18 Episode results for "Jeffersonville"
January 3, 2019: Hour 2
"From NPR and WBZ are Robin young. And I'm Lisa Mullins. It's here and now federal workers across the country are feeling the impact on this thirteenth day of the government shutdown. The vast majority of government employees work outside of Washington. There are some twenty seven thousand incentive Tonio, Texas, nineteen thousand in Kansas City, and several thousand in southern Indiana in the small city of Jeffersonville Indiana, nearly two thousand people work for the census bureau about half of been furloughed. According to the American federation of government employees, local fourteen thirty eight which represents the workers, the president of that union is Victoria, Martin Batory. We understand that earlier today you had to tell more employees that they've been furloughed. How many did he speak with approximately succeed eighty total today just out of two units? What does it mean for them to be furloughed? There's a lot of uncertainty. They're not sure when they will be recalled to perform the work. So they're not going to be. Working at all for for an unknown period of time. Correct. Either until the workload is available and the recalled or until the government reopens completely when the discussions take place, and the workers are told that they're being furloughed. What's what's the reaction been like even today when when you speak to them, it's kind of a, you know, a little bit of shock. They weren't expecting it since they had previously been funded and working everyone's a little worried about their payroll, and and all those things. Well, the payroll is, of course, in issued the government pays people on a scale of GS one two GS fifteen a GS one on the lower side. You have said that the office has workers who are predominantly GS four, which means they make under forty thousand dollars a year. How do they say the shutdown will affect them financially? And for those workers have already been furloughed. How is it affecting them for those who are currently being furloughed or have been furloughed? You know, many of them are seeking unemployment compensation. You know, they're just really uncertain most of our employees don't have a lot of money in savings, and therefore many work, they live paycheck to paycheck. So they are very much concerned. You know, just recently there was one employee that we learned had received a denial from the unemployment office in Indiana. And you know, she obviously was in a an extreme panic, you know, depending on how long the shutdown last. She's unable to get to receive unemployment benefits. Then, you know, of course, her bills won't be paid came put food on the table. And it's heartbreaking and can the union do anything to help. We have a lot of programs and benefits through partners with af g e to lessen the blow in some of the areas, but you know, the unions not in a position to compensate people for their salary of. Front speaking about the census bureau, but I know that the the union represents government offices in other departments, wouldn't what others do you. Do you represent we represent the VA, of course, social security parks and recreation border patrol our ice agents bureau th prisons as well. So you name it we pretty much represent them throughout government, and what's happening in those offices well for the agencies that are funded, you know, it's business as usual for those individuals, but you know, across the agencies that are not funded. You know, we have staff going to work without pay especially our border patrol and ice and our prison staff. They're putting their lives on the line every day. And it is just unbelievable that they have to go to work wondering if they're going to. Be able to pay their bills and support their families as well. Do you know if they'll get paid eventually for this time that is dependent on whether or not congress passes a Bill that grants retroactive pay to federal employees during the shutdown, Victoria. The census comes out every ten years. What happens to the work that for instance, census bureau workers do when there's a shutdown like this? The work POWs up, you know, when we reopen. It will be very chaotic for a little while trying to get the work process. Not only in our agency, but at others as well, can you see since you're there in Jeffersonville? Can you see the ripple effects throughout the community even for people far removed from those who have been furloughed? Oh, absolutely. You know, just going out at lunchtime. You can tell the decrease of traffic on the main thoroughfares and the restaurants are not nearly as full. So definitely the local economy here in Jeffersonville is is suffering. You know with with all of the furloughed employees and those who are not currently furloughed they're watching their spending. They're spending less right now because of the unknown. Well, thank you very much for speaking. With us, Victoria, Martin president of the American federation of government employees. Fourteen thirty eight in Jeffersonville, Indiana. Thanks victory. Thank you. Lisa. Well, now to Philadelphia where you might know the mayor declared gun violence, a public health crisis back in September and gave his cabinet one hundred days to come up with a plan to slow it down. While that deadline is Saturday. And it comes after news that the city's homicide rate hit a ten year high last year as a part of the city's plan Philadelphia's expected to propose investing millions in crisis intervention teams known as violence interrupters. Bobby Allen from member station. WHYY followed a team on the overnight shift as it tried to stop gunfights before they started Sean does reveal had a tough upbringing in Brooklyn. He's got a big scar down the side of his face to prove it. He says he didn't get it by smiling at people as people so much, man. I know how it is to go to see concrete. You know know, how it is to be faced with that situation to make bad decisions. He used to work as a corrections officer the past two decades, he's been in Philly. He now is the executive director of. The city's new office of violence prevention he oversees dozens of crisis intervention teams the violence interrupters. Streets because ready to roll violence. Interrupters have been shown to drop violence in cities, like Los Angeles and New York. The idea is to hire and train former drug dealers and gangsters and have them in bed and trouble neighborhoods to try to broker peace in Philadelphia reveal says these interrupters are also doing something else. Spreading the word about city services. We can't go on communities and not give something right? You can't corner and not give them a job not give some resources we spill into white minivans and head out. Sam white sitting in the seat behind me describes their approach. We don't come into neighborhoods like we carry guns and badges we come in his guests. We come in as as the apartments, and we asked their permission. Hey, fellas. How you doing? What's going on if they will? Engage engage if they're not you don't as they drive around during the wee hours, another group dig sue social media for beefs between neighborhoods, which they say often start with a post on. Degrom or Snapchat. These workers tap into their former networks and try to intimidate tensions coming to ahead. But when there's no social media activity to look into they act as street diplomats. The idea is to go to the site of a crime to try to cool things down. So there's not another retaliatory gunfight. That's what white tells me as we approach a house where there was a recent shooting. This is the scene of it was a double shooting on his block. So we're not really clear on what was going on. So in instances like this because just because at the time we are not going to knock on people's door because it's so late at night. But what we're gonna do is canvas this block and leave literature for the neighbors. Another worker James Shuler approaches. The house where the shooting happened. A woman answered the door holding a baby I watched this interaction from a distance. They tell me to stay behind since the woman nausea as a witness in an ongoing criminal investigation. Schuler walks back to us with Nigeria was the name of the door. So I gave it a literature gave her the whole. Spill give it a car. And yes, she said that she'll get back to us Shuler says he made a connection with the woman she's supposed to give him a heads up. If she feels endangered again. It's one of a long list of cases there now keeping tabs on white says they're building trust in ways. The police might not be able to as we're walking around north Philly after midnight. We find Omar Smith hanging outside a corner store. He's twenty four he has a three year old daughter. He says he was shot six times in the leg last year. I m- shot me was the friend since two thousand eleven so that's the crazy. Like oh. After that. I realized I ain't got no friends none on his family. Smith says he used to sell drugs, but that's an his past the interrupters some who used to sell drugs themselves understand that passed more than a typical city bureaucrat Smith says he recently landed a job as a cleaner at the stadium where the eagles play knob ING out the way doing good. No mom's going right now. No, I'm the youngest. So she checkup. Me all the time white with the crisis team walks over and grabs the phone from Smith. He on his way home news. We pay the Bill. That's right. Mop and cost to eat a bowl. Absolutely. His mom wanted to know where he was a crisis team member in another van gave him a lift home back of the van reveal reflects on the interaction Samsung to the mother, you know, who's concerned about her son. You know, you evolve. What issues is she have? How can we help her life? Because if you don't help the home life, right? Young man is gonna go home when we're gonna go home back to a bad situation. Philadelphia officials say their goal is for the interrupters to help prevent gun violence, just as they connect people with more city services, like GED classes job training and housing help. The hope is with more jobs and opportunity. More people will put down their guns. Sean del reveal admits it's not going to work in every case some people just like the game just like the violence. You know in in is going to be what is going to be for them. It's the people that did that need that second chance they need to have third chance. Yes. People that we aim for for here. Now, I'm Bobby Allen in Philadelphia. A job. Search can be fraught what to wear what to say. But for candidates with neurological differences autism social anxiety disorders. It's often impossible. That's why recent reporting in the Boston Globe got our attention about companies, adding neuro diversity to their recruitment actively seeking people who might not get through traditional job interviews because maybe they don't make eye contact or are nervous and unfamiliar settings. And these companies say, this, isn't charity. It's about getting the best employees. Neil Barnett heads up Microsoft's autism hiring program, and he joins us from Seattle. Neil. That's a thing autism hiring. It is it's one of my favorite topics. There's just a huge under an unemployment rate when it comes to autism close to eighty percent. And there's just a lot of town out there and more and more companies are seeing that. Okay. So you have a title. And there are people who are doing this within Microsoft is a thing. We'll find out more about. That. But also joining us as twenty eight year old Oliver Willcox, he has a master's in applied math from Loyola University in Chicago, he also has ADHD social anxiety, a speech and language disorder. But now, he's a software tester at a tech startup iterative which hires only neuro diverse candidates will learn more about that company. But Oliver I want to congratulate you because you're on something called a reported app. You're recording yourself on your smartphone. And apparently you set it up in a second. And we have people who can never set it up. So this is these are skills you have. But just tell us what was it like when you first tried to go on job interviews, I applied for one hundred jobs in Boston. I applied. I'm companies universities, hospitals, engine situations, and more and all the jobs. I had this goes and passed the assignments and was excited about the company, and the people underestimate of me because I talked differently even there. Had the scouts for the job traffic assumed I was to not missing that. Maybe it was because I tend to pitch it and take some extra time to share my thoughts. Well, for instance, how you nervous right now. I'm just the just a tiny bit. So, you know, maybe you had just a little bit of nervousness that most people have in job interviews or radio interviews, but there were other mannerisms that you say me people misunderstood how frustrating was that for you to know that you know, you had the skills, and we're not getting the jobs. It was very frustrating. I thought that I was not a culture that or appeared very nervous. They tell me down not because of my skills, but because of things like can't change about myself. Let's go back to kneel for a second. Is that something you hear that? There's an impression that comes across in job interviews, and it's almost impossible for people like Oliver to overcome that. I would say the interview process for anyone is a as a challenge experience. But definitely we've seen candidates that are on the autism spectrum express. This thing things that offer had stated whether it's making I contact or just the initial interaction. One of the reasons we created this program at Microsoft is to really think about how we could be more inclusive in heaven interview process that candidates could come be theirselves and really showcase their skills to get employment instead of just basing it on the interview. So what do you do if you think about going through that traditional front door at a company our front doors a little bit different for kennison's program? It's a five day program. And we really bring the candidates and let them get. Comfortable get to know one. Another get to know the hiring teams, we do team exercises kind of like the marshmallow challenge at where you use toothpicks and marshmallows to build a bridge to kind of look at you know, teamwork. We spend time doing practice interviews. And then like anything else, we do typical interviews like we do at Microsoft. But instead of doing it in one day back to back we spread out over two days. So what do people on your staff, and again, you're heading up the autism hiring program at Microsoft is just amazing. What are they looking for? Well, I mean, we're looking for the same things that we look on poise. We're looking for talent we're looking for people that work with one and other. We're looking for people that can really make an impact with the products and services that we're producing. And so the whole goal of the program is just leading candidates have a better way to showcase and shine their skills than just that typical you know, one day and tencent view that many companies do the net wider than people on the autism spectrum because there are people with obsessive compulsive disorder. Orders, you know, social interaction issues. Oliver spoke of those who do you throw it wider? We do broad -clusive hiring for people with disabilities. Microsoft, and so that's everything that you just stated this program in particular is focused on autism. But we're always hiring people with all this abilities at the company talk more about the the work that you're doing now, this is a company iterative. It was actually started by your mom. We understand when she saw this the frustration that young people with some neurological difference, we're having what kind of work do you do there? So I must software tester. I find errors, and and blogs and websites and mobile apps, so companies can fix them and have their products funds moves the job than with a company called hydro, which is looking on a new lawyer machine and test software while going because that's when the air is a car. Well, okay. So you test for bugs and errors and the one that you liked the best. You have to row did you say like, you're rowing rowing machine? But they're not that hard is that hard. What kinds of mistakes have you spotted sometimes the sticks around on the exercise machine or the or the workout end through early or something like that. I'm sure you've heard Oliver that some very often people who have what other people would call neurological issues are actually neurological gifts, and that there are people like yourself who see patterns and spot things that others. Can't is this something that you you're finding and I've been able to see patterns that other people can't throw a long time. Yeah. Neil terrific that you have this autism hiring program. But as I said, I I'm betting it's not, you know, to be kind although that would be a side effect rookie. As a business in the business impact. And again, it's finding talent in. So the spectrum is wide and diverse. And so everyone brings something unique to the table. And we have people that we've hired that are writing code. That's being used by millions of people or they're contributing to the next version of windows or office. And so again, it's for us. It's been a talent play. In fact, are people that you are hiring. They have the education right talk about what some of their professional jobs are degrees are so this goes back to the under an unemployment rate, which is really high around eighty percent. You know, we have individuals with your degrees masters PHD's that are working at retail or packing boxes and they're not utilizing their skills. And you know, this is why a program that can be more inclusive in help you screen in individuals to find the talent is something that both Microsoft and other companies are finding really valuable. Yeah. Many other companies Microsoft SAP Ford, foes, have all seen the benefit in this Oliver feel to you to hear the extent to which people are looking for people like you. Well, it's good to hear that people are realizing that people are not I can have some things that take an offer that companies that other people can't and that would make it easier to get jobs for other people who are not diverse. In fact, people are calling this not a disability, but a cool ability. But what would you say Oliver to someone who says helped me work alongside you? That's just something. I do like I'm sometimes bitch it with things. But it's not because I'm based it's because I just do it sometimes and sometimes look around and see. Might say things. So that's not not because notice and Neil you're doing these job searches for people on the autism spectrum four times a year. What would you say to the employer who's not sure how to start talk a lot to other companies that are thinking about starting programs? And I always talk about the business impact that they will see. And so this is not charity. This is business impact. Whether it's a benefit to culture to the products of services that the produced and so when you frame it up in that frame companies are a lot more open and really trying to understand what it would take to do something similar that fits their own culture. Well, maybe be in touch with other companies that are doing this. Yeah. So we've actually Microsoft we started a coalition it's called autism at work employer. Roundtable there's about fifteen companies in there today and our goals are to help other companies star programs. We also have created a job board on the website. And then we're all trying to obviously. Share best practices amongst ourselves. So there's a lot of momentum in the space, and we're really looking for more companies to join the coalition. It's good for business. You know, what impresses you most about? Your employees skill sets about fifty percent of the people who have come through our program out apply to Microsoft before through that traditional process, and you know, sometimes their resumes, Warren picked up or sometimes the phone screen was was tough, and they didn't get past the phone screen, but we brought him in this more inclusive way through that other front door that different lens of wave of thinking they got in front of hiring managers and hiring managers say while I want you not just on my team XBox? But I want you to have a career at Microsoft, and we're hiring people all across the company Oliver you have a job at the company where you're looking for bugs in software, but what would you say to a future employer? You know, why why should they hire you? So I think that companies should look at people that they're interviewing about if they can do the job. This is looking at their experience about the about their social skills or perceived comfort and interview. And they did that they would have better until he's because people who are not diverse can do some tasks better than traditional imply because the way they see at the world that's all over Wilcox. He has a master's in applied mathematics. He also is neuro diverse. And he's a software tester now. And you'll Barnette runs the autism hiring program at Microsoft in Seattle. We'll hook you up to any information. But meantime, Neil Oliver. Thank you so much for speaking with us. The UP over you should resume if you wanna right down and give you my Email. Okay. We'll let you guys go. Thank you both so much. This message comes from here now sponsor, indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. With indeed posted job in minutes. Set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jobs. New users can try for free when you sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR, podcast, terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. Stocks fell sharply again this morning after the surprising news from apple that it's cutting revenue projections for the first quarter. The first time the company has done. So in sixteen years, and it's blaming slow iphone sales in China and China's slowing economy, which is added to fears that a China slowdown could make the global economy sees up like an old engine, Robin Farzad is host of public radio's podcast. Full disclosure. Apple stock down nearly ten percent since CEO Tim cook. May this announcement yesterday? He said apple had expected headwinds in emerging markets. But nothing this big. And this is big remind us trying to represent nearly twenty percent of apple sales. And it's arguably the most followed company in America. This was that great success story that be ipod. Brought it back, you know, twenty one years ago, it was close to bankruptcy, and it doesn't with like this. It certainly doesn't within the era of the iphone which has been out for eleven years and. China. I mean is a make or break growth market for it. If China's and doing well than other emerging economies aren't doing well, so it's just so rare to Seattle blindsided like, and we know the China's slowing down and the the automakers there in particular General Motors and Ford are seeing their sales in China fall around forty five percent how much of this has to do with President Trump tariffs, and the trade war what to be fair, Robin. I think China is just so centrally planned I mean, whether you're talking about the major banks or the tech players that are so closely supervised by Beijing that it's really hard to know whether to trust those government sanctioned economic indicators versus the observations of multinationals like apple and apple was until recently, the most valued company in the United States, the most highly valued company and investors and traders pay outside attention to what it says, especially when you're talking about a a juggernaut like China. Yeah. We know the China had this construction explosion. They were building apartments in cities, but many. The are sitting empty. So there's that there's that slowdown there. But what Tim cook didn't mention is that China also has the second biggest smartphone maker, which is why away and while ways sales actually rose by thirty three percent from year ago while iphones, obviously or have fallen. So the Chinese are buying smartphones. Just not apples you. No. But I think this cuts both ways there's no doubt that while way is in national champion of China and Beijing really wants it to thrive it's not gonna budget fail, but is the growing Chinese middle class. Are they perhaps wary of paying up for iphones at the margins that that Tim cook an apple and its investors one, especially when you have so many homegrown cheap knockoffs. That are available there. And here's another wrinkle is apple maybe a national champion of China as well, they're millions of Chinese jobs that would be lost if iphone manufacturing just went kaput. And so I'm not so convinced zero sum game. Yeah. We're back to the possibility that this is tariffs are at least they they are playing. A big part in this. What are we busters thinking of about where this could lead? It certainly a headache. In addition to the vagaries of interest rate policy and his our economy slowing down, even if you back I'll try to it was surreal to see the chairman of the White House counsel of economic advisers say it himself today that there are signs that the Chinese economy is slowing sharply multinational firms with profits in China are probably going to see at least part of their profit picture sour a little bit. So you wonder who is better position to whether this spat between China and the United States world economic growth desperately needs the Chinese consumer. But China's government has also veracious buyer of our debt, the United States and other wealthy economies. They benefit from any sort of of drop in bond yields or commodity prices when China get sick rather than five hosted public radio's podcast. Full disclosure. Thank you. My pleasure. Thank you. For more than two years. The United States has not had an ambassador in Australia, a close ally, nor their US ambassador's in places where Washington has more contentious relationships, including Saudi Arabia, Mexico and Turkey. Many diplomats say the record high number of embassador vacancies is damaging American foreign policy. Nicholas Burns of Harvard's Kennedy School of government is a former high level State Department official and ambassador to Greece and to NATO, hyper, fester hollow. If there is no confirmed ambassador in a given country, and there are many countries as we said, we're where there is no US ambassador. How does that hinder if at all US presence there and US clout there will it damages the United States, and it limits what we can do because in most countries of the world. The American ambassador is the one person who can call the prime minister or the defence minister of that country or the king or Queen whatever the system of government is. Is to get something done on behalf of the United States. In a very good example of how we were limited by this absence of embassador overseas was the Jamal kashogi affair back in October November. When he went missing, the United States had no American ambassador in on cry in Turkey, and we did not have an ambassador and still don't have an ambassador in Riyadh in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis wouldn't see any American officials at a high level below the level of embassador. And so we were very much constricted in our ability to communicate with these governments and to be persuasive with them and to be insistent with them on the kashogi affair. So that's a practical example of what happens when it administration like this administration doesn't care to a point embassador on a timely basis. Doesn't care part in just a second. But, but when it comes down to it, it doesn't mean that the United States has lost all presence in particular country because there is a huge network of officials and. People who work for consulates or embassies who are still functioning lower level officials. Yes. But they are still running things just below the surface. I mean, that's that's some consequence. Oh, it definitely is the United States. Foreign service are the people who staff are career men and women staff our embassies in cussedness worldwide. They are first rate they're skilled they're experienced there at all levels, junior officers mid level officers senior officers, and they carry out the work that the American people need them to do. They help American citizens in distress. They negotiate trade agreements, they work with countries, for instance, on counter Tara policies. But in the final analysis, you do want to have that embassador in place because that's the senior woman of the senior man who represents the president and secretary state personally, roughly about seventy percent of our ambassadors are career foreign service officer ambassadors about thirty percents are politically appointed members of the president's political party that hasn't changed very much since the Kennedy administer. Nations. So you have this apparatus in embassies and consulates, but you do need that person at the top and the kashogi fair was dramatic representation of that. What's the on the ground experience for people who work in these embassies or consular offices when there is no embassador? I mean, they they know their jobs. They know what they're doing. What what's the the daily affect? They can get the majority of their work done. But in the crisis in a war situation or conflict resolution or an American citizens been jailed unfairly which has happened this week in Russia where the Russians have taken an American prisoner. I think in retribution for the fact that Maria Boutin a- has been arrested in the United States, and some people believe she might be a Russian spy that has to be determined in court. But in this kind of case, you do need an American ambassador. Luckily, we have an American ambassador a very good embassador embassador, Jon Huntsman in Moscow, he can intervene directly at the highest levels of the Russian government. That's what we did not have in Riyadh in Saudi Arabia in Ankara in Turkey. We don't have an American ambassador in South Africa. We do not have an American embassador in Pakistan, and there are countless countries around the world. Now what we have historically high level of vacancies. And that's because the Trump administration has been so slow in appointing embassador, so in the areas where a you just mentioned many of them where the rules have not been filled. They're they're simply a vacancy the president hasn't nominated anybody. You can't read the president's mind. But does it serve his political purpose at all to leave? These ambassadorships open. I think it's an attention by the president failure to understand the importance of diplomacy. President Trump has never spoken up in support of American diplomacy. In fact, he's tried to cut the State Department budget by thirty one percent over the last two years two years running, and he of all modern presidents in the last half century has appointed the fewest ambassadors. And so I think it does tell you the value to which that he is scribes to embassador. He also has to my knowledge has not appointed a single African American woman, the great majority of his appointees are white men people like me, but not people of color, not women, and at least in the Obama administration when secretary Hillary Clinton was in place secretary, John Kerry, there was a big emphasis as there was when secretary Condie rice was an office to appoint people do point in greater number of women and people of color because we want our ambassadors to look like an represent the entire United States. Not just one. Part of it. We should say through our countries where he has indeed nominated people for embassador ships such as Saudi Arabia and Yemen. But the Senate has not acted on the nomination. And and the president tweeted about this on New Year's Eve, he blamed Democrats for what he called record delays in approving embassador. He wrote heads of countries are calling wanting to know why Senator Schumer is not approving there. Otherwise approved ambassadors. Republicans control the Senate, but how much are Senate Democrats to blame. Here. Why think historically both parties both Democrats and Republicans have tended sometimes to hold these embassador Oriel, and other senior appointments they've they've held the appointments they blocked them until they get what they want on some unrelated issues unrelated Bill, so both parties have been guilty of that. And there's too much of it. And it does stall the appointment of senior officials. So I think it's fair to say that congress should do its part now ambassadors only needed to be confirmed by the Senate by fifty votes. The Republicans still have them. Authority in the US Senate. And so the majority leader Mitch McConnell ought to be able to push these embassador nominations through. But I do think it's fair to say that both political parties need to make a stronger effort to get these embassador positions filled in by the Senate of the United States. We haven't talked at all about some of the international positions ambassadorships to UNESCO and United Nations positions. We do know that President Trump has chosen former Fox News anchor and current State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert to replace Nikki Haley as the next UN ambassador. I wonder if you can tell us what you think her charge should be as UN ambassador, and what you think of the choice. Well, I certainly wish her well we should want our ambassador to succeed. This is going to be a big challenge because the people who are sent to the Security Council to the United Nations by other countries are the very top career diplomats that Russia and China, and France and Germany have. And she's going to have to go toe to toe with the Russians and Chinese every day on the most difficult, sometimes most arcane issues it requires a lot of experience if you think about some of the people we've had in that role. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Jeanne Kirkpatrick had lay Stevenson who ran for president twice. Samantha power. Susan Rice more recently, these are people whose entire careers have been devoted to foreign and defense policy. Their experts Heather new art, whom I do not know. But I have a lot of respect for hasn't had that type of experience. So it's going to be a steep learning curve. She will be assisted by the career foreign service officers on her staff, and that'll be a great advantage to her. And I assume it she'll be looking to them for advice as well one. Final question on this. The the number of ambassadorships in general that are open is so surprising. But is it alarming to me? It's alarming, but I'm. Highly subjective. I'm a former career foreign service officer the United States is still a by a long margin the most powerful country in the world. But we say what we do where we are where we involve ourselves is central to the fate of the rest of the world. And so we need these investors in place, we need them to be working every day. And I think it is just a travesty that the Trump administration has been so slow two years now in appointing people to these offices, and I think it does tell us a lot about how President Trump seized diplomacy. He doesn't value it. He doesn't practice it very carefully himself and increasingly the United States, and our military leaders will be the first to tell you this. We can't fight everybody around the world we have to be very spare and conservative about the use of military force. We've got to depend more on diplomacy are embassador. Our frontline people. We need them in place around the world with a Senate children some of the blame as well. That's right, Nick. Earns professor of diplomacy at the hurried Kennedy School of government. Thank you very much. Thank you. Lisa. This week. We've been looking at new laws in the new year physician assisted suicide is now legal in Hawaii. Former felons can vote in Florida in Ohio kids will be required to learn cursive script by the NFL fifth grade. They probably only no texting. And today there is a new law in Vermont. It's called the remote worker grant program. But the headlines are screaming Vermont will pay you ten thousand dollars to move there. And my Vermont cousins have been screaming at me tell people that's not exactly true. Let's do that Joan Goldstein is Commissioner of the Remond department of economic development. She's been spearheading this program. I Commissioner Goldstein. Hello. And the headlines are not true. Are they telling no? It's added to significant amount of hype. But it is a grant program. So it's it's got some element of truth in there. And it is a great program. We spoke to you when you're governor Phil Scott signed this Bill back in June. So tell us what is the remote worker grant program? How does it work? Great. So if you work remotely for an employer that's located outside of the state of Vermont for Mont will help defray the expenses of relocating to the state as well as any hardware and software expenses you need to do your job. And if you have interest in joining up with a co working space, it would help defray the expense of rent. So that's where the ten thousand dollars comes in a five thousand dollars per year over two years to defray as you say those costs, and what's key? Is you cannot work for a company within the state, correct? What is it that you're trying to do? Well, we want to ease the transition when people. Think about relocating. There are so many elements to that not just relocating their home. But also then having to find a job. So this idea would be that they could move to the state but keep their current job. And the the idea is that we need more people in the state and on some people as a result of all of the press are interested in working for an employer in the state. So it's got ancillary benefits as well as the intention of getting remote workers into the state. And one of the reasons why we understand is that the median age in Vermont has risen by ten years. It's forty two point seven over the country. It's thirty seven point eight. So you're workforces aging. Yes, we are an older state for sure, and we just were looking at some of the in-state moving statistics. And it turns out the people who are moving to the state are older. And so we do want to attract actually went to attract all kinds, we're not necessary. Early thinking about just one type of age I moved to the state when I was middle aged. So we definitely welcoming to all ages people like my cousins who are have mixed feelings about this. You know, everybody. Everybody wants there to be new revenue new tax base. But Vermont are very covetous of their space. You know, they don't want it to get too crowded there. But in the meantime, talk more about how this program works. Winston is enough money in this first year for about twenty five people of all those people need ten thousand dollars over two years to relocate if they don't he'll take more people. Have you had applicants we already have applicants? I mean. It just went live January first, and yeah, there's been tremendous activity already the website has received about ten thousand hits on that page alone. So we do, and we're getting inquiries that are legitimate inquiries. Not just oh, pay me ten thousand. So so we are we're quite enthused. But how do you decide? So basically first-come-first-served CNN somebody fills out a complete application the application will require a verification from the employer that this person is indeed an employee working remotely for them. They will need proof of residency in Vermont. So as soon as we get a fully complete application will be able to issue a grant agreement. Look who doesn't love Vermont is is a beautiful green state. So we're sure you have applicants, but other rural states Wyoming's won the Dakotas have tried strategies. Like, these there have been mixed results. You seem to be having a success. Are you all concerned about the other thinking that many Vermont is have they wanna keep it Vermont? And you know, there's a derisive word about I think New Yorkers it is who come up to Vermont the flatliners. Guilty as charged d do you do people worry about that? Losing that flavor of Vermont? Well, I think I would hear that more several years ago than what I hear now. And that's because over the period of the last decade population has been flat to decreasing so I don't hear that fear of overpopulation as much as I hear the fear of. Oh my goodness. You know, what if we don't get enough people to take the jobs that are available? What if we don't have enough students in our schools? So I think that has won a bit. I mean, obviously, there are definitely people who don't want any change and don't really want to see crowds. You know, I myself when I drive into Burlington sometimes is a traffic jam just like, whoa. You know, how could this be? But you know, I think that the sentiment has swung. Where people are knowledge that we we need youth, and we need more people Joan Goldstein Commissioner of the department of economic development. Thank you. Thank you. In here now is protection of NPR in WVU aren't association with the BBC World Service. I'm Robin young. And I'm Lisa Mullins. It's here now.
