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G.I. Jeeves

5 for 5 Podcast

27:01 min | 2 years ago

G.I. Jeeves

"Hey everybody welcome once again to the five podcast. My name is Bon Tito and it's always I am joined by Mike Identity. Mike what's up everybody superstore. Could we'll be here tonight awesome. Everybody knows the premise of the show is that we compete for pointless points. The points in the end are meaningless but the journey the journey through history. That's absolutely priceless book. The way we compete is by comparing articles from from a five year period that we've pre-selected. That's right hundred percent correct. What do you think should I get into my article absolutely? I hope you've got something exciting because I think from last time you brought something. It was a big one so I'm hoping to follow up awesomeness to right after this okay so getting into the article revved up ready to go. This article is from September Twenty First Nineteen eighteen awhile oh it's from the yellowstone news which is a little newspaper out of Mon- DAK Montana and the story comes from Chicago ready for it. It's has to do with a potential ruling from the U._S.. Employment Service and for those w they don't know the U._S. Employment Services would eventually turned into the Department of Labor came so the predecessor the Department of Labor correct the title reads dainty maids may oust solemn and stately Butler Trim Maids with whitecaps immaculate gowns smiles and the alluring court t seen in old English comedies will remind denizens of the north shore villages that the rigors of war may be softened for they will replace the grim visage sage Butler the sober Houseman may have even the chef the Gardner and the chauffeur if the Federal Employment Bureau hands down a ruling such as expected by Harvey Colson Director of the U._S. employment service this at Waukegan and by virtue of his office industrial monarch of the Gilded Chicago suburban residents district. Mr Colson holds at all men engage in household work are in non essential <unk> occupations and should to develop their muscles flaccid atrophied by lack of use in occupations that will add to the national war efficiency. He thinks women should buttle Schoeff Cook Garden and do all other duties that custom has decreed shelby performed by men in the homes of the social elect to this end he has asked a ruling of the state chief of Federal Employment Service and hopes to receive a decree favorable to his contention. The North shore is viewing the situation it realizes is is that it too must make sacrifices and the younger set at least a male portion of it has a hard time in concealing. It's delight at the perspective change. Most of this younger set is in the army or navy anyway and when members come home they would rather be greeted by dumpling smiles on a face read in R._E._O.. Of wavy curls then by the formal genuflections of a Butler who would not smile for fear of eternally disqualifying himself for his profession. That's heavy eighty. Yeah it's really wordy and the little bit sort of awkward to read but basically what it saying is that party Colson sort of has purvey over this metro area and it just so happens that he's in charge charge the industrial portion that affects the upper middle class portion of the neighborhoods surrounding there okay so there's money involved already in this thing these are like well to do people and this guy's ruling that he's suggesting would affect them directly okay mic incense and the general premise of the ruling is he wants women to do work traditionally reserved within the service industry for men and then he wants men whose muscles he says are atrophied and men who he accused of being weak. He wants them do things that will help the war effort caught it. Yeah I'll read that loud and clear. It's Kinda interesting because it sort of reminds me of like the Rosie the riveter type of thing yeah but I feel like that's just half of it right well. I really feel like you can take this deep. You can go super deep. It's definitely a sign of the Times I mean you. You can definitely tell that this is a mood directly reflective of what the nation is going through right now and the AH in that time I mean there's a direct <hes> desire to want to have men benefiting the war effort as much as possible right. I mean that's the obvious so the idea is let's get them all out of these quote unquote non-essential industries and and and bringing the ladies yeah I thought it was interesting like the way that they sort of pre categorize all of this sort of service where like work in the service industry right as non-essential non-essential exactly ancillary if you will yeah I mean and I'm sure that people doing the work. It doesn't feel non-essential at all. They're you know when you're in service. You take a lot of pride in that kind of stuff and that kind of work but I get where he's getting like I don't I don't think Colson is like he's not evil or anything like that. Just looking at like hey you guys. We don't really need butler. We need soldiers. We need soldiers. We need people lease aiding the war effort in some way right right when he tank builders and so he's like hey ladies step up and be butlers. I definitely do think that it really does speak speak to what what's happening. In the mood is everybody now has roles to fill you know we we are no longer in a position where we can try out paths that might otherwise deviates from some use to the nation to a degree as far as <hes> the war effort goes. You know <hes> what is useful. That is the ultimately the question you know. It's a philosophical question and I think it's definitely a really really deep deeply profound article. It's interesting because this Guy Harvey he's like like I said Waukegan and sort of the the hub for like the factories and all that stuff they blue-collar hub right and he saying look these kids are having to go off toward these young set. That's referred to late in the article and we're getting left shorthanded. And so he's saying butlers time to get your hands dirty right. It's necessary. I'll tell you something that's interesting. I think you might find interesting about this. Article is the fact that it happens in September of nineteen eighteen because armistice which was the end end of World War. One was in November of nineteen eighteen. Yeah really goes to show you that we at least from the public is point of view that war wasn't going to end right well at least anytime soon well the the the well-to-do to do were holding out right. I'M GONNA hold onto my chef. My Gardner my butler. You know as long as I can cause. Let's do that yeah just right up to the end I mean they could. It closed down to like the three month Mark Yeah you figure to. They're trying minded to a degree. There's probably a D. Bond with some of these guys probably going to have to let go yeah. I saw Downton Abbey. Let's write the get close to them. You know right they missed. They missed their underlings. They WANNA have have the they wanna continue that interaction that they have where like I want something and then you get it. Life is good. Life is good. Do you see the balance. This is balance. Colson isn't exactly suggesting that we stop this <hes> this situation situation he's just saying let's shifted over to the ladies right. Let's let's let's shift that yeah. If we're if anybody's going to be doing anything unnecessary it should be the women. That's what he's saying. Yeah I guess that is what he's saying. Isn't it yeah in a nutshell I think so. I don't think he intends to make it sound now way but that's why I said like to degree this to me. Reminds me Rosie the riveter which is a World War Two reference right absolutely you know I'm sure everybody seeing that poster of the woman with the you you know the BANDANNA wrapped around their head and she's flexing or whatever and she's got that that blue shirt on everything right yeah blue shirt got the whole Bandanna thing going and that's like a symbol of feminism like women women empowerment and all that kind of stuff but but that was women sort of on their own taking up their responsibility right exactly but this I mean this sort of beckoning for the same kind of call to action but they want them to. You know to do that lawn do the John Drive people around. I don't know you think that that sort of like it goes toward you know the war effort. If you do the lawn does that count if you're freeing up a Butler while I guess it would have to a degree if you're saying that the butlers directly going to war like you are taking his stead and he is going to war right jeeves is on the front line exactly so if you're doing what jeeves would normally do is that you contributing to the war effort according to Colson right because you figure okay we'll jeeves. Jesus got sent to Verdone done so you're taking his place. You're helping the country I would argue. I could make an argument for that. Yeah that's true. I really could however I I would argue what about <hes>. What about the older gentleman? What about the ones that were not fit for combat yeah yeah yeah I think the age does play a factor because they the article even mentioned the younger set <hes> it kind of the way that it sounds is it's referring to the younger set meaning the the people who live with these butlers there's in cooks in gardeners and chefs everything rain and maids so they're gonNA go off to war when they come back they would rather see a woman in that role then jeeves scoffing at Dimmer <hes> I could understand that it's more of like the <hes> the idea of maybe seeing a gentle face mega warm welcome home right because you've just seen the absolute horrors of war and you know and the last thing you want to see is is Geez banding gene you in your most vulnerable state so go to a degree can sympathize with these guys right right? I mean bed bedside manner. Maybe maybe jeeves doesn't have bedside man. I guess yeah you come home and then you know the butlers just like tending to your wound or something. I don't know he'll flesh is melting yeah I I can sympathize with those guys and on that note. It's time for us to lead into a little bit of rake but we'll be right act with some more interesting stuff. Stay tuned folks. We can't wait to keep breaking down with you. This is a visa from flying blind podcast. You're listening to the five or five podcast munchies. She's thought and Mike describe like love and follow us ads work media at the U.. E. R. C. Media. Did you get good okay. Everybody we are back from the break. This is the five or five podcasts I am bunch Ethan and that over there is still Mike. I'm still here folks yeah. He's not going anywhere these essential to this show we are talking about an article that I brought in that specifically mentions things that are non-essential workwise September of nineteen eighteen September of nineteen eighteen just a few months before for the finished W._W.. One Riley and really important time in history we talked about the fact that this Guy Colson is proposing that women in service of you know like that type of service maids in you know all service roles of that time of the twentieth right for upper class right correct he saying they need to take over the men's roles also within that spectrum right and that that would free up the men to go do things that are more essential and helpful to the war effort right so that means me ask like who exactly this effects because this is now a concept. It's called total war right right. This is definitely the age of total war and I would argue. This is probably next to World War Two the big example of that for those of you that don't know total wards straight up means that the whole country is at war every facet that makes a country is at war with that other facet that makes that country that country. It's a way of life four yeah absolutely right to the utmost so when it's total war like this like in this specific example what Colson is asking for like who does that really affect right. I mean think about this okay so we have people who have the means to have butlers. Risk Right 'cause pardon me. He's like you know what this whole thing's kind of nasty toward men and women in service industry right because he's saying that a lot of non essential things within that industry right but it's total work so what does that mean like what who who exactly is having a give something up for this riot our standards have to completely be reevaluated right <hes> nonessential according to whom and for what purposes right so this is this is people with money these people with that can afford to have a driver. They have breakfast on silver platter literally right correct. We've got a made or two or three. They've got a jeeves. I mean it's Downton Abbey. Guys and Colson is like guys. Give it up. We're in total war and it's time for you guys to pony up right. You Got Twenty guys at work for you. That's a platoon yeah yeah. You've got the fifth battalion in your kitchen homes like come on. We could've taken this town. Had it not been for your driver's. Yeah help out right. Please yeah so I I feel like these are the only people that are terribly being affected by this relatively speaking and then these men I mean I don't know they're coming getting a little bit the shaft on this thing rate because I mean they're used to away way of life than there in service right and now they've gotta go DU munitions in all those other things that we talked about right the leaving the cushy house they're going to the battlefield if they're of age of the right age range right there trading in their suit tales for you know uniform fatigues and a rifle yeah yeah. It's it's crazy though because I my mind still thinks about those who aren't young I still think about those old Butler's or had to be a ton of them. Yeah I feel like maybe some of them would have gotten disdain Colston's plan. I'm not positive that he's like I don't know I don't really know too much about the guy at suffer that he's proposing this thing yeah <hes> I tried to look them up you know and obviously this didn't happen happen but especially with the fact that the war ended like a few months later like two months later yeah like I feel like maybe the rich people knew something yeah. That's where like hey no. No you can take my butler. Just give me a couple months to straighten things out strew right. Maybe just <hes> you pay him sixty days in advance on the hang out right yeah something like that yeah I mean he kinda even do anything in boot camp in two months from from the time that that even gets passes a law right. You can't even get war already in that time rain. Oh not at all see and these guys are used to carrying trays polishing shoes making sure that the car has primed for cranking. I think they're the ones getting at the worst in this story because the people who own these houses and stuff they're just gonNa have to get used nice to lady driving them around or a lady trimming the Gardner cooking dinner or something like that these roles that are traditionally reserved for men right right but these men are. They're getting the worst of it right for some of them. It's a complete change in their purpose purpose because for some of these men they they they they found purpose in what they did. It was the reason for waking up in the morning. It was their reason for doing everything because they found purpose in that and now he put a rifle in their hand. These men weren't prepared for that but the other thing that's interesting though is that the re he refers colson refers to a lot of these jobs is non essential that is really important. Topic to hit on non essential is such a awkward thing to talk about right according to whom right according to whom because at what point do you say you know. You don't need this and you don't need that or whatever is not really your your place to say right like Colston's Kinda. He's a little out of bounds on this right. I'm not tripping. Am I it always this goes back to you know any time right. Something is being declared as either value or not a value well according to whom yeah let's let's think about in the twenty first century context right. I've worked for a few companies that have had people who sold jobs are to just stare at a social media post. Okay okay now. Some folks might say that's extremely valuable. Okay I in my opinion. I think it's a good example of kind of comparing what a job that might be considered non essential today versus comparing to what might be non essential back then according to whom right right is. Is that something that you could really say well if we remove that person from this position. We'll this company continue to flourish yes or no you can assume that somebody that's like in this powerful position is going to be okay if nobody serves them afternoon tea right by they should I'd still be able to function in like do business. Even if nobody like you know fluffed or pillow right I mean I know that sounds Kinda simplistic but I think that's what causes going for with this whole thing right absolutely i. I don't think it's simplistic at all yet SORTA undercutting dry. It's almost flat out what he saying right right because you know the idea is total war. That's another thing to bring up his what would it look like like. Let's say modern-day Chicago and we're like in a war and just for the sake of comparison. Let's say that we're in total war. I just don't see that really being realistic thing now. These wars aren't really fought that way no but just for the sake of bringing up right right. Let's imagine in that world for a moment yeah yeah we're in total war for for whatever reason with whomever but somebody like Colson comes along and he starts pointing out everybody needs to be all in right yep you wants total by one hundred percent and so he's going to go after like what he considered to be non essential in this this case it happens to be downton right. You know he's going after jeeves he wants. He wants those guys to step up yeah but I'm like who's his non-essential target in today's or right right. Who is that like who is that guy hi like girl and you know right if the girl if if if we're going to go down that nasty road of it's gotTa be a woman replacing that guy so the guy can go fight the war like what is what male occupied roller what predominantly dominantly male occupied roll like right? It's difficult to like explain to to reconceptualise it to us in a modern yeah since I don't even know there's no analog law great I I I the only thing I consider as well. Are you a man. Do you work at a theme park for children then you need a gun. You know what I mean. There's a rifle for you off to war you go okay. Are you know what it is. Is Mrs Fields. It would probably be something to do with like entertaining in more. Maybe would actor something to do like in the distraction industry right like the guys running like the laser tag arena yeah. That's Kinda Yeah Okay okay the theme park yeah like this dude owns like a panic room because Lord knows we need panic rooms right. We need men managing them right. Yeah all men managers of do things like panic rooms and laser tag an air soft arenas. Don't need don't need men at the gas station right the gas station exactly yeah but I mean you have to be careful like considering you. You know what a male a male dominated role is. I don't think we have any of those left dewey like Oh yeah no no there still are there like what though so typically a male dominated roles physically would be a soldier ooh statistically see 'cause I'm thinking the perspective of like you know. The woman woman can do it right. I'm seeing like like that's where rat nowadays like you know ninety nine percent things are going to be like well. The woman can do that right right right if your ties us. You're seeing straight up. Statistically seeing a soldier is still pretty much Ado yes and statistically doctors are still male but the rest of the staff are predominantly female statistically see. I can't think of anything where would shock the like this was would have been shock to the upper class right to have to see jeeves gone yeah like to see to see fee in Jesus uniform. I got one for you know you would shock you would see in today's Shaq was how you would shock today's folks. I think to some degree I'm not even saying like crazy. Shock imagine going discount Tire Okay and you've got to and you've got a wheels and tires put on and it's nothing but the ladies doing it they you can do it for sure they can okay look no no no. They can do this right. However were just uses dudes doing <hes> yeah? I'll give you that usually the guy that's you know he's working the tire changing machine or whatever yeah any seem like he does that thing where we dip the oil brash scrubs tire really barrel and yeah the barreling throws it on the machine gets that tire wrapped around the rim. That's a dude and folks. I'm speaking generally right in my head. I'm not yeah I'll I'll go without. Go down that rooms if you general in my head yeah I imagine a dude yeah yeah that I think I don't think it'd be shocking but he he like Oh that look. She's just through that rim right up there. I think that's a twenty four inch wheel while let her go. She handled Allegra Champ Man. She's fast fast yeah yeah but I mean do okay so in a war effort nowadays because modern war it'd be a ton of technology and things like that and and that's what we would have to do on our end is like support on over here right in a total where there'd be lots of lots tech support going on back home right right a lot yeah so. I don't think you can't have women doing that like doesn't matter who's sitting in the keyboard as long as codes again done right right. You know what's what's interesting. Is that you will. What is it really like forty five to fifty five years of really just true integration what I would consider true integration of the sexes in the workplace sure and you know what I mean because it's just like okay like who's who's out there fighting? That's my question into twenty-first-century context number. One is in all the men that's true see you took a one-step deeper because this assumes that only the men are GonNa go nicely like Colston's whole effort revolves around the premise of dudes going to war right the boys right. I think we touch on that a little bit first half but it is way dependent on that the guys are going but in monitoring war total war in a modern context it could be anybody right correct. I mean we might even have service dogs. I don't know you know what I mean. Oh that's good. That's a healthy looking lab. There you know she's now part of the army innocent elite lab elite Lanta. He's joining the Marine Corps this dog right there. Official dog is a bulldog. Oh that's right. The official dog is a bulldog. That's right think bigger threat and on that note we should probably move onto the scoring. What do you think in my God I do? <hes> I think you killed. It knocked it out of the park indefinitely racking my brain here because you oh you deserve I score on this. This one came really contentious right dead but I think it was overly contentious by any meal right. It's you know what it's a sign of the Times type of article absolutely I mean that's kind of why we do this stuff so we'd take snapshots like back in the day and and compared to what was going on now definitely highest for worthy. I will say that what do you think she again to the scoring right after this yep after this break votes were definitely GonNa hit you with scorn. This is Evita from Flying Blind podcast. You're listening to the five five podcasts and she thought and Mike Subscribe like love and follows at work media breath as the W. E. R._C.. Media as you get it good we are at the point of the show where we do scoring is an exciting. Sometimes it is it always is before we get into the scoring. We just WANNA make sure in remind everybody that this is our fourth episode and coming up. Next is the fifth episode in this series of five for five years that we chose right. This time was Nineteen Fifteen nineteen twenty right yeah so we're going to select a winner on episode five. It's GonNa be the winner for the whole thing folks. There will be a grand champion and that champion. We'll get to read one last article next episode be ready. Folks stay tuned but for now on this episode. What do you think Mike in my ready to? <hes> get my score now ready and worthy all right. Let's do it worthy of twelve doctor who tortoises wow okay for going back in time for going back in time yes. I don't even like Dr who I love Dr who not a fan. I'M NOT GONNA lie the Daleks and the Oh man all of those crazy stuff yeah then that's for you man. Thank you for that yeah all right folks. We WanNa thank you for listening.

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Minnie-Sode: Week of August 11th, 2019

Earful: A Disney World Podcast

04:03 min | 1 year ago

Minnie-Sode: Week of August 11th, 2019

"What's up listeners. This is kate and i'm here to bring you. Another minnie's owed we had so many news clips from episode twelve the we had to create a brand new episode for your ears for this friday in this episode. You'll hear all sorts of things people suing disney for strollers running into them. The grand destino tower opening the most expensive room available around disney property disney being host for the special olympics and of course our favorite segment park rubers with bob disney sit back relax. Here's a mini sewed of earful also in the news this week. A woman is suing disney disney for a stroller mishap. Oh do tell she was on a walt disneyworld boss and she was seated next guest who has who had a motorized scooter which apparently apparently wasn't tied to the bus in the proper fashion and after they took a sharp turn she says the scooter fell into her and then her claim is that she sustained bodily injury and resulting pain and suffering disability disfigurement mental anguish question among many other all right this. We are sue happy okay. Here's what's going to happen. As a result of this as a result of this one person had throwing the lawsuit the bus wait times now are going to go astronomical because come out and tied down a stroller <hes> ah scooter fix that's cheating. It's just put the scooters behind the bus. Put the person on it. Oh yeah i the really fun. Thriller short is in addition to that. A second person is suing disneyworld for being. I don't want to say run over 'cause that sounds dramatic but they were run over by a scooter in-app got. What's the what's the awesome powers movie were the the steam truck the rollers coming. What's the actor's name a the actor from meyer nomad t._v. Per from ooh stewart stewart store yeah. Oh you're shooting me at the radio phone. I can hear it. Michael jeeves mcdonald's ha ha michael james macdonald. That was the guy that got motor over. I've never heard his name ever know somebody out. There were screaming and i heard it so apparently only the guest was just walking along the world showcase when a scooter came up from behind them and mowed them down and they are also claiming a fifteen thousand dollar claim. I'm just like the lady on the bus so i don't know if that's is that is that on disney of someone else like mows them down. I yeah it's on the person that was driving the scooter right. Oh i would think so yeah. I don't know how does a disney's fall. I don't know i have no idea so the grandest dino tower at coronado auto springs has officially opened and the disney tourist blog gave it a really great review and when i say great i mean very detailed. The tone of the article article to me was kind of mixed had its pros and cons didn't really move me to say like we're gonna try to get a reservation there next time but here's what they said here's here's the rundown of of their top points. It's very different from the rest of coronado springs. It has a very las vegas feel to it they they were saying probably because it's going to cater to travelers and people that are going to conventions the room size of a standard room is three hundred and seventy five square feet which is larger larger than most moderates on disney properties but most of that is the entrance hallway is yeah. It is located at a great position on the resort. It's it gives you a wonderful view. It's a tall.

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Mark Cuban Wants to Save Capitalism from Itself

The New Yorker Radio Hour

29:00 min | 11 months ago

Mark Cuban Wants to Save Capitalism from Itself

"This is the New Yorker Radio Hour. CO-PRODUCTION WNYC studios and Yorker. welcome to the New Yorker Radio Hour I'm David Ramnik mark. Cuban's life story is like a capitalist fairy tale. A working class kid from Pittsburgh gets into technology early, and he becomes a prolific investor, a billionaire, the owner of the Dallas Mavericks, and then one of the hosts of ABC Shark Tank. When I was starting audio was turned into the Stream and industry basically I had people coming to me throwing money at me? We had zero in sales nothing not one person understood what we were doing. They just do based off. But Mark Cuban's politics have been veering in an unusual direction for billionaire. He recently tweeted that the government should higher millions of unemployed people to assist with covert recovery and he also tweeted. This now is the time to train or pay stay at home, parents and caregivers as well. Ideas that might have come from Bernie. Sanders were Alexandria. Cossio Cortez. Our business correspondent Sheila Kaul. Had car talk to mark Cuban earlier this month. You've been advocating recently for things like a much higher federal minimum, wage and payments to individual workers from the government. Putting health of workers head of prophets, which is a somewhat radical notion in some circles. You know the number one thing that I've been trying to push is a transitional federal jobs program. In order for the the economy to come back in an order for for people to feel more confident about their lives they have to. They're going to have to be more jobs. I mean we've lost thirty plus million jobs. We have another twenty million people who are underemployed, so there's fifty million people who are on precarious work positions. What I proposed is that we look at the things that we need as a society and as an economy and start hiring people for those jobs. Jobs and are giving the examples we need tracking and tracing that that's a given and testing. Why not hire two three four million people? Whatever the number is, train them you know within all the hip regulations of privacy requirements to be healthcare workers that can implement tracking tracing also testing for that matter. Pay Them you know at least thirty thousand dollars a year plus benefits now you have that number of people who are confident that they have jobs and are willing to become sumers. Would you have ever thought that you'd be advocating for a big expansion of the federal government prior to this pandemic? That was the very quick answer. Hell No, no, absolutely not, but these are unique circumstances. Unfortunately, so what happened? When did you start to realize? This was different from other kinds of economic crises. Yeah. I mean because it happened so quickly still compressed. We've never had a scenario where businesses just shut down. You know across the country for the most part. So when you get this compression, you can't go back to the old dog matic ways and say this is the way it worked before because there was no before that's Azkaban, and so there is not a Republican way. Trickle down doesn't work and even a democratic way of just random spending, and just you know find ways to spend money injected into the economy. Economy that won't work either. You need to create in my mind a scenario where you create jobs that people have confidence, they'll be able to retain all those companies who are able to borrow money whether big or small. There's nobody buying their products or services. They won't survive, so this has to be a bottom-up solution, not a top down or trickle down solution. Some of these ideas just sound almost progressive to be Has That's something you've struggled with it all I? Mean you know look I'm and I could care less about how it's categorized label. They don't care at all we literally are. Are you know in my opinion going from America? One point zero to try to figure out what America two point zero is going to look like progressive. Dog, Matic perspectives are out the window. Conservative dogmatic perspectives are out the window. There are no rules at work. We have to solve a problem. People's lives on the line. I'm curious to know. How would you rate the trump administration's response so far in terms of their economic policy actions. Has, the cares act done what it was supposed to do. No, but it wasn't because of the plan. It was because of the execution, and so the plan itself was great PPP. Program effectively was to try to get money into businesses hands so that they can retain their employees immediately. The word immediately means everything. The fact that it took so long to get money into companies, hands and by proxy into employees, hands. That's created a different set of challenges and that's been the problem. It does seem to me that the you know the federal money that was earmarked for these different sort of bailout programs. You had the P. P P program the loans that turned into grants. Than you had the different piles of money going to the Federal Reserve to go to larger. What do you make of the fact that the restrictions on those different piles of money seemed to be so different. I mean it does seem to be that the smaller you are. There are a lot of restrictions a lot of hoops to jump through. The largest companies have the fewest restrictions. There is nothing to prevent them from using money. They get through the Fed buying their debt to do stock buybacks, even as they're laying people off What do you make of that? It's wrong. It's absolutely wrong. Any money that goes to a big public company. There should be a reward for taxpayers for loaning to them. If we had given twenty five billion dollars to Boeing, taxpayer should've gotten warrants. They should've gotten options. They should've gotten preferred distributions that has to take place with any money's going to bigger companies period end of story. On top of that if there's anything that's given to executives and that company UNA Perry pursue basis, it should be given to employees so just to pick numbers out there at the CEO makes a million dollars a year, and has given a million dollars and warrants, options or stock repricing. Then there's the same amount of grant. Opportunities should be given to the the lowest end worker for one hundred percent of their earnings. This truly should be capitalism at its best coming up with solutions to very severe problems with the reward, not necessarily going into an individual's pocket, but going into the taxpayer's pocket. I mean. These are very appealing ideas, and and they make a lot of sense, but again it's it's. It's a very heavy involvement of the government, and where you're almost suggesting a situation where the government is telling companies who gets paid what? And I could imagine that the corporate world being very resistant to being told how much they can pay. They WANNA. Pay CEO's whatever they want and they WANNA pay workers. As little. He wants right when businesses good all CEO's or capitalist when business is bad, all CEO's are socialists, right? They want as much as they can get for as little as possible But you know somebody's gotta put populist hat on and negotiate for the tax payers. Company and that's all I'm talking about. It's a form of capitalism, but it's it's different from the traditional understanding of capitalism is sort of a new idea of capitalism that you're thinking. If you look at it that way at all I'm just we have to have good representation of workers, and the economy is whole by true capitalist, and maybe that turns people off or rubs people the wrong way, but just not doing what's right and to me that's that's capitalism at its best, maybe with a little added dose of compassion, which I think particularly right now is needed, but is also a business I mean if you look at millennials and generation Z.. They only want to buy from people who. whose ideals they match up with, and those types of points of compassion are good business, and now we just have to apply those same concepts to what we do as a country. You know the game has changed. You know we're in a world now. Where if the people that we live next to the people that we pass in the streets, the people in our communities aren't doing well. Then all business fails. If people can't afford to buy anything, but the basics may not even the basics. All businesses of all sizes fail and I think people are starting to recognize now that if we don't lift up from the bottom, there won't be consumer demand because this all happened so quickly. Investor in Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban. He spoke with our business correspondent Sheila had car. Shield up Mark Cuban said to you that Progressive Orthodoxy and Conservative Orthodoxy are now out the window because of the pandemic, but as anything. He just told us not in fact, progressive orthodoxy. I. Think if you were to put the question to him. He would say well. My ideas are very focused on job, preservation and job creation. traditional sort of democratic socialist. Politician might be more focused on giving money to people giving social services, social supports and programs to people rather than focusing on the job element, but I thought it was interesting that a lot of the things that Mark Cuban says that he's four right now in terms of addressing. The problem and giving people more. Money to get through this are not happening because the Republicans in Congress. Don't want them to happen. And in many cases, the Republicans are actively blocking these things from happening the idea of extending unemployment benefits, considering sending more cash aid to families. There definitely opposed to that idea. They think it will create a disincentive. To working which is their longstanding argument? Sheila is Mark Cuban alone on this hill. Are there other business leaders saying similar things? There are. You've even seen the CEO of J. P. Morgan Chase, CEO, recently. You know we need to take this as an opportunity to rethink capitalism. Look I've personally spoken to Wall Street. Executives I think a lot of people even conservative wall. Street executives recognize the uniqueness of this situation and a number of people have expressed to me privately. Listen. You've got to give people money to get through this or there's going to be an uprising. There's going to be tumult in the government has to help people through that or you're going to have a real problem. You can find Sheila Kaul. Had Cars Work at New Yorker? Dot Com. This is the New Yorker Radio Hour. Stick around! This is the New Yorker Radio. Hour I'm David Redneck. Katie Waldman is one of the most voracious readers I know, which is good because that's her job. She writes the page Turner Column. For The New Yorker and she's always got a pile of the most interesting and on point books of the moment around. And while some people are talking about the big serious books, they're finally going to tackle. Katie Waldman recently wrote a piece about something quite different. We're here to talk about comic novels and not is definitely been wonderful and actually kind of a change of speed for me, because I'm more of a waller by nature than an escapist, so I was doing a lot of kind of grim reading. I was working on a piece of diaries, and I was reading civil war diaries Anne Frank's diaries, and it was all about enclosure and loneliness, and suddenly I thought you know I actually don't need an even worse reflection of the way that I'm feeling I would like to feel something completely different. So. I started reading comic novels, and so the first novel the I want to recommend is not going surprise anyone, but it's. Right Ho Jeeves by PG woodhouse. He is wonderful. He is written twenty three of these Birdie and jeeves stories and right Ho Jeeves is widely regarded I. think as the Crown Jewel. Jeeves is the Butler. He's STOIC. He's brilliant. He's impeccable and then Birdie is the colorful well-to-do fashionable young master. WHO's really friendly and loyal and wants to help those close to him. Get Out of scrapes, but he is unfortunately a bit of a Dodo. Glorious lack of self awareness. Getty. Did you want to read a passage from this novel sure? Well, I should introduce this by saying that right Ho Jeeves is in what is known as the rebellious period of the Brady and jeeves relationship so Birdie is quite a funded that his friends are leapfrogging over him to consult Jeeves so he is quite insulted and he tries to take a soothing bath to take mind off of the indignity. When one has taken the trouble to whack out a highly juicy scheme to benefit, and in the suit friend in his hour of Travail, it's pretty foul to find him giving the credit to one's personal attendant, particularly, if that personal attendant is a man who goes about the place, not packing mess jackets. The discovery of toy duck in the soapdish. Presumably, the property of some former juvenile visitor contributed not a little to this new and happier frame of mind. What with one thing and another, I hadn't played with Toy Dachshund, my for years and I found the novel experience. Most invigorating for the benefit of those interested I may mention that if you shove the thing under the surface with a sponge, and then let it go. It shoots out of the water in a manner calculated to divert the most care warn. Ten minutes of this and I was enabled to return to the bedchamber much more the Mary Old Bertram. The thing that people comment on all the time, and you can't help but love in. Would houses just the sentences that the language the sound of it? The kind of jokes that seem. inimitable, where does where does that come from I mean it's a great question. Because I think he creates these very ornate cataracts of nonsense. Like. This person doesn't necessarily know where his sentence is going to end, and neither do you, but you're in it together. Presuming that you're not just plowing your way through a stack of woodhouse day after day. What else is on your? Hit parade well I wanted to bring up Richard Russo's novels straight man in part, because it heartaches in a long and glorious tradition of grumpy professor novels. Straight man is about an English professor named Hank, who is kind of wisecracking and anarchic, and he has all these problems in his department. First of all, there's no money, so he has no budget. Second of all his colleagues are back. Biting and rude and one is physically violent. Third he is estranged from his wife. His children are kind of feeling to launch Sui as all these somewhat ivory tower problems, and the climax of these various simmering pots is he ransoms a goose from the university duck pond and declares that he will kill it and less. Someone gives him a budget with which he can get things done in the English department and it just gets crazier from there. Sounds Great. Have you ever thought of Richard? Rousseau is really funny. Writer but somebody WHO's. It's an interesting point because I think he. When I I found it I was in middle school and I thought it was the most charming book I ever read. Now you know rereading it. It's not entirely lighthearted. The stakes are somewhat high. The emotions are real and often painful, and you kind of see that he's made a conscious decision to laugh instead of cry, and that's his way of claiming agency. There's a real understanding their the comedy sort of glows the brightest when it is sat in tragic frame. What's next on your reading list? So this one is called lightning rods, and it's by Helen dewitt. Have you heard about this book or Heaven? She is a wonderful author. You may have read the last Samurai, which was praise to the heavens, but this is slightly smaller and a little bit weirder work. It's an office sex comedy, and and the idea is that There's a lot of ambient sexual tension in the American workplace, and so this one guy has the idea to deploy temp workers that provide anonymous sex to people in a corporation and company gone. So that they don't sexually harass the actual female employees bizarre sounding novel. Yeah, well one thing that's kind of funny about it is. You haven't seen better. Call Saul. Have you sort of breaking bad spin off I have okay, so this is a very the main character is very saul like he's kind of hapless on one, and but also this kind of silver, tawny opportunist at flexible morals who? We actually start to think in his rhythms, because dewitt inhabits his thoughts, and that itself is somewhat audacious and funny. You keep hearing about readers who say okay now. That I've got this, you know. Thanks to this terrible thing. This opportunity that I'm finally going to read and then fill in the blank. Do you have anything like that on your list? I should finish moby Dick Right. Yes. Yes, you always come up short with Moby, Dick. You know I actually really love it. It's very Allah Ping I just. I. Don't have that drive to finish it because I like having it there as something that I can always always make a little bit of progress on well. Here's to good reading. Thank you so much, Katie thank you. Katie Waldman has more recommendations for comic novels, and you can read her on books new and old at new. Yorker DOT COM. Now if you're thinking that while you're spending so much time at home, this might be the chance to master that craft. That's always eluded you. We've got a little cautionary tale. A few years ago, The New Yorker Susan Orlean attended Origami USA a gathering of the hard core of Origami guests. Here Susan. I've always loved reading about and writing about people who are inordinately passionate about something, which is kind of a nicer way of saying people who are obsessed. Of course I. Love Origami People. That I went to the convention to see one origami person in particular, a Caltech train physicists name Robert Lang. Robert had been doing cutting edge, research and lasers, but then at the peak of his career in physics, he gave it up to become professional origami artist. Every Origami Fan at the convention wanted to be in a class with Robert. He's the Davinci of Origami maybe his. The OBI Wan Kanobi of Origami many's the secretariat of Origami. He was teaching session on a model of his call the Taiwan goldfish. It's open, seven hundred and sixteen in the WHO've of Robert Lang. This is Robert Lay be presenting his Taiwan goldfish. Thank you Robert. You're welcome. Are we ready to go? Okay I told the folks here. We're using ten inch. Foil backed paper. American foil flew over years. Robert has folded flat sheets of paper into an unimaginable array of things including rhinoceros. Kuku clocks UNICORNS. Nearly every kind of beatle known to mankind, and in one of his most famous demonstrations, the head of Drew Carey. There was a plot line where drew Carey took up on me, and they said well. We want them to fold a big origami model himself. So would you fold? A Life Drew Carey which I did but they rewrote that script. So, it never made it to air. Sort of too bad. Now I am the lowest level of. Artist fact I really shouldn't even dignify myself by calling myself an artist. I I like folding paper. Normally. I would not be the target audience for Roberts Class. So. Let's get started and we're GONNA. Start with the color up. And folded paper in half from edge to edge. This was step by step instruction on how to fold Roberts Taiwan goldfish. It's this really beautiful creature with a hinged mouth. Long elegant tail, and all the proper goldfish fins trailing off in a kind of poetic way. and. It's really hard. So hand. Don't go so fast. So I cheated. I was sitting next to a friend of Roberts another professional origami artists. And he kept leaning over in helping me. Fix My mistakes. Here's where we were. Going to bring this raw edge. Lineup with a diagonal existing crease as I do that. I'll have to make a squash fold of the layers in between squash that and flatten. There's a low close up. The crease folded over. And I squash fold a little hood. And then pressed flat. There is a problem and we're ready for our next step. Origami is an ancient art form that nobody would ever describe as a growth industry, but we're also now recognizing that it has enormous technological potential. In fact in two thousand twelve, the National Science Foundation awarded millions of dollars for research into the scientific applications of folding, and this this gave a huge jump start to the field. There have been all of all of these applications that people have demonstrated. Demonstrated using origami and solar rays and airbags and telescopes and things like this, and this is something. The really cool ways Origami is being used now is as a foldable Kevlar bulletproof barrier for police teams, so it's twelve layers of Kevlar and you grab it, and it unfolds and creates this sort of arc shaped barrier, because it's folded from one sheet with no scenes, there are no weak places. The next step is going to be a CRIMP. Shrimp is to foul. Valley Goldfish Mountain exists. The mountain folds. Is this verdict goal crease that we made early on. The valley folds going to run out in this. Is there something innate that would make someone good at Origami as opposed to just being studious? It's hard to put a finger on precisely what is? To be really good Origami. You need to be able to visualize what the papers doing and visualize. kind of what's what's going on inside a stack of layers. You know I just thought. This might be ridiculous, but. I wonder if people who are good at our Gami would also be good at cutting hair. because its three dimensional. And it's lots of layers. And have to research that, but it's just. I don't know any haircutters who come to the convention I'm drawing this connection. 'cause I'm really bad at cutting hair much as I always love to cut like my boyfriend's hair. And also quite bad at Origami, and so I think I think there is a connection known origami. If we mess up, we throw it away. Grab a new sheet of paper. You have to have a little more care and precision when you're reading. Someone say new boyfriend. Just. Get a new person. Can See this. This side is half of a reversible GONNA. Do the same thing on the other side. I should have had more coffee. I remember when we first met. You said something to me. That I've never forgotten that that paper has a memory that once you fold it. You can never entirely. Remove the fold my remembering this right. Yeah, one once you, may you fold it at the paper has a memory because the the the fibers and the bonds between the fibers or permanently changed, and so it'll, it'll always know that full. It's funny because it's something I think about often because there's something kind of profound about it, if feels. Seems like it's kind of about life to. The engineers have a way of you know reducing a profound concept to a technical term. It undergoes plastic deformation just means A. Change and lots of materials do that as well. If you take a sheet of metal, and you hold it, and then you try to unfold it. You'll be left with a little bit you that you can't really get rid of but paper Yes. It remembers that fold, but then it's also happy to fold the other direction. And Dad is unusual. Key Kid. And the very last regular full. I'm going to. Open it out. And reversible at forward. So that. We go. You get a mouth. That is the mouth. Is. And once you have the mouth then. You can put your fingers inside round the body. And bring the Finns out. That's our finished goldfish. And our visitor was successful. Well. Let's. Susan Orlean with the Origami Legend. Robert Lang Susan's most recent book of nonfiction is called. The library book. I'm David Remnant and that's our show for today. Thanks for joining US I hope you'll join us next time for the New Yorker Radio Hour. The new. Yorker Radio Hour is a CO production of WNYC studios and the New Yorker. Our theme music was composed and performed by merrill garbage of tune yards with additional music by Alexis quadruple. This episode was produced by Baron Emily Boutin Ave Correo ran in corby Cala David. Krosno Caroline Lester. Go Fan and put. Louis Mitchell Michelle, Moses, and Steven Valentino with help from Alison Macadam, Morgan Flannery Monkey Chen and emily man. The New Yorker Radio. Hour supported in part by the Tarinah and domino.

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279. Diabetic Foot Ulcers

Surgery 101

13:46 min | 2 years ago

279. Diabetic Foot Ulcers

"Hello and welcome back to surgery one the podcast series. Brought to you with health of the department of surgery at the university of Albert this Jonathan white coming to you from the ROY exander hospital in lovely Edmonton. Alberta in this week's episode. We'll be hearing from medical student Rondo tools -i who comes to us from the university of Janna. His topic is going to be diabetic foot Alzheimer's. He'll be considering why people get them what they looked like on what we should do about them. So let's get ready to dig deep into the diabetic foot ulcer here on surgery one. Oh one. Hello. My name is Randolph and a medical student from the university of Ganda today. We'll be discussing diabetic foot ulcers in this episode. I will define diabetic foot alters explained relevant pathophysiology give you a clinical pitcher state. How it is diagnosed and finally we'll speak on its management. Looking after patient the diabetic foot alter can be a daunting task for medical student. I remember being very shocked to see a large gaping hole with numerous maggots in the foot of my very first surgical patient while in clerkship, but would exposure to and understanding off the disease management of diabetic foot ulcers can be streamlined. Would that said let's begin. With a case you're in the final week of your general surgery clerkship when the resident on your team acts you to see a patient in emergency room who has diabetic foot ulcer as you make your way to the ER you recall, the notes you made undeveloped authors. You remember reading the diabetic foot Alzheimer's are complex chronic wounds. That result from various changes in neuro vascular physiology, muscular-skeletal architecture, an immunologic response owing to chronic hyperglycemia. In diabetics these wounds are the number one cause of hospitalization in diabetics and can result in significant mortality and reduce quality of life. So why is diabetic foot ulcer important condition? Diabetic foot ulcers are common surgical pathology. With fifteen percent of diabetics developing foot ulcer and twelve to twenty four percent of individuals with. Title, sir, requiring amputation each year being able to recognize diabetic foot ulcer is important to primary care physicians as delayed treatment is associated with a significant risk for limbless with diabetic ulcers accounting for more than half of all non traumatic amputations. So why does it occur? The formation of diabetic ulcers are a result of a combination of pathological changes which occur over long periods of high blood sugar exposure, these changes can be grouped as one peripheral arterial scheme era and two preferable neuropathy, purple arterial ski Mia refers to neuro vascular actress, fluorosis and micro vascular endothelial dysfunction. This is ju- to increase calcification and metabolic abnormalities such as high LDL levels would increase pleaded adhesion reduce circulation compromises both tissue healing and infection. Control. A neuropathy refers to progressive loss of sensory motor and autonomous nervous functions. This results from increase intracellular, Surbiton accumulation, and micro vascular scheme you? So they are number of predisposing factors that result from perform neuropathy that would lead to limb injury. Let's discuss them. Now firstly there's a loss of protective sensation which increases the chances of unrecognised trauma and late wouldn't presentation, then autonomic dysfunction leads to dry cracked scaly skin, which makes bacterial seeding into deeper tissue, easy, and as such infections can propagate turdly. They can be motor dysfunction, which would lead to loss of the normal foot. Architecture would abnormal pressure points and subsequent alterations developing. When those factors are combined with an initial injury, a chronic soft tissue wound can develop what a superimposed bacterial infection that will lead to loss of limb function and may possibly lead to sepsis. So at this point, we're walking over to meet the patient at the bed and had you just read that missions chart. You read that patient. Mr. Jeeves is a sixty seven year old meal with a long standing history of diabetes mellitus type two who has had poor glycemic control for a number of years. He came to the yard complaining of pain and pus discharge from a wound on his left foot. You introduce yourself and begin to take a history from him you recall, the diagnosing diabetic foot also hinges on detail history taking and meticulous physical examination. In addition to taking the history of the presenting complaint, a physician should focus on symptoms of possible per floor, neuropathy or peripheral arterial schema such as hyper seizure, Paris, Dijon and cloudy -cation understanding of their diabetic history. Glycemic control medication use. Activity status are also crucial to management. Mr. Jeeves tells you that he is had no miss an a tingling sensation to both legs for years now and sometimes cannot feel small injuries to them. He says that he hasn't seen a doctor in six months and has run out of medication tree months ago after detail history yet, Mr. achieve if you can examine both legs wanting to compare the affected and unaffected limbs on examination you bear. In mind. Typical presentation of diabetic foot ulcers alters tend to occur over areas of weight bearing such as the heal. The plantar metatarsal heads an over the Malia lie. The wounds can vary in depth size. A number with some wounds forming complex tracks owing to secondary infection. Other telltale signs that may point a physician to diagnosis of diabetic foot. Ulcers are one dry cracked hairless skin. To the loss of the plantar arch. Tree calluses in four brittle nails. After thorough inspection of both limbs, you'll remember that detail physical examination for diabetic foot ulcers involve for competence one. Dumped a logic noting skin color cracks fissures, Dima, blisters and temperature to muscular skeletal looking for cloth. Does hammer toes prominent metatarsal heads bunions overlapping toes, muscle wasting and shark. Odds foot, which is a flat. Bottom foot Juta, joint, instability, and muscle atrophy tree neurologic inspecting for sensation loss with the monofilament tests testing for ankle reflexes and vibration perception and for vascular where we evaluate for flow foot pulses, and in some cases, taken ankle break you'll index. As you're finishing your exam. Your resident arrived, so you Mr. Jeeves in proceed to present your findings. The resident is impressed with your level of detail and commence your before you leave you act a resident how we will manage Mr. gave reminds you that we're treating the whole patient not just his foot and so- relates the goals of management for diabetic foot ulcers. They are as follows one provide local wound care to restore adequate blood supply tree pressure off loading and for treating underlying cause we will now discuss each of these in detail. So let's start with local wound-care this involves surgical debrief -ment, infection control, an optimal dressing, the most common method us is sharp surgical debasement where operative techniques are used to remove dead Macronix, Lafayette issues in drain pus. Effective, debris. It meant allows for complete is Asian and wound closure, but they are out of farms divide -ment such as hydrologic derived -ment and larval therapy, infection control can be achieved with broad spectrum antibiotics with subsequent antibiotic choice usually dependent on tissue cultures. The normal duration of antibiotics is usually one tree weeks. Next is restoring adequate circulation. Adequate circulation is crucial to infection control, an optimal. Healing early. Revitalization. Can reduce the risk of amputations indications for revalorisation include necrosis and signs of critical. Limit ski Mia such as reduced or absent pulse. Feeling a limb that is cold to touch and obvious power of limb surgical options for birth. Little artery disease include vascular bypass, or Angie. Oh, plastic with stent placement. Turdly is pressure off loading. This is a highly individualized process where specialized Cass and footwear are used to shift pressure away from at risk areas of the foot in order to redistribute pressures evenly across the foot, while weight bearing I still encourage healing and prevent farther. Also rations finally management of a patient with a diabetic foot ulcer is never complete without initiating are optimizing diabetic treatment to restore proper glycemic control an easy way to remember steps involved in managing diabetic patient after surgical interventions is to use the a b c d e s approach a is for a one c goal. So we would optimize the patient's medication to achieve an individualize. Hba? One Siegel be for blood pressure and short tight blood pressure. Control with appropriate. Medication and sodium restriction. Cease for cholesterol, prescribed statins to lower cholesterol levels. D is for diet emphasize low car blow fat diet that is rich in protein. ES for an exercise plan. Initiates an exercise plan that is individualized each patient taking into consideration their activity status and disability level S is for smoking advice smoking cessation. The next morning. Your resident tells you that Mr. achieve had local wound care was restarted an appropriate medications and did not require an MP tation, your tangled hair, this and hope that Mr. g follows output, his family doctor. Okay. We've set a lot in this episode. So let's recap diabetic foot alters our common complication of diabetes. It is a chronic wound farm from an initial injury compounded by poor circulation and healing. Patients present with a non healing ulcer to pressure points foot that may be infected or contain gangrenous to sue. A thorough near vascular examination is required before treatment surgical management. Involve sharp do bright -ment broad spectrum antibiotics and frequent dressing changes. And finally, don't forget to treat the cause. Thank you for listening. Thanks Rondo for that. Awesome. Overview off such a common topic, please checkered all of our other episodes at surgery one one dot org. Thanks for listening. I will see you back here next week on surgery one. Oh one.

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S1E5: The Suspect

Case Closed

24:05 min | 2 years ago

S1E5: The Suspect

"In order to support this show will need the help of some great advertisers. And that means we'll need to learn a little bit more about you. So you can help the show by taking a quick anonymous survey to help us get to know, you a little better. Once you've completed the survey you can enter for a chance to win a one hundred dollars Amazon gift card, terms and conditions apply. Find the survey at pod survey dot com slash case closed. That's P O D S. You are the E Y dot com slash case closed. Thanks now. Enjoy this week's episode. Welcome case closed a show about the times, the bad guy didn't get away with it the times the goodguys. Discover exactly who the killer is and has sometimes that's just the beginning of the story. I'm Charlie Spicer. Last episode. We took you inside the search for Erin. Corwin body, hundreds of volunteers and law enforcement officers spent eight weeks and over five thousand hours searching for Aaron in the end her body was found at the bottom of a mine shaft in the desert near Joshua tree national park. The discovery of Erin's body was a big deal and not just because the search had been so difficult without a body. It would have been almost impossible to convict errands killer. And shortly after she went missing, the San Bernardino county sheriff's office was almost positive. They knew who killed Erin. Corwin. As Erin prepared to leave her apartment early on the morning of June twenty eight two thousand fourteen she wasn't the only one getting ready on jasmine drive. Since his fair with Aaron had been revealed that spring Christly and his wife, Nicole had been planning to go back to Alaska when his military contract ended. Now, Chris was in his final days his time in the marines would end July seventh as his time in California wound down Chris decided to take one last trip to the desert and so the morning of June twenty eighth in the apartment next door to Aaron's. Christly was also getting ready for a day and Joshua tree national park. He talked about hunting coyotes and blowing up a mine shaft. An experienced hunter. He carried a twenty two Winchester rifle to his car on the way back from the carport. He ran into Connor Malecki and asked if Connor wanted to go coach hunting, author Shanna HOGAN recalls the interaction. In the bag. Chris Jeeves, Connor noticed something odd. There was a propane tank. And at one point Connor ask Chris what he was planning to do with that. And Chris Mead, like a weird smile and said I'm going to flow stuff up or I'm going to have fun. Chris had visited the same abandoned areas. Six days earlier with a friend Joseph the pair spent the one hundred degree day wandering, the desert taking pictures of rattlesnake Chris killed of dilapidated brick cabin and of the mineshafts. It was the mine shafts that particularly interested Chris he got into his car and headed to highway sixty to the main route to the national park at eight sixteen AM his phone buzzed with text from Connor. Conor calls. Chris back and says, hey, I can meet up with you. And So Chris gives him in directions of where he'll be. But then he tells Connor that he's turning off his phone tell Nicole his phone will be on airplane mode. And so Conor gets an his car, and he had down to look for Chris and spends hours searching the desert trying to find him trying to meet up with him calling texting repeatedly. And Chris never answers his phone. And he never finds Chris. When Chris turned his phone back on around three thirty. He had missed calls from his wife and from Connor Chris calls Connor back and has this elaborate story that says he got lost. She got turned around. He his phone was off. And at one point some guy started shooting at him, and he got freaked out and drove back to the apartment complex, and when they meet back up in the apartment complex, the first thing Connor notices is that they're the propane tank is gone. When Chris got back to the apartment complex, Nicole was hyperventilating. And having an asthma attack. She was very freaked out where he had been this whole time what had taken so long why he wasn't answering his phone and Chris calmed her down, and they ended up getting takeout and eating dinner with their daughter. Elsewhere on jasmine, Dr Chris was not the only one who had been out of touch. John meanwhile, has seen no sign of Erin. He used been calling her like more than fifty times texting her leading voicemail after the sun started to go down. He got really worried whereas Aaron where is she? Why isn't she called him? Why did she return to the apartment complex? And he spends a sleepless night holding his phone worried about Aaron and then the next morning he wakes up, and he calls the sheriff's department and reports are missing. A pregnant woman lost in the desert during the summer was considered high priority for the San Bernardino county sheriff's department it wasn't unusual for hikers to get lost in Joshua tree. And every year, dozens were rescued and another handful died from dehydration exposure to the elements accidents and even the occasional murder. The sheriff's department comes and campuses the apartment complex, and when they first see Chris they asked him about Aaron, and he says, I didn't really know her. Well, I did talk to her the most we had exchanged a word just simple passing by in the hallway, you know, a high here in a high there. Ally. One that was quickly corrected when the detectives made their next up at asking and Connor Malecki apartment Aveling told the police Chris and Aaron had been having an affair that had ended in the spring. But when the detectors went back to Chris's apartment, he was gone. As lon- calls, Nicole later that day and says, where's where's Aaron guys know what happened to Aaron and Nicole freaks out on her and says, I don't care what happens to that little bitch and hangs up the phone. Nicole? Lease phone was not the only one ringing as the detectives continued canvassing the apartment complex, errands, mother Lor got a call at home in Tennessee. What was your first thought that might have happened to her? Well, noting that she had absolutely no sense of direction. I seemed she was lost. Laura was about to visit Aaron in twenty nine palms, the two had made plans. She knew her daughter would not just run off. Probably the last part of our conversation was talking about all the things she wanted me to cook. And making sure that she made the grocery list outright. So she would have all the ingredients. And all those ingredients in her kitchen. More knew that something wasn't right. She booked a flight to California the next morning as her mind raised about what might have happened to her daughter. She realized there was someone who might be able to help. Anybody had had any contract with earns would have been just so I didn't need Paul the sheriff the and poked him I felt let's just he could give them information. Jesse Trenton with errands best friend, they were in constant communication talking on the phone texting. And Erin toll Jesse everything about her relationship with Chris about the troubles in her marriage with John even about her new pregnancy. Jesse was good at keeping Aaron secrets. But by that night, Jesse would reveal all when we come back from the break. I want to tell you about another podcast. You might like it's called unsolved unsolved is hosted by reporter Gina Barton at the Milwaukee journal sentinel this season, she investigates mysterious murder dating back twenty years. The victim was a Catholic priest named fryer. Alfred coons someone slit his throat inside his parish school in nineteen ninety eight fryer coons was very attached to ancient traditions, and he even did exercises. The colorful set of suspects includes marine claiming to be clear voyage and a man who feared the end of the world. You'll also get to hear audio of fryer coons before his death. Learn why his beliefs and the group of people he called friends made his murder so hard to solve checkout unsolved season, three the devil. You know on. Podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. This episode is supported by the new thriller the Moroccan girl by Charles coming. 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As the San Bernardino county sheriff's department began investigating Erin Corwin disappearance the day after she went missing they talked to everyone errands husband, John, her neighbors her mother lore. But there was one person who was in communication with Aaron more than anyone else. Her best friend Jesse Trentham Jesse knew everything about Aaron including her secrets. But when the police I contacted Jesse she didn't tell them everything Jesse is really nervous at first. She knows that she would be revealing her friends deepest darkest secrets she fears what Aaron will say to her when she returns back, but she realizes how serious the situation is. I Jesse was just hinting when she talked to the sheriff's department hinting that they should go talk to Chris that Chris might know more. And when the sheriff revealed that Chris's back that they had actually talked to him, and he had denied actually even knowing Aaron than Jesse got extremely alarmed. I onto my head is where is she? Why are you here why she? She knew that if Chris was back at Aaron was not with Chris than something was very very wrong. And so she revealed everything. Jesse told the police the affair between Aaron and Chris had never ended Aaron believed she was pregnant with Chris's baby. When Erin Grenell. She was pregnant did she did she think it was Christmas? Or did you think might be John's? Shame. Sure, she knew like personal chores, and she told Chris Redway and actually told him because. Chris new abet the baby and not only that Aaron toll Jesse that Chris wanted to take her somewhere special has the surprise to celebrate her being pregnant. They plan to spend the whole day together. So when Aaron went to Josh between national park on June twenty eighth she was planning to meet Chris and on Monday June thirtieth. The detectives found errands, abandoned, blue Corolla about five miles outside Joshua tree. We find out that they found her car without her. Oh my gosh. And that's when I knew something had happened because we were going to go to see world we were going to go to San Diego zoo, shingle, never given that stuff. That's given that trip up after they find your car. What you're thinking the worst at that point. Or I'm new that's something. Had happened. I knew that she was no longer in the picture. You know, and she would text me of calming. Oh daily, you know, multiple times, you know, we would have contact frequently throughout the day, and I had texted her on Saturday, and she never responded. And you know, did hear from on Sunday, and you know, nothing day, and then they find her car, and she just wasn't going to go that long without contact with me. As detectives continued working on the case, they weighed what they knew Aaron had been having an affair. She had been planning to meet her lover on the morning. She went missing and she believed she was pregnant with his child, but she was also married to another man. A man who had waited a full day to alert police that his pregnant wife was missing. The detectives right away are wondering could John have had anything to do with it too Tino about the affair. And did he kill his own wife? So the police are questioning John, and I he seems very quiet and they're wondering if he has something to hide they wonder why it took him so long to alert police why they didn't why he didn't call that night and tell police that she was missing. At the same time the suspicion around the marine base is to John something to his wife on Facebook. He's being attacked and painted as a killer around the marine base. People are giving him dirty looks and looking at him suspiciously. But it was another marine who the San Bernardino county sheriff's department considered the prime suspect Christopher Lee, and they decided to bring him to the police station for an interview Chris admitted to the affair blaming his depression. But he maintained that the relationship was largely emotional. Hockey. With my wife. In the ninth is this. But she's she's. Time heals cheese secret. So delver missing Chris. Chris was adamant that the affair had not been sexual that it had been over for months, and that Erin was a pathological liar who manipulated him into thinking. Her husband abused her. Johnson. Abusive. Games. Hitting firs. Should remind me lender. France. It is true or not. That monday. Maybe it's lecturer of. Basis vast safer. At first they when they're talking to Chris they're being gentle. They're asking him questions about his life. You know, they're trying to give them out and say, you know, I know you might not want to mitt to the affair because you don't want to get in trouble with your wife and with the marines, and then the police confront him that it looks like his tire tracks have been parked right next to her vehicle. The date is we don't. Also that. People see her. Other other. What? Wins. Author. Yes, problems you Lou. I'm trying to write leader really cold way. Gazers people author reason known reason drive by that knowing. I don't believe that you were able to. When something happened. Through getting. We're. When you find her. That. For the first time Chris admits that he didn't see Erin that day that she went missing. But he did see her car. He claimed that he was driving to Joshua tree national park for his Coyote hunt, and he passed by her car pulled over saw that she wasn't in it and then continue to drive away. Chris remains steadfast. He had seen the car, but he had nut seen Erin that day. But when the detectives asked if he would be willing to take a lie detector test, he said, no. Before he left. Detectives s Chris if there was anything else, they should know. Playing his buddy out every single message. That was said. They asked Chris if they would find anything suspicious on his phone and tell him it's best that he reveal it because they're going to find whatever he was doing on his phone. And So Chris does reveal that he had made some suspicious searches for how to dispose of a body. Rattling agrees. But. Which is. Reason. His. There is. Result. Pays was. Are you serious heard? Holy crap. After a five hour interrogation. Police sent Chris home. Although his story didn't add up without a body. It would be almost impossible to charge him with errands murder. Few days later, Chris Nicole, Lee, left twenty nine poems on July seventh the last day of his marine contract. Chris was officially honorably discharged from the marines. The lease packed up their belongings and headed back to Anchorage Alaska. And that might have been but police kept working on the case eventually tracking down the friend Joseph who had gone along with Chris on the trip where he initially explored the old money district and investigators also stayed determined to find errands body. And when they finally did they were ready on Monday, August eighteenth in Anchorage, Chris, and Nicole Lee, we're driving his mother Chevy suburban back to his parents house when they saw red and blue lights flashing in the rear view mirror. Next time on case closed. Have a pigeon. When you're you're not they're hearing all the evidence and everything they did they can find jobs so obvious that his attorney transitive after on her. He would not find it. They would have to make something up and they did. And they did. Case closed is a production of MacMillan podcasts. The show is produced by Katie Ferguson with help from Bheki Cele Stena Camilla Salazar Sarah grill and Alissa Martinez. Huge thanks to Shanna HOGAN to learn more about Erin Corwin story. Pick up a copy of Shannon's new book secrets of marines wife now available at any bookstore, whereas an audience we'll be back with a new episode next Tuesday. I'm Charlie Spicer. Thanks so much for listening.

