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Episode 37 - A chat with Jeff Belanger of the New England Legends Podcast

The Ordinary, Extraordinary Cemetery

48:14 min | 3 months ago

Episode 37 - A chat with Jeff Belanger of the New England Legends Podcast

"Welcome to the ordinary extraordinary cemetery. Where every death at a life and every life had story. My name is jenny johnson. Oh and i'm diane hartshorn and this week we have an extra special guest. Jeff belanger from the new england legends. Podcast at he is also. He's written many books about the paranormal and also his most recent book has nothing to do with the paranormal and everything to do with Hiking mount kilimanjaro. So we're gonna let him talk a little bit about that as well It was an excellent book. And he's a writer and co host and he does all kinds of cool things. So jeff. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for being on it. I am thanks for having me. Yeah i warned you. I think in one of my emails to you. That i would fan girl just a little bit because i've been listening to your podcast. Almost since you guys started it. I came across it and look in my my love of everything. New england came across your podcast. And i've been listening for a long time instead you. It's super exciting to have you on tobacco. Thanks yeah no. It's it's i mean you know we're connecting to the past all of us right and and that's what it's all about because then i think that's how we learn about ourselves and maybe just maybe avoid some of those repeat mistakes for the future not always even usually but you know maybe there's some hope i've found that seed of hope now. Jeff of course your your podcast specifically centers around legend in the six new england states. That are right there but you have lots of travel experience and you visited cemeteries all over all over the us as well as the world. Do you wanna talk about some of those visits in what you've experienced there. There's something about a bone yard. So i i've i've kind of cut my teeth and ghost stories haunted legends. That's where it all started for me. And i love how. There's so many haunted cemeteries. And i've been asked the question and it's a really good question. Who why would a cemetery be haunted right great question. you know. you're a ghost. You can go anywhere like you're going to sit in a boring bone yard. Had this discussion many times actually. Yeah like like the fifty yard line seats. Right are at the at your favorite football stadium. Probably like they should be the most haunted or like the front row of like the cool music venues or your home where you lived in you. Your loved ones are like those all make sense. We have connections there but this gets circles back to really what ghost is about and there is no ghost without a living person right the need that connection and so when a living person goes into a cemetery. You're just like oh my god there's like thousands of dead bodies underneath my feet right now you know and and you know deep down somewhere that this is your ultimate destination. This is where you're going. Maybe not this exact cemetery but you're going on the ground at some point even if it's the metaphorical grind even if you get cremated right like going. You're taking a dirt nap at some point. And so there's they're just inherently sort of eerie. You know there's there's something about them and then they start to get our the hairs on the back of our next up. And i remember that from a young age you get you get spooked. There's dead bodies all around me so but at the same time as you get older and you start to appreciate what they represent which is a connection to the people that came before us sometimes our family members. Of course you know that the people we love that we put in the ground and and then sometimes there's a connection to the people who founded our towns or are states are countries or did great. Things did horrible things They're all there you know it's like this great yearbook for the world. This is true. I love the. I love that that idea of a yearbook also What did you call it. A dirt dirt nap nap. I love that term worm food. let's face it. That's where we're going that's for graham is being the worms right now and it's interesting too because I've worked on stories where they move the headstones but not the graves remember remember. The movie poltergeist. Leon great great movie right and it's just like all you move. The headstones went out the graves. Now i've done a ton of historical research. You know how often that happens. In the real world a lot like ninety three point five percent of the time which is statistic. I made up. That can't be too far off right because seriously like when you were you back two hundred years ago when you buried the dead they might be under the headstones totally possible muscle but sometimes you hit rocks and ledge and then you move over a couple of feet and you put the body like three feet away to the right of the headstone. True or you like we buried. Charlie parsons over there. You know last year remember. How soft dirt was. Let's just put this one right on top of that one. It happens all the time. So for you to truly excavate a cemetery would be so troublesome and the other thing about it and this is the cold very cold hard truth. Nobody cares once you've been in the ground like fifty years. Nobody's visiting you. Nobody i have never gone to the graves of anyone past grandparent. Because i feel connection to them i never met them and so they're in the ground somewhere and and that's great but no one's visiting them. No one's leaving flowers or anything. Like that. And and i mean horrible of me to say but how truthful unless you're famous right unless you're like someone of note and then those people come and you leave the pennies and all that other stuff but so So it's an interesting thing. How vein of us to think that we all deserve a monument you know and And this and this gets back to light if we could just talk ghost theory for just a second. I think it's interesting that we only hear about ghosts. They only go back. So far. right civil war era. Sure you know we still have sort of a connection. Enough there But much further back than that revolutionary war. I got a couple of stories but tons from the civil war tons from like a hundred years ago. There's like the sweet spot but once it gets too far back where we just don't have a connection and so we just kinda let those people go. We let those those spirits. Go ray will and then a new generation should come in and has also too soon right. There's there's the notion of like something that that can't be haunted too soon where some horrible thing took place. Our nerves are still too raw. So this kind of like this sweet spot and the cemetery is where it all intersects for. Everybody goes whether you were brutally murdered or peacefully died if you were notable notable We all end up there. And and that's and that's what school in historic research like. You're you're gonna intersect with the cemetery at some point. This is true way. We like to always say you know the cemeteries are such a great starting point. If you don't know where to start historically sometimes go to start reading those names and start you know making a list and eventually some of those names are gonna come up in old articles in old books or diaries. Whatever it is that happened. There's names that we'll come back eventually. or in your case and i've heard several of your episodes where a name sometimes prompts the idea of a story or alleged epitaph. Yes interesting epitaphs. You spend some good ones. So when i was when i was young i am. I grew up in newtown connecticut and there was a cemetery. Couple of towns away in town of eastern called union cemetery and everybody just sorta knew this ghost the white lady of eastern and she's this wispy white apparition that had been seen in the cemetery but also on the street Right outside of it. And it's one of those things that story so powerful even if you're a skeptic you've heard somebody times but my brother-in-law who who used to have to drive by that cemetery everyday to go to work he's like i don't believe in ghosts. I don't believe in anything he's like but you know in the winter when it's dark by the time i'm driving home the i look over there and i'm like right. Yeah right. 'cause 'cause what if tonight's the night she's there and yet right and and that's the thing and that but there's you know there's reminders in there we don't always make it to our our destinations and and she's dressed in white so probably buried in her wedding dress which was common at at a certain point address someone in their finest clothes and which seems a waste wherever they did it. You know so. Yeah so for us. Sometimes it starts with like a ghost story. And when i tell that story in front of audiences i'd like to show the cemetery because i got this great spooky photo of it that my buddy frank grace took and i say like you know. Hey this is the cemetery and for most people. This is the end of the story but for us. This is where we begin. Because that's it you've got someone's gotta die for there to be a ghost But then sometimes just the epitaph to stop you in your tracks and i was thinking of There's this cemetery in bridgeport connecticut. It's called out old. Strat field cemetery strapped field. Used to be a town and then it kind of absorb by bridgeport dates all the way back to sixteen ninety. The cemetery and I was this was struck. Me my tracks because i've joked with people that i was raised catholic and But i don't go to church anymore because at hate for anyone innocent to get killed like when the lightning strikes you know and Yeah i laugh. Then you're an old strat field cemetery and you're walking along and you see this great old you know headstone with new england death head and the epitaph says here lies buried the body of mr david sherman who was killed by lightening in the house of god at public worship on the twentieth july. Seventeen seventy one in the thirty fifth year of his age. My gosh the what. Somebody had something for him. It's so i was like you know you see that. I'm the kind of person when i see that i'm like i'm not going to bed until i know the whole story. Yeah and then. So i started doing some digging. And there's a There's a journal called a journal. For the town of fairfield by william wheeler and the it's got all kinds of entries going way way back seventeen. Seventy one has but one entry. It's it's july. The lightning struck straffing meeting house and killed uncle john. Burr ripped open. The shoes of his brother zydus that stood near him and killed. Likewise david sherman. So he wasn't just david sherman john. Burr died two brother. Lost a shoe makes you wonder what they were doing before. Church whatever and then and then i found another thing. The history of the birth family mentioned the event of course. Because my god. How do you ever stop talking about it. I mean the birth family today must be like a now's the time where we reenacted lightning strike that took centuries ago took a uncle john birth right. But there's the This entry in the birth family genealogical record and it says the congregation was standing in prayer. Parson rose stopped praying and after a pause. He uttered the following words. Are we all here. No parson rose. We are not all here. But i was thinking how cool right i mean. Imagine your parson rose. The next time the collection plate went around. I bet you were like every you can't even carry this played it so heading. My goodness gracious. What happens when you don't give to the collection right. That's right. I love it. Well yeah you like. I said when you guys do your stories. I love that you find those stories and then you you guys take the extra step to go in and do the research and i say you guys. I guess we didn't introduce jeff. Jeff has a co host. Ray is not with us today But you guys really go in and research the legend but then you also always try to fool that historical background when you can Yeah we've us the stage right. Yeah which i know in new england back east is probably a whole lot harder than it is out here in the west because your records go back that much for you know people go much further back than what we have so. I don't be surprised. But i think i doing. I think we have this this natural sense of historic preservation. You know. I mean when you drive down main streets of some of our small towns. It's exactly what it looked like. A hundred and fifty two hundred years ago. I mean there's just like to less dunkin donuts back then right but otherwise it's the same. I mean this traffic lights and electricity now but yeah that that house was still lou because like the town. I grew up in if you own the house on main street. You can't painted a different color without the okay of the town right. That's how serious they take it. And you gotta have upkeep or you'll get fined like if you start putting like the tires in the front line like you know they're coming forward. Yes so so when you walk down the street you're like this is what it looked like two hundred years ago like this is what our ancestors saw and so like the town. Save those books. Save those announced that someone catalogs them sometimes digitises them and so we're so fortunate that sometimes The search is actually remarkably getting easier because everything so computerized and digitize now and and local volunteers have been meticulous about going through these records because they recognize that. You know those headstones fade. I mean those old epitaphs will wash away over time especially if they're not taking care of and so So they'll be lost and if you don't have the record then it's gone and so it's something about knowing the man we just hold onto it like with an iron grip all of it. You know we we've got. This is the strange dichotomy right like so conservative in in some ways and so incredibly liberal and others And it says this puritanical routes that that run deep you know those. Puritans set a stager the freaking ban christmas right. They did the band christmas. Go and and then We we still like. We can't get by it and yet we've we've progressed in so many other ways so it's it's a it's a unique place for sure. Yeah definitely i love. I've been back there to visit many times. I do keep trying to convince my husband that someday we should live back there. I don't know that oliver win. That argument he's a colorado way through. Inter- i mean we were both born in colorado but i didn't actually grow up in this day. I kind of grew up all over the place so whereas protection at yeah. Exactly talk about no actually. My dad was in the navy so we moved a lot but But never to old coast never to the east coast. But i have visited massachusetts and connecticut and new hampshire and rhode island quite a bit core main main. I would love to go to main. it's there yup. it's it's still there. Yeah it's on the list. We just every time we go. We ended up going to like our favorite spots. And then we're like. Oh now we're out of time for something new which is bad or you know what they call people from maine. What do they call them maniacs. Maybe i don't want go to mean then you know they go people from massachusetts mass holes. I have actually heard that term. I may have committed deriving. we don't use turn signals. We don't need a net new. I noticed that you guys don't really like turn signals. No see if you see a turn signal that means it was on when they bought the car and they don't know how to turn it off or they're from out of state. This is like i have out of state plates. You guys know. I'm not from here then. Yeah that's right. Yeah are driving. Stay off the sidewalk. Dad was how. I felt driving in downtown boston. Dear tower wedneday good for you. I made it we survive. I went and had a big beer afterwards. So boston is for people that are not familiar. Boston is inorganic wagon wheel city and there's I think there's one other in the us and it's escaping me but Most cities are grids new york city. If you miss your turn no problem. Go down two blocks. Turn down back. One and their grit cities. that's that's how it worth boston. You miss your turn. You're a new hampshire right like see you like. Oh they're salem and there's this monster driving. Oh fenway on man and you never get their. Gps kept telling me. Make you turn me. And i was like. I don't know where to make a u-turn. There's too many people i'm gonna rent somebody over so we met. We made it out eventually. At some point we survived. Like i said i had a big beard later. That night is like an that. I did promise that. I would not complain about denver traffic for two weeks after we got back and i did not complain about number traffic for the next two weeks. Well done. we used to run. But i love going back east and a large part of it is the history and and there's so much different history and i think that's why i also enjoy your podcast because there's a lot of the ghost history there's pirates there's There's all the literary history back there. Which book nerd so there. I mean there's just so many different parts of it that the further west we get the less we have of that kind of stuff. I mean we have some other fascinating stuff out here in the west but not like new england has now you guys probably have two hundred more years of history than we do. Well sure i mean yeah. There is just more well more europeans living here for longer than than other parts of the country but Do you know which state in these united has. The most cemeteries all in all fifty states. Do you know which one this is a quiz on chicago. Cemetery simply having cemeteries wins. Chicago's say illinois. Because i know they have a ton like. Are you ready yup. Ready it's rhode island. I almost said that until just because it's the smallest smallest state has the most senators and only because Because years and years ago the state was meticulous in cataloging every single one of them so for example you know the towns have the big ones but like a family plot with one or even two burials is rhode island cemetery number eight thirty seven. You know what i mean. So every one of them like if you know if you've got a grave in the woods behind your house from an old farm that's rhode island cemetery number two thousand eight hundred thirty six. You know like they have them all this catalog it so yes so then you and then you add in the obvious ones the big ones like that you are acres and acres of manicured lawn and Yeah it's rhode island it's there And it's amazing and so when you say it must be hard to do research when when people like road. I you know people's rhode island have done that for you and it's on a website you can see all the various graves and what they know and sometimes they just say you know four fieldstone. It's all they know they know who owned the land so they can speculate. But you know it's just it's unmarked at this point so Yeah i love that. And i love that we you know we save our dead things. The weather really whether it's like the buildings or the land or or whatever it is like we just we hold onto it. Well i think that's better than some of our western history. 'cause we have we have well in large part of our when you really start to research stuff out here in the west. We had so many buildings that were temporary and built of wooden stuff that burned journalists records. Were destroyed all the time like it's normal to be trying to go back and then you find. Oh well there's a big fire. Well that's the end of that set records unless you can find somebody who kept a diary at the time and that's still available or things like that but i don't think the western mindset especially during like the gold rush era in step was to save everything because we were so bent on progress and moving forward so i think that maybe that's the benefit to all the stuff and it may be. That's part of the reason. I love new england. As much as i do. But i think about the cemetery's i've seen out west like tombstone boot hill and but not just tombstone in virginia city. And like you know. Some of the old west cemeteries. We've seen. I've been out to these these great remote ones in the desert The headstones i don't even headstones there just crosses made of wood and woods goner would does not last and so. I wonder how many how many small cemeteries are out. There had wooden crosses that just disintegrated. Yeah you know like and and no one knows cemetery there anymore and so it's just completely lost. We've got tons of rock around here like is so much you you know you can find a he may need make a headstone. They're everywhere granite. You know a new hampshire's the granite state and so we've got plenty plenty to It's a little more permanent as well so there was that and we took the time. You know it's not like you're you're in a mining town really like you're lucky you even have like a some dirt over. You gotta keep digging digging for gold and get it out of the ground before this town busts when we leave right. Yeah so the a lot of that went fast and so it it can make research a little tricky on our end on this side of the country but you guys are great on that site with all. I don't think we value our history as much as you do there when you were in a rush right. Think about it and even now yeah like and like in the boom towns rates so over here like we know your name out there. You might have just been stinky. Pete stinky pete. Here lies stinky pete. And you're like who was sink stinky pete. You have no idea. Minor right ben from like you know new york and had it was born and had a name and everything but he lost it he just became a guy became a worker. Bee an aunt that didn't make it and Had a dream and a shovel and you know lost it all so it's And that's a story to right. So his story becomes kind of like collective right but As opposed to here where. I can tell you specifics. About people and look up their genealogy whatever out there it becomes part of like a greater narrative which is really cool so i was once twice actually in the catacombs of paris which The first time was two thousand three right and so paris. France is almost two thousand years old And when you build a city you put the cemeteries on. the outskirts. ranches normal But over centuries the outskirts weren't the outskirts anymore. So the city sprawled and surrounded them And then by the seventeen hundreds into the eighteen hundreds. They had two big problems. They were tunneling to get all this great limestone To continue to build buildings and the there was no more room to bury the dead there was just like a massive humanity in these you know these these pits of rot and they smelled in this spilling in the streets. People are getting sick and buildings collapsing because the buildings are getting so heavy on the ground underneath is hollow because the tunnelling to get the the limestone so they said all right we gotta empty the cemeteries and the thing is disturbing. Place of the dead is kind of a universal taboo. Not supposed to do it. You know you're not supposed to dig up dead bodies it's just not right and so But at the same time the living will win always right. I mean if it's between me and the dead you it's going to be me you know like and and that's how it goes and so they start filling these tunnels in with all these bones. And the first time. I went down there. I was alone and Yeah i speak a petite per se a little bit and Over their last name is been on jay So yeah so when they see me they think i'm fluent and i'm like i'm pretty american. You'd be surprised so Going down in these tunnels and it's quiet. It's like twenty five thirty meters below the city. And it's so quiet and you just hear like the drip of water through the limestone just like you know blue pill crunch of gravel under your feet and you make these leveson writes in this there's graffiti from the french underground going back to world war two and a and then you get to the doorway that says in french. You know aretz seselj empire dilemma. Ms stop this is the empire of the dead end when you walk through There's just millions of skeletons like all around you in this. Very macab intricate pattern. You know it's like this retaining wall of a femurs and arm bones and skulls that just make rows and rows and then they'll be they'll be like a in gravestones that tell you where the bone came from layton cemetery of saint john the year they were brought down there and so on. But i was like. Wow you know when you go to a cemetery. Every person gets a stone or at least every family right like maybe even if there's a family like this is the jones family whatever and so these people were robbed all that they were robbed of all their individuality and and there's no way to know who's who anymore just pile of bones and i mean what do i mean i've had some rough jobs my first job. I washed dishes at a diner and a crappy diner but imagine your job is to just pick up the corpses and bring him down below and i think the only way they show some respect was to try to make it beautiful and intricate to just not not. Just throw it up there but like pat Give it some some effort. And so there was like valentine hearts of skulls and crosses in arcs and all kinds of things and you just touch them. They're right there. You can just stick your finger out and just be like oh. That was someone's i you know like there and Profound after getting over my extreme case of the willies. You realize you're in a you're in a cemetery like a very crowded cemetery of a catacomb and probably some bailout as down there somewhere you know and it was. It was powerful powerful experience. If that was where. I saw my first ghost down there and i was walking through this long hallway and i saw this shadow the size of a man go from the right side to the left and go back again and i just froze. Wait a minute. you know. At that point. I'd interviewed hundreds of people about their ghost experiences and so i was just like But wait you know. Maybe there's a side tunnel up there you know and but there wasn't this long straightaways just me and i just went. Oh well that's not a ghost. I don't have another word for it. You know there was just. I was here. It was here and then it was over and that was the way out. I had to keep going. That way sucks. Yeah i was like okay here. We go and so Yeah that was a really powerful experience the whole all of it every piece of it just walking and walking through thousands of many centuries of parisian history and bodies like they were all people you know everyone of those skulls every one of those bones belonged to a human being because it becomes this collective right it becomes like this generic old dead parisian's as opposed to you. Forget these were fathers and mothers and children and had friends and family and had jobs that they cared about and did creative things. Some of you know. And they're all just one voice. Now you know just this one collective voice which it's hidden away down below you gotta like wanna go find it. It's not just up there for all to see it's kind of interesting to talk about. I mean part of the reason. They moved them with so that they could have more room to build up top but also they're still supporting the city of paris right. They're still holding it up. And so all the living people that are up above and have been up above all. These years are being supported by all those people that came before them walking on their graves all day long. Yeah no it's it's it was a really powerful experience. It was amazing and There's these this group of people over there called cata files people that like to go in. And and there's there's a museum you can just literally pay and go down and see a good chunk of it and then there's tons of others hundreds of kilometers of tunnels and their bones and other places that you're not supposed to visit but the cata files know how to get in and out. Of course they do. Yeah it's so. I interviewed one who Who said like gather certain buildings. If you know the right way and you can you can slip in and check it out and I can't imagine imagine what what that must be like. I mean there's something safe about the one at the museum. There's the lighting and you feel like okay it's clean and nothing's gonna jump out and kill me but it was still there that you're not expecting that type of thing. Yeah besides ghosts right so yeah. It was incredible and i love that. I love that The way we treat our dead is really indicative of our society and our culture right like. That's it speaks volumes of us. Like how do we respect them. Do we honor them or do we just forget about him right in that. Like you said it's interesting. And i over years over centuries that changes it goes back and forth and we have an even. I mean part of our goal with our podcast is to try and help people remember. Some of these. Like pioneer cemeteries in the older cemeteries that do tend to get forgotten or a lot of communities moved onto the only thing left might be the cemetery. In some cases i was just in wyoming recently and we went to carbon wyoming and there's nothing left in carbon but the cemetery and a few a few places where there had been houses but the houses they actually up moved to the whole house. So there's a few foundations nothing else Because all those people moved on but they're dead are still there and so it was a very powerful moment to stand in that cemetery wyoming being hilly like it is you're standing on the hill and you can see the whole landscape all the way around you and just think that at one point about one hundred fifty years ago there were people walking around there and mining and doing activities and now there's nothing there except yeah yeah except the dead texas. That's all that's left. And at some point i mean if if we don't talk about them they they sort of go away you know keep he's alive. Yeah so there's a there's a A cemetery in middlebury vermont and It's it's this is like one of the one of my favorite stories that we did about a cemetery Because there's a barrel in there that dates back to eighteen eighty one b. c. b. c. You get somebody that old. I mean i know. We had people on this side of the continent for bbc limited. You're ready. I'm ready ready There is an addiction. Mummy buried in that cemetery. And it's a two two and a half year old prince named ammon hair kep chef who died in eighteen eighty one. Bc died in egypt. Of course is that's where ship shin mummies come from and then in the eighteen eighties eighty or see if you prefer Egypt fever was was like gripping the world everybody wanted to own a mummy. Yeah like people are pulling these mummies out of the ground and egypt and they're going to museums but then they're also going like private collectors that are being displayed in homes. Some are being ground up into mummy desk in made into cosmetics or even like you know snake oil medicine and so little two and a half year old ammon hair. Kappa chef was purchased for twenty dollars Back in eighteen eighty six. The thing is once you pull a mummy out of the the the arid hot dry desert's egypt and then put them on a boat and start them heading toward england. I and then over to new york Decomposition just takes right over where it left off and so This guy named henry sheldon of middlebury vermont. He's the guy that bought the mummy. It made it to new york that have made it from new york to to middlebury and when it arrived museum he looked at this. Like rotting pile of dust and rags. I can't put this on display. No it doesn't even look like anything and so we put it in the attic. And then henry sheldon had the nerve to die in one thousand nine hundred seven of course and and meanwhile so so years later. There's a new curator at the museum is in the attic discovers this mummy in the attic. And he's like guys. This is a human being right. This is a someone's child and so His name was george meade in any he had a family plot the cemeteries huge. By the way the middlebury cemetery massive. It's were tons and tons of people are in the meade family has has some space in there and so he got permission from the museum and from the town that he said you know i wanna create these remains and i i will give him some burial space because he deserves to be buried human being and so if you go to the cemetery today. There's all this all kinds of things. You'd expect to see like obelisks in some of the old death heads and some very modern burials. But then there's this one headstone in the top. Middle is across a christian cross which is amazing right because he died literally one thousand nine hundred years before jesus right invented yet. Christianity wasn't even a wasn't a glint a glimmer in anyone's i point right but whatever but then there's also like an onc symbol and the hieroglyph of a bird which represents the soul and the epitaph reads ashes of ammon hair a chef aged two years of central set the third king of egypt and his wife mahathir khotip eighteen eighty three bc buried in middlebury vermont. An old. yeah old agip shin mummy. And oh yeah. And that's the thing you know. I i i've seen a. I did a story wants. There's a. there's a bone yard in mexico where you have to rent the space by the year. You know we talked earlier about how you know Once someone's been buried fifty years or so no one cares right and so if you stop paying the yearly rent they dig the body up freight and they put it on display so people can pay to look at the dead rotting bodies and they're gonna make their money one way or the other and so if you want to keep your loved one in the ground you pay which is great extortion grief. Extortion actually get in on that. I know that. I think i might be wrong but i think it's germany. That has something similar in some of their cemeteries all. It's longer than a year like it's a like a fifteen year or twenty year. I think twenty five years because people come into our cemetery because when they ask you know how much space is blah blah blah blah and. i says well for how long and i'm like forever and they couldn't understand that because they sit in germany. It's like they come up after twenty five years and they created space. They have they meet. They don't have as much land space that this is how they create space for the more recent burials than the older ones are removed right. I don't know if what if we want to put a casino here right. I mean sorry right here. that's right. we're the slot machines gonna go to grandma's gonna go. I'm sorry well. How many parking. Lots exist on top of cemeteries and i always love when people go wait. There's wet under here. Yup there's bodies. They moved the headstones. They left the bodies all the time so boston. Did you stay in boston when you were there. Did you have a drink of say water. Yes okay you may not know this. This maybe maybe waited after this so that water came from the quad reservoir which is in central massachusetts and decades ago they Took away for small towns and and cleared out the valley and then flooded it. Make drinking water for boston and You can still go there today and you can see some of the like some of the old foundations which are not underwater but next to it and In this one of these rumors that you could take a rowboat out there and see like church steeples not true because you can go to the museum and you can see pictures. They hired anybody. That could hold a shovel or an axe or hatchet right to take out not just every building but every tree everything it was it was barren land. When they were done they cleared it out. And this pictures to prove it however I talked to a real old timer and this was back in like two thousand six when i was working on a book and he was in his eighties and he said when he was six or seven years old. He remembers you know. The families got to walk through that valley just before they flooded it and he said he members go into the Going to the cemetery and of course. The graves removed the graves removed. Go visit them today. They're they're in a bone yard right nearby and he's like. I remember walking around the up the hill from where he lived there was like the cemetery and so we went up to visit it and he said i saw all these little rectangles where all the headstones were. And i remember thinking Shouldn't there be big. You know rectangles where the caskets were pulled outright. There were not every time you take a sipa water in boston. It's been filtered through a bunch of dead bodies that were never ever moved from those four towns now. I will never forget that boston. I might have to stick with the beer beer. At least it's been pasteurized. It's been heated up and all that you'll be fine may have to do that. Well jeff we have been thrilled tab you on the show. Jeff is such an excellent for our listeners. just an excellent storyteller. Your books also. I wanted you to talk a little bit about your most. Recent book about mount kilimanjaro. I read it. it's phenomenal. it's such a great way to end. It has nothing to do with cemeteries ghost in this case but it was such a way to to move along with your the way you tell your story about. What led you to hike. Mount kilimanjaro in the first place. And then all the things that you did on the hike and the people you're with. I mean i when i read it. I really felt like i was right there. Going up the mountain with you which i live in a state where we have fourteen hours and i've yet to make it to the top without assistant so congratulations. That's amazing yeah now. Those that was also life. changing the impetus for that. I lost my brother-in-law cancer and he was forty six when he died and He and i got pretty close. It was like a two year battle At the end in surprised all of us came out of nowhere and So because you know this is the guy that didn't really believe in ghosts or anything was a devout agnostic at best almost an atheist and after about a year of his cancer treatment. He called me one day and he said you're into some pretty weird stuff. Jeff i said. Yeah that's totally true. And he said. I'm going through something pretty weird and so after that we sort of talked about this this process of dying that really all of us are going through by the way You're dying i'm dying. We all are. We have no how soon it's going to be us in the ground and And so you know as. He was nearing the end of his journey. We just we talked about all these these profound things that he was experiencing stuff that you know because a lot of us death is a surprise. You go to bed tonight. Wake up you get an accident you have a heart attack is any number of ways where it ends in a in a second But you know this was a two year march Into the into the unknown and so So it was really something. He shared much of that with me. And so After he passed kilimanjaro had been on my bucket list for years of hiker and And i i was nearing the age. He was when he was diagnosed. And then someone asked me to do it for the leukemia lymphoma society and raise money for cancer. Cross this thing off my bucket list do this in memory of him just you know months after he died to be asked and it just kind of all came together. And i'll tell you once we get to the rim of the volcano which was The just the rim is eighteen. Thousand eight hundred. Something feet I i i saw. The sunrise had hiked all night started at midnight from the campus takes six days to get to the top. that final push started at midnight and Just to see that sunrise it was so profoundly spiritual experience of of just feeling this like this huge presence and the chagas people in the masai people have a word. For the top of kilimanjaro. That means like where the house the house of god or god dwells and they believe only those that god deems worthy are allowed up there and it was just the sun came up and it was so cold before you know this glaciers up there it's arctic and and then you just like i just felt it was this thing saying yes you're worthy you're welcome you should be here and and it was just It was amazing. I'll never forget it. I'm so glad you did. And i'm so glad you wrote about it because you are gifted storyteller and you tell it in such. I mean it's funny. There's parts that are hilarious and you will laugh out loud if you're reading it. I know i did remote coupon whole poop. You gotta dig on holding poop in it like you. You had some moments where you're like you just things that those of us in our modern houses in modern workplaces don't even think about but when you're stuck on the side of a mountain there's things you have to think about life things regular life things. Yeah that's true and that's why it's it's cool. How simple life got no cell phone. Why nothing just You a nature in. It's it's a very resetting thing for me. I feel like i could use that again. Because especially for this last year with cove involving locked in. And we've been doing zooms in live streams and you know we've been so we've we've been so dependent thank god for technology right. It's kept us connected in a world where we weren't allowed to be physically connected or you know close close by and it's It's become a surrogate. But we're burning out on it. You know like and i think i'm overdue for a good reset so You know. I think a lot of us are a lot of us are feeling that that need to just be like okay. I need to be around human beings. And i need to be around nature and be outside and just get that that reset that we also desperately me. I agree we end. Yeah i don't know this can be hard to To top that your story about your trip. I have to ask you. Follow the cemeteries you have visited. What is your favorite. Or which one is your favorite. Oh still hard. I mean i'm gonna i'm gonna have to say technically the catacombs of paris right which which i talked about but there's so many The union cemetery in eastern connecticut. The white lady legend. That i grew up with that was like one of the first ghost stories. I heard that was so closely tied to a place that we would drive by to. Dr mike's to get ice cream right like hey you know you just like it's get ice cream. Yea oh there's that white lady looking out the window and you look in the whole time you drive by and you're like a wonderful see. It's stuff like that and so There's a there's a pole to these places is definitely a draw to them that that it's tough to explain. It made me think we were talking that really everything we talked about tonight. There's a leave you this. It's a it's a mexican proverb than i don't know if you guys have talked about it before but it's it's It says we all died three deaths and the death is when your body expires and the second death when you're you're corpses laid into the ground but the third and final death comes somewhere down the line when your name is uttered for the last time. And then you see speaking a ghost. I like that one. That's a good one to end with. Yeah yeah a lot to think about so before we become ghosts and before we see coming ghosts i you know let's leave a mark remembered yet right down your stories. I write down the stories. Tell us it. You don't have to be the greatest storyteller ever but just write things down so that those future generations. Go back and say oh. Wow this happened to somebody. The dash right. Yeah exactly. we'll thank you so much jeff. We are so pleased to have you. It was so fun you both and it was definitely pleasure. And of course we will listeners. We will have links to the new england legends podcast as well as the website and everything else in the show notes and also links so that you can purchase jeff's book what am i didn't bring my copy in front of me. With the kilimanjaro. Thank you So we'll have links to all of that in the show notes today so that you can go and read them and then like jeff is written so many other books so you're into paranormal stories and ghost stories. He's got all kinds of books about that out there as well just as fascinating and just as interesting so thank you. Thank you both. Wow that was quite an episode. Thank you so much jeff for sharing your amazing stories and i don't know all the cemeteries jeff spoke about. I think the catacombs is still my before. I wanna see only vote see them even more when he described the way jazz kind of athlete to find out more about this episode and the links that will be shared and visit us on our website at the ordinary extraordinary cemetery dot com and on twitter at ord extra sim. And of course you can also find us on facebook and instagram at ordinary extraordinary cemetery and we will have some photos there for you guys to check out that. Go along with this episode And also if you would leave us a real quick review if you're enjoying listening to this episode or any of our previous episodes that you have listened to those reviews on apple. Podcast really help us to stand out to others who may be interested in learning more about cemeteries in their history You can also leave us review directly on our website. There is a link. There that says reviews. You can click on that type. A little review and let us know how we're doing and we thank you once again for joining us this week until we meet again.

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How to Learn and Borrow from Speakers, Musicians, and Comedians with Jeff Belanger

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How to Learn and Borrow from Speakers, Musicians, and Comedians with Jeff Belanger

"Welcome to public speaking with peter. George do you want to be calm. Competent and credible. Every time you speak in public then stay tuned as peter and his guests discuss public speaking tips techniques and tactics. That help you increase your impact influence and income. Here's your host feeder george. Everyone has their own speaking styles. The key is to learn from others. Take the ideas that resonate with you and make them your own. Of course once you do that you should continue to learn always advancing honing your skills. One of the people you wanna learn from is my guest today. Jeff belanger jeff is an author podcast storyteller adventure and explorer of the unexplained. He's written more than a dozen books that have been published in six languages. You may have seen jeff on tv. Because he's the emmy nominated host writer and producer of the new england legends series on. Pbs an amazon prime. Jeff provides programs and lectures to audiences all over the world. And he's been the writer and researcher for every episode of ghost adventures on the travel channel. Jeff has made media appearances on hundreds of radio and television programs over his twentieth career. India has a passion for mysteries and legends. Hey jeff welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. Wow let's do it again. That already screwed up. No leave that in. It'll sound natural unreal. I just i was ready to be all polished and say thank you for having me peter. It's great to talk about public speaking with you. I think you should leave all that. In as a matter of fact. I would not edit that one bit all right just as is perfect. Hey jeff ralph walled say no no. Leave all this great. We're being real. This is the blueprint is authentic. Jeff ralph waldo. Emerson said all of the great speakers were bad speakers at first. Yes so tell us. When did you first start public speaking. And how bad where you back. Then it was two thousand five on a night just like this one and i was terrible. I had just published my first book. And what's cool when you write. A book is that People want you to speak about it and that's exciting because you're like. Hey all this work. I wrote a book. And i got up in front of an audience. I had all these notes. Because when you write books you you pore over every word you wanna make it just right you want it to land just the way you want it to land and i thought well public speaking the same thing so i wrote this whole speech and i read it to the says. It's so awful. I would never do that today. But i i read to them and i tried to like make eye contact. Then i lose my place. And i would try to keep reading because i thought i wrote it just right like what i wanted to say. I got better. I got better along the way but that was that was awful but ten thousand hours makes you an expert right so they say that was the first hour and that was a tough one. You don't i see that a lot. Where when someone writes a book people like you said. Ask them to speak. But one doesn't necessarily correlate to the other no it does not ovalles either way either way people get speak very well and they. They can't put a sentence down on paper and they are two different skills for sure. Would you agree that. Writing is wall solitary. Yeah writing is a lonely life. And i'm an extrovert so It's yeah you you're on your own there and it's draft after draft to so in you revise it and then eventually you get some people to look at it and then make some comments in revise again and then you get an editor and all that stuff public. Speaking is i like. I like to think of it as a performance. Because i'm a performer. I play guitar. And i when i step to a microphone to speak publicly. I'm thinking about this as a performance. And there's an energetic thing that happened between performer and audience. Whether you're playing music or you're an actor on the stage or you're giving a speech whatever it is and what's amazing about it especially when you do it a lot. Is you learn. It's not the same every night you know not at all one audience is just an apology. Your hand and you're riding this wave and this is just great and you just leave feeling high as a kite and then the next night. You're ready to do it again and You are you guys alive out there and you realize you gotta change everything you got to do something different because what work last night is not working tonight and and i love that. I love that the performance part of it that. There's some magic that something there's amuse. Who descends if you're lucky often and there's there's magic that has to happen between the audience and the performer and It when it's there it's great for everybody. I love the you. Put it that way. Because i feel the same way that there's a certain amount of performing in public speaking and presenting and there are a lot of people who disagree with that. No they're all wrong. oh they go that word authenticity. I'm thinking you can be authentic. Yeah and perform the best live. Actors are being authentic for the performance. And that's the connection for sure. Yes it's authentic in its you but it's you on. Its you upper level. I think about musicians. That i've seen where they're just. They're powering through a ballot that i know they've played hundreds. Maybe thousands of times over the years and use you see. They're crying and they've tapped into whatever emotion was there when they wrote that song and they're feeling it in their every fiber or their incredible actors and musicians right there but they've got to that place that emotional place and it's coming out of them and it makes it so authentic now. I'm there with them. I'm getting choked up. And they're hitting that emotional center. That's what a good story does whether that story is told in music or inverse or in as a speech whatever it is it hits emotional centers you. Can't you can't stay in one emotional place with a story like i work my day job right. I work in fear. I work in ghost stories and spooky things. I can't scare you all the time. It stops working. I have to let you come down and then if anything maybe i can disarm you with a little humor make you get your guard down with with a laugh and then i can spook you. You're not expecting it. And so you have to move through these emotional waves to craft a good story. It's so important speaking about a musician and tapping into that. That feeling i listened to a an article or an interview the other day with our clapton. Who is my favorite musician. He's amazing guitarist as well. By the way yep and he was saying and i laughed at the first party. Said i'm technically not all that. Good guitarist you okay. And he said however. I can tap into emotion anytime i need to. Yeah and when. I sing a particular song for the gazillion time. I can tap in like it was the very first time i sang it. Yeah and that's that's our that's art in performing in craft. While i would disagree with him. I think he's technically pretty amazing. Open i son interview with bb king and he talked about. He did a collaboration with you to remember. You know when love comes to town and everything and They said okay so if you could play these chords. Bb he's like no gentleman. I don't play chords do this. And he just said that you know he just hits those notes and i saw in and there was like this is called on the fly but it was a little side interview with and he's like oh there's lots of people that could do what i do but then he had this long pause and he just looks right at the camera cameron. He goes but they ain't me. Jack ain't me and you're like you're damn right. They ain't bb king. Bb king is bb king. And that's what he does. You know we go to see him. We did go to see him. Obviously when he was alive we swam to see him be. Bb king that performance. That still him. That's his authentic. In fact if it wasn't authentic we wouldn't buy a ticket we wouldn't go. No clapton. is authentic. remember seeing him at the garden in boston. Right in Just amazing and if he wasn't his authentic self but obviously ready to perform right like cleaned up on the stage on time and everything you know and giving it his all. If that authenticity wasn't there i wouldn't believe it. And i would be disappointed and i would walk out. Audiences can smell that so performing. I don't think it's dirty word at all if you don't think of it as a performance that you've something you prepared right when i step in front of an audience i prepared something for you. I'm not winging it. I would never wing it. That would be so disrespectful to you. The audience i i couldn't even imagine couldn't fathom doing that to them. It would be unfair. I also believe this lack of respect for us when we don't prepare in that we're letting ourselves down. The other thing too is. If i don't feel prepared i'll get nervous. You know at at at part of being able to go out there and give it my best means that i've i've got my stories down. I know what. I wanna say know where i wanna start where i wanna go to and where i wanna finish and then the magic happen and when it's really good when it's really really good i get to step outside of my body and watch me and watch them Because i'm i'm in zone and that's that's when it's gold. There's a story. And i. I wanted to hit a certain way and i get to actually step outside and watch the audience when i hit it like. Do they lean forward. When i wanted to lean forward they laugh and lean back. When i want him to laugh and when that's all working it's so good you get to be performer. Performer and and observer at the same time. But i can only do that. if i'm prepped. Nothing like it now. Going back to you spoke early on about when you write a book and you've written more than a dozen books countless articles as well as television shows. How does this affect the way you approach public speaking. So over the years. I've i've really honed story and when especially television television has such a short attention span. That's probably the closest translator right. We we have to grab you early on take you somewhere and then leave somewhere same book. Same with articles right when you read a book. There's a trust thing that has to happen. Very quickly Hopefully on page one by you to open the book in the bookstore back when people went to bookstores and you you started to read it and if it if it hooks you and you keep going maybe get to page two. And you're like i'm buying i'm in this is this is good. And there's nothing worse than when we trust an author and with that author all the way. And you get to the end and the endings. No good stephen. King for example who is notorious for horrible endings. You know just. I hit my word count. They dropped the nuc- the world ended the at. You know and you go. Oh oh i was so invested. Stephen how could you do this to me. You get so mad right but that trust thing is what makes you turn the page. It's no different when you're on the stage. I have to earn your trust quickly. I have to grab you and you have to believe that. I'm going to take you somewhere or this whole thing. Breaks down fast if you haven't hostile audience that's just thinks like wait a minute. This guy's fumbling and nervous. I don't know if he knows what he's doing. An should even be sitting here. You got a big hill to climb at that point in so So on in one regard that does translate. were you think about. How do i grab you. And where do i take you. But on the other hand the performance part of it. I don't get to agonize over every word i get to. Just go and why you said earlier. We're going to show people under the hood here. The podcast he said if we mess up. We can edit. I love when you're on stage that you can't edit. I love that you like if some if the microphone disconnected you have to just yell into the audience or you know if the lights fall or whatever happens you have to work with that in. I hope it stays in. Because that's we gotta keep going right. That's what we gotta do. tv storytellers. He once said in an interview. Stephen moffatt by the way who wrote the newer doctor who's and produced them and things like that. I love this. He said i have a secret to tell you. And i'm going to tell you. But i'm going to give to you little pieces and i may not give you all. You need to know that. I still have a little bit in there and i love that when i'm in front of an audience i i have a secret. I'm gonna let you in. i'm gonna let you in. I don't know how close. Maybe i gotta trust you too. But i'm gonna spill some stuff and going to spill it to you. Trust me and you'll get there. And i will make sure we engineer a good landing at the end and that you feel like this was worth your time. It's obviously that you put a lot of effort into public speaking and it can't be a shock to you that i believe in coaching speaking. If any i went to one toastmasters meeting and They talked all about like how to get over your nerves. And i was like. Yeah this. I've been doing this for years so i left toastmasters. I'm sure it's great if you've never ever done it. I mean i'm not knocking them at all i. It wasn't me. And then i took an acting class at a reputable theater in providence rhode island and it was just like know in scene work and we sat down day one. And there's all these aspiring actors and you go around and introduce yourself and say why here. And i said good news i will never be up for part against any of you like i don't wanna be an actor but i recognize that part of acting means you use your entire body especially on stage you use your whole body and I've only really spoken my own words. I have to now learn someone else's words and try to promote try to hit the emotional centers of those words and use my voice. Use my body my motion use silence pauses to change the whole mood and those classes really taught me how to do that with these scenes studies. Shakespeare which is difficult language and i was an english major. You know if. I'm if i'm what light through yonder window breaks right. It is juliet and she's the sun. It's just i. You feel it. Because i don't know all the words i don't understand them. You know. i'm not that smart so learning to use my whole body learning to really hit. The emotional centers of another author's words made me a much better public speaker. And then i took improv classes mainly because they were fun like as an adult like you get to play and be silly. And i highly recommend it for anybody even if you don't even wanna be a public speaker like just go take some improv classes in remember what it was like to be in the school yard but that keeps you fast on your feet and if you get heckled for some reason which doesn't happen often or once in a while someone else cell phone rings and someone will just take the call. Dude i have no problem coming into the audience and grabbing the phone and talking like i'll i will i will. You're now part of this. I didn't ask for it. But if you wanna dance. We'll dance and so just learning how to be quick on your feet and also the great thing about improv. Is that you you have to work with others. The whole thing of improv is yes. And if you are doing improv like remember that time we went to the mcdonalds and all those clowns came out of the bathroom. Yes and And then we went and got in the getaway car and was full of money and it was there as we stole. Yeah and and then we got away from the cops that you just go and you feed on that energy and and that's what a live performance is i. I have a plan but as we know sometimes you gotta toss your plans and go with. What's there now. I think great place to learn not full training necessarily but Watching or speaking to stand up comics musicians as we spoke about. Illusionist are great at directing an audience. That's what they live by. Have you spoken to anybody like that. Where you've taken clues from. Yes so i was doing a conference and again. I'm a paranormal guy right select. That's right. I write my books and stuff and it was a paranormal conference years ago and it was an honest about three hundred people and there was a comic. Mike brody fulltime comic. He makes his. He feeds himself being a fulltime comic. Base that minneapolis. And i i remember Talking to him before. And he's like look. Can you warm up for me can you. Can you go up there. And just like warm up the crowd. So i don't go up to a cold. Mike and i was a kid. I could do that no problem i can work a room. And so he He said listen. Whatever you do just say. How's everybody doing where you're from. And then the last thing you say is my name and then you introduce me and i went up there and that crowd was hot peter. It was hot. I was like. How's everybody doing. It was like rock concert and like this is great. We got these people here and that everybody is going to be great weekend. And everybody's cheering. And finally i was like from minneapolis. Mike brody anyone up and he killed he killed them and he was so good so adept at what he does. They were rolling for forty five minutes set. And that's a long time to keep people laughing the following year. Same conference different room. This underground cave barberi dark and he's like same. Thank and you go up again and got you man no problem and get up to the mic from. How's everybody doing. Oh hello hello you know. It's so quiet. And and i want my goodness is cold up here. It's freezing and i tried it and again. He's the act. I'm there to just sort of not make it a completely called microphone any died. He died on stage not literally of course in the figurative sense and he and i talk a lot about the craft of of what we do. I mean as a comic. You have rooms where the energy isn't working and all you have jokes and if nobody's laughing it's just i can only imagine i at least also have information so if i try to be funny. Jokes aren't landing. Well then i let me change tack. Can i can just be sort of informative and tell you stories. Maybe i can be a little more spooky tonight. But he's gotta be funny. That's the job. And so i think you learn so much watching comics and really good comics. Know how to use silence. You know they know how to wait for the right moment. And a hit the beat and and have the timing. That's what comedy is timing is. When do i hit the line and also knowing when to get off the stage comics will tell you you have your closer joke. There's a joke you think is going to be your closer but if you're near the end and you get the big laugh stop there get off stop there and get off and so you learn a lot in musicians. Same thing you just see. Who's good at stagecraft. How can some people get up there and they play. No one notices them. It's like they're in a corner is background. Music and other people are playing. They completely command your attention. you know. it's there's this this energy they put out. That's just like look at me. Because i'm going to take you somewhere important. You're going to be better for this. And you stop what you're doing and you put your drink down and you stop your conversation and you listen and you get pulled into the world that they are creating there in front of you. And that's what a good comic does. That's what a good musician does. It's a good performance us. When you see stage actors right they are creating a world. And you're literally in it. And if i could tap into that i'll just get better. I suggest to my clients that they have a conversation with the listeners. Yep how did he create conversation when you're talking to audience at has several hundred or even thousands of people when i write a book by the way and it took me a while. Learn this the first few. This was not the case. When i wrote my latest book. I wrote it for one person. I was thinking about a specific person. A guy grew up with went to high school with. He was my la- sitting down with you. And i'm telling you this story that i climbed mount kilimanjaro. I'm gonna tell you the whole story to one of my dear friends. And i think about that when i'm in front of alert when it's an audience too big to even make contact. I think about that. I think about. It's one person out there and let me just talk to you. As if you're one person and that sort of helps me get into that mode and i've also found that. How can i disarmed you. I mean i wanna grab you early on but then also disarm that this is a safe place and we're all in this together and so you can do that with eleven you can do it with maybe being a little self deprecating times or you just do it by having a good grab and realizing like oh no. This is already keyed up. I've got him. And i don't have to resort to any tricks. They're already with me now. Everybody has their own style on stage when it comes to presenting some use slide decks multimedia props in the like us any of these. Yeah often i do. I do often have visuals with me. Because especially what i'm talking about Legends and haunted places. And things. Like that however i generally. We'll have no words on there. It's just photographs as the so it. Sort of becomes a backdrop. So if i'm talking about the haunted lizzie. Borden house in fall river massachusetts. I've got a great photographer. Friend i work with is just a spooky picture of the house with the clouds and everything is very ominous and it just becomes a backdrop. I want you focused on me. I don't put words up there. However when i'm switching stories like the story might have a title and the title is meant as a pause. I can take a drink of water. It tells the audience. Hey that stories done a new ones about to begin as i moved through the program. But then. otherwise it's just. It's mainly sorta decorative i look at the powerpoint. I made back when i first started. They were just filled with words so many words. And now there's i mean you know just the titles than otherwise and maybe if i needed if i need to remind you of a year or date and again i've learned in this is so true in tv. If i tell you it was october twenty third eighteen seventy six tuesday that's already Way too much information. You know what i mean like ohkawa october. What was the date. The seventeenth sixteen. I missed it and it's too late. It was the fall of eighteen. Seventy six all you gotta know right. I mean okay. I get it before electricity. no cellphones. it's autumn got it so you sort of learn. What does the audience actually need. And sometimes details is not the answer. If there's something i really need you to know then i'll have a handout. I'll print them out and you can leave with it. If there's something that some data that i really need you to have which in my line of work is never by the way. I'm thinking of your other listeners. Out there that Might want to adapt this but yeah for the most part. I don't wanna boggy down with details. I want you to remember the story because the story becomes part of you. And that's the thing you remember. That's the thing we connect to stories powerful. Totally in that is so powerful. How do you apply that to public speaking. You've got us start somewhere and you've got to go somewhere and you've gotta hit a climax and you've gotta have a finnish and that's how books work that's tv shows work songs work by the way. That's poems work. And i think with public speaking and i'm not speaking now is like a guy that tells weird stories and legends and stuff but as a as a performer. If you haven't given that some thought about how do i grab you. I call it a lead in writing right like what. What's the grabby lead. That tells you where we're going so we start somewhere with. Hey i've got a secret to tell you we're gonna learn something here's an example especially during covert. I've been telling a lot of stories about new england. Vampires and vampires have always been around in folklore during times of plagues. This is long. Before bram stoker consumption to berkeley victims were thought of his vampiric And people resorted to some pretty crazy stuff. I could get in front of an audience. And i could preach to them how it's important to wash your hands at wear a mask and socially distance and get vaccinated and people are going to dig in if they're politically inclined and say no way or yeah. I already did Or i could say. Hey we've been here before even though none of us was alive. Let me tell you the story of this. There's a vampire in rhode island by the way several is a matter of fact wasn't just one you had multiple vampires in rhode island and you can still go see their greaves to this day and they came around during the times of play ke- a pandemic and suddenly gone. Oh wait we're in one now aren't we. you know. And then later on it just sort of they learn they apply it to the world. They're in now and go. Yeah we're not far off from digging up a body and burning the heart. Mixing the ashes elixir in an attempt to break a spell. Because someone said it might work. And that's the power. So what's the story that you want people to remember. What emotional centers are you going to hit as you unfurl that story. Are you one for hitting the five senses. Yes sensory in descriptive. Any sort of description of senses helps a lot when you're trying to get people into a location There's a story. I tell about the catacombs in paris and the catacombs are thirty meters below the city. And it's these networks of limestone tunnels filled with human bones that have been moved down there between the mid seventeen hundreds in eighteen hundreds. And when you walk down there it's got that sort of musty smell. And it's very quiet compared to up above in paris and you can hear the water drip through the limestone and you can hear the crunch of gravel under your feet and it's cool at the temperatures very steady and so that sorta takes you down there with me other stories. Maybe don't require as much sensory to get into them but some do and it's a tool in the toolbox right. Use it if you need it or if you wanna slow it down and you want to set the tone a little bit. I think those are great tools. I know we're talking about telling stories of history and legend lower but boy if people are presenting on any sort of academic subjects thought a little more like this i think they would have a much more receptive audience if they thought you even. If you're you're talking about an annual report and the prophet loss for the last quarter. You still have a story to tell there somewhere at the end. Leave me feeling. Good that okay. This wasn't the our best quarter but this is why we feel good about. This is what's going forward. This is the story. i want you to leave with. That's powerful that's powerful. No matter what kind of information you convey. Do you think a lot of people in business are reluctant to use storytelling. Because they don't see that as business. Like oh i'm sure i left the corporate world Peter i worked in the corporate world for the seven longest months of my life. I got out got out okay. But at the same time i think people feel like talk about not being authentic i think some people in the corporate world think like well. I have to be corporate. I have to give the data and the numbers and give this information and by by loading up with facts i will be seen as smart and well prepared and all these other things. As opposed to sort of genuine and personable. You can put all those facts in a one sheet and hand them out to the audience. Let them read them when they go home. What's the story. And i feel like if they if more people in business were to embrace that idea of. Give me something you know like. I'm here in front of you either. I have to be because that's required to be at this meeting or want to be. Because i need the information. If you can leave me with a story. That is the thing i will remember. I will not remember the facts. I promise i won't remember the date of the numbers. The percentages but i will remember the story. Did you think of the meetings that we leave say they could have emailed that they could emailed that i know i remember once in the corporate the again seven months. I remember. i was once in a meeting about a meeting about a meeting and my visit like. I'm i'm in a dual birdie and nightmare now and you're right that's the thing and not only that one of the mistakes people make going back to audiovisuals is when they just read to you from their power points now as an audience member. Just sort of find that insulting. I was like why could read. You don't have to read it to me. I can just read it. In fact i'm already at the bottom and you're only halfway so now i'm a now board waiting to catch up to me. Just sitting there saying flip the slide. Yeah next i got it. I'm a quick reader next next next. I'm done i'm out here. But i understand. Some people do learn better by reading and visualizing but again those print them out and leave them if people want him. Tell me the story. Tell me why we're here. How did we get here and where we going. I think that's the kind of thing that's the eh little more inspiring in sorely miss. Yeah one of the mistakes people make too. I think is willie nelson shotgun willie. Ready said You can't make a record if you ain't got nothing say don't step in front of a microphone if you've got nothing to say and that sounds so basic and obvious but it's insane. How many people do it. They're just like oh say speech. Sure is this on. Okay here we go. I'm so and so and i I grew up here. Let me tell you about my childhood memories. And you're gonna what does this have to do with anything instead of like. you clearly. don't have a plan you're just rambling on a microphone. And now i feel like a hostage. I think it was richard branson who said if you have nothing to say. Don't take up an hour. proving that's right. Oh that's so true. Yeah and brevity right a rule seventeen of strunk and white omit needless words. How concise can you be. And i know when i'm doing a program. All i ever asked is. How much time do i have. If it's fifteen minutes. I will prepare for fifteen minutes. Don't let me get there on the day and tell me it's fourteen or seventeen right like it could be whatever you needed to be just. I need to know if it's thirty thirty if it's an hour it's an hour because i need to pace and plan for that time and i've meticulous like i. I keep a stop. Watch if i need to make sure there's a clock nearby going over is rude assistants because there's probably another speaker waiting to go up and i'm eating into that person's time if i can't say what i need to say that a lot time than i didn't prepare and i have no business being there so i think that's that's one thing that's important to and the other thing that inspires me. I i love to listen to Moth moth story our. I don't know if you ever fear fan. It's a podcast But it's also an npr show just regular people telling really great stories from the heart. And then i try to watch ted talks and they're all online. I specifically watch. Ted talks that are about subjects that i'm not even interested in astrophysics. Great because a really great public speaker can make me care about astrophysics. Even though i have no interest in it whatsoever so you know the ted talks are all on youtube. You can watch all of them and so i try to pick one out a day just like let's. Let's see what i can learn. Read also steal from this person about how they do what they do. How can i take that in. Apply to what i do. Now you've done a ted talk. Yes i did. I did a ted talk in new york city years ago. It was a boy you prepare you because you have ten minutes and the clock. The timer starts in. It's counting down right in front of you. It just there's a little more gravity to it because it's not just the audience there but you know this is going to be online and these guys get a lot of us now going back a little bit to where you said if i have fifteen minutes. Tell my i have fifteen. That's prepare for most of us. Have we've spoken long enough at one point where the six speaker of the day. Yeah and four of the five of taken too much time and if we're not cut completely then they say okay you were supposed to have a half an hour you now have ten minutes what do you do. I've also found. Especially if i'm at a conference in like one speakers backed right up against the other. I usually do a collection of stories in in my head. I know i can drop one so instead of being an hour i can get it to like fifty five or fifty four minutes. I would rather have five minutes. And i'll play music or something before i go on. Never silence you. Don't a silent room can just get two quiet and the great thing about starting with music. I've got like music. That's been composed for me. If i've licensed it and things like that and it sets the mood. I want depending on what i'm talking about and what's great about music. Is you turn it up just enough. That people have to talk a little louder to each other to talk over it and that gets their energy and then when it's time for me to start i just turn the music off. Oh it got quiet and everybody gets quiet. And i'm ready right. It's just a little bit of audience manipulation to let them know like. I don't even have to say ladies and gentlemen like it's just it's got silent and then i'll stand there. I'll actually stand there and say nothing and then it's really fun like people. Just get quiet and they look at you and they're like is frozen did he. Choke is is concerned. And i'm just like be ready and yeah you already all right. Let's go you know it becomes this sort of conversation. I'll wait for you. it's okay this is your show. I'm just the facilitator here. So i don't mind waiting for you and and it's kind of neat. That little bit of anticipation jeff our listeners. Learn more about you your books your programs. My website is my name jeff. Lange dot com. My website has all my programs. Lots of them are still virtual but in the fall. They're going to start being in person again. Thank goodness my websites. The best way. I'm also on twitter and facebook and instagram. and do my own podcast as well. It's it's a scripted story. It's not interviews or anything but it's it's the name of the podcast it's new england. Legends knowing legends a strange story from new england every single week about ten to twelve minutes. We have voice actors and sound effects and music. And it's just a fun weird story from somewhere in our region. Thanks so much for being here. It's been informative in funding which is a great combination. Well thanks. i didn't want to be bored or boring. thanks so much. Thank you peter king. 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The World's Most Haunted Places with Jeff Belanger

