19 Episode results for "Jeff Link"
Episode 1: The Old Boot written by Charly Conquest and Ben Mullins
"In your wild things are important, but what about the things that aren't important anymore? Well, sometimes, those things end up here in dillistone. Whether shiffling live on their little jeff link ship. They find these things we throw away and fish them out of their see so that they can recycle them and put them to good years once again. And here they are now ready to work. Eccentric Young Pumpkins. ooh, remember so excited the hedge. He was a very lazy to fling. Why Cayman is time for paid yet Albert the ship Gardner. We who's being emmy coverage? Perch Lake freed nine very bossy Jeff, Ling, who keeps law and order on the ship? Come on our flings. It is time for work and Miss Katie. Who is just a little bit vain? I'm not feign. I'm just really really beautiful. Today offering are working in the kitchen, but there is something afoot whilst cleaning out in biscuit covered Freidan, got an unexpected surprise. Know how this is all just crumbs. This is not a proper way that things should be head. Chopping eating simple schizo gate I only had like one Brownie. Man Rip looks like someone DC we study kicks. The also pay to of eaten books. Whilst the poor hungry Jefflin's inspected the empty. Cup. One was notably absent. Miss Katie was nowhere to be seen, and she was often rather selfish. miscarry is the only jeff left. She must have snaffled off treats, but before free line could finish speaking Miss Katie had made herself known. This Fitch. What is this noise, Miss Katie you're causing quite sick commotion. But he's trump garden. Did like somebody. Throw the beds away, man. Somebody Trespass on your family's land. Everybody turned to look at where Katie was pointing to sure enough, poking out from behind have precious mirror with a long winding furry type of tale. ooh! Moss Kiddos in Warren Him. He's hiding. Kumala here loud. Albert picked up one of the boxes, used his gardening and pushed. Miss Katie Moore aside to scoop up the we beast, and there he sat in his little. See through books. Now you might call there. Be The mouse, but shifting the very small, and they live very far away so to then he was something entirely knee. Ooh, my grandfather wants battle these fierce opponents. They are terribly valiant. He needs to roam free. You can't lock him up fight for the right beastie. Vive will not let him loose. It is totally impractical hedge. He eat. All of your plants. Hetch Nipple Pad. Pumpkin he go to sleep in your long fiery half. Miss Katie well. He has already taken Alva. Her dressing table. Vin must find a solution I know what to do. We simply arrange your deal between Ms Katie and the beast, and whoever wins gets Miskitos. Now? He's done it. I. Think Miss Katie is in a huge strope I demand you through immovable on taught Zizi is. Valuable cleaning time. This simply must find a solution. Just in time that noise meant that nope, debt, which have been lost or thrown away on earth had been caught in the flings net now they had to work together to wine the night in and they'd found. For Now? They had to put that differences aside. Albert untangled the net American side with the object. It was rather large, but that's okay. Because ship is big as your imagination, and that's very big indeed. Very this late. Looks like a bit of a pot plant Ma. I. That's what it is. Part for now me. Is Aid. That's the jewelry stand wrecking. Put all the tens that my admires gift to me no! Is A tidy of a? Very Kentucky all these things. I think it looks like a huge munching man. ooh! Philly hedge then young Pumpkin Thetford honesty at the often did when he felt particularly important, my great grandfather, chiefly sill load Pumpkin, ask why the seven hot one of these. Let me. Tell you the story of where it came from own. Jeff Link battlegrounds and listen as young. Sat himself on story seat and got ready to tell the object sale. Won't there was a very rich fellow called Barren Benjamin. Won't all of the London the Kingdom. He was very rich and very important, and so on his feet he would wear great big boots to stump around in. A soon as people heard the sound of the boots, they would tremble because they knew the stump meant that someone more important than them was on their way. For many years Byron, Benjamin was very angry and so he would stump everywhere. Petit clump. Dome. and. People would out of his way then one day he saw a fair maiden. Walk me. Miss Katie and you mustn't interrupt. carry-on young Pumpkin he saw the maiden, and he knew he loved to right away, but every time he stumped around in the important boots. She got scared and ran away, and he became very lonely so one day when he was sitting at home in his huge munching on these huge. All by himself. He took one of the boots off. Then he crept down into the village, and because he didn't stump, nobody was scheduled. Run away soon. He got to talk to the other people and to eat with them, and how lovely policies with conspiracy lemonade and soon he got talking to the family. And and that was when he realized he didn't want to be alone. You wanted to live with all the other people together. They were more important than all his money in land, so we gave it all away to live alongside the others and forgot all about the stumping boot, because well just wasn't angry anymore. And because the boot was lost or thrown Avai, it has ended up here a now. We've gotta make use of it. Indeed Albert for that is the differing purpose. And, really into is our purpose to. It really would make a lovely jewelry boots. No Miss Katie hung her head, a little ashamed for sometimes even she knew she wasn't the most important. We all now, what what news it faulk just like your great grandfather would want what can. Live together including the little beastie. been the top of the box, the held one Jeff Lynne finger out pointed at the mouth, and addressed him standing uncommon living this booth lake, but on leave your share and. Eat all the biscuits. Way That's all weekend. The mouse hopped into boot and all the planes could see. He was very much at times, and now they have we beastie Pat. He was very glad to be part of that group and not feel on his own anymore. Everyone suddenly out Roth at tired. For it is hard to learn important lessons while somebody else's each of your biscuits, so they all yawned and stretched and knew that it was time for bed. Good Night Yum pumpkin. Get Ni- Talbot. The, morning, Lake, good night free line. Is a good night. Yeah Goodnight Miss Katie night. Nine good night head! Heads. I think the hedges sleepover. And Goodbye to you wherever you are hopefully next time you see a thing that you might throw away, you'll stop and see if you can use it to gain just like all friends Jeff Flake. The thing you use a game, we'll have a story to tell to. Goodbye. Both to ship was written mostly by me. Charlie conquest, and a tiny little bit by me Ben Mullins over this performed by Charlie and Ben and audio production was by. Ben. Thank you for listening to bottle ship? We hope you enjoyed it goodbye.
Monday, June 8, 2020 - The Christian Science Monitor Daily
"Welcome to the Monitor daily podcast. It's Monday June. Thanks for joining us I'm Klay Calling. And I'm Kendra Nordine Biondo. In the two weeks since the killing of George, Floyd, a yearning for social justice, has overpowered calls for social distancing. Some Marcher? Archer stressed that the pandemics toll has been just another indicator of inequity most of applied nonviolent tactics including in places far from liberal enclaves. The betterment of policing is a whole process. Some see small acts of police outreach as performances and counter with new video evidence of brutality. Some view police union says Blind Protectors of officers who overstep still Minneapolis. Police have banned choke holds, and the city council seeks to restructure the department. Seattle has temporarily halted the use of teargas. Talk of ending qualified immunity, which makes it nearly impossible to successfully sue law enforcement officers has revived, so has talk of training standards for the nation's eighteen thousand plus police forces. The head of the NFL which censure to star for kneeling and protest in two thousand sixteen apologized for having ignored the concerns of black players, and now supports players right to peaceful protest. The energy of persistent protests, maybe lifting voter registration. Now calls arising for service worthy of gratitude. We need police in our communities Atlanta Mayor Kisha. Lance Bottoms told CNN Friday. We all call upon them at one time or another. A day before she had thanked protesters for honoring Mr Floyd and others. There's something better on the other side of this for us. She said and there's something better on the other side for our children's children. Now to today's stories. Are First Story Joe, Biden, who has clinched his party's nomination may find his campaigns unity message appropriate to underscore at George. Floyd's funeral, but unity on racial justice will take compromise, and that remains in short supply. From the start Joe Biden has framed his candidacy around the concept of unity. The country is sick of the division. They're sick of the fighting. The former vice president said at his campaign kickoff in Philadelphia last year, but after a stretch of tumultuous events nearly unprecedented in modern US history, the task of unifying, the nation has never seemed more daunting. The pandemic has taken more than one hundred thousand American lives and sent the economy into a tailspin that has left millions on employed. Over, the past two weeks, the death of the Floyd at hands of Minneapolis police has sparked massive protests for racial justice across the country for Mr Biden. The volatile landscape is presenting an increasingly challenging balancing act. He is under renewed pressure to shore up support among progressives without alienated swing voters who had been moving in his direction above all he must somehow convince a fractured and exhausted nation that the problems it faces are fixable and that finding consensus is both possible and desirable. Biden is calming at a time when people are hearing nothing but nasty noise, and that juxtaposition is to his advantage, says Jeff Link an Iowa based democratic consultant. The story was reported by story in Glee in Richmond Virginia for the Monitor. Social. Media can spread positive vibes or dangerous lies, but who should be trusted to judge, which is which governments mark. Zuckerberg the work mostly lies with individual news consumers. This is the next installment of our global series navigating uncertainty. Social Media. They enlighten entertain, they inform. And They Abuse Skate inflame and mislead as well. FACEBOOK and Youtube have created an connected communities, but they have also propagated echo chambers of falsehoods that spread around the globe at the top of a finger. In the online world there is always more than one version of the truth. Anyone can publish anything, but with no quality checks. It is easy for people to get confused. The tidal wave of false information online about Kobe. Illustrates the problem. The ease with which far right political parties such as the AFDC Germany can manipulate voters with misinformation has shocked mainstream parties. In China, the government has spread fake news on social media to smear pro democracy demonstrators in Hong Kong. Do. We need gatekeepers to counter untruths. If so do we trust governments to be arbiters? Do we trust the people who run facebook and twitter? More and more organizations are springing up to promote media eighty or to offer it nonpartisan information sources. But in the end say most social media experts, it is up to each one of us to think harder and more critically about the news we consume. The story was reported by Lenora Chew in Hong Kong and Berlin for the Monitor. Global solidarity around protests for equal treatment has underscored common humanity. Perspectives can vary this report from South Africa Society reflecting on its own complicated continuing history of police violence. US protests over the killing of George Floyd and other black Americans like EMT Brianna. Taylor have inspired a cascading global reaction and here in South Africa with its own history of policing used to maintain white supremacy. There has been an outpouring of solidarity, but also sharp calls to look inward. A generation after the end of apartheid, violent policing of poor black South Africans remains common. The killing of Mr Floyd has put renewed attention for example on the April death of Collins Costa whose family says he was beaten and choked by soldiers enforcing the country's strict lockdown. As in the United States law enforcement here are rarely prosecuted for deaths or other acts of violence. There were more than forty two thousand criminal complaints against the police here between two thousand, twelve and two thousand and nineteen, according to the country's police watchdog. But just five hundred thirty one resulted in successful criminal convictions, according to an analysis by South, African investigative journalism at Viewfinder. The power of these institutions is the same across oceans, says the organizer of a Solidarity Vigilant Cape Town last week we all live in a world where to be black and to be alive is to risk your own life. This story was reported by Ryan Brown in Johannesburg for The Monitor. Here's another perspective piece for the Monitor Chicago born Arab world correspondent, the view homeward of roiling strife and demands for justice has been both disorienting and familiar. His experience has taught him to hope. Chance for social justice fill the air as does the faint bitter sour smell of tear-gas. Monitor correspondent Taylor Lux. cavs at twitch ready to move police. Rush in from every direction. The clubs rain down. Isn't Minneapolis this Cairo. This is a mon-. Taylor has covered dozens of such protests across the region. Now he sees these images replay in his hometown of cargo. It's as if his memories have been jumbled and reassembled like a puzzle gone wrong. During the two thousand eleven. Arab spring the American government was a voice of restraint. But what happens when that voice is silent, what happens when the chaos comes home separated by thousands of miles and Kobe nineteen restrictions. Taylor can only witness. His solace is that he is also lived the aftermath and there is good to be found. Across the middle, East a new generation infused with the culture of protests and speaking truth to power has come of age. While paranoid strongmen builds up their arsenals. Young Arabs have been armed with the knowledge. That true power is people power. Taylor, hold these lessons close. People, band, together, social. Risks Heal divisions can't destroy decency. Kindness cannot be killed. This story was written by Taylor lock in Amman, Jordan for the Monitor. You can find his full first person account in today's issue. Finally. However you feel about math. You might enjoy this to look at how scientists use mathematical equations to offer some paths forward on the coronavirus. We reached for a storytelling tool with which we've been experimenting illustrated panels. Why is the course of Victoria bid nineteen pandemic so hard to predict. Public Health modeling is complex and there are many ways to go about it. The most well known model is built by the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and evaluation. That model predicts that Kobe nineteen cases in the United States who steadily declined over the summer approaching zero in August. The model uses a technique called her fitting in which researchers try to find patterns from previous COVID, nineteen outbreaks in other countries and apply them to current ones, but many observers have called this model too optimistic. Other models relying more heavily an epidemiological knowledge. They make predictions using mathematical equations that model how diseases are thought to spread through populations. These models predict that the peak will decline more slowly. Part of the reason these kinds of predictions are so hard is at the model changes according to how we react to it. If a dire outlook prompts us to take stricter measures than it might in virtue of its own predictions become less accurate. That's because you are part of the system. This comic was created by Owen Oak Carol and Jake. Turcott for the Monitor. You can find it in today's issue Now commentary on Youth, Sports from the monitors at board. Since March when the United States went into lockdown youth sports have been a big time out the pandemic forced organized leagues to shutdown while some resuming in much of the US. They're not likely to reappear until late summer. If then can any good come from this lost time for team sports, it could. The Aspen Institute's project play suggests a number of ways organized sports could be extended to more disadvantaged youths. They include creating more local leagues that place fewer demands on families than travel teams. In. Tacoma Washington for example enrollment in the city's youth soccer league rose from two hundred fifty six children in two thousand, fifteen to fourteen hundred this year, a four hundred fifty percent increase. The secret the programs now take place at local elementary schools most within walking distance for children. That means parents aren't needed to drive kids to every game or practice. The rewards abuse sports are too great. Knock to seize this opportunity to improve them. That's a wrap for the news. You can find the full line for these stories in today's issue or at CS MONITOR DOT com slash daily. Come back tomorrow we'll have a reflection on protests and riots from a man who was a college student during the Rodney King unrest, and has intimate knowledge of what it's like to face off with police. Today's Christian Science Spiritual Perspective contributor shares her account of meaningful healing. She experienced during the First Church of Christ scientists annual meeting activities some years ago. You can find the column in today's issue, or at CS, monitor dot com slash daily. We want to give a quick. Thanks to our staff including today's audio production team Samantha Lane. Purpose, can jeff. This podcast is produced by the Christian Science Monitor Copyright Twenty Twenty.
Mon. 08/12 Hows the Republican Primary Going?
"<music> and welcome to the election right home for monday august twelfth two thousand nineteen. I'm your host chris hogan's today. The faint possibility of a republican presidential primary biden aiden says he misspoke about four kids. Jila brand urges americans to pressure mcconnell in the senate yang responds to a parent at a gun safety forum and a handy metaphor for understanding where we are in the primary race right now. Here's what you missed today from the campaign trail over the weekend. Anthony scaramucci made headlines suggesting that the republican party might need a different candidate for president in two thousand twenty. You may remember member scaramucci as that guy who was trump's press secretary for eleven days well that didn't end well though scaramucci continued to be trump's ally until this weekend anyway in a phone interview with axios scare mucci said quote. We are now in the early episodes of churn noble on h._b._o. Where the reactor is melting down in the apparatchiks are trying to figure out whether to cover it up or start the cleanup process a couple more weeks like this and country over party is going to require the republicans constru- replace the top of the ticket in twenty twenty and quote while i sincerely doubt the g._o._p. Is plotting right now to replace trump scaramucci. Does i have one good point hidden in there somewhere which is what's up with the republican presidential primary in two thousand twenty now. That is also a listener question that i've gotten so. Let's dig in to see how that is going right now. President trump officially has one major challenger in the republican presidential primary that is former massachusetts governor bill weld eld wild announced his campaign on tax day april fifteenth of this year. He is actively campaigning and often appears on t._v. Interviews to discuss his challenge to the president at though his odds of success are slim in q. to weld raise. Just under one million dollars compared to more than twenty six million dollars for trump. Weld is an extreme long shot to even make a dent in trump's reelection bid at the moment he's pulling anywhere from seven percent to about fifteen percent against is trump. Tho those numbers are fairly old given the most pollsters. Don't bother to ask about that race to make things worse for weld. Most of the republican primaries are are winner. Take all so even if weld pick up a few percent here and there he may end up with zero delegates at the republican convention and you know that's that well. Here's a clip of weld speaking about trump at a primary candidate forum back in late july in detroit listening. Donald trump is a raging racist okay. He's a complete and thorough going racist unless the republican party in washington expressly expressly gresley rejects the racism of donald trump. They're gonna come to be universally viewed as the party of racism in america america and a lot of them like to think that it's a political choice but it's not a political choice. It's a moral choice. So who else might challenge trump primary well former ohio governor john casick would be a reasonable challenger. He won the ohio primary in two thousand sixteen but later left left that race. When it was clear he couldn't win. Last year case suggested he was interested in a primary run against trump but lately he has walked back currently and author and c._n._n. Commentator andy vocal critic of trump said in late may that he sees no path to the white house for him given trump's base. Well technically says he's keeping his options. Options open k. six remarks do seem to put him out of the race. There were also rumors way back in two thousand seventeen case it might run alongside former colorado governor john john hickenlooper on what's called a unity ticket. That's a combination of different party candidates together as one political unit. This rumor was finally put to bed when case commented on c._n._n. Unquote the answer is no and quote plus. Even if the answer were yes. It's unclear exactly how combining case political capital with hickenlooper hickenlooper would be enough to move the democratic or republican primary by all that much you would need a much much bigger republican field enough to remove the majority jordan that trump will get in primaries and we just don't see that happening. So who else have we got well. There's just an image the lone republican in the house who called for trump's impeachment anti and he promptly left the republican party that didn't go over so well and is now an independent while i doubt he would run as a republican against trump. He has left that option open in public remarks as recent as july. It's more likely that if a mosh runs he would either be an independent or libertarian candidate since his odds against trump. Any republican primary would be quite low again due to the winner. Take all nature of those contests also people who just left a party typically don't run for president on its ticket having said that if he does run as a third party candidate he might have a decent shot at picking up a few percent nationally in a general election though he would not win but that's still an option open to him and it's kind of an interesting one given the difficulty of defending his current house seat after leaving the republican party okay. Let's keep digging around around looking for some candidates oddly enough vice president. Mike pence does sometimes come up as a possible republican nominee for twenty twenty. If you look at prediction markets it's these are essentially legal betting sites that attempt to predict the outcome of things including elections pence is in the mix and right now. He's number two behind trump. Although he's he's eighty six percent behind trump for obvious reasons if pence somehow ends up at the top of the republican ticket that's not gonna come through the primary process it would be because trump dropped out pen stover's president and then promptly ran again using the power of incumbency at that point the competition for vice president might be pretty interesting but if you want to spend some time on way out there speculation just read a book or watch a movie or something now there is a shortlist of other republicans who are often mentioned and you can even bet on them if you're willing to take ninety nine to one odds as possible contenders the best bets there and i say this with all due caution because best here means well well slightly more than zero. I think there are three top possibilities in that list. We should take note a former south. Carolina governor nikki haley texas senator ted cruz cruise and arkansas senator. Tom cotton of those cotton does facing election for his senate seat in two thousand twenty but it seems unwise to ditch that in favor of an extreme long shot presidential raise cotton is relatively young so his strategy maybe to simply wait and i would say that smart cruise narrowly won his texas excess heat in two thousand eighteen but he's got it through twenty twenty four so the time to make a move would-be then when you don't have an incumbent president running haley is in a similar situation relation though she's currently taking a break from politics after serving in the trump administration. It's most likely we'll see her run. In two thousand twenty four if she ran today the likely effect attribute take off a whole bunch of republican voters and potentially hurting her odds in a twenty twenty four primary so that's where that stands it seems incredibly unlikely unlikely that there'll be serious republican presidential primary for the twenty twenty cycle and the current front runner against trump bill weld is polling so far behind that. I don't see him picking up any states now. If for whatever reason trump does not in fact run in twenty twenty then yeah we're facing a whole different picture but given the time scale gail here given the fifteen months from general election. I would not bet on it and given the you can literally bet on it. I recommend that you don't <hes> <hes> look. It's monday stressed out. You're back at work. You probably hadn't home right now and if you're anything like me it is not just work. That is bugging you. It's politics. Maybe it's family stuff. It's whatever you've got to deal with. In your day-today life. Well listen up. I have been using an app called called simple habits to help me deal with stress recover when i'm feeling cranky or nervous and just to get me back on target when i drift we all drift and simple <unk> habit truly helps. It's a meditation app but don't let that scare you. Meditation is another word for an organized way to calm yourself and i think we all need that right now. Right eight simple habit is free to use hundreds of sessions right in there for free but there are thousands more in there many of them on super specific. Things like say the need to calm down. We were about to get plane or give a speech or go into a big meeting. I have personally benefited from this app and so has my wife. We are using thing it every day and this is not me reciting. Somebody else's script. This is me saying yes simple. Habit is actually really good and it is worth your time. I want you to go to simple habit dot com slash ride the first fifty listeners who sign up for a paid plan their get thirty percent off. Gotta use that link. It's the first thing in the show notes again that is simple habit dot com slash ride to get the special offer and let them know you came from this show join me and my family and enjoying the calmness. I'm nick that simple habit can bring so one last time the first fifty listeners simple habit dot com slash ride are good at thirty percent off start today especially if monday monday is really bugging you on saturday former vice president. Joe biden commented on that story about his comments last week he had been notably silent. I went about this whole thing for a few days but you know horde of reporters following you around a yelling at you can eventually solicit a response in an article for politico. David ciders gives gives us the details quote. Look i misspoke by told reporters at a gun violence forum in iowa. I meant to say wealthy. I've said it fifteen times on the spot. I explained it at that very second. I explained it and so the fact of the matter is. I don't think anybody thinks that i meant anything other than what i said. I meant biden's remarks came after the former vice president said during an event in iowa on thursday poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids. Then quickly added wealthy not kids black kids asian kids that same day biden flubbed a line at the iowa state fair providing ammunition president donald trump's supporters to jeer him on social media era when he said we choose truth over facts and on saturday biden made yet another gaffe telling reporters that kids from parkland came up to see me when dan i was vice president biden did meet with students following the school shooting in parkland florida but that shooting and the subsequent meeting occurred in two thousand eighteen long long after biden left office and quote so what you need to know right now about this whole biden thing is we're in the midst of a media narrative that is laser focused on biden and what they mean by that is biden made a very notable gaffe and also variety of other mini gaffes right around the same time and that fuels anybody whether it's a reporter or the opposition party or whomever to go ahead and essentially list out the mistakes and connect the dots that's what creates a narrative which then further drives the the news and now any new puzzle piece ainu mistake or misstatement or gaffer however you wanna put it gets slotted into this narrative. Now it'd be frank. We've had this narrative since the beginning of biden's candidacy and even before it the intensity is cranking up as by pushes into iowa had us followed by a zillion zillion tv cameras so be aware this biden story is nowhere near over and i would suggest it is really just beginning over the weekend in iowa senator kirsten gillibrand made an appearance at a candidate forum des moines on the topic of gun violence. It was sponsored by moms demand action as well as every town for gun safety and it's leading up to a rally this coming weekend. Moms demand action is gearing up for so called recess rally on august seventeenth eighteenth to pressure senator mitch mcconnell to call the senate back from recess to vote on those two gun. Safety bills already passed by the house. We discuss several times last week so here's a clip from gillibrand at that event listen. If every one of us spends the next four weeks speaking out using social media to be i heard tweeting at mitch mcconnell saying mitch call the vote mitch call the vote. He could call us back into congress. Today we could pass universal background checks. Today we could ban assault weapons ban large magazines. We can have a federal anti-trafficking law today so it's your voices that matter so keep steve speaking up to not be silent. Just keep demanding it. I promise you your voices matter. Only time it's ever worked in our entire history. When regular other people like you demanded <music> now at that same event andrew yang also gave a statement and his was far more emotional. This one's a little bit longer about three minutes and i want a caution you if you're driving or otherwise occupied. There is some raw emotion on display coming up in about thirty seconds so you know that's going to happen. I think the audio audio here speaks for itself but i do want to note that in the video which is linked in the show notes. Yang is clearly distressed from the very beginning he reaches for a glass of water while now the question is being asked in a move that i recognize. It's a way to stop yourself from crying. It doesn't work and his tears are visible throughout this clip. It's rare that we see this level of emotional display from any presidential candidate particularly this emotion the sense of empathy vulnerability and shared loss loss. I would call it essentially grief. We have sometimes seen that from joe. Biden who has grief over the death of his son and we have seen that on the campaign in trail well for today. We're talking about yang so look. I've seen plenty of candidates be fine expressing anger about this issue but to see a candidate responding like this expressing pressing grief in such a raw away is notable. He also manages to express a policy proposal despite his grief which is the idea of a so-called personalized penalized gun. Those are weapons equipped with technological solution that should prevent them from being fired by anyone other than specific person. This could be a fingerprint sensor answer. It could be a grip strength sensor or some kind of combination or something else. There's a lot of ways to do this but yang offering here a technological solution as a kind of middle middle ground to reduce certain kinds of gun related tragedies all right don't love playing clips about gun violence but yang's emotional and honest reaction to this. The question is something special. I think you should hear it listening and the questioner a mother in the crowd speaks. I my beautiful four year old daughter della. I was struck by a stray bullet march two thousand eleven my son. My daughter's twin brother witnessed what happened that day. She died two days later. Firearms are the second leading cause of death for children and teenagers in the u._s. But four point point six million american children live in homes with at least one gun that is loaded and unlocked and hundreds of them gain access to a gun and unintentionally shoot themselves or someone else every year as president. How would you address unintentional shootings by children. Thank you for that. Can i give you a hug is that'd be appropriate doc six and three year old boy i was imagining it was one of them. They got shot and the other side get. I'm so sorry the biggest this downside running for president for me has been. I don't get to see my family very much so i get pictures facetime see pictures of my boys just that scene that she described. I'm sorry it's like very very affecting you're right that. When there's a gun in the household you're more likely to have a child get shot or the owner get shot then to kill. Let's say an intruder into the house. Those are just numbers. Those are just the fact so one of the things we can do and it's very hard to get into americans arkins houses where all of these guns are but if we can convince americans that personalized guns are good idea then again if the child gets a hold of the gun and they can't do anything with it then it just becomes a very heavy expensive prop and that's something that we can push one of my proposals is to actually help gun owners upgrade their guns to personalise guns free of charge because if we can do that then again if you're a gun owner the gun owners her parents donors understand that in some of them are concerned so if you say hey we'll upgrade your guns for free when we can do that like you can upgrade the guns for free. Now help make kids safer and our homes. I'm so sorry you had to store should not be possible. I'm so sorry last today. This is a quick one in a politico story last week. Democratic strategist jeff link a very helpful metaphor for understanding where we are right now in the democratic primary season so right now the iowa state fair is kind of topping the news but maybe asking okay fine but where are we right like in the overall timescale of this whole thing where there is today relative to the endpoint. Is it early. Is it late. What is the deal with the primaries to make things more confusing. We don't have a debate this month. We do have a whole bunch of upcoming debates. We're not even sure when those will happen after the one in september so it is helpful to have somebody gives us a sports metaphor to figure gear out the big picture reading here from politico. This is the end of story tasha correctly and christopher caught a lago and here they are quoting jeff link quote quote. The state fair is like halftime. We've had the first two quarters of the game. We have the third and fourth quarters to play still if you're a fan of the n._b._a. A nothing happens until the fourth quarter he said i wouldn't be satisfied being ahead at halftime and quote so if you are basketball fan and i hope that makes sense to you right now we spent all of last week discussing the polls essentially show five top tier candidates with three biden sanders and warren at at the very top but it's halftime right now so there's still a bunch of time on the clock here especially for people who are already on the board and have some money in other words anybody who makes this next debate is still very much in the game even if they're only winning strategy involves a series of three pointers well that is it for one more episode of the election ride home. I have been your host chris gan's. You can always find me on twitter at chrissy teigen's again. I want to welcome those of you. Coming from the this american life podcast and i hope you enjoyed the show. It comes out every monday through friday for our longtime listeners. I spent the weekend trying to clean up a spider mite infestation in the indoor portion of the yarden. Now this is a long and losing fight but i'm trying so far the might to manage to eat most of our african violets. Fortunately i've got a cloning project underway. No kidding graham trying to clone a nineteen year old violent that i bought at a grocery store that day i moved moved to portland so the potential clones are sitting and watching me right now under their little glass domes and we'll keep you posted if they actually sprout as always thanks actual listening and i'll talk to y'all tomorrow.
