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Bernie Back in the Day (With David Sirota, Jeff Weaver, and Chuck Rocha)

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33:00 min | 1 year ago

Bernie Back in the Day (With David Sirota, Jeff Weaver, and Chuck Rocha)

"Rebecca here now with my good friend shocked Roja. Today studio. Hey, jack. How are you? Casey. Fully prepared to lie. You to lead the rest of this interview, if you so desire, they Chuck, we know your big fisherman down there on the floor and all over the place down to Cuba fishing, tell us about your favorite fishing trip. Chuck the waves are rolling down here in south Florida today and people on the water they are getting out and going fishing. Personality. That's Jeff Weaver, and Chuck Rocha senior advisors to the Bernie twenty twenty campaign. Have you done radio because I know that Senator Sanders has history of doing radio being about with media having an album. No, you're never tempted. Anything? It's never too late face for radio. This teachers. Pitchers. If there is any better encapsulation of your personalities than that. I don't know what is this week. I'm talking to folks who knew Bernie way back when to get some insight into the man who's defined principally by his principles. This is here. The burn a podcast about the people ideas and politics that are driving the Bernie Sanders twenty twenty campaign and the movement to secure a dignified life for everyone living in this country. My name is Briana joy gray coming to you this time from campaign headquarters in Washington DC for this week's episode. I chatted with David Sirotta an investigative journalist who was known Senator Sanders for twenty years, and it was the first person ever to hold the title Bernie Sanders speechwriter. But I I talked to senior adviser Jeff Weaver solo about the thirty plus years. He's known the Senator Chuck joins us about halfway through. So I met Bernie back in the spring of nineteen eighty six I had been thrown out of college for anti-apartheid protesting kicking around in Vermont, and he was running for governor as an independent he was mayor of Burlington. And I called down to the campaign headquarters and guiding Phil for monta also recently, retired longtime Bernie guy came to meet with me, and I I should have known something was wrong because when he left I was the county coordinator for gubernatorial campaign in Vermont having no campaign experience whatsoever. Anyway, I was staffing Bernie at dairy festival something we haven't Vermont. My job was to sort of hand him. Hold assign Bernie sign on a stick. And hand him these buttons Bernie buttons, which he would go around and offer folks at the dairy festival and every place outs. So anyway, he seemed we seem to hit it off and a couple of days later, he called me and said, hey, would you like to work a couple of days a week in Burlington, and that was nineteen Eighty-six? And here we are today. When you say we seem to hit it off. Do you? Remember what it was about your interaction that kind of gelled? I sort of had a good sense of what he needed when you needed it. Like Wendy need a button. You know? I was not. I was not. Yeah. I know. I I was very mission oriented, and I think he appreciated that. So they knew got on board with a campaign. Did can you tell us what that was like? Yes. So it was a very small campaign. Let's say that there was two of us. I drove Bernie around mostly and I was paid in mileage. That's how I was paid essentially volunteer getting mileage let's be clear, and he and I would just drive around the state. I lived about thirty miles north of where Bernie lived in. Burlington Burlington, and I would pick them up at about seven thirty in the morning. So I would leave my house about seven get their seven thirty and dropping back off at his house at eleven thirty or twelve at night and drive half an hour north in the next morning picking back up at seven thirty off. We'd go again day after day after day after day. This is really resonating with me because I also met and spoke for the first time to Bernie Sanders on a long car ride. A three hour trip. I reporting to went on on which I wrote in the car with them from Memphis, Tennessee to Jackson Mississippi to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of Martin Luther King's assassination around this time last year, and I didn't hand on any buttons or facilitate way, but it appears to have gone well. Very mission oriented. Maybe. So I think that what is really curious to a lot of listeners. Probably is that because Bernie himself is so message oriented, there's almost this reluctance at teams for him to talk about his personal life and four ground those things that some other candidates tend to for reasonable reasons. Pure affable to appear relatable Brady doesn't do that. And I think that that's frankly, part of his charm that he seems so committed to ideals as opposed to kind of persona but still even acknowledging that's the case there is this like mysterious nece about him. I think and so I think people want to know from you, you know, who is Bernie Sanders. What is he like when he's relaxed behind closed doors not needing to evangelize about better care for all? You know, what's the small talk like between you, and you should know I work for at eighty six eight and ninety when he won one for congress. Down with him. Then over the course of that those three campaigns. I calculated one time that I had spent the quivalent of three hundred sixty five twenty four hour days with Bernie in the car. So he, and I have spent a lot of time in the car together. He is in some ways, very different and some ways not different. So there's a lot of conversation about politics, and what's going on up? But he also has incredibly dry sense of humor, which we really hit it off in that way. We used to think called honk Amenia and hawker mania was when we had time in the schedule would stop at the busiest intersection and in Vermont, some of those intersections we're not too busy. But there were some busy intersections and we get out. I would hold a sign, and then we would he would wave at the cars and what we turned into a game. Because I, you know, not too many people knew him. But then as he was getting more famous people wave, and what have you give us other signs, sometimes not positive? I remember the time we were mooned by guy in the. Five corners nessa junction, though. It's pretty funny. But so we started only counting honks, and we will have our own competition where over like a four five minute period, we would count the number of honks that we would get from cars when you'd get start to get this flurry. This sort of crescendo of honks Bernie would scream out in this sort of dramatic drawn outweigh honk mania. So I know what you were exactly doing to try to elicit these honks. So I I wasn't doing much. I would hold the sign and Bernie would wave and he would he would almost try to catch people's like personal attention and wave to get a response back from them. But we didn't want just waves because we didn't count those because we were getting too many waves. It had to be a honk honk, right? Yeah. And it's the name your purest. You know every game has rules. And that was those are the rules of honcker media honks only haka mania a lot in eighty six and eighty eight. It was a good good year. Those are the good years we were in our hunk menia prime. You're someone who has dealt with the comic world who has a comic business comic selling business, you obviously engage with pop culture, you're out here with these William Shatner, Boston legal references. I mean, do you in the Senator ever talk about movies or TV or does he have a favorite band? Yeah. What we've talked about comic books, actually, really. Yeah. He and his brother used to collect comic books when they were in New York is he a marvel or DC guy guy. Well, that could be you know, back in the day was because it was not marvel. I don't know how far down this rabbit hole. You wanna go, but it was timely before there was marvel, and he was definitely DC guy indefinitely. He's answered this question many times publicly the superman vs. Batman question. Definitely superman. Batman or superman. Snow cushion, superman, all the way, right? Why see much more powers because batmans the rich? This to be vigilante superman is the interplanetary orphan. You know, seemingly powerless, but you know, actually being of great power. And you think that resonates for Bernie Sanders for particular reason, I don't I don't know. I saw program one time where they analogize superman to the sort of FDR new deal coming into break up local corruption. I don't know if that's true or not. But maybe that's resonated. It's hard to without feeling. I think invasive to try to get to the core of what another person is like right like as an who's your friend. You don't wanna be disclosing things that they've chosen obviously, not to disclose. But I wonder how you feel about burnish choice not to foreground his personal life. And whether there have been moments where you felt like he should do more of that the issue with Bernie this initiative bring has the media, actually, which he expresses publicly often the ideas that he expresses. I mean now the very popular anniversary Medicare for all seemingly everybody's for free tuition. A public colleges universities and so on and so forth. Right. But for. Sologub decades and decades and decades he was one of the only voices on these issues. And I think he really did not want to what in his view would have been waste time that he has with people talking about himself when he could be talking about these particular issues, and you know, given his success. Maybe he was right. I think that's right. I perhaps subscribed to of the spoonful of sugar philosophy where I do a little pub culture until Lena's can help the medicine. Go down. I, you know, I know I agree with that. I agree with that. But I do think that you know, he does think take these issues very seriously. I was has and does feel like there is not enough discussion of them broadly speaking in that, he he sort of alone has to fill that void many ways when you met you said you had just been kicked out of college for a part protesting. Can you tell me a little bit more about that? Sure. So you know, this was in the eighties. And it was very busy time. I was in Boston Boston. Which of that time with the president of the university was a far right wing guy named John Silber. There was a lot of anti-apartheid activity. He he in fact was a supporter of the apartheid regime, frankly, kind of unapologetic. And so we try to build a Channy town, which was a common sort of protest activity in that time period and most universities when students built a shantytown lived in it. They would just leave it up and knew that over some period of time it would go away. So they, but that was not Boston diversity. So soon as we started putting two pieces of wood together. The Boston University police were there. They arrested a bunch of people. I was not initially arrested, and then a bunch of his block the police cars that had our counterparts in it. And then we were then we were arrested. And actually, I knew a lot of the police officers. I worked at a local movie theater, and they did security after hours there. So I knew many of them I was it was a little bit of a small time operation on their part. They're in out of handcuffs, then and zip ties I was I was zip. Tide, but my friend with me in the back of the police car was not he was just trusted on his own McConnell. Let's say he was not at that time. I was young smoker. I asked if I could smoke in the backseat and he said fine. So my friend held my cigarette in the back of the police drove to police say, so you were you were like British enters a young person with very kind of fully foreign politics. It seems he was who was acting on your beliefs in a way that a lot of don't do at least until we get a little bit older. And I'm curious whether that something that you in Tanner's talked about or bonded over when I men Vermont. So, you know, we talked about it some he did not I did not know the full extent of his own sort of civil rights background at that particular time. In fact, I learned a lot more about it in two thousand sixteen along with the rest of America. Because despite all the time we spent together really was not. I mean, he mentioned a few times. But it was not a deep topic of conversation. Interesting. Yeah, he's not really boastful in that sort of way. That's really not his. Style. You know, that was obviously a pivotal moment for him in his life. He's also spoken more recently about you know, his Jewish heritage. And the impact of the holocaust on his family and himself emotionally. Father came from Poland at the age of seventeen without a nickel in his pocket without knowing one word of English. He came to the United States to a scape. The crushing poverty that existed in his community and to escape widespread anti-semitism, and it was a good thing that he came to this country because virtually his entire family was wiped out by Hitler and Nazi barbarism all of us. Learn more about Bernie, and I think it's good. But I don't think I don't think he's ever going to move away from being a person whose primary focus talking about policies that affect other people and not talking about himself. I want to bring in check Rocha another campaign senior adviser and talk to you a little bit about your experiences. With more recently on these last couple of camping. You're also senior adviser, can you tell people who might not be as with your your background a little bit about yourself. My background is pretty simple grew up in east, Texas like every other redneck around east, Texas, what they don't realize what a lot of your listeners won't realize is that sound like a really old white man from east Texas when I'm actually Mexican from east, Texas, my mother's actually white my father's family's from one. What Mexico father left at a young age in my mother's father. My grandfather who me and Jeff always talk about who was my Pap all raised me. So I was raised on a working farm. So I got to envision America in probably the most holistic way of any young man because I was raised a generation ago by grandfather who drove a tractor every day who worked in the fields every day. And those values is what I still hope close to me every day. And it's actually the values that drew me to Bernie Sanders for the very first time somebody who works with their hands. Somebody who's been out there me and Jeff couldn't be. From more different parts of the country literally on each end of the country. But we're so similar because we grew up in such rural areas with such humble beginnings. And that's what drove him to Bernie Sanders. That's what made me be a part of Bernie Sanders and being being able to be a senior adviser with Jeff is like coming back home because you get to work with your family. You get to work for a value set that you really believe in. I just wanna cut into note that Chuck got into politics via his union a path. Fewer and fewer people are taking as union membership is down from a high of nearly thirty five percent of all wage and salary workers and nineteen fifty four to just eleven percent today note that there is a direct relationship between low union membership and the share of income which is going to the top ten percent. I would work in a factory when I was nineteen joined the union by happenstance because everybody else did got active in the union became an officer my local union when I was twenty two when onto. Become the national political director of one of the biggest industrial unions in North America. The steel workers, and that was the best job I ever had while left ten years ago to start my own firm. I want to ask you how long ago, did you meet Bernie, Bernie always loves to tell the story that it was in a Chinese restaurant fifteen years ago, when I was the political director, and I was with the international president of the union, and he said this to me just like three weeks ago in a private meeting him and me and him were having like remember when I met we're in Chinese restaurant. He always going to Chinese restaurant because we were talking about probably about trait probably about trying to save some annual facturing jobs. That's normally what we were talking about him because he was such a champion for us, and he'd been a champion for our union. So we would go to burning have these private conversations to kinda strategize. How we could save these American manufacturing jobs, and he always would have input. But I was a young political director didn't know who Bernie Sanders was probably could have found Vermont on a map. And he was just he we kind of we had a special connection at least. That's what he tells me. Always close to birdie. He's like, I remember you then and he said you were good then and you're good now. I'm like that. Do you ever anything about why you think as you guys hit it off because he reminds me of my grandfather? My grandfather was the strongest man, I knew he was a slight man anybody who knows me for thirty seconds. I'm this big overgrown stress Mexican, but my father, my grandfather was this little white man who was tougher than me was stronger than me was meaner than me. He he could pick two rows of peace to my one. And I was a seventeen year old. Boy, that's the way. I look at Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders is twice my age, but outworked me everyday has more energy than I will ever have. And I think that was the was the was the draw with like how does this man shell flatter yourself? He's not twice your age. Older than me. But not. Get work having gotten such big personalities in the recording studio. I couldn't resist asking Chuck and Jeff for some of their best Bernie stories from back in the day. But as it turns out, the really isn't a public and private Bernie, what you see is largely what you get people think that the that somebody who's been a successful and popular to be honest. His Bernie Sanders is he would be different than he is. But he's really not. He's even more home any comes across on stage. I was with him and Jeff was on this trip with me in Las Vegas to speak to the machinists union just a couple of weeks ago when we were headed back to the airport, we elect three hours and Bernie again to the food thing. He's like we should get something to eat before we go to the airport and you're in Las Vegas, right? You're the most the best food in the world of the best chefs in world, I'm like, oh my gosh. We're going to get a fancy hamburger somewhere. Like that's going to be really good. Like, maybe we could find out. Vegas, and we're now googling the nearest which Vegas. Just. So you know is only about a mile from the airport on the backside of the Las Vegas strip again in the middle of a strip mall. So we won't into the Bernie Sanders rolling again at ten people deep in people again Bernie Sanders. So they were so kind of people waiting they found us a table set. But the the thing that all of us have seen happen on the road with him. As the first thing is the manager comes over. Thank you for coming in. Bernie's very humble. Yeah. Orders to eggs, two pieces of toast, two pieces of bacon. Like, it's just that's what he wanted to have her well done well done. Don, you know, paying? Yeah. But then the people from the back, right? Like the folks you're working. That's who Bernie wants to talk when they come out he more so than the manager who he respected, and it showed a lot of commonality with. But when the workers comes out he lights up to Jeff's point he wants to hear from. That's where he wants to hear the stories, right? And people are talking to him on his way out there saying that they caucus for him last time, which music consultant excuse me, ask you more questions on how to run a little focus group. Right, but Marnie just wants to interact. He wants that one on one communication with regular people to regular jobs who feel like my granddaddy who've been forgotten about. It was heartening to hear that perspective from two people who had known Bernie Sanders for so long that the authenticity. We all love is consistent, and perhaps even deeper than we imagine. We were looking at all the space. I remember walking into offices all over the northern Virginia. Places trying to find a place for a hip, right. And after the third building to just credit because he knows the Senator heat to Saudis. All of these places are just way too. We do not need a campaign offices got marble and the four year. He's like the Senator will not like this. He goes, can you tell the real estate we won't level c or d buildings? No as are Bs, and how does that was the best thing ever? But I was curious to talk to David Sirotta to somewhat different perspective. It's one thing to work alongside a person. But it's another to try to capture his voice as a speechwriter that requires a perceptiveness, a kind of close study, the most of us don't apply to the everyday people in our lives. What I wondered how David gleaned both is professional capacity and in his personal relationship with the Senator over the last couple of decades. Our toll people that Bernie is not like. Ron burgundy from anchorman. I mean, you know, that scene in one of my favorite movies where they say don't put it that on the on the teleprompter because he'll read anything off the teleprompter. Like that is not Bernie Sanders. That is not our speechwriting process. Bernie, still writes, his speeches. I mean, I in some ways the title speechwriter is a little bit of a misnomer in that. It's like speech supporter like speech helper. What I try to do is. We have a set of speeches on this. Or that issue? I try to get him the information that he needs that he's going to put into his own voice. I try to get it into his voice. But he's got a very unique voice. He knows exactly how he wants to say things. So I'm there to help get the research and the material that he needs to to put into his voice. And the thing is that his speech is if you listen to them, they are very fact driven mean, it's not it's not. A lot of rhetorical flourish. It's this is almost it's not not exactly a research paper. But like here are literal facts that that I'm telling you about the country, and in a sense. It's actually what we call in journalism. It's showing not talent. And I think that that's what he's really focused on. It's been successful for him a little bit about when you first met. Senator Sanders way relationship started shirt, it was the year nineteen ninety nine. So I was basically just out of college. I worked on a couple of campaigns. And I had sent a resume a bunch of resumes around the Capitol Hill and back, then they wouldn't tell you who you were applying to they would do these ads in in like roll call and the hill, and they say, they would describe a congress person, they would say, you know, northeastern democrat or western Republican or whatever. And and I remember I saw semi resume all over Capitol Hill to a bunch of different offices. And I get a call from Jeff Weaver, and he says I'm calling from congressman Bernie Sanders office. And I was remember thinking in my mind, wait a minute. I don't remember thinking that I had a I I don't not sure who that is like an and and then I looked up and he was the independent self described democratic socialist from Vermont, and I said, wait a minute. I thought I had only applied to democratic offices. And then I looked back at the ad, and he had it was described as a I think it was a progressive northeastern member wasn't a democratic northeastern member. So I go in I meet with Jeff Weaver to be honest after I met with Bernie, and it was a great meeting the night before I I they offered me the job and the night before I took the job. I remember thinking what's it gonna be like to work for a self described democratic socialist in congress is going to be, you know. How is he going to be able to work with the Democrats? And is it going to be, you know, super isolating? And and I will say it was it, you know, I kind of got over my fears and went to work for him. It was one of the best experiences of my whole life because working in the congress for an independent like Bernie is a completely unique experience in that. You're you get to see the congress, and how it works from somebody who is something of an outsider as opposed to a just standard party guy. The whole offices attitude was different. I mean, we worked when I was there we worked with very conservative members of congress. We work with very progressive. Members of congress Bernie was seen as somebody who worked well with other members of congress, but also was seen as somebody who could forge these left right coalitions. There were a bunch. of articles in his twenty sixteen campaign that were written about how he became what was called the the amendment king of the house, which was where he would do these coalitions where he would have very conservative Republicans and very progressive Democrats coming together on a transpartisan issue in in a in a way that there was there was really no party. So for example, the bus trips to Canada, I was on. I think it was the first said he was the first bus trip that a member of congress did to Canada with with constituents to go purchase lower priced prescription drugs. And that was an issue in which we had very conservative Republicans who are super free trade people with us working with us on that drug importation issue with very progressive members of congress that was a good example of that some people have caught onto the fact that he's talking more about his personal story. And I think that's a really important thing to do. In that. I think it's important for the public to know that he's not a machine it's not a robot that what he is. For comes out of a lived experience like me, David Rohde worked as a journalist before joining the campaign, but not everyone has been super excited about. So I wanted to pick his brain about that transition and how he's handled the media response moving out of journalism to come back to work for Bernie Sanders. Twenty years after I had worked for him was a difficult decision for me because I knew that I was leaving behind a set of skills that I had worked really hard to try to become good at which is investigative journalism. And I think the reason I decided ultimately to do it was that I think that the country in the world is in a place right now facing crises right now that the most. Direct action possible to solve those crises is absolutely positively necessary. In an immediate sense because of things like climate change and the economic crisis and that given the opportunity to work in a very direct way on those things was worth the sacrifice of leaving journalism to be clear. Not to say the journalism isn't addressing those crises. But for me personally, this was an even more direct way to do it. And I did it. And I, you know, some people criticize me for that. I I knew that was just a few people criticize me for that. But you know, what I don't have any regrets. I mean, do I miss journalism every now and again? Yes, do I like him criticized all the time because I went back toward for Bernie Sanders. No, I don't I don't like that. But you know, what I have young kids who are relying on us to actually solve the problems that threaten their future. And so if that's the price of of me trying to help with that. 'cause then that's the price we pay. I feel very similarly I I don't obviously have the lengthy career that I was offering kind of up on the pyre as it were. But you know, what? What I reflected on with the fact that I was only a writer because I had started writing in response to the political context of twenty sixteen. I was an attorney sitting at my desk tweeting to my one hundred followers about how angry I was. And how it was being erased because I'm a black woman being called a Bernie, bro and told that I'm literally a fake person out about a white person that I'm a Russian Bob and all these things, and then I started to write about that experience. And write about the way identity was being weaponized at that point of time, and then those articles took off, and so the idea that at this point, you know, I was writing because of Bernie bias. We'll like I'm an opinion writer, and my political perspective, which is that I am supporter of left politics has always been playing, and there's this new kind of a non with with Twitter with people's personal politics kind of being out there more, particularly in the opinion writing realm, where there's an argument that I think that I believe in which says everyone has. Icees, and there's a certain honesty to people being upfront about their politics that readers have an opportunity to judge as they will how to credit the fact that you're laying out for them. But for my personal decision making was to say, if you're only MS because you're real agenda isn't to be a writer, or to you know, to have any career path, but to advance left politics because of the exigent circumstances that we live in that you just described will then how could I not do anything and everything I could to advance this project? So I'm certainly glad that you're here the way to put it the way I put it is that going from journalism into the kind of politics that we're working in now is not a conflict of interest. It's an alignment of interest. Why are you? Why was I in journalists expose injustice? It was to expose corruption. It was to expose unfairness and to exposed a rigged system. So this campaign. Is in some ways a traditional political campaign running for an office? But it is a campaign about exposing Craciun about challenging economic injustice. I don't think it's kind of like a like a u-turn or a betrayal just part of the work that's being done. And I would agree with you on the other point, which is that. You're right. Everybody has opinions. Everybody has biases. Nobody is objective. The minute. A newspaper says this is the story we're going to cover and we're not going to cover this story. That is a subjective opinion decision. I didn't hide the fact that I had worked for Bernie Sanders, and I was a journalist. And I guess my point is is that look ultimately the question is whether you're in politics journalism. Why are you in politics? Are you in there to see your byline in lights are you in there too? You know, one day get some Bray job, you think will make you feel good in it to actually solve the problems the emergencies that are at hand. And I think that's what this campaign is really all about. And I think that's what. Bernie Sanders has been all about, and I I really don't think there's actually much of an argument that that's not true. That's it for this week. Let us know what you think at here. The burn at Bernie Sanders dot com. Or tweet with the hash tag here the birth. If you haven't already please take a moment to rate in review as on apple podcast soundcloud, or wherever you're listening as always transcripts will be up soon till next week. Well, about the graphic it per it is the way you feel you know, like people were black because they're not feeling good about what's going on around them. Like some of the. Some of the stuff that goes on in the body. You know, basically baloney will thank you very much the your forthright views.

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Ep. 279 - Jeff Weaver

The Axe Files with David Axelrod

1:03:01 hr | 2 years ago

Ep. 279 - Jeff Weaver

"And now from the university of Chicago institute of politics and CNN the axe files with your host, David Axelrod. Jeff Weaver, we grew up in tiny, Vermont town near the Canadian border, became a household name, at least in politics in two thousand and sixteen as a campaign manager for his old friend and client Bernie Sanders. He's written a book about that experience called how Bernie one inside the revolution that's taken back our country and where we go from here and where where he goes from here and where Bernie Sanders goes from here was one of the things we talked about when he came by the institute of politics last week and sat down with me. But they had can't Cambridge Analytica. They had. They did. They did. They did absolutely tens of millions of dollars in the background. Absolutely. But. They also got. Millie, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars of free television exposure he twice as much as she got. Yeah, she got twice in the primaries. It was overwhelming. I mean, part of it was they claimed if you talk to people at CNN or elsewhere, they'll say, you know, we offered the same opportunity to other people. They didn't take advantage of it. I don't believe that I could tell you stop Selena, true. I remember election nights, you know that when they were still a bunch of Republicans and Bernie and Hillary and you know, we everybody tried to stagger their election night speeches in order to seventy gets covered. Right? And they said, we just want you all to know that if Trump comes out, right, we're cutting truck. You know, this is the thing. I mean at some level. And he knows this and he cynically manipulates. Media, you know, the news business is a business. I mean, there is a trust associated with it and the people try and balance it. But anyway, we can talk about all this, Michelle wolf at the at the Washington correspondents' dinner. I was there the camera to me because at the end she says, I know you all say you hate Trump, but I think you really love him because he sells your newspapers and sells advertising on TV and the Roma silent except for me in the cameras to me and that she was absolutely right, totally, totally. In keeping with your your image and your and your style and your history. It was true. It was. She added that on. I mean, he was immediate creation and then they tried to kill him afterwards, you know? Yeah, yeah. Well. The truth is he's still paying off like a slot machine for them. Yeah. So you know you, you're in there. I mean, the political. I was talking to bunch of reporters before the election general show, and they're like, well, when I'm going to doing after, you know the political departments get winnow down after the general election, of course they're bigger than ever. Right? I mean, well, and as you say, they're going to start with, you know, the mid terms have taken on this disproportionately important disproportionate importance and then you're right into, you know, it never stops in never repetitive beleaguered voter. Yeah, right, exactly. Samuel in the driver seat today. I Sam. This Jeff Weaver. I will do an introduction later. Some just going to jump right in short and you're going to have to bear with me because some the show is partly by graphical impart contemporaneous and I read somewhere that you you don't like talking about yourself? I'm not. I'm not a Greg. I mean, I like I'm like Bernie in that way. Yes. Yeah. Go ahead. It's fine. I'll all with when he was here. Who for my first ever show he? He was pretty good. Actually. We talked about Brooklyn, the dodgers leaving. And yeah, no, no, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah, of course, absolute. My favorite was at the end of that show said to him, you two thousand kids waiting for you at the university and five hundred more in an overflow room. And I said, you are the most unlikely rockstar, then he said, just don't talk to me about those selfish. I hate those selfies. We're walking from dinner last night and Union Station. He was getting. Oh, Bernie. Sanders can have a selfie selfie. When they don't want Selby's anymore. That's when the problem. Yeah. Well, did you tell me. All right. Jeff Weaver, welcome here and welcome to the institute of politics. It's good to see you again, you come from as probably as close to being in Canada's one Katom. Tell me about Saint Albans, Vermont. Yes. So SAM's Vermont. Well, change a lot since I was a kid, it's was a conservative democratic area had more cows than people. I went to high school with substantial number of people who spoke French at home as a first language and your your your folks. Were y'all original French Canadian? Absolutely. Absolutely. My mother's maiden name of champagne. Exactly. So that's good. And that's French Canadian. So, yeah, you know those days the border was, you know, we talk about open borders. These days when I grew up the border with Quebec was basically an open border. You could drive back and forth waving being waved through. So there was a lot of a lot more interaction across the board than the than than there is now, certainly, but and you, Dan ran a pet shop, but added a pet shop. He did a bunch of jobs, but he his final job in life is having a pet store in insane Alban's which he loved very much. Also, he worked for many years that a utility as a late night, the person who called when your power went out, he would dispatch the trucks for folks. So it was a nice place to grow up. I mean, was obviously homogeneous in some ways. There were two Catholic church Irish Catholic church on the hill and a French Catholic church below the diverse. It was diverse and Irish Catholics. You know the, the major minority was Methodist. And I read somewhere that years later when you were working with Bernie Sanders, he was in your town and feel fielding oppress collar something in your dad's pet shop while the cockatoos were holdings four, three Ming, and the, you know, those as there was no cell phone. So when you wanted to call somebody, you had to find a telephone. So we went to my father's a pet store and he had this giant very beautiful cockatoo and it was screaming in the background, the AP reporter in montpelier the capital was said, Bernie, where are you? Sounds like you're in the jungle somewhere. I also remember driving with Bernie from one town to another late for a live radio show, and we were desperately looking for a payphone as the host is on the air saying, I don't know where mayor Sanders is, where could he be? No self had just a very different world in those. Yeah, I'll say I'll say, I'm sure there are days when he probably misses those those those days. Yeah, every every politician of a certain age probably does. There was kind of charm to that when you had a few moments to collect your thoughts. Before being thrown in the mail stream now? That's right. I mean, now you get in the car and it's just another period of work, right? This phone calls and as you know, you know, sometimes multiple cell phones being passed to a candidate back and forth, and there just is no sort of down time to write or thinker get your bearings know you. Were you deeply interested in politics as a kid? I was not deeply interested in politics as a kid. I was interested into political theory as a kid became sort of politicized when I was at Boston University. As in undergraduate school, I became involved. I in a Soviet jewelry movement, and then in the anti-apartheid movement, why in the Soviet jewelry movement, I was a Russian area studies major at the time and I had met, you know, there were a number of Jewish students said to be you and I became involve, I was convinced to go down to a annual lobby. They had in a d c. at that time to lobby members of congress, on behalf of Soviet jewelry and had Geog. Griffey professor who heard I was going and she said, I have a friend, I would like you to meet. And I met this woman and her mother was still in the Soviet Union, and but was there weren't letting her leave. And I brought her case actually to Pat Lahey Vermont Senator exactly. And he raise it with Soviet officials and she was ultimately released was sort of early that's gratifying to me of political political activism, paying off. And then I was arrested in anti-apartheid protests at BU in Unser modestly unceremoniously asked to leave. And that's what I meant matter with Bernie Sanders. In the summer of you, you said shantytowns. We did. We did other schools. Other schools were doing. It seemed to go fine view that was John sober. I don't. If you remember John who went onto the career in politics? Yes, yes. In the Torius right wing anyway, he, he was not going to tolerate that, and we were well, there was an also you hung banners out of your? I did. I did. We. They tried to throw us out of the dorms, the Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts represented us in court, and we won actually that we one actually that case. They said there was no institution, Massachusetts had more civil rights violations. Our civil liberties violations lodged against it than Boston University under John sober than why did the why did the apart anti-apartheid movement so sees you so that so much so that cost to your your your place was such a clear and compelling example of injustice in the world. You know here you had just a brutal regime that was keeping down the vast majority of people in that country, obviously along racial lines. And you know, Boston University, John sober was a big fan of Ronald Reagan, and he was bringing speakers, you know, you wouldn't call them pro apartheid speakers, but there were certainly apologised for tied speakers onto campus and it was. It was just it just, you know, move me very much that. Institution that I was paying a lot of money to was involved in in supporting that regime, you know, and be you had that time were number of departments. The international relations department had strong relations with the contra rebels in Central America was eventually scandal at the communication school involving the CIA sending students there to be trained as journalists, and then sending them to a foreign countries to join news organizations and report back, you know, stuffed on the UPI and others. So you know, be you at that point was really sort of had become sort of hob of far-right intelligencia and was being used in that way to build credibility for people who would then support that kind of agenda around the world. And it was very disturbing. One of the ways you cleansed yourself was to go back and work for socialist mayor Burlington right for governor yet running for governor at that time, right as as an independent against Madeleine Kunin who was in the middle of her first to your term when. Bernie announced and for the record. Lincoln was one of the few Democrats, Vermont in two thousand sixteen who supported Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders, which was a small minority of people. Vermont is the only state during the during the primary process where once candidates swept all of the delegates. So that was certainly a minority position so, but back in eighty six. What was it that that drew you to to Bernie? Well, I, you know, I had been corrigo radicalized at undergraduate school and I came back home again to this sort of sleepy place, and I was looking for, you know, what am I gonna do now kicked out of college, right? I don't have a job and you know he was running and I call down to his office to see if I can help out and guiding. Phil from auntie came up who's been a friend of mine. Now for decades came up and then should have been my first warning David. By the time he left. My house. I was the county coordinator campaign with absolutely no political experience whatsoever seemed good at the time. But in hindsight, said about a warning Sam know about him at this cockatoo Sieber exactly Bernie at an event when he came, I staffed a minute event. He came up to in in Franklin county, and you know, we, I guess we hit it off and he called me up and said, can you come down to work and Burlington a couple of days a week, and it's been, I don't know how many years is that now thirty years since then how which, which is the greatest thing in in politics. When you have these long term, relationships were of trust where you you really know how someone thinks. Absolutely. What. What was it then? What? What do you recall about your initial interactions with? I mean, I I will tell you that the impression of him generally is that he believes deeply in what he believes in completely sincerely doesn't have a whole lot of time for kind of social niceties. He's got more important things on his mind. Right. And I try, I assume you, it's like that. Yeah, he wasn't. You don't some ways. You know, we were going around the state and he was, you know, he would meet with small groups of people, eight, ten people, you know, far cry from the thirty thousand get a person crowds. He had twenty sixteen, but you know some ways that there were some Larry's because at that point he was mayor Burlington, not that well known or that itself was a national story when race. Absolutely. Because he he was. He was clearly on the. Left Iran came out of nowhere. You know, not up machine, machine politician in Burlington, but outside the Burlington, Burlington, Vermont, Burlington, you'll look at as a small city, but in Vermont, Burlington's the big city, right? And so among rural people and small town, people Burlington's looked at what at that time was looked at as sort of like the big city. And so people know really what to make of him outside of Burlington. So yet a lot of work to do a truth matters. He ended up being very popular with rural people in particular, I think who appreciated his sincerity and understood that he was, you know, believe what he said. You know, let me ask you question about that because he did my very first acts files, two hundred seventy seven shows ago and who's counting David? Well, you know, I like to have a little meter on my desk, but and one of the things that talked about was was guns. And I asked him and I actually really appreciated his candor said, if you were representing Brooklyn where you grew up rather than for my, would your position be have been different on on guns because he had been sort of moderate on the issue. And he said, probably so, yeah, although gotta tell you in Vermont, you know, his position, Vermont, particularly in the eighties when he was running for trying to run for congress, you know, it was really very because they're very, extremely left's. You know, Howard Dean had an a plus rating from the NRA throughout his entire career. He would never have touched guns with a ten foot pole burning Eighty-eight. We ran for congress and lost by three points, and he was the again, running as an independent, the both democrat and Republican, both pledged that they would not ban assault weapons, and he was, he said, no, I will. I will ban weapons ninety eight. And so you know there's in, you know, of course, presidential campaign is a lot of nuance gets lost as you well know as people try to paint you with broad brushstrokes. But the truth matter is, is that in Vermont, certainly Bernie was way out front in terms of the assault, weapons ban head of everybody. I mean, there are other issues I'm not. I'm not really making another. That he, you know, you are elected to represent your state and plainly the fact that the state there was a large world population, lots of hunters and so on, right? He clearly talked to folks about that that inform some he, he hadn't. He, he had a nuance position on the issue. The the thing is that in the times in which we live, it's hard to have a nuance position on that on that issue. I mean after propo- like where I grew up, you know many people's homes. You will go into the limit room. One of the major sort of pieces of furniture is the glass gun gunky gun virus six guns in it. There's the initiatives lying on the shelf below and no one thinks anything about it. Note anybody think that would be something that you would take us for some nefarious purposes just, yeah, one of the things you have. Yeah. I mean, you know, the thing that. The thing that's so difficult is how do we get the have, how do we have a reason discussion on this? You know Obama's had a debate when he was in the state Senate with a rural, a rural legislator, and he said, you know, I know. I think I've said this here before, but I know that. You know, you grew up with guns and your dad took you out at dawn hunting and his dad did the same. This, you know, big part of of your of your life and of your of what what is is typical in your communities? In my community, though I've got parents who wait by the window anxiously hoping that their kids don't get shot on the way home. And he said there has to be a way to to to to protect your traditions and our and the children in my area, and he's right about that. We ought to be able to have, but we can't. We can't because of well, frankly, because of the way the issue has been weaponized. And here you know, I'm sure people because it has people who if there are people listening on the right here, they would say, well, weaponized by a gun control advocates, but really the NRA is kind of an industry now. Yeah, absolutely. And they speak for an industry. I mean, they really, you know. They they, they have weaponized this issue on behalf of the gun industry shrouded in in in, you know, intimations about autocracy and the overweening government. And yeah, let me let's be clear. The NRA has become, you know, an adjunct Republican party. There's no. I mean, it is a wildly partisan organization. I mean, I remember when Bernie I got elected to the house of representatives. There were a lot of much many more rural Democrats, right? And the views on on gun legislation within the Democratic Party was was much more diverse in terms of positioning and it was much urban rural now it's completely a partisan issue, right? And Republicans, you know, use it to try to beat up Democrats. It's interesting to see how this if in how this issue evolves, it feels like that parkland shooting was a bit of a watershed. We'll see how certainly in suburban areas the issue has has changed, but so have suburban voter? Yes. So you you ultimately did go back to college at the university of Vermont, I did. Yes. Between campaigns Bernie, I work with burn eighty six where he was not successful in running for governor. I work with an eighty, ran for congress loss by three points and then a ninety. He came back and had a rerun against the Republican who had beaten him two years earlier, and he won in nineteen ninety nine. I came down to DC with him. Yeah, says a lot about your relationship that you lost all these races and he still wanted you back. Yeah, right, right. Well, it wasn't you know, at that you know those campaigns were very different than what what I understand now like a modern campaign, they were very, you know, Bernie a lot of the quote unquote running of the campaign. It was a very few people. The Madame money was, you know, I look back on it very, very little. Although other we ran TV advertising, certainly eighty eight ninety. Payment that expensive in Verma. Not that in than not that expensive. I'm sure the as were homemade, and so there was no production expensive, very little. So it was, you know, now I'm gonna make wardrobe. Exactly. But at. So you went down and you, you also you, you attended law school. Did you do that while you went down? I did. I don't tell people Georgetown Cassini tell you can't work while you're going to law school, but I to late now, I would work on the your work on the hill and Georgia lost goes on on Capitol Hill. So I would leave the hell to go to class and then go back, go back to the hill. So I, I was, I did was okay with Bernie. Yeah, it was. I mean, yes, I just want, you know, class time isn't that much yet the the, you're studying at night and then my after my second year, I did a summer tour traditional summer associate gig at a firm and my that I left Bernie's office and worked at that firm for three or you left out one significant part of your biography. How's your own brief campaign as a candidate? I was actually Canada twice Iran, Iran, for alderman. Insane all in Saint Albans in the most conservative ward in the city in three race didn't do well. And then I ran for mayor of that city following in the footsteps of the man himself. Well, that's what my Ponant were saying. Yeah. And. I got forty percent of the vote. My opponent had the doors on both parties. I was twenty four one, the sort of working class side of the city barely. And then in the hill section. You know Salat it was. It was an interesting lesson in class politics even in a place like that. Yeah, didn't leave you with the bug to one ever do it again? No, you know? No, not really. I've done. I've done that and I much prefer the role I have. Now there's plenty of great people running for office a needle. Frankly, David, as you know, you know, in many ways, the environment is so toxic. I don't. I don't anybody runs for office frankly. Yeah. Is that what you're saying? Bernie when he's to say whether running to look, I'm very, very clear about the last three words of my Booker run Bernie run. So I'm I'm very clear about what what I think he should do, but you know, it's his his decision. He. I don't wanna leap ahead because I, I wanna follow the your own story here, but on that subject because you raised it, it is. Politics is so course today and so difficult. And what is it about him that he seems? I mean, there were times when he got irascible in Caisley. When reacted when he was tacked and so on. But generally he, he seems to to take the incoming and he seems to keep on heading forward, what is it about him that allows him to endure the environment yet? He's always had this goes way back from the early days. He's always had the conviction that he can just talk to enough people about his ideas on the, you know, the policy agenda. He's advocating that he'll be successful and this is true in the presidential race. You know, when he would count the number of p we go to when he'd hold rallies and he would. He kept a rolling track of how many actual people attended the rallies just because he wanted to know what percent of the eventual electorate. He actually talked to basically in person, right? And he, he was always very, you know, some of us make the case. Well, many more people will see part of this rally on television, that in person he's like, not on. I don't care about that. I wanna know how many actual people talk. To. So he's always had that. And so he keeps his head, you know, keeps his head down. He put his shoulder heart into the wheel, and he tried to talk to more people about the sort of vision he articulates and he's he's confident that if he can again do that to enough with enough people, he'll be successful. There were there were they came in in oblique ways, but stories written attacks that were probably propagated by people who wanted to stop him about his wife and her tenure as head of Burlington. Yeah, holidays and so on. Vampire have been difficult. Yeah, no, clearly clearly it wasn't. Yes, they were propagated. I mean, you know, the, the chief propagator was Trump's campaign manager, Vermont. So I mean, I don't think any about come as a surprise anybody. But yeah, it's very difficult. And you know, I mean, you've been with the candidates who when their family gets tact or they get a tag on fairway particular when you after their family, you know it really. It really hurts even look like, you know, ten. Cruise when his father was accused of being one of the Kennedy assassins or. Chris gotten over it. He's he loves President Trump. No, I apparently, that's apparently they're kissed and made up. Yes, but, but you know, you know you've been in the heat of a campaign when. Yeah, family members get attacked. Yeah. And I, you know, and I've always, I've find really distasteful. You know, I, it's one of the things that really bothered me was, you know, I think the, you know, I mean, I'm you and I may have a different view on this. I get beaten up by the left on this all the time. I don't like chasing people into restaurants when they're there with their family, and I don't there have to be some. You know you've been a practitioner politics for longtime. You've worked with elect? Yes. Issue. You know, because my feeling is once you once you not norms down, wants to this, my objection to the president wants you shred. What? What used to be norms? You know, like there are known 's beyond which you know, then if you never get them back. And if if if the left can chase Sarah Sanders or someone else into a restaurant and chase their family, the rights going to do the same thing and we're in this mad cycle of, you know, and I'm not sure it contributes anything to the to me, it's more an act of frustration than something constructive understand the frustration. But yeah, the end of the day that you have to, you have to beat them at the ballot box. I mean, that's how you are vindicated in politics in democracy is beating them at the ballot box. You know, apropos this sort of norms. You know, I remember got how many years ago as it now I was at a Christmas mass and the priests. Who had a thick Irish brogue. And he was like, right from Ireland, spoke against the war and a fully dressed full uniformed, Virginia state policeman walked to the front of the church and so- scolded him and then walked out like that's, you know, that works both ways and to see sort of policemen in the Virginia uniform is fairly military looking, you know, scolding cleric for now talking as the War. I mean, you know that that's I think what you're talking about this break we get into, we, you know, it's a mad cycle down, you know, right? Where one thing begets another thing and and and you wonder where all leads. And I look, I thoroughly thoroughly agree with. You mean I'm believe I wrote a book called believer. I'm a believer and it wasn't about a person. It was about this. Idea of democracy and that that's there is one self-correcting. There's one corrective in democracy and that is the vote. And you know, that's, you know, that's been weaponized too. I mean, you know, Republicans, as you know, working very hard because they don't want fairly at the ballot box and so they do things to, you know. Able to vote and and that to me is an absolutely important battle to fight. I mean, my view is that every we should want every single person absolutely to participate in elections, and we shouldn't game the system in any way and anyone who does should be prevented from doing that. And I agree with you. I mean, I think if you if you feel like you are, if you feel like you are advantaged if you're people vote, that could be a sign that you shouldn't win. You know, so you stick you stuck with with with Bernie Sanders throughout his throughout his time in the house. And you ran his campaign for the Senate. Yeah, right. So I, I left work the law firm for fears, and then he called me back and I was house, Sheva staffer years. And then in two thousand. Did you practicing those to you? So I didn't government contracts law. So I work for an electric, a number of government contractors in their never ending, pushing money back and forth across the table with the government. So United Technologies and companies like that. It was actually know was an important moment from me because I really got to see sort of how corporate America works and what the start in what you learn culture. Well, just the way you know, just the way information's past the, you know, the culture of how big corporations work. It just gets. I think too few people on the left understand that world at all right, into him conceptions about it. In some ways, it's much less than the ferris than. People think, you know, it's collections of people trying to make a lot of money, and you know, people do things at times that are in any other endeavor that are not appropriate in order to, you know, chief their end, but but it was. It was an interesting window for me coming from my small town and working for the, you know, congressman from Vermont. Yeah, you. You. So you worked with him. You ran the campaign? Yeah. We had a self funded opponent in two thousand six guy who disowned his company. He had built up medical software company had sold it, and he had hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. I mean, in cash in his Bank account and the most at anyone had ever spent in a Senate race in Vermont is gonna sound quaint to people who are familiar with politics patently hit spent two million in the prior election cycle, so salons money today. Two million dollars run a Senate race, so so, but you know, for us, that was a lot of a lot of money in the end of the at the end of the day are Ponant up spending eight million dollars and we spent over six million dollars. Most of it razed through direct mail. This is before the advent of internet fundraising to a large and how much of it came from Vermont, I'm sure relatively small, relatively small Vermont as a not a huge fundraising, not all right. I mean, we had a lot of we had a lot of mean in terms of donations, Vermont donations, but they would relatively small donations compared to what you would get nationally, and then you, I have to ask you about your foray into the comic book. Do you still have your store? I do still have my store fact over the last week and I was at the New York comic con quite a quite a quite a place. So tell me about this fascination. I have to tell you I had it once in my possession when I was a kid almost every inaugural issue of marvel Thor and Spiderman, and I had the most extraordinary collection of comic books. I vent about this every once in a while also had a great collection of baseball cards and autographs, like Jackie Robinson, right? I mean, just and I made the mistake of not securing them before I went to college and my mother wanted reclaim my room and just threw it out thinking this. This is this is not an uncommon story as you know, David. Yeah, I know. But it's one that sticks Mike Kreil tell you that, but how. Much would like a the first addition of Spiderman yield today. So the first appearance of Spiderman sort of on the, you know that in that hobby, it's very grade driven, right? The nicer the book is the more brings, but you know. So the range on that book would be anywhere from fifteen thousand to two million dollars depending on the condition. You're probably let me say. The reason I want to have this discussion is even though she's she's slipped her earthly bonds. I still have this notion that my mom knows what I'm doing right. And if she's listening to this podcast, mom, do you hear that? Do you hear what you threw out? But anyway, so tell me it wasn't where there wasn't worth that. Then I loved it, though. Man, I you, we used to. I was veracious reader of comic books. I remember there was a blackout in New York in nineteen sixty six and so school. You know, every there was going to be no school. The next and a friend of mine mine and I went. Into the staircase of my. I lived in a housing project housing development in New York, and we just took a flashlights Nasreddin comic books for hours. I mean I- Yala changing. Them I was of racist comic book reader is a good to that was burning by the way you should know is there I tells you stories about he and his brother would and friends of theirs trade comic books. You know, he was living obviously in in Brooklyn, but you know, I was in Vermont, a small place, and it was really a way with them usually escape right now before twenty five TV and the, you know, people don't remember the days of the, you know, the staticky late night television, the flame the planes flying, the national anthem and like there was three TV stations, just a different like now there's so much entertainment on your phone or on the big screen or whatever. But there were, you know, comic books for quite a few generations for major form of escapism ended you have. Did you favor? Did you? I mean, I was kind of like a marvel Anna DC. Yeah, I was. I was I was too, so I. So I, I decided to after spending couple years of the Senate staff that I was just done with politics. So why Chris? You get tired of it after all. It's tough, right? You know, I ran the Senate campaign. I, I went was in Vermont live for six months. I went Monday through Friday. Vermont had little kids back in DC. Yeah, right in northern Virginia. Yes. So I just wanted to do something else and thought I would do that and my daughter runs the store now. So family business, it's been successful. I don't know that it's a business that like impasse onto them. Ultimately the the interest will still be there in the in the world for comic profit making venture. Absolutely, yes. Yep. Yep. I seven employee's. And is that. I know that you have this side gig which is looking after the Sanders, my primary gig, the comic book businesses. Just because you think Bernie may decide the side gig now, but I, you know, I was happily there until I got the call and you know twenty fifteen. Yeah. Let's talk about that. You know, I, I remember when he decided that he was gonna run. Now, a lot of people took that very seriously. I remember from my own time in the Senate, I remember going to the Senate caucus, he always was sitting by himself. You know, Bernie Sanders was a solitary figure and he had issues that he raised that others weren't raising and so on. But nobody really thought of him, you wouldn't look around and see this kind of rumpled wild haired guys sitting by himself and say, this is the guy in the room who's going to be president of the United States site, the millennial generation. Exactly, yes. Tell me about the pro that process of deciding that he was going to to run. Yeah. Well, I, you know, I have to tell you like carcass my book he called me up for meeting in, you know. As you point out Bernie's very focused on his work and like social Nicey. So like when you when I work with him, I, you know, we talk every day and often multiple and on us so forth. But when you're not working with them, even if you were coming over and have a beer is not like a lot of coming over and have a Ben and Jerry's, right? Say, right, you know, I would get invited to the holiday party and go to that. But other than that, you didn't really hear from him much. So I got a call from out of the blue ask if I wanted to have dinner. So we went and had dinner Union Station, and it was just all chitchat, right? Like how you doing how you kids doing? I was helping coach my kids little league teams. How's your store doing? And like, you know, just like if I went out to dinner at some point, you like you've done to talking people go home and I went home and my wife said, what did he want? And I was like, I have no idea. This is before he, you know, but this is not clearly he wanted something and then you know, it became clear after watching news. He did this to around the country. This pre tour, I wanna few places so it became clear that he was thinking about running for president. And then he called me up again and we went to dinner. Again. This was right before he announced before he announced. And I said, we're gonna talk about today. What we were supposed to talk about last time. And I, I just think why didn't he talk to you about was trying to gauge how good my life was. Whether I, he should say, you should throw that away and well, you must have been pretty persuasive sincere raise the subject, right? Right, right. No, I was in the comic book businesses. Fantastic. Was just I had. I had a very good life and explained to me that he was gonna run for president. We talked about sort of his thinking about what he wanted to be like, you know, at that point had already talked to a number of consultants post, not a poster of that time whenever pollster till the fall, but you know, TV guys on the digital guys and you know it all seemed very expensive to him, which it is very expensive and. I, you know, I think some of you wanted somebody to help sort all that and like somebody he was clearly in his corner. Right. Sure you didn't get ripped off. Right, and that things were done the way he wanted them done that he wasn't, you know, consumed by consultants view of what he should be your say, right? He he's always been super resistant to that, which is one of his right appeal. Yeah, right. Exactly. So, you know, he certainly understood the value that you know people can raise money on line or people that can run a social media campaign or people that can create TV commercials or people that you know an ultimately people I can poll, you know, he understands the value of these things, but he doesn't wanna be consumed by them. Right. And so so he finally put his cards on the table and said, will you do this. Yes. And we talked, you know, we talked about and I'm gonna be the only one probably maybe even more than than he was convinced that not that he would win, but that he could win because I seen it in Vermont, and you know, people have a view of him and you know, it's largely stereotypical view at this point about who he appeals to. You know how people relate to him, but you know, I saw, you know, rural people, otherwise, Republican, rural people who love Bernie Sanders. I'm outta remember very distinctly, he and I went to strawberry festival Saint enshrine in the in the islands and in the in lake Champlain, and we went to the cafeteria, various running for governor. I think very early on and we were in a cap cafeteria, and they're bunch of French-Canadian ladies over Montrose, but French Canadian heritage. Look like my grandmother behind the counter. You know, we're like the jello and the, you know, the metal bars. You run your tray down and they were literally David crawling. Through the food to get to Bernie Sanders. And this is very early on. And so he has always had this connection with rural people that I think people don't understand you saw in the primaries, you know, and I've talked to, you know, I'm actually have great relations with a lot of the senior, Hillary people now haven't worked with them in the general election and they didn't get it either until later in the campaign that in fact, Bernie Sanders was going to do well with rural Democrats with quote, unquote, moderate Democrats. He did much better with those voters than Hillary Clinton, right when you and you know, they were point trying to drive those voters out to counter him. In fact, they were helping him, you know. So let's dive in for a second into that appeal. I mean, there's a lot been made of sort of the the fact that Trump energize these rural voters that Sanders energize, these rural voters that there were some populist themes in common on trade. For example, how much of it, how much of what evolved in that campaign was about him and how much was it about about Hillary who for all her strength was and was true in two thousand eight as well. Really kind of a avatar of of the status quo very well established Washington figure who is associated with, you know the the establishment Washington in in every conceivable way. Right. Right. Look, you know, elections binary so it particularly have two person race. It's a choice. Apologies to governor O'Malley right? Became binary very quick very quickly. I mean, just like in two thousand eight mean John Edwards was did not play the role in that race that he played in two thousand four were you know where he was one of the top two. People we had. You know, the that field was, you know, people forget it was Joe Joe Biden, and Chris Dodd, Bill Richardson, and there were other serious people in that race that field you you, you had it was advantageous to be in a binary race? Yes. No, that's exactly right. But you know, and Brock Obama was certainly outside outside candidate in that primary, there's no doubt about that. But like I do think that there is a lot of discontent in the country, a lot of anxiety in the country. I think it's it's largely economic manifests itself in other ways. And I think that the Clinton people didn't get that in twenty sixteen, you know, I think a lot of the policy people she had around her were very much more conservative, not not mean Republican, but I mean conservative cautious an incremental in there. Yeah. I think that they had suddenly Bernie caught on and they really tried to catch up right mean her. She was not for fifteen dollars minimum wage and to get to New York. And she was for, you know, there was like evolution in her policy prescription. They kept getting more and more left to try to. Catch that was problematical as well because one of inauthentic city was one of the charges exact can. So if you try and change in order to catch up, you're also opening yourself up to even more questions about ROY you actually feel strongly about now. That's right. I look, you know, the polling was like the very beginning of the race. Appalling was at least that I saw was pretty clear that Hillary Clinton was very popular with self identified. Democrats. I mean, are popular is very high. You know, Bama was slightly higher, but you know, he's beloved by a Democrats, but she had a real problem. This is before any engagement with Bernie a problem with younger voters, and she had problem with independent voters on his, you know, in most places in this country, independent voters can participate in the democratic primary process and her favorables when you got to a democratically leaning independent, they weren't like off a cliff, and there was a lot of there's been a lot of like while you talk about what Bernie one or not. Want. And obviously the Clinton people say, well, he would have adult these attacks against him that already had these attacks against her, but they had landed on her and she was carrying baggage, and it really hurt her with independent voters in general election as you know, that's that's. That's a big, you know, what are you going to tell independent voters who have fixed notion of you from decades that's going to change their mind? Right. When you start with high negatives with independent voters? I, it's, it's a real challenge. There are, you know, everybody has their view in hindsight, there people who are close to her who say you guys cost her the general because the primary was so vital bre tive so difficult so lane, th-they so costly. I know you guys were helpful to her in the general as you point out, you work with them in the general, but what do you say to that? Yeah, I think that that is just one hundred percent wrong frankly. I mean, if you look at, if you look at. The tone and tenor of that twenty sixteen race compared to two thousand eight. It was a much tamer exchange than in two thousand eight frankly. And you know, I always look back to actually believe in long primary had actually benefits. Democrats media only likes to cover conflict and soon as the conflict resume coverage in two thousand eight. We absolutely mean we wanted to end early, right? Nobody really wants to go through a long primary. I came to believe that people wanted to see Obama run the full course right because he was a young guy and not would not a lot of Washington experience, so they were testing him, but it also is true that from an organizational standpoint, having a run races and fifty states, yes, created, you know, mow it forward momentum in those states and organization. So in that was good and in the race dominated, you know, McCain, John McCain was the candidate in two thousand. After the problem couldn't break into the story because everyone is focused on the democratic race. Well, and you look at two thousand four when Edwards leaves the race in April, like the cover media coverage of Kerry just goes away until the convention. And then the next always being swift boated in August. Meanwhile, the Republican ministration was on, I was on the hill, then they would try out a cabinet secretary or high level governor official literally on the hour and dominate the news for the entire Carey could not break through, but that was because the primaries over the quote, unquote conflict was gone in the media went away. I guess the essence of the the, the suggestion they're making some of the themes that you guys developed against her in the primaries became themes that Trump picked up on an infect Trump loved to quote, Bernie Sanders against her mischievous I guess that's benign way of saying. Has that is that is, but so there is that you guys opened up some wounds that were that were hard to to heal. I'm not sure that those wounds weren't there before the campaign started. I mean, as I pointed out, you know, independent voters difficulty with Hillary Clinton before the campaign was even engaged, and it was largely on the issue of trustworthiness. That was something they came to the election. That was something that was created by our campaign, and frankly they have I, you know, I there moments when you talk to when bef- you had many debates. Some were pretty there was some pretty sharp exchange. New York was probably the stress I, I remember it well, we were on the. We were on the ropes we had to do well in New York. And what kind of conversations did you have about how far he was willing to go? Yeah, he was, you know, so friends too. You know, he did not go after the foundation, right. That would been clearly something that somebody could have gone after he didn't wanna go there. You member? He famously said at the November at the Las Vegas, I hire the damn emails point being it's dominating the conversation. Let's talk about. He wanted to talk about single payer healthcare. He wanted to talk about the fifteen minimum wage climate change. You wanted to talk about these issues and probably though was a very big moment for him when he said that wasn't it? Yes, because it was unlike what people expect from politicians not to not to jump in on on an opportunity like that. Right. And he, you know, I mean, he doesn't people's personalities or their personal life since he just he's not interested in that kind of politics. He didn't. He, you know, he always wants to, you know, if he had won, he would have wanted to have one on the basis of the ideas that he was putting forward so that he would have in some way mandate to push those ideas through because it's not it's not personal for him. As he often tells me, look, you know where I come from, I wasn't somebody who was born groom to be president of the United States. I don't have to be president of the United States and that's up. That's absolutely true. He's not somebody who's you know, was groomed from child to be the next leader of the free world. That's not who he is in net net pack in Brooklyn. They weren't there. Nobody training school in Brooklyn that insa- that guy looks like he could be president United States -actly, hey. You yourself had some pretty. You're a fierce advocate for your guy, and you had some really big rose particularly about the process itself and what you felt was the stacking of the process against him, and I assume you to this day, you feel that way. I think you've written on it and you know, I absolute. It was well, we know Donna Brazile exposed that in the summer of twenty fifteen. You know, there's a document between w Osman shows on the Clinton campaign, essentially giving them control over staffing and messaging. And that was certainly not something that was revealed during the campaign, but there were enough other things. It's clear that the Clinton campaign dictated the debate schedule including wear and win and how many there would be that was dictated by them. And you know, I mean, Tom Perez I think is in a much different position. I think he will be a regardless of who's the candidate will be a much, you know, honest bro, honest broker. I mean, that'd be Wasserman Schultz, you know you, you remember the point in which she showed off our data because. Couple of low level staffers, you know, took advantage of a breach in the firewall. I mean, you know the the charge was that you guys had stolen date of chores campaign, which the subsequent investigation demonstrated which we paid for showed by a contractor picked by the DNC. There was no data stone was modeling data. You would have had to memorize, you know, ten thousand personal lists and the course of thirty or forty seconds in order to have had data you should answer. I didn't ask you when you brought it up before, do you think he would have beaten, you think Bernie Sanders would have beaten Donald? Absolutely. I do think he would have beaten Trump and because he would not, you know, if you look at, you know, you look at Michigan, Hillary Clinton loss Michigan. The primary, she lost John election in exactly the same way. You know there was depressed turnout into Troy and Wayne County, and then overwhelming turnout against her everywhere else. Small towns, rural areas, suburbs, and he was. Was it was an identity. You know, Bernie Sanders would not have lost Michigan, not have lost, Wisconsin. I hear you and, and I don't know the answer the question really, but she kinda cleaned his clock among African American voters in the primary. So why do you think they'd be more well. Well, that's not. So that's the narrative right in early in the campaign that was true. By the time we get to Michigan, he's going toe-to-toe with her with African American voters under forty. By the time we get to Pennsylvania when the campaign in fact is tanking. Basically our campaign after New York started steady decline. He was doing better than she was with African Americans under forty. We only lost the African American vote in Pennsylvania by ten points. I think we lost the overall state by more. So we're doing better with black folks, American voters under forty or not a majority of African American votes. No, that's right. But you know, this was an issue throughout the campaign David. If you look at voters over. Yeah, six any race? It doesn't. It was. That was not, you know, what is true? Is that according to the exit polls, the percentage of African American voters who are millennials, much smaller than other communities of in the x. oppose. It was twelve percent of African-American boaters millennials in a non African American community? Democratic. Primaries it was eighteen percent. And so that you know made us look like we're doing even worse with African American voters, but it was primarily had a lot to do with the age of the electric, not the race of the electorate, but I will admit that it, you know, certainly in the south of the beginning he was crucial. It was, you know, this is important because you were talking before we started rolling about the fact that there are a lot of people aren't run for president who talk about it as if it's, you know, like the voice or something, you just kind of reform and then everybody votes. It's a process. Yes. And it begins an Iowa and you have to and New Hampshire. You know, you've got Nevada, and then South Carolina, where the vote is majority African American vote in the primary and the question is, and even now with the California primary has been moved back. So early voting will be in on the day of the Iowa caucuses. You have to figure out how you're going to navigate this because if you don't. You know, there's not going to be a binary choice in two thousand and twenty th this is like, you know the, they're going to be the multiple. Yes, it's going to be. I mean, it's easier to list the number of Democrats who aren't thinking of running for president than those who are. So only a few are gonna come through that funnel that is New Hampshire, and and if you do survive, it then becomes really important how you can compete with African American voters disproportionate impact on some of these primaries, South Carolina. Super Tuesday. Primaries these southern primaries. And the cost of how much do you think it will cost a candidate to just run the first four races run through the South Carolina primary into Super Tuesday this time. Well, as you point out, California will start voting when I was voting. So you have to be advertising even yet to be at the be a couple of weeks early, even there which was enormously. Let's fifty million if you wanted full flight of six weeks TV in California. What are you talking about? Fifty million dollars, right? Yes, I was probably sixteen fifteen sixteen million New Hampshire because of your. In media market is another is probably similar, you know, Nevada's cheaper, but I mean, it's probably six or seven, South Carolina could be three or four. I mean, so, and then you know, that's just for TV that that doesn't even spiel flying your candidate around on a plane and the fact that you know if a couple of days after South Carolina ho Slough, other states are voting right? You get Minnesota, Colorado, Oklahoma, Alabama, Georgia, Texas. And so if you have to advertise Mulvaney smells by by the time you get to Super Tuesday. I mean, just on television, you might have to spend a hundred fifty million dollars, which is unbelievable really does speak to right away a differentiator if candidates can do that Moore candidate could presumably because he has developed a base around the country. So I have to ask you the question as to where do you think his head is right now? Well, you know, I speak to him about it. Often, you know it, it, you know, one one question that sort of ways on him and I because he's a serious guys. He wants to make sure that Trump has beaten at twenty twenty. And he wants to be very confident that if he runs these wearing because he's the person who's best able to do that now I think he is, but I'm not the candidate and if he decides he is, I think the chance of running much higher. I think if he what about age Jeff, I mean, you know, I know he's an energetic guy. Anybody watches them on. TV can see that, but there are certain immutable laws early, not David. So you're, you're willing to test that. But I mean, I've been with the candidate in in in in been several candidates in presidential races. I know what they exact- I know what the presidency exacts. How much of a consideration is your look? You know, chronological age is one thing. You know, his biological age has to be has to, you know, his body has to just be younger. I mean, the guy puts you know, he puts Twenty-three-year-old media people, you know to shame try to follow him around. I mean, the hardest working person. I know he doesn't stop. This isn't a concern for you? Not not for me in terms of his ability to do it. Absolutely not. No. If I, if I thought he was going to look, the guy has had the guy. The guys had an electoral career guys, United States Senator. He was close runner for president got forty, three percent of having Leicester's Greer's. You've been around a while. Right? He has been around for a while. So like there's if he decides run for president, you know, the guys galvanized the whole generation of young people to get involved in politics. He's changed the debate in this country. I mean, so like he has nothing to prove to me, you know, I think you'd be a great president. I think he could institutionalize a lot of the policies that he has been advocating that have caught fire around the country. Last time he ran as you point out it was, hey, he and Hillary basically alone this time. As we point out, there's going to be a large field. Some of them are right in his lane. Elizabeth Warren who's already announced that she's going to seriously consider it, which I would take as a kind of very. Signal and everything she's doing suggests that that she's going to run. They do share a base on the surpassed. Bula laughed. She has the additional of quality of of being a woman, which I think especially in this day and age is is, is is a valuable asset will be in the primaries are in two thousand and twenty. I saw poll that was just done recently in Iowa of caucus-goers and it had Biden ahead substantially and then warn was second Sanders narrowly behind. Essentially they were splitting. What would I think have been the Sanders vote? So can they both run in the same race and be successful well, and you're, you're right. There was a BuzzFeed star recently about this sort of relationship of. You know, Warren versus Sanders and I think you're right to say that it's his lane. I mean he ran last time when she did not. You know, I think there is some resentment among some of his people that she did. She supported Hillary Clinton and not him, but I do look. I do think at a crowded field. There's room for both of them. I've seen the rich. I thought she was neutral. None of she ended up supporting Hillary and so there you know and I've seen other research and what you have to understand about Iowa. You know how Bernie Sanders, I think probably won the popular vote nihil, but because you know, they don't report the popular vote. They will now they have them out or new democratic rules, but they didn't then is you know, he changed the nature of the electorate in Iowa every those hundred thirty five thousand people show showing up and their one hundred seventy thousand people. And you know, in that book shattered, they talk about it, they Hilary people were shocked that of those new voters, you know they were. They thought it'd be like two to one for Bernie or forty, and there were ten to one. There's no competing for the. They're going to be a lot of, you know the Harris and perhaps Cory Booker and others who will be all competing for the. That's right. But I, I think Bernie Sanders has unique appeal voters. I really do, particularly the voters that we're talking about, which is, you know, we call low propensity voters who were less likely vote. He just has an appeal with those voters at that. Others are not. I'll tell you another thing he has. He has one loyal friend in you, and I'm sure that whatever he does that you will be in the thick of it because your conscience won't allow you to sell comment. Hang around the comic bookstore while that's all going Jeff Weaver. It's great to be with you, and thank you so much for coming to thank happy. 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Soleimani is dead and Bernie is rising

