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Episode 289 | Mike Has *Some* Bad Picks (+ Interview with Dave Baker & Nicole Goux for Everyone Is Tulip)

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Episode 289 | Mike Has *Some* Bad Picks (+ Interview with Dave Baker & Nicole Goux for Everyone Is Tulip)

"Our being visits the. I read comic books. Podcast i am your host. Mike rapin joining me this week. Thing one and thing too. But they've grown. Up into a pair of responsible. Adults rene rodriguez you know it and kate lanphier. I don't know if i'm going to responsible at all. I mean you're you're more responsible than thing one and thing too. I'm glad that you guys are both here with me this week to talk about comic books. I'm super excited to do that. But before we get into it. I've got two things that the route here as a reminder as we do every single year to everyone let's listen to this show long-term next month for the month of july. We are on break so for an entire month throughout july. You can expect a bunch of minnesota from various folks on the show as well as an interview that i'm going to be doing The other thing that i want to mention that is that at the end of this month on july. Excuse me on. June twenty six at eight. Pm eastern standard time will be doing a hang out as we usually do per month will probably do it in july as well. So keep a lookout for that. But nonetheless june twenty-sixth at eight. Pm eastern standard will be hanging out with folks that just talk about comic books and just you chill. Maybe do some fun. Maybe maybe play some games. Who knows but before i start blathering too much about the potential opportunity of so much fun. We can have together on the internet. Let's get into this thing. Let me ask the legally mandated questions that i have every single week. How have you been held. Comic books ben. Let's start with you kate. I've been good my time garden back. My condo is loving this insane a very hot or raining. Whether i am not loving it with you are not a plant right. I read the green river killer. Finally i actually checked out this this book of months ago from the library and then it was just sitting in my library books pile and i eventually just turned it in because i had run through all of the automatic renewals and i just hadn't read it hadn't read it hadn't read it So finally i saw hoopla. Like i don't know four days ago and i was like it's time to read this and then i read it immediately. Nice i feel like going from. Hey i've got a nice garden too. I read the green river killer such a one eighty that i wasn't expecting from you today. So what did you think of this. This is by jeff jensen and jonathan case and i. I ended up enjoying the story. There's two different timelines in it that kind of flow in and out of one another. It's the the time line of Jeff jensen's father being on the case trying to find the green river killer and Like during that time in the eighties and nineties and then it's also the story of like fast forward to catching the green river killer. But it's not like it's not like time line one in the eighties. And then timeline to in two thousand and one at the they're like interconnected anyway so the the reason that jeff jensen's father was on the case because he had volunteered to be the like the computer guy that enters all of this data into the newfangled computer That the department got in the eighties. So he is. He was the guy that was familiar with all of these details and ended up being the only detective on this case for like at least ten years probably so I just man that was rough for me to think about. Because i have a job where i get the feeling of accomplishment that i finish a project like a couple times a week. I can't imagine being on the same case for over a decade right. Just like there's there's no movement in the case for a long time. The green river killer ended up being caught by dna technology. Pretty much from the the dad retired Like the day that the that the murder was caught he was like i'm done now and he came in as a consultant. Anyway it was. It was a very fun story to read I feel like like maybe. I should have said spoilers but at the same time this is history and also this book has been out for a while and yeah and i think there's a lot more nuance to the book than you're getting into ray on. I remember when i read this. I think nick recommended. I read it. Because he's obsessed with true crime. And i remember just being floored by some of the interesting things that happened in the real world that the story tells And i think like you're glossing over a lot of the details intentionally. I think to not give a true full spoiler everything but man there. There's a lot of really interesting in super dark stuff in this book rights and it was really focused on the creators father and his his father's Experience with with this case with the murderer Interrogating him specifically more toward the end. And i i get it like i understand that. That's the store that he wants to tell as the detectives side of the story. Because that's what this crater was familiar with but at the same time This guy had at least forty eight victims and you hear maybe half a dozen of their names. And i just feel like i i get that. That's not the story that he was telling he wasn't going to like tell the tell all of these people's life stories and everything but it would have been really nice to have some kind of like memorial page at the end with their names or something. Yeah but it was a pretty quick read for being over two hundred pages. I think that when it was sitting in my my library books pile for months and months. i was just intimidated by the physical size of it but it was very fast. Yeah and i really addicting. Read too. If i remember correctly yeah and i just wanted to say nancy and our goods group has a really nice review about it. So if you're if you're on gutter aids goes that out. You can find her through our our goods group page. If you're not on good reads check it out anyway. Agreed one hundred percent agreed. Rene what about you have you been. How have comic books ben for you. Didn't i've been good a little busy with work but he don't. That's good in these trying times. And i've convicts are always good although Been kind of in a. I guess fantasy sort of dark fantasy type area for comment Reading any kind of funny stories lately other than my weeklies but This have guessed this past week. I read the first five volumes of historical of among Google black with story and art by etorofu and it's a fantasy revenge story. Basically this knight who was a member of this group of knights sent by the emperor to go destroy a like alter or something. It's kind of vague at the beginning or at least where i'm at. They destroyed the altar of the enemy nation or something like that and three of them died and then seven of them kind of ended up like just being like Now we're not doing it. We quit amored left to go back home. Only four of them went finish the mission than on their way back home. They were ambushed by the seven killed and seven went back became known as heroes throughout the their country. And the four. That actually finish the mission are you know. Kind of known as like the disgraced lances because they were all given lances by the emperor but turns out one of them survived and has been spending the last twenty years plotting his revenge than oo bell blat starts with him. You know going to go make you know make vision board in reality holy shit. The the. it's it's pretty crazy. It's pretty crazy. There's a lot of fantasy elements as a lot going on but there's also like technology. It's very graphic but like it's been. I've i've seen half a dozen times in libraries and barnes and noble. Like you know it's come across like just like hey you like crap like this check it out and on his father's like i am to check it out and then you know then. I ended up reading like four volumes day. There's twenty four volumes. I think in the entire series. Although i think it'd be english they release like one volume as like like a two in one type thing so i've been reading that and then In sattar news So back in may the artists the among gaca qatar muira passed away and For those that don't know qatar. Muira drew the story beserk which has a manga. That's been running since nineteen eighty nine. It's a it's commonly on his power fantasy book. But it's it's incredible. It's an incredibly dark series but in reaction to Passing i decided i needed to own virk. Finally just because of the fantastical piece of art that it is and personally. I don't think there will ever be another story. Like brazil. Work or another artist. Like kentaro mira and i just decided i needed to have it and so i bought the gar course has been releasing the deluxe editions which are just these large volumes of or collections of reserve. In the thirty years of it's been running. And i think they have like seven or nine volumes out and i i just having a hard time even talking. Just 'cause berserk is such a big goliath story. But it's incredibly emotional like the vast of berserk swirled in the depth of each character's inconceivable. Just kind of knowing that will never see the end of it or have any of our questions answered just really really kind of saddens me but even even in it's one of those books that's been going on since the late eighties. Eighty nine was published eight. So like and it's this has been influenced generations of mangala. You know a whenever you see you now. The anime boy in black clothing and gigantic sword. Like that's burke let's cut the guts right you know and there's there's you read through preserve and you see it and you're like oh that's where that reference comes from. It's it's very similar to like when you're reading. Joe joe's you're like that's where these people got that inspiration but even with beserk being incomplete. You know it's still. It's still a masterpiece. It's still worth read. But i will say that is filled with horrible horrible things. It's incredibly graphic. It has has just filled with graphic horrific depictions of war. Emotional physical sexual abuse is not something to go into lightly. Only bad things happen cirque and it is so emotional. It's gut wrenching it. So crushingly depressing. It is horrifying heartbreaking to say the least but if you can get past that you have the strength through that right right you know. It's still an incredible story. And i you know worth looking to. I think that you know it's influenced countless stories like we said and i think it's going to continue to do so so. Yeah that's what i read this week. Gotcha yeah i mean. It's it's really sad. The story behind the passing of qatar. Maria humira mostly. He people are maresca. Excuse me It's it's unfortunate if only because he passed away from what they're considering to be like stress related into like bodily damage. Right he had beserk. Had hiatus is that were very very legendary. Keep his last. Hiatus i think was for more than a year and he would just be off and on off and on just because he was he put his heart and soul into those pages and you can tell that he put everything into it. But it's you know creators given their all for these stories. Yeah yeah Well i guess. I don't know i know how to move onto that naturally so i'm just going to jump right into things you i've been. I've been kind of all over the place. I've been slowly slowly but surely recovering from like this sprained ankle that i had so ultimate i've been trying to get out more and do more things and Let's see i other than doing that. I bought a bunch of manga. That i didn't necessarily need to own. But i wanted to like a now own copies of way of the househusband in physical form and Fight all volumes of chainsaw. Man I went out to dewey's comics out in dover new jersey which is attached to the joke uber school of art on picked up department of truth volume. One lake just been buying comic speakers. I think that. I have room. Even though i definitely don't like i can see boxes of comics still unpacked behind me so many to stop buying them but nonetheless Can't stop won't stop. I've been reading a bunch of books. i've been slowly but surely catching up on demon slayer with our manga reading group discord. And yeah. I recorded a mini subs with nick yesterday About ice cream an corentin comics. I read that recently. Because i've been kind of sitting on it waiting for us to record the look forward to that in july But the two books that. I want to talk about our dead dogs bite number four. This is by tyler boss It's basically the last issue of the run. It's very abrupt. It's a it's a really quick. Wrap up of the story which kind of begs me to ask you know. What is there more to the story. Than what i read in the first three issues because the fourth issue seemed to wrap things up very quickly and i don't want to say that it was predictable but it didn't seem like mind warping -ly interesting some wondering if i need to actually go back and read that entire book from start to finish tyler. Boss has an incredible. I for design and layout and i think that some of his comics are some of the most beautiful precise books you can read on the shelves. I mean you think of some of the pages that really astound you in in david. Aha's hawkeye or any of the other books. David a has worked on where you're just like. Wow look at that. Fucking page tyler. Boss has that same sort of style. He has all he. He's looking at things in a lens. That i don't think a lot of creators are were. They're they're they're looking for page composition and style and symmetry and a million things at once. And that's it not to diminish other artists. But i think that bosses like elevated his craft to a different level. And it's it's clear that he's done some of that work in dead dogs bite like you saw a lot in for kids. Walk into a bank and i think that that comes along with the great collaborator. But the end of this issue was a little bit. I don't wanna say unsatisfying. Because it can it finish the story But i feel like. I need to go back and reread the whole book to get a clearer picture of what bosses going for in this book and then one of the things that i will say about this book is the title credits font that he uses like the credits ponders the font in general for the series is some of the best use of a font to describe the feeling of a book that i've ever seen there is just this overwhelmingly powerful dark feeling that you get from looking at the font this book and i don't think i can think of another book. That does that as well as this one does. So yeah i mean dead. Dog bites really interesting book. I think i need to go back and read. Reread this once. It's all since it's all out now but there's that and then the other book that i want to talk about really quick is The nice house on the lake number one. This came out a few weeks ago. And everybody and their sibling. We're talking about this on twitter and how great it was. And i remember some folks on the on our discord. We're talking about it as well. So i picked it up. This is james tinian. the fourth Alvin martinez winnow on pencils and inks george blair on colors and and world design lettering and this is probably one of the most intense number ones. I've read in the last few years last decade. Like i haven't felt this on edge on my seat. Almost going to have a panic attack sense like since ever. I don't know if i read it ever read a book that made me feel like i need to go walk and do some breathing exercises after reading it because this book freak meet the fuck out and it's not in like a ono there's a monster owners a demon there's just there's something so creepy about the just build buildup of this book towards the end and i definitely one hundred thousand percent. Do not wanna spoil this for anyone because the turn in this book for me. I didn't see coming at all. And i was really really impressed by. I know that. I talked to other people who look you will. It's pretty obvious it coming. That doesn't mean that my my surprise is any less surprising you know so i really liked. The tinian was able to really twist arms with this and make us. You know basically distract with one thing and then have another thing happened. The sense of realness to this book was In the best way possible. I felt like all of the characters that were in this book. Were real people. I felt like the story that he was building was really honestly real and true and like i could know someone like this and it probably doesn't help. That book takes place in the new york area. And it feels like yeah. I've gone to bars. People in had weird discussions and all this kind of stuff but yeah. I my only worry with this book. So far is that. I feel like we're going to get the story is gonna flatten itself off or flat in itself out. After the first issue the mystery of the book is going to get solved too early. But because it's a twelve issue series. I think that tinian is going to. He's probably going to great job at this book. I don't know why doubt in it. But like my worry is that it's gonna get flattened out too soon in the last couple of issues just going to be drawn out until like a big question. Mark of like what is kinda disappointing. But with whatever with what he's done so far with the department of truth and james finian's a fantastic rated dude knows how to tell a really good story so in a twelve issue series. I think he's going to actually things out. We're going to get some good pacing. It's really interesting discussion. Especially as we explore all the characters in the story. So yeah the the thing that really got me in this book with some of the art the action moments in this issue and i'm being super vague Floored me like there are some inter spliced. Bits with social media. That i thought was really really clever and like really well laid out in a way that made me feel like i was looking at a real internet feet of things. If i pulled up a page that had tweet deck on it or something. I can see all this stuff and i feel like again this book just as poking into my brain hurts how well to has gotten to me or has just created a fantastic story. So the the last thing. I'll say about this lettering is incredible I don't know what what level of like work annual design. The person from that company and james tinian did try to make some of these pages work with the narration. The captions and some of the schedules in This symbolically that he uses for some things but man it like. I've really really understood things in a way. That was like kept me informed. Suck me right into the book and kept me really interested because this book feel so unique the more you read through it and i. I really impressed by it. So here's hoping that number two was doesn't fall flat on its face but yeah this book's really good in. It'll scare the living shit. I'll say that let's move on. Let's talk about comic books. That are coming out on june. Sixteen twenty one. What are you both excited for this week. I'm gonna kick it over to kate. I'm excited for maker. Comics survived the outdoors by mike lawrence. this has seven survival projects. And so i've been a fan of the maker comex for maybe i'll really since it started. I think i picked up. Maybe like the third book they ever released in the series and I've been following them since then. I haven't read everything that they've done in this series. But i really enjoy it. It's got a really good balance of like information about a topic and then it also Presents the an is in a story in the story in this one From the description is that two kids go fishing in there. Would in the woods with grandpa and a sprained ankle throws a wrench in their plans and the asked to teach them first aid camping without a tent cleaning a fish and some more stuff. And i was in a an a co ed boy scout organization called venturing. Now's the kids so this is like right up my alley nice. You're going to go out into the forest and save someone's broken ankle or something i might. You never know. I believe in you cake day. What about you. What are you excited for this upcoming week. Look i've been really really enjoying a new series. That has really kind of blown beyond my expectations. Like i had high expectations at the beginning of it. And it's only raise the bar each week that i've been reading it and this series of course is hard boiled cop and dolphin chapter forty seven next week jack. Before it's been things have gotten serious guys okay. First of all story and art by the incomparable ryu. Hey tamara but again things have gotten serious. We've had some flashbacks we've had some battles porpoise with a purpose. It's on it's so on. It's the writing has only gotten better. It's outrageous it's serious. It's got mythology. It's great it's great if you aren't reading boiled cop dolphin because of the way that it looks because it's got a dolphin and a hardboiled cup because there's a little girl that can talk to animals and also turn animals into gangsters. You gotta let all that stuff go. What just be free. It read the manga. You won't regret it. Okay okay i you know. You're not the first person to recommend this book to me. And i feel like maybe i should just do it. Maybe i should just go in and catch up because it's only forty seven chapters right. Yes that's good. Sitting micro have i ever stood you wrong among i mean honestly honestly i don't think so so you know i should just. I should just dive right in this well. I'll consider that. Once i maybe once i finished demon slayer i'll pick this up in just is drive through it really quick for me this week. I'm excited for time before time. Number two this is declan. Shalva and rory mcconville are by joe palmer colors by cris o'halloran. I can't stop thinking about this book. i don't know what to say about it. Because they're it's it's time travel. It's crime it's it's kinda weird the arts a little wonky sometimes but i think that that all factors into kind of the strangeness of this book i think joel palmer's are is kind of maybe not for everyone but for me. I think that if you had a more quote unquote realistic art style Or something that was more traditional. It probably wouldn't work as well with a story like this. That kind of needs this blurry layer of how does that scientifically make work or make work since because you know time travel is messy but i think that with the the the the serious twist in issue number one With our in our protagonist and his friend and time travel and all that stuff. I think that there's a lot of potential for this book to be really cool. I also think there's a lot of potential for this book to fizzle out in a way that is really exciting That means that it could end abruptly but in a way that is satisfying. So i really wanna see more of this time. Travelling crime stuff. And i think that sh- alvian macken ville have done a good job of telling a story that that works without making you think too hard and again that description of it something needs looper makes me so mad. How accurate it is. I don't want to be that but nonetheless this book's great and i think everybody should be checking it out and it's probably gonna make a really really good trade like a really good collected edition. The first arc of the story is probably gonna read super super well But i'd love number. One and number two is going to be even better so with that being said we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back we're going to be talking about a very interesting topic because I dove into this thinking one thing and then suddenly was flabbergasted with the results. So we're gonna be talking about revisiting a comic or two that you read when you first got into comics my pick will astound you or we back in. Just a second Today i am talking to to insane comic book co-conspirators folks that have worked on books. That maybe you've heard of maybe you haven't. I'm here with dave baker and nicole. Gu we are here to talk about. Everyone is tulip their brand new comic. That's dropping from dark horse on june sixteen and comic shops june twenty-ninth everywhere else. Dave nicole. how are you both doing day. Welcome back to the show not nicole. Welcome to i re- comic books. Could you tell us a little bit about what everyone is. Tulip is as a comic book and why everyone should go and pick it up. Yeah sure Everyone is tulip is a hundred and sixty some odd page graphic novel written by me illustrated and co colored by nicole along with colorist elliott hall. And it's about a young woman from arizona who moves to los angeles with the hopes of working in hollywood as an actor and she ends up getting sucked up into the high stakes world of youtube performance. Art which is a real thing and She's involved in a series of kind of bizarre online performance art videos that go viral and she becomes this kind of medium in l. a. Sort of and she is forced to reckon with the nature of Online of viral fame and and also presented with questions of kind of how far issue willing to go to get what she wants. And what compromises Ish are she. Is she willing to make in order to preserve her moments in the sun as it were holy smokes. That is it. Sounds extremely heavy. Isn't that what you guys were calling for with this. We don't often do light okay. Okay i mean yeah. I i've read. I read some of the fuck off squad books that you guys did. I know you're trying to get into like actual people's hearts and minds. And i think that this this book at least from the pages that i've seen For those of you who are listening right now you can go to. Everyone is tulip dot com and read forty eight pages of this graphic novel for free. But yeah i. I love everything that i've seen so far. I mean i think in your your director's commentary that you did for the first episode of first page of the book that was on the website. You mentioned that this book had been building for like five years. What how do you. How do you build a story like this for five years. And i guess what was like the hold up. If you don't mind my asking combination of a couple of things. David i conceived of this about five years ago while we were on a trip to thought bubble in leads and we kind of went to the show Salt books and then decided to travel around a went to paris and london and cut a little vacation after the show and we spent the whole time. Talking about this book And we were mostly self publishing at the time so we kind of with the intention of pitching around just started the book and we were working on it for a while and kind of right in the middle of it. I got the job to draw Shot of the back for dc. So i had to kind of do both for about a year and combination of me. Multitasking us trying to pitch the book to dark horror. Cynical weather publishers. As well as fine a chorus to were on and finished the book with us it just kind of ended up being this extended period of time where it took a little longer than we were expecting but also comics general. It just takes a lot longer than people think it does break right. Yeah a hundred hundred sixty some odd pages. It's not something you just wake up and roll out of bed and just done. Unfortunately drawing up the book. Because there's so much you end waiting for publishers or doing this or that or the end process putting the book together. Echinacea takes longer than you think. It's going to every time you mentioned you know coming from the self self publish world you know what was the. i guess. What made the change from doing this. Like publish it yourself and doing the distribution everything that you normally would for your other books And instead working with dark where did that change over. Happened or was the idea to work with dark from the gecko we had put out. You know you mentioned fuck off squad Which is are coming of age. Romance skater kid comic. That silver sprocket put out And that book You know. I mean i think it. I think people liked it you know. I think it was a couple of those a little. A little bit at indy buzz as they say and i liked it thank you i i like it too but i'm probably biased because like i i liked the characters in that book more than like some of my own family members. So you know. I wouldn't take my. I wouldn't take my my opinion on. It is completely unbiased but The book found its way into the hands of some people over. At course specifically our editor conor knudsen who approached us at a show and was just like. Hey i read this thing. it's really good. You guys wanna do something. Dark horse activity other ideas and I was like a yeah. Let's fuck and party. And and so i sent him some ideas and we talked about some stuff and then he you know i showed him some pages for tulip and he was like whoa. This is this is cool also. It didn't hurt that you know after nicole's name there's a little parenthetical says. Dc comics shadow of the bat girl. So you know that. I think that kinda helped grease the wheels 'cause you know i don't know that there's a ton of comics that are kinda like tulip. Now there's there's stuff that's sort of starting to be produced like it. You know kind of you know. I think people who like snot girl would like our book. People who like you know maybe bloomer. This one summer. Maybe they might be into it. But there's off there's not a ton of like well produced sad people sitting in rooms talking comics. Least you know that. Look like this. Yeah yeah. I mean and that's very funny that you say that because i look over at my shelf and those are all the books that are sitting there so i guess this book was also made for me as a comic book reader which makes me very excited The thing that you know. I think is really interesting. Is like this feels like some. That's very unique for dark horses publishing because again you name. A bunch of books and those books are coming from like first second and publishers. That i think are trying to do a little bit more less. Kfc books less books that are oriented towards the you know the big comic book distribution model and instead focusing on these ogsm's that i think are harder to sell in some comic shops but then there are people like me who actively seek out these kinds of books So that's to me really really exciting. I know that you guys have done in the past and stuff but the dark horse pushing into this is really exciting for me as a reader. yeah me too. I'm very curious to see how it's going to go. A i mean honestly like from my perspective. There's nowhere to go but up like total nicole. Obviously nicole's nicole's the the smoke show here. She's the one that got to the massive fan base and the legions of people. Being like mccall. Please mccalla look at me. I'm here notice me sent pie. Notice me this is not but you know for me like i'm you know i'm and nicole joking aside like we're both so used to self publishing that you know For something that we made in created completely an own completely for it to get a wide distribution and be seen by a bunch of people hopefully. That's that's a really big step up. You know whether that's a couple thousand more whether that's a thousand more whether that's fifteen thousand more. I have no idea. But i'm i'm just very excited about the potential of it Publishing allows you a lot of freedom for what you wanna make it. How you wanna make it. You can do literally anything that you want but in terms of the number of is that are going to be on your work even if you do a really good job of calling shop since ending your book out and and getting it to as many places as you want dave hand seller books personally at conventions. And that's how we get them to people having a company like darkhorse who just has kind of mechanisms to distribute your book in this kind of broader way. It just makes a lot of difference for the number of people who are going to be exposed to what you make. I feel like that's how we met. You guys isn't it. I feel like we met you at a show maybe Maybe i don't remember. But yeah i was either emerald city or chicago. I can't remember one of those too but like yeah we definitely like i just happened to walk by. I saw book and i was like. Oh this looks really cool. And then i think we just exchanged contacts and we just kept in contact after that but yeah i mean like that that whole exchanges is definitely in my mind like what the publishing world looks like. I don't think i'm going to establish a connection with someone at dark horse in that. Same kind of manner you know. Yeah totally or even just like the the existential black hole. that is self publishing. Your book only gets out in those specific parameters whereas with dark horse. there's got warehouses. They're going to be shipping books all over the country even the world like you're going to be able to order it through diamond even though diamond isn't gonna be here for that much longer and all all of these mechanisms where you know you can go into account bookstore and the odds of seeing action hospital on. The shelf is very small. Because i personally will have had to sold them that whereas the odds of seeing everyone's tulip on the shelf hopefully will be dramatically higher. Which is something. I'm very excited about. Because i feel like you know there's a there's a. There's a real gap in the market and there's a readership that's hungry four stuff like this and you know nicole's our work is really good. Elliot's colors are really good. And you know i don't think i'm a terrible writer. So there's that will steer this little bit back towards the book. I mean one of the things that i noticed that becomes crucial like even from the first like twenty pages. This book is the influence from social media. is curious like you guys. Do this really cool thing with. I think you talked about in the commentary. Like i was glued to that when i watched it. So thank you for putting that video you talked about this like social diamond thing with the i with the iphones and stuff that you said started another book carried over to this one like how. How does the change over the last couple of years of social media like one thing dies in the grows influence this book that something that is definitely. It's definitely it's definitely been on both of our minds since the book has been done for an extended period of time and when we started this book tiktok wasn't a thing really and now it's everywhere and you know it's it's It thankfully. I don't feel like the book has been completely pushed relevancy. You're become dated in some major way right. Which i'm very excited about but i but i'm also just excited that you know like you're talking about within the book there. There's this narrative mechanic where we have nine panel grids and then inside of the grids there are patterns Using cell phones replacing certain numbers of the panels to create shapes either an x or a diamond and both of those shapes play medically into the structure of the story and they also play visually into the constructions of the pages and nicole did such an amazing job realizing that you know and rendering that hin in two dimensions three dimensions. Whatever you know. What i'm saying like it's so it's so easy for me to god. I got this idea right. We're gonna have a nine panel grid but if you pull your is back and look at it it's gonna there's going to be phones to form an x over the page. That's going to be thematically related to. What's inside the page. Right right right saying that. is you know. That's so easy but nicole executing that so brilliantly and making it communicate so well is really what. I think paul's the whole book together. You know like there's there multiple narrative mechanics like that inside of tool that. I don't know that another artist could be like nicole truly is a co creator of this book. And i know that there's going to be damascus. Who talk about the book and say dave baker is. Everyone is to up which is stupid. Like writers can't be tours in the comics medium. It's just. It's just not a thing that can happen. Watchmen is only great because of fucking dave gibbons and now this concludes the meeting of the nicole group. Fan club Mike pass the my becky any of that for one episode. I mean nicole. I guess to kind of like to get into your head about this. What how did you go about like designing. I don't know if you thought about this. Like tulips phone. I think a lot of times when you see phones like this in in media any kind like just the look of the phone and how the phone is designed and all that stuff can really speak many words about like a certain character like was that going through your head as you were showing tubes phone throughout the book. I mean it's it's definitely part of the thought process when you do anything like that in you know. I started drawing this five years ago. And essentially i was using my phone as a basis for what i was looking at and at the time i already had an updated phone so tulip is or rather. Becca is not necessarily someone who's supposed to be super up all the times at least start the book. She doesn't have a lot of money. She is not really keyed into how the industry works. Edgy has this sort of outdated phone now that this book is coming out five years later from what i started. Drying that's even more kind of drawn out and extended for what her technology looks lake But i think it still kind of plays as others like they said. There's a real risk when you dive into topics like this of making something that's dated very quickly What i like to think of it more as like a snapshot of certain time because the technology changes so quickly that you kind of can't ever keep up in a meaningful way when things take as long as they do to make into so instead of worrying overly a about a well you know. Instagram is not as big a deal. It's more talk now. It's kind of like this. Is the environment that we lived in for the span of time in that we're commenting on but also our next book takes place in two thousand five so we just completely time. But yeah i. I think like there's always a risk and it always. You always have to consider the way that technology changes in how it affects way characters. Interact and how we interact with our world like how many people are going to be reading this comic on their phones on our on our website that we're putting it out on you know so that stuff then is like another meta level of dealing with technology is just pervasive through our lives. There is no world in which you can't consider it anymore definitely now now. I think we've gone far beyond the comic And and now this is. The you know if philosophy podcast. We're going to talk about. How technology influences our life. But because. I think that that's really interesting. I'm you know that is a portion of the book. You know. Just this this overnight sensation thing with that i i really enjoyed. There's there is something that you guys had mentioned about watching their these youtube videos that that kind of formed the basis of this story. Could you guys tell me a little bit about about that. Because i feel like. I'm missing some context. There yes sure. So there's there's a there's a weird little ecosystem of people who all kinda do this thing of these weird atonal performance art videos There's a russian performance artist named doll. Vida who takes photos where she's like you know it's a typical influence or shot where somebody like posing in front of a mirror or whatever but all of the walls will be made with bacon and it's like a it's like an anti eating animals or you know pro vegan thing or something like that or you know like sure. There's another person named poppy who does a similar thing where she's kind of there like these weird david lynch short film style atonal things where it's performance art plays a character and and even even to a certain degree like bella porch. Who's like the biggest tiktoker right. Now is kind of like that. It's bill approaches a little bit more commercial and naked in her in air quotes influencing where it's kind of these silly videos where she's lip synching to things and but it's also it's also kind of not like you can see her life changing over the course just sixty four million followers right now which is just. That's that's larger than like a lot of countries you know like that's crazy. Isn't there like a hundred and fifty million people in the us that right or is it. Three hundred million. As i think it's three hundred and fifty all right. So if it's three hundred and fifty million. A third of a third of america follows bella porch. That's crazy that's crazy and you can see it. Reflecting in her real life in the decision she's made and you know the not to be mean but elective surgeries that she's partaking in and it's very it's very interesting to see how that amount of attention can warp someone's world in a positive or a negative way you know and so you know there's a like a like a weird little ecosystem of these people do kind of in air quotes fine art esque influencing which i don't really like the title influencers. It kind of doesn't make sense to me because it's not about the act of doing something it's about the effect you know like it'd be really like instead of being a comic artist it would be like being cold like a paper pusher or something you know what i mean like. It's like i the act is that you are creating thing. The act is that you are making something and putting it into the world as a as a creator or artist and influencing isn't about that thing it's about the radiating waves that that thing has you know. Yeah it's just really really weird to me. That's the title that we've all collectively agreed on. But yeah i i. I very interested in in new media. Stuff i work in new media company. I'm constantly surrounded by it both for the positive and the negative And nicole and i got really into a few of these people a couple years ago. And we're really kind of obsessed with their lives and their trajectories and it's very interesting to see where they've all gone. Definitely that. I know you mentioned some of those names that i starting to recognize like where a lot of this is coming from so now now my is even more peaked. Is that where this book is going to go. After the few pages that we've had so far That are available online. Which again everyone is to up dot com. Everyone go check that out. It's incredible my last question. I guess before we wrap up here is. We've been really getting focused on this on the show so i'm curious to know what your processes nicole like. I believe you did the lettering for this book as well. How did you go about like structuring. The book to make sure that the lettering worked for what you guys like what dave had written. Yes that dilemma specific to you but it can be Mandela of fitting into our work like that is something. That's actually really hard for me. And the thing that really shifted. My process is when i got my ipad it started working on procreate to be able to actually let her as one of the very first stages of my process now so do thumbnails and then i will ask pencil. I drop in letters to make sure that their space. And i draw bubbles into the page and i do draw them on top so we need to change We can and also if dave wants to rewrite stuff later. That's fine but we know exactly. How much space. There is an i know. Exactly how much space around. The bubbles are four The artwork that. I'm trying to fit in there because you know a couple of our early books. I didn't plan as well Or didn't have the processes down in the same way. We had shove lettering sideways into a panel or cover up something that i didn't want to cover and it was really frustrating to me and so kind of discovering that i could do this all at once was a groundbreaking for me. It also makes process take locker hung a double edged sword. I'm like lettering before anything's even done and sometimes that can bite in the later but It really really makes a difference for me to be able to figure out exactly how much space i need before. I finish my drawings. Gotcha it makes me wonder how people even manage to make lettering work when they're all there's four or five people in the process editing and all that other stuff on your play devil's advocate. I would argue that. A lot of mainstream comics. Don't make lettering work. Like i think you know. This is not a slight on the letter or letters in general. I think it's just a reality that i think. Because mainstream and specifically big to lettering and the creative conveyor belt is built to separate powers and to shore up editorial say as opposed to creative influence from the actual creators. That's what you get things like you know. A bunch of guys jumping out of a plane on a splash page. And then there's fifteen word balloons where they're like having a conversation while flying through the air in what impact because somebody somewhere fucked up artist changed a panel and didn't realize something and now we have to do an exposition dump in one place as the only space in the book that has it. So this is what we gotta do like so much of that stuff because it's such a turn and burn environment you know. The the monthly deadlines are brutal. Like it's a totally it it. It's not it's not conducive to good comics always Which is you know. Probably not gonna be changing anytime soon. But i just wish people had longer lead times like i was watching an interview with brian. Hits the other day and he was talking about how for the ultimate. They started that book and he had to turn in the completed first issue of pencils in one month like they didn't have any lead time to develop or work on the actual thing and like look. How much of an impact. That stories had like that first. Volume of the ultimate is basically. What the whole entire. Mcu is built off and imagine if they'd had six months lead time we would've been crazy. Who knows what they would have gotten. Maybe we would have gotten a third ultimate book instead right now dog. Shit joe mad thing. Listen no one wants mark miller to write any more marvel books. I same here. i don't want to write anything. Yeah well as much as i would love to keep keep going with that i i do wanna compliment nicole one. More time i page twenty two and twenty. Three of this book is absolutely beautiful. And i think a lot of people will pick this book up just on that page. Just wanna shout that out. It's like a just a two page spread That is just becca. Just saying everyone is tulip I i was like fell out of my chair. When i saw it so i just wanted to make sure shout that because i had that in my notes but yeah thank you both so much for hanging out with me today. Sorry nikolai to give you a chance to tell me to stop complimenting but sh we we both know that's one of the reasons why i'm always So so ecstatic about her work. Because i can tell it makes her uncomfortable. sorry. I don't mean to be rude but really i do. Thank you both for coming on the show This was an absolute blast. I looked very much. Look forward to reading the full. Everyone is to love and everyone out. There should go pick it up on june sixteen at your comic shop or you know from from wherever else you buy comic books on june twenty nine. This looks like it's going to be a fantastic read. So i'm very excited to get into my hands baseman. I appreciate you. Yeah i appreciate you taking the time to talk with us about dumb shit. I love talking dumb shit especially when it comes to comics working. People find the both of you on the internet if they wanted to. Maybe ask you some more questions about what you really think about. Diamond distributed distributors. You can find me at nicole dot com or on twitter at ethnical goo or instagram at at and goo and my last name is spelled g. o. u. x. And you can find me at. Hey dave baker dot com or on instagram talk in twitter at day baker x. Or if you want to listen to my podcast. I co host produce a an explainer. Podcast called deep cuts where my co host andrew price and i pick an obscure topic and walked the listener through the ins. The outs in entity gritty. They can appear like an interesting and idiosyncratic person at their forced social function. We've in fact we we go hand man we we do crazy shit. We did a whole episode about the rise and fall of napster but we did it as a musical eleven original songs. Two and a half hours you get to hear my dulcet tones. We also did an episode about buckle bonds. I in the mini unmade sequels and. We got earle mack. Russian w d richter the writer and director of the original movie to produce and write an original ten minute narrative sequence that goes at the end of our episode and we got two of the actors from the movie. Pepe serna as As reno kid. And billy kare others or billy vera as pinky carruthers to be in the scene. So it's knee by co host and two of the characters from bucker bonds economically hanging out amazing amazing. Well i'll put all the links to that in our show notes for this episode. Thank you both again. Don't forget everyone is tulip dot com has all the information and you could read forty eight pages for free this book. It's amazing Thank you nicole dave. We will talk to you all soon before we get into this week's topic. I forgot to announce our discord picks for this week's a danny said that he's excited for venom two hundred. I just wanted to shout that out. Because i totally missed it in my notes but let's get into things. Let's let's revisit a comic or two that we read when we first got into comic books. I really curious what renee and kate have to say. So let's just start with you guys because my pick is just absolutely awful kate. What book did you revisit for this episode. Oh boy well. I revisited. Sailor moon i my. I feel like. I've always said my first comic book was runaways and i realized a few months back that it was sailor moon. I was picking up. Sailor moon when i was like eleven. This was so long forgotten about it. That's what here's the thing like. What buried sailor moon in the back of your head for so that when you revisited were. Did you become a child again. When you picked it up. I feel like i forgot about this because i i had originally gotten into the anime and i read the manga as like a a way to keep keep going with the story like keep it. I don't know being able to pick it up whenever i want and basically instead of having to wait for the show to be on tv. And when i when i revisited it i actually tried to revisit it a few years ago and i i couldn't do it. There are some things about it that are kinda cringe now and i couldn't. I just couldn't keep going. Like i feel like i re watched that first episode or reread that that chapter one back and maybe twenty nineteen and i was like oh no i can't i can't do it. This is going to ruin my my good memories of sailor moon back. When i was and this time i knew that going ahead and Like i i knew the Originally they had adapted sailor moon into the back in like the the ninety s. And then turn turn to that version into. The anna may free english for the english translation. And they'd really censored it and really americanized like the names and everything and even even some of the original translation terms or really rough especially around any technology like they called like what was basically a walkie talkie a remote and yeah that tracks that makes sense. Yeah and and going back into it. I knew that they have had sense. Retranslated it so it's much more modern for the technology terms and they didn't censor it as much and they kept the japanese names and just just knowing that they'd they kept trying like they bring it back it was still it was still popular enough to To make it better pretty much. that really helps revisit. We'll what what kind of censorship did they did. They put it or pull out of the the story so the main thing that really stood out was that there is a a same sex couple lesbian couple later on in the series and they tried to make them cousins for the english translation right kissing cousins cousins that sleep in the same bed cousins that hold hands cousins that you know come on. That's what happened ono. And then you know actually one of the things that they did when they re translated the manga is that they took out the commentary from the creator In the manga which was kind of like the commentary and manga sometimes is very distracting. And sometimes it doesn't really add anything to the story and half the time. I don't read it. You know but for this degree but okay. That's fine no okay. So for sailor moon. I think her commentary This is by two. That really did add something to the story for me like knowing that this woman created this story to celebrate women and femininity really did a hell my my rereading of it where sometimes that those things can kind of bother me if something is like too much like for example in the first chapter slash the first episode. There's this whole thing about a jewelry store. All these girls are really into going and trying to buy some of the very expensive jewelry and it just feels really capitalist to me but at the same time like reading the creator's commentary about it. She's like these things are like enjoying jewelry isn't a bad thing and i wanted to kind of highlight that and make it. Not you know not awful. Sure and the fact that they took that kind of commentary out. I feel like it. Didn't it didn't hurt the manga that it had been there before And i missed it. Gotcha gotcha but but going back to your your censorship question One of the things that was in this commentary was that the crater was like i. I is is more mail than what i i made the banga be and Yeah like there are definitely now that i have researched this a little bit more. I know that in the original japanese version of the anime there is definitely more detail and the nudity than than what they kept in the english version. I haven't watched enough of the new translation. The kinda like revisited anime to see if they kept that part censored or not like. I don't think that there's any like full frontal nudity or anything but with the lake magical girl transformations. There's definitely some some more detail than than you necessarily need for this. Like i say that as an american you know like but or like there's There's scenes where the like one of the sailors takes a bath and you definitely can like see through the water versus not see through the water for the english Version just like i mean you know. I guess there's less taboo bubis in japan. I think that's absolutely not the case. So yeah it was just really interesting that the even the creator had noticed this about the anime. Yeah well. I american the americanized of pretty much. Everything causes a lot of censorship. Like dragon ball. For instance is one of those things where you know you watch the early dragon ball cartoons and you there's definitely moments were were were. Goku is walking around with his little tiny boy penis hanging out. And it's it's it's done for comedic effect like you read the manga and it's in there and it's not sexualizes. It's not anything it's just. A little boy took his pants off and ran around. And i think that as adults people find that funny like when a little kid just like runs naked you go. Oh no that kid is naked. But i don't know. I think like for maybe for sailor moon it that it was kind of like a sexualization of women teenage girls and stuff which is kind of Not okay by any means. But i don't know it depends. Maybe maybe there's more to it that i don't understand but Americanization of a lot of things tends to typically sensor stuff like that when it could remotely be taken sexually. Yeah i think. I am going to keep going with this in some form. I haven't quite decided if i'm gonna watch the the original or or the newer version of the anime. I have noticed that like with the original version of the anime. There is kind of this. This nice Pastel colouring to it. Even though it is it is definitely an older anime style but then the newer anime that they redid the art for it's like the backgrounds are beautiful like very. I don't know. I don't want to say like a miyazaki style. That's not quite right. But that much more i dunno soft of very natural. Art the background. But then the characters are like airbrushed the totally different art style. And i found it distracting but from the from the little bit that i did reread and rewatch and both the old old versions and the new versions the new the crystal. It's called sailor. Moon crystal. The new version is is a little bit more true to that original manga. That is not like if it had not been americanized. Gotcha yeah danny in our chat saying that sailor moon crystal is top notch animation. So i guess if you're trying to get into sailor moon maybe you start there rather than trying to go back to the oj stuff. I actually watched a youtube video called. Why should watch the oj. Sailor moon anime. you cowards. That was a really good youtube video. She did a very good job of kind of giving you the rundown much better than than what i'm doing. Gotcha link that in the chat for people that want to look into that but before we dig any further into into sailor moon Rene what about you. What's what's something that you wanted to revisit. I know your list is a little bit bigger than mining. So because i had a really i grew up with comments. My brother's head comics and whatnot. Sure and then. I just kinda fell off with them for a very long time and then it was like my junior high school that i my i went to go visit my brother out in california and he bought me a random issue. He was like pick out a comic book that you want. I grabbed one. And then that got me back into it. So i and i still have all these comics and i actually went back and bought some of the ones that i remember reading as a kid so i have all these comics and whatnot. So and i reread. The weird thing is though. Is that when you said you know. Grab one in reread it. If you haven't in a while. But it's like i re read these comics a lot. Okay just because of like. I guess it's like people are like. Oh you know instead of watching a new show. We're gonna watch her old favorites. I don't do that with tv shows. But i do that with comics. All the time like kara no-go like at least once or twice a year. Like through a whole whole series. I mean i can understand that though that that bulk is probably one of the best manga. I've ever read so good and Know i reread through naruto every once in awhile and dragon ball z. Because i have almost all drag wolsey again. I don't wanna and say that my manga collections impressive. But it's not not pressing. Yes yeah but so. I think i'll go with key no-go. Because i i almost have that serious collected all the way in enough physical volumes. I mean the whole series is on the shop. So i mean i can. Fight am reading through them like no. I don't have the next volume all right. We're going right and gone to the phone. But i was rereading he car no-go volume one for this and i was like this. Oh god because i actually originally read like the first chapter in like a preview book that my friend had given me and that made me want to actually like you know. I saved up money from my summer job. And then i went and i bought the first volume i first chapter is pretty good though he who is kind of a little shit like most of the series it really i mean i know. That's that's why. I've kinda surprised that that first of all your first chapter would be enough to be like i gotta get the rest of the still. Have this preview bug. I think ideal ideal. I found it immediately. It's like the. It's the first thing i don't know what it was. I have no idea why. But i was like you know what i wanna know more about this boy. This board game in this ghost. It's just it's just captured me on a level that. I don't think i could begin to explain. I still have this previews book. That's how i feel like your room must just be overflowing with nostalgic items. I don't understand where you keep it. It's not even here's the thing is i'm actually i. I don't have a lot of things other than books like. I don't keep stuff okay. I don't keep stuff like other than books. Like honestly i found my my yearbook. But i was like the only reason that they're here is because their books because i don't have anything else in my school. Like someone's like our you have that megaphone that the castle signed for the player now. I didn't keep that craft. Boys don't care but the point is he car. No-go is excellent and kate was saying with the censorship in will sailor moon. There's actually something very interesting at the end of volume one. Where someone in the american translation. Someone puts a piece of gum on a go board but in the japanese version. It's cigarette. Oh russell when you get to do like he's sticking this piece of gum they're smoking. You're like why is there smoke for a piece of gum because it's cold and the gun was warm mouth. I guess Yeah from his worm out. He's he's like. I'm gonna put a cigarette on your hand if you can't guess this or whatever and it's like it's like i always thought when i first read. That seems a bit extreme. He spent gum on four now. He's threatening to produce cigarette on his hand. He's not an adult when i was like. No that's the point that he's a dangerous kid okay. And he's a dangerous bowl is like the kid from the karate kid. Who's smoking up. Dooby at the halloween dance in the bathroom stall. That's a dangerous. Do so so rene. What was it like going back to this book. I guess if you read this pretty regularly what how. How has your view on. This book changed since you were like younger to now. I guess i understand it a little bit more. And i always try to solve the problems since i actually know a little bit about go now as opposed to like when i first read it i had no idea what was going on. It was just like hey. It's a colorful design on that thing. Whereas now i wonder if i can actually solve this problem and the other differences that you know when i read it the first time had no idea what was going on and i was just kind of taking it in being swept away by the magic on the pages whereas now i'm reading it because it's interesting but at the same time i wanna capture those moments. That are my favorite. You know like there's this this happens like you know. There's there's farther moments in the series like when artists in volume one. He cars snaps down stone properly for the first time and the art is gorgeous and watching it unfold on those panels. You know that you sort of get this feeling that i think is that like i. It's probably not as strong as the first time. But it's still such a wonderful moment that revisiting again. It gets me excited to read the rest of the series but i think it's like one is that knowing the back of my mind. Yeah that was. A good series is a good series but rereading et sort of seeing knowing knowing how it is completed it but being able to go back through it again. I don't know. I just enjoy it but like it's weird. 'cause you know that it's good I don't know if i'm explaining explained correctly. No i i understand like there's a nostalgia to and i totally get that. I guess what's really interesting here. Is i feel like you and kate pick a book that you were like. Yeah like or rene. You've got a couple of other books but like you guys pick some options. That were like yeah. I have fond memories of reading this thing. I picked a book that i have slightly fond memories. I remember reading it and thinking like yeah. This is so fucking cool guys like. I love this book. i picked battle volume one to go back to reading off. This is by robert kirkman. Tony more and i just want to say that. This book has not aged. Well i repeat. It has not aged well to say the least. I think the reason. I really liked this book when i was younger. is because i was in college and freshman year of college. I felt really cool Reading a book about like the pope. So anti-religion oh man look at. How blast miss. This book is talking about the pope. And jesus is in the book. Jesus like an idiot with a gun and they're killing demons and the pope is like he's had sex. The budge women and stuff and women. Just can't resist i was. I thought that that was funny. I thought that that was really funny for some reason. So like for those of you. That don't know the battle. Pope is a story about the world ending demons coming up from hell and then the world kind of making a mutual agreement after this rapture where people are raptured to heaven that like everyone who stays on earth has like is it can basically work with demons but some people still go to hell. And they're like is this door that went to hell but it is now closed and saint michel is sent down to basically watch over the remaining people on earth even though they're all centers and bad people including the pope who was like a womanizer and a hard drinker Before everyone got raptured and the pope ends up sleeping with this woman and these demon show up and they kill the woman and then he they kill him. But then god and jesus are like. Hey you can't die. Union to actually save saint michael. Who's been taken by lucifer. Loose trying to steal his halo which were angels all their powers and so battle. Pope pope whatever he goes on a quest to try to us save michael but his sidekick is jesus and it's all just nonstop like it. Don't worry i'm going to kill these people and then sleep with these aids. That's the comic book and there's probably there's more to the story like kirkman does his you know he. He sets up the world so that basically battle pope can go round and be a shit head and it seems like normal and it feels like a nineties comic book comeback into the year two thousand. Because that's when this book came out year two thousand and Tony moore's are is okay like i think it's very much tony more but at the same time the line work is so heavy as wondering if todd mcfarlane like ink this book. Yeah it's I remember why. I thought this book was cool and then i think i started reading other comics in went. Oh yeah Don't ever go back to that. And i never did. And i've you know. I follow some podcasters. Who like talk about this book. About how wild it is and how that it exists in that it was made by robert kirkman and it's clear that this is a very very very early robert kirkman book. This is when he was basically just trying to get people to look at his book versus following it up a few years later with the walking dead and create one of the most successful comic book franchises in recent history. I think you know kirkman as a businessman is probably really smart. And that he knows what will get people to pick up his books and see his name. and kind of have them go. What the hell is this book. Because battle pope i think exactly that reminder standing in his book didn't last very long. I only read the first four issues because that was all i could put myself through honestly this book. It's every single. Page is just another bad joke. Like something sexist. Something over the top something that feels like a like someone that read a bunch of nineties comics like if you read logo or you read spawn where you read savage dragon. Red young blood back in the day. And then you wanted to make a comment that was like no mosh to the mentality of let's Baddest dude the comic book. That's what battle pope is and then of course it helps doesn't help that. It's you know. Basically making fun of like the christian religion but like not in an overt way using the characters of the religion which to me makes a lot of people mad. But yeah i guess i for my understanding. It makes people now. Yeah it's a yeah. I don't know what else to say about this. I went back. And i could not read much more than the the few issues that i read. You guys have any questions. Because i'll gladly scrape about this book. Smart i do i. I'm curious what you guys think. These early comics did for your interest in comics like did did cause you to look for similar subjects or look into more look into more books by that creator or anything like that I well i. I'll safely say this. I don't think i actually read this before. I read invincible. Or i was reading walking dead so like back in the day Image used to put these little inserts into all of their trades. And you would get this. I got this insert for dead. I think i was reading. It said other books by robert kirkman and it was invincible and battle pope and i remember. I couldn't find battle. Pope anywhere. And so i ended up. I'll freely admit. I piloted this when i was in college right. I bought the issues to read for this. This episode you guys. I paid money for this comic book. Put back in the day in college. I couldn't find it anywhere. Sorry pirated excited. No where else to get it. And i just wanted to read more about robert kirk. I wanna read more of his books. Because i really really liked what he was doing. The walking dead. I really really liked eventually ever really liked his invincible. So like i just wanted to read more of the same creator. I remember you reading battle. pope college. I remember preaching the gospel of this book. I i remember those. I'm not gonna do that. I know why remit realities. I know when we first met i was i was bitter have notably get that. I mean there are jokes in this book that are just so weird like it's all muscles and guns and cigars at one point. That'll pope sleeps with a what he calls satanic jail bait demon like anyways to answer. Cates question is like it's basically. I wanted to read more robert kirkman and it turns out that he did a book that edgy eighteen year old. Mike thought was really fucking on the nose. Really gonna piss off those those those christians back in school. Because that's the kind of kid that i was not anymore. I'm thirty two. i'm no longer eighteen. Tried to grow it. It made me wanna read the The other books that were in the graphic novel preview. That i had it was really hard to find those books but then also like the After the last page because the end of the book ends with a or the end of the privy book ends with the prince of tennis which was a series that i have tried to read multiple times. And it's a lot it's like it's it's pretty good. I do like it. But i don't think prince of tennis is one that you can marathon. It's intense but the very next page after the prince of tennis ends is a little thing for arto and at the time. At the time i didn't i hadn't watched are headed red naruto but i heard about carrying about it and eventually just kept seeing it in this preview book and i was like well. Let's see what this little boy ninjas about and then we never looked back. I love that love that. What about you kate. I feel like well. Okay so first of all. I kind of didn't go anywhere after sailor moon immediately in terms of comics. I think that that's kinda why. I sort of forgot about it and my history with comic books as i just double down on my love of sailor moon. I watched the anime. I read the mangas. I got the movies on on. Vhs was getting all of these extra extra Pieces of of media related to this one single fandom and that was it like i did not pick up another comic book until i was in. Yeah pretty much in in your house and college at one point. But i think that it did kind of open up my ability to accept comics as a medium because especially in on my various small little town than i grew up in it was kinda like comics are are just for kids and blah blah blah. You know So i think that it kind of paved the way for me to pick pick them up again later right. What about you renee. I don't know if there's any more and more to live there you went for. You already said you went to now right to that. But like when i was a when i was a kid i i didn't. I just had like these random comics that my brothers would get. And i've told stories like that before like there. Was this little comic book shop across the street from my middle school and this was before i really got back into commerce but i would i would go over there to see what comics they had and if i had like a dollar to from like change in the in the couch or something like that i would grab one and i still remember one that i grabbed and it was spiderman fifty one. Just another manic. Monday is it. It's a it's excellent. The cover has fallen off now but it was actually the first time inkers easy graded what is i can't get that. Cdc graded so the but it was the first time i saw francisco eras art style and i love it but also like this series. I still remember so much about this comic reading through as like. Oh yeah. I love the way that that web has. There's a bunch of one liners in the comic. That i ended up using you know through my adolescence. Like a tool research when you're younger and you think something's cool man. I totally get that and but like you know. There was always that desire to get back into comics. I think that was always there. That i always wanted and i think just hitting that bug. After getting that preview book you know some five or six years later that just kind of pushed over the edge that like i can read more stuff like there's there's ways to get. There wasn't hoopla back. Then but there were libraries and raynham sales bins at grocery stores and stuff and the like the gas station. That will sell you five books for five bucks. They were ways to do it in. If you had three dollars you can buy a random comic book in and again like i even felt like really. I kept looking for previews books like you. What this this is at least a little sample of multiple things and i also bought like those. They had shonen jump magazine. The us edition where they just had like. A handful of chapters from the most popular manga had enemies. Going on in the us uso. I have a couple of miles as well. But i think what was kind of going back through these. These comments was sort of realizing you know how how my life is kinda change. Because back then i was just kind of grasping at anything that looked familiar or who'll whereas were now can sort of explore in do different things and i should probably less of that running out of room in this room. The danny said earlier that he just imagined your room is just not beds or chairs or anything it's just Piles of books that you sit on sleep young. He's not far off because there are books everywhere. There's like it's like my desk has a bookshelf in it in. That is overflowing. There's books on the desk on top of books. Bookshelf got books on book. On top of my skate stuff. You know yeah. He's not far off. Well one of the things. I realized going back to reading this. This is the last question is like how do you guys feel about these comics. Now that you've read them. And i just want to answer i in that saying that i realized that you know. Sometimes you read books and they're not all winners. But i think that that is a lot of comic books. Is that there are. There are books that came out during a certain time period. Right like two thousand was an interesting time for comics. Marvel almost collapsed. Dc was kind of just doing what whatever they want and image was kind of on the precursor of the rise that became the modern era of image rang. And you know going back and revisiting this. I'm like oh my gosh. Look at how far. I've come as a comic book reader and like the kinds of things that i'm willing to put up with. The things that i recognize are not cool in comic books anymore. And you can say like oh. This book is of a certain time but even at the time like there's definitely something kind of gross about this book that i should've picked up on when like because there are books that come out today. That are like intentionally. Super aegean tried to get out there. But they're being put out by like not huge publishers. Because i don't think people want to read that anymore when the people that do wanna read them you you kinda wanna sequester them in a corner In in some ways and so i. I'm glad that. I read this as a younger kid because i think that i would have been if this is one of the first books i picked up now like say i hadn't read any comic books up until this point i probably would have been super turned off by comic books because of how like childish and over the top. This book is where is not a lot of the comic books that we read nowadays. I feel like a lot more nuance Not to say they didn't have him back then. But like you know. Just the books that i was reading back then didn't have a lot of nuance they were just in your face. Kind of action packed books. you know early. X men are x. Men from around the time as well as some of the image books that i mentioned before. That doesn't make them all bad. 'cause they'll still think invincible is a pretty solid comic book even despite its issues i think the early you know first. Half of walking dead is a fantastic comic book. I really enjoyed reading that but like there wasn't a lot of necessary like new or more to read into in some of those books and battle. Pope i think is the worst committer of that in that it. It's just in your face for the sake of being offensive. And there's there was a like a mentality that i had reading through after they read through the first issue of just like is this robert. Kirkman super hyper religious book. Where like he intentionally showing all the bad stuff of the world is like a switch around to like convince you to convert to whatever religion he hasn't. I haven't finished battle pope. I don't think i ever read all of it but will you but that was my no. I don't have time for the joke in my head was like. Is this robert kirkman. Way of like pulling the wool over your eyes to have like a big reveal at the end that you need to convert to whatever religion. He's a part of I don't know if that's the case. A lotta swears a lot of lot of sexual things in this book to make me believe that but Anyway that was just weird but yeah like how do you. How do you guys feel like now. Having gone back revisiting. These things for sailor moon. I can see both why my parents didn't want me watching it at the time and and i can see why it had staying power enough to get additional translations I think that there there is like i said like the celebration of amenity. The this big group of of girls that have won another -nother is backs. I feel like there's there's certain things that have happened since then in pop culture that have really pulled on sailor moon as inspiration especially with the magical transformations right. I mean so. Many people also cite this as like a serious inspiration for them to become creator in some capacity or they they loved sailor. Moon is a kid in that was a driving force for them to want to create comics with that. Same kind of push for femininity and stuff. Yeah and now i mean. I'm glad i'm glad that comics and manga have exploded. out and and will have different subject matter in different like superpowers and and other other other combinations of groups in them like. I'm glad that we have something other than this. The market but i really did enjoy revisiting. This knowing that i was going it was going to be a little outdated. Gotcha what about you rene. Any final thoughts about going back in reading books that you've said you've read a couple of times. Yeah 'cause i think Before because i just kind of read them just because one. They're the most easily accessible books. Because i i do read them so often but this time i kind of going back into like thinking or realize realizing that these are the books that kind of helped me get started or get back into comics and sort of realizing what why where i went from that like no go really did kind of keep my interest in manga. 'cause like i've i've told the story of how i got the volume four of dragon ball z for my cousin. But i had that for so many years. And i didn't go explore other maga berating. He car no-go made me wanna read other manga. As than also it also introduced me to sort of non battle manga so it wasn't just always they have to be punching each other like there can be you know. Face often. don't include battle in the they could punch each other in their ma or on the go board and so i'm very appreciative of that. And then also. I think the fact that like these were aimed at the age group that i was at the time because i think if i had tried reading series like ooh bell black or at that age i don't think i would have continued to read manga. Been that like you've been that kid in the trench coat. Black nail polish and stuff hanging out in the corner not caring about nothing. So i wanted to be that kid but i wasn't that kid right for because you hadn't read berserk as the because my mom's scared the crap out of me about being that this. This has been a really interesting discussion. I i'm glad that we talk about it today. And i wasn't trying to bring the party down with my battle. Pope book i still just don't just don't do it so i guess to wrap things up you know. You can follow us on twitter. You can follow. Rene at rodriguez twenty nine. You can follow kate at kate l. Fear and you can follow me at mike. Rapin and the show at isb podcasts on twitter. 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Tomorrowland