Wednesday, January 22, 2020 - The Christian Science Monitor Daily
"Welcome to the Monitor daily podcast. It's Wednesday January twenty second. Thanks for joining us. I'm mark seven. Feel I'm Molly Jackson last Wednesday. We hoped we were doing the responsible thing you might have seen seen the video. We published on members of the deaf. Blind community crafting a language that speaks to the remarkable talents and perception of the world. It was genuinely moving thing when it came to identifying the community however are style guides pointed us to the term deaf hyphen blind all lower our case even though producer Jinghong Peng's conversation with the community suggested the term was outdated too many deaf hyphen. Blind wind is medical language that dwells on their condition and it seeming limitations instead deaf blind as one word with a Capital D. The and be speaks of their ability in agency. The word choice was more than style. It was a statement of how we saw them them last week. We chose the old term this week. We've switched my first day in journalism. WanNa one my teacher told us we would decide what was news. We were the future information. gatekeepers that vision is all but gone. You all have Google now. What the Monitor can be is a partner working with you to bring its unique gift to your doorstep and that means being a partner with those whom we report onto and listening to the best of what they have to say deaf-blind as one word and capitalized speaks to who we are says Deborah Visser con administrator of the Deaf Blind autonomy? The facebook group. It's our cultural identity and we feel it. Best represents our community now to our five stories which look at the uncertainties around Bernie Sanders a path to reconciliation Columbia maybe and music empowering African women take our first story the Senate impeachment trial has brought together two men with stark stark differences in personality and style. But they do see eye to eye on one thing winning when Donald trump became president and he and Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell were wary of one another to summon trump camp. It doesn't get any sloppier than Mr McConnell now finishing finishing his sixth term in the Senate but over time they've developed a mutual respect through experience passage of major tax reform and the confirmation nation of a record number of federal judges including Supreme Court justices. President trump has learned that Mr McConnell's advice is worth listening to. Both men are all about winning whether in elections or legislation and confirmations or now in ensuring that Mr Trump survives an election year impeachment trial with party. Unity intact this hard-fought alliance now faces a major test in the Senate trial which began in earnest Tuesday namely well. Mr Trump continued to defer to Mr McConnell or will he muddy the messaging at this high stakes juncture in his presidency. The President I you think sees Mitch as a class. A operator says Chris Ready C. E. O. of the conservative newsmax media and the longtime friend of Mr trump in an email. Now he's also a pretty frank guy and I know the president appreciates that candidness. This story was reported by Linda. Feldmann in Washington for the Monitor Order Could Bernie Sanders win the Democratic nomination and then get routed in the general election shen because he's seen as too liberal. That concern lurks then again. Twenty sixteen blew up the political playbook with just twelve days until the Iowa caucuses and a dominant front runner yet to emerge what one-stroke many as an unlikely outcome Democratic nominee Bernie Sanders is suddenly looking like more of a possibility Mr Sanders pulling strength soliciting anxiety within certain quarters of the Democratic Nick. Party not unlike the reaction many Republicans had in two thousand sixteen to another party outsider. Donald trump the worry a far left nominee could backfire for Democrats. I do believe that senator. Sanders is too liberal to defeat an incumbent Republican president especially especially in incumbent president with good economy and a huge bankroll says Marshall Matt's a registered Democrat who worked on the failed nineteen seventy two campaign of George McGovern but like president trump Mr Sanders promised up and Washington has attracted a passionate group of followers the ironic similarity malaria between Bernie and trump is that they both have clear messages says Iowa based Democratic Strategist Jeff Link Bernie is incredibly clear and consistent John and authentic and that is powerful in a time when people are cynical about politicians. This story was reported by story inkling for the Monitor in the Middle East faces a crisis and Egypt is no different to many young people too few jobs jobs. So the country's autocratic leader is trying to craft a new persona. That's engaged fatherly. And a little bit hip. Nine years ago. Disaffected Young Egyptians launched a revolution that overthrew longtime President Hosni Mubarak like the current president and he was a career general. Who presented himself? As a nationalist leader today President Abdel Fatah el Sisi is presiding over the fastest growing economy economy in the Middle East construction everywhere. An investor confidence is returning but more than half of Egypt's population of one hundred million is is under the age of twenty five and even as GDP has risen so to his poverty. Youth unemployment hovers above thirty percent mindful. The past a restless presidency is pushing programs to meet the new generations needs housing healthcare youth forms and jobs. He's using these programs to project a fatherly persona that of a concern leader providing for young Egyptians hugging young people in front of cameras pushes which is the point home. I have one million youth trying to enter the labour market each year. They want a home they want to marry. They want to raise children Mr. Cc recently told a group of foreign reporters. How many jobs would you need to create? Could you do that every year for a million people this story. It was reported by Taylor luck in Egypt for the Monitor in Columbia. An ex combatant in the country's decades long civil war has been elected to office. It shows a path to reconciliation and the hard questions that come with it. He motorist works. The sweltering streets here like celebrity. He's been famous for decades known as the singer of the Revolutionary Aleutian airy armed forces of Colombia or FARC but last October he made headlines for something new he was elected mayor of tobacco. Oh the coming one of the first X. FARC combatants to win an election by popular vote three years after a peace agreement. Columbia is still struggling to emerge emerged from years of conflict. Mr Toys is a symbol of the nation's broader tensions as demobilised guerrillas seek to build a place for themselves in a society that still sees use them as criminals. Let off easy. The peace accord made big promises like reparations for victims and reduced sentences for ex-combatants who tell the truth as Mr Torres takes office this month. His success could be a broader for the nation. I'm never going to leave the path of peace anymore. He says I know the risks. This story was reported by Megan Jetski in Tobacco Columbia for the Monitor. Music can be more than a form of entertainment for the group lays Amazon de Freak a collective of women's musicians from Africa. It's a tool to empower women and speak out against violence. As in many parts of the world and Africa. Violence Violence against women is widespread. That's why in two thousand fourteen Valerie. 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Meanwhile in Iowa ... Plus: 'A Very Stable Genius' with Phil Rucker & Carol Leonnig
"Good afternoon from New York. I'm Chuck Todd and this is the Chuck Todd cast today. The Senate continues. Its impeachment hearings. We're GONNA have opening. Statements finally getting underway to house impeachment managers essentially with about seven eight hours per day for the next three days telling their stories of what they believe. The president did illegally and why they believe he should be ousted from office but in the business. I'm calling this. PODCAST is what we call a little bit of counter programming You might remember. There's this thing called. The Iowa caucuses. They are less than two weeks away. So we're going all in on on Iowa if you want impeachment news. That's my buddy Kornacki. He's got a wonderful article to podcasts. Go listen to it if you want Iowa listen to this one my guest jeff link. He's he's doing something unusual this year. He's not working. For a presidential candidates a longtime democratic strategist and Iowa and he is actually fronting a a nonprofit if it group that is trying to bring attention to rural America. It's called focus on rural America. They did some polling to the most recent poll that is out there. Jeff Link knows a lot about first first and second choice while that matters and he believes his poll later in the show be joined by Phil Rucker in Carolina there the authors of the new book. That's gotten the president's attention it's called a very stable. Genius Richly reported well source book with a lot of new detail about the president's behavior office. And what those around him did or did did not do but first jeff link and he's a little hesitant probably being so public on here I think he thinks his poll slightly better than than and sellers. But find out out. We're GONNA find out well and gets high grades. There's no doubt about it. That's right. You're a new student. Good luck excellent. We'll check thanks. It's really good to be with Hugh and We're looking forward to having you out or you hide out I I. I'm hoping to be there more than just a night. it is it is All of that's up in the air for all of us Main I'm going to have a team of people there. I'm a lot of it. Depends on where we are in the Senate trial and where duty calls on on that front. But it's It's let me ask you this. How far less than two weeks away? How much has the impeachment trial trial? been like a wet blanket on Iowa I. I don't think it's been that much of a wet blanket. I I I honestly don't think people are tracking the impeachment impeachment. Trial Minute by minute. I people here. No it's going on but You know honestly whether below zero the last three days. That was more of of a topic of conversation than the impeachment trial largely. Because I think people believe McConnell has put the fix in on this and it's just a matter of how long it's it's GonNa take before McConnell does what he wants to do anyway It's unfortunate for the senators that that are stuck in DC and are able to campaign out here in New Hampshire But I I don't think people are really kind of on the edge of their seats with this one all right Not You and I have. I've I've been a source on multiple caucuses I we've been through four or five of these competitive Democratic caucuses in one way or the other Compare this one to eight four in two thousand and sort of you know I. I think this feels more like oh four than any of the others in in sort of the last couple of decades. But you tell me Yeah I swell and I'm old enough to remember eight. I started Working on the first Joe Biden for president right about eight hundred eighty eight or eighty four very similar so yes. I'm glad you brought up eighty. Yeah I think bigger field so I think it feels like Like eight in. Oh four in in Oh eight. There were a lot of candidates but essentially at this point. It was all about Obama Obama and Clinton and Edwards. Let's not forget it was a genuine three way race. Yes it was. It was but this is different because you know we have Ford five way race. You think there's four four different potential winners or not and I do. I think it is just as plausible for any of the top four to win and as it is for any of the top four to get fourth. How about fifth and is in his at behind? uncommitted or behind me Well you know we. We asked in our poll whether if your first choice was not viable meaning not at fifteen percent of the people that attend your precinct What will you do will you Caucus for somebody else we go uncommitted stay uncommitted or will you go home and Seventeen percent said they would stay uncommitted committed and that means that we could have a number of precincts that elect a delegate to the county convention as uncommitted. Well it's not the uncommitted as one one before people forget Jimmy never won the Ivankov. That's right. He finished second right He did what the new rules on. UNCOMMITTED I WANNA fill people in unlike previous years. You could sit on committed when you got to your precinct. And if they even whether whether the uncommitted grouping made threshold of fifteen percent or not and you could still leave it this time the rules indicate that uncommitted gets treated like a candidate and if you hit fifteen thresholds been made and you can't lose support. Yeah Yeah it's it's a big change And I- in any group. If you're if you're with a candidate who's viable you can't move and you know in the past If you were say you were with the with the candidate with the most people in your caucus sometimes you would send Some of your group Group To another campaign so that they could get a delegate Right to keep your your opponent the most dangerous opponent from getting the extra trudell at you. You send people to somebody else and that sort of gamesmanship is gonNA be Either more limited or it's going to be a little trickier to execute cute. Let's let's go through things a little bit here. The top four candidates who's who of those four who's got the the the least amount of statewide coverage if you get my drift right. I my guess is that both Bernie and Biden have wide support support. Meaning they'll probably be make threshold in the most precincts. Is that a fair assessment. Or Am I over looking Warren here. A little bit I think Nick Warren probably makes threshold in in most precincts as well and Pete is a little uneven I gotta I I think all four make threshold in a lot of places you know. There's you think that fifteen is a hard floor even for Warren I look. I'll be honest I have. It feels like warns bleeding support. Well but remember. She had the strongest organization the earliest they have been everywhere. They have strong relationships. CBS throughout the state with their precinct captains and with their organization. So I remember being told that about Dick Gephardt two thousand four. How did that work out? Well I I would. I would put the Warren Organization up against the Gephardt Organization in. Oh four Any Day of the week They they really have done a nice job. And you gotTa give them credit had it for that And so I think that's that's kind of sustained her even though she was down in our poll from where she was in September. She's still in second place she's she's still above viability I think I think she's GonNa be a factor. Amy Yang Steinmeyer. Yup I assume amy has basically her strength is probably I assume north. You know the closer to Minnesota a stronger she gets. I think so and I think she'll do pretty well in western Iowa. Okay spent more time there than most right. She's done the floods she she made. Yeah upstairs she she made a big deal out of being. Hey this is like the iron range. Yeah that's right. And she did the ninety nine counties so she's she's been everywhere where although she hit like twenty seven counties in two or three days in December so everybody knows that trick. Yeah okay that graphic but I I gotta tell you I was. I was having coffee with somebody. This morning. who is expected to be a warrant supporter in she said. Yep I think I'M GONNA end up with disclosure. I think I think closure could Have a good night on On Caucus night to mourn register endorsement. You know newspaper. Endorsements mean less and less all the time per democratic primary voters in certain communities still care about certain newspaper endorsements and is that still the case with the register You know the registers GonNa have an impact in centralized. I think it state-wide imprimature is is not what it once was. I mean you know back in the eighty eight cycle or Ninety two or two thousand I think thank statewide. It had more of an impact didn't really help Edwards and four. I mean Edwards basically went from fifth to second. I think it was a surprise. Yeah when when it's when it's news. I don't think they're going to endorse two candidates. I bet they pick one But I think It'll be interesting to see I. I wouldn't be surprised if they pick closure or if they pick budget I had somebody. That's what I keep hearing is that it's down to those two somebody tell me that it really depends ultimately what the editorial page team thinks their mandate is meaning. Are they there to protect Iowa's place in the process. And if that's that's the case that's one type of candidate and if they're there to represent mid Westerners then that's perhaps another rationale for who they pick pick like it of it as someone said to me who's been through the process with the editorial going through the interview it's clear saving preserving Iowa's status as an important first state matters a lot to the editorial board and that will have some impact on who they pick. Well it'll be interesting to see what their rationale is You know I think the register editorial board will be in a similar position to a lot of iowans right now. And that is the really conflicted. what we saw in our poll Five or six candidates. Seven candidates have extremely high favorables You Know Net plus sixty plus sixty five The Iowans like this field and I think that's part the reason why they're having such a hard time settling on a candidate. is because that they're satisfied with the field they like what what Each of these candidates is saying A and and how they're representing themselves and I think that's why the reason that they're satisfied with the field or they like all these candidates but they haven't been convinced either one any the Mar- the are the answer to be trump. Well certainly the the premium is is if someone could look in the mirror and say oh well this is the candidate that can beat trump in November. That candidate would win by twenty points And and we don't know exactly. Who is the best candidate wanted to take on trump? But I do I mean you cannot have favorables that are plus sixty for everybody and say that they're not satisfied with this field that's a fair their point. So Bernie and Biden are feuding now over or having what I would call an old fashioned Democratic primary fight Manufactured action debate about social security benefit. Right I mean. I'm sorry I've just like my God nineteen ninety-two Call Bill. Clinton Paul Songas went there debate topic back. I look to me as a reminder that even though people thought Bernie and Warren shared supporters. I had plenty of people. Always tell me maintenant. In and out Bernie and Biden share more first and second and always have because of their because of the older more traditional Democratic voters that I don't know about that I think I just think the sanders base is so much younger longer than the Biden base That's why don't think there's as much overlap. He's looking for somebody because it's his numbers went down the day Biden got in because there was a whole bunch which of older Democrats who had just were sitting in burning that. That's the that's that's one explanation. I've got yeah I don't know I don't know about that. I mean you know the interesting. The thing is I I think Biden will be strong. You know throughout the rural parts of the state but remember Bernie one almost all of Western Iowa in two thousand sixteen In part because he advertised in that Omaha media market and Secretary Clinton did not But it was remarkable. How many any western Iowa states Bernie Sanders one in twenty sixty over performed in all rural but that was the same way hillary over performed in rural Markets Against Obama. I wonder if we're over reading that. A little bit Bernie Bernie seemed to benefit from the same thing Hillary benefited from from an OA against Obama. No well it benefited in terms of running against the establishment. Well a little in that. Look when Obama became the front runner and all of a sudden Hillary's winning the West Virginia Primary and the Kentucky Primary and doing well in an Arkansas right. I see Z.. And my point is is that when Hillary started becoming the front runner all of a sudden. It's Bernie over performing in West Virginia and again sake and doing well in. Your Idaho caucuses caucuses and things like that. And I guess the question I have is. What was Bernie's western Iowa support for years ago was an anti? Hillary was a pro burning. I think it was a combination. I that's that's why he was at forty eight four years ago and he said twenty four twenty five or twenty something in that range now I think half of his support support our is just ardent Bernie fans and about half of his support last time was anti Hillary. So what do you make of this fight over. Social Security is just just Bernie looking for a way to to to just try to kill Biden. Now well I think he doesn't WanNa have a fight with Warren I. I don't think that helped him in the debate. That certainly in our poll It it didn't really help him or Senator Warren in that debate So I think he wanted to sort of turn the page and talk about something different Better in a fight with Biden and try to see if the warned stuff fades. Yeah and I think just kinda reestablish that that he's GonNa take on the establishment and Biden represents the establishment. Right now. I I told you. Six months ago at in the final ten days the following was gonNA take place for Joe Biden. Two of his top four opponents would be taken off the trail and the president of the United States would get himself impeached in his obsession with trying to prevent Biden from getting the nomination and we are now in the middle of set impeachment. His opponents are off the trail. If Biden camp finished first or second Ioannou does he deserves the nomination well L. I think he's in a strong position and we were talking about this. As as badly as trump wants to to take Biden out wrote and obviously he went to great lengths with the with the president of Ukraine and in a variety of other ways to to try and dig up dirt on on Biden Obviously that's that's the subject of this whole impeachment I think everything that he's done to try and take down. Biden has built Biden up. I think what trump is doing is reminding Democrats that trump is most concerned about biden. And that is why Biden has been remarkably Tripoli resilient throughout this entire year again. We talked about this before people are trying to figure out who is the best candidate to take on. Trump and trump is telling Bellingham Biden. Because I don't want to run against this guy Even the doesn't that benefit them more though you know at the start of this podcast you said something. Well if voters could could know for sure who who was the best candidate to go to beat trump that candidate would win by twenty. Donald Trump is is shouting from the rooftops. I don't want to face Joe Biden. and He's not up by twenty. Why is that well? You never know when to believe trump like every day is a is a trail of lies like my rule on trump is. Don't listen to what he says watch what he does. His actions have been paranoia paranoid over Biden. Yeah he seems very paranoid over Biden. Here's the last Point on on Biden in trump. You know who knows what his motivation was for taking action against the Irani General But we we did ask Iowans you know now which of the candidates regardless of who you're supporting which of the candidates is best equipped to handle the US relations with Iran and other global hot spots and Biden was chosen by forty six percent of caucus tenders. The next closest was fourteen and I just think that's a huge advantage for Biden and puts him in that that's why I think he's in a strong position here in the final We can have people got twelve hundred people to show in Cedar rapids last night. You impressed yes. Yeah the crowd sees generating are pretty remarkable. I think getting a thousand people in town like Takura is even more impressive than twelve hundred cedar rapids. But you know to to get crowds. That size is that there's something there and you can't discount and the buttigieg organization I would say Rivals the Warren Organization. Most of the young. It's most they've got probably more Obama veterans than anybody right in fairness seems like it. Yeah Yeah And he's going to be really strong in the suburbs and I think the suburbs are continuing to be more important in terms of delegate allocation than they've ever been. Do you think soft suburban Democrats are GONNA show up this time because they don't come to the caucuses right Well but as you know the the delegate allocation is set two years in advance based on the the Democratic primary for Governor Governor and they see they came out for Fred Hubble And so they're they're going to have a more weight than they've had in previous caucuses Regardless artless how many people show up on on caucus night just because of the way the delegate allocation works now. Of course we haven't talked about the fact that that I I I would Democrat Party and even Ip you know why. Because I'm the one who has to explain this to the to the audience when five hundred two different people claim victory in Iowa or three different people three. Look I was GONNA ask the question this way. Would it be a bigger upset. If the same person leads both categories. I mean I this point. I think I'll be shocked if there isn't one person who had more people show up and one person who won more delegates well because of this rule change that we talked about before where you can't move if if you're viable yeah I think that the raw number on realignment and the state delegate equivalent will be the same the order will be you think the order will be the correct. Yes I there could be reminded Wayne or two but within reason yes and I think there could be a discrepancy between the initial raw vote and in the final results just based on the process but You know because Biden may not be ahead in the initial raw vote. But he's he's the number one second second choice according to our poll so if he gets more people to to come to his side after their candidates not viable on that first division of you know that that could be a discrepancy. But I don't expect a discrepancy between the second raw vote and the state delegate equivalent before he dropped out. I know. The booker team was in talks with both Yang and club in some form or another potential alliances. Things like that. Although they were less inclined to work with Clarkson's at the time they saw each other is in each other's way more so but at least a Yang conversation was being had What are you here? What's the likelihood of some sort of gamesmanship and I throw naming amy and Yang because the two of them are going to be the ones that are going to be probably sitting at your eight to twelve percent? You know and they could in different times help each other if it's is necessary. Do you buy that or does a Yang and Biden do business together or something like that. Well you know those are always great the theories but my experience like in a caucus on Monday night is people are pretty independent thinkers and You know you can say well. The campaign really wants you to join up with the Yang Group if if you're in the club. Hr Group but you know these people have a mind of their own and and maybe they were really committed to closure but maybe they really like Pete Buttigieg as their second choice. or Joe Biden I just think it's hard to pull those things off Maybe the campaign staffs will reach an agreement but execution on caucus night gets really really challenging. People to judge will say he was more dean or Obama when the caucuses are over. That's a good question I construction. I'm being a Simpleton Simpleton listeners I think he's more Obama Than Dean by a lot I had somebody say to me he's benefit. He's doing well with older voters. Because he's what older. Voters want millennials to be because his shirts tucked in shirts tucked in and comes as hair. You know well my every day. No hipster beards. You know my Sister and brother-in-law are in their seventies and they pay attention attention a little bit You know they're not junkies on this stuff And I said to them a month or so ago I said who do you guys like you. Who are you going to caucus for and my brother-in-law says I like the young guy and it's what my my mother who's who's a little deeper young man? Yeah yeah she goes. All the older people screwed it up. Let's let the next generation do it. Well and that. Actually their theory was a little different. They said look we're in our seventies as we have no business being president United States. We want somebody younger. That's interesting but it has to be frustrating to the crowd that they don't do well with younger voters. Well I mean look the the Iowa caucus attender skews older. So you know if you have to pick a group. I I'd rather have older supporters supporters than younger supporters. At least in Iowa Before I let you go and hopefully I'll be out in Iowa long enough for I'll make you do to make you do some actual television but there you go let me ask you this. Am I going to care about Iowa November. How competitive is it gonNA going to be? Yeah I I think so You know what makes it competitive. Why is it going to be a lean red state? Come election tonight in your mind. Well there's a couple reasons in in granted I understand that Iowa Went for trump by nine percentage points. I I know that Texas was closer than Iowa ecksteen one of my favorite reminders. Yeah it was a wipeout here but number one. I think these candidates the you know have have brought hundreds of staff people to every corner of the state and they have energized Democrats around the state like we haven't seen for a long long time and I think that carries over into the fall a number two. You know while trump has signed this this trade deal He continues to choose oil companies over Ethanol producers and corn growers. It's having a huge impact like ethanol plants or closing all all over the Midwest and here in Iowa had has it had an impact on his base yet. Because I I've seen the numbers it's one of those things that you're like when is when is reality. Going going to have an impact on his base on this issue. Well I I was. I was talking to a Republican friend of mine about this last night. And you know he was citing statistics about how how farmers are still sticking with with trump and I said well look if you're registered Republican and a farmer you're going to stick with trump if you're a registered Democrat and in a farmer you're probably not for trump in the real question is are you know are there a few of these independents Who are the ones that swing back and forth? I mean remember We have have about a one point. Five million people that vote in the in the general election we had about one hundred and fifty thousand people that voted for Obama twice and trump once That hundred and fifty thousand is the is the group that really matters and and I think they're open I think they were late. deciders in two thousand sixteen eighteen. I think they felt like they Were not given good options. They had they had two bad choices for president. They weren't drawn to trump. They were forced to trump. And if if we if we are not condescending towards them if we lift them up and we listened to them and say hey look Trump promised to change Washington in In all he did was changed the occupants in in the in the different jobs in Washington. And it's still working for the wealthy. It's still working for the big IT companies and while the stock market's doing great are are your wages going up. You know. There is a message that we can deliver in a place like Iowa in Wisconsin Wisconsin and Minnesota and Michigan That can get us back on track. Final final prediction for you raw turnout on caucus night for for the Democrats. The record was oh wait. I believe to thirty nine. Yeah Right. That's the number My set the over under two fifty. You'RE GONNA take the over under okay so you think it's going to be right around the Oh eight number I do. I think it'll be just under. Oh eight but pretty close. Why don't we call it a firehouse primary at this point? We're getting because I know our friends in New Hampshire don't like any any kind of hint whatever we can't even use lake. It's hard for us to use paper without. I'm more concerned about who's going to carry the caucus to bliss Georgia. No I'm kidding carrying what you guys have a caucus and to bliss if I pronounced that correctly a oh yeah. That's the Dixville Notch. The first results are coming in uh-huh Americans abroad. It's sweep for sanders brother. Thanks for having me on. This is great. I I hope I don't know what I what I want to get out to Iowa. I kind of wish we could put one of these two things in suspended animation either. The impeachment trial Iowa's so that we can join me cover for them both correctly house. Well I have good news for you. It was zero for about three or four days in a row here. But it's a Balmy thirty four today and it's supposed to stay this way for four four or five days so who knows even bought extra chapstick. Jeff Blake Buddy all right. Thanks Chuck Kentucky Pause here for quick break. You're listening to chuck todd cast from the Bronx. Hey it's MSNBC's Chris as this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with sports. Writer Coward Bryant and talk about the Astros cheating scandal which is wild. Why Colin Kaepernick still isn't playing in the NFL? And the intersection of race and Sports in Donald Trump's America. That's that's this week. I'm why is this happening available now. Wherever you're listening to this podcast? I'm joined now by two the best people to understand what is happening in this White House. It's The Washington Post White House Bureau chief. Philip Rucker National Investigative Report Carolina. Their book is a very stable genius. Donald J trump's testing of America. It's out mouth has reporting for about two hundred sources close to this administration and and it reads like How do I put this? I feel like I had to relive the last three years And it was almost in machine gun rapid fire and it was a reminder of how much is conditioned. Walked me through the anxiety that you had six months ago. When you're I know you're you're supposed to be done really close to done and you know impeachments going to have it? Come on I want to know. How much panic did you have? What do we do about this? You know check the impeachment inquiry in the House got going just as we were finishing our final draft but I going back and forth with our editor. We wrote an epilogue about impeachment that we think holds up pretty well today but we did have thought about g should we. Did you think about waiting wing shortage. Yeah and we just realized you know what we have so much rich material enrich reporting from these three years. Now's the time to tell the story. We can't wait another year We wanted to share with the public. What we learned already and I think the themes and patterns in the book are so resonant right now because it's the same stuff that the lawmakers are talking about any emory but had to be like what are we doing this but we were on pins and needles shore to see what was going to happen in the fourth year of this presidency but in a way in a weird way many of the scenes deeply reported and found out new sort of dropping retail's about many of the scenes that we were learning these things? They presaged where we are now. The president views himself as the best decision maker but he also really basically puts himself I according to his aides. He's not going every morning morning. Hey how can this help the country according to these senior advisors. He's like how does it help me and what what better example of. How does it help me than his July? Twenty fifth call with the Ukraine president. Sandra Hey can you do a favor and it's really a favor for him. You know what's striking here. I spent a lot of time looking at him before he became president. Every story is the same. Every story is the same. The people are different but his behaviors. The same it's about him It's about the matter what he said before. It's what matters is what he says right now whether it's a negotiation for in Atlantic City or with Zoe let's go you're exactly right. And there's a little snippet in the book about a flashback. Relate to and trump was a redesigning plaza hotel in New York. He's a real estate. Mogul bought the hotel. Wanted all the bathrooms redone and he goes into a rage With one of his executives from the trump organization about the tile he thought the tile looked cheap deep who he he says who the hell pick out this tile and she of course said Donald you're the one who picked this tile and approved that but it was the same kind of rage the same kind of white in the face face And language that he would use against Jeff sessions as attorney general the same behavior in the White House but just last week Carol. He supposedly raged against as our secretary. Sr Why am I so popular on healthcare. If it really reminds me absolutely. It's your fault it's always somebody Elsa. By the way that's another anecdote would have been in here. Had It happened six months ago. But there's of a moment that presages that to chuck I mean the moment when he is raging raging about how in the World John Kelly my chief of staff. Could you have embarrassed me and made this terrible decision about me. Not going to this war memorial. Oh morial in honor of fallen American soldiers in France in Paris. Actually the president is the person who decided not to go to it. He didn't feel like going. It was rainy John on Kelly told him. Look if you don't WanNa go here's what we can do. But when the images came out and John Kelly is standing there and looking presidential and trump is getting criticized. It's all John Kelly spot. It's always somebody else's fault and and it was this way on day one of the administration and it's that way now Trump does not accept blame for His own failings and struggles and is looking to to blame others. And that's why there's been so much turmoil in the administration so many advisors coming and going up and down and and the rise and fall of their fortunes. What kind of debate did you have on the title of this book and I say it because I read it as a snarky title? I know the tweet we we know what it is. It comes across snarky word. It defines the book for people before they open it. I think you know Phil and I both came to this title almost at the same exact moment. We wanted to use the president's words and take that mirror back on him and and stress test. This definition he gives himself are reporting. porting is anything but snarky. We know. That's what I buy point. The title is a little snarky. I would disagree but mostly it's because what we're trying to do is show the mirror her and we show the mirror through more than two hundred people who've spoken to us and worked at his shoulder day in and day day out. They don't agree that he's a stable genius. Some of them are frightened by him. Some of them describe a cabinet. That's constantly playing whack-a-mole trying to knock down bad ideas ideas that are dangerous for the country security we just had to hold that mirror up and If people WANNA take it that way they can. But that is not I would add some of the People around the president say he has genius qualities it even though they don't view him as a very stable genius in his own words but his ability to communicate with us with the public ability to understand what his political base greater to wish him. I don't know if I would go genius. There's an intuition that he had he connects. We gotTA give him credit. I'm glad fill added that we've got to give the Guy Credit. For what a master he is. I I remember reporting this one scene with Phil where it was about. The moment Don mcgann who became White House counsel is asked to go see this candidate. Donald Trump of course everybody knows who Donald Donald Trump is the guy from New York. The Guy Bills Hotels but he goes to see him thinking very suspiciously. This guy can't really be all that but when he sees him with white white middle class working class voters angry about the country leaving behind the disdain. They feel for politicians. He sees a rawness that really works and it still works for Donald Trump today. Look that's something. He learned from his father and how to market to those folks. They were trying to the people. He appeals to or the people that his father was selling homestore. Yeah yeah people rich ways I mean he. He learned in that sense. He learned to talk to these working class. Blue Collar rising middle-class folks working middle class from his dad sunlen apartment. Yeah that's a really smart point check in it and it's The court his political appeal. It's the reason why he can go so into you know. These parts of Pennsylvania needs pockets of Michigan and really connect With working class voters and and upset the Democrats as he did in two thousand sixteen. This this book includes so many anecdotes that are clearly from people that have worked for him or currently work form. How does he staff a cabinet in a second term? Have you guys. I'd have to say that was like I cannot second question. Is You know first of all it. It's amazing to me how there's basically half half of the cabinets unfilled in some form if you count the top three at H. Agency. We're probably at some sort of thirty to fifty percent are in some form of acting nominated or some form some of that and we destroyed our shoulders now about this but how does he handle a second term with the APP just personnel. I would I see where you're going and I. They have the same questions sometimes. Especially because all of the volume of people who he has driven out or have thrown up their hands in resignation like General Mattis and he didn't have the best and the brightest applying in the first place. Think about think about some of the people he has drawn to his side former attorney general. WHO has an agenda and a philosophy about a unlimited executive authority and people who want judges that are conservative Who are going to clamp down on a woman's right to choose who are going to make sure that religion is respected even in public settings In government settings there people with philosophy and they view this train in as a train they should jump on because they can get some of this executed under Donald Trump. What's the most startling? What would you say is your most startling anecdote in here? That has gotten the least amount of attention. 'CAUSE effing Moron is one. We've all been through when you have a bunch of great new Dell Tillerson Mattis and all that stuff a through line through the book is Muller Investigation and the Russia pro and we've done a really deep reporting taking you inside the room with the President's interactions with his lawyers and with lawyers who he tried to to hire and and failed to hire. There's one scene where he's interviewing a lawyer. He was really drawn to an excited about having on his team and told him you know what If I smell that jail L. Stale smell. I'll give you a call meaning if I think I'm going to go to jail I'll give you a call. Wow and then all the way up through the fight that Bill Barr had with Robert Muller at the end remember remember bar put out that summary of conclusions about the report. Will we take you into the room literally on the phone line. When bar is talking to Muller Muller is telling embar how disappointed he is with with the letter the summary that barred put out and how much he thinks he had failed To to accurately convey this report and concerns he had about the media narrative that was taking form about the Muller investigation that the the detail of that conversation that dialogue has never been a reported until now. I think that those are great examples. I think another one is An it's unfortunately repeated several times which is just the way? He ridicules and derides the people who work for him and who have been the most loyal one that's never been reported before is the way in which he would literally mock His National National Security Adviser H. R.. McMaster when he walked into the room the guy would walk in the room. He did this he would do everything he could to advise him and give him all the options when when other people were trying to stop him from having options and when he walked in the room trump would puff up his chest and say I'm general McMaster here to give you your briefing Sir and people who are watching. This were felt a well of pity for a general active general. This was this is why it was frankly it was. It was probably a mistake to name an active channel to national security adviser and an expert and intellectual expert. But at the end of the day when you're active active duty you have to sleuth manner chief chief absolutely does the president. I think I have my own views on this but do you think the president knows most people around him. Don't WANNA come and don't respect him but they suck up to them anyway so interesting I think he knows to some degree degree but I don't think he allows himself to fully acknowledge it and they don't just suck up to him. They find so many ways to praise him they they go out on public and say whatever he wants them to say whether it's true or not and I don't think he fully understands and appreciates the extent to which He's as the subject of ridicule. Sometimes but I do think he he I get the sense. Carol that he gets a kick out of the fact that he's made these people suck up tone and he because they don't want to know. This is chuck. Your questions are a really good and I feel totally ill prepared because I'm not a mental health health professional I would say stuff. I wrote the good anything that could I would. I would fail a lot of people around him. And we're not the experts at the people around him feel that is his narcissism. Sense of EGO is so strong that those things may be walled off. It's it might be it it it might be. I mean I think about some conversations I've had with them in you in. You're just it's on one hand. It's very lucid. And aware of people around him. But there's also Izzo Paranoia. I think Phil Right that he always he both assumes everybody has to suck up to him and maybe they will turn on him and he's gotTa be careful that's right eight But I think you were also onto something when you said he gets a kick out of seeing these people go out. He likes bow. Before I think of Superman to I you know what I mean. It's sort of like he's like Ada. Ito's you don't like me. Respect me but Geno Kelly. You've gotta salute me. Yeah man wants him to get on your show and say whatever descript gives them and he loves it. He's the president and can make them do that. Hey you know what about this moment with the archives. You've gotTA wonder who at the National Archives was so afraid of Donald trump that they were willing to toss they're they're important. I Dunno pillar and legacy as keeper of history. The National Weather Service in Birmingham. But but that's why we pause here quick break. You're listening to Chuck Todd cash from me. We are back. How would you assess the relationship with Mike Pence? We don't know Fillon I how they feel about one another but what we know is from being inside the room with these senior aides who spoke to us and broke their silence for the first time to to tell us about it that they view pence almost as a wax figure in many of these settings silence nodding enabling and very very very rarely saying anything that would counter the president's wishes or wants and Pepsi's Advisors as irs will say look. The vice president keeps his counsel to the President Private. He doesn't speak up to the president these meetings but he does tell the president things One on one and offers advice one on one. But there's there's not a lot of evidence of that and in our reporting we almost never came across a moment where pence challenged the president accident or or even tried to steer him in a different direction. That usually fell to the other advisers. The John Kelly's the gym Madison's the REX Tillerson's to to steer the president to a different course. It was the last time you saw Karen Pence Donald Trump in the same room. And how often does that occur. Well we see it. From time to time at these rallies including the kickoff knock down in Orlando several months back but very rare and she's almost never and White House events. I think it's one of the extraordinarily under reported stories Our next book. Look there's been some anecdotes about her her feelings about Tim Alberta and so did they A A book by an Indianapolis Star reporter about my Benson and that that that she is never fully been his on board with him on with the president on characterize take it certainly the implication whether that's true or not she's never said on the record it's interesting because there seemed to be a couple spouses with concerns like that you know we didn't interview her but we heard a lot of stories about rex. TILLERSON's wife having a lot of pause about the way the president was behaving a lot of concern about what. Where was this taking her husband exactly in reading? We had an interesting conversation among some staffers. After reading. All tillerson parts of this book. And there's a clear to me like Tillerson has a lot of maybe the second thoughts whatever it is about this decision. He made to join the cabinet but the president ironically probably made a mistake in not picking Mitt Romney because Mitt Romney probably would have been somebody somebody who would have saluted the flag and kept his mouth shut even if he didn't like it probably would resign with Madison it type of thing But wouldn't it. You might not have been as vocal pushing back as as tillerson clearly seemed to be. That's an interesting point. I think that's right because Romney wanted the job. One of the Joe and he he wanted the stature. He wanted to do something to to be a part of that. The political debate here and do something for the country and I think you would have It kept doing it. I mean he didn't get the job but actually trump would have had a more a more malleable not the word. I'm looking for a more a secretary of state. That would have not agitated. Privately as real test for Romney would have been in that travel ban the first days of the administration whether to resign them or or not. That would have particularly problematic for a lot of moment. It was if Hillary Clinton had read this book and then run against him. What do you think she'd have done differently? I think she would learn from Fillon. I I say so. Boldly the patterns of this president and also some his his strengths and his vulnerabilities. If you're going to war against someone what you're going to learn from this book is what makes them tick. What motivates him and where he falls falls down Where he falls down according again to hundreds of sources who worked for him is that he is not interested? Did in taking a new information not curious about our history. And she coulda pointed that out Are you are you patriot. If you don't know what happened at Pearl Harbor Harbor. Do you understand the rule of law if you can't read the constitution and don't care to read it before you become president. Those are the kinds of things she could have asked. What's the what have you learned about our our place in this ecosystem in Washington as the press and the way he is tried tried to make us turn us into partisan a partisan entity he has tried to turn our two party system and almost three party system where the press is a third party and opposition party to him and he's done it quite effectively? Actually it's done it. I mean there's an intensity af hate towards the the free press That we've never seen. I mean look at my cycle. Thinks he did. The fact is is a successful way to raise money which is the dehumanizing character assassinate any journalists there is yeah and that was striking MC sally with Maharaja who's totally respected from both parties on on Capitol Hill ingenuous. Because question is asked. was that even a radio. A radio host that I do regularly do hits with on Fridays to promote the press in Phoenix area. Said I don't know anything about men whose politics but I would have asked the same question and he's empathetic to the president side. There was nothing wrong with that question so even he was like wondering. What was the motivation? Ovation behind that. But to me it's about how how easy it is to exploit media hatred on the right right now. Yeah it's so easy because trump has laid that foundation and and we see it every day at the White House of course the way he talks back to reporters. There's a scene here where Abby Philip from CNN. is at at the Marine One before Marine One takes off and asks him a very basic news of David Westin about Matt Whitaker than the Acting Attorney General and trump just snaps at her and says. US stupid questions. I watch you all the time stupid questions. Stupid question if there's just so much denim From the president towards the press. And you know we're not at at war with him. We're trying to do our work and trying to you. Know Unearth Truth and bring light to what's happening in the country as as you are too and it it makes our Ajayi difficult. What's it what kind of tolls taken on you care as I'd take a one on me I'll just I I find it really troubling from the standpoint that We're all working our tails off. This new cycle is like one I've never seen and I've been a reporter for two and a half decades without dating myself too much and I I you know I have a family so to all my colleagues or they have friends and loved ones people they wanna see. We're not doing that. We're losing that quality time with those people and we are getting epithets hurled at us for trying to bring facts to the public eye. I yearn for for this day when we can communicate with those people who are hurling epithets and show them what we do. Come see it because all we're doing is rigorously getting facts Enjoy it congrats that you got this done. Thanks Charlotte Caroline thanks. Thank you been listening to the chuck. Todd cast from meet the press. Today's episode was produced by just Scream Ryan. Braun Matt Rivera's our senior producer for digital and genres our producer Steve Alexa the head of podcast for NBC News and the music composed by spoke media. I'm Chuck Todd. 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Episode 4: The Fascinating Moose written by Charly Conquest and Ben Mullins
"In your world things are important, but what about the things? Aren't important anymore. Well sometimes those things end up here in dillistone. Whether Jif Link live on their little jeff link ship. Find these things we throw away and fish them out of their fee so that they can recycle them and put them to good use once again. And here they are now ready to work. Eccentric, young, Pumpkin Ooh I've ever so excited the hedge he was a very lazy to Fling Cayman is time for bed yet Albert the ship Gardner. We, who's being emmy coverage? Freed nine very bossy drifting who keeps law and order on the ship? Come on our. It is time for Work and Myth Katie who is just a little bit vain. I'm not feign. I'm just really really beautiful. This morning on the ship over the Jefflin's are working very hard in Albert Garden. Because it was time to get ready for harvest, harvest is a very important time when all is. The seat of the names Bro get gathered up because the weather is starting to get cold. Album was showing everybody how to dig up his potatoes and it was very tiring. Work for the difference knew that sometimes. You have to work very hard to get what you want. Day Weekday Young Pumpkin get hooked up. The GRUND Good Lod that's right. Dana Grand Job. Ever Little Bit Muddy Albert but I'm going to find the biggest potato it'll be. Big As the sea that is not possible, pumpkin potatoes. Of potatoes well, that was true, but sometimes it was nice to use your imagination and young Pumpkin was very good at that. Do man yet. Kaunda potato before with cooked hedge put like I'm just a little bit. peckish man. I May to loud I. Mean Awful would have all these potatoes done by now you now with all logistics helping to fate of Von, Jif. To Jeff Very three, Jeff. Jeff. But. Six Foot Jeff Fun is missing I'll bet you have got us four potatoes Pumpkin. You'll have to hedge. Novon Lazy Hedge Free To Line Five. Miss Katie has no one the difference lay down their spayed and started to look for Miss Katie. Who they now realize they hadn't seen since breakfast. They searched the deck and they searched high up in the math, and the even searched the gully, but she was nowhere to be found. Everybody fully the whimpering sound towards the bedroom where Miss Katie was that in how favorite sport in front of the Bedroom Mirror? Redesign marched up and pointed at Miss Katie with her muddy. Jeff Link Potato fingers loose. Creating this is not city downtown zig muddy time. I'm. Not Saying town free line. I'm feeling very. Quickly gathered around the thing they liked the least of all with each other to feel sad that somebody wake you up in the middle, screaming. Nice No? Did somebody call your father Juke instead of lulled. I? Lost my favorite heaven. Mosquito you do not need heaven. Z. Potato Job. I can't come on me Petrie without me ribbon, it makes. It makes me special. Average fling special. That was a very good point. But wait that found meant that an object which have been lost or thrown away on earth had ended up in the around their ship now all of the jets needed to scuttle out onto deck as they could only manage to pull the object here in if every drifting helped. It sort of twenty thousand onto the deck all tangled up in the net. It was nobly and Brown and pointy all over. It actually looked ever so grand. Hey, I know what this is and. This is a candy tree. WHERE CANDY GROW! Nonsense hedge is no such thing. This is a Hannah that behind all of these things we are not using. Or not using them then Albert stepped forward the he knew just what the object was. He jumped up onto the story seat and settled himself down ready to tell the Tale Neymar Grandad Grandad Albert the garden. So about these these the antlers once belonged to a Moose who lived a long time gone in a massive forest. Wait. A Moose knew he must be very important, because everywhere went all the other animals bow down to. It let them drink forced at the pond and let them have the best sunny spot on the grass. One deer he was drinking the pond and he saw his reflection on the top of his big moose. He'd with these couch Putney. That stuck like a crown, and that's when he realized it was his antlers that made king of the forest. Yahtzee was a very kind bruce king. He would talk to everybody telling the mile fascinating stories history of the forest now Leo, the creatures worthiness, and the liked him very much, but one dear, the fascinating Moose went and had a little sleep and when he will. Is. Antlers were nowhere to be found when he looked in the pond. He was sad. 'cause there's listened farland office heat. But you see that's what happens to a moose. When the group. The shed, the antlers, but a Moose didn't now that an it made him sad. New. The Moose went to hide because he didn't think is friends in the forest would like any man now that he didn't resent. Lose put your Stan when he was. His friend Hana, the spiral flooded in Furlan visit the Moose King Hannah that nobody would think he was interested in any man. told him they liked him for his fascinating stories on these kind globally ways not for his antlers I. Buy this. Very happy and so he sat down with Alice. Forest friends until the best story ever. It was exciting on funny to a neighbor. Even realize that he didn't even have his Annapolis because there was so happy to be spending time with their friend, the Moose and listening to his fascinating tales. Because the list, veloce thrown away now I find a new use for them. 'cause like that's what Jeff links do. Yes and that's what people do to when they are most clever thoughtful. All of the Jeff looked at the antler's and try to dream up a new use for them. To be a brilliant party hats nine, it will be it pots pans holder for. Flint kitchen then Miss Katie stepped forward and looked over at the five tiny little spades. The Jeff links have been using to dig up the potatoes I think we should use it as a big rake to help with the petit to harvest. Way, I'll help. pull the through the garden. Reckon will get twice the potatoes in half the time. This is a sensible and as they carried the antlers to the garden, what should Mitt Katie find, but has special hair ribbon blowing about on the deck of the ship? She picked it up and put it around the antlers. My ribbon will make the Pathak handle through them. We can all pull together. The different all pulled the ambulance through the garden, and they were all happy to be. They made a perfect rake. At the end of the day, they old potatoes into a basket and they have thirty four. which was a great potato harvest for five little? Eight then at the end of the day, they will felt very tired, so they washed up there spades and put them away and soon it was time for bed. Tonight Young Pumpkin. Get Nine Talbot Badge. Lake get night free to line. Is a good night. Get, Nightmares Katie night nine good night had. Hedge! I think the hedges asleep already. And Goodbye to you wherever you are hopefully next time you see a thing, you might throw away. You'll stop and see if you can use to gain just like all friends. Maybe the thing you use a game, we'll have a story to tell you. Goodbye. Both to ship was written mostly by me, Charlie conquest, and a tiny little bit by me, Ben Mullins over this performed by Charlie, and Ben and audio production was by Ben Thank you for listening to bottle ship. We hope you enjoyed it goodbye.