Truth Be Told

44:27 min | 1 year ago

The World's Most Haunted Places with Jeff Belanger

"It's the Halloween season and we are going to talk about ghosts, Goblins, mysteries, haunting 's, and we have a returning guest. We Have Jeff Belanger, not only talking about his latest book, the call of Kilimanjaro, but we're going to dive in some of his other books such as WHO's haunting the White House. The world's most haunted places, ghost of war and the ghost files I. Mean The list goes on and on with many of his books, we can't get enough because everyone has a story as ufo stories. Everybody has a ghost story and today on truth be told we are going to get into the spirit world I'm Tony Sweet and please welcome to truth be told the one and only Jeff. Belanger. What's going on? Thank you get to see you again asked I didn't get to see you now I can see I know it's it's a disappointment I. I know it's okay. I'm sure you've seen worse when some with some of the spirits so. Look Great. Well I'm glad to have you back in. We were talking before hand and he he let me have it saying, why is it only October that Jeff is on the show well, now I'm going to make an appoint that you're definitely gonNA come back in March for the book release of Abbey Great But But yeah I I mean this this time of year you know the the spirits are awake and well, they're always awake. But I think most people are more aware of it because we're getting ready for Halloween. and. That's a tradition that goes back. Thousands of years. You know it's. November I is one of the eight major holidays all around the world, right so that there's four big ones and those are the solstices and the equinoxes the world over the great easer holidays dictated by the sun and stars in the position of the Earth it's it's an exact moment. But halfway between each one, the half holidays are also significant and this one someone coming up November first. Is a time the Celtic people told us the veil between the world of the living and world is dead is at its thinnest and ghosts and monsters and infant ferries come into our world and meddle in our affairs whether it's true or not. We've had that drilled into us for thousands of years and we're not and that's not the only culture right list Martos. Days in November in Spanish cultures in Mexico and things like that. So the world over were thinking about ghosts by the end of October, and that's just turned into the biggest consumer holiday behind Christmas well, done everyone. Yourselves around plus for that. Well, you know what I might as well. Because we have this, we have this cheesy can't apply. So we might as well. I. Think I. Don't have control of that because they would just beyond the whole. Yeah. Every every other word. You know we because we do a lot of ufo shows also throughout the year and we we talked to a lot of people go to you have a ufo conferences. And everybody has a UFO story I mean they may not admit it at first and they said, well, this one time the this happened but the same with ghost stories. I, I don't know why people still. Have this fear of telling their story I don't know if they think. People are gonNA think they're crazy or or what it is but you know I had a story out I'm sure you've had a story before you even started doing this book writing books and research is Right, oh. Yeah. Sure. So I grew up around it you growing up an old new England I inference old houses were haunted and I thought wow. What do you mean haunted? Blood coming out of the walls and your heads around just some old guy lives here, and then he disappears and that was it and I went that's really strange in. So would break out the OUIJA board and try to make contact. I also grew up in the town next to Ed. Moraine warn. So from the conjuring. Annabel movies, and all that stuff. Those were their cases. So I knew them since I was twelve. So it's Kinda steeped in this stuff just grew up around it and intrigued and I get it in and once by the way once you start going down the rabbit hole. I. Why Stop Right. So I have had a UFO encounter as well. I'm also interested in Crypt I'm interested in time travel I'm interested in everything weird infringe because at some point right in for a penny in for a pound. Like let's look at everything I I don't WanNa. I. Don't WanNa look at just one thing and not another. I remember talking to a move on researcher in Illinois and he was telling me the story about how they were working on a case interviewing people really compelling and then the people said Oh. By the way we think our house is haunted. And any said Oh it was like someone farted in the car and. We're adding. Her go really like the line like you're here for one thing and one thing only and nothing else can exist, and so I'm of the opinion, the story to me is the most compelling thing we can argue about what's behind the story but the story itself exists, and that's the thing we chase whether you're chasing a ufo story or a ghost story or a crypt story whatever it starts with the story that found compelling enough that you're willing to go look for it and I think we've talked about this before about how ghost? bigfoot. UFO's are lot of very similar stories and I think there's Possibility even in with every single one of those. I agree. Because other dimensions I mean, how do we know that? Aren't ghost and. Goes Darn Alien. In some in some way. I agree I I, I think the the universe you know borrow a phrase right is weirder than we can understand right and we don't have all the answers and I understand how We live in a time when we're certain about so much and yet this post. Truth. Society. We find ourselves in now, which is so troubling. So very, very troubling. Opinion. Now is just as good as fact wherever you stand I'm not going to weigh in on politics, but it's just everybody's opinion now is as good as facts and. I on the one hand. I SORTA get it right we've been moving toward that You can't argue with people when you're talking about their religion right now this is true. It's my truth. There's there's no other can't argue with people when you're talking about their politics for the same reason and I. Feel like those of us in the paranormal we've been navigating these waters long before it got weird. Three in politics. We've been. We've been piloting ships through these sees like follow us. We know what we're doing right because we we we we deal in a belief and and religion and spirituality like all of that stuff kind of comes together in this big Gumbo. Where we work and I feel like the world could learn a lot from us. I. Keep telling them. They don't listen but I keep telling him. What you know Latest Book I mean, the world's most haunted places. This book can be reoccurring over and over because there's so many different haunted places around the world. I think you have series probably you know four, hundred eighty. Second by the you know by the end of your life because. This world is. Old and even humankind is old in paranormal has been here since day one. What. What made you want to branch out and because you know there's so many things like he's said around where you grew up there so many. Places on the East Coast that you could spend your rest of your life researching why did you branch out to the world's most taunted? Believe it or not. I started with the world like that my first book that's actually the second edition of my first book. So my place. So. No No. No. I mean. So I started with the world because I fell into the trap and my younger foolish years that all the cool stories are somewhere else somewhere far far away and it's easy to fall into that trap and you forget that wherever you live wherever that may be is far far away from someone else. Ed So, in in more recent years, I've really turned to looking at New England because this is home because it's very accessible to me I. Can I can drive there I can I can check things out I started a TV series called New England legends in a weekly podcast called New England's just explorer weird fringe stories and we throw it all on the table. We've done UFO's we've done many cryptic. We've done ghosts and we've done just like plain odd history so. As I'm moving forward. I'm finding that I I want to get. You know it's one thing to to scratch the surface of a bunch of stories. It's another to go in deeper to fewer and I'm finding that's more interesting to me as I move on in my career that I want more details, I want to really get into the meat of it and So anyway I think I've totally danced off your question of the world's most haunted places. There are very cool places far away from us as well. I'm not saying that's not true at all but the but that's where it started is just like how exotic can we be where can we look and how far away can we go and man I've been to Australia looking for newest I've been the Europe of in Africa Canada all over the US and I think that one thing that I found universally true is that there's an understanding of what a ghost is on every continent in in every culture. Even if we don't agree with what it is, but we know what we're talking about. So I mean I work with a of psychic mediums. Impasse healers But in the ghost world, you hear ghost spirits, demons, goblins, I mean we hear all these different types and people are like, what's what's The freaking difference? In your in your research have you ran into different types of? were, you would consider a demon or possession that is that just because people are confused maybe you can get it. I get and you know, and let us allow me to be a little mea culpa here on adding to some of the confusion I tend to use the word ghost in spirit interchangeably right because I like to vary my word choice. That's the writer in me I guess if you were a purist a spirit if you're really going like hardcore definition and I'm not a psychic medium or anything like that. But a spirit might be like the definition of an interactive intelligent entity, for example, grandma died two. Months ago and she's standing before you and said Hey I hit some money in my pillow case don't throw it away right so spirit a ghost would be more like the movie that plays over and over again it was there at one point but it's not there now. But some people pick up on that movie demon would be something that was never been and now you're really getting into belief system religious belief system when you're talking about demons because you have to believe that there is an evil force. That has these monsters that are literally here just to hurt us. I have not encountered what I would call a demon. However, I have worked on haunting stories related to people like Jeffrey Dahmer in San Berkowitz and folks that That conducted themselves in ways that was purely evil, and if you'd like to label the Adolf Hitler's of the world as demons or the Jeffrey, Dahmer of the world is demons I won't argue with you I mean that's that's as good a label for them as any other but I have not encountered what I believe to be a creature that's just pure evil looking to hurt me I've encountered stuff that I think is is more human nature and just as there are good people, there are bad people in the rest of us are somewhere in between. Did you ask anything else was goblins. I don't know what we what it, whatever you know what I'm saying. Everybody has you know it's like bigfoot sasquatch bottomless of. Different terms but in the spirit world, there are different meanings. So allow me to also MEA CULPA I wrote an entire book trying to answer the question What is it ghost? I wrote a whole book about it and I'm not even GONNA say title in case someone bonds bought it in wants a refund. The refund so. Allow me though to turn that whole book into like one sentence for you reicher a ghost is history demanding to be remembered. That could have could have fit that whole thing on just a bumper sticker. Coming to the present that's what a ghost is period because when when we're talking about. Events from the past that that still keep coming up that haunts us, for example, like the Lizzy borden house in fall. River. Massachusetts to two people were murdered inside that house and no one was ever punished for that crime assist fact and that Hans right in Amityville Long Island six people were murdered by their brother. Slash. Sun. And though he was caught and he is in jail to this day. It's such an atrocious horrible act that haunts us because we know it can happen again it does happen. Right? We hear stories, horrible stories of the evil people can do to each other and so those kind of things haunt us we keep talking about it. We get scared because we don't want be the victim we don't want it to happen to us. We don't want it to happen to people we care about. and. That's the power of the ghostly legend part of it. I personally believe there is a paranormal element to it a catalyst, but if nothing else, there's a story. and. Listen I. said I've worked with some of the top psychics in the world i. Believe in this stuff I in as a kid I. You know I saw my own ghost and spirit and my house I grew up with my nephew saw years later at about the same age we were kids you know I was a kid but. A lot of psychic. Say Tell the spirit. You're not welcome here. You can go to the light or whatever else, but I'm thinking. But that's the fun part about you know having the stories. Why would I WANNA Why would I want to stop that spirit from you know staying here and giving us something to talk about. But maybe at the story I, the only Le Let me address that because and know I'm friendly with some of the psychic sue and so on and look I. Have Never found a place that's haunted all the time right never have if it was I would buy it Tony. I. I charge you. To come see just a bit. There's the ghost always there opened the door wave, their regime ghost experience guaranteed. Stuff does not appear on q at least not in my twenty, five years of experience. So. To say I would clear it or send it on its way. It's not always there. I don't see it or people aren't always experiencing it. So how can I send it on its way? What power do I have I could suggest that but man nine times out of ten it comes back. You hear about it. Again, this place is clear and then weeks later the family says it's not I still have ghosts. I was GonNa ask you about that has is yeah, I mean this story continues right and and I I believe personally this is my own crazy theory I believe we summon them And I don't mean something like witchy teric cauldron kind of way I mean when you walk into a place. To. Turn that off as a pizza delivery ready or I'd. Wait So when you walk into a place in, you understand the the history of of what took place there and you start thinking about the people that maybe were murdered there, who lived there who who suffered their or whatever you're literally calling them up right you're you're pulling their energy into your brain and into the present you are summoning them. There must be some reason ghosts only go back like I dunno hundred, fifty years two hundred years beyond that. We don't hear about them so much, and the reason is we're not connected to. We don't talk too much about ghosts from a thousand years ago because we just there to abstract that we don't. We don't have good names and places and people that connect us to it but civil war we can say, Oh man, my great. Great great grandfather was in the civil war and this picture hung on my grandfather's mantle. And and like we're still connected to that and my gosh more than ever we need the we need the civil war to haunt us. Don't we especially today, right? We need to remember how bad it can get and and so I, think we summoned those spirits and so someone could come in and say. Forget about it. They're gone they're on the they're gone to the light and you could okay, they're gonna the late and you stop thinking about him for a couple of weeks and then you go. I wonder are they really English call him back and here's I believe that I believe that well, that's what makes sense to me. Well, in your travels, you know the world's most haunted places where did you find that? Some of the most active places I know here in California the Queen Mary is very active I. I'm trying to actually be right before covert I was I got approved to go in film and do some interviews there, and of course, than Kobe happen and that change that. So hope hopefully after it's over I can get out there but. Where where are some of the places that you actually seen not just heard but seen actively the most around the place that you've you've done your research. Yes so it doesn't happen for very often, but when it does I never ever forget it. The first time I, really saw what I thought was a ghost was in Paris France catacombs realize well, that's cool. Yeah and this was two thousand three I had already been writing about ghost for years at this point and not that disbelieved and I had experiences that I would say are Kinda like more spiritual. I can't tell you like a ghost I could just say like, wow I felt something sent something. But in this case, I was thirty meters below the city walking through tunnels surrounded by millions of human skeletons. and. Suddenly. In this long straightaway, I stopped because I see this shadow, the size of a man move from the right side to the left and go back again and I just went. Okay. Wait a minute now the tunnels narrow enough that might fingertips touch skulls on both sides and no one came from behind me. Then I thought okay. Maybe there's a little side tunnel there something and Nope, it's just a long straightaway and I went. All right. If that's not a ghost. I don't have another word for it and and in that moment I thought about the hundreds of people that I had interviewed about their ghost experiences and I said, all right. Well shoot. They're like me I was just in this place I wasn't summoning or looking or thinking or anything, and then it happened it's like it's like a lightning strike right you sometimes you're there when lightning strikes and I think that's what happened to me and I'll never forget it. It took days weeks months. To sink in like what it means and what it means for me what it means from from my own sense of spirituality, which is a definition that's getting added to and reworked everyday that I live But that moment was just such a game changer for me and I went back by the way years later I went back to those catacombs and I was down there with my wife and I said look this is where it happened. Let's go and I stood there and I'm like I'm ready. It's me Jeff I'm back. And Action. Nothing, nothing. She's Just crickets like, oh, she's like, did you go drink and before you? Know. In the morning and that's a fair question by the way I take. the first time I went. It was ten in the morning sound mind and body. I had a free day in Paris and and that's that's where I went. Other people were going to Leuven the Music Dorsey. I'm going underground. Yeah, I W- 'cause a lot of people ask you know is they think of cemeteries they always think of cemeteries being the most active behaviorally you know battlegrounds I couldn't even imagine like normally did you ever have a chance to go to Normandy or talk to anybody about? Or battle big battles like that over overseas. Yes. So my my grandfather, my mother's father stormed the beaches really. Yeah. He he was not in the first wave, but he was in like the the days after as as more troops funneling in He was there and you know lost friends I remember him telling me stories about. My grandfather man he had the best attitude. He told me stories about how he's racing through France and the guy in front of him is gunned down and killed the guy behind him gunned down and killed, and he's untouched and he said I always figured there must be some reason for that and he just lived every day of his life like this is amazing like every sandwich he ate was just like this is awesome. Everything was just awesome and and and and I remember hearing those stories as a kid just an in thinking like I can't imagine people around getting gunned down and no bullets touch me and that's You. Know you wonder Guardian Angels not your time dumb luck random chance use whatever label you want. But that creates a powerful emotion to that place. So go to Normandy if you go to those beaches. You know what happened there I. Think it's pretty easy to put yourself in that place though I have not been to Normandy have been to like Gettysburg. At. Multiple Times and when you stand and say Devil's den and you realize there were people that were told you know, hey, at nine thirty were charging that hill and you know like if you're if you're waiting behind a rock or whatever you know at nine thirty and ten seconds you're going to die there's no weather. No because everyone before you didn't make it up the hill, you're not either. But you're going to do as you're told because you're going to try and I in minutes, and that must the fear that angst like all those human emotions I think they just soak into the earth and if you're another fellow human being you tune into it and I just call that empathy I don't even call it psychic I call that regular empathy. I mean if like everything everything has an energy, an energy never dies I mean. So it's the same thing. There's there is an energy that was embedded. There and I consider myself that path and I you know like citing psych when you get the. Goosebumps that type of thing that's an energy. So it's like we take a magnet or some lifts your hair. It's the same thing. It's it's a some type of energy. So Let's stay on path for one second. That's talking about getting feelings when you go to places how about when you go to visit family or friends and you walk in and you just go oh, something's wrong. Okay like. You're sad I can tell that you are said that is empathy right and we all and you if you don't experience that and some people don't by the way, there's a word for it and that word is psychopath. No it's he's Been Empathy. Then that's trouble right you should be able to pick up on the emotions of other living people and if you can pick up on other living people then. Why not people that were there before? You said you you did some traveling and you went to Australia give some of the places in Australia because you know here in America, we don't really hear much about the Australian haunted most haunted places. So give us a couple places down there. So the I I got to go to manning quarantine station and this place was brutal right outside of Sydney. This is where this was like their Ellis Island. You know when when immigrants were coming to Australia, they had to go through the man in quarantine station and they were just the aussies were brutal. Hey, did you sneeze get in the room right? You're not you're not going onto the mainland until we're sure you're not sick and they put you in a room full of people that might have yellow fever, all kinds of other stuff. So you could just had a cold before, and now you're in the room with yellow fever and you know you're. Going to get that. So they, they would separate families people died by the truckload on this island because they didn't want any sick strange diseases coming into the country and you can still walk around the old barracks, the old bunk houses and things like that, and this is just one of those places where again when you know the story when you know the history, you can just imagine like being pulled away from your parents or your kids pulled away from you and thrown into one of these rooms because they're sick and you may never see them again and what that must feel like that those emotions he just it just tears your heart out. To me, that's the big one 'cause that's literally the gateway to Australia was the in quarantine station. Also, got to go to jail an old jail north of Sydney and You know a a jails, a jail I don't. Right. I. Mean It's bars. It's stonewalls and your freedom is taken away and. Empathy again, you tuning into what it must have been like to be those inmates. I. Another thing was we we hear a lot about is old psych wards mental institutions. have you ever had a chance to go? At, night or mostly I probably would want to go during the day but. At night in into one of these facilities that maybe is even close down. Now how was that? How was that was that feeling? Yeah. No that's kind of my thing So for the last twelve years I've also my day job has been working for the show ghost adventures and as a writer and researcher. So and season to the show we started working on a place called Penn her style right in Spring City Pennsylvania sort of near Philadelphia down there in the corner. And when I first started working on it, I thought okay asylums and asylum. The stories are so similar between all of them. These great facilities were built. People were treated really great and humanely they were getting better. They lived as good functional lives lost funding sank conditions got overcrowded. I mean, this story just repeats right across the nation all around the world. Really. Penn hearst was so bad that there's now a federal law called the pen hearse law about how you can and can't treat people with mental disabilities because of atrocities that took place inside these buildings. And I spoke to this was the nineteen seventies by the way, nineteen seventies to play not the dark ages not the you know and so I mean patients were kept a dog Kennels they just wild and they didn't have the people to take care of him. If you bit someone more than once they pulled your teeth out so you could invite people in. And just it was horrible like absolutely horrible. There it is pinhurst asylum. So This place is just one of those. You can't forget it the first time I walked inside. I just got this feeling of sadness and well being inside of there. We went down below there's tunnels that connect some of the many buildings and I'm down there. I was actually with Zaken with my friend Dave schrader we're getting ready to film at night and we hear this like laughter way deep in the distance in this tunnel, and then there's cold blast of air just who right by us. and. We just looked at each other and my thought was like this building wants to talk. and. I mean that like it's got something to tell us in something to teach us right because if we tell this story, if we hold up this mirror to America and say look at ain't always pretty Maybe. There won't be another pen hearst in the future, right maybe I mean these are the least of our people we have to take care of them if we if we don't who will. these are people's children and brothers and sisters, and cousins, and so on, and they were treated worse than you would ever treat an animal. So I think sometimes the place is haunted because it should be and pen hearst is definitely one of those places like you said to be reminded to never forget that's. My mom was in a nursing home and you know definitely, it was a va nursing home and they you know they treated him well but it just I couldn't imagine you know the end of your life. You know in that would be your last impression on life in I'm sure that's why a lot of times like you say haunting. are still around because you know it wasn't what they wanted needed. In thought that their life would end that way. So I still think though like. My grandma was in a nursing home and last thing in the world she wanted last thing but nobody wants. Nobody, you know. Although I always joke with my mom and she's like, can you help me open this pickle jar on Mike, you're going in the home. Can't take care of yourself. Obviously. Your MOM's. Ten minutes. I think that that that guilt is ours right? Like that's they're gone. They're not staying around there. That's not where they're gonNA haunt. They're free now but that guilt. Eats it us in haunts us like Oh could I have taken? Could I quit my job and taking care of Mama Grandma home or could i. have done this or could I have done that and those are the things that literally haunt us and I think we kind like call up this impression, call the spirit of them because we we all wrestle with those things right? How do you live your own life? How do you respect the past respect each other and then you know not be haunted. I David Bowie I'm big Fan. I once heard him say that he writes songs and music to deal with his ghosts. Not as demons is ghosts in his point was if I deal with them while they're ghosts, then they don't become demons while and I was like. So profound man. If. It's all of us. He's just talking about writing songs. I'm talking about living life same story though. And I. Think you're actually bringing up a great point I mean you know People are like, are we talking about the the book but the thing is it it really is we can learn a lot from. Like you said the ghost past if we just do the research, you know the asylum's the house did Jeff Jeffrey Dahmer's victims or whoever whoever it is. We can actually learn a lot about. How we should. Live our life live up to the fullest or something like that. Only forget we were talking about the book and I know, no, it's good. No, it's. Funny though because you know. To me, this is bigger rate. It's when I first started I'm like ghost stories. But I found so much more meaning in them over the years that it's just so much more than just knocks on the wall and and entails that gives you chills. It's those two and Bil- means like have fun with it. Sit around the campfire makes Moore's let's tell those stories but to me like. It's just so much bigger and mean so much more and can actually like help us and and maybe maybe save the World Tony. It's my sincere hope the right ghost story Avis all well, you know in in you've had a life changing experience that made you write this next book. And like I said, how does it tie into? You know all your books you've written on Ghost. Hunting's and stuff like that. So the call of Kilimanjaro. Tell us how this book relates to what you have been writing about in what inspired you to do this. So Mount Kilimanjaro. I sort of I heard about it in the eighties. Thanks to the toto song by Africa. Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus of the ceremony. So I always had this like neat fascination with Africa in College I took two semesters of Swahili kind of a long story that we don't have to get into. That's why he leaves the language of east African. My Mom's like when you ever gonNA use that. So I I like mountains, I've been a hiker since college I, I live in New England hike the White Mountains and I love getting away from it all and and doing all that. So Kilimanjaro had been on my bucket list for years. And then a few years ago two, thousand, thirteen, my brother-in-law got cancer. And he was at the time, he was forty, four and young. And and it was one of these one of these cancers that you know he was losing weight and then they ran some tests at one day. His doctor calls him at work and says. Come down here right now don't make an appointment. Don't wait for the end of the day stop whatever you're doing in down here, and he knows that's not good. Any learns he had stage four cancer fully metastasized and he's got eighteen to twenty four months to live. And he and I got a lot closer during that those two years right and so we we talked a lot. My sister was in denial. She didn't WanNa talk about it You know he said I'm going to fight but in reality he just sunk into a deep depression and I'm not judging I. Don't know how I would face a death sentence like that. But after a while after about a year, he's conditions getting worse but his mental attitude is getting better and we're talking a lot about this really slow dance with death and he called me and he said look you're into some weird stuff and I think that's totally fair and he said I'm going through something pretty weird and I said that is also totally fair. You know most of us, death is supposed to be a surprise. You know you go to bed one night and you don't wake up you have a heart attack it's over car accident boom. It's done. You're not supposed to see it coming for two years like that's that's a brutal. Brutal thing to go through. Bright. So as he got near the end, he was having these out of body experiences where he talked about Starting to see things and so on, and he would only talk to me about it because he knew about my background. and. So when he got to the very end, you know we talked about these this deeply spiritual thing that he was going through and this this guy was practically an atheist when I met him. And near the end, he was just this like golden being of light just no no anger to anybody just just at peace with everything that was happening forty six years old, which is the age I am right now and. I went to see him and. This was his last days right and. We spoke for hours about how? These out of body experiences he was having all day long now and I said, what do you think it means and he said I think there's something inside this broken machine that's getting ready to to wiggle out and stay out. And I went. Wow, i. mean that's that's amazing. And then he passed away and My. My nephew was five years old at the time and my sister of course was a mess about it and he got real close at the end. Six months later, I was at a paranormal event and a woman from the Leukemia Lymphoma Society said Hey Jeff. We got this fundraiser going on I did this light the night walk for them once where we walked like two miles down downtown Worcester Massachusetts and raised a thousand bucks for a fight blood cancer. And So I was like avium super busy but if I can help I'll help and then We're going to climb Mount Kilimanjaro to raise money for fighting blood cancer and I went. What It is Kili and I said Kilimanjaro the one that I've been thinking about since childhood the one that's been on my bucket list I just lost my brother-in-law who is not that much older than me months ago to cancer and I can raise money for cancer and I, and I was just like yeah I mean. And a trained and I raised money for leukemia, Lymphoma Society and I transformed my body and for like a good almost year I was so singularly focused on this huge task nineteen, thousand, three, hundred, forty, one fish. And one of the seven summits the highest summit on the whole continent of Africa. And we get out there is six days to get to the top two days to get down. And it was I figured it would be a powerful experience, but I had no idea just how powerful. Physically transformative, spiritually transformative each days you get up into thinner and thinner air. You know the Messiah people say that the Summit of Kilimanjaro is a place that only God dwells and only those deemed worthy are allowed to go there. And by the time, we were trying to make for the summit on the last night we start at midnight and you go from fifteen thousand feet to nineteen thousand feet and it is so hard to breathe. It's hard to describe the best analogy I can give you is go take a drinking straw. In your mouth or just very through that, and now sprint down the street and try to keep enough air and it's just that you know desperate for air. and. It was so cold and I'm a New England Guy Man I can handle the cold like. It was as cold as it's ever been in. It's his dark as it's ever been. That's Chris. I'm holding a picture of Chris Right there and as we get higher and higher up I can't do this. I. Mean I I didn't I'm like I got to turn back and then I just saw this little sliver of light on the horizon and I remember thinking. All right. The Sun's coming sunrises coming. Let me just push a little higher. By the time the sun broke through, we were right at the rim of the volcano about eighteen thousand, eight, hundred feet a place called Stella Point, and I saw the sunrise and. Tony I will never forget the feeling I, felt. The presence of Creator. God. Whatever label you WANNA use I felt judged and I felt deemed worthy and I knew in that instant even though the summit was still another five hundred vertical feet and another like forty five minutes away it's a done deal I knew I would make it right there I felt Chris next to me. It was so deeply spiritual. And and it it changed everything right? It changed. Yeah. They're still a point and then you can see it kind of goes around and that's the summit is up off to the right there. and. You know once by the summit was was almost anticlimactic. The trophy for playing but but the big moment was seeing that sunrise and feeling that connected in a place that you know there's no life there's no bugs there's no plants. It's this nothing grows up there. It's just you and this mountain and it was just absolutely spiritual transformative and I can close my eyes right now and go right back there and I'll never forget it and I came back and I just started writing and I wanted to try to capture that I took sixteen hundred photos of the. Full of pictures. Yeah. Everything was a man Tony Everywhere you I'm sure just like Oh my God look at that Oh my God look at that and and I I'm one of those people that. So goal oriented like I just want to get to the top and bought a really good camera for throughout my training and I said I WANNA learn to slow down and taking photos was part of my way to do that was to say like. If I'M GONNA document this I have to slow down I have to appreciate the the little tiny beauty of the you know getting up close the big beauty of these. Incredible. Views that go out for endless miles and and it forced me to really look at the world and look at myself and I feel like I came back at a different man it's. It's the. Magus, we can make this up, but it's death helped you live Of course and and I mean you know that cheesy country song right live like you're dying and it's it's cheese but it's true. You know you listened to it and you go. Yeah I get it that. You know you start asking the goal what do I still want to accomplish? What do I wanNA leave things on the table here you know the I don't know how long I have what if what if I get that call from the doctor saying man something's wrong. you never know you have no idea and so I wanNA have adventures I wanna find great stories tell great stories in and make sure my own story is something that's worth reading. Well, we just have a few minutes left and I can't believe it's already been forty-five minutes and. But we'll have to have you back this and people in Timothy in the chat room said God bless you. You're a man of great courage and inspiration for those struggling with the loss of a loved one. So I think it's it's I'm sure this book will you know? All the other books have been entertaining and but this one I think is going to be more entertaining, but it's also going to be inspiration. So thank you for doing that. Yeah it's Funny Tony I. Mean I've always written other people's stories. You tell me about your ghost experience and Research. The history and I love that and I will continue to do that. However man, this is naked as I've ever been right. This is my story. This is deeply personal and so. You know look I read the I read on Amazon reviews of course I do like you know every other I know doesn't that and and sometimes people say mean things in there and you know you let it roll off but I'm telling you right now folks one mean thing on this book and I'm GonNa cry like a baby. I'll try not to I'll put on a brave face but man it's going to hurt because this is deeply personal well. People are better not or negative do tony sweet noise kidding tell people you have your podcast until every how to get a hold of you listen to you all that good stuff. Yeah. So the weekly podcast is called New England legends. It's super short like ten to twelve minutes is. Once, a week We just it's. It's a scripted with voice actors and music and sound effects. Just one weird story from somewhere in. New. England. every single week and been doing that for three years and it's free anywhere. You get podcasts you can subscribe for free and that's been a lot of fun my websites, Jeff Belanger dot com, I'm currently on a story tour of virtual story tour doing these Umi. Things. Every single night where I I show some of the places I band. There's pictures I. Tell Stories and because I'm stuck at home like everybody else I'm actually changing the program every single night. So it's like a band that knows one hundred songs in each play ten in tomorrow be a different, Tan and. To. Yeah it's just been. It's been You know on the one hand it's great because I'm reaching more people and It's intimate I'm in their homes instead of in a building. But man, I miss seeing faces because I I do this every year and I miss being in spaces with people and being able to give hugs and shake hands and all that other stuff. But this is the next best thing. So this is what we're doing. Well, we appreciate you and you're gonNA, come back in March. For the release of the book, because this book actually does not even get released until March, right? That's right and I I can send you tons of photos. If you WANNA show him while we're talking Oh. That'd be great. Yeah. I'd be glad to do that. It's it's Tony this is a place that like I mean I promise you I will go back I will do that mountain again like this when I got the the minute I got down before I even showered after like over a week you know. Oh there's no way I'm GONNA go the rest of my life and not do that again. I'm to hide so I don't know if I could do it but I Yeah I'm sure that's a that's A. Challenge for me people trying to get to jump out of an airplane I'm like Hail No. Yeah. So maybe maybe in that to. See it. Because it scared me it's the only I. Did it once 'cause it scared me and? Yep. Never, forget it. I'll. I'll enjoy it through your vision. So Well everybody. Thank you for tuning in. For Truth be told Jeff is one of our alumni and like a. he's a good friend of ours now and he'd been for a couple of years now and So make sure you check him out check out his podcast everything he's doing good. He's books and support him. It's important that we keep this these legends going and until next time Tony Sweet on truth be told we're out of here. Take care. Bye.