Episode 65 | Protein Power Bowl
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Yeah, you're to spend you know spend two hundred dollars on a date somebody that you probably WanNa fucking deal with man. You know what I'm saying you go head, and and and and let one out first before the date and then see how you feel about the date and you. Can Coffee Shop like you should? Never be mummy before what never be Jimmy before a day. For One and what? Why not! Why for stimulus should. Convinced. You can't be you. Know think about it like you ain't never. You never thought about light like. Damn. I don't this person. I. You can't tell you would have heavy. You're not about to be able to tell if you like a grill, not genuinely. Empty boss you blade now. or She's Kinda cool. Heavy BALZAC arming I can deal with the beard I love. Not, it's not. would. Come now sitting across nobody nowhere the attractive. You won't. Go. It. Issue scares me folk with that I. State I got another word of the day for night early this week. Now no now early. Just get you some time to think right. In kind? The word of the day this week is. Daiva Gate. Okay the definition of Daiva Gate is. To Wander or stray from a course or subject. I Yeah! The question is. How do you? How would you quit your job? Maseko podcast blew up. Whatever side GIG got blew up. You should know blew up. Easy six figures a day for the past seven days. I'll Fuck I. don't even John Awo. On what the fuck is going on. You put in you two weeks. Notice in the using the word Daiva Gate and you notice okay. I, we'll come back to that later. I. Why are you laughing? So, funny were sounds like. So like three words. Three words. Dive a diver gate. By I see okay. I got you I got you. I man. How you feel about being a little small mind. Bother me. What! I didn't expect you to say it. through I that they have to take the other side of this. But of the meals macho shoot. No don't put dummy rubbing up. KISS MY ASS! No matter your leg up on me. I like I like little sponsor. Fiscal touch is of my love Brussels I like could. 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You should on ISLA four no. See I can beyond it but her. Dan You cut. You can cut off for eight hours. You know I can't do it. Until you fall asleep now, get the fuck off me and let me go here and sleep. My Damn Self sometimes I get completely out the bag. Go sleep somewhere else. Now I was working with a, we would shoot. Breath! You better here role. Show I don't do it. Okay! Now I'm just saying like. Yeah. No I can't do I can't do. Her love name was the physical touch too, so she's like being up on me. Okay Sleeper from sleeping on be waking waking up shift. Eighty balls shit, I, don't we both be like okay? My hip starting hurt. Okay, my lay, falsely okay. My arm fall asleep and it was burns you. Normally, Say Normally, but you know how. Should be going to sleep man that experience. Her. S Love Right, there your arm don't fall asleep for eight hours under a big ASS, lollipop head, but it's probably just word I. Don't know I guess. Position Shittu. uh-huh! But now. 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They, clearly every nigger! I mean no I in a relationship. Do Shit and I had no interest in doing, but I had to. You had to do it. S, a requirement. I mean even even the out even know how he would have of the like surprised gifts and shit. Is You know what I'm saying? Like you, send some flowers to a job and shit like that like. You Ain't doing because you want to. Look at the price of the flowers. It'd be like God Dale Actually got. Work. Probably Fifty fifty, fifty fifty you. To issue for the girl and somebody, don't give up. The same? Sometimes sometimes. Not Number One likes doing shit from his girl. Sometimes he don't. But needs work themselves into A. You Work Yourself Into A. Maybe a habit or something to wear like now. This is the standard is what she expects of you. spoke the you gotta spend money yeah. Madness not just money like. The cuddling shit like black stuff to that's expected. 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You come in the House on so good night. Home. Only. Six. So what I'm saying is like when you work yourself into when you yourself, too a A. Habit of something that you gotTa do. Now if you now if I miss a day, like Oh fuck. Running late for work I gotTA. Run out the house. Not Ain't given. Okay this, you know. I get a text is this is really happened before I? Get a text from a like. In the middle of the day. It'd be like my whole days has been off because you didn't kiss me before you left for work. Like. The whole days fucked up for her from. You. Know what I'm saying. This is how women Beato. Jesus Christ little spohn. I'm just saying like Roy Lewis. Shit like I. Really Be fucking. Do you think about it like? Why didn't he do today? He always does he like. Is He with somebody? Not Interested in me like shit like I've just saying that to combat the you know. The. Spending money thing. It's not just been in money. But I was speaking for a person Receiving gifts trying to save you. That's all. Men You don't WanNa be saved. Yeah, we got A. New Segment. Came across the sub it on ready. Family. Where did you come across? Grit. Came across the celebrated confessions. Funnier should her man. So, we. We. Know. We're going to get into a new segment. So the good. The title of this segment is. Also confession. Can. I, so this guy who? He's confession was I run a fake rush. Like with the bird today I run a fake rush on a delivery. Registered a company. But all the takeaway boxers from Amazon signed up for a few delivery APPs. Made a few social media accounts imprinted leafless drop. Mailboxes are resell microwave meals. On some meals I add something to make them look better like cheese. So far. Is it around? Two Hundred Zero Day in revenue. Nobody suspects a thing. Soon someone will come for hygiene EXP-. A for housing especially, but pass that check without any problems is not illegal to operate out of your own kitchen. Should I feel bad I feel kind of proud to be fair. And free as a bird from nine to five life. Date is do is taking. He's going to the grocery store. And buying fucking hungry man's. fucking. Reselling these bitches own delivery APPs in the UK and he's making a fucking kill. Dues make making seventy five eighty k. a year. He says somewhere his in a response to somebody. But yet s crazy. Angie to me, ladies. I this went really funny lie. But she's just genius. Don't came across. Shit and I sent it to and I was like Nigga. What the fuck this? This is genius. Now you saying that you somebody that resell microwave meals added kitchen funny. Marie calendar's on post. Big Guy got great reviews, they say. He was fired. By your way bills. Football fucker you get into some Alfredo I. Say Code in the Middle. That is crazy. That is crazy being thing about. Supplying cancer to pay DONEGAN's. Supplying Cancel Reno citing microwave negative the waves. Qaiser yeah. Big Cancer going. I didn't think about that. He's Zapping the fuck out there. 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He was able to wear the suit. You know you talk Harry come home. Let me build it up got. Confused as far as Sitting around with ankle ankle injury whatever it was, you know, but able to wear the the tracksuit and still pull out a white women you know. Dan Wants to wants time was finally. was his time finally came for him to? Be Place in his life where he can afford to have a yacht. He filled the yacht with flat booty. White women. Flatter than Earth. and. then. Now present day. He feels that. It's. Not Time to. Play basketball right now. It's time to. To do some social justice reform. So He. Puts the basketball down pushed away, girls aside. You stand on the front lines with his people. Yes, Ladies and gentlemen I'm talking about Kyrie Irving. On rideau thing but I said they said they kind of ran with a headline from Russia no well. And from what I've seen. I didn't read it, but I've seen other people saying talking about it Lewis. He was just saying that he wants. EVERYBODY UNIFIES NECAS WANNA play. He's cool with that I don't WanNa play school tattoos like he won't be all on one page unified as one, but when I first before like. I seen somebody actually talking about. Other quotes article. Hosein odd, isn't it? You're saying because this needed to be a first round exit. God. There's I felt I. Mean Katie Ain't back it I'm just saying if he was going to. I don't know, I? Mean I feel like if he was going to be. In the playoffs, and then another that never carries speak about anything social justice ever before it is. And like you say only mess. Why girls so yeah? I didn't know he was now for the cars. Yeah, I'm never flute for him to. Remedy a quote from dunes sly okay I understand the broncos, saying anyway I would definitely home away from me, but. You Ain't done shit. You only say you'll talk about nothing, but the earth being fled. He's talking now Karis career. You know he he's got a black square. Would a very long. You know he's caught. Call, of Action! For people call leaders change. You can trust that. Flat. He walked away from the bond. To two reasons why trusting? Endings you makes horrible decisions. Try Be. Awesome Koby Shit now. He Got Katie on his team. Another negative better than him. He got away from Lebron because he wanted to found the team. Now you go get Katie. silly. Yeah Yeah. I don't know but but. About what he's saying. Because I want the NBA to come back. South Lake. Come definitely. But at the same time like negative fucking, what do you think the majority of the League is black? And then they got? What do you think the fan base has nude? Is Black as well. What's going on right now? We wouldn't. Mona get away from ED detached for a second and enjoy basketball. You like. Bring some happiness to Negus as looked at it as you know, it's like the same thing when people say oh. This is only a distraction to keep you from looking at the real issues I won't basketball to be that, but definitely seem like the type of negative I would say this. was what. Twenty four hours a day, a basketball games hour and a half. It's not a distraction of nothing. No, it's not. If you won't protests you going to do all that and then you got. Seventeen thousand a day to do this shit. But if you want to, you can detach from that for two hours. If I can watch basketball game. Yeah, yeah, I don't see too I, don't I? Don't see the I. Don't see how. And why it's coming out, saying he stands with. But. They said to lack of players Kobe. And I feel like i. kind of feel like White was one of them. Yeah. He was I mean his statement made it sound like it's Kobe and the racial ship, so I feel like each by scarier because he had it. And I did that, but let legs do what they WANNA do Berbie. At the same time also came out and said that is cool for career to be saying. He's saying, but he's like negative. You make a hundred million dollars hundred seven million dollar contract. He's like what about these other niggers on the bench, Guy who only paid a million in shit ain't guaranteed in. Ain't got the money like you do so. This is what they. Already, he's. He's blew out. He's Boulez mad at Oh. Okay I'm just saying he was. Okay but I'm saying this big inning. It is. And Yeah. That's that is other they what is supposed to be like forty percent of the players in NBA. Won't receive salary. Mba decided not come back or something like that some crazy. They said it would also took money in the future forever for the entire League so. Yeah. Yes I. Just I don't WanNA play negatives. Don't play. Yeah, you already got somebody burn. Just hurt like you coming back like you. They said he was out for the season the. Kept going now, 'cause it's a break. You can come back and now you. WanNa. Play it now on top of that. You always hurt, so you ask my out there and play? Get hurting in. For no reason. Just fucking, don't play. Maybe I'M NOT GONNA. Do Shit, and that's the thing. That they're not forcing anybody to play. If you WANNA play. You can play if you don't for if it's between you and your team as far as working that out, but you don't have to play. At, the end of the day to NBA is still a corporation business. She got a Golden Brown. She's having an in world, but he's gotTA. Keep going, she got. Through and yeah, yeah, it's like this. Don't win on like on went on through wars and shit like a business round like. Scott Families Defeat. People are willing to make millions of dollars. Okay, Bro, that steel, so they make millions of dollars, so they lifestyle is. Different than us. Yeah, and that's not say mortgages and Shit is not the. Class mortgage mortgage, the fucking a million dollars on mortgage that fit they lifestyle. Yeah, they got. There's there's somebody was talking about. I can't remember who that was talking about. How these? He's second and third year players Ain't where they were. You'd think they. Are you know in life as far as you know, this type shared goals. They're not living comfortably because of a break. They missing out on money because out on money. You know they. Kind of struggle just like the you know. Regular everyday citizen got thank you. Magus, sixty players get drafted beer. Sixty nine magazine s not sixty Lebron, James. And even on the rookie deal like is. A tiered or whatever so only certain people make certain certain amounts of money so far that you get down into draft the lot less money making in the first round. Pick right right ours. I, top five pick would have yeah, those I think i. Used broad. They don't make. With the MAX deals. They don't even make maybe ninety sniffing at like I'm talking about these rookies as they come in. Five million season, but then you got an desire making thirty five million season. It's not even close right within five meal. Seven meal is for the Upper Tier. Negus I'm not sure how it changed back when it was, the lottery was the first fourteen peaks. I. Think now the whole first round. I think now the whole first round is guaranteed contract. Previously, it was the first fourteen picks was guaranteed contract. But even still after that fifteenth pick the contracts. It's not. These these guys who? You know these rich guys. Those those after fifteen picks aren't living. The same kind of lifestyle as the first fourteen. You know what I'm saying unless they work themselves into You know some kind of star role on a team. So yeah I don't know man I. I. I would love the NBA to come back. I would hope that the NBA comeback whitten distract people from the real life issues that we have to face every day and she will bring. Players would allow either especially Lebron Alley. Brief still shirt. Oh, he going to be doing all. Yeah, yeah. And Mellow like you got Nigga. Really speak up I'll shit. Yeah, how? I. Don't stay job who? Want to go to work. Just like his worker from home I go back to the office. Yeah, so same shit. They. Just make a lot more money, yeah! Yeah I'm afraid that we sound ignorant on this though. Or Insensitive I. Just don't think I personally to avoid it I don't think that there's a I don't think that. It's a possibility to not be able to balance you know. Entertainment like you know watching a basketball game, and and still being aware of social issues. Going on I don't feel like there's I feel. For. Different than. The NBA or a TV series is home weekly illegal. Let looking looking looking forward to I. Don't see a difference right so if I mean. You got you got. Football is getting ready for practice NFL like they're not stopping none of their. Business. Is Money involving unless you spending every hour of your day? You know fighting social injustices then. You'll ask. You like Stephen Jag. He's MBA plan. He was saying no time for no NBA. I saw that yeah. Yeah, but at the same time you know what I'm saying Joyce lawyer was his man, but if he was playing with, he's still feel like. We don't know no. He don't either because he's long retire. He's thank Steven Jack's Mia Forty Eight. Yeah, so. Yeah he's HE'S A. Man's I will say this man's. He probably would. Because this is master. He's riding four right now, and it's Kinda of is not went from his man's to Brianna and everybody else is a huge. Dining onto our focus. Even he probably would. He probably if he was active in the play any one forty five. Let's say he was thirty one and thirty two. He'll probably be on the same shit. It's a it's a huge deal and should, and there shouldn't be any way to get into. The shouldn't be anything that gets into the way it. What's going on? Get into the way of the voices of speaking or the movement is being made. That should not happen. So would that like I? Guess we're I'm trying to say is I with that. Being said like if. Basketball gets in the way of that for somebody. WHO's you know speaking out against it for people speaking out against or whatever I mean, that's probably it's more issued to the people. That speaking out this allowance something to get in the way that you know what I'm saying. I mean the we gotta look at it. I mean the the coverage has gone down. The protests and stuff have they have not stopped. You don't see as much coverage as you did two three weeks ago. Though you know, they should the media, then they don't die down. Do because everything's is for the most part from what Irish peaceful is not no rided and all that shit so. So, we'll probably try you know what I'm saying. It's not. Newsworthy yeah to peaceful protests. They won't. They won't to bash. Want the they want the guts and Gore. But at. The same time, and even the people who who's. You know not for the NBA coming back and all this other shit. They don't have to watch. They can still keep their same agenda. They just don't have to watch the NBA don't. They can just not care about it and not watch it. Yeah, the like I said he's people gotta go gotTA. Go to work in. The League is more than just Lebron and in Katie's in Cairo all these niggers with these. Big contracts like it's no Nigga this Kinda. NIGGA as low into every rosters made a fifteen players, and how they talking about expanding it to seventeen. Just because? I mean I mean would probably be smart. Really because you've got an really set else, you'd probably have to go sign jr and. Hopefully the Lakers Brian. Back, cousins. Like I mean we have people out there especially black people. May We enjoy the Lee? And you know some people will just wanted detached from for Shit. Yeah. So. Yeah I! Don't think just just for a few hours, not not. Definitely going to lose sight of what's going on, but yeah just four few hours, man Shit positions heavy burnt. My posting shit looking at this shit all day. It is heavy. Toll on like it takes a toll on you mentally whereas you down, you know. If me like I should have been. Is it stressed me to fuck? Yeah I'm having anxiety like a motherfucker before. Being black period is heavy. Yeah, yeah, but anybody who worked in corporate America. And you bled niggers heavy like you got to. Be Working to you hold different person. I'm a whole different person to work from. Everybody personally is yeah. I can't be at work, saying nigger. Santa can't be me at work like a no black person themselves work. Some Emmy between you see on social media and people posting shit all the time and then. is leaking out and go back to work tomorrow. Is Monday and go back to? Being a character, yeah, like being somebody you. You know you can be yourself at work and then for women if they themselves were made a mad black woman. We just you know what I'm saying. They view us as. Yeah, yeah, so it's like. Yeah, we just we can't be so. Like I say we get on social media. We see all day long like Yeah Brad Detachment Watch NBA. Watch your favorite favorite player whatever? Wrong with. Few Hours. Okay. MIC DROP The mic back up, man. After you MIC DRP because. Let me. Let me say tuber. Does not outside of Corporate America. You don't work in corporate America home. This. Non Hussein. Saying period any black person. You really can't be nowhere you were. You were. You, stock ashamed, Walmart, whatever burnt like. I stat sheet at Walmart. Wherever you work a and you black unless you win. Papa's can't be yourself. Oh. Baby got. I. So yes, all I wanted I just wanted to know I. WANNA leave nobody out. Because it's yeah, man, it's all people is all black people in the workforce. Go ahead, but my speaking of the workforce. St. Force. Train. Davos Gate. Two weeks notice to your job man, using the word Davick Gate, which means to wander or stray from a course or subject. It's pretty easy for this week me. Mind subvert too by the way so you can navigate from something. Steve has just I'm thanking turn. Turn side business into a million dollar corporation. You know he's He. Shouldn't you know you know Blue Collar America? and. Now. He can tell his boss. Up Yours I'm out of here. Is Diver Gate is with a e No. Doubt is like bathgate. Dav Aga T ALCON? Davick Gate. To Wander or stray from. Or Digress. Yeah! Oh. Yeah. So I am. Advocating gating no navigate. It would. Version need navigate. Say say gate it. Same word. The same you. Navigate. Twice Star Labrador. The Talk I give myself. Snooze laughing. Oh. You said this is a resignation. Yeah, you leaving. Advocating from the company, but I can't say delegating. Just. Let you all know. The fuck birth, I can't say. It's hard case eighteen gazillion. I'm talking to. Yeah Sam getting from. From From the company. That's how you put your new two weeks. Notice and I would like to thank you for the opportunity that you've given me for the past two years I've learned so much. ING have grown with the team and I look at the team as a family. To. You know. That I I knew opportunity has arisen from me and it's going to be great for me and my family and my personal life. So within the next two weeks. I would advocate from the company. I will be devastating. Sounds way better than this shit. I really odd. Jobs you quit making. Initially perfect. I ain't never had shit why you telling me I'm thanking like what I say I'm you find your lady to sit down to help me right? I just go this. Ain't really friends, Hey! Amass planning I'm going to Johnny. Bad if I don't ever quit, my job is to find me a fine young lady Negga. Obviously would be able to help you if you. I like getting help from women were okay my bag I do. Okay believe it, but yeah man I I've actually I've never I've only I've worked at one Josh thinks and I can't believe. Called, it I worked at one job for ten years. and. I had actually got a job. opportunity somewhere else in the middle of my two year span is like crazy opportunity as the pay me like sits on my money and shit like that, so I actually typed up a razor nation. Letter. And my emails like save the to the draft and went to go talk to the managers to put my two weeks. Notice in way. They they they matched us you so I, didn't go nowhere, so I didn't have to use it so actually. I've never put in a two weeks. Notice anywhere. But you know this off the fly. I used to write stuff. was kind of what idea man is is like you know. So yeah. The guy was off the top that was that was probably trashed for RU. But anyway but a beyond so I wrote. An open letter took attorney general. Colin charged brought against Taylor beyond say, Oh man. To do something. Beyond say wrote a letter Oh, man. Yeah, it's crazy like vein. Don't Shit. Don't plan on doing shit like. It's crazy. How at US like I? Don't even know if you could say they at a standstill. They just Nigel. But can they do? Some are to be ahead of control the. Investigation going on and was set going around saying that the case has been reopened. As far as like LAPD, whatever the it was never closed. They just not doing anything they do need somebody to come in step in and do the shit form because I mean. The. Cops with there being a gang. They live by saying fucking code. On each other. I don't understand why so heart is not as easy like the story. Delight you, these niggers like. The fucking police reports blank a whole bunch of bullshit. And that's why I'm saying I can't comment on social media everyday. and. I see all this shit and issues. Lightning I'm not trying to see this shit all day bro. Yeah man is, it's tough. It's tough. I'm glad like then do some some other go. Q. Men in Atlanta I. Think Yeah, shot him his back. What the fuck man. Yeah. Because she's don't worry. Joe. Biden will fix. We ain't had we had a conversation with the Mike Zone? I blew trump. Calling, as BLUE TRUMP TRUMP BABY! McClintock decided. We are out of here all right, okay? Okay, all right. Okay, okay. All, oh no I has been kinda hard. Right, as always, make sure you follow the podcast on new, isn't it'd be looking at me now? What's? Phone. Don't you think about the res Megan Scheme and Say I thought you thought you was about the recent. Phone, he's all right, and you put the topics real quick. Okay? Okay, you don't. You don't think do all the time. I mean you had been. Listening this came with with a written statement this week. Come through with the written conclusion Nagai Avocado the written clues. There'll be fired. As always basically you follow podcast page, do flow cares on. INSTAGRAM. New Pie flow underscore part on twitter. Make sure you subscribe on I tunes. spotify! We're everywhere. Every list Alabama is named. Make sure that you tell a friend to. 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Oh two two four four one seven seven seven or toll-free for most anywhere eight seven seven to nine one eight two five five and right now we welcome Peter Burke. They told how goes it goes well. What a beautiful day. Hey we're lucky today. We have <hes> with us. John Hayden who <hes> with his wife Nancy wrote farming on the wild side excellent right right and <hes> they have a farm over in Jefferson bill and a they wrote this book <hes> about bad experience on the farm so it should be quite fascinating. <hes> the hidden is have been the owners of the farm between Jeffersonville since nineteen ninety two. They were awarded the get this. This is a long one. They were awarded the North American pollinator protection campaigns two thousand eighteen. US Farm Ranchers Award for their pollinator constipation work. Wow that's pretty cool. I can hear all the bees along aww John are you there. I'm here no well that that is something now. How did you become the North North American pollinator protection campaign winner <hes> somebody <hes> put our name we didn't we. I didn't campaign for no conservationist must've been pretty impressed pretty fast and <hes> so this is all part of your farm system. This isn't something that you're doing just specifically to attract pollinators. No I mean we love pollinator conservation and love the palm either so there any transit beauty and functioning that they are an integral part of our ecosystems uh-huh button for us. The bottom is important where where commercial farmers how we make our living so pollinators as our partners they <hes> yeah pretty much everything starts out of the flower and we need the insect pollinators visiting that flower to create our fruit which we then sell so get great. They treat them as such. That's great. I like that so. Let me ask you the farm between where's that. What does that mean. What does that from Tom. What time well that comes where located between the beautiful little relatives of Cambridge and Jeffersonville route fifty right mccafe between the two so that's how came up with the name twenty seven years ago the firm between Cambridge and Jeffersonville. That's great. I love it <hes> <hes> so there is a <hes> <hes> a lot of information about you guys. You certainly have been busy. That's for sure now so you your wife is a writer a farmer an artist former environmental engineer professor she has a degree in biology ecology environmental engineering English studio art and creative writing she was awarded a Vermont Arts Council Council Creation Grant to work on this book and has published numerous articles on food and farming so and and for yourself. It says he's here that you've been working on design in imputation of agricultural systems with positive environmental and social outcomes from over thirty thirty five years in a researcher as a researcher Extension Asian Agent University Educator International Consultant and practicing using regenerative or organic farming. That's a mouthful for sure a lot of atrophy. Eh Woman and I definitely married up okay one word in their sticks out to me and and the piques my curiosity the word regenerative what what is the philosophy or the idea of and I think you mentioned at some point point that it was based on full philosophical and scientific principles. What is that. How does that relate to regenerative so it's it can be considered kind of a buzzword word now with <hes> with agriculture it used to be sustainable agriculture? Yep realize is sustainable means keeping things things going on and on the status quo we've got to this point where we need to be healing things and making things better we can't keep on with the status quo and that's where the regenerative live agriculture comes in so I see it has more goals than <hes> you know making a living off the land and extracting resources. It's about all these how they're <hes> services that are going on like sequestering carbon by having a lot of Danny matter as a as a sponge in the soil creating biodiversity okay so then we have great habitat for pollinators and beneficial insects and the birds and all the other <hes> inhabitants we share this planet went sort of water. aww Yeah cleaning the water before it also making a living so it's a nutshell. That's that's a lot. That's a lot that's a lot of sort of like treating mother's like she was. Your mother right yeah oddly enough well-named so <hes> you have <hes> let's see you still you do make a living from your farm and from what I read is a lot of it is in growing fruits and perennial plants. <hes> what kind of fruits do you grow growing well so yeah you know we started out actually as an livestock so the book is about <hes> how we've evolved over the years and how our philosophies after fees and practices have changed so recital livestock a man we <hes> and that was great. We didn't have been intensive grazing mixed livestock doc everything from a fifty flock of sheep we had thousand on pasture raising piglets and heifers rabbits it can be very effective and they moved into vegetables with a lifetime integrated and for the past ten years or so we've been focusing on <hes> perennial fruit so we grow about thirty different kinds of fruit which is another strategy for us to be <hes> stable and resilient and I and I have to confess confess that that that was about <hes> twenty more fruits than I was familiar with. I I read I read the chapter on uncommon berries and uncommon fruits. It's and it's quite impressive. There's a lot there that <hes> well. I wouldn't even thought to grow yeah well. We're finding <hes> we we plan about ten years ago really some of these unusual berries like. Ho- backgrounds who've been going for about fifteen years but we also been throwing things like Romania <hes> and <hes> gooseberries held a berries and we're finding a great <hes> market with all the beverage entrepreneurs here and a lot of certainly have plenty of those don't we fighter makers and beer makers and wineries and soda makers and we got a lot of small businesses that are making jams and jellies. Oh uh-huh they're always looking for something new and interesting and <hes> you know they have all these great organic fruit for them to to play around with. We love supporting other small businesses because it's really been fun to get people to try new things we just <hes> we just picked <hes> a hundred and fifty pounds. Rohingya and we put with that. I'm going to <hes> zero gravity <hes> brewing and Burger Shack very cider to okay all right all right. Let's get some free. Oh that's a nice bonus. I'm sure so let me take one step back and you've rented this twice. <hes> Romania Dole Hubbub Jews at no no uh-huh okay. We're both at a loss. What is our own. y'All eighty. That's that's the next big thing. I'm really. It was <hes> it. It's a common name around here but it's also the genus scientific. Latin name is a Rohingya carpet with <hes>. We also called black chokeberry. Oh okay that's a native plant or growth here in Vermont and other places in the northeast it tends to like wetter heavier heavier soils. That's why you see it growing in nature and it has the highest accident than anything that we can grow it just blows Rozina blueberries and cranberries and all those other true water in terms of how much <hes> well. It's a little rugged not bad. It's called trump. Kerry reason because it's got a lot of Annan's in it okay and like okay I remember number. I Remember <hes> Choke Cherries quite well from from when I was a kid because we look at those berries and think oh boy and grab a handful of them and just it's about choke yeah. They're similar like they're very stringent but this it's a beautiful purple color landed ended with <hes> other things we like the brand blended twenty percent lerone do with eighty percent apple cider how mix and good mouth feel deal and get all the other <hes> you know the other <hes> benefits of antioxidants so so we actually it's really up and coming we sal we'll have fruit nursery also so we sell fruit trees and Berry Bushes in pioneer conservation plans and <hes> they only say that really been picking up over the last year or so oh homeowner. They're catching on so well. Yes you guys up to speed there all right good good something to look forward to for sure and I thought the most gorgeous plant the green glossy leaves during a irons red in the fall and all these really dark dairies hanging. It's the stunning plant so it's a little like the Wild Cherries we see around has that real dark green glossy leaf on huckle so an and a and <hes>. Do you really <hes> grow <hes> Kiwis as well. We've tried wrong. TV's not successfully so they saw them wrong they grow but we'd never got them to flowers so we got out so what's another one. That's that of your uncommon berries that you know well. I think one of them are larger. Plantings are black currants. Yeah okay go all out of <hes> we go back and those Boyden Valley winery <hes> <hes> battling just down the road from us. Let me I started about fifteen years ago so they were interested so we've been collaborating with them and they take most of our crap also well also some of the love out to other. Are you still doing hey doing their farmers markets then with the fruits and so that was something when we done in the past Lincoln logging maybe some people who are listening remember the snow cones we used to do we make <hes> saw the blacker. Rohingya Maple Apple and raspberry and and then <hes> for these tips over shaved ice. We don't handle sounds great. Maybe higher on organic snow cone onto those are quite popular but we only getting up there in age so we <hes> we started sloughing off a few things. I'm trying to get the smallest possible until the living doing this so we did stop doing the farmer's market. <hes> last year was our burst. You're not doing it <hes> <hes> yeah. I'm sure he missed it to me. Dematteo mattamy getting all that stuff down ended up that part. Everyone takes a little energy when people back here at home. You know that's a young person's game so <hes> so now you're pretty much focusing on the nursery and growing fruit in in in selling that sort of wholesale in a sense. I suppose sales are also <hes> <hes> and the nursery well we also we'd make a few products accent. We sell in the Spring Open. <hes> no I was. I was fascinated about one one of the things you mentioned. What about the uncommon fruits in that chapter is how you went from growing cherry tomatoes in your in your large hoop houses to growing growing raspberries in them and <hes>. I found that a fascinating I I had never heard of <hes> growing bramble fruits in in the hoopoe slick that yeah we <hes> we found that well you know tomatoes. Were really good thing to grow. We did that for about twenty years and that paid for the HOOPLA those little more so we had a little leeway to experiments so we tried these <hes> the fall raspberries which are the ones that they're on the first year. Dan Yeah I do phenomenally and the greenhouse <hes> so <hes> we can we can keep the with the plastic shell over then we can keep the rain off until I'm telling you don't get moldy. Keep the birds could kits birds out thing we can roll down the sides of the WHO. Have we have a <music> early frost you a couple of weeks. We certainly have a frost we can roll decide to protect them because they're continuously flowery how about the fruit flies bearing <hes> so and so he can protect them from the frost and then <hes> yeah we do <hes> the fruit flies spot that'll totally new pests that's causing all kinds of headaches yep in Vermont now and they do enjoy raspberries and that <hes> keeping a dry environment they like a moist environment uh-huh greenhouse dry and we put <hes> landscape fabric on underneath the planet's so <hes> also keeps it warm and dry. They're they're not as prevalent an awful Nancy picking machine. She's out there should take every day make sure that <hes> none of the berries as a Har- hanging around and being targeted by the by the five they go after ripe fruits yeah like right overripe and you're just GonNa get into an outbreak all you have to you have to pick them very closely. <hes> so do what what about the currency you said you did black currants black pants and red currents and gooseberries light current all in the same genus. We call it a riot yeah and they're you know I'm Irish. My mother is from Ireland election for the fruit grown. Ah on the Emerald Isle there. My mother loved so in it and then we started <hes> teaching people about them. I'm here and they're really <hes> catch on pretty well. What do you do with the with the gooseberries. Greenbury isn't it the Green Stripe read some we have some called black velvet tired of really dark almost black color <hes> it's quite ability in the in the color on them so each variety you can tell it's I thought about summer just get a little pink blush and then they're right in front of the anthem until they get really dark dark but <hes> yeah <hes> we <hes> tell a lot out of those two <hes> jam maker's. Oh sure yeah customer you know. Some people like makers very damn because we've had a few people by some news. Berry Pie yeah by northern Europeans people <hes> have moved here or out of that ancestry are interested in is <hes> these yeah my dad grew gooseberries and he may be the only person in in western Pennsylvania Hansel veins that was gooseberries. Most people had no idea what they were but you also grew raspberries and we've time member hours and hours of picking through through <hes> raspberries as a kid and he was a bit of a gardener himself so <hes>. Can you tell me a little bit <hes> <hes> about the <hes> the nut trees that you're growing. Are you growing not trees. We <hes> we planted <hes> some black walnut yeah yeah they <hes> hedgerow in that we have <hes> some black walnut to their taller trees yeah a lot of the other ones that we are having <hes> <hes> more success tobacco laws take awhile they'll take eight to ten years having nuts and then you know thirty years ago the beautiful harvest artists that that's an act of faith food. I don't think I'll be around trees but that'll be our legacy for somebody. That's right yeah. We did the same thing on my dad's farm the you know we we planted trees knowing full well that we would never see them. I'm not even having a lot of success with <hes> Hazel Bert Hazell not yeah a a little nuts <hes> Christmas they had a great <hes> great Bush great shrub they make the full hedges or windbreak and <hes> we've been growing them and getting tons of nuts so say from from a Bush what what would be like an every terrorist from a from a Hazel Bird. Her Bush is at a Bush or tree <hes> it's somewhere in between the <hes> multiple stems. I mean you could be a single stemmed attorney but they're they're more like a bushy but they thought they could get <hes>. You know twenty feet tall tall tall and <hes> yeah. I'd say you know they're just really maturing now and I think we'll probably get we can play a Bushel not well well. That's pretty good well. One of the things is that I try to calculate as as a family of four you know how many would I have to grow grow to you know to contribute to the protein you know over beans or anything else who know that we might grow and and might <hes> harvest for storage over long run yeah. Oh they're great alternative source of protein heart healthy oils. Also I think the limiting factor might be <hes> you know how much patience you have for tracking the individual something something very mindful thing. Sit there and crack not yeah yeah well. I if you have patience to crack open a black walnut use excuse certainly patience to do Filbert crack my aunt that you gotta drive by you know right. You're right there. Are there are tools specifically called a hammer yeah well I. I'm fascinated by those and it's not really <hes> you call them. Hazel easel burt right yeah they're they're. Filbert and <hes> Hazel nut crop disease resistance to them absolutely great hazelnuts growing link also and the bigger they are not and pushes a more bigger so if I was going to do one it would be the Hazel Bertha. Yeah I would recommend in that guy yeah okay good <hes> John. Are You <hes> open to a phone call. We have a caller doug from Randolph calling in and with us what's up money curious to what happened to the Vermont Butter not population you. Do you remember being a kid to in the fall. That was a annual thing. Go pick up butternut yeah. There's there's a disease <hes>. Peter my know more about this than I do but there's a disease that can you hear me okay okay because I'm getting all the <hes> the <hes> the other not canker that has recently introduced then <hes> to kill the older trees so and either the material ones that are producing allowing the not so we're not seeing as many material feel out of <hes> younger ones sprouting up trying and hopefully the more and more although there our our get some genetic variability and I had some resistance to the disease but for now the better not mature about it and that's in trouble. It's <hes> the long list of of nut trees that that have <hes> have <hes> you know we've lost the chestnut <hes> the butternut that of course and then of course we know about the the ash now is just about <hes> you know to go extinct here and the elm of course that struggles breeders are you know making new varieties usually across from either. Chinese or some other other continent and trying to breed chestnuts and ash and elm and certainly butter nuts that <hes> will survive over here. Thank you very much yeah. I I read a couple of places where the the theory is that the the the nut trees have <hes> <hes> a very big canopy and that they're more susceptible to pollution in the air and but I I don't know whether that's true or not still it's <hes> it's sad to see sad to lose those <hes> those great and majestic trees really like the butternut chestnut in the very back <hes> John I really I love this chapter the small things and chapter it's it's a paragraph and I don't <hes> there's one thing in there where it says the one of the speakers at a recent recent talk. We attended about surviving. The future said the next big thing is a bunch of small things small acts creating pocket pockets of persistence assistance or resilience to environmental and social degradation multiply by millions of people will fuel the revolution. We need heal the planet and ourselves we can affect effect change and I I just I love that vision because it has a very positive <hes> every single person counts you know oh every body can do something because a lot of times you listen to the news. You think oh my gosh. There's just you know there's nothing I can do and I've always contended twelve. You WanNa do something garden. It's a it's a big thing. It's much bigger than we give it. Give it credit for and <hes> anyway I I. I think it's really important that this <hes> Cook the have a hopeful message because we are I just bombarded with all these negative news and it's easy to get into this ecological depression or <hes> psychologists calling uncalled climate anxiety about climate change and there's a lot of <hes> you know instability in the world and more suffering and stuff so yeah <hes> we wanted to the book to be hopeful and empowering for people so we talk a lot about you know how to plant thing what the plant and how important the cumulative Humid Action Guy we're all in favor of <hes> people <hes> protesting and shutting down and going after the corporations nations but <hes> and you know but they got a lot of lawyers guns and money that's that's one tactic to go straight on <hes> <hes> you know. I don't want to make them inconsequential quite buying their crap your wallet you can actually do really a good positive things in the world like getting out and gardening growing your own food planting some trees that are. GonNa be <hes> you know getting more organic matter into your soil soil carbon and water in our cycles on the planet here. I'll try since really we think that for things to really change and we're gonNA need to kind of kind of transformative relationship with the Earth and all the web of inhabitants that we interact with I think everyone is connected and we've really come to that realization through our twenty seven years of working on the land and stewards of the land and observing and interacting and <hes> it's it's very empowering to try to be <hes> you know in favor of life we want to <hes>. I mean I I I heard pharmacy and all I wake up in the morning and sometimes I'm thinking you know what what am I gonNA kill today and how we're GONNA kill it. Whether you gotta go out and kill weeds kills them interact via the diseases or things like that yeah yeah. I WANNA be purveyors of life. We're just trying to play this. Anything is possible and keep as many things going and any pesticides on our fines because we we think that are just like an ecological sledge hammer for small problem. We've <hes> we figured out ways of <hes> you know getting around and <hes> pest outbreaks do have occasional pests but maintaining equilibrium we can we sustain a little bit of damage and you know that's that's. GonNa keep are the official insects happy because they've got something to eat berthiaume. They've got something to eat. We don't even try to reimagined this term past co inhabitant of the former lawyer day day in line. Don't get too greedy and everybody's happy yeah yeah. Well put very very well put John. We have a call from Ted in Shelbourne do scratchy there but I know it and I'll ask ask a quick question. I just tried every phone I have an rookie and call go right ahead on a small Greek island for the last part of well. No no the first part of November and interested in some farming things one. I've wondered also for a locally is if you have thoughts about the Bio Char I've seen I'm very devoted and other saying maybe and maybe not and also because it's becoming more flooded with tourists and when I've been there in the past about finding ways of you know urine or human stuff for bio-gas or anything like that if any of those are going to get back to the radio now and those things <hes> that's well said the bioterror now I I saw in the in one place in the book the picture of the where you chop up the fresh yeah yeah yeah thanks and uh so do you guys use bioterr- at all. Is that any we don't we don't use our our practices but all I'm not in any way I think it makes a lot of sense in terms of <hes> anyway we can add carbon well. That's the that's the matrix of the life that kind of get all this boundary microbes and all the insects acts in the world and how much carbon matter you can get into your soil for using <hes> we call the mail which which <hes> which made from small branches have a really great carbon to nitrogen ratio because there's a lot of <hes> you know the Green Cam okay. You're a branch really Lignin in in the trunk fire okay. I'm a smaller branch. The ratio is better so we we a lot of that to get <hes> carbon into our cell. Bio Char- could be another way. I mean there's a lot of the event some research lately and it's kind of contradictory. Some people are finding those people finding no effect coninck. There's more to it than <hes> then we. We've been able to study so far that I know like the philosophy of it. It's a very light but a lot of Kolding so it can absorb moisture and <hes> you know that's that's a good thing until well it also has a lot of little nooks and crannies three-dimensional stuff for <hes> <hes> fungal my Celia and microbes and things more surface area for them to live on so <hes> I mean my God. I think that it's it's a good thing I I think you need need to think about how you're making it. If you just you know cooking down would on open air then you're a lot of feel too and you could be leaving other gases take off gases into the atmosphere and and causing problems like that yeah so <hes> you know so there's a lot to <hes> to buy we see these things. Baldo Google culture where we <hes> <hes> old word or you know <hes> you know chunks of backfield killed or something that's not good firewood body building our minds. I just put some encyclopedia's older than thirty thirty years ago so I like my jeans and they're not gonNA break out and just as much organic matter into their Donald Trump with him layer well and then you can plant into that now is that breaks down long-term fertility and great moisture you holding so it's similar to buy you know we talk a lot about it and our buck and stuff in the book for <hes> do culture but I was really interested in <hes> the callers comments about <hes> urine and you maneuver because tabby but <hes> <hes> colleges. We know that there's no such thing as waste nature. You know all these human waste we call them your waist. AH products and to kind of to me like on this planet where we're going to get up to nine billion people. It's like the big gorilla in the room. Like what do we do all all this ways. <hes> I <hes> child bit and I've worked and lived in <hes> in developing countries and <hes> you know not everybody's everybody's GonNa get a get a flush toilet. There's an idea of taking I may be getting a little <hes> porcelain bowl pristine drinking water yeah and then you know and then do a business in it to do a wastewater treatment plant. They have to spend all this money money pulling the the juice out and you know pathogens and and all this stuff and then that goes back into like lake champlain once it's cleaned uh-huh yup come back into our drinking water. It's <hes> it's crazy. If you start pack look at it is yeah. I I think you know in the future. If we're we're going to really have regenerative ecologically based systems. They're gonNa have to think of ways to deal with. I think a wedge yes wait not water. You're going to get its stay okay so pathogen but it back into the land living for certain certain and I couldn't agree with you more and there's a couple of things in there that so you said I want to go back to but we have a collar and it's Cassandra in Moncton Cassandra. Welcome what's on your mind. I looked wondering how the author teats Red Squirrels chipmunks eating. You realize it's a that's a completely unfair question. You know that right because you never happens all UNICORNS earns and rainbows or what are you going to do with the chipmunks right so we you know to mark's red squirrels. They have <hes> <hes> natural population cycles that EB and flow right so last year was like chipmunk Pakalitha. Yeah I don't really mind like taking the green good cheap and warring them up and you know they're just GonNa Rot. They only later on this busy work Jim. I it gets a little annoying. We just we just go with the flow. We've got <hes> created some corridors <hes> up into <hes>. We're trying to attract a higher level predators. We I really love to see and the Trans around water helping to <hes> lower the population awesome and chipmunks and we <hes> we put up nest boxes for our goals and <hes> <hes> you know <hes> yeah. That's that's like okay actually the whole year amy here there. Aren't that many <hes> Tim. I have to say this year <hes> I've. I've seen a couple but it it's the it is the one thing I mean you. Can you can kill them. You know it's not going to hear that. It's really a live and let live situation <music>. I'm here in the next morning. There's been a FRAT party underneath the tree and they're all eating and always see or the shelves. Oh boy really really hard to let them do what they need to do. On the Bush before the red squirrels come in and just have a great time with them. Will you can wrap a Bush an the individual Bush you know during that period and that will keep them at least at bay there might be one or two this squiggle up underneath that but but <hes> we do use bird netting on a lot of our our crops and that if you tack that down they're all on the ground you can you can discourage in two months or so yeah tissue and you put some back to the ground at all because ours are about twenty five feet high point twenty five foot high birth. Wow yeah honey yeah no. He can get that at all. <hes> you can see you know anything about. Hazel is that you can Kopasus. You could cut it down to the ground and <hes> and then they'll take. I know they're probably two years before you're bearing nuts nuts on average. Get it down to a more manageable size. You know it's hard to pick to get enough time to get to wipe and giving them more chance for the chipmunks and squirrels growth again. I'M TO GET HIM READY TO PICK COM YEP before they turn Brown yeah soon as as soon as the husks turn Brown that's a week pick out dry and <hes> and then <hes> and then let the nets drives more than all right. Thanks for the call much appreciated. <hes> we have another another call. NOLA has a question Nola or are you there. I am here. Can you hear me. Yes sure thank you and thank acute. Mr Guest person whose name I still haven't caught John Hayden. You're talking the John Hayden Book. The farming on the wild side which is is put. I am attempting to do so misses thebeat too heavy duty of a question but I've been growing organic Sela Greens appear in Ripston at about eighteen nine hundred and fifty feet for the last twenty seven years in my greenhouse and I love it <hes> however over the course course of the last five years grasshoppers have gotten worse and worse and worse and I treated them with a an organic treatments. They're still here in September this year. I don't think the answer is treating the grasshoppers anymore. I think it's what I should do. What should I switched to in that Tube of mine that I can grow well be proud up. Share with others sell to others that would make the grasshopper's think we don't want to come here anymore. We don't like this <hes> the because it's just it's become debilitating well. This is the last time I'll treat them. You know and a few days later I look for the seat said I planted a week ago yeah. They came up but they're gone. <hes> is there an alternative that could grow at an altitude that we live at <hes> in this sixty five foot by twenty one foot greenhouse the house other than or accelerate. That's the question <hes> kind of a big question you yeah you have experience with grasshoppers <hes> yeah of course we've got guys but I do. WanNa talk about experience in <hes> In our twenty one by forty eight and we have five of them and <hes> like tomatoes but then those those have done on well and I think you know even with that the greenhouse a little <hes> expand your season so you can get your tomatoes in and get the sides all down other growing it gets hot and all the sides out and then again extend the season later on when things get cold again by dropping the side but we've also we also raspberries who <hes> every bearing raspberries fall great some people are doing summer raspberries in greenhouses also <hes> we if you came to now we we have all kinds of stuff and we have <hes> Apricot Trees Peach Trees Cherries Apple Beautiful Honey Chris Crock yeah in the Greenhouse Green Trust like Holy Royal Beautiful Organic food that consumers who are so used to suit and <hes> we can do that in and hoop houses we can go out and he sprays and the other thing that you can think about is <hes>. Some people are netting in greenhouses for with a screening to keep keep the grasshoppers all like physical the area but they can't get in. We don't have role upsides. I think they're just I think they have eggs in the ground population that is you know the Kingdom of grasshoppers that make any sense. Am I gonNA possible I think <hes> if you rotated <hes> into like take and destroy the whole full in Asia's process greenhouse tomatoes peppers eggplants okay and then because they grasshoppers not gonna eat those keep all the weeds out so you can start talking. They can't have any other stuff that you need so you could start out grasshoppers for you and then come back here to greenhouse. You got a couple of roads. You can you for other things to play around with. It's really fun. The respirators sure sound good. That's for sure that gives you something to to work with me something to ponder on time for them with this. I I would love to but I do have another caller. Okay Yeah. Maybe call back at the end. Thank you so much yeah. Thanks for the call. Eh we have Freddie and faced in Joel you good morning. Hey good afternoon well. I'll take thank you the way good good day to you too. Thank you <hes> already. I'm sorry okay talk close so I meant to call you last week and forgot by the week before right. After your show we were in the garden <hes> and all of the leaves tomato plants were gone <hes> <hes> we looked around and we had horn worms yo I was going to say it's that's definitely a horn norm. Well <hes> <hes> forty-six Horn worms later. Oh Oh good Lord that was in two days. Oh Oh my goodness goodness so so sorry thank you I said much worse things true and and <hes> interestingly enough they didn't really go for a couple of the cherry tomatoes that were close to the Basil and I did some reading they said plant near Basil and dill <hes> something else marigolds I think <hes> and that we should wrote it till the soil soil Yup and the reason is that the the larva is in the soil. They'll come back okay. I think that's right. Isn't that John <hes> I'm. I'm not sure exactly where they chew. Pay Yeah. I think so yeah so everything thing. You know that we've been doing is don't rotate your soil. Don't you know just open it up well. I'm vengeful woman and I'm looking to now. Well I in this low down slowdown right. That's the rototiller really goes much deeper than you need to go. You know what you're trying to do is just disrupt the <hes> the cycle right and so really just <hes> <hes> you you know a good raking even with a potato or something like that. I'll do the trick. You don't need to go out and get the Rotor Tiller backout because the rotate one anymore well. That's good. I'm glad I'm glad but <hes> you know a good raking. We'll do the same thing and and we'll be actually more appropriate due to the to the depth that that that that's a little critters live in for sure okay and they'll be back next year. Oh one hundred percent. They'll be back so so you WANNA. Make sure you do a good job of of what they're saying. The other thing you can do is put down a piece of black plastic and they go. Yes saw so what they call. Solar is him but I cook them is probably same different same difference and and <hes> now back to John's book. I want to point out one one little phrase that I absolutely love and and John. Help me out if I get this right. <hes> it was talking about one of the best manure for farm is the two feet of the farmer is that is that did. I paraphrase correctly. Yeah I think <hes> have the best stabiliser fertilize farmers the farmers <hes> footprint thanks that means you know getting out and observing and no well finding these Orrin worms early you know where they really strip the Lutheran plants down there. You go yeah and it really helps you with this. <hes> because there's a mindset we just really want to think of things in terms of how. I always an ecosystem self-regulating so they know monocultures. It's really an ecosystem diversity and <hes> so any greenhouse to we wanted to try to get some diversity in there and go out tomatoes an anti the greenhouse. What sounds like you're calling basil in there <hes> but yeah? I think that <hes> being observant 'cause really one of the keys to being <hes> forgetful wolf farmer and then you can learn so much by just seeing what's going on. What what insects are eating what other insects sometimes we'll see an eighth outbreak lake and <hes> we had an observed or if we just kind of <hes> happened on that and we might get all worried and say well? What are we going to spray. How are we. GonNa kill these aphids but I observing. We'll see we'll watch the natural enemies moving in and that gives us offensive like okay. We're not probably not at risk. We have all these surfaces fly by laying their eggs. The larvae hatching and eating the aces. We've watched the lady. Bug Lady but why removing and eating if it's so <hes> if you if you create enough biodiversity and you are not GonNa be in these big outbreak cycles. I've never had them before been here thirty five years and then okay. I have to honestly the first time I saw that the tomato home where I was. I was horrified. My God that thing is so big league and it just eight through a couple of plants before I even noticed <hes> the think whatever either monk good Lord Oh no I life took pictures and video and sent it to my grandson. Marne thieves beautiful actually uh-huh yeah. I mean just to watch them how they're just as eating machines but then to just ethan grows they're doing. I was not feeling the same love. It stinks also so we've had him in our tomatoes. All all they do is remove my hand again. I I don't really WANNA. Kill anything and put it on the black nightshade out in in our <hes> on really black nightshade drawing. There's always just plant and <hes> the reason we do. This is because there's a lot of <hes> parasitic wasp oft. That is the horns. I don't know if you've ever seen I have seen the cocoons coming out of the back. Yep <hes> so by removing them from greenhouse tomatoes keeping them alive <hes>. The you can <hes> help promote more parents because I'm like that. I'm <music>. I'm not in a greenhouse so this was you know out in the open okay. And how far away do you have to put them well. They they they. They don't crawl here. Call like all the way across the lawn or anything to get your tomatoes. They're not they're related on the planet where the host plan plan where they need to stay so they're not gonna go very far so you know if you take him <hes> twenty thirty yards away or they're not going to get back to your tomatoes. <music> cut blows out like I think people fillers or squash bag yup yup bucket of water my speed there yeah and then you think well my gosh. Throw the compost spin right now. What do you do. I think John you got a good idea. I like the transplant idea your neighbors. I'll put them up on the on the Goldenrod all right well. That's all good information yeah all right. How many years do I have to do that. You may not see him again for another thirty years you know it it's <hes> it's definitely just like anything being else. I haven't seen one since that first experience and that was certainly enough for me but I do keep my eye out for sure for both both the moth and the <hes> you can see a picture of the moth online. It's a huge yeah huge not not quite as big as the. What's the other one. That's a monster but it's almost that size anyway all right. Thank you thank thank you. I appreciate the call well John You. You thought you were going to be here for fifteen minutes and I've always set at the end of the show is that this is the fastest hour on radio because it seems like we no sooner get started than it's time to time to quit but before four I'll let you go. I I just have to say I saw commercial bumble. Bee Keeping in the in a chapter are in your book on the bees needs and I found that very fascinating bumblebee keeping in in there. It said that you actually had tried this actually done it. Yes we've <hes> we've collected. Queens bumblebee cleans in the spring <hes> there's a lot of inside and we've <hes> we raised them and then we kept them cut them in a warm spot for a couple of weeks and <hes> <hes> sugar water and then they creating <hes> their nest. We took him outside and established him outside so experiment. Oh Man I mean we're greenhouse go. They're having difficulties because they're trying to grow in close houses or they need pollinators so we're and there are some companies that raise these laboratory raised bumblebees also been shown to bring a lot of <hes> diseases that affect like other than our honeybees <hes> so these alternative young homegrown homegrown bumblebees and you know a lot of work and the counties. He's never really got huge. We found that it's better to just create more habitat and also to <hes> have nesting areas for the to be so we do create we have put up bumble bee boxes and we create <hes> think like one of the mouse nest found in so things things like <hes> you know <hes> legallais. Hay Bale down cover them but they don't get soaking wet and then the mice moving and then almost cleaned can actually smell mouse urine and they hone in on them on on these possible mess 'cause master usually nice and dry got some insulated material and the bumblebees will also use so we found that a day just to try to create more three dimensional habitat for them and has always okay have flowering as sources throughout the season so yeah we have a whole chapter about. I didn't book pound eight or populations. This is great. This is Great John. This has been such a pleasure talking to you and so much fun and I I definitely can see Joel doing bumblebee hive there. They would do anything to get pollinators John John. I silent partner today here on the program too. Many voices tend to confuse infuse our listeners but I I do want to make sure that before <hes> you go you can let us know about any book signings again once again. Let us know <hes> what your website is so that our listeners can tune in to the farm between yeah so he's yeah we have we ever talked to that on a nursery and what's available also there's links to great <hes> educational material in there and that's. WWW DOT fine between dot com and then <hes> you can only the book through <hes> Chelsea Green publishing so if you just Google Tel de Amazon if you want to refer US shelter your image you can get it through Amazon gone <hes> well yeah and and <hes> I would have to chime in here is go to your local bookstore and ask them because they usually can have it in a day or so and it also they see people asking the I'll carry a few books and <hes> that's the way the word gets out and one of my favorite places in the world is go to a bookstore and see what new stuff they brought in getting <hes> tearing our book Phoenix over Burlington. I got an ethics at the at the start affects yup. We're going to be doing a book signing. Talk Knock on <hes> September Eighteenth September eighteenth that that's a win at seven o'clock and hey we're. GonNa Bring Colonia CIDER for people to try it. Who so this on the eighteenth was that Nancy in the background hi Nancy <hes> so that's the eighteenth <hes> at the <hes> at the Phoenix Bookstore in Essex. Did you say yes extraction. Okay and that's at seven o'clock. That's great well. What a great book. <hes> congratulations on. I do understand no the <hes>. No how much is involved in this. It's not even a year of writing. This is <hes> thirty five years and are living right here in this book so it's an incredible resource it <hes> it. It's just great reading. If nothing nothing else you know <hes> if you enjoy reading about farms and all of ecosystems and everything else if you're farmer or if you're a gardener there's a tremendous amount of resources in here and I couldn't recommend it more highly. What a wonderful book. Hey John you still there any final words for you. You thank you for all those kind words about book. We really appreciate you. You talking and I would like to hear from your college too. I list many question punch <hes>. They're just terrific <hes> well I. There's a there's there's a one caption on the back that I think it's a story about their farming practices and how they built a relationship with the land hand and all its inhabitants by working to heal and restore as co creators with nature and I just love that you know in you know it's <hes> <hes> that's almost synopsis of Gardening All <hes> in one of John's words about the farmers footprint being yes fertilizer. It proves that when Yogi Berra said was absolutely true. Oh yeah you can observe an awful lot just by looking <laughter> well on that we can inspire anybody to <hes> to to <hes> to grow more things and do more thinking more deserving in and increasing their relationship improving their relationship to the natural world and we've been successful with the book here all right John. 