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Martin Starr

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Martin Starr

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I hope you enjoy it as much as i did and Get some harry's shave sports the show and i can't wait to see you at the live show on april tenth. Me thou jason schwartzman and burning. It's going to be an you. It's going to be incredible so please join us. If you can. Tickets at alms dot com for the live. In the meantime enjoy martin martin star. Get into it right down. Martin clause the martin clause boys and girls and martin had a good way to start There he is oriented missed. Oh don't give me that trademark flat. Hello how dare you our our you doing all right. Good nice to see you are you. Good yeah thanks. So i'm alive so that's a good start. Yeah yeah yeah well. We're we're recording. Is that okay. We just sort of start. I like that they. Hey how you doing. Are you know you said it wasn't video right video. Look at the towels hanging up behind me and the garbage camp. That was your aesthetic noser. It smells really bad in here. I have a son. And i use it a lot and you could tell a blind person could tell that. There's a sonnen here because it reeks and only away that a human body in a room with closed doors and windows can produce. So do you take a shit and massana every every once in a while. That's that's the main people. Don't talk about this but the main point of sauna thing is to get the bowels. The inside of your balance sweating. I don't think this is right. I'm going to do a little google. Search what we're today. You won't find it. You'd have to go on the dark web to find the this is real stuff. I'm gonna bring it wasn't as accurately as days. That's what i hear. I sometimes go to bang. I think it was. Joan of ray told me to go to bang and i do go to being every once in a while and you do get whatever they ask you do or you can ask jeeves. It's totally up to you. You've got options. Jeeves retired jeeves. Kicking it in the south of france. I think he's done see not know gbs. I'm gonna check right now. Ask ask jeeves. Ask jeeves almost while you're at a check web crawler. These things don't exist anymore ask. Jeeves is still there now. it's ask dot com. Well see jeeves politely. Moonwalked away be. You're right and he's relaxing. He's like you can keep the ask. I'm okay with asquith. Gbs is out you ask me. I don't go by name anymore. I liked jeeves. that's when i To bring you in kumail. And i were friends in two thousand and one. That's when we met reiger braggart. I don't wanna say we're closer than you could ever be But in another way maybe i could ask jeeves. That's the way to put it. I would just ask dot com one hundred percent. Jk but that time of my life is earmarked by asking gbs like the the novelty of how many like a full question and we have sort of gone full circle because now if you talk to alexa you talk to her like jeeves. Or any of those home butts We were watching frazier a couple nights ago. Where into frazier. who cares. And i said we paused. It and i said as david said alexa is david. Hi pierce again. Because he's kind of crazy for women on the show and we weren't sure if he was really achieving wonderful acting thing whatever and sometimes i'd like to. We'll be like this is what i found on the web. David hyde peers is has been dating a man or whatever like it'll just search for you but this time alexa just went. Yes david hyde pierce's get it just it just had it was but i mean like it will do the same thing if i say martin starr married like. It has certain facts that it keeps. Loaded ready to go and other things that gould. And so on. So exact amend but for some reason david hyde pierce's sexual orientation is in the frontline documented. Yeah that's public record She should have said sexuality is a spectrum. And who am i to say i like. What kind of a question is. You'd have to ask him personally. Honestly i don't feel comfortable. That's correct dancing. It's appropriate i. Who am i to say is the right answer and you say we are watching frazier. I just imagine you and your sauna and your arm kind of around your sauna eating popcorn. No the saana is all shitting in it. I'll watch disturbing things or for lack of a better shitting or lack of a better. I watched like the revenue. I'll watch things that like vowel. My wife has no interest in especially since we had a baby like dark. Things are off the table. So much like alan versus pharaoh for example like oh that has no place in our house. It's hard for me to watch. But that's what i'll watch in my little man cave. I hate man cave but in this little area it doesn't make it onto the big screen in the halstead. Documentary is towns. Have you watched it all. I i assume i guess on. Hbo maxi briley. Watch them all. But i'm watching on. Hbo of They are them every sunday. So i've got through the first to obey the. That's there is h feel now to gotta on watched a little bit. Oh yeah it's a man. I think i'm fascinated at how public figure he is and how how insanely protected. He was through this through through through this kind of really wretched behavior that he I mean i you know. I have to finish watching it. But it's it's like you're it's heartbreaking it's heartbreaking and it's also like this door it's like the insight into what hollywood was like in the ninety sky makes you wonder what else was swept under the rug for the benefit of money on people's careers. Money power is is so fucked itself like my anytime. I've lord of the rings. It's column and the ring of power its power. It's like the most obvious. I've said this a million times but like power turns people into horrible monsters. I'm not or it. It shadows horrible monsters. Like one or the other but ballet commented. What you're saying is well documented. Yeah that that's and that's what's troubling. I wonder in your own case. How comfortable are you with your level of of fame. Because it's sort of like when i first started having like writers rooms like working on my idea it take. It took a lot of getting used to being like. This is a weird situation. You sort of becoming an other to your friends. I sure hope they didn't see it that way. But it's hard to not and so as an actor and a creator yourself you get picked from the pack. You know right a- pretty early on freaky geeky. did you ever go like. Oh god. i'm getting some power. This is a dangerous energy to work with. No but i also think I come from a pretty humbling level of Insecurity and depression. So that always gonna levels the playing field for me in those feelings. And i and but wouldn't that make it worse. I mean i'm insecure bouts of of of the blues. I don't wanna say depression. Because people me but i have both of those things and that's what was feeding it. It's like on one hand. You are the shiny guy. I remember being at south by south in the silicon valley posters were everywhere and i remember seeing those pictures of everywhere. I didn't know you. But there's kumail thomas. And i was like holy fuck so i feel like you're you're insecurity or your depression would only make it worse than everybody is sort of hoisting you up again for for the third or fourth time in a major thing in your career. But you're saying it kept you. From believing the hype. I mean for me. Yeah i think it affects everybody differently but I think i also had had the fortune of not not being too overwhelmed with it like a it was always kind of two steps for one step back and that helps me just to analyze things and and You know keep you in perspective. Yeah go ahead. What i was gonna say. It's like when you get off the elevator at the wrong floor. So weird you like. I was saying. I was gonna say that kind of based on you are on freaky geeky which i know everybody loves now but in reality you sort of had your break and then it went away very quickly. Is that what you mean. Like you had a step forward and then you had to back by sort of having to that flesh it but like we weren't binging. Dvd's of shows that show was cancelled. And now it's gone unless you taped it. Was that the feeling like now. You're sort of like. Oh i'm done. I mean i definitely. There was a period. Where i quit and i was trying to figure out what i was going to do. Because i didn't think this was working and and it was more looking back. I attribute it to my own lack of determination and Drive to to to figure out how to succeed in business. It just wasn't That i think that was a big part of it and also having a really shitty agent at the time. Who did believe in me. And didn't have the wherewithal or the common decency to tell me that. She wasn't going to work for me so i just had to figure it out over time that all the jobs i got were because of my connections and and my own resume speaking for itself and and In any case. I you know. Somehow i've i've bounced back from you know those kind of Pitfalls in this business. It's funny though to consider that zach woods to who. I'm friendly swedish boy. He is such a sweet boy. He refused to do the show. Because it's impolite to talk about yourself and that could just be a line. But like i really get the feeling that he means that that he would be too embarrassed to answer questions about himself because when you talk to him he just wants to hear about you. And he's just a giving sweden listener. He's a great great listener. But you and him you know are sort of i say this is an oddball myself short of eyeballs and i feel like at that time in show business. Don't let me put words in your mouth. I feel like you wouldn't let me do that. But it seems like this is before. Martin starr was a type or or zach. Woods was a type. I watch things now and i go. Oh that was his would sipe. They were looking for his act. Let's say you know what i mean. But at the time of freaks and geeks from what. I know the casting of that. They were really casting a wide net because they wanted to find people that like didn't look like they were on tv. Like like we had. Paul kevin arnold's best friend but like you were going even reeler and even more kind of crusty retainer with it. You know what i'm saying and i did that. Feel like a diagnosis. Oh we had one break. But now hollywood doesn't know what to do with people like me. Yeah but thank goodness. I'm so i'm so happy that i didn't get that. Nobody got their talents. And me and i was. You know valuable You know as an asset to anybody You know or anybody realized it really at that time because I don't know who who knows what could have happened. I feel like. I'm pretty perceptive. But you never know there is such good conman especially in this business luminous young age. I usually probably could have been convinced that I dunno it just would have been a different me. And i'm i'm happy the way that i've ended up. It's all been really fortunate to have you know Freaks and geeks party down ntsb And silicon valley is like these really beautiful experiences. That i've gone to have. Yeah you're absolutely right. I will get to it later but The the buddhism. I was very excited to talk to you about buddhism but have you heard it comes up so often on this podcast but you just did it in practice. Which is the perhaps story. I'll jog your memory. Your house burned down. What a tragedy. And he says perhaps and then in the rebel they find gold and they go. You found gold. What a what mitzvah and he goes. Perhaps and then he's audited by the irs and loses everything. Everything is perhaps so. I just said oh. My god navy of hollywood had known had been more open and a diverse in their casting. I i don't just mean in race. I mean in types of people that maybe you could have jumped from one thing together and i hear you saying thank god. That didn't happen because that's another type of prison or potentially a different reality that you wouldn't prefer to yours. Yeah i'm lucky to be living and coherent and aware And present in how. I live my life i'm I've learned a lot that i may not have learned. Had things gone a different way so I love brings us to where we are now. And right did you. He were good to see you and good to see you before we get your origin story. I was just going to ask you if you always wanted to be an actor audition for freaky geeky before this. Which i thought was actually really great. I say actually because you were so young and you kind of think it's online because it'll be like this funny awkward audition but you're getting these laughs. You know your lines. You're giving a delivery and anna take which is really really cool but before we get to that. Let me ask you questions. Maybe you haven't been asked you can pick. What have you ever almost died. Have you ever seen a ufo. Have you ever seen a ghost. The first two. Yes the second one now. We're all we're off to the races baby. You know me tell me a which one do you think is better. We'll we'll do a stand ups at which one is which Well you want to build up. Actually like ufo's were we now know they exist. The government has released information. That it's pretty clear. I i was driving home ten fifteen years ago. Maybe and i just and it was late at night And i hadn't had anything to drink or smoke or anything. So i was clear headed. I was just heading home. Know like eleven or twelve. And i was blocks away from maybe a mile away from home and i just saw a thing hover not far over the ground. Just kind of above the headlight above the electrical lines and above the trees. And it was. You know maybe hundred fifty hundred hundred feet up in the air and it just kind of floated with my clark for a little while and i i saw. I recognize what it was just. I couldn't explain in any way. And i still don't know what it was and i just kinda thought. Oh this is something on. Never tell anybody ever where were you. Where was oh. I was at the time living westwood in westwood in westwood california subject of los angeles. Well yeah it was like the heart of the city like it was just a neighborhood. That is wild. Did you go like cold. Was it like a terrifying feeling or were you. Just sort of you're martin star about it. You said this is crazy. This is really crazy. One will ever know about this. Tell anybody there's nobody was following. You know it was ahead of me. So technically i was following it but not by nature of me wanting to date if the road bed forked and it went to the right. You would not have followed it. Oh no it. I was not trying to hang out with them and i just kind of disappeared. It went up in disappeared But there's good a sorry martin one last question. What did it look like. It looked it was just a light. And and i remember the outline of a circle and that was kind of relieved there were it was like what it it almost felt like. I could've imagined it it felt so clearly Out of the textbook of what. A ufo yet looks like that. I probably imagined it. But i didn't. I know that i didn't Well after this. I'm going to tell no one that this either should you. We've had people come on the podcast. Tell you if oh stories. And they're like. I've told that story before. And the guy that told the story did a podcast. And then that part of the podcast just didn't record like stories like that like it just dropped from the recording which we go. I find super freaky. That didn't happen on. I wanted to be clear that didn't happen to our podcast but against told me that had happened to another person said secondhand. What was the book. We're going to recommend ethical communion and. Yeah just it's where we all get our image of the traditional grey alien alienist from the cover of communion. I didn't read it. I did watch fire in the sky over and over i was a ufo. Kid has very into ufo's so we're going to say it's just an incredible just like the vivid way that he paints. The story is incredible. There's a there's a moment. I mean like the book itself. One of the key experiences that they keep circling back to is when an A ufo hovered over their house in upstate new york or maybe it was in connecticut out in the wilderness And in their cabin. There's just this crazy. Light that comes in and floods the whole place and years later he still going to therapy dealing with this. And at some point he decides to ask the other people who were in the house of they saw and they all just go. Yeah and then no one had ever talked about it before he asks he asks his son and and what. They end the way that they asked his son. was so interesting to me and it wasn't. Did you see something strange it was. Did you have any weird dreams while you were at the cabin. Do you remember when we went there two years ago or whatever and he said oh i had these dreams of all these little doctors taking the away into their ship daylight and it like that wine stuck with me. i like. i still get goosebumps. Just thinking about that yeah It's so uncertain while i saw that movie. The fourth guide. Did you see the fourth kind. It's not no. It's not a great movie. But i thought it was really one of these. Ufo movies that supposedly real footage. But it's like before it's like blair witch style. But i went in thinking it was real and for like a month. I was terrified that i was going to be abducted and it was just like the most compelling terrifying story and then i did stand up about it and somebody is one of the great things about doing santa's like journaling in public and somebody was just like that's not real. It's like it's not a it's it's fake. Move and i was so happy but now communion is a true story. I mean it's not. It's not a piece of fiction. He's a fiction writer but he that's a nonfiction book that he wrote and he was abducted he tells stories about how he was abducted and lau. It's crazy it's crazy it's crazy. He also talks about how he doesn't particu. He didn't want to be a part of this community like he was. Yeah he didn't he didn't really want to share a story and and what followed is you know you know what was to be expected. I suppose which he became the shining light. He became a successful not not seen as crazy person. Who is telling the same story that people are often condemned for or Outcast yeah And it's also like you know now now. We know things that we didn't know before they've they've declassified documents where all the stuff that we had heard stories about are clearly drew i mean all of them but but a lot of stuff that you know and it's and i don't know who knows maybe all this is a distraction. It's all just like a big ruse to keep us from paying attention to what's really going on well that's interesting. I always thought that they dropped all that stuff. While we were the most distracted. We've ever been like that's been over the same way. Yeah i was like we could care. Less sits like page seven news. People didn't read it and i was like. How did you not hear the this happen. Yeah documents were you gonna say. I didn't read this specific documents. I read some stories about it but what was the big takeaway if you don't mind. This isn't really this can. This is now not ask jeeves. As martin won't do you remember something really blowing your mind. I know the fighter jets follow them. They see the three dots that travel at ninety degree angles. And all that stuff. But that's now just like confirm their stuff flying around that we don't know what it is. Yeah that's fucking crazy. Yeah i'd i obviously haven't released everything but the dave released enough so that it's obvious that You know assuming all this is true that that we're that we're not alone. Which i i don't feel one way or the other about it. Because to be honest. I feel like if i feel like you have to be aware that we can't be alone like just the law probability. Well there's a certain level of narcissism to be like we're the only planet it feels like we're gonna treat this planet it is like we're the only ones we just take in consume and concealment consume. And that's what's going to be the downfall of our civilisation and it's it's what i would consider bad. Religion is very narcissistic to. It's just like we're the center of the universe. Like i mean. Remember you'd be killed. If you said the earth revolved around the sun. You know that speaks to the human narcissism that can be very helpful. I mean if you want. Erect a monument or get a civilization going. It can be helpful to have a slightly narcissistic mythology for a time. You know what i'm saying. I don't know there's been some interesting articles about like if you really want to change the world you want large groups of people believing the same mythology whether or not it's like flawed or whatever but that's what really can move things forward in big ways i'm talking about. We're watching it happen right now. I mean the the drumpf is a of it. All is is crazy and that's just a lot of people you know they've the the there's a group of our group at our country that all believes in in certain things together and they've collected those people and just said hey let's all point our energy direction and that's working whereas the majority of us seemed to be coherent and president and and believe in democracy and want democracy to prevail but our thoughts and ideas are a little bit more scattered. That's that's executives. Say it's even though. In general we have the same feelings about most of these things like we should all just leave each other the fuck alone as long as we're not hurting anybody and let people believe and feel happy in their own way in their own body and respect other human beings and in turn that you know that comes from respecting yourself and i think that's fundamentally a big law in the in the other. Yeah jack there isn't a self respect aspect of it it's community it's community identity so you don't really have. Who am i. it's a who are we. If we succeed. I succeed right and and you think you're buying a ticket to the winning show the big show. Yes yeah like a golden man. You know what i mean. Like a golden man. That's like literally. I know i've had people in my family. I was talking to them about the cova test and they were like everybody that takes. That test is positive. And i was like i've taken that twelve times for work and i've always been negative and the wh what's that's not the interesting part. The interesting part is the millisecond. After i say that they just completely move for half yeah. It's unbelievable it really is what we do to ourselves. We lie to ourselves. I'm saying to myself we do. As part of being a human you build a belief system and you can sort of have a difficult time listening to the other side so we all do it but when you see it happening in front of you i also had a family member. Say they i. They had covid. And i was like. I think you've covered and they were like no. I have diarrhea. I have a cough. And i have a fever but i don't have any covid symptoms. That's a quote. And i was like i don't know here's another quote. I'm on a ventilator. Doctors keep saying every doctor just says sir you have your nose. Art symptoms of covert. I also remember the same prisons at a. It doesn't make any sense you can. You can go to a liquor store but you can't go to church and i. It just drove me crazy for weeks. After i was like the way they moralize the issues. Like you could say you can go to the grocery store but you can't go to a strip club like you could flip it. But you're seeing almost like christopher nolan memento style how we want a certain confirmation and then you surround yourself with that confirmation regardless of any any fact any polar ice cap melting or any. Ufo's that just doesn't fit in to so many of our world views so of course we're not going to read the. I know that's kind of a weird jump. But i'm just saying we have our reality and we're very protective of it and then a group reality is very very powerful. It can be. I mean these are the aspects. These are the egyptians. I i don't mean to put those groups down i'm just saying these are unified. They died we're here forever. That's civilization failed and we obviously are so funny. I was just reading in the bible. We always side with jesus. Were never questioning are we the romans like you're never going like are we the people killing the prophets. We always think we we have the hubris we end. The blind narcissistic believed that. We're the meek carpenter from from nazareth. We're like we're him as we do. You know what i'm saying like. We read history however we want and we go like of course. We're the good guys. We watch star wars and we never go. Waiter we the death star. We never ever question. Am i gonna. I mean that's the question. You should watch that movie. And say i'm ghalem. How do i become fratto. That's that's what you should be saying. Sorry to keep harping on lord of the rings. No i mean. I think you might be right. You might be going to resist doing the impression everybody can do. Go love pearl. How sound curl. I do them singing. Which is which is the key to mel run and for us. It's pressure you got it. It was a hard knock life. But i worked precious into it so i feel pretty good today. It was great. I can hang up today as a win for my ego. Okay you and then that's amazing And then you almost died twice. I think the next time it happens. it's done. i've had my to hear a third of a cat. Third time's a charm Yeah i guess. So i One time on my way to work while we were shooting party down. I had the misfortune of driving the speed limits. Or maybe a little bit over. Don't tell the police and on the freeway and on the other side of the the divider The cars going the other direction. There was There was a track that hadn't properly it was like one of those trucks that carries mirrors on its sides has like that kind of a frame shape. Got from the back because it holds Glass or mirror like straight up or you know a little tilted inwards toward the center and And a a piece of that wasn't secured properly. And i saw in the air. What looked like a newspaper. I have to assume that this is how it happened. Because i didn't see the truck. I'm just assuming that this is what it came off of because no in no other world with this thing have flown off of just a car Because it was too big but a mirror probably like four by four foot mirror flew into the air off a car going the other direction and it looked like a piece of newspaper flying in the air and then as it got closer i realized what it was not only did i start to break and it destroyed. My front end smash smash my windshield headed. Hit me hit me at us had been going a little bit faster. It clued have cut my head. I could have been a foot higher in the air when i hit And the way the angle at which it hit my my front bumper. It cut through my license plate like a knife to butter like my aluminum license plate. Which granted isn't that strong but it just sliced right through that and then the whole thing shattered. I would put my neck and a license plate. The license plate is more durable than a neck. You know maybe a little bit. Yeah just a little bit. Unless you're robocup so. I mean your point is valid is what i'm saying like sure. It's not that hard to cut through license plate but you are not a licensed play. This is a terrifying story. Getting to the phone but still like this thing is moving. At least probably when i hit a still even with air resistance and everything. It's probably going to thirty forty miles an hour flying in the air and then i'm going at least fifty five sixty eve after slowed down to hit this thing so would have you know that force would have been. Wow far more than my body could have handled And the right angle. It would slice through my windshield as opposed to just smashing which is what ended up happening. It hit my hit my bumper then shattered onto my hood of my car. Leaving all the dance. Like massive like cuts into the hood of my car and then my windshield was completely shattered. It looked like a snowstorm. The moment hit my windshield. Because if you're not familiar with how that shatterproof glass works it's two pieces of glass Sandwiching a piece of plastic. So that when it when the whole thing when something hits it it doesn't break apart. It doesn't disassemble all that shattered a sticks to the sheet of plastic basically and so all these little shards of glass. Come off of off of that as it breaks and so it was just like completely white in my car as all these tiny little. Shards of glass were everywhere on the inside. If i'm hearing you read a busted in on you yeah. It all came in on me on my lap. My the passenger seat was covered in what looked like snow. But it was a little pieces of glass and then and i like was in shock for a second and realize i needed that. My car was now smoking almost immediately. It had it had I think busted through and destroy my. Don't know some part of my engine My mic cooling system or something and And and then. I looked over to my right because i now couldn't see through my windshield and i needed. I knew i needed to get off for that reason. But i started to pull over to the right. I was a mile. Maybe from work is starting to look over my right shoulder. And i see two guys in a car maybe fifty feet behind me and i just see them both mouth at the same time holy shit as they like watched this happen. I look this way crazier that. I've really giving credit because i was really just internalizing everything. And i was just like i gotta get through this i have the bigger outweighs like did not die on the freeway while cars around me or go and sixty miles an hour and i catch see that well but somehow i drove all the way to work and And our transport department on party down was the best. I think it was our upn who just took care of it. I went into work like frazzled. And they were like holy shit like what. The fuck happened But i also had to go in and work and i went into work and i was like let me know when the guys are here to deal with my windshield. Because they were like we'll call. We'll call a company to deal with your windshield. Because i had no idea what to do. I'd never so there. Are these companies where you just call them. And they'll bring a new windshield out and replace it there Which didn't i didn't. It didn't make sense to me that that was the thing. But it's like oh of course of course because what's your windshields broken. You can't judge a place to get it right shield but you made it to work. You drove the car. And what episode were you shooting you remember. I do not remember. I just remember. I think we were at the what's it called The veteran's hall it's near hollywood and highland. It's near the hollywood bowl But i think it's called the veteran's hall But it's a it's a place. I've shot before we. They shot some Freaks and geeks there and we had our wrap party for recent weeks there. So you're really coming to this. Is your life sort of like. Did i die because this is very very Tour of my life here. That is wild. What was what was the other one. I can't believe you have to. Yeah this and they're equally as insane The other one was i was. I was on a family trip In florida where. My dad and i had moved when i was fourteen or fifteen and then i moved back when i was sixteen. We're back to california my mom But later years later in my like mid twenties. I went back to visit him and Other family out there and we all went on a c. Do triplet we all jumped on Little jetskis and wrote around And there was the bay that we were on the way it was shaped was. There's like this little channel that leads out to the water. And then right maybe a hundred yards away from where that channel exits into the water. There's an island that kind of covers your exit entrance into this channel seat at you like to really get out to the to the water so the gulf of mexico you have to go around the little island and so we did that. We we went around the this island which takes fifteen twenty minutes. And you're just you know. See doing around and really given cd's a A commercial here not intentionally. It's just what i call them but We were out there and then my cousin. Mike looks up in the sky and see. There's a storm coming from the mainland towards us so in order to get back in to safety get back through the channel and like be safe and not get stuck in the storm. It was a pretty big storm coming. We would have to leave immediately. Get back and so as we're going back as were driving our jetskis back. The swells of the ocean like the storm really starts to come in. We left too late and and the swells are without exaggeration. Ten feet high. So you would. We would hit the top of a swell in your on your jet ski. And then you would fall down the way that the water was moving and the no wake signs and the general signs of For aquatic vehicles and things that although signs disappeared under the water so these swells just like covered up all of that couldn't see any of the signs so we didn't really know where we were going Most of the time on the water was just hitting your face like completely Horizontal just beads of water hitting. Your face made it very difficult to drive and then An my dad's a cdu got kelp stuck in the motor because we were running in shallow water. You couldn't really tell And so he got out he like somehow made it to a somewhat safe area where he could stand in the water and the waves weren't so crazy. We all sat. There and i was watching lightning. Strike maybe a hundred yards away from us. My god massive. Just like shoots of lightning. And i was like. This is how we're going to doesn't here. We're all gonna die. We're all gonna get struck by lightning and he second and my cousin. Mike didn't look back. He he dipped out and he was gone down now. It's another herb. He knew he knew what he knew. What he he knew best how we should have approached this and so he just like he hopes that we were all following him. But then this happened and And so i was watching. My dad put his hand inside an engine to get killed out of the back of this. See do while. i'm also watching giant lightning bolts. Strike the water not far from us. Somehow we made it back like we just kinda kept truck it after that made it back but that was real intense. Did you go into like a high adrenaline. Slow motion sort of movies. Like if you were gonna shoot this would you do any of those effects to help us understand how you felt No i weirdly. I'm at peace with death as crazy as this might I i think. I feel pretty good about the life that i've lived and you know granted. I've made mistakes like anybody else. But i think. I've learned in grown from from from everything that's happened in my life. And i i feel okay. If i were to die contractor and salinity. You're in your twenties. Yeah i went. Skydiving pretty young. And i went bungee jumping as well pretty young. I just remember. Everybody screamed. And i was at peace like i think when it comes down to it like i still get a my my heart races and there's definitely adrenaline but there's part of me that just like just kind of click into awareness and it's maybe as present does i ever am as in those moments. I think you're in good company there. We we always talk about the guy that did the free solo. And i was like well. He's meditating like the those high adrenaline moments bring you into the intense capital eternal. Now you know. And that's what makes them so fun and that has to be what people are going after skydiving bungee jumping and if years sort of familiar with that place. I'm not surprised that it's calming to you. So you're not screaming as you're bungee jumping now yeah. I didn't have any of the experiences i've told you about. I didn't scream during crazy. looking back. there was no effect most of the time. I was probably perfectly quiet. Well so on brand. Do i have a brand. It's shutting up again. It's always a good move. Lots more so even even skydiving. How old were you when you do that. mid twenty s. I did that with a couple of friends. And my buddy ryan as he jumped out he just said we were all flying tandem. So there's some dudes hell this right in the back in the middle of your back which is awesome. Nothing cooler than that. That's me joking. That's called so ryan. I the guy and his back and and And just before he jumped out he just looked at both of us Any screamed see you in hell. Awesome way you could could jump as thing. I thought he was going to say. Don't do it you know. don't do this outside. I know. I've reverence that many times when i think about it all the time. Dane go had a bit where he's like. I go to the airport. If someone's reading the paper. And i wait for them to notice a. They're waiting for their flight and when they look at me. Whisper don't get on the plane and like what. I like about jokes like that. First of all. I don't think it's true. But second of all. I think it's so funny that the human animal is sort of deep down. There's a lot of superstition that people late and superstition that if someone does go it's in bridesmaids too. I had a dream. This plane crashed the woman next to kristen wig. Who's invested. del. Mar her writing partner. I forget her name. Forgive me and she goes. you're in it. You're in the dream like those sorts of things are so freaky to us that But there's i feel like even be it said. Don't jump off the plane you would have been like. How does he know. I would have done it. But but i mean. I also think those things are funny in story funny in in narrative but in real life and it's part of like what i really dislike about the way. I think you know this new. I think there's a trend in comedy. And i would put that in quotes if you could see me but I don't think it's funny when people just fuck with other people like there's kids who are like blowing on people's ears and then like pretending it's not them and like what's happening like throwing something up in the air that hit somebody and then they pretend that like someone in another aisle is throwing candy at them or something and it's just not you couldn't even better than you i. Just don't i don't find it. I think it's lazy. I think it's it's lazy. It's very mean spirited as left and also mean spirited but like you could do better than fisher you can you can you can do. That's not performance. Art is tricking people. Your oil sales. You're doing a better. You're a douche. I have a bit about this where it's about you make fun of me for being gullible and i'm like i don't understand somebody. This was real. They said i'm adopted. And i was like i didn't know and they said psych. You're so gullible and i was like. How does this work. You lied to me. I believe you. I'm the asshole that was the bit but i've never my whole life. Reality is so confusing and overwhelming to just have these mischievous. I don't even like giving it the word. Mr mischief sounds like fun going around. Yeah i yeah. That's why i out. I don't think danes bit as is true but there are people that do those things for real. And i've always hated that feeling though the putting your hand in warm water at the sleepover like what are you doing like why you try. You're trying to get some their pants. Like this is your entertainment. It's like lord of the flies we. We should be helping each other help me. Don't make me pants. It's very like mean girls i know. Oftentimes it's voice. I think that are making these says very mean boys point a new praise here mean boys indeed. Yeah absolutely so you always do you remember achieving and equanimity with death. I mean that seems pretty exceptional. I remember i cried for two weeks. I was fifteen. Yeah just i think it was close to turning sixty and i cried for two weeks when i realized just for my own like i had just an awareness A new awareness that when we when we die it's really quite final that all of these You know estimations or you know Stories fantasies about Any afterlife is wild. Some of it might be a valuable to the psyche. I for recognized that it wasn't true that in while energy may continue on and this is my own belief. You're welcome to believe what ever you want. But this is when i feel like i came to terms with death was recognizing for myself that when when i die. That's it like a like a plant. The dies in you know at the front yard of the you know where i grew up. That was it. That's the last time you saw that plant. And that that was at that point was dead and that fell from it would carry on and create new life and that is to be the energy of that plant continuing on The strawberry that had dropped the year before may re sprout and find. Those seeds may grow a new strawberry. Plant that you'll see in the coming years but that initial plan is gone and and that was valuable for me so i was just curious. It's a very note worthy time of your life. Two weeks of of morning was it triggered by something. I think part of it. I think i had a general sadness when i moved back. Really missed my dad in florida And i and i know that there were there was i cried quite a bit kind of dismissing having my dad around He was just. You know my best bud and Not to play therapist. But that's kind of death there. There was this person now. it's a change. Death is change and this is a change. Yes and that is true. That was a big change. Was the the death of relationship. That i had known in the way that i had known it. Prior for most of my life he just wasn't there and it was really difficult for me to cope with And i and that probably somehow triggered. But i just remember falling asleep Every night crying thinking about this thing about this revelation that i'd had about death And i think prior to that. I had i had cried going to sleep. Because i miss my damn. It's funny man. That's not funny a that's very sad but it's funny that this happened at fifteen we talk about male initiation sometimes on the show it comes up. I'm going to say something stupid. But in the movie finding nemo when nimmo leaves the ocean. And he's in the tank with these other fish and he's he's becoming. He's he's going on his journey his little hero's journey they do an initiation rite. And what did they rename him. Which is one of the big things of initiation. And they name him. It's one of the weird kind of dark disney things. They rename him bait and what it. Why name nemo shark bait. It's because he has to own his mortality. I know it sounds like maybe i'm grasping at straws. But i'm like that to me shows that around this age especially for men because people say this before but menstruation Does some of the work for women. I won't say all of the work but men need or some people believe that men need a certain type of humiliation meaning. A humbling meaning A recognition of your death being a recognition that you're not all powerful and eternal and you you had that happen right around the time that some tribes in some cultures would have done it too little martin for his good and then you're not screaming as you're bungee jumping and people would be like yeah. He was initiated he. He understands his permanence and he understands. The plant is gone like it seems very You did it to yourself had happened to you. It was like this sort of morbid or maybe dark gift. Does that make any sense to you. Yeah i definitely feel like it was a gift Looking back at the time. I you know a lot of difficult. Journeys are hard in. The moment proved to be so immensely valuable later in life. Yeah that's the. Joseph cambell cloudy says the the treasure you seek is in the cave. You fear to go and like so many of us. I obviously this isn't new ground. Were in denial of death. And i myself Like you have found a lot of value and we're getting to buddhism a little early but this is siddhartha leaving the temple and he sees the old person than he sees the dying person you know. She's the sick person and he was basically a good metaphor or maybe literally true. I'm not sure but a good metaphor for the psyche. You're in the palace your with your parents. You have everything you want but then something starts to wake you up and what wakes you up is the idea that everything is impermanent that everything is on fire that the cup is already broken. The plant is already dead. martin is already dead. I think you. And i might be some of the weird people in the world that i never feel more alive and try to do it every episode then when i remind guests that we're going to die that that we're floating in infinity and we're only here for a little time but i can feel it bring the heir to the skin on my arms kind of brings me into my body and it doesn't seem like a flaw in the system So you mentioned trying to remember who was. It was jason segel. I think was it. Yeah neil degrasse. He mentioned neil degrasse. Tyson is like i feasted on the fauna of this earth and it only seems appropriate. That when i i i will become the fodder for the earth to feast on and he sort of had this idea of a cyclical. But that's that's somebody that's dropped the narcissistic trip of like how can martin not be any mean but in awareness of of a bigger picture that you're not the center of the universe that you're that you are the universe and you're just playing the part of a part of the universe and when martin goes life continues this energy continues but the i grew up in the christian tradition. I now sort of a little bit of an ego trip to be like. Pete goes to the afterlife and pete gets he. He performs an a comedy club in every joke. Kills pretty much. What i would have believed but i was denying myself. Some of the round says he's like when you make peace with death. You free up energy that you were previously using to deny half and you can use that energy to actually enjoy life. Also in taoism he who find his way in the morning can gladly go in the evening. And i think that might be. The point of life is to kind of figure out how to balance were alive. But we won't always be instead of doing what so many people do which is like. I'm just not going to think about that. I'm not going to think about that. I'm not going to think about. Oh everybody that takes cova tested positive. I'm not gonna think know like i'm fine. This legacy will continue waving its flag forever. It's it's way with all fears. Really most fear breaks down to death That's why you know like stage fright. Once you recognize that it's okay 'cause i had pretty severe stage fright for a bit and i would perform the blue wristband and i would wrap and While while we performed. I would only things rhyme with corn husks. That's cheating yes. We were the core. How'd you know we were the cornhuskers. Forgive me with my day. we Every perform. I'd be afraid that i'd forget some part of the words that i had written and You know my Contribution to this group. And i once i you know i mean i still struggle with it but when i acknowledged that it doesn't matter than that it that the world isn't going to end if i make a mistake here and the audience won't even be that upset about like it's happened and we restarted a song before And it just. It isn't that it isn't as bad as you imagine it is and it's the same with death like death. It's a terrible thing it's It's actually the most at peace you'll ever be when when that occurs and i don't mean that in some sort of lake Suicidal kind of manner. I just what i mean by that is accepting it part of the journey. I think you're totally right. Allows you to enjoy the rest of the journey because you aren't focused on this terrible ending to life that otherwise is great. It's the worry about a terrible ending. And your depiction of it as terrible. That actually makes the journey less enjoyable. That's right and the experience less enjoyable and so you can be more present and happy in a in a life well lived if if you're not fearing the inevitable and if you're aware of the inevitable and we've said this on the show before i don't know if i cream would taste good if you knew you were attornal. I don't think it's the engine. Behind all of it. A good moment is imbued with more richness. Because you know that this is fleeting. I think actually can make technicolor. Not in a dark. Yeah i'm eating ice cream now. But i'm dead later but in like holy shit. This is what's happening now and you appreciate it. It was the last. I love frozen grapes And the last frozen grape. I savor a little bit more at the end of the bag. And that's feel like that's a little bit to your point. That's exactly my point and if you had an infinite bag of grapes. I don't think you'd give a shit about grapes. I think i what i'm saying. I think we're saying the same thing is it's not a flaw in the system. I might have more of a dynamic of this is this is for us like the universe's for us and there's like a consciousness behind it that that might be somewhere. We differ. i'm not sure. But i don't think it's a flaw that we're not just like eternally orgasm ing. I also don't think the point of life is to eternally orgasm. You mentioned mistakes that you've made. I also made mistakes. I've had heartbreaks. I've had depressions. I've had times where i was drinking too much. And all these weird things right and that was weird. That was the cave. I didn't want to go into. That's where these unlikely treasures found in in humiliation in being broken in being a frayed in being sad. Like you're talking about these two weeks but that was like that's like a transformative experience in your life two weeks of mourning and then how how many years i mean that's a pretty. That's a pretty sweet achievement. Yeah i was lucky to to go through that experience early somewhat early in life so that i could think help understand something that you know. Perhaps you never fully understand but it gave me a indian site in a window through which to see something that i perhaps would have avoided for a lot longer. It's really interesting. I wonder if you don't think this is funny. I've i've haven't done stage once but it's a little too dark. I don't know that might be the problem. But the because this is very short i go. You're afraid to die. You're afraid to die. My nan died. She couldn't even speak english. You can't do. What my nanna dan. That idea that no matter. How frail or old or new basically week you are. They have to do everybody. Everybody dies. think about historical figure. They did it. You're in great company. You're doing something that literally everyone does. And you're so scared. That's why i try to bring it into my nanna. You didn't laugh which is fine but thanks sorry. I just felt that. I didn't really have anybody. I called all my grandparents died. It's fake nanna. But but that. I i to me and she died. Just i don't know how to feel anymore but actually take in that. I was like everybody. Everybody does it. So it's okay like it's not just you a. Why does martin have to everybody's doing it. Everybody's still at everybody's doing come on everybody's doing cow. Everybody's doing it. i mean it it. It gives me a little bit of comfort. Talk about that. Everybody doesn't the most. I don't know the biggest cowards in the world they also they traversed that huge leap and like you you can find a little bit more brave bravery than the biggest coward in the world. Who knows. I don't know. Maybe i'm talking to my out my ass. I was curious watching your key. Geeky edition did that kid. No he wanted to be an actor. How old were you when you audition for freaky. I i grew up in. La and my mom is an actress. And i think Finding a finding an acting class that i went to in culver city led by kevin. Mcdermott of called centerstage. La i i. That's what i really found my Drive and passion for For for acting and and that was like it was improv and character character development and scene study. It just kind of covered the gamut and and especially with improv. I really enjoyed comedy and drama. Just connecting the connection part of it is just so fun like finding something in a relationship in a moment. That's just honest and real and and putting yourself in a in a it was therapy for me. It was it was just pure therapy. And and that's what i knew. I wanted to do this. But i don't think and i i don't think then or now. Do i have any sort of expectation that the only goals that i generally have are not business oriented their creatively motivated. And it's mostly to do things i haven't done before i enjoy I enjoyed reaching outside my comfort zone to to find new therapy. Which is always kind of what improv was is when you really let yourself go. And you're just freefalling. He finds something unique that that's the most enjoyable experiment in life. It's funny the again. It's not funny but connection. I was at somebody's. I was listening to podcasts. On being krista tippett's podcast and somebody was talking about how isolation is worse than heart disease. It's worse than smoking. it's worse than drinking. It's worse than obesity. As as a killer like literally when we talk about the universe as one thing i i like to really try and think of as this as as one thing i say it almost every episode but alan watts said you didn't come into the world you came out of the world kind of like those strawberries you were saying. Meaning you didn't like put a quarter in the machine like show up in the video game like you are a product of an undulating creation and What was i saying. Oh so like finding relationship is like one of the most healthy things we can do. And i find acting. I've heard you talk about being on the set being on the silicon valley said being on. I have to think party down was the same. Like just like a like a group like some friends and you share a passion and then i don't. This is a leading question. But like i have to thank you. Achieve a certain degree of presence playing seen over and over and really almost holding your breath looking at your partner. You've seen partner to see if there's something new they're giving you to respond to is like bungee jumping is like meditating. Is something that hacks us into again. The eternal now is d. Feel that way Yes what if you're gonna. It's i mean sure if that's what you wanna believe. I think i think the the the best set. I've yet the best experience working i've had and freaks and geeks was amazing and that really set the bar very high In so many ways but there was a collaborative nature to party down. That really broke down a lot of the kind of negative tropes and comedy the competition. And the you know. I think stand up is a Is where a lot of well. It's i think it's where a lot of the negative aspects of comedy really thrived because because there is a lot of ego and it is about individual. It isn't about group. Success and with improv. It is very much use succeed on the other on the shoulders of your fellow improvisers period. If you cannot succeed without them so thinking that you are better than is only going to cause you all to fail And and Hardy down We had so much fun and there was so much There was such a wonderful nature of contribution and growth in what we were doing that everything. We stepped into every seen every episode every moment we just wanted to make it better and And everyone is so talented in that group that it was just. You didn't wanna leave. Set like stopped working. And you just stick around because that was the most fun place even if you're just like hey what if he did this like this is just a funny idea. I don't know maybe it'll maybe it'll mean something to you maybe won't bun but to have geniuses working around you throwing out little tidbits that you get to now play with whether it's a direct you know action or moment or dialogue for you or if it's just something they're doing that you get to witness It's such a fun. That was that was one of the best you sets that i've ever been on an in silicon valley also incredible. I'm in. i'm in that that group of of men and women are so talented. So i'm not surprised that you had that level report a friend of mine rates on ted lasso and she was telling me that like it's the only staff That when they're done they just keep hanging out. I was like well. You can tell you. Watch that show and you're like there's a. There's a homey warmth to it where you say. Your goals aren't financially driven. I mean this is posted on my computer says because joy matters. I'm trying to make choices that are for joy my joy for other people's joy and not just almost every time i pick something i say like i don't wanna make this just because it's something we can make. I wanna make it. Because it's something i have to make like. It's literally getting out of bad. Like i really wanna see this through in do it but like you can feel that I i watched more of party down than i did. A silicon but it was like in that show. It felt like a team. It felt like a bunch of people making the other people look really good and we all know each one of you when you're let off the leash. I'm thinking of jane lynch in knocked up for example you can let jane lynch off deletion. Just not the leash. You know what i'm saying. You can let her go wild in forty year old virgin. I'm sorry forty year old. She's so great a match and so on. So these are real annihilated. These are real like flame thrower. Take down the whole field of corn kind of people and they're they are making adam scott. Look good as there smoking pot and like picking their moments so that really showed in that show and is a really important show for people like me that moved to la and like wanted to know what the hustle was like did. Did you feel that it spoke to your experience. I you're you've mentioned the word drive a couple of times. It's very interesting to me how you navigated show business in these early stages of your career and trying to balance on a ski do. I'm okay to die with this business. That can be very aggressive. Like what what. What in that area interests you I mean i think the business disobey is disappointing. A whole thing just because it's not it's not my thing i think i put that from the beginning. I decided that wasn't going to be a focal point. And i think i've gotten better at acknowledging it and embracing it as part of this journey but It'll always be the least important aspect of this to me And when you say that you don't just mean oh sorry go ahead s. something earlier i when when i was given the script for party down it said martin star type which didn't make sense to me either in the way that i read it and maybe i just read that part differently than than they had. 'cause i hadn't done a part like that before like that was an a type of character. That was an archetype that had in any way stepped foot into and so You know to that was so fun for me but that was i. I guess i had achieved something at that point. That people were like i. This is the guy. I want to be in this thing. But but we don't think we can get him like that was a that was their attitude. I i guess because they never reached out to me and my agent was like. Hey i read the script and says your name in it But they didn't reach out and so Do you like it. We're going to should we pursue this and And i read it. And i was like. Yeah this is great and lizzy was already attached and I think i. I knew adam a little bit But obviously that cast is incredible That's so funny. Usually after you've heard this that if it says pete holmes type and i read for it you don't get it. I mean that's the cliche i've heard is like they think they want you but then when they see you do it so the fact that you got it still speaks is still Is still a great thing. Because it's not a guarantee. Yeah i don't think. I had auditioned than but yes i i if if they had let me audition convince them otherwise luckily and they just Lucky for me But no it's it's it's it's fortunate because it was for me. It was getting to work with so many incredibly talented people in every department but also to get to do something that i hadn't really done before and explore new world and explore new character That was really fun. I was just. I'm afraid maybe gotten this before. It is interesting that freaks geeks and party down to me. The way that i consume them was all after the fact like it was like Party down got like a a wider. Release i got on dvd or something. So you have these shows that sort of like i i. Don't i can't speak to their popularity when they were in the air but they definitely got more popular years later. So is that is that true. I mean did you see like unfolding like. Hey you're the guy from freaks and geeks even those ten years later. I mean part precincts eggs had. It took a little while but we are. I think judd and paul knew how to cultivate the fan base to like keep. Keep them energized. 'cause they really tried to rally to get the show on for another season or two You know after we had been cancelled and And there were a lot of fans out there that were even willing to drive to los angeles for you know to meet us and hang out and we did that. I think five years later or ten years later and end. I didn't realize the kind of popularity that we have. But we did I think we went from nbc to like abc family or something and then to net flix. And we've kind of bounced around and so new. A new audience found each time And and you know they get They put a little some sort of advertising behind that and when the dvd's came out. That was another resurgence. But there are these. Like reminder is where people go. Oh that's right. This show was gray. I'm gonna watch it again. And i'll pass it on to someone else so that the the appreciation for just spreads But most of all. I just feel really fortunate to have been a part of things like like freaks and geeks and party down that are looking back still highly regarded and still really appreciated by viewers. Because they have to connect with. I think the the heart that went into making it is felt through every frame of of each of those shows. and you you know. Even though there's a lot of like heart wrenching difficult stories to watch and both of them they're like they're so real and authentic and and human. Yeah and that's that's yeah. I really related to the best. Comedy comes from totally well lizzy character in a marriage that she likes shouldn't be and like she got married too young. I was watching mad when i was married. Too young it's like almost like hard to look at. But it was so good. And now when i watch it later. It's even richer to me. Would you tell me a little bit about that icon seen. I always think that you acted out. Judd's life knowing judd. I that he would come home. Make grilled cheese watch tv. And the i think earmark of of judd as a person is jet show of course Jet appetite comparable. He's a he's a fan of comedy. Like still i try to talk shit with jetta million times and so i'd start with some show that i really didn't like and i just want to sit on it and he'd always be like i like to those like it always see what was good about it. 'cause still kind of is that kid so would you tell me a little bit about the day that you shot that scene. I mean you're laughing for those of you. That don't know it's a scene freaks and geeks where your character comes. Home alone makes grilled cheese and then watches garry shandling on tv. And you're dying laughing. You can't watch it without dying laughing because your laughter so contagious. But i'm like. I've been on those sets where you have to cry. A fake laugh seems just as hard to me to do with that convincingly i mean. I like to think that i was in touch enough to to be able to do that. If i had had to without the help that they gave me i unfortunately i forget his name but one of the writers judd had come in and just do all of his dirtiest jokes wasn't event. I think some of garry shandling stuff. They'd played a little bit to me but it wasn't. It didn't strike a chord with me. The way that just some guy off camera screaming profanities to a fifteen year old kid so well and it was just a lot of like the grossest like if there was a recording which i guess they're probably is after they were recording audio So you know He was just off camera just shouting the dirtiest jokes and that was it and and i certainly leaned into it but i do remember if being an easy day to go to work. All i had to do was laugh. When i wanted to laugh but it so i thought was have you watched. Have you watched it as a grownup. It's so good. I don't watch a lot of Watch i don't really care. It doesn't doesn't even now. It's not the most valuable thing. I can do with my time as watch something that said i think as a as a whole i do appreciate a lot of the things that i've gotten a lot better at not being so critical of of myself But nothing's ever perfect. I'm i've grown to be more and more okay with that but it is kind of a hard thing because i there is You know there's a sense of finality as a as a as an artist is ever growing. Yeah something something that. I watched them as like. Oh that's how. I would have done that then in then accent but i think different person and different artists. Now i think what makes it different in what made me ask is because you're so young it's it is a different person united. Mean like you could watch it so impartially because it's like it's like home video footage. It happened to be on tv but it looks like this snapshot of this really great day in your youth. I think that's what made me thinks. I don't normally ask people if they watch their stuff. But that scene in particular Is special to me. Let's let's get to the the buddhism of it all just. Because i love talking about that stuff and then we'll get you out of here How did you come across buddhism. I was raised. I was raised buddhist owen parents. Yeah both my parents. chose to get into buddhism and found buddhism before i was. How did they form Well it was in in los angeles. They both lived in los angeles and in in los angeles. It was especially prevalent and You could also say a restive in the in the manner in which they proselytized. I think every religion was pretty aggressive and a lot of them still are pretty aggressive but You know they would not just just Just like aggressively getting people. They're just like hey talking to people on the street outside of a seven eleven getting getting as many people connected with this thing and it was for the right reasons but they would it. Would i've heard stories about like in the eighties. How to pull up in a minivan and like you know they would. Just come and get you like not. They wouldn't kidnap you but they would come to your house like before the meeting they had told you about and they kind of make sure that you went if you wanted to go. Wow and they would come to be like you wanted to go to this meeting like this is for your own well being in your own happiness. Like if if there's something you care about you can just come. We've got an aunt outside. Now they will Okay okay i'll go. I'll go to the meeting. And well like fill up the van on their way to the meeting So i don't know if those are stories that actually relate to my parents and how they found it but They got very into it and they were both I i my parents divorced when i was four They were both still very heavy into buddhism throughout my childhood so they were both just practicing different homes and it was the one constant no matter where i was. You know staying whether i was at my mom's or my death and it was a big part of both of their lives and so buddhism became the the You know that was the tie that bound those two people in my life in in a big way and it was a great through line to have for a young kid The philosophy behind buddhism is very. It's a it's a tuned to a lot of other religions living there's a lot of similarity most religion It's just the way that things have shifted over time in the way that people have manipulated those philosophies their benefit. It's very beautifully put. Yeah that's beautiful and it is a powerful message. Often the cliche couple of divorces. One of them is going to abandon the faith that the family had or the practice of the family but the fact that your parents both continued their their path. Or whatever you wanna say had to have a profound effect on you like oh. It's not just a clan identity. It's not just a tribal. it's a flag. We fly on her house. So you know what holidays we celebrate. It was something that actually was benefiting. Them that's powerful. I mean especially through a divorce. When do you need to meditate more like a self emptying or when you need to lean into life is suffering. I know that's misinterpreted but life is desire and to to learn non-resistance and to go with the flow when your family's falling apart. That's when a philosophy like buddhism christianity. I remember somebody at my church when i got divorced He said to me. It was actually quite beautiful. He was like we're not good with pain. Lets you just said it to me. It was like he was sort of apologizing but other practices buddhism in particular seems to have like this to nest to it like this is happening. This is what's happening. And i need to flow with it so that that had to be really beautiful. Did you go to temple. Did you go to like group. Meditations or was it like a localized in the home. Sort of thing. both We do district meetings which were up in someone's home usually And then once a year. Maybe you'd have like a bigger a bigger meeting with kind of a much larger group. But they're also other kinds of meetings that happened at the local community centers Depending on where we lived at that time and as they developed new ones Did they have. Oh sorry. there's one. The one on fairfax olympic. Now i'm called the friendship center And that was kind of newer in in Like that happened when i was like sixty and fifteen sixty did. They have a specific teacher. Or i don't wanna say guru but they have a lineage that they were part of he. Yeah i mean. I it's So it's soka gakkai which means value creation society and it's the the sgi which was formerly of a priesthood. Known as the the neutron shoshu of america. And i say they. We kind of split off the sgi split off because there was a pretty severe differentiation in Philosophy in in thought in connection to the teachings themselves which in the priesthood their specific They chose to acknowledge the priests as more powerful than the lay practitioners and So the gakkai in the growing up in the sti there was a very profound awareness that we're all equal and they were all capable of Achieving buddha hood in this lifetime which there are a lot of different Sects of buddhism because shock muni buddha traveled the world and shared his teachings as he went his teachings grew as he got older and more so they grew as people's awareness grew because there was a time where the value of human life was very different and specifically between men and women as as an example. That wasn't an equal that was commonly accepted and inaccurately accepted as the obviously As as one being valued over the other and in a society where there's that big a jump between men and women. How can you really teach that all people everywhere on this planet are all capable of such great things Such positive thanks and so as he you know. His teachings grew his philosophy so he couldn't start at where he finished. He had to slowly teach people the direction that he was heading so they could get on board As he would have been. You know the in the salem witch trials but in a different version of them For having such extreme theories about life And so the the lotus sutra. Which is i think. The second to last the last suit or that he wrote that is what the sgi. That's what the foundation of the Buddhism that i grew up in That's what it's come founded in that book cool I love yes. I love those suture stories. I wonder if you have any i. There was some monk that read the diamond sutra. It didn't make any sense. And then he went to see this teacher. Who's going to teach it to him. And he turned off all the lights and as he led a candle. It's one of those spontaneous enlightenment stories where he became enlightened and then he went out he'd spent his entire life writing about the diamond sutra and he went to the street and he burned all his writings. I love those stories. Because there's something familiar. It sounds like your peace with death. There's something about like. What am i doing putting up fence posts and critiques and commentaries when it's as simple as natural as a candle flame it. You're enlightened buddha nature. It's who you are. It's being unveiled but when you whether or not that story is literally true. I find it to be a powerful metaphor that it couldn't be any closer you know. They're all those stories that you're you're begging for change but you're sitting on a box and the boxes filled with gold like i love those little things but those are the ones i know. Are there any stories that kind of let you up about buddhism or the that. come to mind i honestly. It's been so long since i've really dug into it. I haven't practiced as much In the last few years But i i. It's i think i have the great fortune of growing up in a and so always it's always a part of my philosophy in the way that i think in the way that i grow and it's always a foundational aspect of who i am with. I i feel so fortunate in Because i was always encouraged to to make it my own. Which i don't think is a general vibe of religion. Religion is very get onboard with what we're teaching this is. What's real that's all bullshit now And in buddhism one of the things that they teaches Reincarnation and it never made sense to me and it still. Doesn't it make sense to me in a in a new way. Now it like there are aspects of it that i can Hold onto but as a whole. It isn't the way that it's described and it was described in my development When i was younger reading about these things going to study meetings and talking to people i was never pushed into believing something. That didn't make sense to me. I was always. I was always urged to keep asking questions. And and seeking. What made sense to me. And i and i love so deeply that that i was given that opportunity. It's beautiful to figure out for myself and it doesn't make to me. I'm i'm okay. I'm still buddhist And i and i you know at my core and i don't believe it. I don't thoroughly believe in reincarnation the way that it's described Through buddhism as. I'm aware of i. You reminded me of another one Which is it. I think it applies to what you're saying. I'm not just throwing out a random thing. But the the great sermon that buddha gave was holding up a flower and that sounds very similar to the free range buddhism that you were given which i think is so beautiful. I kind of think. That's the only way to do. It is to respect your awareness. Your i would say god given divine spark or whatever but your own authority for your own experience and your own conversion or whatever you wanna call it but holding up a flower and like that to sermon and the story goes only one of the monks started weeping and understood what he was saying but in my you know what i can tell as. He's only and saying that anything exists that a flour exists is an insane mystery and that is the unknowing that we should dwell in that we should be trying to unlearn And get into that more the beginner's mind that place of i don't have this is right and this is bullshit but be perpetually in the flow of wonder and and i'm just going to say unknowing again i don't have a synonym for unknowing. That's that's where that's where the the mystery can touch you. It's harder when you say the mystery has to look like this for it to get to you. Wouldn't you agree if you say well. I was told the tree incarnation. That doesn't feel right to me. But i'm going to hold onto it but when you can stand before it sort of naked as it were. I feel like it has a better chance of latching onto you and working with you is. Is meditation part of your practice. Yeah i grew up chanting whoring geico. And if you've ever seen What's love got to do with it. The tina tina turner Move ahead It's about buddhism in the specific Sect of buddhism that i was raised in is a part of that she practices the same Form of bosom. And so it's it's actually kind of like a weird little beginners course on buddhism watching that movie But you know buddhism and chanting And the people that she found through buddhism helped give her strength to leave to be to to see her own potential. And i'm not trying to speak for deterred or in any way. I'm just reciting what i watched in that movie. But you know the the. I think something that's missing and especially in our culture now is True strength and courage of of of of the individual and the growth of the individual Dislike rupe identity is Is i think really sweeping and had some the tribal brain. It's not the is not us at our at our greatest potential yeah in most cases yeah no an empowerment and you could say liberation to tina turner again. We're just playing with an idea realizing that she is connected to the same source of life and that's true power and everything else. A marriage a job a society a country a planet. These are all stories and that. That's that's where i could see somebody learning. hey. I don't have to stay in an abusive relationship because i i can now love myself in a new way. Yeah as a piece of it all. It's it's a beautiful thing. I i think Of what i know of other religions which i don't know much i haven't read the bible. I know tiny pieces of taoism and and but i call on christianity judaism. I'm not terribly familiar with but it does. I do feel lucky. The more i hear stories of people's experiences in other religions of about how three and and Uncontrolled Caged the philosophy is in buddhism. And how free really are to explore. Because a 'cause that isn't always that doesn't feel like it's always the case unfortunately and And there still is the depth of history. It's not like a someone just one day woke up was like here's an idea. We're just going to be free like there. There is A wealth of Information to back up the value of of of this way of thinking in this philosophy. It isn't and it is. It is very parallel to so many other religions in theory in in its in its foundation. Nothing excites me. More when i find jesus saying something buddha said or vice versa like it's i was raised to think a we have the market cornered and i to address what you're saying when you're in a religion. It's really hard to be free. But in my experience when you break out of religion and then you realize again. Joseph campbell says you should study other religions. because then it'll help you see your own religion with new is like you'll actually be. You'll get a crack at actually understanding your own faith and in my experience it was important to leave the church to be able to actually find the value in it. But because that's where you get out of the tribalism and the and the identity building aspect of religion which is kind of the first step in the door is like. Hey we'll help tell you who you are but just like a candle being lit and you burning all of your writings it ends up being way freak gear and spacious and actually kind of exhilarating. I was gonna say scary but it can be exhilarating to taste the void or the one or whatever you want to say. Have you had experience or taste the rainbow which is a sponsor go to skittles dot com slash weird getting any experiences. Meditating if he ever left your body. Have you ever had weird hallucinations or anything like that now. Only on drugs have you taken psychedelics. I did i've i've to that end of Deny wants to go a few times a well. How was that for you. I couldn't be more interested. That was really great. That was you know i didn't i. I haven't had the the stereo typical Trump Journey i haven't had what most people talk about. Which is someone you of a friend of families living or or deceased who kind of comes and guides you have having And it's not always someone that you know necessarily but someone kind of coming and taking your hand taking you on a journey and showing you what you need to see. I haven't had that experience yet but There was one particular time i've done four times and One of the times was in An especially intense experience in a great way. And i kind of allowed myself to relieve A burden that. I'd helped for a burden that i had held that i didn't really know. Was there it was. It is therapy And it was a beautiful experience to have them i. This isn't that type of gas. And if you end up saying something you don't want in. You have weeks to tell me that it out but can you give me. A sense of the flavor of the regret was something you had done out of yesterday. You know. it was My father passed away six years ago and the year. Once i found out that he had a ls. I spend as much time as i could with him in florida Which was which is a lot of time i got. I got to spend a lot of great time with him. But there were years leading up to that where i i didn't put in any effort really to go out to florida on see him. I'd see him once a year. Maybe or Once every couple of years as you know but but it didn't take away from how much felt connected to him. I just didn't reach out enough and show him enough and benefit myself from our relationship. Because you know. I still feel Is one of the best friends and mentors and fathers like nyc is definitely. I feel very grateful to have had him in my life for the time that i did get to have them but i i i think i felt regret about not seeing more and and i just got to release that 'cause it was my own negative energy that i was holding onto that he wasn't upset with me and i don't need to be upset with myself. The the past is something. I can't control but i have now learned that lesson and when it came down to it I spend as much time as i possibly could with him and got so much out of it. And i know you know. He appreciated me being there and and Just being present in showing love him. You know. I mean i. I really fulfilled the circle. You know he wiped my ass coming into this world than i wiped his ass going out of it quite literally Because he couldn't really do that for himself and It made me understand how parents can change their baby's diapers and deal with the smell. The leg horrible smell of shit inches from their face. 'cause i like i was dry even taking been fulls of a poop from the toilet that was in the living room. The like just like Travel toilet or whatever this little seat with been under and taking that to to flush In the in the toilet 'cause he couldn't really make the walk into the bathroom given how it'll strengthen his legs and his whole body But i i'll tell you i. I did every moment of that with love. And i'm so appreciative that i got to have that experience. I'm not surprised yeah. I'm not surprised. That's really beautiful. Yeah i'm so glad you got that time. I am too i. I learned so much about him. And i've learned so much about it's i i think this the journey since him leaving this You know since his body Leaving in the manner that does when someone passes away My coping with it has been made a lot easier having had that time with him Because i i really got a reminder before he left to how how he never will be gone. How i hold onto him every day and in the actions that i take in the way that i further the growth that he was That that he was was Putting himself through and using buddhism as a catalyst i I get to further. You know his experiment with becoming a better man Now i mean you know the stuff that you were. You know that that's a mistake. Most of the mistakes that i think back and i go have made mistakes in my life. It's usually based on how they might have affected other people as opposed to the mistakes that i've made that Where you know. Yeah i yeah. I don't know if that one eliah. This one affected you this one affect you but it seemed like the plant. The iowa ska wanted to come in and and first of all maybe. It's validate that you had a regret. Something that you did that was affecting you. And saying that's okay and i think we all need to learn that it's like i. I've heard it say about like anger towards another person is like drinking poison and hoping that they'll die in the same way that like self flagellating that They said that right flat. Flagellating is whipping. We don't want to save fighting. That sort of whipping about you. You know what i mean. It was it. was you carrying on something. That was what it was what it was. And i'm not saying that in the dismissive way but you were continuing to allow the story to be this one. That wasn't serving. You and i know you know this but your your father wouldn't have wanted that and the plant was telling you you don't want that and that's the candle in the darkness. What the fuck it might do. Like what am i doing. We have this like almost kinky desire. I mean subconsciously to really continually whisper in our ear european shit and and. I'm glad you got that help me too. Yeah i i think a lot of it actually tends to be power power. Power teaches people to be inferior. People in power want that power to be sustained and that works in the ways that religion has been transformed over the years in many ways. In many places not always. But certainly you know. The human condition plays a part in the how how things develop the no matter how pure its inception was You know things when people have power develops into something different and that may not always be the best version of it But you know we get to look back. And i don't know if this is a new experiment. You and i talking these things out as new experiment in the human. Yeah that's right that's right and it often and almost always involves all these things that we wish had happened differently or didn't happen So that's really beautiful. That's that's good. Alchemy and its good acceptance i meaning. You're not spiritually bypassing. You're driving through it. Which is really powerful. Do you think your dad's practice was helpful to him as he was second and towards the end yeah he he he He gave so much especially at the end. But i think he gave so much as life When he kind of check what. We found a new list of priorities. Really in his life. I think he had started off with As we all do he developed into someone who really wanted to care and helped develop the next generation and you know That was hugely present in the way that he went out because he was constantly just giving things in any way that he could physically books pieces of information a dialogue He was constantly chanting under his breath. Because grieving unfortunately as thing that becomes difficult in the way that the the lungs are affected by ls but he you know fought so hard to the bitter end until he kind of Went a little mad when the that's a whole other story but that's still even very funny that he i was. I gone away to work on a movie. He he kind of. He kept telling me that. I couldn't He don't you know he. He loved me and i wanted to be there for him but i knew that he also didn't want me to give up opportunities. That would make me happy or things that i would regret and so there was one movie that i had decided if this comes together. I'll go do this but that was kind of best. Otherwise job wise. I was there with my dad. That was it And i think you know part part of that time was taken up with one of the seasons of silicon valley. But you know we were nominated for an emmy that you're thinking i was with him watching it on on the screen 'cause none of that maybe there's Compared to human life and and to be honest the only things that are valuable about those moments are that i would get to share them with these wonderful friends that i had been I lost my train of thought. You were talking a little bit about how he went mad. I don't know if that was. I was just going to tell you a funny story. He started to think got it. Just like part of me feels like oh maybe wasn't losing his mind and he was just totally with it. An this'll be funny way. Wait till they wait till the here that And he just kept saying he like he would grab my brother. I wasn't. I wasn't around for so he would grab my my brother who was there And he would tell him my brother paul and it would tell him Don't let them take my bag and he'd point to his he had a colostomy bag in. It said they're trying to steal my back. A bag of shit like literal bag of his pants at chip at he would just say they're trying to steal his shit just not i was so honey i mean it seems to me. There's a good chance that that's a very funny for somebody out at who's giving away everything and that's what we're doing is we're dying. You're giving it all away so this seems like somebody who understood that and here take my take my time. Take my conversation take possessions and then at the end. He's like don't let them take my shed. That sounds like shit. If the only thing i'm keeping oh i love that so much as a dad. This is a selfish question. But i'm just i'm as you're speaking. I'm like boy. I wish my. I hope that my daughter feels this way about me when you say mentor in friend and somebody that you like can you can geel that. Like what was it that your dad did was it as simple as he saw you as an equal that he gave he space. Wh what was it about his style with you as a parent. I think one of the most important things in any relationship is something that he exhibited very well oftentimes and failed at in many other times. But when you when you broach the topic and you need to listen. He would listen. He was always you as much as human as much as he was humanly capable. He was a great listener. And that spreads to everything. And you know something you just touched on definitely is part of that Which is when you listen with respect. Everyone is your equal so and you can learn from everyone. I started doing jujitsu at the beginning of last year That's not the end of that story. I'm not bragging left At at the beginning of twenty. Nineteen i started doing jitsu in the. I took a couple personal classes from cabrini. A- is his name and he's a world world renowned jujitsu instructor and He's incredibly good at beating at beating people at in this craft of of You know human chess. And i started learning with him and immediately kept he kept saying the same sentence over and over again really stuck with me how he kept saying like i would say. I'm an idiot. Like i don't know how to do this or that. Or you know we'd be in the middle and we'd just acknowledge how. I made a mistake here. There he'd say so much like i to this as someone who has done this for twenty years but you. This is your day day. Three of of learning jujitsu. I'm learning from you. I was like oh that that's it like that is what listening truly is is stepping into every moment humble so so that you can hear what someone else is saying and to that end. I remember being a kid and there. I don't even remember what it was. We were talking about but he just asked me a question. Specifically were sitting in the car and just asked me a question about what i thought i think about school about something that was affecting my life and i never get asked. What like. it's just do your homework. Do this do that and get good grades. Like these are the important things but never like what i think about the teacher or the schooling system or what and i just remember him asking me a question and really listening to the answer like oh okay it. It gave me a sense of of worth. that adults. don't often give children and that stuck with me. That really that moment carried over for years and years and years until now truly powerful that Technique han said compassionate. Listening is the the. I'm hyping it up a little bit. But he basically said as the solution to war and to and to strife is like if both sides could actually put their agendas down and just look each other in the eye and compassionately. Listen what is it like to be someone trying to get over the mexican border into america. Can we talk. Can we listen. And i mean you you said it. It doesn't need the old pity commentary. That was beautiful while martin. This was unbelievable. I really enjoyed this. I really did i. We ended because we do get a little deeper. Ask one question at the end. Which is if you could remember a time in your life that you laughed very very hard. I like to give a few prompts. Maybe somebody fell down. Maybe you were stone. Maybe maybe i'll tell you a story about my dad. If that's okay. I would love it. I was hoping it would be Well i mean he had a sense of humor till till the end. Thank goodness i it. It It's one of the things that i have the fortune of carrying on his legacy But he he was he was sitting he was sitting at. He was sitting in the living room on that toilet. I'd i'd mentioned earlier the leg portable toilet and it's just a bedpan under a seat and his just sitting on the toilet and i'm standing you know a little ways away not to avoid the smell In that moment. I just happened to be over there and he just. He looked back at me as he was popping a squat on this toilet and he just said this is why i don't get invited to parties anymore always was president And giving you know what i mean. The beautiful thing about a joke is that it requires a certain degree of empathy. Meaning there's martin. He's watching his hero. His mentor mapping in a chair. I'm going to address it. I'm going to break the tension. I'm going to invite him in instead of looking away. Let's look at it and instead of feeling fear and dread laugh and it's just a beautiful. It's a banquet you're inviting. someone did the banquet. That's what humor can be And that's a beautiful example of that. Well martin i really. I've i've always enjoyed when i run into you and i'm so glad that you I'm going to say had the courage to come on not knowing me very well. I'm so glad you did. I like what i'm i'm happy to. I'm happy that He asked me to do this. We ended up here round here. That's where the only place we've ever been there yet. We end with the guests. Saying the catchphrase. Keep it crispy for some reason. We have the guests said. Keep it crispy for now today you know. Keep a crisp stay present. Stay alert. listen that's what it'll mean today. You know what you have to keep it crispy. The agreement delights me every time it gets the fact that people are willing to do. It really does me and then when you give it a little a little assets a little. Personalization makes me even happier. Well lots of love to you. Thank you for this time and enjoy the rest of your day. I'll see you in the world opens up again. Can't wait vaccines common baby. All right pal b. Well idea is awesome.