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Tomorrowland

"What you saw was a place for the best and the brightest people in the world came together to actually change. Hey buddy. Welcome to the podcast. Is the podcast where we discussed films that are unrelated underappreciated or ones have just slipped under the radar and pass. Most people by the show is a collaboration of friends and together. We are under cast company in this episode. We're gonna be talking about a called tomorrowland. This is a movie about a girl. Casey who stumbles or marceau's chosen to see a futuristic alternative world where once everything technologically possible was reality is tomorrowland encapsulates. The vision that walt disney and his original imaginaire add. Imagine for a great big beautiful tomorrow Along the way she meets a now disgruntled disgruntled Once upon time dreamer That has been thrown out of this promising world after creating the machine that predicted impending dread and has a pass with an android named tina that has recruited casey And together they chose to stop feature that does not happen and was actually put emotion by people who who want control over their wellbeing of their fellow humans or belly. young bohemians So that's something that sell might sound familiar in today's society but this movie was directed by brad bird of incredible Fame and And he also wrote the screenplay alongside david lindelof of loss fame damon lindelof of las fame and in a couple of other gigi things as well and injections and um the store this m- the stories message has only increased in relevance That while the world has many ways of presenting us with negative things especially mainstream news broadcasts it has equal amounts of great things that we only see that we only need to see to remind us of the things we should truly be fighting for and that a bright feature the bright feature that disney envisioned is still possible to have so. I wanted to just get that whole thing out there. 'cause i took a lot of time as you can tell by my speech right there. This is My choice of of Big swing of which is this month's seen it we're doing the theme month this this year and Big swings are essentially movies that fit the criteria that is A new world building so. Espn original kind of movie concept Just basically yes swinging for the fences derek I think i left a couple of things. You feel Till you movies. That are like a pretty good job will just kind of Liberal concept that i came up with for us to talk about here and i But the other movies that are not based on any pre existing film franchise so they can be adaptations of like a novel or something. But it's not you know an adaptation like a sequel to something else so try tomorrow and is actually one of the first ones who talked about that is a wholly original thing. Takes his name from a theme park area. they have to be really expensive. So in the nine figure so You know over one hundred million dollars They have to have world building like you said and they have to be kind of bonkers. This one isn't as weird as some of the other ones we talked about. But i think it is still kind of like has enough of that bonkers kind of like there's there's some weird weird shit going on in tomorrowland to kind of qualify for for this kind of this type of big swing movie also in there also noted by a good amount of cgi also is like a good telling of of the star of the movie being a big swing but anyway Yes i chose this movie Before i get too far ahead of myself like i always do Let me introduce you to my co Podcasters here in this episode. We have my my brother We have allen torres and got derek madonna. Good to be here so One what you guys think about it. you know. Let's get this thing started Germany gophers lead. Not gonna lay. I think all these big swings. I'm just loving them. A drawing every single one tomorrowland. This was a lot of fun. Hasn't been wondering. I actually wanted to watch this one again. Just didn't have the time or something happened. Where having a chance to go to the movies. And i like everything about it was great. It was fun Kinda definitely had that cool disney feel to it where it wasn't so i don't know who's has hasn't like magic to it that really liked. I really like the story. I like the whole lake. That to orlands kind of own dimension for all these people who are creative or you know smart or artistic and everything to come together and build like kind of a perfect future world so like that. The whole world building stuff like awesome. I loved it. I'm kind of glad that i figured out what the whole the the little pin was. Because every time. I saw the trailer like how does that work. So if she falls down like stairs does she fall down tomorrow. Land and then. Finally they explain like a commercial for tomorrowland. And i was like. Oh okay i was really worried about the logic but we'd sense The acting was great. I think there is a little bit of bunkers and the fight scene. In the scifi store keegan. Michael key like that's incompletely came out of nowhere. It was well. It was welcomed though it was pretty dope. Me and my girl were watching like seen this little android Kick ass we're like right. I'm like invested for sure. I just wanna see those little sheriff people another. But i really enjoyed the story. The only thing. I i was kind of like a little underwhelmed with was like kind of the like the climax like the finale kinda fell very just lake house because they were kind of really building out there. Like we're going to go back to tomorrowland we're gonna fix it. Where do all this. And i was expecting. This really really big climax and it was like it was good. It wasn't bad. I was just kind of like. Oh all right you know because it was just a kept hyping it up the whole time but i mean the opening scene of like her going tomorrowland than you could see. Space mountain in the background was really cool. But like i enjoyed it like i said my only really complaints small little nitpick was felt the climax is a little underwhelming but other than that it also didn't feel like it was trying to reach first sequel like it kind of felt like it was just its own thing it could have been. Its own thing like the another sending out all the little androids. Or whatever to go recruit people and i was like. Oh that's cool again Perfect ending where it could either be continued on or just your left off and you kind of go. Yeah i know what to expect an happily ever after goose. I dug it doesn't along. It was fun. I really really enjoyed it too I thought i i love movies. That are just kind of like set in pessimistic worlds. That are people are still optimistic in them like so they don't the movies themselves. Don't feel necessarily very saccharin but it feels like the people in. It's still believe like have all this hope and stuff like that. And i really liked that you know the kind of the doomsday thing is kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. Like it's you know the world is going to end because people are telling us that the world is going to end so it just kind of creates itself on feedback loop and i really liked that it just kind of like the ending just about optimism and stuff like that and i i got really emotional at the end when what's her name. The robot girl athena. Thank you sacrifices. I've really cuba's great. By the way i had not seen her all the actors like casey's great in this obviously george clooney kills it Hugh laurie is a really good bad guy. I think And it's good to hear of do as british accent. Because i don't think he does a very good american accident so it's good when he is actually doing israel accidentally in a house house. I mean he's he's a good. He's a good actor at. He's he's got the i he's he's yeah he's got the you know. I think i his when he's using his real voice that really his like medicine. Everything kind of comes through a lot better But yeah i i really dug it And i like ariel said. This is done by damon lindelof. Who is probably one of my favorite creators working today. You know in the television and film landscape. I won't shut up about las whenever we do. These podcasts so obviously a students with us name in the credit those like i wonder if dirk will like this because all it takes is is either david Damon lindelof or running or ryan gosling. But yeah there's definitely some like damn lindelof movies where you can tell like. This is a movie. They just kind like he was. And this is something. I've heard him talk about it in interviews where he is there. Where it's like a damon lindelof was brought onto like kinda punch-up a scripted. Part of a team. And there's some movies where it's like. Yeah this is damon. Lindelof movie like cowboys and aliens. He came onto like that. Doesn't feel like damon lindelof movie or like star. Trek doesn't really feel like damon lindelof but he has something like this or like prometheus and those are like very damon lindelof and this really was an actually when it came out. I didn't even know that it was damon. Lindelof just knew that. It was directed by brad bird so i really wanted to see it because of that and for whatever reason i just never really got around to it and then when disney plus models at cool i'm going to finally at the washington still not on that because of the rights and stuff so just never got the see until Suggested do it for your big swing. And i was like on board one hundred percent because like this the i really love that kind of like these are two creators that i wouldn't naturally pair up together but it makes so much sense. I really liked. Brad bird's retro futuristic stuff that he does in the incredible deals and it really came through here all the kind of retro-futurism in tomorrowland. There's lots of really cool. Kind of callback. Call outs stuff. If you like a really big disney fan that you might pick up on like for example. When they like on the rocket ship in the eiffel tower you the goes up by the moon. It's kind of a reference to the original french space mountain which was based on the jules verne from earth to the moon. And like. it's so. It's kind of like based on france-based mountains because france. It's also a actually a bit more based on the road One of the original tomorrowland tentpole rides of journey to the moon or then later on journey to mars which is essentially just like. You're you're writing in a giant rocket and there's a big screen in the middle So it's kinda like a twist on both those ideas a little bit more of the journey to the moon And essentially yeah. There's like so many. I go into it. Yeah that's why they have like. Jules verne is on that counselor. Whatever they like with him and i exit kin. tesla. So that's why is just kind of you know reference to alive disney reds but specifically of the you know the I think it was definitely trying to call the. 'cause it's a part of the the french tomorrowland which is actually called discovery land and it's really a lot cooler than our tomorrowland. Florida smile entertaining But yeah i just. I loved all the little things in the world building in. It's like yet. Is this kind of like secondary interesting world where it is really hopeful. I liked kind of the interesting unique dynamic. That like george clooney had with tina. Where it's like you know he's kind of like been jaded and it's like this person from his past comes back and he's just like she like betrayed me and like you know like when i was a kid i had all these feelings for like. She tricked me but he's kind of. He's starting to kind of see that optimism again when she sacrifices herself for him at the end like it really got to me Overall though yet just really great movie Something else really cool that. It's kinda random that i wanna point out. I mentioned at the beginning. Like i wanted to make a point of noting that jeff jensen Worked on this movie. Because jeff jensen actually has a really interesting cool relationship with damon lindelof because he was like the guy who was like the main loss guy like every week loss would come out. He was calling for entertainment weekly and he would write these really in depth reviews and theories and stuff and like you know over the years of him doing that him and damon lindelof kind of like had really interesting back and forth and because of that he got brought on to do this and work with brad bird and And then you know he would eventually go on. To co create watchmen with lindelof awfully. He was one of the main guys who did Them lindelof Watchmen miniseries which is also fucking great in you know. Everybody should check that out. The the sergio did you wanna. Yeah so. I think since you guys all touch base on it at one point i'll start off with the talking about the world building will really. Well there's two things one one that sticks out is that it's called tomorrowland and it's about getting to tomorrow and fixing and you see it throughout the movie. But it's not the entire movie. A lot of the movie takes place on our earth our planet and so. It's it's very adventurous. You don't really quite know exactly where they are in the world but oh yeah cape canaveral. Okay so yeah. And so there in cape canaveral. So the marlins is it does get described a lot you do see in all of its wonderment. Or what makes this movie different from other movies that we've covered in this series. Is you have these big imaginative worlds right but usually in movies like this. They're getting a sickly explained to you. The audience by the characters will makes this movie different from those much more watchable for me. Is that have a character. Like casey who is very relatable and she's also Experiencing this world for the first time too so as these characters are explaining it to her. You're also learning about it. It doesn't feel like all these characters are just kinda they everything they already know everything in just like going. Wow cool this is awesome. She's also in the same boat with us too and she. She's amazed by everything that we're seeing and she's also a very relatable pilot for the film's themes to so going back to like what allen said it did have that kind of Disney magic it is. It deals with a lot of optimism and pessimism and open hope. Very you know. Moving forward or mittens taibbi as. Yeah so it did for a movie like that or it's the theme is so simple. It does touch base on a lot of things it covers a how actually has quite Like sociopolitical commentary in it in terms of what happens in tomorrowland in what tomorrowland's position the whole thing about the end of the world consumerism. Culture politics economics things like that. It comments on all of that surprisingly just like oh. I was not expecting this from a movie like this. You know george clooney in it and he fights house and the house. Yeah it's a lot of. It is in that final speech that house farmhouse that he gives at the end and it's like it does have does give some perspective to what he what he's doing what he believes in where it's the whole thing of we have to keep this close from the the general public really from normal people essentially because they'll destroy and you know things like that it's it's commentary and it does it really well so it's it's things like i think that. Make this movie different. It's it actually despite the the gigantic of the world at its presenting to you. It also has a dilemma and a half commentary has has really good characters. I love the The relationship between You know. Frank athena. And casey they i. It was really enjoyable. Seeing the three of them have seen together. And just how the clash how their characters clash and it was really cool seeing things very creative sort of for for example the The the setup for tomorrow and the history of the background does get into the laura a little bit of the original four Jules verne does pay a lot of amish to jules verne especially with the scene with the eiffel tower. That part was really cool so this movie does have a lot of imagination in spite the fact that its presentation is a little bit on the smaller scale at times except for the parts where it really wants to show you. I think that's another thing too. Is it knows how to show restraint a little bit. Because it's not constantly bombarding you with the bigness of the world. It's it shows restraint and that's the way it wanted to. That's that's how they want to present the world to you because that's how the The world in the film presents itself to someone like it's supposed to be like this giant flash of but it's just a preview so it's it's really supposed to be a preview of what is to come and that's what i really like about it. It shows restrained in knows what to show and whatnot. So yeah i like how i like. How this movie. it's it's it does have the pieces of a standard big giant world movie. It has those little things were it's like. Yeah there's some talent behind this. There's some talented screenwriters and directors that know what they're doing and they they know what to do and what not to do what to show and when not to show that make this movie Very very watchable compared to others that were were going to be doing it. Totally agree with the restraint. I think i liked. I liked that aspect of it. I mean all the other ones. We've seen their big big. Cgi fuck fest kind of thing while this one of like took its time run a reminded me a lot of the novel called them. Notes for out to. That's by joe hill and that book is like huge. It's like eight hundred. Almost one hundred page book and like keeps talking about this whole place called christmas land and like it it just keeps talking about and it sets it up and it gives you a little bit of world building and then finally around the end of the world or the end of the book. You kinda get to this big climax where he finally get to see christmas land than and with this kind of felt like that where there was that restraint of like. Hey you know we get your here to see tomorrow lamba Let's let's talk a little bit. Let's talk about like the league commentary to that was like the social commentary. I was blown away blown away by. Because i was like. Wow this is a disney movie. I wouldn't expect that. I kind of expected to be more like pirates or something where get straight into the action in. It's like eight. Jeff fest and everything but now did i agree with that. Was those pretty dope like that. Yeah and i think that's why it honestly might not have it because it was a lost a lot of money At the box office it didn't do was pretty down the middle with critics like it has a fifty percent rotten tomatoes. And i think that's what you guys are describing is probably why because it does on the surface. Look like you know this kind of like big like crazy like over the top movie but then it is like a lot more thoughtful than it would seem when like has one scene where it's like you know keep keegan michael key is like a robot in going crazy but then it also is like. Yeah this is kind of like all the stuff like about like you know about the rich getting richer and like trying to keep you everyone else down and keeping all the technology to themselves like all the kinds of advancements not for the common people so it does have a really interesting mix of that kind of stuff. I think maybe audiences and critics weren't sure how to take it or how to do it. And i think that's why it kind of got the Unfortunate reception did when it deserved a lot. Better fifty percent did. I am shocked by that. That's a good like seventy five eighty percent. I i loved it. Yeah so me get started. joe what. I was with this movie. Since the beginning of its conception essentially where they had a special like preview at disneyland and they they gave out those pincer kind of bearing of the pin to different types of pins but they gave one type of pin And yeah. I was in love with it since the since the beginning was scene. i can't i can't remember. I think it was win. frank in the frank's house gets you know Attack that seen the kind of preview and this movie rep essentially in its core presents. So much of what walt disney is. The voice was and I know like Dare he didn't you said that you didn't really wouldn't have expected bradbourn. Didn't david lindelof to light mesh so well but i totally understand it completely because bradbourn is such a in visionary kind of person himself like if he if like i like heard him talk about things and he is in that team totally made sense to me and brad bird kinda like is he brought all the disney mythos because he is a really big disney nerd so this was essentially what the marland in this movie was. Essentially what walt disney in had vision when he created disneyland even with this kind of like communal place where You know technology. That's that was what birth to marlin was that One in to display and get all these people together like the brightest minds till i kinda present what The future be and kind of provide this optimism to People into spread this optimism of the the great big beautiful tomorrow and this movie essentially represents walt disney at. Its core and for me like that. It's just such a great movie. And yeah i don't i think if he had come if it it becomes a became out today especially with david. Lindell like Interpretation of of watchmen and showing that like you know things just don't have to be grandeur and they could be drawn out that it might be receptive a bit better But yeah i mean like like. I said before in other podcasts. In in my you've never seen When it comes to george clooney l. it takes is a really good director in a really good script and he could just knock it out of the park. He's just like we can become one of the greatest with this. Is he just like in cop. Sleep so easily like this man that's you know disgruntled and was a dreamer and like his lost hope because you know like his own machine like and he feels guilt to because his machine kind of put this in motion kinda stopped tomorrowland in its tracks in a way and then yeah like even hugh. Laurie's character like you understand in you. He to me he's not like he is a bad guy. But he's an understandable bad guy and that's like the perfect the best bag in my opinion where he will. He himself was once a dreamer to like even he. You know he believed in to marlin neat believed in the future of humans. And that's why he. In the beginning he was recruiting people himself But and but when he lost hope in humanity because once they were shown this future d- the just accepted it. And let's kinda like good. The social commentary of what's going on nowadays is like even especially with this year. Is that like coming to a point where we're kind like accepting things and just accepting you know bad things happening and stuff like that when when we shouldn't be looking at that we should be looking at like the great things that happened like speaking of which for disney like A whole community created musical out of For ratatouille that actually ended up being very credible and like just Lake it's just. There's there's other side the yeah like it just sucks. Negatively gets brought to the surface where you know all this positivity could like you know like can can rise up and make things and has a potential of making things better and just like. Yeah i mean this is definitely one of my favorite movies of all time and i definitely agree that for our big swings. This is definitely more of the barely underrated of our our our movie. Choices for big swing month But yet i mean it's just a beautiful movie that if you're a disney buff like myself like you just see an especially like if you've seen like the the pictures that the disney and his majesty nears Had created for disneyland specifically tomorrow and you would totally just recognize every all these moments of this movie. you know beverley definitely. Total nostalgia nostalgic from youtube. Because you know the pin. I worked at disney like longtime ago. But i kinda debt like they threw me around. And when i when. I worked in tomorrowland Tomorrowland terrace. But i think pizza poor but you would see people with the logo the kids theater That's where that's where they. They showed the preview. And that's where you would get the pin so so yeah definitely yeah But yeah no. And then i don't wanna go I don't want to not mention that. They they are one of the one. They're the only film. I think to ever elm in disneyland. So they're the beginning in the in the in the opening scene with with young frank. the ride Small it's a small world which famously was premiered at the world's fair in chicago known right. Yeah in chicago and The yeah they've physically went to disneyland and re and went on It's a small world and and wrote in like kinda like you know 'c kind of closed. I think they did it like extremely early before the the Participant but yeah. They didn't they shoot Saving mr banks disneyland. Yeah we did. Yeah that's okay and then escape from tomorrow which was like like saudi disneyland secretly and life shit one officials. I wanted so that was big news. Also when it first came out was that it's the first movie to film and disneyland But yeah i mean it's just it's just if you are disney fan of you know you. This is like definitely movie for you. What were you saying though. Alan about like you were working there. Oh yeah just. It just didn't feel nostalgic. Because like sometimes i'd work at tomorrowland and you know. Be everyone's wearing the costumes and i go to costuming. And you see all the different costumes of all the different lands and everything. And i had worked at pizza port a couple times but it was right. Nearby tomorrowland terrace. You'd see that big t logo and stuff. When i was watching a movie like a like slow like i don't know it just felt like hey like i feel a part of it somehow network there lake Honestly when you worked there there there are people like to love disney that much that that worked there that like imagine years they just go far beyond where they're like. I wanna i wanna make people feel this happened in sierra disney like it's it's pretty cool and like even working there like I mean people have their own experts working there but being backstage in seeing all the stuff like all that magic happen. It's pretty cool in like The kind of deal with this movie. They were trying to like. Give that magic as well like. Check the satellite. You've been tomorrow on. United gone. Did slander lander well disneyworld or whatever. So we'll just go to see. Yeah and i mean like i said like this encapsulates mythos that walt. Disney tried to bring with his movies and with his company essentially is that he wanted to like like down said he wanted to create this magic for people. He wanted to inspire people. And and you know you know bring force in Into marlin like the genius that that human beings are capable of. You know but definitely like an casey kind of embodies that too in a way where she. She's incredibly smart but she is always open to learning more and but not in like a way. That's like demeaning of the person teaching her or you know like if it like when she was being presented all these things like she just absorbing it instead of just like questioning it like you know like some scientists do tend to. Do you know yes she. She wanted to get knowledge not to prove herself right or to like for the actual like you know wanting to learn more. You know she was and she was. You know very much for two very optimistic and like you know. She didn't want her like cape canaveral to close down like she wanted to see like she was kept delaying. And stuff. like that. And you can really see the passion. That bradford and damon lindelof had when they were making this for the movie itself in for all the stuff that they were paying homage to and a lot of. That's the thing. The one of the main things i love that these big swing movies is that they are such works passion that they're not like cheap cash grabs by people like the people making them. They're really they really do like care about it and they have this like when they get. These huge budgets like tell this grand scale movies. It's amazing to kind of see these people's just like patents. Come up and you do often see like craters will make something. They'll get their big break. And a lot of these big swings are these kind of these filmmakers. Make something and then they kind of get a blank. Check to just like all right. Just go hog wild. Make whatever the fuck you want. Because you know brad bird. He makes the incredible 's than he makes mission. Impossible ghost protocol in. He's like hot shit this point so he's like okay cool. I want to make weird sci fi movie while damon lindelof to write it and they're like all right. Here's of you know like blank check like this is really good. Podcast called blank check that griffin newman. Does marie kind of talk about a lot of these movies. And you know. I'll i'll just. I'll mentioned some other movies that are similar. You know like keeping with pixar you know after andrew stanton made finding nemo and wally he they were like okay his blank. Check or his big swing. Movie was Oh my gosh. Why am i spacing on it. Andrew stanton john carter and then you know you have some like She was the first black woman to ever have. Her movie nominated for best picture with selma. And then she gets a wrinkle in time or the which hausky they are like the the the masters of this after they made their makes trilogy. All of their movies have been big swings. We've got bit you've speed racer. You've got jupiter ascending. You've got cloud alice. All three of those movies are big swings. So it's you know and it's a shame that big swings tend to lose money. The box office. I forgot i. We're kind of talking about how none of them get sepals last time the only one. I think that's ever gotten a sequel would probably be have been pacific rim so that it is just really nice to see like this money. You have this huge blank. Check it just kind of make whatever interesting big weird stuff and then you could just their hearts all in the passion. This really comes through with these movies. And tomorrowland is a prime example of that. And it's like school. It also falls victim to like what we've mentioned before with live action disney movies like pete's dragon and then Oh my gosh. Unblinking blinking on other. Who we've discussed other disney live action movies. But it's kinda like sucks. And i'm hoping that it's gonna change especially with with disney plus Disney plus like a material coming out that usually they're lie disney's live action. Movies don't tend to fare as well as their enemy movies and it it kind of falls into that mentality of you know like oh we'll there. They were there an animation studio but when you know like actually like all there's like a bunch of disney live action movies that are incredible and have incredible writing that are like bradburn is essentially the same writers as your favorite animated movie. So you know this movie is gonna be great too and like you know you you people. I'm hoping that the general public will take that leap and like be marks become more accepting of disney live action movies than like pushing them to the wayside. I completely agree. I mean i. I was just going to mention Tron legacy. I mean it's it's it's a sequel but in a big swing. But i'm not gonna say that movie has like exquisite writing but the movie is stunning like that movie. You can tell to give as much visuals not sueno. Oh yeah lake definitely. and then there's depth. Pumpkin lacy like way they're like. We want to feel like even death. Themselves are one of our favorite films strong. And they're like hell. Yeah we want to jump in and do the music for the sequel unlike that one. I mean obviously doesn't fit the criteria because it's technically a sequel to the original but like that movie like i can't even fill with the flynn's son and tron legacy. I felt like his. Characterization was kinda similar to casey in this one like in the beginning. They're both trying to light stein. Like me like a. yeah like. They're like no this. Would you know we're trying to do. And everything like stop this but yeah like that but again like the character still trying to learn more you know like flint son is like as smart as he is like if figures i had to go to the grid such etcetera like that. That's one movie. Definitely where i felt like. They put in a lot of heart an effort for for fans to come watch. I think it did fairly okay. It downright yeah. It's kind of like Along with the first chunk Fallen into that Pop culture like quit cold sakes outlined by then like that's that's the show continue show like disney's kind like if i mean you know they are one of the most You know prosperous companies in the world like they should. They should be doing this and should be supporting as it's just like it's nice to see that that disney does support creativity of these. Like you don't like people that come up and like you you you hear stories like pixar pixar animators storytellers in writers. That you know come and like the as they proved themselves they are giving more and more chances more and more chances till you get you get like. I don't wanna say wally because while he is one of the originals but you get an insight ow or you know One the creator of the short luna luna is now going to have his own movie. Because he's kind of built up built-up on top in. It's like very like it's a nice thing to see that disney is feeds that kind of creativity and insta. And i was just gonna say on the tron legacy thing. That was one of the movies. When i was like i love you know ruminating about this idea big swings i was going to include it and i kind of like didn't kind of kept up a cab. That caveat of like they can't be existing franchise because of movies like tron legacy because that movie did make a lot of money. And i was like okay like this and pirates end up making a lot of money probably because like tron legacy is a sequel to a cult classic but it does you know all the same kind of things that we like. This does but it does have that advantage of being like people grew up on tron. They they love tron like dat punk did and 'cause like like interestingly it had almost the same budget made almost the same motto. Like if you look at all the movies that are like big swings but are like part of a franchise like tron legacy or like pirates of the caribbean or like off. Man is another one they all all all of them tron legacy made the least amount of money. And if you look at all the ones that aren't sepals that are part of a film franchise pacific rim made the most money and they're pretty comparable so like the like the one. That is a sequel. Made the least that the least is about on par with the one that isn't as people that made the most. So that's why be like that. I needed to make that kind of distinction Because yeah trump would be right up there with the movie like tomorrowland. I think so. Thank you everyone for joining us on this discussion You for a. I hope that you do go and and watched marlin or spread. The word of how great tomorrowland is because it does need to come back and become and become a noticeable movie on disney plus and. Yeah it's gonna be on dizzy glenn. July i think a september near denver licensing. Hopefully this is. The last thing than dizzy will be ongoing. Remember last year. I was like we. We got disney plus. and obviously. We're trying to laurie and like we're watching. All our favorite dizzy animated films. And i was like yo. Let's fucking tomorrowland and this was like disney puts drought. Does he plus twenty nineteen right. Yeah yeah we're like tomorrow. And i would search tomorrow. Leonard it's like it'll be available. September twenty twenty one. I was like what the fuck. That's five years exactly like i was just like going to finally wants this movie. That bradford damon lindelof disney plus click. It's not gonna be on here for two years. Fuck you grace. I was like. Are you fucking towel bureau but not borrow looking at me like right now like When i went to going his yeah i did check disney plus First and then yeah. It said that. I'm like but how like how is not. This was all settled. I thought they got everything now. But no i guess he's a few stragglers. I don't even wanna ask who owns the rights currently right now but i just remember ailing. Some wind drive us. All cleansing matches. Not just for context. Our next movie was on sling as well. Which is i've never heard of slaying. But it's play fifty bucks. A man it's are you like was regular channels. It's cable for like a little. It's because i got. I had the trial for like a week. Because i was like wanting to watch football and i was like this is fucking stupid. Wonder i'd tech our cable. Like i'm not gonna lie almost every single film that we review and watch if i go because derek was a website called dot com and you can put in what you. What do you watch. They'll say the streaming services where you can watch for free or for renting or buying whatever hands fucking down like ninety nine percent of every film we wanna watch on fucking sling and then finally one day. I was like girlfriend. I was like okay. Have the watches on. Saying i was like how much it is. I'm gonna pay for it and it's like fifty five dollars a month and i was like go. Fuck yourself sling q. Everybody for joining us We have a few other podcasts. That are we have now because we're expanding So we have My my podcasts called. You've never seen where i I tell somebody you know to watch a movie that they never seen. But it's considered a movie of what's considered to be a part of pop culture or cinematic history or ones that i'm just shocked that the nursing so there's one that's coming out that i am shocked that they never seen is not really like a part of pop culture but that's be a few months. I can't remember it right now. Star wars not chain spotting is one that art of pop culture history but there is one. That's coming up where i just wanted to. I can't remember what it is but but yet there's one that's coming up. I should like yeah. I want that person to see. I can't remember what it is But anyway dare kessler somewhat similar Podcast what where he introduces somebody to Tv show with a episode of a gateway episode so to say and the podcast is called gateway episode so for mine look for the screaming woman in green And her derek's look for the white archway and but that thank you. Everybody for listening thanks. You're being amazing. It easy thanks guys. Check out. 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"Why am i socking why am i still sucking Yes trying nice I am i still eating and shore a leading gesturing things still reading a freaks. It's monday april twelfth. Twenty twenty one coming up on the program today. Sexual assault is never a good answer on a game. Show plus the unique fetish of eating joe nail clippings and stay killed pedestrian and main six year old harry potter unavailable for comment. All this coming up to the mid is miss jonah. Sitting about mr peanut. No confessions involving children have diarrhea. I didn't want to be my mouth but it was running down my eyes. The distorted view show with tennis. Back here with you. Starting a new week of programs you know i have a love. Hate relationship with steve harvey. I went through years. Refusing to watch family feud because steve harvey annoyed me so much. And i broke down. 'cause i'm an old lady and there was nothing else to watch on. Tv one days. I started watching the game show network and it's been on television ever since i have yet to change the channel. We are going on week. Seven of all game show network diet still not bored of it. I do see steve. Harvey's mustache in my sleep. Which is a little unsettling and ultimately i kinda have warmed up to him as a host. I still think the show itself is trash. it was developed to entertain the lowest common denominator. Just really low class low rent. And i realized how ridiculous this sounds talking about a game. Show like this but if you watch. The the original family feud which was on for decades right through this. What seventies eighties nineties. We all know how the game works. There's a board with like the like the top seven answers and the The producers family feud have bold random americans for their top answer to a question right so the the question and the original series is innocent and boring top five answers on the board named something you need to do. Yard work and people will be like shovel gloves. Rake lawnmower all valid answers. That's how the game is played the questions on steve. Harvey's family feud are crafted. So there's always that one answer that can be dirty or immature and steve. Harvey can mug for the camera for a bit like top five answers on the board name. Something a woman might suck on the first you know. And they'll be like some her thumb all right that's on the board a thick. Oh obstacles on the board by friends weiner. The audience erupts steve. Gets quiet has his mouth slightly open eyes bulging and he slowly walks over to the contestant would ju- on television say we you do know this is own. Tv joe pastor is going to be watching then it's like. Yeah but that's why the the question was crafted like that. The whole reason someone came up with the with the question. Let's ask america stuff. Women suck is to get that weiner to get to get someone to say. Weiner in front of steve harvey so steve harvey can mug. I know i have complained about this before. I don't care it drives me up the wall job. Seven answers on the board name. Something that comes out your rear end. Boop steve i would you come on my show looking all dressed up to family here. You me mas over here look me in the eye and say well because it's the number one fucking answer. You asked the question. I answered steve. Christ the hell else comes out of the asshole. The reason why. I bring this up today as because i've got a clip from the original family feud this is a true. What the fuck moment. I would've i would've loved to see steve harvey's reaction here now to be fair to steve. This question is a little out of the norm for the original family viewed. It's a it's a little more. Racy the is. I don't know a top seven answers on the board or something named something. That is a legal that you've thought of doing and it's not just a regular episode of family feud it's one of those special celebrity editions but the celebrities are really lame took place in the eighties and it was like the cast of lost in space. Which at that time in the eighties show is fucking off the air for decades decades since the nineteen fifties or something la the cast of lost in space versus the cast of hawaiian. I i had to look. That should up on wikipedia designer even heard of that show like a detective show that took place in hawaii again. Late fifties early sixties. It doesn't really matter who the contestants are. But here is an answer given by one of the cast members of hawaiian long will. You've never try but we have considered evil not even something illegal in evil. You've never tried but you might be open to it or you give it some thought o'kane okay notice. The audience is not whooping it up. Richard dawson's is aren't bugging out and his jaws not dropping and he's not talking to this person like You got a problem you pack in some turn out your pockets. I wanna see what you have in their o'kane a by the way number one sir marijuana slash drug raping women got a response sprung from the audience and that is the moment i wish steve harvey was on the original family. Now the actor that gave that amazing answer is ponzi ponts. He was born in hawaii. I'm guessing that's why. He was cast in hawaiian. I some authentic hawaiians in there. He was like a cab driver that was his role. Minorities always getting the shittiest roles raping women name and evil. You've kids sittard doing yourself raping women hard to hear about the The actors like. Can i try again ed over enough people with that. Ed greg show me rape not want to navigate but at the home at this moment there burning your throat wondering what the top five answers were Number one of course was marijuana slash drugs to was stealing thought about stealing something before adultery. Smoking cigarettes and alcohol several steps away. From right i guess ultimately family feud has always been a pretty fucked up. Gabe joe there are so many people spouting absolutely crazy insane. Kuku banana stuff about covid nineteen vaccine. I thought for sure one of those people would be t chase after all. He believes he can transform clouds with his mind to this cloud. I'm going to turn this cloud into a square shake cloud us quail make this world into a square shaped cloud. He's in his mind is very powerful. He can make clued disappear. Change the shape of clues. You don't wanna mess with t chase if you're made of water vapor. He can fuck you up naturally. It wouldn't surprise me. If g chased believed the kobe. Nineteen vaccine caused you to sprout a tail become half reptilian. The five g microchip in the vaccine causes your brain to fry whatever these people believe. Nothing is too weird But believe it or not t chase has taken the vaccine and believes that it's helping people. I just got to covid vaccine about two weeks ago and no side effects at all. I'm so glad i got it. I encourage you to get it. What refreshingly sane take for once from t chase just to compare what tice says normally up to some. Recent videos are entitled march twenty twenty two alien. Ufo invasion was the covid nineteen epidemic created by aliens zombies in the bible references to bigfoot and the loch ness monster in the bible. But i'm just happy t chase got the vaccine and hopefully he'll be producing clue disappear videos for a long long time to calm any last words. T chase think what's happening is the kovin is becoming the fourth assessment of the apocalypse. In the bible's book of revelation man we should acquit while we were ahead. Nuttiness is starting to seep back at. Hey speaking of the bible. I've got a clip here of a church service out a what this guy's trying to say. This is a pastor or profit jeff jensen. He believes the church as a whole is weak. The church we are so neutered we are. We are so neutered. We are so effeminate. Now that's not bad at itself but there has to be balanced the all you men sitting in the pews there. You're all sissies churches fagging everyone who's listening to me right now. You're all acting like little girls should be wearing sundresses and poured lou fake tea into tiny little teacups. Because we're having a deep party heir apparent like he's just he's very upset with the state of the church and it's like you're running the church dude. I mean come on is but there has to be balanced So neuter so told that were not necessary. We are so you know. That's not who we are the music and the Jesus wasn't a win by just want you to know he was. He was tough guy. Yeah all that forgiveness and washing people's feet talk of love and compassion. He's a regular. John wayne was a man. Yeah of how they're trying to make. Jesus fit into their narrative. Here of christian is a masculine thing. I'm sorry i'm not here to say going to. Church is a bad thing or a good thing but singing songs like ooh. That's not masculine. That's not butch reading from a little book. That's not a manly thing to do. But the church. The church the echinacea. The government of gone home has been so neutered and so turned effeminate homosexual. Just tell you straight up. I just say churches fagging guy agrees with me. and he's a pastor her just. It's ridiculous we're men. We're we're we're other men. Where's the maleness. where is the you know. I will defend children. I will protect the family. Should really be about shooting things. We need to incorporate more done action more drinking instead of an altar. Why can't we construct like a bar. Sit at pues. Israel it down the stools your order. Some drinks bartender will lay down a bowl of pretzels and a few sermons. You know my church. They all pack. I pack. You come to my house and you you you think about starting something you're dead they'll kill you now. That's a church. i would like to belong to. They'll shoot you because they'll protect ever going to protect everybody else. You try to pull something. You're dead i said. Listen guys if i'm up there preach and they're somebody comes up running. Make sure you get them. I'm just killing. No sissy ushers allow shoot them dead and this is what goes on at church now. Maybe that's why attendance is down. Astor's are kind of making it all about themselves. They're they're big personalities. Almost like they wanna be influencers. Say ridiculous things to get attention. All right let's move on. I did want to mention that d-. Mx the rapper passed away as opposed to the accountant. Who we all know and love. Now i am not really into rap. That should come as shock to most of you. I just have that look about me. You see a picture of me pointed and you say that that is a hard core rap. Fan no believe it or not but There is a connection between and distorted view. We have featured some remixes before specifically as an intro to devi we played this reading rainbow Theme song featuring amax roshan times. The sky i can go twice nego- negotiating. This was not made for a distorted view. As a matter of fact it's got like three million views on youtube. It's a great song. But as i found out apparently dea mex is remixed often. Here's a mashup between and carly rae jepsen for you to get it on your own liberty. Knock knock open up the door. Fast forward to the chorus stay awake took profits not bad at kind of works right. Here's another one. I think this one's just sort of mixed with some children's music awesome kind of like this one better than the carly. Rae jepsen one. Here's a little bit of a matchup between mexican stirs sebastian. This what's bad rest in peace de amax before we get into the news. Today is my fucking snuck. You bitch got some disgusting porn to share with you. Truth be told. We have featured snot fetish videos on the podcast before. It's not exactly new territory. There's not tons of snot worn online. Those it's not something we feature a lot but always looking for new stuff. I don't think we've ever played ear wax or toenail fetish porte specifically like guys eating that shit we start with a woman clipping her toenails and skin from her toes into her slaves mouth open. Now it's very nutritive. You're going to lose the weight for sure. You have a disgusting fat belly. We have to reduce are sharp. And i don't think your body digest that swallowing a nail or something you're going to pierce your intestine or something. You internally bleed so special diet. Eating mice can low carb carb food protein. She's loving this after she feeds him. Some toenails she asks for a q tip goes to town. Oh actually i blew my ears all you have something. I very to lean knees brown. And now you open your mouth now. Oh no yes and give me some more goal. Chunky another young lady featured in this video. I think she's Her specialty is not away or had. Yes that's it. Lick it off camman. conduit do with. Don't cry just do these. She's instructing the man to eat the snot off her fingertip. yes now. How's that taste like you like that. Need some iraq's that you lied to now yes you have clean out the dark of my fucking hoes. Yes these that all my dirty holes. You'll be cleaning. They implemented using a q. Tip by the way. She's just using her finger right to get the earwax wax and the snot. That's it don't cry. Yeah and finally. What's this yeah. Yeah this video doesn't Have a lotta great audio verbal audio but you hear a woman clipping her. Toenails over a man's open mouth. I mean i know intellectually anything can be turned into a fetish in fetishizes anything. But i never really believed that toenails. The guys could be turned on by toenail clippings chewing toenail clippings could be part of a foot fetish thing right. Oh she's really going to go into town flipping those talons good for you guys seem to really enjoy it. A world is dark. Took place freaks all right without. Let's get into the crazy bizarre. Twist time to step right out to the side joe. Dvd's member side. Are you get full access to the entire archive above. They started building early. Episodes well over four thousand shows more importantly every week. We do exclusive programs. Just for sideshow creeks last week. We did three as a matter of fact to exclusive shows and an extended program. 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There is a bit of a backlog on the normal voicemail so if you want to hop to the front of the line patriot dot com slash distorted. If you okay. Three very quick story. He's now i up. Oh lookie here we just have to have on from our most fucked up state saying with a brower. County woman is behind bars after a deadly hit and run crash in boca raton and according to belize to three year old. Natasha snake was driving. Sorry that last name is gonna come into play. Just the second according to police twenty-three-year-old natasha natasha malaysia. The was driving northbound in the area of four thousand north ocean boulevard at approximately ten twenty pm when she drove her car off the road onto a sidewalk. That's one according to an arrest report snake. If the victim who was walking south on the sidewalk e victim has been identified by authorities as sandra fowler. Steam rushed to delray medical center where she was pronounced dead. Aristide was us district court. Judge for the eastern district of new york. Acting us attorney. Oh this woman is fucked. Your ran over a judge. I bet she's gonna have a hard time even finding a lawyer that that would be willing to take her case. You going to fry bitch. Luckily eight don't worry breaks. This woman has an amazing defense lined up pulled on all right yes. Fire scene was. Us district court judge for the eastern district of new york acting. Us attorney. marc j lesko said in a tweet as we mourn her tragic death. We also remember judge. Our steen's unwavering. Commitment to justice and service to people of our district and our nation police said snipe did not stop her car after hitting power steam. It really was a hit and run situation. She continued going striking a six year. Old boy well. Now she's on a spree also ran over a boy who was crossing ocean boulevard in the crosswalk before reentering the roadway and continuing northbound. Luke she had places to be. The boy was hospitalized but authorities said on sunday that he has since been released released without legs. Those had to be amputated. He's still alive. You might just see him rolling around ocean boulevard humpty dumpty style all right. The boy was hospitalized. Authorities said on sunday that he has since been released. No word on if you know. Any of the legs had to have been amputated. I think he's okay. The news story. What a sad if a leg had lobbed off their as boca raton police officers investigated the incident. They contacted by delray beach. Police would advise that snipes vehicle had crashed in their jurisdiction. You're the intersection of southeast tenth street and sixth avenue lee said snake exited the vehicle and while being treated by first responders began screaming. She's upset this is all a big inconvenience for her. Never find the person she killed and the six year old boy she ran over all right. She got other cards. He was screaming and fighting with medics. She was shouting that she was harry potter. And there's the snap connection first of all bech if you were harry potter. The second before you hit the woman you have used your limitation charm. You wanna lifted your car. Way up in the air or lifted the woman when guardian levy. Or whatever i theory is that she's not mentally ill this woman. She's just seen one too many celebrities use their name to get out of legal trouble. She knows she's not harry potter but her last name is snap so it was worth a try. Hey you ever read those harry potter books. You ever see the movie no snake. That's me like harry. Grabbed patchy fool on. Enjoy to clemson pausing every now and then to scratch his mouth which was like some weird crab holding his one hand harry out which he buckled tightly around it as though frightened it might explode harry potter october. The large black leather against the harry pushed his inside. He needed to exercise a lot of self control not to empty his balls of. What's the tip of charlotte spraying harry. Reid's pump grinning broadly than long as he didn't leave. Spots of spunk. The sheets onto onto never know just a little bed from the lesser known harry potter book harry potter and the black leather count by. Jk rowling and cassette boy. Amazing amazing work fare. Second-story story we have for you today. Four teenage girls ranging in age from twelve to fourteen have been arrested on juvenile court charges of setting a fire that destroyed an unoccupied ferndale house earlier this month sending a police officer and a firefighter to the hospital. The twisted bitches are facing multiple charges of felony in as well as causing catastrophe which is a pretty cool charge to jail for causing a catastrophe. Trespassing and endangering another person sounds like the typical shit. Teenage girls are up to their so mean chief. John blake said the girls are accused of starting the april third. Fire in duplex using numerous aerosol sprays including bug sprays and lysol. They placed a shoebox on the couch and through pieces of paper into the box that had been sprayed with accelerates. It sounds like something teenage boys would do. Not to be sexist or anything The girls became suspects after reportedly posting a snapchat video. And that well. That sounds like a girl thing to do yes. The girls became suspects after reportedly posting a snap chat video confessing and showing off their crimes that showed the video showed themselves starting the fire. There doesn't even really need to be a trial. Just just play that video. i guess. Photographs surfaced of the girls when they returned to the scene a short time later to watch the fire and see their handiwork asked by police why they set the blaze. The girls said quote. They were bored. You know as i've mentioned before i had a My best friend growing up was a girl and while we were very close there were times when we just kind of went. Our own way spent time with other friends. I spend time with my guy friends. Yes i have guy friends. I mean joey still so fucked that tiny dick faggot. Because he kind of has acute phase which cock sucking joey by the way it should be pointed out. That joy wasn't calling this guy a faggot. The dude that joe is what we were watching a video. I guess and it was one of those humiliation videos and it was a guy who was like. Call me a tiny dick fag. Get me worship you. And joe jr said look. I would totally suck that tiny dick faggot. Got a pretty face all right. I don't want you thinking joe's hospital. Hobart i remember the The first guy that job blue in his car it was in high school he. Joey was driving around in his dad's like oldsmobile. Eighty eight or you. Some giant fucking mattress of a car had really soft fabric. Cd it was like velour or something guy that joey was blowing came all over the seat and that the comes wouldn't come out. There was like a white stain. Who was really a bad giovanna for joe his dad was what did you say that my car told you not to eat ice cream in here. Joe is like oh sorry dad. That's what it is a dairy stain. Anyway so as a teenager had you know my best friend was a girl and what the hell she was doing with the with her girlfriends they would have sleepovers and stuff and i said well what that. What do you do during sleepovers like occasionally. I would spend the night over a friend's house but we would just be like laying on the computer inc. Video games looking at four color porno images. That's a real thing i did once. My friend had a computer like an older computer which could only display c. g. a graphics now give can display what like sixteen point eight million colors or something before that computers could only display two hundred and fifty six coach and before that only sixteen colors and before that you could display sixteen colors but only four colors at a time so the and there were there were set pallets right so you could view an image with the colors white black magenta and blue. That was one pallet right or you could view the image like green brown yellow and black. I was another palette. And so you would. If you wanted to look at an image like a real picture. He easy start cycling through these set. Pallets trying to find one. That looks somewhat realistic. And it's impossible because again it's only four colors. There was another pilot where it was like yellow red black and green. I think so. I was over my friend's house and he was like my uncle. Has these discs. That are just full of like nudie images and he would load them up on the computer and it would be like they would be like they look like aliens like a human being with blue skin magenta nipples or you cycle through and make her skin green with brown nipples really bizarre anyway. again The point of this is i as i was asking my friend. Who's girl. What do you do during your little sleepover things that you have with your girlfriends and was like no you know. We've exchange make trade makeup. Watch movies with cute boys in it like jonathan brand s watching ladybugs with rodney dangerfield and playing games. Instead of truth or dare girly things. That i just feel like. Those type of activities are not in vogue anymore now on girls get together like if they want to look at cute guys their male classmates will just send him over dick. Pics probably right. I mean they all have cell phones. Well thirteen fourteen year. Old girls can find whatever it is they want. It's scary to think about but it's true. They don't need to be sharing makeup tips or trading makeup. They just watch youtube tutorials on their own so when girls get together what they've got nothing to do. They're bored out of their minds. Of course they're gonna set shit on fire. It's the same type of activities that boys do 'cause they're easily bored as well. All right and upper yoder township. Police officer was taken to the hospital for treatment of smoke inhalation and an upper yoder township firefighter was treated at the hospital for a medical issue athletes. But it had nothing to do with this fire just trying to get time off all right. The juveniles were released into the custody of their parents or guardians and their cases will be heard in cumbria juvenile court Police fire marshal an insurance. Representatives are still calculating damage estimates. It was pretty much An entire duplex that caught on fire so the restitution is going to be large chief. John blake said. I'm just thankful the injuries weren't more severe or these girls could be facing homicide. Charges hadn't tried to pinch me for murder. Charges are going to stick on harry potter bitch. Everyone's harry potter. That's like the newest defense Authorities are also looking at the four in connection with another attempted arson earlier in the day when a nearby home was broken into and a mattress set on fire. This is a gang of bad bitches. Rei final story. We have for you today. A man who decided to end his time browsing adult sites online okay so he has decided to stop masturbating in watching porn. Okay just say it. I know what you mean. Rousing adult sites are the man who decided to end his time. Browsing adult sites online has left a surprisingly touching farewell message the pornhub user who goes by the name lil j dub one explained that he had finally found love and so he no longer wanted or needed to scroll the x. rated platform give it a few months once the sex starts. Die in town who you gonna turn to your old friend pornhub. And she's gonna be right there with arms wide open waiting for you even though you're treating her poorly right now she's a she's a very forgiving mistress all right. His emotional note appeared as a comment beneath a video on the porn site but has since gone viral on social media with readers divided over a sentiment. Now what i really wanna know is what video was he watching. I don't know. I just see the comment on board hub and that comment reads boys. I am here not to watch but to announce my retirement retirement of jacking up. Visually found the one person that is right for me. she's brilliant beautiful and loyal. Every day i wake up and realize how happy she makes me the reason. I am done watching porn because it feels wrong. Almost as if. I'm cheating cute. I hope one day you guys that are reading this. Find the same thing i have and i know you will all miss me and i will miss you too little j dub signing off a screen grab of. The message was shared on twitter on monday. And since been like more than four hundred thousand times so it's news it was retreated re tweeted more than sixty eight thousand times while some have praised the move hailing little j dub as a shining example to other partners. Others argue that abstaining from porn is in unnecessary move in a relationship. One twitter user commented. I want what the girl dating this guy has. Another person wrote if only people actually had this thought process and another said wish. My boyfriend was like this. I hate that. We normalize watching porn and relationships. I have an excuse i have. I have to watch porn for my job. One critic commented. I don't know i feel like upstanding from porn and all that while in a relationship isn't a great option. It's basically saying to your partner. Okay now you're responsible for all of my sexual needs. And that's an unfair expectation to put on them while others suggested that the couples could enjoy adult content together as part of a loving relationship. One person wrote that both they and their fiancee watch porn together. And we've never been stronger. We've grown as a couple and we've learned so much about what turns each other on for instance. He likes it when i clip my toenails in his mouth. All right are there. You go that. My friends is your distorted news third monday. Let's do a couple of voicemails and get the hell out of here. There are many ways to contact the show longtime listeners. I'm sure no them all but let me just review show at distorted view dot com. That's my email address sending along links to funny news stories the audio or video. You think might be. They whatever you got sending my way. 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And i just got to say you a wonderful opportunity to drop some bad wesley. Snipes one liners in there. If you remember the any wesley. Snipes one liners cheating late nineties. murder drama murder at sixteen hundred which opens with Very overly serious. Wesley snipes thing. I've got murder. Sixteen hundred pennsylvania avenue and address to change the rules. And of course you know you can get pag that right on says that i got a murder at sixteen hundred pennsylvania avenue the address that changes all the rules a number of other great westwood. One liners like blake. Some fucking china ice skate uphill anyways. I could go on. But i think it was a missed opportunity anyway. Sorry woman get outta here Have you considered maybe making a soundboard for satchel members or subscribers I haven't done a soundboard. Because i don't know how to but if you go back. In the archives of the the patriot patron on account of my posts early on was a collection of often used sound clips. Like zip file. 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Sci-Fi Talk Live Episode 1

Sci-Fi Talk: The First Season

55:29 min | 1 year ago

Sci-Fi Talk Live Episode 1

"Pam Now another addition of Tony Tomato on Scifi talk from Lord of the Rings Type Evokes Julian Sands is a creepy man. Who is your Mazda? Had you learn someone I to Pat? Wow Hey that's great. Appreciate my guy. The Archangel Gabriel early. What is most important? Is that him forgives herself. Because as Burnham I carry a tremendous amount of built shame name is Alex Zahara Played Raven. God's Zales to iron shirt the one eyed coca code rush Omen Coca Talk Behavior National Affection. What's it like care for you both to kind of act the things that aren't there? Well you know sometimes you have that experience anyway. People at all day. Thanks in part because of the hopeful nature of genes vision but also because of its message of diversity and inclusion wrong and prosper. Everybody welcome this. Is Tony Tomato live? This is on May twenty nine. It's exactly two oh one. Pm and we are here on this. I Live edition. It's Kinda test run. The plan is to eventually have live guests on with me rather than just my voice talking here but that's hopefully down the road. Technically there's some things that will need to kind of get together and sort out before that will happen so I might bring in what I would call a ringer. One of my many friends to come on with me and And kind of join me for the podcast so we shall see well. There's a few things I want to talk about before we get into the show sort of speed and first of all is the announcement of the Zach. Snyder cut of Justice League. I mean I cannot believe all the many things that are coming out about it. Dark side the atom grieve and green lantern. I mean it's like you WanNa get psyched about it and get excited. But you don't know what you're going to see once it's all cut together. What is definitely happening is at Warner Brothers. Kicking in an extra twenty million dollars and they're going to bring back some of the actors for re-shoots released shoot Zach's vision that I'm sure Zach will direct so it's GonNa be available on. Hbo Max in Two Thousand Twenty one. Another exciting announcement that I very psyched about is star Trek. Strange new worlds and that is a series that I was hoping was going to happen and basically continuing the adventures of Captain Christopher Pike with Anson Mount in the end title row. Rebecca Romaine has number one and Ethan Peck continuing his portrayal of Mr Spock looking forward to that. I think it's going to be awesome and another another star trek show on on. Cbs ON CBS. All access so. I'm pretty psyched about that. One to the Zach Snyder cut. You don't know what to expect to be honest but it's going to be different for sure so we'll see but two things to kind of Pique. Your interest as we are all kind of shudder game these days and I I certainly hope all of you are taking care of yourselves and also your loved ones as we all kind of hunker down as they say. Chat Room is open. So if you WANNA come on in chat with me that's fine too. I don't expect a big turnout. Honestly because it's the first one I did promote this a little bit. But but you know we'll see a another thing. I found out that I want to share the Nebula awards nominations. I'm going to go through. Just one category. Which is the Ray Bradbury Nebula award for outstanding dramatic presentations? First nominee is captain. Marvel and the writers are and Bowdoin Ryan Fleck and Geneva Robertson Dwarf and of course from Marvel studios the second one is the mandatory in the episode. The child written by John Farrow for Disney. Plus a series. I covered and I happened to interview some of these folks. Good Omens hard times episode written by Neil Gaiman from Amazon studios and BBC Studios and watchmen another great series. God walks into a bar that was written by Jeff Jensen and show runner Damon Lindelof on. Hbo Avengers Endgame. Probably the best avengers movie written by Christopher Marcus Stephen mcfeely for marvel studios so what they borrowed from back to the future. Part two and Russian doll the way out. Probably the dark horse candidate and now has written by Allison Silverman excuse me and Leslie Hedlund. And that is from net flicks so Amazon's is going into the podcasting arena as well. They'll be actually be delivering them. According to Bloomberg the article says they will be put into Amazon music and also replace tune in as a default podcast experience for Lexus. Meanwhile at their audible there said to be looking at different price point to allow access to audible original shows but not to books. And you know after Joe. Rogan's megadeal not as mega but Larry King eighty-six year old former CNN. Interviewer signed a five million dollar deal for her for his first ever. Podcast two millionth question. Focusing on entertainment and celebrity look forward in mid June shows being produced by four forty and their media company. That's owned by Jeff. Feature and Larry. Son Chance so on speaker and speaker rather and we are here now. We have approximately almost seven hundred episodes of sci-fi talk available in different podcasts. That are available for you to listen. So far I've had a great experience here and I look forward to being which breaker for quite some time. What is going to happen and I will be the first to say. It is all the different podcasts are going to be part of the SF t network which is short for Fi talk and essentially all connected in one particular network. And they'll be in the fall. We'll have our. This is kind of our soft rollout in the fall. We'll have our our complete kind of Beta or big roll out of this particular Ma- network that I'm putting together. It's been a lot of fun There will be two new podcast. That are coming out. One is still under discussion because it just doesn't involve me but another one. I can't tell you about it's called Fan centric. And this is a podcast. I wanted to do that is very fan related. It's to feature people that 'cause play and not just concentrate on their you know their characters as a portray and all that but also the fact that they How they create their costumes. We'll have some of your favorite. Tv shows that have a fan base that he's huge in addition we'll have a legionnaire on here as well and my interviews with Legion and I certainly hope to have them back on a monthly basis to update us on their projects and that is under discussion with them. At the moment. They'll be fan. Projects look at conventions not just the big cons but the small conscious as well and interviews with some of your favorite journalist and even fan reviews and essentially were fan would record a review. Send it to me and I will have a special Dropbox available where they can upload the the interview after I after I after we connect and all that and essentially they've uploaded and then if I really like it we will play it on on the podcast on the fan. Centric podcast so rather than go through all the different podcasts that I have available which which would be too much. We're going to specifically look at one in particular and it's called Scifi talk the first season this goes back to the early days of my podcasting and one of the people I spoke to you on the New York. Comic CON Convention floor was Gareth. Thomas Gareth Thomas here's my. I grew up Gareth Edwards who of course directed rogue one but he did a film at the time called. Monsters and here is a little bit of my interview. We'd Gareth Edwards now will be available on sci-fi talk diversities exams the crease design. I didn't I didn't know what the how they look like when we were filming. I'd to pretend to the actively did because they don't like what the hell is this. What are we looking at and I would and I felt reassured when they make close encounters they didn't know what the The mothership looked like or anything like that. So I kind of thought while this is this. If it were calories it's GonNa explain for me and so It was the biggest thing hanging over me. Wearing post-production was What the Hell is like? How the hell am I gonNa do them and I spent all my spare time if I was ever on the phone or just waiting for the editor or just do a little sketches of creatures and I collected hundreds of them and at the end of this process. I shortly strict about one hundred forty different images I liked. I all happy with and we had the world's craziest beauty pageant where I presented them to their production company and put them all on the on these boards and we went in and I wanted them to pick one for me. Because I couldn't see the woods for the trees like which one looks cool and and they couldn't pick either and so there was one that I sort have stood out as my favorite and so But it's a cliche but the creatures evolved in the computer. It was what looks good on. Paper doesn't look good in three dimensions. And then what looks? Good in? Three dimensions doesn't a good one. It's lit the it's good when it's lead doesn't look good when he animated then Wallace. Good when he's it doesn't look good when it's in the final shaw. There's always chicken and egg constantly going back to the design. Changing the look and I kept doing this and I was supposed to be doing. Nearly two shots dates keypunch schedule and I was achieving that I've of five months. Two hundred fifty shots in the film and then I got my first shot. It took two months before did a single one of this chicken and egg situation. I was just. It just took me forever to get to that point where I was like. Okay that's great. Show that that's good and what's going to be featured is not only my one on one interviews but also roundtables and this one in particular were Chandler Riggs Young Chandler Riggs Andrew Lincoln from New York Comic Con on the walking dead and and today from the walking dead season. Three Roundtables Young Chandler Riggs Andrew Lincoln at New York comic con on chains death and that third season. The funny thing is I think of two characters. We've gone through quite of Lucia both not only separately but as father and son this past season in both speak about that especially when it was like for you to kill your first somebody new and I mean that was my first Walker kill and it was that night I listened to it. It was cold again is exactly but it was. It was I mean I I don't even know I mean I'm I'm trying to remember. It was just too for me when all my so fast. You know it was just. We've shot over and over and over again and what like sixteen degrees so like Yeah Man. I mean it was It was it was cool as cool. I mean to to be able to change into a different character to see that evolution from the kid season one. You know that doesn't do anything. Indigenous dancer cries in up to having to kill one of his one of his best friends. You know nothing that's ever. There was a rites of passage. He's he's adding you know what I mean. It's my best friend my brother and he saw you know he's seen his something has happened that night and he takes him down. I mean if ever that was you know the the. The child became the man in that moment. That and I think that that's certainly what we wanted to do. I mean that's one of the great joys of why what attracted me to the pilot in the first place it's about a man is about everybody changing. Yukon by definition of the world. That you can have it. You have to keep changing otherwise you die you have to keep adapting to this world otherwise you die and I think that it's a brutal world and so parenting in apocalypse is you know it's it's it's not the same way that we would do. You know we don't have the IPADS IPODS in any distractions. I mean I wanted to that. I seen if you've seen it no you want to see but we did lots of Ad Lib with the county I wanted. I wanted you to really realize that. This finely tuned unit. That is used to. I mean I I woke up fifteen steps and we just talked about it a lot about what had happened in the intervening months. It it gets cold. The Wolf is slow down so we get a chance to adapt into workout. How to you know to fight how to unify the to the youngest. When the convoy stops you don't even see this but this is what we did the cost. Stop in the convoy after. We've been attacked. Emily Kinney place bathrooms magnificent actress. I mean seriously mind-blowing Matches. She goes to the back of the convoy. Is Step Forward? Fifteen steps this the boy. The kid comes forward sits and I say fifteen no more and he starts counting and so the youngest are the is is. They've the best you know. Little things like that I love is that we would have done. You don't see it and I was. I was adamant I said to the editor said you've got to keep that line in fifteen more so people don't know what it is but you see that that is finely tuned out the. There's almost telepathic with each other. And they have to be to survive in this this and it's so quiet as well but I wanted the fact that time. We don't have watches anymore. Everything's being stripped away from us. That's the joy of the show. It's not about finding serums occurs and stuff. It's about everything being stripped away. And how human beings if all? That was a huge moment. When Carl killed chain and it's great to relive that of course both are off the show. Andrew Lincoln is off making his own walking dead movie and supposedly. It will not be shown in theaters as I last heard. Another thing that you'll hear on sci-fi talked the first season are red carpet interviews and let's go back in time with a time. Lord and Matt Smith when he first when he first got the rule. Here is Matt Smith at the Paley Center here in New York City great regeneration scene by the way to say thank you and the first step cut. I haven't watched the first step all. You're GONNA watch tonight. I'm going to watch what I really enjoy it but I I think what I saw speaking vampires from Venice. Yeah I saw a clip of you in that when I saw you evoking other doctors and then I saw enough of your comedic talent. Just being matt and bringing that to the doctor. That's really kind of Sisa. Thank you so much. So what's it been like for you to you? Know you're following a very popular doctor and getting into this and you're just kind of throw everything to the wind and just kind of roll with exactly. That's exactly what it is a very intelligent question a very intelligent way. That's exactly what you do because you can't think about these things too much and if you thought about it you'd never get anything done you know you'd never kiss the go on So you try your best to Biz inventive and creative as you can possibly be on on these things. Rooney as intimidating as you allow them to be a job to do and I call it anything getting away with that so I consider the pulse too much now on the look of the doctor. Did you have any info to bow? Tie Look at kind of show. Yeah Yeah always really Paul of that process points embraces and and we try to tired and I wore tweed jacket and my first edition so the first season is behind you. We haven't seen again here. But how does it feel like especially after it's all wrapped? What's your impression of it? Especially what was overwhelmingly the response in England because we didn't have how people have react reacted very favorably on a great sense of achievement. Having done the hardest thing I've ever had to do as an actor and the greatest thing that I've ever had to do So I feel very proud that we've done as a team and I I think made a magical series of TV and I. I really hope. The people of America like get into the gasoline too often. Okay well thank you very much. Same here take care of what you hear. Scifi talk the first season. The podcast is available here at Speaker and I certainly hope you subscribe to it. You can also subscribe to it at I tunes as well. And it's actually doing fairly well considering it's fairly new podcast only a few months old and the downloads happened. Good and I really appreciate that gun some response from fans of Berlin on twitter because they love the show and I have a lot of stuff covering Merlin from years past and Happy to share that with you and actually coming up I'll have Colin Morgan's interviews from humans as well so it's something else to look forward to. The chat room is open as I say again. Hopefully as we do more these more of you will get used to being there but you can literally go in. Say What's on your mind and I'll be happy to address it and give you a little bit of a forum and you know. Hopefully we'll be able to in the future. Have some of you on as well? So the beauty of this setup and this is the TechNet technical heart. I'm kind of working on is that this allows me to connect to skype and other live venues or I can have live guests. And that is the definite plan but for the first one. I just wanted to come on to tell you what I doing and to play some of the podcast that are available and also podcast. That haven't been uploaded yet or haven't been live yet. That are coming up so I wanted to do that as well. So let's let's proceed and one of the shows. Now I believe it's to episodes. Old is a snow piercer. Based on the on the movie I liked the movie a lot. It has themes of clash and and all of that and really just surviving in a apocalypse. And we're we're kind of having our own version of that these days but anyway I spoke to Alex. Parnevik who is in the series and here is part of our interview high today I have Alec Parnevik and of course we remember him from Van Helsing and now he is in a new series snow. Piercer and I'LL BE HONEST. Alex when I heard about this. It was like the movie was so good. Should they just leave it alone but watching it? I've watched three episodes so far. I really like this. Oh you watched three episodes. I didn't know that yes. Yes one of the benefits of being press. You get to the screen things ahead of time. I haven't seen anything and I'm just so excited for it and there's some people that have seen it on set and so I'm I'm the one going what you've seen it. I wanted to see it now. You've seen it. I'll be the last thing man. That's awesome yeah I do like it. I do like it a lot. I thought as I said I had my reservations. It's like really. It's like y you know recycling something but then after watching it I go. Oh I see what they've done. They've made some important changes expanded. The world and really kind of you know added more layers at a movie. Couldn't there's definitely enough material for a series to go on for years with what I've seen so far. Yeah massive ensemble right yes I like. I had an amazing moment because I've been a fan of hers. You know since day one. She's beautiful and talented and so excited to be able to work with her and I had the opportunity to working on a scene with her a few scenes but this one seems specifically. Was you know we were trying to figure out a way how we can get to one section of the train to the other and how we can actually make this happen and just the blocking of and in the technical aspects of it and what was great? That whole atmosphere is it. It lends to creativity from all the actors of just giving suggestions. Would this work. Or what if I started over here a little bit later? It's like Oh yeah that would work right or you know what we need you in the scene and to watch her troubleshoot A seen being the number being the lead on the show but troublesome shoot a scene with welcoming other suggestions but but doing it so compassionately. You know she if she thought well. That wouldn't work because of this she would still hear you out. Look you in the eyes. And then the way she explains that she's one of the most modest and kind of actors that I've met in the moment of working on on on on a scene she was just. I was blown away at her not only of professionalism but her kindness and how smart she is during those kind of moments so I was really I was. I was super impressed and thankful that I got experience that with our so yeah her her leading the train and and the massive ensemble of insanely talented actors. I'm just over the Moon West like it's pretty great. I've seen to senior. I think I saw this. You're talking about his very first scene. We see you know Alex plays Bridgman Busek and I will dance around us. But yes. There's there's something going on and he sitting in a chair and what was cool. Is He reacts to something and can and his reaction right there tells you the kind of and then his reaction to jet to Jennifer character also tells you how he is. My impression was that he looks at her. It's like yeah you you're you're from the front but you know. I'm one the guys who gets things done around here so I'll listen to what you say but this is my neighborhood quite accurate. I mean the cool thing about it for me was the breach men And there's like seven or eight of us and I'm the head of it and and we have the most we have. We're we're more rogue and a little bit more off the cuff. We kind of go to the beat of our own drummer. And but we have massive respectable. Wha- for Welford But we know that our job no one would be there if it wasn't for us and our job we're the only ones that are are are equipped enough not only to go outside of the train into the environment. But to fix whatever's wrong with the train I right of it so we know how important we are and we kind of we kinda use that little bit of muscle you know you. Could you could command me. You could tell me what to do out of rank but you know what it's almost like I I wanNA treat it like Hawkeye and and and bj From Matt. Just a little bit. You know we get what you're saying when when when stuff needs to get done we'll do it but you know we're just going to hang out so yeah. Yeah well I I can tell you. Having seen the special effects in their day are up to bar and fantastic and the set that differentiate. The different parts of the train are fantastic to what I liked about the movie and what I like about this. That they've kept is the the class system on the train and between the front and the very back obviously reflection of our society as well but it's more condensed being on this train and there's a lot of gold to be mind their stories to tell your guy's GonNa play a little bit into it as well based on where he is in a higher. That's right yeah that's that's right on point and and the idea of the classes it just makes total sense and especially in the. House that we're living in right now. It kind of dropped right into right into it. Perfectly of of how we're dealing with the world right now so it really puts a mirror up to your face to almost call you out on which which not. Only which class are you? But how do you treat other classes? What people will see also is that. There's an underground his well. That really wasn't talked about much in the movie. But there's depending on a person's job some of them kind of moonlight doing other things that you'll see and I'd that part of it too which makes sense because it's limited territory and everybody's kind of fighting for their own piece and that's a very interesting know way to attack this series. I liked that a lot. Yeah I honestly when I first started reading it because I was a fan of the of the original also and when I started reading it and and you know I was basically brought on for a few episodes And didn't really know the fate of my character and still don't which is awesome and so when I first started reading the script I was more or less thinking. This is just another job which is great. You know like I got another job super grateful but then the script and I was like. Oh my God. I'm in this. This is amazing so I was extremely happy and and thankful to get the job and to be working with these people on a script like that. And then you know as you're reading it and you read the The weather conditions. And how like? How are they going to actually do this stuff? And so while we were shooting and I was just so blown away at the way the pro even the practical special effects were done so amazingly the makeup team. The hair team everyone. Everyone's just been great. And and it's a huge ensemble like I was saying in the cool thing about the unbelievable. You get to work with some amazing people that you've seen before like Mickey Summer and Aaron Glennon Jalen Fisher is doing some great work And he he plays a young kid of David Dig and dig and San Mateo. Alison right you know a quasi and the director and Ito and been on. I can go on forever about these guys. Just next level Michael Molly who was like hilarious on the show just being around him and energy on this show the energy on the show. It's kind of next level. 'cause everyone kind of energetically helps everyone else because we were doing some long hours. And you know and you're on a train so there's really not a lot of environment happening. But what those talented people always making it. Fun and dropping in when we have to drop in Lead by example and it's just been a joy to be a part of the. I really like You mentioned and I really like her. I like her character. And I think people are gonNA really discover divide digs as well. I think has Andre. I think people are Gonna I think is going to open up a lot of doors for him because as one of the leads. He's fantastic again. It's taking a deviated from the original but it's a welcome path it's like it's becoming thing but still keeping the flavor of the original film which which. I totally do I. I totally agree and on like I say shared some scenes with Jennifer and Mickey Mike and you know DVD. And I've been a fan of defeat since day one cage. I'll just give you a little bit like I'm a huge Hamilton Fan. So when I found out what I found out he was a of this. I did fan girl a little bit because I think he's an extremely talented dude and and I love Hamilton and what he Hamilton and So when I got to share the screen with them you know I was a little bit of fingerling and there. Was this one moment where we're doing it scene together. I'm more on the outside. He just kinda throws a line at me. I don't really say anything buddy kind of direct line at me But but I do reply quickly with something he did. He did it with a tiny bit of cadence from Hamilton. The way he delivered that line sounded like in a Hamilton Song. And I froze because I was like I'm looking into the eyes of the do that did Hamilton. And he's looking at me the cadence as if I'm in Hamilton. Right now at Alex. Bondevik has talked. The entire interview is available in my regular sci-fi feed and he stars one of the stars of T. and T.'s snow piercer highly recommend. You check that out another series of just ended their first season. Motherland Ford Salem. I was lucky enough to talk to the entire cast. Pretty much the entire cast almost anyway and I got to speak to the show runner Eric Lawrence recently and yes. They've been renewed for season two and he gave me some clues as to what's coming up on season two high elliot. Great to talk to your man I've been loving to show. It's been really a breath of fresh air virus stuff. We needed something like this. It certainly like a big weird swing you know. Take your mind off of this other stuff. Absolutely welcome to Sifi talking today. Have Elliot Lawrence a driving force and creator of? I think one of the first hits of the spring motherland forks. Salem and as I was just saying boy. I'm so glad we had something like this to take this off our mind off the virus. And congratulations are in order. As they've been renewed for season number two awesome. Thank you so much We we are so excited about this new. They had the great pleasure of calling our wonderful actresses today and there were a lot of happy tears. And we're just so grateful. I'm so grateful because I get to keep playing insanely provocative located world. So I'm I'm over the moon today. Yeah actually I just. I saw on instagram. They were chatting with fans. And everybody's asking. What about season do you know? I'M I won't call myself a master world builder but I've been as careful as I can and just followed my own curiosity in terms of how everything would lay out differently and it's been so much fun and you know luckily season two we're going to get to slower some of this fishery in flash not necessarily a pure flashback like you see but a more complicated kind flashback. That I don't want to give away but we're GONNA ban some of these some of these historic conflicts that that we're GONNA learn about and we're gonNA see them firsthand and I can't wait because again. There's just so much stuff to talk about. You know I'm a little older. So I I like series to have something to say you know as his entertain and this one has a message behind it and I think those kind of messages endure a series to keep going and I think that's why you know so many people are hooking onto it because it has something to say it does and and you know it's it's not just a show about attractive young people with magic powers which there are kind of a lot of those and and sex to them and I certainly enjoyed those shows. But I think you're right and and it's another testament of reform. It's kind of a show that that you know talks about stuff like genocide and slavery and some of the greatest evils of the world but unfortunately persists to this day. So you know it is it does have sort of deep gnarly roots and it does have something to say and Let me tell you the crazy places. I'm taking and season to first of all you have to Allie. I'm excited to see that because there are. I am Rub Pool. I don't know if you've been looking online or if you're protecting yourself but there's been protecting myself okay. Good But yeah it's a whopper of finale and I'm so excited about choosing to as well. What is this series? Meant to you personally you know it was. It was a nice confirmation for me because I always have loved Scifi and fantasy. And the kind that. You're talking about the kind that has something to say like my my personal creative goddess of people like Octavia Butler and Margaret Margaret Cho. Yeah both of whom wrote in totally wrote in. Totally engaging speculative fiction and it's really about real stuff and something about that quality really hooks me and not to do it in a way. That's preachy or lesson. Like or a very special episode of I. I am first and foremost I want to be an entertainer but if it can be about big gnarly stuff. I'm so much more interested in it. Sounds like you are to get. Oh yeah yeah absolutely but I will say the word. The manner introduced that got warm side. I'll tell you so interesting. Yeah you know and this is another thing we get into and season two. It's really interesting to unpack this matriarchies. How are thing? Yeah you know. It's it's so different from our world and sometimes it's in these really subtle ways. I know there's this there's this scene where where the character Garrett Who so beautifully played by each. He says you know everybody knows. Women are stronger than men in a throwaway line and it's not meant to to have a light shone on it and it's not meant to be examined it just exists in this world them and it's it's fun to the you know. I don't want it to be too campy. I don't want it to be. I don't know if you remember a movie like Called Czar Dazs with was Sean Connery. Like you know. He's walking around in a goal Bikini. The female rulers are leading him around. At least I don't want it to be that simplistic of agenda and power flip. I wanted to be much more nuance but boy. Is it. Twenty to unpack those differences. And I'm looking forward to seeing Season Two obviously. There's not a lot of shooting going on right now. We have. We'll have to wait and see but obviously you'll have some time to craft the stories for season two for sure that's true and listen. Thank you so much for this interview. I really appreciate it. Okay Elliot Lawrence. I said it was Eric. So there's a Faux Pas my part and he is the creative force really created this series. Motherland Ford Salem. It's available on free form. You can also watch the entire season as I have on. Hulu so I would recommend it again. Some really good spring TV. That's going on the chat rooms open so come on in chat with me. If you want you know we are live It's a exactly two thirty nine. Pm in the afternoon on a Friday may twenty nine twenty. Twenty another series. And this interview is airing on Monday. The complete interview with Christopher James Baker like I like my Australian accent Australian and he plays brainwave and star girl and here is part of our interview so starting girl. I loved the retro. Feel of this show that it's you know it's like in the past of DC universe What was it like Kinda step into that aspect of it? Was it was really fun? I think that aspect of it which was very intentional. All the way through from the production design to a I think it informed. You know the whole ton of the of the show which which is unlike anything else that I've worked on finding finding the soda truest within days. Comic Book World Characters. Li I think that sort of production design side of things that the almost retro. But it's modern really helped so the sit stages of the world of it and it was. It was easy to find characters. Leaving Inbreeding meet in that because it was not to. Real World of realistic was already had had an age with was tilting towards a slightly not surreal but Definitely a a high end in in in a comic book way. I mean I don't know much about who you're playing. Can you say who your I can? Now I'm playing. And whose ALTER EGOS IS DR Henry King. He's he's Golden Age character that it hasn't seen the light of day for very long time was just immense amounts of fun to do. What was a costume? Lee Way to get the episode. Not yet no costumes fantastic. It's probably the most beautiful thing I've ever put on. There were designed to pursuit so I had sort of the regular. He's a he's a neuro scientists at the local hostile severi quiet data costumes and then the suits was was three piece. Like law cut deep Green leather leather is just amazing and just changes the way you stand move and I enjoyed putting it on so much every time I got to accept to will win instead of getting really hot in Atlanta. We're at three days. Leather tied suit starts to starts bed down on you a little bit. You know. This is a question. I actually don't ask a lot of actors because I had only a few that do this. But not quite quite share. Actually but how do you play the the both identities? Obviously you have to distinguish a little bit between the two. Yes we'll with this. I mean I haven't had to do that before I think the way I thought about it was. It was more like he was always rain. Live and then lily like superman lightning soup men and then discussing disguises Clark Kent or wise men on the neath that's sort of how perched life so he's put his glasses on and he's normal close with with a mosque and it was just dialed down version in in the story of I think when when he does put on insists he's Again and kind of step back into to being brainwave. It's freeing for. I think he enjoys being a super villain. 'cause he can do some freak exciting things and letting the series starts laugh might be quiet to start. Okay Malone Sir quite enjoying having having some good guys to to battle. There wasn't a huge. Yeah it was sort of like dialing something down on a lucky if you go kind of creating a character that seat number right and then just a down to do a number full all right and that was Christopher James Baker plane brainwave in new. Cw series star girl another spring TV. That we're enjoying so I kind of a I made. I made a a Faux Pas in kind of telling you were to go to listen to this. Live in participate. But Will you do? Is you go to spreaker dot com and at the very bottom of the page? You go by category and if you click on the live button. It shows all the podcasts center live and it shows mine and then you just click on that and that will gain you access to the chat room so for future reference. That's how you do. So that's that's cool. The Fo Pie mentioned was Christopher James. Baker interview actually went live today on Friday. The twenty ninth at midnight so he's available but one coming up is a film called proximity and that will be. Monday's interview and let's listen to a little bit of that high. In this edition of sci-fi Talk. You look at film called proximity and proximity involves a NASA JPL scientists. I met some folks from. Jpl COOL PEOPLE. He'd -ducted extraterrestrials are at's if you will and of course. Nobody believes his story. It's almost under session to him to find out what's going on in this film is Ryan Masan who plays Isaac and also we have with us the writer and director Eric. Democracy Welcome Gentlemen to sci-fi Talk Great to have you here. I love thank you thanks. How did this storm coming out? Story came about Really the the first image of it was just as idea of Somebody documenting themselves and in the background. behind them. There's a meteor falling from the sky and that was kind of just that image. Was It really intriguing to me? And as soon as that idea came just all these other ideas started flowing out. You know what happened when meteor crashes and this guy goes to try to to to look at the meteor crash and when he gets close to it he ended up giving a abducted by extraterrestrials or has an encounter extraterrestrial and then from there. That story just evolved into what it is now. Because that was kind of the initial seed idea as far as Isaac Ryan and also Eric. How did you did you both work on kind of crafting who he was and and maybe kind of plotting out his little bit? I know well the ARC in the story that was fully Eric. He wrote a really interesting guy who Has this amazing experience that you know like you said he becomes obsessed about. No one believes him. But I'm the art was all Eric Kinda tried to make them seem a little bit real. Yeah we were just like on the day I mean you know Ryan had all this stuff down and we would just Kinda let it play out and if there was any questions we talk about it like if there was any questions. Like what's the motivation for this or you know what kind of state of mind and me in but I think from from working with Ryan e e kind of he kinda got the character once he came in with it it was like just giving the character to him and making it owned and then just watching that play out as we were making the movie and it was exactly what it was supposed to be. The audition theme. Was this one. Where one of several. Where is it is trying to prove you know what he this Abduction happened And it kind of gets really intense about it and her better or worse than than that. I can kind of tap into pretty easily so kind of just intensity and there's obsession that I kept trying to call back to and really really captured. Proximity is available on demand right now for rental so check it out. It sounds interesting and as far as this will be on. My regular sci-fi talk feed and also be shown on my SF or rather sci-fi talk indie fee which is about indie films and speaking of indie films. I spoke to Jody Barton. He is a former civil rights attorney. Who became an actor and now director of film called four Jennifer which is actually a film. That's in a bit of series really ambitious for an independent. Oh that's interview has not aired yet or available yet. So let's listen to part of it with Jodie Board back in twenty twelve James Brisac And Chuck Pappas made them film called to Jennifer. Which was the first first film? Ever shot on an iphone first feature film film ended up getting some Some attention and and And it did pretty well. And then hundred. Johnson came along And made a film called to Jennifer sequel which kind of Meta equal Which is about a guy who basically is obsessed with the first and then comes back and tries to kill the people in the film. So and then frank came along and made from Jennifer. Which is the third film in the series so and then for Jennifer is the film that Kinda ties. All of the all of the timelines together. So the fourth series. Did you have pretty much autonomy in doing this film can or did you have to follow any kind of of master plan or anything like that? yeah no when James came to me about About doing the film The idea was to give me an opportunity to To write and create and put it all together Myself I had the The Great Fortune of having James and one hundred Frank All there to help them be a part of the process but the film itself was I had full autonomy with it. You mentioned hundred hundred Johnson and Frank Frank Merrill who are who are co producers along with yourself? I do like the idea of a film with NFL CONCENTRATION. And especially the lines being blurry. What what led you in in that direction for this? Well when I when James came to me with the idea The first thing I did was rewatch all of whom of course I seen him and I obviously a big part in the first But then also was brought on for the second film as well and I'd seen I've been to the premiere of now but I went back and I just kind of watched everything just to get an idea of what what what the fourth film needed to be. How would tire of it? Not necessarily tie the storylines at first. But just what? The common thread was that I could keep going with the fourth film and then when I did it and I watched them all. I found that kind of common thread. Storyline that I felt like could could work very well in a fourth mill. So that's kind of how that idea came about so another common. Thread is of course. Felicia rose who is Jennifer. And she's all the films which is kind of neat good plays Jennifer Smith. The audition factors tiffany past Jennifer ludden Jennifer Levi. It gets confusing with. We have a number of Jennifer's and Stephanie's and even Joey One of the things I try to do in the fourth film was kind of Tien some of the names and a bit of the mystical Effective what these Jennifer movies are doing to the people that were participating so how was Dominique Swain involve Dominique had worked on a project with James Trying to I'm thinking was blood craft and they'd recently finished and it was at the time when I just finished. We were just about to start up production on the film And we started talking to Dominique and she had seen the other films and express some interest. In what the project was and when we talked about it more she said you know I'd love to be involved in my thought was. Why did a fan of dumping Swain for a long time and and I thought well if there's a chance to to bring her in and get her talents involved with the movie. I want to do that so so we went back and I went back into the script and I looked to see where you know where we could bring her in. And we kind of beefed up that that part with Joey and Joey and her and him and his friends and we just kind of beef that up a little bit to give her A little bit more to do in the film. That was jody Barton talking about film four Jennifer that he directed actually has a part in it. That interview is not available yet. But you're hearing it here for the first time on my first edition sci-fi Talk Live so the plan going forward is to have a live guest. I hope to do that by the second episode. I might invite somebody that I know who is patient with the technical glitches occur so that we can get through this but the plan would be to have somebody live on each particular one and of course in the chat room you'd be able to ask them questions and and get them to respond directly to your questions so it's not just me during the interview but that is the plan going forward again. The big news is of course that we have the sci-fi Talk Network or SF t network. That'll be coming this fall and the The Fan centric. Podcast is going to be podcast in regards to fan and fandom and also includes some of the pros that you read or hear from about doing interviews with celebrities and anyone who makes John Ra- entertainment. So that is the plan going forward. I just wanted to kind of get my feet wet once again and do a live. Podcast is about a long time since I've done it but I'm glad that we did. This will be available on demand. On one hundred. This will be available on my podcast feed various fee. But it'll be on the main one. Of course for Sci fi talk and I just really want to say to to to be careful out there and please listen to the people that matter and those are doctors and medical personnel in regard to this pandemic additionally I certainly express my outrage and sadness on the murder of George Lloyd in Minneapolis. And it's a very sad situation. Unfortunately I have seen that more than a few times in my lifetime on a much lighter note. I do before I go. I do want to say that I had a birthday recently and I turned sixty five but as far as retirement. I think that's a little further down the road not quite ready for that yet. So thank you all for listening. Hopefully some of you listened live and and if not you listen to this recording until the very next live I am working on getting somebody here with me so that you're not just hearing my lovely voice for now almost fifty five minutes all right. Take care everybody. 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Lost: Down the Hatch | Season 4 Episode 4: Eggtown

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Lost: Down the Hatch | Season 4 Episode 4: Eggtown