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The future of awesome support for this podcast comes from goldman sachs what goldman sachs experts and leading thinkers have to say about trends shaping markets industries and the global economy stay informed with the latest insights from goldman sachs on the economic and market implications of covid nineteen available on our podcasts at gs dot com slash cova nineteen or any of your favorite podcast platforms. Now here's a highlight from coast to coast. Am on iheartradio and welcome back to coast to coast. George noory with your jeff belanger with us author adventurer podcasters storyteller and explore of the unexplained. He's written at least more than two dozen books. He's the emmy nominated host writer and producer of the new england. Legend series on pbs. The amazon prime also he also hosts and produces a weekly do england legends podcast and provides programs and lectures to audiences all over the planet. His latest work is called. The call of kilimanjaro. Jeff welcome to the program my friend. How're you how's the family george. Good to be back with you. Thank you it's I'm doing okay. You know in these strange times my family's okay. We all have our health so You know we're very grateful. I miss our live events jeffrey. I miss seeing you in in the flesh now. All the great meetings. We've had in times like that. I miss those days. So do i so georgia. I've been doing a ton of these zoom programs for libraries and different organizations all over on the one hand great right because there's there's you know no no travel involved in stuff like that but it's just not the same as being able to look into people's eyes shake their hands. Meet them in person. I miss it so much. Doing zoom for the ozark martin ufo event in next month. Then i'm doing contact in the desert the in june. But you're right. There's nothing like people get where you can look at them in the highs and make them laugh make them cry. Make them go no. He didn't say that. I think. I think it's coming around. I do. i have this feeling. It just feels like we're getting there. And i'm hopeful but i'm an optimist absolutely. I'm going to get into in the second half of the program tonight. Your call of kilimanjaro can't believe you climb that thing. How high up did you go. Nineteen thousand three hundred wants. But who's counting did you. You winded when you got up there. There's very little oxygen up there. i was way more. I was beyond winded. I was pretty much out of my head God struggling for breath. Did you have a oxygen tank or anything like that. Our guides had one. But i was fortunate to Not needed. we're only ten minutes. You gotta start making your way back down Because the air is just so very thin but it's it's just it was just so life changing so life changing wrote a book about it. You sure did. It's called the call of kilimanjaro. And i gotta say the cover is fantastic. Thank you i i. I'd love to take credit. Why did it take the top photo of the mountain. that was me but yeah no. The publisher did a did a great job and just You know it was such a visual experience and tanzania. I took sixteen hundred photographs of. I've spent six days getting to the top as getting back down. I i felt like a pilgrim during a unique part of my life by the the the the the print. This is a heavy heavy book. Physically heavier you you Spared no expense getting these pages together. Full-color has the dozens of the photos that i took and it was. I think that would be you know. It was such a visual experience. And i wanted to be able to do my best to try to take people through it step by step. Because i'm i mean i i'm not a mountain climber is my first big mountain and so i'm not i'm just sorta like the every man when it comes to this. I just had a big dream about it and it was just so empowering to to do all this and deeply spiritual that part. I didn't see coming. We'll get into this mission and the right at the half. It's an amazing trip now. You're still podcasting are you not. Yeah every week haven't missed a week even during covert having fun. Yeah it's it's you know. I i love getting these these stories that i know people consider from the fringe but but it doesn't feel so fringy anymore does it you know talking about. Ufo's and monsters and ghosts and haunts and all these other things. I it just feels an i mean coast to coast has played a huge role in that. You know as far as making it accessible and making it something that we can talk about And so it just feels like more people are willing to share those stories which is what humans have done for since we walked out of africa. All those many millennia ago right we share stories with each other. And that's how we bond that's how we learn and grow and so So yeah just gathering the strange tales and and of course we learned too that history has a way of repeating and whatever we're in We've been here before. So i know during covert. I've been doing a lot of stories on new england. Vampires because vampires. Of course we're related to consult victims another plague that has killed by the way consumption or to bring us as we know it better today has taken one billion that's with a b billion lives between the year eighteen hundred in the year. Two thousand worldwide. This is a huge global killer. It still is in some countries It's still a huge problem in so during times of plagues people get scared. Which were all too aware of. And and sometimes they don't make rational decisions and then we start to blame. Vampires including exhuming bodies of suspected vampires tearing their hearts out burning them up feeding the ashes to people that are are sick with consumption in the hopes of break. The vampire spell. We've been telling these stories because it's kind of like hey. The sounds eerily familiar even though it was two hundred years ago or a hundred and fifty years ago. It doesn't sound too far off from where we are right now. No that's fantastic. A vampire stories are unbelievable. to aren't they look so they've been around a you know when we hear vampire. Now we think about a bram stoker and we think about all the great movies that have come around in the last century but but long before vampires were sexy alluring or transformed into bats or anything like that they were walking corpses who drained the vitality the lifeblood of the living and imagine someone. You love is sick with tuberculosis. And you come in in the morning to check on them in their beds and there's blood on the corner of their mouth on their chin and on their neck and night-clothes and you say oh my goodness you know they've been attacked by something. I mean w- now we know. Of course they were coughing their own blood as their lungs are literally being eaten up. Live by the virus but But you look at that and you hear stories of vampires and you see your loved one wasting away and it's just doesn't suddenly not too far of a leap to think that something literally attacking them well last week. Run defoe died. The murderer of the devil horror stories right. That was a bizarre program. You've looked a little bit at that story. Have you ever been to the house. I've been in. So i went to hofstra university on long island and that's where i went to college and i remember my freshman year You know i was into this subject back then to and you know you're meeting people and what were you from an friends at. Oh amityville said no kidding. He said yeah. You want to go see the house. I said yes i wanna go see the house So i've been. I've never been inside but i've been in in front of it there on ocean avenue. It's been renumbered. Those famous windows are long gone. But when you stand in front of it it's it's pretty obvious that's the house and the thing about it. Is that you know. Six people were murdered in that house. That's not some made up myth or legend that happened. Yeah right. I mean this and by the murderer was their son slash brother absolutely gruesome. You know and is interested in this subject as i am. I would never wanna live in a house like that. You know if you gave it to me for free. i wouldn't wanna live. There's too much horror there. Yeah no for sure. Yeah and so. I was fortunate to To to get rid. Really one of the last interviews with george lutz years ago and this was about the time that the third amityville movie had come out and he and i talked for hours about Everything that he'd experienced in that house from you know from first looking at it to moving into moving out and then everything that transpired since and put it in in one of my older book called out. live this full interview. And i've since Gotten a little bit friendly with one of one of his step kids with christopher and heard the story from his perspective this just grips us right because like like you and i just said like hey if you gave us that house we don't wanna live there. But but they bought it and they knew they knew what they were buying and it was fresh then it was only. The crime was only a year old when the when the lessons move in moved in so this this house has a power to it and when you stand in front of it i remember just looking at it and you kinda gulp. You know. this is where something awful took place in this very nice upscale neighborhood where the houses are pretty close together and and they don't welcome people to gawk at this at all which i understand but at the same time you know some infamous history was made right there. You're still doing. Paranormal shows for the travel channel. Aren't you yeah. So i'm still working on a ghost. Adventures and the writer and researcher for twelve years every episode and then But i've also been part of this this new series of shocks that they're doing on travel and discovery plus and And those have been interesting. Because it's it's not so much Paranormal investigation as like historical investigation. Which is my. I love that. That's my favorite part is to kind of pick apart. How these these things came together and the shock talks are looking at Some of the some of the cases that made it into the popular culture. Like amityville. Obviously what you know once it becomes a hollywood movie and it's on everybody's minds And then of course. The story changes and evolves at breakneck. speed You know that. Then we're we're trying to get down to the roots of of what actually happened devils road. The story of ed and lorraine warned. Did you ever meet them. So i grew up in sandy hook connecticut. That's where i was That's where i was you know did most of my growing up in ed and lorraine warren lived in the next town of monroe so i knew eddin lorraine since i was twelve years old Went to the same churches lorraine saw them in the in the grocery store and back then i mean they were real local celebrities. You if you've talked about a haunted house were the go people especially in connecticut and new england area. It's hot you know. The warrants investigated this place and that was all you had to say right and so i remember being at their house in Interview that was one of my first big interviews when i was like eighteen and writing for a local newspaper was to interview them for halloween. So i've seen their collection. I've been in their house. I've interviewed them at various locations. And so yeah. I got to know them over the years. And it's it's it's fascinating how they're seeing such a revival right now posthumously They've both passed away now and Because of the movies because of the conjuring movies that have become so famous and fun. I love those movies but very little fact in them. Of course you know. Great fun you know. Jump scares and all the things you like scary movies but Very little fact and what's scary is some people view these movies and think that they are documentaries. Not hollywood films. And they're not they're just you know. They're they're fantastical you know roller coaster rides but they are not based too heavily on fact. And so there's there's almost some setting the record straight Work to do. And some of these cases. We'll anybody ever replace them. Jeff oh boy everybody's trying everyday right so many Ah but you know what anyone ever replaced. George noory and the answer is no. There's one george noory. Well there's one jeff belanger and you shouldn't no one should even strive to be someone else you should just strive to be yourself and put your own mark on on on the work that you do. And and that's an and so anyone looking at them like sure husband and wife team. She was the psychic medium. Ed was charming painter storyteller. Ed was at could could work room. Did you meet him. Did you ever get some never met them. Yeah and i remember being in high school and they would hold these around halloween. Of course they would hold these programs where they would share some of their evidence and play just chilling audio audio messages and show you photographs and video clips and you'd sit there and ed was just so charming and the rain was like grandma just called everyone honey and i remember being in their house and this was before the internet and their phone number was listed you could just call monroe and ask for their their names and you'd get their their their home phone and all day long phone would ring and ring and the rain would answer it and should you hear one side of it yes honey oh that sounds bad honey oh is there a ouija board in the house all you gotta get rid of that honey and then she would hang up and the that same conversation would just happen again and again just people calling and calling and and and they helped if they could you know they went to the homes that sounded really interesting and they investigated and came at it from a very religious point of view from a very roman catholic point of view you know ed ed called himself a demon He was looking for demons. Not just run of the mill. Ghosts and i think that's something that set them apart. Pretty early on set them apart from like the hans holzer's and the brad steiger's of the world and you've touched a little bit on the exorcism with the individual who was exercised the little boy Yeah the exorcist Book and movie The one of the shocks was the exorcism of roland. Go rolling del with the actual boy that went through an exorcism dough being the anonymous. Last name like john doe or jane doe But this boy This this story is really interesting because it became the basis. William peter blatty used it as the basis for For writing the book the extra system then of course later the movie the the real case is it's fascinating you know. The boy was from From maryland but went through all these extra systems in saint. Louis and i've been to the house in saint louis where he stayed. I've been into the The museum there and saint louis has the cross on display. That's right and it's such an interesting museum. They've got so much fun stuff. And then right by i think an elevator. There's just this one cross with a little bitty sign that said this is the cross that hung outside the alexi brothers hospital where rolling doe went through some of his systems. And the the the case like when you hear about the actual real case which by the way the movie has almost zero to do with it other than this was an exit case that made it into the papers and inspired william peter blatty but there's there's strange stories like the furniture from the room and the alexi in brothers hospital Was was kind of like quarantined after that exorcism and then it went into storage and then it went into storage at a nearby military base and then it vanished and just furniture hospital beds and things like that like why should that matter at all. Who would care just destroy. Throw it away if you're really afraid of it but why keep it in storage and then to the point where it was it was lost and now nobody knows where it was. I mean my assumption is that it's probably some clerical thing where a room full of junk and eventually no one asked about it for so long that someone did just dispose of it but still became this mystery Because i remember we tried to find it years ago. We were trying to hunt down because this is a case. That blew into something huge. It eventually became the basis for this wildly popular and still holds up frightening movie. That scared us. You know scared us about what what. Things are lurking After innocent children. What what drives you pushing the paranormal. I guess i want. I want my own answers you know. I'm not out to prove anything to anyone in the world but me. I have big questions just like everybody else i. I was raised catholic and i. I can't escape that that's my upbringing. And i think about the stuff. I learned back then and i think maybe because of my catholic upbringing you know it occurred to me along the way so with catholics. We have god and we have the devil and we have angels and we have demons and we have centers and we have saints and we have purgatory. I mean that is a whole spectrum right. This you have everything in between is in there somewhere represented and Room for just about anything. You can imagine in the paranormal For my perspective anyway. And so i just kinda wanna know how does work. It is it really. There are these feelings. I have inside from me or from someone else. And then you know once once you start looking into ghosts and you hear about the experiences of others and you have some of your own experiences. You start really. I don't know. I can't help but i just want to delve in deeper and deeper and i wanna know how come some things catch. Fire like rolling does story. Why does his story catch fire and the tens of thousands of other exorcism stories are are are sort of kept quiet. You know why. Why did we talk about some buildings being so very haunted and the ones right next door that are just as old or older We don't there's something in us and and call it some. You know six cents that we all have whether we acknowledge it or not. Call it some Tapping into some know universal subconscious or something. I don't know. But i want to know and i want to become part of those stories. I can't help it you know it's like if you if you hear about a really good restaurant you know like i wanna go. I wanna go eat there. I want to find out what all the fuss is about. Or you know a fun roller coaster at a at a theme park. I wanna ride. I wanna see if it's a scary as they say we can't help it. We we want to be the judge at the end of the day. And so i think that's that's a big part that just drives me and then once you start having some of these experiences and once i got a taste for it and learning that. There's just so many stories that make our communities unique and that connects to each other and to our history. It's just it's addicting I've made some of the best friendships of my life. I've seen incredible places because of this work. And i think all of that because we're talking about something deeper than just you know the weather. You know sports politics. Whatever we're talking about like some really deep really human experiences an issue's important stuff listen to more coast to coast. Am every weeknight at one am eastern and go to coast to coast am dot com for more children's national hospital in washington. 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I Dont Want To Wear Bra's! 6ix9ine Is Back, Black Men ARE FORCED TO Move Different |EP#101

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I Dont Want To Wear Bra's! 6ix9ine Is Back, Black Men ARE FORCED TO Move Different |EP#101

"Happy Tuesday happy day. What is going on if you want Shell Cokes a patriots. Simpson's I'm joined by my lovely wife man. We got a lot to get into. I'm excited because for the last month or two we've been going through like quarantine news corentin radio and finally we actually have some topics that have been slowly coming out of the news and we can talk about this like finally getting back to somewhat of a regular like content schedule type thing happening so that's great man man man man. I really WANNA get into this Ahmad all berry Georgia shooting but I feel like since heavy thing. I'm going to ease in. I'm GonNa tell her that for the end of this close to the end of this episode. Because I have to say And it's something that you should have made our I'll go over also But what I really wanted to get into that but I don't want get to deepen into my Tom Oceans Some things I want to touch touch on is six. Nine is back in this. Ooh ooh ooh so. That doesn't mean much to me. I mean in a sense. It doesn't but it's still like it. I don't know it's interesting. When someone's like was on man like it was interesting. He went from like this kid's annoying like why population that to just being like pretty much like the most hated in a community of music outside. And it's I give them credit for what you do and He got will. You don't know about this. But he got exposed recently so he was in someplace suppress probably in the HAMPTONS. He did like some instagram video of him. Like you know Shona Julie on like a back like deck Of the House staying at their like police cars out front and It's like one of those we've been looking at places so it's like one of these communities. Houses are relatively close to each other so he a house I was behind him and it was like with Like a teenage girl was able to see she was like should I guys like? How am I going to six times here? Taking pitchers and she like she literally pans camera over. Tila balcony and you could see literally the Alpha Hewish wearing an instagram video. That just went up and I'm just like oh so he got exposed and the police. They had like move him because post like image like someone. Wentz like where? It was in like a pitcher out in like those four police cars out front. And it's just it's just crazy. People are weird. I don't I don't blame that girl for being like yeah. I'm excel her so much but I wouldn't just go to the house and just be like like I never understood these people who show up like at celebrities houses or like all that kind of stuff first of all meet them of all. They don't WanNa meet you their third of all it's rude. Would you want someone to be doing that to you? Just saw do that to eminem out like a two weeks ago. This guy busted in and like freaked Eminem our security at the at the Beck and call so he called for security and he got kicked out and charge no itself and I'm like you bring someone else in his pop up like that's even worse. I'm talking about even like the people who just like your like being a creeper and standing outside this person's house now what's the. What does that do like when Jake Paul was pop and he had team? Taus thing and like like all the time you have parents and all that stuff. I don't I don't understand it and I say this. Because fifty for a brief period he lived in Connecticut. Cool and I feel like we was he maybe in the Farmington area something like that and like was been interested in knots. Like I'm not gonNA stay outside and be like. Oh my God I'm GonNa wait for you. Know his car to pull in the gay soap in. And Oh my God but just like checkout like that street it'll be interesting in itself three sure but like people who literally just camp out there. It's kind of weird and like it's not. It's not worth my time. What are you looking to accomplish out of that because also like yeah if they come out? Do you think about it. Would you WANNA be harassed when you're trying to leave your house like go to work or go like whatever you're GONNA do? Would you WANNA be harassed for like an autograph a picture or whatever like you're just trying to leave your house so like do you really think that's the best way to go about it? You and what's funny is I was watching an interview going back to fifty. And he found it interesting how he was like he Used to have like a a workout like a plea workout in south and he just like you to walk by. And you're like you'll feel motivated doing it so he he does like like some Jimmy Connecticut and I'm like I'm not sure where by assume it's not like some little planet. Fitness gym cost like a couple couple of hundred for membership. And he's like he's like when he's there normally dollars him but you normally like hold up and like headphones like what he's focused like. No one's going to be like. Hey like you stay in zone so interesting that like you know. It's probably like yeah. That's jam like a high like an expensive one like whatever because also less people can afford it. Whatever like is the next step up from like an la fitness or something? I'm not sure what that would be but I can imagine it being something that expensive. It's a few steps up. I remember when I went to physical therapy back when I hurt my back as a CNA. It the physical therapy area was like in a gym so like they would use the gym for like it was an actual. Jim like people like sign up with a membership through and you had to kind of go through to get to the physical therapy part and I remember how they were saying. The Jim is sixty dollars a month and I could see why because yeah it was like they had the pool and they had like all these extra like things but I remember thinking to myself. I'm like that's a lot money a month for a gym so I just think to myself. It's got to be like you said at least a couple hundred dollars a month like it's GonNa be extra boosy and small and like well not small but like the membership small we have like companies like that in New York like mccue paying a good amount. But you know it's like you're dealing with other notable people right. That's the thing people aren't going to bother him. Because unlike if you can afford that gem even if you're not a celebrity you're like high up there you're you're all like Look at me like you. You could be a doctor or something know just like. I got the body. I like the equipment here. The high end you not deal with poor people poor people to shop around me paying ten dollars a month but a back six nine. I shouted this guy for his scale and everything and I have no idea what the future holds for you know have any ill will or anything against this guy was shot to see how people like how so. And that's like the most hated. How do you handle that? 'cause like of course you're like introduction back everyone you're going to have these high views like he broke instagram. Like whatever the record is for a life xuming he got like two million on the livestream. I wouldn't say everyone hates him. There's clearly a fan base Sur. No okay in the words a fifty. Everyone likes a train wreck like I've one that's true. You know it's happening. That's sure that's like when Britney shaved her head. Yeah that's why I've won like fifty got shot and it's like Oh man and and like all the people that like were He. I was watching these interviews. That's why so fresh my head and everyone that was like out in the streets that did this storm like they were out there like anything can happen so I it's similar situation when it comes six nine where he's like everyone's just watching and a lot of people that don't rock with them and people like you and me. We're like Yoku whatever which watching to happen. But America loves a train wreck. America. Loves LIKE TO. See what happens. Loves Drama Yeah like that's why drama channels are a thing and all this stuff like. Yeah everyone I don't know my theory. Is that it Kinda. It helps to take away from whatever stress or like drama. You're going through in your life to like be watching someone else's you're just like let me just like let me get soaked up in their stuff or laugh at their stuff and let's just pretend mine isn't happening. I guess you know. It's kind of like a way to escape or relate how sucky that is like. Be Associate on house arrest and like you. Your police watching. You can't go out. You can't do anything it's just like you're stuck in your house and it's just like that's what you what you get for. You know doing what you do. It's like Yeah He. He can sit there and flashed little watches and chains and all that stuff he has but dog. You really just an animal. Long Hand House are us. I mean the only reason he's out is because his lawyers made a case he shouldn't be in there because corona virus and also that's where he got it right. He's the only one that shouldn't be in there because a KHURANA virus. He's so much more special money. That's what happens You got good lawyers. That's what happens but I mean no one no like. I'm not sure when he would go back at this point. No one even knows when they're going to go back to work let alone him going back to the jail interesting so he's not done. I mean what I feel like. It's going to happen. They're going to hit him with a fill AAC. I thought they would like they would do something to give them something. I'm not sure if he has any type of a long. It's like sentences. I could be wrong. I feel like it's a year if like he got like an additional year. Something by could be totally off on that. But I'm like whatever it is. I'm sure how with how good his lawyers are. You could pry be like. Yo Time served the cow. I've been on good behavior like you know. Let's loosening restrictions or something. I don't know because if he's just literally staying home can't do anything he's and he's not going to do anything crazy on the Internet and stuff. They could happen yeah. The Comeback Story is interesting with this one. I WanNa move on because you just like care. So he'll say WanNa talk about this interesting. Do you know this podcast called Com. Call Me Daddy. I do not dog. Oh my God who am I posting with what what I do not know? I don't even know and like I've seen people like post it off. Abbey you said call my call me Daddy. Now it's different. Get what I mean covered. Yeah so they started back in two thousand eighteen and I started seeing more and more people post especially around the time when we creator podcast. I saw him a lot and I was like What does that and I listened? It's not for me. Obviously because it's two women talking about whatever but they're currently going through it with Do you know who barstool says. The company Oh my God who am I? Who Am I with dog okay? They're popular like media company. Look at it as like as a buzzfeed so a lot of this stuff is like. It's kind of sports related. All that stuff You find on Youtube podcast platforms all that stuff. Yeah same same was as buzzfeed will in their own category so bitterly having an interesting issue because they're fighting over their rights and I'm not sure if it's it's it's tough. I'm not sure how like extremes with not having much detail so awesome my next issue so imagine this. I'm going to put this in this context. Imagine we just arcus or we're going to start one and we work with a company and you know they're gonna they got the they give us a base salary of like I think it's like seventy thousand seventy five thousand nice exactly like that's cool stuff but I knew in that in that agreement contract you sign you know they. They own the rights to the podcast content like this every day like buzzfeed. They own your the likability own. The name they own everything. Would you still want to sign that and make seven five thousand? Hey Gro then you have no where to go you got. Yeah but hey guess what you know you. Can you know down the the next year or two as his gross or hopefully gross? You'll get one hundred thousand and then as you're listening average listenership grows ten percent will give you a bit more money there you know. Would China help? This is a really solid deal for someone that what's going on. I think it depends on the kind of person you are and what you're looking to do like for some people that would work because you're just like hey. I'm making a really good income. I'm doing what I like that kind of thing. But for other people if you're looking to branch out with this brand create more of it whether it be merger other stuff with your brand the no. It doesn't work because it's not your brand so I think it depends on who you are and what you're looking to do or get from it. You know what I'm saying because like I look at the buzzfeed people for example you know. A lot of them have gone andbranch down on their own thing. They've left but then there's still a bunch of people that are still there and you think there's gotta be some people that are okay with that. There's got to be some people better. Okay being a company. There's all because it's the same thing as like having a business versus being an accompany being employed there you have different people different types of thing. So you're a nobody you're essentially these. Two girls were essentially. Probably nobody right from my understanding of this is so they're taking a gamble on you. The they don't know this podcast is going to be a hip hop cast. Kill it right so it's like you like I'm a nobody we're we're nobody frame and they're gonNA start giving a seventy five thousand right plus whatever else we can get out of this right over long. The contract term is right. You WanNa do that. I would look closely at the contract I would. I would try and figure that out. What what do you have when you are nobody? You don't have any one but I'm saying so what what I'm saying though is is it's stopping them from if they don't sign that they can't go do their own podcasts. Anything with anything that relates to car daddy or like if I don't sign. Oh you mean like you could start your own pockets. That's not upon if you don't sign obviously agreement right so there's nothing saying I can't grow I mean there's nothing saying you can't grow in this but as far as book so he's making the book and like trying to profit on it. It's not happening right like we're we're not make a book we're both profiting off that again. I think works for some people and not others. I think it depends on each person in scenario. See I'm fifty fifty onus 'cause you're taking a gamble though the companies taking a gamble on you because I see the business side of it because I see when you come to a book for example okay like I had self published books which meant technically all keep all the prophets and the royalties and all this stuff. But it's also a lot harder to get out there. I have to do all the work myself versus. If you go through an actual publisher they will get your book out there and inevitably you'll probably make more sales but they take a huge percentage so it's kind of like that. What's what makes more sense for you for me. It didn't make sense to go through a publisher because I wasn't trying to like do that with those books. I wasn't trying to make this huge like thing. And you know I wasn't trying to go through all the hassle of like that because it's very difficult CBO sides. Which one would you do if you were nobody. That don't WanNa shot at the dark and this is a chance for you to make you know. Start with a good salary and make more you know in the hopes. That your podcast. We'll actually do. Well what would you do? I will probably negotiate the contract yet. What if they're like no? This is already good. We're giving you only five thousand. I would negotiate to the point I would say okay. So what happens in the future of this blows up and you guys want more things for me like a book like. March like whatever it is. What is the percentage? What are we talking about here? That's a contracts? Don't we don't about this now? We'll have to see when that you know when it's time to up the contract now see like I don't like that I don't like the Ski. Venous you can find someone else will make him a star all right call. Yeah that's how you treat it. I don't I don't like that. I've learned too much. I've I've gone through too much with all this all this stuff. I for me for me. I much prefer owning stuff and having control of it and being able to do what I want with it when I want. But there's not like there's not saying you can't get your this like okay down the road you know if this does well and they see the value in that you're bringing to show and they want to continue it like okay you know. We'll re upped the contract to make changes to maybe make this a fifty fifty thing and you know remove you know that that little clause in there where it's like you know we take something out of like a certain percentage of your books or we own the rights to your likeness or something like you know we talked. I never liked that. I never liked that. It's like someone owns you stacey. That's the part that I don't like is like okay. Sure the podcast named the genre whatever it is about shore but like it's literally me and I'm like where am I supposed to go with that? You're very locked in at that. Point is gonNA suck dog. I'm taking it my car shop. I'll take you again. I think this is different. You and I look at it differently. You Know How. Many people make a podcast. Many people made a podcast during this quarantine season. Just like they're making tick toxin and challenging your Tick Tock community and many people have made podcast. Joe The start this thing. Yeah but then. They'll trail off a lot of people that are starting just because a quarantine like stuffing GonNa last. That's great you know. I'm just saying if I can get a leg up from the people that are just like you know. Do a little podcasts here and I can just automatically have the the budget because I have a big company back me in the advertising. I think it would be a discussion. I I'm not like I'm leaning towards I wouldn't do it but I would. I would really have to know everything about it all right. You hear that potential You know advertisers now all but what is the problem here? What's happening? They want to branch out. Because you didn't actually. You didn't tell me what's wrong with those. They're stuck in their contract and so she getting screwed obviously with them. Telling you YO WE'RE GONNA give you base salary of this and will go up that you know what it is. They're making a lot more money off them than they realize like. Obviously they tell you that because like it's it's reasonable for them to pay you that knowing how much they're getting back in return so that at the day you sit back and you you understand the finances you understand how much they're getting paid for the sponsors and the ads and all that stuff and in the amount of place it's very interesting because there's gotta be a reason. You're not making as much as the company's making because the company does have assets and connections and stuff that you are doing work for you. That's great but if I'm trying to branch out and make a book or whatever if they wanted to right now under the contract they're not able to go make call her daddy book and talk about you. Know Their Star story there beginnings or whatever so wait but see. This is different. Are They not able to talk about the podcast stuff? Or they're not able to talk about them it doesn't you can't use the name in that unless you're trying to split a check with borstal it's not. It's not happening okay. So what if I just don't use the name of the podcast? It's it's less likely that it's GonNa move as I feel like because it's different one year I feel when you're just a regular like social media person versus like a bigger like celebrity and everyone knows presence online yet but it's like on their own profiles yep or something crazy like right now even I think on their joint like twitter they have like Twenty two hundred fifty thousand twitter followers. Like yeah I'm sure on the joint. They separate their instagram. Which has one point two million? But it's like you. You're hoping that these people which they won't all you hoping that they convert to potential people. I feel like when you're new and you're not familiar. It's smarter to start out with like the name of what started you like A. Do you know who that is? You do wait. Amanda who seals maybe not. Okay pro the best thing I can say. Is you know from insecure shoes. One of eastern raise like Richard Friend. I think she dated the. She's not she's not dated but she her husband's way. I'd like to say I haven't watched show in a while but I mean she she has a podcast called Small doses so she went and recently made a book called small doses. Because that's where you're gonNA know her from so it's like it just makes you understand correlation so I yeah I can make a book in name it. You know my life story from Chanel. Simpson or something. But it's not gonNA. It's not gonNA mean much unless I'm making like a book de has something that people like automatically know you from and then you slowly break out from there. But that's just my two cents. I get you. You're just like I'm done with this. I'm done with this completely completely. I send my piece I get it. The point is if a contract comes. I'm not trying to be owned by anybody. If a contract comes on me pay me a million. You got me. This is the I'm telling you this the difference also uneven. What we do for work like business owners don't want to be owned. They don't WanNa work for someone like they are their own entity and they're going to control what they do and how they do it and when they do it and why they do it like versus employee. You're at the Beck and call of your boss and the hours they tell you and like everything so it's just it makes sense that sure. I'm more against it and you're more for it because you're like. Hey paycheck signed me up. You can tell me what to do. That's cool and I'm just like it's not that simple. It's not that black and white so you tell me you want this podcast to star. No I'm telling you that sometimes building it the hard way and taking years to build it up can be worth it so you tell me you want me to starve just in a not so you know until you deserve it I do. I deserve it now like I haven't eaten there. We deserve it or not is not up to us. That's the fun part about businesses. Tommy is thing and it will happen when you said news. You're not telling me anything. Good all right now. It's getting into why I really want to get her. Oh wait before you get into. Hey Babe what's up? I'm bored any new PODCAST recommendations okay. We'll get ready to laugh and cry as you're about to hear some of the most embarrassing and vulnerable stories from a former Olympic gymnast Shawn Johnson and an NFL player Andrew East. That actually sounds amazing. Because if you know me you know I'm a big fan of Olympic gymnastics in Sean herself. Well on the couple of things Sean Andrew podcasts. Some of their previous episodes included exclusive interviews with guests like Kaitlyn Bristowe Jason Kardac Sadie Robertson and Christian Hoff. Sounds like a great lineup. So where can I listen to this? Podcast you can listen to a couple of things with Sean and Andrew podcasts. On spotify wherever you listen to your favorite podcast awesome. I'm checking it out right now. All right and with that being said. Let's get onto the show thug. I want to mention how we got thrown off for corona virus things as things start to reopen states are to branch org stuff and now we're talking about killer wasps or Hornets or are what do they call it. Murder Murder Hornets Murder Hornets I like how we scale off. Any lands news is coming out your so your foe sightings have been happening. I'm like we never wanted to talk about it before but now that corona virus is a thing where like no. Let's just like stop with. We're over and it's not a thing anymore. Let's see what they do. One thing is for sure? I hope they don't come here because it's still cold over on this side of the world so stay over there wherever you are. I saw a picture on twitter. I'm not sure whether they're located but they were like. I think I had like one of these more. When it's in my house signature looked like one. It's like it was black and it looks like it. Looks like a wasp. Maybe you do have any yellow on it. It was was it. It looked big another one. That is not the murder Hornet. And it's but yeah there's a black would blow something about this. I forget what it was called. But yeah they're different. I mean they're not you don't want it but they're different obviously So mud or at Tomo the happy stuff. I don't know how to transition until this. Not so happy stuff because yeah a marinated. I guess I'll start with an image that you shared with me. Yeah A. B. Person. Anyone notable anyone who would know versus someone on my instagram. I don't know I just wanted to say I. I WANNA give a shout off. It was needed but now so let's person shared some pitcher in. You said it to me and it's it's interesting interesting and I did a little tear. Moji stuff like well. Yeah I figured you would. You would dig it dog because you've talked about it before. So I'm going to read this to you guys It's a pitcher out. Do a quick flash on on the video. If you're watching you really pie just you the shirt. I can't really read the tax but it's a. It's like a like a robe. Looks like our T. Shirt Linda and it says Blackman Moon move differently on the on the back of different and it says black men move different. It was never because they wanted to but because they had to coach which leave the Jays home while on the passenger seat while driving. Keep a neat car cut haircut. Unlike my reading Sake respect authority get a degree. Skip the Hoodie on a cold day. Navigate in this world as if you're the ultimate threat no more. I'm tired of. I'm tired for you. My energy is depleted. You've been enough. Let me be clear. Black men dough you stock mushrooms. Soak adenoviruses yeah not name not an acknowledgement not in identification for simply living. Not a Dang thing I was like. Yeah it's it's what was reflecting moments when I was reading that and I'm just like yeah. It's like another thing we don't realize it but yeah I've talked about on this podcast before like I when I go to certain areas. I have to operate differently. It's how pe- people perceive me. It's funny with the whole like leaving your wallet on the passenger seat. 'cause like I really don't leave my like when I'm driving. I I keep my wallet. Like an like an arm's reach and like relatively visible just in case and it's like I never really big about that but I'm like Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah look you'll get me like with concerned is because it's sad Looking at you went and like I agree with the being sure that your like your hair coat has to be because I feel like that failure. Why keep it low in a sense because it's like if not you looked at as a certain way it's the same thing with black women? They're looked at as a problem if they wear it natural. It's like you're the word is unkempt. Yeah here respecting authority. Yes like I haven't made your I said this before. I'm not sure selling the PODCAST. I said it to you. A Guy with major she when it comes to like dealing with whenever I'm relic lake some type of like what like making it. Tim Sound some marginal Mike. Okay being being a mayor phones stop. Lets you I was certain issue when it comes to like authority in has like for example way back. I used to work at target guys know. Listen to the PODCAST. We're while and they had like a they have like a target security guard guy and he was cool but whenever he was around I was a bit standoffish. And it's like he never gave me reason to be but just because even those guys like an actual cop but he wore the outfit and just like it's Kinda like the signifier something that like said like I don't really rock with you because of of how you look and it's like I just want to keep my distance. I don't have a beef and I don't want there to be a beef and I don't want to be assumed that I'm doing anything wrong like it's just that's how I felt. I was super uncomfortable whenever he was around. Nothing to end like again. Nothing to this guy. Yeah and it's just. It's always been like that like no matter what setting I go to and like I think I think he wants to target recently and I had to take my glasses off as we went in because like the we have fired up my glasses and I'm not trying to deal with that and I think the past like a cop thinking target as we were leaving. Do you remember loose? I feel like there was a feel like we did. I couldn't because I couldn't see literally but I feel like we did And like in my mind. I'm always just like even though I don't do anything I'm just like. Please don't don't stop me please. Don't like like I always feel like I have to walk into a store and buy something out no matter what what I'm doing and I hate just walking and walking out so as we did that. I'm like of to just go and buy something so I something and not. Just walk out with something like Do you feel that way? Do I feel that way? No and I feel like that's yeah. That's oh well I I feel like that shows. The difference may like May when I was younger. I used to think that because I would get more nervous like going in places when I was younger especially by myself but yeah anyway from that damn so. Hurry I mean I. I thought that was a trick question. I thought you knew what I would say because yeah kind of like speeches. Yeah I'm kind of curious. No like the like black men or women feel like that because I feel like all the time. Well I will say this too because the past couple of years. I've kind of transitioned to not always using a large purse. When I have a large purse I feel a little bit more nervous because I feel like then people assume that you can hide stuff in there so that's a little different wall. That really of something in your Bro. Yes but I feel like that's more obvious when you go to do it like if you look at like cameras and stuff and I feel like that would be also see you in general interest. I feel like anytime like that's how I hate when you go into places and just go to look you. Don't buy anything we leave. A my head. I'm like no I don't want to do this and I want to see stuff to you by normally. Don't in my mind and Mike. I can't like I really WanNa buy something just to remove any perception that anyone may have that like yellow guy could be walking out with something and I'm always worried that like the little things are going to go off as walking by even though I I will say I always worry about that because that has happened to me where they literally go off for no reason so I don't like that Like there was even this time ulta before all the quarantine stuff happened and I went and bought a flat iron and because the flatter and it was like one hundred dollars. There was something that was in the box so that it would go off but you know like normally they're supposed to like do the shaky thing and all that to make it not work or whatever they do put it on a magnet that the sizes yes sure guess. That didn't work so I walked through and it went off and I was just like high like they saw. I just bought it so then she wanted should the whole box and like literally. There was nothing to solve. There was nothing in there so I had to walk through and it went off but like I hate doing that because I hate like the is getting on me and I'm like I didn't I. Didn't stu like so there's that. I remember when I was younger. Started shopping more buying my own things and stuff like my parents would teach me to like. Have the receipt out when I walk out just in case like the thing went off and you have to prove that you bought the stuff so I was very nervous when I was growing up and I would start buying stuff on my own and like I had to be like. Oh here with my receipt like. I would make like obvious like walking out of the store that I had a receipt. Yeah more so walmart definitely but now I don't do that now. I've kind of just I just. I am the decree of like. Oh that's yeah. Yeah I stereotype. Skip a Hoodie on the cold. I don't really know about that one. I'm wearing not no matter. What stereotype of course? I have to be mindful of like what places I go to. I'm wearing a hoodie versus jacket. I'll say that well that and I think it's more about putting it up. Yeah yeah whenever I go into places how old I am or something like I feel like I have to put her down. Yeah it's always just be like I hate it. It's always making sure that everyone is comfortable with me instead of just being the other way around with just like like I just me being comfortable. It's always just making other people comfortable and like and that's why it's draining and maybe that's why I'm more a homebody than anything and I really don't like going out places and I like going like Let's see us all time going early in the morning or late at night when there's less people out and I don't have to worry about anything I could imagine. Exit saw starting to have to put on a persona all the time. Wasn't there something recently. There's like a video or something and he basically said how he's always lying when he walks out the house or something and you that resonated with you yeah. We were watching It wasn't just the Hollywood thing I think was. Yes Oh guys gosh. If you haven't what is it called Hollywood something? What is it called? Hollywood called the Hollywood show on Netflix. Everyone needs to watch it but No there's this black hair to WHO's gay and it's back in the late forties and so being both has Jeff Belanger. Not good at that time and Yeah he was talking about. How like you'll never. Because he was talking to an older white woman. And it's like you'll never understand nut you know. I always have to lie walking out the house. He was more so talking in particular about being gay Because he was with a man and that was a huge. No no and you know the woman is talking about how. Oh yes. Sometimes you know my husband would walk in front of me and we wouldn't hold hands or whatever and he's like but you had the choice like you could if you wanted to. That's the difference is I? Don't have that choice. I can't do that. I have to walk on my house and pretend I'm not gay and on top of you know being black in a world. That was definitely not accepting as it is now even though we still have issues but yeah. I'm like that sad. That sucks because people still definitely feel that way today regarding both. I'm like I'd like to see the day when the way for everybody but I don't know if I will unlikely now one of the things I question as we move to this Transition of finding a new place like live and probably that area we will most likely move to will be predominantly white. I hope that our future family is safe. That's a thought that crosses my mind that like I don't dwell on too much because you know it is what it is but it's something that's just m. i. Mind where it's like you know I. Pope is no issues with like someone not liking that. Like Oh Man. There's a interracial family over there are like are. Were you know one thing I'd like like as a kid I used to do. would go around like walks. And it's like Whoa. Hopefully you know if my goes on a walk if we have a son and they happen to be darker or whatever like they all get like at and be like. Why is this like Black Kid? Walking around the call just things that like. I don't dwell on that much like you don't know what happens in the future so it is what it is but it's just like we don't things that come to my mind and this guy we now. I was just GonNa say I feel like I know that it. It could still be an issue anywhere you really never know but I think maybe because we live in the northern area like northeast. Maybe were better off. Obviously it's it's a little less but I mean You by name. I can name some towns. I'm just like I don't know and I'm like well. We aren't going to some of those towns like Richie Rich. We're not that we're not yet but not even even the town next to us is like I mean. There's a stigma there. Yeah like even like. I'm not sure on this podcast where I got pulled over just by being in the passenger seat now and like and I even got questioned by the COP and like it was no reason no reason. Yeah that's even happen Like yeah nothing. Nothing was happening. And even gotTA show Miami and all that stuff and at the time like Muscial outdoors probably eighteen. Nineteen like didn't do anything wrong so who knew. I didn't have to show my ID. But I don't even know if I would say like no I don't want to show you. I know that's the scary thing. Is I see all these things online regarding like. You don't have to do this. You these are your rights. You don't have to say okay this Yada Yada One. It's remembering that in the moment when you're like terrified and too it's like do you test it because you already have this against you. You know what I mean like. They already see you as a problem regardless of what you did or didn't do and it's like do you test it and maybe it goes even more south. It's terrible that's where a lawyer comes in because that's not right. You shouldn't feel like you couldn't say. Hey these are my rights or you have no right to see that or ask for that so I don't know and yeah like yeah. We live in better part of the country. Better upper part of it and it's like Like the fact if you've guys haven't seen this video of course can't play it because it's it's an audio pie gas especially if you watch on Youtube not gonNA play it but the way this guy was killed is so sad. So these guys. If you guys aren't familiar so let me get into that. Which I'm not sure how you not because it's been in the news for the past week or so This Guy Ahmad are berry was going on regular walks. I mean he does but this time I guess you know the happened to be you this racist son in other Combo out and I guess there may have been some recent break INS and I guess some footage was put out. Not sure if it was news. Or how how? It's forty was out by briefly a person's race but they were like oh like you know they see it's black guy and they're like okay They assume it's is this guy running so they go back to the houses. Bow Back to the death house or whatever they grab their gun. They go this road where this guy is most likely in a run through and they say in the middle of the road. And that's the video you see that And then like Ahmad like comes around and he sees them and he's like Chanda like get out of the way he sees the sun have a gun. The Dad is like truck bed. And he's literally like hustling with this guy like as they're trying to make a supposed- Citizen's arrest and yeah. The Sun shoots him and like the kid is jogging. Who has a gun on them as jogging like you? Can you obviously see got shorts on and a tee shirt? I'm not working. I don't have anything except my phone or headphones. And it's like yeah. Yeah Yeah and I say this jokingly but also seriously I never like as much as I would love to go down south to go you know. Just see a different part of the world dog. I don't WanNa go there. I don't want to especially with a married to advocacy. It's like dog. Sorry a bunch of one. In North Carolina and South Carolina has friends and family there. You're from there. I don't even want him. Go there like you own not catch me Georgia Kansas Kentucky Mississippi Loui-. You'll catch me there. It's not happening not happening at all. I. It's too much of a risk and it's like even Florida's a gamble really. I just I can't mess with people's like racist mindsets and it's it's as literally killing us. This is like this isn't this is another -nother Freak George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin situation where it's like you go and confront someone. That's not even doing anything right. This is a classic example of Mind Your Business because what what was he doing to you guys specifically you know what I mean like. This isn't a person that was at large. This isn't a person that was harassing her physically. Hurting you or anything. So it's like just your business would. This is where the world would be a better place if we all just mind our own business. Take care of us in hours. And that's it. I like now you ought to forty years. So you learn later from like Ahmad lawyer that the that the family got that even the guy. Okay let me get a Sex Parvez. So even the guy that the father of the sudden father. Combo is an ex-cop so for anyone to make a citizen's arrest they have to be committed a crime so right you know if I walk in target and I see you stealing and I'm like I paid to the ground and everything call the police. I'm making citizen's arrests like you just crime. I saw you all that stuff. And of course the carers will confirm that these guys innoc- anything and supposedly the guy says In like a nine one one call like he was walking like he. He looked like some New Construction House like one of the houses that like you know. They're they open like they. You could just see right through them like they said he was just looking through that and it's just like so what's there to take those would like we look like creeps. We go like in neighborhoods like of houses that were like. Ooh We'd be interested in living there and we just like drive by and we just like look at it so like we look really creepy like. We're not doing anything like we're not actually getting out and knocking on the door and running in your house but you could even so. It's just a random. It's just a house no one. It's like it doesn't even seem like it was a house. That was physically. Do anything doesn't seem like a house that was finished just house. Oh she's like I had left the basic foundation and I was like dog. What can you do with that? So the crazy part of the story with the data being the next COP is you WanNa go to bring the prosecutor up. Can't do it because it's a conflict of interest because this prosecutor knows dad so the okay move the case so another prosecutor `nother issue because that prosecutor also you know to that so they bring into this other one and Now things starting to move because of the outrage. The Georgia Mayor Mayor came out so this is all that political stuff. I know it's not not all that stuff and these men thankfully they had to wait until a trial to happen. They were charged with murder. And I'm not sure whatever whatever else so they are now in jail they had a I like. What do you call those things a trial? Maybe they had the first meeting with the judge and they were denied. Bail so mike okay. Cool you stay in there and I'm just like and then the list I hope they both get. I guess what you would call life which to them. Since they're older could be. You Know Twenty thirty years like I essentially dying. They're like I don't know like yeah because a lot of people are saying on twitter. Of course those people who are in favor of the death penalty. I was never in favor of the death penalty when people deserve to rot like the death. Penalty is the easy way out in my head. I mean I know that you could still be on death row for years and like all that stuff but like no like you're just going to sleep and then you you don't have to deal with what you did. I think life in prison is so much worse. You literally. You're dying a slow death. In there like your. There's no hope like yeah. And so of course then people are saying well he'll probably get life but watch them get like twenty or something. I mean at the end of the day. What they're not that that old especially the younger one. He's he's probably in his forties. Okay twenty years. He be a sixty now like at that point. He's going to be old too. We don't want that whatever at the At least twenty years more. I'll be cool with anything I like. It's not right in. This was so now collect. This is the thing that I hate. It's very simple to me. If you take a life you get life period. I don't like this whole back and forth and like I get the whole innocent until proven guilty and we have our rights and Yada Yada but if you were proven to murder somebody there should not be options in. The should've happened to George Zimmerman but I really think because there was no video that killing is why he got off. Scot free and he's able to do stupid things he does. Yeah no yeah If you're art or someone that's it that's it because everybody says how murdering is like the worst thing you could do. Hello no one has the right to take someone else's life like that so the reasons for stupid to begin with you don't need to you can't say it was self defense and it's like Yo- just because we're black. This guy automatically Soons. Oh man this guy this guy. Such a problem. We'll right like the Lakers. Really done right. The graphic that's going around you know saying about how You should get shot running while black. You could talk. That shouldn't be a thing penalties to me would you? If someone had gone on them you could see in their pocket which most likely wearing shorts. And you're not going to be doing that because you're not going to be running with a gun jumping around your pocket possible. It's like like no your phone right. It's not it's not happening right. I mean of course you like one of those things and stuff but oh no one's going. Yeah he's going on there. Yeah you'RE GONNA Walk Around Your Neighborhood. You're thinking it's all cool and nothing's GonNa Happen. Yeah it's it's irritating to me and it's like I hate the stigmas. I hate to seal types everything when it comes to black people. It's so annoying. I hate this stuff because I know we've talked about this and I know that I guess you say you're not as worried but you know every time something like this happens. I worry I don't like it. 'cause it's like those those are people. I love and it's it terrifies me. The thought of what people could do not maneuver. We say it's unlikely but it's looking like there's a lot of them happening so it's like and it just it really doesn't matter which one it's just they're just they see one and they're just like Ooh like doesn't even matter who you are what you did. What age you are like nothing is so what can you don't like it? I have to say I worry I will get into a deeper tangent on it but I'm trying to be light. Oh only way it can be light. It's a play on words. Yes I got it. I got it. Okay I'm all the time I got it. Okay all right so I'm going to go with his sopping and we're going to hate unleashed advice Man Man man man Ma'am and that's why phillies touchy in general. So you ready for. Maybe so I have a flat chest. I'm just saying that out loud. You can't really just fine so this this girl goes on to say I have a flat in. I don't wear bras. Almost never my lucky girl. My boyfriend wants abroad because he is uncomfortable with my nipple showing through. I'm twenty three years old and my boyfriend is twenty seven. We have been dating for seven months now. known each other for five years until now we have had a few fights. Nothing major mostly because I'm more open minded. He's more conservative he And we have different views on some things but we always compromised. We are in a kind of a long distance relationship One and a half hours apart. We see each other once a week last week. I was visiting him for a few days and I forgot to pack my Bra because like I said I almost never wear wear because I don't need it. We were supposed to go and have lunch. But some of his family already have met them. What they put in parentheses When I put Aussie put my blouse on my nipples were showing through. Because it was a bit cold he kind got mad and said he would be uncomfortable going with me because someone might look at my nibbles are thrown a jacket over over the blouse and the problem was solved at the moment since then he insists. I should wear by BRA everywhere I go. I don't think bras. Think Bra is made up this. I don't think Perot is made to cover the nipples this this yeah Not just for Nipples. It's for boobs. His anything WHO's purpose is to support. I find bras his purpose the purpose. God Yeah probably guys. It's the way the right. This probably not coverage as much as it is to support and lift yeah I find pros culpable in where where I don't feel like them. Being uncomfortable is reason enough to start wearing them all the time. And I personally don't see anything wrong with nipples men have them. Why aren't they wearing something to cover them up? I completely understand and some occasions I simply have to wear it and that is okay but I want to wear it all the time so my question is should I compromise and star wearing one all the time or should I just be persistent that I would wear wooden if I really have to okay. So she seems level headed enough to know 'cause she's like oh I wear them every now and then like for example. Say you're in your friend's wedding and you know you're in this bridesmaid dress. And all that sounds like she would wear one then just because she's not trying to draw the attention away and like all that stuff. It sounds like you know sh she knows when it's appropriate because people are weirdly uncomfortable with nipples. So here's the thing this is to me. This is kind of similar to the whole like breastfeeding in public debate. And because it's like people are so weirded out by boobs and Nipples and over sexualize everything and it's like it's an it's always with women it's always with women because yes she has a point not only do guys have to wear covering. They can go shirtless whenever they want. But our boobs create a problem like it's so here's the thing I could not imagine if I didn't have to wear a bra wearing a bra like I have to. Because there's sizable and they need. They need. They need a little lift in a little support and it just in this society if I didn't wear one which hey there's people that have my size boobs and they go without Abroa- more power to them. But I feel like if you have boobs. It's even more difficult to go without. But if you if you literally or flat chested and you're basically just nipples. I don't see the problem with it. I mean yes when it's cold or you're nervous or something happens. Sure they're gonNA poke out like men's do I see men's nipples all the time poke in through their shirts. But we don't make a scene about it. But you know what I always see is as soon as like a woman's like one nipple like pokes out of the shirts say she has like because there's bras that are thin to that don't have the padding so it's still creates the same issue but you're wearing a bra but as soon as that happens people get weird and it's like first of all it's a natural body thing you know it's just like everyone's sneezes coughs everyone you know smiles it's the same thing like your nipples poke out a little sometimes and sometimes it's inconvenient but hey it's part of life and I just think it's so frustrating that women have so much against us and it's just something so silly is so important to men it's like especially she's been around the family before she's not trying to be weird whatever like I don't like that he's now telling her you have to wear them all the time to he's going far he's not even just saying where at around my family now he's saying I don't like you during this period where all the time. I don't like that because that's the whole debate of it feels like you're taking our atonomy and our women's rights and our body rights away like what right do you have to tell me that you could go free ball if you want. You could go in wearing no underwear and it'll be just fine but if I don't WanNa wear a bra it's the end of the world so I love your feedback on this This guy twenty seven and heard between three This guy's been overreacting. I'll say that so. I guess the age grew up. Okay so I'll say this. I understand his point where they talk. We're going out with my family came please. Why just respect me in that sense? Why is it disrespectful? Because I don't find that to be I don't want you to be perceived that way in whatever way my family would would take that. Why don't you talk to your family? I'm I'm just saying you don't relate. This response doesn't make sense. It is not me being disrespectful bums saying why don't you talk to your family? If your family has a problem and they come talk what would I say? Oh I'm not saying come out with it but if they come to you and they were to say something like hey like. It's a long comfortable like wine isn't she? Were then. Why can't you be on my side and be like 'cause she's more comfortable that Way Bra. Excuse me no. I'm serious okay. We go allow this Rela family. My only like around the family and Surrey. Obviously events like occasions. You know we're not for like grocery shopping and you don't care we're going. We're up a lot of things I don't care about but the family in special events whatever those are deemed as a bar would have to be like there less aware brought to. Have you seen some ends chess? Some elements why are they wearing bras? I don't think I've ever seen a guy's the women's bureau apparently years it'd be bigger than hers. She's completely flat. Chested strew. I I'm telling you but do you see how ridiculous is yet. You guys could have like your moves ow and poke in nipples out but because their boobs. Oh all of a sudden that's different now. It's happening sir. He's frustrating but why around the family. We why not like? Why is that like the? Oh my God I know. Why can't I be comfortable if I'm going to get comfortable with your family wife eventually? We're looking at this long term and your family is going to be my family and like we're all lovey-dovey and like we're all cool and we're comfortable with each other because is doing that congrats. No why do I have to fit in with the mold because you want with the family? I fit in with a family. Me Having Natural Body responses doesn't make it so I don't fit in. Do you know how many times are Nipples? Probably poke out but you just don't see it. It's it's not like it's not happening. So why all of a sudden just because it's happening and it's there it's not even like she's saying sheer shirts. She's not it. Sounds like it's the poking rather than the sheerness and you see like the Areola and everything like through the shirt. Just spoken out right to me is fine. I I think so when so one like my little cousin sees and he sees you Gallo Nipple poke it out. And he goes just fuels touch that. I mean you would teach you. Don't touch other political though not you. I'm saying whoever the person with the NIPPLES is you. Would you would teach the little kid just like anything else. The Little Kid. You don't touch somebody's body without without. Let's say hey no time. But they tried to hug fashion. Then you just keep telling about their child a Kid. I'm saying like I'm saying old enough to like not like a baby like old enough to understand things and always what what they're doing. Okay well you would learn to draw the line. And what happens when they don't fill you? We talked about episode like this really. The kid was like very That's a whole other issue. Then you gotTa talk to kids parents and be like dude. Listen they'd be like dolts person. Put a got nothing for a BRA designed to lift and support that we I got. We'll get her bro. We'll get little pasties like if you want if you feel comfortable wearing bro. We'll get little pasties then like little clear like things like pasties. Lazar Pogo Dubai. Freaking are nipples. Poke all my mind your pulse. No thank you okay see. He's so uncomfortable society so uncomfortable talking about Nipples have them and especially for men. They're not seen as a private hard. So then why is it so weird if you guys can go to the beach and the pool and flash ABC? She's like what's happening over there. I hate you missy nipples. Cut this of the dog nowhere and none of my shirts that were outside the public schools. Yeah probably unlike shirt like wearing at home. Maybe maybe coding here because we keep three eight but thing cold and that's another story for another day who yeah but what. I'm outside in public. That's not happening because I don't feel comfortable. Okay it's another case it's happened. But Okay Warner brother. Why would I know why would I say? Hey Your nipples poking through your shirt. It's just a tap but like case in point. Why such a taboo things you point. Is the bras happening Bro. Little Pasties Club censoring women. Thank you for telling women what to do with their bodies again. We're a little cheese on the musher to where we go ahead. Yeah Walk Ahead. That's what makes you feel comfortable with little training Bra. I said. Pc's no. I don't know Bravo. No 'cause wearing pasties but why can't I? Have you wear a Bra? That is not happening Karen but no. I switched pasties since you broza accountable won't be. I mean there probably will. I don't want to rip those off my nipples more for you okay. Shoes see. It's always sexual. We've got gotTA sexualize. Everything know who go see. He doesn't like this because I'm right. I'm right that he should not be telling me or women what to do or going out with my family. That's the very least. You could do. Not Saying Yeah. We're wearing pros all the top of makes you feel uncomfortable. I don't care what you are listening. Titties go what okay? But when all my family will be out celebrating a birthday or something dog I want covered with at least abroad or pasties. Whatever you feel as you would never let me be a part of the free the nipple movement. Yeah you don't care just don't free the nipple. Whoa slow with my family. The freemen Hippo Movement is public. It's where people go while non crowd these days. But you like goal a freaking parade and everybody's shirtless do that. If you want. I'm not doing it. You could see what the pitcher online right. They might see it. So what's the difference? I don't care and close but having other people that are not being like. I don't care if I'm saying I don't care if you do in public like out shopping doing a group setting with the people you guys. What is what is your answer on this debate. We need to know now. I don't like it. We need to know what everybody else's ideas of this is and what they would prefer so e mail us hit us up. Do you know what the email link is? Simpson's G mailbox how people can send voice messages. Anchor okay so I think it's a script Shin Simpson's If you WANNA send US voice my sister on this topic but still stands that dog. When we're around it's still stands. You can't tell when more to do with their body period okay. Well we'll get this podcast and I'm GONNA have. He's all he probably going to. Have you leave Your Bra? He says how he's pro choice but in this case I apparently he's not a baby. Why is it only about a baby? Why cannot choose what I WANNA do with my body period? Can you choose what to do with your body or can I tell you what to do with your body? This is not about me. Karen C say that. He's shook okay on that note. I'm going to end this. Podcast GONNA do that right after this episode and take that Bra right when we're talking God come on if every woman doesn't take off her bra as soon as she possibly can. She's lying like everyone loves to take it off when they get in the door. He took off more than Lebron. No one likes to wear a Bra. Like unless you're a model and you feel sexy in that or like say you got a nice little set for you know your booth thing for sexy time or whatever but like on the day to day the need to wear all the time. No one likes that you can take more than the are now. I can interesting interesting. Turn of events okay when it benefits him. I can take off goodbye guys. Thank you for listening. I'm glad we finally content or something this week once again. I'm show close the patient of Simpson's I'm joined by my freedom Nipple wife Lauren and we will see you next week. 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Episode 147: Contained (ad-free)

