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The Soft Block

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28:55 min | 2 years ago

The Soft Block

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None of them are that good. Oh, pick a bad one. I got a new wallet. And I'm trying to make it like stay together. You know what I'm saying? Like you put too much stuff in your all. Then you need to like sit on it. Oh, is it like falling open? Yes. It is falling open. So I have a my butt and your but inside my pants. Okay. My gene pocket, and that's it. That's my whole story was with you. Jen. What is with me? Watching a lot of TV watching a lotta reruns of survivor, what L A, and I noticed you cut out my little twenty minute rant about survivor and that one episode what was that about? We didn't notice that to eat a little editorial direction from himself. To the fire. And we're putting it back in. So this is what Ian cut out from a couple of episodes ago starting now, I love how you're like pointing the blame squarely on an because I didn't notice either give us an updated thing. So you're watching survivor. Jeff Probst is still this whole Jeff Probst, the most bo- talks man on television. I'm looking up up on the internet. He's been on TV since two thousand and he still looks basically the same. I imagine. There are probably six to twelve people to handle his skin. Yeah. Probably more people to handle his hats handle, his eyebrows. And no shave, man. He looks good. I mean, someone who spends twelve hours a day in some pretty good. Like, that's the thing. I always tell myself when I start comparing myself to actors and actresses and stuff like that is I'm like, you know, what I don't get paid to look attractive, and I don't have the money that they do that yet, but they do to themselves. That's what happens it's like a cycle. It's like you get paid to be attractive. And then you use that money to make. Yourself more attractive than you get paid to be attractive, and they use that money to upkeep your exist. Glee. It's a cycle. And like, I'm happy to not have to deal with that more power to anybody. Who does right? It's kind of like a business expense at that point. Oh, totally your face is what's appearing on TV? It it has to look a certain way to meet certain unfair standards. Guess what was I going to say about Jeff Probst is just have so much to say, oh, another thing. Every celebrity has had professional work done on their face. Oh, yeah. Everyone phone talks other surgeries of all kinds. Like, he's even mentioned it before a show that awesome. I know kind of proud of him. I think it's important for us to talk more openly about what it actually takes to look like that. Yeah. Because our expectations of what we look like at like, you know, fifty sixty whatever are very different from what will actually occur. Yeah. Like, you know, the Golden Globes last night and all the celebs. I follow on on Instagram. We're posting. They're getting ready photos, and I feel like a mix of like curiosity alarm interest in how long it takes for them to look that way. Yeah. Freaks me out. What what did you find out? What what are the had Dietz? Well, so Heidi Klum posts like getting ready, but not super card. So what are they called like like, so like they filmed did all day, and then they made it real fast whole day. Yeah. What is that? Call. Oh will. But you. But you totally interpreted ten laps. That's the one. So she did a time lapse and she likes set up the camera right in front of her as people are doing your hair and makeup. And then like, you know, zoomed it over the amount of hours, so many people. I I like I watched a couple of seconds of it. And it's like, whoa. Whoa. Look that one person's just working on her right cheek. That person's got her left eye. Oh my God. Who's that? We're that person. Come from like a team hit crew face. Yeah. Just a face. That's really interesting. It was it was scary like because I would feel a combination of things one. I would feel like a weird Frankenstein, you know, like people like surgery meet together. And have that many people that close to your face sounds pretty terrible. Yeah. But then also, you know, you feel like a work of art. Yep. You know? But then also you look in the mirror after that near like who the fuck, I know like I already feel that way. And I really like us just conceal her and lip stain. I can't imagine. If I had a pit crew on like, my left tit and my right foot. Yeah. What I would. Thanks to most attractive parts of my body person gets paid one hundred thousand dollars a year to strap in trans foot in my life tit. Okay. Maybe we should move. The heck I don't see why a speaking of altering your appearance, speaking of that of Instagram speaking of social media God's there. It's time for social media crushes Jen with the first question. Sorry. I was channeling like, Jeff I liked it. I was friends with someone for years and had a quiet crush on them. Then a number of months back. They started to move the friendship into romantic territory, and I took that chance because I was definitely interested in smooch is when it came time for this Moocher's, it just didn't work out between us they backed far away from the entire friendship and stopped talking to me. I was hurt and said some not great things that I regret I can tell from a little they said that the friendship is done. It is art in a place where they can be my friend. But here's the thing. They still follow me on Twitter. They are still friends with me on Facebook, Snapchat. At steam, even I don't know why they haven't on front of me, if they feel strongly as they do I feel weird on fronting them because I missed the friendship and still have a desire to keep the lines of communication open. Plus, we have many mutual friends and professional acquaintances on these social networks, which makes me feel even stranger about on funding them, but the social media reminders of a loss friendship are hard to ignore and still sting. It's time for me to just cut those strings. Yes. Yeah. So yeah. I don't think you mentioned a professional acquaintances. I don't think your professional network will suffer at all from you just quietly on following. Yeah. And honestly like if you wanted to keep them unjust Lincoln. And that's that's a message that we are only in friends in this context. And you did say you wanted to keep the lines of communication open. But unfriendly unfaltering, I'm social media is definitely not closing a door. It's like closing the screen door because you can always follow them. Again. You knew their name. They you know, they're handle. Yeah. And it sounds like you are open to them contacting you, and they can do that. If they want just because you don't. Follow them on Twitter. Doesn't mean like you said, you're you're not slamming the door closed and locking. It. Totally totally. I actually went through this before I had a Twitter crush situation, and we both un-filed each other to like, you know, cleared out of our systems or whatever this is like a long time ago. And then I followed them again, and they followed me back and now we're Twitter friends again. But that's the only context we have is we are social media friends, and it was really healthy because we took that time off. So it seems that no matter what way you want this to end. So whether you want to be tied again or you want to never speak, again, take care of you right now in the present, and that would be on following them. Yeah. You said it stings every time you see their name. Yeah. Definitely and follow on Snapchat on Facebook on steam in the thing is that do you want this person to keep following you? That's a good point. Does that make you feel weird yet because there is the option of the soft Block O tricks plane? Explain this soft lock the south Loch is when you block a person on a social media site and then. Quickly unblock them. What happens then is that they unfold you, and they don't get like an odor vacation about it or anything, and then they would have to opt into follow you again. And I think that that would also give you assign, you know, so if you soft locked this person, and then they sought you out again follow you. It's like, okay mo-. Maybe that's a cue that they want to be social media buds. But either way again taking care of present. You is the best way to set up a foundation of potentially being friends with them again in the future. Yeah. You've got a setup for every possibility here in unfailing them is is actually the way to do that, man. This was so much easier in the days of live journal. Yeah. You could have filtered entries, which I used you could have private journal you could have public entries while. So those are all erased lose that generic I loved live journey, and I wonder if I can still find my old live journal, nobody Google that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, I feel like this is I hate to say it was about any question that we get. But this does feel cut and dry to me. Ties. Yeah. Because like the consequences of you on following our walking, you whatever aren't tremendous yet. It's just quietly taking care of something. It's kind of like, let's say removing their phone number from your Pap five context list. Right. It's it's an important move. But it's small, you know, like just do it. Yeah. And also like it just doesn't matter like un-filed, whoever, you know. Like, it doesn't matter if they cared to their problem. You're just done, and that's fine. And like again, maybe keep his ass on linked in. So you've professional acquaintances. But like seriously, that's it. I just googled how big is the universe. It says the observable universe is ninety three billion light years in diameter. Wow. In no one in their cares. If you want follow this person, not to not to like minimize your problems because it's it's rude. And people were like all the problems in the world, and you care about this. I mean what I mean is no one in the observable universe should care. Yeah. It like you are in actual real pain from an actual in real traumatic experience, which is losing. Somebody who is close to you. And that is accurate like as much as like, oh, it was just cut and dry or whatever. It's only because we know that if you have a headache you take frigging ibuprofen. If you don't wanna be reminded about this person, you gotta on follow them. And again, it's not like getting a frigging vasectomy. You know, you don't have to go into the doctor and like, schedule an appointment and icier neds for like, I don't know. How many days snap snap snap rate? Yeah. You if you wanna follow them again, you can if you have a close friend to whom you can talk to about this make them do it be like patron. Here's my Twitter account. Can you make me can you just press the button on on follow here? I can't bring myself to do it. But it needs to be done. That's so cute. I would on follow so many men for you. I know I know you would too late. I've already unfold all the men in Mali, all I only Jeff juxtapose now. I wouldn't far far back into Jeff PROST Twitter. The other night, I was trying so hard to find out who the fuck this person is like you want to understand. I'm so curious about this guy because why spend every evening with him now, but I really him and jeopardy guy. Yeah. Extra back who is such an asshole. But froze, I suspect is not an asshole. And I'm so I'm just trying to understand like is this guy a robot is used survivor robot. What is his deal, but his Twitter feed is all about survivor. It's only talking about survivor. Did he make the show or is? He just the host. He's a producer for. No. So it was like, hey, get ready for survivor, eight PM central tonight. Got a great episode of survivor. Oh, you want to send me your tapes for survivor? Do you ever? Do you friends now family his his family is the survivor online community? I can't find anything out about this guy. My fall, Jeff proce fans out there, send me what you know. Well, I mean, if you think okay now, let's get real in depth at Jeff probes. Just just momentarily, and you better fucking that cut this or your fire your fire. So just probes. I mean, really survivor was one of the first like reality shows that really kicked shit. All. Yeah. You know, because like before it was just like MTV road rules or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Survivor was the first lake I could be wildly wrong about this. And I'm making these statements with almost no research having been done or like reading having been done either. You're right survivor predates September eleventh holy shit. I know that's how old survivor is old drift process. Exactly. So like if you think about this like he made it his life's work to film, hungry people on an island, and it's been twenty years and workout pretty well for him. I honestly can't blame him for being way into this weird thing. He oh. I mean, I'm way into it. What's his middle name? Oh, that's such a good question. He's got a website that has not been updated since two thousand three I would say an gonna show it to you right now. Ready turn. Yeah. Get ready for this. Actual anime. Nation. What could his face Lee? Did he just bounce? Did he wants and just Probst dot com? Prost dot com. He's got a contact page this page. This website hasn't been updated since two thousand three I am just so fascinated by this character while he's he's starting a lot of books. Wow. About survivor does about all called like stranded or stranded to he's a Scorpio. Oh, that's interesting. I guess should we move on. She does a lot about. Question. Two is a good a good idea. Let's do it question to this question makes me giggle because I can just I can this is like a page out of the life of a twenty two year old online, and it makes me so happy, please inva- Cise the parts that are written in all cap. I will don't you worry girlfriend last year? I joined an online community and made some online friends who are even from the same country. As me near the end of the year. We all met up for the first time in person at a convention after the con-, I realized I was developing a slight crush on some of them, but I just left it 'cause it's fun to have small crushes. And I'm a straight says man and thereby says women, and I don't want to make them uncomfortable in a space, which is already quite hostile towards them. That's like the best line ever written, by the way, extremely good job. All of those very good recently. However, one of these friends made some clothes, and when I asked to see them, they showed me a photo of them wearing it. And I realized that I definitely. Had a crush on them. And they were definitely very cute. Please help me figure out how to deal with online crushes. Thank you so much Jenin Tren. How do I deal with crushes on online friends? I'm at a complete loss as to what to do. I do wanna read the PS important PS for fun extra info when I joined this community two of these women were flirting very regularly together. And although it's dropped back in recent times to my knowledge, it's added to my hesitance and confusion on what I should do. Their rushes little boy enjoy this because I feel it can ship with you that you have an internet community. That's kind of blending into your community. And I like that you said you have crushes on some of them, and I can feel your confusion. I I feel like you've just been like dipped into the pool of hormones and horn Eunice that is online, and you don't know what to do with the feelings that you're feeling boy. Welcome welcome to the funder dome. The fierce kills me the PS is this. I think the cutest thing because people just flirting left and right. It's a big online cuddle pile. Yeah. Yeah. And the women are flirting how women scandal. Don't get me wrong. I don't I don't feel you being like by phobic here. Oh that I can feel you being confounded probably in a loving way. Like, oh my God. Everyone sorting with each other. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of how it is. It's like a it's a queer communities on the internet in your like your mid to late twenties is basic. What the street experience and college is like, that's when you start banging people. Because now, you know now, you've found your people founded you. Yalies man. But I'm like don't do anything like light flirting on the internet costs nothing and gives you a little through. Right. Absolutely. And like you're going to get a lot of crushes on your life. Sounds like you already have a couple using earlier in the question, you had a crush on some of them in the later in the question, you had a one of the person that showed you their close. There's more than one cross situation. Here. You got a lot of feeling then that's good life is a smorgasbord of people's mouths. Yeah. Put your mouth on whatever you want. Yeah. I mean, there's concern with consent. Obviously, you're not an idiot. I don't think you should shoot or need to act on these cautious though in this case. Like, I have a crush on Michael Jordan right now that is just thriving. Yeah. And I don't act on it. Yeah. I mean, I always assumed that was out of respect for your husband. Chris Evans true. True. I do have to respect the person to whom I am formally would. Yeah. That's an America your primary primary, I guess one of money. I'm just now. Honestly, just thinking about Michael Jordan. Did you see that video? Oh, did I you did the elevator. Yeah. I can't even it's. Let's remember the link that in the note is crucial that you guys all this. It's just seems like you're an online community where everybody flirts with everything that moves, and that's that's yeah. Ill. Yeah. You can be a good professional flirt. Yeah. You set you. You said you're at a loss of what to do. And I think you don't need to do anything. Anyway. Yeah. Enjoy it while you didn't mention your relationship status or the other person's relationship status. You also didn't mention if you live close to each other all you said was same country, which makes me feel like they live in this country but far away from each other because the internet makes everything seen much closer than it is. Yeah, exactly. So I don't think you do anything realistically. What what would you do? Right. You don't seem to want a relationship with anybody, which is fine. I mean, maybe you want to like have like weaken escapades with them. I feel like it's just not there yet. And I think that you are right for backing up a little bit and allowing them to drive. A car because they are the women. That's a really good point. We're getting some cues in this question that you are ok stepping back and letting this community flourish the way it is. And I think that's that's really smart. I think you should go to another meet up with them go to their convention and enjoy crushes on people that you see like two or three times a year. I think from the context of these questions, it seems like you are enjoying having these like vacation crush friends. You know, those people you see once a year, and like, maybe I know he's already said online caudal pile. But like really that's what lake young nerds do in like hotel rooms, Jen, you look like I just threw up on the table. I. Yeah. Tasha as a lifelong nerd as someone who's done to conventions and many nerd things. Nerds love to touch their horny as fuck they're they're very horny and very touchy at conventions, and I'm not I don't want that. But they all do, you know, which you do and you other people do have fun. I know what I think my number one piece of advice for this asker is to remember that. You are in an interesting position because you are assist. Male kind of adopted by all these like by women. That's awesome. Very cool. That probably means. You're awesome. Yeah. And in means that they view you as being a safe person to act like this around. So stay a safe person. If you want to strengthen this into a relationship or something like that. Then you you need to like very firmly make that decision to move forward. But if you are cool with being in this like nebulous, like, oh, you're cute. And so were you and like maybe she'll kiss me sometime. Maybe she won't know your own little Riverdale. Then if you like that, then just be a very safe, very cool, dude who is not expecting anything from them, man. You're in an awesome position. Because you have a lot of cool by lady friends who like spending time with you. Yes. And whether or not that means that will turn into relationships, or whether feelings will be reciprocated, you have some cool friendships going totally you're gonna learn a fuck load about women. Oh my God. Yeah. You're going to be so prepared for whatever near next crushes outside of this group. You're going to be so solid. I just I really love the idea of everybody. Just you just let the ladies make the first moves maybe you guys will have sex at a con one day like who knows like of allergic to that. I knew. But like, that's what happens it is. All right. Do you? Do you have a condom on you? Do you need? Okay. That's I was joking. But I'm not joking. Let's talk about this. Okay. We need you to be prepared for all of these everyone fucks a convention everyone. Fucks conventions have gum on you have condoms lube. You're man. So you might not know this but lube is extremely important. Okay. So just like have don't expect anything, but be prepared be the really cool guy who can be a great outlet for these women's sexual frustrations annually. This is awesome. Like, this is my favorite favorite question. We found a while. This is my favorite question. We've ever had for man. Oh, well competitions. Not very we. Honestly, get we do get some good. Now, we do sometimes I just want to be like again, really you need me to tell you this again, it's important for us to take you men down a notch. You know, even but we are happier here. Yeah. I vote turnout. I always surprised by the amount of male listeners, we have and that was never never thought. It would happen. Yeah. It was never like an explicit goal. Just like in the beginning. We thought this would be a more female women podcast. And then we moved away from that. And just made a podcast, and look it all y'all hanging out in our in our living room. Yeah. Yeah. And honestly, I mean, I there has not been a single piece of shit, man. Who's ever emailed us? No. Because these men have thought about their emotions and their thoughts enough that they're probably not Dick's. Yeah. This is kind of restored my faith a tiny bit. Yeah. Me too. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Well, congratulations this guy. Yeah. I mean, you seem pretty cool. I would say don't make any big dramatic moves. Now. Enjoy yourself keeping nice. Keep listening to the cool by one around you. Yeah. And I also wanted to mention again queer women thir- with each other online constantly. I haven't single queer female on a non binary friend on the internet who I have. Gently flirted with and a big part of that is like, you know, in a when you're younger and queer. It is a dangerous thing to to reach out in that way. But when we've all kind of decided guest role a little like this group of people's all little bit, gay or whatever. And like this is our safe way of expressing that it I can't say the word safe enough times. You will have a better time with these crushes, and they will feel more at ease with you. If you are a safe space. Yeah. That is pretty much key. What else is is left? We've been recording for twenty five minutes, and I feel like in like seventeen those minutes were about Jeff PROST. And that is exactly as God intended. This is Jeff proce fan cast. Do you wonder like just kill five minutes? And then do our business meeting. We have been meeting business meeting. That is really I that is a really good point. Okay. What else? Can we talk about? Like what else you guys? Like, do you want hair on my plants? I do I do good. We got a plant question. What was the plant to find it quicker? Yeah. It was I meant to pace it in the dock, but then I forgot well, Jen looks for the plant question. I'm going to give you my general plant tips from Trinh Garitano number one determine which Brooklyn nine nine character. You most identify with is it Andy Sandberg's character, Jake Peralta who may forget he owns a plant. Sometimes you may wanna succulent. Are you an Amy Santiago who wants over brushed her teeth so much that she had to get a root canal? You probably want a tropical foliage plant that you will need to like over ten to. But if you are a genus Nettie, if you are a person who leads with their feelings, you can handle any plant because you just got to get in touch with that plant. You gotta get to. Third base with that plant every day put your fingers in the soil and see how it's feeling Jen. Do you have the plant question? I do. Hi, gentleman around thanksgiving. My mom rolls up to my house with this little alive European Cyprus as my Christmas tree because she wanted me to have something anyway. So now, it's twelve twenty seven. No, it's not it's actually January seventh. Now, this is an only mil I have the street and it's alive. I put some water in it. I found the attached information about the plant and not helpful though for light. It says partial shade to full sun. That's all the kinds of light. I think in and for water it says keep moist to establish isn't it established? It says it can get fifteen tall the potus too small. If you have the time and energy, please help me. Oh my God. This you've come to the right place because I too have Cyprus. I've. Okay. So you are one hundred percent, correct. The biggest problem that people run into with their house plants is that there's no actual language and vocabulary that has been decided upon by the community. So you're totally right. Partial shade to full sun means basically everything, but for this context what they mean is if the plant were outside it would want partial shade to full sun, which means that this plant wants a shit ton of light because you can't give full sunlight in your home. So if you want the plans like like thrive, and like really grow you might want to invest in a light like a plant light on you definitely want to keep that plant in a west facing ourself facing window, south facing, most plants really love cell facing. I have mine in a west facing window that will probably move back in the spring and summer because that direct sunlight may be a bit much just keep spinning that plant around. Oh, yeah. Definitely, especially if you don't end up getting supplementary light, you want to flip that plant. Maybe one eighty degrees. Like every other day just to make sure that it's getting even light keep mois to establish. Okay. So let's talk about Cyprus. You are totally right. These plants get huge outside, but a lot of people keep Cyprus dwarf size and the way that they do that is they trim the routes every time they repot. So that they don't get tremendously bigger each time. So if you wanna keep a dwarf cypress like around like, maybe three feet tall maximum. So every year you are going to repot the plant into maybe not even necessarily a larger pot. You're gonna trim the roots a little bit to maybe take a little bit off Google, trimming roots of a Cyprus. So that you know, exactly what you're doing. And then repot it, and and it should be fine people keep cypresses inside a lot on. But again, like the biggest issue is usually the light. Because again, it's a plant that wants all of the light when it's outside, and you don't have it outside. So maybe like spring summer, you could actually put it outside. If you've got your space and just a note to all listeners, if you give your don't just give your friends plants ask them, I if they want one. One and tell them with the light requirements and stuff are because otherwise you're just giving them a small tragedy in two months. Oh my God. That is that's the best piece of advice along with all the other point advice. You give that is really funny though. Because like you can't give me a plant that needs a lot of light expected to do. Well, yeah. Totally like me too. I mean, so now just because I'm a weed for plants like I have like a mini greenhouse that I built and I've got like like a giant wall shelf and like all this shit. So yeah, definitely give me plants. Yeah. Give you all the planes hatred and wins this botany with Trinh YouTube channel coming to say. And that was really helpful. I you know, I was actually thinking that. I would just do an asshole for eight idea. So if you this has been friendship Ingwe Jenin Tren, if you wanna follow us online, you can do friendship on Twitter. If you want to send us a question, you can friendship and podcast at g mail dot com. If you want to ask me about plants at me on Twitter at your YouTube title, should we call? It's party time. No. About what it's already time time. Oh, sign us. Pretty good about. A lot of these aren't even worth repeating everyone. Romaine calm. That's great. Because he also vegetables. I do eat a lot. I'm very frond of you up fron shipping. Yeah. Oh doing well. At me that Trinh and tonic it's like gin and tonic. But with a mea in it, and I will help you with your plants or tell me that you want to see me do him any podcast about plants. I would be happy to do that. What else we do? Oh, thank you to an apartment for editing. This godforsaken episode. Thank you to Lauren Gallagher for designing all of our stuff. They get Alex Cox podfather and audio daddy. Thank you Tamale Lewis for singing our theme song and thank you for listening. You're welcome for talking.

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Survivor Wiggle Room: S37 Episode 9 with Josh Wigler

Rob Has a Podcast

1:26:12 hr | 2 years ago

Survivor Wiggle Room: S37 Episode 9 with Josh Wigler

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For your free box of tasty and healthy snacks. Josh. Learn. Learn. Learn learn. We're. Yeah. Harding cats. Hurting cats. It's real if happening it happened. The cats are kidding. It's just ridiculous. It's so good to keep these goliaths together, like hurting cats. The only way could have been improved. Mike white said cats on survivor. That is better than any wiggle room. Shoutout. I have ever received on survivor. This is the peak all downhill for here. What was also great about? It was I was stark raving mad on Twitter after Mike white said cats on survivor. It was all I could tweet about for the next several minutes. And I got a text message from your your fellow. No at all, the great Stephen fish back like, why are using your mind over Mike? Wait tweeting talking about cats something I feel like I'm missing out on something. Like, oh, well, you are missing out on things even and I'm not surprised at all nothing confuses Stephen Moore than in our H AP reference. I don't understand where where did you where did people here that they heard it on the podcast network that you're an instrumental part of that you don't listen to ever look. He's a busy guy. Josh that it's don't don't begrudge him. Just because he doesn't have time to ever listen to any other episode of the pie. And he's in a listen to this is going to be the first thing he ever listened to because it's right at the start of the podcast, very easy. There's going to be the people who at Stephen fish back. Oh, they were talking about you. We're we excited if he was listening. Yes. Stephen you should be in here. More often. It's a great time that we have here. You should submit a wand off stick around and see what we've been doing. He would hate the Wando. Well, let's find out Steven please live tweet your very first wiggle room. Experience. I think we would all greatly enjoy it. Okay. All right. Josh also, did you see that the reigning survivor champion Wendell Holland? The other day what a freaking episode best season ever. Don't add me. Everyone's infected I don't know. What's happening? But we do start a mean, I know that you you had asked this on a podcast very recently because I actually listened to the podcasts on are you not all of them. Sometimes I missed one or two or you know. There's very few people that listed all of them. But they exist they exist. Now. But yeah, I I don't know. I mean, I certainly didn't start the phrase don't act me. I know you didn't start that. But it s season ever. Don't add me. I mean, people can go through the annals of Twitter, you the first person to say that about survivor, David versus Goliath. I do believe that is correct. So I think you said in the second episode. It was like I think it was the fourth. I think it's the point. Remembering right? It sounds a little less ridiculous nine episodes into this to this crazy season. Yeah. Yeah. You started. The take is saving to to have caught fire within the survivor community. And we are just a few episodes away from finishing this season. And then finding out if that ridiculousness actually has some Courtney merit. Okay. Josh good thanksgiving. Great things giving fantastic thanksgiving. All right. How about yours? Mine. I was the pie. We're not gonna talk about that. We're not going to get you know, how you can tell that the pumpkin pie segment was really not great last week is that neither of us wants the entire time thought to say, no pumpkin pie. No. Literally, never never it. Never even came up. Disaster. Okay. Let's let's segway. Let's say right because we have a lot to be thankful for this survivor sees in and Josh you have been conducting these in season interviews with the contestants. You also had a great interview with Jeff Probst, Leslie, but you had an interview over these last couple of days with the man who played the vote steel, and that was Mr. Nick Wilson. And I thought that this was a what one of the best. I mean, maybe. The best of the season in terms of these these interviews because there was it was the right guy at the right time. It's been so much fun. Just like even just just purely as a survivor fan. And that was what my thinking was through this whole through pitching. This idea of doing what I've been calling back. If player interviews, why only let people talk about the show once they have been voted out. They've like relived and retraumatize themselves through like that horrible memory. And then they're going to talk to a million people in a day, and they're going to be so devastated, and they have every reason in the world to be a little bit bitter, the stories just not going to be as clear why not talk to somebody after they have had like a good moment. Maybe that is a different approach. So I've really enjoyed when I get the we do these over Email and when I get the answers back from the contestants. It is always such a delight to read those responses right away. So I really enjoyed this one from from Nick if you haven't seen it yet. T H R dot com slash survivor. It's the first story up there as of this podcast of this recording. And yeah, I agree. I thought that Nick was Nick was really fantastic. You know, he's been in the thick of a lot of action this season. So far certainly in this most recent tribal council with a front row seat. I guess he's starting to go back row. View of what happened with the idol nulla fire. And why did he play the vote steel on Allison of all people? I thought he had a very clever answer to that is really great to picnics brain. I think that he's been so much fun on the show and has been for. I know certainly in you talking with Sandra and time with Sophie both of them super high on Knicks odds this season, I co-signed that I feel like Nick is really making a strong case for himself here. And so two to pick the brain of a guy who's doing such a good job out. There was a lot of fun to do. Yeah. And just one other thing in terms of, you know, having these interviews because I was a little I don't want to say skeptical, but in terms of like. You know, I really go out of my way. I don't want spoilers. I don't want anything. Let me know. But you know, when we're hearing from people all throughout the season. It's not like, you know, that you're getting a, you know, like, okay. Well, I feel like this personally, you can't read too much into it in terms of you know, who you're getting when and then say, hypothetically, Nick goes on to say fifth-place, and is like the second person out in the finale, you know, by the time, you we get to a month down the road. Most of the details about what just happened are going to be at best very sort of fuzzy. And so in terms of like, maybe we did like a five hour interview with him and talking about like, maybe we would get into this. But who would remember at that point in time? So it's really just nice to have this information at our fingertips here in the week that it happens. Yeah. And I think you know, to the to the argument of like these active player interviews risk spoiling the future of the show. I on. I don't think that the risk is any greater than the risk run with an exit interview. It's it's the same risk people who are coming through on the interview circuit they could just as easily like accidentally reveal who wins their season. You know, like, they just slip up and say something. So I think when you're when you're getting into the meta game of survivor like when you're talking about the the press in the podcasts in all of that. I think that you're running these risks anyway, and I personally feel like when you're talking to somebody who is incentivized to be like really excited about what just happened on the show and really lock in on that and lock in on stuff that we had seen earlier in the season as well once while those memories are a little bit fresher than they'll be when their time is up on the show. I actually think frankly, that's safer, and you know, in terms of the process, there's mediation here. You know, there is a there's an arbiter there's a go-between in terms of me and the person that I'm interviewing. Viewing. So there is on this thing that are making sure that these are coming through very cleanly, and I personally have detected no issue so far. So I'm happy about it. I did think this one with Nick was really fun, and I much prefer this than say a player going on Instagram and like writing like about what really happened. All right. So you saw a lot of great stuff in his interview. With Nick, I thought that the reasons why he used the votes he'll on Alison were especially interesting, Stephen. And I were trying to make sense of it the other night on the knows why Alison and that he had not one but two, but what four answers on why he had three reasons for why he stole Allison's vote. I'll just read the full answer. How about that? Nick says I stole Allison's vote for a few reasons, I I wanted to misdirect who we were voting for in hopes of tricking Dan into playing his idol on Allison if Dan played his idol on Allison than Jeff would not have revealed that an idol nullify or had been played or even existed in the most. In the votes. Steel would get all the credit for the big move. So that's the first reason if you wanna stop down there, it's very clever. It's a very clever valid reason for why he's still Allison's vote over dense. I mean that was something that you had talked about in. I went out with Jeff of that. If you played the idol on somebody, and then they do not play the hidden in meeting idle, it would not come out. And so very interesting in terms of the way that the players are trying to craft their narrative in terms of you know, what accomplishments they made and so instead of having to share this. And you know, who knows how the actual players viewed it in terms of what Nick did versus what Karl did with the island. They'll afire interesting that he was thinking along those lines and impressive. Because at this point. He's heard about the I don't know if I think Carl shares that with Nick when they find the votes deal. Right. So he's probably had a couple of days to process it's existence. But to already be thinking of like, how does my advantage work in conjunction with Carl's advantage? Like what what can I do to make sure that like, I'm the person who's getting the credit here on? On this move. I think is very very clever stuff Nick goes on and says second Alison I did have somewhat of a working relationship despite her decision to remain Goliath strong. I knew if I gave her a good explanation on why I stole her vote. She would understand and be able to trust me again other players who are less analytical than Alison might take it personally and never consider working with me again. So that's the second reason why Nick steals a vote from Alison anything that jumps out to you on that. I really want to get to the third one because the third. But interestingly that Wayne I was in the note all's with Stephen I had said sort of like is it possible that may be sort of like the galaxy brain reason why he would want to use the vote on Allison is to really throw people off the scent and make it like he's not working with Allison Stevens. So that was a fan fiction at best. But I was like, oh, you he was thinking along those lines. Yeah. I think you can you get to Bing the bell. I mean. Yeah. I didn't really think that that was a reason. But when I read it it was like, oh at this is the Carl bingoing replace actual ballots. Well, hopefully, Carl will just replace the bell of it. We'll give him and Milton sort of like sidekick the podcast. Oh my God. I would love that cross-cutting credible voice. And eventually he is going to be spectacular on the podcast. I really hope co it. If Paul wants to give up trucking and become permanent announcer of rob is a podcast then that. It would be absolutely a okay with me or he could. I don't know. Yeah. You could take he could host his own show from the road. I think would be a really terrific thing. All right. This is this is nicks third and final reason for why he stole Allison's vote. He says third and shamefully perhaps most enticing, although not most strategic is that Allison is totally the most fun person to troll. She was devastated that I stole her vote. And was totally freaking out the whole time. The rest of us were voting. She was checking her pulse and fighting back tears. I felt guilty the next morning and so bad for her washing back now. But at the time I wanted the David's haymaker to land and cause as much damage as possible to totally obliterate Goliath, strong, if not humiliate them for lying to the David's in overlooking. This is important players in the game. Nick Wilson Europe. Mean man, you're kind of a jerk be honest. But that's. It's also incredibly entertaining. Very funny. Okay. Nick, I do think that this was a bit of his coming out party in terms of the season. But you agree with that. I mean, I think that Nick has been super president all the way through, but I think that this is obviously between this and the John Hennigan moment, which I cannot believe that like there was like immediately after the John Hannigan vote. There was another vote that was just like, 'i conic like historic in survivor with the no fire being played. And the votes do on top of that. This is definitely Knicks. Biggest two weeks if the show for sure do you feel like that Nick is the front runner right now? In terms of the odds on favourite to win. Yeah. He would be mine. You know, I'm I'm not reversing course on my official winner pick. I would you. You know? Should you know, she troll you? Yes. Yes. I'm staying. The course the doctor Alison, but, but that's you know, that's who who I've signed on for and who I greatly enjoy but that was a preseason pick. If you were to stop down in the middle of the season right now looking at everybody on the field. I do think that Nick is is pretty far out in front for me right now. Now, it is the final ten do you think that he is in danger of peaking too soon here because if we go back to millennials versus gen-x great a wonderful season. Just watching some of that before you, and I hopped on the podcast. I just watched Michaela blindsided a few minutes ago. Are we looking at Nick sort of like being in the spot of say like as Zeke where we're sailing boy, Zeke is really looking great here as a blind side of Chris Hammons? Now look at him coming on here, and then ends up. Being a person who is taken out before we get to the end game. It's solely possible. This has been a really tough season to predict which is the best kind of season, you know, week to week things have been shaken up so dramatically and every episode of feels like is is is a haymaker to use the word that Nick just used in this article where Mike you're just like completely debt dazzled in dazed by by what has occurred that it's entirely possible that that could go home as soon as this week who knows especially we're getting into two hours of survivor so much could happen. It's going to be very hard episode to predict but I just I feel really good about his shot. I think that he he seems to be in a really strong position strategically I think with David's having some momentum right now, he's a really good position within David. He also is somebody who I think of the David's short of and not even anymore Christian. I was going to say because both broaches are now gone. I think for Nick Nick is the guy who probably. Has the most relationships on the Goliath side of the aisle. Who so I just I think that his his relationship building really serve him well here in the final ten, and I think that there's so many people on the field right now that are worth being really afraid of that. I don't know that Nick is in like the top tier of that just yet. So I feel like he should be fine for a little while. But that's probably why we're going to be speaking to him on. So I just starting to get a little concerned because it feels like that not only off the show are people talking about Nick. But I played the secret seeing with sofi the other day where Christian talking to talking about this guy is genius. And starting to Gabby. And it's like, oh, he's so it's and she's like, oh, it's the southern accent. Everybody's still trustworthy. Nobody. Nobody sees it coming with this guy. And I just wonder if Christian has all this heat on him. Is there a Mason Dixon, betrayal, potentially in the works? Where maybe I forget, which one is which I believe Christians Dixon. I think that's right down insure, you know, could Dixon potentially throw Mason under the bus. I it'd be it would be excellent television. I love both of those guys that I would. I'd be sad to see it happen. But it'd be really amazing. I mean, I do think that there needs to be a moment where Christian is, you know, I would love to see this like Heisenberg turn from Christian. I think would be a really tremendous thing for him to like fully betray the person that he has worked with so closely. If you have a really valid strategic reason to do it, and eventually he would at some point have a very valid strategic reason to do it. Once the numbers are thin enough. But to do it soon is a little hard to see. But it would be I'm sure phenomenal television to see because if I was going to break down, the David's shirt, you have Mason Dixon, connecting the two sides. But then I feel like that Christian has Gabby, and I feel like that Nick has the Davy in Carl side of the goliaths. But if you get to the point where then you have a. A couple of these goliaths that are out there Allison's and Mike's and Chara's Alec could are where do they come down. If there is you know. You know? And that's how these things work on survivor where it's like, okay. One side has all the numbers, and then they work they work together until that group has a Fisher. And then a crack, and then they end up splitting into two sides again. And then we're the votes going on those two sides of that crack, so I do feel like that. There is a fault line somewhere along the way with these David's and we'll see a Mason Dixon fault line. I guess so. And so. It'll be interesting to see when those tectonic plates shift if the David's can stay together, and sort of ride this out and say, hey, let's get to the five, and then we'll get to the fore and had the fire making or if the people will ultimately get greedy and say, well, I don't think I can beat those people. So let's take our side. And then pick up a few of these glides that are at the bottom. Right. I feel like there's a very realistic possibility of something like that happening. I mean, we're at even numbers for the first time in a long time. We've got five David's versus five goliaths. We've got a two hour episodes. So we've got two eliminations that are going to happen this week and certainly for that second elimination. It's really basically impossible to accurately predict what's going to happen there. But I think even with this with this first one like are we going to find ourselves in like a rock draw type of situation are the David's going to be that unified versus Goliath being super unified. Or is there a crack within Goliath at this point? But I mean, I know that it's something that you you talked about on the pod. Cast this week as well is like are we potentially like could you see a David Peggy of the Goliath happening next? And it just doesn't feel like the spirit of this season. Like that just does not feel like where we are with survivor was he disappointing. It would be the sued one it'd be very disappointing. And I'm sure that there would be moments where that would be very entertaining and memorable along the way. But I think that kind of Mike expected finish of we've seen that before of like one alliance is just now going to thoroughly devour this other group it just doesn't feel like this season like this season. Just feels I know that I'm annoying about it. But it just feels it feels special. So I certainly don't want to see any kind of thing. I love all the David's. And I would be really sad to see any of them. Go feel that way about goliaths who were here still too though. So I don't know. I think if I were just to put my MO Jo in one direction or the other I don't think that we're going to be in for a gun that being said, do you feel like we are headed to Iraq? Draw on Wednesday. No because I don't think that Goliath is going to be a strong enough to stay there. I think that for a while. Now, we've been seeing for two tribal councils in a row at the very least we've seen the members of the David drive being like, why are you guys like still playing this Goliath strong game when we've all been talking about wanting to play together and shake things up a little bit more. And that was really the drum that they were beating. And now they've gotten rid of two of the physically iconic goliaths in John, and Dan or both gun now, and they were able to lure Goliath votes onto Angelina, you know, they were able to create a situation where Karen Alec through votes against one of their own. I can't imagine that's going to sit well with Angelina. I can't imagine that the five of them that are remaining together are going to be nearly as tight as David's aren't. So I think that that's going to force some kind of situation where we're not going to be in the running for Iraq dries as exciting as it would be the rock drug though, it has been like. Slightly more commonplace in recent survivor than it's been in the past. It's still not exactly commonplace. It's a fairly rare thing. So I think it would take a lot to get us there. And then of course on Wednesday. Now, we will see Iraq drawn, and it will be really awesome. It would be awesome. I think that the first hour of survivor this week. I think that's the one we get like the nine one Angelina vote. I think she says she's the one person that everybody there can agree on. And ultimately, she's the person that goes home that she doesn't have the idol. And it's almost like the sort of like the book end to the Elizabeth vote, which is interesting because they had sort of the whole thing before Elizabeth guys voted out where that was like the twelve one vote against Elizabeth that she was the consensus. I think that Angelina gets that in the first hour, and then my great hope is that you were right about all of that. Except for the fact that this checkoffs idle for Angelina boo that we've been in. Now that Dan's idol is played maybe Angela. Lina scoops it up. Maybe it is a nine one vote on Angelina. And she's able to negate those votes and knock somebody huge out of the game side would be remarkably exciting. So I hope you're right with that little wrinkle as as an adjustment to the prediction. And then I was gonna say I think that the second hour, I think we see more intrigue because that's when I think that we ended up with some of the David's cutting deals with the Goliath, and that's why they were confident the goliaths felt like, okay. Well, let's just cut bait on Angelina this time. And then they feel like that they have to go see which of their side deals with the David's ultimately end up coming through if anything, and then maybe we have a more interesting vote in the second hour, a Goliath, David tribal council. That's that sounds that sounds likely. I think that that makes sense to me. Yeah. Nothing further. I think that's a good prediction. Josh anything you want to say in terms of Dan. And his boot from this episode you and I both had the opportunity to speak with Dan. I found an to be in pretty good spirits today. Yeah. Well, it didn't make it in the in the interview that I posted on HR. But when we got on the phone, I was like how happy are you to have had like some actual distance from your episode and not just have to wake up really salty the next day and talk to everybody. And he said, it was a very good thing that he he was able to have some breathing room from from the episode. It's up. Yeah. I mean, he he was I called him out at one point because he's being so diplomatic. Karen, Alex stuff? It's just give me the hot gas hot cop. Tell me what's going on really really wouldn't budge obviously he feels fairly burned by CARA. But is being you know, he's he's being guarded about it, which is is good as a human being and less good in terms of our entertainment value. But I'm down invasive an invasive von Stor for wanting to know more as his right to keep quiet on. Then I thought that he was he was he was in a good mood. And it was a fun interview. I'm sad to see Dan go because I thought that he was a great character in the same way that I'm sad to see all these people go right now because I think they're all great characters. But I thought that it was I mean, it's been interesting actually to kind of get the reactions to how people are feeling about the nullify or moment. I thought that it was incredible television. I thought that it was it was so much fun. I have very few if any. Critiques about how it was conveyed. I don't know what you do to the presentation of the nullify or then proves it versus what they did on the show. I don't have any really good ideas for that. I think for it to happen to Goliath fun. I think for it to happen to the guy who got to idols this season is also super fun, and it's historic it's memorable. And the great tweet from Dalton Ross. That captures the moment where we're Dan's face. Just completely drops. It was it was a great moment. So as much as I really love, Dan as a as a guy and as a character. Like, I thought that he was super fun on the show. It was also just a blast to watch him. Get blasted out of the game. Lynn. The case for Dan as a returning. I think it's an interesting one. They it's not a no brainer. And it's not a no way. Where do you come down on it? I honestly don't know. I think that he was he was so great for this team for this season. I think you'd really have to shake it up. If he were to go back out there for it to really be worth our while, but similar in in the vein of like, I don't need to see like John back on survivor as much fun as he was. I think that he was just so perfect for David versus Goliath. I think I'm probably in that same camp for Dan who I like a lot and would not be mad to see place ever again. But I don't think that he would I don't think that he would make the cut of twenty people in like whatever fan cast. I concocted for it. The next all star season of survivor. Yeah. I think that he is in a tough demographic in terms. I think that there are a lot of people that he's vying with or being sort of you know, the. I candy spot in terms of talking about the guys on the cast. And I think that he's probably still trailing behind Michael Yeager who I think would be the favourite to land that spot. So you know, it could be one of these things where it's like. Okay. Well, if we put Michael yoga on this tribe, who, you know, who's the person we have to balance it out on the other tribes. So I don't think that he's drawing dead. But I also wouldn't call him a prohibitive favorite from this cast to return. Yeah. And I think the other piece of it too is like the reason or one of the reasons why think that Dan was such fun to watch was like his temper and how personally he would take stuff and how he would like get really fired up about things. There's a lot of earnestness to Dan that is that is very compelling. But I think that also translates to his play style where I think that he played it fairly down the line. And if he had had it his way, it would have been Goliath, strong, all the way, and that's a very effective old school mentality for how to do well on survivor not to knock the. Strategy at all. But I think when you're talking about somebody like Michael Uruguay who plays up Bastin type of game. Granted he's coming from the you know, he's coming from behind for for most of the season. He doesn't really have the the ability to play from the higher ground. I think that's just such a more compelling play style to the people who create survivor that. I don't know how the way Dan played survivor this season. I don't know if that's like the exact type of way that the people who make survivor would prefer it. So I think that that might be a knock as well. Wouldn't be mad at and I'd be very interested to see if he could change it up. Like, if he could do he he referenced Sarah Lassina to me like if we could be in for something like that where Dan comes back and everybody thinks like, oh, yeah. Dan was very earnest. He was very reliable. And then does Dan, you know, go from good hot cop too bad hot cop? You know? I criminal exactly shot guy. The first time I played like hot cop. Now, I'm playing like hot crimen like a hot mugshot guy. They should get hot mugshot guys. Yes. Yes. That's what avid next. Absolutely, something fun. I kinda awesome not banking on it, not banking. I think there's a lot of great returning potentials on this season. And love Dan don't know that he is quite cracking that list for me real quick on this. So in terms of there being a season theme that may be Dan might be right for I was noodling around with an idea of screwed by twist. And maybe you don't have twenty people that are screwed by a twist all you probably do. But could you have a season that's helped by twist versus screwed by twist where it might end up being a super twisty season. So that might be bad news. But is there anything there in terms of people who you know, that they're coming back, and they were helped and is karma gonna reverse it self is somebody that helped by with last time more likely to be hurt or. These people who got hurt. By twist is there's something about them that they're cursed. My God read it's already exploded. Hated hated hated. Boiling over with rage right now. If you're going to have attorney season is this is this better or worse than replacement level idea of 'let's. It's better or worse than game changers. All hard to get worse than game changers. I think so at least it's better than that. I think we need to work the branding like what do you? Call survivor, twisted island or twisted. Temple twisted twist of fate. Yes. Oh my God. With the fate telling you, this is somebody who is somebody's ears are perking up survivor twists of fate. Because I think it's something interesting there of because if you're screwed by the twister, you're sort of coming back with sort of like the built in story of. Yeah. I was the first person they got screwed out of the game by the I'll no fire. I'm back. I'm ready for anything. Yeah. This is a it's a compelling pitch. I I would just I would be so mad. If like the full season was just like twist after twist after twist after twist, but there are certainly worse ideas on the table for. Sure. Okay. All right. Josh there's something else from this episode that I've been waiting all week to talk to you about. Yes. Okay. Let's do. I wanna talk to you about the reward on this week's episode. Let me bring in Jeff to tell the survivors about this week's reward which plan for. Oh, yeah. Compare yourself. For the Boola burger. And then and then later everybody back to Cambodia pick you up take you to bourbon bar. Probably be joining. Now that seems like a future season to me ever. Triple b. I love versus burgers versus bars. What the hell is be Boola burger bar is it. I've so many questions is Bulla burger bar. Is it an actual place in Fiji is it. Is it an actual establishment? Is it like a Wendy's? In Fiji is is bull. A guy who works on these survivor production team that is out there. Barbecuing is bull a type of burger what is the bull of bar in? Why are we talking about it is? So so Boola is a greeting in Fiji. It's like Hello or welcome. It is a word that you will hear with great frequency if you're ever out in Fiji. So that's one mystery solved. I've been to Fiji a few times. Now, I've been very lucky too. To be there with boots on the ground few times. I have yet to encounter a single Boola burger bar, and you can bet your bottom dollar now. Looking for it. I'm looking I'm on I'm on the prowl next time next time, I'm out there. If I get the chance to go, I am I am seeking out the trip be show that is that is definitely on the on. The burgers looked really good. It'd be honest. So there was a guy there that was flipping burgers that we saw is that blue he works in. He's his name is Stu I've actually met that guy. Yes. He's why isn't it dues burger bar? I don't think then Stu owns the boo burger bar think that he is. He is the chef at the Boola burger bar. But it sounds like Probst owns the franchise is he my Jeff probes going to be opening up a fast food chain soon. Maldin Boola burger bar. I don't know. But if Mike and Liana are listening to this. I think retroactively this episode of survivor has to be a burger stew for the soup. Oh, I think you're going to say that today the RJ P BNB is sponsored by BBB. Yeah. Next question is a Bulla burger significantly better than he steers burger on. No, I think that the steers for her -gars seem to be where it's at. Okay. So many question so many questions a lot of questions, I guess they couldn't get the outback sponsorship this year. So they just had to create their whole new burger universe. I'm not mad at burger universe, by the way, should exist. If that doesn't exist. Imagine there's a burger universe out there in the universe. Josh another moment from the episode. This opened the episode. I wanna take and listen to this was Davy coming back from camp. I thought this was so funny because Davie really great move last week. And he played the idol for Christian came back and tried to really just massage the situation back at camp. And really just try to. Get everybody. Nice and calm. These thirty seven guys. I mean, I feel like the game has fall enough to where we can respect to this game play without taking it. I. Wrestling that does no. Purred here long convention. Thanks fin. Vevey? Now. How did he get the jacket? He left it at home. I don't think it was like mayor. Mr. Maher air fare. God. The jacket macho man, it's just so it's so great. It's what it's all that Mike Hall ski everyone had like this is you know, he wanted those wrestling promos, and he got one with. Davies such an incredible moment reasons, it was just great. Dabie having that moment happened at all when he should not have even been out on survivor this season as like the most eleventh-hour of eleventh hour replacements that you could possibly get. He's at home in Atlanta, forty eight hours before he's playing survivor, and then he goes on to blindside, the most Goliath, you IOT has dumb, and Colin would like to say, I it was just such a fun thing. And then for him to have the jacket deliver the news that he has the jagged such an incredible way tip of the hat to the editing team once again, but especially because of how funny the jacket business has been this season. Anyway, so either resurgence of the jacket in this capacity was just like, you know, the chef kissing his fingers. It was stupid the chef. Yes. Just incredible incredible incredible stuff. It was so great such great moment. And what a what a great way to set the tone for that episode. It's just such a funny funny starter, I know that the secrecy in the one where we're Nick is getting a lot more of the credit for that move. Seems like that was like an alternate opening to the. And maybe like that's like more informative version of what happened in in the vote against John. But this this is just like a Stower entertaining moment that was so perfect. But it was just really funny, and we've talked a lot about the editing this season, but just the juxtaposition of David just like guys. Hey, we're all cool season thirty seven all friends and the like in the private moment going nuts. It was so great who. So I was I was so impressed when he was doing that to him like it was going over. Really well, and it was like, yes. Absolutely. That's where we are. We're all going to shake hands. And no one's going to be upset. And then like it cuts to him just like having that freak out mode is so freaking funny, man. It was just absolutely incredible. And then it'd beyond that like just so many great storytelling choices in this episode that we could really pick apart. But you have thousands of podcasts with that you do this. But I will say I thought that the whole breadth first search sequence and really specifically the moment where Christmas talking about the island. Sectors. And then immediately we see the island sector doubt. It was just a really really cool choice. And that's the kind of stuff that's arrivers doing the season. That is really it's it's lighten me up, buddy. I'm enjoying that stuff. So much. This episode is filled. Really great. Here's another moment. I haven't talked about yet. This was from the reward challenge where there was a combination lock. And both teams had the same combination on their lock and Mike white ends up getting the combination and shades of millennials versus gen-x. There is a copying of the numbers, which is taking place, but the one the one group that is trying to the eventual winners of the challenge they are trying to not have their numbers stolen, and they're going to try to confuse Allison and Christian. Got it covered cover covered. Four a six twenty three forty two. The numbers are bad. Incredible. Excellent. This is excellent. It's still much fun. This is this is why we watched survivor this season is why watch survivor so great. Then Josh I have a nominee. I've been talking about how I'd love to eventually have one year where we have the USA -vivor metaphor of the year until I want to submit for you a nominee. Should we enter this into the nominations of best survivor metaphor of the year? Here's Christian describing what the game is like at the merge. The game kind of reminds me sort of like a like an old car. They're not sure got a start. You know, we hit the merge, and you're like, okay as the GameBoy. Turn the key. And get it doesn't start that almost bluer engine. Do it one more time. We'll find out whether or not natural Frank turns over we turn the key tonight. I think that the Jeff Probst reaction of impr- being impressed. I think is important to the metaphor of the year. Yeah. I think so. Absolutely. And I'm sure that Jeff himself has has several contenders of his own that could that could wind up in the in the final nominations at this. This could this could make an I still prefer roller coaster from earlier this season. Old car was as well. Well, ideally, when you drop a metaphor on survivor you wanted to land, and you don't want it to. Okay. Chris. And I thought that one little clunky. Jeff would drops a wow. At the end of it. This guy is good as gold. I mean, Christian, obviously. Chris in front runner return. I think of this this certainly I don't think anyone's out on a limb with that tape. Yeah. I mean, if you're going to rank the returnees Christian number one with a bullet who's to I don't even know couldn't even tell you number one for sure is Christian. Okay. All right. Josh anything else about this episode before we start to head towards the wand off this week. We'll see if anything comes up in the one. What's let's get to the music. Okay. Let's get to the wand off. And of course, this week's wand off is sponsored by our friends over at twenty three and me twenty three and me DNA kits are on sale between now and December twenty fifth. Twenty-three me helps you understand what your DNA can tell you about you and your family story. It's named for the twenty three pairs of chromosomes that make up your DNA. Now. Josh you cannot find out though, if you have Goliath DNA. I think I don't think that you need me to determine that. I think that that is just something that you kinda you kinda sense of. Sort of just know if you're Goliath or not the twenty three and me health and ancestry service includes ninety plus personalized genetic reports that offer DNA insights on what makes you unique now through December twenty fifth. Get thirty percent off any Twenty-three in me kit or your DNA kit at twenty three and me dot com slash rob. They have a number of different reports, including the ancestry composition reports. You could see how many of your ancestors came from places that have had survivor seasons filmed in them. I don't think any of mine did personally knows. Yeah. I completed a twenty three and me kit recently, they sent it to me in the mail. You send them back a saliva sample. And then you get access to this incredible report that has all of these details about you with the ancestry composition report. You can explore where your DNA is from out of a one hundred fifty plus regions worldwide. And then you can find out interesting traits about yourself like, for instance, the ability to match musical pitch. Josh. Whoa. I don't have that ability. It would be very useful for for our Wando thing business. What that tells you if you hear musical note, can you sing it back while matching pitch comes naturally for some. It's almost impossible for others. And this I can tell you from listening to somebody wanted us genetics play a role in your ability to match a musical pitch. Who knew also likely are you to get mosquito bites all things that you can find out how you get a lot of mosquito bites in it sucks and the lame. Your parents always go from my ankles and my feet and like all now through December twenty fifth. Get thirty percent off any Twenty-three and be kit. Order your DNA kit at twenty three and me. That's the number twenty three eighty N D N, E dot com slash rob. That's the number two three eight n d m e dot com slash rob. Again, that's twenty three and me dot com for thirty percent off any twenty three and me kit. Josh, of course, so many different things that we can learn about ourselves and about one through DNA testing. Why was going to say that while I have no relatives that have played locations where survivor has shot my wife does she has in her family history. Her father is actually from where they filmed survivor, Maryland. Oh, I didn't even realize that. Yeah. About that. I tried to start the wand off then work than work try to guess right ago students. There you go any. Happy rest of my mind. Just eat your. You could. The rest of you. Yes. Yes. In that song in in the survivor car that has trouble getting started. But we are. It's real. The Batman themes, it kind of sounds like. You try to start an old car that day. Hey. I did just get it's extra. It was like why are you talking about my dad living being Maryland? And she said survivor as sir coming to Mary strange experience to be listening to the way. Ramon behalf. Anyway. Anyway, gone. I wouldn't know what that's like when your wife. Oh when your wife or your notes co-host listen to the wiggle. All right. Josh interestingly enough, I don't know. Exactly. When this did you recently imply that there were four hundred one offs that have been made. I think that I had said that that was the the risk. We were running into with the amount of Aaron Robertson Wanda that were being submitted a couple of weeks ago. Yes by right now at four hundred. No, no, I so. No. So between Randy new pool and the tabular Kirk Clark. They have built their own algorithm. To determine how many want offs have been sent in over the last three seasons. Do you care to hazard, a guess, hundreds for sure hundreds for sure certainly yes, I'm gonna say call a cool five hundred no take the over on that seven hundred fifteen one. Man, I can do nothing for the rest of my wife, and I will have already accomplished so much. Being part of the one off having so much goodness in the world. What on credible? Do what a great thing. Okay. So we have seven hundred fifteen one offs including this week's entries. Let's talk about last week's winners for week. Eight of the wand off with eighteen point eight two percent of the vote in a third place last week was met he aka Matt from Waterloo with Davy the Justin Bieber cover. I love that. That was really great. Okay. Josh it was one of the closest votes we've ever had on the one on there with less than one percent difference. I have we ever done a recount, I don't know if anybody's ever asked for a neck note at what point does a manual recount, get triggered. We don't know twenty four point seven. Percent of the vote went for this week's winner. Twenty three point eight nine percent Twenty-three in me and eight point eight nine percent of the vote went to the second place. Finisher. God, I'm on pins and needles. This podcast has been going really well today, no pumpkin pie segments here. But there's an outcome of this vote that could that could be bad. Yes. I will tell you the top two contenders. From last week. It was it was between the collaboration between pineapple boy twenty-seven and Phil from Canada. Okay. And another collaboration between Karen from Canada and singer, Tim, no. No. No, no. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. I assume that you'll you'll answer. The who who the question of who the winner is by playing this on the winner. Jeez. The episode eight one off for survivor, David versus Goliath. This is like the tensest tribal council of all time. I'm very very nervous for this. Oh god. Karen from Canada and newcomer it Jim so close so care from Canada was. A pineapple leaf away from her third one victory. And with all due respect. Because Karen from Canada has been a fantastic addition to the one Dr family, but. Get get shut up him as our way. I think you're mistaken. That was a not mistaken, and I will not lay this Qena rate. This. Unexpected date that was brought to the thanksgiving dinner. They were not invited, sir. Thing it, Jim, Jim. All right. Well, congratulations to to fill. Thi this Bill tease. I had of the season first of the season. Yes. For Phil from Canada. I sorry. Sorry. Sorry fell from Canada. Welcome back to the to the final Londe off and very excited about that. I am more excited that this also means pineapple boy twenty-seven is going to assume featured in the final as well. Okay. Let's bring in the host of the wand off the talk. Talk talk about everything going on here is Casey Kasem, Casey, take it away. Rob. What a week. Josh, casey. How's it going? My Twitter mentions are going. I was a little worried that you weren't gonna show. Hope everyone good week with their family and are not having any family feuds. It's not fun. Okay. Josh I too was recently seen on CBS. This week. We've got a number of strong Arbel mentions thirty new songs over thirty new songs for the episode number nine one and how many from Aaron? Many's that from Aaron Robertson. We'll see we'll see as we're counting down the top one of songs the country. We'll start off with an honorable mention from one of our listeners right here in Los Angeles. Here's Abe talking about a great place to get a meal yourself. For the Boola burger. Team. Puna booker. You know? Come and talk to me. Thing, but I will walk for you. Gotta put too. A good start strong start. That was a great jam from Travis Bubba sparks. Next up. We lost our hot cop, Dan. He's got a great t shirt, and I recommend it to everybody. He's also got a song from Graham from the day. Here is Graham with a song saying goodbye to Mr. Daniel rendering. That was a beautiful song in concert from Billy Garcia Joe clue. Yes. Absolutely. It was you mentioned the shirt and shirt. And I know I'm who am I to be throwing stones with the wombat? Sure that shirt is incredible. It's not. It's a it's a really really really terrible. It's an awful shirt. You know, what you're talking about? It's added one L other share. It's a bad shirt, and you should feel bad about it. Ned? Is a man who took on rob sister, Nino and this week and survivor history quiz. It's Mr Michael Clarke about Dan and playing his idol. Big about this. John. Plus. I this worthless. That was a great single from the musical artist. Sharon, I twain, we're our strategy and listen that was good. Good full. Great. Speaking of Australia. One of our listeners is named RAFI any hails from the continent that's down under. He was inspired by Carl and it is idle. No fire this week that fed and cherries a crappy Jin Chandler from a slang word footed tension. Take causes spell to ring few of my favorite beings, tribal. Bye. My sieg. Granted Vaughn, I'll play with. Quaint little number from Julie, Andrews savage from the film whose Mary Poppins. About tibi rebooted nuts sound of music that sound music. No. Well, Jack with our fact checkers on. Music. Is it pretty soon? Just. Be honest. I've had a lot going on this week. All lot. Stand. That's not. Let's go back and stay in Australia. Okay. And alley who were so impressed with Carl and what he did this week. Cogos being. That could only mean one thing. I know when the cogos being. That could the mainland thing auto isn't gonna work for you. That was a hit for the Drake drive. Was that the was that when you're saying, Luke from Australia? That's not the king of a song that we were just hearing from. I don't believe so. Okay. Next up. We'll come back to the good old United States of America here. K it's okay and hear from Trevor from Tacoma, and he's very impressed as well. Where what Carl did this week? Is getting by never seen that. And when he plays it. It's making Carl. Title tribal, dropping ten so fast. He plays. It. It's making. What a jam from the artist Laura and the now. Man. There's no better version of that. I guess. Next up in our countdown of the honorable mentions from this week on the lawn off we go to a woman Audrey s from Dallas. She wants to talk about Mr. Nick Wilson. Mr steele. Car. You. Advantages are sweet. But these over is what will get us the green. Giving up that will get a million bucks. Go liasing David's picked up on the one. But the Dixon. To have some fun vote is here smell the fires here. We've just. We've just. Car Olympia, nothing. In. No it got. Another blindside. It was hit number for trae June songs. I'm really impressed that there was already the lyric for fishy to be taking notes because I am expecting that Stephen is still listening to the wiggle room. As more than an hour into the podcast, of course. And Josh I do want to apologize for a big brother reference. But there was nothing from survivor, and you would like her. That's fine. That's fine. I really it's not that big of a deal for me. Okay. And Josh we've got one final are mention of the week. And it comes to us from the writing duo D And Doug take it away. That. Very good song some song that was a oldie, but a goody from the tokens mcnicoll. I'll tell you. I've been watching millennials gen-x in Ken was gold mine. Oh my God. That guy was ridiculous. Just like flat out ridiculous, even beer. Apparently. Save the unbelievable so good. Josh. It's time to countdown top-five wand up songs in the country as emitted by the listeners of rob has a podcast. Are you ready? I am so ready. I'm very excited will kick off the countdown here with our first entry into the top five. Of course, you could vote all week long. When you go to rob has a website dot com slash vote. Wanda and tabulated will be counting down all of the votes all week long. Okay. And here is Matt from Waterloo talking about Mr. Carl boo DRO. Speech glide away. Day play college drink, the no BS tonight. Straw customers. Boola burger bar by alone searching zone perspective. Advantages care. David. Chance. He was. He lost. That was a great job there by Nikki Wilson Manashe. Wilson's. Something's where going to discuss. Too soon. Oh, sue. Let's discuss what's going on with songwriting duo from upstate New York. It's just aced and will and they're talking about that big. I don't know if I this week. Treated like this thick in. Sure know how to find. They break their back that at the end the David's Visser by. Trying to her cats. Three g lonely. John awesome. Dole, gone up your mind. Culture. Nelson. Ever. Don't me on Twitter did is going to win the show show. Their numbers getting star being out. He'll get netted him beyond the show show named nominee a thinking clean solvent. Not gone. He saw. Story. He's turned out story. Josh. Get when they hear me. It's gonna be thing. So the engine data. So the engine d two. To make awesome. No, really. Well, what a collaboration from songwriting trio of Jessie j start Ariana GRANDE day thirty nine and Nikki. What a trio? Coming together like the David tribe. Thirty nine. Next up. We'll hear from another talented songwriter any hails from Columbus, Ohio. Here is back. Once again, he's worked with talented artists in the past like the mayo jar, but here he is with a solo number. Here's up from Columbus. If was Christian petrified. The chart shows voted for attempted fratricide would calculate the way that the strikeforce did wrong. I would regroup with the David's and Raza for the dog because. Kids the wall. So think sir styling with Davey and Carl. Got a PHD would segregate the joke. Go searching sector seven g. Spread. Explore the. After president. The food express the card. City explicit. Yeah. Algorithms. Sectors tree structure. I will. A great song, which is by the artist CARA cake. I was really hoping it was Mitchelson. I got you. That'd be good. If someone wants to remake though, Mitchell go immediately to the top five, you get ahead automatically automatically. It's actually not valid offer. So Josh because a lot of people are gonna end up doing don't have that. We just don't have that. If someone was to collaborate with Mitchell all sin on a remake. They will automatically go to top five. Yes, that's probably but the actual Mitchell's no joke. Mitchell Olson's, real Mitchell Olson and not just a person named Mitchell. Olson, the Mitchell Olson, the one and only. Yeah. One of few. But the you know, the one that we're talking about Josh next up is our number four song. And this week's wand off. It comes from a man who as an artist has gone through many transformations in his early days of the wand of fans knew him as filty. But as his legend grew so get his many name changes. He was recently known by Phil from Canada when he worked and one the one with pineapple boy twenty seven this week. He's back, and he's got a new name is fans. Call him only shut up Phil. And here he is number four in this week's countdown. You. That's mean, and you're such a jerk. Useless. Fuel really's. True. Silence. Stare for a while. Was naive thinking tree. We dot com code in. We made it clear. Oh said that gave David last. One time because call. Only. Fifty. That was a great one from Dr Sean Kingston. Very impressive. I understand or I don't understand why he is now shut up. Phil. I feel like he didn't he didn't take a breath in their breath. I one there is a breathless one off gotta breed. Pass out. And finally, we've got just a top five this week. Josh this one comes to us from someone who's no stranger to the Wanda top-five his back, and he's got on medley of tunes for you. Please welcome back. The winner of the season thirty five wand off. He is Mr. DJ Bill Klein time again. It's time again, not for more. Erin. Robertson songs on your feet. You found some hidden. The may jacket. He makes. The challenge. You was struck the. Numbers at the new. The game was. Devilish is his name. We go into the ring. Think. Bye. Stays thinking about how. Thinking to himself. When he doesn't even like. Play. Now with Jordan out of the game. Bentley Christian cubing. The. Joe? Two. Jope? That was a number of songs from the super group. The village people strategy blog, featuring our number one listener, Stephen fish. For. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. See that's what we've been doing for the past couple of years. Really great podcast. You should be listening more often Josh with that those are the top five one of songs in the nation in the nation. Listeners can vote all week long. When they go, rob as a website dot com slash vote Wanda to cast their vote for the winner of this week's wand off where the winner will receive a brand spanking new wig lers wombats baseball cap, man. Thanks, casey. These have an easier week. I'll try I'll try okay special. Thanks to Randi new poll for all of his work setting up the wand off soundcloud play list and to Jason Curtis Rivera who puts together the music videos for all of our top five songs in the country. Well, gosh. To hear all of this week's of missions. Come a patron of rob as a podcast by going to rob as a website dot com slash patron, where we'll post all of this week's entries to our soundcloud playlist. Yes, do those things. Ed, Josh with that. I will be back talk with you all next week. All right by real, okay? It's so nice to be able to pay tribute to the late great, Casey Kasem American icon. Yes. American icon as well. Yes. Who should have been treated much better in his time here with us on earth? We treat him very well here. With Reverend reverence with great reverence case a case. All right God. All right God. What a time. What time what time here this week so much going on? Okay. Josh wigley. What's what's next? We're going to talk about is possible that we could see the three broach chose go out. Boom, boom, boom, Bing, Bing, Bing, please. Don't put that into the universe thinking that until of detail DJ Klein, even put it into the universe. Yeah. No. I think that that's unfortunately, I think that's not a. I think that's a realistic possibility. Yeah. I mean, Christian is somebody who I think that everybody is a little nervous about out there. So we see Christian go home and the two hour episode. That'd be. It's possible. All right. Check out everything. The Josh Winkler is doing he is at round Howard on the Twitter, and you could read his full interview with Mr.. Dodge wilson. Yes. Check that all out there at t-, HR dot com slash survivor. Of course, Josh has a great interview up as well on HR dot com with the latest casualty from the walking debt. Yeah. That person is thrilled to be the latest casualty from the walking with no sarcasm that person is very happy to be off the show that was a wild interview. It isn't interesting to me where you know. When somebody dies on the Walking Dead. And then also, you know, you have your exit interview today with Daniel rendering, it's sort of like sorta like this kind of interesting. It's a weird. It's a weird juxtaposition for sure. Did you see coming? What happened with a blindside? Interesting stuff. All right. That's going to do it for us here in the in the wiggle room here for episode number nine, of course, I to our survivor where Stephen fish bag. We'll be back together. After the two hour live episode of survivor. Exciting stuff. Exciting stuff. Almost two exciting. Almost exciting. We here. We are in the final the home stretch of survivor. We had a great week a podcast once again Todd hers is going to be on Thursday looking forward to talking with Todd. After the double episode Rourke Lufkin is going to be here with me in the studio this week show back show back together after double exit interview as well. Coming up later on this week. We'll have the double episode wiggle room. What do you think we'll get seventy songs for double episode of wiggle room? I think that's likely that we can we could be pushing seventy for next week that unofficial challenge for size one. No more than like two or three per personnel. There's gonna be no shortage of material. I'm sure to to make one about. So I I'm expecting that. We are going to be so full of music. It'll be like we were at the Boola burger bar. Okay. Of course, if anybody's doing their holiday shopping getting that kick off this week are are H AP associate storefront link. You check everything we have going on there. And then go off to wherever you may go on Amazon dot com and help support Robbins podcast with your purchases at Amazon dot com slash shop slash RHA AP Amazon dot com slash shops RJ p or find our banners links on the homepage of rob has a website dot com. Josh, always a pleasure. Be back with you next week. Good. Bye. Back-back city. Rickenbacker pity France came more down to. Welcome to note a couple of trees stalling. Care route. Airway. County. Johnny voters play. Fig. Exit backpacks. Eighty free banks city free bags any city free. Jake, Jake trap. Back-back free. Back-back banks. Becks? What I'm talking? Play. No, wait, real cute. Gun. Life. Two. My my my. Davis. Becker, backer, backer, backer, the Catford keffer city. Cache lake ler. You're my best friend.

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"Total. I'm I'm calling. Do. Special quick episode quick. Hi, Courtney. Hi, Al. Welcome back. Yeah, it's been a while. What's new with you? Not much. I've gone back to our back to work teacher and so September means back to work and it's been busy. So we haven't had a boxing special for while that's the reason. Have you been busy with you? Nothing. Nothing at all. Life's totally the same. I'm living the same life. I was living three weeks ago when we stopped doing are hype episodes. So we've done, I don't believe you, oh, I had a kid. And when I say that, I mean that my wife delivered a baby boy and I was there to like. Give her a massage occasionally to witness the massacre in the hustle. Great. Well, 'grats how thank you very much. Thank you and. My son would just eaten alive on survivor. I was thinking about today, actually, let's get right into survivor stuff. Okay. Would you be ever interested in like a little kids, your -vivor but United master chef, junior? Yeah, full season. Twenty kids -vivor I don't know because half the thing I like about survivor is the interactions and the socializing, and I just don't think I would like that with kids. You wouldn't like little kid. So now actions now that's fair. And it might come from the fact that I'm a teacher and I have to deal that every day and I'm sick of it. Most of the time. Could be interesting some anyways, if what you're getting at is your baby being on survivor. He would not survive. Has anyone been pregnant wow on survivor now now I feel like that's like if you go through medical in that comes out, you're gone, you're disqualified? Yeah. There have been people disqualified for medical evaluations and there's been like sex on the show before, or people have said, yes. Has anyone gotten pregnant on survivor after the fact if you follow their like personal life, have you been. I have not noticed that that would be amazing. Yeah. If you did the math, you were a little kid and you're like, oh yeah, my parents met on survivor. And then I was born and you do the math and you're like, oh. Thirty thirty eight weeks before I was born mom. You were on island in the South Pacific. You can tell that Al just had a baby because he just referred to the time line as being thirty eight weeks or two weeks is term. Most people don't talk in terms of weeks. The only reason I do that now is because everyone everyone says nine months as the thing is, oh, nine months later there's a baby, but forty weeks is not nine months. That's one of the things I learned. Why is everyone saying nine months and it's longer. That's why I'm saying it's clear that you just had a baby. I would say nine months later, dude, I learned so much in the last three weeks. Also learn what it's like to live off Nestle. Oh my gosh, I've learned. I've learned so much, but what I haven't learned or followed is like we're getting hyped about survivor and I'm just like, stopped thinking about survivor all. Well, that's a bad thing. You gotta get back in the mindset of survivor? Yeah. Do you think that David or Goliath is going to win this season? I'm not asking you to a winner pick yet, like as like a fifty fifty tossup original tribes ten on each. Yeah. Will the winter come from David or wrongful and defend your position? Okay. I think it will probably be David. And I think that because survivor loves a story and I think the narrative will be better coming from David. Do you know what's funny about that answer? What is that? I watched the interview with Jeff Probst and he was like when they explained the theme to the survivors, the contestants, a lot of the people on the Goliath tribe were like a little resentful, not really, but they were like, hey, I'm not like I haven't had a completely charmed life like I've overcome things as well. So being painted, a lot of people in the game, don't want to be painted as the threat. The glide to me is like, oh glide, you're the threat. Whereas in the game of survivor, you kind of almost want to be gander down the underdog. Yeah, because because then if you look at Ben, it was like, oh, he was a war vet. He had this whole stories or to the. The end of the game, even though you want to be at the end and say, here's what I did. This is how I dominated the game is how I one is how I used you and how it used you and how trick you and then I won that challenge. Yeah, a lot of jurors don't wanna hear that. They wanna be like a struggled. I was on the ropes. Hungary and never wanna challenge. I was hungry the whole time, and that gets a lot more play. Yeah, good. Good answer. Yeah, I think that might be why. I mean, I think that might be Hawaiian, but you never know. Like you said, a lot of the goliaths feel like they have a story to tell. So maybe their story will be a riveting one in that interview. He also said people the season's going to be interesting because people it shows you that people are what they think they are almost. Okay. So what he's saying a lot of the goliaths they start a challenge or they start a task with like dominance in their minds or with like victory. They're like, I'm totally going to win. And a lot of people who are not as successful or struggle often don't approach tasks with like. The same kind of zeal or like confidence, but he said that in the season, you see that some of the people who are like labeled as David's of start changing their mountain, tally and Vietnam totally gonna crush this challenge. All of a sudden just like changing your mental space. You start succeeding where normally just like can't ever do this stuff. Yeah, shit, I'm terrible Nydia asking me into saying, yeah, because also based on some previous box line specials, I totally missed plays, though I thought was going to be any tribe. And so there's a little part of them that's coming out as already Goliath are already David, so they might. They might not be who is in there so season premiere living of that is reminded me of the fact that Elizabeth Olsen is our aid. Yes. She's like, she's like thirty thirty one thirty one. I based on. The old one fifty. She's she's not as old as we thought. The season premiere is next Wednesday, like less than a week from now. And this is just another like hype episode, you know, get our chops up to speed and, oh, I saw him tell you can I'm getting rid of Mike cable. So we have to find a way to like watch it. So I wanna that happening. Literally, it's going to be canceled on Tuesday. I'll still have cable for the first episode k. and then it's going to be canceled on the Friday because I'm switching like internet service providers, and I was like, I don't need cable anymore because I don't. I honestly don't watch cable. I don't mind except for survivor. Wow, little background tidbit for anyone who's listening. I kind of started re watching survivor because Courtney loves it. She doesn't have cable and she would like come over and be n. b. like, hey, can I just watch TV for our guest? You're no big deal. But when someone watches something in your living room, normally you're like, I'll just sit and watch this. It's something to do and over the after like three episodes, all of a sudden you're like, yeah, Probst has got it. This challenge was sweet. Love from. Yeah. Well, that's a little devastating, but we'll work it out. We'll figure something out. Yeah. Do you have any more survivor things to tell me about. I was just watching those. Kind of after our hype episodes CBS released, they released their cast reveal, which is the people that we were working with. Anyways, they just released more information on them. Little bios on their site that you can go on read, which are always really. They're kind of lame, but they're also kind of funny. But also those bios have helped me in the past when choosing my fantasy team. I have to say two seasons ago. I picked. The the mom Ben in Ryan cruzi. Okay. One of the reasons why I picked Chrissy maybe this speaks to my Oklahoma ZIM, but I picked Chrissy because she said if she could bring anything to the island, it would be vodka to loosen people up. And I was like, oh yeah, just off my girl. My girl like I would totally do the same thing. And that really drew me awards her. And then I chose her and I, I was successful made it to the end, many people think she should have won. I do. I actually hate that Ben one I would've liked to see a Christie Devon, Ryan. Final three? Yeah, we to there's a lot of ago on the the message boards. Sometimes there's, there's a lot of people aren't happy with the the fire making challenge getting someone into the final three. A lot of people aren't like thrilled by that. I see left format. I know we've talked about it. I see the debt it like eliminates the ability to get rid of the biggest threat. Yeah, but it also kind of shifts the game, like the spits on people social game, if they're like, let's all agree to get rid of this person that's gonna lions and that's like a strategic move and they're like, oh, there's one last little like circus trick. You gotta. Do you. Just gotta light a fire and it's like it only benefits and underdog. Yeah. Which socks if you're trying to get rid of someone in the keep finding ways, sustain the game, whatever. That's that's done with net stem, but it's not done with because of Hollywood again, the season. Yep, all maybe it'll be at Johnny nitro at the end. Johnny moon does the mayor of slam town also online available worth a watch. I just watched one of them, but there's two. There's like these short four or five minute videos were Jeff Probst does like a try assessment. So he starts with the David's of the Goliath, and he goes through everyone in the tribe and just says a few things about them and what he likes about them in what they're like device seen yet. I was just watching one. Oh, you send those things that you sent. I didn't realize you to buy try, but yet he doesn't. He doesn't with the David's I, he does it with the Goliath. Also that name that girl that we were like when I laughed how you pronounced it. It is pronounced lear- lear- what I say Larisa we were, we said Larisa, but there's no. Do there's no vowels and other is at the end layers. There's an the end NYC yeah, we were calling her LaRussa, but it's l. y. r. essay. That's Lear saga. And yet other than that, get excited for what's he's Iran thirty seven. Is it every seven, David versus Goliath versus Goliath? I think David's gonna win and we'll do when we come back next week. Obviously we'll have seen the first episode but will also do a have to ask you who you think's gonna win. 'cause that's the funnest part of the first episode is to be like, you could see at least one person go home shame. Yeah. And then you get to talk about anything to win. But before we want to have a question for you. Do you think the goliaths are going to dominate the challenges at? Yes. Yes, you do? Yeah, unless the game is produced, so they're, they're going to have the challenges be like physical components entail ended with the puzzle have been. That's where the David's makeup the ground. Do you think that the Goliath are going to be set up for like a big physical blow out? I think they'll, I think they'll win. If if there's like a big physical challenge, I think they'll definitely dominate that. Oh, and the other thing I wanted to mention if anyone's interested in doing this and if anyone is in like a pools where they have to pick a winners pick. And I were watching the trailer for the season and we were looking at it and being like, if if we treat this like a mini episode than the people who go far in the game might be given a touch more screen time, the ad and other characters. Right? And we rightly so we were watching the, we were watching the trailer for this season. I wonder if because these people get interviewed in the trailer or you see their pictures more, maybe they're going to be around later in the game. So we kind of took note of who was there often and who was like noticeably absent, and then we the only way to check this theory was to like, watch trailers from previous seasons, which we did and didn't really the thing is they do. It's really hard to tell we were inconclusive, but it's it is true that like the final like five people are always. As in the trailers, always if you like, watch the trailer and you notice that someone wasn't in it at all, you know, for sure that that person's not going far. Yeah. So if you are in like a competitive style survivor pool, go watch the trailer for the season on YouTube and just like think about whose face you. See. 'cause I assume that one of those people in the trailer is going to be the winner, and if you're not choosing correctly, those people are probably gonna make pass the merge. We probably shouldn't have given away my secret. That's not that. I mean, I kind of discovered that and then you help me investigate. Listeners. I pool some of them are. The others, and that's the one that that I would money. All right. I cannot wait for next week either. It's not that far away like athlete less than a week. All right. I'll see you later.

