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Welcome back to starting night episode seven four yoga RAV seventy four. Wow. You got Cody Bellinger on the ballet today. Hey, and I in studio Dallas Brayden is back after a few days at Matt was a Mariners camp. What does it as fantasy camper? Was it? Mariners can't where were you? What goddamn bell? I was that. It's actually the Dave Henderson baseball fantasy camp. Put on through the Oakland as Seattle Mariners, obviously Hindu a memorable squads Red Sox legend, you know, it. And so they do that every year it's sparking amazing provice it is it is an amazing time. Seriously. You spend a week hanging out with a new I spent a week hanging out with goose Gossage this this week. Yeah. Ever was he complaining about? Goose is goose is bugging icon goose for sure is. But what I what was he complaining about? It was a question. He was complaining about anything. That's the great part is whatever you might play in whatever you might see from the outside you spend a week with these guys you spend a week in the in in our world, and are setting you're probably getting a different vibe and a different look than you are if you're just catching a sound by thirty second whatever. So these guys for the campers that was really cool. But I mean, again, do you know like put out this little video on Instagram live where I was pitching. But you know, Crosby Bobby Crosby former rookie of the years playing shortstop Dave Stewart is joking around playing third base. Great cadres planned, I based Burke fucking camping heiress is playing second base behind me. Batting leadoff are just it's fun. It's fun shooting. Baboots out there, we had it. We had a blast some some barrier legends as well, Bryan home. And Keith Comstock, Mike more like just a lot of awesome do's and obviously goose cruising around making it a fucking blast. Yeah. Jose Sa's bat flip has the same effect on goose Gossage as smelling salts have on most people. Hey that is what's fun to talk to him about in that baseball setting. You wanna talk about unfiltered uncensored? That's that's when the gloves are off. That's what you that's when you really get those answers to the questions you would love to ask he play. Or was he just roaming around us cruising around played catch did some drills with the guys and stuff. But yeah, come on, man. The hall of fame. He could do whatever he wants. I'm not saying it can use the Hofer. Yeah. So I'm back from Zona that was a fucking blast. Welcome back. I think that that's going to be the only time you go to Arizona. I believe it's not you. And as I'm already I'm already VR bureau, and I'm already walking in a homestead out there. Oh, yeah. We'll out there. Yeah. We'll be. We're going to do a lot of traveling coming up. Yeah. It's got a. Yeah. The schedule is filling up my schedule the spilling it on board. Gonna be on the road a lot within the next month. Or so go to Atlanta for the Super Bowl. Well, I I'm going to I'm going to Foxwoods this weekend for winter weekend. The Red Sox thing I'm going to the Super Bowl. So being Atlanta for a week. Then we go to Arizona that we go to Florida. Then I go to Oakland. I mean, this is zooming. I'm going to be I'm going to be putting around the bay area as well. It got some stuff with some back companies. We're going to be doing we're getting excited about so got some cool shit on deck, man. We fucking can we go to Milwaukee this year? What did what who to Milwaukee for? What are they doing in? Milwaukee jeered time is coming on. I mean, we go to Milwaukee at eight half. I don't know if that's up. We'll I'm all I'm all on that idea. By the way. I went there for the first time last year. And was thoroughly impressed. You loved it. Yup. Still reason why we can't go to Milwaukee got up out of my seat. I walked right? I walked right to the front of the line for sausages and beers or going. I want a hammer a beer and go down the slight base Burs with Bernie brewer. Yeah. Oh, someone some someone that works for the brewers reached out and said that we could do that will then I to do it. Are you serious holler at your boy, let me do it? While you pooh-poohed on the idea of going in Milwaukee. So I don't know if I'm gonna let. I was I was setting you up. I was putting on a tee for you to tell us why we absolutely needed to go to Milwaukee hear me out. There's a reason why swung and missed. There's a reason why I'm telling you this. My name is in the credits for paranormal activity, the movie, really. Yeah. Yeah. So the reason why I bring this up. My name is in the credits for the movie power activity because it was like an indie film back in the day. There was like this website called demand it or some shit, and you demand the movie and based on your