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Based On a True Story
"jeff father" Discussed on Based On a True Story
"We have talked about it a little bit, but in episode 8, it's actually entitled Lionel, so it's named after Jeff's father. And he's trying to grapple with everything. The realization of what his son is. And he ends up blaming things on his ex-wife, the pills that she took during pregnancy with Jeff. The fact that she wasn't around much doesn't really like to focus on the fact that he wasn't around very much. And there's even a line where Jeff mentions the taxidermy and as soon as Jeff brings it up, Lionel's there with me. He immediately denies it. None of this is my fault I didn't do this. Don't blame me for this. And the impression that I got was Lionel Dahmer's really seemed he felt guilty about his son being a murderer, but he's also simultaneously trying to cast that blame off on somebody else. Is that a pretty accurate takeaway? Yeah, yeah, I think so. And I don't have children, so it's hard for me to kind of comment, but I mean, I imagine if I had kids and I had somebody, you know, a child who had done what Dahmer had done, you know, you have this sort of this horror of, you know, wanting to blame something or someone, but also feeling that guilt. Like I was absolutely having that guilt. And I mean, in terms of that whole taxidermy thing and kind of that interest and roadkill and whatever. I mean, you know, he can't deny that he encouraged that interest in it. But, you know, it's hard to know whether or not that really how much that really contributed to it. I do know that when I was in custody and he was seeing psychiatrists and they kind of proposed the idea of, well, you know, maybe it was because he was sort of doing all these strange things in this little shed that they had on the property, which is where
Thank God I'm Atheist
"jeff father" Discussed on Thank God I'm Atheist
"Oh, I am not gonna say, hey, the phrase that I really want to say right now, Davis. But I do appreciate you. I'm gonna keep saying that. All right, stick around, there is more show coming up. So Frank. Dan, I made you watch a show that I was already watching. Well, you were going, yeah, but no, no, no, wait. When I first brought it up to you, you had not watched any of it. Right, but it was on our queue. We were going to watch it. This is a Netflix documentary called keep sweet prey and obey. And it is about the FLDS, the fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, under the leadership of Warren jeffs, and it is cuckoo bananas. I tell you what, you know, you and I are pretty well informed Frank about this stuff. We live in the state where they originated where from a religion that is cut from the same cloth if wildly altered since the breakup away. But my God. Even I was shocked at certain things. Yeah. They were, they were a little kooky with how far they took things, weren't they? Were and probably still are. I mean, they're definitely, I think they've dwindled in number, but they still exist. Yeah. You and I have both separately been to short creek, which is their which used to be their stronghold town on the border of Utah and Arizona. Yes. Down in the middle of nothing, and it's an interesting place. If you drive around the town and there are two cities that make up the short crick and Utah's do say crick, not creek. The short creek area, there's Colorado city, Arizona, and what's the Utah one? He'll tell. Hilda, Utah. And if you drive around it, whoo, what you see is really big, badly built houses, frequently behind 7 foot tall, like opaque walls. Yeah. It's compound land. Yeah, well, that's where they went. And I didn't realize that there had been sort of an exodus in the early 2000s. I was more of that part of the story. Yeah, they were sort of scattered around. They stayed in northern Utah for a while. And then they decided that they needed their own place, and boy did they find it. They just took over this tiny little area. Well, I think it had already, it had always been kind of a polygamist town, right? They didn't just invent the idea of let's go to short creek, right? Right. As polygamous. It's just such a remote area. That there I'm fairly confident there had always been some polygamous presence there. But yeah, you're right. It hadn't been much of a town. It was much more just a little compound of some kind. Yeah, a couple farms, whatever. And then yeah, they had the fundamentalists had sort of just always been up in suburban Salt Lake or Salt Lake City itself. Yeah. And I had always heard that estimates of like 50, 60,000 polygamists and Salt Lake valley. Huh. And obviously that's not how many people moved down there, so there's still a lot up here. If the numbers have held, I mean, I drive around a lot, and I do see in certain parts of the valley. Obvious polygamous