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Soleimani is dead and Bernie is rising

"A Michael ISIKOFF chief investigative correspondent for Yahoo News. And I'm Dan Kleinman editor in chief of Yahoo News and a quick reminder that you can follow us at skulduggery pod and and by the way. If you've got any questions thoughts ideas you wanNA share tweet right out us now. Let's get on with the show. There was an imminent attack. The orchestrator the primary motivator for the attack Wisconsin so the money attempt to disrupt that plot. You all been talking this morning about the history of Qassem souleyman is got hundreds of American lives blood on his hands but what was sitting before us was his travels. Throughout the region is efforts to make a significant -NIFICANT strike against Americans would have been many Muslims killed as well Iraqis people in other countries as well that was secretary of state. Mike pompeo describing the justification for president trump's extraordinary decision to launch a US drone strike the targeted and killed Iranian revolutionary. Guard commander General Qassam Soleimani. It was an action that immediately threatened to dramatically escalate tensions in the mid East Grand Supreme Leader Ayatollah. Ali Khamenei vowed a quote forceful revenge against what he called the criminals who have saw him on his blood and the blood of the other martyrs on their hands as he made those comments. The Pentagon revealed it is is rushing thousands of fresh troops to the region. What do we know about the intelligence that prompted trump to pull the trigger on Sulejmani? And how close are we to an actual war with Iran will discuss. The News. Is Ace intelligence. Reporters John McLaughlin and Zach Dorfman who is also of the Aspen Institute and and we'll talk to Bernie Sanders Campaign Manager Jeff. Weaver on the bombshell new fundraising numbers that have certified Vermont senator as a genuine front runner in the battle Donald for the Democratic nomination. All that and more on this episode of skulduggery because people have gotta know whether or not their president's cropped up I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostile my heart to my best intentions. Still tell me that's true. But the facts and the evidence it is not I did not have sexual relations with that one there there will be no lives. We will honor the American people with the Truth and nothing else. Michael ISIKOFF chief investigative reporter for Yahoo News and Clyde editor in chief of so quite eight and opening few days of twenty twenty things that have been a bit slow over the holidays and then wow Bam were back it. It looks like we're on the verge of military confrontation with Iran an impeachment trial that may or may not begin next week peak and this phenomenon of Bernie Sanders acing all his Democratic rivals in fundraising certifying him as a genuine threat to win the Democratic nomination. Not much going on no typical week in the Actually a typical week in some ways of the trump presidency. We don't necessarily know everything that's going to happen. But we know they're gonNA be fireworks all the time so much for. The impeachment lull by the away to our listeners. If I sound unusually sexy are not. I think we're already getting tweets coming in about about. Just how sexy you sound. Got Him cold. Probably about seventy percent of you guys have already had right. So I just let me all right onto more pressing matters. than your health. And that is the health and welfare of thousands of Americans in the Mideast right now in the wake of this a drone drone strike. You know I gotTa say we've had the raid. That Killed Bagdhad ahead of Isis at the end of October but we haven't had too many high profile L. drone strikes in the trump era. In fact this has to be and I know this is a subject that you are well versed than having written kill or capture. We haven't had a high profile drone strike since I think a Laki in Yemen in what was that two thousand eleven or so. Yeah Yeah you know. This is different than one really fundamental way. Then all of the high-profile throwing strikes that we witnessed and read. What about over the last couple of decades? You know so Amani was a pretty bad guy and Even call him a terrorist but he was also the number two person essentially the second most powerful person in the Iranian government. This is a country this state and he is a political leader. Some thought he might even one. They beat the head of the government in Tehran so to assassinate someone who is that high profile that core to the which came in Iran on the one hand is a big blow to the Iranian regime. On the other hand it is a hugely provocative. Act Now now. The question as to whether it was a legal strike is going to depend in large part on what Pompeo all the evidence that either supports or doesn't support Lord. What Pompeo said in that clip? That was just plan if there was the if money was plotting an imminent attack then under domestic law and international laws. Just just as important here that with the could be a justifiable strike. Well you know. Look the Obama folks folks wrote the The game book for this and they wrote the memos that justified the drone strikes that killed a Laki and lots of others. And what did they base. Is it on. This is something you and I both were reported on extensively back in the Obama years but if an individual poses what. US intelligence officials officials believed to be an imminent threat than a president is justified in launching a lethal attack. Protect Americans is but let me just add one other point and you know when we finally got the memo's or a memo that underlie. I'd say the the justified the lucky strike we saw just how squishy that eminent standard is in fact the memo drafted by Justice Department lawyers and turned into a white paper that was shared on a confidential basis with Congress said that imminent did not necessarily thoroughly have to mean that there was a strike about to happen perpetrated by the particular target. It could mean that there was general intelligence about a threat and that target based on past actions could be presumed to be intimately involved Alveda in ordering that attack. It was a very elastic standard and I think given the president sent by the Obama folks. The trump people have a lot of leeway here to justify at least on the basis of those memos. This sort of strike. I agree with you a hundred percent. In fact I remember when I was reporting to capture an Obama administration. Voyeur saying to be well. You don't have to be strapping on your suicide fast. Or getting on the plane with bombs or even anywhere near using those things if they much more general threat definition as you put it came much more elastic right issue. Here is that while this strike may have likely was legal under article. Go to the Constitution and the Self Defense Doctrine. The question is was it. A wise thing to do was prudent thing to do breath. Is this going to end up getting into a war with Iran. A hot war we have been in a Cold War and proxy wars. This threat is is to put US really into a wheel or they could involve the deaths of thousands and thousands of people including many Americans who are vulnerable. Well not just in Iraq in other parts of the region but in Europe and in the United States GonNa talk with Zak and Jenna about the Iranian Wanian capabilities of actually striking Americans not just in the region but elsewhere as well right as if nothing else was going on We have the looming impeachment of the president looming impeachment trial of the president as we speak McConnell and Schumer we're have just had their cirillo sort of doing standoff about whether there's going to be a precondition for calling witnesses but I gotta got to say you know we've had lots of talk over the last year about all the analogies with the Clinton impeachment this Sulamani strike is a vivid reminder. That as Bill Clinton was being impeached he launched airstrikes against Saddam Hussein in Iraq which was widely scene or suggested by many Republicans as a wag the dog response to impeachment to divert public attention from the charges charges against the president and one does have to wonder if we are seeing a replay of that right now in fact I think. What did it multiple times? Take you around. The time that Monica Lewinsky was was the grand jury yes strikes against the strikes on Afghanistan and Sudan and look whack. The dog of course refers to bury length movie where a president essentially concocts awards from his own sex scandal. But look I actually think that what what trump has done here might actually do the opposite in some ways it could actually underscore some of the problems that were at the root of the Ukrainian scandal. Right you've got an utterly unsophisticated. Pregnant with another. We unsophisticated understanding of American foreign policy of bankrupt. National Security decision making process and a command surrounded by sycophants you don't salad on the most consequential life and death decisions so I don't know how effective this will be as a wag the dog strategy. Unless of course you end up in a full-scale war which I don't think will be helpful. president even as he goes into impeachment. Well lots of material due to Talk about their and I should just add one more we're going to have Jeff Weaver Bernie Sanders campaign manager on. We were originally going to make this show. I think primarily ah about Bernie rising all the indicia that he is becoming a genuine front runner if not the front runner certainly a top contender for the Democratic nomination. Even though so many of us inside the Beltway had kind of written him off for much of the last year but let's remember Bernie Sanders. This is the one guy who from the get-go has opposed higher military spending who voted against the Iraq war who has tried to reorient American priorities to the domestic front Healthcare and then sort of more widely I guess climate change. But how how he responds to this. And how that works in the context of a Democratic nomination. Does it help his chances or not. It'll be a good topic to explore with Mr Well last night for any sanders. I think thought it helped him not that he would cynically exploit though. What's your reaction to help us can't paint but he did? I will not cut an ad in the halls of a hotel room. Making all the points that you just made about him so at least in the short run the ethics thinks. It's going to help him right. And before we go to Zaken Jenna voter be worth just taking a look back at The many different positions that that Donald Trump has had about Iran. And we've got a bite here from trump speaking in two thousand eleven criticizing than President Obama on the grounds that he was going to get us into a war with Iran. Let's listen our president will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate he's weak and is ineffective. We have a real problem in the White House so I believe that he will attack Iran sometime prior to the election because he thinks that's the only way he can get elected. Isn't it pathetic. Well well this. From the guy who later became president and basically pulled out of the Iran nuclear agreement showing his disdain in for negotiations with Iran and has now killed. Who was Perhaps the guy who is perhaps the second most powerful leader in Iran. So perhaps isn't it. Isn't it rich all right. Let's get on with our guests okay we now have with us two of the best intelligence reporters around right now. Both of whom happen to work for Yahoo News. Jenna McLaughlin and Zach Dorfman Jenna Anzac. Welcome back to skulduggery. Thank you and quite an auspicious day to do it For both of you guys Zach we have had you on before to talk about the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Hard core and all the aggressive actions the take against the United States spearheaded and led by General Sulamani Now the the late General Suleimani wanted to start out by telling us a little about just who he was and why he was so significant. Yeah I mean there is no analogous person to custom Sola money in the Iranian regime or I mean potentially in any other are there adversarial regime to the United States in the world so the money was the head for decades of the could force which was the Revolutionary Guards kind of covert operational wing. And you know they were kind of a hybrid a combination of If you took the CIA and maybe also the joint special operations commands a US special forces and they were also highly ideological entity so they were devoted to protecting and spreading the seventy nine revolution. And so they did things that other intelligence agencies do that other special forces organizations do but they were also involved directly in spreading the revolution and building connections with other radical Shiah movements all over the Middle East and beyond and most prominently that that was Lebanese is Lebanese Hezbollah which has been a a major. And and to this day now a dominant player in Lebanon's politics and and so the money was also directly involved in the post two thousand and three order in Iraq and the overwhelming Iranian influence and that has characterized Iraqi politics since the American invasion and also. I should point out that there had been according according to U. S. officials of a pretty steady uptick in attacks on US forces in US bases in Iraq. I think got something like eleven or the last few months. US contractor of course killed most recently. What was the sort of strategic calculus for Sumani if he was indeed behind these attacks for that uptick in aggressive actions? I mean we're speculating. A little bit. I imagine it was to keep the. US presence kind of unsure footing. The Iranians had a pretty good idea. that they could never get rid of the Americans entirely but they saw limiting or circumscribing. US influence as a primary goal of their activities in Iraq and ratcheting up the pressure slightly over time was a way to increase pre existing divide within Iraqi society which falls sometimes along along sectarian lines and also creating dissention within US policy naked communities about the the best path forward Lord arguably they've been pushing the limits over and over again over these last few months and they have been not really there hasn't been particularly strong US response. I mean even after there was an attack on Saudi facilities and that Calculus obviously changed quite radically in the last twenty four hours. Well Zach Janet. Jump in as well we talked about Sulamani Strategic Calculus but what about trump strategic calculus to the extent there is one here. Because as you point out reinforces were. Proxies have been killing American soldiers for a couple of decades now in Iraq and I think General David David betray us. Who oversaw the Iraq war? I think he said that that at least six hundred. America's soldiers were killed directly or indirectly by so Amani or it was given by Sulamani. So why now. Presumably the Americans would have had opportunities in the past under several presidents to do this and they did. Why didn't they and and what do you think trump should now? So it's not totally clear yet. It's been less than twenty four hours since the strike however we've seen some reports that there were imminent threats. It's potentially to American lives. There was at least one report that there could have been the potential of kidnapping The trump administration is going to hammer home that they prevented something something catastrophic. And we'll have to see what that evidence looks like. I mean potentially as early as next week. I think we'll probably see some of their legal. Justifications I'm not sure if those were prepared prepared in detail prior. It's it's unclear to me I think. Probably the most frequent refrain that we hear in this administration is what was the plan. Is there a plan. And that's it's not clear yet. I think in terms of looking back into the past some of the sources. I've been communicating with for. You know the last twenty four hours or so have pointed at the fact that of course the amendment administration and the Bush administration have looked at options lake this in the past however particularly with Obama who was perhaps fairmount more risk averse than president trump. He essentially came to the conclusion that we cannot determine what the actual operational consequences of. This decision would be and at the same time the amount of potential for collateral damage. It's just far too high to accept it and I think that's been the key point that has been driven to me from recently retired former. CIA officials national security officials. They say no one is sad. That Sulamani is gone. However this massive massive risk of escalation is something that's at the forefront of their minds and and they wonder if there could have been a different option? So let's talk a little about what the Iranians might do. Now you know they certainly finally have the strong militia presence in the region in Iraq and Syria. They're backing the Hutus in Yemen. But their potential to strike back Gaddis is quite wide ranging from cyber from economic sabotage going after the oilfields in in Saudi Arabia. They did a few months ago to even potential terrorist attacks in the United States. And I WANNA talk about that in a moment but give us the big picture Jenna on where you see the potential for an Iranian response here so I think you covered. Some of those options decently gently. Well I mean it. It could be a range of things. A lot of people have been talking to have said it would be hard without a crystal crystal. See exactly what they're going to do however still money favored avert sort of a symmetrical warfare. And it's likely that his allies that remain alive will continue that tradition cyber certainly one option when I speak to cybersecurity purity experts who are familiar with arena capabilities. They say that we should not underestimate them. We had reported back when the tanker's were struck in the Strait of Hormuz that Iranian officials are on top of this. They know where those ships are when they're transiting the Straits and they have full capability to do something destructive. We've already seen that they have. They target diplomats in the region they could target allies in the Gulf in Saudi Arabia. And Israel there are so many different options and they could combine several of them. It's it's really not clear yet what they'll choose you've got some I think you've got some reporting that. FBI FBI or former FBI officials are actually worried about the possibility of uranium striking out in the United States. And I think that also wrote a piece for us about all the ways that they could do that I mean they've got long rumored to have Hezbollah ourselves that could be activated in this country. What could they actually do on? US soil soil. And would they cross that line into say assassinations. I'll let Zach address that at more length but I did speak to at least one former. FBI special official. WHO said that? The first on their list of concerns is whether or not Some of these cells within the US would be activated written extensively about that. Yes I mean I think that AH obvious concern. I think that there there was. There has been a long running debate within the US intelligence community about whether they would actually resort to those kinds of measures measures because of the potential for a overwhelming catastrophic response by the United States. The thinking on that changed I think in two two thousand thirteen with the top of my head when the Revolutionary Guard did try to assassinate the Saudi ambassador in a Washington. DC restaurant apply supposedly ordered by Sulamani himself exactly by flu. And so by the way I'm starting might have killed hundreds it's or or dozens of Americans who is going to take place in arrested rock and I just note that I actually interview. John Brennan rented on the warning that that plot was an ounce. If you've been up all night dealing with it and he looked spooked you were just saying that that it kind of calculation changed at that moment. I think that really scares the shit. Out of intelligence officials in the United States really did and it made them think more seriously actually about the fact that the Iranians and their proxies particularly has blackouts. Might you'll beyond mere planning to actually execution of the DADS and you know there's been a few recent court cases that have bought this home. One was a conviction of of a man in New York City area in Holly Ronnie Zack. Let me stop you. There are because I anticipated somebody bringing this up and it is a sober reminder that there's some reality behind Some of the talk. You're hearing from US today today. This is just last month a one month ago. December third two thousand nineteen a US citizen in New York resident whose spine for Hezbollah Hasbollah considered himself quote sleeper agent of the terror group and called his family. The Bin Ladens of Lebanon has been sentenced to forty years in federal prison. Ali Ali. Karani was recruited trained and deployed by Hezbollah's Islamic Jihad Organization to plan and execute acts of terrorism around New York City said Jeffrey Free Burma in the US. Attorney for the Southern District of York quote and this is the. US Attorney in New York speaking just last month after spending years conducting surveillance on the city's critical critical infrastructure federal buildings international airports and even daycare centers. He's now the first Islamic organization operative to be convicted and sentenced for his his crimes against the United States. That was kind of an eye-opener I remember when I read it just a few short weeks ago but now it sure looms pretty large. Yeah I mean he would he you know. He was assembling target packages. That you said for Federal Building He was also looking into assembly in arms caches and was doing research online for Jewish and Israeli businessman in the New York area who had been members of the Israeli military and that was a real serious cases another case recently of a conviction of two men one by the name of Bonnie and one. But anyway do starters both Iranian amen. One was a a dual citizen and one of them traveled to Chicago and was conducting reconnaissance on A Jewish community community center in Chicago and also Iranian dissident in Los Angeles in New York. So yes they do have the capability. This is something that. US intelligence community officials are very aware of especially in areas with large Iranian and Lebanese population in particular so Los Angeles San Francisco. Detroit Troy New York and it's something that I think over the coming days and weeks is going to give FBI counterintelligence particular a a lot of a lot of heartburn. And they're they're probably going to be particularly focused on this. Actually the only other thing I'd mention that it's not just the US I mean the Iranians and Hezbollah also have a very active presence. In in South America including in the Tri border region where Argentina Paraguay Brazil meet and they have successfully carried out very large terrorist attacks in the nineteen nyland particular in that region. What I wonder Zack? In Jeddah is you know talking about large terrorist attacks talking about the kind of terrorism that Americans are. You're familiar with all these years. Where civilians are targeted but given the fascination of Sulamani? I wonder if the Iranian thinking is that political assassinations that would be proportional to what the American suggested as opposed to going after civilians. Now that's harder but Zach. I think he reported that there were a number of fascination plots that were under way that I read a quote from story. Vote for us. Think this was US officials and Israeli. Maybe they were not in the US. Maybe they were in your but quote from your story was from from a source of yours. These cases where people have it's an assigned Griffin's caches were in place plants activists. It had gotten that far Yes this was. Something that occurred occurred in the last four or five years and was directly related to the defection of a foreign military official by the name of Monica wits. This was seen scene at the time according to the The former intelligence officials that I spoke with as another of very serious esscalation because they had successfully identified undercover defense intelligence officials and it appeared that they were ready to carry out what. US officials believed. were imminent minute assassination. They didn't take place. But this is something that used to be seen as a red line but now again so Amani whether you think so. The money is a terrorist or not you know and certainly he was an exporter of terrorism. He was a senior military official Iranian government. And I think that's very true that they might eam for something that they considered to be more proportional which is legal action against senior US military or intelligence officials instead of civilians. This this is sort of like Equivalent to the Iranians assassinating the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or somebody at that level. Which is why why? This is such a provocative action. Just one thought I mean I remember all the talk of post nine eleven about al Qaeda sleeper agents In the United States in the hunt to find them how many Hezbollah sleeper agents to US intelligence officials believe are actually out there here in the United States today Geno. That's a great question. I asked it yesterday of my source than they were not willing to share but they said what they're what they're more worried about is the ones they don't I don't know about yeah. Well that's always the case right a pretty sobering topic to start off the New Year but before we leave you guys did a great great piece about the new challenges for US intelligence agencies in the digital age which ran a few days before all this Iranian news broke Geno. Just tell us very briefly what you found in that report shirts so I mean it's a long story five thousand words or so but I'll try to summarize his his best to essentially we we wrote about the last couple of decades in. How Technology has fundamentally transformed the job of intelligence officers particularly those who go undercover to gather human intelligence and that work is becoming next to impossible to do? Intelligence officers have to operate under their real names. They work extremely closely with the private sector. Wittingly and unknowingly. In some instances the intelligence community has tried to address these problems albums in a couple different ways the first report that they had created a station of the future that was somewhere in Latin America where they wanted to re imagine in trade craft as it currently exists. They wanted to test out. New Technologies fundamentally transform how they do business but as often happens in Iraq or sees as it was reduced back in Langley to this expensive proposal to sort of create open office floor plans for stations around the world word is proposing for America office. It's funny that this came out around the same time. But essentially the story has many different revelations including that the F. B. I.'s program for cover operations called stagehand had a massive compromise within recent years. This this work is incredibly difficult and it will continue to be and the conversation about. Where do we go from here? Needs to start now before we have you know the next note in revelation thank well. I think it's fair to say especially as it story. Say It is a part of a series of stories that this dynamic duo you have Ported and written for Yahoo News all about how our spying capabilities secrets have been compromised by evolution up technology very very important stuff. My question after having read this last installments series is what his job with Corre- with an x ekstrom career. What are they gonNA do with? There's no longer human spies so we'll have to see how inventive by VAC. And then thanks. Thank you so much to the perfect for this show and this story so wa thanks for coming on. That will have both back on against looking forward to it. Thank thank you. We're now going to switch gears Abid and talk Democratic Party politics and we've got a special guest here. In the studio one of the top contenders for the Democratic nomination. Senator Senator Bernie Sanders senator. Welcome to skulduggery Mike. Thank you for having me here to discuss this existentialist threat to our country. Too many podcasts. They're all about true crime and the true crime podcast. Coming in Americans from the corporate media right podcasts. Spur billionaires that's what we like to view skulduggery as actually it's not Senator Sanders colleague Hundred Walker. Who does one of the better Bernie? Sanders enders imitations around hunters. Give Larry David. We want you on Saturday night live. That's that's my goal for for twenty twenty but we do have a good alternative to the senator and that is his campaign manager. Jeff Weaver calling in Jeff Welcome. Welcome to skulduggery. Hey how you doing and just this for complete on a senior adviser on this campaign I was the campaign manager in two thousand sixteen but I am a senior adviser on this campus. Okay we stand correct and no problem. Do you want to rate hunters burning invitation. There it would agree. I'd give it give it a b Plus p Plus bless you jared greater. I'm GonNa talk better. I've also heard that most people on the campaign have their own Senator Sanders impression. Are you you want the people who can do it. I can't I can't I can't come on over tonight. It's it's class Jeff. I want to tell you why I wanted to have you on this week on this podcast. Which is over the holidays? Goes over my sister's in New Hampshire all her Kids were there. twentysomethings and man did I get a mouthful Of Bernie Mania they were talking about Bernie nonstop them their friends their significant others and it made me wonder if those of us sort of beltway insiders who had been sorta discounting your guys candidacy or chance of going all the way has made me rethink that that and then of course. No sooner does bad happen. Then I bam politico says democratic insiders say Ernie could take the nomination and then you announce your fundraising numbers. Thirty four million dollars you know mopping the floor with all your arrivals give us your take on where you stand right now. His Bernie the front run. Well Look I. I think that the campaign has moved forward quite a bit since the summertime. I think in the summertime. There was a lot of folks who were kicking the tires tires on the other candidates. I think those folks have started to come home to Bernie and the kind of excitement that you heard during the holidays. It's something that we encounter on the road all the time when we look burning so it is true that folks inside the beltway I think really sort of missile but they missed it in two thousand sixteen certainly and I think they're missing it now but you know I think did you see was fundraising numbers. I think you see the events of the turnouts. I think you're seeing that sort of groundswell support. That's going to be critical to him winning. So as you look at it right now we are exactly exactly one month away from Iowa and then five weeks away from New Hampshire. How does it look in these early states right now? Do you expect you're going to win in Iowa and if you don't you have to finish in the top two or three and then take it from there state by State State New Hampshire South Carolina Nevada. How's it looking? Yeah well what. We've got strong Brown Games and every one of those states You know in these early states or smaller states and and and so having a an operation on the ground is incredibly important you know we had over two hundred people on the ground in Iowa. Eight people have thousands of volunteers. So we're doing the kind of organizing nizing that one does the caucus state like Iowa and Nevada. You know we're turned out so much lower. And so you know the kind of grassroots organizing that you do a really pays off off in terms of increasing. Your percentage total on Hakka snake Hampshire operates strong South Carolina. He's running second in South Carolina and things it's You know different about this campaign at least the acknowledgement that that what is going on is your Bernie really is building a multi-racial coalition multiracial movement. that it happened last time you know wants to campaign was in swing but there was this terrible false narrative about the lack of support among people. Are you know we've seen now the bowling Bernie's running second with after after Americans that crowded field. He typically runs I with Latino voters all across the country. So you know. It's a really opened up a lot of opportunity to win and places like adopter auto and and Jeff does things differently this time around right in two thousand sixteen there were a lot of really big rallies and generating a lot of excitement. Not to say that you can't still draw big crowds but senators seems to be Has Been in in a grassroots approach smaller smaller groups. That's something that that you decided long time ago. How did that strategy kind of evolve? Well look this campaign is very different than the last campaign. They don't well into the fall of Twenty fifteen. There are a lot of states. Were our polling. Showed that forty percent of people that didn't know who he was or didn't have enough information to make opinion about him and so it was important to do big rallies at least demonstrate the broad base of support that he has all across the country. You know those became national headlines and cable news stories that went into everybody's living room and I think really validated validated. The campaign of somebody again. Who was not universally known like he is now so it's a very different posture campaign and people do not we we is is the name? Id as well over ninety five percent most places that ninety nine percent And people have a sense of what his positions are. You know the price of a working class. People for Medicare Medicare for all and some of their signature shoes. And so you know this. This time around is more of a conversation with voters who already know who is and and you know Meeting dominant different way. So yes it was decided you know a while back that we were going to try to have these more say more intimate but still. There's still many hundreds of people if these quote go smaller events but you know we're trying to create opportunities for burning interact with people the more personal way quick tactical questions because a big difference between twenty sixteen and and this election is California which moved up and could be you know really important state for For Sanders particularly if he comes out of New Hampshire with a win and I had a scheme and then into Super Tuesday eventually. At what point did you realize the importance of California California to immediately you know he did very very well there last time even though the AP had called the national race to make before they California primary in two thousand sixteen. He's incredibly whether he has a tremendous support in California. And as you know as you know it has the largest number of delegates of any state in the process and so having that a move early was incredibly important for his the prospects that there's also a big state and very expensive to operate in and you know that does favorite candidates from have access to more resources and so we have the largest the operation on the ground in California right now we have over eighty people in California on the ground. You know we plan on having a paid media campaign as well so California's critical to us. Listen and we're industrial all the time and resources in California for sure so yeah. Ranked among Latinos is GONNA help him immensely in California right. I'm jeff look at the top of the conversation. Today is the events in the Middle East in the aftermath of the US strike that killed general so Amani and the Prospect that we could be having a military confrontation with Iran. Now Your Guy Senator. Sanders has been the most outspoken critically of US military adventurism overseas. He famously voted against the Iraq war the only Democratic candidate to have have done so but we have the information or at least the claims from US ficials in the trump administration that General Sulamani was planning an attack against us a personnel in the region. And that this was a preemptive strike so just to be clear if Bernie Sanders were president of the United States and he was presented with the intelligence that money was planning an attack against military the US personnel in the region. Would he not take the kind of strike that president trump ordered or would he do so. Well I look I. I don't I haven't seen the intelligence obviously none of us have and You Know Bernie has been speaking on this issue and I think it's going to be speaking more on issues. I don't want to get ahead of them on this particular front fronts. All at him you know. Speak on this critically important foreign policy. I think he's better do it himself and have me sort of pining but you can give us a perspective On how he views issues such as this because it is critical. If you want to be commander in chief to be clear about how how you would respond to protect. US interests around the world and he's been very clear that you would use military force to protect American lives American interests. He has no secret to anybody. Gasden bury a critical of foreign adventurism of wars that he perceives as unnecessary. You know we all know the Iraq war longest war in our history was yeah predicated on a faulty information about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. And you know our involvement there today and this this incident that we're talking about today you know. Has Its roots back in. You know the those votes took place to authorize the Iraq war. which as you pointed out voted against so you know? I think he would find somebody who unlike trouble you know would try to make alliances and work with countries of goodwill as opposed to hanging out with dictators and we try to create an environment we resolve conflicts without war. I mean but you know just that'd be an understanding. He has been very clear that would not hesitate to protect Americans. I just want to follow up with one question and then I want to let hunter. He's got some questions and this is on senators historical record on boys. And you know you pointed out. It's not a inch or candidates that I think for military action Costa though I think he voted to the or Ah Ghanistan. He's supportive not Iraq but one or that he voted against was the the Gulf War back in nineteen ninety one. And that is I look back at that war. They hold out w Bush and his administration for putting together the kind of coalition that you just mentioned and I guess my question. And what is his against that or after all that was a This Coalitions With Force Ignores vindicate the principle that other countries really movers. Why wasn't that just wars issue? Well look you know majority of Democrats. It's in the Congress voted against the first of the Gulf War including Joe Biden with he was in the. US Senate voted against the question. was that of a stick to vote against it in hindsight. No no no look the question you know. Did they put together a multinational mission. Yes they did and you can look at statements of at the time from a number of people again including then senator under Biden. You know I think there was a strong sense among Democrats but not every step. Short of war had been taken in order to resolve that conflict. So you you know about the issue. The question is how quickly you go to war at other other options that you can employ short of war that will achieve your ends which is always preferable and in that case so I think the opinion of a majority of Democrats and Senator Sanders. Our Congressmen Sanders at the time. was that not every step had been taken by the administration to resolve that conflict short sort of war so jeff. I'd I'd love to pivot back to the race for a second so much of the conversation about the Democratic primary has been focused on these national. Polls where you know nationwide Shen Wide Joe Biden does have about a ten point lead over Senator Sanders but the picture in the early states looks much different. And you know in Iowa New Hampshire Biden's running third in both of those IOS behind sanders and Pete Buddha. Ge You guys have said there was a quote Unquote Bernie blackout in the media But as we've been discussing it seems like there's a lot more mainstream in recognition that he's a front runner now. Why do you think it's taken so long for that to be recognized? And what do you think you know when you say there is a quote unquote blackout. What do you think is behind that obstacle substation? The polling Is absolutely corrected. You know as you all know who have you know watched presidential politics before in primaries you know or early state. Success tends to change the the polling and later state so you know a success by Senator Sanders states will move those national numbers as well once we get into the voting of. He's you know in terms of the Bernie blackout. Look I I think that if you went around to editors at various news and to the Around Washington DC and said. Do you personally really believe that Bernie. Sanders can get elected president states. The most of them would say no because he doesn't speak to them right. He's not speaking to the needs of newspaper editors right they're much more comfortable with Elizabeth Warren. Or somebody who's more of a traditional political figure you know Bernie Sanders speaks to working class. People speaks marginalized communities breath. And that's not who is running news entities. And so. I think there's a lot of personal by it was an article. I read recently about centrist bias and in the media in general sort of idea. Yeah that fair coverage means essentially cover things right down the middle of one side clearly rider one side clearly wrong and I think at the players as well. Jeff Look I leave aside side sort of beltway pundits such as us you got to you have to make the case that you can beat president trump trump which really is the top priority for most Democratic voters. And then you look at say the latest Mason Dixon polls out of Florida and Virginia. Yeah they show. In Florida Biden beats trump's forty seven forty five but sanders loses to trump forty nine forty four and in Virginia enya which has been a pretty reliable democratic state in last couple of Elections Biden beats trump forty nine forty five and sanders loses loses to trump forty five fifty one so with numbers like that and a democratic base. That first and foremost just wants to get get donald trump out of the White House. How do you make your argument? That people should vote for Bernie Sanders pulling in other states. That obviously shows him doing better there was only Texas of trump and Texas not long ago so there's polls all over the place but this is the key to this like the way that we're gonna be trump because something fact is a very formidable opponent. And you know strong likelihood you'll be reelected frankly but the way you're going to beat him by bring out people have given up on the book of processed us by reengaging working fast people young people people young people of Color who uh sat out the race in two thousand sixteen so we need to inspire and excite a whole new. You Group of voters we're going to swell the ranks of people going to the polls and when we do that we'll be trump and take this country back. Well one you know. There's been a ton of discussion about about how much youth support you guys have. And I think that's a key component of the strategy you're talking about but something you said to me earlier that I found quite interesting. Was You keep pointing to Bernie support among Latinos. What are you seeing there? And what do you think it's coming from. Well actually fairly early in the last campaign that you know polling our polling seventy show that we won the Latino vote in and in Nevada in twenty sixteen which was the the third contest. You Know Bernie's personal immigrant story I resident resonates with the Latino voters inexperienced. You know many ways I think or any talks about the America that Immigrant communities thought they were coming to and so the sort of aspirational Vision that he puts. What's out there? I think is very appealing communities the flip side of the lifting of the so-called perky blackout. Is You'RE GONNA START GETTING A lot. More more. Scrutiny from the national press obviously does through this and another presidential election. But I just have a couple of questions that I wanted to ask you about. Let me address that. Let me help. Beauty director specific questions addressed that premise. For a second you know this notion that sort of Bernie Sanders is not cutting scrutiny. Yet is absolutely ridiculous. I you know it has less now but I used to be good and read an article and then a mainstream newspaper Wealth Social Security Fifteen Times David Brock put out every possible attack brings in his about time for his age to everything under the Sun. So this thing this notion that brings does my God scrutiny. Really is a little bit a little bit ridiculous. Just I'm happy. I'm the specific question. You had to start getting the again. I didn't know that you've got a lot of four. But in any event I have two questions one over the weekend. Senator told Robert Costs of the Washington. Post that the quote is this is about whether he's GonNa put out a funding plan for Medicare parole which Elizabeth Warren. When did that apparently has not helped very much? But the quote that Senator Centers to Robert Costa was. I don't give it number and I'll tell you why it's such a huge number and it's so complicated and if I give you a number you and fifty other people go through it and say oh spleen that what what does he. What is he saying there? Well what are you saying thing. There is a new see the attack on the debate. Stage people like Vice President Biden where he recounts his thirty two trillion dollar number. You know well not telling any then he says well Oh my penalty call seven hundred and fifty billion because Bernie Sanders is paying for the entire healthcare system. Joe Biden not telling people actually the his plan cost fifty trillion and seven hundred fifty billion billion because people are still paying all the cost of currently paying out of their pockets for healthcare. So you know it is a long and complicated discussion. That is very liberal. A very short interview. Timespan to sort of compare apples to apples between Health Care Plan so I think there are certainly been our experience that there's a tremendous amount of up suspicion on the part of folks who are putting forward the sort of half measures which are really not going to address the problem of people having access to health care and I get that point a a hard thing to do on the debate stage not advisable. But there's isn't their own way that this is something that you're thinking about putting out a more detailed plan pretty together. There's some economic columnists how do it and laying it out. Well he has. He has put forward a list of pay. fors that in the aggregate would pay for Medicare for all so you know that list of papers exists in the format but some people like but you know he and he has discussed what it's GonNa cost you know individual people in terms of payroll roll taxes. So you know he's been I think he's been very clear about. This is the only one who's honest enough to sell people that that they're going to pay for healthcare under Medicare for all. It's going to be way less than they're paying now now. But they're actually are going to have to pay for everybody else on. The debate seems to be promising. A folks that they're going to get something for absolutely nothing you're GONNA you're GonNa pay for twenty percent of the economy which is what healthcare consumes assumes painting. I mean that's a little bit ridiculous so I think he in fact has been the most honest about the healthcare crisis in this country. And how we're going to tackle it. And it will mean ended up folks are GonNa have to contribute something through their taxes but it will be far far far less than they're paying now just really quick question which is seventy years old. Take me out a heart attack He has not put out all his medical records. That is true if other candidates as well we'll put out all of his medical records. Kurt's some at some point during the campaign. Well I think he thought he put out a three actually three Letters from doctors cardiologists who have been monitoring him as as well as his. You know his primary doctor who's here seen for decades at the US Capitol. And you know those cardiologists noted he's fully capable woollen ready to be president states in terms of physical and mental ability. And I'm a little bit. There's more to say about it other than you know. I encourage onto walkers out there on the trail with him to try to keep up with them on the campaign trail. What does it do to your Bigger Jeff what are you. What does it do to your campaign glands if you have to spend much of the next month if the center has spent much of the next month sitting in the US Senate In the trial of Donald Trump. Yeah well obviously the complicating factor and we are developing contingencies. To deal with that if that's what an indeed happens and that includes increase a reliance on surrogates to make appearances insist on his behalf and As well you know when the seedings get over in the late afternoon getting on a plane flying having an event and getting back on the plane and flying back to Washington DC we'll be there for the proceedings estate and also on weekends so You know you'll be able to go. Certainly the Iowa and New Hampshire and South Carolina's are easily reached from Washington in DC. Full Harvard California because of the distance and the time change but I'm sure he'll make it. Look you know right now. The Senate is at loggerheads over this issue of of witnesses and you have Democrats and Sort of liberal liberal pundits and the media attacking Mitch McConnell Lindsey Graham for others saying they They are. They've clearly bias. They clearly can't take an oath of office promising to be an oath For the Senate trial promising to be impartial for that trial now your Guy Senator Sanders as just in the last couple of weeks called president. President Trump The most corrupt president in the modern history of this country the most dangerous president in the modern history of this country pathological liar. A racist sexist homophobic how could Senator Sanders take the oath that he will be impartial in a Senate trial of Donald Trump. Well look everybody who who is in WHO's GonNa be there is a US? Senator elected from one of the two political parties. And what you have to do. Is You have to sit there. And listen to the evidence and render a judgment about whether weather conduct that The President has done is such that he should be removed from office. And that's but I guess my point is is with comments like that. You really can't go after Mitch. McConnell for being partial in this trial not even talking about his personal by a few was talking about you know working with the White House in order to set up the process. So you're not even going to have a fair process. Never Mind you know Mitch. McConnell personally only believe whatever he wants in his capacity as senator will be part of this people proceedings to boat Harib wants to vote but you know he basically he was talking about rigging the process on the front end. You know to help in short comer to help restore press outcome. In terms of an McDonald McConnell made the point today that Schumer has been consulting with Pelosi the and so therefore Pelosi's the prosecutor was if they can consult. Why can't he consult with the defendant in the trial but I think we got one more question for you from uh-huh Hunter? Yeah Jeff I knew I know your time is short but I just really want. You mean that only on this. We're I'm not questioning your health records Jeff but you know obviously you guys would say you see Bernie. Sanders is a front runner in this race. How many candidates do you think we're down to? And you know with the prospect of potential escalation with Iran. Do you think that dynamic. How do you think that will play Out between him and Joe Biden to judge some of the centrists and the field. Well I mean we'll have to see you know how that plays out of the predicament. Now one hundred in terms of how many hunters are clearly. There are four candidates. Who are you know? Poke poling relatively close to one another. And they're always states. But you know you've seen the Andrew gangs moving up a little bit obviously raised took money so You know these things. Are you know the Iowa caucuses. Give me a tremendous amount of humor in the last couple of weeks before people go to the caucus. So you know I. I hate to say that anybody's out. You know obviously has supported. I was well thought like I'm not GonNa rule anybody out we take all of our opponents seriously we I don't want anybody off real discount. Anybody because they can you know you can do quite well in Iowa Koksal again like I said it moves while the last couple of weeks so well thank you jeff. As we've we've been speaking I just got in in my email box A statement Senator Sanders has put out about the events in the Mideast now. And I'll just read you a couple of Crates I have. This is sanders speaking. I have consistently personally opposed this dangerous path to war with Iran. But we need to do more than just stop the potential the war we need to firmly commit to ending the US military presence in the Middle East just in an orderly manner not through a tweet and we must understand that these wars have caused us so much in blood and in treasure. So I guess that gives us some idea Of where Bernie Sanders is coming from on this issue. 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Key impeachment witness Gordon Sondland fired; New poll shows Sanders, Buttigieg in tight race in New Hampshire

Erin Burnett OutFront

44:44 min | 9 months ago

Key impeachment witness Gordon Sondland fired; New poll shows Sanders, Buttigieg in tight race in New Hampshire