geographical location. That's how they knew which theaters to release the film in based on the demand in certain areas. And then musical artists started to use demand it they post it's like their social media. And then they play shows in the most demanded locations. I feel like starting nine should use something like this for live shows. We absolutely should. I I mean, we need it. We need to get the we get the foot in the door. Arizona is a prime prime place for us to do that just a little mom and pop shop, something whatever could be a little restaurant. We set it up live pod dream some. Bears. Have a good time with the fans go taking a ballgame. Hang around a beer garden. I don't know we could do a game from the beer garden. Know, where do you think outside of Boston in Oakland are most listened to probably cog owes a big one? And a lot of Mets fans. Listen, I know a lot cardinals fans. Listen. I think about what the heat map would look like on that. Well, and that's the thing about baseball is it's you know, it's very regional. Because you have your national guys your national broadcasters. Trust me, I was a part of that circus. And no matter how much time you spend how much homework you do. You're just never you're never satisfying the insatiable appetite that is the regional die hard. And and I'm not I'm not blaming him at all not blaming them. Or at all because I get it because I honestly have felt the love of that regional group that regional ban base. So it's tough. But I tell you what man even out in Arizona dared mariner fans because again, we do that fantasy camp with the Mariners manner vans all of them. Yeah. All of them came up or like, bro. Love the podcast. You guys are fucking killing it we love it up here in Seattle. It's awesome. Because I guess DiPoto does a podcast that they liked to of like. Yeah. Yeah. He's little but there. Yeah. But they were like honestly, and they gave me some good ideas some cool shit to maybe talk about while the season is going on while there's got some downtime going on. So, but let's get to vote on this bitch. Do a little cross promo. We can holler. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So we can do you mentioned not being like to satisfy insatiable fans. Yes. I cannot be satisfied enough by this guy right here. Justin havens, the J kid just continues to deliver for this podcast at the end of every podcast. We say the same thing between now and the next podcasts. So wanna make a prediction who signed aware Jay out of out of the fucking clouds. I haven't thought about Brian dosier since twenty sixteen Jay says, you know, what before our next podcast? Brian dosier is going to be signing somewhere. And pretty sure he signed with the nationals like maybe an hour after we stopped recording say seven minutes after we boot and finish what we had started with Grun doll. Yes. So Jay the floor is yours Brian. How how how how how how comfortable or you right now sitting down with without crystal ball. Up your ass. It's less a prediction and more vision. Yeah. Yeah. It's gift. I don't like to talk about it sorta gift. But yeah, you know, here we are. We're paid to do a podcast, the, you know, actually, it was bittersweet because when I saw that he signed I was pissed because if we had if I had factored granddaughter signing with the brewers into the reality of the picture, I would've signed Brian dosier somewhere else. And I'm not saying I would have picked the nets. But there was a little bit of mother fucker. I was so close like. I'm a fan of the signing. Are you? Absolutely. I mean, it's to me it seems like basically a no risk proposition for the nationals one year nine million dollars. You think he's still has something left on the I do. I don't think he was. I think there's good evidence to suggest he was not fully healthy for much of last year. I think we've already seen Brian dosier best season. Like, I don't ever think. We're seeing forty two home runs again, even this inflated even in the year that he hit forty two home runs though, he hit like thirty nine of them in the last two months season. Yeah, he was it was in Saint the second was like he was hitting a Homer every fucking game of the year. Yeah. Obviously Brian dosier spray charts are like one of the funnier things. Baseball ninety nine percent of his home runs. Are are pulled right down the line. Yeah. Let me let me ask you this was there. A hint of a zachos art signing was his similar to like to the angels. Coz our acquis amid to me, it's a lot. It's a lot like that only like for far less overall dollar Ryan, right? Right. And and that's I mean, that's very discernible different. But on the whole on thinking, as you know, they're securing depth. They're they're they're not really going. You're