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This Week in Survivor: Season 38 Week 2 with Pooya Zand Vakili

Rob Has a Podcast

1:22:25 hr | 1 year ago

This Week in Survivor: Season 38 Week 2 with Pooya Zand Vakili

"Stock about. Take a whiz. So we can. Smartest. You are. Yes. Thank you will from America for the theme to our this week in survivor. I rob sister, you know, and I'm very excited to talk about everything happening this week. And then we will also play are this weekend survivor history quiz with the host of this week in survivor history. Jordan Kayla's here, Jordan, how are you? I'm doing great. And I hear that a Ron Clark and Aubrey you're working on choreography for the Wolfer from America's fish on. That would be great over you. That would be very exciting. We can talk about that later on in the show, but I'm very excited to bringing our guest to talk about everything happening. This a week in survivor. Please welcome great friend of the podcast who he is. And vakili. Hey, thanks, rob. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here. A believe this is my first time really being in the same virtual room as de school ish, and I'm really excited. Okay. All right. Well, very excited to have you back with us here to talk about survivor. How're you enjoying two weeks of survivor edge of extinction? Honestly, I'm relatively pleased with what's going on. I feel like yeah. Like, many I kind of was coming in on sour grapes Mayer. I don't think this is going to live up to what thirty seven was. But here we are. And I've enjoyed both episodes. And I think we're going in the good direction. I think with everything that this twist has brought to us. I feel like I'm pleasantly surprised at how much I'm enjoying taking it in. Because I really do not think I was going to like the edge of extinction. But here I am. Okay. All right. We are in the thick of the survivor podcast of week right now. Of course, I talked to. Stephen after the episode had a really fun podcast with coach lots of great reviews and then over the weekend, we're recording this on Saturday or early afternoon just posted my conversation with Lisa who was very fun to talk to. So hope you guys enjoyed all those podcasts wiggle room still to come this week. And don't forget about the arch BNB and why Keith lost? Julia. Speaking of the the BNB that I heard you on the BNB sometime ago, and you talked about how the you have a ritual for every episode of survivor, and I would love to hear more about this. If you still practice this ritual of how you take in every episode of survivor. Right. Yes. So this is my ritual. I watched the episode like everyone else on the TV. It's all good. But then for the rewatch I watch with headphones in I watched with volume up so that I can take in every bit that I would have missed watching on TV the day before or the night before. So that's pretty much how consume survivor episode episode. Okay. And is this like an immersive experience is this like the closest that you could get to like virtual reality survivor. Yeah. Sensually outside of wearing the goggles your years or taking you on the journey without you visually being there and having to watch wrong Clark, do what he thinks is the Milwaukee. Jordan is this how you recommend that people take in the this week and survivor history quiz. Should they do a second viewing or second listening? I think everyone should listen to ish at least two times. And yes, I think you need the whole thing you need the headphones. I think you should put some sort of blindfold on or lights off whatever you need to do. So you're just immersed into the sound of this week in survivor history. It's it's too bad. We're not on video because I think then people could get a further dimension of what it's like to be in the twitch hotseat. I am a big fan of the multiple viewings. I mean, especially for what I do with the podcast. I feel like that. There's like one time where you're going through it. And you don't know what's going to happen. Then there's a second time going through it where then you can see all the little Gleich clues that were leading up to what was going to happen. Who did you catch anything on either your first or second viewing that you feel like people might have missed? This week. Definitely on the first thing. I caught was it. This was innuendo central. There was all lot of stuff. Jeff said other people said, and there was a lot more snake going on than just the child. Leave it at that. Leave it at that. Pointed out of offer Aubrey many of our keen listeners and viewers of the without way, you picked up on when you watch the second time staring at the screen with the headphones on. Yes. Yes. And that's where I was like, okay. It's pretty decent that the goggles Audio's fine. Pretty DR here. Okay. Do you have a favorite of the returning players this season? Yeah. I would have to say similar to Mr Corrie from last week. I am also on the team. Kelly human wehrley team went worth digging. What I'm seeing with one worth. Although I'm starting to get a little worried about worth. But I think she got she goat this. If you will this how concerned should Kelly Wentworth fans be because I think that it's hard to tell with survivor because I think that they liked to tell us. Oh, this person's in trouble. This person's in trouble. This is the week that they're going to get vote on even last season with Christian. There was a lot of up until the point where he did get voted out. It was everything the week. Oh, Christian's going home this week. So how concerned should it? Kelly went worth fan. Be about her position right now. At least I would say about like it's a fifty fifty right now because they're still not definitive Ono. She's gonna go situation where she still has fight. She still has room to play my winner. Pick Lauren is her right hand, man. So that's great for her was we saw Lauren found the idol. So that could only benefit her moving forward. And I think that you know, she's working on it. She's putting stuff together. Obviously the Wendy thing threw her off enough that she's a zero on Wendy. But there looks like there's going to be enough turmoil here of big personalities within her tribe itself that eventually at some point they'll stop looking at her because other people will come up as threats the only reason she's being looked at right now. Because no one else really has a quote unquote, indeed resume point out and be like this person is dangerous. She does end David does Jordan you worried for Kelley win. Where do you think she's out soon? I think if that tribe goes to try again, she could be in a lot of trouble. Because originally I would have said that Wendy was in a much worse spot than she was. But after this episode, you kind of have David and Rick the Dick's are they want Wendy around. They think that they could use her as a vote. However, I think that Wendy's may be shown to be a little bit of volatile of all title personality to work with she when she was told reams going home. She wasn't willing to go along with the plan. So I think the longer there with her maybe they they might start to see that she could be tough to work with. And maybe they they'd favor went worth over her. But I kind of like what the war dog is thinking here. I think the war Doug has the right idea of wanting to keep the bigger target around. Aubrey is another person that was shown to be one of these returning players that is on the hot seat. Do you feel any differently about Aubrey? I'm a little bit more worried about Audrey if I'm being honest, just because it does seem like within that tribe. I mean, obviously, we still haven't seen all that much from them given that they're the they're the new tribe, and they're just going through the challenges like nothing, but what it looks like aubrey's being caught with her conversations and her concerns and people are talking, and it started to be more visible that hey, Aubrey is trying to not be the first boot. So let's make sure we're all on the same page here which is worrisome, especially given the preview we saw I'm also worried doubly about that. Because she's there with mustache Joe. And mustache Joe is an asset. I mean, this guy hasn't lost a group immunity since world apart. So that on its own. It's like, well we wanna keep him for now. We'll. Keep them for. We'll worry about him later. But Aubrey is starting to look a little expendable to them. So I'm hoping she can turn it around. I think she's socially more equipped to be able to. We'll just have to see if it works with these newbies. Who he I think we're in some sort of like a brave new world where it seems like that the new players might have the jump on the returning players, and it looks like this four of the returning players, and who knows how it's going to work out. But if we did have a scenario where this is a season where a new player wins the new players don't really give an inch to the returning players. Would that be the kind of situation that would make you want to see more returning players thrown into these seasons with new players? I don't think so. Because for me, it's like the will the appeal of the returnees is the kind of see them get another shot. Right. See them evolve or see the move forward and improve on what they have done because I think you're right outside of Russell haunts. No, come in as a returnee and gotten the boot like instantly, you were Dutch. I'm norwegian. But thanks. But yeah. So do I think that this could open the door for more returns to come back in a situation like this? Yes. Because then it kind of actually does balance out that. Hey, just because they're comeback. Doesn't mean they're all gonna make it to the end and have an easy go because these new knees are quote unquote woke. Yeah. So it might be fun to like throw another, you know, returning player to in the mix. If it's like, they're not gonna have this great advantage. But I think it ends up the pendulum ends up going the other way, then one then they'll forget about one of the players, and then that'll send the whole thing back to square one. So I guess is a a given take with it. I coach advocated for the for the winners versus for spooks. I I mean, I think if you're gonna have winners on a season you either do all winners winters and legends who were close to winning. I think the time to get the first boots in is when you have and you players cast because they're almost like new players like they have a little bit of an advantage where they've played. Survivor for three days they've been to a tribal they know what it's like to get voted out. But I think that they wouldn't come in with that same threat level because the other players look. Yeah, they had they had a chance, but they got voted out the first time they went to tribal. So I think they're almost on a similar footing. And you can maybe see that first time player turn or there that first boot. Turn their their luck around and be able to get in with some of the newbies. So I think that could be interesting who are you on board for fans versus I boots. I would be very down for that. I think that would be good shot out to Matt laguardia's favorite Alexis who talked about maybe a pre pre mergers people. So maybe fans versus pre mergers would be good to. Okay, we'll see look survivor stays on the air long enough. You gotta do all of these ideas. It's like Schrodinger 's season theme think-tank eventually got to do every single one of them. Yeah. We'll get through all of them. Okay. All right. Anything else? You wanna talk about from this week's episode. How to Keith is he going to extinction island? Yeah. What a what a situation we have there with the cliffhanger surely tweeted this premier night. But surely there can't be a person. That's like, oh, you know, what I've had enough. I'm going to go to the right side. Like, I really don't think there's a situation here where Keating doesn't take the chance to go. I don't know if his worry is remake or if he knows reams even going to be there if he just thinks well, Mike cooked might as well go to Ponderosa. I don't know. But I gotta imagine like ninety five percent. We're going to start the next episode with him just going to extinction island. You gotta think. So it would be a huge upset if it if it didn't happen. And I kind of feel that they would give us that moment. Right. Yeah. I would think so I feel like you can't like what is the point. If you're going to start the episode with right Keith left like, that's no good. And also as a player, just just go. Their peak your head and see what's going on. And then leave if you want really wanna leave. Okay. Yeah. Are you guys ready to talk about some survivors, social media? Yes. Oh is okay. We got a huge week of survivor social media talk about. So let me throw it to a intro from our friend. Jacob Sager Weinstein treats baby tweets. They're better than a tribe that has career. Jacob Sager Weinstein or Bob Seger. That was that was beautiful. Bob seger. Even know who that is. I am a Bruce Springsteen fan. That's that was one of his inspirations. Okay. All right. These school is loves the boss who knew who knew. Okay. Why don't we start off with Jeff Probst because we talked about this last week where Jeff Probst wanted to know from the listeners of survivor, how many people want there to be to our epic sounds. So he likes to throw a question out there for everybody wants. You know, who who should be watching the the two hour episodes this week? Jeff Probst also had another stir of that. He wanted to know from the listeners or from the survivor viewers who should come back for another season. Who what the what survivor players do the listeners or the viewers want to have come back? So this was in response to a tweet from a viewer. Justin Baker who said to Jeff Probst. I love survivor when will Rupert be back. That's a question. A lot of us asking and Jeff Probst replied, if you're bored who would you like to see play again? I'm always curious who are the current, quote, unquote, most popular and who are the s jeez. That you would like the see play again now g who ya. A kiva and I talked to fill thi this past weekend. So we could learn a bunch of terms that millennials are using. And so we learned about things like a year and a skit it and smoke, but Phil t did not tell us about. Jeez. Yeah. You're not you're not prepped for this one. Oh, jeez. So what could this me one-sided gamers, no? I think I know I think I may have figured it out. Yes. What is it g I think it's a regional survivor gangsters because it's like, oh, gee with s in the middle. So I think it's a regional survivor gangsters. Well, I thought originally that maybe it was like an auto correct where he meant to say. Oh, jeez. And then it changes to always Jeep. But it's g apostrophe S. Yeah. The be. Home. I get. Okay. So according to urban dictionary, look this up real. Now. No, we're not gonna we're not going to use. Move on. Okay. I'm not gonna look this up because I don't want to have another bait. Blake moment where I'm reading this. Okay. I can't compose myself. All right. We're gonna play this weekend survivor history quiz in a little bit. But are you up for a short game called did this survivor re tweet this or not? Absolutely. I would love to play this game. Okay. All right. So I'll just throw you out of survivor, and you tell me, yes. Yes. Or no you can play against the d school ish here. And we'll see if if you have it or not. Okay. All right. First one up. I I one up we're going to go with John Carroll. John Carroll who? Yeah. Okay. Did they re tweet this? Yes. They definitely did retreat. No, no, no, re tweet from John Carroll that a good trick answer up. Thank you. Thank you spent enough time with me that you know, how to really throw people for a loop on these quizzes. Okay. Jordan. Yes. Jonny fairplay? Absolutely. They may have responded. These are only re tweets to only retweets do quote tweets counter. No. I don't think. So they can I ask Alexa. Can I can I do? Okay. Leslie, niece, Leslie, niece survivor China. Okay. There's been two knows mathematically. Yes. Yes. She has please. Okay. Go on the. Jordan. Russell Russell haunts. Hans. I'm going to say, I think Russell Hans is a big time re tweeter I've seen him retreat. A lot of things on my feet not this one specifically. But I'll say, yes. Russell hunts. No retreat. No. He's a he's a big time quote retriever. So that is true. Yeah. Okay. All right, Jerry, Mandy. No German has other things to do. No. The game. If I get this right away. Okay. All right and. One more Spencer blood cell Spencer Bledsoe, he was very active on Twitter. This Greek Irini tweet that I'm going to say there's only been one. Yes of just was Lee niece. I'm gonna I'm still going to say, no, I'm gonna say he didn't retreat this. Sorry. One of the many re tweets for Spencer Bledsoe this week. Yes, also re tweeting in the fifty four times Kobe arch. Philip shepherd. Also was a was a re tweet of blocks me on Twitter. So I wouldn't know that one doing okay, I've literally never said anything bad about it on Twitter. I don't know why he blocked me. I think he likes me during like survivor Cambodia for no reason. Yeah. Maybe no Philip shepherd. I think I think that I spoke to soon on that one. Okay. All right. So Jeff Probst wanted to know. Oh, sorry that. Philip shepherd was one of the quote tweet pothole. So there's there's a lot of there's a lot of quote, quote, tweet survivors as well. Should we play? Should we play who quote tweeted that to move on? Okay. Okay. Of a long long story, short survivors. Liked to wanna play survivor again long story short at one for you won the game. Okay. So we mentioned the young lad Spencer Bledsoe. And nobody was more active on social media than a Spencer was this week. Really somebody woke up the drag in about a week ago where Spencer has just been on a tear across Twitter. Instagram has done. I think three different read it AMA's all over the red it comments. He is scheduled to be a guest with us here on Thursday, who I can't think of another guest who has ever come into Rob's a podcast with as much momentum. Yeah. No. He's definitely got the drip right now. And he's so much drip. So my stripped, he's drenched Wigan, and it's great. It's really great to see really be about it. Yes. Okay. So do you have a most favorite Spencer, Bledsoe social media moment this week? I do have one. And I think you probably share the maybe share the same when there was many. It's gotta be the exchange with Mr. haunts. Okay. All right. So okay. Let's. Take a look at that the exchange with with Russell, I think it might have been more than one. Do you have can you basically almost every single survivor figure on social media? I had an interaction with Spencer this week, which one are you referring to specifically? Specifically when he clapped back Russell with. Are you with me or against me? Okay. Yeah. Okay. So this was I think unprovoked just out of nowhere. I think that Spencer just came out and said to Russell are you with me or against me. Russell was responding to a tweet from Cody Cody thrive Cody from stranded with a million dollars. I think so I think that's the guy. He's been podcasting with and so Cody said, if you take out Kelly, you go to try the three out of the next five tribals makes total sense, right? Just target your best female athletes that can try bowl then you're working without numbers going into any merge situation. So I think Cody being sarcastic thinks it's a mistake to take Kelly. Russell says most people don't even really think out there bad moves made on a regular, and they always think they know their best until they're. Ponderosa and Spencer comes in off the top rope. He says unless they make it to the end and can plead their case to win. Then they think they know best until and then he had a picture of Natalie white winning with hands over her mouth. Ron Clark comes in with the emoji laughing and thumbs up. And then that's when a Russell ended up clapping back on Spencer and said, y'all a loser. Just like I am. So you wouldn't know? And Spencer said to Russell are you with me or against me and against. So yeah, the young young lad is is hot right now. Jordan, do you have a favorite Spencer social media moment from this week? Well, I mean, I think a lot of people were talking about his his back and forth with with Richard hatch. But he actually tweeted about nineteen hours ago and people think Spencer, and I sound like pantley, we think alike as well. He said what's the biggest number there any number smaller than zero? He's also very confused about math. And here's a game, which which are podcast responded. It depends. What font size you use? I don't know. Undergo with leader lead. Do you have a guess I'm gonna go with the tabulating on this one? That's a good guess it was actually David Bloomberg. Foiled? Yes, you tied you both tie with zero. So there's yet no points higher than zero in that mini game. Yeah. What was what was he going back and forth with with Richard hatch? There was this feud with Richard Hal, it was this was this was going back and forth that Spencer, and I don't know if we'll get into this on the pied kissed this week, but his really seems to be really diving into the very nature of existence and Richard hatch loves a good philosophical debate. And they got into they were talking about authenticity and truth and all the kinds of stuff that Twitter was made to really get into very deep philosophical discussion for figure out the meaning of life in two hundred eighty characters and they were they were going back and forth, and Richard hatch was talking about how Jeff Probst perception is. Reality and he disagrees, but he thinks that the disagreement is about whether we're conflicting truth and perception does a disservice. It's anybody still awake is anybody still awake right now? And Jeff props came in and said, whoa who woke up Richard hatch. And I believe that Spencer said. Your son did. About himself referred to them self as Jeff probe, son. Is he woke son, I think that he is called he's a nicknaming himself. Wow. Fun. Yes. But then he also said, oh, maybe it was a flirty girl who is good at manipulating men because Spencer right before this like the the thing that really started. This earthquake was I think that Spencer had like unbalanced Hines day like a reach weet of Jeff Probst from like twenty sixteen. We're Jeff probe said something, I'm I'm a flirty girl who's good at manipulating men, and it was like he found like a really old Jeff drope sweet. And now like we should have known like the Subbiah says awake. Now, he's saying he's Jeff Probst son as in like like, he's actually insinuating that he might be a son, or is it more like a Bryce thing, son. I don't think that this is a Maury Povich paternity situation. Yeah. Okay. So it's more of a Bryce Scituate I did play on a season together. And the whole family thing is rubbing off on maybe more people will start tweeting like how their Jeff ropes. Maybe maybe. Richard hatch said I promise no, girl flirty or otherwise would've woken me up. So. Cliff Robinson, all ready uncle swifty. Okay. All right. Spencer. Look it up. There's we could do five hours right now on. Tweets and Instagram from this week and hopefully. Mike bloom podcast for the off season. I mean, this was I think I can't remember not since Tony which was something that I said to Spencer over tax said, you are the new Tony has any survivor being on social media. Just firestorm like this. No, we haven't seen this on a long time. Like, we're getting to the point where he can easily have a top eighteen that you and Mike bloom can podcast about an offseason on a brand steel like this has been really good. Spencer's greatest social media posts. Wow. Wow. I mean, the previous high bar. I think was the time that he made a bet with germy Collins about the patriots losing the Super Bowl, and then he had to pay a bunch of people ten dollars. Yeah. That was like a lot. I think that's what got him not to be on anymore, and he's moved on from that. But people people are loving people are eating it up. So hopefully, I just hope he doesn't burn himself out before Thursday. I would hope maybe this is the warm up. This is like the bag of chips for thanksgiving. Okay. He's he's getting ready getting ready for because I was very blindsided this week when we were having a text conversation about looking the podcast, and I was very the he'd said to me over text. Hey, should I tweet this? And I said, you're the new Tony like crazy. And then I was very surprised when then there were a lot of replies to the screen shot of our text message conversation. Not a lot of people have done that. I have to like. What happened to me before where texting with somebody? And then the texts are tweets. Yeah. This was very fun candidate moment backstage more in front of you want to see how how the podcast gets made. Yeah. So who knows who knows what will happen between now and Thursday. All right. Let's say some of the other tweets from this week Aubrey Bronco tweeted so about last night. Do you like want to start a dialogue? I like see myself in you hashtag. Why I am single hashtag wanted date. So happy that Aubrey can have some fun with it. Did you feel like that Aubrey got a raw deal? Well, I feel like they went out of their way to show that things which is unfortunate. Because surely amongst all of those open dialogues, there were some people that thought that took it well, not necessarily everybody was probably sour on the idea. But they put it all together. And obviously there is no person with thicker skin than Aubrey to be able to see all that happen. And then come on the next day and make a joke about it. And we can all laugh together. So all she had it all. Yeah. And I think this is another example, I don't think Aubrey did anything wrong here. I mean, I think that's sort of what you wanna do and survivor you wanna talk to everybody. But here's where where you benefit from having new players who actually know how to play the game where they're comparing notes which is something that they rarely do in like either fans versus favorite seasons or seasons like South Pacific or redemption island. This almost never happens. Which is why I'm such a big fan of these new players. Like, I think it I'm hoping it doesn't I mean Aubrey is my favorite returner on the season. She's actually the first survivor who ever appeared on twist and I'm rooting for her. But I mean, I think that this is something that if that tribe goes to tribal could really come back to her. But hopefully, she's able to recover I really just think it was good play all around from everyone on the comic drive. Okay. Victoria bay Monday. She's V bay Monday on Twitter before we see a two. Here's a bit. You didn't see an absurd one when Jeff ESMA new their names and the bald one says war dog I turn to Gavin speaking to him for the first time and did he just say his name is warthog? Did it? Spark a friendship or Gavin think I'm a moron. Stay tuned. So we'll see a lot of people that are confused as it wore dog or warthog or though were dog. Yeah. It does seem like it's a becoming a thing for the other survivors to really want slam war dog on these podcasts. I thought coach was kind of hard on the war dog the other day. It was I think the thing for me is that I think going into the season ward was the easiest this guy's called water guy. Who does he think he is? But then you look at what he's been doing. And I've been pretty pretty happy with what I'm seeing pretty I'm into the war dog. And also. Yeah, I put out a tweet to me Wardell kind of looks and sounds like Brendan Vigo's, and I'm happy to see. He's voice double for Brendan. Yeah. Yeah. It works. All right. Well, let me see. So I have a clip of war dog. And let's see if we can see what he sounds like. Okay. Here is the war, man. What is good? Uncanny. Yeah. That's pretty amazing. Okay. Then Davey Rickenbacker, Mr. Seah money himself. Were you surprised when you found out that Davey got that SIA money? I would not would not have thought I thought maybe the money was behind us. But those checks keep coming in and someone's the recipient and all kind of happy. It's Davey Davey something. He can take as a lot for dinner. It'll be a good time. Out. Buying some more Walking Dead props. I think. David a good tweet. He said why is Keith acting like this blue or red pill decision on the matrix? Yes. Which which you're gonna take where's where's morpheus? Chrissy. Huff back was not pleased with this. She said, are you kidding me? I'm changing my answer below. I'd like to banish to the edge of extinction players who aren't interested in playing a weight that would solve this problem. So Chrissy, one of the people not happy that keep is even having to think about this. Yeah. I mean, it's again it goes back to like, why wouldn't you just go to the left immediately? And I we don't know if they manage to stretch this out for a long time and just make it a cliffhanger. It's kind of like when and I know you're not going to like this reference raw. But when they start yelling take it off on the mass singer. And it takes thirty five. Aska? They're stretching it out. I think that's what's going on here. Yeah. Maybe could they do some sort of like Glenn in the dumpster type thing where it looks like he walks off, and then ends up, and he really did go to extinction island. They could it would have been better. We'll better than what this was. I just I just hope that we get the next up. So it with he just he took the left turn. He took the blue pill. All right. Troy Zan said is Jesus hiding in the bushes, Keith Garriga grip on it or other. That might be my favorite Twitter account. All the survivors the survivor alumni, they don't like hearing anything about people thinking about quitting thinking about not playing like the survivor alumni thirsty. They want to go back that don't take anything for granted don't complain about not having any food because they didn't have any food. And if you really wanna piss off the so I don't go to your second chance. Do you think he was was paying Maas to Joanna ward being that he got voted out? Exactly sixteen years after JoAnne award down survivor and talked a lot about Jesus. So you think that he got voted out intentions knew he knew when the episode would air he pretended he couldn't swim. And he was like I'm gonna do JoAnne award a favor and pay a little bit of payroll mosh to her. I'll I'll let remants or this question. What did you think about these segment of Riemann just walking around the extinction island? Julia incredulous. Yeah. It was really fun. This was one. Got a raise. This flag kidding me. There's no time limit on this one. You. She's not having fun. They're my favorite ream moment, though was right after we get out of the cliff hanger. And instead of the final words, it's like, oh, yeah. I'm still here, and I'm still miserable. And I think this poor ream Rame. Okay. Dillwyn worth farm guys sixty nine tweeted that he today. I was on the street. A fan said, I'm a huge survivor fan hooked on watching Kelly Whitworth play and Dale responded. Thanks. She's playing a strong game so far and then the fan said, so they let her come home on weekends. Joe's. That's server budget. I I saw that on Twitter. I mean, even even if like someone was under the impression that they were filming this now, and you only saw stuff like during the week. Do they really think that they're going to send twenty people or eighteen people in this case back and forth on flights to the United States locate seven days in between the episodes Jordan because they gotta wait out for that. Where it's like. Yeah. So Devon's won't be joining us because this connecting flight got mission. So you'll be that's what used to happen on the celebrity apprentice like people people would have real jobs, and they would have to miss episodes. And then I never got one didn't get fired. And that case if you're if you're not showing up why should someone else get fired? Well, I think that it's a it's a valid point. You know, that the celebrity apprentice is we as we've learned adheres to a very strict rule set that they wouldn't ever Toya Jackson back is absolutely ridiculous. What's like to off the beaten path here these hanging there? All right. We'll go into toy Jackson today on why she doesn't give he was on the mass thing was you. Yeah. Yeah. What was she? Oh, she the poodle. I think she was the poodle and she didn't have any weeks. She had to miss. No. She attended all of them. And then got sir. What's up with that, Jordan? The boot. I don't know. I think she's she's playing favorites. Apparently, she likes them singer better than celebrity apprentice. Okay. Then Bryce is the saga of Bryce is a in the office continues to go on Bryce tweeted, hashtag coffee club update. Got to the office. This morning wanted to share the new trend in the office by James, I'm still going to use it anyway. And then he tweeted a picture of somebody put like tape over the top of their Kramer. Woo jesus. Hashtag come on. God has take have to coffee. Club. He's still got it. He's still got it. The coffee Creamer bandit is at large. And then finally t-bird tweeted, hashtag survivor extinction. What a cliffhanger finish watching at church, boys. Sixteen agonize over which path to take riveting stuff too soon to adventure, Keith grant, the torch bird hates quitters too. So she keep better take that towards Jordan. I think instead of instead of the sign they should have Tiba Tiba just standing there. Good. Extinction. Literally every week at the end of the episode just giving words of encouragement to eat survive. You can do you can make take that torch. You get out of here. I want to. I want to. Yeah. So all right. That's the week it, social, honestly, I feel like that. We are barely scratching the surface of social media. It's pretty lit right now. Yeah. Definitely. There was one rub which I wanted to bring in if that's cool go for a plea deal. I put out a tweet Wednesday night. It wasn't the what my Konta was important someone replied to it. And then this is what they tweeted this at war dog guy. He's Matt Lauer from twenty years ago. Why am I circuit shorting out? Is this a tear in the time space continuum, I'm confused. Hashtag talked to my future self again. The only take away from this one. Is that at war? Okay. So at war dog is not the war dog from this season. Outward is some Twenty-three-year-old e gamer who has the handle at war guy slips into my mentions. And he says WTN for you talking about who are you people? And why are you tagging? Why are you calling me Matt Lauer? Twenty years ago. So then I said you're getting the dose of that survivor crowd, man. And then he said, I guess so y'all another breed. Relieve at war dog alone. That's why the war refers to the war dog. Please respect the. War dog on Twitter. Yes. War dog war dog ward dog TV war dog YouTube gaming. Yeah. That's the guy. Yeah. You wanna hear war dogs? A best. Halo games ranked? Okay. Here. We got top ten at war dog. Best halo games or rank number ten. You can't rate number nine the halo games number eight because number seven all halo games. Number six play number five part in number four making a number three great universe. Number two that I love number-one. Halo two. These rankings are arbitrary and reductive. Why are we rank? When did that trend stop making lists? But the lists are really just words sentence. And then the top one is your actual top one. Trendsetter? Okay. All right. That could be a game for the NBA. I'll text my Mike Luma's at war dog or the at the war dog. Actual twitter. Dan, the war dog. Let me see he's not like Lear. So where he got that. Probably is I am the war. I am the war dog. Okay. So getting they're getting into the game a little late. I think for the war dog. Okay. Yeah. All right. We're going to get ready to play the this week in survivor history quiz in just a moment. But first, let me take a moment. And thank our sponsor for this episode of the podcast and those are friends who make the calming comfort weighted blanket, we saw ream on extinction island this week. And she just looked so cold and miserable. 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So let's go ahead and get into our game and play a little bit of. Okay. This week in survivor has ready. I'm nervous. I'm nervous. I feel like I will be at the very least a good opponent for you in the sense that you will get a handle win. But we'll see I'm gonna I'm not to not try. So we'll see. All right. Do you have a voice enabled assistant at the ready? I do my friend Google is ready to go your Google, Greg views. Yeah. Last week, we had the the Siri fields. I hope somebody comes on with the the Alexis Maxwell, okay? Okay. Jordan. Do you want to set this up at all? Yes, we have four multiple choice questions each of you will get to answer to them. If you would like, I do not have to read the multiple choice options. If you're correct and don't hear the multiple choice options, you get two points for a correct answer. If you're wrong your opponent gets to steal. If you want to hear the multiple choice. You get one point if you're right. Your opponent cannot steal in that case. And then we'll go to the death match. And if there's a tie after that, we have a couple tiebreakers planned. Those are those are the rules. And as rob said you get to use your your Google device for one question. Okay. Approach you if you choose. Okay. All right. What are the categories this week, Jordan? Okay. The categories we have the Boston massacre nominal officia escape goats, and what can Brown do for you? All right. A scapegoat. Spelled G dot dot dot T S. Thanks for the clarification there just to it could be there's two ways there's two ways of spoke goats these days. Yeah. We're in strange times. So you get to make the first selection. All right. So I'm gonna go with what can Brown do for you? Okay. So we're going to go to survivor code wrong. The episode is called the circle of life from March second twenty sixteen three years ago Saturday who found the clue to the brawn tribe idol. Okay. So I'm gonna run with this. I'm going to go with a leash Holden Alicia Holden. You did not you did not ask Google. You did not ask for the multiple choice. And you are correct C. You get two points there. Yes. Alicia hold him was the one who found the clue mistakenly tells Sydney sending gome about it who she thinks she's working with. But really Sydney is working more with Kyle. Jason Scott Pollard. But yeah, at least found the clue, and she's the only one who does not get to benefit from this Eitel Kyle Jason Scott Pollard, obviously, get it. They sort of have a a little bit of a wrestling match. World is a Holden. Does does not get it when it falls out of the tree? So yeah. At least found the clue, but unfortunately, did not get the idol. So you have a two zero lead. Very nice start. Rob jus your category. Can I hear the categories one more time? Yes. The Boston massacre nominal Faiza or escape goats. Okay. I will go with Boston massacre. Okay. So we're going to go to survivor marquesses episodes Nacho mama from March seventh two thousand seventeen years ago at this Thursday in his personal Bill. Buckner moment, Boston rob lost the tiebreak around at the survivor marquesses, growed gross food eating immunity challenge. He let victory slip from his hands much like Tom Brady at the football slip from his hands during the fourth quarter of Super Bowl fifty two which wrote to member defeated the rob that sucks eating through. I think I know it, but I will. Let me hear the choices. Okay. So for one point is at a Zoe adak is be John Carroll. See Kathy Vaverko, Brian or DNA Leah Dennis. I believe it's really a-. Me is correct. You get one point there and has a two to one lead. Yeah. And was able to get that disgusting looking Fafa redound faster than Boston. Rob so puja with with your lead. You get to choose the next category. All right. Let's go with the escape, G dot dot dot T. Okay. Scapegoats we're going to survivor Micronesia from the episode. He's a ball of goo from March sixty thousand eight eleven years ago, this Wednesday Joel famously dragged chat around while tied together during the reward challenge in this episode one of the players they were chasing party who was tethered to Parviz successfully escaping truck and the ball of goo. Can I get the multiple choice? You can get the multiple choice. And also this the last question where you can use your Google views, the multiple choice, we have a Elisa Orleans be Alexis Jones CJ Cisco de Natalie Bolton. Okay. Okay. Are I'm gonna try it. I'm gonna try it was awful. Who was poverty tether to in survivor Micronesian. A look at these results starting with one from Wikipedia. But we'll you're no good. Can I hear the options? One more time. Yes. Was it a allies Orleans be Alexis Jones? See Jason Cisco de Natalie Bolton. All right. I'm particularly on the dark here because I really do not remember I'm gonna go with B B, Alexis Jones, a lot of Alexis Maxwell talk. So far in the first two weeks of this weekend survivor history. But unfortunately, it was not her name, buddy. It was Elisa Orleans was one of the scapegoats along with poverty shallow. So you don't get a point there. But you still have a two to one lead. And we're over to on this this new quote unquote advantage, rob we're gonna go to nominal affairs. You this is from the same episode of Micronesia at the Micronesia tribe. Swap who called Joel Troy while drafting him onto the molecule tribe. I'm going to listen to the choices. Okay. It was it. A Amanda be Ozzy. See Sirri d Amy Kusak. I don't remember how this worked at all. But I will say was Amanda. So Amanda, so we had the way that this tribe. Swopped worked we had to contestant to randomly chosen his captains as he had the first pick. And he picked Troy maybe four shadowing that he would eventually play with Troy Zan. So you were unfortunately incorrect, you're not gonna point. There has a two to one lead going in to the final round so job at those questions. We're going to the death match. Here are the rules much. Like this week's episode of of extinction. There were many instances this week in survivor history in which three contestants receive votes tribal council. I will give you the season and who was voted out at tribal council, then I will give you three options. You must tell me out of those three options who did not receive votes at the specific tribal for answers will be given during this round. And if you're incorrect, you may not gain any more points unless we go to tiebreaker. Therefore, if you're incorrect on your first response you open the door for your opponent again, three points in this round. If there's a tiebreaker after four enters will go sorry if there's a tie after four answers, we'll go to a tiebreaker. So rob since you were going, I you get to pick a number here between one and six I will go with number five. Okay. Number five. This is from survivor, redemption island. This is where Russell hands was voted out, the three choices are Krista. Clump Ralph Kaiser and Stephanie Valencia who did not receive votes at the tribal council in which Russell was voted out. Okay. And if you get this wrong you actually lose the game. Okay. All right. So can you just please reset again little confusing? What what am I looking for? I'm looking for the person who did not get any not get votes. So Russell hands obviously got votes. He was voted out the three two out of these three people did receive votes at this tribal, the three options or Krista, clump Ralph Kaiser, Stephanie Valencia too. Two of them did one of them. Didn't you're trying to get the one who did not receive votes. Okay. So I'm trying to pick the person that they did not split the votes against so. I think that they thought maybe Stephanie Valencia might have been tied in more to Russell's I will say that the great Krista. Clump did not get votes at the tribal council. So Russell Russell Krista. Stephanie put their three votes on Ralph Tyzzer. And then obviously, the majority group is going to try to get one of Russell's allies, and you pick correctly, crystal did not receive votes there. So you get a point we are tied to two and puja you get the next one. Now, we're gonna go to survivor worlds apart. This is the Vince sly boot from from worlds apart. We have Jen Brown, Nina, Porsche and Wilson's. Jenn. Brown. Nina Porsche will Simms. Okay. Okay. Jen brown. Nina wilson's. Okay. Those are the okay. Yeah. Those research -vivor legends. Guaranteed for survivor. I. Okay. I want to go with everyone's favorite. See you couldn't think which one because they're not anyone's favorites. Lina is very nice Nina's. Nice. Need is a neat lady as well. Yeah. I'm gonna go with Wilson's. We'll sim. So this is actually the first tribal council that Joe England ever went to the plan originally that Joe Jenin hell he came up with was to split the votes. They thought that will was going to do whatever they ask them to do. But will also sort of flirting with an alliance with with Vinson, Nina. So will does go against the plan. But he actually puts the vote on Vince where they thought he was gonna put the vote on Nina and Nena was supposed to go ahead and the tiebreaker, but you're correct. Well, did not receive votes there. So you have three to two lead. And rob you must get this one. Right. If you wanna stay in it, we're going to go to survivor Kagi on unfortunately, very sad. The purple pants bad ass voted out, Bryce, voted out. The three options are Alexis Maxwell, jeffer-, bland, and Morgan McLeod. Okay. One more time. It's. The three women Alexis Jeffrey Alexis, Jeffrey, and Morgan who do not receive votes at the Bryce boot. Okay. I know Alexis got votes. Did Jeffrey get a vote. Also that that maybe. Boy was jeffer- or Morgan. What did Bryce and Morgan wanna do? I'll say that the person who did not get a vote was Geoffrey Geoffrey is correct. The majority were trying to split the votes on Bryson Morgan it was actually it was a another two to vote just like the worlds apart one was supposed to be. But yeah, Jeff Jefford did not get votes there. And you are correct. So you get you get a point we are tied three to three so puja. Here's here's the to. Here's a two things that can happen here. You can either get this one, right? And you win the game or you get it wrong, and we will go to tiebreaker. So we're going to go to survivor ghost island. This is the Morgan Ricky boot it's either Angela Perkins James limb or Libyan check for the game. Who was the boot? The boot was Morgan Ricky, the choices are Angela James or Libby. Angela James and Libby. Okay. Okay. Okay. We got we go this. Or for the win. Maybe I want to go. I'm gonna go with Libby. Okay. So the obviously the the people from the original Molo by AB too. Russell get your ready got voted out during this during this question. So. Jordan. This was a good good episode for James limb, and the Melos a rare rare good Molo episode where they were able to get one over on domino Wendell, and they actually convinced they convinced Angela Perkins to put a vote on Livy. Which means you are incorrect James limb did not receive vote here. So you you do not get a point here. And we're gonna go to a tiebreaker. It will be Rob's turn. We're gonna go to survivor heroes vs villains. This is the Sirri boot was elbow on this Colby or Tom. Who did not get a vote? Let's see. I feel like people were probably coming for Candice. They were going to be split the vote between. Colby in and then JT which is vote. So. Boy, this is a mess. I will say that it was. Candice Candice is correct. So Tom actually did get votes negated by the idol that he played. Those got votes there were negated votes, but they were still votes. So Colby was actually the the original plan that was supposed to go with. It was going to be a vote split between Colby and Tom just in case Tom did play the idol, which which he did Coby got votes and JT switches to Sirri sending her home, but Candace did not receive votes there. So rob, you're correct. You have a four to three lead you need to get this one right in order to go to the final tiebreaker. If you're wrong rob wins the game in a comeback. So we're going to go to survivor co wrong. This is the Liz Markham boot, the choices are Aubrey it. Neal Gottlieb or Peter bagging so's. Okay. So this market goes in Fischbach said then. On a figure out who else got books. Okay. Can you repeat the options again, please? Yup. Aubrey Neil or Peter. Peter. I know he wanted Neil like Neal was the one they want it. But okay, I'm gonna go with the ice cream, man. We'll go with Neil. Neil is correct yet. So obviously, the the two pairs of Joe, and Debbie, and then Aubrey and Neil split their votes on listen, Peter. So Liz, Liz, and Peter actually thought that Neil would be getting votes, and they were going to potentially try to send him home on the revolt. But they were wrong thinking that Joe and Debbie were voting with them. So yeah, Neil is correct. Double overtime again. Double overtime. Yeah. This is coming. And we are going to stay here in this in this episode. We're actually I don't know if I wanna go to double overtime. I dunno. I gotta think about it. And if at any point if either of you want to quit the game you just have to raise win flag. And the podcast right here. So we're going to stay in this episode of wrong. So Aubrey as as we found out I did receive votes at this at the tribal council on this episode. So I watched the episode I was doing a little confessional counting. The question is how many confessionals did Aubrey have during this episode. You're going to give me a number. Whoever is closest to the number is going to win the game. Like we like we stated last week if you're both off by the same amount the lower number will win. So if the answer was fifty one you said fifty one the other ones that forty nine forty nine would win. So you can either rob you could send me the answer on the Skype chat. Puja you could send me the number on either Facebook or Twitter. However, you want to do it. I have a I have a number from rob puja was not in the scope shot where where are you sending his number then? Okay. That's true. Rob has rob is giving me his number his numbers locked in so puja, how many confessionals did Aubrey have in this episode? All right. I going with MAMBO number five MAMBO number five. Rob says four these are actually the same two guesses from last week where rob defeated Matt LaGuardia. He was actually right on the nose the answers one. So rob you were closer and again on a double Tiber you win the game. Yeah. Aubrey only only one I was surprised to see this actually only one confessional here. And you would think she was a big a big part of the episode. She was she was potentially going to get voted out if Peter and Debbie wanted to go with you don't know who they would have necessarily voted for in the revote. But yeah, Aubrey gets tvos here. More more votes than confessionals in this in this episode. So rob you win the game by score of five to four another really close one. And. Great great talking about the episode from this week. Oh, no. Episode. I wanna say no what I did. I. Doesn't matter in that same code wrong episode. We spoke about and by the way, Joe England, if you if you tied there, I would have gone to the Joe confessionals from his worlds apart episode and the answer would have been three. So he got a little bit more there than than Aubrey did. But a great job you had a lead. There. You had a lead there for for a lot of the game. You weren't you didn't sound so confident coming in. But you were very close. They're a couple of chances to win the game. But rob is able to you as you out. So rob you're on the season. Okay. Hot hot coming into this new season. Great job. I got a couple other dumb things for you. Let's let's listen to. Insinuating that the quizzes dumb of. Because this is fine. It's fine. Okay. Right. Whatever. Right, right, right room. You know, it's fine. All right. Let's listen to Keith he tries to decide to take the red pillar of the blue pill. You have a decision to make. If you want a chance to get back in the game, take the torch in the boat. Eric Stein youth. That was indeed a new it was what it was. Oof. This decision might be a five Hooper. The wrong way. It's already three. Oh, for I think in the eyes of many of the alumni. Yeah. And if he was the one to go out, I would have been a food which would have been. Okay. I've got some of the voicemails that didn't make the cut for my conversation with Lisa if you wanna hear some of those absolutely okay. All right. Let's let's listen to what Zoe wanted to answer for this week in survivor, and so play this voice mail for you from Zoe, he rob. So we hear so after two weeks of seeing Gavin in I the pineapple shirt. And then the pineapple underwear them this episode is it safe to assume that Gavin is indeed the real life pineapple boy twenty seven and if so do we send our feedback to pineapple boy twenty seven or to Gavin Whitson love to hear your thoughts. Thanks. Could Gavin be pineapple boy twenty seven it's there is a possibility. There is a possibility. He's definitely Repin the gear which I didn't know there was pineapple boy merch, but he called he got it. I don't know. I don't know if he's advocating for pineapple on pizza. I'm not quite sure. But there's definitely a chance that there. I mean, he was featured on a song with Phil filty. So he is around here. Yes. What is his connection to pineapples? I don't know. I don't know if he just likes the sweet flavor if he thinks Wuyin, right? Well, I it's kind of like what fruit are you? Okay. You know, I'm kind of like prickly and spiky on the outside. Like, I'm intimidating, but I'm nice on the inside. Because the episode of the singer that I watched was where they revealed the pineapple boy twenty seven, and it was it was Tommy Chong. Connection. Maybe Tommy Chong as his great grandfather. As a lot in common with with Tommy Chuck. I know he loves Disney. Gavin is just waiting to like the dole whips is that it it's possible possible. There's many many questions are coming up with this. Choice of a tire. We'll have to see if there's any more. If there's more pineapple gear that he's just holding out on right now. Okay. All right. This is a question that we got that was concerning Canadians playing survivor, and this is from Eric h really wants to call its shot. Okay. Wanna follow up on Orissa Cox last week just real quick about the Canadians on survivor? So I have a couple of conspiracy theories. This is crazy theory y survivor now casting the natives firstly it love the fact that people. Hi, there Accu patients and now they're going to go into the game and say, I'm not gonna tell someone I'm Canadian with without people don't say that their lawyers. So that's that. But the number one reason that they made this a possibility is because poker legend Daniela ground who who loves survivor wants to be on the show book at one of the first two seasons for they're allowed for thirty nine or forty I'm assuming it's thirty nine Daniela ground. It will be on the season book it 'cause -perienced theory. Jeff Probst made it happen and ks beco- says boom. Buying or selling Eric's theory. I mean, I'm into kid poker? I like Daniel McGraw new and I was to be on the season. I would love it. But I don't think Daniel Nagorno needs the rules bent for him to be there. I really don't. I mean, look at Tom green. Tom green gets on celebrity big brother as a Canadian. I mean, he does get citizenship after. But like, I don't think that's needed if they really wanted. Daniel garner of kid poker really wanted his name throwing in the hat. He would have been okay to get there. I don't think they needed to bend the rules over for him to be there who will you be the first Canadian to play on American survivor. If I was robbed. I will tell you this upfront I would wear Kiwi shorts and Kiwi t shirt. That's for New Zealand survivor. No because because like a Kiwi. I'm Harry on the outside and inside. I think that's the caused him for you the masks -vivor. I don't think that's for the actual survivor or returning players season, which is the mess survivor. So they returning players, but they're all in costume the whole time. And then when they get voted out, you get like the jury will start chanting take take it up. So we had like the Scooby doo ending every single week. All right. Let's see who you really were the ten. Would've gotten away with it. If it wasn't for you, damn middling kids in your hidden, immunity idol. Johnson. Goodbye goodbye man or do by man. And then you can have you could have somebody in like an octopus costume, and it can either be Davey Rickenbacker, Debbie. And because she doesn't like when people eat active, push and baby Rickenbacker found an octopus. So there'd be a lot of guessing on Reddit, which one is it. Yeah. Okay. Maybe they could do like a seventy two hour season. And maybe maybe. The survivors in costumes. Okay. Pu. The big brother Canada cast is here you pumped up. I'm very pumped up. I'm not gonna lie. I'm still behind on my research slash looking at all the interview. So the one thing I have taken is that there is a new Persian in the house. First male, Persian Representative me lot Mackey. He goes by Mackey. So Mr. Mackey we rooting for you. Twists or bad. Okay. So yeah, that'll be very fun. I think we're gonna get into that Monday night. I think we're gonna l f c big brother Canada draft coming up anything else. You wanna talk about? I think we covered everything. And I think if I could do one thing is ask you nicely. If we could get on August twelve get the preseason. Mike bloom brand steel of the master -vivor. I would love that done. He's done. Okay. So how is this? So does Mike bloom. No who all the mask survivors are so it's like, okay. It's a jar of peanut brittle. It's the and then we. And we go through everything, and then they get voted out. And then Mike bloom tells us out so actually the strawberry was and he gives us the reveal. I think what you do is you have because the massacre has Nick cannon who allegedly knows who they are ready. I feel like so you bring in a third party, and they will reveal them to you both. And you both go in blind with headphones on high volume, but blind, and you won't know opening this is your idea. So that if you want to be the Nick cannon, and you want to and you want to create this, and you tell Mike, and I what to load into the brand steel simulator. Then go ahead, and you can give us the clues also on the way. Don't my definitely I'm actually all in on this. I won't do it. You've got me. There's no doubt in my mind. I will take this. I'll run this. That you were a fan of the monster onto who was the monster. The monster ended up being the one and only the immortal t pain pain. Yeah. Yeah. Well, here's the thing. So we kind of knew going in that it was going. It's t paying the clues got to a point where the internet found out who it was. But then t paying the day of the finale releases an album called one up. You know, what you've you gotta imagine. Okay. So t pain's winning I checked out this album after the fact, and the monsters entire story was you know, I got isolated from the world because they thought it was a joke, and it all came down to people made fun of him for his auto tune that he's not really a singer. And he blew us away with amazing performances on the mat singer wind auto tune, but if you had to guess, do you think there's any auto tune on this album? Yes. Or no. Which album on his new album one up that dropped the same night as the finale. I would say, yes. Yeah. It's all auto tune. It's dry. Come on man, you feel the comeback and then this happened. But no one was happier about t pain winning than Liana Boris guarantees. Okay. Well, I can't wait to see what comes up on the mask survivor brings he'll extravagant. It's going to be so much fun. And who's the first our you followed on Twitter. Okay. So I was thinking about this because survivor. Yeah, I've been on these Twitter streets for a while. But I wasn't on the survivor or big brother streets for joint simply hambur twenty ten. Yeah. We out here. But if I had to tell you why follows I would assume it would have been right around the time when I started getting back into watching proper live along with the podcasts. So this person, let's go master virus? Oh this person if they're playing Mario Kart. They would pick towed. They love towed. Toda's their guy. It's Spencer Bledsoe, the young lad, oh, Spencer, Spencer blood. So so it was actually someone there. Before Spencer Bledsoe, Spencer, wasn't Mr. survivor. This is a former missed survivor RC saint-amour I on Twitter. She's very I was very surprised very very shocked that she was the first one. You've are the more your first survivor followed. Before Malcolm and they're on the same season before before, Malcolm. Let's and I couldn't even I was scrolling up. And I couldn't even find the second one. Let me see if I could find it. Really big RC. Stan follow crush on. Our see? That's it. Yes before I joined the streets. Alert my left, I'm scrolling up pretty far. And I can't even like the second one is so far after our see I'm still scrolling. Let's see if we can find it before. Okay. Spent so second, but it was girl. He played like our years later. Mentzer poverty. Three is. Now, Russell Hans. Andrea, rob rob is like the eighth survivor followed on Twitter later on later on. Yeah. That I realize that you've been on Twitter for a minute here. But I missed my ten year Twitter verse ary, I joined January tenth two thousand nine oh, pappy ten minutes, I missed celebrated. I would've had like a good like happy ten year anniversary Twitter. Twitter fan day rub. A your Twitter game has been I'm not gonna say on fleet because filthy might have a bad feeling about it. But you've been killing it, rob. I think my favorite part of the survivor week outside of my rewatch is outside of live tweeting is your clothes captured. That's part of my ritual where I watched I watched the episode getting ready for the know it alls. But then when I do my listen when I go back, and I pull the audio clips from the show, I watch it with the close captioning on and my favorite one this week was where Victoria was talking bad about Aubrey. And she was quoting like that Aubrey keep saying you remind me of myself, and that for some reason the close captioning pick this up as you remind me of patriots. And I tweeted that out and I said of all the insults. These new survivor players Aubrey this has to be the most offensive as your mind patriot. The so many different terrible things that you could say somebody you remind me of the patriots. Yeah. So many options you could go with. Yes. Has anyone had backlash as Melissa from the jeopardy episode hit back as yet? Not yet. Good thing patriots nation, even in my survivor fantasy football WhatsApp group where there was so much patriot talk between Jeremy and Rodney and Brett Lebel like wanting to like weeks after the Super Bowl last week. I was like, hey, how about the patriots? Let's get that patriots taco. And Jeremy just Robak season's over, bro. Did not want to talk about a patriot nation. The off season. Okay. All right. Thank you so much for coming out with us. This was lots of fun. Of course. I'm sure you'll hear a lot from coming up when the live feed updates kick off here in big brother Canada. Should we are we targeting a puja Fridays Fridays? I've got that day booked off on that is the morning that you will be catching me on updates with one cer- Teheran Armstrong. Okay. Beyond the lookout for it. One of the best. When it comes to break it down on the live feed updates with parent on Fridays. You can follow at Julia is almost ten years going strong coming up this September fifth twenty twenty. So Mark the date and time for the big ten year puja on Twitter anniversary where do you find? Do. Something information. Go. Oh, you hover over it. We had a birthday also. Oh, what'd you? Let's see I I didn't work. So that was nice. Yeah. I ended up having lunch with my sister went to a buffet kind of time. It was let's see. So what did I have? It was a lot of everything robe-like jumble. I had a burger, and then there was cake, then the table next to had a birthday and the did the happy birthday. And I thought my sister was doing it to me. So I'm glad she didn't would have been awful. Then I came home watch the challenge and went to bed rather early. Actually, we're the Thurbers made to order or do they just have like burgers out at the befriended out? It was made to order. Yeah. Nice. Nice. Okay. Yeah. Great job. But. But. Thousand nine so I'm almost ten years as well. Okay. It's all it's all happening. What's what's the day? What's the ten year anniversary, April two thousand nine? Okay. We'll we'll be tweeting about April of two thousand and nine probably the Yankees, maybe survivor. I'm not sure go Mark to share. What a what a signing Cashman. Probably like a lot of like Girardi bashing even though they won the World Series this year. I know myself. Okay. All right. So there you have it. Follow at Jordan Calif on Twitter. We've got the wiggle room coming up next so beyond the lookout for that. If you wanna get your wand offs, and we'll be recording that on Monday afternoon. Of course, so many podcasts already up this week. And don't forget to check out the RHA BNB and why Keith lost as well. Over the weekend. Anything else? Good. I had a good time. It was fun. Yeah. Gave you some opposition. Some. Yeah. Yeah. No ops cap. No ops. No offs. Okay. Robin, Akiva need to podcast back this weekend. Also going to record that on Sunday. Go through the bracket of ideas. One idea will make the wheel so beyond the lookout for that in your podcast feed. And thanks again to the patrons of Russia's podcast keeping all of this nonsense going strong here in season, thirty eight of survivor and beyond. 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Dalton Ross on the Oral History of the Dragonz

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Dalton Ross on the Oral History of the Dragonz

"Everybody rob here getting ready to talk with Dalton Ross about his oral history of dragons. Before we get to the show, I wanna take a moment and thank our sponsor for this episode of the podcast. Those our friends over at bet online there is no shortage of action going on with our exclusive partners online dot ag sports are slowly making their way back with the UFC and the boxing and the NASCAR and the soccer, leading the way and been online has all the best odds in lines for the upcoming Games and matches. If you need more and online has simulated. NFL NBA and UFC. Happening everyday life you to check out. Out Looking for something else other than sports online also had hundreds of live Casino Games Poker tournaments, and all the best props in the business visit, but online at AG, or use your mobile device enjoying now to receive your new, welcome honest and start playing today. 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You are very kind to indulge me. in talking about this rob because. This this is This is indulging The this article I mean do twelve thousand words on a a fake band. Yeah, in a jury house is. Probably, a sign of of the quarantine times I guess. Well first off. I think that people should go and check this out. either. Go to Dalton Ross on twitter. W Dot. com, you can read the full article and you will enjoy this podcast even more. If you read the article first, and then we'll do some follow ups on everything from the article, but Dalton, and the thing that. Stood out to me as I read, this was the article is about how this idea for the dragons was born out of the everybody being cooped up and I think it's canvas that Oh. That says in the article towards the end about how she's like. You know it's kind of like how it is now and I was just wondering that was your fascination with the dragons born. Add of going. Stir crazy during the time of the quarantine. Yes and no, so it's it's the back story of it is well. Maybe it's not as interesting as I think it is, but I'll tell you anyway. So about two years ago actually. I was kind of for some reason I don't even know why you know like every these things that every once in a while you just SORTA, go back and watch or think about like Oh go put on this stupid youtube clip. Every once in a while just sort of or maybe I'm reading a recap and somehow comes up over. Maybe. It was you who knows. Maybe it was the the noble ones Ponderosa rap video. I can't remember what it was, but about two years ago. I just started thing about the dragons and I was actually speaking to this. This up and comer in the survivor podcasting world I remember name when we look at home I. Have Stephane First Back, I think yes. Yes, yes, yes, something like that something like that I was talking to that guy and I sort of joked with him about oh I'm GonNa do it all history on the dragons like ha ha, and that was kind of like a joke, but it was half serious wind up. Be like funny if I did that. But then like it's so much work that just kind of like put it away, and then what happened was later I was watching. Micronesia answers favorites with my daughter. WHO's a big fan and watch the racing seasons and smoke? She'd never watched that, so we're watching that and I was like Oh. If I'm going, do moral history. This is what I should do it on Eric, giving away his immunity, and so I kind of did that, and the the best survivor moment ever, and so then after that I was like oh I should now do the best big brother moment ever so I did you know damn funeral and those seem to make sense and they were a lot of fun to put together hard but fun, so did those, and then everyone's like Oh my God. What are you, GonNa do next. But, like dude, like those things are those are a lot of work, and they're fun and I like doing, but it's. It's SORTA consumes. If you're sort of like OCD like I, am and you really want to Go overboard on a project like I tend to do it consumes you. You know what I mean and so I I was just like I can't do I can't do any of these. For a while. I just gotTA. Take a break I. Need a break from doing that. And then the pandemic it right and like It's been a tough year for everyone and I've I've had sort of in particular tough year with a lot of personal stuff I my had to put my father into hospice. My mother-in-law died as I just mentioned you off air. Rob Ago actually. My My stepfather passed away There's been a lot of stuff and it's been tough and I really kind of needed an escape from that. And I knew a lot of other people were sort of stuck in this at the time when I started this article, which is in like march or April literally goes back that far. People were stuck in like pandemic quarantine and everyone at that time was like we could all use something fun like we could all use use something stupid, really stupid and Goofy and fun, which of course naturally led me back to the Dragon, so I guess the question was it wasn't the original idea for it, but it is what finally made me sort of turn the ignition key and started up and get get rolling on it because I did like that's when I finally started placing calls. I think I'd always joke with Courtney. Courtney like at some point. I'M GONNA. Make you talk about this. And then I just started reaching out to people. Yeah, well also just want to say Sorry for everything that you have been going through over these last couple of months that hope hope you're doing okay, and we really appreciate all of the work that you're able to put into this during that hard time. Because this is a really fun piece to go back and take a look at I'm my favorite part of hearing about all these things is. who was hard to nail down that anybody like? Push back on like Adam. Really WanNA. Go there with you or anybody. That was the person that was a request for you to track down. Well, there's a there's one crossover person from the last survivor world history I. Did and that is mad. so before before we get to Amanda everyone else. For for the dragons, portion of it, and we can talk later about the portion of the other. Survivor bands that I sort of touched on. Because they were sort of. We can get into that which was a little interesting notes about that, but as far as the dragons go. Everyone was pretty easy With with two notable exceptions, so Amanda I knew that it would be difficult from going through it with the Eric World History. Amanda was very hard to get a hold of emailed direct message on Instagram I got a number I texted, tried all this stuff and never heard back, and when he did the Eric when I just thought okay well, this is now gonNA. Have to write this down Amanda I've everyone else so too bad. It's it's kind of a bummer, but at least I feel like I could still tell the story. and then out of nowhere like she then emailed me like a month later two months later. Oh, hardly ever checked this Yeah, I'll talk and I got her when I talked to on that piece like her memory was really hazy on the Eric Stuff, but then as we kept going, she warmed up. Your memory gets jogged and she ended up being great, and she's actually really great in that that piece and I'm really thankful that she spoke to me, so the dragons one is interesting. She's obviously not a super instrumental like I could do the story without her I wanted to get her. So very similar rob like I I have her number now because he'd been in community I'm texting her and I'm emailing her and just no word back. And then finally same deal like a month or two later. She's all the sudden just like. Oh, sorry, I hardly ever check this. Account. And she's like I. Really don't remember anything about that and so I text her a few questions. She responded and you'll see in the peace. She's in the piece, but she's barely in the P.. Yeah I mean I think there's three quotes, and she's basically. The quotes are all sort of like I. don't really remember. and and why should she like? She wasn't like you know this wasn't. Her baby wasn't the thing she was living and breathing and dying with it was just something she was sort of a round. Is this goofy thing was happening? Think about like for me. It's like the equivalent of like you went to a party ten years ago. You didn't host the party. but you were at the party and you know you probably had some drinks at the Party and your memories probably will hazy, so she's in there, but she didn't have a lot to say which is sort of clear. And so she she was just the text. Everyone else's on the phone. The one person that I wanted to get. was was probst and that I didn't get yes, when I did get him for the last one. As, you see in the piece. There's just really one section in particular. I wanted to talk to him about where he went out to Ponderosa had session with the dragons, and they all talk about it. And I wanted to get him on, and he's just. He's not doing any press right now. He's sort of you know they're trying to get season forty one on on the books. I guess he's dealing with other stuff and yeah. and. I didn't necessarily. Him It would have been like I needed them for the Eric. Immunity, thing yeah, this one is like I wanted him would have been nice to have them. I want to get his viewpoint of that night. I didn't have to have him, so that was the only guy I really couldn't get you. Bring up Jeffey that was fascinating that part where as one point where Jeff, probst and John Kear hoffer come over and. Survivor, fans know. John, Cure. Hoffer Big Rock Fan that you know all these challenges have like a different punny names for different like musical artists and songs and stuff like that. Of course Jeff probst the former host of rock and roll jeopardy, so he certainly is well-versed in music, but he comes to jam with the dragons and this right. He brings a Didgeridoo. Yeah he did. And I up on cure offer. You're so right. Ever go into challenge. The challenge is the. Site away. Really Outback episode I have that. Stan. I bought I, bought Jeff probst digital. Do want before he used to back in the day on. Remember this Houston blog for he w. we did our QNA's as he blocked. And so every year at the end of the season I. Get something as thank you because he put it in a lot of time into these really long meandering kind of crazy blogs that he would do the really weird. And so at one point I bought him like a folding guitars, guitar lessons like a portable seeing on shark tank, and so I got him that, and what's time? We got him a digital route. 'cause I knew he was really into that, so but anyway care how for your Super Rock? Not only does this challenge names or challenges sometimes named after like rock, bands or songs, but often the lyrics in the tree mail would be excuse me. The words and the treatment would be like rock lyrics that he'd somehow working there and the the challenge office trailers all plastered with like rock posters, so it makes sense that he was there with ropes and probe spotted digital ru with them. and I just heard about the band, and they went out there and they started off playing like Maggie may together and a little live performance for probst. It sounds Super Awkward Like I. Don't know They all seem to have have fun They all seem to have fun that night at least but He's done a few times where he's made. Some sort of pilgrimages out to Ponderosa doesn't happen a lot. And Courtney says and it's Caitlyn more who some nose sort of one of the contestants? Managers and she's in casting. she said they they were really locked down that season they were really lockdown couldn't go out at all and They were just bouncing off the walls. JT, especially, so they sort of sent probst out there to at least give them something to do. Yeah I love the perspective of Caitlin in this article because I feel like that she's sort of like to me. She's like the normal person at the center of this. WHO's like dealing with all of these very extreme personalities, which I guess is a big part of her job of a wrangling all of these different survivor personalities but I really did like to get the perspective of sort of like to me. It was sort of like a Sitcom, and she's like the like the normal person who's like the nucleus with all these like a really wild characters orbiting around her. Yeah I think Caitlin sort of super interesting I love Caitlin. She's great, and she's been through it all so many times and I think that. Whenever you're. You know I can tell you. you know that people from the production side and people from the network side There are certain groups that contestants that they deal with that they they love name last with, and there's other groups that they're just a nightmare. You know what I mean and some. Yeah, there's certain seasons where they'll tell me like oh my God. This group is just like. get me out of here and there's other times like Oh, no, this group was really fun like they were respectful. They weren't divas and they'd like to have fun. And we had a blast, and then clearly was. One of those times is Ponderosa's. Where they had they, they had a blast. They have tons of fun. Yeah, so the article, really breaks down. Somebody who I didn't know was involved with this so Norwood cheek is the segment producer here who is in charge of making the fonder? Rosa stuff and a lot of. His brain child. Yeah, yeah, he he was, he was a he. Background comes in music. He played in bands and he played and he had directed music videos as well like so we can get in the video and a little bit, but and what what was? There's so much I didn't know when I started this piece, and we can get into the whole tribal council situation with coach, a little bit as well which I had no idea I had no idea that. And, but the one thing I found interesting was the origin of the dragons like. Okay I knew that they had played rock band, and that was sort of a joke, and then it became a real band like. You know put real quotes if you want. But what I didn't realize. Is that the whole reason? The raison d'etre that's dragging started was because they wanted to use the footage of them playing rock band in the Ponderosa video series, but couldn't licence the music. So Courtney Courtney singing the. Yeah, yes, and they're like filming it like Oh. Wait, we can't. Play the audio for this because we can't pay the you know hundred thousand dollars or whatever to be licensed by the Yes on, so they said Oh. Let's we'll just create our own music that you can use. As a bed, under that, and then that's how the whole band grew into the Norwood. Basically he writes all the music, and he's on just on his computer on garage band writing the music. And then coaches coming up with the lyrics, and they're all deciding. Who's going to do one part and they're all chiming. You know chiming in and doing stuff. And it's mainly coach, Courtney and jt, but some of the other jury members they came in. They got involved as well. So there is a shared origin story between dragons and Rops podcast where when rob's podcast started that the second microphone on rob is a podcast was also the microphone from Garage Band, so we share that in our humble beginnings. Really, yes, that's awesome out there it is you know it's just a making stars all over the place yeah? The thing that I took away from this and tell me if you had the same thought I. think that for you know. Courtney is very clear that she thought it was a goof. Who was something fun to do? Jt was like you know he was going. Stir crazy. He was bored. I think the coach thought that this was going to be real I think that coach thought that this was going to take off, and the dragons were going to be a like like go on tour and actually be a real band. He totally did. You totally did and. One hundred percent totally did and you know what it's like. Like you and I we we laugh about that. Obviously, because why would you think that and like? How would you think that this like? As he says can barely play five notes, you know. The coach has musical training. Obviously, he's very accomplished when it comes to music, but like Courtney doesn't know what she's doing and like I mean like you know it's like. How could you possibly think that? But this is also? There's a quote from Norwood in the story that I absolutely love. Is that. That's what makes coach so great, and that's what makes the Dragon so great? If all like this goof and a gag, it'd be fun, but the fact that you have that rock and Courtney says well. This rock of like that is taking it so seriously is so invested in. It is what makes it so brilliant, and it's what makes coach so great and so lovable, because he is taken seriously and like he's still does like if when you read that the peace, he says later like he was really bummed out when they came home that they didn't. They didn't set up a few shows like do a mini tour. He wanted to do a mini tour and and guess what we laugh about about I would have bought tickets. Yeah, who wouldn't who wouldn't have if you? They came to your town? The dragons who wouldn't go see that show because it would be brilliant young, and it's still one of the things I most bummed about is that I had set up the only dragons concert, and it seems like a funny line of the piece, but it was absolutely true at the heroes vs villains finale, which was in New York City. I said okay. I did my goofy video show survivor talk at that time, which would've come and go over the years. And I said let's get a dragon's unplugged acoustic performance in my office. He W for the show, and they were all into it and coach, and and jt, and Courtney were all in, and it was a go. And essentially CBS. Put the Kibosh on it, and at the time I couldn't figure out why. And I didn't really get a good reason for why. And I think later. What it was is is I started? Teaching goes oral history and some of the. You know feelings that maybe they were taking this a little, too seriously like with the shirts at tribal council, and and you know coaches. Blow up there and certain things like that that maybe. You know they just sorta wanted to leave the dragons aside and focus on the finale, and not have this goofy fake bands sort of you know, be the focus around the finale time but I. I was super bummed about it I can clearly coach was too because you said it like. He really thought that they could come Outta here with an actual. Musical or at least give it a shot. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Maybe like in another season where maybe it wasn't heroes vs villains and it didn't have. Know as you know epic of. Final three and everything with that maybe they wanted to. Keep the attention focused on the. Task at hand as opposed to promoting the dragons, but I feel like that I really comes through about how serious coach took it with a story that I had never heard before, and I feel like I've heard a lot of these survivor stories over the years. Dragon's gate was huge. My mind was. My mind was blown to any. Oh, it's funny when you do history. Sometimes you talk to people and not everyone remembers everything, and you really have to piece it together, and there's an element of that that required a lot of back and forth from me to figure out that we can get into related to the shirts, but. I never heard the story, and it was like my second or third interview. Someone Kinda just mentioned it offhand like off the cuff. And like what like what? What are you saying happened? and it to fill everyone in I mean hopefully you've guys. Read the story. Already but you know. Yeah, we get to a point where they go to tribal council wearing all black. As a band like you know, we're GONNA. Look like a rock band when we're all black okay. And I guess they tried to wear sunglasses, and probst told them to take them off to which point Courtney said Hey. We don't need your show quote. We got webex odes. Favorite line and the entire article like we got web, odes or something. She actually said to Jeff probst and so. but so they did that, and then the next tribal council, which actually I think was the very next day just because of the weird scheduling of that. They They decided to make these dragons. t shirts these lime green. Super ugly t shirts, and they took a sharpie and wrote the dragons with the. On the shirts and they got they actually Caitlin called ahead and got permission to to wear them, but. My guess is they were still. Hey, they're gonNA. Wear these banned t shirts and we're told how hideously ugly. and Super Distracting and so they put them all on, and they said all right this, is it? We're GONNA wear them. And then they show up at tribal council and productions like yeah, no, you're absolutely not. Are you going on national television? All of you wearing these matching dragons, t shirts with headbands, armbands and like. No your your turn into a joke, this this show is not a joke. What you're doing, maybe a joke, but we're actually trying to be like a semblance of being serious here. Yeah, we've got our mood music. We have the tribe is spoken. We're snuffing torches like we can't have you guys. These goof-balls over there on the jury, which by the way makes total sense. Yeah, totally. I mean. At this point, how many! People are watching the show somewhere like. Ten million, fifteen, million, somehow someway or. Probably somewhere around there, and how many people you know if the web website had even aired at this point? Are Fifty thousand people watching the web sewed like. Apple will be so confused what is going on? Yeah, so they all show up, and then, of course they're like no take those off and the coaches like. Hey, we gotta stand strong. We're going to refuse to go out there. We're going to boycott tribal council unless they wear shirts, so it's all stand strong like all right we're with you, and then, of course they come back like absolutely not you're not wearing them, and basically like okay fine, except for coach. WHO's refuses to to take his shirt off, and this is you know I had many people tell me this? They heard his yell He. All of a sudden, just screamed at the top lungs. And took off, he just left. He just walked into the jungle like just just and had to be chased down by Dave bursts. WHO The at the time was the the? The basically, the number two on the show, or whatever he, he was had to chase him down and convince him to come back, but coach refuse to take his shirt off, which is why if you watch that tribal council? You'll see two things you'll see coach wearing his lime green. The dragons t shirt, and you also see him really bummed out like if you look at him, he's just he's. He's frowning. The whole time is really upset because he's been through this traumatic thing where he was going to boycott, but then they finally relented. And what I what I told piecing together was I was getting different stories on the. What the other jurors ended up wearing and why that was was is because you know Caitlyn's like production had to get them close. Candice's like. Yeah, we didn't bring clothes on purpose. Where like we have no other options, so they basically found crew member close for them to wear except for Courtney, who being Courtney had a backup plan Jan like stuck a shirt in her purse, which is washed with you. Watch that you're seeing coach in his dragon shirt. You're seeing courtney in her regular shirt. But everything else is crew member stuff including jt I mean you look at Jt's wearing his loud read, so he would never wear that in a million years so. That's what happened and literally almost had someone refused to attend. Tribal Council. it's just amazing. I love it. It's just incredible, and that's just the passion of the Dragon slayer. You have to love it. Yeah That's amazing. What's tribal is that? Is that Colby getting out? No that is Danielle that's been getting voted out. I'm pretty sure it could when Courtney. Got Voted out is when they wore the all black. Yes, Danielle was the next night. It's double that yeah. That's that's where that's where it all went down, and it was and they were all. It wasn't just the three you know. Amanda Hat Dragon stuff on like I, said like Candice Header Dragon Stuff on. They were all they were all. You know part of the entourage. For. The people rebel came off of the show. Then that weren't part of the dragons like I bet that the D-. The dragon stuff probably was kind of annoying of that. It was going on like I. I love like on shows where they talk about like like on saved by the bell. If they ever reference the opinions of the other kids at the high school like what they think of like the kids that we see all the time on the like at the center of the show like I think it's like Oh my God again with the band. It's like There was no escaping the dragons. Right now there wasn't and it seems like I people were kind into it, and then as Courtney says like the later it got. You Know Colby Jerry Rupert Although Rupert is on one of the songs. Yeah, he did perform one of the songs, but like for the most part they weren't as. They weren't as as into what they actually were. You know dealing with you know the actual life and other stuff and they didn't need to be part of the band. Right because I'm not sure what day coach goes out, but I mean it's it's early. I mean coaches actually free merged that he gets voted out yeah vs villains. I always thought that was so I never liked that by the way when people on the jury pre merge well. I guess just another reason to hate edge of extinction. The EDGE OF EXTINCTION! Would you like it more? What are they going to get? The instruments rob we're recording material. So true so true and you Wendell which is so great I mean again. What a great punctuation to sort of the the piece that its season forty Ponderosa which obviously we all know is limited Ponderosa series because they were on the edge of extinction, but when he shows up, he sort of does the Noble Sammy Sosa. Line, which is just sort of the perfect button onto this whole sort of weird musical adventure But. Yeah so nice. Call back, but yeah, it's it's coaches board man like they. They had nothing to do and like. And you know JT is wacky. Dude and Courtney is up for a party, so that's just how it started out rained constantly there and Samoa. I really liked some Oh. Went there twice and I. I really enjoyed it, but it's. Like it's not really. bitchy. It's sort of weird like it's very rocky, so there's even what's Nice. It's not like there's. Going to be laying out on the beach all day. They're necessarily. They. They were stuck inside. There wasn't a whole lot to do. They were on lockdown couldn't go on like some of the day trips that often people on Ponderosa get to do so. This is what they came up with. Dalton. Did you make yourself a dragon slayer cocktail at any point during? Quarantine. I'm scared to get welfare. I don't drink. I don't drink liquor. no I I would I would not be if I were going to drink liquor. I would this. I would try the DRAGONSTAR. He stands by it. He swears by it. He says it's claims its world famous. Caitlyn more begs differ I it? Just the whole thing is key. I feel. I love awkward like television meaning like no office and curb your enthusiasm or the Old Dallas G. Show. and so I'm sort of obsessed with awkward situations and I think about going back to that night. Of Jeff Probst, showing up and saying, let's see what you've got. And the dragons. For probst! And I would've loved to have been a fly on the wall in that situation, and just to see what it's like. An Courtney says in her quote that he brought sheet for Maggie. May and they're playing it, but no one really knows the song that well. I I I would love to there, but I probably watching with my hands over my eyes just sorta peeking through my fingers credible. Though good, yeah, while we don't have the recorded, Maggie may version. You were able to uncover several. Believe never heard before tracks of course. Many survivor fans have seen the video for on the dance floor, but you uncovered I believe of would four or five previously unheard dragons tracks. Yeah so it's it's there's five songs that comprised complete. Ponderosa EP ROB, and and you're right that you On the dance for we have the video for that. That's the piece you can watch that. It's brilliant. And then there's four other songs that if you watch the Ponderosa video series. You would have heard little snippets of here and there, but never just the entire performance and one song I'm not sure you've ever heard really in any form at all, and it's all there, so you get you get five choice cuts and we put them all It's all we put on Youtube and we have it all in the article as well, and you can listen to the mall with the Little Dragon slide show. We put together. Of the band in their natural habitat. and. It's Kinda funny because it's all they've tried. All these different genres like one song is dragons. Rap were JT is beat boxing. And Rupert's in there in a man does wrapping song at one point. You heard someone rapping about the big sky. That's Amanda Montana. and then just got the power ballad songs sleigh. which is a classic as well and I may have to pull that up. rob real quickly because that has my favorite dragon lyrics of all time I mean some of the lyrics make no sense I mean like Courtney says it's like written by someone who English as a second language, or sometimes you know you get email from spam person and they're trying to make it seem like it's from here and it's English, but it's clearly not a lot of the lyrics are like that artificial intelligence A. Classic rock videos and this was the lyrics spit out. These lyrics make sense but but I love them This is from Sleigh, which is their power ballad. and I'll just read you two stanzas here. I need to see your face and your love I have to chase I need to feel your breath. Before, face my death and here comes the part I really love. When. You leave I am sad. You cheat on me. And I get mad. Yeah I just I. That's deep stuff I love it. Love it. So the power ballad then you've got some sort of like electro soda pop. You got a few electro pop songs like they're of just all over the map. Yeah amazing. Dalton was there any talk about a reunion in the interviews that you did like a? Is there anything we're getting the band together? It's ten years since the dragons. I, I will say this Norwood and coach. Have talked. Many times through the years about trying to do something. I think that they are now. basking in the glow of the renewed attention on the band. You know as you know. Every great band always comes back right every kid great bands, you you. You can't keep them down so. I I would say that they're probably having some discussions amongst themselves. right now and my hope. Is that at some point soon that the the dragons, not unlike a phoenix resurrected from the ashes. And maybe there's some more more material to to talk about, and of course. I hope that the dragons keep inspiring. More other bands and music come out of Ponderosa's. We have seen over the past. You know certainly ten ten ten seasons, or so well I think that the dragons coach Courtney jt Norwood that if they had some sort of like a fundraiser like I think that they could raise some money for charity and get on Zoom and reunite for a virtual concert I. think that's what the fans are clamoring for. Yeah I, and the question is. It's like sort of like you know. It's like that encore. You're at that concert and you your clapping like you know. They want them to come back out. Sometimes. You GotTa Start Stopping your feet. Sometimes the band's making you work for a little harder. You know what I mean and and you just got to keep Keep clapping clips. Keep Stopping, speak my my sincere hope and my guests. If I were a betting man is that we have not heard the last from the draft all right? It's a good tease. One of the things that the WHO's great was that you also had a little bit of an epilogue with some of the other. survivor ponderosa bands that have tried to follow up and emulate the success of the dragons. Here's one survivor redemption island. You talk about a band. Called Chucho pronouncing that correctly. Yeah, I believe I believe. You are rob Yes yes, okay, tell me show 'cause I had never heard about this either. Neither had I so. I'm sitting there and I'm talking to Norwood Cheek. producer extraordinaire of the dragons. And he mentioned sort of like Oh. You know we tried to. You know sort of rekindle the magic Another season didn't quite work out I had to hold on. Just stop full. Stop right there, sir, what are you talking about? And he's like yeah I know. I think and he couldn't really remember it I, who was in it like I know I think it was and so he. We're piecing it together that basically it was at first. He thought it was the next season survivor Nicaragua telling me WHO's in know. It's Redemption Island during the redemption island season. they did this It was basically I. Guess You know David Murphy. was out. Eventually. You Know Matt elrod Andrew Belqis. I guess. We both voted out twice I guess I believe they both voted out right because he came back from from Redemption Island so whatever they all they all eventually end up there and I guess those three were sort of the partners at that Ponderosa. And, and and the other rest of the jury members were kind of just like going about their thing, but they would stay up late at night at this sort of poolside bar called. And they would have some devies now. At that Sandra, which is also where I did my pre-game interviews for a bunch of seasons so I've been there and there was this. This monkey in this cage that was very active and very loud, and if you're someone like me, who's actually a little scared of monkeys? And incidental my honeymoon that I don't care to address right now. Involving keys that's been a little haunting traumatic, but it it. This thing was like very aggressive and I remember right by where I do my interviews to and I guess they became obsessed with this monkey, and then they recorded a song at some point Norwood was probably talking to them about the dragons and they tried to record. Their well, they did record there on so called monkey in a cage. And it, it's been buried. It's never been released. It's never been heard and I said, nor would you tell me right now? You better have that song. And he did, and he sent it to me, so not only. Do you get to hear the story of them recording this song, but you actually get to hear the song. I don't know if you've listened to it yet. Rob Well. I scrub through it a little bit I I can play some of it if you want. To say this, yeah, you could play. Play play a little Lick from that from that jam. Okay, it's David Murphy. Matt. Andrew All Rapping Aka Y. Yeah. Nash Exactly Andrea Sings the chorus. And I actually think she's got a pretty good voice. Our knee I think she's got a got a pretty some pretty good pipes on. She's very talented. Here's a little bit of a monkey in a cage from Chucho. Our trip that police had the wrong. Twice now about you to. And the Secretary I don't drive. I got my own. Children every day on. So now nothing on syndicate. Beautiful. GRANDPA, yeah. Certainly, is it certainly is rod that was that was Matt elrod I believe they're doing doing. Shuffle of Nice call back. Yeah, it's I was I mean it's really absurd and a little bit sad. How excited I got like when when that popped into my inbox that song, and like I, was just about to hit the play button. It was almost like sort of you know back in the day. When like a new print, song would come home or you know like I've I've losing so excited to press play on shoot show monkey in a cage and now it has been unleashed unto the world. You can hear the whole thing. in the in the dragons. Oral History of we put that one up on Youtube as well. You can check it. Tell me about the. Worlds apart version of the survivor Ponderosa band. Well, this is a America. Remember from the show, they named the tribe. America for better or for worse that was the tribe name, and not apparently spilled over into Ponderosa as well. and. This was this was started. Haley Ford who had a guitar, and is a musician and a singer and I guess she started this band with with with Joe. Joey amazing. I hesitate to even say his name because I'm worried. Stephen Fishbach is just gonNA, start having PTSD, but Joey amazing, and and and Haley sort of started this as more people got voted out, they sort of. Came together to record this song and more importantly. Record a video song America America, which features some of the lyrics America is wear a worlds apart three worlds one heart. God blessed tribe America Yeah Now. This is the new now that shoe show has been released, and all the dragons catalog has been released. This is the new holy grail of Ponderosa bands. I got in touch with the. What we think happened here is basically essentially after talking to some of the parties the guilty parties involved as it were. They said that the director of Ponderosa at the time. was, not so not so keen on this entire concept worried that Maybe he want to disassociate himself a little bit different. For America. Yeah I believe that may be the case rob. So, I think it was SORTA buried. I did reach out to this individual and I did not hear back. So the one. The one frustration of this article is that I could not provide the world. Exclusive worldwide debut of America about the band and the song. It's still out there somewhere. I assume Unfortunately we'll never know yeah, but but you know they all they all all the parties involved are pretty clear that it is not good, Blanca. I talked to a few of them. Read and Haley. But they they knew what they were doing. And you can see some of the pictures that we put in the piece. You've probably seen maybe on social media before from the from the dirty thirty that you know, but they were having fun just goofing off and they were Ponderosa, and they're stuck around. Let's make a goofy song and music video and and that they did. Did Yeah, and then you also touch on the noble one Ponderosa from Kris Noble, and I think that why why that one works is that think that the other ones were trying to be the dragons, and then the Chris no bowl is just a a solo piece, which I think that's sort of like. broke away from like. Hey, we are a survivor Ponderosa supergroup. I love it so much raw. Yeah, like I. Love I love it so much. I love the noble one just in general I love the noble one, and then his rap video and song is so amazing it's. Also. To your point when I talked to. Ponderosa director. James Seal He. He wasn't even aware of the dragons, and that's probably why it's so great like he didn't even know that like. Hey, you know at that point whatever it was sixteen seasons ago. There was this whole other band that did a video and this and that he had no clue. And he just heard that like you know Chris gets off. He gets voted out and he's sort of talks about how you know wrapping a lot on the show, and that'll probably make it on the thing. He's like What if that's going to be a thing on the show? Why don't we play it off it? And, they just literally went in. They bought a beat online like I. Guess You can do that and And then record this video I think they did it in two days. I think yeah, and it's just. It's so genius just because like like. They just hit all the perfect sort of cliche. the SH shot locations like he's getting the massage. She's on the raft. He's on the Jet Ski. He's an in a helicopter. You know just a big baller. It's just it's so funny and the fact that Chris is able to sort of he's clearly in on the joke, and he's clearly like laughing at himself. The slow motion shot under the waterfall where he dips his glasses down. I mean that's your money right there. It's so fricking funny I absolutely love it and it's just sort of I. Honestly I don't know how you top it. I don't think you can. I think it needs to go away the music video for at least five years. But it's great to is because well. It's all a joke. The noble one took it very seriously, which is clear when I spoke to him about it recently like he took it. You know and you to for it to be funny. He has to take it seriously and. It's now you know. The the classic line when you know it's like. Sammy Sosa it's just like we all know it, and also it's just so great, and it's living on a dream on Ponderosa swung is I call a savvy Sosa. It's idiot and silly, but it's also genius and an incredible. Yeah, it's all the through line. Here is of when it works, versus when it doesn't work is Kris Noble coach like both felt like okay. This is serious. This is this isn't a joke. This is this is actually really good. This is gonNA. Be a big hit, and I think that the ones like when we get to worlds apart everybody, there is like okay well. They didn't think that this is going to be real. This is Joe Right. We're goofing off. and so that's why it doesn't work. Somebody has to be buying in that. This is serious. Absolutely absolutely and it's just I. It's just. It's so. That's why. There's the shot coach on the on the dance floor video. What is on the rocks and the shirt is wide open and like the the breeze. It's not just wide open. It's like they've ten fan machines around them. Because it's, it's flapping in the breeze and he's flexing. It's like, but he's he's. He's not parroting something he's living at. He's feeling. He's an body at he is the dragon slayer. Iron is sharpening iron in this music video, and that's why it's so perfect. Okay Dalton I have to ask. Do you have any other ideas for another oral history that are percolating? I, I will say what I send out a tweet the night before. You know I'm to have something dropping tomorrow and other oral history, and of course everyone was sending their guesses or ideas and one person says a joke, but I actually kind of. Thought. It was brilliant. Was An involves coach, doing an oral history of on the Jack and Jill movie reward. Because people that have read my recaps. No I've been obsessed with that for years. I'm always obsessed with Big Brother or survivor movie or TV show Premiere Awards because they're usually terrible like Gulliver's travels on all these terrible things, but yet the contestants have act like they're great, because it's brought in like it's literally sold that contestant will complement the movie and the contestants. No, Hey, this is a way for me to score a little extra screen time. I'll just say how much I love Applebee's. Or how M-? How great this this Jack and Jill movie is. Incredible these you know tootsie rolls is whatever the product placement is I encourage every island. There's nothing I love more. If you can get on survivor, all I want you to do is whenever you sniff out. Product placement, just be so insanely a few sive about it, because I literally just inject that right into my veins i. Like these survivor thirty nights applebee's for instance. At my favorite I mean Krishna I mean cast Krishna on every single season as far as I'm concerned just for that because that was. An absolutely incredible. Yeah, I know. How? I want everyone to do it. I mean everyone to do it. It's so so good. What's Super Applebee's to is is like those are survivor like producers and crew members pretending to be the apple. That's mill house from the challenge. Department sends an Applebee's uniform on. And then the contestants have seen mill house at all the challenges as you know they, they walk around before the challenge they do a through probst and cure offering millhauser, all there and all of a sudden here's mill, Alston and Applebee's uniform. It's brilliant. All Right Dalton. Well. Can I ask you real quick about You had written an article recently about a big brother, all stars and the possibilities of at that that could be now. That is just the rumor right? That is not a efficient corroborated by CBS. I. I know I know that they are looking. To stage a big brother Yeah They're still trying to get survive on I. Know that they're talking to returning players They will not officially say that, but that is. That is happening now. WHAT EXACT FORM TAKES! We'll see and you know I think rob you and I probably knowing the way this works I mean on one hand. Big Brother completely makes sense as the first show to come back in quarantine. It is a show based on quarantine, and you literally are separating contestants. From the rest of the world, and that even includes for the most part, the crew, who they are the cameras, or either remotely set, or there's camera people behind mirrors. Diary rooms or done through a wall like on one hand. This should be easy. on the other hand there are still logistical hurdles that would have to be cleared You know the challenges in the backyard. Like how how how are you gonNA mass disinfect those things after setup, and there are people in the backyard. You know saying those up other times. People might have to go in the house. Did you think I mean? Mean you can, you can tailor that stuff somewhat but you have to quarantine the cast and the crew for for two weeks before they even enter the house. So that's that's usually they're quarantine for more like I forget what it is right, maybe four or five days or something in a hotel or they go in, but it's. It's not two weeks. And then how there are other certain situations. But here's also another thing. There's also the crew y'all. How do you deal with the crew? Even if the cruise not interacting with the cast, the crew can infect each other. Can you set that all up? Have Remote workstations that can be set up and fine, but here's the other thing you need to think about. What about the outside world? I go back to what happened in two thousand one right after nine eleven, and it was season, two and Monica nine eleven happened to Monica had a cousin who was. WH-. Who was the? Her body at that time had not been located and they had to. And of course they did this so tacky, but of course they did this on air. They showed this all on air. Poor taste they they. They explain to Monica, okay. Basically planes going in the world trade. Center. We can't find your cousin. which is not. Great no I mean. Let's just say that you can keep this cast. Stay safe. You can keep the crew safe. We've already seen in some states with that have reopened numbers going back up. What happens if you get a cast in there? And, a loved one bears gets really sick. You know what happens when that happens. You know what happens if okay, we figure out a system and we can have the crew working in this and have three crew members and at a time, but there'll be six feet apart, but what happens if situation gets worse than you have to. Just you know what what happened with the amazing race where three weeks into it or whatever you legs into what they had to stop the middle of the season. So. I I'd be interested here. Hear your take, but there's much more logistics even outside of the the players and the crew. Yeah, we'll just go back to the big brother. To example. There was a long period of time that they waited. They even had told them about I mean there was a period of time where basically those three apple in the Big Brother House at that point, we're the only people in the. United States that did not know about nine eleven so there was like a big question. People were upset that they hadn't told them. Where I forget how long it was before they actually went ahead and let them know about that. I think it was at least twenty four hours and and and multiply that rob. 'cause listen nine eleven took place in New York and DC where just time where people remotely had a chance of you know your? Dying, but this is the pandemic. That is touching every corner of the country. What you're going to let people sitting there and not know about it. Yeah, I do think that you would probably have to, and I don't know why this would be a problematic for the production of let people you know. Do do a check in with with everybody back home you know. Is that going to affect the game like? Is it going to give them a little more reassurance? Reassurance about what's happening at home that they wouldn't have otherwise maybe, but who cares so. Let let people like get that phone. Call from home. You know a a couple of times a week and make sure everything is everything's. Okay and if anybody has to walk away, they have they have to walk away. But you know hopefully fingers crossed like nothing like that would end up happening, but I think that the peace of mind would go a long way. I agree and they'd have to do something like that whether it's a hey i. don't think they'd allow live phone call. In case, something blurted something out, but probably just like hey, recorded message I'm just GonNa make this up. Okay? Yeah, Hey, we're. We're bringing back Josh. Martinez You know Josh's family members. Every three days every week. Whatever it is, leave him a message. We'll check it. Make sure you're not saying anything that's going to tip off. Hey, this guy's got a secret power, and then we'll deliver it to him, so yeah, either that or an email just something I can't imagine that they wouldn't do that because you go in that house, you will you have to know your family and loved? Ones are safe. I mean rob. You wouldn't do it right. You wouldn't go in there and no like have your wife and family would be completely cut off from the environment like I can't imagine anyone would have been quarantined with them for the last couple of months. Dolphins yeah exactly. I'd explore. They could just call production every day and then. Hey, really good at home. Yes, in and everything's everything's fine so. Be Able to pass on any sort of information like that, but we'll see. It would be very exciting if we could get a you know some of these productions back up and running. Yeah, it's it's just what's so hard. Is that things keep moving and things? Keep Changing I mean. Let's just talk about this a little bit. What do you do if you said big brother and motion and everything happening in the country? You know after George Floyd. Ju Do not let's let's. Let's say that pandemic it never happened and and and you have all these this protesting happening out there and all these big changes in a lot of terrible events happening. Would they have told anyone in the house about that? I guess not, but now like like. What are you keeping from people? It's really difficult that there's so much happening even beyond the the Cove nineteen front yeah. All good questions to be talking about as we head into hopefully, some of these shows coming back. I know that you're so tapped in with everything with entertainment weekly that in terms of scripted shows. Do you know if scripted television is going to be coming back anytime soon the next couple of months. They just came out with some guidelines for filming and You know okay. There's a certain zones and they'll be certain people that are in zone one, and they have more access to do different things zone to are going to be more sort of like have to stay on the fringes little bit zone three. It'll be on the outside, so they've all these weird zone like that. They're working out. You know I've been on sets before Robin I how they're going to do it. I really don't know how they're gonNA. Do it responsibly There's so many people working on a set it all time as you know, everyone can figure out not just the actors and stuff, but you know the the lighting, and then the the props, and the the the sound, and all this stuff and I just unless everyone on every production is in a bubble for two weeks and less. No one's going home to be with their family and their family members are going to the supermarket. We're seeing other people I just I. Don't know how this works. I really don't. It's a whole thing with society where. You know the economy is terrible and and unemployment is going way up and people out of work, and that's terrible were trying to find a way as a society to you know. Get people back so they can put food on the table. But how do we do that? In a responsible manner where we're not killing people at the same time, and that's the push pull. We're having in our country, and and the entertainment industry is is just like that right like. People we think about the big stars, but think about the the guy who's holding the boom mic up and he's out of work, and he needs to provide for his family and I'm not saying that they should go back and production. I'm giving that that side of it, and the other side of it is yeah, but what if he goes back and then you know he gets. He gets sick and he passes it onto his his father, who's living with them? And then he dies. It's there's no good answer for it. I don't know what they're gonNA. Do they're all trying to figure out a roadmap? To getting back productions back. moving, but It's almost one of these things like. They're gonNa what ha listen. That bubble's GONNA be Pierce because it's not even really a bubble and we're talking about scripted shows now make show you want to Swat. Show like what what happens. When someone on swap gets sick and that person you realize he's sick after he's been working on set for two days. What like what happens you? It's the same thing in sports right like that. They're gonNA have with football Robin I. That's been on your my mind with the rotten coconuts. you know like? How do you manage that once? A few players get sick to shut down the whole team. You shut down the whole production of Swat God forbid so i. don't know how they're going to do it. I know that they're coming up with a plan for it. I just don't. I just don't know how how sustainable it is. Yeah I think that testing is going to have to go hand in hand with whatever they're going to do and I. Don't know if in like. A on the set of a production where every single person has to be submitted to. Testing and for and for how often do you have to ramp up the testing? If anybody if you have a positive case I'm sure it's all. Hand in hand, but. Great questions that we're all wrestling with right now. No you're right. Testing is a huge part of it and I. Can they afford to like and we'll? They have tested test everyone on in the crew every single day and I mean. How often are you getting the how quickly you're getting? Those test results and it's beyond it's GonNa, be temperature check. We all know that they can say. We're doing temperature checks. But a temperature check you. If you're ASEM dramatic or just have not developed symptoms yet is temperature checks only going to so much, so you could test someone and then I? I just had my first Kovic test last. Wednesday and I got the results back Saturday morning, which was actually you know. Raise those coming down to Washington to be here so. You know. You need immediate results from your test because you can get tested, but unless you're getting tested every day, you can still contract something I. Don't know it's a it's A. It's a mess and you know we all want programming back. But you know. How's it going to be done responsibly? Well? Hey, man, and obviously this also goes hand in hand with when the vaccine is GonNa. Come around when drug testing come around and I'm way out of my league talking about any of these topics because I'm. Not a sign? and. Try and solid science. Brings US back to why you might have wanted to do a deep dive into a Ponderosa rock band from ten years I've. Got GotTA. Say Listen I've been injecting disinfectant my body and I feel great like I feel like a million bucks so now. That's obviously a joke. Please don't don't do that. Yeah. All right well Dalton, thank you for spending so much time with us today. They have a lot going on so I. always appreciate it. I! I really appreciate rob. It's fun to talk about It's fun writing these stories but I honestly also have a lot of fun talking with you about it like. You know. Oral history. doral history of of of the oral history I appreciate everything. You know talking to you and everything. You've been doing as well so I! Hope we get to to talk soon. Okay all right of course. Checkout Dalton Ross on twitter. Everything that he is going on with E. W. of course, checkout e w live on Sirius. Xm Channel One. Oh Nine! Alton. I think I think you've covered it man I. Think you and I are in the same boat were like trying to come up with creative ways to do things like You know what what you've been doing with the podcast trying to story and like hopefully we will have to be less creative soon once all this stuff comes out. Okay. Well, let's just to. Show you. How creative were being that coming up next? Believe the next podcast. We're GONNA have for you. Is that your friend and mine? Mike Bloom of parade dot com that he has this he when we were raising money for P., p. for doctors and nurses with direct relief's dot org, That we'd reached I. Think Twenty One thousand dollars raise and Mike Bloom had said hey, if it gets to twenty three thousand dollars I, will get a survivor tattoo. Put on my body. We pass that threshold and the next podcast we're working on. Is the selection show where we're going to narrow the field of Mike? Bloom survivor tattoos down to the field of twenty. Do we get any say on the placement of where the go raises some more money. Can we decide like going tramp stamps? because. We'll talk about that all with, Mike, Lynch Face Tattoo. How much for a face tattoo? Like Hi, do we have to get? To get like a tattoo right on the face I. Don't know we'll we'll. We'll find out I believe that. A Mike's wife Angela does have veto power. She has the power of veto. On on anything, so we have to get her on board I so. I. Don't I don't? I don't either I'm out of Tattoo, but this all came up out of Denise's enduring like Oh tattoos. I I know I know I just I'm I'm way to fickle like I'll just I would get a tattoo in like a year later I'd be regretting attached you wages too neurotic like have something on my body permanently. You know what I mean. Yeah, I feel like that. I changed. My taste I feel like maybe like my kids names I. Think the only thing that's because I. think that I'll always liked them. I think that I won't change my opinion. They haven't they haven't gotten to the New Jersey I. Don't be so sure about that. Having I've lived through that twice, so don't worry about that. I feel like I'm the guy like back in the ninety s like. The regrettable like barbed wire around the the biceps. You know what I mean like I would have done something or would have gotten like just a really bad like band logo. To or something, but dragons now that's one I wouldn't regret. Regret. I? Head coach Gotten Ian's. Tattooed across his chest and you know, what could they do? I'm worried for my I'm honestly very worried for my I love. The money raised otherwise word for him and because of that. I really am just putting it out there that I think location needs to be discussed. It's all listen I've sound like a real estate agent, but location location location rob. Yeah, that's what it's all about and I think some serious thought needs to get into the place in the. We're GONNA put okay well. Maybe A in your on or maybe the dragons logo should be thrown into the mix for the Mike Balloon I do I. Think I think it absolutely should date right above the small of the back of possible. Yes, I'll see if I can rip it off of one of those green t shirts. That coach wanted to wear Aright, please do thank you so much this was. With great! Thanks everybody for listening. Good one by.