"Barbara McDonald here hosted the brand new podcast from h down the hill. The Delphi murders. This is the story of teens. Abby Williams and libby German and February 2017 they went for a hike in Delphi. Indiana and vanished. Nearly twenty four hours later their bodies are found also found Libya's phone which chaz video and audio of the killer who remains on the loose. You can listen now on apple podcasts out front next breaking news. Fire trump firing his handpicked European Union ambassador. Gordon Sunlen this. After he fired another key impeachment witness and his brother from the White House today plus sanders sharpening his attacks against Buddha judges. A new poll shows the race tightening. Here in New Hampshire. Is this now a two person race. The Biden campaign. Downplaying chances in New Hampshire. So what's their strategy tonight. Let's go out front and good evening. I'm Erin Erin Burnett. Welcome to a special edition about front. We are live tonight in Manchester New Hampshire where the twenty twenty Democratic presidential candidates are about to square off in their next debate. And we're GONNA and have more on that in tonight but but I we do have breaking news and I want to get straight to it just happening moments ago. President trump exacting revenge on ambassador board and silent. Who of course I was a key? Impeachment witness silent has been fired is releasing a statement reads quote. I was advised today that the president intends to recall me effective immediately as united United States ambassador to the European Union. All right but that's not the only one I mean. This is happening now across the board and other impeachment witnessed Colonel Alexander. Vitamin has been been fired from his White House. Job source telling vitamin A decorated veteran was also escorted out of the White House today by security services. Were no longer needed. His twin brother was was also fired for the White House supposedly because he's his twin brother. Well what drew the president's ire. Why are we now just after his acquittal? Getting all these firings well. Here's what Orden Sunland said under oath. I know that members of this committee frequently frame. These is complicated issues. In the form of a simple question was there a quid pro quo as I testified previously with regard to the requested quested White House call and the White House meeting. The answer is yes and Alexander Van Minh he was was on that July phone call that president trump had with Ukrainian presidents alinsky. What did he say under oath? Listen for yourself. It was inappropriate. It was improper for the president to request and to demand an investigation into to a political opponent opponent especially in foreign power where there's at best dubious belief that this would be a completely impartial investigation. Fired they're both fired now. It was purely presidential payback. According to a statement from Vin. Men's attorney he writes quote. There is no question in the mind of any American. Why this man's job is over? Why this country now is one less soldier serving at at the White House? Colonel Vin was asked to leave for telling the truth is honor his commitment to write frightened the powerful he did what any member of our military is charged charged with doing every day followed orders. You Betas Haute served his country even when doing so was fraught with danger and personal peril and for that the most powerful felman in the world do we buy the silent the pliable and the complicit has decided to exact revenge when you think about the people who have testified. You had two of them fired today. The brother of one fire today to others immediately retired. It's incredible. It's going to the White House now. Caitlyn what else can you tell us about these expiring. That are happening today. And obviously we're just moments ago finding out about ambassador. Sunlen will Aaron what we are seeing tonight here at the White House. Is the president wasted little time and getting retaliation against two of the most prominent witnesses in the democratic impeachment in Korea. Of course Gordon Sunland and Alexander Vitamin the lieutenant colonel. Who was the Ukraine expert at the National Security Council? We're just finding out moments ago about someone's departure being fired from his job after he returned back to Brussels working as you you ambassador for the United States despite his testimony that he had one of the most damning testimonies. You saw the Democrats really utilize what he said against the president more than anyone else but also it comes directly on the heels of that firing this afternoon. Not only just a one impeachment witness but also his twin brother who was also an attorney for the National Security Council that is of course the two brothers who are now expected to go back to the Defense Department. But essentially what you're seeing is a president who feels emboldened by the in fact. He was acquitted this week. And now he is going after two of the witnesses that he has complained about the most since they testified last fall about his relationship with Ukrainian radiant president essentially saying that they believed he was undermining national security. That's what Vincent testified about that phone. Call that the president had where he asked that Ukrainian leader to bring up those investigations into the guidance. And of course someone who we should remind viewers donated one million dollars to the president's inauguration. Not certainly a stranger of the president's and he has also been recalled from his post in Brussels tonight because of what he said in that testimony he draws a pretty clear line to it in his statement to the president but also goes onto the president and the secretary of state for his time here. So essentially Erin. The question is are any other witnesses going to be fired. We are checking on that not right now because there are at least several others who went forward and testified against the president. We should also note that when the president got back here at the White House today from North Carolina. He did not answer Are clearly audible questions about if this is retribution. For these witnesses testifying against the president. I do one thing in wake of that. We did have a Defense Department official Laura Cooper who was testifying about win. This aid was withheld. The questions she had about it. We reached out. We don't have a comment yet. But I should note that the defense secretary said earlier today there would not be retribution for officials who testified at least in his eyes and I guess as far as he can control them. Laura Cooper seems to be the only one the question is tonight and and right now are they're going to be more witnesses. Who will be fired all right? Thank you very much Kaitlyn is. I know we're all trying to get more information on that but I want to go straight now to Mike Quickly Democrat from Illinois. He was on the House Intelligence Committee which is of course heard from all of these witnesses right when this was broadcast to the country. When you I heard Vincent when you heard Sunland when you heard Ivanovich and everyone else Taylor Morrison Homes Williams? They all appeared before you sir so let me get your reaction. We just found out moments ago ambassador. SUNLEN fire The president obviously waited for his indication in the Senate. Do you think things would have gone any differently. Had He gone ahead and fired these people for the vote. This done anything for the listeners. Who Seem so willing to support him? Look it's a rough day after a bad week for our country. I feel like someone should apologize to a colonel van man. He testified twice before committee. What was striking to me? He is what he said when he said I knew I could come forward because I knew in the United States the truth matters. Well I guess the president is showing him as far as ambassador Sunland goes. It took him a while but it's never too late to do the right thing. He did do the right thing. He told the Truth Lincoln ahead his team of rivals. Apparently this president wants a team of synchophant. So let's talk about Sunlen. He testified that Zielinski was willing to do whatever trump wanted including investigations. He said there was a quid. Pro Quo we all remember the president. Of course this this was a guy who donated a million dollars to him right after the DESDEMONA trump. was you know beuerliein right. He was saying Oh the guy said everything I wanted to hear. Well of course he didn't and now he's gone Vin Men also said the same thing right there was a quid pro quo. The president wanted investigations and that his actions were inappropriate. His twin brother was also fired. His twin brother is there anything that can be done about this or is this just some people might be outraged. Some people might not care and move on you know. I hope that at the senators who said that this was a minor matter or that the president has learned his lesson. No he hasn't what I would tell the Republican Halloween senators who covered up this cases. You have in bolden a president who borders on autocratic presidency. You have given him this opportunity to feel like he can do absolutely anything and that ought to be very scary because the president has very tough decisions to make and the best of times and now more critical than ever. But it's clear that there's nobody out there who can say no to him. What's clear is what the Senate has said is if you were president in the future and you have the Senate in the majority if you're partisan the majority of the Senate then you are above the law? All this does right now is is. The president is reinforcing. The case against him. He's going after the witnesses that helped convict him in reality in the house and would have had it been a a fair trial in the Senate now. Of course you would. His defenders have said earlier about Colonel Vitamin and. I'm sure some will say about sunland that this is his right. People work for him. They work at the discretion of the president. And if they don't say things he likes and this is within his rights. What do you say to them? Sure do you really wanNA present United States. That just wants people who tell him whatever he wants that that forces ambassadors like Ianovich doing a good job out of the way so we can do is dirty work move forward with the scheme to go after his political rivals achieve on the next election just because he has the legal right to do. Something doesn't make it morally right and I hope this is an education for the entire American. Can people just what took place this week. This is the aftermath the Shakespeare at its worst. Thank you very much congressman Quigley Wrigley. I appreciate your time Sir. Thank you and next. Our coverage of the breaking news continues trump's Friday night purge. Is this this just the beginning. Three people who testified under oath about the quid pro quo fire tonight and here in New Hampshire tonight no clear leader when it comes to the top candidates so who has momentum coming into the debate where we are in New Hampshire and biting shaking up his staff. Will it be enough. Is Deputy campaign manager is out front this hour. Hey Everyone Andrew Freiden here host of the brand new podcast from H. L. N. down the hill. The DELPHI murders I. This is the story of Abigail Williams Liberty German. They were typical teens into arts softball snapchat and in February of two thousand seventeen they. It went for a hike on a warm day in Delphi. Indiana and vanished nearly twenty four hours after that hike. Their bodies are found in the woods. They've been murdered and the police began working a crime scene. They say they'll never UNSEE also found libby cell phone which has video and audio of the killer who three years later remains on the loose search for down the hill. The DELPHI murders wherever you're listening now Uh Book Steam Room Everybody Ernie Johnson and Charles Barkley we own a role right now. Is this a chance to blow off. Steam yes I can't brag about our show that just make you an apple. Subscribe and download the steam room on your favorite podcast APP. Every Thursday subscribed breaking news and bathroom Gordon silent a key. He witnessed and trump's impeachment investigation. Fired this news coming. Just hours after lieutenant. Colonel Alexander Vitamin was pushed out of his role today at trump advisor. Describe at this as a flushing out. The pipes sending a message to those in the administration that citing against the president will not be tolerated. which if you take a step back as a pretty terrifying thing? Since these people told the truth a witness remain at their posts. Are George Kenneth. The State Department Laura Cooper at the Defense Department David Holmes at the embassy and Ukraine Jennifer Williams worked for Vice President Pence Transitioning to another State Department job as well chief political correspondent her national political reporter for the New York Times and Ryan Elizabeth chief Washington correspondent for politico. Join me now thanks to all of you so it was already You know than men being fired and his twin brother being and fired. WHO's a lawyer for the National Security Council at the White House but his brother and now all of a sudden Gordon Silent Guy Trump loft said? He's a great guy. Right million dollar donor. Listen this is this is one of those situations where he technically at no. He officially officially has the right to do all of this. The president right. Of course he does and that was actually one of the court arguments that the a lot of the people who were supporting him made about firing revarnish. He has a right to decide who was ambassador is and who who who listen. This is obviously a much different scale. The timing of it is trying to send a signal. I mean it's not like it's thirty. He's being subtle here. The president is sending a signal. You mess with me. You testify against me. You can't work for me and in some ways you could understand if he's donald trump or anybody else. Why would you want to have the people working for you? But at the same time you also have Republicans on Capitol Hill promising that the president learned a lesson and then now this is just another example from the rally in the East Room to several other things that he's done since he has been acquitted that this shows that doesn't necessarily he's on a signal but he learned us less mistakenly sense terrifying everything. Dentist says is true but the reality reality of it is is these people all said the same thing you could if you were Republican senator decide. You didn't think it rose to the level of impeach ability or you didn't think it was a big deal but you couldn't say they all lie. Why and so what? He's saying that if you went out and told the truth I'm GONNA fire you. He's not making factual argument. He's making a political one. He is saying that impeachment speech was not a question of the country or question of the the members of the State Department saying the facts as they saw them he was he was saying it was a referendum on him that he projected. This asked this whole time what we're now seeing a combination of those rhetorical efforts. He is saying now that I am acquitted. I'm able to which again is within his power to fire those folks immediately. That is not just trying to send the signal is a clear message to anyone also swiss-based they have tried to say this was a deep state attack these or members of the State Department orchestrating against the president. The president has clearly taken that you acted on it even over the concerns an I and historical norms and they can turn the facts mentioned you know people listen realize these people especially the ones who had spent their careers working the government. They did so because they love their country. I've talked to several of them as a as evolve. You since all of their testimonies they genuinely are doing what they believe is is right every day and when they talk in their testimony about how they believe what they believe about this country and why they were there telling the truth. Here's what a few of them sat. And I think it's worth playing as a young man. I decided to spend my life serving. This nation gave my family that gave my family refuge from authoritarian oppression. It was with great pride and conviction that I swore an oath to uphold and defend the constitution. I come before you as an American citizen who who has devoted the majority of my life thirty three years to service to the country that all of us love it has been a privilege for me to serve our country and the American people for more than fifty years. This is the truth. And they're doing they're doing not only what they thought was right but what. They were taught as civil servants to do to speak up if they think something's wrong to go to Congress which has oversight authority over the executive branch and to tell the truth before Congress. So that's what you were trained to do as a government employee. I think it's useful to think about out. If this were a foreign country. We were watching this play out. How would we view this right minutes? Easy to sort of sit here and we think of this as sort of everything you know. Democrats Republicans what is happening in Europe. Somewhere we would be pretty shocked bites. This is the president sending a message. Everyone in the executive branch that loyalty is the utmost quality that you need to have if you work in the in the executive branch and that you can forget about Congress Congress as as an institution that you can go to to tell the truth is that won't protect you in the end and this is probably not. What's the end of this right? There are plenty of people who are involved in this that Still have jobs in the executive branch. What are they thinking tonight right? Should they going to work on Monday. So Oh look. Republicans especially leading Republicans say Chuck Grassley. Who spent his entire career as someone who cares about the rights of whistle blowers if they won't speak up if they allow behavior to go without any consequences then this will continue? You know what I was thinking as you were Kind of laying out. What has happened the last day with with these people being removed is that there is a difference between Gordon and Colonel Than men or carnival or Jennifer Williams or Maria Vision who are career civil servants as you said no maybe the president and his supporters call them the deep state but their career so there are people who have devoted their lives to the service of this country obviously in the case of women? He has shrapnel in his body because he paid a really hard price. Serving in war Gordon. Sawn Lynn was a sycophant Gordon political. Yeah exactly and he so in so in that case You could almost understand more. That he turned on the president he was supposed to be the president's guy. The other cases are different and more troubling I spoke to one of the people not want to today but someone else who testified after and the person told me just the struggle. They felt about the oath. They took to the person that they served and the oath they took to the country. And do you do you. Do you make a decision. Do you go to Congress. Do you speak and how hard and gut wrenching that was. Ultimately they decided ready to go and testify and speak the truth and now you look at the price that they might pay a personal price a political rice. We are seeing a president who has not cared about kind of norms indifference on this front saying not only even if you disagree with me even if you speak against me I understand that. There's kind of a larger thing at work here. Their systems of government. That must be protected here. And so I'm GonNa put that aside. That's not the view of this administration. That's not the view of this president. It is their belief in. We're seeing these actions actions today that the impeachment. The speaking in that procedure was an act against the president. And in that you he wants to he feels he can do whatever and retaliation allegation trump and Republicans today but in the long term we are defining. What is permissible for the executive branch? And there's no no reason that a Democrat who one day in office might not just think you know what I'm going to take all of the things that Donald Trump and Republicans decided we're now permissible and do the same thing. So these these things tend to be like an arms race rights once once. I breaks norm eventually. Even though Democrats may decry I now it becomes bipartisan. It also people WanNa tell the truth and I believe would tell the truth but when you're looking at losing your job and your family You know your healthcare everything that goes with that as as a regular rank and file person and as much as you go forward right next thing or do you. You say you know what I'm just going to keep my head down. Price will pass and the thing is is that those are all concrete things but it's so much harder than that. I mean. We know what has happened to did these. Two people who come forward in this day and age of social media of this tense partisanship with the kind of scrutiny. Scrutiny and dangerous sometimes they are in school i. It's really remarkable and very fortunate. All right thank you all very much. our breaking news coverage continues. And also tonight we are here in New Hampshire getting ready for the Democratic Debate Right now you've got Bernie Sanders watching one of his biggest attacks against Buddha judge. Do you think that when people receive money from palpable special interest that they're really going to stand up to those special interests sanders senior adviser. Jeff Weaver is out front. Plus a new poll shows Joe Biden in fourth place. Here in New Hampshire right now just a few days before that. Crucial vote Can you move those numbers. I can afford a fourth place. Finish all star weekend laws into the windy city. We are ready to go. Rising Stars ars stayed on all star Saturday night and the NBA. All Star game presented by Kia Sushi. All Star Twenty twenty two February fourteenth to sixty th on TNT. The wait is over coming to H.. L. Ed all new episodes of forensic files follow the evidence and crack the case forensic files to Premiere Sunday February twenty third at ten only on H. L. lead tonight sanders versus is Buddha judge. The senator previewing his attacks on the former mayor earlier today. Listen Do you think that when people receive money from powerful special interest that they really gonNA stand up to those special interests than do. It has to be done for the working class to this country. I don't think so. It doesn't work that way after a neck connect finish in Iowa. New poll tonight shows a very tight race between those two here in New Hampshire as well the NBC News Magazine Poll Shows Sanders. Leading at twenty five percent the judges at two percent the rest of the field significantly behind and if you look at the margin of error four point seven percentage points. You get the point. That's neck and Neck Jeff. Weaver is out front senior adviser to Bernie Sanders presidential campaign. All right. So is this a two to race. I mean you know when you look at that margin of error it is yet again neck and neck Bernie Sanders and people to judge well right but you saw people to many of the public polls in Iowa way down and then at the end you know had a bit of a surge so that could happen here and I was one of the other Hampshire with one of the other candidates as well. So we're taking all the candidates seriously so when when he Bernie Sanders says to think when people received money from powerful special interests. Obviously people like mayor P have received. There's a lot of money from big donors. So that is directly about budejovice. Look he's funded his campaign with a big dollar donors. He has a third party group. That's taking unlimited money. Money comes from executives from pharmaceutical companies from oil companies. A special on Wall Street and other places and say you think he will not be able to up stand up to them. Well compromises integrity. It's not about his integrity. I mean look. Let's just take an example. He was a very public supporter of Medicare for all before he started the his presidential run you started his took a lot of money from insurance company executives. Suddenly now he's against Medicare for all for all want it is what he swear. Well what you know what that means. If you don't have Medicare for all if you have Medicare or you're not private insurance at the end of the year is going to bill you on your taxes up to ten percent of your income. So is that what we're gonNA hear from Bernie Sanders tonight. I mean is he going to go after healthcare specifically. What's going to be the time? We just had him calling out special interest earlier today. Is that what we're going to see. I think you're GONNA see a contrast between Senator Sanders and the other candidates including go to judge on issues of how they fund their campaigns and what their policy prescriptions are for the country so Hillary Clinton has been highly critical of Sanders. Obviously that it's no surprise. Spend sped up and bit amped up recently a yesterday. She didn't interview with Ellen. Degeneres saying that Bernie Sanders making promises that he cannot deliver. Here she is so you've got to be responsible for what you say. And what you say you're going to do. We need to rebuild. Trust in our fellow Americans in our institutions. And if you promise the moon and you can't deliver the moon then that's going to be one more indicator of how you know l.. We just can't trust each other. You know I remember the attack back in two thousand eight about Barack Obama and UNICORNS and all this stuff that came out of the Clinton campaign about Barack Obama. Sounds a lot like what we heard back then. Frankly to me I mean you can go back and run that tape when when when when you hear are things like Medicare for all and obviously Bernie. Sanders isn't alone in that but he was a leader in that you don't think that's promising. The moon he has been honest. It's going to cost a heck of a lot of money if the lesson awesome. We pay now for health insurance in this country. Majority of Democrats supported large numbers of independence and some polls a majority of independent support at some Republicans. Pine this guy. It's why it's pie in the sky because in today's Today's Washington the drug companies. The insurance companies run the show and when Bernie Sanders was president. They won't run the show. Okay so I hear that. They've got a lot of power but what I what I what I still don't know the answer to is. How do you know that it's going to cost a whole lot more out of pocket now but less overall? That's the argument. You're making how do you. How do you really know that because the amount of money we spent on administrative waste on Bloated Insurance Company salaries on the prophets of the private insurance companies? They're going to be gone. They won't have their profits that will have to be paid out of the People's pockets the -rageous prices we pay for prescription drugs. In some cases ten times more than Canadians paid for the same drugs from the factory. That will be eliminated. All those savings will come into the system and allow us to run a healthcare system that covers everybody for less overall. When you look at the field right now you look at all the people who are GonNa onstage tonight? Mike Bloomberg isn't going to be on the stage tonight. Who Do you see as your biggest I spend the most time? Talking about Bernie Sanders is going to do on stage. That's what he always does. But just talk about the plight of the American people and how we're going to fix it now. There's no secret and you've seen it all in the media the Stop Bernie Movement you know this political establishment. The billionaire class like a pete. He booed ages that funding him if a lot of Franken Vice President Biden's campaign into his Super Pac and they always have the billionaire backstop. Which is Mike Bloomberg on March Third Bernie Sanders mckean's it means makes it through the first four and so we're going to defeat these people and now we're going to defeat Mike Bloomberg Okay and then Mike Bloomberg had said that if he's not the nominee he would help whoever is oh okay is this? Is this the moment where you say you won't take. That money is tainted billionaire money Bernie Sanders has said he will run a grassroots funded general election campaign and we you think we can raise a billion dollars in smaller money in the general elections. Issue that money exactly yes all right thank you very much. We're going to. You always good to see you all right. Hopefully we'll see afterwards. See how it goes and next the Biden campaign tonight. Downplaying expectations for New Hampshire. This evening. Why while the deputy campaign manager is out front next and the twenty twenty democratic debate is about to start? What do the candidates need to say because this matters here in a few days? You've got the crucial New Hampshire Primary Time David axelrod host of the X.. Files brought to you by CNN. And the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics each week on the show. 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Are they planning to offer plant based items on the menu. That is a big question. Also some of their favorite memories like when President Obama came to eat checkup office files subscribed today tonight. The Biden campaign downplaying expectations for the New Hampshire primary an aide telling reporters on Friday when this nomination gets to a place where diverse voices and people from all over the country have their say. We're confident that Joe Biden is going to be the candidate that they chose it comes as the Biden campaign is going through a big staffing change. Change Longtime Obama Biden confident needed done being given final decision making authority over the campaign out front now betting field by his deputy campaign manager and communications director actor. Kevin good to see you again. Thanks for this is obviously a big night. The former vice president he said look I got punch direct about it. He was honest about it. So so what. What's he doing tonight? What have you done to prepare for tonight? We'll look Joe Biden is a fighter. I mean as you said. He acknowledged he took his lumps in Iowa. But he's a fighter he's resilient his entire entire life he's always been about that comeback story and so tonight what you're going to see from him he's GonNa raise some really tough questions that voters have before them as they decide who they they want to send to take on Donald Trump. You have candidates in this race. Who are self described socialist who are putting forward thirty? Trillion dollar healthcare plans that take away freedom of choice choice from people to decide what kind of health best for them. You have candidates. Who are the mayor of a small town who maybe doesn't have the Voldemort voldemort effect right the people who go on name but I mean that's that's what he's going to be looking at budejovice and Sandra? I think there are some very important choices in this contest and I think tonight right on the debate stage. You're going to see that but you're also going to see him make a case for his candidacy. You're GONNA see a fiery case for the fact that he's the person can unite this party who can unite this country and who can beat Donald Donald. Trump's you're going to see him do that tonight so the campaign change that I reference needed done making final campaign. Decisions is according to The New York Times. What what is the purpose of this happening now? Now when people hear that they say wait is something wrong. We'll look I. I understand the tendency of everybody to sort of overanalyze. A decision. Like this right now but I would caution everybody to not read too much into it. Anita Dunn is incredibly valuable member of our team. And she's been with us since the day. We launched the campaign. She's been an integral part of our senior leadership. So this is not an Overhaul of the campaign structure. This is adding capacity. You know. Growing campaigns are successful campaigns. And so this is an opportunity to bring somebody of her incredible talent inexperience further into our decision. Making how much frustration do you feel about the the calendar. I mean the fact that you have another state you view certainly we saw from. I'm not saving today as not diverse and representative of the country where currently Joe Biden is coming in fourth and polls we'll see what happens. You don't want to fourths in a row. We'll look we go. We view the first four states as a package. I mean we have really. You think we've been very clear about our campaign strategy here. We believe that obviously diverse diverse voices should have their say in who the Democratic nominee is. And frankly since nineteen ninety-two no candidate has been the Democratic nominee for president without the support of African American and voters. So we've you the first four as a package deal in Iowa New Hampshire important part of the process. They're not the end of the process. And so we're looking forward to competing in here. Obviously we believe we're going to be competitive. We're going to be here working hard through the primary on Tuesday but we certainly view this as the start of the process and not the end of it so so Nevada and South Carolina. Which of those do you feel better about right now? Well I'm not going to handicap them. I think we believe that. Joe Biden's message. Message is resonating with voters across the country. I think certainly you've seen incredible strength From Him in South Carolina obviously he has a unique connection with African American voters. That I'm not sure that any other candidate in this race really has and so I think we believe that we're going to have good nights in Nevada and South Carolina but obviously South Carolina has a very special place. Jason Joe Biden's heart so by has been arguing. It's arrest to nominate someone who you know as you said the mayor of a small town non-tested mayor. I'm Buddha judge responded. He said it's actually Biden. Who is unelectable and the quote from Buddha Judge to TMZ yesterday? I'm sorry you saw cape for them if your focus is on electability the best way I think to demonstrate. You're a candidate who can win is to go win. Well so I think that there's a really important component here. which is is that Vice? President Biden is a person who has been on. The national stage stood shoulder to shoulder with President Obama getting meaningful change done in this country. He helped pass the affordable care correct. He helped pass the violence against women. Act I mean if voters are looking at who is the candidate who has a record of progressive change who has been in tough moments. Has I've been in the situation room when there's a crisis happening who is the steady hand Who can restore a sense of integrity to the office? I think there's no question that's Joe Biden and I think that there are other candidates like Mayor Buddha judge who certainly have impressive records but that are not That don't stack up to the record that Joe Biden is bringing in part of the reason and he's running his his experience. He believes that this is a moment where we need somebody with the kind of experience that he has and that's not experienced. That judge has all right. Thank you very much from all of what I just heard from you and Jeff Weaver. This'll be an exciting evening to watch. Thank you very much. Eight and next Bernie Sanders fierce supporters but has their top talk to take down Sanders. Critics crossed a line. Drew Griffin investigates. Plus we are just moments away from the next twenty two thousand eight democratic debate. WHO has the most at stake tonight with a no-holds-barred election right around the corner? Take a look back at some of the most hard-fought presidential races throughout history the CNN original series stories race for the White House's back for a brand new season starting Sunday February sixteenth at nine own CNN at the making of history CNN presents the story of the world's most famous royal family but windsors inside the Royal Dynasty Premiere Sunday February sixteenth at ten on CNN. Um We're in New Hampshire where the Democratic candidates are moments away from facing off in the final debate before the first in the nation primary as Bernie. Sanders looks to capitalize on his Iowa. Finish there are growing questions though about some of his fiercest supporters. If you're on twitter you see them. The Internet Army of Sanders now. Sanders has disavowed their tactics. But is that enough. Drew Griffin is out front allowed ground. They say one thing bad about Bernie Sanders online anywhere and strident sanders. Supporters may attack you personally multiple targets described to CNN an N.. What they call a sanders swarm and online army of supporters on facebook twitter? Read it some. Even digging into their personal lives lives trying to out their identity bully and frighten them into silence. MIT lecturer Michael Try says over and over again the bullying works except the type of harassment. That occurs is deeply hurtful. It's scary it's frightening Personally I've had my job threatened online. Many people have experienced far far worse and unless someone is willing to do more than yes it. It can only escalate because it's effective and outspoken Elizabeth Elizabeth Warren supporter whose daughter with Down Syndrome is just recovering from cancer. Was told your stupid like you retard kid to bed. The cancer didn't kill her sanders. Opponents are told to eat this poop and shut the F.. Up Activists Dying of a LS tweeted support for Elizabeth Warren. and was I was told. Go F yourself when the Working Families Party also endorsed Warren. It was swarmed bloodless scumbag hacks corrupt shameless one user told the group's leader who is black. Slave masters had coerced his endorsement. The abuse so bad sanders had to respond. Bond tweeting that that a LS activists was actually a friend and in another tweet the candidates signal to his followers that this campaign condemns uh-huh racist bullying and harassment of any kind. It's not clear if the Sanders followers responsible are listening in recent weeks. Trolling Senator Elizabeth. Warren has a snake an post after post labeling mayor Pete Buddha judge a rat to victims of this tells cnn they were so afraid of the online attacks they faced. They don't even want us to describe the circumstances for fear it would start up again. They both just questioned the politics Bernie Sanders in a public setting and their personal lives were exposed and attacked. Ben Decker who studies online harassment and threats says it's unclear how all this warm start but sanders supporters have been organizing in facebook twitter and Reddit communities since two thousand sixteen and have only grown stronger and while social media harassment happens across the political spectrum. Decker says the sheer number of Sanders online supporters. There's sets them apart from other followers. I think any time where you have far greater numbers you have greater potential for harm and in the online community there are far greater sanders. Supporters Decker use facebook's data to analyze all the pages created by the supporters of Democratic presidential candidates candidates and found the pro sanders pages have two and a half million followers with nearly fifty eight thousand posts in a three month period. Far More than then. All the other Democratic candidates combined if only a fraction of those engage in nasty comments they're still capable of bullying critics off offs social media and that kind of bullying. That happens at scale is it's it's crazy. Sanders has insisted in several interviews. Those who hate online online are not welcome in his campaign and in a statement to CNN. His deputy communications director says the senator has said loudly and clearly there is no no room in the political revolution for abuse and harassment online. Not Enough say those who study online abuse if you're not condemning it consistently instantly if you're proxies within your campaign are not working against it and trying to do something different than than. That's a real issue and issue of Abuse Abuse Online bullying and even threats. That experts say is only growing Aaron. It's not just some sanders. Followers criticized S. for online vitriol sanders. Speechwriter David Sirotta. Once lashed out at critics is mentally incapacitated and wrote that Joe Biden has a big corruption in problem Bernie Sanders again had to apologize on his campaigns behalf. As I wrote he did not respond to requests for comment and has deleted almost all of his past tweets. All right thank you very much true next. Bruce moments away what to watch for tonight's crucial Democratic Democrat debate once upon a time. This was the news. The Earth is flat devil Israel and that is everything that we know exactly exactly Daniel Radcliffe in St Semi Dark Ages. A Miracle Workers Anthology Suzy's at ten thirty nine thirty central on. Tbs All right. Welcome back to a special edition about front here in New Hampshire. The Democratic presidential candidates are just moments away. Okay from there debate here in Manchester. It's a crucial night. The Democrats are looking ahead. They just have a few days before the primary on Tuesday and Dana Bash is back with me here. This is debate spin room and people can. And here's the buzz behind us and obviously this debate is about to start okay first of all. We should just emphasize this as a primary. I don't even know why I'm knocking on what we will get resolved. Some say it's a primary of the winner is not just the party whose putting on. It's actually the state government right and there's only inviting into voting booth. Yes okay so this is obviously very important The first primary so who has the most at stake tonight when you look at the whole Iowa debacle and the kind of dead heat that you have between sanders and Buddha judge by coming in fourth. It's going to be a different night tonight. Obviously I think everybody except Bernie Sanders. I have everything at stake. You know Joe Biden for example. I know you had one of his advisors on. I'm told that he's been off the campaign trail Aaron for like three days. We did the CNN town hall the other night but but he's been hunker down preparing preparing for this moment tonight. He's been preparing to show what they call contrast with the people who are the most the biggest threats to him be Buddha Judge Bernie Sanders unders talking about electability talking about experience so expect him to go hard because he has to really over perform tonight and that's not me talking people who really want him to do well. It's amazing talking to her. It was very clear it was sort of. You know someone who's a first term mayor or someone who's making promises promises of thirty trillion dollar healthcare plans. I mean you know sort of made a joke about it. You know th the he's who shall not be named but I mean there it's going to be aggressive and then the sanders campaign. They made it clear. Buddha judge people judge. I'm sure it's ready yet. I was asked exactly. I was at an event this morning with Bernie Sanders. And you know he was kind of doing his Bernie Sanders thing and then he stopped and he looked at the podium and there was a piece of paper prepared for him I am maybe. And that's when he did started his line about first of all about Mike Bloomberg which was interesting about buying buying the race but then about the budget about all of the billionaires who are contributing into his campaign signaling. What we're likely to see tonight but also signaling and reminding us where we are in the race that you have Bernie Sanders taking a moment? Don't prepared moment to go after people who judge because of what happened in Iowa I mean it is. It is an incredible thing. And it's going to be an interesting two hours and for all of you so we're not going anywhere. Dan and I will be back at eleven PM Eastern. We'll be interviewing the candidates. After their debate. Anderson is up next. He has an exclusive interview with seven house impeachment. Managers see in a couple of hours a C.. 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"The promo radio vermont. It's the dave graham show on w._d. It's your show about the people places and the issues that matter the most of you now. Here's your host dave graham good morning. Promoted is tuesday august the thirteenth and year mckinney's waterbury studios of w._d. W._d. This morning and we've got a good show lined up for you. Today we call on mine is my first courses the managing editor of digger and his frequent guests on the dave graham show here on w._d. E._v. f._m. and a._m. And following colin is going to be monica callin- from the grange ancient cultural center a terrific local institution getting on its feet here in waterbury <hes>. They're going to be holding fundraising dance later this month. We're gonna talk to monica about that as well as some of the other reason activities going on at the grange hall cultural center and <hes> in the last hour of the program. We're going to have an interesting conversation. I think about jeff flooding flood insurance protecting your property both physically and financially against flood zone read egan from fema. The federal emergency management agency is is going to be my guest in the second hour and informative conversation about about that just as <hes> peak hurricane season approaches folks. We don't know if there's anything in the the forecast we don't actually think so right now but <hes> of course at this time eight august ago tropical storm irene was not in the forecast either. I don't think so there you go l. Weather happens and sometimes you need to react to it and we ought to be ready so i wanna start right out this morning my guest <hes> columbine. Thanks for coming in collin. A pleasure and column is a he's a returning champion. He actually is probably the most frequent <hes> regular guest on the dave ramsey show and we really appreciate collins participation here the managing editor of e._t. Diggers i i i think a key guy to get here because <hes> he has his finger on the pulse of so many stories in vermont and digger of course is out there gathering them up and putting them on that terrific website every day and keeping people informed vote with what goes on in our state so what's the top story digger this morning colin well <hes> <hes> bernie sanders <hes> came out last night in iowa and followed on his chief advisers <hes> comments earlier in the day <hes> that's jeff weaver and they're all all sort of going really hard at the media sort of focusing their ir <hes> on the washington post in particular. There's since <hes> burn announced <hes> earlier this year that he was running for president president again <hes> they say the washington post has really made it their job to go after him and posting critical story after critical story <hes> and you you know the senator standards <hes> showed echoes of the man he's trying to beach <hes> in the oval office right now donald trump and said that he believes the suggested certainly certainly that <hes> the reason the washington post is being so critical of his campaign is because he's gone so hard on amazon and of course jeff bezos the owner of amazon is also the <hes> owner of the washington post which is claim that you know donald trump has sort of tie the two together has talked about <hes> you know going after amazon <hes> sort of reducing their control of the market and that sort of thing because he's unhappy with the washington post coverage so <hes> sanders immediately caught a lot of flack from the media and marty baron editor of the washington post put out a quick end strongly-worded response saying that that was is absolutely not the case <hes> and that you know politicians often like to find things to blame themselves for negative media coverage and marty baron the editor of the washington post by the we of course <hes> people may recognize that name he was the editor of the boston globe during their spotlight coverage back in the early two thousands at one of the globe pulitzer prize and <hes> he he <hes> gained an awful lot of respect for handling that tough story and a very sensitive thorough way <hes> with when he was with the boston low. I was that that whole team in there. He's moved on to the washington post and eat and for the last several years now he's been the editor of the post wild jeff bezos has been the owner and barron earned insists that the visa has had absolutely no effort to interfere he never gets a phone call apparently saying here's how to handle this story or here's how to cover this politician or whatever over <hes> and and so it sounds like a bernie may be sort of barking up the wrong tree year one a little distinction between i think the media criticism criticism we hear from bernie sanders in that we hear from donald trump. Donald trump likes to refer to the media as the enemy of the american people. He talks about fake fake news all the time and that sort of thing. I don't think sanders has resorted to any of that. <hes> you know i think he sort of grouses and complains about the the coverage gets it's of course he has from vermont media from time to time as well and so <hes> this is nothing new bernie but i do think it's a different flavor flavor and intensity than the stuff we hear from the president yeah i mean that's absolutely true obviously the enemies of the people type of rhetoric and sort of when it gets to a sort of violent point and not being willing to back down from that i mean you know when i said there's echoes the two certainly they're not identical but i do think that <hes> you know bernie sanders has shown a great deal of sort of hostility distrust toward the media you know when he talks about sort of in vermont <hes> calls the one of the more noteworthy political columnists miss in the state of gossip columnist is a way of sort of <hes> not wanting to talk to him and just sort of undercutting <hes> trust and faith in you know those of us who are trying to sort right about what's going on in politics and you know i mean certainly he has <hes> no trust that there is a good faith effort to cover his campaign <hes> among the mainstream media or we're minneapolis and vermont as well. I think we're all pretty familiar with <hes> that <hes> and it does seem though that his campaign is sort of making a concerted effort to <hes> sort sort of make amends with immediate some ways i mean this is coming as they just announced that they're having a sort of campaign staff versus media a softball game in iowa so you know i think there's a recognition among you know the sanders campaign that their relationship with media outlets is not a great <hes> in some efforts sorta patched that up but at the same time seeing the stories that are out there and feeling like they have to sort of hit back at that and say that you know there's a bad faith effort to cover their campaign. <hes> the bernie sanders with it's kind of interesting to me because i was i covered in for a long time as a reporter in vermont and <hes> one of the things that i've noticed i over the years is that <hes> while all this coverage has been going on. There's we get in the media. <hes> you even on days. We're we're generally trying to be balanced and objective and all those good things but but there is a really concerted effort among various conservative organizations and so on in the state in the country <hes> i to basically basham media at every opportunity and sometimes even when these opportunities seem not to exist as in you know i read conservative columnists and it's and it's sort of like if you don't have anything to write about on a given tuesday you can always bash the liberal media and there's really been a concerted effort by the conservative elements in our country to back quote unquote bash the liberal media at least since say it really came to the fore after vietnam and watergate which is probably the last time in american history that the press seriously challenge challenge the powers the powers that be in our society and on a on a real heavy duty basis enough to bring down a president in for instance and in many ways and a war and so i think the <hes> i think there has been for for most of our careers a a just this constant carping really from the right about two liberal media and you know i've said to people before if you're driving down the road <hes> and the <hes> the the <hes> person in the front passenger he keeps yelling at you for driving too close to the center line. You're gonna stare a little bit to the right. It's just a natural reaction and so i i think people understand this and there is a there is has has been a real concerted effort to try to steer the media away from challenging the powers that be in in our in our government coming in in big business the other powerful elements in our society and you wonder if you know if bernie sanders were sort of <hes> you know republican involved in a twenty any person race <hes> making these kind of comments whether it would even be noticed you know i mean i think sort of this criticism you know <hes> you know not terribly strident but just sort of direct criticism of the washington post questioning of its motivations. I'm not sure if that were coming from someone on the right side of the sort of political spectrum whether it would leap out in the way this has but i think seeing it come from democrat during a time where the democrats have sort of been you know <hes> the defenders of a free press and in some ways during a time where the republican president is really going on the attack <hes> but at the same time you know <hes> bernie's an anti establishment candidate and you know that establishment <hes> certainly extends to companies he's like amazon and to people like jeff bezos and you know they've talked about their pride and sort of making enemies out of these <hes> mega rich <hes> business leaders. There's so the idea that you know that sort of mentality would extend to the media and terribly surprising yeah. I mean i sanders is welcome to for low wages ages or whatever you know workplace issues at amazon to criticize company like that criticize walmart whoever i just think it's really kind of he's missing the target these missing what's actually going on here. Which again is this. I mean thinking about this. Just in the tiny vermont example here you know for most of my career as a reporter i've had pick up the phone or pick up a newsletter something every few days and hear complaints from this outfit called the ethan allen institute and it doesn't matter what i'm writing. It's just i'm always i'm always too far the left if i'm at all to the left of the allen institute we've never had a matthew lyons institute scarfing at me from the left for my entire career in vermont and so <hes> you know the only the only real person out there who occasionally carps at us from the left is bernie sanders and so <hes> to to have these tanks out there and all the battery of columnists out there. You know i used to hear these complaints all the time in the seventies eighties nineties and then it occurred to me one day. There's only one person who has a regular appearance on a weekly show on a._b._c. The the the main column newsweek magazine and is a top washington post syndicated columnists this during the highlight the absolutely you know apex of the liberal media in this country that person was named george will so i i think i get a rest my case there that this is a really skewed situation here <hes> <hes> that i personally have lived with experience throughout my career and and the <hes> to watch bernie sanders pick on this one ownership relationship i the e._s._p._n. Foolish i think he really what he really needs to do is to say there is a structural thing happening here. Which is that the media had been bashed from the right for forty year forty or fifty years now and i guess what is having an effect yeah and his <hes> you know jeff weaver his chief advisor sort of extended the criticism to m._s._n._b._c. and some of the other t._v. News programs and sort of said that they've also sort of had this barrage of negative headlines and <hes> you know you talked about sort of what's actually going on here and i think think these news organizations would say what's actually going on is that bernie sanders campaign is having a really tough time. <hes> it's looking bad in the polls. You know <hes> in places like iowa. It's looking really bad which which is obviously where the attention has been this week <hes> and therefore the media's attention has been there as well so when you see him you know in fourth place or something like that in iowa <hes> you know with a v with as many sort of percentage points as joe biden who's leading the race there <hes> then why wouldn't you write stories about how you know. This is not twenty sixteen and i was not feeling the burn learn this time around. It seems and that sort of thing so i mean obviously if the campaign you know turn things around and bernie ends up being the nominee then perhaps in some ways they've indicated but <hes> <hes> you know you can hardly blame the media for you. You can sort of argue with whether the horse races the right way to be covering the presidential campaign but <hes> that certainly the status quo and as long as journalists are covering the horse race. He can't blame him for <hes> covering the latest polls which show the bernie's not doing so well yeah i mean there is some reality underneath all this after all folks so that's the other thing that any candidate has to deal with and <hes> if you're sliding in the polls your sliding in the polls and you can try to believe media for reporting that all day long but at the end of the day you need to figure out some way of getting your numbers view if you want not to be sliding in the polls so the you know it's always it is shoot the messenger kind of situation we <hes> very very often in our in our line of work and <hes> and you know i think most of us are sort of shrug it officer yes okay. We're used to it but <hes> in in terms of br in sanders understanding. I'm a little surprised that <hes> that he's he's still spinning it this way. After all of this experience that he's had <hes> you would think he would have learned by now. I i don't know maybe not yeah. I mean and i think we can agree that. If if your senior advisers having to tell media to get on the phone to try to spend the polls tell them that they're covering the wrong story then that's just just generally a bad sign for where the campaign is not a good place so all right well we will <hes> of course <hes> trying to <hes> continue continue rattling the sanders cage peace candidate sanders. The occasional hawk is the headline. I'm looking at here and you know and the reality is bernie. Sanders does have have a legitimate question to be asked of him. Which is that is historically been a critic of <hes> <hes> military spending and so on in the united states and we have this giant weapon system coming to his home city burlington vermont called the f thirty five and bernie sanders is supporting that so the fact that he has to take questions about that doesn't seem you want to is that really on the media or is that bernie's issue yeah and you know i mean he he might say that you know he's been in politics for decades <hes> and that you know on rare occasions for specific reasons he's sort of broken with his you know <hes> fight against the military industrial complex are against foreign intervention and that sort of thing but obviously when you're running for president you know that <hes> raises the scrutiny by one hundred times and you can expect that each decision or each sort of major position that you staked out <hes> you you know something that you're going to have to explain and he's just been really resistant to any sort of nuanced discussion of his <hes> you know sort of political career and instead prefers to speak in sort sort of broad strokes about his sort of political philosophies and that sort of thing which makes it really hard to sort of have a discussion with him. We did get <hes> his one of his advisors to talk about the story that <hes> are bernie reporter kit norton row looking at a few times over the decades when he has broken with his sort of <hes> anti intervention in you know his sort of peace <hes> position and has supported a foreign intervention and invading foreign countries call. Let's talk about a couple of stories at v._d._i. Has been carrying being in the last day or so. <hes> and one is that <hes> the burlington city council unanimously voted last night at two <hes> oppose the nuclear mission for vermont want de vermont guards <hes> f thirty five's <hes> the planes are due to start arriving next month though it seems like it's kinda late to be mixing it up on this stuff. Isn't it yeah i mean i hate to <hes> you know sort of break the folks but i i don't expect that this vote will <hes> prevent the f thirty five's from <hes> showing up in burlington air force. It's an old c._d. Count okay yeah forget. We didn't mean it. I mean you know the they put this to a vote. This is <hes> about a year and a half ago something like that <hes> <hes> and burlington <hes> you know the by a majority vote voted to not have thirty five's coming all <hes> they succeeded in that vote but it didn't <hes> change the air force's mind <hes> and this is an issue that came up in the legislature a few months ago which is whether or not vermont amonte will allow the f thirty five to carry nuclear weapons <hes> and there was this sort of <hes> idea out there that <hes> thirty five's how to nuclear mission and that was shot down by the air force. <hes> you know however there is this sort of idea that in the future that thirty five can be nuclear equipped <hes> and that sort of decision is would be made confidentially and therefore you know just by virtue of having these jets in vermont and in burlington they could become equipped with nuclear weapons without anyone knowing so there's been this movement the last few months to oppose in principle the idea that nuclear weapons would it'd be based in vermont i that happened in the legislature and last night it happened in the burlington city council yeah and and and again you know month at the before the first couple of these planes do arrive in september i i had <hes> we had <hes> colonel <hes> david smith of the vermont air national guard on the wing commander. They're on a on the dave ramsey show just last thursday. I believe it was and he did tell us pretty emphatically that there was no plan to have a nuclear mission for these planes leans in at the burlington international airport at the vermont airbase air guard base there <hes> so we're not any real conscious strong contrary evidence you have. Let's take the man of his word. I would think and say we doubt it doubt it's happening. Let's go to fred newbury. We got a caller <hes> good morning fred in morning. When you look at the f thirty five nuclear weapons <hes> you have to use common sense. Why would the government allow a single single pilot fly all the way across the atlantic ocean with a nuclear weapon on a plane. That's going to have to be refueled at least three times. It doesn't make any logical sense and he probably only can carry one. I mean it's just the dumbest thing i've ever heard when we've got all kinds of other delivery services probably ten times better so we're going to launch a nuclear attack against russia or something you'd probably what do it from aircraft carriers closer to russia's at the eddie or what the thing that they probably views would be intercontinental ballistic missiles submarine missiles okay they would use it wouldn't it wouldn't fly planes aww burlington and sending them yeah they wouldn't. They wouldn't even fly beef baotou over there. Yeah i mean it's just doesn't make logical sense when i can't believe people. Can i think that burlington is going to attack the soviet union with an f thirty five and it's going to be at least three four five thousand miles away. Yeah i mean it's an interesting perspective you offer their friend and that's why i appreciate the callers out there. Who will maybe maybe thinking about things <hes> i mean. Can you imagine being a commander and say. I want a single pilot. I i get your point. I think i think he i think he made your point. I'm gonna move on but i appreciate the call. Thank you very much. <hes> i think it's worth noting that the department of defense and they're sort of nuclear preparedness reports which they put together on annual basis have have included that thirty five is an important part of that <hes> as an important part of this sort of nuclear the u._s. nuclear fleet <hes> whether that's f thirty five's based in vermont or graf thirty five's based in europe you know is difficult to say at this point but <hes> sort of for those who are linking the two there is the department of defense itself has said that thirty five's will need to be nuclear capable and we'll be part of the u._s. nuclear arsenal there well. There's an interesting counter. I mean i guess spreads fred's issue. Here is that the distance of burlington from burlington to <hes> some are some of the i guess <hes> more likely targets here <hes>. It's so far that you probably would not make this flight do you do you have any sense of <hes>. I mean what's your thought on that particular point their talent. Yeah i mean one of the more interesting things that happened happened during the debate that played out in the legislature a few months ago is that you know a pilot who was based in burlington talked about having flown <hes> nuclear testing runs during his time in burlington acton saying that there were nuclear weapons stored here