not going above and beyond as far as coming out at a pocket for this. And it's it's going to be I guess a I mean is it a stopgap of sorts until they've got guys that they think are ready to play. Yeah. Like, I'm I'm not going to pretend to be familiar enough with the like national second base, minor league depth situation. But I mean, obviously he's going to be in his age thirty two season. Right. I prospect their prospect Carter KYW boo is this is a that. Sure. He he's there. He's their guy. So. Not like, we're super familiar diving in and breaking down the that's that's a name who's on the cusp for sure. But right. He's yet air. So so with that being said, the dosier is like I said, I want to call it a holdover. But this is somebody who provides you that depth. And who knows maybe MS here sooner than later, and I don't know well e- takes off. And now, you don't need those your or he doesn't any struggles. And you do need dosier or someone goes down in Indy. Dote got that the nationals have Howie Kendrick. Yeah. He's a play. Let Bill is playing everywhere. Yeah. Doing everything hit. Here's the thing. We've sort of been dancing around at points this off season, and I'm sure we'll get into in greater detail as we move closer to lake season prediction time, but to me like you look at the nationals rotation and the starting lineup. And I think they've done an outstanding job like filling in the yon- gome. They basically filled the catcher and second base position for. Their willingness to spend eighteen million dollars between the two of them. Like, the Indians didn't wanna pay yawn gums anymore and Yang Gomes's an above average catcher in this catching environment, and they signed Brian dosier to a one year deal. And all of a sudden you look at a lineup that doesn't feature Bryce Harper. But is still really compelling to me. And I think this is like the best if we had to pick right now, I would say they're the best team in the NFL east. And I think this is like a small movement forward in that regard. Not according to BV dubs the Mets are the best team. I think what was the quote that. He said he said something like watch out for us like get out of the way said something ridiculous to that effect where just recently that. Yeah, they come get us. I think that's he said covering Lowery signing we're talking about our starting. Our very recent. It was definitely within the last week. I'm pretty sure the quote was coming at us. All always say this though, I'll always say this, and I get it. There's a certain sense. Bravado that everybody has to carry around with them. And when the record would would you're in when you're tied for first place right now, Jared, regardless that, it's January first place. What do you want him to say? What is he? So I like it. I like it. But I feel like I feel like if I were a Mets fan that the confidence with a visible. If I were midspan I'd look at the Oakland A's and think there's no reason our team can't do that. There's no reason we can't have a core group of young guys. Just get good all the sudden, there's no reason that can happen because you know, what you've got working on the bump Dallas. I have a question specifically for you. Just try to just throw that I have a very specific question for you. So when we were talking about the nationals in their chances in in their depth chart now, they have Kurtz Zouqi behind the plate. And then I start to one. Her off. And I was like, okay, Kurt Suzuki is caught douse. Brayden probably more than any other catcher in his career. And then I went to go look at ERA by catchers that you've pitched too. Why did you pitch to Josh? Donaldson. Because Josh Donaldson was a fucking catcher you pitched to him for seven innings. It was one game. Yeah. Uh-huh. That was Libya was out two thousand nine. I do not know what year. It was look it up because I believe in two thousand nine the first my first like five starts were all five different catchers. I think what through to Jake FOX Kurt Suzuki Landon Powell Josh Donaldson the fucking bat. Boy, I I think we had a we had a clubby dress up one day, and he went out there. And caught Mikey shoutout. To you, buddy. EZ's short enough. He didn't even have to squat. He just did up in hell the glove at his face doesn't ten. Yeah. Was it twenty ten. Yeah. Member. Well, actually, I'm not even going to release this little nugget because if that's sort of a bitch that bringer of rain aka bringer of fainting is what I'm calling them right now. Because he's told us multiple times. And he's hit me on the hip. He's told me through text Joe holler at me. What's up? Give me on the pod. Let's do it multiple times. But it's fucking here. It's crickets out of the bringer rain bring nothing, but pain and agony to the starting