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"Time to get organized day tuned. If you have money saving tips you wanna share. We would love to hear from you. We'll talk about them in a future podcast just head to our facebook facebook page at facebook dot com slash dollar saving divas the bus okay. I don't know about you but i have to have it very well. Organized consider it. Everyone like i can tell when gilles been in the one right whirling through yes. It's an it's all the mess so i take the whole drawer out and organize at all i mean and things you know i don't know about you but i've got more different things of actual and spoons so sometimes i just got to and yeah just go in and say okay paramount. Just get rid of the ones that you really aren't gonna use just do something like the fundamentals which could include six key meal prep tools and a storage base for <hes> which i think would be really good but i i can't do that. I love to buy kitchen stuff i do too. I love gadgets. Oh yeah i have way too many and they are not very well. Organized well and another thing is i do have this under my sink is a little catty coming coming. I have something in the door of under my sank that i keep like some of the cleaning things an offer like like doing my <hes> <hes> refrigerator appliances awesome thanks but i also have where i keep a little thing that has the dishwashing detergent and the scrubbers and stuff like that and also also. I took a vase a square. You know that's like square. Cube vases are small short. How i take out my dishwashing gene detergent. I mean the little <unk> pad things and i stick them in there. So it's very convenient. They won't leaker anything and i'm using one of those vases. I got kind of lovely. I bet it is and it's very nice. When you look underneath icing. It's beautiful under my under my counter. Well also i. I don't use the dish rack. Do you use the dish rack now. They say they say he's dish record drain board under the sink when it's not used but what i have in we're thing to deal with. I don't uncover room for it but i do. Have i have a divided. Do you ever divide it. Sink it stainless so on the left hand. Side has the the disposal the right hand side is i put it a little metal <hes> kind of like dreaming wreck that sit out. It's like stainless so it's actually in there so that's where i can in using if i do need to in there that often like just put them over there and i use the dishwasher yes anything for the dishwasher except for like my knives and things well the other thing is they say to downsize your appliances now this we have done got too many things on the big coups are how many oh lord you use it once a year so i even stores some of that stuff like the big crock pot. I've gotten to smaller when i put all that stuff downstairs in the lower level. We even used to have a big coffee pot on or coffee maker on the thing. We got this small individual kirk because i don't even drink coffee. We still need to be coffee. Go ask your coffee well and returning grocery bags for recycling now. I always do that and do you know. Kroger is going to eliminate plastic bags. I heard that yes. They're gonna eliminate because that's what i pick up dog poop with now now. I have to find another grocery store. Kroger backed by dr bags. Oh my lord only elite hardship well. I do this as well as you know. Plastic containers i purge him and sometimes i get rid of because sometimes they're just oh you need to get many gave everything why have the live for that and i went through dishwasher i went and got some new ones the the other day and because they were on sale and i went in i sat myself on the floor open my pantry and took everything out and purged and got rid of a bunch of it but i still you'll probably have three hundred because i was give leftovers to everybody and so then i buy more because they haven't given me back like they never can well then then we'll come over and alexis will come over and they've got big plastic bags full of plastic so i gotta find reorganize again so i have room for so okay. That's my little pet. Here's a great idea. You can take a divided plastic shower tote to hold your like prewashed. Spray your dryer. Are your sheets. Keep everything in that to kind of. Keep it organized. I kind of plastic basket on the top unit has all the dryer sheets and all the the different things. I need need. That minds mind's a mess all kinds of stuff there yet. Do you use the drying rack and a have room for a dry. I don't ever for a drying rack but <hes> in florida data because we have actually a laundry room. That's not in our condo. We have a drying rack there but we also have one. I have one up in the condo so i just stick it in an extra might not be a bad idea because i usually take up so much space just hanging up on the shower an extra bedroom. That's what i do. I usually hang shower but you can also just put a valet. Hook over the door and your laundry room to hold a couple items that you need to that need air drying instead of having the big old drying rack think that's a good idea and put a little <hes> <hes> and i don't do this. Put a little mini trash can in the laundry room. Oh i do have <hes> because yeah you need dryer sheets or stuff you pull out of the washer well l. and also yeah well yeah they go through the washer and dryer. I i'm finding lots of white disposable napkins in in go eat his lunch up into the office and he puts them in his pockets and then i watched him in. He says it's my responsibility to check his pockets. Yeah i got my check. Anybody else's pockets. You don't know what you're going to find in there. I am my rule is if there's money it's money that comes through dryer. Here is bad. We're doing all the work yeah but i do have one of those little trash cans. That's got a little push them. <hes> i use my lint. When you get lint trap and yeah you do that and then also find candy wrappers in there i have pulled candy wrappers driver before <hes> and then you can get a little. There's <hes> a little soft basket that you can roll up or down for sorting uram sorting your clothes so you can got different. I don't even understand this thing. It's different colors. I guess for darks. Oh so you think so you separate your clothes your clothes asking for that either now see i. I just dig through my hamper. I dig through my hamper pile on the floor determine which i'm gonna do. I and i do dumont once so do whites cutler basket for sorting. I just sorry we don't that one's not gonna work now. Well also you know we've talked about closets before and what to do now color-coded hangers i i thought that was kind of interesting like black pants white for blouses pink for dresses. I mean it's interesting yeah. I mean i do plot used plastic but i i kind of had categorize my clothes. Yeah my closet like i want my jeans and my hanger color but low i'd do it by yeah exactly and then you know one whole clauses simmered another whole closet is winner and another whole closet is also organized by season yes well another thing is and i had this in in our lower level. We have under our stairwell. <hes> we have a storage place so that's where in the wintertime i store like like all of the <hes> pushes for the outdoor patio furniture and some games and it has little shelves in there too well. We got a cordless cordless. Little battery operated lights. Are those are great. We've got us yeah. Those are really handy also adding shelving that there's some modular systems system that you can add now. I would not have room because my walk in closets are not that big concern full of hanging closed and but i do under my pants though i slip in a couple i've got a couple of little i do. I have shoes. I have wooden shoe ones so i i do that but i'm running. I'm running out of that room for all that stuff <music> out on i did per. I did purge purses. Are you proud of me. I did a purse. I did want to why i did but look just bought myself a new new purse. You can't see it but i just about myself a new michael kors purse and then reason to purge purses and then buying new and then my wallet because it's one of those backpack wants so i had but then go in my wallet wouldn't fit in so i had the same problem. You have to go buy a new wall and i did. I bought a kate spade to go with my michael kors and it's it's a little handbag. Guys can't see this leslie. Just gonna love. The color of this is beautiful. I got the kate spade david. It's pink but like those you who live in columbus ohio very surrounding the outlet mall and sunbury that that's where i got all this stuff and i got sacked search for seventy seventy dollars. It was three hundred ninety eight dollars and they had it. I can't see it. It's one of those backpacks ones but it has the chain yes. Perhaps we'll take a picture of this and have to put it on on on our facebook page so you can see with my with my new wallet. That's beautiful beautiful. Turquoise color is that he'll okay anyway. If you need to tidy up your bathroom we're moving read along to the bathroom. Hey you know you have all those little mini toiletries. Oh my hotel reason you feel like you need to bring them home but you can can donate them a lot of places. We'll take them for homeless shelters or food pantry. Our drycleaners does that dublin drycleaners does that okay and i oh they the multiply baskets full of so. I put some in my bathroom. I have some in alexis old bathroom and and they're everywhere. I just need to get rid of them because i never. I'm never going to use them yeah. No we end it. I don't know why we bring him home. Here's a fun idea in your bathroom. Put a wine rack now. I know what you're thinking. It's not for wine but a wine rack you can because it holds bottles horizontally. You can use it to hold extra towels house bathroom tissue asthma things. Isn't that a cute idea. It's very cute idea. Where a bottle of wine to both yeah it probably plays him for your glasses b roll up your tells and stick them in case. You could never leave your bathroom third good a mini fridge. Well i mean we know. We have that in my house. We have that in my office. I don't give a lot of work done right. There's the perfect bathroom. That's good well. Another thing is we've kind of talked about these things before but these are a high ideas for pantries storage. Okay these are easy things to do. Set up the snack station like he placed fruits and your chips so you can just kinda grab it. Grab it and guys keep fruit on the counter because otherwise nobody eat it they forget. It's there so i have a hair remember. When you and i went down to jeffersonville mall we went to the harry and david store. Yes i got that wooden box that had stuff in. It had like yeah yeah thanks. That's what i use. I use that for like for little snack. Things is and stuff like that very nice and it just sits on top of my committee little baby convection of mike and my kitchen so it's kind of you don't see everything that's what's in it but that's what i use upcycle clear containers give plastic berry tomato and lettuce packaging new life in the pantry. These holders were keep open bags of beans or nut single. Cook your spice packs and more in one place. I never thought about plus their see-through and stackable. Oh that's interesting. Yes you know what i have in my in my work. My vegetables and i have a metal colander so i put the small things in there like you know lemons limes garlic stuff like that so it doesn't because otherwise they're rolling all around. That's a good idea. That's what online online use but. I like this this idea better. Oh maximize the fridge top now. I'm sorry but i don't put stuff on either. I don't i don't even clean lean on frigerator can't see it because i'm sure it's i can't see the top of the injury. I can't either yeah so no. I don't ever put well and i'm why i don't know about you but i actually have a cabinets over there. That's where i keep all the starbucks containing like these. I keep all my mugs and stuff like that. I don't need to travel cups but i got out which reminds me him to go. Home at perks does scott too many of them. Do they. Fall they revolved applied like rapid thaw out of them all the time. They're always falling out well. Here's another pack flat. Try vaki ceiling spor. Isn't there some kind i'm a machine. You combine the vacuum. I wouldn't have any place to put that. I think it'd be too much of a pain in the. I don't like that i i don't either okay well. This is something that we always did was if you have kids and you have toys everywhere get one of those little ottomans especially in you if you're in the family room or whatever you instict toys in there and they can get easily and they're out of out of sight well alongside furniture exactly why alexis and we'll have right inside their garage door when you come into their family room they have a place. It's a piece of furniture that has has a seat to it and under the seat are are are things like all all the dogs stuffing yeah hang their big to hang their keys on the hooks there. They can hang their coat their so everything is angry. Need it yeah good idea well. I think we're going to have the home purge. I feel like i need to get organized. Thanks for listening to the dollar saving divas. If you have ideas for an upcoming episode we'd love to hear from you just head to our facebook page at facebook dot com slash dollar saving divas sabbath and share your comments. 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Pizza Hut vs Domino's | Slices of Science | 5
"It's summer nineteen eighty-four and in Jeffersonville Indiana a homeless man sleeping on a bench wakes with a start. He looks around the Dark Empty Shopping Plaza. He figures, it must be two or three in the morning. He jumps at a sound from a nearby dumpster. WHO's there? No one answers. But, there's more shuffling banging from inside the dumpster. The Guy Frowns. Damn raccoons keeping me awake. Suddenly a pizza box flies out of the dumpster what the heck. The man looks at the half crush Domino's pizza box lying on the asphalt. And then back to the dumpster, it's a hell of a throw for a raccoon. Gingerly, he steps forward. A guy in his early twenties bursts up from inside the dumpster Gotcha. There's grated cheese in his black curly hair and smears of pizza sauce on his white t shirt. triumphantly, raises a garbage bag into the air. The homeless man stumbles back in shock and the man of the dumpster notices he's not alone. Sorry. Buddy didn't mean to frighten you you. Okay. Young Man clambers out of the dumpster garbage bag. The homeless man is in warily. What the hell are you doing in there? You woke me up. Yeah, I am I was just doing some treasure hunting treasure hunting in the trash. The man from the dumpster grins indeed he has inside that bag of trash or. Of discarded order slips from the nearby. Domino's complete with customers, names and addresses. And tomorrow. Those customers will get letters offering them fifty percent off their first order from the newest pizza joint in town all signed by the man from the dumpster John Schneider the founder of Papa John's. Right now Papa John's is just a broom cupboard in shabby strip mall, bar. But Schneider's dumpster treasure will lead him right to the doors of hundreds of new customers. And once they get a whiff of what he serving. Pizza Hut and domino's start feeling the heat. 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Checklist and inspection that anyone can learn within minutes and it'll help keep your co workers and customers safe with it. You can make sure you're following CDC guidelines complete covid nineteen safety inspections maintain an audit trail and a whole lot more. There are hundreds of preloaded checklists available to download for free visit safety culture, dot com to download your free checklist today. From wondering I'm David Brown and this is business wars do. On, the last episode Pizza Hut stormed into the delivery business Tom Monahan big-spending loaded domino's with debt. Now Montanes Nursing Domino's back to health so he can sell it and devote himself to Catholicism. But he's about to skid off course. This is episode five. Slices of science. December. Nineteen ninety-three Saint. Louis Circuit Court Missouri. An attorney and a light grey suit bursts out of the courtroom. He hurries along the busy corridor pushing people aside excuse me please please out of the way. He runs into restroom past the man at the sink washing his hands dives in westall. The man at the sink knocks on the door. You're okay their. The attorney rises from all fours. No I'm. Not The attorney staggers out of the stall splashes water on his space and makes for the door. He's got to fight a phone. To Bank of payphones in calls, his boss Ed pair Domino's chief counsel. And add. Listen remember the gene kinder- case. Pair racks his brain he's currently overseeing dozens of cases against domino's all claiming that the company encourages its drivers to speed. Gene Calendar. Oh. Yes. The woman from Saint Louis One of our drivers crashed into her car and now she's suing for head and spinal injuries. Yeah. Yeah. That's the one verdict just come in. And we lost. Oh. Oh. I thought we had that one. and. And and what? The attorney Gulps. The jury awarded her seventy eight million dollars. The attorney weights, but there's only silence. And At he still there. Is the next day and in Domino's board room in Ann Arbor. Michigan Tom Monaghan just been briefed on the kinder-, case. He's not taking it well. Seventy eight million dollars for a fender bender. That's ridiculous. Downright insane. Monahan turns to add pair the company's chief counsel and you're fighting this right. You got appeal this we're putting in an appeal and I'm confident we can reduce the damages but Tom, this verdict. Will Open the floodgates we gotta drop the thirty minute delivery promise every new claim against us will depend on it. At least without it, we stand a chance. The thirty minute guarantee is Dominos Competitive Advantage is the pledge that took it from a cash strapped regional chain to multibillion dollar giant. And Monahan not giving it up without a fight. But this is nonsense we don't support. We're fast because our kitchens are fast. We're being crucified for something we're not doing domino's chief financial officer interjects. Ed's right we can't afford damages. This big were only just back on our feet. Financially our insurance premiums are bowel disor. Dropping the guarantees the wise play here. Monahan slumps into his chair and looks at his marketing chief. Well. What about you? What's the marketing damage from ending the guarantee? Right now, the bad publicity from these lawsuits overshadowing any benefits. I think we can safely lose thirty minute promise. We're already a household name and that won't change. Monahan looks dejected. He always regarded that thirty minute promises sacred. But he doesn't see another way forward. Fine. Drop Guarantee. Domino's thirty minute. Promise is history and. And the timing couldn't be worse because the newest challenger in the pizza war. Is Rising fast. It's nineteen ninety-four and outside of Papa John's in Memphis. Tennessee Pizza Hut Co founder Frank Carney gives his friend doubtful look. I can't believe I'll let you push me into this. It's been fifteen years since Carney quit pizza hut. Since then he's watched from the benches, but now his friend is trying to tempt him back into the kitchen. Inside the pizza, they ordered his real waiting. They sit on stools by the window and opened the box. Carney's eyes widen. It's perfectly cooked with and brown cheese and not a bubble in. The raised edge of the Pies Deep Brown outer crust is free of toppings and every slice is evenly fully loaded with juicy pepperoni slices. Corny notices a pot of sauce and pickled green pepper in the corners of the box I. was. that. About. The sauces for dipping your pizza it's like A. buttery garlic sauce. Unusual but it means I actually finished the crust. pepperoni. No idea, but it's a good gimmick. corny grabs a slice strings of cheese stretch and snap as he takes a massive bite. The melted cheese, the salty pepperoni and the Urbi sauce thrill is taste buds. Then comes the satisfying crunch of the crust. `Wow. Now. That's a pizza that crust it's like. It's like the best breadstick you ever ate told you I read their opening, two hundred stores a year, and they're really pushing the quality angle. I think they're going to be really big. Really big. You should buy a franchise. Well I told myself I was out of the pizza game, but I gotTa say this pizza here it reminds me how good Pizza Hut was when I ran it. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tempted. Eat this every day. A few weeks. Later, the Pizza Hut co-founder gives into temptation. He is the Papa John's franchise for the Houston area. It's a PR victory for the fast growing pizza. Upstart. And a jab in the IDA Pizza Hut. Pizza Hut's cooking up a surprise of its own. It's early nineteen ninety-five and in Midtown Manhattan. Pizza Hut's AD agency BBDO is feeling the heat. In a meeting room creative director. Janet. Lions briefs our team. Pizza Hut says we're fired if we don't make this thing sell yeah. I know they say that every other week they're nervous. Okay. They big on this and I'm not sure even bay think this thing's a winner. That thing is stuffed crust pizza. It started with a guy in a focus group telling a Pizza Hut food scientist how we always feeds his pizza crusts to his dog because like many other people he doesn't like eating them. So. The scientists made it her mission to invent a crust. So irresistible, there wouldn't be a scrap leftover. It took three years to perfect recipe for cheese filled crusts and overcome the internal opposition. But now, Pizza Hut is just weeks away from unleashing stuffed crust on an unsuspecting nation. Chains spending one hundred million dollars launching its revolutionary crushed. But it's already failing to catch fire and test markets. So now pizza hut wants BBDO to convince America to embrace. It's a front pizza purists. Lions looks at our team. Okay how are we going to sell stuff crusts? We can tell people to eat it back to front like from the Cross to the tip of the slice because the best parts at the end her well. That's that. That's really good actually. Yeah. Eating pizza the wrong way. That could work, but we need people talking about it. We need something current to tap into like what's the biggest wrongs right now who are the wrong people pete rose betting on his own baseball games that's that's a big one. Everyone having the same hair is Rachel on friends Oh and Donald Nirvana trump's divorce. The room stops. Donald Nevada trump's bitter divorce is perfect. An epic media circus that never seems to stop. Lions grants. Yes yes. Commercial where Donald NAVONNA pretend to get back together come on they won't do it. They hate each other no harm in asking. After. The meeting lions called trump's people. Five minutes later, her phone rings. Janet it's Donald Donald Trump I'll do your pizza. Hut Commercial. For one million, dollars. Okay but it only works if von is on board to know Avendano Ad. I talked to are already she's with me on this. She's with me till my people win and where we'll be there. In March nineteen ninety-five stuffed crust debuts in eight thousand Pizza Hut's across the US and Donald In von reunite in the name of cheese PAT crusts and million dollar checks. You really think this is the right thing for us to be doing devante. Let them. Talk. If Audible It's wrong. Isn't it? The to so right. And it's a deal. Yes we be wrong way rustler's introducing stuffed crust pizza from pizza for the ring choose baked into a totally new thinner class no one. Eat at the Walnut Crest I. Actually you're only entitled to half large is nine, ninety nine. The ads work. Customers flocked to Pizza Hut to feast on the boldest pizza innovation since a Canadian pizzeria, I top two pie with Ham and pineapple. Stuffed crust adds a Billion Dollars to pizza hut sales that year convincing the brand to push the frontiers of pizza. Even more. It invents the Triple Decker Pizza with a bonus layer of cheese sandwiched between two layers of crushed. Next it unleashes the edge a creation that abolishes the crust and takes toppings to the brink of every slice. Then it pack some extra flavor into the crust with the Sicilian. Introducing this AC- Pizza from pizza hut this ain't no ordinary pizza the most intense tasting pizza we've ever. This. Ain't in the tail on the donkey this hammer the tail on the donkey with baseball bats. This is opening a gift from the PYRO technic society. This is a Reagan, Basil and garlic rolled into a perfectly innocent looking crust and exploding in your face. This is the. Every new spin on pizza lifts the chain sales ever higher, and that's ideal for PepsiCo. Because, after twenty years in fast food PepsiCo's decided its priorities lie elsewhere. So it's Bundling Pizza Hut KFC and Taco Bell together and spending them off as a new company called Yum brands. And Rising Sales at Pizza Hut helped PepsiCo attract more of the investors who will take yum off its hands. But Pepsico's not the only one heading for the exit. Spring Nineteen Ninety eight in a law office in Manhattan Tom Monahan, pen hovers over the dotted line. Around him executives from the private equity giant Bain capital wait for him to sign. As. Monahan Penn hangs over the page a bain executive dares a joke. You're not having second thoughts. All you tom you know it took us a lot of work to raise that billion dollars you wanted. Monahan. Smiles. And signs. Monahan sits back in his chair is the bane executives pop champagne corks. It's finally over. Monahan. No longer owns domino's. A. Executive Offers Monahan a glass of champagne. Neth thank you I don't drink. Oh, right. Sorry. So what are you going to do next? Lots I'm going to start a Catholic University built churches. My goal is to get into heaven and bring as many people with me as I can. I plan to spend every sent by the time I die. It's the end of an era for Domino's. And Pizza, hut. But as the twenty, th century begins. They'll have to do more than adjust to new management. They'll also need to deploy an arsenal of high tech tools to hold on to customers who will soon be just a click away. From the enemy. Today's episode of Business Wars is brought to you by Athletic Greens the all in one daily drink to support better health and peak performance athletic Greens is a green powder engineered to help fill the nutritional gaps in your diet. It's developed from a complex blend of seventy five vitamins, minerals, and whole food sourced ingredients and the folks had athletic Greens make easy to take every day because they deliver it straight to your door. My Athletic Greens smoothie has become a morning ritual. 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In the corner of the store near the food prep area is a large flat screen TV mounted high on the wall employees can watch in real time how they every nearby Domino's rank on getting orders out the door within fifteen minutes. The managers scowls the store in. Chandler knocks him into second place on the leaderboard. He wants to be the one gloating when he meets that store owner tomorrow. He turns to the FOOD PREP team. Whereas living come on people. Of, our orders you're going out on time we only need one percent more to get back on top. So come on get those pizzas out Mu Moo. The onscreen ranking is part of a new back office IT SYSTEM Domino's new owners. Bain capital introduced it, and it does a lot more than foster competition between local domino's. It also lets the head office track the progress of at all of America's five thousand stores. In minute detail. It's exactly the kind of behind the scenes efficiency that will help Bain cash in big when it takes Domino's public in a few months time. While Domino's has been busy installing back in TAK, it's lagging behind its rivals in chasing delivery dollars online. It's two, thousand, five and a bedroom in Portland Oregon bearded gamers clocking up the hours inside the hit online role playing game everquest to. The player guides his mace wielding warrior into battle clicking frantically when a powerful monster goes on the attack. But the monsters too much for his engaging character. Oh No, no, no, no, no, no no no. No. The player tries to run, but it's too late. And all too familiar message appears on his PC's monitor. You have died. I, need a pizza. The player clicks on the Games text entry box types forward, slash pizza, and presses return. A new window opens a magic portal offering the chance to place an urgent delivery from Pizza Hut. Pizza Hut's quest to bring pizza to the fantasy realms of everquest to is just it's latest push into the digital frontiers. The chain I tried e commerce back in Nineteen ninety-four with its pizza net website back. Then users who ordered online had to confirm their order by phone and pay cash on delivery but now customers can order and pay via the Pizza Hut website in just a few clicks. But while Pizza Hut and Papa Johns have been reaping the sales gains from an early push into. ECOMMERCE? Domino's is only just now adding online orders to its website. But domino's won't be. Lagging behind. For, Long. It's two thousand six and in the Domino's conference room in Ann. Arbor. Michigan executives around the table pure up at a graph that looks like a roller coaster ride. Chief Information Officer Chris McLaughlin. That's the image linger for a second and then continues his presentation. This is the Pizza Order Motion Cycle. It shows how happy or sad customers feel at each stage in the order process. mcglaughlin points to the high point at the start of the graph. This is the yeah. Let's get pizza moment. You see height then it dips fast because they're coming in high about what to order but once they choose it's huish backup again because pizza's coming. But. Then comes the darkest moment. The wait here's the black hole of pizza ordering. Customers. Don't know what's happening. So they get out and irritated and their stomachs rumbling away. And they won't feel joy again until the doorbell rings. mcglaughlin takes a sip of water. It's time we eliminated the Funk customers experienced during the weight. When executive interjects the weights, the way Chris what are you? GonNa do beam pizza and like star trek if I only. Problem is customers don't know what's happening during the weight, but we do our systems already track every order in every store. We know when a pizzas being assembled when it's being. When it's outward delivery. Let's share that knowledge. Let's say pizza tracker feature to the website. So people can always see their order status. It'll make them happier and that means that they'll feel they had a better experience ordering pizza online from Domino's in from anyone else. The pizza tracker gets the green light. In two, thousand, eight, the Domino's pizza tracker arrives in a blaze of. Publicity. It's a first for the food delivery business and it repositions the chain as a leader in the online ordering race. But just as the pizza trackers working, it's magic to Domino's employees north. Carolina upload a video to Youtube showing what they've been up to the kitchen. It Ain't pretty. And it's about to plunge domino's. into. Its biggest crisis yet. On the next episode Domino's best is up to terrible food pizza hut starts price war. And a new breed of meal couriers take to the streets. From wondering this is episode five of Pizza Hut versus Domino's for business, wars. 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#532: 5 LinkedIn Hacks You Should Be Using
"In this episode of the advanced selling podcast Bill talks about a dangerous epidemic sweeping the nation. Val continent confusion, we identify the ultimate cornerstone content piece for your personal brand makeover. And we take a listener question from the co video mailbag that asks what is the best way that sales people should use linked in. What can everybody to the advanced selling podcast, the longest running sales, turning podcast and sail training podcasts history. My name is Brian Neal Bill Caskey, and we are here every week for your listening enjoyment, new listeners, welcome or glad you're here. If you've not figured out all ready. There's a link group that is as we sit here today. Recording day, fifty people shy of ten thousand members so many many thanks to all of you for being part of a great community and for listening and supporting the show over the years, and we're looking for those last fifty which we might by the time this airs, we might already be at the ten thousand Mark. And then we find something to do. And I've got an idea. Guy. I'm thinking sticker, I'm thinking laptop or we ought to have them on all the air onto Travis. We can monitor that. Right. So you can tell exactly the ten-thousandth Perron is. Yeah. What to think about see? Now, people will be holding off. They'll be. To take the thirteenth caller here, w I don't you love that all the board to light up, and you were DJ and county light up or light up nine Cal gets two tickets to the Pepsi calcium. Go see ever clear goes Steven's be w w Stevens all backlash so in. Yeah. You gotta start. Well, they're just a dilemma that. I'm okay. Okay. What's your current dilemma? So not solved catch twenty. Yeah. Here. It is. Yep. Do you know sometimes when people send out emails, they will not so much anymore. But it used to be they'd capitalize everything he wanted to scream at you. Actually did that this morning. You did I was frustrated I couldn't unsubscribe from a a retailers. Most unsubscribe your great once click this group you had to search for it. It really upset know them in all caps, and they bet you'll bad. Yeah. Your asset. So that was like a thing that was the thing. But now, it's a thing. But now the new thing is and this is a. Who how shall I say this? Okay. When you're wanting to be a little cute and Email and you want to stretch out the word. Oh, yeah. Right. You you you repeat the same letter many times. Well, there's this lady who's list, I'm on that. I will not tell you who it is. She's very successful. I notice I've noticed that every time. She does this like here's the word. Just just missed us. She spells it J U S TT. It is like wait a minute. That'd be isn't. It should be on the valve alma consulate. So what's at Val continent? Dilemma that my great grandfather used to always talk about. And when it came to Email. That's really funny. So what was the sentence? What can you read the sentence without giving it away you just met you? It was like over the holidays, and I sent an Email to this person. And I got you just missed. So when did you saints j you you rack arrest he says Jay, and this is not the first time. So she she's done this several times where she has some kind of thing about the continent. So it's pedantic, my friend. It's it's more. It's worse than having three more than three funds in a brochure. We're going to go and sort of do podcasts called the vowel consonant dilemma for those who struggle between the difference between foul and a consummate. I we we hear a lot of times. People say God. I laughed. You guys have some really weird things. Have that's kind of one of those things that no one else. No one else is talking about now Ryan. But I would love to tell me what you should do. You should. Yeah. If you have Kiev series say that if you're having Siri read, your emails, you have Serey read it, and she goes. And next. I'm sorry. But you just statistics this this me. Even worse have been on the. But at least you could not you can't much. Oh, that's really funny. Okay. Our call today, we are in the middle of our co video mailbag month every episode is a question from you. It's time for the Cova Neo mailbag where Bill and Brian do their best to answer your questions or make something up. That sounds good. Hey, Bill and Brian. This is Scott from Louisville Kentucky. So Hello from just across the river. I have been serving with an on profit now for about two years developing partnerships between churches and our ministry once I realized this is really kind of be to be sales. I started researching sales training resources and euros podcast has been one of the most valuable tools that I found the variety in the episodes, and the consistency of listening. Every week keeps me learning new things all the time probably one of the most valuable things I've learned from you guys is to put my big boy pants on and make a phone call instead of hiding behind Email just in the last six months, this has seriously increased my effectiveness in communicating with clients enclosing the oils. So thank you all so much for that advice. One thing. I would appreciate for you all to share about is the value of the social media platform linked in in my position in nonprofit Christian ministry. I'm not exactly sure how to utilize this tool. I hear you all mentioned it in almost every episode. But I haven't heard you actually, explain the tactics. How to use Lincoln as a tool I've always thought of it as a platform for an online resume builder that people only use when they're looking for a new job. So if you could discuss why Lincoln is a valuable tool, and then share some ideas of how to use it that would be really helpful. Thank you guys. Keep doing what you're doing. Do you want to know how to send powerful video Email for your free trial? Good advanced selling podcast dot com forward slash co video and send us your toughest questions to listener at advanced selling podcasts dot com. Great question, Scott. Thank you for sending that in. And yes, you are right across the you're right across the river from some of Brian's old haunts. Those are my people. Those are my people I grew up on that river was in that river that river has a smell in there. I was multiple times and grew up I bathed in that river, the Ohio river that runs in between Indiana, Kentucky state border, and there's lots of bad jokes. Both ways Kentucky in and Hoosier jokes back and forth and good people levels. Good people. Good people. Evansville, people will scoop. I was coming back from Nashville the other day, and I stopped it Jeffersonville now. He'll right across the right across the river from Louisville. It was a little cigar bar there. Right down by the river. Now, it was way too cold to be sitting outside. I've heard a lot about it. So I stopped. They're really nice really people in there. So you'll get a to get one. I did got one and and spent forty five minutes, then headed north I like it. Okay. So the question here is how show shall he? Or any of us use linked, and we talk we talk about linked ten a lot. We probably need to do an episode just on that. Although maybe this will suffice at least for a while. So Brian why don't we start with how you see linked in? And I'll share how icy linked in. And and maybe there's some common themes, and I think we do have slightly different approaches. Yeah. And I think this is a good topic because Bill and I do come from different camps. And they're not they're not competitive camps. It sound like he thinks it's one thing. I think it's the other there there were both right. If. For lack of a better term and they're both good and they're parallel tracks. And so don't think of this. You do one or the other you do both of what he knows about. So my primary use and the primary use that. I coach my clients. The primary use of lengthen for my clients is to find connections to warm meetings. That's the primary thing to do to find connections to warm meetings because we've all had the debate of the coal call debate. And I'm just a fan of if I can I want to warm up conversation. I'd much rather meet Bill through Travis than to try to get to Bill without knowing him at all. Okay. So that's how I would see the platform as a wonderful wonderful way to find warm connections into places to go get meetings for sales calls, and so then in that with that strategy there is a constant attention to bringing in new tribe members. Yup. And also connecting with people who already in your tribe where you see that they're linked to somebody. I first or second order absolutely for sure. So so are you going to get into that later late? Okay. Give your platform. We'll get into the idea. So I think that is a great way to think about Lincoln Lincoln started to me it started as. A place to network and a place to connect online. And there was a lot of resume stuff and a lot of job seekers and searchers and there still are. But I think it's way grown past that it's gone. But, but I think also in the last couple of years, it's become a really legitimate media platform to it's got a if you can shoot video you can't do live video, but you can video you can upload audio as video. There's also, you know, you've got your stream just like you do on Facebook. But it's in the business community. So I think it fits what we do. And if it's a lot of our listeners to so I think you have to look at linked in not just as a connection platform, but is a media platform where you can produce really good quality content. You can share your wisdom share your perspective share mistakes, you can promote. But I think you've got to be careful about having everything you do be promotional because at some point people. Stop watching this. Yeah, they do. And I think that's great. I agree with Bill to wonderful platform to position yourself as an expert share great Khan. Went with people thing get to know you before they get to know you. So I'm going the angle of trying to get a meeting even better if you've got some supporting video or posts up there that allow people to get to know you also that make it even more warm and easier when you get there for the first time. Yeah. So let's get into some tactic. Okay. Good. Yeah. So and and I'm talking to everybody on the deal here in everyone's going to have different acumen for Lincoln. So for some of you, this is going to be kind of basic foundational stuff or some of your brand new either way. So the first thing is and I'm going to do this right now. 'cause I can I'm gonna ask everyone listening to this show to send Scott Slater a connection request. Let's everybody that listens. To this episode is named to Scott Slater SLA TR's in Louisville Kentucky works in a nonprofit ministry. So you're gonna see some stuff about his ministry there. And he's got a lot of money, and he was sell Scott something, so Scott is instantly gonna have about ten thousand connections, just by listening to this deal. But I wanna show Scott the power of these connections because what starts to happen, Scott as you start to connect them more. People you're gonna find accidental connections. You didn't know existed now that doesn't always occur. But I can almost guarantee when you really start to blow up your connection base. You're gonna find people. That are connected that you didn't know they were connected, for instance, if you're trying to raise money from some foundation in Louisville, and you connect to me, and you and all of a sudden, we see that a guy that used to live up here in Indianapolis, it moved to Louisville is on the board there, and you would have never known that had you not seen that. We're connected on Lincoln. So the step one is to get as many Lincoln connections. As you can I'm a little away from the to know all of them that was kind of the old school. I had a client. I won't give a talk on Friday. And I was talking about linked in. And she goes, I probably got your connection requests. But I didn't accept it. Because I didn't know you. She's a salesperson. That's the old school thinking, the new school think is if I look safe if you looked at my profile and not some set a creepy stalker. Gag legitimate stuff. And we've got, you know, seventy eight mutual connections. I'm probably safe. Yeah. That's the neither. Okay. So what you really don't know. Even then. I mean, I don't mean no on the negative. But it could be somebody. You look and say, well, geez. There's just a college student. They're graduating from UCLA. I mean, I don't really, but you don't know who the father is mother is through their connected where they're getting ready to going. That's right. Exactly. Exact. So I think you've got to be careful about while. I don't know them. So I'm not going to accept have really good. Yeah. That's my first bit. So and and Scott, you wanna everyone needs to be about five hundred that's kind of the Monica they stopped counting so to speak and Scott's at sixty. So after this episode goes he's going to get the five hundred about a week and a half at the least, I think. Okay. So Scott, here's another thing. I think you have to this kind of goes back to my platform thing. Just imagine that you're holding a conference, and you've got a thousand people thousand of your target audience in in the room. And you're pitching, you not for profit funding gifts gifting things like that. And they're there for the whole day. You wouldn't go in at eight o'clock and serve coffee and breakfast and deliver a thirty minute speech like. A stem winder, you get them all excited, and then not say anything else the rest of the day. Now, you would not you would not do that you you might you might say look I'll come back at four thirty and tell them I appreciate them coming, but they came for the whole day. What are they going to do the whole day? So I think that's the same way you have to look at your media platform like link, Dan, I think you have to continually nourish and nurture the people who are in your platform soon. Now, sixty soon to be six hundred you need to give them something that is valuable. That's insightful that offers your perspective it could be on. If you give money to I presume to I don't know. I shouldn't make that presumption to churches or the money is used in some way to help the disenfranchised say, yeah, then go out and interview some of those people who have been helped by this funding and make make these stories something that you can. And we'll talk about that in a minute. But the point is go produce something and go get something up there on a consistent basis. Not once. A month. Not once a week. You got to be much more active than that. I'm doing three times a week. That's not even enough. I think I need to go every day. We're we're going to be getting at that. You cannot just do it. When you feel like you have to do it consistently have to. That's great advice. Got what else I would say for Scotus? But everybody has this. So be careful, but because he's this perpet- purpose driven mission. He's got such so many stories to tell the guy went to seminar. I guarantee he's got lots of stories. So Scotla those stories come up if you went to, you know, I don't know if you've ever been on the pulpit, but I'm guessing based on your background, you probably preach a little bit. You know, preach within reason, you know, to degree on your purpose on what you're doing on. Why people should know about what your purpose and your your company's purposes. And it's a great message to send. So gotta have the original piece of content. The bible. Wasn't that the cornerstone conto? Content. We talk about that in the personal brand makeover kit. The Pitta me, of course. Yeah. I have these these three tablets to bring you the. Ten commandments. That was that was the history of the world part one. Right. His world. Yeah. Right. When he would depart bringing you the fifteen and he dropped the most was the ten to fifteen very funny. Okay, next. I'm going to get real tactical here is you need to start to linked into anyone that you're going to meet before you meet them most people wait till after they meet someone to connect with them. So they'll go have the meeting then after the meeting they'll hit him up on linked in don't do that always do it beforehand because what you give yourself the chance to do is to find little report building elements that you didn't know. And so for instance, I might look on Scott's profile and find some common connection that I didn't know that the two of us had because I went on Lincoln before we met, and I'm not a fan of doing cheesy. You know, fake report building like don't walk in the guy's office. And there's golf stuff everyone say play golf, right? But if there's something genuine this legitimate. I've gotten to link. And messages from guy that were generic that didn't respond to and I finally got one. And he mentioned in there that he's a longtime high school football referee, another guy over it was over like, and I wish you would have put that first because we have this news special connection because that's one of my he was making it work. He was. Yeah. He probably don't wanna drop it to Sony wanted to save it for the clothes for the. Yeah. But this search tool, and all you do is you look for people. You're gonna go meet or people in Iraq with you. Find mutual connections. All this can be linked and you just search for it. And then you'll find a place where it says mutual connections and click on that. And you see the people of that. You're connected to see can bring those people up or you can also look in the in the kind of the resume part where they grew up where they went to high school, sometimes college all that stuff. I'll bet you that. If all of our listeners went back to two thousand eighteen and looked at all of the people that they had appointments with phone calls with meetings presentations, whoever whoever you came in contact with during two thousand eighteen I bet if you go back only half of those people will be in your Lincoln group that that that's so true. Because I think we just forget so true. And it just drives it's not second nature. Now it needs to be asked to be. So that might be an exercise is if you feel like, oh, no. It's just go Tesco's go test the month of January and say, yeah, you know, what I met twenty people, and I've only got three in there and. I will tell you. And you know, there's a lot of debate about this. I don't carry business cards anymore. And we do the card changing thing, you know, people were headed to get Dan, though, this is old school. Here's a card. I said that's cool. I said, I'm a Lincoln guy. Just do it only ten so I'll look that'd be the business to get from me. And that's it. You know what? I mean. They have good. Okay. Here's something that I think you should all do, and it it's not going to make a massive difference like posting everyday will. But I think it can make a minor difference. And that is on your linked profile page shoot. Video of you looking directly at the camera talking about your background while you're in the business. You're in what you hope to accomplish in it. And if someone wants to make a call and have a meeting with you, what that meeting might look like this is a two to three minute video. It's really easy. You can do it on your iphone, probably better. If you have a decent, Mike, and some lighting, but it doesn't even just get something up there. But put her on your profile because here's what you can do. Then when you get ready to meet with somebody and like, Bryan said. You go to invite them to be the follow that won't be trying to say invite them to link before the meeting can act if they go and look at your profile, they will see this video. And when they see the video, and they'll watch it prophet, probably or maybe. And now, they get a sense of who you are even before you've shown up. So now, the first time you show up is the second time they've seen you witness Jew and consumed you so I think there's a there's a place there, you can just shoot the video you can put as many videos as you one up. They're not in the stream I'm talking about in the profile. So that if you want to link those videos to people in your Email Sigler line or something you can do that. But it just provides so much opportunity for you to have good content up there. You can do a PowerPoint if you want, but I I like that intro video just looking at the camera Sanam Bill Caskey in them. It's a little bit about me. It's beautiful. Yep. Last thing I'm going to give you as far as tax Bill thing to do here, Scott. And for everyone else listening is a big fan of using this technique. I call. Swarming. I may have mentioned it in a podcast before. But Lincoln swarming. Sounds weird. But it's not if you're going to call an organization, I'm a fan of you putting in the search box that organization that you're gonna go call on and trying to find all of the second level connections. So those would be people that you're one removed from not the third levels, but the second levels and just start to connect with as many of those people's you can't this is once you're calling on the organization's let's say you're gonna call Red Cross of of Louisville. Let's say like that. So I'm going to do this put Red Cross Louisville in my little search box here. Red Cross a Louisville, maybe fat, thumbs go, and I'm going to find anyone can that's a second level connection and start to connect with them. All right. And then that's called swarming. What happens when you swarm company went you'll start to people will start to accept the imitations, then you'll be connected to fifteen or twenty people at Red Cross of Louisville. And when you do that, you're safe you're like the men plus you expand your reach within that. Organization from a knowledge standpoint, you get to know the people where they came from maybe surprise mutual connections. You know, you didn't have that's called swarming. It's a really really really effective way to get to know accompany and to get kind of on the inside of a company from a farm, and it's not trickery or because you've got good intentions always. And these are people that you're probably going to be calling on anyway. Yeah. So that's perfect for him to absolute for him. Well, that's all I had I had a few more things here. But I think I think if you do those two or three things that Brian has talked about the couple of things that I recommended you will just start to notice a difference in the vibe and the energy of your linked in profile. Yes. And it does take time. It's like anything else. It just got to keep making deposits. But if you do these things just start starts slow, and then we'll come back maybe in a few weeks, and we'll do another Lincoln episode where we get a little bit more advanced. But this is hopefully helpful to you, Scott. Thanks your question. We appreciate it a lot and he's final. He's going to get a billion request now that separated so you're gonna unique get ready to go to make sure. People know, you're from advanced selling podcast and you'll see you have connections. You didn't even know routes. Like, I didn't know you listen to the podcast on my gosh. Yeah. Only that'll happen. So it's good. If you have got a meeting coming up, we are on the road. Send us an Email listener advancing podcast dot com. Put in the subject line, come see us. We're headed out southeast mid west out west down south everywhere in between me Bill together. Best bang for your buck. He want either of the one of us. We can come also individually all you do is send an Email listener advancing podcast dot com. Click comes just subject line, and we will start the process by.