"Kate i'm so glad you're back. Missed just so much. Does he keep more from the tv. Absolutely i just put him down for now. me Six point zero is over but we have to go back down the hatches. The loss rewatch podcast. Here on post show recap stock in the season four episode for eg aac down town the only episode of loss that. Emily fox is allergic to here. We are asari emily. The don't know if that's true. I think that there may be other episodes that she would have an origin reaction to but certainly to eg town egg town here in season for one of the strangest episode titles in all lost flat out saying the test. Worst the by har the worst you might with things like we talked about tricia. Tanaka is dead last week. Is the economists said. These are oddball choices. This is a flat out. Trash bag episode title. A great description on the official wikipedia entry. Four egg town season four episode four. I'll read it quickly. The word egg town is not directly referenced in the episode resulting in an speculation and confusion according to lindelof cuse it has been the most questioned title of the show. Jeff jensen of entertainment weekly suggested that the title was a reference to the ancient cosmic egg concept for the chicken or the eg causality dilemma. While john cubic of buddy tv guest shots and the children's book and film called the easter egg adventure which depicts roosters attempting to steal easter eggs from the animals of a place called egg town or that. It was an allusion to the great depression slang term which was used in the nineteen thirties when describing a bad deal lindelof and cuse confirmed that the episode was primarily named as such because locke fries eggs for ben's breakfast and secondarily because the story deals cates possible pregnancy. Which is so trashy like. I hate the double entendre of oh locked makes eggs and then we're doing with k. Possibly having a baby then you know what you call it over easy. That's what you do comb accuse okay all it over easy wall and just i also actually haven't really done this before what these titles were in other languages because egg town is not a town. In other language versions of lost in french the episode title loosely translates to enemy mothers And latin america. The title translates to the trial. Which of course brings horrible stranger in strange land call backs yes. I'm very quickly right now. Just running through every single episode of loss is what i am doing as i am saying these words. I'm scrolling through all the way through season three at this point. I'm trying mike to just quickly scan is worse episode title then egg ten. I'm now through. I now through season five. I know that some people like to bag on some like it hot. But i think that's cute. Cute hof There's maybe one or two candidates in season six. Or i guess there's however many candidates there are in season six but i don't think any of them quite compete with accent. I think A rebel town worst episode title in las district. Yeah i would say it might earn. The silver medal is ironically enough. Another episode in what kate does but that also has tie into previous episode so it automatically wins. I don't this aspect of it. I don't think so. I don't i don't think i don't think it comes close. Yeah in fact just again. Like i don't love dr lioness's always been one. That has made me annoyed on care for dr linus as an episode title but Egg town is the worst but it also has one of the more memorable twist endings in Certainly in season four of lost if not all of lost is what we just listened to this revelation that kate and aaron are two of the other members of the oceanic six. We are in new about kate. But off the island and kate who there some tension as to whether or not. She is pregnant in this episode. She comes to you know. Find out that she's not but she's been talking in the flash forward about how she has a child and we come to find out that that child is indeed turnip head. Which i think if you'd called this episode turnip town mike. Perhaps that would have spoiled the reveal literally very memorable very memorable twist. This sleepy little air in being in the future is so cute. Maybe i have a little blond boy a mile and but like seeing this. I don't know it just warmed my heart so so much and i think the prophecy that was put out there in season one episode ten has finally come to fruition. Indeed aaron littleton has been raised by another yes. It would certainly appear that way in so on one hand. You should be happy. That aaron is safely off. The island desmond was right about something. Evidently and that aaron is being raised by somebody that we care about somebody that we mostly trust but then you should also be nervous about the fact that oh god. Wasn't he not supposed to be raised by anyone else in. Oh god what to claire. These are sort of the big questions that come from. The aaron reveal we said when we talked about the economist. Mike that maybe town was an episode. That was going to be helped out in terms of its final score by the scale of the ending the quality of the ending for me. I think that that was absolutely the case. Because i i love i love the ending. I think it's a great reveal. I feel like there is a much better version of this episode. That did not come to light. Not even necessarily something that you could cobbled together in the edit. I believe i think something is lost in translation in the writing where i feel like doing the trial episode for kate is just not spectacularly exciting. And i feel like this should have been much more moment than it was played for cape finally having to reckon with what she did it. Just it's a little soft for me. It just doesn't really amount to a ton. There's some structural things where like the whole thing is going to be building towards this big reveal at the end that there's that her child is aaron. Then the the. It's i think it's the second act that ends with cape being. I'm letting you bring in my son like that should be the end of the first act like there's just like some structural stuff all along. The way that i think is a little weird about egg town. Yeah and i think it. It's a kate episode. And i actually think there are a lot of tenants that carry across a kate episodes even across the forest season so far in that kate herself is spoiler alert. Not going to be an mvp in her own episode because it often shows that the stuff that she does on ireland in particular in her own centric episodes is not great. You could understand the reasons why she's doing so either she gets caught or something goes wrong or she does something bad. So that's the case. We are unfortunately going back to the kate sawyer. Well which. I always found really awkward when we nca three on such a strong note of jack telling kate that he loves her and sawyer. Really pushing himself away. From kate and towards juliet found it a bit of a really regretful. Reversion to go back to kate and sawyer genn in season for especially given how we know the end of things like do. We really need to do this again. I don't feel like we find out anything new about these characters. This felt like were just repeating the same beats over and over again. We are continuing the storyline of lock falling apart with his leadership. I also wonder. Does this episode not benefit from its placement in the season because season four episode. Three we end but this beautiful epic shop. We talked about it last week. Just how gargantuan it was that jarara and anyone in general was finally leaving the island. No others coming by to take the boy or anything. He's getting off this island. And then we get this monolith of an episode. That is the constant but in between the meet in the middle of this sandwich decorated a two beautiful pieces of artisanal. Bread is some week goal deli. meat turkey. That is the form of egg town. I wonder josh shirts chicken. That's been freshly murdered because oh yeah. Well that's delivers bullshit. Eggs which i'll talk bent fresh fresh with blood as long sands. I do wonder now. I don't know if there is a tear point in edit where you can take the events of a town and put them in somewhere else. But i wonder if you take these events and you put them after the constant so it's just a direct segue we'd go from the chopper taking off into them flying into the thunderhead and then everything going awry and we save all of this for after that. Beautiful epic episode. Does it help things a little bit. I agree with him that the writing would not necessarily increase its weight substantially. But i do think especially watching it at the time. The episode was certainly not helped by the fact that that epic cliffhanger last time the the ending of this episode was literally the only thing to write home about at the time. That's that's the only thing people were talking about outside of that it really was a bit of same old same old on island. Here's a here's a pitch for you. Mike here. What i think might might have been interesting is it. Is it more interesting this episode if we are able to lean on some of what we know about the oceanic six so we know jack is back we know hurley is back at this point. We know saieed is off the island. Is there a way that members of the oceanic six could could be together. They're enjoying some sort of like welcome home party. Something like that where you get all of them here in sort of the same vein as we're gonna see it in the season. Finale i believe is like the party party for hurley. Yeah no. Because i think that is the son reveal. No not necessarily. Because she's not you know she would be in korea. Five of the oceanic six. You have something like that or even. If it's just like jack and kate having dinner or something like that but like some version of showing how how famous they are we here in this episode that. Kate has one of the most famous faces in america. The octo mom of two thousand and seven. We know that the oceanic six are crazy famous at this point is their version of this. I guess like the short version of what i'm asking is their version of this. A little bit more of a thriller a little bit more of a like. She is going to be like you know. Kate is is free and then suddenly she not like suddenly the past comes to haunt her like does it all have to be courtroom drama. Is there not a better way to package this. I no no. I actually like the way that this is done. Because the theme of this episode. I actually really enjoy. Because it's this idea of here's a character who literally every other flashback. Josh has been about kate. Moving somewhere kate. On the ron kick constantly need to be on the run and now we finally fricken stay somewhere with kate austen and i actually really liked that. I liked the tension that builds as well. There's a claustrophobia. That i feel like in that courtroom especially as kate herself as sort of weighing the choices of okay. Do i go along with this lie. Do i continue doing this or do i use this as the ability to come to terms with my own actions both on and off island. I think there's a really interesting digestion. There and i really don't mind the opportunity to stay in the courtroom. I just feel like there could have been a better way to write it. I i like remaining in one location. Not being so sprawling because we've seen kp sprawling before. I'm fine having early and cited in these other characters. Be a bit more sprawling because we don't really see them globe trot- as much as it does. This is a change of pace for kate austen. I enjoyed that. Yeah all right well. Let's let's dig into the episode. Let's crack some eggs key. Makes good eggs is so close. They they call an episode egg. We meet the egg man next episode. You could have waited for your egging. Deuce titles please. He is the man. So let's dig in. Let's chew on some eggs egg By steve williams written by elizabeth sarnoff in gregory nations originally aired february twenty first two thousand eight centers on kate. It's a flash forward. We begin not with kate. And this is the first fun fact of only three episodes in the show ever to open on an eye. Were the. I is not from the character. That is the focus of the flashbacks. Flash fell words that often suggests to me. Mike some discombobulation in the episode. The other two are excess portland which obviously had a lot to do and abba chair. Now i can't remember. Who's iot is an avatar. No but it is not a richard but yeah it's clear that maybe from the beginning that there some odd focus things going on because we open on the eye of john locke it should also be noted speaking maybe some discombobulation. This is written by elizabeth. Sarnoff as you mentioned who is a veteran writer but also a newbie loss writer. They're of going on patrol together. Here gregory nations. This is his debut as lost writer. He's gonna panic two more episodes. We've actually mentioned both of them over. The course of this podcast. He's the team from the jump though this but this is his first time putting pen to paper and i feel like that. Maybe is a different role entirely. He will write some white at hof and abair no as well. But this is gregory. Nations official debut as a lost writer in particular. Yeah he's he's been He's he's been with the show for for a minute. If i'm if i'm not mistaken but it is a different skill set. I don't know if it's those are the feet that i would lay this. This is a lot going on with ten. That's a little strange. This choice of starting with lock has like big adrift energy for me. Do you know what i mean like. It's just kind of feels like like it. Was this episode designed fully as kate episode kind of oregon adrift energy again. Like we end. Re- end a man of science man of faith on such a huge note of desmond holding captive and jack recognizes savings. And now we're going to the middle of the ocean leaves the island and now lock is making breakfast. And what i can assume was ben's house right. I'm assuming not every other house has a hospital bed in it. Yeah you get the sense that he's waking up in ben's house he's living in ben's house they think insult to injury he wakes up in the hospital bed he goes in. He makes breakfast nice plate of eggs and melon And those those eggs my I wouldn't really. It's it's interesting you wouldn't think it. My wife is allergic to eggs. The great emily fox cannot eat eggs And yet she raised chickens Early in her life for the for the first half for life and she knows a good egg from a bad. And this would go down. The shaft with faruk assault mike to yell. Very very yellow yolks unhealthy eggs. An unhealthy chicken laid these eggs So No no wonder that john locke is going to go ahead and kill this chicken later on in the episode makes all the sense in the world to me. That's interesting so what's does that imply that what i'm assuming i mean. I don't think chickens would be natural to the island that i know how much they would thrive in tropical environments anyway. Do you think the others were just doing a bad job farming. Is that seat that we have us on onto. I think we throw this at mikhail oath. Should i give a retroactive. Lv point to mikhail for mis miss raising chickens kind of want to. Yeah he's the dumb idiot when it comes to both believing bed and farming techniques anyway Eat the just could be healthier. So he's making breakfast for ben and the first part of the episode is sort of just like this slow crawl through the minutia of making for ben and that apparently this episode is named after. This moment is so weird. Do you think the kirk. Carlton cuse and damon lindelof for some into the script. They didn't have much time. They're working other things bread like the first two pages and said okay town. Great removing on. That's the next thing we have to get to you just call. It doesn't matter what the other forty minutes of the episode are. Look sometimes this is what happens right like sometimes you get busy you got to move on with your life. You just gotta say yes. Let's go egg town fine. If that's what's that would ultimately be my review of egged on fine healthier the yolks. It'd be utterly less yellow could be healthier but certainly could be worse and a big part of why. I think that this episode for me is rescued from the from the twos spoiler alert over time with with these recaps. Now i'm giving this one. A three flat three is where. I'm standing with it right now. Keep mining suspense then to just have something. That people are waiting until the inauguration breath you get to choose or you could tell them now. And i'm not gonna listen to ten. That's fine. no no no. I want them to listen to you are solely sticking around for my rightly rating. You're just gonna have to wade through our talk about this episode saving until the very very end. I you can keep it a secret one of the things. that's keeping this from being a flat out to In the two point nine category is both the ending which is great. I love the ending. And then this episode also has some really great benjamin linus content and it begins here with a fairly classic. John locke and benjamin linus seen. That really really gets me going and a couple of other good scenes in this episode that i think elevated from being just middle of the pack for me. So let's listen in. John lewis gonna feed benjamin linus and breakfast. The last two weeks from my own bookshelf help you. Pass the time already read. It might catch something. You missed the second time around. Why did you move me from the rec room. Down here. wanted the under my own roof. Where are you keeping your other prisoner. Miles is it or you. Don't want to share hoping you'd share ben seeing as you claim to have a spy on his ship i feel for your john. I really do you keep hitting dead ends. You couldn't find the cabin. You can't make contact with. Jacob your so desperate to figure out what to do next year even asking me for how so here. We are just like old times. Except i'm locked in a different and you're more lost than ever. Were i know what you're trying to do. I'm going to work excellent john. You're evolving breakfast. I'll admit josh aside from the ending. I think this is my favorite scene in the episode. Yeah another bad look for. John locke who like done this exact thing before then literally says this is exactly like season two. When you've also served me something. I got on your head and you smashed a bunch of stuff in anger in response. I like this because this would frustrate me of like. Oh we're just doing this again. But what i like about it is like ben is the one who gets the meta game here in lock doesn't like it helps to stress benz points a about. How like here. We are again doing the same exact thing. Except you're more loss than ever and it's punctuated by the fact that john does something so regressive as to throw You know the plates around in front of on. Yeah so. I think that that that works really well for me. The other thing that works really well for me is just like the continents. And benjamin linus here. This is a guy who is a prisoner. But you know he's been a prisoner before and the last time. He both had a tumor and a skewer wound from being wounded collarbone. So yeah. He's gotten his face bashed in multiple times but all things considered it could be worse and at least he's in his own house so maybe he's a little more comfortable. Yeah i really liked the same because like you said it emphasizes this idea that everything old is new again that lock at this point things. Things are different right. He says you're under my roof. He has now taken literal. Propriety of dharma ville. He's taken the dictator position of his group. Piecing i'm speaking on behalf of the island. I m jacob. I am the new benjamin linus the alpha the omega. I am the person that you go to. Ben is serving as a reminder here of no no yeah just john locke just john llanview you think you know the directions but you're no idea and it's great because here's another call back to white rabbit when locked tells jack remember a leader can't lead if he doesn't know where he's going and that's a stark reminder to lock in this moment of yeah. I think i know where i'm going. But that is becoming abundantly clear. That i don't and therefore what kind of leader am i think it's a great way to symbolize like you said we've done this dance before but at this point locked doesn't think that dance. He's entered tango pose. Thicky that he's doing poss- oh blake and he's realizing very quickly lampien. I've got no idea. He's got two left feet no matter what i should also notice that the book that locke gives ben that he's right before i'm going to justify butter much like the chicken vallis of ally s philip k. Dick there's a lot of actual comparisons between vallis loss especially when it comes to actually what we're about to experience in the next episode in both discussed the possible human ability to quote unquote mentally travel through time. Despite the the person's body still physically being there you're doing it mentally and also there's the a big plot point that revolves around a purple laser which we will see a sinister next episode when daniel faraday uses it in his own experiments so this could have been a nice little book drop for bookworm to really get to see what kookiness and weirdness is going to emerge in the constant alright. So i love that scene happy about that. Then we're sort of in you know season four. Has this really fun vibe. Where sometimes people just sit down and drink coffee together before they start getting shot at i. Guess but right. Now it's a coffee date between came. Claire that sawyer is trying to to ruin and sawyer even lampshades. Just how odd this is right. Got a small taste of civility in season. Two with the hatch but that was still under ground right. There were still a menacing aspect to this. They're in a bungalow right now essentially. It's a weird weird mood even at this point and it also released sets up nicely. Though from transitional perspective the fact that six people will get to leave the six and be treated to more modern proclivities despite the fact that we are far from the wild sawyer. Say back in season one. This is still an odd transition point where people are starting to physically and mentally remove themselves from being on the island even so much as going in for coffee. Yeah and keep really doesn't want anything to do with it. She's not going to move in with the stories. Like i'll kick out hugo if that's what it takes doesn't want that she's not here because she's spying for jack but she's not gonna explain why she's here because she doesn't trust sawyers trust is already broken here. Sawyer is gonna really call it on the relationship with his actions later on But it's already pretty pretty pretty smashed in this in this point in time because it's about the pregnancy right in case like just go home so she doesn't want anything to do with them right now. Yeah she'll have a lot to do with them later on and i'll admit as a big fan. I enjoyed their dynamic and season. Three as i mentioned before. I just find this episode frustrating to go back to this especially because again we got such big sawyer growth throughout season three. I don't need to necessarily relitigate this especially all that pregnancy stuff you know. I had imagined with the idea of clementine in the back of his head. He approaches all this stuff a bit differently. Maybe that leads to the more belligerent aspects. Of the way he does things but it doesn't make it more enjoyable to watch. I don't know i'm not a big fan of sawyer in this. Yeah there's a few things about that. I really like in this episode. I think that there are a couple of moments. Where like i guess. I just think that i really like about sawyer. Is the way that he is able to navigate a lock and do it without locked detecting that sawyer was in on any like. That's just sort of like some classics sawyer con. Yes he's spice lawyer right now. He's doing this sort of benjamin bergen in the middle part of survivor. Thirty five of oem playing the the inside man who is helping out the outsiders but the main guy doesn't know it but i think he does a good job with it and so i on like a competency level. I'm impressed that he does a big. That are not great so that probably ultimately puts in the loss column for me the lost column. Let's let's finally move forward into the future. Lash the episode. And it's kate with her lawyer dunkin. Who is played by character. Actor shawn doyle who you have seen in something. I promise you whether it was the expanse twenty four or big love. You seen this guy sean. Doyle gets around sean. Doyle makes his way onto lost by playing dunkin. The attorney who Let me just say does a bang-up job on this trial guide dunkin. Yeah i mean listen fighting a losing battle. What kate did was indeed what she did. She's being tried for all these things between murder between vacating the law many times between being involved in a bank robbery between doing all these types of things. Now look i will say this episode takes a hit. I don't necessarily need legal experts to have to write for this show but if you look at loss pedia. There is a laundry list of things as to why this kangaroo court makes absolutely no sense in reality. One of the big ones that i picked up on is if you look at the locations again. Kate is known for globetrotting. She killed wayne in iowa right. She also did the whole unfortunate bank robbery in albuquerque down in the south west. But she's being tried for all this in california law. I'm no in toenail massaro. I don't think that's how this works. Maybe they felt like okay. We have kate in under capture here in california. Let's try her everything here. But i feel like we have learned so much about states. Laws being autonomous. That doesn't necessarily feel like it makes a lot of sense. But that being said i will say kate is rocking the look here in the modern day. She's she's wearing like a nice white dress. Interestingly enough if you look at the wardrobe it really tells you all you need to know about the way. Kate feels about herself as the trial goes on. Because she's coming in here for her initial hearing she's decked out in all white but as the trial moves into the second day and beyond she's in black which more so represents i think how she feels like she's discrediting herself their self loathing. It's more idea of. I deserve this. I don't want any more lying. And so i think even looking at the way. Kate dresses herself. Even though probably being encouraged by dunkin this is a way of maybe unintentionally telling everyone. This is the way i i was told to feel. And this is the way i actually feel. Now i think it's just really impressive that dunk in you know. Say what you will about sort of like the legal mechanics of this episode in terms of how it holds up to real wasn't just like studying the universe of the show. I think it's really impressive to me. That that duncan went into defense work after he could have carved his way forward in the toy industry. Thanks to his father's work at dunkin's toy chest city that dunkin decided to disavow his his family fortune. And go off. You know to fight for fight for the people do you think. He gave kate a turtledove. Kate if you hold onto this turtle dove you'll always remember me. Said duncan lied. Assumed actually that he was more so dealing with food based legalese considering his family line lies in doughnuts and coffee and other australian. No that's dunkin. Oh sorry. I often get mixed awkwardly. Dunkin love starbucks so is a little a little odd. He really has a huge fit to throw. Whenever he's like i've had with enough crawler lawsuits. Okay dunkin time don't get on the toy. Duncan the air. The dunkin's toy chest empire But no he decided instead he would pursue the law. So he's here. He's talking her through it. He walks through the front entrance. 'paparazzi not gonna do a wanda razzi right now. It is episode for though it's true there you go but it's weird because maybe this is to your point larger about how maybe this episode could be rewritten as we really are so internalized with the trial that we really don't know much about the perception of the oceanic six. I'm still a little confused as to why there is this not only the paparazzi but an angry mob. There seems to be a rather irascible bearded man. Who's just yelling at. Kate is that you know you're a criminal. You're a murderer. I don't care what you did on the island. You deserve to be tried. It's just it's a weird reaction as to what we're supposed to assume. The public believes about kate austen at this moment. She's super famous. We have to recognize that Kate austen is one of the most famous people in if not the world mike at least america that kate austen has one of the most famous basis. America's what we come to find out when she's finally here on trial for fraud arson assault on a federal officer assault with a deadly weapon. Grand larceny grand theft auto and murder in the first degree. And there's no argument of like. Oh she she's got to go to jail right now. She's a flight risk. Going to run away risk in more ways than one this. This judge really has a finger on the pulse. I think just looking at kate up and down and being like yeah. I got a feeling you're good or run so you're going to stay put we're gonna put you in handcuffs and finally what. Kate has been escaping for so long. Her worst nightmare has come true. At least for now she's going to spend some time behind bars. Yeah and like duncan saying she's at one of the most famous bases in america. She's not a flight risk. She's not gonna go anywhere. trust me. i've got one of the most famous faces in america to i am the heir to the dunkin's toy chest empire and you you wouldn't see me running away. Couldn't run away from the space anymore than kate could. Do you think if the oceanic for so famous. What do you think. The chances are that dr jack sheppard becomes one of people's sexiest man. Alive high thousand. Four two thousand five or two civilians like did sully on the shortlist in two thousand and ten for sixers made alive. She should have been if they didn't put sully on that list. Oh my god. What a mistake. They throw kate in jail. Meanwhile at the beach jin says the word albuquerque and then he says these are the places he wants to move when they rescued. I thought he was just a big weird al fan and eleven minutes song. Believe it or not josh. Four episodes in there the first words that jiuquan has spoken in season four. Yeah they're really holding them back from us right now and i think because of that because we're not going to see a lot of him next week either. I don't think we're going to see any of him And because i know that we are going to reach the end of the line on jin and sun being in the same scenes together basically for the rest of the show with a couple of exceptions pretty soon. I get a feeling that i am going to enjoy. Ge on more this time than i ever have you will. This is also a little bit of a nugget being dropped at least. Maybe this is convincing myself saturday but actually both this and the other woman right because jane is deciding places live. I thought it was initially just another english lesson but now it turns out that he wants to find the city in america to live in when they come back but son vocalized to him that she wants to raise my baby at home in korea. He corrects her. Our baby speaking towards. Hey we're not particularly done with that whole jay le- story line that's gonna come up and the other woman and we got some quantum stuff coming up a few episodes from now and hearing her. Say i want to raise my baby at home and korea knowing the ending of jeon just breaks my heart all over again. I'm very excitedly sad to get to that episode josh. So we see jack juliette back. This is charlotte. Not sure little here and here. No he goes. And this is dan jared basis And i bet daniels. I actually prefer dan. You prefer speak to ferret as memory problems. The shore of the name the better call him d. by the end of this. It's much easier for him to remember. Actually jack i'd preferred if you call me little things. Can you call me big. T- could you call me Yes charlotte. Dan and helicopters already taken the boat. So we're looking into this already. This is great. we're already networking we're interfacing. We're getting rescue arranged in bertie but are are. We can't remember the literally. I don't mean to be honest. i'm really not sure. I actually don't know so. Then there's also worse kate yeah. She stayed with lock jackson dwelling on it too much. He's not maybe maybe he's not totally surprised. Yeah they just they lampshade last episode right. Of course this is. This is i bet. He does feel maybe a little miffed that he does declare his love for her and then she she leaves particularly to to go after sawyer who he made mention of a last episode. But i think he's got bigger fish to fry. We don't see him. Ruminating that much on kate at least in this episode. Hopefully he's got some fish to fry. We haven't seen gin and a few episodes. You'd like to think that he's been providing so fish fry for the first night that dan in charlotte are on the beach would only be apt. Yeah exactly nice. Fish fry in a nice Game of cards or at least they're just gonna take three and go off in their little corner All right so back at the barracks. Kate comes to lock. Lock has blood on his hands. This is the thing you could always say about. John locke but right now its literal. He killed a chicken. Luckily offscreen how would you imagine. Do you think he would do the old survivor. Method of like manually breaking its neck. Do you think he would just chop off the head and let it run around flapping. Which is what i what. I don't want to spend too much time on it. I have to imagine he did it. Efficiently efficient deficient slaying of chicken for dinner. So he's killed a chicken. He's got blood on his hands. Kate wants to talk to miles and locks us. Yeah no It's just why. And he says well look. I think that You must mr misunderstand the circumstances you find yourself in your not here at this is not a democracy and cases so it's dictatorship and locks as well. It was a dictator ship. I would've just shot you and gone about the rest of day or better. Get thrown a knife in your back. It really is comparable to me to divorce that appearance and the differences in which a kid spends weekends at each other's house. Jack is he's the cool dad right. Hey let's have every well. Everyone gets a say in something. I may have a louder voice and others. Were all going to try to work together. And then you go to mommy lock. Mommy looks like yeah. I hope you like chicken. Because that's all you're having tonight dinners at six bed times at eight could night. He yeah i don't i don't get it like lock is lock is losing me a little bit this season last. Been losing me a little bit. I mean i love the character. I love everything represents but the some of the day to day grind with john locke has little tough for me. My it's interesting. Because ultimately he is right but the way he's going about it is wrong which is really really fun to talk about. But the way he's going about this and now in this darville stuff is actually very comparable to some of his much beleaguered flashbacks. The way he's going about this. I wonder josh. Is he trying to reinvigorate that feeling of the commune that he was on back. Further instructions of family. Dinner of okay. I'm going to try to make this group of people because he wants found a family there when he had done. That probably got blown up now. He's saying okay. I knew that was allusion before. But i can make this a reality. Yeah i think maybe that's part of why some of this isn't working so great for me because it's just so reminiscent of that stuff not that it's like out of character in fact it turns out that it's very in character. This is learned experience and this was probably that was probably the happiest. We've ever seen him until it got really bad. Yeah bar but actually i would say maybe the maybe the beginning of mocking when he's working in the toy store might be the happiest. We've seen always that dunkin's chest where he was working served in the background. I was like that guy is going places. Anyone is confused. Duncan's toy justice from to london new york. We're just making an elaborate running joke about dunkin's toy chest because it forgotten dunkin's toy chest and there's character in this episode Dunkin do you think when kate was in the limo going to the going to support pizza herself dunkin. Maybe it's like a sort of like the roll. Yeah i think that's probably it For sure i mean there is a little bit of like a wet bandits sticky. Bandit operation that goes on in this episode and a little bit. So we'll get there. So there is the burgh lady exactly. Yes the par avion lady. Kate sees hurley with a plate of food and she suspects that it's going to miles so she interrupts and says are you taking this two miles. And he said yeah and she goes. Oh well lock told me to do it. He still in the rec room. Ryan has no. He's at the boathouse. Kate no poker face. Cates like hurley. You scooby doo bee. Yeah a bad. Look for hurley. The episode after he's able to duplicate inci. Kate immediately gets him back just so assisting recharged his powers. Yet you know he hadn't he hadn't charged back up so she's able to scooby. Doo him. she's scooby dude at hurley. Scooby dude we didn't use just a line that needs to be used more often. I totally agree and hurley's got the van. He's got the mystery machine. Let's not going home till the frozen dokey. Well we've got some work to do. Let's go. Let's go to like a spooky place here josh. Because apparently the others have a boat house they do. We've seen like the aerial view of The barracks before not the aerial. That sucks we've seen the view. And i don't know where you would did a boat house. I guess what loss pedia was. Trying to map out is that it would be near the dock where the sub is supposed to go. But that. But i don't feel like that garner's the need for a boat house. A boat house usually to me is know you're at a park. And all these things to keep your various aquatic gear. If it's mainly been used for subs not swan boats or rowboats or anything like that like like sandwiches. You're saying yeah maybe yeah. Maybe there's there's a subway of community style and the cut the commissary dharma. Are we pretty clearly at a place where we recorded two loss podcasts. In a row like day to day like that. We're talking about duncan's toy chest and subway sandwiches. I mean you're the one that's doing that. Let's just be clear here. You're the one that's up. Subway sandwiches also did try to did. Try to episode called over easy. So i'm guessing you also like john locke and be blood on your is my regard such cockamamie idea. What are they keeping in there besides a place to keep someone when you need to keep a sketchy subject tied up a good point you scooby dude me says her. We just kills me. He's gotta be like nervous because he's scared of lock. Lock is geez. Lack is she scooby. Dooby come on her early. I can't believe he's done screwed up early. Sorry a chicken. I'm going to give you some chicken. Hurley i'm not gonna give you got scooby doo my early. Oh i just want to watch xanadu. I just watch their to do so. She's going to go to the boat house with the food. Here's miles tied up to the floor. they're just gonna like really just like cut through the here. She wants something from miles. She wants to know everything that they know about her. Like what are you guys. So like Let me ask you something what he when you know about me And miles. Like i'll tell you i'll tell you everything i know about you but i need something i need one minute of someone's time and this is mike. The beginning of some fairly poor negotiations on miles part. i believe. well it's also it's it's really bad looks on everyone's part more than one minute come on voyage at least at least three. They've lost parlance right at least three minutes you when kate but kate why she's not seeing. Maybe she's trying to scooby doo miles as well when she says who. Who do you need this. One minute and miles very smart ashley responds with. Who do you think. Who do you think kate. Who do you think that miles who has been hired to find. Benjamin linus who do you think you might wanna talk to who you think. That's gonna be the miles. We talked about this last episode. He brings up a good point and that essentially sites deal despite the time. now he's tied up as opposed to being loosey goosey with jack before he's where he wants to be he's that much closer to getting in contact with benjamin linus his intended target. So he's actually a site from a bit of risk chasing a pretty good place right now to make a very interesting i just. I don't know what his plan is. But whatever we'll get into it so that's what he says. I want a minute of this person's time we'll get there to second we flash forward again. Kate has spent some time in prison at this point as she is. Reuniting with duncan And duncan is going to tell kate that The that kate. Your mom is going to be the star witness against you. You told her everything yet did so we're pretty screwed unless we could make this about character So we should put him on the stand. Him triple underlined bold tau is saying. Hey if you haven't watched the looking glass recently. Remember that mysterious him. That was benjamin jacket. Cates he's coming back. The another interesting part of this is. Kate is offered a deal. He's offering a compromise situation. Hey you do some time behind bars. I think they said like fifteen you do seven. And she refuses. I think it's a. It's a fun dichotomy. In this moment where the previous scene cates offered a deal and she takes it here. She's offered a deal and denies it. And we talked about this in a larger scale with characters like jack insight but it's fun little moments. We'll see how different these characters are on island than off. Yes so she doesn't want him anywhere near the trial and dungs like come on. Let's do it and she goes. No you are not using my son and then this is like a very big deal that this is happening here. I eight somehow became the parent of sun. Quan fight son. Probably being older than kate maybe k. I dunno displaced mr paik as the leader paik industries and became sons daddy as a result. Yes clean clean daddy kate. I don't know how that were k. But she she's saying. I don't want you to use my son and i just i. I don't know why this didn't come earlier in the episode. I think the framework is supposed to be like the big reveal about aaron which is just so powerful that it works regardless of this stuff like this is supposed to come in earlier. I say this is a perfect cut to opening title saying the much bigger reveal i would say maybe if we do a little bit of swapping things around if we open with this stuff and maybe saved the lock ben stuff for a little bit later that might be a way to help the episode maybe but anyway So we're just starting to tease that out a little bit. Meanwhile back at the beach. Jack's trying to make a call. I'm going to make a call. He's trying to use the phone really working for whatever reason. No one is picking up the phone son decides like. I should probably talk to jack. It's been a minute. Hey jack just a question. Is it possible that those people who are currently eating cereal in our kitchen are trying to kill us just like once upon a time when we reading cereal in the kitchen and looking really sketchy ourselves. Basically the lesson of the day jack is. Don't eat cereal in the kitchen because people are going to be real sketched out by that because it possible baby that that these people were trying to murder us in that lock was right jackson. Toji dare don't start with. That is not right. I love that. Jackson says lock does not doing and son pokes in my saying yeah. Kate is with him. She did leave your leadership to go to his. So you might be tough thing for me to fight back against support for this. Podcast comes from progressive. Saving money on your car. Insurance is easy with progressive. It's an average savings of seven hundred ninety six dollars for customers who switch and save in fact. 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The result is a sedan that looks as aggressive as it feels the lexus es all in on the sports sedan learn more at lexus. Dot com slash s. All right so we hit back up with kate and when we pick back up with key. We're also picking up with claire. And here's the scene. That i quite like picking up. Aaron been in his basement so research take last night was ever go out now. He's been cooking all day. He brought us all over for dinner. Aaron phony just pick him up and roku I'm just not very good with babies. Wouldn't want to get more upset here. I got a cancer got so good with him to last thing i ever thought i'd be good ads being among you know. You should try it sometime. So josh i really loved that scene as well with one big accepts. We'll get into you but let me pipe in some. Jim fell stuff because if you listen to the music underscoring the clothes hanging seen that to snatch a music. That's only used three times in the series. The first time is when claire is just sort of standing by the shore. I think in makina the second time is this but probably most pertinently. The third time is in the very last episode. When claire gives birth and kate wakes up. Wow yeah this is. I think like a moment. This is a really important moment for for talking about. Motherhood witnessed the mother of kate's child. You know this is not quite a passing of the torch in this moment But this is kate being around aaron in in a in a context that she's going to become very familiar with in due time right like. This is going to be coming our way pretty soon that kate is going to leave the island and so as aaron and she is going to take on the responsibility of raising this child who she's been with since the very beginning of his life. I really liked the way. It reflects on claire and this is a an evolution for me. I think i used to be really upset with the fact that the show didn't give claire like any. The show didn't like let clare grieve charity much at all that she kind of like moves on from that very very quickly and i think still that like the bigger issue is the show. Doesn't give claire enough to do. They don't know what to do with her after she's had her baby and she's lost her boyfriend to be completely frank. Yeah i think goes lupita. I think that the show just like doesn't do enough with claire. Doesn't try hard enough with claire. But taking what we do get from claire. I really loved her in this episode of white soul. Much has happened to her. She's been through so much adversity She's had start- her her journey of parenthood here on the island with a bunch of strangers as our support system when she was intending to give the baby away and so she had to accept that she was going to be. This child's mother She had to accept that she was going to have to lean on all these strangers. And then this person who was like her closest support system is now dead and she is still in the face of all of this able to to like grind this as as hard outstanding outstandingly admirable behavior. Yeah so. I have a lot of respect for claire. Anri watching this episode. I think that the way that claire Is is handling everything right now. Even though the that i just wish that they've done so much more of the character what we're getting here at least the problems that are used to have about her. Not spending any time thinking about charlie and really have that problem. Yeah it's just really fun moments. I think emily davin is trying to make a meal out of them but she's being given crumbs at this point as we talked about. I think i forget when we talked about this. But i do think it's sad that we don't have a season four episode. Focus on claire. Maybe it would have been in the cards. Had the writers strike not happened. But these small moments i do enjoy. I feel like this. This also has a little bit of a sting to it as well considering that it's a nice reminder about how clarin. Kate have been pretty close buddies on the island. Ever since claire you know read cates horoscope. Essentially they went on maternity leave voyage together but things are going to turn when. Kate comes back to the island in season. Six and claire believes that her best friend stole her baby. You know that that is a deep deep betrayal and so while as you say it's a great ringing forward to the fact that this is the child that's going to raise in clair's absence. It also reminds us that this is the person that claire is going to hate for such a large portion of time and ultimately the person that's going to convince claire to leave the island. I will say my one sticking point with scene is that i think they're a little too heavy handed with how uncomfortable. Kate is being a mother right now. Just simple aspect of her saying ooh. I don't know if i can hold aaron. I don't feel to good with babies. Like i don't know why she feels suddenly squidgy about that. Considering that to your point she was there. When claire gave birth to erin you would assume that she probably has helped clare in some aspects with aaron. I don't necessarily think it's realistic that for this. Now after all this time cates still like okay. I know what helped have come into the world. But ooh baby. I don't want to touch the baby. Yeah yeah i i don't know it's just. I wish that this episode was like i don't know maybe a little more about what it was about. Does that make sense. I mean i would have loved. If this episode became less focused on kate and sawyer and more focused on kate. And claire. I get one simple substitution. I guess one reason in favor of it being about Kate and sawyer to the degree that it is is i think like the does the reveal at the end landed the same way if you don't think that maybe that's That that aaron ultimately that cates child is sawyers child. Yeah i don't know i've never. I never personally thought that. Kate was pregnant. Because it never made sense to me why we would have this entire son pregnancy thing and then also a cape pregnancy thing. That would feel completely redundant to me. I would never understand why they would make two characters purposely pregnant at the same time unless they want to create some sort of drama out of that. So i felt like if you had to have a pregnant character it was first claire then it gets displaced onto son. I don't think we need to add kate in there. A sort of a third ingredient right All right well. Let's go back to the future one more time and block. God yeah all right. So we're getting into some some some the heart of the trial mike as dr jack takes the stat- on fire me. We got killed in the opening i had to do. This was the defense witness. We do your honor. The defense calls. Dr jack sheppard stan your honor. I'd like to renew my objection to this witness on the basis of relevance to renew my overruling of your objection. You went to be aware that this witness need to defendant until after the alleged crime she's being charged with is to be viewed as eric. Do with this. Please raise your right hand. Do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you got yes shepherd. Please tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury there any of you. Who don't read newspapers or the internet or wants television. How you method on. September twenty second two thousand four. Kate miss austin and i were both passengers on oceanic flight. Eight fifteen which crash landed on an island in the south pacific. Were you aware that. Austin was a fugitive transported by the united states marshal on that flight the los angeles trial. I did learn that eventually from the us. marshall no. the marshall died in the crash never spoke to him. Miss austen told me she was guilty. Never what's says like a reasonable question. Why not. I just assumed that there have been some kind of mistake. And why would you think that uh only eight of us survived the crash. We landed in the water. I was hurt pretty badly. In fact if it weren't for her would have never made it to shore took care of me to care of all of us she. She gave us first aid water food shelter. She tried to save the other thing. Does not austin. Please sit down nothing to do with anything. This is my trial. And i don't want him to say anything else. Spine no more quest syndrome. Your words. That was very moving show. I only have one question for you. Do you love the defendant. Objection will open this door mr forster. I'm going to allow it to shepherd. Do you love me. I no not. Anymore i is there all is he's lying stand. He's such a liar. Why are you lying. Pants are engulfed in flames. The time he's on this danjaq cannot stop lying. He got the taste of lying and he couldn't stop. He said there's going to be an episode next season called the lie. And i wanna. I wanna i wanna to get there. I wanna lie so this is this is our first little glimpse of the press conference that we're going to get to in. There's no place like home. I think this is our first real mention of the line. Not even the lie but sort of the narrative that the oceanic decided to put together on. Penny's boat actually pennies. 'bout as to. What they said happened to them. Yeah so there's like. And i think that's why like obviously the flash forward music is what it is and often is being played in these moments but i just love that sort of like that uncanny valley quality to the theme because they think it fits really well because jack is taking the stand and this is not a guy who bullshit sperry often. So that he is. He's taking the stand and lying up and down about the the account of how this went down based on everything we saw is just like i don't know it's very surreal. It's very unsettling this is a really good seen as well. Yeah i really. It's a really interesting scene for jack. And for kate right because like you said jack is someone who would not do this. I mean maybe he might show not show his cards here and there but he is not someone to do the sawyer route of just lying up and down the river but i think part of that is also informed by. He gets called by dunkin and says. You need to do this to protect kate. And despite his saying anything but on the stand he very much does love her. And so we'll say anything. Including i would imagine really painting her as the hero the mvp if you will of their time stranded on that island that he hopes that will help get her off the stand but in an interesting move kate objects to this. She pulls the role of the lawyer and essentially interrupted. She looks sick. And i think evangeline lilly a really interesting job and these flash of her physical ization of everything catching up to her. Because this is a moment that kate has always feared right. She's constantly been running 'cause she's always feared being caught and now that this reality is bannon testing itself. It's coming about in the oddest ways. And i can imagine from this perspective. She is sort of done with the lies specifically. She probably doesn't want to drag anyone else down with her into this web of lies that she is just strung up for so many years of her life up to this point. I think the moment where kate interrupts. Jack's testimony is probably the most interesting part of this entire scene. Because you would imagine that. Kate who she herself has created many narratives for herself. She wouldn't stop one that painted her in a very favorable light. But it's clear here. She's ready to turn over a new leaf. Yeah i think like the the the way in which it it washes on. I have a lot of props to give to. Evangeline lilly and like kate in this mode moving forward is there's there's a lot that i really like about the character And a lot of it comes from evangeline lilly specifically and her performance and i think that the way that that's happened in this scene and just like you're saying like the slow rise up of her being like stop is very very very powerful. It's torturous to her in this moment and that's really really interesting. That the the idea of her being lied about and being favourite upon when she doesn't deserve so in her opinion sickens her. And i agree. I think kate post island. We talked about this last week. Has one of the best arc's from a character perspective. Because i in cape finds strength here whereas on island riemann seeing this episode when there are moments were kate has strength and has a cool head about her. There is still a part of her. That gets back in bed with sawyer or or does something with jack and it feels like kate is using the opportunity off to sort of cut. Those ties move forward with quote unquote her son. And become a new person entirely. And that's a really really cool piece of that character. Story totally agree completely agreed Back in the island we're at sawyers house. Hurley wants to do. We wanna watch xanadu or satan's doom. It's always a livia newton. John singing elo in seen it so frigging chintzy but great olympian. John is a greek goddess. Sent down to earth and to disguise herself as a mortal. She is like a roller skating. Malibu barbie straight out of the eighty s. It's got a fantastic soundtrack by elo. Electric light orchestra. I absolutely love it. It's a guilty pleasure. Give it give me that over. Satan's doom anytime. I'm totally team hurley. Here even though. I think sawyer is team no movie. I'm reading please. Yeah he loves to read. I love that even with movies now. Back on the menu sawyers like man. But i've been reading at least a book every week. I don't want tv to interrupt this incredible streak that have and sawyer is reading the invention of morale by adolfo. buick saris apparently. The story is about a fugitive who hides on an island in the south pacific and later in that book. Apparently he encounters some people who appear and disappear at random points in time and they don't really exist so essentially stories reading the novelization of what que did very good kate shows up a hurley takes a hike and sawyer and cater to share a glass of your finest dhamma boxed wine big like freshman year of college energy here senior year terminating taste early twenties you if i was still drinking if there is a box wine night. I'd be pretty psyched about. I'm sure purpose is to get a knee. Breeded tastes not be does the job in a big way in profound way. You think company made the boxes for the dharma box wine. Oh maybe that makes sense you know. And they sent it back in time into the past. Yeah or maybe exactly it's like or or the initial version of that company hurley. Found that company right. 'cause there's gonna end up owning it one day correct and says okay. We're going to supply all the boxes for the dharma supply dropped and that's why they still last through decades later mike. This is very smart very very very good idea here Especially because john locke all right early throw the boxes into the portal hurley. Go end up block. And so this is when Sawyers like all right. So what do you want and nothing's come on. You want nothing kate. What the bill. We literally had this conversation in season. Three kate and so she was like all right. I want you to do something to me. for me i can do both. I could do both both of those things. But it was a great. A great line was like listen. If you wanna use me for something tell me. So she goes. I wanna use you for something. I just love that line. I think it's great all right. So we cut to lock. Sow sawyer brings backgammon over and this is another merit for john locke where like. He's he's in charge of everything right now mike in all that we've seen him do. This whole day is make breakfast break breakfast. Threatened to shoot kate with a gun and go about his day moods which killed a chicken which includes going about his day includes eventually having enough free time to play board games with sawyer. So what is this guy doing. Well he doesn't know that's the thing i think he probably is trying to come across like he has a grand plan and right now they are waiting for what comes next breaking for jacob to send the next message but he just biding his time at this point and in terms of timing. Claire mentioned that clip before that they're going to have the big family dinner. I'm assuming is this. After the dinner knife has fallen by the time that this whole breakout occurs. Yeah maybe maybe. I'm not sure exactly on the timing. I was also wondering like. Did kate spend the night the other night. How many nights did she spent here. I i guess. I don't know i guess get to. Because i would imagine that she i would imagine the whole morning. Coffee seem took place the day after the events of the economist. I don't think it would make sense for to say i'm staying behind. And then say ooh clear. Let's get coffee like she made all those arrangements. Over the course of a few hours. I would imagine that a day path but then again the jacket them come back and they say oh. Yeah you know. Cited and desmond made it that the chopper still has only been a few hours after. They took off in the helicopter. Yeah could be. i mean. There's all sorts of time travel shenanigans. That are that are causing all sorts of problems. Whatever sort comes over is like you got got this whole problem with kate. Don't really know what's going on. What's going on lock is a sucker for sawyer and this is after a lock had conned sawyer maybe sawyer in this moment is like i have no problem cutting it back in may be kill your father and not that it wasn't cathartic but come on you could have been upfront about. Let me also say actually speaking of that. I didn't notice this but lost pedia pointed out. Apparently ben is being held in the same room. That anthony cooper was being held in which. I find very interesting and symbolic with what john john locke feels about. Benjamin linus in this. I think it's pretty compelling so cates trying to get miles and been in room together in the school. What are waiting for. We gotta stop this. We gotta figure this out so they go on the run. But oh miles is free from the boathouse. Yes there. I find it interesting. That case plan. Okay let's let. Let's get ben to get miles to ben rather than vice versa. Maybe she felt that it was easier to break into the boathouse. Then could break into the basement. Soon as no one's giving much of a shit about miles other than to feed him every once in a while. Whereas benjamin linus this is public enemy number one for everyone so that probably does make sense. It's sorta the you know the reverse engineering of this plot and it works. They get out of there. And sawyer variously. Oh my god. I can't believe they're not here in. Locked doesn't take any time really studied that funny kate miles break in the locks house. Go down into the basement. Keach shoot salak. She fires a gun in here. That's not exactly subtle. Well i think a lot threatened to shooter beforehand. So why not revenge. Very fair and so miles. N ben come face-to-face. Listen go about some privacy fifty five seconds. You know who i am for. You know. he's put a lot of time and energy into finding you. So now i found. You can tell me exactly where you are. I can lie and tell them you already. Dad could willing to do that for three point. Two million dollars branches meetings a you could blackmail me extortion. If you wanna get tech three point two one point three three point four but me think i have access to that kind of money. Do not treat me like one of them. Like i don't know who you are and what you can do your friend. Charlotte has seen me. She knows i'm alive. I'll take care of charlotte. You just worry about getting you the money you have two days. My present situation is a little bit restricted. can that be amended. One week in cash runs out leaving. Hi you got you meaning. I want my answer your name when you call the frieder. Of course we know about you and everybody else in the eight. Fifteen minutes asking. Name is catherine an austin. You wanted for murder fraud. Arson of stuff can't remember fugitive austrailia and the federal bring you back. We know kind were you. I'd stay right here. And the knows maybe survived the crash who would have thought that miles and dr evil both have a problem with low balling offers. Yeah to three point. Two hundred sir. Yeah this has. This has always been weird this entire idea. I mean i guess billion yeah. It's what three show makes fun of it. The fun of it right. And i think some like it. Hot right. where bram abducts him and he's like. Hey charlie says oh well you're paying me twice when moore's offer which is three point two million dollars to clearly. He just has this figure stuck in his head. Faraday style right whatever. I had no interest in this at the time. Sometimes i don't know sometimes lost does this and it's like catnip for me And then other times loss does this i. It really doesn't appeal to me at all. And so it's hard for me to find the line. Sometimes between when. I'm enjoying loss like being mysterious mysteries sake. And when i find that to be a little bit repellent i find the three point two million dollar mystery of it all and like generating a mystery around. Why does miles needs specifically that number has guy on a boat energy for me. Yeah well. I think it's also because it's a new character right. So it's it's a it's a mystery. That isn't exactly revolving around anything. The lack of payoff also doesn't help that. This is essentially a question without answer. The only thing i can really think of is just maybe miles had this number and his head of like a number that represents him going away for the rest of his life and not dealing with any of business but also at the same time getting more out of him. Why three point two million dollars. That is such a low amount of money and it's just it's so ridiculous. I guess the the loan like ben like speaking for us though being why not three point. Three or three point four as exhausted by this offer as anyone else. I do love how. Kurt benny's though super uncharacteristically so in talking with miles because we know ben is verbose but miles asked you know who i am. Yes for yes. He knows who he works for. Obviously so he's not going to reveal any information at this moment until miles has clearly different purpose. I guess one of the benefits of this scene is that it really does show that it highlights miles personality and while he is so different from it. His polar opposite and daniel faraday in that daniel is so concerned with the weird interesting stuff going on at the island in the michigan hand whereas miles is trying to get some greediness out of all this but again as we said very sawyer light even gets a sawyer moment here pushes him up against the wall and he says that's hot again. It's very much repeating those same beats except we're not necessarily following through on those beats the way we do with sawyer right. Yeah i think like we. You know i think biles ends up becoming like You know like a great friend of sawyers does miles have enough of emotional arc on his own. I think is something that will weigh in as we as we go deeper into the show. But for now he's he's been recaptured and cates in trouble as well and kate now knows what they know the answer to that is they know everything so she leaves the island. They know it all. They know the full story. She's going to have to confront a little while later. Clair's there she's with kate. Unlock shows up. Wants to be alone. Wants to know everything that went down between miles and ben. Kay basically tells him everything you know wasn't militias stuff. She really just wanted to get the information. That you know Lock wasn't letting her get from miles but that's not good enough for lock lock. Wants her gone yet. You're not welcome here more and so in an episode. That is all about kate trying to find a home. We see her in the present getting kicked out of one and we see her in the future forcibly welcoming herself into one. And i mean this also shows i think locks disciplinary skills. He's going to talk about that. This is much with miles but this is sort of a wake up. Call no more chicken killing backgammon playing lock. Now i've got to be someone that lays down the law because these kids are shirt off and start abducting people if not watching closely enough. Yeah So he's gonna kick her out. Of course you can't kick you out. And also i should say that kate. It doesn't matter if it's nighttime a baby is most likely sleeping. Blast patsy kline while you're in the living room that's bad rooming ending it from my point of view. Is that better or worse than the fact that she shot. Ooh axed. that's another bad one. That was not an immediate vicinity of the baby right. There's a chance like light. Clare says he was born in tucson. he can sleep. There were a lot. But don't just put on your tunes and kick back while there's a child getting some much needed sleep in the other perhaps perhaps So he's gonna kick her out eventually. I already started down this path. Even though there's a little out of sequence sawyer is gonna tell cake. Don't leave locks gonna be fine. He can't banish you. I'm on banishing you. I'll keep you safe. Kissy kissy phase will get back into what's going on with them in the morning. Let splash into the future. A reunion might bloom between kate and her mother or out seeing took another few minutes privacy. I don't even need to talk to her. Kid be outside katherine. Was it true what he said. Mature here to talk to me because mom the last time i tried to talk to you when you got sick when i risked my life to see you scream for help and called. The police. don't want to fight with you. why are you here Changed but i thought you would. Doctors had given me six months to live for the last four years ago. I don't know how came here to tell you. Wanted to testify against i. I wanna see my grants. You came here to make a deal. I don't want you anywhere near. We're finished to. This is a tough seem. But i love the scene. It's so talk me through. Why i think it's i don't wanna say it's realistic but it's one of those rare scenes where you can see. Were both of the characters are coming from now. Look i have been very hard on diane johnson before in her previous episodes as to what she did with k. Particularly you know. When she came back and the relationship she was in with wayne. And i do think though there is legitimacy to this idea of like when the finality of death appears in your life it really does make you question your relationship with that person regrets you may have. I'm sure that we have all had experiences. Where maybe we you know fell apart in terms of relationships with somebody that was close in our lives whether a friend or a family member and then that person happens to pass away and your mind goes through not only the good times you had together as well as the bat but it does make you think you know. I should have taken the time to smooth things over with them. I should have taken the time to apologize to to say what i had to say because now there's all this unfinished business when that business opens back up i think you take you take that opportunity and so i do. Think diane's change of heart. I personally think it's legitimate. I very much see a world where in when she thinks that. Kate is dead for this portion of time that she really comes to terms with what. Kate did why she did it. And then on top of that. The not only kate back but kate has a grandson. That also is a huge thing as well. Because let's add on top of that the fact that diane is dying and has been dying so there's a ticking clock right now and a chance that if she does not make good with her daughter. There's a chance that she may never see her again. And she may never see her only grandchild again and that is something big for a person and so i. I do think this is a really great way to conclude the diane. Because i do believe this is the last time that we ever see her on the show. Because despite all the things she may have done to portray kate due to. I think her own love or otherwise in the past i think in this moment she she comes back to kate. I think sincerely but on the other side of things. I can understand case belligerence as well considering how crush was that her own mother. The person she was doing this all four. That started her down. This trial that center on the run. She was the one to sell her out. That is unforgivable in cates world. And so she went. Diane does this. Kate does not respond warmly. She does not respond with a sense of gratitude. She just respond by saying then. Don't do it. And then when diane meant invokes the grandson's name i think that unfortunately supplanted idea of kate's head of okay. She has another motivation here and so then. Kate goes down the trail love. Oh no no no no forget all this. I don't care if you testify against if this is just get to get to us to get somebody else. I don't care. And so i actually really do feel both sides going on here despite the relationship that they may have. You believe that. Diane had this come to jesus moment and is now trying to make good sincerely with her daughter to see her possibly one last time. But i also believe that. Kate felt immensely understandably betrayed and miffed. At what diane did before and believes that she may have ulterior motives When diane diane authentically on testifying against kate and was she authentically holding the let me see my grandson threat over. Kate's head to drop it. I don't know i don't i percents. That is important to me in the analysis. 'cause like that's manipulative. I yeah but. I don't know if if it really is like i'll do it if you let me see my grandson. I do wonder if she was approached to testify against k. But she never had the intention of actually doing it and maybe she would have taken the stand and instead talked all about kate as a person or something and she would have testified but not necessarily in the vein of what the prosecution was intending to do and then maybe just the way that things were going she then decides in that moment okay. It's better if i just don't testify in general. I mean she ends up not going through with it at the other day. Despite cape withholding erin from her right. Yeah i mean. I think like i'm an. I'm inclined to give her some room here that she does do the right thing. She ultimately back down and without her. There's no real case against kate anymore or at least enough that the prosecution wants to come to an agreement because the lone person that she admitted everything to will not say that she admitted it so there really is no case there for at least from this perspective. Granted there were still things like the bank robbery that they could try her for that. I guess they choose not to because of this deal it. They get to write my question. I guess is like how much of that is that. Diane sort of like backed down of her own volition because she had sort of this realization that she shouldn't be doing this to her daughter versus when she comes to see kate again. And has this conversation. That cates. The one who i kind of reads her fulfills. And it was like if you're going to not like don't do this because it's the right thing to do. Don't don't step away from this. Because you're trying to take advantage of me and your your grandchild. It's a little bit complicated for me. In in discerning how that all shakes out But i either either way she ultimately does do the right thing and i think for me like it matters the most that she does the right thing. It doesn't absolve of some of the worst things. But also i have been of the mind like dianne has had a really hard life very emotionally whiplashed and abused and beyond just emotionally abused. I think there's a lot there with this character. That has been pretty tough. I think as well what you were sort of describing for them indication. That doesn't feel like diane to me. That feels more like susan. Lloyd you know that that she would do that type of stuff. Diane johnson i think is more so emotionally shooting from the hip. Like you've said before. And maybe some of that i find more indefensible in. The past was riding out kate because of her love for wayne. I don't think she's necessary a character that is capable of trying to broker this deal with that just feels like out of character for diana and so i am inclined to believe that she does come from a place of sincerity but i would love to hear people's perspectives about it as well because again. This is the last time we see the character. This is saying goodbye to someone. Who is seminal indicates. Life's i'm sure people have a lot of thoughts about it. Totally absolutely alright. So that goes down. Then we go. Who's not going down sawyer. But get to that a little bit well. We talked about that already. So we'll get back to sawyer in a moment first at the beach the memory tests with daniel and he's struggling to remember the cards two to three it's progress and then they get like confronted by jack joy you. Why is the boat not talking to us. What's going on where our friends jails blacks. I'll call it. Called regina was so. I'm all confused about this. So they have an emergency line. That's different from the line at eight one. Five has been using regina picks that up a she just like the hotline operator when they called regina before were they using the regular liner. The emergency line. Yeah I get the the regina phone regina's on the regina phone. She's got her own special number. Okay so so it just so happened that every time. They've called regina. It's just been on the regina line. There's been cousy line and regina line and everyone uses the regina line if they can help it if they can help it and so they call regina and they're like so where's everyone know The people frank the scottish dude and the guy who's hair in the future is going to be luscious leave beautiful as an assassin. And they're like no one's here. I thought the helicopter was with you and so everyone is something. Like jack is very angry worth noting i feel like you're already starting to see signs of appendicitis on jack. I feel he's to become. I think a little more slowly starting to look a little haggard. Exactly a little more wearied. I would say but i think the adrenaline is still pushing for. But yeah i think. Exhaustion is starting to settle in on jack more than anything but that will very clearly manifest itself in his his his gut. By the end of this whole yes. So that's what's up there. Everyone's very upset about that. We'll get into that With constant In the meantime a thing happens at the boathouse more listen. I don't know what you think you're doing. You're wasting your mouth open your mouth wide all talk down. I realized that. When i tied you up in here the other day i made the mistake of failing to introduce myself. My name is john. Locke i'm responsible for the wellbeing of this island eventually miles. You're going to tell me who you are. And you're going to tell me about the people on the boat and you're gonna tell me why you're so interested in been in the meantime you're going to keep your mouth shut include. I learned something yesterday. No use having rules. If there's no punishment formation find by down on the tritter joy breakfast would you rather eat to eggs mellon or a grenade for breakfast. Have you ever seen the robert loggia commercial of for minute maid. Orange tangerine robert loggia shows up to this kid. Who's eating breakfast but he won't eat breakfast and his mom is trying to convince him to eat breakfast but the can't do it so robert loggia magically appears and the cape goes robert loggia and robert. Loggia goes timmy. Your mother's right new minute maid. Orange tangerine tastes great skies. Much calcium has milk and the kids. You say so robert loggia and then robert loggia says. Enjoy your breakfast. So i said. Enjoy your breakfast for many years now because they meema fight. That robert loggia commercial. And i howled today when i watched john locke say that because i had forgotten that he says that so. That's something that i've been saying for a long time that i did not realize also had a common threads with my favorite tv show. Of all time. I always think of robert loggia when i think of this. I don't think john locke. Is it really realistic. Part of that commercial. That kid can recognize robert loggia by robert lows. Robert loggia. what are you. Your mother's right so i i love. The scene is bad as it's hilarious. It's ridiculous but like the technicals right like this dude's head is going to blow up for sure. Miles is gonna get his jaws aac dudes not going to be able to keep a grenade in his mouth for longer than two minutes. Most so what happens. He leaves the room and then he comes back. Mazas kidding vials is a moth there. God why maybe. I do wonder though if that actually has a live grenade or just trying to. That's another thing so so there's a couple of things that are wrong. with this tactically. He either has put a live grenade in miles his mouth and he sticks around long enough to monologue. What is miles. Could not keep that beefy grenade between his teeth for longer than ten seconds. Maybe even five. You couldn't exactly blame him. I think we would probably be pretty hard to bite. Grenade for a second let alone as long as he's telling him to do it so he could have blown himself up but he has uber faith in the island i guess like then like when he leaves how is he going to expect miles to drop that grenades so soon. So then grenades. The grenades glove and biles is going to blow up. So that's bad but if it's not a live grenade and miles eventually drops the grenade. What is he bought from miles now. Miles knows that his threats are meaningless. Well i think maybe he can then say next time. It won't be a fake grenade. Say hey look at the power. I hold over you at this point because i agree if i'm miles as much as i am i value my life. Three point two million dollars. I spit that thing right back. John locke can we blow both of us up. Maybe benjamin lines hopefully in the vicinity so i get everything done at once. It's an interesting tactic. it's very. John locke right and that it is literally ham handed. It is him just brutally forcing his way into making a very dictatorial rule enforcing move. I do find it interesting that he says my name is john locke. I'm responsible for the well being of this island if there was a theme to this episode. Josh i would actually say guardianship in that. There's the idea of escaping the guardian to erin or kate perhaps being a guardian of her own fate as well as lock believing. He's not only the guardian of the island but also of these people as well. They're dealing with that in various ways sawyer dealing with the possibility of him being his own garden into multiple children at this point. But yeah this is where we were going to leave things specifically from the lock perspective. He he thinks he's got his groove back but this is far from further instructions in that regard. Yes so i mean it's funny. It's simply a great season very cathartic right. Like someone's gonna shut up for four episodes up to this point. I'm not bad at it. I just have questions. I guess about the process of you answered questions aren't so there's that. And then we get to kate and sawyer who are in bed together and this is the breakup seeing mike. So let's listen to what i say right. You still thank. You might be pregnant pregnant. Are you sure yeah sure. What have been the worst thing in the world. Yes here's the worst thing in the world. What would we have done with the babe back to the beach. What you're leaving because of this. That's that you crawl up in my bed. One second teams. Don't make this about me kate. You didn't want a baby anymore. You're just looking for someone excuse to split. Now you've got that's all right for kossi ain't gonna hold it against you just to sit right here. My comfy bed. Because in about a week you'll find some reason to get pissed at jack bounce right back to me. And that's going to be the last time they see each other until the helicopter right more pretty close to it pretty close to it. I think the groups are going to mingle together once more once we get to really the end of this series and everyone goes off on their separate ways but this is their last time to have like a real moment together before the helicopter and things are going to go to quickly and i find that meaningful and that. I think this does feel a sort of bow. A curtain call for skate. And maybe just a microcosm of why it didn't work out at least in this moment where they're clearly. I think in in separate positions at this point thinking about separate things have this. This is a tough scene for sawyer especially look we. We know what he's been through and and like we talked about four. He knows that he is just being used for. Many things also serve play toy in a love triangle. Quadrangle at this point. But dude don't when when a woman refuses sex that you don't be like all right that's because you still might be pregnant right. It's just it's a bad look. It's a bad bad luck. And then he keeps digging in on the subject not really paying attention to i think the reaction that she's giving it's just an ultimate testament to why the show ultimately went with jack and kate. I think it really underlines. How kenyans are fundamentally important to each other in the overall story. But i think they're not necessarily the one at the end of the day. Yes i think like. They're not ready. They're not ready at this moment. In time they'll be ready at other moments in time but at that point they will move on from each other. But it's it's why and it's it's what the acts as i have to grind like still part of the process of like fully unpacking what the finale means in the flash sideways and everything means these two people live they do. It's not a it's not like they get back together off. The island has a hard. I have a hard time believing that They they you know. Take jira off the island at the end of this and we're supposed to believe that they have long full lives after this and they never like got together again at least like once. I do struggle to believe that personally. But i don't know i i would think post juliet. How fundamentally changed. Sawyer is. I think the thing where i love you but not capital. Maybe even more so be the person into it because she just has that final. Kiss with jack on the rocks and that sort of it but sawyer built this whole life with this woman. I don't know if he would necessarily move on into that. But i think this lawyer at this point to your point is very much not that sawyer and kate sort of had the realization over this episode. That okay so we're convinced her in the last episode that there's no reason for her to leave the island that you know this is what she's she's bound to do this where she's bound to live the rest of her life and now she realizes okay. Maybe i'm not supposed to stay here. Either that whatever's out there might be better than where i am right now because the life. That's being handed to me. Right now between dictatorial. Lock and just playing dick. Sawyer is not optimal at the moment. Who's dictatorial all right. We get a flash forward. This is what we find out that diane has decided not testify to come to a deal. The prosecution wants to go to jail for four years. There's that number again. But no that's not what's going to happen so time served plus ten years probation and kate cannot leave the state. Cates like deal. Yeah and howie mandel now. You're sure exactly bankers over there in his shaded. That's sort of like the charles win. More of this is the banker. The man the man on the boat the entire time. Yes maybe it's dunkin with all the toy chests that's the or no deal to that point. Though duncan nearly does kate off completely right he puts out. You put this woman on the stand for for for rescuing her mother from an abusive husband. What do you think you're doing. But cade season out. Here she basically sees a mandated. Excuse to have to stay in one place and she surprisingly takes it and there's also some very interesting symbolically here where the very first time we see her in this flash forward. She's in she's in the limo after eating that cheese pizza entirely to herself and the dunkin tells her you know we're going to go through the front door not the back. It's all about really putting forward this image of who is the now. She's going out the back door. She just wants this to be over. And i think that's who is this. Is this idea of much like we talked about. the wardrobe. Change is who presented herself as who they tried to dress up as versus by the end of this kate coming out as herself at the end of this. I think it's a really clean episode from that perspective like we said. I think there could be a lot more better written stuff around it but i really liked the emotional arc of kate in this episode going through the front door coming out the back door coming out coming out. The back door and out back door is where kate meets jack. That is you know. I be your lawyer. Gave me the heads out. Thank you jack effort to say that story so many times starting to think you believe it just wanted to tell you that what i said that i didn't mean it funding combined for a visit. I i actually have to get over to the hospital. But maybe you and i could grab some coffee. I know why you don't wanna see the baby tack until you do until you want to. There's no you offer coffee. If at any time you change your mind come and see us. Yeah okay if you change our mind. I'll be line fee with my girl. Yeah that's right keep saying it that way. Now that's all that's all i've got so far for. I don't know what the what would the aba parody lost. Bambi t. l. o. T. instead of aba right. That's right or yeah. I don't have i someone's going to be quick on the uptake than me on this one Jackie you know. They're getting closer. But jack just can't do the one thing and i think even up to this moment the show is trying to make you feel like well. It's because she's got sawyers baby. So that damn sawyers baby. But it's not but it is his nephew technically. Yeah technically his half nephew though. He knows that at this point right. Because he knows clair's mom approached him at christians funeral and i'm assuming this took place after that yes So the reason he doesn't want to see this kid. I think it's very painful reminder of what they left behind and it's like there's no there's no way for him to move forward without having to go back like you know he can't. He can't be with kate. Because cates with aaron and errands this reminder to him of who they left behind the lie that they're telling in serviceable of that and that's too much for jack. Jack has already created this false reality that he's living in. I think to live in it any further beyond that would be too much too much for him to hand right. If he tries to expand the bubble to encapsulate more people to transform them maybe into what fits his reality it might be unsustainable. Yes so that's obviously i think like the very next thing that you see with these two characters. Is that like. He's gotten over that or is trying to get over that so that he can actually have relationship with kate. He liked values. His love for kate Higher than like the personal guilt and there is some progress there. Of course it will all fall apart ultimately but the next time we're going to check in with these characters it'll be like the two of them have started getting together at this moment though it still is a little fresh right like you said because this happened as soon as kate got landed. We talk about this actually in. There's no place like home that this is still a fresh wound and jack while still trying to live in. This reality doesn't want to necessarily face what actually happened on the island. And so he's a little bit in denial. I think it is what he's facing at this moment and so unfortunately until he can stomach that he's not gonna be able to move into facing something with he's trying to straddle this line in this moment right. Well it won't go visit you but if you want to go outside your house and go get coffee. But kate again sort of getting her own grew back in a manner of speaking or at least setting herself on a new path. Basically says no if you wanna be with me you have to be with me and quote unquote mice. Be my lover. You gotta get with aaron forever. Yeah like if you if you want to be with the if you want my future you cannot forget your past you have to. Yeah so this is like the space. No i really really want. Is the guy kate he really does he does. He very much does so. The episode then of course follows all the way home. She goes home when she gets there. Errands nanny is there. She seems wonderful. She's been taking care of aaron all this time it'll actually pop up again in the flash sideways and a really meaningful way. Where when. Kate takes claire to the hospital after all the events in the taxi in the beginning of season six. She'll be a nurse so even though she won't be there when erin his born. She has a fun flash sideways connection with aaron. But okay we got. We got to talk about this. Obviously it ends with the very first clip. That opened up this podcast. But this was huge this to me. Josh was the lost equivalent of maggie. Shot mister burns in the simmons because this is something that i don't think anybody would have seen coming in this moment. There was debate as to even if erin was counted as one of the oceanic. Oh there's still a chance that it can be jin and sun because aaron might not count because he was just a baby and unfortunately we will have that reality confirmed and a few episodes from now. But it's still is a huge deal that have all the characters they youngest one was one to make it off the island. Yeah i love. It is a great twist it was. It was a curve ball. I think the episode really makes you work to get your from a narrative structure. I think from the perspective of like the storytelling but it also is an episode as we've established filled with really good scenes. Yeah lots of really good scenes throughout the ending is is really great. So since we've been doing this out of order mike. Let's continue that path. I developed town of three. What did you give it. Yes so when looking at this. I was trying to really compare it against other. Kate episodes in particular. I think like we've said we've have seven. Kate episodes up to this point. As i spoke about last week. They tend to really vary. And i think i could compare them directly against those so i was looking at what kate did. What did you feel like. It's actually a very similar episode. Where i feel like the flashbacks are very rich and character. Strong the on island stuff is weird. But they're still some cool stuff going on there. I gave what que did a three point three. I like this less than what kate did. And isolate less than. I do which is three point five. Because i just has. All the adrenalin pulsing stuff even if i like. The flashback. a little bit less. But i still think it's in the vicinity. I would compare this to episodes like every man for himself. And everybody hates hugo where they're good episodes. There are some fundamentally weak things about them but there are some really interesting character piece in in particular some very strong endings. So i only went a smidge above you. I gave a town a three point one. We're both higher than the audience average. Which is a two point eight It all rounds out to a two point nine six and as we had stated last time egg town is gonna the sequential order continues for season for it will not remain this way but for now down fourth place and we should also say we've talked about this keeps sending in your feedback because we're going to catch all also keep sending in your ratings as well things were. Things are very variable at the moment not constant so obviously things might fluctuate. I don't think the rankings fluctuate but certainly the numbers. Well so as you're powering through these episodes much like we are now in the weeks and months to come. Just keep sending in your ratings. Everything's fixed until the end of season. Four anyway. all right some feedback. This is from a stefan johnson Worst name for a lost episode ever egg town. I think we've established that is that is the truth. Yep undeniably. So egg takes the cake which i believe is made up of eggs. Yes stefan also has this as well. How is kate even allowed on a flight to guam. Shouldn't she be on the no fly list. I actually had a thought about this earlier. Mike Where i was thinking that Shouldn't like everyone. If kate has one of the most famous basis in america than jack and hurley inside must be on that list as well even sun and aaron perhaps even. But he's growing up but these other members of the oceanic six you should be able to recognize instantaneously. Do you think that the people when they got on jira or like oh shit. We're all with the people who God oh interesting. A one of two ways because it could be that equivalent of. Oh my god. I'm on a flight with the celebrity. This is amazing or all. my god. I'm on a flight with the people who got into plane crash this all of them the entire oceanic six. That's terrifying terrifying. And there's this bug-eyed guy there too. Yeah at least pilots nice and swore the and no beard among them. Apologies for pushing your name. Stefan I'm working on getting getting better. Some aggression today From jim fells gyms says feels like another case of what's in the safety deposit box. Kate goes through so much trouble for a bit of information that seems so insignificant. If the freighter crew doesn't care about kate's past why does it even matter. It doesn't lead to anything. That's another piece of my problem with the episode is just that it feels like as you like to say mike bit of a maybe a nothing turkey burger because he talked about turkey early or nothing piece of chicken that got nothing. Nothing chicken burger. I think that the whole plot again. It's it's it's a trap that we fall into with episodes okay. There's one piece of information that she wants to get and she'll go to the ends of the earth for it but it really doesn't play into. Was it worth it at the end of the day and i feel like unfortunately since we played that tune before it feels like a bit of a repeat of the chorus yes From eric dive. Did john kill that chicken to eat or out of frustration. With his with bed. I would imagine why not both to one bird with two stones. Exactly i'm sitting. Use those two stones to take him talia whiten at blackstone from his from his backgammon game. No we didn't want to focus on this. I mean i can imagine that he was particularly angry about it. And when john locke gets angry he feels confident in one thing. It's his hunting skill. So maybe he he would do that. And also i don't know how much when the last supply drop for dharma ville brought by produce and protein. So maybe he indeed had to go a bit season one in hunt. Yeah a great point from downtown sarajevo. i just need to ask miles who she is. Why can't she ask. Charlotte daniel or frank. So if the whole reason might that she's staying in the barracks is so that she could find out for miles. What do they know about me. So i know what. I'm getting myself into if i go back home. Why is she hedging all those bets on the worst person from the freighters. Well i think from what kate has observed so far it seems like miles a would be the one most likely to give up information. Even though daniels seems like a big old open book. But i think also from this perspective i could perceive that vile seems to be the most knowledgeable right. Miles was the one who said. Hey we're hunting benjamin linus. This is the person that we're going after. He seem to be the one that has been the more forthcoming about everything. That's happening and the reason why they're there. So maybe from cage perspective. He's the leader. And so of all people. Yeah you would want to interrogate the later because see would understandably no the most she happens to you know. Talk to probably this one of them all all right let's get into. Mvp's and l. vp's. I've got three. Mvp's you've got to. You've got three al. Vp's i've got to kick us off. Benjamin linus is once again hitting for me Because i love how he handles miles but more importantly he wants again just so effectively gets under. John locke skin and ironically enough. Nobody is hitting benjamin linus in this episode. Mind the fact minutes after. I made my argument before. This is the first time i'm giving her an mvp point. But it's her last time onscreen. So i might as well honored diane johnson. No matter what you think about her motives. I think she does not take the stand which is pivotal for kate ending up the way that she does so i'm going to give her an mvp on the way out. Yes i'll claire. For the reasons. I outlined earlier. I love claire in this episode I feel like the opportunities to give her. Points are diminishing quickly and this is an episode. That's a little hard for me to place my mvp points anyway. So i'm gonna. I'm gonna put one on claire here. I think that it's earned all right. I'm going to bring this one back. I feel like it's been a while since i've done this one josh. Mvp point to law and order. I think that includes dunkin that includes the judge that includes the the the prosecutor who does sort of see through jack edo. Jack's feelings towards kate on the stands. I do feel like this is a good bang-up job i think for everyone involved in the law. It just so happens that got involved with all the law stuff as well. So i'm going to give them some credit here but i think it's mostly on dunkin shoulders. Then i'm gonna give my last one or his toy chest. I'm gonna give by last one to who i assume was the recipient of many of dunkin's toys i would hope that that was a perk of signing on. Yes i'm going to give him points aaron. Because he's the avatar. Not the last vendor though. Could you imagine she'd say special once upon a time right. Shout out to hang in there. Aaron in there that aaron also his dame starts with to as much like hang Aaron is going to get my mvp. And he's the avatar of the twist of this ending and also good on you little baby got off that island. Yeah he's the one in the annex six. Maybe we should give all the oceanic six points when they're like outed as one you know. Maybe we know what we've done so far actually except for kate occurred so except for it would seem l. Vp's i think you and i both have elderly people. Insta throw it. John locke yeah not a great episode for la his slide continues. Unfortunately just just not. I mean ben calls him out. He doesn't know what he's doing right now. And as much as he tries to execute some disciplined. It's not done very well. Yeah i'm going to give the nell. Vp point to the chicken and died it died. It died dude and also those eggs were unhealthy and it didn't survive so it's the chicken and like in general chicken based products. It's that. I assumed that the ad comes from that chicken. Do you think there's only one chicken that they keep in dharma ville. Yeah i think so. Yeah i'm probably so then. Those eggs are unfertilized as well. I'm gonna give. I'm gonna keep the street go and let's give another. Lv point two miles. I think is his attempts to extort are just not very well done and he ends up with a grenade in his mouth that may or may not be live so even though miles is exactly where he says he wants to be. It's not a great week for him. A great it's not great. I'll throw my final point onto his future sideways partner in crime as i mentioned it before this is not a good look for sawyer in this episode. Yes i do. Commend him as you mentioned before for being able to sort of play. Both sides remain locked pocket. Locked does confide in him. He's the only person locked invites to of. Do you think a good leader. That definitely says something. But i think everything he does. Kate handled poorly. And it's it's not a great look for sawyers romantic aspects at least in this moment. Not a great not. Leave skate on for the time being. Yeah i have no issue with With this point. I think it's totally totally fair. So that said we just have a bunch of new people on the board. The big headline of the board. The big headline right now is that Miles has some company in the ldp section. He is the anchor of the. Ldp stands but he's not alone. He's with john locke because john locke got double tapped by sierra and to be honest nearly triple tap them and then decided instead a good opportunity to give a point to a chicken. Damn so it's miles and lock at the very bottom and then frankly pita still hang tight at the top five. Well we're going to take a break from those bottom two next week and maybe an opportunity to give some more points to the leader of the clubhouse next week but feel like there might be some other point to some other characters wake. it's getting into the state. It's time for the constant we are. We are next up. It's the constant and a little bit of time travel involved and of course the constant which is the episode that has long been considered the best episode of lost. I think the popular consensus about the constant is that gonna hold here in terms of the ratings. I suspect it will. But we'll find out really really soon and it's possible that as you're listening to this podcast you already know the answer. The reason is because we recorded our podcast about the constant live with a group of people watching us on february fifteenth. Twenty twenty one. The first time we've done a recap you're on down the hatch live so people were able to watch that live now. They're here listening to down. They hadn't been able to listen to egg down before they watched the constant and then they'll be able to listen to the constant podcast next week and the ad a further wrinkle of complexity to this mike. You and i currently don't know how that constant podcast went. We have recorded yet. Young man minute forty. That was truly ridiculous. Alzheimer's was don't minute. Forty two is really really good So i hope it was good. I think it was good. We'll find out next week with the podcast. If it was good but people may have already heard our takes on the constant as they listening to this podcast which i think is fairly appropriate given the material at play. Yeah exactly but i cannot say how incredibly excited i am to talk about. This episode. not only is considered one of the best episodes of loss but one of the best episodes of television period to the point. Where at a point. Where lost certainly. I think had lost some people in the three seasons. Since the mega mega hit of season one this was one of those rare water cooler moments. Besides things like we have to go back that people were talking about and it is an incredibly important episode to me in the time that it was watching. I'm very excited to talk about that. I'm so excited to revisit it. It's you know we're still in the throes of winter here on the east coast. I'm here for a nice callback. Call to christmas time as well. The got some nice mullet daniel faraday. There's so much great stuff happening. 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Justice department to drop Michael Flynns Russia case.

THE NEWS with Anthony Davis

06:47 min | 1 year ago

Justice department to drop Michael Flynns Russia case.

"Coming up on five minute. News trump administration berries. Cdc Advice on reopening black people four times more likely to die from Kovic. Nineteen and Justice Department is Dropping Flynn's trump Russia case. It's Friday may eight. I'm Anthony Davis trump administration shelved a document created by the nation's top disease. Investigators with step-by-step advice to local authorities. On how and when to reopen restaurants and other public places during these still raging corona virus outbreak the seventeen page report by a centers for Disease Control and Prevention Team titled Guidance for implementing. The opening up America again framework was researched and written to help faith leaders business owners and educators and state and local officials as they begin to reopen it was supposed to be published last Friday but agency. Scientists told the guidance would never see the light of day according to a CDC official the trump administration has been closely controlling the release of guidance and information during the pandemic spurred by new corona virus. That scientists are still trying to understand with the president. Himself leading. Freewheeling daily briefings until last week traditionally it's been the CDC's role to give the public and local officials guidance and science based information during public health crises during this one however the CDC has had a regular pandemic related news briefing in nearly two months. Cdc Director Dr Robert Redfield has been a member of the White House Corona Virus Task Force but largely absent from public appearances. The death of real time public information from the nation's experts to struck many current and former government health officials as dangerous many governors across the US Disregarding or creatively interpreting White House guidelines in easing this states lockdowns and letting businesses reopen seventeen states do not appear to me one of the key benchmarks set by the White House loosening up a fourteen day downwards trajectory in new cases are infection rates. Black people are more than four times more likely to die from covert nineteen than white people according to stock official figures exposing a dramatic divergence in the impact of the Corona Virus Pandemic in England and Wales the UK Office of National Statistics. Found that the difference in the viruses impact was caused not only by pre existing differences in communities wealth health education and living arrangements. It discovered that after taking into account age measures of self reported health and disability and other socio demographic characteristics black people were still almost twice as likely as white people to die a covert nineteen related death Bangladeshi and Pakistani males will one point eight times more likely to die from Kovic nineteen than white males off to other preexisting factors had been accounted for and females from those ethnic groups. One point six times more likely to die from the virus than their white counterparts results showed that the difference between ethnic groups in covert nineteen mortality is partly a result of socio economic disadvantage and other circumstances but a remaining part of the difference has not yet been explained the Ns said these groups are more likely to work in frontline roles in the NHL. In England. Nearly twenty one percent of staff from ethnic minorities compared to about fourteen percent of the population of England and Wales Black Bangladeshi and Pakistani populations of been shown to face higher levels of unemployment and child poverty than White Groups Helen. Bonnard the acting director of the Joseph Rowntree Foundation said the findings were a stark reminder that although we are all weathering the same storm we are not all in the same boat. The Justice Department on Thursday said it is dropping the criminal case against Donald Trump's first national security adviser Michael Flynn abandoning prosecution. The became a rallying cry for the president and his supporters in attacking the FBI's trump Russia investigation. The action was a stunning reversal for one of the signature cases. Brought by Special Counsel Robert. Mueller. It comes even though prosecutors for the past three years of maintains that Flynn lied to the FBI in January twenty seventeen interview about his conversations with the Russian ambassador. Flynn himself admitted as much pleading guilty before asking to withdraw the plea and became a key. Cooperate Mullah as the special counsel investigating ties between Russia and the two thousand sixteen trump campaign. Thursday's action was swiftly embraced by trump who has relentlessly tweeted about the outrageous case and last week pronounced. Flynn exonerated the US. Attorney reviewing the Flynn case. Jeff Jensen formally recommended dropping it to borrow last week. The course of action vehemently and publicly recommended by trump. Who appointed to head. The Justice Department Baugh has increasingly challenged the Russia investigation saying in a television interview last month. That it was started without any basis so far Robert. 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Friday, May 8, 2020

Up First

13:55 min | 1 year ago

Friday, May 8, 2020

"Hey everyone we really appreciate your listening to up first and we also want to better understand who is listening to our podcast so please help us out by completing this short anonymous survey NPR dot org slash podcast survey. It takes less than ten minutes. I promise that and it really helps support this. Show again that address. Npr DOT ORG SLASH. Podcast survey are millions of Americans who are out of work are experiencing this whole world's Kinda stance toward now so we're feeling takes. A new unemployment rate is out today. It could be an historic. Hi I'm Newell King here with David Green and this is up I from NPR news in two thousand seventeen former national security adviser. Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI. Yesterday the Justice Department moved to drop the charges against him. I wanted to make sure that we restore confidence in the system. There's only one standard of justice. Why did Attorney General William Bar do this and two white men have finally been charged in the shooting death of an unarmed black man in Georgia? Someone released video of the encountered this week. We'll these arrests be enough to calm the protests. Stay WITH US. We have the news. You need to start Your Day. Uh support for. Npr comes from Trello part of the Atlassian collaboration suite. During these uncertain times Trillo is here to help teams work together to solve big challenges with Trello. You can work with your team wherever you are tried. Trello for free and learn more at Trello Dot com support for this. Npr podcast and the following message. Come from better help online counseling by licensed professional counselors specializing in isolation depression stress and anxiety. Visit BETTER HELP DOT com slash up first to learn more and get ten percent off your first month often. A new monthly jobs report is of interest you know. Mostly economists and policymakers the one coming out today could be much more significant right because of cove in thousand nineteen we could see the highest unemployment rate in this country since the Great Depression. And let's talk about this moment with. Npr's Scott horsely. Hi Scott Good Morning to. So how ugly do we think? These numbers are going to be very ugly To put this in some perspective the worst monthly job loss we saw during the great recession of the financial crisis was eight hundred thousand. This morning's report is GonNA show job losses in the millions. Maybe as many as twenty million and as painful as that is it's still not going to tell the full story of the economic wreckage that the virus pandemic has been causing. Why not well? A couple of reasons. this report is based on surveys. That were conducted three weeks ago and we know from the weekly unemployment claims that there have been millions of additional job losses. Since then. What's more the unemployment rate here only counts people who are actively looking for work in of course right now a lot of people are not either because they're worried about the corona virus or because the government has told them to stay home. Okay so take us through exactly what we're expecting and then what we will see in this report today. The April snapshot is going to be staggering. It's a kind of freeze frame image of an economy that was abruptly and stop in its tracks in a desperate bid to slow the spread of this book. I've been talking with some of the people behind these scary statistics. Folks like carmine. Db OSCE he's a Longshoreman at Port Canaveral in Florida. He told me he's really been feeling the global slowdown. He used to work five days a week loading and unloading cruise ships now. Of course that all came to a halt weeks ago when the cruise ship stop sailing after that happened and his son who was also a longshoreman spent about ten hours each on their computers. Just trying to navigate Florida's nightmarish on employment system. Debussy finally got his first unemployment payment about a week ago and that covered about half what he'd been making on the job. He knows a lot of people who are still waiting while we are tightening. Our Belt here on certainly better off than many. I haven't descending meals yet. That's for sure there are some people that aren't didn't lines and stuff. I also talked with a beverly pickering. She's also been out of work. She's a dog sitter base near Detroit. Ordinarily she looks after the pets of auto workers when they're traveling that absolutely collapsed. I've had no customers. Traveling and aspires dog walks. Everybody's home and walking their own dogs. Of course Detroit was also a hot spot for Corona virus infections. So pickering had to worry about getting sick as well as how she was going to pay your bills. A saving grace for her is the expansion of unemployment benefits which allowed to collect even though she is self employed. She also told me. She's beginning to see some glimmers of hope just in the last few days you know. Automakers have announced plans to start reopening and she is beginning to hear from clients who might need their dogs. Walked again soon. She's looking forward to that. The dogs are too. She heard about one dog. Who's been looking out the window for every afternoon for their walks. So that's great. I hope those walks up happening again but I mean Scott we have you know obviously governors others making these hard decisions about when to reopen. But when things do start reopening as we're seeing in some places Are we going to see more glimmers of hope? Could we've reached the bottom of of this terrible job situation? This April report will likely show the biggest single month a decline in employment But it does appear from those weekly unemployment claims that the pace of layoffs has been slowing down. But it's still really high by historical standards. And it's not going to be a real quick turnaround. We know with employer suddenly adding a lot of jobs. Next month's report is likely to show the unemployment rate ratcheting up even higher. Npr's Scott horsely Scott. Thanks a lot. You're welcome Okay so the Department of Justice has reversed course in one of the most high profile cases in the Muller Investigation Right. So you're a member Michael. Flynn he was the president's national security adviser. He pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russia but now for some reason the DOJ is dropping his case against him. And we have impaired justice correspondent Ryan Lucas here. Hi Ryan for those of us. Who Don't remember everything about my land. Can you just? I mean a lot has happened since then. Can you take it back? And remind us who he is and what role they played right so the FBI began investigating. Flynn back in two thousand sixteen as part of the broader rush investigation. Fbi agents interviewed him at the White House in January of two thousand seventeen in in that interview. Flynn lied to them about his conversations that he had had with Russian ambassador to the United States. A few weeks later Flynn left the administration For allegedly lying to the vice president about those talks with Russian envoy then in late two thousand seventeen. Flynn pleaded guilty to a single count of making false statements to the FBI. The case against him was part of Special Counsel Robert Muller's investigation and Flynn after pleading guilty cooperated extensively with millers team in that investigation. Okay pleaded guilty to making false statements. I mean that among other things makes me wonder why the Justice Department decides to drop this case. This is an unusual decision But there is a review that Attorney General William Bar ordered earlier this year. He put the attorney from Missouri. Jeffrey Jensen in charge of it. To take a look at the flint case from top to bottom and after reviewing everything that apartment concluded that continuing Flynn's prosecution wouldn't be in the interest of justice and this decision revolves around the interview that I mentioned earlier that Flynn had with the FBI interview where he lied to the agents. The department now says that after looking at some recently discovered documents and newly declassified information that it has concluded that it was unjustified that there was no legitimate investigative interview basically. It says that interview never should have taken place. It says that Flynn's lies about his talks with the Russian ambassador weren't material to an investigation seeking to determine the nature of Flynn's relationship with Russia. Could this have significant implications for the FBI here? Well I mean certainly for flint and his supporters They view this as vindication of their long-running allegations of misconduct by the FBI their allegations that bad actors in the F. B. I. Route to get flint from the beginning. That's in part. Why Flynn in? This case have become a central element of attacks against Muller and the Russia investigation and certainly something that president trump has latched onto as well. He has pushed that view as well. On the other hand there are certainly people who will take a look at this and say Flint did stand up in court twice and plead guilty to lying to the FBI. I mean then you attorney general. Bill Barr who has been among the vocal critics of the Muller investigation to say the least. What was his role in this decision? And in all of this right the the out side prosecutor Jeff Jensen who reviewed the Flynn material decided after his review that this case should be dropped. He says that he briefed Bar on this. And the attorney general agreed now bar spoke to CBS news last night. He told them it was his decision. And here's a bit of what he said. I WanNa make sure that we restore confidence in the system. There's only one standard of justice now for many former prosecutors and critics of bar this move does the exact opposite of that critics point to this as another instance of bar putting his thumb on the scales of justice for a friend of the president and rather than restoring confidence for a lot of people actually deepens concerns about the politicization of the department under bars leadership. Npr's Ryan Lucas for us this morning. Thanks thank you saw last night. Police arrested two white men in connection with the shooting death of Ahmad armory an unarmed black man. Who was out for a jog in southeast Georgia? The two men are father and son. They're facing charges of murder and aggravated assault. The shooting happened back in February. But there wasn't much of a response and then this week. Some cell phone footage of the incident was leaked to the public. Emily Jones of Georgia public broadcasting has been following this story. Hi Emily Good Morning. So why did it take so long for these arrests to be made? Well the Georgia Bureau of Investigation didn't become the lead agency on the case until this week and then acted within days of taking over making these arrests but the larger question is why local authorities didn't act sooner the facts. In the case are somewhat clear Ahmad Armory was jogging mostly white neighborhood and two men the two who were arrested sixty four year old Gregory McMichael and his son thirty four year old travis. Mcmichael God at their truck with guns to confront Aubrey. They told police that they thought he looked like a burglary suspect And then this video that came out this week shows the confrontation as for why this may have taken so long. A Gregory McMichael has worked in law enforcement in the area for more than twenty years including time working as an investigator in the district attorney's office in Brunswick. This case passed through to district attorney's both of whom had to recuse themselves due to conflicts of interest with Michael and then a third. Da took over and this past Tuesday that Da asks the Georgia Bureau of Investigation to take over the case. And now today's later that's when the arrests happened. Aubrey's family reacted to these arrests. I spoke to his aunt not long afterwards. Her name is Thea Brooks and she was happy. Relieved excited that there was finally an arrest. Ahmad shooting death running for my down the street literally literally. I started running just man and David. Let's remember this shooting happened back on February twenty third more than ten weeks ago. This family has just been. Shell shocked by what happened. And all of the frustration anger about the lack of legal action. They finally gone. They've been calling for which is some sort of accountability to get their day in court The family's attorney Benjamin crump says the arrests are the first step to justice but quote. It's a travesty that it took this long when we have seen protests this week around this case. Do you think these arrests you know to. What extent are they going to come the public? Well the arrest of change the mood. Certainly people have been very angry. And now there's this sense of relief and happiness but you know across the US. There have been several high profile. Killings like this one and in many cases there's not justice to the full satisfaction of those involved so what these arrests in. Brunswick mean is an important step for this case but for protesters and civil rights activists and the family. It's not enough. They're already calls for the district attorney to resign. Emily Jones of Georgia public broadcasting covering the story for us. Emily thank you so much. Thank you And that is I for. Friday may eighth. I'm David Greene King. Up I is produced by Mark Rivers our editors are Simone pop real and Matt Song or Social Strategist is Casey Knicks and our executive producer is Kenya Young. We know the news doesn't stop when this podcast does so. Follow us on twitter where we tweet the news too and we know that you want to start your weekend up first up first airs on Saturday as well. Lulu Garcia Navarro and Scott. Simon have the news. It'll be here right in this feed or wherever you get your podcasts There's a lot going on in the world right now. You ever just feel like you WanNa talk it all out well. I'm here to help. My name is Sam Sanders I host. 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Sunday, February 16, 2020

NBC Nightly News

21:01 min | 1 year ago

Sunday, February 16, 2020

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Let it be your spark for new ideas throughout two thousand twenty for a free print copy of the economist just text nightly to nine nine zero zero zero one more time text nightly and I G H T L Y to nine nine zero zero zero for your free print copy of the economist breaking news tonight getting out. Hundreds of American mind evacuated from that quarantine cruise ship off Japan. We know you've been through a lot. The new video from inside their flight back to the United States and now and American from another ship is diagnosed in another country. The flood waters rising across parts of one capital city evacuated rescuers going door to door while out west. An avalanche leaves to snowmobilers. You're dead going to extremes to pay off debt. Would you do five hundred hours of community service for Free Surgery? Standing Elton John Breaks down. Here's what he had to cut his concert short. And there's good news tonight. How the town from Romeo and Juliet is still bringing soulmate. This is NBC nightly news. With cates no. Good evening we begin with breaking news on the corona virus for nearly two weeks. Now we've been tracking conditions on a cruise ship docked in Japan with passengers under quarantine after an outbreak of the virus. Today four hundred Americans were finally allowed to leave the ship cruise wearing has met suits escorting them onto to charter. Flights specially equipped with isolation chambers. Everyone on the flights wearing masks they are bound for a US Air Force Base. And then we'll spend two more weeks under Quarantine Janice mackey. Freyer is in Yokohama Japan for US tonight with the latest tonight. Hundreds of Americans getting off the Diamond. Princess in an evacuation involving. Us teams in protective suits. You guys want to go back to the. Us is that right brother. I think this will be safe. Honestly you're much for getting off his shift. I would not say on the ship over you. Fallen Cheryl Maleski anxious to go. I have to put my mask on and get going leaving their room after nearly two weeks. Quarantine airplane takes you United States. And then you know you've been through a lot glad we're getting home getting a chartered flight. Back to the. Us exhausted you're on the plane to face another fourteen days of isolation at a military base share Milewski's video showing what she describes as an isolation chamber on board the cruise ship. A high risk for exposure with another seventy cases confirmed today three hundred fifty five and all and two-thirds of passengers have yet to be tested and mounting concern. About the WESTERDAM'S. The cruise ship rejected by five countries before docking in Cambodia. An American woman testing positive but hundreds of passengers were allowed to leave the ship sparking fears. The virus could spray those who decided to not take the charter. Can't return to the. Us until March fourth at the earliest according to a letter from the US embassy also left behind forty six Americans being treated here in isolation and cut off has to be with the virus. I would hate to give this anybody else. He wanted his wife to take the flight back to the. Us where returning passengers will be tested for the virus when they land and begin a new ordeal and Janice is with us now. Janice you said some Americans stayed behind what they need to do now to get off that ship well. They need to stay on the ship until Japanese authorities and the quarantine which should happen on Wednesday but anyone wanting to leave is going to have to test negative for the virus before they can go and for Americans. Returning home is going to take a little longer kate. Alright Janice Maggie Fryer for us in Japan. Thank you. There is more breaking news tonight. Deadly storms sweeping the south. Millions are on alert for major flooding at this hour. Evacuations are underway in Mississippi with the governor there warning residents in some areas to leave. Now Blaine Alexander is in Jackson. Mississippi in Jackson Mississippi the mighty footprint of the Pearl River is growing just like your whole street flooded with water across central Mississippi submerging softball fields seeping into homes and continuing to rise. This is a precarious situation. Shed by water from the reservoir. The river is expected to crest at thirty eight feet Monday. The third highest level in one hundred years and now less than twenty four hours later. This is as close as we can get the spot where I was standing yesterday by. The sense is now about fifty feet back and surrounded by water. Ten million people are currently under flood warning including parts of Louisiana Georgia. Tennessee and the Carolinas in Kentucky team spent the day searching for Brandy Osborne. She was walking to meet a friend in a flooded area and got swept into the Tennessee River and back in Mississippi Wildlife. Boats are staying busy sailing from door to door urging people to get out and carrying at least four to safety. Please be diligent in what you're looking at and if it's time to evacuate please evacuate no hesitation for Kisha Garrett hers as one of nearly one thousand homes in harm's way in the world won't take your taking. I'm not gonNA worry about it. I need the most responsible thing I could get me and my family out of that house blames with us. In Jackson blamed the hundreds of people who had to leave their homes. Do we know when they can return? The governor says that once the river press sometime tomorrow that were possibly looking at another three to four days. Maybe even a week before that water starts to recede at right behind me. You can actually see what you're looking at is water gushing from the reservoir into the Pearl River. That's another main part of the reason why this river is going to keep rising until tomorrow morning. Kate. Tomato water blamed. Thank you late today. Search crews in Colorado recovered the bodies of two men killed in an avalanche near Vail. Another person with them was able to dig out of the snow. Not Bradley has latest. The Colorado Avalanche Information Center said tonight. The bodies of the two men were recovered beneath the avalanche. Rescue workers racing to recover to people. Nearly twenty four hours after three snowmobile drivers triggered an avalanche near Vail. The third driver miraculously able to get out one of managed to get himself out from underneath. The snow was looking for his other partners. Was doing some digging getting them out. The trip had been a risky one. Presidency weakened has seen six deadly avalanches Colorado over the past decade. The Colorado Avalanche Info Center posted a warning earlier today saying some very large avalanches are propagating in surprising and unpredictable. Ways as we have been seeing lately the bottom line is were worried. Even the rescue effort was at risk with rescue workers telling volunteers to go home late yesterday. Evening seemed like it might be too too late too little too late but you know there could be an air pocket. There's always a chance of survival. It was a deadly weekend for this area just over ninety miles away at another ski resorts. A New Jersey. Man reportedly got tangled in his coat and suffocated while in a ski. Lift BECOMING COLORADO'S. Sixth skiing death so far this year. Matt Bradley. Nbc News More. Severe weather to tell you about this time in the UK. One of the strongest storms in the North Atlantic has seen in years. The hurricane strength storm is sweeping through. Scotland Ireland Wales with winds gusting more than one hundred miles an hour made for a challenging landing. This plane at London's Heathrow Airport storm brought massive flooding to covering entire neighborhoods leaving many stranded inside their homes. Early voting has begun in Nevada ahead of this week's caucus there. It is the next big test for the Democratic candidates. And they're ramping. Up their critiques of each other Garrett Hake is on the trail in Las Vegas the Democratic candidates descending on that may or people to judge in Las Vegas hoping to keep his early state hot streak going six days ago how do you keep the momentum going what I see now is just a tremendous amount of energy and opportunity to reach out to voters this morning on meet the press. Joe Biden hitting Bernie Sanders on healthcare. A key issue in the silver state and never got anything done. He's been talking about health. Care Medicare for all universal healthcare for thirty five years. Nothing's happened across the state. More than twelve. Thousand Adams cast their ballots this weekend in early voting after I was vote-counting stumbles campaigns and voters anxious to avoid a chaotic or confusing caucus process next Saturday. Are you confident that the caucus process will go off without a hitch? Here definitely GonNa be Iowa two point. Oh I feel so bad. People the racist other x-factor Michael Bloomberg the former New York City mayor riding a multimillion dollar way the AD spending into the racist top tier just can't hide behind airways he has to answer questions things he could buy this election. Well I got news from this the Bloomberg and that is the American people are sick and tired of billionaires buying about won't be on the ballot in Nevada betting on the Super Tuesday states instead and so far with a laser focus solely on president trump. He's not going to bully me. And I won't let him bully you either Garrett with us now Garrett the big opportunity this week in Nevada will be that NBC debate. Do we know whether my Bloomberg will be there on stage not yet? Bloomberg needs to hit one more poll of ten percent or better nationally to qualified for the debate for their part all the other Democratic candidates. WanNa see him on that stage they want a chance to critique his record and all those candidates are looking for some moment some opportunity some small thing to lift them up and help them get across the finish line here in Nevada on Saturday all right. Garrett thank you. It's going to be a big night. You can watch the democratic debate right here on. Nbc This Wednesday night nine pm Eastern. Time Lester Holt will be reporting from Las Vegas beginning tomorrow night ahead of it all still ahead tonight. An Apple Watch help save the life of a teenage boy but are those high tech. Health alerts always reliable. Also Elton John's surprising announcement down on stage. A teenage boys says he's alive today. Thanks to his Apple Watch alerted him to a potentially deadly heart problem. So how accurate are those high tech wearable devices Erin McLaughlin reports tonight a smart watch warning saving teens life. The heart rate features usually had nice to know helping monitor workouts and count calories but for Schuyler Jocelyn it helped diagnose a rare and serious heart condition then thirteen year old was sitting in class when his Apple Watch sent an unexpected alert at saying something was wrong with my heart is heart rate skyrocketed. Two Hundred Ninety beats per minute. He texted his mom. There's something wrong. He's healthy like he's an athlete. Why Why is my child? Eight going up. Joscelyn's mom lives rushed him to the hospital. He was diagnosed with the condition called S. V. T. It causes rapid heartbeat. This up to two hundred eighty in the middle of the night. Schuyler was in surgery for eight hours. One of a growing number of people who smartwatch detected the symptoms of deadly disease including blood clots kidney failure and Heart Arrhythmia all by monitoring heart rate. It's one of these things. That's a good screening tool not something. Somebody should depend on all the time for everything. That tank is getting more and more sophisticated. The fitbit inspire monitors your heart twenty four seven Apple Watch. Four series has a feature that allows you to give yourself an electrocardiogram. How ACCURATE IS SMARTWATCH? The smartwatch is are fairly accurate but it depends a lot on how you put it on. How tight it is. How you wearing it. If you're sweating possibly even your skin color doctors now keep tabs on Joscelyn's heart using an internal monitor more sophisticated than the smartwatch. His future now possible. Thanks to New Technology Erin McLaughlin. Nbc News The meet the Press. Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics. 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The Jobs Report, Tara Reade and Michael Flynn

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The Jobs Report, Tara Reade and Michael Flynn