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Episode 147: Contained (ad-free)

"It was a moment. I will never forget we had just rounded the curve in London's Trinity Square Gardens and there it was a massive stretch of. Roman. Wall in the middle of a modern city. Every single brick seem to have been highlighted by centuries of erosion and exposure, but it still stands tall bringing history into the presence. Of course the more knowledgeable would be quick to point out that only the first four meters of the wall are original, the top sixty percent or so while still ancient only date back to medieval times. Beyond. The numbers is a larger message long ago this wall contained city and now. While that city has swallowed it whole. And I think that's the thing that jumped out at me the most when I saw it not it's age or its ancient design but its place in our world today walls are meant to create boundaries to hedge people in and even to defend against out side forces. It felt odd to see this fragment of a wall surrounded by gleaming modern office buildings instead of wrapping it all up in a protective embrace. Maybe that's because the walls of history often seen larger than life. The Great Wall of China for instance is visible from space. The walls of Troy are some of the oldest in the world while the ruins of Hadrian's wall still cut across the countryside between England and Scotland, and then of course, there's the Western Wall of the temple in the Old City of Jerusalem and the Berlin, Wall, of the Cold War era. Walls might protect or divide or even just serve as a reminder. But at the end of the day, they're a simple design meant to do one thing. To contain us. The trouble is whenever you bring people into the picture you get more than you bargained for because humans have an almost supernatural ability to leave a trail of pain and suffering behind them. Yes walls can hold cities or kingdoms or objects we want to protect. But they can also old something darker. The shadows. Of the past. I'm Aaron McKie. and. This. Is Lor. I hadn't intended to visit that wall. It's situated just to the north of the one hundred which passes right by our real destination that day the Tower of London and talk about walls that place is rich with them. Of course, much like the Roman wall I mentioned a moment ago. The Tower of London is a product of many errors of building, but at its core is something significant. A Norman Castle. The normans were incredibly good at building stone forts. The core of the white in London is considered by many to be the best example of their work. There are more all around England. It was all part of their strategy after invading the country in ten, sixty, six, I, a wooden fort would go up as quickly as possible and a massive stone version would follow setting their dominance firmly in the pages of history. But the normans weren't content to stay in. A within a century of their arrival, they were looking elsewhere with hunger, and then in the second half of the century two things happened I, Pope Adrian the fourth who just happened to be the only English pope in history granted King Henry the second permission to invade Ireland to bring the disobedience church there back in line. A few years later, an Irish king arrived in England exiled from his throne and looking for help to retake it together with the popes wishlist. This was the perfect opportunity for King Henry to cross the water and extend his rule. So in eleven sixty nine, the first wave was sent. And it crashed over an unprepared emerald isle. Time Irish settlements were not much more than Ring Forts either rings of earthen mounds or a circle of low stone walls in the face of the militarily advanced Norman's they were practically defenseless. Some Irish warriors even reduced to throwing rocks at the invaders but soon, enough England was embedded and it would never go away. One settled the normans built their own forts on Irish soil. Just as they had an England century earlier, they started with castles of earth and would, but then soon replaced them with permanent stone structures. These Newcastle's looked exactly as you might imagine with the Central Tower or keep surrounded by curtain walls and wide ditches compared to what the Irish had been using these buildings were practically impenetrable. It wasn't all about military might and power though these castles served a number of practical purposes that don't often get mentioned. They were residential buildings for local rulers. Bay served as the Administrative Center for government over the surrounding people and sometimes even guarded artificial fishponds, stockpiles of provisions and other valuables. What role they played they were there towering over the small wooden structures of the Irish people and making a point each and every time someone glanced at them English power was right there inside those thick stone walls and no one was going to take it away from them. What no one could predict though was that uncontrollable forces would begin to chip away at those castles. The first wave happened in thirteen fifteen when the great European famine arrived. Thanks to extensive crop failures. This was a gut punch to both sides. Really the English felt their belts tighten everywhere including Ireland right when the Irish were rising up under the banner of Edward Bruce Brother of Scotland's Robert. The Bruce of braveheart fame the famine took the wind out of their sails Edward died in battle and thirteen eighteen and the English held on. Thirty years later, the plague arrived in Ireland roughly a third of the population there died as a result although it wasn't evenly spread across the island. It seems that because the Preferred to live in close quarters inside their castles and the small support communities around them. They were the hardest hit by the plague, the native Irish, though tended to live more spread out and that distance helped them fare better than their oppressors. And finally, the introduction of gunpowder changed the face of these Norman Castles. It seems that while those keeps and curtain walls were fantastic for repelling sword wielding warriors on foot, they were less resilient against cannonballs and so the English rulers in Ireland began to change their strategy leaving their imposing castles behind in favor of new smaller structures. No now as tower houses. In fourteen twenty, nine King Henry the sixth offer ten pounds up small fortune back then to anyone who built these small tower houses around Dublin. But don't imagine these as tiny buildings. No tower houses were just as impressive as the buildings they replaced just crafted with more of an eye toward residential living. In fact one of the best known castles in Ireland Blarney Castle with its legendary Blarney stone is a tower house. So are many others that still stand today it's estimated that during that phase of castle building upwards of thirty, thousand of them were constructed all across Ireland. They became homes. Yes. But they also became focal points for some of the worst of humanity and just like a piercing scream in nights some of those tragedies have echoed well beyond their original moment to explore them is to revisit some of their prior owners most painful moments. And if you're ready. I'd like to take you there. The transition made a lot of sense if those enormous Norman Towers were no longer defensible against new methods of warfare than why were the people inside them putting up with uncomfortable living conditions. The Tower House was the answer, a fortified home that offered comfort in space but no amount of renovating or expansion could eradicate the darkness inside the people who live there home is where the heart is. Yes. But it's also where people can be at their worst countless stories about those families make that perfectly clear. Take James Shaw for example, in Sixteen, twenty five, he oversaw the construction of a fortified home in county antrim known as Ballygawley Castle, but an Arrow when the success in health of family line was based upon whether or not. There was a male heir, there's was an unhappy home. After years of waiting for a son, Shah apparently became furious with his wife Lady Isabel and had her locked in one of the tower rooms. Legend says that she either took her own life by. The window or is thrown to her death. Either way. It was a tragic end to a horrifying situation. Today the castle is a hotel, but you can still see elements of the original fortified home at its core and those who stay. There have made some unusual reports. Visitors have heard mysterious noises and witnessed human-like shapes inside their rooms. Locals even claim that a green missed can be seen hovering over the castle at night whether it's real or not. It's clear that the history of the place isn't easy to get rid of. Richard Nugent the Lord Delvin was a man cut from the same cloth as James Shot. In fact, he spent his entire life scrambling for the top run of the latter no matter what sort of pain caused the people around him he sat in the Irish parliament and eventually rose to become commander in chief a good portion of the English forces there and finally in fifteen twenty seven at around the age of seventy he became Lord Deputy of Ireland. But he reached that position just as England's grip on. Ireland was at its weakest shortly after becoming Lord Deputy he was kidnapped by Irish rebels enforced to pay for his freedom after returning home he decided that it was time to build a safer residence and began construction on what would become Ross Castle in county meath before defied home was completed in fifteen thirty six about a year before his death. But. That doesn't mean it escape the family legacy. Nogent John's grandson was said to have inherited that ruthless ambition in order to keep the Irish from invading his lands. He was said to have gone on many rates throughout the region burning crops, homes, and killing without prejudice. He developed a reputation for having people hanged without reason and became a terrifying figure in his day. At. Home it was more of the same. According to legend his daughter Sabina fell in love with the son of a local Irish chieftain from the O'Reilly clan. They met while she was out on a ride along the edges of her father's land and the to hit it off instantly. For weeks they repeated their secret meeting and soon enough they were discussing marriage. But marriage to an Irishman wasn't something her father would ever agree to. So the young couple packed one night in Matt's along the shores of a lake. Plan was to row across leaving her father's land and authority behind and allowing them to build their own life someplace new. But as they crossed the dark waters, a fierce storm blew in and overturned the boat. Both of them washed back to shore but while Sabina survived her lover drowned sending her into a fit of grief and sorrow knowing, she would find no sympathy from her father. She locked herself inside one of the rooms in the castle's tower and refused to eat or drink for days. She may have starved herself. Yes. The true cause of her death according to the legend at least. Was Broken Heart. and. Then there's County Wexford. Centuries before Shah and nugent just a year after the English invaded Ireland in eleven sixty nine. In fact, one of those English Lords set about building a fortress for himself on a peninsula of land at the southeast corner of Ireland known as Hook head. It wasn't the last castle he would build in the region, but it was the one to inherit his name. He was Raymond Fitzgerald a Welsh commander and the great grandson of the last independent Prince of South Wales at his side were ten nights and seventy archers and together they ravaged the south of Ireland. But he was also a bit of a black sheep among the other commanders sent by the English crown and was known for being overly brutal. Some of his peers even claim that Raymond's true goal was to take Ireland for himself not the king although that's difficult to prove definitively. Regardless, his trail across the southern portion of Ireland earned Raymond the nickname redmond hinting at the blood he was so eager to spill but redmond like all of us was mortal and passed away sometime in the eleven ninety s over two centuries later in thirteen fifty that Norman Tower of his UNHOOK head was also torn down and a tower house was raised in its place a house they called Redmond Hall. As the generations flickered by lives were lived and lost in and around those walls, eventually the Redmond was dropped and it just became known as the hall to those who live there. It faced cannon fire in the Irish rebellion of sixteen, Forty one and the blood of over one hundred with spilled on that land around it. But surprisingly, those aren't the events that the hall is remembered for the most. Instead it's a series of events that began in the seventeen hundreds that put this fortified home on the map. At that point, the home had passed into the ownership of a different family and the name of the hall had fallen suit. But while names can change. Darkness tends to remain the same. And in Ireland it's hard to top the darkness. Of Loftus Hall. It was as the well-worn Introduction always states a dark and stormy. The year was seventeen, seventy five, and the Loftus family had holed themselves inside their ancient home to shelter against the hard rain and howling wind lanterns had been lit a fire burned on the hearth and the evening was destined to be a quiet one. Which is why the knock at their door was so surprising. Upon opening it, they found the drenched figure a young man standing hunched over as if the rain were pelting him to the ground quickly they invited him in and asked his business. It turns out that he was caught in the sudden storm and their house was the only light. He could see through the gloom. So he had pressed his horse to reach out as fast as it could. Knowing the storm might rage all night. The family invited him to stay until morning after changing clothes returning to his guests group was said to have had a lovely evening together even Charles the patriarch who had been known to be cold and unfriendly took a liking to the young visitor and together they enjoyed conversation and drinks. We don't know how long he stayed or whether or not. He turned that one overnight into a longer visit but we do know that Charles Daughter an fell in love with a young man. Her younger sister had already married and left the house and she was the last child left being unmarried at thirty wasn't hopeless by any means but in seventeen seventy five, it certainly might have felt like that. But here it was a lovely suitor someone she connected with and the pair seemed to have hit it off. When her father Charles found out about their budding romance though he sent the young man away some say he caught the couple in bed while others say it was just one of his general fits of anger either way the young man left an an was heartbroken. And once he was gone Charles sent her to her bedchamber. Unlock. The door. And that's according to the legend is where she stayed for the rest of her life although that death came within a year. It's a story that invites all sorts of questions, and as we all know, questions are a breeding ground for folklore and soon, enough new details flooded in to fill in the gaps details that take the story. To a whole other level. They say that one of the nights the guest was staying at Loftus Hall they decided to play a game of cards. And and the guest worked as a pair against her father, Charles and her stepmother. And the young man turned out to be unstoppable almost super naturally. So But at one point in the match and apparently dropped one of her rings and Bent Beneath Table to grab it when she noticed something about her guest's feet. They were cloven. Like the devil. And screamed and the young man panicked thunder suddenly shook the room and then in a cloud of smoke there guest vanished leaving only the scent of Brimstone as a reminder that he had been there at all. Shocked by what she discovered and went mad that her father was forced to lock her away. At least that was the new version of the story? But whether ants confinement and deaths were the result of seeing the devil in her own home or punishment for an illicit love affair with a guest, it's the aftermath that has echoed through loftus hall ever since because not long after Ann's death strange things began to happen all around the house and despite being Protestants the family became so desperate that they called on a local Catholic priest to come and perform an exorcism. They. Say that a man named Father Thomas broaders arrived and cleanse the house for the family. He moved from room to room over course of a few days. But when he was finished, the house was safe again. All. Except for one room that is. Try as he might bother, broaders wasn't able to complete his work in one room. And former bedroom. After that years went by that bedroom was redecorated with a number of large beautiful tapestries earning at the highly creative nickname of the tapestry room. It's still had a bed in it, but there were a number of other guestrooms in the house. So it went unused for the most part, but one evening in seventeen ninety, the family hosted so many visitors that the last one to arrive had no choice and they were assigned to the tapestry room. That guest a local man named John Reid happily settled in for a night of rest but moments after he'd blow out the candles and climb beneath the blankets something large and heavy jumped onto the bed at his feet. And it was growling. Read practically ejected himself from the bed fumbling through the dark found his luggage and pulled his pistol from within, and then he waved at around while shouting at the intruder threatening that he would use it. After receiving no reply though it said that read the intruder had entered and exited through the chimney. So he fired a shot straight up into the darkness. Amazingly John Reid would return to Loftus Hall years later sometime around Eighteen fifteen, he came back for another visit this time with his son George and seems that George wasn't told about his father's prior experience there because when he saw the beautiful tapestries in that room, he picked it as the room he would stay in without a word of warning from his father. That night rather than Falling Asleep George stayed up late reading. But at some point, his eye movement and he looked over to see the door to the room open all on its own, and then shut again just as quickly. Passing through it was the figure of a young woman in what he described as a stiff dress who walk past the foot of his bed opened one of the closet doors. And then step through. The following night George. Stay awake with a goal of seeing the young woman again. And sure enough at the same time had the night before the woman appeared silently entering the room before making her way toward the closet. Hoping to ask her who she was and why she was in his room George leapt from the bed and reached for her arm. But was shocked when his hand passed right through her. A moment later. She vanished. Over the years more and more people had unusual experiences in that room in eighteen, Fifty, eight, another minister named Charlesdale visited the House and claim that something invisible jumped onto his bed and growled that him. Is repeated similar claims but none were as chilling as the experience had by one of the servants a decade later. The current Lord of Loftus, Hall of the time John had inherited the title when he was just a boy but by his late teens, he was traveling with his valid Shannon and conducting business for the family in both Ireland and across the water in England and in eighteen sixty eight John. Returned Loftus Hall to visit his mother Lady Jane. It was apparently, Shannon's first time stain at the house. So he didn't know the risks involved in being assigned to the tapestry room. Later, that night though a series of screams woke the entire household who rush down to see what had happened in the process they found Shannon arriving in terror on the floor of a room down the hall from where he had been sleeping. When asked what had happened? Shannon. Told them that he had been fast asleep when a sound woke him up. He sat up to see the curtains around the bed moving as if someone were playing with them from the other side. And then without warning, they were torn wide open to reveal the figure of a woman. A woman he said. In an old stiff dress. We build walls for a lot of reasons most people use them to define a space to separate one room in their house from another. Some people use them for privacy or protection or a general sense of ownership and some throughout history have used walls to assert dominance over others. At, the end of the day though walls contain things whether those things are family memories or collections of real objects, the walls seem to wrap them up and hold them tight like a lovers embrace and that's a good and natural thing. But walls can do more than that. They can also contain shadows. The fortified houses of Ireland. Are Stark reminders of the dual nature of walls. Yes. They were built to keep people out and to protect those within. But in the end, thanks to the darker side of human nature, they also ended up holding onto something more and for many of the people who visit or live inside them today that something is still notable. Back in the eighteen sixties, John's mother Lady Jane had hopes that the contents of Loftus Hall might entice the queen to pay a visit lady Jane had become friends with Queen Victoria and even help title of Lady of the Bedchamber to Her Majesty. So sometime around eighteen, sixty, one, Jane told the Queen details of the legend of Loftus Hall hoping that she would want to come and see it all for herself. The plan failed though in Lady Jane. Moved on more drastic methods in eighteen seventy she had a large portion of the hall torn down and then built new more modern manner home around it everything was bigger and better and more beautiful than ever except for a few of the rooms which were preserved and reused. And that list included the tapestry room. It said that Lady Jane The bedchamber into a billiards room. It was a great idea really because it removes the room from the list of available spaces to sleep in new guests to Loftus Hall. What know what they were missing out on, and that was mostly a good thing. Except for George Reid who returned to see the house later in his life around the mid eighteen seventies. When he arrived, he was shocked that the tapestry room was no longer available as a place to stay. Maybe he hoped to see the ghostly young woman one last time or perhaps he simply wished for a familiar space inside the renovated mansion. So he asked around about the changes. One of the longtime housekeepers they're not knowingly at the question. Yes, she said. That was young. An you saw. But. Then she seemed to withdraw from the conversation. We shouldn't talk about her the housekeeper told him. She made a horrid noise last night knocking billiard balls about. One last thing. It said that something was discovered during the renovations of eighteen seventy. Something that hinted at a clue to the origins of the legend. It said that inside one of the walls of the tapestry room. Workers discovered bones. Didn't belong to an adult. It was the skeleton. Of. A baby. This episode of Law was written and produced by me Aaron Minke with research by Robin Miniature and Carl Nellis and music by Chad. Lawson. More. Is Much more than just a podcast. There's a book series available in bookstores and online and two seasons of the television show on Amazon prime video check them both out if you want more laws in your life. I also make to other podcasts, Aaron McKie's cabinet of curiosities and on obscured and I think you'd enjoy both. Each one explores other areas of our dark history ranging from bite sized episodes. The season long dives into a single topic and you learn more about both of those shows and everything else going on over in one central place grim and mild dot com. then. You can also follow the show on twitter facebook and instagram just searched for Lor, podcast all one word, and then click that follow button. Would you do? Say. Hi I like it when people say hi. And as always. Thanks for listening. Hunter wasn't her first husband. If we're honest that wasn't uncommon in the sixteen forty s but I mentioned it because it was the seed of a lot of rumours about her rumors that paint her in a terrifying light, and while they might have only been stories the true details of her life macos rumors a lot easier to fall for. Mary McMahon had been married just once before as far as historians can tell in sixteen, thirty, four, she married Daniel Nalen and a couple built a life together. But within five years, Daniel was dead leaving her with three young children to care for. Thankfully. Her next husband was a man of status conor O'Brien was from a long line of Irish rulers, high kings. In fact, marriage to him also met moving into the Family Tower House Liam Castle which had been built in the fourteen hundreds by sixteen forty though it was a little worse for wear. So the couple made some renovations which added to its size and scope. But life was more complicated than that. It seems the Conor O'Brien was a bit of a hothead who had no problem rating English settlements in the area in fact. Mary. Often rode alongside him participating in these missions in one document from sixteen forty two, we are told that Mary Ann Connor led a small band of fighters out on one such raid in February of that year brought home a wagon full of household goods fourteen pigs in over four hundred sheep. Mary it seems at a thirst for adventure, and if the stories were true that violence came home with her, it said that she would hang her servants by their necks or hair. If people trespassed on their land, she was rumored to murder them. When she wasn't killing people they said, she was happy to engage in a of torture. Of course, these were the same rumors that said that she had married and killed over twenty men. But truth isn't found in the ravens of the mob or the propaganda of the jealous. No truth is found in the historical record while it might not include nearly two dozen murdered. Husband's Mary's real story is more than terrifying. In Sixteen, Forty, one, a conflict arose in that became known as the eleven years war. It was part of a larger conflict, all throughout Ireland Scotland and England known as the wars of the three kingdoms. If you've ever heard names like the Irish rebellion of sixteen, Forty one or the first second and third English civil wars, these were all smaller pieces under the larger umbrella of the wars of the three kingdoms. Naturally. Everyone had to pick a side Mary's husband Connor. Eventually gave up his life of rating local English settlements and became a commissioned officer in the royalist army. But in sixteen fifty, one during a particularly bloody skirmish connor was badly wounded and in an effort to save him some of his men carried his body back to his home and to marry. It said that Mary looked out her window and saw them approaching and assumed connor was dead according to the legend. She leaned out the window and shouted at the approaching soldiers. We want know dead men here. But after a quick conversation, they informed her that her husband was still alive and in need of help. Sadly, conor O'Brian died in the castle a short while later. When he did Mary. Did something unusual. She put on one of our best dresses climbed into A. And made the perilous journey to the nearest parliamentary camp. The very same forces that had killed her husband, and if the legends are true, she did it for two reasons both of which require a bit of explanation. I she did it to make an offer being newly widowed. She was free to marry again and had decided that the first officer in the enemy camp to come forward with earned her hand in marriage. We don't know if anyone's step forward that day, but we do know that a short while later she was recorded as being married to a parliamentarian officer named John Cooper I think it's safe to assume he was the one who took her up on that offer. But why do this? Most historians think that Mary saw the writing on the wall at least for the moment the parliamentarians were the horse to bet on and Mary had an estates and children to look after marrying into the conquering side was away of buying a bit of Insurance Against Tumultuous Times. But there's a second reason for her visit to the enemy camp that day I gave her a chance to ask around and identify the man who fired the shot that killed her husband. And Mary wasn't the sort of woman who let go of a grudge or to let anyone else do the dirty work when it mattered. It said that a short while later Mary herself hunted down the man responsible. I can picture her writing through the night on a black horse gun and sword hanging at her side and creeping into the parliamentarian camp to abductor target. It said that she then hanged the man to death. Putting an end to request for vengeance and allowing her life to move on. Today she's known as Red Mary maybe because of the color of her hair or perhaps do all the blood she was rumored to have spilled. Either way managed leave a mark on the past and found a way to stick around. All these centuries later. History like life isn't always neat and tidy. There are a lot of things. We don't know about Mary McMahon or whether or not the rumors about her were entirely true. But we do know that she was fierce powerful and more than a little bloody. And if history has taught us anything. It's darkness like that. That can never be contained.

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SOF Rest Stop - Interview with Bri Carnegie