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Randy Bailey Recaps Episode 6 of Survivor: David vs. Goliath

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Randy Bailey Recaps Episode 6 of Survivor: David vs. Goliath

"Yeah. Gummy live from my apartment. It's rob has podcasts. And now, here's the guy who says, hey, if you think sitting next to napalm Natalie at the finale as awkward dry sitting in between Richard hatch and sue hawk I'm rob sister. Nino everybody welcome back to rob has podcast here. We are final week before the survivor merge of survivor, David versus Goliath, and we're going to be talking with my great friend. Randy Bailey today on the podcasts. We've got a recap podcast coming for Mr. Randy Bailey. No feedback show for Randy. We are back talking Randy here on the recap show. And I know that Randy and I have gotten off on the wrong foot. So many different times probably who knows six seven eight times. And he's gotten so mad, and he's hung up the phone on me. And it's so embarrassed. Thing every time it happens. I hope it's my great hope today that we'll be able to get through this call without Randy getting upset with me. 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And I'll keep you guys updated on how Nicole are doing when we take on this. The serial killer are I'm very excited to bring our next guest back to the podcast. He is a two-time survivor and one of my all time favorites and one of the greatest people to talk about survivor. Please welcome my great friend. Randy bailey. Randy. How are you? They were of of shucks that introduction. Yes. Yes. Randy of very excited to catch up. How have you been? I'm I'm doing wonderful still teaching. Yeah. Still teaching and you know watching TV about it. How is your Halloween? I all I did was watched -vivor cook a steak and locked the door to phone off. The it was a great Halloween. And did you dress up at the school? No, no, no. I didn't. What was the we asked last Halloween costume? You wore shoot. I don't even think. When I heard maybe fourth grade, I started just as as a Hobo every year. Just just get a pair of ripped up jeans. And I never really was a big Halloween guy. Really embarrassed to say this. I I don't know. I think my mom had something to do with it. I win is a girl in like second grade is interesting. Yes. She really twisted me. So. Lucky? I turned out as good as I did. Brandy fell much to explore. But let's let's just catch up a little bit on the survivor. David versus Goliath. I follow you on Twitter. You seem like you been following the season very closely. I have I actually actually I've been watching my my normal routine is to try to wash as much as I can before I start drinking. And usually in the first fifteen minutes, something will happen. It'll piss me off. So I have I have to start drinking early. And then the last half episode. I'm tweeting tonight tweeting. Yes. Yeah. It's a blurred in zone you. I wouldn't win. When we decided I was doing this podcast with you. I went and did a rewatch this past weekend of all the episodes and isn't great season. I had I had no idea was such a good season. There was I probably saw half of it. Because in the first like, I said in I five minutes, something inevitably will happen. Like Probst will uses his stupid voice like wanted to know what you play in four or how he changes his voice. Loved ones challenge. It's like this is all about. I love or the or they'll have Sirri, you know, go cross a balance beam and Trump playing or Donovan diving down repeat something last episode. We talked about was the Donald episode. Yeah. The to our ghost island premier lush. It has it's been that long man WR. Anyway, I'm glad. I'm doing this because I've got an appreciation for the series this this this season. It's a great season nutty characters. Yeah. Good. Well, I'm excited to get into all of this with you last night. We saw Lear being the last person voted out before the merge any thoughts on Lear. So Randy her I was I was I was okay with her the entire season. I wasn't high honor wasn't. I didn't dislike her I didn't love her. But when it got to her final words, I fell in love with her instantly. So let me play leases. Final words. I know you wanted to talk about here. His final words on her way out the door. Socks to lose to be honest. I'm really really said that I will have to sit next to this Natalie up, and I have to go with her right out to you like that. Oh, beautiful. I wish I wish I'd done that. Yes. I wish I wish I had thought of it which about not wanting to sit next to people at the reunion as well as Ponderosa in good bone to Ponderosa. There were only people there that I liked in. Here's villains that wasn't the case. But. But does to a great character kind of a lovey accent? And I think it was a mistake. Get rid of her. Yeah. Why do you think it was in the stake to get rid of her right before the merge, no threat at all? So who was it a mistake for because there's only four people that were in that tribal council last night. So who do you think made an error think the Rockstars have stronger bond been? Than than we think. I think the rock I think Mike iniquity planned before the Natalie boot that was next I figured it was kind of a Quim pro quo kinda deal saying, you know, you give us Natalie this time, and we will take Lear next week in. But I was I was fooled last night with the I thought I thought Angelina was going home. Okay. So you like that that Mike, and Nick they're sort of the power brokers there, and they made the wrong move bringing Angelina to the merge rather than Lear. Now, I'm interested in talking to this through because I kind of feel like that Lisa. And I know that she was compared a lot to Sandra in the preseason. But I almost feel like that say if she gets to the merge, I mean lear- sup a pencil her and she's in the final five just just like Gabby. Yeah. You heard it here. First Gabby is going to the end and Gabby gets one vote. One one vote from Christian. Okay. Just one vote you heard, and I want you to write that down. Write it down everybody. Gabby one vote finalists in her one vote is Christian and alarm cover too much too fast. But I did a rewatch today. So I could try to intelligently talk about the episode and Allison had a winner. Senate written all over her. Okay. I did not notice it the first time. But the second time that my rewatch. My money's on her. Okay. So we got so much going on here. All right. Let's let's let's stick with the with Mike and with Nick first. And then we'll go in. We'll explore everything that's going on with that green tribe. So so please make sure we go back. We've a dedicate at least fifteen minutes on Natalie. Okay. I'm I'm so disappointed that I was not the guest. Natalie's booth. Could have the podcast would still be going. We'll get to it. We'll guess what? I don't have anywhere else to go today. When do I? Okay. All right. So stick with me on on Mike, Nick. So so why why do you think that they made the wrong decision then to bring Angelina with them? I don't know who said it. But Nick said it, I think Nick said it on the tribal council wrong decision. One person's wrong decision is somebody else's right decision. And I think as much as Mike was annoyed by Natalie going back to last week. I think that was a bad decision. Yeah. And I know how tough it is to do when you're looking at someone that you can't stand and voting out somebody like over somebody can't stand. I mean, I was never able to do it. So I see where he's coming from. But that was that was not a mistake for Nick. But that was a huge mistake for Mike. Yeah. Unless Mike and Nick have a final to deal, which they may have I don't know. Now, let me say for devil's advocate. I'm sure that Angelina is saying somewhere. What are you talking about that Mike in Nick made a bad decision? I made the decision that we're voting out Lear saw. And I got those guys to vote outlier. So will if if Mike Nick led her to believe that she was making the call. You know, it's good way to play. Do you think that Mike played this round scared where that he should that? He should've voted out Angelina. But he was afraid about what the other goliaths. We're going to think when they got to the merch. Yeah. I think so. But I like my test says confessional in this in this episode. He's he he's already aware that he's he's in trouble. He's put a target on his back by getting rid of Natalie. And who else get rid of forgot Natalia right in the tell you. So he's got he's got an uphill battle for. Sure. Certainly. And I I love I don't wanna sound like T bird. I was going to say I love. I love Angelina. But I do like Angelina. I thought her move voting for Lisa last week. And I hope I'm not getting ahead of myself. Yeah. Asia lean is not gonna win this game. Obvious. But in fact, I bet she doesn't have three weeks left. Yeah. But I've she's smart she strategic. She's just not real savvy with the way things. No one is playing their first time you've got to. I've got to. I say this every time I come on the show. You've you gotta play the show. You've got to play the game. You gotta watch it on TV. And then let it settle. And then you kinda understand what's going on with any newbie season. They think they think they got it. But they don't could you go on a little bit more about what you like about Angelina you like her as a character or you feel like that. She is a good game player who the circumstance turned against her. I think she's. I was I was talking specifically about jacket trying to get Natalie's jacket. The vote. She threw for Lisa that was just hilarious. I don't I don't ever remember that happening. Do you respect them move? Is that something that you would have tried to have done while I was thinking about that because every season gets cold? And I was thinking about it. I remember when we voted out, Dan, he was wearing a full suit. In thought never even crossed our mind to to cannibalize his his wardrobe. So, but you know, great move. Do you think that jacket gate has changed the game in some way in that you think inspire thirty eight has already been filmed? So, but do you think that come to survivor thirty nine do, you think that's survivors will then give articles of clothing away to the people that they like when they get voted out sort of like see this wool hat. It's not for you. Randy. I'm giving Jim. Yeah. I think I think this is going to start a new trend. Okay. Do we like it? I do I love it. People are people are. Are you going to mate or wanna wanna go on the show wearing just to Speedo so voted out? Exactly. Yeah. I was I was thinking back to to to go up to the bone and Charlie was savvy enough about the game. He he wore to t under his his suit is coat and tie. And he even gave one to me. Yeah. When when you got voted out. No, no. When. Early in the game. When we switch tribes on his tribe. And I was freezing put me in stupid Hawaiian shirt that was like silk. Yeah. And which was freezing and Charlie stepped up and said, hey, I got an extra t shirt. You're welcome to use it which I did for the rest of the. Yeah. Thirty days or whatever. Now, do you feel like that what Angelina did though with trying to get the jacket? Do you feel like did? She expose herself too much in terms of that we saw Nick talknet last night. Boy, she's willing to do this for jacket. What is she willing to do for a million dollars? Yeah. And you know, that I think the producers saw that this jacket thing was just going to be pure gold. And every every confessional. They were quizzing. Everybody about it. And planning your thoughts in their has much like cookie gate in my season. You know? Actual actuality. The cookie thing happened, and it was done. And it would have never been brought up again if it wasn't for the producers just hammered at everybody. But isn't that their job? Yes. Their job, and they do a great job. And they did a great job with the jacket thing. It was it was beautiful. I mean, everybody did a great job with the jacket thing of age. Alita did Natalie was perfect. It was it was great. Can I ask you a little bit about Natalie? Do you see any of yourself in Natalie way? What Natalie is a big character? And obviously she had her issues with getting along with some of the other people in the tribe with somebody that you felt like you could relate to watching the show. I don't think one molecule of my being relates to anything about Natalie and to correct you got along fine with everybody into bone with the exception of sugar and in crystal. So no, don't go there. Rob zoar? I don't go there. I think a lot of fun on the show. Okay. You change the subject Alaoui don't think she was fun too. Oh, she was a blast. I I wish she was still there. But I mean, it was amazing. How many survivors have they been has there been in twenty years six hundred. No, not that many. I think it's in the hi four hundred. I was trying to figure that out with the other day, and I gave out a number which was incorrect that was like the total number of play of the people that have been on seasons. But a lot of them like two times in three timers. So I think the number somewhere in the four hundreds if I had to rank them, let's say there's four hundred fifty total. Yeah. I would rank Bob Crowley, four ninety eight. Four ninety four fifty. No, I'm a math teacher. Yeah. I'm sorry. Four forty eight. Thank you for the correction rally would be four forty eight Melissa dolt McNulty would be four forty nine who who went out to Fiji and then did not play the game and Natalie wood before fifty do the yours player. Yes. Ever terrible challenges. I mean, I was thinking you're Seinfeld fan. Do you? Remember that episode where George decides that every instinct p has is wrong. The opposite must be the correct one. Yes, that's Natalie everything she does is the exact opposite of the creek thing to do. Remember the girl in the bars. And Jerry says go go introduce yourself with. He says, you know, so walks up there, and he says, hi, my name's George. I'm unemployed bald in live with my parents. Yeah. Like, hi. My uncle works for the Yankees you wanna job. So I disagree. I can't I can't see that Natalie lasted five episodes. How could she be the worst Randy? She only went to one joint to to tribal councils one of which she was voted out at and the only reason she was onto the I was because Jeremy was so good. If the game Germany was so good that they had to get rid of him because he was such a threat because he was threat. Yeah. He was I really liked Jeremy to it's a shame to see him goes Orly. He was he was going to be great again. I hate to keep sending t-bird, but I do with the exception of Natalie. I like all these guys. Well, I'm not a big Christian fan. We'll get to that later. Well, well, what did Natalie? Do that rubbed? You the wrong way so much you my my father told me long time ago that you never have to tell anybody. How how rich you are? How smart you are let it you are because if they're worth it they'll find out of their own, right? And that is not something Natalie lives by. You know, everything touch turns to gold. It's just was tired of it. I've known lots of people like that. And I say women like that. I should. Completely delusional carried her delusion into into all of our exit press. I'm like, I I usually don't even follow exit presser exit interviews of anybody because I don't have time, but I had the tune into a lot of hers and she still denial. And it's amazing. She'll go to her grave thinking, you know, she was the only one that was incredible. Let me go back. And you know, I liked to take a look at what the what the guests are talking about before. We do the podcast, and I saw Tober ten three and YouTube it not sure if Natalie is my favorite player of all time, or I hate her so much I wanna see her taking away with life threatening injuries in the chopper, whatever it is. I can't wait to see. What is next from? And then you used a I'm not sure if this is her at at at at NC, coal our weekly hashtags, David versus Goliath, hashtag survivor. I think this is different. Twitter. Maybe this, isn't it? That's an old Twitter handle. So what you've landed on the side that you don't like her. It seemed like you were up in the air. It's definitely the latter. I'm no longer up in the. The medivac with injuries is. Cheek. You don't wish you wish ill will. Now, not allowed even the people that you played with as far as you know. I don't. Yes. Yes. But so so what was it between the first episode now that you felt like that she was too high on herself way too high. I mean, I've never, you know, we've all seen coach and we've all seen Chris Chris noble Kris noble, but no one has been so unaware. Coach last laughs at himself and sodas, Kris noble filled shepherds, we we've seen those. But nobody I mean, I listened to your your interview with Natalie. I'm sorry or I did something wrong is not part of her vocabulary. Yeah. That she she she didn't own her failure here enough in the season. Obviously she and she still has it has been. What's it been like nine months into the show? I thought she was great on the exit interview. Randy she she was great because she was just as entertaining because he was just as delusional. She's always been and amp thinking she had me cranking up the whole time Randy. But you were laughing at her with our with our Randy, okay? I'm thinking issue going to be brought back a second time proud of thing. Yes. I think I think she will. But you know, I asked myself why? Because if she's if she's if she's the same character, we're gonna get the same result. And it'll be a funny month, and it'll be over with if she changes people are going to buy it. And she's I hope she comes back. Yeah. What do you do if you're somebody somebody like that where you sort of have become a breakout character? Yes. According to you. I am somebody like that. Didn't you? Okay. Well, okay. Let me let me phrase that original question a different a different way. So you played in good bone and had at least the personal to the viewer. Okay. That raid here's Randi as this character. Do you feel like that? Is it the right move to really embrace that on the second time out or do you try to correct that perception and then play differently? The second time out probably. You know, I didn't have to correct much because I knew a whole I'm in a whole lot of people in season twenty. I knew him pretty well. Do you know coach Tyson? Of. More than that. I knew half of at least in and they all knew I wasn't Kubota. Randy. And I wasn't even good bone. Randy. When I was good bone Rady. If that makes sense and now, I'm sounding like Manley. All right. Let's let's talk about this this other green tribe that t- t tribe that I know you're dying to tell me about Dr Alison because she has been somebody that she's really been painted with the invisible, Dr Alycia lane purple Allison. And so you're the first person that I've heard say, hey, no, this is going to be the winner of the season. Well, you know, she she has had that one scene last night with with Gabby. And if you watch it again, carefully, you might come up with the same conclusion that I had. I mean, everything she said was just sounded like a doctor it sound as the only thing wanna against her. She's a doctor, but she just her thoughts were so well thought out in in. On the first one this this predicted or I mean, she she had anywhere she has bit. Well, that'll make me a superstar. She wins. She had a even at her. Even her moment on the very first episode where the first ten minutes of the show when they're on the boat. And it's revealed that she's a doctor. I thought I thought she did a beautiful job of downplaying the she. Made big six figures of year was physician. She thought it was perfect. So. We've we've heard no one say, let's get the rich doctor out. Right. So last night, we saw Gabby talking to her and Gaby Poulter aside and said, hey, you know, I feel like that. This club with the broach os, and you're dealing with a person that's reached out to me, and we need to blindside, Dan. And she talked about how he has this ideal. When I watched the episode back again this morning, I noticed that like the cheap parcel what she said a little bit where I kind of felt like this was going to be leading to a blind side of Dan in episode, but but she to. Yeah, then. But then she sits I'm good to go along with the, you know, Dan in John thing until it's time to blindside, Dan. Which may be does not mean that she was on board for an imminent blindsided. Dan, right. And it was clear that the Dan is being set up. You know, he was saying I've played a perfect game. I've got to idols in my pocket. You know that translated I have to idols in my pocket. I've played a perfect game. That means that means I have three six days left. Randy one of the chances that one of Dan's idols is going to go styling. Oh, you mean the future ghost island? Yes. Yes. You Randy Bailey. You have just found dance to idols that he got blindsided on day twenty two of survivor David versus Goliath now they function as an idol cancellor. Dude. Do what I did the first time. It worked out. Well, that time how coming idle you through in the ocean didn't end up on ghost island. I don't know. Did production fish out of the ocean? What do you think? Well, they could've they could've made a new idol and put some seaweed on articles and. The real answer to it. The real answer to your question. Even even though there were some idols that went back farther is there's a recency bias. Yeah. Longtime ago, even though James's idols were even longer, you know? Yeah. So all right. You mentioned that you're not loving Christian. And I feel like most people so far have been very very high on Christian. So we'll your what is he doing that is bothering you. As so easy. What he's doing? That is annoying me. He is imitating Cochran. Joe? It's you know, the stuff Cochran down our throats for two seasons. Just like they stuff Rupert down our throats for four seasons. It was floor. He did appear on four seasons. I think it'd be hard to argue the shoved down our throats in survivor lovers as water five if you can't the Israeli version, okay? Maybe more to come. I hope so. No, I'm not let me let me put this disclosure out there. If any of the the David and Goliath are listening to this podcast. I hope not I'm talking about the character on TV. I'm not talking about you personally, followed Christian on Twitter. I think he follows me follow several these people. And if I say, I hate you on this podcast that doesn't mean I really hate you. I'm trying to balance things out after Tbirds love fest last week. Did you see bird with Terry Dietz earlier this week, Randi I've listened to half of it on my way home from from school today? So t t bird is is the new Booker for the podcast now. She is. Yeah. One thing. When thing disturbed me about that podcast because your your podcast with with T-word last week, which listened to. Yeah. Part of I couldn't make it through the whole thing because she just loves everybody. She she talked. We've become good friends over the last few years. Yes. And she in the quote, she's about me was that I may have a rough exterior, but I have a heart of gold her and Terry deeds on that podcast broach. Oh podcast. She was talking about Jeff Probst and she referred to him as also having a heart of gold, and my heart of gold just sunk down to my balls. I have never been so insulted in my life as to be kicked compared to you and Jeff have in common. My god. So all right. So could for Christian in terms of that? Now, he's somebody feel like that. He is. Being a pushed on us too much. Bay pushed on us too much. I think he's I'm also getting a performing vibe from him. You know, somebody that is a professor is. So obviously bright couldn't be so silly. As to say what he say last night the broach. Joe's were adorable or something like that was the name of the episode. I'm not sure that that moment where him in, Dan. And and the mayor of slam town were feeding each other and talking about the, you know, this bro Chacho alliance and the name of the episode was aren't these broach shows adorable or something like that? That was not a great thing for for Christian and his alternate popularity to have the episode called these broach are adorable. Well, I think that's a sign that Christians days are also never he's not gonna go as deep as production wants him to go. So they're they're naming episodes after Steffi says and a lot of episode titles. Randy do you read anything into that? Yeah. He's gone. Yeah. Last night's episode was called Aren broach os just adorable one of his confessionals us night. He's he's talking about being accepted by the mayor and Dan. Yeah. And and he's compared he's he's saying he's an equal and he's fist pumping him and stuff. And I'm like Christian as bright as you are hasn't occurred to you that they're playing for a million dollars. Of course, they're going to be nice to. They're not going to say, you know, get away from me you dork. Yeah. Point Randy, you know, 'cause. It's it's a good job for John Morrison. And for Dan to say, hey, let's make Christian feel like he's part of this group. And then he's not going to be working on trying to get rid of us. Hopefully, all all I got to say is it must be very simple to design and make robot. Because because if someone is playing a game of survivor in its thirty seventh season comes up with anomaly idea, let's be nice to the outcast. So they won't vote me out. Or if I make it to the end they may vote vote for me. What a great idea this isn't Borneo. Right. Right. And this was something that I sort of stumbled upon when Jenna and Heidi were being real nice to me into -vivor, the Amazon, and I said, I'll wait a second. Hold on. This is not real. Oh life. Exactly. Yada, yada, yada. I haven't heard from Heidi in fifteen years. Randy. Janneh was a good friend. Jan Jan was a good friend, but Heidi, but Heidi might have just been nice to me during when we were playing the game. What a what a great idea. It's still instead of yelling at Natalie took the opposite approach. She's just said. Yeah. I don't care for playing survivor. Talk to whoever I want. These guys are saying okay, hold on. This is the game. Randy with the U of figured this whole thing out. Yeah. So we'll we'll see what happens, but Christians got three episodes left, the most, okay? You got this whole season down Italy's got three episodes left at the most. Okay. I I'd say I take Christian Angelina, Dan are the next three. Okay. All right brandy. The you are calling your shots less than road. It's what happens when I watched the duel rewatch sober, okay? All right. So let's just talk this all through. Okay. So the winner the season is is Alison Gabby is a finalist. She gets one vote. It's from Christian the next three boat votes off in some particular order are Angelina, Dan and Christian. That's correct. Okay. So what what does that mean for the orange tribe? We haven't talked about them. What's the name? Pooku cuco. Yes. So that is Alec in CARA. And then there is a Davy Carl and Elizabeth right? Well, as we saw the previews there is no Fukuda is no more as Ginny is, no more. Yeah. Tribe. Davey. I think Davies going go deep. Okay. He's been. He's been kind of invisible. You got some good airtime the first couple episodes and he's been a little bit invisible. That's a good sign. Okay. I think he's well liked Elizabeth with the exception of her little outbursts last night. I think is doing well, she she might she might sneak into that next three inning. Also. That's not no because the scene with her back in the bamboo that serve no purpose for last night's episode. So he's got it's got to serve a purpose in the next, you know, two or three weeks question about this. Because if there is a blow up like that that happens on the island. Okay. So that was drama. But maybe in the when we take a look back at the thirty nine day story of the season. Maybe there's not a rift that ends up forming would we see that? Or would they not show that on the show if Elizabeth wins? They wouldn't have shown the scene last night. It was stuff that's helping to build her character. And what she's overcome? All this adversity where she like four weeks ago. She couldn't even walk because of her back. And now here she is on survivor, and she just wants to be comfortable. She's gone through all of this back pain that she's overcome even. Yeah. I think I mean, she presented a little bit in a little bit too whiny feel good and Alec Alec alike. Gara- like. In what we're talking about with Christian with the mayor flan town being nice to Christian. I mean, we can go all the way back to episode. The first fifteen minutes of episode one with a with Keira in day and seeing I mean wake up, Dan. So if you're feeling like, okay. So so Dr Alison and Gabby are part of something that you do you feel like that they end up working with the Goliath set or with David that Alison ends up being the one person from the goliaths who ends up being with the with David's maybe Mike white. Also, what do you mean ends up because if you're talking about how Angelina and Dan and Christian and Elizabeth are going out that sort of people on both sides. So there has to be a group that comes together that ends up sort of taking out all those people. Right. And we we saw in next week on survivor. So many said, I don't know who said it, you know, how it goes by so fast. They said something along the lines of David and Goliath is no more. You know, it's pretty much happens every season since Agong. So I mean, there's been a few Peng's, but. Production is their best not to have them. Yeah. Now Randy we still so much more to talk about what's David versus Goliath. I know that you were out in Vegas recently for the big big. Maybe the biggest reality star combing laying event that maybe they've ever had right? Not the biggest because not the biggest reality star. Billy Garcia was not there. Neither neither was Jillian. Well, it's a long it's a long haul for Billy to get out there and gillians very busy with everything going on at the reality rally. But I mean, there was how many how many different people at the Vegas. Reality star bash. There's a lot. I don't even know. But I think over a hundred over one hundred and they got you Randy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I caught with the Korean was going to be there through three weeks before before the event, and I contact Crin said I want to go to this thing. And she contacted Peter the guy that put it on she she said Sinn radian invite he wants to come. And he said he already did. And I looked through my garbage. And he's he'd sit me an Email like a month before I accidentally deleted or something. Right. I didn't know what it was. Yeah. Oh, no. It was it was a great time. I made so many new good friends. Okay. And are you a big Vegas guy? Randy. Unfortunately, I am I like to gamble. Yeah. And we did a lot of it. Okay. I got I got out there a guy out there real early. I got gonna after Thursday and Adam Klein guy in a few hours after I'd and we're the only ones we got into day early. And really, well we shared a room. Yeah. We did a lot of gambling the first night. We shared a room both of us being big fans, we geeked out and stayed up till like five in the morning talking about everything can show, and I lost my mother to cancer when I was about his age. So we had all that out. And. Got to know him about as well as you can get to know somebody guy. Yes. Oh, yeah. Chris lavelle? I'm sorry. Chris Heyman and Brennan Ville Freud. Freudian slip heard one. Those guys are after a day or two with him. It was like I'd known him all my life. Right. The greatest guys the world's bread. Lebel? Brett is is. Rhys? Chris was portrayed in the show is pretty level headed and mature. The guy is is like a nine year old. Yeah. He's not to know. He he's like a rich nine years old. He rented he rented, the sweet this four four thousand square foot suite on the top of the hotel, and he had to himself and he put he put a brand over in the corner on a little couch. Yeah. Every every few minutes, Chris which just say, I have never been more sure of something in my life, and he'd shove in about seven or eight hundred dollars on one hand of blackjack in. It was crazy and what he. And what he? Most of the time. He did he left with a ton of money, and I didn't do bad either. All right. Good job Randy in in Tyson and Jervis they're crazy to ties. Never played before he bought in for like three hundred bucks. He get his hand dealt in. He'd turned to me Jervis in say, what do I do? And we tell him what the book said to do whether hit stay double, whatever. And he worked just three hundred bucks up to about four thousand. Yeah. In two hundred bucks a hand. And I'm like Tyson. If you lose two in a row quit. And so he loses. Tune awro was he do he shoves him five hundred dollars to get back to where he was long long story short in like three minutes. He's broke don't chase. It. You don't chase. It of Jason and analyze it in brook from amazing race we had a blast with them radio. I heard you even met some big brother people too. I did. And with the exception of Scottie what what a budget. Dick's. Scotty was the one you like Scotty was the only one with any manners. Yes. JC dick. You didn't like him. Caitlyn? Nick. Rent. Randy that well, that's my friend. Caitlyn? Well, they came out that was like the weekend. They came off the show they made it they might they don't even out on only been at a day or two. So I will cut I will cut them some slack. Give them a benefit Derrick Derrick Lavazza, I'm met for the first time. Yes. Super super nice guys. You know? Yes. Okay. Some naked afraid people's. It was it was a great time. The the fan in me loved it. Go to brandy. I'm happy to hear you have a good experience. Like this. You sound surprised that I can have a good time. I'm happy to hear that. You know, you you made new friends are you is there anybody from this season that you're hoping to see in Vegas next year. I'd like to see the mayor slam to shoot I'd like to see them all. All the mayor slam towns, probably not going to be hanging out at the survivor big brother Vegas. Reality star bash. You never know you never know. I'd like to I'd like to meet them all I'd like to meet Lear. I'd like to meet Nick, what do you think about Mike? You think Michael be? Mike, Mike is Mike white probably not if I guess, I don't know. No. I think he I think he digs being survive on the amazing race. So yeah, you never know. I bet we see him. I ran a lot of questions for you. From the listeners of the podcast. We will get into that. But I I wanted to take a moment in thank one of our sponsors here today. Those are friends over at legacy box box has a great offer for our listeners. They will digitize all of your family's home movies. They've got a great offer. Get forty percent off your legacy box order when you go to legacy box dot com slash rob. That's forty percent off your first order. Legacybox dot com slash rob. Now Randy I bet that you as a videographer have a ton of home movies of you and your family. What what what media? Do you have your home movies on what like Betamax, probably wait Betamax? Yeah. Like. Wasn't it the cursor to VHS? How old do you think? I am rob. I don't don't Wicky it. I mean, that's like what they had in the seventies. Right. So what my that's what my parents used was Betamax. Yeah. What what did you use? Would I use now? I mean, I mean you make any home movies now. Well, I I have a phone believe it or not. Yeah. Has speed dial and everything on it. And you can even. Yeah. You can even use it as a small, computer. I'm sure you've heard a lot of people have older formats of I don't I don't have Betamax. I don't even have a VHS player anymore. Yeah. I didn't. I didn't mean anything by Randy. I don't want to human was old. I know what you meant the movies world. Well, okay. Okay. All right. All right. All right. I kind of feel like we sort of lost the the moment here. So I apologize to our friends over at legacy box. We'll get it. Another time, you shouldn't even charge them now. No, I I mean this end. I mean, you you mentioned what they did. And then you insulted me. And then I didn't insult I didn't Randy John tank him. Once were you inspired by the performance of the Jew beanie tribe during last night's immunity challenge, we saw them Randy that they were needed to overcome the adversity of carrying Ned heavy saucer, Jeff really gave them a Pat on their back you as inspired as when Donna thin needed to go in swim in the water to help out James limb. Donaldson Jonathan dove down three feet to get. With that equally as inspiring for you as well as Sirri on the balance beam. Yes. Fortunately, they didn't go too far with with the scene last night. They were obviously out matched Natalie Natalie wouldn't have helped a whole lot. If if she was still there. But no, I mean, also they quit should Jeff have done like a Sirri with them and said like all right? I know you guys can do it. We are going to wait here until you guys finish challenge. Because I know that you guys then will then take this with you as much as a as much as I'm loving this season right now, I swear to God, I would've quit watching if they'd done that they did quit. I mean, Jeff sugarcoated, and they should have quit. They should should've quit long before. They did they they knew who they were my Mike and Nick knew that they were safe. Yeah. Should've quit. Shouldn't have even started looking at who was in the tribe. The should've just conceded. Yeah. I would've made for great TV, just, you know, Jeff, handing out the first and second place idols. And yeah, yeah. This is a rough challenge for them because this is challenge, but that really involved like physical strength, and I wanna give kudos to the challenge team because that was a really fun challenge to watch. They just got unlucky that one child and one team was really bad at it. It was it was kinda weird. Because at saucer looked. Awkward and. Yeah. It was a creative challenge design because it was head was shallow like a bird bath. Yeah. It's when you see blowouts like that are not even blow outs. You teams quit. But still Jeff get so excited is just kinda like, you know, relax, relax. You know, the players are calm. So Randy last week. We saw the survivors evacuated from their beach because of the cyclone now, I know you guys in heroes vs villains. Went through some absolutely terrible weather in the start of the game. A lot of it. We didn't end up seeing on the show are you against survivor evacuating the contestants or do you think that they should do it more? I wasn't there. I don't know how bad it was season twenty season twenty. We didn't have any of the wins that they apparently had we had it was cold in. I've never seen it rained like that. But nothing was you weren't. Endanger nothing was nobody safety was in danger. And. In pre-game or somewhere. Jeff for somebody says that they've done this two or three times before where they bring them tarp and told the story before they brought us a tar they brought us dry. Would they? I've told the story before about Tyson stealing the gas. Yeah. Us blowing up the beach. The whole island of Samoa smelled like an oil refinery. Right. I'm not going to tell the story again. They helped us. They showed Boston rob with help starting the fire on day one. And you're they dissolve that into fire that we had on day seven because we did not get fire. Boston rock did not get fire. I'm sure he's not listening. So. You never know. Randy Nick Fishman says what's the best approach to try that is lacking challenge. Prowess went on a losing streak was the best your tribe, you're gonna tailspin what do you what do you do? You. Do exactly what what Mike Nick did was give their ducks in a row in lineup. People in front just like we did in Hong in Capone. If. Hey to keep an eye haven't brought up good bone all that much for this podcast. But that's what we did. When I saw that. I was in a tribe of not only mentally challenged. But physically challenged drive. I knew if we'd stayed apart. I was going to pull us of staff to gross and be the only one left. Yes. And. I I mean, I'm saying that tongue in cheek, but I'm absolutely serious. It would have happened. Yeah. But yeah, that's what you do you. You you play the game before you lose immunity because you know, you're gonna lose them unity. You in if they weren't going to merge in if they were going to lose again, I feel you ninety five percents. Sure that Angelina would be next that seems like unless that we would see Mike completely turn on Nick. I feel like it would be, you know, one hundred percent chance that probably Angelina would have been next. Yeah. Because I think I think Mike totally buys the Rockstars and to, but Nick also buzz some of his other bonds that he's made Mason, Dixon, and whatever else he's got going on. Yeah. This is an Email question that we got from drew if the green tribe went to tribal council up so didn't they Christian would have stuck with his roots and voted with Gabby? Or would he have gone with the broach chose Randy? I hate to say, I think I think he would go with the broach. Joe's just because you can see he's he is maybe it's wrong. But they're portraying it like he's. Never had relationships. Like this before I'm sure he has. But but not with the cool kids. He's he's sitting he's sitting at the big table in the lunchroom of high school with the captain of the football team. You know, the capital baseball team the coming king. And he's you know. And he's loving it. And all he's getting out of the Gabby relationship is another nerd likes him. Do you think it would be heartbreaking for Christian that? Let's say at the merge that those guys ended up voting against him. Do you think that we would then see a confessional where he's talking about how he's heartbroken and sort of like, the she's all that moment where these guys they just pretended to be nice to me. And now I'm back to being David just like before as I would I would love to see that so much I would love to see that so much. But as as I said earlier, he's getting the cocker knit, and it's not gonna happen. Yeah. This is this is this is about growth, and whether it lasts one more episode or eight more episodes. That's what we're going to see we're not going to see John and Dan flip on him and make fun of him. We we see this. We sell this imp- role islands with with Sean in who show friend Jonny fairplay strained burden. Burdened shoot good friend of mine. Just getting old. You know that you've got Betamax tapes. Burton and shown pointing it rubrics crack and making fun of Rupert was the precursor to the modern day. Cochran character. Rupert wasn't full on nerd he was. You know, he was something different. He was alien. Yeah. Sort of I want to say outcasts because sid that they're literally were outcasts in April islands, but sort of like the person that didn't fit in who was sort of being again, I'm not a pun, but the butt of the joke. This. I'm just thinking about this for the first time right now, the what happened with Rupert near. They get him off in a confessional. He'd they play the sad music, and he'd be talking about being bullied, and you know, what has happened we've seen the Rupert character. If all over the years into the full blown Cochran character. Yeah, I'm predicting Christian comes back for like season, forty two and wins. We'll let me say listen this that I feel like that. Cock rain was little like tongue in cheek about in. You know, when he was talking about with like with Eddie and Reynold. And those weren't even his allies, but he sort of like when he would win immunity. He would sorta like strut around like where coaches jacket, but I think that he was fists. Yeah. But I feel like that he was sort of like. Yeah. He knew that. It was funny, and he never too, but I don't think Cochran ever in a confessional talked about how hey I've been bullied all my life. Like cochran. He just doesn't have like the. I don't think he ever we ever got a confessional with Cochran with the sad music talking about what it's like to be Cochran and to have been bullied or to have been somebody who doesn't fit in. You're right. You're right. Like, I think he he just doesn't have that that gear. And I don't know exactly what. Whether it's like empathy or or what? But. And Christian has an either just of he's, you know. He's obviously so thrilled by being with the cool kids. You got to just got to infer it there. There has been bullying in there has been recite ostracizing. Well, of course, Jeff that was the reason why Christian is even on the David tribe is why because I think that people said, well, isn't he like an accomplished? Robot scientists, but it's like, I think that Jeff said, but he's been bullied underdog. Even though he's at the top of his field. Well, maybe maybe they started this game with twenty people twenty well, maybe they had eleven goliaths and nine. And they wanted to keep them all. So they said, hey, you're now David, you know, and they couldn't put the mayor of slam town on David's. Yeah. Randy is a question from MO Saunders whose Randy's winner pick. Now. I know you talked about how the doctor Alison will win. But that was not your original winner pick. Correct. Correct. Who wasn't my original winter pick was an Italian? Yes. Why what did you see in the Talia that was based purely on wiggles first one L later DC did? And I just thought she sounded headed it had a good plan. Yeah. Okay. And then you changed your vote your pick after an Italian, correct? That's correct. Yes. I changed it to Carl because he just been exile island back. And I think when I was tweeting that Carlos the first and only name I heard come out of the TV. So I changed it to. Carl. Okay, and. In Carl Carl's going to be he's going to be top six probably. Okay. He's right there. I don't think you'll win. Okay. Let me ask you this. This is from Kristen call who says I ran these live tweets about survivor are amazing has CBS contacted him about taking over. There. Can't Randy has CBS contacted you to take over the survivor Instagram account. CBS has not contacted me since I don't know. Probably to tell me when my plane to go home from the heroes villains that attacked. You've had. I probably probably was. And thank you for the compliment about my tweets, you know, try. But would you are you open to taking over the survivor Instagram account? I know that there's no ways he could be serious because half my tweets, I'm making fun of saying things that say, I don't pander to CBS. Well, I don't think you need. Well, I don't think you need to pander to them. I mean, they just wanna see like what your what your ritual is watching the show, and what your reactions are as you're watching. Yeah. I take the job. It'll never happen. Also, Kristen wanted to know can you weigh in on the Elizabeth bamboo drama. So we saw Elizabeth that she had a bad back. She was trying to sleep on the bamboo and everybody some of the guys were getting upset that she was taking the shelter apart and making too much noise. Did you think that she was in the wrong? Randy we talked about this a little bit before. And this stuff is just horribly uncomfortable to sleep on its nails in Coban, which on the dirt. And it was great Samoa in. Here's villas we stepped on that bamboo, and it's awful. Join Ana loan working on the bamboo, but she was analyze. Fine, given everybody this stupid story about her back. Stupid story. You'll care when you're out there. You don't care about anybody's back. I mean, you can pretend to care if it's gonna get somebody's vote. Yeah. And you know, they didn't even they didn't even seem to pretend to care. I love Elise survival type show. I watched naked afraid I watch you know, whatever, they haven't duels reviver. Would you do naked and Franny? I don't know. Now, I might have a few years ago why you're too modest? Too old to know that you know, that better than anybody. Neg- negative frayed. You don't you know, throw a hoop onto a stick and win pizzas. Yeah. That's that's negative rate is real. Survivors real. But they're, you know, they're not going to you watch that a lot naked in a freight. Right. Oh, yes. Gracious. It's always a man and a woman, right? Yes. Did the contestants ever hit it off romantically did that ever happen in three thousand times that they've run naked and afraid now there's been some flirting. I don't think there's ever been a hookup. The show is cast survivor is for drama. So they're going to cast to people that are probably going to hate each kind of figured that. Maybe one time they would hit it off. There's there was there's been some there's been some odd couples. If every time I've ever watched the two people hate each other by the end. So I just wonder if one time may be they got along. There was a straight guy in a a gay female one time, and they got along great. There was there was an old guy. It was like a fifty five year old guy. Yeah. And a twenty five year old. She was also a lesbian and they got along. Great. So I wonder if he maybe you take any sort of potential attraction out of the mix, and maybe that's what it takes for them to get along. Maybe maybe so. We'll save that for our naked and afraid rehab. Do you want to host that Randy yell? Do it. What the hell Randy's? We you would host a weekly podcast about naked and afraid. Yeah. Sure. Would. Would you would wear close to do it? Right. Yeah. It'd be audio only. Of course, I might just be underwear. It would be theater of the mind. I've got a got a three-time naked and afraid alumni that can co host with me. Should we do a pilot of that show? Let's do it. I mean, I know you're joking. I'm joking too. But I bet you get a lot of listeners. I mean, I don't know if people would be there for a week after week after week 'cause I mean, that's I watched that show. Once you've seen them. All am I wrong. Well, if you watch. Yeah, if you watch that show three times in the mall. Yeah. Is because they either both make it. Wrong, right or one or the other one quits. So so I mean, that's I like. I like these shows like survivor and big brother where it's sort of like, you know. You know, sometimes it can be repetitive. But then sometimes it could be very different time after time time, and it's more of a even even survivor in big brother are very guilty of not reinventing the wheel. Of course, they do a lot to keep things fresh. But I mean, we see we talked about this earlier. We we see the same character year after year after year, except for me they've ever brought it into the rain. And right. They also never cast anybody named Randy broach. Yeah. Which I find amazing. There's a lot of Randy's out there a lot of them. And it's yeah. Have to get somebody to figure out the odds of that happening. I mean, there's probably been what eight or nine robs. There haven't been too many recently. I can take four just like that. But they there was me Boston, rob skater, rob in the general like all in a row and then. Count. Robert crowley. I really don't. I mean, I think that he's a he's a he goes by Bob right there as well as other things. Yeah. There was. Oh, Bob dog and Bobby John. And there's been Bob's. But there hasn't been a lot of rob since then I was like all in a row. I think Boston rob had that in his contract that they don't cast anymore Rob's than after survivor all stars. Probably that was that was a writer. He had let's see also more questions for Randy will a wall. No, not we'll wall. He doesn't send them questions will a wants to know. What does Randy think about naming alliances as stupid as I thought it was at I it's kind of working you were in the unin alliance. Right. Yes. But we didn't name it. You know, Marcus was was using a analogy hearing our lines two layers of an onion and somebody on read it or somewhere distorted calling the onion alliance. Yeah. They were the onion allies before I was in the end. Analyze okay. I was I was over on the other moron alliance. Like confessional. Hey, this is the new alliance. I call this the moron alliance. Shirts. Caleb Daughtry wants to know. What would Randy say to Dan if he offered him a spot in the bro? Chacho would you fancy yourself approach? Oh, randy. If Dan offered me a spot. Yeah. Tell you what he can offer me his spot when he leaves to you could fill in. Yeah. Yeah. I think. I don't think I'd fit in real well, except for the mayor U N John Morrison would get along. Well, I think we would I think we would. Yeah. Why he seems? I don't know. I just. I don't know why I feel that. But. Simplistic. Oh, yeah. Christian. And Dan, I'm I'm not feeling that much. I'm not sure day in is great. You lost one hundred twenty pounds or whatever. But did you ever think of not getting fat in the first place? Well, you know, hindsight is twenty twenty Randy I've weighed between one sixty five and one seventy five since since I've been twenty two. Yeah. If I if I had one seventy five I say, I need. Well, not everybody is different circumstances for everybody. This is a touchy subject Randy. Well, did you used to be huge? Randy tell me about slam on. What I'm going to hang up on you. Randy talking about slam town. You look great. Anyway. Thank you. Randy the. The water slammed hand, what do you think about slam town? Are you fascinated by the idea? The we've heard enough of slammed. In as much as much as I like, John. You're this comptrollers crap. And. It's it's used to get into this with coach. But before before we we're friends before here fill ins, and we were talking a lot. And he was he would call me. And he would go over names that he had for everybody down here. Yours villains. And you know, I'd say, you know, let's let's worry about winning the game or getting deepen the game. Right. And not and not worry so much about being entertaining. As that doesn't that doesn't interest me at all compared to million dollars. Yeah. But so with coaching Reno last week, I was a coach anti-sinn and rob three of your tribe mates from survivor heroes vs villains. And coach had said that he wished he spent more time either free gaming or trying to win the game rather than studying quote. From Dr Martin Luther King junior will coach is he gets that from me. No, you tell you you got into the light. Yes. And I agree with him. I wish he spent more time to. I couldn't agree with anybody more. It's right. God. But should somebody do that the first time they play the like this should somebody come out there with a lot of the first time they place they get cast the second time, and then they could worry about trying to win the game. The second time, I never planned one thing. I was going to say either time that I played. Yeah. When I said this vote is not strategic. It's strictly personal that popped into my head three seconds before. I said, yeah. I don't know. I guess if people want to think stuff to to get on get on the air. That's that's fine. Yeah. It's not for me. Rainy, jen. Manning said Randy I love you so much today. I became a teacher for daycare how substitute teaching going. Substitute teaching is going to now are you saying substitute? Or are you a regular teacher? Now. Let me the spin two minutes on this. Because I gotta tell you what happened. I've been working on getting my certification, Texas because it's a little easier to make the transition then where I live now, which is Kansas. I passed my certification test and in late July and applied for few jobs and got two job offers within days of passing my test. The other such a teacher shortage, obviously because they want to hire me. And it was so spur of the moment. Both both jobs were like we need you to start yesterday. We're going to happen so fast. I just I just could not wrap my brain around breaking my lease and pick it up and moving and being teacher tomorrow and having my own class shock, turn both jobs down. So to your question. I'm enjoying substituting in Kansas still. I am planning to make the move again. Either for second semester, starting the first of January or. During the summer for next school year where where I will be full fledged teacher. Okay. All right. So in the fall or or or in the start or second semester. Okay. I think it's okay. So congratulations on that rainy. How does the title the principle of slam town sound to you? You know, I'm starting to like Santana little more track. Got a nice ring to it. And then you work your way up superintendent of slam town. I like the principal. Okay. Ran the voicemail question for you. This is a question. I thought I thought this was the recap show. Yeah. This this is the I mean, this is the recap doing on Thursday, but somebody called in with a voicemail for as long as long as you didn't do me into doing voice. You know, everybody knows that this is the the recast as long as as long as it's the real thing. Good. Hey, Robin, Randy. I'm just calling into the feedback show because I'm really interested in hearing readies take on the big saucers of water. Do you think like Mike white really blew it? When he like couldn't hold it for that long. And should should also by be prepared to be able to hold big saucers water. Thank you. We talked about that a little bit before. Can run that challenge. One hundred times, and they're gonna lose one hundred times. It wasn't Mike whites fault. It wasn't. It wasn't anybody's fault. Just they were just outmatched. Yeah. Do you like this? Mike, white Randy. I'm. I'm hot and cold on him. You know, he's a kind of ambivalent about rich people playing survivor. You know, I'm not, you know, I didn't wasn't crazy about Jimmy Johnson playing or or. I'm I'm absolutely sure. He's not listening to this podcast. So I used to. Yeah. Jimmy Johnson cost me a million dollars, by the way. How well he was. He was going to be on Kubota on and the physical. They found his heart blockages. Yeah. And so they had to go to the second team to find Crowley. Oh, so they send Bob home from from LA Minos. I said you're boring. You're stupid leave and say it like that. I believe they did. So and classic Randy story. So he went home three or four days later, Jimmy Johnson failed his physical. So they needed, you know. They needed the old guy. Yeah. Interesting. I didn't know that. I find that hard to believe. It sounds familiar, but I don't remember that he was the Bob replacement. That's the part of the story. That sounds like I haven't heard that before. Yeah. Well, I'm glad I. Yeah. You educating. Education. So let me ask you about this gin this from Simon Simon on Twitter wants to know ask Randy about his international survivor watching with the whether the US has stepped its game up to match these international seasons. And who would you love from the international survivor seasons to play in a literal survivor worlds apart. Apart? I think I think the chances of that happening would be the odds are better if one of the international versions invited eighteen you watch the Australian. Yes, we're we're former tribe me. Russell hands ended up playing, of course. Figured out. I was able to put a finger on why I like survivor New Zealand survivor, Australia. I I'm about ready to wash South Africa. I haven't yet. I've watched a little bit of it. Why I like that better? It's I'm watching the American version it just I got kind of a case of PTSD. And a lot of survivors say that and with watch Australia. I'm not watching Probst when I'm watching New Zealand. I'm not watching, you know, it's just it's it's just more stress free for me. I enjoy I can try to extrapolate on that. So you're saying that there's too many things about the US survivor that you see and just like you're seeing red when you watch those things but the international viruses. You can enjoy what you love about survivor without having any of the things that bother you about survivor. Exactly. That's interesting. Exactly. Because I you do love survivor. I do I do. You hear you always hear a Boston? Rob interview with a respect the game too much or everybody says how much they respect their game. I don't understand that. I have absolutely no respect for the game was ever. How how Suzy can vote off Marcus? That's a horrible game. Yeah. I keep coming back. Why do you keep watching it? You can say things like like I enjoy the game. I'm entertained by the game. I love the show, but you cannot say I respect this game because it's so unfair. Do you agree with your former tribe mate Russell hands at the game is flawed? It is now, but not for the reason he thinks it is if that makes any says, maybe I shouldn't talk too much about that. Well that if. The game has been bastardized with with half a dozen Amini. I. And crazy stuff in. That's that's the flaw. But but I get it. They're trying to keep it fresh. They're trying to get new viewers. It's not it's not flawed because he got second place to Natalie white. That's one of the that's one of the few good things about it. That's one thing. This right. Well, what could they do if the game where Suzy can outlast, Marcus? Is there a fix if they could do? The game is supposed to be that. And it's. We've seen that we see that every every going to see them we saw it when when Lil got rid of Andrew savage. It's the same thing. Well, Suzy can outlast Marcus if if little can't outlast, Andrew savage, then why watch the show then it wouldn't be very predictable. Exactly. But you can't. Respect the game. The game deserves no respect. Have you ever missed the season? If you watched every single season, the US -vivor, I have have you watched every single episode. I have never been a time where you're so frustrated with the way the season going that you check out. I have not that's interesting. Yeah. Even even when a few years ago, I'd grown really really really sour the molting. Even then I watched how many survivor players how many US -vivor players. Do. You think have seen every single episode of thirty seven seasons. Probably. Fifty. I bet it's less than twenty and it might be less than ten. I know you and I have. Yeah. I know I know Nick on this is in probably has I know. I would say if there if there's more if the numbers between ten and twenty I would say outside of mean you. I would say, you know, somewhere between. Eighty five percent of them have also played in the last like three seasons you have just succeeded in making me feel like the biggest loser. Gotta go gotta go. I've got a game of dungeons and dragons. And I'm gonna play didn't even Randy. I mean, I've had to go back and watch a lot of them. I didn't there was there was a point in the in the middle's, even even you know your season. I only watched the first half when it was on. I think that's that's when you were in your I double back and get some of them it. Here's a here's another question along those lines. How many survivors of the roughly five hundred do you think you could come up with their names? You could probably get all bit twenty. Yeah. Yeah. This probably because you re watches and stuff. Yeah. I think if you like how are we doing are you showing me the picture we going like season by season because I've wanted to do something like this either. It'd be funny if it's like, you know, like to try to do it, and like give you like like go through every single tribe in the show's history. And then for every person, I miss like do shot, a beer and to see how far I could get through the whole thing. And if I be unconscious if I just be passed out on the floor. I don't know if it's too dangerous promotes drinking. But that was my idea that I wanted to do for a long time. I think that'd be fun. I think I could name every. I could name both tribes of both Borneo in Australia without missing, certainly certainly. I I would have a problem until I got to you know. Guatemala. Fine. Those seasons up until Palau season and earlier. Yeah. I bet you could name maybe sixty percent of the players. Seasons. Twenty five thirty five. I couldn't name twenty percent. Couldn't name ten percent. Yeah. So you sort of just like, you know, what you watch it. And it's like, you know. Yeah. It's gone. Okay. Maybe one day we come up with the fun way to do something. Like that. Maybe what would be what would be less? Controversial. I did a shot or if I got flogged with a with a cane. Let's go with violence. Do you think that would be that would be more controversial, it'd be less? It'd be it'd be more entertaining. That would be that would be as podcast that I could respect. Of the five hundred survivors. I bet I couldn't name two hundred. I could name all eighteen of of my season. I could I could name all thirty two the first two seasons and. Palau probably here. Let's try this. Let's just throw a throw at a random throat a random tribe and see if I if I could do it. Let me let me go easy on you one that I know about. Karur karur. Okay. So now you throw me off with the with the tribe names. But that's gonna that's Tom's tribe. Right. So correct. So I would think. I would think that a season I think that was a twenty person season, but they voted off Wanda and Jonathan right off the bat. So it's nine nine nine. Right. So I know that the men they're going to be Tom in Greg Koby Willard, and then the women there we're going to be Jen, lying, Karen. We have. Trying to it's I know that I I see her in in my head and. Up the cop the girl that said, I'm going to shoot her first. And then I'm gonna shoot myself. That was that was Helen I think who said that in my Thailand. He did better than I could I could have gotten, Ian, and Tom and of of course. But I feel like that there had been there have been. Karen, Jen and had to be two more women. And I I have. I have to cut this part out of the podcast looking stupid. Don't cut it. Good stuff. And you you give me a season like San Juan del sur. And I couldn't name one person. I mean, of course, I know several. Yeah. But, but but I don't know if they were in San Juan del sur or whether they were in whatever Nicaragua. It's all fuzzy. Okay. All right. Randy is a good thing. I'm not getting flogged right now. All right, Randi. Jessica sterling once they after so much, talk of jackets and socks. So what article of clothing would Randy most value on the Genucel Genucel was there. Randy, right. Good. Very. What valuable in Katie Gallic? Are Katy Gallagher was was can you miss her? She got know. Yeah. I know I guess the stuck. I like. Sorry. Sorry. Katie gallagher. She will be listening to worry about it. I think she must. She checks it out sometime. Speaking of Palau. Lisa reminds me a little bit of what's your name from from Palau. Karen, no, Angie, Angie. Yes. A little bit. It was also a good character. Anyway, back to the question, what article of clothing they? They put me in jeans and flip flops jeans were okay, they were warm, but you know, the stupid Hawaiian shirt there was made out of silk that was just cold. In like, everybody knows. And someone said recently on one of your podcast. You don't get to pick. That's right. 'cause Angelina was getting a lot of people saying like, you idiot can't believe why didn't you bring a coat you more on? It's and it really is not fair because. Remember, Michelle the first booed from Gaborone. Michelle Chang Michelle chase. I never knew very well. But she got a raw deal. They put her in a skimpy little hot pants in. Pacini top. Yeah. And she she weighed one hundred pounds. So I will say that that is one of the big disadvantages where you know, more. So if you're an attractive young woman, but also the attractive young guys often will we'll get that. Also, like, hey. Are we need our you know, our good looking people on the season. So you can't. Australia season to those guys had backpacks with like tin changes of clothes now. Hey, look, we had a lot of close in the Amazon. I have a lot of close in the all-stars, but why had a raincoat and a lot of stuff. Yeah. We had once they shipwreck them in Pearl islands that was a big turning point in the game. Like how this looks get everybody in there. Down to nothing. This is good. And they've. They've. Kept that up. They always try to. Address people in to make them look shipwrecked to make them. Look silly, actually. I do think that there is like some some balancing act. I it's like if your purple Kelly, you know, then you're on your on the show, and nobody is threatened by you. So that's that's good. But then you're freezing to death, and that's bad. So there's a little bit of. You know, you know, hang to it in in my season. They put Dan and Charlie and Marcus in suits. In those three that I name there's Q lawyers in a Dr there's no way on day one. They can come up with a lie and say, I'm an unemployed truck driver or something right? Right. And. Rob was talking about this in Reno about how all stars he's in a tank top. I didn't wanna bring up I was in the long sleeves and long pants. They weren't like, hey, we're gonna get sister. Nino out there showing some skin. Turn me on. Thank you. Randy. Okay. This is a question for you from Kelly who said what would it take if anything for you to give up your jacket someone who asked for it on my way out the door or just? Yeah. If. Would you give anybody your jacket? I thought you would if it was your your friend. I feel you would give the jacket off your back. I was just about to say when I voted out of of kgab own Korean had said, yeah, you would have given it to her. I don't know as much as I loved her. I would have just had to say you bitch. I lost a million dollars. I know. But all all you can think of is my is my jacket can see I can see where Natalie's coming from a little bit. Yeah. But the Natalie Angelina relationship is very different because I don't think that Italy ever really embraced Angelina. I mean, she said exit interviews or not necessarily. But she said she thought that Angelina was fake, and what's going to happen in the future. Now, I'm afraid I'm not afraid it'll be fine. It'll never show it won't show it on TV probably. But people are going to say if one of us leaves this give the other one shirts coats, hats, whatever should survivor make a role. Randy that once you are voted out, you cannot transfer any possession of yours to another player. They might because I mean, I think that's the rule with the immunity idol if you get blindsided, and you have the immunity idol in your pocket, you don't get to say. Hey. Karen, I d I got blinds with this. Hopefully, you can use it. It's sort of like, you know, dead dead in void at that point that you could go now I went to a. The tribal council council in verses villains where I voted out. Yeah. The third tribal council I accidentally left my buff in camp. And when I got to tribal council production said you can't you gotta wear both. You gotta wear buff. So they dug one out and and. They gave me an gave me a new one. And they said don't lose this one. We don't have a whole bunch. And I said, are you ING kidding? Everybody knows them being voted out in twenty minutes. So don't tell me not to lose this. I'll do anything I want with it. Threw it in the fire. Exactly. Why? But anyway, that's not telling the story for for for that part of the story. The part of the story is coach told me that they went back to camp that night. It was dark and the next morning the sun rose and coach said it was so sad. Because you're you're buff was hanging on the tree where you used to. And get rest and stuff and. Promotion came by, you know, grabbed it want bad in the shot. Yeah. They came in. Well, wouldn't make sense. If it's like who's it's Randy. Randy throws buff in the fire. Okay. So anyway, I don't know where it was pertinent people like stuff like that. Let's see this is a question for you. Randy. And this is one from Jean who says who is your least favorite player this season. And would he mind sitting next to them at the reunion? I think I know the answer to this question. She does gene nosy answer to so. So all right. So so I don't wanna sit next to Natalie at the reunion. Let me ask you this is it that bad to sit next to any particular person at the reunion, really talk to the person. It's not like that. This is your seat for you know. Home room that you're gonna be next to them for a year. You have to make all this small talk. What's really at the sit next to somebody? You don't like see I can't remember who I was sitting next to and in. Here's versus aliens. Have been sitting between Stephanie right? And then who went out after okay? I loved them. Both. And talking about her pizza. Also, congratulations to your next door neighbor. Stephanie LeGras that she just had a baby just now I not I mean, not during the recording had cast, but I've seen on Facebook. Congratulations to definitely gross a Kendrick. We'll get for her. Stephanie and Serena became close in Ponderosa. But I've always sat next to people that I really like him Capone. I sat next to Charlie. I think I was on the end either knows next to Charlie and Coron. Yeah, I'm sure, you know, Lisa will have come to grips with things by the time the reunion show, and and she'll say, you know. They may even talk about that at the reunion show. I think everybody has been voted out. Now, the only one that's going to get any time at all at the reunion shows gonna be manly everybody. Everybody else is gonna be shut out do agree in terms of the pre merger people people that have been booted up to trying to think, but I think that Natalie is probably the biggest character may Pat may we'll probably get a quickly in checking with Pat, right? Pretty sure we're not going to be Randy what pretty sure we're not gonna talk to be. No, no. I'm not sure she's going to be there may be in the audience. Two. So it's not a big deal who you sit next to the at the finale. No. And you're you're not wounds healed pretty much in your I mentioned in the opening to the podcasts that I had to sit in between Richard hatch and sue hawk because they didn't want them to be next to each other anymore. They changed the position. Yeah. Yeah. I never noticed that. Well, I mean, they'd have to talk to me at the survivor all stars a reunion for anybody to notice. But I'm not sure if they put if talk to you did me, they did not know. It was a million things show. Randy. I mean, this was thought that was back in the day where everybody. Not that time because they had Robin Amberg got engaged. Jerry mantha walked off the stage. And there was a million things going on there. I even got a question. Here's villains. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I don't remember if they had Richard hatch to my left like I had gotten one spot further. I think I I didn't mind because it seemed like I had actually gotten further along. No that that's a good piece of trivia who knew who knew. But then maybe that the only time they've had the contest and sit out of order. I I've other than a person not being at the finale. Yeah. Yeah. I. I. Yeah. That it's the only time. Randy gimme another tribe. I wanna give me I wanna make up for my failure another tribe real quick put a time limit on it. I don't wanna be like, you know. People that take too long in. You want recent or old whatever you try to try to stop me. Again. I failed that time trying to stump your. On the spot. I feel like I'm cramping up. Then I then once we started talking something else, then then Katie Janine came to me. Okay. It's. It's go with Cuccia co-coach tribe. And that's an easy one. Randy. It's it's it's really the stuff. It's the soft underbelly. I probably have the hardest time with old stuff in the new stuff. I think I give Cuccia is that's going to be. The women are going to be Kimmy and Elizabeth and Deb and Alicia, and then the guys are going to be. Guys, it's Nick Brown. And then it's Mitch Mitchell's core. Then it's it's Nick it's Mike scoop in its Jeff Varner and Kentucky. Joe? Very good. Yeah. I couldn't have done it. I could have done it. But not that near that fast. Yeah. So. I mean stuff is really burned in my brain. Usually you should do this as a podcast in the all season. Just invite like. Give me one. That's a real test. Randy. Well, I'm gonna have to Google it real quick to say just say one of the tribes from a season. Okay. Let's go with season. Proline proline would be too easy. Probably one of my favorite seasons. Let's go with the men in Vanuatu the men in Vanuatu. Okay. So this is tough because it's all it's all the man. Okay. So can I can I write them down as I go what we're talking about? So it's your part is your podcast. Let me see if I could do. So the guys that were in the fat five was Chris Rory. Bubba sarge. And boy was JP part of the fat five Chad. He wasn't Chad. Was it was JP John Kenny, Brooke? That's it. That's it. It's only nine I think right everybody thought John JP, John Kenny Brooke and o'brady Brady the FBI guy. All right. I don't know if this is interesting to anybody. Okay. Randy. Let's see what what what else is going on Randy. How about this? This is from Joe broach o on Twitter. Here's a Joe broach. Oh, joe. Yeah. Chacho? That's an interesting name. Did you just make that up? Yes. I made that up Jobra Chacho wants to Stephen has the fishy. Bryce has the freaky is free. Can Randy give us who is the grumpiest rump of the season. That's not fair. Joe there hadn't been any really grumpy except. Gotta give it to Natalie. He's grumpy I hate to. To give credence to your earlier comparison with her. There's they're heading. There hasn't been anybody else. All that grumpy, okay. This is a question from Michael Butler or rear junior with the success of players like east mode cowboy what other big brother players should make the leap to survivor. I we've gotta talk about these Cowboys success. Yes. What are you talking about the guy quit once on day nine well and the others medically evacuated? I don't think. What you really edit? He's a quitter. Witcher? No, they they thought he was dead. Well, I'm not gonna say what I was about to say. Yeah. He didn't quit he quit. And then he was out on day nine he. Okay. He had no business. Did not wanna go when they met him either time well who wants to go, of course, he didn't want to people who wanna quit wanna go. That's true. Yeah. I did want to go either one of my time. So. Kapil from big brother should be on survivor next. Randy. That is easy JC love to. I'd love to him. Jay say, yeah. He's great. Yeah. No. He was great on the show. He was at dick van. Like like like, you said they just got out of the house, and they probably suffering from PTSD. Yeah. It's a lie. Go from in house when nobody's talking to them. And then there's a million people that are like, hey, can I think selfie with you? And you know, how? Even playing survivor. It takes you weeks in weeks if not months to get get back to normal. Yeah. And they had them in this David versus Goliath season. Randy. What would you be? Would you be a David or a Goliath that I feel like that knowing you pretty well over the years? I feel like that. You are a David. What what? Yeah. That aren't you like the ultimate underdog that I mean, I feel like that people are always underestimating you. You had to go there. Didn't you rob go go where to Denver source, of course? I would be Goliath. Did you not watch bone? I didn't really think did you not read bio on CBS dot com. I mean, I definitely didn't at the time. I mean that should I back. You know, I'm not going to sit here and listen to this again, I've it's been years that you pull the same. And I get. I'm outta here. Goodbye. Randy Randy, hold on a second. manny. The David versus Goliath season. I've asked every single the person this question. Come on Randy. All right. That one's on me everybody. We're going going so well, all right everybody. There you have it. Randy bailey. I will get to work on my hand written apology letter once again right after this podcast is over. In the meantime, we will get ready to switch gears to our feedback show with Alli lash very excited to catch up with Allie. That's going to be coming up in a record that on early evening Friday for the east coast. 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Why ____ Lost Survivor 38 with David Bloomberg & Jessica Lewis | Season 38 Preview

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Why ____ Lost Survivor 38 with David Bloomberg & Jessica Lewis | Season 38 Preview