"Technology it's in your pocket your car. Your Business and the Wall Street. Journal's Tech news briefing is tracking all of it from consumer tech to cybersecurity from the giants to the startups every weekday. We bring you the latest stories about the companies and advancements that are changing the way we live and work tech is remaking the world will make sure part of it subscribed to the WSJ tech news briefing from the Wall Street Journal. Wherever you get your podcasts from the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal this is Potomac. Watch unemployment hits tighest rate since the Great Depression Joe? Biden's accuser speaks out and the Justice Department stops chasing. Michael Flynn Welcome. I'm Kyle Peterson with the Wall Street Journal sitting in tonight for Polish ago. We are joined by my colleagues. Kim Strassel happy Friday Kim Happy Friday and Happy v Day. I would like to say and bill mcgurn as well high bill. Hi Kyle. So let's start with the news on Friday from the jobs report. Twenty point five million Americans. American jobs were lost in April and the unemployment rate went to fourteen point seven percent which is the highest instigate depression and well above the ten percent peak that was experienced during the great recession in two thousand seven and eight. Those surveys were taken in mid April. So they probably underestimate the true damage. President Trump's reaction on Friday morning was quote. It's fully expected. There's no surprise unquote Once here Kim is that seventy eight percent of the unemployed reported that they were on some sort of temporary layoff and they expect to be rehired which is a very huge numbers. I mean some of those temporary layoffs may turn permanent ones. But that's at least a positive sign that the economy may get roaring again when it starts to open up yet that is huge and was definitely happy underlying number of everything that came out because people have talked about this before about. You know if you're having a V shaped curve or U shaped curve. It doesn't really matter so much how quickly it happens as it does. Just that we are seeing signs that people view this more temporary and that there will be for many industries a quick scaling back up of of of their jobs that were lost in that they and I think the good news here is that what this means is that the pandemic hasn't necessarily put loads of businesses out of business entirely one thing that we should all be looking for is to see that other twenty percent that say they don't expect to go back are are those Clustered in certain industries is that for instance airlines or travel or tourism where we've seen some fundamental chefs given the likelihood that the pandemic lingers with us but overall definitely a good sign he just to provide a little bit of context so I saw chart that went back. I think about five decades on that temporary figure and had not been above roughly twenty five percent in about five decades announce at seventy eight percents So hopefully some of those so those workers will be able to get back on the job as the states start to open their economies but bill there still seems to be a of a lot of tension over who gets to go back to work and when maybe best exemplified by the case of Shelley Luther The Dallas Salon owner. Can you give us a rundown of that case? Yes Ms Luther ran a A hairdressers called Salon. A mode and After being without income for a few weeks I believe he has three children and I think she has eighteen people cutting hair there. She reopened on April Twenty Four. Th against the against quarter was then was ordered given a temporary restraining order which she ripped up at a rally she was finally arrested hauled into court this week. And I believe on Tuesday sentenced to seven days in jail for not You know admitting she had done wrong and had been selfish so when she went to jail things quickly moved the Texas attorney. General denounced the judge's decision. So did the governor So did the lieutenant governor than the the governor said look. This is insane to put a Texans in jail for trying to work for violating. You know he left open. You could find them and so forth but to treat them like criminals and put them in jail at a time when the jails were releasing other people because a covert nineteen he thought was absurd so he issued a retrospective order and then the Supreme Court time Dan and anyway. She's out so she's become sort of a folk hero to some people but other people. She's very selfish person. You know who wrist Spreading this disease by insisting on. Staying Open. I think the absurdity of this jail sentence was heightened that she was sentenced to jail just two days before running the hail hair salon that she did would be legal again. So I it's it's attracted national attention because of this. A lot of people who are now without income and cooped up at home can identify with this woman. I'll I'll throw a couple of quotes out here to add some context there so you mentioned that there's some people viewed as as selfish in one of the things she told the judge was quoted. Feeding my kids is not selfish already. Been shut down for about a month already and then Governor Greg Abbott of Texas. When he modified his order on Thursday essentially eliminating jail time as a punishment. I thought this was a nice line. He said quote as some county judges advocate for releasing hardened criminals from jail to prevent the spread of cove nineteen. It is absurd to have these business owners take their place unquote but you have to wonder. I think I mean she so. This is obviously an extreme situation. Where with a jail sentence right and she got a lot of attention. But you have to wonder I think as these these clashes between authorities and people wanting to go back to work on how many instances there will be of business owners who don't get all that attention and go under the radar. Even though they've been hit with a crippling fine or something like that right we know. Look LOTS OF PEOPLE. Are Violating the rules. Right we had a Famous scientist over in Britain. Who's telling everyone else? They have to stay home but had his Paramore come over for a booty call and people are tired of the hypocrisy of mayors like Mary Lori Lightfoot who went and got her hair done when she's telling him renounce they can't build. The BLASIO goes to his JIM right before right. He's telling people not do that themselves. Look I think there's an argument the people that that think Shelly Luther got. What she deserved are arguing. And I I see it now. There is a post in the Dallas Morning News saying if you don't punish people like that and let them flout the law you You know you're inviting more disobedience people. You're inviting disrespect for the law. And I think they have a point but what they don't talk about is Another point which I'm going to be riding on later. There's also an issue about what what about contempt for the law that when it's applied in such an arbitrary way or applied in a way to free law-abiding decent and hard-working citizens and that makes them into criminals for just going to work. I think we need a little discretion here. For example the judge has a lot of leeway. He couldn't find her five hundred bucks. If I see you here again it'll be a different story and no one would know shelly. Luther is name but he wanted to make an example of it and I sympathize with the people that find themselves in these positions because I think too often instead of realizing they're asking hard things of good people who don't have an income enter desperate They're they're kind of acting in the tone of the old Chinese emperors. You know who used to sign their edicts tremble and obey and that's not the way to address free citizens just to extend on Villes point too about the law. All of the stories I see about this have largely been about this question of of civil disobedience and whether or not she had contempt for the law or engaged in civil disobedience should she or should she have not have. Is it a problem or not? My broader point would be. I don't know if it's entirely clear. She did break the law. Only in that we have not had any legal tests of any of these executive orders that have required shutdowns and required shelter in place. You know as Bill Bar. The attorney general said in an interview a couple of weeks ago. This is uncharted territory. And just because you have a pandemic in place it does not mean that the constitution goes on holiday and so in some cases for instance shelter in place. Orders could be viewed as a form of house arrest against people who have committed no crime. So you can make an argument that it's being done for public health but what you don't know is how Our appeals courts are supreme court would necessarily rule in different situations on these cases. So you may have these orders and in this case the Texas governor has modified his But that in itself is an admission that perhaps the first version of it wasn't exactly correct so we don't really know in some cases if you are technically breaking illegal law yeah I mean I guess in my mind one of the ways to deal with this what you said. Dole was enforcement discretion. I think the case I think we talked about it on a previous podcast of the church in Virginia. The governor in Virginia had said that all in person gatherings are limited to ten people. The Church had sixteen people at a service in a sanctuary. That seats. Two hundred twenty five people I mean in my mind maybe the way to handle that is for the cops to walk in and look around and see sixteen people in the sanctuary and say you know. We don't really have a problem here and go about the rest of their business. We're talking about the lockdown orders Joe Biden and Michael Flynn and you're listening to Potomac. Watch from the Wall Street Journal robotics artificial intelligence augmented reality. The future is here. Listen to tomorrow today with the Wall Street. Journal's future of everything the podcast that takes you to the frontlines of science and tech and shows you. What's coming next? Look ahead what do you hear? The future of everything from the Wall Street Journal. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. From the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal this is Potomac. Watch a couple of developments on the accusation. That Joe Biden Assaulted a female staffer terror read in Nineteen ninety-three. Let's start with the discovery by the San Luis Obispo Tribune of some court documents filed in nineteen ninety six in connection with reads divorce so her then husband wrote in a court document that quote on several occasions petitioner related a problem she was having at work regarding sexual harassment in us. Senator Joe Biden's office Petitioner told me she eventually struck a deal with the chief of staff of the senator's office in left her position. It was obvious that this event had very traumatic effect on her and she's still sensitive affected by today unquote so that does not say that Biden himself was the person for the alleged conduct and it's also claim of harassment and not assault but bill. To me this is a a huge problem for Joe Biden because it's a near contemporaneous document backing up Tara. Reid's claim that she's been telling some kind of story like this since shortly after it allegedly happened particularly in these papers because Believe it was with her husband right. She's getting divorced. No reason for him to lie. He's the one that Brings it up. So I think we've there's nothing conclusive yet but as this case has gone on more and more little things kind of fit with her story And especially this one so. I don't know that we'll ever prove it. Because the she herself admits there was There was no one there when Joe Biden did what she alleges him to have done. But I'll have to say I think it makes it a lot harder for the former vice president just to blow these accusations off at hand you know they keep saying there's no she's inconsistent and so forth but actually I'm kind of struck by the consistency here she clearly. She believes something happened right. Whether did or not but she she's been saying that for a long time and I think this is troubling and who knows what else is going to pop up next and it seems like a will make it harder for Joe Biden to resist opening his personal records to see what may be in there But the second development is that Tara read seems to now be going a little bit on the offensive. She has reportedly retained a lawyer. Who represented several of the women who accused Harvey Weinstein And then she sat for an interview with Megan Kelly. The whole tape of that has not been posted yet. But there's Fuchs making the rounds in one of them capterra read says that she would be happy to talk about this under oath if there is an occasion for that she'd be happy to submit to cross examination and she would even be willing to do a lie detector test if Joe Biden agrees to the same yeah I think we can assume that Joe Biden isn't going to be sitting down for a lie detector test any time soon and we'll see what else she had to say in that interview when it comes out if she provides yet more evidence or specifics but I agree with you that the probably the biggest thing that will come out of this and where the story goes next is increasing pressure on Biden to somehow locate Documents that had to do with his personnel At the time He was in the Senate and to release them because one of the things. That's interesting about that court documents. You just mentioned is that it. It talks about his chief of staff and makes the claim that she struck a deal with them and then left her position and so the Biden campaign. rolled out a comment again from Ted Kaufman. Who was Biden's chief of staff at the time and he said quote I have consistently said. What is the truth here that she never came to me? Kauffman said I do not remember her. Had she come to me? In any of these circumstances I would remember her but I do not because she did not so again. That is going to put a lot of pressure on the campaign to to open up whatever records the press may need to see to try to find these old documents or to see if there were ever any other complaints I don't see how the Biden campaign this point skates out of that. Yeah but at least some Democrats are still trying to just push this aside. So Dianne Feinstein the raking senator on the Judiciary Committee told CNN that this is not comparable at all the accusations against Brett Cavanaugh. And she said that Tara. Reid came out of nowhere. Where has she been all these years? He was vice. President Unquote basically suggesting that these these allegations would have come out earlier. Had they been true And I wonder if it's going to have an effect on some of these Democratic Senate candidates to in Maine Bill the Challenger to Susan Collins is basically running on an anti cavenaugh platform presenting Susan Collins is vote for Cavanaugh is trail and Realclearpolitics reporter there will ask reached out to the Challenger and asked for a comment and did not get any reply right. Look I think is putting a lot of pressure on a lot of people not just Joe Biden starting with the press corps. I agree that this case. Nothing like Brad Kavanagh's because the people came forward with Brent Gavin Julie Nick accusing him of participating in gang rape and their stories melted almost immediately Christine Blazey Ford said. These people are at the party that can tell you what happened. And none of them backdrop whereas we're getting these little tidbits that make tarried more credible. I'm I don't know what happened. Who's telling the truth but I find it's not as easy to write her off as it might have been a few weeks ago and I think it's going to put pressure on all sorts of people outside Biden and the reason is the entire Party adapted to believe the woman standard during Brett Cavallo hearings. And now they want to change the standard. And it's it's awkward for them. It's embarrassing because they're trying to reconcile what's not reconcilable right and then a third topic in a week of plenty of news. The Justice Department on Thursday dropped its case against Michael. Flynn the president's former national security advisor. Flynn had originally pleaded guilty to making false statements the FBI But now the Justice Department is saying that the FBI is interview of him. Kim Was not conducted with any legitimate investigative basis. Here's the important point. What separates are f. b. i. from you know the Stasi or secret police and other places is that we require it to articulate an actual crime if it's going to do an interview and have that interview tethered to that crime the FBI did in this case is They had an open counterintelligence investigation into Mr Flynn which they were about to close because they had found absolutely nothing with regards to see a broad allegations that he may be working with the Russians or colluding The reason they wanted to interview him was his soda. Absurd Logan Act theory that he'd broken this seventeen ninety nine law But even the Department of Justice had decided that that was never going to fly in court and so they never opened an actual investigation into it. And yet that's what they asked him about as they sat down and conducted an interview. That in theory was related to a completely separate investigation and so As the Justice Department said this interview was untethered to an unjustified by the FBI counterintelligence investigation and therefore conducted was not conducted with a legitimate investigative basis. So that's the of legal background substantive legal ground for why they dropped the charges. I think there's plenty more to say to you about what on earth anybody was ever doing looking at the Logan Charge. And why on Earth Bob Mueller months later was still on this But you know those are those are questions that we're going to continue to look at us. More documents come outs. And the the reaction to this bill has been that this is the poet politicization of justice. Nancy Pelosi is saying that attorney. General bars politicization of justice knows no bounds. Comma Harris is calling for attorney. General Bar resign saying that he is consistently done. Donald Trump's bidding and corrupted our justice system unquote But the the Flynn Review. If I'm if I'm reading the stories right I mean that was not done only by bill bar but was also reviewed by another separate. Us Attorney right right. Jeff Johnson and Saint Louis. I'm look the just to to Concentrate on the Flynn case which Kim Has reported in just a brilliant y. The main thing that happened was that he got a new defense attorney. Sydney pal and she started questioning he had. He got this attorney after he had pleaded guilty. Now now we know. He was kind of bullied into it because he feared that his son would be prosecuted. We know further that the deal not to prosecute his son. Was this sort of thing. Not written down somewhere because they didn't want to expose that as well so she came in and she said they are holding material. They know which is expeditionary and she took a lot of abuse because people say she was endangering her client. Her job was to keep Jail they had that agreement but You know she believed it was an innocent man and she proved it. I and we're still waiting for documents. Such as the original three to like every response to everything. Bill Bar has done has been ad. Hominem calling him names. These are the same people by the way. A lot of these people if you look at The other papers that were released you know from Adam Shifts Office about his interviews about the Russian collusion that featured all these people in public. You know calling trump agent of Russia or saying. They had seen evidence of collusion. That was not circumstantial and then cross examination under oath in private the exact opposite. I don't know anything I mean. Start with James Clapper who I believe called trump Russian asset in public and so forth and in private said he had no evidence for any of this so I think that's what bill bars enduring now but I think he expected it. He's a he's an adult. He came into this job knowing the problems and he was there to clean out the stables. And he's doing it. He's doing it in a way and you know he's effective. Because they're screaming Kim there. There were some other documents as as bill to released related to this collusion story. What did we learn from them this week? Well in particular what you have are the transcripts from the interviews that were conducted by the House Intelligence Committee back when it was being run by. Devin newness And there are more than fifty of them and what had happened is at the end of that investigation when newness and Republicans have found that. There was no evidence of collusion are. There was a vote on the committee to make them public and yet Adam. Schiff has been Sitting on them even though they had already gone through the declassification process and now we're seeing why he was finally under pressure he finally put them out and they're showing a parade of officials including former Obama Department officials who testified under oath in front of the committee that they had never seen any evidence of collusion or issues which was quite different from what they end up saying later when they left their jobs and went to become TV personalities. So I mean where does that. Leave us in evaluating what the FBI did Where the I mean? The collusion narrative had already fallen apart by now. But what's what bill. What's left to do here? What's left to discover? Well the first thing that is left is to get all the information out. I mean there's been a lot of investigation and we're still waiting for documents even from the review that Jeff. Jensen commenced one of them that I'm particularly interested in is one of Sydney Pals. I demands the original three. Oh two from the FBI. That's the form when the FBI interviews you. The agent writes down Kyle Peterson told me this. He said this and that and then they sign in. That's the record. While in Michael Flynn's case we know that it was edited heavily by Peter Struck. And somehow we don't have the original. I'd like to see what those changes are. I WANNA know if it's like the changes that Kevin Clients think it's Kevin Kline Smith put in the FIS of application where they had a note from the FBI. Saying basically Carter page. Cooperating work with us. vis-a-vis the Russians. And then he changed that to to have it the opposite so i WanNa know what they did and I think there ought to be consequences. I don't I don't know that you can prove criminal liability for all these people but some of these people I would think if you can prove for example that the Brandon van Brac the prosecutor in In Michael Flynn's case deliberately withheld documents. He kept denying that justice had any of course now we know they. Did you know maybe he should be disbarred but there ought to be consequences for this but the first thing we need is the information they still have in then. We need to see some consequences. Kim Is there anything. Finally that you would add to the list of docket document demands or the the cleanup job here. Yeah I WOULD. I think that all of this also requires us to put a a new focus or look with new eyes on the Muller Appointment Especially in light of yet another document that came up this week. Which was the the scoping document from? Former deputy attorney. General Rod Rosenstein. It was put out in August and it it authorized Mr Muller Kind of gave more specific instructions as to what he was. Look at to look at and you know when you look at the the things that he was charged with doing. And how at this point for instance you know a lot of the things he was asked to look at where again these collusion allegations that have been leveled against Carter Page and Paul Manafort. We now know with the benefit of these documents that have come out that months before his appointment the FBI had already discovered the dossier which was the source of those allegations was completely bogus. So what on Earth were redoing pointing him to do this What on Earth was he doing for two years. And I just think that there's some interesting questions as to whether or not as we look at this with. Clearer is if Jim colonies decision to leak as memos and specifically to get a special counsel appointed and then the fact that the same people who run the DOJ FBI probe removed over to the Muller team. Whether or not you know this was all done in a way to legitimise the FBI's mistakes up until now rather than to ever actually find or investigate collusion thorough. We'll we'll leave it there for now. Thank you Kim and Bill. Thank you all for listening. We'll be back next week with another addition of Potomac Watch.

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5.8.20 Culture Friday, Bad Education, and Christian music at home

The World and Everything In It

32:39 min | 1 year ago

5.8.20 Culture Friday, Bad Education, and Christian music at home

"World and everything in it is made possible by listeners. Like US my name is Don Smith. Eleven Charleston South Carolina plying my trade in the kingdom as an elevator mechanic at a large medical complex. I hope you enjoy today's program. Good morning a new report shows. Us marriage rates have reached an all time. Low we'll talk with John stonestreet about what's driving the plunge and how we can start reversing it ahead on culture. Friday also a popular H. B. O. Movie contains an important lesson for modern media. But it does come with serious drawbacks. Just seems like a lot of our resources to be spending on cosmetics. The ceilings of the high school are still leaking. Thank you should bring that up. Student and Myrna Brown talks with Christian recording artists putting a stay at home spin on their summer concert tours. It's Friday may eight because the world and everything in it from listener supported world radio. I'm Megan Basham Eicher. Good morning up. Next Kent Covington has the news. The Department of Justice is dropping. Its criminal case against Michael. Flynn President Trump's first national security advisor the DOJ cited newly discovered information revealing wrongdoing within the FBI officials filed a motion to dismiss the case on Thursday stating Flynn's interview with the FBI in January. Twenty seventeen was quote conducted without any legitimate investigative basis. President trump reacted hours. Later saying Flynn was an innocent man and blasting those behind the investigation and I hope a lot of people are going to pay a big price because they're dishonest crooked people there scum. Flynn pleaded guilty and twenty seventeen to one count of lying to federal agents about his contact with Russian officials but he later moved to withdraw his guilty plea newly uncovered documents suggest. Fbi agents on the case may have planned to head of the interview to entrap. Flynn documents also showed that the bureau's former counter espionage chief Peter Struck push to keep the Flynn probe open even after the investigating agent plans to close it because he found no wrongdoing documents. Also suggests draw heavily edited notes from Flynn's? Fbi interview struck was later removed from the Russia. Probe AFTER ANTI-TRUMP. Messages came to light which he exchanged with his mistress who was then and FBI lawyer on Thursday the US attorney reviewing the Flynn case. Jeff Jensen said after reviewing it. He recommended dropping the charges at attorney. General William Barr agreed. President trump. This week vetoed a resolution that stated he must get the nod from Congress before taking any further military action against Iran world's Kirsten Flavin reports lawmakers in the House introduced the resolution after the US Air. Strike that killed the leader of Iran's proxy. Wars General. Kacem Sola money. Some on Capitol Hill worried that an all out conflict might follow in a handful of Republicans in both backed the resolution. The constitution gives Congress the power to declare war but president trump said. That doesn't mean the president has to get permission from Congress to greenlight all military operations. Trump said quote we live in a hostile world evolving threats and the constitution recognizes that the president must be able to anticipate our adversaries next moves and take swift and decisive action in response. That's what I did reporting for world. I'm Kristen Flahavan. The number of US workers filing jobless claims is slowly dropping last week three point. Two million workers applied for unemployment benefits. That number while extremely high could suggest that the grimmest period of Corona virus layoffs has passed and on Wall Street the Dow the S&P five hundred and the Nasdaq. All closed higher on Thursday as states began their push to slowly reopen for business. One expert is warning. They simply aren't ready last month. Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security Crafted Guidelines for governors on reopening and it included a four part criteria a decline in new cases for fourteen days enough testing capacity sufficient healthcare capacity and the ability to conduct thorough contact tracing a researcher at the Center for Health Security. Dr Caitlyn rivers testified on Capitol Hill. This week that not a single state meets all four criteria and rivers colleague Dr Mich- Dalia an infectious disease. Specialist said as states reopen. Nhs must take responsibility for their own safety. Especially if you're Because the virus has dissipated it's still going to pose a risk and now this has to be something that you incorporated into your daily life routine trying to minimize your risk of coming infected but not all states have adopted the Johns Hopkins Criteria and governors beginning the process of jump starting their economies. Say they're doing so slowly and responsibly. Incorporating the advice of medical experts Michigan is not among the states taking steps to reopen and that has set up a clash between Democratic Governor Gretchen. Whitmer and the Republican led Legislature Michigan House. Speaker Lee Chatfield called. The governor's approach handed now. We believe you can prioritize public health yet. Be reasonable and your approach to fighting cove and this week. The legislature sued the governor after she extended emergency stay at home orders by Executive Order until May Twenty Eighth Chatfield said by state law only the legislature can extend a state of emergency and widmer's order was unconstitutional Supreme Court. Justice Ruth Bader. Ginsburg is back home today after being discharged from a Baltimore Hospital. The eighty seven year old received nonsurgical treatment. Johns Hopkins Hospital for infection caused by a tone. She participated in oral arguments by phone from her hospital room on Wednesday. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced last night. That agents have arrested a father and son in the fatal shooting of an African American men in February. The GBI I said Gregory and Travis McMichael had been arrested for the murder of twenty five year old Ahmad artery and the coastal town of Brunswick a video released. This week showed two white males in a truck pursuing armory before shooting him. The men told police that they believed armory matched the description of a burglary suspect and Travis. Mcmichael claimed he fired in Self-defense. A grand jury is expected to hear evidence. In the case. Next month I'm scuffing JEN and straight ahead. The consequences of America's declining marriage rate was Christian musicians find new ways to share their music while stuck at home. This is the world and everything in. It's Friday the eighth of May Twenty twenty glad to have you along for today's edition of the world and everything in it. Good Morning. I'm nick and I'm Megan. Basham last week Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released a report showing that the US marriage rate has tumbled to an all-time low and it is a plunge rates. Dropped six percent in two thousand eighteen alone. Several factors may have contributed to the drop. One REMOVING THE STIGMA. From premarital sex and living together has taken some of the pain out of delaying wedlock two young women may be unwilling to commit to young men who increasingly have less education and poor career prospects than they do three studies. Show that most Americans no longer view marriage as intrinsically good for society culture Friday and time now to welcome John Stonestreet. The President of the Colson Center for Christian worldview. John Good Morning Good Morning. Well that Pew study that Megan just made reference to is pretty stark. I mean we see that half of respondents agree with this sentence. Society is just as well off if people have priorities other than marriage and children now. Of course we know purely factually that that is just not true We know that marriage researchers have been sounding the alarm about our declining marriage rate and how it's an objectively bad thing we know that married people for example are more financially stable. We know they're healthier. We know their children. Experience better emotional and educational outcomes but let me zero in on this kids of married. Parents are eighty percent less likely to live in poverty so John I want to get your take on how we got here and how we can encourage more people to get married. Well I think this would be the greatest tragedy if this cove nineteen pandemic closed Christian colleges If you want more young people to get married Senator Chris. I'm serious I I'm not saying that's the only reason to send them there. But it's a significant reason to send them there Look there's a lot behind this. This isn't a new trend. This is a longtime decline. This is clearly associated with two things a growth in a more secular worldview across culture for example we've seen that throughout Europe where marriage rates and Childbearing rates have been in steady decline. Not only that. But with the growth of the sexual revolution and both of those things are directly connected. You know. I often say when I speak to. Students got good news and bad news. The good news is the divorce rate is going down. The bad news is it's because and they all know is fewer people are getting married the thing behind it though ideologically is essentially. That marriage itself has lost its distinctive. I actually got private message on facebook from LESBIAN PRIEST OR LESBIAN PASTOR. I guess in the United Church of denomination the other day. Chiding me on my views on traditional marriage And she made the statement that marriages basically nothing more than a loving relationship between two humans. And when you reduce it down to that then marriage is no more distinct than you know. If you have strong feelings for you know of of Camaraderie with your tennis partner or your neighbor or your siblings or anything else The distinctive of marriage. It's it's inherent connection with procreation. The fundamental divorce of the sexual revolution has been to divorce procreation from marriage. And when you do that and then you redefine marriage. That's that's the extending marriage to same sex couples Is a redefinition. It's not just an expansion That's also why the idea that marriage can be easily replaced by cohabitation which is a much bigger problem by the way then. Same sex marriage in my view just because it's much more pervasive than that leads to another. Finding a pew study found several years ago which I think really gets to the heart of this where For the first time in history a majority of Americans thought marriage to be irrelevant. And that's different than even seeing it as good or bad. That's different than saying that it needs to change so that it's not an instrument of you know patriarchy That's saying that it actually doesn't play a role in the world assuming that it's a social construct rather than as much a part of the created world as say gravity. Now John I read a great piece about all this from Andrew. Walker titled Undoing the Genesis Mandate and. I mentioned it because I've seen a number of think pieces in Christian publications recently basically saying. Hey everyone let's stop overvaluing marriage and family now. It feels like okay. They may have a point in the abstract. We don't WanNa make our spouses or children or diminish those who aren't married or parents but every time I see an article like that I do kind of wonder what culture are they talking to because from where I sit and from where the research sits we have a lot of people including Christians overvaluing singleness not as gods rare calling for a few but really just as a casual and increasingly popular option. And it always makes me think of old affectionate uncle scrooge tapes advice. Young worm would direct the fashionable outcry of each generation against those vices of which it is least endanger. Have them running? About with fire extinguishers whenever there is a flood so what do you think John has the church? Been bringing fire extinguishers to a flood or maybe better for this situation are we bringing diet books to a famine. Feeling whenever I hear that it's kind of like one time when someone said you know. I think the problem with youth groups is that there are too intellectual and I'm like please take me to the youth group. That is spending too much time unapologetic. But Anyway I. It's similar to that but I I think it might be actually a little different. I don't buy the we've worshiped marriage and family but I know where it's coming from. It's coming from the fact that we have not elevated are calling is human beings at every stage of life in a cultural context in which people are getting married later and later and later so you have kind of the lost generation of your out of youth group. You're supposed to go to big boy church and you know what's in it for me. Singles are not treated as adults because largely So many churches have bought into the perpetual adolescence of our cultural norms and which is really a damaging thing and basically put them on the shell unless they of course have gone outside of the traditional church context through something like why am or something like that where they're immediately mobilized to go kind of live out their twenty s on mission but there's not a value of the work and that's where I know where it's coming from. I really do it. Basically means there's not enough programs are not enough emphasis on the calling of singleness in that time period of life particularly for young women. But I don't think what's true is that we worshiped marriage and family. I think that much more accurate description of what's gone wrong is that we fundamentally misunderstood marriage and family as a society and that fundamental misunderstanding has come into the Church. So what you hear is for example marriage. Talked about in all kinds of functional. Practical ways We have marriage seminars on how to have marriage how to do marriage marriage. Better how to love your spouse how to have better finances and a better sex life and everything else and what's been missing is a fundamental teaching catechism on what marriage itself is so the culture has been defining marriage so most evangelical people in the pews often will then think of marriage in the same way that the culture does that. It's an institution of adult happiness that it's completely untethered from anything like procreation. So that's why premarital counseling you know essentially never deals with that topic other than to say. Now do you guys? WanNa have kids or not and do you agree. Look the idea of an intentionally childless marriage until the last maybe fifty years in Christian denominations would have been unthinkable it would have been unheard of because there is a fundamental understanding that marriage itself is a creation ordinance. And because we've lost that sort of understanding I think that's led to for more problems so And Andrew piece that marriage is connected to the genesis mandate is exactly right I. I share this some of the skepticism on the the worship of marriage but I think the problem is different. I don't think as we worship did or not worship it I I I think. We've just fundamentally misunderstood it. And so we're teaching it. Almost an exclusively functional way including by the way in trying to prepare young people for marriage. The emphasis is on absence and so often. The sales pitches is if you play by God's rules now will guarantee you a healthy and happy marriage and sex life later on as if there's some kind of Sexual Prosperity Gospel. The point is our happiness again. See a starts with the fundamental misunderstanding of marriage. To begin with. I think it's at the source of almost all of our problems that the most important thing the church can do is back up. It's kind of like you know Vince. Lombardi in the Green Bay packers locker room backing up and going gentlemen. This is a football and we need backup and go on this marriage. Because that's what we forgot. Johnstone Street is president of the Colson Center for Christian worldview. John Thank you so much. Thanks guys well. While many kids cooped up in the House of Ben. Passing the time by playing video games a young man in Milan. Italy had different idea. Nine year old LUPO Dettori made video game as he explained the game takes place against the backdrop of Stars and planets. He and his friends at the controls of virtual spaceships shooting lasers to try to destroy the enemy which happens to be menacing. Read round blob with protein spikes yet kind of matches the description of a molecular coveted nineteen. But it is bigger than the spacecraft. So it's a challenge for them young LUPO SHARES OF PASSION FOR COMPUTER PROGRAMMING WITH HIS DAD. He said he watched online tutorials to help him build the code. The fourth grader said normal. He's very active outside the house skiing swimming practicing karate. But under lockdown orders he needed to find something else to do. It's the world and everything today is Friday may eighth thank you for turning to World Radio Dallas Star today. Good Morning. I'm Nick Eicher and Megan Basham coming next on the world and everything in it a true story with some big lessons for today's media from all the president's men to spotlight realized tales of intrepid journalists bringing down corrupt powers are entertainment staples but HBO's new made for cable movie. Bad Education stands out not just because a list lead Hugh Jackman turns in a big screen where the performance but because in this case the reporter who breaks the story yeah. She's a teenage girl race. Dinner all this a research. These are invoices from the school district. The school district invoiced over a million dollars lab equipment supplier a player. Young Rachel Rights for her high school newspaper. The power she helps take down as the administration of her own school district which also happens to be one of the highest ranked in the nation as New York magazine reported in the article that inspired bad education. A diploma from Roslyn. High School is the closest you can get on long island to a ticket to Harvard. So it's no surprise that parents and school board members are happy to pretend they don't see the idiosyncrasies in their superintendents personality they don't see the expensive suits the face lift the fad diets. They're also willing to overlook the discrepancies in his business managers accounting. Why rock the boat when the Ivy League keeps calling and the property values keep rising as far as real estate especially Long Island town is only as good as school system after everything? We've years that it's taken to to get this far our kids we're talking about. That's not good enough for junior. Journo Rachel when she's assigned story on a new sky bridge that will connect the junior high to the high school. She isn't content to just print the promotional quotes school staff giver. Instead she heads down to the administration building basement and starts digging through files that I she thinks. She's only an early some fishy construction spending but as she does the paper trail she discovers that beloved superintendent disowns entire life is a lie wrapped in propaganda inside a con. Just wondering. Can I get the Katie Basement? Again is look up a few more things. It's this four Rachel just for some stuff. I wanted to verify can answer your questions Okay well did the math and it looks like this guy walks going to end up costing around eight million dollars some five short right. It just seems like a lot of resources to be spending on cosmetics cosmetics people love the skywalk the beacon loves the Skywalk. That was a nice poll. You guys right but the ceilings of the high school are still leaking and some of the classrooms had to get shutdown. Sounds like you should bring that up your student government. There was also the pizza oven what I saw a line item in the expense reports for a pizza oven than I asked Paul in the cafeteria. And she said she knew nothing of it along with frequent language to soanes secret. Long-term relationship with one man and short-term encounters with another merit mature audiences rating several scenes. Show the men kissing now that understandably might keep some Christian viewers away but it is an accurate depiction of the real to someone's life and it isn't used to an agenda instead the entire story offers a sharp illustration of the purpose of journalism. Rachel's real name is Rebecca Rambam. And she wasn't quite the Nancy drew portrayed in the film but in both the true story and the movie. This young reporter gets that the purpose of journalism isn't advocacy. It doesn't matter how much great work Dr Disown is done or how good the skybridge project will be for her school so about yesterday. Yeah that was said but it is very important that you be honest. I was following up on the list address. I school contractor. Why are we doing that? It's public record. Anyone can take that. I asked you why it's something I'm writing. I think you have real potential just sound. No serious Violence who comes has a long way since September. You confidence strength of ability. Thank you know you have a tremendous future ahead of you Rachel you do. But he's still young too. Which is why you need to know. And I mean this if you go public with some of the you don't fully understand it'll come back on you hard. There's an old reporting adage credit to everyone from William Randolph hearst. To George Orwell news is what someone wants suppressed everything else is advertising. A little digging turns up the truth. We don't really know who said it first. But it definitely wasn't hearst her or well. The earliest record of the saying comes from an anonymous sign that sat on the desk of Chicago Herald Editor in nineteen eighteen. But knowing that some great luminary didn't coin the phrase doesn't make it less relevant. Rachel manages to scoop all the local papers and new stations in our area because she's willing to shine a light on the things everyone else thinks should stay hidden for the good of the cause. Turns out media. Powerhouses can learn a lot from high school girl. Today is Friday aide. Good morning this is the world and everything in it from listener supported world radio. I'm Megan Basham and I'm Nick Eicher. This time of year many Christian bands would be preparing for summer concerts in large auditoriums and outdoor amphitheaters weeks of social distancing of all that planning to a halt many Christian artists were just beginning their national and international tours when the pandemic broke. And now they're having to find new ways to share their music. Here is world reporter Myrna Brown pressure after nearly thirty years of leading worship. This might be a first for singer-songwriter Matthew with Sharing the stage with Emily West. His wife of nearly eighteen years low everybody. When the corona virus began to spread throughout the United States West was in Trenton. New Jersey in the middle of a multi city tour. You know everything just kind of came crashing down in our world right there and we received word that are not only what our concert be postponed but our entire tour was going to be postponed. So back home in Nashville. West says his early morning routine changed. His wife was the first to notice. My instinct was to wake up and first thing in the morning. Turn on the news. He's like look. Maybe that's not the best way to start our day like you're stressing yourself out and then you're stressing the whole family out like you got to lead better than that. And that's when West began quarantine. Quiet time so her. Your g daily morning devotional recorded in his home studio using smartphones guitar and his social media platforms. Just yesterday was like just people watching from Brazil and and Wisconsin and you know New Jersey and just you know the Philippines and but West says people watching facebook and instagram one more than his music. All Right Listen. Would you read question? Then we're going to close in prayer together one morning as many as twenty seven hundred comments and prayer requests were posted on his facebook page. We all have an opportunity right now to to not only Find Peace in this uncertain time in our personal lives but to to be peace for somebody else singer-songwriter Michael Tyler knows. Peace can be found stillness to students. But Living Out Psalm. Forty six ten doesn't come easy for the South East Texas husband and father of three. I'm a guy who's constantly moving and shaking and running and doing things in that kind of stuff. So this whole shutting down thing as much as I am loving the rest of being able to spend time with my family It kind of makes me feel like I don't have enough value. Pandemic Tyler released a new album to but it's this song. Written seven years ago went from playing in in front of a thousand people On a tour to setting up my phone in my bathroom and so it's definitely a different audience than what I was expecting. But the Tyler says more than seventy five hundred. People listen and responded to his spontaneous powder room performance he says. The lockdown has sparked another rhythm in his life. I don't WanNa look back on this quarantine. If elected I lost months of my life last nine. We're about to go to bed. And we decided to move the furniture out of the way and we had a NERF war last night nights at the holcomb household are for singing. A my husband was like. Hey we're GONNA sing our way through this crisis and we're going to do it in our kitchen after we put our kids to bed every night. And we'RE GONNA call it kitchen covers so we standing in front of the kitchen counter with a vase of freshly cut flowers drew holcomb plays guitar and sings to part harmony with singer. Songwriter Ellie Hokum. The Mary dual says they're thankful technology keeps them connected to their nineteen thousand youtube subscribers and no social media can be a mixed bag it can bring a lot of comparison and a lot of darkness as well but I think there has been. We've I think a lot of us are using it to bring light in connection and hope to people blur he. Hey friends it's cody and Kerry and we are so excited to be with you and your church today and because of technology married. Couple cody kearns and carry. Job are leading worship and churches around the world get started noticing that a lot of smaller churches. They're just not used to streaming doing live worship online for their churches. Not a lot of churches were set up for that job says since making their living room inspired worship sets available for free online churches in sixty countries have responded. There were eighteen hundred registrations for downloading. Them I mean I know. We saw a few in India in South Africa Australia sing back in Nashville. Matthew says the lockdown has changed Christian music's platform but not its purpose. Look my normal. Way of encouraging. People is on a stage in a city somewhere. And that's been taken away but you know that doesn't mean that God can still use those. Who given a voice to and here's the best part. He's given a voice to all of us in the his glow reporting for world off a Myrna Brian. Well it takes a lot of people and a lot of effort to put this program together. Each week's thanks very much to our team Maria. Bayer Joel Bells Myrna Brown. Paul Butler can't Covington. Kristen Flavin Kim Henderson. Anna Joe Hansen Lee Jones trillion you Bell O.`Neil Ao he Kerry Phony Pritchett. Mary Reichardt Sarah Weinsberg and Emily Whitman. Production help this week from Tony. Perkins and David Bonds are audio engineers. Are Johnny Franklin and Carl Pete's managing editor JC DEREK AND EDITOR IN CHIEF? Marvin Alaska keep all on track. And it's you make it all possible. You have our gratitude second. Chronicles reminds us that the eyes of the Lord run throughout the Earth to give strong support to those whose heart is blameless toward him. Have a great weekend.

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Who Will Win the Biden Veepstakes?

WSJ Opinion: Potomac Watch

30:57 min | 1 year ago

Who Will Win the Biden Veepstakes?

"Facts allow you to make decisions in unpredictable times. Get the facts you need from the Wall Street Journal from pre corona video updates to daily deep dives and our podcasts videos. WSJ is a trusted source in uncertain times visit wsj.com. From the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal this is Potomac. Joe Biden says he'll announce his choice for vice president next week and what did we learn from attorney general bill bars trip to Capitol. Hill. Welcome. I'm Kyle Peterson with the Wall Street Journal sitting in today for Paul Zhigo. We are joined as usual by my colleagues Kim Strassel. Hi. Kim Hi Kyle and bill mcgurn hello. Bill Hi Kyle. With the Democratic National Convention Coming Fast in August Joe Biden has confirmed now that next week he will announce his running mate. So the veepstakes game is in full swing Biden had previously committed to choosing a woman as his vice president but before we talk about some of the specific contenders, bill will start with you. What are some of the principles that you think he ought keeping in mind for choice like this well I think the principles that he ought to be keeping in mind or the exact opposite of the. City is keeping in mind look our boss Paul, Zhigo would like to pick Gina Raimondo, the the Rhode Island governor who's more moderate than most of them and part of his reasoning is you know with legitimate worries about Joe. Biden's. In. A when when he selects the vice president, he may, in fact, be selecting a president and I agree with that I i. think she would be the best of all them. But I think Joe Biden's criteria what you're seeing what the principles and so forth I think unfortunately because he started down the road of identity politics and I think he's trapped by that as an aging white male under his principles I think I think at this point he he promised to pick a woman. And I, think it's even more confined than that. I think that there'll be a backlash in the party unless he picks an African American women. Now there are there many many Contenders out there people mentioned Susan Rice and so forth but I I don't think I don't think that's good i. think he's caught between two things someone like Jim Ryan Dough itself might might help underscore the the moderate credentials that actually won him the nomination, but I think he's afraid that if he strays too far from this that they'll be a Lotta people saying he sold out And so forth and wanted a woman of color in that, and the problem is once you've accepted those principles, it's very hard to stray from them and I think that's what he's caught between because he feels that a vice president Personal collar could help the the turnout for him could it could could excite the the African American base, and so forth in a way that someone else might not But on the other hand, the question is depending on who he picks. He could alienate a lot of people looking out there and seeing a lot of disorder in our streets and so forth and kind of the middle class. Part that he's also hoping to appeal to. So I think he's real I. I think it's a tough choice. You know generally vice presidents don't really help you your pick they frequently can hurt you and become conference but generally, no one says they won the election because of this vice president. So it's A. It this this year. Particularly I think it's a tough choice form. And the idea of of balancing the ticket as you're talking about bill picking someone with a house in Florida for example, a key swing state seems like more of an old school way of going about it that matters less and less. In an age of really polarized politics and where there's a huge national media market but as for the first thing you mentioned. I mean, surely by the knows that he's potentially picking the next president of the I guess the subsequent President of the United States, I mean. Biden. If he wins, he will be on his first day in office. He will be the oldest president in history beanie Ronald Reagan, and at the end of his four-year term he'll turn eighty two years old. So you know if this if his if his health is fine and we hope it will be fine that far. It's not clear whether he'll. He'll want to run for another term in which case his vice president will be in a pretty good position potentially. So Kim I mean don't you think he knows that whenever he announces this person a lot of Americans their a question they'll be asking themselves is. Not, not only is this a good running mate for Joe. Biden is this person up to the job of being president? Absolutely, and that's why when you look at the contenders out there, you have the the criteria that Joe Biden has himself laid out, and we do know what that is. He has said that he wants a partner someone who shares his policy priorities and his governing priorities someone that is going to be willing and able to take on key administrative initiatives. He's made it. Clear he's going to a point to this person as a in charge of certain parts of his administration and he has also talked about the age issue and saying that he he wants a running mate who in his horses ready to be president from the very first day, which has acknowledged that you know this person could well be presidents from not long after the first day. But then in in addition to that, there are all the things that usually play in two or more traditionally as you said, Kyle. Play into some of these. Choices, and in this case I, think that they actually are magnified bed in the race one of those geography because I think the still could be a hard-fought race and and there is some I I agree with bill your vice president doesn't usually win you win election but if you've got one safe from the Midwest and you have a Lotta battleground states like in Wisconsin and Michigan in their name recognition does that help The, that is certainly something that would factor in and then you get to the age issue and and in this case I think it's an even bigger deal not just because of Biden's own age but because of the shifting nature of the Democratic Party and you have seen. A real demand out there especially among the progressive wing or more of a generational change There was a lot of criticism during the primary that the two contenders were too old white guys Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden, Joe Biden, spin around for ages and ages, and there's a risk there. He falls into the same trap of Hillary Clinton in the American simply are tired of the the same names again and again in these elections Joe Biden span running for president numerous. Times Ben, the Vice President for eight years. So do you get someone that's also younger and more fresh face and does that help you get that younger vote out but the risk there is picking someone who's young fresh face fresh-faced. It might be someone who is not really tested and proves. Not really great in a national campaign not able to hold up to the media scrutiny. I mean. You're hearing a lot of chatter about sort of Prokop precautionary principle here that Biden should take a look at the hippocratic oath and I do no harm mean he's up eight point eight points naturally in realclearpolitics average. And you know those right that it? A vice presidential pick doesn't really help. You can hurt you then there's something to be wary of. To turn to some of the specific candidates that are being gendered about notable this week, two things, politico I accidentally reported that but Biden comal Harris and said that his announcement. In his announcement he called Harris quote a worthy opponent and worthy running-mate unquote. Political, apologized and said that this was placeholder texts that was mistakenly published but it's it's very specific interesting I mean it's it's if reporters are writing placeholder text generally they don't at least in my experience makeup specific quotes like that. And then separately, Biden at an event Tuesday he was was there with some notes which in AP Associated Press photographer got a shot of his notes which showed some bullet points about Comma Harris including quote do not hold grudges campaigned with me and Jill talented great help to campaign. Great respect for unquote So bill, what about what about Common Harrison? Do you think any of these? Any this chatter means anything Reasonable choice for Joe Biden. I mean I personally think that she definitely in the mix, I? mean she was a candidate and so forth does have some support. But again, he's caught there many in the black community look at her as solely a prosecutor and as a prosecutor who locked up a black men. So there's a little check mark against her. So if you're picking her to kind of shore up your African Americans support, you risk dividing that support over. Kamala Harris I. Think there are probably better picks for for him than than senator, Harris but we'll see but it's the kind of thing that that he has to weigh You know again in the end as I say if you look at, for example, Sarah Palin, who became the a real target for the other campaign as flawed as a vice presidential candidate may be and I think in the end, it showed that Sarah Palin didn't really cost McCain the election what cost McCain the election was John McCain ran very wishy washy campaign was unclear what he stood for because some of the things like tax cuts he had voted against before. So I mean I think Biden could face that too if he makes a pick and this vice president takes all this heat I still think if he if he loses it would be because of Joe Biden there's many contradictions you know in his own record and so forth. So in some ways again I think this might be very exaggerated except the importance of this except that Joe Biden's case with the questions of Hell. It is more likely that who whom he picks may end up being president than maybe for for other candidates in the past. Wall to acknowledge both sides of the ledger for Kamla Harris I mean on the on the plus side, she's definitely a national figure people know who she is. She ran her own presidential campaign. So she knows what that pressure feels like what it feels like to be on the debate stage under all those all those lights but Kim I. Mean Bill Bill brings up a her her record as a former prosecutor She was criticized particularly because of that for the joking around about her own past marijuana use. And she is pretty high negatives. There's one poll that shows that thirty two percent of people have a favorable favorable view of her and thirty four percent unfavorable. So she's she's already under water I mean is this would that be a breaking the do no harm principle. I think there's a real risk that it's a breaking the do no harm principle just because. Again Progressives at Ben in very very critical of her and her time as California attorney. General. And that was before we entered this period that we're in where there so much focus on law enforcement and whether or not there is equal justice in that is certainly a a rallying cry among the Progressive Community you know in particular they point to the fact that she did not back state legislation that required would have required independent investigations of cases where police officers killed people, and you can bet that will that will be highlighted among many progressives who argue it's a reason not to vote for her I mean I think one of the other things too is just that. remember yes she was vetted and know nobody managed to on earth anything about her that was truly disqualifying. So she's been in the spotlight but at the same time, her campaign was also a bit of a mess It's easy to forget that a few months on lots of staff, infighting, lots of leaks. And, the Biden campaign you know his very much put a premium on itself having a discipline at least in terms of the campaign itself, the their their candidate can be a little less disciplined when he's out talking. but this could also be a potential risk because obviously vice-presidents bringing their own teams often and Is She gonNA end up becoming a liability to the campaign hang tight. We'll be right back. You're listening to Potomac Watch from the Wall Street Journal. Robotics artificial intelligence augmented reality. The future is here listen tomorrow today with the Wall Street Journal's future of everything podcast that takes you to the frontlines of science and tech and shows you what's coming next. Look ahead, what do you hear the future of everything from the Wall Street Journal Subscribe Wherever, you get your podcasts. From the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal, this is Potomac Watch welcome back. Another of the candidates that is getting a hard look is Susan Rice the former national security adviser in the Obama Administration and the case there I gather would be that Susan Rice is someone who knows Biden. who he worked alongside he probably Truss. And that she worked in foreign policy, which is an issue that he cares about has cared about for decades going back to his Senate Senate days but she's never run for elected office before and so quite untested in that sense bill what do you make of prospects? Well, look I think she's a serious candidate for this is in general emerson that. Is Very dubious about appointing vice presidents and so forth naming people who've never held elective office. I worked in a White House. I was not elected a new a lot of people that were very smart very talented but it changes when you're when you have to face in election, you find out a lot more about this person you know when they have to put themselves out there in a very, very different way. I do think that Susan Rice might be one of those one of those names that might actually do harm on the one hand in favor of her she has establishment credentials having served in the Obama Administration very popular for Democrats on the other hand for opponents. You know she's she's tied with Benghazi. Attorney General. Bill. Bar just announced a new special counsel for. The unmasking you know which she's involved at God knows if it's going to come out. what's going to come out in the the the new report on the FBI investigation She sent this very dubious email the lesson I could see her becoming the subject of a lot of attack ads because she really riles. I think him would agree really riles Republican opponents in a way the other candidates they might disagree with but don't. It is it does strike me that that would not be quite turning the page I mean she's younger. Cam, but younger than Joe Biden next generation but still sort of an Obama administration throwback which opens up. The door to a lot of attacks on what the Obama. Administration's foreign policy was in her role in it. She also to on that point she she breaks Joe Biden's own criteria for what he wants out of a vice president in the he e e people keep mentioning that she's experienced and foreign policy Joe Biden puts a premium on foreign policy but Joe Biden has also said he wants somebody that's going to balance out his ticket and and so she's she's not that person she has almost no experience in any other areas beyond foreign policy she's never run for elected office before she would not be able to serve, for instance, Joe's Bhai Liaison to the Progressive Caucus within the congress. And knowledge on domestic political issues is is pretty much nonexistent. Is just not her thing. So I still think it's a very. I think that that's more remote of a possibility even though she's getting a lot of attention, the press well has for liaisons to the Progressive Caucus in the Congress what about Elizabeth Warren I mean the case there I guess would be. Sort of a progressive unity ticket. But died himself has already worked really hard to win over the left after getting the nomination. Adopted, some of Warren's plans wholesale on his own. So Bill I, mean I see why progressives would push for her but I wonder if that would alienate more voters than it would bring in if by even even needs that to shore up his left flank. Yeah I'm not sure he needs it or in the specific sense I'm not sure that he needs Elizabeth. Warren. I think he does need to keep the left. Happy. I mean I think his ideal candidate would be an African American woman who is considered progressive but doesn't scare people the way that some of the other progressives do and especially in the way. Stacey Abrams might, for example, that would be the ideal candidate again, I don't I don't see Elizabeth Warren to. Know on the ticket to white candidates at a time when the party is consumed by identity politics I, don't see that helping him with those progresses I. Think you'd be attacked in certain quarters before so and if he wants to short again, the Progressive Wing again I think they're probably stronger. Names out there that Elizabeth Warren. Well, what about some of these other names than I mean many of them are lower-profile sixty, four percent of people in one poll of never heard of Val demings. So, they're defined at least in the public mind at this point more by their biographies but. Val. demings, Florida congresswoman a former Orlando police chief. She's in the new Democrat coalition might reassure some voters in the center There's Tammy Duckworth. Illinois? Senator Iraq war veteran. thai-american daughter of an immigrant There's. The La Congresswoman progressive may be without being as polarizing Elizabeth Warren interestingly. So she's sixty six years old then told the Atlantic that even if she were chosen as vice president, she she would not envision herself running for President and twenty, twenty, four or twenty, twenty, eight. So. That would be a different way to go. Then this generational change, Kim Dan Danny those names jump out at you or anybody else on the list I've been really intrigued by Val demings who again as congresswoman from Florida. And she was selected by Nancy Pelosi to prosecute the impeachment case against. Donald. Trump. So she did have a little bit of a turn in the sun there and got into the national political conversation i. like the fact I'm kind of intrigued by the fact that you know she is. A former COP. And at both African American and a COP, which could conceivably act as guard for Biden against some of the trump campaign's growing ads arguing that there's going to be lawlessness under a at Biden Presidency and that trump is the law and order candidate then. Again, on the other side when I look at her, she doesn't have a lot of experience I think she this is she's only in her second term and the member of the House of Representatives and at the same time maybe could her cop background also? Work against her in a time of black lives matter. Especially, her husband. who was also a police chief before her served as a sheriff in Orange? County. Florida so will people be running through that record to find out you know are there cases unresolved cases in? Does that common? Does it in the end violate again the do no harm principle. What about you bill? Are there any of these maybe lower profile names that you think might fit Joe Biden's bill. Well I I'm not as familiar with the Democratic candidates Price I actually think not having you know being a little known I think a biography might be. More helpful then being so well known and so forth because again, then you become much more of a target. if you if you have more of a biography that's kind of inspiring, the chosen chievements and so forth i. think that that for vice president for Joe Biden that might be a little better than having sort of uncomfortable positions that you would have to modify or reject and so forth. So I I sort of think he needs to play at a little safe because I think he's fraught he's caught between you know party moving progressively left. An electorate that I'm not sure as we're that party is going and wants a little more reassurance about his moderate credentials. So I would I would probably be more friendly to some of these less less less well known or less flashy candidates for president. Let's turn to what's happening on Capitol Hill on two big hearings. This Week were waiting on the testimony of the big four tech CEOS we have their written statements waiting on on them to that hearing to start but bill bar attorney general bill bar was on the hill Tuesday for a very contentious hearing. I, there was a funny line in the Journal News story saying that he quote at times appeared bystander unquote at his own hearing. So. I Kim, how do you think that that billboard held up there? Well to the extent that Bill Bar was even allowed to open his mouth and that was a very rare moment. Indeed, he was magnificent and I think in fact that that is probably why you saw the circus that you did on Tuesday. Democrats claim to have been waiting months to interview here him and get his answers on important questions and they in particular wanted to try to press the claim that Bill Barr. This is a very popular democratic talking point that bill bars politicized the Department of Justice given. His involvement in in both the. Looking at what happened back in two thousand sixteen but also the fate of certain people that were investigated and targeted by the the Muller Team including Mike Michael Flynn former national security adviser Roger. Stone. Whose sentence was reduced. By the Department of Justice Recommendations to the judge, and so they wanted to hit on that. They also wanted to hit on the Department of Justice, and its role in sending a federal law enforcement out to guard a number of of buildings out Portland in Seattle and the claims of democratic local officials this aggravated all the violence, etc.. The problem for them is that became pretty readily apparent that the bill bar was more than prepared to answer those questions and to put the law in front of them and to defend everything that he had done and he's just a very good person in under pressure like that his his face never wavers. He's always he's got a very sharp mind and you know he he's not easily riled and so he's very matter of fact. And he makes very good witness and so what is devolved into was just a an. Long Hectoring lecture of him and every time he would open his mouth The Democrats would say you know I'm I'm calling back my time retaining my time cutting them off so that he couldn't speak and I, it really was a bit of a farce I i. don't think it was a good look yet again for Jerry Nadler in the House Judiciary Committee which every time a holds one of these hearings it seems to backfire on them. Again to my I bill bar looked like an old pro here defending his department's actions in Portland Oregon, the the need to defend the federal courthouse they're. Defending the Department of Justice's actions in the Roger Stone case. In the Michael Flynn case saying that he wasn't influenced by the White House. Bill or any other notable moments that that stuck out to you as I say I think he He did announce that he's looking into the unmasking. I think there I don't think those moments were as important as the overall. The overall hearing I mean you could be forgiven watching that if you thought you were watching a Saturday night live parody of it with Democrats. Just asking a question and then screaming reclaiming my time one attorney general try to answer it I mean it's a big deal to have the attorney general of the United States testify and having A. Televised in the the purpose is supposed to be to extract information and yesterday ages looked ridiculous I. think that his response was was was tremendous. I mean most of the time when he spoke, he tried to clarify facts you know and and reject or restate you know what they, what the questioners had asserted as truth to make distinctions, and of course, he wasn't allowed to do that most of the time but the expressions on his face I mean I think is what would viewers watching at home would have thought this is ridiculous. This is a clown show and I think he handled it superbly You know when you when you faced with something like that to to to not recognize what it really is is is always a mistake and I think he handled the he mostly kept his cool and his facial expression show. He knew exactly what it was I mean they wouldn't even give him a break to grab a bite to eat. One point. It was just absurd. Look. Not a good look for the Democratic Party I think on the question of unmasking bar confirmed that he that US attorney in western Texas John Bash is now looking into. The Obama. Administration's on masking of names on these transcripts these intelligence transcripts. Can you just remind people with the story there is and the importance of this. Shore so yeah John Bash is the US attorney for the western district of Texas, and going to be looking into is the the huge volume of unmasking that took place by Obama officials just prior to and just after the two thousand, sixteen election and unmasking is. you have a US citizen who speaking to someone in foreign country a foreigner we sometimes monitor the conversations of these foreigners. Let's say in this example Michael Flynn talking the incoming national security adviser talking to the Russian ambassador to normal thing for incoming security advisers to do we sometimes top the phones of prominent foreign officials though it in theory under the law, the person who they're speaking. To the US citizen, their name is supposed to be masked You're not supposed to know who it is to protect the privacy of US citizens, but you can ask to if you are sitting in a positions in a government, you can ask to have the names unmasked to to look at it. There was a a an extraordinary number of these in the Obama. Administration these unmasking requests. and. Many of them centered on Michael Flynn I'm including people doing unmasking that really should have had no business. I'm asking like Vice President Joe Biden at one point Unmask Flynn conversation So they're taking a look at this to see if the unmasking power was abused If in fact, the Obama Administration was using this tool not necessarily to take care of foreign policy but to essentially snoop on an incoming administration and cause trouble for an incoming administration and this is very much in keeping but the naming of John Bash's in keeping with what bill bar is done with all of these kind of investigations which is to to choose very seasoned career? Prosecutors. To take a look at it. You got the US Attorney for Connecticut John. Durham looking broadly at the origins of the FBI's investigation into the trump campaign You also, Jeff Jensen who is US attorney in Missouri who was the person who did a review of Mike Flynn's case and ultimately made the recommendation that the Department of Justice withdraw it's lying charge against him. And I think this is also a source to the Democrats frustration because they'd like to suggest that Bill Bar has politicized the Department of Justice but in the end these decisions and these reviews are being conducted by people who are really kind of Rockstar prosecutors beyond reproach John Bash, for instance, the Guy who was just chosen to look at the unmasking he actually served as an assistant for five years to Brock Obama. Solicitor. General. So it's very hard to say that he some sort of you know Republican plant or or in on it and I think that makes it harder for Democrats to make their case and I. It's very annoying to them. All right. Thank you came in bill. Thank you all for listening. We'll be back later this week with another edition of Potomac. Watch.

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Ep. 096 - Not Again, Really? (NAR) and Bethel - the Final Hoorah

Christ is the Cure

39:10 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 096 - Not Again, Really? (NAR) and Bethel - the Final Hoorah

"I saw was really nice about is and everyone welcome back to the show the sexually episode ninety six m last week i had the pleasure of being on theology nights with brad weber again again a big thank you and there was a privilege is absolute honor to be invited to talk about the subject of the new apple solid reformation an vessel now if you listen to that episode which if you haven't i recommend it and i recommend you check out his work he does great work on and i pointed to a lot of other resources within that but 'em you'll hear some of the same stuff today a because this is going to be the the last hurrah third time's charm kind of thing on on my show about this topic i guess is the fourth time if you count the passion translation episode but i want this to be an all inclusive 'em will will see how long it is a but yeah well just jump right into it so a bit before we begin i think it's important to first talk about a the the signs miracles argument that the argument that signs of miracles must mean that these individuals are men of god god anointed doing god's work and we've talked about this on the show several times but like i said this is gonna be all inclusive today but i i wonder when everyone's dirani searching onetwothree if a profit or a dreamer of dreams rise among you any gives you a sign or wonder and that signer wonder that he tells you comes to pass and if he says let us go after other gods which you have not known and let us serve them you shall not listen to the words of that profit or the dreamer dreams so notice what what what's being said here even if the signer wonder comes to pass even if this prophecy comes the pass if it does happen but points you in a different direction a different gotcha serve a different god you ignore them this warning is the warning we need to take seriously judy 'em we see this consistency throughout scripture individuals doing signs or not of god we talked about this on the round table as well with alex and paul how he has signed the source were mimicking a miracles and then he even recognize that 'em that he did not have the same types of quote miracles as the apostles and then you look at the way that pharaohs a man in light of moses acted this throughout 'em throughout scripture but the priests about all and things like that but dinner on me makes it very clear if the sign or wonder point you to a different god do not listen to them and this is what's important with this movement because that is the most common argument you will hear well they do many signs miracles wonders and healings but at twenty two different jesus appointee to different father in points you two different holy spirit's we have talked a lot about this in the past i'm on instagram i have a battle highlight you could go check that out at christ dot is the doc you're another way 'em another thing that needs to be addressed is ministering in what way do these people minister 'em in most cases they say that they ministered ministered to them emotionally that's what ministry has become now and emotional appeal but many mr ministering is serving 'em so i don't really know how that connection accede plays out deaf initially but whenever something a minister you emotionally it doesn't mean that it's true a secular music minister to a to anyone 'em if you wanna define it that way if it made you emotionally comfortable or give you comfort that is not hey litmus test for truth on my back whenever i just i was heavily comfort emotionally to music 'em some have said that they have come to be saved in these conferences and stuff that in yeah i think you could definitely see that but i believe that every time that someone has been saved they come out and speak against those things and that's where we have lindsay davis tustin justin peter's 'em that's what we see the truth truth will leave them out docking use whatever he wants to say people a but those who are regenerate those who are saved will come out of these movements 'em in the last point is that experience is subjective so if something minister to you and you had some kind of experience problem is that that subjective and we need a compared to objective standard what is that objective standard but scripture reality is that hindus mormons new agers they all have experiences experiences that doesn't mean that they're from god in fact may have converted to jehovah's witnesses mormon mormonism is long because they're mystery of a through them in some she performed subjective a standard scripture so we talked about the new apple stock reformation on the show with brad and we said that you have soccer affirmation holds that god has given authority the church in new profits and apostles who are considered the channel divine revelation a this emphasizes miracles visions dreams extra biblical revelations have a variety of names i wanna point you to him instead of repeating everything that i said a pure wagner is kind of the heroes of faith ear there is a big a big get together where they all anointed todd bentley 'em to be a new leader in this movement and if you wanna reach up and interesting a history reid up on todd bentley but basically you see this formation of a coalition of apostles a which does charge money for memberships 'em none of they apostles could afford to be in a possible according to mike a or according to peter wagner's viewpoints but i think a big thing to note is that this isn't an argument at the office of of apostle has been around since the times a peter wagner's position was that this was a new age of second apostles so there's kind of like this gap in his theology that means that these the bosses like the early apostles and so there there was nothing in between kind of thing and that and that's an important distinction i make because a lot of people try to make it an argument about all of the office of apollo has continued on and in some ways you you see an apple stock succession and being played out through this new wave 'em known as you know and they are demean is in third wave letter rain canal joe's are army etc but what you see is that idea that you pass on annoying things and and that is that you have a succession of apostles but the big hallmark of this is networking a lot of people are involved in so it goes real deep in fact it's almost difficult to find people who aren't associated with this moment i wanna talk a little bit about bill johnson first we talked about this before 'em bill johnson is the senior pastor of bethel a any alters the message of the gospel 'em so he he really does at he is considering a possible release pastor of the bethel church in redding california i'm so we we wanna focus on him because he's a he's a big leader in this a he's a proponent of the word of faith movement because the word of fate prosperity gospel is basically what these guys are teaching just dress up in a different way but they're these all these individuals have a tendency to be dishonest especially whenever he says that he doesn't teach graves so he doesn't encourage it but we see a instances of his wife grave soaking will talk about rape soaking is here a little bit and we see a the founder of jesus culture saying that bill johnson was aware of it and so that that needs to be understood he also denies being apart then they are are being in a possible the problem is that pure wagner two thousand eight 'em called them the pillars of the church is a video you could find on it and you look at peter riding in two thousand eight and you see these individuals passing on and declaring people to be apostles and as foundations of this reformation now johnson holstered ancient heresy that says that a jesus stopped being god on earth in his book when it happened invades earth page eighty seventh radio he says jesus laid his divinity aside as he sought to fulfill the simon's given to him by the father 'em and face the face of god on page one away he says jesus set aside of divinity choosing settled as a man completely dependent upon god the removal of jesus deities a very serious error that needs to be considered really does johnson instead of jesus had no supernatural capabilities whatsoever perform miracles wonders and signed as a man in right relationship the god not as god 'em johnson has tried to save his position by saying that he believes that jesus says he's certainly god now that's unorthodox statement if you believe that jesus was also god on earth however 'em by saying that jesus somehow put away his duty somehow they immutable god put away his duty while on earth 'em commits a very serious 'em air in terms of the nature of jesus christ 'em now now knowing the prosperity aspects or you know the the focus on signs and wonders miracles really tells us why he needs jesus to be just a man he says as a in when have invasion on earth on the same page eighty seven eighty eight is vital to knows that he did all those miracles has a man not as god if he did the mets god i would still be impressed by because he did the math as a man you've got i am now unsatisfied with my life being propel the follow his example he has given us jesus is the only model for us the following so you could see how yeah or so so only followed 'em jesus but he has his point is on the miracles of jesus in that since jesus and his theology was just a man in my relationship with god he should do those miracles too because he is a man who needs to be in a right listen we got the issue is that jesus the signs and wonders were a means by which people recognize that he was god and so that's that's obviously issue 'em this this a heresy is really old 'em use it back in age in church it was that jesus lead behind some of his attributes as god but johnson takes airs further by stating that jesus was only a man i his justification is always in only his teaching that we gotta do greater signs of miracles which is really a misunderstanding of mishandling of john fourteen 'em for jesus or for johnson jesus is the only god prior to his incarnation following his rebirth which leaves in the next point that johnson teaches that jesus was born again this is a trademark of prosperity and where the teachers they teach that jesus suffering held for three days which is a misconception regarding a translation a if that a but that he suffered hell for three days and then he was reborn rama's regeneration generation at regeneration is being made spiritually alive is contradicts what johnson had said previously every generation has the means by which were made spiritually alive but jesus performing miracles imperfect relationship with god hey spiritually alive then we have an issue 'em regeneration is four dead centers when he brought to life so then there's several questions that come from this a free generation are for those who are dead and send regeneration would imply that jesus this was either sinful and not spiritually alive so you could see how this idea actually under cuts on johnson's theologies contradictory 'em so the biggest thing as whereas the gospel and how about you just listen to this clip 'em let me pull it up because sometimes it's better just the here it is this ministry of jesus that dealt with every single person when it came to him with affliction or torment he minister that's the only standards of fall so i i wanna point out right here that whenever he's talking about this he's talking about healing 'em and what what he says is just not true in fact vote we see is that whenever jesus goes to say the the pool of shiva i hope i'm pronouncing that correctly and john five out of all people sitting around this full waiting to be healed jesus healed one person in his own hometown heated he'll everyone he only he'll some a so that that needs to be addressed it immediately whenever relooking at this topic 'em and listen to what johnson's about say here let me back up one second to make sure we don't miss it 'cause i wanna talk about that to minister to the that's the only standards of fall i refused to create a theology is it allows the sickness he refuses this creative theology they'll offer cygnus first off we we don't refused to create a theology based off of what we want to be true that is his whole thing he doesn't want this to be true in fact later on and he'll say that any any message surge that teaches you can be sicker that god will illness in any shape or form is a false false gospel a we do not create theology theology is derived from scripture this is this is a claim that we should really take seriously the fact that he allows his presupposition his refusal to lead why he doesn't like in scripture 'em dictate how his theology is created that should be a red flag immediately anyone reads the bible says i refuse for something to happen it's like it's like meanwhile i refuse to jesus to be god or i refuse jesus to die on the cross then we're gonna redo the end of the tax if we come to the tax with that presupposition without believe were gonna create a theology that works around it that moves around the tax and find a different way oh jesus was just spiracy crucified oh jesus didn't claim to be got things like that that's exactly what people do whenever they make their own a cultish theologies that's exactly what that is 'em are golsen not do that are goal is to let the authoritative word of god speak for itself so that's how the water that's the one i here we got a problem only one smaller apostle paul warning deletions and he says he says if i he's the one who brought the gospel to you said if i or even an angel comes to you and preaches to a different gospel you would reject by his own admission is what he's about the say we need to reject him that's amazing an angel shows up and he brings you a different standard a different golf reject he says even if i come back to you and i changed my mind don't pay attention to me all right what gospel is the gospel of jesus the gospel of the kingdom okay keep in mind when he said he refuses crazy all allows sickness segway the sang that song preaches a different gospel alison how he connects at all let me illustrate paul refers to his foreign in the flesh which just been interpreted by many as disease allowed or brought on by god that's a different gospel jesus didn't mullet teacher i don't really know how he gets around pause thorn in the flesh but let's let's think about this 'em we see that timothy had a frequent illness and for seventy five twentythree directly underneath paul the student apollo the the spiritual son a paul had a frequent illness courses in the only situation second timothy for twenty there's other people who were ill under the the first episode gauge the only bostock age a joke teaches the sovereignty of god in that all things under control 'em and he he he changed this whenever he talks about jonah he says we don't follow john we follow jesus or joke sorry we don't follow joey follow jesus 'em once worth noting about that is that were not saying that we followed joe or or saying that we derive are understanding of who god is by the message that he declared digital goddess immutable the messaging gave the joke does not change 'em johnson against says that the claim that runs he's the counter was healed this this action contrary you see this matthew thirteen fifty eight like i said john a five 'em in the one problem is the simple fact that one of the promises of glorification the return of christ is removal sickness and revelation twentyone for now the irony is that of course johnson and his wife both wear glasses but in truth the cyber message has caused a lot of damages from individuals who who go to battle who are sick who want to be healed who believe this teaching because as you see this consistently and johnson's blog on whenever he's asked 'em you know does god ever choose not to heal his answer is no 'em you could you could look that up it's right there on his blog doug a you see this kentucky consistently is bay a b j m dot org look up a does got ever called cygnus is it always god's will be he'll soon and you'll see consistency 'em now i i want to point out that he places a heavy burden on other individuals to on his blog he says it cannot be state in more plainly those who believe in him will demonstrate signs and wonders so for those who are listening have you ever demonstrate designer wonder if you're answer is no then i guess you're just not a christian because you're not following christ away the johnson wants you to follow christ so we talked about this on 'em the next section on a friday nights with brad between the practices 'em will get into the practice but but bessul isn't really quiet about annuities teachings a they kind of keep it under wraps you know they're they're christian teric cards a they they tried they tried to hide it a couple of times but it's been shown to be obvious a new age fares a the bethel school supernatural ministry teaches dancing for atmosphere sphere alignment but the most prominent thing if you want to be able to measure someone who's confused about this topic get the book of a get the book the physics of having a friend the the preface was written by chris valid on socio earlier bethel endorsed by 'em jesus culture director and founder banning a i could never say his name who election are a steve wet leader of bethel in cleveland and build johnson benny johnson they wrote a chapters and we talked about some of these quotes on that basically this idea that the new age nutrients that we did not know you hear some quotes 'em we're now beginning hearing more and more revelation that is in line with what new agers had been saying all along and we're hearing more teachings about christians taking back shoes from new age that really belong to the citizens of the kingdom of god 'em it it wasn't that i want it to become a new major i just wanna find out maybe they had uncovered some truth of the church didn't i have found throughout scripture nearly seventy five examples of things at the new ages counterfeit it's such a spiritual a spirit guide trances meditation or owes our objects and more for these actually belong to the church but they had been stolen in cleverly repackage 'em this coming new sound just now isn't just something that you pick up their ears but it's great it anything you could understand it could change dna and so we are genetically growing up you're genetics are the same as his was are genetics come out of the father inner spiritual we are becoming like instrument being tuned where genetics are getting aligned with the father's you're next in harmony with him what this is is new age teaching that's exactly i mean they're obviously saying it but that's what that is i did that were all one the god of some type of universal and you could see this over and over again in different ways that battle presence of god the father and how were united with christ and things like that 'em i pointed out on the show to with brad the eastern mystery colts on they they usually attach themselves to eight got a got us a they got really popular in the fourth century and they tried to rival christianity the noticed this quote from nick needham two thousand years of christ power going one in the early church a mystery called involved the worshiper and close personal relationship with his daughter got us the worst physical duties made an overpowering appeal to the physical physical senses and feelings of the war spur involving song dance musical instruments public perceptions religious feasting ritualistic animal sacrifices in a group acts of sexual immorality worshippers optum fell into a static state of trans in prophecy as they took part in the warship a that sounds a lot like bethel today another one is narcissism based on secret knowledge the leaders have in this ancient heresy had a secret knowledge created they created philosophies and theology that showed the true way of salvation 'em the irony is combative this and his work against harris she's out stressing that claimed the secret knowledge what's not true first john who's written against now six most likely a in our make claims like these at these channels of postles and visitations of jesus we talked about in the past in translation a abso ninety one about how he received his vision from jesus who is supposed to make the news translation 'em you should go check that out if you having yet but nonstop that christians were ignorant of the spiritual nature and destiny that christ have a for for everyone if that doesn't sound familiar i don't know what will a month and they issues he gets a bad bad rap here in the second century a the the prophecies of the mountainous in the second century with priscilla maximum mainly focused on in times but they did have they 'em they making doctrinal statements but they they most likely replay monitor tears max over and against the end they are hyper charismatic which is an important distinction in mesa there there is a distinction between the two 'em you'll see bethel talk about a revival signs and wonders greenville johnson revival is atmosphere in which christ power is most likely to be manifested in his impossibly give adequate when this guy without demonstrating supernatural power when miracles their apps and so is the glory of god cornyn johnson if you do not have miracles you do not have the glory of god a which i thought the gospel muslim means of the glory i guess we won't talk about that 'em that's something that's desperately lacking king from from these groups is the gospel according to johnson the church has failed the world because it has not given adequate signs and wonders nine i wanna remind everyone that 'em jesus told people that a wicked generations six after signs well what's his all boils down to is that there's a really deadly elevation over 'em of experiences that were scripture 'em cornyn johnson guy wants to take us farther and we could only get there by following signs things are present understanding of scripture could only take us so far encourages christmas the stop focusing on quote are needed protect ourselves from deception in quote instead quote or hunger for him must be seen in are less will pursue a spiritual gifts in quote he criticizes the church for quote living and according to a an intellectual approach the scriptures avoided the whole experience influence in quote which quote leads to a false sense of security instead we're told to follow him we must be willing to fall off the map koby there'll be on what we know 'em on the show i i was going to be asked we don't have enough time why i think this is dangerous and it's because of the massive influence 'em we really they they're grabbing the younger generation in running away with it and you know before we before we talk about i wanna touch on this one issue there there is a denial that they are is actually a thing and and i think that they know these individuals know that what they're doing is against orthodoxy and i think they're aware of their implications of the theology and so my thought processes that they're laying low because they're aware this that bible believing christians were rejected mr open about what they believe and so they market 'em you know they're they're marketing to the next generation of we read these statistics i camera where so i won't call it the numbers but a there's a time when millennials in the next interational leaving the church because they couldn't find what they're looking for i would say that the the culture at the end they are has created fill that void of millennials the next generation had been seemed to be more experience oriented and that's exactly what these groups offer so instead of coming out and facing those who are 'em even scripture why not just raise up the next generation replace some certainly would be less work and i would say that what the way they operate this is what we see a for example we see the bethel school supernatural ministries based on ideas miracles of supernatural supernatural gift can be taught it's unaccredited it has thousands of students paying at least ten thousand dollars to complete each program teaches atmosphere shifting automatic writing if you don't know where the automatic writing is basically idea that you write down whatever it is that quote quote god gives you in your mind this is how sarah young road jesus calling 'em which she got her idea from god calling same mistake a type of a practice they teach oil laughter the hunting beryl getting drunk and the spirit christian chair courage waking angel spirit travel out of body experiences and even forgiving sins and there's been a consistent underlining idea that they forgive sins and they also have bethel worship university which offers instructions from brian johnson johnson bill excetera on how to have a lifestyle of warship which is actually just a lifestyle of music 'em in connection with bethel's version of lifestyle in theology bethel church has heavily put the emphasis on the musical division and it continues the influence warship teams in joel individuals into this network that is how they get around that is how they spread 'cause music is eight tool a very strong tool that the bethel conservatory of arts it's to fulfill a divine assignments that will impact the art world through acting in drama we see films coming out now a produced by bethel and people who are so so she was a battle 'em or they are the network its duty to go into without taking forever on this episode bethel christian school is probably the most alarming it's in elementary school that's been running since nineteen eighty eight in which students are given supernatural curriculum now the the school meets the california state standards there accredited but they also consider themselves ministry of bethel church amid align yourself with the teachings of bill johnson 'em and seth adele who is the youth pastor bethel i will talk a little bit about what some of the stuff that he does a and then there's global legacy leadership training selvi ability to activate encounters with god becoming apostle making apostles and breakthrough i'm not sure breakthrough necessarily means the packages range from fifty nine dollars eight hundred seventy five depending on what you are wanting to do a there are distance programs that spread the jumps teachings that and you know like with hill song their big in australia these these people go international this is what's happening in terms of practicing grave soaking as bob either most infamous one 'em it's called grave sucking mantle grabbing it's basically were in individual laser cross touches a physical physical grave of a deceased christian within ten of soaking the power of the holy spirit's individual had trapped in their body following the death this is found namely in the eastern mysticism buddies propagated by the word of faith moment a and view the north to the holy spirit is being wasted if it's not pulled out by an individual and they they claim that second kings surging twentyone justifies those but there's no way to really justify a the phrase extra came from john crowder who is close friends with the johnsons oh play a little audio clip of this hopefully not too loud we've just come to the grave today they're releasing you and importation of healing revival of city building restoration city taking annoying thing master building abba solid annoying and so we just rip it right out of the ground we just suck it right off his dad bones in jesus name loosen year a healing revival glory master building amazon like annoying glory so a yeah that's john crowder there's videos of instructors from bethel school supernatural ministry 'em not teaching students how the grave so you can find she had the bethel church christianity page 'em jeff jensen a founder of global fire ministries international has pictures of himself lay on grey's 'em bill johnson endorsed his book the believers guy demarco healing importation activation and he says jeff provides us with valuable tool and having a renewal renewed mining how a thanksgiving in high praise attract the realm of glory this book will challenge you to go and the greater levels of supernatural experiences greater in filling of the holy spirit so despite bill johnson's claims in the line of fire with michael brown that he doesn't promote encourage or teach grave soaking his work is subject in his wife a students say contrary 'em in the physics defending bill johnson extra says there are no endings mantles revelations of mysteries that have lain unclaimed 'em literally where they were left because the generation that walk them never pass them on i believe it's possible for us to recover the realms of annoying thing realms of insight realms of god there have been untended for decades simply by choosing to reclaim them in a perpetuate them for future generations so again we talked about the dishonesty and it just i don't understand i don't understand 'em civil images of benny johnson his wife grave soaking seal cs lewis his grave with the captions of this is what i do along with videos and photos of bethel school supernatural ministries practicing this a banning from jesus culture he contradicted johnson's claims of ignorance of issue and he says that 'em evil students that they don't try to prevent students from doing doing weird things basically when he says on trying to walk through walls to go seek the supernatural you also the individuals who have an issue with this have issues cares matic's but the problem is that a lot of charismatic don't like what baffles doing and that's kind of like a weird quiets thing but it's true you could see a charismatic magazine where they called out some of baffles teachings a bank claims that either just students doing this stuff and that's not the leaders again benny johnson and and the teachers it'd be ssn bicycle supranational ministry and then they'll johnson's advocacy infringe would john crowder again the dishonesty should be a red flag a the fire tunnels where a individuals form to lines or tunnel through which others walk through seemingly on hands prayer prayer prophecy importation of the spirit's there is physical manifestations noted a basically sporadic sporadic jerky movements glory clouds everyone knows about warren clout gore clouds at this point 'em but it's it's a prime example fabricated experience a called the miracle 'em linsey davis did a great job exposing this just appears and his documentaries and then it says well according lindsay davis she said while i was a student at b s s m bethel school supranational ministry i walked into the school and i've had several students coming on me look was all over you're facing close sure enough gold all over my face enclose they said surely this gold dust wow what did i do i went to a place in reading that test golden silver long behold i said i'm sorry that's not gold dust this glitter that you buy at party store i got you got lindsay davis she has a lot of stuff on this subject because of her story in cultish did an interview with their called the fucking from bethel i check it out quick notes in passing youth leaders teach children as young as preschool to engage with the angels and they are taught how to exhibit spiritual gifts somehow kids who don't have the spirits are being taught how to use spiritual gifts and they're being taught to engage gauge with angels and demons this should be dangerous i this is dangerous really that's why hasn't offering page it's kinda hard to find bethel dot com slash offering a dash ratings a and which prayers consist of things of repentance from poverty or quote making wealth petitions and promotions a these reminiscent of prosperity teachers howard the distinction between bethel and and these other i individuals is more incorporation of new age more focused on on healing rather than the money but they are making money through it a they're they're basically basically better marketing than the other ones we have seen the major stevens yokels and i hope i said that and like pronounced enough to make that clear achieve in jellico the ones who are on tv 'em they offer decorations and the promise through the laws of attractions which is the new age practice this that you you you basically claim things you name any claiming the universe gives it to you it's very dangerous stuff that it's it's paganism paganism a there's a lot of stuff you can go through 'em on this but but there's really these practices aligned with like hindu ism they're riding jerking shaking uncontrollable laughter slain in the spirit junk in the spirit healings tongues utilization of laws and attractions really new age prosperity teaching is just a mold heresy a new hats you know at the end of the day there there's a lot that we set on all of this but there are people who have done a lot of great work on these topics i highly recommend you check them out bethel church christianity christianity on facebook on brad weber 'em feel nice talked about it just some peters in his documents clause without water lindsay davis defecting beth long cultish a who forgetting american gospel is a great film that talks about it 'em policy hand anthony woods book defined deception which i did a review of highly recommended a but we we need to be when he'd be open about this when he'll be talking about it and 'em i hope that this has been helpful in some shape or form this will conclude this week's episode next week we should continue theology series if not never gonna start a little jehovah's witness a renewal all of my old jehovah's witness episodes because my church currently doing unapologetic series on those shows where this is an die at in kind of inspired me because i realized at the old episodes on up 'cause he got lost in the move so i'll just redo so

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Sunday Service | Prophecies & Meth

Matt D’Elia Is Confused

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Sunday Service | Prophecies & Meth