nine listeners who are so eagerly waiting because there's a there's a cool little nugget about his a little nugget about our time together. Well, obviously, Dallas, I'm I think it's worth the wait. I would much rather get Josh Donaldson in person with both of us. Like, I feel like we don't think we've ever interviewed someone together. Right. And I'm gonna tell you this. I've actually reached out to him about that. And I'll play it on apartment of put it out. There are talked him about yo what's up, man. I would love to hook up maybe shoot some videos do some stuff especially during either your offseason right now or spring training. And he's like, yeah. Man. I'm all in. Let's let's figure it out also false on the you guys have never interviewed anybody other. Hold on. Let me think Bob Melvin. Yeah. That wasn't even who I'm thinking. There are other examples too. Think about think about the hottest God damn place. You were all summer. Washington DC. Oh, did you see on the stage for Sirius XM? That's I wasn't for the pod though. But you got that. Was you guys were right? Those those for hashtag dialed. Hashtag RIP. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot about congrats on a year to serious. Yeah. That's today's university. I forgot. Yeah. So Bob Melvin that counts. But that was that was more of like Dallas moment in the sun secure. You're interviewing your our your manager of the year. Because my manager the years is different. I got a question for you. Now. Okay. How threatened or you by the acquisitions of adamant Avinoam DJ LeMay, Hugh. Ooh. Corrobos? Don't buck in play dumb. Either. Don't add like, you don't see what the New York Yankees are doing here because I see what the New York Yankees are doing here and boy Verdoux on the network drop some knowledge about how the Mayhew fits into this club. And why he fits into this club? Not only the propensity to go the other way in us Yankee Stadium sort of as a right handed hitters paradise. If you've got the ability to swing your dick up there and drop it and launch that thing all two hundred eighty seven feet out to right-center, whatever the hell it is. But he fits in nicely. Not only because he can move around potentially until DD comes back and can entrench himself. You don't know what you're getting with too low? But they went ahead and secure that way, nothing, and I'm hey, you know, what it's I think it's just being on play. That's not even paying by what he didn't play game last year. He hasn't done a God damn thing since he left, Colorado. Oh and twenty two teen. There's now nineteen you don't have to sail like that. It's just we're we're dealing in facts here the signing of Ataman vino. It's great. He was phenomenal last year. But you lost David Robertson. All you did was David Robertson. It's the same bullpen. And you're not you or what you're not impressed by that. You don't like, they're they're great. It's a great bullpen. But that's win the World Series. Did you gotta the first round. We're not asking those questions that you're asking me if I'm scared of the Yankees. I'm just telling you that they just reconstructed their bullpen into being exactly as it was last year, which they won a hundred fucking games. The eighties are still a great team. Everyone kinda sleeps on the Yankees because the Red Sox were that much better. But the one hundred games they had great bullpen and signing atom Avino who's thirty three. I think that's you know, you're replacing Robertson. That's what you're doing. But you know, what I think it's more about accepting the fact and being okay with the fact that they did replace. David robinson. Because I think anything less anything less by ruffles feathers. Anything less might bring about an opinion. That says, well, what did we do who did we replace derive with? Well, I think this is. About as good a response as you can hope for. Yeah. Hundred percent. No, it's it's the Yankees. Here's the thing. The keys were kind of rumored to be around Machado and Harper. They haven't gotten either of them, they still could they still could get you know, either. I guess, but while they've been waiting on both of those guys they made a really they've made a lot of smart baseball moves. So I was gonna ask you this right now, let's say it in you know, what let's say the New York Yankees are completely out on either Machado and Harper Yeldham. There's just they're off there off the docket. Yeah. Do the New York Yankees. Have they currently already won the off season. I know I don't think they've won the offseason. But I think that accident James Paxton Paxton is a broken out on starter kit can't two hundred. No, I think I think they've had a legitimately wrong. And yeah, I guess this sort of touches on your same point