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47:49 min | 1 year ago

SOF Rest Stop - Interview with Bri Carnegie

"Hey guys welcome to a special mini episode of fable. We like to call rest stop. Today. Are we interviewing Carnegie? She's a paranormal investigator who has worked with Dave schrader and Zach begs. Bree was born in Erie. Pennsylvania grew up watching shows like American haunting, most haunted with her mom, which started early interest in the paranormal. As she got older, she enjoyed going to local ghosts in cemetery tours, and as reality. TV turned his attention towards goes hunting so debris. Now in her teens in an avid fan of Ghost Adventures Breeze attended events at Mansfield reformatory, and at the Stanley Hotel. Residencies north were having me excited. You for being on. Our so. Let's go ahead and get into I. Guess Let's let's let's go over. What got you into the parental? not anything significant. When I was little, I used to watch the shows like haunting and American haunting. You know my house is haunted and all this stuff on those those reality shows the kind of remakes where they would tell stories in have actor portrayals corny stuff, but I used to watch those time with my mom and I absolutely loved them. I got so into event, so fascinated with the idea of people living in haunted houses in dealing with stuff like that on a regular basis of stuff that I had never experienced as a kid. Never very skeptical person, as it is, though it was just kind of like a fascinated horror to me, I guess so to speak. So of you've never lived in one hundred house before I have not no I've stayed in a couple. Couple of hotels in you know cemeteries in Mansfield reformatory in lots of wanted didn't cry. Activity places that I've never looked at haunted house interesting, okay? I'm very same boat kimberly into the paranormal and Okay I. Take that back. I was GONNA say that I've never lived in a hundred house either and I am envious people who have even though most of the time their stories are sounded horrible and terrible I'm like no, that sounds like you know as the place to be right there. Up, but I for some reason popped in my head I remembered that a growing up. My mom is actually which you call sensitive She has been able to see things since before I was born. skipped my generation of course. I don't see anything. But yeah. We're talking about things that she would see. It's funny growing up in different houses, we'd have friends spend the night and they would actually see things and I and I never saw anything while any of those houses, so I guess I have technically grown up in a haunted house, but I never actually saw her felt anything, so I can be as you know. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I can see how that would be frustrating growing up almost. They. The portrayals always make it seem like it's. It's a horrible situation that I'm sure you know I sympathize for a lot of families in some that did it, but you always off doing that like I would be I would be still good at it. That's the place for me to be, but I like to think that you know. Just being cocky in that sometimes. They're not going to be that good but I am definitely as people who have that kind of stuff happened to them on a regular basis. Is So funny because I always forget watching those shows 'cause they always You know it's an. It's our show usually and so they have to fit. All as many of their experiences, they can in our in watching. It is like man, and all that happens if they move in, but I always forget that usually happens over the ten fifteen year period though. Bullying teen years down to this one hour. So that's why it seems like everything happens back to back. When in reality happens sporadic you that they forget that happens. Yeah, nobody. Goes to like an open house and sees that taunted is like y'all take it sign a check I. I mean maybe people like you and I would not. Totally I mean that's why we're going to the investigating the first place right? Yeah, absolutely. So okay, so tell me about. Your first investigation ever, when was it? What was it? Would you do all all the details? Have it so my first real investigation because you know when you're younger, and you know you sit in a dark room like a scary old banded house down the street with your friends when you sneak out bill of the night and nothing ever happens. It's scary because you're you know in an abandoned house in the middle of the night. I real investigation. Investigation that did was the Mansfield Reformatory the ghost adventures grow so they shot the Shawshank redemption, and what that started off as it's a meet and greet, and they hold events and certain people can get tickets to investigation and I got a ticket to do that. My mom and her boyfriend at the time were so nice enough to paper that and take me out there as about four hours from where I live here in Eerie and It's it's Zach Erin Annex from you know Zach. Pagans Aaron Goodwin Nick, Groff and divide you into groups, and you split up with them, and you meet Zach for the first part, and what really got me into a course on super nervous in super excited, and at this point on lake, Fifteen. I'm like Oh. My God Zach Baggins but I. To down into the hole, the solitary confinement of the Mansfield reformatory I mean like it's it's you know midnight one o'clock in the morning, and we only have flashlights night-vision, and on the youngest one there, but I mean I had the equipment I had any MFT's actor had my ego appear quarter, and I was into it in Zach actually locked me in one of the cells. He shut the door and you know. There's a recording somewhere. God lover, my mom. Watching after the fact, and she says that she hears Zakho I have somebody here for you on. She is giving her to you. So you know if you if you want to communicate, use her. And my mom's Gone Oakley's be replaced. It'll be bringing Sakho draining bream and got Jesus, you know. Like that was kind of like her. I like Oh she's. This and My first experience, just getting you know like an actual not like you know through like chills watching a TV show or a movie, but feeling that energy that comes off in like an environment that is. Full of such dark energy like that. You know it's. It's like it's like static electricity almost and I remember being young and being in that zone. You know obviously nervous, but I'm super excited and a member of that just like that wall of energy hitting me, and it's all vulnerable but I felt like knowledgeable like I felt like there. Was You know I? I could communicate with beings that you know it's. It's just a phenomenal feeling, and after that that's that's really what drove me into it after of course after, let me out of the sell. My friend Morgan and I had wandered off into. We're digging through the basement of it and we found old glasses. You know with like you know the big frames and. Ashton old telephones and stuff and Zach. Zach wandered off and left us down there by ourselves that we we took it to our advantage, and it's I remember for the first really my paranormal career, so to speak feeling. Just the energy of you know the paranormal around you all of the. And all of the like fear and everything that comes with it, and that's really that's really what set it off, Manto, Ori for four, so in that investigation going to question what if any personal experiences you have? And what if any objective proof that you bring back from the manslaughter informatory the first time there was not a whole lot of not a whole lot of objective proof I guess so to speak it was all really my experiences like I, said the energy in the feelings and When we went off into the it was in the cell blocks with the showers and soften at that one with Aaron who? Love is evolve is reporting equipment and stuff like that? And he asked a bunch of questions and I remember one. I don't remember the question that he asked we didn't get any clear definite answers from this investigation. Remember him recording. Just screen a screen. In it is you know just bone chilling, because you know as an investigator when you're recording in especially audio, you debunk stuff, so if somebody coffee say, somebody coughed or my stomach growl, that was a dog barking, and when you're listening back in, you, hear Erin talking just silence, and you hear a scream and nobody speaks after it to say like somebody screamed outside. It's just you know it's it's. That's crazy. That sounds cool. It was yeah it was incredible. I was luckily I was sitting next to him because I was like. This is literally the most horrifying thing I've ever my. Lab I'm with him but I mean at the same time. It's just so so cool so unbelievable to get that kind of evidence. Even though you know and some people, you'll show that the some people. They're such skeptics. They're still never going to believe it, but. You know you're not when you listen to. It's just there's just no way around it so okay, so speaking of which you. Earlier referred yourself as a skeptic. So are you a skeptic? Are you believer skeptical believer? What camp or what type do you put yourself in? I. I've never heard the term skeptical believer until you just said it. I think honestly that that's a really good way to put it I am not a a naive person in any aspect of my life, if it's you know paranoid or or otherwise, but I've had enough spear experiences in my life, that I can foreshore say that energies and spirits, whether whether or not you believe in demons or ghosts, or you know, or or any of that stuff something beyond the. The grave exists whether or not want to believe it and I understand that people now at stuff doesn't exist. It's all you know. BS, S and I understand because I was like that, too. Before you know I had any of my own experiences, but I've never. I've never I've seen shows where people they get thrown down the stairs or you know they get hit and I didn't believe it. Any of that was like ghost can't touch you. Go Skin itchy skin. Until at the Stanley hotel rooms will get into this a little bit Stanley Hotel I. Did have my birth experience where my friend and I were recording in my room, and I went to the bathroom, and I had three scratch marks over my tattoo on my left shoulder, and that is really kind of what did it. That is really kind of what. Goes to surreal, and what we're doing is dangerous out. That's kind of. Like Oh shit kind of scary. That's dangerous, but. I mean I didn't I really like to see kind of concrete evidence for anything you know. Yeah! No I mean. I totally get that. WHA-. What do you consider concrete evidence? Stuff! Like EDP's in anybody can. It's awful nowadays because anybody can photoshop anything, anybody can edit videos and anyone can make you know audio recordings and stuff. That they can kind of relate to make it seem like you know they're talking to spirit, but to have my own concrete evidence I searched up in down for my vp or quarter, and I could not find it I. had it a month ago? I think I buried away by Mo. no defined it when I find it I will definitely send it to upload them, but I still. From from two thousand, fifteen, two, thousand, sixteen, where I got my berry, I might very first crystal clear VP was at the Stanley hotel. It was my friend Tiffany Morgan and I and we were in my room at the Stanley and we were just. We were just goofing around I was laying on the bed. Tiffany was on the floor. Morgan was by the Dory know were like anyone's here. Say something I'm you know and and you know we're goofing around because we're three girls? We're like we're single REQ-. You know if you want like. US In the VP that I got was in. You know of course like I said earlier we all know to debunk the somebody outside coughing people running down the halls, whatever I got crystal, clear voice that said creeper and two I I literally had shows talking about it now. This is the most crystal clear, just the most. Astonishing keys of evidence in when you get yourself in pair, and you know that nobody else in the room goofing around making noises. When you listen back to that stuff, it's it's. It's an astonishing feeling and you know there's there's just nothing like it. It's like A. Fascinated horror. Got It, but then at the same time like I have to sleep here tonight with a man by the creeper. When we're talking about you know three girls by it was. There's just nothing like it. Well I got. Say I'm definitely jealous. Because I actually have used the exact same sort of format as editor, sexy axiom, 'cause you. I've tried to tell them. Look I'm single I'm Q-. But it didn't work for me like view, so you're very lucky. I'm very jealous. No but So, what would you say is okay? Yeah, we'll definitely get to the Stanley here in a bit, but. What would you say is probably? Other. If it's creeper, then we'll call it that but but. Other than creeper. What would you say is your best piece of evidence that you've caused since you started investigating? I have an old video camera and I actually. I still have the camera. I still have the collection of CDs and it was my own the. died took all of home videos on when I was younger, and it's just. It's so old that find a charger for it, but I know that somebody out there has to have one, and I will find it I god, but it was It was in my room at nighttime the night vision on my my friend Morgan, and at this point probably a little after midnight. I think and. we were goofing around again. Recording and most of the shot was US me trained on my detector on my bed. I remember not getting anything on that and I were. Going over the recorder and not getting a lot of that, but there is a there is a small frame where the black. Mass the black fog shoots, and then shoots back out. I was actually remember exactly. I was filming by my door in the frame was part of the dresser in the door, and just as black mask that shoots into the right and then shoots right back out. And again we're just kind of you. Know when you record because you can see stuff like that all the time on those. Although. Stuff you know. When you're courting yourself on your own like Dad's camcorder, you know from late two thousand one. It's. It's it's there's it's unbelievable. I really hope that you're able to a charger and get that evidence because I, I've got to see you. Guys See. okay, so then let's go into so speaking of like a VP's and asking questions what El-. What would you say? Is your investigate style and it comes to haunting, are you? Are you an inquisitor or your provoker? What would you say is your particular style? I, naturally an instigator and all aspects of my life. You know with people you know with any old I'm very punk nation finally provoke like to poke the bear and that'll I've always been? And I think that's kind of where that whole creeper things stemmed from. Was Kinda like here? I? Am You know you're you're do something about it. You know and and I've got a lot of results from that. Obviously, so it's seems to have worked for me I love. VP's I've I've gotten so much evidence over the years that I just I have absolutely zero down on my mind that VP's. You know it was just my I started with a like a forty dollar recorder from Walmart. You know I didn't have a three hundred dollar, when because I was younger, but to collect evidence is clear in you know as terrifying as I did is creeper and my friend Tiffany to this day will still laugh about how one of the ones that followed. That sounded like a Zipper Zipping, and she thinks it is the funniest thing in the world, but. It's very funny, but at the same time you know it's, it's like when you have something you're all set in your on dead silent in the reporters to sit on the bed and nothing can. Provoke a movement like that, that would make a sound like that. You know you. You get tough and you're like Gung Ho about it, and it's like happens you kind of step back. You're like Oh. Shit, you know. I've always gotten my best kind of evidence being you know provoking and instigating, it's not the safest way, and I don't recommend it for everybody, but I've been knock on wood. Lucky enough to not have any. You know super dangerous experiences with that type of investigating. So. What kind of equipment do you use when you investigate? I went with my like I, said my forty dollar EDP recorder, which is just it was just a little voice reporter. I had Olympic Spe- slit can just Kinda, push it into your laptop, and recorded up that way, and my Mike Camera Order my recorder Video Camera, and I had an ems detector that was again, not the highest quality in probably fifty sixty dollars that I got. I think for my birthday. Those kind of things that I went with I experimented of course with Lino the APPS on your iphone. It's that's all kind of you. Know a horse thief at that point, because of all the things that can interfere with it, and I never really believed in any of that stuff on your phone, but those three things are the main things they always used because I always brought the best kind of evidence, the best results with. Simple stuff you know not expensive stuff, not the super high tech stuff, and of course a love to have that stuff you know use other investigators, shredder host of darkness radio and. Sir Files he has for life and account rep, or what it's called, but it took. The EMS electric mandate fields and it. Kinda converted into words in this. It was like a speaker. It almost looks like at home and I remember the Stanley one time. He was walking in circles around, and what fat thighs and he was like okay cool? Stuff like that you know and Davis not that and don't get me wrong. I love uncle the. But when stuff like that, you're like we out, you know. I'd love to have something like that, but that was always just so pricey and I was never. Able to get something like that. My simple stuff that I used always got great results for me. Yet we so the team that I'm a part of. We have a version I I know we talking about I can't think about what it's called. we have the one. does not have a screen, so you don't know what word is being produced, but It's got a various got that typical like eight zero boys yeah, like a speaking, voice and It's great, but the same time it's not the clearest, so you know as with AVP's. It's up to interpretation. As to what's being said interestingly enough. We do get one word or a these. When we were investigating few years ago, we get one word. No matter where we went and that word was cornelius. Yeah and it's weird because you know. We looked up a dictionary not too long after we started to get it, and it's not one of the words program to that particular model. So yeah, so how getting Cornelius WHO's Cornelius? His Day but we haven't used the OCULUS that's what it's called. We have not used it off in a while, but when we're using it Yeah, we would always get the word Cornelius. That we eventually we began a event company and we started paranormal convention here in Houston and renamed the company Cornelius Inc after the goes at all around, yeah. Tied to a certain place, but I think that you know because you've always everyone's had investigate heads, experiences of their battery, straining or their lights, not working, you know. I worked with chip coffee for a little while to during those goes to ventures. Ben said he was huge on the lights. He would just turn on just enough. You know so that it would be kind of on the cusp of leading up but it. It wouldn't, he would sit there and when he'd ask a question, and it would flicker I am a firm believer that they can use you know power you know outlets and batteries and stuff like that, and that they attach themselves to stuff like an Oculus you know, and so the Cornelius is probably something that my mom we still meet them routes up in home. I was grounded. Knocking what I never anything home at least not. Right you know exactly. What form of evidence do you find more reliable VP's or video? I. I love ADP's I've mentioned that several times already because like in I am huge on making sure that whenever I am with you know if I'm with one other person or group that you debunk anything that you here because anything can be interpreted as you know as evidence as you can hear a Russell and some could be like Oh my God. That was growl. Growl from demand you know, but you have to so clear on that. Put in videos in the video that I had mentioned earlier in you know, it was just my friend, and I and I just panned over and this just justice black shadow, and you know to have not seen it when I'm recording on the LCD screen and not seen it in person. And reviewing it later, I think that there is something to be said for when he catch something so. I just so bizarre on screen. You know, take videos and pictures all the Times in God's orbit on like no, that's that's A. That's a particle of dust, but it's cute, you know. They're glad you brought that up. Because that was actually my next question. I WanNa, know okay so. Since I now w. a skeptical believer because you hadn't heard that term till now, 'cause what that's what I call myself. you know I like you have always been fascinated with paranormal i. Read all about it since I was as soon as I could read, that's all we do is pick up books on the paranormal and supernatural and. I actually started investigating in two thousand and four, and when I started, I was hardcore bleed. And everything you know, and and any evidence I caught was legitimate paranormal evidence and We are sixteen years later. What was that right sixteen years earlier? Yeah, I am skeptical believer where I. Even though I have had a few personal experiences because I. Don't have objective proof. I don't consider them evidence I. I need to have objective proof in order to actually to actually believe it and. As much as I believe people when they tell their stories I, don't believe them because the mine tend to exaggerate anyway. And especially in the past he passed either exaggerate the past, or you romanticize the past either way you're adding things to it. That aren't weren't originally there so saying all that to say. What are your thoughts on orbs? Visual and auditory pair Julia. So orbs, I always thought were interesting topic only because it's so easy to kind of take a picture of several years actually use the man's war former Tory, because when people think that you know most people associated with the shawshank redemption and old dusty shipping, pay kind kinda stuff. If you take a picture in an environment like that ninety nine percent of the time, you're gonNA. Get some sort of you know particles on the picture and. You know most people who. Are experienced, but our inexperience. Look at that, and I'm like Oh my God orbs on this and don't understand that orbs you know, will they? If you take a video, an Indus- particles, just kind of float, but orbs have a distinct pattern, and if I ever I don't think I personally have ever caught an orb on my own. Equipment but if you can compare it side to side, it makes it so much easier to tell you know. They're almost kind of like living beings. You know for lack of a better term that. Dance and half patterns in have specific movements like both Dart Onscreen, and they'll go alongside something. And you know a, and then they'll dart off screen. I think that those if if they are. Definitely orbs I think they are a huge huge kind of a wake of evidence for people, but it's. It's just so hard to differentiate you know most people really happy experienced, see bat, onscreen, versus just dust, but. What about paired thoughts on audio visual Dollah? I. I am obviously I noticed that before, said it again but I love audio I am all about the audio, and only if only because I've been taught from, you know to debunk it's there's just no way around that. If you trust the people that you're with, and you know you're yourself are experienced enough to. If the second, you know the slightest noise that you hear you, but if you say what that was, but something made a noise. You know there's there's just absolutely no way to explain some of the stuff that you get. And like I said video. Even audio nowadays is so easy to to mess up into screw and to make. You know on May. Get something that Youtube will get a million views like you know. There's like real life goes con camera, but. Nowadays, but if you trust the people that you're with and you know. Excuse me what you're doing yourself. There's just no way to debate some of the things that you can catch you know. There's just no way around. Sometimes. It's so easy on shows like. Ghost hunters in in goes adventures in although stuff, because like you said earlier about affecting. You're squeezing all that stuff into an hour, but they don't tell you that. Most of the time that's that's over the course of. Years and years and When dosa ventures crew when they do their lockdown there from sunup to sundown there usually they're from eight pm to seven am. That's eleven twelve hours and they have to. Sometimes even sometimes episodes can be kinda boring because they got you know such little evidence, but it's so easy to get frustrated when that's the case in the to you know from people like you and I were skeptical believers now. Can Get really frustrating when you're even when you have experiences, experience at your like that was definitely a spirit I was there for that. This is unbelievable. You know the the next week. You're at a different place and you get nothing. It's so easy to be like. Not. So easy to get frustrating, just WANNA throw in the towel. But it's the little ones like Reeburg. You know that really just Kinda. Make you stop and think that. This there's something out there I've definitely contacted it. Let's get into. Let's get into The Stanley Hotel, and you described at least in your email as the craziest shit that happened. So us about that so I did the Stanley Hotel. Twice with three times I went when I was younger actually with my family. That was probably ten and just explored it and I remember my dad's snuck me up. You know a couple of floors, so we can see the room. That Jim Carey stayed in and all that fun stuff, but. The the first one that I, the first experience that I did there. I stayed with. My friend Morgan in the room there in the second one I stayed alone the second one. That I. Did where I stayed alone in my room that was where we got creeper and the Zippers being all that fun stuff and that was when. I had my first physical experience where we were just kind of goofing around early in the day and I remember going into the bathroom and I. Three Scratch Marks on my left shoulder, and I remember literally bolted onto my room when I went to sign. Dave schrader uncle Dave as he made me, because I was so young at the time that I was the youngest the youngest investigator so to speak there that I he called me uncle. Dave and nobody would hit on me or talk to. Him and he was like okay well. If you're going to open a portable Hal, make sure you know what you're GonNa, do and you know, don't don't come crying to me about it and like okay. Right that night I remember they have a channel there. That just plays the shining on loop. I've read hours a day seven days a week. Because obviously, that's you know what it's. It's majorly known floor. Remember I had that on a fell asleep to it. I woke up. It's a little after three, which three three thirty switching our and I. I have a firm believer in that because whenever I woke up around three thirty s when stuff kind of weird. Number Waking up in my TV was on and went to shut it off. Port Maradonna rollback over my came back on, and a member was like you know maybe the button sensitive. The remotes work whatever again. Turn it off sitting there looking at it, it's off back over. It comes back on, and it's just static at this point, and I couldn't get it to change and that you know even though it's not like physical, saying I personally feel any energy like I said earlier I I am an absolutely for that. Spirits will use any sort of technology. They can drain to get power and communicate that way. Have it shut off and then turn back on, and then shut off and turn back on and the second time it turns back on. It's not even on the scene channel that I had it on. You know and I I. At that point. I got up and I was like I'm GonNa. Go sleep with Morgan. Your Room that night, but it's it's. That the the physical getting scratched, that was when we got creeper. There was another instance, so my friend Tiffany was also there, but she had a separate room so during breaks when we're not investigating. We're not doing like the you know the meetings all that fun stuff all the presentations that they did a we were just goof around. We went down. We got permission to go in. They have a big scale dollhouse in in the basement that apparently there's this big story behind where this dollhouses haunted and their spirits in that they gave us the okay to go, and we crawl the Maryland sat in there in the dark with our reporters and we would. Try to get as much evidence around the entire building. We could were sitting this time. We were in Tiffany's room. And this time Mark Debbie. Constantino both of them since passed since then, but for sure you know the renown EDP experts. They were the nominal in their line of work they they knew everything about it. They could. They had all the equipment. They were just fantastic at it and we were. We we were just using a piece of paper at this time. Saying you know papers light. If you WANNA communicate with us, and you can't sneak just moved paper, you know. We had it teetering on of a table. Just push it away. Whatever and we got a recording the VP of a voice, saying holy cow in a whisper that was clear as day. We didn't know we didn't notice it. It until later, and you know immediately review the evidence. We'd gone back a little bit later. Even showed it tomorrow and dad being. They were astonished, and we knew it wasn't asked. Because a the three of us were experienced enough to debunk. If we whisper, something happened, but be nobody, says holy cow anymore. Anyway I think that a little bit earlier because I was thinking of the story you might. Not Anymore, so it was it was. Just a hotspot am I. was there for just a short of a week at that point, but that place is just it's crawling in. It was never any. Besides me getting scratched nothing ever really kind of terrifying sickly. Ticket, which is, it's just a hot spotting thing that was stirred up with so much activity people going because of seeing the shining when people going and wanting a ghostly experienced and stuff like that nothing was ever really threatening. Besides you know that once that I got an even then I got scratched, but it wasn't I didn't draw blood or anything. It was just marks, and now it's the only real physical thing happened. I. Don't think anything there was ever really you know. Demonic are really know mean. Vengeful for anything, but the evidence that you can get there I mean it's just it's literally round every corner. The I remember specifically to the elevator that takes you up in the main hotel. Building is just constantly electric like you're. In the dark, you can see when you get zapped, which is? A huge sign of activity in both and away for energy to eat off of so I think pulse a lot to with it being so active all the time. Is that everything static electricity all the time? When I do remember seeing a episode goes. Ghost Hunter Gaz Ghost hunters when they When they went to the Stanley. And there's a part where it's like inbetween. The investigations and they're like in the hallway and one of them. was accidentally shocked by like A. Metal light that's on the outside of the room and they realized because there's so much static so like they would take turns walking up to while rubbing their feet, and then putting their finger on, so you get the biggest shock, and it was just it was the funniest thing to see, but yeah, I, remember that it's that much that staff every time they walk across the carpet and went to touch it. They would shock them every single time. I. Don't know what it is. I don't know if it's if you know if it's because of that energy there or vice versa, if that fuels the energy there, but I like I said we would go into the elevator late at night. Go Down, and if we touch the button, you know the lobby, it would zap so hard that like creative light that you can see. It got to the point where we were so scared. We didn't use the elevator anymore. I don't want get shot to just take. A three bites stairs rolling whatever source that the air still thin there that it's exhausting by the time you get down there. You can't breathe, but it's better than getting shot. I would say so. So do you Have you. Have you done any investigations locally in your area and do you do Residential Investigations. I have done I think the most offense they find the most fun investigation that I did so an eerie local brewery Bourne restaurant now fell. The Union station can be used to be a train station and it is. It's still pretty significantly old, fashioned style, not renovation, and the back side of it is. It's actually up on a hill and train still run through several times A. A day I mean it's it's pretty pretty solid. Pre Stuck in history, and beneath that by a post office. They just call it the tunnels and it's what it is. It's an old channel for where they would kind of transport mail and do storage and I've gone down there I've actually done a excuse me a lockdown so to speak where my friend I met from Garrett and I. Stayed there for the nights and we went there eight PM, and we left at five thirty in the morning and one of the stories behind that there is that there was a little girl who was a daughter of one of the engineers, and she fell down a flight of stairs by the kitchen and it killed her. It ultimately she was I. believe seven at the time seven eight. They said, but when I had done that. The I actually contacted the owner of that and he agreed that you know they do the local like Halloween tourists and stuff. He's like I've never had an actual investigator. Come to collect evidence or you know. Stay the whole night to do that and while we didn't get I. Don't think we've got a whole lot of significant evidence. It was my first experience where around three in the morning I got so physically sick. Sick that I couldn't really I mean it was just in there somewhere out there video of me were like I just I didn't WanNa talk. I DIDN'T WANNA. Do anything I was so overcome with like nausea to such a powerful heading, it was just out of the blue to which normally cow is up late. I was tired, but to just kind of hit a wall. Where you know you don't WanNa talk. You don't WanNa do anything I was sick. I was sweating shaking and after maybe an hour before we had left about. Five Ish! It kinda just just went away. So that was a really. One of the better local experiences I've had. I have done a couple residential places. I did a place in Tiffin Ohio my friend Morgan, who had done? The adventure goes to venture grew with. She had a neighbor who her granddaughter had seen said that she talked to. The girls with black is closet, so we can you know you hit up one of those leaving for the night? She's like okay by. Don't forget the. Was it like I'm sorry. For that one I remember that one because of you know in every single place I swore that I've done has had different lake. STIGMAS BEHIND IT I get sick or I guess scratched, or you get the hair in the back of the next day up I remember that one where we were in the bedroom and it got so cold that we can see our breath, which is another kind of like Tall Tale behind paranormal that you don't believe scary movies and stuff all the time, but until they're sending, you know a bedroom in the middle of summer, and you can see your breath in front of you, it's. Wild, it's all. Normally expect but yeah again. Just some sort of evidence catcher, really just kind of reminding what you're doing and how scary and how real it can be, but at the same time it's super exciting. So! Have you already eaten investigated like the your Holy Grail of places, or is there a holy grail and you haven't been to yet? I want to go to the Goldfield Hotel in Nevada now I'm not sure Alfred Clare with the ghost adventures you are because adventures, crew and other stuff that was kind of their main. Before Entry. Their documentary in in Zach to this day swears they went into one room in. That brick just flew across the in. A now, believing honestly I believe that he honestly didn't Dr. the evidence. That I'll have no reason to believe that they would. That's that's a horrifying experience, and they cried on the window because they had the only. You know 'cause they say locked the keys taken away, and they crawl out of the wind out. They were so scared so that Kinda always. Wanted to go, because something so powerful so strong and heavy that they can throw brick and get out on video now and they show you seen the video. The they turned tail of Ron as They were young. I would have done the same thing. I'm not judging them or anything but. Imagine, being with a spirit or entity out there that has that kind of power. You know the things that happened there to gold. Ulama talen. I love to go to the eastern state penitentiary to compel. You always thought that would be cool. Not Just Kinda like, does it? I really liked the whole prison vibe. The had show performance. And, that's not. That's not too far from us it it's It's about a six or seven hour drive which grant? Thing isn't that far, but Waverley liberally he'll. Sanatorium is about a five hour drive to I thought that would be Kinda cool to do. My friend Tiffany had gone there, and she had a lot of fun experiences. They're a lightly because it's also terrifying, but I always thought that'd be kind of cool place to do. That's a member of the crew investigated that they got a lot of the body screams and that kind of. Of thing ever since the Mansfield Art the reformatory that with Aaron we that disembodied one that one's always kind of been like kind of struck me in a weird way more fascinating for to get like a disembodied scream to have an entity who has such power that they can scream know without having any other sort of form of communication is GONNA. Be just a horrifying experience in a horrifying story to tell you know. I would love love to do the Goldfield Hotel if only because of their documentary. Right yeah, I have a big fan of David and Tim and been a darkness radio listener for a long time and I remember every time they will talk about. The waverly hills would said that it was you know anybody who goes. We'll see at least a shadow and he. I think he had to experiences that stick the most me. One was when he saw a shadow being krone on the stealing. And another one was when he was talking to someone, and all of a sudden saw a shadow person right pine that person just appear out of nowhere, so he's from what he says. You know anybody who goes. We'll have at least a shadow person experience there. Yeah, they do. They do the open guided tours and stuff with tour, guides and stuff and I I mean. I can't imagine doing that. With a group of people. Let alone being locked alone. Mike how they do it. Take a lot of guts to do what they do. especially somewhere like the waverly hills sanatorium, but that place is crawling with energy that I would love to but I'd probably pulled Zach and era. Crawl out. The window of anything like that really happens, but. I wouldn't I like to think that I'd be brave enough to stay for the night. So I mean I know there's the coronavirus has everything kind of on a lockdown but What does the future look like once? All this has cleared out. What are you going to be doing? So there is a cemetery around here It's just called the Erie cemetery and it was established in I. Think January eighteen. Eight, thousand, nine, hundred, I wanNA say there's a sign that I drive by every time you know I swear. They got rid of it I would never know it would say but I've heard more recently over the last year, or so than I had before about stories where people are walking around at night, and they see shadow figures and that kind of place. Never really you know. I was always kind of like cemetery's at nighttime. Yeah, like animals and stuff running around, and you have squatters and stuff unfortunately, but you know there's just no way to kind of confirm that it's an entity that you're dealing with when it's open to the public all know. People I've had people who have told me about their experience there were they. They go to walk at early early in the morning, but when it's still dark and they you know they think they hear somebody talking to them and interning and there's nothing there, so but I I think at this time because of you know people neglecting to listen to any of the laws that are put out there that the security of super heading where you go right now, so I'm not trying to go over in the middle of the night and have a cup like excuse me. What the hell are you doing out here without a mask on? This all clear don I love to go crawl through the air and some of the Muslims are. kind of open, you know some of the older richer families and stuff like that have it opens? I love to go crawl through there and just to see just you know not even necessarily look for anything paranormal just to go and experience to see if anything could happen, you know maybe if southern parent will have happened to investigate it more seriously in the future, but. Cemeteries and stuff like that. Always they always have a word five on. That might think but aware no really good way. So is there some where people can go online to see Evans that you've captured? Years or There's not now an honestly at half. Kinda headed all collected to my myself until you know emily and you had gotten contact with me about doing this, and once I unpack all of my stuff for real, and hopefully find maybe recorder and finds a my hairdresser for that camera that I get up with my CDs I was actually consider doing sorta like a blog or even just like a tumbler account where I can post it all just because. Being it's such a small environment of people who you know. You can really trust to put evidence out there that you know doctor you know, and I can be one of those people you put stuff on Youtube like scary ghost voice in the middle of the night. You can't trust at any you know so. I've now post my own experiences on there, but I just have to find his find my commitment. I think. So, but yeah I think that you know even those old pictures on a on my facebook account, and they're not anything. like evidence wise, but just a bunch of goofy pictures of me in the ghost adventures grown Dave. Schrader and Jeff Belanger and all that stuff when I did all that. Questions of those out there, but nothing evidence lies yet. Is there some where people can go to follow you. You have like a youtube page or or like a Pacific like instagram or facebook page where you people can volleyball your ventures, or do you have like that set yet? I have something like that set yet. Actually my friend, Morgan, the one I keep talking about craft She'd moved to Nashville for her career, but she is going to come back. To Ohio, where she lived, which is about two and a half hours away from me now when she comes back her and I are going to get back into investigations and had agreed to start a youtube channel. Since like I said earlier, we WANNA be like a source of information that people could trust, and people can rely on and two girls. Don't know anything about go to shop video, editing or anything like that you know. Who can you trust more than two girls barely not in computer. Hopefully out there and in my face, look is just you know of my name Carnegie recognizes my Instagram, but when she does, come back and we do start youtube channel. I will absolutely be short, you know. Let you know. See can tell people in the PODCAST, but. With the lockdown and everything in moving like that, it's just been. It's been lately, but hopefully if anything, this kind of lack of. People around lack of a crowd has kind of stirred up energy. You know when they say you know construction and stuff like that and homes canisters up energy, and hoping that this kind of lack of people around all the time has kind of been storing of something so in this lockdown is lifted that we can go back out and you know. Get some real good stuff to record. Answers out there. It'd be great to go get out there and all of a sudden. It's just like you know. Go central out there because. Like awesome, no people out in Italy that pigs have been roaming the street I'm hoping that with no people out area that goes. Make this. We did a a news story on one of our. Recently about think it was a town in Ireland I think that was overrun by goats. Because same thing, people weren't out in the street, so the coaches came in and took it over. Honestly it's funny, but it at the same time it does make you wonder if goats and supper taking over nature just as it was before, who's to say that you know people say that lots of influx of crowds influx of construction and stuff like that in certain environments can draw spirits out headlined dormant for years and years. You can have you know who's to say that I decided to add a second story or third story to my house that this construction wouldn't stir up spirits and stuff that were there lying dormant that I never knew of because everything was just stagnant also hopefully. Hopefully maybe a fingers crossed that something like this at of stir up a little bit energy out there that might get them Kinda restless because he's out there running around trying to talk to them right now. As well, you know we're bored at home. They're bored out there. Lord. Hi Well, this has a lot of unbreathable. He's much for coming on a really appreciated. I'm really excited to see what evidence you do finally. Get up on the on your blog a website. Once he ended up I really WANNA. See that video because I always love it here with Mike Shadows and missing stuff, and those fascinated me the most so. It was pretty soon. Me To thank you so much for having this with so much fun I'm so happy to share my experiences with you and have someone to talk to about somebody that enjoys it is watch his idea so. As, soon as I, got that than video award. I gotta go on Ebay Hampshire. The somebody out there teknor who's got had like a quarter for ten or something like that, but the second that I do you'll be the personnel I promise. I mean yeah I mean the funny thing is old technology coming back around so at some point you'll find a cable. I'm sure. Somewhere out, there I could probably dig up old one. Maybe that I still have, but it will be. There is like I said I have the stacks of CDs and everything so. It's all still in there. It's also are waiting, but it polaroid's violence and come back. The next cable can come back, you know. Wherever video of me no black shadow and you know even in the video, not saying anything about it, so you know not seeing analyses screen only thing it later, so we'll. We'll find it. We'll dig it up. It'll be just as exciting as the first night. I got it. I know it will. Guys thanks so much for listening to this special mini episode called rest. Stop There'll be more coming to you. Hope you enjoyed it. Take care.

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Ep. 76 Pt. 2 Return to the LAPD Museum Investigation | 24th Anniversary 1997 North Hollywood Shoot Out

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Ep. 76 Pt. 2 Return to the LAPD Museum Investigation | 24th Anniversary 1997 North Hollywood Shoot Out

"Bank wash for being shot on the suspect that more the bank of america and part of it. It was just another normal day in los angeles on february twenty eighth of nineteen ninety seven and the residents of north. Hollywood were driving. Up and down laurel canyon running their errands attempting to make it on time to work and for some of those residents that needed to stop at their local bank of america. You know the one of laurel canyon between victory and bannon if only they knew that just walking past those stores shortly after nine pm that they would witness and be a part of one of the most intense robbery and police shootings in us history. Your parking lot started. Think provided a form. A recover you because the officers On today's episode of holly weird paranormal. It's another return to the los angeles police museum in highland park california. We were invited to do another investigation on the anniversary of the north. Hollywood shootout of nineteen ninety seven. Grab your k. To your or maybe you're s. Ls camera and myself that lytle along with grief seekers paranormal sherry and gloria as we head back to the museum to conduct a second investigation within the north hollywood shootout exhibit according to mission. Laurie the assistance. There there's been a lot of activity that has been occurring around that exhibit and it just so happens to be the week of the twenty four th anniversary of the north hollywood shootout and stay tuned to find out what messages we collected from the other side. Let's get holly weird as we return to the los angeles police museum. Welcome to episode seventy six of hollywood paranormal. Podcast you're about to listen to part two of our investigation at the los angeles please museum. We highly recommend that. You get caught up with episode seventy-five apart one of our investigation at the los angeles police museum. Due to the graphic nature of this episode listener discretion is advised. Now let's get holly weird if you're living in los angeles during a ninety seven. Do you remember what you are doing. Or where you. At the day of the north hollywood shootout. This is a question that i actually asked a couple of my neighbors. I actually developed a pretty good friendship with quite a few of them. Because my dog mia we always go walking around the neighborhood or the pocket as we called it because it just felt like a pocketful of cookie cutter houses in this little dot in north hollywood. That is actually five minutes away. From where the north hollywood shootout occurred a few weeks back. I remember striking a conversation with quite a few of them in their front yards. And telling them that i was doing an investigation at the los angeles police museum specifically within the north hollywood shootout exhibit. Their mouths dropped. The instantly started sharing their stories of where they were at. And how they remember so vividly. The events of february twenty eighth nineteen ninety-seven quite a few of them even remember being at home and walking in their front yard and seeing the helicopters fly overhead hearing the gunshots and the commotion. Let's chat with a few of them. So where were you on february. Twenty eighth of nineteen ninety seven. So i live about five minutes from the location. This is my neighbor gloria. And she's lived in the pocket for quite some time. we're also joined by our mutual friend and neighbor sherry. The both of them were actually present during our second investigation at the los angeles police museum. And i i figured out something was going on when i heard helicopters circling and it's la. So you really kind of take it with a grain of salt but for some reason i turned on the tv to see if they were covering anything and sure enough. There were the photos from the helicopter of the shootout happening in. I remember you could hear the gun shots from my house. And i remember the the the helicopter shot of one of them. I don't know who we shooting directly at the helicopter. And how afraid. I was at that was gonna come out of the sky. It was it was horrifying looking at someone shooting this rifle at a helicopter. Five minutes from your house but equally horrifying was as the shootout win on was to see these armored vehicles. Driving up laurel canyon. And i'm thinking this is my neighborhood. How can there be armed vehicles. Rolling up laurel canyon it was. It was so surreal. I remember i was really scared. I didn't. I didn't really know why because it was sort of there wasn't like you know the other side of my fence but still when you see that amount of violence you can't help but think oh my god is coming my way or the are they going to get away. Are they gonna come down. Here was just horrifying. I just can't. And i think that day or the day after i was actually supposed to be across the street at sears. Getting my tires changed in my car and remember thinking i can't go. I don't think. I went for like two weeks after that. I couldn't even go in that area. The north hollywood shootout was definitely one of those pivotal moments in los angeles history. Then made and still for exactly forty four minutes and just to get a few or most if you caught up to date or just to refresh your memory about what happened on february. Twenty eighth of nineteen ninety-seven to armor armor-clad figure standing calmly outside of the bank of america were spewing machine. Gun fire at a swarm police officers shooting back with pistols from behind car doors and trees within minutes. The parking lot outside of the bank of america in laurel canyon boulevard in north hollywood was on tv screens across the country. As shocked viewers watch the battle. Unfold life feeds from network helicopter circling overhead and for forty. Four minutes outgunned officers. Engaged the bank robbers dodging bullets rescuing their wounded and peppering their targets with hundreds of shots. That bounced off harmlessly. Gradually their shots probed opening in their adversaries armor as a swat team arrived from afar to equalize the firepower. The north hollywood shootout ended with the two robbers. Larry phillips junior h twenty six and a meal muffed serano thirty dead in the street close to eleven or twelve officers. Were severely wounded and eight bystanders. Were also wounded within the crossfire. But none were killed. Miraculously what was the atmosphere like in that area after the shootout just. I want to see a couple of weeks afterwards. Was it still kinda chaotic with news. Reporters and detectives and police offers. Yeah there was all of that going on but in general to you could feel within the neighborhood. There was this tentativeness of everybody who lived in this area. That i it was. It was like people didn't know what to do with what they had seen. You know they were just in shock for quite some time. I think a lot of people residents of the air of this general area did not go up there for quite some time because the bullet holes lasted for so long. The key shop across the street was all shot up. You could see that for so long that if you were to go into that area just brought it all back you know. It opened up a lot of wounds for a lot of people mentally absolutely absolutely. Do you feel like attention. Every time or like a cringe. Every time you hear like helicopters go over your head yes yes yes. A helicopter went my house the other day and shining lights in my backyard and my neighborhood. And i'm like oh no no. It's like you're sort of. Ptsd from the whole thing riley about you sherry. Where were you when you experience february. Twenty eighth nineteen ninety-seven well. It was about nine thirty. I decided i was going to do. Some gardening and i was hearing helicopter realized i hear heard a helicopter just above me hovering and so i was looking on with my gardening and i realize now he's over here and then he was over here and just back and forth. I for what was going on. And i did hear gunshots but i didn't realize what i was hearing and my phone rang was my brother-in-law and he said i asked him i don't he wanted something else but i said you know what's going on. I said no. I think there's something going on. But i'm not sure so. Got off the phone with him. Came in and turn on the tv in my first shot was the overhead. Shot of larry phillips shooting. I couldn't believe what i was saying. And i just that was it i was. I wasn't supposed to go to work until Probably two o'clock. I think it was one or two and i got time for this so i sat down. Started watching it and was mesmerized. Like watching a show it was. It was so surreal and to watch these two guys so calmly walking down the street. When i'm jumping around inside thinking how can these guys be so calm and And they're showing the cops running and you know they're they're shooting your seat you see. You're seeing all these police cars that were in the positions that they were and you see people behind them and it was still. I still couldn't believe what i was seeing and remember. My brother-in-law calling from denver. Saying what the heck is going on there. And i said i. I'm not sure what's going on there. Of course we're talking. The the newscasters are saying what's going on and it was. I used to work right across the street from there and that see's candy and which is now gone and i had been gone for years but it was still it was. I knew exactly where everything was. Were you know the key. The dentist you know Guy was there. And i just knew exactly what was going on in wear so and unlike a lot of people i had this need. I need to go to work. You know i mean. I've got to get ready for work. And then i hear. We're on lockdown. We're on lockdown down to burbank boulevard. Oh yeah and so. And i'm thinking to you. How am i going to get all this responsibility and sell people leave their chocolate. I i kept thinking. I should've stayed home. But i went to work. Made it there by five o'clock. Oh my god. I went to work. Yes i'm duty bound and But unlike other people. I was curious when i came home that night. It was about eleven o'clock i drove down that street and it was dead silent and not that i expected a bunch to be going on even though i wouldn't have been surprised but it was too real to me was all the chalk marks on the ground with the bullets were where everything was and all of this and and i felt. I don't belong here. But i felt this need to go down there and it was There may be few people milling about but it was pretty late and dark and only my headlights. Could i really see these. What i was seeing was it was. I just got this really weird feeling and then driving up. And i couldn't see much on the the at at the bank and i knew what was there. I knew there was all shot up and i did see one poll that you could see pieces of wood coming out and i knew the tree over there. I mean 'cause you saw the whole thing so it was Surreal just like we're for anybody was for me to and but i just felt this need to go down there and then i've heard this was on a friday and i heard by monday. Be avai had patched everything changed everything so it didn't look like anything happened but that was one little spot. Everything around them still had bullet holes in them. And i'm sure. I'm pretty sure there's a a an apartment building near the still has bullet holes all my guy and there was a man there who was in the bank and i remember seeing him. They talk to him later and he picked up one of the bullets and he made out of it and lender forget that and him wearing this year he had an earing hot irene bullets yes and i don't know what happened to him but i just remember that and it's it was something that was whenever i go up there i always think of it. I don't go up to very often. But i never go by that. I don't think of that of course and it was. It was something that was was. I mean to find out that. I mean the the whole united states and probably all around the world heard about it new not it so it was something that will that will always stay with me and it was very It was it was upsetting. It was exciting and it was but it was very sad and it turns out that i knew one of the swat officers. I remember you telling me that. And it was Somebody i knew from from childhood and went to school was and i was shocked to see him but it was. You know i knew he was a police officer. And i didn't swat but Yeah very was so. It was something like i said. It will always be with me something. I will never forget any customers how that you have any yet. I was a celebrity. Ira yes i do remember talking to a few of them. Because i came in late i was supposed to be there at one o'clock it was. It was my our and it was five o'clock in like new. So where do you here. And i don't know. I just because i i was a manager and i felt i need to be here. This is my job. Which but i mean i. I had a perfectly good. Excuse me when you're lockdown. Not going anywhere. So i think it was. It was like three o'clock or so when we could finally leave because they still thought there was another third suspect. Our lockdown so anyway. That's my story. If resilience was the person it would definitely be sherry. Gesture need to get up and do her job and also support. Her community just speaks volumes of her personality. But there is another thing that she brought up to that was mentioned before the third gunman Yes the third gunman theory. This was something that was brought up during our second investigation at the lapd museum through bob and sheri and we definitely use this as a question that we presented during the asked. This method enduring are edp sessions within the exhibit as well according to a march two thousand elliott times article. It was definitely a surprise. Twist and it came from a lawyer representing an lapd officer who attempted to introduce in federal court the possibility of a mysterious third gunman in the bloody north hollywood bank up and this specific individual evaded a police dragnet and has never been caught according to the lawyer for the police officer who questioned a woman who says she saw heavily armed man running from the vicinity of the shootout and into shed under her apartment window followed by another witness account by gentleman. Who goes by that. I looked out of my window and there is a man running. He hopped over the fence and ran into the shed with a machine gun. Now according to deputy city attorney. Donald vincent who confirmed in an interview but the lapd sent police dogs into that same shed and the dogs discovered evidence of someone in the shed however. The police did demolish the shed but no suspect was ever found. The date is february. Twenty eight twenty twenty one and the time seven. Oh eight pm onto the steps of the lapd museum where greeted by michel. I'm clutching my back filled with equipment for tonight's investigation. I'm actually nervous. Maybe a little excited but actually nervous considering that today is the twenty four th anniversary of the north hollywood shootout. I'm kind of curious. How tonight will end up. We'll be almost the same as the first investigation that we conducted a few weeks ago over there be any more surprises from larry or meal. Who knows. I'm then led into the meeting room where i'm greeted by familiar faces. I see laurie bob. And even my neighbors gloria and sherry talk about coincidences. Well that seems to be the theme right. It was a coincidence. That when i ran a sherry we vote. The chair chaired our passion for the la dodgers dogs and even the paranormal sherry and glory. I created the group called grief seekers paranormal and they were a static when i invited them db apart this investigation. What can i tell you about sharing gloria's investigations. Well let's just say that if you can survive investigation at the wash. Oh club in. Virginia city nevada. Then you can survive any investigation period alongside with me. We'll be matt lytle from the last investigation and the podcast booze. Imbros then soon greeted by chairman officer. Bob l. unease with a big surprise refresh my memory. But i think one of these has a felony record and then once it fake they got later had a real and fake one because if he tried to apply for jobs do something sensitive then his real history shows up on one of them. Is that an exclusive. Put his no this. He ordered a laser to put on his one of his rifles. All my gosh. So this is the container that remember and part seventy five were. The theme turned into trigger. Objects well bob certainly brought one major trigger object that we were able to use for this investigation. It was the briefcase that belonged to a meal mata serano and it held so many personal items that belonged to him. A lot of it was paperwork and even personal documents such as birth certificate immunization card and two'social security cards one fake one real. And then i noticed this container. It kind of looked like a stick of dynamite. Bob tells me that that was actually container for a laser that he had purchased from a store in long beach that he was going to use one of his rifles for the shootout. But the more that we take the more than we noticed the surveillance photos. Bob wholesome out and us the photos that they had taken before the shootout of different locations that they wanted to hit fertilizer division so this knowing that like he opened yet to put it on a gun. Shoot people so creepy. They need this surveillance of some of these places so this is his surroundings photos. So let me pick out a couple of good ones for your bob sorts through the photos to pull a few that we can use for documentation and to post in our social media as he's going through the photographs. We noticed that he comes to a section of them where she just what looks like a meals family but there is this one particular one that really struck me at first. They really didn't recognize a meal in this photograph because he was smiling and he looked so happy in the back of the photographic read great moments at magic mountain in this photographic that he is standing with a costume figure it looks like to be a roadrunner in the middle and on his left is wife from what i am assuming dark curly hair white shirt. Acid wash jeans. It was the nineties. And then there's this young boy standing in front of the costume figure. I'm assuming it's this child. He's between the ages of eight and ten. There's a meal standing right next to all of them. Happy almost looks like he's laughing but definitely set a different tone to see a different side of him and then it hit me. I was able to see meals humanity for the first time in these photographs. Aside from all the news footage that i would see on youtube from the nine hundred ninety seven north. Hollywood bank shootout. I didn't see the ski mask wearing armed. And armored criminal at all i saw a man who was a husband and a father. As i go through more of his personal photographs i notice the same woman from the magic mountain. Picture are in other photographs with him. Standing next to a black mustang driving away in a black mustang. It made me wonder if part of the reason why he did. These bank robberies was to make his wife happy to give her the things that he couldn't afford to give her but throughout the night throughout the entire investigation after viewing those photographs. The question kept them popping up in my mind. Why what snapped a meal where you pressured. I guess i'll get that answer as i conduct best. This method later on in the investigation. So we start to gather are immaterial our tools and the trigger objects from the briefcase as we make our way to the second level. We make it to the exhibit as we set our devices and begin our sessions war to communicate this. Whoever's here can you thank you so you know that it works are we talking with larry. Test that flashlight maybe go after. Yes okay thank you. Thank you gotta meal. We can turn out. This'll murray. Can you turn that off please. So we have lear side. Note those bob talking outside of the exhibit and please pardon any outside noise pollution. It is a busy street where the museum is located. So you're listening to actually our second session within the north hollywood shootout exhibit. We attempted to do a session with the rim pods and found no success. No communication at all and then sherry and gloria decided to bring in their flashlights. Little magnate. flashlights. The uses method before and many of their other investigations and had success so we attempted to use them in our second session and we found out that this was a better way to communicate with whomever or whatever was in that exhibit with us that night now for some of you who are not aware with the flashlight session or the flashlight method. You may have seen it on a few paranormal or goes hunting shows. I know i've seen it on a few ghost hunting shows. But what it involves is one or two. Flashlights specifically mini mag lights that turn on and off by rotating the head and handle in directions now according to gloria and sherry method is to turn on the flashlight and then slowly turn it off to the point where the flashlight turns off now what i noticed from their setup. That night was that they had to flush light station on the floor next to the trigger objects one or two a turn on after a question was asked but another thing that i noticed too beforehand and from what i observed from the duo. Is that as sherry and gloria. Were setting up the flashlights. There were stomping on the ground to make sure that the vibrations will be the cause of the flashlights turning on and off or interfere with session at all. It was myself. Loria sherry michel lori and matt all sitting and standing quietly in that room as the session was going forward debut here. You're are you talking about right now as you are. Thank you turn emil. Are you the one that stands behind nisha in her office. Turn on one of the flashlights. Is it someone else who stands behind me show in the office. Whoa where'd you get there. Was someone else someone else. Names keep a pin in this question. Answered that i just asked because we'll soon get an answer for it later as we conduct the s this method. All we know is that there's a walt but it he's in the basement and mandy but guided the joseph advani. Can you tell your flash later on. if it's manny. Turn on his way out was a view that killed at security are security guard in woodland hills so both of flashlights turned on they. They really like you guys. So was it a crime commander as true. When did that happen the oh. I didn't know that confirmation that you guys committed a crime before was like a test drive drew on. Please thank you very year number sitting with your father on the porch to give us like next to a trailer. You were holding dog really. What out of fear kiss it will great. There's a huge shadow of angel and it wasn't worth Was moving right behind. You want to leave. You want to consider this view. Was it cost out now. I was smaller out you. Did you guys did only ghana's target practice before you rob banks as you're doing you guys ever plenty other car. Robberies said long killed him life. I guess did you air kill any males is an email. This behind of course is key out later goes off. So do you guys know what's going on with that with that Censor what you're saying so apparently when the light goes off the means there's movement inside the case rate and off But it has to happen inside the case. Yeah it's been happening a lot. Yes that's what happened last time you were here. Oh it's been going on. And i could see it like while you're asking questions. It's been like going crazy journal. please thank you. Who are you sending out of the case test. If yes you go into this case right here because it's you guys it's your body's it's your armor is how you guys were when you died. I did move though. That is whatever is behind you. It keeps them moving behind. I think it remembers you. Wish you. I wanna wanna talk shit but that was calif. Do you guys remember calif. Oh this other do they really. You guys really didn't like him Calif work its head of security for his job. You didn't link someone of authority intimidating. U-haul live would definitely be both your answers about that. You think that'd be able disagree is in maybe colonel only ago. Can you the lights off in the case. Relation oftentimes diesel. Go on over. Who are you guys testing. The waters There's a couple of new faces with us today. We were there. You were shooting not too far away. You see the over our houses now. Are you proud of what you. Oh okay. well. I wouldn't be right. That's the way now. I mean i guess it's still. Are you still here. Were you able to leave this museum. They're stuck here okay. I've got a question. Do you want to leave this museum or do you like being by all of your gear if you like me my all your gear. And he's little mankins. That are supposed to be you guys. Let me know went on such huge right. Think about it. This is a whole display against around here. Thanks very monitor up a ten dollar bill. I didn't have a hundred look in the ninety s other through. I'm sure it could have on. Here's ten bucks. You said you like money. I need that back by the way we do live in. La there's ten dollars offer to you by the way. I'm gonna take a ride back with me. I thought twenty on me. But i didn't work. I want to know a meal. Did you have something wrong with your brain. Is this why you wanted to rob the banks. Okay were you sick a meal or was it all. Larry larry did he pressure you. Yeah i had a feeling. Larry was the mastermind because a meal. I'm looking at your photographs downstairs. And there's this beautiful picture of you and your wife. I think that's your wife and your son and magic mountain was that was that a happy time. Turn on that other flashlight. If you remember that time at magic mountain with your wife. Did you buy her that black. Mustang is that what you wanted up the bank to make her happy to get her things that you promised to get her. Did you really need all that money. Where you trapped into doing it. You guys got obsessed. They've got obsessed with it. They do it the first couple of times when you guys got you know. I'm kind of feeling while. I'm comfortable in both and i feel like i mean. We're really getting to a meal and asking him questions on rebel areas. Like don't you don't don't don't you feel you have iranian. Don't these questions right now. The number we talked about the suppression. There's there's a suppressive energy here only there's a bully you'd lose face urge her there. You go larry. Are you really are you. The leader eight meal. The meal you find on your. I don't mean to be rude there you go. Yeah was their third suspect in the north hollywood bank robbery flow relief. We were receiving so many intelligent responses with the flashlight sessions. It seems that there is a presence to there with us or possibly more. Maybe not connected to the exhibit but may be connected to someone within our group and everything will tie together in the last session that we conduct of this investigation as i proceed to be the guinea pig of the s this method. We couldn't believe that we received a response on the flashlight in regards to the third suspect. We call bob into the room which you heard him talking outside. He comes in and we try to conduct another session with the flashlights with him inside the room and surprisingly no luck. Maybe they're afraid of bob. But then after bob leaves the room matt asks a question and we capture an mvp. That is so clear. we'll replay it several times but here it is squat three hundred. Yes no yes hundred. Two hundred eighty five pounds. You should be able to three hundred goals weights. They're just steroids sherry actually notified me about this vp. I does she caught on her other recorder. And i went back on my audio and caught it too but here it is once more towards jazz. Did we hit a bit of a sensitive subject with these two semi jim buffs larry and meal based on. Matt's research of the duo. It turned out that. Larry met a meal at a gold's gym. And that's where the to hit it off could have been. The steroids made him a little more hot headed. Who knows we proceed. More with the flashlight sessions. Okay let's talk about. Do you like me. Should coming up here like up. Oh sorry start off kelly. Okay the boys do fall. A nation downstairs to her offense. Either one of you. Why forgets on taking. Do strictly on this floor lineup. For the s isn't does anyone walk around the first war that you know light forgets you care about the for okay. The flashlight session comes to an end as we feel as though we received what we needed in terms of intelligent responses with the flashlights. We felt that whatever or whomever was. They're definitely making communication and wanting us to know that he was definitely in charge for to be larry. Is he still calling the shots even in the afterlife silencing a meal patrolling him was he the leader and was there really a third suspect even though we received an answer that there was but we can't confirm one hundred percent we go ahead with spirit box session and kinda come up with no luck with that technique especially in that room especially with the rim pods like a spirit wants what it wants and wants to choose in different ways how to communicate with you with certain tools. We take a bit of a break. Bob ends up leaving. And then we go into the s this method now for some of you who are not too familiar with the estes method. Here's a little tidbit about it. Bss method is the process. By which one places a blindfold over ones. I and covers once ear with an headgear or noise cancellation headphones. That is plugged into a device such as an sp seven which creates white noise in order to commune with spirit and has been quaint. The s this method. Of course now the name came from carl pfeiffer connor randall and michelle tate who were searching for a new and different way to communicate with the other side. There brainstorm was convinced at the stanley hotel in estes park colorado in two thousand sixteen. Now how does it work. You need to people at the very least i'll elaborate. In a minute on variations. We found which works wonders. One set of sound isolating headphones which covers your entire. Earbuds will not work too much. Sound has the chance to filter through and one device which creates white noise such as the sp seven spirit box and a blindfold which fits tight. Taran is leading. No light end one person. The receiver so blindfold in the headphones and listens to the white noise. Scan either forward or backward. It doesn't matter for words or phrases to blurt out when he or she or they. Here's them and the other person the operator asks questions. That's the person that doesn't have the blindfold and or the headphones. It is a simple as that. The person with the blindfold and headphones cannot hear the other person asking the questions nor see their mouths moving to make up the words of those questions. The whole point of the experiment is to try to gain unbiased answers to remove group bias not to mention it also intensifies your sensory deprivation with something that has been practiced for ages even in the act of communicating with the dead. And we were all here for it. I volunteered as tribute to be the receiver to be the one donning. The blindfold and the noise cancellation headphones. This was my first time to participate in a methods. Such as this and i was definitely gained for it. Now join me as i blindfold myself apply the headphones and turn on the sp seven spirit pox. Hear nothing but white noise. Here's how everyone is standing in the room. Keep this in mind because something happens to me. That i can't even explain sherry is actually at by ten o'clock. Glory is right next to her. May twelve o'clock is matt with the camera. And it's just the four of us in the room media lawyer outside of the exhibit. I'm sitting down and on my right. Is where they have to display with the two mannequins and all my left is another display with the gloves and other items that larry in a meal were wearing and carrying that day. No one is standing behind me and their space and i remember this. Keep this in mind. And then we proceed with the method guys so our team there over saying we're gonna ask questions retell her. It's really simple. Just told him the answer to our questions. Was your mother a drug addict. Did you prison for drug possession. Maybe did you get your for real estate fraud or do they not catch you my time. Did you use your brothers. Id to get scrapes. Utah used throughout banks. What did you use your hands us to you too. Guess she's standing there who standing here the other. The third suspect is it. The third suspect female interesting. she's a third accomplice. She's the one who's listening. Here's a she money. Get the plan you are. You're not rolling banqueting living. There's no money did you money anywhere. Yes god did you tell anybody where course okay. Who's you tell. Do they have the money. You tell your wife article. I'm about to come up. come up. we're here now. her frayed. You're talking to who's sitting here with a blindfold on of course you asked me takes. It's me who was a senior shares of picture right here. Team his shirt. What's your name. Who are we talking to. I what is your name larry. New thank you this is. That's chip in. You don't say you're going to tell us where you are standby. Do you wanna talk to us. Is larry say salary warm. Are your free in bill. Del no no no. It feels like someone is right here. And they're walking. Okay as. I was sitting down concentrating. In almost in a hypnotic state. I guess you can say i felt this though. Someone was walking right behind me and i thought i was sherry but then again it kind of clicked in my head wait. There's no one behind me. And i would have felt sheri's footsteps walking past me to get behind me so who or what was behind me walking around. I don't know and right when we went back to the session. I think i got a confirmation. It's me larry. What is your last name before you changed it. Use it your last name larry for you changed it. I'm control you're in control of what i've got this. I'm coming you guys talking about. It sounds like the last day alive. Still reliving you know not necessarily residually but we take about in the last thought last talk last words. They said you know they passed away. Keep asking do you know you did. It is right now. there's no year it's a new year. It's not what you're on kgo whole ush. Oh watering hole. April okay guys. This is incredible. This is great user. Speaking with us this is like believing ghosts or anything but like this is proving that goes to real you. Those are hoping that his bush's i hate. We did you still. You're still spirit yet. You're still spirit. And we thank you for communicating. I walk to. I walk all night. You sleep you only walk at night by me. He walks by me. That's right by the loss keep coughing. Let's talk about the day walking. Remember run iran. Larry just walked. Larry your thoughts on those those last minutes of your life when you're walking from big you want the names behind and behind. I heard where you are always here. always here. You are always here. My left but visited called. That's a do you realize how important you today in la because of the date. I have to go. Yeah cool talking more to us in this car. The car going down by your car outside the reluctance. Yes did you shoot yourself keys looking for the keys right larry. Did you take your own life. Don't stop doing. I know will kinda gone. Did you have blake talk stating how can you now lonzo. Yeah weird you do you get your yourself every day. Yes do talking kindle of your car happy weapons. He talks who talks. What are you guys. This got what's his name his name. It's now or never want crazy. He gets it soon. Know you do this crazy crazy. Kim us to go back out right stale. Esl her comeback. Did you shoot yourself very greedy. Did you greedy. Yes anywhere since we're not leaving walk around you're talking go off. We're your stop has told. Goes you stop despite that you write eight major goosebumps can't see you probably couldn't see your last you can and they see. No that's messed up. Sorry i'm just telling you the truth all in video. Millions of people have seen that video. Dude talk rats down yes. A lot of people famous. Ask this guy. He told her name's retirement. What happened in new talk allows. You can do right now. Yes sir please. Leave go away. Would we wanna talk to you. Do go away until we talked to. That's right right now. Larry me down down question making noise or anything tell us talking about heist. Can't you got me now. Saying yes to this sheet now. No meal teach you. Every he's here he had me here a meal. You course has fuel to. Both of us. Were involved in the bank of america. She was it. Just you to write you to another one until you muslims tolls. Was there another person involved. Got away guys. that's right. how chills. What was the person colored hair. Whatever it happens to be me twist suspect dead. Are they here right. Now is a three spirits. This guy guy. What is this guy's name is it. Because you don't want to have any glory talk. This is interesting talk. You're walking into this movie. She knows me downstairs. Okay there's more than one person downstairs. A female would is her name that you're talking to her her hurry here that appointed to it's me spirit. Look down sit behind her downstairs okay. That's right are you trying to scare for no hurt hurt behind. Are you trying to scare her. No she's very nice person. This museum just trying to be friendly. Make your presence known to protect her. I'm the one what's her cetera. But no hurts her. What scenarios name you asked me you know hurting do can you say nisha. All sam or know hillary's girl who favorite favorite. If he's trying to hurt me michel do now to don't let us period not bad. Good good you will always protect her not bad. We help protect her. It's hard as you're you like her. That's what we have you know. Force only stand by her jess. You not follow her. Heroes here everybody this go just go to go up so much. Speaking with us really appreciate it. Okay not his your home. We're meal ours staying here. Enjoy yourself again. Thank you so much for this. Told him goodbye scientists. That's that's we're not off for weeks before we go okay. He said sciences blue on facebook may room. He was coming thirty. Years is how do you want to. Yes yeah Now yes of this before a pass go to the market. Do you have nearly messages hot. Always say where you want long. Now he do store on go pick up water from her so far that you wanna see anything else to him. He's here is around. I didn't approve. this leader. Service listened to his ashes because and he's very protective home. Larry done casey. Okay dismissed us. Well my god. I'm not even joking. That was we probably have used tan. Intelligent he's had misha's name yes. It was a man's voice in at her name. What what would that gospels. Her ex boyfriend passed away. He said it's hard to protect her. Like i literally like crime. Mike literally you said woman downstairs look down on her because she always feels the presence and then we have thirty protector. New said it's hard to because of these folks but he is protected her toned. They always seem to come back a loved one or an animal whose past or someone or something that is just stuck in one area. It was kind of difficult to explain. But i think i could explain it in this way. While focusing in concentrating on what was being said on the sp seven box. I felt like there is this tug of war. I was being pulled in many different directions. I felt like there is three additional people in there with me. Fighting for the mike. I'm the mike trying to communicate to the rest of the individuals asking those questions and then opole opole not to answer. What i found very interesting was that there's this positive presence. Those trying to make communication trying to come through towards the end of the session. And it was gus misha's ex-boyfriend. I remembered when i visited. We talked about him he had passed. He was an artist and he was known for saying simon says writing it on his facebook they would always go to the market together and it turns out that he was the one standing behind her watching over her as she worked in the museum. Possibly trying to protect her from whatever's there wanting to intimidate endure harm. Remember in the first part. There's a good bad a positive and negative. And they're always at odds and it just so happens. That is taking place in the los angeles police museum in highland park and writer. Jeff belanger said history. It's like ghosts. And it demands to remembered and that history of the los angeles police department along with los angeles history is definitely honored and put on display for all of us to and learn from and it certainly to be remembered but when it comes to haunted history given the time the place or even a specific historical object and given just enough time it can certainly manifest and it seems like a certainly manifest set the los angeles police museum it certainly has an energy of its own along with the other energies and entities that houses so my conclusion is the los angeles police museum haunted absolutely and is it. A place where haunted history comes alive. Well that's for you to find out when she by and visit. This is part two of episode. Seventy five of our investigation at the los angeles police museum. And of course we gotta say a couple of major. Thank yous a big thank you to. Of course the los angeles police museum team michel and father. Thank you so much for allowing us to come and investigate and inviting us on the anniversary of the north. Hollywood shootout of nineteen ninety-seven seven also another huge. Thank you to grave seekers. Fair normal duo. Gloria and sherri. Thank you guys so much for being awesome. Paranormal investigators also being my awesome neighbors. another huge. thank you to matt. Lytle of the abuse. Umbro's podcast be sure to be following him on instagram at matt. Lytle and follow his podcast at booz umbro's to find out when he'll post the video of our investigation at the los angeles police museum on his youtube channel for updates when to visit the los angeles police museum highland park. 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Ep. 75 Getting Hollyweird with the LAPD Police Museum | Paranormal Investigation & Interview