#561: You Lost the Deal But You Are Not a Loser
"In this episode of the Advanced Selling Podcast bill tells an interesting jury duty story we continue to distance our millennial audience members with yet another seventies eighties music reference. Prince and we take a lesson from the losers discuss how to handle it. When I lost a deal I should have won. Welcome everybody to the advanced selling podcast. The longest running sales training podcasts and sales training podcast history. My name is Brian. Neal Bill Cassidy Bill is reaching Ching for the volume control on his headphone which means I'm talking too loudly. That's what that means. It's always means that I'm too hot in the Mike. Hey some view listened and executed on something. We ask you to do a couple of weeks ago. So we're GONNA ask you again. <hes> we've had lots of new listeners. We've got a big email list a pretty big <hes> I would say and now we're going to invite you who may be new to the show and having a plug yourself into our <hes> email database yet go to this website ultimate pre-game dot com go to ultimate pregame.com. All you need your email there. You'll actually get a really cool tool that you can use that will help you prepare for sales calls that alone is awesome and then you'll be kind of in the mix and when we have <hes> products that we're offering to you people is and things like that also if you haven't been to our website lately we have revamped revamp that way. We don't make a big deal out of a we've got a new launch but it's <hes> it's a lot better and so it gives you a chance to engage with a show uh-huh to connect with different episodes and kind of decide where you want to begin. If you're brand new to the podcast we would suggest you go there. Yeah advanced selling PODCASTS DOT com website and then and then those who've been around for a while like you know. I haven't checked out the products page and see what these to the offered me to. We've got the old brand makeover. We still got that up branding makeover over if you're looking to do personal branding for US sales pro that's up there all in is a great program all of our listeners would that's really really good you. GotTa get all in and others others and <hes> winning the buyers brain we did last year with Brian. Gray and that's a really good webinar. That's up there for sale. Better go to the website. Bring your credit card and Dan O'Brien. You know that I was chosen for jury. Actually I wasn't chosen for jury duty. I was chosen for the jury pool to decide the jury and this was a heinous crime that happened down in your neck of the woods down in southern Indiana and they had to move the the the the venue because of all the pretrial publicity and all that well the thing happened five years ago this dude. It's been sitting in prison and finally they decided to. I don't know why five years but anyway so I was jury. Have you ever been. I've never been doing a jury who I've been called and they say hey no exactly. I've had that happen plenty of times but yeah well basically if there's one hundred people there actually there were four hundred told about one hundred people there and they call you up twelve at a time to the jury box so you're all in the gallery you're in the courtroom and the defendants their attorney attorney to law teams are there and <hes> so. I was juror number forty okay and they call you by your number not by your name. Do you wear your number. Is it like a race in your where at high shut up be serious. SORTA got yeah <hes>. You were pleased to save that juror number forty please. I had thought thought that we had talked about this case on the podcast which which was a no no because you're if you're a juror. You're really not supposed to know much about the case well all my little fingers got moving on on the Google machine prior to the trial knowing and so I'm like I'm going to find out about that well. You're really not supposed to do that and so I got excused from the jury box because I said I know I know a lot about this. It was even featured one day on the advanced selling podcast. The fence attorney looks at me and says you forty you're out so I listened to ban selling podcast. Your honor and I know this man mentioned this case <hes> on the advanced selling podcast. I heard it myself you're out. I think the defendant listens but anyway it was a gruesome trial. I'm glad I'm not a part of it. The the <hes> conclusion of it was that you had to be sequestered for fourteen days. Gosh and sequester doesn't mean you. Don't get to talk to people you are. Shut off from everything you you. Don't have your phone. Nothing computer well mattered anyway but <hes> you can't watch TV. You can't do anything to Jeffersonville days in well. I started to see the person next to me. I said I would be convicted of murder. After days. I would've shot somebody for myself. I couldn't imagine imagine that now so they won't pay your forty bucks. Forty Bucks a day and my day fee is a little little so they went down the finish up the story. They opened the arguments Thursday. The first full day the prosecutor called three witnesses one of the witnesses referred to something thing in the past of the defendant and they had a mistrial oh my so they have to start all over again three hundred more jurors to find twelve that that can stomach what they were about to stomach. Ambi sequestered in Jeffersonville. That's the problem I mean. It's one thing if you to to serve twelve to fourteen days or what but it's another thing to be away from your family away from civilization of the people that have jobs can't do that now as what they do. is they make up something. I oh I didn't legit but they make up something as to why they can't serve. Yes it makes it very strong political comments or something. They don't get picked then there. Are Those people who forty bucks a day sounds pretty good one. I'll do that of course in the days in free. Food Free Food Free Jimmy Johns Eleven people closest friends. I remember remember one guy on the on the pool well. Let's we'll talk about that. Let's talk about doing podcasts. Bill caskey goes to jury duty. Write a book. How's that I'll get the picture up here. I like online all right so here's the topic today. <hes> you know. I do some <hes> a fair amount of asking my email list. What are the biggest problems problems and of course you're in coaching and you get all this all the time and so I asked question the other day the biggest heartache. What's the biggest heartache that you face in sales not just I would like lead generation? What's the biggest heartache and the biggest heartache came back with this answer. I lose a deal I should've gotten or or I lose a deal that I owned. I thought I had it and slipped out of my hands at the last minute would you would you agree. Mr Neil you that that is a painful scenario so move. It's the worst it's the worst because you as you go through the process. There are things that cause you to start to think that in most of us have a very legitimate reason to think like we've been through. We've got TA talked everybody. Everyone the process. We've done all the right things and as much as we at the advanced selling podcast tell you not to do this. It's hard not to as you know. It's not until one of our things around here and we let ourselves. Get Away and then you get no so then what happens. Is you fall further so it's a harder fall. If I lose a deal up early in the process it's not that big a deal. Get get so much invested worse than that that I thought that the expectation was there that I heard he won and it's really really bad I my daughter's volleyball team the kind of rebuilding their road good high school program here in Indiana and the rebuilding after a couple of years of being down and I was great volleyball match the other night between other really good team and I noticed at one one thing our team does is when we have a really good either a really get kill what appears to be a good kill or really good block when you're playing another good team. Most teams can't handle it up. Our team would cheer not because of the hip because they thought they won the point in person on the other end would dig the ball and now we're still in the senior clap into Birmingham over multiple times. I'm going. We need to probably wait until wrath. Graf blows his whistle and points before we cheer I get I get the reaction to a good clear good. It wasn't just reaction to a good hit. It was a reaction I could. You can tell right when the team team things they want. We were so relieved. Totally one that point so I think this is a fantastic. I look forward to <hes> conversing with further well. Let's converse with each other right now. They'll dialogue dialogue a little bit who saying it's a heartache. It's it's Bonnie Bonnie Bonnie Tyler ooh ooh how about that one kid's be Neil for pulling that out of his Cathedral Irish. The millennials listened to us. Just must be so thankful. They're like Oh. This is crap. My Dad used to listen to it. <hes> that's a great song by the way so. I've got three here getting back to you're worse at hand okay. So why don't you go first and this is advice that we would give us either. If you have a deal that you are banking on on yes or to prevent this crap from happening future first thing as a thinking thing you've gone through this process. You thought you one you'll lose at that point. It doesn't matter anymore. Sometimes I think people think that it still matters and to the point where sometimes they'll actually beat themselves up for losing a deal that they thought they won and so. I think it's really important this point to accept the loss. <hes> and it's over like that's it. The game is over. You lost like it's done too. Many people want to keep going and they wanna make excuses and sometimes again. I think the real danger here is that they start to beat themselves up and feel bad about what they did or think that they made a mistake or they screwed up and they're no oh good. They got rejected or people. Don't want to do business with them. All this crap that doesn't do any favours at all so he gets real important to get clean as quickly as you can. I'm not saying don't process but you gotta get clean quick like it's over okay. I lost then you can go into some of these things. I think we're GONNA talk about doesn't matter once it's done. It's done so you might say reflection. flections okay self-flagellation is not we're. GonNa leave that story. It's really good stories before. We decided that we're not a podcast worthy but they were really funny. We're not going to go there though not we're not going to. I like reflection. My first one is it's never over and the instant. Id should be a trigger warning for us. When we start counting the Commission Checker. We start calculating. Well you know what if I could if I get this. If you start to assume that it's over that's a danger sign and because you can't help but give off that vibe plus. I think you come off the accelerator. Greater a little bit. I think you you start to get into coast mode and there's always somebody who if you're competing against other vendor. They're sitting around strategizing strategizing okay. It looks like it's going to the neal and Caskey but how do we rest wrestle. It away from them always strategy throwing their sweetening the pot through throwing deals together. It's never over never count on it. Being over until the you know the contract is signed even then it's not over. I'm an argue that that is true so I wrote down here. I'm GonNa just keep going now. We're passing a baton and this is like a relay race. Bill just handed me the baton. Now I gotta run my two hundred and we'll see how we do well well. We didn't do very good. When I came up. I ran the two hundred high school. I had to stop with yards to set bad. Ah I know like why is the guy stopping this taking a breath catching my breath here. I put no never forever and here's the deal when someone else wins. All the pressure is on the winner. People don't don't remember don't they forget that part that even when we win a deal we always talk about the hard parts just getting going yeah like joke like like in the referee and business get to the NFL is really hard. Staying there is harder yeah. It's one thing to get their center to stay there. I believe this to be true in the sales game to contract to sign all the pressure for performance on I think combining what you're saying is we then can't just let it go here. No because the thing may not go as well made the bad a- bad wrong choice and the hardest time is in the first year when they're getting to know the company so so don't go away. Don't know do not do that knows never forever and all the pressures on the winner. Remember that and you can be right there to catch anything that goes wrong but don't you think we live in a thirty thirty days. Sixty days ninety day world when the deal goes away was like screw that man I got to move on and we literally do lose track of it. We don't track for sure and so we're not we don't we don't have this long-term perspective. We've had we've had the relationships we develop these good. We've talked to people. We've we understand understand the company a little bit. Don't let that go to waste by never calling these people now. Can I go go ahead <hes> while I'm going to comment on that. Not even one of my things here is that there's an an interesting delicate balance here between our philosophy that we teach her about the abundance of a marketplace and healthy detachment for outcomes and being able to stay and pursue something thing that you've apparently lost. There's a balance between that. The the golden rule the thing that cleans it all up is your intention which we talk about here so my intention hitching even after. I lose a deal. My intention is still the Serb someone whatever way shape or form that takes so I take that I don't look at it as I'm trying to get them or do anything or sell them or convince them. I want to serve them and I might serve him with a connection. I might introduce them to a new customer or whatever it just keeps me near Bio. That's the main thing <hes> keeps me nearby so don't take take the lesson. There is if you listen to podcasts regularly don't take abundance and attachment to seriously too far the other way whilst that one goodbye never again yeah. That's that's a dangerous dangerous and I think I think we're all guilty of that a little bit okay. Here's another one that I have and it's I think sometimes when when we start the sales process where good if you've been listening to Brian I for a long time we get we get cards and letters all the time to say you know I've been listening for years and it's really changed my approach. I think when you first start listening you hear you hear US talk about this idea of WHO's selling whom and who's selling whom is we talk about because it shouldn't be you selling the prospect. It should be the prospect selling you on why they need you on what their issues are. It's not that you're sitting around waiting for them to call you of course but the question is who's auditioning for WHO's play and if they are they need to be auditioning for you rather than you as a vendor auditioning for them and sometimes I think the further on in the sales process it goes the more we get so oh comfortable we get familiar that we stop having them audition yes and we we don't we remove the filter and we say oh. You're in. You're a friend you know we've been yuck ended ended up the contracts coming in so but you can't you have to still be auditioning and if they start to say things or do things that don't feel right you've got you've got to raise the filter up. Get Yep have to last thing for me. Is You got to watch the tape. You got to watch. The film is comes from the sports world. I know but it's so valuable. You have to go back and look with in a healthy manner. If you cleared the other stuff out and say okay you know what what's the deal here. How how can I get better looking your inputs and look at your thinking inputs media behaviors. You did look at your thinking to try to find blind spots. That's a good one. That's really good if you haven't done so already go to <hes> ultimate pregame dot com and make sure that you're registered heard on an email list and then check out our new website podcast dot com and go. Just you know look around see what's there. We've got some new product stuff up their new <hes> ways to get a hold of us and talk to Louis and all that jazz and then we will look forward to talking to you next time on the event selling podcast backed by.
Amy Hess: Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity
"I do solemnly swear that I will support defend the constitution of the United. States against all enemies foreign investor. That I will bear to faith and allegiance to the scene that I. Take this obligation freely about any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and fully discharge the duties of the Office on which I am about to enter. So help me God help me God so God. Welcome to the youth I'm Chuck Rosenberg and I am honored to be your host for another compelling conversation with a fascinating guests from the world of public service this week. My guest is has the highest ranking woman in F. B. I. History. Amy Grew up in Jeffersonville Indiana a small town just across the Ohio River from Louisville Kentucky as a child. Amy Dreamed of being an astronaut. She studied `aeronautics astronautical engineering at purdue. Amy is a rocket scientist, but poor eyesight dashed her NASA dreams instead. Amy Got her start in the FBI as As a special agent in Kansas City working violent crime cases, she was one of the first agents in her office to be part of a new evidence response team, and won her first assignments as part of that team was to Oklahoma City, because of the horrific domestic terrorism attack on the Murrah Federal. Building in Nineteen ninety-five. Amy Rose through. FBI RANKS TO RUN THE MEMPHIS AND LOUISVILLE field offices, and to run to large divisions at headquarters where she oversaw FBI technology in one job and the FBI's criminal and cyber work in another. Today she is back home as the Chief of Public Safety for Louisville Kentucky where she manages several vital city agencies and they'll retired from the FBI. Amy Continues to serve Amy Hess welcome to the oath. Thank you great to be here well. It's great to be Anura. Town Louisville Kentucky welcomed local. You grew up right across the Ohio River in Jeffersonville Indiana now. I did suburb of level located right across the Ohio. River, so tell me about that. Jeffersonville is a great place to grow up. I had a I think basically idyllic childhood. I went to Jeffersonville, high school public school. Yes I was fortunate enough to grow up on the end of cold sack, surrounded by neighborhood, full of boys who like to play football and baseball and basketball, and all those things and my dad was lawyer. My mom was a what they call a homemaker the time, but she was really a professional volunteer, and we had a great neighborhood neighbors looking out for each other. It was one of those. Essentially Norman Rockwell paintings. I think you're the youngest of five four older siblings. That's right. My Dad actually had four children by his prior marriage, and so my mother inherited for children between the ages of like three and eleven when they got together, growing up with a bunch of boys on the block became pretty good athlete. If I didn't learn how to play sports in clearly, I wasn't going to have friends or play outside, so I learned pretty quickly that if I wanted to have a social life than I should learn how to play these things, so in addition to sports, of course see we played army in. We played cowboys and COPS and robbers. This was how my childhood was spent older siblings. They're all athletes, and so that helped to. Mostly they were into swimming and track, so I decided growing up that I was. Was not going to do swimming or track, because they were really good at it and I wanted to at least build some self confidence by doing something completely different your own path that's right and that was volleyball tennis volleyball tennis, actually softball unfortunately. I couldn't do both tennis and softball the same time, so I picked tennis and volleyball is my team sport. Even before you got the high school? There's a story you tell about yourself when you were eleven year old girl visiting Washington DC with your mom. Mom and dad and they took you on a tour of the FBI. We used to have family vacations every year, and that particular summer we went to Washington DC. Of course there are lots of really cool things that I saw as an eleven year old including the Smithsonian I remember so much about that trip. He could tour the White House at the time without you know having to go through all of the things you go through now I always in awe of all of these things that I saw. saw in the nation's capital and I just thought that was really cool, but the coolest thing was. We got to tour. The J Edgar Hoover Building, which is the home of FBI headquarters in Washington, and at that time the FBI laboratory was located inside that building, so we walked through and watch behind the glass, the forensic scientists conducting their work, we also walked down to the level where they had the firearms range, and we got to watch behind the glass as they did some shooting in trick shooting and We got to see the museum artifacts and things along the way, and had a great tour guide, and just remember distinctly I thought. This is so cool. I WANNA BE AN FBI agent. How much cooler could it be? It would be really cool, but there was another thing that you aspire to be when you were an eleven year old girl. Yes, that was to be an astronaut. Because the space program was really taking off at that time, and as I went toward high school. That's when the space shuttle program really started to gear up. And around that same time as when Sally. Ride became the first. US Woman in space. It made an indelible impression on me. Here's a woman, a girl who like me, but she's an astronaut. I wanted to be an astronaut or FBI agent I know you went to purdue, one of the finest engineering programs in the nation and that you are let me make sure I get this right, an errand, nautical and astronautical engineer. That's right. You're a rocket scientist. Basically. Yes, that's really cool to. Tell me about the program at purdue and you studied and sounds like you're still pursuing the dream of becoming an astronaut. When I was growing up I was in school. I was a good student. Fortunate enough to have great teachers, people who just encouraged me and my parents, of course as a result I had this aptitude toward science and math I thought science math was pretty, neat, my guidance counselor suggested that I look into engineering. And of course like I said by the time I was thinking about this whole space, program and astronaut. Looked! Engineering schools and purdue is not only one of the top engineering schools in the country, but particularly in aerospace or aeronautical astronautical engineering, and it's the cradle of astronauts Neil Armstrong Gus Grissom, whole variety of astronauts have graduated from purdue I went up and visited the campus. My oldest sister went to purdue I went up there and visited her and I thought that was a pretty neat. NEAT place if I was going to go to school someplace in an engineering program of course, my dad was thrilled because it was in state tuition, but I was thrilled because I had everything at one place. It's everything I wanted to be and purdue as a phenomenal experience. Now you are wonderful, high school student, but I think you told me the engineering program at purdue hard very hard. How is it when you're a good student in high school? And you get your confidence up and you're thinking I can do this volleyball story or a tennis star. Your top ranked in your high school class academically bright, and then you go some place where? All the kids had those qualifications. They were all great students, and they all add exceptional backgrounds and Bona vp's and now all of a sudden. You're kind of average, and now you're surrounded by these people in you're thinking. Oh, my Gosh! Wow! Overnight eight now. All of a sudden gotta work at this I mean this is not easy, so what I learned in that experience. You can't rest on your laurels. No matter what you've done in the past, it doesn't matter. It's what you're doing looking forward and what you're doing in your current environment. Look at what you're surrounded by today. Don't think backwards, but you struggled in the program I did and as result I started to question myself and my choices because I thought. Wow, maybe this astronaut thing isn't GonNa work out or this engineering thing isn't GonNa work out I remember. My Dad visited campus. My Mom and dad visited campus one day. and. I told my dad I said I'm thinking about changing majors. And he said to what I said well I've been taking general educational electives in sociology and criminal justice and might switch to that because you're still thinking that perhaps you'll be an FBI special agent. Right as always in the back there. I thought actually that he was going to be mad I thought that you know he's sending me to one of the top engineering schools in the country. I'm supposed to get a degree in engineering. And thought he'd be upset. That I was suddenly changing that trajectory and he didn't. He just listened. and. He just said Oh. You do what you think is appropriate. When you stuck in the program, I did you graduated I did and through that process I, had at standing experience, because I after the first semester was selected for produce coop program. WHAT'S THE CO-OP program? So the co-op program is something. A lot of universities do and including purdue and the idea is you get to work a semester and then go to school semester so alternating semesters? You do this for about five. Semesters and about five school semesters extends the time that it takes you to graduate by about a year, but well worth it because you're gaining work experience at the same time. You're going to school, so I got to work every other semester. Go to school on the alternate semesters. And as part of my work, I went to Houston Texas and I got to work at a contractor for the NASA. Johnson Space Center is called. IBM Space Systems Division. And the program, the four of the five onboard shuttle computers for the space shuttle at the time. That's what you were working on. It was I was one of many many many coders, people programmers who were programming in checking and verifying that software do like that. Not Particularly, but it's not always bad to learn that there's something you don't like. That's true because. The space program was such a draw a magnet for me, and it was amazing to be part of that and to be right across the street from NASA Johnson Space Center. I got to go over to mission control a few times. And how cool is that? But my day job was in a windowless room. there was all of about maybe. Ten Foot by twelve foot with one other person, and all we did was sit in front of computer all day long and verify software and write code. And I thought. I don't know that I can do this for the rest of my life I. Don't know that this is really what I want to do. Where were you when the Challenger shuttle exploded? I was doing coop program I was in Houston. I was working at IBM space systems. Division and I remember we were doing our programming or coding. In that little office me and this other co-op student and all of a sudden, we heard people run past the door and we knew the shuttle had gone up that morning. Because well, actually, it became so routine that you didn't really even pay that much attention to it. It wasn't a special occasion necessarily other than the fact that Christa. McAuliffe was on that particular shuttle mission in New Hampshire schoolteacher and she was not an astronaut by trade, but that made it special, but in that sense, it was just another. Shuttle mission, and so while we were still programming, doing our thing. All of a sudden everyone runs by the door and we're thinking out. Something happened. And that's when we found out that the shuttle had exploded. And at that point, really every contractor in the area was scrambling to figure out what happened in really wasn't our fault. Are we the ones responsible for it. Days later, the memorial happened the service and President Reagan flew in and came down NASA road one right in front of our building. With motorcade. Do you remember that motorcade? Absolutely, it was one of the most vivid recollections. We all lined the street and so many contractors in that area. We were all lining that NASA road one while the motorcade passed us and drove into NASA Johnson Space Center for the memorial service and the flyover with the missing man formation. It was very impactful. You figured out at some point. Amy that you didn't want to be an engineer. You didn't want to sit in a small room and code. Yeah I did that pretty quickly. I think during my co OP program didn't want a minute to myself I. still wanted to play all this out, but I realized that this is not really what I wanted to do, and you also determined that you couldn't be an astronaut. Why So at the time as I found out while I was working in Houston. To be an astronaut. You had to have twenty twenty uncorrected vision. Old Problem was I couldn't see the big e on the charge and I could barely see my hand in front of my face, uncorrected corrected and I realized quickly that while that's GonNa be a problem if they don't allow correction. To get to twenty twenty how I going to do that unless they change the rules, this is not really a thing. I can't really do this. And so then in that case of my okay with being an engineer. And my answer and my head was no I didn't know really what else I was going to do. So you've graduated from purdue or you're about to graduate. You'll have a degree in aeronautical and astronautical, engineering. You can't be an astronaut, and you don't WanNa be an engineer. Right exactly a little bit of a dilemma, but there's this thing in your life from your tour of Washington DC. It's an eleven year old girl. Yes I wasn't hundred percent convinced that was really a possibility. But it was always in the back of my head, so in the meantime while I'm in the state of confusion. I decided to apply for the MBA program at Indiana University which had a great reputation. I went there to get my Mba that was my intent and try to figure it out. Sounds like a bit of stalling tack. It was yes, it was. And in that first semester, I thought why am I not looking into the FBI White? Why am I not pursuing that? Let me at least check into it. And turns out. They were looking for scientists and engineers. At the time they were specifically targeting. People with science and engineering backgrounds. What about the vision thing? Amy You have to have good vision to be enough the special agent that's true, not as good as an astronaut and even better, it could be corrected to twenty twenty, so you were fine. I don't know that I'd use the word fine as my story goes, went in for my medical, and the nurse was very nice to me when I went in or initial medical screening. And, I believe the qualification was like twenty, three, hundred correctable to twenty twenty for your eyesight well, I wasn't quite twenty three hundred, but the nurse who was administering this test. Essentially had me look at the chart and she kept asking me she said. Can you see that and I said? Sort of she said if you squint, can you see it? And I. I said I could see a better she has. What are those letters? Look like to you and I read them off as best as I thought, I could, and she said close enough. You're in I'm in or at least you've passed that part of the yeah, there's a whole battery of things of course that happened after that, but that was the initial test. When did you get to Quantico as a brand new FBI special agent that was January of Nineteen Ninety one. It took me a little less than a year to process, which is quick, it is yes, in retrospect. I realized that now. That was pretty quick especially at that time. I didn't finish my MBA if I could do one thing over again, I would've I would've completed that degree, but. I go to Quantico and I am the second youngest person in my class class of forty two women. There were twelve women which was a lot at the time. We lost one on the first night. She just decided. It's not for her, but that very first day January twenty seventh of Nineteen ninety-one, it Sunday and we all are summoned to our classroom. And in our business close and we fill out paperwork and we take the oath of office. was at the first time you had taken the oath. Yes, it was. It was impactful meaningful. It was I. I was in awe. That I'm even here I'm at the FBI any just like in the pictures. The second thing is i. have this class full of these people who are so accomplished and as it turns out tremendous athletes to I thought I was a pretty good athlete, but these people are really good. It was intimidating quite frankly, it was awesome an intimidating at the same time, and so that made it surreal. Did you feel that it was awesome and intimidating during all of your training at Quantico, did you get over that? Now I pretty much thought that the whole time I had to really pinch myself to remind myself I. was there I also? Wanted to find things that I was good at I figured the academics would come fairly easily to me and they did. I mean I had to work at it, but I they did, but the one thing that I found that I was particularly good at that I wasn't expecting was firearms. You were the top gun in your graduating class at Quantico among the new special agents. What is that? Break Eight, so the top gun award is given to the. Top shooter, the person with the highest scores in Byrom string so everything from I from pistols to the machine pistols, rifles, other shotgun, and they take your scores, and all of those things, and they add them all up, and at the end of your experience there they see who has the highest score. The highest score gets the top gun award which is. A little ironic because I grew up in a household where we didn't have guns, I had no in my family that was in law, enforcement or the military before actually my sister. Who is six years older than I am? She went to the State Police Academy, but before that we had nobody in our class so before you got to Quantico to the FBI Training Academy. Had you ever handled a firearm? One time sisters firearm. She took me to range and I got to fire that weapon. What I was told later is that if you have bad habits to break your more trainable? So a lot of the people in my class, who had military or law, enforcement backgrounds had developed apparently some habits that were not easy to break them of and as a result of me, being more of a blank slate, and it probably wasn't hurt by the fact that in high school I had a propensity for going to the arcade when we had. Had Video Arcades. My mother gave me rolls of quarters. I think to keep me busy between the end of school in the beginning of practice, and so during that interim period I would spend a lot of time on these games that taught me hand eye coordination. What were you good at particularly the video arcade? Yeah, my favorites were Glagah. I liked centipede. Liked to joust. Those were some of my favorite games, and so you're attributing some of that to your marksmanship at the FBI. Academy I think so. It's a hand eye coordination thing when you graduate. Where are you assigned? I was assigned to Kansas City Missouri. How did that happen at that time? When you went through the new agents class, they gave you a list of just ten out of the fifty six field offices in the FBI. You had a wish list of ten topped in places. You want to go being from Jeffersonville Indiana, the area of Louisville. Louisville Kentucky I wanted to go to the beach because I enjoyed our beach vacations when I was growing up, so I thought that would be a coolest I meant, so you listed beach cities? Yeah, absolutely I listed are field offices in Jacksonville and Tampa and Miami and San Diego, and all these places along the beach I thought it'd be pretty cool. Unfortunately, whoever was making the assignments that day for the FBI totally ignored my list, and that happened it does it does they decided for whatever reason that they had a need in Kansas City Missouri that date. And I had never been to Kansas. City Missouri and up to the front of the Class Open my envelope to say where I'm going. And that's sort of the protocol at the protocol was walk up in front of the class, and you have a thumb tack with. Basically that's representing you. And there's a big map on the wall behind you. And, the idea was you. Put your thumb tack in the city where you're assigned and so as I'm reading this, it's big surprise. You Open the envelope and you say. Your Office of assignment is changed from which your process through Indianapolis because I was going to school in Indiana University in nap was Indiana to Kansas City Missouri, and then I took my thumb tack and I started at the Atlantic Ocean on the east coast and win across. Sorry going to the left and before I, knew it I was actually in the Pacific Ocean and I thought. How did I Miss Kansas City Missouri? Where is Kansas City? Missouri and I looked at. It was directly in the staple, and at that time it occurred to me. That law is equidistant from all beaches. These FBI people got to be pretty smart. This way I can get to any beach i. want the same amount of time or another way to look at it. They put you as far from every beach. Possibly could. They did do like it in Kansas City It was phenomenal. I couldn't ask for better assignment first of all, I thought that back to the science and engineering thing is going to be working something technical or I be working government fraud. There was a Boeing plant at that time in Wichita Kansas the Kansas City field office is responsible for half of Missouri, and all of Kansas. I thought while they'll have me working something. Government fraud technical related. Instead I was put on the violent crime squad. It was called the reactive squad. Reacts the crimes that have occurred. and. That's everything from bank robberies, fugitives, kidnappings, extortions I actually thought I. Hit the lottery. This is just like it is in the brochure I thought. This is really obviously i. have arrived where you still in all of the FBI. Absolutely, honestly I am still off the FBI. We're still intimidated, yes. Now. All of a sudden I, did pretty well in class, and my new agents class the Bung all these super stars I did I held my own, but now all of a sudden I'm a real field office with real FBI agents that have been doing this some of them a long time. And they're good at it. Now every new FBI agent gets a training agent. Who Was Yours? My trainee agent was a man by the name of Raja rates. He reminded me of Buford pusher and the movies walking tall other people say they remind him of John Wayne, but this is a guy who he referred to himself as the Sheriff at that tells you anything. He took this job really seriously. He loved the FBI, but he took the job of being a training agent very seriously. which by the way you don't get extra money for it's an ancillary duty it's it's something that's assigned you in addition to your caseload, and you're usually volunteered for it. You don't volunteer. He was assigned as my training Asian, and he had trained many others before me and after me. You told me he was a great mentor. He was why. He was a great mentor. Because first of all, he actually wanted to be a training Asian he cared. That I learned he cared that I became good at my job. He wanted me to be a good FBI agent and he wanted me to reflect well on the organization that he loved. And so as a result he took the time and the attention to do everything from creating my paperwork a lot i. don't know how many red pins he went through, but he corrected my paperwork and let's be clear. There's a lot of paperwork in the FBI tons of paperwork FBI. It is definitely paperwork heavy. He introduced me to. He introduced me to people inside the office outside the office. He taught me the basics even though I just gone to new agents class. It's not the same thing as actually conducting interviews when you're out in the real world and people react in ways. They're totally unpredictable to the way you think they may react and making arrests and writing up. Search warrants basically putting cases together following leads, and what steps to take in investigation. He coached me through each one of those things nickname. He did he called me Kermit? As, he did actually all of his trainees because. You're green. I was green I was new, and so his nickname for me for the first year I don't think he called me by my name. It was Kermit as in Kermit, the frog, Kermit, the frog, the famous muppet correct and after a year. You're no longer kermit. You became amy somewhere in that timeframe I transitioned graduated from Kermit Day my real name. Yes, there's a story about Roger the sheriff introducing. Introducing you not only to your FBI special agent colleagues and local law, enforcement, officers and judges and prosecutors, but to every professional staff employee of the Kansas City field office of the FBI. Yeah I, remember this David -Ly FBI has about thirty seven thousand employs about one third of which are agents. The other two thirds are professional, staff and analysts, and so the vast majority of the FBI are not special agents. They're all the people who are working behind the scenes to support investigations and to make those investigations happen. So the conclusion of taking me around to visit with all of the professional staff, we ended up in the management section. And the second highest ranking professional staff person in any field offices referred to as the supervisory administrative specialist or the SAS. When we walked into her office I noticed that she had a poster up on her wall, and it was that that famous picture of entitled the scream by monk. That's right. Above that she had a quote by Eleanor Roosevelt, which goes something like? No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. And above that someone had written in except agents. and. That struck me as Wow, why? Why would that be? Why? How can agents make you feel inferior? Why would agents make you feel inferior? Why would they want to? And it indicated to me that perhaps there's some kind of divide or some some kind of of cultural issue here. That I hadn't previously I hadn't thought about it was bracing. I think to me to see that and so I asked Roger about it. After we walked out of the room and I said what's up with the comment the edition on that quote? I remember distinctly. He said Kermit, he said. Let me tell you somethin'. Says Ucla's people just introduced you to today? All these professional staff employs. He's as these people. Can make sure you're successful in this job. And they can make sure you're not. You remember that FBI. Is A team sport. You don't accomplish anything by yourself. Do you think there are some agents who don't understand that. Unfortunately, a few, but very few I think the vast majority of the people in the FBI. Absolutely recognize it's team sport. You can't be successful without the cooperation coordination of your entire team on your tenure in the Kansas City field office on the violent crime squad. You had a remarkable case. Remarkable experience a defendant by the name of take. Beyer with you tell us that story. I was about three months in to my new job through still kermit I'm still kermit. Oh Yeah, Roger, for some reason I was not around that. We believe that he had taken some time off. I had pre scheduled vacation. And as a result, one evening, a call came in saying that there was kidnapped child. A man had visited his friend in Colorado from Rural Kansas during that trip, he had decided that the friend who had a daughter and that daughter had just had a child. He decided to take that baby because he and his wife wanted a baby, but they couldn't have one NACHOS. Take Baby. There's something else. He killed the mother, the young woman, the daughter of his friend. And he kidnapped the baby. It was an essentially a newborn just came home from the hospital and took the baby to his wife in rural Kansas. And at that point, we of course were notified. That this was the situation that was unfolding, our SWAT team had deployed first, and they had camped out surrounding the house, so still covert, not showing themselves. Just watch it just watching. And they determined that it appeared that only. Take. Meyer Ralph Take Meyer and his wife were the only occupants that they could tell inside that house, but they weren't hundred percent sure at this point. My squad was notified of course, and we were told to respond to this location, so one of the agents on that squad Bob Nevada. had been assigned to take me out to that location, so we were supposed to pair up and drive out to that location. We take the hour plus drive to get out to rural Kansan. We hatched this plan. where US and two other agents, we're going to make entry. We were going to go up to the door. We're going to knock and announce. And so the four of us now in the early morning hours go to approach the door. COURSE SWAT team is still surrounding US and providing. Cover your the entry team where the entry team. And so we're not sure what to expect because there's nobody around. There's no close neighbors or anything like that, so we're not sure if they know were coming to. They see us. Have they made our SWAT team? We don't know what to expect. Clearly, these people are desperate because he killed a woman and took her baby. Clearly he's not in his right mind to begin with. But as we approach the house, one of the other agents. Tall agent by the name Jerry. He he saw these puppies come out from around the corner of the House. And what we did know is Jerry was afraid of dogs. And so he pulls out the capstone. Which is pepper spray. He sprays it toward these puppies that are bounding toward us, and these are just puppies. Does they're just puppies? adorable sprays it toward these puppies, which unfortunately on a Windy Kansas morning. That blue right back in our faces, so all four of us now approaching this house gagging, coughing stuff was streaming out of our is explained for our listeners, who may never have been exposed to pepper sprayed just how powerful that is! Oh, it's awful in new agents class. What they would do at that time when I went through was, they would put us on a bus close all the windows I they've had us where gas masks, and then they would fill it with this chemical. And then the idea was that at the given time with the signal. You take the gas mask off and you take that first breath and all of a sudden. Everything shuts down. It's very physical visceral reaction. Your is slam shut now you're salivating. Your nose is running. Your eyes are watering. You can't breathe. You feel like you're gasping for breath and you just want out so as you're about to make entry into the Tig Meyer home. The entire entertain. The four of you are cupboard pepper spray. We are and as a result. Thank goodness there was. A lot of win that day so could have been worse. We could have been in an enclosed space, but still we are not in good condition to make entry to this house. Go in, we have to go in. We're already there already been exposed. They could have seen US right out the front window. Approaching by now we go up to the front door. We knock, announce ourselves and immediately as soon as we can get entry into that door, make entry. And I look over to the left, and there is his wife sitting on the couch with the baby. And so as much as I could see I walk toward the couch quickly with the other female agent, we ended up getting handcuffs on her arresting her, and then at that point I take the baby and I'm able to see that. She's covered in Lice. It was filthy. The whole house was it was covered in filth, took the baby, and then I was paired up with one of the SWAT agents, and we drove with the baby to Topeka Kansas where medical personnel rating for us and the media. Was the baby okay? She was thank goodness. One of the things that we. We're most concerned about was what kind of? Diseases or problems or even physical abuse that this baby hit endured, and as it turned out, she was fine. And when we got up to the courthouse in Topeka. The Assistant. Special Agent in charge of our field office told me he thought it would be idea if The baby for the cameras because the media was there to cover this recovery. This rescue of this kidnap baby. And so I didn't know how to do that. I was the youngest of five kids had not been around children, and so I actually had to ask the the court clerk's office to show me how to hold this baby. And once they did that I held the baby for the cameras to show that the baby was fine. She's been recovered. and. She was returned. To her family in Colorado. We get support from nets suite by Oracle. The world's number one cloud business system. America's ready to get back to work, but to win in the new economy. You need every advantage to succeed. SMART companies run on net sweet where they have visibility and control over their financials, hr inventory ecommerce more everything. You need all in one place. Whether you're doing a million or hundreds, millions in sales net sweet lets you manage every penny with precision. You'll have the agility to compete with anyone work from anywhere and run your whole company right from your phone. Net sweet surveyed hundreds of business leaders and assembled a playbook of the top strategies. 