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Dax Shepard

Good For You

2:47:06 hr | 1 year ago

Dax Shepard

"Back up back up here. We are back up to the bet up alone in a house. Still Benton here. Benton were here. He would also do bet that he doesn't quicker. He doesn't more Nashville. I do it very white trash bat bat but it does say white trash is. I can get cancelled. What no one's getting cancelled during the PEN TEMIC K. Got Bigger fish to FRY right now. All of a sudden no one cares about words. We put a pin in giving a fuck about words so this is GonNa be incredible episode. I'm so happy for you guys that you get to listen to the Great Dax Shepard on the. I just thought that I would do a little Little diddy up top and explain a couple of things because it does vary abruptly because this is my first Remote interview for the good for you pod now that we are in the new normal stop saying that. I hate when people say that. I think it's probably because the new normal was a TV show that I mentioned for like a while ago and didn't get. Maybe that's maybe that's my baggage But now which is like. We only like it because it's an alliteration. It's two ends in a row. The new normal it makes us sound like smart like we're such like monkeys. We are so delighted that we made like we made a little rhyme. Rime the new normal anyway. I'm digressing You know that I've been resistant to doing the remote interviews because the sound quality and the video quality can be very sketchy. I feel like when I'm watching these videos on like that were remotely recorded of two people on their zooms like It's so hard to watch. It's like one is has higher resolution than the other one and I'm looking at people's backgrounds and they're not symmetrical and Mike. Why don't you guys looking in the same spot like someone's looking at themselves? Someone's looking in the camera like it's just like it's I have a flare up. Iva Perfectionism flare up when I'm watching these and to me. They're so distracting. But the Great Dax. Shepard knows what he's doing when it comes to all things best buy all the checks technical things. 'cause I've mostly been doing interviews in person under very controlled neurotic circumstances. I mean you guys know I had on Melissa in your and Taylor Tomlinson. Only because I know that they're neurotic and looping up their bodies every day with Cheryl I know their character and they came in and we were six feet from each other. We had like a measuring. Take stick whatever I need I this. I'm recording this very early guys. I'm sorry my brain is not quite firing yet. Very obvious. Words are evading my brain which has atrophied in quarantine My brain is just out of shape but to me. If someone wants to record the podcast in percent the first thing I do is ask for a photo of their hands. Like if your skin doesn't look like it's flaking off. You're not coming to my house like you should be washing your hands so frequently that your fingertips look like rattlesnake tales. Your fingers better looked like curly. Fries at this point gave they. Don't you're not coming over? I want your palms to resemble an Idaho Spud like. I want a little skin tags. I want nasty raw. There should be skinned dangling off your hands. Your hands should look like feet at this point. Sorry Kristalina is texting me. Ruining my podcast. When he ruin your own podcast he sent me a video anyway I wasn't really prepared to record this. I kind of just wanted to give you guys a little like heads up of what to expect and also say look. I'm I'm trying to do as many as I can. But you know I don't want to set about example and I truly do not want to contribute to the spread of this wild thing. We want to be over as soon as possible. So if you're GONNA come over to my house and record the podcast six feet away. I need a Selfie of your face. First to make sure you've been wearing a mask if you don't have a line of acne around your cheeks on your Chin from steaming up your face without mask. Not You're not recording the pod dude. You should have divots in. Your nose lacerations. In the back of your ears from the stretchy thing the little stretchy elastic thing. That goes around your ears. Your face should look like you fell on a subway. Great if it doesn't you're not wearing your mask frequently enough. You should look like you got hit in the face with a grill. And if you haven't done that you're not recording the pod with me lovers K. Only then only when your face looks like it's been hit with offense. Can you come record the pot in person but I also wanted to the remote thing because You know lot of people have kids and I felt very guilty asking anyone to do. The podcast has kids right now. Because they're all Teachers now all my friends that have kids have been like furiously trying to relearn all the shit that they forgot from grade school like all. My friends are texting me. They're like Columbus Day still or is it called Indigenous Peoples Day. I don't even know they're like what Stawicki arbitrary. I don't fuck it now ask. Jeeves has the Internet but so I posted on instagram. Something I think you guys all voted on it where I said like. Do you guys like watching video. Podcast you like watching zoom podcasts. Like remote podcast. I even bother with them. I hate these index like God damn white night he just reach out to me was like dude. I'll do it. Let's do it. Let's make this happen and he is why I wanted to do sort of the first remote podcast and He was kind thing to do. I don't know just kind like you know we're in a business where everyone's got egos and people can be nasty and people can be competitive and people can have like he. It was just so cool. I don't know it was just a really cool thing to do. Because it kind of ended up dissolving my fear and resentment I was being such a baby about it I was like. I don't want to do an ugly podcast. And what if it has bad audio and I know for me to say that is wild because I have started eating almonds at the end of every podcast so for me to all of a sudden care about audio quality. I realize is definitely hypocritical. Cool too because I loved accident I just. I just hadn't asked him because I know how busy he is. And he has his own like blockbuster. Podcast is that even a thing juggernaut. He's a jogger dot and I guess I just codependency like didn't want to you. Know he could always say no but he was busy as kids. Here's a wife But I was reluctant to ask any parents during the quarantine because I know how busy they are so for him to reach out. Wishes was so cool. And I think you guys are going to enjoy this when it comes to self-awareness psychology rigorous honesty like taxes. Just a black belt and I think you guys all know that listeners podcast but it was just such a breath of fresh air to talk to him to talk to someone during this time. Who wasn't making this pandemic about them. Who was complaining about how hard it is for them. You know I know you guys probably have seen a lot of celebrities who are like acting like this is their being oppressed by this in their mansions and he's just like so. He says he says salt of the Earth. That's what it is and such a freaking human being. It's been really hard to watch celebrities. That aren't DAX like I'm seeing a lot of celebrities like posting on their social media. They're like okay guys. Here's some things to do with your kids to keep busy And they have like a blistering color with them. Play hide and seek and we're like bitch. Most people know what to do with their kids. Most people have to spend time with their kids all the time most people don't have nannies. Most people aren't spending this quarantine trying to figure out how to hang out with their kids. That's something we already like. It's so funny to watch celebrities. Make try to tell non-celebrities like how they're passing the time and all they do is reveal how much help they normally have when not in quarantine people like okay guys. I just figured out a recipe for peanut butter and Jelly. So you put numbers like we baked that every day. What are you talking about? We got it? This is our this is. We always have to make our own food. We always have to babysit her own. Kids Oh God. Celebrities are just. It's too much for me. They really just can't figure it out. Everyone's like yeah. No we're waiting on our stimulus. Check Bitch we got it. Okay God celebrities ad that are like okay. Here's a way to work out in your house so I figured out a way to work out of my house. We work on our house. We already did that. We weren't going to spin class. We weren't paying sixty dollars to ride a bike. We we always worked out inside. They're like okay. So here's a way to stay in shape. Just run around your neighborhood irons. That's what we already did. Sorry I'm digressing I just. I'm really sort of entertained by how ridiculous celebrities vape not tax not tax. So I can't wait to share this with you. I think you guys are just going to enjoy how much of a breath of fresh air He is how down to Earth is social. Just so smart. I mean he just blows my mind like you know. I got to do his podcast and he would. Just it's like church talking to DAX like it's just the best when you're talking to someone who is committed to improving themselves committed to Digging into the deep cobwebs and nooks and crannies of their childhood. Like it's just. It's really cool to talk to somebody who has just committed to edification and has done the work. That's what it is done. The work Couple UPDATES before we get to DAX which again that's GonNa Start. Very abruptly The interview 'cause we started kind of talking and then the audio weird and we had to restart talking so sorry if it's a little discombobulated Okay that's enough for my apology festival. I WANNA give you guys a couple of updates. You guys are asking. I hate it when people do that. I know you guys have been Alana. People have been asking everyone's been asking like I'm sure it's not all of you. I know I hate that. Influence for Shit rescheduled. Dates are coming soon. Check my website. They're getting updated constantly. I don't WanNa be that obnoxious person. Who's just constantly like rescheduled post on my main feed all of my logistical dates. Because most of you don't live in Orlando most of you. Don't live in Pensacola. Most of you don't live in Sacramento. So I'm just I'm trying to target You guys by the texting APP if you text me. Eight one eight two three nine seven five two seven. I can text you directly when the day is The Tower date is rescheduled in your area. So that's why that is such a great thing. I know you guys are like you're stealing my data. I don't want your data. I don't want your fucking data don't want it. Don't need it K- just text eight one eight two three nine seven five two seven and I'll be able to just text the people in Portland. Just text the people in Seattle and let you know when the dates are being rescheduled And I'm reading them. Also if you see my instagram stories. I've been responding to people. I've got nothing but time right now. You guys are sending me photos of your dogs and you dicks and your gerbils and your parakeets and it really is lifting spirits. It means a lot to me But a lot of The tour dates scheduled for it. Looks like October through January. That seems really far away. But I don't WanNa keep rescheduling or keep canceling. Because that's what was happening with a lot of shows and you know I think we when we come back to doing comedy I wanted to be fucking awesome. You know like I don't want everyone to have to be in masks and having your laughs little muffled. I'm looking out trying to make you guys laugh. And you guys like you know I want people to be able to take a drink from a waitress at the bar and feel comfortable and forget their problems like you don't want to go into a theater to watch comedy and just be like worried about the person next to you and afraid to exhale and inhale and touch things and you know that's not really conducive to comedy so hopefully by then these venues will have figured out a way to make everyone feel safe whether it's tests whether it's an infrared light whether it's handwashing stations whether it's were sitting in every other row who knows what it's going to be by. They are going to figure it out. And we are going to be back before you know it in a flash. I'm also loading a lot of Solo podcasts videos on the youtube channel so check out my youtube channel. This is the Shit Benton always says that I like feel so corny saying so. I forced him to do it. Subscribe to all that. Subscribe to this podcast. 'cause we're going to be doing a lot of like extra additional episodes and if you subscribe to them it'll pop up in your feet right away. Give us a rating if you want to a nice one. Don't be a Dick W Dick in the pandemic. That's not good for your Karma Also keep leaving me comments. I'm checking them because I have that kind of time. Right now Leave me comments on instagram. I'm reading them. The suggestions for guests. I'm reading Even the main ones I read and I don't take them personally because my therapist trained me to an someone behaves mean to just go. Wow sounds like a lot of pain so if you guys writes. Shitty to me I'll go. You seem like you're on a lot of pain and I send you love and I send you forgiveness during this difficult time. I hope that worked. I hope you feel better. I'm happy to be your punching back. The least I can do anyway. Don't know why I'm whispering Hamas on but this is an amazing episode. What a pleasure We get very deep about relationships addictions codependence. I could talk to this guy literally for hours. Just do not have enough good things to say about tax shepherd so you actually might want to get a pen and paper for this one because he dropped some bangers. We drop a lot of relationship. Bangers a lot of insights that we both have worked very hard And spent a lot of time. Developing coming to terms with I love the idea that we get to go to therapy and work on ourselves and like the Robin Hood of therapy and just give you guys all the good nuggets so that you guys don't have to go to their view are GonNa pass it on to you. I truly believe after this episode. You will be less batch. It crazy What a pleasure. I love you guys. Keep sending me stuff going to keep doing pods. We have some amazing guests coming up. I mean I'm gonNA keep it secret. I'm not gonNa tell you kind of surprising people with the episodes now and that's my new. That's my new jam and it's a pandemic and things could change. If I've learned anything in the last two months it stopped making fucking plans bitch. They're not gonNA happen. I love you guys. Hope you're safe saying being careful SIA soon. Here's Dax let's get into it. Are you hurry? Donner we go. Wherever everything's fine I have nothing to do the notifications off. No one's going to text me or pack me. I'll just scream if I need you. This is our lives now. I I can't tell if this is something we should put it or not but I- breaking up for me. Used to be a living nightmare because I used to think I owed so much to somebody. Yeah I thought I needed to like an explanation or I had to like lied to them. I feel like I didn't think that adults were capable of hearing the truth and I thought that everybody interpreted taking care of themselves as a rejection towards them. Because that's how I operated. Yeah Yeah you know and I had no concept of like fade. Really quick you. You don't learn that on accident if you if you have parents that when you tell them the truth. They're irrational and can't handle their own emotions than yeah histrionic. I learned if you stand up for yourself or have any kind of needs it's just you're gonNA shatter someone. Explain that Word Histrionic to makes a here a lot in therapy. What does it mean? Histrionic is overly emotional. Irrational tra- dramatic response and UC kind of like hysterical. Isn't the same world is hysterical hysterical? But I don't use hysterical because I I use that as like something's funny and I also think hysterical has sort of been reserved for like crazy women like you're being hysterical. Misogynistic floyd thing that women are like really prone to hysteria? That's right because I always treating women for hysteria right and I think it involved him having the faulk them or make them calmer something and I'm going to say one thing just as we move on because I'll think about my biggest fear in life is interrupting people. I respect well okay. You don't need to have that fear of me. I know but because like these like zoom whatever however recording this. Sometimes there's a delay and you end up interrupting someone. Yeah so I just WANNA say right. Now if I see what an accident I think you and I both both brought nukes to a nuke. Fight like we're both interrupters. Were both narcissist. So what let it. No one should feel bad for either of US. In this scenario codependent addicts. So I have. I have so many questions for you. I'm so excited we're doing. Let's get back to being stay with the history and the engagement and then you can cut it all out. But I'm just curious I can't I almost feel like I would marry someone. I thought it was wrong because if I got that far. I've done that. I've done a couple things because a couple of things wrap up in it number one. I think I was told as a child so much that everything was my fault whether it was just someone else's emotional exhaustion around my needs of like relax calm down. You're being dramatic because my parents were not really capable didn't have the bandwidth for empathy. So whenever I did want to get out of relationship as it oh I'm probably just being an idiot. Who Do I think I am but I would cheat a lot so I was like I. What's worse on someone will go. Oh I'm not gonNA BREAK UP WITH HIM. I don't WanNa hurt them. I'll just cheat sure I mean that's like hot. That's a psychotic solution. I'll just start another relationship in like they'll find out learn. I've a terrible history of cheating. This is shameful but my history of cheating was not was really more number one. I until I was thirty. I was so codependent that if someone wanted to date me I was like. Why don't WanNa hurt their feelings? So I'M GONNA have to Okay I would rather be with someone. I didn't want to be with and hurt their feelings even though I didn't like them. That's how gnarly that gets. It's so funny. How many yeah. How many mode. How many incentives can get you to the same place? Yeah and also I think cheating is an Adrenalin addiction. To because it's an cheating isn't fun. It's not it's fun. Maybe for a minute like all the dopamine and oxytocin and the risk and the you know but it's a constant stress or constantly looking your phone. You're flipping your phone upside down every time. A car drives by the same car. You have like a pit in your stomach. It's just like it's really not fun. Well right but in the way that cracks not fun but it is and I'm not even trying to be comedic. It is fun for the period. You're smoking it's just at the records is there's really no comparison it is like a twenty eighty one and Right as that about the breakdown of it. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Because you've you've like a good eight hour session on the pipe. Yeah you're pretty. You're looking at like thirty six hours of shame and self loathing you know. Yeah like this is worth giving up my house. This is worth destroying everything but that that to me was the the cheating thing. It really was a way to make it. Wasn't it wasn't that you just like? I just need everyone's approval. I need every person to be attracted to me and I need confirmation that they are and I have to say that was my motivation is just like Oh my oh wait. Does this pretty high status person like me. I have to have that at any cost. And it's interesting because I think there was also I don't really believe in fear of intimacy. I have a hot take on this fear of intimacy thing or okay. I don't like ice sort of dough by it because you know like I know. I'm avoidance when I'm in a relationship with someone who's anxious preoccupied like that. A lot of guys pathologist me is having like a fear of intimacy. But it's taken me so long to everyone. I know that has a fear of entity like they managed to be intimate with someone else. I it might just be you. Don't like someone and that's okay you know will yes but can I just add because it was what we were just talking about my my interpretation of fear of intimacy. Because I've experienced that I have no fear of being physically close to somebody or snuggling. I have a deep fear of like someone entering a zone that I'm not there for And that heartbreaks hat like I have deep like. Oh No. This is getting to a place where they're feeling things. I'm not feeling and I'm eventually going to have to confront. This is so it is. I have a fear of that. But you have a fear of someone liking you more than you like them or needing too much from you which to me is not true because I also have a fear of intimacy and I'm going to step program. I also know like you're safe to be intimate with and you're not safe to be intimate with so a lot of times in relationships. Bulich why are you sharing that with me? I'm like because this is what I share with people. I. I'm closer to a stranger in a twelve step program. Yeah then the person I live with you now so I don't think we have to give everything to everyone either. Yeah Yeah I agree but you know what's funny is there's like there's so many it's endless and it must be exhausting for everyone who's not doing the same thing as us but even something like. Oh I hate to break up with some because I hate to hurt them Like in my in my in my absolute most honest moments. I'm probably able to go. Is it even that or it's I can't bear to think someone has a bad opinion of me that I'm GONNA leave this scenario and this person's going to hate me is that really. What's my motivation? 'cause I'm not I don't know but the irony is if you stay with them even though you don't like them they're going to hate you eventually like. Oh Yeah you're a you're postponing it and they'll probably hate you. Moore's the irony couldn't agree more and I gotta say I have a really good track record of the moment. I know someone's heading somewhere. I'm not interested in on it right away but man does it suck regardless that I I didn't stretch it out another four months just that I've driven the people's apartment walked in and I know it's coming and then they can tell us in. Its go on for eight hours in an apartment and then you walk out the door and get in your car like Outta here. You feel like you're driving from a burning building that it just turned to this. Who'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA? Woolf like you're saying the same thing fifty different ways but my experience with breaking up with someone I go. Oh I need to break up this person. I'll go in and just be like like I need them to do it like you just to. I used to try to just make myself so unattractive despicable and I would just be so mean to them that they would have no choice but to break up with me so that I could have my cake and eat it too. I could break up the person and be the victim. Yes I never did that one but I. I know a lot of these that do that. Terrible to the person and like well. They'll they'll tire of this eventually. Yeah let me just chase you away so often a person that does that habitually is perpetually on available and that's probably why the person was attracted you to begin with you even more unavailable. It's probably just turning up the heat on why they like gave you're making them follow deeper and deeper in love with you. Honi Honi Honi so what I mean I am now at the point and I do i. Do you have trouble firing people also. I. I'm trying to think if I've fired some now. Look I've had a single person in twenty years of being on sets fired because I legitimately thought the person was gonNA come to work with a gun like I I was. I just had a real bad feelings. The person was dangerous. Yeah but I but I have been in screaming matches with the sound guy on I'm parenthood humiliating for swearing at the top of our lungs in crowded mall shooting a Christmas scene. And just fuck you motherfucker bulbous. Oh my God this guy is this would have come up. Anyways is my number one thing. I'm I have no patience for I want to own it. It's my sound I could give flying. Fuck I hate being a part of a plan that makes no sense. I just I can't bear it because again. My my explanation is I had a lot of adults that came in and out of my life and they all had a new plan and followed it. And it's all fucked up in slept that house and I was like never again. Will I be a part of something that I don't agree with? So this guy had mo CD he had to have some kind of OCD so he would label the Mike Packs when he got to work and often there were like ten of us in a scene right. So label the packs. One two three four five six seven through ten in what? The one was who read the first line in the scene? Check want Yes yes. Yes ever read the first line in the scene had mike pack one and then whoever the second line third line so on you get it. The problem is I shoot five scenes in one day. I also can't stand people touching means getting in my body to change MICMAC so if in seen one and the second line I would get mike back to the scene. Ju- If I have the fourth line he's got to change my mind playing from Mike Lynch to pack four and I had been tolerating this for a couple years and whatever it was about this fucking busy mall senior. I'm not doing it. I go give me Mike Passover and they'll say I fucking line all day you see every scene will start romy going on and that's it that'll be lying one cut to like everybody like everyone's one through ten set up in the writer comes on and goes. I actually joy could you. I'll just say hi. I was like she's got Mike back one today. So that this thing escalated so funny bananas level and then naturally the producers were like you know. Do you want us to relieve Pete duties? Because you're really not alone to scream at her. But anyways I was like God no I applaud him. He was I was I was aggressive and he came right back so but I'm trying to think if I like on the on the few things I've directed I never have actually curious if it's a you know and I was GONNA ask about friendships. If you've ever gone through a friendship breakup. I was curious if it was more a gender thing Or more of a romantic thing or you know because I find that man. I was kind of taught could not handle rejection like I was taught that men's Egos are so fragile that you can't reject them in any way Whereas women I feel like I can just go. You're being a deck like I I don't have it with. I couldn't agree more My example of that is. There's this super cute kid really young kid. I know for off roading and he as a car detailing business so every few weeks. He comes over and cleans like three cars in the driveway. And I just noticed the other day I went out to him and he's young and I said. Let me tell you what people love. They don't want to hear about anything doing they. Just WanNa see a problem and they wanna see that it disappeared. That's like what I'm just giving you a tip this what everyone's desiring they don't want to be involved in the twenty five steps between you arriving the carbon clean crazy direct about it right. I would never talk to a woman like that and Kristen. I was telling Chris I'm like I think there's gender things like tribally like if you're an older male your you kind of educating the younger dudes on how to be a person yes in this tribe and I have no problem doing two guys but but I do have a very hard time doing it to women like being direct like that. I mean this like gets me in trouble sometimes when I talk about this but it is like you know no offense but women are generally stereotypically better at reading nonverbal signs and faces and you being tall and you know like all of a sudden my frontal lobe is. GonNa shut down. I'm just GONNA go. Does he not like me all a constant thing? That comes up between Kristen and Monica and I because we all spend so much time together is that we all debate things and yet I'm regularly in trouble because I'm being intimidating and I'm like I'm I'm having a hard time reconciling this. I understand what you're saying. But from my perspective I'm communicating the exact same ways you guys with the exact same passion. I just happened to be six to like I'm not. I'm not putting this on to enter this debate yet. It's been read a lot differently than I think y'all's opinions. It's also I don't really. I'm not listening to what you're saying. I'm listening to how you're saying it right so I have this thing where when I am agreeing with someone it seems like I'm fighting with them. it's what we're saying the same thing have you ever done Videoed yourself in an argument with Kristen before no like John. Got Leib knows. Very Common Style Institute. Is that WHO it is? And I think Harvey'll hendricks does it also okay and they film you and play it back and show sort of. You're able to break down the nonverbal sort of communication of 'cause to me my biggest third rail and I'm so curious what yours is is in a fight because I you what you really. What's the third rail? A third rail is just like the thing that that you said before about the plan. That's your following a bad plan. Like that's the thing you have no patience for for some bullets like being called Connor Bitch or stupid or shooting or whatever. Yeah mine is a non dealbreaker exactly or just that activates. You triggers some childhood thing. I had so much passive aggressive communication in my family growing up. That dishonest nonverbal communication like to be gas lighting. Basically this sort of like no. I'm fine. Everything's Fine. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah I can't argue with that like your rights I now. I'm crazy if I go. Well clearly you're not fine Rate so yeah. You're you're dead right. I mean you can tell somebody that they are correct in. They've won and it can be obviously a statement of. I don't agree with you and you're wrong so this like okay. Sure you're like okay. Well the fight over no. You're right I was wrong so let's go over. It's good well. It's obviously not good. No no you're right. You're totally right. I was wrong and and it's good. We're good well. Why is your voice going up nine octaves? It's it's like you're not alone you don't mean it you know so there's this thing where if. I am to retaliated against that. I'm being a bitch in dragging something out. Yeah even you're doing the same thing just non verbally. So that's when I mean direct communication like you know what I'm still pissed. I'M GONNA get over it but I am still emotional about this. So can we stop talking like I appreciate that? Yeah I I. I'm prone to that. Very stereotypical male thing where I reach a point where I've tried every tact. I sense that the person's True desires just to be mad at me for a while and not to resolve it. And then my I don't know how to get out of that and I will shut down in very generic male form while just stare you like I do. I don't think you want to resolve this. I think he's going to be mad and I have no control over that and now I'm out I don't know what to do. Yeah I'm really big on They say trauma survivors take three days to even be able to process an event that adrenalizing you so this has never gone well for anyone. I've ever and I'm looking forward to the person who is into this. Maybe it's a very stereotypical male of where I will go like I'm upset. Can we talk about this in three days? 'cause I don't I don't WanNa just like have an emotional like recreating my childhood circumstances like Adrenaline Fez Trauma Response Festival right now. Can we talk in three days when I know that I'm not going to be like hopped up on Cortisol? Whoa what if you lived together? You're going to just avoid each other for three days. Maybe his old I'll do. Hey I'm clearly emotional so I'm pretty much know for certain that some fear of mine being triggered I'm going to go take fifteen twenty and think about that. I do that. That's great. I don't know once every six weeks I have to do that. Does that go over? Well Oh yeah yeah. Yeah Chris very fine with that. 'cause I remember seeing you on maybe some talk to Kim or something or no. Maybe it was her on. Kimmel talking about like you. The first one on a motorcycle ride together. You got a huge fight like very early into your relationship. There's also context. So yes you're going to see your parents. Maybe or something we had. We had just done a movie together in New York and we lived together and we had only been dating for a few months and that was a very big mistake on both of our to live in a tiny apartment in New York and work together so there was a lot and this was before we started couples. Therapy in fact this trip caused couples therapy and then the really funny thing and we've told this before so I'm not don't be thinking I'm selling out my wife. We've both told this publicly I had told the producer the producer did not want to hire not even the producer. The Studio Disney did not want to hire both of us. 'cause they knew we were newly dating and that's gone sideways on so many productions that they were like or not getting burned again so no so. I told them my best friends. I said listen to me. I will make you a promise right now that under no circumstance will I be breaking up with this girl while we shoot and they were the history of not being able to break up with women as me. I physically can't do it. And there were at least fifteen or twenty in that two months in New York or am I had. I was literally thinking if I had promised. Panay so far out the door and I don't know that I'd ever call to even resolve it. I mean we. We gotTa know received on this movie. We've got a fucking mail. Yes so so then. We we wrap the movie and then we decide. I had shipped my motorcycle to New York to drive it during the summer and then we decided well. Let's drive to Michigan for Michigan's the movie wraps and we start driving home and within like I don't know five hours four hours you're in Pennsylvania. There's no helmet law. I don't like to wear a helmet when there's no helmet law so I take off my helmet and then we over to gas and she won't talk to me she's so mad. What's the matter? I don't like that you don't have a helmet on? We're going ninety miles an hour bovin. I said okay. So what's the speed? Be Comfortable with with no helmet. And she's like well. I don't even WanNa be on the highway and okay. What if I find a two lane road that we can ride payroll to the highway? Would that be okay? This is like yes. That's fine so I take the helm enough. Find this two Lane rover driving next to the highway and pull over the next gas station. What's the matter she angry again? You're still going seventy seven okay. What's the number? What is the miles per hour? Third thing it started raining in the rain and then went on and on and so we fought about. Who's who could control the I. I at that time. An ipod to run through the Stereo on the motorcycle. And then we got in a fight over that and so the last two two or three hundred miles of the trip. She simply would not talk to me. She wouldn't even hold onto me. Which is dangerous so funny. She's doing the most dangerous thing won't hold onto me and then we get to her mom's house and in my mind. I'm going to wave goodbye. I'll talk very favorably of her for life. But that's that's it for me and my plan is to pull up in that driveway. Wave Goodbye in literally. Just be out and as I pull up her mom's in the driveway waiting to take a photo of us because we just completed this motorcycle journey. So now we're posing can't stand her and she wanted to see your photos. Oh me too. I'm sure her mom has them so then. This is really great. I've never been to her house at this point. Her childhood home so her mom was come in. We gotta come in. I've made you whatever the hell so I have to enter the house even though my plane was just a drop off and leave. I'm now inside the House I swear to God. This is the truth. I'm in the House for twenty seconds in her mother says honey it's all cued up and kristen goes ALF in. She goes yes. Let's go the first order of business is to sit on the couch and watch ALF on. Vhs Tape this is for real. So I find myself sitting on a team help which I've never seen on vhs. At this girl I wanNA break up with her mother and I'm like just like vaporize myself and disappear so it's such a weird show to watch for the first time as an adult within thirty seconds of arriving on a road trip like who goes to their child within a two minutes watching a movie or show from the eighties it's awesome. It's also well because as I hearing you say like we stopped. Every you know gas station and fought. My rain is already well. She's already your soulmate. Because she's going on this trip with you. Well that's what's so weird about both of us is that like there's all this contradictory in paradox. Ical behavior happening yes. She shouldn't have even been on the motorcycle in the first place. And I should have definitely said while scales willing to do this thing. She didn't want to do. The least I could do is make her feel as safe as possible during it. Yeah both of us are just. We're both control freaks. We had not learned yet to me. That is the most like because I remember hearing like an iteration of that story early on going like. Oh they're gonNA make it because no one's pretending no one's pretending they're both being authentic like it's not about the absence of conflict. It's about how you handle the conflict and how quickly you can recover right. Yeah Yeah Yeah well. We got home from that trip and Think we're both were like either. We need some help. The thing that was always going for both of us is that I won't speak for her but for me. I was like Holy Shit. What a unique personality. This human being has like on the high when the heiser. Hi there unparalleled. She just says magic and I would love to be sitting on a porch with her when I'm eighty. She's the person yet. All this other stuff are on. Baggage is so corrosive so anyways. Let's go to couples therapy. I go all right. Who should we go to? Let's go see my therapist. Harry and I'm like I don't feel right. I'm going to go see your therapist. Homecourt advantage. Yes and then she goes well. He is I think at the time he had already been twelve years. Silver and I was three years sober. I was like oh well be sober. I'll give it a shot so I went and met him. I had a little session with him before we had our couples session and I immediately loved him on. It's funny as I told him that whole story and I got to the part. I told you I said well so I told the producer I will not break up with her under any circumstances. And then I use the phrase. Now that we're back in real life I just. I don't think I can do it. And he goes. What's funny is that was real life. What you're doing now is not real life. Making a commitment is real life that you think you did it for this arbitrary reason but by the way that's probably the first time in your life you've actually made a commitment under no circumstance. Am I not working this out and I was like I'll just blew my mind? You know so. It was almost like a mini starter for marriage of like. I lock the door. I'm not the doors locked in we're GONNA fuck and get in the ring and figure this out. Breaking is not an option. I'm not going on a desert island. Then that's that we gotta either learn to get along or it's going to be miserable and I'm not gonNA. I can't threaten you anymore. I can't play that card. That's really yeah. That was hard for me. That was the hardest part about getting married for me as I was like. What leverage do you have any more none? Yeah none and that. I'm always fascinated with men. What the when your brain goes from? She's my girlfriend to. We're going to be eighty on a rocking chair together. Like do you remember the moment you were like. Oh this is my wife or was it just a foregone conclusion. Well another wrinkle was that I fundamentally did not believe in the institution of marriage like I had been with a girl for nine years before. Yeah and we were. GonNa have a baby for sure like I was not a I was very in favor of spending your life with somebody but I was just theoretically opposed to the notion of gymnasts documents and asking the state to let you not be with someone anymore. I just go downtown and its G- clearly has a religious foundation. I just why am I participated in this thing that I inherited anyways? I had all these opinions about it. But at a certain point I was like She wants that bad and she won't. That will make her feel safe. And so really not still never like embracing the concept. I went and I got the engagement ring and I'll tell you I had the most memorable experience so I go there. I brought her styles such a huge gift. That normal is don't have which is and so. I bring her stylist to pick out a ring and I say here's how this 'cause I I still want to say so I said so. I'm going to tell you which ring I like the most and then you tell me what's ringing you like the most and she goes okay. This woman and I go. I like bat one and she likes squealed and she goes. Oh yeah that's the one. I like to a very good about that. That's unusual guys. I pictured years like being like a skull with diamond. No no there was like a very art deco e one with a yellow diamond and that was one hundred years old and I was like. Oh I dig it. It looks like the Chrysler building or something so Also this this many years ago. Warm the amount of money I was paying for this ring was substantial versus what I had saved at that moment. Right yeah time. Did you feel like because she was started asked us she was is famous that you had to deliver a certain kind of rang? Was that a part of it knowing that she'll be on red carpets and people will look at it. My friend who she was thirty eight and her dude was like. Let's go pick out rings. She picked out there. She wanted which was a humble what she wanted and then he waited two years to propose. I want to get the bigger one like that. His Ego was and she was like idiot. I'm becoming infertile. I don't give a shit about this. This is about your this is about your Dick and who I am. So I'm always curious how men decide the size. And how much do the girl and them well? So I have all this baggage from growing up in Michigan. Which I'm sure is is same in any state where you achieve status by money only Ling one of the things I love about. La Is and we were just talking about this last night. Gilson's grocery store here. You look at the line. You have a fifty fifty chance of guessing. Whether someone's homeless or billionaire it's really it's true dude with dreadlocks. And all this shit he may have created Darmon Gregor's fan just don't know who here is as rich as fuck and who's on the streets. Always I love that. Yes that's one of my favorite parts of La hipster homeless which one yeah and then because of that everyone kind of gives everyone a baseline of like status. Because they're afraid I mean it's motivated. I something positive but regardless so one of the things I hear knee. Sorry is the people with the least amount of money are wearing Gucci sweaters the people that are ostentatious in some way are usually the ones that are dead and it's just a cultural thing of La. And and I guess because I grew up in Michigan and we didn't have a bunch of money and I was just so aware that that's how you got status and if you look at a grocery store Michigan and you look at a line of twelve people you could probably predict with like eighty percent accuracy. Who makes what and where they live because I every dudes gun at the second of dude can afford a rolex. He's GonNa buy one on the second. He can wear Polo collared shirts. He's got so there's all these visual indicators of of money status and it's always rubbed me the wrong way and so to me. The huge solitary diamond always reeked of that so I never was going to try to get an eight carat diamond. Yeah buts I'M INTO COOLS. Shit like I'm into art deco stuff. I'm into like rare stuff you know so and I did think I needed to spend a shitload of money because I didn't want to because I think it's a ridiculous thing to buy so I needed to take like contrary action. Something disagree with Toco statement to myself so anyways. Pick up this ring for me. It's a lot at the time I hand the Guy My American Express and as I'm handing him the card I get this very very familiar. Visceral wave over my whole body of like this very specific feeling and I was like what is this feeling with so reminiscent what is it so specific and I was like Oh my God. This is the exact moment that when you go get a tattoo they put the little outline on your body and they show it to you. They've just do a little transfer and then you look at it in the mirror for a couple of minutes and then you look back at the guy and you go. Yeah let's do it and you know when you say. Yeah let's do it. That's the last time your shoulder doesn't have that Inkatha. Is this a very specific feeling and I remember cliff? Yes and he ended up in the credit card. I was like Oh Wow. I am doing this for life now. I'm hearing them this card and there's no going back. I noticed though that guys like a lot of my guy friends that time between when they buy the ring actually get engaged is their favorite time. Because they're all like in a jewel heist movie one hundred percent. You're like hiding the ring and you're like not theory that like guys. That's their favorite part of it. Because they're constantly James Bond like smuggling ring around in my mind compounded with the fact that I we were when we when we were first together. We were both neurotic about our privacy. We don't feel that way at all now. Okay but but we were. We did not like Paparazzi. We didn't like we just didn't like that. It wasn't up to us to announce anything or share or invite people into you know. We're not like that anymore. But just I we were just like I don't. I don't like that everyone else is involved in this new thing. Was there any fear of like what if this doesn't work out and we've are imprinted on the Internet? No I didn't have that fear. I just had the fear of while. If if I tell I got to be very specific about who I tell I bought this ring to because like it or not it is news worthy or it has a value to the enquirer. Someone could call and so I was crazy diligent or not the right word but I I was. I was very careful to not let anyone know that I was gonna ask her to marry me and I was. I had this overly elaborate plan that I was GonNa take her to this restaurant. And it's the restaurant I I told her. I loved her Blah Blah Blah Blah at any rate about a week and a half before. I planned that I get an email from my publicists saying just so you know this is running tomorrow the fucking jeweler. No Oh yes yes I hesitate even saying his name but he's a very famous jeweler and he announced to like people that he had sold me and engagement ring for Kristen and I was so pissed and I knew it was coming in like two is. Does he have the same? First name as Kristen's there. No I'll stop the game now. I'll tell you off the beaten but anyways I was like well then I have till tomorrow to now proposed basically or whatever four five more days. This happened another time to talk and ordered. Kristen something for Christmas like in this first week of December and it was some female thing. And that's and I stupidly. Use My real name because my credit card or whatever the hell was her. Christmas present was in the news like a week before Christmas. Yes the person who had bought it from called whoever they call. I don't know how it works but it was all over the Internet that I got in Chris. Kristen this specific gift. There's a bunch of things I have to ask you. And if I don't the listeners are GonNa Freak out 'cause I never well. I went out to my lead to ask about your injury. Oh Yeah Yeah I was. I was off roading and I broke my ham. Well I broke the three of the four Carpools across the top of your hands snap and so then I had to get surgery and they put pins in them. Yeah oh I saw pulling them out. That's right yes talk to that. We're down one pin yet. We I think there are six left in there though. A while and is is the off roading. And the is it still contention with your wife or you guys have just. This is something you have to accept about me. Well what's amazing again and it really? It really tells you something we already know. Which is the helmet. Argument wasn't about the helmet. The music argument wasn't about the music. So I think Christmas falling in love with a guy who had gnarly pass. Certainly one that differed from hers and I think she rightly was terrified to link her train car. This train going is this thing. Is HE GONNA relapse he? He was a sex addict. Maybe like all these things understandably it was really fear and then there are all these other things that that symbolized it to her so weirdly. Enough and Kristen would admit this to Christine was pretty jealous. The first couple of years we were together. She didn't love that. I was friends with Max girlfriends in this kind of stuff and from the day. I asked her to marry me. She's the least Jealous Person I've ever met. She doesn't care how dirty my jokes magic trick it is and I was like. Oh my God it was kind of a leap of faith because I was like. I didn't think I would marry someone. That was jealous. It just wasn't my bag in the past but I just loved her so much and then like a light switch it was gone forever and all this other stuff like she I raised. She doesn't care. I ride motorcycles everywhere. She doesn't care I it's it's interesting it is. It is just sort of this like box that gets checked because look I've been with someone I've been engaged to someone. I've never been married to someone but I do know the moment I got engaged. I didn't care who he followed on instagram. I didn't care who he was texting and I do think you know being in public which everyone is figuring with instagram. Frankly so everyone can relate to that. 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Nfl like a God Damn Dolphin. It's only nine dollars to get your starter. Kit Plus free shipping always always always go to my billy dot com slash. Whitney spelled my B. I. L. L. I. E. DOT COM Slash Whitney get smooth get delectable and my question for you About the offerings. I'm watching a lot of my friends. Who ARE COMEDIANS Who now without being able to do standup are unraveling. Sure sure we've now realized that this very They've been held together by this very delicate balance of adrenaline exhibition. As making people laugh being the center ruble center of attention getting flirted with being be all this and now that's been taken away from them and they are just dissolving into a ball. Yeah and it's scary to watch and I'm curious. Is there anything that's like with what's been going on this time and you're like oh? I didn't realize how much I needed that part of my routine how much I needed that thing. Well when I wanna I say because it just it reminds me of the so much. Is You have a dangerous occupation and I have a dangerous occupation. Yes in in that I had a guest at a live show. That had just come off a very gnarly bender and I know I always see another fishermen at sea like what people are doing Christians. Always like what? Are you going to a gas station math? What are you talking about? And then the next human lines on xanax. And how do you? That's my radar so this this person had a really gnarly like three day. Bender almost didn't make the show up until the moment of the show live show and then just fucking crushed. I talking a Nyah lated. Four thousand people and I had this like a piff any after because I saw the person's demeanor and what their self esteem was just prior to the show and then I sought after and I was like this. Is the death trap of performers because you can seemingly turn your life around in an hour you can walk in someplace going. I'm a piece of Shit I'm worthless failure. I'll never break these patterns and then you fucking carpet bomb a four thousand people and you you give them this experience and you're in control and you're in charge and you have all your powers and then you walk off and you go if it's not that bad and I was saying it's not like a dude. A guy who works at a muffler shop has a three day bender. His wife hates his guts he goes to work and installs the perfect fuck in. Muffler Shit is quiet. You'RE NOT GONNA be able to turn around your entire opinion of yourself by installing a muffler perfectly. So I've I've known a lot of performers. That can't get sober or just can't get it and I think it's part of the issue is now either. Their job is can be so profoundly rewarding those moments or people's obviously to their their their appetite for to be around them makes them very tolerant to some terrible behavior that other people wouldn't get away with an realizing how much of their internal needs. We're getting mad externally and how they have no idea how to get the met. Otherwise so yes yes. I'm watching. I mean it's really interesting to watch. I'm kind of able to delineate like who's been working on themselves this past ten years and who wasn't if this had happened to me ten years ago. I'd have died two months ago. Yeah but watching people going crazy and I I'm like bitch I'm fine. I've been working on my my inner monologues on point like I can. I can be alone with myself. Like doing zoom Alanon meeting. I'm doing zoom alanon meetings and I have to clown on them for one second Because of the backgrounds. I'm so curious the difference tweet. Aa Zoom meetings and Alanon zoom meetings because al-anon's were wired to entertain and and try so hard to make people like us that all the backgrounds are like funny. Oh boy homer Simpson's living room right then someone just like crying and then one I was. You know identify as a love addict also and I was in love adding meeting and there was someone of course who's background was Paris. The Eiffel Tower perfect kicking texting. Like is this triggering anyone else. This is the most you're sitting in the World Gondal Gondola Venice canals get picnic. But I am I enjoy them. You know al-anon's we are mothers micromanager martyrs and we are control freaks when we need things to go exactly how they go so it's been a how we need them to go so that we feel okay but it's been interesting. It's been like sort of another layer in recovery to be okay with how bad people's camera angles are. Oh sure sure. Yeah so you know. It's like in the meetings that used to be. The Gum chewing are opening wrappers. Or The you know whatever but now it's you know we're all like you know. I'm okay with the fact that I can't even fucking backlit and I. I wonder if there is some stereotypes working. Because here's here's my view of a lot of the guys on the fucking sue meeting in bad right. Fuck in an ounce of effort into this. Fuck your microphones covered. You're laying down. You're you're you're prone mine. I feel like the de always. They're just like yeah. I'm like what he took over there. See I mean al-anon's it's like well it's funny because we run the gamut of like have to be perfect all the time so you'll have people that are fully made up full-hair full thing. Yeah and then you'll just have sort of the more self loathing like hi guys. That like can hardly talk into their Mike. But it's also wild to watch 'cause Allen is this thing L. is an Alanon what dream this corona thing. It kind of feels like it would be for isolators. It's kind of a dream. The problem is you know we have the the. Our medicine is right. The opposite of addiction as connection our medicine is connecting and now we have more excuses than ever to not connect but yes. I think it is kind of 'cause it might be right in. That part of the appeal of a codependent is that I'm going to worry about this other problem. That's so extreme that my personal problems will pale in comparison to that and I don't have to look at them as that. Do have that someone yes you have it summarized and I. I'm actually I psyched. We're talking about this. If it's not boring to you because I feel like when I did your show. Whenever someone asked me about codependence I get really perfectionist sticks. I want so badly to explain it perfectly and I sure I like it overwhelmed because I'm like there is a newcomer listening and I can't fuck this up like I immediately relapse but yeah a big part of it is you know. There's this kind of idea that codependence are like you know the goody two shoes or you know the kind of like I thought I was just an angel like I came into Alanon and I was like oh I'm rescuing addicts and I get people sober and like now. I have to go to a meeting. 'cause I'm just too nice and like I'm perfect and you go in and you realize no bitch like you're doing the same shit addicts are doing right manipulating Denial delusion you know running red lights while tex like but you don't have an excuse. You're sober like you're the other human. Is there cocaine right? That's right drama adrenaline. So a lot of it is. I'm going to rescue you. I'm going to focus on your problems. So yes I don't have to look at myself and in comparison. I'm going to be perfect. Because that's our dream in life is to just be the straight a perfect you know. Students out of the Valedictorian of life. So if I if I just focus on how much of a mess you are in comparison I must be pretty amazing so I'm deriving myself worth in my self esteem from just juxtaposing it with someone who's a bit on trainwreck total trainwreck. It's not that hard to be eight plus if you're only surrounding yourself with addicts do it too like I know so. Many of my friends were bummed when I got sober. Because they're like mark. The worst addict in our group gave a lot of comfort. I think people but also it's you know it's like Talking to therapist the other day and she reminded me because going through this whole. You know nightmare but we're going through. I I was like it's really hard for me to like enjoy this time or use this time because I feel so guilty you know About what's going on in the world and she was like. Yep just don't forget codependence. They feel guilty when they've done nothing wrong. Which is sort of another deal with us. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah and also the overdeveloped sense of responsibility like I thank. God I don't know can you? Can you have a facetime with with Kristin here describing so I love her so much I kind of I mean? I don't WanNA insult her. It would be an insult to earn a compliment to say feel like. We're pretty similar guilt thing when you said that. I'm like Oh my God. I remember some of our first arguments when we first started dating where like she felt so guilty for being successful achieved thing and other. Pm Like fuck that you you. You took a gamble when Hans at about a hundred thousand to one that's right and you feel guilty. I feel like a champ. Wow it's interesting because I wonder in my case. I wasn't allowed to shine too brightly when I was a kid. Because if I did. You're showing off your gloating. You're you know you're injuring narcissist and you're taking up too much space. So maybe that she got that honestly. Oh yeah that that kind of hold you just the idea. Yeah just the idea of well. Yeah as soon as she went home. The MOM like we're watching L. We're GONNA watch a real star. Elian laugh a different planning motherfucker. And so there's that but I also think that there is a and I obviously don't know what Her situation was but when you grow up around sort of any kind of alcoholism which we know for alcoholism. President alcohol doesn't have to be present. It can what I learned. Alanon is it can be cooking. It can be obsessively cleaning obsessively controlling like you know except obsessively gardening and growing up on farms. And like I'm learning like how deep this is in our DNA from generations. You know even when alcohol wasn't present you know right. It's sort of like whatever you're doing stops being a choice. It has to serve an evolutionary function. Or wouldn't be so easy for us to fall into this. I mean I have to imagine like in a group dynamic where you have a a a charismatic leader. You know that every like any group animal I bet has like dogs. Probably have some hard wiring for codependency. Yes and codependence are the people who you know one hundred years ago. Save someone's life because they were like can I thought that's on your back. That might be something we have to see. What that is you know. Like the obsessive groomers the obsessive micro managers. You know they serve a very important purpose. Probably kept our species going for a long time. The hyper vigilant people who were always like there's a problem that trying to solve problems all the time but what I learned. It took me so long to learn as like if you don't help someone fix someone like helping isn't helping because you're robbing them their ability to grow and you're not giving them the dignity of their own experience so it took me so long to go. I'm just GonNa like the worst thing I can do is solve that problem for you so that you don't develop the ability to solve problems and I'm robbing. You have like pride right. Yeah Steam. That's the meanest thing I can do is take your and then. It's also a way for us to recreate our childhood segments of being like the victim of like well. You know it's like when you hear people bitching. Oh and then I had to drive him to the airport and then I had to do this and it's like you didn't have to do any of that you just you just. WanNa Brag about how good of a person you are A. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah you know what I mean like. Yeah this isn't you. Do you mind. Do you find that. It's in the way that learning how movies are made and being a part of them can ruin the experience in in a Lotta ways you can just. You can see the math happen as you like. Like one thousand nine hundred seventeen I was so distracted by the filmmaking which was so exception I was like the I was so preoccupied with how they were physically doing that like the movie ended and I was like well that was visually unbelievable and I had to say to my mom. Was that a good story. Like I couldn't even pay attention to the story so distracted. But do you find it all that link once you you you recognize in yourself these lies you tell yourself It gets a little. You're just aware of other people telling their lies out loud. Not Not in a judgmental way. Not and I'm better just like oh I recognize that that's the thing I do is well. It's very clear like who's asleep. And WHO's Zombie? Yeah I mean I remember my therapist saying seventy to me a couple of years ago. I had done the Alanon steps I'd done the. Aca Steps Adult Child Alchoholic step work which is of what we do in program to kind of change our wiring and engage our frontal lobe and do our inventory and sorta like clean out all the nasty shame cobwebs and stuff And I started on the love addiction steps and she said something that was really interesting. She was like you are. How how much do you want to recover? Because the number of people you're going to be able to date is GONNA get smaller and smaller. You're making your pool so as a love addict I just WanNa let you know if you do these steps. You might have less people to draw from because it's going to become so unattractive to you when you see people that haven't examined themselves. Yeah yeah you know but it's also just like a a more benign example I would guess would be like when therapist teaches you to make the ice statement so like when you shut the door. I became scared as opposed to you. Tried to scare me by slamming. The door like those simple. I messages of this fact happened that no one could argue about and then. I felt this weight. Not You made me feel this. I felt this once. You've practiced that and you're having a conversation with someone and they're telling you all the ways you made them feel. It's interesting I just I hear it all the time and not even if I'm involved I'll hear other people say like and then he just made you know. He made me feel like this or she made me feel like and I'm like well so that really how it works. Your Dad made you feel that way. You could make you feel that way. You feel that way all the time probably anything old send you there and it is hard because what I remember. The last person that I dated was in program which I just loved so much but it was interesting because my therapist said to me as someone who is in you know codependent with a recovered addict. She said just so you know his recovery is GonNa feel to you dismissive so because it's very cut and dry and sort of upset and crying. He's we'll feelings aren't facts but recovery to someone. Who's not in recovery? Sounds really self righteous and sanctimonious? Yeah Yeah sure. So you yeah. Also there's a male thing Are predominantly male are very common in males so a is a solution program. Yes Sir in men love solutions when they're ladies tell them something all their thinking of. How can I fix this? How can I fix? Maybe if she doesn't go to that gym anymore she won't feel that way. So you're never. This is not a guy thing to recognize. Owed the person just wants to share how they're feeling and be seen for feeling that way and it's very hard for us to break it so I do that to to kristen where like she says. I'm and I'm like if you're in a if I sponsored you I'm like let's get to the solution. Do you want to repeat this a thousand more times or do you want to solve this? Yeah but but quite often I have to remember. She doesn't want her fucking solutions. Unit is in service your project manager. I don't need solve everything for her. I can just listen to her when she said it's hard which is really really hard It also to not take it personally like it it. It is a CO dependent. Certainly and I I. If you if we're in a relationship and you feel bad it must in some way mean that. I have failed big. I have that really bad which is like it. I don't have to take it personally. That doesn't mean I'm ugly. I are fat. My brain goes there right away and I also had this problem. You're saying on your side because I experienced that a lot of my side as well Which is if you're upset by fall because I have a history of being an addict and not showing up and and people over or so when appointed. I'm around my hunch. Is you think it's me and there's also the challenge of being in a relationship. I'm curious if you have this where I feel like I need to be as sad as you are sad and is happy as you are happy so I'm really starting to come to terms with this because I I also think we kind of try to do a binary thing like. You're an addict or nail. Now Mind you. My father died maybe twenty eight years sober something. And he also entail non so. I'm obviously aware that you can be both. Let me say that. It's al-anon covers from zero to when you started using and then a covers when you started using on so it's like everyone. Oh yeah so. It's like well before you were able to self soothe with sex and drugs or food or whatever. It was with behaviors in control. And so that's sort of. They're all ball man. Yeah I've probably neglected that whole aspect. Yeah because my dad was an addict that was using at the time. And my mom is probably by your own admission. A love addict you know. Yeah but I I. I'm just starting to recognize that I I think I'm aware of it but I don't think I saw that I was doing. Which is what you just said. Which is it's a part of the codependent. Definition right is you. You make other people's emotions you take on other people's emotions that's right that's right and you don't know whether you are. I don't I don't do it with men I do with women and I'd like to not do it and it's it is hard to go of someone else's sad to go. I don't have to go there with you like I. How do you so when the person sad how do you yeah? I I don't know how to go like I see you. I hear you and yet I'm not gonNA join you in. That feels like I'm I'm abandoning you or I guess. That's what I feel like that. I'm abandoning you. If I don't join you in your sorrow is it. You really have. If I'm part of the problem you got to look at your motives is usually what we would say if I was talking to respond side so you have to look at your motives because codependence breeds resentment so anything that's ostensibly kind. Today is going to be resentment in tomorrow in two weeks. Whatever so the kindest thing I can do for you is let you be your own self contained person and work this out on your own because if I go here with you and I don't do my off roading and I don't have fun on my podcast episode and I don't get to hang out with Monica today and do you know she's going through something and I don't get to be present with her. Whatever or kids or whatever. It is that in five days. I'M GONNA be mad at you. So this wasn't this wasn't a kind thing this wasn't it wasn't clean you know and then in two years. I'm going to go. This relationship isn't working because you're I always have to go where you are when you're sad. So it's it's Ostensibly now feels like the right thing to do. But it's not a A positive investment in our future together. 'cause I'm going to start crystallizing resentments. and you just go like it's also dishonest. You know it's so hard to just go like me pretending like there's no call sheet. We're not acting today. I'm me pretending I'm feeling something I'm not feeling I'm kind of just you just break it down as I don't WanNa lie to you because we have a rule that don't lie to you so right right but it is misleading. Because if you've been formatted to like when I join effort yeah immediately. I'm hardwired shapeshifts. And then yeah. I am even resentful in the moment like we could have been having a great day and I'm not speaking specifically about Kristen. There's a bunch of people I do with friends. Loved ones probably. Yeah yes so just yeah. I'm like Oh God we could have been this hour doing this but but man I can pick it up. There's no Su- stutter step. I'm all right in and match you. And and that's a big. I think growing up around. That's a C mostly sort of deal with. It's just how we are able to like chameleons to be able to take on whatever emotion whatever feeling Or The opposite. You know I I have learned more to do the complete opposite which is if someone sad. I'm like but I'm GonNa make you laugh and I'm GonNa get you out of it roll raw thing. That's why we're comedian. Yes you know if someone's I found myself I'm such a contrarian like obnoxious thing where when people are happy about something I'm like. Yeah but let's be serious like I have hide have to rose to the hat like everyone's like the swans are back and I'm like guys. There's there's bodies onicerinks in Spain. What are we saying like? I think I have to take the opposite of whatever. Someone's doing do you think okay? So that's a that's a illness in my family off me and my siblings all have it and I always try to get to the bottom of like what is our motivation. Or what is our incentive and is it is. Do you think your what is your motivation. Is it that I think what people like about me is that I am brave? And not afraid to be contrarian like there has to be some party your identity that you think you're confirming in those moments right and I think it's a couple things I'm going to say something so gross and I you're good for these gotta be single forever. I think there's a level of like I don't want to have the same opinion as everyone else. 'cause that's basic and I'm special. Yes there we go terminal uniqueness. Yes I love it in a in do you think too. It's because and happiness is also kind of for dumb people. Okay so I I really relate to the first man which is I I. I can say wrongly yeah. This point. I wrongly assessed myself and junior high high school is. Oh I'm not as cute as these other guys. So my thing is that I'm fearless combination and I have a Mohawk in. No one else does and I wear these clothes and no one else like. I'm like the bird with the bright feathers in front of the Panther. Like look how confident I am did not get killed in this pre conservative mid Western world by being really outlandish stress. Sca- it right or wrong. It did Garner results like all of a sudden girls started like me and that became my thing forever and yet now it's just annoying. I still thank. That's an appealing part of me. That I'll tell the one guy to fuck off in front. Everyone everyone you know. Yeah totally and I think that you know there's a little bit of just contrary and like in my family it was very roasti and it was. Who's it was a test of? Who's the strongest? And I think because we my dad had girls and he didn't really know how to throw. Footballs with US or baseball's. 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You remember the moment where you you decided this is going to be. What's attractive about me? I'm assuming you you must have assessed. I'm not going to be the blonde. Cheerleader did that happened. Or were you the blonde sheer? That's interesting my older sisters. The blonde cheerleader. So I have a couple older sister who is like stunning and everyone like she was the shoes the she was the. We'd go to a family thing and it was like. Oh she's so pretty and then I was like you know so I had to find my place so my place was. I'm shots here. Where's your sister? I was the quick barb. I was Daria. You know I was You know dark funny smart one. That's how I got attention and I just kept leaning into that kept leaning into that and I think as I got older it was. Who's how I mean especially when I got into comedy who can be the most offensive? I started writing on the roasts. Who can say the darkest thing who like? I wasn't going to get like the guy's liking me for my appearance but I was going to get the like. Oh Shit like she's one of us or something I think I I relate so much and again that was my choice to go punk rock which I don't feel accepted by this structure so I'm going to send the clearest message possible that I'm not playing your game. I made an attempt to get control back. Can't fire I quit. Yes that's right. Oh my God you can't reject me someone that doesn't want your approval. I'm just going to let you know I don't give a fuck like I'm not playing this game I'm on the Horseshoe it's Horse. Shit did want were you look at a guy like I when I first saw you. I was like Prom King. Homecoming King right so you know. I. That's fine that you think that that works for me where it gets triggering. I've found this a lot with gay dudes that I've met working in Hollywood which is and I learned this the hard way. I now start this way which is like I think a lot of people think that especially. I think they look at me and they're like that's the guy who shoved me into a locker and called me a fag because I'm six two and blonde and yes I look like I probably was on the football team and all that stuff yes but I was a snowboarder and into drag racing dreadlocks and I went to punk rock shows and I was like trying to be everything to everybody our kids but I was funny but also fought a lot so I was tough. I wanted every fucking thing but I was not like Jok Homecoming. None of that But I like the faulk king get approval from girls and so I wasn't not. It's not that it wasn't popular. I just was like I was pro gay rights in highschool patting myself on the back but for whatever reason I was I was into that. Yeah Yeah and let me ask. You seem like you talk about the sex stuff in a way that makes people understand because I get a lot of people because I would like publicly identified as the love addict where people really don't. It's tricky because it's like food addiction. Where it's you have to do it a couple times a day or week. They met those are the people. I'm very most sympathetic to of any addiction. Which is like can't imagine if I had to do cocaine normally three times a day when I woke up and then six and by the way I think I just did that. Sending his box fucking kitchen all the code. But I can only have it three times a day in just two line for never have seen happen defied as exotic because I just feel bad for like sex addicts for example because like food addicts like. They have to something three times a day. And that's the normal amount right as you were saying. That was like don't get married early. I only have to wrestle with my love addiction once a week so manageable no what I was GonNa ask you is like I'm fascinated when you said about like how you were like having child at it when in your parenting. How often are we lying to our children so I think at least once a week? Five kids is there. Santa Claus. Is there the Easter Bunny? Are we lying? Are we not does it matter? Yeah so we. We had an interesting path with that exact thing and then we kind of at some point in some interviewed. By the way a lot of times you will read stuff we say and it certainly does come across as that. We called a press conference and made it so often or just shooting the shit. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah in this podcast. Ninety minutes of talking and then I said one sentence and then the headline you read. Is that sentence right so Chris Dax. Don't tell their kids about Santa Claus we. We approached the media. We want everyone to know we don't do this. But that's not impact. What happened but it's like are you guys. Are you guys honest with your kids? Yes yeah yeah. We tried to be dead on his all. What are you talking about the and now we just got to answer like what we told them. There isn't a Santa Claus so what happened was with child number one I. Christmas is my favorite holiday. I fucking love it more than anything I start. I start decorating on Thanksgiving. It's my I love it awesome. It's I loved Christmas morning. If I'm dead honest I don't really remember believing in Santa Claus at as I don't remember I never believed in God so but we started with Santa Claus and then our oldest daughter Linkin had some really immediate. Follow up questions like well. How does he get from house to house? Every two smart right and so I told like one lie to cover up the first lie and then I told the third lie and then a certain point I was like I'm ruining the best part of her brain. The part of her brain. That's going vis doesn't make sense. I feel like I have a grasp on reality in this breaks that reality and I'm now making twenty more lies and what I'm fearful I was training her to do was to ignore the part of your brain. That's bullshit dismissed. I don't WanNa fucking do that and I don't want hurts You have the one and it sounds so insignificant and I get it and if I'm on the outside of these Hollywood Fox. They want their kids believe in Santa Claus. That's not yet I I could see I was I was I was squashing. This really great critical thinking that is actually what I want to support and nurture not not nullify so I just felt terrible. I can't because immediately then if they believe in Santa Claus now there's this thing Elf on the shelf so wait this comes out. And he's gone touching now teaching him so much that goes along with it and I'm like walking do this but I realized that moment. Oh man this thing's genius. This is how they get you to get them to deny their critical thinking so you can launch the big one on them. Which is there. Is this man. Jesus Christ and you should live in fear of disappointing him. And if you do you'll burn in hell for eternity that concepts now much. Easier to swallow if you already believe. There's a fat dude that goes down your chimney and if you've already had the people that only the only people you can trust the only go like tell you don't listen to that voice crazy. Yeah I can't really tell you why you're crazy you just are and and then when an adult molest them three years later and the adult says I'm GonNa kill you and your family if you tell you it feels like the other thing. Well that seems implausible. But I should trust him. And that's probably true and I'm not ever GonNa tell it's just like I just pouring the foundation for is something that could potentially really serious consequences down the road and we and it just starts the like erosion of our connection to our guts. You know by the way they'd like Christmas just as much as all of their friends who who thinks has coming. Guess what the FUN fucking part is getting presence in the morning. It's not actually about the guy who delivered them also. Surreal so hung. There's people that I'm part of the war on Christmas. Oh trust me I I got. Hr violation for that but Nightmare it was on. We'll actually I said. Merry Christmas to an intern on Roseanne. As if I was the biggest problem on that set I said Merry Christmas tune in turn just like in passing like I was just leaving and I just Kinda set it and I got in trouble. 'cause I was I'm Jay. I'm supposed to say Happy Holidays. And it was like this whole nightmare. My hunch is that person didn't like you prior to the damages which was wild because then it came out in the news that happened and then all of a sudden like the alright started to love me. I'm like full the face of Cunanan. Now I was thinking it's not really tell what that those opinions that are public that all of a sudden it's like this whole group of people opens up to me that I thought hated me or probably did hate me. I know I defended teacher vase at the emmys or the Golden Globes or whatever. It was this year when he sort of roasted everybody pretty hard. I started defending on twitter and I was like Ben. Shapiro's retweeting it. I was like oh I guess I'm just Hardcore Fox News though. Doesn't it yeah? I didn't think they'd ever like me. If you just defend comedy you're all right now But no I I. I love that. You're saying that especially when I think about myself as a child and how often I was told to not trust my instincts and not Chestnut God I read this. The Gavin de Becker book the Gift of fear which I recommend to everyone all the time because the first thing he says is every woman who's been attacked or you know assaulted a there's always in the testimonies. I just knew something was off about that Guy I. I can't tell you why he offered to help me with my groceries. He offered like I just felt this weird thing but I had this inner monologue of calm down. You know what you're talking about. You're being dramatic. You're making things up which I think started a very young age. Yeah he he's very very tricky. I think Yeah Gavin. I've heard Sam Harris and at one time I totally agree with him But there seems to be a little lack of acknowledgment that people are. Also they're they're Spidey. Senses are triggered by inherited biases. Right so you get an elevator with a black dude. And if you've never lived around black people those spidey senses are going off and that you need to fight that at that time a lack of connection with other people and so a tricky because are his are so cut and dry. That's such a good yes. It's true that they need to be challenged as well. Yeah like it's not racist. Don't use like there's also people that are racist. The the most woke among us has different comfort levels within group. Outgrew if I get into an elevator with four Vietnamese dudes in another language. I have no experience with that. That is new to me. I I part of my brain. My reptilian center is triggered. Things happen and I have to know that about myself as well and I have to as hard as it is to say. This is an as poorly as I'm sure I'M GONNA articulated. I also can't want so badly to be woke that I ignore a feeling so if I get an elevator with a woman and I have a weird feeling about it's like but I'd be sexist if I were to say. This woman was crazy because Ronald I'd say women are crazy anymore. Even though I'm just scared you know there's also. Oh Yeah that thing that I tried to do. I want so badly to get the woke points that I will put myself in danger. Well that's the that's the the the real only take away of all these people that you'll read that I read that we interview. No one wants to hear it and it's the opposite of why people are attracted to trump. Is nothing definitive is a fucking spectrum? And you'RE GONNA have to make a judgment call all the time in life and it sucks and it's exhausting and it is inconvenient but unfortunately it is the truth left left right. Guess what rights correct. A lot of time is right a lot of time I it. We're we're we're juggling two concepts liberty and equality. Those those don't lay on top of each other perfectly. It'll always be a compromise. It will always be some pendulum where you want it the on that day. 'cause that's a bummer. To me left and right the extremes of both of the problem and those people to me are usually if I'm gonNA just go for it on recovered addicts who are in adrenaline and blame. And and it's just it's you know cowboys versus you know I was trying to. I was GONNA say a say. I'm from Washington DC. I was GONNA say the team from Washington. I don't think we're even allowed to say that fucking name anymore but you know become so tribal which is why on the sort of hiatus. I've been trying to really understand terror management theory because soon as I think I understand it I. I was just reading the warm at the core. I can't remember the name of the author I think I posted about it the other day but about how because we're the only species that knows. We are going to die that we spend our lives trying to accumulate achievements. And some kind of immortality and that the only way we can feel safe as to malign the other whether it's teams whether it's racial I mean it really. Does you know this theory does really. I'm not protect racism but kind of explains a lot of it unfortunately defends it in some way. It's not a positive Theory it's about right of why we're so gross and aligning teams tribes wearing jerseys. Like all the stuff we do. It makes us feel like we're a part of something bigger and hence have some kind of protection you know So me wearing the Lakers. Jersey means everyone. That's a Lakers fan is I'm already. They already like me. Yeah yeah well. My my current thing that I've been spending a lot of time thinking about because of this. Quarantine is the protesters so I look at the protesters particularly the ones that Michigan's they've got guns in their in Hummers and Shit right so my wife rightly so it was like. Oh my God these what they fucking doing because no one close to them has died. They feel no need to protect other people. And I'm like first of all you're one hundred percent right. You are correct. I said but I tell. I relate to them a lot. I what I see is I grew up in a house where people had ulterior motives and they lied to me the most the most profound the PRI the people in your life that you should be able to trust the very most my parents who were addicts who said one thing in their actions were another. I paid the price of that. Was the fucking vic them. If that that was the first eighteen years of your life that the people you're supposed to trust told you to do things acted in manners. Ultimately you were the victim and you expect those people now to believe the government. Oh you should trust the government these motherfuckers. They can't trust their own parents. That's right and so the government's telling them something that right now. Real time is causing them to suffer. They are not able to go to work. I try I understand I relate. I have the pledge that I will never be the victim again because of someone else's fucked up agenda and so a lot of things trigger that and I just I'm very sympathetic to it. I understand that I don't agree with it. Yeah I can feel it. I know what it is but not everyone is in therapy and going to you know. That's what I would be doing if you know working on myself and I can't pretend to even wrap my head around the way I would behave if I couldn't feed my kids. I mean all bets are off. Oh absolutely absolutely I just think you know so. It's just like this this sort of tricky thing but I was going to ask you just the last thing about your daughters. Have you guys ever done quite therapy? No we have not up for for two reasons one They've yet to seem to need it. Therapy of any. Of course I mean just at whatever. Yeah and then to. I hate horses on a horse like if it broke. I can't fix it. I like Shit you put gas in. I go off roading on my daughter's that's what we do. This makes me think that you are due for a horse session. Oh Okay I love horses learning I do. That's the thing that cracks me. That's the the because of I had very similar mentality that you did. But what it is. The ultimate form of surrender and the ultimate be like having a consensual fifty fifty relationship with prey animal. That's not about dominance and not about results and not about control Is Not about charming or cajoling? None of our maladaptive behaviors and survival mechanisms. We can't employ any of them You know so there is kind of this amazing what you just have to be pure of heart while you're on your part in need nothing not even necessarily. I think I need horse therapy. Not My dog and I don't mean need for your daughters. This is I was encouraging because I initially started working. I mean I grew up around horses and stuff but initially my first couple of sessions and I have one now and rescue them in ship but was about boundaries because horses. You know if you're doing the in therapy is not the right word. Any kind of just like a sort of socializing you have to claim your space and be very clear about who's allowed because they can hurt you you know so. I remember the first time I was working with the Horse. I have now. I was letting him walk up on me. I was leading an I had to really learn how to claim my space which has helped me in relationships with like a drunk guy being like. I'm not kidding you know. It's a great way to learn how to protect yourself and protect your body and be very clear with your non verbal communication. So horses are all non verbal. So it's like it's how I 'cause I used to always say one thing and mean another. I'd be like stop like I never because I never wanted to hurt anyone or disappoint anyone or reject them so I would say one thing and mean another and just hope that they made the right choice. You know so but that's so interesting that that is so emotional frio. Oh yeah well. I know it's all controlling. I was on a horse at someone's house and I just got non. It and I had ridden horses before and this horse just without any warning or provocation just took up sprint. It ran across this bridge. That was only like six feet wide with metal railings. It lost its footing it was crashing into the fucking fans. I mean I'm pulling the reins of zero control. I mean just I met the winds e of this fucking horse and I was like this is why like motorsports you twist the throttle. It's the same fucking response every single time. It's why I was drawn to motorsports to begin with. Is it's predictable and this is unpredictable. But I probably do need to surrender. I'd probably be how you think you would like love it. It was so weird because last time I sat down the Gut. He would love this so much. 'cause you're one of the few people that would just get it right away but But Yeah I mean the first thing you have to do is get to know the horse and see if it even wants to ride you know and then it's it to me is the only reason I've been able to have a relationship because my thing is do ninety you do ten like right and this is a truly taught me about like fifty fifty and how needing approval Prey animals. Hold up a mirror to your energy real quick and needing approval to them translates to desperation which then translates to fear and then they feel to them just fear to them. Is there a Bob Cat around? Is there about Mayan? And they just move away from you when you have any kind of desperation or need and then when you start needing something they'll move back towards you because they're just repelled by fear at their only the only sort of treat you can get the only reward you can give them as tranquillity. They don't they're not predators they don't need food from you the way a dog does because they have grass. They graze. Sure sure so. They're only reward is tranquility so it's just like this. It's a very cool way too because you know sometimes like I mean when you direct movies and you're on sets like your energy decides the energy of every one thousand percent. That's why that's why I love it so much and I didn't understand why when I walked onto a set and I'm like why isn't stressed out. That's me like I I decide. I set the tone so I need to figure out a way to not walk in with this desperate need energy. Yeah I gotta say I have a a very long list of character defects though one of the only things I'm good at is I am good in that role. I believe in the possibility of things. And it'll infect other people and I love it. Yeah you're wireless beloved people. Did you know that no one has anything bad to say about you? I've find it hard to believe because of my childhood stuff but that's delightful. I had this. I have a story I tell myself that guys don't like me. That's so interesting I do. WanNa talk about your Kazai. Look here. Th You know what I mean we all hear everything and I heard a lot after you had Kumail and Rabhan and talked about bodies and eight fucking blew my mind because to me. That is almost more taboo than talking about sex money you know sexual abuse to be able to say like I want a better a man saying that. Oh and then I think about my body all day long and that I think that is like one of the most Important aspects of who. I am as a person. Yeah I mean. I was frustrating about that. As a conversation was so fun I thought those two were selling Baz. They are and I've been doing it out loud but I'm so delighted like that. Both of them would be and they were just so honest. And so the one thing that irradiated me is like not not a lot I elevated it in my head objectively. Not a lot of people SOM- women said. Oh get over it. You guys don't have it. Hap- is bad as Baba bought. And I get a little frustrated. That what everyone in society would agree. Is that everyone would benefit if men could be more vulnerable and be more open and communicate better. And then when we do there is some contingent that says shut the fuck up. You don't know it's way worse for a woman it's like hold on our statement was never were. It's worse for US Than Than Women. It was simply. Here's our experience. I bet you haven't heard it. This is how we think about it. We're not saying we have it worse. We just have it whatever level this is and first of all bless your heart like urine pain like I now can see when someone writes something like that like. You're in pain. forgiveness but also for me like. I always say like. It's not the narrative right. Now with like body positivity which I have a lot of notes on hot takes on me to sit at such an says a wildly L. A. Problem that go to Walmart and Kansas City. There's no one's ever was fine but their bodies like I look at all my family members and they're like what we love. They love their bodies. Most men are married to heavier women. There they love it like I. Don't you know how you know? But as someone that had chronic eating disorders like I understand that side of it too. But there's now this new shame you know you're being shamed if you don't hate your body also it's very confusing But you know there's this sort of certainly social media thing now where it's like love yourself and love your about like. Why are you yelling at me? Like I can't just undo ten years of emotional and sexual abuse as a child because of your meam on your pod body positively me so now I feel bad that not only do I have insecurity about my body but also that I am insecure about my body. Because you're now mad. I'M NOT ALLOWED TO BE INSECURE ANYMORE. Right well also because your thin so you don't have the right to to it's kind of like when. I Dunno Amy Schumer date her movie and she wasn't ugly enough. Yeah that's right that's right. That's right guys. If we're only going for the worst you know what I'm like. That's her story that Suck Dick. Because you can't tell her what her story is. That's right and then also you know to me. It's not that right now. Women need to change their neural pathways overnight. And they're not allowed to self Democrat and you're not allowed to you know dislike your body. You're not like your body too much. It's it's not that women need to fix that part of ourselves especially my generation where that ship has kind of sailed like man just need to be more open about it. So it's not that we need to go down to repressing the way you guys have always had to. It's just you guys. You guys just need to come up and be as open about it. Yeah and Yeah. Yeah so that to me was so and also by the way my favorite part of it and this is the thing that I thought would be unifying when we tackle this and it wasn't as unifying in. This is what I thought would be. Great is that both of us are dead wrong. It's so great. It's so great. If you listened to Robin Kumail and we literally think looking like Arnold Schwarzenegger is the most attractive. We just listen for one second women do not like it but you watch Scharzenegger ads and I tried to tell Monica. I know as much as you think. People like models. I know guys guys do not like sure. Some guys who that will elevate their status in their mind in guys like fat asses and fat too. They WANNA fuck this notion that they want to climb onto a fuck in garden rake no not even true and not even sure love about doing that to other women in the fashion business thank you. That's what I got in trouble for that I was like Monica. I know what you're saying but I don't read fashion magazines even know these bottles names like men. Are you guys to look this way? I guess what we don't even know the people you're talking about we scarlet Johan's and that's where we wanNA faulk Ashley. Graham voted by the way Christina. Hendricks what are Kate Moss? Fuck out of here no. We're not no. Yeah so I just loved what I found so encouraging about it is like men are perpetuating into among ourselves and you women are perpetuating but for some reason I get it is a patriarchy and I acknowledge it. And there's an industry and their science and so I- knowledge at all. Fashion is not a patriarchy for the most part and I was just GonNa say mostly. It's y'all talking with y'all and us talking with us in the works really to be done kind of inter-gender -ly my opinion. It's really like guys need the Dick Thing to addicting. There are certainly size queens. There's no question there are women who really really want. The biggest possible. Don't argue that but majority majority they don't give a fuck yeah And and maybe even as many who love big dicks hate big dicks because it hurts so he is and it's a whole nightmare for for us guys. One hundred percent of US believe the bigger the Dick the better. So we're we're completely delusional. And it's all perpetuated by each other now women who are these women. These are people you the the women that you have seen say like. I like a big Dick. You've seen it on social media so these are already people that are trying to get attention by saying something sort of incendiary are bombastic or exaggerating. You know what I mean. It's what's this same Ole. We're joined from or I would say it is the time where are Patriarchy? Does infect your bubble because within our group. I'll nion elevated status because I have a big Dick. My buddies and the women can see that the women can see how the men look at the other men. Although all guys have seen each other six thousand percent I've always known the size in ranking of my penis size as compared to all my friends I seven years old. On gotTA GOTTA GOTTA GOTTA. I have no question about whose Dick his where even now getting older night. Don't do that. Yeah I think I have a pretty good gauge of WHO's got what. Wow there's signs because also women go both ways and maybe we're wrong women go. If a guy's super super confident he has a giantic or tiny. Dick it could go either way. It could go either right but I do think that especially like in high school. In your twenties the GAELS can recognize who all the guys are giving status quite often. The guys are giving stat. There could be a dude. Who's like a five? But he's got a fucking twelve inch hog the dudes. Love them this. Everyone loves the buddy with the twelve inch talk. Pull it out at parties. Everyone's get a look at it. It's known and all the other guys are worshiping and envious of that one guy in certain maybe other females can see that guy has the status the silverback and so in that way I could see they could be earnestly attracted to it. But it's just very convoluted and I don't know what if they are positive wider attracted to us. Because it's also I was reading there was You know I think for the most part I always am fascinated by you. Know what is sexual men have? It's it's Dick and hairline. Aren't those the main the main thing right? What's warming AB ABS? Our big thing but if I had to pick between bald and having a huge beer belly I'm sorry bald with an eight-pack or thick here and a beer belly. That's a very tough call for me because but there was a study that came out for your point before I think it was from University of Pennsylvania Women perceive men have shaved. Head not bald. Those are two different things as being more attractive than men with a full head of hair and my guess is it subconsciously. This is someone. Who's you know going against the grain risk taking like Jason? Tatum does find so. I love that theory. And that's probably like the kind of cultural social aspect but I do think there is an evolutionary thing that whether we're aware of it or not generally high testosterone levels are one result in baldness. Ooh That like like I'm on a hair loss. Preventative Pill and what? It does is blocks. Testosterone detro- hydroxy testosterone. That's how finesse ride works. One part of the testosterone that causes baldness so there could be another subconscious thing about that. There's there's an abundance of testosterone in front of me. Wow that's wild and again there's all these things that we are completely unaware of that are happening on a biological level and then to point them out is always dicey now yes. It adds current era Sound like sometimes people confuse an explanation with condoning which is not true. Yes that's right. That's always a frustrating to me. It's like there's a difference between an explanation and an excuse. Not Happy About Tiger Tiger Woods comes out and says I'm a sex addict. He's not saying so. I don't deserve for people to mad at me about my behavior. Just simply offering you the explanation of why risked his whole life to faulk. That was also interesting because it wasn't just sex. It was like girl it was like they had apartments. And they ha you know so. I'm always curious sort of the house of cards. We build to maintain our addictions. You know so people do think he was it making an excuse and I just didn't react that way I didn't none of that seemed fun to me. I'm like he's getting leashes he's cars. He's buying clothes like this guy. The Wall whack-a-mole. He has to play the he's one of two people. I really have compassion for him. And Lance Armstrong like. I can't imagine the horror of living in a house of cards that is built on top of one. Why you've just can't imagine the mental circus I'd be going through hourly that's so funny because the other day The seven the corning with I have ducks that are landing on my pool. Which is business like magical weird like thing for me and they landed on the pool at like four and then I went outside with the dogs at like eight and then I saw him in like eight. Oh I just saw the ducks and he goes just now in the dogs. Go after them and I was like it was a four. I lied. It wasn't just now I can't even go through like I just lied kind of Weird. Like one of my favorite stories is You know in like garages in like buildings. You need like a keycard. Yeah employ card yet. I was working on the TV show. And I took the employees card home by accident. And so the one of the producers was like. Hey I'm GONNA send my assistant over to pick up your car. Great come get it just you know. Having texting is outside. He takes me he goes. Hey my assistance outside you know. Can You bring the key card or leave? It didn't under the Mat and I was like well. It's Kinda hard to find. There's like a gates or do you want to just have him call me and he goes while it's me honey. This is like think you didn't even like a go. Like I would have driven around the block been like oh by system can find it all being there and a half an hour like Oh yeah. That immediately reminds me of my favorite story. I heard which was this guy had a business with a partner and he woke up incredibly hung over any call. And he's like I'm not going to be able to make it to this meeting them. Any goes what's going on. This is like the ten to one. You missed. And he goes and it was raining out and he goes. There's a huge hole in my roof and it's just flooding my kitchen so I have to deal with. This guy. Goes coming over to see it and hangs up the phone and the dude in a bad hangover win on. His roof is started chopping a hole in his room with a fucking hammer. The other news never even came over from an addiction in a nutshell. Oh it's so great. I can so see myself in that situation. I'm going to ask you a couple questions because I can't keep you forever. Unfortunately you have a family quick. We always asked us on the show. Because I feel like I've wasted a lot of my life ignoring red flags obviously in a relationship. You can do relationships or friendships. Because I think it's still important to be careful with friends. You let in your life. What are the major red flags that you in relationships or in friendships for you? I thought of a good one the other day. Ooh because it might start my mind I was gonna say I feel like I'm springing this on you Someone who wants to celebrate their birthday for a week. Oh that's a red flag. Someone who gossip so really quick. Yeah from what I've heard about you. I think you and I share in common. Which is in my family. The Way I showed love for you is to never be a drag on you. I linked to yourself. Self-dependence was the number one virtue in my household. 'cause in my mom's defense it was a single mother and three kids all the time middle middle interesting so the way. I show people that I love them is that I will never inconvenience them. Always have my shit handled. You'll never I'll never be a drag on you. That's like the ultimate way. I can show my legis so weird because the only way you can show love too codependent is to need me. Oh so you're actually you. Being needless to me is my nightmare. Yes wow what a fascinating dynamic. I never even thought of that part of it but I can tell you when people are that way like Wanna celebrate their birthday for a month. I just think if I said that that would be me telling you I don't value at all. I love you. I'm going to be a big fucking suck on your time and resources and I'm not going to give a fuck like that would be how I would show you. I have no respect for you. Wow but but I'm aware of it so I really have to remember when people say these things that most people love like acts of service like that's my wife's love language interesting her primary lack of services that you've never picked up a glass. I've left behind because I would never do that. I'd never put my problem on your plate right but I don't wash your dishes that that's what you do to show me that you love me is handle your shit. I WANNA pick up your cell bad failures wrong. Yeah and I don't WanNa pick up your cup. Yeah because that would be acknowledging you. Don't love me Yes. That's hey it's so convoluted that's true but but I just say in general like the number one thing that I I got to get better at I have to 'cause it 'cause I'm around people a lot. That habit is When I can just see neediness on someone sleeve I'm just I don't even WanNa be around. That's where the Halloween is needing to me is really really rough. It's like I go. That Pitt will never be filled. I don't want anything to do with it Which is a bummer. Because I do think there's a there's an incredibly thin in fine line between vulnerability in neediness. I always say like your goal in life is to figure out where that line isn't just staying inch on the vulnerability side but it's hard to navigate. But I think also you have to know how much you have to give you now. You have a wife you have children. You've got a big lifelike jobs. You don't have that much to give so. I think that like at a time where you're not shooting nine things and you're taking it's like okay this. I can have this needier person in my life because I'm more to give but when you have nothing to give There is just that is such a red flag also people that can't You know to me. That's a level of immaturity people who can't get their own internal needs men internally and look for external things is so repellent to me. Now what's interesting too is. My life has changed so dramatically that I have. I have different things to look out for than I ever needed to have to look out for younger. So weirdly enough. I couldn't befriend twenty two year. Old Dax yeah because I have such financial insecurity I count. Everyone's money endlessly. I'm counting yours during this interview. I'm like Oh she has a horse. Oh she has a pool literally was on the verge of going like how many stand up dates a year. Do you do it. How big are the like? Yeah I'm such a freak. Its pathological it's so unattractive but but I but I have it so the ranking I isn't it sort of were designed to rank you know to see our well. I don't feel any competition towards you so I don't think it's that it's that are how safe are you? I'm curious I'd say because I have this ever evolving definition of. Would it be to be safe financially? Yes mind you. I'll never get there a billion dollars. I'll find a way to still have phlegm too. Many million not enough. I recognize that. There's no logic behind it. It's just fear but I am curious like yeah. How SAFE IS WHITNEY? I wonder how safe is so and so so i. I know that I couldn't be friends with someone. That has the amount of money I have when I was twenty three. Yeah interesting with this. Did you do for your famous to? Oh God yeah. My family is obsessed with money. Like my mom. God bless her. She started a janitor working night shift at GM. In worked her way up super high quit started business it became super successful like Funk. Hustler go-getter a boss and money was everything for us in making money and you know so. I need to be aware that I can be triggering to certain people's fears and I don't necessarily want to be a part of that whole thing so like I'm saying I couldn't be friends with twenty-three-year-old me because twenty-three-year-old become indexes money. All the time would be resentful that I have it And I just have to be aware like I can't have anyone in my life or circle that I I'm just as source of resentment and insecurity. I don't I don't Wanna I don't WanNa play that role in someone's life forgive whatever impact it have on me. I don't WanNa be the thing that reminds you of your fear the whole time year round me. This is not comfortable for either of us. A part of the reason I don't I don't I look I try but I can't loan I basically if someone asks me to loan the money I'm like as long as you're cool with this relation going away because you're GonNa start to hate me. I am every time you see me. It's going to be like. Oh you think you're fucking. It's happening anytime I've ever loan someone money. I'm like I just have to be come to the fact that this relationship is probably going to end. Because I'm GONNA come all of a sudden we're not equals anymore. It's very very very very tricky. I I gotTa tell you my mom told me the best fucking thing ever so all those things are are there in. This doesn't deny those and I agree with you but my mom said to me. I was like venting because I supported my dad. The last eight years he was alive and we had a very tricky relationship to start with. So I hate it. I hate right now. Is Venting to my mother about it and she goes. We'll look on in life. You can be the person that asks for help or the person who gives out. Who would you rather be and I was like? Oh my God I can't stand asking for help so I should have so much gratitude that I'm the one that's being asked for how I can't I can't even do it. Wow so every now and then like when those situations arise which arise a lot The first thought I have is like man. I'm not the one making this call. I'm so glad I'm the one taken this call nothing make in this call and it just starts me on like a little bit of gratitude and then I just navigated a lot better. I'm throwing I'm going back for a second when you in Kristen started dating. Did you pay for dinners. Oh yeah so. There's no. She's not allowed to pay. I mean I'd prefer. She didn't. Yeah is it unattractive for yeah no no no no? I just let me back up to use a different example. I dated a Gal. That was a billionaire right before Kristin K. And I bought all of our meals hot and she goes at one point she goes. I have to tell you you're the first guy that's bought a meal with me and like four years just had dated rich dudes. I'm sorry I'm like old fashioned like if I can't at least by you fucking it's my own thing. It has nothing to do with you. I'm not saying you're you're you need my my fucking protection or anything. I'm saying that my self esteem is such that. That's that's part of my definition of being a grown up. Man Can take a woman to dinner and you pay whether you can afford it or not. That's what you do. I think that's with you. I think that's so awesome. And I'm I mean if we ever get to get out of this quarantine in a reasonable time. Dating again is so weird. Because it's like it there is. It's such a thing when the bill for you being a woman with money. I gotTa tell you the hardest hurdle I had with Kristen. After the beginning stuff was ironed out was when we met. I made more money than her. I had saved more money than her. And I've I felt very comfortable with that and then at a certain point. She started making way more money than I made. And that was hard for me. Love it I do not at all. Give faulk if we're out somewhere and more people know who she is. The main the faulk. I'm grateful please. Go Talk to her. But the money aspect. I was like no no. I'm what a loser I am. I'm supposed to be providing I'm supposed to be founded emasculating. It took me a while. I gotTa tell you. In fact what the the the solution was. We had children And for the first time ever I thought. Oh my kids are benefiting greatly from the fact that she makes more money than me and that's way more important than how I feel about it and it is all our money because we have one family and ask. It doesn't fucking matter. I completely let it all go to her heart why she can be so prolific and then. Here's the weird ironic secret of at all or the universe of it. All is that I finally accepted all that came to peace with it all and then last year. I think I made more money than what once I stop giving shit all of a sudden the irony is being able to say that out loud is part of why you'll make more money because you can admit that you hate that. She made more. It's like your honesty was your ticket and then I let it go because man hasn't. I'm sure you're aware of it too. It's like it's nuts what we can manifest without having any awareness of it. I really want you to watch this. Show too hot on Netflix. I'm watching at because I gotta say you meet one guy you meet a guy and what you find out about him. As the is heartbroken by his ex girlfriend who left him for his best friend and then by fucking God within three episodes he has become best friends with this dude at the house. I mean they have such a great connection. You're so excited for them. And then the girl he likes goes on a date. Bam I look at Chris. I'm like how how many times have you been left for your best friend in your life zero right me too. I bet this has happened to this guy. Four Times like the patterns people can manifest subconsciously it's astounding which is also I'm always in oscillating back and forth because I remember I was in a really like tricky relationship a total. I was dating my mom and dad in one person totally regressed to a five year old. Couldn't get out of a total trauma response and it's all. I was obsessed with the person. I was obsessed with the person. That's all I could think about all you talk about and we got to my therapist because we have to talk about things you have to release shame and I'm talk therapy in Dublin. And she's specialize as an addiction. She goes okay. Today's the last day you speak of him no talking about him for twenty days to anyone. Oh Yeah you didn't. We've now gotten to the point where you're Rian bedding these grooves in your brain and you're just gonNa keep gravitating this like you have to stop. This will never heal this this you know and I thought that was really interesting and you know we call it in program restraint of pen and tongue of like there are times when you know we spend all this time going like talk about your feelings but there's Times where you have to shut the fuck up about your feelings because you're just manifesting the reality over and over again. Well though the one that blew my mind was sponsoring this guy a couple of years ago and he called me. I bet five or six different times within three months where he and I don't he wasn't line. He kept witnessing these situations where like some guy got out of his car was yelling at a woman in her car and he had intervene and then he caught a guy taking pictures of women up. Thir- skirt on the beach and he had to intervene and I was like listen to me. I know that this is happening but I can also tell you that I used to define myself. One of the things in the core components of my identity was I will protect you. And that's why people like me and guess and guess what. I was in a fight once a month protecting somebody and guess what now that. I've decoupled that I don't see it anymore. There's no way the world change but lo and behold. I'm not seeing the guy yelling at a woman at the stoplight anymore. I don't know why I'm like I'm telling you that's me with other other. People aren't having to rescue people all the time. That's my thing with dogs. Have like I get off the street and every time I drive downtown. I see a dog. And everyone's like we. Don't we drive the same route and we don't see dogs. I'm looking for it. I want to rescue the dog so I can get the adrenaline and I can be a hero and I say something and have some meaning and fucking like myself because I rescued a dog. I mean I would find them like on the one people. I drove that route. I didn't see it. Yeah listen if one of the best parts about us that you rescue dogs then you gotta rescue some fucking dogs. I had to have two people find a way to fucking do. That's why I think anything's possible and I'm not one. I'm thinking is tricky when like celebrities are somewhere and people are asking. How can I make it? I'm always like I mean what I really WanNa say is like. It probably can't be done. I didn't have to happen to me. I was never the personally. I'm GONNA make it. I think it's a big accident and there was a clerical error that I I don't know I I I. I'm so pessimistic about but I'll see people manipulate these patterns. That are so complicated that they can find themselves in the same fucking cycle again. That's like a Goddamn T- ten part fucking show on Netflix. Like the levels in the twists and turns. And it's the same if you can manipulate that. Nfs That then. I think you can manifest anything. It is wild. I mean I'm not to bring a vision board but you know like we cloud on vision boards a lot but I just moved and found my old one from like dome years ago and Sure Enough. It is wild. I mean granted. It's a was like before I even started stand up it was like Letterman Leno and Conan. Everyone that we're like friends with now. I mean it was a little you know. I never know if it's like this is manifested this 'cause I made it or the type of person that would make. This was already going to make it anyway. Because Right. You know like yeah. It's like the kind of person that takes vitamins healthy 'cause they take the vitamins or they was what's healthy. They went to the store and got him and that means they the way you do. Anything is the way you do. Everything probably can for themselves in a Lotta ways. Yes but if if the cornerstone of your identity is at. Whitney's funny that has to be confirmed daily hourly and then it has to be confirmed on a level that becomes in arguable. You've got all tricky. Because again we would. Both I think admit that all these pathologies also gave us every single thing I still want to hold onto. That's all my advice. Also isn't like get healthy at twenty? I almost think if I got healthy at twenty I wouldn't have what the fuck would I do. That's right that's right and I want to add to the thing you said about you know. Just you know to not over. Pathology is like you in this moment. You know because we're so self examined. Sometimes I think it's like you know some things you know. I like that doesn't have to be a defect. Maybe that's why I always tried to figure out what's a character defect. What's nature what's nurture? What's biological but in a relationship I after I became like solvent financially or at least people thought I was solvent. Which you know always happens way after everyone else thinks we have money. Everyone thinks you know you're on an MTV show for ten episodes and you have a billion dollars seven thirty. The worst thing in my life is getting famous from punked because go to bars a thirty percent of the people knew me in there and I had like a grandmother my name too great an episode to episode and took a year to film eight episodes. Like I mean fucking sixteen thousand dollars to be broken. Famous is its own the cruelest thing. It's so fucked girls like like. Yeah I WANNA come back to your place in your the woods back to my apartment which was a fucking one bedroom dump in Santa Monica. Oh but no I was dating this guy who We were together and then I started making money and as soon as I started making money sexually. It got very weird I was I was getting choked. I was getting the hair it was like. Oh I have to find another way to be dominant. I have to you know the The emasculation had happened and it was literally like overnight. There was an announcement in the trades that you know I had sold something and then instill okay why that is so primal right so look I had no compulsion to manhandle. Kristin do not show America's sweetheart no but I certainly think wanting to have a power with other women my in my interest. Certainly I think that that that was that easily was of fuel to want to feel my powers elsewhere interesting and then that's wild. Can I ask you because I know this is a really obvious question that I still struggle with thirty seven years old? How do you know your in love with someone? I know you said you loved Kristen at a restaurant. How are you like? Oh that's love not lost. That's love not infatuation like I'm in love with her. Well this is a I have an answer for an and it runs the risk of sounding unromantic or not nice to Kristen and that is not my intention. This is just the truth so I've been with a girl for five years in high school and Outta high school and then a with a girl for nine years both those girls. I saw them and I thought I was. GonNa fucking throw up like Oh my God. I'm this is my cellular soul mate and both were great relationships like I'm no regret that great relationships and I feel proud that I could go nine years in my twenties as an addict so it's amazing but Chris and I did not have that fireworks with at all. She did not have those fireworks. I would argue is just being triggered we call it fireworks Tashin. Oh it's familiarity we yes. It's it feels familiar. Mistake it for Love My Papa so I was thirty two when we met and I right or wrong headed my head that the next person I put the time in with Hasta result kids because I want kids awesome so when you make that your goal then the list of qualities. You're looking for just changed dramatically. So I didn't have any of those fireworks like this woman is so nurturing allergies so nurturing look all these dogs she has. I fucking hate dogs. I don't want to live with dogs. Why would you live with animals? Like don't literally conceptually can't comprehend why someone thinks that they should invite animals from outside. I'm playing earth into their hall. It doesn't even make sense. I mean I know there's a ten thousand year old relationship with dogs and they served a purpose at one point i. It's just preposterous now. That's sad though I could see the value and what that Hart was. Even though it didn't make any sense to me and I saw all the people took care of in her life and all this stuff that I thought. Oh my God could that be a better mother two children and then secondly I thought at thirty two what I really WanNa be thinking like. Who am I going to have a blast talking to my life and this bitch did voices and she could soon mayor show like yes. I'm like oh. This GAL is a party but all all the right reasons. Yeah she didn't ask was looking for the hair color. I thought I needed or all these other things and then I never package. You think it's going to come in. Yeah my my list. Just flipped and I have other friends who've like they have expressed the desire to be married and have kids and I'm like but man you gotta flip still like they'll say to me like the sexes blink. Blink an Mike Dude. I should hear about the sex. Like seventh really want is a wife. I should hear about the sex seventh because the sex can change you guys. Maybe don't communicate about it. That can be. What are you? GonNa fucking retool someone's personality whether their nurturing or not to kid. You're GONNA fix that. You can fix fucking right right. You can't fix that other stuff. Anyways I ended the best sex in my limited experience after you know what I mean. It's like you're gonNA have to pivot someone sick of fucking scarlet on imaginable. Every guy has said it to me and it always makes me cringe but it also is comforting up for every model. There's a guy whose ticker fucking like it savage Alina Jolie was like. I don't need that Brad Pitt. Dick Anymore comprehend. Yeah how could you not want cheated on Halle Berry? I love her and I'm so sorry that that happened to her but like a couple times a week at like gets me out of bed Yeah yes so. I don't know I think like you gotTa Kinda invert your list now. Let's just say minimally if if you're not with someone long-term in married with kids you must. I acknowledge whatever method you've been using hasn't Mozelle doesn't have the results you're after so what you know. Something has to be wrong with the game plan if the results are the same every time but that is a great for me like the way that I wanNA thank. I mean it seems like I'm putting words in your mouth and please tell me if I'm wrong. It's like you stop looking for a girlfriend. You started looking for a wife. You stop looking for a girlfriend you start looking for the mother of your kids. Yeah Yeah and get real clear. They got yeah they get pretty darn clear. Like if you like your par- you meet a girl. She's fucking hot and she's fun and she's a blast. She doesn't work and she hasn't worked for three years. Is that the model. You want your children to see. It's so simple. I don't want my children to be modeling themselves off. Yes or someone who is not engaged in life at all and the new the new definition of love is. Can you be in one house with someone for five months strange? I mean you pick the right students even for us. The first three weeks where the icy talking about having a refigure out like how we duck in and out of things. It's like it needed a revamp. Got One you know wild Do you ever play Word Association. No it's such a dumb thing you WanNa do it. Of course I think I have no attachment to how this ever like. I never over think this like we sometimes do like some silly like Freudian like the shit that Carl young did and Freud dead just a fumble around in Jong was big on the Word Association. Stuff where you'll find out why you're hysterical and why I like but play. We'll figure that out. I think we're GONNA nail it okay. So basically you're just go. I'm I I've made. You'll just gonNa say the first thing that comes your mind. Okay easy bake ahead canoeing sacrifice parenting skin titties baby titties. We might not get cities. Not Now that I'm thinking about them. The comedic actor Martin Mall Tonight of course so I just worked with Melissa Smith and he told me he said there's a guy at a used car lot kicking the tires on this car and the car salesman comes out to him and he says thinking about buying a new car he goes no. I'm thinking about women but yeah I need to cars really sums it all. Uh I've been thinking about women have come to terms with my pervious like I befriended my per Venus and oh it's an appreciation. It doesn't always have to be gross while listen. Here's where it gets into what we were just talking about like what's a character defect. What is your plight so I had this the most amazing Dr Alex Caucus No? Oh on your podcast. Yes I south. And she's a sex addiction specialists and she's brilliant and I said I asked her the question. You know who's to say what someone's Kink if someone has a kink and it's obviously been induced by trauma right all that may be known and you might acknowledge that but that take away the fact that it feels pleasurable to the person so should the person just because they found out that there is rooted in trauma denied themselves the Kink in the pleasure and she goes. It's so simple if there is shame and secrecy around it. Then yes if there's not the nose so what's interesting to me is. I am to pervy like by most measures. I'm to pervy. All my jokes are sexual all them on talk about his assholes and penises and declared she is less per because it's overt like the people that don't make those jokes that I worry about right and so I have to say okay. Well I was molested. So you know I might have some hyper sexuality as a result of that and that may be true but that doesn't matter to me at this point it's kind of like why am I into motorcycles while I'm in a motorcycles because I didn't have a data around and I did anything that was hyper male approval but I now I love them so it doesn't really matter that the reason I became interested in them as rooted in some pal the truth is I do enjoy in love it even though I recognize where it comes from so yeah. I'm always trying to walk the line of like what what amount of my per venous is. Okay what amount of it is. It is weird because occasionally I. I wonder if this happens to you once in a blue moon. I'm around someone that's actually more pervy than me. And you and I can feel the awkwardness it induces with other people and I'm like Oh fuck I'm never on this side of it. I have to acknowledge it is. It is rough for people sometimes to hear like really really late and sexual stuff but I I so rarely experience where someone else's too much for me but that's how you find. Your people are people. You're not my tribe. You're just my we're not on the same frequency but I think two things number one sex is just funny. 'cause it's taboo to everyone and that's what comedy is saying the most surprising brave unexpected thing so everyone made sex jokes all the time. You'd probably be making you know really grocery stores. You would go full regan or Sebastian. Back to the basics. Yeah so it's like it's sort of like you being you know not making sexual because the reason I am making jokes but also think having had sexual abuse past too. I think there's also a way of going like I'm not GonNa let this be weird. Someone else made sex weird for me and I won't I like this is how I'm GonNa a guest take my power back into the only can think to say but like I'm not GonNa let this be gross. I'm not gonNa let this eat at me to make people laugh with this trauma like the the the cake is baked. Yeah I can't fuck intake that ingredient out also butts are fucking funny dude yes yes. Oh my got penises. Are My favorite fucking thing to see always every time it's US comedic fucking righteous gemstones. The fact that he makes his speech and behind him pause we saw. I love it. It's the most Awkward Protrude Gillis ridiculous. There's they're like snowflakes like everyone's a little difference there that's the other thing she's like bodies are so dumb. Oh Yeah I said to Monica the are you telling me you don't WanNa see every one of our friends bare naked hit pause and literally inspect jacket nece without making them uncomfortable them knowing it's happening but if I could pause I would inspect everybody's naked body that I know I ever read. Who is the greatest and he always kills me like goes so far crossed the line and I just love it. He had a baby and adorable daughter and I was gone with your baby or whatever and he was like. Oh it's Kinda rough like she. Has these like growths. Inside her butthole. And it's like this whole thing I know and we have to get looked at and I was awful going on and on. And he's like yeah. I just felt a Monday and you know and I was like. Oh that's off like I didn't figure my baby's asshole like what do I wasn't even thinking through it like there's just sort of. Oh well you know when you end up bureau you'll have to confront it. I guess that's why I've thought about it so much lately. Is that once you have kids. You're around other parents and kids as awkward questions. And and you're you're hearing how other parents are treating it and then bell and I happened to be like just Yup. A sperm comes out at Eddie's penis and fertilizes Mommy's Alva intra vaginal there. But then you're like Oh. Is that freaked out the other parents or you just kind of have to you have to confront and be aware of like you're passing it on right and and something that I remember my There is also just like childhood trauma stuff and she said literally the worst thing you can do to a child is not make a sex joke or not saving China. It's when you're changing diapers. Don't go It's like what we put that body. Shame on baby ads such a young age when they poop go and they just see something down there is wrong. Or Oh interesting yeah. Luckily I'm such a PERV too. I was like Oh my God. I'm celebrating generally when I look at this fucking mess but I think that for me. I tried to explain You know in a relationship once with a guy who didn't accept my purview is sort of like in. Rwanda you want me to keep it a secret number two like you should take. It is such a compliment that I'm ogling all these people coming home with you like I'm still choosing you know yes. We'll argument the tricky argument. It is it is. I'll tell you why because I remember. I dated a girl who was like. Oh in my drawer. I have handcuffs and Blah Blah Blah Costales right and so in all honesty what it made immediately I was like Oh fuck. I'm going to let her down because I don't have a desire to put her in handcuffs But I'll do anything but I'm GONNA do it poorly. I'M NOT GONNA be able to satiate this person's kink and so it if if not worded correctly and it should be your responsibility. But I'm just saying if you have a partner in you and you WanNa do shit there. I just think the way you roll it out is really important because the one who's make someone feel insecure that they can't please you. Yes but I you. You can't have a big trunk. You cannot have your pleasure. You have to pretend it's knew that's that's where you know it's funny. There's this kind of like meditation teacher that I worked with for a while by the way even when you said my purpose like I know. I'm a fucking per listened stuff I would wanNA do. Everyone I would that I would think is like could be polarizing yet just hearing you say you're like Oh fuck are there. Is there farther limits to pervy news? That I wouldn't be able to meet her. It just happens immediately. You're intimidating kink. Is Maybe pathologising yourself so you just had to get mad at. You're not being good enough in that moment. I won't be able to get the approval. I'm looking for right which I think there's this thing of you know when you first start dating someone in my opinion and starting to date again for me is going to be very weird because it's always that thing where you never want somebody to be too good at anything you want them to also be good at it. So that's the pretending just comes in and I know that this is probably polarizing but I took this attachment strategy class where you work on your attachment style. Because I'm preoccupied and then fearful avoidance but if I'm with someone preoccupied dismissive the whole thing so it's sort of like to rewire your brain. He was explaining. Like I was what you do like if your partner is talking about something boring and you don't care you know I have to like be authentic and saddled carriers. No you have to pretend you're interested and I remember being like but that's lying. He's like I don't know. Relationships are is not about relentless honesty. It is a Balance of sort of omissions. And sometimes you have to pretend and that's okay. Oh it's all about meaning your partner's needs like and and that's hard for me because I'm so like honesty is number one but that's not true if my goal is harmony and making someone else feel safe then You know honestly camping number one in some situations isn't saying you're boring. I don't WanNa hear this. I'm not attracted to you today. That's not honesty. That's me right so I occasionally. An automotive video is so good. I've seen on instagram. That I have to include Kristen in God bless her. She acts like she likes it. And then I watch a video of someone rescuing a dog and the dog getting healthier and I hate it Chris. I are very similar and I celebrate this dog wellbeing at the end of this. Because she wants to share thing she loved with me. It's not the time for me to tell her I don't like it. Or She's accumulating. Let her share it with me. She's accumulating evidence on your ring. Kammer of you scoffing at a dog. Transformation video to take the kids later in court. Motherfucker couldn't even be happy that a dog was returned to help. Need I say more monster? Okay well you fail the Word Association Game. I would say with flying colors as you should. What a dream. I could talk to you but I can't. I love you so much in this was like such a treat and you made the so fun and easy. You're my first. Whatever the fuck this is I was so not wanting to do it. And then why was seeing you on? Instagram expressed this issue and I reached out to you and said you just did mind. Can I help? I don't do that often. I was I was freedom from thinking about myself for a full forty five seconds which was euphoric. And thank you for letting me be a part of this big service. Big Big Service Service Dude. You're so awesome. Okay I love you. I'll see you soon. I hope I'm GonNa send you a bunch of horse videos to show you how awesome they can be okay and then text me or email so I can email you this file from this recorder. Oh great awesome. Yeah the best. Thank you for your quarantine you do. Okay we'll talk to you.