Hollyweird Paranormal

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Ep. 75 Getting Hollyweird with the LAPD Police Museum | Paranormal Investigation & Interview

"So i went downstairs. And i don't know why was in my locker at locker open and i'm standing with my hands on my locker and also she'll some down my back and it was like someone had just taken her finger. Elbow just gone turned around. And as i'm looking around in my mind's eye was so vivid. I saw guy with the handlebar moustache. The old lapd cop hat and he looks at me. And i swear to. God you look mason get out nestled in the historic neighborhood of northeast los angeles in highland park sits the los angeles police museum built in nineteen twenty five. This museum was originally known as the highland park police station and since nineteen eighty-three was closed down and then finally turned into the los angeles police museum in the early two thousands now. This museum is quite unique as it's filled with history unique exhibits and little surprises. But it seems that it has a couple of permanent visitors now according to the employees ease of the museum it appears as though some of the police officers that used to work. There still haven't left and they're still trying to keep the peace with whatever's on the second floor connected to one of the exhibits. So let's take a ride to highland park. Join highly weird. Paranormal as we respond to a possible co two at the los angeles police museum. Hey guys welcome to hollywood paranormal episode. Seventy five in order to begin. We need to go back and before we head into this investigation obviously without price because we all know how he likes to investigate from the comforts of home. We're going to have him. Share a little history about the lapd museum. Take it away. Brace the los angeles. Police museum was formerly known as the los angeles police historical society or la phs laps. Nineteen thousand nine. The labs was founded with the mission of creating a world class museum. That would display the rich history of the los angeles. Police department the lapd. The department has played a large role in the development of the city of los angeles and the history displayed at the museum. Not only reflects the numerous contributions from its beginning on march tenth. Eighteen sixty nine but also the many adversities experience on the road to becoming the most professional police department in the world. The museum is located in the highland park. Police station built in nineteen twenty five. The station was closed in nineteen eighty three and subsequently ravaged by vandal. Arson fires and water damage. Since then he's been salvaged and restored by the historical society to its original renaissance revival style and is a registered national historic landmark. By you know whether history there might also be huntings. It appears as the museum plays host to quite a few entities. According to the museum staff there have been a few apparitions of former police officers and criminals. That inhabit the offices and jail cells. Could these be connected to the museum or to artifacts that they carried who knows. But if you know me you know i absolutely avoid all police stations any standing water and being outside of a five mile radius with an any starbucks. I will be in the car watching estimation from afar. The time is five or five pm. I've just gotten settled and seated in one of the meeting. Rooms of the museum on my left is mia who is one of the main assistance. Across for me as laurie. Who's another assistant of the museum. I'm also joined by my friends. Who are going to participate in this investigation tonight. Matt lytle and chris calif both from the discovery channel show of goes loop and the hosts of booze. Umbro's podcast on the right of me. Is mikey and his wife sherry. They're also paranormal investigators and they have their own groups darkhorse paranormal now. What they're also very popular for is their investigation with ghost adventures at the march time museum. Not only have they lead investigations at the march time museum. But they also have led investigations at the lapd museum. You see. mikey knows the plays like the back of his hand. Because mike you used to be an officer when the museum used to be a functioning police station but my biggest question is what led mikey to pursue his paranormal investigations with his wife sherry and it kinda relates to why. A lot of us are so intrigued and actually investigate paranormal because the started with an experience you see. Mikey had an unusual experience while working at the police station which is now the museum. My daughter my daughter of colonel pristinely case and she that she got the roy masters. You think about biscuit said of you're sick. You don't wanna do that now. But she had a little radio station stuff. All the shoes grown up by encouraged her. I'd get this i. I didn't believe because being a conflict can touch it see tastes mellon doesn't exist. That's artistic nature beast seventy working. Call morning watch which is great shift. Show i'm here in my apartment. Had all day was like wins. The so about dow one one thirty in the morning. he says my chemical to sleep. So we'd come in and we have ours mr meaner holding tank tier and embedded there no prisoners so cool so we crashing their well. Our locker rooms downstairs. So i went downstairs and i don't know why was in my locker at locker open and i'm standing with my hands on my locker and all of a sudden i feel something down my back and it was like someone had just taken her finger. Elbow just gone soup. So i turn around and as i'm looking around in my mind's item so vivid. I saw guy with the handlebar moustache the old. Lapd cop hat. And he looks at me. And i sorta got you looking to get out. I did move fast enough. I came up the stairs and the desk. Sergeant sits right there. Desktop sir and. I sat next to the desk. Officer knows kind of quiet and i'm trying to figure out what is experience when i started to heels. Might hear you okay. I says why he had started ghost five minutes later. Six down with guns out looking for this so and we never found it never experienced it again But it was very vivid in his get out was just get out and i could move fast enough armed. Got the hell onto. There probably had an old locker that or bad time in my whatever was and What was the fueled room without letting dark infant. He asked me. Like i could just see him and everything else was dark. I didn't see anything when he said get out fix to the stairs. And i just i mean i. I don't remember stepping on those stairs. But discerns been excited. He picked it up and verbal. Angrily said no. He was mad. I was really. I was really focused on his mouth. Because of the mustache that it was the get out was just get out. And i see you felt very. It wasn't a house out out. Get out where you're gonna hurt you sitting on your back right. Yeah he got my attention when wanna turn around. Look in my mind's eye there is now. I had similar experience at the museum. We were asked to leave what happened. Was we're talking to a female and she stops talking to us. And the paranormal asked her was like a sleeve and a male wish that yes so we left and it kind of flashing back a little bit. Well now fast forward to a month two months later. We're doing another investigation. And we're in our mezzanine. You'll see the episode remember. Visiting with kids are and we were told. Get out. And i said no but not just no hell no on security manager. Where staying here. That was in the episode. Why came to work on that choosy. They'll solar smell falling all around. And so i called the parent. He said mike apologize. You you said something. So i apologize in every euro. I wouldn't dare playing on in case they get up on the first mexican out the door. I don't miss mike. You certainly has had quite a few experiences. Both at the beatty museum and the march time museum as well but throughout my interviewing and even the investigation you'll even notice it that the theme kinda changed. It took a turn. I've heard about this in many forums and talks and read about it in many articles about attachments about items holding energy and attachments. You see it's not just the property in the building. It's also what's inside. It certainly shows that you shouldn't mess with something that has or hold some sort of energy around it. It's a good thing. I have matt and chris here with me in this investigation since they have experiences when it comes to dealing with trigger objects and can those objects trigger. What's already in that environment even more than mikey story at the march time museum. It's more than just the building at times. It could even be an individual that can trigger. Something but doesn't wanna be bothered. Listen to a story manager to museum. People started telling these are things small. And i'm like whatever so. I cleaned up my office than i mean. I moved here with took three weeks and offs about about a little bit bigger nest and i had to move all kinds of paraphernalia collections. And all that stuff. I came to work on tuesday. And i smell a real bad foul odor. Sound like something had died. We have double walls at the museum. So some problems of indicted. We checked it. We could play anything so it was bad tuesday battle by thurs. Your eyes are watering. So i i. I thought you know christie so i call my daughter today. Would you do in the office and told her she was okay. Here's what i want you to do. I said okay so about the staff in the order was still there. The staff left. And i stood in the middle of the office and i said whatever. You're looking for still here. I would not have disrespected you or move that object without your permission and i totally apologize but if you look for what you're looking for you'll find it came back from lunch iota wiscon- i moved the trigger object. I lose something somewhere else in my daughter's dad go in there and tell it still here i see. Did you throw anything away. Were buried for okay. I moved the trigger. Object in. I found it again. And you're you're like you're that was no military oriented in fact test to this. Our cold thing is milton No we've got the national. We've got the cemetery veterans metairie across freeway so that could bring it in and then we've got that thing also One incident one incident. We had i always told my daughter going i. I told her coming here. And so i always tell. We're going to have investigation the public or in house. So overhead had gothics pearson. She she's gonna win your best investigations. I said why she was there near death. That goes just love him. I said okay. Yeah i'm just telling the story right so then we're board the airplane and i have one of the our guest is she's holding up the the speaker the spirit box and it's good going and i have my back her and i'm looking at the back of the airplane because had all seen something and also here monday. Mike mikey mikey. And they turned and she's looking at the speaker and she's looking at me. I said i'm here. Who is it. no response. I'm year visit. No response she was. I heard something i said. What did you hear. I heard bob and training. We'll bob jarvis our training division of the lapd together. He's buried across the street and she doesn't know me from adam he didn't know bob and this is nothing family with but the fact she's at bob and training and i'm like okay. I mean getting the sense especially from your daughter that she has an ability or she does and does she get that from you because it seems like you tracked it to my my wife. Good with the good ex wife on ex wife. She doesn't have that. My daughter does okay and you know it's funny because my daughter potential was dead in the street. I said we hear something. It's a or something that way. go that way. Stop where you're either go for your gun. That guy's a bad guy request tobacco. So i feel things now in the museum. I don't want to be alone. 'cause i feel i feel the goosebumps live a day. I was the last one out of museum. And i went to clock out and i felt that right here and i turned my said. No no you stay right here between these two i guess between this establishment and the other which of the two are the most active. Well when i'm here. We had an incident in the girls. Were all here. I went up to the went to the sla shootout okay. You'll see it's upstairs in a scott. All the memorably these wearing the guns of their uniforms and those kids stuff. And i don't want to say anything but i said girls quote me if i said i said you know my friends were out there for them. That's what he says. I said you shut him. My friends either skies still larry's these talk of this stuff. And we got it on tape and stuff. And i'm like okay insights from now. We both reddish edit on mikey story. He meant to say the north hollywood shootout exhibit. Now laurie. the assistant tells her tail here became I investigation and we were going through the on cather side and as we're walking through a keep going like this to my head and i think my has the question. Do you know anyone who works here. Open carry who. And i'm still busy trying to pick up. It's gonna happen with the top of my head and i'm getting kind of chill. And all of a sudden. They all turned to me and said it several ornery. And who do you know the groups here in something said more which is me. We have another one like that right at the immortal if you remember to where they the answered before will move on with. That's yuri but they've had a lot of sensations touching feelings. It not necessarily all good know that the the gentleman at there's at least one of the guys here from the from the volume and we don't know for sure who it is. But i think it's a meal and we all. That's that's probably still here. Is that from the north hollywood. Yeah i lived five minutes from there. If you're living in los angeles during nineteen ninety-seven that you know all about the north hollywood shootout and if you're living in north hollywood during that time then you will certainly heard what was going on. As the story goes there was a confrontation between two heavily. Armed and armored bank robbers by the name of larry phillips junior and a meal mata serano and members of the los angeles police department in north hollywood. It happened on february. Twenty eighth of nineteen ninety-seven two bank robbers entered the bank of america. In north hollywood and of course a shootout ensued twelve. Police officers and eight other civilians were severely injured. Numerous vehicles and other properties were damaged or destroyed by nearly two thousand rounds of ammunition fired by the robbers and police it was one of the most intense shootouts in lapd history. The aftermath led both robbers to be dead on the scene and also contributed to the motivating of arming of rank and file police officers in los angeles and nationwide with semi automatic selective fire and even automatic rifles and it turns out that the lapd museum has an exhibit dedicated to north hollywood shootout and it holds everything everything that belonged to the robbers from the close to the watches and even the gloves end munition and weapons that they carried a day with them. Not only that the also have the cars and even the robbers cars that were a part of the shootout and like i mentioned before is possible that items can carry so much energy and attachment and according to the assistance and mikey and even sherry if most likely does considering that sistance have had experiences with a specific antibodies that may be connected to the exhibit. You see a while back during an investigation. They had a psychic do reading of the museum. She instantly picked up an entity that was very towering very menacing very negative. She believed this entity was connected to the exhibit and loved intimidating. the females worked in the office of museum. Michelle in particular has had many experiences with this one entity. There's a north hollywood and one day. I brought my old roommate to go look at the exhibit and when we walked in the room all of a sudden we feel we head aches and dizzy and then we went to do fill that and we both fell at the same time something like almost brushing starting at the top of our head all the way down back to our legs at the same time and we went wool like in we rushed out of there and on and then we started feeling better after that but it was just a collective experience at the same time and there's definitely A spirit in there. And i've been told by a medium not that one of the spirits and the north hollywood shootout stands at my desk behind me all day and i always feel something kind of brushing brushing mood and lightheaded armed. This does he do it on purpose. To get your attention or scare you. Or i was told it's because on he thrives on fear so it's kind of us trying to bully me and so one day i went in and i just said my space and he knocked over a water canteen on my desk and then i never felt anything in there again and since then you clean your space. Yes good for you. Yup i mean. I'm going into that room and the size of his close very very big and i could tell like. Just the height of that mannequin. He's a big guy. So i could. I could feel a sense of intimidation so you guys carry a lot of their personal items like this is actually closed pants. Shirts jackets that they wore on that day in february of nineteen ninety-seven. Jeez and if you ever see the exhibit you'll notice that meals pretty tall and very large man based on the size of his clothes so the instantly think and believe that that could be him him but later on the investigation it kind of takes a bit of a wild turn and we soon find out that it may not be a meal after a introductions and even discussions about the museum in its paranormal association. We gather our equipment and prep for tore. Bob introduces himself. He is the chairman of the museum and enact a police officer who's ready for his retirement. And then i'm also greeted by. Who approaches me with a very interesting book is a book called. Lapd fifty three by james elroy and it goes over the most intense history of the lapd crime scenes of nineteen fifty three complemented with actual crime scene photos. She mentions a story a particular chapter in the book. That is labeled baby elroy. This story is actually connected to the first thing that you encounter when you enter the museum. It's the cells now to this chapter. It seems that a person by the name of manuel basil aka manny. the molester. h twenty. Six was a lizard like individual from lincoln heights. Lapd popped him on on street and avenue seventeen but it was the bystanders that i built him mauling poor fifteen year old girl. That girl then told lapd that many the molester tried to get her to smoke a reefer she refused. Manny beat her and tore her clothing and attempted to repair. Manny is then arrested booked and thrown into jail into one of the cells now the following day. Manny is then later found dead apparent. Suicide is even rumor that the lapd cops that book them were the ones that responsible for his death and made it look like a suicide now. Ever since then females who pass by his cell have heard what sounds like cat calling. They feel like they're being watched. They feel very uncomfortable and some have even claimed to hear heavy breathing. Bob goes into the story at the beginning of our tour. The museum a good on this hallway. And we have to seattle's these. Two sales are filming cells and she said that she gets comments from people and we'll get from all over system that there are always having issues when they go to kill presence or take a photo or something something. Mr sound and consistent. Well we didn't tell that we had somebody that had committed suicide over there to get those interesting effects but you have things charleston said we have a lot of stuff we have a. We have certain things from anything to do with their debt. We have all that stuff here. Those are not the public view so you can probably going to walk in the room. Were restored but let me take a look. Similar stuff is confidential and it's controlled by the attorney and so they don't want us to release certain photos. Of course we figured yeah. See if you can get something in there if so then we can yes. I must interject here a pardon. My french holy shit. We are going to be able to be in a room. Filled with actual evidence boxes evidence that were collected from these crime scenes. These infamous crime scenes of the charles manson lobby janka and sharon tate. Case along with the marilyn monroe case. This museum literally has everything especially ghosts. We wanna make sure that we were allowed to walk into someplace that we're not allowed so we just wanna to make sure that we don't step on anybody's speed. Yeah it is. Tell us where to go and we're not to go so we're excited to be here and it's a pleasure on very well. I'm going to interject here once more. After reviewing this audio think i may have come up with an mvp. I'm gonna play it real quickly and tell me if you hear it sounds like breathing and then a man mumbling but here it is a pleasure to pleasure on. This recording was actually next door to the cells. Could this be manny molester. I distinctly remember standing on the opposite side away. From bob chris and even mad. No one was near me. We continue with the tour throughout the first level of the museum. We go through sections of the museum. That are dedicated to certain parts of the history of lapd and los angeles you go through a section of the riots natural disasters and then all of a sudden were taken to another room of cells. Caesar the orderly cells and right across from it is a display case of everything of los angeles in the eighties including pictures of richard ramirez. And then bob drops another big surprise on us. This job here was for the orleans at one time. We just added this past actually rested him. Which ramirez you arrested richard. If you watch the x. There's a booking photo that they use pro exit took that photograph lever. Not keep it. I haven't in my office put. Put it in there for years. That my sister sheila get because i've been looking at this thing for ten years can't believe that they had so. That's the original photo that i took. That always kept with me. Oh my god and then. This is the promo photo that they use for the netflix series. Yeah now at that time. We didn't know who he was so they just had his sketch once they found out it posted this so i rented him in december of eighty four and he was over in brentwood. Just note the sunset over by where. Oj lives and he was driving down the The residential area was really old seventy four pinot and he would stop and he's like looking around at a house and go further news zigzagging so We had another car that was in the area and they got a hold of us. They asked us if we could back because they want to stop the sky so we do. We put them over. Get him out of the car and then partner handcuffs him. I run up to the car. And i cleared it. Make sure there's nobody else in there and see. That used a screwdriver to punch the ignition to get going. So it's unreported stolen so we probably caused booked him for grand theft auto and he had a one on his record so the station and then Back then you had me knows this. He had put all the numbers in there. So i put the book number. Put the date. Twelve twelve eighty four and And then fingerprinted and process them. So that sudan the judge. Lets him out what he gets. A hold of us that Monday or tuesday. This is on a weekend and he gives us this lecture about pulling them over and he said i regret not going back and talking to the guy but he said You know. I read the report and stop them because he had broken tail light and unsafe lane change reports all the time and all of a sudden. There's guns and drugs and this and that and the reason why you stopped him because he's a hispanic guy in affluent white neighborhoods and if he gets into argument with his wife he should be able to drive any or girlfriend he he can drive anywhere in the city just to blow off steam and cool off and not be bothered by the police so let them out nobel while he's waiting for his premium and then we'll figure it out later so that was in december so he killed like hit three more families that he killed in the he raped a bunch of kids and so it was august of eighty five. I believe that they find his fingerprints guys. Fingerprint off of a mirror something and then you know they they one of the database and that was the latest photos so they posted the he's got recognized. I think he was trying to get on a bus or something back east of. He's still a economies trying to steal another car. Gay took yeah. His people ganged up on him oriented. Blow it's also a story of policing and elliot. He's always been proactive in. So that's what we're to do we're gonna look at. The guy. looks suspicious. Japan due to sleep at night and check out. This guy is and then you have the other side that says. Hey you know you're overly aggressive and your violence writings now mine to my partner. Judges lecturing us bob. A police stopping minorities here. S a biased towards us. He didn't look at us but he looked at at as police. Officers as institution which to me was like mentally stressful guy. So why can't. I'm racist for stopping this guy anyway. So that's only. That was quite an amazing story. Bob was actually one of the officers behind that infamous. Photograph the mugshot of richer ramirez. So now. I know that that was the first time he was arrested. And it's kind of unsettling and disturbing to know the horrific chain of events that would follow after that picture was taken and for those who are not familiar. With richard ramirez richer ramirez was a american serial killer rapist kidnapper pedophile and burglar his highly publicized home invasions and even murder crime spree terrorized the residents of the greater los angeles area and later the residents of the san francisco bay area from june of nineteen eighty four until august nineteen eighty-five prior to his capture ramirez was dubbed the valley intruder and then later the night stalker by the news media. The tour continues to the second level of the museum. Now this is where it gets really interesting and very fascinating especially for me as a costume. Designer were taken through an area where they have all of the police uniforms from centuries pass on display especially the very very first one the very first. Lapd police uniform from the eighteen hundreds with the very first and the also have the very first policewoman uniform on display from nineteen zero one. Then we're taken through another area where we see. Actual display cases with the uniforms us from dragnet and then were taken through another area where it's all dedicated to infamous shootouts especially the s. l. a. Patty hearst shootout and this particular room is very interesting too because it also holds all of the weapons that belonged to the sla organization in awe of everything that i am absorbing and witnessing in these displays and these exhibits of the museum i walk into a very dimly lit room. At first i was in toll what the room was and then instantly. I feel this wave of anxiety. Creeping in my palms are getting a little sweaty my breathing a little heavy and my heart is really racing for some reason. Measham finally turns on all the lights in this room. And i gasp as i am instantly greeted by two very scary looking mannequins dressed up in civilian clothes carrying military grade. Weapons wearing ski masks and then michel tells me. This is our north hollywood shootout exhibit. And this is everything that was involved in that shootout everything that was worn and carried by the two robbers on february twenty eighth nineteen ninety seven and it made sense as to why i was feeling the way i did. I am then greeted by bob. And the rest of the crew. As bob goes into detail about the shootout properties. And they'll do it on friday you the schedule for the banks so the fbi. I put out a notice to all the bank said. Hey guys are active and rounded. You wanna get security or something be obeyed said what we're gonna do that are company for security instead of delivering eight hundred thousand in the morning on fridays. We'll do four hundred in the morning in four hundred afternoon so these guys pull off to the bank in north hollywood and this is their actual guard that the us the actual fomented the used own and stuff on we got a unit that looks over and says holy smokes so they go inside to rob the bench and the four hundred. Well there's some. Hey we're kind of like you. Where's the rest of the money. Because of that they were in there longer than the normal steady and then allow the officers. They brought side to get back up instead of a perimeter so when they came out and they did do some inside. The river started shooting up the place. Yeah everybody there's a film like a. I think he was really two thousand. Came out based on that shooting. It was really intense. Yeah it's an older film. The fight i think is on netflix or amazon Humor in the name of it. We actually have to be sure to hear from you so at that time. When he was on the job we had the shotgun had simple of five shot here. And we're just transitioned to everybody. Had one is the red up. We haven't thirty gigs. And this is so. I mean we're hitting them was from this elevator but with with their best can do anything. They didn't come close to reaching. That's the rest of weapons over there that We have the car in the back. I officers of vehicle show is in the back. We come geared armored car truck. That's here donated to us. Got shot in the leg out the other one When you look at the film he actually has. And it's don't type is just the round goes up halfway and the slide comes back gets hot so when you look down. Artifacts is Idea to pass our partners hazy but this room gets activity and that's what we were told. Yeah turnaround and this one that requires looking at me. I'm not gonna lie. That exhibit is definitely very very interesting. Very intense especially those two mannequins. It's like they're looking straight at you every time you walk into that exhibit now. I'm sure some of you might be thinking. Are they glorifying that robbery. No it's so much part of l. History especially the lapd history and it definitely changed the way that the lapd these types of robberies now we are then led to another very important exhibit and this one. I've definitely read about in this. One is of robert stewart. Her police officer stewart. Who was the first african american police officer to serve lapd and unfortunately on may tenth of nineteen hundred. A young female falsely accused officer stewart of rape and during his criminal prosecution. The city voted to fire him before he was even given a jury trial in two trials. The jury found officer. Stewart was innocent and the accusers allegations were demonstratively. False officer stewart was quoted. Saying if i were to meet my god in the next minute. I would swear that i have not harm that young girl and it was definitely true. Stewart never returned to the department and he was never offered his badge. He worked so hard for and as of february twenty four. Th of twenty twenty one the los angeles police commission on annonymously voted to reinstate in honorably. Retire officer stewart. The museum has his badge number documented at number forty currently for a series one badge and it was stamped on the challenge coins made in his honor and then the moment we've all been waiting for word led into one hell of a room and this room has all the case. Evidence boxes from the charles. Manson lobby janka sharon tate. Murders and the marilyn monroe investigation. No so all. This is manson stuff way. Our medical exhibits that were used to despite the murder of a wanted to ask you. So i'm a fan thrilling but this is history. How many boxes all fifty six though on just station kill so here. We have stop that Countries step and there is There are things in here that they they absolutely don't want In public view and some of it are the photos which are inherited. I looked at him. And i can see why you don't wanna see them. Obviously what was it. I mean did they are real suicide or they play verse. So that's That's why did they do bigamous. Because they're thinking that the kennedys were somehow involved. All that stuff there are things are relating to that. But so these are basically sealed. Along with the the bobby kennedy stuff. We have certain things that aren't under control of by the office. All this is controlled by the game and Got off there's stiffen their there's personal items of there's just like here marilyn monroe there's personal items diversion here. Holiday goes keep these transition back to families up with this stays. This is all right now. It works the The da's office will send over things of note worthy like this and notable cases. We'll keep them once that they did. They feel like it here. The reason why these are still locked up because some of these Members are still alive and their implicated in unsolved murders. So once even though he's passed away there's a few there's still around and they're still open cases the shortish hair. Remember that. I remember reading about that. Wow cheese so. I've been working with The da's office and i was trying to get Jackie lacey to start releasing at least partial releasing some of these things term We're working on the contract to release some of these things. Even some some items. There are a few things that the allowed to show But they actually their investigators check it out and never returned so all the items are available. They have now. We're back so hopefully once that settles with this new da We're going to see if we can get some of this stuff out there. I mean this is source material. This is somebody researching by reading a book. Now somebody who wrote a book. This is factual listen. Come marilyn monroe true. There's lot of people reading nevada gap and all the mysteries and stopped. This is the actual truth like the cats. I thank you for taking out. Because it's like it's your in here with history. Little litter got right now. So dunk tide is a phrase that we can use but it was just unbelievable to be in a room with the actual and factual evidence of all those cases especially the marilyn monroe investigation. After that amazing experience the actually had saved the best for last they take us to the lower depths. Which is the basement now. The basement is very active. And according to mikey and cherry this is where they collected some unusual. Vp's voice box sessions and even unusual light anomalies that they've captured with their cameras. Termism step two. I mean we sort of activities her and her spirit while the picture from her cup wealth very officer. Krupp's is going to be another major major character in this investigation especially with what happens after stays after this investigation will get to that very soon. It turns out that kreps whom they have his picture on display in the bottom level of this museum where they hold their meetings is an entity that likes to me communication especially with the sp seven bucks now. According to the museum offers her crops was a motor officer. He was part of the speed squad and on march. Twenty eighth of nineteen. Sixteen krupp's was leaving the station responding to a call in highland park which was then largely rural farmland and us kreps road south onto avenue twenty where various railroad lines converged a police vehicle or a police machine. Believe it or not. That's what they were called back in the nineteen. Hundreds was attempting to pass a slower moving vehicle in the same vicinity. The police machine driven by police chauffeur author boycott was returning to east side station from a radio. Call when boy cut pass on the right of a slower moving vehicle. He actually collided with crafts motorcycle. Which was traveling southbound on avenue twenty near the railroad tracks and this was some forty plus years before motorcycle helmet use came into being now as a result crept suffered major injuries including a fractured skull and hip. Along with serious lacerations to his face. He was quickly taken to receiving hospital on first and spring streets where police surgeons were feverishly to save his life kreps succumbed to his injuries and became the first motor officer to be killed in the line of duty and he also was the first. Lapd officer to die in a traffic collision involving another police vehicle. He was only twenty three years old and he was survived by his twenty nine year. Old wife and six-year-old son kenneth and according to some of the assistance and even sherry who has conducted investigations on that bottom level. They've collected his name walter and another one by the name of dave. But it's walter. Who seems to be occupying this whole entire space. We move further down into the basement down a long hallway very eerie. It's very dark. And bob informs us that this used to be a shooting range and then i remembered cherries sharing something with me that she collected a very unusual p in one of her prior investigations. She said it sounded like gunshots. Being shot in this hallway and sure enough. We get confirmation from bob asserting rights at one time it was. It does validate out so there was a range here. Yeah wow so. We were telling them earlier on one of our investigations. We were discussing whether there was a shooting range here and we got ready to tap tap. Yup i remember that we all looked at each other. Can you repeat that read attack. Four times sounds just like automatic. That's crazy here. We know that but yeah so this was in to. Bob has confirmed that this location was used as a shooting. Range back when the museum was an act of playstation. Now let me tell you about bob. And his surprises. He then takes us to another room. And this is more of the uniform archival room. This is where a lot of the period uniforms from. Lapd kept and also catalogued and taking care of but what's so unique about this room. Is it safe. And what is included in the safe. I'm i'm just going to let bob surprise you guys with what he told us while we entered that room so we have several days. We have a rifle that was made in france from seventeen eighty nine. So we've got some older ones this one. We have not only like atomic gun but all of the manson personal weapons the murder weapons. Everything that was used is that Can you repeat exactly what the mason murder the mass murder weapon sir here including his personal weapons. I tell you bob and his surprises. But here's another discussion. That was definitely brought up while we were standing there around. That safe perplexed. Is that a lot of the elements that they carry that belonged to criminals within that museum. Have a lot of negative elements that surrounded it. Those weapons were used to harm to kill so a lot that is attached to that is being manifested in that museum in some way. But there's also another element there too. They carry a lot of games. That belonged to lapd officers uniforms badges and even weapons things that were used to serve things that were used to protect and we feel that there are two forms of their in that museum one that protects and one that wants to evoke fear impossibly harm and that's what we found out later on that night while doing our investigation. There's a union a yang a good and a bad a positive and negative and they are at constant odds with one another so we begin our investigation in the basement. We decided to start our investigation right next to the shooting range in the room with uniforms and the safe. We thought let's work our way from the bottom to the top. Save the best for last in the room with me. As mikey and his wife sherry along with michel and laurie who join us later on. I'm conducting an mvp session. So i'm using my voice recorder. And i have my yard or the eddie. I used temperature. Setting to see if whatever's in the room can manipulate the temperature to communicate with us or even tap the fbi deceive can communicate or make his presence known to us in some sort of fashion or way now through my audio after recording this ep session. I didn't hear or find anything. But i remember in this recording sherry brought up a really good point member when i said before there's a positive and a negative. They really believe that a meal is a negative. And here's sherry's input on that. We had one night where it seemed like a meal and company shut everybody down. Why would you mean what they would. Somehow they were suppressing. Anybody from taylor video and maybe a little angry. Because we've got coppers spirits here. They should stand up to those guys. So but they've got some depth of control of some type of What's the warm looking for russian. Or you're not one to sixty seven point five to six so a meal or you here go to sixty seven point five. Is that you meal. Go to sixty seven point five. Let us here popping. It is the k. To over here. Can you make the k. To over here with the lights go. Generally we leave and tried. Not going there really. Yeah we just avoid had a couple ideas one one time. It didn't really work but we got a little more responsible. She should signals guys tonight. Yeah which we did curious. Do you think there's possibly know some points or time. Yeah that he might be. Suppressing whatever's balancing the negative i. There's some good days where they can actually make communication and i guess meals like no. Today's my day you to yeah maybe more negative energy than positive energy or something. Yeah sometimes it has. It has his moments when i was the omen house. There'd be times where things would literally just out of nowhere star falling off the shelves and other days where it's like okay. It feels pretty decent. You know like there'll be a little precocious but other times it would be like. Whoa what's in here. You know seven point five here. i'll get get nike. Like maybe other apps at that time stats. Don't after some a certain person left working here. It got quieter in regards to activity leaning. This was a while scene. Yeah like the more negative energy here. Yeah tom well certain. I seen like living person. Were they negative. Yeah they feed off. They offer that law enforcement yourself. A lot of negative ads. Apprehension is is a form of negativism. Because you're not sure anxiety exotic but it soon as you start saying things that are like code seven control. You don't like shots fired all insistence that stuff. That's the grease lot of energy. I can't imagine and you know you be up your writing a report. Also help call in and the other thing too. I know your personality. I know your personality and your personality so if out there. I hear request a backup. She's requesting assistance and enviro requested assistance. She's requesting help but she won't say it. So you know your fellow officers and you know what you gotta do those type of situations If i hear too young coppers getting radio call the shots fired. I will start rolling. 'cause they're young guys. Supervisor would always make sure our guys were on top of things but when they had the mood. I would always sit at roll. Call as watch. Commander or feels are not always say to the rookie. Would we do tonight. And they look at me because they know what the answer is. We get to go on patrols. Jc we do so. You put a positive part of ring on it that talk floor. I think that's dominant feature. That's like coming down because we get a lot of good response on the on first floor here with negative stuff you go up in the top floor. And it's like all negative you know between the tate-labianca thing across to those guys and then all negative affect mentioned that there's a officer down here a couple that keep a meal like they can cross over to down to the first floor but nothing down here exactly. Can't cross here yeah. He and there's the one that guards the front door right okay. So if you're a police officer and down here can you make it so red and raise the dividend. It's funny how i mean now that we've been in here awhile. It should be getting warmer. It shouldn't have gone down and then it was bouncing. Oh yeah it new like we were asking for it to do something to look at. It gets it of course a backup and you gave from. Thank you for you like that. Don't you code three. Thank you thank you for the backup indeed but there is something else that needed us as a backup. We ended up heading down the hall towards the meeting room where we were greeted by bob. Chris and matt we wanted to conduct a ghost box session. Since mikey and sherry dick claim that there is a lot of activity and it does like to communicate with people through the ghost. Box or espy. Seven or even possibly through photography sherry has shared with me a couple of photographs of some unusual light anomalies that they captured around that specific room. Now courting bob and even mikey. There is a picture of officer walter. Kreps that hangs up on that wall. They believe that he's there. Probably the one that is more of the positive entity but it turns out that kreps had a message for us. And you're never going to believe what it was and what we ended up finding out. I ended up learning a lot about craps after this investigation to which is why you heard the history before but while sitting there. I really didn't know what happened with him. How he passed wear and if he comes back and he certainly did. So here's what we found. Tell us how many people are in this room around here. You tell us your name took him. Sammy is there walter here. Yes or no illegal walter. How old are you walter. Is that your picture of there free. It's okay when you say hi. Is there anything scary down. This basement area is there anything we should be worried about. you know. what is that then was scared of scared of sorry your teeth and goes yeah knowing that probably ghosts should we go on the back. Hallway talks like what year it is. He is it before her. Twenty with mark is twenty want was killed on avenue twenty earlier during our voice box session. You heard that we collected yes and creepy but then later on as we were talking about officer walter crops we collected walt and twenty. Laurie confirmed that officer. Walter kreps was killed on avenue. Twenty half of his in. That room did not know that now. Here's where it gets really interesting a week after we conducted this investigation and this voice box session. The museum received an email from a police officer. Who shared some pictures with the museum now. According to his will he woke up one day and felt the need to go visit. Officer walter kreps grave and give it a nice good clean. He sent the before. And after of the headstone. And bob and michel were completely perplexed. An in shock that this email showed up in their inboxes. What a coincidence that a week prior we were sitting in the basement conducting this voice box session and communicated with craps. They believe that possibly judging by what happened that night he was very happy to make communication and in some way wanted to be remembered. And that's the thing about being podcast stor storyteller especially when you're in the true crime paranormal community. It's always important to share the stories of those. That are no longer hear. The stories of those who matter walter definitely mattered in. He lost his life so young. And i believe that this was his way of saying hey. Please don't forget me after that voice box session. We took a little bit of a break and then made her way to the second level. We decided to go ahead and continue the investigation now in the north hollywood shootout exhibit. I don't know if it was me or maybe just now entering that room with this bias and knowing of what could possibly be in there but my heart was raising and my palms. Were getting sweaty again. I had this feeling like something was going to happen. But i just didn't know what we eventually maker way into the exhibit. And it's me. Chris matt and michel we set up our gear and we decided you a room pod session for some of you. Who don't know what a rampant is. It's like a little black puck like device with an antenna. It emits low. Emf energy and will alert with both led lights in an audible tone. It's supposed to let one know that it's around and you can even ask whatever's around the environment to tap on the and tanna to communicate but whatever was there did not like the rim pod. It certainly later energy and it liked to communicate with us in some ways. I felt like you wanted to get angry. If wanted us to be negative. It wanted to feed off of that. I notice that some of the men in that room with us. We're getting very agitated. With whatever was there. They're angry at what a meal. And larry had done on february. Twenty eighth of nineteen ninety-seven but then we noticed that whatever was there was making its own form of communications with us. Is this guy usually in here. This new guy or is he asked the meeting which anymore. Yeah this is the actual bureau wearing. Oh yeah and head to toe except for the boots the boots look how the new knows forty five minutes into the rim pod session and we didn't collect anything is pretty silent. Media ends up. Leaving with chris and matt and i decide to stay behind. Maybe if it's just one person one female in the room me with the rim pod. Something might come forward but something ended up happening but not in the exhibit to phnom sitting By myself inside the north. Hollywood bank robbery room with a meal. And larry emil. If you're here key make this rampart. Go off thank you. It's not what happened here. We go yet so right okay. So what just happened. It's me matt. And calif and bob the chairman shah. Bob noticed that the tv in the next room just turned on by itself. And that doesn't happen so i don't know if they're warming up this and asking if you're here. We come out and touch when his vices. Who's three out there. You're getting but if elected to me women. I'm asking you here. He's probably going to do something. When you least expect it. Ask visit not wanna talk. You know we're not talking to anybody who is no. Why would i turn on and off inside the case or would that be something. Blake to signify that someone is trying to use it because worst case to use noticing. I'm just going to tell you that. I've been sitting here. I haven't touched this case at all so for you to notice that me shot. Thank you so already. Things are turning on by themselves. That usually don't turn on by themselves such as the television. That's in the exhibit across from the north hollywood shootout exhibit and then all of a sudden the sensors that are inside the little display where the two mannequins that are dressed in the clothes that the robbers war in ninety seven sudden goes on and off michel has confirmed that. This doesn't happen in order for that sensor to go off you have to be inside of that display case you have to be opening the door. There has to be constant movement within that display cates. His self calif goes over to put pressure to the door. Makes him sort of ruckus and movement around that area and he notices that with enough force you can cause that sensor to go off and we just found if so odd that none of us who were standing anywhere near that case that sensor was going off and then all of a sudden bob surprises us with something that happened in his office as we were conducting our ren pod session so i was found on up to the other four so one of the guys had some look at so i couldn't figure out what photos here's talking about some going through. All the photos are old except for one and the time this is just wiped out i could tell him you're not going so it's just that sunday points and that means just happened is going to the files. All the photos are old photos of officers except this. This is him home. Custody is that larry. is that a meal larry. I don't know but it just to me. When you mentioned that i had pulled this up and eddie realize anything until just now when when you guys were here. Talk about his spirit and said wait a minute. He got shot who's bleeding now and this is moments before he died. Now he's an incidental. And so i'm sitting here victim okay. You're in here. That's gonna be the photo. I had seen a photo and just photo pictures out. This photo was in a stack of australia. Also be finding is crazy. I had to go through a bunch of stuff and this one dropped out. Wow we eight allen all my info are there's a few others its all my god. Oh my god guys. i'm sorry to be. I don't mean to be woo but the ship it success while you serious the i just went to six asti nasty boys now up here with it so it was over here. Feel all of. This are just turns. Raw jude well. there's little it was probably Via this is oh my god. This is certainly very odd and strange chain of incidences but what was very odd is just a preface just to go back a little further before the rim pod session. We were all still in the bottom level in the basement. And i remember. Chris and matt wanted to federal and conduct a little. Vp session there. I was packing up with me shy and we were still in the meeting room. Bob was in his office. Retrieving some paperwork. And according to bob he heard what sounded like footsteps in scuffle in the second level he questioned everyone to see if we were all in the bottom level which we were but no one was anywhere near the second floor now fast forward a little more than forty to forty five minutes into our remm pied session inside the exhibit. Bob finds his folder filled with policemen photographs from the past and in this random folder. That just kinda fell out of nowhere in his office. Is this photograph of whom we believe at first to be larry phillips junior one of the robbers from the north hollywood shootout but more digging actually confirmed that it was a meal that was in that photograph. It's a very chilling photograph. We have it on our instagram. But you could even find it if you google search a meal mata serano. He's laying chest onto the ground and he's bleeding from his head from a wound. He's looking straight at the camera almost like a little smirk a little final goodbye. This photograph was taken moments before he passed very eerie. And as bob was coming up the stairs to present us with this photograph he mentions in that recording that he felt as though something was with him. Could it have been a meal letting us know that he was behind all these weird chain of coincidences activity. This time we decided to do another room. Pod session of final one. Before i decide to go downstairs to the cell with manny the molester. This time we ended up going in with mikey. Mikey had a few words to say to me. L. larry before mothers were out there trying to kill juggle working at the key. Shack blew that up. Took a shot into you. What were you thinking now. Report is at five offers. Been suicide kimber. For the first time they agree a unique no accountability at a hole in the wall. Rattle the plastic showbiz watcher. Made you guys. Were so tough to take on the lapd in a gunfight in any out here and work here what the matter with you you blush of. Sorry acids come on then. You can't make remm heating turnaround but being being officer the law. Crafty cost is it's been going on. I will interject here. But it. I think i may have captured another vp. It's for you guys to decide. But it kind of overlaps with what caleb is saying it sounds like a breathy. Let's go but here you guys can decide it's been going on. It's been going on just got pre uncomfortable. It did and it's going to say that the temperature is going between sixty six to sixty five point nine As you guys were talking. I take that in your. They're taking fun museum and like they're they're doing you feel but i'm dizzy. I feel like craft like on this this. Well they're alive the hell revolt. Yeah they're not gonna give us what we want. Didn't give the cop union like just another group of people to sixty five from me with some somebody else in here. That's like a footsteps. It's about nine hundred eight and we just heard what sounded like footsteps or something moving in the next room so they probably got intimidated indeed. Well that exhibit was certainly intense during rem pot session. With mikey chris and matt. Maybe we just needed those three men just to intimidate a meal out of that room but it was certainly intense at one point. We were definitely feeling a little dizzy. A little numb and then we heard what sounded like footsteps next door to us. No one was anywhere near any of the rooms next to the exhibit that we were in and it was certainly odd me. We intimidated demille out of that room and scared him to go into one of the offices but who knows. I eventually wanted to go downstairs and do one last. Mvp session this time in the cell with manny the molester. I wanted to see if i could capture at least one good. Mvp so i take not one but two voice recorders there to cells that are in the very beginning of the entrance of the exhibit of the museum. And i wanted to put my sony in the one. That was the first cell before mayonnaise. And then keep my iphone voice. Memo on in my other hand as i was sitting in many cell going back and forth with reviewing the audio i i thought i captured voices but i debunked them and found out. That are the voices that are carried from another level. Where matt and chris were talking with. But after that thirty minute. Vp session inside the cell. I collected nothing after that. Vp session. We begin to wrap up. But bob decided to show us one last thing. I swear bob. In his surprises he takes us to the back of the museum outside. That's where the ad the cars they have all the cop cars on display vintage cop. Cars advantage police helicopter and the armored swat trucks and at one point from what they told me. The originally had the bonnie and clyde getaway car they had it off to another museum to have on display but he ends up showing us the cars that were involved in the north hollywood shootout and there they were the two cop cars that were involved in the shootout right next to the nineteen eighty-seven chevrolet liberty but used to belong to phillips in mata serano to sitting there part just by standing next to those vehicles. You definitely got a feel of what everybody went through through those forty four minutes during that shootout as we were walking back towards the museum to collect are items we noticed. There is a light from one of the rooms within the museum that started flickering michel and bob kind of look stun. They had told us that that never happened. Could it be a meal telling us but that was his car but he is still there once more. Who knows several weeks after the investigation. We get an email in regards to the weird coincidence with The walter crave but following that email came another one for me shia requesting a to come back to investigate again except this time it was going to be on february twenty eighth twenty twenty one. She wanted us. Come back to investigate on the twenty. Four th anniversary of the north hollywood shootout the been experiencing some strange going on within the exhibit. This time it was stronger and louder. So we're gonna go back and party's gonna come back with what we find from that investigation. Could it be a meal once more trying to make his presence known tried to make communication one more time. Well you're just going to have to tune in and find out. I guess i can leave you with this one quote that's been stuck in my brain throughout this whole entire investigation and editing of this episode in its from one of my favorite paranormal historians. Sorry if i don't get this word for word but it's from jeff belanger. History is like ghosts and it demands to be remembered. Thank you so much for tuning into episode seventy five of getting holly weird with the lapd police museum. There's a couple of thank yous that our line for some pretty amazing and important people that helped make this possible first off. You wanna say thank you and a huge shadow to our friends. Dr shiloh in dr scott at not so confidential. Thank you guys so much for the hookup and your support. We miss you guys so much for those who are listening and you can't get enough of l. a. true crime and even you know forensic psychology definitely head on over to l. a. confidential. Give them a follow. Give him a like tune into their episodes. they're amazing and they're smart and they're people that brazen i- everyday tried to achieve to become so here. We are a another huge. Thank you goes over to the pete's over at lapd museum michel lori. And bob thank you guys so much for opening your doors and jail cells to us for the investigation. Thank you so much for your patience your kindness and also for inviting us once more to investigate within the museum again. So we'll be seeing you guys very very soon. Thank you so much for everything that you've done for us. We cannot forget about our other potter and friends over at booz and bros. Podcasts matt lytle and chris calif thank you guys so much for joining us during this investigation. You guys were amazing. Thank you so much once more. And if you're listening be sure to give them some support tune into their podcast booze. Ambrose tube rose dark haunting while drinking. Beer and i mean it's two of our favorite things alcohol and ghosts having spirits with the spirits. What can go wrong many things so thank you so much matt. Thank you so much. Chris hope to investigate with you guys very very soon. Also another huge. Thank you to officer. 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Balls! A Supernatural Podcast