"Servive in your feeling down seething, Jessica around they'll breakdown rule sandwich show. You get playing yourself and got bullied. This is blank. Bob lang. Hello. And welcome back to the special preview. Addition of why blank loss, I'm David Bloomberg. And I have a lot to live up to in this podcast because last season I correctly predicted the winner, really really so soon or starting. Yes. Okay. I'm that that voice you hear. They're questioning me. Once again is my co host Jessica Lewis who may be slightly familiar with one of the returning players this season. I might be just slightly. And who would that returning Clare beat? He's my savior, David Wright. He's one of my favorite people ever love day. Yeah. We're gonna have a lot to talk about on relationship. David because obviously, I know his game play very well. Yeah. And you know, you said you have a lot to be thankful for with him. And I've been thinking about this, and I do too because I think we at least partially have David Wright to think or you being on this podcast if thinks. Yeah. Because if he played his idol on you, you would have gone out much or all I know in the no one would've remembered who I was and way. Well, also wouldn't have been a good luck. Quite honestly, insisting that, you know, these people weren't turning on you, then that's that's there was things that people did not see they did not what was going on with Sunday. But regardless that's the difference. So yes, I would've gone out much earlier. And yeah, you probably would have been like Jessica who we don't want her podcast. And also, quite honestly, you might not have been interested in being as active on social media. That's so so, well, you know, I kind of legacy now because I'm one of three people who pick the rock so I had to really own and that's what I've done. I've owned it. That's right. So thank you, David. Yes, e-. So we're both winners as far as getting so. And we also have David to thank for that. Incredible sound bite that you like to use all the time. I don't know what you're talking. Yes. You do. David n Michelle we can think the both for that. That's right. That's right. I played it for him for his birthday. I sent him a little video of it for his birthday. And he said, you know, that's still painful. That was the funniest challenge to watch. I would've loved to have actually been in the challenge. But obviously someone needs to sit out. So I did at least get to enjoy it. And that was pure comedy. Obviously, the viewers got watch it too. But to see it in real life, quite entertaining. Very very funny. Yeah. Yeah. And like you said it gave me the great soundbite to good sound bite. You don't have keyed up already. No. I wouldn't do that. I haven't been right about anything. Oh, give it time. I guess. That's right. And so if there are any newcomers to this podcast, and I hope there are they're probably scratching their heads. But you'll you know, you'll figure it out eventually and welcome to the podcast for those of you who have listened before. Welcome back for anyone new. Let me bring you up to speed here. And give you a brief history and summary of the podcast. So once the season begins in a couple of weeks here while really less than a couple of weeks. We will be here every week to discuss what each voted out player did right and wrong in terms of rules. I originally wrote way back after the first survivor season, and I've been updating ever since. Discussions about each player used to appear in my columns on the website reality news online, which created and ran for a long time. But which I had to close down a number of years ago. But then the column was reborn as a podcast with rob Suster Nino and me a couple years ago, and it might be more than a couple years ago. Now, I think we're we're we're past the couple of we're definitely into a few or several, and then we switched things up and brought you Jessica on board a few seasons ago. And that was such an unexpected ask I was a certainly not expecting to hear from either you or rob to say, hey, we were interested in having you joing kinda take over for rob. Which scared the bejesus Adamy because that's a really big ask right there. And I and I thought the world of you already. I really enjoyed your podcast. And I unfortunately was someone who didn't know about David Bloomberg until I went out and played survivor, and I really. I had known about David Bloomberg of four I played survivor. So people take note if you wanna play the game, you need to listen to this podcast because they will definitely help you do better for sure. Now's we'll Jessica. Thank you. I've learned from you, David. Well, you're the one who's been out there for thirty days. I was the boy that I wish it was thirty nine it should have been thirty nine. Yes. Yes. All right. So today, obviously, we're not going to do that. We're going to talk about the players that are coming up soon and make some predictions as you'd expect a preview show. We will also address how we think they'll do overall with some of the rules and discuss a few tweaks to those rules as well. But before we get to that how has your relatively brief winter off season than other than freezing cold insanely busy. I have been so busy with work. It's really been can't complain. I love my job, but just very very inundated with work, and it's it's just a constant presence in my life, which is fine. It should be. But when you have to bring it home and takes up the weekends. And now a podcast is starting which will also take my weekends. I think my husband. Is really excited about what's to come? I will I will continue to be busy. But yeah, I mean things things have been good. I really can't complain about much. I mean, I guess work is good because I love what I do. And it keeps me motivated and keeps me keeps me sharp. So that's okay. Yeah. Not board. Yes. Exactly. I mean, I I don't know. My job is one that obviously is is very demanding. But I'm certainly not bored with any of it. So yes. So it's everything's been very very good. And I hope the same for you. Luckily, this off season wasn't as eventful as the summer off season for me. No, no of big medical issues or anything, and I was very excited as people on Twitter. No to get a surprise gift from you in which you worked with artist and former player Erik Reichenbach does all the cartoons for even Fischbach's. People blog too. And so he the two of you worked together to create images representing each of the rules, which you sent me as an awesome poster. So again, people on Twitter you've already seen this. And it's truly amazing. I was so blown away by what he put together. I had an idea in my head of what I wanted and what I envisioned and then he sent me like his this like his rough draft. And I almost died. I could not believe how much he was able to fit and cram in there, and he made it look so great. And then we talked back and forth about some different images. Absolutely stunning. Stunning work love it so much, and I was so excited, and I couldn't wait to give it to you. It was so it was a long process. Unfortunately, I'm very bad at if giving because it's very slow. I think you're very good a pretty good history here. So I. Might be good at it. But I'm slow at it too. Because like I come up with an idea, and I'm like, oh that would be amazing. I need it in two weeks. That's not going to happen. So Eric was great working with me on it. And I was very happy to send it to you. And I'm glad that the response from people who have seen it is so positive because you know, maybe if they would like a poster we could work something out, you know. All right. So everybody, stay tuned for that or on Twitter and here on the podcast. I'm sure we'll have more information about that. Yeah. So definitely go. Check it out because it's it's really quite impressive. And I did I did need to have a place on the poster I thought it seemed appropriate. So I do have a place on the poster because an Eric understood. So. Well, you should. Well. I appreciate that. Thank you. So all right. Well, speaking of those rules, the new version of them hide old what edge of extinction survivor should have learned doesn't really have any changes to the rules themselves. Was nothing major. But rather has some additional explanations and examples for instance, I added mention of Jeremy from last season enrolling for one. Because of the way he not only wanted to wait until his tribe. Lost a challenge before strategizing? But he actively campaigned against anyone else scheming and called out people for doing so in a tribal meeting that that he pulled together. Now mind you could've used his behavior in many of the rules as examples of what not to do. But that's the one in particular where I mentioned him as an awesome. It was crazy. I also, you know, if I wrote rules for what not to do after the game is over. I probably could have used him as a prime example there. Yeah. So then in rule to added a discussion about big moves, and you could envision those as capitalized big moves when I was reviewing the rules. I was actually surprised that this wasn't already in there. Because we've talked about it so much here on the podcast. And so I just kind of presumed I had put it in at some point. But I hadn't and basically as we've said here multiple times just because Jeff Probst and production wants you to make big moves for the TV show. Doesn't mean it's actually a player's best interest to do. So if they want to win the game, right? And of course, that is the goal of the rules. It says at the beginning this is for anyone who wants to win the game. If you just wanna go have an experienced have fun. We'll still talk about why you lost right? So as we start getting to the players in a few minutes here, we're going to see several of the new newbies talk about big moves. Once we get to that portion. So something to keep in mind. Yes. And then the third thing was in appendix. A I added to the discussion of voting out the week than the strong in terms of the merge time because we've seen the strongest players aren't necessarily voted out specifically at the merge, but rather around that timeframe the actual merge vote recently has turned into a time to vote out someone easy much like the beginning of the game. And so it's more around the merge time rather than specifically at that vote. So so those were the most significant additions and. A new version. This new version should be posted soon, and that will appear at rob has a website that com slash survivor. Rules. So as we will discuss in a little while here. This is another thing that we're going to see I noticed several players talking about how they want to make those big moves that I just mentioned and be memorable. And I feel like this is a direct reaction to how laurel was perceived. God how many people mentioned her to? It was crazy because they had just finished watching ghost island. And apparently, they didn't listen to my explanations about laurels actions and just went with the group thing cancers. Instead so shame on them. They clearly listening to our podcast. Yes. But in any case, it will be interesting to see if people go far in that opposite direction because I think some of them too. I do think that a lot of the people that are coming into this game have this idea in their head that they do wanna be memorable. And they do wanna make this moves. I feel like this is there's a very there's a lot of really strong personalities here. So I'm fearful for quite a few of them that they are going to overplay. They're gonna come into strong too hard too fast because yes, they're concerned about appearing to be Laura less because there were so many of them that talked about laurel and how she didn't. She didn't make the move, and she just she waited too long. And and I I do feel. This knee-jerk reaction by quite a few of them that they don't wanna be that. So they think they have to be something polar opposite. And I do think it's gonna come back and bite white a few of them in the, but I really do. Yeah. So, you know, maybe a good timing to add that into the rules there. But you know, we'll see who these people might be as we as we move along here. So with with those preliminaries done, I think it's time to start talking about the new contestants will bring we'll begin with the comma tribe, and you can remember them. Just just think of the song, comma, comma, comma, comma, comma, camelia. So so. Someone put out a very good image of that is showing the tribe name multiple times. And then the chameleon so that's how because normally I don't remember tribe names this one I'll remind no it's it's so easy to remember now because of that, right? So, but but we'll go in alphabetical order by first name, but we're gonna start with the returning players. I it you're going bay first name to man, you totally screwed me up. Anyway. Oh, go ahead. I never remember anyone's last night. I'll be flipping so just be prepared. So the first one is Aubrey and she is a thirty two year old marketing manager, but of course, that's not why Renault her we know her because she played on Koa wrong and game changers. And. Just when we thought she was done with this game. She's back again. And I have to tell you. I love almost everything about Aubrey accept her love for astrology and repeated mentioning of it, but you know, this time she says she wants to have fun and be more open. But she also she's coming in as a threat now. I do think it's good that the last people saw her was game changers instead of Karan's. Yeah. So maybe they won't all have the mental picture of her as the player who should have one which a lot of people still think. But at least that won't be the first thought that comes to their mind, but. Almost everyone will know she's a serious player, and they need to be wary of her. And the question is whether that will mean, the others will immediately target her. I'm gonna say, no, I don't think they will. I think she'll get the benefit of survivor fandom on her side which will allow her to stick around for a while which could be dangerous to the others. Because if she starts making allies, it will be that much more difficult to get rid of her later. Yes. And I do think that her thought process coming into the game, I loved this one phrase that she said is that people remember how you make them feel not what you say to them. She's she seems to be focusing a lot on on how she can actually utilize her experience to help others and to kind of. Mother them if they need mothering or help them through this. I mean, I think she's going to utilize that as of really good strength and help people get through the game. I think she's really gonna be focusing on that at least that's what it sounded like which would be good for her. Because then I think people will kind of forget that she is so strategic if they just think, oh, she's really trying to help us, and she's really supporting me, and she understands how I feel and she's been here. She gets it. So I'm gonna listen to her, and I think that could work her benefit. Yeah. Definitely I I I think the most likely and for Aubrey will be if she gets stuck in a bad position on a swap tribe. I mean, she she might get love early on her own tribe. But if she's exposed in a swap, I think the others are going to vote her out as soon as they can. And that could be that could be a problem for her. If she loses some four people that really, I think latch onto her and and want to utilize her in that fashion. I mean, I keep thinking of Austin, rob when he came back. I don't know the twenty fifth time he played. And ended up winning. But he really had that like big brother persona about him. And he really wanted. He he didn't seem threatening to anyone because he wanted to help everyone, and he really took people under his wing, and I feel like she could pull that off. But yes, she's she needs to be able to hold onto those people that see that about her. And that realize that she's there or at least thinks she's there to help them otherwise. Yes, she could be on a tough spot. Now. I think one thing that's different about rob situation is most of the other players were not exactly players. So that's true. We have a bunch of super fans that he loved the game that that like we said wanna make big moves and be memorable and how much more memorable. Could you be unless you vote out Aubrey that could be your your one claim to fame is that you you got her out of the game. So I could see that definitely being an. Issue with these types of players. Yeah. All right. So we move onto Joe who is a twenty nine year old artists. But of course, we know him from worlds apart and second chance, and I'm not gonna lie at probably comes as no surprise. But Joe is not one of my favorite players when I saw the list of the four who are coming back. I was like, oh, I like three of them. He he's the one. I'm least excited about seeing again as a return. Joey amazing. Yeah. Okay. Listen. Breezy moustache so appreciation for that. No. No, I do think that Joe is. He's just he's one of those types of players that I think Jeff pope's really loves a lot. You know, the the the the man bun, and, you know, swimming in the fishing and the outdoorsy kind of person, and he's just he's he meditates me. He's just got that kind of persona about him. And that's obviously, I think character type that we see quite a bit on the show. But he's one of the ones that has escalated or has come risen to the top of that group. I think I think you know, Joe definitely plays. He plays exceptionally. Well, he plays very hard. He said this time is gonna play smarter not harder. So maybe we'll see a different Joe. Yeah. I mean, he says. I went back and forth. Looking at the preview stuff. He seems to me to be basically the same. Joe we've seen before which obviously isn't exactly compliment from a strategic standpoint when I'm saying he told AT Canada that he wants to make friends and have a great experience together. Hey, experience and friends. That because he doesn't wanna be seen as a threat. So he's trying to kind of balance that's not gonna change anything because he can balance things out, you know, in challenges balances, quite well, but he he he talks about being a lifelong fan. But I I still don't think he understands the actual game element. You know, he he did tell Josh some things that he should be saying about playing a better game. He he said he thinks he played emotionally, and he wants to make sure he's part of all the conversations and be very genuine with people. And that's those are decent observations. If he follows through with them. But then he went and put something in his bio that I simply cannot abide. He said the player. He's most like as a survivor player was Kim spread light did notice that and it made me chuckle now. No, no, he's nothing. Like Kim Spradlin as survivor player. And it makes me go back to questioning his whole understanding of the game unless he was joking. But I saw no indication there were some of some of the bios which will get two of the returning players were very amusing. Whether it was attention that his. He was trying to be funny. So so anyway, but with all this set. I'm going to say any tribe would be stupid to vote him out early because of his challenge ability. They should vote him out. Right before they think the merges coming or as soon as he loses an individual immunity after the March. Yeah, they're definitely gonna need him. That's for sure. So I do think that he's he's going to be in there for the long haul. He's gonna make the merge, but yeah, then they're really going to eat there. I on him. But again, we have players here. And I have to see who's. Okay. So I know we're probably going to get to Ron, but he might be targeted for other reasons because some of the things that were said in in the pre game interviews someone like Ron we'll talk about whenever we get to his name in the. I I know I'm being facetious here. But I I could be concerned for someone. Like, I really I yes, I think, you know, Joey, amazing might might have some issues when it comes to Ron. I'll just leave it at that. I mean, obviously the twist the season the edge of extinction the extinction island, which we really haven't brought up because well, I don't like it. Obviously is tailor made for someone. Like Joe really is. Yeah, you know, because even if he is voted out early for some strange reason, he'll probably just come back at the merge, and if he's voted out at the merge hill, probably come back final five or six or wherever it is that they're bringing back. So. Yeah. Is it possible? He makes it to the end by virtue of having won his way off of extinction island. Yeah. I think it is. As a matter of fact, I think that's what Jeff Probst is hoping for it is certainly not what I'm hoping. Well, it'll be interesting at least I want I want it will be annoying. I'll throw things at my television. Just please make sure you tweet about it. When you do his that will be fun. Well, it won't be fine. If I hit my television. You don't wanna do that? But yeah, this whole extinction island. We haven't really talked about. But I do. Yeah. You're gonna need some serious revival chops if you're gonna make it out there, at least from what we've heard about the description of it rather barren there's going to be much, and they really are going to have to actually survive someone like someone like Joe is certainly going to be able to thrive in an environment like that and other people probably not so much. So there is a good chance that this could definitely benefit him. Absolutely. Well, yeah. And. You know, I said before that I we haven't talked about 'cause I don't like it, and well that's partially true. But the main reason is it really doesn't fall into any of the rules, and it doesn't. It's just outside of the strategic and social game. Which is what we focus on. So. Yeah, we'll just have to see which I guess, you know, we probably should've put this in the preview. But what the heck I forgot. So we'll discuss it. Now people have asked. Well, how are you going to do the podcast, exactly? Because you know, someone may get voted out, but they may not leave for weeks. Yeah. But they voted out. Right. And so that's what we're going to do. We will have we will be here every week. I have heard there will be no exit interviews. So we will have one less piece of information to us. But we we will be here every week. We will talk about the person who got voted off. Yes. We will still be calling ourselves. Why blank loss because for most of them that will be when they lose even if they hang around extinction island for awhile when they got voted off at the sensually when they lose. And then if someone comes back on and they get voted out again, we will talk about why blank lost again. Yes. So thing is is that none of the players that are in the game. No that extinction island exists, and they're not going to know until they voted out. So all of the reasons until the merge, I guess. Yeah. Well, but I think that's when the first person comes back is the more. I don't know about that. But I could be wrong on enough, but see at least up to that point their decisions for voting. People out are going to be things that we would consider normally I guess after the merge, maybe the considerations will change. Yeah. So we'll we'll be here every week. We'll make it work. That's right. All right moving on after that slight tangent. There. We have the first new player, and that's my God. I can't believe he did this by first name always do it by first day, this is due. It's been a while. You know, I've been busy and we have to find her wherever she is should put tabs in my papers on my goodness. I have to keep track. Eric has he's coming up. Okay. There's there's Laura. All right. Good. So rural is a thirty two year old divert divorce attorney who really likes her job. Jeff Crowe told Entertainment Weekly that he thinks she is strong and opinionated. And one of those opinions is in her pet peeves list where she says she lists where she lists know it alls as a pet Pete now. Luckily, she didn't say anything about why blink loss podcast. So we should be. We should be. But. The more. I read and hear from Aurora the more I like her. She says she's going to bring her analytical, skills and the cheese. Good at going into a situation knowing what she wants reading others finding out what bribes them. And then manipulating the situation to make them think her goal is their goal. And she also told Josh that you can't force someone to play your game, which I think is very insightful because lots of people try she said you have to figure out how to get someone else to think your game is their game. Yes. Yeah. And that's like I said, I think that is very good planning on her part and good preparation to do the necessary scheming and plotting for rule one. She also has a lot to say about how she won't let her emotions control her as she told. Josh that in her job. She obviously can't get involved emotionally, which I think will allow her to be more objective here. She said she'll probably cry in the game. But you know. That's for other reasons, and she loves the cut-throat aspect of things the concern. I do have with her though. And I agree with everything you've said, I think that there are so many aspects of of her life that have prepared her for the game that she should do exceptionally. Well, but she does own the fact that she's very stubborn and she's very direct. But she also thinks that that will appreciate it because she's going to be honest about it as well. She has this idea that that even though she's machine might be saying something, you don't wanna hear you can trust me because I'm going to be honest with you. So I'm hoping that that doesn't backfire on her and that she's not a little too forceful and a little too honest where people don't appreciate it because that can happen as well. Yeah. She said that when that happened. She plans to follow up and say she handled it wrong and ask forgiveness. And that is also the part, I'm not thrilled about, but at least she has a plan to address. What she sees as a possible situation of her true personality coming out, right? You know? I mean, the other thing is she is. She said she's fine with being a villain and says the being villain doesn't necessarily involve being mean. And I read some of the players that other people think of as villains in this game are heroes in my book. Yeah. You know? It's just a matter of how you look at it. And she said that you know, people expect her to be ruthless. Part of her job, and she will be and I think this attitude could get her very far in the game as long as she doesn't blow up too much to repair. Yes. And that's that's the one insana have her. I love that. She is able to come into this aim to not caring what the world thinks of her because she's not concerned with she's like, I don't have kids, you know, my families find that might job all of that. And that is a huge weight. I think off of a lot of people shoulders. I mean when you play this game, you you do worry what the world is going to think of you because we all have lives outside of the show, and you don't wanna negatively affect them. And she's kind of like doubt. I don't care like it's not going to like, I'm I'm how manana I'm gonna play this game. And I do hope that she's able to play it the way that she wants. And that it's not going to be too over the top where she scares people and. Rubbing people the wrong way. Yeah. Yeah. You mentioned you know, that she doesn't need to worry about what other people think I think she said something that I I laughed that which was if she's too forceful and ruthless out there while it's like an advertisement for over job when she gets back of that. That's right. You know? I mean. Yeah, I wish I would have been able to have been that way. When I was out there. But you also have to remember where we come from. And what we do and for her. Yeah, that's advertising. So good for her. I like, our she seems like she's going to be fun, and she's also incredibly fit. So she'll be great in the challenges. All right moving on to Eric. Let's see I I knew to mind where he was. So he is a thirty five year old firefighter, and I saw he was from Chicago. And I got all excited for a moment. Because one thing that is hindering Chicago know, it alls live is not having contestants nearby because it seems like all the intestines from the Chicago area move after having been on the show. But then I saw he already moved to California. So that went out the window unless he's gonna make a return trip to visit him. Well, that's not helpful. Yeah. He moved straight out of college. Yes. So so in any case Eric says that he's most like Tony as a player because he will be grinding all the time and working all the angles, and I like the attitude, but there can really never be another Tony so Eric's going to have to tone it down from, you know, the Tony heights quite a bit for for that to work or else hill end up getting voted out plotting thing. He's not even a Tony. I mean, I didn't get Tony from him at all it, you know. But that's what he was saying. I know, but it's like, I don't know. I feel like if you're gonna be a Tony you're at Tony. You know, like like this is something you pretend to be like you have to lead up to. I mean, he was the most regular down to earth kind of guy and his interviews that I really I. I just don't see him pulling off Tony his he doesn't hit. That's not who he is. I don't know. I I I can only report what they said. Judge them mercilessly. That is true. But Eric is clearly a fan because he knew Josh from the wiggle room. And so, you know, maybe he listens to other IHOP podcast. Do I I r-. It worries me somewhat that he said in interviews that he didn't really know how he could prepare other than watching a lot. And to that I say, well, you listen this strategy podcasts. But but it least he set up some axioms to play by including playing to win. That's good and taking whatever road leads to the best chance to do. So. These may seem straightforward. But not everybody follows. And so it'll be interesting to see if he holds out. Well, I I do think that Eric is he's going to be an interesting player to watch because he did seem entirely said so down to earth when he was when he was speaking interviews, so I'm I'm intrigued to see if he's really going to kind of come out of his out of the shell. And really, and 'cause he says he wants to be a Tony. We'll see I don't know. I mean, the fact that he only watched a YouTube video on how to make fire and didn't actually try and he fast forwarded through the middle section because it was boring. I I have some concerns for him. But I do think he'll be an asset in the challenges for a while. So he'll definitely hang around. And I there was there was an omen about Eric. I have to share when I was in an omen. It was crazy when I was driving home. I was listening to. Verse one out, and it was during his interview, and he was talking about being a firefighter and all the things that means him and how much he loves his job, and and really going in depth with with what he does. And at that moment, I'm driving and there's an overpass and going across overpass is a firetruck lights and sirens going to wherever they were going to put out a fire. And I was like, wow, look at that. So it wasn't almond. So either I don't know he'll do really well or not. That's that's that's a good guess. Yeah. It could mean he's the first one out it could mean he's going to win it could mean absolutely nothing. But I thought it was fun. So I just figured share. So everyone just Mark it down. The prediction has been made. He will either do very well or he will not do very well because of the fire truck exactly because of the fire truck on the over this an I need help with these predictions. All right. And that one. Yes, I think you're you're you're going to hit one hundred percent on that. I know that one I'm safe because just means something. But I did think it was weird. It was definitely weird. And I do feel like Eric is one of those unknowns. Just because he really does seem so just kind of relaxed and mellow about the whole thing. And I just I don't know if he's going to get out there and just kind of play really relaxed and mellow and have people scratching their heads because they are such strong personalities that is going to be playing with they might love him or they might decide. He's not. Not helping them. I don't know. It's a really he's kind of an unknown. All right. So we move onto Gavin and you can start looking for Gavin while I. He's he's a twenty three year old YMCA program director and superfan. Who also seemed to know Josh. So again, if he knows Josh, maybe he's listening. So. He he wants to use his country boy accent to pretend to be honest. But he said previous country boys didn't have a strategic bone in their body. So he will combine first season JT. He was very clear about that with Stevens brains and and play up being a dumb hick while keeping his super fandom under rally. Wow. That I seem to recall a recent country boy who used his accent to put people these, but was also strategic and even when the do you remember his name? Oh, yeah. Neck. Now, obviously, there was no way have in would know what happened the previous season 'cause nobody had seen it yet. But I do find it funny that he described his strategy the way he did. So. We'll just have to see if he also starts naming his alliances. Oh, if he does that. That would definitely be crazy. Yeah. People would be like, whoa. What is going on here? But I think if he sticks to his plans he should do well in the scheming and plotting aspect of things anyway, I do too. And I mean, the guy definitely is someone I think to watch Jeff said himself that Gavin. It's still this game that he's I do think that he someone who is not going to be perceived as a threat right off the bat because he is going to have this kind of shocks attitude. But if he can pull it off. Yeah. Maybe we have another Nick on our hands. Who knows he's definitely someone that I was I was excited about I think he he's coming into the game, very prepared and has has a good plan in place because he has a plan that doesn't involve other people having to execute it with him like it's about himself and how he's going to put himself out there and hope. That he's perceived a certain way, but it's really just him having to do it. So I think it'll be it'll be good to watch. I agree, and I left it. He called himself. One of the words is hungry. Three words describe yourself hungry. He doesn't know he doesn't know hungry me out there yet. Yeah. You will be hungry. All right moving onto the next one. We have Julia who is a twenty four year old medical assistant who watched survivor as she was growing up. And by now, she's in medical school. I have a good feeling about her can't necessarily explain why. I just do. She says the player she'll be most like, Jeremy which courses a great part shoot for. And she talks about how he was strategic and his use of idols loyalty, his alliance and overall honest and personable in his gameplay. One thing that worries me is she said she doesn't want to ride coattails or not play the game. And she's there to change the game. Well, okay. Yeah. Jeremy obviously wasn't writing coattails. He he was wearing the coat. But he was also there to win the game. Not changed the game. Right. So this is one of the people that we had alluded to earlier, I'm a little worried. She could end up trying to make a big move that doesn't work out and will end up talking about how she schemed imploded too much. She's definitely got a very strong personality. I mean, she she believes the her social game is going to be a great social game. And that people will definitely come to her, and she'll be able to utilize her work in the medical field to like if people to understand what she wants. But yeah, if her if her focus is about. Not just playing and not just trying to win. But having some loss in effect on the game of survivor that could be that could be disastrous. If it goes if it goes poorly. So, you know, hopefully, she'll realize she's out there. That's not as important because you know, barring that I think she'll do well and her favorite survivor season was millennials Janet's. So who who was they don't list favorite player. They just say who you're going to play like so she was asked in one of the interviews like what was your favorite survivor season? And he was the one that millennials are act. So yes, I was good for her. So like like you even more now. So that's good. All right. Well, next up is Julie. And really they put Julie on the same tribe as Julia you couldn't split them up here. You know? And it took me a little while to realize that there was a Julie and Julia I was like, oh, wait. These people's because someone else texted me and said have you seen Julius Twitter, and I looked at Julius Twitter. And I went you I seen it the, you know, what are you? What are you saying about? Oh, no sorry. I meant Julie's. And then it turned out. He wasn't he he had the wrong with her account for Julie as well. But it was really confusing because we had to go through this like pre time. Yeah. It takes a little while to realize that there was duly. Julia. Yeah. So anyway, Julie is a forty six year old toy designer originally from Baltimore who actually has a school connection to my sister-in-law, though, my sister-in-law is younger, but she grew up there as well, and Rosenberg which, you know, this is the only time I'll mention someone's last name. But it is Julie Rosenberg that's my wife's maiden name. So I pretty much have to root for Julia. There is no choice in the Julie Najibullah. Julie. He said, Juliet is it I did not I have to route. Listen, it's recording. You can go back, and listen, I have nothing. Julia. We're talking about Julie. I'm rooting for Julia to but I have to Purdue. Okay. I really, okay, we keep listeners will know better than I do so been anyway. Plus, plus Julie Julie has been a fan since the beginning. She originally applied seventeen years ago, she seen almost. Every season more than once. So all of those are good signs for. Here's what I find. Most fascinating about Julie. In addition to the fact that the reason why she said she was going to win survivor is because she is the least likely person to winsor. That was amazing. I think they're only works on all star sees. But that was that was a great answer. She sounds just like, Michelle. It's gerald. Well, someone else said that too. They said she I think Josh said that on my worst one out where he said cheat. She looks like Michelle FitzGerald in. If she was time shifted. She definitely she sounds like her. So I'm concerned that Aubrey is gonna like have flashbacks or something. They voted you out can't handle it PTSD here. I I was I mean, I think Julie seems like she's going to be very enjoyable. I am concerned for her being the she's older woman on the tribe, and and sometimes that can definitely be problematic. But I think she's probably hoping that she and Audrey can in jive in that Aubrey doesn't look at her and go my God, you sound like this. I don't know if she will. But yes, I I know Josh mentioned it and then as soon as I heard her speak. I was I was floored at how much she sounds like her too. Yeah. Now, Jeff Probst gave Entertainment Weekly a bit of a spoiler by telling them. He thought Julie would have a hard time based on what he saw in the marooning. And I can't remember him ever talking about like anything about the game. Having started in these preseason interviews, but he he said that she needs to find her footing and slow down to let others make their moves. So they don't see her as the older woman. But then he also said something about how she should take on the mom role. When of course, the mom role is the role of the older woman. So just being a little bit contradictory. Well, and he has he did talk about how the new players responded to seeing the returnees which really fascinates me. And I'm going to go off on a little tangent here. Sorry, julie. But I'm curious because the new players were talking about also there were sixteen players. And so they thought there was. Four more coming. But there's only fourteen so I don't know how the math is getting all skewed. But but they kept talking about there being, you know. Anyway. But the how do they actually keep them all separated because if you think about if the returning players never got to see the newbies, then they're kind of I think in disadvantage because you spend that time upon Rosa kind of studying people and making terminations about them and kind of making a connection with people non verbally. And if they don't have that time with them, it seems kind of unfair. Well, you know, I guess they just wanted to keep it as a surprise. I I was under the impression that the to returnees on each tribe. Didn't know who the other returnees were either. I think they kept them all separate. And that's what it sounded like as well like Kelly talked about David David talking about Kelly like traveling together. So they they definitely kind of kept that separate to to me. I I don't know. I mean that was that part of the game. Even not hasn't officially started. Yet does really have an effect on on who you into plane with because you have a chance to really make observations of people and really try to understand how people are and different things. You do when we hear this preseason interviews, and oh this one was cutting in line and was being mean to the staff and people take that into consideration. And so if you don't have that I feel like it's it's just it's not. Fair you're not an even playing field. But then again these are returning players, and they're newbies. But still you you miss that that time to really assess people. Yeah. Although if it were up to me, everyone would be kept separately, and it would be a shorter Ponderosa. I mean, I don't really know everything they do their beforehand, but if it were up to me. Everyone would be basically in solitary confinement because I don't like watching a game where certain things happen. And we're like why does this person hate that other person all of a sudden you later find out because they cut in line food ten. Oh, yeah. No chestnut. And it has nothing to do with it robs talked about that, you know, in the pre-game that someone was running up and down stairs pissed off a member of the tribe before the game even started. No, let's let's keep the game in the game. And so that's that's my vote. But of course, my vote doesn't matter. I do think that it's one of those unexpected hearts of survivor like you don't they don't tell you that. That's what's going to happen before you go out there. And then you get out there. And you're with these people John allowed to speak to these people, and nobody knows when the game is actually gonna start. So you really have no idea like how long I'm I going to be sitting here. How long do I have to destroy at this person and not talk to them? And you really have no clue when the game's going to start. And so it's it's a very strange environment. And it's a strange thing to be a part of because it obviously can have an effect on the game that you play later. But yeah, I agree because it's not part of the game. And it's not something that is seen on TV. So it can be confusing for people. But I don't know. It's it's obviously they have a reason for why they do it. But yeah, it is. It is rather lengthy that's for damn sure. Oh. Or getting back to Julie, Joey. Happens. She told Josh that she thinks she can handle the challenges and the social aspect she feels that she's likable and not in your face and she'll play the game with both her brain and her heart, and unlike Eric she not only watched video, but she has fire making down after practicing at home, and she isn't coming in with specific game plan, but just expects to be flexible, which obviously is good. And she said she doesn't feel like a cut pro person. But she's not there to lose. Yeah. I do like Julie. I think that she's she seems rather laid back. But also she understands where she's coming from when she's walking into this game, which I do appreciate it. When people can look at themselves and know where I'm coming from. And how is this going to fit in with the people? I'm playing this game with. I like our. So now we get to the ours. Thank goodness. You telling me. Yes. That would be Ron Clark. And the only reason I'm mentioning his last name is because he is a forty six year old. He's still impressive. He told ET Canada that people have told him to let the game come to him. But he knows he's aggressive and in that vein. He's going to try to get in the lions on day one and hold it together till the end, which is an element of the first rule as long as he doesn't overplay it. See? But he's he's been watching since the beginning. He says, he's a competitor. He has practiced past puzzles by freeze framing the TV and printing them out like Spencer did. But he also knows that if you own tier for the puzzle and you fail it could be quite bad for you. Yes. Absolutely. And he's the one that I feel like is definitely gonna be gunning for Joe because he did say that if he could bring three things to the island one of the things he wanted to bring was returning players. So he could target them. And I was like oh my God. He is idea what's actually happening. Because again, we talked about how we don't think that they've actually seen any of the returning players until the game starts, so I feel like Ron I don't think he'd go after Aubrey right away. I think he would be more inclined to go after Joe just because I feel like that would be more of an aggressive move for him. And if he wants to play aggressively, which sounds like he's an aggressive person, and he is very aggressive movements. I don't know if you notice that when he talks he was aggressive about it. But and he three words describe himself includes mean girls, so I just I could see that being his goal is. I'm gonna get Joe. And I feel like that's kind of seep into his mind, and that's really gonna drive his game. Because he he said it pre-game before he even knew what was happening. Well, if he if he does I mean, we talked about it. I don't think people are going to go for Joe early. And so if he tries to take. That path. And no one follows him that could be bad for. Yeah. I completely agree. Like, I feel like it's going to become almost all consuming for him that like that's what he's gonna wanna do. And he's going to want to take Joe out, and maybe Aubrey because you know, she's also returning player. But yeah, it could be could be very bad for him -absolutely as a matter of fact, I feel like he might go early. And I'm not sure if it will be overplaying due to volunteering for the puzzle after all or something else because he mentioned that he got seasick, but he was hiding it. And you know, they spend a lot of time on those on those boats. I do do if he gets sick on the boat to the marooning or to or from a challenge, it could look like weakness to the others, and he's already the quote unquote, older guy, even though is younger than me. So. I worry about him. Oh, I worry about him too. I mean, this is a guy who I said he's impressive individual his what he's done in his life is incredible. I just absolutely amazing with the school. He's been able to create in everything that he's been able to do with that. But yeah, I do have some legit concerns about him playing this game. Because I think someone with such a strong personality like his where he really does kind of take control. I mean, look at look at what he's created. And it's it's this incredible school, and he has all of these students that look up to him and all of these people that look up him and got Oprah Winfrey thinks he's amazing. You know? So I mean you like that's the person that you're dealing with. And he might not be able to keep it in check when he's out there. So I worry about him. I really do. I think that he might end up just kind of becoming he's he might come onto strong. And then if he starts talking about voting out Joe early on or even Aubrey. And that gets back to Joe Aubrey it could definitely backfire on him. Yeah. I agree. All right. So we move onto the final person of this tribe. Someone who is half age of Ron and Julie. And that is Victoria twenty three year old waitress who says her personal claim to fame is that she was valedictorian of her college with a perfect four point. Oh GPA and she brings it up in conversation as much as possible. That seems odd for a waitress. Okay. Thank you. You said it super Cuba come on. You're a waitress and had a four point. Oh, valid tornado college. What's happening? I didn't even know colleges had valedictorians first of all maybe at small colleges. Do I went to a big college? And so my son's so remember did we have any? I mean, I only had one in my law school. There was valedictorian. And I don't know if she's listening, but she gave a horrendous speech. It was not impressive. I'm just saying. But the guy who was a curve for this. The guy who was president of my law school graduating class Eva phenomenal speech because he was like funny and personal in just a great guy. Not like a super book brainiac. She was a super book brainiac not that anything's wrong with that. But anyway, I'm. Digress. I mean, obviously, I guess if you have a perfect GPA that automatically makes you validate for in. You know? True. But like I said I anyway, talking about it just just seems odd. But. Do you work that into conversation? Right. Yes. So what you have or for lunch. Oh, you want. The you want the hamburger would you like four point? Oh GPA with. Oh, sorry. No. I had that. It would be funny. That would definitely be funny. But yeah, I I was quite baffled by that myself. So, but she she has Boston terriers. So I I love her for that. Because he likes dogs, and she has terrier. But anyway, well, anyway, I hope she doesn't bring up being valedictorian in Fiji because I just can't imagine it will win her a lot of allies. But yeah. She's been a fans, and she was six years old. She wrote college application essays about survivor, and she did say, she smart enough to know that without alliances and bonds you will never win though. She's not afraid to lie and backstab which is good news for her in the rule number one area. Yeah. So, but, but what worries me is here, we are again, she told Josh she wants to be a memorable player and not boring. She wants to make big bold moves though, she says she won't go guns blazing and doing stupid things right away. But she's basically suggesting she may do it at some point which raises the usual rule to problems and the big moves problems. We were just talking about. Yeah. She's one that definitely has a very strong personality and I- I- fearful that she is not going to keep that contained and keep that in a box. Because obviously someone who is obviously very proud of herself. She GPA if she feels like bringing that up in conversation is something that she should do. And she does it as often as she can. I can't see her containing her excited nece and her desire to play the game. And wanting to make these big moves and tell people what to do that's kind of the perception, I get from her as she's going to be a little too much a little too fast and a little too soon and someone like Aubrey probably not gonna like that very much just guessing. So in addition to everything we've talked about already Victoria told ET Canada that she went back to rewatch seasons to pick up good strategy. So that's a good thing. And she looked at the first people voted off for many seasons to see why with the revelation that they were mostly annoying. So hopefully, she will see that. And not be that. So I guess we'll just have to see on top of that. She practiced fire and balance, and she even read how to make friends and influence people. But considering what we were talking about. I'm hoping that the review of earth's boots will will help her the most. Yeah, I mean, she did say that she believes he's going to be good socially. And again, she mentions needing to build a resume. So there's that idea floating around out there, but she wanted to downplay her being triple threat, and I'm going to say gonna go there laurel, that's what she said about herself. She was a triple threat that she brings all three things that people need to win this game. And I think it was beauty bronze and brain. That's what she referenced. Oh, I thought she was a singer a dancer an actor. But that was exactly what laurel said about herself before she played the game. And I think laurel is a great person. But we've already talked about laurel little bit. And you know, laurel called herself triple threat before she walked into that game. And I don't if you are looking at yourself and leaving so highly of of the factors that you bring into this game that make you that triple threat. I don't know if you're you're overshooting your. Yeah. I it just seems to me like you have to maybe a little more like Julie where you're like, you know, I'm going gonna win because I've not the payment person that usually wins. Because because then you're expectations are not so high going into the game. Like, I'm this triple threat, and I have to win. So I have some concerns that she might she might come in a little little too fast. All right. So looking back at the comma tribe. I would say that. I'm most worried about Ron as potentially being the first one out how about you. On this tribe. No, I think it's going to be Victoria. Honestly, and Ron was my second. He was my backup. And the only reason I didn't end up picking Ron is because I'm thinking the tribe is going to be interested in keeping him around for challenges. Because he's he might I don't I'm saying he might be stronger, he's a taller guy. So that might there might be some benefits for them in the challenge is keeping Ron, but Ron was definitely on my list of potentials, but I'm more concerned about Victoria because I just feel like. I don't know Aurora has a strong personality. But I think Aurora is going to play it differently because it's like ROY is going to own it. She knows that about herself and she's going to own it. And she's going to utilize it in her gameplay where I feel like Victoria wants to downplay the fact that she's a triple threat, so she's not she's not going to be owning it in the sense where she's just going to be like, well, this is who I am. And I just have to try to downplay it, and I don't think she's going to be able to really put herself in a box and keep a lid on it. I think the Tori is gonna have she's going to have some issues because you've got a Rura you've got Aubrey. And you've got Julia who are all very strong players, and I feel like they are not going to necessarily appreciate Victoria coming out of the gate like that. But I could be wrong. Obviously I've been wrong. Oh, no. But yeah. But I do have I do have legit concerns or Victoria. All right. Well, now, it's time to move onto the Magno tribe. And I do not have a song for the Monir tribe. I do have, you know, I'm I'm more from orc monumental. That's the best I can do there. And so we're once again start with the returning players. And then we will go in alphabetical order, but because you're in charge of this tribe. On my last name, also. We're going to kill her same. Lutely. So we're gonna start with Kelly want worth the returning player and see now I'm flipping because she's actually at there, we go I found Kelly. So everybody knows Kelly probably hopefully thirty one year old previous returning player from Seattle. She was on second chances. And I'm going to say this wrong. San Juan del sur say it. Excellent. So I think she's more known for her second opportunity to come out play the game her she and her father played together on the first time she played and it was a little bit of a rough go for her because she was playing with her dad as much as she loved it. I think it kind of held her back a little bit. But she came out strong on her second chances. And I think if she had to the end, she might just have one, unfortunately, she does not like games that involve all and if you've seen the season second chances, you know, why? So yes, she's she's got some issues with that. But she knew about David being returning player because they had seen each other. She was she sensed that. There was going to be two more returning players, which I thought was interesting. She's already got a good read as to what's actually happening. And she looked at the fact that she's a returning player that there are some advantages and disadvantages to it. And I. Kurt the disadvantages. She points out or something that I have a concern for all of their returning players is the people have seen her play. They know how she plays. They know how strong she is. And how she's willing to to play the game? And that she's a little bit concerned about that. So I think she's hoping to switch that up a little bit. And and treat her returning as a benefit for these players because they can utilize her expertise and what she's learned from the game in order to play with her. And she's also willing to play with David which I thought was great. Kelly is the main one that I was referring to earlier about or whole bio is just amazingly funny. You already mentioned that one of her pet peeves is games involving balls. Oh, other the other was unseasoned rice and people who think they're basically bad as and then the there was a question of why do you think you'll survive survivor? She was like, well, I made it today. Thirty eight I'm pretty sure I can make it one more day. Then how we got to mention this too personal claim to fame Wentworth as not and I say eight more times. That was amazing. I have to say this to she was in a fantasy draft that I was in last season. And the name of her team was went worth does not count. Thought was so great. So yet, I mean the girl found to idols was at two in one season. I believe it was two that was obviously an incredible move. When she pulled that I'd allow and nobody saw coming just really a great player. Just really really great player. And I think that it might be a problem for because clearly people have seen her in know that she is a great player. Her name did come up at least once or twice by other players on this tribe. They really like her so, but because of that I don't think she'll be an early target. I think that it would it'll give her time to get herself into a good position which she's going to need because she has always played from the bottom. Yeah. But now she said she wants to be in control. But again, she smart enough to say, well, I don't wanna be the top person. Maybe the second person. And I think that you know, she's well set up to do that. But. Of course, her try mates would be crazy to let her get to fuck. Yes. And I think she's going to be in a very similar situation where we'll get to the merge now the problem too. Is there could be a swap? And if let's say all four returning players magically make it and they all end up swapping in the end of together. Crazy. I mean that could happen that would be an sale. So there's so many unknowns into how the game is going to lay out and who's gonna end up where but yeah, if she ends up making the merge, and there's other returning players that made the merge, I think that's really where they're going to come together and start realizing we've gotta look out for each other. So, but yes, she it would be a ridiculous move for them to vote her out really because she will certainly be an asset for them. Yeah. Yeah. All right on to the next one. Yup. David, right. If it right where I heard, you know, think you might have heard it during Molyneaux versus jenex or maybe during the early part of this. I was gonna mention that too. Yes. So David Wright is forty four years old. And I love how he describes himself OCD, nervous and paranoid, and I speak from direct experience. Yes. That is exactly how he comes across. I do appreciate that. I was too. I was included in two of his best survivor moments. Top three to top three saving me with an idol and going to rocks. Thank you so much David Wright. Going to rocks. But yeah, I do think that David I've described him as a Kaiser so say he is definitely someone that used his OCD and nervousness to his benefit first time he played the game. So I do have concerns for him that people have already seen that. And he won't be able to use that to his benefit at this point. Because he shocked us all when he was out there playing with us because the first few days, he was neurotic, he was searching for Eitel's he was spastic and kind of all over the place. But I think it was part of his plan. It was all part of his plan because he'd get into tribal council, and suddenly he became a maniacal genius. And it was it was a complete flip. So I don't know if he's going to be able to pull it off this time, but he does have a phenomenal plan about creating a fake soul vote advantage with the I guess. The the theoretical power of cancelling tribal council, which if he can actually find parchment and something to write with. I don't know where that's gonna come from. But that could be super fun to watch def to that. I think it's a great idea. But it's a lot more difficult to pull off just a fake idol. Oh, yeah. But here's the thing with David if anyone can figure it out. This guy was true. He's true ridiculous. And he's been practicing fire. Now, this guy is already incredible Maki fire and now he can make it and under twenty seconds. He said, so that's truly impressive. I mean, we know David will implode he'll make good use of idols advantages. We know he'll do wellness social game all of these to me are foregone conclusions. And that's why I have to say that if this tribe doesn't immediately vote him out they are putting themselves in danger. And that's what makes me so sad because he is not like, I mean, he's been practicing puzzles and figuring out more strategies and the like, but he is not the type of person who you would look at and say we need to keep him around for challenges like the other three returning players. Yeah. And. So I mean it pains me to say this. But I think the other players have to vote him out early or else. He's gonna get his hooks into people, and he's going to be there until they remember what a big threat is. And by then it may be too late. If he gets to final four he wins the game, I believe because he will make fire, and then he'll be filed three and that'll be the end of it. And yeah, I love to see this happen. Sure. I would. I mean, I if I already didn't love him for who he is. He said that one of his pet peeves is people who believe in ghosts and psychics, you know. That's that's awesome. And I feel like I have this memory that he had that in his original bio two, but who cares? I enjoy seeing it again, then his hobby one of his hobbies again out how to live forever. I just think the others will be smart enough to not allow him to get very far. And it would not surprise me. If he's an early boot. Or just this seeing this is what I'm so worried about for him because I want him to win so badly because a love David I and I didn't give them the legacy. So I all him. Bruce seasons. I know. Right. So, but yeah, I do feel like, although when it comes to challenges if he's so good at puzzles like it sounds like he's legit been practicing and memorizing puzzles that he would be beneficial IPE around because if he's great at puzzles, then you we all know it comes down to the puzzle. So you've got a good puzzle maker he would be beneficial for them. So I guess we're going to have to kind of see how the first few days lay out like, yeah. I mean with so many like hardcore fans knowing the kind of game that David can play. I'm so worried for him. I'm so worried. It makes me sad. All right. Who's next up in the in the last name alphabetical the last name alphabetical order. I think we have to go to remake Daley. Okay, now ream is forty six she's from Fairfax Virginia. And she's in sales three words to describe herself, inquisitive, two nations and energetic. And I do think that she's gonna be it's gonna be fun to watch. My social game is amazing. And although I am honest to a fault. I know when to chill like she just doesn't sound like a forty six year old mother of three. But she does she does seem to have somewhat of a plan coming into the game. I loved that. She said this. I don't want to be relevant. I thought that was incredible. Because all ready talked about people in their big moves, and I want to leave a lasting impression on the game. Not her. She respects the game and she wants to make moves, but she also understands her personality and. So I loved that she recognized it and was like, no, I don't I don't need to be relevant, which is great. So I think that that could work her benefit. Also, she gets along with the younger crowd. Really, well, and there's quite a few people on her tribe. So that's something that that I think could benefit her. And she also is more interested in actions as opposed to words, you know, actions speak much louder than words in her mind, although she is worried about her own mouth. So that's what I was waiting. I mean, what did she tell ET Canada? She worries about her own big mouth. Didn't she say she got kicked out of a gym because she got pissed about not losing enough weight. And you know, so. Yeah, I mean, she talks about all these things. But then you have this other side. I know and she said something about cheat. She thinks that people respect honesty, no matter what. But no, no, they don't tell ever gonna get. Sorry who's named right down next to that? What do you think Natalie? I wrote Natalie down. Yes mouth. She's honest. She's not a good liar. Sometimes people need to hear things that no one else is willing to tell them. That's what she said. When interviews like someone from your season. But it's yes. So I think that's going to be a problem for her. I think that she's definitely gonna be biting her tongue and not being in a good position. When it comes to that until she gets angry like everybody does and she can't control it. And I'm afraid that her social game is gonna fall to pieces, and she'll be voted out at that point. Yeah. No. I definitely I mean, I love that. She said the I don't wanna be relevant. I love it. But if you can't control your mouth, let me problem. Yeah. I think next we go to Dan the war dog the war, Dr Silva. Yes. The war dog. This guy is a trip. He is so much fun. He's thirty eight years old. He is currently living in Los Angeles. He is in law school right now second you're lost. But he's former military, which I'm so impressed with this guy's like where he's been throughout his life. I can't even I'm not gonna take off all the jobs that he's had. But he's been in the military. He's done multiple tours. Just at the war dog had to I think speaks volumes of of how much that matter to him and what it meant to him. But he's he's interesting because he talks about this persona that he has because of the war dog perception of him that people are going to look at him. And they're going to to actually see something that he's not and I see a very similar, Tony. So when we were talking about Tony earlier, I can see Tony. But he's he recognized that about himself that people will perceive him in. Certain way, he's not going to let them know that he's in loss. Also, they won't know that he's as intelligent as he actually is. And that they can kind of use them as vote. So I think he's going to play up that, you know, Tony or Dominic aura of about himself and not let people know just how smart he actually is. And I also like his idea that really nobody cares. What you do pre marriage. And that's a good thing recognized because I didn't really recognize that. They came. And it's a good thing to know that like, you know, what you can kind of sit back and chill a little bit, and relax and kind of take everything in you don't need to run the show too soon. And you can do that later. So I think that he's going to be he's going to be fun. He's definitely gonna be fun to watch. Yeah. I agree. I like the, you know, talked about not nobody cares. If you made a big move on day six, but. One thing that I noticed one of the different jobs. The had was he was a professional poker player for a couple years. And I I see a symptom of that when he says, he's not afraid to make a big move. Even if it could lead to him getting the boot, and I see that as similar to to a certain type of tournament play because the big prize much like survivor is heavily weighted at the top. Yeah. And so there are a lot of poker players tournament poker players who don't just want to move up to get more money, some do, but some want to go for the big prize in first place, even if it means possibly getting booted and getting nothing instead. And this brings us back to our big moves discussion because the problem, I see is that going for broke usually is unnecessary and leads to going broke. So so I worry about that for him. Yeah. Yeah. But with that said, I feel like his strengthened challenge ability will probably keep him around until you know, that around the merge timeframe. Yep. And but at that point, he's probably gonna get targeted. You know, he he says a lot of the right things when talking about players whose games he respect the most. But he he said, he's person and great. I just don't think that person can win because he looks like too much of a threat. And I just don't think anyone's gonna let him get to the end. Yeah. No. I mean, he's in the the other thing too is military is not necessarily going to work has benefit because if someone is in the military people clearly recognize that that person is strong that person has been through hell, and and come out the other side, and it's the it's the Ben syndrome. Yes. And so they're mentally strong physically strong. And and my goodness. They've. Given them their life for the country. You know that kind of person sitting in the final three. Yeah. I mean, that's not someone you want to sit next to because that's when you wanna give a million dollars to because they deserve it. So I do feel like playing up the military heart of him. It's not necessarily going to help. And maybe mentioning, hey, by the way, I'm in law school. That's probably gonna not. So I don't know. I mean, it's it's a tough. It's certainly a tough situation to be. All right. So next. We have Rick Devon's, and he is thirty three from Virginia. And he is a morning news anchor. I very much enjoy Rick Devon's he has a fantastic idea. I'm gonna jump right to it. Because I just think it's so much fun about if he's on the chopping block is running up to somebody getting caught and then running away. Genius. I'm like, why didn't why don't more people do that kind of like setting up the other person, forcing them to have to be honest. And then making it appears they're lying. I just thought that was so much fun. He definitely seems like he's going to bring a lot of fun to the game. He's got a big personality. He realizes that. He's not the most physically fit amongst the men, but he does plan on working with the men which could probably benefit him considering there's a five or advantage as far as men versus women on the tribe. But he then wants them to all target each other. So they'll focus on the men, and let them fight it out, which I thought was a good plan have as well. And let's see he's, but he did say he was going to try and tone it down because he doesn't wanna be annoying person. Because that's the person voted out. I so he again, he sees that in in himself that is a little bit much. He can come on a little strong. But all. Also, I love that. He has a news anchor recognizes that he has an ability to meet with people like on their own earth and ask them questions and know how to connect with them and make them feel comfortable enough to answer his questions, which I thought would be a good thing for him to be able to do. He's clearly a good communicator and his whole job is reporting the news, and you have to be able to build relationships and and get people to open up to you in that field. So I think that that would beat his benefit as wellness game. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with everything you said as soon as I started hearing him reading about him everything he just seems incredibly personable. I liked him. Immediately. And he's a survivor fan. Even if he can't tell you what everybody did in every season. Yes, that's fine. He's still a fan. He understands the game. And I think with that combination of likeability, and the type of sneaky issue mentioned, I think he has a solid chance to win. I'm so excited. Yes. I definitely. Yeah. He's I I really think he's got a great shot. Let's see read Stephen King. I mean, come on guy can get any better. I really like. Yes. I think he's. Definitely contender huge contender in my book, which is really bad for him. Then because of I. In trouble. All right. So moving on then to Wendy the as who is twenty five years old from Los Angeles. She's a small business owner, and she is a little bit concerned about getting too close to people. She doesn't wanna be touching people which might be problematic. When your huddled in a shelter. And you're freezing cold new trying to stay warm, but she did a lot of prep coming in. She's very good swimming rock, climbing is fitness, but she's also gonna drown like die out Nyland. So she's kind of mixed bag. Also, she I think runs at about one hundred and fifty percent. You can like the energy level on this URL is like through the roof, and you can actually like I don't even think I could keep up with her. I wanted she's talks so quickly and so fast. We might miss half of what she's saying when she's out there because it might just be too quick. And too much. I I'm concerned about her energy level. She seems super sweet and likeable and and just like a fun fun person. But I'm also worried that she's going to be one hundred and fifty percent, which is out there super energy super excited and might just like wear on people very quickly. She said she wants to go slow at the start and play a little dumb with. Okay. That's fine. Especially if she slows down from one fifty to one hundred percent, but she wants to be the puppeteer while other people think they're calling the shots, which sounds just like several other players we've either already discussed or will be. Discussing shortly. So we'll see if there can be that many puppeteers, you gotta have some puppets along the way to the thing that I found interesting was that she hates quitters and says people shouldn't give up when the going gets tough. So we'll see how that plays out if she ends up on extinction island. You know is she with or she going to tough it out. So yeah, I mean, I I'm just I'm fearful that she's just going to be she's going to be a lot for people. This is a game that. Your personality can wear on people very quickly, even if it's on a bad thing. But if it's just too much of a thing that could be that could wear on people. And that's what I worry about for her. I mean, she's very proud of of her personality. She wears a necklace as big Wendy. So she knows that she's got a very big personality, and I just hope that she can tone it down a little bit. I hope she can because I think she'd be I think she is she'll be fun. She'll definitely be fun. But yeah, might be too much too soon. Too fast. All right. So let's see then we have Lauren O'Connell who is twenty one years old and speaking of perky and the. A lot. My goodness. Yes. So she is currently a student will not currently she graduated from Baylor University. She's very proud to say that seven days before she went out on survivor. She does believe that she has an ability to endure extreme physical battles coupled with desire to throw herself wholeheartedly into adventures and challenging situations. She wants to be an orthodontist she is going to be heading in that direction, and she graduated from Baylor. If she says, amazing or yeah. One more time. I'm going to be able to handle it. But she did also have a Colby and Tina Hannan Barbie doll when she was growing up, which was a cute little story. She's a huge poverty fan and thought because poverty was cute athletic. She could be the same. I really don't know what to make this girl. I really don't like hard of me really likes her in them part of me is like I don't know like, she's clearly, very smart and very athletic. But there's but yes, there's a lot. There's a lot happening here. There's definitely a lot. Yeah. I was the same way. I was going back and forth. The, you know, just like. I don't know what the thinking here. So I mean, Jeff Probst told Entertainment Weekly that she is a big threat to win because she's physically fit smart and has an intangible likeability. And yeah, that all seems true. And and she she told us she can be sweet and loving and she'll be adaptable aka flexible anything the game can throw at her. She says she has a plan for a spectacular social game. Yes. And Tatchio she insists it cannot be beaten which is to allow people to feel like they are in charge while ensuring that they are important loved in valued all while. She is masterminding moves in the background. Remember, I just said we have a whole bunch of puppeteers season. She's one of them. So she thinks it can't be beaten. Well, maybe not. But it can be matched. You know? So plus there have been other people who have tried this exact plan and not all of them have one. So yes, it can be beaten, and she might be a little starstruck. Because she loves Kelly Wentworth too, right? So if she's on Kelly want worth tribe, which she is I don't know if maybe that's gonna throw her off a little bit. Who knows? Yeah. Yeah. And then just one final thing that I have to say, she said, her pet peeves are people who are intolerant of someone else's personal opinions and beliefs and people who choose twizzlers over red vines. So I'm going to double peeve. Her and say that she is wrong for opinion about red vines is wrong. I agree. Twizzlers are amazing. Oh, and she also described herself as a three prong threat as well. Which is the same thing, we talked about ready with Victoria, where it's like, I appreciate people that come into this aim recognizing things about themselves, and that they've got good qualities, but you also have to recognize your bad qualities, and I feel like she's someone that believes so highly in herself, and and that she's going to be so great at this game that she might get lost. Because she believes that she's too good witch. I'm gonna go back to Rick Devon's for a minute. Because Rick Devon said he he hasn't set his expectations too high. Because that's the best way to be. You don't set your expectations too high. Then you can actually chief more basically because you don't have these hires by patients, and I feel like that's something that might cripple her is that she has these very high expectations. So I don't. But again, I it she's just one of those people that I really hard read on because I. See her doing exceptionally? Well, and I could see her annoying the crap out of people at the same time. So I just don't know where it's gonna fall. I really don't. Me neither. But she's it'll be it'll be interesting. So we'll see. All right. So now we're gonna move onto heath. So well, I believe his last name he is nineteen. So he's the youngest of the survivor castaways is from North Carolina. He is also a pre med student. So we have a bunch of people who are pre-med at least two that are pre-med one's going to be an orthodontist. We've got the law school student. We so we have a lot of people that are like very highly educated. He said that he is going to use his age his benefit that was interesting kind of be like a little brother to people and almost use it to downplay himself, a don't think that he was going to really tell people he's pre med student. But maybe he was I can't quite remember. I don't know if you remember him talking about that or not, but I do respect his approach to life. He said that he didn't have a lot of things growing up that he really had to make things happen. For himself. He's a lower class in black, man. I wasn't nurtured to be the salutatorian of class. It wasn't able to afford university. I didn't have the bloodline of doctors to show me how to succeed the finances, take prep classes for educational opportunities. So he really had to make that happen. And I feel like someone like that has a really good head on their shoulders because they haven't ratio Asian for where they are. And how they got there. So that might bode well for him. When I saw that. When I saw that. I was like, whoa. Wait is is this David and Goliath again because that sounds like David store does sound like David story. It really does. And so, but I'm hoping that it benefits him. But on the flip side, he's not a person who camps. He's never been camping. He's never slept outside. I don't do the whole outside thing. A little bit worried that he might be outside of his element. I know that a lot of people come out on survivor, and they don't they know they're not the outdoorsy type. But he was very clear that that's not something he's a fan of. So I don't know if that is going to affect his ability to play the game because it's rough out there. But search raining it's cold, and it's it's crappy is real bad. But you really have to be able to to handle it. And so I don't I don't know if that's gonna be an issue for him as far as the weather's concerned. Also being the youngest person. I don't know if it's going to work the way that he wants to I really don't. Exact-? That's what I'm more concerned about. I'm less concerned about the outdoorsy stuff. More concerned about his age because he said in interviews that he thinks he's experienced a lot for his age. And as the example, he talked about how he learned to be a social person as an RA for freshmen, and I'm sorry. But I just don't think that really covers all the bases. He'll need. I. I feel that he's too young feel. He has two little life experience and know being RA for freshman is not give you all the life experience, you need to deal with people on survivor, and like so many people his age he thinks he has a lot more experience than he really does. I just I don't think he knows what he doesn't know which is common for that age group, and I should know because he's the same age as my my youngest, son. Well, actually, well, yeah, I guess he's the same age my younger sons about that. But birthday, so but. Yeah. So I just. Him. Yeah. I worried you're him too. Because I feel like he might he might butt heads with people because I understand this idea that he can use it to his benefit, but he's also premed. So the guy's very smart. So I don't know how much he's going to be able to really with that aside last. He is I believe is a youth pastor as well. So again, I feel like there's going to be this weird kind of jumble where he's a very smart. He's a youth pastor so and then he's nineteen. So there's all of these things that are kind of. I think a going to work against him because it's just such an interesting mix because personality types that come with each of those things being the youngest survivor being a youth pastor and being premed, I think could end up negatively affecting him. I agree on right? So now, we go to Chris under word Underwood, excuse me. He is twenty five he is from South Carolina is a district sales manager. And this guy is also one of my favorites is so much fun. He's a door to door salesman. Which is interesting that they still have that nowadays with Amazon and all that stuff. I was impressed. But he's like one of the top. I don't know like is leading whatever businesses. He's older. Solar. I think he's in the solar business. Okay. So he's done. Very well. Which is great. I also love that he came in to talk to Josh singing one of the wiggle room songs and his he's been courage. You'll be singing the y blank loss theme song. Right. And when Wigley and he were chatting, he said that he was cursed because he's doing it for Monica, which I also appreciated greatly. But he did I think this is so good of him to understand as well that he's he's willing to be very flexible because he did say that people call him, the golden boy, and that he's got to figure out a way to bring it down a few notches and to be a seven. I don't wanna be a superstar. I'm trying to just be a seven and have people trust me right off the get-go, which I appreciate that. He's recognizing this about himself and that he's trying to figure out the best way to present himself. So it doesn't work against him. So I think that's a good good idea for him coming. Into the game is he's clearly done some self reflection. And let's see what else fun things that we can mention about him. Let's see. Well, you know, he like you said he used to be a dive instructor, and he going to be focusing on that. So that he can just kind of be the nature boy, you know, making fire fishing building a shelter cooking cetera. And he said he expects to be safe for the first few votes, and I would agree with that explication. But. Bringing it back to the golden boy thing he's a little worried that he already has that hard on his back. So you know, he he pulled ET Canada that he wants to get an alliance with loyal people who won't vote him out right away. Which is obviously, very smart. Well, maybe he should look at David Wright. You know? I mean, David Wright and Ken hit it off. And Ken was the provider. He bring the fish and that everyone and did all the cooking. And maybe Chris could be David rights. New ken. I don't know or he could be as new Chris because he has a history of aligning with people improve. That's true. So I do think that he's he was he was a pleasant surprise. For me. I wasn't expecting to really enjoy him as much as I did. Just listening to him talk about his his philosophies on how to play the game. So he'll I think he's going to be fun. And I do hope it would be nice. If he in David get together is that the last one is goodness look from from the monarch tribe. Who do you think could be the first one voted out? You know, I struggled with this. I definitely struggled because I love love reim- thinks she's great. I'm nervous for her. It's between her and Keith I think is what's going to what. Down to our put it between her and David really, oh, I don't think David's going right away. Really? Well, let me put it this way. If he doesn't go right away. I blame everyone else on the tribe. I think they have made a mistake. Well, and here's the thing. I. Agree with that assessment. Because I've seen the guy play. And and I have read I love, David. Don't get me wrong. I love that guy. He clearly saved me. But he is someone who we were all considering for the first vote just because he was so spastic and all over the place, and we didn't know where he was coming from. And I ended up having that conversation with him like make a deal with you, give me your idol. And he's like, I don't have an, you know, just turned this whole thing. But it's one of those things that he got away from all of us because he just he got his momentum. He kept an every day. He got better and better and his ability to play that game was so fantastic that yes, if they let him stay around too long. They're all going to be very sorry for it. But I don't think vulne amount right away. We'll see. So I guess we can we can slide right into predictions and start since we were just talking about who, you know, might go first from the monitor drive, and we had already talked about the comma tribe. I think I'm gonna go with Ron as probably the first person getting the overall, really. Now, he was the first one on that tribe. So it was either him or remorse. David. So I may say, although really I think I don't know if Joey amazing let any, you know, try blues, but it, you know, it's possible in the puzzle or something, but yeah, I'm going I'm going with Ron overall. Well, and I think after flip back to my picture now here, so I can look at everybody. But I I do think that the the first tribe that's going to go to tribal council is going to be. Compound with. I think it's going to be I think it's going to be that tribe. And I think it's going to be Victoria. I need to say that I think she seems like a like a really sweet person. And I think that she's she could bring a lot to the game. But I think that's going to be hurt. Her problem is she's going to bring to much to the game. And there's gonna be some personality clashing there. I just I saw I feel Victoria. I don't know. That's just what my my senses are telling me, that's where your spider senses are thing. That's right. All right. So as far as a winner. I I know that returning players often win seasons like this. But in this case, I alluded to it earlier. I feel like the other players are smart enough to know that they need to get rid of the returnees as threats and after going through all the players. I narrowed it down to two I think are most likely to win and those are Aurora, and Rick, and I am really torn about which of them I should pick. Because Aurora seems to have more of the drive and the scheming while Rick looks to be an excellent social player, and I really went back and forth on this a lot. And so I'm just going to go with my initial gut reaction, and I'm gonna say a roar wins. Really? That's what I'm going to say. 'cause I say Rick wins. Good thing. We didn't pick the same person. I was I was like no we can't do that to me. That's hysterical. Because I think ROY is awesome. I wanted to pick David, and I'm gonna put this out there. I wanted to pick David so badly because I want him to win. But if he does it I agree with you. It's because everybody else screwed up. You know, they they let him hang in there long enough. And he gets to the final four he's winning all day long. And I do think that I agree that normally one of the returning players in the season like this is more likely to win. And I was really thinking that maybe Aubrey could pull it out because she seems to have a personality she could mesh with people and kind of kind of work her way into the end without people really realizing who she is. Because of how she's going to present herself. I don't think she comes across as threatening as as Kelly in Joe, my just physically like they they have a presence about them. Her presence is different. And like. You said I think she's coming off a season where she wasn't kind of in control and wasn't about to win. So that might work her benefit. So I really thought that she would eventually be able to pull it off. So she's like my backup. So I, but I can't have a backup, obviously. But I know there's something about Rick that just really I think that guy's rate. I just really think he would be so much fun. He reminds me very much of Brett and just how likable Brett was even though he and I ended up not jiving out there. He was still enjoyable. He still has enjoyable to this day. So I think that yeah. His social game would would would get him. They're gonna have a good feeling that we'll see on CBS again. Sometimes I think so. Oh, that's funny. All right. So there we have it. So I guess as we wrap up here. 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"If you. Law servive her in your feeling down. And Jessica. Around. They'll greg town. Sandwich Show you how Zane your salad and. This is blank locks. Basis Bob Line. Welcome to this week's special edition of why blank lost as we discussed season, two episode, two and the vote against cal I'm David Bloomberg with me. Of course is my co host Jessica Lewis. Back Hello. We're here once again. As part of the special, rob has a podcast off season series looking back episodes from the show. We have loved for two decades. Yes, so long and so exciting to go back into. Twenty years of our favorite show. It's so much fun, yeah! now. Last week's podcast was special because it was the very first episode of survivor. This week's episode is special to me. Because the very first article I posted on my Reality News Online website was why cal lost? Nice I like this so I had of course been writing about survivor before that. But the website where I was posting, them crashed and burned because the company spent all its venture capital Now I thought coming along with a number of other people who are writing on that side. And worked with a different company that was creating websites, and thus reality news online was born with my column Cal as the very first new article that I posted there. I'm learning so much about you by going back in time and re watching these episodes. I learned a lot about you last week and now this week I'm learning this. This is great. It's like David. Bloomberg Discovery Channel of. The history of David Bloomberg, I like it. Now just because I wrote about why cal lost once before doesn't mean. This is going to be me reading thousand nine year old article to everyone. I'll be mentioning that article for my thoughts from the time but we've started from scratch using all the available information. I will admit I, do believe. I'm staying consistent with my original article as so I went back to call my notes Scott Ready then went back and read my old article. And I saw a lot of the same notes that I took where the same things that I mentioned at the time. So as always, we will examine. How did in comparison to the rules? I originally wrote back after season one and have been modifying ever since which is another reason. I can't just read you my article from the time because the rules have changed since then. Anyone who wants to check out the most recent version of the rules can of course go to rob has a website dot com slash blog slash rules. or You can get shorter and much more colorful version of the rule in poster for. At. Tiny Url, dot, com slash David rules poster to yes, and please order I will get that to you I promise you. The Shipping Department is up and running if you were outside of the United States, just contact me through twitter. Twitter handle is here. I can make see this. 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Yeah, because we saw Lindsey beat Dennis Carl the first time Samburu went to tribal council in So if only, and it would have been survivor Sharia between the people that were tied. Superbowl Trivia not four Trivia yes, Survival Trivia with people that were tied right right, so maybe they shouldn't have gotten rid of that right now. Survivor. So it'd be changing the rules all the time. I well, there's only so much survival trivia to go around so. You'd have people studying that. Instead of you know. Maybe maybe that'll be the next final four. Instead of fire making we'll have final four survival trivia. Kind of be okay with final four survivor, Trivia. Oh Yeah. Then, the super fans have an advantage that's very true, but that will never happen, and then they'd probably just vote out all the super-duper fans, instead of saying he could beat me a fire. They'd be like. -Vivor Trivia or Adam Klein of the world to be a lot of trouble share. You'd have to really hide yes. All right so speaking of being in a lot of trouble. I want to address the accusation Jerry leveled against cal regarding. The supposed- beef jerky before. That I yes, because it doesn't fall into any rule. Not For cal. Unfortunate. Into your shirt, and maybe just I mean I. Don't just is listening to what you were talking about and. I'd have a snack while you're chatting. Viewers. So you have beefed. I. Legis. Yes so now so like I said you know. Jerry! Jerry was the one scheming and plotting here, not cal but. She made this accusation which like I, said I i. still maintain was a false one. Wow! Get in on this. When? Like right now, because were like he didn't have it is. Okay all right. Okay, okay. Batum prosecutor I got plenty of evidence I would love to see the receipts. Let's go so. I will say it's not clear to me if she purposely made up ally, or she really thought she saw something and then just refuse to admit she was wrong. Because besides what we saw of her whipping, the rest of the tribe into a frenzy that ended up with them, searching the bag. The cameraman also searched cal himself and found nothing. Okay okay obviously wasn't enough for her. I know that. Rob mentioned it a bit on the wiggle room and said he'd heard from those who were there, and they still say cal had something like beef jerky from amber and Mitchell and some of the others, but let's recount what actually happened. Jerry made the initial claim. Okay she saw him eating just like you're. Several others did not then say yes. We saw him eating beef jerky. They said they saw him chewing something but. Koby is the one who actually designated as beef Jerky wasn't Jay. She was describing a brown. Substance. She described it and then you know he just. He just designated at that way now. Some people have called it a Granola bar although I think granola bar probably would have fallen apart, so if in this hypothetical world there actually was something. Beef jerky makes the most sense. Okay So Jerry made the claim. The others didn't say at the time. They saw him actually showing down like you or they just saw him chewing something so. If, they then said as rob pointed out years later when they were making the DVD or now if they now say, they have now changed their story and say yes, I'm sure that's what it was. Okay, that is false memories. That is a change in your memory. Because you've been retelling the same story, but you go back I'm pointing to my TV lately you go back and look at my TV. You go back and look at that scene. They didn't say that only Jerry was the one who said she specifically saw him holding and chewing on something rest just saw chewing motions. Okay. So I. Don't really you know. Everybody's GonNa say Oh, you're accusing them of lying. No memories do change okay okay. All right. Beyond that. If Jerry saw him specifically with the supposed- beef jerky. And other saw him chewing something. That means he would have to be so stupid. that. He not only led Jerry see him, but he chewed contraband in front of the others as well. So this lends credence to his statements about Charon, grass, or plants, or whatever else because he wouldn't have thought anything of that. Whereas if you're going to. If you're going to be hiding contraband and eating it. You're not going to do in front of people well, but the Jerry ever say that she saw. I believe she said she saw him walking in the distance and was chewing on something or something along those lines, they didn't sound like he was sitting in camp, chewing on something and of everybody openly, but the other said Oh we saw him chewing, too. And then there was a scene near the end of the episode where they were going through the quick clips of people saying this is going GonNa vote for etc, and if you watch, they pan across and he's sitting there chewing. He's just. You know just like nowadays. People have their toothpicks. He was chewing on something he C-. He should have followed the lead of the toothpick people. Accused him, anything toothpicks I'm telling you that. I was doing that to those a great. Detail so. We're here. There's more year. So. As. We'll discuss when we do get to the rules. Kell was often separating himself from the group. He went out fishing alone in the canoe. He was wandering by himself. and again this adds evidence against him having beef Jerky. If he wanted to make sure no one would see him eating it. He would've taken it out with him on one of those trips because I'm pretty sure. In those days they didn't have a cameraman always with him like on a canoe or on wandering trip, because they didn't have idols or anything, so there was no need to follow someone as they wandered off into the forest. And and that's why the cameraman had the search him, too. Because obviously, they hadn't been filming him the entire time. So where is that coming? Found at the cameraman searched him. It was in one of my old interviews. Okay and it was a reference that I made to something to a prior article. So it wasn't just necessarily coming from him. I believe. If my memory serves, and this is a nineteen year old memory here. I believe that is why he ended up coming back to camp and saying so I. Hear that. Because when she leveled the accusation, the cameraman pulled him aside and said okay. We have to search you. It wasn't that. He truly wandered by and just happened to hear her talking. If my memory serves that that's let me and. Stuff like that happens on survivor. You know that. I won't let me let me just jump in here if I can has I didn't read anything anywhere that the cameraman searched him I know that there were searches conducted before he went out on the island, and I can attest that is absolutely what they do. They search you before, and I'm going to say a couple of things before I get into the second part. When they searched him before he went out, he was allegedly trying to smuggle. An extra pair of sneakers according to. Other cast members and that they had to actually take. Where do you hide the sneakers? Boy? That must've been a well in his bag. See then. This is how I think things have changed now what they do when you're going out to the island, you don't have access to any of your things. You will have on the island until you were going to play the game the morning that they woke us up at two o'clock in the morning. To say okay, you're starting the game today. They then send you one by one to put on your game close which they have taken from you, so you have no access to your game close, which means you can't manipulate it in any way. So I think used to happen. Is People had access to their game close they had access to. They brought their own bags with them. Survivor didn't provide them bags, so you could put things in your bag. That were approved, and hence he had razors. You talked about the razors so. Yeah right that was his I think that was his luxury item way so things have changed where you got to bring your own bag in with you, and they would search your bag before you went now. What they do now is they. Search your person before you go out to play the game at -solutely, but I think back then they would search your person in your bag, and then you go into the game and. The story is from various survivors that he actually put an expert sneakers in his bag after they had search is back or something. I don't know if that. So There was some. Some concern that he was trying to bring things in now. Did you also hear about the airport? The airport and Jeff Varner There's a lot. There's a lot of t out there. Okay, so here's. Here's my receipts all right so. When they were at the airport. He was actually stopped by customs because foreigner or cal cal I'm sorry. Cal was stopped by customs and more than one survivor can attest to this. The men and women were split up and the men were together and they actually he was stopped because he had. Bags and bags of beef jerky that he was trying to bring in to Australia with him, and so he was stopped by customs and the beef Jerky was taken from him, so that was one component of the beef jerky and then. Make it that would therefore explain where Kobe came up with that then absolutely, but then the next weird component of this is Jeff Varner. In one of his interviews, said that he actually observed cal sewing something into the hem of his clothes, and then when cal saw this close the door, 'cause he was in his bunker, whatever and he closed the door, so varner see him doing us, so that was an interview from way back then. And I. Guess if you're a marine, you are trained to sorry. That was my microphone salmon cans you are. Part of your training is is how you can so things into the hem of your clothes, so you can utilize later captured or whatever it might be or if you're just stranded you. Have you have food? And so there was this theory that because he was a trained marine. He had sown. Beef Jerky into his the ham of his close now if he had his clothes, his game close going into the game. then. There's a possibility that he could have been doing that if they didn't take their game close from them, so all of that being said. The whole thing about production searching him when this came to light I, question because in an interview with Jeff probst from e W. he actually said. Oh, I think he had beef jerky on him I mean that's what Jeff probst said Jefferson, my gut with what I heard what I'd been told. I think he definitely had beef jerky on him. That came from Jeff probst, so if they had actually searched him and the camera. People didn't find anything I think Jeff. PROBST would have said I had my camera guy search him. They didn't find anything instead he's like. He had beef jerky on him, and that came from an e w interview with Don Ross after this at all come so. I mean nobody really knows for sure. Obviously, except cal CAL's only one really knows, but it's interesting that there's all of those other layers to it as far as what Jeff probst set, and what happened with Airpor- sneakers, and and you know so who knows? But I feel like if Jeff probst isn't even. Defending you have to wonder if happened, let me counterpoint Jeff probst. Because you and I. Both know now I'm not putting words in your mouth because I don't want to get you in trouble. But. Let's just say I. Know then. Has, said things in interviews that are not true, oh i. Survivor looked at. And I agree if there was this man who was in the armed forces who was run out on a rail. Because of allegedly having beef jerky. And Jeff were to come out and say. He didn't have anything. It would make the show look terrible for not stepping in and stopping people from doing that. But I don't necessarily agree with that I feel like it's the opposite. I feel like if Jeff really wanted to protect the integrity of the show, he wouldn't have said people try to smuggle things in all the time and try to sneak things in this survivor. It's a game. It happens I feel like he would've wanted to protect the integrity and say absolutely not a chance that he could have gotten anything by our production team, and there was no beef jerky on that guy I feel like that would have been more protecting the integrity as opposed to yeah, no, I think. He had beef jerky because I do think. That they've changed their method as the years have gone by as to how they go about searching people what they allow in the game what they will actually get involved in I. mean production doesn't get that involved in any saying that occurs I. They're very careful about not affecting people's games negatively and I. I highly doubt if she was leveraging this story. Does she made beef? Jerky that production would have gotten involved in searched him because I feel like that could have. The game itself and I just don't see them actually doing that. Taking that step all getting themselves involved, it was from an article that I wrote back at the time. Right? You know so at the time. I had sources that you know that said that. My recollection is that's where he found out that he was being accused of this, and that's why he came back right, not just happen to be wandering by and Oh, I heard you accused me of having beef Jerky I'm eating center. which was awkward scene when you watch it, you know it's all you've heard that doesn't really it doesn't make any sense now. Awkward for sure so. To my mind, Madam Prosecutor. In any way shape or form? There's enough evidence here. Especially if camera people really did search him. I'm curious about that I would really love to know if they did search him out, and also just from a logic standpoint like I said he would have to be so dumb. When he's out there. How many times did we see just in this episode? He's out there by himself. You know he had all the time in the. Where there was no chance someone could see him. Oh, for sure I. would he be chomping on something where other people can see him, but I also feel like sometimes. People can find themselves in situations where. You. This isn't this is not anything. Anyone is accustomed to when you were out there playing this game, you're not accustomed to camera people following you around, you're not accustomed to people whispering and you and I mean it's just it's a whole different world, and so he who knows if he just got distracted if he didn't realize that someone's going GonNa pay attention to him chewing something I. Mean it's it's so i. don't I. Don't know I mean it's. It's a much different. Environment that you might not be accustomed to, and he maybe didn't think anyone was going to assume that he was eating food if he was seen chewing something. In military intelligence which I. Will say is you know? Two words don't belong together, but. As a joke people. But. I just can't believe he was that stupid. He was a captain in military intelligence. And I don't think it's I don't think it's stupidity. I think that it can be more of being very. Don't know what the it's I. Almost want to say like you kind of get caught up in yourself. And maybe he just thought I'm so much. My if I M in counterintelligence. Okay like that's his thing and my military training should allow me to be able to get away with this. Maybe he just thought that he would be able to hide it from them because of the training that he's received. If you are going to say if you're ballsy enough to so beef jerky into the hem of your close your ballsy enough to then try to eat it and suspect that no one will find you. No one will catch you because that's a very risky thing to do, and so clearly if that's what he did, I feel like he'd be more willing to. Take risk and to take a chance because that's a huge risk to take in and of itself, see I think it's the opposite. If you have gone through so much trouble to hide it that you sat there and showed it into your him. No one would see it. You're not going to whip it out in front of people and start chewing but I don't think that's what he did. I think the way that Jerry described it. was that happened to see him when he was walking somewhere, trump saying he was within visual range of her. Maybe he didn't know she was there. Yeah, I mean. He had so many opportunities when he was off by himself. Maybe he ate all the beef jerky time they searched him. Listen planning it is poor. Planning I just I, just I. Think it's very interesting. The lead up to it, and that all of these other things transpired and and Jeff probst coming and saying what he said I. Just I just feel like it's. It's an interesting conversation. Clearly I don't know if he actually had it or not. I'm certainly not saying enough evidence to show that he did, but I question a lot of what occurred and and I know listening to rob talk about the Amazon was at the Amazon. No Amazon yeah, no, no! No nobody was all stars because he was talking about Richard Hatch, and A particular item that Richard Hatch Smuggled in to. All Stars and. Production didn't say anything about it. Production didn't get involved so I, think they. I think they might have gotten involved, but it wasn't part of. It didn't come out in the game. It came out after the show was done. So I I feel like that would support the production, not getting involved because they don't want to affect people's games. Argument Okay. I still I still think that he did not do it and it is also very interesting to me as we'll find out and I. don't want to jump ahead here, but he was alone out there. Oh, fish, interesting that they blame the loaner. Oh! Interesting that Jerry of all people came up with this. Because Jerry's hands are not clean in any way, shape or form in survivor. Cited did not to go on a rant about my feelings on Jerry. Overall suffice it to say i. have never been a fan, but anyone who read my articles in reality news online does. But It's a matter of fact. I even got into an argument with Adam Klein about at one time. But but It's all these things. Just add up to me and we'll talk more about the loaner aspect shortly. now I love you Jerry. I think you're. I don't love Jerry. Don't drink. We're disagreeing a lot of assode. There's no we're not. GonNa eat more beef jerky. You do that while I. Tell people that don't don't. Don't turn off the podcast after our conclusions, I know sometimes people are like Oh conclusions are over there just GonNa, talk about subscribing and stuff like that I can turn off the podcast, but after the conclusions are over, I also had done several interviews with cal asked his season was over, and while they didn't necessarily ask a whole lot to the game aspect of things. I'll give a rundown of some interesting information from those interviews at the end. Let me guess. He told you he didn't eat beef jerky. Discuss it in those interviews. So the beef jerky well, because by that time he had already addressed it, so there was these were. Further on down, they were they were longer. You'll have to stick around and find out we just twenty five minutes talking about the be, and you didn't even ask him about it. Well I mean I'm I'm point I? Asked him about it and he denied it. You know just like. Everybody else. was going to suddenly come up with a revelation and David. Tell anyone. But actually. Turkey. Have Been Fascinating could've pulled. Chest on my gosh. There's very interesting stuff there, so don't don't shut it off after the conclusion. Stick around to. Yes, you stick around. So that okay, let's I mean we're. What are we twenty five minutes into this? We have to the rules yet. Turkey that's right. And you were telling your husband. You'd be done in an hour. You did laugh when I said that. Now. I know yes, so anyway the rules. Cal came into the game from the military, and he was clearly prepared for the physical aspects of the game. He also studied the first season and believed he was ready for the strategic aspect, but nobody was ready for the likes of Gerry was. Beef Jerky accusation that did him in or was there more that surrounded the whole situation. You probably already know the answer to that, but it's time to revisit everything leading up to the vote and figure out why cal lost. Amazing all right so the first rule then now always is scheming plot. We saw cal telling us that he had an alliance with mad. Dog Antena Against Jerry. This went along with what he said in. Survivor to the field guide. See You came with props to? I came records Jerky right now. I should probably explain just what this book is. It is not like. This book which we talk. which we talked about last time. Okay because this was a review of. Of what happened in that season? This was published before the season was complete. It might have even been published right at the outset. So it didn't go into what was happening on the show. It talked a lot about Australia survivor. Overall a bit about each contestant even had. Never took it out, but the official field guidemap. Subas. Random things that, but I did not I didn't know. Oh I forgot to mention that part. Okay, Quick Tangent! We did find out. I did do people on twitter already know this? But speaking of the books. We I did do a book review. Of. This book. at the time for my website and I noted in their the poor grammar, the poorly written sentences and some of the contradictions. And so looking back to last week's episode, where some of the highlighted passage or sentence, while sentence fragments were poorly written, and you and I were joking about how maybe I was just highlighting the stuff he wrote poorly. It turns out. That might have been true. That's. Yeah that's. Yeah! So part of that mystery, maybe self. Anyway. Getting back to. This book. So like I said it had. It had all that stuff and it included some the. About each contestant. Now the that part is kind of like all the pre-game interviews we get now from Dolphin and Gordon and formerly regular. All combined together in one passage. So cal. said his plan was to choose alliance within the first three days and stand by any agreement he makes. That parts smart and goes along with my advice and averse rule about making an early alliance. His problem was that they were not as loyal to him as he was to them now in my original column. I wondered if he really did have an alliance, or it was more one sided with him, promising one thing, and then just nodding along noncommittally. Looking back now with the experience of having watched and studied forty seasons. I would tell my former self. I do think they had an alliance I just think the two women saw which way the wind was blowing and realized three's not a majority, so they jumped ship in a hurry. And you know in the end. It seemed to work out okay for Tina. Yeah I do think that if if it was becoming so obvious that he was kind of isolating himself from the group very early on which it appeared that he was then absolutely, those ladies made the right decision and saying now we're going to go over the majority as opposed to. Attaching ourselves to him, but they at least didn't tell him that, so that was great, because they keep him thinking that this is what they were doing. And he was committing himself to them, and the three of them were going to vote a particular way, and he even said that that he that's what he was doing. He promised them on day one he was going to. To vote out Jerry and that's what he was going to stick to. That was the plan, so he did at least come in with a strategic idea of how he wanted play the game, but unfortunately and other people were being very strategic at the same time and playing him at the same time will they were making better moves for themselves moving forward. Yeah, yeah, and. The, main problem like I, said threes non majority I e, he needed to be making alliances with a lot more people, but he wasn't because he wasn't even hanging out with more people like you said normally, we would wait until rule five and you'd say Oh, I want to talk about this and I said No. No, you gotta wait. Jump ahead and jump right to that rule because of the interplay here. And, of course, it's all for you. As. A, even though you know what I should have moved back down because you disagreed. But I know we're GONNA. Right now find so the fifth rules. All about social gaming reminds players. They need to pretend to be nice. Kale. Did Not have the greatest social game. We've ever seen I wrote out some notes about it. Now in watching it, but then I went back to my old column, and I realized it would be easier to quote myself. So I said at the time. Cal knew he was having a hard time fitting in with the rest of the group as such, he should've spent more time trying to bond with them instead of going off on his own to try to catch fish or walk around the hill or whatever. I separating himself out like that. He didn't give himself a chance to stick around. He did however give the others plenty of opportunity to plot against him. So the guy who wrote that he definitely knew what he was talking about. Definitely guy sounds like he should make rules for survivor I know. and. We saw others. Going together to play in the water and bond and you know. Colby criticized because he couldn't fish a rubber ducky out of a bathtub. Josh and ROB. ON THE WIGGLE ROOM! It was. Awkward Annoying. Whatever to see CAL getting mocked for trying to feed the tribe. He was trying to help them, and they're making fun of him right, but that's the problem when you go off by yourself. Kelsen on the show I may not be the most talkative one I'm a very quiet person, but he needed to get past that. Yeah and I think that this shows the the problem that was early on in survivor. Was this idea that it was also about survival? which it still is, but I think now there's a realization that nobody cares if you're getting food, appreciate. Appreciate it. Trust me I really appreciate it the people that were going out fishing, but it's also not necessarily going to help you win the game. You're feeding your tribe, which is wonderful, but you also need to remember that you're there to play a game and those are the people you're playing the game with just feeding them and I think cal came into thinking well. I'm going to I'm a survivalist, and and this is what I can do. I can provide for them without realizing that there's more to it than just that and I think as the seasons have progressed. We've seen more and more of that realization. Come through that it's not about who can catch the most fish. It's about who can create the best relationships, and if you can catch fish on top of it awesome, but you've got to be able to do both. And he clearly was missing that second component right now. He said you know he tried to learn from Richard. Hatch which is smart, so he knew he had to form an alliance we discussed, and he thought he had to become a provider because remember Richard was a provider right? Back in those early days like you said, lots of people thought that way, and in fact, the seventh rule at the time said providing food wins allies, so even thought it back that. There's reason that rule dropped off. You look at these posters It's not there. Because players learned about these exact types of situations. Mitchell said at the time cal was the fishermen of the group, and it seemed cal. If he caught something, then he would stay longer, but he wouldn't have. Because, cal separated himself from the group. he gave up on social bonds to try to provide food, and as he said after the Jerky Gait discussion. I will now leave you guys in peace. And then he went back to fishing. He left again. Yes, yeah, that was the problem problem. Was You weren't there? So you were an easy target and then you left again? which I think goes back to what I said. Awfully coincidental that. Jerry. Who is targeting? Says the CAL is the one who had this beef jerky and Kelly is also already the outcast from the tribe. Yes and I do think that he's been described by a lot of people who played the game with him as a loner, socially inept, I think was another phrase that was used to describe him Thank you for that Colby. It's I. Do think that it came across even before the game started at least from what I read with with various interviews. He sounded like he was distancing himself even early on before they even got out onto the I. Don't even want to call it an island, but wherever they ended up the outback. If you will so I think that there there is a realization now that the game starts before it even starts, and again I think that this was this season to this is new. And I. Don't know if he really realized how much he was. Kind of damning himself for an early vote out by how he was behaving, even before the game began. Now I will tell you. He did know that the game started before it started, but he thought. It was. It was just the the alliance situation I'm looking to see. CA- somewhere in the here. He said that. I don't know it was in played it. No I didn't highlight it, but it's in here somewhere. Oh, here it is posted now here's. I'm going to have to decide. Who are my allies, and who are the people I can trust and we're going to be my enemies. I've already started playing so this is in the interview phase. Right when we started to do the interviews you walk by the contestants and you overhear conversations I've been taking some notes. He knew he knew the game began before the game began, but he was still only thinking about in terms of alliances, not range of smiling at people, and that sort of thing. I do think he tried to pretend to be nice. He just wasn't up to the task even when he offered his razor to people. I have to agree with Jerry. It made him look guilty. Gog List guilty. I don't think he was I just. Think. It made him it didn't help. He just had problems with social interactions with this group of people. Now I do agree that the. The razor certainly added to his appearing to be guilty as most people wouldn't offer up something else. If they're being accused of something they didn't do, and it'd be like Oh and by the way here, let me give you this to try to gain favor. It was a poor attempt to remedy the situation. Now. And next is where we get into a bit of a contradiction because you know we've been talking about. Cal was in the military when he did the show in. The survivor to feel guy. Cal said that he did. Not think he'd have problems dealing with civilians because he only got into the military at the age of twenty eight, and he was thirty two at the time. But when he was voted out, he said he knew it would be hard to fit in because he's a military guy and he's used to working with specific types of. He didn't think in a couple of days he could overcome their differences, and it's it seems. My best guess is ahead of time. He thought he could do it, but then once he got into the game. He quickly realized. Oh my Gosh! These people are so different from those who I'm used to dealing with. It just didn't work well. I've actually talked about that. A lot on this podcast is that when you go into this game? You might have an idea in your head of how you WanNa, play the game and and things that you want to accomplish and how you want to be perceived, but unfortunately there are so many things outside of your control and things that you don't expect things that you've never anticipated or prepared for you know I, mean. We spent our first night in torrential rain downpour. Shivering freezing being out on a bill, the sleep I mean just these are all things for a hurricane. No, unfortunately. I did not do that before I went out there. I guards sandwich. And knew I should've had my glasses on, so it's one of those moments. That I think a lot of people who've played this game. Have that realization that all of a sudden like? This is not what I expected and I think he's one of those people, but no matter how much of a survivalist, you are no matter how much you think you've prepared to be out in the elements and and experience that world which I think. He believed he was very accustomed to. He was not accustomed to the fact that he was doing this with fifteen other people who had a different perception on the game and on the world, and how they were going to play this game, and what they were bringing into it and I think he probably walked in thinking. His background was going to enable him to play the game. When in actuality, it probably hindered his ability to play the game. Yeah, probably. All right now we can circle back to the second rule, which says not scheming plot too much. It's pretty clear to me. That cal didn't have a problem here because he wasn't scheming and plotting enough. At least that's what my notes say, but as we've been talking I, do wonder. Did. Jerry. No, he was targeting her. He told Tina he told mad. Dog Did Jerry know that he was targeting her and did that. Play into anything that happened. It'd be incredible if it did. So, if so then we might have to look at scheming and plotting too much, but I don't think we have any evidence for it is supposition on my part well and I'm curious. Though was he the one that dropped Jerry's name I, or was that a group consensus, or was it Tina, or is it mad? Dog His. It seems like mad. Dog ended up kind of naturally. Bonding with Jerry but Tina I. Think the. The beef jerky thing kind of brought them all a little bit closer. Considering teen is the one that went through his bag. So I am wondering if that you know if that was a group consensus initially to target Jerry or if it was cal that wanted to to her I, think it was killed wanted to I'm sure Keith would have joined right in. As key through sitting there with gritted teeth going. Yes, Jerry, I love you. You're awesome. so. But Yeah. I think it was just the three of them at first I don't know it could have been mad, dog or Tina. I right, but that is interesting because we have seen when to drop someone's name, the response is usually well now. That person wants to vote you out, so she went about this in a more creative action. Matter now. That would be good for to have. It would be good for her and that and I do think she went about it in a more creative fashion. Show. Green with me I'm well. It sounds like you're agreeing with me. If you're saying she was just being creative about it. Then that's creative. Is Another word for? No No, no see. Here's the thing you have to use everything to your to your benefit, right? If if by chance the guy that was targeting her as also the same guy that she signing beef jerky. Kudos to her for being like hey, busted him and I'm GonNa. Tell everyone that I did. Because he's also targeting the whole thing up i. don't I. Don't know where she just like I said I'm not saying she made it up. She could have been mistaken as. She could have been, but she was also. Somebody aided her right. We talked about Colby already. Kobe's one who said it was beat Jerky. She said she's on chewing something. Brown called. Designated as beef Jerky so yeah I mean. This yeah, but I guarantee you if. Let's say that she had come back and said that about Mitchell. I guarantee discussion would not have been the same way well because it wasn't trying to sneak beef jerky last Julia saying because Mitchell was part of their in group now, but also he was trying to sneak Turkey Australia. Why are you trying to smuggle beef Jerky into Australia? When you're on the plane now he's already. He's harding. Well maybe he brought a bunch I. always carry more snacks than I need. And I do frequently get pulled aside by security I will now and they're very. Rude, you can't bring food into. Wherever it is you're traveling into the AD. Throw it away. Get rid of it on the plane and he was trying to smuggle it through. On all his feet, burkey. Because, he was going to sneak into the game, no because he was gonNA. Sneak it into survivor Australia survivor. Nine. You, said it slip of the tongue. It happens. That means it's true. I've said. You just said sneak. Into disturbance. That good podcast, you just say this is what you said in me. Saying now so, but that's exactly what just happened. Everyone saw it. Moving on what we're ILORI ON. John, you're done. Well what happens when I don't agree with David Bloomberg? That's right. I, don't you? Know. Could do. Let's see what. Okay! I'm. Getting my beef Jerky? We're GONNA go home. Actually I'm already home a you to go upstairs. Do this and you can't see. All right now. Everyone have a great time. We'll get a David Bloomberg. PODCAST by himself. Yes, well. They just couldn't see. I eat all the beef jerky. That's right. Chewing noises. Were on. On, route three, which is talks about being flexible and tell as we have just discussed, said he promised mad, dog and Tina that he would vote for Jerry, so that's what he was doing. And that was that the problem is I. Don't know when he last talked to those two women, so it appeared that he was just going off of his early conversations, meaning he didn't take into account any of the changes that were happening around him. He was aware of because they clearly were talking about him. You would think. He needed to see what was going on at the tribe and move with it. But instead he had strategy and plans, and he was going with them. He was fishing. He had his alliance. He seemingly had no idea that the others were making fun of him, and he had become a target. Right and I. do think that clearly has reaction to that particular scene when they were accusing him of doing this his response to it really. Shows you that he didn't understand that. At that moment, he needed to change things up immediately because he was on a lot of trouble. He locked himself into particular plan. A strategy to play the game and that was what he was sticking to. His response leads us directly into the fourth rule, because it says not to let their emotions control them and. Cal was a military intelligence officer. He was a man to whom honor truly meant something you see in the interview. He talks about Gretchen and her honor for example, and even when he was accused of cheating by this nasty little actress Wannabe. That's what she was. You know I'm not saying that's still what she is, but her job was literally actress, Wannabe? Salad, Aspiring actress or something like that actress Wannabe and and let's face it. She was nasty so but he kept completely cool and calm. So Bravo to him for not letting his emotions control him there, but it didn't help him. Because of all the other things we talked about already personally I probably would have exploded. On that. Reaction Well. I don't think exploding. What have I think someplace between what he did and what I would have done? because. I do think that yes, have it's showing no emotion. Essentially make people think like a say. He did exploding like I would've. They would've been like see he did it. He's just he's just upset. Me thinks he protests too much. And so somewhere in the Middle Might have been, but in his case probably not. I don't think he could have reacted one hundred different ways, and it went to mattered because he was already the guy on the outside. Yeah, and I don't discount that because I think. He was an already in a very bad place, but I do think that the way he responded it just kind of added fuel to the fire as well I mean. We saw Jerry and the confessional say that it was weird. It was offering up as razors. We've already talked about how that certainly didn't help his explanation at all. Because it really made him appear more guilty really so I i. do think that it just. said to them kind of solidified. I think in their mind that like okay. This guy's gotta go. He's on the outside. He's eating beef Jerky, and now he's trying to cover it up with his razors. I hope they got the razors before they voted him out. I, don't know I feel like I. Knew that at some point, but now I don't remember you have to go back into your war chest. I've looked through my war chest although I might be missing one article. That might have been the cameraman Park. It was in my sorry this poor podcasting. Sit here and think about. Answer next week. Yeah, exactly. We'll just keep this running thing going. The six world because we already did, the fifth row warns against being too much of a threat. Do you think that was an issue here? I think he was obviously physically in a in great condition and someone who could potentially have been seen as a threat with some of the incredible challenges that they used to do I mean they still do great challenges, but the endurance challenges. Wow I would've loved to have had a chance to do something like what they were doing. In Australia, but so I think overall his his physical abilities, probably very much a threat, but on the whole, not a threat because he didn't have the the social awareness, he certainly didn't have a strong alliance. Missing from his game, that would have made him an entire package. You know catching food in physical, physically fit and able to do all the challenges and also having a great social game. That's different. That's different story. He was certainly lacking in that in that regard. Yeah and I think at that time. People were were at all thinking that far into the deep into the game. This was the first vote for the tribe. They're not thinking. Oh, when we get to the merge right you know. So yeah. I I think he was targeted for being any sort of threat in some ways it was the opposite. He was on the outs with everyone, so it was fine to pick them off nowadays. People might keep him. Even starting from the first vote, they may be like. Oh we can get rid of Kellet anytime. Let's pick someone else to knock graph for sure So they probably would have tried to drag him to the end. said he was Heidi Beef Jerky. That's what they said. They would have been lying, but that's what they would have said. The seventh recovers Idelson advantages. We definitely don't have anything to cover in this rule. Since those hadn't been invented yet, but it's kind of too bad that they didn't have idols yet, because if they did. The cameramen truly would have never let cal wander off alone. And then nobody made that claim. He was. Well he wasn't and so then they made the claim. Because he would have been on camera all the time. I mean you don't see anyone accusing Tony of that because there was always a camera on Tony, and now well, and there's idol out there. There's cameras following their. All right so now we moved to appendix. Say the rest of the tribe keeping their end goals in mind when voting this used to be ruled three. Three? Telling people to vote out the weak, the strong than the weak and the strong now actually back then I hadn't even added the final strong yet, so it was just weak, strong weak. But anyway, there really wasn't anybody who was particularly weak on tribe, because they won the first two challengers. Said at Tribal Council that she screwed up and she should be the one to go, but she knew that wasn't happening, and let's face it not being able to eat cow gut. Unlikely to come up in another challenge, so it did not play into things you know it's not like she had trouble running or swimming. Oh, she had trouble swallowing cow gut I would love for them to go back to the eating challenges. Would you want to cow gung at I would've I would've done any. Put on play Elliott. I would've loved to have had a chance to do that but fascinating. But they what they did they do it. In a recent season was a ghost island. An eating challenge. Remember. But I was so excited to see it again. I'm like think they're bringing back the gross eating challenge and then. But it's been, but it was very long since they did it. Anyway Yeah. I'm. So. Sorry so anyway, the I was saying you know that eating cow got in, but what did play into it. Was the fact that weakness is not only a challenge evaluation, but also also an look, and how someone interacts with the tribe, and so I said at the time in my column Jerry had convinced most of the rest of the tribe, the CAL was a cheater and a liar, and this was weakening them all and so. From that standpoint. He was the week one quote unquote. Maybe she'll have to convince enough. That's actually what was happening. She did have to convince them because she was I ain. Or mistaken now we're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back. We're back, so let's get back to. The show is to wrap things up. So what are your final thoughts that don't include beef Jerky? Oh, come on, you know as bringing this back up. You can eat it although I don't think. I know I. WON'T I won't keep it. It's delicious trespassing. Ban finishing that bag. We're them with us because that's so Soga, but I do think that. I'm going to say it again. I said last week. I love going back in time and revisiting these seasons because I do appreciate what survivor used to be I. Love it now, but I appreciated so much what it was Obviously, it's changed much over the years we've heard as your rules have developed. The game has changed and I do think that cal was someone who came into this game struggling from the start he came in although he had a plan. You wanted to form an alliance. He unfortunately separated himself from the group too soon. And I really think socially distanced himself so much. That's a good term right now, right? You he certainly put himself in harm's way and I. do think that when you are already in harm's way, if you provide any type of an excuse for anyone to add additional fuel to the fire, put yourself in a very bad position and we saw that happen with cal. Beef Jerky. Was He eating it I? Don't know, but it sounds like there's a chance he might have been based on what I've seen as the evidence, so I do think that all of those things together really put cal in a much worse position than he was already in, even though he was trying to feed the tribe, he was isolated himself, and even though he hadn't alliance, he didn't stay on top of that alliance and didn't actually know what was. was happening because he continued to isolate himself, so I really do think that though cal came into this game, thinking that his abilities through the military trainer was going to help him and carry him through this game I. Really do think that that was part of the biggest hurdle that he had coming into this game, because the social component was so lacking, and unfortunately for cal, it really led him down a very bad path and found him voted out second. And I on his try Bryant so. Season Two was the first group who had previous players to look at. CAL wanted to learn from the winner Richard Hatch. What did Richard, do? He, fished, And he made alliances. But not in that order. There's a reason scheming and plotting is the first rule and providing food. fell out of the rules entirely as time went on while the social game rose in prominence. Cal was a perfect example of what happens. If you ignore the rest of your tribemates wall in your mind, you're trying to help them. Even if he had been catching fish, it's unlikely as tribemates opted him because he didn't try to actually be a part of the try. He missed out on all the bonding that was happening and thought he was good, because he believed in his alliance with mad dog Tina. But he wasn't around when his name was brought up and once that happened. It was clear majority was voting that way. It. There was nothing else anyone could really do. His two supposed allies had no choice but to go with the corporal. Simply put Kelaniya to focus on relationships of social and strategic, but instead he set himself apart from everyone, making him an easy person to target. and. Tell stories about. and. That is why cal lost. All right now. Remember the moment I'm GonNa talk about cal after survivor but first. Let me remind everyone that the rules we just discussed are now available in both poster. and. That's right most there. And T SHIRT FOR! So you know for the shirt go to ROB, has website dot com or rob has podcast dot com click on the merchant link answer newer items I for the poster. Go to tiny your L. Dot com slash David, rules poster to and remember that will if you want to. If your country to DM Jessica that's right. You can certainly contact me and I can make arrangements to get that to you. This shipping will be a little bit more expensive obviously, but we can work out the details when he consciously. All right so as I said after season two was over. I interviewed Kelly at least four times over the next several years, and if some of these cases he would only talk to me because he knew I wasn't going to sensationalized things at the time. You have to remember that survivor media was insane. Popular Show! It was you know anything that anyone did I remember? The people from season one got dragged through the mud, just dragged through the mud Richard. There was some incident he had with his son back got dragged out. There were several others I don't want to say anything from memory because I'm not one hundred percent sure but. Everything that they ever did got dragged into the media And, so you know there was A. There was a lot of that going on. Now I have unfortunately lost touch with cal after a few years, so we're talking like sixteen fifteen years ago. Something like that so I've no idea what he's up to these days and everything turned out great for him, but shortly after survivor he left the army after six years service, and moved to Toronto, where he became a survivor and entertainment reporter for Global TV. He told me it may seem like a strange transition, but he actually received both his bachelor's and master's degrees in radio and television. Before going into the army remember I said he went in the twenty eight. And he's Canadian by birth. So he was actually they made a big deal out. We're letting Canadians on. He was the first Canadian to appear on survivor and I. Remember at the time. This is how sensationalized it was someone found out. That they were in the outback and they sent planes over to take pictures. To See. If they could find out anything about the contestants. And Cal had on the top of his backpack a Canadian flag. Or something someplace on. The plane. The photo showed that they're like. Oh my Gosh! They're inviting Canadians. The Canadian who moved to America right? So anyway. While, he was working. For, global he also did some TV commercials none for beef Jerky. Although? Beef, Jerky camera does. I joked about that with him. Every time I interviewed him and he kept saying things like well. I'm still deciding you know. But at that point, he was probably pissed at me for even. He claimed in an interview that he was getting offers to do all kinds of beef jerky commercials. He told me the same thing. I mean he may have decided. It wasn't worth it or he may have just been joking who knows? By by September, two thousand two, he had left global, and was looking at other opportunities when he was involved in a very unfortunate situation, he was attacked and stabbed, repeatedly crowded bar. I can tell you didn't know that I did not yet so I think I may have been the only interview. He actually gave on the subject the news, but he talked to me later. He said that. A Guy came up to him in the bar and said, are you that Indian on survivor? And he thought that was strange, but he said Yeah. I'm the guy from survivor. And the man walked away and found three people he knew, and then they came back to him, and they kind of made a circle around him, one of them splash to drink and to his eyes, and then they started hitting him. On the head on the back of the head with broken beer bottles, stabbing him and he managed to get himself over the bar and away from the men, but by that time he had been stabbed seven times in the head, and once in the back God. Yeah. They didn't hear. This is our face or any vital organs and he told me. If I could use the word lucky which I think is kind of stretching it. It's that they didn't hit any vital parts. Holy Lord, yes, so! You know this is what he said happened there. People are nuts in bars. Who knows you know if there was some perceived slight, or they just didn't like native Americans or they'd been like survivor, although that just turn off your TV. Don't stab the guy. But yes, so he he went through that. He did recover. And by two thousand five, when the survivor Australian Outback Ed hit stores spoke to him again. He met a woman while he was working for global, and they got married in November, two, thousand and three. And then he went back to the army by December because one of the reasons he left, the army was. He couldn't. He couldn't meet anybody. And so he had told them. If I meet someone. I get married. I'll give you a callback. And he did, and they come back, and they stationed him in Hawaii where he was preparing to be a company commander, which is what he was doing when I last to him like I, said in in two thousand five. He. Did say he intended to make the army his career and that he had just needed that break like I said to kind of get a family. I think doing the math. He's right about my age, so he could be still in the military, or he could be retired and doing something else. I did not try to Google stock him to to find out. I wasn't going to do that. I wasn't going to go down that path. I just hope he's doing well. That's all. I hope he's doing well too. And if he's listening which I don't know why he would be, but if he is, it'd be great to get a little update so exactly. What's up, cal? Yeah, he did say in one of the. One of the interviews I did with him. He was like. Oh, I think survivor is going to go on for a long time. Now. He was right. It was right So. All right. Next episode. Rob Has announced. We will looking at episode three of the marquesses. Once again I won't spoil the result, but I believe this episode was a key turning point in how people thought about the game, so it'll be interesting to go back and revisit. Yes delving back into all of these old seasons. It really sends me down the rabbit hole. Because then I'm on the. Own, my Gosh I listened to a podcast from two thousand fourteen that. Yes. No, no! No I don't think it was it was. The mystery was Gordon Home I think they said that I didn't have I saw that, but it was too late. At that. So. Yes, I think it was gone, and but yes, it was the. Was the the mystery. Was that show called again? I camera, but I was listening to unsolved mysteries. Yes, I was. I listened I stumbled upon that. I was like look at all of this discussion of beef jerky. So much, I should listen to it, so I had been ready for your for your false arguments, Ya know that came from different article. Those were not false arguments. I'm just saying that that added to the arguments. I put forth arguments that you put your. Arguments these things I will quote rob did say that a lot of all all. I see what's happening. He said that this can't be Canon because it was actually in. I think it's in the DVD like it's included in the interviews. They have on the DVD, so it's gotta mean something if if people were saying it and it was included I. Don't know well I mean it means that they their memories false. Yes, which already proved so? You didn't prove anything approved. I proved that their memories were false. They contradicted themselves. No, I don't think you probably don't yeah so as we wrap up, I want to encourage people to check out the RJ. Patron Program at ROB has a website that com slash patron. Once, you join, you'll see that rob does over nine Patriot only call in shows a month plus a weekly patron trivia. Plus weekly acuity show with Nicole. Plus. Tons everything everything. You know there's also been several shows. Live streaming to the patrons like the Wiggle Room And then of course once we eventually get past all those discounts first access to live show tickets, but until that time there's the facebook groups to keep you occupied with a great community of people. 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"If you lost survivor in, you're going down TV Jessica. Round though breakdown, the rule sandwich show you how you playing yourselves and. This is why blank. Welcome to another special edition of why blank loss as we discuss survivor Tocantins episode twelve or episode thirteen according to CBS accessory recopied you. But no matter what it's about the vote out of the One and only coach I'm David Bloomberg, and those of you watching on video have by now figured out that the other person with me is not Jessica Lewis this week in our. Off Season Journey through time, I have a special guest from the podcasting class of two, thousand, twenty as guest host. So welcome. Sarah. Kerrigan. Thank you very much David Hi everybody. So Jessica was unfortunately she has this unavoidable work commitment that came up rather suddenly and Sarah agreed to step in. So maybe we should start Sarah what is your survivor history? Well I'm what you would call a passionate MS definitely a casual, not an expert like you nora player like. Jessica. I'm from Australia, on Sarah from Sydney, some of you may not from my. Quizzes. The. Knowledge that I had of survival as I was actually in New York when the first season was being. Broadcast and a friend of mine wrote at the at the at the broadcast company ahead buff. So we sat and watched it in our buffs. The promotional buffs and then on really didn't pick it up again till Nicaragua and remember people talking about it and saying it's some great. And of course, that's Fabio and I thought About this so much. But I stuck with it and really became much more into it during one world and Philippines with the US to amazing winners Kevin Today Sue we just Oregon was very excited to see them again. In what she start listening to rob has a podcast in the whole network of many survivor podcasts and others. The interest describes guard. So that's that's my. That's my story. All right. All right. Well, again welcome and in honor of you you joining me on this podcast I wrote you opponent. Oh okay. Friend, Info, we marched to the battle plane some to seek success others to seek fame. We play with honor for the love of this game and with armor or without we will toil in vain so that someday someone somewhere will remember our name. Is So beautiful just monitor just. For My. Absolutely. Beautiful. Thank you so much. For me, I haven't slept in rate is I have an eight days had no washer and I feel absolutely amazing. Yeah I I'm just glad that you know when coach when coach read that poem, which he obviously stole from me. The jurors were were were falling asleep. So I'm glad that that didn't happen. Must have recited better. I think there's something in your time that really gets past the fact that we toil in vain. Will remember in other words. Nobody remembers on Yes. Coach kind of. Very interesting relationship with the English language I don't think words made quite what he thinks they made. Yes that's true. Now, what I did think was really funny was Stephen Fishbach. was. Right. there. When coach read this poem and everything that happened around it. And then he went on survivor game changers now I'm sorry survivor second chances and recited a poem of his own. It's like apparently he didn't learn. It's your job to make everyone learns even. Two, we'll all be perfect survivor players. There you go. There you go as fact yes you know that's that's what we're here for. So for anyone anyone who has not seen this podcast before or if you have and just need a reminder or even if you don't need a reminder, I'm GonNa tell you anyway each week. As, we do during the season right now we'll look at how coach did compared to the rules. I originally wrote way back after season one and have been modifying ever since As regular listeners. 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And anyone who hasn't listened I think you should give it a listen because even though the title is why Kisha lost and you may be like, well, yeah, we we know why Keisha loss. There's First of all, we think we still add something to it, but also there's a lot of other discussion I think one of the best parts of it was just Jessica Ronnie, swapping reality-tv Stories. Yes. It was very insightful to have have them and particularly him having pain in the house just so he met. The. Logistics what he learned by not winning himself, it was really fascinating as A. Big Brother it's well, I find it fascinating. Good. Now. We have several things to discuss before we get to coach as we usually do and I'd like to start although I already referenced my friends Stephen Fishbach I'd like to start with him although he's a know it all now. When his season was airing. I was his know it all. I interviewed him after the finale. And as we were talking, he said I read the site every week you're recaps analysis I'm nervous. This is the one I'm most nervous for. This is the source for behind the scenes talk. So of course, he was talking to when. Or when we ran reality online and you know how however nervous he may have been. He did make it through the interview. Just fine. Station's pretty well as well. Yes, he did. Now I speaking of Steven I noticed that an episode to he was having fun hanging out with JT and admitted it might make him look like jt's awkward goofy right hand man. Now. We've seen people get the million dollar quotes early in the season before. I've never heard anyone get the hundred thousand dollar before because then basically every he was basically telegraphy I'm coming in second. He didn't intend to know he didn't intend to but you know that's the way he came out. But on the plus side as much as people make fun of Steven for his challenge performances that we've seen, he did win the challenge for his tribe in the second episode by making that, you know winning basket and he won individual immunity later in the season through an amazing comeback to solve a memory and math problem. It was extraordinary I really liked that explained how he did it as well because I looked like. A fetus magic. But. It was much. Yeah. Yeah. I do also have to say I love the fact that he tried to get them to name the merge tribe dingus. He came up with this whole supposed- back story about what the word well this language it means. And dinged goose. And people were like there's no way Jeff probst is GonNa say come on in Dingus. He might, but it's not going to be A. He tried to give it a very nice. Very. Nice quality but the. Not Not. A not. Forgotten how much everybody absolutely loved jt. Brendan wanted him gone and then went on one reward with him and was literally trying to plan away for jt to get to the finals and he said if jt one. Him Win. That was absolutely that was extraordinary. I've decided look watching the whole season again I mean I've had in my head you know statement with the mastermind Stephen was the strategic powerhouse. But to see my my view of jetties guy, I always liked him. But to see the season for beginning to end and watch his he is he is strategic is very able to rage people. He understands very much how he's saying and he used that to his advantage and everybody absolutely Latin. Even Debbie was saying tight me three and I will give up immunity and send you to write. Because I take. Yeah now Steven Actually told me in in our interview he said Tim Bureau had this weird obsession with him. They were like you're the perfect human being the only flaw is your friends with Stephen. That was such a great asset rather than a floor I think yes. Yeah. I agree as we've seen when JT played by himself. I think that's what I'd much of tarnished our thoughts about about his first season and what's to see him in his subsequent seasons. But to go back and I do recommend it. If you have if you have the time you have says hours a to go and look at it and actually say what a strong player he was I think we've. Minds downgraded him some wash. So it's really worth a rematch. Yeah I. Agree it's interesting because I have now watched I watched him going forward and then I watched him going backwards because you know heroes vs villains was what a week two weeks ago something like that that we did and. So. We saw him then with. Dumb plan to give away the idol to Russell and so now seeing going backwards, that means the most recent thought of him. I have in my head is his best game. Yeah not. So now. I mentioned last week that when I originally watch the season at the time. I was not a fan of Tyson. And watching it back I truly don't know what I was thinking back then. I already know he's hysterical from his later appearances meeting him in person I guess I just didn't get him back then for whatever reason I which I don't understand because he's such a sarcastic smart and I love people like that. So I I don't know my old self was wrong. I do remember you saying that about? Having, not been fan of him in the first place and I. Died I have to say exactly the same thought his a dry sarcastic smiles and so you surely surely you would have saved yourself a gorgeous package with that. Beautiful. That is, and in fact, I was I was thinking why did testing? We should do Tyson less or the I'm sure you write it. Yes I'll send you that link. Thank you. Now, I I do have one more thing I want to mention in and I think this both of us will appreciate this in the very first tribal council of the season. It was a discussion about whether or not sandy should be voted out and Jeff probst asked if it was fair to vote out sandy quote just because she's old. Jeff probst. She's that old she was older than the rest but she was fifty three she was one, hundred and five. Think about this. Jeff probst is now five years older. than she was then. and I wonder what he would think if someone came up to him and said, Jeff probst your old. It his. When he speaks to women and men is a perhaps a subject for another discussion. That idea of the old woman or the older woman and it certainly why in that first instance get off the truck and they have to vote someone off they look around. And pick her feel like she's not going to be strong. and. It's the same the same with reading going I. She felt it was because she was the middle aged woman but I think I first encountered either you and I was I tweeted that show and say, how does the older woman? Of all wage being the first one out and do you remember what you said back to me at the time we'll be talking about rain. You said, basically do everything the opposite of what Ram Justice because for you it wasn't. It wasn't her age and it wasn't her being your woman it was. A series of of choices that she made about how she wanted to play and I found that very interesting and we see with sandy that alleged she's the first one that they. Get rid of she stays through till minority issue started straight till the. Trump castle. Right. Right which was only their second vote. Twice. But I also I don't think. First of all again Jeff Pope, she's not old fifty three told older. Grant you that but not? but I think other aspects of Sandy's personality. I'd have to look back at why why Sandy lost but I'm pretty sure from watching it. I have a good idea of what I said. Yes yes. Yeah. Because in. Spoilers in season. Three of A. Repeat of the strengths of the winner was sixty three, a sixty, three year olds won't right. And Ninety called hurls. She's an Olympic gold medalist so She in fact, use that to her advantage she thinks she's athlete. She's incredibly strong woman she's. Now she was. But. She Ain't affect us the view of herself as older woman to downplay the threat. Right Yeah. All right. Before we get to the rules. was there anything else that you wanted to discuss? No I think it's interesting. I wanted to talk about jetty and I wanted to ask was to see. Tyson in his first game and see the seeds of of the play he was going to become, but he was player then he just. Hitched his wagon to slightly the wrong. Wrong Kosta. Either he that. He was twice the player. Coach was yes. At least at least. So. All right. Well, before we fully engulfed ourselves in the rules. I want to quote something from those rules that we occasionally have to say as a reminder of what we do here. I brought up a lot. Breed up because a lot of what coach said both on the show and in interviews after contain some version of the claim that he wanted to change the game and not necessarily win. But as the introduction to the rule says, the presumption here is quote is that the player actually wants to win the game. They shouldn't be there for the experience or face toughest opponent or what survivor is a game and the goal is to win. Period. That is the basic assumption here, and these rules can lead good players to that end goal. To quote, Harry a superfan on the most recent season of Australian survivor. People should play to win. Absolutely. I mean. One of the things that you say is that production is making television shot. And the players should want to win the game and. That's something that I'm sure we talk about with coach, but he was he was aware of the television Shaw Very. Much. Yes So So. This was the type of episode where the viewers new coach was getting booted, and we kinda got to sit back and watch. I don't know if there is any or ever been anybody more melodramatic than coach and knowing that he was getting booted only added to that drama. uh-huh, knowing Coach fought in the immunity challenge with swelling music is he gave a primal yell while in the final moments, but he didn't realize that would be for him. He thought his warrior alliance would take him to the very end that Damn Evil Wizard Stephen joined the women and turned on him. What happened? How did he make it? This far, and why couldn't he make it to the end? Where could he have possibly gone wrong let's once again figure out why coach lost. Yes. So the first rule says scheming plot and while first instinct might be to say coach didn't do this because he was playing a. Real honest game. And allegedly wanted to take the best players to the end. Then actually wouldn't be quite true in fact, coach did scheme and plot especially early on. As we would see him do time and time again, he had ways to rationalize this. But from his tribes very first vote we saw him turn people against Kansas after she suggested he should go then Tyson told him that Brendan was making allies on the other tribe with his repeated trips to exile island and coach immediately jumped on the idea of voting. Brendan which I'm sure had nothing at all to do with the fact that Brandon was supported as a better leader by some on his tribe. No and of course, coach made alliances with jt and Stephen, and later he tried to bring Sierra back into an alliance despite having made clear that she was definitely not one of the best people in his eyes. So yes, he did scheme and plot. Yes. That's true. But he did it in a very reactive way I think so. I I in the first episode certainly, we see him approaching brandon. Saying. Let's get together on very honest and I have integrity and I can see that in you and then immediately. Confessional. From Brandon going I'm not sure about this guy. You could see that as soon as the idea of who was the leader of the tribe. became well, it was on your choice of the men, of course. And the idea was that it was brandon in fact. Jerry was asked at tribal council. You know who's the later coach is ready to be named again brains brain his night. And I think. His scheming and plotting against Ranzan wasn't emotional reaction rate scheming and plotting I think. He does do something very clever way. He rewrites the narrative surprise even though he rushed the narrative a at a point where he's talking about what's the warrior alliances John He talks about doing this that and the other, and of course, getting out Tyson when he started to be sketchy completely oblivious oblivious to. The fact that he wasn't Lilius to infect was applied side of himself when when. He didn't know what was happening but he Assumes that into his narrative of his health his. Um Strategy. We we got rid of Tyson when he started to get sketchy. So. It is gaming and plotting, but it's very reactionary after the fact scheming and putting in my mind anyway. Yeah and even. Whatever he did. He was he clearly wasn't the best strategist there. In episode eleven, Jt told us that he felt he was a few steps ahead of coaching strategy and my immediate thought was just a few steps. He would he would tell coach whatever he wanted to hear to make them think they were on the same page and in the beginning of this episode kind of the the whole thing like exactly what you were talking about changing the narrative coach said he knew he was. No longer in control of the tribe. Well I have a hint to send back in time to coach. You're never in control of the tribe. He and the rest of Tim Berra worked hard to get to the merge with the majority and just throw it all away. Yes, he made no attempt to when he tries to when he thinks it's a good idea to have stairs again or I think Debbie alerts into the fact. -Absolutely. No. Attempt to to do her Debbie says so you'll do whatever coach wants and coach says we got no choice and of course you. Do have a choice. So even having that strategy handed to him will get the bureau fullback together will bring back in Erin and Sierra he made no he doesn't think about how to do it. He just demanded that Sierra comeback to him after the appalling what spoke to her? But he didn't ever see it from the other person's point of view. So he decided Sierra had no other option rather than wondering what other options Sierra might happen how he could present himself as a better option. Right. Right. And then another reason on top of that. He was not exactly the best strategist wasn't. He wouldn't lie and he said that he said that he wouldn't lie. We'll get to that. But he wanted to surround himself with warriors adding that if they beat him, that's the honorable way to play the game. No that's the dumb way to play the game because it is a game. But of course, not to coach. I interviewed him and asked him how taking the most deserving and strongest players to the end would be a winning strategy. He said it was a different strategy. As I. said, I wanted to change the game. If I won along the way, it would be a bonus. It was almost a winning strategy. Okay. That's what he said. Personally. I would say it was nowhere near a winning strategy. Yes Debbie had A. Given but they? Yes. Well. Yeah and it wasn't even just the coach was gung. Ho about his way of playing. It was that he also criticized those who played the game correctly. Such as when he was talking about Sierra, a couple episodes earlier and he said she's GonNa do whatever it takes to get farthest in the game without any honor. Oh the horror she's trying to get farther in the game. How could she? Yes, we'll play the game at all I did notice in the beginning the beginning of coaches episode Jeff's voice. Coach thought he was in the driver's seat coach was clueless. Can Cut to? And then can coach regain control at which point both you and I were. At control in the first place. I think Jeff really enjoyed her coach around and really enjoyed. Printing is buttons and the people that really enjoyed coach with the sounds Edison's who love to put all that music in around us. Now, we're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back support for this podcast comes from cdw on Dell. Technologies. CDW. WG We get the migrating your agency to a hyper converged infrastructure is being. DECAF. Woes slowdown friend CDW JEEZ experts can help simplify your transition from legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with Dell technology solutions that offer speed and agility. Isn't it? Any it orchestration by CDW J. People who get it find out more, CDW? Dot. com. 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Well, he never you know we knew that, but he never kept his scheming secret because he was always very clear as far as his ally who has allies were with this knowledge jt and Steven could plan their moves easily knowing who to boot when and coach on the other hand never as we've already been talking about never really understood the true alliances in the game. I think that's certainly didn't do too much but there was no secrecy about. What he wanted to do, he said in episode, my instincts are that Taj has to go so. At the time that it's trying to keep reassuring him but one of the great things was he was so completely predictable about what he was going to do that he was very easy to get around I don't know if that counts as knock kimmy keeping your scheming secret but I think. So he was very vocal about his lexus dislikes who die next who was honorable who was dishonorable it was canceled who is poison? was. On sharpens on and all of that. So yes, not skating too much and certainly not keeping his moves secret. Yeah. So the Third World Talks about being flexible. When coach was On exile island he said his character is quote unbending unyielding immovable. And that's really about all. We need to hear because he was right in this case he one hundred percent correct. As we've already discussed, he came to change the game of survivor, but that's not where the players should be there to do. He was fighting a battle while everyone else was playing for a million dollars. He said in his final words, I cannot imagine why someone would want to keep Aaron, over me in the warrior alliance and I was thinking he literally can't imagine that and that's a big part of his problem. Yes, I think. So really early on, he makes the statement I will never align with her talking about Aaron. Early, on Kasese, decided that she's not worthy and sniper you might need to and as we saw in in. The twelfth episode or the eleventh old number, the one before he went and. He did need to Woo and aligned with her and Sierra, to have any chance of getting further. But in his mind because he's made a statement, I will never and he makes a lot of never always statements. He makes a lot of definitive. Statements, and that's where there's just no flexibility in those kinds of statements in in that kind of thinking better fixable. and. Another part of course was as we already mentioned, he said he would never lie but here's the thing. He did. Sierra demonstrated you know that that that he did by telling the story of of Coaching Debbie, approaching her to reform their tribal alliance to be Tim Beira. Strong. But while coach accused Sierra of having a faulty memory, it was clear that he was the one suffering from that I asked him about the situation when I interviewed him I, asked him a lot of. Questions that that you know like what the Hell I'll just throw it all Adam here. and. He admitted that he was wrong. He claimed that he can confused that conversation with one from a couple days earlier. when Sierra supposedly approached him now it's convenient. We don't have footage of the time that Sierra supposedly approached him a couple of days earlier, but he did say to me I wish I would have handled the Sierra situation better. I was not lying to stay in the game. Almost believe that he wasn't lying to stay in the game. I think that that lie is much more about its. Challenges the the shelves, this Moscow. He wears of of the warrior the normal person more about. He shouldn't have relied to shore up his his new of himself rather than he shouldn't. You know to stay in the game because I don't think he was trying for that. He said, it would make him physically sick to ally with Aaron, which is that's Sierra. And in that Tiber, it was such a miss. And it was so obvious that that Sierra was at least in truth from her viewpoint that judge in statement new but I think they probably knew anyway I mean I think anybody that said NFL why and I only worked with integrity is going to be viewed suspiciously by the place. Yeah. Now I do think you know where do we put in the stuff about lies while I put it into this rule, but I do think there are other problems with his claims of honesty. On. The survivor insider videos he told JT and Stephen a story of when he had a brain tumor two years earlier and the doctor gave him six weeks to live because there was nothing anyone could do about it. But he fought it mentally and shrunk it down to the size of a pinkie. now, Jt told us the story doesn't sound legit to him. adding coach may be a little delusional I worry about coach sometimes. and Jt was right to be skeptical because coach previously had an interview with another website not mine in which he said he had tests done because they thought he had a brain tumor, but he did not have a tumor after all. Then when I spoke to him. I didn't ask him directly about this, but he mentioned. We were talking about his tattoos and he mentioned he had gotten one of them when quote I had the growth on the back of my head. So, he even called it a growth not cancer not tumor. Yeah I suppose it's possible. Some doctor misdiagnosed him told him. If it's a tumor you might only have six weeks to live. But he made these contradictory statements and let's face it. There's no way. Survivor is giving the medical. Okay. To someone who has a brain tumor. would be very different guy. Yeah And also I think just generally doctors don't no longer give people. Amounts of time because they are idiots or you know they don't know and it's not common practice and it hasn't been since probably fifteen or twenty years I don't think. It sounds very dramatic I have used six to you don't. Yes and yes. And then so I mean people may wonder why you even bringing this up. It's all about his quote unquote honesty which was related to his inflexibility but again, he wasn't honest now. To, coach his final words, not just the ones that we saw, but the ones from the survivor inside extras as recapped by. At the time my insider recap or Kerry Kennedy. Coach said I did not dishonor myself. I told the truth at all times. I did not mislead anyone and as a warrior I, find the defeat more than the honor in victory. Well, as as Carey noted I think coach really believes the things he's saying here he did lie and deceive, but he doesn't seem to realize he did. So it's amazing how anyone who doesn't do a coach wants is. Evil As another example of his changing memory, he said in his day after video that he went to exile to show how he was still the man even though his body was failing. And again, as Carey said, wait I, thought he went to exile because jt sent him there despite his pleas. So this goes back to the same changing narrative you were talking about when it came to voting Tyson. Yes I mean. There was discussion even prior to the challenge. With coach saying, will you know would be knowable SOGETI Arago not to send the, goes. I don't think so they may jt wins he looks at all he says any volunteers. And that was a great moment for. Jet. Forward he didn't do it and then jt selling Simmons says do the noble thing. Which point then coach? Switches on the Monastic Approach moblised monastic approach that he's going to go and make this a spiritual and. Run are. Proving. His manhood. He didn't says while he's out there that. Indigenous people would go out. As voice to become men, and here's what he said. He says radio land. So this become more of a man. All must love him. Yes. Yes. All right. The fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions, control them, and in many ways. All of coaches game was driven by emotion because that's You know that's the basis of his whole push for honesty and integrity and everything else. But even more specifically than that. There were also times when he got angry. The after the vote against Sierra couple episodes before this one. Coach lost. His Damn. mind. Because Steven and Debbie got votes from Taj and Erin. ranted that people who don't play the game even half is on asleep or courageously as him pisses him off. And Debbie wisely told him that he had to let it go or it will drive him nuts but coach wasn't one to let go of. To him, they were cowards because they have the nerve to not vote the way he wanted them to. It's true and. It's not as if devoted against him because Sarah had voted for reform and she was gone. So that's the person to be. You know if you like how dare you vote for me? But. It was about the behavior of other women budging for his warrior et guys I mean I certainly have the most took the mice nights about Don let your emotions control you because. I think where I. I'm sort of a little bit anti coach when I first started watching the season to be honest I wish this wasn't the person we were talking about but I found. Compassionate through this he doesn't realize how he's revealing himself as the little boy that wants to. Align with the big boys that wants to be in the gang. BE CENA CERTAIN WAY. And his vulnerability comes up in this incredible emotionality that he that he plays the game with. And the way he's. Anger is a very righteous anger and his division of people into good and evil is really the people like me. And massage made like Jt. Deferring to cut yes coach. Yes good good job and all of that, and the people who define me and speak against me and don't do what I say, and this is incredible emotionality, but it's very revealing. I think. I'm almost intrigued now to what She's light citizens because I think that. He? Might. Have, Kendall Damore inside maybe not I don't know. Yeah I don't I mean I honestly don't remember. I think he. Definitely became more of a character in you know he saw what he was and played into it more. But also, we just watched yours vs villains. And in that. Earlier in the season. You know Tyson a coaches upset. And Tyson has to pull Masai he goes to Tyson wants advice. Entice. Says, will I'll give you advice. But you're not gonNA like it. And he said to him. One Stop wearing the stupid feathers at tribal council. You look silly to stop telling your stories nobody believes them. And that's the advice that he gave him. But of course, as soon as as soon as that happened, he ignored. Yeah. That goes back to his his commitment to the character of coach. Having perfectly seeing his season, an understanding understanding why survivor production wants him and fulfilling. They want. Right I didn't know that he did his which will call Tai. Chi, he says it's he's the only way. To this. But. He. Said, he does his touchy in full view of everybody in full view. So I took about meditation spirituality out just to go off to the side where it may off to the side, but now full view. So the sweeping camera shots can happen. He comes back Sierra calls him hilarious cut show hilarious. and. He He. He actually can't hear that word because he can't believe that somebody would Satan like that when he's been nobly out in the water thanking the crisis having been created and he asks is repeated and she says that. He's hilarious and this is what I'm talking about that vulnerability that he say. He looks genuinely hurt like really hurt. And then he switches the assist Sierra after comments today she is the bowel movement that comes out of the Dragon So yeah. Made a slight. Comment it was really. Very disgusting I would have been even more furious head. I'm not saying that moment of chien-yuan little boy hurt. From her comment I think. I. Think the comments that people make which makes him turn on them or it's not their fault. He decides to turn on the maps that made the comments. Genuinely her tim genuinely cut him and we know that you can't take things personally especially on survivor. Dow. But speaking of kind of that leads right into the fifth royal which talks about the social game and reminds players they need to pretend to be nice. But that wasn't something coach was particularly interested in doing know he often didn't care at all what his tribemates thought. It episode six, for example, the there was what Brendan called another one of those coach moments which even became the episode title. It was actually funny. There were at least three in a row. Three. Boats or by coach. Episode titles. But what happened was they were boiling the beans storm was rolling in everyone else thought the beans were done but coach, she liked him a certain way he liked them software so he poured in river water. which meant the pot had to heat up again and boil for at least six minutes to sterilize everything. And, but then the storm came in and instead of staying out there coach left the beans and gets in the shelter. By the time the storm passes many of the beans had burned all the water boiled off and they had turned a charcoal. Now this is a situation where you have so little food. And he destroyed a full meal. Then what made it worse was he acted like he had done nothing wrong. And Sierra was. Telling the truth as she often did, and she said, if anyone else had done that he'd have been all over them. And that's true and then like. The next episode coach told us the twenty days in. He had been having to hold in his thoughts on all the annoying things, his tribemates. In in really. Watch your annoyed by them. It was quite a scene with the tribemates chewing chewing on the charcoal Baynes from the bottom and had heart that he had burned and there was not a word of apology just the eight something I've gotta get this chocolate. But she was right that there were things that he did that the he would have slammed other people from doing and this is this. Self reflection and self knowledge that I think maybe gets a little spark of leisure. Maybe I'm being too generous. In his day after video from survivor insider, he said that he found the game to be a spiritual journey which made it hard to listen to the small talk at. Camp So I. Guess that was his excuse for not getting along with everyone. In the meantime he told story after story believing people wanted to hear them but people neither wanted to hear them nor did they think they were real Brendan. Said at one point if I don't believe his stories, how can I believe what he's saying to my face? And you're. A very good point, and this is where the social game kind of links in because while we might not have known how much truth there was to serve historic. We could see the exaggeration just in this episode this twelfth episode when he talked about his time on exile. He told us while he was there. He said I had very little water. Okay. Fast forward to him showing up at the immunity challenge and he told Jeff probst fellow players I didn't have anyone. Now these are not the same thing and we don't know what the truth was. We only know he told the cameras I had very little water for all. We know he was chugging it down but even the there's even a difference between I had very little and I had. And you know then go past the challenge and after after the challenge was over coach said if medical would look at his back, they take him out of again. And I sorry I go along with what Aaron and Taj said he didn't even before they said I receiving the exact same thing. He didn't want medical look at his back because they'd say, wrong. and. That would ruin all his drama and all his exaggerations. Slowly and even in the way that he talks about I, can't I talked to someone who has a you all can you you can all do it but onto onto pure to Jewish. So again. Not, playing the special game because not only you cutting yourself off from talking to at slightly everybody which of course you know you should constantly be checking with everybody. But it also elevates in his speech. It elevates him above these other people who are quite able to talk to evil and dishonorable people unlike him and to the water thing. I did notice that and that when he steps into line to be the instruction for the for the immunity challenge, he whispers to Cayenne. Water. Then, he turns don't look at me drinking. DRINKING IT A. Town Place. Y-. and. The thing is, as we know from exile I mean they did have they did have probably a fairly hard time, but there's a gorgeous scene early on where Taj confesses to Stephen. Let's mother bear any large. They have a girl when she saw him about secret. Is. It out there. Not. It's not that it's not that I mean, I think of it's raining and you have a fire, all of those sorts of things. You know it's it's not pleasant but it it it certainly doesn't. Three disc. Bulge your asthma and yes. But I don't WanNa make excuses. I, don't excuses. Now. I. Did have an interview just just because I doubted his asthma. Asthma and. Nothing I saw from him. Made it look like any sort of asthma attack but I will say that in one of my other interviews they did mention yes he really does have asthma. Players. One wasn't. Much. Questioning is as questioning that the list of ailments including including asthma I make no excuses. Excuses right right. Yeah that when When Debbie turned on coach last episode she did say he was pretty much driving everyone. Crazy. In camp including herself and she'd been with him the whole time. She said people are tired of comments and directives and not doing a whole lot around Cam, and then in this episode, of course, Aaron called out while Taj. Talked about him being a jerk said, she was so ready to send his ass home. The biggest the planet. Aaron. Joke. A- biggest jerk on. So. Well, all right. Well, the sixth rule warns against being too much of a threat and I cannot imagine the coach was in any way shape or form a threat to win at the end. That said. Stephen, apparently was worried about it because in this episode, he commented the coach. Still. Excuse me still had a lot of strength and fight in him and you WanNa take someone to the end that you can beat. A personally I would thought everybody would want coach at the end because I can't imagine him getting any votes. But then again, Steven didn't get any votes against jt so. Yeah I. Certainly Intellegence Seasons we see that that that the very annoying in person the guy's early or is catch on. Very. Light because of of their idea of the funnel to which his appendix I, keep your keep your in goals in mind but So I was thinking that too. Why wouldn't you keep coach? He hasn't. Done that much in challenges. He's a really predictable player Brandon Colson predictable and aspect discussed because he was so about who he likes and whom he didn't like and what was Ryan, what's wrong you could see where where his votes were going to go. As you said, he's a few steps ahead. But I think it might have come to a point of they just couldn't. Couldn't do people. Just couldn't deal with your animal and they caught him you needed their final final three was. Right right. All right. Well, the seventh rule covers dealing with idols, advantages and coach didn't manage to get night on. He did repeatedly tried to convince jt Stephen to get rid of Taj because of her idol. but little did did he note that was actually Stevens idle? Because I did find it interesting that they actually broached the subject of who owned the idol. And I didn't remember that because Taj gave it to Stephen. So it was his now she thought she was just giving it to him to hold. But when you give someone an idol on survivor, it's there's He put it in his pocket. He had it for a while Taj found it. When she was going to make fake immunity idol. And she wanted to see the real ones. So she found it and she took it. Because in her mind, it was still hers. But then when Stephen and jt discussed it several episodes ago. They realized it wasn't really hers you could see them talking through it. and to me, it would have been interesting to see that play out on screen like Taj stands up and says I WANNA play this idol Jeff and Jeff would have had to respond I'm sorry but that's not your idol to play. Please give it back to Stephen. I was. I had completely forgotten that as well and was a really good see. This is where you could see. Jetty and Stephen Obeying all your roles. But especially, that flexibility one, which is an absolute Raido. Gye Alliance. NBA. However a circumstance has arisen which changes things chilly. Hurts you to to think about that to discuss it and certainly disgusted by discussed that it was now safely passenger back into the pockets of of Stevens. Atlas. Dress, pants. So therefore, it was statements. And should they budget out charge and this is what could play to I'm going to I want to this. Should wait. Let's think let's think through and see and. If we short. So I. Found that very interesting. I would have loved to say that but. black-clad perhaps, if they didn't cuss, I found her very compelling very compelling what she heard her play again. But for coach with adults and advantages, he never wanted to go to. Exile with a new clues to idols. So he never put himself in the position of finding a clue and trying to find out for himself, and the only thing he could help to do with an idol was divided out the piston who haddish not alive with them discuss. Ask them for it I mean. All the other things that you can do with idols it was as if he. Didn't want that to intrude on the purity of the way he was playing. Yeah. Yeah Appendix A is about the rest of the tribe keeping their goals in mind when voting and says to vote out the weak and the strong than the weak and the strong of course. Aaron Taj wanted to get rid of coach for many perfectly good reasons. Stephen apparently felt he had to do as well and I guess it's probably true that coach had a better shot of winning immunity than Taj or Aaron. Plus he was more likely to take warrior jt to the end instead of wizard Stephen. From that point of view Steven was right to oust him but. I don't know I mean. Yes. You should be getting rid of the strong unaligned players at this point. He was in the lions but so is everyone everyone was in some sort of alliance at that point? I don't know that we consider him one of the strong players though. Yes. I mean. Certainly the way that he was. Creeping thirty seven in this that really shocked me. Young he was too bad age. Thirty seven year old man who who is fish many had he has muscles. He does his touchy and everything he his showing in in group immunity challenges. Of course, I was watching him particularly because we're going to talk today. And his showing in individual challenges was very middle of the road. And I saw that if you were just putting them side that I would think Erin would be stronger plaza. In those physical challenges and especially as we get towards the end and I become insurance and we know that. Women have had an advantage in those insurance challenges even though the actual one that he went out was endurance achievement yet nonetheless if I was looking forward, I might see Aaron as more More of a challenge although you would question her friends on Jerry and. You don't want to wait. I agree. All. Right. So we are through the rules here. What are your final thoughts to wrap things up? My final thoughts. You have because you really are playing. Listening on the town that was. So coach came into the guidance saying I want to change the game from start to finish. I've said that from the beginning. Like before, and since he insisted he would never lie that he an only had honor and integrity and he poured scorn on earth. He saw as lies and cowards cowards cowards around. He said, he was around wishy washy people have not character. He cold women can't saw poisoned holes and as we said, unfortunately, bowel movements when we to exile forgot he was playing again a million dollars and made it about his spiritual journey alienating guards around him on exile posed for the camera as. I him with marvellous music playing loving himself in the moment and maybe we'll have a little bit too. Despite his prostrate he passed did have a profound experience on, but it was nothing to do with. In the end he was breakable banding, Yielding Measurable Movable and principal, and that it's like A. All right. Well, it's funny because I have some of the same quotes you hear coach said. About the million dollars I care about my integrity and honor and changing this game from start to finish and a number of survivor players over the years have said they were going to do what coach wanted to do none have accomplished. And there's a reason for that. This is a game not emission for King Arthur's round table coach was not Sir Lancelot. He was closer to Don Quixote tilting at windmills Maybe he didn't care about the million dollars but everyone else did. In our interview coach told me, I'm not delusional I've done everything I claim to have done. It has tested who I am. It has been some wonderfully high times and some low times I am who I am but I probably learned that nobody can take away that identity that I have. And that's great for him. I met coach once in Reno and he seemed like a nice enough guy for the few minutes that I was there. But as we've mentioned a few times now, that's not what these rules are. This podcast is about. Despite coaches protestations to the contrary. He didn't need scheme and plot. He hampered himself by not having any secrets. It was completely inflexible emotional and had a hard time socially integrating himself with his tribemates. Yes. He lasted through almost the whole game but part of it was just being taken along. He kept saying he was in control, but that was never the case I. It was Tyson. Doing all the actual work then jt and Steven took over. In the end, the women wanted to get rid of coach because of how renewing he was meanwhile, Steven wanted to do it for strategic reasons coach had multiple problems that we're going to keep him from winning with a big one being that he supposedly didn't care if he won. On survivor, you have to do what needs to be done, and that includes scheming, plotting, lying and adapting yourself to the situation around you coach wouldn't do any of these things and just wanted to change the gain to suit his own moral. We recently finished season forty and the game still hasn't changed in that regard. It's about playing to win which coach refused to do. And that is why coach lost. Wonderful, well. All right. All Right now you are Jessica see look a backside. All right well, before we look ahead to the next episode. Let. Me Remind everyone that the rules we just discussed are available in both poster and T shirt for. 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Survivor B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Season 1 Finale with Korey Kuhl