Episode 5: The Clowns Nose written by Charly Conquest and Ben Mullins
"Here in your wild things are important, but what about the things that aren't important anymore? Well sometimes, those things end up here in dillistone. Whether shiffling live on their little jeff link ship. They find these things. We throw away and fish them out of there. So that they can recycle them and put them to good years once again. And here they are now ready to work. Eccentric Young Pumpkin Ooh I remember so excited the hedge. He was a very lazy to flame. Why Cayman is time for bed yet, Albert the ship Gardner. We, who's being emmy coverage perch lake free, denying a very bossy Jeff who keeps law and order on the ship. Come on our flings. It is time for work and Katie who is just a little bit vain I'm not feign I'm just really really beautiful. Today was a very busy day for the. Miss Katie and Albert were cleaning all at the ship from top to bottom because it was their turn to make everything they conspired. And Miss Katie with making rather meal. My pretty to fling armed can't reach to the highest shelf onto dainty buried. That's nonsense. LASCA hour here. I'll bet boosted Katie onto his shoulders and she giggled. Now. She was quite high enough to clean every nook and cranny. Where good team on this kid, yeah, like me and the mirrors. compostion radishes Miss. Katie wasn't sure she wanted to be compost, but she definitely thought they were very good team. Everything Barclay like a diamond. Our ship is a shiny as a crown. It nearly as beautiful as I am Battaini neely. The other shifts need to see our hard work did. What do you think of this lake with cleaned every corner every code? This is most satisfactory like the floor looks good enough to. Know Hedge I wouldn't do that. Maybe have a biscuit. Instead. It's young Pumpkin. Should enjoy this also I think he's like cleaning. The C cupboard man come the show a let him Tuesday shiny success. That was a great idea. They're freeth line, and hedge and. Dusty Alberton. Katie wanted out onto the deck to the rocket ship. Great Young Pumpkin have been sorting out the covet. This was where the Jefflin's stored. All of the loss forgotten things that they had rescued from the ocean, and luckily their ship with big as your imagination, though it was easy to find a place for all the things they found. But Oh, no miss! Katie had just seen something to make her very angry pumpkin. Komiya now young pumpkin without from way back at the far end of the cupboard and Odia he was covered in grease and. I put a lovely morning. I used some slimy old engine pasta. Fix Out jif link tricycle. And then I went gala bunting on it up and down the ship just like night. ZIGIC things are? Not Z. Nights Klina Pumpkin. You've made a mess of our lovely shiny clean. Shit. Like that y'all out covered in muck now, suicide the. All if the not around and it was true, that was oily Meli tricycle bike math everywhere. made it cerebral Massey Nincompoop. Having. No time to feel sorry for yourself now. Young Pumpkin because that sound meant an object which have been lost or thrown away on earth had tanned up in their net. Now all the Jefflin's had to work together to heave it out the and find out what they. Jefflin's looked at the object, which was read and round and shiny to. Think this must be a tomato shield for protecting me to Mars from the flies. No Way Man I think it's like a huge pillow. Perhaps it's like a throne for chief. Flynn king before young Pumpkin could reach out and touch the object with his grubby hands free nine charted forward, and pushed it out of his reach, for she knew just what it was. She jumped up onto the story, and Thatta, nice, and tall, ready to tell the tale. This is the clown's nose. Belong to a very funny, but silly clown called pickle. Who was part of a great big traveling circus zip, acrobats and gymnasts who did? Clever tricks. Men and five visits. See Master who was fake. Simplest also pickled posts. Now ziprecrui push falls face purchased as a clown should be. People. From his bigger knows. What hit you square and see I. He also vixenish issues. Fall onto his. On everybody laughed at comedy. But Ziprecrui was not very careful. FOR THE HIPPOS ONSTAGE HE THROWS A. Cream. CUSTARD pies. Over everywhere what it was always faith funny, but he never sought to clean it up, and he was done, so visit acrobats came out. They slipped, slided all over everything. It was very hard for them to do the tricks and even zero McMaster got his lovely snot suit all covered in. Cream. San One day ZIPRECUITER. Push bent into the circus. Zeph, nobody's there at all. He asked his friends ringmaster pfeiffer going on. TOLD ZIP PICKLE PUSS Audience stopped to the shows because. Funny Customer Mess made too slippery and everyone. Manila ticket seats wound because all the acrobats gymnasts slipped over a to Z could no longer dues wonderful tricks? Some said just wasn't much of a circus left and Emol. peekapoo she hadn't thought about how this might affect up people. But now. Because there was no one to see him perform his tricks, so he throws Simi red-nosed event because he couldn't be funny. Silly anymore it's it was no one's there to laugh at sea pickle PUSS, comedy. A, now because the nose got thrown away, it has ended up here and US Jeff will use the again on yet. Miss Katie, and we people can try and reuse things, too, because it really does make a lot of sense. It could be like a food pouch where we keep all of our midnight month. I think we should use the giant hair bubble fit for a princess than young Pumpkin step foods for he knew just what it could be. PICKLED PUSH! The clowns squirted water out of his nose. Then we could use it to hold water in. It can be a special red path that we all wash ourselves after we've had muddy playtime, so nothing else gets monkey. Young Pumpkin. That sounds like a marvelous idea. Well done all of the first wash it. Clean everything up in the seed cupboard, and that in just what he did, he turns the nose upside down, and he filled it with hot soapy water, and then he jumped right in for. It was just the right side for A. He sang little Washington as he cleaned himself up. ooh! Washing in my hand, washing my face washing gave. And then he set to work making the meat and Tidy Day. And there was even time for everyone to have a play on the newly fix and clean tricycle bike before they all had supper and Jeff, Oud after bent. Denied Young Pumpkin. Good Nice get night Talbot. Down see in the morning lake. Get night free to nine. Is a good night. Good Night Miss Katie, night, nine good night hedge. Head. I I think the head is asleep already. And Goodbye to you wherever you are hopefully next time you see a thing that you might throw away. You'll stop and see if you can use it to gain just like all friends. The fling a maybe the thing you use a game, we'll have a story to tell you. Goodbye, Both to ship was written mostly by me. Charlie conquest and a tiny little bit by me. Ben Mullins over this performed by Charlie and Ben and audio production was by Ben Thank you for listening to battleship. We hope you enjoyed it goodbye.
Episode 7: The Christmas Diamond written by Charly Conquest and Ben Mullins
"In your wild things are important, but what about the things that aren't important any? Well sometimes those things end up here in dillistone. Whether shiffling live on their little jeff link ship. They find these things we throw away and fish them out of there. So, that they can recycle them and put them to good years once again. And here they are now ready to work. Eccentric Young. Pumpkins remember so excited the hedge. He was a very lazy to fling. Why Cayman is time for paid yet? Albert the ship Gardner. We. Who's being emmy coverage perch? Lake freed nine very bossy Jeff. Who keeps law and order on the ship? Come on our flings. It is time for work and Miss Katie. Who is just a little bit vain. I'm not feign I'm just really really beautiful. Today with a very exciting day for the fling. It was Christmas Eve. Each jeff with getting the ship ready for this special day. Free July was mopping the deck. The hedge was Beijing the mint pies, although he was eating quite a few of them to Miss Katie was dressing the most in all the finest ribbons and life that she found in her special dressy up each will and Albert was getting older. The lovely Brussels sprouts ready for Christmas dinner. But Young PUMPKIN had rather another idea entirely. Some to Jeff Ling, please. Can I have a great big racing truck to go and? The croquet set to walk under flute to go to do. I think you should be quite secretive. Young Pumpkin, one present plenty for Jiffy and. Things we use things. They don't need things they don't need. This was very true, but of course it was Christmas and at Christmas. Everybody have to feel a little bit special. Just a small list for the very good little league, so the Pumpkin but your list is longest lists outage if ever listed. Is. Simply no need for the Jefflin's all looked along the deck, and indeed young Pumpkins list stretched as far as the I could see like that list loop so comfy man. I might just take a small. Lay down on it. No Zeno Hedge. You must keep your Christmas is open. Cleanup Pumpkin you ask for so many things you ask for the Christmas ponant. Like ponies. On asked for a trampoline made out of Jelly. Fish is simply ridiculous. I liked jelly jumping. You have asked footsie festive mouse rollercoaster for pet mouse Jeffrey. Like Jeffrey? Die Like rollercoasters gray. I think Jeffrey might be scared. I height you now. He does much light. Get when we're climb. A ladder untrimmed the apple trees the button of the books. Owned you'll have asked for a big friendly dinosaur who is not only make believe you would also make terribleness. SUMTER JIF does not have time falls. Your list is nearly as long as the shape and considering that ship as big as your imagination well, it really was a terribly long list. The size of a lot of pink Christmas giant. Bother I think I might have been real the greedy. Well no time to rub things off your list just now young Pumpkin, because that was the sound of a new object which have been lost all thrown away on earth, and had found its way into the Jif flings net. Hurry up now you'll only manage to pull it in of all five Jefflin's help. Lou. Goodness Me Jeff's. This object really was very sparkly and very shiny and very pretty, wasn't it? It was yellow and round with a great big twinkling moon stuck up on the top. Hey, this looks like a snack back. Pack that I can carry my afternoon cookies nine. It is a headland. Put on faces, so they can see in the dark vote. Work still needs to be done then. Miss Katie stepped forward. She had been told all about this subject, and now she was ready to share what it really was. This is the diamond ring that belongs to a beautiful countess. A migrate cousin Liz Liz Jeff Lang. Told me all about it miss. Katie hops up onto the story seat. She made sure everybody had their eyes on her justice. She liked and then she started to tell the tale. Once a long time ago, that was a countess code for Gina, who loved to play with all the other children in the neighborhood. She likes to play hopscotch and Dressy the P with David Game, but she didn't need to dress up with the princess. Because account test is almost the same thing one day Hermes Accountemps Regina. It was head birthday, and so she was going to have a policy. was very excited and she finest. Then when they tend to. They gave her a shiny present. All wrapped up in pay per booze. They'll peasants as far as I could see. Brandon the because on are a dozen donor. Lobby at the blacksmiths. Daughter, voter, Tutu. Ballerina. Regina didn't try it on because she had so many more pleasant, still open, so she threw a bit on the big president. While everybody else at fun. She just spent the whole day open, Heke. Years went by. Amr. EDINA started to get presents every day. Because that's what everybody thought she liked, but she never saw her friends anymore. Because all she did was comp- resonance and that started to make Medina's. Then one day, Brandon the bakers on came back with one very special president. He was going to ask for Gina to marry him, so he brought her a huge diamond ring, but when routine opens it? She passed surprise and the rig flew right out of our hands, an fell into the enormous pilot presents. New Matter how hard they look, they couldn't find the ring anywhere. But because Regina I'm brandon with in love. She told him they didn't need. A May. Get married anyway I'm the Gina told everyone that instead of presence bowl she wanted was to spend time with her friends. And They had the happiest wedding day ever. A now because of. The ring! It's ended up here on V. Chip flings will make good use of it indeed free to line for it is always best to try and find a new use for something, instead of just throwing it away, but now they all had to decide what to use the ring full. It could be like a Christmas tree onum man a. what about a lovely Gardner seat? Where are INTECH arrest? An at Miami Paul snips then young. Pumpkins step forwards for he had a lovely sparkly idea. The G-, we should use it as a shiny disco bowl, so we can all spend the day together a wonderful Christmas Eve party. Together Yay. Yet Young Pumpkin I. think that would be splendid off to rule Christmas is always best when you get to spend time together. Links Oh, he'd bring into the middle of this ship and hung it from the monster wherever it shine very brightly Amiss Katie and free design, Sangha Funday Christmasy SOM- while everybody dance too long and played Christmasy Games until the sun went down. Sa- Christmas Fun Voltage. If playing off dress cop more at Christmas lunch, play on play to tidy up. Time with the, we. Then everyone felt very tired. Time to go to bed before Santa Jiggling a ride. It is Z. Married Jif Mus. Tonight Young Pumpkin. gig Night Talbot. In the morning Lake, get night free to nine. Is it good night? Good night, Miss Katie night nine good night I had. Hedge! I think the head is asleep already. And Goodbye to you wherever you are hopefully next time you. Might throw away. You'll stop and see if you can use to gain just like all friends. The thing you use a game, we'll have a story to tell you. Goodbye. Both to ship was written mostly by me. Charlie conquest, and a tiny little bit by me, Ben Mullins over this performed by Charlie and Ben and audio production was by Ben. Thank you for listening to bottle ship. We hope you enjoyed it goodbye.
Episode 3: The Astronauts Helmet written by Charly Conquest and Ben Mullins
"In your wild things are important, but what about the things that aren't important anymore? Well sometimes. Those things end up here in dillistone. Whether shiffling live on their little jeff link ship. They find these things we throw away and fish them out of their see so that they can recycle them and put them to good years once again. And here they are now ready to work. Eccentric Young Pumpkins a remember so excited the hedge. He was a very lazy to fling. Why Cayman is time for bed yet? Albert the ships Gardner. We who's being emmy coverage perch lake freed nine very bossy shifting who keeps law and order on the ship? Come on our flings. It is time for work and Miss Katie who is just a little bit vain. A not feign. I'm just really really beautiful today. The Jiggling have a very important task. They have to collect all of the ingredients that T. And the evening they are having sees salad. What you haven't heard the salad then you're really missing out. Now today the makings a C. Salad. Yeah, so each of you needs to very chick flick armbands. Put your feelings stem suits. Vicky now the difference. got around the ship to find swimming costume and safety equipment. They knew it was most important to be safe when swimming in the sea. My swimming costume it's fit for. What you are not zip Princess Yeah Miss Katie. Show me arms. You Hobson Armbands. Tach. My swimming trunks alike. So Comfy! I could just go to sleep. Z. No. That is no sleeping NC hedge. You must pick up on cuddle. Klina Pumpkin. These swimming children. I think they might be with. It's terrible lava money so long as you can spin them Pumpkin and safely gather some sea cucumbers Zain's. This is all that matters that was quite trade. It was better of cool to have something that you need it then something. That was just very expensive. Now is I'll bet everybody looked around. The talbots was nowhere to be seen. The gifts called out his name Al.. Covet, but no use Albert had disappeared. Maybe he's doing his hair. Maybe he's having a small snoop. No sink, not three nine shish all the lanes, and then they all had small story sound. It was like a yelp or welp over an hour, my goodness, but maybe a bit Sada. All the gist cracked round the corner of the ship to west muddy garden footprints. Have, clip clocked and then. Stopped hidden in a corner intending to his friend, the PAT mound called Jeffrey with Albert the Gardner. And teed up too terribly quinary like a jelly in the middle of an earthquake. What's wrong a young? Jeffrey's GonNa feel left out before all on Swimmin-. GonNa sit here were him and ten. Emmy radishes Davis without you all. You'll the Gardner. Only. You know which St cabbages and waterspouts. We need for us these salads. This is factually True Abbott. You will freight of swimming in the. Bay just arming. Way It's. It's not that I'm scared of the water like. Just. meaning. And then he went quiet, but there was no time for questions. Because then there was the noise. That noise meant that an object which have been lost or thrown away on earth had ended up in the waters around their ship now they all needed to work together to Heaton in. The object clung onto the ship, and then wrote a little along the floor, ending up Albert speed. It was a funny kind of round thing with the whole middle. And it looked very important way. This is definitely a water in con for me, a water me garden. No! It is certainly a pan. The must brush all. Observe dust and muck into I think it must be huge egg. Egg Dinosaur okay out of Long Day. Steady it. The crown just thought of Shiny round one with a funny little flap at the front. Then the hedge stepped forward the he knew exactly what the object was. He took it for Miss Katie and trotted to the story seat, relaxing himself in its cozy cushions, and preparing to tell the story of what the object really was. No Miss Katie. Man, this is the astronaut's helmet. And long ago, it belonged to a man called. Mr Paul. WHO wanted to go into space? Mr Paul was very clever and he passed all of his tests. He knew every planet and he could say the mall in one go. Ooh, they were called like mercury and mom. Venus and Saturn. Mr Paul impressed everybody space school. And they all that he would be the best person to send them there I bake. Mission to something called the Moon. which is very far away so far away. They have to take food. Little packets and the don't even stand on the ground when they get. They, just float. In the AD. Mr Paul. Old. Men Heads. You simply cannot fall asleep on the story seat. This story seat is for telling this story. You must not go to sleep. Pain continue, but. Mr Paul had gone out of her air protest. He knew how far they had to go. And for how long but as the time for him to go into space Scott Mirror he started to feel afraid and he didn't want to go. He spoke to his friend Sophie? Who was not quite as clever as Mister Paul but she was very adventures. Sophie tried to tell her friend. There was nothing to be afraid. That, she would be there and friends look out for each other but Mr. Paul was still free. So when the came, it was sophie in the other astronauts who went to the rocket and went all the way up to the moon. and Mr Paul was sad. So, we throw away the hell because it reminded him of one lovely adventures, he could have had if only he'd been a little bit more. They hedge the are not going to go into the space van. No. Jeff has gone before so now. They must find a new use for it. Is, what Jeff links do indeed, and it's really what we people like today when we make a big effort, all jeff links looks down at the helmet justice. Geoffrey meet and jumped right in. Way I your right. If you're brave enough to live on me, ship than are and be brave enough to gone for a swim. Off Thing. We should use this helmet. A great big bull that will come put the C. solid in when we collected. That brilliant idea almost as good as one of my ideas. Leave your. Albus out that Bush. Because he knew his friends would be to look after him. Because they will owes safely wearing the armband. Nothing bad could happen. All the GIS jumped into. I may had thuch fun, gathering the celery and onions, and titled Tomato until the, Sun started to set then the jeff link or got safely out of the and had a lovely sees solid. t the all heading to bed. Good Night Young Pumpkin. Get Night Talbot. Does, see in the morning lake. Get night, free line. Is a good night. Yaw Good Night Miss Katie night, nine good night head. Hedge. I I think the head is asleep already. And Goodbye to you wherever you are hopefully next time you see a thing that you might throw away. You'll stop, and if you can use it to gain just like call friends the flame. The thing, you use a game, we'll have a story to tell to. Goodbye. Both to ship was written mostly by me Charlie conquest and a tiny little bit by me Ben Mullins over this performed by Charlie. And Ben and audio production was by Ben. Thank you for listening to bottle ship. We hope you enjoyed it goodbye.
Episode 2: The Sunglasses written by Charly Conquest and Ben Mullins
"In your wild things are important, but what about the things that aren't important anymore? Well sometimes those things end up here in dillistone. Whether shiffling live on their little jeff link ship. They find these things we throw away and fish them out of there. So that they can recycle them and put them to good years once again. And here they are now ready to work. Eccentric Young Pumpkins Ooh I. Remember so excited the hedge. He was a very lazy to flame. Why Cayman is time for bed. Yet Albert the ship Gardner. We. Who's being emmy coverage? Perch Lake Free denying a very bossy Jeff Ling. Who keeps law and order on the ship? Come on our flings. It is time for work and Katie. Just little bit vain I'm not feign I'm just really really beautiful. Today on the ship Jeff links are enjoying playtime after a morning of cleaning, tidying and busying themselves. The hedges suggested his favorite game sleeping Niassa where everybody has to lay still as they can, whilst one different tries to make them move and today that you fling is young Pumpkin. Everyone enjoys sleeping lion. It really is terribly fun. I enjoy it a little bit, but Visha soon need to be back again. Be Quiet, free to nine or you'll lose the game. To Light Young Pumpkins already noticed free line. Move Own. Now you have to make. Everybody moved to free. Read a line. It's ever so much fun. You get to say boo and everybody's have free tonight and young. Pumpkin tiptoed around the deck of the ship, looking for who they would rouse next. Young Pumpkin pointed towards Albert. He still had one cautious. I, open I see I hear. You Ev- their. Way Now like Mount. There was only Miss Katie and the hedge left Albert cottage cheese. All his Jefflin's faith, as he hawked, gave it to his vegetable patch and yanked up a lovely Petri. He knelt down beside of very still. Miss Katie and That tickled me with. The. Way It's on. Beaten The have a big leafy hot on Monaco Garden, before they got in your dinner So Zig. Hedge he has been the game. Hedge! Ted. Can't sleep through. Your vending must enjoy it. Hedge. Be Proud you a champion Jif. Maybe after just a couple moments sleep. Three nine shook the hedge, and he jumps to his feet clobbered him awake. Lobbying it's when you go. Sometimes you do it when you mix your words? And sometimes if you eat something that tastes Yucky, but this time hedge was blabbering, so he could wake you up little blue so like I get to choose another game. This is Katie's turn hedge. You did win. You chose sleeping lions. That was true. He did at the liked it very much. Mike Tem I like my ten most and I. Say we play. Best. Why don't you guys play and I'll have like a small. But. Maybe next time Miss Katie. Now, there was no time for hedge to fall asleep because that was the sound. The JEFFLIN's all new at Menton. That have been lost or thrown away on earth head got caught in their net, and now they had to work together to heat. It's in. Finding new use. They all the strain, shiny object in their net, it had to round circles and two long arms, and because the Jefflin's are so very small. It was nearly as well as them. Only young Pumpkins, fuzzy head of hair puffed out over the top. I think it's a giant racket for playing lawn games with. No. It is a scoop for scooping up all of. This must be like some kind of windshield to keep out loud wind of me. lettuces no way man. It's like a disco ball for giant party. Then Miss Katie set forward knowingly perched herself on the story seat. For this time. She was the one who knew what the object really was, and now she was going to tell us. Obsolete energetically, he was a very beautiful Jeff. Told me all about these. These are the sunglasses with once belonged to a famous actress Shaney on demand and everybody loved. A bit like me. Shania would travel all over the World Brad plays and film, but have favorite thing of all that the holiday and she looked forward to it all year long. Shaney always went on holiday with their best friend album. Wasn't famous, and he wasn't very beautiful. Use a very good friend to say, and we've made a laugh when they went away. Every year when they put their holiday, Shane wanted to go somewhere else, but allen like the cold her and he really really loved skiing and throwing snowballs. Because Allen was a lovely friend, and because she was used to just getting what she wanted it. Every year they would just go on holiday to the beach and shady. Bring US song, grasses and poor old, Alan, get all hard, and all both it and all sweaty, and just UK, and it didn't feel much like a holiday to him all. The one Yeh Shaney got ready to leave Allen told her he couldn't come because he didn't want to be all sticky and he really really wanted to go somewhere, call. The ash needs to come along to, but Shaney didn't like the call, so she went on holiday to the lovely beach all on a road. But, instead of having lots of fun, Shaney was so sad because there was no one there to our form with. Does. Go on! A big aeroplanes went straight to big chilly mounts Zimmer. Allen was on holiday and the AD, marvelous time making snow, Angel and I scoped and Jenkin. Cherry slow, she'd. Ashamed, even notice that. She left her sunglasses on the hot beach because she was having so much fun with her friends. Alan. Now finally his ten to cheese. Off the Costa Sunglasses were lost now we have to find a useful them bad. That's what chaplains. Indeed and it is what we do, too when we try very hard. All the Jeff laynes looked down at the sunglasses, but what should with them now? Thought too big for different facial. I can see my whole head in them and y'all's Miss. Katie Young Pumpkin funny. I, Miss Katie did she saw reflected in the sunglasses. Then the hedge stepped forward. I'm for once. He seemed very awake and alert. He paid into the sunglasses and looking back he saw. Well. He saw himself. The sleepy, Hungry and now rather sorry heads. I think. We should use them in mess Katie's game. We can play dress. And use them as a mirror. Myth Katie with very excited. That was one of my favorite thing so Jif things got out there dressing up. And they had a good fun time watching reflections in the subject while they were pretending, they were princesses and night and giants. Andrew Royal Gardener right because well Albert really really liked being golic. And well there you can learn very important lessons. You can never change your nature. Thadani all the Jefflin's felt rather sleepy, but this time they weren't being sleeping lions. It really was time for bed. Tonight Young Pumpkin. Get. Night Talbot Branch does see in the morning lake. Get night free to nine. Is a good night. Good Night Miss Katie night nine good night hedge. Hedge. I, think the head is asleep already. And Goodbye to you wherever you are hopefully next time, see the thing that you might throw away. You'll stop and see if you can use it to gain just like our friends. Maybe the thing you use a game, we'll have a story to tell you. Goodbye. Both to ship was written mostly by me. Charlie conquest under tiny little bit by me Ben Mullins over this performed by Charlie. And Ben and audio production was by Ben Thank. You for listening to bottle ship. We hope you enjoyed it goodbye.
Episode 10: The Donkeys Bucket written by Charly Conquest and Ben Mullins
"In your house, things are important. But what about the things that aren't important anymore? Well. Sometimes, those things end up here in dillistone. Whether Jif links live on their little jeff link ship. They find these things we throw away and fish them out of there the so that they can recycle them and put them to good use once again. And here they are now ready to work. Eccentric Young Pumpkin Ooh I remember. So excited the hedge, he was a very lazy to fling why Cayman is it time for bed yet? Albert the ship. Gardner. We who's being emmy coverage, perch lake freed nine, very bossy drifting who keeps law and order on the ship come on honor flings. It is time for Work and myth. Katie who is just a little bit vain a- not feign. I'm just really really beautiful. Today with one of the wettest days, the ship had ever seen. It was raining so hot that little puddles reforming all around the deck. while. Most of the Jiffy were enjoying flashing around. Albert was in his garden because today was gardening day, and even though it was raining, Albert missed the gardening day. Way Look. This water are certainly hurt me beat root student get flooded. Come on how that me and Pumpkin. Again, have a splashing contest you should join in. Going to find the biggest puddle ever I'm going to make the biggest splash abol. Now you're read a thing, I'll just dry off me tomorrow's. I didn't know that tomatoes. Off How come the tomatoes needs to be dry album. Like water. I mean spurs the to always have to be dry and I suppose the two light water, but they too deers. Gardening. Day. To do something in me garden like maybe we could make a delicious mud pie. By. A hedge right now anita put up me cabbage umbrellas. I didn't know that cabbages needed umbrellas. In fact I thought they liked the rain just as much as young Pumpkin and miss kt was still having a jolly flash. Then free to nine marched outside wearing very neat raincoat with the hood pulled writer. Sure flings I am afraid Zeevit playtime is over. Is a big storm coming what it is dangerous to stay outside any longer. The. Must Go. Things were a little sad. playtime was lots of fun. But with so many big angry rainclouds. They all knew that it was time to go inside. Well, nearly all of them new do a half to come inside. I don't like the change me. Goldman days. Do. Not Be so stubborn. Albert. You convert. Garden Tomorrow Fenzy ring has gone. Right, now you're getting cold vet for no reason indeed, and now the other gift was shimmering tune. So they tumbled inside to run a nice warm bath and. into that lovely dry clothes, but then I have no freeze. Luke, our roof, it's the kid free and I looked inside and indeed from one corner of the room, there was a drip drip drip coming from the ceiling. Usually, Albert would be the first to help as he was good at fixing things, but he was still in his garden. We need your help Albert leaking here. I am there's a whole bunch leaks out here. I'll wet in me garden. And it's gardening day. I listen Jeff laynes that sound Menton object which have been lost or thrown away on earth had ended up in the sea around their ship. Now, in bad weather, the Jif links had a special lomb net they used. So they could heave the object in while staying safe and dry inside that ship, and since they all had to work together to bring the item in output did come away from his garden just for a moment and soon, a big hollow object with a handle on it rolled onto the deck. I think it's a stage. The I can dance down on and everybody can clap. It looks like a huge bowl. Did we could fill with chocolate pudding then freed align step forward with high usual purpose for she knew what the item was. She tidily her up onto the story seat and got ready to tell the tale of where the object really came from. This is the donkeys, Puckett and my great aunt Margherita Jeff Linger told me all about. This story starts at the seaside there Zephyr. Many donkeys save a little shy on cold Simon. A big strong von Golden. Rocket. Samples also. Stubbornness donkey of all cold Hilda. Wanted. To be just face. She liked it y'all. Then, he'll the love CB. She put to liquor jumps run up down see Sunday short visit shooter. said the end of each day donkeys would go back to staples every single day. For her favorite meal of hey in her special bucket. Zach Fosse, she liked it. But what morning stable boy Chris do surprise policy donkeys. Venues Code Zyppah going to start giving children rides. Sunday matter instead of on Sevigny Beach. Now, all seat, his event. Except for his death who did not want to Chaim sleepy she did sings. So Ven Chris, king to bring her to help. Hilda refused. He puts on on, she puts us out but it was a US. So instead of going plus the fun Enzi, meadow him, the State all by herself cell Effendi beach is only a special buckets company. turned. Company. So sometime, vent by when Chris came to give him a special dinner in a special bucket. But she didn't font. It's his time, the 'cause she paused. A bit cold. Kris told Hilda save with all still come to the beach in the summer. Interest couldn't stays at all see time sometimes six. How to change. But? Zach. Didn't mean it be plus. Realized you had been sitting. On. Social. Trotted off. This Chris Tuesday. Lovely. Sunny meadow friendship. You Pause Fair happy to see all of her friends. Won't. She forgot all about special bucket because she had learned that sometimes, it feels good to do things differently after. All, I'm unlike because the bucket got left behind, we have to find a new use for it. Yes. Hedge, we do everything can be reused with a little imagination. Maybe we can use it to carry my shoes from one Rhodri to another war. Maybe we could use it to carry my toy soldiers into battle. Then rather wet and Muddy Albert step forwards. He's suddenly felt very silly being quite so stubborn about staying in his garden. If this book, it was big enough to hold a huge East Tae. Then I think we could use it to catch all the raindrops from the leaky roof. Until it safe for me to fix it. This does indeed south chickens problem. They're all Jefflin's glad the Talbot had decided to come inside a beast safe and war, and they all helped him to drag the bucket and leaky roof, and luckily, it was just the right shape to catch the raindrops. Perfectly. and. Then when the storm had blown over they all helped Albert to fix. And then it was time the beds. Young. Pumpkin. gig night. Talbot Bread. And Lake get. Night. Free To. Line. Is a good night. Good. Night Miss Katie night nine, goodnight hedge. Hedge. I think the hedges asleep already. And Goodbye to you wherever you are hopefully next time, you see a thing that you might throw away. You'll stop and see if you can use to gain just like all friends the different. Maybe. The thing you use a game, we'll have a story to tell you. Goodbye. Both to ship was written mostly by me Charlie conquest on the tiny little bit by me, Ben, mullins over this performed by Charlie and Ben and audio production was by Ben Thank you for listening to bottle ship. We hope you enjoyed it goodbye.
Episode 6: The Paintbrush written by Charly Conquest and Ben Mullins
"In your wild things are important, but what about the things that aren't important anymore? Well. Sometimes those things end up here in dillistone. Whether Jefflin's live on their little jeff link ship. They find these things we throw away and fish them out of there the so that they can recycle them and put them to good use once again. And here they are now ready to work. Eccentric Young Pumpkins. ooh, remember so excited the hedge. He was a very lazy to fling. Why Cayman is it time for bed yet Albert? The ship, Gardner. We who's being emmy coverage perch lake freed nine, a very bossy Jeff Ling who keeps law and order on the ship. Come on our flings. It is time for work and miss, Katie. Who is just a little bit vain? I'm not feign I'm just really really beautiful. This morning there was a very important job to do on the ship. All the Jefflin's were needed to help sail the boat in a new direction and free. I was making sure that everybody needs to do. Free from topsy ship, Jefflin's V. All need to pose this sale to see left hand side Fitch Fico Pot. And other side down near me, artichokes on the right hand side that called starboard. Break a nail rely. This is not important. You've pulled because it is necessary. I'm a champion sailor. Even got medals for winning races. You know this is not a race young Pumpkin. Do is pull on it. You must remember Vich side to pull Paul. Fitches, Tuesday left now. Is? It looked like the hedge might be in a spot of bother instead of listening. He was tucked in the corner, sharing a big bowl of crunchy with Jeffrey. The pack mouth. You must not neighbor Jerry important instructions, but these are like so delicious man. Possible supper hedge just had like a tiny taste man, and now I'm. Amy Sleeping. Rough. No. sleepytime after this is before now. To move sale. Is a five tripling job knew that this was true, but he also also felt rather full. He wobbled up to his feet and little bits of Haffey carrot fell out of his Trautmann, so you listen. Kathleen to see instructions y'all like totally man. Hey, I know how to sail idea. Hedge was in a little bit of a drop now, which was usually Miss Katie's job. He difficult across the deck with a rather round tummy. I'm set himself in front of the CEO. Alcee rules last time come on, man. Let's just pull sale. Okay? Oh, the run out of time on the three. The JEFFLIN's Ling's policy sale one. Two. Three all the main pulled the sale. Just Freedom I. Have said they would. Well, almost as she had said they would, for, although he really thought he had been paying attention, the hedge wasn't actually listening at all whilst Alberton. Miss Katie and your Pumpkin and free to nine all pull the CEO portside head. He was still a little grumpy, pulled the sales starbucks, and now the sale had crack. Oh. NO HEDGE! What will you do now? You've mangled our sale hedge now. We can't go anywhere. More. I. You've made a county actual mess here, you. Know. No time to quarrel now Jeff Ling's for that sound Menton object, which have been lost or thrown away on earth, had turned up in SC, and they all had to work together to heave it in. The object clocked onto deck. Long and thin with a wiry, fuzzy haircut just like Mitt Katie. The difference! All gathered round to look at it more closely. This is certainly a shelf for organizing. All of these things Bain our our thing. It's a scarecrow. To, stop all the birds pecking me garden. Then Young Hopkins skipped forward and put it the object. Why won't they say is this is the paintbrush. It once belonged to a marvelous artist, called squarely warily Brown. It did it like a paintbrush. Now you mentioned it with the links being so little, it is sometimes hard to tell. Young Pumpkin hooked up onto the story seat and gambled himself into a comfortable storytelling position as he began to tell the tale. Squarely warily Brown lifted a huge meadow, which had all sorts of lovely boroughs and dwellings where the other animals. Throughout the whole meadow squarely was known phase, wonderful paintings, and all the animals would ask him to come and paint now houses and Brighton all. He painted a lovely picture of some fruit for Patrick. Badger any painted amounts in for Rachel Bowl. Squirrelly was very proud of himself. And he started to think about all the grand things. You could pay next time. Magnificent cathedral giant elephants. Or even a racing car, because secretly what square really wanted to be more than anything else was a racing car driver. Then the next day squirrels got his biggest job yet for the most important trend in the meadow. I'm elise how? She wanted a lovely calming picture of the Ocean Inside Heads Three House. Home Sushi could look at it and relax. Burt squarely didn't really listen to me all he could think about was his big bright mason com, so that's exactly what he painted over a whole house. Well, wait nominally all came back home. Her is almost popped right out. Hate started spinning all the way round, which actually was okay, because well. That's normal for owls. She told squarely that she really needed to relax. A now off could think of was zooming and rushing. Have not wouldn't do it Solo. Then squarely realized what a nanny he had been and is he really should have listened to emily, so he put down his little paintbrush owner of the meadow. When's out and got a much bigger one so that she could paint over his mistake with a lovely calming paycheck. Just, why commonly? Fall. And because the paintbrush was. All thrown away. It's ended up here. Now. Jefflin's Ville Reuse, it. Yes, free denying full. That is the Jefflin's purpose, and it really should be our purpose to way. Why do we use it? As a wind brick on to show runner beans from Allahabad whether it could be a balancing beam and I could be a brilliant and beautiful gymnast on it, then the head step forwards, and he looked into the air where the sale had been before his unfortunate caribe mistake I think we should use this as a new mast. The sales onto the top, and then he bit into place, and then we can have even more adventures in the C. I and find lots more new objects to. This is the satisfactory outcome. The all heater brush towards the. They unhooked to the sales, and they're proud, different flag and attached them to their new paint, Braschi, poll a now free to line to remind his own of which way to. and. Like listen the most, and indeed he did so the Jefflin's worked the T to get the ship fix. And by the end of the day they had lost no see time at all day, but now everyone had very tired Siham and so that meant it was time to say goodnight. Goodnight Young Pumpkin. Get Night Talbot. Lake. Get night free to nine. Is it. Good night. Good night, Miss Katie night nine good I had. Hedge. I I think the hedges is asleep already. And Goodbye to you wherever you are hopefully next time. Use The thing that you might throw away. You'll stop and see if you can use it to gain. Just call friends the jiggling a maybe the thing you use a game, we'll have a story to tell you. Goodbye. Both to ship was written mostly by me Charlie conquest and a tiny little bit by me Ben Mullins, over this performed by Charlie and Ben and audio production was by Ben Thank you for listening to bottle ship? We hope you enjoyed it goodbye.