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27: Magret

"Aubrey's in the room with me so I can't say any bad words. Okay, we'll do you can. She can't hear you okay. I can't say any. Supernatural podcast with Lizzie and missy. I'd like to tell you first off that I have my get go slushy? Flavor peach mango to someone the other day. It's so strong though that it's not even I wouldn't even say a quarter of the way through it. Take stop by the refrigerator and I'll take a teeny tiny. And, then I'm good, but but I brought it up here with me. Maybe it'll make it more interesting. Oh, it's like instant heartburn straight alcohol that order the arteries. It's actually a little watered down now that all the slush mounted in just like syrup. There's something about. Syrup and whatever they put in Malt Liquor Vlad. STRAIGHT SHOTS OF LAD! Well. I walked up to the store and there is a sign on the front of it. It said that you had to go to the beer register to get it, and I was like to really have to order it, and then someone goes and gets it, and then brings it back to me. No, it's all behind their like the little slush machines or behind the register, and that's the person that makes the drinks and gives it to you. Oh, yeah, okay. It's flavors also cool. Cool. What's what's going on here? It's I mean it's not bad. It's strong if you like that kind of thing like a more of a beer person than I am like a mixture Ankara wine cooler. I guess I don't know I'm a good flavor kind of person. If it's got good flavor, that's one of the reasons. I like prohibition style cocktails, because even though a lot of it is just straight alcohol. There's a lot of botanical there and bidders and fresh fruit delay Jin. It took me a while my first introduction to Jin I did a double shot and wasn't told that it would taste like and. Just Christmas no-one said Hey. Liz, here's a tree. Yeah, this is going to like liquid. Pine tree and I was like okay. That sounds interesting i. like myself a good Pine I, just like pine needles to the throat. Yeah so took me a really long time to warm back up to Jin, but now I like gin like a good gin and tonic I had different like like a more floral gin as opposed to a pine tree. Jin I forget where it was a it was a I actually went to a gen tasting at a restaurant. Oh, in they kind of like a summary cocktail that had like lemon in it and I forget I don't know if it was wiggle whiskey that did it. They're good stuff, but that one was good when they got to like the regular jains and it was called Pine Tree like. Well. I! Don't know if I can finish that one node is. Now that we got the alcohol out of the way. Yeah, I'm still slowly sipping on it i. mean you gotTa Finish? I mean as much as I'm like when I drink it I'm still drinking. It's no excuses. Play like a champion. Should the face. We'll get the funnel out. Just do a straight alcohol. Bong. Somewhat. We're in college. Someone did align balm which was like the worst thing ever in the whole entire world. I think that's right behind doing a slushy Bong because. You're going to get brain freeze immediately. If you drink a slushy, but like wine gonNA. Fuck you up. It was like Francia to the face. Recommend it okay, do we? Talk about what we're talking about Let's talk about. Eleven from season to flake. WHO has a decree P. Creepy vibe. They're playthings. Lay things. You don't know what they're talking about. When they talk about play things initially when I read the Title I thought it was a completely different episode. Oh. Did you think it was a teddy bear episode I. got. Set aside again. That was so funny, but then I realized that happens like leaders later. Really do like this episode. This one just creeped me out and it was also really. It was sad. It was creepy I. Feel like it was like twisty turny. Me Anyway I remember obviously. This is my only only my second time watching it and I know what happened. But I remember she were the first house, a holy crap, no way that did not happen like that girl wasn't there. She's not real thought they will twin little girls. The first time I saw them I immediately was like Ooh, shining vibes, and then later on this episode I was like this is the main episode they've they've you know? Kissed up to Stephen King, so far this. To Stephen King. Yes episode. Yeah, do you want to do episode ranks? Yes, while I was announced with this episode came out January Eighteenth, two, thousand and seven, trying to get ahead of myself again. Calm, yourself got to enjoy the list. I can't help it. excited. I, just can't hide it. I don't need to know the date I need to know the ranks. Because this is burden. Wow, okay, didn't put any kind of importance over you or me, but she you. Please rank away. The rest them so this is my time to shine. Kidding. Just kidding steering the shine. Quarter way through my drink. People O'hare. Okay, so decided dot, com, or friend Jessica ranked this episode one hundred, Ninety six. It's Kinda. Kinda toward the end. She was on a fan of this one. Yes, Kinda the back half of her her list, but she said there's a twist here. You can see coming from a mile away. I don't agree with that. I feel like that just contradicts everything draw, said no I. Did I did not see coming. Jessica, glad you did. She said, but I do like surly drunk Sam in the show's take on the haunted hotel full of dolls in creepy children. I did not appreciate the creepy dolls either. I did not share those either no, especially in the one that look at the little girl, and it was like staring down at everyone. I didn't like the one that we're like half naked or fully naked as randomly places. Why does that happen all the time I? Don't know I. Literally made a note that when they scandals I was like. Why are some naked like? We couldn't. If we didn't have time to address those those what happened to their clothes, did they go to other dolls? There's no I never. I don't know it's been a long time since I've played with all. Slash bought a doll like pretty sure they come fully closed. To those dolls go to go and have some slushies and then just have a party. They must've I mean. Can you hear me sipping on it? With. Shipping on slush lush early Yep, it's twenty ounces by the way that's the smallest one. WHO. They want you to get fucked up eight bill I saw someone had you can buy like it in like one of those? Kind of like a box of wine bag. Is like sixty four after some ridiculous amount of slushy. Oh my God. Okay, the get back so then gladstone over at thrilling dot. COM ranked it number nine lead. Oh lackey yet. This was like his top of the list. Her bottomless. The while they're really slow. What did he say why Yes, he did. He said in season nine. Metro and says writer should steal the best in that's exactly what happened in this episode that borrows from the shining the six cents and handful of classic ghost stories to create the best supernatural one off monster of the week episode haunted, hotel, some creepy girls, evil spirits, surprises and pathos. Pathos said what does that mean? Eight those that comes in the form of obviously Sam wise fabulous. Okay, Basically it's a it evokes pity our sadness. I get it now and then reveal so this. This episode makes you feel on many levels, so he doesn't make me feel on many levels all the fields so many feels so many feels okay. My supernatural urban dictionary of the week is do I guess. Do you think you guess who could be a? Dean we've done Sam Right, we. Yes, we have so. Is it calf or Bobby? No, it's. It's not cast because I. was GonNa wait till he actually showed up. I figured that's what was going to happen, but then you said who and I was like. Oh! Yeah, so you're right the second time. It's definitely bobby, okay. That's wrong, bobby. Bobby singer is a Sassy Mo from TV. Show supernatural. His known for say Egypt's in balls. He doesn't say like that sometimes, but he does muddled mutters that sometimes. Muddles it. He mutters livers like. False kinda like son of a bitch. Yeah, it's Dean sauvage yeah okay. Now we want an outline. You please give us an outline. We can launch into that. Okay? Fly Right into it. Sore if you will. Jump as it were. Uh I got nothing else. I was GONNA. Say Swan dive, but no one actually does that, because apparently nobody has jumped into a pool before. The that whole? Outlook Fan, there are so many other ways you could have jumped in there, but feet I like flailing I'm pretty sure you've swam in Your Life I. Kinda thought the feet I because of the pool cover because that plastic over the pool. Yeah I had questions about that pool cover later on that. We'll talk about that when we get to that part. Okay, so the outline Salmon Dean investigate to strange deaths at a small connecticut in run by a single mom who's young daughter plays with an. Friend ooh! I just wanted to say that this hotel was it the pre pont something like that pierpont pierpont hid. It looks creepy. but also, but also look super pretty. Get it also summer. I would probably stay. Yeah me, too, except for like the when you get into the rooms, I thought the rooms are a little over the wedding dress. Some yeah, that was. Being there, but I mean other than that looked really nice. Be Outside was gorgeous. Beautiful I. Didn't even notice the tiny super rusted play set until away later. I didn't notice it till the end either yeah, when everything started going around I'm so in the opening scene we are introduced to the pierpont in which has a very like prancing pony sign outside of it. But then the inside is actually really nice. Yeah, it's beautiful We meet a woman and a man. We find out that apparently the in is being sold in. They get one moving guy that poor moving guy. He's obviously not doing a good job. There's a lot of stuff so left. Yeah, mean it's only one of them, and he didn't look like he would be a fast mover. That's true, so then we the two girls who I immediately thought of the shining. Yes, their outfits. A matching outfits. Creepy AF sitting at the top of the stairs and I thought it was funny that. The one girl said. Bitch. Ch! And we find out that. The one girl's name is tyler. The other one is Maggie and the mom kind of plays along when Tyler says Maggie setup I in the MOM's okay, we'll tell Maggie to watch her mouth to you. Think would have caught it there. There was something off about that girl. Oh, because the mom didn't really acknowledge her. Novi after her, yes, she said something to the other girl and I thought maybe because the other girl made a bit a little bit younger. But I mean between you know ten at eight. We really splitting hairs on. Swearing Exactly, so tyler than goes to her room without Maggie and starts playing with this dollhouse. That's huge. Let Dole House is gye norm ass- so big with like the creepiest wax doll with case. who she puts in a chair and then magically disappears in the chair and ends up at the bottom of the stairs with its head twisted backwards. And then it cuts to the moving. Man With his head, unnaturally twisted backwards at the bottom of the stairs. So much blind much like I was looking at his neck and it looks like it was twisted twice by the Ben's in it like I. Mean I've never fully snapped snapped neck before in real life, but I'm pretty sure that that's. What. I feel I've never seen that narrow but appreciate that that's a little little extra. Just a little bit and I was the girl not to look I know it cuts to space where his mouth is twitching. Who? So gross super gross like he must've just done that, but I'm pretty sure like I don't know. There's a lot of questions I had on that so then we cut back to pee or is it Furia Illinois? Think, so where obviously there's missing posters of Eva. Not Look like that. I don't think like to me. That picture looked nothing like what? It looks like. I didn't think it looks like her. Either because we're seconds like who's that girl and then I, read it really. That's Asia and no one can find her. She just disappeared. She gone, but Ellen did have a case for the boys to work in Cornwall Connecticut I. Mean Why Not Obviously Sam wants to just keep working and deemed like that's a little weird, but okay, but that's that's kind of a thing that they continue to do throughout the series. One of them decides that like instead of dealing with the problem. There's GonNa keep working. The carries right But I liked how dean just fucking call Sam out on his shit. When he's like you know. I didn't know you wanted to work a case. I thought you'd be like real. Sad. Listen to some music and probably cry a little bit staring out rainy windows. When I said more angst in staring at windows'. Don't worry, do you? He'll cry later. into his pillow alone in the shower. That's what I do I did like the fact that the SAM's like are yeah, but you know we got to save people to what we do. We can't just sit here with our thumbs up our butts. Doing nothing we can save. More people deemed just like. Wow, that's way too healthy and attitude for me. I'm uncomfortable. Let's go. I can't be around this. I'm sorry you're a little too positive on why you want to keep working at case. But But then I love. How Dean get so excited when they roll up to the hotel? Yeah, because he's like ooh, old, old-school Haunted House that it was the first time I think in this entire series that they mentioned Scooby Doo. Yeah, I think so. I think this is the first time and then we also are introduced to Dean's weird attraction to Daphne. I mean. Can you really funded cartoon attractive I don't. I watch anime as those who had a crush on a couple of guys. Yes, yeah, I've never never dove into that world, so not like a Disney Prince! Never been like who Aladdin's pretty attractive. You know what now these things happen. Like Flynn Rider Yeah See. Okay Okay I take it back then I take it back. and we're introduced to a five spot which is used in who will spell work according to supernatural. Couldn't like. It's a little too white meat around here for WHO do. And then they call it the one picture of the nanny and other well, that's rude. Yeah, but that is where it came from so just because she had the necklace on. Came from but okay. I like the fact that two people were like Oh, anti cours. The type. One Kingdom and they're like fuck. No, we're brothers. Assist. Even when they said that she's still like really, are you? I looked to the. Dean can't let it go. She mean by that. I like all these like. What do you mean tight never mind? I like that Sam's just like well I mean you kind of Bush. So maybe you're compensating. Like how Sam also fight her on him. He just like Yeah I. Get that sometimes. More often than you. Believe me, remember other uses it not Abbey, so they go up to the room, and I like the fact that Sherwin is like tip hip. GonNa cheap out on me boy, are you? I like he's taken Danes bag up the steps, and he just whacking enough every step he goes up. and. Say Oh. I can carry that for now I got it. He's dragging across the floor so then we find out that mover guy isn't the first victim. No actually a first victim who was the realtor handling the sale of the hotel and Larry Williams was moving stuff to goodwill, and they were both involved somehow in the place closing so I start going through what they possibly could be. They think it could be. Who Do who do they do? That was a really bad joke. So then they find the room full of an teak dolls, creepy creepy dolls, and I love the vet that again. All Sam loves doll. At this point I was just like Santa's terrified of both vintage dolls and clowns Ma man I agree the the faces. He gets making dean. We're hilarious when he's like Oh. You know he likes to dress. THEM UP changed their. Sam Goes in there. He's like Oh. These are so nice and dangerous goes. Wow, that's a lot of dolls. I mean not super creepy at all. But then we find out there. Grandma's dolls guess grandma. Not as creepy, but still pretty creepy, still pretty creepy, and then Sam finds the gigantic dollhouse, and the dull with his head still twisted around is sitting in the house. Yeah, and we find out that grandma rose is still alive and grab rose. is quote in her room and at a she's very sick. Her Room is the ad like furthest part of the attic that anybody could be put away in. A didn't even look like there was anything in there. You leave your catatonic mother upstairs in the attic with like one window to look out. For Women had a stroke. She can't talk us. Lever up in the attic. Windows Open. She's going to be getting fresh air bright. Why does grandma have a nice sweet down the main level where everybody can watch her? I feel bad for this woman I know and then on top of it because they just say that she's sick and she's not taking any visitors voice i. Think we've found our witchdoctor 'cause they're hurdles. Dolls are used in Hoodoo. Granny won't see anybody. Automatically blame it on poor grandma rose which I mean I probably would have to at the beginning, so and then we get cut to Susan the mother talking to a guy who works for the company buying the hotel and find out that there are no plans for renovation. I guess she was hoping there would be when selling the place right They're actually just going to demolish it. tarrant down hair the place down. To build like what we're apartments. No one needs that in Cornwall Connecticut. There was nothing around that Klay. Issed exactly you needed a good BNB come on so then cut to tyler playing with her. Don T set and there's a dull sitting on a bed in a room that's kind of in suit like the guy, and then the dolls hanging himself from the ceiling, and then the man is hanging ceiling. Yeah, how I mean. How did he get up there? I don't know because he used an extension cord, but it wasn't like an extension extension cord. It was like a power strip. Dry Yeah so not hundred percent. Oh, my guess is the ghost and it wasn't a Iligan ceiling fan. Yeah, I don't understand I. also want to know where this girl keeps getting these creepy wax dolls. I mean there's kind of like are appearing in the house. Yeah, I don't understand so then the boys find out that there's been another death in the house and that they apparently had lot about luck around here. And this part cracked me up when Sam got drunk, yes. Because I like I like the. Goes Your Bossy? Short. And they. have an that in its entirety. Took detainee like looked at him. He's like serious. Are You, are you? Guys like yeah so. What are you GonNa, do about it I put it said Drunk Sam is no fun Federal Sam is definitely no thanks Sam to like a whole other level and I just I can't handle. A Lotta Dean like turned on a switch. which is like what are you doing? We're working a case. Be Professional. Professional. I was like Dean. How many times have you gone to a roadhouse and gotten shit faith and took girl home during a case right? At least your brother did it in a safe hotel room with you around. There a mini bar in the room I. Don't know I guess I know because he drank it all he. Drink it all and I like the fact that just like, and then then out of nowhere he just turns, and he's like I should've saved them. Yeah, I can't save anybody. And he starts having the whole brain down a where he eventually breaks down to Dean was like you gotTa. Do a dead told you you gotTA. You gotTA. You gotTA. Stop me if I go dark side. Yeah promise me and I won't go super fucking close in. Oh, the shippers are going crazy because there are some people who shipped Dina's. Should. Today. You didn't know I guess it depends on the fandom when you learn about shipping. Agents H it would probably like last week, and it was racking my brain on what it meant, and then I was like. Why can't we just say relationship why why to make it short? It sounds a little less weird when you're talking about brothers. Have you say your ship them? But it sounds like you're ship them off to Abu Dhabi with normal together in a box together. With some holes? To get. Oh Man I love that. The Dean was like look. I just told you that I didn't want to go to your head. And you know what Dad's an ass. She shouldn't put that on any child now. Let alone his own and. Then, he's like well. I'm not dying neither of US and I'll call on. You need to go to bed SAM. Does the brother thing which is okay promise? He promised you'll stop me. From deans as okay and then same discos, thanks, thank you and passes out I love the fact though that favor quote. I made a comment was the fact that? said. are eight time for bed. Come on SASQUATCH. Random thing about that later go. and then obviously this attire part was straight out of the Shining Wendy goes down to the bar to bar area, and the help is there and even the up lighting was the same. It was very shining, and even like their conversation was very shining like Oh, you know a lot about this place. He's like yeah down to the last nail I've been here for a while, yeah! and. That's when next morning Sarah's super hungover. It's so funny, but I guess Sam lies and dean kind of trying to play Koi by going. You don't remember anything about last night. Right like Nah. Totally not so the new side that they need to go find. Grandma arose because while he was in the Bar, he found out about the creole nanny. Nanny Marie and they should probably go find her, so then they go up to two attic and find grandma arose who turns out his catatonic because she had a stroke. And it just isn't. Poker with a stick. Yes. You can be faking. We focus do POLKA. Poker with a stick and then Susan comes in. Thank God. What if you came in while? He was poking her with a stick. Stick stick in the room. That was the only thing in the room like the whole ceiling a wheelchair. Push the one window open. She needed a bed. Did she know? I didn't see one I feel there was nothing up. There was like a mirror like a full length. Mirror I feel like the daughter was not taking care of her mom. No, she's like. Oh, she had a stir. I guess I'm not GonNa do anything. I gotTA. Take care of this hotel gonNA throw grandma on the attic. It's fine, she. How did who who's feeding grim growth? Probably the with the guy sure Sherwood Sherwin or wouldn't that guy? Yeah I guess you would so Susan tells to get the fuck out. KTLA book and cut to Tyler and Maggie playing Jacks and Susan. Basically saying we gotta go and then Tyler something creepy where she's like magazines were not allowed to leave right, and then you find out cheese, not real she goes. You're too old for imaginary friends. Mind blown honestly the first time I was like what in the hell just happened and then Susan's almost killed by a fucking by her car. After the jungle gym and everything starts going crazy, she did. She stood there for a long time and watched it though like. Once the to swing started going opposite of each other. Ainhoa a teeter totter, going up I'm not waiting for the spin anything to start going out of control before I get my asset. Yeah, the merry go round. The Mirror ground was the very last. Like what are you waiting for someone to show up like what's happening? And then the car nearly runs her over, but she saved by Sam notice though that the car started out, really slow like she revved dodged like she get a Bob. Out of the way another node to Stephen King Very Christine. Yes, so that's when they confront her, and she's like what the hell's happening and dean. Just like you want the truth or do you want to lie? And she's of course the truth. She handles the truth pretty well. Yes, US pretty good about it. Being run over and seeing every jungle gym peace move on its own. You're like, know you. Did you notice. Most of the stories that revolve around like single MOMS. They take the news pretty good. Yeah I was questioning is like when they were talking to her, and they're trying to figure out what was causing it when Sam asks about the daughter's like they never saw another daughter. So why does I mean? They found grandma rose. Why do they think that there were two daughters? Just because Tyler mentioned Maggie once. Yeah, that was weird, because on Dean was like I, thought Tyler had a sister named Maggie and that's when they're like no Maggie's imaginary. Yeah I'm surprised. Voice didn't catch onto that faster, and also with other spirits. They've been able to since cold sensations. So what made Maggie different? She wasn't really around them. Though right. I guess not, but she had to have been to know if Maggie existed from Tyler. The MOM, the MOM would've felt that year. Yeah, you're right. And then all of a sudden all the dolls broken which seemed to get fixed at the end of this episode. Did I didn't even notice 'cause they go to Tyler's room. And all the dolls are broken and thrown around and when they were like tyler is not here and that's when they found out that. Maggie Kinda showed up after her mom got sick. Right? Yeah, right after rose header stroke, and we also find out that rose, had a sister named Maggie. which it took the girl, the mom along to piece those two together because I guess you see shed that the rose never talked about her sister. But like Maggie. Maggie. Away or maybe she just didn't go by the Maggie or we didn't know. She went by Maggie to. She kept calling her Margaret it, but it's more like a calm or he was a common nickname for Margaret. They may just because I. Know Mark. B So I made that connection, but but it turns out Margaret, Maggie. Magara Maggie. Margaret drowned in the pool on the grounds. We her Magritte Magritte. Drowned, so then they run to the pool or it turns out. The girls are standing on the ledge, and there's a weird plus the plastic third me off I. Mean I don't have a pool I. Don't know how this stuff works, but don't think often. You find a clear pool cover well. My question was so obviously the whole thing we find out when. When Tyler is like, can we have a tea party and Megi goes? We can have all the parties forever. You obviously know that like okay magazine or try and kill Tyler to keep her there, so they can play forever on the grounds that part. I picked up on so when Maggie throws tyler. WHO's scared off because we find out that tyler can't swim. Throws her into the Pool Tyler goes through the pool. Cover gets wrapped up in it, but then she's kind of free of it. Yes, she gets out of it. And when Sam and Dean are finally able to break through on opposite sides to give into the pool while it's Sam that gets in Sam jumps awkwardly feet first into the pool cover. That looks almost completely untouched. Yeah Did he that has trouble getting through there. But the he had more trouble getting through than what it looked like tyler did he fall in a different part may be I. Mean I guess, but I don't know there wouldn't be as like a poll on it by that point. Because Tyler would have already broken that, and that's when we find out. The tyler is like able to kind of get to service, but baggins pushing her down trying to draw owner saying it'll all be over soon. It will hurt at all banner head head under there for a while. She I thought she was dead yet. 'cause she was holding her head under before he even broke the window to get into the broke the door which he fit perfectly through by the way. It was it was a SAM sized door. If I had to judge my door size. I'd say that to Sam size. You Wanna Sam size or deans store. SCO for taller door. Can I tell you that the WHO- entire scene! Though is like panic attack worthy? Oh my gosh I can only imagine in the pool where she can't. Find her way up. which way is up and nobody can get in. And then she's holding her head under. That's like that's like triggers right there. but then we kind of hear somebody whisper. Craig Yeah and Maggie like turns her head and disappears and Tyler, and the coughing up all the water in her lungs, so she's not dead. He talked about that per second, not doing anything they just held her. They just noted her. He needed. Get fully out of the pool. Stared at her, and no one touched her to give her CPR about the Mouth River road or over to get the water. You're just talking about not being able to save somebody. You're holding girl. You could save her not doing anything. That is the definition of not being able to save someone's. We're just staring at her, not doing those. And then fine like. What I don't know about all that I don't know, but then Margaret goes up to rose. They have a weird brain connection. which we saw coming now because obviously rose as an idiot right where basically rose gases, offering to die to be with her forever if she leaves Tyler alone, and then rose has with the medics. Call another stroke, which at this point I love Susan. She's like all gung ho about believing everything. She's like Oh was as Maggie and deemed like not saying it was not saying it wasn't. When did I write? A Dean thinks is anti. Climactic was Dean underwhelmed by the ending of this episode I think she was. That would make sense then when I wrote. My wrote that while I, think he was also kind of upset because. He made that comment to Sam. After the mom hugged him, but I'm pretty sure it's just because I don't know. He saved her daughter Yes dean's gun plenty of one that held her. He's gone plenty of smoothies for saving people's kids because he kind of made fun of it. He's like you know you save the mom. You Save the girl, not a bad day. You know I could have I could've done it, but I thought I'd let you have it. I'll give you one Sami. Make you feel better about yourself. And that's when we find out that. ooh Sam didn't forget what was talked about. No, he remembered Indian contrary to play it off and Like yeah. I was wasted, but you weren't and you promised. You promised I might have been drunk, saying feelings, but you were honest. And then it Kinda pants up to the two girls like jumping rope in the. That the, bedroom. Which is just weird? I have a three things I want to touch on real quick. Yes, everyone just leaves while the police are still there like the police in the coroner. There goes away. The MOM and the Kid Sam Medine just leave. They questioned well I. Don't think I think the only thing was that in there. Saying it was a stroke, so there's no sign of foul play. Okay, take question back then do we discuss? How rose was keeping Maggie away that rose was the one doing the Hoodoo, well, that makes sense. Sense especially since the tied back to Burri, but they never. And why like? Why was she keeping her sister away? All these years 'cause then. Maggie's like I. Thought you didn't like me like you've been keeping me away well. Probably, because rose new that Maggie wanted her to be with her, so she doesn't WanNa die, so then she the protection up, and then he knew that or maybe Maggie tried to get Susan Oh when she was little I. Think maybe none thing about it. That Maggie tried to go back for rose, but Nanny Marie was the one who started the WHO to keep rose safe, and then taught. It's rose to keep the rest of them. Say Yeah, maybe okay and then. Jump Roping in this house throw happy and everything, but what's going to happen when the house gets torn down. Is the house going to get torn down or do they just leave it and do spirits go away when a building is taken down right like? ARE THEY GONNA go into the new building or people? Who bought the house going to be like? No, there's too much too much bad juju going on over there now because the papers never got to. The company Yeah True True. All these questions. So many questions. You got some random shit. I do some of its Stephen King based. Only a little bit. Okay I think I. Just put I did It says Moore shining references. Yes all the shining references. Okay Let's. GET SIP SIP my bevy. I think spilt them myself. Oh No okay so Cornwall Connecticut for this were the in was. Also location of Dudley town, which is an abandoned settlement that is considered one of the most haunted locations in the United States. The land is currently owned by the dark entry. Forest Association in. It is strictly off limits to outsiders. What yeah exists yeah okay. I, looked online and you know that. Jeff Belanger who does suffer goes avengers. It was like a website that he had that I looked at in A. He's been there but you can like you can't trespass. You can get arrested and everything if you try to go to this place, but apparently it's. Pretty pretty haunted. Okay, but if you WANNA look up more about it, it is Dudley town. Interesting I'm going to go that later. So then of course more shining references room to three seven. There's a twins. There was the bar sure there were some carpet somewhere I don't know. There's. Doo, reference that we talked about. if you don't know it, Scooby Doo is are. We can tell you about it. Is. She loves Scooby Doo. You can't find. You can't find the original season Scooby Doo anywhere stream. That's upsetting I know it's always like what's new. Scooby Doo or skew mystery incorporated her. She's looking at me like she's mad about it. I'm mad about it. I am too I. Love Scooby Doo. Scooby is a long running cartoon series about four friends and a dog named scooby, Doo, who hunt down ghost supernatural? And then Dean says that Daphne was the sexy. Red Phoenix to calm down. Yeah, deans, credit card name, the surname is. I forget how she pronounced it. Did I write it down? She pronounced it like Mahogany is his the let the surname on his credit card is M. H. O. G. O. F. F. so stains is jack bog if she church stood up, so we're player related to masturbation Houston. Pranks sounded out real slow This is the same alias that Dean. Cell phone account is under in season, two episode fourteen board under a bad sign, so it's like Jack Hav. Bean says booming granny. And, that's the title of a Beastie Boys Song that was on the Beastie Boys Anthology. The sounds of silence album. Dean says that the cure to a hangover is a greasy, poor sandwich served up in a dirty ashtray, and that is a famous line from the nineteen eighty movie weird science. The cinematography used in the scenes. Involving the grandmother in Upper Story of the hotel is highly reminiscent of Hitchcock's psycho I didn't even catch that. Catch it either a year props to supernatural wiki for that one. Seriously Maggie says they can have tea parties forever and ever, and that is reminiscent of the twins in the shining, when they say come and play with us Danny forever and ever and ever. No, thank you. yeah I'm good with not doing. Jonathan Bruce who plays Larry. Williams also plays convention host in season, five episode, nine, the real ghostbusters or God. Fetter who played. The girl. Who Played Tyler. Thompson plays the alien in season two episode fifteen tall tales, so she. This couple episodes apart for her. Jared maybe she was an alien in this episode two. Oh twist. Twist plot swift. Jared said that he engines were freaked out by the dog room. They kept daring each other to poke on one particular Islas doll in the eye socket. Or to stand alone in the room. The price escalate hone his no. The pranks escalated when jared put a few of the dolls in Jensen's trailer, just a freak them out. Oh God I would just move one before consistently like in small places. I could see them. They'll be like just poke it. Just do it. Just poach token is fine. Don't be a baby, just do it. This is the last episode were cast I, noticed that now part of like did I that on the other episodes, or was that just continuity? That makes sense okay. He got a witness episode. That's why it's the loss time. Appear We don't need anymore. No This is the third episode where the brothers are mistaken for it well. I. Don't know if you noticed, but the deer head is back I did see the deer head is can be seen in same hotel room. It was it was prominent. There will face when Dean returns and finds Sam Drunk. He calls him SASQUATCH. SASQUATCH. Who's actually Jensen's nickname jared in real life I've so happy I. Wonder was the I wonder if that was written in there. If he writ in their their guilt to keep, it feels like an ad I hope it was Olympia. That would make it so much better. There is a goof when Sam's head is hovering over the hotel room toilet, his right hand caste is being worn on his left hand and I did these notes for watched episode and when I watched the episode I was like Whoa. Clearly, it's because he's in the Mir. You know like Jensen's. You're looking in the mirror at syndromes. Maybe it's just backwards, but when they go to the shots of Sam actually in the bathroom. It isn't the wrong hand unless they did a thing where they mirror the video which I don't know why they would do that, but if it wasn't a mirror that it is on the wrong hand, they can flip the picture Yup. That's. I also got some stiff from IMDB again. Go. So many sources all the sources. If anybody is a fan of empire diaries, the inside of the hotel looks like the inside of the Salvator Boardinghouse from Vampire diaries in or Ching, who is played? Susan Thompson actually plays the salvator brothers mom on that show. I've never seen it episodes, so I tried to watch one episode after I finished my catch up on supernatural, and because my friend Kristen was like she loves vampire diaries, but I try to watch it I. Don't know if because. I just couldn't get into like the one of the opening scenes. The one guy, the one vampire Guy Kinda like flies down from a window and I was like you gotta be kidding me like that's what's happening in the show a little extra. He didn't fall. He kinda like floated. Just fly floated down and I was like I, can't I? Don't even think I got through the whole thing. No offense ebenezer vampire diaries I was told. When you get into it, then you'll really like it. I don't. Really have time for that. He. Nobody got time for that. Maybe one day when I'm really bored, I give it a chance, but I'm just not feeling right now. I love big on on like a whole vampire thing like that I don't I'm more of an Anne Rice vampire person, and then a twilight vampire person. And I felt like these were kind of like twilight. Easy and I get nervous. 'cause like I got into Sabrina. They just announced that Sabrina is going to be ending and canceled so like what up by why even try I? Know Cannibal let me down, Hannibal. Yeah the ending of season three was not my favorite. Really. Wouldn't come off. Come on, man Yau. I was just GonNa. Get back into Sabrina to give Sabrina another chance because I watched probably I loved it I think I. watched like half of the first season that I was like well. It's not coming back much syrup. Probably Watch it now. The exterior and some interior shots are of the toll. CAL's which is one of the most famous heritage houses in Vancouver up at the pool is actually not part of that house. The pull was part of the Rio Vista House. which is a Spanish colonial mansion also in Vancouver. Yeah so that's what I have for you on that all rat l.. I focused on two things. Dose thing I don't know. Akis. So before do this. My resources are. It's a strange world. Dot Com. Oh, as it is when you said that I just thought it's a small world, so I said it's a strange world yeah yeah. Creepy dolls. God here, Wilco. The weird, the weird. Jewelry Box music. Okay Yup sorry here. Oh, that's a good night. And on that note got dictionary. Dot Com ancient symbols dot com. Lucky MOJO DOT COM good youtube. Mojo. Yup psychology today. calm and health line Michael, can you? I'm all over the place. We'll have to things, so I had to go different places so double double the sources resources double. Fund Double Montgomery. Toy All, my God synchronous and he's. Okay, so the first thing I want to talk about is the Quin kinks that lead. Is that so the Queen Kings? Is that thing that they kept seeing on the medallion on the planters? It was the. Of five point, yes, so. It is an arrangement of five objects with four of the corners of a square or rectangle, and the fifth being at the center. It is used in Alchemy and it's all mainly because it's found in the atomic structures of metals, and it is a geometric symbol of a sanctified universe and ordered world so a lot of places use the to as a culmination which in ancient times could literally be found almost anywhere, being that it symbolized in order world, one of which includes the Dome of churches. and in those cases it would be almost in the sign of a cross, because it annoys have to be an ax. You could have turned it, so it looked like a plus sign, or almost cross like because the only kicker with the Quin kinks is that it's basically four corners in any shape and with the fifth point being at the center. It really isn't used, too. Too. Much Hoodoo like supernatural to make you think it is, but there are some uses for it in who do less about protection and more about actually like solidifying a spell so to touch on Hoodoo for anyone that hasn't listened to any of the episodes, because I kind of touched on who do in a previous episode it is a form of natural magic it is of. African traditional folk magic, and it is of a culture known as route, work, or conjure brought by slaves to America, in an do the Quin kinks is an artificial crossroads of sorts, and like I, said, it's used for sealing or fixing spills in place. mainly this is used on the floors or drawn so wear, it would place. You'd place things in four corners of a room. sometimes dugout. If you're doing it outside as deposits as well as the center and what you put in those deposits depends on what spell you're doing in in Hoodoo. This is where it's known as that five spot and I guess I should have looked it up. Because now I'm curious if this has any tie to the the term five spot when you talk about money, but I did not. So, there's actually one reference of this Quinn. kinks being used in Hoodoo in a song by Frank Stokes. in one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, eight called Bedtime Blues, and in the song he actually talks about Jinxing a person with the bed, being the center of the point for the Quin kings. And the lear goes. Don't want a jealous hearted woman. Making up my bed put something in her mattress. Man, making you wish you is dead. She'll give you pains through your body. You hurting all three. Your head, so that's pretty much what I found on the Quin kinks. So the other thing I'm GonNa talk about is imaginary friends Oh, so h, imaginary friend or an imaginary companion is collectively defined by researchers as an invisible, but named individual whose presence exists over a period of time, and include its own personality and history. now reasons for children creating imaginary friends vary. They don't have a specific reason on why kids do it but the reasons could include a coping mechanism for stress to help a child overcome weaknesses. Tell a child explore ideals to help a child problem. Solve and learn to manage emotions. They could be a mentor in Times of loneliness, they could just be a playmate for the child, or they could be a narcissistic guardian, no and by narcissistic guardian it's basically would allow the child to act out, but knock it in trouble because they'd have somebody to blame. So imaginary friends generally are human, but sometimes they can be animals or fantastical creatures like a fairy or dragon. You keep I. Just keep thinking of Bing Bong kind of. I just keeping him so imaginary friends actually gave way to a term called the machination with sound almost Disney like in its creation. Yeah, so immagination, the Combat Nation of belief and imagination, which means that like to us. Your kid might just have an imaginary friend to the child. It could be a real friend, even though they acknowledged that it's not real for an example like a getting really upset at the idea of an imaginary friend getting hurt. So knowing that that friend isn't real, but also getting emotional about the fact that they could potentially get hurt so there are some kids who are susceptible to creating imaginary friends, and those would be the oldest children of a family. Only children and kids who don't watch as much TV are more likely to create imaginary friend really I. Don't know if it's because they're alone that they have to use imaginations for like. If you're the only child, you don't have a sibling as an oldest child you might have had a had a sibling for a while. So you created one right whereas middle children and youngest children have always had friend that companion person yeah. Obviously, not watching TV would cause you to work through creativity, which will create an Imaginary Front Some research studies have shown that about sixty five percent of kids up to age seven have or have had an imaginary friend, and they're only yes, so sixty five craziest part is I tried as those research trying to out like did I have an imaginary friend growing up and I honestly can't remember, and I meant to ask my mom so the next episode I'll come back with whether or not. I had an imaginary friend who I am an older sibling I'm the youngest. I did not I know for affected, not I know that I played a lot of like imaginary games, but I don't know if I had an imaginary friend I think, I won't point tried to create an imaginary friend, but I don't remember if I actually believed in them, he was you know if it's stuck or not yet? Actually. Because, you know the kids have this like maybe I should try it out. Like It's not for me. Sorry Samantha. Samantha so silver! There are some benefits to having imaginary friend. which include superior social cognition boosted creativity increased emotional understanding, better, coping strategies and more social ability. girls are more likely to have imagined friends than boys and girls are more likely to have imaginary friends that are either an animal or a good friend, whereas boys have a tendency to create imaginary friend that might be in the form of Superhero or something. Competitive and girls are more likely to create an imaginary friend who helped them grow. They kind of nurture them. They have tea parties. They Cook them dinner that. That kind of stuff, okay, recent studies have shown that seven point five percent of adults studied in their experience, having an imaginary friend into adulthood but this is actually a small sample size were not really sure how likely it is that adults have these imaginary friends and that was actually published on pubmed central, and they say that a lot of the best writers authors technically have imaginary friends in the form of their characters, because they create these characters, and they see how these characters live, and they kind of communicate the to them. They're almost real, okay. That makes sense and then the last thing. I have because I thought it would be fun would. To tell some stories now, McCain of stories about how kids describe some imaginary friend and a lot of these are read it but. so these are some found some crazy ones because it's not fun. If you have no creepy imaginary friend stories, you can have all happy go. Lucky measuring stories so I. Don't come here for that. Okay? All right well. You're going to like this. Okay here are the story is generally told from the perspective of the parent So here's Sally Murderer Oh, my daughter, you've piqued. The interest rate is the first story, so this is great so my daughter had an imaginary friend named Sally. She told me once about how sally was in jail for chopping her mother's head off. Oh okay, she still currently. Doesn't say I. Guess we need to revisit. This is about the captain. APPAREN- of one of my students told us in a meeting that she was concerned because her seven, her son, who seven years old, talked about an invisible ghost friend, who talked to him and would play with him in his room. He said he was the ghost called the captain. It was an old white guy with a beard. The kid would tell his mom that the captain told him when he grows up, his job will be to kill people in the captain would tell him who needed to be killed the cry and say he doesn't WanNa kill when he grows up at the captain tells him he doesn't have a choice in. He'll get used to killing after awhile. Here's another one When my boy was four his image, his imaginary friend would sit on the corner of his room, and when you switch the lights off, his eyes would glow red. No. They saw that with the MOM. The parents saw that. Here's a here's a good one that looks like a demon in your house, not imaginary so funny. I would hitting this up in a lot of the things. We're like how to tell if your kid is possessed by a demon, or if it's an imaginary friend. And one of the sites was a very religious site. Checklist that you have to go down. Your is either possessed or has imaginary. Friends can also comes down to like what your kids sees to base imaginary friends off of. So. Here's one yeah, that looks like Kelly when my daughter was three. Friend named Kelly who lived in her closet Kelly sat and a little rocking chair, while she slept played with her excetera, typical imaginary friend stuff anyway fast forward two years later, my wife and I are watching the new Amityville, and our daughter walks out right when the dead girl goes all black-eyed from being. You know disturbed far from being scared, she says Oh. That's what Kelly looks like. We asked Kelly. Who Goes, you know the dead girl that lived in my closet. She actually said the dead girl. Oh My. God here go I have a younger brother who had an imaginary friend. When he was younger, he was also an avid sleep walker when he was three or four, he started talking to someone he called Freia. He described Freia dark dark-skinned man with little close who loved to hunt in the wilderness then one day he told me that I used to live nearby the house a long time ago, and then some white people came and burned him alive and killed village. So this goes into. The isn't imaginary friend, or is it a ghost? Talking about going to ask like are these are these spirits, or are they actually measuring friends, but was disturbing when it also goes down to lake, because kids are like what's the word I'm looking for because kids can sense these things. up until certain age like our kids actually like imagine our friends are like. Are they actually go that? Kids can see and interact with. We just can't tell Here's one. One of my sister was about six or seven. She had imaginary friend named Emily. She told us. Emily lived in her closet, old black dress and had long hair, and she was about the same age as my sister. My sister played with emily. Constantly, my parents started noticing my sister acting weird, just sitting in the middle of a room, whispering to emily and acting a lot more distance towards the. The parents I remember a very specific day. My brother was walking by a room. My sister was sitting in the middle of the room, but she turned him in his his hissed. He told me it didn't even look like my sister. My parents ran into a room and I could hear my sister's screaming. Get Out of Asir about today. She's twenty four now. She told me that emily used to tell her to do horrible things herself. She actually used to wake up on the roof and remember how she got there on the roof. This all happened at my old house. When we moved into a different house, emily was gone. Did did not know that this girl was on the roof. Guess, not okay. This is creepy. I picture. My roof is not easily accessible, so I don't know mine was. CUME on the roof. Yeah, like I could open my window my bedroom and walk out on my roof when I was growing up. Susan's about icy. And this'll be the last one no more and what more you can look up. It's a strange role dot com slash creepy thinks kids say imaginary friends. Will dive down at rabbit hole later day, so in high school, one of my best friends had a little sister who was about five or six years old. One day we stopped by his place while waiting for him to come downstairs. His sister came up to me and said I told me to ask you. If you know when you're going to die, I laughed nervously. Nervously Morbid question right, but I knew all about icy, her imaginary friend. I haven't helped her draw. A picture of him wants so I played along and said no, of course not no one knows that hopefully I'm very old. She girls the girls sugar head sadly, and said no, I see wants me to tell you. It'll be tonight and with that. She just walked away. God. No to be honest though. I had a little kid just straight up. Walk Up to me. Want me like. Do you know when you're going to die? And I was like no, and they're like it's going to be soon and I was like what the fuck. It was creepy, and it was like a friend of ours just like Whoa. Never! Come back here again. Hose like do I need to never leave age. Oh my God. It wasn't. Aubrey. Was it I know it wasn't Aubrey. Vitamin Aubrey. I. Know How many friends I have that have like younger kids don't really say anything it. When they talked to me. It's just like you're. GonNa die and. The most matter fact way to. Hey, guess what I don't know. Got I think you're GONNA die soon. Kit By spoke why. Can't just walk up and say Dan goes somewhere else like what I'm laughing because among comfortable 'cause it's. Of It so messed up. That I don't know somebody's game than yours. Don't put that. She wouldn't say that. Man All I got for you. Hey, almost finished. Next episode is nights shifter. Yeah, I don't I don't know what happens. In that one honestly I watched the beginning of it, and it's another lovely case of mistaken identity. Your Boy Dean Oh. Why all the time with him? apparently has shown holding up a bank. In the the vault okay I know I know now i. told you about names. Except on surnames, those ones stick in my head 'cause they're hilarious. Check you this. When might be Meg Ryan? I don't know. Good old magritte penetrated down burnout that professional come on now Google keep, it S. why did last week Mary POPPINS IMPALA? Magritte mayor saved to like. What in the Hell is a Magritte? The because. Are you sure that supernatural we're talking about? Don't judge me in my show titles. The one of them's called. We're hasn't Zach. baggins been an? And it's gotten a lot of downloads and I think people think because it's about like pagans and. Emma little bit like briefly just A. Little bit every episode. My mom was telling me about episode. She's like I was just listening to your one. Episode knows which episodes she goes. Oh, that's one issue like it has. The octopus arms and all my. Thanks for listening guys. Thank, you and next time we talk about night shifts so hopefully you'll join us and as always. Thanks for listening like sheriff's download US tweeted. I don't forget to go to our website where there's a link in her by. Leave us a voicemail. Because he really went. As you guys entire episode, I think it'd be a lot of fun and we like fun. He Love Fun, so let's be fun. Okay, thanks. You've been listening to balls a supernatural podcast with Lizzie and missy. Follow on twitter and instagram at SPN, balls, pod, or e mail SPN, balls, potted g mail dot, com be sure to subscribe and follow balls on your favorite streaming service.