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Who Would Win Kamala Khan AKA Ms. Marvel vs Lady Shiva

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Who Would Win Kamala Khan AKA Ms. Marvel vs Lady Shiva

"The underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the center of the ring the assassin known as Lady Sheba. Glares up at the crowd? Will no one dare to face me all of you? Cowards were just most of you. It is then that the masked figure known as MS Marvel tumbles into the arena. Oops I think I took a wrong turn now. We will fight okay. That's fine. I guess and with pop of her gum. This battle is underway. It's the ambig- inner versus Jade Canary. It's the Muslim girl versus master woman. It's Kamala Khan versus Lady Chiba episode of. Who would win a show? That completely ignores anything important. Happening in the world and said focuses on a fictional battle between two characters. From the world's comic SCI FI and fantasy I'm your host James Gadsden as always I'm joined by my co host raised Aquinas rate. Today's matchup a battle that I'm pretty sure no one has ever thought which blows my mind. Because you know we put as I've said many times way too much thought into these battles and these two characters fighting each other just in my mind makes sense. We talk about a battle that maybe would never happen. This seems like one of those battles. That totally would happen to interesting and creative results. Well here's a cool thing. I actually whenever we come with the match up. You know I go to something Ray. I'm not sure if you've heard of it's called Google and what. Yeah okay so like ask Jeeves. Sure it's a little bit more than that but you know I put it in the battle and typically I. I'm surprised because all say like when we're battles like Leonardo versus. Buffy the vampire slayer grateful all of a sudden. There's a million people have been talking about it. Unicom versus star same thing million two million people talking about it I typed in lady she versus Kamala Khan No results nothing are asking trend. Starting the trend so with all of our matches that are seem really really unconventional. For some reason though this mash makes so much sense. So Ray before. I give you my insights. Why do you think this match works on so many different levels? I think I stuff. We talk about the power level of both of these characters. They would both be considered upper street. Here power level characters. So we're not talking about to planet collider's but we're also talking about one is a master assassin who has hardcore Ninja skills but no necessary superpowers. And we have another person who has some superpowers. But they're not necessarily always their creative superpowers they're not super strength super speed super endurance. So we have sort of just a nice contrast of styles again a roughly the same power level with two characters. That would totally be at odds with each other. Well speaking of someone who can probably wrap their head around something unconventional and make it have complete sense to everyone. We have an amazing first timer on the show as a judge is a host of the eight inches high off. Show the only talk show with dolls. It's Eve are thank you so much for being on the show it is my pleasure and you barely know me and you wrapped me up in a perfect little package. You ever meet someone and you're like this person there's some gravitas. There's there's there's significance there. They have presence. That's you last week. What we say. Tell us how familiar are you with these characters With the underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the center of the ring. The assassin known as lady. Shiva glares up at the crowd will no one dare to face me? Are All of you cowards? Were just most of you. It is then that the mast figur- known as MS Marvel tumbles into the arena. Oops I think I took the underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the center of the ring the assassin known as Lady Sheba. Glares up at the crowd will no one dare to face me are all of you? Cowards were just most of you. It is then that the masked figure known as MS Marvel tumbles into the arena. Oops I think I took a wrong turn now. We will fight okay. That's fine I guess. And with a pop of her gum. This battle is underway. It's the bigger versus Jade Canary. It's the Muslim girl versus master woman. It's Kamala Khan versus ladies Chievo. Who Wayne Welcome to episode of. Who would win a show? That completely ignores anything important happening in the world and instead focuses on a fictional battle between two characters from the worlds of comic SCI FI and fantasy. I'm your host James Gaz as always I'm joined by my co host. Raised Aquinas Ray. Today's matchup is a battle that I'm pretty sure. No one has ever thought which blows my mind. Because you know we put as I've said many times way too much thought into these battles and these two characters fighting each other. Just in my mind makes sense. We talk about you know a battle that would never happen. This seems like one of those battles totally would happen to interesting and creative results. Well here's a cool thing. I actually whenever we come with the match up. You know I go to something Ray. I'm not sure if you've heard of it's called Google and what. Yeah okay so ask Jeeves. Sure it's a little bit more advanced but I put in the battle and typically. I'm surprised because say like when we're battles like Leonardo versus about the vampire slayer create all of a sudden. There's a million people have been talking about it. Unicom versus desktop. Same thing million two million people talking about it. I typed in Lady Sheva Verses Kamala Khan no results. Nothing are a trend. Starting the trend so with all of our matches that are seem really really unconventional for some reason though this mash makes so much sense so rape before. I can give you my insights. Why do you think this match works on so many different levels? I think first off we talk about the power level of both of these characters they would both be considered upper street. Tear power level characters. So we're not talking about to plant collider's but we're also talking about one is a master assassin who has hardcore Ninja skills but no necessary superpowers. And we have another person who has some superpowers. But they're not necessarily always their creative superpowers they're not super strength super speed super endurance. So we have sort of just a nice contrast of styles again. Roughly the same power level with two characters. That would totally be at odds with each other. Well speaking of someone who can probably wrap their head around something unconventional and make it have complete sense to everyone. We have an amazing first timer. On the show as a judge is the host of the eight inches high talkshow. The only talk show with dolls. It's Eve are thank you so much for being on the show it is my pleasure and you barely know me and you wrapped me up in a perfect little package. You know you ever meet someone and you're like this person. There's some Gravitas. There's there's there's significance there. They have presence. That's you last. Well that's what we say. Tell us how familiar are you with these characters with these particular characters? I am not very familiar. I'm of course familiar with Ms Marvel as it was the introduction of Mystique in the original run so I actually was able to find one for like fifty cents but it was torn so it wasn't worth much money late the underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the center of the ring. The assassin known as Lady Sheba. Glares up at the crowd will no one dare to face me? Are All of you cowards? Were just most of you. It is then that the mast figure known as MS Marvel tumbles into the arena. Oops I think I took a wrong turn now. We will fight okay. That's fine. I guess and with pop of her gum. This battle is underway. It's the ambiguous versus Jade Canary. It's the Muslim girl versus master woman. It's Kamala Khan versus Lady Chiba today. Episode of WHO would win a show that completely ignores anything important happening in the world and said focuses on a fictional battle between two characters from the world's comic SCI FI and fantasy. I'm your host James Gadsden as always I'm joined by my co host raised Aquinas rate. Today's matchup is a battle that I'm pretty sure. No one has ever thought which blows my mind. Because you know we put as I've said many times way too much thought into these battles and these two characters fighting each other just in my mind make sense. We talk about a battle. That would never happen. This seems like one of those battles. That totally would happen to interesting and creative results. Well here's a cool thing. I actually whenever we come with the match up. You know I go to something. I'm not sure if you've called Google and what. Yeah okay so ask Jeeves. Sure it's a little bit more advanced but I put in the battle and typically I am surprised because all say like when we're battles Leonardo versus. Buffy the vampire slayer creek all of a sudden. There's a million results. People have been talking about it. Unicom versus star same thing millions two million people talking about it. I typed in Lady Sheva versus Kamala Khan No results nothing. Dr Pinkus friend starting the trend so with all of our matches at our seem really really unconventional for some reason though this mash makes so much sense so rape before. I kinda give you my insights. Why do you think this match works on so many different levels? I think I stuff. We talk about the power level of both of these characters. They would both be considered upper street. Tear power level characters. So we're not talking about to planet collider's but we're also talking about one is a master assassin who has hardcore Ninja skills but not necessarily superpowers. And we have another person who has some superpowers. But they're not necessarily always their creative superpowers. They'RE NOT SUPER STRENGTH SUPER SPEED. Super Endurance. So we have sort of just a nice contrast of styles again a roughly the same power level with two characters. That would totally be at odds with each other. Well speaking of someone who can probably wrap their head around something unconventional and make it have complete sense to everyone. We have an amazing first timer. On the show as a judge is the host of the eight inches high talkshow. The only talk show with dolls. It's Eve are thank you so much for being on the show. It is my pleasure and you. Don't you barely know me and you wrapped me up in a perfect little package? You ever meet someone and you're like this person there's some gravitas. There's there's there's significance there. They have presence. That's you say. Tell us. How familiar are you with these characters? with these particular characters. I am not very familiar. I am of course familiar with Ms Marvel as it was the introduction of Mystique in the original run so I actually was able to find one for like fifty cents but it was torn so it wasn't worth much money late the underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the center of the ring the assassin known as Lady Sheba glares up at the crowd will no one dare to face me all of you cowards. Or just most of you. It is then that the masked figure known as MS Marvel tumbles into the arena. Oops I think I took a wrong turn now. We will fight okay. That's fine I guess. And with a pop of her gum. This battle is underway. It's the ambiguous versus Jade Canary. It's the Muslim girl versus master woman. It's Kamala Khan Versus Ladies Chiba today. Who WERE EPISODE OF? Who would win a show? That completely ignores anything important happening in the world and instead focuses on a fictional battle between two characters from the worlds of comic SCI FI and fantasy. I'm your host James Gadsden as always I'm joined by my co host raised Aquinas rate. Today's matchup is a battle that I'm pretty sure no one has ever thought of which blows my mind because we put as I've said many times way too much thought into these battles and these two characters fighting each other just in my mind makes sense we talk about you know a battle that maybe would never happen. This seems like one of those battles. That totally would happen to interesting and creative results. Well here's a cool thing. I actually whenever we come up with the match up. You know I go to something Ray. I'm not sure it's called Google and what. Yeah okay so like ask Jeeves. Sure it's a little more than that but I put it in the battle and typically I. I'm I'm surprised because all say like when we're battles Leonardo versus about the vampire slayer great falls on. There's a million results people have been talking about it. Unicom versus best are same thing two million people talking about it I typed in Lady Sheva versus Kamala Khan no results nothing not a trend starting the trend so with all of our matches that are seem really really unconventional for some reason though this makes so much sense so ray before I give you my insights why do you think this match works on so many different levels I think for stuff we talk about the power level of both of these characters they would both be considered upper street tear power level characters so we're not talking about to planet collider's but we're also talking about one is a master assassin who has hardcore Ninja skills but no necessary superpowers and we have another person who has some superpowers but they're not necessarily always their creative superpowers they're not super strength super speed super endurance so we have sort of just a nice contrast of styles again of roughly the same power level with two characters that would totally be at odds with each other well speaking of someone who can probably wrap their head around something unconventional and make it have complete sense to everyone we have an amazing first timer on the show as a judge is the host of the eight inches high off. Show the only talk show with dolls. It's Eve eve. Thank you so much for being on the show. It is my pleasure and you. Don't you barely know me and you wrapped me up in a perfect little package? You ever meet someone and you're like this person there's some gravitas. There's there's there's significance there. They have presence. That's you last week. Well it's what we say. Tell us how familiar are you with these characters with these particular characters? I am not very familiar. I am of course familiar with Ms Marvel as it was the introduction of Mystique in the original run so I actually was able to find one for fifty cents but it was torn so it wasn't worth much money late the underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the center of the ring. The assassin known as Lady Sheba. Glares up at the crowd will no one dare to face me? Are All of you cowards? Were just most of you. It is then that the mast figure known as MS Marvel tumbles into the arena. Oops I think I took a wrong turn now. We will fight okay. That's fine I guess. And with a pop of her gum. This battle is underway. It's the ambiguous versus Jade Canary. It's the Muslim girl versus master woman. It's Kamala Khan versus lady. Chievo episode of who would win show that completely ignores anything important happening in the world and instead focuses on the fictional battle between two characters from the worlds of comic SCI FI and fantasy. I'm your host James Gadsden as always I'm joined by my co host raised Aquinas rate. Today's matchup is a battle that I'm pretty sure. No one has ever thought which blows my mind. Because we put as I've said many times way too much thought into these battles and these two characters fighting each other just in my mind makes sense we talk about you know a battle that maybe would never happen. This seems like one of those battles. That totally would happen to interesting and creative results. Well here's a cool thing. I actually whenever we come up with a match up you know I go to something. I'm not sure if you've heard of it's called Google and what you're yeah okay so like ask Jeeves. Sure it's a little bit more advanced in that but you know I put in the battle and typically I. I'm surprised because you know say like when we're battles like Leonardo verses about the vampire slayer great. There's a million results. People have been talking about it. Unicom versus desktop are same thing millions two million people talking about it I typed in Lady Sheva versus Kamala Khan No results nothing. Our friend starting the trend so with all of our matches that are seem really really unconventional for some reason though this match makes so much sense so rape before I give you my insights. Why do you think this match works on so many different levels? I think for stuff we talk about the power level of both of these characters they would both be considered upper street. Tear power level characters. So we're not talking about to planet collider's but we're also talking about one is a master assassin who has hardcore Ninja skills but no necessary superpowers. And we have another person who has some superpowers. But they're not necessarily always their creative superpowers they're not super strength super speed super endurance. So we have sort of just a nice contrast of styles again of roughly the same power level with two characters that would totally be at odds with each other. Well speaking of someone who can probably wrap their head around something unconventional and make it have complete sense to everyone. We have an amazing first-timer on the show as a judge is the host of the eight inches high off. Show the only talk show with dolls. It's Eve as far. Thank you so much for being on the show. It is my pleasure and you. Don't you barely know me and you wrapped me up in a perfect little package? You ever meet someone and you're like this person. There's some gravitas significance there. They have presence. That's you that's what we say. Tell us how familiar are you with these characters with these particular characters? I am very familiar. I am of course familiar with Ms Marvel as it was the introduction of Mystique in the original run so I I actually was able to find one fifty but it was torn so it wasn't worth much money late the underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the center of the ring. The assassin known as lady. Shiva glares up at the crowd. Will no one dare to face me are all of you? Cowards or just most of it is then that the mast figure known as MS Marvel tumbles into the arena. Oops I think I took a wrong turn now. We will fight okay. That's fine I guess. And with a pop of her gum. This battle is underway. It's the ambiguous versus Jade Canary. It's the Muslim girl versus master woman. It's Kamala Khan versus ladies. Jeeva today who? You're welcome episode of. Who would win a show? That completely ignores anything important in the world and instead focuses on a fictional battle between two characters from the worlds of Comics. Sci Fi and fantasy. I'm your host James Gadsden as always I'm joined by my co host raised Aquinas rate. Today's matchup is a battle that I'm pretty sure. No one has ever thought which blows my mind. Because we put as I've said many times way too much thought into these battles and these two characters fighting each other just in my mind makes sense we talk about you know a battle that maybe would never happen. This seems like one of those battles. That totally would happen to interesting and creative results. Well here's a cool thing. I actually whenever we come up with a match up. You know I go to something Ray. I'm not sure if you've heard of it's called Google and what. Yeah okay so like ask. 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Who has some superpowers? But they're not necessarily always their creative superpowers they're not super strength super speed super endurance. So we have sort of just a nice contrast of styles again of the same power level with two characters. That were totally. Be At odds with each other. Well speaking of someone who can probably wrap their head around something unconventional and make it have complete sense to everyone. We have an amazing first-timer on the show as a judge is the host of the eight inches high off. Show the only talk show with dolls. It's Eve s Barr. Thank you so much for being on the show it is my pleasure and you barely know me and you wrapped me up in a perfect little package. You ever meet someone and you're like this person. There's some Gravitas. There's there's there's significance there. They have presence. That's you last week. Well that's what we say. Tell us how familiar are you with these characters all with these particular characters? I am not very familiar. I am of course familiar with Ms Marvel as it was the introduction of Mystique in the original run so I I actually was able to find fifty cents but it was torn so it wasn't worth much money late the underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the center of the ring the assassin known as Lady Sheba. Glares up at the crowd will no one dare to face? Are All of you cowards? Just most of you. It is then that the masked figure known as MS Marvel tumbles into the arena. Hoops I think I took a wrong turn. Now we will fight okay. That's fine I guess. And with a pop of her gum. This battle is underway. It's the ambiguous versus Jade Canary. It's the Muslim girl versus master woman. It's Kamala Khan versus ladies. Jeeva another episode of. Who would win a show? That completely ignores anything important happy in the world and instead focuses on a fictional battle between two characters from the worlds of Comics. Sci Fi and fantasy. I'm your host James Gadsden as always I'm joined by my co host raised Aquinas rate. Today's matchup is a battle that I'm pretty sure no one has ever thought which blows my mind. Because we as I've said many times way too much thought into these battles and these two characters fight each other just in my mind makes sense we talk about you know a battle that maybe would never happen. This seems like one of those battles. That totally would happen to interesting and creative results. Well here's a cool thing. I actually whenever we come up with the match up you know I go to something. I'm not sure if you've heard of it's called Google and what. Yeah okay so like ask Jeeves. A sure it's a little bit more advanced in that but I put in the battle and typically I. I'm surprised because you know say like when we're battles like Leonardo versus about the vampire slayer if all of a sudden there's a million results people have been talking about it. Unit crime versus desktop are same millions plus two million people talking about it I typed in lady Shiva versus Kamala Khan No results nothing. Nobody OUR FRIEND STARTING. The trend so with all of our matches seem really really unconventional. For some reason though this mash makes so much sense. So Ray before I give you my. Why do you think this match works on so many different? I think I stuff. We talked about the power level of both of these characters. They would both be considered upper street. Tier lower level characters. So we're not talking about to planet collider's but we're also talking about one is a master assassin who has hard coordinator skills but no necessary superpowers and we have another person. Who has superpowers? But they're not necessarily always their creative superpowers they're not super strength super speed super endurance. So we have sort of just a nice contrast of styles again of roughly the same power level with two characters that would totally be at odds with each other. Well speaking of someone who can probably wrap their head around something unconventional and make it have complete sense to everyone. We have an amazing first time on the show as a judge is a host of the eight inches high talk. Show the talk show dolls. It's Eve as far. Thank you so much for being on the show it is my pleasure and you barely know me and you wrapped me up in a perfect little package. You ever meet someone and you're like this person there are some gravitas. There's there's significance there. They have presence. That's you well. That's what we say. Tell us how familiar are you with these characters With these particular characters. I am not very familiar. I'm of course familiar with Ms Marvel as it was the introduction of Mystique in the original run so I actually was able to like fifty cents but it was torn so it wasn't worth much money. Late the underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the center of the ring. The assassin known as Lady Sheba. Glares up at the crowd will no one dare to face me? Are All of you cowards? Just of you. It is then that the masked figure known as MS Marvel tumbles into the arena. Oops I think I took a wrong turn now. We will fight okay. That's fine I guess. And with a pop her gum. This battle is underway. It's the ambigous versus Jade Canary. It's the Muslim girl versus master woman. It's Kamala Khan versus ladies Chiba. Who episode of. Who would win a show? That completely ignores anything important happening in the world and instead focuses on the fictional battle between two characters from the worlds of Comics Scifi and fantasy. I'm your host James Gadsden as always I'm joined by my co host raised McCain's rate. Today's matchup is a battle that I'm pretty sure. No one has ever thought which blows my mind. Because we put as I've said many times way too much thought into these battles and these two characters fighting each other just in my mind makes sense. We talk about it. You know a battle that maybe would never happen. This seems like one of those battles. That totally would happen to interesting and creative results. Well here's a cool thing. I actually whenever we come up with the matchup. Go to something Ray. I'm not sure if you've heard of this call Google and what. Yeah okay so like ask Jeeves. Sure it's a little bit more advanced in that but you know I put in the battle and typically. I'm surprised because you know say like when we're battles Leonardo versus about the vampire slayer great. All of a sudden. There's a million results. People have been talking about Ukraine versus. Desktop are same thing million two million people talking about it. I typed in Lady Shiva verses. Kamala Khan No RESULTS NOTHING. Not Be our friend. Starting the trend so with all of our matches that seemed really really unconventional. For some reason though this match makes so much sense so ray before I give you my insights. Why do you think this match works on so many different levels? I think first off we talk about the power level of both of these characters. They would both be considered upper street. Tier lower level characters. So we're not talking about to planet collider's but we're also talking about one is a master assassin who has hardcore Ninja skills but no necessary superpowers. And we have another person who has some superpowers. But they're not necessarily always their creative superpowers they're not super strength super speed super endurance. So we have sort of just a nice contrast of styles again of roughly the same power level with two characters that would totally be at odds with each other. Well speaking of someone who can probably wrap their head around something unconventional and make it have complete sense to everyone. We have an amazing first time on the show as a judge is the host of the eight inches high off the only talk show with dolls. It's Eve as far. Thank you so much for being on the show it is my pleasure and you barely know me and you wrapped me up in a perfect little package. You know you ever meet someone. And you're like this person there. There's some Gravitas. There's there's significance there. They have presence. That's you last. Well it's what we say. Tell us how familiar are you with these characters With these particular characters. I am not very familiar. I am of course familiar with Ms Marvel as it was the introduction of Mystique in the original run so I I actually was able to fifty cents but it was torn so it wasn't worth much money late the underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the center of the ring the assassin known as Lady Sheba. Glares up at the crowd will no one dare to face me? Are All of you cowards? Just most of you. It is then that the masked figure known as MS Marvel tumbles into the arena. Oops I got took a wrong turn. Now we will fight okay. That's fine. I guess and with a pop her gum. This battle is underway. It's the bigger versus Jade Canary. It's the Muslim girl versus master woman. It's Kamala Khan versus ladies Chiba. Talk episode of. Who would win a show? That completely ignores anything important happening in the world and instead focuses on the fictional battle between two characters from the worlds of comic Scifi and fantasy. I'm your host James Gadsden as always I'm joined by my co host raised canes. Today's matchup is a battle that I'm pretty sure. No one has ever thought which blows my mind. Because you know we put as I've said many times way too much thought into these battles and these two characters fighting each other just in my mind make sense we talk about. You know a battle that maybe would never happen. This seems like one of those battles. That totally would happen to interesting and creative results. Well here's a cool thing. I actually whenever we come up with a match up. You know I go to something Ray. I'm not sure if you've heard of this call Google and what you're yeah okay so like ask Jeeves. Sure it's a little bit more advanced that but you know I put in the battle and typically. I'm surprised because you know say like when we're battles Leonardo versus about vampire slayer create all of a sudden. There's a million results people have been talking about it. Unicom versus desktop are same thing millions. Two million people talking about it. I typed in Lady Sheva verses. Kamala Khan No results nothing. Trend starting the trend so with all of our matches seemed really really unconventional. For some reason though this mash makes so much sense. So Ray before I give you my insights. Why do you think this match works on so many different levels? I think first off we talk about the power level of both of these characters. They would both be considered upper street. Tier lower level characters. So we're not talking about to planet collider's but we're also talking about one is a master assassin who has hardcore Ninja skills but no necessary superpowers. And we have another person has some superpowers. But they're not necessarily always their creative superpowers they're not super strength super speed super endurance. So we have sort of just a nice contrast of styles again of the roughly the same power level with two characters. That would totally be at odds with each other. Well speaking of someone who can probably wrap their head around something unconventional and make it have complete sense to everyone. We have an amazing first timer on the show as a judge is the host of the eight inches high talk. Show the only talk show with dolls. It's Eve s Barr. Thank you so much for being on the show it is my pleasure and you barely know me and you wrapped me up in a perfect little package. You know you ever meet someone and you're like this person. There are some Gravitas. There's there's there's significance there they presence. That's you less. Well that's what we say. Tell us how familiar are you with these characters with these particular characters? I am not very familiar. I'm of course familiar with Ms Marvel as it was the introduction of Mystique in the original run so I I actually was able to fifty cents but it was torn so it wasn't worth much money. Late the underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the center of the ring. The assassin known as Lady Sheba. Glares up at the crowd will no one dare to face me? Are All of you cowards? Or just most of you. It is then that the masked figure known as MS Marvel tumbles into the arena. Oops I think took a wrong turn now. We will fight okay. That's fine. I guess and with a pop of her gum. This battle is underway. It's the bigger versus Jade Canary. It's the Muslim girl versus master woman. It's Kamala Khan versus ladies Chiba episode of. Who would win a show? That completely ignores anything important happening in the world and instead focuses on a fictional battle between two characters from the worlds of comic Scifi Fi and fantasy. I'm your host James Gadsden as always I'm joined by my co host raised Kanus rate. Today's matchup is a battle that I'm pretty sure no one has ever thought which blows my mind. Because you know we put as I've said many times way too much thought into these battles and these characters fighting each other just in my mind makes sense we talk about you know a battle that maybe would never happen. This seems like one of those battles. That totally would happen to interesting and creative results. Well here's a cool thing. I actually whenever we come up with a match up. You know I go to something Ray. I'm not sure if you've called Google and what. Yeah okay so ask jeeves shirt. It's a little bit more advanced that but I put in the battle and typically. I'm surprised because you know say like battles Leonardo versus about Vampire slayer creek. All of a sudden. There's a million results people have been talking about it. Unicom versus death star. Same thing millions two million people talking about I typed in Lady Shiva verses. Kamala Khan No results nothing. Our friend starting. The trend so with Oliver matches that are really really unconventional. For some reason though this mash makes so much sense. So Ray before I give you my insights. Why do you think this match works on so many different levels? I think I stuff. We talk about the power level of both of these characters. They would both be considered upper street. Tier lower level characters. So we're not talking about to planet collider's but we're also talking about one is a assassin who has hardcore Ninja skills but no necessary superpowers and we have another person who has some superpowers. But they're not necessarily always their creative superpowers they're not super strength super speed super endurance. So we have sort of just a nice contrast of styles again of roughly the same power level with two characters. That would totally be with each other. Well speaking of someone who can probably wrap their head around something unconventional and make it have complete sense to everyone. We have an amazing first timer on the show as a judge is a host of the eight inches high off the only talk with dolls. It's Eve s Barr. Thank you so much for being on the show it is my pleasure and you barely know me and you wrapped me up in a perfect little package. You know you ever meet someone and you're like this person. There are some Gravitas. There's there's there's significance there. They have presence. That's you last. Well that's what we say. Tell us how familiar are you with these characters with these particular characters? I am not very familiar. I am of course familiar with Ms Marvel as it was the introduction of Mystique in the original run so I I actually was able to find one for like fifty cents but it was torn so it wasn't worth much money late the underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the center of the ring the assassin known as Lady Sheba glares up at the crowd will no one dared to face me are all of you cowards. Or just most of you. It is then that the masked figure known as MS Marvel tumbles into the arena. Oops I think I took a wrong turn now. We will fight okay. That's fine I guess. And with a pop of her gum. This battle is underway. It's IM- bigger versus jade canary. It's the Muslim girl versus master woman. It's Kamala Khan versus ladies Chiba. Today's episode of who would win a show that completely ignores anything important happening in the world and instead focuses on a fictional battle between two characters from the world of comic SCI FI and fantasy. I'm your host James Gadsden as always I'm joined by my co host raised Canes Ray. Today's matchup is a battle that I'm pretty sure. No one has ever thought which blows my mind. Because you know we put as I've said many times way too much thought into these battles and these two characters fighting each other. Just in my mind makes sense. We talk about you know a battle that maybe would never happen. This seems like one of those battles. That totally would happen to interesting and creative results. Well here's a cool thing. I actually whenever we come up with the match up. I'm not sure it's called Google and what. Yeah okay so ask Jeeves sure. It's a little bit more advanced that but you know I put in the battle and typically. I'm surprised because you know. Say like warmer battles like Leonardo versus about Vampire slayer great all of a sudden. There's a million results people been talking about it versus star same thing. Millions two million people talking about I typed in Lady Sheba versus Kamala Khan No results nothing. Our FRIEND STARTING. The trend so with all of our matches that are really really unconventional. For some reason though this match makes so much sense so rape before I kinda give you my insights. Why do you think this match works on so many different levels? I think I stuff. We talk about the power level of both of these characters. They would both be considered upper street. Tier lower level characters. So we're not talking about to planet collider's but we're also talking about one is a master assassin who has hardcore Ninja skills but no necessary superpowers. And we have another person who has some superpowers. But they're not necessarily always their creative superpowers they're not super strength super speed super endurance. So we have sort of just a nice contrast of styles again. Roughly the same power level with two characters that would totally be odds with each other. Well speaking of you know someone who can probably wrap their head around something unconventional and make it have complete sense to everyone. We have an amazing first timer on the show as a judge is the host of the eight inches high alk- show the only talk show with dolls. It's Eve are thank you so much for being on the show it is my pleasure and you barely know me and you wrapped me up in a perfect little package. You know you ever meet someone and you're like this person there. There's some Gravitas. There's there's there's significance there have presence. That's you last. Well it's what we say. Tell us how familiar are you with these characters with these particular characters? I am not very familiar. I am of course familiar with MS moral as it was the introduction of Mystique in the original run so I I actually was able to find one for like fifty cents but it was torn so wasn't worth much money late the underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the center of the ring the assassin known as Lady Sheba glares up at the crowd will no one dare to face me all of you cowards. Or just most of you. It is then that the masked figure known as MS Marvel tumbles into the arena. Oops I think I took a wrong turn now. We will fight okay. That's fine I guess. And with a pop of her gum. This battle is underway. It's the ambig- inner versus Jade Canary. It's the Muslim girl versus master woman. It's Kamala Khan versus Lady Chiba Day episode of. Who would win a show? That completely ignores anything important happening in the world and instead focuses on a fictional battle between two characters from the world of comic SCI FI and fantasy. I'm your host James Gadsden as always I'm joined by my co host race to Kanus rate. Today's matchup is a battle that I'm pretty sure. No one has ever thought which blows my mind. Because you know we put as I've said many times way too much thought into these battles and these two characters fighting each other. Just in my mind makes sense. We talk about you know a battle that maybe would never happen. This seems like one of those battles. That totally would happen to interesting and creative results. Well here's a cool thing. I actually whenever we come up with the match up. I'm not sure if you've heard of it's called Google and what. Yeah okay so I'll ask jeeves. Sure it's a little bit more advanced in that but I put in the battle and typically I. I'm surprised because you know say warmer battles like Leonardo versus about Vampire slayer great falls on. There's a million results. People have been talking about it versus star. Same thing million two million people talking about it. I typed in Lady Sheva versus Kamala. Khan no results. Nothing our friend. Starting the trend so with Oliver matches at our seem really really unconventional for some reason though this match makes so much sense so rape before I kind of. Give you my insights. Why do you think this match works on so many different levels? I think I talk about the power level of both of these characters. They would both be considered upper street. Tear power level characters. So we're not talking about to planet collider's but we're also talking about one is a master assassin who has hardcore Ninja skills but no necessary superpowers. And we have another person who has some superpowers. But they're not necessarily always their creative superpowers they're not super strength super speed super endurance. So we have sort of just a nice contrast of styles again a roughly the same power level with two characters. That would totally be at odds with each other. Well speaking of someone who can probably wrap their head around something unconventional and make it have complete sense to everyone. We have an amazing first timer on the show as a judge is a host of the eight inches high talkshow. The only talk show with dolls. It's Eve eve. Thank you so much for being on the show it is my pleasure and you barely know me and you wrapped up in a perfect little package. You know you ever meet someone and you're like this person there. There's some Gravitas. There's there's there's significance there. They have presence. That's you less. Well it's what we say. Tell us how familiar are you with these characters with these particular characters? I am not very familiar. I'm of course familiar with MS moral as it was the introduction of Mystique in the original run so I I actually was able to find one for like fifty cents but it was torn so it wasn't worth much money late the underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the centre of the rain. The assassin known as Lady Sheba. Glares up at the crowd will no one dare to face me? Are All of you cowards? Or just most of you. It is then that the masked figure known as MS Marvel tumbles into the arena. Oops I think I took a wrong turn now. We will fight okay. That's fine I guess. And with a pop of her gum. This battle is underway. It's the ambigous versus Jade Canary. It's the Muslim girl versus master woman. It's Kamala Khan versus ladies. Chievo today episode of. Who would win a show? That completely ignores anything important happening in the world and instead focuses on a fictional battle between two characters from the world of comic SCI FI and fantasy. I'm your host James Gadsden as always I'm joined by my co host raised Aquinas Ray. Today's matchup is a battle that I'm pretty sure. No one has ever thought which blows my mind. Because you know we put as I've said many times way too much thought into these battles and these two characters fighting each other in my mind makes sense we talk about you know a battle that maybe would never happen. This seems like one of those battles. That totally would happen to interesting and creative results. Well here's a cool thing. I actually whenever we come of the matchup something. I'm not sure if you've heard of it's called Google and what do you. Yeah okay. So I'll ask jeeves. Assure it's a little bit more advanced in that. But you know I put in the battle and typically I. I'm surprised because say like warmer battles like Leonardo versus about Vampire slayer creek all of a sudden. There's a million results. People have been talking about it unit Chris Star same thing millions plot two million people talking about it I typed in Lady Sheva versus Kamala Khan No results nothing. Our friend starting the trend so with Oliver matches at our seem really really unconventional. For some reason though this mash makes so much sense. So Ray before. I kind of give you my insights. Why do you think this match works on so many different levels? I think I we talk about the power level of both of these characters. They would both be considered upper street. Tear power level characters. So we're not talking about to planet collider's but we're also talking about one is a master assassin who has hardcore Ninja skills but no necessary superpowers. And we have another person who has some superpowers. But they're not necessarily always their creative superpowers they're not super strength super speed super endurance. So we have sort of just a nice contrast of styles again of roughly the same power level with two characters that would totally be at odds with each other. Well speaking of someone who can probably wrap their head around something unconventional and make it have complete sense to everyone. We have amazing first. Timer on the show as a judge is the host of the eight inches high talkshow. The only talk show with dolls. It's Eve party. Thank you so much for being on the show it is my pleasure and you barely know me and you wrapped me up in a perfect little package. You know you ever meet someone and you're like this person there's some gravitas. There's there's significance there. They have presence. That's you last. Well it's what we say. Tell us how familiar are you with these characters all with these particular characters? I am not very familiar. I'm of course familiar with MS moral as it was the introduction of Mystique in the original run so I actually was able to find fifty cents but it was torn so it wasn't worth much money. Late the underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the center of the ring. The assassin known as Lady Sheba. Glares up at the crowd? We'll no one dare to face me all of you cowards. Were just most of you. It is then that the masked figure known as MS Marvel tumbles into the arena. Oops I think I took a wrong turn now. We will fight okay. That's fine I guess. And with a pop of her gum. This battle is underway. It's the ambiguous versus Jade Canary. It's the Muslim girl versus master woman. It's Kamala Khan versus ladies. Tvos eleven episode of. Who would win a show? That completely ignores anything important happening in the world and instead focuses on a fictional battle between characters from the worlds of comic SCI FI and fantasy. I'm your host. James Gadsden has always. I'm to my co-host raised Aquinas rate. Today's matchup is a battle that I'm pretty sure. No one has ever thought which blows my mind. Because as I've said many times way too much thought into these battles and these two characters fight each other just in my mind makes sense. We talk about a battle. Maybe would never happen. This seems like one of those battles. That totally would happen to interesting and creative results. Well here's a cool thing. I actually whenever we come with the matchup. Something I'm not sure if you've heard of it's called Google and what? Yeah okay so I'll ask jeeves. Assure it's a little bit more advanced that but you know I put it in the battle and typically I. I'm surprised because Y'all say like warmer battles like Leonardo versus about Vampire slayer creek all of a sudden. There's a million results people have been talking about it. Unicom versus desk star same thing millions two million people talking about it. I typed in Lady Sheva versus Kamala Khan No results nothing. Our friend starting. The trend so with Oliver Matches. That seem really really unconventional. For some reason. Though this mash makes so much sense. So Ray before I give you my insights. Why do you think this match works on so many different levels for stuff? We talk about the power level of both of these characters. They would both be considered upper street. Tear power level characters. So we're not talking about to planet collider's but we're also talking about one is a master assassin who has hard poured into skills but no necessary superpowers and we have another person. Who has superpowers? But they're not necessarily always their creative superpowers they're not super strength super speed super endurance. So we have sort of just a nice contrast of styles again of roughly the same power level with two characters that would totally be at odds with each other. Well speaking of someone who can probably wrap their head around something unconventional and make it have complete sense to everyone. We have an amazing first timer on the show as a judge is the host of the eight inches high off. Show the only talk show with dolls. It's Eve s Barr. Thank you so much for being on the show it is my pleasure and you barely know me and you wrapped me up in a perfect little patch. You know you ever meet someone and you're like this person. There's some Gravitas. There's there's there's significance there. They they they have presence. That's you less. Well that's what we say. Tell us how familiar are you with these characters with these particular characters? I am not very familiar. I'm of course familiar with Ms Marvel as it was the introduction of Mystique in the original run so I actually was able to find one for like fifty cents but it was torn so it wasn't worth much money late the underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the center of the ring. The assassin known as Lady Sheba. Glares up at the crowd will no one dare to face me? All of you cowards. Or just most of you. It is then that the mass figure known as Ms Marvel tumbles into the arena. Oops I think I took a wrong turn. Now we will fights okay. That's fine I guess. And with a pop of her gum. This battle is underway. It's the embitter versus Jade Canary. It's the Muslim girl versus master woman. It's Kamala Khan versus lady. Stephen King episode of WHO would win show. That completely ignores anything important happening in the world and instead focuses on the fictional battle between two characters from the worlds of comic SCI FI and fantasy. I'm your host. 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What two million people talking about it I typed in Lady Sheva versus Kamala. Khan no results. Nothing our friend. Starting the trend so with Oliver Matches. That seem really really unconventional. For some reason though this match makes so much sense so ray before I give you my insights. Why do you think this match works on so many different levels? I think I if we talk about the power level of both of these characters. They would both be considered upper street. Here power level characters. So we're not talking about to planet collider's but we're also talking about one is a master assassin who has hardcore Ninja skills but no necessary superpowers. And we have another person who has some superpowers. But they're not necessarily always their creative superpowers they're not super strength super speed super endurance. So we have sort of a nice contrast of styles again of roughly the same power level with characters. That would totally be at odds with each other. Well speaking of someone who can probably wrap their head around something unconventional and make have complete sense to everyone. We have an amazing first timer on the show as a judge is the host of the eight inches high off. Show the only talk show with dolls. It's Eve eve. Thank you so much for being on the show it is my pleasure and you barely know me and you wrapped me up in a perfect little package. You know you ever meet someone and you're like this person. There's some Gravitas. There's there's there's significant there. They have presence. That's you last. Well that's what we say. Tell us how familiar with these characters with these particular characters. I am not very familiar. I'm of course familiar with Ms Marvel as it was the introduction of Mystique in the original run so I actually was able to find one for like fifty cents but it was torn so it wasn't worth much money late the underworld arena murmurs to itself anxiously awaiting the next match standing in the center of the ring. The assassin known as Lady Sheba. Glares up at the crowd will no one dare to face me? Are All of you cowards? Were just most of you. It is then that the mass figure known as Ms Marvel tumbles into the arena. Oops I think I took a wrong turn. Now we will fights okay. That's fine I guess. And with a pop of her gum. This battle is underway. It's the ambig- inner versus Jade Canary. It's the Muslim girl versus master woman. It's Kamala Khan Verses Ladies Chiba Today episode of who would win a show that completely ignores anything important happening in the world and instead focuses on a fictional battle between two characters from the worlds of comic SCI FI and fantasy. I'm your host James Gavin. I'm doing my co host raise decanes rate. Today's matchup is a battle that I'm pretty sure. No one has ever thought which blows my mind. Because we put as I've said many times way too much thought into these battles and these two characters fighting each other just in my mind makes sense. We talk about a you know a battle that maybe would never happen. This seems like one of those battles. That totally would happen to interesting and creative results. Well here's a cool thing. I actually whenever we come up with the matchup. Go to something Ray. I'm not sure if you've heard of it's called Google and what an earlier. Yeah okay so ask Jeeves. Sure it's a little bit more advanced that but you know I put in the battle and typically I. I'm surprised because y'all say like when we're battles Leonardo versus about Vampire slayer great falls. Under a million results people have been talking about it. Unicom versus desktop are same thing. Millions blood two million people talking about it I typed in Lady Sheva versus Kamala Khan No results nothing. Trend starting the trend so with Oliver matches that seem really really unconventional. For some reason though this mash makes so much sense. So Ray before. I kind of give you my insights. Why do you think this match works on so many different levels for stuff? We talk about the power level of both of these characters. They would both be considered upper street. Here power level characters. So we're not talking about to planet collider's but we're also talking about one is a master assassin who has hardcore Ninja skills but no necessary superpowers. And we have another person who has some superpowers. But they're not necessarily always their creative superpowers they're not super strength super speed super endurance. So we have sort of just a nice contrast of styles again. Roughly the same power level with characters. That would totally be at odds with each other. Well speaking of someone who can probably wrap their head around something unconventional and make it have complete sense to everyone. We have an amazing first timer on the show as a judge is the host of the eight inches high off. Show the only talk show with dolls. It's Eve eve. Thank you so much for being on the show it is my pleasure and you barely know me and you wrapped me up in a perfect little package. You know you ever meet someone and you're like this person there's some gravitas. There's there's significance their presence. That's you less. Well Yeah what we say. Tell us how familiar with these characters. I'll with these particular characters. I am not very familiar. I am of course familiar with Ms Marvel as it was the introduction of Mystique in the original run so I I actually was able to find one for like fifty cents but it was torn so it wasn't worth much money late the underworld arena murmurs to itself and.

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#287: Find a Way, Not an Excuse

The EntreLeadership Podcast

53:33 min | 3 years ago

#287: Find a Way, Not an Excuse

"Limited resources. Oftentimes it's just really the crucible of which innovation happens. Because if you had more resources, you just buy a solution, helping business leaders grow themselves, their team and their profits. This is entree leadership. Now, here's your host, Ken Coleman coming to you from the music city. This is the broadcast of leaders by leaders, four leaders. Thanks so much for joining the conversation really excited about introducing many of you to a guy by the name of Bobby Grunwald who is our feature conversation. This episode, he's the founder of you version, which was the first bible app in the app store. You'll hear that back story in the conversation. Now reaching over three hundred and forty million people around the globe and, oh, by the way, it's free an unbelievable story. Here's the big giant takeaway that's going to help. So many of you who. Feel right now like you got a brilliant idea, but you have zero resources. You don't even see how you can do it. You just know it should be done and Bobby dropped this bomb on us. Innovation happens within constraints. I'm gonna let you chew on that for just a moment. While I tell you about Bobby speaking with our team at the entreleadership one day, this fall, the entreleadership one day is an unbelievable day where we take the playbook and give it away. It's November ninth. Here's the good news. You can stream it live from anywhere. We've been doing this now for over a year. We take our signature basic event on how we give away the playbook, and we give it to you via the internet. The theme is market disruption. You're gonna learn how to create a mindset that seize opportunities rather than problems. While your comfort zone should be the most uncomfortable place to be the importance of creating a culture that embraces change and isn't a freight to break things to make them better. Dave Ramsey Chris, HOGAN, Scott Harrison, the founder of charity water, Bobby Grunwald who you're about to hear from all on the stage. Now this is an unbelievable deal. We're going to bring it to you. A convenience of your home, your church, your office, the cafeteria, Starbucks. You can listen and watch wherever you wish for only eighty nine dollars. Now let's twenty dollars off because your podcast listener. So the rest of the underprivileged world's gonna pay one hundred nine because you are a listener and you are a person of privilege. You get it for eighty nine dollars. Here's how you register for entreleadership dot com. Slash Ken entreleadership dot com slash Kim that gets you in at the special pricing. All right, let's get right to it. Bobby Grunwald. You talk about a humble hungry and smart leader who came up with one of the great innovations I believe in the digital era. That's right. I believe it's that big of a deal. Here's my conversation with Bob. Bobby, it's good to talk with you again in full disclosure. We've known each other for a long time, and I'm really excited about this conversation because of your experience in one of my favorite topics to discuss and that's vision. I mean, if we think about what you've done in your team and what you have led and continue to do, it really is a either leave a case study in vision. So I wanna start out in the early days before there was ever any code before. Maybe there was even a whiteboard session, take us back to how in the world, this idea to take the bible and digitalize it and give it away to everybody came about first of all, great to be with you. I, you know, looking back on it, it's kind of all the stories that clearly gobs done and you're right. It started with start with an idea started with a vision. I was in the O'Hare airport in Chicago. Along TSA security line in October of two thousand six. And I have no idea why to his security lines are placed of think of ideas in particular, that particular line was really long day, and I was sitting there thinking, I wonder if there's a way that we can leverage technology to help me engage with the bible. I was on staff at a church into my past career was entrepreneur so had had some experience in the tech space is entrepreneur. But for years that I've been on staff at a church and I was not engaged in the bible, sadly as much as I really wanted to be had lots of excuses us to why but but it just kept thinking there's a way that we can leverage technology to help me engage in scripture because I know there's a lot of people like me that desire to, but the aren't and in there in the security line that day, the side DEA came for for you version. And most people know that I did a day as an app that they have on their smartphone or tablet, but actually. Original idea was for a website and have some novel ideas. So it's kind of one of these examples of where we start off with the idea that actually turned into failure when we launched it in two thousand seven, the website, nobody remembers because nobody went to it basically. But it led us though to the alternate idea that you know today as the bible option, the vision started which Justice desire to figure out how solve a problem, which was my problem of how to engage in scripture and thinking that technology might be able to be a tool can help us do that. Okay. So that's fantastic. We're now I want to jump in and out of vision and innovation and leadership is going to be this. I want to kind of walk through this thing almost chronologically. So you're in O'Hare, and and you gave us a little bit of a summary but, but I want you to walk us through because we've got a lot of entrepreneurs, small businessmen of women who think like, you think, and I wanna know what were some of those early steps to take vision and really hone it, make sure it's the right vision. How did you polish. What were those next steps early on before you ever got the launch, you know, when it come up with an idea in this, this idea was no exception to it. I have kind of group of people at trust that are willing to be honest with me and give me feedback, and that's super important for me. I'm an idea person, so I'm not usually short on new ideas, but what is the process for me is to kind of take those ideas go with just it's just a handful of people alike to bounce the idea off of them. I like them to kind of pick it apart, actually challenged them to to kind of challenge the idea. And the way the process works for me is like, I actually want to try to defend it and if I can't defend it well, it becomes pretty obvious that that this idea may not have enough merit or needs more thought or needs more time. No, to to bake inside, try not to get to to marry these ideas or to, you know, hold onto too tightly, but rather really trust the process of getting feedback on him. So that's an early on. Thing, it's before we're discovering some of the problems with it or were certainly don't know all the challenges of what it would take to implement it. We're not getting down to deep into the weeds of what's involved implement, but simply the feedback on is an idea that they think would work. Is this an idea that people might want to use or or by if it's a product that we're selling in just the basic kind of reactions that they get in the response to it. It's not a formal focus group. I, I'm just not kind of wired that way. These are kind of informal conversations, ROY sort of test it to pitch it almost an each time I do that. I find that either I get better at in it, I refine it in on somebody or daddy falls apart, or it's clear that that it's just not the right time or not ready yet. So for me, that's the very first step for me is to just kind of get some feedback from people to trust. All right. So you did this right? And this process and you had some people go, okay. I think there's something here and one of the things I want to lead you into. Just kind of let you take us along these net. Next steps is you've great statement that I want you to have some fun with, and that's innovation happens within constraints. So I love that. Let's first talk about the back half of that sentence. What were the constraints after you came out of that initial idea filter if you will, or the constraints you had a good idea people were giving you, okay. Yep, this this is doable. What were the constraints you were dealing with? So the constraints so we started with were it seemed like everything was a constraint. So the first week, even though is on staff at the church in there was a a sense of permission on behalf of the rest of our leaders to say, we're willing to try this. That permission didn't come with the budget. So it really was sort of like if you can figure out how to build a prototype or build something, find some people that can do that, then that would be, let's do it, but we don't really have a budget, you know for. So that's not like we have a budget of fifty thousand dollars. That's not enough like isn't like we have nobody leaves zero budget, zero dollars. There's no contract or that can be hired. So then you know, as an entrepreneur, my I felt like my job is to take this vision and really tried to sell it to people that have the capacity to contribute to it. I didn't have equity to offer it in have ownership to offer. This is all part of what we're doing a nonprofit. So all the kind of traditional means that a start up would have the come on board and you can own part of the company that wasn't at my disposal at the time was basically just say an as if we could figure out how to build something that worked, it could really change how we engage in scripture. So for me, it was kind of a Mishel thing that I was trying to create a compelling vision for, and I found some people on our team that had the capacity. I'm not a developer. Most people don't realize it, but of never written Alantic code in new version. Not not a single line. I don't know how to do that. I'm just a person could bring vision ideas and find those people, you know that know how to do that. So we found some people. On our team that had some extra capacity outside of their normal jobs, something they will do in the evening or on. We would spend our own time kinda trying to map out what we thought it should look like in an. I'm just making the case in just trying to say, I need you to give your time to volunteer your time to build this. And of course we're not setting these grand ideas of billions of people are going to use this one day. We, we had no idea what it was going to become, but it was just sort of a step by step kind of process of, I just need to get a design for website. So let's find somebody that can help us build a design we can help contribute to that. But some of that can actually draw up on, you know, computer and make it look like it's supposed to look and then just little by little, we begin to find those resources. And so the first constraint was we had no actual financial resources. We had some time of her own time, but had no financial resources to put behind it. And then the second probably most significant constraint Zet we realized that. That we actually couldn't get the bible for free that people actually owned the bible and we were so ignorant of had no idea that people translate the bible. They have a license to it, you have to get a license to use it. So even though even if we could build this website that I was trying to get people to donate their time to do at the beginning, the problem was to actually get the bible texts that people wanted to read. I had to go and figure out how to get a hold of publishers and people who own the rights to license us. This and my budget for licensing was zero dollars as well. And so that was kind of obvious in other constraint, though, faced as an and I didn't have any of these relationships by the way that was another constraint. I didn't know any of these people add in knowing the CEO's I, it wasn't like I had a Rolodex of people that I could just roll through and say, call this person call this person. And so basically, I mean, every turn I made, there was a constraint that we were facing, but just the persistent. Of Seneca, how do we overcome each of these problems? Sort of one at a time, not get overwhelmed by all of them are just sorta take them one at a time with those the way we approach it. Yeah, I think that's a really interesting point. What can you tell us about knowing the difference between a constraint and a sign that we need to be observing? It's a great question. Yeah, sometimes there are those sort of roadblocks that are Indian point sale like we're, this is just simply not working for me. I usually am always sort of stepping back from the problem of making sure that were making progress is is one thing I'm looking like, are we able to kind of move this forward? It is a bit of discernment that's involved in your question because there's things we try that fail. The fact that they failed is the answer that we should probably learn what we can learn from an a move on and do something different as opposed to just continue to press for. I don't know that always have a simple answer because I think the variables are more complex than that. I don't know. I have. I have like a simple recipe or a set of ingredients for, I think probably the key for me is unwilling to let. Go of something in a win. It becomes apparent that it's failed. So I'm not just hanging onto something that's obvious that it's failed or wherever went around me sees that it's failed or I can objectively measure it. It's more of a willingness to acknowledge something fell think is sort of the key variable there. And if you have that willingness, I think you'll kind of know when that right time comes, but when it comes to trying to prove a concept, you know if we can't get to the place where we can even just prove the concept or get to the demo of phased. Those were all obstacles that I felt like were over cobble like things that took some creativity to get through, but I was just trying to get to that proof of concept. If I'm not even achieved the proof of concept, then I'm probably going to be fairly persistent trying to get to that point. At least you know, to see if it works. Once I've reached that proof of concept, which in our case we we did in two thousand seven. We did get this website launched, then it became apparent a few months and though that that no one was using it. I mean, we got audience to go to it, but even ourselves, we only using it because we created it. That's why realized we had kind of a fairly significant problem that that we cheered, what we were one into Jeeves, but it didn't actually work. Okay. So are so let me jump in here because I love this time line. And the reason I'm jumping in bobby's because I thought she did a great job of really helping us get perspective each one of those constraints that you listed out a few minutes ago. There was a possible solution. It wasn't maybe evident right away, but they weren't clear stop signs. I can go meet people at publishers who have their version of the bible. I could essentially I have a chance at least it's possible. I go get donors. You found guys who had some time a little bit of time, not a lot of time to help design it first. And so you really did go, okay, these are constraints, but they're not complete and utter stops is there is some possibility there and when there's a possibility tied to that vision. Deepen your chest that this could and should happen then that's what creates true innovation, correct. That's when you start going because that's what innovation it. That's kind of a fun buzzword these days. But the reality is it's not that sexy. It's like they're a bunch of constraints and I gotta figure my way around these constraints. Isn't that where innovation is berthed? Absolutely. I mean innovation like upset. Many times innovation happens inside of constraints, like constraints are an actual ingredient for innovation. Yes, they're not something that so many people want to think outside the box as a figure of speech, but it's actually embracing the box in recognizing the bucks or in figuring out creatively how we move from inside the box to where we need to go in, not this sort of sense of leading to remove all constraints. We'll get better ideas if we eliminate any kind of barriers mind. Actually, I find that embrace those constraints actually come up with better ways of doing things an innovation at the course solving a problem. I mean, it solving the problem. What does the known problem? And sometimes innovation solves the problem that that people didn't even know existed. It's like a a new opportunity where when you see the solution, you realize you had the problem and you never even knew you had the problem, you know, all at once setting. So as different forms of takes bit the core, it's still solving a problem. And I think a lot of times people think vegetable money if I just could put more behind r&d if I could just do this, I would. I would have more innovation. I've just found that that's simply not true. I mean, I think that limited resources oftentimes are it's just really the the crucible in which innovation happens. Because if you had more resources, you would just buy a solution that's new, you wouldn't. You wouldn't actually innovate you. You really don't need to innovate and fact, it's, it's a plague that many organizations have if they have too much resources, they usually don't have innovation and the less they place artificial constraints on things unless they say we have the money, but here's the budget and the budgets, this and we have to solve this problem. This is. All the, we have to solve it with this or constrain on time. You know, I do this with our creative team all the time. Everyone always feels like if I could just have more time to work on the project I could. I could get a better result. I was like, no, that's just a trade know. You're just trading time for whatever might be quality or something, not just moving up normal curve. That's not actually innovative that just sort of an exchange, you know of one thing for another thing. And I say no real innovation comes. If you can say, I got the same amount of time to work with or facts. What if we could take less time and try to cheat the same result? And if that happens actually getting true improvement, you know in and you have to get creative sometimes of a hot achieve it in sort of forces innovation on it. So those are like might be artificial constraints. They might not be real. They're just artificial, but they're constraints none. The less. So definitely even when I mentioned the publishers in the bible techs we're working with and we had to figure out an innovative way that we could bring. Value to them while remaining noncommercial which we felt was really important. So have a free product that they otherwise sell that we needed for free. But yet we needed to keep them sustained and provide value to them. So we had to come up with like an innovative way to achieve that, and we're able to do that. We have great relationships of the publishers today, but it was that type of forcing that issue not just trying to figure out well, well, we just need more money and we could solve this problem. None. We had to figure how to do it by embracing the constraints that we have. Okay. So I want to stay here because it's like you're teaching out of the story in the story, so good. I'm going to stay where you're at, but I want to go back and just a moment Bobby to where you guys got the site up, got it launched, but nobody was using it, but you want to get back to that point. But because it's still in the time line here, you got those publishers to agree to let you have their version of the bible. And this morning when I crack open my ipad and that's why I love you version so much. It's just perfect on my device on my bed, and I go, and I've got. My an IV version. All right. No endorsement here. That's just what I read, but there's a publisher coup head to say, all right. We're going to give away our version of the let you put it out for free, but that was only after you convince them that we're going to send them back to you. I'm just real curious. The quick answer because I think it'd be great for people to listen to. How did you do that? What was the value proposition to that publisher? Yeah. Well, it didn't all come together at once. Yeah. So we, we basically had to. We were able to convince one at that time. It was Thomas Nelson, and we were able to convince them to basically take a risk on us and our commitment to them and to all of the publishers that came aboard was that we were committed to their long-term success. We were not trying to. This was an effort for us to shutdown publishers or the fundamentally caused them harm anyway, we needed them to be successful. So my initial argument was that we have a generation of people that can't fathom paying ninety nine cents for a song that they love from a ban that they love, and we were trying to get them to pay twenty dollars for a book that they didn't understand and so that whether or not people agreed with morality, you know the way people perceived value of content or not. The reality of it was is that many of these publishers, the bible is one singular product of many products they offer and that. A Christian products in if you can't get a generation engaged in scripture of the market for their products, all their other products is going to wrote is going to disappear over time. And so so the premise was we said, why don't we let the bible be something that is an essence a bit of a loss leader, you know, in terms of their investment, but do it in a way that we're not going, we promise we wanna kinda get people connected back to what the publishers are offering, find a way to build a relationship. We didn't know all the how, you know at the time we weren't sure, but we're able to convince one to do it. And I honestly don't know if we convinced them or if they actually didn't fully know what we were saying. I'm not sure which, but nonetheless, you know, we weren't being deceptive. I promise you that, but it was as well as things why I'm not exactly sure how they agreed at the time other than God just, you know, opening that door, but we wanted to build on top of that momentum. So we took one and a bit of, you know, the others kinda of one did and that caused others to come on board. Now today, though. He fast for because we remain committed to that, you know, to make them successful. We ended up the model ended up becoming a deal where the tire market changed in the middle of all this right at the beginning of this two where the key for content owners is have a direct relationship with the consumer. It's what you see happening in retail. You see happening, you know that basically middleman are getting moved out of the picture and the publishers were the content owners. So I figured what we really needed to do if we could be the group that figures out how to help them build this relationship with the consumer, something none of them had they all work through other people that had the real relationships and they were always one step removed. So we said, you know, because we're noncommercial we don't have to own the relationship with ought to be the only people that have a relationship with a person that uses are out. Normally, if we were commercial, we'd be super concerned about controlling in owning and being the only once that that's our value. That's what we own. That's our asset. Instead, we said, what if. We're willing to share that with you. We go out and do all the work to find the customer. They're reading the bible and what we're gonna do is that what they want to download the n. IV version of the bible, they're just simply it'd be presented with an opportunity that they would be willing to share their Email address with you, the publisher and nothing hidden from the consumer. Everything's up board and the decision of our users are making to do this. And when they agreed to do that, we're now sending you a very qualified lead three, two Bill relationship with that customer. And so we've now done that to the tunes of tens of millions of people that we built direct consumer relationships with these publishers and for them, that's something that they had to go do that on their own that they would spend a ton of money trying to find that one user that is valuable, utes interested in their products in their other products. So that's what it looks like today. It started off with us just basically saying, trust us, let's work really hard. We're going to try to demonstrate through sharing that. Relationship the best we can with you, but over time to make it fluid to make an even easier more empowering. We literally just made the direct connection between the customer and the publisher knots how we solve the problem. Gee, I just made it note. This is for our audience. Tell me if I've got this right? I'm listening taking notes. I think when we see a crazy idea and we believe in a crazy idea, we gotta go pitch that crazy idea if you can show crazy value than the crazy ideas, no longer crazy. And I think that's essentially what happened here. All right. Yeah, no, that's true. And I think the other thing is we were focused on scale. And so whenever you see something's got momentum, people think are willing to to come on board because they're afraid of missing out. Yeah, momentum. Tremendous momentum momentum was a big, a big factor in it, but it's really reshaped a lot of, I mean, we're not the only people, you know the contributed to this, but we certainly were catalyst for the bible publishing industry as a whole is really pretty progressive today as a whole in apart. Because of this and these moves that they made versus some of the other sides of the publishing industry. And so it's kind of a remarkable story of how it all came together but the you're absolutely right. It's it's kind of that the crazy in his seven sort of works, you know, really, I, I real quick because there's so much more I want to cover with you from leadership and some other things, but I want to go back to that story. You took us to the, I think you said two thousand seven and you got it up and going, and I'm sure you're dealing with other constraints, but there was a point where you had to look at it and go no one's using it, and we're going to have to figure out how to interrelate innovate, whatever it is, create all those things together. I'm just curious what you learned about that that you can pass onto our audience. Like I said, we're not afraid to try things and recognize that. Sometimes things fail. They just don't work. The problem we had here was we built what we wanted to build. It may not have been perfect made. There's always more things we could have added and wanted to do. But the truth was the core idea of what we were trying to save. We built that and and launched it in September of two thousand seven. So a few months in, you know, we were fortunate to have friends, you know, different organizations that are willing to promote it in a, we had a little bit of reach ourselves as a church, so we promoted it. So we didn't have a problem of getting audience to. We got into it. The problem is that went on its came to it. They just kind of like Galit's Tut's. Interesting and the distinct come back. You know, it wasn't. It wasn't something that kept their attention and says, we really begin to dig into it. We realized that it's just fundamentally not. We weren't really engaging people inscription in new meaningful way. The fundamental idea was flawed. Like it just simply the way we did it. The it was either argue might be too early. There's lots of arguments, but nonetheless it just simply wasn't working and we can tell even ourselves, like if you're trying to use your own product and you don't really see the value in it after he built it and started to use it. That's the problem of fundamental problem. It. With it. And if we thought that like a few tweaks would just all that was needed, you know, just tweak here or tweak it there. We just didn't think that was. It didn't feel that's where it was. You know, we felt like it was close enough to what we're aiming for that it just really our aim was off. You know where we needed to try. And so we're not afraid to shut things down in January of two thousand eight. We'd kind of reached that conclusion and we were gonna shut the website down and just move on and focus on other things because we've got plenty of other stuff to focus on. And boy always liked to do like a bit of a failure assessment understand the why. Why did not work? What went wrong, what could we learn there? Anything we can learn from this? And one of the things that we reprocessing was that one of the dynamics was that having on our computer this website on our computer, we were using our computers, less and less and our computers were not too different than our physical bibles in that they were kind of in particular places like our office, you know, or you know, at home off. This or something. And our blackberrys were a new device for spec than blackberries were with us everywhere. And we were using our blackberrys more and more, but our website was not at all design. I mean to work on a a simple blackberry screen. And so we just thought, you know, part of the problem is for this to be something that really engages us in a more regular basis. We have to differentiate it further than like a print bible that sits on her nightstand at home. That's not with us everywhere. We have to figure out which we kind of felt like we'd built another version of that a digital version of print bible in some ways. So it wasn't originally idea, but we just have what if we took that website, we'd built the only had the bible tax already went through the barriers to get access to it. But if we just simply displayed it so that it would work on our blackberry, and when we did that, it was just very simple of like a few remember blackberry in two thousand eight. It was like three or four lines attacks. I mean, it was really, really basic screen. And as simple as laws, and it was just profoundly effective like we use the bible and read it, use it in places we had not insipid more regularly or consistently the whole original idea, the novelty of what we were doing on the website. We kind of ignored all that the features and things that we cared a lot about. We just simply made it. So you could read the bible in your phone. And when that happened, we saw the traffic go up to the website from people using our blackberries and we love data. We love to kind of look understand housework in. We could tell as working for us. And so that became kind of the real shift. And we realize that we start realizing we're really onto something and and it was working. Okay. A want you to talk about first mover advantage because I love the phrasing of that you, you got him real fought behind what that is. And I think we got enough of the backstory so far really understand how you've version is a great example of the first mover advantage. Yes. So in early two thousand eight, I think is maybe spring of two thousand. Thousand eight were starting to notice this website on our blackberries working and apple announces that they're making it possible to develop apps for this new phone call the iphone that had been out for a few months and that even more portly they're going to build an app store where you could download these apps like one place where everybody was going to be focused that had an iphone to download apps for their phone. So I looked at what we saw our data that it was act like the mobile bible was actually working in connecting on our our blackberries. I just thought we've got to try to build an app for the iphone, see if it's possible for us to get it in this app store when it launches. Now we had no idea how to build an out for an iphone. We'd never done that. The books on it had no idea who could we found a nineteen year old on our team that loved apple, and that was about the only requirements you had back in two thousand eight to build up as the find some of its nineteen loves apple, and and then that was all you needed. And, and so again. Eight. Oh, he had a hit a full-time responsibility at the church, but we just kinda did a nights and weekends kinda project where we just said, let's try to build this up. We now we know what we're going forward. Just go for simple initially, a simple bible reading app, but you pick different versions, but it would just work as on an iphone. So we built this app submitted to apple and our surprise and July of two thousand eight with the app store launched. We were among the first two hundred ops over available the day that the ups store launched, which we didn't know at the time that was going to mean, but we were aiming for that because we just felt like it was super important for us to try to take advantage of the first in this opportunity, and that's what it was. We're the only bible up, of course that was among this I two hundred. But the key though is that we had all of these tens of thousands. I can't remember even how many I funds or out at the time, but there are a lot of iphones at art have been sold. They were all looking at this one place to download out in the bible was among those group of Apso. So. We were able to see a quick result from people install on the app that very first weekend. Yeah. So if you got something don't wait. The idea here is you get out there. I it has it. We're not talking about addition. We're talking about multiplication with exponents and I don't even know what I'm saying anymore, but it's big, right? I mean, that's the whole point. Yeah, no, absolutely. Because we, we'd never dissipated. What the numbers would look like. We saw we saw eighty three thousand people the very first weekend, install the app. If you'd asked me back then you know beforehand. Like if you said Bredon number down, I might have written down, fifty sixty thousand for the whole year. You know, might have been like as the big huge goal. And we saw eighty three thousand three days that came and so that blew our minds is what what was possible. But what what happened because of that first mover advantage, the fact that were out there I was that we were basically able to build off of that momentum very, very quickly. And you know today eighty three thousand. Thousand in people's turned into three hundred and forty plus million devices that have installed the out. But that momentum happened really fast in a in a really came because we were really one of the only one of the few absent were available when it started. Yeah. I know you talk a lot about being nimble, and I think that story, you just told a find in the nineteen year old who loved apple again a constraint, but you went, let's try it. You were nimble, is less just get this thing. Super simple in the app store and boom. How have you and team? I understand there's about thirty people in the team. Now, as you said, three hundred forty million people downloaded the app. How do you stay nimble? It's the number one thing that try to focus on as a leader today I've in it is like, I think you have to fight for nimble nece because every organization, every company I've ever seen as it grows and as you have success, it is extremely natural to get slower than. It's extremely natural to become more set in kind of how you do things in your ability to respond quickly to be able to turn quickly to be able to be dynamic and nimble is compromised. And so so I'm constantly looking for how to fight that tension between the systems that we need to to survive in onto support and the the structure that we need to support what we do and yet sort of forcing or fighting for nimble, nece as nor does Asian. So there's different ways you can do it. What we've done in recent months, we really separated the sort of operational aspect of what we do with the version because we've got millions of people that were supporting and they need sort of consistency, operational consistency. And I've kinda carved out a group of people that are helping us being Dimbleby by the have no operational responsibilities. They're not going to get sucked into the vortex of the operational needs, but rather are focused on pursuing new opportunities. They're looking at kind of what's happening today. Okay. What's happening tomorrow? What we see on the horizon and trying to make quick adjustments about new product ideas, new ways we can change, but it's not as simple as like a signing, a responsibility for an humbleness, think holistically. We have to kind of continue to look for where can we fight for speed? And that's been a heavy emphasis. I mean, our story has been about moving fast, following momentum, staying nimble, and really emphasizing speed over even accuracy for that matter. Like we don't have to be right about the future all the time. We don't be right and all of our predictions if we could just be really fast. Yeah, you can fix things that are broke fast. You can change direction when you realize that it's not working fast if your quick. But if you're slow at all you pretty much have to be a fortune teller and be out there saying, this is exactly what's going to happen five years from now, and we saw come in and we, we just hit it perfectly and I just don't who those people are. I'm not one of them. You know, I feel like the best way for us to get there is to just focus very. Very, very much on speed. It doesn't come natural. Nothing gets faster on its own. Everything gets slower by default has been my experience. And so as a leader, it's like, it's, it's always looking for where we can fight for speed and I want you to speak to that. So to keep that nimble nece you said I fight for it. That was your your phrase? Yeah. How do you end your leaders create a culture in which let's go speed. Let's go speed. Let's go speed us on worry about mistakes that's counter cultural to us as human beings. I mean, certainly in the American workforce, right? Oh, I'm worried about mistakes. I'm worried about screwing up. I wanna talk about character here. We're talking about functionality. So how do you create a culture where the team goes? Oh, okay. I guess Bobby really means us. I don't need to worry about screwing up. I just wanna try to quickly come up with the best solution, then we'll sit back and reflect. Yeah, I think it's how you handle screw up, says part of it because you can send a message as a leader. When someone makes a mistake that that the team would you told them to do this or not his setting up a system of policy process to ensure that never ever happens again and the cost of that policy of that procedure is feet or even the willingness to try. And so how you handle mistakes as a leader, how you emotionally, you know handle it, how you handle it in your communication? I think is key. I try not perfect at the human as anybody. I get frustrated when things don't go. Well when things don't work out, but I try to make sure that we earn courage in the team members that are involved that were trying to learn from what we can learn from. I don't like repeat mistakes. That's not part of the process. We don't make the same state multiple times were willing to make mistakes, but just making the same dumb mistake over and over again isn't acceptable, but that shows we're not learning anything. So we focused on what we learn, but then we have to kind of in some ways, just disconnect ourselves for the mistake and emotionally move for. They just get past the emotion of it and just say, we've got a press on now as when it comes to fighting for it. That looks like in in conversation in meeting there is a tension. There's always going to be kind of operational systems that are required. It cannot just be chaos in we. We don't have an organization that's full of chaos. There's a difference 'cause you can kind of tip one side of the pendulum and be completely chaotic and have no structure, no systems. That's not what it looks like. We hire people that are good at building structure and systems. I just view me as the other side of that tension. You know, my job is to kind of is to kind of constantly be pressing into our systems, you know to value the fact that they're there, but to kind of always be asking the question isn't necessary. Is there a way we can do this faster? Is there a way we can eliminate an unnecessary layer when it comes to team structure yet? I'm always trying to keep it as lean or thin as possible because extra people seem like a great resource, you know, but it tips over to. Point where it it costs you on speed. It actually slows things down. You know, we were super efficient with what we're doing. We had like three or four people as you add in team, you add add it to leadership structures than to add in certain things that tend to create tension, Cindy great friction is no way to avoid. There's no way to avoid systems. There's no way to avoid these things that are necessary operationally is to manage the tension and as a leader, I feel like Meyer responsibilities to always just make sure that there's a pretension towards speed because if it's not there, if it's not there in me of is not there in some of my leaders, then it will naturally sort of swing to complexity. It will swing to things that slow things down and any lose that number means to have a great organization. You can still have great support. It can still be a great place to work is still be all those things. But what you'll stop doing his innovating, you'll stop leading at some point. You know, you'll lose your position because you haven't had that that nimble nece to the ability to kind of move. Things for our. We started talking about vision. I want to circle back here before we wrap our time and talk about vision, you and I have a mutual friend named Andy who wrote a book called visionary, and it's a beautiful formula for casting vision. I'm not as much curious in how you cast vision Bobby. But I'm curious, how does the vision change to the point of adjustment that's much a wholesale change? Because if we've heard the stories of today and the original vision, it may you may not have seen the numbers, but the vision has come to fruition of what you really did envision back in at TSA line where you were trying to actually maintain your religion in that long line had. So I was curious now you've got mind boggling numbers, three hundred forty million people that have download it. We've mentioned that now we're talking about expanding the growth around the world more languages. I mean, it's flabbergasting and I'm not trying to, you know, flatter you, but it truly is flabbergasting. How do you adjust. The vision, we've had this much success the best way for me to answer it is I've grown even recently to kind of appreciate that there's a difference between being in the lead in leading and a bit of the great part of the story is sort of how quickly it grew in how fast the numbers of grown since then in. So in essence, when it comes to bible apps from the day that the store launched, we've always been in the lead. We've always been the biggest. We've always been number one in not that I'm trying to have a competition against other bible opposite, even among other apps in our category. You know, we've been number one against a mini other apps, and the problem with that is that you can as literally can kind of wake up in feel like you're leading just because you're in the lead. And the reality of it is is that there is a difference between being number one being in the lead and who's leading where this is going next, who's leading us forward into the future who's the leader that I. Wanna be following. And so oftentimes if you're looking ahead of you and you see like, hey, in our market, there's this other company, this other businesses other their way out their head. They're number one, they're the leader in the space while they might be number one. But that doesn't mean that you can't be the leader. You can't be the one that sort of leading what's next for your industry for your line of work for your type of product, whatever it might be. And I think that's encouraging on one hand because it just does it means that if you're behind on the leaderboard doesn't mean that you can't actually be the one that goes sort of figures out how we can leave for the other. The flip side of it though is what we actually always having to address that. Even though we're, the leader may be the leader by a long shot in terms of the number of devices or apple installs, whatever IV that we cannot stop leading. We cannot stop figuring out what the future needs to look like. What's our responsibility? You know, to kind of lead this Ford. And so that's why we're putting time investment. It's worth is. Where a lot of my energy goes personally in, I'm not as involved in the day-to-day operations of what we do as much as I am trying to shape kind of new ideas and things that I think would really kind of carry us Ford or or risky, you know, things that might not work at all kind of back to the homeless where we started in some degree like we're willing to kind of make give a try at this, but have no idea whether it's going to work and we might be a more barest by that failure than others would because there's an expectation now that we know what we're doing, and the truth is at puts a little more skin in the game, you know, because we'll try something might be a really visible failure where we might have been able to hide our failures publicly little bit more before. And so I think that distinction, though, of recognizing that there's a difference between being in the lead and leading is something I feel like drives me to feel like I have to continually push forward in in a main Volve things that we've felt like were fundamental to the vision of it that have to be different to lead us forward in the future humble and put that aside. That that's what it takes ambling to say. Look, you know, we're at to make some fundamental changes to what we thought was really important in for the future because we can see a different future ahead or we can see a different path though we might need to take. So I don't know what it looks like for each person that's that's watching listening, but I'm guessing that they're in one of those two scenarios and maybe a combination of both. You know that whatever they're doing, they may not be the leader, but they still have an opportunity lead or they might be in the lead and still not be leading in words go in and said, just kind of figuring out can answer that question of makes sense. That's vocabulary. Lesson I came up with, but but residence it makes sense. It's what happened to blockbuster, you know, exactly. I mean, I could come up with more examples. Toys r. us of these are big brands that were they were in the lead and they stopped leading. And then we woke up one day we went, oh my gosh, I can't believe toys r. us out of business. How does the biggest toy store in the world, God of business absolutely shops critic. Apple's really incredible. I think this is really important, and here's the other thing for those who want to be in the lead. It will all, you know, we're all competitor. Sure. We want to be number one, but boy, you better be leading on the way up the ladder. Absolutely effect. You have to be leading at some point to get in the lead right or not, you know, original stop. Yeah. The key is when you get there though. Exactly. Don't stop. Is gotta keep on leading. It's not like now that we're number one, we've achieved everything. It's like, no, no, no, it'd be a number one. You might be number one on the list, but that doesn't mean that you have a pass now on leading the what got you there you're going to have to continually do that continually work to do that in. It's tough because you're driven sometimes to to create new when you're not number one. Yes, sometimes that's what those motivators and when you get to the top, sometimes it's really easy. I think to say what were there and you kind of almost sort of believe yourself a little bit more you a little bit more of that confidence that you haven't figured out a pride, you know it'd be. Better way to say it and have to really fight against that. We've got this figured out, we know we're talking about you start to believe the things other people say about you and that I think is really something you have to really work hard to fight against sort of maintaining that humility that says, we don't get a pass on continuing. If we're not just the leader simple because we're number one to keep working at it. We have to keep earning the right to be the leaders biscuit what it means. Let me ask a potentially silly question. We've known each other long time, so you can tell me if it's silly and and the audience will be fine with it. If we're following what you just taught on the the idea of continuing to be leading, even if you're in the lead and what you just call out as a caution it feels like even though were we're in the lead. We as leaders need to put ourselves into some situations where there are some constraints so that we continue to have that might it feels to me like when you get in the lead, the constraints seem to fade a bit right, more resources, marine people, we are living the good life, right? The. Top is down. We're on the Pacific Coast Highway. It feels great winter, the hair and it's like we're no longer who we once were when we got this beautiful thing started, and that's a result of constraints seemed to disappear. Is that a silly question? Like, how do you put yourself in a constraint when you're killing it. Well, that's exactly what you said. I mean, he actually set it in your question all again. What I'm saying? How do you put yourself in a constraint? How do you create constraints answers that often times they have to be artificial constraints in you have to kind of come up with ways because you're right. The problem with success is that if you're not careful, you know the more success that you have. The thing that made you successful though the way they were thinking that led to your success. You stop thinking that way because you don't have to anymore. You don't have that same driver, same motivated that's kinda pushing you to do it. So I think some of it is very much like it's mindset is a huge part of it. What I just mentioned about leading and being in the lead is a mindset shift. It's like, okay, recognize them in the league, but that doesn't make me the leader. So some of the constraint is not sort of recognition. I have to go on, earn this, you know, every every day every month. So the constrain is that time it like I just don't keep it by the fact that I haven't. I lose it almost like like a points with your wife. You know what I mean? I it's the you. You might have earned. Points today, but they all go away at midnight tonight. I got him again tomorrow, you know, it's sort of like that. I don't preach. I've learned the, I've gained the respect to be the leader in a, but I'm no longer had lead, and I had a guy the other day that was very respectful. They were talking about some areas that we pioneered and he used the term. He goes, no, you guys were pioneers in this particular area. And when he said it, it wasn't. It wasn't in any disrespect. It may not even meant it this way. But what I heard it in this wasn't about new version is about a different thing that we worked on it. I heard it. I thought he's basically telling me that we used to be the leaders. And now he's building up on what we did in the past to do it better. And if he went on a hold the whole the whole story, and it was just an indicator to me that he doesn't see us as the leaders anymore. He saw says a group that we were in the lead. So as grip that once led, he referred to as pre are pioneering the space office coming, which and I, for me, that was just like a gut check for me as as like all, you know, this is an example of where I really feel like we gotta do a better job, you know, of leading. So so you're absolutely right. The your success can become kind of your worst enemy, your resources that you gain from success can become your worst enemy when it comes to paving a path forward, but the best you can do is create artificial constraints. You can. And I think just really self-awareness of that notion of the difference between being in the lead and leading is I think, kind of one of the keys. Bobby really good stuff as always great to talk to you and see you. Even though we're not in the same room and I gotta tell you, this is this is really fun to hear the story of something that has literally revolutionized a whole space and has had untold impact around the world. 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Connected 238: Weird Plex, But Okay

Connected

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Connected 238: Weird Plex, But Okay