Politics with Amy Walter: The Democratic National Committee's 2020 Transformation
"This is politics with Amy Walter on the takeaway. All right, folks. You know, when you hear my voice, it's time to get political. And today, we're going to get deep into the weeds. Now, don't get nervous. I promise you won't get tangled up in here following the election of Donald Trump in two thousand sixteen the Democratic National Committee and fourth referred to as the DNC dot a lot of flack for what was Bued as a monumental failure. And for Democrats it was but to understand what happened on election night in two thousand sixteen and how the DNC's working to avoid a repeat of that. In twenty twenty. We have to go back a bit. Four score and seven years ago. Our fathers brought forth on this continent. Not that far you guys. Let me set the scene twenty fifteen. Hillary Clinton is the heir-apparent for the democratic nomination. Big names like vice president Biden, Elizabeth Warren decided not to run and she faces a little noon for months Senator. Consider myself part of the casino capitalist process by which so few have so much and so many have so little no, I don't. Bernie sanders. Of course, he's a self described democratic socialist who no one in establishment politics, two very seriously best four to early twenty sixteen on the verge of the very important first caucus state hiawatha clear victory for Clinton would finally put the insurgent Sanders campaign to bed. That's not what Hillary Clinton got. I stand here. Tonight, breathing a big of relief. Thank you. I will have something very profound message to the political establishment. I will conquer says we're on February first and not only was the result close with Clinton winning by a hair, but the reality of fraud. Recounted. So we do with Ricky. We heard. Third and ultimately the Sanders campaign lasted much longer than anyone could have imagined Sanders didn't formally endorse Clinton until July twelth just two weeks before the democratic national convention and just four months before the general election. And I intend to do everything I can to make certain she will be the next president of the United without endorsement Democrats hoped to move forward as a unified coalition on their way to Philadelphia for the convention that also didn't happen. July twenty second days before the convention DNC emails were leaked showing a bias by the party against Sanders. Like these quotes, for instance, it's not a DNC conspiracy. It's because the Sanders campaign never had their act together. And do you must be a Bernie grill that leaked forced the resignation of then chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz. The Florida Representative was even booed during a breakfast for her state's delegation. Everybody now settled down Sanders. Supporters were enraged and tensions reached a boiling point on July twenty six when they walked out of the convention in protest. That sentiment from some surrogates and supporters never dissipated during or after the primaries, one campaign Clinton campaign with able to control all of the economics within the DNC process was rigged. The elections are to play tricks. Like this who are you? I mean since you want to go there. This is really about a DNC lacks accountability and transparency period. So was the process rigged and Hillary Clinton's favor in two thousand sixteen you know, I'm not sure Amy that the answer matters. That's Tom Perez. Dnc chairman if people believe that the process in twenty sixteen was designed or implemented in a way that helped Hillary Clinton than that's game set and match. And that's where trust gets undermined prance was elected chairman of the DNC in twenty seventeen and his mission is to ensure that twenty twenty isn't a repeat of two thousand sixteen that doesn't just mean winning. It means reinstalling faith in the system for Democrats, and the DNC has done a lot of work on this front. I'm firm believer that when you lose elections at scale. You gotta watch the game film figure out what went wrong and address it. I talked with chairman Peres recently about the reforms. The DNC is undertaken we have redoubled our commitment to a fifty state strategy. We made unprecedented investments in this midterm cycle that enabled us to have historic gains up and down the ballot across. The country. I'm proud of our investments in Kansas. And I'm proud of our investments in the industrial midwest. I'm proud of our investments in Latino African American Asian American communities. I'm proud of our investments in rural America that enabled us to make real gains. We're also dramatically overhauling our technology infrastructure. What what is here at the DNC? Now in terms of technology is night and day different. And better from what we had even two years ago. And so we learned a harsh lesson in the lessons where this number one. You have to be a fifty state party number two. You have to be a twelve month a year party. All politics is personal. You've got to develop relationships. You can't show up a month before the election remind people about that's transactional politics. That's not relational politics. And because we helped build an every state infrastructure because Democrats were organizing and every zip code you look at how governors races when in place. Like, Michigan, Wisconsin and elsewhere. You look two years earlier, and how secretary Clinton didn't do as well in these areas and Democrats this time around we're able to do much better. We went to school what had happened in the preceding eight years, and we've learned from it, and we're continuing to win elections, and I'm bullish going into twenty twenty. But I'm also very very mindful of the fact that we have more work to do you do belief that it was infrastructure more than it was the candidate. That was a problem for the Democrats in two thousand sixteen. Well, I think the you have to ask a broader question, Amy, what happened over the course of years that resulted in the loss of roughly a thousand net seats in state legislatures. We had sixty seats when Brock Obama took office in the Senate. We ended up with forty eight at the end of twenty sixteen we had far more governorships, and we lost those. We were. Losing elections up and down the ballot. So the question we asked wasn't simply what happened in twenty sixteen. The question was what took place in the years leading up to twenty sixteen and what took places, you know, we became as DNC party whose mission was solely to elect a democratic president every four years as opposed to what our current mission is which is to elect Democrats up and down the ticket from the school board to the Oval Office and to have an every sip code strategy and to make sure organizing every day of every year, not just every fourth summer in the run-up to a presidential cycle. And I think that change of that mission statement the investments in organizing the investments in technology, the investments in voter protection and the partnerships that we've been able to build within the broader ecosystem heaven abled us. I think to really have a great run in twenty eighteen and we are building on those successful elections. Moving forward. You spent a good chunk of your early days as DNC chairman having to both apologize and soothe some of the more disgruntled members of the democratic community. I was reading during twenty eighteen as you're out on the trail. You went and argued this is a quote of yours, we took too many people for granted you specifically noted African Americans that you frequently took them for granted. So I'm wondering how much of your time. Now, are you spending still sort of re-litigating or apologizing or reassuring your democratic constituents and how much of your time is focused forward? Well, I'm a big believer. And my parents taught me this in my work as a prosecutor over many years taught me this that honesty is the best policy and when I got to this job. I thought it was really important to listen. Learn the honest. Reality was the DNC and the Democratic Party fell short in many ways, and my job was to rebuild infrastructure and to rebuild trust. And that's exactly what we have done, and I was very candidate acknowledging our shortcomings and taking ownership of those shortcomings, and you see the reforms we did in twenty eighteen to the super delegate process. We're going to have six states that did caucus last time that'll do primary this time. And as a result more people will vote, I think we've been able to earn people's trust back and trust. Is that something that is timeless journey everything? You do every day. I am here. Making sure that we're fair to everybody. We have to understand that that is a twenty four seven job that is how we build trust in the brand. And I think we've been able to win elections because people understand that it's the Democrats who are fine. Fighting for health care for all its Democrats who are fighting to make sure if diabetic you can keep your health insurance, if you're diabetic we're going to try and bring down the cost of your insulin to Democrats who are fighting for good schools in your neighborhoods, and for frankly in America that works for everybody and people are trusting our brands more people see that we are working hard to treat everyone fairly. And I think we saw those results in the twenty eighteen cycle. We have more work to do now. And that's exactly what we're doing. Okay. So we just heard about a shift in the mission of the DNC and efforts to rebuild trust. But some of the most tangible changes to the process have come in a new set of rules that the DNC will use to govern the nomination process from the debates sixteen candidates who make it in June and July then we'll go eight on consecutive nights. And we will use random selection to to determine who is there a team and b team right? No, no. Varsity? And and this is what we'll do for the first two to the caucuses are nor star? Here is we want to return our power to the grassroots. That's why we will have more primaries and less caucuses, and perhaps most controversially super delegates. I think the best way to do. It is to go back to twenty sixteen. Let's say where two weeks before the Iowa caucus. So not one vote has been cast across America at that point in two thousand sixteen is you turn on the TV. And you would have a indication that candidate a has already amassed four hundred delegates to the convention. The concern was didn't know voters weighed in and ready the existence of super delegates had put some on the scale and put people at an operational disadvantage and so fast forward to January of twenty twenty super delegates will not be counted on the first ballot. Unless a person has gotten the majority of the delegates are ready. And so what that means is on January twentieth. Two thousand twenty nobody has any delegates to the starts off candidate x zero candidate y. Has everybody starts everybody. Even though they may have privately they may have gotten assurances from people who are officials super delegates that they are going to support them. But those super delegates will not count on the first ballot. Unless that person has got the majority of the vote Tom Perez, chairman of the DNC. All right. Let's go through and break down these DNC reforms for twenty twenty one by one first up the super big change to supernova gates. So it delegate is basically a stand in for voters. They represent the regular people. Super delegates aren't awarded based on how a candidate performed in the state or caucus. They are party leaders who get to choose anyone. They want regardless of the votes that candidate one after twenty sixteen many Democrats wanted to get rid of super delegates altogether. Saying those unelected representatives were rigging the system in favor of the establishment favorite, but my colleague Dave Wasserman from the cook report notes that it's the way Democrats allocate the regular delegates those people who represent the voters that's just as problematic for the party. A big reason Donald Trump was able to wrap up the Republican nomination months before his convention was that Republicans give states the leeway to allocate most or all of their delegates on winner take all basis, the Republican party's much more about free markets. Right. And so that really helped Donald Trump win large shares of delegates with small pluralities of the vote, for example. All fifty delegates in South Carolina. Even though he only one thirty two percent of the primary vote there on the democratic side. Everyone's a winner as long as they get fifteen percent support or more. So they get a proportional share of delegates that makes it very very difficult for Democratic Front runner to establish an insurmountable lead and the change in the super delegate rules, which will prohibit them from casting a ballot at the twenty twenty convention unless the outcome is uncertain or deadlocked could actually backfire. The irony is that the rule change might be addressing the wrong problem super delegates could have even more power than before if there's a split convention and no candidate has a majority of delegates which given the front loading of the democratic calendar and the furious pace at which candidates are raising money could very well happen, and even though super delegates aren't allowed to vote on the first ballot. If you have a split convention. They could be the deciders on a second third fourth. Or even successive ballots. So this carries enormous risks for the Democrats. If you still have the party fighting amongst each other with little more than three months to go before the general election you and I have also had conversations about a long drawn out process that could have implications going into the general election in the way, it did in two thousand sixteen where candidate that does not end up winning the nomination, but has a lot of fervent supporters got a lot of delegates may not feel as inclined to rally around the nominee because they feel like over the course of the campaign their candidate was not treated well. Right. And today's Democratic Party is desperate to be Donald Trump. But it's also highly fractious, you have Democrats who don't want a septuagenarian or coastal. Lead to be their nominee. If Democrats who insist on nothing less than green new deal in Medicare for all in disbanding ice. You also have I think a new element of democratic primary voters who are moderate Republicans, whom Trump has converted to Democrats in the last several years. So these groups are at odds, and I don't think there's one democrat out of this zillion way field that's going to make everyone happy a lot of Democrats response to your concerns is we know how important it is to defeat Donald Trump. And at some point it's going to become very clear who the most viable candidate is and our voters will get behind that one person. Are you skeptical that this idea of electability will help to really winnow this field in a reasonable way? Well, that's more or less. What happened in the twenty sixteen Republican primary because Republicans were so desperate to beat Hillary Clinton that they did rally around their front runner in Donald Trump. And if Democrats. Do have a breakout candidate that could happen. But the reality is if Republicans had played out there twenty sixteen primaries under Democrats delegate rules. They would have almost certainly headed to a contested convention. And so the rules really do make a big difference in particularly Democrats proportionality rule. Dave, let's play the scenario out that a number of candidates. We don't know how many it will be but more than to make it into the final round of the primaries and no candidate has been able to capture fifty percent of the delegate vote. But there will be one candidate who has the most raw votes and the most delegates so won't the super delegates. Just go to that person. It depends who that person is right? If it's Bernie Sanders, there will be Democrats in the super delegate realm who don't like the party's lurch to the left. There's also a large contingent that really wants a woman to be the nominee. I think we learned in two thousand eighteen that democratic voters believe the best way to send a message to Trump is to send a woman, and even though a brokered convention in Milwaukee might not be the single most likely scenario, there's a higher than usual chance of that occurring. So these factors really could play into Donald Trump's hands because the longer this process drags out the better for Donald Trump. They're not focusing Democrats aren't focusing their fire exclusively on him. And if we learned anything from twenty sixteen President Trump is an expert when it comes to prying open cracks in the democratic coalition his campaign invested heavily in Facebook ads that depressed enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton. Among certain demographic groups it's possible that there will be deep fissures in the democratic coalition entering the general election. Once again, Finally, I often think that the party's response to the last campaign is often very dangerous right fighting the last war as opposed to looking. Forward. Do you think that Democrats maybe over corrected from twenty sixteen and that they're going to regret the fact that they were thinking too much about that race and not enough about what a twenty twenty contests? Could look like what's possible? The Democrats haven't over corrected, but rather are trying to solve the wrong problem. If you go back to two thousand sixteen Hillary Clinton didn't need super delegates to put her over the top against Bernie Sanders was the perception that the party insiders had gamed the process for her that really damaged her in the general election, but by giving super delegates say only on the second and successive ballots. Democrats could actually be heightening their role. If no one reaches a majority on the first ballot, David Wasserman. Thank you for coming in explaining all of this to us. Thanks so much for having me. Now, one of the first ways that many of us get to see these candidates and action is on the debate stage. But figuring out who gets onto that stage is complicated. And chocked full of political landmines has been kind of deep philosophical question of who really counts as a presidential candidate for a major party. Which is it sounds like it should be an easy question. But turns out to be actually quite complicated. That's as I'm an associate professor of political science at Marquette university. She's taking a look at these new rules, and at I found them to be well a bit confusing. The donation dreadful was misreported and was a little unclear show. I thought it was sixty five thousand dollars, and then it was sixty five thousand donors which was like a little unusual and hard to get my head around. So the rollout of the debate wasn't great now that you do have your head around them walk through it. Okay. So the GNC's debate. Rules. The number of debate. Participants are capped at twenty. Ten it will need to get at least one percent support in three national polls or pose early primary states. Raise money from a minimum of sixty five thousand unique donors from twenty states, and that has to include at least two hundred unique donors per state. There's more than twenty candidates than the party will give preference to candidates who clear both polling and fundraising thresholds. And if they're still more than twenty than invitations will go to candidates who have the highest polling averages if the number is too many for a single debate, and they will have multiple night debates their threshold for too many on a single debate stage was ten. I asked Julia czar if she thinks it's possible to have a productive discussion though with ten people on stage. A large debate is really, you know, you don't get a lot of exchanges. Absolutely get a lot of soundbites quips and things like that. I think it may be possible for some winnowing happen kind of on the bottom. Right. They show who is really not quick on their feet or who hasn't thought through some of the issues that might still come through, but a real substantive exchange between say to people who have thought through the issues where you would democratic primary voters would watch the debate. And think well, you know, do I prefer how Kamala Harris would implement Medicare for all versus Halpern Sanders would implemented. Like, I don't know that that is going to be an exchange. That's going to happen on stage with ten other people in any substantive way. And these rules are already having a ripple effect. I think the one thing that is interesting to me is. The front page story on the Washington Post is about candidates trying to get to sixty five thousand donors. And so yes, so that that unusual rule has seemed to really matter and I've seen on social media people saying mostly Buddha judge that they're they're going to give some money to him because they want him on the debate stage. And I think Andrew gang also got on using that as well. Right. Yeah. And that's and so then that becomes kind of an advertisement and candidates can use their can use this idea of of kind of intraparty debate and democracy and having lots of different voices two to raise money and to raise name recognition. So it's turned out to be the sort of unusual criterion has turned out to be I think a little bit of a, you know, have a little bit of an impact and be kind of interesting twist in this early part of the race with so very many candidates. Some of them nonconventional in this race. Julia Zari isn't. Associate professor of political science at Marquette university and a regular contributor to five thirty eight. It's the takeaway podcast Putin with light to say the liberal world. Order fall apart people of color have always understood that the American dream was a fantasy in an ideal. There is a crisis of institutional decay in our country, the risk of sea level rise are going to sink us before the seas ever. Do is means we have to start doing a work may your rage. Be a force for good daily podcast that breaks through the noise. Subscribe to the takeaway wherever you get your podcasts. Okay. Here's another change that will impact Democrats seeking the presidential nomination. Dnc chairman, Tom Perez told me that some states that previously held caucuses will now hold primaries are nor star here is we want to return our power to the grassroots. That's why we will have more primaries in less caucuses. I firmly believe that when more people participate in primaries have larger participation that's good for our democracy. Sievers some definitions what actually is a caucus. And how's it different from a primary? Well, a caucus is actually meeting you meet at a certain time in a certain place. Whereas primary is vote you go in and you vote privately that's Jeff link. He's participated in a lot of caucuses. We're going to come back to him. But first, let's turn to Jim Messina longtime democratic political strategist Obama twenty twelve campaign manager who thinks it's a good thing that some states such as Minnesota in Colorado are. Swapping the caucus for a primary that alleviates one of the concerns that we're going to nominate someone who's not in the mainstream as you know, candidates Sanders candidate Clinton and all the caucus states and lost most of the primary candidate Obama do really well in the caucus state. He did tremendously lonely caucus states. But we also do pretty well in the open states as well Messina's point is this caucus tend to attract the most committed partisans and activists these are the people who are willing to spend several hours on a random weekday to cast. Just one vote. Those activists tend to be motivated more by ideology, then your everyday primary voter on the democratic side. They're usually much more liberal than the party as a whole on the Republican side. More conservative caucuses are also less expensive for candidates than traditional primaries. That's because the universe of potential voters is also smaller you don't need to spend millions of dollars trying to reach them all on TV the most famous or infamous caucus, however is not going away. That caucus, of course, is Iowa after the problems of 2016 Democrats in the state have made some reforms on things like transparency of votes cast and an ability to cast a ballot without having to show up at a caucus. I asked Jeff link about the role that Iowa plays in the presidential nominating process has been a place where those who beat expectations can sometimes become the winner in with this large field. I think everyone sort of expects the current front runners of Biden in Sanders to do well in there is a huge opening for any of the other eighteen candidates like who gets third does one of the names that are not so familiar now get second or actually win the caucuses. So we could see somebody come from nowhere or the other is not that someone unexpectedly. Well, but that a candidate does unexpectedly poorly could. It's a double edged sword. One of the scariest things to have in Iowa is an early lead. Because you've gotta maintain that lead. And if you don't I mean, remember Howard Dean in two thousand four was a head for a long time in Iowa and dropped at the last minute and John Kerry ended up winning and really the dean campaign spiraled downhill very quickly after that d-, you feel it when you're in your own caucus. There's get an actual energy there for a can it can you really get a sense of. I think so and so really is going to win this thing, you absolutely do in tell you one story from two thousand eight I was at my precinct Senator Harkin happen to show up with Senator Durbin from Illinois, the Clinton people all showed up the Obama people were kind of milling around. But there was a line that extended from the gymnasium all the way out the door literally outside and that was the line for people trying to. Register to vote and I remember walking Senator Durbin out the hallway to look at the line. And I said, I think your candidates going to have a very good night tonight. Obviously, Barack Obama surprised a lot of people by winning the Iowa caucuses, but you could feel it in the room at our precinct. Kathleen is a democratic strategist from Iowa. Will. So far we've been talking about new rules that will impact the democratic candidates running for president official ones that is decided by the Democratic National Committee, but here's one that's not exactly official. I'm not taking a dime of Pac money in this campaign. Making a single check from federal lobbyist. Then of course, is Senator Elizabeth Warren, and she's not alone pretty much every major democratic candidate has said, they will refuse corporate pack money, Maggie seven's. A reporter who covers money in politics said there does seem to be a new set of rules for financing campaigns. This time around you know, I would say that there are some new rules, and they're kind of rooted in the previous presidential election where we saw some really interesting things going on most notably. We saw Trump really running on this kind of idea of draining the swamp, you know, and I think that one thing we learned from the last election is that voters are really concerned about corruption and they're really concerned about money. And so one thing that you're seeing this cycle is a lot of Democrats as they enter the field. They're putting all these rules on how they raise money, and they're doing this to really make a statement saying, you know, I'm not the candidate of the rich. It wasn't. Just Donald Trump who ran on. The his message was basically you can't buy me off. Because I got it my own money. Right. Nobody. I don't have special interests any also sort of exposed to the game. Right. I was one of those donors. I get it you give money to get access. So he was sort of the truth teller and the other truth teller was Bernie Sanders who also ran on this. My average contribution is twenty seven dollars. Now, we go to twenty eighteen so many Democrats swore off corporate funding them, and I remember talking to a lot of worried democratic strategist he said, they're never going to be able to raise enough money. They were proven wrong. A lot of these first time candidates raise five six seven million dollars through small dollar donations or without corporate packs to a rogue raised eighty million dollars taking no pack money. But how likely is it that these candidates running for president who need to raise tens of millions of dollars are going to be able. To raise that kind of money without tapping into traditional sources of funding. That's and that's really the hot question right now. And I think that when I talk to a lot of strategist and campaign consultants. You know, it's interesting because everyone would love to have tens of millions of dollars and not have to raise any of it. That's kind of the dream. And in a way, that's what I I mean that isn't what Sanders did in two thousand sixteen but he really his campaign caught fire, and he had tons of people who are giving him lots of money and twenty seven dollar increments. I think a lot of other campaigns right now is they're getting going see being in his position. It's really a luxury that they can't afford. And so for them, it's kind of saying how much can we get from the small dollar donations, and how much do we have to get from everywhere else? So I've kind of used Jay Inslee as one example, you know, a lot of people say why does he's kind of one of the candidates who has superpac helping him one of very few at this point. Why does Jay Inslee have a super Pac will no one a lot of people? Don't know James Lee is he's the governor of Washington. He really needs name ID. He doesn't have a Bernie Sanders army of people who are going to help him out. And so he's someone who has wealthy donors shortly after he announced someone did a one million dollar ad by an Iowa that's going to help get Jay Inslee name out there. And so I think for a lot of people there's this combination. No one knows the answer. But what you're seeing campaigns do in action, which kind of shows what their theory of the cases is really this hybrid. You know, comma, Harris is a good example, she someone who's kind of proving to be a powerhouse. She's holding multiple campaign fundraisers every week with a lot of wealthy donors. There are a lot of people who seem to be ready to back her bid. They find her to be really inspiring. And part of the reason that wealthy people. Find her to be inspiring because they saw her campaign launch was really packed in Oakland. And they think that she's a really interesting person, you know, and liberals think oh Kamla has a lot of grassroots energy. And so, you know, she could really be the nominee, and so they wanna lineup and support her. But she also is someone who's really working hard to get those small dollar donors up. I think everyone, you know, Democrats are. Are all really jealous of the Bernie Sanders work model right now. But I don't think most people think that they could do a full campaign. I also want to figure out then we have all these unwritten rules, so polices them who decides which candidate has gone outside the bounds. So to speak of the right kind of fund raising, you know, okay? Well, you're not taking corporate pack money. But this person who's the CEO of a big pharmaceutical company is doing a fundraiser for you is that going to be policed by the individual candidates by reporters like you by outside groups. How's that going to work? It seems like it's going to be all the above. I think that the you've heard a little bit from the candidates policing each other because they certainly, you know, if you if you're going to voluntarily say, I'm not going to do this. You're not going to let someone else off the hook. And it's been a pretty friendly primary so far but not on this like. They're kind of willing to nudge each other a little bit on this issue because I think that it is potent. And it's you know, and I'm thinking when I say this of Warren in particular is willing to kind of point out what she's doing kind of point out what other people are doing. I think that groups sometimes, you know, you have groups like citizens United out there for the most part. There's no real militant there's no kind of pita of campaign finance group. That's interested in kind of saying everyone has to do X Y Z. But I think there are groups that are interested in kind of playing in this space, and you know, it's becoming space that's going to be self policing, which means it's going to be wild. I think the question of is it fair to have if you say that you don't take corporate pack money is it fair to have all of these individuals from these companies giving your campaigns. I think that ultimately kind of if voters start getting angry about that. Then candidates are going to have to move on it, and what this is all kind of building. Towards by the way, and sense is alternately one of these people is going to be running against Trump. And I think that it's Democrats have kind of shown over the last since basically since he ran for president, you know, kind of a failure to launch really salient lines of attack on him. And I think that there's kind of this implication, when you really dig into some of the strategy and the thinking behind this, you know, yes, this is a primary issue, and it's a really becoming a key primary issue for people. But also, there's thinking I think among a lot of Democrats that this is going to be really really crucial to when it comes to defeating him is having someone who can have a certain degree of purity about them and be able to really kind of dislodge him and come at him and the family connections, the Trump industry the whole idea that he is corrupt president. How exactly that anti-trump message eventually gets honed and defined it'll depend on the candidate. But I think that that's where. A lot of this is going Maggie. Thank you so much for coming in and talking to me. Thank you for having me. Now, you submarines covers money in politics for politico. Let's out of it was curious what the role of the DNC is these days, and how it's changed the last twenty five years, and for that I brought in my friend, small Simmons. I'm a host on hill TV and a democratic strategist. So I've had a lot of conversations with people who were involved with the DNC the last time the Democrats unseated a sitting Republican president which was nineteen Ninety-two on this day. High hopes and bravehearts and massive numbers. The American people have voted to make a new beginning. The role of the DNC at that period. They were pretty clear was to set the table for the nominee. It's figure out where the key voters are in which states which takes over winnable where those voters are pull all the lists together. Do some research on the Republican president and start to find some messaging that could work going after that president. So laying the groundwork for how do you actually campaign against the sitting president? So that I think that's still be a smart role for the DNC to start to do those things. What's different now? Obviously, the money is very different. I was just looking back at two thousand four I was involved in the campaign that raised a million dollars in the first week. And we thought that was an impressive number. Don't raise that in the first ten hours. Exactly, listen a million dollars in the first day, you're loser. And now a million dollars isn't even really that much between beta and Bernie they've they've really done five and six times that amount of money to the money's different less of it's going to the party more of it's coming from small dollar donors. Now, the party can still raise money from some of the wealthier donors that may be candidates. Don't wanna be seen with very often. So you may see more money from the big tech companies. The big Wall Street giant, you may see them going to the Democratic Party instead of going to the nominees actual account. That's a different state of play out some campaigns. There were also these unwritten rules between the parties about what was acceptable, and what was unacceptable. What you could do what you couldn't do. And Donald Trump, obviously, broke that mold. So what advice do you have for democratic candidates? Now, we're talking. Post primary going up against a president and a campaign that is not following any of the traditional rules. How do you prepare for that? And how do you respond to that? One of my rules about politics that I learned from Bill Clinton a long time ago is that there is no referee in politics. There's nobody calling balls strikes or files nobody giving out penalty yards. And that kind of thing when you get attacked you have to respond, and how you respond depend on which campaign, which maybe which candidate is is the nominee. But you can't choose not to respond. I think John Kerry maybe learned that lesson the hard way in two thousand four when he was being swift boated you've got to fight back. You know, one big thing that is different today than was true in, you know, ten years ago, or even is there's much more focus on the staff and the supporters of. Candidate than there used to be used to be a little bit of an unspoken rule that you know, we're not really going to my campaigns. It's not gonna Tak your deputy campaign manager unless that person does something that's really flagrant that she wanna to go after. But we're not running up projects on staffers. I'm not sure that's holding. That's I mean, that's something. People now are much more willing to go after staffers they'll go after donors pretty much everybody in the arena is now fair game. And do you think this also happens in a primary where it's not simply the staffers, but who the staffers are there's been a really concerted effort by many of these candidates to show that they have diverse staff. They have women sitting at the table. They have people of color sitting in positions of influence how much of that is going to be important d think to voters it matters. Because those candidates are going to end up having to deal with issues wherever they are that will be much more pungent than they were before. So if there's an issue that impacts, let's say criminal Justice reform Clinton face this right in two thousand sixteen whoever the candidates could get a question about black lives matter in New Hampshire where aren't that many black voters? But if there aren't people around they haven't thought through the question, and they get that question wrong in New Hampshire. People in South Carolina, and Alabama and Michigan and other states are all going to know it. And so you just gotta have a staff built that's prepared to deal with the current ebb and flow of the Democratic Party. I've gotten a couple of calls from from friends who are thinking about working on campaigns, and they are worried about their personal professional history. So for instance, someone worked for a Bank a Wall Street Bank. And now they want to go back and do a campaign. And so the question is do you think that I'll be attacked become an issue in the campaign because I used to work for XYZ Bank. And now somebody on the other side will say look at this candidate being influenced by these bankers interesting. Yeah. So. Talked about previously. The other thing that Democrats are talking about a lot which to me feels brand new are some of these process arguments about structurally about our political system the electoral college size of the supreme court voting age. And these are the things that activists talked about all the time. And sometimes they'd get raised. You know, if you've been on a campaign trail, you've heard people raise some of these issues, but I've never seen a time. Where so many candidates themselves are also openly saying, yes, we need to get rid of the electoral college. Yes, we need to expand the size of the supreme court. Yes, we need to get rid of the filibuster. So one thing you hear lose with Warren talk about this. She used this speech at Morgan state university earlier this year time to change the rules the way I see this. We have to make change it's up to us. Roles matter. And you you have the power to make this country a more perfect union to make it be the nation. You want it to be? It's not just about playing the game better. We actually have to change the rules of the game because they get the rules of the game may be tilted away from working people, and the mass majority of the people in the country this idea that that our group is being this advantage by these rules that have been put in place for so long. And so we're going to have to not again, not just play the game better. But also change the rules. Donald Trump has similar perspective from the conservative side, the right who are people who think the rules have been stacked against a bunch of these disaffected workers around the country truly white workers around the country. And so it's interesting that I think what is happening is. Because there so many benefits that are being crewed by people at the top of the income scale everyone else is feeling behind and left out of the of the game. The question if you're democrat or Republican conservative or or progressive is who do you blame do you blame government and the lobbyists? And all the people who are the government insiders. Do you blame big business? And the folks who are at the top who are Wall Street and who are making all these decisions. And I think who you blame the termines what side of the of the aisle, you're on. Simmons. Thank you so much for coming in and talking to me you for having me great to be here. All right. Here's my take. When it comes to covering a primary. The media spends most of its time focused on the candidates their personalities their policies. Of course, there blunders, but winning candidates spent a lot of their time focused on the unsexy stuff. How to leverage the rules to their advantage, for example, back in two thousand eight Barack Obama's campaign realized early on that delegate rules meant that the caucus. We're going to give them a big chunk of delegates even though they didn't garner as much media attention as big primary states like Pennsylvania, Texas this year. Democrats have lots of new written and unwritten rules to figure out how to raise lots of money without looking beholden to corporatists or the one percenters had get on the debate stage now to make the most of that opportunity, and how to convince primary voters that they won the process bear in square as we saw in two thousand sixteen winning the primary is only one part of the challenge. For the nominee here. She then has to keep the party unified, and inspired all the way through the general election. That's all for us today. Thanks so much for listening. This is politics with Amy Walter from the takeaway, see you next week. Hey, thank you so much for listening to the takeaway with news said such a rapid pace. We really appreciate you choosing to listen to us. We're proud of what we're doing. And we're always striving to improve our coverage. 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Politics with Amy Walter: The Democratic National Committee's 2020 Transformation