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Who Really I think for the first time for me? represented. True Evil. Up until that point I had in the first three months in my field office I had worked some other cases, bank robberies or extortions, but you could almost kind of see. These people were. It wasn't evil. They had made bad choices. They had done things for the wrong reasons, but a lot of times it was you know understandable. I suppose I'd always described it that most of the defendants I encountered as a federal prosecutor, greedy or reckless. Yes, but the see evil was extraordinarily rare. You would see it in the movies, but you didn't often see it in real life. Yes, that's exactly right and I think that was the first time that I was confronted. With? That wasn't the last. It wasn't unfortunately. There were other instances in. Not, only first office, but in all the wipe fill office. Simonsen headquarters assignments I'd had since then. And there's those cases that just when you hear about them, or you're involved in them. You stop and you think. How could somebody do that? There is no rationale. There is no justification. The only reason they would do that is because it's evil. Speaking of which in April of Nineteen, ninety five. You're still special agent in the Kansas. Field Office graduated from kermit status to amy status. And you're part of team called the evidence response team. Tell our listeners what. Evidence Response Team members do your it team members. Evidence response teams were sort of a newer concept new idea in the early nineteen nineties, because prior to that every agents. Essentially was trained in the basics of crime scene processing, but not given specialized training, and they more part of a team, a core group of people who had to undergo regular training and certification. And so the idea arose and started to populate all of our field offices, and the Kansas City field office formed. It's evidence response team in about nineteen, ninety to nineteen, ninety-three became a member I, did but. The main reason I became a member was not only because I thought it would be kind of neat to volunteer to take on these extra responsibilities, but also because I was dating the agent who was selected to lead the evidence response team for the Kansas City field office. Now your husband, that's right so as part of that are evidence, response team are little fledgling team. was still in the early stages when the Oklahoma City bombing happened our office of being one of the closest ones to Oklahoma. Was One of the first offices to be called to assist and I remember. We got that call early on the morning of April, nineteenth of nineteen five, the bombing occurred at. Nine. Oh Two am. We got the call within a few hours to say that we're going to need some down here and we need particularly your evidence response team, our team and the Dallas field office evidence response. Team were the first to to respond. Would you see? Well at first, we were told to stay away from the scene because they were a hundred percent. Sure what was going on a lot of things happening right then. Timothy McVeigh was ultimately stopped at a traffic. Stop a few miles north. Of there and there was a lot of confusion, and so they told US check into the hotel, and then go to the command post, the command post was located about a good ten blocks away. From the Alfred P Murrah Federal Building and so it wasn't until closer to that evening. When it became dusk, we were finally allowed to to approach the scene. We walked from his fairly cold, too, by the way was April, but and I didn't expect it to be that cold in Oklahoma in April, but it was. So, it was pretty brisk. We walked from the command post the ten or so blocks to the scene, and as we rounded the corner all of a sudden. The view up. And you're confronted with this large building, probably nine stories or more. And the whole front of it has been sheared off. It's gone. And you realize. The magnitude, the magnitude of what just happened and as you look around all these other buildings were in various stages of basically of being demolished, and you had cars that had been incinerated that were in the parking lot and it was. It was surreal. What about the smell? The first thing that struck me was arriving that evening was that. The smell of charred. Things of burnt vehicles or Or papers or buildings, or those types of things you smelled. You still feel the heat really from these things. And several days in continuous process. That's when the decay started his set in. And granted I had been on the evidence response team, and and we had done some for searches for some dead bodies. But it was nothing like that smell. That was an overwhelming smell of decay. that. We were faced with for that export days there was a daycare center in the mirror, federal building nineteen children were among the hundred and sixty eight. Victims. Yes. Back then they had daycares in federal buildings It was a change that was made after words that that was no longer the case, but. Our responsibilities was to search that location for evidence of responsibilities. The evidence response team looking for. Pieces of the barrels that were in the back of the Ryder truck that housed this ammonium nitrate fertilizer. You're looking for the bum for its components right or pieces of the truck. We're looking for little plastic pieces of the barrels wider blue plastic pieces of the barrel we had determined were in the back of this truck or pieces of the truck or pieces of fusing or anything that would help us put this together, and so as we gritted off the area, many many people were involved in the search and the recovery of victims, but then also the recovery evidence. And, so one of our areas that we had to search was the area of the daycare. And I remember we were searching that area. Is during the day, and you get very focused on what you're doing. You're looking at the ground. You're looking through blades of grass, or what's left of it? You're looking through rubble. You're looking through rebar. You're looking through concrete and artifacts for these little pieces of plastic or fusing pieces and I remember i. I looked up. At one point to see where ripe teammates were and what they were doing, and how he's getting a little too absorbed in what I was doing. Want to make sure that I checked up occasionally on status of everybody else. And I remember seeing one of our. Teammates who was actually also on the Swat team that time you could do, both of those things beyond the SWAT team in Ert. And I remember looking over at him. He was kneeling down on the ground and he was holding a baby's shoe. And I knew he had young children. And I watched as he just. Dissolved in tears. And it struck me at that point that. We're so engrossed in what we do. That, all of a sudden, it occurred to me that. What happened? The evil that happened there in Oklahoma City on April Nineteenth nineteen ninety-five struck me at that moment. While, we were there to do a job and we were doing our job. There real people. Those were real people who are going about their daily activities of until nine. Oh Two a m. they were having a normal life. And, then that changed because? Of this evil that infiltrated. Their, said He. Where did you go from Kansas City Amy? From Kansas City I had the opportunity to come here local being from Jeffersonville I had always sort of wanted to be back home near my family, and so after nine years in Kansas City a gotten married by then agent on the squad, and what they did at that time was they would combine your time in an average it to put you on a seniority list. My husband accuses me of targeting him because. Because he had a lot more seniority than I did. And so as a result, it advanced us on the the list to get to my home of Louisville a lot faster. You're a squad supervisor I. was I actually transferred to level as an agent, and so did he use never in management, but we both came to Lowell, here as agents, and we worked cases, I worked domestic terrorism and then nine eleven happened. And every field office was impacted by that. Obviously, we all set up command posts. In charge of running our command post here in the local office and it was after that that. My supervisor was removed. And our executive management asked me to apply for the job. Their first job in management than the FBI it was. Not your less. It was not. It was interesting taking over the squad that I had just been a part of in that case, I was essentially asked to now supervise the people who I was previously colleagues with I was working alongside, so that was a little strange to be supervising by peers. That's hard. It was hard I did the same thing as a federal prosecutor freight? It feels. Like one day your buddies and you're going to lunch and you're talking to each other as colleagues and the next day. You're conducting their performance reviews. And puts you in a very awkward position, or at least made me feel awkward, because I felt like who am I to great their performance. Some people become very good leaders. Some people don't but if you become a very good leader, it's almost inevitable that you've had it really good mentors. That's true. That's true. I have been so fortunate in my FBI career to have had some amazing mentors, not just Roger as my training agent, but all these other people who gave me opportunities who supported me or lease made me believe that I could do the job. You told me about one gentleman named. Named John Lewis, who is the special agent in charge of the Phoenix field office the FBI later in your career, you went to Tucson part of the Phoenix Division and John was your boss I was really looking for Tucson to be a special experience for me because I had never been to the southwest before, and that particular field office was responsible for among other things. The FBI investigates border related issues whether it's corruption or human trafficking or human smuggling. And things that I had not experienced, and so I thought not only would that be unique, but also be unique in the sense that it's one of the few offices where you have a resident agency, a large resident agency which in this case was Tucson? And? There was an assistant special agent in charge position. There that was you that was me. That was not co located with the special agent in charge. The person responsible for the whole field explained that structure, the Resident Agency field office a headquarters structure sure in the FBI. Fifty, six field offices, and over three hundred fifty resident agencies are satellite offices out of every field office, and they range in size everywhere from could one person up through one hundred or more for many more in large cities. And so some of those offices, those resident agencies have satellite officer so large that you need multiple levels of management and as a result, the position I had in Tucson was the person supervising though supervisors what we call the assistant special agent in-charge, basically the deputy below the SAC, the agent in charge special agent in charge of that office. All offices have multiple ACE ax. We call them deputies, but most of them are located at the same place where the special agent in charge is in view offices like Phoenix, one of those assistant special agent charge is not co located with the SAC not in Phoenix, but in Tucson correct and was you. That was me if you like it. Oh absolutely, it was a fantastic experience, because not only did I got to learn about all these things that I had never previously experienced including not only border issues, but also what we refer to as Indian country crimes, so crimes on on native American reservations or among native American people but in addition to that. My supervisor was not like right down the hall. Is it was sort of like having the opportunity to run your own office, but you still have a safety net because your bosses two hours up the interstate. And, so he's accessible, but yet you're still sort of on your own on a day-to-day basis now. You told me that John Lewis who I didn't have the. Meeting was not a warm and fuzzy type, but then he was a great mentor. He was John could be. Polarizing to people, some people really liked him and some people really. Didn't, but he was very clear and confident in his direction. I appreciated that. He also was a man who knew what he wanted. And so I paid attention to that, and he didn't know me when he hired me as his deputy as his ASEC in Tucson. But we ought to know each other through that experience and of course. Being the new person I wanted to impress the boss so for his first visit when he came down to visit me a few weeks into my job, I had a whole agenda lined up for him I wanted to reassure him that he had made the right pick that he had selected of the right person for this job, and so I lined out this agenda where we were going to meet with. With this chief for this sheriff and we were going to receive this briefing, and this squad was going to tell them about this case, and we were going to do all of these things and I had a very structured agenda lined out for him and I remember distinctly that he came down that day, and I told him I showed him the agenda and he said that that's all great but the. The first thing we're going to do is visit Ruben and Ruben was. He was a linguist, a translator for the Office for the Phoenix Field Office located in Tucson, but he had not been at work for a while because he had a terminal illness, and you mentioned by the way earlier that about two thirds of F. B.. I. Employees are not special agents. Ruben was one of those people correct not. Not a special agent who is not a special agent. He was what we again term professional staff, but really important to the mission of the FBI critical to the mission of the FBI so his specific job is a member of our professional staff. cordray was as a translator as a linguist. Specifically a Spanish translator Ruben had a terminal illness after many hospitalizations he was sent home. He worked remotely. So he work on his translations from there. So in John said. We're going to visit Ruben I had heard of Ruben, but I hadn't yet. I only heard of him through other people in the office in passing I had A. A big learning curve ahead of me because this is all new to me I'm the assistant special agent in charge for Mississippi all southern Arizona. Have about one hundred people under me. In addition to my folks in Tucson, I've got three other locations with people in southern Arizona and actually up through the western side of Arizona that I'm responsible for so I didn't have a lot of time to get to know every single person, and nor did I have time to know and meet Ruben so John Lewis. The boss is coming down. You have a whole bunch of things that you want to show him to demonstrate your competency, and he just wants to go see Reuben as right. What happened? I tried to convince him that we could do that maybe later or at the end of the agenda. But, he was insistent he was insistent. We go see Rubin. And I gotta say. I was I was a little annoyed because it threw everything off I. Now had to make or have my staff. Have other people make multiple notifications to people who were expecting us at certain times? This is engineering you, amy, isn't it? It absolutely was so my OCD kicked in. And and now all of a sudden things rob schedule, and so we were we were, we were off script, and I had to change the plan for that day. Not that that's bad. It's just annoying. But I still was questioning why we couldn't do this later and so. We drove out to visit Ruben. And I remember we walked up to the door and his wife Mattis at the door. And she was just smiling and so welcoming. But she brought us in to see Reuben, and he was seated in the living room. And a chair. And he was clearly not in good health, but his eyes lit up. We walked in and here's this frail in his. His eyes just lit up that we were there to visit. Him and for the next hour and a half, he asks about his coworkers. He talks about work he's he's asking about. How is so and so and and how is How's their baby in? How is? How is so and so getting the new agent getting along in the office and he he's asking all these questions about other people and eventually takes us into his office area in he. He sort of hobbles into that room. And he shows all these transcripts. He's been working on the work of the. He's been doing and presents it to be too as the ace act to take it back to the office. This is work product. When you had not met him before I had never met him before and so I didn't know what kind of worker he was if he was even working you remotely. That's not a normal thing in the FBI. We don't have too many people who work remotely. especially not from home. Because we have a lot of closed systems, a lot of classified systems, and so that's that's said that's not a normal occurrence, and so I questioned it as to him working at home and yet here he produces all this work that he's been working on despite his clearly his ill health. And while he's doing all that all he cares about is. How's everybody at the office? And asking questions and he's so excited. That were there. And so the rest of the day we go on about our agenda. And this happened several other times every time. The Sec John Lewis would visit. He insisted we go visit with Rueben. About a year later, I am deployed deaf Ghanistan. And at the waypoint when we arrive at the way point in Doha in Cutter I get off the plane and I check my phone. And at that point I learned that. Rubin had died. I returned from Afghanistan several months later, and the family conveyed special it was. That, the SAC and I had visited with Rueben those times, and how thrilled he was to be connected to his FBI family, because it was important to him, not only was his real family important to him, but his bureau family. And it meant so much to him to be part of that and to be seen as part of that. It struck me that. This is the lesson that. John was teaching me. Is that the there's? A LOT! To be, said about the type of work for the FBI does. But the fact that we do it together the fact that we're part of a family the fact that were part of a team as Roger had taught me all those years before. That's the essential element the magic. In putting it together in in making it meaningful, and so John Lewis this man who could be. Difficult or ornery? Those are my words, not yours had the soft side to him. Some people would agree with those words. But yet here's. Someone! He had his priorities straight, he knew. He knew. How important that was, how important it was for us to see each other as people and he made some hard calls that some people were not. In favor of that therefore painted him in a different light to them, but yet I saw this side of him. Where I recognize that he understands what's truly important. Another thing strikes me about that story. I mean John. Lewis isn't visiting Ruben for praise or add elation, or because it's going to be publicized in some way. John Lewis Visiting Ruben because that's what leaders do. That's right. To that point, he didn't mention it. We didn't talk about it. We didn't go back to the office and he told other people. I told other people I told them that. The SEC had us go visit Reuben Reid. Talk about you know the SEC every time. He comes down here. He wants to visit Rubin in a positive way because I saw how impactful it was. But he. He didn't do it for any of those reasons he didn't do it to to gain the respect or the admiration of the people in the office. He did it because it was right thing to do a mess. WILL LEADERS DO? That's right. After appearing on Oprah, thousands flocked to seek the guidance of renowned Self Help Guru James Arthur Ray. He was a charismatic speaker whose unorthodox methods and philosophies promised his followers a clear path to wealth and happiness, but what many didn't know about were his more extreme nothing its. Methods that pushed his pupils to their limits, giving son the transformative experience they dreamed of. And killing others at the end of the show will be playing a preview of Guru the dark side of enlightenment subscribe on Apple podcasts or binge all six episodes and listen ad free on the wondering APP. What were you doing in Afghanistan me? I was the on scene commander for the FBI counterterrorism operations, but that means as I was responsible for about forty people in country. We had everything a range of I individuals doing different things everything from polygraph examiners to bomb techs to evidence response team members to a interviewers, and also we had people helping the military on special operations, Swat or rescue team members tactical operators who were actually on the battlefield. Would you like it? It was an amazing experience. It was something that I wouldn't trade for the world. I didn't have military background. My family didn't really have a military background I at least on my direct family. And so this is the first time I. Had truly been immersed in another culture I've been in the FBI at that point for about what's seventeen years, but yet I had never been immersed in someone else's culture, and so to see not only what we were doing in national security and counterterrorism on the ground on the battlefield. And how important was that? We get that information and we get back to. Our people in the United States are other agencies responsible for protecting America, but also how the military operates and the way they go about doing the things that they do and how meaningful that is. I was very meaningful work, and as part of that process. I also got to meet some. Amazing people, some people on my team who I had never met before, but yet we're so committed to the mission and understood why we were there and others who were like me. It was all nascent to them. They were over there for the first time, and it was enlightening and I'm watching them learn at the same time I am. There was incredible when you get back from Afghanistan aiming you continue to ascend through the ranks of FBI management. We'll talk about how high in FBI management ranks. You went a little bit later. But at one point, you are now running the Memphis field office. You're the agent in charge of Memphis for the FBI. And I know you told me a story once. About an incident that happened there. That also taught you lessons about leadership. I was hoping you might share that with us. Yeah, I was the special agent in charge of the M- field office, because I was looking for of course the next step in my logical progression. And the Memphis field office particularly interested me because then looking for experiences I had never really spent a lot of time in the south in someplace. Like Memphis I mean the the heart of the civil rights. Movement Civil Rights Museum Amazing Place to visit. This is where Dr Martin. Luther King Junior was shot and killed and so I thought this office has reputation for having some amazing work going on, and it had responsibility for not only Memphis but Nashville. And, so to really sort of very different cities. And two different really areas of responsibility, different threats different. Different crime problems to deal with. I thought it'd be an interesting challenge. I was selected fortunate enough to be selected as the special agent in charge of the field office. went out there, and and started along my job, and so as a result of being a new SAC. I made a lot of mistakes. And it was very formative time for me. I was only there unfortunately one year. During that time I had a lot of lessons learned. I, remember distinctly that one day I'm visiting Nashville visiting my folks over in the Nashville Resident Agency the Ra a supervisor comes to me and says hey. I, just got a call from the State Bureau of Investigation. The Tennessee State Bureau invest. That's right the TB. And the TB I wants. Me He's he's telling me the story. Wants us to summon a particular. Task Force. Officer WHO's assigned to one of our squats. We should explain that federal agencies have relationships with local partners throughout the country and local police departments, sheriffs offices will contribute task force officers to FBI or DA or ATF taskforce when you refer to a t.f Oh, you're talking about a man or woman from a local agency working in this case with the. The FBI. That's right could not do our job. Without the assistance of state and local departments, particularly those that assign these task force officers to work alongside us. They are embedded in our offices on these squads and be able to put these cases together. We treat them like agents like the investigators that are permanent employees of the FBI, and so as As a result, some of these task force officers they of course are treated like FBI employees and tend to think of them as colleagues. Your space have access to your systems, and they work with the men women of the FBI. That's correct. We develop lifelong relationships. I personally spent the majority of my agent. Time assigned task forces working with task, force officers and And so you developed very close relationships with them, but in this case the the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation had a concern about one of your task force officers. That's right, so they call the supervisor of that squad, and they said Hey, what we'd like you to do is call that Task Force officer end to make sure that he stays in the office today. And the reason was because they wanted to execute a search warrant on his residence. The explanation behind that that they provided was that the task force officers estranged wife. They were having some difficulty, and she had accused him of stealing property and having it at the residence. So the supervisor wasn't particularly comfortable with this request because he was concerned that this was a, he said she said situation because the t.f Oh and his wife. Were not on good terms, and a lot of accusations were being thrown around, and so he worried that she was making allegations were substantiated. and. He asked me he said. This is a very well liked. CFO as that everybody on the squad and likes this guy. And I'm not comfortable with this. Do we have to pull him in central? The FBI didn't want to accede to the request of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation to bring the sky in as ruse, so they could search his house while he's sitting in FBI headquarters. That's right. And so I thought about that for just just a few seconds. Then I thought I came up with a reasonable middle ground. And so I got on the phone with the director of the TV I. And I told him I said look. We're not comfortable with doing this. Abiding by this request, however, how about if we get that T.f owes that Task Force Officers Parent Agency the Sheriff. In this case. He was from Sheriff's department. And get him to call him into their office to get him out of the way today. And so. Clearly the director of the TV I was not too happy. Little taken aback by this. I wasn't cooperating beget. I thought well. I think it's the right thing to do. I was trying to take people side, and at the same time still accomplish. The goal and I thought. Yeah I see another way about this. There's always multiple ways to skin the cat so unfortunately. It was not confined period of time and I I didn't ask enough questions. I didn't in retrospect. I made a decision quickly and I told the. Director that we weren't going to. We weren't going to cooperate. We're not going to help. You can help you. What ultimately happened? They did execute the search warrant by the way, and they did recover property. There was determined to be stolen, so you had a dirty office, so I had that at least less time past what we discovered was not only. was He accused of stealing this property, but also. He was accused of. Selling information to the subjects of a drug investigation. So we had a drug investigation that we were actually working in conjunction with. Several other agencies including the State Bureau. The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. And come to find out that. One of the subjects said that he was receiving information about where our target locations were. The subjects are investigations are plans for operations and even worse personal information about the investigators about the agents in the task force officers, including personal information about their home residents, their families their families. And that they were being provided this information by a dirty cop, and we ultimately discovered it was him who's putting people's lives at risk absolutely. Force we ended up making the arrest and taking him into custody. And it was after that that I had reached out actually to the director of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and I I said you know. Can we talk about? Can we talk about what happened because clearly? Mistake was made clearly I made a bad decision on I. WanNa talk through it. You let them down and they were angry with you. Yes, they were to the point where. They had pulled other task force officers that they had Tennessee River investigation off of our task forces. That's how angry they were. To their own detriment, they were pulling task force officers. It severed the relationship between our agencies. And that affected not only just me personally that obviously affected all of the people who? Who reported to me all of FBI's operations in the state of Tennessee, as well as state law enforcement operated absolutely. So I wanted to talk about it. And so I I went to meet with the Director of the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, and I thought we were going to have a one on one meeting, and instead he escorts me into a room where there was a table set out, they also pattern himself after the FBI, and you have a director, and you have special agents in charge, essentially the director, his top deputies correct, and so there were as I, recall four or five of his. SAC's. The table on the opposite side of the table. With the chair for me facing them. And then they proceeded to over the course of the next. About our basically, tell me how not only disappointed, but in no uncertain terms. How angry they were! The with elevated voices and Neil with exclamation points I mean they were clearly angry. Were you there by yourself? No, I had my assistant special agent in charge from the Nashville Office with me. But it's. Essentially I didn't expect him to say anything. I didn't want him to say anything. He essentially was just in the room as a witness during the course of this next hour I felt very much like being on a firing squad I received. Really the intensity of their frustration of their anger of all the things they felt that the FBI had not only in the instance where I had said No. We won't cooperate with you by pulling him in that day. But other things that have been for example when I explained what was happening to the rest of the office in an all office video teleconference during a regular meeting that I had I had meetings with all the whole office through video link, so that I get all my satellite offices in I had mentioned this case I'd mentioned that We had a task force. Force officer who you may have heard it was accused of stealing property and having it at his residence. We didn't know all this other stuff yet, but several the TI task force officers at sat in on that video tele. Link a teleconference and thought that the way I presented. It was skewed that it was still taking his side dismissive of the TI correct. I didn't feel I did it that way? But that was their interpretation, and so I got to hear about that I heard about does the clearly the bad call that I made on the front end, and about the relationships that I I suffered, and how essentially that I was unfit for office that I I was the worst sac that they had ever experienced. In the FBI being in their state. And it was damaging it was it was hurtful, but. It was a huge lesson for me. In the sense that there are impacts to your decisions. A decision that you think is maybe not that big of a deal where you think. Maybe I came up with a middle ground. You need to think through that a little bit more. If at all possible, you got to get more than one perspective. You've got ask more questions sometimes. There are long lasting repercussions. It took probably multiple SAC's after me to repair that relationship. Because of my decision that day while I absolutely believe you need to take your people side when appropriate I wouldn't trade, that began also ask more questions, and you got to be willing sometimes to make those hard calls, one of the difficulties is that when your leadership position your often making decisions almost always making decisions on imperfect information. Under stress and under pressure of deadlines on the phrases. I commonly used to keep things in perspective. In most of the day to day more mundane or routine things that I'm asked, side on just typical business matters. Is is anybody GONNA die. I mean is it. Is it really going to make a difference right now? If I don't make this decision right now this instant. Burger die if I don't make this decision right now, even though somebody may be just presented it to me as if it's a life or death, or as if it is the most important thing and I've got to have a decision right now. This instant and you don't have time to get other perspectives. What I learned over time is that? Ninety nine times out of one hundred you do is that regardless of how much of a sense of urgency somebody else tries to instill on? You asked lots of questions invite other perspectives. Get dissenting opinions. You still make the wrong decision. Those are unavoidable at times, but at least you're doing it with a better process exactly. Exactly Memphis wasn't the end of your management career. Amy I mean just so our listeners know when you retired from the FBI. You left as one of the highest ranking women in the FBI's history only. Six. Women counting. You have ever been promoted to the Executive Assistant Director Level Kathleen McChesney Janet Cameron Stephanie Douglas Valerie Parlay Maureen Begin ski and Amy Hess. Only six women in one hundred twelve years. To rise to the executive assistant director level. That's right, but that's because. In my view. I was very lucky that I was also very fortunate to have. People who believed in me? Great, mentors, great coaches, great supervisors, colleagues, people who not only. Supported me and it made me look good. But people who gave me a chance? You have a new job now. I? Do I am the director of public services for the Metro governments? So. It was a position that. Was presented to me. That just excited me because not only do I get to continue public service. But it's in my home. Of Louisville I. Love the city. Of being here, I'm comfortable here and the idea of being able to not only challenged myself with new things and learning new things, and about how how local government works after I've been involved in federal government for so long. That was exciting, but also just the idea of of being able to hopefully to do some good. To continue that. Public Service to give back to the. To help the community do miss the FBI oh every day. Every day and I always will. But. I think doing something that makes you feel like you're. Contributing. Giving your life meaning doing meaningful work I. Think whatever it is if you can do that, it's it's fulfilling. Has It's a real honor privileged. Sit Down with you I. have always admired a you and your work. And so thank you for taking the time to talk with me today and same to you. Jack, you're amazing. Thank you very much appreciate it. Thanks to amy, Hess in the wonderful folks that downtown recording in Louisville Kentucky for hosting our podcast. Amy Spent her entire professional life in public serves. Even after her retirement from the highest ranks of the FBI, she continues to serve in the community in which she grew up as Chief of Public Safety in Louisville Kentucky. Following the tragic March Thirteenth Shooting Brianna Taylor and Louisville this year, and after we recorded this episode, Amy was named to lead police reform efforts in that city to reduce use of force incidents to review police policies and training, and to make recommendations on police disciplinary matters by establishing an independent civilian review. If you like this episode, please let us know by leaving us. A five star rating whatever APP you used to listen and ask your friends to subscribe. We are available podcast. spotify tune in. Every major listening. As well as MSNBC DOT com slash the. If you're listening on a smartphone tap or swipe over the cover art of this podcast. You'll find the episode notes including some details. You might have missed. You have any thoughtful criticism. Feedback questions about this episode or others. Please email us the youth podcast gmail.com. That's all one word youth podcast gmail.com. No I cannot personally respond to every email. 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NPR News: 03-30-2020 12PM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Lakshmi Singh. Nearly three quarters of a million people around the globe are confirmed to have been infected with the corona virus now and the US accounts for the majority of cases on the planet with nearly one hundred. Forty four thousand so far. The figures track by researchers at Johns Hopkins University Reflect Projections by Health Officials. Who see a broad range of social distancing measures and consistent hygienic practices currently the only significant strategy to slowing the spread of the disease? Npr's Eisenman has an update on some of the most severely affected areas in this country. New York state which has the bulk of cases right now is projected to peak in about a week Louisiana and Michigan or projected to peak in just under two weeks and then there are states South Carolina Virginia Colorado that are not projected to peak for about a month and of course even after the peak there will still be many new cases. Each day post peak. The number of daily new cases will start to diminish until things Peter out by June then Pearson Eisenman workers from an Amazon warehouse in New York and the grocery delivery APP inst- card are staging a strike. They're demanding stepped up protection in pay as they continue to work while much of the country's asked to isolate here's NPR's Zelina sell you Amazon and Insta- card one to hire thousands of new workers to keep up with skyrocketing online shopping. This has put a spotlight on their current workers who shop pack and deliver high demand. Supplies companies often referred to them as heroes but workers say they aren't doing enough to keep them safe some Amazon workers at a Staten Island warehouse plan to walk off their job to pressure the company to close the facility for a longer cleaning after multiple people there have been diagnosed with Kovic. Nineteen INSA card. Gig workers want more protective gear and hazard pay and both groups are asking for more access to paid sick time off which for now is only available to those who tested positive for the corona virus or get placed on mandatory Self Quarantine. Alina Sell UK NPR news. Npr's learned that a worker at a processing center for Paper Forms for the twenty. Twenty cents is has tested positive for the Krona virus and Pearson's e long reports. The Census Bureau says it's still on track to process as many as thirty million paper forms for this year's National Headcount Census Bureau tells. Npr cancelled overtime. Work this weekend at its processing center in Jeffersonville Indiana after learned on Friday that employees tested positive for the corona virus spokesperson. Michael Cook says that employee is now in quarantine bureau had already cut back the number of onsite workers at the facilities to try to limit the spread of the Coronavirus Cook says workers at the Bureau's Facility in Phoenix and also processes paper forms are practicing social. Distancing Bureau says the more households that felt. The sense is now on their own. The fewer door knockers. It will have to try to send out to visit homes during a public health crisis on pure news New York from Washington this is. Npr news the acclaimed singer Songwriter. John Cryan is hospitalized in critical condition after displaying symptoms of Kovic nineteen. Jason Moon Wilkins with member station W. P. L. and prime has been placed on a ventilator. John Prime is seventy three but before the corona virus crisis been extremely active touring collaborating and releasing new songs as a follow up to his. Grammy nominated twenty eighteen album. The tree of forgiveness prime battled cancer twice first round ravaging his voice forcing him to change the way he sings earlier this month. His wife Yona contract covert nineteen and was living in quarantine at the time. She expressed hope the disease wouldn't pass onto her husband for NPR news. I'm Jason Moon Wilkins. A twenty one day nationwide lockdown is ineffective in Zimbabwe unlike many in neighbouring South Africa Zimbabwe's residents by and large remain indoors in most businesses are closed. The country's corona virus cases are still in the single digits by comparison neighboring South Africa's reporting more than twelve hundred cases of the corona virus. Police are struggling to enforce the lockdown. Sometimes resorting to violent tactics to control crowds. Some of the biggest challenges have been poor overcrowded. Townships were many were seen continuing to mingle at last check on Wall Street. The Dow is up nearly four hundred points or one point eight percent since the open at twenty two thousand forty three. I'm Lakshmi Singh. Npr News in Washington.
NPR News: 03-19-2020 3PM ET
"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Lakshmi Sang. The number of corona virus cases in the United States has surpassed ten thousand with more than one hundred fifty lives lost to cove. Nineteen according to disease trackers at Johns Hopkins University vice-president. Mike Pence's company such three. M. And honeywell are increasing the production of masks for medical staffers. On the front lines of the pandemic secretly recorded audio from event three weeks ago reveals Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard. Burr shared dire warnings about the krona virus. The North Carolina Republican worn a private audience about measures. The government might need to take. Npr's Tim Mack. Reports bird did not share those concerns with the general public on February. Twenty seventh burs spoke at a luncheon organized by the Tar Heel Circle a group made up of businesses and organizations in his State of North Carolina. At the time president trump was trying to tamp down on fears about chronic virus and suggested that it might quote disappear with warmer weather at the luncheon senator. Burr shared his personal assessment is much more residence. Reddish commute seeing. He told the audience to reconsider travel to Europe about coming school closures. In the possibility that the military might be activated to provide emergency medical capability but senator burnt never expressed concerns with the broader public to Mac. Npr News Washington with more than thirty four hundred lives loss. Italy has the highest cove in nineteen death toll on the planet. Italy reported this grim stone is Chinese authorities in Wuhan Ground Zero of the pandemic recorded no new infections. Chinese doctor widely considered a whistle blower on. The outbreak died forty two days ago but only now are authorities apologizing after being accused of silencing him and bears amy. Chang has worn an investigation from Beijing. Dr Leon was punished and muzzled by one police for quote spreading rumors after you warn people of infectious disease similar to SARS in late December. Now Justice for him albeit posthumously. Authorities are dropping their formal reprimand against Dr Lee after investigators concluded the police did not quote follow proper law enforcement procedure. Npr's Amy Chang. Russia is now reporting. It's first death from Cova. Nineteen government seeks to. Reassure its citizens about this outbreak. We have more from. Npr's Lucian Kim. Moscow's mayor is expressing his condolences to the family of a seventy nine year. Old Woman who died in the city hospital the first known victim of CORONA VIRUS IN RUSSIA. Meanwhile authorities dismissed rumors. Moscow will be under curfew. Virus begins to spread. Retailers are having trouble keeping shelves stocked as Russians by staples such as grains and vegetable oil the Russian ruble has dropped sharply against the dollar as oil prices plummet. That's NPR's Lucian Kim. Reporting the Dow is up one hundred fifty three points this is NPR more us. Households are expected to receive instructions in the mail today on how to complete the twenty twenty census. Npr's Honsi Lo Wong reports. The Census Bureau says it's counting on households to respond to this national count on their own while field operations or temporarily suspended because of the corona virus outbreak here. The Census Bureau says it stopping field operations until April first to help protect the health and safety of its workers and the public for the next two weeks. It's also reducing the number of workers at its facilities Jeffersonville Indiana that process paper census form but the bureau says households can still submit census responses over the phone and online at my twenty twenty cents. Dot Gov the bureau says the more households that felt the census themselves now. The fewer workers needed to try to knock on doors later this year. The constitution requires account of every person living in the country. Once a decade the numbers determine how voting districts are redrawn and how many congressional seats each day gets through twenty thirty on news. New York Secretary of State. Mike Pompeo says the Iranian government has granted a medical furlough to a US Navy veteran who was held prisoner for more than a year. Michael Wide is being ordered to remain any ron for now. But he's now in the custody of the Swiss Embassy. White was convicted and sentenced to ten years in prison for allegedly insulting. Iran's supreme leader and posting private information Iran's decision to grant the furlough comes as the Islamic republic like most other countries struggles to contain the corona virus outbreak. I'm Lakshmi Singh. Npr News in Washington.