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Adjust the Mic Episode #49 Bee Jay Monolouges

Adjust the Mic Podcast

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Adjust the Mic Episode #49 Bee Jay Monolouges

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Owner that is B.J. you knew that is Mitchell Kelsey. Kelsang Basler to the show with that name. Is Mitchell Kelsey somebody out there listening to him, Mitch I remember Him Kelsey Man Beast? Player like I want to see you. Netflix series I'm worth that motherfucker is right now. We got the hostess with the most as always. Scott I said well. How do their everybody? Is that what you're going with now the howdy. I don't know I'm trying to up the third time. That's pretty. It's been really bad each time, but some reason I can't think of anything in my left is. Brent the meat master, some meat master hello hello. And then. Next to him is better hello. Howdy I don't know. I calling. Into my right finally. This is a big deal. You guys in Brevard, county keenum. Is Mr Bj. Supposed to have. Cheering Ho. That was it. Did it. Oh My Gosh Kind of made it happen. They're doing A. Special, a good thing special. Nobody's ever got special I'm really just that he's GonNa. Make it better. Where's Jones good? He's outside because panicking because his children are swimming water. Helicopter and That's really what's happening. Offers you. Guys just do this. My kids are in the water and undefined Pam panicking. Pretty much I. Understand I would enjoy his way of actors. No problem at all. That's what's the real story. He said he was going to buy a fifty dollar bottle barbecue sauce out there. He says he feels revolt. He wants to be paid to do two shows. What is this fifty dollar or recusal? Now? He is out there. He did tell me about white truffle butterbean sauce, white truffle arm goes from black truffle butter, some white trump about caramel truffle butter. All three of them for fifty, four, ninety, nine or something like that. It's truffle butter your your. then. There's the truffle oils and Haas's that you could get that. I was telling me he should probably geared towards. You don't want to start off with the. Sauce first and then you heat it up to the butter. We gotta do a shout. We got shot out to Catholic grants. Can, we shall kathy out and we're Kathy. I'm use any of the Kathy. Where's the MIC Cathy she? Up. Charlie, Hi thank you for the warn them. Giving David. I mean they did ask me to come on his right. To cupcake filled with liquor. It's a peanut butter whiskey shot. Kapit, yeah, just GONNA. Watch Ethan. I'm not a why BJ. Seeing you come in. This House made me so happy. Some of our biscuit, a cookie, but how you had it the cookie cutter stuff joe won't eat. Amazing. Don't do it man so weird. I Trust Catholic. You'll be by. It's. addicting. Scott slurring his words a little bit already. Talk Radio talk more. About right now. This is a good drink, right? Yeah what's. GonNa Woodford Reserve. What is it's like a Michigan Honey Lake? They call them. You'll make sure something Moscow mule, but that honey and ginger and I use It's a red. Called Red Rock it's A. It's a real spicy Ginger Ale it is. Just. It makes us perfectly with all like that Little Combo. Honestly the smoothie drink of ever had is really good. Right like if house. that a bar that'd be mush. It makes my mouth I mean you got a bar right there and that's why it's my shit here. Yeah, that's good you got. Good, do you fucking mated? Hey, ties, people. You know who also sitting at the bar right now. Jill climb. Jill, like no joke, come on. What Mike We? decided to Joe Walk in the door I felt so bad was make sure it works Hijo think she's like Uber driver. So I'm just picking up. The COPAY BJ's like I'll get an uber there and then he shows up Gel Josiah. Crazy shows an entourage and shit. Throwing rose petals in front. Walked. Oh none of that Chelsea high. You GotTa hold that up right to your mouth. Say Hi Joe. Joe! Was All. Out of Is it even on I can't even remember you press. The button is buying on there. You Go, turn it on. Now Say I. Wasn't I've known Jill since the sixth grade. Go Way back, so we're not gonNA talk for five minutes and just talk and tell us everything about you anyway. So. Now really though Bj is here and everyone that we grew up with in Titusville Port Saint John Area knows who is. He moved away. and. Now we visit with him. He left us. Try and come back and say hi. Allen blaming me. Better, here or wherever you're ever. You're up in Georgia. I'm always looking to go somewhere new. Duty, we just telling me about his Hawaii. Hawaii and I'm just gonNA live here for a year. Ro No kids married I yeah. Yeah often. Two months ago. I've met A. Very Long Time John's. Who is fucking awesome. COMIC BOOKS IN LIKE! Orlando once melt years. Cookies. We were up in Georgia and Georgia are up to. North of Tallahassee about thirty forty miles to get some land up there. A buddy of mine does him and his family and. We all go up there and hang out and fish and I love it up in Georgia. It's not hops for pretty hardcore up there, though like they're all over ninety five man on the highway patrol, not speed I have told Your Georgia. It's a problem they do not play around. We used to have to go drive to Kentucky to visit my mom and that Georgia when I'd get a ticket almost every time I'd go up or MAC's wife. She gets to take on the way back. Poopie cussing every time. Why do you not set the cruise control this? Now, this was like. Yeah, we had shitty cars. Cruise control didn't work on the Pontiac. I think the words was come back from Michigan, doing like. Two three in the morning. We're driving through there. We went straight from Michigan to hear. Our trip was was so might just get me the fuck I liked those long road trips from me and while I'm doing my fucking hate him. Yeah, when you get there. You're like of accomplished digit happy. I'm such a bad driver that he won't even let me drive it all so like he just drives a whole time. Still speed you. Admit Your Badger you can. We took one trip to. Think New Jersey or New York and she drove for about an hour. I was supposed to be sleeping. In is like no can't do it. You know, and this is their Georgia. Where he's telling me. Don't spe. He'll get a ticket Donald. spayed the cruise control. Scott fucking cupcake failures now dude W and take. Your phone out so messy. Oh, my God. Will you look at me when you eat that like? Stare at me when. You so calling is always on talking shit about how good she is a fantasy football, but I found out. Is Pretty much. You run her team for her is exposed. Show you make. Decisions and all that we found out. She's A. She's crooked. This year I did not. Am I right. Fantasy Swamp Hashtag fan PJ I found out when she was like. Is Zeki Oh McCaffrey is like the best one guy he didn't even know. I hate you for going on. I I am good at fantasy football. BJ, knows it and we help each other. GIANT FANS! You can't say any. That's gotta like your real life. Team shitty like. steelers fan and you know it was garbage last year, so fantasy football was really. My only thing to watch yeah, huge you. Put out five championships in my heirs all right bye now. All time with Ross Haden's. I think the FROSTBURG. Six steelers have six rothlisberger. To two. More floors. They beat the cardinals so with Kurt Warner, and then who else did they? Who Do they be? I think it's only one. Yeah. I. Don't want some packers. No might be the packers. Regardless, to I'm pretty sure he's got. To yeah I like Big Ben. 'cause like he doesn't take care of himself all. You tell likes. I appreciate. Lighting. fucking like he's an anti Tom Brady. Had they had. Man If there's a way that they could have a HR department. Quell all these issues. That was a man. I'm not blaming anybody. Antonio, Brown it was if they kept that team with all that talent together in some way they would be a really hurt my feelings. LEGIT team hurt my feelings. We had there would be a little bit under the dolphins, but they would be real. You know what I love most cupcake. The most that the hines ward whenever a quarterback would throw an interception hines ward. head-hunt the best linebacker in football. Fantasy. Every we have. Catches gold. I hated that air. The steelers Patriots steeler finger file of Han toward such a bad bitch. Harrison Joe Hair. What's offense? Little member like Harrison. They've had back. Willie Parker. Only Parker came out. Did he was a little beast man? He turned into Fast Willie. Department desperately Parker. Him Fantasy do memory had like thirteen touchdowns and thirteen years. You know. What made you become a steelers fan pops man Yeah I had Franco Harris Jersey when I was like years old, and that's what I watch, yeah with him, and there was always steelers bad ass. Yeah, he grew up in that era, the steel curtain and all that he got all that one. Yeah. That's you. That's football football. Yelling at the TV Hampshire was translated. They don't believe I don't play either. Not, yeah think check hooked trust. Find a lot of them. Know Packer fans. We can't tighten. GotTa be. Seventy four years older. Guys fight we this. Quite lions, old man I respect that to say that out loud. That's cool. Doesn't even know what it's like to have. Championship your Lions Fan. We won the championship the year before the Super Bowl you have Barry Sanders. Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson Allen John Start counting. Dude as a Dolphin Fan. I can't even talking to this conversation to edit me out of this whole episode. Sports was terrible. It's that bad here. Dan Marino. Dan Marino play. Okay, and it was awesome. To watch him beat Chicago and the snow like my Glorious Stefan Andrew King Fan. And so I got to get her field, you know. I got to see. Walter Payton plus. Her you know. So I love the bears, too. I really do much as Chad but. The dolphins have done absolutely nothing. Other than how good defenses with the best ric Besson Dolphins ever did was. In free agency they picked up Dante colpepper said drew brees that that decision. Day! Of Dan. Marino, it's so great! We had Jay fiedler had Chad Pennington to CA-. Throw like now. We're GONNA go. Like we. Buddy. Like God I. Hope This being Randy Moss and Chris. Carter may take hold peppers on. And then he went to Miami. And then, and then they shed all their quality of players this past year in, and it goes the really bad, but then all of a sudden they dislike. Start winning. Yeah, so then you just get this. So. Here's what happens now. We have this false hope that we have this ex patriots. They're GONNA wind guy. Flora's. We got these young books. devante. Parker played more than two games in a year in all of a sudden like we're so happy right like. We all these players college draft picks young guys that we had a team on the uprising last year. Hey, hold on a sec. We're GONNA win four games next year. Hey, Joe, what's going to happen down? If you'RE NOT GONNA be able to show, shut up Joe, blow. Your new thing on the show, you just yellow people. You did that. Earliest at work or dolphins ish last year reminds me of a major league same side. At the beginning and they're like working. Together. Myself and we'RE GONNA win. Guys just are winning and everyone's like. As, Hey, what's he, Cathy? It's like to get in there. Get you guys like right to the playoffs GONNA. Get hurt. Then there goes. That scares the shit. Magin, there's there's a lot of good quarterbacks fan. It's S. That's I. Don't know how I feel about that. He's taking care stadium from October. Do you know you're getting Lawrence next year? Yeah, Bill Belichick ain't tank. Forty seven draft picks. I honestly. Do in my always invasion invasion. Invasion. envisioned. It was one of the. cupcake taller envisioned. Yeah, they do it. Do a little bit. We do it again. No Vision. You're good. Would you invent? Brady and Belichick retiring together as Patriots. They should have I know in every year ran for that to happen and it never happened. And now Brady's in Tampa. He's going to be talking shop. Like all the bucks fans so happy, but don't you think grog down true? If you know it. They. Expected to be really good. I think Maddie. Ice Me I think Mike. Fuck. You live in Falcon. Country wasn't yeah. Girl girl is going to run shit, they're. They're going to run the the. He's going to get hurt. But they're gonNA wind disappointment like they always a couple of years or a couple of quarters. No, he's GONNA play a couple of years, and he's GonNa ball out and then. Division! Tampa Bay New Orleans or Atlanta Tampa. Breezes coming back. New Orleans Tampa man. SOUTH TAMPA! On you, watch them. Surprise me though that debate half realize of Freak, but they have run him ragged the last. They're gonNA. Keep doing, but I know. I, know He. He's the healthy as one of the most physically fit players in the Lee hands down three joke free, but. You can't run that many like you're still human being, and you still have miles, you know I guess, and how many is too many like how many year I'm not saying that he might have three or four. More of this really legitimately might, but is it, is it? Does that clip Adrian Peterson. At Dude still playing ball, nobody yeah I feel like I was like years playing attendance. With Adrian. Peterson hold on. Frank, Gore right. You. Know he's playing, he's. Sign sign with the jets. Unbelievable seventy seven years old something like it looks like He. He ends up starting for every team. He goes to yeah. You know Frank. Somebody ruin around doors for me. It was a friend. I won't say her name, but we all know her. She calls me up one day watching the game. She's like you see Frank. Gore run that touchdowns like Ashley. All I can look at. He doesn't wear jockstrap. Nothing was flopping own. Ever since You look at his joke every time. I. Can't watch it. That's why he's so humble. Got Big Dig Energy Man. She said that one time every time since I see Franklin. Players. Have to look. Never even thought about looking there. Talk Strap! That's how he got the knee injury. Twitter is going to overturn Gordon. Strap because of the. Knee injure. Jesus Christ, Oh, she listens to this show. Does too. It's funny tagger and I really hope the giants do better this year. Now there are some fucking comedy for you liked that little quarterback that they had last year. Jones that we have the. quarterback record that. Go, fucker, Roden, he's yeah. What's weird is that we're going to get a? Little. Bigger than. You got. Jason Garrett's offense coordinator our office. down. Does. That's all he does. Polaroid's on somebody man. How's he still fucking? Hey, maybe it'll work out. He's really Jerry Jones. Asahi? Blue, Jerry Jones ones. Airplane I think it's GonNa. Work out with Epstein. I think. The giants are GonNa. Take the division. Netflix hold on. The giants are GonNa? Take Division Choline. Well we only. We only have to be better than the redskins. legals eagles yeah, they might racial. Eight there. You're their garbage from I. Like their coach I like Gruden. Yeah I like him. He's not great, but he's a good coach. Overall cares about the players. Who are we talking about like? He's a decent enough. Fired GRUDEN's this is he s year old. Fire fucked that up. Edited out. A lot of editing stay here comes Joe Joe Joe. You Go. I think it kid just walked to the back porch. Sure doesn't. Joe See Andrews on drinking. Water. Ju-, he'll go patriots down. Somebody got some questions asked. You've chosen not to participate in. Love somebody sit down. Oh Yeah Oh! God. I would sit over there, but I want to be that close to his Mike. Blame. Up probably us. So we were talking earlier. My brother works at a golf course in New Jersey and it's a it's a exclusive club. They get athletes all the time, and he sends me a screen shot, and he's like Lucas Golf today, and it's Plaxico burress and Oj, Anderson both giants players, and of course I send that screen shot to you guys in the group, and then to be Bj, and of course the only comments I get back or like. Oh, did he shoot himself? You and I was thinking about I was like man that sucks for him. Because plus go bursts was such a good football player. He made this the touchdown to beat the Patriots. In the superbowl, but nobody remembers that was the Dolphin for himself in the leg. steelers to giants, too I think dolphins yeah, the Dolphin ferment! It started with steelers. When he first came into the League yet used still, he had all the talent like ten touchdowns. touchdowns like crazy. His own worst enemy. There's no other excuse, so he started thinking about what players are like. You just have A. Brain Marshall shoot himself to know he's doing good. He was bipolar. Found out. 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I pumped him a little bit devante. Parker is one of those guys to I always thought he had the talent he put like one or two games together. Young Man, look at look at the yeah, and he's Louisville Gosh I've I've seen him play before you know it's Louise. Awesome Louis Louisville to Louis Louis whole. Beauvois Mobile. Office Lewis Global Logo Cardinals Bro. You're comes Joe Freedom Hall. This is the most we've talked for. More than like. I don't think he's trusted kid. Just followed them around. Are we losing listeners? Give. Seven now I i. think a lot of people like football. I. Guess You bj your basketball team. Since all this quarantine stuff, I downloaded the NBA Two K. game. Yeah, and that's been the most. I've been in the Basketball Malik fifteen years okay. Keep up to date with it just can't talk about the Orlando. So? Try to find someone McConnell or Magic, so they'll let me talk about it. I haven't watched. Even bring it up for him in are fucking played. 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It's like a champagne room Titusville style. It's really it's all like lit room. We actually somebody that ours. We use that for a podcast event. Anniversary Party made meetings. And all these people that have been on Thomas. With their did comedy in that room. It was awesome. It was hilariously awesome as its own little personal bar like you. Let you use it as long as you. Have Your bartending the tweet. That's probably where you get. On that one. There's some shit that goes down there. Yeah I don't like going out any more bars, man. Not as much. This is the mood village lists. Go villagers nice man. Cocoa villages real nice bought they got they got a lot of good at spots down. Because village I worked at the shady club ever and cocoa village for Dude. I remember. Which, one? It was called politics. I boxed everyone's. Yeah? Yeah. was. Is that is right there? was. It was five twenty. Two story about the big pink pill, the think building to store pink building or her big eyesore, and it was the shady place. It was, weren't you? A bouncer I was like. You know if I should say some stuff you're man I'm GonNa cut this. Attack every. Turkish, so they probably don't listen Nash Jack Turkish people. Turkish family they also couple of gas stations wiggles. WIGGLES! Zone playmate I've never. I've never heard of this. Play. EAT will. Play Monte. They'd call. Said wiggles and he's over. there. Can considering. wiggles game. Play Montes. Side wiggles. Wanted to go. With STUCCO will now ask fans. It's gone, it was. Really all man, so bj. Turkish people. They owned it. Yes, they all these places and don't play me. Sudan they own plane. I remember. They used to come cash your check the boss he was. Home. Yeah. He didn't have thought we used to Jerry. Fuck you Jerry Jerry time I lived in cocoa beach and he'd go on the way home like we'd be lucky. Hijack in on the way home. He didn't play Monte. He's you know. Got You. As my turn undersigned BJ's turn you just. Got A call jared out quick survey and Jared and play as like. That spot. Now. He's got. The second. Didn't have a foam. And he would always count the money with that number thumb. That's how he will hold it and handed T. Find out we. We, I. We didn't need the liquor license for a while and he would go to seven. ABC and I was a party thrower and. Okay because you know you're not supposed to be. Doing! They're like seven hundred dollars in cash. Load up his carts in these people were call man. Where are you going? We're going. Taking him back to the club because we got like masterpiece. And we had to buy like all the Hennessy in Bavard County. They love the industry. They love the Hennessy. That's getting. Cashman Hennessy all across town. People were behind bottles for like a hundred seventy five bucks in the club. And make sense. Some people that knew me after a while would pay me one hundred. Botham. I'm making cash. Yeah, everybody's corrupt. Day had the they had car lots in Orlando. It was so much weird stuff going all over, but. I had to come there one night and. Painted floor. And then drive the boss's car. What does painted for me? Accident Code for? Over two urban dictionary. Be. Paint fugger floors breast pretty much how it? Paint blueprint floor. Ford. For some reason you'll Turkish Asian. As you don't pay. It's wall painted before we had. The paint office pulled up the carpet we had. For some reason, the bloodstains covered up a murder and you're saying it on a podcast. Murder WE'RE GONNA be famous thirty. I'll tell you what me Chad Cook doesn't agree with that at all. That's my name. Cigarette. Ashtray Miller. Man, so you painted this floor, so we painted the floor and then I had to take the the boss's car. He has Nice Cadillac to the Dunkin donuts in Cocoa Beach. And I was told to drop the keys off to lady on the counter. And I'd leaves car for some reason and. 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Leave the kids alone for a minute. Because it me, keep an eye on. Somebody's out there. Buying white truffle butter sauce, right? We're looking at trump better with you a fresh batch right now you want some. Bunch of. Okay, is cream machine that shit? The Asian buffet place where you always can get the swirl. You can get either on. It doesn't matter you're so becomes. The. Wendy's nuts they look for the Sunday suit is don't. fucking drunken rant hall because normally. Play them for. Boy! Thing we're. GotTa go. We can take a break from where he wants to. Going to do that. So we get to talk about my cousins. Mattress company that he opened up a couple of years ago. Yeah Man The mattress direct veto right I did a commercial for him. When we did our last just Mike really when we had the first episodes zoo adjourn Stan and it was towards the end of it. How'd you do it where? It was like real long, but it was good. It was heartfelt. Yeah, because it was an. 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Right off, suck my nuts and call me Jesus magic drink. They'll beat as a small family owned company the mattresses. Goddamn. They. Right I can't do it. I did. Oh. Yeah. Do. Senior. Don't fuck fucking. Worry about it or back from break. Kind of good over here. Charlie is at Scott's desk right now and I look official. I don't know how to go. where? Got You got the beer there it. Looked like. Made Fun of because I. Don't know what kind of beer it is. It's Conan Beer, but I didn't know what the way your hairs. You got the thing going to here to. Thank you. It's not I feel like you. Being honest about that, too wouldn't say if I wasn't like. A lot of that on the show, a lot of mean people calling Joe Scott I've been dealing with boys. My whole life man, yeah, man. They're angry people. It's good to have Bryant. Here's good to have you here. Just good harder people. You know truck calling still here, but what I mean, that's cool. That's why we call them. Mean Lean, mean lean instead of car that only one that's allowed to call me that well mainly nothing. You got a new name. Colleen would it. These call me a girls. So. What's up? Man? I heard something about Joe's eighteenth birthday and I wanNA talk about it. I ended up. We talk about Joe now that he's not here. Yes, we can. We yeah, we got your contract. That's the only time we can talk about them. Cole. He signed up for it. Okay so joe's eighteenth birthday boy. He wants to go to enter you. Make sure you speak into the MIC on. So TJ Greco TJ, and we all know this guy sure myself and Joe we go to that room. It's about ten o'clock at night. We get there, and even though it's the eve of Joe's birthday, he's got away, told twelve o'clock the bouncing. So Joe with the ultimate act of nobility. He volunteers the sit in my mom's astros clash. Or two hours. TJ Go in there. So we left them in their them in Astro van twelve zero to Joe comes in there, Hey. And Ever since? Yeah, okay, he hadn't. Ashraf. Two hours volunteered to sitting there. You guys go in man. Birthday was the next day at twelve midnight. Phone to play with. You. Bet He was playing with salt. Parking Lot. Sure he had something to play. Or Joe Man? That's a good friend right there. You don't get a lot of people is a good friend he's. He is the cat's meow me. He's good. Deed is something. That has try round yourself a good people men especially now with everything. That's going on man. World's a crazy crazy Paul said. It's always gonNA be crazy. I think. Yeah, this she's tries me. This is a little much like this is a problem. People talking about Godzilla coming next month. fucking aliens, and like what it each ask like a Jumanji game you know. I mean. I don't have kids so I can't imagine how the you know what you guys feel like man. What's going on? My kids are growing up until you know and so. I see it a little bit different. She's like. It's hard. Man. Come at to something being crazy. Yeah, so it's. Yeah, if you a ghost I, it's hard. Seeing that through fewer kids is man. You know because they don't know what's going on, don't they? Getting canceled, that was bad enough. You know not having their friends and then people. They love getting quarantine. Yeah, which is a thing you know remarketing Paul. High Risk Short em TV so. I went six days. My kids makes. Everybody without seeing my kids. And then all this happened with protest and the. Few people that are ruining those protests now. Had A lot of people have camera phones and they're like knowing the people that are doing the stupid. You know the the Spray Pam. Easiness burn stop. I'm glad people are showing like. Hey, these people doing this. They're not we else. There's a video out. There are the crypts. In Long, beach, in these little affected kids, skinny old kid, teenagers, or try to fuck and loot and having your. Neighborhoods and that's what we need. We need the people. To not let that Shit Happen and I saw John Jones fight off. John John Jr Smith. We beat the shit out of somebody. Hey, you know not tolerate. What it's about somebody comes in my car and bashing my windshield and that's on pop. And I'm old before I'm old man, do high blood pressure still fucking with my car, yeah! It's crazy man. It's a it's at three percent of the population. Fuck it up for everybody. Then because a lot of its peaceful protesting, it is just like law enforcement. That three to five percent of pieces of shit shouldn't be in a uniform that it for all the people that do it for the right reasons and holed themselves up. You Know Hi, this is the truth. I've got aunts and uncles that were deputy sheriff highway patrol out in Tampa yeah growing up, so they would always come out with crazy stories of what officers are doing. Just, like like you guys probably chase them. But that's not what you do. That's codes. Kind of the problem is sure is that's making everybody coming? Look the same. Yeah, yeah. I think this is going to change the world when it comes to that I think Things can change a lot man I think they need to institute a whole new trading program new policies new yes, from the ground and I saw. was a police captain I. Believe is somewhere in Texas might be like Dallas or something. And he was, he was on there, and it was at right after trump ito had the little speech. About are the call to the governor's. Tell them how weak they were. Handle your share and he was like. If you don't have anything positive with say, you know, just shut the hell up such now and he's like you know you're making it worse for us. Members and Like it was good to hear like somebody with a badge. Man everybody calm down will figure this. Start figuring this out and we'll address stuff moving forward. Yeah, everybody, just calm down. Yup It's you know some of these places I think there's plays in California that want to de-fund law enforcement like that's exactly what you don't want while you have to put more training like you take money away. You can't train these people and you can't find the right people to do the job. Not! While crazy. I feel like we should talk about sports instead. I know a little bit about sports. She. It's a bummer it. It's the person calling you wanNA talk about giants. Just kidding! Folks you know what I want to get into socks, because Scott's not here, I want to get a magic basketball man. WHO's your? Who's all time best? Who Do you? Who's your favorite magic basketball player all top tyranny? Erekat, Ledge really big cat mines along. Sean Man is definitely there long. He's getting. He's getting portable Mike looked like he had bad breath. Jerry Kawasaki Armstrong. Darren. Probably bad breath. Bad breath that's yeah, but his heart heart and Hustle era was amazing fun to watch Scott's breaking shit. Somebody's in which are talking about the Magic Scott. Wasn't it like Scott Scott Scott. Skulls most assists in one game in I. Think I got I. Don't know if I got broke. The most SISTA one game doctor's dying. I'm in. You know you want to. Three pointers. Charlie made me spend. Grade threatened three. Over here for the bar I won't even let me. Throw. In the. Dennis. Dennis Scott could hit him threes man, you remember. He got caught cousin in front of those kids at the Camp I sure do. A whole thing was. On this. All immortal weeks we're fucked up, and down Those names. Don't nothing about Bob also. A fucking man I had the magnets on the frigerator. Weather Center breath in. Front of the phone book he's. He's been listening. He messages a lot Bob Bob. We Marla? Doesn't listen bitch. She retired and. She'll man. That's been a long time. Man I'm sure she's video. She's like a local celebrity man. They live forever all you know. They have like a crazy life. Oh, yeah! I'll watch like wheel of fortune I'm like I bet patent in a van Abi out there. Wild patches down. You know. Create his daughters. Passage daughter Checker on instagram dude okay. I'm on right now. I don't think van hasn't much fun. She's all she does this. Point it letters. I Bet Dan. Follow all game show host I. Okay I can see that the holy jeeze. Though. Not As beautiful. My wife she. Brands are brand new huck alley you? Assist on that one. Yeah, he's good like that. Yeah, that was smooth. She's a she's. She's Nice, right. She hosted one day van or something Yeah Oh. Hey, you still watch that I. Do man I do really I watch? It's like hey seven o'clock WanNa. Start nothing new. I might like a primetime show or something. Yeah, I don't want to start nothing new on the fire sticks. A watch will fortune and jeopardy. Jeopardy I love Jeff Belanger watch the. Teacher! That was on there last week week before on jeopardy. Tournament. Of Our county real. Yeah, we have like mutual friends like. Hope on everything it's Lauren daubs. I would love that Oh. Yeah I would pay to see her on jeopardy. Yeah, they should have a jeopardy drinking game. Like everybody, get drunk and then play jeopardy. I like a youtube. Show was hard enough as it is I am we feel stupid dumb? Baltimore. Amanda Baltimore Amanda Hug and kiss. Scott to somebody? Probably know. Somebody dated her. I think you can get your right there i. don't know how to many fucking buttons. Just start pressing him. I'm GonNa pour this beer on this laptop and see what happens. ooh, it's how restart. Restart Button. Hard restart too expensive already through as Mr Rogers. Which? He saw trouble for that. Figure it out like get in trouble for a lot of things. That's rough, my true story. So what do you got left man before you head back home? Anything plants solid plants. Check with my own mind, people back there. Okay, we're GONNA do somethin' entourage he'll. What are we going here? He's claiming everything through. You know entourage. What are we got? What's on the schedule? Where's the planner? Do. You have a composition book. To his little abode and were probably. Spend some leg night walking on the Beach Madria. Talking about axiom, that's good. That's what you could be that good fresh saltwater air man. My is feeling amazing yeah. How's that pedicure oh? A pedicure calling when she hit the arch, my foot with that hot stove, yes. You. Know I'm so late to the game on that. I felt like six months ago, I got my first one. I use my daughter as an excuse. Catch up like I was like Eva Yana, maybe because you know I I'm on my feet a lot. Yeah I had a buddy. Buddy that does look marathons and he's like I. Get your feet cocaine a pedicure. Here. Man Oh man. Yes any. Any dude out there. That hasn't got a pedicure. You're all. Really, get your fucking feet trowel. Or remain wrong now. Yeah, one day with me a branch. Check it out all right Brian. I don't like people touch mottos, either like I have a problem with it and it just it works. When they get that calf rub. In the whole that chair when it hits you like. That you know that. Certain spot where you feel like. What's this whole mind? Their. Forty S FINISH! This let it ride man. What's the? Case before. A clear CO sometimes. Clear coat on toast because I don't want to do that. I want to put the it's all about. I thought your daughter Paints her nails she does. got a Medicare. No, she paints tunnels. Easter bunny on it some Easter eggs. We're eastern. Album! WON'T SCARE OKAY In crushes you know. Mark Wahlberg. Get them. You know his birthday was. The same day as making Biko's because her birthday every year, she'd be like it is my birthday and it has also. Lets. You said on this. Lose your man crush. Memo? No okay. Even though that I think maybe a memo. 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Lately probably Joel McHale Jemma Kailua. Winning funny, he's that's I am with Joe? Judging Me Megan judged. Trees. You're getting judge. Look now it's not. Thinking that, but then they start flying at you. Star judgy Georgian. I got stories to tell that's the case. Oh! ooh! I'M GONNA. Leave my inbox open a Rosser Chad store. You went over to jazz last night. Chad cooks garages the official garage that might podcast by the way that place yet. It's a blast every time you guys go there. You come back with the craziest heap, he. How much eighties music did he play from movies? He didn't play a lot of the Alexa got taken over by this guy that nobody else knew Chad. was named Nick I. Think would beard. Yes in fact, Tony Chad this Chad's best friend. That's. Tony. Broom called suspicious and that was enough for me. Yeah, so I was like told his Tony Tony he's got his wrong. Not. Is it this guy in the background? That's him, yeah. Look at Tony's face when he's talking, judge showed me. Methodist got. So good look at that's how much Tony likes him. You can tell by the pitcher. We were we were in the car Chad's. Just getting off work on Writing Cape Canaveral pick you up. And we're driving. We're talking Oh and buddy volleyball might be. and. He shows me that picture. He's like he might try and corn and talk to you. He locked and he got to the point that he was talking to Alexa and then he would come over and like rap. Whatever nineties hip all. You just had to try. Not Make contacts difficult and hope somebody was closed. Conversation with just say about a man that's. Got? You might follow you. I could see him. He was the type to might talk through the bathroom door. Man Like steady stream there. Bro, well listen. I, wish the weather was better for you here, man. Yeah, that's that's been my only complaint. You guys are hitting the beach man. I think it's going to. Umbro's Shit, so whatever yeah man waters right there you'll be are. Staying in Canaveral. Yeah Muscle Shadow. The AIRBNB Hook it up. Yeah, got some Nice places for you man. Lets you still got family around? Not really now? Not Really I mean nobod- family now nothing No. Let's MOMS in Georgia. MOM's up in Georgia. Now. She's up there. That's awesome. You make your way down here. Still there's always home. Even like I was. I was out on the island that year. Talking to people man come get homesick. Miss this for in Hawaii Ru, but still why is? It was beautiful. It was the most beautiful place I've ever been. People were gorgeous. You know just. They called everybody, Aunty and uncle yeah. The door for God. Thank you, uncle! No Shit! Everybody was family. Want everybody to be. It was a great place, not like the some of the greatest food in the world. Yeah the flu they smoke the hell out of some need. Brent. Your that they. Go to Hawaii. Altitude, don't yeah. Whole Hog, pull out of the ground, and you can hear the skin crackle. Inside just juice Vegetarian Vegan it. Turn. It's raw one thing I want to try. They'll have a wrapped up in leaves and just sitting on a better rocks under the ground. Leave it all day is crazy. What you say, Macaroni Salad. Macaroni. schoolyards with every meal there. Bam you know, there's like Oh. Yes, twenty some. Flavors has played with spam. My buddy was stationed out there, he he he's addicted to serve at McDonalds. McDonalds breakfast option what? In Hawaii spam is on the menu. Actually, have a client out there. I'm trying to get him to me. Come on site for a week. Yeah, so let me go out there. Hoping absolutely. Yeah, I like how he said that and then looked at colleen. Kind of haven't talked to you about yet I'm going to Hawaii for. Six months. Kids by. Conversation, I guess what I gotTa do an onsite. Oh, you're! Being San Diego this last week. That's right rally. Calling, shut. Mean Lean Muscle told you. Those kids for weeks. Oh Yeah. I can imagine it ain't easy man. Oh, speak a Tony Broom tax on. Tech from. 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We can hook me up with a quote that I can use. He'll be like God. Love listening to. Hit it. There's a legit book. I'm taking bitch home yesterday, and this is the ransom. Get Book. Like. Tom, hanks enough to watch. You look just like Scott when he reads the on. Ever say that. Sorry, there are many helpful people in this world are. More you grow into a helpful person yourself. The happier you'll find this world of ours is. Man Some Bullshit. I agree I don't like. That was too deep. I don't know man like He. Happened to him like making crayons, and and being curious about things really helps us to learn. Get! Doesn't that's? Wrong though I. Know But. How is that a quote? You know what I'm saying. He said it yeah. I see a lot of stuff to yeah. Sorry, it didn't make a fucking book about rent. Says a lot of stuff ain't they make book? Have that clout. Read it cover to cover. We'll find something in there so I'm proud of every good thing that you want to do for others. 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And then quit he at the height of his career. They want to offer more. Million Dollars Review the stress and they're like well. We want to change companies and now fuck yet. I'm going to Africa. Africa. That's our exhaustion excuse. winslow him I. have exhaustion go to Rehab. Chapelle went to Africa and then bought a farm in Ohio. Yeah that's really cool. That's where he. Lives in normal so fucking great yeah God. I think he's a goat man. As far as I'm concerned with, stand up in our generation, right? Like he's like it's it's. He started out making like horrible movies will ignore McDonald. Just less stone to have. Trouble or something his first movie was Robin Hood Men in tights. Fuck auty here me. It was the token black guy. Yeah, yeah, they say. He started standing up when eighteen. DC tells the truth. You know at least his how he sees the truth. Yeah, he's changed the world with a lot of his a comedy man fucking great. We haven't had really anybody. Come up like that, have we? 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God I call him the other day watching like a training video for like the railroad on like Osha approved safety measures. Shit yeah, he went deep legit he does. He watch his safety for trains and things like that and Y. Nephew says Choo Choo Up. Literally all he wants to do is watch train videos Haley. We have those wooden train tracks, and we have them all over like our big like living room area. It just train tracks everywhere. She plastic ones. We got the Disney monorail and he just Salman, but he makes train noises. All the time which is comes in handy at Disney. Somebody's not moving in front of you and he's got kids screaming behind. You're going. Joe. Serious. Now, he just doesn't anyways. He's not doing. It's Tony. Just doesn't. We're in public shopping and he's like well. That's. Yeah that's borrow him to store keep. Especially now, they got the I'll markers up and down? People look when they go the wrong way. Yeah, it's ridiculous. They still have them up right now. 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Yeah, okay, well, you, you live. On Ansi skimp on it. I got hit up all these two, so gonNA live in mainly. Oh, I gotTA. There's some things that are worth paying for. that. Atra transfer deal with whatever's dollar. Yeah I want it, but you feel like you're getting over. If you say that when it comes out on that by you know, and then you see the I'll check for the women's cakes. Dell's Food Food Donuts Cau- just talking about this. We're going to go down. The chrome cake ones. We're all hunger. Can get cakes in there, so you know what am shout out to Kathy you? There's a reason why like we're talking about your baking so much. You have to do something with it. Yeah, she could take orders. Start taking orders and start doing online. It's. Usually with friends were like. Oh, no, no I could not know her in she and be like I need to find out who made this. That's that's how good her baking. They looked beautiful to like. Crazy and cookies and cream one. is on out there. This straight talent man. It's a lot of talent decently up I. Don't have the patience man because I. Follow Directions too much, and you got to go outside the box. When you do shit like that and create your own stuff can't do it. Kills just like smoking meat, or make a brisket and all that you got to add your own. A You do. I make I grill steaks out. I perfect my stakes. T. Bones strips my. Yeah I love grilling state. That's about as far as you know ribs. I'll do crock pot ribs, and then flash 'em on the grill and stuff like that. I've heard of like brisket and stuff like I haven't gotten that far into it but I don't have a smoker nothing. All my friends got me I'll chats houseman chat. Listen the best call and I've had Collard Greens from. We talked about those green listen Chad Cooks, Collard, Greens are the best call pork belly collard. Greens Change Change Your Life. It's it's him. That's a direct quote from Dr Cook. It's IT's true statement. I can hear when he when he gave them to me I. I was like I put a little hot sauce on. It was like. I to look at me in the eyes. Tell the trash. Dog Unbelievable Man I was like. You hit something there so i. don't really mess with Greens. I Love I I've only had them once. Yeah, about ten fifteen years ago, power now I fell in love with a soul food and Shipman being from up north the cream of wheat guy, and then when I got the first the first time ever I had talking. Catfish and grits I was like Oh. Look. This is a real thing. So now it's a problem. Like heavy down there. Land of Cook Yeah, man. Yeah I love it man. We try to get at once a week. We got a little food truck. Go to oxtail Shit oxtail yellow rising. addicting. Traffic at home now oxtail. Yeah I. Don't think it's that hard man. It's like it's like stew meat, you know. Eileen. Cook. Cook now. You can't just say you, don't you? Don't Cook for real. Now. I mean if runs not there. I have to cook. But I have to cook. What? What do you Cook Kraft Mac and cheese? How? You'RE GONNA. Go here and Brent. I enjoy cooking, so listen I. Talk I can make Bagel by I can do all. I can. I can make the best Rahman ever but. When it comes in. Roman you can't. Where I work again. Beth bathroom ever. Brent likes to cook I just I always not liked it and. I mean. He likes it. He can do it I. I wish I could went into that profession like. fulltime. Yeah, you'll be something. When you retire or something. You know yeah I have a friend. Who did that, but. I don't know as love cooking for people love sharing. Food Yeah Man. Well, we love that you love cooking for people because that shit is. legit. Yeah I got to try some different stuff guys soon, though yeah, the ribs were good man. Those ribs are amazing. I haven't had the Boston but yet, but I'm going to get on that in that book and getting that. I like that better. Yeah, we'll find out. A Fan. Young talking to you. Say! How far were? Doing wrapping this up calling I don't know what this fucking weather report. It does I guess he'll clouds. No, we're done. This is going to rain here. Come Scott. Let's. Go a whole lot less, it will just. We're talking about the magic. Man? I'm telling you right now. Pat Garrity is the best magic basketball player ever. I'll know. What are we talking about the magic the whole time? That was a good talk we had. We had a lot of talk about the magic. Ever need talk about them again. Yeah, we went really deep into the magic. Topic! It was good to talk about man. Is GonNa talk about in the NBA coming back? That's it. Scott, we're wrapping up. Yeah, NBA's coming back. We talked a lot of magic basketball and let's wrap it up bj. Much for coming Bj, thank you, we love you. Thank you for making the Magic Yeah brand. Thank you for bringing three. STORES WE'VE BEEN TALKING THIRTY MINUTES I'm sure we we did a further. Out Scott Scott. missed. Yeah, there's quite Mr Rogers quotes everything's. Instance Carwin Yeah, man, well listen. Thank you for coming BJ. Vulnerable, I love. The shit out of the episode of it was awesome yeah really. Cook it income in bed. All Brent thanks for coming buddy. Scott thanks. For, thanks for showing up. Scott all right. Joe Thanks for coming over and talk with four minutes. That's it, so we're going back there swimming. Yeah, Amy Jail. Thank you. Hey, next episode episode. Episode Fifties. Next. What's up like what the fuck did you throw, Mr Rogers. Assume I threw that. All you on a video chat it over there because I almost spilt my beer on it and I didn't want to damage it because I love that fucking book. Right calling I'd safety protocol. Cut that out. 'cause. That's a lie. I gotta go. Live for me. I. For someone who doesn't Cook. Mainly I, don't I. Don't need to cook. Oh? Joe Knees gotTa Man. What you mean. Further. cocky calling and okay look. I would have to TV dinners if I didn't have no. I'm lazy. Yoda Brennan at all she got a little. She can't cook. We're talking about going to Hawaii for about a week. She dies raised. I. I was trying to say she can't Cook Funny. Things like I work trips. She can come with me like anybody would watch for that law. Be If somebody yeah. Yeah, that's true. Call. We've got a year. Throw it out there for a fuck. So many levels everything if you can't cook. That's. My three light my three year old nephew. He get so mad at me. But what's HE GONNA do. You can't go. You'RE GONNA do come on soon. Get Mad if you want to? was like that Abe can make macaroni and cheese. She make whatever she want. But I have to do it. She's like you make macaroni on busy baby to make on the Hong. He's just asked me to make. Just too nice. Now. She's lazy kids are lazy in. Kids Kizer Lazy. I was lazy. Walking we got up. We did stuff play manhunt well. Yeah, but I'm talking about cooking. I just won't eat. Manhattan, now is a Helo neighbor I. think is what it's called. Yeah, it's all based on roadblocks. Is Game Man, but he runs I gotta go now. That's what they do. Talk about robots. That's what it is bro. No more we talk about the magic for forty five minutes man. Well listen. It was great talking about the magic with you guys. A good time hope they make it into the little terminating, so they can disappoint their fans. Man! For sure. On a level, you guys. Love you back. To Job, screaming from John, who? Lands. Two jobs. Toppled in love. Who? Killer. Dude that was awesome.

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