"Hey it's amy walter you're listening to politics with amy walter from the take away i'm happy fourth of july weekend we hope you all have a safe happy and restful break today show is in encore edition of the program that originally aired back in march all about the reforms made by the democratic national committee to the presidential nomination process now that we have one round of debates under a belt i thought it'd be helpful to listen back for some context antsy how these new rules those are working in practice i'll popping from time to time for some uptodate analysis so just sit back relax and enjoy the show following the election of donald trump in twenty sixteen the democratic national committee henceforth referred to as the dnc got a lot of flack from what we viewed as monumental failure an for democrats it was but understand what happened on election night in twenty sixteen in how the dnc's working to avoid a repeat of that in twenty twenty we have to go back four score and seven years ago fathers brought forth on this continent not that far let set the scene twenty fifteen hillary clinton is the heirapparent for the democratic nomination big names like vice president biden and elizabeth warren decided not to run and she faces a little known vermont senator large so part of the casino capitalists process by which sold view so much and so many so little no adult bernie sanders of course he's a self described democratic socialist who no one in establishment politics took very seriously fast forward to early twenty sixteen on the verge of the very important first caucus state pilot clear victory for clinton would finally put insurgents sanders campaign tibet that's not what hillary clinton got i stand here tonight breathing a sigh of relief that wall of sensitive very profound message to the political establishment wilcox's were on february first not only was the result close with clinton winning by a hair but there were allegations of fraud recounted everywhere were weird how or why an ultimately the sanders campaign lasted much longer than anyone could have imagined sanders didn't formally endorsed clinton until july twelfth just two weeks before the democratic national convention invention and just four months before the general election do everything i can to make certain she will be the next person that endorsement democrats hoped to move forward as a unified coalition underweight of philadelphia for the convention that also didn't happen on july twenty second days before the convention dnc emails were leaked showing a biased by the party against sanders like these foot princeton it's not a dnc conspiracy it's because of the standards campaign never had their act together aunt must be a bernie bro that leaked forced the resignation of them chairwoman debbie wasserman schultz the florida representative was even booed during a breakfast for her states delegation sanders supporters were enraged intentions reached a boiling point on july twenty six when they walked out of the convention in protest that sentiment from some surrogates and supporters never dissipated during or after the primary one campaign the clinton campaign with able to control all of economics within the dnc the process was rigged elections are great you're gonna play tricks like this who or you since you wanna go there this is really about a dnc that lack of accountability and transparency cheery so was the press that's redundant hillary clinton's favor in twenty sixteen you know i'm not sure amy the answer mattered that conference dnc chairman if people believe that the process in twenty sixteen teen was designed or implemented in a way that helps hillary clinton then that's game set and match and that's where trust gets undermined president's elected chairman of the dnc in twenty seventeen and his mission is to ensure that twenty twenty isn't a repeat of twenty sixteen that doesn't just mean winning it means reinstalling faith in the system for democrats and the dnc has done a lot of work on this front you know i'm a firm believer that when you lose elections at scale you gotta watch the games they'll figure out what went wrong and a addressing i talked with chairman prince recently about the reforms the dnc has undertaken we have doubled are commitment to a fifty state strategy we made unprecedented investments in this midterm cycle that enabled us to have historic gains up and down the ballot across the country i'm proud of our investments in kansas and i'm proud of our investments in industrial midwest i'm proud of our investments in latino african american and asian american communities i'm proud of our investments in rural america that enabled us to make real gains were also dramatically overhauling our technology infrastructure what what is here at the dnc now in terms of technology is night and day different and better from what we had even two years ago and so we learned a hard lesson in the lessons where this number one you have to be a fifty state party number two you have to be a twelve month a year party all politics is personal personal you've gotta develop relationships you can't show up a month before the election remind people about that transactional politics that's not relational politics in because we helped build in every state infrastructure because democrats were organizing and every zip code you look at how governors races land in places like michigan wisconsin and elsewhere a you look two years earlier and how secretary clinton didn't do as well in these areas in democrats this time around were able to do much better we went to school on what had happened in the preceding eight years and we've learned from it and were continuing to win elections and i'm bullish going into twenty twenty but i'm also very very mindful of the fact back but we have more work to do you do believe that it was infrastructure more then it was like canada that was a problem for the democrats in twenty sixteen well i think the you have to ask a broader question amy what happened over the course of years that resulted in the loss of roughly a thousand net seats in state legislatures and we had sixty seats when brock obama took office in the senate we ended up with forty eight at the end of twenty sixteen we we had far more governorships and we lost a those we were losing elections up and down the ballot so the question we asked wasn't simply what happened in twenty sixteen the question was what took place in the years leading up to twenty sixteen an end what took place this you know we became as a dnc the party whose mission was solely to elect a democratic president every four years as opposed to what are current mission is which is to elect democrats up and down the ticket from the school board today oval office into having every zip code strategy in to make sure were organizing everyday of every year not just every force summer in the run up to a presidential cycle and i think the change of that mission statement investments in organizing investments in technology investments in voter protection in the partnerships that we've been able to build within the broader ecosystem i have an abled us i think to really have a great run in twenty twenty eighteen and we are building on those successful elections moving forward you spent a good chunk of you're early days as dnc chairman having to both apologize and sued semaj they more disgruntled members of the democratic community i was reading during twenty eighteen as you're out on the trail you went and argued this is a quote of your's we took too many people for granted you specifically noted african and americans that you frequently took them for granted so i'm wondering how much of your time and now are you spending still sort of real litigating or apologizing or reassuring you're democratic constituents and how much of your time is focused forward well i'm a big believer in my parents taught me this in my work as a prosecutor over many years taught me this that honesty is the best policy and when i got to this job i thought it was really important to listen and learn honest reality was the dnc in the democratic party fell short in many ways and my job was to rebuild infrastructure answer rebuild trust and that's exactly exactly what we have done and i was very candid and acknowledging are shortcomings in taking ownership of the shortcomings and you see the reforms we did in twenty eight teen to the super delegate process were gonna have six states that did caucuses last time that'll do a primary this time and as a result more people will vote i think we've been able to earn people's trust back in and trust is that something that is a timeless journey everything you do every day i am here a making sure that were fair to everybody we have to understand that that is eight twenty four seven job that is how we build trust in the brand and i think we've been able to win elections because people understand that it's the democrats who are fighting for healthcare for all it's the democrats who are fighting to make sure if you're diabetic in keep her health insurance if you're diabetic were gonna try and bring down the cost of you're insulin it's the democrats to are fighting for good schools new neighborhoods and and for frankly and america that works for everybody and people are trusting are brands more people see that we are working hard to treat everyone fairly and i think we saw those results in the twenty eighteen cycle we have more work to do now and that's exactly what we're doing okay so we just heard about a shift in the mission of the dnc in efforts to rebuild trust but some of the most tangible changes to the process has come in a new set of rules that the dnc we used to govern the nomination process from the debates if they're sixteen canada to make it in june and july then will go eight they on consecutive nights and we will use random selection to determined who is there now eighteen nbp right no by no maybe versity and and this is what will do it for the first two to the caucuses are northstar here is we wanna return power to the grassroots that's why we all have more primaries unless kakissis in perhaps most controversially super down again i think the best way to do it is to go back to twenty sixteen let's say were two weeks before our caucus so not one vote there's been cast across america at that point in twenty sixteen is you turn on the tv annually and have a indication that kennedy hey has already amassed four hundred delegates to the convention and the concern was didn't know voters weighed in an already the existence of super delegates said put some on the scale and it put people at and operational disadvantage and so fast forward to january of twenty twenty super delegates will not be counted on the first ballot unless a person has gotten the majority of lee delegates already and so what that means is on january twentieth two thousand twenty nobody has any delegates to the right so it starts off kennedy exa zero kennedy why has there everybody starts at everybody's got even though they may have privately they may have gotten assurances says from people who are officials super delegates they're gonna support them but those super delegates will not count on the first ballot unless that person has got running the majority of the vote tom parental chairman of the dnc see all this hour were talking about were forms undertaken by the democratic national committee to make the twenty twenty nomination process better dnc chairman tom press talked about the debates caucuses versus primaries and super delegates so delicate is basically a stand in for voters they represent the regular people super delegates are worded based on how kennedy performed in the state or cock as their party leaders who get to choose anyone they want regardless of the votes that canada one after twenty sixteen many democrats want it to get rid of super delegates altogether saying those unelected representatives were rigging the system in favor of the establishment favorite but my colleague dave wasserman from the cook report notes that it's the way democrats allocate the regular delegates those people who represent the voters that justice problematic for the party or a big reason donald trump trump was able to wrap up the republican nomination months before his convention was that republicans give states the leeway to allocate most or all of their delegates unin winner take all basis the republican party's much more about free markets it's right and so that really helped donald trump win large shares of delegates with small plurality of the vote for example you want all fifty delegates in south carolina even though he only won thirty two percent of the primary vote there on the democratic side everyone's a winner as long as they get fifteen percent of support or more so they get a proportional share of delegates that makes it very very difficult for a democratic front runner to establishing insurmountable we'd end the changing the super delegate rules which will prohibit them from casting a ballot at the twenty twenty convention and leslie outcome is uncertain or deadlocked could actually backfire be irony is that the rule change might be addressing the wrong problem super delegates could have even more power than before if there's split convention and no candidate has a majority of delegates which given the front loading of the democratic calendar in the furious pace sit which candidates raising money could very well happen an even though super delegates aren't allowed to vote on the first ballot if you have a split convention they could be the siders on second third fourth or even successive ballots so this carey's enormous risks for the democrats if you still have the party fighting amongst each other without a little more than three months to go before the general election you and i have also had conversations about it long drawn out process s that could have implications going into the general election in the way it did in twenty sixteen where a candidate that does not end up winning the nomination but has a lot of fervent supporters got a lot lot of delegates may not feel as inclined to rally around the nominee because they sort of feel like over the course of the campaign their candidate was not treated well right and today's democratic party is desperate to beat donald trump but it's also highly fractious you have democrats who don't want a septa generic in or a coastal elite to be their nominee you have democrats who insist on nothing less than a green new deal and medicare for all and disbanding ice you also have i think a new element of democratic primary voters who are moderate republicans whom trump has converted to democrats in the last several years so these groups were at odds an i don't think there's one democrat out of this zillion way field that's gonna make everyone happy a lot of democrats response to your concerns is we know how important it is to defeat donald trump and at some point it's going to become very clear who the most viable candidate is an are voters will get behind that one person are you skeptical that this idea of electability will help to really winnow this field in any reasonable way well that's more or less what happened in the twenty sixteen republican primary because republicans were so desperate to beat hillary clinton that they did rally around their front runner in donald trump at if democrats do have a breakout candidate that could happen but the reality is if republicans had played played out there twenty sixteen primaries under democratic delegate rules they would have almost certainly headed to a contested convention and so the rules really do make a big difference and particularly democrats proportionality rule dave let's play the scenario out that a number of candidates we don't know how many will be but more then to make it into the final round of the primaries and no kennedy has been able to capture fifty percent of the delicate vote but there will be one candidate who has the most robbed votes in the most delegates so won't the super delegates just go to that person depends who that person is right if it's bernie sanders there will be democrats in the super delegates realm who don't like the party's lurch to the left there's also a large contingent that really wants a woman to be the nominee i think we learned in twenty eighteen that democratic voters believe the best way to send a message to trump is descend a woman an and even though it brokered convention in milwaukee might not be the single most likely scenario there's a higher than usual chance of that occurring so these factors really could play into donald trump's hands because the longer this process drags out the better for donald trump they're not focusing democrats are focusing their fire exclusively on him and if we learned anything from twenty sixteen president trump is an expert when it comes to prying open cracks in the democratic coalition his campaign investing heavily in facebook ads that depressed enthusiasm for hillary clinton among certain demographic groups it's possible that there will be deep fissures in the democratic coalition entering the general election once again do you think that democrats maybe over corrected from twenty sixteen and that they're gonna regret the fact that they were thinking too much about that race and not enough about what a twenty twenty contest could look like what's possible the democrats haven't overcorrected but rather are trying to solve the wrong problem if you go back to twenty sixteen hillary clinton didn't need super delegates to put her over the top against bernie sanders the perception that the party insiders head gamed named the process for her that really damaged her in the general election but by giving super delegates say only on the second and successive ballots democrats could actually be heightening their role if no one reaches a majority on the first ballot david wasserman thank you for coming in explaining all of this to us thanks so much for having me we've been talking about reforms the dnc has undertaken in his nomination process and last week we gotta look at how those changes actually played out during the first round of democratic debates there had to be two nights of debates with ten people on stage which meant that at most most a candidate got about ten minutes just speak that's alexandra jeffey a political reporter for the associated press she was in miami watching the debates first hand and when we spoke afterward i asked her about whether or not this format worked it worked about as as well as it could have considering the size of the field i mean part of the problem wits a the qualification metrics where they were low enough that twenty people were able to qualify on on sort of both metrics up pulling end fund raising a that set candidates were still able to make sort of the most of the little time that they got we saw some breakout moment from candidates i think a lot of americans probably hadn't been introduced to before i mean andrew yang did get his time and the sun to speak yesterday even marianne williamson interjected herself into the debate a bit a i think it was sort of the best they could be expected considering then we'll be fields were looking at what did the campaigns think about this in terms and the numbers of people on stage they campaigns were a little bit frustrated with the lack of time i heard in particular from bernie sanders campaign that they felt that he got it much better with a longer time to speak and they were sort of looking forward to future debates for that opportunity eddie a they felt he couldn't get deep into the weeds on policy in a way that he wanted to with just you know thirty seconds of follow up and alexander what do you think see audience for this debate thought about these two nights you know i wasn't able to speak with any audience members in the crowd particularly but i was talking to friends i was texting with family members and all of them did wanna see more of the candidates they were a little bit taken aback by how much it devolved as candidates tried to get their time during the second night and so felt that they they just didn't have enough time to really get introduced to these candidates which if you think about it is simply good i mean that's exactly what these candidates you know especially the second tier candidates want it to come out of the second first night of debates they they want it sort of voters want more in an going online and researching about them so overall though i think it was frustrating all around 'em it's definitely increased interest in the primary which which was of course the guilt summit goal right so at the end of the day do you think than the dnc comes out of this first round of debates looking pretty good i think they did about as well as could be expected considering the circumstances i mean there is still frustration of course with steve bullock not making it on that first debate and they saw a lot of tweets heard a lot of comments even from some advisers there that he he should have been part of the conversation but things change qualification sort of requirements shift for the next debate end bullock's team seems pretty confident he's gonna make it on stage and those qualifications will probably actually winnow down the field quite a bit so we may also get more time for the candidates and put some of those concerns from their campaigns to bad yeah can you walk us through the qualifications as we move into the next round of debates shore so candidates will need at least two percent support in for pools a in one hundred and thirty thousand donors and that's unique donors a with at least four hundred each in twenty states so that sort of spans the number of donors expands the map and also expand support in the polls which you know you gotta say if you're not hitting those metrics in september it's hard to argue that you're not serious player in the primary right but it's likely as we go to the end of july debate that there still will need to be two nights there'll be too many candidates to fit on one stage is that fair to say at this point i i would say it's fair to say unless anybody craters 'em especially if they if they do when i give the candidates a little bit more time to talk and get into some nuance so it it will still be another big debate just 'cause this is a huge field accenture jaffe he thank you so much for sitting down with me talking through this yeah absolutely thanks for having me okay here's another change that will impact democrats seeking the presidential nomination dnc chairman tom perez told me that some states that previously previously held caucuses will now hold primaries are northstar here is we wanna return power to the grassroots that's why we will have more primaries unless caucuses i firmly believe that when more people participate in primaries have larger participation dissipation that's good for our democracy some some definitions what actually is a cock s and how is it different from a primary well a caucus is actually a meeting you meet at a certain time in a certain place where as a primary is a vote you go in and you vote privately that's jeff link he's participated in a lot of caucuses were gonna come back to him but first let's turn the jim messina longtime democratic political strategist obama twenty twelve campaign manager who thinks it's a good thing that that some states such as minnesota in colorado are swapping the caucus for a primary that alleviates one of the concerns that we're gonna nominate someone who's not in the mainstream as you know kennedy sanders be kennedy clinton and all the cock estates and lost and most of the primary cindy and accounted obama do really well in the state is tremendously will orchestras we also do pretty well new immigrants is well messina's point is this caucuses tend to attract the most committed partisans and activist these are the people who are willing to spend several hours on a random week data cast just one vote those active is tend to be motivated more by ideology that in your everyday primary voter on the democratic side they're usually much more liberal than the party as a whole on the republican side more conservative if caucuses are also less expensive for candidates then traditional primaries that's because the universe of potential voters is also smaller you don't need to spend millions of dollars trying to reach them all on tv the most famous or infamous some is caucus however is not going away that caucus of course is iowa after the problems of twenty sixteen democrats in the state have made some reforms on things like transparency of votes cast an inability to cast a ballot without having a show about caucus i ask jeff link a long time i would democratic strategist about the role that i will place in the presidential nominating process iowa has been a place where those who beat expectations sometimes sometimes become winner in with this larger field i think everyone sort of expects the current front runners of biden in sanders to do well in there is a huge opening for any you other eighteen canada it's like who gets third just one of the names that are not so familiar now get second or actually win the caucuses so we could see somebody come from nowhere or any other is not that someone does unexpectedly piddly well but that canada's unexpectedly hordley it could it's a double edged sword one of the scariest things have an iowa is in early league because you've gotta maintain that leads and if you don't i mean remember howard dean in two thousand four was ahead for a long time in iowa and dropped at the last minute and john kerry ended up winning in really the dean champagne spiraled downhill very quickly after that feel it when you're in you're own caucus there's like an actual energy there for it can it can you really get a sense of i think so and so really is gonna win this thing you absolutely do in i'll tell you one story from two thousand eight i was at my precinct senator hearken happened to show up with senator durbin from illinois the clinton people all showed up they obama people were kind of milling around but there was a line that extended from the gymnasium all the way way out the door literally outside in that was the line for people trying to register to vote and i remember walking senator durbin out the hallway look at the line and i said i think you're chanted it's gonna have a very good night tonight obviously brock obama surprised a lot of people by winning the guy wilcox's but you could feel it in the room at are precinct jeff link is a democratic strategist from iowa has been a well i try and then you know you know oh it's a new era in earlier this year i talked with politico reporter maggie severance about the ways in which merging democratic candidates were trying to set themselves apart by swearing off outside corporate pack money one thing you're seeing this cycle is a lot of democrats as they enter the field they're putting all these rules on how they raise money and they're doing this to really make a statement saying you know i'm not the candidate of the rich three months later the first debate star in the rear view mirror and the results of the second quarter fundraising are right around the corner so check back in with maggie see how the crowded field of democratic hopefuls has managed to balance early campaign pledges with the realities of running a presidential campaign as the campaign wears is on i think they canada it's really want those same things they still want to be you know staying away from corporate tax they still really wanna be you know pleasing voters that want them to not take this corporate money but they all really need to be raising a ton of money and there's this increasing pressure at a show that you're the kind of canada and raise a ton of money and what i will caucus is still seven months away these campaigns need to be able to finance their operations through february and beyond candidates are having to hold more and more fundraiser some of them are really doing it at breakneck pace and they're having to take all these kind of steps in the direction of raising more big money well trained is still kind of cling to their ethics and so that tension is just kind of building on the campaign trail you know one thing that we saw recently is that bernie sanders is for the first time holding big in person fundraising events and that doesn't mean that you know bernie sanders is now kind of in the pocket of only big donors but what it does mean is that during the twenty sixteen campaign sanders raise money almost exclusively online and he is going to start holding these in person events and that kind of for the first time gives wealthy people be opportunity to show up and shake hands with bernie sanders and some of those kind of in person a back and forth exchanges are gonna start to happen end is the same happening with someone like elizabeth warren who's also been very vocal about her desire to issue money from corporate or other they're special interests so warrant is again she's you know really sticking to her principles she really outlined these things that she's not going to do and she has next sanders done at the most to kind of say i'm not going to hold any closed door fundraisers but one thing that we've seen from the warrant team is that other members of her teams and not elizabeth warren kind of other people might be in touch with people wellconnected individuals say you know in hollywood earth bay area other people who say hey i wanna raise money for elizabeth warren and they kind of be reaching out to the campaign saying how do i do this how do i do fundraisers so you're seeing a desire for her campaign to have those big checks coming in right now they're competing with twenty two ish other people it's no longer just a one on one kind of competition yeah and you know they're competing with joe biden who is this huge gonna be this huge fundraising juggernaut you know we don't know exactly how much he's going to raise we won't know that until midjuly and joe biden is expected to be really top of the field he has all these connections from these obama fundraisers and other folks who've just known him for a really long time and in addition to that biden has indicated he's actually been able to build up a grassroots network i think he he said that he has two hundred thousand donors who have given lesson two hundred dollars a piece 'em he's also taken a really interesting indifferent stab which is that his campaign announced that it would be holding closed or fundraisers was rich donors but it decided that it would be having eight press pool at those events 'em and it's for a limited part of the fundraiser it's not like you got to kind of walk around and ask everyone questions and see everything that happens and another thing is that it has kind of how to feed this allusion of biden as a front runner you know oppressed fools traditionally reserved for a president and by by doing this so early on it's kind of helped feed this image of biden is being the front runner in the race but as you've also noted because you were actually pool recently 'em being transparent also means that reporters here you say a lot of things that you might not necessarily have been saying in a speech or press conference yes so last month biden was in a fundraiser andy he made a couple of references to working with the southern segregation was democrats while he was in the senate and those got him in some real trouble you know he was trying ahead of both about his ability to work with anyone 'em end instead it really kind of fed this image of biden is being h candidate who is kind of stuck in the past a be racially insensitive bite in the next day and this is kind what i was doing a pool he refused to kind of bend or walk back those comments he wouldn't do another fundraiser and he made them again he doubled down on his comments having having distressful has worked for him at a number of ways but for him for joe biden i think that some people thought that it would help kind of keep him on message when he was at these events but 'em lately he has been going off message anyway and then the things he says get blasted out to dozens and dozens of national reporters and they wind up on twitter and they wind up in the press a little bit about what's going on on the other side it was reported soon after the president's had his reelection kickoff in orlando that he had raised something like twenty five million dollars in twenty four hours yeah so this is a real area of concern for a lot of democrats because you know he raises money from big donors but trump also has huge amounts of small dollar support and people who are really supportive supportive of him and he has now a year to keep raising money for his campaign and keep building out a campaign infrastructure before the democrats decide on a nominee end so it's gonna be a big operation it's not going to be like the first time the trump ran for president president when he kind of had this kind of ragtag campaign operation and wasn't really about the money that's not really why trump got elected this time he's really embracing the money side of things and embracing that that's part of what you need to get things done i'm curious what you think of this my theory is that once they next quarter filings are made public that we may see a thinning of the democratic field do you expect to see something like that that that this next quarters filing is maybe the last four number of candidates you have to think so andy you can kind of it's so tempting to guess who some of those candidates are but i'm not gonna go but it's hard to run a campaign i think that it's hard to keep raising money when people are getting behind her campaign and you know at the start of this year a lot of these senators could transfer five ten million dollars in the senate account and that gave them a really nice cushion to go on a run on at the higher staff and get really get these campaigns going you know as the year goes on someone like a christian gillibrand is one example is you know she's gonna keep spending down this campaign account but if she can't be raising huge amounts of money to compete with someone like sanders who raised eighteen million dollars in the first quarter biden who will probably surpass that level in his second quarter you know you can't compete with that if you're in the second or the third tier which typically be second and third tier tend to be half that if if that it's just hard to stay in the race severance thank you so much for coming in and talking with me thank you for having me to mount a bit i was curious what the role of the dnc is these days and how it's changed over the last twenty five years after that i brought in my friend small simmons i'm a host on hill tv in a democratic strategist strategist so i've had a lot of conversations with people who were involved with the dnc the last time the democrats unseated hey sitting republican president which was nineteen ninety two on this guy where hi hold bravehearts in massive numbers they american people have voted to make a new beginning bowl the dnc in that period they were pretty clear was to set the table for the nominee it's just figure out where the key voters are in which states which states winnable a where those voters are pull all the list together and do some apple research on the republican president and start to find some messaging that could work going after the president's so laying the groundwork for how do you actually campaign against a sitting president so that is i think that still be a smart role for the dnc it starts do those things what's different now obviously the money is very different i was just looking back at two thousand four i was involved in the campaign raised a million dollars in the first week and we thought that wasn't impressive number now you don't fat in the first ten hour exactly if you've listened billion dollars in the first day you're a loser and now a million dollars isn't even really that much between bedouin bernie they've they've really done five and six times that amount of money to the money's different a less if it's going to the party more of it coming from small dollar donors now the party instill raise money from some of the wealthier donors that maybe candidates don't wanna be seen with very often so you may see more money from the big tech companies the big wall street a giant you may see them going to the democratic party instead of going to the nominees actual account that's a different state of play so what advice do you have for democratic candidates now were talking post primary yeah going up against eight precedent and the campaign that is not following any of the traditional rules how do you prepare for that and how do you respond to that one of my rules about politics but i learned from bill clinton along time ago is that there is no referee in politics is nobody calling ball strike sir fouls nobody giving out penalty yards and that kind of thing when you get a tax you have to respond and how respond will depend on which campaign which maybe which canada is is the nominee but you can't choose not to respond i think john kerry maybe learn that lesson the hard way in two thousand four when he was being swift boated you've gotta fight back you know one big thing that is different today that was true and you know ten years ago or even is there's much more focused on these staff and a m supporters of canada there used to be they used to be a little bit of an unspoken rule that you know were not really gonna my campaign snack attack your deputy campaign manager now unless that person does something that's really flagrant that you wanna go after but we're not running out of projects projects on staffers i'm not sure that's holding that's i mean that's something people now are much more willing to go after staffers don't go after donors pretty much everybody me arena is now fair game and do you think this also happened in a primary where it's not simply the staffers but who the staffers are there's been a really concerted effort by many of these candidates to show that they have diverge staff they of women sitting at the table they have people of color sitting in positions of influence how much of that is gonna be important do you think tim voters it matters because those candidates are gonna end up having to deal with issues wherever they are that will be much more pungent and then they were before so if there's an issue that impacts let's say criminal justice reform hillary clinton face this right in twenty sixteen whoever the kennedy as he got a question about black lives matter in new hampshire where there aren't that many black voters but if there are people around they haven't thought through the question and they get question wrong in new hampshire people in south carolina in alabama in michigan in other states are all gonna know it and so you just gotta have a staff bill is prepared to deal with the correct ebb and flow the democratic party i've gotten a couple of calls from from friends who are thinking about working on campaigns and they are worried about their personal professional history so for instance someone worked for a bank and a wall street bank and now they wanna go back and do a campaign and so the question is do you think that i will be attacked are becoming issue in the campaign because i used to work for x y z bank and now 'em somebody on the other side will say look script this canada being influenced by these breaker that's interesting yeah yeah see other things that democrats are talking about a lot which to me feel brand new art some of these process arguments about structurally about are politicals system they electoral college size of the supreme court voting age and these are the sorts of things that active is talked about all the time and sometimes they'd get raised you know if you've been on the campaign trail you've heard people raise some of these issues but i've never seen seen a time where so many candidates themselves are also openly saying yes we need to get rid of the electoral college yes we need to expand the size of the supreme court yes maybe get rid of the filibuster so one thing you're elizabeth warren talk about this she uses her speech morgan state university earlier this year it's time to change the rules it's up to us rural matter as you you have the power to make this country more perfect nation you want it's not just about playing the game better we actually have to change the rules of the game because they get the rules of the game maybe tilted away from working people and the mass the majority of the people in the country this idea that our group is being disadvantaged by these rules that have been put in place for so long and so looking at the not again not just play the game better but also changed the rules donald trump has a similar perspective from the conservative side the right who are people who think the rules have been stacked against a bunch of these disaffected workers around the country white workers around the country and so it's interesting that i think what is happening is because there's so many benefits that are being recruited by people at the top of the income scale everyone else is feeling put behind in left out of the of the game the question question if you're a democrat or republican conservative or or progressive is who do you blame you blame government in the lobbyists and all the people who are the government insiders are do you blame big business and the folks who are at the top poor and wall street and who are making all these decisions and i think who you blame the tournament's what side of the i'll be i'll you're simmons thank you so much for coming in and talking to me thank you for having me great beer jamal simmons is a host for hill tv and a democratic strategists here's my take when it comes to covering a primary the media spent most of its i'm focused on canot it's their personalities their policies in their blunders but winning kennett it's been a lot of their time focused only i'm sexy stuff out of leverage the rules to their advantage for example brock obama's campaign in two thousand eight realized early on but the delegate rules meant that the caucuses were going to win him a lot of delegates even if they didn't garner as much media attention as big primary states like pennsylvania taxes this year democrats have a lot of new written an unwritten rules to figure out one unwritten rule how to raise lots of money without looking beholden to corporatist under one percenters that's far it's meant that no candid it has been able to raise the sort of eyepopping fundraising numbers of canada's brock obama in two thousand seven or hillary clinton in twenty fifteen now on july fifteenth the second quarter fundraising reports are publicly available giving us another chance to see which candidates are thriving which are struggling to keep up the new debate rules meant that almost every candidate got on stage but only a few of them really broke through the debates did not fundamentally reset the race but they did give us a benchmark for evaluating
Episode 9: The Tug of War Rope written by Charly Conquest and Ben Mullins
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But for as long as everyone could remember, the villagers would meet once a year to have a huge tug of war where they take a big long rope an each side would poll as hard as they could to see who was the strongest. Philly. Everyone, took the competition very serious. So all year long everyone lifting weights on went running and they would eat lots of delicious food like potato. And Spinning. Any Karen. They will all big Hay and Straw. then. One year on tug o war day everyone had gathered by stream to see once again, who was the strongest village? All the adults were stretching and flexing their. Muscles Getting Ready to win when? All of the. Were getting very bored. Then, some of the children began to play music. Then the children from the other village started dancing and soon, all the children from both villages were dancing and singing and having fun to get. Wow The music was very catchy and it went like babbling Beck purdue and soon, the grownups couldn't help dance eight him. 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Mon. 01/06 A Three-Way Tie in Iowa?
"Welcome to the election ride home for Monday January. Six twenty twenty. I'm your host Chris Higgins with a summary of election news today a new poll reveals a three way a tie in Iowa Castro endorses Warren. The Impeachment Update Booker Releases Q.. Four fundraising numbers and how the Democratic Credit candidates are reacting to events in Iran. Here's what you missed today from the campaign trail first up today we have a new poll from CBS News. A big theme last week was where are all the polls and I think a theme this week will be. Oh Wow here all the polls okay. CBS partnered with YouGov poll. In the two states. That will vote. I those are Iowa and New Hampshire all right methodology I. The survey period was from December twenty seventh through January third the polls were conducted online and they focused on Democrats and democratic leaning independents in Iowa. The margin of error is plus or minus three point. Eight percent end in New Hampshire. It's a bit higher plus or minus five point three percent okay. So what did this poll say well in Iowa. It is statistically mystically a three way tie at the top Senator Bernie Sanders former vice president. Joe Biden and former Mayor Pete. Buddha judge all got roughly twenty three percent in this poll below them are Senator Elizabeth Warren at sixteen percent and Senator Amy Klobuchar at seven percent. Now keep in mind you need fifteen percent of the overall vote within a given state to get any delegates from that state. We now have four candidates showing up here in Iowa with numbers above that Mark Though by the way Warren is within the margin of error and the actual caucus focus process will vary likely shift these numbers around quite a bit geography matters in Iowa but this opens up a real chance that we could see eh four people come out of Iowa with fairly similar numbers. Okay so over in New Hampshire Sanders leads. A twenty-seven percent Biden Haydn just behind a twenty-five Warren is at Eighteen Buddha judges at thirteen and club. HR is again at seven the big takeaway Koei is sanders and Biden are doing very well and Warren is in an okay ish third place position. In fact I'd say the overall overall message of this pair of polls is that sanders has strong numbers in these two early voting states and beyond that we have four four candidates looking quite viable at the top Biden Buddha Judge Sanders and Warren so this is one poll well technically two Poles but released east together but it carries extra weight. Because we just haven't seen a lot of new polling lately I would therefore recommend against making too much out of this result one other key point. Is that this set of polls offered no help for any of the non qualified candidates for next week's DNC debate. That qualification window closes on Friday so unless we see a flurry of polls right quick we are looking at a five person debate stage for some more context on not just this poll but the overall situation with Iowa. I'm going to read a few paragraphs from a story by Michael Shearer in the Washington Post quote after a year of campaigning and with less than a month to go before the first and therefore most important single contest in the Democratic nomination. Fight few if any are confident. Confident of the outcome at least four candidates are seen as having a shot to win Iowa or alternatively to suffer a crippling result that could hobble hobble their campaigns. Going forward especially if there is a late surge by a lower tier contender the result. According to interviews with top campaign strategists wrists and local Democratic officials is a hotly contested sprint. To the February third caucuses a struggle that could either propel clear winner into the next voting states with momentum or open a months long fight for the delegates needed to secure the party's presidential nomination. Unlike past primaries several several of the top candidates are expected to have the financial resources and dedicated fan base to wage long campaigns. Even if they finish in the middle the pack in Iowa we have a jump ball said Jeff Link strategist who worked on Barack Obama's winning two thousand eight Iowa campaign. They are all kind. Steve Right there and I think we have yet to see the big shifts by hunches. Seventy five percent of people even if they say they have a candidate could change their mind and quote. Okay so let's get back to one of the core themes of this primary which has been the large size of the field and confusion fusion about who might really be viable candidate if the threshold for being viable is getting fifteen percent or more in some noteworthy states then then yeah. Lots of people are viable at least four of them and the biggest wildcard I can imagine in. This race is former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg Berg who strategy of skipping early states altogether and investing heavily and Super Tuesday might actually work because those states have so many more more delegates than the early voting states. As always these things will move and change so stay tuned This morning former housing and Urban Development Secretary Julio Castro endorsed Senator Elizabeth Warren in in her run for president on twitter he wrote quote Elizabeth and I share a vision of America where everyone counts in America where people people not the wealthy or well connected are put i. I'm proud to join her in the fight for big structural change and quote Castro. Oh plans to join Warren on the campaign trail this week and posted a video announcing the endorsement. Keep in mind that this news comes just four days. After Castro ended ended his run for president. So I have to guess this was in the works for a while in the video. Castro tells part of his personal story and then hangs out out with Warren and her Dog Bailey talking about the race in kind of a reality TV style conversation. Let's into just a short portion of that warrant speaks first. I then Castro did so many things in this campaign. F- continues to matter. It's not just in the past tense. It matters. You know I started my campaign off and we lived through to the idea that we went in America where everyone counts. It's the same digital I see in you campaign. Turn Marica that he would help bring about. Nobody's working harder than you walk. Not only in meeting people but listening to people and also bringing the goods sites in saying okay. This this is what I'm going to do about this. Endorsement comes in the middle of a pivot for warrants campaign. Alex Thompson wrote an article for politico. Oh titled Warren Ends Wine Cave Offensive. The core message there is that warrant a stepping back from tax on Buddha judge and focusing more on her earlier earlier strengths in the race which were largely about policy. The election. Right homes brought to you by Mac Weldon they may comfortable smart clothing with premium fabrics. It simple to shop for precisely what you want online. I am literally currently wearing two things I bought from Mack Weldon and they work for everything. I do around the house at the gym on the town and even recording podcasts Mac. Waldon's clothes are made of premium fabrics. They'll stand up to whatever you can throw at them and they're also comfortable. 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We're still in a form of limbo as president. Trump has been impeached but those articles of impeachment have not yet been transmitted committed to the Senate so the Senate cannot begin. It's impeachment trial reading from axios quote. A leadership aide tells axios. No Oh decision has been made and that it may be a couple of weeks before Democrats can understand the significance of new revelations about Ukraine related information nation being withheld by the White House and weather at least four. Republican senators are concerned enough to join forces with Democrats and demand. More more disclosures as part of president trump's trial and quote. Meanwhile as we discussed last week there are new emails and potentially other evidence coming out as has various court cases and investigations continue. Those could in theory anyway lead to additional articles of impeachment. The likely candidate there would would be obstruction of justice and or obstruction of Congress. But don't hold your breath reading once more from axios quote look for House and Senate Democrats to gauge sentiment in their caucuses in the coming days. Look for Democrats to lean on. Republican Senators Likely Murkowski of Alaska Susan Collins Collins of Maine Cory Gardner of Colorado Mitt Romney of Utah and Lamar Alexander of Tennessee. To Press McConnell to agree to some witnesses this is in document releases the White House is so far refusing those gop senators are either facing competitive. Reelection fights have previously the expressed concerns about trump's actions on Ukraine or are retiring in May feel freer to challenge the president. None is expected to convict Victor and quote and to add some complexity former national security adviser John Bolton has said he will appear in a Senate trial if if he is subpoenaed by the Senate while that is possible Democrats would need four Republicans to join them in making that subpoena request. It is unclear right now. Why Bolton would testify in the Senate but has still refuse to testify before the House even though he was subpoenaed remember? His rationale for avoiding the House Subpoena wasn't ongoing lawsuit which is still ongoing. All right one last thing to watch for it's Pelosi's regular Thursday press conference when she will likely face a bunch of questions. About all of this next up Senator Cory Booker has released his cue for fundraising numbers. He brought in six point six million million dollars which just barely makes this his best quarter yet. This comes despite missing the December debate and very likely missing the upcoming January debate debate. He is campaigning heavily in Iowa and although his poll numbers are quite low. He is counting on possible turnaround in that state as a reminder finder. Booker is one of the senators in this race. Who could find themselves locked into an impeachment trial or not who knows but that's a factor that might affect his ability to spend valuable time on the ground with voters in the early states now? Fundraising does not always correlate with success in the race but given given the polling numbers I mentioned up top hooker may have a very hard time hitting fifteen percent in Iowa overall. So what else have to wait. Twenty eight days as to find out. How those caucuses turn out last up? Today let's start talking about the situation. In Iran and how the Democratic presidential candidates are reacting to recap last week the US launched a drone strike that killed Iranian Major General Qassem Suleimani. I'm going to read a bit from a piece by Sarah Jones Writing For New York magazine's intelligencer quote. The Mideast is unstable in part due to the actions of the US itself after failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan themselves only the latest entries in a decades old program of direct and bloody interference. Democratic candidates should have to explain what if anything they change about. America's posture toward the rest of the world in tweets formal statements and speeches issued in the hours after the air strike the candidates provided some unclarity about the direction they take. US foreign policy most hewed closely to the same rhetoric employed by other Democratic officials. Sulamani was responsible double for mass violence and death but trump's actions were. Ill considered or as Senator Cory Booker put during an appearance on. MSNBC this is somebody somebody who is a bad person but we also have to look at the larger strategic situation in that area and quote many of these statements by the candidates are linked linked in that piece by Jones and there is a contrast between the more moderate Democrats and those in the Progressive Wing reading again. From that article quote on Thursday night Senator Bernie Sanders called Sulamani killing an assassination and in a speech in Iowa on Friday afternoon highlighted his older opposition position to the invasion of Iraq. He didn't mention Joe Biden by name but he didn't have to. The point was clear enough as senator and then as Vice President Biden made mistakes that Sanders did not sanders is staking out. Ground is the fields most credible anti war candidate other candidates ended. Its may try to follow his example after I releasing a statement that closely resembled those of other more moderate candidates Senator Elizabeth Warren released another other on Friday. That condemned pseudomonas killing in stronger terms. She called it an assassination just as sanders did the previous night. Maybe voters will care. Maybe they won't. It's too early to tell and frankly the opinions of the electorate have no bearing on the actual importance of the issue. You the questions in front of the fields candidates are urgent. Will they stop America's endless wars or will the wars go on run away from twitter and with different consultants and think tanks in charge. Their answers will reveal something profound about the way they'd govern burn end quote. Well that is it for one more episode of the election right. Home I have been your host Chris Higgins. 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Senators Flake and Coons: The Future of the Senate and the Supreme Court