like is hap- LeMay, Hugh Britain and out of NO the best way to spend fifty million dollars payroll. Like, I guess I just don't I guess, I just don't really understand the I-. Intellectually, I get it. They wanna fill lots of needs instead of one or two. But like, wouldn't you rather invest thirty million dollars a year in the elite asset, and then still be able to sign like you could you could have done. In terms of just twenty nineteen salary impact for fifty million dollars. You probably could have signed Bryce Harper at Amata vino and. But here, I think so you go hap- Paxton, you address needs you go LeMay, Hugh, you address a major need because of the DeeDee situation because the the idea that they're going to be able to move a glacier around and put him in the six of necessary at times because to Jarrett's point. You don't know what you're getting with too low? They've addressed needs and and almost two fold needs and depth by virtue of deeds and they've done it. Well, in my opinion, like this. It's definitely a nuts. Yeah. That's why I posed the question have they won the off season as it stands right now. Does a like like there's a Harper Machado signing singularly make any other team out there that much. Yes, exponential. If it's billions, I was just going to say I thank because they've they've done Robertson cigarette and mccutchen. Yep. Yeah. So. Well think that's about it now. Yeah. That might be it. That's it. That's for me. That would I mean that. That's yeah. I I the la- Mayhew signing is way. More interesting to me than the vino signing the vino signing is very straightforward. Like, they signed an excellent bullpen arm who to ball you need that you need to ball on nothing bad. I'm not saying bad. I'm just saying interesting like oughta vino, we all get like, they added another dynamic bullpen arm at a cost that was like the same almost the same per dollar as Kelvin Herrera, which makes no sense, right? At amount of Iino is way better extra year. Yes. But to me like the LeMay who signing is way more like their way more questions that come from that like a the obvious question. No, listen, it's not like me questioning DJ LeMay you. But I think they're resort. Okay. Yeah. Because like have you looked home road splits, for example, like you guys? You guys have spent thirty straight minutes arguing about chorus field impact as it relates to Nolan Aaron auto on this very podcast. So let me bring guests. Ring course. Hell I believe I understood what course feel I I'm not even saying he's bad. Like, I like the signing. I'm just saying like if you're Opie is two hundred and fifty points difference for your career between the two locations. I think it's at least of mild interest to see if you can replicate the look at Dallas, it's still to take something to be aware of not even take a look at because if you're taking if you're taking a look at it, in my opinion, you look at it like this we plugged the sputter right between those twin towers out there. And we celebrate over his bat to bowl skill. We appreciate his defensive capability at six four and the Bursa Tilleke he can bring and he's fucking batting title. So I'm not like I'm not like, that course, I'm not upset about. DJ LeMay you in my lineup. If I'm a New York, no one knows upset about it. I'm not going to get from these guys. Second question. You brought up the defense was he had a couple of he has he. Yeah. He he was the twenty eighteen gold glove winner the 2017 goal glove winner and the twenty fourteen go glove, LA, hey, guess what flash. Wanna know where you play deepens fucking everywhere. Not just at corresponds. So here's my question about that. His Gold Gloves have pretty much come exclusively. As a second basement. All good. Do you get like, I'm asking you? I'm not being smart as do you think? Like both of you. Do you think that defense value translates? If you're asking a guy who has very minimal professional experience playing all over the diamond to now play all over the diamond when he's when he when his impact has come basically just at second. They're pretty much telling DJ Lamaze, you we know what you can do at second base. And that's going to be your home. Intel Didi gets back you're in his here every day regularly. We need you to be able to do potentially. What I don't know what a guy like jed Lowrie has made a living doing which is being versatile everywhere in the infield when necessary but being strong in one spot. He just got paid doing that. I mean, what about about two million per less on average annual then LeMay you to your piece in out New York as thirty six year old is he thirty dubs. He's thirty six. Exactly. So I. I'm more than okay with this more than gave it and speaking since we're since we're in New York and j