"Hello. And welcome to connected episode two hundred and thirty eight made possible this week by fresh books. Squarespace and Worby Parker. I'm your host, Stephen Hackett. And because it is an even episode. I will I announce Mr. Federico vitucci. Hello, steven. Hello. Hello, everybody back you my rightful spot as the first what's an introduced t-. Is that is that a word? I don't know. That's that's good like. Hi, hi, bring up the rear. We have Mike early. This is bullsh-. Poise gel. Let's do this thing. Hi, mike. Thank you to Europe. I just saw you just a few days ago. We were in Atlanta together where we did a live episode of genius. And then y'all did alive of sort of the pen addict. At the Atlanta pimco, always Superfund trip. We'll put links to those in the show notes shell, but we have some follow up and the first piece here says Federico's whole childhood was ally. So Yes, What's happening? Made a very unsettling discovery. As was doing some research around thing that I mentioned last week and that made me very sad. And I spoke about this with Sylvia, my girlfriend, and we were shaken by these discovery. The one my committed joke about the keyboard, Butler, case said keys, and I didn't know who UAE was that funny. Any mentioned how Jeeves is this figure this Butler figure from I don't know some movie or TV show like what it from book series book series, okay show. And I said, oh like Ambrosio and Umbro Joe was this character. This Butler for the commercials of popular little chocolate thing the Ferreiro share. You guys are familiar with those right? Oh, you didn't have the ambbassador ads. No, no. We had the we. We had the lady shows how we call them the lady in yellow or something. And she was the lady of the forever. And I'm Brosio was her Butler a need, you know, drove the car and just randomly popped up to make sure that she had her daily dose of our share. That was what Umbro Joe was meant to do to supply her with for shares as much as possible. And but I what what I discovered is that by just googling Ambrosio forever. Shay that kind of stuff. I'm Brosio is a British man. I'm Reggie snotty in. I'm both. I'm bridges a British actor named Paul Williamson who he's a steel alive. He's very old at this point. But still I think working actually. And so, yeah, I'm Brosio not at anytime about later, but a British Butler playing talian and should have known at the time. I did notice that the was over silver going on. I reward the commercials on you can tell that. It's, you know, even the actress the lady, she's an American actress, I think that's super interesting because I don't remember these ads like for Russia like this thing about the ambassador site that was like the advertising and for my entire life. So it's strange that these dubs. I don't know them because I would have expected that they would be the UK ads, and then they dump them. Right. Like, that's what you would think that. I don't think that's what happened. Yeah. So Umbro Joe not a not an Italian Butler, but just you know, whatever copy tilles served in terms of actors and commercials. So very sad. Follow up, very sad story. I feel like this is, you know, it's it was one of the key figures of my childhood in terms of TV consumption, the Ferraro commercial, and I'm broad you. It's like second joke that people using Italy. Like literally like used it last week about ler one I just said about ambassador, you're spoiling us. That is a joke that people in the UK us, right? Let you see dinners at light ambassador's house or whatever. And then someone will bring out like this pyramid. Trae for Russia and someone's you'll spoiling. That thing that people say to each other is like it's like a mean. Right. It's like if someone's like someone's house, and they have like, oh, Bassetti spoiling us. So yeah. Like when when someone is bald and you call him, Mr Clean stuff like that. Yeah. Not so much. But sure it's in that Bain set of wen commercials and advertisements. I'm very very sorry. That that we had to be the reason you found out that your touch. Yeah. Also for Russia is not sponsoring this happy. So is a true story. Okay. That taking care of did remind me of Kate's. Awesome tweet where she illustrated keeps presenting a ipad. Keyboard case on what appears to be a golden platter because that's what. Keyboard keyboards deserve to be presented on. Yeah. And I love the lettering in this. The three D affect is very very Kate is the official illustrator of connected to go. Ago. We have some feedback about health kit data between multiple phones, I think this came up in Federico's multi watch lifestyle section of the show. Yes. I'll know. It was when we were talking about I cloud like that. You can't have. Iphone ipad. But it does sync from iphone to iphone. Yes. So Savan corrected us saying it does sync between two phones. But that it is re this is quoting ridiculously slow so slow that you would think it doesn't work at all. I love I love that phrasing. I can add that I will told the privately that it does merge, of course between devices so it, sinks and emerges. It's just it's kind of slow because it's I think it's due to the encryption going on. But it does work as we hoped. He would so even more so immesnse it is technically possible for apple to actually use these data on the ipad. Even though the the ipod will not capture any data it can at least present. So that would be technically possible already. Federal lemme ask you a question the answer. But I know the the twelve processor in the iphone has that motion co processor exa- just not exist on the ipad. I am not sure I think it does not exist. But I would need to double check on pop. Optima head. I put you on the spot. But my feeling is it does not have the that processor. Okay. I guess it. Why would it like it's it's tracking your steps. Although I think it also does some some of the hotel phone stuff the Wikipedia page for the motion co-processors says that it's in the twelve expl-. Okay. So maybe it's there, but it's just not doing its use for different thing. Just stinks. Yeah. The functions to collect sensitive from integrate accelerometers gyroscopes encompasses offload, the collecting and processing of sense data from the main central processing unit, and they I Pat still have that stuff in them. You can go for a walk with an ipad and use the app, there's a pedometer guess. I actually don't know if you can't do that though. Right. Like has the chip in it. But can you actually do that? I don't know this school say this was a question for underscore. Strap an ipad to your chest. Rounding up you could actually install a knife. An iphone my underscored just joined the chat, we have summoned David Smith. And apparently, it doesn't do step counter. Craziest things have happened. Why did that David's just like he's just luck and somewhere that was such a crazy thing? If you say his name, he will appeal we someday with on demand is that how this works. Underscores the service. He he crushed my dream of strapping an ipad to my chest and using it as a step count. You could still do that it just want work as a step counter is also like a crazy person. But that's from probably ironman type thing. Mike, tell us what's going on in the UK with apple music one the way you were go with that like general. I can't help that. Nobody knows apple music is finally available in the echo in the UK. Congratulations. I have no set it up because I decided I actually don't care about having it because I don't wanna listen to music on my gen one echo, Orinoco dot. But it's vailable now. So I just wanted to follow up on something, which is so ridiculous that Amazon take so long to roll out features two of echo products. But it's now available and you have spent some time with an ipad mini. I believe. Yeah. Friend of mine told us of the pen show had and he brought like many in the apple pennsyl-. And is a really great device. I just don't think it has a fit for me lakes is basically what you were saying to write you use it. If this looked like an ipad pro, it would be a very different scenario like so much of it feels like step back from what I'm used to. If you are an ipad, mini ONA. This is like a no-brainer upgrade totally because it moves super smooth super faucet looks tastic his older the stuff that you love about it and go for it. Like, it's wild like go crazy. The and the apple pencil is great on that. But it's DEP. Pencils way? Too. Big it's disproportionately bonkers using an apple pencil that is about as big as the ipad mini make that it just feels super we're to do that. But it's you know, it's it's it's available. If you want I think, it's a good product. But I'm pleased. I didn't get one. 'cause I just don't I wouldn't use it like. Multi pad lifestyle up his his pretty pretty set right now. And I don't need a device like this. But it is definitely a great upgrade for people that want that kind of device in their lives. So I did also focused a friend of mine, I punch us, and he was at depend show too. And he had an I. With him. And I was holding the ipod touch and was like, oh, man. This such so thin and light. And then I remembered the fun fact about the thinnest IOS device which is the new ipad. And it was funny because Brad had his ipad pro to put them down on a table next to each other like that devices finna than this one. Although you'd never believe it. It's like a super thin difference. Like the difference is miniscule, but it is possible to see it. But it's just hilarious when you holding the ipod, touch, which is like fills still like this impossibly thin does that it is. No longer the thinnest, Iowa suffice both new ipads, affinity. It's almost as if device thickness is not a problem for USCC. Like people think it is. They can go thinner, and so be on the iphone just holding out hope hope. Well, I mean, respectively, the ipads of our phones have USCC. Yeah. Maybe apple of pucks themselves into thermal corner with it. But it is definitely possible to put USB into funds. And this isn't a thing. Like, I'm not dying to I would love them to do it. But if I have to wait and have a couple of years, I'll wait of a couple of years, but I would really like to see you come to the iphone some point. I just wasn't one cable everything I had this while traveling this weekend, right and hotel, a multi charger, and it's like oh have a USB cable for my. I've had in my MAC book, but lightning for my phone and lightning. Like, we have all of the downsides of USB, see without the major upside. The only thinking about this in fields to me like the only upside of lightning is that it is the existing connector and hundred us more the only benefit is do not change it because it's going to be annoying. But like, and I guess maybe you could argue that if you get aligning cable from apple or one of the ones it's always gonna work irrespective of data transfers or charging rates those kinds of issues that maybe are still a problem with I feel like they used to be a problem. I feel like the situation has gotten better on that front. But me knows since who got USB to by two superspy dex f l yeah, I feel like now that she once, you know, okay, thick cable means also data transfers standard cable just means charging. Yeah. It's still confusing. So you could argue that lining is easier to understand just get aligning cable. But also the apple lining cables are terrible. Because the always break eventually after a few months like everybody, I know complaints about the lightning cables, everybody. So now, thankfully, I just saw that anchor launched this week the first. Am I fi- USC to lining cable that's out on Amazon dot com list? But really to me personally, I feel like the only benefit of keeping lightning is keeping lightning. So you don't have to change it. But I would love to have. Yes. Not to the extent though that I've seen some people say unless apple puts in the next iphone? I'm not gonna buy the next iphone of not like that. I'm gonna buy the next hyphen. Even if it doesn't have. Yes, BC, but you know, one can dream. I did just go to ankles website to get that linked to the cable put in Sean statue links out to Amazon, which is kind of interesting to me, but they had like a marketing hashtag, which I like, which is hashtag us anchor. Instead in such as really frigging good that is a brand that understands themselves like their main thing here is like ditch your freebie charges hashtag us anchor. Instead, it's very good people. It's people say. Yeah. That's very clever. I like that good work and come on getting people. Okay. We have a bunch more talk about until you about our first sponsor that is fresh books. Everyone likes to save time. And that's expecially important when you're freelancer and our friends at fresh books can save you two hundred ninety two hours with their simple cloud. Accounting software for freelancers by simplifying tasks like invoicing tracking expenses and getting paid online. I books has drastically reduced the time it takes for over ten million people to deal with their paperwork. Freshdirect has a couple of features. 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I is offering an unrestricted thirty day free trial for listeners of the show with no credit card acquired all you have to do is go to fresh books dot com slash connected and enter the code connected in the how did you hear about a section once again, that's fresh books dot com slash connected. We thank first books for their support of this show and relax them. So Stephen you've been out in the field doing some serious testing for us. Can you? Pull on your findings. Sure. So put a Lincoln the chat room as well. This link in the show notes is to a completely shattered apple watch series for my apple watch series to finally to drop test. We will be looking full. That's right. I said, you know, what my YouTube channel? It's not really growing the way I want it to drop some stuff. No, that's not what happened. So I was on a bike ride yesterday wearing a helmet because you should always wear a helmet when you're riding a bicycle people who don't asking for trouble or electric skateboards or an electric skateboard or rollerblades or or spaceship, a spaceship you should wear helmets. Definitely gravitational boots not enough. People talk about these that this these days Federico, I'm really pleased that you called that out. You know? Yeah. Some ships say real concern. We wanna get on the record about this. We believe in space ship safety. We do. So I was on my road bike, and I had a little tumble, and I learned a few things one fall detection on the apple watch does work if you crash bicycle enter the ground. Kind of laying there doing a self assessment. I'm okay like a sprained arrest, but that's the worst of it. I got checking Malkay to get up. And there's no one around, thankfully, because I'm sure it looked awesome. And all of a sudden my watch which I hadn't realized this broken at this point just going crazy saying, hey, you've taken a hard fall. We're going to call emergency services, and your conduct in you is it let me sound like buzzing levels doing it is vibrating way harder and faster than I've ever noticed it doing. I don't know if it was making a sound or not actually I have my watch on silent. I just don't recall. It was going to say yes that it was making a noise, but I'm not positive. It probably was because if you do the emergency SOS, it makes us aound, even if you don't even if you have it silent. I didn't have my notes out taking notes for the show in this moment as I'm pulling myself together, just not dedicate enough. I know I'm sorry. I'm sorry. My wrist up. And I realized that my watches totally shattered. And then I s a hey, yes, I'm okay, please, call a number one or my wife to end that now. And so yes, so follow action works and my watch is broken. But I have apple care. Plus, even though don't wear this watch every day anymore. I do really like it for exercise tracking. And so I'm like, I have an appointment later this week to get it a soft up. I have never met. Anybody the brakes as many apple devices as you do is unbelievable? The amount of stuff that you break. It's true. You I think every iphone you have owned since I've known you had to have repaired I've broken several phones. This is also my second watch. I've broken. Would you describe yourself as a clumsy person? Happened to crash bicycle every eighteen months or so for somebody who like wash ships computers to the level that you do Bill shrine. That's the thing to break them to fully love if I don't see the inside of them. It just doesn't mean anything I thought that was going different direction like someone who's into computers, you're outside a lot. That's kinda kinda hard. That is true. But like she still trying to make this better being. Ooh exercising. You still? You still your exercise too hard is what happened, and then you have a hole in your watch and my body, but. Did break did break. My original apple watch, also working out. So well that I really wasn't working out. It was in the locker at the gym. I dropped it out of the locker. Muscles. Just got so big that it just popped the watch right off. Right. Right. That's what you're saying. Why why hasn't Tim cook shared this story already? I don't know. I guess I'm taking it right from Twitter. So he hasn't seen it. I guess he'll he'll hear it on the podcast probably. See that's all the story. Really is like I said, I've pretty okay little banged up. But also five where helmet I would like listeners to stop petition to please ask you to stop just being so aggressive different type of workout. You can do you yours flying off that black man like just play stuff? I've had two crashes in like four years. It's a pretty good. Whereas zero crashes that I've had because I work out own. On that we need to review company life insurance. Oh, it's a really good story. Remember, if you just wanna make sure it covers mountain bike accidents. I wasn't the mountain bike. How is on the road bike different things that road bikes then? Yeah, it was the first crash on this bike. And I'm sad that damage to the break the pike. It's not broken. It's just scraped up and a wheel a little bit. But it fell off on the exploded. Yeah. Take it back in my truck and pieces, but it's. But it's fun. I have all the pieces. So I did I didn't make it back to my car. And I'm sure I looked like something like something really terrible happen because holding arm against me 'cause my wrist really hurt. And like, I'm bleeding down my leg. It's like, I'm fine. Just carry on with your day. Totally cool. Anyways, that's enough about me, Mike, you have a dilemma face, and you have come to the right place. You're looking to purchase a new television. And I think this is where if we could use our chat room power. We would summon John Syracuse, but he's probably at work. So what are you looking for? And what like what are your list of needs? And maybe we can help you decide what you get. All right. I've about TV since like twenty ten so I'm definitely on talking to this kid. Okay. You're a visions coming up. So like how people buy new televisions for the Super Bowl where thinking away planning to host a little Eurovision pie here. Mega cortex cottage would recall this place. So I want to get a new TV we've had our current TV for like two or three years, and it's been very good for us. We have like a Panasonic something. And it has like one of the good hasty TV's back when hitched Yale was stunned to happen. But I wanted I want to get a bigger TV. Like we were reserved, and we could have a much bigger TV than we have. And it would still be fine in the room. I think like most people you're always concerned that TV is going to be too big. So I figured as of interesting stuff happening with hung kit right now in TV's, four K and HDR's getting better on TV's. Plus, we have an event coming up, which is very television focused soul. And again, you TV and I don't know. I remember having this conversation. If you if everyone can cost minds back to win this news, breaking CS die said at some point. I'm going to get to a point where I'm going to need a new TV. And I'm not gonna have any idea. What one to get based on all the features that are available. And here, I am a met point. Right. Because initially I thought the Samsung TVs will be the best ones because they have the TV at built into them. But I still wanna use the apple TV. So that's not important right necessarily to have the TV up. Especially now that we know that some point we know this now like the TV's and the companies that I don't remember can anybody help me what of the three companies OG busy. Oh, Sony and video there will getting the apple TV app some point. Yeah. So the the most important thing to me, then is home kit support, right. Okay. As well. As obviously if it's a television. I wanted to be a good television like GDP panel full K H dot in west left. But we assume that given right? Okay. Okay. Okay. But what I wanna have is the home kit support because that just feels like something that I should go for now. You know, what I feel like that is like, oh, there's probably some good stuff in there. I know that you've enjoyed it. Federico? With your like home bridge set up so one I basically I'm looking for is what is the best TV panel, which isn't incredibly expensive that has Hunkin support. Okay. So. There's some questions that I need you need you to answer. Well, mostly I think it's a matter of taste in terms of certain specifics. Like would you like a TV that as a really good sandbar integrated with it or do you feel like the sound bar is not necessary? I'm throw about a sound before also do you want? So you you say you can leave without the I tunes app because when I use an apple TV anyway, you want home kit. Okay. Do you and ears where my personal taste comes in? I would strongly recommend that you get an all Ed TV yet. Just okay. Yeah. I wanna know that TV because I want to get like the best panel that I can get as well. All right. So like that is going to give me the best like h DR on stuff. All right. So I recommend you read through. There's a digital foundry Argo land for those unaware digital foundry is like the technical. Vertical as they call it. Like the section of your game, which is excellent video game website where they do technical analysis of all kinds of games and performance issues, and that kind of stuff, and they are not the best for Katie for gaming. So for us this forbidden games. And I think you are because he love video games, and your pro now, you wanna get a TV that has very low input latency that would be, you know, the time between when you press a button on the controller, and when you see the action on screen, so you wanna make sure that you got around twenty twenty two minutes second input latency that kind of stuff. And of course, these article has all the details here that you need to care about. Also, you wanna check how a panel deals with ten eighty p content because not all content is going to be writing for K. Of course, you have a PS for pro. That's not an issue, for example, with intendo sweets. You're gonna play internet repeat? So you wanna you wanna see? This gonna do some kind of filtering for tiny p what kind of up scaling mode. It's gonna offer. And there's of course union you also need to check for example. Do you wanna have what's it called HD are plus or do you want to have vision? I personally recommend division and atmos-, right? Is it thing? Now, some of these questions, I don't know that one you just asked me. Okay. So my advice would be get an LG TV also happens to be the top recommendation from Uruguay Mer the new version of the LG the c model. This one is called the eight. I think it should be the twenty nine hundred model which has home kit integration. It's gonna have homecare integration. Any runs web address. This have it yet. I don't think it has yet. But I'll g promised that. This is one of the models. That's gonna get home kit via software update the twenty nine hundred ninety. I mean, it's on Apple's website. So, you know, so as airpower, Mr.. Somebody ring the app how bell even if the done deliver in these your Sigel own breached, but I understand you want to have the native integration edgy promised. The twenty nineteen models and beyond we'll have the native kit support this one as dull vision, which is the r dot me atmos-, which is a really good sound. But I don't think it's got a sound bar built in. But I can Mike. People recommend in the Sonos on Amazon's website. Okay. I have an G O lead. Tv I have the B line. I have the b seven your TV's. It's ounce. Really good. You've seen it. It's a bit too. Big paddle looks fantastic. It's super fine for gaming. I have an Xbox One. X I have a PS for pro. And I have a switch Hollick top to the to this TV, and it's beautiful web, personally, obscene, other Sony and enjoy TV's I prefer well as it's actually fast it works. Okay. And you know, when you're actually watching if you watch a live television, but it's got the all these integrations like with smart TV stuff that you can use from the remote. It works. Really great. There are other. Options. I think you could get another Panasonic all Ed does also recommended by digital foundry. But personally, I don't know visa myself on never seen or tested the TV. I think Jason as zero if I'm not mistaken, I think he used to. I don't think I think when he changed recently. He went someone the TLC got TNC. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So my recommendation would be check out this article, and maybe watch some YouTube videos. I remember at the time I watch a lot of YouTube reviews before buying the TV that I have. But the yell gee all the c-h-a-d with upcoming on kit. Support would be a good choice for you. I think or you could always wait for one of these sixteen k panels that Sony announced like takes up an entire wall. But good, I'm good. So on Apple's website. It just says L G O lead twenty nineteen. Yeah. Yeah. So we're assuming that this is one of those. Yeah. I think the I think the c nine exists. I'm just gonna say the. The. Just into double. Check of the actually the twenty nineteen version. I'm not sure at this point new, you're making me second guess myself. Get my recommendation will be the twenty nineteen geo lead whatever it comes out if it's not out already. Okay. I mean, I'm looking at the page, and it looks good. It's not cheap. But it looks good. So this probably what I'll do. Then really like I don't wanna do a lot of research. What I want to happen is what just happened with you have told me what to do. So the see nine the nine exists, by the way, the next version. So I'm guessing that this is the the train I wanted to see nine the let's see let's see what it says. I'm on the webpage right now. They'll be vision for k. Yeah. Google. Oh, it's got it's got Amazon integration. Google integration. Got a bunch more stuff than my model. To this is the one that I want them the c nine yet. I think this is the one from twenty nineteen our will double check real quick for you by our go with this one. Why you've got to the say nine is is more modern than the. But then again, TV I think numbering is in just an impossible thing. Two two five nine to five MAC. They have an article mentioned in this was from March fifteenth. So about a month ago algae, releasing I twenty nineteen TV's with home kit and airplay to results on other things you care about. Yeah. That's kind of what I meant with the homecare. So the next month and the c-9 models. Yup. Seventy seven seventy seven inches sixty five and fifty five. Yep. This is the one that I want then this is terrible news. Then isn't it? Because I can only imagine a brand new Ola TV is that is just been released is very expensive. Yep. Be sure to buy with my Emma's on affiliate link. Please. Straight out. That's the one of the show notes. I don't think it's on Amazon. Yeah. Dude. I'm looking at it right here in the same country. Well, you ship it to you. Any consolation, Mike? That's exactly what I paid for my bee's Avin when it wasn't you? So okay. Yep. Yup. Yeah. This one isn't even on Amazon in the UK. Okay. Amazon either I bought it from a store. Expensive. Well, you asked for all the good things. If I wanna get all of the current new technology. That's what I'm going to have to deal with. Yeah. I'm sorry. Well, think about it think about it. And you know, we'll follow up on your decision. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna look around. I don't know what I'm gonna buy, but like brick if I'm gonna very gently Edina she wants she's interested in a new TV too. I don't know if she's necessarily going to be interested. But I tell you what the price is. But yeah. Wow. These are expensive. Yeah. Looks awesome though. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I haven't shot for TV in a long time. But if I were to have to go buy something today, I would buy L G O lead just pants down. It seems like it's way to go. Okay. There was a story. Just this morning actually from our friend, Mr. Rambo nine to five MAC backing up some stuff that Steve Smith talked about on Twitter that the next version of MAC OS ten point fifteen would include standalone apps for music podcasts and TV as well. As redesigned for the books app, which until I read this paragraph. Totally forgot was on my computer, just like I never read in the apple bookstore stuff. But seems like these are all going to be using fancy marzipan stuff, which I think is to be expected, and he's got the icons here, which look very nice. And I just curious what y'all think about this? I mean, we've all. All sort of poked fun of itunes for really long time for really good reasons. And do we think that it breaking this out will make sense on the MAC, I cannot wait for these to happen on sleet like to have a more. Similar experience on the MAC that I got on US to have dedicated apps for podcasts and TV and music, like whenever you know, some. Some every once in awhile, I test the apple podcasts up, and eventually I go back to overcast because of the sound effects mar speed, but whenever I'm testing podcasts. And I started listening on my iphone, and then I'm using my mic, mini and a realize I want to continue listening to this. And then realize well, I got open I in some like, Nope. I don't just I don't wanna open I wait for my to sink. So I cannot wait for these to happen. I'm coups to see what apple is going to do in terms of items and specifically in terms of managing your music library because I do wonder if those who keep a collection of music files is that feature going to remain separate from the music hap-. So he's apple going to do just an apple music client as a separate marzipan app. Or are they going to roll that feature into music? I don't think so I don't think they will. I think they will keep agents around for. This kind of stuff, but you know, one can dream that, you know, eventually, you will be able both on the MAC and US to actually import amp threes, and that kind of stuff into your musical berry. But I have a feeling they're just keep actions around. And that's about it. That's going to be the case. The it doesn't match with the business model. Right. They want you to choose apple music because in theory, all the music, you want should be that. If it isn't you're on our case, and you can use chains. I think to looking at it from the engineering side of it. I think that just getting these apps up on the MAC is a big enough deal for one year. So I would imagine the launch versions of these will be more or less. What is on the ipad? Now. Right. That whatever the the music app on the ipad does now either good or bad will be basically what's on. Mac, and I think after this to maybe looking for two or three years that come back, and if they're going to add quote unquote, legacy features to these apps, it would be it would be then because I tend to still be around. And if you still need those features, you could just dumpster, dive utilities folder and find it. If you need it. But I would imagine for most people just having. The music stuff there. And I assume I tunes match that. You're matched music would be there to again because that's how it is on the ipad that that's how this is going to begin. Because that that stuff will lives in the cloud now all up there. It's there like you don't need I tunes to listen to cloud music library, right files. They're there. Yeah. So yeah, they agreed at our if you are someone who imports MP threes to your items, I which I do sometimes download concerts and put him in and I tunes that is my guess would be this app doesn't do that. And that if that becomes an important feature that would be added over time. But you know, I'm trying to keep my expectations low for these apps going in as far as features. I do expect them however to work better than the marzipan apps. We see now because they are just garbage and a lot of places I hope the better than that. But to think that this is going to be like a modern take on. I tunes maybe a bit of a stretch for day one. You would be fooling yourself to think that it would be anything more because then it's almost upon app is it then it's a new app, which they haven't done yet. Right. Then gonna do like this isn't a criticism the music app on the ipad is buying lodge, mostly fine, right? Like for what you need to. Do. We spoken about some changes apple could make to the to the app to the service in the past. I think it's mostly fine. It why tell you what it is. It's better than using music. And I can tell you like if you like all those people who think it's they say garbage, which rather have garbage or just be said garbage on file, which is like the kiss, really, really bad. And I started Boll just searching searching for music and the tunes app is abysmal such about experience. So yeah, it's gonna be the ipad version, but there is a benefit to that. Right. Like, I think that this is like one of the intrinsic. Of Mazatlan what it should do if if the Mazatlan scheme works while is it will move these apps forward for everyone. Right. Like if apple consider these ipad apps to be the way that they want MAC apps to be it's gonna make these apps better for, ipads, and Macs. Like that's the goal. So I think this is I think this is only a good thing. And I'm excited. I'm excited about it. I think it's good as long as the one feature you need makes it makes it in. Or at least I don't make it impossible. Right. Like, it doesn't matter. If you can't lodger music falls into the music, compass long as I choose remains on your MAC somewhere. Yeah. Right. It's like garage six number one away or QuickTime seven is just going away this year in. Oh, yes. John Jason talked about on upgrade this week. But. That's always the friction here. Right. Like is this more like a final cut situation where the new version is so hampered and things people really needed weren't there and everyone freaked out or is the delta between tunes in this. So great that people are willing to go back to items only when they they need to my guess is. It's the latter. I think the good thing is you already know though. Right. Like if you use music on Iowa's and are unhappy with it because of a feature that's missing that features. Probably can still be missing are. If you use music in Iowa, and you never like gushed on it. I can't do this which I can do ITN's if you never have that feeling and you're gonna be fine because they're going to be the same. So it's a little bit different to the final thing with the final thing kind of kind of came out of nowhere. So it's wiped everybody, and it's also different because people made their living with Donald writes. Absolutely. And that that made it made it different. But, but like, we already know what it looks like an I tunes is so bad that people are going to be willing to forgive a lot of this. I think if this app works and looks good on the MAC. I just all this point. That's the problem. I guess the point that I should make is that they'll still a bunch of things that you can do in Aikins way, apple music, not necessarily with your music files. Like, for example, you can add stuff to smart playlists, or you know, you can inspect more information about songs that kind of stuff that you can do is. It's four apple music that you cannot do in music on IOS. So it would be nice to have a list feature parity for the apple music experience as it is right now in the future Musica for MAC. But as you mentioned that think, you know, I'll be fine. If unit even if they just remove a couple of features, maybe eventually bring those back. I think stuff like that is probably gonna go away. They feel like, you know, again like niche stages, and they're only features really. That exist because I had them, you know. So like, it's just it's probably easier to have apple music songs. Respect those features than it is to remove them. They haven't added them in music, like smart playlists are cool. But you know, what people think is cool. And now, you know, like just in general carry playlists play this made by tissue intelligence. I that's what people want to give you now of want small planet on. And the info thing is like that is like a Federico t special. You know, what I mean, that's something that you really love and I get but like that is I don't think that's the thing that people like oh who produced this track. Let me let me go to get invo- amac and find out you know, what I mean? Yeah. Well, I don't care personally because I keep labyrinth plaques. But yeah, I got a weird plex. But okay, all my God. I love you. That's okay. Well, the the books bit of this is interesting to again, this has been on the MAC now since Mavericks, I think, but it looks like a re worked version of books again. My my sumptiousness Mars the paint here. Even though the article is a little man. Remember mavericks? Yeah. About those weird. What was that up? It was the last version of the old UI what what was Neely Merrick's maps. Maybe. Yes. All those. Yeah. Let's see. Mavericks revue every oh was it the one that was not it with the new you I for opening and saving files without no. That was lion. Thank. Maybe books on Mojave. Or is it I because I'm running high Sierra. Okay. Still running high Sierra. Yeah. Even though I'm getting these like undisputable notifications now about upgrading to upgrade. It's totally fine. Yeah. I will. I just haven't like on. This point is just I'm on on high Sierra for Natia like rather than fair because I have Mojave on my MAC, mini so Mavericks brought I books and maps and some updates to other things anyways. Not nothing wild issue. Get rid of the Letheren calendar. So that was good good. Good change back to the topic at hand books. This new version of books will have support for audio books and have basically a separate book and audio book store, which I think is make sense. And yeah, kind of bring it up to up to speed. Earlier. I just don't ever use apple books for anything. I mean, I've got it. And I probably have a few things in there. But I've been on the kindle early long time. I just wonder how many people are reading books on their MAC. This is important or maybe audiobooks is I feel like it's like a reference thing. Like when you're working, right? That you like maybe read it on your pad. And then you have your notes in your sitting down at your MAC, and you've got your notes up, right? As opposed to like it. I find it. Like an interesting thought of somebody's sitting on the MAC book. I'm reading a whole novel like that to Zemes less than ideal for me, unless it's here only device that you have right? The as the biggest green. So you wanna use that? But I don't imagine that it is an incredibly high use case. But like would be good full. Like would be good for for reference stuff. The adding of audiobooks even funny to me because I really can't imagine. Somebody listening to an audio book saying a MAC sitting at your laptop listening. Yeah. That one seems even hotter to me than than like e books, but to each their own, you know, it's probably the same people who play games, amac. So let's people don't exist. Some of them. This connected is brought to you by our friends at squarespace. 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Which is it is of interest to awesome, people that use a lot is something called the touch type pro. And it is a kind of folio case that enables you to easily use a apple magic. Keyboard Vira bluetooth connection with the ipad pro and this Kickstarter campaign launched yesterday. Thank. Our friend. Mr. Federica vitucci has a prototype model of this device. So we're gonna talk about. Yeah. I think it's a production early production unity. Looks finished there's logo and everything. So yeah. So the Kickstarter is run by guy called Sam and says you who made a product years ago to touch type back in two thousand twelve which was again, pretty much very similar thing. Right. Like to be able to use a magic keyboard. I think it was a magic people with an ipad. But now, it's like more of even more of a thing than it was before. Because Kibo cases a much more well-known thing, and I've been doing a little bit dig into the Kickstarter campaign. So I was wondering the the timeline on this campaign is pretty aggressive like with delivery in August. Now, I thought that was that was interesting, but I took a look through the Cuban a and the kind of risks and challenges section, and it seems like they have already paid for the production. Molds and stuff like that. Or at least has gone for making prototypes as well. As manufacturers. So that would suggest that they may be pretty far on the line. However, I will say this is a kick Celtic campaign, and I will just say, I think August seems pretty aggressive. So you always know doesn't matter like if Eriko has an incredible prototype this publicly made that could be a problem that makes this stuff delight. I'm not saying that will be but like kick saw through Kickstarter and sometimes difficult. Yep. Yep. Yep. That said go check out the campaign. There's video there's bunch of animated gifts that you can see to get an idea out together kicks. Yup. Yeah. And Venus in this thing for for two weeks. I think of these points of is it mostly a home for reasons that I will mention surely also tested in my car because he spent a bunch of time every week waiting in the car, and I need to be able to use the ipad there. So the this is kind of peculiar for an NYPD accessories. Those the way that this works is there's a follow case as mentioned so you put the ipad into this plastic case. That's kinda like what Logitech is doing in that you put the into the plastic shell. It's actually not a terrible experience. Because there's a the top side as long opening to make sure that you can charge the pencils or that makes it easier to put it into the case and get it out of the case. Well, and also to put it in leave it that people that it's left that because you can still charge the pencil and stuff like that. Right. Like, you more willing to keep it. Yeah. So exactly it. So the entire basically the entire top side when using landscape is free. So you can charge the pencil, and it's gonna be fine. But attached to the case is this folding cover that when it's closed it wraps around the ipad. And also there's this final part of the cover that is actually like this folding kind of like a folding flap that actually covers the pencil. So what everything is closed? It covers the pencil to keeps the pencil in place and make ensures that when you put everything in your bag, for example, you will not find the pencil at the bottom of your bag. So he will secure and protect the pencil actually works. But this cover as we've seen with other folio covers before also acts as a kick stand of sorts in that when you place it on a desk the cover as as basically falls and creates like stand in the back of the ipad. Now, the magic keyboard the way that he. Plays into all of this his kinda ingenious in that. There's a separate case for the magic keyboard. So you put the Medicaid or the second generation model not the old one into the case the case as this flexible attack magnetic attachment that reminds me a little of the old razor keyboard for the first generation ipad. Pro it's got this flexible attachment that uses magnets to attach to the bottom of the case. So the magic word is attached magnetically to the front of the ipad. The cover the main cover. You lay down flat on your desk. You put the magic keyboard on top. And both inside the cover and into the magic keyboard case, there's magnets, and they create this kind of like a train track system where like you can slide the magic keyboard onto this cover to adjust the viewing angle of the ipad. So the cover combined the magic keyboard, they make the I stand up right, and thanks to magnets, you can adjust Yangel. So you can I guess one of the benefits of this one of opposed to raise a keyboard? Is that the case extends so that even the magic keyboard? When it's connected to the ipad is supported by the case on the ninth. Right. So it's probably easy to use on your lap because the Raisa keyboard it just wanted to fall Apollo the time. Yeah. Because the kick San was an actual kick. Stand made of metal in the back. There was nothing supporting the connection between the keyboard? And the ipad case. And really, it's one of those things you just gotta take a look at the picture and the video to get an idea because when you when you describe it in words, it's just a bunch of words, it's really understand once you see it. And I guess there's also the wall. So makes it unique is that if you don't wanna use them educated. Of course, you can detach it because the there's a detaches via magnets. Of course, does not use Mark connector. This is all bluetooth. The magic word is a bluetooth keyboard. So you can detach it and use it, for example, you can keep the op-ed on your table and use the keyboard on your lap. If you wish to do. So, but also what you can do if you're done working, for example. And you wanna put everything away you can fold the magic keyboard behind the ipad. So between the ipad and the case you can hide the magic word. Beneath the ipad than close the cover and you end up with this integrated like unique package, the looks like a sandwich. It's like ipad. Keyboard cover everything together. It's of course, he adds a bunch of weight and a little it's a little book and heavy, but if that is no concern for you. It actually works Thais. You're going to keep the app the, Medicaid and the pencil and this case all close together. You can throw it in a bag and forget about it. Now. I believe that this accessory is mostly a desk accessory. I don't think while this is not as portable as this marketer for you for first of all because it's much heavier. There's a, you know, there's a saved this comparison. So the ipad the twelve point nine inch high with the smart keyboard folio is two point three pounds of the I put pro with the breed with upcoming rich keyboards gonna be two point nine six pounds, the touch type is three point four pounds. So how? Well, there's a there's two plastic aces both of them have magnets inside. And there's this long cover that folds to to you know, to act as the surface for the magic keyboard. And it also becomes a folio for the abbot where everything is close. Our just assumed a big chunk of aluminium. Right. That is the bridge. Keeble would be more would be heavier. It's just a surprise to me to see those because that's significant dogpound adults. So that also includes the magic keyboard, though, we'll show, but the bridge has the keyboard it too. Yeah. Cable. Yeah. Well, it's a bunch of plastic and the ads wait to the entire package there some caveats that I should mention I think it's a bit. I think the sliding system to adjust between angle. So you got hold them educated and slide it on top of the covers basically the cover becomes the surface is a bit awkward in that you got up pay attention to what you do. So what I do is. I grab the keyboard with both hands and slide it, but I get you know, it's it's quite easy to detach them educatable from the case. So that can be a bit awkward that just feels like like with a love this. This is one of the things that you just get used to and get better over time. Yes. I agree. Yeah. Get used to it. What else? Well, of course, the magic keyboard. You know, we talked about it before it's got media. He's so that's convenient. But it doesn't have all the media keys shortcuts that you got for example, from the Logitech like home button or search that kind of stuff does not have that. It's only got, you know, controlling playback, for example. It's not backlit, and it's bluetooth. So if those are important reasons for you to get a different keyboard, you should consider those lean folly of that we talked about last week from Logitech. But what I do like is that I'm a fan of the magic word myself. And if you're looking to integrate the magic keyboard with the app, it pro I think this is an if you're willing to accept that. This is mostly going to be dusk device because of the weight concerns, and because it it becomes a really Boehlke package. You know, when you when you close it all together, I'll try and have a picture in your show nuts. It looks. It's fake though. Like how comfortable and easy to use on your lamp. I think. I think it's better on a pet to the small folio. Well, I think this more folios better on your lap. Because there's fewer move moving parts right for desk. I think it's it's so much better. Because you get in a better keyboard. And because it, you know, everything's bit more stable on a desk. I think it's fine on your lap. I don't think it sterile. I still think the smart keyboard folios is better because there's fewer moving parts. Opping is any Muslim I desk or the kitchen table, and I like it because I you know, I can type faster on the magic word and the keyboard folio of I ask you about that with the desk, then so I use a stand and imagine keyboard. Is that not better than a case and imagine keyboard? So by with the stand you mean like something that I the high of the. Look stand. Right. Which is okay. Many stance that I found this was one that I liked the most. And with that I have high adjustment as well. As angle adjustment. Okay. And I can then use the magic keyboard. Okay. So this thing is still going to have to look down. Yeah. Because it's you know, doesn't adjust the height of broke. I guess I should mention that. Because of the opening of the case on the longer side. You can remove the ipod from the case and put in portrait mode few. There's a photo of these. I think or maybe shown in the video it makes me very nervous topple topple over. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's this is not a replacement for that kind of side up. So if you need higher adjustment to prevent things like next stream, for example. I think you should stay with your setup Mike because if you look down, you know, for several hours, you're gonna feel that and. Also, you know, the difference when you use a stand you need to reach for the screen with this thing, I feel like it's a bit more comfortable because you can keep your elbows on the table and just touched the ipad. I think it's a bit easier maybe than just using a vertical send to with this thing you're going to have to look down because it doesn't adjust the height of. Yep. It pro for your personal use case. I was suggested not to get this thing. Yeah. This this product is not for me out at all. Just I can talk into you. It's like too heavy for me to wanna carry around with me. And it looks like Super Bowl ki- like because it's got the magic Kibo, which is thick thing. And then a home it's not gonna provide me with what I want. Anyway, because I don't I'm at you know, trying to reduce the amount of time. I'm saying a desk looking down. I wanna have to be looking front of me. I just find that more comfortable, and I find that like using the apple pencil like mostly keep my arms on table and just reach up and just have something. Yeah. This I can see the appeal of this product for some people. But I I don't think that it's wants to me. It also is like love the the magic of the magic Hiba like it's fine. It's no I do like it is interesting. This case is the newest in a long line of products that try to marry the ipad and like apples booth keyboard there is the in case origami workstation back forever ago. Amazon tells me I purchased it in twenty twelve that, you know, is the keyboard snapping into it and the original pad went into studio needed the canopy, which kinda does it work with modern ipad, well within vessels. I wish it did. You kinda have to like something in there to the bottom, isn't below the keyboard? I wish there were some how does this thing do that? Oh, it's totally fine oka- because the case. Is thicker as the separation between the separation also the plastic as at the on the bottom edge is thicker and wider. So that it sort of extends the ipad a bit more vertically. So that the homily indicator does not interfere with the Medicare. Where also there's a distance between them because there's the attachment. So it's totally fine. I like it myself the spite of the it's nice that. Because I travel just once a week now not twice a week. I mostly work with the ipad pro when I'm home these days. And so it's nice that I can just open. This got work done for five six hours, close everything and charge via USB see, and I never have to take out the individual parts when I travel a used this marketable folio or if I want to type on my lap. I used as marketable folio, which I as I confessed I think last week in using more. So. My recommendation would be if you love them educated. And if you use your ipad pro at a desk, and if you like these idea of integrating the two in a single package, I think you should consider this one. There's other ways that you can use them educated with with an ipad. Pro I think none of them are as you know, putting together all both parts the app throw the educated they do that as well. As this one. Does there's a as I mentioned, it's it can be awkward to adjust the viewing angle, and you're not gonna you know, you're still going to be stuck with bluetooth. So you don't get the, you know, the simplicity of this market for follow. But if you work at ask, I think, it's I think it's a very clever idea. I think it's very well done. Yeah. So go check out the key Sutter companion make sure that ticket the video and the pictures to get a better idea, whether this is for your or not. Hank? It is a very good idea of a lot of really interesting details. Yeah. Like, the magnetic stuff in the case is really good because you get almost infinite degrees of you find what was just right for you. But like, this just isn't fa my personal agronomic needs. But that doesn't mean that it's not feels right? Like if you'll sitting and using the small folio all day every day sitting desk, maybe this is a better option than that one. But if you're like me is somebody who's trying to use the small folio last one, I'm working this isn't going to give me what I want. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. This is not for you. But I there's a bunch of people out there like them educated or maybe just owned educatable don't wanna buy another keyboard. And you know, they consider this case to sort of integrate the two of them together in a better way than others Lucians right now. So if you're that type of person, I say, go check out the campaign watched the video, and then maybe consider the twelve point nine inch version or the l'avenir version, and I think I saw on Reddit that if you order the eleven inch version, and then later change your mind, you can still swap it for and ten point five inch version for the old diaper Pearl. There's a there's an FAQ about this somewhere. So. Yeah. Go check out the campaign watch the video make sure that you also watch the gifts because they really do give you an idea of this works. This episode of connected is also brought to you by Worby Parker quality eyewear at a fraction of the usual price. 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But this is biased as we can make them, but everyone has biases biases thing you have to accept the bias exists. So like, I just wanna say all of that. We're gonna talk about what it's like to use this thing. It's probably going to sound like some of the stuff talking about when we've done ads because in the as we talk about how we use it. But this is not sponsored content. There's nothing more. I can say that in that. We're just going to talk about his optical. Lure is also sponsored my website and my podcasts. But as I said as a running the article, this is entirely based on my. Opinion of the lowest paid that. I bought myself a didn't tell them they have no idea was working on these articles. So you can trust us or not. But you know, personally, I can say that these entirely based on what I've been doing myself for that. I bought and paid for. So that seat for the disclaimer. Thank you, Mike. So yeah, what do you guys want to know about the article that I published? Well, I think as a few things which is interesting to me. We are using this device in some similar ways but slightly differently. So like I use Klein with my MAC completely headless. There's no monitor attached to my mind. Really? Yeah. Yeah. And I can maybe talk about some of the ways the ideal with the problems that you've had. Well, like, the things that you seem to have what very well for you like, for example, one of them like today when I for some reason Luna display wouldn't connect like the MAC could restart it. I don't allied to that. But I use screens then to look into the MAC to log in. So I don't need to connect to a monitor a Nashes because the MAC mini. You'll MAC mini serves a purpose as an as an actual machine you using to like recall puck awesome. When might doesn't is like home server and like media stuff in which to do more with it. So that the difference there? But I just don't need it attached to a monitor. So that was pretty well for me. But I've I think one of the key positives is like the thing that I love so much to the idea of having MAC OS is an app, and I basically and the flexibility that that gives you like because there are things are easier and can be done way foster back on on IOS. I don't think I've ever said anything to the country. So it's really good to have something like that. And I feel like that's kind of where you are. So I was just wondering like what what are you doing with the MAC that you want doing via? So that you've kind of moved with using Linda display like why do you need this, basically? Okay question. I feel like there's not necessarily things that I can that. I cannot do on US. If I wanted to. There's a things that I now that have MAC that is faster than the one that I used to have any teaser to us in that. It's always on just need to sit down and press, a key on the keyboard to wake it. I think it's a seizure for me to do those things on on on the MAC mini when I'm home. There's also things that I was not doing before like running plaques library or running home bridge server that I was doing before. Because I didn't have a MAC mini Sarai had a macbook pro. So now that I have those I want to be able to manage them, but to give some actual examples beside plaques and back blaze, and you know, I tunes which I use a lot in terms of IT is the that can be controlled with automation. If you wanna have scripts to deal with connecting to replace speakers. For example, there's no automation support for airplay on I us for. The IRS music app, but we IT's you can create scripts that allow you to play specific place in specific modes on specific speakers, and I wrote about this shortcuts before. So that's something that I do. But also things that I could do yours, but that I prefer to do on the MAC whenever possible downloading files from safari. I mentioned a few weeks ago. I think I had to download the few gigabytes of different zip files fry. Yeah. Coulda us. I cab just easier to safari on the MAC just because it's got a download manager. It just click the links, and you don't bunch of thousand you can see the progress. And that's it or for whatever reason you gave me this tip, Michael. If you think if you months ago, if you try and copy reach text from Evernote IS and paste that text in Google docs on US illusion. You're formatting if a copy reach text from ever not on the MAC and pasted in safari Google docs on the MEK. It keeps the exact same for matting that reached ex all your lists all your indentation. Everything's fine. Because reached just does not work. I s as we know it's worse. If you try and have happy do that pacing. Right. It is worse because I I very set up an automation sometime. We'll do bracingly where he would be able to send something from Evernote to Google docs, fire is app here. Action of some descriptions Appier is the TT on steroids, basically, for reasons unknown to everybody when this would happen. It would pay in the formatted text correctly from Evan but remove the formatting of everything else in the document. Yes. That's one of those funny things where I said, a federal co I think your script is broken everything. And he's like there's no way it can do that. And I was like, I I understand let's look together. And then he's like oh. I don't know if you ever found out why that happened. But like there was a link. I told zap Zappia I told them and their response was, you know, those I mean, I love that peer, but there was kind of annoying like our paying customer, and if you know how much sap your costs, you know, it's not cheap. The response through the extent of. Yeah. We're aware of this. Can you go through this form, and send us a bunch of details about all that you did? It's like. Like, you know, I understand what these processes are like, but can you just look him account? And do it for me because I I really don't have the time to sit down and file raiders sensually for that. Like, anyway, I love that. You know, maybe they'll figure it out without my help because you know, forget about these things anyway. So they know about I don't know voted problems. But they do apparently. So anyway, the article that I published is these idea of using play on pro to access the MAC, mini and the Formica's when I needed but trying to find ways to optimize these experience on sort of making it easier and faster and a bit more flexible, maybe to use mcelroy's on the ipad through the lunar display so little scripts little shortcuts little financement that I come up. Up to make it better than the default experience. I think that would be one of the things I found very fascinating with the accessibility keyboard, which I didn't even know existed. Yeah. So I think this was something that I discovered last year. And you know, I always put off in those things that you like. Yeah. One day, I'm going to experiment with this. So the idea is that there's a whole suite of autumn of accessibility. Features on mecca last US, but a MEK less. One of them is the keyboard, which by default. It is an onscreen Corey keyboard. It's a standard keyboard for folks with physical and motor impairments that wanna be able to type, but using an onscreen keyboard rather than a physical keyboard. What's great about? This is that as you know, many excessively to features always often do it goes beyond the. Traditional realm of accessibility. Because it allows you to customize the the entire thing for whatever need you may have. And what you can do with excessively. Keyboard is create multiple panels there called panels this keyboards, and there's a free app that is built and available right? On your MAC called panel, editor and Ilets you design your own keyboard? They let you design your own custom onscreen keyboard that can be a stunner keyboard or can be just a collection of buttons. And those buttons you create those like this ill looks like an image editor you have. Agreed. You have a canvas and you can create these buttons and to each button you can assign label you can modify the size. But then you can assign an action to that. When clicked it does something, and there's a collection of building actions like system actions, like raise the volume more, meet the volume or like type type letter, for example. But there's also actions like run an apple script. And that's when things got interesting for me because I what I wanted to have was. So I was using these play on the pro. And I realized there's bunch of actions that I could do easily on a MAC with the media keys, for example of the magic keyboard. But when I'm on the app, it pro with the lunar display in this market were folio because I didn't have the, you know, the the touch type of the time. But just what you what any been? I if I had like some kind of launcher to do things more quickly just by tapping them sort of like having a floating lawn center. Pro was my idea like he's a possible to have a thing that is always on screen. The lets me tap buttons to execute actions. And I try to bunch of things like keyboard? Maestro pilots or like having like persistent launchers on the desktop, and then I remembered about the accessibility keyboard? And so I designed this shortcuts bar is my the, my nickname. It's like a row of buttons that do things like pause items or mute system. Sounds or open the Aiko dry folder in the finder. And so that was really interesting in putting this together, and sort of it opened Hebron back to using apple scraped, and you know, going crazy over delimitations, and and you know, little idiosyncrasies of apple script. But that was a that was fun to like, it was a funder inexperienced, these you can design your own keyboard panel, and you can make any action that you want using this building suggestions or just using your own. Apple skip stuff. I think it's super fascinating. And then when you start putting like to touch tool, and then you've got like moving all the windows around and stuff as a really interesting way of doing it. Yeah. That was my other problem in that. My means always connected to the altar find these play. And when you when you connect a lunar these play by default becomes the secondary display, and this is called the extended desktop mode or MacOS. The problem is the primary display on the MAC is where your all your apps in your desktop icons. They show up I by default. So when you open an app by default he goes to the primary display, and then you need to move it to the secondary display. My problem was of course. Amusing secondary these pay from another room, I'm not necessarily in front of the MAC mini. So that I have my track bed, but I want to use my class from the kitchen table and the MEK in the bedroom. So how can they move these windows back and forth between this place? And of course, once we will be just unplugged the cable of the altar find so that this becomes the primary display by default. But I don't want to in a remember to imply replied Levy, single time. So I struggled with this for a long time. Like, I came across some system of defections to let you automate which in this place, but they're required. Disabling sip Mojave system, integrity production, and really didn't wanna do that. That idea all kinds of nasty things could happen. So I don't wanna do that. So I sort of gave up on the idea of finding a way to automate displays witching, which is not possible on the MAC and realize well, maybe I just need to figure out how. Make working with the secondary display better and faster and better touch too. Is you know, is this UT that all kinds of people use for all kinds of different things, for example. John Borys, we do outsource together. Customize but attached to completely to us, you know, to access certain logic pro to call logic rotten the new version. Biologic shortcuts logic actions and one of the categories. Yeah. One of the categories of actions. The better tool has is window control. And so you you can shuffle windows back and forth between this place. You can recite them you can you can actually give them exact pixel coordinates to do win the revising. So combining all that we excessively to keyboard. The idea of. I can now just open the ipad logging to lunar display. Move on my windows from the ultra fine to the ipads this play. And now, I have a, you know, a reasonably efficient machoism virement where I have keyboard shortcuts to recite my windows, I have visual shortcuts to do things. Like opening the finder or muting system. Sounds because my mcneese always streaming audio to the home pod, or you know, hiding the lunar display window that always comes up, and it's so annoying or showing hiding the doc, you know, all these things so this combination of keyboard shortcuts umbilical shortcuts. It's it's a it's a really fascinating way to get work done because it's like you have micro s on your ipad. And it works well enough because you can use both the pencil and the keyboard four inputs. But it's still an app so you can sort of use it on demand. Just when you need it. And I don't have to sit down go necessarily to another room and sit down and switch context. I didn't just you know on need to do something on my quest for two minutes. I can just stay at the kitchen table and do it from the ipad. And there are software complete software based solutions. Right. Like an display a too, but I will say from my own experience that they both work perfectly fine. They do work. But the lunar display is a much better experience. The lag is definitely better. The image quality is definitely about a an I find this. You said this euro when using the lunatic play like sometimes it feels like the MAC is just native like I forget sometimes that I'm sitting looking an ipad like it works. Very very very well. And I found the other stuff it works. But it doesn't work as well as I would. Want? It's like it's seventy percent there. And Luna is like ninety percent there that those levels. You can tell the difference in in like image quality, and the generals moutainous and yes have tried. I have a twenty eighteen fully specked mackney while not fully spec. About reasonably pack mini with like sixteen gigs of ram, and you know, the the better CPU option. I have a mesh wifi. You know, five gigahertz network. It's really good wifi. So I I've tried those ups before, but the latency and the image quality, and the majority faxing various glitches they were like I could use those apps, but compared to the release play I preferred the nicer experience, even if it requires buying separate accessory. It was a, you know. It was a fun learning experience really to just dive back into the world of keyboard. Maestro. An apples keep them better touch tool the civility stuff, and I guess what? I try to say in the conclusion of the article was that maybe someday we'll have this kind of apple laptop that can do. It's got the app ecosystem of US, and you know, the intuitive interactions values. But also these idea that you can personalize everything and that you get access to these really technical really, powerful, apps and UT's such as Michael s maybe one day that will be you know. You know, there will be a thing that you can buy actually Iran's an apple OS. But until that happens and reckoning will be a while this mixed sort of hybrid environment. It works pretty well. Now, you can do this via vnc software. You can do these with other vote wireless display apps. Like duet, all of the stuff that Federico's talking about you don't need a lunar display to write like to to be able to use like. The better touch tool stuff accessible stuff like that. So running on the MAC, it's just like whole tool to it. I use the stuff when I'm using the MAC physical in front of my MAC mini as well. Like, yeah. I have the accessibility. Keyboard shown in front of me right now. And I have better touch to keyboard shortcuts set up for the MAC for the ultra fine display. So all of these things you can use them. You know, you don't, but it is a strong personal preference for both of us that the best experience. The most native feeling experience is the lunar display to you know. Yeah, you know, I like nice things like the best option. You know, just the the image quality that you got with Luna into, you know, something that I prefer. But. Yeah. So was fun to write about MAC stuff again for sure. Story. You wrote like a story about the MAC, what could you call that website that? That. Yeah. Sorry maximum. Now that have done this because it was like two months late. I get a I'm going back to more traditional bed stories. Fully before w w c so we'll see there's you know, there's kind of a no big deal like a like a ten year anniversary coming up next week. So after that, call Rex. We have a lot of things planned at MAC surreal be the ten year anniversary. So I usually don't like these kinds of like, self celebrations. 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Will Stitch Fix Continue to Deliver?

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18:30 min | 2 years ago

Will Stitch Fix Continue to Deliver?

"It's Tuesday March twelfth welcome to market fully. I'm Matt Greer. And joining me in studio, we have motley fool analyst Andy cross and Ron gross gentlemen. Welcome. How are we doing? Hey, guys. Hey, MAC, great. How are you? I'm good. I'm feeling good. I'm feeling better than Dick's sporting goods. Getting ready to there you go. I am right. Single is for kids. And we're also gonna talk about the internet celebrating a big birthday because let's begin with the world of high fashion. You know, we're all fashionable guys, you know. Okay. Okay. Maybe not. But let's talk personalized apparel. Let's talk stitch fix shares up more than twenty five percent of the time of our taping on stronger than expected earnings and some upbeat guidance now guys stitch fix now has almost three million active clients that's up eighteen percent year over year, and Ian, Ron what do you think? Well, it was it was a good quarter clients as you mentioned active clients grew eighteen percent revenues grew twenty five percent. We talked about this at of the YouTube live last week. And I said anything above twenty four percent. I think would be pretty well received by the by the investors in the street and clearly today, it was profits. They came in at twelve cents per share that was more than that was more than seven cents last quarter and far above estimates. And the guidance for the quarterback was pretty good. So overall pretty nice quarter for stitch fix. We have to remember last quarter. They reported growth at wasn't quite as well. Received and the stock really got hit. So this is a lot of kind of rebounding off of those lows stock has has climbed back from those lows. But this was a continuation of that the talk and the the conversation with Katrina lay who owns more than thirteen percent of the company. She's the co founder of the business allow the conversation was that the year is looking pretty good and that growth for the year is somewhere revenue growth somewhere in that twenty five twenty six percent range, which is an excel array shin off the last couple of quarters, so growth picture, really pretty healthy MAC, the cost side is what I was watching because the sales in general administration costs really exploded of during the quarter and that kept profits about flat. But really investors are really much more focused on the revenue growth. Ron now this stock is heavily shorted. Meaning that there are a lot of lot of shares that essentially were betting against the stock. So when we look at a run up like this how much of this do we? Do we think is because the business is really improving, and how much of this is people covering those short positions people who are like, wow, probably gonna bet against the stock. Well, if you see things improving n you're short and you're betting against the stock. Then you want to cover your at you wanna stop betting against the stock and a influx of buying happens. As a result of that. That's commonly known as a short squeeze. And you don't wanna be on the on the other end of that being held short the stock when the stock is skyrocketing up twenty five percent now it depends on a case by case basis. How much stocks increase is caused by short squeeze. It's almost a guess we won't know until we see how many shares are the short shorts. Sorry. The how many shares held short a decrease. But I would guess in a case like this seventy five percent. Plus of the increase in the stock is a result of short sellers covering their short. So for for reference sake, the number. Of stocks shares sold short compared to the company's float. So that's basically this shares that are available for trading was thirty percent. So that's a very high number which tells us that there are a lot of shares against a lot of investors betting against stitch fix running up to this quarter. And when the stocks are some move if they have to go out and cover those shorts. They had to buy the stock in the market that continues to put more and more pressure on the short. So more more people bidding up the stock and that continued us in the stock higher and higher. So I think I think Ron's right at the good part of today's move was because of that that short squeeze. I just look at the numbers. And I say, hey was a really nice quarter. The growth is continuing for Katrina lake and for stitch fix. There's a lot of competition there to math like Amazon wardrobe is out there. Now, they're doing a lot more advertisement, but stitch fix the algorithms their building they have more than one hundred data scientists out there. They're continued to build out their offerings in the United Kingdom, which. Adding to their cost structure. So they continue to make the investments that they need to be able to compete in a very competitive. Marketplace remember short and can be a pretty risky proposition. Right because stock and theoretically go up to Infinity, but if you're long stock can only go down to zero so you theoretically have an unlimited loss potential. If you're short a stock. And that's why you don't wanna let things get too far out of hand. And you end up seeing people come back into the market closing their shorts and buying the stock. Okay. So let's talk about the business a bit more because I confess that I'm a bit of a stitch fix skeptic. I I know it's it's kind of unfair. But I think that a little in the same vein as I think of blue apron where you're delivering stuff to me. Sometimes I'm not going to use it. I have to send it back. Not not the case with blue apron. But is is there really a big enough market here? And the other thing is you have this whole simplicity. Does it bring me joy movement and stitch fix in the business of getting you to buy more stuff? I'm I'm a skeptic as well, Andy, correct me because. I'm not an expert on the stock. But I think it's all really about proving out this algorithm. They have it's a technology. The technology could actually be used to sell anything, really probably. But I think investors once they feel comfortable with this algorithm. You could see the stock really start to move. But until that happens everything everybody's kind of wait and see I think this was Costco's stitch fix MAC would be all over it. I think generally, you're right there. It's a it's a very large market. We still by amount of third of our payroll online, what they are trying to do is get as they get more and more of these three million active customers, and these people of used stitch fix in the past year continuing to put in more and more data the data and the outlier them smarter and smarter the revenue per user, which by the way saw concede continues to see some excel ration- in these growth, which is really good. As you use stitch, fix more, more, you spend more and more with them. So yes, MAC it is a little bit of like suspend more retail does basically that's their job. They're trying to get us spend, more and more. You think Amazon's not sitting out there trying to guess spend more and more course, they are. So stitch fixes algorithms are doing that. They're having some success there contingency very healthy retention rates. And in the marketplace data is going to win this game. I think we look out five ten years, we will be spending more and more of our dollars when we have to buy clothes using more sophisticated algorithms than just getting our car and going to Costco, but Costco, steel, obviously, a great company rates, doc. Okay. So as we wrap up here one one of the ways that they arrive at that algorithm. Is they actually ask you questions as you're filling out your profile about your fashion sense? So in that vein, I'm curious. How would you characterize your fashion sense, Ron gross in a word? Andy cross I want you to be thinking about that as well. Unexciting? Okay. It's nineties with an edge. Oh, I like that. I like that nice about you. How about you MAC? I have three words I had predictable uninspired in blue. Wow. So and cart. That's that's the other problem. I think stitch fix would be more appealing to me if they would just send me like five blue shirts every month. Yes, they will you can give them ninety data points, and you sign up MAC, and and they'll they'll send you lots of blue shirts. Okay. And when we look at the stock it has been a total roller coaster went public in twenty seventeen around. Fifteen bucks got his highest fifty and then fell all the way down to seventeen today on today's pop trades in the mid thirties. So going forward over the next five years does this stock beat the market? I think it does. Here's here's my Ron had mentioned a little bit about the danger being short. I will say stitch fix his volatility. The stock is about three times as volatile as regular stock market. So you have to be able to sit through the ups and downs. But I think long term over the next five years to fix a winner. So, but maybe not a good fit for all of us. Okay. So let's move on to Dick's sporting goods. Shares down Tuesday on earnings down. Big Ron falling profits falling sales falling same store sales. That doesn't sound great. Not a great quarterback canal. I'll do a little bit of adjusting care because there was a fifty third week in fiscal twenty seventeen. So there'd be fair. We'll adjust for that. Even when you do still not a great quarter. Same store sales down two point two percent net. Sales down six point five percent one bright spot. I think we can say we commerce sales up seventeen percent now account for twenty three percent of total sales versus nineteen percent in the fourth quarter twenty seventeen so making some headway online guidance was somewhat tepid, but interestingly they did raise their dividend. Twenty two percent that that rate you get a dividend yield about three point one percent for. So for those looking for yield not too shabby. But of course, you always have to be concerned about total return because if you're getting three percent yield, but the stocks going down, it's not really something you should be too excited about. So we got to keep an eye on the business. They did buy some. Stock back over the course of the year at reasonable prices. I think so they've got to turn the ship. A bit though, not not a great quarter in Ron last year after the parkland shooting Dick's announced that they're gonna stop selling firearms to buyers under the age of twenty one and they also pulled all of their assault style rifles. And now today they came out and announced they're going to be removing guns from one hundred twenty five stores. We don't know which stores that specify that. But they said in markets where the hunting category underperforms. Yeah. They did see some weakness when they did it back after parkland, which I guess makes sense the revenue in though in some markets did go down, and I will anticipate that this will have an an additional effect causing revenue to go down, even though they're strategically closing under performing markets where that category may have not been so robust, but you'll probably see additional dips, but you know. They're making they're making a moral political and ethical. I don't know what word you wanna use principled stance and more power to them, depending on your politics. You hear either happy or you're not but plugged them for for making a decision. It's still, you know, still got a way to go. If they're going to roll out across the board because there's more than seven hundred dick sporting goods stores, and this is only one hundred twenty-five, but baby steps perhaps and looking out over the last five years shares down big they've lost the market. What do you think about the next five years on, you know, the stock looks cheap at eleven times earnings and the three point one percent dividend yield. But I just get worried here you you might make some money in the stock over the long term. I don't think it would be a market beater, though, Andy when you think of dick sporting goods is at Amazon proof now, it's not I think when you look at their inventories are growing six seven percent this past quarter and the revenues falling. That's tough signed for Rita. Taylor. So I think we saw some of the struggles they have with some of the larger brands especially in the athletic goods over the over the years, and that's just going to be a tough spot. I think I plod them for the initiatives they're making. But overall, I think Dick's will be probably be less relevant over the next five ten years today. And that's the way the ball bounces. Guys. That is genius. You didn't. Fit exaggerate go back to the fix. I'm kidding. Okay. So let's wrap up with a happy birthday to the World Wide Web thirty years ago. An English software engineer named Tim burners lease omitted, the idea at a physics lab in Switzerland. And the rest is history. Now, Ron we're talking before the show, and you're recounting your early days as an internet endless. Those are the days MAC, it was nineteen Ninety-six simpler, time outdoor just invented the internet. No, it was nineteen Ninety-six. I was an internet analyst. I wanna say for less than a year during a time where there weren't many internet's knocks out there. It was a combination of telecom equipment and the technology behind the internet and internet stocks. Remember, I followed America Online, Netscape and light coast and exciting the dog. It was it was it was a really interesting time for this new thing called the internet, and none of us knew much about it. But it was pretty exciting. Stuff. It basically brought me here. I was an analyst at investment firm in Pennsylvania in ninety five when I think Netscape and Yahoo both went public and was studying a media, and and food and beverage companies, and I was like, wow. This interesting is kind of interesting. And then I knew Tommy David were starting head of the motley fool, and we're on AOL and pushing over to the worldwide web, which was exciting in unknown area with like JAT rooms and all this self publishing adventures by consumers and just seemed like an exciting place for investors to be in. I think I I met David and Tom nine hundred ninety seven I was producing TV show in Washington DC, and they were on Halloween. And I remember David talking about this company that books online called Amazon. And I thought you know, this guy is kind of cuckoo for cocoa. I had a perfectly good books million. Just right down the street. I mean, really I like online books. I don't think that's going to work. Wanna do on circle? Yes. Yeah. Turns out on. It was on panned out pretty bad. Old. Do you have a favorite? We're talking a little before the show. Do you have a favorite early website something you're Daljit for? I mean, well mine will always be keyword fool AOL and then heading over keyword fool and full dot com. I remember us creating our first website at the first online website. Not a oh, well, this is ale was really the dominant player online. And as the the World Wide Web started to grow and just thinking about the way, we design that web late night sessions surrounded by a couple of six packs of beer, and and then just what that looked like compared today, which is a lot of fun to think back, but that those are certainly exciting days with what was happening on the investing landscape because just quick reminder reminder back, then individual festers were basically treated like the bottom of the barrel and were the motley fool was really trying to advocate for them. And so many ways this is a great chance for us to to spread. Our message. My space baby mice mice face. I wanna sit. I thought your how about how about hamster dance a hamster Vance ever. But I'd never you just all these hamsters that would just kind of dance back and forth. It was it was basically a space invaders version two point. Oh, I guess ask Jeeves was pretty cool because it was like the. Kinda siri. Yeah. And it had the it had like the Butler. So it's better than web crawler web crawlers the first surgeon, and it's like a spider with a magnifying glass, don't crawl if you're gonna don't I don't want to search engine to be called like manatee. It wants something fast. It's funny as we're talking about this. I think this was at the time when the guys Google were basically at the university of Michigan designing all their better algorithms. Really back then and named crawling there. They're in the as they are developing this and seeing what's happening in the public markets. And then all of a sudden, they're, you know, ten years later, they're going public and and now worth billions. So as we go back thirty years to the invention the birth of the internet nineteen eighty nine first episode of the Simpsons, which is still running. Okay. Wow. Top the music charts paradise city by guns and roses. What I am by April, the new bohemians, and yes, Milli vanilla girl. You know, it's true. Track with an edge baby nineties with an nineties with an edge. Okay. So as we wrap up here, it's the desert island question do not invest this way at home, but if you're on a desert island, and you've got some free time, and you've got a few stocks. You've got some investment choices, and you've got a buy and hold because you're going to be there for a while. So you've got to pick one of these for the next five years. Let's go stitch fix dick sporting goods or how about the SNP five hundred index fund. I was thinking ask Jeeves, but I'll I'll. Stitch fix. Wow. Okay. To to beat the market gross S and P five hundred all the way. Okay. Or if you have thoughts on anything, we've talked about if you have fashion tips, if you have stitched fix advice, if you have favorite old websites, or if you have an opinion on hamster dance. Let us. So great. They were hamsters, but they were dancing, Microsoft, paper clip. Oh clipping. That was never care. Segues? Okay. Market Philarete full dot com is our Email questions comments. Let us know market Hillary at flow dot com. Ron Andy, thanks for joining. Thanks as always people on the show may have interest in this talk about and the motley fool may have formal recommendations for against so don't buy or sell stocks may solely on what you hear. That's it for this edition of market fully the show is mixed by Dan Boyd. I'm macrey. Thanks for listening, and we will see tomorrow.

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Episode 123 - Tactical A**hole Volume 2 - Running and gunning with Bryan Callen

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Episode 123 - Tactical A**hole Volume 2 - Running and gunning with Bryan Callen

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But if you're unfamiliar with Brian He is I would say probably considers himself a comedian. I and maiming actor. Second and podcast. He plays coach Miller on. Abc's schooled in the Goldbergs. He has appeared in TV and films like Kingdom two broke girls right along hangover one and two sex in the city. Old School Mad. Tv Entourage California kitchen and many many more he is like. I said probably speaking for him but he'd say a comedian. I the veteran headliner. He plays theaters and comedy venues. All around the world. He had a special come out recently called complicated apes and he is additionally the CO host of the PODCAST. The fighter in the kid. He is an amazing human. Being one of my favorite people. His lack of knowledge on any topic does not stop him from talking about it in a wildly educated perspective. So that's also episode one twenty three tactical astles volume to running and gunning with Bryan callen. Coming at him. Smoke north of one west of the smoke. I'm looking at danger. Close now again and we're going on. We're here we're here. It's good to be on cleared hot. Shit my favorite fucking podcasts. Shit you had referenced your phone to remember what the name of the support. The troops guys support the truce. Surprised you remember what it was called. I told you I listened. I've listened to your podcast CEO once. Now that's not true. I've listener a couple of your episodes. Now you listen to one episode over four different occasions. That's why you're out of order and I think I called you. I said I think you're very good at this. And you see you should take it more seriously and I think you could make a lot of money with your podcast. But how do you take it more seriously? What does that even mean? I don't know dude I mean you just keep doing it. I think that's what it is. I was looking at the episode. You guys posted five hundred forty two. Yeah we don't fuck around. Well let's say you got a volume breath Longtime to make money. I didn't I hung. I've been podcasting you know. I started the Bryan. Callen show made exactly zero dollars and will did you start to make money or just started because you like the idea. I wanted to talk to people smarter than I was so I wanted to talk to authors and professors in people that were the leaders of thought in various fields right 'cause La and a lot of ways intellectual wasteland. And I I made I did four hundred four episodes of that I think of your. Oh yes something crazy like that with. It turned into mixed mental art. Because I I what I realize is my partner hunter. Maths and I realized that we will talk to these really smart people. So you talk to somebody WHO's an evolutionary biologist? Or You talk to somebody who is working on longevity. Who's a scientist? Or whatever and one of the things I noticed was that and people including people that right seminal books like the you know whether they're about the history of the world or whatever and we they all of them would say yes which was fascinating because apparently. I was an actor in Hollywood for them. That's all they hear and it's like well. Why not and what I noticed. Was that a lot of them. Were very myopic. In their point of view and their outlook in general because they had to be because to write a book to write a series of books and be sort of the leader of thought in your particular field mile deepen an inch wide. That's exactly right. It's very difficult not to be not to turn into that to an extent right so you would see this. And you'd see them who. The professors had zero idea of how commerce worked how capitalism worth how the marketplace work. They just didn't live in it. They teaching those aspects though they were not necessarily teaching those aspects would bother me was they were criticizing any actual touch points. A real world experience and advocating a tax rate of eighty percent. Because they would look at the you know ten mark in the eighties or something and I kind of realized after a while it was like you have never been outside the walls of your university. You just haven't and it's not to say that they don't serve important function or purpose but you need people with practical. It's exactly like being a guy like you who spent enough time in the field and then combat when I come in and I asked You I remember calling you saying Dude When is your weapon on full auto? Because it's like when you're laying cover and you're like never i. I know but if you're if I got to open up I never never. That's never you know I. I was talking about how you working industry where that seems to be the only setting that it has that Steve. It's for assholes and actors and but again it's it's like anything else when you have experience and practical experience so I did a podcast called mixed mental arts to be mixed martial artists. You can take a a great boxer. He's only boxed this guy this this this very very rudimentary. Jujitsu high school wrestler. How will grab a whole? You'd never done anything inside of his range. I'm I'm in the managed and that's what I love about mixed martial arts versus any orthodoxy The same thing goes mentally. So we called the podcast. Mix Mental Arts I don't know how many episodes but made zero dollars. Then then did the ten minute podcast. Which has a cult following rebooting that But back then we didn't make any money and then finally fighter in the kid but we didn't make. I don't didn't make money until you know the first three years or something so I just started episode one fighter in the kill. Yeah and just built it from there and he goes to a week to week. You've been never have never stopped. And so I say you just be consistent because I think you for whatever reason. Have this you know. Look you've already gotten you already made inroads in Hollywood without being Hollywood which is crazy unlimited access to individuals like people that I think are interesting or at a different would be the best way to describe it. They're they're in a different orbit of life. That's bullshit to me because I that's what I was saying to you is I. I don't agree with that. I think that you actually are just as intelligent as any of them. You're likable and in those terms. I'm talking about probably more than anything. Social or the world that they operate inside of but but again I have access to some of your other friends have access to that world. So it's just going to be a matter of time. Everybody wants to talk to dude like you. So it's you you you have promised you fucking guys are like a number of you sealed guys the problem with being a navy. Seal the all these all you soldiers you tend to be a little too modest Or or low key for your own good drives me nuts. It's like Hey fucking Urine Navy. Seal your seal team six. Just let me do the marketing. I'll fuck and get. I'll go and tell them who you are the problem. Is you say some wild shit. Yeah you like make up numbers. Yeah things other than say we're in the field together does ask me ask me ask me if. I asked me how I know how I know Andy. We played this last get. How do you know India? Any he's brother of mine. That's all I say. I thought I was down now again. Asked me what I what Andy did in the Military Brian. What did he do in the military this and that really nice? That's my favorite thing. Asked me ask me this is this is I mean this was respect? Anybody who's been combat but asked me What what what Andy had as potentially gay question. What did what did anyhow for his equipment. Radio weaponry and a little SATCHEL Siebert right there. You're just GonNa get aired out as a liar and somebody. Who does nothing with notice how my voice gets all kinds of? Oh Trust me. I've seen a lot of shit. I notice it. I think everybody wants to which birth the idea. The last time we sat down at your house. You're talking about how you keep your gun the safe and basically it was a comedy of errors. Your your plan is it seemed to be would be defense your firearm at night with no ability to aimed at night. I like to use the expression. Fetch with you and me. Is You go you fetch it? I I called my my boy my house by Jeeves. Please but Polish it. I I loaded for me yeah. I decided I'm going. I'm going shopping. I need a tactical shotgun. The difference between a tactical shotgun regular jazz buddy. I need a shorter muzzle for maneuvering inside the home. Okay you understand how short well as short as I can. Legally go understand go. So so. That's that's the first first thing I need a and I need seven shots. I think in in La Problem here already. Suss it out? I understand how a shock and works right. So there's sure the tube and then underneath is the magazine two so seven rounds stacked up back to back to back to back. Yeah you're looking for the shortest barrel so you're going to have a short barrel long magazine. Tube sticking out underneath it. Hey Bro look at me. Whatever it takes all right. I mean you might be better off. Turning around unloaded and beating somebody to death with this is going around that broomstick all right so let me go back to five. I need five shelf. I if I need more than that could get a Benelli m four. That actually might not be legal in Kelly. I want something short. I like the idea of having a tactical. I like the word tactical. I like being able to say that but I get you a fucking over under bird. Hunting Shotgun we call it tactical bullshit dude. I'm not doing a fucking over under a shot. Bunch of birds out of the scarf that bullshit. I got fucking loaded. Get Out of here. I need to be able to go. Couscous couscous. Couscous semi auto one. Yeah now the big question is do I use double lot or do I use bird birdshot? I saved per shooting birds. No then why would you use Percha? Well the only reason I'd use double lot I have. I have a lot of you. WanNA use a slug a slugs good that I you know. Sometimes you miss. You can miss with any three of those rounds. That's true but I think bird shots probably better because he's got a wider a wider group. They're super tiny. Have you ever cut one open? Just poured it out there incredibly tiny. Yeah but they'll do the job at home. What job you want to say. Probably NOT GONNA kill unless you like. Shoot him in the eyeball. Is that true? Birdshot full disclosure. I've never shot anybody with birdshot. Yeah I think they'd have to be really close. Where the grouping would still be tight from my understanding. It expands rapidly. Yeah but if they're if they're first of all I'm not taking a fuck and shot till I see the whites. They're fucking is stuff. I feel like you would. Ad Into the ceiling long before you saw the whites of their eyes. Well it's funny. You say that because after I take them out. I eighty in the ceiling. Do you know what eighty means accidental discharge accidentally this year. I that's my warning shot after I've put them out and I say the cops. Hey I shot in the sealink. I will keep birdshot for birds. I don't so you'd use doubleheader slugs myself personally I would use leads all right so I need. I need a couple stores. Okay how many do you want? I need to get one free. Chant like where you're going so far one free hand now. Don't shoot well with my left hand so you need one but since she said that I like it I was thinking I keep one of my belt I reached now what if I could shot in the arm and the right arm. I gotTA use my left arm so I should be training for that. We used to do that. All the time where you would have to You know I'm writing so obviously right eye dominant will not there are people who are left eye dominant but shoot right handed? It gets a little wonky sometimes But we will do drills where yeah you have to transition or unwholesome or reload which is difficult racking the slide. There's a lot of things you can do. You can rack off your boot. You can take any put the slide in between your leg. Ejecta magazine like. There's a lot of stuff that you do shit that's mansion. Fortunately I don't know anybody who has ever actually had to do that because it's extremely slow and at that point you're thinking worst case scenario and it's like hey where's the rest of my boys. Can you please handle this form? Because I'm trying to shoot pistol left handed so therefore a danger to everybody within a five square mile radius of me right because I can shoot pretty good one handed. Yeah but left-handed excited. I actually would probably my pat him look like birdshot but like as Lieutenant Grossman says you sink to level of your training. I love his books. Yeah it's people will say often you know I don't need to They think that they're going to find this other mode. I hear this often from people when they talk about their ability that they're going to have in a physical like a fight in a bar or St. They're like not. I don't need to train dude when the chips are down like I'm gonNA. I'M GONNA HIPPIES MODE. Now you're not you're not you're not you're not going to rise to the occasion you fall to the level of your trained well but if you get cracked in the face. That's what's good about boxing. In that we have to measure distance. And you actually get hit. And you don't have to keep your eyes open. All that Shit is getting it in the faces of humbling experience dude uncontrollable like you get clocked. Good you're actually like I'M NOT CRYING. You're crying you're crying and can't stop it and and I wear a bar 'cause the I'm I'm a called a bitch bar across my head gear. I wear Barscott. Can't break my nose because I can't be on set like sorry. My nose is all broken. Hashtag working actor and but like even that when you get hit properly. Oh Fuck your head your everything. Everything sucks and when somebody knows how to throw a punch. I mean you know if you get caught correctly. It's a terrible day. It's so easy to just you know. Change somebody's life but if you don't train for it then there. There is no rise to the occasion. Yeah you fall to the lowest level of the training that you're proficient always use brock listener. Whose a complete animal in a beast but when he came Alaska's if you if you watch that he was a wrestler as whole life tough a monster Brooklyn Brock. Well both came wrestling Asu. But when you if you watch that fight you'll see cain throw punches and brock. Does what any human being with do. Who's never been really hit by Kane? He put his hands in his face. You what you do instinct. Anybody I don't give a shit anytime you start boxing. The first thing you do the first year usually start getting hit and you you you you go your face goes into your hands and you you turtle and that's exactly what brock did and he just got started getting hit me when he came down like that and that was the end of that in because you lose sight of everything. That's going on right. You just hitting you get hit in the fucking is you and with a guy who can really throw. You don't have you can't think that fast your brain's getting rattled so you're like what the fuck her and you just you panic and and unless you've been doing it a long time you you really can't find your way out of that. That's a very difficult. That's a different speed different. You know it's similar to To how we train though. So you know talking about an offhand magazine reload assuming that that's not the scenario you know if your primary runs dry you go straight to your secondary if your secondary runs dry. I was she had to go through some reloading. But what you don't do. Everything is in the box in front of you you basically Wedge Your Elbow into your body and you keep everything up in front of you so you can look past the problem that you're actually trying to fix or reload so you can actually keep looking at the things that you need to see. I love this. If you dip your head down you sitting there and you know you're indexing your magazine putting in and then you lift your head up. You have to reorient yourself to shifting battlefield. And that's what sucks. Whoever has done you need to be looking if you need to. You can glance down because you don't want to do is sit there like an asshole and have a magazine bouncing around the magazine. Well which we've all done but you learn it's easier just to slow down for second glance down and put it in and then you're right back on target. Well I can't wait to drop that knowledge in the next Cocktail party I'm at where nobody's ever served any time the military or been in a perfect place for you to do it. I asked you should hear me hear me. Brennan Shop Walk in the other day I had a bunch of meetings and I was throwing punches and showing them how to check hook and he came in he went. What are you doing right now? Says No he wasn't this was in Arizona but but he tanning. I always tell Chris that he could train for ten years. You wake me up from a nap. Having been in Tacoma actually and and I'll still beat his ass never forgive him for that picture he posted it himself and Fucking Desert Storm. One flight suit as if he was some bad ass wearing some Viet Cong. Fucking chest. That was when I was trolling movie. He's doing I know I was like that's great. What's this movie stars actors and then he got twisted and came back at me. I was like he got mad at me. Who's this guy is Tom Your? He's my boy relaxed and you met him at a restaurant one time. Did I said all right? Well I don't know if he was being Dick I'm like well. I was absolutely being a Dick. I just wasn't being serious. He so sensitive. I was surprised. I'm like Oh oh paper thin on the skin a little bit. Mr Jokes can't take jokes so bad. All Right Deli I fucking number. I make fun of him for it. Why is he always jumping up on stage? When you're performing well sometimes you know the people love it so it gives the people what they want so we tend to roast each other. He did that the other day. But you know daddy can handle it. I I'm not coming to one of your shows one day and do that. We DID STAND UP TO I. Don't tell jokes though so you better. I'm just going to come and just like kick you off the stage and start telling tales just fucking just just hip push me. Just hit me in the morning shows won't tell I won't say shit this walk behind you very slowly from one side of the stage the other and go back to my seat and I'll just like this I as you walk out of the news cast on both producing estrogen right now. That's the problem. Is it actually probably wouldn't fuck you up you would just roll with it? Oh I'd be like his hair. He's got a strong jaw. Archives IS GO ON FOR DAYS. I get lost in them. They're they're black pools of onyx. Where do you? What do you come up with this? Shit right. Count comes out on the cleared hot dog. Are you ready to test a little bit of your tactical knowledge? Yeah let's get serious here because I'll be honest. I get hit up at least once or twice a week with people telling me that you and I need to start a podcast. All we need to do is either watch movies or drink wine and review both if you lived in fucking. Ls fucking lived in La. I'm seriously yeah well. My favorite thing is is that regardless. If you know what you're talking about or not you completely own it and you just go through the door headfirst which is about ninety nine percent of what you actually. It's very important. It's like when I'm in the field and I'm loading. I always loaded with my elbow here and I load the gun in the box. I call it a box. Magazine has just what you need to be paying attention to it. You can make this nice. It's what I always say. The Tony Bauer. Spear fingers can be extended. I love Tony. He's my boy. I saw him at shot. Show This last year. He's in my stand up now because because he his dog died. I talk about how a man can't I have this whole thing on how men cry unless it's very specific circumstances like if you won the championship if you lost the championship and I'm like if your dog is too but Tony's dog I was there when his dog died and his wife Jess she got all she's emotional? She's a woman she's with it. I said you. If you're a man of your dog dies and you cry in front of me. I'm never going to judge you and I do this joke. You can't cry if your cat dies. I mean you can but I'm never going into business with you. 'cause you're fucking unstable and you should own a cat anyway correct but the dog with the dog. Tony goes like this he goes. I'm giving away like my buddy goes. But he goes. His wife goes. Zeus heart stopped. She started to cry. And Tony I was there and instead of cry he wanted quite he went up and he just made his neck fuck. He's look up in the sky and held it there and I was like hold. Strong brother holds strong. He loves his dogs though. Oh Yeah Yeah I think I record the fourth episode of this podcast at his house and they were just really running amok yeah. I've known forever since I was working for cross that he was doing really defensive stuff with like years ago. Early two thousands. Wow John he gets around that kid. He's slut yeah alright so not a slept by the way loves his wife. Just don't fuck in Spain and sold out. Jesus Christ he's inseparable with his wife by the way we'd one of those guys he's one of those dudes we're marriage works like I was like how Well I think the secret to that might be just gotTa make sure you find the right person. That's exactly right thing. It helps a little bit with that. Let's get the fuck off that topic. Let's go yeah. You had enough conversations. Yeah so we did our Episode at Your House and every week can you ask Brian more tactical questions and I started. I have an instagram page. That I have completely dedicated to making fun of people doing like the post a picture the day the guy had a loaf of bread in his pistol holster. I mean these are the things that I find on the internet fantastic. Oh yeah they actually the last one. I put up apparently deviated from the instagram guidance. Because the guy was looking down the rifle and blew his head off. I guess you can't post. That had not allowed to do that. I laughed hard deep belly. Laugh for at least thirty minutes. I couldn't stop sometimes dark humor in life. Not even the Tannock Andy comes out all right but like I said people reach out in. La Foreign. They thought half the people thought you were like very tactically savvy. The other half though the real guys didn't operators like Oh my God. I hope he doesn't actually have a glock at his house. That's the guy says to do better all right. Well let's go see but this I get four things for you to view. God No fucking. We're going to we can stop. I'M GONNA play it out and for the people who are watching. I'll put it up on the screen and they can. We can judge. We'll play it through. And I'm GonNa let you debrief to me what you hear. See How he taught me how much you feel if you want them not. GonNa put you. I'm not GonNa put you in a box. Let's go you ready for me. Have you seen the movie SICARIO? I have seen that movie a while. Back okay this is the second SICARIO. I have not seen that opening scene. Favorite activities freefall. Let's begin now. You gotta come in at night you gotta come in you. Don't pull your shoot until you're very low now. This is where it gets scary. I can't have any noise. I pull my shoe when I'm below radar. That's the first thing okay. Now I'm communicating with my guys right now. I've got night vision. I've got probably I'm looking at myself right now. I've got at least body weight plus fifty pounds. Oh Yeah I'm in the Gulf of Somalia. There's no water now. We're water operations. We got a problem that look at though. We're about to get it on. Okay now down. Probably belly crawled a little while heart's racing controlling my breathing do my combat breathing right now. I've got a sound suppressor. Did you just call it? Sounds Presser. We'll get back to that. Call that sound suppressor. Now that's the century. There you go. That's what you do right there. You take him out now. That's a hard shot. I got a problem with that. Probably GonNA shoot him in the I I gotTA take his head out. But that's different than again. Might make more noise K. I wish they played music. Like this for Real I was GONNA say now. These are grouped tight together. I'm not sure if that's a good idea. But maybe it is unless they're going to breach door right now. I don't think breaching door makes sense. There's no prisoners here other taken any prisoners. Oh Jesus Christ Wa. That's very very final. Gay couple of things. We don't even need to go past that because that's enough. I mean it's almost over two. Yeah so you were you. Tell me what you saw there. You like that well. Here's the thing. Here's the thing obviously were there for a high value target or were there to get rid of some very bad guys so it's a shoot to kill mission. Now here's the thing I didn't I gotTa have a second. Have somebody trailing me when I take somebody out they might. They might shoot me in the back so I gotTa have somebody second. I gotTa have somebody kind of need a number to me. I need a number two. Yeah I didn't see too much of that. They're all right but I liked. I like it was going on. I think they were using them. Force probably a our platform could have been a four sixteen. Could have been a four sixteen that at your cocktail party. Two four six eight four sixteen is just sure. I like them when they have the GEL caps. What title five hundred okay? So I what I saw was that now. I don't know how you if it looks like they're capturing this guy. Yeah for sure my problem is. I don't know if you can see that that quickly sir in the dark you killing these guys. How do you know that's the guy you gotTa keep? You really. Don't write this whole thing. Is that is a dumpster fire from soup-to-nuts go backwards right okay? So he knows all these guys are shooting. Yeah Gino's any Ireland's are coming off their weapon giving them the ability to actually aim lasers. Well that's how you aim under night vision goggles. You have an IRA laser or you can look through a red dot. But these guys heads were above the optic level on their guns. Yeah so they were just blasting lie. Only thing about that is that don't lasers can't you see lasers? Did you hear me say our? That's infrared. Let's the spectrum that your eye doesn't work and because night vision exists outside of the military. We have what's called Ir Light Discipline? Meaning you don't just turn the shit on. Wave it around their internal into buildings. You don't necessarily highlight discipline. Yeah I fucking low these terms and they had the night vision goggles down which is appropriate. But they're also wearing the dust covers which is like that's a fucking no. You gotTa have a guy like you onset. Well I don't even they weren't even on because you get a greenwash against your face because what you're actually. You're not looking through the tube. You're looking at a screen in the tube. You can't actually see through the actual night vision. Goggle to it's a sensor that displays that on a small piece of glass of you and glass so you're actually watching a video of what's in front. It's real time it's your but your it's not if you turn the lights on. It's not opaque. You cannot see through like you could scope you. GotTa train with that. Arise gotta be weird. We train all the time. That's why the kill House that we had had the ability. Whatever time of day was we could kill the lights and go to total darkness? But you don't wear the dust covers because your field of view as already reduced drastically on night vision goggles so people who are actually using them you're going to see him always Shifting their head left and right up and down because you have such a narrow field of you put. The dust covers on shifts yet. Your periphery sucks and night. Did you notice when they put their night vision goggles on no right at the door before they went in? Do you notice how fucking dark it was outside too dark. And when they put it down it goes. Booed makes a spool of noise. No it doesn't do that. No doesn't do that. So you would have been on the entire time because it's nighttime and the stacking of the door was fine Moving up to instructors is a lot like an accordion. You can get stretched out and then you'll have places where you wait and you collect your team and that had accordions out so that would be the initial entry point. You're going to have people there you'd go in and then it would go out. The internal clearance was dog shit. But I mean yeah. We'll leave that as the thing The door lock the door if I were them. Probably maximum nowhere but here. Here's here's the other thing with all that Is there is the see I can see? Most Americans saying those guys were sleeping and you killed them. Anyway I think we get down to the nitty gritty. You and I've talked about this before. I don't know if they were under the rules of engagement. Is Dad allowed the gray area so I'm not a Jag and his are always what our Roi engagement and you're GONNA have rules of engagement. Then you have theater specific guidance and you have the Geneva Convention and all the other conventions that United States is sign on the line for so are always Roseman gauge. -Ment there at least pinned. You always have the inherent right to self defense. Which doesn't apply in a situation where somebody is sleeping on top of that or it may not because there are some ways. I think where you could justify. Inherit right to Self-defense. Say somebody sleeping with the suicide dust on which happens. Yeah so is sleeping with the chest rack full of AK47 mags and their weapon is on their body as if they were to wake up. They're able to use it. And you know that's where you start getting into the area of need to be able to articulate. Hostile actor hostile intent the combination of both or at least one of those. I don't think in this video. They were actually sleeping. Well here's here's how I look at it as civilian Yep. I'm nervous as fuck going in there. I don't give a shit. How much training you have is a man. Of course you're always nervous your your life and death here so and and I'm a good moral guy and all that if I have a job to do if I if I've made it through buds in which is a huge if and most people can't but let's just say I'm I'm a seal team six guy or Delta. Whatever the fuck it is. I'm not I I knowing me. I'M GONNA shoot that guy who sleeping not because I think it's the right thing so I don't. I can't take a chance because if I wake him up. I'm going to have a struggle and I'm GONNA be in a firefight if he's sleeping with a gun. I gotta I gotTa believe that the minute he wakes up. He's he's pulling that trigger sees me so there's a reason why he's sleeping with a gun as well. That's right but it's easier to say that you would do that than actually do that. I'm not saying I'm saying theoretically what I'm saying is I. I understand somebody who would say I'm fucking too afraid to let that guy wake up because I know I'm going to be. I know the minute here wakes up there. It's you my shoot somebody but first of all when you shoot somebody in the movies bump up and the Guy Falls and dies I am sure in combat you can shoot somebody three times without fucking 'em for and for whatever reason because of adrenaline because it didn't hit the right. Oregon's whether that guy can squeeze off three rounds of you it depends on where you hit them. It does but I'm saying there are times when you don't hit him for a thousand reasons in vital areas and he might come and who knows maybe on crazy amounts of drugs whatever it might be. So they don't even have to be on that that you five six NATO five six round is actually if you look at the size of the projectile. It's not that much bigger than a twenty. No I mean it is bigger but it's not that much kick right well. Yeah that's a portion of it. Plays going so fast that it it will zip it it punches holes through and if you hit vital organs or bounce off of bones in that it can interact those vital organs but if you can still move you can still get have a very much sort you very much so the only way to get around that is to put the lights out. Essentially I talked to compensate shouted dude. He was on drugs. We said he shot the guy in the face. The guy kept come so we'll get shot in the face as interesting as well because the school is thick enough that it can deflect a lot unless it's truly square on. I've seen it. Go breaks graze off of foreheads? Side of the head from the front. If you can get you basically you have the triangle from just above the top that your mandible to just above the Danton. Your forty and makes a triangle. The nothing's going to deflect a graze off of that. Well that's the point is that you are not you are when you're in those situations and everything is moving at vision everything you don't know what the fuck you're hitting like. It's very possible you could miss or it's very possible. That person gets off a couple rounds church so in in knowing that. I'm not taking that chance when I see a dude with a vest and a gun and sleeping well that meets hostile intent. So you're covered there. Somebody just sleeping though now. That's an issue. It's an issue and there's a moral burden with that decision whether or not you. It rises to the level of weasel force. Yeah so yeah the clearance I mean again the Clarence I'm going to give that a C. minus to a d moving around outside without your night vision goggles. That gets an F. The sound of the bullets hitting that guy is just completely laughable. Hold on why because all up in one of the other videos as well a suppressor. Not a sound silencer. Whatever you called. It's louder than now. It's super loud. And you know what even louder oppressor is the bullet breaking the speed of sound. Oh Fuck Yeah I never thought of that God Damn it God damnit now. There is subsonic ammunition. Yeah which I use of course you do. I'm sure cash a couple reasons. You gotTa Find. Glad. I want to break the sound barrier to stay in the body. Sure I'm sure you've cachet of that stuff everywhere. Three hundred blackout is an interesting around. Have you ever heard of that round? Now it It it basically has the ballistic characteristics of seven. Like what's the non native sixty by thirty nine? I get all jumbled up with the numbers but it's similar to an AK round but you can get some awesome subsonic ammunition for it and it. Sounds like a paintball gun going off. Now that's a different story really but this is not breaking the sound barrier and because the sound suppressor suppressor is. Just it's a two-bit has baffles. That absorbs the gas project. Bacchus sound suppressor. Work Bro. Do you know how to what is called. No you don't shut the fuck out without a silencer. It's not a silencer it all and it's still allowed. Especially if you're using supersonic ammunition so that whole like it just doesn't work and I thought only heard the slide. No that's liking. That's an offline conversation conversation about an MP seven which we will not discuss particular. Podcasts All right so so it breaks sound. So it's loud. It's very loud. You hear it from in at nighttime I hear it and if you know what? The sound of a bullet makes flying through the air. It is denial. What it is and you will react to it. Because you'll know that it's gunfire in a few seconds. What are you? What does it sound like? It's snaps especially when bullets are going past in their farther away. It's still make that snap. 'cause you're hearing it break the sound barrier that goes past you as it gets closer. It's like snaps. It gets much much louder. Jesus kind of caliber will change the snap. Fifty Cal Rhone going over your head is like Holy Shit. What is that in a sense to fifty caliber? Sounds like what it's it's just loud. Yeah it's it's booking. It's a bigger projectile so I was in Lebanon as a kid in one thousand nine hundred eighty one eighty two and they. They shot a missile. We are at the beach. They shot a missile or something over our heads. It was APP test. Young people think. I'm kidding when I say this we are on the beach. I was a young boy. I was probably a God. I was I wasn't even that young. I was Tw- thirty probably fourteen or something. Just like the late forties early fifties. It was before we had talkies. And and I. I remember people fell down. The sound was so loud that people lost their equilibrium is the weirdest feeling kind of went. What they was so loud that you heard the Assuming shooting missile to the Hopi. The word that I'm looking for here. Whatever mechanism is making the jet engine? That's what it was. It wasn't the sound barrier. I couldn't believe how loud it was. It was that's exactly what it was. I it sounded like an airplane but I didn't see an airplane and I said we're the fuck it makes. It was four jet engines. Oh it's got it was crazy. It was crazy loud. And then the last thing on this right you know you love that freefall senior. You're talking about how they were falling directly over the top of where they were going understand that that means that you have to fly the airplane directly over the top of where you'd be going. That's why you don't actually use That would be a halo high altitude low opening. You Fly way way you jump out you pull your parachute right away. Navigate under canopy. You navigate so see I would do it differently I like to. I like to be dropped out of the plane and I like to fly. I fly with your body with my body and miles. No I've heard I can cover twelve miles. Who did you hear that from I? My people check your source wing suit. Maybe coming suit no you weren't you. WanNa think I gotTa have my rucksack because I need more water and shit. Yeah and so no. You're going to basically fall straight down. You're probably going to get on an actual freefall insertion for two seconds of Free Fall. That's it that's it and the rest of the time is going to be spent navigating from Ab. In your parachute still your. It's quiet. You can get places where you know other sailing basically Bach. I didn't know that. How do you know you have you have coordinates talk? Am GPS six three of those things on you. And so you're watching where you're supposed to go and you you're pulling and It's a coordinated and synchronized effort. How how long does it take? Depends on how they jump. How cold is out? There depends on how high you jump two degrees per thousand as you rise Nelson. Well that's fucking cold can be. Yeah Yeah joke all right next. So good active valor. This you ready for this shit. Octa values are active duty Navy seals. Portraying these funny remember this bad tactics acting not good terrible acting. You love the scene. There's not a good place to pop your head up in the middle of the waters in the middle of the Goddamn river you can do it under the foliage on the side. Yeah that's a bad place in the daytime for the act yet. Yeah that guy would never see that. But I picture YOU SCUBA. They probably Was that mean lower five re breather hand thrown drone does exists as a real hand thrown drown yet. This is you buy this. This is how I imagine it would be me. I got your back coming up. Good shot right. There see that catches him before he goes into the water. No splash all. That's nuts. Yes dog I mean that we just talked about this when we were talking about the last clip. What's the big thing here that doing all this stuff to be sneaky? Was the big thing they don't address. That would give them all the way. Big Thing Yeah. This sound correct. Yeah so they go there to try to get this dude to have his hands up to shoot a guy in the face that he falls in the exact direction to be all sneaky. Because you don't want to hear the sound of the body sound suppressor on doesn't matter amunition in the speed with which it's traveling dammit. So what you would hear crack is that was going through. Who Cares if the guy falling in the water? The sound of the bullet cracking through would be substantial than the people like me. We don't know about the bullet and I think it's awesome that we're going to try to swim over to some pure alarm five to answer your question. Re Breather has no bubbles. There's open circuit diving where bubbles escape closed-circuit died. And where you re breathe your oxygen a small oxygen tank in a chemical scrubber and it's closed loop it exhale there's a stopper on one side so it forces the exploration through the scrubber if you inhale hard enough it'll give you a little bit more pure o two in the comes through this recycling. I also think that the guy is on the end of the pier with a machine gun. That's also a little weird and dumb or one appeal and appeal with machine-gun. I don't know I mean like what do you think Cardi yet? No the definition of a machine. That's my kitchen. That's not let me see. Let me see. Let me see dude first of all. What's he using? What kind of hard to say when I when I take my centuries that I use a win Mac three hundred. It's an AK. Yeah I don't know that's an MP five that's an MP five. Yeah that's for shooting. Rodents inlaws that you don't like why. Why is that fucking nine millimeter round? Oh God at stuntman. Thirty Round magazine of pistol caliber ammunition that is not a machine gun by every single metric. Definition I I do like that. They're catching so he doesn't splash. That's the Kinda Shit I love. You love that right. But let's not forget the supersonic crack of the round. That would give all of that away which would be louder than the individual hitting the water. Yeah could it be mistaken for a tree branch branch breaking no all right another find cinematic movie? American sniper saw this. Yeah well I don't know what's Oh there we go. You let this play up. Yeah that's my boy right there. Bradley coming from this already. There are a few problems with you. The radio said you know they are always know. That's what it says. Yep So in other words you can kill this kid. They're putting the UP. They're putting the decision on him. Saying you know the rules. You have to make the call. It's tough not really no. He had to do it he had to do it. I forgot about this part. I would take her out to have to deal with pain. That would violate the are always. Yeah what was a grenade? Yes would've gotten well am. I don't like his envelope. Sorry sorry for you guys who don't know I don't like the opening i. I need him further back. I got that Shitty fucking Shitty Cover. You can see him. Actually he was doing okay all right. He was using some distance so they had. It's a basically a hole. In the wall nells stay farther back. Yeah it's okay. I mean as long as you don't have the barrel hanging out the side of the window or structure. Yeah you're doing at least a marginal job all right. There's that the kid is there any way he could have shot in? That woulda shot there. Grenade out of his hand but that's impossible. He had to kill the kid. I mean that that might or he. I think that's the point of this. Cinematic scene is to try to burden the audience with making that decision. Try to the running a grenade toward troops trip to kill them. It's not the kids fault. He's been indoctrinated he's been told he takes the kit out. The woman has the wherewithal to watch. I would imagine her son or this kid get killed and she seems to suck it up. Come running over and grabbed the grenade and now she's going forward the operation all right. I mean you know human beings do crazy things He waited a too long hard to say again. There's a moral burden associated with that one a lot of moral. They're very very tough. Very tough thing for a man to kill a woman and a child like that and I guess she got the throw off. Yes she did. I don't know what the kill radius that looks like an old school. Grenade probably kill hundred feet. Now Kill Maybe. Three meters injured ten meters. That's hit grenades are wildly less affected than most people hitting me. So if a grenade all the metrics are designed whether like if this one glass was a grenade if you put it directly on standing vertical pull the pin and runaway. That's how all of the blast radius are calculated but if it falls on its side you took off. You know what I mean. Half of that is going into the ground. Wow straight up and goes directional but a lot of it is going to be down into the ground. Damn Yeah but overall that scene look legit of his dramatic. And that's my issue with this scene. Is that some version of this occurs in almost every war movie the moral burden moral dilemma. What do I do scary music? Try to make it ambiguous so they have to make a decision. Well my my biggest my other problem with this she would have given him. The grenade inside not outsides. True and then also. Did you notice that the end when she threw the grenade the soldiers were hitting the ground. Yes so obviously? The grenade was very close they. The soldiers would have been able to see every single part of this exotic. It is so there's no reason to tell the story from the snipers. That's that's that's the part that gets me because those soldiers on the ground were actually probably the closest run seven steps correct head throw the fucking grenade so those soldiers shoulders soldiers would've shot had shot the kid they would have had incredible situational awareness. They would've understand both what the boy was doing and with the woman was was doing. Yeah there's no I mean there's just no calling over the radio trying to describe what you see and asking for permission to pull the trigger that burden falls on the person who was behind the rifle. Yeah and on your understanding of the armies and your experience and you're probably GonNa have some leadership with you and if you have a question you can talk to that person but not something. It's not a conversation. Yeah the other thing is the other bullshit. Is that for me in those situations when I if I'm in the field NAMA sniper. That's why bring a fucking tranquilizer gun and I should a dart in the kids ass. Put Him to sleep should I should`ve. I should've precaution artist. It's like a blow one. If I'm close enough I always use a blow. I Blow Up Blow Gun Upload Argon but but when I'm far away I use what you use for a Labrador kit or younger and So I shoot that into his fucking ass and then I. I use a lower dose for the kid. I don't want to have any complications. Oh so you just have. You're basically rolling out like a dental kit or like a like a leather Satchel and you go boy cable and kidding yeah lab kid running time for all that kid running munitions Ma Bro. Mom Dad guys over to fifty. I got a whole thing Yar Leopard Cheetah Wolf and then Renault Ceres. I have a whole big syringe. Those are big so the bottom line is and then dolphin if I want to kill a dolphin or porpoise if Oughta port whose was the life aquatic with Steve. Zoo highly underrated movie. It's not a purpose so stupid. Yeah this is the. It's people have a fascination and curiosity about warfare and honestly it's not that dramatic so when I look at this like it's you get to a point especially if you've been overseas for a while I think the first thirty in the last thirty or the Times where you might give it a little bit more because I thirty. You WanNa get the feel of what's going on. You want to get back and be more comfortable the last thirty like I just WANNA get the fuck. Outta here but in the middle you have an I mean the if you're in these areas and you watch you understand and you see what the natural patterns of life where you can see how people move normal behavior normal posture and that stuff hostile intent was met and you know what I mean? It's not I had a guy say he came from a really tough neighborhood in New York really tough and he said well you always knew and violence is about to happen. I read it on the air would change. I what he meant that human beings pick up on cues without even realizing it you just pick up on cues like when Patty Jenkins wrote and directed the movie monster. They WANNA shoot in Toronto and she said I can't do that. We have to shoot in southern Florida. Because that's where it took place. They say the audience one known she goes. The light in southern Florida is very different than the light in in Vancouver and no but they will know even though they don't know they know and and she was adamant about it. And I remember thinking It's a little crazy. She's right so human beings have these this antenna for that when when something is about to go sometimes it happens out of nowhere but if something I would imagine if you're in I don't know but I would imagine if you're on a war zone. You probably develop highly paranoid instincts. So you're wouldn't describe it as paranoid. I think you get used to a lot of pattern recognition Hatta. I was about Saint Patrick and you get used to patterns of how people behave in an environment where the military is there an operating. And when you see somebody behaving outside of the norm you get used to seeing people walk and then you'll see somebody walk using cover and concealment and their crouch down a little bit more in the media catches your attention. The normal stuff just kind of goes past you but you see a deviation from that deviation from the pound while it draws your attention hiding something yeah and they're usually you know They're not super great. Hide seek you know. So they'll be looking at something else and they'll be using cover and concealment to they'll know where one position is but the will not notice at ninety degrees off their access is another one. It's like hey surprise cock bags can't say cock back has respect team. America World Police back. He's not seen that movie. No I with the Marian that does it surprise cuck bag. It's one of the best lines ever. Cock is great that yeah. That's that's my issue. I'm failing so far by the way I haven't picked up on any single thing not a single thing but you like the drama. That seem because you're a drama Queen Drama Queen and I get into that shit this next one comes from the holy grail movie known as Navy Seals. Oh I never saw this. This was the hostage rescue. Never saw this shit is about to get real. That's just executed a hostage. Fuck man this is an ad I worry about. I'M NOT GONNA SKIP THAT. Shit you can't you can't skip ad. Boom is getting kicked that Charlie. Sheen getting kicked. No wait for Charlie. Sheen this is Israel's cats wait. It gets better. Well that's the greatest. That's the greatest seen in motion picture. History now might be the greatest motion history first of all. I watched this movie as a young man. I thought this was a Goddamn documentary. I bet you I bet you fucking dead. It's like well couple problems right couple issues number one. They're on full auto and actor but she noticed tight group wax you know. What though they are shooting five. Sd So suppressed. So it's a pistol round. You could actually put this gun on full auto on hold. What's a nine millimeter round? So imagine with your pistol and doesn't have a lot of kicks. Your barrels can brace it against your body to okay so you shoot your pistol. You have both hands out and you have the shock absorber of your shoulders. A rifle is going to be better because you can lodge it into your show questions for. Why are they covering their faces? Because it's the bollock lava that's what you do on a high risk high risk. Mitch you do no not at once. Campbell. Pain on my face never zero times. I word on my face and training leading eleven every fucking time and it takes so it's probably like your guardian hair makeup. It takes forever to get them. I'm wearing camouflage on. My face is when chicks are around and I can walk by them. Bristling with exotic weapon. Here's how embarrassed okay. This is it. This is how embarrassing and ridiculous. It was like we would go to this desert training facility and we would do these nighttime patrols while we were facing cardboard silhouette targets odds of engaging an enemy zero author. And before we'd go out they're like Yo. We're leaving in five minutes. Get your camera ready. And we'll all just go in front of the mirror you'd see guys just like three different colors and just across that it's so. I had intricate facial. Have pictures all show you there so bad and you were because you were young dominy who just wanted to be. I thought I'm going to standing in front of a fucking cool open bay bathroom. Were dudes are taking a piss behind us your coloring your face warpaint. Bro. It is and then you know what though you go walk around the desert and that should sweats into your eyes. It's nighttime anyway. Zero Times. Four Ball Club zero zero. They'd be good if you're like doing torching to get this. Keep the sparks off. That's good for that or if you're if the press is around and you don't want them to see your face because you're working for the CIA sure but also a touch of attention just a little your little fucking thing when you're walking around like that don't look at me. You notice how those guys would flying backwards when those bullets about say. Let me finish now now. Now first of all we're dealing with these small rounds you're not gonna fly backwards because what they did. Is they jumped backwards? You have to take a full five shots in the chest. I don't believe that's going to happen. You may fall forward. I don't think you're going to fall backwards. You crumple straight down okay. You're straight down all right. You've crops straight down But yeah that was. That was ridiculous but the best part of this and the most realistic was when the dude came through the ceiling. Somehow the ceiling broke by the way they didn't they didn't he jumped on that bitch. That what he did assume. Because you know flimsy those like a steal greatest with with glass glass. Glass wasn't safety glass. Oh that wasn't fucking say class dude. Those are shards of glass so I guess he came through that fucking. It was made of like bamboo or something and I guess. His weight crashed it through because and by the way he was a little too late. These guys come in and start Cleaning House and this fucking yogurt comes down on a cable. That was an rope. It was a row. He was doing an I believe they call it. Hell no because if you notice with his left. Easily SHOOTING. One handed to full auto. Yeah but he was also vertical. I was really weird. Like yeah you can repel facing up towards the roper. You can do an Australian repel where it comes from the back okay. But with his offhand. He was controlling his belay. So he's slowing his descent will going full auto and just nailing take ribbing fantastic. And if you watch that in slow motion all the Squibb's go off before his gun goes off like two seconds through this movie even better well. It's clearly one of the greatest movies of all time and I need to go home and watch us and memorize it. It's amazing they get into a robust streetfight after this running. Gun fight with these M. P. every one of them is on full auto and they don't have any to stop to reload ever or are they just they do actually do some reloading reloaded properly. The proper sequence for five years there. Where is their gear though there? They don't seem to wearing on their waste in there not really worrying any They don't seem to be wearing any supplies and they don't seem to be wearing any uniforms. They're just now they're kind of wearing. Flights lutes flew a flag similar to Delhi was wearing in that movie. Right all right. I refuse to say his name correctly by the way if he if he was a horse he would be thoroughbred of comments. That's what he is. I hope you hear this one day. Chris. I'LL FORDHAM. Just wash afford it to you. So you can afford it to Chris you would. You would love him. Actually actually I actually really do like the guy but the best let once I got that initial response. I cannot stop. Oh well if you were here. I would torture him. You and I both torture him. I would torture. Were shooting stances known to man? Well now that's interesting so what? I'm what I'm doing in my shooting. I'm leaning forward on leaning forward mad at their shooting stance once. Because you don't know anything well well it. It looks like they're holding them up at. I like they're here right. Yes I'm talking about their leg position. These guys are so. They're so bladed that you could cupcake with that status and just to be scored up a little bit sweared up a little bit. Yeah well it's embarrassing movie. And at least Charlie Sheen was the navy seal only accurate seen in this movie. Truly the only accuracy in is the opening scene where he's blackout drunk. In the ocean any wakes up to waves crashing overs face face down in the surf. That's about as accurate as it gets other than that. This movie sucks do you remember when Demi to me. More became a navy seal. I get asked about that one quite a bit too when Morrison's like he's a big boy. Control your breathing and she has. He's quoting poetry. While walking through the Surf Zone. Yeah but then she has to kill A. She has to kill a century with a knife. That's happened maybe never probably less than number. I mean 'cause you can kill them at a distance. So why would you sneak up on or you could go round him? You know where he can wait for the century to go to you. Know it's you guys. You guys make one big mistake and I and I mean this like you. Send A fucking. That was very good and I failed is early but I learned a little something as it went on. Now here's where you guys fuck up and I and I I'm saying fucking operator out there and this is delta. This is seal team six. There are other groups. I'm sure out there that I don't know about but you fucking guys. Obviously we have a problem. One is a sound suppressors. Too loud too is. If you must use you suck around a black oh it's a suppressor three hundred blackout three hundred blackout. Unless using three hundred background. Let's using subsonic rounds and even then you got a problem because that the sound suppressor is a little presser is just enough and I mean this and it bothers me and I can't believe the fucking I hope the brass's listening and I hope you guys listening if I'm going in and I'm with your team and I gotTa Take P and I'm going to have to take some centuries out I got. I like working in fucking stealth. Where the fuck are the crossbows Vases problem that you've identified as a lot of those. I'm packing I'm packing and I can carry these without any problem. I'm not a big guy on dense but I'm packing. I can pack. Probably a hundred arrows right. There called Bolts Crossbow. Yeah I call him Eros Dude. Do you not Akaka Crossbow. I've done it before a machine fucking in the ass really quick isn't it? It's it takes a little while but it's quiet shit so to to it's going through you. It's gone through you know what the fuck happened. You just look down the hall. And you just expire are. I think that's how it's GonNa Happen. Oh yeah they wouldn't scream out in agony catching you right in your heart dude. It's going through you go. What and you you lose hydraulics immediately and I say hydraulics. Make any noises of that. That if I get right to your chest fuck out of here. You're so surprised you're like the most use crossbows that's all use this or it's Brian Cowan from fucking school and all those teams they go out. They English that's interesting. Where are you operating California with a bunch of actors? His now we're talking about when I kill all the puck and liberal. No yes so crossbows fucking crossbows are very important. And I don't know why you guys don't use crossbows I don't know why you don't use poison darts with a blow gun. Perhaps because they don't work you cyanide tipped fucking Eros. How long does it take to die from cyanide? Probably not that long. I'm thinking it takes one to two weeks. There's a lot of food to carry them to watch that. Dude I start off with fever and then he gets a rash. And you're just. I thought I was immediately. No Shit about I guess. It's hard to aside. I tipped bullet or DART. I guess starts don't work off. Throwing stars are probably out. Yeah yeah throwing stuff on like six years old yeah. Throwing stars don't work noon. Chuck's noon Chuck Lose. Don't work a lot of the Shit. Doesn't work dude throwing knives. No that's not gonNA work. Either I do think crossbows would be effective tactic. I'm not gonNA argue against it. I could see a point in time for that but none of the other stuff you listed. I mean if you should have a dude you should have crossbar guy with you. He's he's the do two takes out the century you need. You need total silence sometimes and the minute you fucking shoot somebody with your m-4 even if it's got a sound suppressor. They are at subsonic. They're going to hear it something. Yeah so a crossbow. I don't know what the range on cross pope. But it's like it could be fifty sixty yards. You don't think a dead body with like an sticking out of them would be a giveaway like laying in the street because it's so cute how you don't know anything about fucking bolt ballistics. Oh It'd be it'd be a just a through and through is what you're saying that's right dude poltical right three wrong really okay. You're just like what happened. And then you expire all right okay. So that's my advice to the military and to all EU operators out there. Somebody should have a fucking crossbow. And if you need me I'm busy as fuck but we'll figure it out. I gotta get on the sauce. I thought you were going to get on the sauce last time you're talking to jail. You said you were going to do the whole nine yards the day. My Dick doesn't get hard the day. I can't cut a diamond with my piece. I mean Tom. I'm fucking doing just fine at fifty. Three all right. That's our bread that's it. That's our our right. Well this this really. I hope it'll be many more hours. Don't worry that took me three minutes to source those clips. Yep well the Bummer. Is I. I failed if you're gonNA fill you don't know anything about that but I think jobs in America because I made us more safe because I have now. I think presented an undeniable argument for Crossbow. Crossbow give enhanced the lethality of Americans men women infantry. Yeah Yeah so there it is. Thanks guys that's it. Everybody for this week. Thank you everybody who has been supporting the podcast by go into cleared up. Podcast DOT COM hit on the shop TAB and flying the flag all over the world and by that. I don't actually mean I have flags for sale. I mean wearing apparel that says cleared hot on it and hopefully people are asking you. What the Hell does that mean? Then you can explain to them and then they come and they find the podcast like. Oh that's awesome and then it wasn't the podcast and tell other people about it or maybe listened to the way. This thing sucks. I hit Andy. I don't know I don't have control over what happens after that. And if you want to dive in a little bit deeper been doing weekly. Qna's I just started with only two. But I'm GonNa continue doing them on Fridays. Assuming I don't travel on Fridays in which case Oh scheduling coordinate them around that. But if you're interested in a little deeper and having an interactive exchange once a week for an hour go to cleared hot. Podcast DOT COM. Click on the weekly. Qna TAB SUNUP if you're interested and that is it.