"Hello woke the mat. He is confused. This is dewey aka. Md's aka pastor m fucking diesel. That's right it's sunday. That means only one thing. It is sunday service on matt. Delia is confused. Md's lose confused. Pastor m diesel is confused. But he's also sing in and a happen and a fucking dancing and filled with the holy of fucking a spirit of one day. I was walking one day. I was the token day. I want to live in deep in. Wouldn't no i would receive it. Never do beat it. Such for kim thought of galley. You were wrong. You know we running in copying in my hand shouted. He maha doubted from my mom. The big broader ladder walken focus. Shara job said forty dot said if we receive. Thank you jesus. Thank you jesus. Romao should have been really set me free. What are you going to do. What are you gonna do when the music fucking rules. What are you going to do when the music is fucking spectacular when the music is fucking great. But what they're saying in the music is a bunch of fucking malarkey horse shit. What are you gonna do what. I'll tell you what we're gonna do much like. Let's say the song to close by the our big group next stand back. you're dancing. Close feel a little poke coming through on you girl. You can't deny girl hanaa girl. I know you failed it. Oh you know. I can't help it making it hard for me. Just like that song with the fucking haunting horrible predatory olympics. You've got to move the lyrics aside and shake shake shake your ass anyway because bad awful troublesome dangerous lyrics are not gonna stop us from getting the fuck down even when the lyrics are about bathing in blood slaughtering. Lambs people getting crucified. Sin sin in like a motherfucker even when the lyrics are like that we gotta be moving into gribben. That song is shit. That's my man. Russ taff russ taff familiar. Which i guarantee you're not raw. Staffers is the king of singing while he's sitting down in a big comfy chair. No one does it colour and seeing him do that made me realize there's nothing cooler than singing while sitting down in a big puffy chair. I urge you to look him up on youtube. Look up that exact live performance. Actually russ taff when he set me free. And you'll see what. I'm eating sitting down big puffy chair ripping out the fucking lyrics anyway. It is sunday service and there is a lot there is there was a lot of truly crazy shit said and done by pastors and christian mother fox in the last few days song to start getting into now first of all just to get this part out of the way one of the guys. I actually talk about. This is actually amazing to me and a couple of things before even sitting you will recognize the some of the crazy things along the way and then at the end. I'm going to put in perspective. The craziest part that isn't that apparent when you're just getting the stream of information of the facts that happened. There's one sort of symbolic thing that i can't fucking believe but i'll i'll leave that for the end okay. So there's this guy. Jeff janson he fucking always wears oakley sunglasses and has like shitty under armour shirts on and he makes videos. He's a pastor. He's a pastor believe global fire church. Global fire ministries. I think it's called. I mean global fire. You know not good not good so jeff. Johnson is a so-called profit. His thing is being not only a pastor not only zealot not only a crazy but also a prophet which means he's full jam packed full of shit jam packed full of shit. We've talked about pastors a lot on this show Rather prophets a lot on this show and jeff is one of the ones. I've brought up before us hair gel. He wears oakley sunglasses. He has whereas under armour shirts. You're getting the idea now to give you a taste of the kinda shit. The kind of prophecies that mister johnson's been laying on us in the last few weeks last few months really. I'm gonna play you. His most recent one okay so just to put it in perspective though. He has been saying all along what surprise. He's one of the prophets that is instead of dealing in religious prophecies. He's dealing in political prophecies. Which i don't know when that gate opened but once it did it must mean cash for these mother fuckers because they're all doing it now every crazy right-wing pastors all of them are talking about how trump really one and it was always god's plan and now as god's warriors we need to stay i don't even it doesn't make any logical sense i'm going to phrase it but their whole thing is that trump actually one and one day it will be revealed to be true. Trump will be back in the presidency biden. His of fake president. I want to get into that more later. But jeff is one of these people that has been insisting he said by. I think in january he said by march biden would be out trump abi and then in march he said by the end of april biden will be out. Trump will be in and then when that didn't come around he said it's looking good for me so he just. I don't need to say anymore. You understand what that is. He's just pushing it back he's full. Oh shit okay. So here's jeff janssen's last video by last. I might mean more than one thing. And that's what i want to get into after this and let me just play this real quick and then by spring will be dancing at the post out yesterday. Radically changing the fake biden administration. You watch what happens all of this coming down. The rats are going to be exposed. President trump stepping into his place is all about people saying well. Jeff you're talking about trump. forget. About jesus while i'm talking about jesus honestly if you're a christian in your a real christian you're not out of your fucking shit and you wrote to jeff johnson and said why are you talking about trump. This is about jesus fucking good for you good for you because you are fucking right wire these all of these people talking about donald trump all the time. Also why do people never talk about joe biden. Joe biden's a fucking catholic. Donald trump is not fucking religious at all and has never even pretended to be. So what the fuck is that. That is some topsy turvy. True backwards true backwards confusing shit anyway. Those people that wrote that shit. Jeff have a good point and are right but i guess you're not going to agree with them now. What's your business talking about justice. We're talking about the right side of the issue because there is a massive global economic reform. That's happening there. Is a magic amazing shift happening in the church. Got us preparing. The earth will great glory revival. So watch what happens. God bless you. I'm doing a sixty second blast and just wanted to say it again. I'm tripling down quite pulling down. God bless you look forward. Jesus okay so as he said in his own words. I believe this was maybe earlier this week. But i think maybe exactly a week ago. Perhaps do a sixty second blast. What but he's trimmed down. He's quadrupling down and of course what he's alluding to is the fact that he's been wrong. Not two but three times so now. He has to quadruple down. Meanwhile obviously he's fucking wrong and obviously he's leading these poor people by the fucking nose and he's contributing to a massive problem now. There's some statistics. Seventy percent of republicans. Think joe biden stole the election. But the reason i'm leading with jeff johnson. There's a specific reason. I'm leading with janssen because as always fucking happens with these dudes man you got in some trouble. What kind of trouble. you might think. Well you might expect the kind of trouble to be. That he's been fucking lying through his teeth and prophesying shit. That is absolutely never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever going to happen and you would be not wrong for thinking that that should be the reason he's getting can't he. Okay so global fire ministries international has removed jeff johnson from their lives review in article. Actually the headline is christian ministry. Fires maga- loving quote profit for quote un biblical behavior Article for months. Now we've been posting about the lies spread. This is his on the friendly atheist dot com but the lies spread by so-called prophet jensen global fire ministries international. This is the guy who said in february that donald trump was still president and would return to the white house by summer in march. He moved up to date to sing. Military would help restore trump to power. I played you a few weeks ago. this week. He stood by that prediction. And you heard that just now even though it's may which is actually true which is so insane He double down on that claim. This past tuesday which is still part of me. I don't think jeff understands months anyway. Well here's a bit of a shocker. Janssen has now been fired. By global fire ministries international global fired ministries fuck in the website for global fire church in murfreesboro tennessee now lists his wife jan johnson jan jeff jensen jesus as a senior leader but jeff is no longer listed there. Furthermore the website for the ministry itself is no longer publicly accessible. So what hap-. Yesterday i received a tip that the ministry had sent the following email to members. They have not posted this for public viewing but a spokesperson at the ministry confirmed its legitimacy to me. A statement from the leadership team board advisors of global fire ministries may fifth two thousand twenty. One is with deep sorrow. That sora what am i fucking canadian. It is with deep sorrow. That jeff johnson has been asked by his board to step down as co senior leader of global fire church and from global fire ministries due to unscripted social an unbearable behavior. It's made up two words in a span of three words. He was asked to step down in april and this was made public to the church body on may second two thousand twenty one. A statement was released partners and friends on may fifth due to a pattern of making poor moral choices and bad coping mechanisms mechanisms character. Flaws became obvious which disqualified jeff from new testament leadership. His lifestyle in the home traveling on the road and in the house of god has fallen below biblical standards laid out for those in leadership. He has been confronted concerning these flaws. Numerous times over a period of time. It's bad sentence rather than submit to the process of healing and restoration. Jeff recently made an intentional decision to leave his wife and family to pursue his own desires. He remains unrepentant and unremorseful. Any pursuit of further ministry on jeff's behalf is not under the umbrella and blessing of global fire ministries. This is my favorite bar here. Gober fire church will continue to thrive exclamation point. Our church was built on the importance of family. That will remain. Your prayers are all greatly appreciated sincerely global leadership team port advisor. Okay finish article and give you the fucking the counter scoop. Notice that none of that says. They're embarrassed by his supposed prophecies. Actually that's exactly what i was going to say. They're not fa whatever they're firing for has something to do with the way. He is in his own family so the fact that he's endlessly constantly lying to his congregation about who the president president is and is going to be. He was the guy that was somehow. The military is going to intervene and take over and we got nothing to worry about by. The april to happen didn't happen. What a fucking surprise didn't happen because he's lying with his fucking oakley's and under his hair gel by the way. All prophets are bullshit but if if there is one that is not bullshit if there is a christian profit who is not bullshit. I guarantee you. I guarantee fucking to you. He is not wearing oakley's and using hair joe and wearing under armor. But this church the goal fire ministries fired him because he left his wife. I probably cheated on his wife and his unrepentant about that. Not because he's telling lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie leading his congregation making them believe it's true and basically ruining fucking everything that's not why that's not on biblical and unscripted social to use words they made. That's gotta be scriptural because everybody fucking houses doing it. So those are the morals that we do they hold their people up to not lying to thousands and thousands of people every fucking day but leaving your wife and to that i say i'm income the fuck fuck on speaking of the fucking endless amounts i actually. There's a guy on on on one of these guys who played the of this guy hank kind of enhanced content. I wrote to him begging him to come on the show. So hopefully oklahoma agree. He hasn't responded yet. I wrote him friday. But i really want to come on the show really want a promised them. I wouldn't do though. Gotcha bullshit. I wrote him. Personally i'm like please please please. We'll see what he says but he's just another one of these motherfuckers here. We go here. We go what surprise he was doing it again. This way week. God has not change his mind. President trump won. The nation is now in a place where we are being tested. Mark wasn't even meaning. God has not changed his mind so the only way biden is really. The president is if god the made up guy change his mind also. God changes his mind. That's already you're taking. So many leaps from my understanding of god god has mind. God is a person i fucking. I've i've realized the thing. I hate more than anything else. The christian say is is. God made man in his image. Hey that is exactly one hundred percent backwards. Man made god in his image. And i might go step further and say man made god the fuck up in his image because he's an ego maniacal motherfucker. Anyway come on. What are you going to say. Chapter six is where we are prophetically. Jesus told the disciples to get in a boat. They get on a boat. They begin to roll. And jesus is coming by way of a visitation the disciples which represents the church misread the signs of jesus has visitation and think that something evil. That's where a lot of people are at today. They cannot see what god is doing. They can't recognize visitation. But yet jesus was testing the church or the disciples and the bible says in mark six that he intended to pass them by. It was a test. What would they do well. They were rowing against a wind. That was blowing contrary. We're hearing contrary reports contrary things that is dividing the nation attacking the prophets. Saying that you know god is is basically done with america the prophets so wrong so these winds are blowing. The disciples rowing lot of chaos. By the way. I'm not saying god is done with america. I'm only saying the prophets are wrong. I am saying. God doesn't give a particular fuck about america. Because if he did he'd be a piece of shit. God being partial to a certain place on the globe he sucks but i am saying all the property rome liam vote. The disciples finally called jesus in the boat and something happens a great acceleration begins to take place mark. Success immediately. they were on the other side. This is what is beginning to happen. We are now in the season that god is going to fulfil what he has spoken through the profits. They can't stop. They cannot stop as jeff. Johnson says tripling and quadrupling down. And there's a reason for that. No recourse comes their way even when they do fire. These mother fuckers. It's not because this. It's because they leave their wife. she's also. What is the deal with. Christians looking at the bible and everything that happens in front of them today through that lens. I've read the bible. Nowhere in the bible says in the days to come. Things will constantly only mirror the contents of this book. That's just another made up thing that at all of these motherfuckers do now. Another one of these motherfuckers. Prophets the billy. Ray cyrus guy homeless billy ray. Cyrus robin bullock actually saw an article this last week about him in newsweek. Newsweek was the publication. I was shitting on for writing news stories about what happens on tiktok which is literally the lowest of the low. I can't. I can't imagine a news worthy thing to report on. Alas newsweek reports on it but newsweek kinda elevated themselves minds because they did right about robin bullock and robin bullock more than most people in the world needs to shit on publicly now. The article was talking about how some prophets have apologized. But how robin bullock is holding out for this this false narrative that they're spinning to their congregants about trump. One now here is an amazing example. An amazing example of the kind of logic that these motherfuckers get away with that. They're congregation and the people people out there similar to them for some reason. Except here's robin bullock. I think he's talking about exactly that. Actually he's about the We give prophecies about the president. Okay donald j trump is the only president. No he's the president. You'd have to be you just have to you. Know i was born near a tub. But i wasn't born under warn donald. J trump. is the president note. Okay are as the president if if we're not if we're not right about that you're not did. Why did newsweek jump all over me. Because you're wrong. What do you mean that is exactly the opposite takeaway. Why did newsweek a news source right about how you're wrong because you're wrong. Not because your right watts dude. What are they jump all over me and you know what. Their argument was state. It was something to this effect. The prophets are apologizing. But robin d bullock will not apologize or some of the other ones will. I knew the other ones they were talking about but notice this. Why did they get so bad. Because i to apologize. Because they know he's the president they know it. Well as we know it. That i found it. I found it the single worst logic. I've ever seen framed as actual logic. He's saying why would the news report that. I'm lying if i wasn't really telling the truth. If that's not the worst fucking logic and perfect encapsulation of how these mother fuckers lie. They tell you a lie with an intonation and an a whole fucking tenor of the way that they're being as if it's obvious truth it's the fucking definition of gas lighting. Fuck you motherfucker. Anyways three thousand degrees. I'm gonna take a break. And i will talk to you about some more even cracked shit in one minute. Don't go anywhere. Matt elliott is confused will return right after the break. If you have not heard about anchor it is easiest. Way to make a podcast. I use anchor to make this very podcast. First of all it's free so there's that and everybody wants free. There's also inside the app. There's tools to edit the podcast from your phone or your computer or anywhere is the most user friendly thing possible anchor distributed for you through spotify and podcast. You can make money from it. Check it out. 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Plus talk show just head over to anchor dot fm slash music. Plus talk that's anchor dot fm slash music plus talk to sign up for anchor and make your own music talk show for free Now back and so fucking service so or so the game. Have you been do for the plans ing power or you are in the land. Are you brian. How are you side small. What's no are you know blah in the soul cleansing are your garments. Spotless are they. Why snow are you raw number. Not possible not absolutely not remotely possible to be washed in blood and have garments that are spotless and white as snow also. That song is so fucked up but also stop talking about our underwear in christian songs indefinitely. Stop talking about our underwear and in the very next breath talking about blood of lambs. Thank you that is fucking abundantly. Obvious but thank. You didn't know i had to say it but thank you have one non sunday service item to to take care of and it is this. I didn't watch it. Because i don't watch saturday night live because he can't because i'm like fucking my mouth is completely parallel to the ground because it doesn't curb at all on the sides into the shape of a smile not even a little bit. It is parallel to the ground. That's why i don't watch. Snl that being said. I did watch the opening. Monologue of elon. Musk and allow me to tell you. It was fucking terrible. What a surprise. His whole vibe sucks shit. And that's it i'm done i'm not gonna get into it. His whole vibe sucks shit and it will never not sucks shit. also all. He's the richest man in the world. That's cool and he's obviously a genius and he's obviously brilliant and he's obviously insanely successful capitalist one of the most ever why the fuck is hosting a comedy show blah. You know but something happened this week. That is aligned with sunday service of anecdote of of the life of 'em diesel. Now there's a moment okay if anybody if any of you have experienced something with his shirt probably all of you have if you haven't you are but anytime there's any kind of homeless population around. There's a there's a when they went to one of that population approaches you one of that population. Jesus what the fuck dharma. When a homeless person approaches you. You have like a brief window. Where if you if you allow the door to seem open an invite to for them to speak to you. You are fucked right. If you don't allow that door to be opened they just go by and you go by and everybody goes about the the lives now. Obviously if you're in a terrible mood you whatever you give them the thing that they're asking for and then that can be over but every once in a while. There's this window that if you if you miss your window to get the fuck out of the potential interaction you're sucked in for like five fucking minutes right and it rarely happens to me especially because i lived in downtown the downtown for so long downtown los angeles anybody that lives downtown or has been downtown Knows there are many many many many homeless people everywhere and actually usually. It's a total non issue in terms of like any kind of actual an annoyance or being accosted or anything like that it's just that skid row happens to be very close skid row in l. a.'s fucking enormous so i had one of these interactions and i missed my fucking window. I left the door open too long and the guy was wicked smart though about it because the way he approached it he he came up to me. He said hey. Can i talk to you for a second which is like kryptonite on me. I'm not gonna say no. Can i have some money. I don't have money on me. So that's a that's an easy one. i say. sorry. I don't have anything on me. You know But yeah this this was. This was like i could in the moment. I just decided. I was like it was like kind of talk to you for second and i was like okay and then i was fucked up right away. He had his hooks. He takes a fucking piece of paper out of his pocket and shit you not. There is writing filling both sides just crammed with words hand. He hand wrote on this shit. What fucking surprise. Every word that he wrote is about god and jesus and being what expressed wash the fucking blood perfect audience for that me and also though on top of that. He's very clearly a scary person. What i mean by that is. He's not blinking and not at all not at any point except only takes his eyes away from me to to read. What's on the piece of paper. He's staring directly into my eyes. I contact the entire time and isn't blinking piercing blue eyes and he was either mentally imbalanced or on something. It was obvious but he wasn't being confrontational anyway. He seemed desperate. He seemed trouble. I guess and so even more reason when he said can i talk to you. I was okay and then he pulls out his paper. And i was like oh i didn't know it was going to be this guy's piece of paper now and he's and he's reading it most of its memorized. But i realized that it's like a fucking sermon. It's like he's he wants to be. That guy greg lock that. I play sometimes on the show talking about god. Lana zak to cook duck guy. Joe biden's fake president ono aiming for that but it wasn't doing it like that he was doing it. All shitting clunky was like you know an amateur and also fucking on something you know. So he's just reading me his sermon. And i'm literally just standing there but i'm also realizing maybe i if i if i don't agree with him then this could get awkward fast so i'm trying to doing some calculations in my head thinking how am i gonna get out of this a but be how am i going to get out of this without pissing him off and i don't wanna be rude. I really i don't wanna be rude anyway. So that's already off the table to be this guy. Sorry patiently listened in every once in a he pauses and it seems like he's pausing to get my response and i made a decision to get this over with as quick as possible so every time every time he would pause i would say praise jesus okay. But then he he he he veers off into this he started out as a really generic thing. About how if we just confessed to our sins. Jesus loves us and he's always looking out for us and god is dead and i got plan and whatever he soon by. I'd say when he turns over his page and search reading the other side of his piece of paper that he's written His sermon on talking about Illicit lustful feelings towards women and how he used to suffer from satanic afflictions of lusting after women acting on these feelings and then i can't say praise jesus anymore because i already was lying when i said praise. Jesus now he's like scaring me. He's it's it's like mean again. He was repenting. I suppose but he's also confessing to having violent fucked up feelings fucked up sexual feelings towards women and he's talking about how we should treat younger. Women like daughters and we should older women like mothers and now i'm just like turning a little bit. I'm like maybe i can just walk away. I don't know if he's he's looking me right in the app. I don't know if he's really seeing you know. Also i had told him my name. Was max not matt. Don't know why. Why would i do that. But he's calling me. Max he's like keeps calling me max and so. Finally he stops being creepy about the women thing and he's just talking about how god saved him and he doesn't lost after women anymore and it's all because of god and to that i can say praise jesus so i'm like okay man. I'm gonna go right. And so i walk. I start walking. Continue on my way. And i'm aware that maybe he's gonna follow me but he's got so much shitty as like a shopping cart and the other stuff that would make noise and i don't hear anything behind me so i'm like i don't have to look back walking in a mock and i get all the way up the block and just here in the distance max max max and i'm like oh mother fucker more. Was you got another piece of paper. I thought i successfully did. I said did my duty. I said praise. Jesus twenty times. He didn't even ask. You didn't ask me for anything. He just wanted my time which i gave to him graciously. I was fucking nicest. Fuck poor guy. I don't wanna fucking hurt his feelings but now he certainly my feelings backs six. And then i hear kim rolling is fucking shopping cart. And i'm like. Oh i can't do another five fucking minutes of this sort I pretend like. I don't hear him calling me and i take my phone out of my pocket and pretend like i got a call. I can't believe i fuck. You did what did i just tell them. I don't i don't wanna fucking talk you know but now like so far in again. I missed my window. I missed my fucking window. So now got i'm pretending to this crazy guy that i'm on the phone so i don't pretend that over here i'm gonna take my phone not even mattered. Because he's still yelling. Max and now he's right behind me. And i have to be like turnaround but like oh i didn't know you were behind me and then i pull away which not on but i'm pretending a and i say oh what's up man. I'm on the on monaco. Now and he says oh. I'm sorry just really fast. One more thing. I'm on meth. And that was it. That was it and i was like off. Oh okay and. I pretended to be on the phone and kept walking and that was the end of the interaction. I really wonder how he's doing right now. I mean that was not a good thing to chase me down for. I didn't know he was on meth. But i thought he was on something. I could have lived not knowing but he was running after all that praise. Jesus shit on math and let me tell you something. That guy is more honest than any profit. I've ever played for you on the show. I walked away even in his fucked up state on meth. He was like. I want max to know that what he just saw of me was maybe not my best version. I'm going to chase them down and tell him i'm on meth. And then he did that. Thank you. His name was ryan by the way he told me his name. So ryan as troubled as you are. I hope you find your way. The meth thing. I don't know i've never done meth. I've heard it's terrible drug. And i am sure you're having a hard time with a really hope. It works out for you right. But because you chased me down and sort of divulged. I guess the fact that you're on meth. You have more credit in my book than any of these fucking profits. I've ever played speaking of fucking Greg lock. I just mentioned greg lock. There's a new piece greg. Lock going the fuck off now. I don't like oh. Actually you know what i am going to play this the mike i i got three letters in the mail just the other day not one of them how to return address return them and all three of them were castigate because they said we want you to know that so. There's an honorable man. Listen to the crowd. This is fucking christian service and there's mocking who's a catholic is a practicing catholic the pope but he's the biggest pedophile on the planet. Saying in right there. Hey greg i don't wanna say amen to that. That is a disturbing thing to say. Amen to the puppies the biggest pet. Can i get an amen. No oh no that's really fucked up and not true and also if it was we fucked up so for both of those reasons. You don't get any man candidate amen. Oh i mean just speaking of on meth. what a fucking maniac. can i get an amen. No not for that. I'm going to go with fucking no I play warmer. These folks in to get the fuck outta here here we go. This is incredible. Saying there's things. I know that i can't say but what i can say is. Trump is not done it is over or sure and what god said still stands and then you win bidding. Yes all the products they use gonna win and win big or landslide. It was true right. And so the real dominion is not the software they tried to manipulate but real dominion is the lord. Saying i've given you all authority now. I want my people to pray. And from knowing i've got the authority is christ lives in me. The hope of glory by the holy spirit. That's so good k. Fucking what honestly fucking what what. What did that guy. just say. think about that. What did that guy even just say. Now they're just say shit like phrases that dr like touchstone things that christian pastors say but they don't even have to add up into the thing that makes sense and god has a plan and when they look at me and they say donald trump won and he did and he did he wanted to landslide and all that we have to do is understand the anointed one and his righteousness and when we understand the anointed one and his righteousness. We can look and see that. That will be the way ahead. You're just like what the fuck. That's not something that you just said. What you said is not buchan. Something and yet and fucking yet. You know what. I'm gonna write to hancock again i got. I gotta talk to these motherfuckers. And if he doesn't respond and bright to other ones. I gotta get these mother fuckers on the show. It's high fucking time but that does Up another rockin. Raucous fucking sunday service Help y'all are having a great sunday taking care of yourselves. Nocco no real church but yes coming to this church our where pasture m diesel resides over a all the proceedings All right we're going to have the mugs regatta the mugs we got the fucking me right now mugs in stock gonna take some photos of and put them up on the website. They will be up for sale. This motherfucking week. Get your mirror mugs. i will obviously post about it and By the time you hear my voice again during the week they will be up and available for purchase and excited about that and life is exciting. Everything is good. We are all happy And that is just the way it is. We are not sad. We are very fucking happy. Life is great and everything is good. And that is going to be true. Forevermore brainwashing you. I hope it works Take care all of you. I love you. I will talk to you again. This week geico.

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The Department of Justice drops insider trading investigations against three senators voter registration plummets due to covid. Nineteen Republicans sued to stop proxy voting in the House. Kevin McCarthy ask Democrats to pull their FISO. Bill POMPEO's advisory board. Kaley mcenaney is a hypocrite. Rod Rosenstein will testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Flynn could lose even if he wins. And we find out why it could be hard for pence to pardon trump. I'm your host. Ag Hey everybody it's ag We're doing some remote recordings today Everything is going well here. I want to remind everybody of. Let's see tomorrow's a cocktail Happy Hour. We're going to do a live. Crowd Cast Q. And A. Session. We do this every week. This'll be I think the tenth week that we do this This week steam is the masquerade. Where your masks? We WanNA see your masks You have to wear them the whole time. Obviously if you're indoors and also today on the show I'll be interviewing Glenn Kirschner former Federal Prosecutor. Msnbc legal analyst former Army Jag Jordan's GONNA give us a cove update in the block. And I'm going to be joined by Amanda Reader for the good news in quarantine confessions. I also wanted to say to see. Just this is so great. Congratulations to the voices of our city. Choir they earned the Golden Buzzer from Terry crews on America's got talent last night They're going straight to the final show and voices are choir is a choir of homeless folks here in San Diego. We had them record ringtone for us and You know we've been donating the proceeds from that ringtone to them Since that time. And they were on America's got talent last night and they got the Golden Buzzer. Congratulations voices of our city choir. You've earned it and I also want to dedicate this show to Larry Kramer Co founder of act up which is working to end the AIDS crisis. He died today in New York at the age of eighty four and we honor his memory but before we get to the headlines and the pardon discussion we do have some updates from Jordan Coburn. So let's hit the hot notes pot notes hello Jordan's corn beans I have just got a few updates for you today. Kind of a shorter one I store that I've got for you all is about what's starting to happen with voter registration numbers so. I hadn't even thought about this until I read this article and it so now in hindsight obviously something that was going to be a problem but basically voter registration numbers are just completely like flat lining all across the country and normally in the months leading up to an election. Like this is when you would start to see them skyrocket through all the various ways that people do that there's a lot of in-person stuff mainly in that's kind of what the issue is is. How do you effectively registered people? You know grassroots voter. Reg Organizations is one of the main ways that people wind up getting registered. The people that you see outside of grocery stores or in your communities just going door to door in communities for example when that stuff isn't supposed to be happening. There's a huge consequence that we're starting to see in those numbers the DMV for example Naturalisation ceremonies being postponed. When you get like I think I'm pretty sure. This act exists in some form and a lot of states but I think in Nevada. It was called like the motor voter registration act or something or maybe that was California. I think it was Nevada. Point is when you essentially like do any sort of business online like you get your license. I had to do is check a box. Basically to say that you want to be registered to vote and there's a lot of you know legislation like that that's made it super easy for for certain parts of the population to to register. Dmv's are like closed everywhere. You can only go in if you have an essential thing that you have to do which fun fact everybody guess what my license has been suspended for the last like six months and I didn't know and After go get it reinstated. So that's fun. That's just a side note. I'm an idiot. It's I didn't pay some fucking stupid parking ticket or some shit and it's my fault but I really fucked myself there anyways. There's a bunch of people right now. That aren't being able to vote and it's scary. It's very scary because we were looking at an election. That hopefully was going to be the biggest voter turnout. We've seen in many many elections in now. It's just looking like this. Could be a really big factor in that not being the case. So if you can Dear part. I'm sure there's GonNa be stuff going around on social media like campaigns online campaigns grassroots organizations. They don't stop the work that they do. They do such amazing work but Cher it as he sees something. That's like reminding your friends or yourself to update at your new address or or just maybe some people registering for the first time. Maybe you have kids. That aren't getting their licenses or something but they still need to register. Think about that stuff. Think about maybe who your life you could help and we can try to help kind of pick up the slack. That's being caused by the stay at home owners right now in the voter registration area. That story number went story number two comes out of Rent and evictions. And what's starting to happen now? Is You know when lockdown? I started a lot. You lose. People lost their jobs. People still don't have their jobs. Obviously paying rent was not even on the table and so there were the sort of postponing of evictions in now in a lot of states. They're starting to resume addictions which is just cruel and makes zero sense to me because they're doing that without any kind of other plan for giving people aid. It seems so arbitrary and unhelpful. It's like when they said. Oh Yeah Even when they did something to like help in quotes it was like yeah. You don't have to pay rent for three months. Oh but then as soon as citizen three months is up you three month's rent okay. Thanks what did you think? I was fucking. I was just bathing in the money. DidN'T WANNA give it to you like obviously I don't have the money. It's the least helpful thing and now as a follow up to the least helpful thing now. They're actually beginning to evict people and they're starting to put out those notices that it's going to happen. I saw one coming out of. I think it was the state of Oklahoma I saw them announce on. Yeah Oklahoma City. The sheriff's announced that they were gonNA start enforcing eviction notices this week and the tone was apologetic. Keno just like. It's suck that we have to do this but like we're going to be as respectful as we can't everybody in reluctantly so I imagine a lot of people are going to be carrying out. These orders. Fucking sucks it's it's awful and when you have stay at home orders that are still in place. You're literally putting people out into the streets. Which just in the humanitarian census. Just awful and in just cruel like I can't. I just really can't think of any. I understand that the economy still needs to go round right. I. I obviously understand a landlord. That's like well. What am I supposed to do you know I I have? I have bills to pay to. That's completely fair. This shouldn't fall on the landlord's because honestly landlords unless you're like a massively wealthy landlord you're still probably sitting in the middle class in a lot of these cases landlords also don't have the capital to be able to do anything really either to help people in a lot of cases. I feel like this is where governments failed us so much. Is that states in. They're doing this stuff largely because the landlords need to pay their bills and they're not getting any breaks either in it's just as chain of people not getting any breaks in. It's a tragedy and I don't know I don't know what I guess. It's going to be like an individual maybe state by state assessment of how to handle that. I don't know like or maybe it's county. I'm not familiar. With the breakdown of local state government you know workings specifically in Lake. Who would be responsible for coming up with kind of solution? All I know is that what's happening right now with them. Starting to enforce evictions is just completely unacceptable and my heart goes out to anybody. That's in that position. We have a lot of listeners. I guarantee some of our listeners are experiencing this right now and I'm so sorry and I just. It sucks. Feel so powerless. All around the people that are with you and your heart and then you all in. It just is horrible so I hope that if this is affecting you you're in a place that has some resources somewhere and there are some options available to you but point is they're just getting right back to it. Texas Supreme Court ruled that addictions could begin again recently. So in some places it's already gone through courts and they're upholding that Professor Emily Benfer. She's a housing expert and Associate Professor at Columbia Law School She said I think we will enter into a severe renter crisis and very quickly. We will have an avalanche of Vic Shins across the country. And I think she's right and it's awful sorry this is not more uplifting. My last story is even worse Finally four months after we got our first known case of Covid nineteen in the US. We've now reached the hundred thousand mark for people who have died with covid nineteen. Then it's such a high number. It's so much higher than A lot of places in the world apparently a I mean it's there's all of the under counting that's probably been happening in confirmed to have happened in certain ways and in various ways to weaken expect that number to be higher in. It's very sobering number and again I'm really really sorry for anybody that listens to our podcast in anyone. In general that's been affected by that or a he had anybody pass because of this It's crazy the good news is that numbers are going down in places like New York City. They continue to see a really really really Relatively blow death rates compared to where they were at their peak. Obviously the amount of deaths in illnesses still just you know so hard staggering. But it's not as bad as it was and and that's that's a positive. There is the fear though. Now that with the reopenings happening that we're just GONNA be entering into a second wave. That's what's been being predicted by people up theologists scientists people that know they're talking about all along and I think the bittersweet nature of things getting better is that there's another hill that were probably most definitely going to have to climb again in fall and we still don't have our shit together in a lot of ways especially when we start looking at these other things like evictions just like logistics in that sense you know that it profoundly affects people all over. It's just a complete mess. It's a complete mess and I feel for just everybody I feel for everybody. That's working on solutions and everybody. That's going through it and you know while everything. In general in many ways I think has been a complete mess largely just by the nature of a pandemic on its own. I'm also incredibly proud of the work. That people have done The speed for example that you know vaccines are beginning to be developed in the ways. People have just been coming together constantly to help each other. All of those positives still remain and I hope that people can focus on that but we did reach a pretty big mark with one hundred thousand number and it's just sad to think about so. That is the animal a block today. I hope everybody is doing a and hope. Y'All have a great tweak. Thanks all right. Thanks for those updates Jordan. We'll be right back with MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirschner stay with us will be. Hey everybody it's edgy. Here for the daily beans due to the global pandemic of the cove nineteen virus. The job market has been uncertain for the past couple of months. And we really don't know what the future will hold. We are all in unchartered waters and as a small business ourselves we understand what employees and employers are going through right now. Employees are worried about their jobs. 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Let's work together is ziprecruiter dot com slash work together? All right everybody. Welcome back joining me today as former federal prosecutor with decades of experience and MSNBC legal analyst. Former JAG Glenn Kirschner Glen. Thanks for speaking with me today. good to be honest with you. Yeah how are you? How's everybody holding up on your neck of the woods? We're still sheltering place and our governor here. In Virginia Governor North Them said he's ready to ease the restrictions so with a little luck We're GONNA be going out to a restaurant with outdoor seating area this Friday. At least that's the hope excellent. Let me know how that goes. I'm interested to know if people are respecting the six feet social distancing and mask wearing. I know it's hard to wear a mask when you're eating but at least being six feet apart when you're not we'll see good luck So recently you posted a video on your really informative Youtube Channel. I can't get everyone needs to be subscribed to that. And and you had a discussion about why if Flynn Loses Or if he wins he actually still loses. And I was hoping you could explain that to us. You know everybody. Everybody feels like if his case gets dismissed such that he is not facing up to six months in prison is one of the terms of his current plea agreement. Then it's an outright win for Mike. Flynn and you know I. I don't see it that way. Now look nobody wants to face six months in prison and the reality is if he does get sentenced by Judge Sullivan. Nobody knows how much time Sullivan will will give them. But if his case gets dismissed with Bill Bar and Mike Flynn who have joined forces to help defend? My Flynn If it gets the Smith they succeed you know Mike. Flynn might have a whole lot more trouble coming his way in January over and above just to six months in prison needs facing presently so The the plea agreement and Mike Flynn plea paperwork. Makes it clear that Mike? Flynn committed multiple crimes not just flying to the FBI but if you look at his sworn statement of the offense which was introduced at the time he pled guilty he also committed Sarah Violations Foreign Agents Registration Act violations and arguably. He committed several of them. It documents that not six weeks after he lied to the FBI about talking dirty on the phone with the Russians he then went on to file false and fraudulent paperwork with the Department of Justice. Talking about how he was going to start working for and lobbying on behalf of the Republic of Turkey but those documents that he filed with the Department of Justice were full of lies. Three of those lives are documented. And Mike Flynn's we paperwork and guess. What if Mike Flynn and Bill Bar? Succeed in getting Mike. Flynn case dismissed. What that means is in January. When presumably we once again have a law abiding president and a law enforcing Attorney General Mike Flynn can be charged with all his criminal offenses lie to the FBI that he tried to plead guilty to and Mike Lynch plea paperwork documents. Multiple lies that he told to the Department of Justice. Six weeks after he lied to the FBI. He filed a bunch of paperwork saying that he was going to be a lobbyist on behalf of the Republic of Turkey but he lied in at least three different ways about what he was going to be doing. And those lives those Farah Violations Foreign Agents Registration Act violations and not only be indicted against him come January but convicting him would be like shooting fish in a battle because he's already admitted to committing those crimes under oath when he pled guilty to lying to the FBI. So you know a trial on these charges will be quite easy so really Mike. Flynn can win today by getting his case Smith but he will lose come January when all those other crimes that the prosecutors promised not to bring against him can be revived and ten be brought against them including potentially crimes against son if those were dealt away as part of his guilty plea agreement. Yeah we had we had posited back in Gosh November twenty seventeen that Flynn Junior. Got Off because of the plea agreement. Although it wasn't explicitly mentioned in the paperwork there were addendums under seal. And who knows what's in who knows what are in in those thunder seal. If and I I will tell you. It's not unprecedented for you. Make it a family affair when we have family members all of whom are involved in committing crimes but our main interest is to charge one person typically because we want to flip that person against the bigger fish. You know. It's not unusual for us to say. Look if you'll guilty to what you did and if you will cooperate truthfully with our ongoing investigations and prosecutions against others. We will not charge your family members with whom you're doing these crimes and it's only fair to put those sorts of things feel because if you're not going to charge those family members you also don't WanNa Kinda publicly drag them through the mud by putting them in the plea agreement of the family member. Who'S GONNA plead in? Flip happened in the thing. I've seen that movie. Yeah I think it was a family member. It was a friend but Yeah they were GonNa let her off the her they were. Actually they were gonNA charge her with crimes. If didn't cooperate. Of course it was a fake fed. Which is the greatest part of that entire movie but Spoiler alert focus soundtrack album bad. It's so good right. Scott Joplin okay. But this precludes trump pardoning flynn right because trump can just come in and say and your pardon and absolved of all of your wrongdoing up until this moment and you can't be charged for crimes that you committed prior to my pardon. He can do that. And then we can't go. After Flynn for any of that fair violation or his family. I mean he would have to pardon his family members to. Yeah but let me let me push back on that a little bit yes. The prevailing wisdom is the president has unlimited and unfettered pardon power so he can certainly have somebody hype up A Pardon for Mike Flynn and DONALD TRUMP CONSIGN IT. But then what happens? Come January in my estimation if I were prosecuting the cases. Is You half the tests that pardon in court so there is no there is very little who case? Law Appellate Law Supreme Court Law on the INS and outs of pardons particularly corrupt pardons issued by criminal presidents. Trying to help out is criminal associates. Co-defendant so I actually. I know that Mitch. Mcconnell has been cramming unqualified judges down America's throat so it's always a dicey proposition when I say the state of fishery is strong but I hold fast to that. I think it remains strong. I do not think judges who presented issue one whether apart whether the president could pardon himself for crimes committed or to whether president can pardon co-defendants people with me committed crimes people who were part of some broad conspiracy to violate the laws of the United States. I happen to believe that courts would rule those pardons were corrupt and therefore unenforceable what? I hope I hope. Donald Trump pardons one or more of his criminal associates. Whether it's Mike Lynn or Rogers and others so that we can test in court in January beginning of January. The proposition of weather a criminal can corruptly pardons a co-conspirator and that leads perfectly into my next question but also on the pardoning of Flint and flint son. If trump were to pardon Flynn's son we would all then know. That Flynn's son was protected. As part of the plea agreement that would be politically interesting Bingo. Bingo you know like I need to pardon flint own. I have to pardon his son as well really for what? What for really. Oh interesting so okay. Okay but you talking about. You can't pardon your co-conspirator came up this morning. Kristen Johnson on twitter. Can you know? Let's say trump loses? The election can pence than Ken. Trump resign as a lame duck and then have pants. Pardon everything and yes. The answer is yes but now again You because that was my answer but you had added a caveat. And that's what you were. Just mentioning pence pence's pardon could be challenged if pence for example where a co-conspirator and something illegal in the administration specifically tied to Donald Trump. I I would assume and you. You gave some examples. Can you talk about that for a little bit? Because I know you just like you said the pardon. Power is pretty untouchable. But there are instances or there should be at least instances when it. It's not so let. Let's assume now. I don't know if Mike Pence committed crime so I'm not asserting as a matter of fact I know. Donald Trump committed crimes because I read and I read Robert Muller's Prosecution report which Documents Multiple Felony Obstruction of justice charges. So let's assume just for the sake of this discussion that there is sufficient evidence to prove that Donald Trump and mike pence together with many others were involved in an illegal scheme to profit off of the sales of personal protective equipment think PP. I've sure seen and read a lot of stuff that leads that has led me to believe that that is a distinct possibility. But let's assume that that is true that they were co-conspirators in a criminal scheme to profit off the sale of personal protective equipment hospitals and then Donald Trump after losing the election wanted to Harden Mike Pence for. I think that would be challengeable on under the theory that we were just discussing. How the a corrupt pardon of a co-conspirator probably would be ruled. What would be would be deemed illegal by a court so let's assume that Donald Trump steps down one four the end of his term and Mike Pence. Pardon him same. Principle would hold true because my pace would then be the one issuing the corrupt harden of the co-conspirator Donald Trump. Obviously a lot of you know evidentiary facts would have to fall in place. Approval this up But I have a feeling if issue was ever been a present itself it is going to present itself between November and when Joe Biden takes over as president. Yeah that's really interesting particularly I mean we. We always talked early on about how pence seemed to just distance himself by a mile from for many of any of the Potential Crimes Obstruction of justice violations etc and. I'm wondering now. I'm wondering if he was advised early on. Hey you need to be kept far away from any of this so that you can pardon trump into you know And so maybe that was a little bit about why he was so you know. Keeping arm's length Away from US the other thing we we know the price. Joel Ford paid for pardoning Richard Nixon. Which really was an unconscionable and it has led to where we are today with. Donald Trump's Mike Pence if you really wasn't intimate intimately involved in all of trump's crimes over the past three and a half years he the political animal he might want to survive so even if trump did end up stepping down prior to the expiration of his term. Mike Pence might say hey. Sorry about your luck sport but I am not throwing a potentially corrupt. Pardon your way and killing my political career you know. I think pence is just that devious and You know and and is interested in protecting his own political liability. Yeah and it also depends on what trump has on him. Doesn't it no doubt? Hey would you mind sticking around through this quick break? I have one more question for you that I wanNA talk about okay. Great everybody stick around. We'll be right back with Glenn Kirschner G in this helping. Daily beans is brought to you by magic spoon. A this is just the most incredible I've ever put in my body growing up zero. It was one of the best parts of being a kid as an adult. I had to give it up because cereal had all the CARBS and sugar and chemicals and preservatives and junk that you shouldn't eat but now drum roll please. I have found magic spin. This is a serial that tastes so delicious but I run around and I- I forced people to eat it. 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Republicans are still going to be trying to sell that old line that Russia had nothing to do with interfering in the two thousand sixteen elections. But so I think this is Amiss. Miscalculation because It was sort of famously reported. Some time ago that Rod Rosenstein was so concerned with Donald Trump's potentially lawless behavior that the offered to wear a wire to wear a recording device when he was talking with the president of the United States now career. Prosecutors typically. Don't forget to do something like that against. Let's you know the the the leader of the free world unless there is. There's such overwhelming dramatic evidence that the president is involved in crime and we need to catch him talking dirty on the recording. So you know I would wear Rod Rosenstein out questioning him about you. Know why was it? You know what was so dramatic that you were concerned about that prompted you to make this remarkable suggestion and then we also know that Rod Rosenstein Raise the prospect of twenty five eighteen. The president of the United States the twenty Fifth Amendment seeking to have him removed from office for being unfit. And you know he may have tried to backtrack and back pedal and say well. Maybe I was saying it as a joke no you. Weren't you know joke about something like that? Particularly not in your position at the Department of Justice so these are the areas of inquiry that are going to be right for the Democrats on the Judiciary Committee. And I think the American people deserve to know why people in the highest echelons of the Department of Justice believed. The president was unfit such that they needed to talk about removing him via the twenty Fifth Amendment. And why felt like they couldn't even be in the room with a man and talk with them unless they were wired up? Yeah those would be some really interesting questions to try to get the answers to and I would ask what you know. When you told president trump you would land the plane. What did you mean by that? I'd be interested in those communications As well Now Rosenstein is put out a statement. He says I'm grateful to Graham for the opportunity to testify about information that has come to light concerning the feige process and the FBI counter intelligence decision making as a result of completed inquiries by Department of Justice. Inspector General Horowitz and ongoing reviews by us. Attorney John Durham and Jeff. Jensen if you remember Jeff. Jensen was the one who was put in charge of looking into the Flynn case During my three decades of service in law enforcement I learned firsthand that most local state and federal law enforcement officers deserve high confidence But also that even the best law enforcement officers make mistakes and that some engaged in willful misconduct. Independent Law Enforcement Investigations Judicial Review and Congressional oversight are important checks on the discretion of agents and prosecutors. We can only hope to maintain public confidence if we correct. Mistakes hold wrongdoers accountable and adopt policies to prevent problems from recurring. So He seems to have his script ready to go. Yeah boy and bears the Rod Rosenstein that we all remember standing behind. Bill Barr with the hostage is still bar mischaracterize. The findings of the Muller reports. You know nobody will accuse Rod Rosenstein of having the strength of character But it does sound like he's you know he wants to have it both ways. He sounds like a bit of a chameleon I don't have high hopes that we're going to get much useful information out of him. There will be lots of qualifications and caveats and I don't recall but You know I fear that he will continue to do bill. Bars bidding which as we all know. Donald Trump's bidding because if he didn't have the courage of his convictions to stand up to bill bar when he was flat out lying to the American people and trying to poison the well of public opinion regarding what Bob Muller have really found as judge. Reggie Walton has now famously written Bill BAR LACKS CANDOR. And Bill Bar. Mischaracterized the Muller reports findings I don't have high hopes that Rob Rosenstein is going to don a Superman Cape and tell the American people. What's what. Yeah in the beginning of the Mueller investigation. It sure seemed like Rod. Rosenstein was somebody that we could put our trust into He seemed to be defending Muller. And now I think there's been so much information that's come out to the contrary That he was actually you know. And and and WHO KNOWS? I mean we've seen a more unredacted version of the scope of what Muller was allowed to look into Muller says testified that Rod didn't tell him no on investigating anything but I mean that could be a technical answer and there could be underlying things that we don't know about. I would sure like some of these Senate judiciary members to try to get to the bottom of that. Yeah but but let's face it when Rod Rosenstein when it was time for him to step up and man up or up. Which is my favorite trays post. Maria IANOVICH and Dr Fiona Hill When he when he had the opportunity to correct bill bars lies about the mother report He failed and he failed miserably. You know I. I am not making light of this. Bill Bar had his knee on the neck of the mother. Report and Rod Rosenstein just Kinda stood by passively and watched bill bar. You know kill any hoax of justice from Bob Muller's investigation. Yeah Yeah it was extremely frustrating. I remember it well and we were all like wait. What's Rod Rosenstein doing? Because we had a. We had had a false sense of trust. I think at that point still which has been totally obliterated in the Department of Justice since then got through all right well thank you so much for speaking with me today Where can people find your Youtube Channel? It's an incredibly informative. I really really think people should subscribe to that. And we're gonNA find you online. Yeah well thank you so I started youtube channel a couple of months ago born of I think frustration. Because you know we're all cova coverage all the time and I fully understand that I'm not criticizing editorial decisions but so I started posting crime day Video on Youtube. It's simply under my name. Blend Kirschner and it is. It is free. I was determined not to make it a pay for subscription Venture so I hope people will go. I hope you'll watch the videos If they're informative than please subscribe to the channel. It doesn't cost you a penny and today's Today's video will be going up this evening about twitter's decision to check check Donald Trump's tweets and donald trump who has a deep deep misunderstanding of the Constitution. Says that his first amendment rights are being violated his free speech rights and he doesn't understand that it's only governmental conduct cracking down on. Somebody's free speech. Rights that would pose First Amendment Challenges. But let's face Donald Trump. He can't even spell constitution part. And after that. I think he's probably lost well. Well here's here's Here's hoping that That our agencies and OUR JUDICIARY SURVIVE. I think they will I. I do agree with you. Even though you know McConnell's pack the courts I think the we still have a strong judicial system and especially in DC. So here's Hoping Yeah. We got a lot of rebuilding to do come January. I'm ready for it and I know you're ready for it. So thanks again for joining me today. Former army jag former. Us Federal Prosecutor and MSNBC legal analyst. Thank you very much Glen Kirschner. Thank you appreciate all right. Anna have quick headlines from under the radar today. The Department of Justice is dropping investigations into three senators for insider trading the DOJ informed lawyers for Loftier Feinstein and inhofe but the into Richard Burr continues. That's not at all. Weird bird was about to release the counterintelligence report on the Russia investigation as the chair of the House intelligence committee or excuse me the Senate Intelligence Committee Which Senator Marco Rubio has now taken over? Let's see if Marco Rubio releases that report before the election. Which is it was due out very soon. And Republicans are suing to stop the House from voting by proxy more than Twenty Republicans are suing Pelosi and other officials in federal court to block proxy voting arguing. That it's unconstitutional earlier this month. The House approved new rules that allowed remote voting and remote hearings for the first time in the Chambers History. But under those rules you could also vote on behalf of up to ten colleagues which is by proxy voting and those ten colleagues may be unable to travel to the capital because of the pandemic the chamber is scheduled to vote by proxy Wednesday. That's today for the first time since the new rules were approved and as of late Tuesday more than fifty five members filed notification letters with the House clerk of their plan to vote by proxy and other Related News. House minority leader. Kevin McCarthy is ask Democrats to pull the bill that would renew three expired fighting surveillance tools and this is raising new doubts about whether Congress can get the measure over the finish line. The bill was crafted by bar and trump's top conservative allies but Tuesday night trump encouraged republicans to tank legislation. It doesn't really fit with his narrative about hating Faiza. Trump has a history of threatening to blow up the FIS. Reauthorization vote and has asserted without evidence. That Obama and Biden were involved in wiretapping. His campaign they were not. This is in fact the vote that was supposed to include those new by proxy votes. We'll keep you posted and speaking of voting remotely White House Press Secretary Kaley. Mcenaney can't seem to put her bluster where her ballot is from the Tampa Bay times quote for a week mcenaney as defended President Donald Trump's assault on vote by mail insisting that it invites election fraud but like her boss. Mcenaney has taken advantage of its convenience time and time again in fact she is voted by mail in every Florida election. She has participated in since twenty ten. That's eleven times in ten years. She's voted by mail most recently. She voted by mail in the states. March twenty twenty presidential primary just about a month and a half ago just as trump did. After he made Florida his new permanent home. Mcenaney said it was okay for trump. Because he's the president and in a statement she made today. It's okay for her to because you know she's absent and that's what absentee means. Are You stupid absentee absent? You can't vote in person without a reason. They don't think covert as a reason so again. One set of rules for them in one for the rest of us and from politico Pompeo of the State Department put together an undisclosed board of outside advisers while he was director of C. I. A. That some viewed is inappropriately weighted toward wealthy individuals and well-connected public figures. This is all coming from new reporting from Natasha Bertrand. She's national security correspondent for politico. She says the advisors were often treated to quote elaborate multiday experiences including fancy dinners classified briefings and at least one trip to the CIS training facilities. According to Tasha Bertrand. These are not against the law. These do not run afoul of the law but several former. Cia officials thought that this activity crossed the line which is pretty much. This entire administration operates all the time and finally the Biden campaign is named Rashawn Deci Martin as the national director for voter protection role. His campaign says we'll we'll focus broadly on voter rights including the disenfranchisement of people color specially amid the covid nineteen pandemic. Martin has a strong background in voter protection. work that she's done having previously served as the CEO of the DNC and as the DNC director of civic engagement and voter protection so we will be right back with the good news and Quarantine. Confessions with Amanda Reader. 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Yeah and if Memorial Day as the official kickoff summer it happened. It's really really hot here today. My quarantine fatigue kicked into overdrive today. I was like God. It's summer now but anyway I'm lucky and I am privileged and I'm not going to bitch about our beautiful weather. I shall. We do some good news. Do you have any good news to start off with no? I think I touched on all the good news that I had earlier in the show. I know that I'm excited for tomorrow's happy hour for the daily beans happy hour quarantine cocktail situation of in. We're going to be showing off our masks. Obviously if you're at home you don't have to wear it the whole time But I'm excited for that. So that's going to be fun we're going to do hashtags and and get the word out that it's It's cool to wear mask. It is cool to wear a mask and I really appreciate to like when I I feel such a such a sense of gratitude. When I see people wearing masks in my neighborhood you know like over who give way to me like. It's it's as much as I get frustrated with the folks who don't when there are people who do and give proper distance. I'm like yes. Thank you for making me feel safe in the world. So where you'll masks. Wash your hands. Maybe we should wear wash hands. Maybe we should make a shirt or something says. Thank you for wearing a mask. Yeah seriously you know the absolutely start teaching young men. Those who wear masks get all the hot chicks totally. It's hard to make out with a mask on but you make out as soon as you take it off. We'll have to pivot at some way. Sex sells we'll have to. I don't know maybe maybe have a mask that says my eyes are up here or something. That's funny that all right so tell me what does it. What does are good news for our listeners. Yeah this is always the best part of the show. Yeah this the first one is from lady diverge and she says my husband and I met sorry since my husband and I met he has wanted to join the navy but I was reluctant to support him at first because of my own misunderstandings but those have been rectified. And he now has my full support. I'm so proud to announce that my husband will be commissioning as an officer for the United States Navy Reserve Civil Engineering Corps. This Friday may twenty fourth. I mean twenty ninth by the way. Thank you for your service. Ag Yeah Heck Ya shipmate. Welcome to the FAM- congrats to your husband. Dude no you gotta play now you gotTa play the village people song all the time in the navy scope before he goes and Mikhail's navy. It's GonNa be good. It's a good good community. And congratulations. Also you know he's going to have a cute little uniform. That's always nice little man in uniform vibe. Keep things fresh The the cracker. Jack's by the way I don't know what part of the country they live in a certain certain parts of the country. You only wear the whites cracker. Jack's but in some parts of the country they have the blues. They're they're pretty much black. And it's just the hottest navy uniform ever The only problem is the pants. Have Thirteen Buttons One for each of the original colonies. So it's really difficult for fast sexy times but look amazing from personal experience No I don't know I don't even know what you're talking about I was actually Landau. I was an Orlando most of the time we had to wear whites and so those aren't the best looking uniforms but the when I was in Great Lakes Chicago into winter. Those dress loser very nice also all white pants for ladies I don't know about that. I am rarely willing to wear all white pants. But you know especially if you get in trouble for not being perfect all in the name of country alright. This is from Paul Museum and he says dear daily beans ladies. I listened to your podcast since the very beginning and everyday your hard work gives me hope and laughs. Thank you but today I can. I hope that I can return that favor. At least the part my best friend from kindergarten who? I lost contact with for many decades but have recently reconnected with facebook told me a week ago that his eighty one year old dad tested positive for covid nineteen and had been in the hospital for two months in a coma for twelve days while on a ventilator. The good news is he was released from the hospital where he went to rehab to learn how to walk again among other things and has since recovered and returned home to his wife of sixty two years. Oh my gosh I know. Oh good story thank you I know. Then he goes on to say. The local news was alerted to this story and videotaped the parade that marched by their house and celebration of his return. This couple is the sweetest pair of people I've ever known in the story lit up my whole month. I hope it does the same for all. Who Hear it? And then he gave us a twitter link to the story so I will tweet that out from from daily beans. That's so amazing awesome awesome. That's then he says thanks for all your hard work. Please keep it up all need it. Thank you Paul The next one is also really beautiful. You remember the woman who wrote in and said Hey. My teenage daughter is a lesbian. Wants to get politically involved. Yes yes and you. We gave her all these on how to do that. Well the teenage lesbian route to US night. She said Hi. I have listened to a few segments of your podcast but I know my mom listens to your podcast daily Mike good news is more good news. That has happened over time. My mom recently submitted. Some good news about me about how I wanted to be more involved politically and how I have been looking into gay rights. When I was much younger my biological mom was into drugs and was very abusive. Luckily my dad had met the woman that I call my mom today She she would protect me and although I was still at a very young age I can remember it all not too long afterwards. My Biological Mom. My Dad and my dad's wife went to court to fight for custody of me my dad and his wife one and his wife and became legal guardian. She got her name. Put my birth certificate and became my adopted mother. Although we have we have gotten too many fights along the way in the end. None of these stupid fights we have been in matter at all. I love her so much and I'm so grateful for her and my father and my mom deserves everything she gets. She has protected me fought for me and she has fully accepted me when I came out. She has spent money on silly little gay. Pride things for me to make me smile. When she could have been spending the money on things she would like instead my dad and her took me and my younger brother to prepared for the first time a few years back. She deserves so much recognition so much love so since I know my mom. Listen to this podcast. And we'll hear this mom. I love you so much. Thank you for everything you've done for me and for what you continue to do for me. I'm not your crag so hey mom you're doing a good job almost makes me want to have kids this is. These are the things that I think about when I'm not feeling so good. So thank you for that absolutely. Yeah the good news today and it was. It was emotional ones. So this is a short one from Craig Craig. Oh by the way teenage lesbian your real name. But I just want you to know that. I'm really proud of you for writing. This and for wanting to get politically updating. That's amazing and you're going to have an awesome life. I totally possible so stay strong all right from Craig. I'm great. I'm grateful for every day right now. I am finally fully recovered from covid and I'm now enjoying daily dance with my sweet four year. Old Baby Girl. You guys stop it. I know man this shit today. Like oh this. Here's a good way. Here's a here's a here's a good way to change the mood up and prepare us for Gordon. Confessions a little bit of a darker. Joey Joey says thank you so much for your daily dose of Humor in these difficult times. Spoonful OF SUGAR REALLY DOES HELP. The medicine go down. I'm a theatrical stage manager in New York City who works at a bar on the side. Damn that is to jobs. That are not possible right now. I don't know when my industry will return. Or what that will look like I am asthmatic so I am high risk for Kobe. Needless to say my anxiety has been sky. High tested positive for antibodies. But it does not change much about my behavior. I've been social distancing in quarantine alone since March but these test results of at least helped anxiety. My good news is that I live across the street from a major hospital in Manhattan and have not been able to go to the park next door because I couldn't emotionally handle seeing the triage tent and the cold storage mortgage truck that has been there since March but the morgue trek has finally been removed and I can walk to the park now. New York City is slowly moving in the right direction states. If yeah because it's because of all the social distancing in mitigation and following the following the rules and the guidelines so hats off to New York and New Yorkers y'all are resilient AF Today's get some real tm. No I mean it was. It was a lot about a lot of Covid steph today on the good news that I'm just a reminder of how much hard work everyone is doing and also how many people have been lost and how many people are recovering. So I feel like especially given the way. Our president is right now. We forgot we forget to talk about the stories of human people that are either being lost or you know or or having amazing recovery so thank you to our listeners for highlighting stories. Are we ready for some confessions? And yes I am ready for quarantine. Confessions and don't forget. We are starting a whole new spin off. Podcast called quarantine confessions. It's a first episodes going to drop some time on June six. Which is a Saturday so we can keep you You know entertained over the weekend and it's going to be fun and amazing so keep sending in your quarantine. Confessions what we have today right so the first one is from. Diane and Diane says my kids recently spent a couple of hours drawing on the sidewalk. I watched from Adirondack Chair with ear buds. Listening to your podcast. Thank you but I told them I was listening to a lecture so they would leave me alone. I also slipped ice water. No silly it was a large Margaret on the rocks. Sh- as I watched from the shade with my feet up very green ice water. It's green ice water yet. This is Mommy's special water. The this was the best hour of my day One drew a drawing of baby. Yoda that said. Stay home you must. And the other dream arena the octopus from animal crossing quarantine. Life is better with Tequila. A good shit all right from anonymous I have been catching up on the daily beans and I was going back a few weeks and finally heard the confessional of a couple doing a porn have account during quarantine and I thought wait. Someone else is doing that too. Yes my wife and I have started in an account just for the fun of it keeping our love life spicy. I have no clue how many followers we have because it doesn't really matter. Just the rush of our videos being on the Internet is a turn on for US. Cheers to you. All we love the PODCAST and fondly. Remember meeting you own Seattle. Hello Seattle Lights Hello Seattle. It's buddy support you. Yes we support you good. Good good for you. We all got to entertain ourselves in quarantine. Soc Shit was bound to get weird from Rachel. Rachel says things are getting weird around here during the quarantine. Today we were having today. We were having a truly majestic impressive giant with dinner. You know I couldn't let this go unremarked so I put it in my pants. Good thing I wear anymore is yoga pants and one over in rubbed it on my husband. I think I surprised him but he didn't even laugh. You just looked at me and said you're really perfect for me. This reminds me of when your wife and Eye Amanda when we used to go to the Mission Hills cafe all the time and our waiter Jason who we call. Take off your pants. Jason was there and he always ordered the same thing and what it was and then we would go across the street to lamp later and Sing Karaoke together and this is a long time ago. This is like when we were twenty five and to twenty one years ago so we won one day were at Michele's cafe and it's like autumn is happening. And so they have this like display of gourds and Cornucopia and fall autumn leaves and Shit like that and they had the biggest fucking. I think it was Zucchini. That either of US ever seen and it was sort of curved at one end and it probably had a good seven inch garth on it was probably about twenty inches long. The thing was humongous and I looked at Joel and I get it and so she Chris. She grabbed the You. Keeney put it in her coat and watch you restaurants. I mean I've since I've since replaced their Gordon. But she she just imagine your wife with hurt you know with her fo- for coat and just like opening it up like like like somebody's selling watches on the street just being like Zucchini and then and it's just this giant thing and then we went back to my house. Put It on top of the fridge sat up there until it kinda needed to be thrown away but yeah excellent use of Zucchini. I'm proud of you and we have a lot in common. Yeah I feel you Rachel. We are kindred spirits. We we're smaller people. Yeah ask ask you about the giants. Houdini exactly she said this is what romance looks like. In the time of Co bit as much as I hate all this. It's been fun to stay home and get weird. Thanks for all you do. We have one last quarantine confession Anonymous says last Saturday. My boyfriend and I were GIN. And Pizza Drunk. That's that's the thing I know. Exactly what you're saying because sometimes you're just drunk off with alcohol but then you mix and a whole bunch of pizza and it takes it to another place of bliss. That's my federal coming out. You guys when suddenly we started talking about the acid stash are old roommate had left behind. He said there was no way that I will be able to find an all the stuff that was left in the closet and bet me that if I could find it in less than five minutes he would take them. Let me tell you I have never looked so hard for anything in my life. As time went off I held a small tin in my hand. I didn't open it yet but we both knew I had one. I didn't think he would actually take it. I just wanted bragging rights but guess what he did and we wound up dosing together for the first time and had an amazing night watching. Have a good trip on Netflix. And binging the full season of the Midnight Gospel which which which got really deep but was just such an incredible random night with the man that I love. We listened to your show every day and we knew you appreciate our confession. Thanks for everything that you do I do I do appreciate it. I actually Having worked I have a confession Canadian. A confession please. Having worked for the Federal Government for twelve years I did not smoke pot or weed or do anything like that. Because you can't but on Monday night I believe your wife brought me some Gumy's and I took in what was it. It was an indica. Gummy one of the great ten milligrams ones. And how was it? Well here's a snippet of a conversation that we had from from from this I said Shack is friends with the general that makes sense that makes sense. Actually and then she responded. Ll OMG quote. That makes sense. And I said ha ha will it does more than snoop and the general. I don't believe that at all goes. I'm looking forward to reading this tomorrow. And then and then I had asked her like. Do you know what I'm talking about. She's like yeah. Yeah the commercials like okay because we've been extra funding if you had no idea what I was talking about A. That's my confession. Well welcome welcome. Thank you thank. You slept like a baby. Yeah Little Little Baby. Bird with no tolerance. Hey what the hell is shack hanging out with general for way? No that makes sense mean it was. It was interesting. It's the the thing that was goofy. Though was the first of the moment I took it and it was started hit me. I turned the TV on and there was this crazy crown. Royal commercial where it's like Rube who've been it's all psychedelic and there's like birds flying and some new F- Generational Crown Royal Apple Commercial. And I was like what the hell did that just happen. And then I wanted recorded it and to to watch it just to make sure that that's what happened. I sent it to Joel and go. This is not helping. She just started laughing at me because after that commercial was over I sat there literally for about. I'd say a minute with just my just my mouth open like was that you were like. Wow what a sensory experience that was. And then I just started laughing and then and then I had to rewind it and take a video of it off my television with my phone and said it to Joel. Say told me that. This is weird. Freaking out gosh good times good times. It's funny very funny. Also our animal crossing discord is still pop folks. So you should if you would like to join join. I know a bunch of people buying switches off of Ebay just so they join the discord and hang out with us. How many people are on our discord? I want to say one hundred. Let me double check here. I want to one hundred and fifty. Now let's Jolie we have. That isn't happening. Dischord we actually have one hundred ninety. Six in our animal crossing discord. So yeah there's almost almost hundreds of you. I was able to sell my turnips on Monday from At at a place that was selling them for over five hundred. I made a million bells. So that was that was awesome. Hell Yeah it's pretty fun. I really think that Joel Start. Like a stream or a podcast or like youtube videos or something of her animal crossing commentary because she has so much to say and it's really adorable like I'll walk into the room and she will give me like a whole story about the projects currently working on and I'm like someone wants to hear one hundred percent and her island is amazing to so nice chatting with you today. Dude yeah it's been really great. And what incredible. Good news stories now souness. I needed tissue. And such good quarantine. Confessions keep sending him in We're GONNA make a whole new podcast and you're gonNA love it and Yeah. I'm excited to see you all at the Patriot. Happy Hour tomorrow. It will be a five or four PM for patrons Who get access to the whole stream and then we're going to tweet out the link for the second half to non-patrons from the daily means pot account at five but yeah if Pacific Time yes Pacific term ABC. I'm a patriot. Patriotic DOT com slash daily beans. 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Episode 1

Sci-Fi Talk

55:41 min | 1 year ago

Episode 1

"Now another addition of Tony. Tell auto on Cy Talk Lord of the Rings Julian sands is a creepy man. Who Your Mazda? How long someone I to the hat. Wow Hey that's great appreciate you. My guy the Archangel. Gabriel his was really what is most important. Is that Burnham forgives herself as Burnham carry a tremendous amount of built in shame when name is Alex Zahara played even God's Zales to iron shirt. The one eyed us Ricki Lee Coca Code Code Rush Omen. Coca-cola Sifi talk typical behavior special effects. And what's it like curfew both to kind of act the things that aren't there. Well you know sometimes you have the experience anyway. With people all day gone in part because of the hopeful nature of genes vision but also because of its message of diversity and inclusion long and prosper. Everybody welcome this. Is Tony Tomato live? This is on May twenty nine. It's exactly two oh one. Pm and we are here on this. I Live edition. It's kind of a test run. The plan is to eventually have live guests on with me rather than just my little voice talking here. But that's hopefully down the road technically. There's some things that will need to kind of get together and sort out before that will happen so I might bring in what I would call a ringer one of my many friends to come on with me and and kind of join me for the podcast so we shall see well. There's a few things I want to talk about before. We kind of get into a shortage speed and first of all is the announcement of the Zach. Snyder cut of Justice League. I mean I cannot believe all the many things that are coming out about it dark side. The Adam Grieve and green lantern. You WanNa get psyched about it and get excited. But you don't know what you're going to see once it's all cut together. What is definitely happening? Is That Warner Brothers? Kicking in an extra twenty million dollars and they're going to bring back some of the actors for re-shoots or at least shoot Zach's vision that I'm sure Zach will direct so it's going to be available on. Hbo Max in Two Thousand Twenty one another exciting announcement that I very psyched about is star. Trek strange new worlds and that is a series that I was hoping was going to happen. And basically continuing the adventures of Captain Christopher Pike with Anson Mount and the end title row. Rebecca Romaine has number one and even pack continuing his portrayal of Mr Spock looking forward to that. I think it's GonNa be awesome and Another another star trek show on On CBS on CBS. All access so. I'm pretty psyched about that. One to the Zach Snyder cut. You don't know what to expect to be honest but it's going to be different for sure so we'll see but two things kind of Pique. Your interest as we are all kind of shuddered in these days and I I certainly hope all of you are taking care of yourselves and also your loved ones as we all kind of hunker down as they say the chat room is open. So if you WANNA come on and chat with me. That's fine too. I don't expect a big turnout. Honestly because it's the first one I did promote this a little bit but But you know we'll see another thing. I found out that I wanNA share the Nebula awards nominations. I'm GonNa go through just one category. Which is the Ray Bradbury Nebula award for outstanding dramatic presentations first nominee as captain marvel and the Writers and Bowdoin Ryan Fleck and Geneva Robertson to art and of course for Marvel the second one is demand Laurie in the episode that child written by John Fabio for Disney plus a series? I covered and I happened to interview some of these folks. Good Omens hard times episode written by Neil Gaiman from Amazon studios and BBC Studios and watchmen another great series. A God walks into a bar that was written by Jeff Jensen and show runner Damon Lindelof on HBO Avengers Endgame. Probably the best avengers movie written by Christopher Markus and Stephen mcfeely for marvel studios so what they borrowed from back to the future. Part two and Russian doll the way out. Probably the dark horse candidate and now is written by Allison Silverman me and Leslie Hedlund and that is from Netflix. So Amazon's is going into the podcasting arena as well though be actually be delivering them. According to Bloomberg the article says they will be put into Amazon music and also replace tune-in as a default podcast experience for speakers. Meanwhile at their audible they're said to be looking at a different price point to allow access to audible original shows but not to books. And you know after Joe. Rogan's megadeal not mega. But Larry King Eighty six year old former. Cnn interviewer signed a five million dollar deal for his for his first ever. Podcast the millionth question. Focusing on entertainment and celebrity look forward in mid June shows being produced by four for forty and their media company. That's owned by Jeff Beecher and Larry Son chance so on speaker and speaker rather and we are here now. We have approximately six almost seven hundred episodes of sci-fi talk available in different podcasts. That are available for you to listen. So far I've had a great experience here and I look forward to being which breaker for quite some time. What is going to happen? And I will be the first to say it is all the different podcast or going to be part of the SF t network which is short for Scifi. Talk and essentially all connected in one particular network. And they'll be in the fall. We'll have our. This is kind of our soft rollout in the fall. We'll have our our complete kind of Beta or big rollout of this particular. You Know Network that I'm putting together. It's been a lot of fun. There will be two new podcast. That are coming out. One is still under discussion because it just doesn't involve me but another one I can tell you about. It's called Fan centric and this is a podcast I wanted to do. That is very fan related. It's to feature people that 'cause play and not just concentrate on their the characters they portray and all that but also the fact that they how they create their costumes. We'll have some of your favorite. Tv shows that have a fan base that he's huge in addition. We'll have a legion on here as well and my interviews with Legion and I certainly hope to have them back on a monthly basis to update us on their projects and that is under discussion with them. At the moment. They'll be fan projects. Look at convention not just the big cons but the small conscious well interviews with some of your favorite journalist and even fan reviews and essentially were fan record a review. Send it to me and I will have a special Dropbox available where they can upload the the interview after I you know after I I after we connect and all that and essentially all uploaded and if I really like it we will play it on on the podcast on the fan. Centric podcast so rather than go through all different podcasts that I have available which which would be too much. We're going to specifically look at one in particular and it's called Scifi talk the first season this goes back to the early days of my podcasting and one of the people I spoke to you on the New York. Comic CON Convention floor was Gareth. Thomas Gareth Thomas. Here's my I grew up. No it's Garrett Edwards who of course directed rogue one but he did a film at the time called Monsters and here is a little bit of my interview. We'd Cavern Edwards. Now it will be available on Fi. Talk to for cease in terms of the creeks design. I didn't I didn't know what the hell they look like. When we were filming that I tend to the I did because they like. What the Hell is this guy? What are we looking at and I would and I felt reassured that when we close encounters they didn't know what the The mothership looked like or anything like that. So I kinda while this is this you know if it worked closely is gonNA explain for me and so It was the biggest thing hanging over me while square in post production was What the Hell is like how the hell am I gonNA do? Them and I spent all my spare time if I was ever on the phone or just waiting the editor or just the little sketches creatures and I collected hundreds of them and at the end of this whole process. I shortly strict to about a hundred and four different images. I liked all happy with and we had the world's craziest beauty pageant where I presented them to their production company and put them all on the on these boards. We went in and and I want them to pick one for me because I couldn't see the what's the trees like which one looks cool and and they couldn't pick either and so there was one that I sort stood out my favorite and so But it's a cliche but the creatures evolved in the computer was what looks good on paper. It doesn't look good in three dimensions. And then what looks? Good in? Three dimensions doesn't win. It's lit let's good when it doesn't look good when it's animated then well it's good when he's anime. It doesn't look good in the final shaw and always this chicken and egg constantly going back to the design. Changing the look and I kept doing this and I was supposed to be doing nearly two shots at age. Keep on schedule and I was achieving that I've five months since two hundred fifty shots in the film and then I got my first shot and took two months before a single one because of this chicken and egg situation where I was. Just it just took me forever to get to that point whereas okay creature that that. That's good and what's going to be featured is not only my one on one interviews but also roundtables and this one in particular were Chandler Riggs Young Chandler Riggs and Andrew Lincoln from New York Comic Con on the walking dead and today from the walking dead season three roundtables a young Chandler Riggs Andrew Lincoln at New York comic con unchanged death and that third season. The funny thing is I think of two characters were gone through both not only separately but as father and son this past season in both. Speak about that especially when it was like for you to kill you. I know somebody that we knew entrust them. Yeah well I mean that was my first walk kill and it was that night season it was cold. Percents is exactly but it was. It was I mean I I don't even know I'm trying to remember. It was just too for me when all is so fast was shot over and over and over again. And what like sixteen degrees like yeah? It was a man I mean it was It was it was cool cool. I mean to to be able to change into a different character to see that evolution from the kid and season one. That doesn't do anything dancer and cries in up to having to kill one of his one of his best friend you know if ever there was a rites of passage. He's he's added. You know what I mean. It's my best friend my brother and he saw he's seen that his something has happened and it at that night and he takes him down. I mean if ever that was you know the the child became the man in that moment it was that and I think that that's certainly what we wanted to do. I mean that's one of the great joys of why what attracted me to the part in the first place is that it's about a man is about everybody changing. You can't by definition of the world you can have it. You have to keep changing otherwise you die you have to keep adapting to this world otherwise you die and I think that it's brutal world and so parenting in apocalypse is you know it's it's it's not the same way we would do. You know we don't have the IPADS ipod any distractions. I mean. I wanted that. I seen if you've seen it but we did lots of ad-lib with the county I wanted. I wanted you to really realize that. This is a finely tuned unit that is used to. I mean I woke up fifteen steps and we just talked about it a lot about what had happened in the intervening months and it gets cold. The Wolf is slow down so we get a chance to adapt into workout. How to you know to fight how to sort of unify the to the youngest when when the convoy stops. You don't even see this but this is what we did the cost. Stop the convoy after we've been attacked. Emily Kinney place bath a magnificent actress. I mean seriously mind-blowing matches. She goes to the back of the convoy. I stepped forward. Fifteen steps this. The boy the kid comes forward sits and say fifteen no more and he starts counting and so the youngest are the is it is the best you know little things like that. I love is that we would have done and you don't see and I was. I was adamant I said to the editor said. You gotTa keep that line in fifteen more so people don't know what it is but you see that is finely tuned out the. There's almost telepathic. With each other to be to survive in this this and it's so quiet. Well yeah but I wanted to that time. We don't have watches anymore. Everything's being stripped away from us. That's the joy of the show. It's no it's not about finding serums accused stuff it's about everything being stripped away. And how human beings if all evil? That was a huge moment when Carl Killed Shane and It's great relive. That of course both are off. Show Andrew. Lincoln is off making his own. Walking dead movie and supposedly it will not be shown in theaters. Is I last heard another thing that you'll hear on Scifi Talk? Diverse season are red carpet interviews. Let's go back in time with a time. Lord and Matt Smith when he first when he first got the role. Here is Matt Smith at the Paley Center here in New York City great regeneration scene by the way to thank you and the first step yet. I haven't watched the first step all you're GonNa Watch you tonight. I'm GonNa Watch what I really enjoy it but I think what I saw your speaking vampires from Venice. Yeah I saw a clip of you in that room and I saw you evoking other doctors and then I saw enough of your comedic talent. Just being matt and bringing that to the doctor. It's really kind of future. Sisa thank you so much. So what's it been like for you to you? Know you're following very popular doctor and getting into this and you know you you just kind of throw everything to the wind and just kind of roll with it exactly. That's exactly what it is a very intelligent question very intelligent way. That's exactly what you do because you think about these things too much and if you thought about it you'd never get anything done you know. You never kissed the go on so you try your best to be inventive and creative as you can possibly be on and these things. Rony as intimidating as you allow them to be a job to do and I call it that anything getting away with that so I consider the cost too much now on the look the doctor. Did you have any input on the bow tie? Look for sure. Yeah Yeah always read that process and not point some braces and we try very tired and wore jacket and my first edition so the first season is behind you. We haven't seen again. But how how does it feel like especially after? It's all wrapped. What's your impression of it? I mean what was overwhelming was the response in England because we didn't know how people are going to react and their reacted favorably and I feel a great sense of achievement. Having done the hardest thing I've ever had to do as an and the greatest thing I've ever had to do So I feel very proud that we've done as a team and I I think we've made a magical series of TV and I heard the people of America like it getting to him. I think acid twelve. Okay well thank you very much. Same here take care. That's some of what you'll hear on. Scifi talked the first season the podcast is available here at spreaker and I certainly hope you subscribe to it. You can also subscribe to it at. I tunes as well and it's actually doing fairly well considering it's a fairly new podcast only a few months old and it downloads. Happen good and I really appreciate that concern response from fans of Merlin on on twitter because they love the show and I have a lot of stuff covering Merlin from years past and happy to share that with you and actually coming up. I'll have Colin Morgan's interviews from humans as well so it's something else to look forward to. The chat room is open as I say again. Hopefully as we do more these more of you will get used to being there but you can literally go in. Say What's on your mind and I'll be happy to address it and give you a little bit of a forum and you know. Hopefully we'll be able to into future. Have some of you on as well? So the beauty of this setup and this is the TechNet technical part that I'm kind of working on is that this allows me to connect to skype and other live venues or I can have live guests and that is the definite plan but for the first one. I just wanted to come on to tell you what I was doing and to play some of the podcast that are available and also podcasts. That haven't been uploaded yet or haven't been live yet. That are coming up so I wanted to do that as well. So let's let's proceed and one of the shows. Now I believe it's two episodes. Old is a snow piercer. Based on the on the movie I liked the movie a lot. It has themes of clash and and all of that and really just surviving in a apocalypse. And we're we're kind of having our own version of that these days but anyway I spoke to Alex. Parnevik who is in the series and here is part of our interview high today I have Alec Parnevik and of course we remember him from Van Helsing and now he is in a new series snow. Piercer and I'll be honest Alex when I heard about this. It was like the movie was so good. You know. Should they just leave it alone? But it I've watched three episodes so far. I really like this. Oh you watched three episodes. I didn't know that yes. Yes one of the benefits of being press. You get to screen things ahead attack. I haven't seen anything and I'm just so excited for it and there's some people that have seen it on set and so. I'm I'm the one going what you've seen it. I wanted to see it and now you've seen it. I'll be the last man that's awesome. Yeah I do like it. I do like it a lot. I thought As I said I had my reservations. It's like really. It's like why you know recycling something but then after watching it I go. Oh I see what they've done. They've made some important changes expanded. The world and really kind of you know added more layers at a movie. Couldn't there's definitely enough material for a series to go on for years with what I've seen so far. Yeah it's it's massive on sambol right. Yes Yup I had an amazing moment. 'cause I've been a fan of hers you know. Since Day One. She's beautiful and talented and so excited to be able to work with her and I had the opportunity to working on a scene with few scenes. But there's once beings seem specifically. Was you know we were trying to figure out a way how we can get to one section of the train to the other and how we can actually make this happen and just the blocking of in in the technical aspect of it? And what was great. That whole atmosphere is it lends to creativity from all the actors of just giving suggestions does would this work or hey what if I started over here a little bit later? It's like Oh yeah that would work or you know what we need you in the scene and to watch her troubleshoot A scene being the number being the lead on the show but trouble shoot scene with welcoming other suggestions but but doing it so compassionately. You know she if she thought well. That wouldn't work because of this she would still hear you out. Look you in the eyes. And then the waste explains that. She's one of the most modest and kindness actors that I've met in the moment of working on a on a scene. She was just. I was blown away at her not only a professionalism but kindness and smart she is during those kind of moments so I was really I was. I was super impressed and thankful that I got experienced that with our so. Yeah her her leading the train. And and the Massive Ensemble. Samba of insanely talented actors. I'm over the Moon West like it's pretty great. I've seen the senior. I think I saw this and you're talking about is the very first scene we see you and I don't know Alex plays breach bus of it and I will try to dance around this but yes. There's there's something going on and he sitting in a chair and what was cool. Is He reacts to something and can I love and his reaction right there tells you the kind of and then his reaction to Ta- chatted for a character also tells you how he is. My impression was that he looks at her. It's like yeah you you're you're from the front but I'm one of the guys that gets things done around here so listen to what you say but this is my neighborhood quite accurate. I mean the the cool thing about it for me was the breach men And there's like seven or eight of us and I'm the head of it and and we have the most we have. We're we're more rogue and a little bit more off the cuff. We kind of go to the beat of our own drummer. And but we have massive respectable for Welford But we know that our job. No one would be there if it wasn't for us and our job we're the only ones that are are are equipped enough not only to go outside of the train into the environment but to fix whatever is wrong with the trained So we know how important we are and we kind of we kinda use that little bit of Muscle. You know you could. You could command me. You could tell me what to do how to rank but you know what it's almost like I I want to treat it like Hawkeye and B. J from you know just a little bit you know. We get what you're saying when the when she when stuff needs to get done we'll do it but you know we're just gonNA hang out so yeah. Yeah well I I can tell you. Having seen the special effects and their day are up to par and fantastic and the that differentiate the different parts of the train are fantastic to what I liked about the movie and what I like about this. That they've kept is the the class system on the train and between the front end the very back obviously? It's a reflection of our society as well but it's more condensed being on this train and there's a lot of gold to be mind their stories to tell your guy's GonNa play a little bit into it as well based on where he is higher. That's right yeah that's that's right on point and and the idea of the classes it just makes total sense and especially in the Times that we're living in right now it it kind of dropped right into right into it. Perfectly of how we're dealing with the world right now so it really puts a mirror up to your face to almost call you out on which which not. Only which class are you? But how do you treat other classes? What people see also is that there is an underground as well. That really wasn't talked about much in the movie by. There's a pending on a person's job some of them kind of Moonlight. Doing other things that you'll see and I'd like that part of it too which makes sense because it's limited territory and everybody's kind of fighting for their own piece and that's a very interesting way to attack this series. I I liked that law. I honestly when I first started reading 'cause that was a fan of of the of the original also and when I started reading it and and so you know I was basically brought on for a few episodes And didn't really know the fate of my character and still don't which is awesome and so when I first started reading the script I was more or less thinking. This is just another job which is great. You know like I got another job super grateful but then the script and I was like. Oh my God. I'm in this. This is amazing so I was extremely happy and and thankful to get the job and it'd be working with these people on a script like that and then you know as you're reading it and you you you read the The weather conditions. And how like? How were they going to actually do this stuff? And so while we were shooting at I was just so blown away at the way the pro. Even the practical special effects were done so amazingly the makeup team. The hair team everyone. Everyone's just been great and and it's just huge on SAMBA. Like saying and the cool thing about the unbelievable you get to work with some amazing people that you've seen before like mickey summer and L. Aaron Glenn Jailing Fisher is is doing some great work And he he plays a young kid of David Digs and digs and San Mateo. Alison right you know a quasi and the director and Ito and see what I can go on forever about these guys just next level Michael Molly who is like hilarious on the show. Just being around him and energy on the show the energy on the show. It's Kinda next level because everyone kind of energetically helps everyone else because we were pulling some long hours and you know and you're on a train so there's really not a lot of environment happening but with those talented people always making it fun and then dropping in when we have to drop in Lead by example. And it's been a joy to be a part of the I really like ca you mentioned Mickey and I really like her. I like her character. And I think people are gonNA really discover divide digs as well. I think has Andre. I think people are gonNA. I think this is going to open up a lot of doors for him because as one of these fantastic again it taking a deviated path from the original. But it's a welcome path. It's like it's becoming Tang but still keeping the flavor of the original film. Which which totally do I? I totally agree. And an say shared some scenes Jennifer Mickey Mike and You know and and I've been a fan of defeat since day one cage. I'll just give you a little bit like I'm a huge Hamilton Fan. So when I found out what I found out he was a part of this. I did fan girl a little bit because I think he's an extremely talented dude and and I love Hamilton and Hamilton and So when I got to share the screen with them you know. I was a little bit of Anger League and there was this one moment where we're doing together. I'm more on the outside. And he just kind of throws a line at me. I don't really say anything. But he kind of directs line at me But but I do reply quickly with something he he did it with a tiny bit of cadence from Hamilton. The way he delivered that line sounded like in a Hamilton Song. And I froze because I was like I'm looking into the eyes of the dude but did Hamilton and he's looking at me in the cadence as if I'm Hamilton right now. Alex Bondevik talked. The entire interview is available in my regular sci-fi talk feed and he stars one of the stars of TNT Snow Piercer. Highly recommend. You check that out another series of just ended their first season. Motherland Ford Salem. I was lucky enough to talk to the entire cast. Pretty much the entire cast almost any way and I got to speak to the show runner Eric Lawrence recently and yes. They've been renewed for season two and he gave me some clues as to what's coming up on season two high elliot. Great to talk to you man. I've been loving this show. It's been really a breath of fresh air. Will this virus stuck? I'll tell you we need something like this. It's certainly like a big weird swing. You know. Take your mind off of this other stuff absolutely welcome to sci-fi talking today have Elliot Lawrence a driving force and creator of the. I think one of the first hits of the spring Motherland Ford Salem. And as I was just saying boy. I'm so glad we had something like this to take us off our mind off virus And congratulations are in order. As they've been renewed for season number two awesome. Thank you so much shit we. We are so excited about this new that I had the great pleasure of calling our wonderful actresses today and there were a lot of happy tears. And we're just so grateful. I'm so grateful because I get to keep playing. And it's insanely kind of provocative located world. So I'm I'm over the moon today. Actually I just I saw divine instagram. They were chatting with fans. And everybody's asking. What about season do you know? I won't call myself a master world builder but I've been careful as I can and I've followed my own curiosity in terms of how everything would lay out differently and it's been so much fun and you know luckily with season two we're GonNa get you a slower. Some of this history in flash down not necessarily a pure flashback like you see but a more complicated kind of flashback. I WANNA give away. But we're going to some of these some of these historic conflicts. That that we're GONNA learn about and we're going to see them firsthand and I can't wait because again. There's just so much stuff to talk about. You know I'm a little older so I I like series to have something to say you know as well as entertained and this one has a message behind it and I think those kinds of messages endure a series to keep going and I think that's why you know so many people are hooking onto it because it has something to say it does and you know it's it's not just a show about attractive young people with magic powers which there are kind of a lot of those and and them and I certainly enjoyed those shows. But I think you're right in and it's another testament to free form. I mean it's kind of a show that that you know talks about stuff like genocide and slavery and some of the greatest evils of the world that unfortunately persist to this day. So you know it is it does have sort of deep gnarly roots and it does have something to say and let me tell you the crazy places. I'm taking in season two. I first of all you have to. I'm excited to see that because there are. I am Rub Paul. I don't know if you've been looking online or if you're protecting yourself but there are some protecting myself. Okay good Yeah but yeah. It's a whopper of finale and I'm so excited about Houston two as well. What is this series meant to you? Personally you know it. It was a it was a nice confirmation for me because I always have loved sci fi and fantasy and particularly the kind that you're talking about the kind that has something to say like my my personal create goddess of people like Octavia Butler and Margaret Margaret. Oh Yeah well. Both wrote in totally wrote and can totally engaging speculative fiction. But it's really about real stuff and something that quality really hooks me and and not to do it in a way. That's preachy or lesson like or a a very special episode of I. I am first and foremost I want to be an entertainer but if they can be about big gnarly stuff. I'm so much more interested in sounds like you are too. Yeah Oh yeah yeah absolutely but I will say the episode where the men are introduced boy that long warm side. I'll tell you was. That was pretty interesting. You know and and this is another thing we get into and season two. It's really interesting to unpack this matriarch. Easy how are thing? Yeah you know. It's it's so different from our world and sometimes it's in these really subtle way they know there's there's this scene where where the character Garrett Who so beautifully played by each. He says you know everybody knows. Women are stronger than men. And it's a throwaway line and it's not meant to have a light shone on it and it's not meant to be examined it just exists in this world and and it's it's fun to the you know. I don't want it to be campy. I don't want it to be. I don't know if you remember like Called Czar Dogs with with Sean Connery. You know he's walking around in a goal Bikini and the female rules are leading him around on at least I don't want it to be that implicit of gender and power flip. I want it to be much more nuanced but boy is it to unpack those differences. And I'm looking forward to seeing Season to obviously wait. There's not a lot of shooting going on right now so we have. We have to wait and see but obviously you'll have some time to craft the the stories for season two for sure that's true and listen. Thank you so much for this interview. I really appreciate it. Okay Elliot Lawrence. I said it was Eric. So there's a Faux Pas my part and he is the creative force really created this series. Motherland Ford Salem. It's available on free form. You can also watch the entire season as I have on. Hulu so I would recommend it again. Some really good spring TV. That's going the chat rooms open so come on in chat with me. If you want you know we are live. It's a two thirty nine. Pm in the afternoon on a Friday may twenty ninth of Twenty twenty another series. And this interview is airing on Monday. The complete interview with Christopher James Baker. I like I like my Australian accent because he's Australian and he plays brainwave and star girl in here is part of our interview. So start girl. I love the retro. Feel of this show. That it's in the past of the DC universe. What was it like Kinda step into that aspect of it? Was it was really fun? I think that aspect of it which was very intentional. All the way through from the production design to I think it informed. You know the whole ton of the of the show which which is unlike anything else that I've worked on finding finding the sort of truth within these Comic Book World Characters Lee a thing that sort of production design side of things that the owners retro. But it's Maden really helped. So the set the stage of the world of it and it was it was easy to find characters living breathing in that because it was not to real world realistic or had had an aged with the was tilting towards a slightly not surreal but Definitely a heightened in in in a comic book way I mean. I don't know much about who you're playing. Can you say who you're playing can now playing brainwaves and Alter Egos is Dr Henry King? He's he's Golden Age character. It hasn't seen the light of day for very long. Time was just immense amounts of fun to do. What was a costume Lee Way? So you didn't get the episode. Not yet no costumes fantastic. It's probably the most beautiful thing I've ever put on. There were design pursuit so I had sort of the regular. He's he's in your scientists at their local hospital so very by data costumes and then the suits was was a three piece like Long Cup Deep Emerald Green Leather Leather Is just amazing of just changes the way you stand move and I enjoyed putting it on so much every single time. I got to accept to woods win. It started getting really hot in Atlanta. As leather tight suit starts to start sped down on your little bit with this question. Actually don't ask a lot of actors because I've had only a few that that do this but Quite quite a share actually. But how do you play the both identities? Obviously you have to distinguish a little bit between the two this. I mean I haven't had to do that before either. I think the way I thought about it was. It was more like allies. Rain Live and then Lily. Like superman wiping soup men and then discussing disguises Clark. Kent was to men on the eighth. That's sort of how I approach brainwave. So He's put his glasses on his normal close with with a mosque and it was just a dialed down version in in the story of I think when when he does put on his he soon again and kind of step back into to being brainwave. It's free for. I think he enjoys being a super villain because he can do freak exciting things and I think when the when the series starts laugh might be a bit quiet into came alone so think he's quite enjoying having having some good guys to to battle. There wasn't a huge man. Yeah sort of dialing something down on doyle like you go kind of creating a character that might sit number right and then just don and down to do like a number full all right and that was Christopher James Baker playing brainwave in the new. Cw series star girl another spring TV. That we're enjoying so I kind of I mean I made a Faux Pas in kind of telling you were to- go to listen to this live and participate but will you do. Is you go to spreaker dot com and at the very bottom of the page? You go by category and if you click on the live button. It shows all the podcasts center live and it shows mind and then you just click on that and that will gain you access to the chat room so for future reference. That's how you do. So that's that's cool. The Fo Pie mentioned was Christopher James. Baker interview actually went live today on Friday. The twenty nineth at midnight so he's available but one coming up is a film called proximity and that will be Monday's interview and let's listen to a little bit of that high and this edition of sci-fi Talk You look at it. Film called proximity and proximity involves a NASA JPL scientists. I met some folks from JPL cool people. He's abducted extraterrestrials. Are If you will and of course. Nobody believes story. It's almost under session to him to find out what's going on in this film is Ryan Masan who plays Isaac and also we have with us the writer and director. Eric Democracy. Welcome gentlemen to Scifi too great to have your I thank. How did this story come out? Story came about Really the the first image of it was just the idea of Somebody documenting themselves and in the background behind them. There's a meteor falling from the sky and that was kind of just that image. Was It really intriguing to me and soon as that idea came. Just all these other ideas started slowing of you know what happened when the meteor crashes and this guy goes to try to to to look at the meteor crash when you get close to it. He ended up giving a duck by extraterrestrials or has an encounter extraterrestrial and then from there. This story just evolved into what it is now because that was kind of the initial seed an idea as far as Isaac Ryan and also Eric. How did you did you both work on kind of crafting who he was and And maybe kind of plotting out his a little bit now will the arc in the story. That was fully Eric. He wrote a really interesting guy who Has this amazing experience that you know like you said he becomes obsessed about. No one believes him. But I'm art was all Eric Kinda tried to make them seem a little bit real. Yeah we were just like on the day I mean you know Ryan had all this stuff down and we would just kind of let it play out and if there was any questions we would talk about it like if there was any questions of like. What's the motivation for this? Or you know what kind of state of mind but I think From from working with Ryan e e kind of he kinda got the character once he came in with it it was like just giving the character to him and making his own and then just watching that play out we were making the movie and it was exactly what it was supposed to be. You know dishing. Was this one where one of several where Isaac is trying to prove. You know what he does this Abduction happened And it Kinda gets really intense about it and for better or worse that that I can kinda tap into pretty easily so kind of just his intensity and there's obsession that I kept trying to call back to and really really capture. Proximity is available on demand right now for rental so check it out. It sounds interesting and as far as this will be on. My regular sci-fi talk feed and also be shown on my SF or rather sci-fi talk indie fee which is about films and speaking of indie films. I spoke to Jody Barton. He is a former civil rights attorney. Who became an actor and now director of a film called four Jennifer which is actually a film. That's in a bit of a series really ambitious for an independent film. Decks interview has not aired yet or available yet. So let's listen to a part of it. Would Jody Barn back in twenty twelve? James BRISAC and Chuck Pappas made film called to Jennifer. Which was the right. I first film ever shot on an iphone. First feature film film ended up getting some Some attention and and and it did pretty well. And then Hunter Johnson came along and made a film called to Jennifer Sequel Which is kind of a mets equal Which is about a guy who basically is obsessed with the first film and then comes back and tries to kill the people in the film so and then Frank. Merle came along and made from Jennifer. Which is the third film in the series so and then for Jennifer is the film that Kinda ties. All of the All of the Times together. So the fourth film this series. Did you have pretty much autonomy in doing this film or did you have to follow any kind of Of Master Plan or anything like that Yeah no when James came to me about About doing the film You the idea was to give me an opportunity to To write and create and put it all together Myself I had the The Great Fortune of having James and hundred and frank all there to help them be a part of the process of it but the film itself was I had full autonomy with it. You mentioned hundred hundred Johnson and Frank Frank Merrill who were who are co producers along with yourself? I do like the idea of a film within a film contract situation and especially the the lines being buried up. What what led you in in that direction for this? Well when I when James came to me with the idea the first thing I did was re watch all of them of course I seen him and I and I'm obviously a big part in the first film But then also was brought on for the second film as well and I'd seen had been to the premiere of Franco. But I went back and I just kind of watched everything just to get an idea. What what the fourth film needed to be. How would tie all of it not necessarily tie the story lines at first? But just what? The common thread was that I could keep going with the fourth film. And then when I did it and I watched them all I found that kind of common thread storyline that I felt like could could work very well in fourth now. So that's kind of how that idea came about so another comments thread Is Of course? Felicia rose who is Jennifer. And she's in all the films which is kind of neat good pusa plays Jennifer Smith The audition festive tiffany. Festas Jennifer Jennifer Levi. It it gets it gets confusing. We have a number of Jennifer Z. Stephanie's and even Joey One of the things I try to do in the fourth film was kind of tie in some of the names and a bit of the mystical effective what these Jennifer movies are doing to the people that were participating so and how was Dominique Swain and ball Dominique had worked on a project with James Trying to I'm thinking blood craft and they'd recently finished and it was at the time when I just finished. We were just about to start up production on the film And we started talking to Dominique and she had seen the other Films Express. Some interest in what the project was and when we talked about it more she said you know. I'd love to be involved in my thought was why did a fan of dumping. Swain for a long time and I thought well if there's a chance for me to to bring her in and get her talents involved with the movie. I WanNa do that so so we went back and I went back into the script and I looked to see where you know where we could bring her in. And we we kind of beefed up that that part with Joey and Joey and her and him and his friends and and so we just kind of be fed up a little bit. Give her a little bit more to do in the film. That was jody Barton talking about film. Four Jennifer that he directed actually has a part in it. That interview is not available yet. But you're hearing it here for the first time on my first edition of Scifi Talk Line so the plan going forward is to have a live guest and I hope to do that by the second episode. I might invite somebody that I know who is patient with the technical glitches are good occur so that we can get through this but the plan would be to have somebody live on each particular one and of course in the chat room. You'd be able to ask them questions and and get them to respond directly to your questions so it's not just me during the interview but that is the plan going forward again. The big news is of course that we have the sci-fi Talk Network or SF t network. That'll be coming this fall. And the the fan centric podcast is going to be podcast in regards to fan and fandom and also include some of the pros at you read or hear from about doing interviews with celebrities and anyone who makes John Rao Entertainment. So that is the plan going forward. I just wanted to kind of get my feet wet once again. And do a live podcast. It's been a long time since I've done it but I'm glad that we did. This will be available on. This will be available on my podcast feed various fee. But it'll be on the main one of course for Sci fi talk and I just really want to say to to to be careful out there and please listen to the people that matter does are doctors and medical personnel in regard to this pandemic additionally I certainly express my outrage and sadness on the murder of George Floyd In Minneapolis and it's a very sad situation. Unfortunately I have seen that more than a few times in my lifetime on a much lighter note. I do before I go. I do want to say that I had a birthday recently and I turned sixty five but as far as retirement. I think that's a little further down the road not quite ready for that yet. So thank you all for listening. Hopefully some of you listened live and and if not you listen to this recording until the very next live I am working on getting somebody here with me so that you're not just hearing my lovely voice for now almost fifty five minutes all right. Take care everybody. Stay safe and stay healthy. This is Tony till auto I am. Imc Three Po Human Cyborg relations and you are listening to Sifi Talk.