"I'm Lana over in house counsel at the national constitution center and welcome to the people. A weekly show of constitutional debate. The national constitution center is a nonpartisan nonprofit chartered by congress to increase awareness and understanding of the constitution among the American people. This week, we bring you a special episode of the people who drink Senator Jeff flake and Chris coons in conversation with host, Jeff Rosen recorded live this week at the Atlantic festival in Washington DC. The senators discussed their important role in the cavenaugh confirmation hearings including their last minute agreement to pause the nomination to allow for an investigation of current locations against capital. They also share their hopes and fears future of the Senate and the supreme court and how political tribals today for legitimacy of these American institutions. Here's Bob Cohn president of the Atlantic to get started. Thank you, Jeffrey, Alex. And Jeff, we looked to conclude the day with article one that the constitution, the congress. So we joined a two man at the center of our national conversation right now, both members of the Senate Judiciary committee and together they're the architects of a process that has playing out right now in real time they broke away through a leadership meeting to be with us today, and we're grateful to have them. Please welcome. Jeff, flake Republican, Verizon, a-. And crews. And Chris coons never got Delaware. They're here with Jeff Rosen. Senators and flake. We invited you to this event about a month ago. Thank you so much for precipitating, a constitutional crisis to justify our conversation this morning for precipitating and of winning it. And we are here to discuss gravely serious questions and that is the future of the Senate as an institution, and that is the future of the supreme court as an institution and how as you so eloquently said, Senator flake to prevent the country from tearing itself apart at a time when the legitimacy of both of those institutions is under siege, I'm required though by my editor, Jeff, Goldberg Senator just ask them easy question just to start us off. So this is from Goldberg. The question is, what is the state of play today? And what would it take for the FBI investigation to reveal to get you to consider voting against up. Chris. No, no. It almost works. State of play today is the investigations ongoing. The interviewed, I four that we're named and have branched off from there my understanding and are interviewing additional individuals and as it should be, and I hope that they follow leads that come from those first interviews, the what the agreement that we struck, the compromise that we struck that we'd have something that was limited by time as Chris outlined it in the speech. Before we, we went outside to one week and then we would limit the scope, the scope being limited to to current credible allegations. We didn't want to throw something open for allegations to come out like the Rhode Island boat thing that was out and then retracted or or some of the more outlandish ones out there. And we checked with DOJ. They assured us that this was in within what the timeframe that they can do it. We both hope and have been pushing the White House to to make sure it's Folsom investigation, and it's not unduly limited, and I hope they're doing it to find fact. We have not seen any of the reporting yet. We were told that might come back or in real time. And we might have some decisions to make in terms of where they go. My hope is that they as a interview these individuals than immediately follow up on other leads at they might they might have. So we don't know exactly where it is in terms of what it will take. I. I just hope that we find fact, and I have an open mind just like I had in the hearings and we'll see what they come back with. Don't want to prejudge it. Thank you for that. Chris. Some Democrats have taken the position that regardless of what emerges from the investigation, the nominees temperamental conduct in the hearings is disqualifying could anything from the investigation make you favor of capital. What I think is important. Jeffrey about the moment we have here is that as we ground towards the end of Friday's committee deliberations they got sharper and hotter and more partisan and more personal to the point where I think Senator flake correctly perceived that the nine hour hearing the day before which had presented to compelling forceful testimonies to completely opposite sets of facts and conclusions was really having an impact in a lasting way on the credibility of the institution of the Senate. And if the nomination was forced forward with no more further investigation would have a lasting impact on the credibility of the court. You asked a direct question. I'll give you a direct answer. I had announced a conclusion in my view about judge Cavanaugh based on his jurisprudence before we got to this point and and that's. Is not an opinion that is shared by many Republican colleagues, and I understand that. But what I think Senator flake did that was exceptional and praiseworthy is to say, we have to come closer in terms of our understanding of facts. Even though Democrats Republicans will almost certainly continue to have very different opinions about judge Cav enough from a policy perspective, Jeff's are real conservative. He would like not to speak for you. But my strong impression is he'd really like a conservative Justice on the supreme court. I'm not. I really don't want someone with judge Kavanagh's views of presidential power or views of substantive due process or likely jurisprudence around privacy and around the most recent significant decisions by Justice Kennedy. So I'm not going to change my views on judge Kavanagh's nomination based on that. But I think. Agreeing that we should have a week for a fulsome, but time and scope prescribed FBI investigation, we have to recognize raises the possibility of cavenaugh being cleared of summer all these allegations and the possibility of Dr Ford being corroborated in some or all of these investigations and gives us a week to hear each other and to show the American people that we took a week to hear allegations that we've gotten from everywhere. I've had the most amazing couple of days literally yesterday in the morning in Delaware, where I woke up and at a function late at night at a fire hall. I have had women, I've known for years or decades, come up to me and share with me the most riveting painful, incredible accounts of sexual assault, but they have never shared before that. They haven't shared with their husbands with their sons with their family with their community. And if nothing. Else was accomplished here. It was a strong signal by Senator flake that we are willing to take a week to hear each other and to take seriously the idea of improving the facts that we have. It may not change the outcome whatsoever, but it's a really significant statement that the cooling saucer of the Senate Ken still, though cracked perform its functions and that the response Jeff got from you. When we walked into the room, suggests there is a hunger in the country for this to be not exceptional, but ordinary for there to be reasonableness. Even when we have such sharply different policy views, I genuinely like and admire Senator flake and it's. Even though we opposite ways all the time. He'll come around. That's got to be typical, not exceptional. Let me just say how inspiring it is to hear both of you. Describe your desire to do exactly what Madison hoped senators listen to each other and have the country respect and a deliberate way, and thank you for giving us a week and saving the Senate, but Senator you care so deeply about the institution. What happens next, he will be corroborated or exonerated confirmed or not. The partisan passions will be strong and you're retiring, what will do you believe will be the future of the Senate after you're gone and will it? It's institutional Genesee preserved. Before I say that, let me just say, you know. You know, often hear politicians, save my friend over there before they try to get your eyes out. What I look at. Chris truly is my friend and we have traveled a lot. We both spent part of our miss spent youth in in Africa and Kenya, and east Africa and southern Africa. And we've traveled to the region that continent number of times, and we've been chased by elephants in Mozambique. We spent a very memorable four hours with one of the worst dictators, Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe. We've, we've been through a lot and that the trust that you develop. Working with each other on issues like that wildlife preservation or is the Darrow or or other issues of that's that's how compromises are possible, and there's less and less of that going on. Memorably a few years ago wanted to prove the Republicans and Democrats get along. So Martin Heinrich and I- marooned ourselves on Pacific island for a week. Discovery Channel came along and filmed it called it rivals for viral. Just gave us a machete between us and that was not really. You can get it on Amazon for two ninety. Nine still. And I think it's still aired under between episodes of naked and afraid we were neither maybe frayed. But we got back and went on David Letterman. Kobe ran a clip of us and said that flake and Heinrich of prove once and for all Republicans and Democrats can get along if death is the only option. So. Unfortunately, that's about where we are, but but we do worry about the future of the Senate. It's always been the body that the rules of the Senate bring together. It's very seldom that one party has sixty votes, and so the the filibuster rules requires. And that's what I like about the Senate. I served twelve years in the house. I'd love the people's house, but the Senate requires and pushes you together. But lately there have been so many things simply drug us apart, and I don't know how we get back. The incentives are all the other way. There are. There's no currency for bipartisanship. If you are act bipartisan, it shows up in your opponent's campaign ads, and we've got to come to a point again where the failure to to compromise. The failure to reach across the aisle, particularly in the Senate is punished the ballot box rather than rewarded. And, and I don't know how we get there, but we, we need to. Chris, if you had to name the three top causes of this polarization, what would they be? What can do to fix it? And what are you going to do after Jeff link is gone. Miss him a lot. So top causes, we don't live together. So we travel back and forth to our home states every week for Delaware. I've traveled back and forth and my home state almost every day. So I'm an exception. But for most of the Senate listening to Joe Biden, my predecessor and asking him how he and John McCain, for example, built a working friendship over decades. Everyone would come in on Monday and stay till Friday and often move their families here and often leave here for long periods of time. So you'd get to know each other as parents at a baseball game or a lacrosse game rather than just as two dimensional cutouts fighting each other on cable. I second. Cartoon cutouts fighting each other on cable, the disaggregation of news and the. Frankly, steady degeneration caused by Twitter and the smashmouth PO politics of the time. Third, how we raise money there, there's no longer a role really for parties. There should be. It's not as strong as it used to be, but you can raise a million dollars in your first day as an opponent, whose won a primary by being more extreme than the other in twenty ten is you may recall Mike castle a well respected. Centrist Republican was my expected general election opponent, Christine O'Donnell beat him in a primary that had a tiny turn out very low participation. Sharia million bucks the next day on one cable TV show when you can fuel that. It accentuates the idea that you don't wanna live in Washington. You don't want to be part of the swamp. You can appeal to tighter and tighter segments of more and more motivated potential voters donors using social media in cable, and then what provides you the resources to win is less and less connected to having a broad base of support in your home state and last travel. There's three things that I think to answer the opposite. What are three things that I think have brought us together spending time in places where we aren't surrounded by forgive me the press lobbyists staff other folks working out in the gym going to I'm the coach or the weekly prayer breakfast that is broadly bipartisan but is only senators and travelling overseas. I think Jeff and I because we spent young when we were young men, we spent periods of our lives seeing the United States from another part of the world. We understand the ways in which when our democracy is dysfunction. And when the world sees bickering and frankly gridlock, there are competing models for how to organize society and on the continent of Africa, they are ascendant democracy matters and we have to act like we care about it and fight for it because at the end of the day, there's other ways to organize societies. And as the founder saw, if you aren't careful about the mischief faction, you will end up with a country that's no longer a model for democracy. Just listen to you. What do you think are the causes of this polarization and what would you do. He hit not traveling. I mean, when I got here to congress in the house, I read the book by MO udall the job of the congressman. He felt his desire to, you know, talk about what it was like in the sixties. And I remember reading that he said, we have in our Mareille or office budget account enough money to travel home three times a year travel back to three times a year. The rest of the time they were here. Their kids went to school together. They associated it was just different environment. I'm not suggesting we'll ever go back to that period, but that's that's part of the issue now, but I would just add, Chris says, it's not just the friendships that that come. It's just common decency and we saw a great example of it a few months ago. It was vote in the Senate Foreign Relations committee for Mike Pompeo. It was a tight vote and and. And it was it was mostly partisan Johnny ISAACs and was home delivering a eulogy for his his best friend, Johnny has some health issues, tough for him to, you know, in the middle of the night, travel back for one vote and have to pull everybody. And there used to be something in in congress in the Senate in particular called pairing, if one democrat had to be gone for some reason unavoidable and the Republican Republican friend would say, althought the other way, or I won't vote to not upset the ballots just as a measure of courtesy if it wasn't something that would change a huge outcome. But just as a as something courteous and. Johnny called to called Chris and asked if he would do that and and Chris did, and it was the first example of that. I've seen in years and years and years and it it. It moved Bob corker, tears are chairman because it's just so infrequent. And that's, you know, it's not as much friendships developed or whatever else, but it's just common decency that that you just these days. It's it's punished. I remember well, when Tim Caine was picked to be Hillary Clinton's running mate, Tim and I were elected together. We don't agree much, but we worked together on a number of things like an AM and whatnot, but we disagree a lot, but he's a decent carrying smart center and just as kind of playful, jab, I tweeted out now. I have to count the ways. I hate Tim Kaine. But I'm drawing a blank. He's a good man and a good friend. Congratulations. There was immediately unhinged fury from have brought tweets and emails and texts from my side of the, I'll say, how can you do that? And I was even at a Republican event, I kid you not the next day or two days later in Arizona, and somebody came up to me and he said, what's wrong with you? If you can't say anything bad, don't stopped. It was. It was like he, he was reversing the advice he got from his mother. I'm sure Dave is live, but that's just that is the result of shattered politics. That's where we are, and it's going to be tough to reverse because the incentives all push us that way. Chris, this inspiring moment were having like the false peace in the weeks after Sarajevo. Is this the last time that we'll see two senators discussing institution and if Cavanaugh is confirmed, will there be so much partisan bitterness despite this welcome respite that the Senate will never recover and flake is retiring. And will you ever be able to have these moments of bipartisan comedy again, what will the consequences for the country if the Senate explodes in this way, like my my wife and I sat down and had a heartfelt conversation. I'm not up this cycle, but you know, I'm up for reelection in two more years, and we had a conversation last week. I'll just be blunt is this really worth our time? And I don't mean that in a I mean, it's an incredible honor to serve in the Senate the United States, but I am enormously frustrated at how little progress we are making. Tackling huge issues right in front of us that affect average Americans and that affect our place in the world. And I'm facing a Senate without Senator flake without Jeff without Senator McCain, who was a great partner on foreign policy and security issues without Bob corker who was my most prolific legislative partner on foreign relations. These are three folks. I've worked very hard to build good relationships with who've been just tremendous partners. And I said to my wife, I don't know if this is a good investment, but I know this if the Senate doesn't work. Our constitution, our Republic, our nation doesn't work. I cannot abandon this post. If the people of Delaware will have me, I'll do it again and I wanna tell you. But my senior Senator faced a significant primary challenge from the left in a way I haven't seen in my state and longtime and the politics of my party are beginning to resemble the politics of the other party in ways that concern me. So to encouraging stories, if I can. Jeff, and I went to Senator McCain's funeral together in Phoenix. And when I got back, I made a point of going up to several relatively new senators who I overlapped with on a committee and area of interest and area of background, but where we don't really know each other that well and I said, bluntly, I wanna come get to know you. I wanna come to your state. I wanna come to your home. I welcome you to mind. I'd like to go to worship together. I'd like to give the speech together like to find a way legislate together because if there aren't people I can work with, there's really no point my being here. I second, the very kind anecdote. The Jeff shared about my doing some very small thing to accommodate my good friend, Johnny ISAACs, and which should be typical, not exceptional was occasioned by, and this is meant to be an encouraging story the day. My father died. February last year. I was here in Washington, and I got the news in the middle of the night, and I went to the floor and I looked about as miserable as I think ever looked and a Senator who I know through pro breakfast, very conservative, relatively new Senator from South Dakota. Mike rounds came across the floor, gave me a hug, look in the eye and said, whatever additional votes there are today, Chris, I will pair with you so that you can go be with your family that touched me deeply. He is going to continue as a Senator, Jeff has done amazing work on immigration and has really taken hard chances to accomplish immigration reform. Mike is someone who I hope to legislate with on a range of areas. He was part of that commonsense caucus trying to get to a solution on dreamers and border security. There are folks. I am hopeful I can work with. I doubt I will ever get chased by elephants in Mozambique. With them. I think those elephants have little professional courtesy. No, but I, you know, in answer to your question Jeff, I just wanted to say that you know. Are it's up to you. It's up to the citizens of this country to recognize that if you support an advocate for and fund candidates who are unyielding and personally vicious, that's the politics will get. This is a democracy. My father served in the first infantry for a reason. My brother in the second armored for a reason they weren't there because it was expected in a hobby, a great way to build their resumes were there because generations of Americans have stood up for democracy and continued to do so today in hard places around the world. And if we don't feel like we mean it and we're not committed to it, then there are competing models for the world that would be happy to take our place on the world stage and in history, and I am determined that will not happen. Senator you gave a very inspiring speech of for your determination to unite the country rather than tear it apart. Once you have left the Senate, what will you do to advance that crucially important mission for the future of our Republic? I know you're asking fuel run for president and Alaska that, but in addition, what will you do to shore up the institution of the Senate and to heal this wounded country for the future of America. Well. I'm not leaving the Senate because it's tired of the institution of pox on all your houses. This is a wonderful institution with wonderful people. And we've got to find a way to get together. So I, I simply couldn't run the kind of campaign I felt I needed to run in this environment and succeed. That's the bottom line. But. But I will stay involved. Certainly. I don't know what, what level or in what way? But this is important if I mean the Senate. As an institution has to be there. It's the bulwark, particularly when you're talking about foreign policy is Chris Senate has always been six year terms the the body with roles that the house doesn't have in terms of advice and consent on ambassador nominees and president's cabinet and court. But the ability with the longer term to see beyond the hill and to develop relationships, you saw Senator McCain relationships. He built around the world and much of Senator McCain's final year in the Senate or spent reassuring allies that we are still there allies. That's important and whatever role I can play outside of this body. I'll play because it's it's, it's vital. It's important. The Senate has an institution needs to return to. It's a former glory. I guess it put it that way as most deliberative body in the world, and it would be tough to make the case that it is right now. So I, I will. I will play a role. I will stay involved. Let's talk about the institutional jalousie of the supreme court. If just judge Cavanaugh is confirmed, Chris will be some Democrats will refuse to accept his legitimacy because of his statements in the hearings and we face the prospects of five to four decisions of Republicans against Democrats in ways that could fundamentally undermined faith in the rule of law much will turn on chief Justice, John Roberts in an effort to avoid this. Tell us what you think Roberts must do should do in order to preserve the legitimacy of the court. Are you concerned about its legitimacy? And what would be the consequences of sued citizens, losing faith in the nonpartisan legitimacy of the rule of law? Partly why this moment is so powerful and so fraught is that we have asked the supreme court to be the arbiter, the deciding point for some of our most personal passionate, powerful issues as a country. So in the arc of our lifetimes in from. Racial integration to gun ownership from marriage equality to now, sexual harassment issues have been put onto the court that cannot be easily resolved in legislative processes and that have taken a constitutional Hugh. But in some ways, define our sense of ourselves and our scope and our role of citizens, how much can we contribute into whom citizens United can the government survey all our most private communications? How do we treat those who are captured in the course of combat. You know, the supreme court is the place that we look to in the last sixty seventy years to make these values decisions for the country. We've been able to have it play that role and not tear the country apart, partly because of this legitimacy which is intensely fragile the point of the robes. It's to make them all sort of look more similar. They don't have an army as I think president Jackson memorably pointed out there force is in their credibility as independent arbiters of the constitution. It is gravely at risk the way we've conducted ourselves as senators the way we talk to each other the way we described these issues and the ways in which judge Kavanagh's character and credibility have been challenged and put on trial and ways in which he spoke to us as a committee that I thought. Were overly partisan. All of this is a steamy John. Delilah, that goes right at the credibility of the court. Chief Justice Roberts believe is an institution list to understands how fragile the credibility of the court is. And you know, my hope is that we will conduct ourselves even though it is inevitable, there will be deep bitterness and anger and frustration at the outcome of this nomination. No matter how it ends is that we will reduce the frequency with which we describe judges as wearing blue and red jerseys in casual conversation. We now say so and so calm and Obama judge. So so common a Bush. Judge sound so comma Trump judge as if that tells you exactly what they will decide. There are two new federal judges in Delaware where I worked well and professionally and easily with Don Mcgann. They are Trump nominees, Senator carpenter, returned blue slips. They were confirmed nearly unanimously by the court, excuse me by the Senate, and I think will serve admirably and long on our court. Do I. It is fair to them to call them Trump judges with the opprobrium that that brings in my party or to have the other party call them Trump judges with an expectation that that tells you the ark of their judicial service now. And we've allowed that approach. We do wear red and blue jerseys. We are elected as members of parties in his partisans. We work hard to respect each other and know each other across that, but our judiciary has now been profoundly affected by the way we behave in speak. I think we are really at risk of losing that. And so you know, Jeff spoke early on in this exchange about the ways the Senate is different from the house, changing the rules on confirmation of judges. Something Democrats did I and then Republicans followed our lead, not having a sixty, vote threshold, long periods of obstruction, holding certain seats open, refusing to confirm qualified nominees of the other party. I mean, part of Lindsey grams white hot anger was because he voted for soda were and for keagan and cannot believe it is legitimate for someone like me to not be voting for judge Gorsuch, given his credentials. So. I'm just citing an example that Lindsey had a conversation about. So there's a lot of he said she said back and forth disliked distrust between senators on this. If we have a court that begins to behave in a way, you really can predict exactly how they will decide for the rest of their careers based on who nominated them haven't help us because the court cannot become as partisan divided as the congress and as the country. That's just. That's just what what are your concerns about the future legitimacy of the court? What can chief Justice Roberts to? And if judge Cavin is confirmed, some Democrats are talking about impeaching him in the house or packing the size of the supreme court. Increasing to thirteen justices as was done in eighteen hundred and during the civil war. What would you say to those Democrats about the effect of that on the future legitimacy of the rule of law stuff? I mean, that was just Christus gave a tutorial on what and don't expect me. We've in steamy Jumba lia-. Any political discussion? Incredible. But. But I, when I walked into that room on Friday and saw the food fight that was going on between our parties split on the dice Democrats threatening to walk out and not even vote in the final vote. Just going back and forth. Just this vitriol, that's when when I sat there and then it came to Chris and Chris gave a very sober rational. Speech about how we could move forward. I thought that's what we've got to do because the supreme court is still the last bastion of. Last institution that most Americans have faith in and as Chris mentioned, that's how it is worked for us to cede so much authority and give so much power to the supreme court because people still have faith if that faith is gone. Then heaven help us. And so it is a concern I was, I was very troubled by the the tone of the. The remarks the initial defense that that judge cavenaugh gave was something like I told my wife. I hope that I would sound that indignant if I were if I felt that I was unjustly. You know maligned, but then it went on and the interaction with the members was sharp and partisan and net concerns me. And I tell myself, you give a little leeway because of what he's been through. But on the other hand, we can't have this on the court. We simply can't, and you know, talk of impeachment or stacking the court. It's just it's going the wrong direction. And I mean this, this function has many fathers. We can go back to, you know, statements made in the nineteen eighties with Barak or Clarence Thomas hearings, or you name it. You can find a villain anywhere back there. The truth is both parties have engaged in it and have made the situation worse, and we simply have to elevate people to leadership positions and elect people who see it differently and understand the value. And and purpose of the supreme court. I do worry this, this red and blue jerseys referring to each other or these justices by who nominate them. It's just a, it can't go on. As Lincoln said, I'm loath to close, but I can't. If I must ask you each for very short. Final thoughts. Lincoln in eighteen thirty eight. As we talked about earlier warned about mob, aquatic government and fear that when citizens lose their allegiance to the rule of law than liberty and the Republic wolf alter, Chris what is at stake in this moment when the legitimacy of the Senate and the supreme court are under siege, and what do you wanna tell your fellow citizens about what they can do about it? I want to tell my fellow citizens. I that Jeff flake is an earnest decent thoughtful kind man, good husband father, and someone who deeply respects our democracy and the rule of law, and I hold that opinion fiercely about him despite are being from different parties, different states, different backgrounds and different frames of reference. And despite our voting records being so sharply divergent, and if citizens can't hear. Respect and recognize ways in which senators presidents members of the house, Kenya wracked with each other in a more respectful and decent thorough way that I'm gravely concerned about the future of the rule of law respect for core institutions of our society and the ways in which the rest of the world sees us. We are an exceptional experiment in human history. Rarely, if ever has a continental power assembled itself to be governed by its own people in an act of original creation that was exceptional, but profoundly flawed, and then gradually diligently over the decades expanded, the scope of Justice expanded. The definition of citizenship expanded the access to opportunity in ways that gradually made true or more true. It's opening promises. We are an exceptional nation and we are at risk of losing it all. All through a populist mob mentality where no one can win because everyone must lose. It's up to you folks and I just have eternal gratitude to my friend, Jeff for making us take one week and look at each other and hear each other and respected. Last word very appropriately is to you, your thoughts and concerns about the future of the Republic and rule of law, and what is your message about what can do about it? Philip reaching over just dropping Chris's Mike. That. Can can't add to that. This guy is incredible, and and the thing that I will miss most about the Senate is relationships like this and being able to work together with people who I view as as true statesman and every since the word and I, you know this this notion that we have to see each other differently or just one example. I was on that baseball field in June of seventeen, and when the gunman opened fire. And I just remember running to the dugout and seeing the bullets pitch off the gravel in front of me after Steve Scalise went down and whatnot. But if there's a memory of that that stays in my mind, it's that turning and seeing that. And just thinking that seemed like an attorney. Why us? Why here. How can someone look on field that a bunch of middle aged men playing baseball, trying to relive their youth and see the enemy. And that's what this type of politics is Brad, and we just got to get beyond it where we, where we look at each other across the aisle and not see the enemy, but to see, I mentioned last night, it's it's as if. It's as if you want to heal yourself to heal your own brain by taking out your heart, we are different parties but were part of the same Oregon, the same body and you. You've got to worst get together here. We rarely does a party, like I said, have sixty votes. It would be horrible. If that came to be for an extended period of time, we've got to find a way to look at each other and trust each other again and not question each other's motives. And if we can do that, then we can be worthy of this Republic that we have. Ladies and gentlemen for their service to the United States of America. Please join me in thanking senators. This conversation was part of three part of entitled. The constitution in crisis presented live at the Atlantic festival in DC on October second. You can check out video this conversation and the rest of the program at constitution center dot org. Ford slash debate on the past programs. Page program was presented in partnership at the Atlantic and generously sponsored by the John Templeton foundation, and the William and flora Hewlett foundation special, thanks to Atlantic live and their on-site av team from saly this recording. Please remember to rate and review our show and subscribe on apple podcast, Google podcast or wherever you listen on behalf of the national constitution center. I'm Ana work. Panoply.
Explosive new allegations against Supreme Court nominee; Third accuser: Kavanaugh & others used drugs, alcohol to take advantage of girls at parties; Source: Trump more worried, taking charge of Kavanaugh defense
"They take one last ride around the world, the EMMY award winning Anthony, bourdain parts, unknown the final episodes chairs, Sundays at nine on CNN. There's now a third accuser. The lead starts right now breaking news, new horrific accusations about Brett Kavanagh's alleged behavior with girls in high school. Cavanaugh denies it all. He says, the charges are from the twilight zone. Michael ever. Nadi who represents the woman in question will be here in minutes. These new series allegations come just hours before cavenaugh in his first accuser, Christine Blasi borders set to testify in front of the world might be new charges. Derail that hearing, could they even sink his confirmation? Plus we're just minutes away from President Trump taking questions and a very rare solo news conference. And if his newest comments on cavenaugh or any indication, it might get a little bit nasty. Welcome to the lead everyone. I'm Jake tapper we begin with the politics lead and the ugliest accusation ever made in American history against a potential US supreme court Justice as the nomination of judge. Brett cavenaugh seems at its most vulnerable point ever. A third woman today came forward with shocking allegations about break Kavanagh's alleged behavior. As a teenager. Julie sweat neck who says she has held multiple security clearances while working for the government has notified the Senate Judiciary committee than in the nineteen eighties at various party. She attended where the supreme court nominee was allegedly president present. She saw cavenaugh, quote, drink excessively, and engage in abusive and physically aggressive behavior towards girls, including pressing girls against him without their consent, grinding against girls and attempting to remove or shift girls, clothing to expose private body parts, unquote, even worse sweating. It claims in this worn statement that she witnessed efforts by. Avin to quote caused girls to become a neabry aided. So they could then be gang-raped unquote. She says she saw lines of numerous boys lines that included cavenaugh standing outside rooms where they waited for their turn with girls who were incapacitated. She says she was a victim of one such rate, but a party were Cavanaugh was present. She does not say the cavenaugh raped her or the other girls CNN cannot corroborate any of these claims which are now being investigated by the Senate Judiciary committee and judge cavenaugh today, forcefully denied the allegations, saying, quote, this is ridiculous and from the twilight zone, I don't know who this is and this never happened. Sweat. Nick, of course, joins Deborah Ramirez, who on Sunday alleged that cavenaugh exposed himself to her in college and Christine Blasi. Ford who last week said that cavenaugh sexually assaulted her when they were in high school. As of now, there are no, I witnesses who have come forward to corroborate. Great. Any of these charges. And in fact, many people named as having been at the events described by Ramirez at Yale and by Blasi Ford. In highschool say, they have no memory of those events happening. This new accusation comes hours before President Trump's press conference in which he may attempt to get ahead of tomorrow's Senate hearing with cavenaugh and Christine Blasi Ford. Let's get right to CNN's Phil Manningly on Capitol Hill for us and fill all ten Democrats on the Senate Judiciary committee this afternoon called on the White House to withdraw Kavanagh's nomination. Yeah, that's right. Jake Senate Democrats have seen heard or read plenty enough to pull the plug on this nomination, and you put that on one side. It's standing stark contrast with where Republican leaders are basically telling their members to stay the course maintain a United front behind closed doors at an all conference lunch. Just a short while ago that was the message, even if members are rattled, keep pushing forward. Jake. Third accuser threatening to derail. The already tenuous prospects of President Trump's supreme court nominee and a detailed declaration are specific day aren't shocking, but above all else, they are true and my client stand behind them. One hundred percents, the allegations from Julie, sweat, Nick, who alleged in a signed affadavit. She attended well over ten parties. She saw judge Brett cavenaugh. Then in highschool, drink excessively at many of these parties engage in abusive and physically aggressive behavior towards girls sweat. Nick also claiming cavenaugh and others would spike the punch to 'cause girls to become a neabry eight and disoriented. So they could then be gang raped in a side room or bedroom later adding became the victim of one of these gang or train rapes where Mark judge and Brett Kavanagh were present sweat. Nick does not say they assaulted her or the other girls. And while sweat, Nick says, she's away. Aware of other witnesses who can corroborate her claims. She has not yet identified those witnesses. Cavenaugh immediately denied the new allegations saying in a statement, this is ridiculous and from the twilight zone, I don't know who this is and this never happened. I'm asking you why in this process which has been so debased on both sides? Why are people who have they serious allegations, not going to law enforcement themselves and saying, take a look at this attorneys for Mark. Judge also identified by sweat, Nick, saying, judge, quote, vehemently denies the allegations contained in the affidavit. Judiciary committee, Republicans snapping quickly to attention to review and address the allegations aides, say, thank while President Trump taking a break for meetings of the UN took aim at sweat, Knicks attorney, Michael avenue ninety look at this lawyer that just came out. He's alive. He represented Democrats. Nobody ever talks about that. The democrat lawyer. Very good one, but he's a democrat. They're part Democrats are calling for Thursday's hearing were cabin on is first accuser, Christine Blasi. Ford will testify to be suspended when the question of credibility is so much in doubt as it is now with judge Cavanaugh, all that person should not be sitting not be sitting on the highest court in the land, but that hearing will stay on as planned according to the committee chair. Tomorrow is very, very important. Well, she's been waiting for ten days now to appear. And Jake, I can hardly imagine a more dramatic lead up to a hearing are more important consequential. Hearing on Capitol Hill. Republicans have made very clear not only do they plan on holding the hearing. They also still plan on having the committee vote on Friday with floor consideration the entire Senate voting as soon as Tuesday, but that's all contingent on one thing actually having the votes. And here's what I've been told by several GOP sources over the course of the last couple of hours. They don't have them right now. One eight told me it's basically been like whack a mole. And are they going to end up with those votes? Another aide said, we literally have no idea right now, Jake. All right, Phil, Mattingly on Capitol Hill. Let's talk about this with my experts. Scott Jennings let me start with you used to work with Brad Kavanagh Yasser. And the Bush White House. The Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer says, Democrats should stop the proceedings. Cavenaugh should withdraw. At what point do you think the White House might consider doing that? I mean, this nomination as of now does not have the votes. They're taking on a lot of water. I think the what I hear from the Senate leadership today, Jake is that they are going to have this committee hearing they are gonna take vote. They are going to keep the Senate in all weekend and they are pressing forward and they are confident in the outcome. So I don't sense that there's any movement towards taking this nomination down. I don't sense. There's any movement towards hitting pause. I think right now Republicans are galvanized against this onslaught against Brett, Kevin on the Senate leadership feels that in the White House feels that and they're gearing up to keep the Senate and sessional weekend to deal with it. What do you make of this new allegation? I've heard some people say while no one should belittle such an accusation. It seems difficult to imagine that such horrific events would be going on consistently. In these parties and only it would come out this week. Nobody would have ever heard about it before now. What would you react if you've been to a good college party? Jake, but I spent a lot of time on college campuses, so I don't know. This is high school and this is this. Oh, well yes, there was. No, she was in college. These are softwares, but what I'm saying is and I say that to say this, unfortunately, what is what is being alleged? What the accusers are saying. That happened happens more often than folks think, and it is not okay. It is not acceptable behavior. What what I'm concerned about. The fact that Senate Republicans are pressing forward is that are to me that they don't care about allegations of sexual assault that they do not want to credibly vet an investigate these claims. And then if Rhett cavenaugh did this or whether he didn't, they don't care. They want him to be the supreme court nominee. I think there should be an FBI investigation at the least. I think we should take a pause. Why are they rushing this? And I know we're probably going to get here, but I also think there's something to be said about the fact that Senate Republicans. Apparently don't feel like they can do their jobs without being misogynistic creeps and that's why they have to get an outside counsel lawyer. There's also a women's equal talked about, we'll talk with that outside counsel in the next block. But I do wanna ask you, Mona. This isn't the first time we've heard this allegation about gang rape. I in this culture not against cavenaugh, but in this culture and let me just read this. The end of that New Yorker story. There was a moment where there was testimony or an interview with a woman named Elizabeth razor. She was marked judges ex girlfriend, and they reported quote raise a recalled that Mark judge. Again, this is not against cavenaugh, but this is about potentially the culture there. Mark judge had told her ashamed, Lee of an incident that involved him in other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman. She says the judge did not name others involved in the incident. She has no knowledge of cavenaugh participated, but razor was disturbed by the story and noted that it undercuts judges protestations about the sexual innocence of Georgetown craps that I only site that because the the gang rape allegation is such. A horrific allegation. And the worst thing we've heard so far and it's actually not the first time we've heard it this week. Well, so think about the other recent times and we've heard these kinds of allegations. It was regarding the university of Virginia rape on campus story that Rolling Stone ran that turned out to be a complete fabrication, and yet the same kind of thinking and analysis was in evidence. Then as we're seeing now, it was like, yeah, those frat boys, they're just the type to do something like that. And there should. They practically had to shut down this entire fraternity over this and it turned out to be false. The another one was the Duke lacrosse case. Same sort of thing. There was this sort of smearing a whole group of people with a broad brush and saying, well, cross players, everybody does what they're like, so they must be guilty and look. I mean, the presumption of innocence still has to mean something. It's not a courtroom, but just as a matter of elementary civic fairness, you have to say, yeah. Men may do bad things in certain instances that doesn't shed any light on whether this particular man did those things. I mean, she she brings up with point. I mean this this culture of just blaming, I mean taking one side over the other evidence, every single abuse claim of this magnitude should definitely be investigated. Women should be heard part of this backlash that we're seeing right now comes from a culture, sexism and paternalism in this country with the patriarch or ARCHE in this country has controlled. Everything has silenced women generation after generation. So this moment that we're in is not just about him. And what he has allegedly done is also about generations of women who never felt as though their voices could be heard, even their voices would be listened to because men control all believers of power in this country. Do you agree with that? I agree with what Senator Turner thing. I want to underscore here though that Brett Brett Cavanaugh. On came out and painted himself as an ally of women of someone that champions women. And if he is truly a champion, I've yet to hear Br Cavanaugh, speak out on behalf of these women's speak out to say that not only should these women get their due, but we need to have an FBI investigation this this. This is the patriarchy full display. This is patriarchy on full display. German Grassley already has a committee vote for cavenaugh scheduled on Friday. What do you think of that? I mean, the fact that the hearings on Thursday and there's going to be a committee vote, Friday. Look, you know, the argument that she has not been heard. She's been invited to testify before. She's going to be heard they the committee. It seemed very solicitous. They said we can send people out to California if you don't, if you're free to fly. I mean, there were all kinds of ways that they committee was attempting to give her a platform. So I don't think it's quite fair to say that the patriarchy was in action. In this case, at least in this case. Back in her character and the media. Well, I'm sending on the on the Senate floor and said, this is a smear campaign and the thirty. She is at work as well with people saying, of course, Brad Kavanagh must be guilty, isn't the man? Privileged bet shouldn't happen. And unfortunately, in this twenty four hour news, psycho social media, but these are the points. It is the height of areas for the Republicans to say, we're going to give her day and they were going to vote the next day to me. They're already predisposed. They don't care. They don't care. They don't care what she has to say his isn't the phone of giving day having isn't that exactly the way the process that changes things, why don't they let her have her say now we have two other win. Let's let's the I investigation. It should be police investigations in those jurisdictions where these things have happened. But to say the berry next day, regardless and leader McConnell is already on record. As you know, saying, don't worry about it Republicans. We don't care what they say. What these women have to say. He will see you. You have them wind that it does convey something when you say, well, we're going to let her talk, and then we're going to go with right away anyway. No, I, I don't dispute that. But what I would say is that it's not just the Republicans, the Democrats to are showing bad faith here. I mean, they are the ones who right at the beginning of the hearing were saying, well, first of all, interrupting speaker and also demanding all of these documents when they all one second already been on the record saying they were opposing him because. But. I just want to back. This is a job interview. If anyone, if this is a job interview, I would be hard pressed the thing that anybody at this table with someone come into your your your job for potential with a potential application to say, I want to work here and all the allegations and everything that has come out about break Cavanaugh. You didn't have their their full resume. You didn't have their full work history. You're willing to hire them for a lifetime appointment, a lifetime of women, and you don't have all the. The democrat prison Democrats are saying, we have a lot happening here scrub. We need to pump