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Survivor B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Season 1 Finale with Korey Kuhl

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No No, no love island is coming back for season two in the US this unique dating show gives you the power to vote for your faves all season long of this show, which involves a bunch of sexy islanders looking for lovable air on CBS starting Monday. August twenty four will air every night of the week except for Wednesdays, even the Lord. That's right and I believe it was Wednesday especially when when the Lord made love him. Or love. Villa in LAS. Vegas. That's the other thing as well as obviously there are a lot of new protocols being put in place. One of them is that is going to take place in Vegas, which honestly makes so much sense and I'm like, why did not take place there before I know it was absolutely necessary that you were on an island but I don't know they'd like converted a nightclub and stuff I think it's going to be so fun and that's the thing is that even though they're not on an island, don't worry because season two we'll have a new level of chaotic energy with the introduction of again Khazei Amora Amora Amora. Ill. He'll. The Pool. Is Not. Is definitely what we want to see on love island not that kind of yelled out. Anyway has a more E.. L. Is a new twist that will test the islanders can actions like never be four, and so we got to fantastic people in the roster to cover this returning from their season one coverage, Kirsten mcinnis and Brian Scully, they're going to be coming to you every. Wednesday, they will not be resting unlike love island and Saturday to give you recaps that are going to take the show even less seriously than it doesn't itself which if you even watched it, you know that's a pretty low bar they are. Going to get into everything silly and salacious and everything in between about the re- couplings, the uncoupling 's, and eventually who is going to win each other's hearts and a cash prize at the end of it. Look a Mike you and I both know that you need a silly recap to talk about any reality television show and cursing, and Gal you're definitely gonNA bring it. All right. So let's go from Love Island to another island in the South Pacific as we get into the BNB for this week, take it away from America. Playing some game, right? Dan. Off Sounds. A. R. H. Peyton Ambi. Mike. From Day. Right over. All sound school himself. The are. Ask. Everybody and look into the RHA. BNB for the finale survivor Borneo survivor Pulau Tika, whatever the heck you WANNA call it. We're here talking about one of the most watched episodes the most watched episode in survivor history we're talking about twenty plus years. Later, we have assembled three people who have cake themselves in mud and walk through a beaded curtain slapped by palm fronds and ready to stand on a pole and talk about games for hours on end. Of course, I am Mike Bloom I'm joined as always by someone who I would never vote for no final four tiebreaker early on Boris Sean how're you? That's so sweet of you and I would never walk over burning coals for you. Mike Remember Final Four tiebreakers title four votes remember that was a thing and it wasn't just always fire. Oh, my God that's going to be a lot of that today spoiler alert. It's going to be a lot of member berries coming out but we are so happy to welcome this guy back to the BNB sweeter than a wafting orange brought by Jeff probst unplayed. You remember him from the amazing race two times over as well as the PSYCHOBABBLE podcast corey. Cool. Welcome back to the BNB. How's it going? I'm doing well, this is the first time I've ever been to a BNB twice. I feel. So fan like so good that we were able to make it. Make time experience yelp reviews release Solta of. Checking in again four, he's the lightning of BNB's never strikes twice at one location. So this this is it after thirteen weeks of going in and out of time here we are sort of back where we began we started, of course, this rewatch journey shortly after their survivor forty finale with the first ever episode of survivor where now concluding with these survivor one finale considered not one of the biggest episodes and survivor the biggest episodes in reality television. Let alone television history when it came on August twenty third. Two thousand. So we all watched this episode we have a lot of stuff to get into but corey firsthand I would love to ask reinvestigating this episode twenty years later especially with twenty years of survivor behind us what what were your impressions this I mean I, was tell you as a little bit for before we started recording, but it was so refreshing to kind of see old school survivor being played and to see how much downtime there was how relaxed everyone seemed to be given. It was like a final four moment. They're all just hanging out in hammocks doing their own thing was kind of refreshing. I enjoyed the walk down memory. Lane? It definitely felt like you could breathe because the survivor finales nowadays especially because there's what you know you've to get through six people. To get to the finals. It just feels jam packed and there's so much going on whereas here it was like look we're GonNa have a few comments, some simple calms and we're GONNA have a lot of time to just experience these people and I think part of it was also this is the first time it's happening and so you WanNa, take a moment to like Oh, covered in bug bites like this was so hard and so you have those experiences as well that I think are really cool to see but I can understand why that would be repetitive like occurrence season of survivor. Yeah but I think that this is surprisingly, I don't know in my opinion a bit action packed where to your point we go through like four rounds of eliminations now in finalities but I almost feel like a lot of these finale is don't necessarily have like something exciting happening in each round. So I guess you can sort of make up for the fact that you're going through former being like well, two of them are a really game changing and so that's why it's a good finale but here between the final four obviously has the first ever Thai and Kelly turning on sue the final three has you know Richard Hatch making one of the biggest. And initials strategic moves in the show's history coupled with a fan favorite and rudy literally falling. Then the first ever final tribal council where you know words were exchanged many different words exchanged in the first ever winner was crowned with Jeff probst sounding like he was delivering the news that someone's grandma had died. But this how serious he was so feels like like you got, you're talking like there was certainly room to breathe through the entire first segment. Right was like them being like, wow, I lost a lot of weight or I'm all bitten by bugs, but there was so much intrigue leading up to it and within the episode itself because this really had gone. Gritty these were the four people who had formed this alliance and despite Kelly wavering so much. She was sort of like stuck with them so. She kept winning out which also helped these people pick out one another I just find it especially, nowadays, such enthralling episodes to go back and look at. Yeah I think one of the other things that I appreciate it about this was the dramatic moments were so overly dramatic that they were just shoved in your face like even win Richard Hatch steps down I was like, where's the incredibly swelling music? Editing quick chops and all that stuff that would probably be happening and that almost made me appreciate it so much more. It's like, oh my gosh, kind of experiencing with the people that are out there on the island, and so that was it was just nice to see even with Jeff just like sitting on a log next to Richard and that final immunity challenge seemed. So like nothing, they would even come close to doing these days. Did did you watch the finale backward aired in two thousand have GM memories of that night listen I did watch the local newspaper came in filmed my family because we had a big survivor viewing party and I, pulled it up I found my aunt sent me the news article. So I've got a picture of it and in our text messages we had like a party we each had torches that we snuffed when because we all had to we wanted to win and so when our person got eliminated, we went outside and snuff our own torches. It was wild was fifteen. MAZING I love that so much weight. So who is who is your person? Then I went with Rudy? De we did like a raffle and everybody picked I think once it was down to the final five and I, just I like fruity I guess when I was. Twenty years ago I mean you the like you know we didn't include the reunion in this. But if you if you if you watch the reunion Afterwards Bryant Gumbel gives out many polls that are done over the course of it and I think we're in the polls was like, who are you rooting for to win and it was like forty five percent rudy, which is a pretty outstanding amount. So you were definitely not alone. Especially wants to Pecans left they're like all right I guess we'll go with. Rudy Rudy seems to be the most savory option at this point right and it was surely just because I liked him as a player and it's like you hadn't even thought about the strategy aspect of it as the fact that like nobody probably would've won sitting next to him in the end. So probably none of them wanted even take him to the final two. Just just so baffling to think about. Like Oh. Yes. The wind without ever fly in modern survivor. You know again, like just comparing everything I think it's so cool to to see where the show was and to just re-experience feeling. You had this tribal council especially, right because again, look how far we've come. We have literally broken down the Travel Council into sections into a rubric by which you're meant to grade the finalists and here you know jeff sort of does like a bit of a speech coming in being like you know if if we were voting for this sweetest person, he would probably Gretchen if you're voting for the most athletic like we could all go around the fact of the matter is Richard and Kelly there. So deal with it and that was also sort of like the motto at the time I remember this is actually we pull for historians not a long time ago was. All the jurors were talking about the two finalists on their walk to tribal council, and if you remember colleen's like does anyone really rooting for either one of these stupid people and so that was jeff sort of helping guide them of like look I know we don't WanNa be here. Exactly. These are the two we want, but we're going to vote for them. I don't think Rudi got the message though because I love it when Rudy walks up and he was like I don't have nothing to say to these two, I just want to let everyone know how dumb I feel after the mistake I made yesterday and then just like abso- just like okay. I love it. I love and that's the thing is well again, obviously that final travel council has one big thing to call home for. But yeah, it's all the little like moments of characters and there is well like Jervis going on an extended monologue in response to the Hawk grant like he keeps going. Corey. I totally forgot about that I I liked. How long winded the all of the voting speeches were and I get that, we can't really see that a lot in modern survivor now especially when it's like a blowout win. But I liked hearing more of their internal monologues for what why they were deciding who they were voting for, and obviously with it being a three or four vote, it made more sense to do it that way in this first season. But I kind of wish we got that in some sort of aspect with the more modern seasons as well. Just to hear what people's thought process actually is. Yeah and. The whole like I don't have any I think it was sean who's like I don't have any. Questions I just have comments. Like. This has been here from the very beginning. And only a couple of them are offensive. So good talk show my God. Yeah. That was the other. I mean. There are definitely some other moments from Borneo like that would definitely not fly of Allen I completely forgot about. I. Like how many times is he going to slip this into? Episode. It's like his favorite catchphrase, which is crazy because apparently it was like catchphrase apparently so like it's not even Dr. Shod this is going to be by thing now, which makes looks even worse in retrospect. Joshua Sean, what a character, this time shod. Thank goodness. I think I think one of the other things are just looking through all my notes of all the moments. Even, from the beginning like the Rudy's diner segment, for example, that was even giving me flashbacks to like Brad culpepper or window decorating, and so it was kind of Nice to remember you have some of these moments in modern survivor as well. So even though it's Especially, in the moment with all the big brother nonsense going on, I'm like I missed this type of reality TV. They're bits of it that exist and modern survivor as well. Yeah. Same with just like burning the camp i. feel like those early seasons that was such a moment that was always shown for the final two or final three and it just reminded me I'm like Oh my gosh. We don't see that anymore and same with them like hitting the gone when they were walking into tribal council. Just, like little cute things that I might have I completely forgot they used to do that. There's a really interesting reverence for the players in this final episode of like you did it. Thank you. We put you through the Gauntlet and use survived like that's that whole final three experience was as weird as it was where looked like for a second they were like walking on artificial turf. which is just the strangest idea but it was like you, you truly have connected yourself with the spirits of the island which Jeff probst said most recently that he does want to make the show for the contestants as well in terms of the experience but I feel like that's in a different way than this was like, thank you for playing our game, which also speaks to how this being the first season. They knew that the experience was like they could set up all they wanted to, but it was going to be executed by these players at the end of the day. So like the everything was in their hands. Was Jeff bringing out the orange slice as like a little league coach also part of making the show for the players. All you guys are so good. Here's here's Seth Leftover craft services that we have. Get it until you step off right. He's so annoyed that Kelly wouldn't even smell the orange issues like I'm good I know what oranges smell like. This because we keep something to introduce like a modern day hallmark I. think that's the first time that jeff offered someone food as a temptation Benetton now granted it wasn't like a step off and you get this orange it was more so pleasant tree. But who would have thought that seek plant and he's like Weaponize this Hughes. So incredulous about her not wanting to smell the because he was like, well, you don't know what these oranges satellite they're going to permeate your soul in white university oranges ever permeated anyone. I was very uncomfortable. To visceral for orange slices permeate your soul sounds like a jeff probst decided after the talk show in the books off to go into like sense that that's what the he would use like. He'd be like Matthew mcconaughey and how to lose a guy in ten days with Frost yourself like the slogan for something. Oh. My God. Let's start getting into our games here because we've got a lot of good stuff and look, we cannot talk about the final episode of survivor Borneo without talking about the snakes and rats speech. It is one of the most infamous moments in television history, Sue Hawk let loose before we get into our game Liana, what was it like watching this back from Twenty Twenty Lens considering how famous it is. It was a way longer than I remembered it being because Mike originally had this game idea I was like I don't think it's a long enough to make this game work and then I watched it I was like, oh, she goes and goes and goes. On now is one thing that I definitely did not remember this was so incredibly harsh in the best way possible like it's. Okay. Not to make another big rather reference, but like someone called the old school boring and Old School reality-tv is not boring and this is the perfect example of that. Yeah, I completely agree I was shocked at how long speech actually went on I feel like I remember it so clearly but I do not. As. Long as it was. And I was sitting there thinking the whole time like I, wish I could see of raw unedited like one single camera shot of this speech because sue didn't Oh, it wasn't always the best with words and pronunciations and we get it here with manipulative. Like. I would I don't know just I have to imagine that there were stumbles or words that were left out or anything, and I just think it would be so iconic to release like the whole thing in one sitting released the Burnett cut. A written it right. She the story is that they believe Shawn said that like sue had practice it in front of him before. I WANNA see imagine she committed it to memory, which is crazy considering that like it was, it was only one day between her getting voted out and her coming to do this. So like good on her mind, not being one of these two hundred pots of rice that could like memorize this at the top of her head and tacomas point like seemingly get there though I would love to see her like no. I'm going to start over. Still lift up. Her back to one people. Would have been a little less impactful. Case. But before we move onto more funding games, WE'RE GONNA. Take a quick break to listen to a word from our sponsors. Support for this podcast come from CDW and Dell Technologies. CDW WGC migration see to a hyper converged infrastructure is challenging. WHOA, slowdown friend CDW JEEZ experts can help simplify your transition from legacy to hyper converged infrastructure with Dell technology solutions that offer speed and agility. Have you done it is it done yet? Is Internet it orchestration by CDW? 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Okay yeah, I was thinking all right animals. For Animals. All, right. So again, we'll go back and forth here. Be However, the hell creative you want to be or lease creative whatever you want again at Cisco, Jeff probst like if we were voting for the most creative word, we would choose Mongoose revolting for this sweetest word we'd vote orange. All right. Let's start with the Yuliana. Okay giving me a noun. A Noun. Body Lotion. Starting out. Strong. Could. You look at the death. And approach will get you everywhere. Of course, give me an adjective an adjective. Huge. NEON GIMME Noun. treehouse. Corey give me another noun. Cookie. The give me a body part who? I'm going to go with you've ULA. ooh And just to clarify that's the ball in the back of your throat. Yeah. I wanted to make reference. But like this is a scientific estimate, would it be? This would indeed be twenty twenty snakes and Rats Yahud. Indeed, reference camp. He give me a noun. Palm Tree. K., Liana another noun. Ice Cream scooper. Hey Eric. Corey verb a verb ending I N G. Spitting. Liana a verb. A verb Okay. Wipe. Corey another verb. Hiss. Yana announ. Down Okay I'm GonNa go Windy Oun and NEON meow no. I'M GONNA GO WITH TV antenna. Corey another verb. Let's go with Bark. Or? Hey. Liana announced. Squid ING. Corey active. Rough. Liana Niger another adjective. I'M GONNA go with Sparkley. Corey adjective? And finally, Liana. Ou Okay, I'm going to go with. Four thousand. Three hundred. Nine. Hey Greg's number nine. So I think you lost. All right. Let's get into the first part of the speech because he as we said, it's a long months. We'll take an intermission here. They won't try to do the same. I have no questions. I just have body lotions. Rich, you're a very openly arrogant huge human being. Meyer your frankness with it H-. You've worked hard to get where you're at and you started working hard way before you came to the treehouse. So, with my work ethic background, I give, that cookie do. But on the other you've yellow. Your inability to admit your failures without going into a whiny palm tree makes you a bit of an ice cream scooper in life Kelly, the spitting Persona Queen. You did get wiped on on national television by a city boy that never has let alone bit in the woods or TV antenna or part of boat in his life. You sucked on that game. anyways I was. You're sweating at the beginning of this really thinking that you were a truce quitting. I was willing to be sitting there and put you next to me. At, the time were rougher than me. I'm not a very openly nice person. I'm just sparkley ugly and tell you the way it is. To have you sit there next to me and me lose four, thousand, three, hundred, sixty, nine dollars just to stop on somebody like this. Stop Down for their. Guys. You guys are mice quitting. Exactly. I was your squid eight. I thought you were a true swing against out to not be quitting. Also I don't think anyone ever describes as Sparkley. But at least you polera like I'm sparkly I'm ugly and tell it like it is. There's something to be ugly and Sparkley, of course. I think so. Definitely like. There's I'm sure there's clothing items that are sparkling. Ugly. Oh. Yeah. I just saw one of those Andrea housewives of Potomac League. I'll still do we think that when sue calls Richard An ice cream scooper. Compliment or an insult was she loves ice cream for sure so I would think a compliment. Yeah I think so too plus she's pretty complimentary in general relative to Kelly in this each towards rich so. Also I don't know if there is some sort of time travel involved here with Eric. I don't know maybe it is a compliment like you're a fan favorite. Oh, imagine if Erica travelled through time to finally get the win and finally be like all right to not embarrass myself I'm going to go back all the way to the first season and show these people how it's done. That's right. I don't know maybe there's like a sweet theme here between rich and sue because to does admit to reg that you know she she'll give him that cookie for being so. Good with his ethic if you give Richard Cookie. Also love that sue has already pivoted from being a trucker into working at bath and body works by saying I have no question just have body lotion just. What would we her son cucumber melon I? Never like tapioca she can't spell any of those words. Oh. My God. Okay. If she did I know that she recited her speech to Shaw but if she did write out like what percentage of words would have been misspelled we talking like over under forty percents just me. Doesn't she have like there was some statistics that I saw that she never once wrote spelled anyone's name correctly throughout the entire voting process. The good news is that only two people's names were referenced in this but then to that point that does bring up the idea of like what regular words Beginning. I. Don't know if she knows how many ends are in that. She does also say like any ways says the phrase you sucked on that game, which also sounds a little lewd unintentionally so Plastic ice cream scooper. All. Right. Well, let's move onto the second part and this is the juicy part of it. We're going to start with you give me a verb. Let's go with nozzle. Liana give me a number. Point Zero Zero Five. A. Give me a verb. A verb let's go with a Twist. Now, I will go with. It. It's. Corey another noun. Race. K. Liana verb. How about? Type. Corey Gimme a member of survivor production. I know anyone other than Jeff. You need give just the name of position in the crew. Save the boom boom mic holder. K BOOM MIC holder. Liana Gimme a preposition a preposition like on over I. Just love it sharing parts of siege, right? Okay. Let's go with. Is across a preposition yep okay. Schoolhouse Rock I would've needed clarify this and. It's like if you're going in a direction I guess that's what a preposition needs. Shelter under an over and around. Exactly right. Give me A. Noun. TACO bell. For Okay Yeah, can we do proper nouns that allowed sure why the hell? No. Okay. All Right Liana just in. Time Me A. Benjamin. Franklin. For he give me a body part. Big. Toe. Liana Gimme a cause of death. Oh my gosh. I didn't I didn't realize that we were we were going to get so intense here. Let's go with. like the Sims. No stuck in a swimming pool without a ladder. Without ladder how deep is that pool? All right for give me a liquid. Lava. Liana give me an animal. Musk ox. Corey Gimme a location. Damn I should have really saved. The, Taco Bell. Too late to change. Just say. A parking? Lot The TACO Bell Parking Lot. It's all within the same area. Liana give me a Noun Noun. Okay. About a coaster. And Corey. Another. Noun. A Ninja. Liana give me the name of a family member. Like a sister on that kind of thing or like someone from my specific family. Wants I don't want name of civic. Member or like Aunt Carol. That's like a family feud answer. Do you need a very specific grandmother or you just go with? A very specific grandmother. No I'M GONNA go with a first cousin twice removed Sanaa. No Becky. Of course it's always Iraqi. Okay And that. Is it a just got a bill in a couple of things right here. There's a lot of repeating this last one here. Okay Corey one more thing I just see that I just need a now. Let's go with a cat. The old. Over. All. Right. Here we go. This is when it gets really good. To, just review sue has dig into Richard or scooped into my suppose for being. Big, arrogant and huge. Kelly is the spitting persona queen who got wiped on national television by a guy who never barked a boat were quitting. She was rougher than her and she was willing to lose four, thousand, three, hundred, sixty, nine dollars to the end but a sacrifice. It's very much. But as the game went along and the two tribes nestled. You lied to me. which showed me the true person that you are. You're very point zero, zero, five faced and manipulative manipulative to get where you're at anywhere in life. That's why you. All the time. So at that point of the game I decided then to just go out with my alliance to my ferret and just hold my dignity and rice in check and hoping that I had it typed too many of them play the game just as long as possible hang in there as long as possible. But Kelly go back to a couple of times the boom Mike Holders said to you what goes across comes across its here. You will not get my Taco Bell. My Taco Bell will go to Richard. I hope that is the one TACO bell that makes you lose the Benjamin Franklin. So be it. I'll shake your big toe and I'll go on from here. But if I were to ever pass you along in life again and you were laying there dying of being stuck in a swimming pool without a ladder. I would not give you a drink of lava. I've let the musk ox take you and do whatever they want with you with no regrets. I played to the jury tonight to think a little bit about the parking lot that we have been on. This island is full of pretty much only two things. coasters and Ninjas. And in the end of first cousin twice removed, Becky? Nature. We have Richard, the coaster who knowingly went after pray and Kelly who turned into the Ninja that ran around like the Ninjas on this island trying to run from the coaster. I feel like we owe it to the islands cat that we have learned to come to know to let it be in the end. The way that first cousin twice removed becky nature intended it to be. For the coaster to eat the Ninja. Oh, my God, that's survivors season fifty nine coasters. Ninjas. I was I was I was nervous because it's coaster get not going back to the big brother parlance, but it feels very applicable an I guess Ninja as well. I love that speech better than the original. Only she'd given that one I think it just makes way more sense because I also enjoyed the parking lot that they had been on throughout the course of this season I. Love this idea that like now I'm thinking that was holding a bag of Taco bell she was on the Bachelorette cat only one bag to give and had to figure out which one to give it to. TACO. Bell Line. Really. Worked there yeah. TACO bell she had like twelve pack of Tacos and designing to give them to between the two and surprisingly the Benjamin Franklin's also worked out as well because it's all about the Benjamins baby. Exactly. What do we think about? How does how does someone dying of thirst and leaving them for the buzzers take care of compared to leaving them stuck treading forever and a swimming pool without a ladder and not giving them a drink of lava. Kind of feels like you're just giving them a different type of definitely on. Yeah Right. This is like how slow versus how fast you want them because really you're putting them out of their misery if you give them, love us it's like I'm not GonNa, save you, but I'm going to help you die faster. Is it the big. Would you rather really would you push the button? And I and I do like that. The boom mic holder who knew he was full of such wisdom what goes across comes across there very helpful out there which makes me speaking of toss across that game where you have to throw the beanbags to play. TIC TAC toe. Wait what is that? Is it like cornel but like with the TIC TAC toe board yet essentially yeah. It's a tic TAC toe board and they're like tiles that can flip over and so you have to throw the beanbag and flips over the top to try to score three in a row. Okay. Yes. Yes. I know what you're talking about. Yes. I'm actually surprised. I didn't do that as an immunity challenge is one considering how low the budgets were. GonNa? Say That would have been too too much. They needed something not as skilled as that. There is still going for the whole tribal thing to you know what mean and I don't think toss across really came from Borneo. Toss across Taco Bell I'd like that challenge. Has. I'm trying to think of all the sponsorship deals. It's never been Taco Bell Taco Bell's number sponsored. I. Don't think they've ever had a Mexican sponsor. It's always been like that like Corey point like that more generalized a cow's restaurant between that and like applebee's there's nothing really. I don't know he's too. Yeah I. Don't think we've had like a special cuisine sponsored as someone who's had Taco bell delivered via Uber eats it doesn't travel well so I can understand why they didn't have. Flown into Borneo. Shipping across the Pacific. Ocean is probably that idea a hard shell Taco with sour cream does not. Carry, well, long distances there's there's actually a reward earlier in the season, we're Jervis wins one slice of Pizza from Pizza Hut, and so I can imagine like one Taco from Taco Bell transported via helicopter is not going to. Know. Gosh. That would be so funny. You one one, Taco Bell. Burrito is not even supreme not. Can't even? Yeah that's how you have to negotiate with. Jeff though I'm sure it like I. Think even the best negotiators like you're you're you're drew. Christie is could probably have gotten a trap supreme out of it. I think anything with any type of crunch is probably a bad idea. Right. So yeah, we'd have to go with only only soft-shell type deals imagine approaching jeff being like. A give you this fishing equipment for a number nine. would be thinking like I would be thinking. Like whereas my Bob last. Congratulations to both of you. I think we have significantly gussied up one of the most infamous speeches in television history. Now, I do think that survivor coasters versus Ninjas might be thing but I feel like the audience would hate it because it feels like nobody's making moves because it's either what like people who do nothing in the game versus people who are barely seen yes it was going to say imagine the boom operators. Travel Chase down those ninjas like that's just not gonNA happen. Oh Gosh. Okay. Well so I have is something that I want to talk about which. I did not remember the fact that the final four immunity challenge was given in front of the jury. Having like, Oh yes. Completely remember this happening because I wanted to think why wanted to decide one? Should they bring this back like this type of challenge or two? Is there another style? Or type of challenge that they could do in front of the jury that would actually make a difference so I loved the fact that this challenge was questioned about them. Whereas I feel like Oh for like I can't remember when Amazon the final three was in front of the jury I know his tribal. I remember that, yeah I'm trying to remember I, feel like that or the Thailand one wasn't front of the jury. Of this challenge. So this was done in the first four seasons. It was broken virus, FBI towery secretaries, luxury item during her season was notebook. So she knowing the challenge coming just wrote down all the details she knew about people and pretty much was able to study up on them and crush this challenge which obviously led to the infamous purple rock stuff. So they they got rid of it afterwards but I agree with you I really like this because I feel like again like the. Even, forty seasons in the toughest part of the survivor game to personify is the social game. Right? Is like showing how people bond with other people, and this is a great way to do it the only closer we got into it with. KRISTOFF. Back going down each jury member and saying I remember this about you I remember that about you. So maybe that's the closest thing is like say a memory about each person didn't she name someone's sat or act scores or something like that? Yeah I think it was Cole's Act's. That should have been a question. because. Yeah I don't know I. I I feel like remembering random facts about them like is that really what I want see but I want something that brings more drama out of the jury final three, four, whatever relationship corey because I feel like they don't really get to see all that much. Yeah I really liked. reliving this challenge and I kind of had forgotten that it was something they used to do and I completely agree. I liked that it shows kind of the interpersonal relationships that develop on the island. And I also am like the I would very much be that person who knew every little fact about somebody? which is also probably why like the challenge? But Yeah I think as strategic as the game is there is a big of creating the genuine relationships so. I enjoyed it could there be something where instead of a challenge in front of the jury, you win the ability to like do speed dating with the jury or something really get to sit have thirty seconds with each one too just like chat I don't know because like I like that idea like jury player interface without being like the extortion advantage of them directly influencing the game. The thing I also really liked about this as well as you guys said I, think it really showed a lot in terms of like what these people valued just look at. Kelly who printed like. At the end but it super well compared with I know they were grousing on Rudy before Duncan on bill like he is a good or know anything he doesn't know what services job is, but rooted is not finishing last. That is Richard Hatch by a country mile to the point where he did not remember that Jenna Lewis had kids and she was the one who didn't get her video where they said if you can't, you don't have to talk to your kids. So not to say that Richard Hatch was like an uncaring person but I think it was very clear to him like this was business this was professional. So I think he regarded them maybe a bit less like. Interestingly, then Kelly did and as a result, Kelly's going to lose three boats four but I think she gets three votes in part because of what she did I thought it was also really funny when Jeff was still asking questions in the final immunity challenge. and. I think he said something about like what's Rudy's wife's name or something and enriches like I had no idea. Easier one closest ally no idea. What was the wife's name was. Crazy I wonder like, do you think of is just that Richard? Didn't ask Rudy to think like Rudy Senate and Richard just forgot about it. I mean it was so interesting because even calling tried to like clock Richard because he said observation was a skill that he brought to the table and it was interesting to relive that and hear. Him kind of explain the difference to colleen about. Observing people how they're acting on island versus observing them getting to know them personally is obviously it was a big separation between the two strategies of the two finalists. Yeah. No, Thou that actually was really interesting and I thought that Richard did a really great job in the final tribal performance. I mean, clearly, he actually had thought about all of the strategy of the game before even coming into it whereas others did not. But to hear him, then be able to articulate that especially because throughout the whole season, we get very little time at tribal council and so this was like the opportunity to hear his strategy and to be able to talk about those nuances and the difference of how he approached it I thought was also just like super fascinating. Okay. Here's here's my idea for a challenge and it's a little big brother a but what you do is you have like seven or I guess. S-, five at that point like little mannequins of the jury members and you have a bunch of plaques in front of you that have like facs on them like born in new. Jersey has kids named Sabrina and Sadie et Cetera, and you have to arrange them. So like everyone has three facts and then whoever gets it like, whoever gets it I with all the correct answers, wins immunity or something. I like that idea I think another thing on that same note is from. The challenge that we've seen a couple times where Jeff tells a story and not the not the Blair witch project one. Where he tells the story and then you've to go to each of the stations and then collect I think in second chances we saw it where you have to collect like answer the question, collect that token comeback, unwrap it, and if you know you collect six or whatever. It could be a question but I I love the part that it has to be in front of the jury. So I don't know how the jury would actually watch that whereas the pedestal msci mix matching kind of deal. To the stations and they would like give away the medallion. Down specific person standing there s Asian. Being like. It'd be like what circuits they have. I don't know like really you don't know my kids names I haven't shut up about them since they were. Gosh. Okay. Well, who knows maybe one day we'll never see challenge like that again or maybe it could be something again I don't want to keep going back to brother but what if they get something along the lines of like that final H. Challenge the did a couple of times. When asked what her favorite moment in the game was Su said Hey I got to stunk on Shaun's dad or be. Tapioca. Gosh. Those are crapshoot he may be in the right way like someone petty enough would get upset the you. Know the answer to that even though it's an opinion, not a fag. I mean I definitely think people would score Brownie points with me if I felt like one person remembered things about my life or aspects of who I am and another person just gave no craps whatsoever oh yeah. No for. And, I think that's why the social so important on survivor. So I if I were on the jury knows always like I wouldn't be bitter. Might be a little bit especially. They didn't know anything about me I. Don't I don't know how you can. Be a little bit better because this is a game you're in twenty, four, seven, and so like your feelings are inevitably get involved and I think. It depends if if someone like burns you maybe you have different shades but if it's like I agree with Corey if someone's like I don't remember what you do for a living it's like well, then what were you paying attention to and if that's the case like what? Were you even treasuring the time that we spent out here that we spent together I mean wasn't it to like Samoa. Didn't. Was it who said something that mic like can you tell me anything about me in literally in his jury speech it was literally tell me something about Bison. And he didn't know anything. Yeah, I remember that I'm pretty sure that's what it was I. It was asking I think. So yeah, I think so too. We've we've seen it a bunch of times. I remember a penny in Thailand was like, Hey, you know what do you know about me and prion literally said like I know nothing and clay gives this whole laundry list of things. So yeah, it's it's been something that's been recurring. It's understandable sentiment among players of like did you even get to know me at all? That'll be my question bank that my brain. Ever. Play imagine doing that during this new final travel council right there like what does that fit into oh? Yeah. That's a good question outplay. No I don't think. So definitely, not outlast outwit maybe I guess by. Become the catch all. Because I think outplays become like the twists and out what is like literally everything else then outlasts the final speeches. Yeah. You're just like Hey Jeff I'll kick it off. Okay. So tell me all your favorite things about. You love about me and why am I your favourite Juror Is My question then. You go to a little bit of like discourse circling back to my. Oh. Yeah. I Love I love the concept of like taking it upon yourself because nobody wants to start out I. don't worry guys I'll help out. No worry. Oh. My goodness. Okay. Well, speaking of the all the contestants that we got to meet on this season of survivor, we have the first final rites of passage which we alluded to at the beginning where they have to walk through palm fronds where the natives are chanting Sando Var. Spirit around you, they then have to pass the staffs of their fallen comrades and as Jeff Drope says, has you go take a moment and reflect on them. So we are going to do the same thing. We are going to take a moment going to reflect on them. So what the survivor episode does is it plays a video. Of each of the contestants. And so you're guys are going to try to guess what was in that video. So it's GONNA be true or false I'm going to read the description of the video and these are very, very short clips so like four or five seconds Max. And you'll have to tell me true or false is that what? So and so was doing in their video? I was pretty stunned watching that because my memory of the rites of passage I'm pretty sure they did this from season two onwards until it went away was like you know people I think they took like an extra from that person's final words or like day after video and like said it to a montage of things I was stunned that tear portly on it was essentially a Gif of congestion. Memorable moment in the season which makes some of these hilarious. But Anyway I. Digress. Okay. So we're just going to go one by one corey we'll start with you. So the first eliminated contestant is, of course, Sonia which by the way they spell her name wrong on the little. Right. At least Kelly Moore last. Yeah. That's true. Christopher on there that's harder to misspell than. So we're. told the J. Right which is pretty uncommon. But. Okay. So Corey, this question is for you was Sonja playing the Ukulele. True that is correct. Yes. That one is true. Probably because I don't know how much other footage they. Her falling. Yeah. That's the only member of her leg in my brain ever. Leeann going back to our a podcast of this rewatch I'm surprised that she didn't talk about that on Jon Stewart. Yes. So Corey we did the first episode of Borneo and I found an interview with Sonia with John Stewart from the daily show from. Like it right after she. Was hilarious. Ra Mike. This is for you. We're talking Anderson. was BB grimacing and cutting something with a machete. Oh okay. I feel like bb worked a lot on the shelter. So I feel like he was grimacing probably not cutting up. So I'm GONNA say false. I'm sorry that one was true. Yes. Now to be fair, it looks like the machete I tried to stop when he pulled it back but it was so zoomed in on his face really all you could see was the grim say. That's all that matters. Such an odd choice. Corey, we're going to go back to you. This was of course stacey. Stillman next contestant booted was she getting her torch snuffed out despite the fact that her torch was extinguished because of the? Pouring rain. Falls out is correct. Yes. She was goping back worship eating. All the Bhutan. Yup, so she was swallowing the larva at the gross food eating challenge. It's such an incredibly flattering shot of her like Gulping Food and then sticking her tongue so far out of her mouth to show that her mouth. Gene Simmons touches the bottom of her very long. Yes. I mean she went to Richard Hatch ice cream shop like she put them out of business. Okay Okay Ramona Gray Mike this is free. You was she walking around camp in her red dress Sarong thing. I, YOU'RE GONNA ask you machine of wooden spools like she wasn't her insurer shot. I don't. Think. So I'M GONNA say false that is correct. So I don't really know how to describe this but. It was a very close up shot of really only her face. She was breathing heavy her mouth was open and her face was covered in either water or maybe sweats. She in Labor I I try to even watch like a thirteen minute clip of Ramona's highlights from Borneo to. Weirdos from and I think it's what she was goofing around with the tribe in the water and she gets like. It wasn't one for one, but it looked very similar. The shot looked very similar. Okay. Corey. This is for you. This is Dirk Dirk Bean bean new. Is. He sitting in the thinker pose with a Bible on his lap. And he's sure is That's right. Yeah the. Bible. I knew the Bible was there with them. That was what gave it away. Yes he was praying or meditating or something. But the Bible is absolutely on his lap. Mike we'RE GONNA go back to you. This is jol was Joel pumping his fist in celebration after throwing the spear at target. ooh, I know that was one of his big moments as much as you want WanNa talk about dogging guy on national TV. I'm I'm GonNa say yes and that's only because I recently read his his interview Dalton Ross where he said like that was the moment he would wanna go back to well true forever encapsulated on the Finale of survivor. Yes. He was so excited. So happy. This is literally forty. This. Yeah, right. Corey. This is for you. All about Gretchen Corti was Gretchen talking and smiling. I'm sorry that's a citizen. Can Be. Did she have her hat. I say. No she wasn't talking or. I'm sorry she was both. Smiling. Yes. I was looking for anything else to distinguish what was happening and that was literally the best I can do. Mike this is what was Greg doing was Lord I. Was Greg standing in the water with immunity necklace around his neck. On the coconut phone that is, yes, that is correct. He was on its cook. Yeah I tried to find something else. That would plausibly work but no, of course, the thing that ever on remember is the most about Greg is coconut phone. I can't really think of any other maybe like him holding his breath pulling himself along in the won immunity challenge run. But like, yeah that is the one moment of many greg moments I wish someone would bring that back on a newer season the coconut phone. Especially now, with like texting is such a big thing you could play. Empowers had the the wooden blackberry. Yeah. We don't have any like I wonder maybe apple put out a cease and desist. No not after season forty jeff was like you're you all played before an iphone. I forgot about that gem of a moment you played before an xbox. Just a member that that was like one of the moments to start twenty twenty. That's how we knew. It was going to be a weird year when Jeff probst is like, Hey, you played survivor before this thing happened this major invention. The most used browser when you played survivor was netscape. No. Corey, we're going to go back to you General Lewis was Jenna crying. In her video. I think she was yeah she was what an odd choice from what I remember her intro shot was also of her crying it was during again that infamous I can't see my kids and Richards pay not paying attention to that remark apparently used for the intro there you think that for this, there really are milking this thing for all. It's worth though I'm not comparing her to a cow just to be clear generalists talk about character traits. Site agree with you though. Vase. Speaking of one Jervis, a Peterson was and Mike. This is for you paddling the boat from that tribe immunity challenge where. Beat Taghi. Who? I I don't think so I wanNA feel like some sort of like because he's very high energy I want to say it's like him getting off the wrath and doing the infamous pose or like doing some sort of dance. Okay so you're going to save false. Yeah. Okay. So that part was correct. You're wrong with what you thought. He was doing he's getting a hug while wearing sunglasses with a cigar in his mouth because he finally if yeah exactly. Would that Goner was born yep? Yep Yep? The Cigar is still in its rapper also, which I thought was hilarious. That also is the same episode where he gets the one TACO from Taco Bell. helicopter. No Sour. Cream. NO SOUR CREAM FLEAS? A gory we're going to go back to you colleen was calling rocking back and forth in a hammock. No. Oh. Terry. Less squeaking on this version. Of the. So that's correct. She was not rocking back and forth in a hammock she was sticking her tongue out while painted in mud from the mud volcano. Or this is a tight game. So Mike this this one is for you and then I do have a tiebreaker if necessary. Dr Shawn was Dr Shawn Fishing with Super Bowl, two thousand in his video. ooh, so. He's got a few choices here. Right? He's got super bowl is got the coconut bowling alley and he's also got like when he saw his dad. But I, want. I feel like Super Bowl is probably the big ticket item. Say True that's correct. Yeah it was oh my. Okay, we have a tied score so nine. So we're going to go to Tiebreaker I. Don't entirely know how to do this I. Think what we're going to do is I'm going to have you both describe what you think sue hawk. Is doing and her video and whomever is close. John. Okay, and just to give some context, it's pretty general generic. Hype of Behavior Okay so we're not talking anything specific like it's not her her doing something. I don't know very wild. Okay okay. So Mike, we're going to start with you. Okay. Okay. Thank you. This is sue standing on the beach. There's probably a tree in the background. And she has her sunglasses on and I remember she has like weird sort of like she kind of looks like. What's his name David Letterman's old bandleader? Oh Shoot he was on the mass singer. What's his name? But anyway, she has those glasses on and her like hat and she's laughing like I feel like it was a joyous memory from Sou-, which is really the audience trying to like butter us up for this show us how acrimonious soup and be okay and cory will we'll go over to you. What do you think? Okay. So there she is sue. I was literally GonNa say those glasses to. I but she's she's definitely standing on the beach, but she's got her hands on her hips like like that superman pose like. She's just standing on. That's it. There's one tree behind her. Okay. There's only one tree. My did you specify the number of trees I want to say it was one horizontal onto log that was sort of like the one that Richard decide on in those first few days. Hey, let's see. I WanNa make sure that I get this as precise as possible. So I'M GONNA go pull up you are both very close. To to what this was. So let's go ahead and see I'm looking at her right now. Okay. So there's multiple trees in the background. So I think I don't know who gets. Quite. Unclear if she's on the beach so that is definitely not known. She one hundred percent has those glasses. Her. Foreshore. In fact, you know what? I'm just GONNA go ahead and do this so. I. I would say. I would say she's she's laughing I think so I might have to ultimately give the point to Mike here. Go She's she's wearing a bathing suit I. don't know if that indicates that she's on the beach. A. Survivor you wear bathing suits everywhere or your underwear. I guess in modern survivor. That's true. None of you commented on the cavity is that we could see an Hermoeller is no but. That's okay. That might be a level of detail just won one too much for this. But on her for giving up that four, thousand, three, hundred, sixty, nine dollars. That's that would have paid for some crowns yeah. Well I think ultimately, I'm going to have to give the win to Mike here but this was very close you both did amazingly well. On also, it's Paul shape policy. Also if you look at the picture of him on, Wikipedia, he's literally wearing. Sue. Shaver, you know fashion icons of our time. Kelly sunglasses were pretty great. I saw in that finale episodes well, Ya I missed those like early two thousands like never the. What you would call them like the principles. They're the ones with like the last back. Do you think also time to my question a bit. Do you think they should bring rice a passage because I know that that's something that a lot of old will fans have been like dead. They've eliminated the character from survivor. I'm a couple minds of it because like I feel like especially in the age of social media, it's not like we're not seeing these contestants again, you have the ability to. See, them if you want to. But I do wonder if the Borneo methodist sort of like a best both worlds where like you can have a minute, maybe even forty five seconds of just like a montage of everyone's faces in the lead up to the final immunity challenge just a reminder of course also when you have the edge of extinction, literally everyone is on the jury. So you're gonNA see them anyway. Well and it's I mean when I think of rites of passage, I always feel like in the later seasons when they were still doing it that it felt so unnecessarily long and this one went by quickly. But then I remembered there's a lot less contestants in season one, there are now is. I think I would appreciate it but mainly from the humor perspective because I wanted to be sure but I wanna see what is that clip they choose to show for each person what did they think really encapsulates that person's time on survivor. Yeah and I think there are some occasionally funny moments like depending on if a depending who the person is like. For example, the infamous Mary and survivor Micronesia they posted go i. don't really know a lot about Mary. There was one wear. In. Palau. Katie just like took genucel torch and just said nothing and just throw it overboard like there are fun little character moments. Though again to corey point I think the more time you spend on that. The more time you're going to marry this time, we're going to have to spend on other stuff. I think one way if you do WanNa have some moment and dedicated to each of the contestants is do that quiz who you were talking about make them answer question about each person and then that'll be their highlight moment Especially, I appreciated the whose shirt is this or WHO's jealous. That, it's like a lost and found. Who left this fine? To identify the owner of this lost item at least not. Maybe that's how you do it. You're Jeff probst and you pretend to be like a Walmart speaker and be like we need the owner of a one thousand nine hundred, ninety four Kia Sorrento who might that be Richard? Your lights are on. I do want to talk briefly before our last game here about I mentioned it before the decision Richard makes to step down from the immunity challenge because it was done very purposefully he says I'd like to make a speech this debate as to whether or not. That's a speech especially compared to what sued does. But it's vocalise later on rich admits to Jeff. I feel like. Kelly should take me. Maybe, she won't but I feel like she should and again maybe it's the first season them like this is a brilliant move. But at the same time, why on God's Green Earth Are you talking out loud about this. So you know again, Corey with for lack of the evolution of strategy of it all but what was it like for you to watch this back especially Richard being so up front and vocal about how it was a strategic move I mean I honestly remember when watching this the first time twenty years ago in thinking that it was crazy because I'm mike a competitive person and I would never do that but looking back on it, it's like There really was no other possible outcome. It's like I felt like both people were always gonNA. Take him because Kelly was worried about beating Rudy. So I know he he said a little bit in the episode that he just didn't think he would be Kelly in the and even if it came down to the two of them so he was kind of saving some time but I think. We all know how prepared for this game Richard was coming into it and I obviously he's had what was it ninety minutes before he gave up? That he really was able to sit and think and realize they're both gonna take me because they both think I'm a jerk and they both think I've rubbed some of the jury the wrong way. So I don't know I thought it was a great move and I kind of feel like also the fact that he articulated his strategy right then and there was strategy in and of itself because to essentially say out loud well, I think Kelly has to take me because I don't think she'll be rudy also puts that idea and reinforces that idea in. Kelly's brain, and so I thought that even though it seems so nonchalant, just Chit Chat with Jeff probst just sitting on the log eaten his orange slices but I think that that was calculated. I think that that that there was a reason why he went about it that way also like the jumping off also the way that he talked about a strategy afterwards. That's the thing. Is that again? Did you bring up a point that there? Maybe it's a little bit like mine fucker in their right of especially if Kelly does win and ends up voting him out like how is that going to make her look first off she's taken the biggest threat to the end, but also bridge can say like. I served you up an opportunity to take me why did you not take that up and what does that say about you? So it really was like a win win situation for him and it also again really formulated this point two of like challenge wins don't necessarily matter I mean Kelly puts forward and impressive streak but I mean we talk about this all the time when it comes to like should my qalaway? Have Ron above caroline or the whole. You Know Ben Versus Christie thing about certain facets of the game being judged in different regards the fact that Richard New like this part of the game more. So met like not that wedding challenge should be. The worst thing has meant that he would have to make a decision and actively betray his alliance with Rudy here he can have his cake whereas orange slice and needed to. I think also when you have the majority of the jury members, just giving comments not asking questions maybe their mind is already made. So. They're not really weighing the pros and cons of well Kelly won this many challenges. Barich was this knee deep in strategy. So I think it was a little bit more basic than that. It definitely seemed like they were all like even going back to like colleen's. Moment and her just being like we're all ready to go back to our songs now. Actually I, it's kind of like they acted a bit like it We were talking sequester step before, but it reminds me of like everyone in one of the survivors questions like Michele Fitzgerald became the first jared she's like I just wanted to go like why do I have to stay? It seemed like some of the jury. Heard I guess we have to do this like wait Rudy's not there that sucks. All right. Well I guess I'll have to vote for one of them. I guess a number like look if I vote, will you let us go home? Right. Where you're beholden to voter, you don't get on that L. vote or vote and vote yes I'm sure that was his catchphrase at the time he was reciting to. Work shopping some things he's calling the torch's stacking. Voter new boat could have been the original Spin Grin. Man If only like there's certain things I wish had had continued to permeate. Of course that line I'm sure that he was saying but also the trust of money was always just such a classic there should have been brought back. So you know who knows All right. So let's get into our final game here, and of course, this would not be an episode of the BNB without a game from the Great Sarah from Sydney. Well, actually a guested on last week's why coach lost podcast with David Bloomberg. So be sure to check that out if you WANNA put the voice and the name of the game. So another one of Jeff Use slogans I'm sure. Listen I secret for you. I wrote for him for so long De Ripe Age of ten I was writing for probes in Pulau teague Malaysia. Alright. So Sarah writes the Great Rudy Bosch said. Her number is up when voting off, sue. So this week, let's get numerical. All sorts of numbers were flying around in this episode. Can you guess the number from the numerology description or do you need a further clue? So here's how this is going to work. So I am going to give a clue about a number that is pertinent to this episode based on numerology which. Don't know ascribes meaning to numbers. It's like I don't know it's a bad to say it's like horoscope for numbers essentially. Exactly. Yeah. But certain numbers mean. So we'll see. If either one of you want to give a guest if you think you know what it is based on its numerology description if not, I'll give a further clue and then you can buzz in and say you know what the answer is obviously right you get a point if you don't. Get nothing and we'll give the other person a chance to guess as well. Do you each have individual buzzer sounds that you would like teves. Yes of course. I think I will go with squid ing. Okay. Quarry. I was just going to Hong also. We can have since quitting. What sounds do you squint? kind of like A. Watery Sound I. Don't think we want to do that on the pod. Guy. I mean. My Honk is just me saying Honk It you ever wanted to be. Exactly you're you're goose can make whatever noise you want. It doesn't even need. Is Phonetically. Okay. All right let's do this. All right. So again, I'm going to read a numerous numerous description or the number. You can guess then if you don't wait a few seconds clue. Answer the number. Yes. The answer will be the number. You know what I will say if you guess on the numerology clue without the second clue, you get two points began. Okay that's fair and have to wait for clue you only get one point. So there's that that means that we can give you incentive to try to figure out this stuff. Okay. All right. Let's start with question number one. This number resonates with optimism. We No. Okay. Wait hold on south down one SEC. So this was a number that was that was like on episode. Yep, and it resonates with optimism. Also. Yes. Gotcha. Give. Second Clears, the? First question. It's the number of pounds that Richard said he lost. Oh shoot. Squid ink. Thirty pounds. That is correct Richard Lost Thirty Pounds and apparently thirties a number that resonates with optimism which you can. Have weight loss like that's great it on you optimistic about your weight loss. I guess that's why I don't know maybe when people talk about like turning thirty maybe that's unintentionally like looking forward to the future like I'm optimistic about what's to come I'm in my thirties also would explain the fortune cookie that I had the other day just had the number thirty and I was like I don't know this means. Wait it. Terrible joke. Fine. Move On. It was like where you reading the numbers on the back. That over to the fortune, the lucky numbers on the back. To. The next one. This number is four creatively focused is this number is creatively focused on benefiting groups of people. What. This number is creatively focused on its four creatively focusing on benefiting. Squid ING. Is. It a three? It's not three. Or? Guess, where would you wanNA wipe your second clue I can guess is that two hundred? It's not two hundred. Thirty. Nine. I thought three because like. I guess you can have more. Hole. Do so you thought that the most creative group was when three P. Group of people because it's a pair of people telling to but a group of people is at least three and as. Are Our three people. A group of people is like, when do you go from like few to several to a handful, but we're talking about a group. Does. It can a group. Of people or does it cap it two hundred? Two hundred, WHOA WHOA WHOA. WHOA you're not allowed. This can't be a group. Of People. I don't know then what would have become several handfuls. So I guess I guess. Yeah I guess group could be three right 'cause like we've had group projects in school where there there are three people I'm assuming. Yeah Yeah. blots, the threes are. Thirty nine, it's like three and then three three is so it's like three groups of three people. So I think my logic was actually. Still. Got It. Wrong. All Right? Question Three Oh. No this makes it a group officially. This number is pragmatic and unselfish. Like the number itself. Or. Represents. While represents being pragmatic numbers. Despite what you might read on Fortune Cookies Leon numbers do not have personalities. I'll give you a second clue. This is the number of pounds that broody thought he lost. I can remember him saying this, Hong. All right cory. Twelve. I'm sorry it's not twelve hundred you have guess was. Eighteen. I'm sorry. Liam get it. If it was closeness twenty, two, twenty, two that he thought he loved. So I guess. Yeah and so twenty two, I is the most altruistic number. It's about being pragmatic and unselfish. I don't know about you look. My God Taylor put it all in case. That was the working title of the album I believe. Right. Selfish. All right. Here's the next one. This is the number of pursuing goals with diligence. Number. Pursuing goals diligence this is also the number of the episode. Oh. Ori. Team that is correct. Yes. Yes interesting I think thirteen is with family known for like just being a disaster of a number but apparently, it's also about like pursuing goals with diligence. Disastrous goals with diligence for. Yeah I guess theoretically. Bad Goals are still and you can personally than what diligence like murder is a goal Sure. Not One of my. My Vision Board please. Let's get it. Yeah I like how I was going to make a joke also, but I was going to go with a perm and Mike with murder for something. That's a bad goal. So nobody removed this quote directly add like put it under a picture of me. Goal. That's going to be my final KONRADS question like has a child said murderers. Update your twitter bio. U-TURNS an ally. was going to be my Ama. I'm going to ask people is myrtle sometimes. All right. This is the number of infinite potential. Liana. No quitting my thing honk. Infinity. nope. We're. Well. It is also the number of questions at the final four immunity challenge tribal council quiz thing. Hong? Yes Corey was it ten it's ten. Oh. I guess it is weird that ten is number of infinite. I don't know maybe when they were first inventing numbers they stopped. Ats Infinite, that's all we can do. That's all we can go where you can only make so far they ran out of. That's true. Infinite. Potential infinite fingers. They're like ten is here we go. The future will live in a world with more fingers that will have more numbers for how we're stuck at dead. They hadn't moved the toes yet. The Big Toe Thou quite the accomplishment. All right this is the number of family home and nurturing. Will I learned my lesson on the last one I'm going to wait until the. It is also the number of hours. The castaways say they have left in the game at the beginning of this episode. No I. Think yes. Corey. Twenty four, it is not twenty four. Lyod you have guess forty eight. Again. We give it to you if we were closer but it is sixty six on sixty way. What is sixty represent? Sixty six represents family home and nurturing. I can't wait to see one that then you'll have your fan I'll have I'll have a family and you'll be nurturing. That's what social security's about. Security Act yeah. Absolutely. Yeah clearly the people up there they're very into numerology so they made sure that sixty. It makes sense for me. I typically think of sixty minutes which I kind of think is an old person show but that's primarily because of Andy. Rooney, was on the show for such a long time. Yeah and the dvr would always catch his last little monologue before the amazing. Yeah Oh. Yeah. Exactly. I watched so much Andy Rooney before watching the amazing race before what the Friday it's. All right this number is determined intuitive and confident. Udaya. Bold number. It is also the number of castaways who started this journey. Oh. Squid ing six. Yes. That is correct. This one by far makes the most amount of sense to me out of any of them. Right, because it's like you sweet sixteen light, feel like know your place in the world a little bit. You have confidence. You feel a little more intuitive like this. This number makes a lot of sense to me. You were confident at sixteen I, thought I was. Good for you. I was not. Confidence Delusional confidence though right. Doesn't say accurate. Confidence. I remember my sweet sixteen when I got on the thank you all for coming. I finally now believed that murder is a goal and then they the party love to pursue my goals, a determination and whatever. All right final question here, and this is another one. This number is self sufficient. It can coexist with others, but it's comfortable alone. I'll wait for the second clue. It is the number of the soul survivors this season. Yes. That is correct. I was GONNA guess one before. All. This trick because this be like one hundred and eleven back. Is. This one million. Yes. So surprisingly, they're pretty on the nose with the number number one it's the one of independence doesn't really rely on anybody can exist with others but like it's more of an introvert than an extrovert I suppose. So by a score of three, two, two, Corey, you're the expert numerology just. Well I do have my Tarot deck cure in front of me so. You're prepared are their numbers associated with the cards? I mean yes. Some of them are like nine cups and stuff. Not like numbers if they're only number number. Numbers. Yes I see too. Aren't they I mean this is GonNa be made me sound Tarot. Cards are they like playing cards? There's like seven of pups in an eight of cups and nine of cuffs. Yes okay. You could get like a straight, but there's also like the moon and like death and the tower. So. You could also lose that be school though so he like what understand how the readings go and he'd be like identity that was my goal. Right. Royal. Flush Exactly Oh my goodness. All right I think I had a much better showing than the last time. I was at the BNB. I. Think I lost every game last time. and. I think actually like to book I believe you came on for the season forty premier when we were talking about iphones and you'll and Jeff probst and all that. So it really is coming full circle in a number of ways. numerology. So. hus- quitting zero. That's how many one last time. Yes. You got that right? You did. To now looking up at zero does have a media a at zero finger is that's like harder. I. Guess Oh. This is a little bit. It's a little bit of infinity as well. Right but it's like the beginning and the end the Alpha and the Omega Make sense symbol of nothingness and denotes freedom from limitations in this material, world? Oh. Ascended and achieve Nirvana you're zero. Chess. I was just hoping for being sixty and have a go home. And You get you get the six first and then you truly get zero and that's when you you truly ascend. I don't know as. As per usual this summer we've been trying to highlight pauses odd the BNB I know that this past week Haley shrunk our guests on the BB BNB plugged feeding America Dot Org, which is an opportunity for you to be able to find local food banks in your area to donate during the pandemic. Obviously many many people have been economically affected and have been without square meals feeding America has done such a great job of being able to deliver meals to thousands. Of people a week to be able to make sure that they are as well fed as possible during these very difficult times. But Corey I know I'm putting you on the spot here. But if the if there's any cause or any cherry that you would like to draw is to you can absolutely do. So you know I was just going to take a moment to remind everyone to register to vote if that because you should. Yes and it's very easy to do. So do that? Yes. Yeah. I registered by Tree Mail trail important for survivor and you know mail is so important now as well. Especially again, if we're for a time where we can't necessarily interact with can't stand in front of each other and yell at one another call each other coasters Ninjas make sure your vote is heard even if you're not able to attend tribal council in person I, think you can just go to vote dot Gov and there you have it. Yeah and if you can, you can register literally fill everything out for you and it's super super easy to do so I one hundred percents support that please. You think eventually you could with so many jury members you could like mailing your vote if final tribal council. I would hope so I guess you'd have less of the I'm over it attitude because they would be voting from home. Colleen could've. Voted so she could boat. Colleen would've voted from home for. One hundred for his that she would have been the first adopter. Or maybe you have like super delegates like if you know that like Boston Robin Poverty, you're GonNa vote together poverty shows on behalf of him like, Oh, I'm voting on behalf of me in Boston Rob you better like pitch to me. Well, that's the next iteration of fire tokens is super delegates. You bequeath your vote to some in the game and now they get to. Just trying to think of who I would want to represent me like what if rudy was your super delegates? That would go. Tell everyone how dummy is just sit back down. Worry. This was really really fantastic. It's an interesting book into our coverage of survivor in twenty twenty. So I'm so happy you're able to come on and build upon some successes from last time even to even more this time, you're getting closer to zero in terms of finding enlightenment. Shortly for people who wanted to to keep up with what you're doing out there, what are you up to and how can people follow you? I have new podcast episodes every Tuesday with my best friend Tyler he was the one on the amazing race with me. I've called psychobabble and yeah that's that's mostly what's going on. We're we're going into our six year. So lots of content you can catch up all right I I have to ask and look if you're not a big brother Fan if you're listening purely for survivor, feel free to now but I am so interested Corey somebody who participated on the amazing race season with Nicole with Rachel. Riley with Janelle. Yeah Jimmy reaction to how all the U-TURN vote drama made its way into Big Brother Twenty somehow this is This is the first season that I've ever watched the live feeds. And it's been so interesting because obviously I know two of the people personally and had met them in real life and it's like every time I just happened to be on was like I caught them talking about the mazing race so many times. It's I. I didn't really debrief with a lot of these people after we finish thirty one. So it's so interesting to hear. They're like hot takes on things that are so this guy he didn't so off base. Like. Did Elena Koehler saying that the amazing race teams all had a five-way alliance and we were all devastated when art and JJ got eliminated in the first leg and I was like I tyler I didn't speak to Wordstar jj like we couldn't have cared less that they were eliminated and an actually we wanted to work with the survivor of the big brother teams because we knew we had a little bit of an advantage. which is so funny to hear their. Takes on that sort of thing and. Yeah and Nicole. I mean I Nicole and Victor had said to us before that. They thought that we just wanted a final three with the amazing race teams and that's why we were trying to knock them out in fourth place. But it was truly just because we knew Nicole Victor were a better team than the Afghan animals going into the finals like it had nothing to do with it being a race alliance versus a big brother Alliance I'm like Nicole on Victor had proven themselves as a great team like we didn't WanNa race against them because they have animals were very mistake prone in those last few legs. No it's been so I love listening to the drama. It's I. I was shocked that Nicole. Getting along. But like I said, I hadn't really talked either of them a whole lot since we filmed the show. So it's just it's mind boggling to me because. To go into the Big Brother House and actually know somebody to be there with somebody that you competed with and they've let's just butting heads the whole time which. Just. Interesting. Berry interest I'm sure to hear everything. That's so misrepresented just like what do you even talk? A-. It sounds like when you're like probably could people even listen to this podcast and like we feel like we say something like, Oh this definitely happened like no no, it didn't like they can't hear you just there in a different location entirely and same thing. Yeah. Nicole said something about. Colin called and changed her and victor's flight reservation that never happened either. I'm like, what is she talking about? I mean, what are your feelings about the fact that like I mean you got to experience the the u-turn drama and again you know Rachel's on the house but like was it so palpable that you would genuinely expect them to like butt heads via proxy years later it's I don't know I really wouldn't. But I mean, I guess I in the funny thing is to also it's been interesting to hear Janelle say that she's like. She's like mad on behalf of her friends because. They weren't even there for the U-TURN vote and. I feel like there's some more layers there as to what's really going on. But Yeah I mean I live that moment and saw that frighten? Was Great. And Tyler and I had an advantage that nobody even voted for us and that you turn the vote, it was wonderful. It's amazing. All right well, Liana I don't think you can offer as much money until as that but you've got a lot of other great intel in the form of podcast. How can people catch? You can follow me on twitter at Liana. RHA We're keeping on keeping on with the. Candidates drag race coverage which corey was a fabulous guest a couple of weeks ago to to kick off are isolated coverage of that. We are only a couple episodes away from the finale. So I think it's going to be very interesting and then also Mike and I of course are talking about big brother over on the He Big Brother BNB. So we're doing that I'm doing the live feed updates all that jazz just having a lot of fun. Corey. But a couple of weeks who are you pulling out of this final four? For Canada's drag race. Yeah I. Think I'm all in Jimbo. Jimbo. Yeah. What did you think about Jimbo and Bimbo from this past week now that we're talking about reality TV? I. I was eating it up. I mean that's that's also like par for the course though I like the thesis statement drag race is like amazing cast what's going on with the judges and I think this episode is like an indicator of that. Yeah I mean. I feel like Jimbo's ben kind of like sexy clown the whole time. So for them to be like read for it in a makeover, I was a little confused. I ate it up. Yeah. Baffling. Anyway. We we talked to on track because it was like. Are you say that you want glamour from Jimbo but you want camp from Jimbo when she's giving you both and this is such a good makeover. made no sense to yeah. That's and also Priyanka War Two balls on their heads and said, you went this shelling matching flapper dresses. Don't get me started down that rabbit. Ostrich hoofs like. Of like. We're sort of winding down our survivor coverage. If you have a reality show that you want to check out Kennedy drag race again, the judging will make you WanNa kind of rip your hair out but it's a really, really fun. Shell so Shing this season I just felt so light compared to some of the other I mean we're going on almost a year straight of having a drag something to watch every weekend and I haven't talked highly enough about how Canada has just felt like a breath of fresh air that we need. And you can always follow me at a Mike Blimp type, of course, as aside from the BBC and check out the exit press that I do every week or grey dot com spoke this past week within the coal anthony. Speaking this next week with the next person going out of the house who may or may not have been on the race with cory. We shall see I also got to appear on the Saturday night roundtable as well breakout everything with the rising and falling mostly falling legacies. Stars, of course, we're doing beyond top chef. We're doing tough as nails coverage with one of Corey's friends, Phil Cogan as the host and guesting occasionally as well. Then over on recap, we're going down the hatch and I stopped in for Josh Wig covering a lovecraft country and Spiderman homecoming. So I had a lot of stuff to check out. One of the things you won't be checking out is these survivor being and be has for the first time since. February Ileana. We are not going to be talking about survivor and I will say like this was an incredibly I know we talked about this basically every week but this was such a fun exercise such a great thing to do to commemorate twenty years of survivor like winners. It was one thing but to actually go through some of the best episodes in survivor history especially, one dating back twenty years was such is this absolutely refreshing? This was so fun almost. With winners at war as well. Reminded me what I love about survivor and how much I love survivor and getting to relive all of these classic moments was just such a blast to go through this process and I'm so happy that cory could be here to wrap everything up and the best way possible and Mike of course, is a always fabulous to go through the starting with you. Oh, likewise Liana special things to not only corey but our other guests shining gus keep a winokur alley last year for our ridiculous drinking game. Hundred episode, Jordan Calif Shantelle Francis Kevin McLean nice show up Negra. Thank you all so much and expect to see more of these people either on other coverage of other reality shows or what's to come. I would imagine Liana that survivor being be specifically will come back one survivor comes back I don't think in the cards right now to do another one of these rewatch things especially with big brother going on so it'll be weird but this, this might be the last time we talk you survivor quite close our doors for over juvenile. Okay Tighten up those cucumber baths Zada thing sure mike anything sounds like a euphemism for something. They cut up or KAZ. Depends on their. Religious affiliation. Sweat like a Mike Bloom and a cucumber bath. Oh, boy please don't put that a second quote under the picture. Will that being said if you have any game ideas specifically for big brother side of things, please feel free to email us. All Right J. P. B. N. B. That come Urfa just want to check it and say, hi, we have been so thankful to our listeners that have been along this journey of four. 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Why ______ Lost Survivor 37 with David Bloomberg & Jessica Lewis | Season Preview