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Spoiler Discussion of 'Watchmen' Episode 6, "This Extraordinary Being"

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Spoiler Discussion of 'Watchmen' Episode 6, "This Extraordinary Being"

"The welcome to slash daily for Monday November twenty fifth two thousand nineteen on. Today's episode. We're going to have a spoiler discussion about the sixth episode of. HBO's watchmen entitled. This extraordinary being. My Name is Ben Pearson on the senior writer at Slash Home Dot Com. I'm joined on today's episode by Slam. Writer Chris Evangelista. Hi Everyone Chris just you and me. Today Jacob couldn't be here with us but we're going to. We're going to dive into this episode. Actually I just remembered before we get into the meat of this conversation. You had a chance to speak with Damon Lindelof this week or last week about watchman. Won't you tell people a little bit about that. In case they didn't listen to the episode of this podcast on Friday Yes so I sent some questions over to Damon Lindelof ask. Who of course is the creator of watchmen and the executive producer? He writes almost all the episodes and he replied and they also found out that Jeff Jensen who is another writer on the show also applied applied so they put their heads together for these answers and I asked them basically to tell me all about. The Robert Redford administration because in the world of watch and Robert Redford is the president and To their credit. They took these questions which are inherently silly very serious and they gave very serious serious answers. There Humor's answers but they're played to be a serious. It's it's played schrage and I remember like like a few who at this must have been like a maybe two weeks ago or something you were just. You seemed racked by this idea of what the implications of Robert Redford's presidency means on the world world of Pop culture like does the movie sneakers exist and I feel like you spend like thirty minutes in our slack channel. Just like pulling your hair out being like wait. What does this mean like Fred for the president? Did this movie happened. Does this person's career go the same way. And so you were somehow miraculously able to pose all these questions. So the people who actually make the show and even more miraculously accurately they had answers for right and they're and these and since these come from you know the people who create the show. These are all canonical. These are all official answers. We'll link to the peace and I want to go into the too much. Because they're they're actually very detailed more detailed than I was expecting like for instance They provided a complete complete list of every Every Robert Redford movie that he made in this world. Who who took over for him in the watchman around because obviously he since he's president now he's not making movies in that world so those movies that he made in our world they still exist but they were made with different people and they sneak? Go ahead sadly sneakers does not exist. And I actually didn't think of this when I asked the question. But right you know. Sneakers is all about hacking and the Internet doesn't exist in the watching world so that's the one movie that actually doesn't exist. Yeah yeah yeah that's crazy and I think they also imply that are maybe they just outright state that Redford retained executive producer credit on these projects to so like theoretically. He's in the White House and still maybe hooked into Hollywood in some way right. Yeah it's it's really great. I'll definitely linked to that in the show. So check that if you've not ready yet it's a lot of fun all right. Let's dive into this episode spoilers and also Before we talk about what we see I thought it might be worth mentioning really quickly. That the the two plotlines that we don't see we don't see looking less The previous episode basically leaves with a cliffhanger ends with a cliffhanger and we. I don't have any idea of what happened to looking glass and then we also don't get Adrian Bite. This is the one episode I think of this entire season where he's just not going to appear here at all Chris did you miss either of those characters. This week I mean as much as I love. Tim Blake Nelson as much as I love. Whatever it is Jeremy Irons is doing on this show? I I do think this episode if it had cut away to either of them it would like I feel like maybe maybe could have cut away to looking glass because there are few shots where they cut back to the police station but if it cut to Asia and it would just take you like completely out of the the flow flow of the episode because ninety eight percent of this episode is all flashback and to suddenly stop that and go to you know whatever Adrian is doing on on the moon wherever he is. Just be. We'd just like really threw a wrench in the in the in the narrative. So as you mentioned most this episode is flashback it. It gives the definitive origin story of hooded justice. who was a character who appears in the graphic novel but his identity was never confirmed We've had a lot of speculation on our end about whether or not justice is actually will relieves and that was confirmed in this episode I don't necessarily think that's one of those questions. That's where the reveal coming episode. Six is meant to be mind-bending on its own but I do think that it's fascinating that they decided a to devote an entire episode to really laying out that characters history and showing like every single step of the process of him becoming that hero. What did you think about that reveal? It's it's a great example of how you can ret con something while still remaining true to the source material You Know I. In the watchmen. Comic Hooded Justice is the one character once superhero whose true identity was never revealed. And they're they're like theories that are mentioned in the comic but no one knows for sure and Lindelof and company they. We found this really smart way to you. Know Give us an answer and not make it seem like cheap. Not Ah you know a lot of times when we get you know. Let's prequels are involved. This you know for lack of a better term. This episode is sort of like a prequel. You often get answers to questions. You never really asking to begin with it's like I don't need to know those answers. I like to cook that patent. Oswald stand up I just I liked the things I like. I don't need an explanation. But this episode it finds a way to make a prequel story tie into this new narrative. There tallied it does it and it feels very natural. Feels very organic. And it's also a great way to tie in you know the theme of this show which is you now Racism in America and the African American experience. All this stuff. You know stuff that the comic didn't really deal with the show always is is really tuned into that and it feels very natural. It doesn't feel like you wish shoehorn. It doesn't feel like Oh we gotta find a way to tie the comic into our show. It actually makes sense in the world of the of the this of watchmen and I I love the way they sort of like thought everything Mike like. Yeah on the comic justice is that we can see are clearly that of a white man's and they they cover that year by having will reeves paint his is a Caucasian color. So I just I was really impressed with even though I feel like everyone guest this twist like way too soon soon like everyone like I was in on it because I had seen the episodes and it Kinda bummed me out that everyone figured out really quickly. I still think the way they did reveal reveal. It played out really well and really satisfying. Yeah Yeah for sure You mentioned the eye thing. I think this might be a good point too. I was speaking with channel a little a bit about this last night. The idea that that will reeves takes on the superhero mantle and that Angela. His granddaughter ends taking on a Superhero character of her own without even knowing that she's related to this guy and there being so many similarities like in their costumes even she wears. There's a hood. Just like justice has a hood and she also spray paints her eyes although she's spray painting her skin her black skin black while he spray painting his black skin. White just to sort of. I don't know drawing the the direct line between those two characters I thought this episode did a really great job of of you know. Even though most of the episode is a flashback making it relevant to the stuff that we know before and obviously Angela is experiencing all of these memories through this nostalgia pharmaceutical technology. These pills that she's taken so I just wanted to to bring that up quickly I am I really love the way that this show makes superheroes into like this whole big metaphor for like racism in general because like you know in the world watching at least the show superheroes really begin. At as a result of like it's direct result of a racist to act will read he gets lynched. But he's you know they let him down his cop friends. Let him down not friends. Just go down and you you know. He becomes a superhero after that and then it's like though the weird progression about how racism and end a white supremacists sees really corrupts and and Appropriate things for their own mean. Because you know we've gone from the very first superhero in in this world. Being a black man to the the modern equivalent is the you know there. There's the The Seventh Cavalry. And they're they're you know they've adopted. Did you know worship thing where they're wearing masks and they're like full-blown white supremacist. And it's like in the span of these decades it's been subverted and twisted we city this awful awful alternate version of what it was originally set out to be and I thought that was just like a very apt metaphor had a four for Hal. Just white supremacist. Just tries to get in there and and corrupt everything yet with like foundational sin of our country the end and as you said sort of indirectly spawned this entire Superhero Movement within this world and even like the captain metropolis the character that we meet in this episode even the the sort of not subtle but I guess lower key racism than some of the more overt acts we in this episode that that capital metropolis who is also one of these costumed. Heroes embodies basically. He's pointing out like even the minute men this group of Superhero Zero Characters. Who are supposed to be wills brothers and all our brothers and sisters in arms and this this ongoing mission you know? Even they won't accept him for who he really is. Metropolis says you have to stay in your costume. The whole time basically. Because we don't really I don't I don't have faith in and in my fellow heroes that they're going to be able to accept you for who you are so yeah I mean th th that's what is so great about the show you don't really see mainstream television tackling huge ideas like this and doing it in ways that are I mean again like really overt like they are in this episode but also the subtleties to it too. It's like putting a piece of string through the eye of A. What is that called Doc? One of those little fish shook needle. Yeah I have a needle. Yeah exactly so it's A. They have a very very small margin of error and I feel like the show is walking that tightrope perfectly but so we talked a little bit about hooded justices origin story. We see that that plays out very very differently in American in hero. Story the show within the show I dave mentioned on our in our discussion last night that the grocery store set looks very very similar to what we saw in. I think it was episode. Two of this show the American hero story episode in there where justice goes jumping in through the Through the front glass window and starts taking out all of these bad guys within the grocery store and we see that same sort of set in in this episode but it's inverted right like he jumps out of the window to escape in it. I think it it speaks to what you're talking about. Just a second ago like the idea of of History being written by the winners and and sort of being distorted over time and people of color being either erased altogether together from it or their contributions being either twisted or you know a downplayed significantly so I think that's some of that subtlety. I'm talking about where it's just like the show. It's so good Chris so I was very good so June. We see this character June soon. Who is his reporter girlfriend who I guess? That's another way that the show just sort of draws the connection due to the Superman story it makes that very overt in this episode right Superman. There's also a little Batman too. Because he he did justice. Breaks up a big mugging an an alley. which is of course how Batman parents were killed? So yeah I like I like those two very overt. I felt like a lot of people are saying. This is the best episode and I kind of think last episode last week's was better just because I think as good as this episode of this episode is Great. I love the direction I love. The style. I think it's a little too on the nose with a like. Some of the dialogue is really Hammy like that June character is like the only way you're going to get the justice will raise if you wear a hood it's like all right that's that for that's a little too unsubtle for me. Let some of that Prequel itis thing you're talking. And they even have like will reads reads the Superman origin comic and they have like they show a quick flashback to the Tulsa is a thing which is you know his his origin story. It's like all right. We get it you don't have to underline it that much and I like those two d like those little details are the only things it kept me from thinking. This was the best episode even though I do think this is like a groundbreaking episode of television. I think it says a lot about how good this show show. Is that something that this groundbreaking isn't quite the best episode. That's a good point so we find out that June who's really serves serves as sort of a hooded justice. Alfred in this episode. You're talking about the Batman connection to I thought it was pretty clear that she was meant to be sort of the Alfred figure. You're in his life like encouraging him and and sort of being there for him in his home environment. We find out that she is the little girl. That's very very young. Will picked up in that field outside of Tulsa was I the only one who was a little creeped out by the fact that they're romantically lengthen and she reveals that she's pregnant like this. I don't know what did you make of that. Reveal growth. I don't how I feel about that for one thing. It's tossed off really like it's almost like after the fact it's like oh by the way you that baby in that field and then for them to be in a relationship is is. It's very weird because I'm guessing daily grew up together and that's kind of what I was thinking. I'm assuming we're going to learn a little bit more about that because even though this this episode gives us a ton of background on will there's still a lot of stuff we don't know for one reason we don't really know why he suddenly like targeting people Intel like why he was targeting judge Adam like all of a sudden after all these years so there is there are still questions that have to be answered and I am wondering if we're going to learn more about that character just and at the same time it's clear that that will ah all right so we'll sexuality because I don't know how like hell should address like so. It's you know. Obviously I don't know we're meant to imply what the relationship is between him and if he's just supposed to be bisexual if he is sort of like doesn't actually even know what he is because he ends up having. I want to call it a romance because it's really not romantic but having a sexual relationship with captain metropolis so a. Ah The show does this. I appreciated that. That doesn't like label. It doesn't like hammered home. What will sexuality is but at the same time it also is very gray? It's not like defined fully. I think yeah I sort of took it as he's living. This double will almost triple life in a time period where he's clearly not accepted as I mentioned before even by the hero compatriots were supposed to be standing by his aside like the idea that that he could explore his sexuality in an open way in nineteen thirties. New York just seemed two two out of reach. I think for that character at that time so I'm glad they didn't really go into that anymore because it really you sort of get all you need to know from it. I think in in terms of like I don't personally need to know you know how many other relationships he had with other people or any even any more about his relationship with Catherine metropolis. I sort of like understood what the the broad brush strokes that they were trying to make their but yeah it is interesting like it's such uh I think it's all about the time period right like he couldn't he just I duNNo. It's a complicated thing to talk about. But I think yeah I think that's. That's probably where they landed was just like this idea that That he's wearing masks mask. Unmasks on masks in this case but yeah so let's talk about the the plan that he uncovers so this this whole thing about beware the cyclops This is the other thing I have a little over. Okay so yeah yeah. Hit Me with that. What he got so I know it sounds silly to say show you know that's about superheroes is getting a little too unbelievable but throwing in like a subplot about like the Klan is hypnotized? People is. It's almost too science fiction. I am I am. I like wrong did you. You buy that fully or I don't know I have to say. I thought that this was perfectly watch. Many like you know the idea of like this being a show where a giant squid is telepathically transported into or psychically psychic damage power. Basically it's teleported into New York or I thought it was kind of on that same level. I guess I could see the case. Where like you already have that? So this plan separately is is maybe taking it a step to far but because of the way the show has portrayed especially the topic of race already. I have to admit that there's a part of me that wondered if this was actually a real thing that the clan tried to do and maybe didn't succeed in doing but because like it it opens with the Tulsa massacre of nineteen twenty one which I'd never heard of before this show and In this very episodes newspaper clippings that talks about how I think. It's something like twenty thousand people like Nazis have a rally at Madison Square Garden. Or something like that is actually a real thing that happened so the show does is really good. Job of like weaving real world events even with Bass Reeves like the the Movie Star Hero character that inspires will he was like a real guy and I never heard of him too. So there's part of me wonders like is this a real. You know clan plot that they actually tried and I just never heard of it before because his history is is often. You know like we said sort of Written by people who may not want this kind of information to be publicized. I don't know what what did you think about that. You're on the on the side. I actually had the same thought although at the same time it's like it's so far out that I can't be based on something like one hundred percent real. I'm sure they're drawing on. I mean like covert. Racism is like a real thing where it's you know. Racism that's like concealed in society eighty and it's often concealed that the way that it's almost subliminal so it could be like a very literal way of interpreting that may be but I'm not saying it it didn't work I just felt like it was so everything is episode felt really grounded and then at a nowhere. It's like by the way the clan have in a book about hypnotism and they're using it to hypnotize people and it just it. I don't think fit entirely with the rest of the episode. I guess that's that's what I'm saying. Yeah I gotta I gotTa think that like this has to tie directly into whatever it is that lady true you and will are up to like the millennial clock thing has to have some sort of hypnotism involved with it. Now that we know that we'll has a super hypnotizing flashlight that he just carries carries around. Yeah absolutely I was thinking that too. And that's another way. I think that the the episode sort of links these two time periods together and I also like the whole subliminal thing any of you know this voice telling theater audiences you know like black people have to commit violence against each other and all of that. I thought that was sort of a precursor to the psychic trauma. Rama that the the giant squid represents later on in the show too so even if that is never touched upon again which I like you. I believe that there's there's gotta be some sort of mentioned with that with me clock but I thought it was a good way to sort of draw that line between the two in the cyclops. You know this this I guess it's like a subgroup of the KKK This Greek Mythological figure with one eye and also the giant squid itself. It only had one eye to. So there's that I couldn't figure out like if the cyclops is the name of the group or if there's like an actual person I couldn't like I felt like that maybe I missed sitters on I it. It sounds like there was actually a person they're referring to as cyclops but I don't know I think it's a group because you see that symbol that that like one is symbol. That almost looks like a like A. What do you call that? Like a key or like a legend on a map right with the north South East and west symbol was used in. I didn't recognize it because I'd never seen it before. But you see it very clearly in this episode and then in some of the PD material. Earlier I was talking on. I think last week's episode about a reader semi tweet saying like one of the letters that I think it was judd. Crawford's I'm sorry Senator Qian's ancestor had sent to judd. Crawford's ancestor signed with this. Yes land thing like You know a clansman ends Miami or whatever the the Aka I think was the initials that they used and that cyclops symbol was used as like a a stamp camp right next to the signature on that. And it didn't mean anything to me when I read it because I hadn't seen this episode yet but That strikes me as all falling into line to represent that that it's more of a group than a single person but the the only thing that makes me think it's a person's because like in the the actual KKK like the leader is like the grand. cyclops I was drawing. Oh is that. Is that what they actually calm. Grand Wizard but there's like wizard. There's I don't know I have have to brush up on my KKK. But I know there is. There is a grand cyclops. Cake interesting. Okay so that's even that is sort of a a building on and and sort of weaving real world material in with this sort of almost quasi supernatural side kind of stuff too so so you know. We talked a lot about on last week's episode especially about how the show is about passing down trauma to the next generation. We see the scene. Where will sun dresses up like hooded justice and will like freaks out about it? What did you think about that? Like the seeing wills homelife and sort of the deterioration as he goes deeper and deeper into this hooded justice persona persona the episode goes on. Yeah I do love how. This character is portrayed in his progression because they even say early on like like a June says early on and he's like an angry guy and it's like yes he does. He is served seeking justice in a way against racial injustice. And just just in general but he's also got issues and I really love that show continues with that gray area thing where there are no real like clear heroes heroes or villains and even though I think you know all the wheels actions in this episode are justified to an extent he still is going down on this path where he goes from you know crimefighter till like full blown murderer and I'm not saying you know. Oh those poor clansman go ahead we'll we'll reuse by all means. Kill all the clansman and watchmen. But it is the show does portray away where he served like losing his soul in a process where he he you know he starts off in this this righteous guy and he you know he joins the police force out of the sort of misplaced idea that he's going to do some good and it just you know they're you know the system itself like beats him down he realizes there is really no way to. There's no way to be that at that Bass reeves character like that character. June points out like that movie is totally sugarcoated and so such bullshit like there is really no way to be that noble hero that everyone loves in in the the quote unquote real world and I think it dawns on him him in that moment where he sees his son dressing up in costume and it leased this whole blow out the thing where his wife leaves him it goes back to Tulsa and all that. Yeah and there's this this great shot to where he's standing in front of the warehouse as you know he's just murdered all these guys and he's burnt down the warehouse and it shows us. Quick flashback moment went to outside of Tulsa when he was a little kid and seeing the flames licking the city in and the smoke rising from that too. And it's just. It's really really fast moment. But I think think that's you know the show trying to say okay. This this guy you know he. He may be like On a sort of morally righteous path here but he he also is is sort of losing himself as you mentioned. He's sort of like going a little too far here so I think it's just that complexity that the show really loves to to use in every situation not just with its villains like Adrian Vitamin his motivations for sending that squid in but also in the with the heroes. So it's really great stuff so it's a good show that's what we're getting at it is And and you know. We talked about generational trauma one of the other. Big ideas that this showcase returning to is this idea of legacy and in this episode we learn about will reasons like his origin story. But we also get a glimpse into the legacy of the Crawford. Family when Judd God is confronted about the KKK rope in his closet. So do you think that. That scene establishes that Judd was essentially a good guy with like a tarnished family history. Or do you think we still have more to learn about Judd's potential involvement with the clan in future episodes. I really think it's just more of that gray area thing I love the I don't have the exact quote. I love the the the line exchange between those two characters. Because you know will is like you have a clan Klan robe hidden in your closet and Judd is like oh well I have a right to keep it's part of my legacy and will says like well if you're proud of your legacy. How can you hide it away? And and I think that's just a great way of establishing the way that people people who are racist and don't actually realize they're racist like people who have like it's it's not going to say it's not their fault but it's like if you grow up in a certain background like a previous episode Angela. s looking glass. Like how did you know Crawford was a racist and he says well. He's a white man from Oklahoma. And it's like that's not excusing his racism. But it's a way of saying like that's the world he comes from. Yeah like I think. That's you know I don't know what Judd's ultimate embalm it was. I mean he clearly has some association with the Seven Cavalry. Because is that you know keen sense. Oh last week. So he's not a good guy if he's lining up with them white supremacist. But I think it's just more of that complicated thing I just. I'd love that. This show does not paint things in broad strokes it really once you stop and consider these characters. I can't think of another show dealing with this subject matter like superhero material even like I can't think of a movie like that. Tries this hard to make you. You consider multiple sort of angles from everyone's perspective. We've just keep joking and saying like this show is good. But it's it's such Gotcha good show and I can't get over how well done it is The only other question. I think I had was at the very end of the episode when Angela's is sort of coming out of her trance a little bit. was that an older version of June at the end. I think it's meant to be like you know we see as Angeles memories reason and Wills Memories are sort of converging on that spot at Judd's hanging spot basically You know you start to see like drummers in the background you start to see Eh. Will's mother playing the piano. WHO's she's been sort of a constant presence throughout the this episode and I think you see June's essentially like Materialize out of thin air and speak to Angela. As if she's speaking to will and saying you know all right. This is it like I'm taking the and and going back back to Tulsa for all intents and purposes we don't exist to you anymore and then we see this older woman who basically leans in and she says she does look like you. I'm GonNa take you home now. Honey and that's when angel is sort of jerked back into the present. I guess the idea of her saying she she does look like you like if this is June which I think we're meant to believe it is. Yeah I'm pretty sure return. Do you think she's talking to will like she's she's may be standing standing next to will in like the in the present time and saying you know she does look like as if they've been speaking about Angela and then I don't think it's a present time but I definitely think it implies that at some point will tracked her down in track June down in Tulsa and they are probably talking about angel when she was like a baby. I guess but I I don't the because it's just the way they're talking. It sounds like they're talking about a baby. I didn't think about that. She says I'm GonNa take you home now honey so that that could very well be like from the hospital or something so I did not Do not consider that and I was just wondering if you thought that June maybe like older version of June might also still be around and potentially involved in whatever will is getting himself into or do you think that was like a like amid flashback. where she she's no longer in the picture? Yeah I think I think that was a mid flashback but I could actually just got the next two episode. I said excited I only had stirred. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa Watch at least the next one probably tonight or tomorrow because I want to get my reviewing before Thanksgiving thanksgiving during Thanksgiving so I hope I find out more awesome. So let's talk a little bit about the episode's aesthetic choices You mentioned I think in the very beginning how you loved the look of it. You know you've got most of this. Flashback taking place in black and white. You've got a lot of specs of color mixed in there as well. All somebody tweeted to us. Basically saying that it might be a reference to Spielberg's Pale horse like the the Schindler's List version of the movie that he made in this universe universe. I think it's just a way to sort of visualize the different time periods and stuff like you see that really great shot that that sort of took my breath away was when we'll reeves as is walking his beat and the COP car pulls up next to him in the guys basically say hey you know come out for drank. They're sort of like bullying him into coming out with them and then he says No. Thanks you know maybe another time and they drive away and you see the the bodies being dragged in color behind this black and white vehicle and it's just. I thought the episode did such a great job of of really establishing the idea visually that this pain this trauma that people live with. You've never actually leaves them. Even the the ones that they didn't experience themselves in young young will did experience that himself but for Angela as the Experience or of of this nostalgia to get that glimpse of like this nineteen thirty eight New York City but she's seeing images from nineteen twenty one tulsa blending together. What did you think about the the episodes use of like you black and white photography and and the steady cam or so much of it is supposed to be one? Continuous shot all that stuff. Oh it's so. Good the the look of this episode is is phenomenal. The way that there's always these like wills like mothers all almost always in the background like playing the piano which which I thought was such a cool like disturbing we'll touch and like you said the way that they not the whole episode but a lot of it is made to look like this certain one. Continuous flowing shot. Where the camera like the way you move to accede is the camera just gets up and moves you there like the scene doesn't cut and and I thought that was just really well done? I also love the way that they kept swapping Regina King in for I forget. The actor's name who plays the young will the Giovane Adecco. Yes they just keep cutting back and forth and I was reading a little bit about this and I. It was shot. They did it almost like a live where they would like the mid the cameras cut away like Regina Kimbell rush into the shot and vice versa and they had to like practice that and get it down and It looks like seamlessly it never looks. You're never like I spot the trick. It just looks like it's all very natural and it's a it's a great way of highlighting that you know. This episode is a flashback. It is sort of like a dream too because she's hallucinating. All of this and it's really dreamlike quality. auty where everything doesn't everything seems like not quite real even though it is I just love the the the the aesthetic of that. Yeah there's one thing thing that and I'm sorry to keep referencing this conversation. I had with David Chen last night. But I'll I'll link to that in the show that people are interested in watching it but one thing that he pointed out that didn't really think about is the the idea of the slow so we see like American Harris American hero story within the confines of the show. We've talked about how you know. It might be Lindelof in in his crew either Paying homage to or making fun of Zack. Snyder's take on watchman. You know you have very like speed ramping. And all of the sort of Snyder esque visual hallmarks in the way that that show within the show is depicted but this episode That moment I mentioned before where her hooded justice jumps out of the window to escape the whole thing freezes and the camera moves around like a Matrix Style and I was just wondering if you thought that by the real show taking that same visual aesthetic from from American hero story if that was in some way Lindelof and his team maybe Trying to soften the blow a little bit on people who were not that they're reacting in real time to what people are saying but to soften the perception that maybe they were just mercilessly dunking snack. Cider what did you think about that. Yeah I mean that shot in particular is almost identical to the the watchman movie opening credits where there's like that everything. Everything like freezes and the camera moves around and so I feel like it it it has to be some sort of reference that whether or not it's dunking or not. I don't know because I think think lindelof gets along with Zek CIDER. I don't I don't know what their relationship is. I mean I know he tweet. He was one of the people tweeting about the Snyder cut. So he clearly early has some sort of relationship was ex-ira but whether it's dunking or not I I don't know I do think it's impossible to like divorce. I GNAT style from Zack Snyder. Because that's just what his style is. Especially within. The world of watchmen like he's the other person who's directed a live. Action Watchmen property. So it's it's sort of impossible to ignore. Maybe they're gonNA do like some really Super Meta thing in the last episode where they reveal. The watchman movie exists in this world and it was directed by Zack Snyder. Incredible okay so let's get to theory corner corner before we wrap up. This is just part of the show where we talk about either random theories that we've had or in this case one that I wanted to read from an email somebody the Dave from Woodstock Connecticut sent us an email and said hey guys I just finished the most recent slash on daily episode about watchmen. It was discussed. How Adrian vite finally escaped escaped his Jovian prison? On one of the moons of Jupiter Europa. He says question mark a side Bar. I think I listened to an episode with or a podcast cast with Damon Lindelof and he confirmed that it was Europa where Adrian was imprisoned. So back to Dave's email he said it made me think it takes twelve earth years for Jupiter to orbit the Sun. Son Does that mean. By last can't account vite has been up there for at least thirty six years or does time measured differently inside fights prison bubble if so does this provide a clue to the manipulation of time by the future Millennium Clock. Thanks Dave so what do you make of that Chris. Do you think that the fact the fact that Jupiter's moon takes longer to orbit. The Sun has anything to do with the way that time has been playing out in Adrian Bites storyline. I mean I hadn't even thought thought of that. I mean it could be but I don't I don't know yeah sorry that we don't have a more a better answer for you date but that is is a fascinating thing and I guess there's no way to really know until we see more of the show but let's see what else okay so. We talked a little bit about the Millennium Clock. So with the the reveal at the end of this episode that Old will still has has been able to sort of I guess. I don't know if the implication is that he's the one who has has been a perfecting this mesmerizing technology. where he is he was able to convince judd to hang himself or if he just? I don't know if the Seventh Cavalry has that technology or what but what do you think that might play into. Lady trues planned with the warning clock. Do you have any theories on that Chris. I I don't know how it's a play. I do think whatever that hypnotism thing is is going to tie directly into the clock and I do think think it's something about like waking people up to the truth about you know the squid attack and I don't know why lady true would be interested. I in that so I can't really figure out how that ties into and I can't figure out how it ties into Senator Qian's thing either. I guess we need to know if senator keen and the cowdery is working with true but I feel like that can't be because she's also working with will unless she's working with both of them playing against each other. I don't know oh where that connection is but yeah yeah I was wondering if she might use that same technology to try to broadcast something to the entire world world. Because I think you know one of the things that that the Beware the CYCLOPS. PLOT GETS AT. Is this idea that like media media is used to. I don't know like almost like and to simplify it. Incredibly to sort of keep heap black people down. You know like the idea that that they are putting information out there subliminally in this case. But I think the case could be made that this is a commentary on the larger state of you know me as a whole is is releasing imagery out there for the world to consume where that it just a perpetuates actuate stereotypes or you know insert any number of things there to To sort of keep things operating at a status quo and I wonder if that is is a hint of something to come with Liam clock and how that technology that sort of mesmerizing technology may be used and the idea of like broadcasting tip a world Maybe to flip that idea at Ted. Maybe like you're saying to to sort of spread the truth to everybody. I wonder if the Millennium Clock itself if that if that location of where exactly that was built is like a strategic location where she might be able to use a bigger version of that technology to. I don't know like cloak the entire planet in some sort of broadcast or something. I was reading the the PD pedia entry this morning and there's a Tulsa newspaper article that says that lady trew sent newly legalized. HDTV's to every residents in the Tri County area as an apology for for any inconvenience. Our construction efforts may cause as well as the occasional atmospheric disruption. That was right around the time that I think the the article was this dated twenty eighteen. And we're in like twenty nineteen now but the idea of atmospheric disruptions stood out to me is like could that be the height of the money clock you know maybe that has something to do with broadcasting into the atmosphere and being able to draw people's attention skyward. I Dunno it also says that Beyond and who I think we we know is lady trues daughter. It says that lady trues mother is also named beyond so. I don't know if that means that. This is literally the same person I think there was some speculation about that online. Like maybe this. This girl that we think is the daughter is actually either a clone of her mother or an an age reversed version of her actual mother or something like that It also references the theory that the clock is a time machine which we've talked about before when the reporter for that in world. Newspaper posed that question to a true industry spokeswoman responded you have an incredible imagination your theories most entertaining but I hope you won't be disappointed when it doesn't come true. Sometimes o'clock is just a clock you know so I definitely think it's more than just a clock but I wonder if the the idea of you know this there won't be disappointed when it doesn't come. True is a way of for Lindelof his people to be like gently letting us down. Because I think that's that's that's a big thing with like fan culture right is like when people latch onto theories and they ended up. Not being true. I think that's where a lot of the discontent comes. His with with people reacting to major blockbusters and stuff they've been scouring reddit threads for so long that they've just been hooked into these ideas that they found early and then when the movie actually is trying to tell its own story. People get really mad about that so I wonder if this is Lindelof in his people sort of yeah just trying to let people down gently in advanced when their disappointment manifest. When it's not actually a time machine but what do you make Chris? I think that is is spot on on myself at your is maybe their side travel involved. I would not be surprised if that's DEM literally winking at US and saying it's not that I don't know what do you think about the atmospheric disruption and the the idea of broadcasting something to the world from the Millennium Tower like the hub of that broadcast. I do think that sounds about right. All of that is also. The plot of Batman returns with the ridler Batman forever. Sorry Ridler deliberately Ripping Ping off Batman forever or what but oh man. That's great. I can't think of a better place to end this episode with Batman Forever Reference. So it maybe we'll let seals kissed by arose. Play us out on today's episode but mm-hmm okay before we go let's tell people where they can find more of our work online Chris. Where can people find your stuff slash film Dot Com and on twitter at sea evangelist of four thirteen? You can find me ready dot com as well. He can find me on twitter and Instagram at Ben Pairs and you can find. More about watchmen watchmen at slash film Dot Com. 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"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production now available on spotify apple podcasts. Podcast one dot com in anywhere else. You get your podcasts today. On the Charlie Kirk show. We have an exclusive interview with Congressman Jim Jordan. And we also ask a couple of questions. Did you know there was a flu? Pandemic in Nineteen Sixty Eight. We dive into that and so much more before we get started. Please email us freedom at Charlie Kirk Dot com freedom at Charlie Kirk Dot. Com comes straight to me and then to our team and do me a favor. Take out that phone type and Charlie Kirk show to your podcast provider. Make sure that subscribe. Button is hit and give five star reviews and leave us. A review helps US tremendously to be Joe Biden and the podcast charts buckle up. You'RE GONNA love this episode. Everybody here we go Charlie. What you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. Won't you know we are lucky to have Charlie Charlie kirks running the White House? I want to thank Charlie. He's incredible guy his spirit his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building. One of the most powerful youth organisations ever created turning point. Usa He will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries destroyed lives and we are going to fight for freedom campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Welcome to this upset. Everybody did you guys know that there was another flu pandemic night sixty eight is someone sent me this link. Yesterday I couldn't believe it. I always like to look at context. I love history. I'm a student of history. I studied the great civilizations. The Greeks the Romans the Chinese the Babylonians the aspects inkens. I think that there's some commonality to how government was formed and human nature and the pursuit of liberty the formation of America. So I think that the more we understand history the more we can understand the future to know the road ahead. Ask those coming back. History could be a huge guy that could be a compass road map for how we WANNA make future decision so someone sent me this link. I looked into it independently in our team at the Charlie show did. Did you know that there was a huge pandemic? A killer virus and nineteen sixty eight. This virus showed up from Hong Kong in December of nineteen sixty eight. It was actually h three and two h one and one eight three and two and peaked your later it ultimately killed a hundred thousand people and the United States mostly over the age of sixty five and over one million people worldwide. Now Mind you lifespan. United States back in nineteen sixty eight in those days was about seventy whereas it's about seventy eight today. Population was two hundred million as compared to about three hundred. Twenty eight million today if it would be possible to extrapolate the death. Data based on population may not be looking at a quarter million today from this virus own terms illegality it was actually as deadly if not more deadly more scary than Cova. Nineteen China virus. We didn't close schools. We didn't close restaurants and we didn't close non essential businesses know the concept of non essential businesses would be laughed at that time. We didn't even act social distancing by the way and I'm not saying all this stuff was wise but it's what we did and the country did not suffer economically we did not have social isolation and we even had woodstock which occurred in August nineteen sixty nine and this will happen under President Nixon who was vilified by the media and yet no one in the media told him to shut down the entire country in look. This was planned in January. During the most the worst period death woodstock was planned in January during the worst period of death and it was executed months later about a year and a half after the global peak. Look why am I talking about this? First of all woodstock was a crucial turning point a cultural turning point in American history. It makes you wonder what cultural touch points. Are We missing right now? Here's the big difference. Here's why mentioning is that. We've had pandemics before people say well. This is the first killer band we had no. This is the first time that we've quarantined the healthy this the first time we've shut down the entire American economy and the contrast between the reaction nineteen sixty eight. Two Thousand Twenty. Couldn't be more striking. They were smart. They knew the viruses. There's certain people quarantine themselves. They were mature. They handled it correctly. This was the post World War Two generation. That had the wherewithal and the worldliness assay. Okay fine if we want. If we don't want to get sick we're GONNA stop going to public events and we're going to quarantine ourselves but they didn't let it master them. They didn't let a road. Freedom and liberty is natural upon their creation. Give my God instead in what we have. Today's we've allowed the state have way too much control. Put people that run. Beauty salons like in the state of Texas in jail not allow Christians go to Easter Guess. What despite this Keller Pandemic Christians were allowed to go to church in nineteen sixty eight and nine hundred sixty nine on Easter Sunday and we were robbed of that because of the status Marxist collectivist control run by Democrats in these states. That did not allow us to go there. I encourage you to look into the virus of nineteen sixty eight nine thousand. Six nine can be very informative and very instructive. I also WanNa talk to you about how we get the whole power of quarantine. How is it that the government is able to tell us to quarantine? Well it was a law passed by Franklin Delano Roosevelt one of the greatest power grabbing presidents in American history. Who's unbelievably overrated? He was right about a couple of things. He was right about the danger of public sector unions and use right about the threat of Nazism and Communism was terribly wrong. His domestic programs the Public Health Service Act of nineteen forty four. Establish our government's quarantine authority for the first time and guess that Federal Government Authority was not used in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight nine hundred sixty nine despite a one hundred thousand people dying when our population was only two hundred million words over three hundred and forty million today. This is the first time in human history that we've quarantined healthy people and let it be the last time we ever do this. Because your freedom your liberties natural upon your creation. What we're seeing right now is one of the greatest collision courses and I talk about this with Congressman Jim Jordan. Which you're going to hear in just one second. It's one of the greatest collision courses philosophically in American history. Where you have people on the left and Democrats. I think your your rights are not natural. Chretien we give those rights. We administer them to you so for contract theory. Were those of us that believe in first principles that believe John? Locke that believe in the Enlightenment. I believe in cartons. Cicero and Marcus are released. Cinemanow these rights are natural upon our creation and more importantly we get these from the Bible you believe in natural rights given by God you have to believe in a natural rights giver. The left does not believe in that Jay. Pritzker and Gavin newsom. They think they're the ones that give you the rights. They're the ones that will tell you to. It's okay to leave the house because we are actually in control of you know we are in control of you. We created the government. We created your own existence. We are the sovereign not you the nineteen forty four Public Health Service Act It a lot of the following it prevents the entry of communicable disease in the United States by quarantine isolation measures which we're seeing now allows you to take measures to prevent the spread of communicable diseases between states and it may accept state local assistance in enforcing federal quarantines and may assist and local authorities and preventing the spread of communicable diseases. It's important to the context of how all these bills and laws were passed in greater theory. Now if they would try to national quarantine in nineteen sixty eight when they had the woodstock generation and people were so rebellious. Wouldn't have happened. The people would not have allowed it. They would have protest in the streets. This post Vietnam War protests right during the height of the Vietnam War by the way I should say when some of the greatest actual musical pictures in American history. And kind of fight the man. You're not gonNA tell us what to do. We love our freedom. We love our liberty. Some of it was rooted in truth. What was re routed? I think misguided rebellion. But it did eventually have this underlying pretext of. You're not going to be able to tell me how to live my life. Imagine if the government would have told all of those protests to stay at home. Good luck because of the quarantine. They wouldn't have allowed that to happen. Rona by the way. I'm not a huge support of the burning draft cards of the burning the American flag up. Of course I'm not a supporter. Bill Ayers bombing the statues but I love people exercise their first amendment. I think the Vietnam War was an unjust and immoral war. I actually I'm not. I'm not in support of the Vietnam War of our aggressive neoconservative military action in Southeast Asia. But what changes nineteen sixty eight the leftist trying to turn America into one big college campus on college campuses across the country. They have biased. Instant report teams where they pay students such as the University of Arizona. They did this. Pay Students to go snitch on conservatives. This is a real thing that we deal with a turning point. Usa or college campuses have students that are on their payroll to report and pay when they say that students are acting in a conservative fashion house. That's no different than Eric. Garcetti you said stitches will get rewards. I'm going to pay you to go report on your neighbor if they dare break quarantine or they dare break the status quo of the corona virus and college campuses. Their whole goal is trying to make people feel safe. Watch you know when the campus is safe from other ideas? They have conditioned people to stay at home prioritize safety over liberty and freedom. Whatever happens on college campuses will soon happen in the American culture and sue happened in the halls of Congress and soon happening the governor's mansions across the country and soon happen in corporate boardrooms. They're now trying to turn America into one big college campus. Were they snitch? On your neighbor were you do not value freedom and liberty. We do not hear other ideas that you dare go. Protest against the status quo where you dare say something against the Democrat Orthodoxy. You'll get put in prison. You'll get castigated you'll get arrested. You get cited and you'll get demonized. I was watching some of these protests in Sacramento capital of California and they brought out the Praetorian Guard. Full riot gear weapons cops on horses. I said boy. I wish you had that kind of force on the southern border to prevent child sex trafficking as you do to try to prevent lawful abiding citizens extras their first amendment. Who want their freedom and Liberty Back? We have exercise more militaristic government force against individuals. That just want to be able to live their life then against the sinner cartel that are bringing drugs. Heroin and children illegally into our country. The left is using this as one of the greatest power grabs in American history. This is an erosion of a religious liberty. First Principles the likes of which we've never seen before this would not have happened in nineteen sixty eight and wouldn't have despite there being a killer virus despite there being a pandemic do you know why because the people prioritize liberty and they prioritized self responsibility and individual initiative. There only able to lock you up because the American people have allowed that to happen they would never have tolerated this in nineteen sixty eight. We were a country post World War. Two that valley the family value the community. Value The church and you had the rebels of it that valued absolute limitless individual freedom and none of that was valuing the state to be the final and total arbiter over human safety and health despite one hundred thousand people dying and I'm not minimizing that at all the government didn't Corentin the healthy the government even didn't even back the Public Health Service Act of nineteen forty four. It was actually the left. Believe it or not nineteen sixty eight that was prioritizing the right to assemble which. I was find funny. Because the left loves protests as long as it confirms their own worldview they loved the march for your lives protests against guns. They loved me to protest. I love the black lives. Matter protests but as soon as you have protests that go they want their freedom and liberty against Democrat governor. All of a sudden they call them confederates. They call them the worst things you could possibly imagine. The left will use slander and attacks of character character. Assassination against people. They disagree with. If you dare step out of line. We have to fight for our freedom and liberty and we have the highlight those champions of freedom that actually stand on principle and stand for the future of America were honored to have one of those people here right here on the Charlie Kirk Congressman. Jim Jordan. Let's get into that conversation with Congressman Jim Jordan. Before we do that. It's not safe out there right now. There's a lot of uncertainty and they are criminals being released from prison in Ventura County California. There are criminals on the loose. You need to feel safe at home. It's never been more important. 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Nancy Pelosi and incentives back. And we're not so but thanks for all you're doing you're making a huge difference for the country and we appreciate you and turn point and everything you're You're doing to help help the conservative cause and help our great country. Well thank you for those kind words and likewise to you. You're one of the few people in the house. Representatives that actually went to DC to do what he said he was going to do. There's so much discuss. I want to start with a piece of legislation. That you're cosponsoring with Senator Josh. Holly who I have a great deal of respect for about the aid to universities the legislation would restrict universities endowments larger than ten billion dollars from Corona virus aid. I read earlier today and I just couldn't believe it. I I had to double check. And it checks out that twenty five universities with the largest endowments were allocated eight hundred and three million dollars in corona virus relief funding. They have a collective endowment of three hundred fifty billion dollars. So can you tell us about this piece of legislation? It's outrageous at these universities. Just seem that. They continually to grow their assets with taxpayer dollars. Now it's real simple. You got forty one billion dollar endowment like Harvard does you shouldn't be taking money from the PCP program or just the overall coronavirus relief package. You shouldn't be taken that that those those dollars at after all that money was intended for small business owners and families who are really hurting because of this virus in this this crisis that we're in it's really that basic you have some of these institutions who frankly You think about what goes on on some of these college campuses. And you've been the leader in this space is the free speech zones in the bias response teams and everything else and now they're taking money. That was the purpose of the money. The intent of the money was to help small business owners and families who were in real tough times right now because of this this virus and the orders that have been given by governors around the country. So it's that basic and I'll tell you what the president the president turned this around twenty four hours when the president heard about this what what happened. He did a tweet. He said something. The press conference singled out Harvard and within twenty four hours. Harvard says we've now found Jesus so to speak. We've seen the light. We're going to give back. Give back the money back. They've done forty billion dollar endowment and they're still applying for federally. They did return the money. But I would go a step further that some of these universities haven't even refunded the fees that they took from students from this semester so to put it so clearly they said students. You can't come back to school because the government orders and the students made full deposits for room and board and they never used the room and board for most of the semester and they haven't refunded those student fees back to the students and so. I've been telling the president like hey demand they return this money. This could be a refund back to middle class families and opinion that some of these universities said well. We're going to go broken bankrupt and I say that that's not our problem. You guys have been hiring way too. Many diversity officers administrators paying these ridiculous lavish six figure salaries and you continue to raise tuition on the backs. Us Tax Payer and future generations. And now you're worried that all of a sudden we're getting broke not dimensioned. They're teaching our kids nonsense about the president the US Constitution of Western civilization. Do you think this bill is going to have any passing? Sometimes there's these bills that sound so great in the Nancy. Pelosi find some reason and not even considering it'd be in the house you're you're right about that but we've got a chance in the Senate because obviously we we can. Republicans can control the Senate and Senator Holly. He's been great. He's been on this in in a host of issues but yeah the things that go on these of our tax dollars finances institutions. They insult our values. They put in place as we said before these Bias response teams which go out and say you say something politically incorrect you can be. You can have something put on your official record. If you're a student there you can be you can have to do sensitivity training all those things. We did a number of hearings on this a couple of years ago when we were in control of the House and I thought it was real interesting because asked this one professor at a hearing. I said professor on a college campus in a safe space. Could I say this sentence? Donald trump is president. And he pause. You can watch the tape. He pause and then he says well. Congressman. It depends and I'm like I interrupted my said. There's no independence about it. He's the president of the United States. He was elected on November. Eight twenty. Sixteen he won the Super Bowl a majority electoral college of Big Majority Electro College. He got sixty three Americans. Vote for him. So this is the kind of mindset we have on these campuses and then for them to take money that was designed to help small business owners and families And then not to help it. Not Take that money to help the students and maybe return the fees as you talked about That's what's most insulting so I'm glad the president calling on. I'm glad you you were the first on this. You started communist out long ago and we appreciate your leadership on this issue and a host of thank you. I appreciate that I also want to talk about these Confucius institutes. I've been writing about this for a couple of years. We have a website China on campus dot com where we list all the universities that have Confucius institutes. I'll reference the list right here in just a second because I WANNA see. Ohio has any Confucius institutes because the last check. I think they did for our listeners. That don't know Confucius Institutes are Chinese Communist Party official government sponsored and funded institutions and installations on higher. Education is over one hundred them across the country. Christopher ray of which I've been critical of some of his recent handlings will get that in one second but he even said that this is one of the greatest threats of China domestically in the United States. They build server rooms. Would you need a server room on a college campus? At a computer they bring in military officials. They bring students that are spies that say. They're really students in their mid thirties and early forties. We're finally seeing a movement the shutdown these Confucius institutes have you seen some. Let's say chatter or at least some good movement to tried who get these Confucius. Institutes officially kicked off college campuses because China is our greatest enemy if Iran Russia was building. Institutes in our college campuses. We'd say this is outrageous. Have you seen some chatter around this? And what can people do to help? Get these removed from campus. Look it started. It started with you Charlie. We appreciate that. But Now in light of what China did Working through the World Health Organization with this virus. I think there's GonNa be more of a focus on this and thank goodness. We have president trump in the White House. This president has been taking on China. Be Campaigned on one of the reasons he got elected. And he's been whether it's you know trying to get China do adhere to international trade norms the tariff issue that he's kind of this the depth of intellectual property and on it goes including these institutes. They're putting on camp. We had that we had the professor at Harvard who was arrested recently because of this connections with with with with China and potential connections with Chinese espionage. So this is real serious. I think Americans are waking up to this. The good news is the leader of our country has been ahead of the curve. Have you and that is what that is what we really appreciate so congressman and the time the spare time you don't have you can call governor wine and say hey. Cleveland State has a Confucius Institute University of Akron. And I think there's one other in the state of Ohio so we gotta get them kicked out. They have no place in public institutions especially in the great state of Ohio. Taking that Chinese Communist Party money. And you just gotTa. It's so insulting congressman because I Ohio's one of my favorite states I Ohio is it's actually produced more present than any state in the country if I'm not mistaken As Ohio goes goes to the country is the old expression. But I think it's just it's an insult to injury and hear me out on this because Ohio has been disproportionately impacted by the deindustrialization of America. All those jobs that got shipped overseas the China Ohio. Really Baird a lot of blood to that they do. They go then come back to Ohio with a quasi military intervention and build institutes on campus. Say Well now love us for stealing all of our jobs taking your money away. It's gross. It's something I think needs a lot of blowback so I didn't mention Christopher wray and I want to talk about the FBI because you've been on the cutting edge of this. I think the way that Lieutenant General Michael Flynn was treated and has now been revealed to intrigue as one of the greatest injustices modern American history and the president has said about the deep state and spying has been proven to be true. You have you went out on a limb and you called out this nonsense before. These documents have been made public and in these documents. It was shown that this was entrapment. In its purest form an M. Any way you look at. It wasn't Chapman of Lieutenant General. Michael Flynn without legal representation in the People's House. The White House they go in and and Michael Flynn. Here's the question. I have congressman. Why is it that the Federal Bureau of Investigation? Christopher wray sat on this exculpatory evidence for two years kit. Can you add some insight into this? I have no idea but it is frustrating but for the worker Sydney Pal. Michael Flynn's lawyer but for the effort of the Attorney General Bill Bar Bill Bar said to Jeff Jensen. Us Attorney in Saint. Louis go take another look at the Mike. Flynn case those two bill bars. Actions and Sydney Pals actions are the reason we now have information what they did to three star general who served our country for over thirty years. And you put it all in context. Remember Charlie and you know this. In July of two thousand sixteen they launch an investigation into the president trump. They in the course that investigation in the summer of two thousand sixteen they use the now famous dossier the Doc- that was paid for by the Clinton campaign the dossier that was written by Christopher Steele who Christopher Steele told the Justice Department. He was quote desperate to stop trump from getting elected the dossier that they knew was Russian. Disinformation the dossier was salacious unverified. Jim Kobe's words not mine. They use that dossier go spy on people associated with President Trump's campaign and then we learn just a couple of weeks into his administration. They sneak two guys into the White House. They don't follow. The standards are supposed to follow notifying the White House counsel they sneak to FBI agents into the White House to set up a three star general and charged him with lying to the FBI. In this crazy. Logan which is never been used to charge anyone with the crime. That is how bad it it is and if just had one more thing understand what took place. January third Chuck Schumer goes on the Rachel maddow show. He says in response to a statement president trump at president-elect trump and president-elect trump and said that they're spying on me when you said they're spying on our campaign they're spying me Chuck Schumer says if you mess with the intelligence community. They have six ways from Sunday. Getting back at you the next day the two agents who were who were doing the investigation said there was nothing there with Michael Flynn. We should drop this crossfire razor investigation day after that. Peter Struck famous now. Peter Struck says wait a minute. Don't drop it Colmey. Mccabe told me we're GONNA continue this investigation and then the sixth of January. This is all in two thousand seventeen all spent three weeks. January six is when they go to trump tower and try to trap the President and briefed the president on the dossier two and a half weeks later to the White House and Michael. Flynn all that happens in a three and a half week time period in January twenty seventeen. That's how disgusting. This is so people need to be held to account most importantly I hope I hope John Durham. Yes he's doing. I hope they hold Jim. Komi accountable as the congressman said college campuses and student loan debt to really big issue for a lot of Americans. Are you in student? Loan debt or you wondering how you're going to get out of debt while I'll tell you. What credible DOT COM has answers? Got Com is an online marketplace. That gets you prequalified student. 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Because I'm struggling with this if I was Lieutenant General Michael Flynn. I'd be looking my chops and I'd say I'm going to sue the federal government fifty million dollars in damages because you sat on exculpatory evidence and by the way you know what makes our systems so beautiful and so unique congressman. Know you know this. We can sue our government. We're one of the only governments in the world where the citizens can sue the government. Now it's hard. It's hard to win The chances are not in your favorite. The odds are not in your but there's still a possibility and some of the greatest lawsuits in American. History of set precedent for citizen based reform have been people rising up actually filing a lawsuit against the federal government. Catherine Engelbrecht is one. Actually she won against the Internal Revenue Service when they went after her and they target her business because she dares looked into voter fraud. Which of course is the third rail. The Holy Grail of the American left but congressman failing to realize. What is Christopher? Raise motive? Here how could you sit on these documents while Michael Flynn mortgages his house for years and he goes into debt to defend themselves? Yeah and they threatened his son. I mean the thing that did the general planner just so so agree just so wrong It look he may do what you just described. That's up to him and his lawyers. Powell's we'll see we'll see what happens. We Send Eleven Chris. Right two days ago. We asked a simple thing. When did you know about this and when you did find out about it? Why did you give this information? And then most importantly we said give us any documents that relate to the Michael Flynn's situation that we haven't seen and we want to talk to two people in particular. We WanNa talk to Joe Pierre. Who was the agent who sat with Peter Struck when they interviewed Michael? Flynn I understand this. Peter Struck through text messages. We now have with him and Lisa pay lover. We have learned that Peter Struck change. What's what's called the throw to. That's the notes taken during the interview. They had with Michael. Flynn that original three to. We've never seen it's been changed. So we want that document the original three zero two and more importantly we WANNA talk to joke. We've interviewed Peter. Struck before I've been in the party's congressional investigations. He's been deposed we've had him in a hearing. We want to interview the other guy. Gop So we asked Christopher Lettuce interview this guy available for us to talk to and ask him these important questions and gives those documents. We'll see what Christopher up boy I mean for for. Michael Flynn everyone surrounding. I sure hope just starts to get served and true justice would be holding. These individuals account will make sure that this never happens. Again and Lady Justice supposed to be blind is supposed to be impartial. And that's just not the case here. It also thank you for your leadership by the way because during the Muller investigation. You were outspoken. Your vocal your public about how it was. A hoax was unconstitutional appointment. And I forget so quickly about Muller I mean that was all we talked about for a year and a half and they cut comes up with absolutely nothing. The president is exonerated completely than they do. The Ukraine impeachment now. Of course the viruses president has gone through incredible domestic adversity. In fact I could argue. He has been through more domestic adversity any other president in the modern era. And you look at. They literally impeached him. The investigator special counsel and then you have this corona virus Crisis that I believe. He's handled very very well as he's handled it very well. I also though have lots of concerns congressman about the erosion of freedom and liberty happening in real time across the country. I got my start in the movement I was holding up signs saying you know taxed enough already know more debts and deficits borrowing today stealing from the future and freedom and liberty of tomorrow. I know you're a deficit hawk. I know you care about the debt and deficit. We have so many young listeners. On this podcast. Can you give our listeners? Some comfort about what's happening right now in DC because I'm really worried about the four trillion dollar deficits the hyperinflation that might and soon the deterioration of our currency. That might be around the corner because of all this money that's created not great question. Let me back up one. Second you're exactly right. Wh- What went back to Michael? Flynn if they can do it to a three star general if they can do it to a president of the United States imagine what they can do magic what they can do less regular Americans. That's why this is so darn what happened to president. Trump should never happened. Anyone that never happened to any of the president. What Michael Flynn is so wrong? But if they can do with two three star general president of the greatest country in history and Magin what they can do to US regular citizens and that's why this is so important This this spending. You're right Charlie. It is it is. It is out of control but unfortunately we had to do it when I viewed this. This corona virus cares package this big couple trillion dollar package. We did to deal with the crisis. Rin Takings we all know. In Constitutional Law Government takes some of your property. Maybe there's an image for a public purpose. Yeah so if they take your power they have to compensate you for well in essence. What happened is governors around the country? Were saying look this viruses serious? We have to deal with it. We're GONNA shut down your livelihood. Shut Down Your Business. Your small business and so when that happens you have to compensate people so we had to borrow money. The Fed had to do things that are frankly unprecedented to make sure there was funds vailable for small business owners and families to get through this difficult time so the best thing we can do now though you got speaker. Pelosi talking about phase four phase. Five whatever phase. We're in she wants to spend another trae. My response is the best face for go back to work amen. It's open up this economy and midst. Let's forget this arbitrary distinction that that that that politicians are making essential versus non essential. Every business is essential to the person who's running it so let's let businesses opened up. Let's at businesses operate. And let's get back to this great economy we had under under president trump prior to the prior to the two thoughts on that. I agree completely that the greatest stimulus is to get people liberty and freedom back and Congress. And I'll be honest a I. I'm very worried that we all of a sudden are looking for the state to be the complete until the arbiter to take responsibility for ourselves. And when you have liberty you have to have personal responsibility. When the founding fathers wrote the architecture of our government and the architecturally constitution they said this will only be good. If you're a moral people in a responsible people and I'm not saying the government doesn't have a role to see to intervene times of mass disaster and mass crisis but I also pushback and saying was the shutting down everything around the country. The right move. We could talk about that for quite some time. I think the Fifth Amendment argument has a lot of sound and a lot of sound argument behind his thoughts on that the first of which if that is case then someone should pay for it and I think that someone should be China and I think we need a complete and total recalibration of our country's stance towards China I believe we need to see salt. Trade with China. The Chinese Communist Party is the greatest threat to America's future coming under criticism for that stance and that approach. But I believe it's time that we do not get tough and we do not treat them like the Soviet Union actors. That they are. They're going to continue to get rich at our expense the more we trade with them the less westernized they actually become. What is your stance on the Chinese Communist Party as a lawmaker is someone? Who's in these hearings? Do you see in you're hearing from constituents that are more worried about the rise of China and how our listeners interpret that I'll tell you I'll give you a great place to start. Let's start with hearings? On the World Health Organization Americans hard earned tax money goes to this organization that was running interference for China was lying to the world with Schilling for the Communist Party in China. I got asked by a reporter a couple of weeks ago. They said well. You Know Congressman. You're the you're the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee Top Republican the Oversight Committee. But if you were chairman if you guys weren't control what would you be having hearings on? It said that simple. The Judiciary Committee should be heavy hearings on the threats to liberty that we talked about a little bit earlier. You talked a little bit earlier. They're happening around the country and the oversight committee should be having hearings on the World Health Organization. Why in the world are we sending the harder tax dollars of the American people to this organization? Then have them give us false information in and chill for for the Communist Party I I got? I got a colleague Congressman. Gohmert has a great line. He says we don't have to pay organizations to lie to US. They'll probably do it for free right. So the minimum we should. We should say you're not getting any more American tax. This start there and then let's do the hard work and investigation. Let's continue the the the the trade policy that the president has started. That's designed to bring back manufacturing jobs design. Have China quit stealing? Our intellectual property quit stealing from us and and taking things from American manufacturing so but the great place to start his hearings on the World Health Organization. But Nancy Pelosi won't even let the congress come do its work. That's that's the that's the fundamental issue. We're at right now. I know I'm depressed too that there's no NBA no NHL. No Major League Baseball. The greatest sporting thing that I got to see recently the NFL draft. And that is over. But I want to tell you about our exclusive partner online. They still hundreds events games and props to wager on from their online casino poker. Blackjack as they are bringing the Vegas to you missing the NFL no problem but online is daily Madden NFL. Two Thousand Simulations. You can wager on if you're into entertainment. Bedding is still bad on survivor. 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I describe the ruling class as a group of people care much more about the institution than the country so for example James Comey's part of the ruling class because we walked into the bureau office every single day he cared more about the FBI symbol on the ground than the flag on the wall. He cared more about protecting whatever institution he thought existed prestige around it or his own personal career trajectory that was right for the fabric and the soul the greatest country it to exist in the history of the world. I think the same for Nancy Pelosi. She's part of the ruling class as she cares more about enriching herself protecting planned parenthood and her crony Democrat interest. All around her and whatever vision they have for America than the actual betterment of the American people. I consider Nancy. Pelosi be one of the most morally and politically bankrupt individuals in the history of American politics. What she did in front of her twenty four thousand dollar refrigerator designer ice cream to go on a comedy show and make mockery and light in the midst of a national crisis which of which we have the likes of which you have not experienced in over a century people. Call Her Nancy Into Wet Antoinette. She's more like an Eva Petron type. We can get into that later but congressman. Say this with you being excluded. I've never seen such anger and venom and hostility rebellion towards Congress. Ever and there's a little baby the bathwater syndrome there and I try to have people knew on saying look. There are good fighters congressman Jordan formerly Mark Meadows. And so many others. You mentioned Louie Gohmert. Who's amazing but I'll tell you congressman. We're upset with them. I mean there is more real rebellion against the Institutional Congress than I think in in in modern American history of not all American history. Are you hearing that? How are you interpreting it? And then also what can we do about Nancy Pelosi because and her whole leadership cartel that Seymour focus on investigating impeaching trump and actually dealing results for the American people. Well the main thing we can do is make sure whether Donald trump gets really like the president and we we elect more Republicans to the House of Representative. So we get a majority we. That's the main thing we do. You mentioned you right. There are people in Washington that I wish weren't there But there are also some folks who are who are serving the public. I'll give you a great example. The Attorney General of the United States issued a memo Charlie last Monday and in that Nemo he said this the constitution is not suspended during a Christ Amen Amen to that and he said he is instructing. Us attorneys around this country. This is direct quote. Be on the lookout for threats to people's fundamental liberty that that is that's the kind of leadership you want your justice. The contract contrast that with Jim Kolbe. That's bill billboards standing up and saying the right and remember. It was just three weeks ago where he issued the statement and said if you can go to the grocery store and maintain six feet social distance you can certainly go to a drive in church service and not be fine on Easter Sunday for goodness sake so there are while there are people like Pelosi who are frustrating to to Americans there also people like bill bar who are standing up for the loss standing up for the constitution standing up for fundamental liberty and freedom and we need to do an even better job of articulating that and congressman. I think we're seeing right now. A philosophical collision course because people like Gavin newsom. People like Governor Whitmer People Governor Governor Pritzker from Illinois. Of course you know I'm from Illinois always say the fun thing about being from Illinois's we have term limits to one term in office one jail but being from Illinois fled Proudly on now a resident of the state of Florida zero percent income tax very sane governor. You can actually visit your beaches and start a business. What these governors have total philosophical difference congressman? It's a collision course. They actually don't believe in natural rights. They think they're the administer of rights. They're like I don't know you can only you're gonNA leave the home we tell you because we are. Actually we're the ones that give you the existence for so in social contract theory whereas actually our whole design of which Attorney General Bill Barreda. Who was amazing credit? Recognize like no. Your freedoms are natural. We have to get a really good reason to take them away from you. Yes yes right right and remember. The Governor New Jersey said. The bill of rights was above his pay grade of one of the largest in our country. What are you talking about the? Here's the thing that scares me more than anything else I've seen during this seven weeks of this This virus and this shut down to the economy. The the statements from the mayors are two largest cities so we had we had mayor. Garcetti in L. A. Say snitching is will be rewarded and we had to Blasios. Set up a hotline where you could snitch on North on rat out your fellow citizens for taking their kids to the park or like that. So you got. The mayor's two largest cities advocating that citizens nork in rat and snitch on their fellow citizens. Their neighbors that is that is not healthy. For Democracy that is not healthy for a republic that has not healthy for our country. That's the part that offends me the most and then of course. You mentioned the Governor Whitman. What she did. I mean some ridiculous things. People are rightly fed up with this. And that's why they're protesting in standing up for their rights so take full circle in a couple minutes. We have remaining congressman. I always say whatever happens in college. Campuses will soon happen in American culture in the halls of Congress. Where did they get these niche ideas? Bias response teams on college campuses. Yet they condition students to look after each other and snitch on them and report on them. Where did they get people's? Have the idea of feeling safe at home. Let save spaces. They have been conditioning. Young people ought to be ready for this sort of state control on college campuses because the college campuses are cultural canary in the coal mine or a precursor harbinger of things to come. As and that. I know you recognize this. But that's why I tell people that the college campuses are not an insulated community. It is in the short term but long term that is the politics floating downstream from culture. That is the tributary that flows into our country. So only have two minutes remaining congressman with a huge election coming up into November. We're running up against the most corrupt former vice president American history. The most corrupt political father doing American history was sold out our country to the Chinese Communist Party sat on corrupt foreign boards and Barista. I don't even know if Biden is going to be the nominee. His daily struggle is putting together a coherent sentence. And let alone actually put together a message that resonates with people your and the consequential state of Ohio president trump won it decisively. What are you hearing on the ground? What can people do to help? Get President Donald Trump elected. And what do you think is GonNa be? One of the big message is going into a successful victory in November. Well it's going to be with US talking about Charlie. It's GONNA be China. I mean China and the Biden's connection with China Joe Biden being a defender of China. Just a few weeks back The criticism the president face when he shutoff traveled from China so that's going to be essential theme of campaign but President Trump is going to win. I mean what he prior to this virus. You think about what this Guy Accomplished. In spite of all the things you talked about all the things that that a taxi got from from the Democrats from the mainstream press from the hard left and frankly from a handful Republicans and yet in spite of all that before this virus you had Taxes have been cut regulations reduced strongest economy in American history. Lowest unemployment in fifty years. Gorsuch Cavanaugh on the courts out of the Iran deal embassy in Jerusalem hostages home from North Korea New Nafta Agreement and a whole bunch of other things trade policy changes with China and we can go on and on all that in spite of the most intense opposition. I've ever seen in my lifetime for president of the United States so of Americans understand that they liked this president spite. They like the fact that they know deep down. He cares about our military. Our veterans our law enforcement and regular hardworking people. Like you and I and the folks that I get to represent. So He's going to win Ohio. He wanted eight and a half a shock for years ago. I think he's GonNa do that again. And I think he's going to be president for another four years. We get through this. This virus issue Things are going to the great. American comeback is going to start happening in our economy with Donald Trump leading. It and again for what you do you've been. You've been a leader on so many issues on this issue on what's happening on college campuses. And we really appreciate it. Thank you congressman your hero. Everyone listening congressman over. He can we need so many more of you. It's just so depressing to see how most people honestly both political parties are just there to get reelected and just play by the rules. And all this you are. You are a hero. I mean that you're one of the few that actually do what he said it into fight for truth and freedom and justice so we got your back hundred percent. Thanks for joining. Us Congressman. Anything you can do to help you let us know. God bless you all right. Thanks thanks so much for listening everybody. If you guys WANNA GET INVOLVED TURNING-POINT USA USA. Dot Com T. P. USA DOT COM. You can get involved. Started chapter chip some if you can teepee USA DOT com. And please email me directly freedom at Charlie Kirk Dot com freedom at Charlie Kirk Dot Com. Tell me your stories. Tell me what you're seeing. You guys have tips or things that you think are important. I read all these emails. I responded as many as I can. 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"Thank you for listening to this podcast one production. Now, available on Apple podcasts podcast one spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. This upcoming school year teachers they're playing a critical role in helping families adjust to the new normal whether that be in the classroom or at home we need to support our teachers now more than ever that's why clorox is donating one million dollars to clear the list foundation to help supply the resources teachers need to set their students up for Success Clorox is also offering you a chance to win five thousand dollars for your back to school needs plus twenty thousand for your local school to prepare for the year ahead to enter visit CLOROX DOT com. Hey, everybody I was looking at the lineup. The Republican National Convention I said to myself. We've had all these people on our show before. And so I want to do an episode where we recap the best moments, Kaley mcenaney Madison Cawthorn Matt Gaetz, Rampal Don Jr. the United States the vice president Dan. Crenshaw Marsha Blackburn Rick Grenell Jim. Jordan Nikki Haley Rudy Giuliani Christie nominee tom cotton. This is an episode of the best of the Charlie Kirk show all in one. You guys are GonNa love it. We got all these people here the best moments of their previous. Appearances the Charlie Kirk show you guys want to support the hardest working team in politics Charlie Kirk, dot com slash support Charlie Kirk dot com slash support, amazing star-studded cast here of the biggest stars, the Republican convention that have all been on our program buckle up everybody. Here we go Charlie. What you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Charlie kirks running the White House folks. I WANNA thank Joe. He's an incredible guy, his spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building. One of the most powerful youth organisations ever created turning USA. Embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. And now Kelly mcenaney. So I do want to end on a more personal note Kaley on kind of a two part question. First, you are one of the youngest press secretary's I think in White House history, you have an amazing career trajectory and so many young people that message me both men and women are inspired by how much confidence you have I. I would love to have. You just comments on how you're able to come to this. I see that cross where that cross every single day I want to compliment you for the boldness of your faith. It's obviously really important to your to your testimony and your daily work. Please comment on those two things I know our listeners will be blessed by that. Share you know I an honor to be here as a millennial woman you work with lineal all across the country and being here and being a young person in particular and very proud I got through a lot of hard work as my dad says. Talent beats hard work when a hardware excuse me beats talent when town doesn't work hard. So I put in a lot of time. I take these proposals seriously, I know I'm working on behalf of the American people and I'm just trying to keep up with president trump who is someone who works around the clock. Yeah he's just got full of energy. So to be air to be here at a young age, it's just a testament to what hard work on can do on and keeping up with this president in terms of my faith it's a very important part of my life. I one of my. Mentors Ravi Zacharias and I've never actually met him but he's someone I've always looked up to he's a Christian apologists Don, who has meant a lot in my life and unfortunately as cancer and they've announced that he stopping treatment but he's someone who really throughout my days in academia when the going got tough when I was trying to stand up for my faith and my point of view someone who always provided the footnotes to what was trying to say when I shared my faith and he's the one who is in my thoughts and my prayers at this time but my faith is huge to me on my began the days. Mercer. My faith whether it's listen to Christian music or reading a devotional before I go out to the podium I'm realistic to a sermon on I couldn't get through on this job is really hard job without my faith. And now Madison Cawthorn my entire life was going as good as it could have been. Born in one, thousand, nine, hundred, five grew up in the mountains of western North Carolina and credible family incredible community had always dreamed going to the Naval Academy had just got nominated eighteen years old plan on playing football. My entire life is going how ever you'd want it to go sharp mind credible physical abilities. But. Then you know as as I'm on a road trip with my best friend I'm taking a nap in the passenger seat. For whatever reason I I assume he thought it'd be better as a group activity and so he He he accidentally fell asleep behind the wheel car. About seventy miles an hour to construction zone on the interstate ninety speeding up in bad But you know when there's no one on the wheel of the car dangerous things happen. So it's seventy miles an hour run into a concrete barricade. And from there you. You went through years in the hospital you're, and you're a month and a hospital here in a month in a hospital three months in ICU. I was I was terribly damaged my entire body now have. Found to a wheelchair from now on. But for the very first time after I came out of the hospital at, you know about one hundred, fifty pounds. In a wheelchair. And I went to A. Professional Baseball game. I realized what it was like to have people look oriented crowd. To feel disenfranchised to feel like that society had left you behind and you that you're no longer a part of the process and so that is an enabled me to. People Really WanNA walk a mile someone's moccasins before I make a decision about what's happened their life and so you started going across the country speaking about your story right one of being victor not a victim and then you had this idea I want to run for Congress because you felt like we were losing our country You are the youngest candidate probably by half probably. In a very crowded primary or how many people were in your primary are we at twelve people in the primary? So the way the system works in north. Carolina. Like a lot of southern states they have a very crowded primary. The top two vote-getters had a runoff, and so it was a surprise you've been made the runoff right? It was you know we we were considered a dark horse in the race. No one really ever Davis thought we would be able to do it but you know at the end of the day, what it came down to his hard work and a great message. Message of conservatism of freedom of personal responsibility of having the pen of destiny in your own hands and so. No one gave a chance. But when we when all the votes came out, we realize we're in second place. My team was actually frustrates me and I. And, and so then we started into our our runoff election and Charlie you know how how the Audrey sack against us more at that point? And I speak personally to that. And now Congressman Matt Gates. Then Corona virus comes and there's this demand from law enforcement agencies around the country to be able to enforce social distancing, and so DJ I. This this Chinese drone company donates just a ton of drones to twenty two states over forty eight minute municipalities to fly around. Now, why should that scare us because in twenty seventeen, our own department of Homeland Security Out, of the Los, Angeles Office wrote a memo indicating that these vary DJ, drones were dual use that while they might be flying around the park to enforce social distancing that they're really collecting information. On key infrastructure, electric grits, points of vulnerability ingress, and Egress, and they do report those things back to China. Again, that's not some conspiracy theory. I thought off. That's what our own government wrote in a report after that report homeland security grounds there DJ drones the US Army says, they will never again procure these because of their compromising capabilities and even the Park Rangers at the Department of the Interior grounded their drone fleet but today in America, there's this massive expansion of this Trojan Horse Intelligence Gathering Action Run by China executed by the I'd drones and your local police department maybe unknowingly. The controls of Chinese operation to make your communities less safe, and if you're worried I, don't care if China. If China knows, I'm grilling chicken in my backyard. You know what am I worried about? The real question is as these broadcasting surveillance flights are occurring they picking up where you get your water where you get your energy and that is just simply not information that I want China to have. So I think the Department of Justice needs to act swiftly on this. Issue, guidance, and hopefully Charlie a the states will also take a role here the state's attorneys-general, just a memo to the United States Congress seventeen of them, encouraging us to pursue action against. I would suggest that every attorney general in America could issue guidance today to their law enforcement in their state saying ground, you're DJ I fleets. Our government knows that this is not a gift. This is an intelligence collection asset provided to us by our enemy. It is so well said, thank you for your leadership on that because. So few members of Congress are actually getting into the weeds of how the Chinese Communist Party is continuing their imperial international expansion. into our country quite honestly it's terrifying. It's terrifying that the tyrants of Beijing and Shanghai will be able to open up their laptops and see the movements and see how American citizens are going to church or not going to church these these people cannot be trusted and would you give fascist? Would you give miles China that sort of power because that's what we're dealing with here we are dealing with a malevolent regime has a million Muslims and concentration camps they've been trying to build an international empire and they're ahead of schedule they lie continue continuously it is a it is as they speak the lies flow and we have covered that extensively here on the Charlie Kirk show. Whether, you're working from home or working your fitness, you want what you're listening to be actually what you're listening to not what your roommates or your children are listening to. Before you drop a hundred dollars on the next pair of ear buds check out the wireless ear buds from Ray Con-. 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But before we do please supported Charlie Kirk Dot com slash report Charlie Kirk Dot com slash support rand Paul everybody, and so we build them a natural gas gas station. There are no cars. So we bought him some cars we want him twenty four cars that run on natural gas led some no money. So we credit card to get the gas. But the gas station was supposed to cost about a half a million it ended up costing forty, five million because the contractors were ripping us off. So I to members of my staff to go to Afganistan to look this way they got over there, and after nineteen years, you can't drive in a car anywhere. You have to go by helicopter with Marines to protect you even within the city of Kabul the capital. So the gas station was out in the country and they said can. We see it to see if it is functioning what's it? What's a forty five, million or natural gas gas station doing and they said, well, we just can't take the risk to go out there. It's not worth Americans dying to show you this gas station. So like we spent forty five million in an area of the country regaining visit see this is crazy. No kids should be sent over Afghanistan when there is no reason for the warning more, we're building him gas stations and roads. Well. Senator. Our time is short. Is there anything in particular? Plug I know you mentioned the book And everyone here should by the put the case against socialism is it available for preorder yet or will be soon soon, it's going to come out into September early October. This room can help make it a bestseller I know that but anything else that these students can help you with in your fight for Liberty I have to tell everyone in this audience of dealt with. So many of these politicians and they just don't get it I mean there's maybe four or five in the Senate that reasonably get it and really ran Senator Rand Paul is one of the that is so vocal on the issue of ending the endless wars and criticizing the spending. And now Donald Trump junior and if they're willing to destroy people's lives without any basis, in fact, without any evidence, you know obviously the evidence against Cavanaugh was so overwhelming that Dianne Feinstein in the Senate. Sat on it for. Three months and then illegally leaked it and then leaks it. It's really disgusting but that's what we are up against. We have to realize that we are in a a serious fight further for the culture of our country and there's nothing the other side won't do and when I see them espousing those values I, know that the government nonsense and the censorship and this it's crazy, I? mean. There's things was the thing I saw today in. Massachusetts is the latest outrage. There's early viewing banning think you Massachusetts trying to ban the ability to call someone a bitch It's not nice. But then like you know and then go rhino, we're not trying to suppress it. They're not trying to suppress anything as long as they're okay with what you're saying but I'm sure it's okay to call a Maga- supporter that I mean it'd be. You see the media really trying to ban that I saw that today. They don't have anything better to do. Nothing. Better to do it. Well, if they did they'd be working on infrastructure. MCA, there'd be infrastructure instead of. Of immigration the President's put forth an amazing immigration plan. This is the big pressing issue Massachusetts. This shows how good the economy is to be honest with you. They can't talk about it because they got nothing I mean what are their plans they have? No they won't even vote on issues that will make it better because they're worried about getting humble win, and that's the real issue. When you think you realize that NAFTA is a failure they realized that NAFTA has a failure. They're they're trying to reclaim this notion that there for the blue collar workers of America which they lost under trump. We're are you? Thing, they voted on six months. So when they brought it to the table, but it's still sitting on Nancy Pelosi's desk because she can't bring it to the people because trump was the guy that got it done. They said it was impossible. He got done like everything else that he's done and it might help him get reelected. That's why they're trying to. They would rather watch American suffer and not be able to take advantage of more job opportunities and all these things than to have their own constituency thrives because they hate trump more than they love America. The United. States everybody. I don't have to say much more than that. Email me your questions really quick freedom at Charlie Kirk Dot com the president Mr President Welcome to Arizona. We'll thank you very much. You're about to address the second largest gathering post lockdown I think on the planet right and it's all young people. What is your message to the next generation I think it's just hope and I think that we are doing a great job. We have the best job numbers with ever had a month ago actually two weeks ago. The retail numbers coming back. Very strong. We had this problem with China with send something over here probably by accident who knows? And we're coming out of it very strong, very powerfully The third quarter is going to be incredible I think really believe it will be and fourth quarters going to be really good and is going to be one of the best years we've ever had. So it's going to be great fee young people. You signed an executive order yesterday that I loved and appreciated restricting immigration that will protect jobs of graduates. Can you tell us? Very. Simply, we want to take care of Americans, I and I'm okay with having people come in based on merit you know that I've been talking to you about that for a long time but we want to have people come in. On Merit. But right now we have jobs. So fill and I want to do that before I even think about anything else and we signed something that's very strong. It's really America first. America first is very simple message to put our country and our generation I MR president, you have been outspoken about the need for the silent majority silent no longer. So many young people are losing their jobs because of their beliefs, some of them physically threatened enclosing here one last. Piece of messaging as you hear the crowd roar. Incredible. In fact, every single seat filled and we had a little battle with the fire marshal over it but I said that. Always win this. So for young conservatives out there that are being targeted for their beliefs. What is what is your message for them? Well, we're going to be doing something. I'm going to be you know you saw it having to do with. Schools that are funded refunded and I know it's had a big impact on you and I. Have sold out crowds and everything else. But. We're winning we're in the white. House we're going to win the White House again. Hopefully, we're GONNA win the Senate. We're going to bring back the house we are doing great, and I really think that as far as targeting I like targeting back. You know they have to people's Biz a single after customers. If you advertise and conservative show, you know what's going on go after the advertiser. Oh, it's a disgrace. What they do is a disgrace and the bottom line is we're winning. And then knocking down on monuments and they're knocking down our statues that knocking down all sorts of things and the ad we're gonNA knock them down we're, GONNA. Win This. We're GONNA. Win It. Really big. And these incredible people that I hear the background. There on the winning team. and. I think the other side has frankly I think they've just lost it and you see it but we'll see what happens. November we have to go November thirds of big day and it's a big day. We're all waiting for it and I think we're doing really well, we're all set to go. We're just starting to campaign right now. You know we were on television the other night for speech, and it was the highest rating, the history of Fox on a Saturday night and the history a long history. It's a lot of good shows and some probably pretty bad ones too. But an online. You saw the kind of numbers we love in million views. There are tremendous as a tremendous spirit there that. I guess they call it enthusiasm that people haven't seen in a long time. So I think we're going to do really well, Mr President, we have your back. Thank you for fighting generation and can wait to hear you have to say you've always had my back I, appreciate it, and thank as your thanks. 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I think they see a president who's rebuilt our military who's revive the American economy WHO's appointed? A record number of conservatives to our courts at every level? WHO has America's standing tall in the world again, respected as never before and contrast that with the Democratic Party. That, you seems to be overtaken by left wing radicals who support not only this partisan impeachment but but. Late term abortion open borders a free healthcare for illegal immigrants I mean and socialist policies. That, really have A. have literally. Impoverished millions over the last century and rob. Rob The liberties of generations to think that. To think that Bernie Sanders is leading in the polls in the Democratic Party here in Iowa today. In is an avowed socialist is really It it really tells you all you need to know about today's Democratic Party and I think that's why you see so many people. Yes. Coming our way when the rally tonight in Des Moines. Mean I know Charlie there'll be a lot of good Republicans there and there'd be some Democrats to there's GonNa be a lot of Democrats there. We you know. We actually people registered for these things and. They're given the opportunity to tell us about their political background and that'd be a significant number in des Moines tonight. Before the president and I take the stage that'll be proud democrats, but they're coming to this president they're coming to the Republican Party just like students all across the country are are coming to this movement through turning point. Because they see the results yes. They see a president who's putting commonsense American principles and ideals into practice in his delivering results in a stronger more prosperous America. So I want to quickly follow up on one of those points being in Iowa. Bernie Sanders might win this state and he might be the nominee which in my opinion would be probably one of the. Stark, contrast arm and my lifetime of two different ideologies and you could look at Nineteen eighty-four Nineteen seventy-two which were landslides in the Republican conservative direction when Democrats nominated someone so socialist and so radical but as universities and young people that are pushing the rise. Bernie Sanders. Congressman Dan Crenshaw right here on the Charlie. Kirk show. I have no connection to Boston at Tufts because I was always Internet and interested in policy I did international. International Relations at Tufts. Grew up abroad because in the gas sector. So grew up in Houston speak fluent Spanish. Yeah and so. Talk Lumbia and Did Model UN as a kid. So I was like I was all into international affairs I, figured that would be a good major and minor in physics just just because I don't know why there was no reason for that. It was I figured that's what I would do if I wanted to pretend to be a smart kid. and which. I guess that's a whole different story but So we've got to Harvard the end of my military career I knew I want to remain in policy and so I went to the took to the Kennedy School. I didn't go to business school and go to law school to the Kennedy School. More study policy and then you know. Find. A new path in that direction not politics but there is a difference for this is important for kids to understand because you get asked about this, allow like how do you get involved? How do you get into? Say the first. The first thing you have to differentiate is whether you're interested in policy or politics there is a difference. If you're interested in policy I, I would just that usually means you're interested in a certain type of policy. Okay. Maybe it's I you know I don't know maybe it's labor or something maybe maybe it's maybe it's small business development I don't know I don't know whatever it is for you but maybe get really smart on that one piece of policy maybe work for a politician maybe worked for a think tank maybe that's your thing behind the scenes if you're interested in a whole bunch of different policies and you WanNa have a kind of a broader effect in that way then you do have to get into politics a little bit more and and I found more and more that that's where I was at Still wasn't thinking about running because there was no path to running I. Don't have any money I don't know a lot of people with money didn't know anybody with money really and and there wasn't really a clear window of opportunity. There wasn't a clear place that I would run for office, and so you have to have one of those three things and I didn't have any of them but but my wife and I did talk about running just kinda casually. And then all of a sudden one day maybe probably at least four or five months, six months after I graduated from Harvard. I was actually about to take a job policy job and department of Defense, and then the next day was running for caucus. It just happened that fast because the third thing opened up. From your service to the seals Yep Yep, this is ten years in the seal team's. I'm around a lot but centers in the seal team's going to Harvard and. Being at Harvard. Again, I went in there wearing conservatism on my sleeve. Like, super outspoken about it but we're on ABC field that went to Harvard Senator. Marsha Blackburn. Oh Charlie. I am so happy to be with you and your listeners One of the things that we know is it is going to take all of us working together to finally deal with China, and as your. I have worked on this issue of China with their intellectual property violations. The way they've stolen our entertainment and written work content. The way they have tried to force while way their telecommunications company into our system because that is how they are using, they're using what way to build a spy network and I've also spent time raising the awareness. Every one of these Chinese. Companies are just what their state owned and who is the state in. China is the Chinese Communist Party. So, as we look at Corona virus in Covid nineteen as the way to pivot toward action, there are some steps we need to put in place to make this an orderly process I is Senate resolution five, fifty, three I have it in the Senate Congressman Jim Banks has it in the house and this is a sense of Congress resolution which would send a message to the Chinese Communist Party and their leadership that we know they caused the covid virus. And they did this by hiding information by lying about what was happening they were not transparent. They would not give us a viral Sample to work from when we ask them for an active pharmaceutical ingredient, they said, well, we may hold back on that. We might not give it to you and then they change their mind and decided to give it to us. Then they said Oh this is all caused by the US military. then. They decided they would begin to expel journalists. So in that resolution, we say we recognize all this in China you are guilty of having. Taken the virus allowed it to spread and calls this global pandemic the? Thing. That we would do is to in the these Confucius institutes that are. On the campuses of many of our universities and you know some of these universities thinking they were. Teaching a different culture and allowing these Chinese professors quote unquote air quotes, professors they're actually spice onto these campuses and this is all come to light listened. If you take tax payer money, you can't have a Confucius Institute. The third thing have China way? 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You just tell them that Charlie Kirk show sent you amazing selection reliably low prices all the parts you'll ever need rock auto dot com. Rick Grenell. Especially when we look at Europe is being a Western alliance, right they're part of NATO NATO is the greatest multilateral organization in the history of the world, and therefore we believe that Germany, the largest economy in Europe should pay its NATO bill. Wise. Should we have fifty thousand American troops in Germany fifty thousand American troops your tax dollars. Okay. This is billions of dollars and yet the Germans are going to say to us. We're not going to abide by the NATO rule, which says, two percent of your GDP should be spent on your own defense. They haven't been doing that for quite some time. Is that right? No, and you know look I have to be honest with you when when I get pushback from the German government and they say you're so tough and your germs or saying your tough. She must be quite tough. They complain about President Trump's tweets they complain about my speeches or direct messages. They're complaining that we are too tough on them on on defense spending. And what I say to them very clearly is this also has been a policy of multiple US governments and you have ignored the Obama Administration you've ignored the Bush administration who all asked very nicely. In the very typical diplomatic way right please pay more for defense. Please pay your NATO obligation. And yet they've ignored that what lesson do you learn that? When president trump is very clear when president trump tweets a pay your fair share obligations at NATO and you start to raise your defense spending. The only lesson that we can learn is that we have to keep the pressure on because that's the only way that you're going to increase defense spending. Jim Jordan. I. Think the way that Lieutenant General Michael Flynn was treated and has now been revealed to intrigue as one of the greatest injustices and modern American history everything. The president has said about the deep state and spying has been proven to be true. You have you went out on limb and you called out this nonsense before these documents have been made public and in. These documents it was shown that this was entrapment in its purest form an m any way you at it wasn't treatment of Lieutenant General Michael Flynn without legal representation in the People's House, the White House they go in and entrapped Michael Flynn. Here's the question I have congressman. Why is it that the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Christopher, race sat on this exculpatory evidence for two years. Can you add some insight into this? I have no idea, but it is frustrating but for the worker Sydney Powell Michael Flynn's lawyer. But for the effort of the Attorney General Bill Bar Bill. Maher said to Jeff Jensen US attorney in Saint. Louis, go take another look at the Mike Link. Those two bill bars, actions and Sydney pals actions are the reason we now have this information what they did to three star general who served our country for over thirty years and you put it all in context remember charting. You know this. In July. Of Twenty six team, they launch an investigation into into president trump may in the course that investigation in the summer of two, thousand sixteen, they use the now famous dossier, the doc- that was paid for by the Clinton campaign. The dossier by Christopher Steele, Christopher Steele told adjusted rb he was quote desperate to stop trump getting elected. The dossier that they knew was Russian disinformation. The dossier that they knew was salacious unverified Jim Kobe's words not mine. They used that dossier who goes spy on people associated with President Trump's campaign, and then we learn. Just a couple of weeks into his administration. They sneak two guys into the white. House, they don't follow. The standards are supposed to follow notifying White House counsel they sneak to FBI agents into the White House to set up a three star general and to charge him with line to the FBI in this crazy Logan Act which has never been used charge anyone with the crime. That is how bad it is, and if I can just add one more thing, understand what took place January third chuck. Schumer goes on the Rachel maddow show. He says in response to a statement president trump at president-elect trump and set president-elect trump had said that they're spying on me. They're spying on our campaign spying on me, chuck? Schumer, says, if you mess with the intelligence community, they have six ways from. Sunday getting back at you the next day the two agents who who were doing the investigation said there was nothing there with Michael, Flynn, we should drop this crossfire razor investigation the day after that Peter Struck. Famous. Now, Peter Struck said wait a minute don't drop it combing the cave. TOLD ME WE'RE GONNA, continue this investigation, and then the sixth of. January this is all in twenty seventy. All spent three weeks, January six when they go to trump tower and try to trap the President and briefed the president on the dossier two and a half weeks later is when they go to the White House entrapped Michael Flynn all that happens in a three and a half week time period in January of twenty seven. That's how disgusting this is. So people need to be held to account most importantly I. Hope I hope John. Durham. Segregation is doing I. Hope they hold Jim Komi accountable. Nikki Haley. Charleen to one thing people understand. This is bigger than the virus China has been an aggressor and a bully for a long time and the United States has been naive for way too long just to give you an example in the past month were country in the world stood still every country has been has tried to survive and take care of their people. Do you know what China's been doing? They have been highly aggressive in the south China. Sea where a third of our shipping takes place they and then arresting Hong Kong protesters that were speaking negatively about China, he had been texting nuclear weapons going against the nuclear testing ban this stuff they've done in the last month. So while everyone else is trying to survive, they have not let off the gas. It's time for us to be smart. It's time for us to call them out and it's time for us to do something about it, and that's what we hope to petition is music to my ears I have talked about for some time how we need to be skeptical and we need to be very firm, and now I have called for the complete and total. Shutdown of economic relations with China, with some people saying that goes too far. You accurately point out that their aggression, the South China Sea they have a million. Muslims. In concentration camps, they harvest the organs of anyone that they choose at any time. It is one of the most hostile countries in the world to Christianity they have the Belton road initiative they have bought. Up, ports of entry and sub Saharan Africa and south. America they look at the world as if it's their imperial sandbox and they've total disregard for human rights and thank you for standing up for what was right on the UN Security Council in the United Nations where it's like the Dan of lions against America, it's basically we pay them so they can hate us. Rudy Giuliani. And I have now come to the position I had a conversation with Rand Paul. Last night and he and I had totally different views during the debate we debated it. I've now I've can't say have come all the way over his position, but he's absolutely right that we have to curtail the rights of American citizens a precious and his position has long been. Hey, this could end up being abused at some point and which you always admitted and you said, but you know there's a process and I also had a picture of US attorneys. Offices. Of, the nineteen eighties. Very honest char eight point, very, very different and you asked me about the southern district. So that just use in Manhattan major places where they hire people are the Ivy League law schools and they take the top ten. These are all self proclaimed geniuses. Nine out of ten are out of control liberals say they're all Marxists I would imagine the hatred trump is palpable So I can someone a good lawyer. Control that and be a good lawyer. I. Actually have an example of a judge like that. Just made a very fair decision that helps president trump even though he personally hates it That's a great. That's what that's a great lawyer. That's but the ordinary human beings are. Angry at him I think they are angry at me because of the way I embarrassed him over the cone case. That that guy was lying machine. and. Every time he lied, we nailed him and we ruined him as a West for them. Yes. Also to thoughts come to mind number one, the new American left not liberals leftists that are trained in the universities, which is my fight. They train activists to throw away ethics and principle for what they say. But the ends justify the means it's very Machiavelli and in their mind everybody everybody says and I think I haven't read it in a while. Twelve years. Saul alinsky rules. Solid Ski. basis. Kristi nome. And ridiculed by the media for telling people in my press conferences. If you're scared if you're fearful, you can stay home you have every right and responsibility to stay in your house and we will make badge of honor. We all make sure that we get you food and that you're doing fine. But if you are scared, you have every opportunity to stay home and you don't have to read your house. So you know having that plane conversation I think people appreciated at times the media used to say I was naive but then the people stepped up in group me right I'm Dave. and. It made all the difference in the world. Well, and that's a badge of honor and I say frequently, we do not have a media in our country. We have a group of activists that call themselves journalists with big twitter followers that control big platforms of influence true journalists would have treated every state and every locality independently and objectively, and it totally backfired on them because they had looked the media always looks at things in terms of hero and villain, and they've tried to make donald trump the villain, and they scanned across the prairie and they said Oh we can try to make this governor from south, Dakota, the villain well, it backfired miraculously on. Them, because I could tell you you have now become the only person who will be able to assess during the greatest power grab in the last hundred years if not in American history where Christians couldn't go to church on Easter, where we at a shutdown, our businesses where every school is basically shut down every governor who said these words, freedom liberty, I trust my citizens. There was only one that actually did it in the media said, well, no, we're going to try to make her into the one that was you know trying to be against the grain and Contrarian, and yet you flatten your curve by seventy five percent I have seen nothing but great approvals. Tom Cotton. But from the very beginning when I first started seeing reports of an unusual viral pneumonia in Wuhan. In China? I start studying pretty carefully and looking at what was happening and you're right. They're still so many unknowns most notably, we still don't know where the virus started. We know it was in or near Wu hand the Chinese Communist Party said for weeks that it was at a raw food market but even they admit that that's not the case. So it's possible that was naturally occurring food market or farm or a food processor or what have you. But as I've noted from the very beginning, there is a Super Lab Mahan that deals with infectious diseases to include corona. Virus. So. It's only reasonable and responsible. We asked the question about whether or not that lab has some connection and it could be a negligent but unintentional connection you know China has a history of their laboratories, not successfully containing diseases that they're researching, but we need to demand those answers from the Chinese Communist Party because they have been so dishonest and they black transparency from the very beginning, and we need to put the burden of proof on them because the origins of the virus can, of course. Effect and has implications for diagnostic testing. Drugs and vaccines, and you were called by the media a conspiracy theorist for dare pointing out that they have the super lab in. And we still have no idea who patient zero is. 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LOST: Down the Hatch | Season 2, Episode 18: Dave