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SOB #449 Scary Stories of Cryptoween Live Special

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"Hey Folks Adam Levine here on today's episode of speaking of Bitcoin you'll hear our live two hour Halloween special, which we recorded yesterday in costume on Andrea says, Youtube Channel. If you'd like to watch the video version, you'll find the direct link in the show notes and this episode just a heads up is uncensored and uncut. So here few not safe for work words at particularly heated moments you've been warned. We everyone had a safe and happy Halloween without further ado I'll hand the Mike off to injurious or Darkwa as he prefers to be called at this time of year. Tags. Have Been Asleep for twelve years I last Phila- sleep on October thirty first two, thousand and eight. Jeeves. How am I investment is going did anything interesting happen. Bitcoin. Moose. Hey everyone. Welcome to this Saturday special livestream. It's Halloween in the united. States. and. If you didn't know the through prominently freaking out right now, going what the Hell is going on and why is. That well, this is a special halloween. Halloween session, and for this Special Halloween session I've completely changed my hairline and I put on the Cape Otherwise. I come to you exactly as I normally am. Very, good. But for this special Halloween today, we have three fantastic guests for those of you who don't know I have been a co host on the original let stock bitcoin show since two thousand, thirteen with my wonderful co host. Adam. Lean. Stephanie, Murphy and Jonathan Head. Hello everyone. Injuries. Thanks. Ravenous Oh. It's so much fun to be here. Why don't you take us away Adam I'm going to say hello and the Chow while you're doing that. Okay sounds good. Hey, folks on today's episode of speaking of Bitcoin, we'll be celebrating Halloween, and the twelfth anniversary of the release of the Bitcoin White Paper will share some stories from bitcoins past the long ago of twelve years ago in some cases, we'll talk about the crazy things that he used to have to do to even use bitcoin hard lessons that many of us learned about technology. In personal responsibility along the way, we'll talk about shining examples but also horrible warnings will discuss products narratives that didn't survive extended contact with legal or even behavioral realities and wrap it all up with an extended Q. and A. Session where will answer questions from our live audience. That's you folks with all of that said, I'd like to introduce the hosts speaking of Bitcoin. Who will each tell us a little bit about our Halloween? Costumes Stephanie Murphy did her First Bitcoin Transaction and twenty twelve. She's a voiceover artist talk show host and former research biochemist hey stephanie. Adam Happy Halloween. alouine. Well I chose to you dress up as a deer because I live in the woods and I like it that way. Well. That's very good looking our Jonathan. Jonathan Mohan is a community builder played a key role in the evolution of New York's vibrant bitcoin seen a founding member of the theory team CEO of famous and fun fact is so smart because he literally won't stop listening to audio books, three times, speed, Jonathan what are you're listening to right now? Good Day Sir oh. Nothing redeeming good sci-fi war. Litter. Figure America hasn't started a war in a while. So I might as well start one in my head. Okay and your sign says, the fork is Ni-. What's going on here? Well, I'm from the future from the year twenty, one, forty, one when the last block has been mind and I've been sent back in time to tell everyone that you must embrace the forks you don't the Bitcoin will die in the year twenty one forty and I'm here to say that there are only two people in this world those against forks and those with the fork, you must embrace the fork because the forecast. The world does are allergic to forks because they. Address the silvering message for us all today and of course, for those of you watching the livestream, you know Andreas m aunts and operas author teacher and the man who turned his iconic airline into a leading educational brand in. CRYPTO Andreas. Thank you very much for setting this up. Thank you. I've been waiting for show like this for centuries. was going to say. You didn't wear a costume today now I didn't feel like I should dress up for Halloween. So instead I wore one of my iconic shirts not Turkey is not your coins which in itself is a horror story many have lived. And will certainly talk about as we get into today's show some of you may be asking who are you, and I'm glad you asked be. I'm an entrepreneur journalist, and for the last year, I've been building a new podcast network as an editor at Coin Desk. I'm also the coolest wizard on this call today. So. So. Thanks to all of you for watching the livestream and listening to the subsequent podcast version and a happy. Halloween to all. So kicking things off I'd like to just jump right in a travel back to the very early days the days before multi sig before segue and even hierarchical deterministic wallets whenever those things are there. So we're so used to them. Now back to the days when using bitcoin meant running a full node because there wasn't any other way to do it, and in this murky past, there were many casualties as we introduce our first horrific concept, the Wallet Dot Dat. Andreas I'd like you to start us off with an explanation of what this horrific creation was and what we all suffered through using it. Yes. So the woman dot dat is the first wallet that was created in the. BITCOIN qt, or bitcoin core clients before it was colds bitcoin core. And I don't know actually if wallet thought that was the first in fact, I think it was And it was an implementation of a wallet on top of a database platform called Berkeley DB. The past, quite a few problems with it especially with synchronization and backup, and to make things worse the way the swallowed was initialized. The was with a key management mechanism called just a bunch of keys or Jae Bok which basically meant the wallet would generate a hundred keys completely from random. So no seed node deterministic. Hierarchical deterministic quality or anything like that. Those things into exists it would just pick one hundred random numbers and make keys. So and every time you did a new transaction. It would see if it run out of keys yet, and if it did, it would make some new keys out of random numbers which meant that if you didn't come up and something happened to your computer. You'd lose the latest keys so you had to regularly back it up. But you couldn't do that with the software open because the database was in an unstable configuration and could get corrupted. So you have to shutdown the software every now, and then it was just a mess. You also had to download the entire blockchain onto your hard drive in sometimes I remember running space. Yeah, the wall adapt was interesting insofar as it was like a first implementation of this idea that we've come to really appreciate which has gotten a lot safer as time has gone on. But in that sort of early periods, sort of the thing that you really wanted to avoid was using too many addresses because you would blow past the limit, and then if you then tried to recover your wallet and you didn't have like. A very recent copy of this one file that you had to I slept backups and stuff like that. Right that have just like tons of Wallet Dot. That's because I on a couple of different occasions had to change computers and wound up losing bitcoin that I had received. But then my wallet could no longer find because I hadn't backed up the Wallet Dot file recently enough. So that kind of led to this whole It led to a number of technologies hierarchical deterministic sort of primary among them, which took that idea that your computer is just randomly going to generate these things and instead. Okay. Instead of randomly generating them, we start with this and then here's address one here's address to and you can generate and I believe unlimited number of addresses using this type of system without necessarily having to constantly be backing up. When you use too many addresses. Yeah I mean that's the problem with legacy technology as my kind. No, there was a time when we used wooden coffins instead of stone ones and it was just a mess you know. It could leak light from a window or people could turn into a wooden stake right there with outsourcing other additional materials the improvement with stone coffins was significant well, speaking of permanence Another kind of early topic that I think is much more refined. These days was this idea of the brain wallet right? Especially in areas you know like where for example, you're going to. Go to sleep for one hundred and fifty years, and it's potential that the parchment that you've gone to sleep with is in necessarily going to retain all the information that you need. Well, brain wallets made it. So you could just remember a word phrase or a song lyric and you would be able to then recover your bitcoin with that but there were some problems with that approach. Yeah, I mean even even for pirates, it's hard to remember for one hundred fifty years and you know some things are more memorable than others you know can I remember a phrase of Song Lyric? How marie-antoinette tasted? Some things I can somethings I can't. That some people can easily remember they tend to be reused, and so then you end up with different people who are holding the same keys and they're like, wait a minute where did my coins go while someone else had the same idea as you for brain wallet some people would put them in Google too, and then that was just like exposing them to the entire Internet. It has your keys now. Soledad doubts to you also the brain politics idea a lotta people overestimate their own abilities, create randomness and underestimate the ability of other people to attack that randomness. So this technique and information security called. A rainbow table a look up table the used for passwords to, which is effectively if you think about to bring wallets as just a common phrase like Mary, had a little lamb to do not use that one and then that's hashed into a key. Well, here's the thing. It's not difficult to harsh a lot of common phrases in fact. This is used to attack passwords to. So what you do is you take. Hundreds of thousands, millions of words and common phrases and a song names and lyrics and. Stories and TV characters, and in fact, on the Internet among forums there are. Hundreds of prebuilt dictionaries that contain things that people commonly hughes from cling onto Elvis to star trek names and characters to common phrases. All things like that. You Hash all of those things and you make a database that is several billion entries, and then all you have to do is keep an eye on the blockchain and look up every address that appears on the blockchain to see if it matches. One of the ones you've already created, and if it does, you already know the phrase that it correspondence because us the database you have, and you simply spend the money. The time it takes or brain wallet to be sees today is two point seven seconds. From the moment it is broadcast the bitcoin network two point, seven seconds and someone spent it. It's interesting to kind of think about that as sort of the where we ended. But in kind of the earlier days, that was not really true. This was sort of one of the first opportunities that opportunists within sort of the cryptocurrency community found to be able to try and sort of systemically farm people's naivete. You might call it through this sort of brain wallet compromise scheme, and in the kind of I remember back in the in the very beginning this did happen but it wasn't automatic. It was literally people who would just go in try all kinds of common things and establish wallets kind of. I remember blockchain. Dot Info was one of the big places where this would happen a lot but But again, like if you look at what happens these days in defy and with many as smart contract driven platforms where you have lots and lots of money these contracts and there's no simple way to do it like kind of with the old brain wallet but you're still looking for those weaknesses in the system you're still looking for those exploits and although the difficulty of finding things that you can exploit has gone up a lot while the amounts of money that we're talking about now also gone up just L. At least as much if not more in that same amount of time. I also remember when Blockchain Info would send you an email with your wallet dot that file whenever you send a transaction. And you'd have to think about which g mail account and went to and how that's now there forever. Those were fun times. Yeah, it was a it was a more naive time certainly So another thing that kind of came out subsequent to all of this as people were starting to become more concerned about privacy was the idea of multi wallets and we're now on a you know a much later implementation but those early implementations even it's it's such kind of like a sign of where we started from where none of this stuff existed and so many things had to kind of be discovered by people doing the wrong thing I, a couple of times before we finally got to the right way to do it. was such a terrifying thing in and of itself I mean I it came out and it was a very long time in bitcoin time periods. Before anyone meaningfully used it was it was one of those things that you knew you should be using, but you are too afraid to touch sort of like how everyone knows they might should have solar panel, but they're really glad someone else does what most people are terrified to touch them all day today. Yeah well, I remember one of the funny stats was. When a theory of did their crowd sale? They did it in the one system. They could trust financial inclusion security to which was bitcoin. And they wanted it to be secure so that use multi sake and so for the year where theory had a crowd sale and had that Bitcoin, in that multi-ethnic address, it was something like thirty to forty percent of all multi bitcoins worthy of crowd sale funds because they were. It was frankly that much effort it took to set up a multi sick and if you think bitcoin multi say which is implemented in the core protocol is scary. You haven't heard about parity multi on. which is the one that failed ended up having the smart contracts underlying killed and then. Locked up at the time one, hundred, fifty, million dollars that had been raised by various companies that we using it as their treasury. Yeah I think another interesting thing is the we talk about how scary and difficult to use things were in the past you know. And we sound like like where millennia old you know back in my days, you had to walk from the castle to the school every day. Hill both ways uphill both ways and snow. But the thing is the things still difficult to use things have still scary for newbies and we're nowhere near a level of maturity that will allow us to go mainstream and have more people easily adopt. This stuff is just we have become. A bit more experienced and a lot more numb to the risks and difficulties. So we don't notice them anymore. But if you talk to some of the people who are new, you know. Twenty nine thousand nine hundred twenty twenty users. There are still baffled and bewildered by all of this and if anything there's now so much more technology to try to learn. You know. You're right in I. Agree with you in that you know there are still meaningful challenges in front of it but I think that a lot of the way the bitcoin has developed as a use case moving away from sort of the base transactional thing where kind of in the early days we'll talk about narratives that didn't survive sort of the the years that have gone by a little while but but just that whole idea that you know like multi, for example, in those first implementations, multi was something that wasn't supported in really any wallet and that played a large role in why it was so challenging you sure it was there in the protocol, but you don't use bitcoin via the. Protocol, you use bitcoin via some sort of wallet or other device that than is implementation of that protocol and today if you WanNa, go looking for multi wallets that are easy to set up and relatively easy to manage again like we've come so far that we still have certainly much further to go but there's been a lot of progress since then and it's been again you know like we feel like this has been a long long time because obviously you know I've grown a beard and and Andreas has been asleep for twelve years, but it's only actually been about twelve years since the advent of technology. So if you compare that against most other things I think that we're looking pretty good here. I WANNA turn US briefly to sort of an it's not really the origin story for the show but one of the reasons why I thought that There was an opportunity to create a podcast about bitcoin and a show about bitcoin way back in two thousand thirteen, and it was actually the third or fourth one that I had created by that point was because of another show that had existed and which had gone pretty aggressively extinct I in the in the run-up to are starting to show, it was a show called the bitcoin show So bitcoin show was a product of only one TV cast live five days a week in video and audio out of new. York City Studio one day a week they even broadcast in Spanish as El Show de Bitcoin. So this was a very forward-looking enterprise in I. Believe Twenty Eleven through twenty twelve the bitcoin show is created by early evangelist Bruce. Wagner and friends, and the super early days was literally the only place you could go beyond the Bitcoin talk forums to learn about the technology and at the time it's incredibly rapid development even though as we're discussing obviously had some challenges, it's where I went to watch news about bitcoin. It was also the I believe the organizer of the very first bitcoin conference that was publicly announced and that again happened in New York City at their at their stew I think back in twenty eleven or twenty twelve. Yeah, POW there. So the the show actually was was quite popular and was very well produced mostly run by volunteers but they stepped on a landmine that really influenced our decision. You'll. You'll notice if you're a listener of the show that we don't really talk about products in any sort of a review or endorsement way, and that is entirely intentional and it is because with all of these challenges that we're talking about the ability to look at a product and be like, Oh, not only is this a good product, but it's not inevitably going to blow up in my. Face, is actually really hard to find, and so that is pretty much exactly what happens to the Bitcoin show is that I'm you know we're talking about these challenges with the early ways the wallets worked, and one of the ways that people tried to solve that one of the ways was brain wallets, which had the problems we're talking about. Another way was early web wallets and today when we think of web wallets worth thinking of Meta a mask and we're thinking of you know like what's another one edge dot? It's not really a weblog. Those are applications just. Our wallets really not Zola's thank you. Now they're extensions and browser wallets. Yeah. So you know this kind of early period of time before we knew better the. Instead. Of looking like a mask or something like that where you are holding your own keys as Andrea says. A lot more like the exchanges of the day and you would basically have a log in that. You would go to a website for, and then you would be holding your bitcoin there and it would feel like it was your bitcoin. But that whole, not your not your coins thing comes into play here and my Bitcoin, which is what the wallet specifically that was endorsed by the show is called either hacked or there was an exit scam we still don't really know as we often don't in these situations and hundreds of thousands of Bitcoin were lost. I. I was looking at the stats and I believe it's something like one point eight, billion dollars worth of Bitcoin, current prices. Was Luckily they actually had fifty percent of their bitcoin kept in cold storage, which at the time was an incredibly advanced idea. We can talk about paper wallets in a minute Andreas I know that you have some thoughts about those Huddah but again like this whole idea of how you look at this space and figure out what is or isn't safe. Stephanie. What was your experience with the early Web Wallets in the space? I remember blockchain that Info and also insta- Wallet Instant Wallet. was another one that got. Somehow compromised and it lost a bunch of users coins and actually had some coins in there and I remember like applying for a refund or something and I got like half a bitcoin back or something I got like half of it back basically. So I guess that's better than nothing but it definitely taught me not to rely on web wallets anymore and You know those were good because you could tell someone who at that time I was really interested in like trying to spread the word about bitcoin because I thought it was really cool. So I was telling People Oh, you know you don't have to be that technical just go to INSTA- Wallet Dot Com or Dot Info and just create like logging in a password, and then you can space story of Bitcoin there and it was great to be able to tell someone to do that. But then it wasn't safe and then they would come back to me me like, Hey, what happened to my bitcoin? You told me to go to this website. So. It was it was a common story and you know in the in the kind of aftermath of a lot of that people started turn they. Well, you know there's no real business model here but exchanges have a business model. Why don't I just keep my coins in someplace much safer like Mount Gawks? Johnson. AFER. Exactly. So Jonathan what do you remember kind of about the early days of Mt. Cox when it was seen as really solution here excuse me before we can go into that topic. I just want to point out we got. Two hundred and sixty people or so on live right now thank you all for joining us on this beautiful Saturday night and Thank you all for coming and participating for those of you who are wondering what the Hell is going on. It's Halloween and the United States, which is a special costume day As you can see, we have all dressed up as a various variations of sexy nurse and Yes. I'm the recently deceased sexy nurse but those various of the models out there. And if you're wondering who these other people are because your own white channel and you're wondering what the Hell's going on with that I've been doing a podcast, which is now caught more than five hundred episodes. I believe Adam right four, hundred and sixty somewhere range coaching the normal episodes. Yeah. We're getting there four hundred, sixty episodes since March ray pull of two thousand, thirteen and it is the longest running podcast about bitcoin and related things and the original. Let's talk bitcoin show as it was called now called speaking of Bitcoin so be and. These. Are My co hosts so I'll passback todd I'm so he can continue the conversation. Okay sounds good injuries. Thank you for that Anki, engines. So. What actually before we get to before we get to the the Malcolm X. Topic and kind of the era of exchange hacks that it spawned Let's talk about some just kinda early experiences in terms of scams within the space 'cause this is a space that is notorious for scams and they started pretty darn early. I think the the best place to start is pre exchange, which was doing transactions and person. Right I mean the there was before now gawks there was something even worse even more disgusting and even more scary to do business with and it was called pay pal. and. So what people would do is say, why don't I pay you money and you can send me the Bitcoin? And that's one as a community we learnt what? When you send it, you can't charge it back. Actually means what immutability means when it comes to no chargebacks because tape how doesn't have that problem? In fact, it's not a bug it's a feature, and so I cannot count the number of people in the early days of Bitcoin who would find someone on Bitcoin talk or find someone over facebook Hell I. Did I did a transaction for twenty bucks. A quarter of a bitcoin now. Hey. And did it over pay pal and because Bitcoin can't be charged back. A day later you find out hey, I didn't have that twenty bucks. I thought I had. And you got scammed. which led to the innovation that at the time was local bitcoin dot com today it's something of an institution around the world especially in places where exchanges are not allowed but at the time that was seen and it wasn't just that too I remember there were John Lights and a variety of other people engaged in what were called the button would meet ups We did a number of new early episodes on these and button would was a reference to the start of the stock market. Basically, I'm when the stock market had been basically just guys meeting at a coffee shop. Or in a park and trading ownership shares in companies. Yeah and so that. in New York City actually back in early two, thousand, thirteen, the community was talking about scary stories about people meeting in person and feeling Berry afraid for themselves in their security. and. So at the early meet UPS, we had this conversation it was it was like a two hour conversation. We decided actually to meet every Monday at Union. Square. So from about two thousand thirteen route to like twenty fifteen there were weekly meetings in the park. And the funny thing was this was during occupy Wall Street cops were everywhere and people thought bitcoin itself was criminal. And so they said, what are you to do a transaction? He said the park. So why would you do a transaction the park and we said that's where all the cops are. So. So so there'd be twenty or thirty of us, and so both for your own security but for a normal person someone who's new to the space, you feel a lot safer that thirty random people aren't going to rob you than what? and one of the. least scary ways to by early bitcoin would be to at least New York go to a park and in fact. It got to the point where I think there are over twenty of these Let's meet up once a week and buy and sell in person bitcoins they were called like button woods or squares. Yes. Square was the other one. Yeah. So And Yeah that was one of the ways where if bit instant couldn't serve you and Malka couldn't do it and you're afraid of pay pal, you would just meet in the park in your local city. Your. Local parks in local park in the city. Yes speaking of trying to trade peer to peer using the existing banking system and pay pal chargebacks weren't the only thing you have to worry about. If paypal found out that you were selling cryptocurrency, they would ban your accounts or other other institutions to banks Some banks were accepting like you know you could drive up and deposit an envelope of cash into someone else's account and they stopped that real quick. There were a lot of people that got their accounts shutdown and so you could you could find yourself. UNBAGGED pretty quickly. Maybe that wasn't scary to some but. For some people, it could be a very inconvenient. It wasn't until the Senate hearings in in November of two thousand thirteen that the different alphabet letter agencies in America said that owning bitcoin in and of itself wasn't date cry. They went on the record and said that right after that sentence was said Bitcoin went from five hundred to nine hundred. There is still a stigma. There is still a stigma for on there. That was another big reason. Why Why sort of the in person group event thing became a thing? Why frankly local bitcoins became a thing is because at least in the United States. Although the legal status about this thing was very uncertain and was not at all clear that there wouldn't be trouble I remember in the early days when I was starting shows I started the first four Bitcoin podcasts that I did not using my real name and that was because there was concerned that will putting the stuff on the record might be a thing. But the one thing we did know is that two people in a non business setting you know trading one thing for another not something that can be made. Illegal if it's not already proactively illegal, you can't you can't be retroactively turned into an illegal action and so that kind of led to this in-person thing which I had a really positive impact in Andrey I'd like you to kind of from this one, but really started to build a community of people who didn't know each other on the Internet even though what we were talking about was magical Internet. Money started to build the relationships in real life and create the infrastructure that we've now seen develop into frankly an enormous industry. Yeah, and I at the time for a brief period I actually. tried. To help people get the first bitcoin so I would sell small amounts i. At most a few hundred dollars a Bitcoin in-person. I didn't buy it that way but I sold it that way and got cash and it was really I was selling it out the market rate no markup, no profit just the market rate and the goal was to help introduce bitcoin in a safe manner that were antony good exchanges. It was very difficult to find. Bitcoin and there were people interested. So. I would meet. I would meet a person in. In like a shopping mall. Or starbucks in a public place with lots of other people. So they didn't feel worried about it. and I would tell people don't. Don't try to commit any fraud 'cause you will be dealing with police which if YOU'RE A criminal is Warren but if you're not a criminal is actually reassuring and. The problem of course was. Selling, bitcoin is much riskier than buying it. So if you buy bitcoin in person, you can verify especially if it has escrow that the bitcoin is indeed real and yours so can just wait around for a few for one confirmation would be enough in most cases. and. Then you're comfortable. Right you've got the Bitcoin is yours done On the other hand, selling bitcoin is a bit more risky and I did get scammed once memorably when I sold a few hundred dollars worth Bitcoin and was passed counterfeit. Twenty dollar bills. And I didn't know they were counterfeit at the time. It wasn't sophisticated enough to test them So I looked at them thinking I can tell right we can all tell a look and see if there's What looks like a watermark and if it feels right etc CETERA. It turns out you can't tell and. I discovered very quickly. The forge twenty dollar bills are remarkably difficult to tell apart unless you have a UV Patton and you know how to use it and you can shine a light through its and all of that. So. Iron listed gets wet in your case right so in my case I then. Later that day. was at a bar with some friends and I paid for some drinks and the bartender call me back and said, hey, dude, don't pull that. She heard this money isn't real like excuse me. And my twenty dollar bill which had left down on the counter. Had melted. Because got wet and Lyndon doesn't do that. But Printer paper does and it was a type of printer paper that was felt very linen like but didn't then stand water very well. So. They were very nice by told them I honestly had no intention of scamming you. This was an honest mistake someone pass me this. and. Know Fortunately, I didn't have a cop come along and stand on my neck for eight minutes. And I was able to laugh it off what ended after which is. Funny I took the forged dollar bills that I had been given and laminated them together with some real dollar bills and are turned it into an exercise would meet people at meet ups and I would give them ten dollars worth of Bitcoin, real, money. If they could spot the fake twenty dollar bill in my little laminated cards became a lesson and most people couldn't which it was a public service. To to help people I know that it's very easy to to defraud people. Yes. So that was my lesson and from them and I knew I could trust bitcoin when I can verify it but it's much harder to verify things like US dollar bills. And also gold. which started giving me some ideas about the real value of this system. Definitely Stephanie or Jonathan, would either of you like to share a story about your early experiences with Bitcoin or any early scams that you fill victim to. Well, I would say that one of my most fun experiences when it comes with fear is the bitcoin transactions especially early days and Bitcoin. Because You hear something and even when you get knowledgeable you think number is like this magic line in the sand that means you're okay. And so people heard six confirmations means you wouldn't get a Bitcoin chargebacks six magic number six. There's nothing holier in Bitcoin the number six. And so if you had a one bitcoin confirmation, that's just the hello, you have a to bitcoin confirmation that's a how do. But when you get to three to four, then you're all right. But six six is where the real magic happens and so there was this fear out there that you would get. You would get. You would get wiped out that someone would roll back the blocks that they would. They would replay your transactions or do something and you can't. If you said that Bitcoin, you would never see it again and so. I had transactions in twenty thirteen with people. Where we ended up waiting six confirmations where someone would say, Hey, I, WanNa buy Bitcoin I wanNA buy right now. I'm a friend of this guy we've never met before but so and so about. I'm like all right. You can come by stop at my place for five minutes and you'll be on your way sent a bitcoin knee he goes. All right. Well, I need to wait for six confirmations and so I would have a random guy. This guy just sat on the porch for. An hour and a half until confirmations game got lemonade. I guess for free out of it. That was a fun time. Another time I had that was rather scary was somebody else I knew it his first bitcoin transaction I think it was the first time. I ever saw sixteen thousand dollars in cash on a table. which was which was scary because imagine trying to buy bitcoin there was no other way than. A bag of cash. and. The value of that in terms of what you were getting four sixteen thousand dollars well compared to today today at by slightly more than one I think I saw prices go over fourteen thousand dollars again, this morning. And but you know at the time you were talking about quite a lot of bitcoin quite quite a large. A certainly, not me I wish I had that kind of. But The the guy who brought the bag of cash literally bought brought ex-marine with him. This is my ex marine friend. He was a trained killer. By the way, here's the bag of money. You need the security to match the risk I guess. That's another thing that I think people have fear about, but don't realize which is that. The average retail bank. Has Less than twenty thousand dollars in cash in it? And so when you're looking at soft targets, if you have more than one and a quarter or one and a half bitcoin on you right now in your possession or somewhere in your home, you're a softer richer target than robbing all the money in a bank right now. and. That's something just to leave you with today. WHO Let's take a brief breather hair. And we have three hundred and twenty people on the live stream. Welcome to everybody who just joined. If you're wondering what's happening, I'm here with my co host from the original. Let's Talk Bitcoin show now speaking of Bitcoin and. We are all wearing scary costumes because it is Halloween in the US. And if you thinks theft costume isn't scary, you don't know about lyme disease ticks and. Jonathan. A lot of people on chat are asking they're not quite sure what's happening with you. So I just want everyone to constantly live in fear of the fifty one percent attack. 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Fantastic So I remember the first time that That I was looking to buy bitcoin. at the time, the methods that were available for me to do. So this was before the era of button would before the era of sort of you know really any sort of meaningful methods and I remember there was one person on the Bitcoin talk forums, which was one of the very early places where all of the community happened at the time before we have this broad aura that's come sense and there was a gentleman who went by the name Bitcoin Morpheus who you could have an address in DC Washington DC, where you could send an envelope full of cash and he would then transfer Bitcoin to you and at the time I believe Bitcoin. Cost about like five dollars each something in that range and and I I was considering getting about ten and I was like you know it's just too risky just just too risky in hindsight not a great choice but but the kind of early you know unsupported nature of this. There had been experiments like this before and I think we have a question will begin to in the second hour a where we kinda talk about sort of the early origins of the technology from Adam back that would later in part inspire bitcoin and the way proof of work works but Stephanie you know I think that It was twenty eleven that you got your first. Bitcoin. Sarah Yeah. And I got it as a gift. It was like a tip for a radio show that I was doing and someone who is listening to. It was actually a very ended up becoming a very influential person in the world of Bitcoin. the original bitcoin Jesus. Yes. The original victim Jesus that was that was who I got my first coin from. And Yeah I I'm really grateful for that because it changed my life for sure. I have a scary story about paper wallets guys wanted that. So we haven't really talked about this yet but. Back. Like in the early days, you know everyone was talking about cold storage like after all these web wallet hacks were happening people were saying, well, you shouldn't store your coins and a web wallet. You should store them in a paper while it right because a paper wallet is offline and so I was like okay I learned how to. Use. An offline copy of the bit address Dot Org website to generate private keys offline. So I had some friends who were doing it with like a graphing calculator. One of wrote a program to do it and someone was doing it with dice. I didn't go that far I was using an offline copy of bit address. But you know I was learning how to do this and made some paper wallets and was like using some for cold storage and a friend of mine. Asked me how to do how did I do this and wanted me to teach them how to do it. So I said okay sure I'll teach you. And you know we went through it together, and then my friend proceeded to make a bunch of paper wallets because at the time like I, this may have even been before hierarchical deterministic wallets and so each set of keys was a different address and then you would just kind of split up your coins and put like one coin in each address or something, and that was a separate piece of paper and so my friend was doing this but they were also like a digital minimalist kind of and. Wanted to keep the amount of paper in their life down. So they came up with the idea to print these paper wallets to like a pdf or something, and then store them as an encrypted file in the cloud and I was like, okay, that's pretty smart. It's like a paperless paper while it. Well, there was a problem. There was a print to pdf problem with whatever browser they were using, and somehow it cut off the the Qr Code that you needed to get the private key of like. There were five paper while it's on every page, it cut off one of them, and so my friend had already loaded all of them and they ended up losing twenty percent of their coins because then they couldn't access though the paper wallet so. There were lucky. They didn't lose all of them but. Things like that would happen and then there's always the problem of like what if it gets wet? What is it burns? What if you know walks away? So and we didn't talk about and we didn't. We didn't talk about the security implications of that Wallet Dot Data. Approach. But I remembered that there was like a meaningful decision that had to be made in the very early days when you were creating one of these, do I want to encrypt this or not? Because if you didn't encrypt it, someone could take it right like someone and there. Were instances where like someone used someone else's computer found in unencrypted Wallet Dot, Dat file and would steal a bitcoin from that. But there were also plenty of instances where people would encrypt their while dot dot files and write down the password and then lose the password because you gotta make it hard. So they can't crack it and then that was exactly the same problem there were ways to happen. Yeah. I I got locked out of a Wallet Dot Dat in the original Bitcoin qt client, and then I had to have some hacker like. I gave gave them what I thought was the password and they tried a bunch of different combinations and they took commission gave me back. Always bad I didn't want to do that again. Someone I know had a similar problem with it. Forgot though password to the wallet thought that was so desperate that they want to. A hypnotist like not like a circus hypnotist, not like a a show hypnotise like a psychotherapist to specialized in hypnosis. To help progress them to the moment they were typing in their password and help them remember it and it worked and they were able to recover their wallet dot that all of these scary stories By the way I'm still fighting a battle on social media especially on read it. With. Trying, to persuade people that DIY security to save sixty dollars worth. Of the costs it will be to buy a hard wallet and instead tried to build tails. On an old laptop used tore and bit addressed on Oregon in Coleman's bit thirty, nine tool or do paper wallets or do air gap machines, all of these. Solutions are absolutely terrible and I keep getting people contacting me telling me they're they're horror story of how they. Lost all of their savings because they tried to do some kind of diy solution and then fucked it up So and came in mind that's not because I'm against paper wallets. Business in Bitcoin actually was. A People Wallet Design Kohl's safe paper wallet, which came as a kit. The you can generate an install. And printouts at your home and it came with everything you need to do it and it was it was okay for the time being and it was designed to be able to give. Away to cold storage at Balkh but. Those systems are obsolete. The tails operating system isn't an operating system for security. It's an operating system for online privacy is not meant to be air gapped in fact, designed to go online. It doesn't actually protect your operating system. Running, it isn't very secure go far too much overhead on. The web based Wallet Generators generators like bit addressing the Coleman's site. Are testing purposes not for using producing. Production level randomness the average user can very easily get redirected to a fake site. And generate something that is either not random more leaks keys. All of these solutions allow people very easily to exceed their level of skill in the pursuit of. This false sense of security. And dissolution is really easy. You spend sixty dollars and you get hard wallet it's not worth spending sixty dollars. You don't have enough going to lose, and if you have enough bitcoin to lose by a fucking hardware wallets and stop wasting time trying to become a security expert at great risk that's about all I. Keep losing because people keep coming into every one of those strides and going. But but what if people wallet this down this way but what if we do it that way but one of them? and. I'll just keep fighting mostly one day we'll succeed in persuading people not to take these stupid stupid risks with their money. Before, there were ledger and Nanno related solutions. One really did have to do it. And you just reminded me of story where I had helped a friend. By a net book. And we went to pc Richard in person because we didn't want the male to man in the middle of the laptop. And ended up explicitly buying a laptop just to install armory on it. Goes Armory. off-line signing with a thumb drive, and then I remember putting all the software and the thumb drive set this naked laptop never touch the internet and then checking the check sums to make sure that the software don't. Get in the middle before i. It that's what you have to do that. But I mean, that's a process that for security professional, you're looking at a minimum of twelve hours to create a hardware. Secure Air gapped piece of hardware installed correctly, and and it takes a lot of work. And takes a lot of work and that's if you know exactly what you're doing, I used to build air gap systems. For my job. For companies the needed to do things like certificate signing. For four financial networks in the banking industry, and these are very difficult to do, and they're very difficult to new right and even more difficult to maintain the maintenance protocol is incredibly complex. So you don't end up compromising after the fact, and all of that work has been done for you and hard wall. That's what hardware wallet is. It's a laptop without tend to think that's unnecessary and an operating. System without anything that's unnecessary. That's designed to do exactly what you're trying to do with a laptop in an operating system only done by people actually know what they're doing in Minneapolis easy to mess up. It's so easy to mess up in so many ways and it's so easy to mess up ways don't result in theft, but simply reduce your degree of redundancy resilient so you just lose it through. An accident. Hardware. Damage corruption whatever. Before, we go to our next topic I do want to point out that we are going to be taking questions from the audience and in order to. To ask questions. You need to one second. Go. In order tries questions you need to use. Our slide show. So we have a slide over this trough questions go to slide Hautacam. The Event Code is scary crypto son of a bitch. SCR, scary, crypto speaking of Bitcoin, which is the name of our podcast and You can ask your questions there and keep in mind. If you ask a question that already hind of has been asked by someone else you end up splitting the votes, we will only have time to answer a ten or twelve questions. If you see one of those close enough to what you WANNA ask vote Pat won't up if you ask it again, slightly differently, you split the votes in half between your question, the other almost guaranteeing neither your question nor the other one is close enough will get answered that some election strategy for you just in case you wanted to sink not typically about selections anytime soon. All right. That sounds good. So before we get to questions, there is one more area that I would like to touch on. We're unfortunately not going to get to some of the stuff that I think would be fun but one area that is fun. Is the we haven't really talked about mining at all. And mining was one of those narratives that in the very early days of Bitcoin, there was this idea of one CPA one vote which was taken by most to mean at the time that one CPU would be per person and then there would be many many many people participating and it was only through this sort of arms race of of equipment that we've really reached the level of boats security on the one side, but also kind of the industrial nature of the mining ecosystem today. But back in the early days that was not true and everybody wanted to mind when you came in. This is still true today people today who are new to the system. Oh, how can I mind I'd love to mind and earn some free Bitcoin, but it's not really doable. But back in twenty thirteen when we were getting started I, it was and actually one of the companies that comes to mind which isn't around anymore is this company called butterfly labs and they had this product called the Jalapeno that was announced. I. Believe in the summer of Twenty twelve and then subsequently released a year or two later of far far past the sort of. A very, very late didn't really do it wanted, but the Jalapeno was this It was envisioned as almost a coffee warmer than just this little box that you would plug in, and then you put your Coffee Cup on it and it would use the heat being generated by the by the mining power to keep your cup of coffee warm and at the time it came out I believe it cost about one hundred, twenty dollars and taking pre orders in Bitcoin. That's right. This was One of the kind of continual lessons throughout of our time here in Bitcoin is that it feels great to spend bitcoin. bought. Later, it feels really really really dumb and so I remember with this one I preordered one of them and I think I paid thirteen bitcoin for at the time, which at the time I was like this is great. The price of Bitcoin has gone up a little bit and so. EASILY, make it back, right? Well, I don't know about thinking I'd make it back I don't know it was just so hard to conceptualize sort of the price doing what it would then later go to do. You know in the first year US doing the show. When I believe I was still waiting for For the this to be delivered, the price of Bitcoin had gone up to hundreds of dollars and then to low thousands of dollars and so this thirteen bitcoin that it seemed like such a great spend at the time on this device that I was sure was going to be really cool. Wow. No big something that later I was like, oh, man, this is a terrible idea and I actually got a refund in I believe the winter before we started the. Show and I, they gave me the refunding bitcoin. So I got back like a quarter of the BITCOIN. But by having gotten that refund I was still able to you know not lose everything that I had spent on it but my total cost on that device when was finally delivered I think I calculated it was in the thousands of dollars range and that's a lesson that I've learned over and over and over again So I'll just kind of. to to the rest of the hosts but you know talk to me about like Ding and things that you spent, and you know what you later thought about them and also talked to me about kind of your early involvement with mining to the degree that you participated Stephanie let's start with you. I I got into mining kind of late at first. I was experimenting with Mining Light Coin, and at the time I was in school and I had access to a workplace with free electricity and so I was like, hey, why not try it and I tried mining some light coin I think I was still a little too late to the game. At that point, they were starting to use GPS mining at that point instead of c peers and so then I got the bug and I was interested in it and I set up like a GP RAG at my house just to see if I could do it and. I. Think I got a few light coins. It really wasn't enough to pay for the US in the electric city like it was definitely just a hobby. So I was I was not doing it professionally enough and. The market kicked me out, which is probably a good thing. and. Then later, I in a raffle or something. I won a cloud mining contract like when cloud mining was supposed to be was starting to thing and I was thinking like I. Don't think I would ever by this and I don't really understand like how this works. It feels a little bit weird but it was cool to to win that and just see like a payout at come into my address every couple. Talk about something airy cloud mining contracts. So Yeah, I can twenty thirteen. It was way too hard to have enough skill to make a coin. And so the original Shit coin was just selling these fake digital certificates that claimed that the other person was mining bitcoin for you. As very easy to turn into a policy because all you had to do is pay out of the original investors and the mining from the income from the future investors which made them feel like they were making profit for mining and there's no way to verify that there's an machines running in the background that are actually mining and this continues to this day. I get contacted at least a couple of times. A month from people are pulled in being pulled into a crypto mining scam. where? there are told the payout is imminent anytime now they're going to get. The going to get a payouts and that of course never happens. All. Right. Is everybody ready to go to questions. So let me just wrap that one up. Yes we'll go to questions right after this. So, there were a number of I think we can at this point, call them scams or Ponzi schemes that made extensive use of this whole cloud mining proposition particularly notable one was gentleman named Josh Garza. GW miners and pay coin and a couple of other projects and he actually did up, it was actually quite interesting. It was one of the first instances of community that was involved in a scam in cryptocurrency aggressively coming to the defense of the person who was running the scam and I remember back when Let's Talk Bitcoin was a full news desk we were working closely with A. Gentleman named Mike who ran a site called coin fire and he was all over that story and wound up getting into a bunch of legal actions with Josh Garza and Josh Garza was eventually convicted of I believe wire fraud charges and sentenced to twenty one months in federal prison and he was also find nine million dollars for that actually. So it was quite a you know this was. An early project which took years to work its way through the legal system But yeah, cloud mining again that that attraction that people have to mining at the point that it became industrialized and it wasn't really possible to do anymore while there are always people who are willing to take your money and tell you what you wanted to hear, and that remains true in bitcoin today. So it's just another reminder to keep your wits about something sounds too good to be true it probably is but with that Andreas, let's go to questions. All right. Let me let me get this up. All right, and here is our first question and I'm GonNa have to switch screens quickly so I can actually read it 'cause I only became immortal in my fifties which point already needed reading glasses tragedy for him Pires. One of the major threats and risks associated with Bitcoin as an investment excluding sound monetary policy, any technical threat? How about China's influence? This question comes from Mati. Well I will say that. I've gone to a number of like Internet committee events like the World Wide Web and I can and other such related organizations and when you talk to people who sit on the boards of those organizations or on steering committees especially early in the life of Bitcoin they would say you know one of the concerns I have is how the backbone for this infrastructure is based in China and what the political ramifications of US agreeing to put our influence behind making this a part of core infrastructure to the Internet would do. I don't know how their opinions have changed over the years but I can say that that that was a real concern or at least a real perceived concern. By some when it comes to a global standards. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely and I think the China thing is overplayed. In many ways, people seem not particularly worried about the fact that all of our computers smartphones and. A whole bunch of other consumer products are all made in China to and so what if China stops making phones for us or? Things like that or what if they attempt to manipulate? Wall hardware is produced for political purposes Of course, a lot of people are worried about that too. But. I. Think. This is an overblown concern especially when it comes to to bitcoin mining but that's pretty controversial opinion. Let's go to our next question I. Would I would tell in that one last statement which was at in recent years China's actually not found mining to be something that they enjoy governmental level and so have been signaling to people hey, this is not really the most preferred business you could be doing, and so you've actually seen a lot of the hash rate leave China. And one of the most interesting things that have happened is in the past couple of years, America's been become a very competitive energy market and you've seen a ton of very large. Mining facilities actually come to the states so if you were to look at the hash rate especially. In to its trajectory, I would say that we finally gotten to some level of geographic diversity and it's diversifying more and more each year. Our next question comes from Tom. What are some scary mistakes you can make with multi wallets? Off Start. In order to reconstruct the Maltese league, you have to maintain a copy of the original x pubs or public keys used in the multi script. It is not enough to have backups of, let's say in two or three script, it's not sufficient to have backups of only two of. The seeds because you can't actually reconstruct the script and the multi addresses with at least having the public keys for the third wallet. So even though theoretically and a to serie. Moldy, sake if you if you lose one set of keys, you can continue that is not true if you do not have a backup of the script. Another thing that that I've personally fallen victim to is thinking that I'm doing the right thing by being really really focused on creating a secure wallet. So for example, a three of three wallet where you know I control all of the keys and then you lose a single key or one of them gets damaged or someone who is holding it for you is no longer holding for you and now none of it is accessible. So with you always kind of want to build. In a little bit of margin of error for yourself where it's hard for someone. So you know breaking your house or whatever and steal one of your keys and that doesn't give them enough to get into it. But at the same time, you leave yourself some room to make personal mistakes because they can and do happen whether you intended them to or not. Yeah. Never used three of three never used to to. You should always have a small aquarium than the the total. Also, there's issues with inheritance and passing them onto airs. You know there's a, there's an entire book about this by Pamela Morgan. Crypto acid inheritance planning where most of the time you know people are concerned about security people stealing their coins but most of the the issue is that their their loved ones can't access their money after they're gone and they're no longer able to show them how to access it. So you have to sort of balance that and Yeah. That's that's definitely happened To I've heard of some examples of of this, you know like where it's. The security was kind of prioritized over the ease of access, which is always a tradeoff. Right in recent recently, I had an issue with multi wallet. I was just like you said Andreas trying to import it into a different wallet from one multi Sig enabled wallet into a different one and I got the derivation path wrong or something like that, and and I looked at the imported wallet like zero you know like there shouldn't be zero. And I panicked for a minute, but then I was thinking. Okay I you know I just I just had the wrong derivation path, but it's not always easy to tell. Her sure. Next question. Next question. Is Defy trick or treat no before we jump into this question, a couple of points of clarification I've been living in the United States for twenty years and. I was introduced the Halloween during my time here that doesn't exist in other countries. So what are the things that happens during Halloween is children Go from house to house encountering their neighbors, and they knock on the door and they say trick or treats and trick or treat is supposedly giving you a choice and the choice you have is between giving them poisonous sugar-laden treats toxic candy, or having the. Exact revenge on narrow property or self esteem with horrible trick some kind of Prang. Well, I can tell you from experience is someone who came to this country as a foreigner. This system is fundamentally broken. So in today's generation when the children came to my doorstep and they knocked on the door and they said trick or treat smiling broad smiles and then hold out the little buckets and I would say trick. They had no idea what to do next they were. Unprepared. They had only asked this question retarget. Received Candy and apparently they did not understand the purpose of the other part of the question and so when I chose trick always. They were confounded. And did not have any follow through on their empty threats. So I would sit back and laugh. You called their bluff on the candy extortion yeah. Listen. You'd better bring some some weapons or some dangerous ideas or something like that. So. All right so is defy. A trick or a treat who wants to go to that one. Well defy is like a large thing right like a large umbrella. Would I wonder like the person you fi- as a concept is perfect and beautiful like rainbows and Unicorns can never hurt you unless that's how you like it. Specific in stations of it however. Seemed to be far more. Trick. Than treat. However. It seems to be getting better over time but such is the nature of progress. It used to be that when you were looking at a system that built on top of a blockchain and use tokens within it, you're looking at a system that was inherently centralized, right so it's an exchange or a game or something like that, and it might look at Blockchain, but that was pretty much the extent of it and the blockchain itself was very simple in terms of what it did. Typically, it was just about tracking transfers of ownership from one party to another or one address to another irrespective of whether it's a new party. Would defy really did is it introduced the idea that you didn't actually need platforms that were external. You could do this all in all on top of blockchain that was You know that had smart contracts on it and so from a as Jonathan, said like from a philosophical standpoint, it's kind of beautiful concept where it's entirely accessible to everyone cannot be censored in the way that a server can be But in practice, what we've seen is that adding that complexity to blockchain's is very challenging to do safely. It's actually one of the things that you know again having been doing this as long as we have you'd expect that I think we'd be comfortable. With much of this technology but at least personally I still find smart contracts very risky and I. Still You know I I'm very reticent when I have to deal with anything because it is so permanent because it is a reversible. So from functionality perspective, I think defy is very promising and I think that it's very much a tree that could have large impacts on the world as it goes forward. But as far as the platforms that are out there right now, I really do view most everything that's happening more as as you know like the latest form of gambling that we've seen in crypto which has been kind of a theme that's come over and over again. And might eventually evolving the technology that completely changes everything but during this highly risky period. I don't know falls more on the trick site for me today. At least I would say that a good way to evaluate this is in the decision trees of outcomes. Defy. Right now. In every single scenario where the technology breaks, the system breaks was a hack you're funds got stolen something went wrong any sort of failure point? If the decision tree is always well, you knew going in this could have happened go it was your fault or ou weren't intelligent enough to deal with this and there every single failure point in that decision tree is just a Carpe Diem. Life is life is funny That's when things feel more tricky than treaty. And I feel like a lot of the space is still so nascent that the answer is instill an experiment means that we're still very much in the Trick. Rather than treat phase of these solutions we have. Largely true about Bitcoin to in the end you know in the comparable era to where defiance today is like especially. To today, we have a greater amount of certainty that the technology is robust and that the kind of obvious attacks or a relatively easy attacks will they must not exist because otherwise somebody would have pulled them and we would have seen you know tr- tokens transfer. We would have seen our compromises that indicate that it was the underlying technology. I think that again, just by nature of the complexity within that system that's pretty much where it is right now to like the technology obviously has promised but whether or not the current implementations of it have the robustness. That's. Really needed for the amounts of money that they're holding at any given time that is still very much up in the air and I, think we continued again like it's it's a lot like the early eras of trying to figure out how do you do wallets in a way that is both safe and accessible for people who don't have a mathematics degree right? Like that's just it's a hard problem and you have to do it the wrong way a bunch of bunch of times before you figure out what the right way is just by elimination of the other options. It's it's technology or a concept that's definitely worth refining but nobody really wants to go I accept those who are very comfortable with people are comfortable going I but like you know like a big prizes, big risks. So we all make personal decisions about that. All right. Next question. ooh I this one I find it scary that people send bitcoin deliberately to burn addresses. What reason would be nice to hear your opinion on how many bitcoins are lost forever. So there's really two parts of this question here. There's the burn addresses and what the heck's up with that thing, and then there's the. You know the bitcoins lost forever thing and does that create problems or risks moving forward so I'll just talk briefly about the burn thing, and then we'll go to the full panel for for the kind of the lost forever question So bitcoin burn addresses like they sound scary. But really what it is is it's intentionally sending bitcoin or or token on another block chain to an address that nobody has the case for and under most circumstances when people are talking about these things has an address that is so specific that it would be impossible for someone to randomly create it, and so it was prove ably on spendable zero address in a theory. Right. Exactly. At a theory does have a specific address in it that counts for this but in Bitcoin you kind of had to hot wire it. The reason why people typically do this and it's not a particularly scary reason there's there's really two scenarios. One is that you are transferring funds into another system where you are taking theory him for example, and you are converting it into something else right and so like the the kind of I think first major use of this was on the bitcoin chain when A. Token, protocol called Counterparty was was enabled basically, and basically this allowed you to create ear see twenty like tokens or just arbitrary tokens. We use the system to create lt be Klein on which was a rewards program that we run. We ran from two thousand fourteen through twenty seventeen for people who are part of the podcast network or who appeared on on the. podcasts there, and in order to create those tokens, there was a period of time where you would destroy your bitcoin and you would get one hundred of the counterparty token back for every one bitcoin that you destroyed, and this was the only way that you could initially get them and the reason why they did. It was because this came on the heels of another project. Called Master Coin and mastered was doing basically the same thing it was letting you create tokens that lived on top of Bitcoin but instead of doing a burn, they actually collected money and they used it to fund the project and there was a broad perception at the time. This was also the first ICO worth mentioning on way back in the summer of twenty thirteen beat it but. Made Tomato I think master point beat it but tomato. I mean master Quinn was the first ICO for sure and it had raised money and then it had over the course of about six months. spent a lot of that money in ways that many people within the space thought frankly was not particularly productive and so there was this kind of broad disillusionment within parts of the early token community around. Well, we're just not going to collect money at all, but we still need some way to distribute these tokens to people so that they can. Be a part of this network There are many projects that have struggled with this getting people to care about their project, right and the way the bitcoin did it was well at first you could just mind it and nobody really was mining it. So if you minded, you are quite a lot but as time went on that became harder, but it also established that user base that allowed people actually want to buy it because they could see that there was some value in it but for. New Protocols that were launching. They couldn't really repeat that because because of those reasons if you're talking about. So that's primarily why people use burn addresses is because you're transitioning whatever you're burning into something else and you are never going to get it back. Point isn't to get it back a really what it is. It's a show of commitment just as when you're running a mining hardware, right a mining computer. What's your effectively doing is you're wasting energy and you're you're using hardware that can only. Be used for this purpose. That's not the thing that gives bitcoin it's security. It's the thing that demonstrate your commitment to giving bitcoin security that then let's the network know that that you know you are performing the work it's not useful work in the sense of doing something productive, but it is useful work in the sense that we can measure it without having to know who people are and it's much the same thing here. So I with all of that said I, think the more I do. That's the definition of a deliberate burn address, and then there's the not delivered burn addresses, which is every bitcoin address to which you lose the private keys, which becomes a burn address. advertently created some of those. For example. When I did the first example in my and my first book master and Bitcoin. The address that I showed in the first chapter. that. Alice use the by a cup of coffee from Bob's cafe. I managed to misplace the private key for that was generated just for example, I kept most of the other ones but I'm honest misplace that one despite the fact that they will warnings all over the book not to send money to address people have sent I think just over to Bitcoin. by scanning and paying the bulk even had people. contact. Me Rather upsets and said, well, I shouldn't the payments but not only not get any coffee, but also I can't get it back now on a bike you did waht. Foolish peasants. So that's that's something that can happen and you know your bitcoin address can become a burn address you lose the private keys. So then bitcoin gets burned. So what? And and this is the interesting thing that happens. It's an Faq It's a frequently asked question. If more people keep losing keys and the amount of bitcoin locked up in these keys keeps increasing. Is there a point at which this becomes the threat to Bitcoin? And I kind of have to answer to this one. If you think about it from an economics perspective as you reduce the supply of liquid coins, what that does it increases the value of the ones that are actually circulation. So every time someone burns our bitcoin. They essentially distributed as a gift to everybody else who holds bitcoin in proportion to the bitcoin they hold. So every reduction in supply increases the value of the remaining amount by the same proportion as as whatever was burned. That's one answer but there's another more interesting I think long-term answer which is. It's now become apparent that these May eventually not be burned forever, and the reason for that is quantum computing. So there is a possibility that at some point in the next fifteen or twenty. Here's a quantum computer on a commercial scale becomes capable of breaking old EC the essay. And extracting private keys from signatures. So if these bitcoin addresses have been used at least once, which means that a signature exists in the blockchain. Signature could be reverse engineered to produce the private key and not bitcoin could be reentered into circulation. This does not apply to. That early coins because those were never spent multiple once. And it doesn't apply if you don't reuse addresses because you never spent it. When you spend it, it's empty and you never use it again. But if you keep reusing the same address and then lose it or if the burn address, it has spent at least once a quantum computer could break it. Theoretically, you could reach a point where a quantum computer could reverse shot to fifty six although we don't know any good algorithms so that Get the public keys for those addresses and then reverses the private keys at which point all of the coins including. So Toshihisa early coins and anything else that is locked and hasn't been spent and hasn't been migrated to stronger keys in the meantime with be spendable. That point, the reverse gifts happens. So where before every bitcoin that's burned is a gift to the entire rest the supply in proportion. Once it stolen through some computer and brought onto the market that increases the supply, which means it's a bit like what happens when the US government Prints a trillion dollars that increase in supply is a theft through inflation from the value, the purchasing power, all of the money that everybody else has. So if that money enters into circulation, everybody, else's money loses some value in proportion to that because there's a greater supply. So I think the the most up voted question right now is, what do I do if my hardware wallet is lost stolen or damage? Let me see I don't see that right now. because. It has A. I see it now willoughby piggyback on that last question, one more time So another thing that I've heard from a lot of people is a concern that that there may simply not be enough bitcoin to actually use as a functional system, right? Because obviously there are many more people in the world and our Bitcoin, and so there's this idea that you know. While you can't go down you. So there's there's this idea that I might be a concern is that as people continue to lose Bitcoin, it may actually impact the way the system can function, and the simple answer to that is that bitcoin currently is divisible to eight decimal places, and if you break out the math on that and we were to treat every you. Know One. Of those Saito she's which is what the eighth decimal places called as say a dollar actually there's there's enough you could lose many many many when you could lose all but one bitcoin and there would still be enough to use as a functional system but bitcoins visibility is defined software, and so that means is that if for some reason we do. Find ourselves where literally every bitcoin except for one has been lost and we've got it out to eight decimal places and it's still not. You know it's just not enough while there's nothing to say that we can't extend that to sixteen decimal places to thirty two decimal. So whatever number is necessary there is one thing that there is a bit of a wrinkle their because. In order to extend the decimal places, you have to make a backwards incompatible change. The consensus rules probably by introducing a new transaction version number. encodes transactions where the I don't amount of the UT amount field is encoded in more than thirty two bits of data in order to do that. You would need to do a hard fork in order to do a hard fork, you need to get consensus from the vast majority of participants and it would require it is a. Very easy to make in the code a very difficult to make under consensus and an even more difficult change to make if you're trying to preserve. Compatibility in coordinates between all of the parties that will mean to update their software, every library, every piece of hardware, every embedded system that uses bitcoin, every lightning channel that's built on top of it will need to account for these new transaction version numbers. And that is a massive coordination problem which becomes political problem. So it's not as easy as people suggested as although. Another approach to this, which we already see is the lightning network currently uses Milly Satoshi Sattori out three decimal points to that. Now, she quotes a challenge you have to round up to the nearest. But for. Long. Duration Channels not really particularly bad problem. What you can do is you can negotiates to move the balance in order to close it out at the nearest Toshi anyway let's go to the next question since the Fort King has served my role as question moderator. A surplus. ooh. What to do if a hard will wallet is lost stolen or damaged. I think that's a that's a very common question especially among new users of the system. And who wants to explain how hard while work? Well hardware while it's typically are themselves multi Sig. They are the be single key that you sign to send a transaction and believe every commercial hardware wallet. The first thing they make you do is back up your demonic, your your twelve words or twenty four words or whatever inter you like to have. And do something really important with that. And use your hardware wallet not necessarily as your vault in the. Bottom of the bank, but as your spendable thing that you can with that, you use transaction only. And a lot of people actually recommend finally enough that you can use a bank to solve this problem. which is that pneumonic that you have that twelve words you take that you write it or What some people have done, which is actually at Shit into a ten. or or metal or L. Fire or water can't affect it. And then literally by a safety deposit box. In a bank and leave one there or leave multiple in in different retail safety, deposit boxes, and. Should be hardware while device itself break. You have those those those cold-storage backups is one way to go about it. Yeah. So as long as you've kept a copy of your demonic phrase, you have a pass to recovery. Whenever, you get a new wallet of any kind. You should go to a testing process at least that's what I recommend. So you backup your freeze, you send a small amounts of money. Small is relative of course, but some things that will not make you cry if you lose it you send a small amounts of money to that wallet. And then you send it back. From that so that you zero out the balance. Now you're probably GONNA end up spending more on fees than the actual transaction is worth. That's okay. This is a test. Once you've done that you delete the wallet or reset the hardware Wallet Toy Factory Reset or whatever, and then you attend a recovery from them. PNEUMONIC PHRASE. Once you recover from the phrase, we should see in the. In the software part of this wallet is you should see the previous two transactions So recover from in Monaco as not only recovers your keys and funds, it also recovers your transaction history. So you should see the previous two transactions, one coming one outgoing the test. If you do see those now you know the no matter what you can recover from specific mnemonic phrase things get. A bit more complicated. If you make the more complicated if you're not confidence in having a secure location for your mimic as you might have an optional pass freeze now you need to make sure that you can buy competent recover with that as well and that you can back up the optional pass phrase pneumonic phrase in two different places where the not sitting together otherwise is pointless. Lots of hardware wallets come with a pin function, but the pen function isn't necessary for recovery. It simply prevents someone who easily swipes hardware wallet from Your Hotel Room, for example, firm simply turning it on and taking out all the money It prevents it from being tampered with the fairly robust. So if you enter a wrong pin, it just keeps delaying longer and longer and. Longer doubling the delay time every time you fail which is a wonderful lesson in the power of exponential growth because you are very quickly shocked by how long these delays become, and that protects the physical hardware wallet from compromise. But if you have them pneumonic phrase and pass as you need the pin, because that's simply a device protection, not a key protection Let me. With aunt. It's mean an hour and a half since we started this, we're probably going to be able to answer four five more questions. In the meantime I would like to ask that on the chat if you do have the facility to use some of the customer emojis Komo's my channel. Now is the time to call for an EMOJI storm. So, please demonstrates her customer mortgage with an Emoji Storm. If you don't have the costume Oh Jeez, you can use the Youtube emojis and. Identify yourself to the rest of the group someone who is lame. But for those of you have a customer would you try playing with those in the meantime we're going to go to our next question. This is similar. So let's see if we can answer this one. This question comes from Leviathan. I once by thought, it was very, very tasty in the old days before violence became extinct Leviathan is type of sea creature like a kraken. They made very nice. She savita from Leviathan is fantastic delicacy. The fanatics is real privacy possible when using a ledger device considering ledger must surely see your Ip address device data account data through led her live. I like to generalize this question because this is not a question about ledger. If you're using a hardware wallet, there is always a software components and software components can be the manufacturer software wallet components live in this case or in the case of a Treasury will be Tressler Dia. Websites. or it can be a a software wallet of your that Supports Hardware Wallets integration whether that's electron desktop or. Various other systems that do that and Bitcoin, and of course, the same thing applies in other cryptocurrencies like for example, you can use Meta mask with a hardware while it back can or you can use my curto with hard back end. So the bottom line is. Okay, you've got the hard wall then that's protecting your keys but the software, all of the comes with it. The constructs transactions monitors transactions that talks to the hardware wallet. How much of your privacy is that thing leaking? WHO WANTS TO GO? Okay. I actually don't know the answer to this. I'm curious what you have to say. I would say that there are. Two things worth breaking apart here, which is just the difference between privacy and anonymity. anonymity is when people can see what you're doing, but they don't know who you are. and privacy is when people may be able to see what you're doing, but they don't know who is the one doing it. And when it comes to the ledger device contingent upon How you purchase it, they could have the info as to hey, this this person's credit card, and these are all of their transactions and so it's it's very revealing. The thing to note though is if you're getting to the level of privacy or anonymity concerns where you're thinking about your hardware wallet and the Software Painting information to correlate there you then are at the level where you're concerning yourself with how you source crypto to begin with the moment touches an exchange the moment it goes to an honor offramp or touches any sort of bank. and. Then you're really talking about a little of off you station. That's a whole nother world of concern I think the vast majority of people using it and I think that. The crypto currency space itself kind of a disservice when it so strenuously push the suited in many of the space onto. The way that people should perceive it could perceive it because that's sort of a turtles all the way down problem that really comes down to how much of your life do you want to disrupt in order to maintain it And I'm not saying there aren't good solutions, but it comes out being is the wallet really the area where you are most non-private because if you're not even thinking about where you're getting your bitcoin. Than, where you're storing, it is not going to be the place that ends up. Removing your privacy right. So the first thing is that when you bought it on an exchange, the exchange not only tied to your identity through know your customer regulations to that specific. Bitcoin. But then when they Liz druids. They tied it to the address you withdrew to and from then kept tracking it. Now, the way they do this is through a Boston deal which is you know a vampire favorite type of deal and a foster deal is where. They buy a service from a surveillance company but the. Way that they have to buy the services that in order for the surveillance company to send them a score on every address that they want to check for compliance with regulations, they have to send in return to the surveillance company every identifying information that they have on every address that they use, which means the feed, the surreal companies that data the failings companies use the feedback scores to them. Even if they're not trying to score a specific address, they still have to send all of the necessary civilians from permission. So with what happens then is that these surveillance companies sell this information well, pretty much to everybody, and even if they don't sell directly, there's nothing really preventing others firm. Compromising that data buying it secondhand from someone else constructing databases monitoring some of the buyers. Breaking into communication networks and about data leaks. The fair assumption there. The safest option is that that data is in the hands of everyone. Right. So wants collected that data is known to every intelligence agency, every law enforcement, every dictator, every authoritarian, every warlord they get this information and they are able to buy this information either on a direct market or block market. That's your biggest problem for privacy not the wallet to us. Now, if you want to focus on this specific question because you've already sold everything else, you've only bought your Crypto face-to-face anonymously through Bitcoin ATM's wall wearing disguise like Adam down there Then maybe you want to move to this problem, and in that case you can take a number of steps and the the first and most important stuck you take is you run your own node, you run your own bitcoin node because then instead of asking a service, Hey, can you tell me if this address US receives money which of course when you ask that question it identifies that you're interested by your Ip address is interested in this address. And that makes some of your. Instead, what you're doing is you're getting information Ramona every andress onto a local system and only asking that similarly when you construct your transaction broadcasted that if you broadcast through third party, the associated the IP address it came from whereas if you inject it through your own node then it gets propagated through the network and none of the notes can really tell. where it's coming from, it's much harder proposition. So run run your own node and runs wallet software that allows you to connect to your own node to run your hardware wallet, and there's a bunch of those that you can use our time. We must you not run. You're not only must you run your own node but then the next next level of paranoia is to never google search or click on a block explorer link for any transaction involved in any of your addresses because then whoever has your internet logs? We'll obviously know that you were checking address associated with one of your transactions. I was talking to a friend about this was dating a Vegan. And she was like I. Don't know how long this relationship is going to work at a dating this Vegan, you know so much about our relationship is now about as veganism and I'm like, yeah but you're a bitcoin. Life is about money and how you want to use money how ethically you want to make your life about money and he's with you on the the Bitcoin side of it. So maybe you should meet him on the Vegan side of it on A. In concept I just WANNA. Say The veganism is very disgusting topic or empire and I think you're being sensitive enough hair. Jonathan. Bring my. Blood Song Listen I'm a home for which I e Homo Sapiens and. He can stay discussing. Garlic. Gardens. Much more global. When it comes to privacy privacy ends up being a concern of a number of factors but the highest level of it is how much of my life my routines and my ordinary going on or how much literally in terms of minutes day Am I willing to sacrifice or pay in service of trying to achieve this level of hygiene and it really does turn into something where you know the level of effort is you might as well be a Vegan. 'cause it. It could end up controlling your life So pick pick a level of privacy stick to that and Try to evaluate everything consistently because for the vast vast majority of people, it's not GonNa be there ledger wallet that is the the problem when it comes to the level of privacy that they're trying to achieve. And like we've talked about on the show, it's not an all or nothing thing. It's not like binary either private or you're not there's levels of privacy and so you can move up the staircase of privacy by learning. Different, techniques. All right next. Question. yes to crypto. Who you guys don't know, but is a long long time. Participants of this lice strain is asking regarding scaling the having event. Every four years reduces the new supply. Why not also regularly increase block size over time said keeps up with technology. Now you taking these. Recent get on the chat. Well. I. So the the having ventured uses the amount of bitcoin any each. New Block but it has no relationship to the block size but I'm assuming that if you increase the block science, you can then scale the amount of transactions, which is something concerned the really simple answer why not also regularly increase blocksize over time is because there isn't consensus to do. So people kanter agree on how to do as much to do it and went to do it in relation to other Skilling's choices and. Because that debate. Very quickly descended into the politics of who should have the power to make that decision. That created a situation where the forecast by the forecast by. And That gets US sporkes. Yes to Crypto. Do you want for because. That's how you got forks. So Yes. So the bottom line is that technically sure the problem is that this is not technically separate from the politics of it, and this question go boils down to who should make the decision I anticipate that in the long run. Ask other scaling choices are explored whether that's. Layer to solutions like lightning network get developed more, and then Schnorr signatures and other optimizations of the transaction signatures, signature agregation, etc, etc.. We will reach a point where the next logical step would be a modest increase and the underlying block size, which because of all of the other things that have been optimized then gets multiplied to create a much bigger factor than scale. A. Cascade effect right if if you can if you can get ten thousand times, the capacity with lightning networks than the base blockchain and then you double the base blockchain now you can get twenty thousand times more capacity with lightning network. So I do think that might happen. But it's very contentious. All right. Shall we go for another question or do you WanNa keep answering this one of let me let me take this for just one second So the The. Thing about the block size and the thing about this whole sort of political back and forth that happened over at a number of years ago really comes down to what is bitcoin what is it for? What is it supposed to focus on as far as like what is the most important thing if we have to make hard choices in sacrifice things that are not most important, we didn't get to it in the first hour of the show, but there are a number of sort of narratives around bitcoin but two primary ones, and one of those was the idea popular very early on for many of. The early users that the point of Bitcoin was to completely remove middlemen from person to person transactions and to basically take what we were doing with the very early times in in button would, and so she squares where we would meet in person and you know trade basically and to make it so that that could happen for one in the whole world. But the challenge of it is, of course, is that Bitcoin is a decentralized system in decentralized systems are inherently less efficient than centralized systems. It's why it's much easier even today to use something like an exchange versus using something like a Bitcoin for. Certain types of functions like trying to buy bitcoin in the first place that's still a really hard problem, and it's the same problem that we were effectively dealing with way back in the day. So bitcoin as time went on, became much more focused on the long-term sort of reserved like characteristics the store of value proposition rather than the means of exchange proposition and as the world has developed, it's kind of become obvious. We may also get that means of exchange you know through layers on top as have been discussed but that the most important thing is the basically that you can build the the. Medium of exchange use case on top of the store value use case, but you can't really build the store of value use case on top of the medium of exchange use case because they have security implications decentralisation implications simply put the bigger. The blocks get the harder. It is for the network to remain decentralized in the more challenges, the rise from that. So at least in the short term, it seems very unlikely that there will be any sort of meaningful consensus on this, and in fact, this crystallized with as Jonathan said, the fork that then led to bitcoin cash has subsequently forked into several other. Also. Use cases in that is bats. Their entire value proposition is focused on the medium of exchange part of the use case I and hope to get to the store values case from there, but it's not. It doesn't one of those forks and I'm sorry I'm not familiar with the details but don't don't at least some of those have. Increasing blocksize over time or just unlimited blocksize. That's right. Yeah. We haven't followed them closely but broadly speaking, yes they have definitely increased block sizes in various philosophies around what the how that should go forward. Some of them are committed to code but But yeah, that's that's kind of the challenge there is that Bitcoin is has always kind of been this thing where it's like well, it it is. Whatever you think it is. It's also a consensus driven system, which means that it's not whatever you think it is. It's whatever most of the network's thinks it is as far as number participation is concerned and at least right now. The focus very much is on store value, and so the blocks will stay small because it maximizes those characteristics at least for the time being I'm telling you you never really appreciate value until you go to sleep in one, thousand, nine, hundred with your entire retirement account of two thousand dollars combined one or two really nice castles at the time and you wake up and and two, thousand seventeen, and suddenly you can't buy anything with our kind of money you know inflation is really a bitch when you look at it on the scale of a century So let's go the next question here. The next question comes from anonymous is the actual memorable size scary man it's huge walked problems. Could this lead us to a brief explanation before we dive into this question the men pool is the backlog or queue of unconfirmed transactions that are waiting to enter the BITCOIN blockchain. It is not one meme pool there are. On every participant node put them more or less contain the same stuff. It's a decentralized data store sensually and right now the. Size the number of transactions waiting for confirmation is at an all time historic high I think in just passed yesterday the all-time high in two, thousand, seventeen, it's more than nine hundred megabytes. It's more than a in one thousand, nine blocks basically worth of transactions waiting for the next block and what that does is it increases the price at which you get confirmed quickly. So the current I believe average price to get confirmed in the next six blocks is somewhere around three, hundred and fifty. So she's per byte. which is expensive. And is that like the a lot of wallets overestimate the fees in order to just be on the safe side? Is that like? How much of that is driven by wallets behaving that way and how much of it is real and if it's three hundred and fifty at the base price is really three hundred fifty per byte to get confirmed quickly, what are the wallets prompting people to pay and like a lot of people must be doing that because? A dollar terms the value of one of these transactions in like dollar figures somewhere between ten and thirteen dollars per transaction it's. Through the network yeah. The pain ten to thirteen dollars worse. Transaction fees, which is still not bad as an international wire transfer which costs thirty five dollars but. It is pretty shocking Now, it depends on the size of the transaction you're doing just the week ago we had the largest transaction ever recorded on the blockchain one point fifteen. Billion Dollars was sent a eighty eight thousand bitcoin and that went through for transaction fee of three dollars. Or three dollars fifty at the time. So you know if that's what you're sending but if you're trying to do is buy a cup of coffee. which are believed karn. starbucks prices what fifty or sixty dollars How much is a cup of coffee nowadays. Now. I'm just kidding It's probably only three You know paying thirteen dollars per transaction feeds by a cup of coffee the cost three dollars basically, the base blockchain bitcoin is is not suitable for small payments when when the blockchain is as congested as it is now why is congested because we're having a bull run and everybody's excited to get in or get out. and. There's not enough space for everybody to get on this bus so. Yeah, I won't problems could this lead us to mean a lot of new people are coming in is really really crappy wall it's. Exchange Wallets Custodial Wallets Wallich by blockchain dot com formerly known as Blockchain Dot Info, and other wallets that have really really bad fiesta mation. Technologies so they end up overpaying. Even. In a congested as Stephanie was implying three hundred and fifty s while the WHO this telling us the average prices to get into the next block. But. Many while it's overestimate that. And are probably suggesting you know five, six hundred. Socialist per byte as the appropriate to get in. So the best advice I can give you right now is wait. And to tag onto that for anyone who is interested in this topic we actually the next episode of speaking of Bitcoin that we have coming out. I believe it'll be next week since we did alive one this week is explicitly on fees and talks about many of these things in much greater detail than we have time to go into here. But the reality of it is that fees in crypto currency is a very interesting. And Nuance type of system that actually has two modes. It has the mode where blocks aren't full and then it's basically whatever you WanNa to pay, and the miners will take anything that they can get, and then once blocks our full like you have the situation now and it becomes a competitive auction kind of price discovery game which you know on the one hand means that some shenanigans are possible especially possible to front run people They're especially in defy type applications. We've seen this a lot on the therion block chain is that these transactions once they go out there they actually are public even if they're not included in the blockchain yet and then seeing that you can have lots that are set up that take advantage of that and will make a trade right in front of you so that they. Can raise the price a little bit for you and make a little bit of money for them as we see in sort of traditional markets except in traditional markets, typically as like a stock exchange that selling data to a hedge funder something like that. Well, and Crypto, you don't need to be a hedge fund. You can just be a guy who programs about or licenses about. The word hedge means. Yeah, exactly. So So yeah. So like I said if you are interested in this topic, kind of more broadly, I believe that that episode be appearing on the Youtube Channel as well or you can subscribe to speaking of Bitcoin as podcast and that'll be on SOB POD SOB show dot com or lt show dot com depending on where you WANNA go next question I think this is Our final and Andrews. This will be our final question for the day I think we we've run this her about two hours. It's been a lot of fun but we do not rapid off. So final question for the day, and for all of those who did not manage to get one of their questions asked and answered I'm very sorry are questioned meme. Pool is also pretty busy and we we do not charge a fee. We require voting mechanism in order to figure out who we should answer. So that's that's the reason why sorry for that? This is the last question for the day. What is the biggest crypto scam you have fallen four? So let's Hanser this. Let's be honest and vulnerable and and speaking about the actual scams we have fallen for. I. I had the pleasure the honor. The great joy of purchasing my. I think to this day only light coin off of a wonderful exchange called cripsy. And so I thought it was a good idea to take an entire bitcoin. You know this whole this whole silver to gold thing it's an argument but I'm buying it right and I said, let me let me just get just get some light coin and so the only place you could really do it was on currency so I sent them bitcoin into this day. Big Burn. Coin. All right who wants to go next. Stephanie You Wanna I'm still thinking about it. So I was very enthusiastic about many of the early token movements and as far as scams are concerned I, did fall victim to an ACO scam in twenty sixteen or twenty, seventeen I think it was probably two thousand seventeen for a project that I can't even remember the name of it It was basically like a token is gaming platform I was very excited about these concepts and I put in a not small amount of money to it, and then two days later, the project closed and I was like rushing to. Get in because I have been watching it for a while and I was Kinda you know just like so I was rushing to get in I, put it in and then the sale closed and two days later later, project gone website gone completely gone didn't even try many projects out there raise money and then didn't actually deliver on it. This one actually just took my money and then was out the door and I never heard from anything about it again and as far as I can tell nothing ever happened with that project. That's. Unfair, I thought the best game you set money to his butterfly labs. You have at least they gave a partial refund. So. It a long time ago. Someone gave me a paper wallet as a payment for something and it turned out that it was photo shopped and when I went to redeem it, it redeemed for nothing. I was pretty. Mad. Mad. What it was photo shops like, did you like check the public key, but then the private key didn't match or? The private key was different than. Oh. Nice. That's that's so smart. That's a pretty smart scam. Town. All right. I. Know I mentioned earlier. Selling Bitcoin for counterfeit. US dollars. I think about the only time I've ever been scammed. I have made regrettable purchases. And two, thousand, thirteen, I saw coffee. From. Some seller in Colorado who sent me one pound. Of beans and it wasn't even Arabica beans it was robust which is the shit of coffee and I paid five dollars for pound. Sorry five bitcoin five full bitcoin for a pound of coffee at the time I. Think Bitcoin was six. Dollars, each So that five bitcoin was worth about thirty dollars which. Included shipping and handling people and. I also bought some socks. For bitcoin back in two, thousand, thirteen very early. Two, thousand thirteen. So abounded the same level or probably spent maybe two or three bitcoin to buy a pair of socks those are regretted but I haven't actually been scammed. I've never bought into. A cloud mining enterprise or had money stolen from one of my keys or. Bought into I have bought a couple of I guess at the time we'd call them all coins. That have since not gone well, but but they weren't scams they were simply they were good ideas that the the business model simply didn't work out and really small amounts for their. I think we've all been there with like you know, hey, let's see where this goes and sometimes it goes nowhere. I think the biggest scam I participated within my life was I took as much money as I could and put it aside to buy some Bitcoin, and then a month later had to exit my entire position because I had to go to college that semester. And then three months later bitcoin decided to do a forty X. Going to college that semester I think was probably one of scams of my life. Yeah I rent payments in. In July of two, thousand, thirteen where I had to liquidate more than half of my bitcoin in order to pay rent because at this point, I was losing money faster than I ever in my life and I didn't have any income or savings I liquidated half my bitcoin's pay rent and Then over the next couple of months, I spent the rest of my Bitcoin at the time to to send money to my family and and it wasn't. It was like four months later, five months later when it did the big hundred dollar two, thousand dollar jump. And I yeah. I cried. Will you know when we were talking about the burn conversation? I was also thinking of. You know the regrettable purchases that we all might feel that we've made and. You know I think we can make ourselves feel better by thinking that we were contributing to the ecosystem and we were making a contribution to. bitcoin being cryptocurrencies being more useful and something that. People actually use, and that enriches us in the future. I. Think that's a very new way to look at it seventy. Of. Other questions that we're not GONNA have time to get to but I wanNA mention as we wrap that there was one in there that I think has disappeared since that was about basically can blockchain's help with voting and can they help create a stable and secure system for voting in the future? That is one of my favorite topics it is a very fun conversation and it's one that will probably have in about two weeks on the speaking of Bitcoin show. That's going to be the perfect time to talk about elections on the blockchain. As we notice how elections off the blockchain go. Sorry, Jonathan, I was gonNA say I. Think Blockchain's can most certainly help voting, but it's a it's a feature looking for a solution because or problem because I would also say that at least in America voting is feature complete it is designed as it is an intended to be and what you are perceiving as bugs are the design features. So I don't necessarily know blockchain can fix the problem of the philosophy behind whether or not a system has a problem or is feature complete. Well, let's take that compensation up. Before we go. I wanted to. Thank, everybody for joining us today we we ended up with almost four hundred people. Joining our livestream, which is a wonderful turnouts for our Halloween. 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Episode 363 - They're Putting Beds In Theaters?