Full Episode: Wednesday, July 29, 2020
"Tonight the new headline as we come on the air, the number of corona virus deaths in the US. Now topping one, hundred, fifty, thousand America with a thirty percent increase in deaths in the last week the federal government now identifying ninety eight emerging hot spots in thirty states, Florida and Texas reporting record deaths in the last twenty, four hours in Texas they have crossed grim milestone tonight with dr saying everyone is exhausted hospitalizations and the rise in thirty nine states and Puerto Rico the debate continuing over reopening schools what the secretary. Of Education acknowledged today while visiting a private school in North Carolina with the vice president saying there is no national plan to reopen schools today president trump doubling down on his supportive a controversial doctor who had said masks don't work and who had pushed hydroxy chloroquine. The president has called her an important voice tonight Joe Biden calling her quote at absolute disgrace at the president is also trying to scare suburban voters and tonight the president's staunchest allies now testing positive just before he was going to board Air Force One with President Trump. Do interview tonight the president pressed about reports of Russia's alleged bounties on US troops Russia allegedly paying the Taliban, the president pressed on his recent phone call with Vladimir Putin did it come? The president saying the call was to discuss other things and the major move involving twelve thousand US troops stationed in. Germany. A key US ally. Home Tonight, the alarming the partial bridge collapses train goes off the tracks on high alert in the northeast tonight the sharks nine sightings off New York shores, and just the last two days. It comes after a deadly attack, the wife and mother who was killed off main, and we're also tracking tropical threat. Now, passing your Puerto Rico and the shift the track tonight would it now means for Florida and the east as this moves north. This is ABC news tonight with David Muir. But evening, and it's great to have you with us here on this Wednesday night and we begin tonight with that grim new milestone, the death toll in this country now topping. Fifty, thousand from the corona. Virus one hundred and fifty thousand lives lost so many families affected in this pandemic tonight the federal government now pointing to ninety eight hotspots they say now emerging across thirty states, some of them were the virus had already been slowed. More than four point, four, million Americans testing positive and of course, that death-toll Tonight Florida reporting record number of deaths in the last twenty, four hours two, hundred, seventeen more deaths more than nine thousand new cases there Texas tonight reporting three, hundred, thirteen deaths and nine thousand new cases. There were a total number of cases in Texas now more than four, hundred, thousand joining California Florida and New York. And be emotional debate tonight over reopening schools in Jeffersonville Indiana. For one parents were told they could choose a virtual or in class parents saying they had no choice but to send their children even if they fear for their health saying they have no choice because they have to work that is their reality. Vice President, pence and Education Secretary Betsy Devos paying a visit to a private school in North Carolina Secretary. Devos saying there is no national plan for reopening schools. and. So we begin tonight on all of this including those new hotspots, the debate what appearance to do with the school year about to begin in. So many unanswered questions, ABC's Victor Kendo leading us off. Tonight, the country topping once unimaginable toll one, hundred, fifty, thousand, American lives lost to the Corona Virus Florida and Texas seeing their deadliest days yet doctors are pushed to the breaking point exhausted. There's a deep bench of. Positions Dr Robert Rodriguez is back in his hometown of Brownsville Texas helping on the front lines were trying everything with these patients are extremely extremely sick behind every patient a family in Arizona Twenty. Rules Adrian Garcia who had diabetes lost his battle with the virus his entire family was infected but Adrian was the only one who didn't recover. He leaves behind a three month old daughter for the average person with no underlying health conditions you'll be okay we're okay. But my son is not the nation's death toll is surging an internal FEMA memo obtained. By, ABC News revealing a thirty percent increase in deaths in just the last week Homeland Security identifying ninety eight emerging hotspots across thirty states and tonight a new front in the war on covert Dr Anthony Fauci telling our Dr Jen Ashton. He's concerned about cases ticking up in states like Ohio Tennessee Kentucky and Indiana which is a sure-fire hint that you may be getting into the same sort of trouble with those states that the southern states got into trouble today in Jeffersonville Indiana about seventy percent of students were back in school with musk's and social distancing. Can choose virtual or in person learning some parents feel they have little choice Options were limited my husband and I both work outside the home in Florida Latoa Floyd is a single mother of two an essential worker at a grocery store. She's worried about sending her kids back to the classroom. I absolutely have no choice, but to send them to school. Because I work forty five hours a week with the debate raging over safely reopening schools doctors in Florida are demanding more robust safety measures, pretty hundreds and thousands of young people, teachers, and staff together in enclosed spaces like school buildings is an invitation for covid. Nineteen super superstar events officials taking no chances south of Orlando ordering nearly three hundred students to self quarantine after one person who attended outdoor graduation ceremony tested positive. Today, the vice president who has for the reopening of in-person pluses visiting a private elementary school in North Carolina where teachers and students wore masks taking off his mask for a time to talk to kids we really do believe it's in the best interest of our children to be back in the classroom education. Secretary Betsy Devos acknowledging there is no national plan for schools. There's not a national superintendent nor should there be therefore there's not a national plan for reopening. In Miami Dade County the nation's fourth largest school district. They'll begin the school year with online learning seen with other major cities throughout Florida, but scum some school districts will be starting with in-person classes. Something that the governor has continually pushed for just today he said if his kids were old enough, he'd have no problem sending them back to school David. Victor. Kendall leading US off Victor Thank. You tonight president trump once again saying he supports that controversial doctor who said masks Stonework and who pushed hydroxy chloroquine along with the president even though his own team of advisers and doctors have said, it's ineffective and dangerous between Covid nineteen that doctor has said in the past, the demons and witches have caused illnesses well, tonight, Joe Biden taking aim saying the doctor is an absolute disgrace at a key supporter of president trump congressman tonight has now tested positive for the virus just before he was going to board Air Force. One ABC's Mary Bruce on at all. President trump today double down on his support for a fringed doctor who spreading lies about the corona virus even after learning, she claims demons and witches cause illnesses. By nothing about her I had never seen before. But, directly you glitter up and let her. Trump had re tweeted a video of that Dr denouncing the use of masks and promoting hydroxy chloroquine even though the nation's top health officials warn the anti malaria drug is ineffective at treating covid nineteen and potentially dangerous. Joe Biden today urged the president to knock it off president sumptuous stopped tweety and start doing some about it and stop on and talking about this crazy woman as talked about last night about who's absolute. Disgrace, one of the people who spread that misleading video, the chief of staff for Republican Congressman Louie Gohmert today Gohmert announced he's tested positive himself a mason dramatic I don't have any of the symptoms that are listed as part of Covid nineteen. The congressman has frequently been spotted on the hill without a mask sources. Tell us his staff has even been scolded for wearing them masks really complicate things. This is the first time in American history when we have punished a restricted people who were not sick just yesterday he was seen walking alongside Attorney General Bill Bar neither of them in a mask bar. Staff says the attorney. General, is now getting tested the congressman sat for hours in two separate hearings yesterday tonight, senior lawmakers from both parties going into quarantine gohmert himself only learned he was positive because he was required to take a test before he was set to fly with the president. Now, the Bentley haven't will be very, very careful to make sure that I'm giving anybody else. Today's he prepared to drive to Texas to self quarantine gohmert promised to wear a mask quote religiously. Alright. So let's get to Mary tonight because we know moments ago. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi now announcing anyone on the house. Floor must wear a mask Mary. You reported there tonight that Joe Biden is taking aim again at the president and his handling of the pandemic but Biden making news himself overnight after that image appeared of his own notes while speaking to reporters. Before we came on the air last night in those notes, we could all see the talking points on Senator Kamla Harris a people trying to read the tea leaves in the last twenty four hours, David Photographers. They're getting a glimpse of Biden's notes yesterday and right there on top talking points about Senator Kamala Harris. Biden's former rival now under consideration to be. His running mate and the I note there saying quote do not hold grudges. Biden. Says he will make his choice next week David Bruce on the campaign trail. Mary. Thank you. We turn next here tonight to the move involving twelve thousand US troops Pentagon transferring those troops from Germany a key ally. There has been immediate reaction to this tonight and a new interview with the president after reports Russia allegedly paid bounties to the Taliban for the killing of US troops in Afghanistan. The president was asked about his recent call with Vladimir, Putin and whether the safety of our troops was brought up. Here's Terry Moran. Tonight after those reports that Russia been paying bounties to the Taliban to kill US troops in Afghanistan president trump admitting in an interview with Axios that he never even raised the matter in a call with Vladimir Putin last week we discussed numerous things we did not discuss that you'd never discussed it with I have never discussed with Trump also denied heard anything about the bounties despite reports. The Intel did make it into the President's daily brief. It never reached my desk. You know why? Because they didn't think it would intelligence they didn't think it was real. It was reason. They didn't think it was worthy every I wouldn't mind if it reached my desk I would have done something about it. It never reached my desk when asked about Russia supplying arms to the Taliban trump said, the US did the same thing in Afghanistan to well, we weapons when they were fighting Russia to you know when we were when they were fighting with the Taliban. Afghanistan's different Eero well, I'm just saying yes. We did that to the president also making a major strategic move in Europe withdrawing a third of US troops from Germany citing his longstanding gripe that Germany doesn't pay its fair share for defense in Europe. There was bipartisan condemnation of the president's move. Those American troops in Germany have been the cornerstone of US security in Europe for decades. Senator Mitt. Romney calling withdrawal a grave error and a slap in the face of friend and ally the Biden campaign blasted trump in a statement saying the withdraw does not reflect a thoughtful defense strategy. This is a gift to Vladimir Putin. David nearly of those twelve thousand troops being pulled out of Germany there'll be rotated to other parts of eastern. Europe the Pentagon Dell. Help deter Russian aggression but president trump made crystal clear. This is a lot more about punishing Germany then deterring Russia David all of this electioneering Terry Moran Thank you tonight we're deter next. Partial Bridge Collapse in Arizona the flames after a train carrying hazardous materials derailed it happened in. Tempe. The bridge partially collapsing there some of the cars falling as well as ABC's Clayton. Sandell is on the tonight. Tonight the flaming freight train inferno outside Phoenix. Arizona. Derailing on a bridge in Tempe just after six this morning fire on the Mill Avenue train bridge part of that bridge collapsed a mess of twisted metal tracks and train cars falling into a parked below nearly one hundred firefighters to the scene as flames race to engulf cars loaded with lumber grain and other products. The fire is traveling north along the train bridge, which is making it extraordinarily difficult for firefighters to Fight Union Pacific says. Tankers that fell off the bridge, contain a hazardous and highly flammable chemical. The Fire Department says one tanker is leaking and is using heavy equipment to pull the car upright stop the leak and prevent another fire as flames raged a light rail passenger train on a nearby bridge slowly pushed its way through the Smoke Valley Metro Rail. Telling US it was safer for this final train to pass through than stop on the bridge federal investigators now working to figure out what the derailment to happen. And David firefighters tell us that the chemical leaking from the tanker ignites very easily, which is what makes this such a delicate cleanup operation they say could last for days and keep in mind. The crews are doing all of this work in the heat temperatures hovering right around one hundred, ten degrees David still very tough hours ahead, Clayton Sandell. Thank you now to Minneapolis tonight authorities say they are now searching for a man that they allege is seen in a viral video smashing windows and inciting violence after the death of George Floyd. They say he's a white supremacist who wanted to fuel racial unrest. Here's alix Perez. Tonight authorities in Minneapolis say they have finally identified the man. They claim incited days of violent protests there after George Floyd was killed. The umbrella man on social media he was captured in this viral video breaking windows at this autozone dressed in black holding umbrella in a court filing this week police identifying him as a white supremacist. Brad Svensson recorded the May twenty seventh incident. It was strange because he was just casually walking through this warlike space according to court documents. Also spray painted the words free expletive for everyone zone on the businesses doors not long after looting and fires began in the area police say an officer telling the court until umbrella man, the protests had been relatively peaceful. This individuals sole aim was to incite violence. After a tip investigators zeroing in on the thirty two year old police say also a known member of a whites only motorcycle gang. And David investigators are working to obtain the man's a cell phone location data at this point, charges have not yet been filed. David Alex is with us. Tonight Alex. thank you. There are questions tonight after an arrest at a rally here in new. York City. By the NYPD Warren Squad a team of plainclothes officers grabbing the woman and putting her an unmarked car while cops health crowd back witnesses recording at all the NYPD tonight saying it was executing a warrant for the arrest of eighteen year old Nikki stone seen in this video. They say vandalizing several surveillance cameras she was booked and released witnesses say it was excessive. There is growing concern over sharks in the northeast nine sightings and just two days, and it comes of course after that deadly attack, the wife mother who did not survive here's either pilgrim. Tonight lifeguards on alert and helicopters patrolling beaches near new. York City after multiple days of shark sightings at least three sidings today I saw a fan of a short on Monday lifeguards in hempstead new. York's funded a shark near swimmers about five feet from shore people were screaming and yelling a little bit. But the life guards did a great job of getting everyone out this shark identified as a bull shark way up to five hundred pounds and grow to eleven feet they're aggressive creatures and the biggest concern is go the shoreline the warnings. In New York coming after sixty three road Julie Imperio hallway was attacked and killed by a great white shark in Maine. Monday, hallway was swimming in a wet suit experts say the shark may have mistaken her for a seal shark attacks on humans are very rare but they are a protected species and their numbers are growing it recovers which reestablishing its historic range and when you mix that with the recovery of the seal and a lot more people in the water. Now suddenly we look like their food and so occasionally, they'll make a mistake. Watching at least sixteen tagged sharks right off the coast here of New York at least ten of those are great white sharks David thank you. When we come back here tonight, there's news just coming in on tomorrow's funeral service for the late representative. John Lewis, we learned who will deliver the eulogy and the former presidents who will be there, and of course, more in that tropical threat now moving toward the east. If you like getting the story behind the story out start here the Daily News podcast from ABC News every morning start here we'll get you ready for your day with inciteful straightforward reporting on a few of the day's biggest headlines from groundbreaking investigative reports to urgent revelations shaping your world recently honored with prestigious Edward R Murrow award start here takes you inside the stories that matter and where they're heading next. So start smart who start, he'll check out on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP. The late congressman and civil rights icon John Lewis has returned to Georgia tonight lying in repose the State. 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The worst thing you can do said not your guy that you invited onto the show Shan't. Yeah. I'm trying to flirt with an actual. Jerry Seinfeld. Yeah, that's his name on you WanNa go first this we should change it turns let's do it. Let's let's just make Jerry think that this is how it's always I would it is gonna be so fucking confused. For regular. Again. When he has to bend listen to every episode. This isn't how I learn how it is. I thought the voice that sounds just like the second voice was the first. Mixed up this time. Okay. This is called slept in the lap of a serial killer. Oh. Okay. It just starts growing up the SON OF A CHURCH OF CHRIST preacher. You see a lot of Shit. And a Lotta is one word. It's also such a guy thing to just be like there's no. Hello no I don't have to talk to you about your pets. No compliments. Of course it's about my story and Karen her go ahead. All right. One thing happened in Nineteen, seventy six when my family lived in Jeffersonville Indiana that I will never forget I was six years old at the time. My father would often council people typically the goal of Baptizing I, e saving them, which is basically the job of preacher. One of these cases I will never forget it was a man named James Loxton. He was thirty one in married to his pregnant wife my folks took them and my younger brother and dinner one night as we drove home. I fell asleep in the backseat in Mr Lofton's lap after they were both baptized a few weeks later during a Sunday morning sermon Mr Lockton stood up in the middle of the sermon and yelled y'all need listen these man because he is speaking the truth. Yes. Yes. Now, sitting out in church is my favorite. No there some going on. No one does that no, he says now, this thing was wasn't normal for your average conservative Church of Christ service November being extremely awkward. Yes. People get scared when you yell insured. It's like that's not how this goes You're supposed to be paying attention to the guy up there not people in the middle. A few weeks later, Lofton stopped coming to church his wife contacted my father saying she was worried about him and that was acting very strange and not coming home at night within a few days loft and a younger accomplice took a car salesman from Louisville Kentucky across the river from Jeffersonville Indiana on a test drive they drove onto the Louisville Bridge and shot the salesman in the back of the head where he fell into the Ohio River a few days later, Lofton this time alone beat to death a couple with an axe and set fire to their house. After that, he was captured by police and put into a jail, he would soon escape just a day later. He then called my dad who pleaded for him to turn himself in I. Remember the police staking out our house to both protect us and also capture him. If he decided to come by the police did eventually catch him within a few days. He was convicted of one count of capital murdering Kentucky and two counts in Indiana he received three consecutive life sentences. If he's still alive, he would be seventy five years old. So that's my story. Love your show and you sexy ladies stay stay that way and don't go bird okay whose names Matt God and I clicked on link to that his signature and he says insanely talented graphic artists turns out. Famous insanely talented we should not have talked this happens every time we talked shit about at the top of their email we regretted by the end That's a great story plate a why did he do it? Why did it go on a killing spree I mean, why did he stand up in the same thing that made him stand up in church and scream something is the same thing that made him go and I it's just like a your unhinged. Now you know what it is. You got the devil and got the devil in him. But. He was a tight is it's that simple. Off a a hometown story. Hey. All perfect. I just finished this week's episode and was delighted to your can talk about stole cemetery. I grew up a few miles from there in a little town called Lecomte. and thought you might like to hear from someone with a personal connection to the place. That's the whole point of foot. This is that's what we're looking forward said out those those red threads to connect to your picture from the picture we put up three months ago. Get. Back to us about this stuff when I was a teenager in the nineties. The ruined church and so called hanging tree were still there by that time drunken lookie Loos. TORONTO. So loud. Looks so loud and that's always pointing and screaming turn whatever it is into a restaurant and there's like. Co- cats. Well one leads to the other Junkin lucky loser done enough damage to headstones and cemetery grounds that the community got fed up and surrounded the whole thing with offense. Wow. Things are bad enough that the local sheriff's posted patrols every Halloween that actually makes sense. Yeah. fucking lookie. Loos just I don't all over the place destroy a headstone. You're not a lucky loonie more. That's called A. Menace I don't know drunken men at skull. Sorry. Loop it all together. But that's called. You got the devil in you I mean. Am I right Amen Sister This is methodist episode of the many. Naturally, it was a rite of passage for kids to sneak into the cemetery scare the shit out of each other some of my classmates had ridiculous stories about it. My personal favorite two boys will call them J. and Ryan, who claim to have found the legendary staircase. So do you remember the staircase is supposedly goes to hell with lots of stories around it it's apparently very difficult to find. It's not obvious From what I remember can't you can't be any lookie loo coming by and no. Especially, if you're drunk, you're going to be looking completely wrong place for a staircase. Yeah. You think it's spiral. It's not it's not Carol Coats. Not Espouse staircase to help they plan to send Jay down but only after they'd looped the rope around his waist and tied the other end to the bumper of Ryan's truck. I'm not sure if they meant `to Jay out of hell or to use them as devil Bait Teenage Boys God bless at any rate they never went through with it. They said they heard growling as soon as Jay went down the first step and they ran for their lives bullshit. The Devil Raccoon disturbed by too dumb asses I'll let you decide I never. Bought into the Lore because my parents say the stories that only started circulating when they were teenagers in the seventies and because I have family connection to the cemetery, I'm not amish just descended from German farm stock. My Dad's grandma May and GRANDPA John are buried there I never knew job, but my great grandma may live to be ninety two dying in one. Thousand Nine, hundred one when I was eight years old may was a tiny sweet lady who burned the Shit Out of Fried Bologna sandwiches every time each memorial day until I moved away for college I visited the cemetery with my family to leave flowers for my great grandparents. We'd often stand in the shade of the infamous tree as we paid our respects, DAD's. Always been frustrated by the LEGENDS ABOUT STALL BECAUSE THEY'VE led to people fucking up the cemetery grounds to me. Stull cemetery is just a peaceful sad place like any small country cemetery, but it's fascinating to track how these kinds of legends come into being thanks for the hours of entertainment and for building a fabulous community Lauren That's sweet as a heartfelt touching story. It was a little behind the scenes stole some of the gateway to hell. Then it made me remember that Vince. Made me my first ever Fried Baloney Sandwich 'cause that's totally mid Western thing it is I've I've never had fried, Bologna Sandwich. Did you like it. Yeah. Course designed Oni it's. Like a flat fried hotdog. Grilled Cheese but with Fried Bologna. That's great. Yeah. I'm seeing it. I can. Yeah I can picture now. Okay me is acting up Mimi's in Mimi. Okay. This is called scream for the microphone maiming. There she. Lay Down please. She's I think we'RE GOING TO POST A. Video on the fan cult. So you'll be able to see me just getting Cadarola Mary now. This is called. It's. Amazing video. People haven't seen enough of cats. Okay, this is called our mother-in-law was patty hearst escort for her trial. Yes. Telo, MFM crew. I did meaning to write this story for some time, but it wasn't until I mentioned it to my ex husband's wife and fellow Marina Mattie who said she hadn't heard the story that we asked her mother-in-law to tell us all the details over a socially distant mother's Day Brunch. That's what mothers eight branches for tell us about your crazy stories with your husband's new wife what's modern and bold and I like it it's very emotionally intellectual. Or Yeah, emotionally intelligent is. Emotionally intellectual is like a little bit snobby. That's a little you're bragging about. The difference between sociopath psychopath. So. Actually, this is funny. Are mother-in-law Jerry Jewett. I must have picked that up the Jerry. was hired by the US Marshal's office in San Francisco as a secretary upon graduation from high school, she was hired for the job by a bunch of old men and she says, she got the job because while facing a wall, her boobs hit before her toasted Yay for seventy-six them right. The that was the job interview of. Essentially. ooh. Do you Jerry Ju was being sarcastic when she told that story this was like a literal. This is how she got the job. I mean yet their high. Yeah. They probably hired her because she looked a certain way. Yes, she's. Like nine to five Dolly Parton Secretary Culture you sexism culture against the wall. To Wall that wouldn't work for me this. Is. Not. Hitting. The Wall? Anytime soon anyway, the Patty hearst case was the biggest thing in the news and when she was arrested and tried, she had to have a female escrow escort or with her at all times during transport. and. The trial being that Jerry was one of only two women in the entire place she was assigned duty patties matron. She was required to remove Patty from her cell, take her to and from the car back and forth from the jail in Redwood City to the trial in San Francisco, and be there with her on on any breaks, take her to the bathroom etc are mother-in-law in all her naive twenty year old wisdom got in trouble for many reasons during this assignment. One being she let patty kissed her boyfriend and fellow SLA member. Steven. Soliah. Through the cell bars oh, she's romantic. She's let him smooch but also let them a guy who couldn't up her. I see. I see the problem with that i. see what the problematic idea. Now during patties nine, hundred and seventy arrest the police use jerry as a decoy in the mark van to distract the media while they took patty out through the back in an unmarked car during the trial. Patty Jerry crocheted a lot and became friends as they spend a lot of time together Patty would ask Jerry to buy her cigarettes and promise that her family would pay her back. Jerry made very clear. Did Not Happen. That's the very rich. They always forget to give you fifteen dollars and they don't realize that fifteen dollars is so much money to you. That's not to them. I'll have to say to them listen Patty I need this fifteen dollars back because to me it's two million faculties. Jerry says Patty was just like any normal young woman but she does think Patty had been brainwashed and the nineteen eighty-eight movie patty made about her she named one of the Jurors Jerry. Jewish. As a tiny nod mother-in-law we asked her I. Know we asked her if they had talked since the trial was over and she said, no but that she had quote twitter at her. But Patty never twitter back now anyway, we knew that we had to share this amazing story with you ladies and also want to thank you for what you do. We adore you SSD GM, Rachel, and Mattie. How your? History, your. You're crocheting like in history. Let's see. This is just start all. This is my dad's story. My Dad is a boomer, which means he was able to pay for his education at UC Berkeley by working a few side jobs I mean like I said all the Time C. Berkeley it would cost five thousand dollars back then it was so cheap. Yeah and then like why don't why can't you pay your way through college now it's because it's one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for phone one semester. And then the interest on that student loan and make sure that you're going to keep paying the student loan well, after you've paid retired but don't worry this job market when you got a college as fucked and your opening job is fucking sturdy grandy. Jerry stopped fucking Jerry Stop. It. My Dad is a big guy. So one of these jobs was the security was a security guard for a warehouse in Emeryville. There had been a string of warehouse robberies. So his job was to patrol the floor alone until morning he was instructed to never under any circumstance let anyone into the building. The job is going well until one shift when there's banging on the warehouse door, he opens little security window to peer out into the street and they're standing in the light is none. She's in full habit in a bad part of town in the middle of the night. She tells him her car broke down can't she come and use the phone? Really my poor Catholic Dad feels so conflicted but he asked to tell her he can't open the door until morning she asks him please please cheat come in she just needs to make a phone call he tells her he really can't but that he will make the call for her so he goes to call the police. When he comes back to the door, the woman has gone the police arrive and there is no broken down car and no none all my God. was she really in trouble or did you have a costume and hidden accomplices who would have robbed the warehouse possibly harming my dad in the process will never know maybe my dad will find out when he gets to Catholic. Evan and meets his. At the gates are like remember that none you didn't help by going I own. You're on the water slide straight to hell the accurate stole cemetery. By stay sexy and don't trust someone just because they have a uniform. Emma. Love that because I d like some, all of us would have opened the door like your first instinct is to open the door and he refused to. Atlic especially as a Catholic, which I wonder if they looked up beforehand of like what would work on this specific would be a you know almost. It's almost chew to disguise it sound. It is reminding me as Marky mark movies like the Italian job. Is there something like that? Dan Wasn't there one with nuns was at the town none masks but then the masks were like zombies Nice. What's the one with Whoopi Goldberg from Mr Threat, the Great Kathy and Jimmy such a good movie Get, fresh premeasured ingredients and mouth-watering seasonal recipes delivered right to your door with hellofresh America's number one meal Kit hellofresh. 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So we thought we'd share what we know. It wasn't uncommon for nineteenth century physicians and surgeons to Tan human skin and subsequently used the leather book bindings. Traditional nineteenth century tanning began by soaking an animal skin in lime water. After the skins had soaked, any flesh fat and hair was removed from the skin by hand. The flesh skins were soaked again in line water for a few days and soaked in baths at Tannin usually derived from tree bark that were made progressively stronger. Of weeks or months once tanned the skins were dried rolled and pressed until leather. Of course this brings up the question of whether the doctors have their patients permission. which in many cases can't be confirmed? Three of our five anthro PA- DERMIK books came from the skin of one woman Mary Lynch who died of tricky notice on January sixteenth eighteen, sixty, nine at old lockley in Philadelphia of her attending physicians John. Stockton, how removed a piece of her skin from her thigh sometime between her death and burial in June of eighteen eighty seven how use the skin to partially bind three books? All dealing with women's reproductive reproductive-health. We don't know if how had Merrill Lynch's permission or why he chose to bind books about conception and childbirth with her skin. These three books in addition to the other two anthropogenic books in the library collection represented unique convergence of text and medical specimen. The book says collections of texts remain valuable sources in the history of medicine. The books as objects for says, uncomfortable considerations of the use of human skin and bindings, and whether they use of human skin diminishes the value of the text rendering them mere objects of mortal curosity. So smart if you're ever in Philadelphia we would love to give you a private tour and. Take it please stay sexy and don't let your skin be turned into a book without your consent the staff at the Museum of call of the College of Physicians Philadelphia and then they remember I have a friend who's really smart librarian who was working on a book about this practice. So I looked up and actually comes out next month in October. It's called dark archives, a librarians investigation into the science and history of books bound in human skin and her her name's Megan Rosenbloom. I, just I forgot. But I well, then this girl that's such good news at that book is coming out because I would love to know why they did that and what the I mean like, yeah. Apparently doesn't. It's so creepy gets into all of that. How cool. A couple stories about creepy doctors were I'm thinking this doctor that did that with? The this story that you just told right may may have been creep then. Yeah. Sounds like it. Real good I don't know so that then maybe in this book explains that it was like great some I don't know what would the explanation be that would make me feel better. I'm not sure there can't be one I mean the bit history for history's sake you know I mean but it's buck I know. Just, use fuck and paper and leave people alone. Well I bet you'll find out in the book dark. By Megan Rosenbloom here's my last one. This just starts hi L.. I grew up in the East Bay Concord California in Middle School and the beginning of high school I used to walk home with my brother and one day I started receiving calls from an unknown caller. The only sound from the phone calls would be heavy breathing. This scared the living shit out of me for years I would receive these phone calls at random times, just heavy breathing into the receiver at first. I thought I have a stocker at thirteen through fifteen years old. I thought I was going to get murdered but also thought this would be such a great TV. Lifetime's TV show. It's I mean they are not wrong. I never told anyone in retrospect not sure why never said something but whatever finally two years after these random phone call started I received the last unknown call I was walking home with my best friend Haley expecting a phone call to come through but it never did we finally get to my house and I get the phone call the heavy breathing right into the fucking phone. Then I realized I could actually hear the breathing in the other room. There was Haley brief heavy breathing into her phone my. It turns out my best friend Haley had been calling my phone blocking her number and breathing into her phone for years. Since we walked different directions, I never caught her for. Mike. Thankfully, the heavy breathing didn't just stop there from then on whenever Haley would leave me a voicemail. She would just heavy breathed into the phone and that tradition has continued throughout the last ten years. I now live in San Antonio, Texas and Haley. Still in the bay area, we're both almost twenty eight years old. She's still my best friend even though she terrorized me for years, she grew up to be a beautiful wife and fantastic mother do sweet baby angel one and a half year old little girl Hailey my personal favourite US Postal Service employees. Trump support USPS has been fighting a rare. The that was on the paper just read has been fighting a rare form of leukemia since quarantine started legit right in the heat of Covid nineteen she found out and has been kicking leukemia's ass ever saw is currently at Stanford receiving a stem cell transplant in order to avoid leukemia from ever coming back we still talk normally and frequently even if a sense of humor has gotten slightly darker of death jokes whatever makes her feel better and she's still fighting through. It so I like to thank even in the darkest times, it's super fucking important to remember the good times even if those good times are tormenting phone calls from your youth. So keep in touch with your loved ones socially distance yourself, support the USPS vote and most importantly block your number or call your best friend and heavy breath into the phone scaring the living shit out of them. You never know how much you'll appreciate it later SSD GM Lexi. Oh good. That's so sweet. I was like mad for her. That's so say, no, that's a good prank like did it to her long enough? Yeah and I bet you it drove I drove her her friend crazy that she never said anything. Yeah. Whole point is probably get her to freak out. So then she'd be like it's media out of laughed. Got You but it was like, yeah, here's in but like Lexi was just trying to be like a real soldier about it at least like okay I guess I'll just keep breathing in your phone you. Oh. My God. I. Love that story. Hilario many levels yes it is. Why? Haley keep kicking. Leukemia's is do please do. Wow. That was incredible. Those gray last story, send us your stories that are like that or not like that or whatever you want them to be. Jerry can be anything. Want we do grandparents? We do stuff stuffed in walls we do. Of course traditional hometown, just the scariest murder you right when you were growing up or. A. Funny Story from the set of Seinfeld that like no one would know about. One Time Elaine Clinton stop laughing. Jerry Stiller, you ever hide anything in the in the cupboards. What was really in the cereal boxes Okay If this gets posted in anyone snitch tax Jerry Seinfeld, you're kicked out of being murdering. Now for real this is not something we want to get back to him. Don't be a nurse it's not going to. He's not going to twitter back at us just like fucking Patty hearst won't either none of the iced out. So don't approach it. Don't approach it. We don't need it. For just having fun. Let's all keep calm cool and stay sexy and don't get murdered by. You want to cook.
4: Mind Blown
"This episode of running from cops contain some pretty rough scenes of policing on television as well as audio of people in distressing situations, which you might find upsetting. Thanks for listening. Previously on running from cops. How do you get people to agree to be on the show? Yeah. And we talk them into it. Honestly, I couldn't care that. They did not have the put me on TV, and they did it. Anyway, why do they sign releases? I think part of the time they might have been tricked to thinking that they were going to be released. That should be against the law that they're allowing these producers to lie to these young men like that what do you give up for access? We let them look at the shows. And if they have a real problem, we will change something the truth is nothing that these cops did suggested to me that they were wrong in any sense. Episode four mind blown. Morning everyone. This is a news conference from two thousand thirteen a magazine national magazine once named him quote, America's top cop, Bill de Blasio. The mayor elect of New York City is making an introduction. And I say Bill Bratton we in New York City honored to have you as our top cop. And welcome back. Bill Bratton, the former police Commissioner of New York City. And then Los Angeles is announcing his return to the Big Apple as the newly appointed Commissioner of the NYPD. This profession. I love the city. My love. This department Bratton is probably the most visible cop of the past thirty years and most often associated with the broken windows theory of policing. But what I want to talk about here is not Britain's policies or the NYPD. I available love affair with it since nineteen fifty six. I may say nineteen fifty six nine years old. What I want to talk about is the reason why that nine year old became a police officer also visited the library. That was recited that police station civil times a week and one day I walked in. And here was he holds up. A big yellow pleasant looking book, it's called your police children's book. Taking this everywhere of ever gone every department. It's always proudly displayed because it had such a profound influence on me. And then he opens it anti reads us all story, we must always remember that whenever you see a policeman. He's your friend is there to protect you just dedicated his life for the preservation of the laws the property in the civil rights of the people in the community deserves. He would not hesitate to save your life at the cost of his own. Sure, it's propaganda. But still it's straightforward and comforting and the kind of story you'd want to be true, the kind you might wanna tell a nine year old without feeling like a bit of a liar. Later this season. We'll be talking about what cops leaves out of the show. But today, we are going to talk about what cops leaves in. And why and how three decades of those choices work to normalize certain police behavior in this country. I'm Dan barber Burski. This is running from cops. I'm just coming in from another meeting. My head is halfway halfway here. Get your head now more we're here now. Okay. So you prefer Tyrone Dr powers dead, man. Dr powers. It is Dr Perez was a Maryland state trooper a special agent with the FBI. And now he's training a new generation of law enforcement at the homeland security in criminal Justice institute at an Toronto community college. He's also an expert witness in police use of force cases this conversation. We're having here it was over a year ago in we're supposed to be talking about the Y2._K bug. The subject of my last podcast, if the possibility a wide UK was gonna happen from the Brown out to Mad Max pay for Mad Max. But then as we were finishing up. I mentioned the other project I was working on just in passing. So I know I'm doing this podcast about what UK, but I'm also doing another podcast of the same time about the show cops. And then he. Have made this face. Okay. Hit that that thing they violate every. I mean, I don't know how eat them, those constitutional rights violations, and some many of those cases me, and my colleagues talked about that some of them are formed the age and never police commanders here who have now retired and teaching from. He said, you know, there's a lot of things going on in that video presentation that unconstitutional legal, and there's a lot of conversations that they probably shouldn't be having whether they on family off of him. So so unique look at that. But I wish somebody doing a course of watching cabs. There's some analysis, and they and this is what was the illegal this. What was wrong this is? What was right? Where is that something you could do? Yeah. That's something that that. I would absolutely love the do. Now, ten months later, we are taking him up on his offer. Hey, dan. How you doing? Good. So good to talk to you. Yes, sir. So before we go forward, I want you to remember two things one police departments invite cops to she with them and to police departments can veto anything. They don't want ending up on a show. So every frame is a choice by police departments on how they want to be present. All right. Let's talk about some of those videos. We say, yes, sir. So we sent you one. It was a drug. Stop in Wichita, Kansas. Okay. This is cops season sixteen episode seventeen segment three. It's two thousand four. It's daytime an officer is cruising around a neighborhood of squat rundown. Homes in Wichita, Kansas. Saw car front of a drug house didn't want to get inside the car drove by and he spots a guy getting into his car in front of what the cops suspects is a drug house. So I'm gonna try to look around and see if I can't get a stop on more than a quarter of all cops segments are built around a traffic. Stop and here as. Is often the case on the show the officer wants to stop this guy. But he needs to reason why. Windshield. So we're going to be able to stop them here. Well, it's a pretext that in other words, he knows that he can't make this stop legitimately based on constitutional law and probable cause. So they conjure up. Another reason they come up with the crack windshield or the crack tail light or one tail light out pretext ops or a way for a cop to pullover. Anyone based on a hunch and using minor driving infractions to do it. It's legal. But it's controversial. A recent study showed that black drivers are about twice as likely to get pulled over and about four times as likely to be searched. So it's worth noting that the guy being pulled over in this episode is black, and that's what they do. And then once they make the stop they admittedly go about the business of having the person help incriminate themselves. Step outside for him. So the cop who is white gets the guy out of the car, and he sits on the curb he's not under arrest yet. Less time, you smoked crack. And then the officers starts questioning couple days ago. Are you sure because I kind of feeling you've been smoking now. Am I wrong the older? Yeah. I know. I'm right. This officer is what my mom would call smug. Look at me look at me when you feel a little ashamed for what you did. And that's when you can kinda tell the officers suspect that this guy is hiding something. Stick your tongue for and one more time. All right. Open your mouth, stick it up. Okay. Bring it on. And now she's talking kind of on the sly the officer pulls a flashlight from his belt more time. Open hoping him up spit. It out spit it out spit it out. And he shoves the butt end of the flashlight into the citizens mouth spit it out. I'm telling you right now, you're gonna you're gonna spit it out. Okay. Okay. Stick out your tongue stick out your tongue. And this isn't just a tiny little flashlight. It's a big flashlight and the officer is jamming a good three inches of it into this man's mouth. If you bite me, we're gonna have some serious problems. Understanding do you understand me? Yeah. That's that's that's totally unconstitutional. Best completely bad policing. They've been a supreme court case are Roach in versus California that says that would you which deal almost deal with the same specific thing in the courts have said that obtaining evidence, and they're mandated shocks the conscious is an admissible in court into to do that to an individual. You haven't even arrested him he's not even under arrest. He's not even completely under your control, you are detaining this individual and to do that to put something in his mouth and order to get. A suspected drugs from under his tongue is just completely wrong. Keep it. Keep your mouth open. You hear me keep your mouth open. Then the officer understands halfway through it. I shouldn't be doing this. So I better say something justifying this action. So we start to ask him, and my hurting your tongue. I'm not hurting. You am I. I'm not hurting. You am. I I appreciate that. And my hurting you I hope I'm not hurting. Appreciate you being extremely cooperative with me. But the whole point is you can't do that. Would you do this in other neighborhoods? Would you do this and an upper class neighborhood? Would you put someone else on the ground put something in their mouth enforce it out, even if they were wrong, and to put that on an episode of cops and have people watch that and have people believe this is legitimate police work, and this is a legitimate way to retrieve suspected drugs from under the tongue of the individually system. -pletely wrong that one right? There is a point. John langley. The producer of cops says he fights to get scenes of policing that he finds agree GIS into the show. I've seen all sides of things good. I'm glad we got that through because people are going to see it. And they said was that really necessary. And this may be true. And if it were it would make cops a killer documentary about police abuses, they'd be at Sundance right now. But the big problem with that is that almost invariably costs presents the scenes not as bad policing or even neutrally they frame it as good policing like that flashlight seen if you bite me. We're gonna have some serious problems. Understanding it ends with a cop testing the rock. The guy was hiding under his tongue with a roadside drug test. The test comes back positive, and then the Sarge he says that's what he's gonna swallow. You. The way it's framed they did that guy a favor, and if the show presents it like that right out in the open on TV that you can do that. Could you blame viewer for thinking? Well, maybe you can do that. And for police officers to think that they could get away with it. Here's another one cops season thirty episode nine segment. One Glendale, Arizona officer match Neider and his partner are responding to a call the guy lawyering. Hey, we're going to go out with this guy up here matches the description of somebody that the maintenance man was saying was loitering front of the complex causing problems. We're just going to go out and see what's up with them. They find the guy. He's walking down the sidewalk outside the building. And they try to stop him with another pretext up, by the way. As you're walking in the road for walking in the road. The guy runs twenty four percent of all cops segments. Have a chase in them. Pursuit and they're running for a while on this one. But this guy is like a gazelle. And the cops they're like sales to with forty pounds of guns. Batons tasers pepper, spray and handcuffs hanging off their belts. So as the running officer Schneider pulls out his taser and fires it trying to take as the man in the back. Can you do that? If you run for the police, there's no doubt the course of said that that can be used as part of probable cause for them to proceed and for them to make the arrests. But to tasers you you have to kind of the to justify that they are threat to you or threat to someone else. Not just that your not in good physical condition enough to chase them pounding to catch them or that you don't have another means of catching them. It cannot be used as a device of convenience for you to bring them down. Because you don't want to chase them any further. Glendale PD's use of force policy says that running from the police is not a good enough reason to take a guy when we asked for comment. The department says officer Schneider felt threatened enough to take the shot the taser MRs anyway, the guy gets away and now he's hiding and no it's not done yet. The cops figure out his name. They run a check. And it turns out he's a parole violator. We find out later it's because he got kicked out of halfway house. Fifty one out of DC parole. Violation worn out of in any case. The officer calls in a canine unit to help sniff them out. And this next part is intense. So heads up the next thing you see is this. Canine finds the guy hiding any Bush and drags him out by the neck. Totally inappropriate. And there's some some case audit indicate that Prince George's county, Maryland here was when the consent decree for their use of canines and that was exact same situations. And other words, this is a total inappropriate use of force in this particular situation. You don't use force until it's necessary. And there was no indication prior to that. Usually when you have officers use this kind of force. They will say that. I thought he might have a weapon none of the officers articulated that so that's a that's excessive force and to an extent is police brutality. But if this action is so wrong and the Glendale police department could just make the producers take it out. The question is why would the police want this on TV, then they know that probably ninety percent of the public is going to side with them. They've already painted everyone that they come in contact with is the bad person. And so they know that in most cases, there's. Never gonna be any repercussions or consequences for their particular action. Even if they show it it's going to show aggressive policing is gonna show we're dealing with people who committing crimes going to show that people lie to us. They're not going to focus on a constitutional aspect of policing. And so the police agency said now times ten there's going to be no backlash. It's so brazen that it's almost impressive. And I wonder is that the point to just put it out there till you don't notice it anymore. Remember how that officer tried to taste that guy in the back? Compared to the dog that seems like nothing right and a flashlight in the mouth, if you bite me we're gonna have some serious problems understanding pales in comparison to the damage that tasers can do. Shield so in the idea of a pretext up that guy practically deserves a middle even though by the way in real life. A recent study showed that traffic stops by police end in arrest. Only two percent of the time, but not on cops on cops. It's ninety two percent. The officers instincts are always right on cops. Back to that dog seen. It doesn't end with a what the fuck or we gotta rethink Howard doing things here. It ends with the suspect sitting on the curb covered in his own blood with the officer saying to him. We'll do me a favor. The next time. You hear the warning simply give up. Will you have the canine unit guy saying now, they gotta do a bunch of paperwork, and maybe it was sarcasm, but you on camera with the nation watching you indicate your greatest concern about this situation. Now, you're gonna make me do a ton of paperwork. So even if I was thinking that just go to show, you how immune