in the seventies. I believe <hes> so obviously very different. Technology was available then available now and <hes> there's probably much stronger air inter ballistic missile capabilities and that sort of thing but the idea that nuclear weapons would be stored in vermont for foreign wars. Is you know not remote at all. What's what's that a source told me that they were <hes> there. Were nuclear weapons occasionally trucked from the plattsburgh airbase then existent down to down to the portsmouth naval air station station right down eighty nine through vermont on flatbed trucks through burlington montpellier etc so <hes> the stuff as wouldn't be brand at new who i guess is <hes> one thing to think about <hes> and the truth is a matter. Is that whatever whatever happens. We won't know about it for until thirty years after the fact so you in the military has a huge amount of discretion <hes> to sort of keep things confidential and secret so you know what does or doesn't play out <hes> you you know we all know more discretion than transparency. That's for sure hey calling mine. <hes> i wanna thank you very much for coming in this morning. Colin is the managing editor reiki digger. The end always a great guest on the show great thanks. Hey we're gonna take a brief break for some c._b._s. News at the bottom of the hour returning couple minutes with more the dave ramsey bruce lee with us. I wish i had a dollar for every compliment. I get about our selection upstairs at the warren store. The season's collection boasts country casual clothing for men and women dresses for summer weddings and events baby clothing from suit chano and doodle pants and fair trade jewelry from around the world. I'm excited about the new line of pottery from londonderry vermont also illuminated paper stars for outdoor fun. It's a great day trip to warn village comfort lunch on the deck and upstairs for some unique retail therapy fund funky friendly and almost world-famous newsradio w._d. F._m. and a._m. Now back to the dave ramsey show in your program where this tuesday morning august the thirteenth two thousand nineteen really appreciate all you listeners out there staying with us. We've got an interesting segment coming up right now. Monica callan is my next guest. She is head of the grange hall cultural center in waterbury and <hes> i. This is an institution solution that <hes> is getting off the ground. I guess it's still fairly early in its in its revitalized career. Although grange halls have a long and distinguished career career throughout american history really as a place where communities together and i want to learn a little bit about that from monica callan to i hope and <hes> monica monica good morning thank you for joining the program completely and <hes> so <hes> you <hes>. Let's let's start out with sort of current events here and i i was reminded about. I want to get somebody from the grange hall cultural centre on to talk about the overall program there and i was reminded of that because last week popping into my email mel was a news release from you talking about it an upcoming dance at the grange hall cultural cultural center. It looks like a swing dance. Tell us about that. It's <hes> <hes> swing dance at the dance at the grange hall <hes> it's with the green mountain swing band. It's a seventeen piece live big band <hes> uh-huh so they're gonna fill the stage and about real life trombone trumpet saxophone. I'll all the bells and whistles. No synthesizers incisors folks. That's going to be really shocking. No this is an old time band or an old. <hes> you know for old fashioned fun time <music>. There's going to be a vermont swings which is an organization here in in <hes> burlington <hes> but they're kind of all over the stay the kind of people from all over the state but <hes> they're gonna come down and do a free dance class <hes> to brush up and to give you the basics at six thirty thirty and then at seven thirty. The music is going to start upstairs. This is all on august twenty fourth which i gather would be a week from this coming saturday right and <hes> so get get your dancing shoes out folks and get ready to <hes> and so what i'm thinking what are we talking about benny goodman and glenn miller kinda music or yeah okay. There's <hes> they'll probably throw in a couple of other things to other familiar <hes> pieces but yeah the <hes> it's a fundraiser for the <hes> grange hold cultural center a renovation fund and the scholarship program for the green mountain swing band give <hes> they give scholarships out to kids at school to continue ah studies with music well. I have to confess one of the reasons. It's released caught. My eye was i'm a i'm an old trombone player from way back and so when i saw this <hes> this thing about a real big band coming to the scene said <hes> while that that sort of warms the cockles a little bit and and <hes> you know i just i mean i do think that there there is a lot to be said for and i wanna put it in a plug for for listeners out there. If you check out some of the big bands they seem to be a second flowering of the big band era almost sta in the one thousand nine hundred seventies. There was some great groups back then the toshiko akiyoshi. Lew toboggan big band is my personal favourite can say that so she he also was a is a japanese pianist <hes> and and <hes> she <hes> was one of the leaders of this ban along with great great tenor sax player luther back in and they they just they did some really great stuff <hes> bill watterson manhattan wildlife refuge so there's a lot of it's not just the forties people think glen miller and woody herman and benny goodman and all those guys who were terrific by the way but there was a definitely a later a later version is i don't know whether this group will get into any of the later stuff that that came out of course a lot of folks i think remember doc severinsen the tonight show orchestra and so on and so anyway that little diversionary music history for you i want but the grandchild cultural center is also fascinating dating me because it it seems as though you do a wide range of things not just musical events <hes> was what does the overall purpose of this organization. Would you say monica callan well. The the overall purpose is to get people together to get people to know who their neighbors are do it with <hes> in a context of sharing your talent sharing being <hes> sharing fun activities <hes> exploring our tagline is create connect and celebrate <hes> <music> so anything that fits into that is really what it's all about and it's about the community. It's a place for the community to come and share what they do and um and have some fun dylan it yeah. It seems like a nifty thing now now. <hes> is this housed in a in a place that was great hall for a long time before and now sort of getting getting a revitalization. Tell us about that well so in the eighteen fifties. Nobody's really sure what year it was but it may eighteen fifties the the bell in the bell tower says eighteen sixty three <hes> and that came later but <hes> in the eighteen fifties it was built <hes> to be a baptist church coach and over time <hes> they they every winter they would sort of closed shops and move over to the waterbury center church on route one hundred so they were only feeding one stove and after a while i think what happened was they were like well. We like you guys. Why are we maintaining two buildings buildings and so they the <hes> at the same time that <hes> they were going through that process the grange hall or the <hes> the grange range organization number two thirty seven in waterbury center was growing and it outgrew the living rooms and the kitchens chins and all the other places they were meeting and so the <hes> they bought the church and they put a floor halfway up the sanctuary and created a basically a dance hall and a meeting space and then downstairs <hes> they eventually put a kitchen and <hes> so they had two floors to to work work <hes> and and to to gather so <hes> the grange hall organization was very active of course in agriculture culture because that's where their <hes> their activities based. It's a <hes> <hes> a national group <hes> i hope i can. I hope i'm speaking properly about that's because it's so close dear to so many people <hes> <hes> in this community anyway who are still around <hes> but it's <hes> you know it was it was formed to actually create <hes> a network of lobbying interests across the country because when the railroads is came through they were not giving the farmers <hes> <hes> a fair deal on their on their <hes> crops in they're the things that they brought to the railroad to send out and so <hes> it was a really powerful lobbying force. It was amazing that all these small farms all over the country. We're able to organize and have that kind of power in washington d._c. So the legislation was changed and they were able to get the proper price for their crops and for things that they brought brought to the <hes> to the market so sort of a almost fraternal organization of farmers essentially was the main germ for the things starting out yeah it was because that was that was the <hes> model that was working at that time <hes> you know is a very <hes> sort of male dominated <hes> <hes> sort of <hes> societal <hes> structure <hes> there was also a sorority <hes> it in waterbury center the re beckons were this sorority of that group and they all got together all the time and boy. Did they have fun. I hear stories about you know <unk> having dances every week or every you know several times a month <hes> upstairs and they were a little while they were having a good time. You grew up in waterbury. Is that right. I grew up in my center and what got you interested in doing in in leading this project well oh gosh well i. I drove by it every day i live. I live two miles away. I'd have to pass it through waterbury center and and you know as a kid i saw things happening there <hes> in the seventy s <hes> and then as in the eighties it just sort of died out what a lot of the activity so it was always a one it was i was always wondering what happened in that building mom and then when i was doing programming oh gosh <hes> nearly twenty years ago we we my husband and i who we create theater and so we went to the grange hall and said hey what's can we rent this out so we did programming there for quite a few years but we could only do so much because we realized that the lights that we wanna plug into theater would probably burn the place waist down where we were worried about that and so <hes> at one point we asked them if they wanted you know if we could rewire the place in have have time designated time to do the theater but they had other things going on so i think what we did was plant a seed at that time <hes> <hes> and then when tropical storm irene came into waterbury and my husband's office was destroyed and everything sort of flipped on its head it and i had been trying. I think it was three three or four times. Before tropical storm irene i had tried to generate a an arts arts center effort in waterbury. 'cause it was something that i missed as a kid. We had great support at the high school but <hes> that was that was thirteen miles away way so that was that was a lot especially in the seventies with oil embargo and driving. Was you know you only you only burn gas when you need it two so it was it was hard to get together and so it was something that i wanted and so when tropical storm irene came in. I was like wait. Maybe maybe maybe people are talking about new ideas. Maybe this is the time and so i i became a fema project champion and got a lot of information about <hes> the town and what their desires were and who was interested in that and who you know who <hes> who wanted to come on board and who wanted to see that happen to mom and in the process of looking for a place that was sustainable with the we tried all sorts of different buildings and and <hes> the grange people <hes> <hes> came to me <hes> came to us and said hey <hes> we are are in a place where we need to dissolve organization. Would you take over the building and make it a public. Keep it up in public use and we were like oh my gosh. We didn't even think about this. Yes this is perfect. This is wonderful and to be able to <hes> revitalize this building that i drove by several times a day growing up and in my lifetime i'm thrilled to have that happen and it gives us a place to do what we wanna do and it gives other people a place for for them to do what they wanna do too because there's not a lot of spaces like that in waterbury. That's really interesting and i'm trying to figure out i mean the grange. The national grange still is yeah going organization from what i can gather them and i've just been looking online a little bit find out about green and and you know they're they're out there lobbying for better rural broadband dan service so we know that something going on in these modern times realize related to grange. I haven't had a chance to reach out to them and get a lot of details on that. But what what why is it that the local chapter here in waterbury faded away to the point where they decided they needed to dissolve well. I can only tell you what i what what i understand not being grainger myself on. There's whole a whole bunch of things things that happened. <hes> events that happened that led up to that one of the biggest ones was in the nineteen eighties the legislation that the national legislation change to support the big firms the mega farms in this country to produce food and and so all the smaller farms sorta went by the wayside and they it was it was it was a struggle and at the same time <hes> if you know if my recollection of the <hes> the records the the local grains records that i <hes> have have seen <hes> there were some. I'm really charismatic. Leaders that <hes> unfortunately at the same time got sick or <hes> or died or and so the leadership <hes> was not where it was and everybody was struggling to save their farm at the same time and you know it was just a conflict of of you know a perfect rick storm to really make it difficult for them to continue and so when they came to us there were three people <hes> who were diligently working <hes> in the grain keeping things going and doing events and one of them had a heart attack and that was sort of the end of it because it was just it was too much for three people take three people in their later years to take on so long comes. Your group is then is completely separated distinct from the greens. You're just calling the green cultural center because it's in the old grange hall well and we want to honor the community work that they did and what we don't. We want to make sure that that's not forgotten in fact <hes> on october fourth. We're going to have a naming ceremony and naming <hes> the the the new kitchen that we've put in mechanical room to the people who <hes> we saw doing so much work for so many years. That's that's a nice nice thing. It sounds like it'll be a good event yeah well yeah. We hope so. It's it's <hes> it's open to the community sued anybody who wants to come and share a story <hes> <hes> that would be that would be fantastic and what is your sense about this sustainability of this. I mean i would gather any new organization. That's trying to come up with the budget in a plan and cetera. Are you confident. Are you feeling good. I'm feeling good. You know it's it's a long view you know we we are worried <hes> <hes> we are not worried about <hes> the long view. It's you know it's just just figuring out the little shifts and moves along the way we've had a bunch of surprises as is usual and nothing you know if i didn't learn anything else in the fema process. The takeout with a big takeaway is it never happens when you think it will or how you think it will <hes> so it's it's the long view view and we're just plugging away. We're doing things incrementally and we're gonna make it happen so it's <hes> whether or not it's going to happen. My particular look desired. Timeline is another is another question but you know yeah well. That's an that's great and i think your your <hes> owned and work in all this is definitely to be honored and given kudos and so don't tell me monaco. What are some of the other events we. We've talked about the jio coming dance on the big band swing dance on the twenty fourth of august. What what else you got playing. We we have so much going on here. <hes> we have <hes> a kids crow program coming in called brain dance basics. It's about kinetic learning rachel o'donnell donald and <hes> <hes> a._b. Two is coming in to do that and they're going to be running that tuesday's in from <hes> ten from ten end to eleven <hes> starting at september tenth. We have yoga classes with <hes> kate. Green leaves yoga <hes> restoration yoga classes which are awesome tom. I'm i'm sewing missing this summer so i'm so glad she's coming back <hes> we so we have this. We have a bunch of shows was coming up. We have well. We have <hes> a body beautiful exhibit happening. <hes> which is celebrating the all the different forms that the body comes in <hes> <hes> we have a book making workshop and nature journaling workshop. We have <hes> a couple of theater performances that are <hes> coming in renting the space space out <hes> and we have a stranger play fest which is an all woman created <hes> <hes> festival <hes> four playwrights from across north america geico one of them here in vermont. <hes> that's coming into the september. <hes> we have the ribbon cutting <hes> of the kitchen and naming cermony for the kitchen and the mechanical room. We have cookies hot club plan on october fifth <hes> oh i'm sorry that's october fourth the friday. That's after the ribbon cutting <hes> and that they're just really awesome. Dance band there gypsy jazz funk man coming in. They're all local and they're just amazing. <hes> we have a rusty dewees is coming in in the middle of october for two shows is on his tiny town hall tour excellent so that'll be super fun. <hes> that's october eleventh and twelfth <hes> and on october over twenty six we have <hes> just actually bumped into the other organizer <hes> on that one <hes> sarah white hair. We're gonna do a a halloween dance costume fundraiser party. <hes> thanks way is going to play. We're going to have a chili cook off. If there's going to be a costume contest rest and <hes> that's october twenty sixth <hes> the saturday before halloween and all the proceeds will benefit the <hes> grange hall all center fire alarm okay. Nobody's remembering all of this and the vermont food bank nor are they taking all these notes donna's faster years because what they're going to do is they're gonna go to your website right yeah. It's not quite up there yet. We're yeah because we got <hes> i. I'm i'm working with the <hes>. I'm working on my website with my web. Guy okay folks. Hey let's let's get a caller on the show here jim for berries unlike good morning jim hi hi good morning. I just want to commend you on your organization's. After restoring old buildings it's great to see i like this. Put back into the you know useful purpose and and and certainly as you know an asset to the community. I wanna make a suggestion though <hes> if you're going to invoke the grains name i think you should become a little more <hes> knowledgeable about the history of it <hes> i. I left the radio on because it was about rain. I i recall background interest <hes> but <hes> agriculture is it's intrinsic to the <hes> it's up the core of history in grange was integral to <hes> <hes> to agriculture all around the country and and and <hes> you sound like you have an appreciation for it and and certainly you wanted to do right by it but there's a rich history there air of why the vermont <hes> farms declined <hes>. It's not <hes> just the blame on the federal government. <hes> you know i think even even the people themselves i think probably disagree and what what the answer to that is. Your answer should not offend anyone going to just blame it on changes in federal government that support big <hes> it. It just doesn't go there. I mean there's a whole history of the whole hurt by out. An regulations regulations were huge part of it when they put in <hes> <hes> they require them to put cement flaws in the stables in the sixties that knocked out a whole bunch of people balked tearing the bulk tank from the real complicated and and and and rich history in the in agriculture and of course <hes> and in the decline of agriculture that we've seen in recent decades i would i i gather. You're you're telling us jim that's that's exactly true and and the thing is i think you could use the grain connection as this is an extension from a community activity jiminy onto a different community activities need to history jim. I got out of the end of this segment. I thank you very much for calling in this morning. You raise a good point. Wait <hes>. There's a lot a lot more behind behind what we're talking about here. Sometimes jim i'd love to talk to you further on that so contact the grange hall cultural centre and ask for monica <music>. Hey we're about the top of the hour monica callen thanks so much for coming in alaska cultural center folks and we will be back with more than eight gram show just a yeah. I wish i had a dollar for every compliment. I get about our selection upstairs at the warren store. The season's collection boasts country casual clothing for men and women dresses dresses for summer weddings and events they clothing from sue chano and doodle pants and fair trade jewelry from around the world. I'm excited about a new line of pottery from londonderry vermont also also illuminated paper stars for outdoor fun. It's a great day trip to warn village comfort lunch on the deck and upstairs for some unique retail therapy fund funky and friendly and almost world famous now back to the nave graham show w d._a._v. f._m. And we continue into our second hour here on this tuesday morning program today graham show here in w._d. And i wanna welcome to the air this morning. Tomsk materia talk media news. He joins us to broaden the lens here a little bit and get us thinking about and talking about some national and international issues. What's on your plate this morning time well good morning. <hes> you know there's a lot of things at the the pentagon is watching and still seeking clarity on i'll go through three in a real quickly and then we could talk about whatever you wish. One is <hes>. There's an investigation going on as to why u._s. Marine was killed in hostile action in iraq in confrontation with isis generally u._s. Forces are not on the front lines is in iraq any longer they provide air support logistical support the second one is what really happened in this this nuclear explosion in russia russia's testing a new you type of nuclear powered missile which of course would be huge leap in technology and then the third is <hes> the military's on concern and i wouldn't put some say alert that would be my word as to what's happening in hong kong which with the chinese military getting a position at some perhaps assault the city or something like that wow now yeah those are those are three <hes> three significant developments that doesn't count you know you look at the world. Sometimes you have growing growing feud between south korea and japan to u._s. Allies now. That's not going to lead to warfare course but you know a trade. War is already started. You have pakistan india really ratcheting up tensions as well and the you know the entire syria and all the other parts so it's it's one of those mornings where there's a lot of uncertainties as to what the day neighboring right right <hes> and there is so isis is not not dead yet. I guess the one way to put it when we look at this incident in iraq. No there's reports out this morning that the marine may have been killed in friendly fire which of course is terrible <hes> anytime when that happens any loss of life it's terrible. I don't mean to minimize it would be the first it's the first death of a u._s. Soldier to hostile fire in iraq this year so that just kind of underscores how far from the fighting u._s. troops are by design. The iraqi military is growing in its professionalism and it's it's abilities to deal with isis and other internal threats as is the plan so in that sense. It's working when i first heard this. I was puzzled because u._s. Troops groups are not in their frontline as i said earlier so is it pentagon investigation going on and you know. I'm sure that they'll tell us this week but they find and nobody has identified. If i this <hes> this <hes> marine died right now he was. We had his name we had in this story. He's he was identified. He was killed on saturday protocol. Generally is twenty four hour are thirty six hours wait so the next of kin can be notified so they sent to release out sunday. His name was there. He's a highly decorated marine and and well regarding the recipient of many honors apparently well deserved father kids. They're very he'll sad. Story story that is for sure <hes> <hes> well <hes> now this second item you have on your list this morning. Give us your not poor. I think that's a <hes> remind me which the order because i <hes> the trump administration with lisa regulation that makes it more difficult for immigrants who rely on government assistance like medicaid subsidized housing and food stamps to obtain legal status monday's announcement it falls in line with the administration's attempts to curb legal immigration in favor wealthier and more educated immigrants so this is kind of a throwback in the nineteen eighteen twenties <hes> standards when the united states is so that essentially prove your worth and how you can contribute to the country as opposed to being a drain on its assets and resources. It's <hes> it's you know according to news reports about my analysis but this they say it's designed to further tighten the ability of of immigrants immigrants from latin america to come into the country across the u._s. Mexico border <hes> most of them do not have a meet any kind of means test whatever that would be it's unclear unclear what the standard would be under this new regulation that was promulgated as they say in the federal register and of course he's. The timing is interesting. There's another one i mentioned mentioned as well about weakening the endangered species act also in the federal register. See congress is not in town now so they not that they could would stop either these two if they don't even have the opportunity because they're not in time for september and and that point thirty days we'll have elapsed if these rules are not instantaneous. Some of them are and i haven't figured that out. They've take effect thirty days so that would be a middle september. Just after congress gets back. They won't have time to act another item. In the endangered species act which is credited with bringing back the bald eagle grizzly bears other really low much love species speech back well humpback <hes> the trump administration wants big changes in this act wasn't what's going on here trying to figure out exactly what which animals would be removed or when the stipulations on encroachment into territories where they breed <hes> it's it's exploitation and exploration of for resources and development oil oil minerals of farmland others that errors were off limits and certain conditions as you know. Environmental studies have to be done to make sure sure certain areas are not affecting habitats of endangered species. That's those will be weakened under this proposed regulation. It's it's a drawback. <hes> of of the standards that have been impact is mixing signing dangerous visi law. I think in nineteen seventy two the trump administration is not succeeded in getting legislation nations through congress that would include cutbacks like this so they're doing. It's through the rule method about sides. You might hear some helicopters coming right now. Uh-huh this last night on your list this morning is <hes> is another one of these spooky stories that may not may never be completely the exposed in terms of all the facts out there that is the nuclear or accented an and i guess a nuclear weapons facility in russia in this <hes> closed lose to city of saraf pronouncing correct way up. If you look at a map it would be in the far north west of russia in in the arctic circle relatively they close to finland <hes> not an abortive but close to finland is big as you some idea where it's it's been described the city as russia's version of los alamos because the nuclear clear development and secret loopier testing in in such a so what's happened. Is this from what i can figure out from what i've been told running out of reports. The russians have made advancements in developing a missile powered by nuclear energy. Not a nuclear earlier warhead. You know just to be clear but a nuclear powered missile much like we have nuclear powered submarines and aircraft carriers the advantages are it can go faster farther farther and better maneuverability has all these advantages of the big leap and missile technology. There was an explosion last thursday somewhere in the process of the developing or the fuel mode for this missile or in the missile itself when it was test launched that's very it's unclear to me and to and many others what happened when and how but it was a severe enough nuclear explosion that at least five scientists died relatively quickly from the blast and the radiation to others have died since russia tried to cover it up but scientists around the world where he would pick up his leap in radiation action from the area and so they knew something happened and finally russia somewhat admitted what happened. This is a little echoes of gerald. Isn't it yeah <hes>. That's the immediate you know comparison being made. It's unclear a if it's as bad as noble in a sense of what kind of degree of radiation has been omitted. <hes> clearly was i said significant enough to kill five engineers relatively soon russia's secrecy abounds and so it's gonna take a long time to sign it out but people in finland they neighboring nations have to be concerned about what what kind of radiation in the air and there's another part about this. It's troubling u._s. Is according to president trump but we're developing the same kind of weapon. One of the drawbacks to it is when a new missiles powered by nuclear energy is this would be nuclear waste is generated process and and what happens waste in the missile okay so when that missile strike something for example. There's the waist then get distributed where the impact occurs is. It distributed during flight. I don't know the answers to this. That's a big big issue. You know when you're talking about nuclear waste right flying all over the world yeah yeah that is <hes> who knew that i i didn't. I did not until just the last couple of days that i'm reading a little bit about this know that we're talking about. Nuclear nuclear powered missiles now that is kind of a scary technological yeah say yeah and and have you know this is. This is the kind of thing we i mean. It seems like nothing's really changed then in russian last thirty years or so because when you you think about back the journal will which i think was nineteen eighty six <hes> the the first response to it was basically minimizing cover up nothing to see here folks yeah see the same thing going on here isn't there oh absolutely i mean <hes> everything old is new again in in that sense that hasn't changed even during the gorbachev years you know the russians were a little bit more open about things but when it came to the military and secret stuff like that even when gorbachev was the president of the soviet union <hes> it wasn't as if it was the west the opening of the west issues alright well tomsk materia syria. Thank you so much for joining me this morning. It's always good talking with you and your perspective. We will love talking again soon. I want to switch gears back to conversation. We were having having in the last segment with monica callan from the grange hall cultural center here in waterbury. We talked a little bit about the history of the local grange hall here in waterbury that now is this cultural center and i it it prompted one call from <hes> someone who said we needed to look more deeply into the grange and <hes> and then we got another call during the break from jackie folsom of the vermont farm bureau who said she would like to address the questions about about the grange itself and <hes> louis. She's on the line with us right now. Good morning jackie hey dave. How are you doing today doing well. How are you. I'm good. Would you wanna tell us about the grange well i. I am not a member and i was really hoping for one of them to call in but i wanted to clarify the fact that it seemed that the woman who was talking about them thought that they he had kind of gone by the wayside and i do want to let you know that the grange does have a really strong legislative advocacy president presence at the state house and they have a a day where they go in and they take over room chen and they visit with the legislators and i believe the person that is following legislative issues for them as jenny nelson who who is pretty well known around the community. We vermont farm bureau a couple years ago. We got wind of something that <hes> the railroads were trying to do about throwing growing up <hes> <hes> loads that go railroads and driveways go over to private property and they wanted the owners of the private property to take over maintenance so the right of ways and the railroad tracks and i did get a hold of grains because i as you had in the previous conversation the grain was founded on issues with the railroads and we went in there and advocated <hes> together as a group and we got the railroads attention and we got veterans attention and we kind of backed off a little bit so i did wanna let folks know that they still are out there and they still go to the state house. They have a legislative handbook and policies that they develop and <hes> we do work with them on occasion. So you know down the line. Maybe it'd be something they do have a really rich history and it's kind of interesting to hear <hes> what they're up to and maybe you would want to do a show with somebody from the grange and somebody from farm bureau or just from the grange but i think people need to know that they are still active. <hes> their numbers are down. I don't and i really appreciate appreciate that fellow calling in to correct the woman about the big farms taking over. There are a lot of people on all sides of farms. It's still belong to these organizations such as farm bureau and grange but there are fewer of us. I mean it's just you know when people are having a hard time volunteering because their lives are so full but i did want i did want to say david grange is still out there and they're still active at the state house and i wish someone had called in because as i said i'm not a member but i have very gratefully worked with them at the state house on some issues issues will jackie. You've given me a great idea for a topic for future segment on the dave graham show here in w._d. F._m. and a._m. And i appreciate that and i also i do want to mention that even during the segment that when monica callen was on just from googling around i figured out that the national grange is still very very active. I mean they are out there right now. Talking about ah better development of rural broadband for instance and that's a very <hes> very current issue tells me an organization that's lobbying for that is <hes> is still extent and is going strong at least on that to that degree and so they they're they're clearly not not gone completely and didn't mean to leave that impression at all <hes>. I think i think the it's it's a good good question. No and i wanna get i wanna get some folks. Perhaps on the on the show sometime next couple of weeks it just talk about where they are and how the organizations doing in vermont in nationally right now it great suggestion. I appreciate the call well. Thank you very much for letting take time into the next segment. Dave i appreciate it. I hope it informative and interesting conversation coming up with <hes> rita egan of fema and read is gonna talk to us about <hes> flood insurance and <hes> will you tell us first off. Welcome to the program. Thanks for joining me and <hes> you tell us what you want to talk purpose about well. I'd like to remind people to take a look at their own economic wellbeing and consider the fact that flooding is occurring this year especially quite often and throughout the united states areas that have not flooded before flooding so flood insurance is one thing one special weight protect tech your economic well-being. You won't have to go into your retirement. You won't have to take out low interest loans. You don't have to wait for a federal declaration. You can get flood insurance because the city of would bear waterbury warmer. I know where i'm at. <hes> is participating in the national flood insurance program so if you live in the flood zone or you do not live in the flood zone you can get flood insurance and if few don't know how to do that you can go to flood smart dot gov where it says. Why should i buy flood insurance. You can put in your address and your zip code. They'll help you find an insurance agent selling that so you would have to have it in contents and structure but what again that way. You don't have to pay the money back. You don't have to wait for a federal declaration. You know it's not going to be cancelled. If you put in one or two claims you know well. It's just one way to again. Help you. Keep going building your economic future and so you know i'm particularly curious about this because i actually live in montpellier about ten miles southeast of waterbury and read a read eating and by the way you are you told tell me from from kansas city so i'm not gonna hold your maybe thin on <hes> thin knowledge of the local geography here against you but but <hes> anyway i live in my ear and i and our houses probably i'm gonna say one hundred yards <hes> from a stream and <hes> i'll fill up a gentle kill not a real steep cliff or anything <hes> and <hes> and i'm wondering dan i sometimes wonder i've never quite figured out am i in the flood zone whom i in a flood plain <hes> and and and or my close to one do i need could be thinking about this. <hes> what it comes down to is do you own the whole mountain and are you gonna sell any property off because if you have any construction above hugh or alongside of you that can change that drainage basin that could impact you also if you are that far up understand that if it rains at your place you could potentially be affected by of you know could be overland flooding if we get real heavy rains. If the rain comes heavy enough down that you know for unless you're sitting at the very top you could be impacted so if your property because most homeowners insurance will not cover overland flooding and the way it's set up now is if you you have flood insurance then you can put in a claim and move forward. You don't have to wait for anything by overland flooding this would be. I mean we are in a yeah. Just use myself as an example because it's the thing i'm knowledgeable about but we're sort of near the bottom of a big hill and <hes> that that goes up above our house uh for i mean you can go up the road above our house and keep driving up a mile or more and and <hes> and there are quite a number of houses and other buildings so one farther up the road <hes> and i i do sometimes wonder whether you somehow there could be i dunno new gully or stream formed warmed chaplain <hes> and the and the water suddenly come down from uphill across our is at overland flooding <hes> it'd be it and keep in mind twenty to thirty percent depending on the year twenty to thirty percent of our claims come from outside the special flood hazard area and that can be what you're talking about or say you have a series of storms that come in training and if you have one little change in where the way the way the water flows was it could drastically impacted your you know impact your property. It's really interesting. I a couple of years ago well. We were having this this problem where i i just blamed it on poor design but the lowest spot on our property i happen to be a happens to be a doorway into our finished basement. That's at a grade. Iii and our house is sort of built in into the of the hill so the other end of the house. The the ground is at <hes> george. No just just below the the <hes>. What's the word i'm looking for the sills. Just <hes> the you know the ground level just below the sills at at at at the lower end of the house. The ground level is even with the bottom of this doorway and <hes> so we we have had a history of getting some water coming down our driveway from both both the front and the back of the house <hes> and it seemed to be getting worse for a couple of years from the front of the house from the street and so i talked to the city about it and told told them what was going on they came by and they put this tiny little half inch lip of asphalt at the end of our driveway <hes> and and it was quick response by the city of my appealed kudos to the city's public works department. I think they were there. The next day after i call great and <hes> they <hes> they came by and they put this little lip at the end of our driveway and that that took care of ninety percent of the pro took care of pretty much all the problem for the front of the house we still have a little water comes down around the back of the house but <hes> <hes> that was never the majority of the problem to start with so <hes> you know i'm i'm pleased with with that change but <hes> it does tell me that you know this. This is a classic case of i guess what you describe as overland flooding just appearing from the street or from the backyard or whatever and when the grounds get saturated they can't absorb any more water than it's gonna start running off and i've gotta say some of the some of the rain stores. We've had this summer. <hes> have been just torrential chill. I mean the the the the sort of per- i don't know whether <hes> this is unusual or <hes> but if i think about the the volume of water hitting a square foot of a roof or something <hes> in the in the course of re period time. Let's say a minute or are <hes>. Are there measurements like that that people use that would be something you'd have to talk to a meteorologist talking but as a reminder as a quick reminder go back to irene yeah. That's been eight years ago. One of touch on two things one irene did seven hundred thirty three million dollars worth of damages twenty. Four hundred roads were damaged or destroyed. You had eight hundred structures damaged or destroyed. Six railroad lines were damaged so that's the amount of damage that one storm arm can occur and it's been since nineteen thirty eight since the northeast has had a direct hit from a major hurricane one hundred and five hundred year floods. What does that mean to you well. I assume that that they are going to be the kind of flood we get eater every hundred years on average for every five hundred years around but not anymore now every year. It's the odds one in one hundred or one in five hundred okay. That's that's an interesting. I want to <hes>. I wanna put another coat of paint on that but we we've got to. We've got to go to about on the hour break right now for some c._b._s. News a couple of words from sponsors and really egan is my guest. We'll be chatting more about <hes> by flooding risks <hes> just after that <hes> here on the day graham show w._d. E._v. a._m. and f._m. And a._m. Probably to put it. Dana is giving them here are our engineers newell said a._m. and f._m. Oh my word that's backwards. It's f._m. And a._m. Folks not sure why why but i'll learn we'll be back in a couple of minutes here day. Bram show stay with us. I wish i had a dollar for every compliment. I get about our selection upstairs at the warren store. The season's collection boasts country casual clothing for men and women dresses for summer weddings and events they be clothing from sue chano and doodle pants and fair trade jewelry from around the world. I'm excited about a new line of pottery from londonderry vermont and also illuminated paper stars for outdoor fun. It's a great day trip to warn village comfort lunch on the deck and upstairs for some unique retail therapy fund funky and friendly friendly and almost world-famous newsradio w._d. F._m. and a._m. Now back to the day bram show. We are back on the day graham. I am show on w._b._z. f._m. And a._m. And my guest is really egan of the federal emergency management agency and she's here talking with us about out of the risk of flooding <hes>. This is a particularly. I thought timely topic for the middle part of august here in vermont because this is the time of year when when we are getting into peak hurricane season correct co we don't have a <hes> we don't really have a <hes> <hes> history of like florida or louisiana the anna do of her direct hits from hurricanes but <hes> they are still <hes> they they can still pack a punch even when they come up the coast and they are no longer hurricane strength <hes> remember tropical storm irene in one thousand eleven and rita egan <hes>. Thank you so much for continuing to chat with us about this. <hes> this morning and we were talking a little bit about just how to examine your own risk if you think about your own house or apartment or wherever you're located. Maybe you want to be thinking about your workplace. Your if your place of business <hes> what what kind of preparations do you have. If you were an downtown area many of our towns here you're in vermont were built right along riverbanks and i sound highs. Thank you know yet. I leaving my appeal year and i sometimes think if they'd been smart they would've put the park down by the rivers and put the a city up on the hill where hubbard park but <hes> that <hes> i guess people didn't have that kind of thinking back then <hes> and this becomes more important i mean we've we've heard from a wide variety of people i remember governor. Someone who was governor of course when tropical storm irene vermont he said we're going to be seeing more stuff like this in the coming decades. What is that is that this fema have that <hes> prediction as well regan well. We're we allow that to go to noah. Which is that national national atmospheric national organization for atmospheric administration. They're the ones who determine that <hes> as you saw recently they up the number of possible named hurricanes for or this year but going back to the flood insurance issue <hes> one of the reasons it is timely is not only are we close to peak hurricanes. He's in within six weeks but there is a thirty day waiting period for flood insurance so if you purchase that today it's not going into effect for thirty days so you don't want to wait until the the last minute till you see one of those storms coming up. You know the coastline to see oh. You think it's going to peter out before it hits us or will it hit us. You know hard core so oh it's another avenue but businesses you mentioned businesses businesses can purchase flood insurance for the structure and their contents. It's <hes> renters can find out from their landlords if the property is in a flood zone and if they have flood insurance but they can get it for their contents so they could go ahead hadn't do that and then of course homeowners can get it for contents and structure so no none of us really knows what's going to happen tomorrow. You know as far as the weather. Everybody can predict predict what mother nature has her own mindset and she doesn't let us know about all. I think i'm gonna throw some nice tornadoes over here and heavy rains down here right now. We have an idea but she can change your mind so yeah that that that is true. I mean people are essentially playing the odds <hes>. It sounds like you're limited. If you have this thirty day waiting period i and you suddenly see the prediction is for nasty hurricane to be hitting being the north american mainland in the next week or so <hes> it's too late too late then if you're thinking about getting a flood insurance to guard against flooding from matt storm but let's go back to irene for a minute say you live closer to where you got impacted directly from the remnants of hurricane irene and and you got a grant from fema understand that you had flood insurance purchased for you. That would have been good for three years. You would have received a letter also saying that after that time period that gives you a breathing space to get back on your feet and recoup some money then it's up to you and you were expected to maintain that flood insurance. If you did not that means you could and that's only could be found ineligible for any future federal assistance because we've given and you assistance you know we've we purchased the flood insurance for you for three years and we want you to learn from that. That's the whole purpose of you know. All of all all of the grant fema basically represents your neighbors from across the country who recognize when an event happens in a community that it goes beyond the capabilities of the local community in the state. That's when the governor will request an ask us to come in but we can only do so much so that's why not only one you always wanna remain in contact with your emergency managers to report damages but also you want to start preparing yourself and become more resilient flood. Insurance difference is one avenue but we talked earlier during the break about if something would happen whether it be flooding or anything always have a point contact preferably outside of the state where you can email or excuse me where you can text and let people know you're okay and we're the rest of the family is yes because that way you're not taking up any additional space. You know bites of information go through his text much better than they do on phones and those phone phone lines need to be remaining open to the first responders okay so <hes> i digress there. I'm sorry well the north and this is important really because i want to go to that's really the day of the flood you're talking about. You're texting now whether it's be aflutter fire anything yeah yeah but he but he even even before this event hits. I mean let let's say i'm gonna roll the clock back. It was a sunday. I remember because i is working as a reporter that day <hes> and <hes> <hes> when tropical storm irene hit vermont on august twenty eighth two thousand and eleven and and i'm sitting in my office in montpellier and one of the questions i had which i think eventually answered in the affirmative affirmative. My my car is parked outside. The office at our office at the time was run on the banks of the ski river along stonecutters way so i <hes> i was sitting there and debating. Should i move my car. You know because if the water comes up over over the over the bank of the river of i'm probably even want to run from the office myself and i going to want you know one of my car. <hes> not being inundated when i exit the exit the door of the building <hes> so i actually did move my car up to the parallel street that slightly higher elevation as speak on berry street in my peeler and is cut through there and i figured if i needed to it just run for run up the hill essentially <hes> through somebody's backyard in and over to bury st and get my car there <hes> and so you've the but i mean those kinds of planning issues there <hes> what what should be what should people be thinking in general about as they eh as they here. There's a risk of flooding and they know that their neighborhood might be prone while he should be always listening to your radio station especially the local and weather alerts which we also have fema the fema app you can download in it allow. You five alerts for different areas if you travel. Maybe you work in one city and you know you live in another. You can put in different alerts or different zip codes but once you get those kind of what you did was smart move the car. The bad news is it's probably preferable when you had that short notice rather than considering jumping through yards you might have seen what the continuity plan for the organization organization was to see if you know do you have another place to work. That's at higher elevation. You should have a proactive approach to events that are ongoing and stay alert to everything people do tend to disassociate a threat of water or flood waters with a threat threat to their existence. We bathe in it. We swim in it. <hes> we drink it. <hes> one can be that bad right right and you think i can get through that sony only a foot of water one. You don't know if that you know whether it be aside walker. The road is still there. You don't know what the current is. You don't know what's in the water. You know all of those things come into play so i would encourage people always listen to your emergency manager. You know your area better than anyone else your e._m.'s your emergency managers are even more in tune with what's going on. Listen to them if they start to say you know evacuate. Don't wait don't think you can tough it out because you'd be putting not only yourself in harm's way but you'd be putting first responders in harm's way to get me out of there exactly so look at it not only from from your perspective what you think you can handle but in case something would happen. Would they be able to help you know. Put themselves in harm's way to help you. <hes> what do i wanna be thinking about. I mean let's say the water is rising and i am. I'm i'm concluding that <hes> you know in another half an hour or so. Oh i'm going to have a foot of water in my basement. Turn off my power. What's the. I mean what what's basement. Don't go to the basement right okay. That's the first pursue because one you know. You don't know if something if the powers already been shut off you don't want to put yourself in harm's way you know so stay and you don't know what can unless you know the condition of your basement. You can start getting water quickly. You know coming over the puddings and it could fill up very fast fast. You know so. I don't know here but in the midwest where i live you know flooded basements. When you go to get the water out common rule of thumb. Is you take it down one foot and you let it sit for twenty four to forty eight hours if the water comes up that water is equalizing the pressure on the basement walls okay well you suck it out too fast then the walls collapse no then you have a whole other issue but i would not go to the basement myself. I self but that's me yeah yeah. I saw i saw reference to thinking about <hes> valuables papers. Your key documents were if you have a file. Cabinet is on the floor. That is proud of flooding yeah. It's always a good idea to have a go kit. You can put important documents and a large court-size ziplock bag having i'm ready to pull out like in one of the kitchen cabinets could be due to a fire could be due to a flood that if you have to leave your home quickly it's already. They're ready for you so just make a copy of important documents whether it be birth certificates <hes> insurance policies <hes> things of that nature wills. You know all of that stuff stuff. Just have it ready to go just in case you know and then you don't have to worry about getting you know calling your insurance agent getting copier policy. You've got it already yeah yeah these are these are things that we want <hes> to think about when the weather's nice i know nobody it's after the fact fact it's like gosh i could have done this. I coulda had this and nobody nobody thinks about the <hes> the every every real-life has some darker days and <hes> and you know <hes> i i'll tell you it just sort of a somewhat parallel situation i i <hes> would would get reminders every now and then you know <hes> from my doctor for instance health checkup phil or fill out an advance advanced directive. Would you wanna have for end of life care and that sort of thing and <hes> you know i. I finally did that. <hes> sick this past spring. I spent a couple in the hospital and you know i guess i'm kind of bored the hospital nothing to do as well finally fill out my advanced directive you know <hes> but but that is probably not time time to worry about this kind of planning stuff <hes> when when it's already hitting the fan but the other side is you know use this moment coming to you know if you think that there is no way that you could be impacted by a flood pull out your insurance. Policy looked to see what it does covered. See a few even have alternative living expenses on your homeowner's insurance so that if your house is ok but the roads are impassable are do you have enough cash on you or credit cards. You know to go to a hotel and that brings up another point to keep in mind. I know this will sound like i'm a prep for and that's not the case i went to an ice storm once and there was no electrical electrical activity at all anyone throughout this valley so you couldn't get gas because most gas stations there goes far enough inland. They did not have generators. You couldn't have any transactions because no a._t._m.'s no cash registers people. Don't do things manually there. You know everywhere so so have a certain amount of cash on hand just in case something extreme like that would happen yeah. There's a heck of a lot to think about <hes> and it's probably <hes> not a bad exercise to sit yourself down at some point and say what would i do if <hes> if all these he's monitoring conveniences went away for a few days or a few weeks or good snowstorms up here. You know getting the power grid unless you're power grid's been updated. Things could happen things just in an isolated community but if the every road is iced up like in that case you know you're not going to go anywhere because you'll slide off off. Yeah we you're. You're you've touched on a few different. Areas people might wanna think about in advance of of flooding. I just wanna make sure we've covered. All our bases is on the day of because that is something that people really want to be careful and make the right call and oftentimes is the <hes> when when you're in a disaster situation or one is <hes> blooming and and expected to be hitting you in the next hour or two <hes> the adrenaline adrenaline pumping. I'm people i think get forgetful sometimes or a little panic through that kind of thing and <hes> should they keep around any kind of a notebook or something the stuff that they <hes> you know as reminders to be thinking about. I think that's a great idea you know and accumulating and like i say have a go kit ready yeah and what should be in the notebook. What are the sort of top items that you would recommend well. It's what we've already discussed that point of contact outside of the immediate area area texts them know the plan like from if you're if you have children know if the schools want you to everybody rushed to the school at the same time you know what what their policy is on picking the kids up <hes> knowing which roads are open for evacuation. Don't count on your g._p._s. You know listen to what the emergency managers are telling you again. You know your area better than anyone else. The emergency managers know the best escape routes where you're going to be safest so listen to what what they're saying. If you have alerts on your phone always turn the volume up you know things of that nature and have that go kit. The go kit is good. Not only whether it be a fire or you have to get to the hospital quickly save. You got a phone call. Somebody was injured in an accident. It will have it will have all the the important information you would need copies of your life insurance. You're insurance everything like that. Including of course flood insurance you wanna have your policy policy whoever your insurance agent was have his phone number or her phone number there you know <hes> birth certificates things all the important documents you would need and if you really do believe you will never be impacted by anything that life throws everybody else. Still have this and pull out your insurance policies get to know no what it covers and what it doesn't cover like we mentioned the alternative living expenses. Your house may not be impacted but you can't get to it. Would you be able to get reimbursed for hotels that you might have to stay at for several days. You know those bills can add up to in a big way and sometimes they there are expenses that appeared the didn't even think of that. I mean that would be a case where your houses find <hes>. It's just that the road leading to wash out. I won't be fixed for a few days and all all of a sudden you know <hes> <hes> hotel or motel bill can really add up. We're very few days. <hes> so it is a <hes> it is something that is <hes> <hes> <hes> well worth a and is there a sort of a website with these kinds of tips there <hes> somebody can go on a nice day and say okay. I'm gonna sit down. I'm going to actually think about emergency emergency planning for a couple. You know a couple of minutes or a couple of hours or whatever i was ready. Dot gov is the one for planning and for flood insurance is his flood smart dot gov blood smart is one word and it'll give you examples what we looked up on your ipad showed that one inch of water in your house can cost on a national average twenty six thousand dollars to replay to repair your house. We have a caller on the line. It's monty and morrisville good morning monte yeah just calling in because i responded to an ice storm back in ninety seven ninety eight up in franklin county area <hes> and <hes> there was a lot of at that time was a lot of houses or a lot of firms and stuff without power and when i was listening to your guest talk it reminded me of those times and one of the problems we had back then was getting <hes> we had plenty of manpower to try to do things <hes> we didn't have the resources in order to the foot infrastructure together quickly and <hes> one of the things that i was involved with was the electrical part of it and <hes> what happened was we had electrons and stuff that were coming up volunteer but there was no material for them to <hes> repair some of the home so that people could get their power back on and <hes> i made a phone call to fema and it was really it was really a struggle to try to get an answer from bima as to what we could do because because <hes> we were looking for you know anything to set up an account for <hes> some sort of electrical supplies to get you know firms back up and running and stuff like that <hes> the national guard was very good about coming in putting in generators in certain places but <hes> the general homeowner and stuff that was <hes> <hes> struggling here in december during an ice storm to <hes> get the power back on us pretty tough and i was just wondering if your guests could suggest anything about <hes> what could be done about getting immediate <hes> funding to community that devastated. Thank you weigh in real quick. The way eight the process works is does not come in and take over we come in at the request of the governor and when i mentioned about staying in touch with your local emergency managers manager that be everything begins and ends locally so when you start giving the local emergency manager all the information of damages that have occurred. He started here. She starts collating that information and sends it up to the county in most states then on up to the state. If it goes beyond the capability of the state that's when the governor can make a request for fema week or for federal declaration again we cannot come in unless there is a federal declaration by i law we are not permitted to step around that process so we have to have a federal declaration of one kind or another before we we can step in and offer even advice but we are always in close contact literally with the state so it's the process that we have to work within well and you makes me wonder whether even on the emergency planning level at the local level you know. Should there be a warehouse somewhere with. I don't know a whole whole bunch of roles of romantics electrical wire. That's what's needed as long as it doesn't. Go out of date or you know you know brittle and then it wouldn't be worthwhile so right now whether or not there is sufficient funding available so that is a <hes>. There are a lot of considerations here and again. I i think the the the time to be thinking about them. <hes> last i checked it was a nice day outside today so here we are on a nice day in waterbury vermont talking about the not nice days which will come they <hes> they wanted to. There is an organization called for mont resilient then was put together by the state government. They were very pro active and the state itself has a great mitigation plan that they are working always trying to figure out ways ways to prevent us like what the caller you know talked about washing and they are planning towards these kind of events but that's what a mitigation plan does is you try to reduce damages for the next event so you can respond quicker and better bet is about all the time. We have this morning on the dave ramsey show here on w._d. F._m. and a._m. Mowana thank my guest rita egan for raising these issues with us. Thanks so much for stopping by and we will be back tomorrow with another edition of our program. Stay to now for the we got common sense radio program with bill sayer and we will be <hes> talking to have a great afternoon everybody.