Ross Patterson Revolution!

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Episode 363 - They're Putting Beds In Theaters?

"It. Gentlemen, who will come to the rock patters? By black rifle coffee dot com. Good james. Do you real good, man? It's monday. It's Monday morning. We take these these Tuesday night shows usually on a Monday morning, you know, strong weekend mother's day. All putin. You'll look smooth feel smooth. Thank you, look smooth to the top. Thank you stray, razors dot com. But it was mother's day. And we we've been you were working. So I did what I could take the kids for the weekend. And I said, hey, Jabes by love you live your best life. For those of you who are watching the video showed home subscribe on YouTube Roz Patterson revolution. We're building new studio. Yes. That requires jesse's personal Tich, Jerry. You're really great at that stuff. Yeah. Like, your your craftsman? Yeah. I probably have kitchen table. I probably could I probably should. I yeah. So I'm basically the manager contra general contractor. So I'm working with one other guy. He's doing all the build out. And I'm going to do the finishes. I saw a picture of lows dropping off with seems like I don't know enough would. For a habitat for humanity. Type of thing when I was just like we building house. Yeah. Look like, we're building a barn. But. It requires a lot for these. Because a lot of people don't see at home, probably. And then like, dude, how big are these sets how intricate are they this fucking thing is heavy man. Yeah. Probably I would say what probably one hundred eighty pounds. Yeah. Two hundred pounds. So it takes a lot of requires a lot of would. Yeah. And this is like our good hopefully forever studio. So you have to do. Soundproof were not forever Jeeves. Until New York comes brother. Of course. Like sound proofing and actually make it the real deal. A lot of people ask at home. Like what what the plans are overall? Like what's going to happen with the show because everybody three days a week drives into work with this? And everything else. The real honest to God answer is like, you know, hopefully it stern Robinson. Dane, we're able to take this and just keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. Yeah. We won't know Stearns retiring in a couple of years. So let's get it out of there. Yeah. Let's get it out layer and keep it free and keep it podcast. I'll would that was going to be my next question. Yeah. I'd just like to be Rogan. Really? It'd be great stern Robin have to answer to people. Yeah. They do and Rogan's model is still free to people. You don't have to pay for it. But he's making ninety million a year. Right. But that's his he built that. I've so it's read that would that would be mazing. To make it. So that like we leave the free model and be like, hey, guys, everyone. That's listen to us Goethe, Sirius XM. So which I don't think I mean is serious going to still be a thing. Tough call. I've I've said before privately to people, and I'll tell them I can tell you on air. Like there's been a couple offers for Sirius XM the the pace shit. Yeah. You have to live in New York. And just like, dude good. Luck minds will be a college student on that for me the point of doing this and the point podcast and all of the things that I love about. It are a we don't have to answer to anybody. We say and do what we want therefore you get real nece. And it's free for people know, if we could keep that and build that that would be my dream, it'd be awesome. And hopefully that happens. So we'll see we'll see what happens. But either way we're expanding. Thank you to everybody. Out there who's been listening. The one point six million of you and the studios keep getting bigger and bigger we went from one to another one to higher ends who IRA, you know, the buildings keep getting bigger and all this stuff. So I'm AMT about it. I'm look I'm amped about this this week to Jabes wet who you know. This is a sportsman sportsman at heart, right? Probably played professionally. Maybe triangle, not not. I mean, I consider that a sport. Obviously. It's not right. But the triangle to me is just because of the beauty and the wonderment of the instrument. I could never played professional sports. Therefore, I love professional sports watching them all the time where I'm just like man because you're always hoping to see something that you you you couldn't do in real life. That's why watch. Yeah. So need an explanation 'cause you're you're watching stint. Well, it's the same way with top chef for you. Right. That's true. Do you think you could ever be a Michelin chef for any of those things like in my heart? I do same. So my heart could score ten points. I watched people cook and act- in actuality. I can't score ten points NBA game. So therefore when I watched football, and baseball and basketball and stuff, I think because I played all those sports as a kid, you realize like, hey, there's there's a massive jump between that and being a professional athlete. Like, it's always joke about like Tony Romo right playing golf. He was a great NFL cornerback well decent enough quarterback. Right. And now he's playing he plays like professional golf tournaments where he just kind of sneaks in or they let him in because he's a celebrity, and it's like, you know, people are amps because shoots seventy six and it's like, bro, you'll never be tiger or anywhere near. Professional thing like in his heart. He probably feels. Yes, they all do all of those guys do, and it's like it's like every actor wants to be musician. It's like, oh, man. That's not gonna that's not going to be right? I'm going to be a thing for you. That's kind of the sports world for me. And then it just keeps getting reinforced like last night with that shot Lennon. We're watching Toronto ripped out the hearts of Philadelphia on a shot at the buzzer that bounced around four times, that's amazing. That's something you dream of your entire life in a game seven hitting the game winning shot. It's never happened before in the NBA at the buzzer. So when it went down, you're like, man, that's read that wish that could be me. You know? Okay. It's kind of the magic of it. The other cool thing about doing a sports show on drinking broS is we get tickets for all the stuff when we get to go and we do show once a week. And then I go to the Eastern Conference finals in hockey tomorrow night, precare allina, and I get sick. Boy. That's fun. I mean, it's about that. Yeah. So little he seems excited excited. Yep. And that's going to be great. Are you excited about you guys going? Yeah. Get an evening. The hesitation there James. I'm excited for you guys to go cook. What are you asking what? What do you mean? What am I am? I excited to have you guys gone. Oh, what about about going little one getting a hockey game up 'cause person pretty crazy? And he he's wonderful game in real life. Did it happen ready? What are you talking about? They already played. What are you talking about? It's over. He doesn't quite get it. But he is really excited about it which I haven't seen yet for like a game. We're always like, hey, you're gonna go. And he's like cool. It doesn't even really know. What that means? You know what? I mean. He's like, okay. I guess I'll go wonderful. Remember any of this? I always think that with thinking with my kids. I think at five you start remembering things so. Yeah. Sue. Yeah. We'll see I'm gonna we got sweet take is make it. So those the good memories happen. And you try to not let some traumatic thing. Overshadow, jamie. With what's going to happen? That's going to be traumatic you'll but that's the point of being a parent. You just try and keep the memories keep the life. Good enough. And nothing tragic happens to surely trauma, like beating the shit out of another parent at Disneyland or something that or like, yeah, you protect them from fucking weirdos. You like make sure they're good. There's no trauma like overshadows any good memories. They. I think is the point of parenting again, I do not know I've I've never taken a class, and I don't claim to be the best at it. So never have. Right. I wanna talk about what we watched last night. I don't think I've ever left that hard. Then after we finished because we watched there was a couple things out this weekend. And we wanted to watch that now one of them was the would Tang clan. Doc by of Mike's and men, which is great title. Totally great title, great title of mikes, and men after. So it's a four part special share. And we watch part one last night our piece I'm a big blue Tang clan fan. You literally your first words out of your mouth as soon as the credits came up where God, I am definitely not about that life new. I said, I'm I'm super white that documentary just holds Amir. Up to yourself as white people. Sometimes we like to think that like yet. I like looting like I'm with it. Right. I listened to them like I have. No, I know what their life was like right in the projects, I understand sentences. They say because I'm cool. And then you watch something like that. And you go, oh, I missed. Paragraphs because the words and the sentences and every I did not know a lot of the words in the short. So because I'm white as shit and not that cool. And so it really for anyone who's a white Wu Tang fan. I think that it was it was a cold hard look in the mirror of you have no fucking idea. What it's like to like don't even think for one second that, you know, what Tang about the reason why I laughed so hard lesson after after that statement was I was thinking the exact same thing to you beat me to it. But like half a second where I was just like oh shit. It's very much about what I was talking about at the top of the show about being a professional athlete where your heart. You think you can in your heart? If your Tang fan or a rap fan as as a white person you you'd be like. Yeah. And they'd be like they'd be like, no, dude. No, my friend. No, actually. No. You tell me if you would have made it out of the ghetto of this. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Or if you understand anything that we're talking about getting your feet wet. Yeah. You would you would think I would right. Just because of work ethic. You're like a man if I was poor and black and grew up in the ghetto where they did because they had they went inside, and they crazy footage, by the way. It's an awesome, doc crazy footage of them. Like on Christmas is kids like inside the projects and shit. You're like fuck and drone footage of these projects that are still there and like the ponds that they're talking about behind. They really is. Great. When I watched it. I was like oh fuck me on. No, probably I kid not never have made it. Absolutely not. They all went to jail or prison for crack. Yeah. But like a five to eight years. Yeah. So friends before in the project's kind of emceeing together, and then they all get get into selling drugs. I don't know how hard they were into doing them. They all get into selling drugs. Didn't seem like didn't seem like them actually doing. Sewing selling and all went to jail for like every single one of them or crack, we go. We we share about five eight years each of them came back together afterwards and was just like he deflecting get our live see other, dude. How do we the drone footage helps me understand what that was like Rozier? All right. So you're really stuck kind of on a couple of square blocks in this area that the government puts you whatever and showing the other part of it was what was that eighties early? Nineties showing these kids either being bussed in. Staten island. So they were like black kids that we're trying to go to these like, mostly white schools and rain earlier footage than I've seen of people standing at the line and telling these black people to go home like, where's the crack? Like. You know, that's that's the problem with bussing eighties, though. I know these people don't are still alive that's yelled at them like that. So it's it's another thing when I say cold hard look in the mirror of like. Wasn't that long ago? It wasn't. That's the problem with bussing to look I told you I went for one year and went to school that bus, right, right? Both both races were miserable. White and black where it was just like man, you're pushing all these kids together that you know, diversity can't just happen overnight. And it's certainly not going to happen on a long damn bus ride, especially when people fucking one of them's come in from an extreme drastic. And then you're shipping. People any weren't used to that extreme drastic coming into your school. It's a recipe for disaster both sides, in my opinion. But yeah, I have to watch that whole shit. I was like I could never live that life. Got out of there. I I really do believe it's on your work ethic like everything in life. Right. And so when I saw like there was always one guy, and they kept going back to the one guy of like, all right? We rallied around him. And he did it. No work ethic has a lot to do with it. But the rest of it is just like Jesus Christ. I don't know how you. How you get out of that environment? And I definitely knew inside my heart after seeing that I was like, Nope. Could never live the life that they rap about ever don't understand it. And also like love the music. It's real it's real it's real. Yeah. The whole the whole thing that. That they talk about and continue to talk about. I mean, I don't think bitching about it and wallowing in it is the answer. But like we also can't say like, hey, guys. It's over can we get over this whole racism thing because it's not, you know. And and even if it is getting better now like it was not that long ago. No, no, again are still alive were standing at the bus. And like, you know what I mean? Because you see these you see these footage of the sixties, and it's grainy and black and white and segregation, you know, just think that it was so long ago guys. Right. You know, what I mean or you see the KKK in their fuck. And you're like, please, these that's nobody right? That's like a little there in some field. They don't affect you. Really? They're just ridiculous. But then you see stuff like that not that long ago, and you go, okay. Pretty well super white pretty wild to see. But their story was cool nine of them. I like when they kept saying the record label, they really on the record labels wouldn't sign nine people at once. No shit that understood you magic Shanna wrangled nine crazy mother fuckers like that for just at one show killing guys. Wrong as far as like people getting into drugs. Who's the person? That's always late who's the person that like, you know, an absolutely nuts. That was impressive as well. And the other part about it is you wonder like, you know, there's always a group that big or any group really there's a couple of them that usually make it out like really big and the others are of just there. And like method man method man and those guys just like, hey, man. What are you feeling like imagine going from there to like Hollywood meetings where you're starring in your own movies? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's so wild to and then Rizza to was like. You know, we'll do risi's been like he scores movies shit. Yeah. He's done a lot, man. He worked on Tarantino's movies series and all that shit. He's done a lot. And he's mazing. But you wonder you're like man, how do you just separate that, you know, separate what just going into a Hollywood meeting after living the life? You lived of selling cracking looking at these people because he's I look at these people when I go into these meetings, and I'm like, man, you're all fucking ridiculous humans who have no idea about the world. Right. I'm not even from that world. Right. And I think that's probably the issue a lot of times. Right. Where you like you want to take my experience, you wanna take all the cool shit that I do, and I know and you wanna make in your shit, right? Usual. I know I know there there's a bio-pic coming to about like the invention of trap music. And it was supposed to be TI. And you pass like I'm good like and they ended up going. I think with young Jesus or somebody like that. And. It's Brian Grazer. If memory serves me correctly, and it was just like TI kind of started that movement, and when they couldn't get TI they went to somebody else. And it was just like man, they're just looking to tell this story. Oh, it doesn't matter who really started at. They wanna tell the story. They wanted to look cool. They wanna shoot it on red. They wanna get awesome footed. And so this was going to be a bio pic, by the way. Okay. Curious about that. Super curious about it. There's a bunch of bio picks out there that I wonder what stage of development there in why at this point. The Ronda Rousey was a big one. They bought that a couple years ago. It was book. And their booking twenty fifteen. It was it was pitched as eight mile. Okay. I guess she had a really hard up bringing see the dock of it. Maybe look a really good HBO style. Doc will get me over a bio pic, any talk, sir massive now, man, you pay ten million for that doc like that's look the budget on the new guy was, you know, thirteen million right pink ten million for doc for stuff like the Queen doc, the Queen buy-up bio-pic where you're just like he takes you out of it to just start thinking about the. Dollars. But fun saying for me. I start to think about other things lighting actor. He's doing a good job. Like what it was really like like I would love to see that that seeing that they did like in real the real footage from stuff short. I find myself just wanting to see the doctor Doxa but done really, well, maybe we'll get your dream some day. I don't know how that's going to shake out for them for what for all these 'bio-pics that are done pipeline because you have something that does really really well like what was it? Eight hundred million or something crazy worldwide for Baheen rhapsody, and then look Elton, John doc, everybody not bio pic at no. But now this does well forget it. You're gonna see a million of these things, HOGAN, doc, doc, but bio pictures got picked up by net flicks. Chris how is playing HOGAN? Okay. I'd like to be savage and that if I. It could be something with. Like, the Queen dock where you're just going to be picking him apart, the whole time acting wise, you really get into it with Hemsworth as HOGAN, I don't think. So the whole time you're going to be critiquing. If you're in the I don't know. Macho macho man, yeah. Who's playing him be great? If it was me. They're not ready yet. I think the writing the script right now. Okay. I know that packaged. It up Bradley Cooper's producing. Who's the director of the hangover Todd Phillips directing Hemsworth is in there. So all those which, but I'd love to place that tried triple stack for savage whose. 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I think this will work what they're trying to do is to get people to stop watching Netflix, and then treat this a home experience, and it looks like to go sped with the adjustable bases that go up and they're connected together. So you could be with your loved one and watch a movie together. I don't know if you've been to I think you have you've been with me where the the recliners and those theaters and you have the wagers theater NFC. It. That's what I said, right? Yeah. What's the stop you from just buying a ghost bed with adjustable base and wash? Fucking need that what I can press a remote? Go up. Awesome. I can buy that goes. But why do I need this? And when you look at it. I mean, it it is identical pretty much. I mean, they've got them these look like couches kind of pain couches, but it's the same Buchan thing. It's two splits that go up, and you're like, why would I do this? And it's like duty if you're building a whole theater to rival your bedroom. That that's just a it's so out of touch. It's just so missing the point. Of the stay at home culture. That is now where it's like you see all these memes. Online of like just loving plans to be cancelled hating to go out the loving if like, yeah. Loving if your plans get canceled, and you get to stay home, and binge the whole series that is like culture. Now, it's cool to be like I watched all of friends and didn't do anything this weekend. And you're like bundled up. The other thing is I don't want to see people lying in beds next to me around me. That you want to be in your bed. The bed is not the point you fucking idiot. Saying being home is the point not paying the money is the point houses the point. Yeah. Why would I leave my bed to go to another bed with a bunch of other strain? Embeds I like the recliner model. I like the serving dinner I like why recliner model like I like that. And I will go to the movies to do that. You can never got out of there under one hundred dollars though. No. But like again the movies have to be fucking good enough for you to spend that. What it is. And I don't again, I don't mind doing that. But I would not do it for a bed. I rang up. I rang up at tab of one forty one forty at one of those reclining movie theaters. It was Django unchained. Okay. I think that. Maybe opening nights or the day after whatever it was. I think it came out on Christmas or something. But either way like you go in there, and it's like three and a half hours when you're able to press a button right next unit waitress. She's comes out with endless beers. And like forget who with a buddy of mine, and it was just like we rang up a yeah. And it was like the button. The button, right. No spring it. Just put it on this table, right next. Yeah. And the menu there was pretty extensive. So it was just like, yeah. Let's keep bringing this out. And I knew the run time going in. So I was looking my wash. And I was like I got another hour. I can have at least two more beers. Awesome. Amazing. Amaz the bed thing though. That's a no go for me. No, that's again missing the whole entire point to the other thing that they were asking was whether or not people are gonna be fucking on these things, you know, that's going to happen. It's unavoidable. I guess yes. It is that's going to happen. I can tell you this right now again missing the point. I think people will stay home to do that. I'm not I mean, I don't novelty people will go out once, but I don't think this business model succeeds. Super creepy listing heard. Yeah. Possibly could be stupid. I'm not sure the day. You know, the day is young by like the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And again, it just seems like some older idiot. You get pitched a lot of dumb, business ideas. All the time. Right. I know. I do you do. Yeah. And I know why by the way, I do I do. Yeah. Here's wise like people ask me all the time. The look like the podcast books or whatever. Right. And be like, dude. I wanna do you do, you know? And I'm like, well, we've been doing this actually for a long time. Right. Podcasting for almost four and a half years. Now this point like beginning, we got in on kind of early side of this shows a couple years old. But the other one's four and a half. I knew what I was doing all that other shit. But I get it all the time because typically this age people are either bored with their job, they hate it. And or they took a job they never wanted in the first place their stock, and they're like, man. Switch and it's always me run this idea by I got this thing. And I'm like, wow. No don't do. It. Definitely do not quit your job for that. I don't think people run things by me because they know I I'm always telling people not to follow their dream. So I'm not the person that people like, hey, what do you think of this? Because I will always be like, well, if you wanted to do that, you should have done it, a long time now have a house, and you have a family, and you have other people that depend on you. So the following your dreams ship has sailed, and I don't want you to kill yourself or anything, but hope is gone and hope is law when I look at the bed thing, right? I always wondered to myself who like how people get these businesses going who gave them the money for this. I'm hoping it's not their own because they're going to lose all of it on this bed movie theater thing. And what do you mean their own the people that put in whoever like, if you have rich investors who can lose money, and whatever it's like, yes, you'll always feel bad about a failed business should right? But there's some things that are never inevitable. Something's you can't see coming. And all that shit. This is definitely one. You should've saw coming. I don't think his work build trying to build a business based on novelty. So like if that's the only way that I can think of going there, and I would do at one time. So I don't know if that. Everyone going one time a successful business makes. But you know, whatever, I don't think anything that's like. Any novelty thing like any restaurant? That's kind of like, hey, you do the business fun different. Go up you order, and then you have to do a little dance before you can get your food. And it's like so fun. I would never do that. You know, what I mean that doesn't ice gives me? I'm not going to go. And I don't know how many people would unless it was like inside Disneyland. So things like that. I don't think you're not gonna be successful. No, no. I don't think. So. Like, an Uber. It's not making your life easier. No, just some fucking weird shit. That's really just going to make your life harder. And couple away speaking Uber that IPO didn't do of them. Which was surprising to me like it did initially. So the initial investors that got in congratulations. The rest of gen pop though. Itsel and fell pretty hard. Right. You can buy that on the way down. I think I think that will it will go back up. But you know, it's gonna think it'll it'll take awhile. Well, they'll have to acquire. They're going to acquire all these other ones lift Bubba, blah. Well, I don't know lifts public is. Well, so. Yeah. Later on down the road. Probably. But we'll see maybe start putting beds in there. You know, there you if you can put a an eel on musk car driverless car with the bed around just to nice. This new Tesla's tests like that essentially I felt like it was in a giant bed riding and then thing. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. I'm gonna miss it. Because I'm driving rally tomorrow night. The last time I drove to Raleigh with that thing. Oh, you're gonna miss having tribe. Actually. Yeah. You're gonna you're gonna miss the tesla because that's a one one time. Well, here's the thing. It's a straight shots all the way to Raleigh. So it was the last time. I drove around was that. Right. And it was in that thing. Yeah. Didn't touch the wheel. Once one of those roads the two lane road. You know, what I'm talking about where I could be on a train and could be on thing. It's one of those boring rights to where you're just like. Just takes longer because it is so boring straight. It was built for tesla ride. Yeah. Not a lot of turns not a lot of hoopla. You gave me one of those things. Just give me a musk core right now for driving go. That'd be real to go James being real good to go. Bam. Bam. Now. Actually some. Where'd you get that a lot of people are asking where you got that little sweater. Got it at. What is the back to Malibu high roller Spillers bell? Alabel? Yeah. Buffalo exchange in Ventura. Gotcha. Gotcha. Because people were Aaron thrift store. That's it. That's what it was. All right, cool. Because a lot of people are asking did you make that? And I was like I don't I don't actually know you make a lot of stuff you make a lot of stuff. You're a handy. Little lady, Andy gal, I'm crafty. Yeah. She's crafty you make crafts and stuff all the time. Yeah. Crafty, you have Idei y. Yeah. You've paint shit over right now show, the audience your arm. I don't wanna get anybody staining stuff for anybody's watching the live show. I don't on YouTube. I don't want anybody to watch this. And be like, oh my God. Jesse looks like she was beaten burned by raw. Registered learn bergh's like an iron burn staining staining about one hundred eighty four hundred eighty yeah. All different colors and textures. So I would number you know, what number four. I'm like I'm in. I'm under twenty I'm under twenty okay? I making video of it. You'll see the process feel about what do you like doing it? I do I really liked doing. It's why went to do it on mothers day is like it is like you seem to it about now. Now painting staining, cutting stuff, whatever like I like doing it. And how do I feel about it? I just you know, I hope it looks good because I'm a Finnish joy at right? I enjoy it. So I'm doing the finishes. So that would be just the look of everything he's doing the build and structure, and how what people are going to see is what I'm visually. So it's kind of like everything will fall on me. Whether I did it or not mine is for writing like. I like it when I'm done and own enjoy the process you enjoy the process, it's different mindless. So writing is not a mindless thing you have to be you know, and your mind is working the whole time. Whereas with what I do or carpentry or like staining painting. It's a mindless thing you can then out you can think about other things you can listen to a podcast. You can it's a relaxing thing. I think for me like everybody we were function the other night, right? Someone accounts. Congratulations on your on the successive, everything on what what was I what did I do? We're like with book, you know, the new books out on pre sale, whatever. And I'm like, oh, yeah. That's right. I still think about what needs to be done the audiobook all that other stuff like to enjoy it right now is like no on the day. It comes out. I will. Yeah. But now, I'm just like the. We just get this. There can we just push this over and get this thing out the door. Everybody reads it and loves it, then I'm aunt. But that process, I just don't enjoy the process, right? But I say that about editing and all of this where you like do you like it make you happy as you know? I don't think that you are job needs to make you happy the actual job of it. I think the things that you get from it. Make you happy, right? Yeah. You don't I don't want you to hate your life while you're doing it. But as with writing, you don't say, you're not jumping for joy love and every second of it. But you like what it affords you? Right. And so so it's like that's what I that's what I mean. You're like just doesn't seem like you're when you're having fun when you're editing like, it's it's my job your mind is working your thinking about a million things. They're trying to make things work, you know. And then when you're done is when you're happy. You see the finished product people liking it. Then you're like, oh, cool when you get off work, and you have time more time than you would if you're at an office, or do you ever think about like is there a thing for you personally that that would make you endlessly happy of like from beginning to end. Yes. Like all day at work all day when I'm home. Yeah. I mean, obviously a traveling. I don't like it. You would like it at this stage. I don't think I would like where travels, and then here's what I always wonder when I watch shows like that theory and those guys right? And this is all serious or like a morning show. Like, I think like Hoda and whatever like going somewhere getting your makeup done getting your topics NTV Levada and like being done at like twelve eleven or twelve but you're in a four thirty five. It's brutal. So with like, we'll take the cooking show, for example. I write here's what I always think. When I see those guys is how are you not full all the time. And then just shitting your brains out the next day eating like guy feary by how is he able to do that day in would go to like nine restaurants and just be like a so Mima would be more like boarding. So you travel to these places there for like a week, and you do dinner. There's so you do a dinner interview with someone right? So I'm like finding someone interesting. There we go out to dinner, which I would do anyways. I love to do. Anyway, filming is long enough, right? For me where it's like wine. You have to be there for a couple of hours. Talking to someone like I think that model and what he did the way that he did. It was just pathological. Right. Like he was workaholic about it. He just like would not stay home at ver had a daughter like would just keep going keep going. So I like his model but in like a season, you know, what I mean worth of filming. And then you're done for a long time. Then you go out for the season. But it is it's just going to cool places and going to dinner he doesn't eat all day long. He eats the meals he was going to Jimmy ways. Yeah. And then he just has a film crew. And he has someone cool sitting there with him. And either he uses it or he doesn't you know what I mean? And then the film crew goes out, they film, everything get the awesome shots getting get him walking down this cobblestone street, and then he goes to dinner, and then if he doesn't feel like filming the neck. Day. He doesn't he sends them out to do interviews on the. Yeah. So we're Dane I would love to take your model still giving shouts out to board AIn forever. Yeah. Forever. Illegitimate father. Yeah. Nobody's patch. The torch it to him right on that show. What are they doing with just kill it parts known? Oh, yeah. It's done. It was it was him the production company. They would try to replace with zero point zero which like if I had a million dollars. I would just say, hey, guys. I'm just going to take you over and do my thing. Now, you're going to be day. Now ages us all people is whole shit everything. Yeah. I like them. Because I don't like I don't like the fakeness of the travel shows. Now, they're like, hey, guys. So check out where I like I like that. He was just like he would get off the plane. But like I mean on camera the fuck. That was a shitty flight. Where can I get a drink? Like, that's what I want. Right. I want to be able to be real about it. If he got sick. He says it on the show couldn't film that day. I was hung over. And I was puking shitting brains out eight street food right being totally real about. What it's like. Yeah. That's would that be. When you ask me what what what could it possibly be that from beginning? From the time. I wake up till the time. I go to bed would make me happy workwise making money. But again, I don't I don't know. 'cause I'd be away from my family for that amount of time. So again, you're always training one shit for another the most that we can fuck ask for right is to get through our work day and try and have a good life outside of work. To balance your life. Whatever that is. Yeah. I was trying to think about that as well. Where it's just like, hey, man. There's some long job. And I was like, I don't know maybe playing baseball. But I wasn't good enough to be a professional, but I enjoy so much be gone so much. Yeah. Yeah. Look your base full baseball season one hundred sixty two games. It's just like. Just like eighty one of those are on the road. And I think the constant search to be happy. Every second of the day is fucking retarded. Your stupid if that's your main goal in life to just be happy every second. It's just dumb clean claim said something like that. I forget what it was. But it was someone on his show or something that was like. Yeah, man. But you know, it just wasn't fun. You know? You know, it like I would do it. But it's just not fun. Someone said that to him, and he was just like the fucking stupidest thing I've ever heard, right. When you're talking about work when you're talking about a project like, I don't know it just wasn't fun. No schiff. You're an idiot. If you think work is going to be fun all the time. This topic to me is always endlessly fascinating. Because I think that's what everybody's searching for in life is is stuff like this where you're just like, man. What is it? What is that thing? What is the whole shit of it? And there is never going to be right answer ever. Right. Answer is to be okay with mediocrity. And if anything else more than that happens be happy for a second. But don't be happy for too long because it will not last. Right. Life's a roller coaster. It's never good for that long. And it's never bad for that long. James is taking 'em. Inspirational your survey shins for motivational speeches and just lie down sessions. Life and they're not called motivational speaking. No, it's just called realistic. What would I call it a realistic? Wake of violent wake up wake up call. I think that should be doing race. Here's what it would be called a violent wakeup call to embrace your mediocrity. Grace, your Muendane embrace the mundane. It's always can ask for really is really is unless you Britney Spears. Things enough money to do whatever you want your dad has all your money, and you can't do whatever you want. Join the free Brittany movement. Now, you know that right? I think she's starting to realize like she's starting to come out a little bit. What are these going to happen with her killing yourself often yourself? I don't know what's going to happen with her. I don't know actually at all what her real mental state is again, if you're bipolar like shit can really go bad. If you don't take your medication. She wanted a core. Yes, she she is now telling the judge her dad right is committed hurts a mental health facility month ago against your will also forced her to take drugs. I don't know what the real thing with this is well, she must not be. On the right medication. Then if she's who knows man, I don't know what the with the whole with the bipolar and problem with these. Bigger disorders is like you. You know, you get delusional in that you think like you don't you're you feel good. So you're like, I don't need the medication normal now. 'cause you want so bad to be right? And your brain is like when it's leveled out it really thinks like your good. And then you stop taking them. And then you go down, and it's it is like this big. So you do need someone there to be like you have to take them. If you do not, this is what will happen. Right. With anything. Right schizophrenia. Whatever you go. All I'm good. I don't need it anymore depression. You're like, I feel happy. I don't need the meds anymore. Oh, you do. And with some people you need your daddy. It's crazy dad. I mean a lot of money there. We've got some boyfriend that I don't know what the deal is. So we'll see we've got the mom against it. He seems the boyfriend seems normal. Seems like just some dumb guy is just willing to fuck and chill out with right? You just don't want it to be someone. That's like a. Yes. Ma another. Yes. Man to her like, oh, yeah. You don't if you don't want to take them take them, right? The problem with her before where people just like, okay? And there was no one to be like, no, I wanna see a crazy Brittany again. A really do. Oh, yeah. Back on the streets shaking heads, right? Eating meats. You know? Just sure her reality show is fascinating. And she had one really remember. It was it with Kevin k- fed. It was great really remember them, which is kind of bone on cameras. Eating weird shit doing drugs. I think that was the real her. What do you think smoking to come out of Louisiana, and you're like all right, cool. Yeah. When her Justin Timberlake where together that was a fucking dream team. Remember the powerhouse that they were. Yeah. While think about now because he's with Bill Stor. You know Beal sir was with Chris Chris Evans, I mean, captain America. Yeah. He did. Okay. Tangled? What we did. We we. Did you go back to all those? Mickey Mouse kids get Ryan Gosling, Christina Agwu aware. Timber layers timber. But that was a real real hand job fest. That thing Gavin who's mill stead was he a scab in. The little boy Gavin the boy. Gavin. Mill stead story. Oh, the Gavin in the Stacey. Stacey. Club hopper. St Cloud, glavin hill. Yeah. Glavin hill really make. The what we're like what I even say if I was like the to those people that didn't make it out of Mickey Mouse, go. I know there were. Yeah. There were a couple times are making worth of depression. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Peel street. Boring ass, be Oester. Snooze e snooze. Smithtown USA news E Bill Bill, sir all teeth when you get that skinny your teeth kind of start protruding from your mouth. Skeletal. Warring skeletal is a lot of skeletal people out there. Yeah. Out. You have to be. For camera. Yeah. I know now that I know to there's no angle I was watching my boy till Timothy Olifants on a show the other day. And I was like man, it was an interview with him and Walt goggles, and they're both like super dainty and thin. That's why they always look cool. You're just like, man. That's what that is. That's what that is. It is there is a reason. Yeah. They told her to lose twenty pounds because they don't want to deal with your camera angle. That's all they don't want to give you a complex. We just want. We just wanted to look. Good. You know, maybe that's why they canceled. It busy Philip show. Did they cancel it? And then like the day after she got nominated. Yeah. For an EMMY or something, but you watch it watch a couple real hard, really, really hard. It was nominated for like. I think like an EMMY right afterwards or something crazy. Yeah. And what do you think the reason is because of the camera angle? It's it is unforgivable. It is very forgiving camera angle there for e. So I thought she looked good. No, she's a she's a. Taller girl. Okay. So tell toughen goes every tough angles. I was surprised she never do your girl. And you have a talk show. You should never do to on a couch sitting pretty boy, that's a hard one knitting pretty for that long. It's not ever comfortable. Do you know what I mean? Like you need need a desk. So you can really just have the conversation. You don't have to worry about covering sitting. What do I do with my hands? My. So maybe that was it. Maybe she did a straight across couch stayed tough one. That's a tough one. I know she was going for a comfortable look. But nobody's comfortable everyone's uncomfortable. I mean, the only one that was comfortable with Kim crashing cause. He's fucking professional matter. How or where she sit. She's she's the best. She's a fucking knows exactly angle. She's the best. She's proud to. Yeah. She even knows how to put her arms behind. So that they look skinny. Yeah. She's straight on and she can like put them like this group. She's she's one of the best in the biz one of the best in the biz. We want to talk about her actually your way. Like what she's doing like could in the world freeing all these prisoners ship on her own Dino quietly seventeen actually very because of Kim Kardashian on her own dime quietly to like. No deal about it. They're posting. And it's kind of coming out now. But she's been doing it since she met with Trump and freed the first lady, and these are all just so they're all insane drug sentences. So people that were caught with drugs and then got life sentences because of a drug possession. She's getting all these people out. Yeah nuts. Right. Yeah. I'm sure they're filming it in some way, doing something with it. Maybe. But I'm not to say, it's the only time that I'm not going to shoot on shit on her talk shit about her because that's what you that's what you want from people that have fuckin- money where you just go. You shouldn't be allowed to have much fuckin- money without doing at least one thing for either your community people, you know. Other people around you. I don't know doing something. Great with it. Otherwise. So like she's checked off my list of like, all right? So and you know, because you can talk as much shit as you want. Not do anything alyssum Alano. Right. But let's face. It Kim kardashian's actually doing shit in freeing people. She is and again, not making a big deal about it and not really outspoken politically. And you don't really know where she lies on on either side, which is kind of great. She's just doing things still and stuff. I don't know. I want the last last year I want to talk about here's his cockfights. I've always wanted to go to cockfight style. Have have you been one as you go to Mexico and all your travels throughout the didn't go to cockfight, really? Because that's that's the thing. That's a big thing. It is. But it's a very dirty grounds CD. Yeah. I like it student do that. No. You didn't go. Not once you go bullfighter. Oh, yeah. That's worse than a cockfight. Right. Maybe. But it's more out in the open, and they sell tickets and legal. I wanted. I wanted to college. College. It was running the bowl. So it was like in. I just ran from the bowl inside this ring. Jumped over fences. Yeah. So there's fighting each other. There was a huge bus and corns county as cockfights track fights in Texas. One hundred fifty gamblers were they're just ready for the cockfights, and they had no clue place got rated, and you know. That's shit went down. There was a bunch of drugs and money sees guns. People were just enjoying a cockfight if it's been going on that long. It's been going on. That's what bullfighting is shapes. Outwards again, I didn't go to a bowl fight and went to running the bowl. Oh, so you actually go to the they weren't fighting. Got you even go to bullfight with a matador. Yes. That too. They don't kill them. They kill the Bill. That's the whole thing. Okay. So it wasn't like the ancient. It wasn't. It wasn't like that. What was it a dance between a man and a bull? Yeah. You just kind of like Ryan. Up. And then he goes back into his never stab the ball ones. No, come on pretty archaic. But yeah, that's what bullfighting is. It's all over the world. So again, I don't they wasn't. It was in Mexico. So it wasn't both fighting. And the stabbing is more in Spain nuts everywhere. No. Yeah. No. So they just kind of like rile him up. Everyone's in there. So everyone from the crowd like so what happened was I didn't have enough money for tickets for the stands. But they told you you could go in for free. If you're in the ring, so it's a bunch of just like poor people really got in the ring of this thing in the ring, there's footage, my friend Deena sent it to me where it's like, it's an it's like old old footage because it's old broadcast camera and the bull is just chasing us around. And you can kind of. See us in the corner. Scaling this wall like to like two girls like it was so high, but for some reason when a bowl chasing, you obviously you're like super human the horn sharper were there dole. I mean, I think they were doled out a little bit. They were like super shar couldn't torn torn through rectum or anything like that. No. But it could definitely have broken your ribs. And. Rally around a little bit okra. Yeah. And then we also did the thing the teeter totter thing like the bull. You have to like push to guys Jackie was four four. And it has like whatever you get you get knocked off of that thing now. Okay. Good. All right. We got away from it. Look. Bullfight work fights. Yeah. Really want to go to underground cockfight though. Have I just I wanna see. Because you're gonna eat chicken afterwards. So what's the what's the FEC indifference? You know, they're Roosters. Right. I think they're not chicken. So they're full on Roosters, which you don't usually eat, by the way, you're eating the rooster. You're eating the hen. There's some recipes that are like call for like a rooster. But they're very tough. They're the male. Okay. And they have to stay alive for a lot longer than the hen because they're fertilizing all these eggs. There's like a couple Cox that the hen house. So you're not you're not actually eating them. But two Roosters just go and they are violent, motherfuckers. I heard and that's raise wanna sit. So don't feel for the Roosters. It's just like it's almost like hearing a crazy cat fight. It's just like. Jarring Sarai need a cockfight on my resume, James. I want to I would do it in Mexico. I don't think they get rated down. There. Don't do it in Texas or anywhere in the states. Lower lower part of Texas has become Mexico. So sure do it in the rate of. Yeah. Right there on the on the border, the whole city can kinda just maybe slide across the wall slowly taking over. I think the land was theirs anyways to begin with really big surprise on this one. We'll get to the revolutionary figure of the day Jacobs. Someone's going onto doors day. Pass at ninety seven. Yes. Yes. You adore. Stefon what was she from boy? I know I've heard the name from my mom. Oh boy. This is why want to have this conversation right now, we all the time thinking about like what we do for a living in like were important, we've made movies and you're like, oh, man. It's going to last forever. And it was gonna remember this. No, no, one is doors day was as big as you got. I mean, a lot of people consider her an icon. Right. But then today like if you don't if you can't name anything, right? Imagine kids right now. No fucking idea who stay was. She was big as you possibly. She was the Julia Roberts of probably the forties fifties and sixties that era. I would say mostly the fifties. Probably. Okay. And now nobody knows what anything it's just like. Hey. Pillow talk. What shoes in pillow talk? I don't know pillow talk like your mom, watches, all these movies. Yeah. I'm sure my mom knows. I mean, of course, my mom knows her. But yeah. Yeah. I'll just like all that stuff. Stay you said. Is it Doris? So when I talk about people like this like if you look back, and you're like, man, no one will remember, I don't think that right now. We're saying of like, we think we're doing this stuff. And we think we're, you know. You don't know in my mind. Eight people are listening tops, really one point. I know. But like, you know, it's amazing to me that even anybody fucking listens to me too. Calamity Jane, by the way, that I know just we'll put. She was in the man who knew too much Hitchcock, she'd been in a million fuck and things, and it's like again, I thought because you. This is the guys on. And this is what I'm talking about is the God's honest truth. What I thought when I started off making movies, right? And that's you moved to Los Angeles and do the whole thing and everything you think you're going to make these important films, and people are gonna remember you forever for what you've done, right? That's what I thought. It's what most of my friends thought what you continuously. Thank your life. Man. I'm gonna be important forever stuff as you get older, you realize no, you're not. And I look back on it. And I'm like man the best shot at maybe being remembered for something out of all of this stuff is probably books. Yeah. Because films people they'll get remade. There's a million. They don't like this thing. I don't know. They don't show any of her movies on Netflix. Therefore in today's world. You don't know that she was the fucking Julia Roberts of back in the fifty her time. That's the problem with getting too old though. So she should have died. Right. No, James, how old is she ninety seven. Yeah. You wanted to die young shit. You talk about this. When you you know, Dick Van Dyke still kind of doing stuff is. But like every anybody remember the greatness of Dick Van Dyke. I mean, I will. But I've just seen you know. You know, suck CPAP. And so what do you have to do you have to be in a iconic? Movie that goes past the generation so Doris day. If you name me one, that's like my kids saw it. My kids are going to see it. I saw it and my mom saw. Right. So you have to have something that crosses generations in order to be remembered, and again that could be a book. Could be a movie that's made out of a book that dick. Know that they remake whatever. Yeah. I don't know what the answer is in the other things you die younger you die younger. Okay. Because when you get into the nineties, and they show the picture on fucking today show a life. Well lived. A lot of times. It's like. Oh, they did that that's cool more and more as time goes by I I realized how fucking dumb I was younger like man, this is going to change the world. People remember forever, and they won't. Again books. Maybe I think things that I'm writing on. And here's why I was thinking about this. So they get Rian surgeons they get made into stuff later. Also like the books that I'm writing. Now are so aggressive comedic late that I feel society as it keeps getting down over the years with all this. Ripping all these people off of their platforms, Facebook and YouTube and all this other stuff like I don't know that you're going to be able to write this type of shit and ten years. Therefore, I think everyone's going to go back to it. And be like, dude. Can you believe this guy fucking did this years ago? Yeah. And I think that's the only shot, but like how naive. I was to think doing movies starting at twenty to thirty or whatever it was just like, oh man is going to be so important. I'm going to be so important forever realize now doors day was as big as you could get and then now forty years later fifty years later, it's just like, oh, what was she animation show net flicks? It's Doris, right. My mom if she's listening is like Jing creamy like her Fe. And I know I've only heard the name from her doors stay she's like Doris day. She's a door stages modern day doors day to show. You know, your mom compares you to stay right? Looks was me. Is that good? She was classic Hollywood class. Just a natural beauty. Beauty. Sure. Door and Doris day. I'll remember that name. Sure wrong was about all of the you know, I forgot about the other day was Robin Williams and that made me sad to. Well. I mean, yeah. But if he's the greatest I was the greatest the greatest, so many, you watch we watch all of these documentaries all the time people are, you know, man. So and so is the best or the, and it's just like you Robin Williams is the best is the best. And now like dude I forgot so somebody brought him up shit. Can't we died? How many years ago it was now at this point? I don't even remember the last movie, I remember his TV show that was shitty with Sarah, Michelle deller. But like I still forget the greatness of Robin Williams because it's not jammed in my face on Netflix every day. Yeah. Whereas like fucking John Mullany. That guy's face every day on that floor. Not Robin Williams. I realize I'm not that important. I'm not right. Well, I'm glad that you're actually learning that overtime. Really? Should we go into overtime overtime overtime, Joe? And over overtime. Over time. Go into overtime. Overtime. Though into overtime. But I don't think you should go into anything thinking that you're going to be the greatest remembered for it. Well that is why do good ship. Don't worry about what the fuck. But that's why I do things me personally. Right to to be the greatest and be remembered. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. The I don't want to do just something average and mediocre. Just just to do it. I try to do like take Matt's book. For example. The reason why this was so hard in like, I know we can keep talking about it here on social media was it is nothing like anyone has ever read before and the military world, and it truly has a chance to be like a groundbreaking. Piece of work. That's. Could shift and entire culture where you're just like. Oh fuck. All right. This is so totally different than everything. I've read and I'm trying to I was trying to go back in my mind. Trying to think about other things in life that have done that for me. I remember reading hope they serve beer now. First time, and I was like oh my God. No one's ever written. Like this. No one's ever talked like this. I felt that way about swingers the movie swingers where I was just like holy shit. I didn't feel like I'd ever seen a movie where somebody talks like me or thought like me or and then I saw swingers, and I was like, oh, my think that those connected with you because they were just like swingers he was just making the movie that he wanted to make with his friends talking the way that he talked and telling his experience, I don't think that Fabra was like I'm going to change the world and people are gonna remember me forever. I think having even that in your mind will take away the authenticity of what you're doing. So if you just do it. To be the coolest to do. What you say? It's talk. How you talk. You know, do a do the military. You couldn't have written that book any other way. Right. It's like you could have really wanted to write it in the way of like how you talk. How Matt talks how you guys talk to each other. You guys talk about the military in different ways than all these other books like made it like you're a hero or your fucking broken man man that needs fucking help you were doing it in a different way. But a guy that loves to you know. And has feelings about it. Fluctuates between different things and isn't completely broken in isn't a fucking hero. And isn't just a person that did some did all these crazy things Fabra though on the swingers tip. I know he got in a fight with the director. And they don't talk like they is Doug Lyman for whatever reason. Everybody's work with Doug Lyman doesn't talk to him afterwards. Matt did. Brown did again identity. Because Doug Lyman, directed swingers. Yes. I'm just saying. John. Trevor is one of the biggest directors there is right now. But he I heard gotten a fight because he wanted it to be great and he had his own. He wanted to be great because he wanted. Well, he wanted it to be the way he wanted. He wanted it to be the vision that he wanted it to be never an any interviewer. Anything was like, this is going to be the greatest thing ever this. I'm gonna be remembered forever ever. I don't know. I wonder it wanted to make the movie that he wanted to make any wanted it to look on screen how it wasn't his head. And he thought it was cool. He thought the voice of Vince Vaughn and his voice, and he thought all of these would like connect with somebody. And they did right. Yeah. Yeah. You know, what I would like to do by the way, speaking of Fabbro dream shows. Mine would be dinner for five that what remember that on? Or Sundance network. Oh, yeah. That was one of my favorite shows that was five interesting cool actors sitting around Ravin about life, and like they were all drinking you could smoke inside back then. So like, they would let loose after a few drinks. And you're like here we go. It's all over time. Here we go. Wow. Now that I would I would like to redo if I could hit him up and be like, hey, I'll do let me do this with you. Right. I know a bunch of these weird cool people now who've just kind of come up now. And you're like, oh that person that person that person that person it'd be cool to hear their weird stories where you're just like what? Yeah. And you'd be good with. I think connecting the right people to have doing finding certain people that will work well together as far as that dinner evening. Just find anyone you think is interesting. It has to be people that can get nag get along either challenge. Each other. Want to debate, you know, are smart in their own ways. Whatever. And what did he do you have a topic? Some are just talked about what? Yeah, they kinda just talked about whatever for like two hours. Right. The meals would be two hours, and they would cut it down to like twenty twenty two minute show. And kinda depends on what happens, and it was it was kind of a. Collection of cool stories about this this or did you work with so and so I work for so. And so here's what happened and it was super fucking. And then there would go off on their story. The only way you could do that. Now, I think it's I think that YouTube and your own people, I think people would let their guard down enough and be like are equal. Remember, remember, we did a show with Robert Davi? Yeah. It's Howen deli that was one of our faves. Yeah. But that was the thing they kept bringing over right? Like, that's the dream. They kept bringing food over drinks. They kept bringing bottles, and like, you know, we've recording the whole thing we didn't have it on video. But like that would have been an awesome show finding some weird little place like that that will let you set up and do a dinner interview people that was his suggestion had come into this talion deli. And like, it's it's a weird thing that and that's the four Dane model. Right. It's a weird thing that when you're eating food, and you kind of are using the food. As the main and you're drinking because you were that guy. They opened up wine inside that store. Remember, we had you drink copious. You're in like a setting. That's very intimate. You start talking about that. You're not going to be guarded. You know what I mean? You can't be you can't sit there and drink wine and eat, and like not say anything, right, or like, all the it all goes out the window that would be a fun when bring back, but yeah, I've as look it's time is has gone on your like a man, I will not be that important like none of this. Yeah. So let it go. Do the shows that you wanna do books that you want to write? No. Really that fucking important. Yeah. It's just going to be like, all right, cool, and the movies, they keep re-showing over and over again, like superior movies and shit like that where you're just like man like they still keep showing triple X with VIN diesel, and you're like man VIN diesel if he died right now people would give a fuck more than door, stay dying younger, he's dying. Right. He did something should look. She died at ninety seven VIN diesel as eight years old right now. So do you know what I'm saying? I know you're right. You're right. You're right. It's been well. I don't know what made me go off on that tangent. But thought you were going to be the greatest and you're going to be remembered forever. And you're not I think with all of this. And then again, somebody pops doors day, and you're like, man. Yeah. Your mom you. I'll turn the thing around your mom used to send pictures and be like, dude, you're like say. I am. And now, you don't even know who she is not going to hit your mom and be like, hey. Listen to this episode. You're not gonna believe this should daughter doesn't know doors day for chrissakes, right? D overtime going into overtime. Over time is over now Jacobs. No, you can't. Overtime is over. No, it's it's definitely in overtime. So we end the show it's over. Now. We're to end it. Now, we're gonna we're gonna call today. Here. Weird today. We just talked about whatever pretty much. Jesse wise Maneka James, I'm Ross Patterson is the revolution. Subscribe on YouTube. Everybody. Oh, good night.

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138: Five-Dollar Geodes and Our Neverending Awkward Phase

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138: Five-Dollar Geodes and Our Neverending Awkward Phase