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Why ______ Lost Survivor 37 with David Bloomberg & Jessica Lewis | Season Preview

"If you loss survivor in, you're feeling down TV in Jessica. Bill Briggs down the rule sandwich show you. Zane you sound and gab bullying? This is why blank logs. Bob line. We need these. Hello and welcome to the special preview edition of why blank loss. I'm David Bloomberg and I'm obviously David joining me once again is my co host Goliath in her own. Right, Jessica Louis. Thank you so much thinking Goliath, although I'm pretty sure I'm David too. So let's face it the way these things are defined. It's it's kind of like, yeah, you, you know, I, I look back and I think, well, I'm obviously David because of the way I grew up in my father was employed for several unemployed for several years, and you know, I had to work to help him pay the bills and things like that. But on the other hand, well, now I'm a manager and I have thirty people working for me and kind kinda like, well, which is it because you look and you see one of the people on the goliaths. She grew up in much poorer circumstances than I did. But right now she's in charge of her own company basically, right? We're called her David, but he she's on the Goliath tribe, you know, and I using it's interesting because they the distinctions that were made about some of the people and why they were David's versus why they work lives ten me scratching my head. And then some of the things that Jeff gropes was saying was that people. Could blossom into Goliath, and I don't know. So maybe you and I started out as David's and we've blossomed into liable because my so my story is so similar to like working at age eleven. That's what I was doing. Put myself through college. My parents were poor dairy farmers, and we struggled all the way through and I kind of as Jeff prophesy claw my way out of it. But I don't know. I think it's quite fascinating though, but I do think there's some people that have been placed on tribes that I'm I'm scratching my head about, but they always are. That's true. That is true every year. There's someone where we're a little bit confused, but we'll get through that. We definitely well, right. Well, anyway, for newcomers to this podcast, welcome. That was an extended introduction there for those who have listened before. Welcome back. So just to bring new listeners up to speed, I wanna give quick summary and history of the podcast. Once the season begins will be here every week to discuss what each voted out player did right and wrong in terms of rules. I originally wrote back after the very first survivor season and have been updating ever since discussions about each player used to appear in my columns on the reality news online website, which I created and ran for a long time which I had to close down several years back. But the column was reborn as a podcast with rob sister Nino and me a couple years ago, and then we switch things up to bring Jessica on board a couple of seasons ago. So that is a brief history of y blank lost. And I was very, very shocked and grateful that you thought of me so, and I've enjoyed it ever since it's been amazing. It has. It has been amazing with you here so so. So before we start, Jessica was your summer Ben. What have you been up to other than watching survivor? South Africa, can I just tell you? I have been incredibly busy. It's been non stop. Usually summers are supposed to be filled with. I don't know, relax, -ation, beverages lane by the pool. I really didn't have any of that. It was. It's just been crazy busy. And now that school has started with the kids. It's like we are at all speed ahead. I feel like I'm on a little mouse wheel that just going, where's that a gerbil real. I don't even know one of those things that just goes around around around around you never stop. That's what my summer has been, and that's what my life just continues to be. So that's me nothing real exciting. I did go to hearts reality, which was great. That was super fun and got to meet a lot of great people raised money for a really wonderful cause, and I apologize to. Some fans out there that you know, maybe I post too many pictures about it. Well, that's good because there was there was there was some commentary on another podcast, which I can't complain. I love them both, but I just thought it was funny that, yes, I do post pictures as is everyone else who went out there also, let's face it. Anyone who follows you on Twitter wherever else should know you post pictures. I do because it's so much fun. This whole social media platform thing has been almost like an experiment for me because I never did it before I went on survivor and now I love it. So sorry if you don't like the photos, but I do enjoy the photos very much. We know so, and I'm getting you there. I am getting. I know. So listeners who follow me on Twitter, speaking of Twitter or who are in the arch patron, Facebook group, all already know how part of my summer went. And that was that I had a heart attack almost exactly three months ago before I even turned fifty. This is what the survivor offseason does to me the stress of what am I gonna do. There's no survivor not good if it causes that much stress for you. Yeah. Well, luckily there's international survivors so that you know. But you know, so I spent much of my summer recovering from that getting back to normal and finish my cardiac rehab program couple days ago, and I'm feeling good is a matter of fact, I'll even be traveling to New York for the know it alls live next week, and I'm so jealous. I want to be there and I, I don't see it happening just said, yeah, I have. I have a really horrific trial schedule up and coming. So I have multiple trials and multiple investigations that are just too too time consuming for me to really give up two days at work. And I saw them very sad about that. I tried. I looked at it. I was like, maybe, but that's not going to happen. I'm pretty sure I'm going to be on trial that week. So that's and just to be clear for people, you're not actually on trial. A prosecutor should I should guess clarify, I actually have to prosecute multiple cases. Yes. So the cases that I have been coming, so you know, I'm not in trouble. Thank goodness. But yes, thanks for the clarification because I think I'm, you know, some criminal. See red gone wild on that one. What did she do. Everyone's going to try to figure it out. Well, that's why I was busy. So there that's part of my, my life is very busy. 'cause my job is very busy. I love it, but super-busy. Well. While I'm there, I will think of you because I'll be wearing key shirts from you. And in fact, one thing that helped me feel better where some birthday presents I got from you including shirt that says, I may be wrong, but it's highly unlikely. I thought it was perfect. I'm so I showed it to several co workers and they said, oh, yes, she does. You. And I do hope that when you watch the show, you have your damn at all with you so you can angrily beat it up when things don't go your way. And when I'm right, those few times that I'm actually right, you can take it out on the Bill. So yes, that was another one of the items. And there were a couple of other things would fund things. And there was also a heart's reality program autographed by a huge number of reality show people. So thank you and everyone who helped you because it's really awesome. Yeah, and I was sad when I started to go through it and see who had been missed. Only thought there was a couple, and then I realized I don't know what was going on with the ghost island people. I think quite a few of them had walked away from their their table for a bit. But are you saying they ghosted apparently because I was like, wait, where's this person? Why didn't this person sign? But I'm glad that we got so many for you and that you enjoyed it. So, and that was that was actually errands idea. My husband thought of it and I thought that's a great. That's a great plan. So I'm glad it came together. We to me too. So thank you again. All right. All right. So. Today, we're going to talk about the players and make some predictions which you love to do, you know, as anyone expect for preview show, and I know that there's a lot of preview shows out there. So thank you to anyone who's already made it this far. So, but you know what's special about our show is we will also address how we think they will do with the rules, at least in some cases where we can figure that out and also discuss some tweaks that I've made to the rules for the season. Now before we get to that, I do wanna mention over the summer. There were two why blank one podcast covering new-zealand survivor and South African survivor. As I mentioned, those international survivors that kept me going during the during the off season and you Jessica were able to keep up with South Africa. So we did that one together and I had special guest Shannon gates on the New Zealand podcast with me. So I encourage everyone to watch those seasons if you haven't already and to listen to those podcasts if you have and listen to him, even if you haven't, who cares? If you're never gonna watch. We will actually have a couple of samples from the South African season in some of the new changes to the rules. So. Those will come up. I don't think they're particularly spoiler but don't be surprised when those are there. So we can start with those rule editions. Now anyone who would like to confine the full set of rules posted at rob has a website that com slash survivor rules. And right now is last season's version. I don't think we've had a chance to host the new version yet. We'll try to get that new version posted as soon as possible. Most of the additions don't really change the rules themselves, but they add some new specific examples, and we're not gonna worry about discussing those particular things here. Rather we'll focus on the things that are more substantive. And one I think you know does deserve mention is the very first one where I added a note to the first rule in that first rule tells players to scheme in plot. The note emphasizes once again, how important strategy is compared to actual survival elements. Now, this is should be no surprise to anyone. But last season Jeff, Probst talked about the reduced rations and it sounded like he was trying to put providers in a better position within the tribe and we kind of lamented that come on, you know, what do you do here? Jeff? But then we barely heard anything about it during the season. And of course strategy still ruled the day. Yeah. So if it's not going to matter in a season where they cut the food supplies that much, let's face it. It's not going to matter ever. Well. And how about just all the rewards where food is a so. Associated to it. I mean, I, that's I realized they've been doing that for a long time in the survivor world, but the very early seasons. I mean, I think the, I think, and you have to correct me if I'm wrong. But like one of the first times we actually saw food as an option as opposed to compete in the challenge was when it was the chocolate and peanut butter, you take off your clothes, we'll give you chocolate peanut butter whole thing. I think that's like the first time that was rob when you know season like the first time he was on. So I, I don't know if that's where it kind of came from. But from there it's it's grown exponentially where there's full meals being offered to people regularly as part of a reward. And so it's it's not just chocolate and peanut butter anymore. It's full burgers and drinks and fries, and and so you're being hungry is really quite limited unless you never win. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think it's. I don't think it's a huge. Issue anymore. Just really don't think there's, there's even if you don't win. They're still plenty of things to eat. I didn't win hardly anything out there, and I still felt great. So I, I think your body acclimates to it. Yes, somewhat. I think we've seen in in cases where it's particularly bad like the in in the triple h season where they were just kind of moping around like zombies. That was funny. That was quite funny. So it not that it can't negatively affect you? It certainly can. It all depends on how the game plays out, but it's it's not just don't feel like it's as much of an issue as it used to be in the earlier seasons. Yeah, definitely. I agree. So so anyway, that was just an addition that I made to the first rule there. The Senate rule which warns against scheming and plotting too much had a couple of the more substantive changes. I in the section dealing with the reasons for never letting your target ahead of time if your voting them out. There was already discussion about how the prevalence of idols a very good reason to avoid doing this. I added an example from South African survivor that shows just how important the blindside aspect can be. Because if things had gone differently, the whole season would have been turned upside down. And that was a situation where I think that was she was ridiculous for thinking that that was actually going to happen. That's what I. Well, that's true. You know, I mean, but you know, she tried and there are a lot of times when people will say, well, you know, we wanted them to feel okay, so we just let them know when it was going to happen. And in this case, that person had an idol unknown to anyone else and just would have been really bad for them. So again, another big reason not to later in the second rule. I pulled out a side note that had been in there and had been growing a little bit and put an expanded discussion of it at the end of the rule as a special corollary. And this is the warning that while players still have to keep their scheming secret, they need to avoid keeping it to secret or else. No one, we'll give them credit at the end of the game. At first we only had one or two examples of this, but now it seems to have grown like an epidemic to the point that I felt I needed to expand my discussion of it. We've seen it happen to Steven. That was the first, you know, obvious one, but more recently, Aubrey. Ryan, laurel, even Dominic plus even happened on South Africans survivor. Now we did absolutely see that in the South African survivor. And I think that that was that vote at the end was very good example of the jury. Looking to the two people sitting there and knowing a lot about one kind of thinking they know aloud about the other and the one that they kind of think they know a lot about not really building and adding to what they think they know about. It's the jury wants to have something to grab onto. And if you don't give them something to grab onto, they'll find something that the no about the person and use that as an excuse for their vote. So I do think that in that was a perfect example of someone who I think played the game exceptionally well. But unfortunately it wasn't visible to the people that were deciding her fate, and that's just so yeah, I, I think that was that was sad for her, but a good example of why this rule has expanded definitely. All right. So skipping ahead to the seventh role. So in other words, I didn't have a whole lot to add to the ones in the middle there. It discusses idols in advantages, and I added a paragraph about fake idols because as they proliferated players have gotten savvier about protecting them. So you can't just throw together a shell in a couple of pieces of string. Now, players expect parchment to go along with it. So you either need to have a real note or a good reason that you don't have a real note either way much like when you're bluffing at a poker table, you really need a story to sell it. You can't just, oh, look what I found. They're not gonna buy that. And I think the way that the game has developed, you have so many more super fans, and you could easily add to this rule even further that the theme of the actual season can affect whether or not you can use a fake idol. And Lee saw that with the ghost island where. Relics were coming back and old items were coming back and people's familiarity with those former idols. And those relics actually caused one of the fake idols that was made to not even be used. So it's it's become so significant in the game so much so that it can actually affect whether or not you can use them depending on the theme. And I don't think we'll see next to -sarily ghost island theme again. But people have become that savvy because they're paying attention that much and they're watching the show with that much involvement. I agree. And if we ever did have a ghost island two or something like it, then we would definitely about point need that extra section that you're talking about. There. I get a little added bonus. Maybe. Are finally in the pen expe- which discusses the jury phase of the game. I added a quote from a South African survivor player. John was talking to another player and trying to convince him away from his path of doing what he considered to be the quote, unquote honorable thing. And she pointed out to him beating the best doesn't mean you have to stand up against them at the end beating the best means you vote them out and they're on the jury. This is a great summary of what I've always said. You don't want to face off against a strong opponent at the end. You want to have gotten rid of them before that point. Yeah is then you can point at them when they're sitting in the jury and say, hey, I put you over there and get credit for it. And the other juries members will probably feel the same. You would hope anyway you on. That is true. You would hope it would definitely hope. Yeah. Those. So those are the major additions and changes with with those preliminaries done. I think it's time to start talking about the David versus Goliath contestants. I'm excited. All right. Well, we will begin with my. I mean, the David Drucker. I, I am frustrated because we talked about this at the end of the last season about how was David versus Goliath, and that you were really going to be the David, and I was going to be the Goliath, and I love so many of the David's. Let's good, David. Let's face it. David's are loveable they really are. They really are. So we'll we'll try to get through this and see if we can make it. But I, I do. There are alive silo too, but I just I, there's a spot in my heart for some of these David so much so. And we'll see. We'll see what happens. All right. Well, we will go in alphabetical order by first name for those of you playing along at home. That means. We will start with by who is twenty eight year old, m a fighter, and that fact, and just taking a look at her tells me that I don't think she'll be voted out right away. Due to any challenge problems because the tribal want strong women for the challenges. However, she just started watching the show and after binging succeess ins, she made the statement that nobody knows what makes a winner as if she suddenly an expert. Well, while by we are the experts here and we say that, yes, we do know what makes a winter. Yeah. Is it the or is it by? I thought she was killer bee. I thought that was her. Her MMA name was killer bee. I think you're right. I think you're right. So sorry, be. But b, I make sense to say by, but the only reason I believe it's be- besides, I think that's how it killer bee. That's what sticks out in my mind is her, her name was killer bee. So basically there are some hard to pronounce names and I managed screw up one hundred center. Listen, I've been there too. I did that for a whole episode. I think I Helen was Kalin remember that. We've been there we've been through so so sorry. So you know. Like I said, we do know what makes a winner. We do a y blank one podcast every season. So she's acting a little bit too much like an expert after this. Also, she said in her CBS bio being a fighter, a great strategist before fight. Besides the physical training, we watch and study film on our opponents to assess and strategize how to defeat them. Most of all I am Apfel and the thing is she won't have film or be able to study her opposition ahead of time. We'll have to do it all on the fly. So for her sake she will need to be as as she claims and then some. But I have to question her ability to properly assess for fellow players because when I heard her talking on, I one out about season thirty five. Well, I came to the same conclusion that rob did his Nicole's cast preview. She was watching a different show than I was. Yeah, because what she said about Ben doesn't match up some with Ben, but it doesn't match up with how Ben one. And you know, I don't know how she assesses the people around her if she couldn't see what was on. TV in front of her. Yeah. So on top all that type of strategy that's necessary fight is different from the type necessary on survivor? Yes. And the big difference in the big problem I think she's going to have is when she's fighting in her EMMY fights. She's fighting against people who are also training to fight in. She's going up against people in survivor who are actually like super fans who have studied the game, who know it inside and out there on her tribe, they're going to be going against her and she is going to be nowhere near. They are as far as preparation for this game, and that's where I really see her faulting faltering if you will because she is going up against some hard core competition that is way out of her league because you can't come into this game just starting to watch, you know, a month and a half ago and cramming in six seasons because you're going to be missing the the big picture and you're going to be missing all of the extra components because you're just watching the show. If you're trying to cram that many seasons in such a small amount of time, you're not learning, you're not digesting. You're not really going through all of the nuances of survivor. You're just watching show. I think she's going to be in in a tough tough spot. I agree. And on top of that, I didn't exactly get the warm fuzzies from her on. I one out now I didn't either. So between that and her being a newbie who I believe in. She knows more than she actually does. I see her as a pre merger boot. Yeah, I think she might even be worse place than that while. Yeah. All right. Well, we have not doing predictions yet, right? We're not under the tribe. That's fine. All right. Next up is Carl, who is a forty one year old truck driver and his CBS bio portrays him somewhat as a man of few words his. But his answer to the question of why he thinks he'll survive survivor is I feel that I can outwit outlast and play everyone else. So a little light on the details there. Carl, I love Carl. So love, Carl. I do. Why could you do it? Because I can do it. I know. But you know what? Here's a thing about Carl. Carl is he is a man of few words, but the words that he uses are enjoyable. So like he made me laugh out loud multiple times listening to I one out and he just because he's he's just so honest, he'll just tell, but it's honesty and a good way. It's not honesty like I'm better than you. He realizes where he comes from. He knows that he's worked hard to get there. He appreciates everything he has, but he's anybody also loves survivor. So he's, he's been a fan. He's watched it. He understands it and Jeff described him as a sleeper to win because he's not going to get anyone's way. And that's what I love about Karl. He is going to be the likable, nice guy. That's just Carl. I mean, he told he told wiggle, like right off the bat. Wiggle, asked him how he was doing and he's like, I'm fixing to play f- survivor. What do you. Think. Like, how can you not love this guy? Because he just, I see him. I see him doing exceptionally well, especially because of the people that are on the tribe with him. I see some really good relationships for him. Yeah. I mean, he does seem very down to earth seems go along, get along and on top of all that he seems to know that you have to throw your morals out the window, which is obviously important in this game. So so yeah, I, you know, I think that I think he could do well also, love hen. Carl's? One of my, he's one of my faves. So moving on, we have Christian who is a thirty two year old robotic scientists and in his CBS bio, he said, I also want to make my Mark on this game and help innovate the way survivor is strategically played. I would certainly be interested to see that happen and I admire the idea. But the question is whether he can actually make it happen. As a nerd and an r. j. p. fan, he's automatically an early favourite re and his bio suggests he will be flexible and willing to jump alliances. But one thing worries me and that's his idea to make a Mark on the game because I just have a feeling that when we talk about why he lost, it'll be because he seemed imploded too much. And how about the fact that he's Cochran two point? Oh, like he or Stephen fish back two point. Oh, I mean, I like him. Don't get me wrong. I really do like him, but he even sounds just like Cochran just reading his borrow his bio. I actually here Cochran voice in my head which is weird because he'd speaks just like him and he he looks much like him and he's already been even pointed. That's been pointed out. Other people who have seen him at pawn Rosa that he's just like he's very reminiscent of Cochran. So. I do believe it was Pat that pointed out the fact that he scares the hell out of him because he's like Cochran. And so people might actually look at him as an early on threat because I feel like the threat levels are shifting a lot. And now if they see you as not only a superfan but Cochran like player your going to be in trouble. And so I feel like he's really going to have to overcome that idea that he could play just like Cochran and it sounds like that's what he wants to do. Yeah. I mean, the thing is, I guess it depends if the super fans have a majority, yes. Then you know the people who want to target them won't be able to do anything about it. So matter of whether they will all get together or whether they'll all worry about each other and target each other. I hope they get together that would be much more fun. Fun. All right. Next up, Dave is a thirty year old social media manager and self described blurred or black nerd. So we have another nerd right again, and that makes me want to root for him, but listening to him on first one out again causes me worry. In this case, I, I just feel like he's over excited and over thinking a bit, which could be in part because he was a late addition and he hasn't had as much downtime in prep time as everyone else. So it was like it's almost like his body's still full of adrenaline. Yeah. And you know what? This is my thought on that I'm gonna pull Jeff pros because I love it. When Jeff says this about people, he has. He'll say that someone is either going to go deep. They're going to go out early, which is basically what other option. Is there a middle right. But, but I feel like his late addition to this game is going to be one of those two things. It's either going to cause him to go out early or it's going to cause them to go really deep because he hasn't had all of that prep time and time to really think about stuff and maybe with his personality that will work out exceptionally well that he hasn't really had all this time to over think everything because he was just kind of thrust into it, and it will help him get along further in the game. But he's did say he's an Radic person. So I don't know if that's going to negatively affect his game or help him. So as he's an interesting one, like I'm I'm intrigued because he seems very likeable and also very outgoing. So and also he's he's an unknown because you came in so late, so they didn't have a chance to really study him like they might have studied others. Well, yeah, and that that is the part. The other part that worries me is he could be an easy target. If the David tribe goes to a couple of quick fiber councils, because, hey, there's that guy. We don't know. We didn't see him in casting. We haven't made any. I contact with him. He hasn't been around easy to pick off. No one will be upset about that because you give them a reason. And that's what I said earlier. If the jury has a reason and this point at this point in time, it would just be the tribe any reason that they can grab onto to vote someone out. And that could be his reason that he's just a late edition. Yeah. So all right. Next up is Elizabeth a thirty one year old kitchen worker with peeves that might get her in trouble on survivors since she says she hates lazy people in stupid people, both of whom she is likely to encounter on the show. I love this woman to seize fantastic. She says she plans to develop relationships with unlikely people and help bring cultures and ages together, which suggests that she intends to be a social player. And you know, she added that. She loved strategy and doesn't mind cutting ties if benefits her, of course, all of this easier said than done. But yeah, I think that she's one of the people that that Probst said would either be gone right away or be there for a long time. It just depends on how people receive her. Yeah, but I think she's in a good place with the people that she's on the tribe with. If you look at attentional relationships, she and Carl are both from Texas Air. Both. They got their cowboy hats. They're both Cowboys. Their faith is important to them. I know Pat is also seems like faith is very important to him. I feel like she's surrounded by people that could help her get further because there's some baseline for a relationship there for a friendship. Plus she also wants to work with see now I'm going to learn, is that who say her name? Larisa. Larysa she wanted to work with her. So who knows? Maybe that relationship will develop, but she is, I think she's fantastic. Any woman who can give earth and five months from giving birth find herself on an island and survivor and be like, hell. EM doing this C-section. Yes, he's a beast. I love it like she's I'm an her husband is amazing. I love him to even know him, but I just think that she's, she's got a great something about her energy, and she's clearly very hard working and she'd even describes herself as a little crazy. So maybe that'll be a good thing for her out there because she's going to be willing to take things on. I know there's just something about her that that I really, I initially was hesitant when I first saw who she was. I was like, I don't know about that, but then the more I read about her and the more I heard her speak. I think she might. I think she's got a good chance to do very well. So. Yeah, I don't really have much ad. So next up is Aubrey. I mean, sorry. Gabby Gabby now see is not Hannah. All right. Listen, I like Hannah. You know, she was on my season. Gabby is not Hannah. I everyone who's compared to Hannah. I will tell you what does not hand it's because CBS or survivor is trying to make her look like that. They're playing up that she has these things -iety. Hannah did. Now. She is not Hannah was very quirky and she was very, she did have anxiety. I don't. Gabby does not in one way at all. Remind me of Hannah other than she has Brown early hair glasses. That's the extent of the the, the Hannah feel like it from Gabby. Alright. Well, you would know better. So anyway, Gabby is a twenty five year old technical writer who says her pet peeves are people who are wrong about facts, but think they are right and people who lack self awareness. And once again, she's going to encounter both on survivor. Now, Gabby isn't are HP fan, which is obviously good. But she says in her bio human psychology and social dynamics fascinate me, and I'm excited to insert myself into the craziest experiment out there, and that's great. But the thing is being fascinated by those things doesn't mean that a given person is actually good at them. We'll have to wait and see whether or not Gabby is. But she also said I have knowledge of the game, but I'm social Nuff to hide it and not be a complete dork. Just based on what we've already seen in heard the part about hiding being dork. I'm not sure that's true, and that's no offense. You know, this is me talking here so. But I also don't think she should necessarily try to hide whatever dorky nece she has because trying to be something you're not makes everything else more difficult in this game. Yes, that's true. And she hurt Honda Rosa or formats, and I'm using air quotes when I say that might put her in a bad place at the start just because most of the people around her thought she was really quiet, kind of kept yourself read a lot in her own world. She wasn't really making a whole lot of contact with people. And I mean she's studying them as she said, but it it. It's one of those situations where you need to try to make some type of connection with people at that point in time in the game because the game has started, even though you're not on the island yet and she didn't necessarily do that, but I'm hoping that her demure attitude will actually help her form relationships because she's. Not gonna come on too strong with people, and she will actually take time to to get to know them. She did say that she can be very disarming and that she thinks people will tell her a lot about themselves because of her personality, and maybe that'll work out for her and she'll end up warming some good bonds, but it's. She was clearly seen as someone who is very quiet in Ponderosa. Yeah, that was one thing I noticed too. You know, Jeff pro said he thinks Gaby is excellent socially, but on first one out there was already some talk about her being. Well, I one out. You know. And also with what rob said, when he talked about whether conditions in his preview podcast and how some of the smaller women could suffer the most. Yeah, that's true. That is definitely true. So so speaking of smaller women who could suffer the most, we move onto Jessica nineteen year old who who's bio says, she's a waitress, but she's nineteen. So she could still be anything that's trail point. But she plans to lie about her age, which I think is a mistake at this point because to me, she looked so obviously young and the players just saw a player who lied about his age. And I'd say she'll get busted as soon as alcohol is provided as a reward, but I'm, I'm not sure she'll make it that far well, and you know, here's the thing that I think is going to end up really affecting her is. I understand this whole concept of David versus Goliath, but here you have David who is only nineteen. So it's your past experiences are really what make you who you are when you're playing this game, and she's already come from. Come from a life. That's not like the goliaths where she's been exposed to a whole lot provided a whole lot where she's had this incredible education and and this introduction to the world. You know, she's not a world traveler, like one of the Goliath says, and I feel like that's going to work against her that much more in this season because it's supposed to be about where you come from and she's only nineteen. So how much exposure has she really had? I mean, yes, we've all been through a lot by the time we're nineteen, but she, I don't know if she's really had enough time to take that David philosophy if you will and turn it into who she is now where Pat is someone who's who's actually taken that, that mantra, I had to work hard for everything. And so this is where I am right now and it's because I earned it. She's still building that she's still trying to earn it if that makes sense. But I feel like that's going to work against her. It does actually similar to something I had not. Because her goal is to play like Sarah and game changers, which is an admirable idea, but not for a nineteen year old. Yeah, for one thing, Sarah had a first season in which she was able to establish or trustworthiness before she used it in her second season. And I mean, let's face it. I don't think as many people would have trusted her if that was her first season. Yeah. Yeah. But so there's that, plus there's all of Sarah's life experiences that Jessica doesn't have. Jessica thing. She can be flexible enough to make it through the game. But I, I just don't think it'll happen as much as I would love to see a Dave versus Jessica final. That would be credible, wouldn't it? Could you imagine. Yeah, I don't think we're gonna get there either. No, no. All right. Jumping from there. We have Lisa and that was the name I studied up on how to pronounce. So she is a thirty six year old airline agent and she's been a fan since the beginning and understands that the game is mostly social in strategic, not physical. This is one of the people Jeff said they'll either be out earlier stay for a long time. My first inclination was early, but I've already mentioned a few others who are likely early, so it's hard to pin her as one also unless they just go on a horrible losing streak and there's no tribal swap. Yeah, but too often, those who are obviously different are targeted. So I just hope she can overcome that. The the other thing she needs to overcome is that she apparently has a defensive attitude, and so if she doesn't do well in challenges, you don't wanna be too defensive about it and that could really come into play. Yeah. The other thing too. She was talking about how she doesn't. She doesn't like stress or pressure which you play survivor. That's going to be like twenty four, seven. You're gonna feel stress and pressure. So if you don't like it, I hope he can deal with it because you're going to be and. And she also talked about how she wouldn't have a game mind all of the time which again, that's not going to cut it either. If you're not thinking about the game, four, seven, then you're going to miss something. Trust me, you're gonna miss something and and that's not going to vote well. And so I struggle with where she's going to fall because she might end up doing well because she will align herself with someone who is thinking about the game, twenty four, seven. And it's, I mean, someone like Elizabeth wants to work with her that might be here. Saving grace is I'm she ends up forging a relationship with a person who is thinking about the game and is thinking she someone that I can bring along with me because she will vote with me and we'll have a relationship, and I kind of use her for an extra vote. So maybe that'll be where she falls. All right. So our next contestant is Nick a twenty seven year old public defender who will be lying and not telling people he's a lawyer show you don't know anything about that. Do you? I know it's so funny. I do think it's it's it's hysterical because no one ever wants to say their lawyer. I didn't say Kristen, say it and it just as such a negative connotation with people, I hear it regardless of, I mean, he's a public funder, so he means he works for he fights for people. That's a good thing. But just by saying your lawyer, they're going to make a sumptious about you. You're smart, you're well educated, your strategic, your analytical, whatever you want, jury. Yeah. I mean, all of these things that are not going to vote well in the game of survivors. So who does to him? I hope he can pull it off and keep that under wraps. Yeah, yeah. And he seems to have a good story planned out and you know, he also believes he is these survivor total package because he's likable. He's a social guy and he's also stronger and smarter than he looks and considers himself a strategy expert in superfan. Any also happens to be another Archie patron. So I, I find it hard to argue against anything. He said, plus, Jeff, Probst called him quirky and likeable. Now, one worry I had is that Nick has been featured so prominently in the survivor ads, and why would they do that if he's the winner, but then I thought about it and realized there's no way and the couple of other people who actually know who the winner is, would let anyone in advertising. No, either way they leak that information that's show and I don't know if you noticed this and maybe I'm just crazy and looking at things too hard, but on the intro when they show his second picture this, he not look. Emaciated. Notice that part I did. I was like, wait what that could be the same guy that Kim, but his face looks much thinner. So maybe I'm looking at it too closely, but man, he looks. He looks much much thinner well. Well, you know, I, I don't know. I, we'll just we'll just have to see if he continues to be prominently featured throughout the season, but I think he will go a long way. I think he's got a good shot to, and I in this is going to sound terrible. But I do think he's going to sound terrible, but I think he's going to be able to pull off the the lie about being a lawyer pretty well because of the theme of the show. If you know the David's who are not that you can't. I mean, I still still think I'm David and I'm a lawyer, but it's from where you come from and what got you here. And I thought Jeff Probst. Theory of him being so complicated as David because he had a chance to become Goliath and decided to go back and take care of the David's he's taking care of his family and not trying to become some corporate lawyer and make it a lot of money. He's being he's a public funder. And so it's this weird kind of convoluted cycle that he's he's found himself in and I. So I think it's going to be very easy for him to lie about being a lawyer because he's on the David tribe. Yeah, yeah. So we'll just have to see with him. And that brings us to the final David. That is path a forty year, old maintenance manager and like Karl manner. Few words in his CBS bio which may be the opposite of him in person because he seems to have a big personality. And you know, I think that that personality will potentially be his biggest weakness. And Jeff Probst says, he's not really socially adept. Yeah, he reminds me just from listening to I one out he reminds me very much of all for my season where he was the one in Ponderosa that everybody took notice of he was talking everybody. He was very outgoing was was talking when he was supposed to be talking and, and those are things that people all took note of. And unfortunately, if you're someone who's not following the rule. Rules when you're supposed to be following the rules when it's pretty clear, you're suppose we following the rules, how is that going to develop into a survivor strategy and into your game? And and that's what that's what happened with me. All I saw that with all where I didn't know where he was coming from and what he was going to end up doing because of his his, his very boisterous personality. And he would say things that kind of made me scratch my head. I feel like pats going to suffer that same fate where he isn't going to build keep it under wraps. And, and I think that is going to be huge detriment his game. The other thing is relating to that. He said on, I one out something think I understood this right. He said something like he does things his way because that's what his dad did. Yeah. And, and that sounds absolutely inflexible, and obviously that's a bad trait to have on survivor. But with all that said, I think at least for the first few votes, they're going to keep him because it was physical strength and, and that's where I'm kind of going back and forth that that might work to his advantage because of his physical strength. And I also think that he and Carl might end up hitting it off because they're very, their family is very important to them. The relationships they have with their children and their spouses is very important. And so I think that he might find some closeness to people like Carl and that will keep him around. But I also don't know Carl's a really put up with it too long. See, that's what I was thinking. I mean, Carl's get along type of guy. I think he'll get along to the point. He's got to get rid of this guy, you know? Yeah. Now I do have to mention one thing in Pat CBS bio that had me scratching my head. He said my mental physical and emotional skills are unmatched. Yeah, I don't know. Sorry, I, I just don't think that's true. You know, I mean, all of them unmatched really seems unlikely. Well, and I was very excited when I heard that that was going to be on the show because he's like in my, he's basically my neighbor. I mean, like in my stomping ground, if you will ease lives in the same county as I do in here in New York state. So have you ever bumped into him or seen him in court or now? I've never actually bumped into him. I did. I did reach out just to say like, hey, if you need anything but didn't go anywhere. So I mean it just because I want him to know Kayla in, you know what? There's a support group if you need it and the fact that he's so close. So it trust me. I'm not spoiled. I got nothing like I literally got nothing but. But no, I thought that was that was really cool and he was the inspiration for the team. So that's kinda neat to know that it depends on which time Jeff Probst is talking because one time he said Pat. Sometimes he said, Carl. So did he really? Yes, yes, I was excited for pets, so who knows? It could have been both of them. Yeah, that's true. That is true, but yes. So pets pets kind of one of those. Also. I think he's a bit of an anomaly when it comes to even though he is loud and boisterous, I think the people upon rows are still of like trying to figure him out telling you've tattoos. People pay attention to those tattoos and they're going to try to know what they mean. And it's sounds like they figured it out all wrong this far on Pat. So we'll see. All right. So we've gone through everyone on the David tribe and for my first set of predictions here, I would say it wouldn't surprise me if I vote comes down to a choice of Gabby or Jessica, what do you think? No, I'm not. Now I think it's going to be. I think it's going to be be Jessica honestly. And I think it's more likely be than Jessica. I'm just thinking of that. They'll look at them and see that be is the stronger of the women. And that's true. But I also feel like be could end up being a little too much too soon because she does sound like she has that way about her where someone like Jessica. Pat talked about treating her like a daughter, and I feel like Jessica would really appreciate that if someone kind of took her under her wing and you've got very strong personalities and someone like Elizabeth and I don't know if Elizabeth is going to jive well with be, I could be wrong. But I, there's just this thing I'm feeling I'm feeling be might be in a bed in a bad spot. All right. Well, we will see about the. Okay. Before we get to the goliaths I just want to remind everyone that you're buying anything on Amazon, make sure to head over to the Amazon page at w. w. that Amazon dot com slash shop slash a. p. you can find specific items related to the show and our Ajay, or you can click from that page to do any other Amazon shopping. Whenever I shop on Amazon, I always stop there. I doesn't cost anything additional and it supports our JP just yesterday, I ordered some healthy snacks like almonds and dried fruit and sweet potato chips and things. Chips? No. No. Sorry. 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This is not much of a spoiler but anyway, so we will begin with Alec I Alec Malino is a twenty four year old bartender from California, and he describes himself as charismatic canadensis and humorous and thinks that he will survive because he is his unstoppable. Social game because he is a bartender, which I thought was quite interesting. So yeah, you've already talked a lot about Alec and I am frustrated. I'm already frustrated because of Alex as a former survivor player, someone who managed to keep their then eight year old son from spill the beans about mom being on the show, and this guy who's twenty four can't even do it. Like I just really. I mean, you're making it more difficult for everybody down the pike wants play this game. You really are like, I don't know why he did it. I think it's ridiculous and I, I, it frustrates me. It frustrates me for people who wanna play this game because it really is so scary to sign those agreements and agree to a potential five million dollar lawsuit. If you say anything not supposed to, and this guy is literally telling CBS excuse my language. But I mean you saw the picture set. Yeah, you basically look at this. So, yeah, you know, I mean on his, I find funny on his CBS bio one of his hobbies, he says, making travel videos. Maybe there's one piece of travel he shouldn't have spread around the internet there. Yeah, yeah. This is a big spoiler for anyone who's listening because implicates another one of the players. So it's just it's it's so frustrating because for someone like like you or like me, who's trying to figure out this season and how relationships are going to blossom and hookah potentially be the first one voted out and who could potentially win when you see somebody do what he did and the other person who was involved in it as well. It just throws everything off because now you're looking at it going well, if he had won, he certainly wouldn't have done that. I don't think he hasn't. Now. He's not being invited to the finale. So you you're going to not invite the winner to the finale. I mean, unless is really sticking it to him. I mean, it's it's really, it's really so the aggravating. So Alec thanks for like spoiling it for everybody who's trying to figure these things out its end just and making it difficult for everybody down the road. I mean, Jeff Probst said, like you mentioned, Alex very charismatic and expected him to be good at the social game. And normally these days, I would say it would be hard to think that the surfer guy type. We'll be out early as they've just done well recently. But considering what he did, it appears that he shall we say not very bright. And with that in mind, I, I got a predict you won't even make the merge he can. I mean, it's you. I just don't see how anyone would have that attitude if they because you don't. You just don't know after you make the merge, you have no idea what the game is going to entail as far as any possibilities. I mean, they'd tell you that you might get a monetary award, you might not ju don't know, and that's the thing that CVS is very good at you. Seriously have no idea what you could or could not get and taking chance like that. Just I don't think anyone would unless they were one of the first few like out of the game to to have that response something something terrible had to have happened when he was out on that island to to do something like that, and just throw it aside and act like he doesn't care. I mean, I guess there's the potential that we could all be surprised. But your scenario sounds the most likely. Yeah, we'll see. So sorry to anyone who only skipped two minutes longer than three minutes there. That's him. Yeah. So. All right. So we're going to talk about Allison, right? She would be next Alison abled if I'm saying her last name correctly, but it's bother why bother with last name. He's gonna skip an AKA. Janet, as far as I'm concerned, anyone who watches the good, the good place. Just we'll watch the good place. Google the good place, Janet, and it's Alison, and I'm not the only one. That's all this other people in Twitter that were saying the same thing. So kudos to everyone who thought that that was great. She is a twenty eight year old physician from Kansas and her inspiration is your parents. She also describes herself as dynamic engaging in witty, and she thinks that earning trust is a strength. She was also a college athletes played soccer and hobbies include getting to the bottom of bottomless basket of bread sticks olive garden. So. I can't do that anymore. But you know, I used to be right there with her a good damn breadsticks. So, yeah, so that's listen. Yeah. And the other thing I'm right there with Iran is or pet peeve of slow drivers and left pain lane. 'cause I got flipped off by some jerk just a couple of days ago because he was going slow in the left lane past him on the right. You don't want me to do it move or, hey, and you know what? I didn't even realize she's got issues with drivers, so does Alec and sodas CARA. So maybe they can bond over bad drivers. That's right. That's right. But the other thing that's interesting Alison is a podcast listener. So I do think that generally speaks to someone who was good strategically. Yeah, you know. And maybe it's because I, I feel good for her in these areas, but I think she'll do pretty well. I'd say that she at least makes the jury, and then I think she'll make final six or better. Oh, you think so? I think she's definitely going to be making the jury. She's the only concern I have for her is that she might come across as a little too confident which could then be seen as a potential threat to nibble that might not be so confident. But then again, she's with a group of Goliath SU. There might be a significant number of people that have that ability to come across as very confident, so it might not be a problem at all. It might actually work her benefit. Yeah, the one thing that worries me if she does get the final six or better is that she said on, I went out, she will keep her strategy hidden and then reveal all and claim her moves at the end. And considering the special corollary, I just added to rule to this makes me very worried for her. She manages to make final three. Yeah. Now I agree, but it'll be unto watch Janet. Yes, yes. She looks just like you will confuse me so much. If you start calling, I won't call her Jonah. I will call her. But yeah. And and how about the fact that like her claim to fame as she won her fifth grade spelling? That was pretty funny unsidering. Yeah, everything she's accomplished like that's our claim to fame good for you. I like that. All right. So next we're talking about Angelina who is twenty eight and she is from Nevada. She's a financial consultant. She scribes herself as intuitive persuasive and loving or hobbies include traveling the world. I had already referenced that earlier and she doesn't like it when people don't like dogs, so good on her as well. She is naturally competitive. She likes to test herself and they source of her strength is other military families. So that's a little bit of of her background. Yeah, I don't feel I'm not clicking with her the same way I was for Allison, and that goes for both her bio and her on. I one out because she talked up her cue and her e cue, which is motion quotient, and she's a friend of our friend. Adam Klein is, but even so I don't feel like she gets it. And because your season was the first one that she watched. Yep. So she hasn't had a lot of exposure to the game with with all that said, I, I think she'll find a way to go decently far because I, I don't know. I think there's going to be a certain scrappy nece about her. So I don't get scrappy. Okay. Well, I get scrappy and I get jury, but not much more than that. Well, her biggest problem I think is she does come across very high strong. I mean, did you hear her first one out it was like. It was a, it was a lot like really quickly, and she was described by leave. Other people use the term high maintenance who's complaining about her hair, and there was some other issues that people had noticed she. Oh, how people at Ponderosa? Like the staff would like slink away from her because she always had a request like she was one of those that if you have a question coming asking, she always had a question, and even Jeff said that she is someone who's high maintenance who doesn't even recognize that she's high maintenance, and that could be a huge problem because she could just rub people around way if that's how she acts when she's out there, especially if the weather is bad and it's cold and it's horrible. I see that as being a problem for her. Yeah, I don't know. Logically, I think everything you're saying is right. I just there was something about her that I just felt that it could be totally wrong. Well, I think her saving grace could be Alison because Allison is all about black widow brigade and bringing back that powerful woman core group and Angeline is one of the ones that she reference. And so maybe that's going to be saving grace is that Allison is willing to work with her because she wants to further women in the game. But who knows? I, I'm worried for her. I'm worried for Angelina. All right. I have to do the next one. And you have to do the hot cop. It's the hot Cup, and I see I'm using paper. I'm not. I'm not like you were like, I have to flip you have everything laid out perfectly. I have post it notes and whatnot. Anyway. All right. So, oh, wait, that's the wrong one. I gotta find how who am I? Dan see my my post. It notes are not working. Here we go. Dan is a twenty seven year old swat officer from Florida is personal claim to fame is making the swat team, and he describes himself well as the hot cop. Other people described him as and his inspiration. I thought this is a great story has hero is his stepfather. It's a really beautiful story. If you didn't read it, read it because it just shows how significant step parents can be in someone's life. He can't stand when people are lazy. He says, you should go out and get what you want and don't complain about it and do nothing expect it to happen. I also hate when people cut me off. I'm talking please let me finish what I have to say. It may be important. So that was pretty interesting as well. But. I've got some people like that. That work who are just drives me crazy when they do that, and there are some repeat offenders at work and I'll just sit there and stare at them. I usually usually they don't even realize they just keep right on going. And I was just like, okay, so yeah. So anyway, yeah, the hot cop has apparently listened to some are while he was priming or survivor. But once again, we have a situation of someone cramming and binging, and you know, as we have talked about already, I'm not sure that's enough to really understand the game. Also I rolled at the first reason he gave in his bio for why he's going to win. He said, I believe that I could be the winner for multiple reasons. I have a strong desire to win. I always want to win it. Absolutely. Everything I do well, that obviously separates him from everyone else say because nobody wants to win, right? No one else has the desire to win. So, yeah, the I roll. No, he's on. The cover of a book is called the cop book now, but it's like a love novel in love novel. I swear to God. He's on the cover of some like book, like looking longingly into the eyes of another woman. The desire to win her parent? Yes. Now I joke, but I do think his muscles will come in handy, so he really won't have to worry about playing too much until it gets close to the merge. And then I think he'll likely be emerge issue boot. And I say merge because these as strategic players have been anticipating the merge earlier and earlier, so it could even come few votes before the actual merge. Yeah. No, I agree. I think that's probably where he's gonna fall. So. All right. Well, that's all I have to say about Mr. hot cop, right. Moving onto Jeremy. Jeremy is forty years old. He's from South Carolina, and he is another attorney. His personal claim to fame which is impressive passed the bar, New York, New jersey end Georgia on the first try, and they basically put all of those tests within days of each other. So that's a whole lot of testing real quick. So who does to you? His pet peeves are lateness a logical nece and entitlement. And I think my favorite thing about him what he said when he was asking or was asked what his inspiration was. He said, I think I inspire myself. I was great good. And he did say that he's going to do well in this game because of his profession. And in order to understand someone, you have to have a genuine interest in them, and he has the ability to forge those relationships with people from what he's done through his work. So I thought that was that was pretty good too. So I enjoy Jeremy quite a bit. I really think he's going to be on to watch me too. You know, he's a longtime fan. He says, in his bio, they things is honesty and humor can take him for as long as he makes a strong partnership. But he's also cutting and pro described him as. Shoot. Jeremy thinks he can read people well and gain their trust. Frankly, if I were going to pick a Goliath to win, I'd pick Jeremy. And I've already picked him as one of the five players on my team in the survivor draft. I'm in with some poker players. I think he has real potential to go far in the game. Yeah, and I think that because I can't remember if he talked about whether or not he would tell people what he does. No, he's not. He's going to be talking about. I can't remember what it is exactly, but you won't be talking about the fact he's an attorney. And again, I think I think his personality will allow him to avoid that as well because he not that attorneys campy fun. We absolutely can be, but I just feel like he has the perception of him Ponderosa. He was wearing like short shorts and like he was really kind of like goofy and like seemed like fun and jovial. So I think he'll be able to pull it off. I, I do think that he'll be able to avoid that being an issue and people won't know until. The game is done. Yeah, me too. But onto John. Oh my goodness. Here comes Johnny ready for this. Everyone. John is thirty eight years old. He's a pro wrestler from Los Angeles, and he is otherwise known as the mayor of slam town, Johnny. Nitro John Morrison, Johnny moon, do Johnny impact in the shaman of sexy. So oh, I can't forget the best one, though. Wednesday night the light, which is perfect. Considering survivors going to be on Wednesday. Do think that we're going to see a lot from him as inspiration is his father who was also a lawyer and his daily life consists of physical training, building relationships and positioning himself favorably, the wrestling world, and he thinks that he will build carry that over into the game of survivor. And I think he's going to be a fun one to watch. I really think he's going to be obviously a beast out there be seen the guy. I think he's gonna do exceptionally well at the beginning and challenges. But once they hit merge, he better hope. He's got some very strong relationships formed because he will be short threat in a lot of physical challenges. You know, I mean, he does appear to know the game, which is certainly good. But I don't think that will help save him because I think like you said, he's a prototypical merge issue boot again. No one is going to want to keep him around too long except maybe as a shield for another strong player. But even then I don't think it will last more than a couple of oats past emerge and probably less. He did talk about Natalie and wanting to create a relationship with her and got to hope that happens because that will be an incredible duo right there. I think if it's Natalie and the shaman of sexy. So much fun to watch. I hope it happens. Yeah, yeah, it will. It'll just just don't think he'll be on for more than or than half. That's. Is he's one of my favorites. You know, the six pack doesn't hurt either. So. Okay. I'm just saying it's just one more thing. All right. So moving on now to Hera who is thirty years old from San Diego, California, she is a realtor. Her personal claim to fame is making charger. Girls. She was rookie of the year MVP in two thousand fourteen and captain for two years. She describes herself as energetic, persistent and passionate or mother is her hero always beer hero. And she also doesn't like drivers who use their brakes on necessarily. So we have another person with issues regarding driving, and I don't know she describes herself as a chameleon savvy, adapt even savage because she's going to be cut throat. But I have some other things to say about her that are not in her bio which we've already kind of touched on. Let me just step in. It's interesting that one of her pet peeves is oblivious. People. And yet she was part of the same social media incident with Alec that we already mentioned the girl. What are you doing. I'm sorry, I shouldn't yell, but that's it's another one of these. Like, what are you thinking like. It's so aggravating. So I just I can't. I just don't see her doing that. Well, because why would you put yourself? I guess we should have warned people to skip two minutes head on this one. Sorry, spoiler alert big time spoiler but again, it was all over the place. TMZ was reporting on it, and there was her face in that picture and not only in that picture, but in videos. I mean, it wasn't just one thing was multiple things, and there was a message being sent with it with the language that was used. It was like neither one of them cared now. She, I don't think from what I've seen has been. She's not in as much trouble as Alec is, but still she clearly has a relationship with him was created on the plane on the way home. I don't think so. I mean, I feel like this was something that developed much sooner and I just. I don't know. It's frustrating to me because she just wrecked along with Alec the ability to really assess like each of these people and and how they're going to play. You know, there's if you want another area to be frustrated with her about in answer to the question of what previous player she's like harder for answer was I would have a positive attitude and make connections like figgy except I'd avoid getting into a showman's at all costs. Now let's just ignore the avoid getting into a show Mance part because maybe she didn't on the show, who knows? But you know, rob wondered in his preview just what kind of connections figgy made other than the showman's I. My recollection was she was not great in that regard. So I looked back at my notes from the wife, biggie, lost podcast. I found that my memory was right. I had talked about how she didn't have a great social game didn't get along with Michaela. Zeke. Dick said figgy was causing all the consternation in the first vote didn't get along with Hannah because she needed so much attention. And I ended the fifth rule for her by noting thinking not only segregated herself off with the showman's, but she also pushed others away with her behavior overall, NADA great social game. So I'm not sure exactly what is shooting for here. Obviously, you were there, you know, and just to add, I wasn't going to go on a figgy tangent. 'cause I certainly can. But figgy actually told rob sesser Nino himself that when he asked her about me, she said, I never liked her anyway. It was like, okay, I guess biggie doesn't like me. I didn't really feel that on the island necessarily, but but yeah, I mean, she clearly struggled. I mean, she was going to be the first one voted off. On her tribe, but for Michelle saving her and getting everyone kind of rounding people up and realizing that they shouldn't vague because she was in there little core group. So, yeah, I mean, it certainly. She wasn't great at creating relationships at all when she was out there except the one and that was Taylor and that was it. So the using figgy as an example, I underlined it. I wasn't going to mention it, but you went there so lies. I think that's a bad idea. Idea, but you know CARA ended her bio by saying my social game would be impressive. Plus I could win over the jury with game tactics and strategy, some pretty high hopes. And I know that that Jeff pro said character would be favorite to win, but even putting everything, everything that we know about social media side, I still don't see it. In fact, I don't think she'll make the merge. And all of that was said before I was even reminded that she was with Alec in those pictures and I gotta stop. I say, end up spending too much time. I own head trying to figure out what CBS is doing and how they're handling or they are. I just have to not do that. Just kind of see where how it plays out. I guess. So we can move on from from CARA after be ready. Okay. Mic we're gonna talk about Mike white. Mike white is age forty? Seven from San Diego, California, or I'm sorry. Now he's in Los Angeles, but he was from San Diego and he's a filmmaker. Most people or a lot of people would probably know him. He describes himself as which I think is funny, three things to describe yourself three words. He says, curious, funny, dynamic, imaginative, but he used like a little. I don't know thing between curious and funny to try to get one word. But he, let's see his inspiration is George Plumpton who's a writer. Reasonings playing the game. I always wanted to play any has an absurd. He loves the absurd challenge of it all and. Let's see what else. I run a really. I mean, he doesn't say much about himself, but I but he's clearly a very successful individual inspiring visit it schoolhouse rock in the other things that he is. He is emoji movie. Oh no, actually forget the emoji riffing I've heard. I did not see the emoji movie, but neither did I. Yeah, so clearly he's he's done a lot of incredible things. And I, I think he'll be interesting. He'll be interesting to watch because he seems so unexpected, if that makes sense. Yeah. Well, I don't think he's going to be interesting to watch for long because I'm going to break with the format here. I'm not going to beat around the Bush. I think he'll be the first one voted out the live. Really? Yeah. He's clearly on the weaker side which may come into play. He's a celebrity and we know that many celebrities haven't exactly done very well. He, he even sucked. At two truths and a lie with Josh on first one out. Because when he told the lie, he said, I can actually tap dance adding in the word actually is like the clearest indicator that you're lying. Yeah, it was an immediate flag and I knew that one was the life. And if you can't even do to troops in a line how you're gonna lie to other people on fiber. And then finally, while his, he says in his bio that he has the desire to win, I'm not sure that's true. Or at least it didn't sound very true and I won out where he talked about the experience in the story. So. No, he's going to be around for very long. Yeah, and that's true because he's, he seems so. I like he's he's so good at what he does right now and the world that he is created and where he finds himself that this is one of those even if he were to be the first one voted out. I feel like he would just be like, that's okay. Exactly because this is just one more thing for him as opposed to where some people like this is what they've been dreaming about. Their whole life is to get on survivor and applied multiple times. I know he's a fan. I know he's spoken to Jeff, and and he knows the game, but it's a different kind of of desire. I think it's just it's just something for him to do really like, I've done all this now. Let's do this. So it's a little more home. Right? Exactly. Well, I won out sorry. Mike white. All right. Now we are going to move onto Natalia and she is twenty five from California. She is an industrial engineer. She describes herself as fun, vibrant, bold, but also very confrontational. And she likes to be in charge. She doesn't get offended easily. So that might be beneficial for her out there. She has some serious issues with not brushing teeth, which that's going to be a problem. I thought it was interesting when she talked about her pet peeves. I also do not like when people stand too close to me in lines and people who tap their feet loudly. I can feel the table moving because of your foot. And there's a problem and I put myself back on the island when I read this and how we all had to huddle very close together when we were sleeping in shelter, that was not meant for ten people and how Sunday had basically like some type of like restless leg syndrome. If you will. And her leg would follow over all the time and she would wake us up. Almost became funny because we all kind of expected it, but this is what I was thinking about that, like these are part of your pet peeves girl. You're going to be in for it when you're out there because you were going to be on top of each other and very, very close together, and you will have some very dirty teeth. It ready for those sticks because it's the only thing that's going to work. I gotta tell you, I read her CBS bio just didn't get a lot out of it. You know, I don't have that much to say about her despite the fact that she is a fan and I'd like to root for the engineer, but I'm just not feeling it. And she also said she can be bossy and annoying, neither of which are good things on survivor. It just wouldn't surprise me if she goes pre marriage. Yeah, and that's honestly, I was having a hard time separating her from Angelina. Like in my head, I was like, wait, what? Which one is who, again, the two of them, I feel like perhaps I'll say the same thing that instead of Angelina maybe Alison would be the saving grace because of the lack widow brigade. But I, yeah, I feel like she's, I think she's going to be in. It's going to be an uphill battle for her. I just don't see her making it very far. Now that's an Italian right now we have Natalie, yes, who is fifty six years old and she lives in California. She is a publishing CEO. The three words that she is described herself is competitive decisive and persistent, her pet peas include people who are negative people who talk too much and listen to little and can't bust degrade. I'm not really sure what that is. But she does think that she's going to do well because she's very analytical, logical, healthy, eating, strategic, and can read people and also. She's a twice cancer survivor which she is not going to be revealing to anyone. And she plans online about her age says, she's going to be thirty five, and I think she could pull it off. She looks really damn good and yes, so that's her. But she also has some concerns about being that older black woman who is not physically fit some of the other women on the tribe. So she's very aware of what she's walking into and what she brings to the table as being a potential I, which I think speaks very highly of the fact that she's very well versed in this game. I, I really want Natalie to do well me. I liked that she considers herself logical, strategic and calculating. I like that. She's older than me. I like the people are comparing her to Sirri. Yes, while she compares herself to Kim spread Lynn, though both of those are really high bars. And like you said that she recognizes that she could be the first one out or at least targeted. And she's going to work to avoid it now. Unfortunately, she's right that she could easily be the first one out, but now this is where this is where the comparison comes in. I said, Mike is going to be the first one out and he's going to be whatever she's gonna fight. Yeah, I think if it comes down to a situation of one versus the other, she's going to push and he is not and she'll stick around. That's I think that's a possible outcome. I, it's absolutely like perfect. I think she will not go down without a fight. I mean, look at where she's come from him. She is someone who came from. She did diggers out of. LA. Yeah. Earlier when I was saying this is someone who could easily have been on the David. I mean, this woman she has worked so hard her whole life and has been through so much and now finds herself here. The last thing she's going to do is let them send her home. I, I mean, she, she has a plan going into this game, and I think we're going to see that come to fruition. I'm very excited to watch her. I am hoping that she does exceptionally well because I really, she's one of my favorites. I love her. I think she's extremely impressive. Extremely impressive. And I do love that. She's fifty six years old and they put her on the show. Thank you. CBS. I agree. I will say, I think she'll fight doesn't mean she won't be the second one out. So the first one out, but if she makes it pass those first couple votes, I think she may be in it for the long haul. Yes, I completely agree if she's able to hang in there and make it through a little wish. Yeah, I see her going once the merge hits and she's still around no one is going to see her as a physical threat. And I think she's going to be able to work a good social game and she could just maneuver herself through. I see her going extremely far if she's able to get past those initial votes. All right. So that is it for the goliaths. I've already called my shot in that. I think Mike will be the first one out of this tribe. What about you? See? That's so interesting because I thought. Honestly, I feel like Angelina and Attala or in the most trouble, but I can see Mike being a first because of his. You've just you've made me think, see, David, you're right. You've made me think because he is so ho. How about the whole thing? I don't think he'll fight very hard, whereas I feel like Angelina an Italian might actually step up and actually try to fight hard, but I think Natalie is going to want Mike to stick around because Mike's an older guy as well, and we'll help keep some of the pressure off of her. You know, she's not. Natalie is not going to want to be going up against these young vivacious women. She's gonna want them to go home. And so I think Natalie's focus is going to be someone like an Angelina or Natalia, and if John and Natalie can work together, I, I Don, I feel like it could be an Angelina or on Italian going home. All right. All right. So we've gone through the tribes and we've gone through our predictions about who is likely outburst from each of them now it's time for a winner pick and yeah, I know. Well, I'll start. Okay. 'cause I'm always a sucker for a super fan and there are several of those season. And as I mentioned, we were discussing Jeremy. If I were going to pick a life, it would be him. But I have to pick a David. There are a few David's who really seem like they can take it all the way. But twenty eighteen has really been the year of the are AP patron. So I'm gonna picnic, I'm gonna see if we can really. I'm gonna see if we can finally have a lawyer win survivor, and you know, have a have a patron winner and. We'll go from there now. I will say, Nick. Sorry, I couldn't draft you in my own in my own survivor draft. Do you were taking and but I'll still root for you because I am. I'm gonna pick you. I like it. I like that. I was not expecting that. Now, let me ask you this. You think I was going to pick. I didn't really know because I spent so much time thinking about who I was gonna pick, but Nick was Nick. I had kind of middle of the pack. That's where I thought Nick was was going to end up so, but but for I think it's a good. I think it's a good pick. I like it. I think it's good. You're Jeremy. One didn't surprise me though. I think that if you were that one makes perfect sense because he was one of my top faiths and I struggled with this because you weren't, you wanted to David. So I really have to have a glass even though I love Carl, and I think Carl is amazing. I wanna pick Carl because he's so he's just so great. I just really love Carl and Brett Brett picked Carl good jab Brett because yeah, I just love Karl, but I'm gonna go with Goliath just to kind of, you know, will keep the theme going. So in my looking at the goliaths I had my favorites, Jeremy is right up there as a favorite, and Natalie is right up. There's favorite, and I really, really, really, I just love Natalie so much. I really want her to win. I really do. Oh, this is so hard. I put a little star next Atalie's name because I'm like, just go with your gut girl and just pick Natalie. I, you know what I'm doing it. I'm just going to pick Natalie because why the hell not since I can't pick Carl, I'm going to pick. All right. Well, we will see, I know. Okay. As we are about to wrap up, I do want to remind everyone about the RHA patron program. The seems to be an appropriate time. Since I mentioned this is the year of the patron. You can head over to rob has a website that com slash patron to help support all of the Archie podcasts and take a look. The various patriot levels find out what kinds of perks you can get. One I personally think is the most important and the most fun is that you can join the patron Facebook groups. You know, to be part of the conversations among the people you can talk to are now several survivor players. Because like I said, you're the patron. Now I can't guarantee that joining and becoming a patron will mean that you will get on survivor, but it can't hurt, right. You know what I mean? So so also in case you're not trying to get on the show you can find out in advance. 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RHAP B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Survivor 37 Episode 9 with Akiva Wienerkur

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RHAP B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Survivor 37 Episode 9 with Akiva Wienerkur