the brake prison. United States are brick having all the United States Senate higher break cabin, offer the DC circuit court of appeals. I have a hard time believing that someone who cleared six FBI background checks. So was over a period of time running what amounts to apparently a gang rape, sex ring involving hundreds of the most prominent children from the most prominent families. These air, Do you think all three women are lying? I don't know what these women are doing. I think they deserve to be heard. I think Grassley has done the right thing by having Ford come in. I think the circumstances of today's allegations are strange. If you look into the details of it, I think the committee should listen to Dr four, but listening to Dr Ford and judge Cavanaugh. I don't understand why that should then indefinitely postponed a vote. Why shouldn't they get my head? It definitely what the Democrats asked what I want to be withdrawn today. That would be a democrat. Let me tell you. I'm not. Here to lobby for the democrat. I am here to say, let the truth come out as my grandmother used to say. You could be truth in the river four days after latte, truth gone catch up. And so the truth is going to catch up. But in order for that to catch up, you cannot have. This is a very seri-. These allegations are serious and they are allegations. I will give you that some Democrats may be playing politics with this in the same way that folks bid to doctor Nida, he'll that should have never happened to her. But this is about these women and maybe other women, and they should be able to have not only their say, but not to have Senate Republicans be so era Ghent in this moment that they're going to say she can. She can have her say, but we're gonna vote anyway. What. This back and not sewing. Professor for did not want her. Yeah, home, but that's not the reason because I Feinstein released the information about the more. I went to underscore this. About the league. Let's say he reached the fact of the letter before Ford had gone public. Let's take a quick break. We're gonna talk more about this, but up. Next I'm going to talk to the lawyer who's representing this third woman who came forward with these allegations against Brookhaven. And then this doesn't happen very often. President Trump is going to have solo news conference just in a few minutes with us. My name is Paul Shirley, and I've gone on a lot of dates. I've noticed something on these dates. I often find myself telling the same stories stories about my mother teaching sex Ed stories about playing college basketball stories about playing NBA basketball and almost dying in the process. We all do this. We tell stories on dates because dates or when we get to explain where we've been and what we've seen in why we think like we do my name is Paul Shirley, and I hope you'll check out my new narrative podcast stories I tell on dates, you can subscribe for free on apple podcasts or wherever you find your favorite shows. Judge Kavanagh's latest accuser, Julie sweat, Nick is represented by the same attorney who represents Trump nemesis stormy Daniels and who also himself might run for president as a democrat in two thousand twenty President Trump called that attorney, Michael ebony quote, low-life today and pointed out that he's a democrat joining me now on the phone is Michael Avenida, Michael, thanks for joining us. Does President Trump have a point that your history at the very least the fact that you're talking about running for president against him, might color the way that the public views miss sweat Knicks allegations. Certainly hope hope. Not Jake. I mean, I think that's outrageous, frankly, Donald Trump knows nothing of my background. Those nothing of my nearly twenty year record as an attorney for f- presented. Democrats have represented, Republicans have represented working people all of the United States. This is nothing but an effort by Donald Trump at Lindsey, Graham and other Republican hacks designed to distract away from the very serious sworn allegations in the declaration by my client who is one hundred percents, credible, and they don't know what to do with the allegation. So now what they wanna do is they want to try to attack me and it's disgusting. Let's let's talk about the allegations judiciary committee reached down to you for an interview with your your client. Is that the plan is going to be an interview, and if so, when. Well, we initially alerted the committee to the allegations on Sunday evening. They refuse to get back to us on Monday. They refused to get back to it on Tuesday. It was only within the last couple of hours that they finally got back to us and said that they wanna be with my client were considering that request. But frankly, Jake, that's not how this should be angled. The FBI should be taught in do a proper investigation interview all of the witnesses. All of the accusers. They should interview Brad Kavanagh, and then they should present those findings to the finish judiciary committee and they should be made public so that alternately we can get to the truth. This is he's searched for the truth before this man is voted on as it relates to potentially serving on the highest court of the land for the rest of his life. When you're talking about an FBI investigation, I want you to take a listen to a big question posed by Kavanagh's attorney, Beth Wilkinson about how you're handling. This allegation. Take a listen. Why in the world did he not take these allegations? The sworn statement from her which they have submitted to the Senate Judiciary committee. Those are not long for people as an attorney. Your obligation is to your client, and if you believe that these crimes were committed against your client, you should go immediately to law enforcement. So you're talking about trying to get an FBI investigation. But I guess the question the Beth Wilkinson Kavanagh's attorneys asking is, why don't you and your client go to the police. Presumably Montgomery, police come Montgomery County police or DC police? Well, we're certainly considering that Jake at as at this moment, but look, this is a distraction by council for mister Cavanaugh. Let me ask you this question. We've offered offered to have my client take polygraph examination. Why won't cavenaugh take a polygraph examination? Why won't break an allow his close friend Mark gut to is very knowledgeable about what happened? Very knowledgeable about these Al. Gatien why are they hiding Mark judge from the American people and the Senate Judiciary committee? Why won't they bring him in to testify? Truthfully, I we want with the Jake. I want to be really clear about. We want all of this aired and we want it aired publicly and we want the American people to be able to decide who's lying and who's telling the truth. This should not be decided by a bunch of white privilege guys that are basically shaming sexual abuse. So you're willing your client would be willing to testify publicly about her charges before the absolutely. But we believe I for Maria investigative eighty correct. Full FBI veteran. Jake lemme ask you this question. Why is it that win the most heinous crimes appear or occur? I should say on US soil, whether it'd be nine, eleven or Timothy McVeigh or the unit bomber for any number of other crimes. Why do we turn to the FBI in those instances. But now the Senate Judiciary committee, Brad Kavanagh, and Donald Trump are afraid that the f. i. investigate these out. I'm certainly taking position on it, but I, I would point out that you haven't committed to taking these allegations to local law enforcement, which seems like a reasonable thing to do as far as I know I'm under the impression that there is no statute of limitation for rape in Montgomery County, Maryland. So that is something you can do your considering it. I want to ask you about your client sworn declaration. She details a horrific assault saying, quote in approximately nine hundred eighty two, I became the victim of one of these gang or train rapes, remarked judge and Brad cavenaugh were present. No, she didn't specifically say good. Cavanaugh was one of the attackers is your client claiming the cavenaugh raped her? I'm not gonna have any further comment on that particular allegation. She's going to detail that for the FBI and hopefully for the Senate Judiciary committee, ultimately in a public hearing, but I'm not provide visit pretty Big Mac number eight million out there. Yeah. I mean, you know, you're saying that cavenaugh was present that cavenaugh was present in the room. He was in the line. He was in the party. I mean, just to say he was present is really agree. GIS lack of specificity when you're talking about charges, this horrific. And I'm not saying that I don't believe them. I'm just saying, what exactly are you saying? Is she saying that he did Jake, I disagree completely with what you just said. Let me be clear about something. This is not my declaration. These are statements by my client fever. I statement about what happened at. Let's just eliminate that paragraph of the declaration in its entirety just for the sake of argument. You mean to tell me that the balance of the declaration still permits him to be sworn in as a sitting supreme court Justice? No, it does not. The conduct that is littered throughout the declaration is outrageous. There are plenty of been and women. In the United States that serve as Turney and judges that don't have this kind of conduct in their background. I want to ask you about something else that Kavanagh's attorney. Beth Wilkinson said, we'll flits her earlier today in which she seemed to be suggesting that the public should be questioning your clients. Judgment. Take a listen. When you say you went to ten parties like that, and you kept going to those parties even though that was happening and you saw that supposedly happening other girls that is a different thing not to report. This is saying, I went with other women other girls at the time. I saw all this happening and I went back and I went back again and I never told anyone and I never brought it up. I never thought about what was happening to those other women. I just I have a very hard time believing. That's true. What's your response to that? Michael while to responsible responses, my client did not have all the details about what was going on in those back rooms at each party that she went to. That's number one. And here's my second response. To that. Jake, I'll tell you what I'll make this offer morning noon and night. I'm gonna make it now. Why don't we play my client under oath and miss Wilkinson in question for eight hours about these allegations, and then let's place, Brad Kavanagh under of and I can question him for eight hours about these allegations. I'm ready to do it. We'll do it tomorrow. We've heard voiced at at our panel table today, skepticism about the notion that according to your client, there were regularly gang rapes at these parties just outside Washington DC. Can you understand why some people might be skeptical that this is only now starting to come out. Why can understand why people may be skeptical. But I think if you look at the New Yorker article, for instance, there's statements within that article that support these allegations, and this declaration is submitted under penalty of perjury. Jake, Mike client has multiple security clauses that she's been granted over the years by the federal government. She understands the seriousness of these allegations. The fact that she could be charged with perjury if they turned out to be false. She also understand that she's putting her livelihood in many instances at risk because of the fact that these are made under penalty of perjury. I, I understand. We mentioned that that quote about Mark does is ex girlfriend of talking to the New Yorker earlier in the show. Just a couple more questions, Michael. I know you have a busy schedule. When did you first hear from Julia sweat, Nick was before or after Christine. Blasi. Ford story was published in the Washington Post two Sundays ago. It was within the last month within the last month. But after professor Ford's allegations came out, I Don. Don't know. Frankly, you say that there are two witnesses witnesses to what what what can they back on? Well, there's more than two witnesses there. There were two witnesses to the actual sole involving my client, but there are multiple witnesses that can attest to the balance of the conduct which is set forth within this declaration. There's many, many witnesses. Jake, there's a lot of who are the end is that there's a number of men and women that can attest to the fact of the circumstances in this declaration, and we're going to provide those witnesses to the FBI is is we're contact, what would you provide them to me? Would you provide them to CNN and the media so that we can do? I mean, the war doesn't look like the FBI at this point anyway, is going to investigate this. Would you provide them to us so that we can talk to these individuals while Jake CNN and and the Jake tapper show and not the investigatory bodies that have judgment ultimately on allegations. So we're going to consider what the. With the names of these witnesses to cooperate these accusations. And again, we've offered that my client for polygraph examination. We could do that tomorrow as well. Maybe we could do that right after I did done examining a capital. All right, Michael, have Nadi. We thank you for your time. Thank you for answering their questions. We really appreciate it. Thank you Republicans, say tomorrow's hearing will not be delayed, and now they've hired some help. The female prosecutor will be questioning, Christine, Blasi Ford and Brad Kavanagh. Next plus a rare solo press conference for President Trump. What might he say about these latest allegations? Stay with us. Hey, Howard Beck, and I've got been Gulliver of Sports Illustrated on Bleacher reports, the bowl, forty, eight light. You were Costa leads. So you know, we're not really like the pro violent, but what I look at what kind of a tree hugger from Oregon, right? But when I look at Lakers trading hip, it feels like the vote likely plays in the league that fits by will break out at some point. So check out the full forty eight now, bleach report podcast and Spotify. In just minutes, a rare solo, press conference for President Trump where he will undoubtedly be asked about the shocking new allegations against the premium court nominee Brad Kavanagh, and he will likely launch his defense against ahead of tomorrow's hearing with Christine Blasi Ford. We've just learned that Rachel Mitchell the outside counsel. Republicans have higher question for it and Cavanaugh during that hearing has been preparing all day with the Senate Judiciary committee attorneys sources tell CNN the Mitchell plans to be equally as tough on judge Brad Kavanagh as she is on his accuser professor Blasi Ford's c. n. n.'s Tom foreman takes a closer look now at the career and reputation of prosecutor Rachel Mitchell. The first step in the process is selecting a victim or targeting victim. There are a lot of different things that offenders look for vats, Rachel Mitchell in sports video, promoting safe interactions between coaches and kids preventing sex crimes and locking up. Sexual predators has been the cornerstone of her career as a prosecutor in Arizona for decades. Now, she has handled high profile cases and she has long recognized the reluctance of victims, especially young ones to come forward in an interview. She said in reality, children often keep this secret for years sometimes into their adulthood sometimes forever, and they may or may not tell everything. So in the Senate where the entire Republican side of the judiciary committee is male party leaders are convinced Mitchell widely reported to be Republican is the right person to question. Christine. Blasi Ford about Iraq whose ations of sexual misconduct aimed at supreme court nominee Brett cavenaugh when both were in. In high school, we have hired of the female assistant to go on staff and ask these questions in a respectful and professional way. Critics of exploded at that term. Democrats are Scoffing at GOP claims. Their goal is to de politicize the process and get to the truth, and an activist group is opposing the use of a prosecutor at all saying, it is impossible to imagine how difficult this process will be for Dr Ford, but it also creates the wrong environment for gathering information from a person providing an account of her own sexual assault. Still, some of Mitchell's colleagues are speaking up to telling the Washington Post. Rachel will do her job as a professional. She does not play politics when it comes to anything involving her work. In my experience. She is a very pointed questioner of adverse witnesses, but she is also very fair in political terms of the Democrats are getting out of this as an opportunity to call Republicans coward saying there. Hiding behind Mitchell, but there's a long game in here for Republicans to because they will now not likely after see ads going into the midterms where these Republican men are going after this woman on the witness stand something, which would possibly further alienate female voters from the Republican side j.. All right, Tom foreman. Thanks as we wait for his live news conference and just minutes. President Trump is in full throttle defense of his court nominee. But the reason why might surprise you stay with us. How many cats in providence head coach Ed Cooley is on March madness. Three sixty five. I'm excited about the group nervous in one fence because of our inexperience in the back court. But Makarov medicine are length and toughness. Subscribe to much man, three sixty five now at apple podcasts and Spotify. We're just moments away from truly rare event for President Trump. He will hold a solo news conference with reporters. This will be just his fourth one since taking office is second in this country aides. Tell CNN the despite the new allegations against judge Brad Kavanagh, President Trump will continue to unequivocally defend his pre court nominee. In fact, we're told that he will question the motivations of the now. Three accusers CNN senior White House correspondent Jeff Zeleny joins me now from outside Trump, Tower in New York and Jeff earlier today to pull spray the president ignored a question from a reporter about whether he thought the three accusers are lying, but doubtful. He'll be able to dodge that question in a few minutes. Well, Jake, it is an open question if he'll be able to dodge that or not, but he did have that look of annoyance and exasperation if you will on his face when he was asked that, and that is one thing that actually concerned some Republicans on Capitol Hill will the president be helpful in this news conference or really actually hurt the cause. President Trump is not only still standing by judge Brett cavenaugh, but tonight he's taking the reins of defending the embattled supreme court. Nominee is a disgrace what's going on. The good news is the public is very smart, and they get the president is taking the confirmation battle to the court of public opinion. He's grown increasingly dissatisfied with how cavenaugh has defended himself. CNN is learn telling one official. The judge seemed wooden on telling the truth and not sufficiently aggressive in his Fox News interview this week. I'm not gonna let false accusations try boss. Now out of this process, the president blasted Democrats again today seizing on Michael ebony whose representing the third woman to come forward with the accusations, the live, he represented Democrats, nobody results about that. He's a democrat lawyer that a very good one, but clearly not wanting to talk about the women who are stepping forward l. three winning line, what should exploration in. Instead, he's trying to harden partisan lines. Personally, coining this phrase, it's come game playing a con game. This is a conduct in hopes of diminishing the allegations. No, they know into Tanya CON a time game today. The latest accusation unfolded, just as the president was chairing a meeting of the United Nations Security council called to order six weeks before the midterm elections. The president made a rare reference to election meddling not against Russia, but China offering a warning cry for the final push of the fall campaign regrettably we found that China has been attempting to interfere in our upcoming Twenty-eight teen election. Coming up in November. Against my administration. They do not want me or us to win. So Jake, we are now just a few minutes away from that news conference and the president believes on the eve of this hearing in the Senate that he and he alone can put the best spin on this that he can defend his nominee. The question is, what effect will it have on those key senators? You'll remember over the weekend when Senator Susan Collins of Maine said she was appalled by one of the president's tweets and his comments. Jake Jeff Zeleny with President Trump at the UN in New York. Let's talk about this with our experts. So if the premise is that the Senate is a jury and that the tough jurors right now are McAliskey Collins flake, those individuals that the the, the red meat red state Republicans are with him. Democrats are gone. What do you think President Trump should take on as his tone at this press conference today? When it comes to these accusers of off, I don't think he should discuss it at all because I think his hand handling of these kinds of things is to put his foot directly into his mouth. All. All the way down and he'll just make trouble for those Republicans. So he should just be as calm and as serene. And then like as he can possibly match Trump. I'm sorry, I wasn't clear about my question. Yeah, I was talking about President Trump. I just want to make sure you knew is. Yeah, yeah, but that's your advice. Okay. So Mitch McConnell called President Trump after he made a Twitter suggestion that Jeff link earlier today attack, which is the idea that just because a woman doesn't report something to the police, then it shouldn't be trusted when she makes the allegation years later. Mitch McConnell said that's not helpful to President Trump because of the votes of Murkowski Collins, etc. Well, I think that developments today have given the president, a target he can shoot at Michael is the front runner for the twenty twenty democrat, Michael ebony. His entrance into this fray gives Donald Trump. Somebody he can go after aggressively. He's not has to go. He doesn't have to talk about the accusers. He can leave that alone as Mona pointed out, but he's now got a foil that unites Republicans. He's right, and I think he will do. I think he will do I, but that's, that's absolutely the problem here we're talking about Dr Ford and other women who have come forward who are voicing what happened to them. And you got two people the president and avenue d playing politics with this. That is the problem that he has a target instead of focusing in on which he won't be able to do. He won't be able to stay focus to focus in on the accusers. And let them have their say and evaluate this through a lens of Justice and fairness, but he can't do it. But that is part of the problem with the politics between him and have a ninety. That is part of the reason why the American people are so turned off by this, not just them, but I'm saying there to symbols here. They're going jousting. Meanwhile, these women are left in the wake of this foolishness. I'm not about to give back live natty that much credit. Look, he the allegations. Look, the allegations are serious today. I think we need to hear more about that, but this isn't about Michael avenue. This is about Dr Ford and the women, and the fact that Republicans are advocating their duty on the Senate Judiciary committee does not doing that question. We're going to keep talking about this. We're going to squeeze in a quick break, stay with us. Hey, it's Howard Beck, and I've got money mccutchen the NBA vice president of referee development and training on Bleacher reports. The full forty eight referee served the game, our players, our coaches, and our franchises are the game. And that's a huge distinction that I- refugees on your skin and it's wonderful to serve this. This game is the best game ever invented to my biased opinion. And I, we love serving the game. So check out the full forty eight. Now on the Bleacher report app, apple podcasts, and Spotify. And you're looking at live pictures from New York City, were any moment. President Trump is going to walk out and hold a solo news conference only his second solo news conference in the United States since his presidency began. We're going to continue the conversation when the president starts speaking. Obviously, we'll bring that to you live you. You said that you would like President Trump to treat these women more respectfully, but what if he actually? And he honestly thinks that that that this is a con job, as he said, he thinks the Democrats are playing politics with this. What would you advise him? How could he at least please you in what he says is today, that's all order it is you don't like him. I get that, but like what you want to hear fine. How politics I mean, he should. He should say, I mean, he can support Kevin often say he believes him, but he also should not try to indict the women who've come out, come forward to say that they had a different set of experiences with Kevin. He should accept that and listen to what they have to say and not. Try to catch the Spurs against them. I mean, he has. I mean, he has his own set of problems in this area too. So it's not surprising that he's gonna believe a judge cavenaugh, but to try to defame the women and belittle them and tear them down is not the way to go live. Glasshouse Campos. Donald Trump has been accused by multiple women well, over a dozen of sexual assaults at ranging consensual thoughts of sexual harassment. He's on tape talking about grabbing women by the new. You know what the bar is low for him. So he needs to be quiet images of question about cavenaugh. At what point do you think this becomes so problematic that they have to just cut bait. I mean already this, if let's say Marco, Rubio votes for capital and let's say Mark and he gets on the supreme court that will be used against Marco Rubio fairly or not. But then you've established that an unsubstantiated accusation lobbed at the last minute would be successful in torpedoing a great career. Three of that cannot be yes. Okay. On here. Committee, I won't remind it's just it is. It is a kind of of of grotesque unfairness that I don't think we want to enshrine is the way we do business in this country. Walking away from Kevin all would be demoralizing to the Republican party ahead of this mid term. I think there's absolute determination to take it to the floor and let everybody get on the record on this because if they don't, there is going to be widespread dissatisfaction with the entirety of the Republican process. Here in the question will be asked by the grassroots Republicans. We control all these legs of the stool, and we can't stand up to the liberal mob. Okay. Here are demoralized. Here's pro here. So many people around the world depend on CNN's quality reporting. And now they have an incredible online store. 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Episode 27 Hispanic and Latinx heritage month!
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So Hey, everybody Dantonio in the arts foundation also a part of the first court with Porterhouse Casey. Thank you bannon. Sean. For having me tonight. Joining us. This is keep going around. Iger up knits. All right. My Name is head Galizia. I'm the director of Central Vienna Betterment Association in my passion. Is Our being the community grow stronger and fight for? Social. Justice. Or programs are very defined to. Teach. People how to fish rather than giving them fish, and so we go from there. To. Laura. Or make money you know all the things necessary in life. Tripping. Because If you don't just take was. Even if you know how to fish. In we go. So let's take out with this. All, right. We Got Chico. Hey what's up Can you hear me? Yeah Chico Sierra Artists Visual Artists Musicians in. Kansas City. Political Agitator I duNNo. People. That's my. That's my idea. Good. Good Do you join. Soup Gabriella. Hello. Everybody I'm definitely in the right group agitators and instincts. But. My name is going to be. I'm restaurant owner, my husband and I own. Channels. I know in o'fallon Missouri I'm lost the PODCAST. Co founder of. Post which is a resource in education page as a response to pandemic and the Business Counselor at the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce Metropolitan Saint. Louis. Asking maybe. Got Nerves. Of My cast host. Guess. You. Not have this same. Passed so Go. Hi everybody. My name is the sun out our media. I am Pergamon. But he central Avenue Betterman. Association I also have a small business owner. I'm sorry. We hear you. Is, it can you guys were me? Okay. On a small business owner I have an online store. On facebook lobby and also on the community advocate I, have A. Page on facebook immediately switch I used to promote small businesses or businesses people that are starting to sell from their home and stuff so. ME. On? Laugh. To. accept. and. So I'm. 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Everybody knows if you're out there and you have problem. In the city of Libraries L. Library help you. Other. Co, founder. House Casey and I'm excited to have our guests. Into this. If you are watching right now to then timing of the Congress. Talks are. Not Questions. Out there just to say, Hey, we're excited to have you watched this episode this Wednesday. So you shut off liquid this. Morning over. Some good worth. So much. Now are huge at forward. Cities is really giving people a place. It's like the nudity navigator For everyone else like sometimes you want to the Rue de like, oh, I can't hear. Or nobody else looks like me in this. Wrong they would people who don't feel good places not. Over the other egg that's Awesome, awesome. Myself Okay I want to give a shout out to my wife I. Like to get this like to give set onto flex. Hard we in the spot filed yet I like to give a shout out to Kauffman Foundation. I like to give a shoutout to. 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Don't even know can happen there. So meeting all the prayers for that. But first and foremost I wanNA think a mccamley They're always there for me. wouldn't be here right now without them but. What to cry? Wanted. Out to the morale is family TJ Morales. Very good finding our Latino community? Of It hit him and has hit a lot of our other friends and family and electoral community is Kobe Israel Liquor Take care of each other I just wanted to send let him prayers to the family into the community as well as for the Coronado family Very excited. machiko is going to be home. He's like my little brother and just praying for all the family to get better and well. So again, community is strong in we watch with occurs in our love and we're here for you always. and. Just always remember the boat I have to get that shot out. We cannot do this without the votes we got to San together the Latino community and stand strong I don't care what you do how you do it. Because you got to vote like nobody else is around vote like you're an elderly teach you knew someone in your family is is that and they don't have housing or anything. So he's just got their vote. That's my shoutout. Awesome awesome. Are Right angered. You got sat outs. I wanted to shout to first of all older organizations and the people that you are mentioning but my shoutout goes straight to the border and the people who are walking dry. Now I've nor trying to make a better life in sacrificing every game for a better quality of life in a better life for their own families NBA one of them is welcome in we're going to help you want you can to make it happen for all of all of. All community. Right so we the camera because I was kind of weird in Kit. The? Dj. That was weird. So go right news another. Factors out to my husband Edgar Palacios founder of the Latin x education collaborative representation matters. We need mar teachers that are Latin next that. Represent those populations in schools. Also want to give a special shout out to surge Bam you in the building you a sending love. So I appreciate it. My final shoutout is going to be El Paso Texas because I. Mean I'm a product of that city it's made who I am. I wouldn't be as outspoken as I am if it wasn't for that place. Agreed with the inner go vote. But like it's your business like it's not your business boat like cheese may on the street like get your vote can please. Yes most definitely gets voted. That's. Absolutely the. Building. Ultimate gang is in the building mysterious Bill Williams. Alex Alice representing a are Game Reality Your House. Thank you skipped. Chico. All right I wanNA give a shout out to all my friends and community here in Saint Louis Missouri where I'm at and then also everybody. Feel that the census. If you haven't please filled out, we did get a small extension. So be sure that by October the fifth we fill out the census and I have the echo everyone else's inspiration call to action or whatever please get out there and vote we need to make sure they were counted there are a hundred and twenty five thousand or thereabouts Hispanic eligible voters in the state of Missouri we need to make sure that all of us get out there She Go. I, mean that's my partner with. What keeping our son busy you know. So he's not up a little bit Stephen. And just like essential workers like educators nurses. Immigrants working in the fields we know when California's on fire, we've got immigrants hold old download, our food you know like all the stuff that we need to live is brought to you. Primarily, by immigrants up shot to them always essential people making a minimum wage. WORKING THEIR ASS off. So we could get fast food when we need it's been working this whole time you know. Yeah Chateau everybody given given. You know everybody the opportunity to vote like people out there registered people offering rides to polls. And getting all that done is a think it's it's one most important times in my life to vote Important. But especially now you know for everybody involved guest, get outvote get this clown. Yeah. Are Susannah Zana. I WANNA give a shout out first and foremost to my awesome children that they put up the patient with me in. Everything that I do like today I was like get the IPAD ready. Do this do that someone is definitely thank them I wanNA definitely give a shoutout to all of you guys for everything that you guys do. It's awesome. Awesome. Awesome. The opportunities that I've been given also WANNA give a shoutout if you are not registered to vote or you have not filled out your senses, you can definitely come out to eat on Saturday. October third in central is out there helping to do that. So those are my shoutouts. Amaze. You are right. Hey, my charity. Definitely gotTA give shots. My wife She's taking care of the kids. And, doing all the days they stuff as well as carrying down the household in working fulltime especially. The work from home. So after her To Morgan, she kill it at a navigator. Cross city. Atrocity convenient. We did we estimate compliments on all the great stuff you get out you put out there. So thank you more. Into support as well. So we're launching the mentorship program. With both of you, so appreciate all the work you guys doing that it's going to be kicking off next Monday excited for that to the chiefs. Win On Monday. So fallen off that injury from there and they're just to the hustlers, the creators makers out there. Jim what they can't keep their business alive and going. So we're here to help support. Take. Awesome. So now you can get into the questions Grew. Switch it up a little bit and I'm a I'm a goal engage I. Would just go back. In. The doesn't Alexis be thing. So we're we're really for the show. Got Entrepreneurs advocates are as week wanted a little bit about your background. So I know they allow watching me may know you come. To. Not. So we went a goal, ours is exposed to our guest as. A our. Show right is be able to. Pollination right but we WANNA make sure. We're in the right communities WE WANNA, make sure that our communities. So. That's why we just. SAW Tell us a little bit about your background in how. The work that you are. Now so You the quick version. Eight to that we don't have to pay for a room. This is no rental rose face. This situation so Expression. Expression of okay is like you know. Good. Good. So I was born racing Topeka Kansas My Dad immigrated from Mexico from from Mexico when he was a teenager met, my mom had nine kids. So I'm second nine kids. In Elementary School my dad ended up starting a side business hustling selling t shirts on the corner law. Had, lots success doing that. So he ended up having to make a decision whether he's going to close the business up for wintertime or strike out in physical shop. So he ended up opening up a store. really geared towards the Latino community and selling everything from cowboy boots to cowsheds CACTUS. Calling cards back in the day. So just a bit of everything in. Success but. He also was at a much. He's Muslim type of mentality where you'd want to ask for help you didn't know gonNA help for help. In because, this was new type of product type of customer base team four in. So he started fall behind in taxes doing paperwork with the business and whatnot like a lot of our small businesses they tried to do it all themselves. And he ended up having to close down his business due to back taxes. So I was going to school when he trying to figure out what I wanted to study. And studying computer science at that time. In. So I wanted to help my dad's doesn't I switched my major to finance and entrepreneurship. That's what I ended up wanting to be able to help small businesses like my dad and so Went to Washburn University graduated in there right. When I was graduating had been doing a lot of entiere work in the community we have helped. Him. He got into Pika which we had grown that festival pretty pretty well over my time tearing there was also at that time, we were pushing for for Dream Act in Topeka in. So start to get involved politically with that Pasha watch premiership. So right when I was graduating gentleman I was volunteering for Carlos Gomez had been selected to be President for Hispanic Chamber. In. So he, he's all my three passions that I enjoyed in love and so he invited me to come in in ticket position here with chamber had no idea what position was going to be. The Casey because I was like, ma'am, get all these highways. Anybody. Up here. But. It's been a fun ride. ended. Up a year later my first year started a group called Young Latino professionals. To, get an opportunity for Latinos to be able to network with each other to be able for professional development in their community service and they're not it's just taken off their Chamber for twelve years took on this fellowship with each with the Ford City. So Yeah. We've been around each other. Avenue. Huge families. That's all. Yeah. Yeah. Sad. Most of his own, the nonprofit world. So yeah. US to give back so. Yeah Explode. I'm just letting you know that games on. All about. Conway Gotcha. Okay well, I was born in California. My parents are from one particle making. I am one of five children, every allies, my sister. I been. Yes. We. Mesa. You're at. School. Does. Okay. We grew up in Saint Louis. I moved to Chicago for a few years and then I came back Lewis and then in two thousand eight, I have the opportunity to transfer to Kansas. City with my job and I've been out here in Kansas City since two thousand eight. I've always loved a swing. I've always loved custody. So I've done that very, very, very long time I, have started a small business online where I sell, I felt a lot of different items mostly like handcrafted items, for Mexico. I am also the program manager, a with Central Avenue Betterment Association. That is my boss. Community advocate. Now, I don't live in the community of Kansas City Kansas but I have made myself a part of that community I live in Blue Springs. Missouri I love being out there. I, love working out there I love being out there love working placebo. I am also a community advocate I have a page on facebook I helped promote small businesses of coming businesses on people are starting out from their home just to get the. Word out to let people know that they're there. That's you know they sell an awesome product awesome food or Whatever it is they're they're selling. So that is that is what I do in at like I said of the program manager that and that has been something. Awesome. Awesome for me how I got involved is I they of the dead in two thousand seventeen I believe it was. was the first to sorry two thousand, sixteen right out. With the two thousand sixteen. On add on bass look that there was going to be this event and I wanted to go sell on my item product at at time I made treats So I I contacted him I was a vendor that first year and then after that I love all of it everything that happened that day and I had said I sent him an email and I let him know that I was interested in volunteering if there is any opportunities for volunteering on your girl I wanNA help. So that's how we got started and I volunteered in two, thousand, seventeen, two, thousand, eighteen, two, thousand, nineteen. And then became part of Central Avenue Betterment Association. So that's how it happened in. It's just it's awesome I love it. I tried, but you didn't want me to go. I Love I love being. In everything that that we've been working on and now. Partnering up a Little Bit with Morgan with my sister and I'm just excited. This is new to me. I'm learning I love it because I definitely want to be able to help the community, end the small business owners like myself because I I know what it's like not to know at you know the have somebody to be able to explain it to me on my level is awesome. So We. Grew your face page. You gotta put that into comments. So. All you. Stuff. That'd be awesome. Thank you. Very. Well, now that Susanna gave it away. So she's my youngest. Out of the five of us, I'm the oldest I was born in one a hot though actually in my family came to California when I was pretty young. And eventually we ended up in in Missouri because of the General Motors Assembly Center. So we moved here I went to Mizzou got married in we moved to Michigan. So I was there for twenty years and then basically divorce happened in at that time I had never worked and there was without a place to live without a car anything. So my other sister took me in and I had to reinvent myself I. Had to figure out what could I actually do, and I remember being at the unemployment office because in order to get cash assistance, you have to be applying for work and she's like, okay. So what can you do and I'm like well, I have a master's degree but the only thing I really can do is speak Spanish and lead girl scout troops because I had been a girl scout volunteer for a long time. So I put it out into the universe in probably less than two weeks. Later, the girl scouts of southeastern Michigan opened a position for a Hispanic initiative coordinator. So suddenly I found myself in southwest Detroit in the Hispanic Community of recruiting not just grow violent a girls to become members, of Girl Scouts but girl adult female adults to also be volunteers as gross leaders and. The Girl Scout Cookie Sale I know you guys have heard about it. You heard that that's the biggest entrepreneurship training for girls in it truly is, and that's kind of where my passion for entrepreneurship also started to watch the girls in their troops to make a difference in their communities. So, around that time I got remarried and my husband wanted to open a Mexican restaurant that was his dream and so at that time too we were just looking at places we decided to come back to St Louis he opened the restaurant in two thousand fifteen. So we just celebrated our five year anniversary. Thank you. Yeah. We're pretty excited about that. And I honestly didn't know what it would be like to come back to Missouri. I was a little bit worried because I didn't have a great first experience when we arrived in one, thousand, nine, hundred, five but it's been amazing. It's been an amazing journey. The community has really been supportive and as as as I got here, I actually started working at the Hispanic Chamber instant Lewis and really kind of got my feet wet to help small businesses. That's what I had been doing in Detroit and when I spoke with my boss. I actually was interviewing for a different job in when he realized the background that I had he said, you know we've been talking about developing a position like this in the past and so on board But then as after I got here in two thousand sixteen, I started to see that there were other needs right? We didn't really have a voice as the Hispanic community in Saint Louis and that was one of reasons why the podcast was so important to me because I, wanted to make sure that we could elevate and empower Hispanic. Lingual professionals and small business owners. It's not enough to be here. We have the promote each other in early, celebrate each other and so the podcast was really exciting for me at the time I also ended up writing a book and I'm also I didn't mention earlier, but I'm also a volunteer position. So sometimes, I discounted by I am the executive director at the boss foundation so we give out. Ten, one thousand dollar grants twice a year to first time entrepreneurs on and then put them through a cohort probably similar to the one that you guys do for ten weeks. So it's it's been an amazing journey for me. I have truly come to love St Louis in the community that that is here, but there's also so much work still to be done, which is why my friend this thrilling alone and I started. A. Whom does because when the pandemic hit there was nothing that was in Spanish governors order the stay at home orders and early March we kept saying, okay somebody's GonNa. Do it you know some organization will will do it somebody's GonNa take care of it, and at that time we realized we were somebody you know you hear about that statements So we started doing the translation we started telling people don't come out of your house don't go this or how do you? Not Get infected, wash your hands social, distancing all of that because we were seeing that although there's information in Spanish in other states, the community in Saint Louis was looking at it as if that's over there, that's not here. I. Don't have to worry about it right now and so are page religious grew overnight I mean some some weeks when we look at the insights where reaching over six thousand people because the need is there. and. So we wanted to make sure that we provide. So it's really a page that provides resources information education. We're not providing any direct services ourselves. We're basically just translating sharing the resources that are already out there. We do get involved a lot just because with through facebook messenger in the fact that the Latino community spends a lot of time on facebook. We've got a lot of direct asks so it's very easy to be up late at night at eleven o'clock still answering messages on I think that now that the pandemic has extended, you know horn months seven. People are kind of loosening up on some of those initial restriction. So again, we're trying to remind them don't let your guard down there still so much that you need to make sure that you're taking care of. So really just WanNa make a difference I know you talked a little bit about what influences one of the questions was what influences are working. It's really just having had firsthand experience of what She'd sheets. Now no no I get it. I'll wait. King. So was the name. That you wrote. My Book is an anthology that we that I wrote with a couple of different friends of ours. The name of your carcass, the name of the podcast held out tentacle podcast. I. Can put it in the comments if you guys want. Absolutely. So we can actually learn how to do real high. On. She Go. Was the question again so Oh Yeah Yeah I'm a I'm an artist from El Paso Texas been in Kansas City for a long time he eh, big EP. and. Like I'm just an artist. That's what like I mean I've done music play a riot a little bit And the mostly unknown like visual Art Sort of go with what like you know my passion is the time to sort of topics. That people touch on where I needed like people. I do a lot of commissions and Steph been doing a lot of murals lately, and my background is dislike I'M A. I've just always done like high school dropout worked manual Labor for most by like adult life and I would do art on the side like just sort of and I've always been like politically conscious but it was always just sort of out of my reach sort of combine the two like sort of this hobby in like. Things I wanted to say and didn't feel like I could get out of like the situation I was living in I worked like every job you can think of like from like now. I don't know plastic injection molding machines to like. I thought a class at Avalon. So like the breadth of like just random like we're jobs have fall into like now like educator and I'm working my artwork in and helping my partner run her business as she's actually like she is. She's A genius as well. So she helps me out with my seven. We're yeah. We're running like my business her business from the house from home and we got our son who's like going through cancer treatments just sort of like living it all up and. Trying to survive in it but also maintaining community which has been a huge help like with. Treatment, my son in all Stephan. Enjoy being like a community based artist and entrepreneur. Can Call what do that sort of so random things happen. Being an artist that I don't know if I can call anything I do. Anything. Except just like. A a visual mercenary I guess like just you know I do what I can. I can and a big part of that is learning like I think one thing I'd like people to know is that like? As something presents itself. If I don't feel like I could do it I just like learn. Had like a head to learn how to like make videos, do photography edit photos. Design Work and just all these things that sort of just picked up