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LOST: Down the Hatch | Season 2, Episode 18: Dave

"Okay look I know you're freaking out right now and I'm I'm I'm sorry but it's going to get a little worse before it gets better or worse. Yeah Kinda you ready dude. Six point lost is over but we have to go back. Wait Lasagna hold on let me. Just grab that But gotta go back down. The hatchet lost rewatch podcasts. Europos recaps everybody. I'm Josh Burglar. Just give me a quick second tomorrow. Donna Play Road Lasagna. Mike if you want to just take over the PODCAST for a second. I'm just going to beat myself so well people don't know is that this is actually a tradition on the hash. Even before Dave outwardly mentioned it Josh downs. A piece of lasagna. Before every single podcast that we feel in order to get some Nice. Carbohydrates in assistant pre podcasts. Yeah I got a Carbo load before we sit down for our marathon for our podcasting sessions because even though the podcasts have been closer to like two and a half two hours. Recently the recording sessions are still four hours. We're just trimming down the fat. Yes unlike this episode. We are far from extended man of all the episodes Dave. Yeah apparently Rina's almost pedia. This is not counting finales which are obviously multi part episodes. This is the third longest single episode of lost. Wow Dave I think Jeremy Bentham is a little longer and I believe Abba Turano might be the longest like forty eight minutes or something but yeah just coming into like forty five minutes. Wow Dave Dave is the is the third longest non finale premiere episode of lost. We'll see how long the podcast goes. We've got much to discuss including the fact that I hate Steve not talking but the episode talking about the Guy Him Dave Mike. Hey Dave so much I mean. That's the point though and I will say about this episode. Starting off because spoiler alert but huge especially as a follow up to lockdown which I think is supplying episode of loss and one of them is the character of Dave which all sort of cop what I said for fire plus water in this situation of like I can appreciate the intention behind the character but that does not meet I can enjoy it and Dave purposely so is an immensely unenjoyable character from my perspective deeply deeply so deeply so and respect to Evan Handler. Who plays that perfectly here? Evan Handler. Has I think you're right that I think that that's supposed to be the point that you're supposed to really hate this guy. That's trying to lure hurley off of a cliff both like existential literally but they do such an effective job that like. My skin crawls every time Dave is onscreen and though I have come to respect this episode in a way that I haven't respected it until the most recent rewatch that I did and this same rewatch. It held up in that same regard. Respect does not mean that God like no joy date. I enjoy watching this one except for a few key scenes. I unequivocally enjoy but there's so much just about J. that I just cannot take. I cannot abide no shade to Hulu fx. On Hulu Dave. Little Dicky has nothing to do with down the Hatch Got Imagine. I was a little dicky. Dj Drinks on me. If we'll dickey was dave for for Hurley like Hurley's Dave imagine this episode would be would be lit crossover between DJ Domino. Little dicky would be wild but I would say that. I think that if that's the case you know Evan Handler's Dave is more so definitely like the devil on the shoulder right. The thing is like hey you should do this. Even though it's not good for you I feel like the little dicky version of Dave more so very passive aggressively poking at Hurley. To do things which might work via reverse psychology. But what do I know? I'm not a liberate. Dr Brookes Libya Dr Either. These are the things that we are going to debate. Here on the PODCAST. Of course we've got feedback. We will use that to guide the conversation towards the end of the podcast. Even send that our way every week down the hatch at push recaps dot com. You can also always tweeted us at Ron Howard. Mike is at a Mike Bloom type. You may be tired of hearing US talking about lost because we've done. We've done a lot lately. It's a big big week for Josh. Getting onto a microphone for hours on and talking about loss and they spanned from like this super serious and sincere to quite possibly the most ridiculous thing. Either one of us have done in our podcast us. Far I think the jury I was GonNa say is out on the success of Survivor the end of extinct. Say the jury is to four pairs. The hands at a Gujjar jury has returned with words and I think we all agree that that was messy area very weird very messy and I think one of the hardest to follow brand steals across the and posted recaps universe a really really fun night of streaming live on twitch. We Post that in the podcast feed on the morning of May Twenty Third Twenty twenty ten year anniversary of the lost series finale. Also on that day Mike and I. We watched the finale on twitch stream. That was really really fun to do. Keep an ear out on a possible way to to to catch that again in podcast form. Not on your down the hatch. Feed some news to come next week. A little bit of a teaser. There making on Boykin. I own Australia. I don't know why came out like off. Mike and I also appeared on the storm. The rape podcast. That is that has a spoiler. Free section and a spoiler filled section. Joanna Robinson spoke with both of us Great Joanne Robinson as well as a ton of incredible people. Say you're tweeted out. You know this was available on the storm Patriot and it is completely free. Even if you're not a patron episode is Yeah Yeah but to see like our names mentioned next to like Docked Jensen even Jose Garcia. And some Dan Fienberg. And I'm like how did I get here like I feel like I'm like petty and the Church you know of like okay. Get some sort of the plus one here to Josh that. I'm just going to hang around with all these big names and I sort of feel like the hanger on but it was such a great great conversation. You Know Justin. I talk a lot about our own respective histories of loss. But it's GonNa be a while before we get to the end properties. If you want to hear our thoughts about like our specific thoughts around the end it may be. Our opinions have changed over the years. Check that out. It's really funny because it's a really great podcast. People have so many great takes on it and there's so many different people speaking over the course of an hour and I saw the hour long runtime time. Like wow my. Can I talk to Joanna for like a half hour? Oh God what we done and then like you do get to the segment where Mike and I speak for like a solid seven minutes. Stretch as like this is how down. The hatch ends up being three hours. They got down to seven minutes. All the power. I think I think so. Apologies to the storm editors and the storm listeners. Who who are not used to hearing Mike and I talk for way too long just stuffing every second of podcasting with with with with was way too many words even just like trying to say that just now was buried difficult and all three. It's just thirty seconds to the PODCAST. This this is what happens. I was also on the hatch. Not Down the hatch. Yeah Alagar are like. It's not like a twin brother. Podcasts like a fraternal twin brother. That like it looks like in that resembles the same day. We've got a very similar name but The Hatch is the podcast by Sammy and Rosie and they often are interviewing people from behind the scenes actors from the show. We referenced them in our show notes from the Ben. Behind the curtain. They're invaluable resources. Just really really wonderful people And I got to speak with them. Because if you've seen this on twitter over the past few weeks they were doing this thing. Lost Madness march madness for lost episodes going up against each other in ways that make more sense than the ways you and I have been each other. Mike and the way that they ceded out the tournament was by using the Hollywood reporter rankings written in September so Tricia Tanaka was the number two seed. No surprise that there was an upset against Tricia Tanaka interest in August. Not necessarily go very far so it was really funny. 'cause the last few weeks anytime anyone would have a complaint about how the tournament was going the hatch twitter. Just drag me. If you're mad about the results playing around Howard the seating this fault the Sammy and Rosie had beyond over at the Hatch. The link to that podcast into their feed is in the show notes last week. Mike was just one of the most enjoyable weeks of like this revitalized period of lost fandom for me where like we were celebrating the end. Really Nice to see. Like consensus is. The end was great. You know ten years later. That episode still hits. We're seeing a lot of like johnny come lately is not to be Johnny Hurley's friend but it does seem and we talked about this a bit on the storm as well that I think in the rear view mirror tenures and especially in lieu of maybe some recent shows that have also maybe the landing I think the end looks is thought it was good fondly especially those people that have gone back and actually watch not only the end but the entire series as well maybe viewed it through a different Lens than initially thought. It's just a really fun. Time to be a loss van right now and I hope everyone knowing that Mike and I are feeling that we feel as energizes ever to kill keep going. Nobody'll de energizes ever to kill Dave to keep going on the pockets. We do not want to kill the podcast. We want to kill it on the podcast. We want to make sure that the podcast enjoyable for you but like my great unholy fear of like we would start a lost rewatch podcast and get like two episodes in and then I'd get bored and stop It has has baird. This remains a very very central highlight in my in my modern existence agree and last week was just a really really fun reminder between doing what we did on down the hatch but also getting to crossover with the storm and crossover with the hatch. Really really great loss. Podcasts out there so if you don't somehow filled your cup up with two and a half hours of down the hatch every week just to shout it to the storm and the hatch to other really incredible loss podcasts. That you should be listening to and your talk about all right in a huge cup. Wow Big Gulp Big Gulp of podcast cups before we get into Dave. Let's take one last moment pre show. 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Horowitz are the writers behind Dave it airs April Fifth Two thousand six and of course centers on Hugo Hurley race and his magic J. Dave non an uncommon name in the world of lost. Indeed I think is what I realized this time around. Is that her. Not only as Hurley's dad named David but also played by Cheech Marin of Cheech and Chong's famous bits. Josh is none other than Dave's not here man. And so that's sort of what I it on this time. It's like I should have known the entire time with the name day. Of course Dave's not here man. He's not real. He's not even real or is he. I that there are a lot of questions about Dave. Because this is a strange episode to half like the imaginary friend episode of lost on a show where we know that ghosts are real monsters are real sideways universes are real and I'm using that refrain purposely because we're going to get into that by the end of this episode very evocative of the end and I think that we should have a pre Dave Dave chat like. I think we need to talk about Dave before we talk about Dave that makes I think we need to unite definitively make a decision about who Dave is because I think that also fundamentally changes the way you view this episode of whether you do or do not depends on what role is day playing specifically. What is the relationship between Dave Hurley? Yeah you know that famous question we're is. I think this is. Who is Dave nearly coming from Hazel Rickenbacker who is Z'S WE WANNA know? We wanted to know the answer so like they've been a lot of theories about this over the years. The cards up explanation is that Hurley has an imaginary friend who he sees as a means of coping with stress and anxiety and guilt. He feels over his body image and the PTSD involved in an accident that claimed several lives. When a porch that was built for eight people collapsed under the weight of twenty three people including Hurley in Hurley. Feels like that is on him that he is the reason why that porch collapsed that deck collapsed and Dave is just the manifestation of all of that the that Hurley has hidden behind. This is like an elaborate backstory for his his eating issues. And I've said this before like a as as the plus sized individual of the two people on this podcast a lot of the issues that hurry deals with here I can relate. I did I tell the story about how we were about to podcast about. Everybody hates Hugo and before we got on the PODCAST. I was eating a secret cookie in my room that my wife didn't know about and then she opened up the door to see me eating the secret cookie and terrified. I dropped the secret. Cookie in the trash can caught with my pants down. It was mortifying absolutely mortifying so. Your boy knows what it's like to do the gritties I get it. I know it I definitely understand it and I definitely definitely feel it and I certainly feel the anxiety stuff is. We've talked about a lot on this podcast jazz it need a full episode of the imaginary friend manifestation of all that stuff does it feel like a very nuanced take on that type of material that is where the jury gets to weigh in and. I know that we'll have some feedback on the hands and the Google away and I think this is a hurley episodes. So surprise surprise it is going to be a bit of a meditation on Mental Health. And even more so than the eating issues. I think we're this. Episode is honestly strongest is does on this idea of changing about changing your behavior specifically as someone who you know only very recently sort of realize his. Not only relies has mental health issues. But the fact of like okay. I can actually change these. I don't have to live with this forever. This is not like my normal. I can create a new normal. There is a lot of power but a lot of vulnerability in making those choices. And what I really liked is how that was made in the character of Hurley. Even if you separate it from this idea of how he copes with his issues via eating there is something nice in there that you can nibble on a bit. Even though there's not many calories in it about what is it like to change who you are and the worries about becoming a new person that being said is it shrouded in the best possible way maybe not but the messaging. I think is really really interesting. And now we're like three for three in early episodes so far that really dote on a character sort of vulnerabilities inequalities into the island with and him using the island for lack of a better term is sort of like a therapist to work through those issues and to see him become the man that he will become. Which is the new man in charge? So let's let's talk about some of the possibilities running dave imaginary friend. That's the possibility that's the. That's the show's answer. But what about the possibility that Dave was real that Dave was a real person because I think one of the interesting questions about Dave is is Dave on the island? The manifestation of the smoke monster is the smoke monster leading Hurley. Here is this the smoke monster versus Hurley? And I think it's a really fun way to view the episode. I think it makes like I think that is the way to view the episode. It's most enjoyable context especially knowing the ending if NATO the butterfly and Blah Blah Blah's. This is smoke monster. It's so much fun to view Dave as the especially. If you're thinking about like the man in black's philosophy right of like well. I can't directly kill the candidates but if the candidates ended up killing themselves like that's totally fine. So when you view this episode. Especially it's a ladder Hafez. Okay this is the smoke monster not only screwing with Hurley but trying to make him believe that this is all a manifestation in his mind to the point where he's going to walk off a cliff then it's a really interesting sort of cat and mouse interplay. The weird thing is that would be going against what the creators of the show are telling us. Which is this is a manifestation. So it's this weird thing Josh. Where like the fan fiction going against the creators word is by far the more delicious theory to go after then just always at imaginary friend. Yeah well I think that the creators get to create the thing and then it becomes alive for the people who experience the thing and Your intention and its reception. Don't necessarily meet and often they do. And sometimes they don't and I think in the case of this for me watching Dave through the Lens of the insufferable. Dave is actually the very cunning smoke monster man black. It just works so much better but like we have to like kind of like get to a feeling of like being good with how. That's the smoke monster because we think that we have a certain set of rules with smoke monster so I smoke. Monster seems to mostly be able to like manifest in the form of corpses that are on the island. That tends to be the way of it. So would that mean that Dave has to have been real? It was dave like a real person and so like the way that would work. Is that Dr Brooks at Santa. Rosa actually did photoshop. Dave that really perfect two thousand four photoshop skills on a polaroid. Of course he did. I mean I think there is this other option and we've talked about this a bit with the Horse in what Kate did. Write this idea that the monster might be able to just like scana person's memories and be able to pull images from now granted. Dave is a part of Hurley's memories but in a weird way so maybe this is a bit of a deeper dig into psychology than any other candidate that the man in black is working with the fact that Dave's GonNa like mentioned the numbers for instance. I could imagine a situation where the men in black. Maybe he's intrigued by Hurley. Especially knowing he's a candidate like probes Hurley's mind and see some really crazy ass stuff and says okay. This is a guy I can work with. You know why we see Christian shepherd. Frank Duck it earlier at one point through his head I talked about the horse like this is not the first time normal that be the last that figures from person's past are going to show up in the middle of the jungle. This is just the first time that you question whether or not that thing was a real person to begin with right but Damon. Carlton have made it clear that they're they're feeling is that. Dave is a figment of the imagination. They talked about this on an episode of lost. Podcast that they did it on March first two thousand eight. It's the same podcast where the semi confirmed that. Kate's horse is a monster is the monster. These stated that day was a figment of the imagination. Slash some kind of apparition. So that's their official explanation but we actually have a really compelling source on the possibility that Dave is indeed. A man of station of the man in black and that source is none other than your friend and mine. The Great Rob Sister Nino who a decade ago interviewed on Rob has a podcast. Tara Bennett the writer of the Lost Encyclopedia and they had a conversation about the smoke monster and rules surrounding the smoke. Monster that extended into Dave territory begins with abby turnover the aforementioned abby Turano and the fact that Isabella Richard Outputs wife. Who should not have been on? The island appears as an apparition a couple of times on the island in that episode early. I believe speaks to her. Speaks speaks to her. In Basically Whoopi Goldberg's are her stuff to Richard. Alpert ghost reference again. Not Very clean today. I have showered though. So this is. This is a conversation. That's stemming from that and it gets into Dave and let's just let's listen. Let's listen what Robin Tara talked about a decade ago. All right so what so. What we're saying is that these sue somebody dies and they're the gets brought to the island or something dies on the island there. The smoke monster can show up looking like that person. Yeah correct. Yeah exactly now. Why was the smoke monster able to take the form of Richard Outburts Wife? Who was dead but did not come to the island. I know right. That's I wanted Internet okay. That's that's a really good one now. I can say you know. Some people asked me to like well. What about Hurley's imaginary friend Dave? That's an instance of because he was never corporeal it was always in. Hurley's mind that I think that that it's one of those things where he was able to manifest himself because Hurley was going to see what he wanted to see anyway and the smoke monster kind of take advantage of that. While so the drums will then bring us back out of flashback. Rha P incredible flashback to to rob lost coverage from way back in the day at the genesis of our each AP. But that's the author of the lost encyclopedia talking about Dave as a projection of the man in black. So you if you want some evidence in it's not Damon Carlton of but if you want some evidence from an authoritative source. The author of the Lost Encyclopedia is very offhandedly talking about Dave as a man in black manifestation. I I don't feel like I need permission. To View Davis the man in black. I could just choose to look at him that way. Because I think the episode is more thematically strengthened that way like whether or not it's like demand and black can pull a manifestation from your head a memory an image from your head and embody it for a period of time Or Dave is secretly liberties husband and she escaped the Santa Rosa when Dave Escape Santa Rosa and they ran off together and then Dave one a lot of money bought boat died. 'cause Liberty Lake clocked him in the back of the head because he was annoying and she buried him in the bottom of the boat and then gave the boat to desmond as a gesture of goodwill. But as a means of hiding the body and Desmond takes the boat to the island and little. Does he know that he is had a dead body? In the bowels of the ship the entire time and Dave's body is now on the island and now the man in black can connect. Oh that's Dave that's the guy that Hurley new from the mental hospital. That was photo shopped out of the picture by the dastardly. Dr Brooks let me take them on and see if I can lead. Hurry to jump off a cliff. I can live with that too so there are ways in which I could live with the logic. The team is the smoke monster. I don't really care I just really don't care like I think like A. It's you'd better that way. It's just it's a more exciting episode. And whatever logical leaps. You need to take in order to get to. Dave is the smoke monster. Take them because I really believe that. It's a better episode. When you view it that way completely otherwise it's Hurley being convinced that he's crazy when we clearly know that this is not all in his head and libby has to be the one to come out which I would say makes the latter half of the episode a little weaker is one of these things that I actually feel like an a couple of actually said this as much when they were talking about the episode. I personally feel like this is one of these episodes that actually maybe gets a little bit worse on the Rewatch. If you don't view it through that Lens if you're just viewing it as okay this Hurley's imaginary friend when you already know the twist and see how things payoff. It's not great to essentially watch like Hurley invalidate a fan theory for an entire half of an episode when we knew that wasn't true to begin with all right. So let's get into Dave. Now that we've talked about Dave. So Dave begins with Hurley and libby running on the beach and libby crushing it and Hurley. Maybe not yeah. What is it with these tales like wanting to have do exercise between her between like dead sprints or they just so used to being on the run from the others that got us are they just. They can't stop running. They know that they're always going to have to be in running condition so they gotta stay in shape. The question you asked Mike I feel it deeply and that is because we are clear. Examples of people who just don't exercise regularly. I try to every day almost every day. Yeah look at you. I'm not someone I met a cardio person so like when it comes to running. I always stray away from that as part of my workout routine so like much more a hurley than libby here. I'm never someone who acquired a runner's high while it does allow me to not be addicted to the sweet smell of success. It also means that I get no enjoyment out of running so when Libyan Hurley are just running down the beach I definitely sympathize with early. Here who is like barreled over Iraq trying to have that ecstasy flow into him the way it does when Dixon to some Dharma brand fish crackers. Do you WANNA know another secret for how best to enjoy. Dave is to time it. So that when the episode begins because it begins right away with Libyan Hurley running on the beach. You sink up everybody with me drinks on me to play as they're running on the beach. It makes that run a lot lot sweeter hurley had that Walkman I think things a lot easier right. 'cause you like us to run to and that's the other thing as well. I feel like this episode is so oddly plotted out. Especially that cliffhanger. Josh was one of our cliffhangers are are the end brand steel. We just found out Henry. Gale is indeed not who he says he is and then we go to Hurley Libby running. I already thing I will say off the top here. I'll sort of ascribed to what we said about the whole to here as well. I do wonder. In retrospect if if not outright switching plots trying to balance out the scenes between those more if this might have raised the score of the episode overall so hurry is going to be like yeah. I don't love running I probably need to You know not be in this kind of condition in order to run as well as you're running. And she's like don't worry people's metabolism's are different and he says it's not a matter of metabolism sick. Him INFECTED SICKNESS. So Libby takes immediate concern. The question is is it feelings for him is it because she's an Ao Jay and knows. He's a candidate. Is that both. Yeah I don't know yeah I think that there's there's there's a lot going on with four Hurley right now. Yeah my my personal look. This is that I think that maybe Libya sort of given instructions to. I don't know was given a list of candidates. Early was one of them. It just sorta like fell for her mark. In a way to like she was tasked with Making sure that Hurley and some other candidates remain as safe as possible and as a result she saw. What a warm person. She is and developed feelings for him. Yeah you want my grand unifying theory on on Libby. My grand unifying theory on libby is that She she comes from the future. She is somebody who is alive in the future. Time Line Hurley. When he's the new man in charge he goes and he finds Libby and libby falls in love with her way the way that libby falls in love with Hurley here. Because they're they're soulmates. Mike and she comes back to the island with him once. He's the new man in charge. And she like he has that Richard Alberton Jacobean ageless. They live a very very happy life together for hundreds of years. And then much. Like the the impetus of a show that is much modeled after lost in many ways the good place. Some people just decide like you know I'm ready to move on and her. We finally opens up turns. Just like look you know. You died once upon a time. And she's like yeah. That's because that's my destiny. I have to go back and I have to make sure that you're okay and I have to make sure all of this goes the way that you want it to it. So she goes back in time with or without Hurley's permission. The time travel screws was her brain. She gets committed to Santa Rosa. She has to escape with Dave whose real she escapes with. Dave who's been rudely photo shopped out of the picture from Dr Brooke says some sort of means of messing with his patient. And because Dr Brooks did that he doesn't squeal on he doesn't raise the alarms with Hurley to be like you were involved in breaking this guy out of a mental institution but Libby escapes as well. She's like Sarah Connor with Dave. The eight hundred and they get married and she kills him on a boat and gives the boat to Desmond and Desmond brings the boat to the island. Dave turned into the smoke. Monster and Libby continues her life to get onto the island on fifteen because she knows the plane she needs to be on to crash onto the when libby kills Dave does he gives the thumbs up as he sinks into the Osha. Yeah definitely yeah. That's my that's my grand unifying theory. All right well we dissect that how he's how do you feel about it? I mean I think again I'm GONNA go with the comes regular of all instead time traveling. Dave varying libby is not exactly the simplest solution but I admire the creativity. I like the symbolic and the brave on on Libya parts of be like. I'm walking into my death but I know what's better for Hurley's character. I mean this is just ready. She's ready she's ready. She's been alive for hundreds of years at that point. She's like this is destiny. I got a couple more months to do and some sort of massive time travel incident occurs that sends her back to you. Know the right time in history and it also sends a Dharma scientist future. Scientists Allison Janney all the way back thousands and thousands of years she had been a skeptic of all of these stories only to find out that it was real the whole time and she becomes the protector of the island and she raises. Jacob and the man in black all happens from the same future time travel incident. Do you think this is the plot of loss to do? You think it should have like flu. Powders that they should have like held hands or something so they wanna get lost the time stream. Yeah do all right. So this is what I want. Brennan Fitzpatrick. You're listening. Brennan Fitzpatrick Manning the frozen donkey wheel on the post show. Recaps twitter account posted twitter poll. And I want to tweet to read. We'll be dictate the tweet to you right now. Time TRAVELING DAVE marrying libby. That's the tweet. And then the poll is yes or no or legs are hotdogs if you prefer. Yeah so let's let's let's see we'll report back. That is a good enough answer for the Libya a long good another detail. I think it's great. I think I think it's fun. I think the thing is any time we talked about. Maybe this is the time right. Because we're going to get this and we're GonNa get a bit of live together die alone. But that's basically it. For this character this is this from an episodic perspective is the most forever going to find out about libby. Yeah Mike Hang. Onto your butts because I'm going to. I'm going to pull from the text to support time traveling Dave sources. Yeah well not really. But an interpretation of a thing all right. So he's going to say. I've been hoarding food. I've got a jungle pantry. It's got payers. Roemeling would be jealous a peanut butter crackers potato chips goldfish marshmallow bags. You name it and he says that I like the Mango Diet crashed year. I thought like this wouldn't be so bad. Lose some some weight but then all the food came here and I got rid of a lot of it but I kept some for myself undoing. The events of everybody hates Hugo which is thing that I do appreciate about this story line. Yeah I would take this episode in general a bit of character staff. I mean we're GONNA get into season one sawyer fully. Make your Richard in this episode after the Tree. Frog of it. All but yeah. This is one of those weird things that sort of does revert back and look. I understand that. From A PSYCHOLOGY PERSPECTIVE. Like working to change yourself is not exactly a straight line dips and their and their hills and valleys but it does feel a bit weird and Charlie have even make mention of like. Hey Hurley did this thing last time and it was great to have Hurley suddenly. Be like remember when I was like super charitable despite you know under every myself about it. Yeah there's also this thing going on that's sort of undoes all that character development there. It's a fine result at the end of it but like the means to get there is not particularly salacious. A A good example of lost having you know maybe some trouble filling out like the twenty two plus episode order. That's that's the thing as well as that again. Going back to the idea of the plotting of it all. I feel like we're this. You know a regular or a modern show where you can plot out the number of episodes like you follow up the end of of lockdown with like an episode dedicated to the Henry Gale stuff but to your point because they had to fill three twenty four episodes this season. We're GONNA get this and we're going to get SOS which have like small little doting on this giant bomb. That just got dropped at the end of last episode. Yeah but I mean if if it continues to run the clock on some Henry deal stuff. I'm not terribly mad about it. So she's could be like Libya's Cabrera. Alright well look if you WANNA change change and so then they just like dump the food everywhere and as a big. Emily Fox Fan Food Studies. Master Emily Fox who has spent years studying food waste. This is triggering because there's just wasting the food everywhere the actual right thing to do here is like hey. So here's all this food. You know what you need to save face like maybe do like survivor. Strategic move like Oh we found out who did the jungle or they were like. Hey there's this corner in the hat that had all this food it must have been a desmond might have had his own stash that he kept away. And here's the thing like I know that some people wrote into be like no. This is a therapeutic movement moment for Hurley. Like he had to destroy its that he wasn't tempted to go back into it. I feel like that's fine on paper. If the thing you are addicted to is not something that like people need diety society. If I was addicted to money I wouldn't like burn ten thousand dollars. I'd be like okay. Let me give away this money. Get things out of harm's way without outright destroying something that someone else might be able to enjoy. Yeah so I think just into survival situation. It's a little galling which is like what's all this obviously it doesn't matter that much because there's the Palette drop and there's tons of food here. There's Risotto Rice Russell resultant nice I just. I love that I love it. There's no rights here. I just imagine someone in the Swan Station. Spending all that time making island resort. Oh my God and Dharma. Tom Kalicki A- every second of having to eat island risotto. It takes a while you know. And you've got to be pushing the button. Everyone hundred and eight minutes. You got to really be on your game. Cooking has to be tough right especially a watched. Pot never boils but like if you have to take meticulous care like if you're making a souffle and that button is going off in the alarms blaring. Forget about it. Yeah so everybody's kind of like butting heads over who should project lead food and this is another thing as well as that like the two heads of this argument are Sawyer and Charlie and I know I have been constantly served harping on like. How has Charlie suddenly come into his normals footing in the group? Because I can imagine like Josh. We talked gawkers here that they're not like okay. The two people that are in this grouping and taking the lead here are the Guy. Hoarding all the guns and the guy who kidnapped a baby. Can we like not have them near the food at all? Yeah I think everybody has sort of just like forgotton that stuff or are there. They're in the process of moving on. It's been like a week right a weakish. I might be like three days for. It's been longer than three days as because Ben's been in the closet for a few days at this point in the closet. I think it's been. It's been a minute but no one is really Organizing this libby saying like just what you need and Sawyer makes fun of her about that like what. Cinco do trust balls afterwards. Why did they also not default to be like? Let's go get Jack. Or let's go get kate it's ultimately that libby defaults to NRT of like. Yeah let everyone do their thing. Like no no libby. You do not know these people. This is the wild there are there. That can do these types of things and and you know Discern all the supplies for everybody. Yeah the answer is because she comes from the future and she knows that this is part of like the path of like her final days on earth. Is that she She's she's aware that this piece happened so she just letting it happen the way that it's supposed to whatever happened happened. Do you think she if we're going along with your logic here. Do you think she was like constantly trying to find ways to die. No no no. I wanted to like enjoy. Every last minute that she had with Hurley. She wanted to spend her time with early as best as she could so she was like. Yeah you you do whatever you want with the food. We're not going to go keep running. Yeah it'll each other apart if he needs to it's really not gonna go for next sprint. So Hurley sees days. Nary is then in his bathrobe and Dave just like Nah head very deliberately at Hurley and Hurley pursues him and It's it's always the shoes with these smoke. Monster People like serious like like you're you're not imaginary but like you can form the shape of whatever you want to form the shape of something that has laces that keeps your shoes on. November smoke monster one shoe on one shoe off. That's poor important. A good textural contrast the temperature contrast to on the beach earliest ruminating that he has seen Dave and he's got this shoe in his hand and libby comes like who are you looking for out there. It seems like we're looking for somebody and says like I'm proud of you for not freaking out. Because you're you're you're destroy your stash but the island and provides food from the sky and you're not freaking out and that's that's very impressive and it's a it's a lead into the flashback rat Santa Rosa and we're seeing her release time in the psych ward and we are seeing Senator Kelly himself of of X. Men The first one next to he was mystique. Technically I guess. Yeah so technically I mean maybe mystique took his form here as well because Dr Brooks. I'm no expert on psychology. Obviously the smoke monster maybe made his shape shifter to it could be a thing but mystique could only take the form of mutants that have died. Is that the thing could be if you had a memory of a mutant who didn't exist can take form of that Brooks is basically like she is an I love the cutting between like Hurley and libby too early and his therapist especially his therapist and his off-island therapist here. And we get a lot of exposition here you know. He's been here for almost two months. Carmen put him in here after quote unquote the accident. This seems to be entirely obviously before the events of numbers Or even everybody hates you go because of the lottery numbers have not played yet. They're still in Leonard's melted. He plays connect four. But like Brooks has a very interesting approach to Hurley. As as a patient particularly with his assignments write down everything he liked about himself but hurley has a guy named Dave dissuading him from doing it. Saying it was a stupid idea and brooks at. This point is willing to play along with the devolution. Completely yeah or Dave's real. And he hates Dave and he's actually a sick doctor and he wants to convince he wants Hurley under his thumb for some nefarious purpose. And so he's trying to convince. Hurley that his only friend in the hospital isn't actually real and Dr Brooks is not a great therapist but is a prolific photoshop. Wait wait what if Dave is also. Dr Brooks is your imaginary friend. And he wants Dave to himself convinced. Hurley that Dave is not real. What if Dr Brooks is hurley in Dave's mutual imaginary friend? What if Dr Brooks? Who isn't real? I like that so then because like I mean nobody's interacting with him right. Hurley David. The only people who interact with them. So maybe it's the case where this whole photo thing was like. A layer on top of a layer of Hurley. Being convinced that his closest friends of the institution was not real by a guy who is not real himself. Oh my God all right so so Hurley Brooks talking and Dr. Brookes Dave is very negative influence his is most normal person here a dot Brooklyn Dot dot dot. I don't about that and we cut to the basketball court in Santa Rosa which will see a couple of times and I guess we got here. Dave scene did. Can't we can't do dave that hearing from Dave? So let's do it number one. Mike Co Dude Dude. I'm open called dribbling not drooling dribbling West. Shoot it in shoot it. High percentage shot excellent choice. Put on the game in. Go for something tells me no one will care with you. Dude Dude give up the rock fantastic. Give it to the guy who's not even in take it's Taco night dude. Let's blow this pop stan. What Brooke said you're like negative will dr what you want to hang out with me anymore. I don't know it's just getting inside your head. Men's do not lend you got much more important things to think about like what by Carter soft-shell baby chicken or shrimp sour cream or hot sauce. Yeah I guess it could not J. Taco's Amigo bike. I hate him so much. I hate him so much. My issue is hit it. I hate it. I hate it honestly. I know no offense to Evan Handler. Who you know great job on sex in the city. I love him on sex and the city. I Harry is the man I love him. I Love Him. I ship Harry and Charlotte Super Big. I feel like I feel like he was miscast here. Like I know with RAF. It's very grading. You're listening to Evan Handler. Say Dude it's like the. His mouth cannot form the syllables. No it's just a very specific performance and I do think it is specifically designed to be grading and irritating in the casting of the character and the writing of the character to be somebody who you're rooting against as he is like clearly not in Hurley's best interests but there are like some of these weird ticks. I don't love Dogo in in season six. Who's going to say? I don't like the way English tastes on my tongue. I don't like the way dude tastes are been handlers tongue. And it also wouldn't mind if he made some eye contact like he does this thing where he's like looking off camera and it's very strange and I just don't we're because he's using a lot of like surfer jargon right like the dude which may be shows that maybe this has been in. Hurley's mind for some time right. This is a character like you could argue. Maybe Hurley God his his notorious dude from this character of Dave. This is the Dave side of him but again like that does not sound like Evan Handler is used to saying and so it does sound weird coming from him. This is just a weird scene because you know. We talked about this back in numbers but I was reminded here about like man this. The the look at mental institutions from the Mid Arts perspective is not too great from a Modern Day perspective. Why are they all playing basketball in bath ropes? Yeah they don't walk around and bathrobe the entire time. Are they going to the locker room and changing into bathrobe for athletic us? Yeah Gym Clothes. Jim Bathroom you don't have Jim Bathrobe. Says the guy who just claims to work out in five years I haven't upgraded my workouts clearly if I want to get into the the athletic level of mental institution patient. I should invest in multiple bathrobes. Let me ask you a question Mike. This was important to me. Obviously you're GONNA get the SHRIMP TACO SHRIMP TACO with hot sauce. Sour cream sauce. Frank ducats shrimp parked outside of Santa Rosa. I would say hot sauce. Personally I mean it is J. Taco after all Insert the gift of the little girl. Shrugging why not both I listen. I feel like honestly Dave would have like. I don't know why Davis prompting early with these choices like he's going to go out there and be like. GimMe One. Give Him one every now. One of each one of everything man we've reference Spring Duck it twice on this podcast. Listen his voice is reverberating through our heads. Much like it did with Sawyers like you. Don't use shaping up to be a very weird platform for pod casualty. He'll come back around. Come back around. And that's what early realize those Tacos are about all gross back on the island and in the hatch. Jack is examining locks leg. He thinks it's a hairline fracture. Which is insane. I guess maybe this is the island already. Healing his legs that like a metal rod went into John Locks Lake and stood there for like a good portion of time last episode. And you got a hairline fracture from it. Also little shoutout to the famous walk about shot as we get like that rack. Focus on WLAC wiggling his little toes woes as it focuses back on him. Yep and also the wheelchair right. You're talking about the wheelchair back at camp. No that's what immediately says a punch the wheelchair wheelchair to crutches note wheelchair. I obviously am not an expert on on Flight Gear flight supply. Are there typically crutches that are put their with somebody on crutches on one five that they happen to have those there? I don't know maybe maybe they found him in the staff station. There's something that happened. Offscreen crutches from the staff like can't wait until the eight one five production of Christmas Carol. Because they've got of too bad waltz gone he would have been a great no. He's too big tab very large. Tim Berry Tall. Yeah Super Tall. Tim a lock wants to know. We gotTA talk about Henry because he could have escaped during lockdown. But he came back to help me. Why did he do that he there must be a reason like he wants to believe in Henry? Despite the fact that Henry has been docked at this point and Doc Jack. That's you know it's not for any like you know goodness out of his heart type reason. He came back because he thought historian was going to check out which is absolutely the case. You know lock is looking for a reason to believe and Jack is looking at the science and this is one of those moments. Science wins out over faith for sure absolutely especially as we're going to get into this next scene where this is by far Josh. My opinion the worse. Look we have seen from Benjamin Linus since his time on loss and that is lower than him getting shot through the shoulder with the harp owed all right. Well let's talk through. Let's listen to this is really good. It's going to be Henry and Lucia with eventually a little slice of Jack and Locke he was dead already four months ago. I was part of the search party. Henry Gale was hanging out of the basket neck broken so he was older did. Yes the NEWBURY. Tim Nafta Great Mark. Yes really should've checked his wallet before. I assumed Henry did not have any paper. On which the composer's thoughts Sweden improvise there wasn't much space for that Jennifer. Well you're right costing the Pacific isn't easy. I owe you a beer and hiking. The beaches to start the signal fire. But if you're reading this I guess I didn't make it. I'm sorry I love you. Jenny always have hallway swim yours so tell me how did have regaled write a note. His wife with Procam neck wasn't name I didn't kill you. Don't understand how did you his wife's name to interrogate him. Please just listen. I'm just how many of you are. I told you about them. You have no idea what he'll do. You mean their leader. The guy with the beard. He's no one nothing. Where are your people tommorow? You are that does this three seconds to answer my question. How many of you are the one? He'll kill me. Say I what the Hell's wrong with you what's going on. We're liar trying. Just get out of here. Jack Gotti coverage on shut up so say it was good to shoot Ben. Because he's a liar. I mean we almost saw Ben. Linus di weren't as Ben Highness would have you would have done a head. Shot Point Blake. Grain is dead end of show. Man has a true to treat a character. It's almost like the ever since Benjamin. Linus was introduced into the lost cannon. It's like all that site ever wants to do is shoot. Yeah and he finally gets his way. That's final destination ship. Well I think you know. He needs a hobby after he lost the love of his life. Like we'll find to find a new guy but I still stand by what I said before this. I think that granted there is still some manipulation going on here Ben sticking to this narrative of like I'm not but he's cornered he's corn. Yeah but I think he has a lot of on his face with a twenty dollar bill like I think he gets caught with his pants down. Right yeah how I mean how can how can you account for that. You know if he if he doesn't know that the body was buried all the way down there right like peas if he doesn't know if he hasn't checked the wallet for that stuff if he was already lazy enough for that he didn't clean up the crime scene so all of that is still of a piece of like the badness of his cover story and like not counting on the fact that sage. Roy was going to say to rob this thing so I think given that keep pivots as well as he possibly can for a man with Harpoon injury to the shoulder who has been beaten up in the face and maybe got attacked by Pantry is now tied to a wall and has been caught with his pants. Down twice right like has been caught line pretty badly twice. He does the best that he can hear but he was about to get. You know who knows about on his face but was going to bullet on his face. Yes if not Brandon Lucia. I will also say since. Now we're counting down. R.i.p analysts and libby not to episodes from now Josh paying close attention to her like the good cop bad cop relationship between and Saieed is super interesting considering that like you could argue the two sides of the same coin. They're both sort of people who do not so. Great things in line with what? Their jobs entail whether it be torturing somebody to get information or possibly mentally torturing someone to get information out of them about illegal activities and so it's such an interesting relationship between the two of them were obviously they were on opposite sides after she killed Shannon but he definitely saw something in her during collision that a couple of moments at you know what the with one of them when it comes to looking for Jack so this is a relationship. That's GONNA probably. I think this might be one of the final times. They're going to have a scene together. But I just thought that little partnership especially N Lusa stopping saieed and also sort of like being the one to sort of take care of Henry on the door in his face to indicate like yeah. I'm a good cop but I'm not that good cop. I like this little bit of season to have lost of saieed in as good cop bad cop sort of both like bad cop. Angrier cop bad cop. Maybe I don't know how work you have other. Duos a Nice Little Jack. Lock Lock John. What's going on with the great -Tario winning right of like what's going on here in Jackson got coverage on slapping the bed and frustration. I think I need your phone right now. Yeah he's just been told that he's going to be on crutches for at least a couple of weeks not exactly how it's going to play out thanks to electromagnetism. But he is. He's going to. He's going to be really frustrated about his lack of mobility for the rest of the season. Yeah over on the beach. There's actually using that saw. Mr Echo has yet to return. This is still making use of the saw as he is working on building a starbucks and I think at this moment time you're inclined to believe it's a starbucks always says what are you making the starbucks. And he doesn't say no he doesn't say no so it's like he's done it. You figured it out. Guess how did he know? The question here is because this is the sort of Echoes Church. Which is going to be like. This is an episode of full of open ended stuff. It's going GonNa be another bit of an open ended thing like I think it gets referenced in next episode. We're going to see like more flesh out in the cost of living. Echoes Final episode. But it's going to remain unfinished. Why do you think echo refuses to Tell Charlie Wi today? It's considering what he knows about. Charlie's religious history. Maybe doesn't want to get him to worked up. Doesn't want to get him to excited. He's seen what's happened to the last time he told Charlie something with Religious Connotation Charlie interpreted it and ran with it and a baby into the ocean. So maybe he just wants to like you know like slow drip Charlie back into the church scene. Yeah maybe that could be possible. I could just be echo being echo of even now. He's like broken his vow of silence. You know. He's just very cagey. General question is larger. Like is this a charlie thing or is this an echo thing and it might be used some of both meanwhile hurley's like in the woods minding the slipper he finds the fish crackers pints the Goldfish. Dharma Brandon fish crackers. Which I wonder if it was. Okay is this brand. Not Allowed lost or are they sort of poking fun at like you know when you go inside like a grocery store and you don't get fruit loops to get like generic Os you know. There's literally a division of the Dharma Initiative that makes its own food true. They make their own like store. Brand Dharma brand generic fish cracker. Which is just goldfish though. I guess they're just. They're in the the the realm of fish shaped food right between the fish biscuits and now the fish crackers specimen but these smaller fish biscuits and so he's just like pounding fish biscuits that are meant for baby polar bears. No He's depleting all the baby. Polar bears yeah. The baby polar bears in their roller skates. Eating those mangoes early sees Dave Dave's loving that Hurley is eating goldfish and says you're not here. I don't believe in you. I'm not afraid Dave Dave hurls a coconut at Hurley proving his his exist and this would be like if the scary snow shovel. Man hurled a rocket Kevin mcallister from outside the house. If if Dave can throw a coke and you would think that this probably means this smoke monster right. Smoke monster can do some physical stuff with the shoe as well. That like this milk. Monster sort of like divide himself in a certain way like the thousand and the two thousand can leave like a bit of foot behind and then like a bit of like like metal blade that he's hanging into the back of trunk behind and that breaks off and then he reabsorbed newest. But yeah either. That or like dirt. Earning himself right. He's like purposely punching itself in the stomach to expel the crumbled fish crackers from his mouth right. He's throwing coconuts at his own head. It's tough to do. I don't know exactly. I don't know if Abby Maria could do it he's toss it off the air so he runs off after deed and when he burst on the other side of the beach. It's Charlie an echo who are working on the church and the asked about the guy in the bathroom and that has been. Charlie has a really funny life no but I saw polar bear and rollerblades but the mango. And that 'cause like I didn't see that you're not really one for like joking around. This was like wait. There was a polar bear on rollerblades with a mango. Why did you not not to catch up on charges? You're no longer welcome into starbucks? It's not it's not funny. I would've loved to have seen that you think that I'm so serious that I wouldn't enjoy a forward play the mango I am a very funny man. I think it would have been great. Who's there I won't tell you I'm not gonNa tell you to later a NOCCO NOCCO knock knock. Who's there? I won't tell you until they there isn't even like the second step to Joe. No thank you. I'll tell you later. Flashback here he is Leonard letters back in playing connect for and Dave makes a again. Just I hate the line. Read on it. So great and everything. What's HE GONNA do? Call you at twenty four when he's telling when he's telling we eat some of Leonard's gram crackers instead of a piece of celery. Celery is a great snack by the way. Yeah I think so. I think it's a good conduit to really put a bunch of stuff on surprised at Hurley's eating dry celery i. This is sort of like going cold Turkey on the junk food which is not a great thing like I think. The secret to a good diet is everything in moderation. I think the the moment you sort of just turn that switch off that's when you really get those cravings back they'll again. Maybe that's why Davis convincing him to sneak some Graham crackers away from this guy who seems to be beating him at connect four so maybe. It's sort of like a tit for tat here. Yeah here comes. Docked Brooke Stock Brooks is GONNA show up. He's like hey here's your medicine. I in my notes. He's Doc Brooks. He doesn't care about you man. He's the one who's prescribing that. Crab misspelled crap as crab. Now I just liked I mean if if he said crab in Hollywood pulling it down. He wouldn't holding it under his tongue. No it's like anti-anxiety Madison. This is this is also clone as a Pam. Also I think more more conventionally referred to as Clinton I have a supply in my medicine cabinet. I'm sure you do as well Josh. It's commonly used to treat anxiety. I were maybe not so much about like seeing things up. I know that those of us that do suffer from a lot of anxiety based issues a pin something that you can always look to in. Those moments is sort of Help bring your mind down from that. Proverbial edge of the cliff. Yeah Zanex which does very very similar deal so I always like. I'm not a psychiatrist. Don't don't take my word for it but I have a psychiatrist. Who prescribed multiple might be no Dr Brooks given our theory? That's my theory. He's the mutual imaginary friend. He's the share imaginary friend of Dave Hurley. And Libby Libby would have to be roped into this as well is maybe create Dr Brooks and put it into the mind. Maybe that's her. Like mutant power. Right she sort of like scarlet which him she careers lose. Put into that. You guys heads well. If we're saying that libby comes from the future and spent centuries with Hurley on the island because like they met a for her in her time line. Let's say that she was born in like nineteen like nineteen ninety or like nineteen eighty five. And she's like actually out there in the world in two thousand and seven when Hurley gets anointed as the leader of the island and then Hurley goes out into the world to recruit Walton. He also starts a relationship with libby. Who is alive at that time and has not yet come to the island where she's GonNa go on this massive trajectory to go back in time through the island and become libby that we know on lost so in that all of that time in all that time with Hurley is the new man in charge. And Libya's queen of the island as it were and maybe she does develop some kind of superpower where she can like. Give you imaginary friends. Maybe she gave her early Dave and it's like she has to. She has to get rid of Dave as well. Yeah maybe it's like. She built up too complex of a web and so she really has to tear it down especially if she wants to get Hurley out of there you know. Maybe she's realize like oh he sucked into the narrative so I need to break apart every around. Let me pulls slowly pull out pieces of this. Jenga tower that I built up around Hurley Psyche. And try not to break him to too much. Yeah Brooks GonNa take picture say cheese. Dave says Caso because of course it does so now again. If we're just saying that Brooks you know Maybe real maybe not real do you think that he purposely took this picture to like show to Hurley later on. Yeah that's kind of a Dick thing to do is it. That's that's part of my argument. That Dr Brooks is just bad guy and the Dave is real and Brooks is taking the picture so that he could say to remember. I took this picture. He's not here Dave's not in it. A photo shopped him out. Dave is right justice for day. I can just imagine him hopping on his two thousand. Four Mac and being like like can't wait to photoshop. Out Dave and Photoshop in the background completely real Hurley doesn't take his medicine at Dev's urging revolution has gotten on the island. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA get to the worst literal twist of the episode which is how Sawyer is trying to heat his orioles a more even more offensive food waste situation. I think he breaks a cook and start over. Yeah like what? Are you doing just like throwing the cookie way? That is still edible. Sir Sorry is going to be twist off the top of the Oreo as Hurley is. GonNa come by. He's going to have a little talk with Sawyer and then that talk that worst. Literal twist of the episode is going to lead into the best fight scene in the history of lost. Let's take a listen. You got a twisted get the frosting pulling only. Break your cookie. That's what I get for not going expert in. I do for deep dish kind of looking for something get it. I'm done. Trading got enough food now Tena Mini Mart. You think you've needs a job. Well actually I was sort of hoping you'd do me a favor. Memory helped the that killed. Yeah I remember. I started a medicine where you need. It's called Clemenza Pan Wagner. What the hell's up. So he can come down or coming. You're seeing things that aren't supposed to be there was stuff you see it. Make a ball guy in a bathrobe like the guy there. Gotcha you think you off Abbott. Talk Let's talk was a matter with you when you crazy crazy a lot happening and just the the image of Hurley under the Tent Tracking Sawyer. Back into the tent like he is the Sarawak yeah bringing Landau down towards the pit is incredible. Yeah and I think even talk about in the loss on location that apparently that was like a suggestion on the set from Josh Holloway. Of like what would happen. If there's a shot me trying to crawl out and their hurley drags me grab her. It's a funny thing because that's the thing like and that's the reason why the Kwan's gawkers here but it's because like the fight at the outset is kinda funny right like Hurley doesn't even look like he's dangerously while begun Sawyer even though the story is going to sports nice bruises and cuts afterwards. It looks less menacing than for example. Like Gin beating down Michael or Sawyer beating down Jin. Maybe it's just because of the person who's doing it but it seems like if left untreated. It really would have become to borrow a fight that we like to reference often it would have been Ralphie wailing on Scott Forget. What really been a saying going on which is fine because Sawyer is terrible in this scene in so many ways. Well here's the thing. So he destroys the cookie and because he he didn't twist off right he just throws it away which is garbage move and I think one of the worst defenses Sawyer has ever committed on lost. I think it is worse than killing the tree frog is the way that Sawyer mistreats the Oreo and chooses just abandoned its corpse rather than devour it. That's frustrating to me. As an Orioles superfan the the conversation between Sawyer and Hurley is actually I think like Sawyer seems to me to be relatively concerned like genuinely four early and he makes a joke. He says like that guy over there. Gotcha but that's the only that's the only moment where he kind of crosses the line and I think like by hot take. Actually sore isn't being a huge Dick. Here it's just like bad timing. Be Regular source. That's the thing though is that he should have read the room and realized not to be regulatory. Clearly Horley is clearly unnerved like you don't screw with the guy who's saying he's seeing things by trying to say like you know you wouldn't be like Oh. I'm really feeling chilly right now and be like. Oh my God well Oh the A on like oh there's eight that's not Sawyer's way and if sawyers like worst offense here is that he's going to pull a mate you book but still give him like still be like all right. Let me go look through this thing and also what I can hook you up with. It feels like this was about to be a moment like the flight manifest to me but Hurley is rightfully unnerved and hurt we rightly in a bad spot sick of feeling like a fool and probably like he's very upset about like the body image right out of his rope right now. Sawyers Sawyer very easy definite physical punching bag who has fat shamed him a lot in the past. And that's the thing as well is S- accumulative judgment. The thing to me is that I mean early makes reference to the tree frog in this scene as much as this scene has like quote unquote action behind it. It does feel a little repetitive on the heels of that scene from one of them. But essentially we got like a similar thing right. We're Hurley dresses down Sawyer. Being like you call me all these things like please stop. And then we four episodes later Sawyer. Does it again and now Hurley beats him up about it and granted? Those were different writers for that episode. I guess they want go back to that. Beat plan unintended. But it felt they were that they were re approaching that subject again. Yeah but it's a great. It's a great scene. I really liked that scene a lot. I really love Hurley. Dragging him under the under the. I think it's a good moment for Hurley. Too much like it did during one of them because it's like Hurley standing up for himself in a way like I feel like a hurley supposed to be seen as good fun time Hurley. He's the comic relief of the show up to this point that to have him like beat the crap out of Sawyer was new moment from him Even though it may be does not show him in the best light because it's going to have a bunch of gawkers. Look at him like Oh wow he must funniest hurley was really going agro on Sawyer there yeah there's a little bit of fallout from it. We're cates with stories like he just attacked you. It looks like you got your asking Sawyer. Good Banter here refers like. Don't you have an adventure to go on? I think tim fell down a well. Like I didn't do anything like oh it's not like I. You know poked and prodded and mentally unstable died to the point of violence. No that's not me at all not old Sawyer I dunno I think is guilty of Olah and like I I think of willing to give them a little. Bit of a Pastor. Agreed agreed agree to disagree. I think Sawyer for someone whose job it is to read personalities and body language and made a big step here but Hurley. He's never done anything like this so he didn't know that he was going to be the straw. That breaks the camel's back even just being sawyer. I think that this is one of the less offensive sawyer moments. It's just very poorly. Timed agree to disagree all right so we're going to see. Hurley with with Libby. What was all that? He doesn't WanNa talk about it. He's leaving. He's going to take this humongous jug of did ECLAIR. If she found out about this should be pretty pissed off various various. So He's GonNa take this huge jug of peanut butter where he's going he's Gonna. They might not need roads where he's going but they will need protein. He's going back to the caves and then he explains who he is about to become and I pulled this quote because I just feel like we need it on. The podcast live alone. Be One of those guys. You know the crazy guys the big beard and closes naked and throws duty people. Mike who are those people I think? That's who hurley thinks. Danielle Rousseau is. Yeah that she's Daniels. This crazy guy with a big beard who has no clothes and his naked throws duty people. I mean. I think certain things apply to that right now. You wonder why he must have been really desperate vk for that hug back in numbers because like if he assumes what we think is soums of hurry probably thinks there's a little bit of stink there. Who is he talking about when he says I'm going to be one of those guys? You know those crazy guys with the big beards and no clothes who are naked and throw duty at people. Is this a pop culture reference that I'm just not picking up on this is that is that the thing we also need to think about the fact that Hurley was institutionalized? You know he was with people that might not be completely all there. There's gotta be at least a pretty good chance that either. He ran into someone like that or his piecing together several components like the best of the Santa Rosa Medical Facility. Up People doing those types of things. Yeah I it's really disappointing. That Hurley doesn't get to go off to the caves and spend a few episodes there so we don't get a future season to flashback called. Howdy doody maybe the second part of the new man in charge Hurley being like. I'm going to go off on my own for a little bit because I there's something I've always wanted to do. He spent spends a couple decades loan in the caves. He wanted to become like he promised himself you become a duty thrower any never got that opportunity and he wanted to be one of those guys. You know those crazy guys with beards and no clothes were naked through duty at people. I got to know right in down. The hatchet post show recaps dot com through series on who those people are. Because if it's if it's like a reference I missed it I don't get it I don't think it is. I think it's maybe or maybe Hurley's watching some weird stuff on the discovery channel. You know possible all right so hurry to go off on his own. He's got like this overstuffed. Backpacks was backpack resume. Pinned peanut butter jug falls out and breaks on Iraq and that is not something that would have. Yeah it's very. Who had all this the proud? It's like this plastic jug of peanut butter and there's just zero way that it would like get punctured like and ripped in half and smash all over the rocks the way that volunteered to the point of like like that peanut butter would have to be way thinner. 'cause peanut butter is a very thick substances like peanut butter jar upside down if anything not maybe the oil. But nothing's GonNa drip out of there. We know are we not fairly regarding the journey of that peanut butter bike about it? That Peter Butter has been like baking hot and the sun on an island and not just any island a time traveling electromagnetic island that this peanut butter had to be parachuted into it. Had to be like ripped across space and time to land on the island. This is a peanut butter. That has seen some shit. This is like extra smooth peanut butter. Yeah like it smoothed out by the unique properties of the island but it's atmospheric time traveling energy and just like the electromagnetism that's coursing through the islands. Ain't like that's probably going to give you a thinner. Peanut butter than typical. So then you do have the ability to like. It's more like ketchup then in terms of because that's what it was like. It seems like it's almost like if you broke a ketchup bottle. Right and like the liquid go everywhere. That's what happens to the peanut butter jar fall over this rock and the sleep. I will say it doesn't look too bad like hurley eating peanut butter awfully. We've seen at least a handful of contestants do that over the course and then some for sure. Hurley's definitely getting off the edge of extinction. I will say watching him. Just like scoop. Up Leaf falls of sloppy peanut butter after his His suggestion for his own destiny that he is currently on course or it's a bad pair of images got to start making that do now. I'll leave it there. Speaking of here's Dave and he says sorry dude. I'm here a dude's in there. Because they're GONNA get. Did they do to our? Yeah they did. Hey Dude I'm here we get. The flashback Hurley's been working on his list of things that he likes about himself including I like chicken and a rampage. Tito reference in here a little bit of shoutout to Grandpa Tito before GRANDPA died. I like chicken about you. I like that I like. I like that about him to listen. I like that. I like chicken. I loved that I would really rock bottom. Just think like well do like that. I like chicken. I like chicken. It's a good mantra these. We get a motivational poster. I liked it. I like chicken. It's like the hanging their kitten. I like that the chicken hanging on a wire by its beak. I like that you like me is what it says. This is where we find out. Why Hurley is here that he had. Ptsd from the deck collapsed. A Deck Meant for eight holding twenty three and then Hurley came out and so hurley puts that on its own shoulders and Dr Brooks to. His credit is trying to be like look. That's that was going to happen no matter what this is really great work from Garcia episode. Get sort of run the gamut but I feel like this scene in particular is a really good showcase of you know especially from Hurley's perspective Brooks at set up to this point like he hasn't really given any information to brooks but it seems like as much as Dave is pushing out against Brooks as maybe a fellow imaginary friend. Hurley has done the assignment and he seems to be opening up about the accident which is great for us because now we know more about this accident. Yeah now we know a little bit more in this is where we get the reveal. Listen leaves not your friend really pulling off that band aid brooks Dave's not even real. He's in your mind and I think that a when they took the photo. That's gotta be the moment where you you've seen fight club or you've seen the six cents. You're like okay so dave's not real so this isn't like a real huge slipper that drops but that is like the turn of the episode. And the flashback is going to continue and Dave is going to wake up early and say like I'm not a hallucination he's GonNa Smack Hurley to prove it like there's a lot of physical violence to to prove that he is real and this is when Dave says like you could go to Kinko's you can photoshop you. Just you goes into Moto shop. Do not belong in the same sentence by the way you approach someone at Kinko's and asking the photoshop something they're going to stare at you and be like okay sir. Sure you go to a Fedex Kinkos and you place yourself in front of the computer stations. When those computer stations happens to have photoshop on it so you go to Kinko's and use photoshop. You just gotTa do it yourself right. He's like this. It's two thoughts it's not an NBA. It's an aide. Then right yes exactly like come on you. Don't believe that they actually the death star. Do you like what does that have to do? With absolutely it's it's a star wars reference like that's how you know he's he's not real right because he's making saying due to making star wars references. Might I ask stopping because this is what we sort of segue into Dave trying to convince. Hurley that this all isn't real spoiler alert for another prestige show. That's popular talk about here on social re tops Josh in a post Mister robot world. Okay be very careful here. Yeah I WANNA ruin anything for anybody so if you haven't watched mister robot yet baby skip ahead thirty seconds. Sounds like Mike's GonNa talk about some Mister Robot. Very precious about not spoiling people. I would say more than three seconds because I would love to get your thoughts Josh especially on this. Viewing this episode from that. Lens because again spoiler alert for Mister robot spoiler alert for Mister Robot. Alert alert please. Skip ahead many many minutes. If you don't WanNa hear talk about Mister Robot. Numerous twist that show but one of them focuses around the one of these characters manifesting part of their mental illness in the form of another character that guides them in a certain perspective. Now obviously I don't want necessarily have you compare that to this. That's comparing apples to mangoes to leftover lasagne. But did you think that affected your view of this episode at all having viewed that series which focuses so much on that twist as a as a part of its central psychology. No I didn't even think about Mister robot connection to this until you until you brought it up. I think Mister robot does the same thing that Dave is. An episode is trying to do here but makes it much more nuanced and makes it so much more central to the core of the series like you can imagine lost without days. You cannot imagine mister robot without that equivalent moment. That is the show in so many ways in ways that like it's a Eureka in the moment and then the ways in which it is subsequently an additional Eureka Point Right So I guess they're similar in the sense that they're like they're you know on the same oil field but mister robot is Daniel Plain view. Mister ROBOT IS SHRINKING. Shrinking loss milkshake. It's drinking it up in this regard for sure all right. So let's get Outta here. We're going to escape or you enter you out. And he's going to go with him and there's a couple of pit stops along the way so as soon as they break out of the room. They're they're waltzing down. The Hall Davis the One with the sense of urgency at first but then he says this check it out. Marcus didn't finish LASAGNA. One for the road. No that's coming in two weeks for the road. This one for the road with the alternate title for for I by by my the college friends that I talk about a lot who I watched lost on the first run. We said this all the time afterwards except we. We added a dude at the end. We would often just like look at each other. Would we were in the dining room or go out for a restaurant? Go to a restaurant. We would order. Wake some leftovers or take out or something. We don't go one for the road. Dude that has that. Has this out. Sounds like seuss from gravity falls? Yeah so it is. It is followed us deep into our lives so I had to pay tribute to that by plucking this sound but also like. Do you WANNA take this lasagna. On the road you want like it's not letting also yes and we're but it's also like it's not just lasagna. That's like you know it's an extra commissary settlement did not. That's Marcus the unfinished. Someone's in your not finish this lasagna. Why don't you scrape this off the plate? You dirty dirty man like in certain contexts. Sure but like in this one. No especially as you're on the beach trying to break out of Santa Rosa. Yeah that very easily got them. Caught with sticky fingers are saucy. Fingers Works Aussie fingers. Their fingerprints all over the place. A security guard. They go to a window. Her we took a Brooks's keys earlier. Apparently apparently that was an interesting thing. As well which I guess also shows like I mean going back into a robot. Spoiler alert spoiler alert. Mister robot. Skip ahead about a minute or so one of the trademarks of that series is that Elliott and Mister robot characters especially in those first few seasons like switch. Right where like Mister Robot? Takeover and Elliot went? Remember it I thought maybe for a second. That could have been a situation here. Where since we didn't see that maybe Dave like took over in that instance for Hurley and then took the keys and was reminding early since it's clear he like he had. This Garcia has look on his face as if he didn't remember that he took the keys. Yeah I think. That's the implication that day. Dave thing I think if you're if you're reading this as the imaginary friend stuff then I think that that is yeah like they're you know much of the way that like Dave's and agitator in Hurley isn't really he's like a projection of his it. I think that that is that is what they're going for him but he does have the unless it's like a wild stallions thing. Speaking of time travel where like live if we leave the key is next to the window then go back in time and find it. Yeah that's right So he has the keys he opens the window and Dave says all you could taste. Can you taste that? That is freedom baby and then he says an additional thing about freedom tastes even better than freedom. Cheese Burger as I just hate the worst line ratings. I thought I just. I just don't like this character. I really I really. I really don't like dave cheese would free wanting a denny's ad that has similar copied. Do you know what freedom tastes like cheeseburgers. I know it's like I really don't like Burgers on Friday. It's Bryant is posted this burger tonight. Oh why don't you have Chili fries instead? That's the other thing. I Love Chilidog. So sonic sorry. No good that's no good. Dave is going to is going to start the process of leaving and this woman who is like no way man. You want me to run away and eat cheeseburgers. You don't want me to get better. You want me to eat myself to death and Dave is going tell Hurley like if you don't come with me now you'll never get out of here but Hurley decides to stay in Santa Rosa on the island. Dave is going to go ahead and try to convince Hurley that he is living inside of the ice blue of the giant mccumber. That none of this is real that the island is not real that Hurley is still stuck in Santa Rosa. And it's all in your head. It's all in her mind man. You're just you're in your own little rubber room and this is all happening. Oh those numbers that you won the lottery. It's a coincidence that the numbers are on the hatch and that they're the ones you enter in the computer. Yeah this is fun. If you're reading it as the smoke monster doing like the kind of stuff that you see him do when you see the man in black and when you knew that certain apparitions are the men in black this is exactly his Mo Yeah. This is the exact type of shit that he does exactly. That's the thing is that it's a fun thing. In retrospect it's a fun for showing the especially because Dave is bring up all these things have like her least connection to the island right from this perspective. It's Oh island is your creation. It's going to be fun when we find out that the island is going to become his later on so that does end up happening but yeah otherwise if you look at it from the Dalton way it's more so the show speaking med of textually to a theory that had been banding about at the time and swiftly saying it was not in Hurley's head because I do believe at the time that Santa Rosa was revealed back in numbers. There was sort of these saint elsewhere theory around right that this was all in Hurley's head and so they were they sort of use this episode to promptly say no. That's not it and so when you look at it. In retrospect knowing that that's not the case it's really hold up unless you go with that theorizing like we talked about. Yeah like I think we have seen. We've seen the man in black and Christian shepherd try to lead Jack off a cliff and I think that it's A. It's a similar deal here if I can if I can push you. Let's do it but also the man in black probably knowing like yeah but I know it's not gonNa work because you come back. You're you're in the nineteen seventies dude. So like whatever like if I'm ever gonNA take you down. I haven't seen that shit yet. All the leftover lund. You'RE GONNA eat but he tries to convince Hurley and it's Working Hurley. The sweet boy is buying into it also very fun in lieu of US recently. Watching the end that Dave specifically use the term will wake up when a jumping off the cliff. Yes I think that there are a few ways in which this plays actually rather nicely with the end and so it's the man in black taking the guy who is going to be the eventual Jacob to the edge of a cliff and telling him to jump off so that you can wake up and waking up is the big hallmark of the end right if the sideways reality and everything like that so that language is certainly very very evocative and Dave being the smoke monster. Obviously flying off. The cliff is just like an exciting day in an otherwise pretty mundane existence. So he doesn't mind a Monday existence. David existence hopping from chick to check. Like you says. Yeah apparently so. Come find me. I'm sure I miss you in this other life. See in another life. Borrowing Desmond's free. That's also a clear sign to me that it's the smoke monster right like borrowing phrases from other characters. Yes I know we have recurring phrases like the shore and the bad and the good people throughout loss but that feels way too coincidental to not be the smoke monster. Just sort of black is trying to get away to jump off a cliff and cross a candidate off the list. I think that's I think it's clear as day to me. Which makes it staggering as to why the creators didn't say like shore but again that's sort of their prerogative but yeah of course but I mean yeah. This is a digging from Dave as well like he really is antagonizing him. Maybe even more so than the Dave we saw in the flashbacks using Hurley's lack of weight loss at his relationship with Libby to specifically say like no wonder you look the same. No wonder this woman who'd be previously unattainable is into you. This is entirely not rail. And I mean you see the heartbreak on Garcia's face and to the point where you're right. It does drive him to nearly kill himself. Yeah Dave jumps just not. Meanwhile at the Hatch John Locke once five minutes with Henry Gale Andalucia. Who's playing a jail guard? Says I don't think that's on the program for today. I love Annan this episode off. I do lovelock's response with all to respect analysts. Say I don't care what you think. Yeah but then. He quickly realized that like she's got the keys to the kingdom right. Yeah last to try a different tack just a fun little response to like the attitude towards the towns this analysts said if you go like people don't like the and this is supporting evidence right like I don't care what you think Zia but she's going to give him the five minutes he's earned and we are going to embark on a big long talk between Henry Lockwood. Listen what's your name your real name. Keep calling me. Henry Gotten used to. Did you get caught on purpose? You and your people have been here for God knows how long and you got caught in. God doesn't know excuse me got how long we've been here John. He can't see this island any better than the rest of the world can. May I ask you a question? What possible reason could I have for putting myself through all this? Maybe your people were looking for this place this place. This place is the John Talking about. I crawled through events and I stood at your computer as the alarm beep and you know what happened. Time went all the way down to zero and then some funny read. Pictures flipped up in its place. They look like hieroglyphics. But I'm no expert. And then things got real interesting. There was a loud clunking Anda Like magnetic big magnet was really very frightening. And you know what happened? Nothing happened John. Nothing happened at all your time. Just slip back to one. Oh eight I never entered the numbers. I never pressed the button lying. I'm down lying as long as the room and just goes so like yeah. He buckles under the weight of the thoroughness of side. Jurong analysts but any still has John Locke Qua-. Oh Yeah No. It's a mixed finish for Ben Linus which still is like the lowest that he's finished on every single episode but yeah it's not completely out of the woods just yet. He's still has locked. I love it right from the get-go when Locke says what's your name and Ben. Basically says like keep calling me Henry? Because he's essentially saying like still think of me as that person who seem exactly. It's a super small gesture but it's so much fun in the face of manipulation and let's let's be candid. This is a clear manipulation on benchmark. He's lying every single one of his teeth. That has not been beaten out of him just yet between you know. I didn't press the button. God doesn't know what's going on with this island displaces. A joke like he is just completely messing with minds at this point because he knows. He's the boasts manipulate and the best chance of him. Probably being able to get him out of there stands. Michael doing a couple of episodes from now. Yeah all right so we get to the end of the episode. We're back at the edge of the cliff in who is getting ready to jump but here comes libby. Who is asking who is. Because he's been calling for Dave James. Finding an ill or something yeah was. Fishing is like gin was fishing and and saw that you were up here He doesn't speak English. So this on my head yeah. Remember that time he said have a click. Click Click Day. Yeah that wasn't real. That was also in my head So Libya's like look. You're having a panic attack. This isn't like you know me. Actually I do. I come from the future separately. We spent several centuries together. You're very confident and exciting and wonderful and lovable. Human being I went back in time and then back as imaginary friends for you. I went back in time because it was my time to move on and I knew that I had to go back in time to uphold the timeline. So I'm doing it and he's like what I'd done that is actually said but also to realize. I can't remember this. The obvious subtext of what is happening but he says like I made you up like there's no way that you would ever like me. I'm you don't know anything about me. You don't know that I'm so fat. Killed Two people you don't know about my imaginary friend you don't know that this is all inside my head and she's insulted by this She says tell me about the guy who broke his leg on the day of the crash. tell me about Donald. I can't believe we got a Donald Reference episode. Tell me about Donald Donald. I buried him and I buried a lot of people. Don't tell me that wasn't real right. And that's the thing as well as again that theory and Dave Supposition Amelie disproven by like. Oh yes hurley. Tell me about all the flashbacks. You made up for all these people on the island. All these things in the scenes in which you weren't in tell me about all the things that happened there. Oh you can't that. Don't take your solid. Cystic worldview. This all revolves around Jay. Oh yeah so. She's not happy bad and underneath. All of this is she saying like. Don't tell me that that wasn't real. Don't tell me that you made me up. It's insulting as as she's saying of this stuff there is some music that is coming in underneath it. And I WANNA I wanNA close out the sound close out the episode recap by by by getting into the sound of of Libby talking to Hurley and talking him off a cliff. You're and just think especially with a certain anniversary in mind. Does this remind you of anything? And we'll we'll carry it through the rest of the episodes you because you will. You will hear and then visualize how the episode ended. I am your real feel you through Was maybe do more time just to be sure. Go Back. Do you really. I can no change. Why don't you get a little closer together? Twitchy and some water go with that. Gosh here's Dr. All right so we obviously just have to like mix all that together but before we get to the end of it. Let's get to the end of it. All because that that that is that is the score to the end of the end the end of lost and the language. I real your real anything. That's happened to you. That's real the theme of lost the literal music theme but also the emotional story theme of lost is happening here. Yeah at the end of the soft finale. You know it is. The finale of lost is being test ballooned at the end of Dave. How insane is that? That's so strange then. Floating out like yeah. This is all real but like those are see how people respond to this and see if they could take it and then maybe a four years down the line. Well maybe all that rumors about them not knowing how to land the plane until they took that you know mythical breaker so it's really parse everything out maybe they already had some bread in place here as to how to fix our. Maybe they just stumbled into it. I think it's it's why that is strange totally. Isn't that wild? Because we're watching and talking about Dave a week after the ten year anniversary of the end where this is very fresh in our mind for the people who went back and watched it and everything like that's the end. That's the theme. That's the language that is being used between Christian Shepherd in Jack. Basically Christian doesn't softly Kiss Jack on the lips. Were in the end. That is terrible but like a very similar to that and then we cut to obviously the iconic ending of the episode is like crazy. Libby is at Santa Rosa and this is never explained economically on on lost. And that's GonNa that's GONNA lead us into the other section because we've got a lot on that the Great Ben. Behind the curtain points to an interview with digital spy between them and Damon. Carlton attribute the fact that they never resolved why Libya was in the hospital to the fact that they're timing for resolving it was in a script and Cynthia waitress was not available for it several scripts that they went awry because Cynthia did not want to. Participate is the is the quote but they also stayed in this interview that was in the institution because the death of her husband David and that although there was a more detailed plan to execute that which linked the DOTS Datsun Libya Story. The overall answer proved to be mundane Monday. Those mundane things that send you to a mental institution those bill. Thanks so I guess then it was that because obviously two episodes from now. Libya's going to die and it wasn't quick enough Toronto for them to be like. Oh Cynthia's out better killer off after this episode. Clearly they knew Libi was going to die to episodes around to the point where you and I think day by by dropping in something this provocative they get you really off balance so that when libby gets those second and third bullets. It's a real shock. And so I do think Dave is very very important ineffectively setting up that literal gut shot because like they just dropped something hugely mythological from character perspective with Libby and Hurley. And now they're killing her before they pay that off but we've seen the ways in which lost his able to cartwheel through that stuff when they're going to they're going to kill Rousseau in season four and we didn't get the Russo backstory yet. Time travel that's going to mention to that was probably intention right. Was that after and we see a little bit with live together die alone but I can imagine that. There's going to be some other stuff. Should Cynthia Watch wants to participate where they would showcase what happened to her but it did seem like she just was not very keen on or either. She wasn't keen or just like she was working on other projects in her availability. Didn't line up so as a result we get one big question right now to begin fused with the episode three weeks from now as to the character that we have been so valiantly trying to fill in here with their own fiction. Yes and Eric Davis Stein had asked us. Can you fill in the blanks with some fan fiction? What happened to libby between Santa Rosa and her meeting with Desmond and Mike? I believe that I have prevented presented my fan fiction. I've presented fan fiction. That libby comes from the future. She lives a long life with Hurley and which she comes to early in this moment at the end of Dave being very evocative of the end itself. Do not mistake coincidence for fake. Why not read it that way lost. Dippers going to explain it for you. If you need an explanation for live be there. It is is. She's time traveling. Dave Marion Livy. I'm still not sure about the day marrying aspects. I'm the least very personally. But the DAVE marrying gets Dave's body to the island so that the smoke monster could wielded. I don't know if we need that part like I appreciate. Libya's too much of a characteristic be like really. She's knocking boots can slippers with Dave. No it was a the paper marriage paper marriage. What's Green Card? Yeah Green Card to get to the island rates. Ninety Day fiance lost the district August. I'm fine to lose the when we're shopping here. You're and the here I would say. Let's scrap the marrying thing and I'm okay with it. Yeah I think it works. Why not I think. Time travel really does just answer a lot of the questions that are left hanging by loss. Look I cannot knock your ending while simultaneously saying that. I like my version of Michael naming his son after one. Difference just thinking you've found your version of that name celebrating the heck out of it sir. I think mine is a little more plausible than Walt Disney. Oh Okay Oh right. Let's rose token nuts here. No I'M GONNA throw those coconuts. Mike time travel is part of Lost Hurley. Is the new man in charge at the end of loss. Why wouldn't he be able to go off-island and meet a who is from that time and then she goes back in time knowing that like she has to in order to continue the time stream and keep everything on tracks. They're beautiful life together occurs. At least that's all ingredients that are on the show does Walt Disney have to do with loss other than ABC other than ABC this network that seeking of ABC ABC. Actually almost got rid of Dave altogether. This is from an interview in Jeff. Jensen and Damon Lindelof in Stephen King. Actually being in the mix of that conversation as well two thousand six article on E. W. A. Jeff. Jensen asked could ABC veto script of lost and Damon said. Absolutely we wrote a script last year called Dave. It plays out version of the idea that all of this is happening. In Hurley's head. The original draft was a great cause of concern. Abc felt it was advancing an idea that offered an explanation for the entire show. So while it's unclear exactly what changes were made. The end result reduced the concern. That people would leave the episode believing the answer to the show was it's all in. Hurley's head land. So what was the initial draft did not have literally libby telling Hurley? I'm real your real everything Israel. Maybe that's what the network recommend is like have to spell it out. Were for word and then maybe use those exact same words like four years down the line. Yeah and then I think that they also had to cut out because it went a little too far which is like an from the future and married in the future. Yeah I married day said you know what I know. You're very late in with the I'm real your but let's really. Let's really keep it very subtle with her being in a mental institution. I think everyone will assume she's a time traveling. Dave marrying libby all right. Let's talk a little bit more about Dave. This is from the Great Jesse Camacho. Who who loves the episode and Jesse writes in about why Jesse says Dave is in my opinion. A super underrated episode of lost. My nostalgia toward it is definitely due to how much I relate to Hurley on someone who's struggled with weight issues. My whole life primarily hoarding junk food and binging it behind closed doors preach Jesse fully frigging here that quite a lot. Yeah getting caught benching red-handed by the person I'm in love with was lash is honestly one of my worst fears. Jesse tell you it's awkward. It's awkward on a cookie in the trash. The trash I immediately went like hugged. I'm so sorry I'm sorry I'm so sorry she's like what are you. Imagine walking in four hurriedly drop a cookie into the into the trash hug you and say I'm so sorry it was awful. It was awful. I felt like three year old. It was terrible it was mortifying oh I got anyway Jesse. Continuing three year olds by the way have much sense of a much lesser. Do I think that might be true? Jesse continues making the character of Dave. A living breathing representation of her always worst tendencies and cravings really spoke to me. I also love the idea of the monster using these weaknesses and issues against Hurley. Only for him to finally start to overcome them in the end with the help of a libby. I've always felt he's issues. Were never represented well. On television. I don't even feel. They are always represented well on lost but finding a way to present it in a sort of cat and mouse mind game between Hurley and potentially smoke monster is super creative especially since Hurley eventually becomes the protector of the island. Hats off to the loss writing separate such a cool spin on an underrated issue from the Great Jesse. Camacho who again? If you've watched Jesse's work on lock and key on Netflix go do that. I owe Jesse a podcast Jesse and I are going to get together to talk about locking key at some point in the not too distant future so keep an ear out for that. And I'm sure we'll nerd out about lost as well. Lock that in and key that Ad. Yeah but great take from Jesse Daniel. Brennan writes saying if the writers knew they were killed libby. Why did they reveal? That libby is in Santa Rosa with Hurley. I think it's that thing right like I think it really gets you way off balance. Yeah for when they when they when they do kill the be. Lucy gets her. Send off episode living ever did and I think that maybe she was going to send off episode later on but they definitely in a perfect world were intending to bring up her story. Later on this is one of those cases where they had a question that they wanted answered but just due to not necessarily meeting in the middle with. The actor ended up being an unanswered question for the entirety of Lost Ben. Martell has something provocative. If Dave is the smoke monster does that mean he left behind a little bit of smoke in the form of the slipper for Hurley to carry around him? Yeah I I think that makes. Maybe that's sort of like a stuffed animal as well by leaving you a weird way. Weird mega weird networks. I kind of like well. I I think that makes sense that when we talk about like is the smoke monster. The tree frog is the smoke monster. A horse like you don't think it's completely transforming himself right like I think he's just breaking off little pieces of him so little pieces of monster more blob. You have the ability to be everywhere at once if you want to. Why not e Amorphous Blob? He's the Amorphous Blob. Other people mad about the food waste. Benji hold her. Why does early have to change by wasting all the Food Lindy Steiner Sawyer? Just throws his cookie away after it breaks but a monster somehow this way worse than what? Hurley did and I do agree with that. I do agree with that because I think they're Hurley's was therapeutic right. There's a reason behind like this is a manifestation of your addiction and you are destroying it and there's is wholly unreasonable wasteful. There's no emotional components at all. Yeah do you think maybe he got bit? I bridges because he's used to having an ample supply of everything. Yeah food comes. And he's like I can waste this stuff. I'm five all right some stuff on Ben. John Krause this episode. Is I think one of the few times that Ben is really on the ropes. He gets caught in too. Many lies might actually be scared. It's rare moment yeah. I think that he does that. He's very likely about to be shot in the face by site. In that moment I do think so. What do you make of the? I'm not a bad person line. Do you think that's like actual Ben Line? That's like Ben Line. Still trying to try a tactic to Sawyer. Because I could see that being Ben Linus legitimately speaking the truth that he thinks he's not a bad person or that he thinks he's at least has is like has a rationale behind it. You know maybe he feels like bad. People are not bad people if they have external motivation as to why. They're doing it the only thing that he tries to carry himself as though there's a method to his madness right and I think the growth on Ben eventually is going to be that he realizes that the Machiavelli and stuff. It's too far in some of the things that he's done just unforgivable. Otherwise like how do you get up in the morning? You know like everyone is learn. I wouldn't say he's the hero of narrative but I think for him. It's sort of like the end justifies. The means of. I'll do what I need to order for this outcome to happen so I think that it makes sense as to why he would not necessarily call himself a good person but he would say. I'm not a bad person. Yeah not a bad person. I committed genocide but there was a really good reason for it exactly exactly. I'm not a bad person but I kidnapped a terrified French. Teenagers newly born child at gunpoint and raised her completely. As my own never brought teenage the poor French teenager into the fold to rehabilitate her and keep her in the child together. I'm not a bad person but next season I am going to torture the boyfriend of my adopted daughter for no particularly good reason other than I don't like him very much. I'm not a bad person but I will out of spite. Send the person who is currently shacked up with the person I have crush on essentially to their death. Yeah not a bad person but I will tell that person that I have a crush on your mind. I'm just not to do. I'm not a bad person but I will prevent someone from killing themselves only to kill them myself. Yeah to strangle him myself. So he's not a bad guy he's he's done. Some bad misunderstood misunderstood Dallas services. Why is Ben? Telling John at the hatch doesn't do anything doesn't bend the importance of pushing the buttons or is he underestimating. What damage it could do by not pushing the button? I don't know I really do feel like he's just manipulating lock them. I don't think he's manipulating him. To not push the button like I feel like he feels that locks view on the button is tunnel vision. And he thinks that you know. Maybe they're they`re. The survivors are organized enough. That somebody's going to be pushing that button. No matter what I do not think he's necessarily thinks he's playing with fire in particular. What saying. Oh you shouldn't be pressing that button and possibly causing this isla to explode. Yeah I think maybe he doesn't think the island will explode. I don't know I'm GonNa talk about how much how much does he know about the incident? You know Yeah so worth worth wondering some odds and ends Speaking of poster recaps polls. We did run one last week. Mike about who gets the credit for Ben Falling from the Pantry did he legitimately fallen? Get knocked out while climbing the pantry shelves or did Ben. Knock himself out on purpose to mess with lock and the voters sided with me on this one. Mike. I'm Shenanigans. They voted Shenanigans. Seventy one percent seventy one point four percent to your your argument that it was a legitimate fall. Twenty eight point six percent mean. Look I knew I was going to get outvoted here. It was a basically me versus you thing. In which case you get the votes any day of the week so. I'm just had that works. Oh that's exciting. I mean listen you know it. I know it if it's Josh versus Mike. Their vote and Josh. Every single day. So I'm just having got twenty eight point six percent of the vote so I can just like toss out like a really really awful take and win the vote just by virtue of being me is you. Yeah I mean. Let's rewind like an hour and a half into this podcast and okay. That's fun that's Down Cervo says while Hurley only says the word Dude three times. Dave says it seventeen times and now Mike. This complicates matters. Doesn't it because we've got down cervo marking dude counter the throat the duty counter out the window though because Dave is now in the mix and we add those seventeen dave to the dude counter because Dave might be Hurley? I don't think so. I think that Dave. Why on down the hatch. Dave has to be the smoke monster. Yeah and I also think that look a. He is a separate actor playing. I know it's like it's part of Hurley. But it's still just a distinct enough of a separate character. So the point. Where spoiler alert I think you when we get to the MVP VP points. If we're talking points from Dave we're not talking points from Purley so I think from that capacity we should separate the Dave dudes from the Hurley dudes all right well before we get into the MVP VP of it. All a how about any anything to say from Jim Fells Music Analysis up obviously the big elephant in the room which is the end of it all a couple of other fun things. A lot of callback. Everybody hates Hugo. Obviously I think when Hurley reveals Libby Stash That we hear that music out. Then I believe when it comes up. A when he's talking with Libby at the very end I think comes about. When he shows the hatch to rose other fun thing there's like an motif called that's introduced because Hurley does early say when he finds Dave slipper the here it is in the flash forward when big Mike who we have not seen in quite some time confronts Hurley and then there's also seen were Jack Confronts Faraday about whether or not he was lying to them and completely separate from the gym fell stuff but I learned. Apparently this is one of the only one of two episodes of the entire show to end with a flashback. Instead of regular or a flash fell were interesting. One being the apprehension appetizer. Now wow these episodes. They are so connected. I guess Oh who would've thought this is like the daddy of Paterno David Turner related. Who knew knew not all right. Let's get to the twenty three stars. Let's get into the twenty three points rather MVP's they're all stars here. They're all stars to me except the L. VP's they're the opposite. I don't know what the opposite of stars a destroyed star a black head. I quit astronomy. So that's true. I WANNA podcasting about law so really is a trade off. Good trade good trait three. Mvp points per mike three LV people in for me to MVP for me to 'em the to LV people. Instagram Mike. Mike Launch US off. I'm going to give to out of my three to lobby. And maybe oh I'm well. Maybe it's because admittedly not gonNA see too much a i. I want to acknowledge the character as much as possible. This is the spot to give her the props for the time travel. Yeah Don for the time travel for her being able to literally talk early off the cliff for her to serve like that shoulder to cry on and for her to be able to find this relationship that she wants as well. Yeah so I think. This is Libya's by default this going to be levied strongest episodes so I think she deserves the Kudos and not the chocolate bar that Hurley kept hitting with his Stash. I ate. I don't think that this is an exceptional episode for Hurley to character necessarily for me. But I think we're at is really really great as always it is Hurley episode and kicks the ever loving snot out of Sawyer in an epic hulk out so I'm going to give a point to to Hurley here. I'm going to give him an. Mvp spot right. Yeah I agree. It's not exactly like the best look for the character considering key nearly does get tricked into killing himself. But I feel like what he's been able to do. I do feel like this is a stepping stone into who he ends up becoming at least from like him taking this leap of faith proverbially speaking with Libyan how her jet is going to affect him as a character and like I said before Garcia particularly in some of these More emotional scenes really brings it and reminds you why like people were rooting for her. To have a love. Interest is because this character is just so damn root worthy to for Libby from you one for me for Hurley. I'll give my second and final. Mvp point this week to Anna Lucia. Great Prison Guard at this moment in time. At least she will break her own roles and that will be her undoing but like she also saves Ben's life and maybe in the long haul that's a bad call but for our enjoyment lost. I'm grateful to her. You makes good. Tv and I'm going to give the other Miami point to for partner in crime here or I guess up the right instinct and trying to I'm GonNa give it to Saieed. I mean listen. He does. These were the only people to like catch Ben in that lie moon both in the last episode in this one with the twenty dollar bill like detective saieed still firing on all cylinders here and he fired another type of cylinder in that he was going to actually kill. Ben And do the right thing. We're an offer analysts. Yes I think he does. His point streak continues here in season. Two are I. I've got three VP points. And I'm giving them all day. So now here's the thing it's Dave it's not the month okay so we are because I think this. It's an amalgamation of flashback. Dave and on island Dave this is all just to Davy -ness of day and the concept of Dave. I just I don't care for it if we're assigning points to like the shrewdness of the monster good shot Nice. Try but man. I just don't love that. You had to bring David into this so I'm to I'm going to give a big fat negative three to date and look. I'm very tempted to pile on there with you in like drive him down to the Anthony Coopers and the Jason's of it all but I do feel like there are a couple of characters that might deserve a bit of scrutiny in this episode. I'M GONNA give one to Sawyer arguments that you made a bright. Do feel like he was. He was an hour. Still sign off on it because the way He Moya. This handled the cook. I mean if anything like the hills reportable hell. We're both GONNA die on. Here is the misuse of Dharma brain. Sandwich cookies awful. Just a monstrous waste and like I said you know. This is not going to be an outright negative outcome for Ben in this episode. But I'm going to document point because this is the most like out in the open. He has been the entire time. And I do WanNa talk him up as low as role little that to be like we gave them a point. In each of the episodes he appeared in so far. But this was not a great look for in this episode and so I want to sort of give him those adjustments because again I want to take advantage of all the Ben Screen Time. We get this season because it is showing down for sure. Updates on all of that. Mr Echoes still season. Two liter put it is coming up. On 'em sites got ten echoes got twelve. Mvp points incites got ten and that means as the as the career leader. Saieed is really out in front right now with nineteen points from the highway through now With Mr Recco second-place twelve points tied with Kate from the pilot through. Now that's really impressive for Mr Echo but really impressive for Mr Giora in the top. Three right now here in season two. I think you wouldn't be necessarily shocked about echo at the top. Certainly that's not a surprise excited in second place with such a close lead or such close point gap between him. An echo is maybe surprising but analysts is still in third. Wow author on medalists Andalucia through a coming out coming out with with the bronze. I gotta say I'm I'm loving analysts. Say on the ICE IS BEEN. This has been great for her. Been having a blast. She's an interesting character. I think and I'm very excited. I think she's going to. I don't know if she's going to be indexed episode. Oh no she's Gonna I'm just going to have a little bit of an appearance here But obviously we're GONNA get to two for the road which is obviously her other big episode. But I do feel like we have a away from I. Think the more Irascible Lucia that we saw in the first episodes as you said make a mistake in a couple of episodes but I feel like she's She's on a streak right now of some pretty logical practical character driven things and I'm happy about it okay. So let's get to the four point two stars. I give my score. You give your score audience average as well and I landed at a three point two for Dave which was think a little higher than I expected I would be on days but I think I think that I admire Dave as an episode more than I admire the other episodes that I've given a three point two two two seasons every everybody hates Hugo and the whole truth the whole truth. Everybody hates you and what Kate did. I gave three point. Two's I'm giving David three point two as well because while I admire more and I think it swings harder Dave really really weighs it down for me as a character like. I think that this is something that I would probably like. Give Ike a three point five three point six two. Maybe if if there is like a character that it's more pleasant to watch but it's just like so unpalatable for me and I really thought maybe that would change on the rewatch. Alas it remains what it has always been for me. So I'm giving it a three point two and I think that that is about as far as I can be for Dave so I'm GonNa go a little bit lower and let me just say as I mentioned throughout our so recap here that there are things I appreciate about this episode as someone who has been trying to change themselves as a person no matter how scary that may be. I appreciate them much Jesse. Sort of talked about in his email. Like going out those themes. That's what I really enjoy about. Hurley episodes so far is really is tackling like chaining yourself as a person whereas maybe some these other episodes focus on like you know who you always have been as a person or the things that shape you as a person and so I do appreciate that and I think that. In retrospect looking at on island stuff. It's much more palatable. But at the same time. I have to say like that's not the way the episode was originally intended. You know like I can't exactly give too much kudos to an episode that sort of accidentally Danes some more relevant from it didn't make the episode more enjoyable to watch I think so but almost incidentally so I still think that. I wish that this was an episode. That had more hatch stuff it. I'm stunned that the episode after the Big Henry Gale revealed to scenes in the Hafner waiting arguably some of the best scenes in the episode but only two scenes. It just feels like a bit. Just a weird sort of thing in terms of momentos And I get that they were trying to fill out the season all certainly sort of maybe copy and paste these comments next week we get to S. Maybe I'll but it just. It did not necessarily land with me in terms of coming off dynamite episode so I ultimately landed at a two point eight. I put abandoned at a two point nine and like brandon a little bit more. I feel like if the on island stuff. There's a lot of great interesting stuff. Particularly when it came to the Taylor finally converging the ending was a powerhouse in the Shannon stuff. Sorta like the Hurley's up here. We're like it's a bit unpalatable but it does inform the character a bit so it does sort of. I think tastes make the taste. A little bit sweeter. So it's up. Scoring is my my third least favorite episode of the season but again it's an okay scored at two point. I've scored lower season one episode. So like I. There's still things I enjoyed about Dave. And it's not as as low as lows of fireplace water adrift where you're in the ones on both exactly so Davis bottom for episode of the season anyway. Because I'm a three point two year a two point. Eight audience is a three point four. We really ran the on this. Seen some people you know are sort of in the twos and me are the famous Ben. Behind the curtain gives it a two point five even some people going highs like a four point one. I saw high threes as well. So I think Jesse's email is actually a great microcosm of like A lot of these lost episodes especially the ones that are much more character based it's really going to depend on like if you see yourself in the characters if you see yourself in what happens with these characters on the island and so I can understand why people have a lot of sympathy and heart associated with this episode. That episode was it for me but I respect the opinions of those who do have that opinion for sure absolutely agreed With that three points through the two point three point four that gives Dave three point one eight. Which is beneath what? Kate did but above abandoned so Davis in fifteenth here through eighteen episodes of season to just above abandoned adrift and Fire Plus Water. So next week. Think we'll get another entrant into that. Cluster would be my bet and that's going to be SOS. It's the Rose and Bernard episode. And I'm very curious to know how we feel about it like. Are we going to be able to religious? Appreciate what kind of like a little bit of a break and just like sort of like enjoy some time with two characters that we will not spend nearly this much time with ever again. We'll get them in in drips and drabs and they'll be like supporting players but like we're going to get and Bernard episode. The only one next week I mean there's got to be honest. I'm looking forward to. I'm very intrigued to revisit it because I remember not really liking this episode at the time because especially again giving the momentum of the Henry Gale stop because it does really feel like we talked about this with a couple episodes. This really does feel like a season one episode where like we're getting flashbacks into characters for the first time. Bernard billing. Sos signal so. We're going back to this whole idea of being rescued which maybe is a bit of a deviation from what we've been doing in season two and I think some of our callback season one had been. They've done okay so I'll be intrigued to see how this happens. And especially this sort of serving as we had the big moments in lockdown. We're going to have the big moments in two for the road. Dave and SOS are sort of like bridges in between so. I guess we'll sort of see whether it's a one two punch your weather. It serves as like a an okay episode. Pershing into all the climactic stuff. That's going to happen but I'm very excited because I rose and Bernard I knew this was a very highly anticipated episode from a lot of fans perspective because they wanted to know who the hell are rose and Bernard. How did they get there? And a bit more into that island mythos. We find that a bit more about the islands healing powers. It's restored powers and not just from locks legs in Jin sperm just. I'm just really excited to hang out with rose and Bernard Yeah. I think it'll be fun. I think it'll be fun. Cute Jack and Kate stuff idea and this is when they get caught in the net. They're going to get cotton annette. I'm looking forward to that. And the return of Michael so although Michael has been around Michael never really leaves the show when you think about it. The Island is Michael. Michael The island Michael is you. Michael Bloom stuff this week. This is really really really fun you as well. I think we got into some really crazy stuff when we open the Pandora's box that is Libya attention and just go completely wild. I'll be injury. It's much like an Oreo cookie. How do you? How do you attack twisted off to just popped the whole thing areas approaches to live? I don't enjoy hope. Nobody through this podcast away because this was a men's lead delicious. Us matter how much you make that cookie so I'm excited to look. Every episode of Loss was interesting. This was certainly an interesting one too so I'm excited to get to SOS. And I'm excited again. Especially this tale part Taylor part of season two Josh. We only have what like five episodes of season two to talk about. We're we're down the wire buddy. We're getting real close to the end of the line here on season two and that's exciting stuff because that means there's only one season left in the first book of lost as I refer to the first three seasons of the show so we're fast approaching some really wild stuff fast approaching the return of Desmond and once he's here he's really here so really really really great stuff right now and looking forward to the pitstop with rose and Bernard's that's GonNa drop in your feed June fifth item. June is busting out all over. I don't like it I don't like it at all. Time is both really slow in really fast right. Yeah I remember back. In December of twenty nine when we were like piling in all those season one enters in anticipate holidays like half a year later we are now coming round the bend on season two. Yup here we are so around the bend still doing this week. Lee that podcast drop in June fifth. Get your feedback in by the morning of June third. Listen to us on the storm. Podcast if you have not done so already. That's just a great podcast in a great piece of a really great piece of audio work from from the whole team over all again so it's not available on the feed. I believe it's just available on the storm Patriot page but it's completely available to everybody. You don't need to be a Patriot to to listen to. It should go sign up for the storm Patriot It seems like they've got really really fun. Things maybe peruse patron on for a little while might be some interesting stuff that is relevant to our interest in in the near future is just a little. Bit of a tease. So so get get excited about some some crazy shenanigans happening in our neck of the woods well for our coverage of lost here on down the hatch down the hatchet post show recaps dot com. That's the way to send your feedback in at Pusher recaps at Ron Howard at a Mike. Bloom type Mike. We've just crossed the barrier of ten years since lost has been off the air as we are approaching twenty years since another island. Drama of sorts has been on the air the twenty year anniversary of the survivor series premiere. And you've just been writing up a storm not a podcast over at parade with your behind. The scenes glimpses at the production of survivor. That's at parade dot com slash tag slash survivor. Just really amazing stuff Mike. I'm so excited that that interview series is out there in the wild having washed. You perform some of that out there on location like I'm really glad. I hope that you're happy with how it's being received. I'm very happy and thank you for the kind words I mean. Yeah this is something. That's been percolating as Josh. Said for a little bit over a gear. So I mean we talk about a lot of stuff here behind the scenes on lost on down the hatch but what some people might not know about shows like that or like a show like survivor is just how much stuff goes on behind the scenes especially a show like survivor which essentially an active set for not even just the thirty nine days where it's filming but time before and time after so in honor of the twentieth anniversary of the show that we both love and are so invested in a manner of speaking. I was able to interview people from essentially all over corners of the survivor crew. And SORTA get their stories as to how they came onto the show what they do for the show how they sort of incorporate into the result that we see on screen and as a result of this series of pieces that I like to call survivor at twenty so as just said Hutu. Parade Dot com slash tag slash survivor. At the time that this is coming out I should have A. Yeah Yeah exactly. I have four pieces release. I have to coming up after a one is a big piece on what I call the men behind the curtain in honor of lost a bid a big interviews with Jeff probst and Matt Van Wagon are the two big creative heads of the show and Jeff is obviously the host and finished things off with a really fun and sentimental piece about how the crew at loss on survivor. And I'm assuming this happened. Lost as well The family sense Josh going on set. You can definitely speak towards the community that grows from this crew of hundreds and how much that informs their work. It's palpable from the moment. You step onto that set night. I want to sort of express that as well as get some stories from people about their coolest moments onset from over the years so if you are a survivor fan and you want to get a glimpse as to what happens behind the cameras. I guarantee it is eight a lot so check it out. Parade Dot com slash tag slash survivor and again. I'm I'm schlepping. All that content at Mike Bloom type as well and Joshua also doing some separate survivor anniversary stuff as well an honor of the upcoming twentieth anniversary. Well I've got that return of the Wiggle Room with Rob Sister Nino coming up. Get Your Wand off sin for survivor Borneo edition of the one. We're going to be talking about the Premiere of survivor. Whatever you gotTa do you just want to talk about. Borneo generally get creative weird submit that to wiggle room at rob has a website dot com. That will be the way that I am marking the survivor anniversary. Which I'm happy about is the ups and downs. But I'm choosing to remember the ups and downs so I'm also choosing to remember and actively continue the downs. The hatch here cast the plural form of our podcast. The Dow Jones the downs hats. We hope you've been enjoying the downs. 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LDS Church Accused of Fraud #486