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Trump commutes Ex-Illinois Governor's sentence, pardons Ex-New York City Police Commissioner and junk bond king; Sanders leads new Democratic poll; Bloomberg rises to second

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Trump commutes Ex-Illinois Governor's sentence, pardons Ex-New York City Police Commissioner and junk bond king; Sanders leads new Democratic poll; Bloomberg rises to second

"Happening now pardon. President Trump commutes the sentence governor and celebrity apprentice contestant Rod Blagojevich and party several others including New York City. Commissioner and Giuliani ally Bernard Kerik total confidence. President trump insists. He's the country's chief law enforcement officer even as DOC's man who actually is the attorney general bar and the President says he's allowed to get involved in Roger Stone's case but chooses not to gaining momentum Bernie Sanders leads the democratic pack by double digits in a brand new national poll just days before. The Nevada caucuses and Michael Bloomberg rises coming in second and qualify for his first debate. Tomorrow night and Dr Dangerous for her run. A virus claims the life of a second key doctor as the number of cases near seventy five thousand tonight new concerned about the risk. Medical workers are facing. I'm Wolf Blitzer. You're in the situation room former Illinois governor a former New York police commissioner and our former junk bond king are among a group granted clemency today by President Trump. Who proclaimed himself the country's top law enforcement officer tonight? He's also voicing confidence in his embattled. Attorney General William Bar and the President says he's allowed to be involved in Roger Stone's case adding that stone was treated unfairly. We're also following the Democratic presidential campaign and a new national poll that has Bernie Sanders with a double digit lead over the second place candidate former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg his son. You're is qualified him for tomorrow. Night's debate just days before the Nevada caucuses our guest. This hour include centers campaign senior adviser. Jeff Weaver and Senator Chris Van Holland and our correspondents and analysts are also standing by first. Let's go straight to the White House. Chief White House correspondent. Jim Acosta. Debbie by Jim The president announced these pardons as he was leaving for a west coast. Swing as president. Trump is flexing his muscles in the American judicial system declaring himself the chief law enforcement officer of the US and announcing pardons for high profile convicted criminals who are connected to his friends. The president is using his pardoning powers just as he is pushing for shorter sentences for two of his own convicted former associates Roger Stone and the former national security adviser. Michael Flynn but today. The president's sprung from prison former Illinois Governor Rod. Blagojevich was convicted after attempting his own. Quid pro quo beating his chest over the US justice system. President trump is standing by embattled attorney. General Bill Bar who's coming under mounting criticism for his involvement the cases against convicted dirty tricks Roger Stone and former national security adviser. Michael Flynn but I think he's doing actually job. He's a strong guy. I never spoke to him about the Roger Stone's situation I think Roger Stone's been treated unfairly. I think General. Flynn has been treated very unfairly. President insisted he wasn't involved in the stone case before going on to clear himself. The top law enforcement officer in the country even though that's the job of the Attorney General. The attorney general is a man with incredible integrity. Just so you understand. I chose not to be involved. I'm allowed to be totally involved. I'm actually I guess. The chief law enforcement officer of the country. Mr Trump is flexing his presidential powers announcing he's commuting prison sense for disgraced Illinois. Governor Rod Blagojevich as well as offering pardons for former New York police. Commissioner Bernard Kerik junk bond trader Michael Milkin and for football team owner. Eddie debartolo junior. If I look at you appeared on the trump reality show. Celebrity apprentice was convicted of trying to sell the Senate Barack Obama after he became president a crime the FBI caught on tape got hit the person and even took a jab at former FBI director James Comey claiming he had some sway over the Begovic conviction. But that's not true just Komi became. Fbi Director Years after the BLAGOJEVICH CASE. It was on for a short while. The apprentice years ago seemed like a very nice. I don't know but he served eight years in jail. It was a prosecution by the same people. Call Me Fitzpatrick. The same group as for pardons for stone and Flynn. The president said. He's nowhere near a decision as a process that people are going through. These are unrelated situations where people have done a great job with very strong recommendations. But we haven't thought about that yet while he's looking for leniency. For his friends the president is hinting. He's ready to punish more of his enemies like the mysterious writer of a scathing op. Ed In the New York Times known as anonymous together as much I I know who to tell you that. I know the President is team also straining to take all of the credit for the US economy. As Mr Trump's trade adviser claim. The Obama record was quote horrible. Even though more jobs were created on average during the last three years of the Obama Administration then the first three years of Mr Trump's presidency is a horrible economy during the Obama years we had. We had the new normal. We were sending our jobs. Offshore and and Barack Obama himself said you need a magic wand to bring half a million manufacturing jobs back and guess what President? Trump was the magic wind. Because that's what he did. Now for those pardons and commutations. The president is already getting some pushback on his decision to commute the glory of ascends with the current governor of Illinois as well as GOP lawmakers in that state slamming. Mr Trump's move in making his decision. Mr Trump said he was leaning on recommendations from high profile friends and conservative media. Figures like his outside attorney. Rudy Giuliani and Rupert Murdoch. Who Owns Fox News? It should also be known as the president said. He knew he was making life more difficult for his attorney. General as you continue to insist. He has the right to intervene in criminal cases wolf lots going on Jemma Kosta at the White House. Thank you. Let's bring in our senior justice correspondent. Evan Perez Evan. Rogers Tony's what a couple of days away from being sentenced. What's the latest on his F- I is legal teams efforts to delay the proceedings? That's going to have to wait wolf. The judge today ahead of had a conference call with prosecutors and his defense team. They wanted to go ahead and they wanted to try to get through his request for a new trial right now before he ascends the judge decided that she was going to ignore all those issues. Go ahead with sentencing on Thursday. She has yet to even react wolf to all of the things that happened last week with the president's attended intervention with the Justice Department essentially overturning the decision by the original trial team and recommending a more lenient sentence. None of that has she touched. She says she's GonNa look at the trial issue after sentencing. You also have some new reporting oven on a new team of prosecutors assigned to deal with any of the cases involving Ukraine. What are you learning? Yeah this is a very curious thing. The Justice Department today released a memo that they had issued last month. And according to this memo will fare created They've they've appointed a new US attorney in Brooklyn. Who's essentially going to be in charge of traffic copying making sure that they're no jurisdictional issues on everything having to do with Ukraine. Now this is normally the job of the deputy attorney general. This is the job of Maine Justice headquarters. It appears what this person The the prosecutor in Brooklyn is going to be doing is the the effect of this is to perhaps put some fences around what prosecutors in. Manhattan have been doing essentially making sure that no there are no more surprises that come out of the investigation. You know that Rudy. Giuliani is under investigation. There Wolf obviously the big question is what does this mean for politically sensitive cases. These are the cases that everybody's watching to make sure that bill bar or the president doesn't do they don't do anything that appears that brings political interference into the Justice Department so this the job of this new prosecutor perhaps is to perhaps make sure that none of this gets back to bill bars Fingerprints but again. It's something we're all going to have to watch because we don't know exactly what this person is going to be doing. Good point indeed. Our Evan Perez. Thank you very much. Well let's get some more and all of this Democratic Senator Chris Van Holland Barrel is joining. Us senator thanks so much for joining us. What what message do you believe? The president is sending with all these pardons and commutations in particular the commutation of Rod Blagojevich. Well Wolf. It's good to be with you This is president. Trump totally unleashed After he got out of the impeachment trial and what we're seeing is president trump despite what he said during the campaign is now the ultimate swamp monster. He's using the power of his office To help other people who were convicted of political corruption charges To help very wealthy and powerful people And he's using the Justice Department to reward his friends and punish enemies. That's what that's what banana republics do That's what we go around the world asking other countries not to do not to engage in that kind of political corruption and cronyism but that's what president trump is doing. He's again abusing the powers of his office. You expect the president to ultimately pardon Roger Stone. Maybe some other associates. I think that is part of what he's doing here. Wolf. I think he's laying the groundwork so when it comes to Roger Stone and some of the others like Michael Flynn I. It looks like this is just a continuation of a series of pardons. This is such a gross abuse of power. It's very dangerous moment. for our country In the aftermath of the impeachment trial you had Republican senators saying the president had learned his lesson. You Damn Right. He learned his lesson. He learned the lesson that he can abuse his power with punitive impunity. So this is a a very dangerous and rocky time For the country especially when it comes to the administration of Justice where president trump has an attorney general Who Acts Like he's the the president's You know the Justice Department is the president's personal playground. The president today called himself and these are his words the chief law enforcement officer of the United States. What does that tell you about his mindset? Well it tells us that. He thinks that he is King That he can call all the shots at the Justice Department. And what what that means and why. That's so dangerous. Is Lady Justice supposed to have a blindfold? You're supposed to administer impartial. Justice without fear or favor and what the president is doing is wielding the Department of Justice as a Cudgel to go after his enemies. I mean they said they're they're open to receive materials. That Rudy Giuliani Rudy. Giuliani may be bringing from the Ukraine. As part of a political opposition effort and at the same time Saying to the Attorney General and others go laid on Kgo laid on my friends go light on people like Roger Stone that is a total abuse of power Those are exactly the kinds of reasons that the president got himself in trouble to begin with But with the Senate's action After a totally. Rick Trial This president thinks he can do anything he thinks. He's above the law. The only way we're going to be able to hold them accountable at this point Is in the November elections. All this comes as you know. Senator as a group of more than a thousand federal judges called an emergency meeting to address recent interventions from the president and various criminal cases. How significant is that development unprecedent over two thousand judges People two thousand former political parties. Atarot prosecutors official to the Justice Department but now a group of thousand federal judges has also come forward right and again on unprecedented to see so many people involved in The administration of Justice coming forward to call upon Attorney General Attorney General to to resign He has to resign In order to preserve whatever shred of legitimacy is left in the Justice Department of the problem? We've got of course Is that the president will just look for somebody else. like Bar To do his bidding And that is why it's very important for the Senate If to weigh in on this But what we saw was the Senate Just totally Disregarded its constitutional responsibilities So we were at a were at this moment. Where the president is you know. Raging free And as I said earlier the only way to hold them accountable now is for the American people people of all political persuasions to recognize. This is very dangerous. You do not want a president in an attorney general using our justice department to exact political revenge on people. They don't like and to provide political favors to people they do. That is the opposite of what justice is all about and for every American. Who's in any kind of trial before any kind of judge a hoping to get a fair shake They should understand that what this president is doing is undermining that entire system of justice. Senator Chris Van Holland. Thanks so much for joining us. Good to be with you up next a very big day. In presidential politics as brand new poll shows Senator Bernie Sanders alone in first place with a double digit lead and former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg rising to second and qualifying for the next Democratic presidential debate will discuss all the developments and more with Sanders campaign senior adviser. There you see him Jeff. Weaver he's standing by live ever been locked down. You know suffered a setback. Fired left out. It happens it happens a Mike. Bloomberg middle-class kid worked his way through college got a job started. Family boom fired at thirty nine. What did Mike do or a lot of us? Do we got backup dove back in. He had an idea design a new computer able to crunch data and process information in a unique way he built it. He sold it. He built more. He sold more. He built a team. You built a company created twenty thousand jobs. Bloomberg is a doer. This is Michael Douglas. I've played a president and movies. This is real world. This is our World Mike. Bloomberg has what it takes to win unite the country find some common ground between Democrats and Republicans and then lead the way a leadership. Mike will get it done. I'm Mike Bloomberg candidate for president. And I approve. This message paid for by Mike Bloomberg Twenty Twenty as we countdown tonight. Cnn presidential town halls. We're following several major developments in the presidential contest. A new national poll of Democrats show Senator Bernie Sanders alone in first place with a double digit lead with former New York mayor. Michael Bloomberg rising to second place. Let's bring in our CNN. Political CORRESPONDENT MG Lee. She's joining us from Las Vegas Right now. What's the latest I'm Jay. What's the latest where you are well? Wolf. We are just one day away from the next Democratic debate here in Las Vegas and all the debates h tomorrow night. We'll be a new face. Michael Bloomberg a candidate who is not even competing here in the state of Nevada and the democratic establishment is getting nervous tonight Bernie Sanders feeling the momentum on the eve of the Nevada debate a new national poll showing Vermont Senator. Rising to thirty one percent with a double digit lead ahead of his Democratic rivals. And they're trying to figure out all kinds of ways how do we stop Bernie and the movement but they are not going to succeed and there is another White House candidate gaining traction billionaire Michael Bloomberg the former New York City mayor placing second in the NPR PBS. Newshour mayor's poll at nineteen percent qualifying for his first twenty twenty debate Elizabeth Warren already. Taking aim at Bloomberg's debate inclusion writing on twitter. It's a shame Mike Bloomberg Com by his weight into the debate but at least now primary voters curious about how each candidate will take on. Donald trump can live demonstration of how we each take on an ego maniac billionaire sources telling CNN Bloomberg's top advisors are playing his rivals in mock debate sessions including Sanders Warrant and Pete Gouda j.j Bloomberg advisors expecting to be targeted on numerous policy positions. His record as mayor and allegations of sexist and misogynistic remarks. He's going to talk about his work record. Brianna. He's GonNa talk about what he has done to fight for gender equality for thirty years. Mike has never tolerated discrimination or harassment at his company as tensions rise between the two men Bloomberg's campaign releasing digital video. Slamming the aggressive online tactics used by some sanders supporters. It is vitally important for those of us who hold different views to be able to engage in a civil discourse and sanders hitting Bloomberg's record as mayor to miss the Bloomberg. You're certainly not going to win when you have a record in New York City that included racist policies like stop and Frisk. Meanwhile the Twenty Twenty. Democratic candidates delivering their closing pitches. Nevada voters. Thank you for being in this fight. I want to beat Donald Trump. And I need your help to do it. As the State's Democratic Party hopes to avoid the chaos that plague. The IWA caucuses revealing very confident. You know we've had our heads down working around the clock on the last three weeks and we feel very good very confident. Now as the Nevada Democratic Party is making preparations to make sure that everything goes smoothly over the weekend early voting is already underway. Here in Nevada ahead of Saturday's caucuses Wolfgang. I'm Jay LE- in Las Vegas. I'm Jay thank you very much also joining us from Las Vegas Right now Senator Sanders Campaign Senior Adviser Jeff. Weaver Jeff. Thanks so much for joining us. I just saw some of the attacks that Michael Bloomberg is launching at your candidate senator. Sanders is certainly going to have a target on his back after this latest polling showing his number one at least in this latest national poll. How cutthroat is this going to be on the debate stage tomorrow night? We'll look why don't think it's GonNa be cut throat but I think the voters are entitled to a vigorous discussion of the issues. We saw today learn something new about a Mike Bloomberg today. We learned that he said that. In order to defend defense spending we had to cut social security Medicare and Medicaid We learned that he thinks farmers don't have a lot of gray matter We've learned that. He's opposed the minimum wage as opposed raising taxes on the rich and on and on it goes stop and Frisk. Gentrification thinks that the ending red line ending redlining racist policies that kept credit black neighborhoods by ending that led to the Great recession we had in the two thousand seven two thousand eight time period. This is not in line with Democratic voters. And I think we'll get on that stage this week. People are going to be really shocked to find out what Mike Bloomberg is really trying to sell them just to point out some of those positions. You just spelled out. He said years ago and some of them. He's already apologized for you. Don't necessarily believe he still believes all those things do you. Well what the what you're telling me. Wolf is that he's changed on all those things that people really have to think about you. Know candidates can evolve on an issue or two or have a different way of looking at something over time but candid who is completely remaking himself so that virtually every position he's ever had he's now repudiating. You folks gotta worry about what they're being sold and I think they're being sold a bill of goods here and look the answer to truck trump's right wing. Reactionary politics is not a hostile corporate takeover of the Democratic Party or of the White House. That's not the answer is attacking Senator Sanders for how some of his supporters go after his critics online. That does that behavior reflect on sanders ability to bring the country together. You've seen all those reports I have and you know Wolf. As you know Bernie. Sanders has spoken out quite strongly against those few people online. Who are acting in a way that is that is offensive. A you know. He has told them he does not want them to be part of the movement of. Let's be clear. Those people aren't running for President Bernie Sanders and running for president and Mike Bloomberg is running for president and others are running for president. And I'll tell you Mike Bloomberg would much rather talk about a people online. Who are who are offensive then talking about his own record. That farmers don't have a lot of gray matter to do their jobs. I you know I think somebody who's grossly out of touch. With much of America one person who does appear to sympathize with Senator Sanders as president trump? But Watch what he said earlier today. Listen to this. It just seems unfair. What's happening Bernie Sanders to be honest with you? I watched it happen for years ago. It seems if being taken advantage of for years ago it worries some out there. Some voters that the president president trump seems to be so eager to run against Bernie Sanders. What does that saying? What do you say to them? Well what I say is look look at those private remarks. He gave to a group of funders when he thought no one was listening a where he talked about the danger that Bernie Sanders poses to his presidency. He knows very well that the working class voters many of them that he allied to and tried to tell them that he would be their friend He knows that when he's in a general election Bernie Sanders. Those folks are GonNa come home to the candidate who actually does give a damn about working class voters and that's not Donald Trump and frankly it's not Michael Bloomberg after the chaos of the Iowa caucuses. Do you trust the Nevada Democratic Party to deliver accurate results Saturday. Well we were just at a meeting with the Democratic Party folks here in Nevada a few hours ago going over there process. I needless to say a lot of us are concerned As I know a lot of folks in the media are as well we want to make sure that the will of the voters is accurately reflected in the voting results and those are produced in a timely manner. So you know. We're watching it as are a number of other campaigns. Frankly and I know the media is as well time will tell. Well we'll be covering and every step of the way on Saturday. The data is coming up. Jeff Weaver thanks so much for joining us. Thank you wolf We have a quick important programming note for our viewers. There are five presidential town halls coming up on CNN. Starting Tonight Bernie. Sanders is first at eight PM. Eastern followed by people to Judge Amy Klobuchar Thursday night at eight. 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I mean it's good to be the king right in this moment in time we asked the ability to do so but the message is clearly sending. Is that on a case by case basis if you have rubbed elbows with the president or regularly Guiliani or someone you know you may get the grace of a pardon. The umbrella umbrella. Here's clemency and the president can say as the head branch of government what he would like to excuse what he'd like to lessen as his sentence but think about the theme here lying tax fraud the idea of people trying to sell a Senate seat all things around the integrity of office. He is now emboldened to say it doesn't matter I believe unfair in the problem here. Wolfe's if he believes the rangers unfair or the length of bear while the guideline range is the appropriate mechanism to attack not in a case by case basis depending upon preferential treatment. The curious what's behind the timing of this announcement right now because this suspicion is he sending a message out there to To Roger Stone Michael Lim perhaps others sure the president is saying I can do whatever I want. And he's also sending a message to the Attorney General that I'm not gonNA stop doing whatever I want and I don't really care about all those people in the Justice Department. Who thinks that? I shouldn't be doing things like this or I shouldn't be tweeting about my friends. But if you look at these if you look at these pardons a we know that Roger. Stone's sentencing is coming up on Thursday. This is not a coincidence. If I were Rudy Giuliani. I'd probably be a little bit worried less worried about what the southern district of New York might have in store for me given These presidential pardons if I were flying. I'd feel the same way. Maybe even Manafort who knows but this is a president who clearly feels unbound now after his He was acquitted by the Senate. He can do whatever he wants. And by the way the Democrats can complain about it but what are they going to do? And the Republicans may complain about it. But they're all in with him. So what are they gonNA do so this is Donald Trump on bound John? Harwood you cover the White House for us. How do you see this playing well? First of all I don't think we can forget the psychological element of this as well. People often say donald trump projects. What is his reaction often? When wealthy powerful people get in trouble? That's so unfair. There being put upon. He's a wealthy powerful person who consistently gets into trouble so I think he's identifying with some of those people but I also think he is flooding the zone with this kind of action. So that if he eventually takes the action of Pardoning Paul Manafort Mike Flynn Roger Stone. It's going to be in the context while I do that for a lot of people. And you know you think most presidents. They don't do it till the end of their term. Donald Trump does whenever he wants when the timing works for him. Maybe he wants someone to raise money for him. There are a lot of wealthy contributors who were supporting the parts of some of the. I think we've ever had a president who incorporated clemency and pardons as part of a re-election reelections. Yeah good point about psychology of it because Wolf of course he tied Rod Blagojevich and some Wayne is my into something like James Comey and thought about the idea rogue prosecution in a theme here and again. This is the week where he's undercutting the convictions by a jury by the way of Somebody. Roger Stone undercutting the power and the autonomy of prosecutors and finding the same vein. You know what even those who have pled guilty. Even you pled guilty. It seems like it's unfair taking responsibility. You've had a conviction and even they're getting community as well and there's a whole pardon office by the way whose job. It is looking over arching. Where are they in this? I'm wondering well. He says also that he is the chief law enforcement officer in the country. Last time I checked I think that was the attorney general of the United States. And you'll have to wonder what the Attorney General is thinking. Now he already publicly said. The president is making it impossible for him to do his job. Well has it gotten any easier and finally on the projection point One of the things. He has reacted to with rich as well. He didn't do anything all that different. From what other politicians to. That's the same reaction that's the same reaction he had when people said. Why did you take the meeting with the Russian? Any politician would take that a lot of that is about what's Donald Trump said what he might do in a similar situation. Are we got a lot more to discuss there's development unfolding as we speak? We'll take a quick break. We'll be right back. I'm Tony Shabani and I'm Aubrey Edwards. And we are the hosts of w unrestricted the official podcast of all elite wrestling. Join US each week as we go in depth with eighty team from superstar of the ring to the brightest up and coming talent to the referees and broadcast team worked talking to everyone if he w unrestricted coming Thursday February. Twenty eighth. Subscribe today. Wherever you get your podcast welcome back. We're joined now by more of our political experts including David Challinor. Cnn Political Director. In Las Vegas. Getting Ready for the first night two nights of CNN presidential town halls this new NPR PBS Newshour Mirrors Poll. As you know David Has Bernie Sanders with thirty one percent. Bloomberg One Thousand Nine Hundred Percent Biden Fifteen Warren Twelve Club. Issur nine footage eight. How significant is this right now? How strong Senator Sanders Position? Yeah we'll NBC. Wall Street Journal. Poll just came out showing similar numbers a double digit lead for Bernie Sanders nationally in this democratic race. Right now that is a substantial and significantly. It is largely built on a very strong base from younger voters from Liberal voters. And he's getting a significant chunk of the African American. Vote as you know. Joe Biden had that as his calling card but he's losing some of that critical constituency both to Bernie Sanders now ended Michael Bloomberg. Who's making gains in these polls so Bernie Sanders is in the driver's seat of this nomination battle right now after a very strong showing in Iowa and a win in New Hampshire heading into the Nevada caucuses where folks on the ground believe he is very well organized and and perhaps positioned to come away with a win here too. He is in the driver's seat. Of course there's a whole new element getting introduced to this race tomorrow. And that's when Michael Bloomberg takes the debate stage tomorrow night and Gloria. How much of a threat is Michael? Bloomberg to Bernie Sanders and the other Democratic presidential candidate. But he's a huge threat. First of all he has unlimited resources. I think the only person right now who is funded well enough to really go toe to toe with him for a while is Bernie Sanders. Who's raised an awful lot of money? I say raised an awful lot of money. It hasn't come out of his of his own pocket. But I think Bloomberg takes an if you just look at both of these polls he takes from Joe Biden Amy Klobuchar who is getting a head of steam and sort of a moderate alternative in the race and Buddha judge also as as a moderate alternative in the rice and so I think you see that these people are struggling and tomorrow night. It'll be really important to watch how Bloomberg gets attacked and whether anybody else Kloba Shar can gain traction the way she did in the last debate and distinguish yourself so much. Bring your think this potentially could wind up as a two man race Bernie Centers Michael Bloomberg. Well I think as Gloria pointed out this is still a very crowded field and there are a number of candidates who are vying to be that alternative to Bernie Sanders and they're not about to step aside having competed now for nearly a year for someone who jumped into the race at the last minute in November and who has largely gained traction in part because he has spent his own money and roughly three hundred and eighty million dollars into the race having said that Buddha judge despite leading the overall delegate race going into Nevada and South Carolina more diverse states might hit the first real stumbles of his campaign because he has failed to really gain traction with non White Voters Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren Down but not entirely out. They're going to need another breakout moment in order to still remain competitive and I think really Joe Biden his failure in both Iowa. New Hampshire has paved the way for Bloomberg in the national polls. You are seeing some of those candidates also now effectively go. After Bloomberg on the stump in a preview of what's to come in tomorrow's debate and that is also a sign of the fact that the of them seeing Bloomberg increasingly as a very real threat when it comes to the race for the nomination and a hand it over. I want to to listen to the president. President trump way again today on the Democratic race. Listen to this. It just seems unfair. What's happening to Bernie Sanders to be honest with you? I watched it happened four years ago. It seems you're being taken advantage of for years ago are actually a little smaller your face. What's what's your thought. Well my thought is. The president. Likes to sow discord in the Democratic race. He wants there to be sort of chaos and confusion and by the way. I think he'd be pretty psyched about facing off against Bernie Sanders. I think he's developed a pretty clear message against him. I'm not sure everyone in this camp feels that way but my got he is trying to get discord on the democratic side. Our guys standby there's more news. We're following including this top. Doctor Dies from the corona virus raising serious concern about the risks to medical work at the making of CNN presents. A story of the world's most famous royal family the windsors inside the Royal Dynasty Sundays at ten on CNN tonight. China's reporting more deaths from corona virus including a senior doctor C. N. N.'s. Brian Todd is working. The story for US Brine medical experts they clearly are worried they are wolf medical experts in the. Us are worried on a couple of fronts over this concern about whether the Chinese have the right equipment to fight this virus. And whether the manpower is there tonight on the front lines of the war against Corona virus there has been a heartbreaking and costly casualty tonight. Chinese officials say Dr Liu Jiming Director of a hospital in the city of Wuhan. The epicenter of the Corona virus outbreak has died of the virus. Lee was a neurosurgeon. The most senior health care worker known to have died during the epidemic. Experts say Dr. Leo's death is sounding more alarms over the dangerous faced by caregivers who are treating corona virus patients directly. It's dangerous because the patients who are ill are the ones who are at the greatest risk of transmitting the infection. When they breathed out there the air they breathe out is full of this virus. Doctoral used death comes a couple of weeks after the death of another doctor. Li when Liang the man who warned of the corona virus early on and was vilified by Chinese officials tonight. Medical experts are worried that appropriate equipment to treat corona virus may be in short supply in China that some health care workers. There may not be properly trained a key concern whether the deaths of the two prominent doctors will scare other doctors off from the crucial fight against the virus. It may provide a caution to some doctors but I think the vast majority whether in China or here will live up to that oath that they've taken and want to take care of the patients so far there are more than seventy three thousand confirmed cases of Corona virus worldwide and nearly nineteen hundred. People have died if this spreads more diffusely throughout the world is the possibility we may actually have a global pandemic in the US about three hundred fifty people airlifted out of Wuhan and quarantined at to California basis. Were released after two weeks. Doctors say they pose no threat of transmission very transparent so I feel very comfortable an American woman who tested positive for corona virus on board the cruise ship. The diamond princess has been isolated at a hospital in Japan. It messes with your mind and I never really felt so alone I haven't actually had physical contact with anybody outside of somebody. You know taking my blood pressure or checking right lunch with the stethoscope and twelve days. In China Kalina virus has caused some seven hundred eight million people to live under some kind of restrictive movement. That's taking a significant toll on China's economy and America's apple has told investors its profits are down and for the moment it's not making or selling as many devices as it usually does in China apple makes almost all of its products in China and the problems for the rest of the world are part. You know China's a key component of the supply chain system. This is a big headwind for the global economy I think it's going to take off. A couple of tenths of a percentage point from the global economy. Meanwhile there's news tonight about that ill-fated cruise ship the diamond princess in Japan which had hundreds of people test positive for corona virus. Some passengers on board who tested negative for the virus are set to sort leaving that vessel within hours. They will start to transition to shoreside facilities to be checked out further and some are going to get on chartered flights tomorrow but ask the Americans who are leaving that ship tomorrow. The State Department has told them they still have to wait two weeks to return to the US all right Brian. Thank you Brian. Todd reporting coming up. A flurry of presidential pardons plus the sentence commuted for former Illinois governor celebrity apprentice contestant contested Rod Blagojevich.

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"From New York City the epicenter of the pandemic. This is democracy now. It seems like it's actually doing any artist. Author Arts told people feel today a democracy now. Tv Radio broadcast exclusive an interview with the world. Renowned singer Songwriter Fiona Apple. She just dropped her new album. Fetch the goal cutters bolt cutters to covers. Still Bolt Cutter. Fiona apple includes an acknowledgement of the indigenous land. Where she made her music. On the album's cover she'll be joined by native American activists Aaron of ceding sovereignty who talks about covert nineteen and indigenous communities especially the outbreak a Navajo territory and New Mexico. What's happening right now? Is what I feel a continuation of genocide that significant genetic peoples in this country since its inception Aaron wise and Fiona Apple for the hour all that and more coming up welcome to democracy now democracy now dot org the war and peace report. I'm Amy Goodman the. Us death toll from the cove. Nineteen outbreak has topped fifty. Six thousand but more evidence is emerging that the actual death toll is far higher. A new study by a team at the L School of Public Health found there were over fifteen thousand excess deaths in the United States during the month of March and first days of April. The figure is nearly double what officials have been citing as the death toll from the pandemic during that period worldwide. The known death toll has topped two hundred. Eleven thousand though. The true number is also expected to be much higher. This comes as the Washington Post is reporting intelligence agencies warned president trump about the threat of the corona virus in over a dozen classified briefings in January and February. The warnings came in the President's daily brief which trump regularly skips reading according to the post sources. Despite the warnings the president continued to downplay the severity of the threat into February on Monday. President trump was questioned about the fallout from his dangerous suggestion. Last week that injecting disinfectants might help patients sick with cove in nineteen very specifically said. They seen a spike in people using disinfectant. After your comments last week I know you said they were sorry. I can't imagine why I can't imagine why. Yeah any responsibility. Auto Texas Governor Greg. Abbott said the state will start reopening businesses including restaurants movie theaters and shop starting Friday but that they can only fill up to twenty five percent of their licensed capacity for now he's still on the rise in Texas. Texas has reported twenty five thousand cases and around seven hundred known deaths Ohio said manufacturing would be allowed to resume and offices will start to reopen next week. Meanwhile reported corona virus deaths in California top seventeen hundred Monday. California Governor Gavin newsom condemned residents who flocked to beaches over the weekend amidst a heat wave in southern California. We are just a few weeks away not months away from making measurable and meaningful changes to our stay at home order. That is a very optimistic. Point de-emphasize however that's driven by data. It's driven by behavior and as we change our behavior. We can impact the science the health and the data. This virus doesn't take the weekends off. Virus doesn't go home because it's a beautiful sunny day. President trump announced he'll give the in person commencement address at West Point forcing a thousand cadets. Who'd been told to leave campus and march to return for graduation. West Point officials say they were unaware of trump's plan to go ahead with the address until he mentioned it earlier this month at a news briefing. The New York State Board of elections has cancelled the Democratic presidential primary scheduled for June. Twenty third after removing Bernie Sanders from the ballot while other states have postponed primaries due to the current a virus outbreak. New York becomes the first outright cancel a planned primary the Bernie Sanders campaign blasted the decision calling it. A quote blow to American democracy while Sanders suspended his presidential campaign earlier this month. He decided to remain on the ballot in upcoming primaries in an attempt to accrue more delegates to influence the Democratic Party's platform at the party's convention. A law signed earlier this year. By New York Governor Andrew Cuomo gave New York State Board of elections the power to remove candidates who have suspended their campaigns from the ballot senior Sanders Advisor. Jeff Weaver said quote just last week. Vice-president Biden warned the American people that president trump could use the current crisis as an excuse to postpone the November election while he now has a precedent. Thanks to New York State. Weaver said primaries will still be held in New York for other races on June. Twenty third. But turnout is expected to be much lower. The United Nations is urging the United States to release imprisoned immigrants as corona virus cases continue to mountain overcrowded and unsanitary immigration. Jails across the country. As of last week confirmed cases and Immigration and customs enforcement prisons near three hundred and other immigration news staff at the privately owned Otane Mesa detention center near San Diego did not allow a group of activists deliver nearly one thousand facemasks to immigrants imprisoned inside the group was accompanied Friday by San Diego Assemblywoman Lorenzo Gonzalez who said quote. These are human beings. We don't have mass deaths but we know where this is going. She said in legal news. The Supreme Court declined to temporarily halt the trump administration so-called public charge rule which allows the government to deny green cards to immigrants who use public benefits such as food stamps earlier this month. Connecticut Vermont and New York State and New York City asked the justice to reverse the rule in light of the economic devastation brought on by the pandemic which has hit immigrant communities especially hard as the total of confirm cove in nineteen cases in the United States. Nearest one million more evidence indicating far more of the population has been affected while not showing any symptoms. Reuters reports a study of prisoners and Arkansas North Carolina. Ohio in Virginia found ninety six percent of prisoners in the state's prison system. Who tested positive for virus did not show any symptoms in New York? Two more prisoners at fishkill correctional facility have died of cove. Nineteen the fishkill in sing. Sing prison's account for at least seven of the nine. Cova nineteen related deaths of incarcerated people in New York in California the LOMPOC Federal Correction Complex. Which has one of the largest corona virus outbreaks? Prisons were reportedly reinstate phone contact between prisoners and loved ones after sustained pressure from families of inmates family members gathered outside the prison. Saturday claiming they had not been able to communicate with their loved. Ones some for up to two weeks as Germany relaxes. Its Corona virus locked down. A new law has gone into effect requiring residents to wear face masks in many public spaces across most of the kind of tree those violating the new rule as well as businesses that do not enforce the law can be subject to fines. British Prime Minister Boris Johnson. Who returned to work this week after its own battle with a corona virus said it was premature to lift the nation's locked down. I refuse to throw away all the effort and the sacrifice of the British people and to risk a second major outbreak and huge loss of life. The overwhelming of the UK has recorded over twenty one thousand deaths so far in other news from Britain. A judge has postponed extradition hearings for wikileaks. Founder Julian assange which were set to go ahead next month due to the corona virus locked down earlier this month assange's fiance made an urgent plea for his release from Belmarsh Prison. Midst the pandemic Sweden's ambassador to the United States is said. Stockholm could reach herd immunity. Sometime in May. In contrast to many of its European neighbours Sweden has imposed much more relaxed restrictions keeping most businesses open over. Two thousand people have died of cove in one thousand nine hundred Sweden a significantly higher death toll in relation to its population than neighboring Denmark and Norway. Which both impose strict lockdowns the World Health Organization has warned. There is no evidence that patients who have recovered from cove nineteen or immune to reinfection the World Health Organization is warning that is Health Systems. Become overwhelmed with combating. The Corona virus people are at heightened risk of succumbing to other diseases and health conditions particularly children many poorer countries reported shortages and vaccines and essential medicines amidst the pandemic the World Health Organization's director general said African nations are increasingly vulnerable as cases across the continent mount and a new modeling analysis published last week estimates the potential disruption to malaria services from. Koby nine hundred in forty one countries in sub Saharan Africa. In the worst case scenario the number of Malia is upside enough you could double with other with over forty five hundred confirmed cases. South Africa is one of the hardest hit nations on the continent. Nobel peace laureate Archbishop Desmond. Tutu said the corona virus Hasbro racial inequalities into stark relief. He said the virus has done the country a ghastly favored by exposing the unsustainable foundations on which it spilt. That must be urgently fixed. He said in a statement in related news over two hundred doctors from Cuba arrived in South Africa. Monday to help fight the outbreak in Guatemala. Nearly a hundred immigrants recently deported from the United States have tested positive for Kovic nineteen making up some twenty percent of Guatemala's krona virus cases the Guatemalan government indefinitely suspended most deportation flights from the West saying lonely. Allow them to resume. If the US improves screening protocols El Salvador President Naive Kelly has authorized police and military to use lethal force against gang members following a spate of homicides. In recent days linked to gang activity authorities say more than fifty people were murdered over the weekend after prison gang members allegedly ordered the killings behind bars shocking images many of which were shared bouquets own twitter account show prisoners crammed together with only some wearing face masks says prisons enforce around the clock lockdown down on what they say are gang members which includes putting metal sheets over prison bars and housing prisoners from rival gangs in the same overcrowded cells. Krona virus cases have been mounting cross prisons in Latin America as human rights advocates in public. Health experts call on authorities to release nonviolent prisoners in Chile. Dozens of protesters were arrested. Monday in the capital Santiago is anti-government demonstrations continue in defiance of lockdown orders. Demonstrators are calling for constitutional reform and the release of political prisoners among other things a referendum on new Chilean constitution was meant to take place Sunday but was postponed due to the corona virus lockdown. Police fired tear gas and sprayed protesters with water cannons. This is a seventy four year old protester and Santiago anniversary. I believe of the most repudiated the most hated organization by a great majority of two lanes which is caught up in. A few words rapists murderers tortures Rita leaders and I hope someday they will disappear in a police corps will be created. That will be absolutely different with unrestricted support for people's human rates in Pakistan. Dozens of doctors and nurses are on hunger strike to demand adequate personal protective equipment while treating corona virus patients more than one hundred fifty medical workers have become infected by the corona virus. Several died including a twenty six year. Old Doctor who just begun his medical career last month. Police arrested more than fifty protesting. Doctors Cove in one thousand. Nine cases are on the rise in Pakistan with fourteen thousand confirmed cases and around three hundred known. Deaths of the true numbers are believed to be much higher in New Zealand. Prime Minister just send Arjun said. The country would slowly start to reopen. After strict lockdown measures had helped eliminate community spread of covert nineteen. Only one. New Case was reported Monday. Overall over eleven hundred cases in nineteen deaths have been confirmed in New Zealand aid. We must have hunt down the last few cases of the virus. This is like looking for a needle in a haystack. And we need your help to finish the job we have started. There is no widespread undetected community transmission in New Zealand. We have won that battle but we must remain vigilant if we keep it that way back in the United States activists in Washington. Dc Form Car and bike caravans on Monday in a show of support for essential workers and to call out the disproportionate toll of the pandemic on black and Brown communities the actions which organized by several local groups including black lives matter DC and shutdown DC also called for D Carson ration- and Environmental Justice. More actions are set to take place throughout the week in the lead up to may first new developments in the sexual assault allegation against Joe Biden. Broke Monday as two more people who knew Tara Reid. In the nineties have come forward to corroborate details of her account which McHugh reports and business insider that former neighbor. A former Biden staffer. Tara Reid said the pair discussed the assault in detail. In which then Senator Biden allegedly pushed our read up against a wall and digitally penetrated her. The alleged assault happened in nineteen ninety-three. When Reed was working as a staffer in his office. A former colleague who also knew read in the mid nineties said she had spoken of being sexually harassed by her former boss in Washington. Dc The latest news brokest Joe Biden King to significant endorsements Monday from house speaker. Nancy Pelosi in Washington Congressman John. Paul who co chairs the Congressional Progressive Caucus the Biden campaign has denied Tara. Reid's allegations atop your doctor who treated corona virus. Patients in New York died by suicide. Sunday Dr Lorna Brain was the medical director of Emergency Department at New York Presbyterian. Alan Hospital but had been staying with her family in Virginia. At the time of her death she herself had contracted the corona virus and had to leave her position to recover from the illness. Her family blames her job for her death. Her father said in an interview. She had described harrowing scenes from the hospital. Make sure she's praised as a hero because she was her father. Dr Phillip Bream said in an interview adding. She's a casualty just as much as anyone else who has died. He said and in Virginia Jerry. Gibbons a prominent anti-death penalty activists who was one source of the state's chief. Executioner has died from complications related to covert nineteen given served as Virginia's chief executioner for over twenty five years but after serving his own prison sentence. He became an outspoken abolitionist. Speaking out against capital punishment and contacting politicians in an attempt to hold executions. He was sixty seven years old. And those are some of the headlines. This is democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I'm Amy Goodman. Still both cutters to still bolt cutters. Fetch the bolt cutters. That's the name of the new critically acclaimed album just released by singer. Songwriter feeling apple into a world. Under lockdown Fiona. Apple's fifth album was released months early due to the unprecedented corona virus pandemic. The remarkable album has become somewhat of a soundtrack of our time with emotionally raw songs. Including Ladies Relay and of course fetched the Bolt Cutters Music website. Pitchfork gave the album a ten out of ten score its first perfect rating and nearly a decade. The record also includes land acknowledgement. The bottom of the track list on the back of field apples album cover reads quote made on unseated Tunga Mescalero Patchy and Suma territories. Well Fiona Apple joined us on Friday from her home in Los Angeles along with native American activists. Aaron Wise Aaron is a native American organizer with ceding sovereignty and indigenous led collective. Fiona Apple supports ceding. Sovereignty has launched a rapid response initiative to help indigenous communities affected by the outbreak in New Mexico. Navajo nation is the epicenter of the outbreak throughout native America and has the third highest infection rate in the country following only New York and New Jersey. I began our conversation with Fiona asking her about her new album. Congratulations on this album. Did you expect anything like the global acclaim that you are getting right now upon this release no? I did not. It's a little bit uncomfortable to the is but I just wanted to release the record in a time when I thought it would ha chance to be listened to and I'm so so happy that it turned out to the. It seems like it's actually doing the thing that I any artists would want to do. Is just help people free especially now. I mean what could be a better name and title for your album and Song. Then fetch the bat bolt cutters for our time. Cut Talk about how you came up with that. Well I was at home. And they're usually and you're my my housemate. Zelda and I were watching the show. The fall starring Gillian Anderson and We're just eating dinner wanting a television show. And there's a scene where she's going to rescue a young girl from where she thought was locked behind the store and they're supposed to wait for backup and she just sort of throws away as long as she says festival cutters and shot this down. This is exactly what my this is going to be called tonight. I wrote on on Jock word. I got a tattoo so the title before you came up with the song. Oh yes I I. The the the song vegetable cutters was actually the second to last song that I wrote for the record and it was just a it was sort of the last thing that I had on my mind after the combination of everything going on in my life that I use. Thanks this all on just see also that I can find to get out of here and then of course soon as I sought soon as I was like. I'm going to get out of here then. We got on lockdown so so. Fetch the both cutters. The album includes land acknowledgement. You've described it as sort of last song of the album. Talk about what? This land acknowledgment means to you. Well talking about doing land acknowledgments. She wanted to start this project. Which I think is amazingly smart and would be so nutritious for for Americans. Is that when artists go on tour that they acknowledged the lands the unseen bear performing on and perhaps educate people airing will current people about the tribes that lived on this territories so that we can keep aware of where we are with. The story is on now the fact that we can't tore now until probably twenty twenty two maybe twenty twenty one Means that I can't do that on the road so Aaron brought this to me. When album was finished she said I wonder if he would concern doing this on that on the album and I thought absolutely of course it's makes total sense and yes. I would love to do that in I. I do think that putting that on my album as opposed to just like you know saying something like I support this cause and an end the act of giving songs eating steak requests. He then close to me in my life so that it's not just like a one time thing that I'm just saying this 'cause right now because it's kind of interesting bombs to the foot off over there after it's over and just be done this way. I'm tied into it with something that I may now has more meaning because it's Is attached to them on. So it's a way for me. Also a life commitment to be listening into be able to be a friend in some in whatever best way I can. So you say made on unseeded Tunga Mescalero Apache and Suma territories. Where are you well? I'm in Los Angeles and that would be and then we did go to Texas for a little bit. It was entirely in this house. We had gone and done a session on on a ranch in Texas and Aaron. I gave Aaron the addresses of any place. Any anything was down the and the the mixing studio my house and the Sonic ranch in Texas and she took those addresses and told me what the real addresses of those places. Arches is these territories and just very important to keep on saying it it. It's not it's not in everybody. Everybody's Daily let people thinking about this every day and they really should be that we are not living on land that was ceded to us and not only that but I mean I'm sorry if I'm getting ahead of myself here but I I was reading once I was done with this album. I am not interested in myself so much anymore. You know so. I'm starting to read the news a lot more. And I'm ashamed of how uneducated I am but I don't WanNa let that shame keep from being in conversations and keep me from asking questions keep before being able to be useful to people because it's that she aim or that does that that that keeps people from one to enter conversation. I I just I just think this is always relevant and it always will be that needs to be constantly constantly be reminded of it. Singer-songwriter Fiona Apple. She just released her latest album. Fetch the coal cutters. We'll be back with Fiona and native American activist. Erin wise in a minute Mr Dr Hours Bullpen. Raise our own. Get ALL SO. Show hours into presenting your propaganda shore. Donald and hating our have entertained a relay for burn terms past. Liz Remove burn times to pass the dark time to pass until they slow. Downtown relay by Fiona Apple or her new critically acclaimed album. Fetch the bolt cutters. The album includes a land. Acknowledgement made an unseeded. Tunga Muscalero apology and Suma territories. This is democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I'm Amy Goodman. As we continue our interview with Fiona Apple who joined us four the interview along with Aaron Wise Member of the Hickory Apache nation and Laguna Pueblo. People she joined us from Phoenix Arizona errands and organizer with ceding sovereignty and indigenous led collective that feeling apple supports ceding. Sovereignty has launched a rapid response initiative to help indigenous communities affected by the spread of cove in nineteen in New Mexico. The Navajo nation has the third highest corona virus infection rate in the United States following only New York and New Jersey. At least fifty nine people have died from the virus in New Mexico. Native Americans makeup more than one third of the state's corona virus cases but only ten percent of the population Navajo nation president. Jonathan Nez had to quarantine after exposure to cove in nineteen earlier this month. He said of the unfolding catastrophe quote. We Are United States citizens. But we're not treated like that. We once again have been forgotten by our own government. He said I spoke with Aaron wise about the spread of cove in one thousand nine hundred Navajo nation. And I also talked continued with the apple but I began by asking Erin to tell us about the land Jewish joining us from now hi. I'm on unseated. Autumn territory so in Phoenix Arizona. Right now and you're really writing a manual on land acknowledgments for People. Were hearing this for the First Time. I mean Fiona Apple does a land acknowledgement on her album. They may not really even know what that is or when people stand up when they're giving a talk making that kind of land acknowledgement. I explain what this is all about and explain your own heritage Aaron Choice should. I'm Hickory Apache Laguna Pueblo. So I was raised in so-called New Mexico at the base of the Colorado rockies around a bunch of grandparents and attentive elders which is why the work that ceding sovereignty is doing right now is so important in terms of land. Water acknowledgments their formal recognitions of any and all original people's defenders and protectors of territories. That have been unseated by indigenous peoples. So basically what we're asking is for folks to do the first step. It's really a first in a series of many steps towards reclaiming land reclaiming culture and also returning land eventually on but having folks be aware of the territories that they're on learn the histories at the original people's and also learn the names of these life ways like the rivers and also are different creeks in our oceans and realizing that there are people that recognize all of these lands and waters on these more than human kin by original placenames by original on names given to them by the Creator and encouraging folksy land acknowledgments managements in public settings in those water acknowledgments really calls the spirits of those things into life. And if you can talk about how you see land. Acknowledgments is just one step short so land acknowledgement. There's a lot of work that needs to be done. Beyond it right. A lot of folks in indigenous communities that are experiencing huge inequities and so going to a place in saying this is unseeded. Tumba territory is one thing but like Fiona said this is an ongoing effort. You can do the first step you can educate yourself but those also work that needs to be done and how can you help people whose territory you benefit from. If you're a business operator what are you doing in your business to ensure reciprocity with the communities that you are benefiting from from Mary Ray Shirt from the genocide that happened on their land on. What is it that you're doing in your own personal life? To ensure that folks are you able to reclaim their existence and also to eventually see our territories returned to us. I think that's the ultimate goal with limited knowledge. -ment is led back and if you can talk about how the Corona Virus Pandemic now is infecting and effecting in digital communities you right now are in Phoenix Arizona. How it's affecting people in Arizona particularly the Navajo people in New Mexico. Which is really called the epicenter of the of the Corona virus pandemic in indigenous territory. It is an right now. I just want to honor that there have been forty nine deaths on the Navajo nation. So I WANNA you know. Lift my hands to the folks who are navigating on burials and things that they need to do without ceremonies and access to protocol. Do you want to just also bring to light that they are over twelve hundred cases on the Navajo nation? Folks aren't also looking at the fact that the surrounding Pueblos that are nearby the Navajo nation in New Mexico specifically are also being heavily impacted and we're seeing upwards of fifty cases on some quick blows and limited limited access. What's happening right now? Is what I feel. A continuation of genocide that's existed against indigenous peoples in this country synthesis inception and explain where the Navajo Nation Spans. Yes sure the Navajo. Nation expands across on the four corners. So it exists a bit in Colorado Utah Arizona and New Mexico. And so you're saying about the outbreak there and how it's being dealt with yes so the outbreak in Navajo nation is similar and not just in Navajo nation but in New Mexico. In general it's similar to the ways that the government has responded to a lot of things in indigenous communities. Folks are showing up with supplies that aren't adequate for the needs of the communities if supplies showing up at all There aren't any doctors that are being afforded to the areas greater than on some community members that have gotten together and decided that they're going to go to the Navajo nation to support on. There are some federal mobile testing squads that have shown up but in general. We are seeing a huge disparity between the support that's being offered to non people of the global majority in the United States so to say non people of Color and realizing that it's not just indigenous communities that are being impacted but all folks of color across the United States where you're seeing across neighborhood nation in the Publicity Mexico that there are folks basically being treated as if they are just kind of the fodder for this government's response to the corona virus. They are being sacrificed and often predeceased by the headlines. That are being circulated news outlets I keep seeing headlines that say This corona virus could wipe out entire tribes entire indigenous nations. And I don't think folks really realize that there are over. Five hundred and seventy federally recognized reservations and nations and also all these unrecognized nations that exist is so it's not like anybody going to wipe us out in one fell swoop there. He tried that and it didn't work. Can you talk about what ceding sovereignty is and what it is? You're trying to do ceding. Sovereignty is an organization that is indigenous and women lead. We are all query identifying in some way and The work that we're doing right now to address. Kobe is a three faceted rapid response program so basically we have a mask drive where we have actually raised money to purchase a ninety five grade masks. We purchased ten thousand of those. We're also purchasing on another additional twelve thousand masks that are hybrid material. That can last up to six years of taking care of properly that we are going to be providing to the Navajo nation and indigenous communities in New Mexico. Additionally we have a petition asking folks to put pressure on the government to demand that they provide expeditious support tuned agendas communities not just in New Mexico but across Turtle Island folks that are being overlooked and treated as sacrifice zones for this pandemic. You've talked about the theme of genocide. And I wanted to ask you to address the way. The legacies of colonization colonialism erasure have set the stage of. You've described it for the response to what's happening in Indian country right now so we sign treaties over one hundred and fifty years ago many of the tribes that are currently being impacted ensuring that we would have access to life our cultures and our general health. And I think that folks don't realize that this pandemic and the fact that there is so little access and so little support being provided to indigenous communities black communities I really do feel like it is a continuation of the colonial project to kill the Indian and save the man. I think that folks are really looking at people of the Global Majority folks of color in this country but are being hit by corona virus. And they're really seeing the health inequities and education in equity and the lack of access. And they're saying well that's too much for us to take on like we don't want to have to look at another broken thing that we have to fix even if we broke it on. That really breaks my heart. I think that you know they don't realize that you know this mutual aid that we're engaging in. I don't think that they understand. That is an indigenous practice. It is a global majority to offer community support without demand for reciprocity. I think also folks don't realize that mutual aid existing in a time of colonialism and continued genocide really looks like Brown and black folks coming together and saying. Hey we still don't want it. We haven't wanted to for the last five hundred years. And how can I support you in your community and how later on me hume support ours so that we show each other that you know we have. This continued legacy of support that we are building bridges between our communities. No matter how much they try to silo US and a lot of us are rejecting the notion that we are people were killing and that we are people not worth listening to or that our lives do not matter as those of the one percent in this community. The folks with access. I think one of the biggest things with the work that Fiona has done support exceeding sovereignty is to show folks that you can have a limited platform. You can have a huge platform but regardless you can take the time to support people in need just because you want to and because you realize there's a lack of lack of access you have that point that can beat the connection. Well I wanted to go back to Fiona apple to this whole theme of acknowledgment. And can you expand on it to talk about how themes of acknowledgment are expressed throughout your new album? Fetch the bolt cutters. Well it's just it's it's it's a completely different subject because it's just one woman's life but But it's the same thing as as with anything that it's acknowledgment is the first step in a series of a lot of steps towards healing anything any personal global have to acknowledge it is the daily said verstappen. Admitting you've got a problem and for me I yes. That is just the first step in so easy to do. It's so easy to acknowledge it to announce things. And but we forget or or inaction thought or where we have guilt. Shame so we just don't want to think about or talk about it or in my case we feel stupid. We feel uneducated. We feel ignorant and and so. That's something else that that's that's the first thing that I need to acknowledge it before I can actually be any kind of friends or A. You know to help in any kind of way to to to make a connection Oregon do that. I have to admit that I'm ignorant. I'm an ignorant white verson. I lived a hole light privilege and I have no idea what it's like to not be me and so when I all I can really the best thing I can do right now is to say. I've got time and I've got space nine. Got Money and please just talk to me. Let me know late. Just fill space you know on but you also make so clear and all of your are in your music your experiences and what you've learned from them if you could talk about your song relay which begins with the line. Evil is realize sport when the one you burn turns to pass the torch your that years ago. Didn't you? Yeah I wrote. I wrote it when I was about fifteen. Actually I talk about what it meant to you then while I had been assaulted When I was about twelve thirteen and Immediately a questions of guilt innocence and retaliation and acceptance in peace more. All these things came. It was all living with envy all of a sudden because I had this. I didn't I didn't know how to wrap my around somebody wanting to hurt me or anybody like that. I didn't know I don't understand it. So the first thing I was thinking. We're so something must have been done to him and so that was just my thought about him that somebody had burned him and he saw somebody me who looked vulnerable enough to burn and he thought that we take the burden off of him but it doesn't just pass it on and he and he keeps it and I got it too. So that was my that was my thought then and that was a big subject and then you know. I spent a couple of years it aware of Internet culture and my whole thoughts about that thing became very small and very personal very kind of petty. But it's all the same thing it's just people feeling bad about something or feeling embarrassed. You're feeling weak. And just trying to take that out on someone else feeling like somebody else made you feel weak or somebody else to use your sit down someone else and it happens all the time and it doesn't help anybody. Let's go to Fiona Apple's for her I can you no no but you don't know what you did apples for her from her latest album. Fetch Bolt cutters. You told vulture. You wrote it in part about the Brett Cavanaugh Supreme Court hearings after watching hearings all the things that you win. An enviable victims of sexual assault sexual abuse will all understand this and signed the end and some men that are just never going to understand this vote but via trump's cabinet all these all these guys they they bring up the bringing it all back and so sitting there and watching that man and knowing that he was going to be on. The Supreme Court is just It just hurts we down to the marrow and on and on that subject it makes me feel like know seeing that guy's anger and his is his entitlement to to make decisions on behalf of Americans basically knowing that he had violated somebody Believing that he had violated. Somebody does make me think about the other issue that we're talking about here today. People who are in power who are basically. We descended on people who assaulted a Q. On families I don't I can't imagine what it's like to be an indigenous person right now and to watch everybody else living and going about everything. You're talking about the problems going on and just ignoring you. Just just not even looking at you. You're writing this now in the midst of the metoo movement. Are you hoping that this will make women feel more powerful and responding and enjoining together with other women which is really a theme in a lot of your songs right now? For example ladies. The power of your relationship with women Fiona Yes I am hoping that that will Aid Not power than just stepping away from meekness in segue especially. It's a song that hopefully will give Catharsis it expressions people who who may not be able to actually voice what's happened to them and it does happen a lot and especially when people are not even sure what happens in Israel but they feel against the big deal it. They can't say that I feel meeting this song. They can sit on that one line and and feel it and believe it and no no the truth no matter what he says and I liked is done so many versions of that song Just seeing by myself and literally just shaking going to press record. I've done so many version sing by myself. And then one day. I sang that line. I say Gins me and I finally felt the anger that I never felt for the man who assaulted me when I was a child. I sang that the saying that. Line over and over again until I really felt it and when I felt it I finally felt anger and it was a an amazing thing and I hope that you need to your anger passed it and I'm hoping that will do the same for other women. I also felt like I needed other voices with me. I felt like I was by myself so I just decided I'm the only one here so I'll just create a village of Friends of women to support me too long and I didn't work. That's Fiona Apple. Her critically acclaimed new album. Fetch the bolt cutters when we come back in. This broadcast exclusive Fiona talks about the power of music and therein wise talks about murdered and missing indigenous and girls stay with US parallel and the big man. The all in keeps turning out more good women. You nation's on the lunar fed lapel relax few and the thick foam and foul in the keeps turn out all mole or good I although Hormone Ladies Ladies Ladies Ladies Ticketing. Easy you please. My guess is getting over in back of his bathroom cabin. Oh Yes oh yes. Oh yes. There's address in the car. I don't get rid of it you look. I didn't. It was never mind that belonged to the ex wife of another exit mine. She left behind with the note. One Line I don't know of religion. Ladies by Fiona Apple this is democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine reported. I made me Goodman as we continue. Our discussion with singer. Songwriter Fiona Apple and Erin wise of the indigenous group ceding sovereignty. They joined us. Just after the release of Fiona Apple's new album fetch the bolt cutters. So let's talk about cosmonauts. I mean this is a song that seems to have anticipated to say the least the current moment about two people her going to live together forever. You said you imagine them tiny vessel in space talk about the writing of cosmonauts. Dow had asked me to do a song for the movie. This forty and he wanted to be a song about realizing the urges. You love this person and you won't be together forever and I just could not really that I've been in love and I wanted to be wanting to have people in my life forever but I've never wanted to be in a marriage of somebody forever and so I couldn't really wrap my head around it but I tried and so I just thought of it as though for stuck together. It's like being stacked together being together staying together forever. It's just a matter of never leaving for right or wrong. So if you're just somebody and Agean how I just couldn't imagine how that would be me because the first fine says it all for being a relationship certain points you know you just look at something I'm done. I'm angry now. I look face and I'm stunned. So how could you possibly spendable lifetime somebody? So that was my thought. Then and so. That's why I heard something like that. Your First Line. Your face ignites a few is to my patients. Let's buy a little of cosmonauts legacy is you and me US oppose. The whiffs of Meghalaya will be like a couple of COSMO and accept was gravitated. We start law that's cosmonauts. That's from Fiona. Apple's phenomenal new album. Just out after many years fetched the Bolt Cutters and as we begin to wrap up. I wanted to ask you about the power of music in society. Especially today you're known. For writing so ingeniously creatively about love and loss to say the least in this time of the pandemic people are dealing with enormous loss. What was it like to be writing your music now and also why you pushed for it to be released. Now as millions of people are being told to shelter at home if they're lucky enough to have homes. There's a lot in there but if you could just talk about it all yes well My friend Kayla insists. She's a musician machine wrote to me. She texted me one day a few weeks ago saying see got it regardless directly. I newly records I gotTA release. He got released. People really need music now. She's wearing clutch with way. What's going on than I am and I was like That does make sense. And but I thought it's okay. I mean several come out soon anyway I just wasn't really thinking about it that much and then I got a rollout schedule proposing all the different things that go on from now on to release the record which would end up being in October ad but my first song coming out in June the June. And that just just set me off on a on a on a two day text tirade making my case for putting out the album now which is basically. I don't take a lot more than just pushing a button but push a button albums done and go out digitally and people can enjoy it and if we wait it was lodging because if we waited I would have been lost in the mix I wanted to be able to be heard. I don't really like to open my mouth in Roman. Speak unless I feel like you gotta listen. If I don't think you're gonNA listen to walk away so so I wanted to put it out when I thought that it would have the best chance because I put a lot of work into it and I and I hoped that it might be. I need that would help people who are fans line because they're just waiting around for so many years so it's like. Oh Yeah I'm good at something to do for replace. You know but I heard that it's actually making people feel free and happy ended and might be helping people feel alive or feel their anger feel creative. And that's the best thing I could then I can hope for that and also trying to tie in with that. I believe in and you know I just wanted to say something off the topic of my regular just because I I i. I'm I'm so uneducated. I did some studying and I just have to say that I just wish that their indigenous teaching in schools teaching American history. Because I did not realize I was never taught that That for instance Thomas Jefferson said that Thomas Jefferson said wrote this disposition to exchange lands which they have spare we want. We should push our trading uses in the glad to see the good influential individuals among them run in debt. We observed that when these debts get beyond with individuals can pay. They will become willing to lock them off Possession of lands it so boldly evil. It's so we went really glad to see the good good individuals of them fall into debt. It was planned that it was it was like it's like trailed. Here's a hundred years in the making wrote that you wrote about removing all indigenous folks. Fifteen years before he became president. I don't know anything about American history. I didn't pay attention in class. And Alan Hi glad I didn't because I don't think we're being taught everything this guy. He's the architect of so many of the ways that we think in America and yet that's what he was thinking that guy that guy was and You know so many of our heroes are actually like that Alfred bomb. I mean I didn't know that he was offered basically for genocide Genocide favor. I'll inside us like with women's suffrage. He was a good guy but no. So it's hard to look at how we put these men in positions of power and how they shape our whole American history and not be aware until. I'm forty two that they were preaching side. I mean well. Let's give the last word to Aaron wise as talks about the information. She didn't learn going to school. What it means to re frame American history from a native perspective. Gosh that's the big question and I don't think that I could do it. Any justice as a single person and I don't speak on behalf of my tribe or anybody but myself but I would say that you know the the moment that we're in right now is a time of learning. I think a lot of folks are feeling like they have to be producing. They have to be creating and Fiona has done that beautifully but for folks at home you can be doing the same thing that fee is you can be teaching yourself online. You can be reading. You can be reaching out to indigenous educators. You can be creating systems in which you planned to go back into his teachers and teach folks you know about indigenous histories. You can also make plans to bet for indigenous educators in your community to be teaching in your schools. I think that's entirely important and I think one of the things I wanted to bring attention to. Is That unwittingly touches. So many different subjects that are impacting indigenous communities today in her album when she addresses rape and she addresses sexual assault. She's also addressing violence against indigenous women. The murdered missing indigenous women here who are overlooked. We are also looking at the violence against women and girls in general not just indigenous communities but the fact that there. Are you know one? In three women will be rate in our lifetime here in the so called United States. I think that that is a legacy that needs to be looked at. I also think the fact that Fiona in heavy balloon she touches on all of these plants growing in you know spirit coming back to yourself and I told her that when she was talking that reminded me of the three sisters planting. And how we need to be in kinship. We NEED TO BE SISTERHOOD. With one of one another to continue to build the communities that we WANNA see. I also think that you know ladies to me when I was listening to it. I was listening to it with a bunch of queer gay men on the phone and all of them felt like that song for them too so I also want to honor the indigenous. Lgbtq class to spirit folks that trance folks that exist in our communities and everybody. That Fiona is calling into being with this album and also with her work. I think it's incredibly imperative to harness and access that dignified rage to to hold it in your hand and be able to acknowledge the these are all the things that hurt me. But I'm going to put them down and I'm going to figure out how to transform that pain into something that can heal people that have been hurt and I really do feel like in this moment. Indigenous communities have been looking for that healing end to even have somebody with a platform. The ONA be able to say I'm sorry. I never knew until now that that is a healing for me. Because I've been listening to Fiona for twenty years. I never thought that we would be friends. I never thought that she would be invested in the work and yet here. She is using her power using her medicine to transform and set a precedent for an entire generation of people. I think that that's powerful analysis. Think that the work that ceding sovereignty is doing also setting a precedent encouraging folks to be more engaged with the climate justice movement to be more engaged with violence against women because that begets violence against the land and to also look at into genetic histories in the so called the United States and realized that almost everybody that people see as heroes. We're actually genocidal. Maniac wanted to ensure that this country was rid of any Indians or any people of color that were in service to them. Indigenous Activists Erin wise with ceding sovereignty and singer Songwriter. Fee Own Apple. They joined us just after. The release of field is new album. Fetch the bolt cutters. We end today show where we began it with the title track Of Thinking about one dollars Charlie offramp. I thought it was but it was. It wasn't genuine ours just so furious but I couldn't show him knowing what you can do in our own war with you. I WANNA forty. You guys saw even when you win you when you on all but you've killed. Manson you've got them all Kansas VIP's and PRT's wannabes. Afraid not being your friend and I've always been too smart for that but you know what my heart was not like a kid. You see the cool kids. Vote only Shane wooded dipped to me. What I let my phone stole my fun. Still Bolt cutters too long. How to fetch the both cutters by Fiona foul bunt? And that does it for our show. If you'd like to sign up for our daily Digest our quarantine report you can text the word democracy now. One word to six six eight six six. That's democracy now. One word to six eight six six. You can also sign up on our website at democracy now dot org where all of our video and audio podcasts. Our and our transcripts of every show democracy now is working. This few people onsite as possible. The majority of our team is working from home. Democracy now is produced with Rene felts might Berkeley Augusta Libby. Rainy near Main Chez Carla Wills. 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Will Progressive Populism Save The Democratic Party?

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Will Progressive Populism Save The Democratic Party?