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I actually really liked that analogy of us just like gnawing on the leftovers. That's all we get. We get like the table scraps. And I'm thankful for this table scraps. Absolutely. All the goliaths are sitting at the adult table. That is the David's are like fighting over the last advantage. I'm we're so happy to bring this guy. Back co host of Robin. Akiva need a podcast as well. As the three to fans podcast. We're happy that nobody decided to step up notify his appearance here on the bean be Akiva winning ker. Welcome back. How you doing? Wait, am I the table scraps? No, no. You're the whole meal your snack. Tristan almost that. I've never been called the snack. Yes. I was thinking I think maybe more for my -nology of like, oh, we sit at the kids table. So. Yeah. Maybe you you are not the scraps. But you have to sit at the kids table and entertain us because we have no toys. Yes. I was telling I was telling him coming on my thanksgiving was very plentiful. It was like much like actually a survivor merge. We had fifteen people instead of thirteen and we also had like five dogs one ring around a three year old child, and it was my task to entertain said child because their parents her parents decided to not bring any sort of toys or entertainment devices or other children to play with essentially how to sort of running a defacto survivor challenge for just sort of like the hot pursuit challenge where you sort of try to lap each other. It was just us running around a my in-laws house in circles for about half an hour. So I feel slightly more well equipped to go onto survivor and more well equipped to encounter parenthood as well. We're her parents supposed to just go find another child you save at like children easily to together. I dunno. It keep it you have for them. Is that true? I've first of all like, you should save all your parents to do it at the same. It would be like eating. Big meal days before thanksgiving ridiculous. Don't do any hang out with any. You're going to regret every every interaction you had with the kid that wasn't completely mandatory in I'll go cold Turkey. Speaking of thanksgiving on kids from now on through kiva is plentiful advice that he gave on the dad know it also with rob as well. I'm hopping on Rene up. Nap. That's the only thing you've done to prepare, right? Yeah. Absolutely. That's all I've done so far like you are my respective Dr spots, Akiva in rob for four parenthood. So. Yeah. We basically planned it as our data by the new what? It's just it's just as plentiful. Well, let's let's segue into David versus Goliath a bit, Akiva, we're nine episodes in at this point. Actually, the end game is in cyber pretty much like a month away from the finale at this point. But what if your thoughts been on this season, so far I mean, I'm not going to break so much new ground with my overall thoughts came in with low expectations. I will say the one difference this year's post many other years I-, consumes your content. I wasn't I didn't wasn't thinking anything in particular from any of the players there. What I've learned that basically piss learned from watching the show I went through. Where'd you've already was eight times Coulter on like on the pre-game stuff? And like most people I've been so as at least deprived everything almost every episode seems to get better than than the previous one in. There have been very few punctures. I have at least a mild opinion on everyone left. What you can't say during the couldn't have said the last three or four season. So what what could be bad? I'm in love. Yeah. I yeah. I mean, I I guess I just keep waiting for the season to you know. To be bad. I don't know if that's hasn't mistake of me. But it's like literally the definition of pessimistically. I don't know if it I don't want to put labels on things. Yeah. It's I mean it has been really like it's enjoyable. I'm having fun. Yeah. This is a very fun season. Whether it's, you know, whether it's the cast, whether it's the results, I just think there's a lot going on which is a lot of fun discussion. This and many other podcasts, Akiva, I'm going to ask you probably the most well-equipped questioned you're going to answer in your number of years, and podcasting if you had to compare this episode of survivor to a soup. What would it be? Also, I listened to your episode of Jess McKenna. I did tell Mike I was one you missed to sing. I will say you guys need. I am able to think this is when you pull up your mom, you reveal that your shut up Tim right with in. He. Well, no, not that. I can. It's a good question. Like, what soup would you expect to kind of suck with then? It's like good. But then everybody gets better. That's that's really so I'm going to say mushroom barley like nobody's excited about it. But then you you sort of get in the middle. And you're like, hey, I shouldn't eat mushroom pearly suit Murrah like no one actively seeks out mushroom barley soup favorable, and it doesn't even sound up teasing like David versus Goliath doesn't sound appetizing. Versus light is the mushroom barley of the Campbell survivor based season line. Look at the end of this little compared to all sorts of soups way, we won't miss. I was thinking I was thinking maybe French onion to just because it's felt so jam packed like not just the final tribal council. But also everything that was going on during the episode with Christian finding the idol and sort of goliaths falling apart and then coming back together. It's just there's so much that happened. I might go a bit off book here, and I might say, and this is a little contentious that this episode was kind of like a chilly to me. After the podcast with Hannah last week. And there's been a lot of conversations with our at Jp universe at large as to is chilly a soup is it not. And I feel I can compare those to the struggles of Allison. And Alec this episode of like M I Goliath. I want to stay with them. Do I wanna do something else? They really can't figure out what they want to be. And so I can directly sort of compare those at the end of it you felt you know, warm it was a little spicy with the idol nullify are coming out. So Akiva, what what are your thoughts? You are probably the residents soup connoisseur. Here is chili a soup and your opinion. No, no till is not a suit people are like, hey, here's a hot take was not a super like here's another hot take like my grandma. I don't know. Definitively. Oh, here's a hot take. This. Sun comes out at night. I was gonna say I was about to say like like bed. But then I realized I'm taking my. I don't know. But I I got there. But anyway, listen you wanted a great improviser you had just the Kenna. I'm very pointed. We didn't do a mini hot take off. Because then that would have been really interesting if you'd gone with that sort of baseline, not take what you would have deemed as worthy or not. It's my grandma dead. Take. Yes. No. I don't know. I also got to feel like this is from, you know, your English class when your teachers trying to have you ascribe meeting to something that just doesn't have any meaning. So if this was a chil- now, what type of chili now, what does the the beans represents what does the ground beef represents? But I'll go with it, regardless. Well, let's start getting into whatever soup. You wanted to ascribe to this episode, and let's start with their usual fare our preseason predictions. And let's go to Dan here. I'm very intrigued to see what we wrote about Dan preseason. Because Dan was I even though you didn't check out the preseason stuff. Akiva Dame was like a perennial favorite preseason people thought he was likable enough strong enough. He was enough of a fan that he could you know, really do. Well, he seemed like he got the lion's share of winner picks across the board only to have him go out in tenth place before we get into our predictions for Dan. Akiva, what thoughts did you have of Dan over the course of David versus Goliath. Yeah. I do think they sort of I guess similar John. I think they wanted one of those two guys sort of be there. So you slash Joe. But I guess knowing that they didn't last long enough. It never really panned out. I liked then I certainly didn't love him again. Like, I would have liked to see his edit if he was super relevant to the endgame. We might have seen a little bit more from him. I would have they didn't really get into. So he he became semi famous. Like, he got like Kim bone, fifteen minutes for being the hot gap. Right. Ken bone. Yeah. Well, his fifteen minutes are over. But we're trying to bring them back. We are bringing back in barring the bone. Didn't he have some issues or something? Yes, shoes. Let's let he wasn't had. When you say some porn issues. I think that sounds like you're implying that he was in the porn. But I think he was just watching the right? Yeah. I think I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not. But I think you just didn't clean, okay. What could happen to anyone? Sure. So, you know, it's always interesting when someone gets on the show for maybe reasons, though, aren't just basic asking, right? And they don't really bring it up. Right. I don't do not come up during the course of the show. I'm not crazy. Right. Just the fact that he sort of got recognized not not not him. I know Mike got recognized. But I don't think Dan talked about his personal story bounding. There was something going around of like, hey, well, he wouldn't have been recognized by by like someone on the on the show for any. He wasn't that famous. But I think just the idea that like, hey, I sort of had this notoriety. And maybe that's why I got asked because I don't know. Maybe like how did that change his life? But that usually isn't gonna come up. It would only come up. It was really a finalist or something. But yeah, no. I will will we will. We remember him in like three seasons. That's interesting because I would say that I don't know if I have a call, Dan one of the bigger characters, but I think in terms of like being consequential to the overall plot of the season, you had the stuff going on with Keira you had him getting in this sort of like food with Angelina you had him playing both of his idols. You had him getting nullified. So I feel like if anything damn might become like a cautionary. Retail as like, you never know what happens on survivor, someone might pull out an advantage that you knew nothing about it ends up screwing your game over even though you played the idol correctly. So I personally think Dame will be remembered in the annals of survivor history, though, maybe four more. A more infamous reasons than famous. Well, I mean, I think it's interesting because Dan is somebody who he's sort of his edit starts this guy lost bunch of weight. And he's you know, he doesn't really feel like a lie. And now he feels like a Goliath, and then he sort of became this cocky asshole, pouty. And then he went home because the first idol nullify of all time got played on him while he played an idol. And I just I don't really know how to find him how he will be remembered because it seems like three sort of disparate things because I think to be like, oh my gosh. Yeah. He was the first guy who had the idol who knows if this is going to go the medallion power out, or you know, actual idle route in terms of its stay staying power in the game. I think it's one hundred percent staying now that it's also like I'd now that it's correctly been used like I have said that survivor Fiji was the real maker break season for the hidden immunity, idol, not exile island or Cook Islands because they tried out that new method of like, oh, you have to play it before the votes are red. But after their cast. And you know, had the Gardo stuff not happen. It had gal man not saved himself. It could have possibly gone the way the dodo, but because it worked out so well in both instances the show said, oh, yeah. We're going to let it move forward. Say what you want to about fairness. But I think the fact of the matter is this created entertainment, and it's created discussion. And so I think the show is going to say that's a win win for us. Let's let's move on and use it. Yeah. That's fair. And I will say I will eat crow because I thought there was no way anyone was ever going to be able to play correctly. And it was actually going to nullify an idol so props to Carl being for him. Good on ya. I guess I guess it's here to stay. That's yeah. Keep it. Do you have any thoughts about the idol and all the fire and whether or not it has longevity. I'm very I'm sort of interested in your opinion on the order of which everything got played. And I haven't really been able to hear the outcast from this week. I don't know a lot of people have had concrete opinions on this. But because there's so much sort of production involvement in when you're playing. You know, when you have multiple sort of competing advantages. I am I'm super interested in that aspect of it. Because you know, when are you led to play the I'll know of fire versus a regular idle versus the steel vote advantage. It does seem like it's so ripe to the producers sort of picking the order of whatever they want feels like the order of operations some back in class. Yeah. Basically, depend us of advantages where like, okay, I would say of the three then I think the votes steel is by far the least advantageous because you actually have to play it, you know, before the votes are cast. And so you really putting your cards out there. And you can do it to make a bluff sorta like what the David's did this episode or you could completely screw yourself. Like, Dan Foley did where when he stole when he was going to use his extra vote that tipped off mama of like, oh something's going down. I need to play my idol. So I feel like while the votes seals like, oh, this is a fun idea. We get to rob someone of the right to vote the or that you have to play it in completely like screw the person that they really need to show right up. Front what they're doing? Yeah. Because I mean, essentially, it's about wind can you make decisions right because there's a decision that's made after the vote steel happens because then you can change the vote whereas in terms of win the idol nullifies played, and when the idol is played really there's no decision that happens in between those two in my mind. Like, I know that I'll nullify has to be played, theoretically when you when you cast the vote, so it is before the idols, but it feels like those are pretty much at the same time. But yeah, I mean, there's just there's no way to predict the idol Mullah fire. I think I it's just I it's really difficult piece to play with if you are on the other side of the vote. So that didn't really answer the question. Terms of order of everything. But I feel like I don't know if I were in the middle kind of get played at the same time. In terms of how they are flushed out in the actual game play that episode. Yeah. And I did like Jeff had a very interesting way of delivering Rigas like this as a hitter immunity idol, and this is the idol nullify, and I can only imagine how w Tf the vast majority of the cast was on that like they had no idea this thing even existed. It was like the legacy advantage. When it first appeared in millennials versus gen-x, the only got a reaction after Jeff cut to explain exactly what that meant. And I don't know if it will appear again in thirty eight, but they didn't see it happen in thirty seven. So they're going to have no idea what it is either. I feel like starting in thirty nine. Maybe we'll start to see some of that emerging game play of trying to plan around the idol modifier. Yeah. I mean, I think if anything it's going to make you the propensity for keeping idols to yourself. I think is definitely going to increase, right? Because you were definitely not going to share that information. Because now, it's it's no longer. Loses some of its power, not only through sort of the bargaining power of it all, but then also with the fact that somebody can legit nullify, your idol, and it actually has literally no power. So I think it's just gonna lead to people keeping it to themselves. Yeah. It's a good question. I guess we'll start to see down the line. You know, how much this play in particular makes an impact. Well, let's get back to the recipient of us unfortunate nullify are so Akiva as per usual. You will be the judge during executioner to figure out between myself and the pairing of Liana and the robot and have you done breath. First searching in costing your AI for this. No, no. I clearly could learn thing or two from Christian hubadoo. No. This was just a terrible idea that I just ran with. But unfortunately with this prediction, this is half. A I half me. And this is my God. This is so embarrassing. All right. I had Dan as my winner. Pick. Oh, wow. I know this is oh my God. I read this. Did you do the robot have Dan as I know? I should have just blamed it on the robot. But I can't this one's definitely on me. All right. Well, this is what is last. They I wrote about Dan. Okay. Dan is the total Dana's the total package with this empathetic non-threatening attitude in his humble approach to the game. He makes bonds early improves his strength to the tribe win. He been likable calming and is million competitive strong. His one weakness was being strategically more overweight. But that didn't stop him from reaching the final three because he was never anyone's target along with his strong social game. It was his final juries each that really sold. His case he told the jury he played for the love of swat and him daughters. He also inspired the audience remarking, get desire out of life kids, less running. His closest ally was alike and his worst enemy was Natalia. So many things as per usual to unpack from that. I mean that I was a little inspired by that speech. And we know that Dan is good at inspiring speeches at least to himself. Yeah. Maybe desire out of life kids, less running less less running. Please stop Doug don't run anymore. Yeah. Well that one I agree with for the love of swat in him daughters. This is a disaster just from top to bottom on to say that outright. Well, I I will say I did not make damn winter pick which is good. Could Leon a you? And I have been on such the same wavelength for the past year. We both had Morgan as our winner picking. Actually, I believe a key lesson. You were on here was when Morgan got voted out, and you both disparage us for picking the third boot from ghost island as our winner. We both ended up picking Tyler from big, brother. But now we're finally going to have disparate winter picks. A while. I'm excited to see. So I was not as high on, Dan. Obviously as we oughta was I did have Dan make the finale, I said that Dan would be the workhorse of the Goliath tribe. I said that Dan would get cut for being too much of a jury threat. I said he would attempt to name his alliance the Justice league because he was a big superman guy preseason, I said, he'll find at least one idle, and I said that Dan will be Jeff's go-to person at the finale, prompting Casuals to make the push for survivor, forty two. Dan versus Michael. And I said his closest ally would be John and his worst enemy would be Christian. Like, Michael, you're damn. No me versus me mice bloom for season. Forty two bloom versus Goliath in bloom. I feel like it makes the most sense right perfect. All right. Akiva, the decision is yours who do you think had the more accurate prediction as to how Dan would end up doing in the game? Well, first of all, I agree with your with your prediction that then we'll get some a disproportionate amount of. Finale time as someone that probes wishes had one I'd say between him and John they'll get more questions than like every woman the woman game from by. So I'm going to go with with Mike, Mike three seven. There's so many other things I was wrong about that one. Yeah. We'll see. I definitely have sort of grease the wheels. Now for when I go on with rob and try to predict to will speak at the finale, and I don't know if Dan was as much of a totally honest point earlier as much of a Perot ick character as someone like Michael yorker. But I still think he he has a big enough storyline especially from a personal standpoint to garner. Some some finale screen time come a few weeks also considering that there might be a couple of people that might not be there that means more screen time for the rest of that. Yeah. That's crazy. I still can't believe Alec isn't going to be at like, I don't know what to make of him now because I really like him on the show. But I don't know if I'm allowed to like him have you? I think there's I think there's a chance that let's say there's a scenario where Alex wins or or makes the finale. And then you have this knowledge of him sort of doing what doing what we could speak openly about it on this year. I mean, we we talked about a preseason. So I think if you want be dealing spoiled there if you don't want to deal with the TMZ stuff skip ahead, like three minutes or so. Yeah. So I just think if you're a so pretend you're like CBS, publicity or your Jeff Probst, and you have to make this decision. Don't you just say he's banned anyway, and then just takeaways money and like sort of make him come. If he actually does really well if he's relevant on finale night. I think he's I think he is there. I'm not positive because it could be like probes makes a big example of this is what happens when you. But this really wanna get into like stuff. That's never been mentioned on the actual show, which is like sort of like, the idea of pre-game spoilers and nonsense like that and bring more. So wouldn't shock me? We're I think we're like too deep in the weeds of being insane fan people. Whereas like up first of all, obviously, this is something that like no just regular show watcher knows about. I think there's a chance that that. He is there, and maybe just got fined or something like that. They could take away. Show singing, you know, like the economy, maybe not doing so hot. This is a cost saving strategy. Like, yeah. If we ban them we don't have to pay him the million dollars to give his flight is family flying. Then sure that's a good idea. Right. A few wins. And he's not there. Great. Well, what if they just make him Skype in it's much like a Akiva would notice that the finale the reunion for thirty thirty. There was a person who won who was not at the finale. And when the winner was revealed, it was the host who had to play the role of that person. So maybe it could be a thing. We're Jeff Probst reads the votes Alec wins and Jeff has to be like Alec and excitedly run into the audience and jump up and down with a bunch of random strangers. I would be okay with seeing that they could be it could be a one time thing. It's interesting though, that you're talking about the like maybe not getting into like pre game stuff because maybe Pandora's boat boxes been opened with the Pat stuff like look the already. So what happens with the boat ride? It happens beyond the scenes reality has been shattered as to they don't actually walk back to up. So you know, what let's just let all the strings be shown. Here's here's here's the contract. And here's what Alec broke. Why think about the philosophy? 'cause like I love the MTV's the challenge, but I really love them to these real world, which is right now not on that's coming to Facebook where Facebook I think the no television platform than Facebook watch might not exist in in three months when they're ready to learn. I so what they did their last three seasons is they completely broke the third wall worthwhile third wall. I know they broke one of the walls, and they started showing you the cameraman this sort of showing you sort of like both angles of the interview room where they would even show like the question like the producer who's the question ask her, and I sort of liked it. But it was a tacit omission that like the show is in popular anymore, and we'll just throwing stuff at the wall. That's no longer there. But they. But I do love I would love if Robert dry that once like if the robbers like about to go up there that would be fun just to like break all sorts of like conventional of rules that they had and show the cameramen, and I don't know show them on the bus going to the challenge things like that. The saying that I just made up. Nothing's more entertaining than a desperate, man. Is that a thing that I make that we can put that on a motivational poster behind like a seagull and put it on an office wall with the famous same. I believe it was ABRAHAM LINCOLN who wants. Nothing. Nothing. More entertaining, a desperate, man. I mean, if there's any high school seniors who are listening make book, quote, nothing's more entertaining than a desperate, man. Dash we on a Boris dash ABRAHAM LINCOLN. That's the job. Make sure you put the hashtag in the branding out there and argue book markets. Don't pay for a full year book ad in the back. You want? Decided to pursue that form of marketing. Let's pimp ourselves out to year. Bodey amazing. Let's call up rob right now asking this question. Rob we need we're really trying to plug the BNB with the youth. You know, everyone wants the eighteen thirty four is the the fifteen to forty fifty four's in. We just put a BNB add not the quarter page. We're not going full gold page. We don't have we're not his parents. We quarter page ad in the back of like every like New York and California high school year. We like should we target it to like a kid who doesn't exist? Like if I'm like oh today this happy graduation. Make sure you check out the AP BNP every weekend during the survivor, Susan. That's a great idea. Okay. So for our this is yeah. This is really the business plan you can tell both those at the business school for our marketing strategy high school your books. That's it. That's all we're doing and billboard. Can we get billboard to voice billboard three? Seventy. Congratulations on your graduation. Be sure. To check out the hashtag JP BNP three billboards outside ebbing, Missouri. It'll be like five billboards outside Schenectady, New York nailed it. Well, Akiva, do you have you brought the order of operations stuff any other things you want to bring up for for random discussion about survivor at large before we jump into the games proper. No, I didn't know there was such a clear delineation before we get this note playing games. I wanna play the games. All right. We can just jump right into the games. I don't like talking to Mike either. Yeah. Yeah. I can see through that the texture. That's essentially what that meant. I was I was you guys were essentially talking. I was on my own like Dan huddled up in a ball for two hours on the beach watching other people talk. Why are we only get to talk? We on podcast, I speak to Mike like every day. So it's you know. I got I to get my Leon. Well, that's because nobody pulls me aside for Powell while. Go wandering around the podcast studios. Yourself looking at for conversation. That's how you play podcast just curled up in a ball and my podcasting studio. No knowing comes talk to me, no one. It's a five gas of me before we get into that. Can we talk for a second about like the quote unquote, break-up of kera slash, Dan. Because it would have been forced out around the previously on. Did it meet your expectations? Akiva. You know, I didn't really have an expectations for our. We assume that like that that CARA is going to start dating. She's going to get into another relationship in the in the next four episodes or is that like a post game? I mean. Yeah. Love blooms properly in the last two weeks of survivor when everyone is out there most malnourished and disgusting wouldn't it be wild deflect there, the final two like Robin, amber style, and that's how the relationship started. And then you could like flesh back to like how insanely mad Jeff Probst than the production. What's the pin when they posted this picture like this is the final two, and Dan this is the final two just like screwing us over for no reason, what's a fit whatever. The caption was. His most entertaining when he does. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I don't I also don't know what I expected, I think because this kind of goes to comment of us being the like weirdo super fans of knowing what was going to happen, and knowing that Kara doesn't end up with Dan, you know, in the end, he doesn't get the girl was just like these two and acting like a child and cars babysitting him, and so it was like, good riddance. He can just go. He can go be a little baby and his ball on the beach, good riddance, but chunk. Liane? Let's get into some stuff with the kiva because we have a lot of fun stuff for fair for this guy this week, Gerald, please. Okay. So I really like, Robin. Akiva to podcast so props to you Akiva for showing up in doing some weird stuff. So I was inspired by your tweets or trash episode. So I decided we're gonna play our own game of your tweets are trash and we're going to visit to different Twitter accounts. The first one is the survivor Twitter account, which I don't know either. If you follow, but they have a tendency to re tweet very generic things. And so the first few questions are about this, so Mike, we'll we'll start with you. So you're going to try to guess, I'll give you four options and one option I wrote the other three were actually re tweeted by the survivor Twitter account to play. Why do we think survivor Twitter account likes ago as generic as possible considering that like by comparison big brother, I guess it's like a form of visual reach waiting when they put the tweets up on the screen, but like those are very very center inside really centered right of like, oh, I hope the next wins. Head of household. You know, not just like big brother is a good show. They tried to be. So it's interesting that survivor decides to go the more vague route. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they're also they're not putting them up on the show leg. It's just the generic nonsense. But I think isn't that would Eric Stein discovered. Is that the more generic the better? Yeah. That's how that's how you get the SEO at everything. It's possible. The person who runs a Twitter account like runs eight different shows on CBS count and doesn't actually watch survivor, and that's why it's like going for as possible. Because even if you got into like proper nouns, they're nervous like oh. That person's not actually on the show. They're just trying to. Chris things like survivor is great house near annoyed. This person is like, oh, I don't wanna get tricks like last time. The windy. Alejandro is not in the not in the final duel of destiny. Start tweeting stuff like that tag survivor. Yeah. Otherwise, maybe the Windies Twitter account will come for them. They like gotta stay in their lane. Give it to me. These guys reach tweeted things. All right. So, hey, woo Hoo. It's let hashtag survivor beat y'all. I just love Christian face emoji with the little hearts. Hashtag survivor see sectors emoji with glasses. I g- losses. Hashtag survivor or D. Yes. Go, dan. Hashtag survivor who see a beer d makes me feel like it's one because I feel like those are two focused to be retreated. Like, I don't know if the survivor Twitter account wants to take sides because it is very much divided down the middle. This is probably the most like as much as we're talking about people possibly jumping back and forth. This is probably one of the most divided seasons. We have seen in quite some time. Might be because of the theme. We definitely talk about that. So I feel like it might be or D even though sectors is completely random. I would not put it out there. I'm a possibility. I'm going to say that be you wrote you were on the right track. It was d- actually my to proper nouns. We follow Keita's rules of Ray tweeting. You can't pick things with first time ever. I was wrong about something the sectors one took me a second. But it was Christian talking about his strategy for looking for the idol sectors. What is wrong with the in that runs the Twitter account? Why don't think did he even say sectors on the shower d say sections? I don't know they read tweeted sectors. Check survive. Okay. Truly genius. Okay. Kiva? This question is for you. A tribal tribal tribal has checks survivor. Be this tribal is going to be everything has shag survivor. See yum burger bar has shag survivor or d I love the David's hashtag survivor. I love this tribals going to be. That is correct. What a tweet that really has value for more than the two minutes after the after the challenge, and the and the travel starts because after that, we basically useless like why would that getting likes pass this tribal? One other interesting strategy as well in terms of being vague. You wanna make sure that you're not referencing any specific events because they could be federal and just completely like out the window by the time. The next segment ends. Well, my rule is that I'm Robert live tweeter. I don't watch live. But my rule is. I think you get to tweets per episode if your life tweeter, I don't think you should be able to live tweet the whole show unless like that's your job like you run the CBS survivor on Twitter. So I do think you have to make them count. If you want that to be one of your two fine. But that's not going to get any likes after the first five minutes. I think you have to go big picture. Yeah. Like, this is the this is the greatest tribal ever like if you're gonna go super generic or like. You can't you can't do something. That's like that's only relevant from eight forty one to eight forty eight was yum burger bar relevant for a longer period of time. Then I don't think that's I don't think they got a single light. If that's not getting retweeted that's not getting one. Can we talk about like Jeff creaming himself over the Boola burger bar for a second. Because that was by far the most salacious Jeff has delivered any reward in the show's history, in my opinion. Yeah. That was pretty bad. But I I don't know. I think it's maybe it's just hard for me to differentiate because he I think he just does that a lot though like what was unique about this one. He felt like he dragged it out, and he really dug into that dirty talk voice of his talk about cheese Bergers, they can burgers like he's legitimately was pulling things out of a one nine hundred phone book. And I don't know felt very odd to watch. Even though it does seem like, I don't know. I feel like from what I've been hearing the burger bar might actually Trump like the floating pizza in terms of actual quality of food. So maybe we'll burger bar is here to stay much. Jeff's happiness. I like the chef guy is Jeff ever eaten differ even during during a reward challenge. Like is. He just like, hey, let me go. My me. Let me dig in with today. It's a good question. I mean, maybe I feel like in those challenges where he can offer up food. I feel like maybe in the early seasons when things were a bit more loosey goosey and the role between hosting contestants were a bit more blurred. He could have said, right? When Jeff was a beta back in the day when he was like below the contestants. Exactly, I feel like then he could be like. Yeah. If you're not gonna these orange slices Iowa. I like this idea that Jeff doesn't have access to the craft services table on the on the set. And so he's having to just like go and get the scraps they need it more than he does. So didn't he go with Wigglesworth to the bar? Yes, they went. They did. They did go to the survivor bar to watch the premiere of survivor Borneo. Yes. So that was the greatest moment of Jeff life when he got to drink onset. All right. So that's enough for the survivor Twitter account because literally all the tweets are just like that. And they start to get super boring and super repetitive. Hashtag survivor. So I'm going to move over to Dan, Dan has posted some interesting things on social media. So mike. This question is for you. Dan, posted a video to his Instagram of him. Singing a song called bitches. Yeah. The chorus revolves around the lyric. Yeah. I don't deal with bitches. No more. Oh god. Then this question is you have to guess what lyric? Dan, does not sing your turning this back on after I challenge just kind of a fake lyrics two weeks ago. And it was this his song this like an original or he's just singing. I had never heard of it. It's by Mitchell. Ten penny. Is that someone I should know? That sounds like that sounds like a fake name. It is no one you should just like a fake name. When I was writing my fanfare later. Mitch ten penny showed up. Okay. So also this was posted with the caption shots fired back tag. You're it wink emoji hashtag, you know. So wait Harris child, you know. So he was these are like sub tweets on sub tweets on subject. Yes. Is this? Yes. I don't know what emotional gymnastics this man is doing, but let's try to guess with some of the lyrics. So, hey, you're the best damn deal. In town owes so cheap. Ooh. E twenty four hour corner store, and you have a lot in common. Damn see. I still believe in love. But not the kind you're making with every guy in this club who or no, no, no bench. Well, I mean, I feel like d has to be in there because you got that your hook, right? Like, that's how bitches ended up climbing up the charts with Mr. ten pennies lyrical witticisms, the other two being see or very much slanderous towards this woman's activities. So I feel like they're sort of paired up together. And what was again, you're the best damn deal in town Oso cheap. Ooh. That one's kind of slander as well. I'm gonna I'm gonna say that a you wrote. Good guests. It was be so guessing you're wrong. Good guess. But no. No. It was twenty four hour corner store, and you have a lot in common. So anyway, Dan, definitely throwing some shots. ICBM kara. Alec. I don't know. This is this is this for guy who I'm going to go in on Dan for a second for for someone who in his Ponderosa video. It was all about like I wanna prove to my daughter's like, you don't need to get ahead in life by lying cheating and stealing and then produces a video on Instagram. That's sick enough to Lear like, no, no, no bitches that doesn't that feel like despaired disparate logic. I don't know. That's Mike you're going to be a parent soon. So you're going to have what are you going to teach your kids? It's you can't lie cheat in the game of survivor, but you can when creams concern legs. It's the wild west. Yes. Exactly. Go ahead. Sing a song called bitches. Definitely go for it. Okay. All right. So Akiva is still a winning this game. And this next question. This is free. Keep us. So NAN accidents took a medication. He wasn't supposed to and posted about it on Twitter. So what medication did Dan accidentally take? Hey, his dog's heart worm and flea medication. Be laxatives see his sister's birth control or de tide pods. It's not tide pods. I'd say it's like the dog thing is funny. Laxatives? I guess I'm going to say his sister's birthday was a his dogs heart worm and flea medication. Ooh. I don't know. I don't know what you'd rather as as the as the wrong. L D marry kill sister's birth control dogs, heart ramidus or tied. Pots. This is the dog's heart worm and flea medication challenge. Yes. So I don't Dan, Dan is a hot mess. Okay. So let's move onto Dan ring ring. Daniel ring ring dot com. So these last few questions about his website, so Mike you have to guess what clothing you cannot buy on Daniel ring ring dot com. So three of these are actual products. You can purchase on his website and one I wrote. Okay. So, hey, a hash tag team rendering t shirts be hashtag embrace, the suck yoga pants a t shirt that says, well, it's FC UK fake friends. And there's this little emoji guy who like stick figure guy who's humping. It's very bizarre. Yeah. Definitely wrote this one or a hashtag swat cop, women's jersey tanktop. Ooh, okay. I feel like swat cop like sin concerned that he wore the Gainesville swat t shirt on the show. I feel like that's that's consistent with branding. Dan is like something like what the haters? He is relentless like he is just it seems like he's a properly fine gentleman except for when the haters are involved in which case he says. Yeah, here's this merchandise to say screw all of you put out the song to all the haters. So the other two are the embrace the suck yoga pants, and what was the t shirt the first one hash tag team rendering? That's a horrible hashtag as well. Why not team Dan like first name for so much shorter than your last name? I'm gonna say that embrace the second. I don't think he ever said embrace the suck. So I feel like that's that's inconsistent Brandt. Okay. That one is real. I don't know where hashtag embrace the suck came from. But you can buy it on his website, unlike t shirts and yoga pants and tank tops. No, it was d- swat cop one which he is not selling which seems like this opportunity. Do we think the swat brand is like copyrighted that he won't be able to use it? You're maybe he can't like he can't do police related stuff. Possibly as part of. It is like, you know, how it's illegal to like have a fake police badge and claim that you're a cop is it a legal to like having a t shirt that says swat cop on it. Because you're technically impersonating swat cop. Yes. You can't be a Cup. If you're a swat cop. You have to tell me. Hold on before you. And before I answer the door wanted to show me all the t shirts, you have on what all the t shirts. What are all the hash tags on those t shirts? Yeah. Everything was pretty much a hashtag except for the fuck fake friends T shirt, which is a brand new. He's selling I will send the link if either of you want to check that out. It's just very bizarre. It's like. I just I can't get over. There's this. If anybody is interested checkout, I think he's on his Instagram and his Twitter. But it's this little stick figure guy humping or or farting sonar. I don't know. Honestly, I can't offer. It's just very odd. It's very odd. Okay. I wish you had asked me to guess how much it is before. Yeah. I know it. Yeah. It's oh it's worse than heroin. Okay. So let's say by the way, if I saw somebody where this short like even if even if like they were any any like he was one of my children like they're immediately out of your life. Now. Judgement towards no coming best seller. Let me just grab this. There's no way he sold. One of the it has one review its five stars. But it's it's done like an across stick. Like a crossword puzzle where the F F C K. It goes down for FA K E, and then the of e of fake and becomes the Ian friends. But I think by far the worst thing is this fording like I think it's working. I think that's that's what it's supposed to be with the wifi bars coming out of its rear end. But like, it's not even completely different color. It's not even blended into the rest of the shirt. It's just a gray box in the middle of your t-shirt. It's insanely bad. And it is thirty twenty nine ninety nine to thirty one nine nine. I guess like, I guess it goes at the four XL assuming it goes by size. I don't know how these shirts go. You can also Mike you can switch the color of it. And it only gets you can go to dark Heather gray athletic, Heather or true, Royal? Yeah. The the review is like you said, Mike, it's got five stars OMG. I ordered a bunch for Christmas. This is exactly something me, and my friends would wear be real rod genuine, no room for fakers. Mrs from Ninfa, Z, tow, my sano from two days ago, a real person as real as Mitchell. Ten penny or whatever it's doing. What's right? Also, it's an extra two dollars for two three zone. Four excel. And if I'm not mistaken didn't then used to be like a like a very heavy Asan. So this kind of kind of root once showed him twenty nine ninety nine. I don't think you need to charge extra on the T shirt or like to make a larger size. I think you can you can take the two dollar loss there and discharge everybody the same. I mean, really the shirt without the logo is worth more. Putting the logo on it. It makes it on wearable because I would say sure to so bad. It's like some people are like, oh, you know. I got the shirt, but it's like, okay. It'll be like a nighttime charter like I'll wear this the bed. Nobody'll see it outside like my family if my wife saw the shirt like it's a meeting. There's no way. There's no way. There's no way shirt screams, irreconcilable differences otaly. Absolutely. Like, if my kids are like, what's. This whole conversation of like, why did you spell that wrong? Oh my gosh. Imagine going out in public with this shirt and Leona is right. It's not clear. Whether this guy's body is going forward. There is like what do you call it? There's a wifi signal coming out of the guys. But like, I assume that might be a far, I'm not sure I think it's working is he pooping on his friends possibly Ospel. I'm the. Yeah. I couldn't believe that this existing. I feel like it's fake friends such a big probable. So like is that a big problem in life, like your friend? They'll say wise like he's humping them. He's humping his faith friends. I feel like that's a sign of maybe it's literal. Maybe maybe he's being literal is like don't, you know, like like just turn them into your life? You know, we're going to. Oh my goodness. But anyway, so if anyone's interested in ordering their very own fuck fail. No, do not do not linked to it in the pod. All right. Oh my goodness. Okay. So the last question, Akiva, this is for you. You've already won the game. But we'll go ahead and ask this last question. So Dan also has a been a book cover model for romance novels. So I'm going to ask you some titles of books, which one did he not model for what was he not on the cover of? So your book titles are a elder bonds be crossroads of the heart. Sec-? Dear step, brother. I want you. Oh, oh, dear. It was so painful for Leon even sat for not flirting with forever. Okay. So I don't think it could be because it was so hard for you to say now, I don't think you also came up with that that would have been like double. Flirting with forever is kind of generic generic what was beginning with roads of the heart. Yeah. I like to think there's like Britney Spears tie in there. Also, I'm gonna go the crossroads of the heart. Okay. So I don't know do either. If you watch flora Bama shore, no like jersey shore rip off. Okay. So there's a guy from there was also a romance novel model, and he it seems to be a very common job. Again, Bobby really light broke ground on that trip. So many of these jobs there are so many of these books. It's pouring an entire industry of men. Exactly. And and it was not, Dan. It was Gus who is on the cover of deer. Stepbrother? I want you Gus from flora, Bama, sure. So no, I didn't write it. It is a real book if anyone is interested of anyone's interested in purchasing copy of deer stepbrother, I want you that is packaged with the fuck. Vic friends d shirt. This time ring dibbled deal on Daniel rendering dot com. Can I very quickly read a the Amazon synopsis that is written during I want us. Please have all if you have kindle on limited. It is free suggest an advantage to go for that on cyber Monday. This kindle unlimited have an income. No, you have to attach your name and possibly your IP address. All right here, we go gorgeous incendiary tempting original sin and totally off limits. He's rough dominant and hottest hell on wheels. Channing Hensley blew into my life. Like a firestorm now I've been in love and lost with him since the minute. I laid eyes on him own secret. Of course, he doesn't know. No one can know the things I dream of him doing to me. No one can know that I at the picture perfect. Sweet little good girl. Want him to be my first. So I hid it away. Instead in a letter where I poured out my heart, and my deepest darkest fantasies for the man with the body made for reckless choices what the man with the body made for reckless choices that could also be your yearbook, quote if anyone's looking for and the piercing green eyes that dare you to make them the man with a dark past and the fierce gaze that lingers on me in a way that takes my breath away. He's six years older than. Me. He works for my family's law firm. He's totally wrong. Utterly inappropriate and completely irresistible. Fantasizing about him about Channing Hensley is so bad. But I want him. Did that scratch your? Fan fiction, which this was like this is a trip to the burger bar in a book. Yum, burger bar, whatever the tweet was. This is this is crazy. This is like a this is like we're graduated from flowers in the attic right now like they are out and about in terms of their lusting after Channing Hensley, brother. That's terrifying. Do know Jimmy Kimmel does the videotape yourself telling your kids that you ate their Halloween candy or like waking them up on thanksgiving morning, like bashed in the heads up like that. I would like if listeners could tweet at Mike in Liana and after they've bought the love you my stepbrother. Solter altered wine around like right by my step. Reading the book wearing the shirt, and then like if you have a significant other or a child or a parent, whoever whoever would be most mortified by seeing this. And then videotape the reactions secretly and send them my man, I'm excited to be responsible for so many broken. The problem is I don't want to don't endorse buying that shirt because it's so bad. So you need to steal money. You'll the shirt. I don't know like maybe by the sheriff and return it and say effective because there's like stab wounds or by the shirt and say and just right in the message like I'll pay you back play her. Something like that. Because I don't I the book you could buy because that's not going to them. But we can't we can't let him have any money from from the shirt. So maybe make your own copy, which would probably cost you a lot less than twenty nine ninety nine. He's selling. Yeah. And it's it's I would like to see those reaction, and it's a way easy. It's so easy to just make yourself like this is not a complicated design. I'm pretty sure this is just click on the minute. You could literally just copy one of his daughters could have done it. As far like, hey, Honey tie. This idea for shirt your mother graphic designer for Daniel rendering dot com. Oh, no the child. All right. Well, that's all I got for your tweet slash website slash products. You're selling or trash. Congratulations Akiba on winning. I although I really don't think any of us one here today discovering the t shirt, but you know, it is what it is. Yes. And so hopefully, all of you will take the rendering reaction challenge. And let us do help people in your life react to dear stepbrother, I want you aka I love my stepbrother or the t shirt or a I hate bitches or whatever the song was the dam was was lip synching to don't deal with bitches. No more. No, no more. Let's let's let's stay on the Dan train here. Because I want to talk about the pond Orosa videos, that's per usual. They're very high quality produced, but we haven't three jury members. And we haven't really gotten any of the like production numbers that Ponderosa gotten the past couple of seasons. If finally came to its debut this. Week as Dan and John came back together to give a message from Brochand show Inc. Which also included the four rules of being a broach. Oh, I just want to talk about this. There's a lot baked into this. And all the preparations that happened. And the way it's done first off before we got on Eric kiva. You gave a pretty hot take not as hot as my grandmother is dead. But a pretty hot take about how you want. I thought we were going to. That's forever. But you pretty hot take about the Ponderosa video. My dad doesn't listen to the being putting hopefully it's not really gonna yearbooks anytime soon. No, no, no reaction video of your glistening. No, no. No. No. So what what what did you have to say about the Ponderosa videos in general? I think I used to be like this particular video or the idea for we get into the actual used to be much more into them. But I felt like I would watch them. And then like, I never got anything out of them. And it was like all right. I'm wasting a lot of time watching these. So I kinda stopped and I feel like if something super interesting it's sort of boil so the service and people started reading about it or posting about it in a Facebook group. But this was really interesting this sort of my bring me back into watching more of them. Yeah. I I kind of feel the same way of you know, because sometimes they can be hit or miss. And so if usually there's something good it will bubble a surface. But then, you know, then I worry about missing something something entertaining. Oh, no. I think your life will literally be fine. If you miss tanning. I don't know. I mean, I feel like another we live in like post Kris noble, period. Where everyone's like you have like things can become legitimately viral for they get taken down due to copyright issues. Like now everyone's but if it gets viral, you're definitely gonna see it like, it's not like. Let the people do the work for you. That's true. Yeah. Let because there's a video like there's a copy of it somewhere on the internet. I think so let's get into this. So I'm going to sort of talk through this segment, and we can just sort of riff on it. So it starts with legitimately. The green texts comes up says a special message from broach shows Inc. And Dan as El presidente as he declared so long ago, essentially is this some sort of like training video like is this leg if your being employed as a broach Acho approach owes Inc. The CEO is going to sort of play video for you. That introduces a message from the president about the rules you need to follow. Well, I had interpreted it like, it's an MLM type video that like, congratulations. You just purchased. Your I share and Roach Inc. The fold Dan I have a former survivor player just in mind to bring into the full Holt. Team up. Okay. That makes sense. But so Dan, the, Dan and John have a very different dynamic here in terms of approaching broach. Chosing Dan has this nice? Blue Hawaiian shirt on. He's sipping a nice drink. Poolside? John is just like clowning around in the pool, and we'll get into the disparity between their ways of talking through the rules. But I'm wondering if this is like a good cop bad cop type of a type of explain the broach. Rules, just interesting how there's not really a unified message coming from the company swats good swat cop, bad swat is that different. I can't imagine. How if you could be a good swat up isn't out. They're supposed to like bust into people's houses. Yeah. But this one is very politely. They ring the bell. I don't know writes their feet on the mat before they enter so Cuba. What did you think about the production value behind the specifically all the quick cuts? We do back and forth between like how long do you think? It took them to shoot. All this. A shooting. I'm not sure I editing. That's really what I had in mind like that. How long edit versus the old videos were just like some dude clearly had like a two hour filming schedule, and that's all they just threw up like the best seven minutes of a confessional alongside some background of some guy walking on a beach or like exercising. This probably took a long time. But I also think he knew he had some gold with two funny guys. I don't like to me. It's so different from what the other ones were. I assume it's a new person doing. I mean, it could be there could be like an entire production team. Now, that's just like coming up with no way. There's no way. There's no way is more than one you. It's just one guy. Who's just as having the best time. I mean, he might have might be like a cameraman and letter. But there's no way they like, you know, we need to do we need to spend more money on on the road of like. Yes. Sorry. We're going to have to do the wrong with whole family visit reward again because we spent too much budget upon the Rosa. Yeah. Eight does sometimes fuel though, keep I you didn't watch the preseason content. But it does feel like these are have higher production than some of the preseason videos that they put out on the cast just in terms of the editing quality. Yeah. It's really weird thing about specifically this where they're just utilizing a bunch of quick cuts. But like again, I go back to the rat video in terms of like actually getting a jet ski on their involving the staff but let let's go to the rules here. I I will say so Dan in John had this very interesting way of delivering things reminds me a lot of the key impede sketch with Obama and his angry translator, we're like damn will be very matter-of-fact, and John will just be gritting his teeth and yelling at the camera. Yeah. That's a good analogy. I didn't. I didn't think of that. But yes, I'm sure that's exactly what they were going for. I thought what was interesting about the rules is sort of there were the four main rules, which I'm sure we'll talk about and then just like random rules interspersed by John my favorite part about the yell at corollaries an amendment, right? Like, what was speaking of soup? What would what did he say? Like broach owes don't eat a spot show or something like that. Yeah. I guess. So I don't know if that's supposed to just have a ring to it. Or if it's like, you can't ingest objects or do things that rhyme with Roach off show. Spot show Rocho I feel like that would be the food of bro chat show Inc. This either deeper than that Leon it. Plus, they don't like cold soup. It's all it's hotter. Nothing for them. Right. Hot cop buck soup. But let's let's go through these rules here. Number one, bro. Chacho is much must always do their pull ups only pull ups. No other exercise. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't know how many pulse I can actually do. So I think if we're sort of charting our own. I know minituck to like lifetime life in your in your lifetime. You can do hero push pull ups. I'm saying like, I've never been able to do one. I think I'm going to be stuck at zero at the end. Like, I think I'm. The euro. Right. It's a very specific type of exercise that I guess is particularly Brody. Although the only person in my family is my daughter. Yeah. Always your pull ups. I don't know. What else? They would do, you know? But always do your pushups situps. Always do your presidential fitness test. I don't know. Well, he is the president day. So this is technically presidential fitness test. It's only pull ups it's only pull ups I would fail rule number two for being Brosio. Watchos hair? Must always be on point. I don't know what that means. I guess that means just like I mean, these are very like they start off with personal style tips, which feel much more qualitative than like the actual process of being approach. Oh, these are not too dissimilar from like the GTL jersey shore rules from several years ago. Yeah. That's very true. I mean, this are also very oddly specific like I've never been part of an MLM. But are these types of rules that you have to stand by always do your pull ups and heroin point? So these are more like cultural. Yes. Okay. Great. That's what's going on. Here. You must get up every morning, and do your hair a certain way and do your pull ups while like bowing to the altar of Dan rendering, God all right broach rule number three Abro Chacho. What's always maintained his magic skills and apparently he clarified at the mad skills refer to survivor skills. Like fire making coconut aiding and Michetti, Akiva. Can we power rank those three in terms of importance on survivor? So fire eating coconut eating you're making. Coconut fires fire making sorry. I thought you said fire eating buyer making coconut eating and using of fatty. I'd say like is coconut eating skill. I'm rave, so I'm really good at. Like, I don't I don't like coconut. But I feel like I'd be able to on survivor like is there someone who can eat coconut, if you're allergic, I guess, then you can't be part of Roach out showing also. Fire that's pretty discriminatory. Yeah. I would definitely say that's the least important with I guess. Kill. No, it's not a skill. How dare you? I just practiced my Turkey eating skills. Mon- mad skills. And I'm pretty good at it. So I think coconut should definitely be included and fire making makings got to be number one bright consuming that there's now a facet of the game. A whole round dedicated to it. Yeah. I think so I think so I'm just glad that they clarified what maintaining mad skills. Also, I like that it's maintain your mad skills was part of the application to broach. Oh, Incas that you have to demonstrate these skills and be like, okay. You to eat ten coconut all right in front of you have a Flint, you have a machete, and you have ten coconuts. You have five minutes. I'm sure that was definitely part of the the hazing ceremony that happened for Chacha the pro-choice as we go into like a hazing process. Of course. Obviously. All right. Final rule here the word broach. Oh is quote, unquote, Hugh, big US, it can be used as a noun adjective or verb. So broach honcho has gone full Smurfit at this point. I like first of all I love the Dan mispronounced. You you big yoU'. What did he say you said like ubiquitous, I mean, you, Hugh, Hugh big US. John is like. This yet. Yes. So I don't know. I feel like these skills. Go from at least simple in concept too, much more difficult. Like is this a this is a rule that you have to use the word? I I just I didn't understand how to execute this. Final rule. Not to mention have we ever seen it being used as anything other than a noun like were they saying, oh, this is a pretty Chacho day. We didn't get any practical applications of this on the island. We trust. The Dan knows what given verb like an or or is that like the producer now injury telling them what what are the things instead of schoolhouse rock San grew up listening to Mitchell. Ten penny. That's all I educate from. Okay. Dan is bitches and now verb or an adjective. So so I mean, we had also not heard the term, Hugh big US. I don't know exactly what that means. Is that just mean that Christian like it's Christian referring to things vaguely could Christian be the one running this or via Twitter account. Yeah. You're gonna only and that's why one of the tweets that included a proper noun was I love Christian y'all or whatever it was saying it's a conspiracy theory for making connections here. So anything else about this ridiculous segment and the the rules? Do we think that are going to be more rules added on to the point where Dan and John will come up with the broach? Oh rulebook much like the Boston. Rob rule. Book became thing. I'm excited to see how much he sells it for on Daniel rendering dot com. God it's going to be like fifty dollars going to be made out of toilet paper. I've got a question. Did did we don't you think that until a few weeks ago, we were out of broach autos altogether? Like, we had sort of retired the word that had been brought back who quarterback Kerry. Yes, it was. Yes. And then we were done would people were calling. If someone was ever like, hey, bro. Chacho on Twitter. It'd be like all right. That's kind of over. Right. I think we it was sort of like the MRI Baylor thing where it's like love you bay. Okay. That's done if like three seasons you can't use it anymore, even as a joke. So brow rotunda was had just died. And I was happy about it. I think nobody was mourning the death of the word broach. Oh, now, we're stuck with it for three more seasons for chatshow Incas like the Ken bone of of sayings on survivor. Now, I think broach is sort of like a victim. They rebooted, bro. Chacho even though it was only because if we're gonna reboot poultry, essentially, tried to reboot it, and it's become I guess you'd say more successful. It's been more prolific like it's time. We're staying. Yeah. But they gave. No, they gave. No love to like the original. Yes. You know what? I mean. That's how these things work. They just take they take it. If you remember it because I know Mike probably wouldn't know this. But like the win Stuart Scott on sportscenter used to say who young and then like, Jim Cramer of mad money stolen. And now everyone thinks it's Jim Cramer's him. But he really just like really just, you know, yanked it, and that was sort of Scott's gone, and it's all you have to make. Yeah, exactly you have to at least throw in the references. You know that you can knowledge where you came from. But yeah, who came which came before you gotta say so you're saying that Terry should have made a cameo like sort of like how in twenty one jump street the movie you had the original twenty one John three people come in for like a blink. You'll miss it type of thing. I think if they if if they start selling t shirts, he needs to get a cut is what I don't know. If you want those designed by Dan, what is what is ten percent of exactly he might be going them money at that point. Let's move in here. And we're going to try to another Renou trend, and you guys haven't technically done this yet. But we're going to do a take off on your beloved IMD bags segment. So we got very lucky this season in that we had not one but two people who came from the world of entertainment onto the show. They had some renown to them and it by proxy was able to allow for me to do with deep dive into the respective IMD pages of one John Hennigan and one Mike white. So I created a little quiz about the pages of John and Mike. We'll go back and forth. It'll be multiple choice questions. These are all about the various non survivor projects that they are involved in. I'm we'll see how well, you know, the IMDB pages which are pretty extensive of both of these gentlemen. I'm not gonna lie when you said to people as Kate mayor slam town and totally forgot because I was thinking Mike white. I'm like, why wrestlers don't necessarily always have like a lot of the wrestler. I am d stuff is just like wrestling shows. Okay. Well, that'll be that'll be my guess then for any John Hennigan WWE. I avoided all the wrestling stuff. Because to akitas point. It was a lot like I saw oh he has like eighty eight credits as an actor. But then like, they're mostly all, you know, appearances different episodes of like slightly. The slightly idle differently. I'm also I like like wrestling. But I also was not around when my when John was a wrestler. So I have no familiarity with them as interesting, well, hopefully, you'll get more familiar with him as an actor, and that'll sort of parlay into wrestling below. Let's start with you Liana. So John put out a movie he talked about this on his exit interview with Robin with myself as well called Boone the bounty hunter, which is now on Netflix, and John this is like a completely self funded self created project by John you did a good job of bringing on actors of some renown. I'm gonna give you a list of four actors, which actor of note does not star in Boone the bounty hunter with John Hennigan. Okay. Great. Hey Jonathan lip. Nikki be Lorenzo lamas. See mccully Kokin. Gee, Kevin Sorbo. Home. My gosh. Okay. Let's see. Okay. I feel it. So this is on Netflix. Okay. So I'm just trying to gauge the level. You know, not to hate on Netflix movies or anything like that. Like who is trying to make a comeback. Who hasn't been busy doing stuff recently? I man. What is MacAulay Culkin than up to? Honestly, what is what have any of these actors been up to three of them are up to Boone the bounty hunter? Okay. I feel like Kevin Kokin had had a podcast that one point. I think of. Well, anybody can have a punk is these days? Okay. Well, Kevin Sorbo. Definitely I'm pretty sure he's in it. Right. Because he was Hercules. So I feel like that would be get or John Hennigan. You know, what we'll just go with MacAulay Culkin that is correct Jonathan lip Nikki, Lorenzo lamas. And Kevin Sorbo are all in Boone the bounty hunter. Now, I'm interested. Now, you're interested in you really selling that moving. Truly an interesting caz. If you want to find out what happened to Jonathan lip Nikki host, Jerry Maguire, you have to watch Boone the bounty hunter to find out. Knows really been making the rounds six cents kit. What's again paid in Haley, total Osman? Yeah. Haley Joel has been on every podcast this year. Well, he's he's been all over the all over like the old come he's done it. But unlike he was on Silicon Valley like he's he sees you work consistently. I don't flip Nikki has but he's really worked pretty consistently. He has like a decent body work on Doboy. Six hundred guy whose name I just forgot alias allows me Joel h j show. Actually, let's just. Censored. All right. Let's go to you here in two thousand seventeen film. John Hennigan played a mythical creature what mythical creature did he play. Hey, a Centaur be a minute. Tar see a Merman D a Griffin. I never really know. What a Griffin is. I'm not going to go with that. I'm gonna say between the center and the minute towards one of those. And I'm going to say the minutes is correct. In the two thousand seventeen film David made a maze. He played the miniature. I guess which speaks back to the Smith myth from Greek origin. I write this down from my new versions of bedtime stories. Start time. There was a mini tar name John Hennigan named John Hennigan. He was stuck do support. You guys going on Rob's podcasts. And watching the the Netflix. John thune. Yeah. Yeah. I get I could do it. I'd be persuaded to do it. Because I think it's also we're not we're done with win. The bounty hunter stuff because I'm pretty sure it's it's about like a reality TV star who actually becomes a bounty hunter. I might actually watch this on my own like that's nothing can be worse than Santa's summer house for you have nowhere to go. But up it's true. Nowhere to go it up but only for Kevin Cervo. For the Renzo lamas. That's really why I'm watching it with Kevin a might be the woo of it and only appear in it for like five minutes. Get top billing. It'd be too bad lip Nicot is we are one all Leon number going back to you John China. They made an appearance on a Cartoon Network children's reality show into in the two thousands, which one did he appear in. Hey, destroy build destroy bees, dude. What would happen? See brain rush, d the other ciders? What are these shows? These are all actual reality shows that released by the Cartoon Network in the two thousands. Okay. First of all, how does Cartoon Network. Have reality TV, it's cartoon popular. It's popular MTV doesn't have music videos anymore. It's just a name. Okay. First of all, you could've written four TV shows like made up names, and I would have absolutely no idea. This is a complete shot in the dark. I will go with a that shot in the dark landed. You are correct John appeared on the show called destroy build destroy. Which I actually remember involved basically like two teams of kids with one adult supervising them like building giant machines, essentially attack each other. And I think John Hennigan actually competed against the Miz in one episode ended up prevailing. We are all real TV shows. These are all real TV shows. Wow. All right after Boone the bounty hunter. I got some TV to watch dude. What would happen might have been the most of noxious show? I've ever seen an involved like three dude Bros sitting around. And I'm not getting at the camera. Like, dude, what would happen if you wore fish tank on your head? And then they like, it's basically like the dumbed down version of Mythbusters where they were just walk around and do those things. This is some real quality television being put out on the Cartoon Network. It really there's a reason why they would back the cartoons very quickly. All right. Let's go back to you doesn't against been very busy. He's involved in several upcoming projects, which of these is not the name of an upcoming project starring John Hennigan. Hey, Dodds of medicine be the twenty seven club. See ATI Shane cars. God's in secrets de dare to dream. Twenty seven. I'm sorry. It was dare to dream. Oh. No, I works like he's a wrestler who works more than almost any other actors and insane. Yes. It's a lot. He's got a law going on. Let's say the twenty seven club a singer, songwriter chasing, fame and a journalism. Student researching his thesis are drawn into a sinister underworld as h attempts to discover the truth behind the curtain of the twenty seven club is he is he the student. I his name is his name is Jim Morrison, which isn't that the name of the lead singer of the doors? It's actually a remake. It's a bio pic. Yeah. I just say it's a bio pic nestled within. Yes. Philly goes to the doors also happens to be named Jim Morrison. That's very odd. Classic. All right. Let's go back to you Leon for question. Number five our last John Hennigan question. So I am TB has this really interesting feature where on each actress page they pick like the four movies. They're quote, unquote, most known for so of these four movies, which one of them was not in which one was not in the most known for category Boone, the bounty hunters already up there because that's his baby. But the other three were and one of them wasn't. Hey, Hercules, reborn. Be Sinbad and the war of the fury's. See twenty feet below colon. The darkness descending de strange nature. These all sound made up. These are all real movies. Okay. I will go a strange nature. No, I'm sorry. Sinbad in the war of the fury's. Despite him playing the titular character was apparently not known enough to make his mount Rushmore film, the war of the fury's or the furry. Nope. That is that'd be a very different movie. Sindbad the sailor takes on hold of furry. Listen that might be. That's true. At least you have the niche market appeal. Right. But maybe maybe there was like a misprint, and that sort of just attracted a weird Nishat audience to it. Right. I mean, they just confuse it like, I did it makes sense. Let's segue into the history of Mike white who has a he's mostly more known for his writing. But he has some acting stuff as well. So we'll certainly get into it. Akiva, let's go back to you. What John appetite produced TV show did Mike white not appear in this is only three choices freaks in key cts undeclared or love which one was he not in. It was not in. Now. I don't remember him in love and every episode of love. I'm going to say love, but I'm not con do should be confident. That is correct. Mike way was actually a writer on freaks engage and he made a cameo in one episode. He also made a cameo on credited cameo in undeclared. So fortunately, Judd appetite did not decide to bring him back in the Rolodex. He's resigned to being on survivor. I guess it's a fair trade considering I think loves fine. I know you wash it all the way through what'd you think of it? I really I really I was going to say I love I really really like it. It's not for everybody. But it I I love I love the spoon, man. Who's in really become at the end from Bill. Boys becomes like one of the main guys. I love the all right. Let's move on here. Liana what post apocalyptic film had Mike white played an uncreditworthy role. Hold victim in bathroom. I actually have a vanity license plate. Then I got down. I got my role of victim bathroom on my business card actually contagion be zombie land Sea World war Z de scouts guide to the apocalypse. Let's go with zombie land. That is correct Mike white appeared in zombie land. As victim in bathroom. Just imagine that on on putting that on your resume victim and bathroom sad. He was on credited. Well, I'm as extra after that burger bar. It seemed like Mike was going to be victim bathroom very soon up to was actually, Bob doc. Also victim Bruce Kennedy guy victim bathroom. Very much victim bathroom later on of throwing exiling or to keep it going back to you in two thousand and five and Mike white sermon. Vehicle called welcome to California. And he played a music composer who happened to have the same name as a celebrity, and it wasn't Jim Morrison. What was the characters name? Hey, Tom Hanks be Michael Bolton. See Kurt brussel, d John Goodman. I feel like the Michael Bolton been done already right from office space. So if they did that they sort of went to the well again with a joke. So I'm gonna go with Kurt Russell. His name was John Goodman. Okay. But my my thought is definitely office space reference that I put in there to see if you pick up on it. Should have been Fabio is the name. They should've picked. Yeah. Nobody knows Fabio's last night. I was gonna say actually, I don't know. What does last name is? I don't think it was real mailing share. Moving to Google it. I don't wanna be saying, let's say, Osceola and Sony. Yeah. See that runes Fabio same fob. You just got ruined when you revealed his last day. All right. We're going back to you Liana. So as for aware, Mike white vote for the emoji movie. But how many writers including Mike white recruiter data as part of the writing team for the emoji movie? A to b five c six d nine. I feel like there's always there's like the sweet spot of writers that when there's too many you can tell that the movie was just disaster. And it was like desperately passed from writer to writer to try to improve the screenplay. So I'm gonna I'm gonna go six that is correct. There were six people who wrote the emoji movie, you really need it. You can really tell that. It was touched by six hands. I mean, yes, it's an odyssey for our time. This really anyone has to craft it icon ick. It was a joint joint written joint tweeted. I don't know. They were outsourced. They were passing around and join absolately. All right. Let's go to you here, which of these roles has Mike white not played in a film. So I'll read you a role including the description and one of these is not rail. The other three are a corny a highly religious security guard be Nick are rich and accomplished Hollywood director, see Tyler a shy lonely IT guy. De Frederick a smug adult child of divorce. I'm going to say Frederick a smug. Adult shot is correct. The other three he did play lane corny the highly religious security guard in the good girl, you play Nick the Hollywood director in Brad status, and he played Tyler a lonely IT guy and enlighten, which was the TV show. He did with Oregon Brad status Brad status. It's Ben Stiller movie. Oh, oh, I thought it was like a Facebook status. The prequel to the emoji movie. Yes. Facebook status the movie. Yeah. Oh, no. Yes. That's what the real world is reboot. It's gonna all be about. It's about it's all communicated through status. Classic. Well, so Lena has four Akiva has three we're going to approach. One more sudden death round here. Here's how this is going to work. We're going to go rapid fire. We'll go back and forth. I'm going to read growing back to the John Hennigan. Well, here I'm going to read the name of a movie all real movies. But you had to tell me whether or not Jan Hennigan was in it. So just go right off, your gut. Don't be a victim in the bathroom. Just tell me if you think John Hennigan was in this movie, and we'll see hopefully, this means that Akiva will be able to have a shot of surpassing Liana here and taking the last minute win. So Liana we'll start with you as quickly as you can answer deadly press. No, that's great. Akiva, never leave alive. Yes. Liana the big shot. Yes. That's correct. Akiva, evolve. Over. Yes. Liana American Justice. No, yes. Lucky dragon wars colon de war. Liana house of hardcore too. Yes. Yes. Finally, Cuba are low the burping pig this as twenty points, right? Yeah. The correct answer by swapping, fifteen points, a Cubans. This. You guys got three right out of eight. That's not too bad considering these random smattering of films. I think that's what it's going to sound like Mike when you're talking to your child. Yes. No. No. Yes. Yes. As I'm showing them are load. The burping pig the hit family film. Yes. Everyone loves it. And the it was the straight to DVD version of babe knows the real crass version of bay it dealt at bay was to was to gentle. And so they really wanted to thirty it up a little bit the PG thirteen virgin. Well, congratulations Liana you have won this version of IM D bag. So I think we all have a really tucking into the extensive cinematic history of Mike and John alight. I like it a bunch of movies. I will probably never watch also. Yeah. We know way too much about I've looked to way too much into Mike White's filmography, also I'm looking at of the burping pig. The pig is voiced by Drake bell. Yes. Speaking of the challenge wasn't he on champs versus stars. Yeah. This is only like a year before doing that. So really he is a hopping from stone to stone across the Hollywood rounds truly making his way in the swan Jonathan Nikki. Of course, this is the new six degrees of separation from Kevin bacon. But no longer Kevin bacon. So cigarettes the separation from Johnston. Let John Hennigan I'm here for it better. Oh my goodness. Okay. All right. Well, I I actually have one more thing before we start to wrap up about like actual strategy. I don't know if that's something that this point that we are brains could handle or my brain could handle, but I had this yesterday of feeling like the post merge of David versus Goliath is just the post merge of ghost island, but with advantages that actually makes it interesting that sort of how I feel and I think that there's cases to be made for while these advantages are making it interesting, otherwise we. Have David sort of steamroll sort of similar to the navy's versus the Melos. So I don't know if either of you have thoughts on it. But I kind of feel like that's the situation that we're in. I mean, I have heard a lot of conversations about now that we have sort of dissect at the post merge of ghost island about how it was a bit unlucky that all the advantages sort of ended up on one side, especially the idol's like Jonathan had an idol Kellen had the extra vote, but they both ended up sort of being used for not. And that's how sort of Wendell Dahmer able to have a stranglehold on the game. So I could see the point that, you know, now that you have the David's commiserating together about all the idols that they had all the advantages that they had it definitely helps improve the underdog story as opposed to like, you know, the gongs, for example, all they could do is just sort of big be sitting ducks, quite literally. Yeah. I dunno. Akiva, do you have any thoughts about this? Really? Okay. That's fair. I don't know. I just I feel like this so often people are just, you know, say, oh, blah, blah, blah. I don't like advantages. But I think this might actually be kinda boringly. I know we're counting the season. And it has been a lot of fun. And I stand by that. But I think part of that is because of all the advantages. I mean, they were three really that. We're played from the idol. I dunno fire and the votes steel that all made this super exciting not to save the cast couldn't carrying themselves on their own. But I just think that sometimes there has to be a case for all of these advantages, and why they could be a good thing. I'm just throwing it out there. I don't know if that's sacrilegious in any way by just want throw it out there because I can well, I guess well, don't you think like something if like nowadays if somebody says, oh that was an amazing up. So almost always has like an epic tribal council rarely talking about the I like forty eight minutes of the show true. Even sometimes some of the classic episodes of let's say the last ten seasons. Like, you couldn't tell me this really would happen. You know, what a challenge or or it's sort of like light moments at camp. At almost always comes down, though that was like a tribal we've never seen before mother question is like how do we know is their chance? The I don't know if I was going to get re hidden or or no, I don't know. I feel like it's sort of like a one time thing. I mean that would be my hope because we only get only have like four rounds until the end. So it feels a bit foolish. So I can understand hiding idols. But I don't know if you need to rehire, the idol nullify or that being said, it could absolutely happen. And I think I think in other interesting, I think it would be so anti-climactic the second time. I almost think like it would almost guarantee it gets played also like how would you because Carl while he was on exile. Right. Could it be a thing of like does someone have to sit out a challenge most likely Carl because that seems to be the way is is going and he happens to get it again. I'm not entirely sure, I guess to answer your question Liana could this also just come from the fact that no offense to John and Dan. But if we're talking about the bigger David versus Goliath story the. Advantages are producing exciting route -able out tops as opposed to something like advantage dead. And where people are love Sirri. They hate to see her go that way. I mean, I think that if someone like Christian went out when he played his idol, and his I don't know why people would be pissed off about it. So I mean, I don't want to necessarily cry double standard. But I do feel like because you know, some people specifically are not big fans of Dan. They were totally fine with this wealth of advantages coming in right? Exactly. I mean, some of it is definitely being results oriented of. Yeah. Okay. Like, maybe this is a case for advantages because I was excited and happy about how it played out. But I guess I'm just trying to think of would it have been as exciting if it had been a David steam or Goliath steamroll over the David's, I don't necessarily think. So also, I'm realizing I had missed opportunity to yell numbers. While Akiva is trying to answer his question. Much like win Christian because I was trying to think of what happened during the challenges. And if there was anything notable that happened during the rest of the episode, and that was the one thing I pulled from. But no one's gonna remember that long-term the yelling them. I mean, I think it's a good tragedy to jus again. I think this happened in the challenge as well. It just you just sort of try to screw the other team up. But I just seemed to be like a drop in the bucket of everything that happened in this episode eleven. All right. Well, let's let's move on to the final segment of each. And every week you're on the BNB. The question of the week last week's question of the week in honor of the stick twirling that Davey was doing and order to distract the others while Nick and Carl looked for that vote steal what would be the distraction you'd wanna utilize on survivor as per usual. We'll go around the line from the listeners, and we'll also read our own responses that we gave as well. Let me start with an Email. I got from mummy Gaga from RHA BNB gmaiLcom. I would have to sing the arch. BNB theme song as a distraction where Mike and Liana then show at the beach out of nowhere to do the actual BNB. That would be that's like our version of the live show. It's people who have no idea who we are who aren't interested. It's not recorded. That's like being invoked like Beetlejuice like you have to sing our song three times and turn around and we'll like suddenly appear into a show right there. What about that? Would that be like the world's worst? Our reward challenge. You get to hear your a two person like live version of your favorite podcasts on the beach. That's your roar food. I mean, not to to ourselves too much that you get so bored out there like you would wanna listen to you. Listen to want to listen to like car talk as a reward to get away from people. Sometimes sure. Actively excite well because you know, when people like, oh my gosh. This is the best burger I've ever had. Oh my gosh. This is the best NPR episode. I've ever heard exactly your senses dull just from the sense of playing the game. And I guess that includes your ears as well. So Christmas said here's what you do. You get yourself some money clip if dollar Bill in the money clip, then when a guy flashes a blade, you go you want my money, go get it. Then you run the other direction, which is essentially John Mullany sort of approach for dealing with muggers on the street. I yeah. I don't know how you're going to be able to sneak that onto survivor, but he could definitely luxury item is a nice scene note. Right. DJ Lebel client says my perfect survivor distraction. I would give an extended exhaustive theatrical retelling of the iconic Shelley long film troop Beverly Hills. Everyone will be transfixed I promise hashtag. It's cookie time. That's a good idea. I don't know why. But this makes me think of the Beverly Hills wa wa movie, that's the first thing that Jonathan let s connection to every now, Akiva, if someone was trying to distract you by talking through the Star Wars franchise with that people to like satiate your appetite enough while they went to for an advantage. If someone explain Star Wars, and I would just fall asleep. And then I wouldn't I would not find the advantage. Somebody else Trent says my ploy to distract other survivors, just like big, Tom. I would stick a feather in between my clenched cheeks, but the feather would be attached to a live chicken. So essentially trying to saying I'm gonna stick chicken up my, but now a distract people. That would be a brand would have struck people with that would. I don't think I don't think that makes air though. That's a problem. You're doing it for all that work for no reason. Well, I mean, listen if Sandra garnered so much internet negatively for trying to kill the goat. Imagine how much pita would come down on somebody for sticking chicken up there. But as a distraction. Those would be all time tweets from pizzas, you're not getting that money. No, absolutely not. In fact, you have to pay SIA, you're find by CEO, you think people are out there really like wondering like who's going to get the money and sort of hand during the love of animals and sort of being the underdog the emergence strategy. Nah. I think that time pass because time was really the only one who got it who didn't someone else gets Danzig money Jonathan did. But it was also because they didn't see ghost island finale at the times, they didn't know the Donovan to keep his point in my have been just zeitgeist. So they didn't think that it would never make a comeback. I would be playing hardcore for I would be singing songs. I'd be. I'd like I also don't show my face during tribal. I would really be pandering. The Melissa bot says a my distraction will be yoga. I mean, Joe ga and also says shutout to human, Akiva. I didn't is there a robot. Akiva, I don't know. There might be do, you know, if you have a botox count? I do not have anybody counts. Thankfully, no, not yet. Although then maybe I would get verified. I don't know if you have the body we ought to do of bought account. So they're on us. Thanks. So I hope not and are now I'm assuming there's fake Mike were a couple. There was one who was trying to make account for my wife, which was really interesting here. No, I would say that's weird. I'd say that's. The people that separated whatever they want to do with their social media if they want to record a I hate bitches on their Instagram. So be it. No, no, no bitch. Mike does your wife have an opinion on the canon of her situation on the on? My other were actually listening to the dad know at all in the car ride here at she. She was she was a little incredulous about the pronunciation of her name element to that. But she loves you guys. So she'll go along with it. Well that will right. I think the just explain I think it was it was the second time. It's come up, right? That the canon of her name on our podcast is. Yes. Absolutely. And they think it makes her sound more professional as well. So maybe they'll show it'd be like her her stage name it'll be on her business card, even though it's no things about it. Like, a world leader named Angela you think of Angela from the office, that's not tough. But you angle miracle. It's like I don't wanna mess with her. She she doesn't want me the person. But like, actually it's ongoing. I have no doubt that envelope miracle like would always correct people and this many, Android uncle, but with dramatics. But now, that's why you have to become a world leader famous world leader. Then like, you know, if somebody asked how to pronounce your name come on. That's true you become the gold standard than for name. Your name could be like fluidly blurb in and like you can't pronounce it any other way. Now. Yeah. Or, you know, be like Anglo. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry. It's Angela now, you know, that's like that's my wife's gonna have to become president now to supersede ongo out to become the number one Angela pronunciation the world, obviously, the US or German. Well, we can move. Good work on some visas. A Pirker Schindler says I would distract people by whispering. Tony's llama speaking peoples ear. Turks. This only one at a time. You gotta start to hold group. You could yell it. But to go like this. All right like left. Hold on one over. Not sure Azima for this version of the BNB. Hope you enjoyed that little for a all, right? Let's move on John John says if I have to distract people I would lie. I would do like Whoo. With the kids showing some karate moves and spending a coconut on my hands since. No basketball's are available like the Globetrotters. Now is this John John John John already? That's that's actually I think a rule in broach Inc. Also, the before you eat the coconut spin on your hands. I could use some Agean like someone just being distracted by like stewing like Harlem globetrotter tricks. Yeah. And then I don't know who's going to be the Washington generals. But like they just get the whole thing going to the Goliath early the Washington generals at this point in terms of following for it every single time. Elizabeth not to be confused with our Elizabeth says I enjoy living vicariously through my sixth grade, self. So I'd probably bust out. Some cheerleading moves I off my Herkel, a Herkie spirit fingers and Cartwheel's that that's yeah. I mean, that's sort of similar I think in the same vein of what David is trying to do with his like baton twirling, Tai Chi thing that's the basically the stick thirty stick her. Stick fingers. I know. Jonathan Troyer says when waiting quietly identi-, so my try mates might be accustomed to seeing that why my distracting move would be to strike various poses like superhero, supermodel, Kenneth the page, celebrating, etc. So essentially, it's like a version of like a frenetic vogue gang, which was sort of just drop people's I. If you wait loudly does he also dance like must. He be quiet when I win waiting quietly identity. I'm a mentioned what he means by dancing as well as it like shuffling back and forth on your feet, or is it like actual choreography? It's doing moves like the superhero or the supermodel, which I don't know. What those neither do I the superhero supermodel bowl sound pretty generic that really like any, you know, you could really do any sort of pose attributed to a superhero. I'm very white. So that's also how I'd answer finally dancing. He says the best way to distract people from my allies looking for advantages is to dig for an advantage in plain sight, LA Chrissy, Hof back once I'm thrown out of the way, I could either join my allies or running the opposite direction. So it's almost like being the red herring purposely and trying to get people thinking that you're looking for an idol when it turns out that your your allies are actually looking for one. I should like that strategy just start digging random like holes in the beach. Like, I didn't realize there was a dog on our season. I like that just start like digging Raynham holes. I know that on survivor South Africa, someone dug a giant hole, so they were using it as a heating duct or their shelter. So if you come and saying that you're in constructive, come up with some sort of cockamamie construction excuse justify a reason, I think it's good. Absolutely. Well, Akiva, what would your distraction mean to get people to look for the the idol or advantages while the cats were away. All right. So you ask me what my distraction would be. But you didn't give me like when you told me to prepare one thing. Just this. You didn't give the advantage part. So I went into the completely different direction. I was thinking if I was on the show, my overall, general distraction would be that I would make up that I was a billionaire and that like I would just because who wouldn't want to hear stories about like being billionaire? I feel like everyone is asking questions though, I'm about a richer. And then also it's like we'll bring me to the end because I think it's three point one billion. You don't wanna just have one billion dollars? So I have three point one billion dollars. It's like a family thing we own like, Sears or something. Although that would be dollars now. You know? And then it's like bring me to the end. But then you get to be on your like just getting I'm actually a really poor. And then you win like just kidding. I'm actually middle class. That's that's my overall. Well, they can be story time. I mean, I think you know, this can be applied in so many different situations. Right. Because then it's like storytime with Akiva. Let me tell you stories of my three point one million dollars. I don't know what they would be three point one billion. Oh. Seers of the of the Sears Sears. Yes. Sears. Is Weiner ker was was the original name for it. Anyway. So you so you could say like, hey, everybody gathered around why tell you a story about my boat trip with Warren Buffett, and while you were doing that like your allies where the off looking. Everyone who like who was a recruit would be like, oh who's wandering puffing? But then my to to answer your your question of to distract them from finding an idol. I think my my distraction would be just talking about my podcasts all day, and then people would be so bored. They'd walk away from me. And they would be like, oh, great. You went into the woods again. Like, we don't have to hear about his eight five minutes. They would be you're pretty happy with segregate yourself by knowing people by shura podcasts. Sure. But it wouldn't. Because like that's not like so grievous that they're gonna vote you off for being mildly annoying about your podcasts unless you have a real pod hater out there. But I could at least get myself some free time because they'd be thrilled that I wasn't wasn't talking about like and this one episode Mike bloom came on and we liked it a fake cast. You guys know what brand Steelers and there's just none not stop once. It would be. That's what I feel like I could regale people with conversations of all the prints still like let me tell you about a season. We're aunt Patti didn't play her idol. Oh that was the worst movement survivor history. Or do you could just like, hey, guys. Let's play another fake. All right, guys. It's four where like fake season. Twenty three is like, no, no, no. This is with genius Gary everyone from the all, right? All right. We're gonna take a walk on the beach. And then you go find the right? You look at it only feign interest for so long like when you start singing the bang rang song when you're doing your intro for the brand steel that you're playing on the beach with genius characters than really they don't have time for it. All right Liana. What's what's anchorman is literally sleeping during the day. While you're doing what's your distraction Liana, why was just so inspired by our bedtime stories from last week that I feel like telling bedtime stories. It'd be a great way to entertain people. Also, Jordan Kayla sent me something from I think it was from the survivor Facebook page, but it was would love to see Princess beg a lot and K Angelina gone. So they could be a new character along with the other one that we came up with it. I don't remember from this episode so Princess beg. A lot would be the main character of my story that I would tell to distract you hopefully have prince. Beg a lot. We can have her brother Mitchell through ten penny. And then her gorgeous stepbrother Channing Hensley. It's very dramatic. Yeah. So I had a very simple solution. Three. Very concise words close up magic. I feel like there's so many things you do you might not have a deck of cards. But like you could do a lot of stuff with coconut or palm leaves that could distract the eye to be able to just like get people's attention. Even for like, fifteen minutes, the David Blaine of survivor. Mike, just go ahead and do your beach manager and not the Goliath Blaine the David blade. John Hennigan said that dancing is all about misdirection misdirection. Yes. So much now that would be that's something that you can tap on dancing, and in close magic, whatever you said, and plus like that would make me more appealing as an ally. Because like does anyone really wants to vote for a magician to win the game? So like, I feel like much like a key viscera billion dollar lie. I could lie that I'm a magician. And so people would want to bring me to the end. The ultimate goat profession is magician. Anything anyone really wants to vote for magician in the end game because it has to represent your season. You know, you're thinking like this is the winner that represents our season, and we really gonna vote for magician is that it's not a bad point. Although I mean there have been the past. I heard Fabio may the money disappear. I can think of several sports stars also done the same thing. Yeah. Exactly. He's the greatest magician of them all next week question of the week. Alec talked about how it survivor one. Oh, one to never or to never tell someone that you have the idol. So we're going to sort of collectively build a survivor rule. Book much like the Chacho rule book. Give us your own rule you'd like to enter into the class syllabus for survivor one one. So it can be anything from survivor history can beat something generic. It'd be something completely specific we'll sort of build them out next week with our guest. Jessica lease. We'll becoming on to talk about the double episode of survivor, David versus Goliath. You have a bunch of ways you can reach out to us with this information. You can always tweet it to us using hashtag RHA P B and B you can post on as a website dot com. You can post on broth has awesome patriot's Facebook group, you have a bunch of ways to reach out to us. You can Email us RHA P, B, N, B edgy, mail dot com. Tom, and we actually have a bit of a lesson or mail. I wanna go through here. 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Akiva, Nita podcast you want to explain it briefly. And what you guys have been doing. Sure. Rob sister, Nino was on survivor six and eight and then he started a podcast network. You're listening to one of the shows on anyway, Robin. I we couldn't think of a podcast idea after we watched one hundred eighty episodes, the Seinfeld. So people send the podcast ideas every week, and then we spend a magical wheel, and whatever the wheel turns up. We do that podcast this week. We became Harry Potter experts in previous weeks. We've announced the football video game. We've what else have we done? We sometimes watching TV show. We watched the movie leprechaun, whatever people want us to do. We are their servant, and we will do it. So we're at eleven zones in and there's definitely gonna be at least three or four more. So people listening, and they could find me on Twitter at kief K, E twenty-six, actually speaking in this actually was just complete synergy because we've found this out after Akiva got booked on the BNB, but speaking of the brain steals, the might serve as a distraction. I'll actually be appearing on. On this coming week do a brand sealed through the top fifty TV characters which is shorter be. Hopefully, very insane. Yeah. Seriously. Check it out if you haven't it's just it's so much fun random, which I think fits my emo- so very enjoyable, and I'm looking forward to this brand seal are really on a you have to what's your thing. Like, I could we get you on with your people are always pitching themselves or like their favorite host. But what how could we get you? What would be your thing? And don't say something like scienc- because Robin. 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Angelina Keeley: Survivor Post Game Interview