like knowledge is this thing that you can like that you have to go to college for I don't I'm not knocking like education I think people. But if you have the means do it if you don't like still do whatever you can. There's a huge like. I like like I. Didn't learn a lot from like my folks. They're great people. There's just me I was hard to teach but youtube man like you can learn anything on youtube like don't even like front like you need to learn to change a tire youtube, you need to learn how to edit a video then exported like in the best quality leather. Some dude. Somewhere. Who wants you to learn how to do all this stuff so And end there's also just people in your community like you know like you can learn a lot from. Asking People's getting a conversation with somebody. That's what I've learned. From, like being like just just some who's like manual like from doing like driving a forklift in in doing that and just thinking that was going to be my life to like being asked to speak at the Nelson. Art The history of art in doing complex sort of like. Creating concept like within my art that like seemed so. Out of touch from like my lascaux is just about genetics in how that informs our like genetic memory and all his stuff, and it's like I thought about this stuff when I was just like driving drugs like you're like. Is this something other people think about. It is like there's connections in all this stuff and. I wish people who are did do. Manual Labor, jobs. Jobs at like are. You know menial or whatever. I think just opening them up in like creating like I want to reach them with my work in things because I believe there's like a connection with everybody and everybody has the potential to be greater in have. Bigger ideas bigger thoughts. Yeah I don't know I was rambling. So how? Is. She'll be. Up Make. Why reason, why we kind of done we've done. That, you get to a point where you understand that. The universe aligns with you. When you decide to when you when you on your ass and you start finder. Universe. You know what I'm saying I mean. But allying it is everything in the more than you were more than which yourself into that space. The more that comes out of it. So I did get. Sick. If. We go to all the time on the table. Learn how to do everything I said I do. Editing shooting. Out To. Pro. A import export allows, all facebook questions, every scenario, is hollered. Type just type how to just go through it ain't like college education like. Yeah sure. Laura. wrote I come from Pasadena Texas to Houston Texas ground to south. Dakota Snow. Why South Dakota Law? On met my best friend release, your candidate majority attendant governor. Hatchet nationalism. I'm no man you have nothing but good people. So. I decided I was finished his leg. As you are seeing today's America is not just and I was like I didn't get in this to be an unjust system. So said I was disrupting system. So I'M NOT GONNA be part of this I'm out. My friend was like well come to Kansas City. So our credit being Kansas City Tennessee Kennedy and. My first job was representing janitors. Trick shot on the janitors in all the buildings in Kansas. Janitors are the reason Kansas City is clean period. Along understand. How much drama? Especially nine bilingual janitors. Like the level of. The s trying to edit myself level level of BS that. Spanish janitors have to. and sometimes caused by. People like us that are bilingual someone just call that out to But I said learning that you can't create an effect change without. Doing the Arrow at were hurt in that policy. So I'm all about getting people of Color. Coded because until our highest offices reflect this beautiful panel that we have here today like what are we really doing just sitting around letting the soon to be minority like I just want to call that out to the soon to be minority weakest don't let them. To take over. So Did that Word for nonprofit. Few opportunities because Hashtag representation matters and I was seeing it where it needed to be seen in the classroom. Moved on to corporate America because I was like you know what? Let me figure out how they make this money so I could take this many put his money where it needs to be. In that was cool. Now invalid because you know money makes the world go round until you figure it out like you gotta continue to Figuring out and so at the end of the day you know if you. Was My background a disruptor. About that life let's go on strike. Let's shut down streets. Let's Let. Let's make people listen And how I got into his work. It has this level of passion and this like I don't give A. Online what the outcome is because if we if there's not enough people like me who are willing to fight the system. Then like. Nothing's going to change I'm not. I'm not about that life for our future generations so. That's me I love it I. Love It. We actually our first official business was when we were Janitors Smith Thompson in maintenance. We. Beside his company for. A army complex and we had to go help their armaments and so they have where a plus. So we were janitors do. It's pretty rough. Today. Here. A low. Hello. Hello. I don't know what to start. Fifty five get old guy did. You know us a long story of a lot of experiences in in just going through stop but I'M GONNA say that Life does not only a thing. You know I leave my life fully. At all times at all levels end the funniest thing is that. I swore to my. Eighth to never get involved into community in politics. And and y you know is that after going through my life experience in reaching this guy in falling to hell? I found myself in community in I found myself the happiest ever. My family comes from politics and I. I was going to middle school in I was the mayor's grandson in. Polit a you know popular in in an old that. It's kind of tough to. Have said no to. Community, but I moved on and I. LEARNED TO BE A strategies. From very young age to find ways to get things done and they were very selfish. Honestly they wear I wanted a motorcycle in I figured out that by selling my furniture I could make money in buy me a bike until my mom found out. That taught me how to get from point a trump to point the end. All my life has been about that in. I was. Business Owner A. Director of these director of that. International Business out? A. When Push comes to shove. I wasn't happy. I wasn't happy something missing in that. A moment. I had to find some. Okay I. Always you gated myself. I am Rafi communicator graphic designer I am a marketing. LICENSED MARKETER I have business administration. Business Coach and. Certified as a provisional self. Salesperson in. So any getting I always got really beeping to and figuring out how to get the exempt until I couldn't figure out tonight lost everything I went bankrupt in and didn't know what to do and that was ten years ago. In, half lean I found myself. Being able to help or to give solutions or ways, and I found myself walking on central Central Avenue. Was the greatest thing that happened to me hamble me. In Doug me that. My Body Wash sent in in the millions but with the people. In, Mba big day happy. I've never done any game on my own. That comes from community but I have to learn to to. Stay handled unacceptable. Input and help in making things better. As a team, rather than just being the director in telling people what to do you in honestly being in a strategist is the best thing that has happened to me because that gives me the power to be very analytical and look how things operate. In today's passion of mine is still. Teach or people watt or the bandages are. In stain hamble being building equity saving cash purchase controlling or prices in or cost of living in actually investing. In blessed God. For. Latino community today being the biggest disruptor to the system. Because, we don't use banks, but we own or lives. We your building, we make business drive. Without being part of the system and I believe that the reason to borders are being shut down in where being called. Creamy criminals, rapist and all that. Is. Because they want to scare the people who are already skin about us or against Kim about differences. They want to continue scaring them about good people coming in and working hard and making this economy viable risking inner city in making things happen for everybody because we don't use their system and we don't slave financially on a own and so. That to me is the biggest thing that we can do as stay. Stay. Being the biggest disruptor, the system in not letting. The reality in ended DVD's country, put us down. We have a lot to offer and I believe we will continue. As long as we stay together, we will continue freenet and making things happen for a community of all colors. It in some spaces together and I love eggers handed this because I guess is region to not. Just be who you are right in. Any area that you represent yourself in I. I've seen in for his ned I've seen it. In, person in digitally as well through acute. Communication but I I just want to say we appreciate you. were. A MAIN You US. All to give. A Shit. You gotta live, Your Life with passion. Blue absolute has burned by single benign motorcycle. One. So I am a first generation on my dad's side so I saw scare a lot of people are from one o'clock Oh, my dad is from one Awad. My mom is a first generation on her side and actually come from a family. My Mom's side with about eight hundred people in Kansas City who are related to. it's actually candidates fainting because every time I need somebody like her cousin. Didn't even know. So the keeps growing and growing that way over that now but I kind of got into this because my dad lived projects in the west side and growing up you know he faced a lot of discrimination stereotypes you know being undocumented and not. Getting while you know just growing up in that hardship. So. As he grew older, his main thing was to whenever he had family to ensure that they were never put in the situation that he was put in. So. When he met my mom lobbying the first generation in already kind of being more Americanized, her family are the Aguirre's than are that you know just all these amazing politicians mayors. Really, done really, well So for him, he thought he had a kind of be up to that, and so the moved all the way out too late or this place you could ever put us on one hundred and something with nothing was out there and I went to school with dominantly white kids. Until eighth grade and I really didn't know who I was. You know I would see my cousins on weekends you know or parties and things like that but for me. With my dad religious very much the. American. Never show that you're Mexican because you will get a round upon and you will never get a job and you will never make something of yourself. So you have to fit in with everybody that you're around. So he was very strict about that and I never knew why he thinking is normal. You know this is how you everybody lives. I would see my cousin Argentine Rosedale women, the West side, and it was just like Oh you know. It's scary. It was scary for me because it was like you know unprotected. And I never knew my dad was undocumented. Big He carries his green card now and talks about it but he never talked about it when we were growing up ever he tried to go to school to be an architect he loved to draw I remember paintings in his closet of Mexican American You know who pictures and Is just it is phenomenal digging back on it now. But he never made it. He became a male man and he actually retired eight years in a walking mailman. Never was in the office always just walked the streets. My mom did the same thing you know she wanted to be a fashion designer never got to do it on took care of her family and just try to do the best that she could so that when we came a better life. So when they got divorced. We knew the Kearns Boulevard. Into my uncle. Grandmother's brothers home and that literally threw me into hedger shock because I, literally, I I never grew up around people that look me or our families like mine all the time and so you know I lived I lived across the street from these amazing big families Hernandez and you know the war. All these amazing beautiful families and I know. How you guys like? You know actually now you're to better than everybody else. You know you're not Mexican to you're not why Are, you think you're white and I never spoke Spanish My Dad would not allow it. You know my grandmother always. Okay. My my mom knows it but as kids we just we never were allowed to speak it. So you know just being thrown into that world at the age of twelve you're about to start freshman year of high school it was it was hard so from there. I started at the Kademi for a year two years. And never made it through went on to junior year and went to on Jason Harmon alter. Visa. Has CEO. Think of I think I tried my junior year and You know I had my son when I was sixteen and you know from there, there's just. Ran Away about five or six, seven times ten maybe I don't know I can't even count now. And you just didn't know who I was didn't didn't have. A support system I didn't have you know really any rules you know my grandparents raised us and you know you think about that now are you like man? I just love them so much putting up with us. You know they have a hard job to take care of three kids you know and That wasn't what they're supposed to do. Right was a love. Your grandkids in being just spoiled like trying to us. And it was hard. We did not make it easy. So fast forward less for you. Know I try to go to college in never made it through just not really won't. On went into business. Got Lucky in into hallmark. Very lucky I don't know how I did that now that I think about it, but I've been thirteen years now Met My husband he from Mexico City He too was undocumented when he came and that was the first time I an wait growth with low riders. My Dad's family did on the side like their backyard garages would-be low riders in grew up just thinking this is just how everybody lives right and it was just so awesome to Michael as house of ruined Argentina just like. This is what they do. They hang out and the they build these Harz and people come to them and they. Just amazing like family type things, and so when I met my husband and he was doing that and gave, I just have to tell you and shout out to give a ever need anything my guy. Sorry you're gonNA blow up now. But. He has been my sole survivor like with my husband because. My husband did has worked out of his garage illegally for many years and. We. Didn't know any better. You know he doesn't know any better and he's just living a lot of undocumented people and not. Make the can't make money I. Mean You have to do you have to do to Survi- and. Think about that. Now in the hear about it like Oh my God what happened that he's a criminal. Illegal and it's just like you know. Do you. Think of him that way I. Oh God. Know he back back ignored I go home. That's the way pretty much everybody is you know it's you just have to realize when you're living in a world you have to fill them figure out how to live. And so gave has really been helping us because you're right. You know banking heart taxes are hard knowing word let orange you need knowing how to finding accounts entrusting an accountant one, hundred, ten percent we know no one you know it's like it is our money will with it be cash you know this is what we got. We pay everything down front. It's just always bad way. So when these loans cap for the PGA and all that my husband was. Going to get any of them and you know in if we did, we probably need to have the right paperwork do even. than. The first stage. And Boeing ensued that you know Going into the whole Aragones, the Latino Arts Foundation goes into that story too because I wanted to be an artist Marie younger never had the opportunity to do so and didn't know anyone that was like that when I grew up even in my older age. So when my kids started adding art in the writing I was like I'm not gonNA to. Deducted or going to get a mentor, they are going to do to do and I'm going to make it happen. I, have four kids and at that time I can spend a hundred dollars. Spinner. And kids. So I was like there has to be something out here that maybe is low cost something around my which was in Casey payback high and there was nothing and when I asked teachers at the school, they were like she can do it when. She can do it college stop pushing her to do it now. Okay so we're just not gonNA never younger kids an opportunity like I don't understand mash. So I ended up going to homework and saying, Hey, I want to meet with the director he bare at within our. Versi inclusion and I'm going to ask, Hey, have you started on for profit? You know? Simple as that I don't know how to do it, but has to be done, and so basically he was like the Everson on offer profit don't ever do. Just, find a place that will take you and we will get the volunteers for you work at a place that has writers and artists, and I'm sure they want to help the community. So thank you to. El Centro in Irene video because she was my saving grace like she literally led US user space for over eight years hang. Choose the port, the many many kids that have been come through our program which the kind of scribblers company. At no cost we provided this applies and without Irene would not have had a space to do this and. Do that for so long not even knowing these was just like. I don't know you but I love your passion and I love what you're doing and it has to be done and I wanted to okay let's just do it. So she not only has done that but she's also supported the Latino Arts Festival that we've been now on our fourth year which were ending tonight. On that was virtual for September we've had over maybe forty artists attend that and again, no Austin them and sell their art take nothing from our artists. That is our main goal is to provide all we can for them never taken anything from them. So that is kind of what we started the flash word to queer eye that happened Rachel Mendez, who's the producer of pariahs from Texas and she was like. Hey I'm looking for somebody that's Latino Kansas City on googling know the Kansas City because I can't find anybody we're also segregated and I was like I found you on the best of all and I'm like, okay, this is weird. But whatever, and she was also looking for my husband because a low riders. Never, been a part of anything like this in my entire life how the tell you it has probably been the most crazy rose scary, and still at this point most vulnerable experience, I've ever had to deal with the my entire living life but. Without them I would not be probably sitting here right here. I wouldn't probably know now I probably wouldn't know Laura I probably wouldn't know she goes like I. I wouldn't probably know any of you because then giving me that access to have a space into push me forward to get a five a one and to do something what dreams were were were created or. I would not have won I'm have right now. So ever since I had that experience I've done nothing but try to knock everything that they've given me to my community because. What they gave me wasn't like a soul thing or knee. It was a gift I gave I'm supposed to be giving out to everybody else. So with that I started Latino. Now has the Latino Arts Festival with it as well. We are about to open the or Cultural Center Kansas City through the porterhouse case the Cohort and that Entrepreneur twenty when I am a podcast hosts with Midwest Ghana. Branding and the reason I did the podcast seriously just because I wanted to ensure that people like myself had a space to talk and to be heard because when I was. Before Queer eye before anyone knew me no one ever asked me to be on a show. No one ever asked me to talk. No one cared with the hell I was doing and it wasn't even about me. It's. Amazing inspiring artists who are doing phenomenal work that are not being noticed or seen or heard from it at is ridiculous to me be happy. And that's the the benefit of the platform, right? I mean. Don't have larger platforms to the to highlight others right bring more and do the things that you're doing a through the connections that you had in. In other you know obviously Wow. So these. When I heard that from Edgar classes channel Laura. Has Been My ca chair at looking arts. He's always told me a million times and you tell me this to Danny Tummy around you are access point not now you are the door he always is closed your now that door you make sure that you're leading an open for everybody else and providing that access. So of shipping my mind only no one's inviting. You know we're here to hear us to we are here and this is who I have and you're gonNA YOU'RE GONNA listen to everybody here. That's with me. So everybody on this panel is his door. Yes. Everybody on his panelists door, right? Did you. Realize it or not a game I think you've been caught from facebook. Again again so We need you to go ahead and read. That, county. We conveyed you're you're you're in your. KNOWLEDGE IS ADD To that look I am I getting too much trouble. Only way found it was. The Only way founded. Your. Pin. So I question this one name who are what influence your work in what you're, what legacy would you like to leave? And we could start with anger. I was hoping you. saw. I have to say that. I look after my grandfather will old times was A. Center for forces us to come together. In he taught me how to be a leader redoubt. Being a leader. In I know might not be making sense but You can be straight shooter. Without believing that you are. It. He, he truly taught me how to be a balance force in in be friends with everybody to get the best out of everybody. And make it work for the right reason. So my grandfather his. He's my hero. Round. Love that. Were you. So. Yeah. Say the same boat you know my grandfather and my dad. To See what they did. My Dad had extreme education when he came here in worth loud men will jobs at work beside growing up. And so you know given up everything for his kids to be able to have success in their lives. So He's The might. Doing Saul. Susannah who's WHO's your force? Say that. My sister earlier. Really Awesome and she has. Are Watching. You know right now I send her a message and after she introduced herself and everything I told her I said you are so awesome. You really are because I did I I saw that she had divorced in which he got a divorce and She just came out like shooting star and she has done so many awesome things in Saint. Louis. and. I see the post and everything and I tell her all the time I'm like. Oh my gosh. She's really firing me and just motivating me. Not, going just even before I got on this call. Knows me too. I am not accept he I I worked for General Motors I've been there twenty years I can so relate Chico when he was talking about you know he thought he would be a truck driver for his whole life. I. Thought I was going to be a car assembler and The opportunities have just been opening up I have no idea how or why are you know? Where they're coming from, but I do appreciate definitely say that. Mike Sister inspires me so Zobeir much to keep going because sometimes I have a master's degree I don't have all of that fans knew stuff like her but. I'm just really excited and I get something that But. Not necessarily see, but I just want to try and be the best person that I can't be every single day and do my best and if I can help someone I'm I'm your girl, you know definitely and just keep moving forward. who? I was getting a little emotional and I appreciate Susannah saying that I think for me my influence comes comes from my children I want them to see positive role models bad ass. Women doing bad ass things and let them know that they could be in do anything they want regardless of. The. Circumstances that Navy society puts on US or places the boxes that they place in. So I in the community influences me because like I said earlier, there's still so much work do and having grown up a poor immigrant with lack of language access I know what that feels like an I know that I have been I have led a very privileged life that has allowed me to overcome those challenges. But the fact that those still exists for our community is what inspires me to you know to be on at seven eight o'clock at night still doing translations because somebody needs video edited for the census at the last minute or whatever. Are, actually went to and I told the end of this hour move but I went to a Spanish magnet elementary school. Back. When when when these magnet schools repopulated Kansas City. So catering five aw has. Spanish. English. Interest, because I literally still moines people as finally Oh, and that's all. All I. had. No idea how? But I did and yes. I was bilingual point time but that was. I went to. Chico Institute. I wide ranging influences either see like A. Really into like. Einstein has like an influence just because of his like. His his ideas sort of. became became more than hit. You know what I mean like I. Think There's just I'm not a spiritual person like at all like I have an aversion to spirituality I was like I, was like. And that's a knock anybody's I have my own like system of beliefs that is based on like the natural sort of select writers like Carl Sagan. A sort of influenced me to be a better person to like sort of I draw my like. sort of. Life Philosophy from from those sources, but also on the other end, like what drives me like as the Latino like and just a person of like who wants to like. Change the world's people like millions of Baba who my son is named after. And and people like that sort of like who lived a certain way and then saw that the change needed the occurs. So they changed the way they live their lives you know like. And and just a yeah I don't know like this. I just read a lot. So like every every new like person that like it inspires, me just becomes the new personnel just like Oh man. Like life. Changes. And all that said like. Like none of those people matter. As soon as my kid was born like the I have to like be a good person also provide for him like just all those boxes in like the best I can be just as I love him so much select look up to. I will. Begin. Easy. But. Yeah it's like. I mean, and then like you know, I've read it a meet people like. and. CAN BE I mean everybody in this group is like influence like me through other people like that's the funny thing about Kansas City especially, the commute is just like there's like dynasties of families that like people tell me about them like. This person from that from that and then When you get to interact with them like there's a lot of really amazing people changed it. Let's. Go Are Laura who influences you. Me Hand. Now. I'm. I'm a little political already started. So like not Latin next people that think they're right. So therefore vote for people that are not in our best interest some at out just to be clear I'm not. You don't influence me what makes but. The. People the people who like our fresh generation who are ten generations in the people who have been seen are working constantly every single day to be seeing the people who live just WanNa be seen the people are what influences my work and also like shoutout Afro Latinos. This group but like I see you, you influence me every single day like in the Latino community, we have anti blackness things we need to get over. You influence me anything that I do every day so. You. So minus Jeff, link and foremost my kids because. I mean, just in them do their work in are like I'm just blown away and. What my child has a Chico's a pillow that he made like she. They literally like have it in the room like up in a corner leg. So it's like a seeing them connect with the other artists in Kansas City and especially the artists that maybe don't get the following they should. But they see that amazing talent and their artists are just like family like they're just like we WANNA help you. We love what you do. They're always encouraging Jose houses definitely one of them that a lot with my kids and you know I didn't even know hunger for very long. So just give a shout out to all the amazing artists out there that whether or not you're being seen whether or not you're being followed I see you my kids see you We tried to lift you up anytime. We can because you all are doing phenomenal work and then you know definitely husband because. He kicked play to get this shop open twenty years ago and vn undocumented not in the Hispanic community want to help him. Literally, we tried to be like, Hey, we're starting a business don't know what to do Donald how to this nobody wanted him because of the stereotypes of directors like not as any gang related drug related. So you got pushed aside he built that business alone with his dad with his brother with his mom you know who worked at the Marriott for years undocumented took. Laborer you know it's just it's crazy. So I'm just a shout out to all those people working so hard trying to get up their businesses in now you've got an amazing follwing without marking though I lived to be that we're I don't need marketing and it just would have not uber like, Hey, come see her. because. She's doing this and my kids actually got me back into my art. So I use the Midwest, she kinda brand and make homemade. and. Without them I would not have. That art killed and it's literally therapy for me, and it's also just getting back and see what I love to do. So forty, four, almost forty five, you can still do what you love to do. I love it I love that. On. We try to get game to come back your facebook. Robert. stockers out there. We're. Off. This has been. Spending time with all of you. We got. Time for one more question I wanna Kinda see this is. Double edged sword right because we don't have fish is the thing we don't WanNa communicate to people that you will only pay attention to the Hispanic community one month here we don't want to do that so. What you need to know, what do we need to know about you? What do we need to know about us? And I think sources say, fuck, invoke. But. that. Show. We. Are. So. What's not said you're the to be said in this one I wanted scourge you. Like it's hard to say Just I think the the what needs to change. I think this is with all. Segments of society artists, arts, organizations like podcasts, whatever is just to make it less like to think about inclusion as a value that is a daily. Process like think about what how you're presenting? Yourself. How you present like other people that you have on the show in a live 'cause you're Ryan for longtime time you know. I'm waiting I wait all year. I. Get around September I'm like, okay like I'm a star get hit up by museums, galleries and all these places. Like Day of the dead stuff. And it is like you're just like I, gotTa get a get it what. You WanNa take advantage of that opportunity you know but like. Is that just you know you know the I wonder if you know like fall is a big time for like a Latino artists because of day of the dead. And Hispanic heritage month and I'm just like I. Don I try and stretch stuff out like I mean it's just like. Yes, like just think about. Inclusion as as value every single day and and diversity in thinking about. Like. Your city what the makeup is and how you're sort of including people what you do like it's hard for me 'cause I'm just like an artist in like me providing representation is is about like how what? I put into my work zone how it how I interact with people and I make mistakes like that's the thing is always be open to criticism you know and I think it would let the community is hard because. Be Very racist without knowing it end like sort of I mean. Let know sort of rela term for like Black Latinos there's there's White Latinos like. I you go down to Peru. Asian. So it's like a wide variety of things that we can't just hold onto that term. I can't be raised as Latino or I can't you know like I think it needs to start with us like a personal thing in that sort of transitions into like daily life and how organized and and and yeah just. I, Dunno support like I. Think there needs to be in the intermingling of movements that isn't like. That isn't about what about us what about them? You know like the lag lives matter movement like that. That is a members of my family are black or not like we just it's end. So it becomes about that because I'm personally. Affected because of somebody who is like? Like very personally affected by that situation I think we need to take that on like we need to. Like like as Latinos men sort of like navigate. I learned to say. You are actually no. Life. Your. Your a your conversation that you're really horrible and it's cool to be hobble but I also want to say that. You. saw. Thanks. I mean I have I have confidence in my life creative work. You know it's it's West Start Getting like Alec Keep Myself Open for conversations about how I treat other people and like because I do like I said I make mistakes and I do things alike. But I think that comes that that that's sort of like understanding comes from like growing up like my sister my youngest sister she's black right? Like we're best friends none the like you could with there's always been a difference about how like the way people treated her even though she's like the responsible one she's the. Mike Shoplifting Shit but like. I believe Dump Stephan. The my privilege whatever knowing that I'll never understand what she goes as a black hole in life like. I I'm not saying like I wish the world was different which there wasn't a difference. But because of that, I have this sort of like I know that I don't get it. You know and I want to understand. So I wanNA bring myself into situations humbly like and like I said, I'd do mess up like I believe when I paint something when I. Look at murals I've done and be like that's Dope Like. I'll I'll take a day. Like yeah. But this is great. This is I love this opportunity to be like open about. You know relations people in like how to change those things. Be Ever asked my advice is just be open criticism. From other people like yeah. Thanks. said. Like four times in data physically reacted to. S You it's. Like a big thing like I see like. My I'M GONNA stop after this because I'll go off mine. Art and and. How is affected how it affects human The human experience and trajectory like we started with art like that was the first like science. You know dislike named by draws and Bulls on the wall like it'll change something and I'll be able to catch him faster whatever you know like we wanted to express ourselves like we became creative like there's there's the there's the that's the kickoff to like every sort of Like yeah. Like human trajectory towards civilization whatever. It makes us different makes us special ethic and so yes, ain't I'm just an artist I'll stop. Pointed at. Okay Deanna is that you have to go. It's your next. What else? What else tweet Nothing. Of the what she goes, let's one hundred ten percents truth right there especially when it comes to artists. Trying. To teach my own kids that they are not just an artist, they are very important needed invaluable as well. Definitely when you are reaching out to the community whether it's Hispanic heritage month earning other three, hundred, sixty, five days a year. Don't pick the people. There are so many people out here doing great work Dan in Toronto and I had a conversation just as we can because I'm so tired I'm tired of the fact that you cannot be your own homework and find the other people that are living in Kansas City that are doing phenomenal work out. Well, if I can walk out my door and literally go on Central Avenue in St Beyond Twenty or thirty people doing work that are like, you know, why are you not doing that? If you really really want to be inclusive and diverse like you say you do. Do it walk the streets mind out the are talk to them find out their stories owner rely on other people that you feel comfortable with because I'm sorry we live in an uncomfortable world s Latinos have to live on comfortably every single damn day, and if you get comfortable with it, you deserve us you don't deserve s on your platforms. You don't deserve us on zoom. You deserve us on your words quit asking us Hey, I need more diverse in. Color on my board. Them quit asking us like that's your job. This is your not for profit. Do the work. Don't bring it up on zoom when you have maybe one other person sitting there because right then and there you already know didn't even invite an. Be On this, even give you a of people to even talk to you. So I'm just very tired of answering a little motion here because it's happening every single day every minute you're whitestone shirt group. Don't just be white center insane gear inclusive because you're not like if you're not uplifting all of us will have color women, the lease should be yes give hi FIS. Yes. All share this share that no unless you're out there wouldn't doing the work you're helping or not for profit you are helping their business you're helping the organization that is what a group is in if you're going. To be the leader of a group, get out there and do the work get out there and be a part of that now for probably go out there on truth and work it out volunteers to work it. Don't just sit on your ass and think, Oh, I have this amazing group on facebook and I have so many people on here in some of them are people of Color. Where are you like when the festivals come out? Where are you going to need help like opposite DR cleaning up yards were argue like you don't really want us you just want us there just as you need to have eight and so I'm just going to be authentic your and I'm sorry that every how it is right now. I'll see you guys later. At the end. Next. Literally. Like Holomisa out here was like. But you you happiness who you have? You have to year at. And of Society that it did make. So. What are we talking about one we? I mean indefinitely recognized that we are a powerhouse although which we would celebrate our culture in our community every single day of the year this month were recognizing what's money Saudi note here from personal experience that, and that's that the values of our community are the same values that shape our regions greatness hard work sacrifice Indiana was talking about it. I think louder about the commitment and the perseverance that it takes to run A. Business a gave mentioned that as well. I want to remind you that in Missouri in twenty, twenty three, the spending power of the Hispanic community is supposed to be seven billion dollars up from one billion this year ninety, four point, nine percent of all Hispanic worker eligible workers are employed and I mentioned earlier that they're over one hundred, twenty, five, thousand eligible voters in Missouri, and then also Missouri nine for bachelor's degrees or higher. So to Aquino community out there we are powerhouse when he to own it, we need to do more with it and to people that are either looking for us to speak to be on boards. That are trying to do outreach because they're trying to sell us their services I mean the level, the fifty percent of our community has home ownership. So we are definitely, a powerhouse will please know that know that we can make a difference, but you also have to invest in the outreach that you do invest in the translations in the interpretation and in the services that you provide because it's not enough to say Sabah Espanol because first of all, that's not technically correct. Secondly I can't walk in the door with a sign and then get in there and you don't speak Spanish or you don't have resources for me. That doesn't mean I don't WanNa bogging down thinking you now have to have a budget for all of this. There are so many organizations like gablers. gave at. That are already doing some of this work. Well, how can we work together to uplift each other because at the end of the day like I said, we are a power holes powerhouse expanding population is continuing to grow more slowly Casey than Saint Louis. Invest in it. That's our future right there. It's it's a job for all of us and my last plug will be by the census. Somebody mentioned the other day that it wasn't their business if her neighbor voted Hail yes it's my business. If my neighbor voted because when it's time for my quick to go to school, they're not going to say, well, you didn't fill out the census we don't have your thirteen hundred dollars they're not gonNA care. They're just going to say we have limited resources so Doing the work to make sure that all of our communities recounted not just Hispanic community even though that's what focuses, but all of our communities need to be counted so that the cities and Counties in the states that we live in have the resources that we need to truly function. There's a whole population that's undercounted. That's going to affect the lives of everybody that lives there. Sorry I'm on a soapbox. Kids. Important. So OCSTA- in on it not enough either talking about sentences. Just we are doing it here. Except you you're doing great. Talking about that, we need to be facebook themselves. have. Rights. No, let me think here so. It's the mindset I think Latino community that we always under the radar. We don't try to make noise or anything because we don't want to to causing trouble ever i. mean that was the what our parents taught us at least for me grownup. this mindset that we we never want to cause trouble in. It's time for us to to start speaking up. not just for our own communities and causes, but also for our black brothers and sisters as well. And we need to start working on developing relationships with the black and Brown communities. So we can help support each other And so Yeah. Getting out of our comfort zone starting to build these bridges between our community. So. Keep it there. All right. So what are we talking about or do we not talking about? Well you're right about added. Don't just vote like. Running election get into the political process like you're a person of caller. Walking run for something something I don't Care School Board like Neighborhood Association get started in that process because I don't want you know thirty year old child to be large or we still don't have representations. I don't have a thirty year old child but. Nobody wants that Lake Come on run if you don't run. Like what are we doing? and. Support people caller who ride I don't care if they WANNA. Make you mad 'cause they cut you in the Costco. Line guardship goal support them both for them. Donate to their campaigning like today is election deadline for campaign elections go find a cooler drop five dollars it like it matters. It really goes movie big. And Mike Latino people have heard heard some of the panelists already say this black lives matter it's not a movement. It's a statement y'all people are dying because they're black that includes a lot of abloh. EPI knows any shouldn't even matter like this shit is real and we're doing something about it. We're just stuck. Just like. Go to community. Hit the streets. Go support. Black. Fitness goes import businesses. The businesses go ask lack in Latino owners. How did you get here? What are you struggling with making those connections because? We don't have each other's back as people of Color. We're letting the newest minority, the newest minority y'all like this should blow your mind. We're letting them beat us with less numbers art of war. Where does that happen it? Should it so like do something about it. Yes thank you not. When everybody else I. Really. Got Me Deanna said. There's so many people out there in Kansas City doing some awesome awesome work and I I usually always see the same people. And I and I always ask myself wouldn't want everybody else. That's doing for the thing that is definitely one big being another thing is. To get out there. To. Notice. Businesses notches the big beneath with a big restaurants or businesses that have been out. You're using years and years and years that really they already have already established. What about the smoke businesses? What about central? Avenue. What about independence nephew would about all of those businesses out there So you guys. WHO Coming out to lucky October third October. which is our last events So you know come out in support come out and get to know you know our vendors getting what it is doing out there, and you know let your platform also know and that would that would really be awesome. Not just let less eat that. But are they the data events for? Other programs that are offers also is would be awesome. So I'd it. Nice Awry, well. Thank you for living near the end because I had a chance to think about what it was going to say. In the. I believe. What we need to talk or continue to talk about him push the message that we need to. Bush. It's it's very simple. We need to recognize or strength. As That We need to recognize where that strength comes from a never forget it because. If we forget it, we'll be humiliated will be taken advantage health and continue being pushed down by what Laura says minorities. And we cannot let that happen because we're too strong and we're to. Will Build. K. We're the biggest group of mixed race. And by DOT the biggest disruptor of The whole system. Now, let's recognize how are we a disruptor of the system. There are several ways were disrupting by numbers. Okay. We have a strong culture. We have strong strong values, family values. We don't recognize the need to take people out when they're become eighteen years old just to make on more number for financial system. To get credit cards to. Get loans getting dead and. DIED TRYING We help. Them. To. Leave. Three generations the house why? Because we're helping each other's economy and we're helping each other's education and we're helping each other's future and building strong ties and abandoning or communities. It's okay to have. Ownership even if it is a brick smokehouse. Random House. It's okay to own it in fix it up or selves because then we're not falling four-day larger building larger community urban. Core. Stained. Suburban. But owning our future. And Daddy Sundays director to the community to the system it's okay to recognize that. Latino Women Inaugur. Are Marrying. Lack. Americans the most. In also Latino man in numbers are marrying more wide women the most. And the fact is we're bringing them to or table. and bringing everybody tour table and I call these the grandma stable because everybody has a place at grandma's stable it doesn't matter who you are where you went as long as your family. You have a place in Grand Rama. Stable. And everybody coming to that table. Equalize. or or live or structure, and then we quote unquote me or enemies or friends or family. That is a strong power. Recognize that the use of savings there is many organizations that teaches about how to keep control of your finances keep or credit scores keep all of Dan under rap. None of them are teaching us or telling us that savings is the best thing we can do in cold onto or money or cash is the best thing we can do until we have enough to buy in one single payment, the truck, the house, the equipment, whatever we need. That makes us big disruptors off the system and we really need to continue fishing or new generations dot power. And by that? We truly be great assets to the community and changers of a future for better. Bringing, everybody together being the center of community because we accept everybody and were accepted by everybody the most. Now we came into a world that we didn't make. We didn't create racism. We didn't create segregation. We didn't create this placement. We came into that. Knowing that, we don't deserve anything, but we can make everything happen. On our own by or own strength and passion. So recognizing or own strength and power is the best way. The best thing we can do and that conversation needs to be everybody stable. In, those bodies have to really be said on stone for the Latino community because that those values make us the strongest. Community. Part of the community and the biggest disruptor to the system of financial. Labor. Rishi this is lessons large a all round right on. This lessons learned I mean we all you know. This is every. Right. Sometimes these that we know. We don't me true. We try to listen to some of those things if it makes too much right by relied like your mom used to tell you certain things that. I hear it I hear you. But I'M GONNA do this year but I? Right. In incense we. Let me give you one one last thing. Real. Quick. So so Raila was talking about the future of the buying power of the Lucchino market in in a couple of years being of seven million. Okay. Today the. Buying power is being exercised by the locations by wide comedic why community is larger than that way large today however, forty percent of that. In. The middle class. Forty percent of their bind power is. Gone To. Credit is going to interest it's going to loan payments. Not being to the principal. I want. Years, he eighty percent going to principal. Twenty percent going to interest and those loans need to be only to buy equipment to buy tools to buy property. That will generally keep its value une generate. More. Money for our economy. That is buying power that is. Lou. I'm saying well. We killed the. So it's not it's been killed. We appreciate you and you gotta wonderful you you. Are Part of what? The community needs. More community needs and we reshape off of going to work. You all are nominal Chico you are. You. Guys Go. Edgar. Laura. We. Appreciate you, guys. Zimbalist. On me just the over. Again. Dog. Like like I said we we do these shoals. Morgan always citizens will we get off the off? Scholes? House he. It's not. This this right. Now. says. We. GET SUCKS Guests in the conversation out of folks that some so. You buy each other on a sometimes you bring me together that don't know each other and we still are able to hassled really great conversations may really more into the community. So, we just like I said flaw and you openness. Candor. Elise let us know. It all I how well. Do. We were all always. Better. But. Yes I think those close the show out the. Ear Itching. Thank you. Everybody in attitude. On a soul, our guest as far as a WHO's leaving comments. Thanking Also. We'll get you might. Ira Buddy. Have a good night. Some. Some. Some. Some go mad at you know. I'm not some just gave me the go. Out some new there you've been. Some it's always you and your friends Brown I. 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