"What is going to work for the Democratic Party work in the sense of getting more voters to choose the color blue and then stay there beyond the two thousand eighteen midterms all the way into twenty twenty. Well, some say that the Democrats need to swing more to the left to the kinds of ideas and promises that under the rubric of progressive populism set the party up standing for game changing policies like Medicare for all, or tuition free public education or guaranteed federal jobs program. But hold on others, say including a lot of Democrats, those promises that cannot possibly or reasonably be kept. And they may sound so radical to so many that they will push more voters away than they will pull in better. They say to let Dem's stay close to the center and let the Republicans look like the outliers who is right. Well, let's find out because we think this has the makings of a debate, yes or no to this statement, progressive populism will save the democratic. Thirty. I'm John donvan stand between two teams of two thinkers on this topic who will argue for and against that resolution. As always our debate will go in three rounds and then our live audience here at the Cape playhouse at hunter college in New York City will vote to choose the winner. And if all goes, well, civil discourse will also win. Our resolution is progressive populism. We'll save the Democratic Party. We have one team arguing for that resolution. Let's meet them starting with welcome. Corinne jump hair. Corinne welcome to intelligence squared. US you are senior advisor and national spokesperson for move on dot org. You're also a lecturer at Columbia's school of international and public affairs before that you're in the White House under President Obama. You worked on both of his presidential campaigns. You are campaign manager for the ACLU's initiative on reproductive freedom. And most recently, the deputy campaign manager for Martineau Molly for president. That is a lot of political experience. You have credited your career and your success to your parents, AB lie. Why is that. My parents are from Haiti, they are immigrants. They came here decades ago at the time. Haiti was a dictatorship and they wanted the American dream. They had heard about the American dream. And so they ended up here in New York City grew up in New York, and they've worked so hard and their heart and determination their love for this country and the country where they were born really gave me the fuel to do everything that I've done. And because of them, I still continue the work that I do through move on here. Your partner is Jeff Weaver, Jeff, welcome to intelligence squared. You are longtime adviser to Senator Bernie Sanders. When he ran for president in two thousand sixteen you were his campaign manager. You also manage Senate election campaign in two thousand and six. You are the author of new book called how Bernie one inside the revolution that's taking back our country and where we go from here, came out in may Jeff, Bernie didn't win. So what do you mean when you say he won? Well, did win. If you look Medicare for all. Now supported by eighty percent of Democrats and fifty two percent of Republicans. The minimum wage is being raised, fifteen dollars all over this country. People are talking about free college, free tuition of public colleges and universities, and we're having a debate like this tonight and this is a testament to how Bernie one. Thank you very much, Jeff Weaver. Again, resolution is progressive. Populism will save the Democratic Party. We have two debaters arguing against it, please welcome. Jonathan Cowan. John, you have over twenty five years of experience at senior levels of politics and government, your democratic press secretary in congress. You were chief of staff at the department of housing and urban development during the Clinton administration you're here tonight. Moe, specifically though, because you're the co, founder and president of a moderate democratic think tank called third way. Tell the moderator, what moderate means to. Moderate democrat to me, means a commitment to bold modern ideas and a willingness and a conviction to think outside the blue bubble. Thank you. John count. And you also have a partner in this debate. Steven Rattner relate intimate, please welcome. Steven Rattner. Welcome back to intelligence squared. You've debated with us before. It's wonderful to have you back. You are chairman and CEO of Willett advisors and economic analyst for MSNBC. You also have a lot of experience in politics. You were counselor to the secretary of the treasury President Obama's cars. Are you defended the motion. Last time you were with us Obama's economic policies are working effectively. That was back in two thousand and nine, nine years ago. So under President Trump are we still feeling the effects of Obama's policies. So interesting to think back to two thousand and nine and the idea that that was actually a debatable subject because I think the last nine years would eliminate any debate as to whether his policies were affective, and if you need any proof of that, Donald Trump is trying to take credit for it pretty much every day. All right, ladies and gentlemen, Steven Rattner, and the team arguing against the motion. Let's move onto debate. Debate begins with around one. Those are opening statements by each debater in turn speaking. I four, the motion progressive populism. We'll say the Democratic Party here is Jeff Weaver senior political adviser to Senator Bernie Sanders. Ladies and gentlemen, Jeff Weaver. Every day. We are reminded that in many ways, our country is on the edge of a knife and we can slide either way. I think all of us recognize the great harm that Trump is doing this country that type of hateful rhetoric he's injecting into our country, and the way he is changing the mindset of so many people in this country toward a more divisive mentality. We are confronting something at our allies confronted in western Europe in the nineteen thirties in Europe, and they failed in their attempts to strike down nationalism and then a phobia and racism and we cannot afford to fail. What does that mean? That means we have got to galvanize the American people, the grassroots, the American people. We've got to unify the American people and create a country that has Bernie says that government and economy that works for everyone. I think you will see that not only is the sort of neo-liberal corporate is view incapable of confronting and defeating Trump. But in many ways is responsible for its rise in this country are great party that modern Democratic Party was born in the crucible of the new. Deal FDR came into power at a time of great economic calamity as all of, you know, it was a worldwide depression and against great opposition from Republicans from business interests. And frankly, for many inside the Democratic Party put together a coalition created social security created worker's rights created dominance by democratic politics in this country for decades. This grand new deal coalition and our job is to rebuild that grand coalition. This cannot be a party of only upper middle income people of only well-to-do suburbanites. This has got to be a party that represents also working class people and marginalized communities and what those people understand that we have big problems in this country, and we need bold solutions and the solutions that are being offered by people in this progressive populist camp or not unrealistic or undoable. If we have the political will live on the richest country in the history of the world. All of our western democratic allies have universal healthcare. We do not. We used to have free tuition public. Colleges and universities in this country, and we have lost the value of the minimum wage has degraded over time. A working people need to have a decent standard of living. So we have got to energize, excite people, and what has happened is after this period of dominance, we had the Reagan revolution on a group of folks came along and said, the problem with the Democratic Party is we're not really enough in the pocket of Wall Street and financial interests. And if we do that, we can really win and they did win in nineteen Ninety-two Bill Clinton won with forty. Three percent of the vote is three races. People may remember then go down a path of neoliberal economics. We had NAFTA we had most favored nation status with China, and we destroyed the relationship between the Democratic Party and its historic working class base in this country. In nineteen ninety four. We lost the house of representatives of the first time since nineteen fifty to seeing that kind of loss and the disconnection between working class people in the party. They turn to a very ugly set of policies. Dome to attack the LGBT community welfare reform, which was a pared down version of Reagan's welfare. Queen the crime Bill created mass incarceration in this country. We forget that Bill Clinton and Joe Biden are the fathers of mass incarceration in America. And since then we have been trying to find our way in two thousand sixteen the grassroots of this party said no more. We wanna stand up. We want to reclaim our new deal heritage. We want to be the dominant party in this country again for decades to come. We want to bring people together and not divide them up. We have got to serve the interests of working people marginalized communities and not the rich and the powerful. Thank you. Just leave her the resolution. Again, progressive populism will save the Democratic Party in here to make his opening statement against the motion. Please welcome. Jonathan Cowan co, founder and president of third way, legitimate John Kelly. All excited about the new generation of candidates hailing from all ideological wings, young people, women and people of color are adding dynamism and diversity to the Democratic Party. The evidence is overwhelming. That populist ideas will not help Democrats. They might look good on a bumper sticker. But when voters here about the details, support crumbles, take their centerpiece idea, Medicare for all in twenty sixteen the purple state of Colorado had a Medicare for all style initiative on the ballot. It was decimated seventy nine percent voted. No, it lost in liberal boulder. Now admit during these midterm general elections, there have been lots of Medicare for all ads on the air. They're not being aired by Democrats, they're being aired by Republicans as a tax ads. GOP knows that if they can label every democrat is a backer of Medicare for all, as well as. Other far left ideas like abolishing ice, they can retain the house. Their signature ideas are politically potent for Republicans and democratic voters agree, twenty, three million people just voted in the democratic primaries. They were our most energized and committed voters turning out in historic numbers, and most of them voted for the more mainstream democrat and against the democratic socialist. Yes. There were notable exceptions, Alexandra Aqazadeh, Cortez, and Rashid it to leave one by running, inspired races in cobalt, blue districts, but mainstream Democrats won almost everywhere else. And if candidates carrying these ideas can't win primaries, that agenda clearly has no chance of delivering victories in a general election, democratic primary voters in Virginia had to choose between Ralph Northam and Tom Perreault a talented former congressman proudly embraced a populist agenda and. Even feature Bernie in his ads, north them ran as a proud, moderate north, and crushed him by twelve points and went on to easily win the general election that for junior win by a moderate kicked off the primary season. Andrew Cuomo's resounding victory over Cynthia Nixon marked the last with a handful of exceptions primaries in the forty eight states in between delivered similar results. So remember you're not saying the democratic socialist ideas and the candidates carrying them can win in queens. You're saying that these populist ideas can win and save the Democratic Party everywhere twenty three million democratic primary voters just wait in most of them vote? No, I hope you'll do the same. Jonathan Kelly co, founder and president of third way, arguing against the resolution progressive populism will save the Democratic Party. We'll have more opening statements when we come back. I'm John. Then this is intelligence squared. US. We are halfway through the opening round of this intelligence squared. US debate. I'm John Don van. We have four debaters teams of two arguing it out over this motion, progressive populism will save the Democratic Party debating for the resolution here is on peer senior advisor and national spokesperson for move on dot org. Corinne jump ear. Populism is defined as support for the concerns of ordinary people. Populism is not about right versus left, but it's about top versus bottom. How do we fight against a society that benefits the privilege the elites? Now there are many forms of populism. Donald Trump has his form of populism rhetoric, but his populism is right wing white nationalist populism. He chooses to divide using race, religion, immigration status, and gender. Progressive populism unifies and brings us all together. The late Senator. Paul Wellstone used to say, we all do better when we all do better. We also have to talk about the power of systems that are created to benefit the privilege and the elites. And I'm talking about white supremacy. I'm talking about patriarchy Islamaphobia, what progressive populism does it fights against that? It says. Oh to that. Now, how do we move forward? My parents were immigrants. My dad was in New York City. Cabdriver my mom, a home health care aide. The issues that matter to them also mattered to their white working class counterparts. Progressive populism has solutions are solutions are actually incredibly popular. For example, Medicare for all lake research. Did a survey back in April and asked voters in battleground, congressional districts how they felt about Medicare for all fifty, four percent strongly support, Medicare for all. But I think the most interesting thing about that survey was that democrat who are infrequent voters. It was more popular with them, and we also believe in the auto bailout, which was incredibly successful. Thank you. See rattener, and it was a great example of how government when they step into activism can really help the markets, but now wanna talk about candidates the first. One is better work. He's running in Texas. Donald Trump won Texas by nine points. Vader ROY is authentic. He's fighting for the people. He's progressive. He's not taking pack. Money's not taking corporation money, and he's doing really well in that race. Windy Davis lost the governor's race a couple years ago by twenty point said that she would run a more progressive campaign if she were to do it again, Andrew gillum incredibly progressive making history, and he came out in the general election has been leading an all of the polls in Florida. Trump won that by one or two points all the past democratic candidates who were who were in the middle have never done as well as he's doing right now. Look, it's not going to be up to us who are on stage that's going to decide what the Democratic Party is going to do. It's going to be up to activists and voters out across the country, and they're making it loud and clear. They want the Democratic Party to challenge status quo and to fight for the ninety. Nine percent not the one percent. Thank you Commissioner Pierre resolution, progressive populism. We'll save the Democratic Party and here to make his statement against the motion. Please welcome. Steven Rattner chairman and CEO of will let advisors and former counselor to the secretary of the treasury. Steven Rattner. I'm a democrat and I consider myself a progressive and I consider myself as a fighter for the ninety, nine percent as I think it should be defined. I believe that our tax system excessively favors the rich, I believe that income inequality in our country is reprehensible levels and must be addressed. I believe that the federal government should lean in and try to solve the pressing problems of those who've been left behind. But I don't believe that endorsing policy ideas that are either unaffordable would somehow be good politics for the Democratic Party. There has not been a single democratic president elected in our history, espousing the kinds of policies that the proponents of this motion advocate not after yard, ran in nineteen thirty two on a platform of balancing the budget, not John f. Kennedy who, by the way, cut taxes for the rich, certainly not Bill Clinton and not even Barack Obama who Senator Sanders attacked as weak for not pushing more aggressive policies. Then there other losers, George McGovern who carry just one state and the district of Columbia nineteen, seventy two in nineteen. Eighty four. Walter Mondale suffered exactly the same fate. All of us up here agree that the election of Donald Trump was one of the saddest days of our lifetime. With an approval rating hovering around forty, three percent. There's no way he should be reelected. But if we wanna make the unimaginable imaginable just nominate someone out of touch with the mainstream of this country. Remember that only thirty, three percent of Americans are even Democrats at all the share of independence at thirty seven percent is the highest in twenty seven years. You've heard the suggestion that Bernie Sanders could have beaten Donald Trump. We'll never know. But we do know a few things. The fact that democratic voters are increasingly concentrated geographically, particularly and big blue states like New York and California. So to win, we must reach out to more moderate voters in Pennsylvania in Michigan. And it was constant three states that we never should have lost. You've heard, turn out blame for secretary Clinton's loss, but at sixty point, one percent turnout was higher in two thousand and sixteen than it was for Barack Obama's reelection in two thousand and twelve. Now, let's turn to policy guarantee a fifteen dollar. An hour income to all that would cost on the order of six hundred eighty billion dollars annually expense social security. That sounds pretty good until Americans understand that the trust fund is on track to go broke in twenty thirty four and jeopardize the benefits that we've already promised. Make public colleges wishing free as Jeff suggested it's great goal for the underprivileged. But if any of my kids were to go to a public institution, I have no idea why they should get a free ride break up the big banks that sounds appealing, although apparently not Mr.. Sanders, Senate colleagues, none of whom have signed on as co sponsors of his Bill. Abolish ice only thirty, two percent of voters want that fifty. Three percent understand that immigration customs service allbeit with reforms is something that we need to have. I share the goals of the populace, but we should address the critical issues facing our nation by putting forward responsible prudent policies that will attract the coalition of voters that we need to keep Donald Trump from another four years of destroying America. Thank you. Thank you. Steven, Rattner. And that concludes round one of this intelligence squared. US debate. Now we move onto round two and round to the debaters address one another directly, and they take questions from me and from you, our live audience here in New York City. What we seem to be hearing about is a dispute over how many voters will respond to the set of policies that are identified with progressive populism the team arguing for the resolution green zone Pierre. And Jeff Weaver, they describe in this country, a sense of emergency in the light of things like xenophobia and ultra nationalism and racism attention between top and bottom. And in that framework, they say, these are solutions that appeal to the bottom ideas like Medicaid for all free public college tuition, abolishing ice housing as a human, right? The team arguing against the resolution, Jonathan Cowan, and Steven Rattner. They identified themselves as progressives, but they say the problem is political reality. These ideas will scare the public. They look great on a bumper sticker, but in reality. Voters will not go for that. They cite instance, after instance, where given the opportunity to either vote for these things they voted against or when put in place, they ultimately failed. And I want to take a question to Jeff Weaver from something that your opponents said in that Democrats need to have moderates come into the tent, and it almost sounded as though that they were saying that you and Corinne are arguing for appealing to the democratic base and that the moderates you just can't get them. I want to see if I understand that correctly. That is not what we're saying. We had a hard fought democratic primary between secretary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, and the evidence is pretty clear. I've seen exist polls in zillion states. Bernie Sanders was winning rural Democrats, conservative Democrats, moderate Democrats, secretary Clinton was doing much better with suburban Democrats who on paper look liberal because they are pro choice support that ended a little warming and so on and so forth. So the modeling that was done clearly showed that Bernie was winning the very voters that you're talking about in red places. There were coming out overwhelmingly Bernie Sanders, which is what you want. Oklahoma, you wanna Ganzi want to Nebraska when Utah you want an Idaho and on and on it goes. And in fact, it is these voters that I'm arguing we need to bring back into the working class voters in red states. This question about geographic concentration of democratic support is a very, very serious problem that we have intellectual college system. We need to broaden our support geographically, and the way you do that is by being unapologetically on the side of working people in these states, we all forget the mid west of this country used to be the center of progressive politics in this country. The plain states, we have lost touch with those people because the truth of the matter is that there are many people in that wing of the party really don't like those people very much. Okay. Just let me break into points respond to some of what you said because he said a lot John Cowan. Jefferson that those voters in the red states that you say would be driven away by these ideas would not be driven away? Well, let me just, I just the last you made and maybe I misunderstood it. But if you're saying that I do not like a bunch of working class voters that's beyond offensive and ridiculous. Okay. Twenty five years of my life to democratic policy and policy-making. The debate is not whether we feel or you feel more passionately about helping the struggling and working middle class of this country question, is this not whether people like your ideas, it's weather, those ideas will win elections and they don't win elections. Wrote. Not a different debate. Another night is the policy merits of them. Question is Democrats run on your ideas. Will they win? We just had not a poll. We just had an actual election of twenty three million democratic primary voters and whoever you feel about Sanders in his ideas, whatever you feel about them, the result is unequivocal democratic. Primary voters shows candidates were not the passionate supporters care idea. Let me bring in Korean there. There are currently in this election cycle. We do have some history makers running on progressive issues. They're running on issues that are actually popular. I mention Andrew gillum. That's amazing because his Florida that we're talking about. And and he beat out was at four or five centrist millionaires Democrats unless forgets the Abrahams, who could potentially make history. Who has a history of working across the aisle, which is great, but she's literally wrestling an advocate now, labeling herself, a pragmatic leader, just saying that you have candidates in red states, not blue states who are doing incredibly well making these racist competitive, and they're running on progressive issues. So Steve honored Korean used the word. There are some history makers. Some I agree there are some history makers. Unfortunately, they are a small number of history makers against a much larger group of examples case, after case, after case during this primary season in which Democratic Party before we even get to the rest of the electric. But the registered Democrats chose the moderates with respect to two thousand and sixteen Senator. Sanders has an appeal that was not enough to get him to win. He lost the primaries to Hillary Clinton by four million votes. If I remember correctly, not that there aren't examples that support your thesis, but they are a small number of example, magenta candidate could not be Trump and another candidate like that. Can that it won't be. Twenty. First of all, you have no way of knowing that nobody didn't win your beat. Our candidates was. He was at questions. What's the future for the party? If the party continues to go with you guys, they will continue to and I used to go with us guys. The last two Democrats to win the White House back to back or us guys. Your guy said REI. Obama was not progressive, and I know what he thinks Bill Clinton. So our dyes are the last two Democrats win the White House. That the object, the last two, I mean, give me an example of one democrat who's won the White House going down your road, nobody. So I have to push back on Steve Rattner. Move on has endorsed more than two hundred candidates across the country who are progressive candidates who are diverse, who are in states like Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, and they're running on a progressive message. Let me take to John Callen would I think I heard commune just saying is that these ideas that they will bring people out of the voting woodwork who have chosen to sit it out before this need to reconnect with the working person that they're disengaged and that there was a coalition. There could be a coalition that could be excited into voting for these ideas. Of course, it's all speculative, but that's this is actually the point is it's just speculative. Let's go to political reality. So give you two examples of political reality around this Medicare for all. So if the thesis is Medicare for all will energize all kinds of voters in win elections. Let's look. At the general election advertising, not one democrat in the eighty. Four competitive races is running an ad that says Medicare for all. So unless we think that all eighty, four of those Democrats are idiot and have no idea how to win the racist. It means they took a hard look at and they said, you know what these ideas aren't going to win me elections. That's going to win this fall. I wanna let your opponents responsive pulling. It informs the d. triple C's messaging on this and let's let's be clear. I mean, d triple very hesitant about Medicare for listeners who don't know what the democratic congressional campaign committee and the Democratic Party which supports house candidates house up straight. Can you know? I just heard vice is wrong, and it's born out eighty percent of Democrats and poll support Medicare for all fifty, two percent of Republicans. How can you that that is a losing issue and Gillam just wanna primary in Florida gets a bunch of millionaires Medicare for all your citing a poll citing an actual ballot initiative in Colorado for a Medicare for all system. It lost. Seventy nine to twenty one hit lost in Boulder, Colorado, Andrew is polls that questions can be asking. And by the way, Kaiser foundation, the gold standard on healthcare research and polling in the United States. Yes, majority of people support it in the moment. You start telling them anything about to support completely collapses. So instead of theory, Bernie would've won, but beaten Trump, Medicare would work. If you do this. Let's look at the reality. They're not winning one of the thing on the midterms because this is really important. We can't redefine who is in the general election candidates of the eighty four competitive races, three quarters of those folks have been endorsed either by the New Democrats in the house or the blue dogs. The conservative Democrats in the house just four percent of been endorsed by Justice. Democrats are revolution, look at who's actually running the people who won. These races are moderate mainstream democrat, and they're the people who God willing are going to put a check on Trump and hand us back, put something else into the conversation. I want to be very careful about how I phrased this because I'm not during comparison between the content of what candidate Trump put out there to the public with ideas. The progressive side is putting out there to the degree that voted for him along with those ideas that he went out and played the populist game and made big promises. Two years ago, political reality was he could never get elected, and yet he pulled it off. So what does that example show fear opponents argument that big, sweeping, dangerous sounding ideas could actually have this impact on the electorate and pull off the unpredictable. Even though democratic president ever ran on those ideas before Steve Rattner. First of all, I don't know that Trump had very many big ideas. He had a slogan make America great again, and it was actually quite brilliant. Even though he stole it from Ronald Reagan, nobody pushed buttons. He pushed all kinds of funds that are look. The fact was and is there are still huge numbers of Americans who've been left behind. When you look at median wages adjusted for inflation, when you particularly separate them out and look at what's happened to people toward the bottom, even during the Obama recovery heart a. President Obama tried to make it better for everybody. You had a large group of Americans who felt angry, who felt left out by the Democratic Party because it was worrying about a lot of other interest groups, or at least they perceive that to be the case, and they decided to vote for Donald Trump. It is almost without precedent. I think there may be two or three examples in two hundred and some odd years. Someone of the same party as an eight year president succeeding because people like change. They want change after eight years Clinton had three million more votes than Donald Trump anyway, but they were not exactly the right places by seventy thousand folks. And so you had a kind of perfect storm of events that caused him to be elected. Let me just say one thing about Medicare for all half of Americans get their health care from their employer. You say to them, you're going to lose your healthcare from your employer, and you're going to become part of government healthcare, you think they're going to support that. Well, apparently, Elizabeth Warren things, they do Cory Booker things that they will. These are people were going to be running for president of the United States, Bernie Sanders, things they will every Senator. Her US Senator who's thinking about running for president, supports Medicare for everyone. And I would say that if one of those people gets nominated on that platform, we will lose. We'll have four more years of Donald Trump and we will be deeply deeply regretful about that. We only lose if the people back your ideas and funder ideas fold up their cards, go home like the McGovern of other times. If your wing of the party stands with the progressive nominee, forget, forget my wing of the party thirty. Three percent of the country are Democrats. How do you win an election? Even if you get every single one of them, how do you win an election without repack millennials are independence. This old notion that Democrats moderate independence and Republicans on the right is that old outdated notion that has no reflection, American politics. But young people who are independents who are over here, those people don't vote against go away. Jeff Weaver an adviser to Senator Bernie Sanders, arguing that progressive populism will save the Democratic Party. The stakes are high. For the Democrats. The debate continues with questions from the audience. This is intelligence squared US. I'm John. This is intelligence squared. US we have two teams debating this resolution will progressive populism, save the Democratic Party. Now it's time for questions from the audience. Point of fact, here it is true that twenty sixteen twenty twelve. The voter turnout was around the same. However, in twenty sixteen it was significantly down among people of color and among working people. Hillary Clinton was a centrist and was from the Wall Street wing of the party and her numbers suffered. And what you're really saying is, had there been a populist, maybe Bernie Sanders instead of Hillary Clinton? Would we be with the President Trump today? I think that's your quest. Yes, I'll take it. What we saw in two thousand sixteen with Hillary Clinton and people of color is that they were not inspired to vote for her. The issues weren't there. They weren't talking to them. Another thing that was happening around that time in two thousand fifteen was the black lives matter movement, right? The crime Bill came up, and so there was a lot of feeling particular young black voters who didn't feel that the campaign was talking to them who didn't feel that there was a place for them because of what was happening in twenty fifteen with young black bodies being killed on the streets. We take your point to to join. I think you have to disentangle problems with Hillary as a candidate. From the question tonight, if a candidate in the future carries these ideas will that candidate win, whatever you think of the merits of these ideas. They're not politically popular in enough places Jeff cited. The senators who might run for president who support Medicare for all. That's true. They're all from safe blue places. Our job as a party is not to figure out how to make blue places, bluer, it's how to make red places blue and purple places blue. That's our job. Progressive, not gotten a fair shot in this party in terms of funding other things. But we do know is that your point of view has destroyed the party, your free trade deal, destroyed the relationship with working class. Democrats your call for cutting social security. It's going to kill this party. You guys represent a certain of interest I get. It's cool like this is a big tent party, but you cannot be the dominant voice in this party because you have no credibility with working people. When you go out and talk to real people in the real world, we have no credibility with working people. So just to be clear because you and Bernie said many times you said Barack Obama wasn't progressive. So why do we supported by working class people? Barack Obama built an amazing coalition. In fact, I think our challenges to rebuild the Obama coalition, the centrist Obama coalition just to be clear because that's actually what we have to do. I would have had some you make a point that I want to add something for Akot Bama didn't support any of your policies virtually. He didn't support Medicare for all. He didn't support free college tuition. In years ago, we're talking about two thousand things have changed since because he supports it now. He's all right. All right. I want to throw something into this conversation that comes from an interesting direction. The other day there was an op-ed attacking Medicare for all. It was written by Donald Trump, and he said, quote, the truth is that the centrist Democratic Party is dead, and Joe Biden reacted to that tell Trump should hang on. So does Trump's characterization of the party have any traction Trump? How saying that because he's greatest fear is running against someone like Bill Clinton, Nora, bam. That's why he thinks he'll lose if Democrats regain the house. A third of the Democrats in the house will be self described New Democrats far from the centrist democratic wing of the party being dead. It's alive. It's well. It's robust elected the last two Democrats to the White House, and I don't believe the way to win is a. Reprise of nineteen ninety s democratic centralism any more than I believe a reprise of nineteen sixties, democratic socialism, the way to win. We're in a new era and we need something different. Are the ideas like Medicare for all put up? Is there evidence? Those will win elections for Democrats, and there isn't respondent. I'm going to go back to questions. It's not just Medicare for all. There's also different college. There's a Ford -able homeownership. You talked about examples of elections recently where candidates have won Connor lamb, Pennsylvania, eighteen congressional district very red district. I think it had been held by Republican for more than ten years. If I, if I get that right, he was running on protecting social security. He was running on protecting Medicare and Medicaid. The issues matter as well. Now, where do you guys stand on that? Where does third way STAN on social security? I think that matters because you're talking about that are issues are not going to win the day, but were you guys on social security, protecting social security isn't a Sanders position or progressive. Populace position. It's a position I can't really think of many Democrats who don't hold it does women with flex and yes, thank you. My name is Kath. I'm wondering you mentioned the new deal and the marginal tax rate in order to pay for that program when from twenty five percent of two ninety four percent and most other countries that have Medicare type for all it seventy percent. How will you get normal working people to be willing to pay seventy percent increase in taxes in order to pay for others? There's a reason study out Medicare for all. This also point out that over half of the democratic members of the house of Representative sport Medicare for all those cosponsor legislation and support Medicare for all. So this is not a fringe idea. By the way, there was this report which showed that in fact, aggregate healthcare spending in this country would go down substantially if you had a Medicare for all system, so we'll be paying more taxes. Yes, no doubt about that. You can't get around that. Will they pay less premiums? Yes, because when penny premiums, they won't pay any co payments deductibles going gonna. Be able to get our hands around the pharmaceutical industry, ripping off this country, charging the highest prices in the world. So in the aggregate, our country is going to save money. It's going to be good for business. People will pay less Stephen. Again, this is not a debate about policy debate about politics. I do not believe if you go to half of Americans and say, you're going to give up your employer based health insurance and on government plan, they would think that was a great idea. But I wanna make different point because the question was really about taxes. Clinton was elected in nineteen Ninety-two why didn't lose the house in nineteen ninety four because Bill Clinton raised taxes and the people did not want that. So there is a limit to I'm for Kexin creases. I said that in my opening remarks, you can raise my taxes to whatever you want, but I think it has been well proven in this country that there's a limited tolerance for raising taxes beyond a certain point. And I don't think it works politically. Okay. I wanna go to some more questions things. Hi there. Maine's Dan. I have a question for each side. I mean, there's always in party fighting, but there seems to be a claim of who is the true democrat. And I guess that I like, okay, which of you is representing the Democratic Party here tonight? Can I answer that? Yes, yeah. Seriously. Great thing you're supposed to do is build a winning coalition that does not just include your side or other people. The point is if you want to get the White House back and large, sustained democratic majorities to do good things for the working middle class to this country, you have to build a winning coalition. That's the man, will they build a winning coalition. And when you look at it, they don't actually do that. Man have such a problem with that because what we're asking for is inclusivity what we're saying is if you reach out. Yes, white working class in the middle America absolutely matters. No one is saying we don't talk to them. We're saying came, there are Brown people. There are black people. There are young people that needs to be reached out to it needs to be inclusive. That's how you build a winning coalition and it needs to be multiracial. And so for decades. Now, those folks that I just mentioned Heff felt left. Out we have. We have felt left out now at a point in twenty eighteen where we see candidates across the country in red states and blue states that are representing everyone you have to have inclusivity. You have to include everyone and we can't go back and just focus on one group responsible. I agree one hundred percent that you have to have diverse coalition, and there's a lot of folks who have been represented well spoken for. Well, the question is what I is, should those diverse group of candidates carry and will those ideas and able you to win, sir. My name is Paul. So for people who are skeptical about too many government programs and being dependent on government, healthcare and government funded education and fearing losing their independence and freedom of choice. Someone who is more moderate like me who has left the Democratic Party and become an independent because I don't particularly relate with a lot of these ideas. How do you win me back? What a great question. That's right on the table. So. The issue of free tuition of public colleges and universities. We already have k. through twelve, I think we're all support probably going down to pre k. I don't know if you guys are in that camp or not. So we have an arbitrary deadline where you get past twelfth grade. Now we cut you off. We didn't use to by the way in New York state and California, the places you didn't use to get cut off at twelve grade. Steve doesn't want his kids getting a free ride. But if it's kids shows up in first grade, he's going to get a free ride. That's just the way we work at in this country. We have universal secondary primary and early education. There's no reason why we can't have it for undergraduate school or even graduate school. Our European allies in many cases do it that way. Great loss of talent of young people who either choose not to go to school or come out of school greatly indebted and there's research shows that people have so much that they delay making major purchases. I getting married having kids and all host of other things. If we're going to compete in the international environment, we have got to have the best trained workforce in the country. We got to maximize the human capital of our population, and that means having people who are educated that has. Eight social benefit. I have to wrap this section. So Jeff made a pitch to you on one of the particular programs that would cost money by showing you what the benefits would be. Did you find it persuasive? You certainly food for thought. Okay. Interesting. I'm happy to respond to. All right, Steve. I would just say that this gentleman actually pin is what John and I are trying to persuade everybody about that. There are a large group of people out there. Some number. I don't know what who find the policies espoused by are worthy opponents to be not what they can relate to, and therefore they have left Democratic Party and become independence chance voting for someone from the populist wing of the party are very load. Jeff just gave a really great sales pitch for one program. Probably one of the more popular programs, but I would love to see him go through that whole roster of things that he and his candidates espouse and love to do with that. You don't want gentlemen. No, not me that gentleman to become one of the comment. Sanders said that Obama wasn't progressive, but Obama won twice in build a historic coalition. And I personally think I know Steve agrees with this, did some fantastic things as president that I'm really proud of the democrat. Look, it's really, really setting up a straw man. I mean, it's ridiculous. On that note, I need to say. That concludes round to this intelligence squared. US debate where our resolution is progressive populist will say the Democratic Party. So I know all of you have a lot more. You want to say. I want to see if you can pack it into your closing statements in support of the motion, Jeff Weaver senior political adviser to Senator Bernie centers. Thank thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Listen, we as Democrats have a challenge. We have got to build the coalition this country that can beat back Trumpism. We cannot allow this country to go down that very dangerous road today. We're seeing young children locked in cages torn from their mothers. That's only the beginning of what can happen in this country and to do that. We have got to rally working people and marginalized people and young people excite them and bring them into the political process. The challenge facing the Democratic Party today is going to be relevant in ten years. Young people are overwhelmingly registering as independence. We have got to build the party of the future. We have to have bold vision. We. That big plans to deal with big problems. These guys have had their shot. They have wrecked the party. They have destroyed the coalition that under girded the Democratic Party for decades and we can't let them have it back. Thank you Weaver the resolution again, progressive populism will say the Democratic Party here to make his closing statement against the motion one more time. Jonathan Cowan, founder and president of third way on the morning of November. Ninth twenty sixteen my twin ten year old daughters woke at seven AM in their bright innocent voices. They asked is Hillary president. Now that look the shock on their face when I said, no, Donald Trump won. I don't ever wanna see that again. That's why I'm here tonight. And that's why all of you are. The question is, are progressive populist ideas the way to stop Trump to house races this year, tell the tale in Omaha, Nebraska carry Eastman. A Bernie style populace is trying to win back a swing congressional seat. Democrats held as recently as twenty. Fourteen CARA Eastman running passionately on Bernie agenda is getting crushed. She's down nine points. Meanwhile in central Virginia, Abby span burger is running as a mainstream democrat who Republican opponent won that seat by sixteen points. Two years ago, Democrats haven't held this seat in forty years. Her race is tied. We may actually flip red seat because we ran a bold and modern centrist democrat saving. The Democratic Party requires winning everywhere to regain the. House now and to fire Trump in twenty twenty. We can't win general elections with a set of socialist ideas and candidates in even most democratic primary voters just rejected to save the nation from Trumpism. I urge you to vote no. Thank you. Jonathan Cowan the resolution again, progressive populism. We'll save the Democratic Party supporting the motion, Korean Pierre, senior advisor and national spokesperson for move on dot org. I work at move on our millions of members form a big part of the democratic base. As we listened carefully to our members, we learn about their priorities and what motivates them, and it's not centrism. It's a bow, progressive vision for our future. Let me tell you about Chuck t, Chuck veteran, who joined the army to pay for college. Now, one of our move on volunteer leaders Chuck says, progressive policies, reflect the core army values instilled in him through a decade of service the he sees championing progressive policies as a second service to this country, or think of Carmen v a move on member who says, centrist Democrats have never inspired her to do more than vote, but she has been inspired to act by issues like incarceration reform and separation of immigrants families and by progressive public officials, like beta work and Jeff Berkeley. If the Democratic Party will be. Saved. It will be saved by volunteers and activists, like Carmen and Chuck progressive ideas, inspire them, activists, like Carmen, Chuck will save the Democratic Party. Progressive populism is the direction of the Democratic Party. And that is the resolution and here to make his statement against it. Here. Steven Rattner, chairman and CEO of will advisors and former counselor to the secretary of the treasury. This has been a great discussion. I do want to genuinely commend our opponents for their passion and their commitment to the democratic. 'cause it may surprise some of you, but even as a business person, I live in a world that has dominated by centrist, moderate, Democrats, independents and moderate Republicans, not all my friends are financial types things, lawyers, academics, journalists, public servants, and so forth. I know very few people who voted for Donald Trump last time and even fewer who would vote for him next time. But I also know vast numbers of people who say they could never vote for someone like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders. Not because they're not good people, but because of their ideas. My friends simply don't believe that the policies of the far left are fiscally responsible nor that they would improve the functioning of our economy, which for all of its challenges, which I will recognize is still the envy of the developed world. So to me, it comes down in large measure to practical realities, nominate someone from the fringe of our party, and we could very well end up. Losing an election, two years from now that by all rights we should win. On the other hand, I am confident that any democrat who can bring our party together and appeal to the tens of millions of independence would triumph and end our national nightmare. Thank you even Radnor. And that concludes posing statements around free. This intelligence squared. US debate. It's the difference between the first and the second vote determines our winter in the first vote, progressive populism. We'll say the Democratic Party before the debate. Thirty, three percent of you agreed with that statement, forty percent disagreed and twenty-seven percent undecided. In the second result, the team arguing for the motion, their vote, went from thirty three percent down to twenty two percent. They lost eleven percentage points. Let's see the team against the motion there. I was forty percent. Their second vote was seventy four percent. They pulled up thirty four percentage points that makes the clear winter. Thank you for me. John donvan by from intelligence squared. US we'll see next time. This intelligence squared US debate was recorded live at the Cape playhouse theatre in New York City. Robert Rosencrantz, our chairman, Liam is chief content officer. Amy craft is director of operations and production shale Matara is manager of a to'real operations, Aaron, Dalton and rob christianson the radio producers. David Whitmore is the audio engineer, and I'm your host John donvan. These debates are made possible by generous contributions from listeners like you and with support from the Rosencrantz foundation. David Coulter, Robert Epstein the Christopher w Johnson charitable trust alone, Nemeth and Allen quash the Georgia or stream junior foundation, Jerry or stream Kelly Posner, Gerston Haber the Mortimer de sac foundation, Jennifer and Felipe solemnity the Paul e singer foundation Edward stern and Stephanie rain, and Emily and Antoine Vanak mill from John donvan and intelligence squared. US. Thank you all very much. Panoply.

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I might go months at trucks this weekend. Oh, I loved monster trucks. It's a little loud. Know Marlins park. This is a big stadium show. Rena showed that'll blow your drums out. Here's something that's bad. We were supposed to your monster truck driver. And we dropped the ball on that. So if you're a monster truck driver, by the way, seven eight six four five six eight three seven we'll interview we just kind of dropped the ball at interview, Dan. What's good? Hey, so I'm going to guys I've ever heard of this thing called marijuana's. But I've been hearing about it most of my life and told it was not good. Then I got this card from my doctor that me go to these stores that sell marijuana's, and yeah, what's good, man? Okay. See I mean, that's good for Dan. Right. Have you expanded into the wild card standings at eleven points out of the last wildcard spot to gotta came at hand on Pittsburgh. So that's an automatic two points with that game in hand. So essentially just nine points back a nice little to game heater and Florida Panthers. Right back in the sweet spot. The only distort. Jim. What's good? Well, my wife just had a baby. She corrected me. Oh, wow. Congratulations. Jim. What's the baby's name? Amelia, james. Oh, that's awesome. I'm so happy for you. And your wife. What's your wife's name Kelsey? Oh, so congratulations. Jim and Kelsey on Amelia James are you with her now because you seem to be speaking softly? Yeah. Wearing like it was like five hours ago graduates. Why are you calling us? I heard it's good music. And it was just perfect awesome. Jim congratulations on behalf of go. Yeah. We're gonna already happy for you. I feel like maybe should've called some family before you called us. But thank you for calling. They're all informed of. Three thirty. Oh, wow. Jim try to get some rest if you can. I at least got to Irish she didn't get any. Okay. All right. Well, you have a baby though. I mean, you may be tired. But you have a baby. Yeah. So I'm going to be a little bit more. Okay. But that's bad. Let's not focus on the tire. Let's focus on the blessing of a a beautiful baby. Amelia, Jane, it's more excuse to drink coffee. All right. Well, there you go. Congratulations. Jim Kelsey too. I think may wanna wandering up Dan too. Ryan. What's good? A warm coffee on a cold morning. Yeah. Where do you live, right? Action just live like north of Orlando. It's like sixty degrees. But you know, what it's still a little chilly. Yeah. You know what? If it's good for you. It's good for me. Thanks for calling. Right. Abraham. What's good? How the Lobos? One. I wanted to say, hey, that's awesome. That's good. Is that what you called about good? You know, you know, what else is good? What's that? When you to you guys. And you hear the wakened take. You know, what really gets me? Here's the thing, but ham, Stu gods hung up. I guess you don't want to go the rest of that. So should I finish the thought or not I'll finish it seems have just taken wakened take for staccato? So I don't know that we're going to be doing that anymore. But hey, that's good. You have another way that you can listen to and take now. Right. That good ROY. Is that good? Sure. Gabriel. What's good? Good is my wife, and I has got a new parliament, congratulations. Where do you live? We live in KENDALL. But we're moving to plantation. Oh, wow. My hood where do you work by? Boy, that's the thing. I work usually in Broward. I'm my fourth raw. Oh, so now you have shorter commute her community a little longer. Are you happy with the new apartment? Hooper happy two of my brothers live in the community. Oh, this is incredible Gabriel as an aside have you ever referred to KENDALL k town. Never in my life. But I heard you last time trying to get that on. Thank you. Thanks gabriel. Congratulations on the new apartment. Lance. What's good? You know, what's good is when you're stuck in traffic, and you need to make a right hand turn and that car front of you just enough for you to get by. You know, what that is good? Sometimes I get really bothered when that car kind of stays back, but for that person to realize that you're trying to get by and to have that small act of kindness just move up a little bit. So you can get by is good. You are you in traffic now? No, I'm I'm in. I'm in pretty good traffic at the moment. Oh, wow. You live by where are you worked by where guys wife works? I live in k town. Oh. Actually, the son of the infamous testicular or something. That guy that guy. That guy's a trip. I never let him with that down, by the way. But I may tell the story people haven't heard it what your dad did to my testicle. Don't do that to you. Gotta put me on the spot now. And he saved your life that Dr there wasn't even anything wrong with my foot. There could have been something wrong with your testicles. And he made sure there wasn't his father were healthy. Exactly. That's a good. Dan. Your testicles are healthy. That's good. I wanted to ask this, dude. How much shame. He buries his father in for asking me, specifically if I knew what a big fan of the show, he was while I was with my feet up in the air holding my own testicles as he wanted quite of Israel. Yes, I super embarrassed to this day. But we yes, I do not let him live that down by any good. I always remind them every chance I get. I imagine he took a picture that day. And he has it hanging up in his office like that. He has your up in his office. Trey some sort of a hip doctor pace hippo. Jumping jumping off Lance's. Call though, what's I got some what's good in tracking you for calling land when you're inland. Thank your dad for saving dancing, like when you're in slow bumper to bumper traffic when year in the fastest lane of that slow traffic when you see a car ahead of you. And everyone's moving slow, but like five minutes later, you're lane, and you're passing that guy. That's good. That's good feeling and traffic got something. That's good. Okay. Ariana Grandes highly anticipated albums come out today. Oh, that's a fine. No, no, no. This is supposed to be a transcendent pop album that the music world has been waiting for. She's obviously been taken to the next level. She's headlining Coachella, thanks to Khania wanting a last second dome. And by the way, Connie got a bone to pick with you. Okay. But that's not for this segment. I know that's where the next segment got a bone to pick with you think. There's a Pete Davidson song on them. I hope so. Brandon. What's good? Studying to get my masters, and I just got accepted. Oh, brandon. That's great. What are you getting a master's in? I'm getting an MBA with a specialization in business analytics where are you doing that off Florida state? Oh, wow. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you up in containership now. Where'd you do your undergrad at Florida state as well where this is good? Do you wear khaki shorts and boat shoes? Are you stupid? Not me more. I've since exited that face, what do you what's your current phase aquatic shorts? Oh, all right. Well, congratulations on getting into the masters program. Christopher. What's good? Hey, guys. Happy Friday happy Friday Cruz Cruz. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Okay. You get to say happy Friday to everyone you meet and I woke up at four o'clock this morning and found out I didn't have to go to work. Wow. Where do you work amazing? I'm an iron worker in the city. New York City. Wow. I don't really know what an ironworker does aside from work with iron. Can you explain that to me? My job specifically is the put the glass onto skyscraper. I'll see you're more of a glass worker than an ironworker. That's scary. But I go. I really so how high up how high over you putting this glass on buildings. Today. I would have been like seven hundred feet. Oh my God. How do you do that you on the inside or the outside of the building you're on the outside of the outright the outside working in? So are you like on a scaffolding or something? What do you on? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly most days. So we're always tied off and stuff. It's safe without revealing. What your salary is. I've read that. That's actually a pretty good living in a pretty good job to have just because you're risking your life. Essentially every day you're on the job. As m I. Yeah. Yeah. They they make it worth it. But you're also working outside for forty years. So, oh, how old are you? You've been doing this job platelet. I think he just says I have to work for forty years until I can retire. Okay. How long have you been doing this? For four don't most people have to work for forty years before they retire. Yeah. But he's risking his life. Every day. You're doing this in New York City. Yes. Yeah. That's what I was going to say in your high up there. It's got to be it must be super several Wayne Kluwer Gallo. The wind is crazy up there. Thirty forty miles an hour. How are you? Wait. What are you attached to a building seven hundred feet in the air and forty mile an hour winds? They have other people that went to college that figure out all the safety for that. He's like he's like a tethered ball on one of those volleyball courts tied to a pole is that what you're likely. Yeah. You just swing around the building whenever we stopped start to work. Have you have you had any scary moments where you thought you were going to fall? Yeah. Sometimes you're not tied off for whatever reason. And we'll have happens you like a little flip or anything you that close your heart off for like five minutes has your art ever been shut off. It doesn't actually because. I'll bet you know, what? I mean. Yeah. Yeah. I do so relations for years of that. So the glass the glass from the ground or glass, come from the roof. Like, how do you get the glass? It comes down to the ground. The crane picks it up, and they bring it up to us. And it usually spin in by them is there is there like a is there like a chain or they you could move up. So like, you go from not being tied to the side of the building to maybe like crane-operator something the for me, the only way I can move up as if I'm in charge of everyone. And then if anyone gets hurt it's on me. I don't want that. Yeah. You don't want that not at all. All right. Well, congrats on the day off. Wow. Are you off Monday to? Yeah. Four day weekend. Friday have a great weekend. Thank you for answering. My call have Friday, Christopher I have one last thing. That's good. Okay. On twitter. We got express written consent from the owner of Komodo to air a Valentine's Day call from sue God's to Komodo now. A day after Valentine God's told him CO big close a business that guy's a nightclub on. He he did come through before the close of his business started his, but I was sorta stocking Grubman on Instagram, and he was taking his time. He had a nice Brian. She was in bed for very long time. What does his club history down here? Like what the Grubman? Yes, he runs the town. He's a baller. Yeah. Yeah. He live was the big one. But he obviously started well before live, it'd be an interesting person to talk to than story. And now he's actually doing really well with restaurants, plant and Komodo. He's got another concept by Lincoln road that old tire place. The iconic one the Firestone place keeping that facade. He's selling tires. No. But they're keeping that facade for the restaurant is live still a top five nightclub in America in terms of money. I think so I think so they just poured a lot of money into it. Bill you asking Bill, you probably have live. I've never been deliverance me. Neither. Oh, by the way, Jose consider got back to us. Saco? Yeah. We could talk about this later on we reached out to about the aliens Bigfoot, and we heard back good. So God's ears. Nice to have a helping hand especially when it's act season. And that hand is attached to a licensed tax professional, but turbo tax live. You can talk to real CPA's in as on-demand who can reveal your return with you before you file and make sure you're getting your maximum refund. That's very very important. They can even check your work line by line. So you can be confident. It's done, right. Who knew confidence and peace of mind could be synonymous with taxes. Turbo. Tax live would CPA's in e as on demand. See details at turbo tax dot com. Down lever card if I want to take HGH I could take hgh correct with no ramification legally. I can take HD at right with no ramifications. And there there are there are health ramifications. Dan what else so ramification? Okay. But listen, that's a meat choice. Stugatz. You won't feel. My wife won't feel a Mike won't feel your feeling wife will feel the love. I really there's a stir MO or get sick. She might be emotional. But I'm telling you she'd be acted the hottest take of them. All. I mean, my wife doesn't care if I die Stu gods is pushing the boundaries of take a tude like he is. He is going. He is going where other takes have not gone. They seized lebatardshow with stugatz on the ticket. All right. Can we celebrate the Marlins a little bit? And before I start before Billy jumps down my throat. I'm not saying they're going to make the playoffs. Not saying they're going to be really good. I'm just saying there is something to be celebrated with this offseason. All right. I'd love to hear what it is. The fact that the Marlins according to baseball America have gone from the twenty four th ranked farm system to the thirteenth ranked farm system. That's good. I should done this last segment that good. Billy your thoughts. So it took to MVP's Marcello Zona at JT, Rome. Utah to move up six butts seven spots eleven eleven. All right. Look man in the top out. I'm I'm not saying like, you know, this is going to be we're gonna make the World Series. But can we not like I have crushing them last year to to to Billy's point, though, if I told you before all this happened where does the farm system need to climb for you to be okay with yelich ozone a- Stanton. Real mutoko. Everyone being traded would you've been okay. Because obviously it has to get better. How could it not bleep in get better? Right. I would've said top ten I would've said I want that to be a top ten farm system. But we're on our way, we're we're trending in the right direction. And I know that's one website Bill is going to come. They're still. I think a website you said that they're still rank. No, no, no. That's my question is because this change is obviously all the time. So early this off season they were ranked last or second to last, but like one place, and I'm wondering if this up. Swing in the rankings is the result of just JT trade with one prospect is how their ranking the pharmacists. Maybe all I know is that you look at the Marlins top ten prospects. The top nine are all guys acquired by the jeeter group. Yes, I don't know if the Marlins make their own rankings, I would still love or in the top one hundred right to in the top one hundred. But as far as the guys the Marlins have their top ten guys are all guys acquired in the last couple of years that would it. I don't know if they make their own rankings because they would self serve them to put all the guys they've acquired at the top. So I don't really know who makes those rankings. But it's still I'm just looking for something positive. It's Friday like come on like, I'm with you. Thank yes. Yes. They are making shrine. Jerry Hairston junior says that they're going to get Bryce Harper and Manny Machado. So that's I mean incredible. Wait what? Well, he just kind of said, wouldn't it be funny? If now that they've gotten rid of everybody, they have money to spend, and they have a farm system. That's they can be proud of. Maybe if they sign these two guys. Do they have money to spend? They have six hundred million dollars laying around they got rid of their catcher. But they have six hundred billion both of them. We don't need Harper. Let's get Machado to like a nice three year twenty five year million. Would that accomplish? Honestly, I don't I don't mean to be critical, but what would signing him for three years accomplish. Because the compete for three years. So why would you sit here and comp- like you're crushing them for trading everybody. And now if they signed Machado say what the hell I'm saying. We can we stopped saying they're gonna. Yeah, they're not going. They're not this point. Look, I was not for the fire sale, right? At the beginning of a new ownership group. I think that they had a decent core. And if they would've tried to invest at the beginning and giving it a year or two and said, we're going to lose money, but we're going to be different that they could have built something with the fan base. So I wasn't for the fire sale at the beginning. But now that they've started there's no point in not trading like JT's not going to resign with the team. He's told him he's not going to signed with the team. So if you get rid of him now, you're gonna get more back for. Which is why they did it. So at this point, I wouldn't make any sense to just start throwing money at one random Irish, I get what you're saying. But the part that's infuriating and should be infuriating to both of you is people who care about the Marlins both of you should be infuriating when David Samson comes on here. And tells you that jeeter overspent on the franchise for four hundred million guess who's paying for that? It's not going to be in players anytime soon because they mismanage their business so much and the solution is always well, we'll fix the farm system. And we'll do it on the cheap. They overbid on the franchise by four hundred million dollars. They're not spending any more like they're for all jeeter's talking about. I'm not here to be patient everything else. They're down four hundred mil before they've started. And so you've got to eat that again, and again, and again as a fan base, and this fan base is tired of eating that. Yeah. But what they've said all along is that we're going to rebuild the farm system. And then when we can be competitive we'll start spending. So I'm just saying in their mind, if they think their farm systems rebuilt, if they were to spend some money on Machado like I get it that doesn't make them that much closer. But like we're gonna crush that move to it's what they say, and it would be really counterculture to Derrick jeeter to not try to go and actually win. Once he starts getting some traction and getting closer that being said, we've seen this movie before they'll sort being, okay? And then they'll start blaming us for not going to direct Ville cry war, and they'll sell the players the different movie a whole different. This is a new director. So you only movie, I know do sir new writer. I know that's what you know. That's what I feel like what we're taking that movie and bringing into this one what they're banking on though is the same thing the Astros banked on. But the Astros are an outlier the Braves banked on it some to what they're banking on comes. We're four hundred million in the hole. Maybe we'll get lucky and be able to do this on the cheap because some of these prospects pen up, but if they don't that's okay too because we're four hundred million dollars. In the whole when we're starting Geeta and his ownership group. They're not net flicks. Like they're coming in here. Jeeter didn't have money to do this. If the he's got bonuses in for how much money he makes every year not for how many wins. He get for how much money he makes every year. They start four hundred million the whole the part. That's calling is the way that baseball uses this place like a whorehouse and starts with the bad business of well jeeter, get the market price up on the franchise to one point two billion. Sorry, it costs you four hundred million dollars. Let the fan base eat that one for a decade. The the problem with not building a farm system because David Samson was on last week. And he said flat out who cares about the farm system. And then when we talked about in the national show, STAN Van Gundy said that that's not something that's unique to the Marlins. There's lots of teams like the gangs that think that way too. And I wish we could've talked to Stanton about that a little more because I know stands a baseball fan. There's a big difference between the Yankees and the Marlins the Yankees do not need to care about the form system because they are. Worth four billion dollars. They're an international brand they have their own television network, and they have all these different sources of revenue so they can just throw money at problems where the Marlins cannot. And additionally they can afford to eat bad contracts and bad signings where the Marlins cannot do that. So if the Marlins make a bad signing, they have to rebuild your, that's that's exactly the point. That's why that's what Jeter in his people got in there. They're like, look, we're not the Yankees. We can't just spend all this money. We need to start over get the farm system and start from there. Like, you just kind of said the point you're crushing jeeter for the last two years. No, I just kind of made the point of why he no visiting it's important for them to build a farm system. But what I was upset about is. I feel like they had a decent core. And if they would have committed to eating it and losing a little more money on the front end. They could have repaired some what they was damaged in the past with the fan base. But they did what everyone else had done. And now they have the plan to move forward. And again like Dan is saying and we've said in the past you're kinda just hoping this works. Out because if it doesn't work out in four years from now, you're just starting again. But we don't know how this group is going to handle once they have a farm system. I get it were scarred from all the bad stuff. But we don't know like Geeta what whatever his name is the other owner Sherman like he might come as I think, you're right. I think if they're actually eighty wins something with their prospects. I actually do think there they'll spend. But what I'm saying is that they've got leeway their game plan is can we get lucky? Can we get lucky on the prospect? If we do we'll spend some, and I know that you're saying, it's different screenwriters, not exactly Michael hill. So here, and I'm not a fan of his movies. But you say it's all luck that demo guy created a good farm system for the Yankees. And now he's come here and we're improving look I'm not saying anything like the Marlins are going to make the playoffs. I'm just saying. Let's let's give them a we crush them. When they when they got rid of everybody. Let's give them a little credit. They've built this. They've improved the farm system. Billy made the point that they had a. Core. And that's an understatement. I mean Stanton yelich JT Pettah, arguably JT's probably on the trajectory potentially to be a hall of fame catcher, those are three hall of fame players that you have there. You just look at that Rosser, by the way, what a bizarre Rosser because each row and Jeffrey core also on this roster. Remember Jeff tranquil when he was a more than I liked each sisters favored for some reshift Mathis Frank core. And Robert, and Dino what a bizarre Rosser this was by the way, Chris and Dan are both right. Where Chris is saying, you know, they brought in Denver who helped rebuild the Yankees system. And Dan is saying they're hoping to get lucky. It's both because you can get the talented prospects. But it doesn't always pan out because of injury or whatever. So even if you get what would be a sure thing, there's not really a sure thing in baseball look knowledge truth brought to you by Tyco. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor. What's Janet's fangs? Did she lose a bet? With a weed whacker? Oh, Sint, wait. No, no, no, no, no truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something. Gogo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more donlevatar did you or did you not say that ninety percent of your laughter on this show is fake said still gots? Why would you even say that? I got caught up in the air to be honest with you. It was believe your honesty. Well, I don't know. Whether you're being honest now, or you were being honest, then I mean, I've earned that over eleven years with you mistrust. Yeah. And you're right. I was lying because I fake left ninety five percent of the time. Okay. And if you'll badly about it, I do because I could tell you hurt by all we build you badly about it that makes two of us. It's really good. This is our show with the stugatz on the ticket, boys. One last dance. It's the weekend. It's all star weekend. One last all star game. Why don't you say? Oh god. Yes. It's going to be because look this isn't going to be popular. But the big three air is a new nineteen seventy two dolphins. Wow. Like one. This is the whole we're going to talk about the big three impairment Riley, you know, and we're not gonna win anything for forty years. And you just gonna keep talking about it. Like if it was the greatest thing ever like move on people. I love that path you want to go down. But can we do it after this weekend? This is going to be I don't know. I don't know the rules because supposedly this whole year we were supposed to be happy that Dwayne Wade who is retiring. And now we have to be remanded because the heater bad bananas. We have that. It's Wayne what others game. And then we're supposed to be happy. It's his last game in Dallas. And it's this last game, and he knew house asking them Portland. And it's like, well, what are we are? We upset or we have you what's going on other than the last game of the. Season. This is like this weekend is going to be as like motion little oh thank game. Oh, thank God for Adam silver doing this. This is the moment that I think every heat fan wanted to see this year this and perhaps the last game. Thank you paternity leave for ripping away. Lebron actually play in here one last time against Wayne weight. But this is a huge moment in the season and Bill I get that taken. I think I'd like to follow you down that logic ladder, maybe next year. But it doesn't really make sense because Nick Bongani still playing right now he's so right though, about like forty years from now teams, look like our kids. We're going to be like all this heat teams. Not the big three. All you like doing is. So I mean, he's so millennials spoiled. It's been four years he's comparing that to nineteen seventy two well have a century. Listen, there was someone in nineteen seventy six I was saying this, and you guys you guys are crazy. He's shadowing. He's not wrong because our kids are definitely going to be like, oh, no Jim Caldwell on. What was the name? I said Billy what's the name of the game McCullough. Jack McAuliffe is back. The best player ever. And I'm going to be like no you didn't say LeBron play. You're going to be like you didn't see the Carlos Arroyo years. Oh, man. Remember that? We thought he was a piece. There was also Troy Murphy was who was on that first team. What was on the? Anthony Jolie, the the the warden, and then Bibi Bibi was added. Bibi. Was added. You're one well wickedly. Yeah. Yeah. But he didn't work out. Now was bitty added. You're one it was at a year to peace. And the thing is your one piece Eddy curry was a year to pieces on stop with the year, two pieces and go back. I want to know what was the original roster of the two thousand and ten heat. You're forgetting Chalmers, right? Joel Anthony Carlos Arroyo, Mike Bibby. Chris bosh? Mario chalmers. Eric damp here on his has them. Eddie house Juwan Howard. Oh, big z. If you've got a big it went through so many centers that year, all McClure. Remember how Dexter Pittman? Remember the following? It was at the fall back house. It was so huge to be able to get a center who could catch and Rony Turey off filled a huge void like we could pass the center because everything that went up of Joel Anthony. Any it resulted in a championship just merely getting a Senator who could catch the ball. I feel bad for his journey. So Gauss Casse. Now, he spent his whole career in Cleveland and he decided to come down with LeBron to Miami for one season didn't win a championship. And he ruin that whole Cleveland legacy. He was also the catalyst for getting LeBron back over there. But the heat allowing the biggest mistake of variety era, by the way, leading LeBron go to that retirement ceremony back in Cleveland, who's the worst player ever in terms of skill that you love the most. Because I think Joel Anthony might be that guy for me in any sport like guy who wasn't talented and not I'm not gonna say downtown. But you know, what? I mean. Like, nah, he'll I'm mother's favourite. He'd player ever is Rony, Tori off. That's a good one. That's a good one. But he could catch it. No. Well, she just liked that he celebrated on the bench all the time that he was enthusiastic on the bench. But that's exactly the kind of way that you need to celebrate this. This guy has to be someone who's often on the bench to to meet Chris's criteria with the Marlins. It was Andy FOX for me. I like Dante FOX not very talented, but a good team guy forever. I never questioned his effort slap hitting Andy, FOX. Foxy foxy boxy, man. That's a good question. Who's the worst player that I've ever absolutely loved? But it's not irrational confidence. It's there their bad player because they're doing their maximum out on is the best player that you've hated because Antoine. Walker probably goes in that discussion you could go on both ends of this. You can have some fun best player evaded. I feel like Mario Chalmers is the answer for everything. Mario Chalmers from member after LeBron left. We realized that the backward of Mario Chalmers and Norris. Cole custodes play them at the same time. Sometimes and I think Dame near had an aneurysm when Norris Cole inbounded the ball to us on Whiteside, and it sawn through it back to north goes deigning out of bounds. You guys realize we are slowly Morphing into the show that Billy was lamenting during this segment where you're there. I don't wanna I don't wanna be the one to break it to you. But you're Hank you become Colbert longing for the two thousand and ten heat. Why wait a minute. Wait a minute. Get dragged into this. I'm not the one sitting here. That's me with the hurricanes. Let sync into it. Then let's talk about the Dexter Pittman. Start in Indiana. Yes. Let's let's do that ten minutes. Have just hard fouls. Only did was just clobber everybody. We're all on the shoulders of Erik Spoelstra. Dwayne Wade flirting with Tom green a team on the edge of elimination. Miami Heat believing that perhaps Dexter Pittman was the seven foot evolution of the future in basketball. Dexter Pittman goes out there. And I think in five minutes has four fouls. I'll I think you could do better than that. I think it might be six thousand five minutes. But the Dexter Pittman. Start is wonderful, Mike because the Dexter Pittman. Start is absolutely the Miami Heat thinking. Okay. Maybe we discovered Hassan Whiteside at the university of Texas here. A few years early Pitman's a seven footer he can move around. He's got good footwork. Maybe we can shape Dexter Pittman into Isaac Austin. We did that show for about two months. Hanley Ramirez was a guy that was really talented that I didn't hate him. But he was frustrating. I was kinda with Tommy Hutton you need to run that ball out. I hate Tommy HUD, him because of his whole, whoa. His whole Hanley Ramirez thing. I'm this isn't a popular thing. I don't really miss Tommy. Hi, did when he was gone. He's he's back now. Welcome back. Tommy, I was happy when he came back. But I was kind of like, you know, he was so mean to Hanley and always telling me how great I'll freight omega was. And if I were to hear one more time about professional at bats that leaded flaccid four pitches. Oh, that was a good professional a bet. That's just as good as it. Hit. Get a hit hit are better than strikeouts. Okay. Tommy, I didn't I don't need to hear about. Professional at bats. And how this. Laughing. Upon the box or hold on a second. We'll get to the Dexter Pittman box score in a second allies. Gonzales says that guy from me in the in ODS was. Yeah. You didn't like Alex Gonzales did not he wasn't super talented. What's no? Here's a great defensive infielder. But you cannot met the life. I didn't trust him to hit either. Oh, I mean, it wasn't gonna hit. But home run was because of me, by the way that that worlds. Wait to hear this again. 'cause I was like I was in the we needed to change things up. Sometimes you got change things up. I was in my seat. I went out to the concourse just change things up first pitch home run. So you're bragging about missing one of the greatest moments of franchise history. You gotta take one for the team Bill. I remember when that happened. There was the there was a gang Ke's fan. And it was it was Jeff Weaver, right? Or was it Jared? It was Jeff Jared was the good one. Yeah. Terry dream Weaver. Yeah. So Jeff Weaver came in. And there was a gang keys fan, and he was going down. I was in the upper deck in the right field corner. And he was talking about like Jeff Weaver is not going to get this done. I'm telling you, we was gonna blow this. He's going to blow it or like come on, dude. It's like extra innings in the World Series. Where are you going to get popcorn or something? And then he comes back, and everybody's laughing at him because he was like I told you that Jeff Weaver wasn't going to get it done. He was cursing. Jeff with is interesting that I can get you too long for the two thousand and three Marlins the way you make fun of Mike for longing for the ten thousand two thousand and ten heat Hank Goldberg, but you guys are living in the past. Come on. It's two thousand now. Let's talk about Braden Looper coming in with the bases loaded out of it. One though I was at that game. Both all year long people up clutch when he needed most people refer to that Asian retires Alex Gonzalez game he did more for this team. And Chris Bosh? Did that wasn't the Alex Gonzalez game? That was the game that Braden Looper escaped with the bases loaded and out it was it was a who's gonna throw up on their jersey. Exactly, Jeff Weaver. And Braden Looper stood tall. Bring me back, man. I love that man. We are all hand Goldberg. I found the Dexter Pittman saw. Okay. We gave them way too many fouls. But we also gave them way too, many minutes. So he's starts the game the Kieft or down in this series are now in this series. This is a pivotal game. Three the heat end up losing this game ninety four to seventy five. Dexter Pittman starts he only plays three minutes and twenty nine seconds. He goes over to from the field with one foul and a minus five one found one thousand. That's not the way that I remember. I remember like six flagrant. Yeah. I remembered six flagrant since seven turnovers, and he had no flagrant and no turnovers, but Spoelstra just. After three and a half minutes. He was on pace that foul out quick. If you do the math fouls, man. This was a blowout. Gents even Terrell Harrison Juwan Howard got minutes. It someone say Hank Goldberg. Yes. The hammer. I love the idea of this being how our show descend into the sports radio muck because we're not going to be allowed to keep evolving. Forever. Right. Eventually we are going to actually be hangover. And then get rejected like Hank Goldberg that's going to happen. I just can't believe the lack of self awareness and Billy that he can absolutely pine for the two thousand and three Marlins, but the two thousand and ten heat who still have a player in the all star game. This weekend is not as early an author debatable it that one. Okay. This was the Tony brothers game. Oh, remember waiting for the referee? Assignments remember me giving the audience a breakdown of what to expect because I knew every against the spread record of Ray. This was or your time. Chris before you were here all of us were in the IT guy Lazarus's office, and he was explaining to us why it is their defensive rotations were worked. It was all of us. And we were listening intently because we're like somebody. He's got to know something here. Why is this team nine and eight with LeBron Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh on it? Imagine the the conflicting emotions will Braun just has the staredown game in Boston and saves the entire blueprint and has to come home the winning game seven and the official staring him in the face or Tony brothers and Joey Crawford. Oh, it was like the mon- stars of officials. That's a scare that you ever been before a game. Is it not as games game six? That's the most scared. I've ever been before a game was that's it game six game. That's the most scared you've ever been before a sports event. Yeah. I would take a bite of food. And immediately poop it out whole. I was an entire banana bread. I remember that I watched that entire game on my bed with like my covers just over my body with only my face being exposed. I was in. I was like listening to nine inch nails the entire day. Just trying to get my mind. Right. I was so psyched out for that game. I couldn't watch it. I was in Washington. And I was walking around looking at the monuments that make I couldn't watch it. 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Iowa mess means no official results  and questions about the future of the caucuses