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LDS Church Accused of Fraud #486

"Every buddy hi guys well from beautiful and maybe a little foggy. Salt lake city utah. It's thank god. I made the podcast. I'm frank feldman and i'm dan beecher and coming up on the show today. Dan a delicious lawsuit. But we're going to talk about I don't know it's it's it's inexplicable one. Mr james huntsman. Brother to former utah governor jon huntsman. Junior who also was a primary candidate few cycles back for president So you guys know the name. He's he's going after the mormon church and we'll get the details later but it's delicious. It's kinda kuku bananas. it's kinda crazy. But i love it. I love it. I wish him all the luck in the world yet going nowhere. It's we'll talk about it. We'll talk about you. Know he's a he's a he's got a lot of money he could make a lot of things happen. Yeah exactly well. Dan yes you live in. Hoa situation how dare you. You have a homeowners association. Talk sing me right now. i have. Yeah it's such a such. A dachshund detail homeowners situation as well everybody. I don't know if you know this. I'm the president of my hoa. So so the the story that I was. I'm about to talk about Caught my eye some. Hoa news so down there in texas the republicans in the state legislature Are currently trying to pass a bill. That sounds like it's going to pass and it sounds like the governor will likely sign it but a bill that would reign in. Hoa's throughout texas their ability to restrict religious symbols being put on display on like front porches. in what sort of association homes right Because apparently this all got started because somebody Lived in nature way and decided they were gonna jesus up their front porch right and the hoa was like You're kind of breaking the rules. You need to remove that because you know what when you purchased your home in this community. You agreed to a certain set of rules. You wish documents it's exactly right Which by the way nobody except for apparently me reads the to see what. You're in for right right Anyway so so. The legislature has decided to overreact. And i basically just want to file this whole thing under i. I can't wait for a member of the panic temple to test the all right because like they're they're blanket allowing religious displays so i mean there are some that you know like i i actually. I'm a pretty easy going. Hoa board member and board president If i didn't mention that already that Like i don't really fucking care Like like You know like we tactically have rules against putting up signs in your window lake political signs and that kind of stuff and like who fucking cares when i care about is are. You can't make architectural changes to the exterior of what you think your home is. It's town home situation. So right right and so it's like you can't make exterior changes that are permanent. Wanna put something who fucking cares right a lot of. Hla's slippery slope ear hair. Yeah well you have the rules on the book so that if somebody is stupid you can make rain it in right But you know we have people who have like little political signs in their windows and there they face the street who cares right right anyway Care more if they were political signs that were like horrible anti gay. Or anti whatever. Like i i in my hoa. We used to have a guy who liked to fly a confederate flag. And that's that was not. Okay here's the deal. I would wait for a homeowner to complain and the notion deal with it right. But as long as there's complaints coming in no big you're not going to Not some nazi going around like there. Are hoa board members out in the world. And sorry if you're one of them Who go around and lake police their community right and i just think that that kind of behavior gives a choice of really bad name right like all we're really trying to do is to protect interest and have a nice clean community. Yeah exactly and if you wanna put a little display in your window who fucking cares. Well anyway So but i don't like this is all couched in religious terms. Apparently there are provisions in the new law that would allow for holiday decorations thirty days before and fourteen days after a certain i don't know which holiday they could possibly be talking about all of them. Can i tell you. I saw the most insane easter decorations on. Somebody's house the other day. That i have ever seen like probably at least five hundred colored plastic eggs hanging by ribbon life tree a single tree just completely engrossed engulfed in eggs. It was amazing. Where was this this stupid neighborhood but it sounds wonderful anyway Yeah but i question like so. They're talking about holiday decorations. That are supposed to be because they they were they put in the sort of the sincerely motivated religious sort of life like into law. So that it's like but like league normally. If if you have a rule that you can't put up like little a little cross on your on your porch. You're not allowing for decoration. Either right right. So you're going to allow like christmas and easter and all these other act like religious holidays. But like you're going to say no to halloween. And then what if like. You can't like leak leak. People could be coming forward with any leak leak random religious holiday. There's going to be true nor member of. Yeah there's gonna be some snarky as jew who is going to decorate for every jewish holiday of which i don't i think there are two for every day of the year like jewish holidays. They got a lot of them and they are going to go eight matter of fact a rabbi gruber. If you're listening to this. I know you're in texas. If you live in a you know that you have to do this now. Right to go fucking wild on purim decorations. Rocha sean decoration. Like every single. Jewish holiday doesn't matter how little you care about it or how disrespectful it is to the actual holiday you have to go ape shit crazy we'll seriously though satanic temple satanic temple is made for this. This is present right lake like you just need a bunch of like satanic imagery on. Somebody's porch right right and to like ten have some. Hoa board no. You can't do that seriously. Someone in texas. You have to do this. Hair up with the with the The satanic temple. Yeah hopefully you're already member of join up and then just make come up with a calendar of holidays. I don't i don't know if sds has a calendar of holidays currently. They sure that they will be very willing to and and make sure that there's one every like so so let's say you've got thirty days before and fifty for four days to clean up ya so that is every forty four days. There's a new holiday. Yeah whatever or whatever it is no. It doesn't even have to be that much because you got any way you do the math. I'm not. I'm not good at that sort of thing. Sort out. exactly. How many things you have to do and then make sure that you have constant just terrifying bafflement statue on your long do it. Yeah i love it. Oh that's great all right. Well i'm from texas. i'm to take us to colorady. Where does the name. Jack phillips ring a bell to you all know. It's a pretty common name and one that we didn't care about. Except that he was the guy who wouldn't make the The gay wedding cake sued in colorado right and then the. Us supreme court decided to up route to colorado decision based on the fact that they thought that the colorado department that had made the decision about it was sounded kind of mean. It wasn't it wasn't a real victory. The supreme court didn't actually tackle the argument of whether or not someone has to make a wedding cake for the same sex couple right. If they make wedding cakes all they did was say no. You were too mean to him. So we're we're overturning this okay. Well i think on the same day back in twenty seventeen that the the the supreme court announced that it would hear the appeal A woman named autumn scardino. Who is a trans woman. And a attorney called into his shop to request a cake. That was blue on the outside and pink on the inside in honor of her gender transition Which is i think a delightful thing to do because he what he had said was the point of him refusing. The cake was that it would be in some way honoring our what he deemed to be a religious ceremony meaning the wide hates right and and he and he had religious problem without k. Well she called his bluff because no it wasn't about that he just wanted to hate them focusing and didn't want to do nice things for people that he hated. So right yeah. She had to make a cake. He refused this whole thing. Went to the state. The state there was a whole big kerfuffle and the colorado civil rights commission decided that there was probable cause That phillips had discriminated against her. And then there was. And then there was a lawsuit and blah blah blah and then all the lawyers for the state and for phillips agreed to drop the cases under a settlement but that settlement still allowed Miss gardena to sue to pursue a personal lawsuit. Okay and she is so k that is Currently go under going through the process. But i just think that's a hilarious that i i fucking hope. Everybody trolls him in the courts for the rest of his life until he find like my god. Well dan yes. You know that nice franklin graham your names on those who you were named. Yeah exactly son of billy graham the very famous evangelist who maybe he was a pretty conservative guy but he didn't seem as awful as franklin does of the of the famous pastor is always the worst one anyway. He did something this week. That caught a lot of people by surprise Also a lot of fans of his people who follow him specifically who follow him on places like facebook he got on the facebook and posted about getting the vaccine and advocating for people to get the vaccine vaccine course for covid nineteen. He said that he'd been asked if jesus The that if jesus were physically walking on earth now would he be an advocate for vaccines and so he goes yes. My answer is yes. He would be because they protect people. They they're they're they're They're going to keep you safe from whatever exactly thank you. It's it's healing. It's yeah yeah it's a. It's a good thing. Intravenous suffering exactly. So jesus beef pro that. Yeah and so and i actually think that like he kind in new his audience a little bit And and said that the people should consult their doctor about the best plan for their own health and then that's okay like he knows his audience a little bit. Well he didn't know his audience. Audience fucking lost their goddamn talking about dead because there are a bunch of anti vaccines and on top of it. They they're they're cova deniers And so some top comments told graham things like He should do more research And one guy Chastised graham for saying that. He wants to continue living but was part of his thing. League got a shot. So i could continue living and the person says it doesn't matter how many shots you get. When you're when it's your time no vaccine will save you. God that's true. It also doesn't matter how many times you jump out of a helicopter when it's your time you're gonna die. Sure exactly. yeah and this. It's just really truly remarkable. Because this is the thing that i've been hearing a lot you know sort of Bouncing around in the media. That i pay attention to we need to have like the leaders of these communities need to start standing up and giving some good messaging and saying that they've gotten the vaccine and this is how we're going to Curb the vaccine hesitancy and everything and then you see this story and you're like oh no like this. This ship has sailed these. This thing has a mind of its own at this guy and these people aren't listening to anyone Including lake leak people that they have chosen to follow on social media because of whatever reason they they like this person. They've liked their message in the past. And then they say one thing about the covid nineteen vaccine and they just lose it well. The problem is that people don't know what their religion is anymore. Many people their religion has become cunanan's rocks news or whatever slash o. n. And so they're not that the thing. The god thing is not their religion anymore. I've seen this among mormons. It's weird mormons. Who as you know in our days growing up would never have dreamed of thinking of thought against what the prophet and his and his car would say never. If it came out of temple square it was fucking gospel. And you did it. Or apostate right. Yeah and now the mormon church says yeah you should probably get vaccinated and everybody's like fuck you. You don't know what you're talking about. Yeah yeah it's creative. They're pro current profit is a doctor. A medical doctor and people are still not listening to them. I don't know hammond roundup of Of of facebook responses to franklin graham. I don't know if you saw his thing. But a whole bunch of people saying things like but this vaccine is not proven. It is manmade and dangerous. Unlike all those other vaccines that are that that came to us from from the ground from from on high and this one did this. This one is the one that really proves my point. Which is this person said. This disturbing you are a man of god. No doubt this. Is someone talking directly to franklin graham right but who is pay but who is paying you to say this and sell out. You're too smart and no. This is not a religious question. Unbelievable unbelievable how is it not being this is. This is a good thing. This is being a good neighbor. This being a member of your community. Yeah yeah exactly. It is for all of us it is for is the least of us it is for the the con -solutely right and these people have at every step along the way through the pandemic been the most selfish People that you could imagine. Yeah right like it's always been about them them. Then the their their rights that were being trampled on which was ludicrous again with but their rights right And and they don't wanna wear a mask. I can't breathe bullshit. We all breathe. We brew jesse fucking fine. We literally all know that you can breathe you know. We know that you can breathe. Because we're wearing masks right now. We're breathing and the other thing is i. Don't wanna wear a mask is just. It's literally the most minor inconvenience co off kidding. And they're willing to do it. Nothing nothing. They have to have their christmas with their family. They have to know. We're all we're all in the same boat. We're all sacrificing. You're not missing out on something that everybody else getting to do right. Yeah like we're all missing out on family gatherings we're all missing our friends except that we're doing it and miss out running to save some lives and instead over half a million people in this country alone have died and i know that i have to walk away from it. I know that for for life to go on and for society to return to whatever fuck normal is at this point Like we have to move on. But i don't know how we do i i. I'm still wrestling with us. I know i brought it up before but like how. how how. how do we live with these people. I know it's horrible. i think. Look horrible people. I've got news for you. And here's the way i've come to. I don't want to get derailed on this. But what i've come to because i have been on a kick lately of just everybody. Forgive everybody for everything right now is to fucking hard. Life is too short and too fucking difficult right now. Go easy on yourself if you did a shitty thing. Try not to do it again. If you didn't have you went and jumped the line to get a vaccine okay fine. Forgive yourself if you didn't you know if you didn't wear a mask when you should have if you got together with family when you shouldn't have everybody just let's just take a deep breath. Let's realize that we're all pieces shit. Anyway that we're all just apes was cellphones. None of us are very good at this whole thinking thing and just breathe and move on we all. I mean you know parents who don't feel like they have a right choice to make at this point which you don't go easy on yourself. Everybody just a everybody gets a bit of a free pass right now. Even the shittiest shitheads in my mind. They were misled. They were told by people that they trusted in authority. The people who don't get a pass our people like fucking tucker carlson and rush limbaugh and and donald trump. These are the people. And you know and mitch mcconnell. Whatever these are the people who don't get a pass. But i don't blame people for trusting people who spoke with authority and lied to them. That's true and that soften it a little bit but i i will say that. I think that they were already there. Well right at this point. I don't know like i just okay. I need to walk away from way. I i just feel like that. Side of the whole political spectrum is just. They've turned into just me me me me me me me well. You know what. I'm going to caution. You against dehumanizing them too much Because they're not a monolith and you know and plus they do as right but i feel like it's it's a driving value of the political right at the moment is that it's it's a it's a incredibly self centered and selfish movement. That's all i'm saying. I'm going to give it to you. Some i'll allow it and let's Let's go onto the next story. And this one is comes to us from scotland though. None of the things that are involved are particularly scottish There is a there was a bit of a kerfuffle. The the us air force decided to build a firing range in a in a small rural area of scotland. And and kinda did kind of just did it you know. They had obviously permission they. The landowners rented the land. or whatever. and. I'm sure they got governmental permission. The people that they didn't go to talk to about it was was the Buddhist monastery that they were right next door to. Oh okay these semi ling tibetan buddhist monastery named after the first monastery in tibet ye. I don't know. I'm definitely not pronouncing that correctly located in a small southern scottish village of esque dull lem. You're totally nailed that one though. It is the oldest and largest tibetan monastery in all of europe. Wow it's actually a lovely place and as you can guess if you know literally anything about tibetan buddhism they probably value quiet which doesn't really go well with a firing range military. Oh my god. And i get the sense that this wasn't just like guys shooting rifles. I get the sense that they were like dropping bombs or something. This is the we're talking about. Anyway i see that but they just they just need to meditate harder right right like you just need a focus. If you're good at it just shouldn't notice the bombs usually fox. That's just that's m- machine gunfire. Just just chill the man. Just learn learn to meditate through it. No big deal And they opened. Apparently last june and things got a little hefty when they decided they were going to expand it they wanted to have a larger range put put in a little cabin and and wanted to To have a world long distance shooting competition onsite so that would be the monks at that point. Decided to raise a bit of a of a an objection. As did i think something. Like twenty thousand people who all signed a petition saying please no. And here's what's great. This ends in good news. The us air force went. Oops our bad. And i've decided to pull out so great. They're actually leaving excellent or rather as they put it. The air force has no future plans to utilize this training area. So that's nice. They leave them alone. Yeah they need some better zoning thing. Maybe the monks have learned a lesson. Wilsey all right. Dan yes Also over in europe sure belgium to be precise that's not the jehovah's witnesses are finding themselves in a little bit of hot water oh and have been fined to the tune of twelve thousand euro Four incitement to hatred. Oh now in the context of the jehovah's witnesses who do you think is the target of their hatred. Oh man pick somebody those. Those dudes are gonna hating everybody. But i'm going to say i mean you'd think it would be lgbtq plus people No but i'm gonna tell me no because you wouldn't have asked otherwise former jehovah's witness error is there it is there there's amer's yeah the shunning. The practice of shunning has finally gotten them into hot water and they were taken to court Some former jehovah's witnesses approached the gantt public prosecutor's office Who then sort of looked into it investigated and summoned the jehovah's witnesses for four charges which are incitement to discrimination on the basis of religious belief against a person and against a group. So that's too As well as incitement to hatred or violence against perch person and against group so there's the remaining two Louis shits about people who leave their religion because there are yeah apparently jehovah's witnesses say that ex-members should be shunned like the plague According to the lawyer In the case Peter brom leggae And he assists the x witness who started the case And according to the lawyer this the the x. witness used to sit on the jehovah's judicial committee and helped decide on exclusions until he realized it was going to far We act for example for a man whose wife is still a member and he is ignored in his own home. Yeah are woman who has never seen her father since the exclusion And really cruel about it. They're super nice. You want to just you know. Talk bible for a minute but if you decide to join up and then you decide to leave. Your family is supposed to just freeze you out completely. Yeah you don't exist you're gone. Yeah right and What's awesome here. Is that these former jehovah's witnesses Are not stopping at This decision in In belgium and they they want to take the case all the way to the european court because they want to stop the the practice throughout europe Which would be a huge wonderful change. for them but it does sort of begging interesting question. Considering the jehovah's witnesses and who they are and sort of their lack of respect for civil law yeah In general They would rather go to prison than say. I mean they're conscientious objectors. Which i actually you know. Kind of plod. I respect. I respect that but you can't be a conscientious objector like civil society. There's a difference between being a conscientious objector to war and saying i won't participate in your violence right and saying i won't participate in your goodness to other humans right but it's the context in which they object to fighting right because they don't recognize the state right like like they seem to be fine with sort of emotional violence and being horrible people. They're like it's not like they're they have some high moral standard for my opinion right. It's that it's being high that it is high moral standard. That's right. It's just the thing about not respecting the state right. And but they wanna only under Jehovah there's a difference between one or two people saying i'm willing to go to jail for this and the entire organization saying i'm willing for them to to take millions of dollars of my money and i think money really talks where where everything else might fall apart like so many things like also with the the the allegations of Abuse right yeah. And the fact that the the the i forget all the terms that the jehovah's witnesses use but their leaders will hide a abuse from the authorities right because they don't respect the state's thirty. I think all this does is make it go underground. They're just going to be a little bit more sly about it. They're gonna they're gonna coach people on how to be just an enough of a dick to make happy right to say we not break the law or they're gonna say we don't mandate that you shun right. This is your choice decision to make and then and then i. I don't see this case doing anything because it's just too hard to like to make a an organization see to its to prove that you know that that this group of people is mandating. I mean they're they're totally out in the open doing it now. But they'll right. It'll go underground like you see exactly. Well i'm going to talk a little bit about american values. Some people have them still in this country. Despite what everyone from who's listening to this from not our country might think there are some values here and the twenty twenty american values. Atlas study has has come out from p. r. I which i never did get to the bottom of what that stands for. I should probably should know Anyway this is a study of americans and they asked some questions about how many people support or object to rights protections specifically for lgbtq persons Like legal protections against discrimination. Okay so i go you play. We're gonna play some guessing games. Okay americans tone of the total number of americans. How many would you say favor. Laws that would protect lgbt. P. all the letters. I got lost in the middle of their people from discrimination in jobs housing and public accommodations. One hundred two. That is a high percentage. Oh you wanna percentage. We're importing people. We're going to interested in canada. Let's see the support. Lgbt in in in in workplace you say in jobs housing and public accommodations actually quite high. I think it's probably seventy percent. It is seventy six percent my friend. Really yeah wow even higher than i thought. Yeah that's up. I was about to say seventy to eighty. I like i pulled myself back. I was like there's no wake eighty. It's up from seventy two percent in two thousand nineteen really. Yeah which is great. It does break it down by religion. That's one of the ways that they break it down. Religiously people which i'm us are definitely the highest supporting groups. Well actually technically. We're tied our highest supporting group In feeling of protections with white mainline protestants shut the fuck up no which means although the online percent religiously unaffiliated people who are opposed to it. Which fuck you guys. Whoever they are Listening to this show. They're not listening to this show But this is the highest ones Jewish comes in hot black. Protestants are actually pretty strong. Three percent in favor for blackout. Hurry for them. Oh hispanic catholics are pretty high at eighty one percent whites. I i have to think that like there's a. There's there's a little there even if you think that. Somebody's evil for their way of life when you've experienced oppression. You kinda go. Maybe we shouldn't be too big addicts too. Well i also just like more and more. It's clear how much religious leadership is is out of touch with people that they're leading totally not across the board. I think the gels they're all just a bunch of a holes And their leadership pray lines up there probably trying to keep up with with with how bad the anyway. But we're going to go guessing game okay. Our our lowest score. no no. there's no surprise here. it belongs to white evangelical protestants. Yeah and and of course. There are the lowest score. Because they're the worst. And i want you to guess. What percentage of white evangelical protestants favor. Su nondiscrimination protections. It's going to be higher than i think. Probably so like higher than four percent. Higher five percent shocking. I would say. I'm i because you're asking the question the way that you are and everything and the whole thing seems to be higher than expected. I'm going to say it's above fifty percent. You are correct really sixty to eat. Wow sixty two percent is our lowest demographic and and yeah that's white evangelical protestants. I'm gonna take back my thing about. I think that the evangelical who get all the press so the bad ones. Yeah i mean that's very clearly the case. Yeah i need i need to rein that in. And then they have their little followers. But like i mean i. I was listening to of evangelical woman who found her way onto liberal radio. This afternoon. And she she was she was a decent human being and that was clear and she was a person of integrity. And i and that made me actually kinda go. Oh evangelical not bad horrible But it is still a really dangerous movement as a whole no matter. What gross. Wow that makes me have decent feelings towards some evangelical well. I'm sure i mean. Look if there's anything we've learned our show. It's don't worry those won't last long those positive feelings. She ate it you know. Dear dear even white evangelicals. I appre as a gay man. I appreciate the fact that you see me enough as a human being. I shouldn't be put out of my house fired. Or what was the third one Medical access or public accommodation whatever accommodations whatever that means so what. That's actually getting your fucking cake made when you go into a store not sort of public accommodate else. No they asked about the cake. Make thing oh did they. So they asked a question about if you how much people oppose based service refusals. Okay meaning do strongly favor or strongly oppose or somewhere in the middle allowing a small business owner in your state to refuse to provide service or products To gay or lesbian people if doing so violates their religious beliefs. Oh boy then things got a little bit tricky. Yeah i bet so So definitely like the coolest group in that. Respect is the jewish group jewish people twelve forty six percent strongly oppose and twenty five percent oppose And then you know. Only a total of twenty four percent strongly favor or favor the ability to refuse but it never like straw. The favoring of or strongly favouring of these of the ability to refuse service never gets above fifty percent. Jesus christ leaving even among white evangelical protestants a little tiny tiny. Bit over fifty percent well no not quite actually. That's not true but it's not over fifty percent that are that oppose it but it's under fifty percent that favorite So interesting wow you know. That's the thing that's a thing. Yeah there there is some progress in this land of ours. That's what i'm getting at. It's low and it's ugly and it's stupid but there's some progress it happens. I'm proud to write so well. No that's great news. I love it and mainline protestants for not being quite as shitty as we believed you were only mainly monessen. Jews doing great. Yeah so hurrah hispanic catholics It's funny to know who who's out there. Who's kind of not so bad. Yeah there you go all right. Well listen kids if you would like to write into us and tell us all about how you oppose baker's having to make cakes for gay people you can do so write to us at podcast at thank god. I'm atheist dot com. I am assured that by the time you do that. I will actually have access to your emails or colin. Leave us a voicemail message. The telephone number is four two four six six six eight four four to stick around. There's more show coming up. Hey dan hey dan it's been so long. Where have you been. I i was hiding. Yeah oh my god well I don't know who this is. This next person. jeff johnson. yeah okay. you're here i've got. I've finally have put like my finger. On what i what my main beef with. These prophets really is okay. right which is they. don't dress like prophets. Oh yeah. No definite lake like where. Where's the sky itchy scratchy. You know like the un the robe that's made out of something horrible and itchy right right. Where where's where's just the filth. Where's the desert on you. Or conversely some some vestments of gravitas under armour t shirt put on a big goofy hat and like several layers of heavy cotton and wool. Like put it on a little bit of effort instead of. Yeah this this this stupid. Like under armour t shirt and bad haircut. But that's what we're going to get ladies gentlemen as you hear what jeff jensen has to say. Here's what i want you to imagine because this is really what is on the screen. It's a split screen. It's a zoom call or whatever and a profit is on the right side and on the left side is forward. The bulk of the time and empty chair. The other dude left for most of the time that there's guys talking and come back right at the end and sits down and immediately starts thoughtful nodding yes dude went and got a snack during this prophesying. So that's how much like their own did your show man. Yeah anyway if their own show doesn't pay This prophecy that much attention. I guess you don't have to either. But here's what has to say anyway. I've had people email me and say you missed it. You said president trump was going to be serving back to back terms and back to back presidency but there's nothing magical january twentieth you have to realize that what's taking place in. Our nation has been a hostile takeover and just because there was a fake inauguration. And that's exactly what. it was. A fake inauguration of for six and for posture. Let them have their day in the sun. Doing what's going to take place. Basically the the the prophetic word of kim calamander standing right. Now it's the tale of two presidents and right now in america because president trump has never conceded. He never agreed to anything. He never stepped away never conceded. He basically stepped aside momentarily while things are being sorted out and he used every available option afforded him to be able to do that constitutionally through the house of representatives through the courts but listen. The court system is corrupt. The supreme court is corrupt. Corrupt judges a corrupt everything and he tried. They blocked at every every every every place they blocked him said he did not have standing in the court system. The president of the united states doesn't have standing in the court system Basically he's done all that he could do and when it was all said and done the house did not was not able to do it. He stepped aside. He never conceited. And the last defense is military so the military actually. The military is in control right now and they will. They've already made their determination it now. It's about execution now. It's about returning civil power. After after the we. The people factor of the the rightly duly elected president from this past election. A comes forward and they expose the corruption. There will be civil. Power restored to the united states and the president will be donald j trump. Watch with the lord does. But i believe that april up. I would be surprised if things don't happen by by the end of april. Now i'm talking the twenty third twenty fourth and twenty fifth which i believe are key dates. I can't they need to let this go. Well i i. I'm kind of rooting for them. To keep holding onto it. I just want to see how far because there's no way they last for years. Just take it next month on the twenty third two thousand eight hundred and twenty-fifth so happen it's just amazing. I greg lock pastor lock. Who's a guy from tennessee that i follow on twitter. And he's doofus. He said he's not recently tweeted. I still believe in donald. Trump's going to be president. It's just man it is a it is a funny thing that they do. I think they keep it up until he either You know announces that. He's not gonna run again. Which of course he's of course he's running again Or he wins again. Yeah they're going to keep. You're absolutely going to keep this up. Because i would love to see. It looks on their faces if he went on. That would be amazing if he went to prison in georgia. Yeah election tampering. I want to loop back to something though. Okay which is the corrupt courts and judges and supreme court which is like packed with trump nominee latkes. Yeah like like a third of the supreme court got there because of donald trump will bunch of them are like it is a seventy two conservative. Now yes off the six to three but still you guys need to not be alienating this court this is your court. This is as good as you're going to. Have you ever wanted in a supreme court. It's there guys like this is going to if the religious shit makes its way to the court which it's going to. You're going to get everything you want. Lake unique sucks unique to be so happy about this court. what are you doing. What corrupt courts. i mean. okay. Now now i also love the idea. Because trump didn't concede and he never he never. I got news for you dude. He doesn't need to know we don't need him to say a word. No on that's been presidents being decent the process please. Mitch doesn't mean he's not that he's still president can't just say i'm not leaving and then you just get to still be president. That's not how it works. He didn't concede he didn't he didn't that well. He got on the helicopter. He he's by. I didn't see shackles dragging him. He left guys. Yeah total over it. Oh my god well there you have it right into us and call into whisslewednesdays. This one's from john who says hi. I stand ashamed of not being a patron. But i also stand as being a pensioner with limited fixed income. We totally understand that john. This show is entirely free to you. And we are happy to provide it but all the rest of you you better pay attention to you. Need to kick in a little bit extra for the pensioners of the world All right all right enough said. Here's john goes on. I am english. But i've lived in ireland just over half of my sixty eight years. I was born and raised an atheist. And well i still emanate this. In the current episode. You mentioned quote every diocese every catholic or on. The planet is just hemorrhaging money because of scandals with pedophilia. I am sorry very sorry to have to tell you that the assets of the catholic church indeed the assets of all religions in ireland are protected under the constitution of ireland. Ono article forty four point two point six states. The property of any religious denomination or any educational institution shall not be diverted. Save for necessary works of public utility and on payment of compensation this being the highest internal law in the country. Ula rings higher prevents the courts from even hearing lawsuits against religions. What's the point. You can't get any compensation for any injury suffered including being an. I'll use the word abused though. He is more colorful phrase by the employees of religion. When you were a kid. what's happening. Is that all tax payers in ireland including non-catholics the abuse bill and being a government pay And being a government payout. The compensation is not nearly enough to go even partway to remedying the abuse There are those of us who think that the abuser should pay dearly. but that's on and that's not easy to get irish people to understand that the largest criminal child and unmarried mother abuse and killing organization in the world should be shut down. Keep up the good work john. Yeah that's that is some heavy duty stuff. That's that's called foresight constitution that is called privilege beyond belief which agents have enjoyed for millennia. Yeah let's see do we. Why don't we play the voicemail voice. Meltdown. this is from a listener who she shares a story about I've i've never been to hawaii. That might change soon because as soon as we're fully vaccinated jet plane but No listener who sharing experience about something. That's in hawaii. That's called the was it the polynesian cultural center. I've been to the pcc. Okay or i think. It's our friend. Chris who calls it the the mormon people zoo anyway. It's yeah it's it's run by the mormon church There's a long backstory there as to why they would run this And of course with it being run by the mormons it also comes with mormon rules. So here's a his voicemail. Hey how you doing. I'm james roache. morocco right now Quick story Why don't the girlfriend who wa who why had had fun. Then we went to polynesia causal center had no idea that was run by the mormon chilling out and having fun and almost any time i'm asking hey y'all they're like alcohol we don't have you have a bar here. We don't have alcohol here. This is run by the mormon. Like so later on a date off the poor campbell into when i was over there. I They they it by the prefer like a half any more information about the mormons. I said yes absolutely. I always thought of calling in the mormon faith and my name is jeff. So i gave him my friends addressed Name and Before we even got back to austin texas. They only went out to his house and knock on his door. Eight o'clock in the morning and yet understand back that late night Bartending folks so yeah let's just say he wasn't too happy just ought to share that story and your chance had and cultural fleas to it is quite an experience that love the show the missionaries for. Well you know. I feel like that is a very good use of missionary time totally. Leave me you can get them wherever you want them like literally if you go outside your front door and holler. Hey mormons you'll probably get a couple wherever you are if you you can look into the mirror and say mormonism mormonism mormonism. Three times in someone will ring. Your doorbell bloody mormon. Why not i mean send them to everybody. Send them to your boss. Just give them your bosses information when you when you don't get the raise that you deserve to good passive aggressive way did that. That doesn't do any real harm anyway. Hey elizabeth wrote into us My name is elizabeth. yeah just said that anyway I've been listening to your show for a couple months now. I was raised in a very catholic family and only recently told my family. I'm not a believer. So i was still going to church with them an up until a couple of months ago a couple of weeks before the twenty twenty election the homily was the priest literally yelling at us to vote quote catholic which heathen specified meant voting for the pro-life candidate although for the catholic cat. Exactly vote against aik catholic catholic. Yeah it doesn't make any sense. Although he didn't say names he went on and on about the candidate. That quote re represented christian ideals because of his ideas on marriage and abortion. It was really painful to sit through not just for me but for my catholic family who are conservative. But in no way trump supporters apparently the same type of homily was given by different priests at a different mass in the same church. Just wondering if you guys had heard of any other churches that were openly telling their people to vote for trump. I hope this wasn't some type of order that was given out to all the churches. Love the show stay safe and covert free. Well elizabeth i. I haven't heard anything about the catholics. You know sending out an order t to their priests. I do know lots of evangelicals. Were legally saying that if you didn't vote for donald trump you were evil and demon possessed all kinds of other things but yeah. I think a lot of times like they know the message. Oh yeah right. The it doesn't take the pope telling them you know it's true those priests new by binz catholic in name only. He's a keno. Yeah chino yeah yeah. It is shocking to me that when when presented with the choice between a a very obviously evil man and practicing catholic. These guys are like well now. The only thing i care about is abortion and and keeping gays from being happy so ridiculous got to vote for trump. Absolutely well that. That's that's the evil act there. Ask me totally anyway. Listen we we need your support kids And so many of you do support us in various ways and we're going to give you a few ways that you can support us and And showed that that that you like our show one of those ways the cheapest the free est way to go to itunes or wherever you get your podcast and to give us a little rating under review. Yeah as bruce from green did on itunes where he wrote yes franken. Dan are human beings. And i appreciate that so very service. I'm not sure how you know. Our species are not lizard people. Yeah we could be lizard people talk. You're you're going to need to check in with david about that. But as far as the rest of you know we are human beings and that is to be appreciated so please feel free to go out there under the interwebs and write a nice little blurb about us it helps Helps other people find the show. 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We actually have two new patrons this We have a new deacon robert. Thank you robert relations. You can pass the sacrament like twelve year old. And then there's a new teacher by the name of thomas and thomas set up the second. Yeah we're so like that. You have these powers now. A fourteen year old male. This important as uncle marco. Heretic likes to say when you're a mormon once boy turns twelve outranks his mother so that's a lot of fun anyway. You guys get the priesthood from us. Which is a lot nicer and isn't sexist and it's actually it has equal amount of magic so that's and then we have one more person to think we do indeed. We have our top donor dan. Eight i'm cutting you off. Because i am going to quickly throw in a sneaky. Thank you to our sneaky. Demi-god davis. I'm he's a demi god is no longer lord and savior. Now you go in and give us the lord lord savior austin woo. Dan yeah Do you enjoy good lawsuit as it depends on which end of the suit i guess. No i don't enjoy a good lawsuit at all. But i did recently Realize that if i had a lot of money might enjoy. I might hire retain lawyer just for frivolous lawsuits banks against my friends. So that'd be really nice of you. Yeah let's hope you never have a lot of money. Then yeah i mean it doesn't look like that's a i'm i'm in any dangerous. Well one mr. James huntsman of the huntsman family of utah and mormonism and whatnot. They're big they're big deal family here you yet name. That name opens every door utah early. You just whisper it and it's like a password. Yeah billionaire daddy jon. Huntsman senior And faithful mormon right. Yes it never really like established that family very very very well in sort of mormonism and there it interesting family You know jon huntsman. Junior ran for president united states after being a wildly popular governor of utah. Because even us. Yeah i think we love him yeah he was great and then I forget what his name. But one of the other brothers owned the He bought the salt lake tribune out of lake the out of like some horrible like hedge fund situation where it was being dismantled slowly over time. He bought it out of that situation and then turned it into a nonprofit organization. So that so that we have A a non mormon owned Newspaper in the city. They're just they're the kind of ober wealthy folk e kinda liked to have around a little bit is wrong. I mean jon huntsman. Senior also founded like cancer research center up at the university of utah like philanthropy. Kinda run strong in the family anyway. James huntsman decided he's he Resigned from the church. I guess a year or two ago and he is now suing the lds church for his his all his tithing back back because of. He says they've committed fraud. That they have misused the money. They've that they've used it in a way other than than than they lead the membership to believe and this goes back to another story that we talked about on the show a while back which is the crew huge investment fund and the mountain of money. The mormon church is just sitting on your got whistle blown to the irs. What was that like two years ago. Yes not like that at what was the what was the son. It's absolutely astronomical himself. Hundred billion dollars. That's what it is. Which is a larger fund. Then the harvard And it's a larger fund then the gates foundation the bill and melinda gates foundation is sitting on. Oh yeah this is an astern. i mean. Everybody knows one hundred billion dollars as an astronaut an astronomical amount of money but it is fucking ludicrous for a religious organization a church to just be sitting on this money. They've referred to as a rainy day fund right which got the best quip out of mitt romney He's he was like more like a rainy month raising the year. Anyway maybe not the best quip but it was awesome that it came out of mitt. Romney's now shockingly high amount of money and especially shockingly high when you consider how much they love to brag their. You know five or six million dollars that they give to charity every year. Whatever you know what. I mean like they talk about like you know they put it in thirty million dollars every now and then and there they will not shut up about how how much they give to charity right. And so. I kinda get where this where we're james huntsman's coming from when he says i gave you guys like more than five million dollars in tithing right well when it and you guys are just investing it. I could have invested it right. And what's important is so they take a little bit of the unused tithing money and they put it into this investment fund right. This is how i understand. I i remember it working. It was right. They put they put some in there. And then they've been building this fund and then at a certain point and this is where the whistle blower was trying to get Was wait he was really trying to expose and that would get the mormon church in trouble. If it's true. Which is they then used this money to bail out some for profit companies that the church owns like the insurance company that during the economic downturn of you know a little over a decade ago They had an insurance company that they own the let that sink in an insurance company. Their own That was having a hard time and so they used some of this money to prop them up. Also there was something about the the two billion dollar mall that they built downtown right Which also malls don't cost two billion dollars people but if you walk through this one you go. Oh this is a two billion dollar mall They apparently just dipped into the all credit card there and they weren't supposed to do and which they adamantly denied ever having done right and so i he definitely has a moral and ethical case. Here i don't know how much of a legal case. He has a legal expert on such things. But it's tricky. Because i i can't imagine this going anywhere like it seems completely hopeless to me. Just based on how. I've seen the courts act towards religion versus somebody going after religion And also like you know. You gave the money willingly. You never asked them what they were doing with it. You know what. I mean like you just said that walker l. Have all this money. But he is right that maybe they misrepresented and look a guy that has that much. Money is the kind of guy who who's lawyers could pull something crazy off. Yeah so the. The lawsuits going anywhere. My guess is though that he's not sitting on a one hundred billion dollar amount of cash. Oh no he has. A lot of money doesn't have moved no he has more money. He doesn't have mormon church money. Yeah and that's that kind of money that no one can hope to match and you imagine what would happen if he won this case. Oh my god i mean. That's the other reason he's not going to win. Because courts will be keenly aware of the precedent that will be set if anyone is able to reclaim the money that they gave away while they were being lied to by their religion because the line to get to the line for people suing the church after he wins will be forever. It's an eternity line. And i'm in it. I'm going to be second or third in that line. I want my five hundred dollars back. I didn't give him much. But i gave you know. That's that's a trip to mexico right there. I mean so yeah. My parents drilled tithe paying to me right. Like i was given an allowance and i had to pay tithing allowance right right and i think that's probably common or not unheard of right. Did you have one of those banks. One of those little piggy banks. That had the the lot for you and the slot for the lord and the slot for your to save for your mission. Oh no no. I didn't those were kinda here but I you know. I i had to have made between jobs and not you know not a ton of money growing up but i know i had five thousand dollars in the bank when i graduated from high school. Yeah you know that. I had saved and so there was at least five hundred dollars but probably more like double. That pay they probably. Oh me a thousand dollars. Yeah why not yeah. Exactly i want my thousand dollars. It's one of those things. Where i i mean. That's one of the things that is so painful. When you leave your church is realizing not just realizing oh. I was lied to this whole time. And oh their morals are not right and oh you know. 'cause mahlougi mahlougi is different than what i thought and i don't know what to believe anymore but also i gave those assholes so much of my hard earned money and they used it so badly or in the case of the mormons just decided not to use it at all. I think that is. That's one of the most painful things people go through. When they've left their religion is just how much they and it's not just money to like. We all gave so much time and so much work. Yeah and we'll and they're even worse about that now like my understanding is like the mormon membership like they take turns cleaning the chapel. They play turns being the janitor. The always have hired paid janitor. They don't do the church. Although sneaks those people they get people to volunteer to go clean the toilets down at the the ward house. My gosh let me take something i like. Even if i were a believing member the second i found out about one hundred billion dollars. They said it's your turn to clean the toilets. I would no no. It's not you can afford a janitor. No we know you can afford janitor so just pay a fucking janitor. No like there's that but then there's like the callings. I served a fucking mormon mission. Yeah which is one of the most difficult things to like really figure out our host having like left the church and you know like like i got to go live in a foreign country and i learned a foreign language and i like i had some cool experiences but they also two years of my adolescence. Yeah right that they do very important years of your life the yeah. Those are supposed to be my first two years in college right instead. You didn't get any years in college because of it didn't had to start on year three. No it's now i mean. Obviously he came back and they went to college and everything and people don't always just go to college right out of high school but like but that that was always my plan. Yeah and then somehow it got diverted to serve this mission thing. Like i was i was. I was going to go to a year of college. Before and i was being sneaky. I i knew that. If i did i would never actually gone on mission but and i think my dad knew that too and so he kind of forced the issue but anyway but so like you have these all these things that you end up giving to your religious community beyond the money and they just they just take and take and take and assess drain it out of you. Yeah i mean there's the community side of it that you can't really like the people take care of each other and the volunteerism and all that that's a good thing right absolutely but it's not like you get nothing in return but also the abusive side of religion and the and the you know all the purity culture bullshit and stuff so once you once you free yourself. I feel like they owe us a debt. Well and people like taking mormon like ward callings and feeling like they don't they don't wanna do the thing like the amount of guilt the people feel. Oh yeah right. That leads them to like you know. Serve their community. That's i don't know if that's a good thing. No right no anyway. Winning negative painful emotions that people just swallow because the lord is telling them to do it. But i say good luck james huntsman. Your let us know if there's a way we we know that you're listening james. Let us know if there's a way that we can be supportive of this endeavor. Because i am on board i will write. Write an amicus brief. I mean even if like okay. Put a dent into their massive amount of money lake. You are wasting their time. Yeah like that's one thing that your skin is waste because you're making people think And and you're making. You're you're asking a question that they don't think anyone has the right to ask unloved. Yeah so i think it's all very good thing. And i wish more people would would would do it too. Yeah yeah so We'll we'll We'll keep you. Abreast will let you know how it goes. I don't expect it to go anywhere. But i've been surprised before we'll see anyway if you think you know where it's going or if you would like to Your religion for something. Tell us about it. Podcast at thank god. I made the dot com or call. Colin leaves voicemail message. The telephone number is four two four six six six eight four four two yeah also follows on twitter go to the facebook page. Facebook dot com slash. Tgi atheist twitter at tgi. And if you want to join. The members only lounge over on facebook goto thank god. I mean theus dot com slash members. Only you have to do the whole think and then it takes you right over to To to the members of to facebook. Yeah hey thanks. So much of the rhetoric hot club for the use of their music and thanks gordon johnston for the use of his music. And thanks to all of you dear friends for tuning in we appreciate it bye bye.

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