houses. Yeah, and you can, and also you can, you know, you go to Costco and you can you know when there's four older women all with their hair done the same way in all in dresses of a single solid color fabric. Yeah. And then, you know, 30 children running around with them. And they're clearly shopping for 1100 humans. Right. For dinner. For that night's dinner. They shop every day. It's kind of absurd. It's a lifestyle that I'm glad I'm not living, but it's fine for them. But what's not fine? Is holy shit everything? Yeah. Everything about their lives is not okay. And boy, it just shows you how when you push things to the logical extreme, it just becomes crazy. Yeah. Things just go nuts. I highly recommend this documentary. It is great. It's well done. And each episode is what a four parter for four episodes. And each episode just, you don't think there's room to ratchet it up further. Yeah. Well, they do. It just gets, but I mean, but the big things that we're talking about. So things that we knew about were, the giving away of underaged girls to overaged men. Yeah. We're talking about like, you know, a 14 year old girl being given in marriage to a 50 something year old man, or older, like the story of the one woman in the film, who was married to ruling jeffs, Warren jeffs. Father. In his final years of his life, and he was like in his 80s or something. So gross. And they go into detail of wedding night and it's not cool. Like super gross. But she was with and it's interesting how they talk about the times when ruling jeffs was still in charge. And those were sort of the good old days. Right? Yeah, his son made it worse. How is this possible? Literally 14 year olds. Well, and there are also stories that people, and this show mentions it, but didn't focus on it much, they would kick young men out of the community. Yeah. I remember. For anything. And they kicked them out when their teens, they have no education, exactly zero education, they do not know how any of the rest of the world works. They know they have no money, but usually no construction. So they know how to build things. They know how to build bad looking homes. But almost no skills almost they have nothing and they are just thrown ejected from the only community they've ever been allowed to know. Yeah. Into the insular community. Yeah. No TV, they don't know what the rest of the world looks or smells like. Yeah. And the reason is because there ain't enough girls to go around. Yeah. Of course they're not, yeah. There's a math problem when every man wants 5 women. Yeah. And so, and so there's, but the whole cruel ejecting of them. That was a worn Jeff's thing. In prior times, they just sort of allowed that to sort of sort itself out. Right. Still not cool. You know, but now the thing that I thought was bizarre while watching it for me was, you know, I mean, this is obviously very foreign to our religious experience even though it's an offshoot of mormonism. But at the same time, very like I understood it. I did what was going on. And it's not just because of exposure to like the news and having some awareness of a lot of these incidents and how they were being reported at the time. No. It literally there's something very Mormon..
Phil in the Blanks
"jeff father" Discussed on Phil in the Blanks
"They have been brainwashed. They have been so controlled that they don't have capacity to really make an anchored logical rational decision because they've had reality distorted for them to the point that they're dealing with such distorted filter that they can't make an informed rational decision but yet that's that's very difficult to prove because they'll fight to the death that they're their of their own free will and it's where they want to be because that's what they've been indoctrinated to do and that's when the love bombing starts all over again if they start getting challenge subpoenas family members come then all of a sudden they get all loved up again. Well i think the first amendment is not at suicide act so people are free to believe whatever they want but they may not do whatever they wish the name of those leaks screw yup. Lds that we've been talking about. They existed for hundred years. Rule in jeff's warren jeffs father was very authoritarian leader. And i would say. He was a cult leader in my opinion but he did not go to the extremes that warren jeffs he did not rape charges in the way that were ingested and so eventually warren jeffs behavior caught up with him and many of these cult leader will say as soon as the authorities. Investigate them are accusing me. And i don't think it's persecution them accountable accountable for their behavior. And i think that these children and these young people who are in these groups and raised in these groups from their earliest memory They don't know that anything else really exists