some police officers feel and they didn't edit it out. How do you feel so confident to be able to say that? The Glendale PD told us they believe this was an appropriate use of a police dog. And if it seems otherwise it's because of how cops cut the scene together in the room. But of course, we know the police departments contractually have the right to make any changes that they deem necessary to an episode the Glendale PD wouldn't say whether or not they had exercise that right on this one. That episode first aired on August twelfth two thousand seventeen two weeks earlier bodycam video was shot that only recently came to light of that same officer Schneider who tried to taste that guy in the back. The body Cam footage show Schneider teasing a man as much as ten times during a traffic stop. And then pulling down the man's shorts and teasing him a final time in the testicles. The Glendale PD told us they believe this incident to was an appropriate use of a taser. They dispute that it was ten times. And they dispute that the officer intentionally pulled the guy shorts down. They also told us that when the whole incident was over officer Schneider taste the guy one more time while he was seated and in cuffs for that last taste. He was suspended for just three days. In the past thirteen years Schneider has been disciplined for workplace harassment insubordination in proper destruction of as citizens personal property unbecoming conduct and using excessive force. But officers Snyder he did get that arrest on cops. I just wanna poss here for a second to tell you about Stitcher premium if you can't wait to hear more episodes of running from cops you can actually binge the entire season right now at free for free month of Stitcher, premium Goto, Stitcher, premium dot com slash headlong and use promo code headlong. Okay. Back to the show. Let me start by saying that I really wanted to make this just about cops. I was completely ready to nor the dozens and dozens of the policing reality shows that have come and gone since cops premiered more than happy to skip over highway patrol and police women of Memphis and LAPD life on the beat. I was totally fine to not talk about this reality show starring this guy students ago, he say, Steven Seagal. That's right students. Yeah. It's pretty special. But none of those shows have the reach of cops or the one jeopardy or the impact on how Americans view policing. But that changed a couple of years ago. There's a new show that you can't ignore. Actually, you can ignore it. And you probably do. But that's what makes the show live PD important to talk about. For three hours on Friday nights and three hours on Saturday night on a and live PD follows six to eight police departments live as they police their communities tonight. We are live in Greenville and Richland counties in South Carolina with the department of public safety in Jeffersonville Indiana in Spokane county in Washington state and in Calvert county in southern Maryland. As always we got more than thirty cameras following the action with cameras embedded with police. Officers responding to calls out the window to window take the tease out in this out the window growing. All the action is host Dan Abrahams whose other gig is as an ABC news Legal Affairs correspondent, but here he's stationed in the live PD studio slash command center in New York with monitor after monitor on the wall showing police on the job ready to go live as Abrahams jumps from city to city to wherever the action is let's go right now to Jeffersonville both of the. Officers Elissa, right and Denver Leverett are serving his backup on a speeding pullover. Let's see why with him are two in-studio experts e police explaining what we are seeing the police do and why what the police are doing is a okay aggressive. You're going to use less lethal to tasers pepper spray to try to control a situation with a dog and the suspect the same time. It makes a lot more difficult. The first thing you need to know about live PD is that they premiered in two thousand sixteen after Eric garner in Staten Island after Michael Brown and Ferguson after Tamir rice in Cleveland after black lives matter and countless videos on YouTube redirected, the national conversation around policing and live PD embraced and position their show as part of that conversation, and you can hear it in this promotional video. They released Friday watch cops by being able to see exactly what the police are doing how they're doing. It these beneficial to everyone cellphone changed everything being able to instantly loaded DO up very carefully situation. You'll meet put up with they wanna put up. They don't get the whole interaction. That's why I knew these departments wouldn't have any problem with this coming in because their videos are out there. Anyway. So why not show it in real time? PD is framing itself as police transparency. The second thing to know is just how insanely successful. The show has become five PD is often. The most watched show on all of television on Friday and Saturday nights with well over two million viewers. It's so successful. It's not just one show. Now, it's a franchise. There's live PD six hours a week. But there's also live PD rewind. A repackaged version of cliffs in the life show. There's live PD police patrol footage. That was unheard in the original there's a pre show til IP called live PD, Roku. All there's life PD presents women on patrol that one explains itself in there's live PD presents PD camp, which has just bodycam video using the tools that were put in place for transparency not as a check on police activity, but is content as good TV. All of this together has made a wall to wall policing. In fact, if you wake up this Friday at seven AM make a Cup of coffee and plop yourself down in front of that TV as much as thirty seven of the next forty eight hours will be live PD, or it's been off live PD has become so successful that the police who regularly appear on that show. They've become local celebrities. Did you ever think that this would lead you into being on TV now national TV, let it all? This is from FOX thirteen news in Pasco county, Florida. The Pasco sheriff's office has been on over one hundred and twenty episodes of the show. TV star. They do fan appearances they sign autographs kids by trading cards with their faces on got one last question how many marriage proposals? Have you had since been on a lot? PD hosts regional Scrini parties where thousands of people show up in packed venues just to watch the show with other fans, and maybe meet one of the police officers and person live PD has become so successful, whereas irregular network might order thirteen or twenty six more episodes like another season of it. Any just ordered four hundred and fifty more hours of live PD. And yet have you even heard of the show, if you haven't it probably says a lot about where you live, and how you feel about the police a big fat multi-million viewer conversation that only half the country is even noticing the Paso times wrote about live PD twenty seven times in the last two years. The New York Times has mentioned it only once and then it was just to say that, you know, this is oddly this show that uses transparency as hook not super transparent the host Dan Abrahams in the executive producer, dances REO a lot of dance here. They have talked to barely any press since the show launched and they said, they wouldn't talk to me, but we are going to talk about them. And we're going to do it in Spokane Washington where cops was once the only game in town. But now live PD has arrived and started a pretty big fight about policing and TV cameras and whether one should have anything to do. With the other. How long have you lived in Spokane I came up here in the air force in two thousand nine if you're looking to point fingers pointed Adam McDaniel because he started this whole thing. What is the demographic makeup of spoken? We are pretty why I can't tell you the exact breakdown pretty what does pretty white McDaniel is tall and unassuming, and he's really proud of his adopted hometown Spokane where we meant we consider so BoomTown right now, we actually have a crane. You can see our crane. We have a crazy that you can see growing. Yeah. A crane is a good sign for a place like Spokane they've been dealing with an Nemec tax base. A low meeting income and a lot of places a pretty serious opioid problem. If I were producer for the show cops years, my perk up. That's that's like that. And cops has shot a lot in Spokane over the years. They've been on eight seasons of the show and featured in thirty seven episodes. Welcome back. Let's go to Spokane county Washington. But then the brand spanking new live PD showed up spoke in and started filming Ohno looks like we've got another shirtless dude out of McDaniel catches an episode night is. Did she she said? Put you on there. And then he goes online to see what life PD fans were saying about Spokane as a result, Adam printed out some tweets for me, which defeats the purpose Witter, but I'm not going to get hung up on that. Laugh, PD spoken, Homa, drugs and domestics. That's probably not the greatest Mata that that we've ever had spoken to what trash capital of the northwest. Spokane has issues Hella issues. Hell issues Spokane needs some hygiene to put it nicely. If I don't wanna like the rest of us. He just change the channel. Right. Who's gonna listen to your griping about some dumb TV show? Except Adam has some pretty influential ears to gripe into. I am the senior executive assistant to the council. President for the city of Spokane is junior executives. I'm over that just got a fancy title. And when he shows live PD to his boss, not happy reality TV isn't accountability or transparency it Senate treatment entertainment. I'm judging I am openly. Judging it as something that we are value systems shouldn't allow Spokane city council president bent stuck doesn't like the show. He doesn't like the way it makes the city look, and he doesn't plan on letting it continue. I can as a city say there's parameters if you wanna put this on TV and make money off of somebody's mug, and my city we ban them for all we want. We're making money. So he proposes a lot putting enough restrictions on shows like cops in life PD that it just wouldn't be worth it to shoot here. Not super controversial stuck thought. But when my PD fans got wind of what he wanted to do not happy. Horse. Caroline, Flint working for you. With some new developments on this story in Caroline. The public really seem to be taking the sheriff side on this one. They certainly are yesterday his office as the public to wait in and the response has been overwhelming with over seven hundred comments so far mainly saying people love life PD and shows that give you a live and real look into other people's lives, and they shirt a wanna see them leave Spokane why PD fans they revolted on Twitter and Facebook, and they went after Ben about yelled at for censoring violating the first amendment because I don't understand the cost of Titian when we started this. I thought this would be like a minor blip. I didn't know that it was at some point in time. The top rated show by the meals ratings. And I'm like. Mind blown like and the biggest fan of all the Spokane sheriff the guy who invited live PD Spokane in the first place sheriff Ozzie, which distinguish tapped into something. I can't explain. Never seen anything like it before not in twenty eight years, you know, with the name like Ozzy thinking warm super chill onto be with sheriff Ozzie is the most serious man, I have ever met. This guy is not screwing around as somebody who runs department depar- call it a department office seven who runs. When he runs a sheriff's office. What is the appeal? You must see positive influence of show like cops her live PD being here. I can tell you that lie. PD is done wonders for our recruiting really how applications people calling us all over the country. Really? Yes. It's been amazing. Really? It's been amazing amount of Christmas cards. We got from people all over the country get outta here. One of the big criticisms is that it gives Bo can a bad name. I mean, that's what I heard from the very beginning. Makes us look bad house making it look bad. It makes you look bad always making us look bad. No. Maybe it's exposure, exactly the way things are, and you're afraid that you might have to fix the problem. It's easier just to keep it shoved under the rug it shows people at their worst. While don't show us what we're dealing with it shows what society dealing with. I challenge been sucker. If this is his biggest thing to worry about than he needs to get out of politics because I am more concerned about drug and alcohol problem, we have the mental health problem, we have and no resources to fix it. That's what he should be focused. How does sewing the victim or the perpetrator on the worst day of their life with a camera in their face help the situation at all how how somebody's got to explain that to me. This is council president stuttered again. They've actually says your privacy is an individual just doesn't matter. We're gonna put you on TV. So that we can for the greater good show. The problem with police officers. There's much better ways to go about showing the problem then degrading that individual in treating that individual like they literally don't matter that they're pun in the game. Let's not fair. That's not right. Looking out for the little guy is one thing. But it also has his eye on the big guys trying to attract big business to Spokane to invest and create jobs and life PD, isn't helping. So if on one hand, we're gonna spend a million dollars marketing how great our town is. This is the visit Spokane commercial that they just made to attract new business. It's got rushing waterfalls and happy Espresso drinkers even a shot of that one crane, but they're so proud of in how things are moving forward here. And we're the place to be we've got investments in the park. We spent three hundred million improving river right here behind us. And then the next step you turn around and there's some guy doing math getting pulled over meth or heroin, James. James other. And that's what you see in the next thirty seconds. This is me was sheriff Ozzie again. I know that in general people talk about the police departments and say, thank you. We appreciate what you're doing. And we see on the show. They also. Very often are laughing at addicts drunks and poor people doing stupid things. Yeah. And that she needs to be a flaw in our society. Now today, doesn't it? In for him. It's worth the tradeoff. I've never seen anything like this cops has been here. Forever with never had that type of emotion day motion. At these people are have is amazing. I've never seen anything like this. We stepped off like PD after the summer, and you thought they lost long lost friend. It was amazing. Not so interesting that takes something like a television show to make people express the sentiments to you. I think it was a little bit more than that. What do you mean? I think that seven seven two thousand sixteen. Open a lot of people's eyes quick what seven seven sixteen do. You know, what happened that day? Would you have been confident enough to take a guess in front of sheriff Ozzie, I wasn't. Can seventy thousand sixteen which is probably Dallas cops dying. Opened a lot of people's eyes. Good evening tonight. Police say the shots that turn the streets behind me into a killing zone. Taking the lives of five police officers wounding seven others and two civilians came from one man operating alone with a grudge against police and white people. I remember it. I remember how horrifying it was when it happened. But does it stick in your head like Ferguson or Baltimore it did for sheriff Ozzie, and for many of the officers on cops in life PD that I've spoken to this is the thing because five cops died because radicalized hate that's why we all saw that coming. Everybody in this nation should have seen that coming every leader in this country should have seen that coming. And we did nothing to prevent it. Wheel out that hate to divide this nation. And that's what lie pedia struck into. This nation is fed up with that. For what it's worth, a sheriff Ozzie said those things to me, this chin was quivering could have been angered could have been sadness. I'm guessing both. I can see how it may be taxing time to be police officer, especially an honest one to feel under attack by the people. You see yourself as trying to help. And I could see having a show like live PD that celebrates you then having fans like legitimate fans, sending Christmas cards in defending you online. I can see how that would feel good. But live PD isn't calling itself. A pro police fan club life PD is claiming to be about transparency using police department time and resources to be a part of the current conversation around policing. There'd be dry. I know that I speak for a lot of the people who watch this. And I think the term Heroux was used many times and social media, but you don't really ever hear an officers. Policing criticized PD first of all Dravo to the deputies involved there that was an incredibly dangerous situation. You don't hear them say what the police did? Right there. That's wrong. You can't do that. He may not like the way they rolled up on him. But you're not going to win this battle playing asphalt lawyer out there go along with the police, and you don't see them show police aggression against it, isn't that isn't immediately praised encouraged by the host and his panel of police in the studio, but these deputies use such restraint they did a fantastic job, and Tom they could still go into night. We must always remember that whenever you see a policeman. He's your friend is there to protect you. He has dedicated his life for the preservation of the laws the property in the civil rights of the people in the community. He serves he would not hesitate to save your life at the cost of his own. And like children's book live PD is a lovely sentiment to some. But completely inconsistent with the reality of others, call it what you want, but live PD isn't transparency. This is solidifying your base. The vast majority have deep respect for their law enforcement. It hasn't changed. You do have a core. Fifteen to twenty percent that goliaths guess what? That's that's life. As somebody who serves the public doesn't that twenty percent bother you it does that shot that I write them off. I would like to have one hundred percent. But you never wanna get there. That is how live PD serves the police and their fans as they watch it all happened from their living rooms, but what about the people that they're watching the people who've had their fifteen minutes forced on the first place. Invidia record that. That's right. Can't have that camera of me. Go. And so we set out in Spokane to find them, and how do they feel about what live PD did to them? Well, not happy. Next time on running from cops. You gotta sell any warm for possession of stolen property. They have no problem belittling, you and humiliating and degrading just laughing at me, you know, Steph in booking and just you know. Because I had a made it on live. How many times would you figure that life PD and the cops came over here? Looking for me since July. Six times with cameras. So you think you're targeted beyond absolutely in a search McCarty jumped out with a pool and everything and then they come back in four. The little one is. Oh. Okay. In nestle. Realize this officers actually, stocking me these people won't go away. Running from cops is produced by Henry Milososki. And me, I'm Dan Bruce king, our associate producers are Courtney Harrell, and Diane Hodson Joel level is our editor. And thanks to the day for editorial input. Our music is by Mark Orton and John Hancock Genoa Berman and knacks win ski are the executive producers at pineapple street. The T matab studios is Lee Tom allowed and Lisa Lon gang. If you're joining the show, please leave us a rating interview on apple podcasts. It means a lot. And it's also a nice way to get other people's discover the show and do it now because you know, you're gonna forget, thanks if you are listening to this, and you were on cops. We would love to talk to you. 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Full Episode: Monday, May 20, 2019
"Hey, I'm Brad milkey from ABC news. And if you like world news tonight, I wanna let you know about another podcast that I host called start here. Every morning in twenty minutes. We'll give you a whip around the biggest stories driving the day with context from the people who are covering them up close that includes David Muir, Tom yomas, the whole world news tonight team so start smart and subscribe to start here. Tonight. The urgent alert as we come on the air at this hour, the high risk tornado threat right now. Authorities warning of a particularly dangerous night ahead. They warned of toward NAT super cells that could likely bring long track tornadoes, the ground for miles, it could be life threatening digits, rob Marciano full there. Live tonight. They're standing by. Also tonight's the for Riddick seeing the police officer shot and killed era. Major American University officers responding to a call. You can hear one of them say I've been hit. I've lost my weapon, President Trump taking aim at Joe Biden tonight headed to work Biden's from Pennsylvania, and what Biden said that got a reaction and tonight, the Fox News, townhall with mayor, Pete, the bullet. He got a standing ovation. Thank you. Spending. Chilling kidnapping on the street. A mother screaming for help for eight year old daughter pulled into a car at the moment. Tonight officers burst into a hotel room to save the deadly house explosion, husband, and wife inside one of them, surviving debris, scattered homes damaged for blocks, ABC news exclusive climate change. At what these humpback whales can tell us our correspondent in Artika as signed his take a major step and you'll see it right here the scare at the Eiffel tower tonight and after the bowl full sightings off Cape Cod, and that deadly attack tonight. The great white Dow spotted off Long Island just outside New York City. This is ABC news tonight with David Muir. Good evening. It's great to have you with us to start another week here. And we do begin tonight. A very tense night ahead for millions. There have already been tornadoes on the ground this evening and thirties have issued their highest threat level in two years, predicting those long track tornadoes in the hours ahead that could be on the ground for miles. In fact already tonight. Look at this, the images coming in now this tornado in fact, just moments ago before we came up to the studio touching. The ground near Oklahoma City, we've been monitoring the live images all afternoon to tornadoes taking shape. They're in Oklahoma line of thick, black clouds. That's actually a super cell. You're looking at hovering over spinning wind turbines nearby. This new fear of an outbreak. Tonight comes after a terrifying weekend. For so many more than forty reported tornadoes, hammering eight states over the weekend this monster tornado right there. That's Minneola, Kansas. And an e f two shuttering homes and Geronimo Oklahoma winds of one hundred thirty miles an hour reports of new damage already coming in tonight. The threat is expected to last well into the evening dangerous one. Head ABC meteorologist rob Marciano leading us off in Oklahoma tonight. A rare high risk tornado outbreak now underway across the southern plains, we've got to tornadoes that are now developing there's a tornado. There's a tornado families bracing for potentially violent and deadly long track. Tornadoes, as nighttime approaches dangerous situation. We have debris flying. We can barely see down the road. Tonight's outbreak is the culmination of a weekend of powerful tornadoes, and severe weather. Storm chasers out in force. Semi over the road in front of us tractor trailers flipping south of dodge City, Kansas. Accuweather meteorologist reach Zimmer intercepting this twister. South of north Platte, Nebraska, you was taught outside is vehicle. I just had the point my back into the wind and hunker down. In Geronimo, Oklahoma. This home was ripped apart by one of over forty tornadoes that came through this area over the weekend. The couple that lives here, we're inside this house. When the twister hit the woman inside this room, these walls collapsing in honor. She was pinned to the ground by pile of bricks many Oklahoma schools closed today. And this is why. Six years ago today in complete darkness, briar wood elementary school teacher, Robin, deeds, capturing this video of her students writing out a violent tornado. Oh my God. Oh my God emerging defined total destruction. Everyone surviving at this school that he f- five twister wins above two hundred miles per hour, claiming twenty four lives. Let's get to rob Marciano right now. He's live in Oklahoma near the border with Texas and rob. I know you're monitoring a very active situation near you right now. That's right. David tornado warnings abound. We just had a cell come through our position about twenty minutes ago with three areas of spin, it is just a few miles behind me. Now, we have confirmation that, that cell has dropped a tornado on the ground. Everything that develops in this part of the state of Oklahoma will be heading east towards a highly populated area of I thirty five which includes Oklahoma City as nighttime falls, a very dangerous night ahead Marciano leading us off tonight. Rob. Thank you. Stay safe. And as you know, rob meteorologist ginger Zee is also in the storm zone cheese in Moore, Oklahoma tonight, ginger. It was six years ago, you and I were standing there in more after that devastating tornado will never forget that. And I know years later, they've already closed schools as rob pointed out ahead of this system. Everyone taking this seriously and you're in one of those storm shelters that saved so many people the last time. The last time and this, David is actually a brand new storm shelter that this family put in they've got their food their flashlights. Their radios ready to go because this is the type of shelter that will keep you alive in the type of storm that made its way through here, six years ago today and the type storm that's going to be on the ground in parts of Oklahoma and other areas in the plains tonight, look at this particularly dangerous situation from Midland, Texas up through Missouri. Parts of Arkansas tonight and much of the state of Oklahoma. It's not just the twenty two warnings. You see on the map, but the atmosphere that is violent right now and ready to erupt. So as that line congeals tonight you could see eighty plus mph winds. You could also see flash flooding. I don't wanna leave that out. So if you're in Tulsa, or if you're say to east of Oklahoma City, the high to eight inches of rain, that's how a lot of people ended up dying in these tornadoes situations. It's not the tornado itself. It's the water, then the storms move east tomorrow. Mostly Missouri, and Illinois, David, I have to tell you, I'm right across from that school where we met this dime, six years ago today. It is abnormally quiet, and I'm so glad to hear that because people are really respecting the weather and prepared the state home, or ginger, thanks to you. And to rob Marciano into our entire team in the storm zone. Of course. We'll stay on this throughout the night. In the meantime, we're also following that horrific scene. In Auburn Alabama tonight three police officers were shot when they arrived at your answering a call. One of the officers calling for help saying I've been hit. I've lost my weapon officer William beak, Nur, did not survive, leaving a wife in two children behind then, overnight and into the morning urging men on for this man armed with a semiautomatic weapon. ABC's Victor KENDALL in the moment, they got who've been victories in Auburn tonight, Alabama police responding to a domestic disturbance, call when kale's breaks out. The suspect hitting three officers. I'm going to have a journey kit. Forties on the scene. Sing the gunman was heavily armed. We're in a helmet. Officer William beak their shot and killed the gunman fleeing. A massive manhunt ensuing police capturing former military veteran, greedy Wayne, Wilkes in his mugshot, his face battered and bruised. He faces multiple charges including capital, murder officer, beaker a thirteen year veteran leaves behind a wife and two children filed the worst day of my time here and yeah, just, you know, words cannot express the, the loss for this family and our family. The other two officers expected to survive. The suspect had no previous interaction with police. The district attorney says they'll pursue the death penalty David victory Kenya tonight Victor, thank you. There is a breaking headline involving President Trump tonight. A judge has ruled that his longtime accounting firm must turn over those financial records this as the president heads to Pennsylvania tonight. We're Joe Biden is from the president, making it very clear that he believes Biden is his biggest threat. Here's ABC senior White House correspondent Cecilia Vega tonight. With his supporters lining up to see him tonight. President Trump heads to Pennsylvania, with one man in mind Democratic Front runner. Joe Biden, the president tweeting, he's in the White House because of Biden and the man who took him off the one percent trash heap president. Oh, President Trump won Pennsylvania, by just one point Biden just held his first rally there. She go, what the first and most important point climate proposal is. Throng. Some Democrats frustrated by Biden's momentum Senator Kamala Harris has faced questions about whether she'd be Biden's running mate. She says, he's the one who would make a great number two. I think that Joe Biden would be a great running mate, as vice president. He's proven that he knows how to do. The job also grabbing the president's attention, south bend mayor Pete Buddha. Judge President Trump mocking his age on Twitter Buddha, judge is thirty seven. How would you handle the insults on the attacks on the tweets and all of that? The twits are. I don't care. Judge brushing off the president's attacks in a Fox News, townhall later bringing the crowd to its feet. Marla standing. President Trump didn't like that tweeting hard to believe Fox News is wasting airtime on mayor Pete. Let's get the Suny Bay, she's alive at the White House tonight into seal you the president as he heads to Pennsylvania's likely aware that a federal judge has now ruled presidents longtime accounting firm, west handover those financial records, the Democrats in congress were asking for yet. David, this is being seen really as a test case for this White House, as they refuse to comply here with this growing list of congressional subpoenas. The judge today ordered this accounting firm to hand over ten years of President Trump's financial records for just the president and his businesses. The president just a few minutes ago. David Wade in here, right here at the White House. He called this, quote, totally the wrong decision by an Obama appointed judge. He's going to appeal now. David, what we have you one more question tonight? Former White House counsel Don Mcgann was also subpoenaed to testify before the House Judiciary committee that was supposed to be tomorrow. But tonight, the White House tell him again the defy that subpoena. Exactly the White House says that they're doing this for what they're calling constitution. Precedent. They say this is to protect future administrations. But Democrats this have a lot. They wanna talk Don Mcgann about. Remember he was mentioned more than any other witness in the Mola report as for what Mcgann does. Next, David, he had previously indicated that he would follow the White House's instructions. Biggest starting another week at the White House for cecillia. Thank you next year to the abortion battle in this country. Now withing tonight at appears the evening, Louisiana is the next battleground new law, restricting abortion is in the works, ten states, the ones in red on the map there and acting strict abortion limits into law. Alabama essentially outlawing abortion last week while three more states and blue there have new restrictive legislation now pending and tonight, both vice president Pence and President Trump are weighing in with very different messages. Here's Mary Bruce. As the abortion debate takes center stage. Tonight in Louisiana. The democratic governor stands ready to buck his party and sign a Bill that would make abortions illegal once a heartbeat is detected before many women. No, they're pregnant. If it passes, the only exception will be if the mother's health is at risk, like the law recently signed, an Alabama. And Bill passed in Missouri. There are no exceptions for rape, and incest, Missouri's governor giving his seal of approval will sign it. And I've always supported the pro-life movement here in this state. Challenges are already in the works. But vice President Mike Pence says he's thrilled to see that many states around the country are embracing life. Proud to stand with us president proud to be a part of the pro-life administration. Mary Bruce with us live tonight from Washington, and Mary, we heard there from the vice president, but the president himself now, indicating that some of these abortion restrictions he believes have gone too far. Well, David the president is distancing himself from some of these strictest new bands tweeting over the weekend. I am strongly pro-life with the three exceptions rape, incest, and protecting the life of the mother. So while the president is taking issue with parts of these new laws. David, he has also promised to make sure the Roe v. Wade is overturned David Bruce live in Washington. Mary, thank you. We are also monitoring tensions between the US and Iran tonight that carry a group now in the Arabian Sea after the US said there were do threats from Iran. President Trump tweeting if Iran wants to fight that will be the official end of Iran. The Iranian Foreign Minister tweeting back that genocidal taunts won't end. Ron and tonight, President Trump now denying reports the US is looking to negotiate with Iran, but adding, quote, Iran will call us if in when they are ever ready. Backyard home tonight into that kidnapping or playing out at Fort Worth Texas mother walking her eight-year-old daughter when a man in a car grabbed the girl, and then drove off a doorbell camera actually capturing the mother being knocked down there. She then runs for help ABC's. Marcus more on the moment police burst into a hotel room to save. The girl Salem Sabotka was missing for eight hours tip from good Samaritans sin officers, bursting into this Fort Worth hotel. That hotel just ten miles from the quiet street were thority say, a stranger fifty one year old Michael Webb, took the eight year old from her mother in broad daylight. The community responding to an urgent call to find that car. The word spread to Jeff Keane, who spotted the sedan at the hotel when my friend texted me that his daughter being kidnapped. I was like, well, let's, let's go. Let's do something. Do police chief praising king, and all of those who helped search for Salem bay become heroes here in the city of Fort Worth, and we're damned proud of it. David Leath afternoon. The police chief, we met earlier was relieved of his position. The city manager saying his firing is unrelated to this case, but everyone is just thankful that Salem is back safe with her family, David Marcus floor with us tonight, Marcus. Thank you. We're going to turn next to seeming to an ABC news exclusive our journey to the bottom of the earth. Tonight. We're scientists are convinced that humpback whales. Can tell us a lot about climate change and its widespread effects? ABC's James Longman is in and Arctic as scientists take a major step tonight. A journey to the ends of the earth. Speeding across the frozen wilderness of Antarctica which trucking groups of humpback whales. American scientists in the World Wildlife Fund. Hey, using specially designed drones leading the search slaving Wales up there. Slaving Wales coming time, we approach these awesome giants and get a view from above gathering. Vital information to better understand the impact of climate change food is the whole point of this mission to get as close as possible to these whales and tag them with these GPS systems that can tell us so much more about that baby across the on toxic peninsula. Eighty seven percent of the glaciers hair all receding creating more open water, which is actually helped grow the humpback population, but warming waters a threatening a small crustacean called krill. The main food supply, full humpbacks and the bedrock of Antarctica's entire food chain. They represent the health of an ocean, ecosystem to be able to you have enough food to support a way, a let alone a population of Wales all of these things have to combine together to promote life into promote food being there of two days of attempts to tag away all the scientists zero in this camera attached to the trucking device. Successfully planted on the humpback. This work is also uncovering of a dangerous research, has finding plastics, heavy metals even flame retardants in the systems being pioneered is some of the most important for this viral of our planet, this place is stunning. But more than that, it can tell us so much about the risks. We face David are James lawmen, our, thanks to you. And our team and James will have much more on those contaminants that discover inside the whale's plastics. Those heavy metals James mentioned. That's later tonight on Nightline on the journey to the edge right here in the meantime, they're still much more ahead on world news. Tonight this Monday, the surprising discovery in the waters, just outside New York City, a great white shark has now been spotted. And of course, it comes after multiple sightings off Cape Cod, and that deadly attack. What we're now learning tonight, also news coming in about the measles and it's not good. The alarming new numbers out tonight. 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Connecticut shark tracking organization Oeser says this is the first time the organization has ever gotten a ping from great white in the Long Island Sound, the researchers tagged the male shark off Nova Scotia last year with a digital monitor which they're able to use to track its whereabouts. Shark has been on the move in recent months from Florida to Delaware. The organization announced the new location of the nine foot eight five hundred thirty three pound shark named cabinet with a tweet using the sharks handle. Hello greenwich. How are you today? New England states are concerned about shark activity going into the summer months after last summer's deadly shark attack on Cape Cod. Unknown shirts by mail party first fatality there in more than eighty years shark attacks in the Long Island Sound are extremely rare the last time a person was attacked here was more than half a century ago in one thousand nine hundred sixty one David Lindsay. Thank you for that to the index and a deadly home explosion in Jeffersonville, Indiana, a husband was killed his wife in critical condition tonight that it doesn't homes were damaged. No word on the cause get to that scene. Unfolding at the Eiffel tower today. Shut down because of a man climbing up the side about twenty five hundred tourists were evacuated. Some were forced to remain at the top thirties have taken him into custody tonight, and the CDC is now reporting this evening. Eight hundred eighty confirmed cases of measles in twenty four states. Forty one new cases, the largest number in twenty five years funding tonight, here, America strong but graduates and the surprise gift here. Steve Olson saw for the class of two thousand nineteen at Morehouse college. This is the best. Graduation gift of all. All in a lesson in paying it forward. Everyone went into tears into hugging into crying together billionaire Robert F Smith surprised every students, their parents and clearly this man, my offering to pay off school loans of every student about to cross this stage, this morning, over one hundred thousand dollars in student Llamas and. Now, I'm debt free. We're going to put a little fuel in your bus. My family is making a grant to eliminate their student loans. He's committing up to forty million dollars. Smith is quietly, one of the richest men in America, a venture capitalist and captain of industry worth more than five billion dollars. This incredible gesture sent students dancing to get their diplomas and has them ready for the war. Stevenson, Saami, ABC news. Atlanta. Wow. What a gift from Smith paying it forward. I'm David Muir. I oversee right back here tomorrow night until then good night.
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Himself, her world revolved around him just as she was the center of his existence after she died in late nineteen, forty-five, gain thirty nine lived alone for the first time in his life later diagnosed after suffering from schizophrenia. He missed his mother despite our emotional abuse of him. Perhaps hoping that he might become his mother Ed begin dressing as a woman gain rob graves, dating up the bodies of women who reminded him of his mother. But later he resorted to murder after dismembering the women. And skinning them game did something that shocked the entire world what I'm about to tell you will have you saying how in God's name can anyone bring themselves to mutilate a human body in such fashion? By the end of this, you will know without a doubt Ed gained was a natural born beast making ghastly items of feminine attire straight from the skin of his victims. Here are some of the things that were found in Ed gains home even as a boy game exhibited feminine behavior. which made him a target to his classmates for bullying after the death of his mother. It seemed that he was increasingly desperate to become a woman himself possibly as a means resurrecting his mother although he claimed that he didn't participate in necrophilia because the women's corpses smelled too bad. He did on his victims skins after transforming them into articles of clothing. One such item was of course set which was designed to trim his waist and impart to him they more feminine figure but Ed's Wardrobe. Included several ghastly items of feminine attire including a built made a nipples and Ed Geene was Betty Crocker's nightmare. After he dismembered his victims, he would often use their skulls as bowls or ash trays. He also embedded forks and spoons in them to make his own cutlery and. Didn't waste a thing. He kept the organs of his victims in the refrigerator and appear to have consumed them after cooking on a stove top some believe that he even shared his macabre dinners with acquaintances and it also seems that aired was into making custom furniture authorities is discovered to chairs that he upholstered with the skins of his victims mounds. Bizarre artifacts were strewn stacked in jumbled on the floor of gained south, this included a wastebasket made of human skin skulls atop Bedpost, a collection of noses of boxful, a women's. Genitalia and the head of victim Mary. Hogan, in a bank gain also had a wall hanging made of body parts. There were other items, justice hideous several of them like the course of human flesh were intended to aid him in his fetish for dressing as a member of the opposite sex determined to appear as much like a woman as possible gain skinned. One of the dead women's legs using the flesh as leggings to occupy himself. Geen became an avid reader. His collection of reading materials however was decidedly bazaar his library included. Articles about cannibalism, headhunting, truck heads, and Nazi lampshades made of human skin gain also studied grey's anatomy. It seems that he is reading provided him with some grisly home decorating ideas s gain confessed to having murdered only two women, bar owner, Mary Hogan, and hardware store owner Bernice warden. The some believe that he may have killed as many as seven women. The exact number is difficult to determine because geen supplemented the bodies of his murder victims with the corpses he stole from nearby cemeteries the latter of whom included fifty one year. Old Eleanor atoms he also was suspected in the disappearance of two children, eight-year-old Georgia Wexler and fifteen year old Evelyn. Hartley after Bernice warden went missing from her hardware store in plainfield her son frank the town's deputy sheriff suspected that Ed was responsible and frank was right. They found Bernice at gain towels and the scene was straight out of a horror movie her decapitated corpse which had been gutted like a deer hung upside down in an outbuilding, a box held her head and her intestines and nails and been pounded through her. Bernice, his heart was inside gains house. The authorities immediately searched the premises and found among other horrors. A curtain pool consisting of a woman's lips sewn onto a string gained sold the skins of his victims into grotesque gallons that he donned. When he masqueraded around as a woman, his wearing of these despicable dresses inspired the dawning of similar tire in several of the horror films that included incidents similar to gain zone during gains lifetime psychological counseling. Hormone therapy breast augmentation, and sex reassignment surgery were unavailable. So to masquerade as a woman gain had improvised in addition to his mask, his core set and his leg ends gene resorted to the use of a torso vest. This vast was fashioned from a woman's upper body. The vest was complete with female breasts, which is why it may be referred to as the memory vest together regains other feminine countermands the Memory Vest gave him quite a feminine. or so he seemed to believe gain kept taking it as far as he could. He wore women's body parts as clothing made sure that his ghastly costume included a number of mask because well, all made from the dead women's faces the mass looked as real as they were consisting of their victims. Entire faces including hair for heads are browse is with eyelashes, ears, noses, lips, Chan's and. The only thing missing was the eyeballs which Ed. Supplied himself when he wore them, and now the infamous apron they protective garment was a patchwork of pieces of skin sewn together large thick stitches similar to the ones a corner might use after performing an autopsy. There was a nipple over the left breast portion of the Apron but no breast also in the patchwork was a partial. Face is knows and lifts and an upper lip that was sewn into the garments. Tip a pair veers sewn where pockets might have been a face on another across the upper thigh region of the apron and on the bottom right side near the jagged him is a right breast complete with the nipple among his other items. He also owned a pair of gloves that came up. To his wrist matter of human skin, the stitches are would follow the contours of the thumbs and the fingers of pair of skin pants and to complete his collection. He had a necklace consisting of five tongue's strong together on a cord. When question again folded immediately, he told believe that he made at least forty different visits to the three local graveyards to dig up bodies he. Claimed that he had done. So in a daze like state in addition to his methods, gain also revealed his motives. He told authorities that soon after his mother died, he had begun to create a woman suit so that he could literally become his mother and crawl Riley in her skin though there were parts of countless bodies found in his home game was arraigned on only one. Count. Of Murder, Bernice Wardens Ed gain pled not guilty by reason of insanity and was declared unfit to stand trial. He was sent to the Central State Hospital for the criminally insane where he was diagnosed with schizophrenia. He once retried after doctors believed that he could participate in a trial, but he again was declared mentally insane. He was confined to spend the rest of his life. In that mental hospital and he died in the mental health institute at the age of seventy seven on July twenty, six, nineteen, eighty four. Now let's talk about some other cannibals. Now, if egging shocked you let me lay on some more. It was a crime that absolutely shocked a nation in Australia. There was a woman named Catherine night who butchered her lover John Price to death. Cheese skinned him and put him on a meat hook before decapitating him and bowling his head on February twenty ninth of two thousand. If that wasn't enough catherine served his cook flesh with potatoes. Pumpkins. Cabbage and squash with gravy to his children at her home Catherine was arrested before the children came home and was the first woman in Australian history to receive a life sentence without. Parole next, we have the master butcher in a set of events that horrified Germany Armand Mindless found a victim that volunteered to be sacrificed. He found his victim over the Internet. He posted an ad for someone to obliterate his life and leave no trace the victim travelled by train to meet my voice in the western town of Rottenburg in March of two thousand, one there the. Cannibal videotaped himself severing the victims penis with a knife before both men tried to eat it bleeding like crazy the victim fell unconscious with the video recorder still rolling my Lady Mount on a bench kissing him on the lips before plunging a knife into his throat he suspended the victim on a meat hook and froze thirty kilograms of his flesh in parcels and later eight some. With cabbage and potatoes in a shocking recent interview my this game never before heard details of his gruesome act are decorated the table with nice candles I. Took Out Mom Best Dinner Service and fried a piece of rump steak a piece from his back made what I, call prentice potatoes and sprout. He said the first by was, of course very strange. It was a feeling I. Can't really describe US spent over forty years longing for dreaming about it. He added, and now I was getting the feeling that I was actually achieving this perfect inner connection through his flesh. It tastes like pork stronger. My was went on to say, my risk was arrested in December two, thousand and two when a college student alerted authorities to new advertisements for victims online investigators searched. His home and found body parts and the videotape of the killing on January two, thousand and four. My was was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to eight years in prison. The case attracted a ton of media attention mirus finally admitted to killing the victim any expressed regret for his actions he added that he wanted to write a biography with the aim of deterring anyone who wants. To follow his footsteps websites dedicated to my has appeared with people advertising for willing victims they should go for treatment so it doesn't escalate like it did with me. My was sad while in prison mirus has since become a vegetarian he believes there are about eight hundred cannibals in Germany next, we have George Neglect Monte. Dumb the real life Sweeney Todd, he was a fifty four. Year old man who lived with his wife and mistress to lure women to their house for the promise of work as a babysitter. The trio then killed their victims and baked their flesh into meat pies feel the flesh for victims in the pies and sold them to customers in their shops. They also sold it to schools and hospitals claiming that they contain chicken and tuna the. Prize were also eaten mother trio and the neighbors and a small child who live with them. Police found the remains of two victims in the backyard of the house when the killers were arrested in. April. Of Two thousand twelve they confessed to the crimes and said, they belonged to a sect preached the purification of the world and the reduction of populations. Never. Monte later described how. He sliced a teenage mother to death in front of her child and then fed the fresh bits of flesh to the talk. He was sentenced to twenty three years in prison with his wife and mistress who received twenty year sentences. Next on the list, we have the granny ripper Tamra Simpson. Nova was suspected of eating her victims organs and was said to have favored their lungs. Supported the Saint Petersburg police found the headless body a one of her victims near a pond after Tamra was caught on a security cam removing the victim's body in a black bag tar victim had been drugged and then cut into pieces with a hacksaw. She would go on to kill eleven victims in it took over two decades to unmask this serial killer who. Delighted in cutting up her victims she was suspected of eating all of their internal organs assert Tamara's home only revealed diaries where she proudly detailed her crimes but they did find a sharp knife and blood smears in the bathroom. Several unsolved murders were investigated with possible links to tear Murrow Tamra wrote about her exploits in her diary and even confessed to release about her. Monstrous Crimes Chievo, and confessed to the New York Daily News Tomorrow said that at first she made her friends sleep and then cut her into pieces while she was still alive. Another one of her victims was a headless legless and armless man's body found on the same street twelve years ago his business card was discovered in Tamas home in court the judge as the. Grainy river her thoughts about being jailed her reply was you decide your honor after all I am guilty and I deserve a punishment police feared that Tamra also killed her husband whom she reported missing in two, thousand, five and more than likely was one of the eleven victims she boasted about in her diary tears husband has never been found and last but not least. Joseph Albert overheads. Louis. He was no rookie when it came to crimes including murder while living in Utah in nineteen, Ninety, eight ober has lake killed his seventeen year old girlfriend Sabrina elder attempted to murder his own mother critically injuring her instead Sabrina elder had given birth to his child only days before her murder in a plea deal Joe's was convicted of manslaughter and attempted murder for the incident. He served just twelve years before being granted parole in two thousand twelve. Shortly. After he was paroled Joseph moved to Jeffersonville Indiana there he met Tammy Jo blatant a woman that supported and stood by him despite his ongoing criminal activity in two thousand thirteen Joseph was arrested for strangling a fellow bar pardon and resisting arrest in two thousand fourteen, it led to yet another arrest due to Joe's ups erotic driving causing a slow speed police chase his girlfriend Tammy Jo Blanton posted his bill in both incidents. She described herself as his fiancee during one. Of His court hearings during the early morning hours of September eleventh two, thousand fourteen, the relationship took a turn for the worst tammy Jo had to change the locks on her house in an effort to keep Joseph out leading her call police. When Joe's up attempted to get inside the home, he was told to leave by responding officers though he was not arrested at that time by the late morning hours of September. The eleventh coworkers became concerned Good Tammy Jo's absence. and asked police to check on her inside they found the woman's mutilated body in the bathtub of our home. Her body was covered with a tarp. Tammy Jo had suffered multiple stab wounds including her head and chest had been cut open with a majority of her heart sections of her long and a large portion of her brain. All missing investigators discovered further evidence of the nature of the crime, bloody plates, pans, and utensils found in the kitchen still inside the home when. Arrived Joe's up eventually admitted to cooking sections of Tammy, Jo's brain and eating it as well as consuming pieces of our heart and her lungs. Joe's up is currently being held without bond. A trial was originally scheduled in June of two thousand seventeen. The psychological evaluations have delayed the case at the request of the defense attorneys Joseph Under win evaluations by three court appointed psychologist and psychiatrist in October two, thousand seventeen, the court heard from those professionals and ruled that Joe Zip wasn't currently competent to stand trial. She ordered him to the Indiana Division of. Mental Health and addiction, which was to bring him to competency. So he could stand trial at a later date whether we want to admit it or not, and as frightening as it seems modern day cannibals do exist. We're hearing about these horrific killings and consumption of human remains more and more. If he thought the list ended with these well-known flesh eaters be prepared to be confronted by more because while eating a deceased human being in order to prevent death by starvation is viewed as somewhat a formidable taboo recent acts of cannibalism may be a horrifying addiction. Thank you for listening to this edition seven. Make sure you subscribe on Apple podcast. So you never miss an episode I'm your host Katie. And I'll see you next time. On seven. You've worked so hard for all the things that have. The salary, the status, the success. And with that image, there's a drink. One wide want to loosen up wanted to take the edge off. But how do you know what a drink is more than just a drink? We get it we can help. Karen's grandview program has been helping accomplish people just like you regain their lives. Talk to us. Visit Karen Dot org slash grandview. I'm enrolling Medicare soon, and it had me a little confused. Then I found my healthpolicy dot com with my healthpolicy dot com. 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Full Episode: Thursday, November 12, 2020