clearly hates DJ LeMay Hewitt. He's doing he's as asking valid questions. I don't know. I don't think either of us are I think both of us are in agreement. I initial reaction to this trade was I think this is a really good signing because I think he actually translates outside of course field. That's what I told people privately. I'm just asking questions that I think are legitimate to ask about a guy who by the way, his batting averages dropped from three forty eight to two seventy six over the last three years and opium has dropped one hundred sixty points. You're going to sandwich him. He you're going to sandwich him in between people in a lineup that I think he can take advantage of way before we move on from digital Mayhew. No one here thinks that this signing because I've seen the headlines that signing DJ LeMay, Hugh, puts the Yankees out on Machado. That's not something that's not real life. It makes it I mean, I make it likely that they're protecting themselves from the outlet. They're not just gonna they're not waiting on Machado. They're kind of saying, hey, we can't fuck and wait around and your decision. Not haven't even made him an offer yet. I think you'd be willing to pull the trigger should the opportunity really presented itself. And they were able to see that they were going to be a very real player. And there was like some serious like, okay, these pieces for let's buck in dance. If they knew that it was that real then. Yeah. I think it would be more than willing to make that move to pull the trigger. Final question for you guys before we move on from LeMay, Hugh, one of the main responses to this deal that I saw on social media was. If you want a versatile guy, why not just sign more when Gonzalez? Ooh, I sure that he was out there. Do you got? Oh, totally totally totally agree. Totally agree. 'cause I love more. Yeah. Marlins. What outfield in first-base everywhere? Do it everywhere. And again, he was a guy. Jay, kind of like what I guess I would be hoping for LeMay, Hugh in that lineup in New York. He was the guy who had success in Astros lineup for. I think some of the same similar reasons where he's guys ahead of him in behind him that afford him the opportunity to just let it eat. You brought up Lowery assured, it sure did jed Lowrie. I'm he I didn't realize because when we had him on the podcast. I got I confused myself having that having that interview not been that recently last year was his first all star season. I think when we had him on I told him statistically, what should have been all star seasons for him. Yes. He's a one time all star. But he should be a two or three time all star. One time all star has had more than one all store were the campaign. Correct. Knowledge last year love love love this signing for jed versus board beloved. Love for the Mets. Yeah. Look at for the Mets. That's what I mean. They can t that's why I say when BB dubs comes out hot with some shit. And you're like, whoa, buddy. Hey, wouldn't you throw? It wrote down into second coming out of the gate. Hot here with the I'm not afraid of anybody or whatever you say, whatever you pair of come get us or something like that. I love it. I love it. I love every minute of it. But it sightings like this that I think legitimately give you the the confidence in saying something like that. If you're if you're Brody, you realize what Jeb brings and having sat and watched him. Again. I mentioned the versatility. He went over to third base when not chatman was down for a while seamless transition over there more than serviceable. This is a guy switch hitter. So he's he's two players in one. And in my opinion, these days that's extremely valuable when you're talking about the era of the platoon always looking for an advantage is a guy who could create that link to a lineup because of his capability to hit the righties hit the lefties. He's a doubles machine, folks. Love jet lower toaster about a man named John. I'm going to step up. And just be the guy who asked the hard questions on this podcast and jed Lowrie in a vacuum makes sense. Right. Good player. Two years. Twenty million makes a lot of sense the Mets next year and the year after will pay jed Lowrie and Robinson canot a combined thirty four million dollars a year. I ask again wouldn't have made more sense particularly free team in New York to have just signed Bryce Harper or Manny Machado. I mean, the Mets have to be the mystery team on Manny Machado, like why wouldn't you be like I like Robinson? And I like jed Lowrie, but you're paying them what you could have just paid a real actual star. What for a year while they're paying them? Both of these guys for two years, and I will also put forth the jed Lowrie is going to be in his age thirty five season and Robinson