Rob Has a Podcast

2:10:01 hr | 1 year ago

Angelina Keeley: Survivor Post Game Interview

"Hey, what's going on Rob's back here? And we are very excited for our probably our final interview here of survivor, David versus Goliath because we are going to be speaking with the iconic Angelina here today on the podcast. And so we're very excited about that. But first, let me say Hello to another icon, Nicole sister, Nicole. How are you? Iconex? Yes. Always iconic Nicole, the survivor thirty eight pre season is here and Josh Wigley has gone ahead. And just dropped all of I one out on everybody here for the first time in I went out history that we've done it this way, I thought thirty eight was last season. Nope. That was thirty seven. Yeah. That was very confused when I saw my Twitter, this is thirty eight, and I guess the listeners negotiated for Josh wiggle her to give extra I one out. All right up front at the start of the preseason. How are we going to get anything done? I don't know. But that's all available for you guys up on the website in the podcast feed. 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Thank you so much a leave you to your Rossi's while I'm going to speak with Angelina put them on now already. I'm very excited to bring in our guest today that we've been waiting for this. And we're so excited that this day is finally here because we are going to speak with a woman who was at the center of so many things. Here in survivor, David versus Goliath, please welcome to the podcast, the great, Ainsley and akili Angelina. How are you? Jab your T generous. I think by now since it's February it's gonna be Angelina. Never never Angelina who. Here. Yeah. I'm I'm excited to be talking long overdue almost honestly didn't even do and a retrospective. Because I was excited just and wrap things up and move on. But I'm really glad that we're sitting down in through things. Okay. Great. And we're gonna talk about a bunch of stuff. I have a lot of questions from the listeners, and we can talk about everything that you want to get into when you say that you didn't want to do a ton of retrospectives and look back does that come from. Where were you happy with the way that ultimately turn out or was this a tough journey for you this whole survivor process? So I think I think at a season level. I was happy the season was so exciting and was well received by ends from you're getting my hand had on like I excited to watch it back, and I love the twist and turns and is a dynamic cast. And it was all things that you'd want from a good season. Personal perspective though. Yeah, it was super tough to watch back. I think you know, I I don't think I realized the power of storytelling and at it until watching this season back. And there are just so many aspects of it that were hard to see because things were intentionally out words her change. And so it just it was like every episode was like, oh, man. I wish they would have showed this wouldn't have show. This this way, I think everyone has a semblance of that thing. But for me, what it translated to was a ton of negativity. Online people come in after me, you people threatening me like an I wasn't anticipating because I've never experienced anything like that in my life. And adding on top of like having my husband deployed at the same time. And so is it was just a lot at once. It. It was really hard. And there was some really updates for. Sure. I know that you know, 'cause I've been there in terms of getting a lot of feedback at one time and not necessarily from the survivor, but from from doing the podcast, and so I'm sure it's amplified actually being on the show. But I feel like that while I'm sure that there were negative things that were that were being said, and so those we hear them the loudest did the all the positive things that you heard a balance that out in any way, more than balanced it out like a an cheer pointed thing, we as humans have negativity bias where we'll route one hundred things and see one bad thing, and the bad thing that sticks to that story. And and that's just Howard brains are wired, unfortunately, but I I tried my best to fight against that inclination. And instead, I got energy from the positivity and from the people who were supporting in because not too I was planning for and that's who. You gave me energy and gave me life. And so I literally I went on like a hiatus from reading any comments reading any media or listening. And instead, I just kind of catch my world and for the most part people who came into it. Whether it be comments or messages or tweets were, so lovely so supportive so excited to see someone like me on the show. And so those are the people that I latched onto and off for and made me kind of get through those hard days. And honestly, it was a few young girls elementary school middle school who likes some wrote me letters sent me messages. Their parents would send me messages for them on their behalf saying like, you're my role model. I wanna be more like you. I wanna play survivor like you and for to see that to hear that in again like that washes out any negative inside. I saw I think that really the really nice thing to see is. I think that whether people thought that okay, I love how you played. Issues with how you play. I think that you raised a lot of issues that I think that because we had somebody saying those things that I think that they for for for all women. I think that they're positive to be having those conversations. In or outside the game of survivor Inc. You. Yeah. And that's that was one of the silver linings for sure for me. I find that the game since pretty much college have considered myself, very, politically, active, definitely a women's activists. And I fight for this my real life, and the broader sense and should ring a part about into the game. And obviously survivor in finding idols and things like that are not as consequential as like getting equal pay in real life. There is a linkage and there is a connection between. How can we advance the state of not just women minorities like name it? And I think in real life is Reverend there's still a lot of river growth. And so to bring a little bit of attention to that into the show, and maybe raise a little bit awareness there that is worth is winning mold? And you were even somebody that Jeff Probst talked about this was with Dalton. Late in the season that he was asked about the who should come back from this cast. And he said that it's Angelina. He cited you know, sort of like that impact that you had. I mean, how does that feel? I I mean, I was an honor to hear not that. I think he's crazy. I mean, there's so many characters on the season like me. No, like amok, Christian Natalie Daviel you name it. You can go down the line literally any one of these cast members could return and be like a phenomenal second time player. I think maybe the reason he chose me is because you don't feel like people like me on the show in back. They almost had a casting who's no longer the head casting literally did not want to get me to come to finals has. She said we don't want cast some woman in her twenties who's married to our formula. It's only been done one other time, I believe I'm Whitney. And she was the one who didn't say that. She was married at end up having. They had a good track record with that. What is being married me? Literally Whitney was the percent woman in her twenties percent player who was married when on the show, and so I didn't into that formula. And what happened was McKesson person actually around the of casting showed my stop to Japan. He said, why don't we brought her injuring her, and I had a special round of casting release affor- every Fiji, and it was just a two-day special session for me and one one in done interview in front of everyone in earth's end. And that's how I am show. So it was very last night. I was the second to Lasker designed eighty should be cast for the season. And so I think part of maybe why Jeff it was a little bit excited by me in whatever presented character is just because you know, you don't you don't see a lot of people like me yet. But I think that might change because I think I did bring a bit of a different voice in a different flavor to the game. And a lot of the twists and turns that happened that made this season exciting crazy him for me genetic that being the case I thought I would be boring. I don't think that. A really great casting choice, and for whatever limiting ideas, they had about not having you. I think that they were definitely proven wrong about that. Because that not only are you incredibly outspoken, which is great for for being on the show. We'll buy that. There was no you were always had a strong opinion about every single thing that happened and people had strong reactions to you on the tribe, which is always gonna be for gold on the worst thing. Anybody can be on any of these shows sort of unappreciated and people don't have a reaction to them. And that goes for the people that are on the island and for the people at home. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you. So it was a joy to get to watch you all throughout the season. You know, I had heard about you before you even played because that we have a mutual friend in Adam Klein, and we were going to go to Reno in the spring, right? When you guys we're gonna play, and he was he was very excited about you. And he said my friend is going to be on the season. And she is going to be great. You send him like when you try to you did to get Adam Adam is one of my best friends. He was one of my closest friends, but we're going on the show. And now that we've been on the other side going through the journey and having him as a support brought us even closer to the outer we met each her originally at Stanford. He was a couple of years behind me. But he actually took my best friend to tour guide prom, which oh. From superfund. Actually, a blast because all the tour guide succeed outgoing and crazy and every it's like their annual celebration in they have to take someone else for guidance. So he took my best friend at that time. I met him and an after school. We ended up doing some work with the nonprofit that he was working or to kind of bring millennials into thinking about how to end homelessness in the bay area and unique skill set to that. And yet so we got close closer than and saving touching twin his season came on. I was just so excited for him in his actually the first season that I've ever watched. And I'm I it might survivor kind of journey has been so funny because my family are day one fans show has been on my TV since I was eleven every week it get together at you're in there. You're on my living room, Judy, Robin. I was the outcast who would walk by be like, I don't understand this show. It looks so ridiculous. People just run around island on camera playing these challenges like I just didn't get it. And I never bay that a shot until Adam was on it. And then I actually I remember after the first episode called my mom, and I said I get enough. I'm so sorry that I've ridiculed you all for like so many years like this shows magic. You know, it's so enticing and interesting. And and so after Adam was on it. I just became a really enjoy it and would watch episodes in my free time in ended up watching over twenty seasons years. Yeah. Is that almost is it too much to take all that in a short amount of time where that it. Does it starts to lose its impact because they all just blurred together. No, I I mean, I'm don't don't get me wrong. I'm not one of those people who can like call. Specific instances. But like the cool part about watching it all and such a tight timeframe was that I was able to kinda see an evolution. Because at first I was just watching it back from present day backwards, and and you see the game of ball in reverse order. And so that was kind of a cool thing because I could pick up on things of just small changes over time and battles of the game. So I really enjoyed that. And and I wasn't watching the I for oh, if I play Wedneday, it was just it just really captivated me on a personal level on it was it was something fun to watch you after a long day at work or something like that. When they first contacted you in the story that you know, that I've heard anecdotally is that be that somebody in casting was going was looking on Adams page, and they and they found you, and they reached out to you was there any sort of trepidation of do. I want to go and play on survivor. That asian. No, I mean, so yes, it was a complete surprise in the store that you've heard is is accurate. I got a message on Facebook from the casting agent. And on said, hey, we found you on his friends on his friends list. You're really interesting. Thank you could be on show. And and then actually a doctor adamant apparently they have found re women from his Facebook friends because they were looking for like a quote, unquote. Not my words, there's Ivy league attractive women. And and so an atom gave them a glowing review of me and said you have to you have to cast like without a doubt of a loss about it was a huge endorsement coming from him. And I'm so over that. But yeah, I want to start talking to them. Like, the adventurous said me, the competitive side of me was like no hesitations like, this is crazy. And so kind of out of the hat that I thought I would have in life. But I'm a big proponent of like veering from the forest when it feels right and everything in my instincts in God, always. He said this deal. This is crazy, but who'll giant okay wanna get into talking about some of the things from your game. But let me just ask you about the David versus Goliath theme because I've watched this back a bunch of times in in that first episode when everybody is getting onto the mat to start the game that they show you talking about how you you pity for the other tribe because there's they seem so pathetic. It's like, oh aren't they adorable like we have all of the the best people on this tribe? And you seem like they're struggling getting out of the bow. You you feel bad for them to be the day. Yes. That being seen the very first scene of me is completely fabricated. Yes. Fabricated an eye Saturday. I know on this show, they show that I have a tendency to hiker belies, I've not here. They showed me laughing at a moment when we were laughing about something completely Christian had been talking and made a really charming funny joke typical Christian and I start laughing. And if you look at the scene closely, you see Alison Natalia, also laughing. So I was never laughing at them. I was never mocking them. I never underestimated them. All I said was our tribe. Is stocked? And it seems like it's a little bit not and. Fair and unfair. Yeah. And they said that because anyone you've I you want you're starting to do. Well, so then you don't have to go to travel and that you can last a little bit longer than the game and get to the next step. But yes, Sadat opening scene actually really made me nervous for the longer arc of the season. Obviously, I knew that. I was making it to the last episode in to the end until like, oh, man. This does not bode well for my edit like I'm going to be the girl that they want to make out to be spilling into be hockey to be you know, wish you instant all of that. And yes, seeing that opening seem just really been nervous. I actually had to tell my family when I saw it. I was like guys like this. I'm gonna be I'm the villain. Like, I'm definitely the Bill in and I told him I was like I was not laughing at them. Because like my dad has always been like, you never underestimate your opponents. You always stay humble. And like that's ingrained in me. And that is who I am as you see that. And to see a kind of the the script flipped a bit at all my gosh. Like this along you. Did you? Not love the idea of being an avatar for the goliaths to sort of open things up where you know, they show a couple of different people talking about it. And certainly like you have John who really embraces it and Natalie really embrace it. But it seems like you did not we're not comfortable with that idea of being seen as sort of one of the figureheads of the goliaths. I think that's super spot on for me. And this does not come through it all on the season in Alex plane. But like, I I'm not a glut of like, I did not rope Goliath. I very much several David, you know, what I didn't talk about my upbringing much in casting because my family actually asked me to to not they said, you know, we don't there a little bit more private. They didn't wanna put, you know, everything on blast like that especially in public television. And and so in my casting, I just talked a lot about were present day Moreland kinda post college and host college. Yeah. Like my resume screams glide, I guess, but I think the down maybe maybe technically, I am quote, unquote, a Goliath now, but definitely have imposter syndrome where I'm like, well, if I am glad like I've only been that for maybe eight years, maybe seven years, but the majority of my life in my entire upbringing like. Yacht. Like, you know, American dream a little bit for my parents. They came from very little dot to a more comfortable lies, but still erase struggles. And parents got divorced John with that. And just yes. From a financial perspective from an emotional perspective, all of that mortgage scene and a group in sparks Nevada. Smaller town, most people don't go to college. There is just again, everything that you see kinda post twenty one twenty plus Angelina might say, okay for sure light. But like raise the David how mindset of David even though maybe I have the confidence now of Goliath. I'm so it was complicated for me. And I think their view of us who were like that like, I know Natalie very much the same like Jeffrey came from David background. Although a glide now in every way, and so the theme really not sit. Well with me because I was like this isn't Xioaming truly run an. And I think again the editing show. But the reason I was able to get so quickly with David is because I related to them so much more on a very kind of generational Emilio level that they felt more like home Carl and Davey and Nick felt more like home and felt more. Like the way that I was raised. Listen wonder how they were raised in things they've gone through than it was for like CARA. Alec Alison another's. Yep. I certainly understand that. And I think I would probably feel the same way. But I think and I don't remember exactly where I heard this explanation of it. I think that maybe it's either in one of the Jeff interviews from or early on in the season or that. He maybe he says this, but in terms of like when people walk into the room with the day bids, and the Goliath, I think the idea was that the Goliath as soon as you know, in five seconds. Okay. You get why that person is Goliath like you don't need to hear their backstory, whereas with the dangerous it was a little bit more. Okay. Well, why? And it's like they have the what is their secret advantage as opposed to the goliaths who may have more of the outward advantage where you sort of pick up on it immediately. You know, want this person brings to the table. Yeah. Let's get right to towards life and thinking about how I approach anything is definitely more in the Goliath mindset. Like, I am. I'm an optimist. I am confident Hussain I am someone who's willing to take risks. And I just feel comfortable in all situations. I think that that's more of a lie entity. I get that. And not make sense to me. But I think there's a lot of nuances within the theme within every single one of us that, you know, it's not sure if they're cutting, of course, you know, it's reality TV. So you can always get into the let's talk about such a big icon ick moment not just in this season. But in survivor history, but I need to talk to you about the jacket, and let's listen to that clip. Just one more time. Jacket and. What is it like to have have a moment that it is going to live on for a very long time. Because that did you think about it in those terms like as it was happening the next morning and stuff like that. I was thinking about those cold as hell trying to check out. A lot of people pay vortex can relate. I know shadow to everyone in Chicago and elsewhere feel for them. No. Yeah. I in the moment. That's the funny thing about survivors. Like in the moment, you're not if you're planning a game where you're being president. And really just you're not thinking about how it's going to be on TV. You really can't get wrapped up in that. And it's just it's it's just another thing. You gotta ask your plate. So you don't think about that? And a. Hey, I think him the host in the after the Bonaly shell reunion. Yeah. You you get you get wrapped up in the moment. You don't realize how could look and how it's going to all play back in in the moment that didn't feel as wild or conic. I guess I don't mean that you know. The other people's words, not mine. But. It was ridiculous. The whole thing is just crazy. If I could do it again, I would not have asked Alan for jacket because I think is the beginning kind of a snowball effect for me that was not good for me or perception amongst others. But honestly, I just I wasn't sleeping at night. It was freezing cold anything. Other people have noted like it was raining pretty much two weeks of the season. In a lot of it wasn't night in our shelters were not waterproof like especially with the amount of rain. We had like sherline is like Chinese water was like having through the top. And. Jimmy, Mike would sleep on the beach in life next people. There's a didn't want coffin was like. It was like a lesser should call. It was like a cop and sleep alone in an iniquitous kinda wrap up in his weird lawyer jacket, and why is it a weird jacket? Jacket. Like, you said he was in social worker. Because you see someone you're just like in the jungle, and you're so Ron residencies someone in like, professional jackets is so out of place. It's weird. It was just you know, it's just out of place. So. I think it's interesting that you said that if you had to do it over again, you wouldn't have done it, and it became such such a big moment. And I feel like that. So many of these survivor players would you know, what what bodily organ would they not give up to have a moment. Like that that gets played over and over again, is is the reason why you wouldn't do it again was because you felt like that it had some sort of a long-term ramification on the game or because of the perception that people had about you after it happened book, but mostly because. And the game. I mean. I think looking back on it. I was playing too hard too fast between what do you might Erin? A bit way to get Jeremy out instead of Natalie in the first, and then impounding dot with this whole jacket, and again, it it just started to create a theme. I think of knee being a little shy St. penned of willing to do whatever it takes. Again. It's like I could go back in explain everything. I was thinking for all of those news. But when I kind of saw the ripple effect that had in terms of how people were seeing me, especially Nicon might. And then compounding that with all the Elizabeth's deficit, you kind of see. The damage that thing that things like this do and so that's why say wouldn't have done it again. But in the moment, it's like I was going off. The fact that Natalie actually told me after we got Jeremy how she was like she was Mavericks, Jeremy Astrum for her jacket before that russillo. Tribal in it's shown in a secret seen on CBS just listened. And he took a lot of affection that cashews like, that's so rude. Like, here's this copy guy saying like, you know, it's uses like can have your jacket were we go to try and Bill and soon moved up back. She actually told me like in for or helping you know this vote happening in. So it wasn't me. And she said if I ever did leave, I would I would Lima jacket you answer that little nugget. It was very similar to kind of happen with Sarah Lucinda in Sierra. Where's your abide leave? I'm going to. Well, this legacy to you. Yeah. As it was like, okay. I had that nugget in my hand. And I was like, okay. Well, you know, if the timing's right in I'm not gonna get Natalie out just for jacket, but if it's like, she's going anyways. And if I could get her jacket, you then she's already said that she would give it to me. So that was something that wasn't shown that was a really critical piece of information. Because again, I wouldn't have made decreasing new powder. Not off. There was a small chance of getting it. But I always knew it was very unlikely in a bit of a man shot to try to get it by or not sleeping that to me. It could have changed my game in the sense of better sleep, you know, run-up go many things and in such an advantage in that way. And I just haven't been water that was wet mount perpetual. And so, yeah, that's that's that's where it all came from. But again seeing it back and seeing snowball in the way that the tide is kind of after that, it definitely was not worth it. But that's why I did it. No, one of the things. I was always confused about was in the episode. We see you talking. Being with Natalie about the Lisa jacket was that just when you just trying to just plant that seed in her head again, a boy, I could really use a jacket. Hint hint hint. And then when she's going to get voted out. Then pop the question of can I get the jacket? So not going back when I'm really was not going after knowledge. So what happened is we give back from that shallan JR. And something that wasn't shown that was really critical at community challenge. Not only mine when. And right before we started the challenge, we were kind of doing a one minute strategizing and not leave was really adamant on being the first one at try snake hustle at the end, and might basically shut her down and said, no, you're not doing it. You didn't get the last puzzle. When you were on it with Allison, you're doing it. And so that really rubbed the wrong way in our for obvious reasons, and she was so upset by that. She didn't even wanna touch this as love the end. And so as we're in the middle of the challenge live those to start yelling at each other essentially, and he's like wool revolt try to try and she's like not not do it. And it was a pretty big blow really surprised actually didn't get shown because it was contentious. But what happened was we get back and Mike was really pissed about that. And he just had had enough with Neilly at that one is kind of his breaking point thing. And what I quickly realized from just taking temperature was that Mike was done with her done playing with her, Nick. Obviously Nick in. There have been rubbed the wrong way from those few days with her for me. I actually got a really good relationship with Natalie quite a lot on along pretty well. A couple minutes a couple times when it's like, you know, she told me that my, but my big butts younger will barrel race, even though I'm up as Wyndham unity cheese, like home. It's like. It's like home. It's like that. Where you're like, why are you saying this to me like this is not out onto your day a relationship, but you kind of laugh at our? And so it's like it just to me it was it was kind of written in the stars about point that I couldn't put my neck out two times in a row for her in. So I had to go with the winds. And I knew that I kind of look at the broader numbers in thought that if if not least around and out, and I was thinking on this losing a gun hash. Don't you? Beni means champion, but I'll show means. And so I just was kind of playing a larger numbers net. Natalia had already gone. I I knew that it now that got out that we were tied up with Elias and David across the board seven seven Jones. And and so to me it was kind of broader assurance I need. Mike was far enough to not go into the merge losing the glide majority inside felt like okay, Natalie out in that gives me a little bit of cover the next time. They lose for it to be a David. And so there were a lot of rationale for it. But essentially, the Lear jacket comment was genuine at that. When we were kind of bantering because I was like kind of what Natalie I did was like, you know, joke around or whatever. But then when I started to see that the tights were really strong for Natalie. I went back to her. I really want a jacket, and I kinda should go to bat for me. And she did it almost solidified that Nick Wanner out because she was asking for his really direct way and just created this bit of a stir around Kampen on a on a tribal day. Having a survey camp is actually good thing. Because it it can keep the targeted where the target supposed to be than that is good cover that the winds won't shift towards you. How's your relationship with Natalie? No after the season. On it is. We talk. I I really hear about her and have a lot of respect for her. I think we had to talk to your friends on this side, you know, in the real world side. I think I think we're good now a force in Michigan speak from her side. But remind perspective, I think, we're good. We're not best friends by any means. We don't talk all the time. But we do have a cordial relationship. And I I love lady have so much respect for her. So hopefully in time, maybe we can rebuild it. But when things like that happen on TV, sometimes it can be hard on the other side. And she just don't like the move was very in authentic and manipulative in. I don't blame her for that. You know, looking back on it. It does look that way. The truth is that I was really sad that she was leaving. Right. So it only thing that was about my reaction. Was acting surprised obviously, I wasn't surprised anywhere. The votes for. Regarding and I acted like I went with her for. Yes. Yes. For anything that if he I mean, you did you vote it you didn't even vote against her. I mean why I mean, what could you do that? If if Mike white decides, hey, I'm voting out Natalie at this tribal council. I mean what what are you supposed to do? Yeah. Exactly. But I think you know, she she didn't like that. I did like the whole charade at the end of of being satisfied. Gary. I get it. Yet, but much, but the truth is that there was a part of me that was genuinely sad to see her go because she was someone who I really liked and who I saw struggle out there with relationships with being understood and related to that a little bit. And I just. Are just really enjoyed her even rep edges in all. But in Sony, you know, it's complicated with any of these relationships in any of these votes, it's like it's complicated than so again when an advantage over, but my first plan, actually Jackie gate. One point now was just getting everyone to leave our coats in the dry box with would before China's commerce like it's gonna rain. We don't wanna get all our clothes wet like we should leave on here. And that was good to go for like an hour. And then the paranoia started to spread and everyone snatched up their close, but we're no he was a symbol plane efforts. And then it got really complicated when when that change so we'll fail of you. Look like that Natalie was going to be the first person that was voted out of the Goliath tribe. And you from what I understand about the season were really a key component in getting Natalie to stay the first time, you guys went to the tribal council that Jerry. Yeah. It was it was one of the situations where law group thing was going on. And really, oh, yeah. We're we're just gonna get that Leah liking. She ago anti the wrong way, a few others and not was the quote unquote, easy boat. And my mindset is why go for the quote, unquote, easy. But when you can get some out that might be a bigger threat longer term and someone who you don't trust. And I trust Jeremy less than Natalie. And and so for me, I had heard a little bit of rumblings of Jeremy just around, you know, he'd been throwing Allison's name and a few others. And and so I was able to kind of take that momentum and push it. But, you know, just because I was the driver all of these are all these is everything about his collaborative. Right. So you can go back and say, oh that was Angelina soda. You know, it's like different people play a different role. And I was definitely the driver in that situation. But again, lots of collaborators and you can say that about any of the votes in. I think that is a test to the progression of the game where the people who are being cast that there's very few followers. There's a lot of leaders. There's a lot of smart people. We're going to bring their own strategy and players of the game. And I think at every boat during our season you see that there's agency within everyone. I I don't think there are any goats in the game others might disagree. But for me that was the fascinating part about our game. Is that our season is at every boat or multiple people who you can point to you as homequote leading because there's multiple leaders at the table for all these votes. So when you talk about there being no goats in the game. Were you feeling at all like when you went to that final tribal council that you had a fighting shot to get the votes in the end or did you feel like that? This was going to be a real uphill climb for you and not even willing really ladder. No adar's. Yeah. No, no, articles huge hook line. And I mean, I was finding some of that. I I was aware of that perception pretty much actor, Elizabeth latch that. My message for capital had drought. Had plu limited by the stock. I'd be like a pace, you know. Can buy cheap, and then hopefully value increased overtime eighty degrees limited time, but not enough to get me over the hump. And so yeah, I going into that final tribal. My mindset was to just be honest to be fair to be gracious and into articulate what I thought were my strengths, but not oversell. And I think I did a good job of not overselling at the end of being balanced, but at the same time, I think I might have. Kind of overcorrected event because at the beginning of final tribal John who was someone I was really close to in the game. Try to give me a bit of a heads up that there was a perception of me as maybe being in authentic, or I think political was the termer just always kind of being like can being overly articulate and things like that. And and he just wanted to give me a chance to defend myself in explain myself before we even wash into a lot of the questions, vinyl tribal. And I I think John had good intentions in telling me that and letting me speak to that. But I think what it ended up doing was gonna be myself. It may be a second. Guess what I was saying how I was saying at China, you can't hesitate. You've got just own it. And and just speak how you speak in all of that. And so I think I took my foot off the pedal a little bit, especially after hearing from John it did make me feel like oh, man. I've got. A shot in hell of getting any boats? And so again, I just wanted to drop my game. An affair and honest way. And I think I I did that. But I don't think I took enough ownership, and I don't think I spoke up enough or even push back enough on in Mike for certain comments made towards in my game because I was just oh focused on on ending in a classy way. Especially some some of the moves were not glassy. Do you feel like there's one thing that you wish you would have said that you thought of after the fact. Yes. Yeah. Several things and to be honest like. There. There were things that could have said. For example, Nick. Definitely gonna bus when he tells estrin to embarrass her which is not the entire truth. I think it's much more complicated to them that we can get in. So we'll talk about all that stuff. Yeah. We'll get there. But I could have said things that Nick had said to me privately at what have urine teed almost four people not voting for him. But that's not what I wanted to do. I I didn't wanna start playing to protect him. I didn't want to start throwing anyone under the bus for the things they said about others. And so yeah. So that's an example. There are a few things Mike said again that I have it just it's not what I wanted to do not gonna wanna do now. But it's like, you you you find this works in the road in. It's like I wanna do this term long do that. And I made medicines. And I'll stick with them. Did you feel at all that being the person who was taken to the end hurt you at all because I know that people that were in that position in these last couple seasons like laurel? Or like Ryan felt like that in a way that that really made them look weaker in front of the jury hundred and ten percent. Yeah. I thought a lot about this. I actually think with fire. Making twist and kind of a word of caution to all future players are people who are thinking about playing never be the person who's taken to the end. I was actually so close to making a unique. Move at the end right after Nick announced that I was the one he wanted to take the final three. I was actually still in that very moment considering making this new, and I just just didn't didn't do didn't take that step forward. Unfortunately, hesitated. The first time playing conservatively at the very end. But what I really wanted to do was to say thank unit. But actually, I watch go to fire. So jeff. Know, I don't know what that means that we re people at Byron the talk to you make it or gains in issues a someone else or that. I choose someone else like, but I was going to open that can of worms and see where the game went. But essentially, I think actually like Brennan laurel said it puts you in a perceptive week physician even as truth. And and yet it just takes away agency an agency so important to express at the end. And so, yeah, I don't think being getting to the end is is all Scott to be. I mean, you guarantee yourself eighty five thousand dollars as though, but you don't go out Sony. So there's pros and cons. So I wonder if so Nick says, okay, Jeff, I wanna take Angeline. It's the Kenya declined that invitation because I mean, he won the challenge he wanted me Hannity, and so that I mean, he does get the privilege of getting to to make that pick. But if you if you refuse the safety that is. Interesting interpretive can decline it. Because I I'm telling you I was so close to making this new by. How would that our interviews that day like the producers hadn't told me exactly what would happen? They said that if I presented that off that that choice to Java. He would let me know what happens on. So it is unprecedented. We would have to find out when it happens real. But I I was actually practicing fire. When no one was around, even though I didn't really need to really confident in my fire making I was pretty much on Giradi. I was the the key buyer maker in actually props to not only because she's the one who taught me fire at the beginning of the days, and she did make a few fires she, but she really taught me, and then I just kept practicing. And then after Carl left at the merge supreme much that last whatever that was quite long almost two weeks. Maybe I was buyer almost every day out may some has today even in. So I felt good about that. But yet unprecedented. We don't know what jeopardy decided to do. But I'm sure that they they must have a game plan. If that happens, but I think you are allowed to decline, and I would assume that that would my guess would be that Nick would have to choose someone else. I don't think it would automatically give me power to light the stove that on someone else. I don't think it's transferable. But I I think that probably Hewitt either. She's announcement of all of us declined. It my best guess would be that Austria of we're gonna buy her and to you on. Okay. I guess hopefully, survivors stays on the air long enough that we get to see somebody do that. Yeah. I ever played again was in a situation. I would actually go that path. But definitely not commensurate teacher players to consider doing too. Well, if I ever play the Guinea Angelina, I would say about I will gladly take the spot in the final three. Get that eighty five. The fire to save my life. No. You would be surprised this practice. Muscle memory. Do it wants to have the muscle memory. Next up in LA. Actually took the plane on the last day. I'd have the Flynn from from the cow Callo. So I can bring that in a machete, and we'll we'll make some fire took. Now, you mentioned that the whole thing with Allison the idol could you talk that through for us because it sounds like that there is a little bit of a difference in how was perceived and what you were intending. Yes. So I mean, so let me. Yeah. So let me start there. And then I'll back up and say what I would've thought would've been better move. And that was when I was considering but bent the Jew, so. Yeah. So with Allison might might number one intention was chew heat. Maxine I was being completely loyal to Jamaica, Nick up for better or worse. But I was being loyal to them as a final three for quite some time after the Lebanon. Visit I was in her final four with those two n d obviously, you know, we can talk about Davey and a little bit team. But. Thing is kind of shifted with eighty NFL that he was wanting to take care of further than me. Like, you just wanna take me then I can't wanna take him in. So anyway, as been willing to to I wanted to go to the end with them because I felt like offering have played such different things that each of us could speak to our strengths. And differentiate because in business it's like that's the key to to winning customers is differentiating and being unique against your senators. And it's the same thing on the game. You don't wanna sit next to chew people could make similar cases remorse in our case. Maybe just articulated better any get that Bove. Instead. So anyhow really wanted to keep my faith knicker had immunity, and I knew that Allison akara one to over me. And that was confirmed. I think else in that sense and everything and inserting guys go insulin. Wasn't in trouble of incite. No. Like, I I knew those wanted me out. I think at that point Mike wanted to go to the end with Allison and Keira and so had not being entity idle, it would have been again because information was spread than you. I had it. Of course, I didn't get any boats at tribal, but it was just a little back story. So the reason that I wanted to play the idol is because our there's else in final Kyle is because I knew that. At issue. I had it the real thing that might be the next one on her list. I think she thought she could be Keira. And I knew that she would take my doubt if that was really other option. And so that's why I played it or made it is because I wanted her to he going after me, and of course, I wanted to play accurately too. So that was the true intention. The secondary thing there is that an unite talk about this during our very conversation right after the finale, rob. But the secondary thing is that there was a bit of a an ongoing battle between. Allison, I I always acquitted it to should Jane, Adam and their rivalry because it was a rivalry. That was based off of light love and respect for each other and friendship, but also like we're not always on the same page of the same team or seeing eye to eye, but I respected the hell out of the girl. And she was signed great game a game that they didn't show him up as she mentions in her exit interview with you, and and so. So for me, it was like, okay. This is an end date to this epic power struggle and battle that we've been having all season. We started off as really good friends. You know, she kind of stab me in the back. You know, each Uber j like one hundred the Shakespeare thing is and I was kinda scorned but wanted to work with our run, then it was like we were back to square one. You know, she was gonna going after me out some after her in super meat was like the ending to that struggle. And I wasn't trying to be militias. I think it actually came off that way in TBN, the edit and everything in that unfortunate. But it really was born in a place of just wanting to respect the battle in the game that we call herself is so cheesy, but we called each other like warrior, Princess, we're Barry overplaying like princesses. Unlike it's so funny to say that now, but that's where it came from. And then on a slight level. Yeah. I was still hurt from her. Kind of coming at me emergency singer management. And you know, sitting there was a contingency plan. Those words added up in definitely hurt especially because I haven't done anything to cross her. I really did love and like in entrust her in. So I decided like out left out in the cold by so many, and it hurt more Allison because she wasn't early or scenario early trusted in went to on holidays. And so two there was a little bit of a tiny bit of vengeance in it. But again, they really took that small sliver on blew it up to be the whole thing. But yet so that was really weird I'll came from. But if I were to do it again would not have done a fake idol. I think again, it's going back to the snowball in only added to this perception of entering this conniving untrustworthy and mean, and I I didn't see myself that way at all. But in survivor perception is reality so had had done it again wouldn't have done it. Actually, the other move. I was considering die again. Looking back wish I would have done was at the final six. I knew that there were. And I knew that they were going to be three bucks for Alison two votes. Minnow remotes Dedi. She goes for Allison on and I was the fourth vote for dating or I could have voted for Allison an played my idol for Dabie. Some that didn't happen split though and rebuilt. Save davey. Allison, go home play the idol correctly. Maybe eighty to be back on a team with me an have some loyalty. And then I think David Nick were smart enough to know that it couldn't go to the together. So Dr alleged through them, and then be able to tell that story at the end about really navigating and being creative in that way. But you look back on coulda woulda shoulda. I don't on it. But that was the alternative move that I probably probably would serve me in my name better than to do. They got all of that. Do you feel that that's something that could've you shifted the tide enough to put you over the top? I mean, I think it depends on who was at the end writing. I think if I done that and then who play that scenario out a little bit. So maybe than it's me baby, Nick CARA and Mike. You know, the thing is like who knows? Like, I don't know. It's hard to take because I'm what would have happened like it just wouldn't have been a completely different endgame. It would have been different players me gave what want immunity who knows maybe David would have been at the end of one may still want. You don't there with with two David's, then maybe then the Goliath votes that Mike gets the goliaths vote for you in the end, you know. Yeah. And so all I know is that it would have been perceived better. I think that would have been perceived better. But you know, maybe that means that I would have gone out next. Again, you never even never know. But again, I think just in terms of impact and the the station factor. I think that would serve me better at the time. But again, everything's clear in hindsight. So you you can't change things now. So I don't lose sleep over it. Just kind of some insight into into some of the mid sized considering Alan would have been better create another big moment in the season. You mentioned a couple of times is when you talk to Elizabeth at the merge about what an correct me if I'm wrong, but you were alternately trying to curry some favor there at the at the end right win. She was going out is that is that correct? And then sort of like as you say snowballed only flatly, correct? So again, this is an beam its I'm they showed one slice one piece of mind decision making and make that whole piece. And so the Elizabeth situation is actually something I'm really excited to talk about in clear up because there's so much more. Than my shown. Okay. So with Elizabeth, and I explain this in your after she left. I said me telling her was sixty percent knee feeling bad for her. And wanting someone else out notes are fifty percent me feeling bad for her twenty percent v wanting the boat to be someone else. And twenty percent jury management that was by breakdown in terms of those numbers, again, sixty twenty twenty to sixty percent sixty percent me on feeling really back and not understanding why run wanted her out because what I saw in ninety day and a half two days of knowing her was someone who was very genuine very loving, very kind and someone who are trusted immediately a lot more than some of the other people who are out there. So there is that I also in the background mind had some concerns around the very quickly dwindling numbers of women that was like five was it. I of eight at the merge at by women eight men, and so that was part of it. Twenty percent. Me wanting the the time to shift to someone else in mind. Erie was okay. If Elizabeth doesn't go maybe the glass will default to our other option plan a which was Christian and then twenty percent, okay. If for some crazy reason I'm able to make it to the end. Maybe she'll remember that. I was someone who showed her a bit of grace before she lapsed Saddam was migrate in terms of Wia made the decision by miscalculation in all of that was that because I only on Elizabeth or Dana half. I didn't realize that she really wants to play in honest game. And and so let me explain kind of exactly what I told her when I Lynch her and and revealed all of his to her I not only said, hey, It's Hugh I gave her what I thought was the best move to save her. And this is the part that they didn't include. Because again, they wanted to just make look like heartless in fake in act. Like, I was just trying to get your vote. Absolutely. Not the case. I said, hey, it's you I'm so sorry. I don't understand it. I don't want to be you. And here is a move. I think could save you. And I said, I think what you need to do. And I'm happy to help is make a fake idol before tribal council in before as we're of talking to Jackson before the votes are cast said, hey, I heard it's me, but I've got so much more fight left in me. And I'm not going home tonight. It does that count of your bag put it around your neck and sit there with confidence. And I thought that if she would have done it was early enough that maybe people wouldn't have known where all the idols were net. And that he bull have kind of scrambled. And maybe pick someone else to that. It wasn't a situation where you put boating someone who's gonna just commune. And that has worked big don't plan that way for yourself have worked for some people in the past. So I pointed not to her. She immediately is like, no, no, no. I can't lie. I can't do that. Like that's not who I am. I used on like, what is your favorite, whatever, you're not, you know. And and again, that's what makes the games fascinating is the things that you're willing to do. Other people aren't willing to everyone plays by their own code. And so that's what makes them predictable on that makes it knitting. And so I was like oh shit. Like, okay. Well, if she's not willing to do that, which I think is the only thing that can savor. What else can she deal and Japan in you know, in a flurry in tears in her eyes walked away. And then went to go talk to Alec into Gabby in obviously, slowly or quickly the information travel, but she got out it was her. And I'm the only one who was not at camp at that time. So it was pretty easy to deduct that I was the one he told her. But yet so that this actually what happened. And again, I think if she hadn't done the movement that had been willing to do that, I recommended I think it could have saved our. But in retrospect, I think the small tweak. I would've made is that if I would have really thought that she find a lotta game known as she wants to play loyal on honest game. I would have made a fake. I don't myself. Candidate was real before the votes were cast handed it to Elizabeth and said, you're not going home and hoped that the tides of shift someone else, hopefully, not me all through risky move. But would have been okay within Elizabeth's criteria of Amazon's play within micro. Tearing the game I wanted to play and who knows what would have happened. But it either that or just not that anything at all. But yet Saddam is kind of my thought process in why would have changed if I do it all over again. It's at that same time its way that you have the idea that you should go to Christian Christian is the biggest target at the merge, and then that's the plan. And then ultimately the plan changes. And then ultimately, the group is going to come back around and say, you know, maybe we should get rid of Christian. Let me bring into question here. This from purple rock Giana another podcast route they're doing some good work that he says in hindsight did the. Elias recognize that your plan to take out Christian was correct? Would that have been the better move knowing everything, you know, now, should you guys have taken Christian out? I I definitely think sound anything from our stations post game. A lot of people are like well damn. Yeah. You're right. Eeking moats today. Christian out in how many tribals and how many idols and. Yeah, I think it's clear as day that I was right. That being said, you know, unfortunately, things happen as they did one thing. I want to note though, about how that decision in. How was again, very different than to make it. So what happened was we not get back and four of us get together. It was mean Chhaya me here at Allison. And Dan the four of us. We didn't grab everyone because we didn't want this perception of like L all big allies are getting together, and you know, Baywatch Marley on the beach or whenever Debbie's. And so the kind of you got there just in. We were talking about earn minutes in the wire and I- I propose like, hey, what if we all are out where heads are. What are thoughts are? And we just start the conversation. They're very collaborative. It's very similar to like design thinking where affirs anything goes in any start to do the pros and cons after all the ideas are out there. And so we did that and and in the larger got together, and at that point the four of us had landed pretty confidently on Christian, and then the larger group we start to do the same. I proposes in England. Hey, Luther ideas out there, but loyal. It's very collaborative is very nerdy in life business fully of major suggests that, but it is proven to show that kind of process is how you get to the best solution for things. And so we did go around a bit and people throughout they were thinking lockable were just saying Elizabeth about. Going. It's easy. It down very similar have the minds of those outing at ever sofa the lies with Nelly. Whereas like people look, so why not you know? It's not meet very Sandra mentality. Like anyone? But me again. My mindset was like I was like, okay. I stand that. I I'm cool with that. But let me just propose another way of thinking. Like it Christian is the biggest threat. This might be the only time that we have an opportunity to truly blindside the David because they think that there's just a strong momentum for Lisbeth in. There is strong momentum for Elizabeth. And so I said, I this is what I said, I think that if we don't get out. Now, it's gonna take a hell of a lot of time and energy today. Not and we may never get him out in L win this game. I said, I think I think one of them has an idol I feel like it's because he's the most like, you know, venture in Iraq. It, you know, and I was like I feel at baby wouldn't have an idol. I think are all has an advantage from going on island. And I think that the more trendy goes on more information, they gather is going to be hard for us to put it, you know, a two bro one of their key players out. And that was my pitch, and that was just based off of intuition on people. I met all of these things a little bit of information there. But none of it. I mean, a lot of it was just me guessing feeling things out in obviously all of that was accurate. But I think I think I think it was hard for certain people to feel like they were being told what to do twice slimy, and you could analyze that Djilas to the cow Simone. But it's like you have to kind of wonder like why is it that some of these very dominant men weren't comfortable listening to their female counterpart who was just trying to do the best for our team. Like, honestly, I was just trying to keep us. Safe and give us a better shot of moving forward McCain. And my mindset was I know him not very good challenges on decent around camp. I best like I felt like strategy perspective. This is where I could help my team a lot. And so it was frustrating Romy win. He will didn't listen to that. Because I did feel really strongly about what I was proposing. And again, right in retrospect, but. Yeah. But unfortunately, pokes it listen. I think have they probably wouldn't have been John Nixon our follow the churches. Really Joe cerrell. That's the irony is that you end up, you know, your game kind of craters. But then you are able to rise from the ashes and make it to the final three all those people that didn't listen to you end up being out of the game. So I guess in some way, it ends up working out at as well for you, probably if you would've taken him out, but just to do the thought experiment if you guys do take out Christian at that point. And he ends up being the person that when they do to try to take him out. It ends up blowing up spectacularly John ends up going out of the game. How would the rest of the game play out? Have you thought about that? I have. But again, just like you're saying like, oh, what would it be? Could you have one of the end if you play your over Davy? It's just it's so hard to tell news so hard to tell I I do think that there would have been a better shot for some of those big Elias guys to get further than they did we done that. Maybe there would have been a little bit more glide loyalty, but all of us knew that at some point there's going to be different alliances in different relationships than I do think that we still have seen a game where it was like being blocked, and it was blocked. It was bow to bow. In terms of where you went in you went or. But I think I think from for my game perspective, which I can speak to is that I think that I just would have had a lower social capital and a lot more agency for the first part of the merge than I did essentially what I ended up having to do for the for south of the merge as you saw was rebuild and take a step back and be a little bit more quiet and be a little bit more agreeable. And that's the reason I was able to make that hit. And like you said rise from the ashes was adoptable to the game and changed by style on done recognizing that no one wanted to work with people. Entrusting sounds like how can I rebuild trust? Okay. I need to be honest on. It'd be out front. A member Carl came to me at the at the vote where they were going to do the big the big huge play with all the his mellow fire and everything is just kind of by the fire during the day. And he's like, hey, you wanna ride with us? I love inside. Against Carl bidding. And I lifted my car I wanna play with you so bad, but I'm a week position right now. I need time word. I gotta go the safe route, which is still glides tonight. But when the time comes I would love nothing more than to play view and David, and so I kind of planted that seed, but at the same time as honest with him hold him. I would sticking with the lies which was true. And that when you try car all in recognizing that like, hey, does not as untrustworthy people are saying, she is a, you know, she's telling me where to going to enough rich. It's on us. I think that is not you'd a lot by a lot of people game. So that was what was able to help me rebuild. But again, I I who knows what would have happened if we would have gone Chris now earlier in could just would've been completely different eating. Okay. Let's jump around to another one of your big moments in the season. And I wanna talk about the REIs negotiation which ended up being a controversial point. In the season. And there was a lot of talk about how you handled the rice negotiation. There was a lot of talk about. Then how many times it came up after the fact so first off how are you feeling now about the REIs negotiation looking back. So I mean, I'll say that. And again, I I hope it's clear that I'm owning the things that I have done better. And my day. I could've been better in that situation was not talk about it after it happened. Right. The end wanted to of play that up and make you contentious. But I also think it reflected that people were tired of hearing about it. So I could have improved. There was to just shut my mouth like do it move on. And then only mentioned I made it's the edge. Right. Like should've mentioned today eighty when I was trying to ambush neon reward. But actually the reason I use that as an excuse when eighty was thinking people for the reward was an after the Levin visit. Kind of today. I said we shouldn't let people know that we're working at there. Like, we should keep kind of on the download gets you in Nickerson close. Like, we don't feel like there's too much of a bond. And so on the reason that I sent it to hand on the mat was wanted to give them an excuse to choose me, if he wanted to have that time alone with me and not her, and then we're going to build a comeback while I was chosen because I felt bad and she did at the rise. Like, I was trying to him cover. I wasn't trying to blow up the back at like I was final four with him. And into the reason I brought it up then again it raise as okay stop talking about it. Which again, I totally agree with that perspective. But that's why I mentioned stay on the mat was to just give him cover. But because he said in his interview with me that he said that he feel that the reason why he didn't take you on the reward was that he he got frustrated that you brought that up again. Yeah. Yeah. I heard that. And I understand that I get where he's coming from. But again, the reason I said it was just run. To give him an excuse to take me. So that we can strategize without people thinking because if I had said, hey behalf, great relationship. And hey, wink, wink, we're going to the end like I didn't want to know that has that's valuable information to others has the neom Nick would become even bigger targets in Matthew an and to not fly. I said it, but again gino's that now I think, but in the moment, it just, you know, rub him the wrong way, which is which is fine unfortunate, but on so that was being gigabit yet high done the right stuff again would have just done the move and the not said a word until the end. But in terms of the actual negotiation in preparation for it and everything like that like. Only. I was I was disappointed in the way it was for trade on TV because in relied like it was pretty unprecedented that it wants to smoothly usually people people to watch a live. It's like people get shit on for in jet for anything. Like people have been ridiculed completely shut down. And in what good reason like the thing is Jeff hold on power. Like, Jeff light, his light doesn't change if we get rice or not or someone gets their fishing hole or vision, your or not or whatever it is our you when they lost their plant twice in like, San Juan. He doesn't care because at the end of the day he's going back, and he has everything he needs. So you're going what's gonna gain? So the power dynamics argue off, and so I kind of wanted knowing all of that. And that's the reason I gave him such a large offer with high wanted at the beginning. But as he knew. All this inning was really we weren't even using it or really really deny it. No, it was high quantity low quality offer to start. And the reason that when he said, well, that's a little offer. And the reason I think knowledge that is because Jessica smart guy. And again, he has no skin in the game doesn't care. What if we get it or not anyone insulted intelligence? Right. Like, you're right. It is. But that's what you do at you know, 'cause you're negotiator to. And and yet enrollment you don't do that. You don't say. Oh, yeah. I know it's low because there's power almost is something that's wanted need it on both sides in real life again on fire. Aja chilling all of that is the saying. I was really proud of that moment Beth what coming back up again. And again is just because Wilson Bloomberg responded that it was evident just show up. She's just talking about it. But anyway, it was it was it was a unique situation. Jeff has said in interviews sense that like no one should expect in that in the future. Like, it was a it was it was a it was a good deal and that more will be taken at during that we cannot hop zone ally. Definitely agree. Certainly gave us a lot to talk about on podcast. But I think when you look at it. I mean, what did you give up that you you use set out of an immunity challenge? And I know that you talked about that you felt like that that was a challenge that you could have one. But I mean, people sit out of challenges all the time, and you were able to get rice for for the group to eat whereas in the past people have had to give up much more. So I do think that in terms of the deal that was made I think that you got a very favorable deal. And I think that Jeff is going to balk at whatever you throw out there first, so. I so I agree that the low ball offer is certainly the way to go. You could come out with like, okay? We'll give you this. We'll give you this will give you everything they know. No. Here's here's my terms. Okay. We're not doing your way. And so like, he'll reject whatever you throw out first. And then and then his counter offer was was very favourable berries. All all listening sitting out. We kept all of our material goods, and and and I felt really comfortable with the relationships. I had that point be. So if a calculated decision. So we'll see what happens in digital. But I think we're super fans they recognize created impo pass players be recognized this deal, again all are going to change this to not talk about it again until the end and other than that. I think it was a good month for making Gregory bean has a question. Besides negotiating for rice did your negotiations class that you took in college help you anywhere else in survivor who question I think just in general the class teaches you that is important to recognize what other with the other party watts. And so as you're thinking about in about or what name to throw up air, what would be adjustable to certain people at time just knowing that back my mind like what is there? What is there is like the zone zone of like agreement or both people? And and and you have a kind of layer on with the different people that you're working with. And so that is a concept that I brought into thinking about votes and who went, but yeah, I think obviously the rice was the most massad is of the situations or at all. All right. Let's talk about another big moment. And let's talk about where you alternately did find the immunity idol in the finale where you got the clue you talked about the idol in the very first episode about how women have found what is it seventeen percent of the hidden immunity idols here you were to be able to affect that number. Although how many idols were were in this season. I'm not sure I lost count. Not sure if if the percentage went up or down based on you finding the idol. I might have found seventeen percent of the idols on the season. Yeah. How many out there? But. Is an exciting moment to really this season. No, I think it's I think we're probably a wash in terms of like at a five or six something is something that. Yeah. It's still pretty low. But hopefully next season anonymous Kelly who's an amazing idle binder and Aubrey and hopefully next season started chain and any subsequent seasons. Like now on the conscious of not only the fans people who are going to be playing. And so I hope that by having a stat out there that it really does a line of fire under players to be like. We gotta find these items like mother Sherman powerful there. And it's not a lack of surging. I've talked about this guy talks about others part about it is not for lack of searching necessarily. But there are definitely certain times in a game where the perception of the search pan hurt us more led for men or there's just a little bit more permissibility or meant to be out and about us. And so I think as much as we can start to shift that larger perception of our game where it's like more acceptable to be aggressive to be going out there just one balls to the wall, or, you know, she's body part that is generally -clusive to the wall. The. The. Yeah. That's kind of my mindset words like I'm just glad that it got air time. You know, multiple bins about the part that I did really enjoyed. I edit is that it did show that I'm honest that I'm a fighter I am hoping to even the playing field about Lance writer, but also in the real world. And and so I think just by raising awareness word search change, it is in Australia and survivor. It's not the way. So, you know, putting in hopefully Kaiser changing so do so I want to make sure that. I get this straight when we're talking about. Are you saying that you feel like that it's more income in that the women players should be more ambitious in terms of getting out there and searching, or do you feel like that the way the show is hiding the idols should change? Or is it some combination of the two? I don't I don't think I've saying you'd be marvelous. I think a lot of women that go there are it's dry. Maybe the wrong word, but maybe don't be as prehensile about. Oh, what will people say? If I go out there. Yeah. I think that's part of it. I think the show needs to change anything about where they're being hidden because because that's really interesting because I feel like that most of the debate about this has centered about around how the show is hiding the idols in terms of that women have rolls around the camp that are more sort of like. Social and taking care of the food, and that sort of limits their ability to get out there and search whereas some of the men who have jobs like, oh, I'm going to go out and look for the fire would then have more freedom to go. Find those idols. Yes. I actually I think it's even deeper than I think it needs to be that. It's more permissible on foundational level or. Earn the women to be taking on the masculine rolls around camp and vice versa. And just having more fluidity in terms of the breakdown of expectations in roles in the game. I think doesn't matter where they are. If that's the case, right? It's like an image thing is like the game beating shouldn't change on that level. I think if anything the game should change the initials on a lot of grandeur grow in terms of how they pick women in the show. I think that's one issue, and we can kind of back to that. But I think what happens is that there is there is a penalty to women who play aggressively open the edit in the perception both on the audience and from the other players if we can evolve to a place where people will be more accepting of types of being play aggressive game play on whatever. Whatever that is. Traditionally masculine gameplay being aggressive it. We can just be like coal, you know. Yeah. Yeah. So and so's searching like not is what it is like, but I think that we need to get to a place where amble affairs in the audience are comfortable with different their actions of Hugo playing different games, even at that doesn't match up with traditional gender expectations. That's we're reachable arsenide its foundational than just where are the idols. I think it's like, yeah. It's more about who can be in what roles, and however, we preceding I know like. Like, intellectual, but. The first show Angelina. Cultural cultural, and I think we're at a really unique moment at time where you know, women have about one hundred years we've had the right to have arms for ball e like we've been able to go to business little for the last like thirty or forty is like we you know, we hold five percent of CEO positions were cordial by hundred. And so it's like we still have a lot of room to grow in terms of hitting women to parody like we hold twenty percent of elected offices like it. It's still the huge. And again, this is just the idols survivor just one super small inconsequential sliver of the journey of women is his -iety right now. American society, particularly not seeking to the world is a whole nother day. But we just have so much rain or aggress in growth. And again, I think really what it comes down to is a cultural foundational level about what are we teaching our girls when reteaching our boys? What are we going to be permissible what double standards are perpetual rating as it's so much bigger than idols? And that's why I think this dialogue is so important is as it does eliminate the broader role standing of women, and like there's still a lot of room to grow. And so on it. But. So lodgings. Yeah. And I think that this is such an interesting topic. Because I think that you know, we're talking about like, really big stuff. But in the actual survivor game. It's really micro stuff where that that. How much should players be thinking about society win their actions. If they do the wrong one misstep might make them the next person voted out of the game. I mean, do should shoot a player in that position. It's like, I think that you know, you really have to balance things out like, yes. Millions of people are going to see what happens here on this island. But in the short term, and in the long term for me personally, it may be better for me to not rock the boat. Yeah. I think he's designing on one of your shows when of your conversations where it's like, it's it's better. It's better place sometimes for your game to conservative move in Iraq. But not itchy. Range through. But I think I think in the game you have to just think about the game and and make the best no free. Let that moment. But that being said, it's like is actually I think for people who maybe play wanted was it's like user today about the context. And and for me, the broader context is we were for then. And that's definitely something. I thought of my mind, but I think it just depends on the person. And what they're they're rubric is for winning. And for me is bigger than just that moment. Yeah. We're there times when you were out there when you were thinking about the the broader context in terms of this being a show that's viewed by millions of people. I'm not too much because I just wanted to stay in the moment. I think being president is is essential to the game. I think you get to the clouds, then it can be a tremendous because it wouldn't be. Pearling, but it can it can kinda. Hinder you and it caused you to fall into into around the side of caution. And sometimes it is good air onset gawking. Sometimes it's not so. I think for me Michael was there. It'd be myself too. To play a hard getting to play a tough game social game. I did all of this things in the social aspects did not make it city at it. Because the school is to make a highly air caning entrepreneurial season. And so this whole polarizing worthy. He's running up in terms of my character. It makes sense because that's what the edit supported. They wanted to maximize me being polarizing 'cause it it makes you the audience member more passionate to root for certain when you have much really ads, and I hate the moment that Natalie left the game. She was the nevermind a Bill that time. But then she was like well who's argue Dylan, and I think it became me. But while I was out there. I certainly didn't feel like a villain. I don't think I was acting like a villain. If you actually watch that like adding campus with someone commented that like I got the most confessionals of the entire season more than net even more Christian. And and you watch nationals vision for one time when I've saying something really nasty hersal about anyone like answer. Like, I'm not a villain in that way. And for the most part actually was very loyal as in the lower half of the merging lights not ill in in that way. But they they made me villain REU showing kind of your commentary on my a few others, and by I really editing. Thanks to making like maximize my annoyance or my make love amount of wear and those things, and I think that the way that I think about it is like. They showed like a five percent sliver of me and just kind of blew that one hundred percent and in real life. It's like you said, you a little the Iverson, but also like much more grounded in of more much person than that. I think that happens to every mom reality TV is that you definitely become kind of warrant you tone at best. And that's what makes it interesting. But it means that it's kind of a basic representation of q. It looked. It's a double edged sword. Also, where you know, I talked with Allison. And you know, she was a very sad. And by the fact that they didn't show her as much and she felt like that. She had this whole adventure in this whole journey and she felt like a so much of it was on the cutting room floor. So know every every problem is a problem that somebody else wishes they have how would we actually on on our chat disease in Arab someone just? Your question. Mike, you've got a purple in it or negative at it. And a lot of people were like, brother, your, buddy. At least my reasoning pulled that it's like grass is always greener writing. It's like you've got one side lengths at Allison was under edited. Unfortunately, even though she played a great game. And then you've got me who was who's edited in a very negative way. And I didn't really sure who I am. And and the plate, and so could you if you don't, but I think what it comes down to you at all call it up. Honestly, I'm someone who always seek my mind is that you know, I'll say this. I love the producers thought I work with out there a lot of respect for them. But you look at who's ending the show, and it's like my head a ten why? And I just feel like they have a lot of rain for growth or the way pitch women will from the from all sides, not just aggressive playing women, but, you know, socially, cutting women, and and I think that. They do lean on really outdated stereotypes lot and an pandered. What big your audience wants to see? Instead a challenging that. And making the actions that are a little bit more complicated and interesting because you look at it like, they don't they don't do that a lot with the guys like they're you look at Christian. You look kind of the people they make their heroes in their favorites from mo- seasons in usually it's a guy who probably ignorant to really well. And so I just think that they would be better served to have more voices in the editing room in the election room than they currently have because it's in media as days at representations matters. And I think in the process that leads to what story is whole and whose identities are shown in all aspects. I think a lot of it's lost in translation because of Iraq daggers Inc right now. Okay. I have a bunch of questions for you about. Some of these different things that we're talking about. Let me bring in a question. This is from Blake Finch who says how did you feel about the edit of your idol hunt while I found you carrying the ladder through the jungle funny and amazing epic. I can see how you'd be frustrated with the portrayal. Did you have any issue with how they presented you your idol hunt? Well, I'll say it like it was really fine. The way that all of that Mr. trade like all the way from like Mike searching for the clue with violent. I was laughing. When I was watching it back yet that really let me kinda like fact check in at a little bit of commentary to it all so first of all, I'm one of the things I had the biggest issue. It was the way the clue was reading that. I found the cleaned said that even though I lost it. I still remember the art said the safety you see handy found atop the rock behind the well and atop the rock a I understand. So let me say that I recognize that like they're not gonna give us the case decathlon enhanced fetus, you know, exactly where something is. But saying a top is extremely misleading, and the reason that I think that they agreement of being misleading is because in the back when they have me telling might indicate the cable rewards. Able and they actually edited my words to say that it's inside the rock. I never said I was inside say that. And I knew it's an atop. So they that was some editing attic there, I think that they recognize like a top is very misleading and actually inaccurate. So there was a reason I went to the top of the rock is because it said a top it didn't had it said along or a top ladder or something that's a little bit. It was I actually think I could've found on company. I could've added on my own because I- I created enough time for us all to be a little too well by telling Alison Davey separately that the other until house on that gig it on a clue about something about the tree tops near like the the opposite side of the island. Allison ended century pop synopsis added island. So I kinda got them both out of the area replacing time and an created that. Opportunity. But again, even though I lost the clue for a little bit. And it was at a top not fly went to the very top of the waterfall. And it was the main producer who can't buy that helmet. Was there the entire thing? And he was standing at the bottom as I climbed up in scale, this waterfall as their cameramen Bala me up in essentially, what happened was because all the cameraman the sound guy. And the all an waited ourselves up along this this waterfall, and in the process ripped out the weeds, I was using leads to hold myself up between on tree branches and rocks in light, it was really slippery and seep. And when they came Hymie shredded all that there was no way back down. And the reason that I was very is Ryan chin and scared when I did thousand d shortly Nick after that climb was because they actually I was stuck at it. Like there was no way for me to get down. Literally. Like, they literally had to get like, I don't know the temperate belly in rock hunting, you know, those ropes. You used to reply result of announced they had it one of those attach chew entry sump that was the top of the waterfall, and we had to use that light repel ourselves. Seriously, the cameraman I thought all of us have do that in this whole time like anyone could have prominent to seeing this whole spectacle. But luckily, I bought myself in time, but I didn't get caught in the moment. But he was really Siri. Because again, I know that I can exaggerated like whatever, but I wasn't exaggerating. When I sent it by a fallen in payroll like minimum I wanna to play in paralyze or something because it was very high and very rocky at the bottom. And so it was it was a scary moment where I kind of went by journal. In stocked, and I was up there stock. I'm like this isn't worth it. Like I done I've gone too far where I'm hunting myself in harm's way. And if something how keenly I wanna see the worst thing, but I couldn't do that to my family. You know, like, I'm from life. I wanna live and some meetings. I want to do and I haven't I kid you just got married like so it was just one of those moments where it was like, okay. I need to sit back and take it reader. And reevaluate what I'm doing with this idle and not really why leaned on Nikolai is because I was enough. And I was like I kind of had a mental block of I went to the top of the rocket says the rockets out there and not fly was like I need you guys because I'm not going to have another alone moment over here. And I just was shaken up by the whole thing that I needed help me out. And that's why happening did. But again the frustrating part for me was less about. How's the pitted? Back war Lewis written. Really early in. I think it could have gone very differently have been a little bit rock rocket. Okay. I want to go back to the family. Visit now is this correct? That your husband was supposed to come and be your loved one. But then he then then he got deployed while you were out in Fiji is that. Right. So he wasn't a played yet. He was at a six week training before Clement. So anyone who's planning on those that there's a period where doing out relied time Jemaine exercises to prepare for the deployment? And so he was a six week training right for the planet and. Unfortunately, I was not able to leave for. I think it was like four or five days would have been the tying and human the military relate where it's like military. Brian corcoran. I right. And like, I respect that. And like that. But in the moment, like, of course, it was really really are naked seeking come out. And I didn't know until that minute when when just said, Rosie, your mom, and that's what I was like, okay. But my mindset was like I was able to see anyone any of my family come out, I been super happy. But I really wanted it to be my husband needed. It. Be haven't been. That's just kind of what you have to do as a military spouse is if flexible and know that they were bigger cause and sometimes comes at Saturday's. And so it was it was hard SEM. But I get an end so proud of him constantly, proudly his devotion end and his service. It's kinda like it hits you in the summit can like Jianghuai your Senate a heavy there and the logo them and when Bill alone on this island, these people can't trust. It's like it has that healing. So it definitely was hard at the moment. But actually was kind of harder probably later than it was in the moment. They think I was just so when like soft preservation, though, that I was really great listening. My mom. She was amazing like she was such a great support and so loving and jittery energize me. But again, like when you're when you're kind of hoping for your your spouse your loved one. Not there. It's like a. And they haven't been there for many other moments is just like tar part. I'm sure it's incredibly difficult was he back for when the show aired? He to watch the first to agree episodes of men he place most of the season he was on an analogy was trying to. So he was extremely supportive from abroad and had been of wifi during the seasons atmosphere will like next a bit. But yeah, so he was he was on for most of it. What was that nice for him to be able to while while he was away to be able to connect with you over watching the show? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I had a nine hundred name also because on this is his this is our planet and the first one he had very little shifty. Like, I get an Email hobby. Like once every month, he must have she must. So it really depends on what their mission is. And why they are in the world and all of that. So the beginning of this. He did have a little bit Martin activity in that that really long way has it was able to support me on N B from me from heart. So that was a huge lessening, but. It's is just a course it would have been awesome help helping here during it, especially given on the heat in slap at Auburn people. But you did a really really good job of of supporting megrim are okay. On on a much lighter note veneers. Wants to know what was it like being a vegetarian slash vegan on the island? Can you give some insight on how your perspective on it? Changed of or some things that you do Justice in your diet on the island. So I will say it's not gonna let it'd be vegetarian when you're in civilization. Mexican food. I actually ended up they didn't show this up eating emerge. Does that do a number on you to go from not eating meat and then to eating meat in a situation where now you've been very deprived the food. Yeah. We'll I it. Here's the mindset. I was like I was just listening to my body. My body was like unique protein and has been like eighteen days and all it had those two eggs that we won. Just was really listening to my bias unique protein, and we're the only Ormoc protein it had emerged east was slobby at hand think and. And so I actually made a regionalization or even going into northeast, you know, kind of emerge letter renew I- internally just decided like myself mission to she slide or whatever I didn't know what it was gonna be. But I was like now I I knew I was image. It has needed it. And yeah, when your body he said, what your bodies in that state of surveys in a dozen number you, and and somebody just listened to it. And I said now the game has unique rely in real life. I will attack on that train eventually. But right now, this is what I need, and I did it. And luckily because I grew up on me, I've only been administering the last eight years now, I think my body like I didn't have any negative reactions to process it just fine. An all Abed really to get but emotionally I did Bill guilty because I like part of me being China's I love animals. That's the primaries. Secondaries like the. Packed environment. Not meet Russian transportation has. And so it definitely what against what I believe to be right for me. But again, you have to make some concessions in the game. Abbas definitely one of them for me. Okay. Speaking of loving animals Cherie on Twitter. He wanted to know us about your hang out with SIA. Now, we saw some pictures. I think it was maybe on Instagram towards the end of the season where you were spotted with survivor super fans CEA. Yes, she is phenomenal on. So she ring luxury and got me her run it up right now and hang out again soon. But yes, SIA was at a watch party at my house, and I to meet her I was it was actually really fun. Because after the watch the episode there was like this girl hitting their, you know, a lot of them were daughters of mass best friends from growing up, and they were just like such an awesome, Matt of like girls, and they wanted to hang out with me. I want them to run around the party hanging out with people, and they really wanted to see us all of us went to her and just it was like this girl power gang. It was so fun and the girls ask for photos, we all to vote only any SEO's just so lovely gracious and the girls were yourself too. So it was it was experience and his out his game. Just like opens up opportunities like that that you would never. You think you would have? Did you ask see if she was going to be at the finale, and now I didn't ask you that? Okay. Because sometimes she goes to the finale, and she has like a present for somebody. Donovan just so cool because a couple of times. Yeah. You times, which is awesome. I didn't after she was maybe no she didn't do it or imam this season. But yet, I think it's a bullet. She does that occasionally end. Jonathan he's in love. And and so happy that she she gave him some money 'cause you relate as lockers commodity envy yourself in that way, or she grow up in a place that may not support you being really yourself. So. Zia Antiphon who are just awesome people. Now. Can I ask you if I may be so bold about what it was like meeting another survivor fan? Angelina jolie. Another amazing woman. So I met her also a matter of the resign. At Mike's washed party, Sheehan Reicher friends. I I really screwed things up by pissing off. Mike white didn't I? I think he was just playing with you. Because I listen to I think he was just Mike is a singer. He knows he's buying. He kinda likes to go on a risk. I don't think you actually. Feeding. My dad might resign him pretty well and mass away. I run it was that's what I like to tell myself. You should I really I think you're fine. Mike, really his Rudge's. He's very late that guy. So I think he just wanted to have some fun with y'all can show on a he has done all to be very very funny. Leading friends, and she was at his party. I think you watch a lot of this as our and an accurate analogy had euless over as well, which was really really really nice of her on so generous, and she's like, she's so young earth. Like, you would be around even never you know, like there's this mega superstar in front ULA. She's just down to earth super genuine and great person. Someone I thought I understand her for how she has her platform to change because I think that it's really impressive and is regional and there was no tension between you and she over who is the number one Angelina. No, no, I only job with Meighan. And I tried to ask him. I said who's your number one? He he had dogs. The question of it. Wasn't that bad omen for valley? Number two number any day. This is Christian from Cristo on Twitter. Did you know that Dan was gonna play the idol for you during that John vote? S? So so this goes what I'm saying earlier around its information to know kind of be the parameters that people are playing and what their goals are the for was play a loyal in that it'd be crowded that he could show his girls to later on. And so I knew that retention with me, and Dan, it was no secret to anyone including each of us. And so, and I also he had an idol did not know he had to and so my opposition with him on the wrath where I'm crossing like, oh, I'm nervous. Like, it's gonna be me. I was slightly nervous. But not really what my goal there was to get him to give me as word that he would play for me binding him up. Or if if an idol is played for namely. And he said, I got you girl. Like, yeah, I'll go to back essentially got his word, and again that was intentional move on my heart because I knew that his word was everything to him. And I knew that even though we've kind of been battling at little bit. Maybe wasn't a person. I mean, he was gonna stick to his word and water and labor me like you did. So I knew that once the I was Christian that in would play it for me. Of course, I was a little nervous at took him. I got a little seconds to make that decision. The pressure on a little bit by Syrian. And so I very yeah. Really happy. He didn't in in day or night despite us kind of going after each other anything and having you blimp, sir, or truly Cullin rela-. We bet so he's awesome guys been super supportive, and she gets like, you know, the deployment stuff because he is in law enforcement of berry similar field military. And so he's just been such a great support in checking in on me empty net. Good friends through it, all I do think. It would have been really interesting that had you guys been able to get Christian out of the game in sort of like get the jump on the David's. So you know, how that would have played out because at least as the show was presenting. It seemed like that there was tension. It seemed like seemingly both ways because I feel like that there were moments when you were talking about how you wanted to see Dan go out of the game. And that he wanted to have you go out of the game. But it's like that in the in the landscape of the Goliath. So it seemed like that you guys were both Mia mutually connected. With John against maybe the side that was with Alec and Allison and may be CARA and that to see that the goliaths break in half. I feel like that would have been interesting to see that play out. Yeah. Yeah. Matches v. I mean, the rivalry was real dot not over. It was not a replacement would step wait president. But it was it was almost like a family feud. So saber it's like, we know we're the same family. We may be like Adrian now. But we still felt like we had mutual face. And so I wasn't ready to turn on him necessarily. But definitely. Yeah. Just definitely feeling the tension of one another and and the game adds up pressure for sure the the thing I will say the comment that he said, and he prepared me that it was coming. But the comma that bothered me the most from him was the one around me, not not shouldn't be using military. Because I'm not in the military is missing a lot of my good friends. Especially now that I'm living on base in everything. A lot of closest best friends right now our other military spouses, and they're like they're like oh that piss me off so bad because it don't silence us like a, yeah, we recognized for the ones who are putting our lives on the line. But like for the most part in her husband's most of it is that has been serving our husbands are out there in they are ledge. So it's like a course invested, of course fee. Listen to them every day when they come home from work. Be learn a lot through them. And especially me because I'm just so curious about everything that like I want my husband to teach me everything about his job in end his light because it's unity like I never had. I don't know anyone who Serpa over. So it's really it's kind of data both of his grandfather served, but again, pretty new to impugn, so. Yeah. That's just all that. It's like as bows. It's like, we we do have a platform and made you have a place in the only thing that pissed me off his he said, the two that we shouldn't have a place to talk about that. But I was never I was never trying to just say that I was the one who's sacrificing like, the only reason I ever brought it being a military spouse on the show is because I think remains such a service of strength, and for the women that I know mostly women there are I don't know many men her military's spent most of my friends of urban like they are some of the strongest people I now like they give birth without. There has been here we get through at car accidents death like day to day stuff at your husband is on the other side of the planet, and you can't talk to him and you get together. And so I wanted to permit up occasionally because for me in my journey like that has been such a source of strength in building my own. Strength in facing adversity that. I brought to that. And that's the only reason that I ever brought that aspect of of of my identity. So that's just something. I wanted to say about that. But I do love Dan, so Ragas to hear a lot of military spouses as the show showing on again a ton and other other military numbers to who are just like. Yeah. Who related a lot of saying or who thanked me for my husband service than it's like. No. I think you can I. Yeah. But from Alaska houses who felt like excited to see you part of who they are on screen 'em. Because of yeah. I like I was saying a lot of what we go through is transferable to the game wear. A you're not in contact with your family. You gotta be really just tough and get through hard times. And in you, do like the against some of the strongest now strikes people in so you go through a lot of incidents Janna game has a lot of uncertainties. So there's a lot of parallels between the journey in life that we lead. Again. It's it's full of pride is not from a place of complaining or anything. Like that is just like, you know, we refer so proud of them in envy play a role in that. And so I got to see some of that out in glad to see a lot of other military spouses who could relate to what I was saying. Okay. Let last couple of things. So this is a question from Jimmy who says is there a move or something that you didn't a game that you thought was really underrated or? Or when recognized by a lot of people. Love you feminist Queen. Immunity idol on Twitter. Oh my gosh. Thank you. Thank you for the in comment. Nothing warms, my heart war. Move yet. I mean, so here's the thing is like it's for the for the latter part of the merge, I think ladder power. The. We saw that whole thing. Oh my gosh. That's good. That's good. Now. I remember I was gonna say I don't. The second part of the merge. A lot of agency was given to to Mike and Mike respect. Of course, you know, the communists are made the gecko bills. Like the game. We all the game. You are is. So it is hard to take on a whole out that from the larger view, I really really did feel and that Mike, and I were leading a lot of the votes for the latter second part of the merge, and and I think that went very very. Under the radar and was very interested in it makes sense from a storytelling perspective, they want to show. Why revolt tonight why not spent on the? Yeah. I do think that mechanize were flat. Reuters Aaron working very closely nicotine. But for the most part like we were making decisions together. So eventually I felt like I went from a position of strength at the beginning of the game weakness at the beginning of the merge, and then kind of regroup got back to string again with Mike side by side with Mike. And so, unfortunately, I don't think that translated much on the show, and he tried to undermine that in the final tribal by saying like, oh, you're obsessed with Allison actually does to miss John. Gee whiz to act like I was second guessing vote when I really wasn't because I knew that that would make him dig his deal he'll leaper in Megan a religious sense from him about where he was going. So that I felt like okay. Basically what I'm trying to say is like. He army together Ange there. The second part of the March like and for action a lot of the boats except for re on I almost had complete information. If not at competed information about where votes regarding and that's the key to the game in having agencies. When you know where things are you can move your piece intentionally when the in. So that's yet. I think that's something that translate. I think the other thing shoe is just an dissident in people's exits where it's like Karl talking about like our bond Davey metro Narbonne Knicks mentioning our bottom, it's like even Ellison benching are button, it's like all these people the editor showed me being like this ruthless aggressive, Blair unlike the truth was there was a very strong social aspect game. I could have done more of that for sure. But like I did do quite a bit that just wasn't shown because they wanted to show me as just like crazy go all in. And again, I think that there was just so much more to. My game that wasn't shown. Yeah. Okay. Flea bay Shimon wants to know do you like all of the Angelina memes or no? I love the means so much content that comes out online that I'm like, then this if you can't make this shit up. Degrees. I knowing what am I students in watching all of his back, and it's never not coming in clear through this. Because I think I've been like picking apart the it which was not my intention, but I have had such a good sense of humor about this all end been able to really laugh at myself and laugh at these data's be like meant that is. That's entertaining. His Ascot she'd be like, you know, and the means are just like the enemy of that route. I'm did ask for the jacket like four times in a did, you know as mentioned the rise way too much in? It's like again, I'm I can laugh at myself. I love the means I love when people have a lighthearted at all y'all and I'll be right next to you packing up at all love beans and in terms of talking through. I totally understand wanting to take the opportunity because I think that as people we all wanna be understood in it doesn't matter who it is. That goes on. This show. I feel like that. There's definitely things like you guys. Don't understand it wasn't. It was it was different. But I just think that you should be very proud of the that that you had such an impact on the show and even in ways that are going beyond the show. I think there's very few people that could say that, you know, they've inspired conversation that take place outside of the realm of a silly reality show that we love that. It's nice to be able to say, you know, you had impact, you know, on the show. And then also inspired a lot of people to have some thought provoking conversation. Thank you. Yeah. Now that back to me is like, I think everyone has a different idea. Like what I mean? I mean, look second odyssey Nick one I'm sort of lacking one and he deserved the win. But for me, it's like there's other ways that you walk away. Healing white. You one are you searching purpose and housing hawked about this. Like, she had the realization that she was out there to to Grover empathy as a doctor anything for me. I was out there with a greater purpose of maybe starting these conversations in for personal level like helium or comfortable with these more aggressive parts of my personality in accepting us as I think in real life. I'm definitely not that aggressive, and it I was grim. Either. Socializes most women are to to be nice to be liked that these to be pretty these are the things that I should be dying for and so to go out there to be shift of makeup in any hygiene to there in have to play this game. It's like it put me in a place while outside my comfort zone that helped me grow the person and helped me. Except parts of myself that maybe I've been a little bit mirror shined to also to like ring aspects of the game into my real life for it's like make the big move take the risk like don't wait end inactions in a big way for me on. I'd have quit my job. I know you said it's kind of a stereotype people got jobs after survivor change. But I did I left Miami. You're comfortable Kush corporate job to ago to start my own nonprofit fulltime. And so that is again, a direct translation and result of playing this Damon going through this transformative life experience remains to me waiting gold that it had impact on me personally. And now like I said, I'm working on ready to run fulltime which have been interested in learning more about it the website. I'm still working on it. But. It is lost. It's she is running to running not worm. And essentially just the idea is that we need more women in leadership. And I think that starts young in. So memorization will focus on repairing the siren middle school in his girls to run for leadership positions in their schools to prepare them to do. So again later on. And so a lot of it does come back with survivor and had I not gotten their place in an won the money that I did on that what been able to as you had not gone felt kind of like this sense of. Of self and UNC had the gumption. I probably wouldn't have had the gumption to like do this. And so remain that is one of winning and of having just a very positive outcome from this appearance. And then do you plan? Are you gonna be doing a lot of speaking going around to schools as part of of starting the nonprofit? Yeah, I mean nothing yet. But I think one of my goals is to to go out on person. But main objective is to create a lot of internal content that can be used openly and recre- anywhere in the country in around the world, but I do and would love to go to different schools in counties and even thinking about doing like a cross country thing where I can go and reach girls in person as I'm watching this in getting the word out there. So at something that an idea I've played with having put it into motion yet. But yeah, put it onto the universe. Of any principals or teachers, or you know, and board of Ed people are listening, and you're interested in in having me come in and talk to girls in your area him yet. Let me know I would love to work with you Angelina. Thank you for going through all of this stuff. Was there anything that that you wanted to talk about that? We didn't hit. Yeah. I mean, I I think I'm leading this whole experience just feeling grateful. I think I think it could be easy to listen to this whole conversation of ours. And man like she really was poking holes everywhere in back checking in I don't want people to think that he think that I'm I'm salt here or scorned or anything I am leaving feeling grateful for experience for everyone. I met along the way for getting the chance to play. Yes. There are things that I think can be improved. But I think that you can hold those ideas and ideals simultaneously with. Just feeling like, wow. I got this chance to play the most amazing game that have been created to be a small part of like the survivor history and get to join the ranks of I think it's like five to six hundred people who have ever played in. So I really just feel honored that they chose me that I got to plan big part in what is considered one of the best seasons and in really excited to be an alum now and every passer-by player. I mean, I'm just like you were the most epic an awesome like crazy person ever everyone. Every alumni that you mean. Somewhere than others. Ron. Five hundred can't all be awesome. All my mind by my theory is just it's it's awesome. In the sense of like were also uniquely ourselves. They've got click Stober crushing because I think a lot of his life and behold ourselves back, and we hide her her cells fit in or to your door. So that's what. So like, honestly like I love that about our community. Like, it means that were little bit one. He sometimes like all of us ever idiosyncrasies. But it's like that is enriched in of itself because announcement about this community of people, including my tasks like Elizabeth pushes need to own who I am to be passionate to be myself and to go after dreams like Karl pushes me to be honest in a front end like inches. There's all these different aspects of these people that I now have in my world that are making me a better person in teaching me more about life and their journeys in to me. That's what it's all about. Yeah. Just so disagreeable or for them in for for everything and unhappy with the way everything turned out. Do you think that you also will now go for a person that survivor casting just bring this full circle that they you were somebody that once upon a time? I said, no, we can't have this person. Do you think that they are now looking at casting and saying bring us another Angelina? I. I think that'd be cool. If they did I have actually Phillies. Fill is Iranian. This term bulls. Erin, this is it is it a impossible task to go and try to find another engineer. No, no, no. No, no. I know I know so many. Modern empowered outspoken women who are like me it has some provide. And actually know couple who are interviewing are in the process or is thirty nine who were connected to me by like mutual contacts. Like, they saw someone on Facebook religion numidian if they really similar to me. So I think there is going to be a wave of more women like me on the show, and I'm really excited for that. Because I think like dig using the more representation we can get from whether it's minorities or women or whatever it is. It's a batch just makes for not only more interesting game. But. But it's just really important to the people that we represent on the show. Okay. All right Angelina. Of course, is on Twitter is is Instagram the same at Angelina Cardona donate is for Twitter. And then I'm Healy underscore key. I really want to have at the same. You know? Yeah. But on Twitter on had my maiden name on there for years, and you actually can't change your handle on Twitter. So I just kept my legacy one, and I kind of rock by have my maiden name as my second middleman because I didn't want to lose the art of myself. So I have both rob. I don't know. It is what it is. Okay. All right. Well, look. That you got great stuff either way. All right. I'm so glad that you decided to do this. I know a lot of people were really looking forward to hearing you, and I'm sure they will not be disappointed. Thank you know. I the long run. I know these are either really long interviews to get through for anyone who didn't make it. This far. Thank you for taking the time and interest in listening. I hope this doesn't sign all in interesting helpful, and I'm going to continue to have a bit of his these conversations on my Instagram. I did alive last week. It was great. It was really good. I've got a ton of questions on. I, you know, I'm not big proponent of leg. Just speaking directly with. I don't want them Cullum fans. I think that's kind of demeaning like problem. New friends new followers. Whatever is going to continue doing that again. Because I think my game was a little bit how McKay did. And in a lot of the conversation that came up from this is a bigger than me in any of us. So Nikki having this conversations in standing up for what I believed in on mainstream in my real life Anjem. Yeah. If people want to keep going on the journey with me. I would love to keep the conversation going in thinking about again, bigger ways that we can affect some change asset of survivor on the road for things that really really matter. Okay. Do you have a hash tag that you want people to use that made it all the way to the end that appreciated hearing from you that you want people to use. Oh my gosh on the spot. I don't actually don't use hashtags not much. I'm like totally I need to get on my Davies level and like figure all that out. But have of this if someone out there in the universe has a good hashtag that bathing specialties ING, we gotta give it out nowadays. Everybody's gonna know with. Yeah. What what are your ideas rob floating around? I don't. I don't. Hash tag. Top Angelina are seeing stingy. Nice. That's a nice one. That is of talk starting though, I at Salisbury. What your podcast with your podcast jackets for all? Jackets cable every especially with the polar vortex. Everybody could use the jackets. Okay. Angelina. Thank you again, so much and all the best to you. Okay. Itchy rubbed. Definitely. Let's keep in touch and keep doing great work. The thank you so much. All right talk to you soon. All right, everybody. There you have it. Angelina talking all about season thirty seven David versus Goliath. And I think I think that this might officially close the book on my podcast about survivor, David versus Goliath where ride what a great season what a ride. Thank you guys so much for checking all of these. I think that this was a record for me to do six postseason interviews. I mean, that's almost a third of the cath that we ended up talking to after this season. But I thought they were all were very very fun to go through with everybody from great cast great season. But now it is time to move onto survivor thirty eight hopefully by now, you've checked out some of I one out or some of the profiles. We've done on the returnees which are all posted you can again, go to rob his website dot com slash s thirty eight for everything they were doing for survivor edge of extinction. Of course. I would be on the edge of extinction. If it were not for the support of the patrons of rob has a podcast. Thanks so much to all of you out there who are still listening. I know that at least a few of you are. So I appreciate that. And of course, I if you're interested in getting on board becoming a patron of this podcast. 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The Most Ingenious Moves by Survivor Winners with Peridiam

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The Most Ingenious Moves by Survivor Winners with Peridiam

"Yeah. What's gonna rob sister, you here and we've got some great survivor off season coverage for you a little bit different than some of the recent postseason interviews that we've done, we're going to be talking with a guy who goes by the name of Perivian, and he's got a YouTube channel, and he talks about survivor, mostly big brother amazing race as well. And he creates these videos talking about all sorts of different survivors, subjects, the kinds of things that we would talk about in a long format in a podcast. He does some really great survivor videos. He's been working on a series about the most ingenious moves made by survivor winners. No reason, in particular, that he is a looking at that type of thing and what he's done is he's gone back and looked at some really unique move. That were made by different survivor winners. He's posted parts one two and three on his YouTube channel. We're going to talk about the ten moves that he has posted in part three here today, but I highly recommend you, check out part one and two on his YouTube channel. That is parade Eum. Of course, we got a lot of other survivor podcasts here in terms of our exit interviews or postseason retrospectives from the season. I've just posted our interviews with Aurora and rematch this week. In addition to all the other interviews that we've done in the postseason so beyond the lookout for those as well. If you missed any of them before we get to talking with premium, I wanna take a moment, and thank one of our sponsors. And those are friends over ide- see universe. That's the first all DC platform for DC fans. We watch read shop and even connect with other fans. That's the home of. The original DC series like titans. Doom patrol swamp thing in coming soon. Harley Quinn, featuring Kaley cocoa. 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And we are on rob is a podcast, rob. Thank you for having me on very excited to have made contact with you know, you were on the, the BNB a while back. But when I had been emailing for a bit of trying to figure out something to do. And I'm really glad that we were able to get on the same page to talk about some of these winner moves. I know it's been a long time in the making ever since we first made contact and I was like us hoping to win slip through my fingers at some point or something crazy. What happened with my channel between now? And then, and yeah. Yeah. But now with the off season going on, and we're sort of in the cracks of survivor. Big brother. I'm just like this is the perfect opportunity, and I'm just glad to be here. Let's set up a little bit about what you do for anybody. That doesn't know about your channel your videos, and what you do is that you create, you know, really slick high end videos that. That are often, you know, like a list, or like a specific topic or moment in the history of these shows. It's fair to say that you do the most on survivor, right? Yet is I appreciate the compliment calling him really slick and high end. Some like most other people in this space. It's like, okay, it's a Google hang out between two people talking about the thing and you're actually going in and you've got the highlights and showing us exactly what happened. Right. So when I was seeking out to start the channel initially it was simply because I interested in these kinds of videos for other things that I'm invested in outside survivor, that I know exist on YouTube. And I was like, oh, cool kind of channel that I was envisioning, which I started would be on YouTube and it wasn't. It was mostly as podcast or you get long-form interviews and stuff like that, which are also great. I've been listening to for the past decade of my life. Now, I was like I wonder if there's something that could exist. Like I was envisioning and it turns out, I guess, at the moment there is so here we are. Yeah. And it's really great. I've been watching the channel for a long time that you do these great videos. That's what's the average Runtime at like fifteen minutes on easily. Go for about fifteen minutes at try to try to in for fifteen the longer than twenty but in the case of some videos like the one that we're gonna be talking about today. This is probably going to be the longest video I will have made this far. It's, it's I haven't finished even as recording this, but it's hoof it's probably I have an hour's worth of audio that I'm sifting through of me talking because I write a script out. I when I make video, I brainstorm, the idea that I do a lot of research, I will watch up back all that to make sure that I have facts in details. Correct sent wanna say something that's not right. I don't always get it right. But, you know, for the most part, I wanna make sure that I noticed talking about. And then I will write the script. Record myself. And normally I would say that I have about thirty minutes of on edited audio and it will condense down into about ten to fifteen at most. But in this case, this is a huge video that put together, particularly because I wanted to celebrate the fact that I'm on rob is a podcast. And it's, it's at least at the moment, I have an hour of unedited footage, which is twice as long. So it's gonna be a long video. So you start with the audio you start with the script you record that. And then you edit the video on top of the audio track. Yes, all record record myself reading my script out a little bit position here and there. And then I will edit that audio down with I will have a lot of like a Rolodex of different episode clips in mind that I know, I want to probably including video editing. Audio I will sort of leave gaps in the audio file that I know I want to insert a clip of Richard hatch doing this, or whatever, and I'll have a general idea of at least what I'm looking for. So I'll know that. And then I'll have generally of how long video is gonna be if I need to be slimmed down a little because it's going to little. Who long or like Alex, and then I'll edited video on top of it. So that's the general process. And when did you start the channel, I started the channel in the middle of heroes, healers, and hustlers, which was number of two thousand seventeen and I had an idea for it going months back in between game changers and season thirty five during that summertime which I think was big brother eighteen. Maybe it was at knows nineteen I- distorted putting the pieces together gathering the resources that I thought I would need that would make it easier for me to really when I started I wanted to have a consistent upload schedule at wanted to make sure that I wasn't gonna be sporadic. I just knew that her saly always enjoyed it. When content creators, whoever was making things on a regular basis like yourself included. So I gathered all the resources that summer. And then I started sorting crafting this, this routine that I have somehow managed to stick to. Two for almost almost two years, coming up this October, which really is crazy to think about now that I just it was just a little fun. Little hobby on the side, a huge survivor and big brother fan, and, yeah, I just took some skills together throat manage to push a little bit of my other hobbies to the side, and all of a sudden, this is just taken center stage in. It's been it's been a blast really the last year and a half last year. Three quarters had nothing but enjoyment on a weekly basis. So I'm just hoping that it can stay this way for who knows how long in your name pretty amazing. What does that mean? Can you give us the origin story on that? Yes. So grown up had like a really lame kitty Email address that I created a long time ago, and it was just didn't make any really any sense than I can't can't use the Gaza backup Email that I would use it. So like a couple years back before I started the channel, I was thinking up of a new all night name for his video game player. I was thinking by new name for my XBox. And I can use my real name. So I just started thinking that stuff in my real life that could somehow buying into something sentimental, that nobody else would know about and ended up combining it into it was my wife's earth stone in my birth stone, which is pretty not. I know you don't like how win survivor tribes combined emerged yet, I've heard yes. So I decided to go with that. And I combine the birth stone, which is paradise and diamond. So it's Heron EM or paradigm, which is also part of it is minor little eastern egg. But when you look at, like the name radium that used for mice, Twitter and the YouTube channel, it's got white and green as the color pattern because it's supposed to emblematic of diamond and paradox, which is green. So the, the have a Queen chess fees with a green survivor buff, which is sort of just the diamond, which is the diamond carpet in paradox green so little tiny things in the background. Okay. That's what does it actually mean. Anything else it's just a random work. Okay. So we're gonna talk about the half of your list. It's part three in the video, and it is a just dropped on your YouTube channel. You drop part one and part two with which each had five moves in those videos. We're going to talk about the ten moves that you're covering in part, three, of course. People can go back and watch part one and part two of the series on your YouTube, channel at YouTube dot com slash perdiem. Is that the right linked to give out? I believe it is. I the time check, but I'm going to look, it's not easy to find things on YouTube go on YouTube search pretty you're gonna you're gonna get there. If you spill out on, it's okay for all my videos, I always do the tags in the background, I always do spelling errors because I know my name is off. It's off humid. He really knows how to spell it. So if you spell it wrong, you'll find it. Okay. So. We're going to talk through the ten moves that are covered in part three of your series. And what I what I like that you've done here is that you are not necessarily ranking moves of these are the greatest moves of all time by any stretch of the imagination. But these are in your totals. These are twenty sort of original unique moves that were made by people who have won the game. Yeah. So when I was thinking of the idea, a lot of people like me to rank stuff and try and subjectively like measure them, and which one was the better the worst. I understand the appeal on that for this list. I was thinking more of just sort of collecting a list of moves that I found to be sort of people players winners thinking outside of the box, the usual beyond like simply flipping or citing playing an idol correctly. Like those are a dime a dozen, we get those a lot and you. You know, it's cool when they happen. But I was thinking, maybe something a little bit more regional somebody had never seen before or something that required a little bit more just outside of the box thinking creative. And so, basically, I was as I said, in part, one is just synonyms for the word ingenious, not to be confused with the word genius. Which actually, I was initially confused by to go brilliant move. So they're not really still always brilliant and sort of trying to wrap my head around this not to not to, like down in semantics of the word in the definition is that in want it to be like a debate of or what is really genius? Not more just appreciating. The move itself is aren't necessarily always going to be moves that are necessarily fantastic. They are not always gonna be the best moves ever made by winners or by any player. I mean, they'll, there are a lot of players who didn't win who made better moves than the twenty moves. I've listed here, but I was looking for moves out just sort of required. An extra element to them that you don't usually see or they're the first. They're kind in this case. Right. And in some cases, I think that you would dare even say that they are game changing move. We may end up seeing a game changer on this list at least guy. Yeah. All right. So let's take it away. So these are ten moves no particular order, even with part, one in part to those are not the bottom ten and those are not the top ten. It's. Move altogether, part one and part to each had five moves listed in them. And then this is part three. It'll have ten moves. There is no particular order. While technically that's not true. There is a particular order in the order, whatever I thought would be the most interesting to talk to you with so can attend in part one and part two and I thought these would be good, and I do systematically, try and make it so that there's a sort of an order to them. If people are trying to read between the lines figuring out the order, you could figure it out. But for the most part, yes, there is. No order does not number one is not the first one we talk about Bice versa. So and I wanted to set this up really quickly and just say that I, I know you don't know what I'm going to be bringing up riots wondering if a four, I get to the move, I was gonna ask you, if you try and guess, based on the winner, and obviously, the season that they were in. See if you could figure out what move cake thinking of fun. Okay. Yeah. And I certainly would have done the prep. The video isn't up yet. We're recording this before the video has dragged. I don't want. Want people to play rob couldn't even watch the YouTube video before we talked to the guy who made them. Yeah. But you did what part one part two. What's in part one and part two? Yes. And there are a handful of winners, and we will see repeats of winners who have made more than one move. In the case of part one and part two we saw Tony come up twice. He up been part, one amfar to he may or not member. Not part show up in part three today, but not enough. Tony for me. All he's honestly going through moves off the top of my head. And then I was looking at the whole list of everyone I was like, you know, you know, Tony's got a handful of individuals things he did. They were pretty crafty, but you know, maybe we'll see if we get. Yes, the, the pre merger going to the other camp. I feel like that was something that I had forgotten about that. And that was very very crafty, very clever. So I know that it's a small little moment. Didn't have much of an impact on the overall season for the episode was a fun fun, little storyline that Tony did that. I always remembered in the back of my mind, and I finally was like finally talk about it. Okay. All right. Where are we going? I so I figured it was only fitting to start at the very top with the very first season, of course survivor Borneo and we have injured hatch the winner. Now, there aren't a ton of moves you talking about in the first place with Borneo let alone by one player. But for the most part, we have Richard hatch who's really genius if you could guess what move what, what, what move one move Richard have pulled off that. I would think would be genius. Would you say to look at Richard hatches full game from episode one until the finale and? Yeah. One things again. He's first so everything he did is original and Ryan. That's another thing. So I would start with taking his hand off the pole and removing himself from winning the, the final three immunity. And if I had a bell would ring it, because that's correct. I was surprised because there's a lot of stuff that Richard did that you could technically defined as ingenious given. He could he was a part of one of the original alliances, obviously, a lot of the blindsides, I don't know exactly who is responsible for some of that stuff. We didn't have a ton of the strategic footage for fraud. Two percent. Fact. We did see Richard hatch at the final three of absorb intentionally took takes his hand off of that hard idle, and he throws the first ever final three immunity challenge basically to increase his odds of winning the season. And I'm curious obviously to get your take on these moves in what you think about them. But I'll say from my perspective. Obviously this was a shoe in for the list. I don't know if talked about it too much in previous videos, but for me, I found it ingenious because it took an approach that you don't really see ever in server throwing challenges you don't see it very often. You see a little bit more big brother, and he. Did it in the first season which obviously gonna have strange stigma too, because there's less strategy in the first place? Any did it purely for strategical reasons? Of course he threw the challenge. You didn't just fall off on intentionally, or give up. Many sorta gave up a give tactically whom. And I was looking it up, and I came across this, this. I'm not a mathematician, but it came across this term, and I was reminded partially. Thanks to Jeff Probst at the reunion show of survivor. Thailand, I don't know if you knew remember this or not, but he brought up. This is this reference to a dissertation written by. A Nash John Nash, and I don't know if you've seen this or not, but I was really intrigued by this because somebody had mentioned this, and I looked at up. It's basically the Nash equilibrium and it became relevant to Richard hatchets gays and I don't know if you knew about it, if you knew what he was doing. But it was essentially he knew that his best move was to throw the challenge, because the best moves of the other players were going. We're not gonna change Kelly had to eliminate Rudy really had to win the challenge. They were both taking rich to the final two either way written realized on going to the final two. So I don't wanna burn Rudy because I have to vote out Rudy, and Kelly is gonna take me and if I just if it's Kellyanne I in the finals, and in the final two of the immunity challenge with Rudy falling. I if he throws at that point, it's gonna look pretty bad and Rudy's is so he's trying to save jury vote, which ended up getting him the game. And I'm getting ready. Head of myself, I was just curious. What did you think about this? Well it's an increase. Move at incredible move for television, because it's such a historic Hella vision show that episode where over fifty million people are watching live, and there's so much invested in people really rooting for Rudy, and a lot of people like Kelly, and Richard has been the painted as the villain of the season. And there's this huge we've never seen this play out before. And then to have Richard Hake, his hand off of the post, but then to sort of sit there and I'll never forget, this Jeff Probst tried to tempt people to come down with aren't slice. It take a look at these orange slices. Like Kelly, wouldn't you like to have a piece of this orange like kind of like playing for a million dollars right now. And so, but then Richard's like he's like he's sitting there and he's eating the oranges and he just so matter of fact about everything is like, you know, just talking very openly about everybody's position in the game. And the worst case scenario for Richard would have been for him to win that challenge, and xactly to vote out Rudy because Rudy who valued loyalty above all else he was not going to vote for Richard if Richard was the person who took him out. So it was the best case scenario for Richard now, I don't believe he could have beaten Kelly, if she did not, you know, slip or give up herself, but just to have the awareness to be able to talk about the game on the, you know, the thirty nine day, I'm not sure it was eight thirty. Able to talk about the game and, and understand everything that was happening was incredible. Yeah. I thought you know, if you asked me to think of the top five moments, I would say Richard hatch, sitting there, talking about what he just did. I'll always have that ingrained in my mind. I use my Rolodex of survivor clips to go back to highlight important moments in the show's history. Youtube videos. I do that on a weekly basis. And I like I just know Richard's speech almost by heart and just listening. It's all a game. Odds, you know, I don't I can't guarantee anything will happen, but he's actually being a little bit facetious, because he knows that Kelly's best move her optimal move here is to win and to cut Rudy in this case. And he knows that early is best move is to win. He wins a million dollars, basically, to win if he wins the challenge in so he realizes at this point like he's the guy getting taken to the final two to hopefully be beaten, and he realizes that Rudy values loyalty more than anything else if he can't either with Rudy in the end he can't win the challenge. So he has to do the only thing that's in his best interest, and that is drop out, and it's just it's great to see him sit down and vocalise that I think, especially at the time in the history of the show when it was so young and the concept of doing, this was just so foreign, I think, to most of us, including probes himself, who was like why did you do that? Like what's going on? Man, like just out at the final three in, in now in this case, there's like fifty million people watching it, but it was doing something that was so beyond his time. And I just sort of think like, even then at the time, I don't even know if it was necessarily beyond his time, because most players, don't throw the final challenge. They try to win the final challenge to guarantee their spot in the final three or the final two. So even then Richard was making a play that I think was above and beyond what you normally would see on any season of the show. It just happened to be the first one Rudy had said, at least that season again during the stars that if anybody crossed him, they shouldn't do that, because, you know, I've got I've got friends and implying that there was going to be some sort of physical harm to anybody who betrayed Rudy. And I think what's interesting to note about Rudy in this case was he said his biggest regret. I think this was his final speech at the final trouble council was how he regretted him falling out of the challenge. It wasn't Richard volume. He just got up there. And he's like. Say just want to say, I regret not winning it, and it's like that's fascinating to me at least on a strategic level for Richard sake, because he didn't burn ready despite the fact that Probst wholesome recalls Richard out at the challenge and says you actually just sorta dog Riddy. They're like you just left him hanging. Now it's all in Rudy's hands to win this for you. Which is like loops? Well, good luck ready and really still voted for him. And his biggest regret was not like anything had do with Richard. It was just you put the put the weight on Rudy shoulders thought that that was another element to Richard move here that I found just worked out in his favourite ultimate lends itself to being one of the most ingenious moves. I think it was a show into for the list Mulia crime. If I didn't have it in this video. So yeah, it's one of my favorite things that we got to talk about. When Josh Wigan I did the evolution of strategy and just like talking through everything from that finale, and that and that. Moment. A huge moment where sometimes talking about this stuff is almost, like, you know, we're not talking about survivor almost like it's poetry. Yeah. And honestly, if you ask me, like I write poetry in college, and this was pretty poetic from as much as survivor can get poetic. I felt this was a pretty poetic moment in the history of the show considering we have thirty eight seasons now to sift through. But if you have anything more to say, we can keep going. Let's keep going. Okay. So I thought it was an interesting move to go from the first season. Let's go to let's go to the latest season. Okay. Ever Chris Android edge of extinction. So they're similar similar should hatch in interesting way. There isn't a ton of things here for Chris. I talk about with Chris resume, but I'm curious to see if he could figure out what I'm talking about with his most ingenious move here. Yes. He got voted out on day nine nobody else had ever thought of doing that. Yeah. Nobody ever thought of going to extinction and come back on day. Thirty five with a full belly of jury. I would say that it has to be him going into the final. Four fire making. Yeah, that's correct. Your two for two. That would be the move, of course. And you know as much as people, I know there's a big buzz about Kris having all these advantages going into the game. And to be fair. There was a lot of disadvantages to and some people would say, like Chris, giving up the immunity was like preordained like he had to do it. He was not that smart like nano. There is something spectacular about Kris putting himself in harm's way. Even if he had the blueprint, even if he knew it was other people at were on their mind. Chris Underwood choosing to give up his immunity necklace at the final four, basically pulling off the ballsy move this far with this fire making challenge that has been around for four seasons. Now, when I guessing it's going to be around for the rest of strivers lifespan, do you think I feel like it's going to run it scores. So okay, I have had I've thought about this, too. And I'm like if you ask me to bet I would I would probably say it's gonna stick around just because it feels like producers are probably stop. Enough to feel like it's worth it like they've gotten a lot out of it and they will continue with it despite outcry of lot of the fans or I don't know if it's like there's a big buzz with the bigger audience at large in the super fans obviously have a pulse on the super fans. What they think, but I, I don't know. Like I would obviously love for it to go away. I'm not really in favor of it. I made a video about it where I complained for like twenty minutes much. I don't know. There's a good. I think there's a better chance it will stay, but I agree with you. I think it I think we've seen everything we are. We have possibly see from it with, with Chris giving up in making this move here for its kinds, maybe the last of its kind. But yeah, I, I don't know. I think that what you saw like this was super exciting that, you know, Chris went into the final four fire making and then was able to go ahead and, and beat wreck. And ultimately go on to win the game. But I just wonder you know we had this. Big fan, favourite in Rick Devon's. Now, loses the final four fire may challenge and not every single fan. Favorite is going to be somebody who can win the final four fire making challenge. And even once upon time, did did Sirri lose final four fire, making challenge this she got screwed. She fan favorite captain sports Daniel de Lorenzo. Yeah. So I think that if we lose a couple of like big favorites now, because of the final four five me challenge, and maybe innocent air where they wouldn't have been voted out if it wasn't a final Rick Devon's would have been voted out either way at the final four.