"Okay let's try it. Let's do what we can it says RTC recalling yeah all right. How do we start this? Well uh well should we do the the original taken away Christine well well if you're here on audio. You don't know what's going on. If you are here on video you are as confused probably upset as we are and if you close out tab we do not blame you so we this is only about one hundred forty episodes late but we are deciding to try going on youtube with our with our podcast to be fair. This was not our idea. Okay a lot of people have suggested this in our personal lives and otherwise and people people who help work with us so we're like you know what we'll just. Give it a shot to make everyone happy and a Lotta people prefer watching slash listening to their podcast via YouTube. That's the youths by the way you want to cater to the youth we cheer and I love the youths and so we're doing our best for those listening. You cannot see this shoddy a UH makeshift setup we currently have we've been saying all day that we feel like we are just starting a whole new podcast because when we started and that's why we drink episode one jarringly similar to what we were doing now. We've got a camera facing us. It's I promise promise at some point we will probably master it looking a little more professional is the same but we're doing our best here and our best also includes but a really nice camera on the Internet I googled what do bloggers use like not the youth adults caring offs on ask Jeeves and it came back with this camera on it was great and I have a tripod. We're good to go turns out. I lost a little machine for the tripod and so I found a roll of duct tape. It's also very synonymous to our first facebook live oh right because we had to balance our camera on a loaf of bread bread and fortunately I ate the last S. pizza toast this morning so all we had was we got nothing listen. It seems to bode well for us that you appreciate the authenticity of our clumsiness we'll see they might be like that's not what I meant for those who are watching and our privy to the youtube world please give us some pointers. Please orly-nice one. We're just points however works. Give us a few points. We need them. We need as many points as we can get. Thank you cool thing said. We're GONNA pretend like this is a normal episode. Manager says people want to watch this. You're gonNA find out quick. He's wrong we're going to see I think they have that thing on youtube where it's like average watching time. It's GonNa be like three three and a half minutes right and then and I was also telling Christine like now I I used to come here looking pretty gross often and now it's like oh I have to explain. Why look certain ways? Do you understand that I have islander on that doesn't happen in a normal where I'm wearing a shirt with geospace on addresses captain America. It's fun but I also for the people watching me. I have a massive dent went in my head right now because I stabbed myself with my car keys the other day so really trying to win over the audio people no over to you. Don't even know catering to anymore just the use. It's also for the video people. We're going to try to not edit this. Is this accurate so you're going to get all the fun stuff including every time Christina's to get up to make make the dog leave which is happening actually happening. Currently I don't they just don't want to edit video and audio or even at a both so so if fewer listening to audio currently and you want all of the quote great things that happened behind the scenes just go watch the youtube video the exact same thing also everyone can now see what all of looks like hello. She's a little our first guest. I all your star. Yes you so sweet okay honey. I'm going to kick you out to go. Find Your Daddy which is a little wow. We a little Chihuahua Nail. That was the first behind the scenes footage. I thought it happened a lot not as not as fast at all for me. Put an Armadillo doorstop in front of the doors so hopefully it won't happen again. We're going to figure it out it altogether. It just like the entire course of this career. Who isn't this fun? It's GonNa Journey for us. It will stay a journey for us because we keep trying to. We'll never figure try new things and we're always batted at a first okay so that being said. Do you have anything anything we do. Have some announcements okay the the first one is that we have some. I have some new additions to Mizzou at my home. Oh yes blazes brother moved in with his dog teagan and a lot of people thought I got a new dog. I wish she's really really cute. She's precious storable and she doesn't bark. I've she doesn't but but I I for kind here. I know it's not going to last a bad influence but yes so she moved in Jesse moved in and I'm really excited and we're GONNA have a lot of fun in our large zoo. There's now three dogs and a cat cat and how many humans Oh God five four four two five yeah. I'm just estimating just like I mean six when ms here and seven when he was here Oh true guys like nineteen kids encounter. I should start our own my own Youtube Channel Nine hundred dogs in camera which is a better version by the way I did come here today and I was welcomed by a parade of dogs and it was a lot. It felt exactly like what I've been expecting lately. I was like I'm going to go to the kitchen and I just had like twelve legs. Just a run after me was great. That's a good math. I also wanted to tell you a lot of people have been asking about like the weasels at my grandma's I wanted to add my I brother uploaded a video of us in my grandma's haunted house and we did like a little ghost hunt there so that's on Youtube on our beach sandy channel and people went looking for the weasels. You can hear for them but you can't see them but they're they're. It's called a haunting in Bavaria and Oh we have new Patriot on holy crap. Guess video talk about that sure so we decided to be really ambitious in a one week span with this video and many other things trying to. I guess we're having a midlife crisis prices. What's happening? You realize that it's been two and a half years and it's been great but we don't WANNA get bored. We don't want you guys do get bored. So where thank you deserve more. We're trying our best here so we are revamp re hauling revamping patriotic and it's already gone really well so far we have like a bunch new rewards including so we only have a five dollar tear now to make it easier so five five dollars across the board if you donate you get access to our close friends list on instagram would really excited about. We're GONNA START ADDING USER names today. Two are close friends friendless so you can see kinda behind the scenes stuff where posting videos like our spirit box session in New Orleans is up there a bunch of other video content that we're trying to to include and we realize that we already film a lot of stuff on our phones and then kind of make a shared album for ourselves but nobody else gets to enjoy it so why not not throw that your way so. We're trying to really get engaged on patriots. There were a lot of people on there who are supporting us and we were like we don't give you guys enough. We we not intentionally ended up with doing doing a lot of empty promises and I think when we thought Oh we'll do this we'll do that. We didn't realize we were over promising and then things just Kinda got bananas and realized it was like I fell to the wayside feel guilty about that so we're trying to do our best to become better people yeah if you want to sign up for that it's Patriot dot com slash a TWA Mudavadi podcast. I think that's probably I should know it is okay good so if you want to do that and we're also working on some stuff that's. TVD We always we say we're working on March stuff. We're actually like it's I wish we could talk to you about what's going on behind the scenes of merch. It seems like it's such an easy thing. Apparently it's not we've learned that Jigsaw even just for Patriot and we're working on like low Mertz stuff. I don't want to again over promise soon but we're working on that merged things things and I just quickly want to say thank you. Everyone who wrote reviews like we were trying to break ten thousand reviews on items for a long time and then last week I kind of made like a desperate plea. After all the gun talk talk and although negative reviews we got and you guys came out in full force we got like hundreds of reviews in a couple of days time and we went way over ten thousand reviews and I'm so thankful so thank you guys been a personal thing on Christine's bucket list for a long crazy person. I refresh itunes constantly so thank you that was really nice to see made me very happy. Also it's nice in just personal level to be sitting so close to you I know in case you're wondering this is not oh. There's a lot of things on my face. No try again. I don't think you want my sweaty hand on you. We usually Christine sits across from me on the other side of the room like all the way across the room visit probably the closest. We've sat in a longtime do next to each other all my life. All the only time we were closer recording was when we were in my childhood bedroom and we only have zoom. We were laying down our faces. Were very close. Yes that was quite an intimate. It was quite if teen Christine could look into the future be like what is happening here. Our faces were very close in your childhood bed. Oh your mom was downstairs. They felt like high school and Ego Videotaping Back College. We have fun. We have fun. We have fun. I'm I'm sorry I have one more thing that I thought was funny on our. Oh if you're on Patriot to you get to join the I know we are big secret but we have an eight T. W. W. Patriot group which is really fun and people are really engaged on there and like we're I'm on there and it's a lot of fun so I saw somebody named Bradley posted in there and said just finished episode one three seven and I live in round Doc Texas. Oh cool. I wanted to say that the Harry Man Festival reference is not a bigfoot festival is actually just a celebration of hairy men legitimate contests about who is the hairiest man in town and it's wild all in its own state knows someone who could compete Matt who you know fingers crossed the someday you know by one of my best friends back at home her dad growing up literally had like a sweater for care and during the summer he would make us like sheer him it. I think he could compete yeah. It sounds like maybe he was a very hairy man okay well. That's what my connection to that so yeah well there. You go in fact the day game over indeed okay also yeah. I have no updates except tomorrow. We are going to be in Salt Lake tomorrow. God Elo still unfinished our nights yet but I know what I'm doing and I'm so excited about my story so at least there's that I don't know what I'm doing when do we can you see that that that's what's happening. Fun is not knowing what's going to come out on my mouth 'cause. I don't know what's going to come out great. It's a journey for us. All our business dangerous like you guys need insurance. I was just like your way out of your mouth and it's called errors and omissions. It's not like we make errors ever no not even a little bit what salt chalk pseudo over that scientists might all right. I don't have any updates. I think that's all I had. I'm just really there's a lot going on and I'm really excited about it so we're gonna a see how this youtube goes. Hopefully it goes all right yeah. I'm just GONNA pretend like the commission's do what we did with the when we started the podcast like oh just our moms are going to watch it. Just just Linda third or parents remember that when we first started the podcast everyone was like all the grownups in our lives. We're like I can't see the video I can only hear here. At now. One hundred forty episodes later account of I was GonNa call me like he finally figured it out just two and a half years later I fixed it was it was a bug in the system listen. If my fourteen year old sister sister marches this I will be pleased like I've accomplished something in my life so good. Let's hope you guys listen to the show so you probably know how important we believe of self care is and while we do our best to be mindful of our health. There's always something new to avoid that we aren't aware of and one of those things is blue light from screens and devices that can cause I strain so I mean I'm on the computer pretty much twenty four seven it feels like at least and at a certain point you start to realize like you get headaches. I always notice my eyes. Start are to feel tired and even if you WANNA break in and watch them net flicks. 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Doesn't that sound like a really interesting ride. I hope this is the first episode and they're like wow. This is. Someone's first. There's Youtube episode. Oh God what is going on hi. We're in that's why we drink welcome to our podcast on TV. It's how do we explain. There's milkshakes and ghost lemons involved. There were milkshakes one point there was wine at one point in this to be milkshake facts. The remember that lasted eight episodes go back to the very early ones when we were as awkward as this video thing hope and there she sorry and you'll see what bulk facts were. It didn't work out. It's funny you can always tell who's new to the show because they say I have a fanatic fact for you and it's like Oh bets I ran into into episodes. You'll realize that that's a no go kaput all right so this is my live show from Wisconsin Ooh and I actually we just had our facebook live episode that we did this weekend last weekend. Yes feud few days ago and someone actually mentioned the story. I forgot that I'd covered it yeah. They like requested it yeah. They were like Oh. You should do this story and I was like Oh. I already have notes for that so I'm going to be that we're going to Salt Lake and clearly aren't prepared fully. We decided we would use some old notes that everyone has since forgotten about unless you're from Wisconsin yeah well. Was it madison listener Milwaukee. Here's the thing I can't tell you that I don't know Oh okay. I thought you meant you can't tell me for like oh no. I can't tell you because I didn't well I also you didn't know which one it was i. I didn't know which one wants to pick the random Wisconsin show could be it could be a mix and match also the shows. Were really small their true true if you have her. I'm sorry but one of those Wisconsin shows the shore. You flashed everyone right okay well. I thought that was GONNA be contained in the comedy club. Now what goes on Youtube stews on Youtube took apparently after the first Madison Show Oh God oh God and tell the story. It wasn't necessarily that you moon everyone's like you sunny. Everyone much worse Yeah Evoke Texan me the next morning and was like hey. I don't even like ten minutes before we left for the next day show and was like I'm so sorry. I don't really know how to tell you. This is really awkward and I was like what happened. She's GonNa quit I accidentally fired or I don't know and she was like so. You're wearing those leggings yesterday and you kind of had a camel toe and everyone could see it and i. I didn't know how to tell you and you guys just Kinda did the whole thing and nobody said anything and it was like she goes. I just wanted to let you know I like didn't want to tell you but in case you wanted to wear those leggings things again and again. Can you imagine being harassed an odd. I mean this is what happens. When Eva isn't around this would probably be a thousand times better? God imagine having to go tell my boss that they have a camel toe in front of four hundred people and so then the next day of course I'm like so fucking awkward that instead of being like okay just wear jeans and be normal. Guess what I did to half of you who came to the show yesterday you saw my sunnyside is like like you're so ashamed. You can't keep it in God you just have to keep talking about it and that's why it keeps happening here and lex emily to bring it up really a lot and yeah so here we are so so anyway. This is not the story of Christine's Campbell Tokes just got that would be quite a horror story though so here's a different one. This is a Krypton which apparently everyone there seemed to to already know so I did a good job in picking on part of Wisconsin good this is in the town of Rheinland. Okay Yeah Yeah Okay See. Doesn't this sound confident already. This is the story of the Hodak. ooh So this I remember being one of my favor Cryptos I've done I remember being wildly ridiculous so let's find out together excited. I was also sick during the show so I think I was in state so I'm not even gonna I mean between maybe that's why those liking also. The duct tape is falling. Do you guys Oh look at that. Change up here for for those who listening to audio the camera pointed at us was slowly just falling outing and so Christine had to readjust but I'm sure that will have to happen again okay the whole Dag of Rheinland Hodak is spelled H. O. D. G. in case you're interested and apparently it is known as quote the terror of the Pine Forest poorest of Northern Wisconsin Ooh so the story's main character which is something I literally wrote in these notes is a land surveyor named Eugene Shepherd Sheppard. Okay okay so far. I'm doing good protagonist so Eugene was born on March twenty second eighteen fifty four so he's an aries that's great and and he was born in Old Fort Howard which is now known as Green Bay and I'm sure everyone freaked out and we're also wearing a cheese ties Salako. Oh that was a good day. You're right. I was wearing a cheese bowtie and end and understand that it had to do sports so that was questionable. Now I just saw m's a packer fan like what's the packer I just wanted to. I just want my cheese Bowtie two his family moved to New London and he left school in sixth grade to work on his father's farm in his dad died when he was twelve so he ended up being hired on as a farmhand in other towns okay so by the time he was he was out of school. He was just working on farms at sixteen he became came a timber apprentice in the North Woods and he learned to be a timber cruiser which apparently is another phrase for land looker which is another phrase for for checking out land got it so he would apparently I wrote it down because I knew I'd forget if I ever went back to these notes. Thank you passed him so land looker they calculate the value of how much lumber is actually in an area based on how many trees were there so then go literally look at the land count all the trees and they say uh-huh you could get this much lumber out of it or this much timber out of it and that this much money you would make okay. That sounds like a cool job to job so in eighteen eighty two rheinlander oh so the town is not rheinland apparently surrender. I'm stupid. Kids start. I must have delayed are at some point editing this. This was the dumbest thing we've ever decide to to make video content and not say was you mean is currently the dumbest thing we've are ever doing. Utopia never do anything stupid ever again yeah. Let's hope so in eighteen eighty two rheinlander was looking for timber and lumber workers and Eugene moved there permanently so he moved to Rheinlander in eighteen ninety three he was working in the woods outside of Rylander and he comes across his first Ho Dag so in the near North newspaper reports and there are other stories that also reported on this. This is how the dog is described because I guess this made the papers. Why wasn't this is how the dog was described? It looks like it's quite a long description so bear with me but the more detail the better maybe okay maybe according to several articles the Hodak looks like and has a large head of a frog could start concert the grinning face of giant elephant a thick short legs a dragon's body the back of a dinosaur and a long tail with spears at the end. I'm not done before you make a comment. spikes all the way down its entire length of its body with a fistful of needle sharp pointed spears at the end of his tail fangs that would rival a sabertooth tiger and could rip out the belly of the biggest bear. Apparently it has horns that are growing from its temples with large fangs and green is that's nice pretty short black green hair. I don't know what makes it and its back is covered with spikes. It has tusks noodle sharp claws and it smells apparently like quote buzzard meat meet and skunk perfume favorite apparently it's known to breathe fire and smoke it eats water snakes oxen mud turtles and mainly only white bulldogs what that's not very nice. You know. We need a whiteboard so I can just sketch this. Wait a minute if we're talking visuals. That isn't genius idea gain we what are the what are the youtuber say put it in the comments. Oh yeah leave your comment below and then we'll put a cool little aero and then also humiliated subscribe. I am twenty seven. Okay okay like what you see. Okay which you don't finish that Senate until finish don't like what you see. Please just leave. Don't leave a comment because sticks and stones except the opposite of accept our bones are constantly being shattered excelled. You always hurt me turned us worse than any sort of mystical gem night so if you're not saying nice things just don't talk to us okay so everything he's described so fire reminds me of when Michael Scott is in that he's trying to describe like like the bottom of a plot to push with the face of an immigrant or something it sounds kind of a little Michael Scott Okay okay unlike apparently he's known to be quote a terrible brute with the strength of an ox the veracity of a bear and the cunning of Fox. Oh no no it was also rumoured that the hog was the resurrection of a Dead Oxen in the lumber industry which is what was an ox working in was he'll land looker and he was resurrected. That is the weirder part yeah. Maybe I misunderstood. He was called the fiercest strangest most terrifying terrifying monster ever to set this earth to let the Pearl it is going on here. It's very tough. In the chart sensationalized yellow journalism yellowed there it is there it is the others have described as reclusive woodland creature and misunderstood by many which is what I call Christine some interesting. I call you the first part Oh just a reclusive woodland the monster that eats bears or whatever cutting of Fox thank you sure skunk and the buzzard me thank you. I was hoping that was next. Put that on my tinder profile they say my tombstone door. I've already planned out your to anyway just say Christine. Did it hoops oops. I knew I shouldn't have done that. Okay so basically he's a seven foot long lizard like beast covered in spikes at the end of the day. I tried to just make it easy for everyone got a big weird lizard and maybe has an elephant face AH grinning ear so anyway that is Eugene apparently stumbled upon and to tell the tale so when Eugene gene and his workers came across this tag. They tried everything to capture it. I don't know why you don't try everything to get away. Get Away but apparently they tried to capture it. So when it fought back they ended up retaliating again this time bringing hunting dogs and guns they not just guns like rifles but the also brought squirt guns of poison water which I don't know how they found that first of all and the squirt gun so fast to tour exist back then. I don't know how it must have. Maybe I don't know super soaker. I don't think the super soaker they might just like the tiny little pistol ones just like like a like a clown gun all about that I would guess yeah. I imagine that's where the squirt gun came from like a photo gun. I also yeah I also like that. It's poisoned. He's in watertown like full of poison. It's like specifically poisoned walk. It's just alluded poison. Oh my so none of actually got the Hodak to stay away so they kept fighting thing and they ended up resorting to dynamite because the diluted poison wasn't enough and so they blew it up is blew up a picture. Uh of the remains of the Ho- Dag was actually sent to the media and released to the public L. My and three years later in eighteen ninety six eugene came across the Hodak I again in a totally different one so they thought they blew up the only one in existence it ended up being one of many. There's more to speak of MHM Eugene found one sleeping in a cave so keep finding these things specifically as nobody else seeing that she will flo liberty thirty so eugene rallies the other men together to help him drag it into a large pit to they can capture it. Let him take his his nap. Listen maybe sleeps as deep as me. He bigger probably get this so to do so to bring to drag him into the pit. They tied a sponge soaked in chloroform to a long pole and then fed it through the cave to get to him so he it'd be like pressed right up against his little luper has little nose and he'd breathe it in and he would just kind of fall asleep more unconscious. Wait okay. Oh Do you question why. Why would I ask a question? Let's hear it though I mean I've a lot but but where are they getting all of these that's one they got poisoned water. They got squirt guns in the eighteen ninety s if got chloroform like long Poles full of CCR sponge polls with chloroform quite elaborate I mean I guess we have a camera came rotate duct tape to a tripod so that was this was just their version potentially a loaf of bread somewhere involved so I mean I guess which judge but at this time the town rheinlander was trying to bring in more people and keep the town alive and Eugene decided I'm sorry so the town one to bring more people so and so they ended up to create tourism they created the loop. I don't know how to pronounce this Juanita or Omni one either. Let me look at it one Nita Oneida okay. Oh neither thank you we didn't have the audience screaming our faces like they usually do which we appreciate by the way we appreciate. She you screaming at us on stage with our anxiety. So the town created the Oneida county fair to attract track tourism and only months this happened only months after Eugene actually captured the Ho- doug which he did with the the sponge thing sure sure sure so he decided to rent a tent at the fair and he was like Oh here's the thing chloroform and dragged into a pit. Let me showcase it to the town and it ended up being the most popular attraction at the fair that you're so it went so well that Eugene ended up quitting his job and went around the country showcasing the Hodi at all the fares he could find one of those fears was even though Wisconsin constant state fair in Madison and everyone. I'm assuming I story Madison and okay we forbid bring out slowly where we are. That's good after being in an exhibit all over the county fair circuit. He ended up Eugene started selling tickets out of his own home so even it wasn't fair season. He was like oh well. You can still still give me money and I'll show you this thing. People people who put like roller coasters in their backyard and they're like you pay a quarter to ride my roller coaster and I would do it is the problem with that you would do it and that's why you're tombstone will say oops. I knew I shouldn't have done that. Youtube was a bad idea so for a dime apparently and Abdeen back then so I'm sure it was more money than steel for a dime. people could see the bag which he kept in his back. Shed doing this alone with and the money that he had at the time so a diamond that time he still made five hundred dollars of that time per weekend one weekend approximately millie five thousand people were coming per weekend. Find me a Hoe Dag. I remember what happened. During the show. I was like elucidating because I had a fever and I kept thinking or saying Ho Daddy Daddy and I thought it was some weird prank that you're pulling on me. You were hill you like a dog and I just started laughing laughing like what and I was like a Ho Daddy. Is that really really what they call is that did you also say. I need to get myself a Ho Dag here and you said Daddy or something. It was something like that that sounds that's why it kind of triggered Dan Memory Yes for fifteen thousand dollars a week. You could have yourself a little daddy hoedown so the Hodak got so popular that I mean he was this guy was making so much money showing them this big lizard elephant thing and he got so popular that scientists from the Smithsonian actually said that they were gonNA come see him because they were like Oh. We don't know what's going on here so when this happened it was serious enough. That Eugene admitted that the monster was hoax. He's like the Smithsonian's GonNa find us. I'm I'm in big trouble so he made it all up. So the first time Eugene came across the Hodak the dynamite slash water pistol experience poisoned water. Yes the charred remains that ended up getting released in the newspapers were fake. Oh but the second time the story will the story was also fake but the the monster her that was on display at fairs apparently was actually just a combination of wood and oxides for the body with real horns from other animals and closet he had made from bent rods rods and at the fair and then his shed the that same thing made of wooden oxides this big thing that he had created to look like it was connected acted to wires in a very dark space and he would pay his sons to go behind the shed when people were looking at it to pull the wires and make it growl and make it look it was moving moving interesting that he always described it as a lizard and then it sounds like everything he used to build it makes it look nowhere near up till Leeann yeah. There's no scales involved all during would I guess if the tend to start enough. I wonder how he made the Grin Spooky I dunno just ruined on with a sharpie maybe or or like some bars of soap. That's kind of horrible. Oh yeah it was kind of a shitty person so people were already skittish so so whenever basically when he would pay his sons to move the animal quote around people were already kind of nervous to go in and even see this thing the second and moved they just ran away. It was like analysis yeah there was no there is no one like staring at this thing. Once it moved they were scared and just you and I would have been the most gullible we are. The most goals will people we would have been just like engrossed in all of this is amazing. Terrifying aren't even care that's made barbed wire and someday we should make a podcast about thousand how's percent okay so when they went so far at one point to even Eugene went so far as to wear a suit and walk into the shed and then his sons behind the shed would make awful noises as if the beast was moving around and then he would run out with the closed shredded so he would intentionally go in looking nice if people said like oh we really really want to see it and he would just walk in to check on it to see if it was a week and then he would run out with his clothes all tattered and he'd be like oh no like the it's not in a good good mood my dime yeah he would say I quote. I'm really sorry. I can't show you the Hodak today. He's just not viewable today. He's angry. That's what I say about Christine too. The view a behind closed doors for the afternoon so it was later published that gene had conned people before and he would sell things like moss to to people when I was little I sold rocks to people and I told them they were g odes. I was kind of like a maybe you're right. Just crack it open. That's what I said of the adventure. That's the moral thing that I did to myself because my Catholic brain was like you're doing a lie and then my my sneaky lull Gemini Brain was like but it could who'd you don't know who's to say and so I would go around and sell them for five dollars and the only reason people bought them because I would bang on their door for hours and hours until finally they were like okay. Just take like take five dollars. I don't want your rock you know in middle school me and one of my best friends. We started a locker cleaning business. Did it just so we could be. He knows enough to look through everyone. Show that's it that was the game changer and then we also had a teacher who I can now say her name was miss. Would I M- allowed to say this because now she has passed based on and they can't fire her for this information but she was our whole me and she was your whole Dag our Ho- Dag and she was probably bleakly is fed up with that school as we were and we me and my friend though it had the locker cleaning business we always got picked up last for some reason and sometimes like we would have sports games or something we would get stuck at school for hours. She would not encourage but she would imply that if we did this she wouldn't tell anybody and so we would go into other people's lockers and steal their food and then she would go and then she would go into the teacher's lounge and steal other teachers and then we would all sit and have a picnic together and we would gossip about the faculty and the Students Primo. You need someone like that on your side. There were times where she would get me out of classing like my mom was on the phone. I'll lie just because I I want to go to the cloud. It was jam listen. She was the number one anyway. Rei Penis would give good Khodadad Guy yourself a Su- would so would would you. Would you know she'll help you. Wow that was clever thank you. You're only took me what ten years yeah you got there my goodness where am I in the world. Oh yeah so he's selling Mazda people which I'm one hundred percent on board with that I would probably brought it from I have pulled so much like that. He even wants and used to put soap in his mouth. When creditors would come to his place so he looked rabid those bars of soap you were right for the set that and I knew soap was yeah I tell you he and I were kind of one in the same? I shouldn't judge so he knew that he was doing stuff and he knew how to keep it quiet. If you need not even if met eating soap he's on it so in response to people asking how everyone believed that this monster could exist yet because a lot of people would be like why on earth is why did the whole town just think this was real and what did Christine say in defense of themselves and their gullible. Here's the defense this was a quote a time of scientific exploration and inquiry a lot of animals at the time were being discovered. Okay that's fair so it's not hard to believe that there's this massive lizard. No one has ever heard of before that has just been discussing out in the wilderness yeah well. I mean we've talked about that. How people literally didn't believe guerrillas were real because it was odd concept yeah in how what why would you leave it all? It has this giant long neck but it looks like a horse. Yeah I mean it sounds absurd. So who knows also people at at the time didn't travel like they do today so if people far away from Wisconsin were hearing like hey there's this animal in Wisconsin. They'd be like Oh. I believe that but I'll never because I'm not there so sure people were like maybe it's just a local to that area and I'll never see it but if everyone's saying they've seen it then it must be real right right so at the same time that Eugene was pulling off in the eighteen nineties the town of Rylander was struggling to keep up and they were trying to bring in more people into the city so so Eugene ended up incidentally promoting rheinlander with this creature right so people wanted to see the bag and maybe even if people didn't believe in Rheinlander they're like well. We're not gonNA say anything because it's generating a profit for us. Mothman kind of point pleasant. This is a quote not only hundreds but thousands of people came to view the Hodak and not one of them went away without having learned a little more about northern Wisconsin and it's safe to guess that each one of those thousands told others what they had seen heard and this way the beauties opportunities and resources of Northern Wisconsin spread and many who came out of curiosity only have come to make their home with us on long live the Ho- Doug Long of the whole core from Eugene himself so yeah okay well. This has no room to be like. I increased tourism. It's like you made money off-budget so he has no shame in what he's done because he likes I think he takes all the credit for the reason why northern Wisconsin even is still around Christine in he found some moral ambiguity and he ran with it. There might be in this. We don't know the Hodak is Gio. There's a code inside there somewhere yeah. If you look closely in your heart you'll find it so in nineteen twenty-three Jean died at sixty nine of kidney failure failure but thanks to Eugene in the dog. The town of Rheinlander is still popping. They're proud out to claim the Hodak. Apparently Rylander is nicknamed the Hodak city or home of the Hodak helmet the Hodak of Daddy yes there there it is a fits and there is a a logging museum that sells lots of Hodak souvenirs which we should have gotten when we were their weight that you were sick so we had to get out quick. Lee Yes us back okay. We'll be back for cheese Kurds and beer souvenirs sick. I couldn't enjoy the beer the cheese Kurds had a really must have been a really bad cold for Christine Christine to avoid beer and she's sad is that we gotta go back. I mean it was everyone remembers my Florida Florida and this was her Wisconsin offseason so scarfs and yeah and then even had her Nashville Nash ill Oh that was just so sad poor eva she she was trying to be so brave and she was like I'm fine. I'm fine and we were like even just sit your ass down go to sleep and come back tomorrow and then in the morning. She was like hi guys and I was like okay. If a year you you need to just sit down he was like I'm a little sick but I think I'm fine. We were like we're going to get on the plane and bring you home to John Eva. We're going to give you six six times. The amount and I called it. You're supposed to just write it out. Girl are waiting comfort you so the logging museum does sell souvenirs and the entire town actually has Rodak banners flags signs and Hodak is now the mascot of Rylander high school and I wanNA move there and have children and make them go to that school and the it's also the official symbol of the the entire city yes one of the most popular postcards there is actually the picture in the news article of the capture. We gotta go back and buy this. Even though it's fake it is like the story behind it that everyone loves yeah. Rheinlander Chamber of Commerce has also trademarked Hodak. TM TM and has created their own statue outside of the Chamber of Commerce Building. They also have two more inside. One is quote a life size replica from nineteen fifty. One Nice and one is a smaller fo- taxidermied Hodak okay fo taxidermied so Kinda cute didn't even know I needed that but I haven't now we need it. There is another actually at rheinlander ice arena with an oversized head. The blows smoke and lights at ended is later bread Zamboni. I it's kind of like some sort love number Toronto yeah. I'm very happy about that. Apparently in town people actually blamed bad luck on the Hodak so golfers and fishers. If something ever happens they are like Oh. That's the Hodak dog there is again. It's not my shitty golfing. It's just just threw me in the sand trap again so the RHEINLANDER also host an annual music festival called the whole country festival which Joie we got across what is that I don't know but we're going. We're buying tickets and even a list musicians garth brooks and toby keith performed there so it's like the real deal country festival let's go and small statues of the Hodak have been given to the world leaders when they're in town including JFK in Nineteen fifty-nine can can you imagine the honor though can you imagine if you went as like a an esteemed a list celebrity or like like world leader and you're like the here's a little hotel that must be such a beautiful moment. I'm like tearing up just thinking about it. There's also apparently a Hodak sandwich that are in many restaurants doesn't sound appetizing title based on the smell you described but it smells like skunk perfume and old meter. Something Buzzard me is also mentioned several Paul Bunyan stories stories. Do we know what the sandwiches made of. I'm kind of hung up on that note is up about the end of the the Hodi is also a villain in the Scooby Doo episode of horror. Oh sweet that is sleet I haven't I don't remember that one and it's also featured in an episode of the Travel Channel Series mysteries at the Museum mm-hmm and it is best featured in fantastic beasts and where to find them okay some historians have suggested that the Hodak might actually have been a real creature. Oh hang in there. The HODAK strongly resembles the native American Creature Mishi issue. Oh yeah remember this machine. Pets you AK the Water Panther anther okay to apparently they do sound very similar so even though Eugene admits that he never saw a Ho Dag he might have used his description inspired hired by the God GotTa gotTa gotTa so the Water Panther or the water or a great links so it's Panthera links lizard in elephant and the skunk and also just a bunch of oxides yes and some soap is stuffed in its mouth in some moss on top so it's known as the Water Panther the water links or the Great Lakes and it is the apparently most important water being among the Great Lakes tribes because it is the quote great underground wildcat or the great underwater wildcat. Just ooh don't understand it's it's a cross between a Cougar Dragon. Well I mean surprised anymore. It apparently roars in hisses before storms or rushing rapids to warn you okay that's kind of Nice and it has horns on its head which represent power apparently share and it has spikes going down it's Sawtooth back and tail which are made of copper and has very a big pause so it does kind of have already some similarities to the dog with having scales spikes all the way down its body could've heard about this tale and like yeah he completed sleeker it. It's if the natives played telephone long enough until eventually Eugene was born in the whole dog was created and this is my story. Now I claim it that classic White Man so so I'm GonNa make money off it classic local hero so apparently this water panther cheap issue within lives in Lake Superior and guards water copper but also brings misfortune and causes people to drown. No it is the cause of storms waves rapids world pools and breaks the ice and water and apparently there's a game called me. She pets shoe where apparently one kid has to catch his friends and then there's one kid who isn't in Michigan. I think it who's it yeah and his friend set to catch them and throw them into the water till sounds like your favorite game ever so you could call upon the power to secure a good fish catch or for help like for healing. If you believe in the water helping you so sometimes he's not that great sometimes he is great. He's the master of all water creatures and he's engaged in apparently engaged internal conflict with the thunderbirds. which is the master affair? Yeah I only bring that up because I do want to cover the thunderbirds eventually excited for that so me she might come up later so great so apparently his archrivals the thunderbird stories as of not praying or before crossing water Ab- apparently people have died before reaching land. If you don't give thanks to me she pets you I for like giving you a safe travel across the water. There's also a theory that the description of the Hodak could have been inspired. It's the theory is that could have been inspired by me. She passed right right so the Ho- Dag not so much a thing except a symbol of the town but me she is the local creature that might either either save your life in the Water Kilian the water but regardless is probably the Hodak and inspired a really dangerous game for children and that is the story of the Ho- tag I I loved it. I liked it. It was a good one anyway my turn to sit back and relax crusty guys. No one really has time to go to the post office and honestly no one really wants to go to the post office I can tell you I don't especially when I'm busy. I mean I just don't want to deal with traffic and the parking and lugging being on the mail and packages. I can tell you when we started and that's why we drink. It was just so inconvenient for us. It was really overwhelming. We felt like we were kind of you. 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I'm not kidding thousands of classes for free so sign up good skill dot com slash drink to the the number two again. Go to skill dot com slash drink to to start your two months now. That's skullshaver dot com slash drink to all right so I also did Madison Madison. No okay so if you're from if you went to the show I'm super sorry though there were two so you could have gone to one or the other Oh right right right right right right. Oh we probably just lost two chances to release a live show at some point pillow okay so this is actually story. I'm actually very excited that you did Wisconsin. Sorry 'cause this is one that I've I had thought I had covered. It and I was so disappointed because I was like I don't remember covering it but like it's so familiar and I I really WanNa talk about it again. Then I remembered aided did it at a live show so you tell it but there's this podcast that I've been listening to. It's like like so good. It's called the clearing. I don't know if you guys have heard of this. It's called the clearing and it's about Edward Wayne Edwards Okay and this story is freaking freaking bananas. Yes it is wild and Wayne Edwards. Yes okay and it's the story of the Wisconsin Sweetheart murder so Edward. Wayne Edwards in general was a serial killer but in general in general he was also a good guy he was yeah he brought out ahead kind is that's how we got you got green green is he also brought a lot of tourism town. Oh he knew where to get a good squirt gun of deluded poison daddy he was a Ho- Daddy. If you ever seen one uh-huh when he's the sweetheart murderer yeah sounds like he's daddy so Edwin Edwards listen. This is what you've you've been missing out on this whole time the poor two and a half years we could hide the embarrassing ways without we move. I'm like I'm not wearing a bra cover that feeling my like yeah. Oh God no one's going to be like she wearing brought no. I'm not wearing a Bra. Okay sorry back. Everyone go look at Christine's brawlers chef stopping pervert okay so so daddy you're my down yeah okay so this is the story of Edwin Edwards and I covered specifically Wisconsin sweetheart borders but he was prolific throughout the country so okay it kind of that's why I did it in Madison. So a lot of this information in was found from Rolling Stone bustled Wisconsin State Journal people dot Com true crime diary of course murder Pedia and this podcast the clearing which is like very very very very well done and the guy actually talks to his daughter I'll explain it but it's a very good podcast so you should listen to all right so Edwards Edward Wayne Edwards was born in Akron Ohio which is near Cleveland and as a young boy he had quite a traumatic past. He witnessed his mother other die by suicide when he was very young shit okay he had no one to raise him so he was sent to an orphanage where he was abused physically and emotionally now. We're coming in hot on the story. We I always do not even a good sentence to warm imagine this in a comedy club. Isn't this fun and this is a everyone's like oh your your job sounds great. It's like Oh we have have to somehow be funny about some really horrific yeah yeah we have to make you have an enjoyable time yeah. What are you not entertained or with a significant other? You dragged who's like why would you do this to me. I don't understand so you send it to an orphanage. He was eventually sent to Juvie but he was allowed to leave in order conjoined the Marines so he joined the Marines immediately went awol and was dishonorably discharged for that reason he spent his twenties and thirties traveling around the mid west doing odd jobs such as a ship docker handyman in a vacuum retailer Audrey down a Lotta quite odd in nineteen fifty five Edwards escaped from jail and accurate and drifted around the country robbing gas stations when he needed money quickly landing him on the FBI's most wanted list in one thousand nine hundred sixty one crack so it wasn't just the robberies it was he had broken out of Jail L. It was that like Oh yeah you now. You can see how many times throughout my story so I really the truth comes out how boring I am I on at least twenty times. It's very so you're GONNA get used to it. We should start doing like a counter in. I'm not used to it. It makes me feel very incompetent to be fair. I think it's psychological because for the first year that we told stories by the time Christine always told told her story when we both had day jobs. It was like eleven at night so I think I just still my brain thinks like Oh time to go to sleep. Tell me really soothing mm story not about murder before I get a path well here. It is anyway I apologize in advance for everyone maggots to watch me on finally someone else gets to witness actually sleepy Kinda a guy yeah okay so data so he is on the FBI's most wanted list. He later wrote that he never disguised his appearance during his crimes times because he wanted to be famous. That's a good guy that's rough. Well it worked and he was pretty quickly arrested in Atlanta and sent to jail five years later he was released on parole having been fully rehabilitated doubtful end of story the end. What are those the end? I wish got if every story ended like that. Story ended ended five minutes in and happily no murder to notable robberies rehabilitations all better yeah he married a woman named K had five children and felt so so change so radically changed. I radically believe believe him that he wrote a book and the book was called Metamorphosis of a criminal Oh my God in which he discussed his past life of crime and has changed ways he also began touring the country speaking about his reformed ways and how he the light and has changed to be a better person. I'd helped he was also very attractive and charming so he was just very good at like manipulating people into who thinking he was truthful when he told these kinds of stories he quickly gained the trust of his community he convinced America. That was a changed man to the point. Let's hear it to do the point was here. So do you remember this game. Show called to tell the truth. it's the show where three people attempt to convince panel of celebrity judges that they are the central central character who like either has weird occupation or has done something really wild and the other two are impostors so there's two actors and the actual the person and it's it's it's like from catch me. If you can like the guy the ACA yeah and so he'll be like oh I you know forged all these checks and then the other to try to convince no. I'm the one who did that is okay and they have to convince the judges and then the judge will vote on who they think is actually. It's all coming back yeah. It's I loved show personally anyway. He was on the show. Oh yeah could he win so three P okay did it so there are three people on the show. There's actually a version of on ABC now. I don't know as of like March or whenever we did the show but I haven't watched it. My favorite episode of to tell the truth is to tell the truth. I'm Edward Wayne Edwards. Oh reformed criminal okay. Yes Edwards was honest freaking show. The episode is on Youtube so I highly recommend watching it. It is Sensor Albert here. Could it be listening yeah. Click here to what she's getting. Everyone listening to just the Audio version is like Oh holy shit us my new normal because yeah oh yeah it's on Youtube. Please finish are upset. I because I want to tell you what he did before you watch it because it's so much more disturbing if oh shit after so half the panel voted for him they said actually they picked him because he seemed the least likely read like whitest this guy on the panel and so the least likely to be an ex con and the most all American seeming contestant so they thought oh they're trying to trick us. That's him because the other two was was like this like Italian swath they they were like oh he looks more like a criminal like it was very sensitive I mean what are we like the sixties what what yours is the sixties sixties. Okay thank. Maybe the seventy S I mean I think it was the seventy s at this point. Yes so interesting. There's been two different types of that. We know of two murderers on game shows because no no Kala Rodney Rodney alka Al Calla Al Calla yeah he was dating gamers on the Bait and game and he was a fucking psycho and he looked like he looked like someone I would not want other contestants. Were like yet. He was freaking cre- play backstage to however this guy was like so charming and all American that they were like well. There's no way he's incredible. Vote was ever a criminal how he'd really changed okay so he is on the show. He's doing this tour book tour like he's just this kind of American hero cut to a few years later surprise he's back in jail on arson charges and he kind of lived the rest of his life. like in and out of jail kept to himself but now we're we're GONNA super fast forward to two thousand nine. Okay Edwards has long been out of jail. He's in his seventy S. He's living back in Akron Ohio. One of his daughters April global asking April Bellagio Balasko the LAS blasios. Let's go with that. It sounds cool April. She's now a forty eight year. Old Mother of three. The kids are grown. She decides you know what I'm finally going to act on some nagging suspicions I have had my whole life though my dad and about my childhood will tyranny so this is what that other podcasts about like her journey in discovering all this and what happened and it's so well done but so April she eh she always knew growing up that something was off about her dad. She said he had an obsession with the Zodiac killer with murders to the point that he would like sit them down and make them come watch all of these videos and crime things really gruesome graphic stuff when they were like toddlers like force them to watch was like sickly fascinated fascinated the other weird thing is I would move the family from city to city every few months. They number stayed in the city for more than a couple of interest at a time. That's pretty interesting yeah. She knew something something was off but she had kind of repressed a lot of it didn't have a happy childhood whatsoever and so she had repressed a lot of it but overtime she just was like there's this nagging feeling. I'm living with breath. I kind of want to see if there's anything to this that I can yeah process so one day so what she does. She goes your members. Several of the small towns she lived in so she starts going back like she's like I know we lived there in nineteen seventy eight or whatever it may be in the small town in the fall so she goes back to like the news articles like archives from that fall of nineteen seventy eight and she starts realizing there are murders happening in those towns during during the time periods of they gotta live there got it. She stumbles upon a news report of a recently reopened cold-case and that was a cold case of the Wisconsin Wisconsin sweetheart murders which was a cold case in a town that she had lived in the town of called watertown Wisconsin and the murders had taken place in nineteen eighty so on Saturday night August Ninth Nineteen Eighty Timothy Hack and his girlfriend Kelly drew both nineteen disappeared after a wedding reception in town the families as reported them missing the following day and one of the largest searches in Wisconsin history was organized a few days after the disappearance police began to find disturbing things on the side of the road they found Kelly's pants which had been cut from ankle to groin they found pieces of rope strange pieces of yellow tubing and more bits of torn clothing thing but tubing freaks me out three months later squirrel hunters stumbled upon Kelly's body in the woods and Timothy's was one hundred feet away and Kelly had been raped and Timothy had been stabbed and strangled and after Kelly was assaulted she was also stabbed and strangled to death. Oh my God so leads went in all different directions. This was like horrific. This is a very small town. This was just so shocking and jarring it was like this young couple and very close closest commute close knit community as the years went by investigators had no answers. The case went cold the family's just kind of lived with like we're never going to find out what happened so that was in nineteen eighteen eighty so we're back in two thousand nine April is searching through the archives of all these places. She's lived and she stumbled upon this news report. Her blood runs cold when she realizes not only did they. They live in watertown Wisconsin in nineteen eighty but her dad had worked at the venue where the wedding reception was held that night nope yeah well that does it for me. Yeah what's more. She remembered her family leaving town only two days after the disappearance of the teens well so for me to he's like okay. My suspicions were correct Yup. My Dad is the worst guy yeah so the case had been recently reopened as a lot of cases have been in the last ten years due to DNA evidence that can now be analyzed and funding coming in from the government to help open reopen cold cases and investigate DNA so April April decided to give the lead detective Chad Garcia a call and to her surprise he was immediately like okay. Let's talk about it sounds like a really interesting using lead. You brought up because she was like I thought they were going to be like you're crazy. Yeah this random lady calling from across the country like saying I think by dad did it you know but detective Garcia was like let's hop on a call so they followed up they talked and the detectives ended up traveling to Louisville which is where April's Dad was now living Edward Wayne Edwards he was now seventy six years old in two thousand nine and they go to Louisville to interview him now. At the time I wrote these notes I hadn't listened to the podcast but in the podcast podcast you can hear the tape the entire interview they show up at his house and they're like well. Hey we're just we're following up on this murder up in watertown Wisconsin. He's like Oh what a murderer and it is so creepy to hear them talking to him like knowing he did it and him pretending like I have no memory of this like God is fascinating. It is Giro's rose jarring like dark fast. It is it is and you can hear the whole thing you can hear the detectives just playing it so chill and like okay man yeah. I'm sure it was nothing we just you know tried to like you. Comfortable not spook them yeah and so it was just it's really well done very fascinating. Remind where are we. I hit a bunch of buttons. When I get excited? I start tapping in rural rat feet uh-huh little frantic so that it ended at so they show up in Louisville and they're interviewing him and he's like. I don't know what you're talking about. I have no memory of this. He says. Do you remember the couple. He Says No. I don't I've never heard of those people. Even even if you had lived there and you at least would have heard about the murder like rights just a little bit off that he's like. I don't know who they are. Then investigators asked if Edwards had ever been deer hunting before um okay and Edwards said deer hunting. No that was the wrong answer because twenty nine years before after Timothy and Kelly disappearance investigators had interviewed Edwards. They said Oh we had discovered him he had a bloody nose and he had been working at the venue so they were like hey man what's going on. Why do you have a bloody nose? Where were you? What was your alibi? He's I was out deer hunting when they got it were murdered or when they went missing. I was at deer hunting. That's how I got this injury injury so twenty nine years later they asked him. Have you ever been deer hunting. You know I've never been deer hunting right. He forgot his own alibi totally forgot so they had cornered him at this point 'cause they're like interesting trusting. Our statement says that you were out deer hunting and that's how you received that injury to your face so he was kind of cornered and in the Audio and the podcast you can hear them asking for a DNA sample. They're just super chill. They're like hey said just like while we're here. Can we DNA sample and he's like no. I watch these crime shows I don't want anything to do with that. That's too ooh far and his wife keeps going no come on like if you have nothing just like a DNA sample and they're like well we we'll come back with a warrant and they make it really difficult. Finally he gives in. He's like okay okay. Take my DNA and not surprisingly it was a match to the semen found at the scene and so after almost almost thirty years they'd finally caught the Wisconsin sweetheart murderer and it was someone nobody had expected. They interviewed the Dad of Kelly the daughter who had been killed. I don't know sorry Timothy Grow End the Dad said like all these years living in town for thirty years he just every everybody he looked at every neighbor. He's like could done it. That guy has always been an asshole. Could he have done it like that paranoia for your entire life and you never know you're like I can't and then you find out after like Jack. It's like oh I never had anything to worry about because he was yeah it was some random guy that like I never would have even thought about or known so it was just very disturbing but when they he did tell the dad about the how they had found him he was like I was actually like so proud that my son had caused that bloody nose he's like I was just so happy to hear that like he had a bloody nose and so at least he went down fighting and it was just very touching so at this point they had caught him but this was only the beginning Edwards doors ended up investing to committing restoring. He's rehabilitated again anyway. He's on a game show next week. Now Oh good so he ended up confessing committing five murders between nineteen seventy seven and nineteen ninety-six it turns out the whole time he was on his little speaking engagement tour and on on the game show talking about his former life of petty crime and how much he had changed. He was an actual serial killer committing murders yes so the first murders he confessed to wisconsin sweetheart murders then he confessed to the murders of another teenage couple so he had an their names were judy straub and her boyfriend Billy Lavar back in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven seven their bodies have been found in a park both having been shot point blank in the neck. Oh my God yeah he was convicted and received life sentences for those murders in two thousand ten and lastly Edwards confessed to the nineteen ninety-six murder of his own foster son Danny Boy Edwards no in Burton Ohio so Danny live with the Edwards family in the nineties and although the Edwards hadn't technically adopted him that the court had allowed Danny boy to actually change named Edwards because he felt like he was a son pets so okay gross yeah. It's really fucked up while so Edwards admitted he had murdered Danny boy in a scheme to collect insurance money quote and with Danny I saw an opportunity satiety I set it up to collect the money and ended up getting two hundred and fifty thousand dollars out of it and it was arranged it was premeditated. It was thought out it was planned and that's what I did did and if you listen to the episode in the podcast they go into much more detail you can hear the phone calls between him and Danny boy where he's Danny boy thinks that they're in a scheme together to get money but actually actually Edwards is like laying out an audio trail accuse recording on his own phone calls yeah audio trail of like oh no he went missing like like it was so fucked on turns out he had brought him out to ask for help you know picking up some some materials building materials or something and when he turned turned around he just shot him right in the back of the head and hid his body and the skull has never been found by the way he got held out on that for for the rest of his life so he was sentenced to death so he was sentenced to death US put on death row for the murder of Danny Boy March of two thousand eleven. It's been made clear that he did not not admit to these murders out of a guilty conscience but because they had taken place in Ohio and that's because he was facing a life sentence and he decided he was in Wisconsin and he wanted to to spend his life sentence in Ohio Wisconsin no fence Wisconsin but he's sure Wisconsin taking on get rid of him so he admitted into the specifically the Ohio crimes only after being promised that if he gave information he would be moved to Ohio got it so all very strategic only a month after his sentencing on April seven two thousand eleven at Edwards died of natural causes at the Corrections Medical Center in Columbus Ohio but that's also also not the end of the story so it's believed that Edwards was responsible for many more murders than those he admitted to especially because he only admitted to the Ohioans so he could be moved strategically tediously to a different jail. Detective Chad Garcia who was in charge of the sweetheart murders case says he's pretty confident there are at least five to seven more murders Edwards committed and unquote who knows beyond that so there are confident that there are at least five to seven more and a lot of the podcast I know keep talking about this other show. I'm sorry but a lot of the other show is in April going through her memories and saying I remember living in this part of town in this kid disappeared who lived on our street and like I WanNa see if my dad had anything to do with it and so a a lot of it is now every time you ever lived in yeah every kid that ever got hurt. I think maybe my my dad did responsible and like a lot out of it. Was You know we rush out of town in the middle of the night and she's like well. There had to be a reason right something happened and it's just very disturbing and she actually meets a lot of the relatives of the people that he murdered and so there's a lot of that of like forgiveness and reconnecting and her saying I'm sorry what my father did. Your family murdered your son and I it's just like very very heavy but like very fascinating yikes yikes yeah so a lot of experts also believe that Edwards was responsible for the murder of another another young couple Beverly Allen Larry Payton in Portland Oregon in nineteen sixty they were murdered on a lover's lane. That's the Mo and later found stabbed and strangled angled which is similar to sweetheart murders he had actually been questioned early in the investigation because he was in town around that time but was re released when they didn't have enough to to hold him and so now there's this whole rabbit hole that has been created about this guy because he moved so much and there were so many different like potential links confirmed that people have kind of just started going on these like wild pin board yeah the sprees of trying to figure out who who he could be Charlie Day Charlie Day style so WanNa come down his rabbit hole with me because my do let's. Let's bounce around. It's a trip so in two thousand Eighteen Pena true crime series came out on paramount network called it was him the many murders of Edwards. The man behind the series who was also interviewed on that show on the podcast is retired cold case detective John Cameron who has spent the last eight years working to prove that Edward Wayne Edwards was the most prolific serial killer the world it has never heard of Oh cameron believes Edwards committed upwards of one hundred murders and hundred was involved in some of the most famous murder cases of the past seven in two years now. This is extremely controversial because it is very conspiracy theory e. so I mean you know down our alley but Irene yeah now. Here's a list of some of the murders for which Cameron believes Edwards was responsible. Okay Big Breath Jon Benet Ramsey Lacy Peterson Theresa Lisa Halbrook of making a murderer Adam Walsh son of America's most wanted John Bash Chandra Levy Jimmy Hoffa Martha Moxley Steve Branch Michael Moore Christopher buyers of the West West Memphis three case and the Black Dahlia Okay Cameron also believes Edwards was the Zodiac killer and that he is responsible for the Atlanta child murders so he's just like oh every morning you've ever heard of yes that was him and I think it's one of those cases where he's started the evidence. He's discovered he's using to bolster something. He's created as a theory rather than Dj got it you know and like probably not true. Just a lot of branches contras are coming out and they interview him they go to his house and interview in April. Edwards daughter is like listen I I as much as you want to find out all all of my dad's Ed's victims but like I think takes away from the case if you're saying like he murdered Jon Benet Ramsey and like he murdered the Black Dalia like he would have been like third rain like it just just doesn't make sense and I think you're taking away from from actually finding out who did it so it's kind of controversial. A lot of people are like on board because it's just such an insane fascinating theory sure why not why not read it a little bit just to see just as well you can find out but and of course like you you know he has facts or evidence that backs it up but then there's a lot on the other side that's like no no no and she even said like no. We weren't living there at the time and he was like well he could have flown. They'RE GONNA loan back in two hours and she was like Bill Walsh just a lot of it. Is this a little illogical and like why would he fly somewhere to kill a random person he doesn't know and then fly back right he would just kill someone already doing that and like she she even said like as sick as it sounds like that's not as type like he had type and its brand clear in the Mo's of the people who murdered they were a couple couple and he would assault the woman and murder both of them and that's just what he did and so like the West Memphis or the yeah west Memphis three and the Atlanta child murders. She's like it just wouldn't yeah I'm not saying he's not a shitty person right exactly but he didn't do all the yeah and she's like. I know how terrible he was. I'm not doubting that were denying that but like we need to have some element of logic here too so anyway the most absurd of all these the Black Dahlia accusation which we did an episode three. If you want to talk about going back to our awkward phase we're just having we're going through puberty over. Oh my nightmare so experts have agreed Elizabeth Short. The Black Dahlia was killed by someone with advanced surgical knowledge and Edwards would only have been thirteen at the time of her death got it so not really doesn't make much sense now interestingly early enough the most realistic theory come out of the six part series is that Edwards could be Zodiac killer. Is that logical so that's the most logical to come out of this and I'll tell you why it has actually been heavily speculated by other people to that words was Zodiac killer in April even says I think it's I think it's possible Oh wow okay and and the reason being so as we know the Zodiac killer terrorize the bay area bay area in the sixties and seventies he was never caught their entire websites websites devoted to this specific theory so let's humor why not why not that's what we're here for and why not Zodiac killer claimed responsibility for thirty seven murders but as only only officially been linked to attacks on three couples and a taxi driver from nineteen sixty eight to nineteen sixty nine which means targeted young couples which is typically Glee pretty rare victim type so if you think about it it was a similar. Mo of young couples on lovers lanes that kind of thing was Zodiac killers mo and Edwards Emma Emma so that's one similarity what's more there's evidence Edwards lived in northern California in the bay area during the time of Zodiac killings witnesses often describes Kodiak is being about five today with a medium to heavy build which Edwards was not the most compelling evidence but it still fits so the switchboard operator who spoke Okay Zodiac her name's Nancy sliver the switchboard operator who talked to him in nineteen sixty nine said he sounded like he was probably thirty five like mid thirties at that that point Edwards was thirty six when the Zodiac I approach young couple Brian and Cecilia so we covered this episode eighty six also maybe less awkward phase as but still pretty awkward during that time of year I mean there has not been awkward levels how terrible we've never really escaped it. Aw So when he approached Brian Cecilia and Brian was the only person to survive and like had a full account of like what the Zodiac looked like an everything so brian later said the man had introduced himself as an escaped convict from Deer Lodge Prison Interestingly Enough Edwards book that he wrote wrote the metamorphosis bullshit -ture mentioned serving time in Deer Lodge prison numerous times this was like somewhere. I think it was in Wisconsin somewhere more far away was not interest nearby. It was not in the bay area like it was a very small random prison in like a totally different state date so that was a very weird coincidence and finally for what it's worth April. Ed's Edwards daughter believes she really believes her. Father was Zodiac killer there. There was a documentary on investigation discovery now. The podcast in which April explains that her dad had a deep deep deep obsession with Zodiac killer he used to make children watch videos about pizzonia killer and he would just scream. That's not how it happens. Every time something would go on he'd be like that's not what happened in like get so defensive and they just were like what is his deal and now that was the most red flag I've ever heard right I mean and he was obsessed for his with his whole life. He had clippings clippings every clipping he could get his hands on of the Zodiac every talked about it constantly just constantly analyzing news articles in the media and how it portrayed the Zodiac Killer Hiller was correcting every time they said something wrong wow very very weird and so he he's my head believes and she's already she was able to pin him into multiple murders for self so I'm just on a hunch away so imagine when she's got another hunch yeah. She seems to be pretty spot on everything else and Edwards Edwards. DNA has not actually been checked against Zodiacs yet but perhaps one day will be and I'm really hoping for that day because it would be so that would just add such a layer if you could combine this story with Zodiac and finally I mean that would be quite. I'm surprised that that wasn't the first thing they did after like news like this yeah I mean I think but I think the only compelling compelling quote unquote news is like she thinks he did. It like isn't really sure you know I mean maybe not enough. I would find it on my lunch break or something. I don't know how. Dna I'm I'm just pretending it takes thirty seconds sure I know it doesn't but like if you think about it too there's so many theories about who's Zodiac killer like they all seem like d bb Cooper. I mean there are so many that are like well like maybe you know so it's kind of knows. There's a lot a lot there but I really hope that they actually did you go through that because I'd be fascinated to know so perhaps one day it'll be tested. I'm really hoping so guys. Can you do that. Click here to do it. Click click somewhere. Click here. Click on stupid key in the forehead nonsense my weird specific exact dot in the center of my head. The people are like how did you do that now. I was talking with my hands because I don't know how to do anything else and I realized that I'd like we left my phone in the car. Something I went. Oh no and I I was. I was like oh no. There's actually no I think you're more it was like Dag nab it and then like almost like face palm or like slap myself in the forehead because I'm so stupid and I did with keys. I was double stupid. Well that's rough. I mean well. It's fine. I'm healing where healing emotionally personally healing together anyway so hopefully his. DNA will be checked. Maybe someday we'll know definitively whether or not that theory is true which I'd be interested to know either way either way at Edwards is still a murderous fucking bastard and that is his story thanks to April his really strong and brave and smart daughter Yeah while April this this one goes out to you see. She's a fucking baller. If you listen to that show she's like I have worked through this for years in like I finally got to a point where I was like. No I need to make it known what what the Fuck my dad did wow yeah like while she was a child and it's just disturbing to hear her childhood. She's like yes sometimes he would run in the woods and then he would shoot after us scare us and stuff like that like he was at the hell was a nut like he was a fucking terrifying person. I don't even know why she claimed she had a hunch Shusha. I think she was trying to be polite. Oh I think she's like I know something blocking it work because they took her seriously. 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Ellie Harrison  Finding Opportunities

The Roots of Leadership Podcast

24:16 min | 4 months ago

Ellie Harrison Finding Opportunities

"Welcome to the roots of leadership with anthony grupo. This is anthony grupo and welcome to today's episode of the roots of leadership. I'm here today with l. e. harrison. Who's a leader marsh ellie. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much having me. Answ net pleasure to be here. Thank you for for coming on. You know when. I i had the opportunity to listen to elliott some of our thought leader leadership. I was really taken at. This could be an episode that you the listeners will really enjoy. we're certainly gonna talk about leadership and clearly at its roots but this will impact a lot of young leaders but i think leaders that are still young at heart and our work in progress and are working to improve so regardless your position in life and business. I think you're gonna enjoy would has to say ellie so let's talk about leadership when when you first started to think about leadership in your role as leader what what changed in your thinking about leadership from when you started your career to where you are now. I'm i guess. When i started my career is a graduate i was. This is my first job. This is my first experience in a freshman industry and i was really fascinated to see how leadership what comes up china's Let into the business and develop my career. And then i quit. He realized that. I like being on the front for. I like having the ideas. I like trying to guide people through things so it became quite quickly apparent that i wanted to lead on my one eight to kind of get involved in events beyond the day to day job know be walk. Hang with whether it be walking kind of the bigger picture of a business and why could come. I when i meet leaders like yourself and they talk about leadership when they starting a career but but one in your life did you realize it. When when did you. I know that you had leadership ability in that you could take your ideas and people would would rally to you. I guess. I grew up with three younger brothers Very close in age and as the agenda once they always tried to have the monopoly. They wanted to win the bottles. They want us to watch. The football like everything was very male oriented in household And i read. Is that you know. I really needed to step up. I needed to walk out to persuade. People might negotiation skills needed to be on point Say yeah i think it was my brothers that drive drive me to become a leader. They'd probably salmon knock but you know it's it's interesting isn't it. How a lot of times. The the skills we take to the boardroom really started in the living room. And you know it's almost like a lot of your skills get honed. it's it's It's interesting too. Because i i like to ask that question from leaders like yourself because i think sometimes we start our discussion more to the middle and the end right where we are now but it's a lot of the listeners that are are here today on the episode with you and i they they have those thoughts because there are in various stages and an now we special things impact is at life at home. So let's talk about a lot of energy and your pursued a around the young professionals marsh and some of the work that you're doing. What was the genesis of ellie. Why why did you become an advocate of it and and really driven by. So i came from chelsea originally and when the integration happens a marsh colleague ashley said to me marsh is a village of opportunity and i thought that was really really interesting way of putting it. Unity said the mc group. There is so much out there and s so much to find. They were so excited that we are becoming a positive it and coming from jail t. I realized that it was a very different structure and i needed to find a way around this minute. Detail coming into a huge organization had so many pots. And when you come in no one gives you a mom. No one says this is how it's gonna work this. Is you find these things. Thought that was cr. Jeeves and i think these resource crew just just for the groups. Because i'm not sure what they would know with. Crt is just too close. Sorry say colleague results grapes that we have within the business and to me. That's the closest you will get to a map around the organization is that secrete meeting with a specific puffiness. And hopefully that a group could help to navigate ye to the parts of the business that you want to interact with a want to see so i immediately latched onto becoming a part of the young professionals organization because i felt that that was my best way to get exposure to other parts of the business. Meet people that. I'm not walking with day to day as a natural introduction to the wider degree So guess for me positi. That was the genesis was coming into such a huge company and having all my support. Great this there and says now we're going to look at this specific you know whether it be a specialty division. Explain hot division works or we look at the different operations or we setup mentoring embodying and you get introduced to people that you wouldn't come across in your day job i think that's probably it'll sauces. Yeah let's let's go to place that a lot of listeners will will ask me about. Is there in large organizations. Many are in large global organizations. Like like we are the also can have the same problem in in a small organization. Because it doesn't it can impact everyone where you come into an organization. You're in your role and people ask. Well how i. How will i become visible. How how will i navigate how i build a career because as you said there's not a map of course we go through orientation of different levels but in the end we start our job and start working. What advice do you have to the listeners. Of when you start a job and you see or change. What are some of the key components you think about or do that helps you become acclimated because it takes energy. Doesn't it to to try new things. Yeah daphne and i think the main thing for me is with anything in life you get out of it as much as e poten- and you shouldn't expect things to come to you. You need to put yourself out there and find them So you know when you move into a new company go out try meet people you know easy to the people thou humanitas lots of questions an always ask what more there is. What is out there because it does that old saying you don't ask you don't gap and if you don't ask what is out that you'll never going to know so i think having not current tippety of going out that asking the questions meeting the people putting into it a hundred ten percent as much as you can. That means you'll get out as much as there is available so i think that's probably the main ethos that i try to use. And do you think that when you do that just to recap couple things. You said be proactive. Ask questions apply your potential to to new ideas new venues. When when you do that a lot of times you can find out that. It's not what you thought it is once you get started. What do you do when you're surprised as leader and you try new things. I think that's normally a good thing as exciting when you start something and you think you can see the path and it takes another direction because actually it. He could predict how something was going to go. And it doesn't show you something new will surprise you. You'll probably not learning anything from it. You're just going down a practice route that you already understand and you can anticipate and you'll within your comfort zone when you're doing things like that so when you go into something that you have one intention for and it takes you down another path that's when you on the most naci you can find the most opportunities there's really well said and i just to you say that it it's so true and you don't think of it until i heard you say that surprises really are the genesis of excitement and business and in life right if we complacency and comfort you said comes from doing the same thing over and over again. There's there's a lot to that when you think about this to think about young professionals and we have a lot of of what i would call developmental leaders and or young leaders and just leaders of all ages who are doing exactly what you said. They're trying something new every day. They're constant work in progress. What are some of the key issues. That impact young leaders. What what is it that you think about concerned about value. Because you're you're you're the future of of the organizations that we all work in but also a lot of our infrastructure and society. What's on your mind halle. I mean at the moment. I would say the on is what the future of the workplace is gonna let like. I think that's a huge amount of uncertainty surrounding people's careers an especially as a young person. When you will new an industry and hosni from my experience. I've been working insurance to three as and i've just started to feel like i found my feet. I understand how things work. I know how to get the best things. I kind of know how to work the job. So that i can get the outcome that i would like whereas suddenly now that whole has completely changed as a consequence of coronavirus and lockdown and uncertainty county scary. Not knowing what the office is going on at like the idea coming in and being handed a bag with mosques and even not going back to my desk. I've only sausage one desk in the office. My love dot dusk night off my surroundings and it's going to be strange to common agreed to a different role. I'm so i think that's probably right now. The biggest challenge I think the other challenge that young people have more generally is not not putting their hands up enough. I think people can be a little bit too prudence and would only say yesterday something when they feel that they will do a good job and it will reflect what on that and you say yes for joe because he fell. You can succeed in at and you're ready to do it. I think young people don't take opportunities enough when they don't feel when he fell seventy percent ready to be doing it because we can be quite scared of fading and things. And i didn't think failure is always a bad thing because again it's like when you saw some one off to do something and it takes you to another genus dots. Plenty learn the most when you fail when things go wrong. That is why you take key outings and you can build on that. Anita congrats on nine times out of ten is a solution stop failure. But it's having having the courage to go into something knowing that you might fail is something. I didn't think young people do enough. Yeah you know. Let's try to try to put. There's so much into that. What you just said. It's what you just talked about is really five pillars. That's key to to leadership but also just Being happy and accomplished and successful because success isn't defined by material achievement. It is defined by what you said is sometimes it's just the the uncertainty that we face now and what you said about. Don't be too prudent because it is sometimes our greatest comes when we take. We take risks on ourselves before we ever took risk on what we were going to do. And when we take risks on ourselves we we find out that what we were afraid of. Never cry never occurred and when the the challenges of will use the word failure or setbacks or development you. Do you find that you'd really do have the skills to handle it or people to help you went when we talk about new uncertain world and when you said about you know you love your desk and and and you love your surroundings. I think we're gonna find out in a lot of entrepreneurs that mindset that that we possess is that it doesn't wherever were standing were producing we were never defined by our geography and hence why you can try all kinds of things you can change countries you can do all types of environments when when young leaders and i and i wanna stay with young leader thing part for a moment what what. Advice elliott and guidance. Steve give them about how to be less fearless and not be afraid of taking the risk. I think the advice would be. Don't don't be afraid of fading or failing isn't always a bad thing. If he can take something positive from it so i think you take the opportunity. Try new things knowing that the mortgage try the more likely you are to slip up at some point. No everything is going to be right because everyone isn't good at everything. that's not. How the wild blogs everyone has. But it's only when you try loads of different things that you realize by your true strengths. Lie and order to do that. You're going to try. Something really bothered it a not. So i think diane have a fair of that moment that you realize i k dot may take a moment as a good thing. Learn positives from it and use that to help you on your policy to find your strengths. I think the wiser you become and the more that you're in this this game we'll call it of life. You find out that as you work to help others versus just yourself you become more fearless because you realize that there's a lot riding on it and people rally to you. They the environment where everyone is so focused on themselves creates a cutthroat environment of everybody trying to just achieve at the risk of others failing but when you seek to serve then everyone's united and all all boats rise it's it it should not have taken me as long as it did the figure it out. I wish i figured it out when i was younger. But i hope that people listening today To you and i think about that. I'm here today on a rich of leadership with e. harrison business leader marsh but also leader. Who takes on challenge tries. New things helps helps others around her elliott. Let's go back for a second because when you said you try new things. I bet. that's not a new thing for you is it. I would imagine that you were always after trying new things. Am i right on that one. I've always been pretty adventurous. Yeah you know what Has been a time when you you tried something and you thought. Oh this was a mistake like oh no this was i maybe should have gone. This far said a time that springs to mind. Yes daphne i. During my time at university. I was at the university of russell and i went on a year abroad. And in the first half of the i went and lived in santiago and shitty. And i've never been south america and i hopped on a plane age twenty. My and i had a friend that university. Who said i'm gonna sorta house fi. I'm gonna find a room and all and you can just drive pre. It'll be great and that's just say that his view of what is livable housing conditions for my fear. A slightly different. I arrived in this country. And i knew no one had two suitcases and i walked into this house and iowa and i cannot live here but i have nowhere to go. I had one ton to you. I just i had this moment of. Oh my goodness do i. That's real that's a real one. Yeah it was scary. And actually i got in touch with a friend in london. They knew someone out that and it was resolved within twenty four hours. I was out the door. I didn't spend a nice house. I found a love deface. It and i had a wonderful time and i loved it but while i stepped off that plane and arrived and thought oh my goodness this could be the next eight months of my life. It was scary. Which what you defined is at such a core isn't it. Is that that moment of of when fear creates paralysis and it's almost a year almost frozen in time at that that situation and it takes it takes that leadership skill or that belief in oneself to move forward as you did as many many could would not have. It may have really. It could have been such a bad experience to happen that they never took risk again. And i think that's where i'd like go for a moment now. Is that when we do really take. Take it hard right. We we do have a setback is the mindset that it takes skill to bring ourselves back out of it when when you start off on on an adventure of of leadership or are taking challenge and you and your career In the early stage of career have already amassed achievement. That some never happened in their career. Do you already set your mind that it doesn't go right. How you prepare. And you're okay with and you go on to in my mind every possible outcome. But i am balkan something new and not all of these outcomes positive saturday i think the best thing about taking risk in a business suit to take a step back the scariest thing about taking the risk in south america was that i was on my own whereas to take risk in business. You'll part of a team and you've got people around you and you've got that support structure and often especially as young passan as often someone you can tonto. Who's taken the same rest before all has the experience a has more of non tucson of what you're about to do so having those people around g to rely on makes risk-taking work a lot less daunting because the scariest thing about fadia also enduring role is not having someone to to you not having support network and i think that's another key thing that we try and do with the young professionals. Kodak resolves creative is where all just that some wants to send us an email and say this. We're an air with with that in a natch just chop about things. So when you're taking those risks and business having not support structure around you makes it a much nicer experience. Yes so true. And so many things isn't it because it doesn't matter what stage we are in our careers as you said have have some have an ear somewhere that Because we all we all needed you know ellie just to recap a couple of things because i want to try to frame this because you've talked about so many good good points on his. Podcast be proactive. Ask questions know that surprises are sometimes at the root of excitement that sometimes the way to minimize failure is is to plan mentally for what could happen and prepare for it that whether it's the future workplace just the uncertainty that comes before us is sometimes the best thing is start off by not being prudent. Ed i love that. One elliott might have to make sure. I do that myself. I'm here in the studio today. With with ellie harrison a business leader marsh and a leader across all platforms at she attempts elliott. I i want to go to play. Said i'm so unsure of myself. I i struggle with this one and it's top of mind in many regards as we come out of. Is we try to build a new ecosystem of where we work. What do you think about. And what do you say to some of the an even know what what label to use. I'll use traditional leaders but that doesn't even really fit. I'll say to the people that are so longing to go back. What to what. They knew they may fail to forget the lessons. We just learned of allowing people to to work flexibly and work from anywhere and and give more balanced the life by by working that way. What do we say to those leaders that that are set in their ways and they want to go back to work the way they used to and they're putting micro-management pressure on others to just go back into the office from nine to five. What would you say to those individuals. I would say falsely embrace change. I think as humans we naturally get stuck in routine. I think routine is very unhealthy. Sometimes sire embrace the change is an opportunity pacino to bring in more of what works while as out the things that don't lock you know. This is the first time in all living working experience. I would say that. We have a global uproar an opportunity to change things that have become ingrained. I didn't think that's gonna be such a thing as ingrained and business anymore as we lost our group so i think take that change and use it. Yeah us the opportunity that it is an haunts and increase the things that what while gavitt the things you date night and archie ton business into the vision that you have well said thank you ellie. It has been a real this podcast where i could talk with you all afternoon. Ed it's It's really really i. I learned a great deal listening to you. And i hope to listen to it as well. I'm sure they did. Ellie thank you for being on the show today. Frankie sandwich the hollyman time. This is anthony grupo. And today i was with ellie harrison a leader and the organization but a leader in everything she tries to as everyone thinks about this. Just know that you have the ability to turn your passion into your potential increase your performances. We believe in you have a great day.

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Hops To Home December 2020

Aussie Beer Explorers

47:10 min | 4 months ago

Hops To Home December 2020

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Calling Parents About Their Kids Online Actions

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Calling Parents About Their Kids Online Actions

"You see NFL Kevin racist Meam in a post cruel comments in a group chat photos on Instagram of kings, drinking unsolicited graphic nude pictures this time, it's not your kid. But now, you know about it you contact the other kids parents if it was your Kate. Will you want another parent call you when should one parent contact at other parent about something she saw line, and when is that likely to just make everything worse? Hi, I'm Mark Roman attack policy expert and former White House advisor on privacy. I'm David Reitman. An adolescent medicine doctor who works teens. We're also married to each other and raising a teenage son of our own. You're listening to their own devices. A parenting podcast with practical advice for the twenty first century. I wanted to do an episode on this topic for quite a while. Because it seems to be fall more controversial and complicated than he would have thought. And the question is when is it appropriate for one parent to call another parent about the other kids online activity or posts, what do you think? David. I think it really depends on the kid. I think it depends on your relationship with the other parent. I think it depends on the nature of the post. There's a lot of herbals there. My instinct would be to call another parent because I would like to know if our son engaged in some kind of behavior that caused other people concern or potentially put him at risk. I would hope another parent would call us, and I would extend that same courtesy to other parents. But David, I think what we discovered in preparing for this podcast is that maybe even a majority of parents don't agree. With that. They wouldn't pick up the phone and make the call and they don't want to get the information. Look, it's clear that different parents will bring different perspectives and values to this discussion. And we heard from a lot of parents, a number of legitimate reasons why they may not wanna make that call. We heard that parents were concerned about me be a loss of friendship or strain relations between not just adults. But the kids parents are concerned that it won't go L, they'll be anger and hostility, and they'll actually make the entire situation worse. And then another concern that for me. I think is the most valid is that parents are concerned about a loss of trust between a parent and their own child because if they learn about it from their child, they don't want to violate that confidence relationship, and then go tell another parent what they discovered is that valid it is of to appoint remember that kids rely on their parents to keep them. Safe. And that's something that we've talked about a number of these episodes and part of I think parents informing are their parents is to be able to keep their kids safe. And I think that's something that kids alternately want not just for themselves, but for their friends that said, they don't wanna be the keyed whose parent ratted them out. So there's a very fine line that parents have to walk when they're going to think about bringing in another parent into these issues, we've seen different parents make very different decisions in different contexts. So for example on our second episode. Jen talked about calling other parents when she heard kids using foul language over the PS four when they were playing fortnight. I don't know that I would have made that call, but I respect that decision. And I probably would have liked to have known if our son was doing that. Then we heard a circumstance where a mom recently told us that her daughter in eighth grade received a naked pick from a boy as grade. That mom decided not to call the parent of the boy, I think I would have in that situation. I think that there really is potential risk of harm for that. Boy and that the parent off. No because the kid maybe doing it in other circumstances. You don't know whether picture goes, and there really are risks. But that mom decided that she did not want to get involved. And I guess I respect that as well. These are difficult choices to make. And that's exactly why we're discussing that. On today's episode. David one of the reasons why I do feel so strongly about contacting other parents in the context of online behavior or digital posts. Is that there really is something that parents can do. And so if by calling another parent, I gave them an opportunity to help their child remove a post take down a picture or chain something online, I think that is a really valuable thing to do. Because that gives the parent the opportunity to help their own kid and get that content off the internet, and any delay mix the potential that much worse. Yes. But I think you need to remember that you're giving a parent that opportunity that parent that has the choice to decide whether that they're gonna wanna take the opportunity, and I think the times when these things don't go. Well, are when you know, the reporting parent is expecting that the other parent is going to respond in certain way, and they don't and. And that's where sometimes this gets a little more dicey. I think that's right. So one piece of advice. I would always have is that if you decide to call another parent you need to expect the unexpected or better yet have no expectations. The parent may not agree with you, the parent may not take any action and the parent may actually get angry at you. And so before you pick up the phone if you aren't prepared for any of those outcomes than I wouldn't make the call exactly what would that. I think it's time to turn to our guests. What's interesting is that we had a really difficult time finding parents who wanted to engage in this conversation on the podcast. In fact, I couldn't find any parents in the Washington DC area who wanted to be on the show and discuss this. So we turn to the west coast, and we're going to have to moms from northern California. Join us by phone bursts. Sharon analytic owns her own consulting firm and previously work. Companies like ask Jeeves and Blue Cross. She's a former professor of cyber law, and which really cool is that Sharon was a senior advisor to HBO when they were developing the series Silicon Valley. She advised on privacy tech and security and Sharon has given countless presentations to parent groups in schools about kids and internet safety. And then our second guess today is going to be who shell density. Michelle is currently the vice president and chief privacy officer of Cisco. She previously held similar positions for oracle and SUN Microsystems who shell is also the founder of the identity project, which is an organization that addresses the privacy needs of sensitive populations. We shall also has her own podcast. She's a published author and an advocate for children online. So we're very excited to have both of these women on the show. And my expectation is not that they're beautiful necessarily. Reflect the opinions of Aubrey one in our audience. But rather, I think these women will tear up the key issues and offer thoughtful ideas that I think will spark future conversations and discussions and with that. Let's get to it. Michelle, let's start with you before we dive into the subject just tell audience a little bit about you and your family. Yes. So I am a single mom of a tween. And teen. I've got a twelve actually by the time. You hear on the she'll be thirteen and a seventeen year old two girls all the drama. Okay. Sharon, well, don't think they've you get all the drama show. I too have a tween at a tween and two boys, and there is still plenty of drama in the boy department yeses areas and thirteen years old. So let's dig into this topic at what point and in. What circumstances does one parent contact and reach out to another parent about conduct activities or things they've seen online? Michelle, let's start with you just generally your thoughts. And if you've had experiences about this. Yeah, I have many many thoughts, and sadly some pretty poor experience. And then I had a couple of. Spots of bright spots. You know, the bottom line for me in. I've had this discussion with both girls before they really were online or had accounts on on any sort of platform is that I don't have the time to like look at all of your Justin Bieber crushes. They don't even know who Justin Bieber is. But I am going to be looking for certain things if I see evidence of crimes, including drugs or nudes being sent around or if I start to get the sense that something is unsafe. I'm going to then not be quote, unquote, cool, and we're going to start to get parents involved in. I've asked both of them and we've run through scenarios what that means. And and one of the sneers we run through is if it's a friend or even if it's just a classmate that you don't know very well sharing with a parent and asking for help may include reaching out to that child's parent, and no one is quoted. Quote in trouble when it comes to those items of safety legality or or just all around wellbeing. How you categorizing that what conduct what activities fit into that? Where you feel that you had contact and what's out abounds in the discussion. It's it's very different than the reality. So for example, when we first started talking we talked about what the red Cup symbolizes to grownups. We assume that there is a hall in that cop. I recognize now Dixie has picked up on this and they're selling different colored. But if I see a gangs of kids with red cups doing dumb things I'm gonna assume that there's alcohol in the mix, and I'm gonna I'm gonna start asking questions about something like that. Now, as my teenager has progressed to high school, you know, I'm not a fool there is underage drinking. If I saw a cop on Instagram now, I would be very much less likely to pick up a phone call parent. I would still have that conversation of like, gee, that's dumb to put out there. Permanently into the world at some point. You would have. I mean, this is very good example. Right. It's the picture that the kid posts of a party, and it's obvious out the high school students are drinking alcohol or maybe juuling or maybe even something else. So it's not your kid, but it's somebody else's photo. And other kids, you know, or classmate you call the parent. So I don't know is the honest truth. I think. For the older teen. I think my line would be closer to if I saw illegal drugs there, or if I saw huge numbers of kids rather than just four people around the pizza box with some red cops. It would be very situational. Where I would have I have accommodation. This is an agreement. We have I I have a conversation with my children. I don't want them to be sandbagged. And then we would collectively decide what to do or Sharon. So I've had both positive and negative experiences with reaching out to to other parents, I would say lean probably more towards communicating with other parents than not probably because my bias is that I want to know more. And so I assume that others do as well. But I've learned that's not actually the case, many parents do not want to know where it is strange. I'm always prized by that. So for me, it's always a case by case determination because of the consequences involved in. So I. I think about when I see tippety that raises a red flag for me. I think about the age the age of my kid in the age of the other kids involved. I'm look at the type of activity that we're talking about is this a health or safety issue is this something illegal. How is the parent that I reach out to likely to respond, and what are the ramifications for my child likely to be I look at all of those factors in determining whether or not to reach out. And also, if you're the boys are a little bit younger, and so the consequences of ignorance can be greater my older daughter, the consequences of permanent damage to things like scholarships or John's or being prosecuted as an adult, you know, for bad things are more dire. But again as Sharon said, I love that kind of mantra it's sort of that do unto others like, what would I want to know? And that's how I approached the. Parent. Okay. David now, we're talking before you joined us and in preparing for the podcast. I spoke to a number of parents about this topic. And then I did some research and looked at a lot of parenting, blogs and advice columns on these topics the default, I got from my research was most parents won't call. Does that surprise you? It doesn't surprise me that reading, but my response to that is that I think that's the case because most people are wimps. I like it is I think that there is a lot of anxiety on the part of parents to reach out to someone parents go through a lot of the same peer pressure concerns that cagey I feel like I'm reliving high scotch interesting. Yes. And so I think that's part of the concern. They don't want another parent to be angry at them to feel that they're being judged. They don't want to be excluded from the little parent Cuffy coffee meet ups right end. So they don't they don't know how the parents will react. And so they don't do it. I still stand firm in my position that I'm more likely to reach out than not. Although I have honed the criteria for that over time. And as I talked to other parents before this as well into floated the idea, it was interesting to me to hear how many parents said to me, I definitely wouldn't say anything to another parent, and I wouldn't want someone to tell me people feel that when another. Other parent is telling them something about their kid be judged. Well, they're in their business, and that they're being judged, and they don't want to be judged by another parent, isn't that fascinating. So the ego takes Preston over the safety. And I think I think to the parenting blogs, I think it is all in the trip interpretation of health and safety because as I said it particularly for an older child in knowing that there is drinking going on some parents allow that in their homes. I'm not crazy about it. But I have two parent my child so that, you know, she makes her choices. But that's very different for me than it gets down to that health and safety. And so what is health and safety Michelle pause for one sec, please. Because they're going to be two separate issues. One is when we're looking at online conduct and let's take the example of posting photographs on Instagram or whatever social media platform. One is the conduct that you are seeing in the photo. And then the secondary issue is the fact of or poor judgment. Exercise in posting the photograph which could implicate online reputation for years to come. Right. So I don't know. Do you see it that way? Do you follow my analysis? I do very much so but at the same time give you some some more concrete examples where a young lady was just not full on nudes. And gosh, help whatever is going on on her ephemeral platforms. I'm putting in hard air quotes ephemeral because a lot of the sites that say they are instant delete are not. But we had a young lady who was in late junior high and early high school years when this was going on. It was thong bikinis with the bottom. Raise to the camera. It was the boob shots on the beach. And if this young person didn't get over, I think the number was outrageous. It was like two or three hundred clicks or likes or whatever it wasn't the platform. She would take more outrageous picture this. Is very young child. Retaking like maybe thirteen fourteen I actually did have a conversation with the mom and asked my ex husband to have a conversation with the dad kind of a man to man in a mom to mom situation. And my toy what was not received terribly warmly from the father. It was. This isn't true. You're making a big deal out of it. You're calling my daughter names. You're not perfect blot, very defensive and aggressive. The mom was more kids will be kids and she's not actually naked. And I was like well does she know three hundred people that should be hitting like, and, you know, into the dad like, what do you think those three hundred grown men are thinking about when they are looking at your child. So it didn't go very far. But I was saying to to the moment. Particular. My concern isn't just posting the image. I mean, it does pose a risk to her classmates because I said, quite honestly, just a slight step further. And I'm not even sure if some of these could be interpreted as child porn and my kid is indicated in sharing child pornography, and I'm not down with my kid going down. But more importantly, I think it indicates not permissible child or a child needs to be judged, but a child who was so hungry for attention that that is something that a parent can do something about it's not me pointing a finger and meaner neater neater. It's my saying, hey, you know, what this is a cry for help. So figure out what's going on with your child under. I'm I'm on her side. I want her to flourish. And I I'm very concerned about this behavior to your point earlier Marvin on health and safety, mentally, how is this child developing. So for both of you, what are we talking about? When you say if a kitchen danger. Would contact a parent. What is it? You would see online what kind of conduct that would fit that category. I think seeing any type of images of weapons would absolutely send up the red flags, and I wouldn't stop to contemplate that too much. I think if I saw someone with with a gun or in indicating self harm or certainly harm to others. I think that's a clear action situation. But I think it's rare that those are the situations. Right. Yeah. Exactly. But what would indication of self Hornby cutting? Yeah. There's a lot of cutting going on. I don't understand the behavior didn't exist. When I was a kid. But I think that's an example of stress relief that a lot of kids seem to be engaging in the chill it in terms of actual pictures of cutting or sometimes even just a wrist as if to indicate this is what I'm looking at. What point do you alert somebody else? Besides a parent, especially if you're worried of the parent is not gonna take this seriously that to me is back to the the case by case analysis is really looking at what is the norm for this kid this family this community, and does it seem outside of the norm. But assuming that I saw someone with a weapon, and I thought it was outside of the norm. This not a family that grew up hunting. And where I know that the kids understand safety of hunting rifles. This seemed like a more health and safety. Kind of situation. I would reach out to the parents. I super awkward, I think you start with that conversation. You're like, you know, what this is super awkward in not accusing you or your child of anything. But I care about your child. I care about the community that my child is growing up in in. I'd hate to be the one waking up on February fifteenth in in stoneman Douglas community in saying gosh, an awkward conversation versus this. Now, I'm not suggesting any sort of way that any of these shootings can be prevented by a phone call. However, I think you can say listen, I'm just concerned the world is a weird place. I'm not judging you, I I hope you won't judge me for being overreacted. But I think you just kind of you come to it with your heart in your hand and say, listen, I'm coming from a good place, and I just really coming out of. But the concern as a parent, you know, to some. Information. I would wanna have how about this one for both of you. And you're gonna come at it from different perspectives because you've want girls and boys so eighth grade your child received an unsolicited naked pick from another eighth grade student. Do you contact the parent of the child who sent the unsolicited naked pick absolately up -solutely, it's a crime, and the other thing I would say to that parent is first of all this is a crime. Secondly, this is not the kind of conduct. I wanna see happening between our students since making my child unsafe, and it's making your family on safe. So Michelle jumping on let me just jump in here. Because while we each had the exact same answer. Which was absolutely we would tell I would approach the conversation differently. I wouldn't lead with this is a crime. Although I agree. No, no, no in with my whole life. I just care about you. But bottom line kids that's crime yet. But I think where I've had experiences versus negative ones in reaching out to parents. I think a lot of in HUD, to do with tone and approach absolute venison where I came outed with a soft approach and said, I just want to give you a heads up. I know you probably want to know if it were me, I would wanna know just letting you know, right with this very calm to Toey approach again amount to lower the boom, I'm going to put some sugar on it for right? But we're I reached out in a more frustrated state and said, hey, what your kid is doing is not okay. As you can imagine that did not land. Well, I just want to challenge you on this a little bit in that a lot of parents. I spoke to in things I read parents would not make that phone call because it is inherently going to be so awkward uncomfortable. The accusation is pretty intense, and I know in a conversation, we're saying it, but I want you to read. Moderate. You're both confident you would pick up that phone and make that call. Absolutely, mark. You seem surprised that that we both are right that we're adamantly a favor of telling just wanna make sure understood the scenario and another eighth grader sends a naked photo of himself. Yes. I'll right. Anyone? Period. Right. That that individual is not old enough to make that decision is not old enough to understand, the consequences and implications. And absolutely I would get their parent involved. If I didn't know the pair if I knew the parents, two seconds, right? If I didn't I might think about who I know who is good friends with having that conversation, but I wouldn't stop acting on this until I knew that someone had contacted the parent to let them know. So I'm going to get back to my question from before. What about speaking to a third party school guidance counselor that what are your thoughts on that? If this is a nude photo being sent to another child. I believe you have to report I just do when it's fourteen and fifteen in you've got fifteen year olds in a lot of them are sexually active whether we like it or not and it's an intimate photo situation. I'm not sure. And in my case, I did not contact the administration once I felt. Confident that all the kids had sort of come to an agreement. Now, I don't know if that's the right thing that I did or not. But that's what I chose to do at that point. But I don't think age for me is not the distinctive thing. I think the the safety overall of the kids, and including their mental health and safety is paramount for me in effect feel like the trick is. And I've seen this scenario play out too is when you do show and you're in the right? I have seen this world happened the online bullying happens, you're a snitch. So if you do have to go to the administration, you really have to be very careful that your own child isn't pulled in in in your haste in anger. You can say, listen, I'm only telling you so that you can act responsibly here, I do not want my child brought into this water. We get the school involved. In other words, they yes, this kid gore the same school, but. This is conduct that takes place outside school between two kids. Why are we going to the principal? It's a great question. I think one of the things is without getting law enforcement involved, which is perhaps the right thing to do. But so much more permanent. These are thorny figures in the lives of these kids and have the ability to shut it down. I think the other thing is that outside the parents our goal. Most kids now are being asked to sign online policies and agree that there's a code of conduct. And so you're you're pulling in a number of different authorize for a child depending on where they are in the spectrum of tween to really young adult to to figure out what a thorny is going to be the most effective at I think that's true. Especially in the elementary and junior. High years is getting the school involved in anything that depends on the school right at smaller, schools or private schools often. They were already very involved they teach digital citizenship proactively in schools, and they have. These types of internet or online digital agreements that the students sign, and so when they are alerted to situations, whether it's inappropriate language or pictures, or bullying, they can get involved in the classrooms and help target that particular issue and do sort of an immediate training and discussion as well as potentially facilitate discussion with parents, and we see that happening at the elementary junior high level, I think in high school, it's a different situation. Right. When you have situations like at its take bullying, for example, and it's some type of group chat or involvement, whether a number of kids from the class or from the school. I do think it makes to to notify the school because it's unlikely that it's the Korean online, but not offering backroom. So the school may or may not be aware that this type of dynamic is taking place in this way. They could be aware of it. Even if they don't have truly in a position in the case of cyber bullying. Yeah. I know it's got a very broad definition. But Sharon, Michelle, easy, cyber bullying. You call a parent a good question. I think it depends. And again, like, I think the world of my older teen has gone very much Paik. Like, there's no way all these kids are as perfect as their images are that. I'm saying so I know that they're communicating and doing their own thing wherever they're doing. So I'm not seeing as much of that. And I think also they're they're social instincts are what they are now. So, you know, they've self selected into groups in clubs and whatever's earlier and Sharon brings up exactly the example word seems to pop up. I it's the group chats either everyone's swirling and picking on one person or exclusion, which can be just as painful cyber bullying. Let me read you something. So this is from a very reputable website by some very reputable experts, and this is. What they wrote refrain from contacting the parents of the one doing the bullying, some parents confronted with accusations that their child is engaging in cyber bullying may become defensive and therefore may not be receptive. To your thoughts be do dishes in your approach to avoid additional drama and possible retaliation. And so it goes with my sort of theme coming into this. Which was I was stunned at how many websites gave the guidance that we shouldn't be contacting parents I can see where their heart is in. It of the end in the cyber bullying case, I think it's not bad advice in the way, you know, I was kind of talking through the scenario working through with the kids TV recognize when they are being a little over the top or a little extra as the kids city is is one thing I never resorted to calling apparent because the behavior stopped but the retaliation. If you know you're being over parented. Can be really severe. So I understand that reticence. But again, it depends on a lot of different things including severity. So I'm gonna stand by my previous statement that I think it's a one needs to make a case by case determination, so at the early stages. Let's call it if cyberbullying right there, a spectrum of intensity and frequency and all of those things the beginning of it. My my indication wouldn't be to reach out to the other parent. I think that is an opportunity to work with my child on how to how to deal with that. Right. Bullying comes in many different forms. Not just as cute as adults even at work. Right. And so what are the tools that? I can help them develop to deal with that. Whether it's remove yourself from a situation how to respond how to engage your friends in this as well. But all of the different pieces that's both for yourself. And when you see it for someone else right to be up Stander. I not a bystander. And so I think they're opportunities to have those. Conversations. If I felt that it crossed the line into maybe specificity, right or intensity or into an offline environment, and my son's efforts to stop this or remove himself from it were not enough that I would go to other parent or the school or whatever whoever the adult figure might be for that situation. But I think initially that's an opportunity for us to help them. Learn that we can't expect them to know how to deal with these situations just by being born. Right. We help them navigate, and they're tough for adults to we'll helping your kid navigate is one thing. Right calling the other parent changes the dynamic, but I'm not disagreeing, my instincts, really were yours. Here's another to another parenting website. And this is what how they did it at says why you should not call over the next few years, you will likely learn many things about your teenagers peers that you might think another parent would want to know. But as juicy as your information as ask yourself is that teenager in any immediate danger? If your answer is no, then don't call. I would would cyber bullying on the spectrum of putting my kid at danger. So again, if it starts out not being very severe or not being very actionable humorous teasing. Okay. Somebody posts a highly offensive Meam. We're middle school or to their fourteen years old highly offensive racist meme no-one's endanger, what do you do? I think that's a great example because I think a highly offensive racist or any est me, right. Is that is the teaching moment that is like what do you feel about this? What do you see about this? What are you gonna do other than look the other way do nothing and do you want my help doing it? Because that's when I have them formulate a plan. So that they can figure out what their plan is. Because the the other piece that I keep wanting to bring up is. You have to remember as a parent and just be prepared. First of all parenting is hard. I'm sorry. We all win the medal by deciding to replicate ourselves your child is not going to give you a medal and be like, thanks Malone like the prepared to be a little hated for a while. So I think it's really important for us as pets is to have two different conversations. Right. One is with our kids about what we expect what good digital citizenship looks like what to do in certain situations. Right. Those conversations and the other one I think is with the adults in our life. And he's are the parents of the kids that are kids hang out with and who aren't kids are near and to find out what their desires when I had conversations with people before this podcast to let them know mentioned the to