can is going to be in his age age thirty. Seven thirty six season. So so does this give any validity to that? Just off the wall completely Bong replayed in thought that I threw out there awhile ago about just dropping thirty five to forty on a guy per year early just couple years. Well, it doesn't even really you. Don't even need to do that like the way that this market is. And and obviously you've had Machado's agent come out and sort of shoot down. I think it was maybe Nightingale and was a BUSTER. Yeah. It's bit. Everybody's just been a bloodbath out that seven years one seventy five and that gets shot down team. Yeah. How is every team? Not in baseball. If what's that twenty five. Yeah. Exactly. So deal like your high, and you should be fired. If you like scouts scouts lose their job for not writing reports and turning in reports on guys that have been really are like earth's r-. Round bit. Like, you just you just can't not have a report on this guy. Because if that's the case you shouldn't be doing this job. You shouldn't be evaluating talent. If you are not at the table for either one of these guys, and it's twenty five year that we're talking about it not at the table. You're not doing. Well, do you believe do you believe the Machado camp that that report is bullshit because if it's coming from multiple reporters, it's like all right? So someone's feeding them bad information it very well could be that. Like, honestly the way that the game is going the way that stuff is is transpiring. The rules are changing the rules are changing so people going out there and dropping these seeds of dropping these nuggets while five seven years ago, there might have been some ethical questioning regarding just like lying or cynical Lambda slaughter on this before the league is done this before what do you mean? I mean, if there's if there's some sort of like luge in to lower player salaries like. That's happened before. Well, I mean, there's been discussion about. It's yeah. Judgment. Yeah. That's actively happening right now. I mean, there's opinions corrobos. There's there's a pin that's hard to prove. It's very hard to prove. It's very hard to prove. But I mean, we know for a fact that it has happened before that teams can collude. I mean, I've mentioned this example for Barry Bonds two thousand seven yeah. Go go, look, very. Seven tell me that the league didn't collude to keep him out of the fuck rap as just a rabbit hole that we cannot go down. Romi down fucking one of those helmets that have the lights on it that the coal miners used story down one of those down that rabbit hole. No, you know, you know, and we're going to do this. We're doing it next week when he next week is the hall of fame podcast. I don't think he's getting this year. But he's always not next year for sure. If Barry Lamar bonds gets inducted into the hall of fame in twenty twenty we're going we're doing a live pod in Cooperstown. New York because Michael Kurtz, going next year too. So we have Barry Lamar the original rocket and my uncle Kurt in the same hall fame. Class would would was jeeter jeeter's on the ballot next year to write wouldn't wouldn't that be just a life? Oh, yeah. That'd be a tremendous sheet her and those three I mean that's going to. That's why I wanna keep Okla Kurt off the podcast until he gets in. I'm not letting you say anything, that's. To deter voters away from supporting you. Do that work on his own. We will. But by not allowing him on. We are actively trying to do our so Kurt you are suspended from starting nine until after the voting next year because he's right. I wanna say. If you what is it not Mr. Tibbs on Twitter who put together the voting percentages about about forty four percent of the ballots have been accounted for and bonds Clemens, and schilling are almost identical in voting percentage. And they're about like seventy three seventy four percent. So obviously like Jay said on a previous podcast, you got to scale down. Like Edgar Martinez is like ninety something percent moas. One hundred percent ROY halladay is ninety something percent. Those guys are getting in. But if you have schilling Clemens bonds are all hovering around but still below seventy five percent that says to me they're getting in next year. That's all fine and dandy. That's all shit that we can chew on next week when the Hofer class. Is announced I've never been asked for something more than I've been asked. I mean, nobody cares about me alternately on Twitter. But I've been asked seven that's not true about the Harold Baines rant. Oh. And I I promise you I it is coming next week because all of the hall of fame content will be contained within that hot piping podcast. Yes. So Russell Martin keep your eyes Bill. Russell Martin that. Do