and they are a dare indoctrinated to have unreasonable fear. It's as you pointed out about the outside world for example they're told if they go against the leader or boeing and scott because whatever the leader says is what odd says and therefore you are rejecting dot. You reject the leader and they also Basically will will feel that if they they go their own way that internal judgment and this is a a polygamist teaching of the f. Lvs they will be a suspended in darkness alone for eternity now. Imagine how chilling that is to a child growing up and accepting that of believing and so these these young people they feel. They have no alternative except to obey the leader and a lot of times. We look and we don't understand what they're thinking what they're going through how they've been indoctrinated and and i think the abuse that went on in many of these polygamous groups for for decades was just horrific fat. Yeah it seems to me that one of the best red flags we can throw up for. People is what you said about if you're there even the first night if you can't ask questions if you can't challenge the authoritarianism of the leadership without being criticized and ostracized you're in the wrong place yet. Because if you say hey listen. I got a question here. I read something on the internet that says. Abc in d-. What else say about that. And if they start yelling persecution and contamination and toxic blah blah blah blah blah. If they can't have a discussion about that and you don't have the right to question. Why are we doing this that or the other than your in wrong place and you need to get the hell out right now. It's the totalitarianism. It's the group. Think one way that should be a red flag if you're in an organization that doesn't allow for individuality or questions that should be a big red flag. Well and the group should be tolerant of questions because if it's a good organization and the overwhelming majority of churches and places of worship in the united states are very positive They should be open to scrutiny. They should be transparent agent. Be willing to answer questions. Which typically is is the posture of of leaders of churches license at worship a across the us. And the other thing i would say is there should be a legitimate reason to we as pumped to a leader in. I say look a new job in a new place. And i'm going to leave a church or this organization or or club or whatever and i'm going to relocate. I won't be able to come here anymore. And the group and the leader telling me out and get terrible thing. There's no legitimate reason to lee added a big red flag. And if everyone who has ever left is characterized in a derogatory demeaning way and and again what they're saying is there's no legitimate reason the leave and there's this we'd.
KFI AM 640
"jeff father" Discussed on KFI AM 640
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"jeff father" Discussed on Woman's Hour
"Know if you need if you feel frightening lead drive around public. You're clearly up to no good waiver of miserable country own to the theocracy not can imagine what are those like under the theocracy. You know your grandparents were afraid to kiss. It was in recently saw an article from that newspaper. Nineteen thirty eight glaswegian girl gets sentenced to a month in jail. For kissing a boy he gets twenty to shillings. She get still get the country or she's going to jail for a month so you know you got a month in jail if you're a woman for kissing a boy. Nineteen thirty eight just when my parents were born the could see the people were miserable. Your grandparents your your parents. The theocracy didn't bring any joy and liberty squished sexuality of the irish people perverted. Made us believe something dirty and wrong. The very essence of life you well. I think you know very aware that we're talking on women's. I think it was very striking. That i believe you died was was either second man to get custody of his children in usa. Nineteen seventy second nine in irish history given custody of his children and he was only given custody as as a result of the barak abused myself. My siblings had experienced. But jeff fathers had no rights. When i was growing up. They didn't even have guardianship with their children. I might also mentioned that women. It was legal to rape your wife in ireland up until today to something. There was no such thing as rape within marriage. It's very weird country. An undefeated marriage broke up the woman if she decided demand welcome. Seeing the kids wasn't ready to hold to do budget you know the courts didn't give a damn about father saved day very much underestimated him. What children need their fathers and in terms of you having the strength that you have and the decisions that you've made i want to come onto a few of them especially at the beginning of your your singing..