The Daily 202's Big Idea

13:46 min | 9 months ago

Iowa mess means no official results and questions about the future of the caucuses

"Good morning from Des Moines. I'm James Home from the Washington Post and this is the daily to for Tuesday February fourth in today's News Joe Mansions proposal to censure president trump meets resistance on both sides states scramble to carry out. Trump's corona virus Orville mm-hmm in Boris. Johnson is squabbling with Brussels over what it means to be friends with benefits but first the the big idea Iowa Democrats spent a year evaluating the record large field of presidential candidates all in search of someone they believed it could defeat president trump in November. But on the night they were asked to deliver a definitive result the entire precinct caucus system broke down and I Iowa place in the nominating process. became the story hours passed as the Iowa. Democratic Party struggled to reconcile conflicting numbers from from nearly seventeen hundred precincts partial numbers from selected caucus sites that were being covered by television networks painted confusing and sometimes conflicting portrait of what was happening in the absence of results in real time. It was anybody's guess who was winning by the time the results are reported. Perhaps this afternoon they could be subject to challenge orange or questions from one or another of the campaigns and the scene will have shifted to New Hampshire whose primary will be held a week from today. The one conclusion from the numbers that were being collected by the media suggested that the eventual winner would receive a lower percentage of the vote than any previous winner since nineteen seventy two. When the modern caucuses is were born but that could end up being the secondary story last night it was all about Iowa and not the candidates Iowans of prided themselves on their first in the nation caucus voters in this state of taking their role seriously and over the years a culture has developed here of citizens turn out to see and evaluate the candidates firsthand to kick the tires Democrats? That's often ended up settling on a candidate who would go on to win the party's nomination. But whatever the culture that exists in evaluating candidates Iowa has also come under strong and recurring recurring criticism for exercising outsize influence on the nominating process. This predominantly white state where agriculture is the dominant industry is far from representative representative of our nation the absence of a larger minority population especially for a Democratic Party. That's become increasingly diverse in its makeup rubs raw many non Iowa Democrats beyond that the caucus himself as a target of criticism unlike primaries in which voters can cast their ballots in secret anytime of the day when the polls are open the caucus process is far for more demanding. Participants must arrive by fix time in the evening and then be prepared to stick around for several hours. As the process of alignment and realignment plays out the Caucasus disenfranchise enfranchise some voters. Who because of working hours or other issues aren't able to be at their present site at the appointed hour this special provisions were made to make it easier for those people to pretend satellite caucuses at different hours still? The caucuses are cumbersome and critics. Unfair as a result defenders of the caucuses and of Iowa Have Long said that this is one of the few places where candidates need to meet voters face to face where they must answer questions and listen and perhaps learn a little bit about real life but even in Iowa their eric questions about the prominence. This state plays given its demographics and small size. And now there's a big problem and there is little doubt that it will bring more pressure than never on Iowa's leaders to justify their presence on the calendar and the system they have built Joe Biden's campaign sent a letter to the Iowa Democratic Party thirty last night demanding answers and putting the party on notice about the eventual results people in two other campaigns said Steve Party leaders hung up on a conference call with representatives from all the campaigns campaigns when the leaders were pressed about one results will be released then they had another conference call around two AM's morning for the people that they had hung up on the party. City officials told the campaigns they plan to release caucus results this afternoon to people on that call say that it turned testy Bernie. Sanders is senior adviser. Jeff Weaver got into a tense ends exchange with Iowa Democratic Party. Chairman Troy Price. Mandy McClure spokeswoman for the Democratic Party says they found inconsistencies in the reporting of results in addition into the tech systems being used to tabulate. They're using photos of a paper to validate that all the results match and ensure that they have confidence before they put. Any numbers is out. If Monday's problems were an isolated example that'd be one thing but my colleague Dan Balls. WHO's been covering Iowa caucuses for the post since nineteen seventy six knows that this is the third time in as many caucus nights when Iowa has struggled to get it right eight years ago Mitt? Romney was declared the narrow victor of a Rick Santorum on the night of the Republican caucuses but the absence of full results on caucus night left the outcome unresolved then weeks later. Sanatorium was declared the real winner but it was too late to give his campaign the boost he needed four years ago Hillary Clinton and Sanders battled throughout a long night of counting. Clinton's campaign claimed victory without knowing for certain that she had won in the end her margin was was less than half a percentage point and the sanders campaign. Even now does not believe he actually lost. In the absence of results yesterday cable television provided reports from individual caucus sites the television audience saw was not particularly reassuring especially to those who have been skeptical of or simply. Don't understand how caucuses work island's gathering there presents. They break into groups to show support for an individual candidate and then they're counted when that count is completed candidates who don't threshold of fifteen percent support our declared not viable able supporters of non viable candidates. Then free to move to support another candidate it sounds complicated and it looked even more complicated on television. The absence results created an odd ending to the evening a series of speeches by the candidates all claiming in one way or another successor victory especially Pete Buddha judge in Sanders every single candidate promised to take the fight on to New Hampshire. And that's the big idea. Here are three other headlines that should be on your radar. You're number one house. Managers and the president's defenders offered their closing arguments at the Senate impeachment trial where the senators have largely made up their mind. Democrats have nowhere near the two-thirds that they need to remove trump from office in the only remaining drama centers on a few possible swing votes from each party in a floor speech. Joe Manchin the Democrat from West. Virginia declined to reveal his decision but he asked his colleagues to consider censoring trump a less severe rebuke front than removal from office. That few senators others are willing to pursue Doug Jones the Democrat from Alabama. Who beat Roy Moore said? He remains undecided. About how vote on conviction. Lisa Murkowski the Republican. I'm from Alaska. Condemned the houses pro while also calling trump's behavior shameful and wrong but then she said she won't vote to convict him both the house managers trump's legal team crafted their remarks with a view toward the campaign trail as voters will decide the future of his presidency. Trump pats looney emphasized that the Iowa caucus were going on one last night as he delivered his closing speech and he said voters should get to decide. The president's fate lead house manager. Adam Schiff argued that trump lacks the character to comport himself properly as president describing his behaviors far more destructive than anything Richard Nixon or Bill Clinton ever did to trigger their impeachment proceedings at least ten Republicans wickens have now echoed Lamar Alexander the retiring Tennessee. Republicans belief that trump's conduct was inappropriate. These comments have contributed to speculation that Congress could pursue censure as mansion Incheon proposed but multiple senators in both parties flatly dismissed. The idea yesterday after mansion floated it on the floor asked to gauge the appetite for central among Republicans Mike Brana Republican Publican from Indiana replied immediately quote zero the vast majority of Republicans. He explained believe trump did nothing wrong and has been subjected injected a partisan investigation several Democrats. Also say they're uninterested in the idea calling it a punishment well short of what trump's conduct deserves jon tester a moderate Democrat. It from Montana said what trump did was impeachable and giving him a slap on. The wrist. Won't do any good tonight. Trump will deliver his state of the Union. Seizing the diocese on the cusp of his Senate acquittal. To make the case for a second term White House officials are saying it's going to be sounding the starting gun for the race to re election the official theme of the speech will be the great American. Comeback Trump Lancer percent a vision of as one put it relentless optimism and to summon lawmakers offers from both parties to work together on economic policies and other issues but the traditionally presidential tone preview by the White House has been belied by the president's own messages of discord in disunity and has vowed to seek retaliation and retribution against Democrats John Bolton who he feel wronged him by searing his impeachment into history is an open in question whether trump will use tonight's address to complain. He has another forums about the impeachment order prematurely. Celebrate the trials almo certain outcome some Republican lawmakers have urged the president not not to do so in part because the Senate's expected to formally conclude it's trial until Wednesday in a conference call yesterday afternoon with reporters to preview the speech. A senior administration official said trump's going to focus on five different issue areas. That the speech is going to be thematic a blue-collar boom for which he will credit his negotiations with China Mexico and Canada domestic mastic policies that help working families including paid family leave healthcare immigration and national security trump. Also plans to use. The speech to sound appeals to his conservative Serb base for an example. He's going to propose. A tax break to support scholarships for private and religious schools. The pet issue on the right number due to the second corona virus death outside of mainland China has been confirmed in Hong Kong as the outbreak continues to spread China's national. National Health Commission reported today that there are now twenty thousand four hundred. Thirty eight confirmed cases in the country including fifteen in Hong Kong and Macau the self-governing island of Taiwan reported ten cases. The World Health Organization says there are one hundred forty six confirmed cases in twenty three countries outside of China the United States recorded its eleventh case of the Colonel Virus with a couple from central California falling ill after the husband visited the province at the epicenter of the outbreak states here are scrambling to carry out. Trump's corona virus. I travel order in interviews with our health reporter. State officials complained that the order that came from trump late Friday afternoon with no advance notice required them to rush planning he he banned non. US citizens who recently visited China from entering the country and ordered the quarantine of Americans who visited Wuhan within the past fourteen days immediate relatives of US citizens permanent imminent residents in flight crew members are exempted but Hawaii. Lieutenant Governor Josh Green says the way this was ruled out has made things harder. This isn't the kind of thing you want to do. On the fly why he says because it just creates chaos and there was a lack of answers when they tried to follow up with the feds local jurisdictions responsible for quarantining people once they leave airports under this trump order. That's left these local authorities struggling to implement a system that they had less than three days to devise number three with Britain's exit from the European Union now official at long last the two partners. Yesterday begin to squabble over their future relationship. Prime Minister Boris Johnson huffed that he would rather leave the economic bloc without a free trade deal than see Britain shackled to fusty European rules at the very same same our. He delivered a speech before parliament on the question. E- You chief. Negotiator Michel Barnier outlined. The blocks demands declaring that Europe will agree to a free trade deal with Britain only if they submit to the continent's regulations and so began an eleven month transition period. When all of this may or may not be sorted out in this messy and drawn run out split after forty seven years together? The divvying up of the stuff turns out to be not so easy. Britain under Johnson is now all about cutting loose and going in global and making side deals with the Americans and the Australians. Well Europe is all about the need to preserve a level playing field if Britain wants to be friends with benefits meaning in their parlance lanes access to its single market of four hundred fifty million consumers in broad strokes in language or a ton and marked by the clever turns of phrase that that Johnson perfected as an Oxford Educated Fleet street columnist. The Prime Minister laid out his vision for a post brexit Britain that will be a world champion for a Free Trade Johnson mixed metaphors but his message was clear he said Britain is ship in the slipway ready to set sail. Then he called it a rocket on the launch pad ready to blast off and then finally he said it's a butterfly leaving its Chrysalis. Johnson said the kingdom is reemerging after decades of hibernation to be the lead campaigner center for Global Free Trade. And frankly he said it's not a moment too soon because the argument for open markets is no longer being made by the Americans. The Prime Minister took a swipe the trump his friend warning during his speech that trade wars and tariff barriers are in vogue from Brussels to Beijing and Washington. And he says that's a very a bad thing for the world and that's the daily to Oh two for Tuesday February fourth. Thanks for listening. I'm James Hillman. Talk to you tomorrow

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Debating the New Hampshire Primary

In The Thick

37:32 min | 9 months ago

Debating the New Hampshire Primary

"Ooh Hey what's up. Welcome to in the thickness podcast about politics. Race and culture from a POC perspective. And I'm and pillow. It's a special Monday. Drop ahead of the New Hampshire twenty twenty primary election. which is this Tuesday day but before we get to that I lo just a reminder? It family. We'd better see you in Mississippi we've got to live shows and podcasts cast workshop. We want to see you there. And the first week of March we want to see you in Detroit for another live show so check out our social media and today's episode show have all the information to RSVP okay. Let's move to another state a little bit north of Mississippi Julia. You you were in New Hampshire just to clarify that demographically. It is actually whiter demographically than Iowa but we are talking about the POC. Vote in New Hampshire. We're going to get to that in a second. But who do you. You drove over the border line from Massachusetts to the New Hampshire. And you're GONNA give us your hot takes on Friday's debate. I loved your ratings. They were kind of adorable power. Rankings your power our ranking. I'm going to trademark those race. Did come up for a good portion of the debate but aside from Andrew Yang it was an all white stage so he kind of made you feel like wow it would have been interesting to hear what's on the candidates of color had to say about reparations voter suppression and in the case of Andrew Yang you know. This claim that universal basic income would solve the issue of racism. Oh alright that got US side center. He said just just letting you guys know I I mean economic empowerment. Yes but it's not gonNA solve everything after Pete. Buddha judge performed well in Iowa wasn't surprising that Elizabeth Warren Enemy Clova Char went after after him. Clova Char started criticizing Buddha judges electability by pointing to his lack of political experience. Warren took issue with his answer on the issue of race The moderator from ABC News Lindsay Davis Pushed Buddha judge on the fact that racial disparity in marijuana arrests in south bend. Indiana in his city went up during his time as mayor. You know was there a pressure from him to say we want. We want better numbers right right. Buddha judge kind of skirted around his answer and Warren made it clear. That race shouldn't only be brought up when people are talking about criminal justice. Thank you you for that in so many cases of incarceration disproportionately of black and Brown Americans. Were the incarceration. Did far more harm right. Hello how do you explain the increase in black arrests in south bend under your leadership for marijuana possession. The overall rate was lower. There was an increase the year before you were an office. It was lower once you became in office in two thousand twelve. That number went up in two thousand eighteen. The last number of years here that we have record for that number was still up and one of the strategies that are community adopted was to target when they were cases where there was gun violence and gang violence which was slaughtering so many in our community burying teenagers. Disproportionately black teenagers. We adopted a strategy. That said that drug enforcement would be targeted in cases where there was a connection to the most violent group or gang connected to a murder. These things are all connected. But that's the point so we're all of the things that need to change in order for us to prevent violence and remove the effects of systemic racism. Not Not just from criminal justice for more economy from health from housing and for more democracy itself. Senator Warren is that a substantial answer from their judge. You have to own up to the facts and it's important to own up to the facts about how race has totally permeated our criminal justice system for the exact same joins. What was it like to be there can you you just give us like you know the vibe the feeling just give us a four one one? It was in Manchester New Hampshire there obviously national local media. People don't understand as well That that part of New Hampshire's part of the Boston market so there is a lot of Boston media so I I got a lot of colleagues which is great but in the end and I think what I got from talking to people and reporting and that Bernie Sanders is by far consistently very likely. We're GONNA win this well. I mean I'm not making predictions but that's what people are saying and a lot of that has to do with Interestingly his outreach with connects voters am I right even you have yes. You're absolutely right in one of the things that I had an opportunity to connect with Jeff Weaver Weaver in the Spin Room. He's sanders a senior adviser because that Friday There was a release by the UCLA. Latino Policy See in politics initiative that look at voting data from Iowa and it showed that Sanders won over half of the vote in Iowa's top thirty ready to high density Latino caucus locations so basically thirty two sites. Were there are a lot of Latinos in each of those sites so I asked weaver whereafter. The debate on Friday like about the study and whether this was a strategy for the sanders campaign and this is what he told me early on in the process. we reach out to Latino voters both in Iowa and in Nevada. We've been reaching out as well to Latino voters in California and other states during the last campaign we saw tremendous explosion support for Senator Sanders among Latino voters all across this country. I think that his own immigrant story connects with Latino voters I think in many ways Senator Sanders talks about the America. Sure that people who came to this country thought they were coming to and it's an aspirational community. That I think really you know They really like Senator Sanders Message. So Winning Latino voters a very important part of his primary a strategy. But let's be clear. You know. Latino voters largest racial minority now in the United States of America typically underrepresented represented in the general election pool voters and we think Senator Sanders strengthened. The general election will be able to bring out a large numbers of Latino Voters Latino Support Maria as a political journalist. When I was looking at the cycle again and I know about you but when Sanders announced again there was a little but like why? Are you doing this right. But there's a lot of Latino and Latina support for Bernie Sanders in places not just this California like eight is an explicit strategy. And I'm seeing that loyalty in a lot of places and it's real so I just need to step back and sort of like the reporting I've done. I was skeptical. But I'm Kinda saying now it's like I think we shouldn't take it for granted. I I think it's real. I think it's fascinating. Actually you know when you think about the fact that the Latino Latina voter is perceived to be socially conservative somewhat what but politically progressive. But then you also know that twenty five. Let's say percent that's a rough Latina's voted for trump You've got this strong. Evangelical thing going on that is very anti abortion but at the same time you've got this really intense radical radical wing of Latino Progressive Politics that comes from Latin. America is a part of the experience of Latin America. And what I want to know is like who in Bernie campaign like really understood this and crystallized it and said we've got to get the ground game first of all from what from talking to the centers campaign and talking to people have been covering it and also just I voters in general. It's younger. It's definitely younger. And what you're seeing is like. Yeah these younger like let next like voters who are telling their like parents will meet Bernie but you have to say one of the senior advisors to the campaign his name is Chuck Rocha and Chuck is from Texas. He's Latino he is part of the inner circle what he told me via twitter. And there's reporting on this as well as that. It's not being seen as a separate thing. You know what I'm saying like Latino campaign strategy is not separate. It's not like a little like you know you have your main campaign. Oh and here's the Latino outreach it's integrated into the private years weaver who is a white liberal man. Give me an answer so quickly. Like he didn't even know who this reminds me of. What Matt Dowd Remember Matt Dowd? who was the chief? Strategist for For George W Bush and all he did was to you. Think about how to get the Latino Latina vote which George W did at about thirty thirty five percent and he did very well a super super good and if you have that and you understand it and integrated it can in fact be the difference. Here's something interesting. You know my Latina Women's group they have this fascinating. What's up going through all the debates bates and towards the end surprise surprise many of them were saying that they were liking clovinger? I was going to say that that was the big takeaway of my reporting on Friday and also following why she did first of all I think Loescher did a fantastic job like fantastic well. She was very strong strong. I mean here's the thing you could say what you want. Everyone went after Bernie about like the question about. Oh it's a socialist and everyone kind of backed off and Bernie did a really good job like And he's doing a good job and let you gotta be on us. He was consistent. I mean people are fawning all firm on Morning Joe Joe Scarborough right now is like fawning it over him. So that's like Doodoo right but amy Klobuchar did really well at least saying hey. I don't stand for socialism or or Democratic Socialism. So I'm going to give you a different option listening to this about meeting the moment and my first thought is. I'm a fresh face up here for a presidential -sential debate and I figure that fifty nine my age is the new thirty eight up here. The second thing I think about is this and then is there. You go meeting the moment meeting the moment. We had a moment the last few weeks mayor. And that moment with these impeachment hearings and and there was a lot of courage that you saw from only a few people. There was courage from Doug Jones our friend of Alabama. Who took that tough? Oh there was range. There was courage from Romney who took a very very difficult. Though there was I read today about the tenant curnow curnow intimate and being escorted out of the White House when he took her it. But like you said Pete as you're campaigning through Iowa as three of us where jurors in that impeachment hearing you said it was exhausting to watch and that you want it to turn the channel and watch cartoons it is easy to go after Washington because because that's a popular thing to do. It is much harder as I see centers chicane in the front row such a leader. It is much harder to lead and much harder to take those difficult positions. Because I think this going after every single thing that people do because it's popular to say and makes you look like a cool new cover over I just. I don't think that's what people want right now. We have a newcomer in the White House. And look where it got us. I think having an any closure if you look has been tracking walking has been trending up the last couple of days in New Hampshire. That's all everyone's talking about. And what's crazy about this all media in Massachusetts and New Hampshire gotTa Remember That Elizabeth Warren is a Massachusetts senator and she had Massachusetts like elected officials. There who knows where she goes but watch out for Amy Klobuchar I on primary night on Tuesday. Night in New Hampshire. That's all I'M GONNA say. Thank you for doing that. For driving across state lines. It was not that far. It's only an hour and ten minutes. You know who's great. So that's that's why I'm saying thank you for doing. You're like yeah. Yeah like I do that all the time. It was good. I also checked out colleges for my son so I turned it into I was like well. Maybe you should go here. Play soccer but listen. I WANNA turn a little bit to the primary race in New Hampshire which we said is. Is this Tuesday so while I was there on Friday before the debate repeat I had the chance to interview our good friend. He's kicking butt for. CBS News as a political correspondent. Ed O'Keefe Ed has been on in the thick before we both know very well just because people are going to be like. Wait Eto Keith. Yeah he's Latino okay his family's from Central America and he's always consistently reported on the community and is doing it for CBS right now. He's doing a fantastic job so it was funny because I looked like a podcast guy because I had no no makeup or anything like Ed shows up. And he's about to go on television like in an hour and he looks fantastic but I met him at a local hotel lobby which is basically the debate bait headquarters of all the media and everyone who was. Everyone was in that hotel in the lobby so I asked him. I asked Ed where New Hampshire stands in the shadow of the Iowa caucus chaos. Because like you said Mighty New Hampshire is even whiter than Iowa. According to the census that's ninety three percent white and it's a state still with a lot of significant political power. No major party nominee in modern American history has won without coming first or second in New Hampshire's there's primary which is wow so I asked ed about the PC vote and this is what he told me. I don't think we can assess whether this whole diversity argument women was as valid or even more valid than it has been in the past this time until we see how many African Americans Latino Americans is Asian American show up in bigger states where they actually can throw it elections either way and demonstrate that they were the deciding factor. There is evidence because of the work that they were doing that on the margins the micro targeting the sanders campaign did in Iowa towards Latino households in places like Des Moines Muscatine actually probably saved them from placing definite second. But that won't be an issue here in New Hampshire and we'll see how everything plays out going forward in Nevada and South Carolina And you know the I think the other thing to keep in mind is as you know as you talk about all the time. We are not monolithic. Black voters aren't necessarily monolithic. Either and so you know they're gonNA WANNA be with the winner and if Bernie or Buddha jets comes out of New Hampshire and wins uh-huh what's GonNa Stop Black Latino voters from looking at them and saying okay. Look you may come from a very white part of the country but on paper. You've done this or that Ed or you've said this or that or you've done these things and I'm okay with that because ultimately last I checked like one hundred point. Five percent of Democrats wanted to feet president president trump at all costs and so if the party ultimately pick somebody. They're going to go with that person. So talk to me about mayor the buzz since so you literally went from Iowa to like New Hampshire. You're on the trail and there is momentum before the primary like the Boston Globe poll like he jumped twelve points which was incredible. Let's talk to me about what you saw in the last Week since Iowa. He's made the point that you know. There's a lot of intrigue for him. A lot of interest that existed in Iowa paid off barely but it paid off and that he had to put points on the board to start convincing. Everybody else and I know from having talked to New Hampshire voters not just Democrats but independence too because remember member in New Hampshire. Independents can jump in on this and they have said. I'm intrigued by this theory or the concept of thirty eight year old small town mayor. Our military veteran who yes sold by the way is married to a man and if he can do it in Iowa. And if you can do it in New Hampshire you know He. He may be unstoppable at least until he hits the Mike Bloomberg brick wall and it's similar to what Obama used to say which is just vote for me and helped me win and the skepticism episode will disappear. So I think the surge here in New Hampshire in the days leading up to the primaries driven by that and I said we're okay with this and so they're going to say well maybe we are too and look at what's going on in Washington as this caucus and primary season plays out you have all these. Old Politicians wins literally acting like children in some cases swearing at each other questioning their faith ripping up documents in front of their faces and he was thirty eight year. Old fresh-faced guy out here who reminds voters by the way that every time Democrats have won the White House in the last fifty years. They've done it with a fresh face. WHO's younger and hasn't spent much? It's time for if any in Washington and I think a lot of them are just go. Oh He's got a point so he's hammering that now in New Hampshire. Yeah and he also in this state more within an Iowa can hammer his military service. This this is a state with a high level Compared to others of active military service and then veterans and so having the endorsement of a group vote vets which is a popular veterans organization and having them out actively campaigning on his behalf is a huge huge asset. That he didn't play up as much in Iowa But he definitely can to his advantage here. So New Hampshire is GONNA matter. Where does this go next? I I mean obviously the the primary is on Tuesday but like how big is a win in New Hampshire and then is it going to be seeing sort of the classic momentum if you start looking at pre or what what do you think that necessarily because merge incredible operations in Iowa and Hampshire but less so in those other states he's spent considerable amount of time in South Carolina to try to boost is numbers with black people but not as much necessarily Nevada whereas sanders inviting especially have spent a Lotta time there and so it could be a real test for Buddha. The judge coming out of New Hampshire to sort of say you know does. My win helped me in Nevada and South Carolina where Mike is going to have to hustle over the few days that remain between between the two states to actually get something done and it'll be Biden's last opportunity if he can't make it happen in Nevada and South Carolina ten. Pack it up because ran out of money I mean last reports said he only had nine million dollars. That's like Jeb Bush level problems for you there in her because a member Bush came out of the twenty sixteen campaign big name recognition Asian. Look good on. Paper was doing well and pulling for awhile but then suddenly couldn't raise any money when he got South Carolina and lost. He had to drop out because he had nothing left. Could Happen Abidin as well. So so it's critical for everyone but certainly whoever emerges from here. Victoria's especially if it sanders Goes into the next two in very good shape. The question though. Thanks to Mike. Bloomberg is who really is viable in fourteen big big states on March third and who can afford to continue racing to that into those contests in California alone Texas North Carolina Georgia Arkansas Alabama Mississippi Virginia Bunch of states stay tuned northeast. Very few people can afford to do that. Bernie Sanders is one of my bloomers definitely other and maybe but only if he keeps winning. I mean what what he's saying it's it's hard to hear in some ways because he's saying like unless Y'all show up there's a certain level of irrelevancy. Yeah I you you have to show up you. You have to show up and it's going to be with your body. It's going to be going and pulling that lever and I think that that's it's a very important takeaway like we can talk all we want. But if you're not registered and you're not showing up then all his you know who cares right first of so. I just need to step back money. Because he's so damn smart he's on the campaign trail he understands the complexities of this. The fact that I can ask him that question in a place where it's New Hampshire. I'm he knew right. He knew that it. It's not just like ninety three percent white and and their pockets and I'm GonNa say this straight up money. If it wasn't for Latinos in Iowa Bernie Sanders would not have gotten the delegates and probably would've finished a distant second in the delegate count if you look at the study that was a strategy. And that's why he did so well in Iowa. Ed O'Keefe did say something. Yeah regarding Buddha judge that I just WANNA say he said yeah all good until he hits the Mike Bloomberg brick wall yeah So Mr Jones you know who is with Trans Lash media. One of our one of our all star said people are not talking about my Bloomberg. It's the only thing that's going to be talked about in a month breath or less so I just wanted to put that out there and ed it's got a good sense of it and I was just happy to connect to them journalists journalists and I. It's just really good. That we have a smart Latino Latina and journalists of color who are working in the mainstream there are few and far between but the ones who are there You know go to do that. Work because getting in those stories on the air where they're able to analyze the pse vote is also really really hard. Julio and I'm here with Eric Dill what's up. Hey Julio what's up is that I am feeling threatened because I'm wearing my favorite theater native. It's an essential if you want to be fresh all day long. Of course I know you love native because it's entirely Vegan with ingredients you've heard of before like coconut oil and tape butter and it actually works. And that's the great thing about native. It comes in ten cents. My favorite is coconuts and Vanilla. I feel like a Pina collided during the day and it lasts all day long so for all you listeners. For twenty percent off your first purchase visit native Deodorant Dot Com and use Promo code in the VIC during checkout and there's no risk trying it because native offers free returns and exchanges if you're in the US so again for twenty percent off your first purchase visit native deodorant dot com use Promo code the thick during checkout so before the debate last Friday. I love this. This is awesome moment. Can I say like this is something that you get a group of nine New Hampshire. Latino Latina political organizers and leaders. We're all GONNA get together at a Mexican restaurant in Manchester New Hampshire hello. I'm so happy that we're going to be able to share some of the conversations that you had add so Eliahu who is e e was participating in the nineteen sixty eight Mexico City student protests. Yup Alright all right so no spring chicken. But he's still out there. He came to the United States thirty years ago. And I love the way that he told you that. He got involved in New Hampshire politics because of the rise of white supremacy in his town of Hudson and so he helped to form better relations between the police and the Latino community as a result. He's the chair of the Latino Caucus of the Democratic Party of the State of New Hampshire so go Alejandro early handroll. Let's hear what you have to say. So all the campaigns has been talking with me because they want to our reach into the Latino community but at the same time than they dog with me I believe they don't really see the power of the Latino community totally no there. We say looks like for Song campaigns than is something that is really need to be invested because we are yourself you and that is a big mistake because we are not a yes the number you who compare the number of Latinos with all their estates. Yes we are but we can make the difference and also how we vote. have an impact on Outside of New Hampshire so for example with these. Bob Are happy now In the car because what happened is what is growing here is going to have much more impact. What is happening is now on the last moment I have seen gene more activity Tober to reach the Latinos? No they are not really working well that there is a lot of composite materials in Spanish. Somebody told me the other day. Do you know Latinos are there is. They are America's sees as opposed to speak English. Speaking list is a process. Anita roses awesome take time and that is not the same to speak. It'd be able to around and speak about something that understand profoundly political campaign so he's insane that this campaigns and they are not they are not giving materials in the Spanish. See something that really made me mad. Yeah Alejandro will. His story is incredible. Let me just say one thing about this conversation which I talked to them for fifty minutes. I'm actually GONNA try to edit it and put it up on one of our Fudo media properties because it's too good conversation but at the same time we wanted to share some of the highlights so besides Alejandro which I was like just just to see him I was like with history and then it's like you're not giving this to me in Spanish. I'm angry I was just like go. Alejandro Ruth Yeah. Because you're out there in New Hampshire Mexican second man Jesus fantastic but another person that I truly loved around the table. Her name was Alexander Rodriguez Murray and she talked talked about the dangers of Whitewashing New Hampshire so Alexander she's the regional organizer for a group called writes in democracy. She's an immigration activist from Miami but her family moved to New Hampshire when she was five years old. Her Mom is an immigrant from Nicaragua and she remembers the time when when her mom became a citizen and her dad is a first generation Russian immigrant from Scotland. So let's take a listen to what she had to say and New Hampshire because it's so small we have a greater opportunity for democracy and to be able to represent our solves. Our state houses like the largest body of Representatives in the world I think proportionally and our communities are small on close together. So it's harder for people to be racist when they have to see you every day and I just think there's a big opportunity movie here in the state for us to like game power and control and be able to you know pass legislation. We need and want because it's just easier for us to get those positions and also me Hampshire accepts. A large amount of refugees and immigrants and national on Manchester are incredibly diverse cities. And it's kind of whitewashing to just say like Oh. The whole state is White Latinos. Tina's aren't here one. There really is like a big percentage in certain places so props to New Hampshire but actually it's the third largest parliamentary tree representation in the world not the first. But you got a New Hampshire. I thought it was fascinating. What she said about the whole like it's small? Oh and you can't. It's like if you're going to be raised. I want to be right there. It's just like you can't hide. I think that's why in the thick is such an important part of people's lives across the country country because we actually recognize that. You're they're doing this work. You are not invisible to us and the people listened to us are interested in learning more about you outbreak. Like what what are you doing. Why because these are distinctly American stories so there was this other really great person that you met? Its Panos Enrica Cardona. He's LGBTQ Puerto Rican organizer in New Hampshire in two thousand seven at the age of nineteen. He became the youngest elected official in the state. He's now the chairman of Lakonia Democrats and he's been canvassing for Bernie Sanders catalyst moved to New Hampshire when he was fifteen from Massachusetts when he became homeless check this out he was an LGBTQ CO chair for Obama in two thousand and eight and lately. He's gotten quite a bit of media attention because he is hosted the nearly thirty Democratic candidates in his house by coming to my house having food at my house Hosting people in the yard up to nine hundred people one event and really. There's a fine line between pandering and of course there's feeling the pain of our ethnicity of our culture and our struggle. You know we're not just it's not about race for us is about the struggle of being Latin And coming from places where poverties beyond something that we in America cannot understand so really. It's for us to teach which I feel that we've been doing a really a good job but there's very few candidates that I feel truly understand not just making material in Spanish and pandering but also truly learning about our culture in the process for me me. I felt that the minute that it was it came down to about Puerto Rico. I felt that nobody could speak more about the colony status of Puerto Rico Than Bernie me sanders. So when I when I got to know him I never really thought I was GonNa Fall in love with him. As a candidate. Hillary support in two thousand sixteen at which I knows shocking to a lot of people but when he started talking about Puerto Rico the way I know Puerto Rico that is to be land that is to know our heritage that is to know Oh our culture and our struggles what we face some of US face death threats. Some of US have phase domestic violence abuse. These are real struggles in Latin America. So I want candidates that really understand not just print material pander to us but actually understand the struggles that we suffer. You know what I love about. Godless is that he embodies intersection your sexuality yes and the focusing on class so rare we bring it up a lot. Let me tell you about Carlos really quick so he he showed up about a half hour before and I showed up a half hour before. Because I don't want to sit up. Check out the space. So first of all I said we're the to Puerto Ricans that come to things early and he started telling me his story before and I was like blown away by by what he said and I just couldn't believe like people need to understand one thing about New Hampshire. Lakonia is trump country country. And here you have this teenage gay. Puerto Rican man who won and just clarify Carlos Twenty nine years is old now he just emanates confidence and just leadership and power but my Maria the last thing. This is the the thing that I felt at the near the end of the conversation. That just like really when I was recording it and people around the table like everyone paused and it was. What's Sebastian point this who sanders delegate as well he shared and he's approving immigrant who is undocumented until two thousand and sixteen? I'm going to be the only one at this table. Be Brave enough to. I want to express my gratitude to president trump for one reason and one reason only stable you know. We have a younger generation unreachable. Now getting involved in New Hampshire also Latinos. You don't see that often. He has messed up his Gorman so much that he brought up a whole different generation getting in both Alexandra young you know young activists myself manny people running for office. I respect on the next election for the New Hampshire area is going to the More people like US running. So that's something that I believe. You missed up blue. You got into you know multiple you know by now. We say that a lot and I do think that there is something that happens. When you're I mean? Our lives are impacted by politics. And when that happens things like for me in this this country it started with Nixon and the impeachment and the Vietnam War Watergate. You know all of that just touched me and even shaped you yeah. I wasn't a citizen but yeah I became distinctly involved politically and that never change. So these are the historical moments that will change people's lives and that that conversation in New Hampshire has fueled me again in like you hopeful it made me hopeful and I just want to say it you you have all these people are like we understand this New Hampshire but this is our state and we're going to try to help it and we're GonNa try to impact it and I'm like good for you one last thing. I want to say about this I I need to personally. Thank New Hampshire State Representative Mantius. beat the forgetting all these voices together I literally. Dm a week ago and said. Hey I'm coming up and really I WANNA talk to leaders thank you manny manny incredible story. He's from southern California. He identifies US Shikano. He came to New Hampshire to work for the Hillary Clinton campaign in two thousand in fifteen and southern California. Boy He stays in the state. Like the coldest flippant state in America after the two thousand sixteen primarily takes exchanges. You're like we said he said I'm GonNa bring some people he's like. I thought it was going to be like three Maria. Nine people showed up to record nine people. You know what I mean. It's hard and record them while you're eating duck goes which you say. We're legit are they. Were awesome well thank you for that. Update it before we end though what the Oscars okay I just had to. What some seventies do we used to watch the Oscars because of the political shit that was gonNA come down on the Oscar size late sets off you guys parasite one parasite won a non English film? I I like to thank everybody. Who's been supporting parasite and who's been working with parasite and who's been loving parasite? I it really really really want to thank our Korean film. Audience are movie goers who's been really supporting all our movies and never hesitated to give us straights for opinion on what they feel like. They're movies and made really never able to be complacent and kept pushing the directors. The creators keep pushing the envelopes envelopes. And without you our Korean feel margins we are not here. Thank you very much I know but I was asleep by them and I'm really the happy that that happened but I'm just like out. Do there's one more thing you guys. Yeah happy anniversary to us. Happy anniversary to us because we are four years old yeah. 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NY Cancels Its Primary, Kicks the Hornets Nest

The Point with Chris Cillizza

03:03 min | 6 months ago

NY Cancels Its Primary, Kicks the Hornets Nest

"Welcome to the important. April twenty-seventh. I'm Lauren Co author of the point. I'm here to cut through the political spin to bring you the news you need to know. New York has no canceled. It's already rescheduled. Democratic presidential primary. The primary was initially rescheduled. Because of the corona virus but the cancellation comes in part from Bernie Sanders decision to suspend his presidential campaign. Now with Joe Biden the Democratic. Party's presumptive nominee. New York State's board of elections decided it had basically rendered the state's primary moot especially because it was rescheduled to June. Twenty third so the board moved to remove sanders from the ballot and cancelled the Democratic presidential primary altogether. Here's the board's thinking quote at a time. When the goal is to avoid unnecessary social contact our conclusion was that there was no purpose in holding a beauty contest. Primary that would marginally increase the risk to both voters and poll workers. End Quote and out the subtext. Here is that while Sanders had dropped out of the race. He planned to keep his name on the ballot. So supporters could still vote for him that way Biden would still become the nominee but sanders would also continue to pick up enough delegates to sway decisions being made at the DNC this summer but with New York's new decision that now is not possible and Sanders supporters in the former campaign are not happy former Bernie Sanders campaign senior adviser Jeff. Weaver called New York State Board of elections decision an outrage and said that it must be overturned by the DNC for what it's worth. It is not uncommon for parties to cancel presidential primaries for their incumbent. President like New York's Republican primary canceled this year but Joe Biden is far from an incumbent president running for a second term. Let's get to the point. New York's decision to suddenly cancel its Democratic presidential primary has roiled the sanders wing of the Democratic Party in a major way and that is the point for April twenty-seventh twenty twenty for more updates throughout the week including our Sunday night campaign edition subscribe to the newsletter at CNN. Dot Com slash. The point if you like the audio you can get it every single weekday on Google or Amazon Echo or subscribe on Stitcher or apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast APP. So you never miss an episode

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NPR News: 10-02-2019 6PM ET

NPR News Now

04:56 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 10-02-2019 6PM ET

"Support for this podcast and the following message come from cohnresnick whose business of baseball and original MLB video series shares key insights on the business side of America's America's pastime for a game changing strategies to help your business visit cohnresnick dot com slash. MLB live from NPR news in in Washington. I'm Jack Speer President. Trump says he will cooperate with House. Democrats have threatened to subpoena him to get documents relating to their impeachment impeachment probe. NPR's Brian Naylor reports trump spoke at a news conference with the President of Finland Three House Committee Chairman have said they will subpoena the president if he doesn't turn and over documents they requested last month relating to the president's phone call with his Ukrainian counterpart in which trump pushed for an investigation of Joe Biden and his son son asked at the news conference he will turn over the documents. The president seemed to indicate he would well. I always cooperate. This is a hoax. This is the greatest hoax folks is just a continuation of what's been playing out John for the last since my election trump criticized house speaker Nancy Pelosi for in his words handing handing out subpoenas like they were cookies and called the impeachment investigation of fraudulent crime on the American people Brian Naylor. NPR News Washington House Speaker Egr Nancy Pelosi in House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff are defending the impeachment inquiry process and efforts to protect the whistle blower at its center from possible retaliation allegation Congressman Schiff saying trump's repeated attacks efforts to unmask the identity of the person won't affect the investigation. The president can attack the whistle blow rhetorically. All the president wants. It doesn't change the fact that the record of that call shows the president of the United States in a same conversation indeed immediately easily after the Ukraine president ask for more military help. The president is states asked that leader a- favor though that favor being to investigate former vice president Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden Democrats have said the pressure on the Ukrainian president constitutes abuse of power worthy of impeachment scrutiny and have warned the White House to expect a subpoena Bernie Sanders presidential campaigns announced. He's canceled campaign events until further notice because of a heart procedure he underwent last tonight. Here's NPR's Daniel Court Slaven campaign senior adviser Jeff Weaver said in a statement that sanders felt chest discomfort during a campaign event Tuesday night testing show that sanders had a blockage in an artery that two stents were inserted. The campaign said that he is in good spirits. The Sanders campaign has not provided more information at this time. I'm the news comes as sanders was preparing for campaign events in Nevada and less than two weeks ahead of the next democratic debate currently Sanders and Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Elizabeth Warren are fighting hard for the progressive vote in the Democratic primaries Danielle Kurtz Lebron. NPR News former Dallas police officer Amberg Geiger has been sentenced to ten years in prison reason for killing her unarmed neighbor after mistakenly entering his apartment and assuming he was an intruder percents decided by the same convicted of murder Geiger fatally shot twenty-six-year-old Botham John on Wall Street. Today stocks sharply lower. The Dow is down four hundred ninety four this is NPR. One runway has reopened at Bradley International Airport near Hartford Connecticut after a World War. Two era of bomber crashed during an aborted takeoff attempt killing at least seven people living other seriously burned the foreign gene propeller-driven plane slammed into a maintenance shed near the airport is the pilots were circling back for landing after experiencing difficulties retired civilian registered district planes associated with the collings foundation an educational group that brought the vintage aircraft airport this week one of few remaining. Boeing B seventeen flying fortresses still oh deemed airworthy. The plane was built in nineteen forty. Five scientists say they've designed a smartphone APP that can detect a white reflection coming from the back of newborns is is is. NPR's Joe palca explains detecting such reflection could lead to early treatment for devastating. I'll diseases often. When you take a flash picture you get a red reflection from the blood lead vessels at the back of the eyeball but a white reflection could signal danger for example a tumor at the back of the eyeball the new APP designed by scientists at Baylor University. The in Waco Texas uses artificial intelligence to scan through photos looking for the presence of that white reflection as they report in the journal Science advances. The APP apted fairly well detecting the white reflection when it was present but they're hoping to improve the detection rate and cut down errors in future versions Joe Palca. NPR your news major move by India to try to eliminate single use plastics is picking up steam. The country says it hopes to eliminate such plastics within three years. Most Indian states already already have some regulations on single use plastics. I'm Jack Speer N._P._R. News in Washington.