"The tonight the kuroda virus long new numbers just coming in as we come on the air and the lines in new york city protesting growing concern from coast to coast tonight the testing here in new york and new restrictions amid fears of a new wave hitting the city in parts of new jersey nearly one in five testing positive as the number of cases of the virus explodes across the us. Well more than one hundred thousand. New cases every day in america and no signs of slowing down from ohio to wisconsin to california now becoming the second state to hit one million cases hundreds of people waiting in their cars to be tested at dodger stadium. Today we also have news on the pfizer vaccine and vaccine in the works for moderna and right here our first look tonight at a treatment while america wait for these vaccines do antibody treatment create specifically to attack the virus speeding up the recovery process. So who can get it. And how does this work today. President trump under growing pressure from some well known republicans to concede defeat and on capitol hill. At least ten. Republican senators including senator. Lindsey graham now saying it's time for president elect joe biden to receive intelligence briefings that are given to incoming presidents to keep america safe. One republican senator saying it doesn't start happening by week's end he'll step in by. Us troops among the dead tonight at the military helicopter crash in egypt. Here is the. us deadly plane crash. White neighborhood it was trying to land and the storm. Slamming the us a second time now moving up. The coast bringing deadly flooding. From florida to the carolinas tonight. The search for the missing at this hour and the other weather concerned fiery pileup on this interstate twenty nine vehicles in bowl at america strong tonight fifty years after his first trophy trailblazer returns to the stage from abc news. World headquarters andy more. This is world news tonight with deal. Good evening it's great to have you with us here thursday night and we were born. This would happen with the colder weather. Here and americans going indoors tonight. New numbers on the coronavirus. Well more than one hundred thousand new cases of the virus in just twenty four hours several days straight hospitalizations nearly doubling in just two weeks now here in new york new restrictions tonight fearing a devastating new wave and take a look at this time lapse tonight. We started this graphic with the situation about three months ago. You can see the red. Their across the sunbelt states in august and september moving up to the center of the country then moving west and of course. There's the picture now. We have cases on the rise in all fifty states here in new york lines for testing and a new ten pm curfew for restaurants and bars chicago imposing a stay at home advisory for the next thirty days cases in california tonight now topping a million and this image this evening from dodger stadium families in their cars for hours. They are waiting to be tested or hospitals and their staffs stretched to the limit. Utah's governor saying we are at a breaking point tonight and north dakota as we reported here so strapped they are now allowing workers with the virus asymmetric to come in to help in this fight. Abc's chief national affairs correspondent. Thomas leading us off with a new concern. Right here in new york tonight. With lines forming outside of testing centers and new restrictions new york city being warned a second wave may be coming every single thing. You do matters the epicenter of the us pandemic putting a curfew in place. Bars restaurants gyms need to close by ten pm. Starting tomorrow gatherings and private homes will be limited to ten people all to drive those rising cove numbers down and avoid a return to the darkest days of the pandemic but small business owners that struggle to survive the first wave say new citywide restrictions will drown them. There's only a few people sitting on in the restaurant at ten o'clock eleven o'clock and now we can't even accept those times twenty customers over night across the river cases soaring in new jersey one in five people testing positive in newark. That state. also rolling out a new ten pm curfew. Tonight for restaurants and restaurants were morphing is the night went on not in name the substance into clubs into lounges. People were just letting their guard down. Today would hundred thirty eight thousand new cases in just eleven days the country recording a staggering. One point two million infections are. We'll cars in california. we're today. They topped a million cases and are adding back some restrictions. Cova cases are spiking in los angeles. In fact here at dodger stadium. They've been forced to extend their testing hours across the city. More than thirty. Two thousand people are being tested. Every day a number that continues to go up we should not be throwing our hands up and saying well. There's nothing we can do. This thing is out of control. There is something we can do officials from coast to coast begging the public to use the tools. That work like milwaukee's mayor. I know we're all tired. I'm tired your but we must remain vigilant in doing this necessary. And ohio's republican governor amid his new mask mandate. We know that mass work. They're the easiest cost effective way to limit the spread of covid nineteen spite skyrocketing cases. Still pockets of resistance to mask mandates this billboard briefly going up and protest in omaha nebraska and every day doctors and nurses on the front lines taking us inside their fight. It's really bad when you have to decide between a trauma patient in code patient in missouri. Forty year old medical technician. Marie bumba took precautions but still got the virus her parents on the phone with marie moments before she was put on a ventilator later died her last words to me were i love you and her dad was driving and he says i love you baby girl and he says i love you. Dad love you and that was it so many families across this country going through those moments. Tom llamas joins us now from new york and of course we're seeing this across the country. Tom new concerns here in new york tonight as well a new advisory in chicago at this hour. That's david that breaking news coming out of chicago moments ago. The mayor issued an advisory starting monday at six. Am people should only travel to work. School and for essential needs back here in new york city. We are seeing the warning signs all around this. These are people waiting in line to get tested david. They were waiting tonight when the rain was pouring down for hours and the big question right. Now what's going to happen to the public. Schools mayor de blasio said today if the infection rate gets to three percent he's gonna shut them down david tonight. It's at two point. Six steadily rising. Tom yomas leading us off tonight. Tom thank you. There's also news tonight on the pfizer. Vaccine the vaccine coming from derna and tonight right here as we await a vaccine in this country a first look at a promising treatment for those battling the virus. Right now eli. Lilly's antibody treatment receiving fda emergency use authorization just this week working to speed up the recovery and some of the most vulnerable patients. Abc's alec press tonight with a first look as we hear from a patient being given this treatment tonight a first look at the new treatment created specifically to attack a corona virus researchers taking the most powerful antibody from one of the first survivors and using it to create a synthetically made version to fight the virus in the game and i knew things were really beginning to look back. David shawls is one of the first cova patients in the country to receive. Eli lilly's new. Fda authorized antibody treatment bam levy mab at clarke memorial hospital in jeffersonville. Indiana shows a doctor on the front lines treating kovic patients tested positive. A couple of days ago. You just got your infusion describe how that was what happened. Hooked me up to ninety and they gave me to one hour. Infusion of the monoclonal antibody there were no side effects to it. And i'm sure that this is going to recovers. You must begin treatment within ten days of the first symptoms and after receiving an infusion patients go home to recover freeing up valuable hospital space and staff. This is a treatment that can keep them from becoming sick and have to be in the hospital so it keeps them out of the healthcare system but only certain patients are eligible must be twelve years or older with mild to moderate symptoms and likely to develop severe illness including with pre existing conditions like diabetes and obesity. It's not for people already in the hospital. Availability is limited eight thousand doses ready now. Two hundred and twelve thousand more expected by the end of the year. Is this the bridge that we needed until we get that widely available vaccine. This is giving us hope it's given us that. Am sunshine to say we have something that will help patients from getting sicker and from this new treatment for those who have it to the vaccines meant to prevent it. Pfizer says early data shows. Its vaccine could be ninety percent effective and may apply for emergency authorization as soon as next week and moderna not far behind with their vaccine saying they could be ready to apply by next month and david doctors across the country are learning more about this new treatment right now along with the rest of us. If you believe. You're a candidate for this new treatment. You should contact your doctor or medical provider and they will help. David are we could use some promising news on this front. Alex thank you meantime. President trump has remained largely out of sight. He has not addressed the country's worsening virus situation his tweet still largely on the election and tonight growing number of republican senators. Who say it's time to start. Giving president elect joe biden the intelligence briefings incoming presidents. Get to keep this country safe. And one republican senator saying. If it doesn't start by the end of this week he'll step in. Here's our chief. White house correspondent. Jonathan karl tonight. There are signs tonight. Republican support for the president's give no ground. Posture is crumbling while most republican senators have yet to concede joe biden won the election. A growing number. Now saying it's time for biden to receive the classified intelligence briefings not only given to a president-elect senator james lankford of oklahoma was the first to make that demand. If that's not a going by friday. I will step in as well and to push to say. This needs to occur so they regardless of the outcome of the election. Whichever way that goes people can be ready for that actual task and today. A number of others agreed. I do think they're going to have to work that out. In very short order all told at least ten republican senators including trump loyalist lindsey. Graham said it's time for biden to get those intel briefings white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany was asked today if the president has considered offering biden the briefings. Her answer left many confused. Has the president consider that. I haven't spoken to the president about that. That would be a question on more for the white house. A question for the white house. She's the white house press secretary. This is not just about security with most of the country. Seeing record numbers of cohen nineteen infections and hospitalizations. The biden transition team has not yet been able to coordinate with the white house corona virus task force all because the president refuses to admit even the possibility he lost the election. As for the president's own actions has not addressed the alarming increase in corona virus cases. In fact he hasn't said a word in public about anything for a week. Most republicans in congress still aren't calling on trump to concede but across the country slowly but surely a growing number of prominent republicans are saying it is time including today. Ohio governor mike. Dewine joe biden is the president. Elect and longtime republican. Strategist karl rove who advised. The president during the campaign published an article in the wall street journal entitled this election result won't be overturned roe verge. The president to do his party unite the country by leading a peaceful transition and leading grievances. Go even the president's friend. Geraldo rivera says it's over the time coming soon to say goodbye with grace and dignity. I know it's hard to hear. But that's that's the way i feel about this now so let's get to giancarlo with us. Live from washington stein and john. Of course this is all happening as the coronavirus crisis explodes in this country and the president. Of course still. The president until the inauguration has not said anything publicly on what americans can do or should do to protect one another of course especially with the holidays coming honestly david. The president has been nowhere on this. He hasn't spoken publicly about the alarming increase in infections. He has not met with the coronavirus task force for months. He hasn't even tweeted about it but today we learned another one of his advisors who was at that election night party at the white house has tested positive for covid. Nineteen this time. It's corey lewandowski. Tonight thank you. John overseas tonight five. Us troops have been killed after a military helicopter crashed in egypt killing seven members of an international peacekeeping force including those five americans officials say the helicopter went down in the sinai peninsula during a routine mission. The blackhawk believed to have suffered a mechanical failure. One american survived the identity of the victims now. You have released president-elect. Joe biden tweeting his condolences to the families tonight. Backyard home into the search for the missing at this hour after tropical storm. Ada hit the for a second time florida's gulf coast. And then this time moving up. The coast combining with another system to bring deadly flooding at least four lives lost in that flooding eight and making landfall north of tampa before dawn with fifty mile an hour winds dangerous storm surge flash flooding killing three people at a campground in hidden night. North carolina more than thirty people rescued at least two are still missing tonight. Including a one-year-old. Let's see meteorologist rob marciano tracking it. All he's in alexander county north carolina for us tonight. Hey rob hi david. North carolina once again. The victim of flash floods caused in part by tropical storm. Many of the roads in this part of piedmont washed out like the one behind me down this road in charlotte. They got four inches of rain in just six hours. Probably got twice that much here. The center of eight or now just off the coast of charleston south carolina and that circulation slamming against the cold front. That's amplifying the flooding range will still be a threat near the coast but by seven. Am the rain is out. But yet again. We're tracking another system heading towards central america likely to be our thirtieth named storm in this record breaking hurricane season. David has just been incredible. Rob thank you. The news continues here and next to the father and son accused of killing him arbery as jog through that georgia neighborhood making their case today to be let out on bond the attorney for one of them saying this was not a hate crime ahmad aubrey's mother and her reaction tonight. Here's abc's adrian bankers tonight attorneys for two of the man accused of murdering ahmad. Arbery seeking the release of the father and son on bond greg travis mcmichael appearing virtually due to covid with family and friends coming forward as character witnesses. The pair seen chasing arbery before travis fatally shot the twenty-five-year-old after spotting him running in their brunswick georgia neighborhood in what they told. Police was an attempted citizen's arrest of a suspected burglar bories mother today outside the courtroom said. She doubts they have any regrets. Allowed to go home so them going home. We're told you. Travis mcmichael friends testifying. He is remorseful his attorney citing his service in the coast guard. Saying this was no hate crime. We have substantial evidence that on the day in question. Mr every was not a job. He was there for various purposes. The prosecution revealing an old text message sent by travis mcmichael to a friend using a racial slur. That friend saying the text was not meant to be racist at all now. David michaels attorneys are asking the judge to reject the dighton. It's malice murder. Charge for saying it was written in such a way that it actually charges to crimes in one count that mcmichael's and a third man who recorded the killing have all played not guilty. The bond hearing resumes. Tomorrow morning. David adrian with us tonight. Thank you we dream and when we come back here the deadly plane crash right into a neighborhood that was trying to land and that twenty nine vehicle pileup on the interstate. Staying informed has never been more. Information is coming faster than ever to. How do you make sense of. It'll start here. hey. I'm brad milkey from abc news. In every weekday we will break down the latest headlines in just twenty minutes straightforward reporting dynamic interviews and analysis from experts. You can trust always credible always solid start here from abc news twenty minutes every weekday on your smart speaker or your favorite podcast app next tonight here that small plane crashing into a neighborhood and bitcoin california just as it was trying to land the plane slamming into several parked cars bursting into flames. The pilot was killed in the crash. The plane coming down within feet of the runway at whiteman airport and that massive pileup in monticello minnesota tonight at least twenty nine vehicles involved the fiery crash. I ninety four at least nine. People treated for minor injuries. Slippery road conditions and poor. Visibility have been blamed. Pope francis has reached out to congratulate. President elect joe biden. Biden's transition office saying to spoke by phone this morning biden thanking the pontiff for his blessings. And congratulations and commending francis for promoting peace and reconciliation. Joe biden is only the second catholic president after john f. kennedy funny tonight here. America strong the trailblazer nearly fifty years later returning to that stage. The country music singer. Charley pride is a trailblazer bound. Lindell easy and just about about them. The son of mississippi sharecroppers. He was a professional baseball player before turning to country music. He became our best selling artists. Since elvis with dozens of number one hits seventy million records sold. He's been called country music's first black superstar. Good morning over babble when you get back on it was nineteen seventy one when he wanted to see him as entertainer of the year war. I want to thank everybody who were responsible and especially all my fans out that last night. Nearly fifty years later at eighty six years old performing at the country music awards was honored with the lifetime. Achievement award god talk. Well all grant you so much you know. You might not believe. But i'm nervous. I'd be nervous humble thanking those who influenced him and those who have listened to music through the years and all my fans. I wanna say thank you. I'm through talking. I guess just going to thank everybody again like i say i'm nervous charley. Pride america strong though question about that updated your with so much at stake so much on the line. More americans turn here than anyplace else. Abc news world news. Tonight with david muir. We have made it through another week together. America's most wants program across all television.
A Thousand Mile Walk to the Gulf, by John Muir, Reading 1
"Good evening and welcome to boring books for bedtime. I hope tonight's installment provides all the boredom Um your busy brain needs to quiet down and let you get some sleep for wants saliva back. Adjust your volume. Take a nice deep breaths and off we go before we begin this evening's reading. I'd like to give a special shattered of thanks to all the patrons on our patriotic on your support makes this podcast possible and it's much appreciated if you are. We're interested in learning about the perks available to subscribers including exclusive episodes. Found nowhere else. You'll find a link to the Patriots page page in the show description. Now let's get to the reading tonight. We're taking a stroll with one of the. The first American environmentalists John Muir and his book a thousand mile. Walk to the Golf Edited by William Frederick Day published by Houghton Mifflin Company Boston and New York Nineteen Sixteen Sixteen. Let's begin introduction John Muir Earth Planet Universe. These words are written on the inside cover of the notebook from which the contents it's of this volume have been taken. They reflect the mood in which the late author and explorer undertook his thousand thousand Mile Walk to the Gulf of Mexico a half century ago. No less does this refreshingly cosmopolitan colloton address which might have startled any finder of the book. Reveal the temper and the comprehensiveness of Mr. Moore's mind mind. He never was and never could be a parochial student of nature even at the early age of twenty nine his eager interest in every aspect of the natural world had made him a citizen of the universe. Wow this was by far the longest botanical excursion. which Mr Muir made in his earlier years it it was by no means the only one he had bought an is around the Great Lakes in Ontario and through parts of Wisconsin Jason Indiana and Illinois on these expeditions? He had disciplined himself to endure hardship for his. The notebooks disclosed the fact that he often went hungry and slept in the woods or on the open prairies with no cover except the clothes he wore. He writes in some unpublished biographical notes quote. Often Times Times I had to sleep out without blankets and also without supper or breakfast but usually I had no great difficulty. Not In finding a loaf of bread in the widely scattered clearings of the farmers with one of these big backwoods lobes. I was able to wander many along. Wild mile freeze. The winds. In the glorious forests and bogs gathering plants plants and feeding on God's abounding inexhaustible spiritual beauty bread only once in my long Canada hinted wanderings was the deep piece of the Wilderness savagely broken. It happened in the Maple Woods about midnight when I was cold and my fire was low. I was awakened by the awfully dismal. Howling of the wolves and got up in haste aced to replenish the fire and quote? It was not therefore a new species of adventure upon which Mr Intramural embarked when he started on his southern foot tour. It was only a new response to the lure of those favorite studies. He's which he had already pursued over uncounted miles of virgin western forests and prairies. Indeed indeed had it not been for the accidental injury to his right eye. In the month of March eighteen sixty seven he probably would have started. It's somewhat earlier than he did in a letter to Indianapolis friends on the day. After the accident he refers mournfully due to the interruption of a long cherished plan. He writes quote for weeks. I have daily consulted that maps in locating a route through the southern states. The West indies South America and Europe up a tentacle journey. He studied for years. And so my mind has long been an glow with visions of the glories of a tropical flora. But Alas I am half blind my right eye trained to minute. Analysis is lost and I have scarce heart to open the other had. This journey been accomplished. The stock of very beauty acquired would have made me willing to shrink into any corner of the world however obscure and however remote end quote the injury to his. I proved to be less serious than he added. I supposed in June. He was writing to a friend quote. I have been reading and bought nizing for some weeks and find that for such work. I am not very much disabled. I leave Indianapolis for home tomorrow. Accompanied by Merrill. Moores a little friend of mine we will go ooh Decatur Illinois thence northward through the wide prairies. But nizing a few weeks by the way I hope to go south south towards the end of the summer and has this will be a journey that I know very little about. I hope to profit by your console before setting Out and quote in an account written after the excursion he says quote I was eager to see Illinois prairies. On my way home so we went to decatur near the center of the State Thence North to portage Kerak forward and Janesville. I bought Nice one week on the prairie about seven miles. Southwest of Peggy. Tanakahe her to me. All plants are more precious than before my poor. I is not better nor worse. A cloud loud is over it but in gazing over the whitest landscapes. I am not always sensible of its presence and quote by the end of August. Mr Muir was back again in Indianapolis he had found it convenient to spend a potential handed. Go Week among his university friends in Madison so keen was his interest in plants. At this time that an inner full of five hours spent in Chicago was promptly turned to account in a search for them quote. I did not find find many plants in her tumultuous streets only a few grassy plants of wheat and two or three species of weeds. amaranth breath purse lane carpet. We'd etc the weeds I suppose for man to walk upon the wheat to feed him him. I saw some green algae but no mosses some of the latter. I expected to see on wet walls and in seems on the pavements but I suppose that the manufacturer smoke and the terrible noise are too great for the heartiest of them mm-hmm. I wish I knew where I was going. Doomed to be carried of the spirit into the Wilderness. I suppose I wish I could be more moderate in my desires but I cannot and so there is no rest end quote. The letter noted above was written only two days before he started on his long. Walk the Florida. If the concluding sentences still reflect indecision they also convey a hint of the over mastering impulse halse under which he was acting the opening sentences of his journal afterwards crossed out witness Kness to this sense of inward compulsion which he felt he wrote. Few bodies are inhabited by so oh satisfied. A soul that they are allowed exemption from extraordinary exertion through a whole life and quote after reciting illustrations of Nature's periodicity of the ebbs and flows of tides. And the Pulse Ation Shen of other forces visible and invisible. He observes that quote so also there are. Tides adds not only in the affairs of men but in the primal thing of life itself in some persons the the impulse being slight is easily obeyed or overcome but in others it is constant and cumulative cumulative in action until its power is sufficient to over master all impediments and to accomplish the full measure sure of its demands for many a year I have been impelled toward the Lord's Tropic Gardens of the south many influences have tended to blunt or berry this constant longing but it has outlived and overpowered them. All and quote Muir's love of nature was so largely a part of his religion that he naturally chose Biblical phraseology when he sought a vehicle for his feelings. No profit of old could have taken his call more serious play or have entered upon his mission more fervently during the long days of his confinement in a dark room he he had opportunity for much reflection he concluded that life was too brief and uncertain. And Time too you precious to waste upon belts and saws that while he was pottering a wagon factory God was this making a world and he determined that if his eyesight was spared he would devote the remainder of his life to a study study of the process thus the previous bent of his habits and studies and the sobering thoughts induced by one of the bitterest interest experiences of his life combined to send him on the long journey recorded in these pages. Some autobiographical notes found among his papers furnish interesting additional details about the period between his is released from the dark room anticipate archer for the south. He says quote as soon yes. I got out into Heaven's light. I started on another long excursion. Making haste with all my heart to store my mind with the Lord's beauty and thus be ready for any faint light or dark and it was from this time that my long continuous wanderings may be said to have fairly commenced. I obeyed you too. Mechanical inventions determined to devote the rest of my life to the study of the inventions of God. I I went home to Wisconsin but nizing by the way to take leave of my father and mother brothers and sisters all of whom were still living near portage. I also visited the neighbors. I had known as a boy renewed nude way acquaintance with them after an absence of several years and paid each oth- formal goodbye when they asked where I was going. I said Oh I don't know. Just anywhere in the wilderness southward. I have already had glorious. Glimpses of the Wisconsin Iowa Michigan Indiana and Canada wilderness. is now I propose to go south and see something of the vegetation of the warm end of the country and if possible to wander far enough into South America to see tropical vegetation in all its Palmy glory. The neighbors wished me well advised me to be careful of my health and reminded handed me that the swamps in the south were full of malaria. I stopped overnight at the home of an old scotch lady who had long been my friend and was now particularly motherly in good wishes and advice. I told her that as as I was sauntering along the road justice the Sun was going down. A- I heard darling. speckled breast sparrow singing the day's done the day's done. Well John My dear lady she replied Your Day will never for be done. There is no end to the kind of studies you like so well but there is an end to mortal strength of body and mind to all that mortals can accomplish. You are sure to go on and on but I want you you to remember the fate of Hugh Miller. She was one of the finest examples I ever knew of a kind kind generous great hearted Scotch woman and quote the formal leave taking from family and neighbors burs indicates his belief that he was partying from home and friends for a long time on Sunday. The first after September eighteen sixty seven. Mr Muir said goodbye also to his Indianapolis friends and went by Rail Jeffersonville where he spent the night. The next morning he crossed the river walked through. lavelle and struck southward word to the state of Kentucky. A letter written a week later among the hills of Bear Creek. Seven miles southeast of burks Ville Kentucky shows that he had covered about twenty five miles a day. He says quote I walked from Louisville a distance of one hundred and seventy miles and my feet are sore. But oh I am paid for all all my toil a thousand times over. I am in the woods on a hilltop with my back against a mosque clad log aug-. I wish you could see my last evenings bedroom. The Sun has been among the tree tops for more than an hour. You're the do is nearly all taken back and the shade in these hill. Basins is creeping away into the unbroken broken strongholds of the grand old forests. I have enjoyed the trees and scenery of Kentucky exceedingly. Dingley how shall I ever tell of the miles and miles of beauty. That have been flowing into me in such which measure these lofty curving ranks of low wing. Swelling hills these concealed the old valleys of fathomless verger and these lordly trees with the nursing sunlight glancing in their leaves upon the outlines of the magnificent masses of shade and bosom among their wide branches. These are cut into my memory to go with me forever. I was a few miles South Lavelle when I planned my journey. I spread out my map under a tree and made up my mind to go through Kentucky Tennessee Georgia to Florida thence just to Cuba thence to some part of South America but it will be only a hasty walk I am thankful however however for so much my route will be through Kingston and Madisonville Tennessee and through Blair's fell and Gainesville Georgia. Aw please write me gains fell. I am terribly let her hungry. I hardly dare to think of home and friends friends and quote in editing the journal I have endeavoured by use of all the available evidence to trail Mr Moore as closely as possible on maps of the eighteen sixties as well as on the most recent state and topographical Oh maps. The one used by him has not been found and probably is no longer in existence. Only about twenty two towns and cities are mentioned in his journal. This constitutes a very small number when one considers what's the distance he covered. Evidently he was so absorbed in the plant life of the region traversed that he paid no heed towns and perhaps avoided them whenever possible. The sickness which overtook you in Florida was probably I believe a malarial kind. Although he describes it under different names it was no doubt a misfortune in itself and severe test for his vigorous constitution but it was also a blessing in disguise. It is much as it prevented him from. Carrying bring out his foolhardy plan of penetrating the tropical jungles of South America along the Andes to a tributary of the Amazon John and then floating down the river on a raft to the Atlantic as readers of the Journal will perceive. He Clung to this intention even during his convalescence at Cedar Keys and in Cuba in a letter dated the eighth of November. You're he describes himself as just creeping about getting plants and strength after my fever then he asks asks his correspondent to direct letters to New Orleans Louisiana he writes. I shall have to go there for a boat to South America I do not yet know which point in South America I had better go and quote his hope defined find their a boat for south. America explains an otherwise mystifying letter in which he requested his brother David to send him a certain and some of money by American Express horder to New Orleans as a matter of fact he did not go into Louisiana China at all either because he learned that. No southbound ship was available at the mouth of the Mississippi or because the unexpected appearance of the island bell in the harbor of Cedar Keys caused him to change his plans in later for years Mr Moore himself strongly disparaged the wisdom of his plans with respect to South America as may be seen in the chapter that deals with his Cuban so turn the judgment their expressed was led penciled into his journal during a reading reading of it long afterwards nevertheless the Andes and the South American forests continued to fascinate his imagination as his letter show for many years after he came to California when the long defer her journey to South America was finally made in nineteen eleven forty four years after the first attempt he Wims Ikley spoke of it as the fulfillment of those youthful dreams that moved him to undertake his thousand mile. Walk to the Golf Mr. You're always recalled with gratitude. The Florida friends who nursed him through his long and serious illness in eighteen. Ninety eight while traveling through the south on a forest inspection tour with his friend Charles. SPRAGUE SPRAGUE's sergeant. He took occasion to revisit the scenes of his early adventures. It may be of interest to quote some some sentences from letters written at that time to his wife and to his sister Sarah quote. I have been down the east side side of the Florida peninsula. Along the Indian river through the palm and pine forests to Miami and thence to key West I and the south most keys stretching out towards Cuba returning I crossed over to the west coast by Palanca. Cut To Cedar keys on my old track made thirty one years ago in search of the Hudson's who nursed me through my long attack of fever. Mr Hodgson died long ago. Also the eldest son with whom I used to go boating among the keys while slowly convalescing and quote he then tells how he found Mrs Hodgson and and the rest of the family at Archer they had long thought him dead and were naturally very much surprised to see him. Mrs Hodgson was in her garden and he recognized her though the years had altered her appearance. Let us give his own account of the meeting quote. I asked her if she knew me. No I don't she said tell. Tell me Your name Muir. I replied John Muir my California John Muir she almost screamed I said yes John Muir and you know I promised to return and visit you in about twenty five years and though so I am a little late six or seven years. I've done the best. I could the eldest boy and girl remembered the stories. Yes I told them and when they read about the Muir glacier they felt sure it must have been named for me. I stopped at Archer chur about four hours and the way we talked over old times. You may imagine and quote from Savannah Vanna on the same trip. He wrote quote here is where I spent a hungry weary yet. Happy Week camping in bonaventure graveyard. Thirty one years ago many changes I am told have been made. It's graves and avenues of late. And how many in my life and quote in Perusing cruising this journal the reader will miss the literary finish which Mr Mueller was accustomed to give to his later writings. This this fact calls for no excuse. Not only are we dealing here with the earliest product of his pen. But with impressions and Observations Survey Shins written down hastily during pauses in his Long March. He apparently intended to use this raw all material at some time for another book if the record as it stands lacks finish and adornment it. It also possesses the immediacy and the freshness of first impressions the sources which. I have used in preparing this volume. All you are three. Fold one the original Journal of which the first half contained many intern linear revisions and expansions actions and a considerable number of rough pencil sketches of plants trees scenery and notable adventures to a wide spaced type written rough copy of the Journal. Apparently enlarge part dictated to inaugura for it is only slightly. Revised and comparison with the original journal shows many significant omissions and additions wins. Three two separate elaborations of his experiences in Savannah when he camped there for a week. In the bonaventure graveyard throughout my work upon the primary and secondary materials I was impressed with the scrupulous purpose. Fidelity with which adhered to the facts and impressions sat down in the original journal. Readers of mirrors writings need scarcely be told that this book autobiographically bridges the period between the story of my Boyhood Boyhood and youth and my first summer in the Sierra however one span of the bridge was lacking lacking for the journal ends with Mr Moore's arrival in San Francisco about the first of April eighteen sixty eight while while his first summer in the Sierra was that of eighteen sixty nine by excerpt from a letter a summary account of his first visit is it to Yosemite and including a description of Twenty hill hollow where he spent a large part of his first year in California -Fornia the connection is made complete. The last chapter was first published as an article. In the overland monthly of July eighteen seventy two a revised copy of the printed article found found among Muir's literary effects has been made the basis of the chapter on Twenty Hill Hollow as it appears in this this volume William Frederick Bandai a thousand Mile Walk to the Golf Golf Chapter One Kentucky forests and caves. I had long. I've been looking from the wildwoods and gardens of the northern states to those of the warm south and at last all draw backs overcome. I set forth from Indianapolis on the first day of September eighteen sixty seven Kevin Joyful and free on a thousand Mile Walk to the Gulf of Mexico. The the trip to Jeffersonville on the banks of the Ohio was made by Rail Crossing the Ohio at Louisville September. The second I steered through the Big City by compass without speaking a word to anyone beyond the the city I found a road running southward and after passing a scatter mint of suburban cabins and cottages. I reached the Greenwood's and spread out my pocket map to run a few a plan for my journey. My plan plan was simply to push on in general southward direction by the wildest leakiest and least trodden way. I could find promising. The greatest extent of Ferguson forest folding my map I shouldered my little bag and the plant press and strode away among the old Kentucky oaks rejoicing in splendid visions of Pines and poems and tropic flowers in glorious array not however without a few cold shadows of loneliness although the great oaks seemed to spread their arms in welcome I have seen scene oaks of many species in many kinds of exposure and saw but those of Kentucky Excel in grandeur all I had ever before beheld. They are broad and dance and bright green in the leafy bowers and caves of their long branches. Twelve magnificent avenues of shade and every tree seems to be blessed. I with double portion off strong insulting. Life walked twenty miles mostly on river bottom and found shelter in a rickety tavern. September third escaped from the dust and squalor squalor of my Garrett bedroom to the glorious forest all the streams that I tasted hereabouts are salty and so are the wells. Salt River was nearly dry much of my way. This forenoon was over naked limestone stone after passing the level ground that extended twenty five or thirty miles from the river. I came to a region of Rolling Rolling Hills called Kentucky knobs hills of Dan. You dacian covered with trees to the top some of them have a few pines for a few hours. I followed the farmers paths but soon wandered away from roads and encountered many a tribe of twisted vines difficult to pass emerging about noon from grove of giant giant sunflowers. I found myself on the brink of a tumbling rocky stream called rolling four. I did not expect to find bridges on my wild ways ended once started to Ford when a woman on the opposite bank earnestly he called on me to wait until she could tell the men folks to bring me a horse that the river was too deep and rapid to wade and and I would certainly be drowned if I attempted to cross I replied that my bag and plants would ballast me that the water did not appear to be deep and that if I were carried away I was a good swimmer and would soon dry in the sunshine but the cautious old soul replied that no one ever waded that river and set off for a horse saying that that it would be no trouble at all in a few minutes. The ferry horse came gingerly down the bank through fines and weeds. His long still two legs proved him a natural waiter. He was white and the little boy that road him looked like a bug on his back. After many tottering halt the outward voyage was safely made and I'm mounted behind him. The old horse overladen with his burden rocked and stumbled on his stove. Legs with fair promises of Fall Fall but all ducking signs failed and arrived in safety among the weeds and fines of the rugged bank assault bath would have done us no harm. I called it the homestead where my ferrymen informed me. I would find tolerable horrible water but like all the water of this section that I have tasted it was intolerable with salt. Everything the thing about this old Kentucky home bespoke plenty unpolished and unmeasured. The House was built in true southern turnstile airy large and with a transverse central hall. That looks like a railway tunnel and heavy rough Outside chimneys the other buildings are enough number for a village altogether an interesting representative of a genuine an old Kentucky home and Bosom D- in orchards cornfields and green wooded hells past gangs of woodmen engaged in hewing the grand oaks for market fruit very abundant magnificent flowing hill scenery all afternoon walked southeast from Elizabethtown till wearied and lay down in the bushes by by guess September fourth. The Sun was gilding the hilltops when I was awakened by the alarm notes of birds whose dwelling in a Hazel thicket. I had disturbed. They flitted excitedly close to my head as Ziff scolding or asking angry questions while saffron beautiful plants strangers to me where looking me full in the face. The first botanical discovery in bed this was one of the most delightful camp grounds rounds though groped for in the dark and lingered about eight enjoying its trees and soft lights and music walked ten miles of forest mattis. Strange Oak with willow looking leaves entered a Sandy Sandy stretch of black oak called barons many of which were sixty or seventy feet in height and are said to have grown own since the fires were kept off forty years ago the farmers hereabouts are tall. Stout happy fellow rose fond of guns and horses. Enjoyed friendly chats with them arrived at dark in a village. The seemed to be drawing. Its last breath was guided to the tavern by a man who was extremely accommodating. No trouble well it. All he said September fifth no bird or flower or friendly tree above me this morning only squalid Garrett rubbish and dust escaped to the woods came to the region of caves at the mouth of the I I discovered. I was surprised to find ferns which belonged to the coolest nukes of Wisconsin Johnson northward but soon observed that each cave rim has shown of climate peculiar to itself and it is always cool. This cave had an opening about ten feet in diameter and twenty five feet perpendicular herpin dealer depth a strong cold wind issued from it. And I could hear the sounds of running water. A along. Poll was set against its walls as if intended for a ladder but in some places it was slippery and smooth is amassed fast and protest the climbing powers of a monkey. The walls and Rim of this natural reservoir were finely carved and flowered word Bush's leaned over it with shading leaves and beautiful ferns and mosses or in rows and and she beats on its slopes and shelves lingered here a long happy while pressing specimens winds and printing. This beauty into memory arrived about noon at Mumford. Fell was soon discovered covered and examined by Mr Mumford himself a pioneer and father of the village. He is a surveyor has is held all country offices and every seeker of roads and lands applies to him for information. He regards hearts all the villagers as his children and all strangers who in turn for advil as his own visitors. Of course he the inquired my business destination et CETERA and invited me to his house after refreshing me with Pars I. He complacently covered the table with bits of rocks plants et cetera things new and old which he had gathered in his surveying hang walks and supposed to be full of scientific interest. He informed me that all scientific men applied to him. MM for information. And as I was a botanist he either possessed or ought to possess the knowledge I was seeking and and so are received long lessons concerning roots and herbs for every mortal ill thanking my benefactor for his kindness I escaped to the fields and followed a railroad along the base of Grant Hill Ridge as evening came on all the dwellings I found seemed to repel me and I could not muster courage enough to ask entertainment of any of them took refuge in a log schoolhouse that stood on a hillside beneath stately lately oaks and slept on the softest looking of the bench is September sixth started at the earliest birdsong in hopes of seeing the great mammoth cave before evening overtook an old man Dan driving an ox team road with him a few miles and had some interesting chat concerning war wild fruits the woods et cetera arrived at Horse Cave about ten miles from the Great Cave. The entrance is by along easy slope of several hundred yards. It seems like a noble gateway to the birthplace of Springs and fountains and the dark treasuries of the mineral kingdom. This cave is in a village of the same name which supplies with an abundance ends of cold water and cold air that issues from its fern clad lips in hot weather crowds of people said set about it in the shade of the trees that guarded. This magnificent fan is capable of cooling. Everybody in the town at once. Those who live near lofty mountains may climb to who whether in a day or two. But the overheated Kentuckians can find a patch of cool climate in almost every Glenn in the state the villager accompanied me said that Horse Cave Save had never been fully explored but that it was several miles in length. At least he told me that he had never been at Cathal cave that it was not worth going ten miles to see as it was nothing but a hole in the ground and I found that his was no rare case. He was one of the useful practical men to wise to waste precious time with weeds. Needs Caves fossils or anything else that he could not eat arrived at the great. Mammoth Cave Steve. I was surprised to find it. In so complete naturalness a large hotel with fine walks and gardens this near it but fortunately the cave has been unimproved and were it not for the narrow trail that leads down the glen into its door. One would not know that it had been visited their house rooms and halls whose entrances give but slight light hint of their grandeur and so also this magnificent hall in the Mineral Kingdom of Kentucky has a door comparatively small and unpromising one might pass within a few yards of it without noticing it a strong cool breeze issues constantly from it creating a northern climate for the ferns that adorn its rocky front. I don't I never before. Saw Nature's grandeur in so abrupt contrast with paltry artificial gardens for the fashionable hotel. Grounds are an exact parlor taste with many beautiful plant cultivated to deformity. Maddie and arranged in strict geometrical beds the whole pretty affair a laborious failure when side it by side with divine beauty. The trees around the mouth of the cave are smooth and tall and bent forward word at the bottom then straight upwards only butter not seems by its angular naughty branches to sympathize thighs with and belong to the cave with a fine growth of says up terrace and hypnotism started for Glasgow. Junction got belated in the hill woods enquired my way at a farmhouse and was invited needed to stay overnight in a rare hearty hospitable manner engaged familiar running talk on politics. Wchs wartimes in theology the Old Kentucky and seemed to take a liking to me and advised me to stay in these hills. Dell's until next spring assuring me that I would find much to interest me in and about the great cave also that he he was one of the school officials and was sure that I could obtain their school for the winter term. I sincerely thanked him for his kind. Signed plans but pursued my own September seven left the hospitable Kentucky ends ends with their sincere good wishes and borough way southward again through the deep Greenwood's in noble forests wrists all day. Some mistletoe for the first time part of the day I traveled with the Kentucky in from near Birks Fell Dell. He spoke to all he met with familiar. Kindly greetings addressing them always uncles and aunts all travellers when meets on these roads white and black male and female travel on horseback. Glasgow is one of the few southern towns that shows ordinary American life at night with the well to do farmer. You're September eighth deep green bossy. See of waving flowing hilltops corn and cotton and tobacco fields scattered. Here and there. I had imagined that a cotton field in flower flower was something magnificent but cotton is a course rough straggling unhappy looking plant. Not Half as good looking as a field of Irish potatoes. The scenery on approaching the Cumberland River becomes still grander. birks will in beautiful location is him. Bosom D- in a glorious array of verdant flowing hills the cumberland must be a happy stream. I think I could enjoy traveling with it in the midst of such beauty all my life. This evening I could find unwilling to take me in and sold lay down on a hillside and fell asleep muttering praises to the happy abounding beauty of Kentucky. September ninth breath another day. In the most favoured province of bird and flower many rapid streams flowing in beautiful full flower boarded canyons. Im- Bosom D- intense. Words am seated on a grant hill slope that leans back back against the sky like a picture amid the wide waves of Greenwood. There are spots of autumnal yellow and the atmosphere to has the dawning of autumn in colors and sounds the soft light of morning falls upon ripening forests of Oak and Elm Walnut and Hickory and all nature is thoughtful and Calm Alm Kentucky is the greenest Lee Feast State. I have yet seen the Sea of soft temperate. Plant Green is deepest here comparing volumes of a vegetable verger in different countries to a wedge. The thick end would be in the forests of Kentucky. The other in the Lichens and mosses of the north this this furniture wedgewood not be perfect in its lines from Kentucky it would maintain its kness long and well in passing the level forests of Indiana and Canada from the Maples and Pines of Canada. It would slope rapidly to the bleak. Arctic kills with Dwarf Birches and alters fence it would then out in a long edge among hardy lichens and liverworts and mosses to the dwelling places of Everlasting Frost far the grandest of all Kentucky Kentucky plans are her noble exce- the hair the master existences of her exuberant forests. Here is is the Eden. The Paradise of Oaks passed the Kentucky Line towards evening and obtained food food and shelter from a thrifty Tennessee farmer after he had made use of all the ordinary anti hospitable arguments since off cautious comfortable families September tenth escaped from a heap of uncork Kindness to the generous bosom of the woods after a few miles of level ground in luxuriant tangles uprooting vines. I began the ascent of the Cumberland Mountains. The first real mountains that my foot ever touched changed or is beheld. The ascent was by nearly regular zigzag slope mostly covered up like a tunnel by overarching arching oaks but there were a few openings where the Glorious Forest Road of Kentucky was grandly seen stretching coaching over hill and valley adjusted to every slope and curve by the hands of nature the most sublime and comprehensive picture that ever entered my eyes reached the summit in six or seven hours a strangely a long period of upgrade work to one accustomed only to the hill icke levels of Wisconsin and adjacent states and with that we've reached the end of this first leg of our journey with John Muir and his his thousand mile walk to the golf. I think we'll leave the rest of the nine hundred miles for another evening. Hopefully you're no longer awake to hear this. But if you are and you'd like to read this work for yourself you'll find a link to a free e Book version from Project Aged Gutenberg in the show description. 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