Welcome with Karim Kanji
"jeff father" Discussed on Welcome with Karim Kanji
"Three jays headlining the tour. For the three days we could have been opening in for gene. That's funny was there. You guys were close to detroit to motown any influence in your Were you've been listening to at that. Time is so as a young kid. we were inundated Being from lasalle which is just a small community. Where i live for. I am right now. small community outside of windsor and it was very small back then But detroit is you know rock and roll city like kiss really nailed it when they were talking about detroit rock city because when we were growing up there was literally four. Q one of seven's in in detroit and it was just. It was everything. We all carry these little cards that standard that that said on it which was detroit rockers against all bisco and it was from radio station and they literally burn disco records in detroit tigers stadium. I don't know if you remember that but if you can look it up and you'll see it. Oh that was elected to go to a ball game. They did that was. Yeah yeah it was crazy. So i mean we grew up the top. Five hundred to one thousand rock songs ever right. So you're zeppelin's your pink. Floyd's your stones all of that. Once we got to high school mind you. They had a very good Public radio station. Wd et and that's where we really started to get into things that had more melodies. I mean we loved our zeppelin because the acoustic meets the electric the beatles. Of course things like that but it. It just lacked a lot of melody with the other types of band. So i don't want to throw anyone under the bus but that that classic rocker what we call classic rock now just didn't have enough. I guess i can say now Melody or or interesting. Vocalise ations type of melody. You know what i mean whereas the new ways of it was. It was very theatrical. It was very. I mean you could go. I mean take your pick and go from you. Know dr stuff flaked suzanne the band cheeser cure to lighter. Fluffier stuff like back. Not even lighter and fluffier. It's you know like your furs in your your your body man and water boys kinda yes. Sure yeah the water. It's much more melodic. That's kind of where where we kind of ended up as a kid as kids in high school. our Our sets that we were trying to sell to these dances other high schools literally went from like led zeppelin to the jam to the who to the people didn't know there so and so the music of the suspects at the time did reflect. What you guys are listening to know we were. We were primarily beatles more. Poppy rock stuff like journey things like that. I was literally in grades. Seven jefferson grades six out. Yeah so it was we were. We were quite quite young but I believe jeff's father in..
Welcome To The Music
"jeff father" Discussed on Welcome To The Music
"Three jays headlining the tour. For the three days we could have been opening in for gene. That's funny was there. You guys were close to detroit to motown any influence in your Were you've been listening to at that. Time is so as a young kid. we were inundated Being from lasalle which is just a small community. Where i live for. I am right now. small community. Outside of windsor. It was very small back then But detroit is you know rock and roll city like kiss really nailed it when they were talking about detroit rock city because when we were growing up there was literally four. Q one of seven's in in detroit and it was just. It was everything. We all carry these little cards that standard that that said on it which was detroit rockers against all bisco and it was from radio station and they literally burn disco records in detroit tigers stadium. I don't know if you remember that but if you can look it up and you'll see it. Oh that was elected to go to a ball game. They did that was. Yeah yeah it was crazy. So i mean we grew up the top. Five hundred to one thousand rock songs ever right. So you're zeppelin's your pink. Floyd's your stones all of that. Once we got to high school mind you. They had a very good Public radio station. Wd et and that's where we really started to get into things that had more melody. We loved our zeppelin because the acoustic meets the electric the beatles. Of course things like that but it. It just lacked a lot of melody with the other types of band. So i don't want to throw anyone under the bus but that that classic rocker what we call classic rock now just didn't have enough. I guess i can say now Melody or or interesting. Vocalise ations type of melody. You know what i mean whereas the new ways of it was. It was very theatrical. It was very. I mean you could go. I mean take your pick and go from you. Know dr stuff flaked suzanne the band cheeser cure to lighter. Fluffier stuff like back. Not even lighter and fluffier. It's you know like your furs in your your your body man and water boys kinda yes. Sure yeah the water. It's much more melodic. So that's kind of where where we kind of ended up as a kid as kids in high school. Our Our sets that we were trying to sell to these dances and other high schools literally went from like led zeppelin to the jam to the who to the people didn't know there so and so the music of the suspects at the time did reflect what you guys are listening to know we were. We were primarily beatles more. Poppy rock stuff like journey things like that. I was literally in grades. Seven jefferson grades. Six out yeah. So it was we were. We were quite quite young I believe jeff's father in..