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Trump hires 17 more White House lawyers

The Daily 202's Big Idea

07:36 min | 1 year ago

Trump hires 17 more White House lawyers

"The daily two oh two was sponsored by T. Rowe price. Check out the confident wallet a personal finance podcast series by T. Rowe price and the Washington Post brain studio. Good morning. I'm James Holman from the Washington Post, and this is the daily to two for Thursday January tenth. In today's news talks to end, the government shutdown collapse as the FDA skills back food inspections. Tom Steiner won't run for president. And the Vatican may soon defrock the former archbishop for DC. But first the big idea. The White House is beefing up its legal team big time. It's part of a new strategy to more strongly assert the president's executive privilege in a bid to both contain the potential fallout of special counsel. Bob Muller's coming report and to curtail oversight by House Democrats. The hardball approach is being developed by newly arrived White House counsel. Pat, simple Oni. He's already hired seventeen seventeen new lawyers to work in the White House in just the past three weeks. The White House counsel's office was down to fewer than twenty lawyers late last year with Don mcgann's departure compared with forty to fifty in past administrations since he arrived. Carolina reports that simple Oni has increased the staff to thirty five lawyers and aims to get past forty in the coming weeks. He's also hired three new deputies all with extensive experience in past Republican White houses, simple, only, I met Trump when his friend Laura Ingram. The Fox News host recommended him to help prep for the two thousand sixteen debates against Hillary Clinton. Simple onea's coordinating closely with White House lawyer at flood who's leading the response to molar Democrats are particularly concerned about whether the White House will use executive privilege to keep private any portions of Muller's report that addresses alleged obstruction of Justice by the president. There's a growing sense that the special counsels closely held investigation could come to a culmination soon, some Trump advisors think Muller could deliver a confidential report explaining his findings to senior Justice department officials next month under the rules authorizing the special counsel. The attorney general can then decide whether to share that reporter parts of it with congress and the public some house leaders have vowed to immediately seek to obtain a copy of whatever Muller fines, but Trump advisor say the White House will resist the release of details describing confidential insensitive communications between the president and his senior aides it's unclear whether the special counsel's report will refer to material that the White House fuses privileged based on interviews with senior White House officials some trumpet. Anticipate Muller may simply write a concise of memo laying out his conclusions about the president's actions and not go farther, however, regionally on E, one of Trump's personal attorneys says the president's lawyers have made clear to the Justice department that they want to see Moller's completed report before the department decides what to share with congress. They're aimed Giuliani says is to have a chance to argue whether they believe some parts should remain private if the Justice department agrees with the White House counsel that the reporter portions of it should be withheld the house could try to subpoena the document, but Giuliani said the White House would then go to court to resist its release. So buckle up. And that's the big idea. Here are three other headlines that should be on your radar number one talks between Trump and congressional Democrats aimed at ending the partial government shutdown collapsed in acrimony in disarray on Wednesday afternoon with the president walking out of the White House meeting and calling it a total waste of time. After Democrats rejected his demand for border wall. Funding furious. Democrats accused Trump of slamming his hand on the table in the situation room before he exited and they said he ignored their pleas to reopen the federal government as they continue to negotiate over the wall with the shutdown nearing the three week. Mark some eight hundred thousand federal workers are about to miss their first paycheck the breakdown left. No end in sight to the shutdown even as its effects continue to spiral. For example, the shutdown has sharply reduced the FDA's food inspections. The agency which oversees eighty percent of our food supply has suspended all routine inspections of domestic food processing facilities. FDA commissioner. Scott Gottlieb, said in an interview that he's working on a plan to bring inspectors back as early as next week to inspect facilities considered high risk because they handle sensitive items like seafood, soft cheese and vegetables, or they have a history of problems, but it's not clear when or if negotiations to reopen the government will resume on Saturday, the shutdown will become the longest in US history and things are getting. Bad for some federal workers. The coastguard sent service employees a five page list of tips for how they can get through the shutdown without declaring bankruptcy among the recommendations that they consider holding garage sales or working as babysitters when off the clock. Number two. Billionaire democratic donor. Tom Steiner announced he will not run for president steered put a team together and had traveled extensively said he would instead continue with his campaign to impeach Trump. It's an effort that began last year in which he's already spent tens of millions of dollars on TV ads for the former hedge fund manager wanted to do it. But he said during a speech in Des Moines last night that there just wasn't a path to victory. One of the considerations. Is that Democrats just aren't looking for a business person to lead them? Meanwhile, we're hearing the Jeff Weaver who ran Bernie Sanders is twenty sixteen campaign will take on a diminished role at the Vermont Senator chooses to run again, which he probably will sources say the decision was made months ago long before a group of former campaign staffers asked for a meeting with Bermuda. Create a new sexual harassment policy ahead of twenty twenty. Number three Vatican. Investigators have finished collecting evidence in the sexual abuse. Case of disgraced ex cardinal Theodore McCarrick, this indicates that the Catholic church is moving quickly toward sentencing. The cleric in its secret of Justice system, the former archbishop of Washington who stands accused of sexually abusing three miners and harassing adult priests in seminarians already has become the first US cardinal ever removed from that office due to sexual misconduct allegations. Now, he faces the prospect of being defrocked, meaning he would lose his church housing and financial support. A person familiar with the investigation says the Vatican required all testimony be completed by the first weekend in January the transcripts in recording of all those witness statements are now in the hands of the congregation for the doctrine of the faith. That's the arm of the church that handles discipline and abuse cases, a source inside. The Vatican tells one of the posts religion beat reporters that the Holy See waited too long to start this process. But that now the case is accelerating. He says they're trying to quote make up for lost time. And that's the daily to of two for Thursday January tenth thanks for listening. I'm James Hillman. I'll talk to you tomorrow. The Washington Post has a new daily podcast post reports hosted by me Martine powers every weekday afternoon. We're bringing you stories about the state of the country the world, and how we come to know the things we know get it now at Washington Post dot com slash post reports.

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Healthcare Battle Shows Clear Divide Among 2020 Democrats

CNN's The Daily DC

10:50 min | 1 year ago

Healthcare Battle Shows Clear Divide Among 2020 Democrats

"It's an age of your seat. Thrill ride that will change overseas forever. The movies Sundays Nine P._M.. On C._N._N.. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses visits any today at Xeni Dot dot com slash C._N._N.. Hey Everyone I'm David challenging the C._N._N.. Political Director and this is the daily D._C.. Thanks so much for listening today. On the podcast the healthcare battle it is isn't fully engaged in the Democratic nomination contest three of the top four contenders are in daily battle now over healthcare policy and proposals Joe Biden Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders. I primarily or the combatants in this version of the healthcare discussion one by the way that was sort of definitional in the two thousand seven eight primary between Barack Obama Hillary Clinton and John Edwards and all that hill healthcare was a big dividing line there obviously we saw it as a massive dividing line in the Hillary Clinton Bernie Sanders Primary in twenty sixteen and for the Third Competitive Democratic the nomination contest in a row now we are seeing the future over healthcare policy being a big dividing line among these Democrats. I want you to here and this is going to dedicate. I'm going to dedicate most of the podcast do you hearing during a section of the interview that my colleague Kyung La who covers Kamala Harris for us did with Senator Harris in Davenport Iowa last night you will hear Senator Harris sort of rule out a middle class tax increase to help pay for Medicare for all remember. She's a co-sponsor of Senator Sanders Medicare for all bill and she is running on that in this presidential campaign but we're Senator Sanders says he's going to to help pay for that by raising taxes on everyone so that then everyone's healthcare costs go way down in what sanders cells as a net benefit for Americans Harris doesn't WanNA touch the notion of raising middle class taxes as a way to pay for Medicare for all so that's sort of one side of the argument. You're gonNA hear from her but also Joe Biden is out there saying that any candidate who wants to run on Medicare for all is for dismantling obamacare and that is. Something that clearly Senator Harris pushing back on as well in this interview with Qiong so for the next four minutes or so. Why don't you to listen to Senator Harris with King Law in Davenport Iowa last night on the topic of healthcare for what vice as president with former Vice President Joe Biden suggest is that not necessarily being clear with the American people and just this past week he was asked about ending private insurance as we know it and when he asked about the others the former vice president responded so far not because one hundred fifty million Americans are covered by private insurance are used to see what happens to those hundred fifty million Americans under President Harris well? It's the same as the millions of Americans everyday that Transition Shen into Medicare seniors shameless without any difference to their coverage in terms of access to to to health care it has to happen over a period of time. There's no question we would have to go from the current system into a medicare for all system and transition transition into it but the idea that there would be any substantial difference in terms of the healthcare that people receive. It's just not accurate so people who have private insurance would eventually have to give that up under your plan they would eventually be covered under Medicare medicare for all and they would still see their doctor and that's what they want. How long this transition take transition is going to have to take on the bill is four years? I think it's going to have to take more than that but to be honest with you and all of this done without a middle class tax hike without the middle class tax yes every trillion over ten years. There are ways to pay for it also understanding the investment that we are going to be making in a way that is going to re great benefits in terms of other costs the investment where in in American health and what we are otherwise paying as a cost for people not having access to healthcare and the burdens that places on systems across the board when people don't have access to healthcare and when you when people question that there is no formula for this that you are going to find money and magical ways is not realistic thinking how do you respond to that status close not enough off so we have to be open to challenging status quo so that everyone has access to healthcare and prices not the bird is not the barrier. We have to agree that what's happening right. Now is not not affordable too many many working families. It's just not affordable. One in five people can't afford their prescription medication we're looking at. got a situation where one four diabetes patients can't afford their insulin. We're looking at it at a situation where seniors are coming out of pocket as much as four thousand dollars a year to pay for their arthritis medication because it's not otherwise they can't afford it. We have to move to a system where prices not the barrier to access to healthcare. Joe Biden says that this is what you were suggesting missing an elimination of Obamacare. Is that accurate. It's absolutely not listen. I will put my record up against anybody as having been a a fighter for for the maintenance and the sustainability of Obamacare as Attorney General I I'm sure on the debates. I'm the only one who went to court to fight to keep in place all of the benefits of Obamacare but like President Obama himself said it he he used the analogy of it being like a starter home. It was a profound public health policy and shift it was incredible the courage that he had some many others to actually get it done and the and the wherewithal to get it done was profound but obamacare is making it to its but now it's about taking it to the next step so it is moving on from obamacare and making improvements on it and President Obama himself said that there there are improvements to be made so that's Senator Harris where you see divisions with Senator Sanders and with Vice President Accident Biden you also saw that interview by the way Senator Harris sort of going back to owning the position that yes there will be no role for private insurance or nearly no role for private insurance in a Harris version of Medicare for all which is where she basically was in January the townhall Jake tapper but has spent six months trying to damps away from it and explain it and not you know expose yourself to the political attack that she's for ending private insurance and then yet here we are six months later since all of that began and she was back to saying yeah no if we're Medicare for all there won't be a need for all this private insurance because everything will basically be covered under Medicare for all except basically cosmetic. Medic surgery only not trying to make that supplemental insurance some kind of fig-leaf that she's not getting rid of private insurance. She kind of more owned the position. I don't know if that'll be senator sanders satisfaction. I can tell see this much. The Sanders campaign is firing at both Harris and Biden Sanders top aide Jeff Weaver called harasses plan of doing this without taxes unicorns and magic wands apparently saying you I'll have to pay for it. Healthcare is not free doctors. Nurses have to be paid people be paying less under Medicare for all than they're paying now is is what weaver says but he's going after a Harris for shying away from the from the tax hikes on everybody including the middle class to help pay for Medicare for all now sanders who is going to be giving a speech later today going after <hes> or defending his Medicare for all proposal and sort of picking apart the Biden argument that this somehow means of the dismantling of obamacare which in fact maybe true but in reality. Let's say leaves a lot to be desired in terms of providing a full and clear explanation of of what would happen. This is Bernie Sanders tweet from twelve forty one PM today. He tweeted out a video and accompanying accompanying. Video is the tweet that says Joe Biden said people would lose coverage if we moved to Medicare for all that's absurd and he's quoting Joe Biden who did say that that people would lose coverage and in in fact in the video that the sanders campaign has put out it says Biden has been lying about Medicare for all lying Bernie Sanders accusing Joe Biden of lying about healthcare his team going wing after Senator Harris on how she's GonNa pay for Medicare for all you've got Harris going after Biden for not being genuine in his critique and acknowledging that Medicare for all would advance a step of healthcare <hes> as she sees it from obamacare not dismantle obamacare and you have Biden going after both sanders and Harris for supporting the idea that you can just transfer the entire system over to a medicare for all plan without disrupting people's coverage and and and using the notion that you are dismantling obamacare <hes> something popular democratic circles as a way to drive a wedge between him and his other candidates so this is full-on democratic engagement on the healthcare issue in a way that.

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CRUSADE Channel Newscast April 28th 2020

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09:44 min | 6 months ago

CRUSADE Channel Newscast April 28th 2020

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Texas has the country's second largest economy behind California but like much of the country has seen the crippling effects of prolonged lockdowns due to the spread of Cova Nineteen Texas has had the tenth highest number of Krona Virus infections in the country and continues to grapple with twenty five thousand two hundred ninety two cases despite this Abbot said businesses will be allowed to accommodate customers at twenty five percent capacity. But everyone's advised to abide by social distancing rules in Tennessee Georgia and Alaska restaurants began reopening to dine in customers with new rules such as temperature checks at the door and logging of customer information for possible contact tracing in Florida Governor Rhonda. Santa's lifted bans on going to the beach and says he's considering additional ease on lockdown restrictions. Over the coming weeks in other states the return to normalcy seems farther away and in some cases exceedingly more complicated York became the first state to cancel its presidential primary over Corona virus fears. The CO chair of the New York State Board of Elections said Douglas Kellner said the decision came after Vermont Senator Bernie. Sanders suspended his presidential campaign earlier this month. Which basically rendered the primary move? The Democratic Commissioners voted to remove a number of candidates who ended their presidential campaigns from the ballot including sanders that resulted in the cancellation of the primary. Because former vice president Joe Biden was uncontested. The decision by the State of New York Board of elections is an outrage a blow to American democracy and it must be overturned by the Democratic National Committee Sanders Campaign Adviser Jeff. Weaver said in a statement just last week. 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Should Bloomberg Exist?

The Forecast with Harry Enten

28:41 min | 8 months ago

Should Bloomberg Exist?

"Hello everyone welcome to the forecast fast. Kate Baldwin here with John Avalon and Harry Denton. Should so nice. Tens of thousands of Nevada turned out to vote early this week. Ahead of their state's caucuses coming up on Saturday. Democratic Party leaders there they are hoping that the early caucus turnout will help. Prevent the kind of vote counting chaos that we saw in Iowa which yes is still undergoing partial this results. It's like this mothers like reruns have cancelled right. Exactly season four So with all that mind we're going to dig into the Nevada landscape and the forecast from there in a moment We're also GONNA focus on Bernie Sanders. He is sitting on top. He is the front runner building a very clear and substantial national league. We're going to dig into his front runner status and also talk about what his trend up means for. Everyone else in the race But First six Democrats faced off last night in Las Vegas another Democratic primary debate but in some ways it seemed like a whole new debate stage. Not only with Sanders as the front runner for the first time but with Mike Bloomberg making the stage for the first time. Where shall we begin? Mike Bloomberg Howdy do do do you wish to assure you need to know is all. I think first and foremost all you need to know is the statement coming from the campaign right afterwards. Which was. He's got his legs underneath them. Forty five minutes. Look I look I mean they should have been so? They were trying to set expectations low and they should have set them lower Look the reality is is that the other candidates have had a lot of time on the campaign trail to a lot of debates to sharpen and hone their messages and he hasn't and he's never been particularly good at campaigning. War You know interacting with the press. What he's good at sort of management leadership and things like that but it was really starkly in display and I gotta say not only. Is it inexplicable how he wasn't better prepared for attacks that you knew were coming even if you're not the most charismatic cat you can come up with like memorize a soundbite to respond to something? He was not able or willing to do that. But the focus of the fire being on Bloomberg I think was strategically. Really stupid for the other. Democrats because they should have been focusing their fire on stopping sanders. Who's on the ballot? Nevada really come out unscathed relatively actually thought Bloomberg laid upon. Shawna with three houses. But we'll get to everyone in Vermont. Apparently has the Lakefront property. Apparently everyone I just looked nationalistic. That's not true What maybe it's true in Vermont. It kind of utopias up there. I don't know but you know he took a lot of incoming fire But he's not even a Bloomberg but he's not even on the ballot until Super Tuesday and so- Sanders avoided a lot of the scrutiny. He needed and deserved from the other Democratic candidates. So you know He. Donald Trump probably did the best of this debate. Wait wait let him play. Let's play an array of the attacks that Bloomberg faced for for everybody. And then Harry you can have your say. Listen to this goodie. I like to talk about who were running against a billionaire who calls women fat broads and horseface lesbians and no. I'm not talking about Donald Trump. I'm talking about Mayor Bloomberg. I actually welcomed Mayor Bloomberg to the stage. I thought that he shouldn't be hiding behind his TV ads. Let's put forward somebody. Who's actually a democrat? My Goodness Gracious. You know. There's been all this complaints. During the primary season during these debates that Joe Biden was not a particularly good debater. Joe Biden look like frigging CICERO. Next up Michael. Oh my goodness gracious I. I you know I'm New York. You can hear my voice. I remember Mike Bloomberg debating against mark. Green Fernando Ferrer Bill Thompson. He was never this bad. I'll tell you this much. And I can't believe for someone who is so analytical such as the former mayor of New York to not have the rebuttals ready for the obvious attack lines that were about to occur. It was stunning and also say the backup Mr Avalon. It was also stunning that. It seems to me at this point. It's like we're doing a replay of the two thousand sixteen Republican primary where everyone wants to be the second to the front runner who is coming in trying to essentially take over the party obviously it was Donald Trump. Who's the front runner in two thousand sixteen this time around it's Bernie Sanders and it's like? This dude is climbing the thirty percents. What are we doing? I'M GONNA call a jump ball. I know we just played some of the attacks but since as John was talking about they were to to clear. Lines of attack that Bloomberg was going to get one. You needed an answer on stop and Frisk policy policing policy in New York. The second one had He needed to have an answer for a slew of allegations of sexual harassment And comments that are attributed to him that he denies but also says he regrets some of the things that he said in his past the sexual harassment allegations as well as a nondisclosure agreements that have been signed with women in the company regarding sexual harassment claims and when it comes to the NDA's that was particularly brutal area for them. Let's assume that he has gotten some number of women dozens who knows to sign nondisclosure agreements. So Mr Mayor. Are you willing to release all of those women from those nondisclosure agreements? So we can hear their side of the story. We have a very few nondisclosure agreements. How many how many none of them accused me of doing anything. Other than maybe. They didn't like a joke. I told and let me. Just let me. It's easy all the mayor has do is say you are released from the non disclosure. Look yet another area where Bloomberg should have had an answer ready and and the answer is you apologize say look. I've made some inappropriate jokes in my time. I'm sure I'm not the only person to do that. But let's not cater I off the ball. Because if we create a moral equivalence between my mistakes and Donald Trump's daily assaults on decency and women We're creating the same moral quences as some folks tried to do between Al Franken and Harvey Weinstein. They're fundamentally different. Stop distracting from the underlying issue. Which IS DONALD TRUMP? That's the answer he could have given he didn't give And by the way he's in a tough spot on this stuff I don't want to minimize minimize it. But he could have had a deft answer a and his hand did not but is he done is us the is that was that was that the beginning and Bloomberg right. I mean yes disdain the dismissal gross cape but yes rusty yes he did. There's not a lot of time to get better before the next debate but Super Tuesday comes right and that's where he really enters the race. He's got a wall of cash and he's got thousands of people that he is hired in terms of organization. That's still is a real thing. That's a real thing. I mean. One bad debate doesn't negate all that so I was in someone's office last night and essential show remaining our nameless. We'll just say that person has a large office. And if you look there were four screens up one was CNN which was not airing debate. One was NBC. Which obviously was airing the debate and at the same point that Bloomberg was getting smashed to Smithereens on NBC. There was a Mike Bloomberg ad airing CNN. And this I think is just the perfect manifestation of this entire Mike Bloomberg campaign which is essentially yes. So what I screwed up into the BA- basically going to overwhelm every body through this ad campaign. He marched out three endorsements following morning after the debate. From my words on on don't listen to actual words onstage. Listen to my campaign. Maybe it'll work. I I I mean you know. Look Joe Biden's state atop the national primary posed for a very long period of time despite bad performance after bad performance. I want to actually address a couple of quick things first of all if there are any Bloomberg ads against this podcast. We have no knowledge of it nor control for it. Okay so I think there's just a good play good disclosure. Second of all look yes. It's an unprecedented campaign But last night he really showed ultimately you gotta be able to go from Mike Bloomberg Mono Against Donald Trump in a debate. And you got to inspire confidence so you can do that. And and that's that he's got to improve on his feet. He's suffering from the fact that he hasn't had the practice and he needs to like build up his ability to like interact with humans. And that means having interviews and debates and putting yourself out there in town halls and other kinds of things second of all I do think that Biden benefited from Bloomberg's bad performance I would not count him out. Nevada and I would not count them out in South Carolina. He I think he's had had a strong debate last night. I really did. I also think poop judge did but to your point about the Bernie Sanders. I I think the two thousand sixteen parallels don't work for a ton of different reasons. Yes it's an insurgent campaign appealing to the base of the threatens hostile takeover but two important differences one. The Democratic Party is still fifty fifty liberals moderates and only twenty five percent. Is You know roughly identifies very liberal. So I don't know where Bernie ceiling is but he has a ceiling and it's not fifty one percent Or Unlikely to be. The second thing is Bernie has risen in the polls. Exactly the right time if you're Bernie Sanders but unlike donald trump hasn't been leading this whole time Biden really has until really recently. Now yes. The center lane is really fractured for the Democrats right now. And that's maybe why you saw that bizarre. And unappealing sniping between pitches Amy Klobuchar. I don't think it did either fans even though I think they both individually had decent debates I think it just showed between those two that they realize very clearly that the other the other one is in their way and it was time to do something and and their stand right next to each other and that that interview had just happened a short remember the name. Obviously like he she didn't he hadn't secured the line though that definitely throws her in your heels. You gone me dumb. She doesn't like him. That's what it comes down to. Sometimes you just don't like someone and you think that could be vice versa. Yeah and he may not like her. I you know it tends to be when someone doesn't like me then even if I'm was neutral name I tend not to like them at by. The entire thing was hilarious insofar as that both of them combined. You know we're looking at maybe. Earning maybe five five percent maybe ten percent of their lucky of the delegates on Super Tuesday. So you know you have this sniping between two people who really at this point. Look like they're going absolutely nowhere. I don't know man I don't know I mean this is like such a different conversation that we had two weeks ago ever Iowa I I would not I. I don't I could see one of them. Overtake the other in money and momentum and I think it's a mistake and I think I think had actually a really good debate. I have another question that sort of fascinating because we're not talking about Warren. Warren had a very strong domestic slashing and burning and really lit folks on fire. Not just Mike Bloomberg other razor in hand to do that at jump. Who's the question she's got a fiery performance? I know one of the reasons. She's not getting talked about his. Her Path is unclear. Abkhazia burning a distant fourth in New Hampshire. But is it possible that she sucked some of the votes away from Bernie last night because she's fiery and perhaps seen as more elective? Maybe I mean look. Let's first play the attempts at attacks. Shirt on Bernie the front runner when he because everyone made such a choice to go after Bloomberg he left relatively unscathed. Let's play those. I'm actually less concerned about the lack of transparency on Sanders Personal Health and I am about the lack of transparency on how to pay for his health care plan since he said that it's impossible to even know how much it's going to cost ridiculous. We're not going to throw out capitalism. We tried that other countries tried that was called Communism and it just didn't work. What are you thinking right now? Harry I I'm thinking you know with Warren stuff that I think is so important is that what are we discussed before? What is it that kills campaigns? One out of money exactly. And how much money has she been raising a lot of money not over the past week and even since the debate performance that is the type of thing that can keep her going to type of thing that can take votes away from Bernie Sanders type of things? That could perhaps take back. Some of the votes she lost Amy Klobuchar because remember. They're both sort of doing well with women older women with college degrees so I am going to be very interested to see that but I'm also interested in terms of whether or not Warren is able to dip into that more moderate lane. In a way that Bernie Sanders hasn't yet been able to perhaps kind of ameliorate S- Some of those attacks on communism that Mike Bloomberg perhaps was trying to throw out there. I mean I think she certainly has more capability to reach out out to the center. We'll see how it does but look one thing that we've been talking about and hair you've been saying it every year it's trotted out as a fantasia and it never crystallizes but unless some changes dramatically between here and Super Tuesday we could be looking to co brokered convention and that changes. Everybody's calculus if they have the cash to k stay in until the so in a nutshell. It was fiery. It was chaotic. They're yelling at each other. Mike Bloomberg has a black eye Bernie. Sanders is skipping out of Nevada. And they're kind of sort I that one and then on to South Carolina because next week another debate and another primary okay. Let's take a quick break when we come back here. He's got the latest forecast coming out of Vata. Plus it is official as we've already set Bernie Sanders is the current front runner. What does that mean for the Vermont? Senator that is up next sometimes. Democracy is a birthright. Sometimes it is a gift a it's a fight and I'm asking you to stand and fight with me Michael Bloomberg on bringing our country back together. This election is a referendum on the meaning of America. It is about what we will tell our children what we did at this time. This election is about whether we recognize that all groups who have been marginalized excluded scapegoated or far worse rise and fall together and that is our best hope standing together rejecting demagogues who tried to seduce us by dividing US and uniting behind the only shield that can protect us our common values as American citizens. And as God's children that is what the selection is about and that is why. I'm running to repair the damage and to move our nation forward together. 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The commercial break event hairy needs to put them better clothes. Okay and our second topic are sweatpants. Really Pants they are not. He's not allowed to come to this taping ever again. If the pants do not have a zipper and a button well well. They're still working on the final tally in Iowa no joke on to the next caucus state which is Davita Democrat the Democrats caucus there on Saturday. But Nevada's doing something different this time. They are allowing for early voting or early caucusing. And we'll get to that but first let's talk about the lay of the land you've got Bernie Sanders Harry Nationally. He's the front runner but give us a lay the land what. It looks like in Nevada. Yeah I mean look. Here's the deal. Folks deals pretty simple. The polling Nevada historically has not been exactly fantastic for their caucuses. We've had a very limited supply of at the polls that we have had are not necessarily the highest quality. But I think it's fairly safe to say that Bernie. Sanders is a favorite so based upon the Nevada. Polling predictive nece over the past few cycles along with the betting markets. I have these odds for you. So Bernie Sanders has a fourteen twenty chance of winning. That's approximately seventy percent Joe Biden is in second a two and twenty shot. That's approximately ten percent Buddha judge a one point five twenty which of course is about seven point five Cent Club. Shar an style about a one in twenty shot each morning and a one in forty shod each and I should say this that Bernie Sanders. Chance does seem to be getting higher the closer we get to the Caucasus. He's had some favourable. Polls that have come out. But given reeducation of the delegates given the lack of holing given the predictive nece or lack thereof of the polling and pass cycles a fourteen and twenty shot is a seventy percent shot which means essentially. There's a thirty percent chance that Sanders does not win the caucus which means that legitimately what we say. That sanders is a favorite. It's by far from a certain. What about the Culinary Union not endorsing anybody in specifically attacking Sanders because of Medicare I? I don't understand this whole thing is i. don't not only I would definitely argue hurt sanders it also hurts everybody else. They didn't endorse sixteen though. Yes but there was a very clear foot on the pedal for Clinton in that. And obviously if you're against Sanders in sixteen year four Clinton and just everybody. The Culinary Union was powerful Union It represents most if not all of the restaurant and Casino in Las Vegas and is a very powerful union in Nevada exactly and I don't understand this whole idea of an anti vote. You don't get an anti vote in a caucus or primary in this country. You get a motive for someone and if you don't give direction you're essentially going to allow sanders to win. Say With thirty percent of the vote while the rest of the vote splits. The field and people aren't necessarily making the fifteen percents fresh also giving up your maximum point of power. That happens every four years and I don't understand why they're doing. I think the reason they did it was because they probably wanted to endorse Joe Biden based upon the fact that the statement from From the Union was when the state came out that they weren't endorsing anybody. The only candidate they did mention positively was Joe Biden but I think they were afraid that he couldn't win but I don I you. You can't play not to lose. You GotTa play to win and at this particular point. I'm not sure anyone's really playing the let me ask you this. I spoke with I spoke with Sanders Top Advisor Jeff. Weaver and asked him about something. That Bloomberg's campaign manager said today which when when Kevin Cheeky was asked can Bernie Sanders be caught at this point. He says you said I think this is pretty. This is pretty close to a direct quote. Which was I'm going to be honest. I'm not sure and it scares me. I asked Jeff. Weaver about and he was like that's presumption you know. I guess fuse if he was confident that confident he said that'd be presumptuous. But is that presumptuous? At this point yes right. I mean we're what I can't figure out the game that's being played with number numbers. People do best if if Sanders looks like they're the only thing standing behind sanders being the party nominee say this reminder to everybody. Bloomberg is on the ballot Nevada. So I'm just saying. Yeah I I mean look I think with the reallocation in Nevada given the uncertainty the pulling he could be caught. I think will. Obviously it's a separate question about whether he can be caught overall. Yeah but I I. Again tying this back to the debate last night it was. Almost you know as if people are acknowledging that he can't be caught and therefore the place for second place. Yeah I know lay in Nevada as well and I don't really quite get that because folks. There's no prize for second place. It's not like you get you know half the nomination or something or a quarter of the nomination you lose you lose and I just bottles of mine whereby it seems to me that everyone is playing just to stay in the longest and then lose. Eventually I look again. I think if if it goes to convention. I'm not can without anybody having the requisite number of delegates I'm not sure sanders can actually clinch. But Biden's obviously he set the expectation for second place. I think they're regretting that But he stills best positioned in South Carolina. What is the impact that Nevada hasn't right? We always talk about the impact. I Want New Hampshire Nevada. Have less but I will say this. We have a smaller sample size. And what we do know is that I do think that. Clinton's victory in two thousand sixteen in Nevada help set the stage for the blowout in South Carolina to the extent of the blowout. Right she won by four fifty points or so. And if you looked at the pre election polls they weren't anywhere near as favourable to her as you sort of saw at the very end. It was very clear. She had this boost. Momentum if Joe Biden is going to do what he needs to do in South Carolina. I do think he probably needs to come in second place in the silver state and he needs to close out strong there which is still a real possibility. I just say also that Bernie Sanders you know. Knowing South Carolina being South Carolina's should be like the worst single candidate fit four south. Now it could be momentum over. Choose that but that's always been part of the calculus well let's focus a little bit more. Bernie Sanders showers and you become the front runner. You get your own segment Relations to questions strong front runner status right now. And where is the front runner status? Come from I think comes from well first off? I think it's pretty strong Obviously when you're leading the field in the mid to high twenty s and no one else is at twenty percent. That's a pretty good place to be especially given fifteen percent threshold for Dell delegates even if they're assigned proportionally. I and it's pretty strong. Given thirty. Eight percent of the delegates are going to be assigned by Super Tuesday And if you're in Sanders position given where everyone else is in the field. You're aiming to probably rack up. Forty percent of the pledged. Delegates already assigned through Super Tuesday. Give him the polling right now. but I think that it should be pointed out that basically comes from the fact that look. He hasn't lost yet really. He's basically tied in Iowa. He wanted New Hampshire. He looks like he's GonNa win in Nevada and all of a sudden that's the type train that historically speaking has been tough to stop and given that most Democratic primary voters favorable view of them somewhere between seventy five and eighty percent. You can see why rewrite history. What the conversation having after. Iowa was the Bernie. Sanders did not win. That P booted each one. Well the votes have been recounted and recounted again and more counts and more and more counts. Well it looks like they've separated by like surreal. Numbers say that only because it really was a genius strategy for people to claim victory and just keep claiming it when it was that type multiple rounds of momentum from it. Yeah and look I I will say I mean you know th currently believe has more delegates than Bernie Sanders so for some reason. We're not talking about that if this delicate game. That seems worth noting Obviously Nevada and South Carolina are going to be a big test for Buddha judge. But look the the the the. Let's just be open and honest about this Most folks who have held elected position in the Democratic Party certainly swing state re elected representatives and swing district folks believe that Bernie Sanders would be a disaster for the Democratic Party in November. They believe it would re elect Donald Trump and it would hurt them down about to the extent where they would not win the Senate and they would lose the house that contrasted against the enthusiasm the far left fields about the exhilaration of jumping off a cliff. Before you hit the ground. Seems like something to consider how that's one way to put it that way to put it. That's a that's essentially how Kevin Cheeky putting it would just Bloomberg's campaign manager. Does it work for Mike Bloomberg if he's only running a campaign beginning to run a campaign that looks like it's only anti Bernie. I think the grew is that how I I don't know if it necessarily helps and I'll say this you know we had an NBC News Wall Street Journal poll that matched up Bernie Sanders and Mike Bloomberg. And what did we see if those are the two candidates remaining and you had to choose between one of Bernie Sanders Beats Mike Bloomberg by twenty points The way that you beat Sanders or the way that perhaps sanders gets denied. Even if he is the delicate leader is the contested convention. That we've all spoken about right. Winning forty percent of the delegates through Super Tuesday is not winning fifty percent plus of the pledged delegates through Super Tuesday and obviously you need a majority of delegates to win the first ballon the democratic side. We could enter this Weirdo universe. Right where it's pretty clear that Bernie Sanders is going to have the most delegates going into Milwaukee. But it's also clear that he's not going to have a majority of delegates going into Milwaukee new and hence why Bernie Sanders on the stage. Last night thought that the person with a plurality should get the nominees versus position from two thousand sixteen of course denied to me which is critical ally. But look. That's actually maybe the likely scenario and I say that with some incredulity because we always talk about a contested convention. We haven't had one since nineteen fifty two. But then it'll be about what's likely to happen is that some candidate will sneak through the middle. Triangulate between Bernie and Bloomberg Maybe someone in the race now and could even weirdly hypothetically be someone else Schmila Riche Minton now and that note I will cut you. That's a wrap for us today. Thank you so much for listening. Everybody please make sure to subscribe on Apple. Podcasts stitcher Google podcast spotify or your favorite podcast APP. 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The Eight-Hour Speech That Made Bernie Sanders A Household Name

NPR Politics Podcast

12:23 min | 10 months ago

The Eight-Hour Speech That Made Bernie Sanders A Household Name

"He there it's the NPR politics podcast. I must must call it. I'm covering the twenty twenty campaign. I'm Scott detro- I'm also covering the campaign and Timur Keith. I covered the White House. And this week we're going to take a close look. At the top four leading Democratic presidential candidates. We each took a candidate dove into the rises as a politician and focused on a moment in their life that was a turning point for them professionally or personally which is why. We're calling this series turning points pretty clever in today's Scott we're going to dive into Vermont. Senator Bernie Sanders Life. You did that piece so talk to us about how you actually decided on the moment that you chose. Yeah yeah one of the big things about Bernie Sanders is how consistent. He's been over the decades and you can. You can look at speeches. He gave as Burlington mayor or a congressman or a senator or presidential central candidate and they're like almost identical and there's been a lot of stories written about the early points of his political career so I was thinking differently and I was wondering during like what is the moment where Bernie Sanders went from Bernie Sanders Bernie Sanders national iconic progressive figure. And the interesting answer is that. There's a very specific moment. You know an exact time of day because it was this filibuster that he delivered on the Senate floor on December tenth twenty ten protesting. Oh testing a bipartisan tax. Deal and it went viral. It was big online social media moment at a period of time where those were a little more rare And it really elevated him to this leading progressive sometimes critic of the Obama Administration and really according to his top staffers set the clear path to the eventual wall. Twenty sixteen run for the presidency. I'm thinking back like this was before these long talk a thon on the Senate floor became kind of a regular thing. This was unique. Take Yeah that's right In the year since this is something that a lot of Republicans in particular have done. I'm thinking Ted Cruz. Reading Green Eggs and Ham at one point among other things things but this is not something that had been done in a long time when Bernie Sanders did it and it got a ton of attention and force the White House to respond to him and actually really interesting interesting ways all right. We're going to do something a little different than what we normally do in the podcast Scott. You've actually reported this story out as a profile so we want to take a seat back back and listen to it you already go on December tenth twenty ten president. Barack Obama was facing a lot of pressure. Democrats had just lost the House of Representatives tentatives and here was Obama about a month later asking his party for a major tax deal that would extend the Bush administration's tax cuts for the wealthy something. Democrats had ray-ban L. Bond for years. The issue here is not whether I think that the tax cuts for the wealthy are a good or smart thing to do that morning. Obama was on. NPR's morning edition defending the deal. The problem is that this is the single issue that the Republicans are willing to Scotch the entire deal for Obama had tapped vice president. Joe Biden to figure out a deal with Mitch McConnell. They reached one relatively quickly and several phone calls over the course of a single weekend. Republicans got the tax cuts. The Bush extensions plus cut in a state taxes. Paid by the mega wealthy Democrats. Got An extension of unemployment limit benefits and a range of other broader tax cuts a few hours. After Obama's interview aired Bernie Sanders walked onto the Senate floor. I think we can do better. Uh and I am here today to take a strong stand against this bill. At this point sanders had been in Congress for nearly two decades. He he had a long inconsistent track record but he hadn't emerged as a national figure that would start to change over the course of the next eight hours. You can call what I'm doing today. Whatever you want you can call it a filibuster? You can call a very long speech. I'm not here to set any records. I was sitting with him for the entire carried hours. That Bernie was doing his filibuster. Warren gunnels has been on sander staff for decades that damn the Senate floor. He was running point sanders needed notes. Gunwales handed them to him. There was a sign or chart that would help sanders point. Gunwales would send another staffer to fetch it. Gunnell says Sanders speech notes were relatively minimal animal. I would call it a refrain of about three four pages of how he wanted to set it up sanders kept returning to two points Over and over I that public opinion was on his side. The polls show us. The American people do not believe millionaires and billionaires need more tax breaks Sanders Sanders also made a point to talk past the other lawmakers who he likely realized. We're mostly going to vote for the bipartisan deal. He kept urging people to call Congress to complain if they make make their voices heard and said enough is enough the rich of guided all right now. The clock kept ticking and Sanders kept speaking. I started trending on twitter craft surged on the Senate website points the full mind to Senate offices jammed up. The speech was clearly hitting a nerve with progressives says it was something else though that made them realize they were breaking through in. The White House responded with a dramatic move the other guy. I don't even know if they had a topic in mind but they just rolled out bill. Clinton while Bernie was speaking Obama had brought the former former president into the White House briefing room to make his pitch for the compromise. The agreement taken as a whole is I believe the best back partisan agreement we can reach help. The largest number of Americans meanwhile on the other side of Pennsylvania Avenue Sanders kept going. This is a transfer of wealth. It's Robin Hooding. Reverse standards wrapped after eight hours and thirty minutes he could finally take a break so could gunwales. I was exhausted. I was mentally exhausted. Did I can't say I was physically exhausted because I was sitting down the whole time but the filibuster failed. The Senate voted overwhelmingly to approve the tax bill. Sander under speech hadn't seemed to change any minds still very soon. Gunnell saw things differently when you look back at that. I think that that might have been the spark that began to set things things off. The speech was quickly turned into a book which was a bestseller and Bernie. Sanders was suddenly a much more prominent figure another longtime sanders advisor. Jeff Weaver agrees that Brought Bernie Sanders to the notice of millions of Americans who didn't know who he was and I think it laid the groundwork for the success that he would see in the twenty fifteen in two thousand sixteen eighteen election cycle the next year. Joe Biden stood next to Mitch McConnell on a stage and defended the deal which we both believe has spurred the economic growth. We've got a long way to go but it actually not only was a compromise because it's a compromise that was useful for the economy. Obama did get those top tier. Bush tax cuts eliminated down the line. Still in the immediate wake of the Filibuster Bernie Sanders told. NPR HE was tired compromises. Might we have to compromise. Yeah maybe we do but you gotta wage the fight fight before you compromise. You gotta take the case to the American people and we didn't do that compromise or fight nearly a decade later. Sanderson Biden are battling attling for the Democratic presidential nomination contest that largely revolves around that same key question. All right. We're GONNA take a quick break and when we get back. We'll talk about how this moment. Event has rippled through Bernie Sanders career support for this podcast. And the following message come from K.. Buxbaum in support of the David Gilkey and Zaba ULITSA Demonic Memorial Fund established to strengthen. NPR's commitment to training and protecting journalists in high risk environments NPR's life. Kit Wants to help if you make changes that actually stick this New Year for how to do dry January to how to start a creative habit. We've got new episodes all month to help you start the year off right new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday. Listen and subscribe to life Kit. And we're back so Scott. Douglas about what you feel has actually changed in democratic politics since this moment since twenty ten. Yeah I think. The Democratic Party has gotten a lot more outwardly. Populist obviously populism has always been a threat and the Democratic Party but Bernie Sanders was really an outlier and the steel. A lot of Democrats were mad but he was really the only one taking taking this forceful stand. Only two other Democratic senators joined him in this filibuster to give him a little bit of a break and there's one moment that really just crystallizes all of this to me me. And that's when Bill Clinton is talking in the White House early on one of the first things he says I should say I'm really wealthy and that I'm going to benefit from this tax break and I just WanNa put it out there now. There's no world where you would see somebody saying something like that. Now you know another thing that struck me about it is like that speech. Yes yes it was about this tax deal but it was really about Bernie Sanders worldview. It was him laying out all of these ideas and themes that we've heard repeatedly on the campaign trail and there was obviously not room to touch on all of the points he made in the eight and a half hour speech but there are so many refrains that just like are central themes names that he talks about every single day and has been for years and it just all came together in this one moment. One thing that I didn't really get a clear answer on with a lot of people I talked to was I asked. Do you think this deal would happen today. Do you think it would get the votes. Had got in the Senate today and a lot of sanders supporters had absolutely not. There's IT's no way I talked to Harry Reid a lot reporting the story. He was the former longtime top senate. Democrat Minority Leader Majority leader at different points and I asked him. Do you think this still happens happens. And he says I don't think that the Bush tax cut extensions do end up in that final package if it happens today though I will say that last week Congress voted Oded on a number of deals that include tax extenders and other tax breaks and basically there have been some deals made that Ed. I'm not convinced that are all that different than what sanders gave an eight and a half hour speech about so Scott at the end of this piece. You outline a kind of central question in that I think we not only heard Bernie Sanders but we have already heard a lot about in this twenty twenty campaign cycle and that's this question about compromising or fighting. What is the right tactic? What's the right strategy for Democrats to take? How do you think that is playing out now? I think it's a defining argument in this presidential campaign. I hadn't fully realized until I started reporting this how central a role Joe Biden played in putting together this deal that Bernie Sanders opposed. But it's something that Biden is really at awed with Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders on in this campaign. The idea of cutting deals of incremental progress. It of course plays out mostly on the healthcare front. Do you totally Redo obamacare or do you build on it and Joe Biden's like a central argument of his campaign. Is that the Democrats who just want to fight. Who Don't want to compromise? Cut Deals are very vocal are very public but they might not be the majority of the democratic electorate and that's something that we are going to quickly get some receipts on when people start loading next month as much as for Bernie Sanders fighting is the answer and and not compromising. Values is the answer for Vice President Biden who I've worked on a profile of that sort of ability to compromise or the ability to bring people together her that's like fundamental to his pitch. It really is as you say. It's just a major contrast between the two camps in the campaign. All right. We're I'M GONNA leave it there. Make sure to listen to the rest of this candidate series. We will have new profiles in your podcast feed everyday this week and you can chat about them in our facebook group at in dot com slash politics podcast. I must much all it covered. Twenty twenty campaign. I'm Scott Troy also the campaign and I'm Tamra Keith. I covered the White House House and thank you for listening to. NPR politics podcast.

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Bernie Sanders 2.0

CNN's The Daily DC

13:24 min | 1 year ago

Bernie Sanders 2.0

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I'm David chalian, the CNN political director, and this is the daily DC. Thanks so much for listening today on the podcast Bernie Sanders. Two point, oh, the independent Senator from Vermont, the self-described democratic socialist is once again making a bid for the democratic presidential nomination. But he's doing so in a far different context in twenty twenty. Then he did in two thousand sixteen remember by the time. The voting got underway with the caucuses in Iowa, the New Hampshire primary and beyond. It was a two person contest. It was Bernie versus Hillary. And Hillary Clinton was the very embodiment of all things establishment everything that Bernie Sanders was running against. So it provided a very convenient foil for his insurgent message first of all four years later. Bernie Sanders is a bit more establishment since he actually has moved the Democratic Party. His his successful quest in the 2016 race by successful. I mean successful a building a grassroots army and a real following not successful. Obviously at winning the nomination. Bernie Sanders has become less of an outsider than he was in two thousand sixteen he fought hard after he lost to change some of the DNC rules for how the nomination gets accomplished super delegates. No longer the factor that they were for years ago. They don't get to vote on a first ballot. Just as one example never mind the policy positions that are now the mainstream for the twenty twenty Democrats such as Medicare for all everyone sort of checking that box or mostly everyone. That's all Bernie Sanders. So he has moved the party to him a bit more. So he doesn't quite have that same outsider status now, obviously he is still going to be railing again. Against the banks and Wall Street and corporate corruption, but he's not alone doing that. There are lots of other folks in that lane mo- most specifically Elizabeth Warren who's been out there since the beginning of the year six or seven weeks into this effort now where she has been offering a message that is not terribly dissimilar from Bernie Sanders is message the other thing. Sanders doesn't have this time around ease Hillary Clinton. It is a very crowded field. Never mind that there are folks competing for similar voters that may find new candidates with different appeals since it's not just Bernie Sanders offering slices of that message. But Bernie Sanders is also going to find that there's not as easily identifiable an example a an opponent as as Hillary Clinton was for his cause in two thousand sixteen. Now Sanders was on CBS news with John. Persson? And he said, well, you know, that the crowded field could help me one on one you really need fifty percent plus one, and you know, if it's a crowded field. He says maybe I only need thirty or thirty five percent. The math may be right. I you know, a very crowded field. You're going to be able to win some contests with a lower vote share. Then you do in a one on one contest. There's no doubt about that. But I think it doesn't account for the entirely different context. No longer can he just play sort of the dragon slayer, which is was part of his 2016 appeal. He's going to have to find other notes to play. And by the way, he's keenly aware of it. I wanted to hear just a snippet of Bernie Sanders announcement video to supporters this morning. Take a listen. We are running against a president who is a pathological liar a fraud, a racist, sexist xenophobic and someone who is undermining American democracy as Lee. Us in an authoritarian direction. I am running for president. Because now more than ever we need leadership that brings us together. Not divides us, something women and men black white Latino native American Asian American, gay and straight young and old native born and immigrant now is the time for us to stand together there. He is calling Donald Trump every name in the book calling him a racist. That is a little different than some of the other candidates. We've seen Elizabeth Warren takes a similar approach at times when she sort of does her rant on the president. And yet other candidates in the race, comma Harris, for example, she decides not to go down that route so much about labelling Trump all these terrible things. But instead puts her anti-trump argument in the larger frame of a need for truth telling among leaders, a clear contrast with Donald Trump is what she dries to draw there. But it's in less explicit. Sort of rant or rage filled. Terms than Sanders, or perhaps war now, you might say, well, perhaps they are tapping in more to the energy that is motivating and driving. So many Democrats right now to wanna make sure that there's somebody in there that can defeat Donald Trump and his willing to fight him as aggressively as he fights, and whether that's name calling or or what have you, but Harris makes a much more theoretical appeal to people not that it doesn't have an emotional attachment to it. I know doubt voters care about truth telling to some degree, but she really frames it about how everything that the founders of our country set up and all the ideals that the country is spires to generation to generation relies on this reciprocal relationship of trust. Which is based in truth telling that's her sort of anti-trump frame. It's not quite the same red meat that that Sanders offers up there in that bit. You just heard from his announcement video the other place where you're going to start seeing some differ. Princes perhaps between a comma Harris who is no doubt trying to be that candidate that can bridge different lanes of this nomination. Contest. Right. She is definitely out there and supportive of green new deal and support a Medicare for all wanting to do everything to court that activist base, but does not want to disavow or run away from the more corporate interests in the party or the need for somebody who can both speak to moderates in the party and liberals in the party. She's definitely trying to straddle that a bit more trying to target obviously as large of a vote share as possible. But there was a line that she says all the time in her stump speech that just hearing it today, I was up in New Hampshire at the New Hampshire institute politics. It was in a new context because of Sanders announcement today. So my ears perked up a bit since it was just a couple of hours after Sanders announced that I heard her say this line again, but she talks about how there are some people who believe. Leave that people who quote worked hard and gained success should be vilified. I don't believe that. I applaud that. So Harris clearly drawing a line here with the Warren and Sanders candidacies, which has full frontal assault on billionaires. And she says, no, no, no, she applaud success. So again drawing some distance drawing. Some contrast now Harris goes on to say in her speech. A quote, not all people in our country have equal access to a path toward success, and we are going to have to correct that. So it's not like she just leaves it at applauding billionaires for doing. Well, she clearly pivots to a message about the too many in America who aren't getting their fair share her version of the economic populism, but not so much taking on the billionaires and the millionaires that clearly or targeted in Elizabeth. Warren's wealth tax and Bernie Sanders even on his announcement day was bringing back into his speech to other things to note about the Sanders. Candidacy today part of the message he put front and center, and you can hear it there in the announcement video it's beyond just the economic or climate Justice as he talks about that's been central to his message for years, and it's not that he didn't talk about issues that deal with race or gender equality. But he put this attack on racism and sexism as main elements in his argument today, they will not as front and center in the Sanders campaign at the outset. And that's exactly something that Sanders is trying to address and quite frankly hill need to address if he is to somehow exceed what he did in two thousand sixteen the outreach to the African American community has something that Bernie Sanders has been focused on since the end of his last race. That's why we saw him on Martin Luther King day down. In South Carolina with local African American leaders there. This is somebody who understands that he lost that African American vote to Hillary Clinton, an extraordinary fashion in two thousand sixteen you can't be the democratic nominee. You can't make it through successfully the democratic nomination process without having the African American vote on your side in some way and so- Bernie Sanders is clearly going to need to work to address that. He's also already apologized in the last six weeks for sort of the metoo accusations the sexual harassment accusations alleged of his two thousand sixteen campaign he met with those accusers. He has apologized repeatedly for the way his campaign in two thousand sixteen handled these issues that there was not a proper HR process set up that also is something that he's going to have to address an adjusted as he moves forward in this campaign. It's why Jeff Weaver former campaign manager who won't be. Serving in that role this time. His now is senior adviser saying, you know, we were too white and too male in two thousand sixteen so the campaign structure, they'll need to change that. But then that goes directly also to the candidates message. And I think you heard a little of that adjustment. At the outset of his lawn chair. Sanders said he's going to build a million people strong grassroots army out of the gate here looking for people to sign up and get involved. He's already raising money at a clip. I think they were only about three or four hours into the announcement before the campaign announced that they had already surpassed the one million dollar online fundraising Mark, I think comma Harris in her first twenty four hours had raised a million and a half looks like Sanders is going too far exceed that. So obviously, he's got a an existing army of grassroots forces. That are ready to welcome back in the race. The question is is Bernie Sanders going to be able to expand. What he did in two thousand sixteen does he? You need to with such a crowded field. Slicing up so much of the vote. And how does he make adjustments to make inroads into some voter groups that he really was unable to his side in two thousand sixteen two point zero. If it looks and sounds exactly like the first version in two thousand sixteen it's hard to imagine. How it's going to be any more successful this time around if it adapts an unjust in certain ways Bernie Sanders as we learned for years ago is not somebody you want to overlook who has the real power. Just look at where the party is on so many of these issues that may be his legacy that he is shifted the the line here for what is acceptable policy for the left without fearing losing the middle. Of course, he wants his legacy to be as the forty sixth president of the United States of America that does it for this edition of the daily DC. Thank you all so much for listening. Tune in again right here tomorrow. Oh. 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