anything for anybody? I mean, this is basically just accounting for the dodgers, right? Yeah. This is this is helping Austin Barnes out. That's really what it is. It's an affordable opportunity for that office to bring back a guy who you know, what there's some Nostalgie here. He started his career as the dodgers. Remember, he was also converted third baseman. You gotta remember that. So what he can do behind the plate for these guys. I think is ultimately where his value lies. He believes if you talk to him he believes that the offense of lack of production last year was an aberration. He's got more on the tank. I believe that as well. I'd like to believe that at least that's just me trying to trying to pump some positivity. This dudes way because he is good, dude. And I think the willing to do anything mentality. Just put me in coach I'm ready to play. I think that blue collar mantra can help off into that global. If you're yeahs money Grondahl, how how nauseating is it to look at Russell Martin's contract knowing what your offensive production has been compared to what his Ben over pretty much the life of that deal. Right place, right time, man. Well, you saw grand all like basically comment on that too. Right. No. So he he was asked basically, I don't know exactly how the. Question was phrased. But he was he was asked about the Mets supposed- sixty million dollar offer the four year he said, quote, I felt like part of my responsibilities. A player was to respect the guys that went through this process before guys like Brian McCann, Russell Martin yada, air Molina. These guys who established markets and pay levels for upper to your catchers like me, I felt like I was doing it service. If I were to take some of the deals that were being thrown around Perkin Rosenthal. I wanted to keep the line moving especially for younger players that are coming up to let them know if you're worthy than you should get paid what you're worth. That's where I was coming from. So that's not. I mean, that's that's beautiful. And that's not a direct aero directly at Russell or any one of those three. That is that's spoken. Not a spoken like a true union member in my opinion. Yes, somebody who understood exactly what we need to do as players keep the liar. You you you do what you look again. And maybe this is me just, you know, fresh off spending a week with some of the guys that I grew up watching play the game and have a ton of respect for. But I know that I wouldn't have been in the position I was in to be able to make money if they would have done what they did before me. So I just I always appreciate that. So that's that's really cool to hear. It's really cool to hear at Hurndall. And speaking of Grendel, this is just a I guess to circle back and put a bow on him. We talked about him, obviously at the end within that Larry have of the last. I heard how're we didn't really have the details of everything, but we do now. One year sixteen mill shot there's an option at sixteen mill for twenty twenty no eighteen to five or eighteen to excuse me for twenty twenty and then a two point two five million dollar buyout. Should they not like what they're seeing a said a mutual option? For twenty twenty team option. We for them for the Bruce. So. I don't know if I still. Yeah. I I don't know. 'cause obviously have to look at it from both sides the first being it's it's pretty I don't wanna say shocking feel like that's a little too overdramatic. But highly surprising that Grondahl signs a one year deal. But then you you hear his thought process behind it. You know, like, okay. I mean, if that's the if the highest average annual value can come to you on a one year deal, and you wanna keep the line moving for the guys behind you. All right. More more power to you. Plus, you go to a a hitter friendly ballpark out imagine that he's going to continue to mash and the defensive miscues were kind of an aberration. Good pitch. Framer? I can see him going back onto the open market year from now. And I I mean you can easily if he was if you is sifting through four year deals. That he didn't deem, you know, acceptable by by his standards and the standards of players like him. I can see him getting a two or three year deal. If he if he puts up another Yazdani Grondahl type season oddities coming off a down year. You know, if he was coming off a down year, it would make a lot more sense. But I there's still a high chance that he recoup the money that he could have made on a on a four year deal. This winter. Yeah. Look, here's the bottom line is money run. All is is not hurting for money. He's he, you know, he's obviously in a in a position where he can continue to cash out on himself, which I think this is the beginning of that. And it's really cool. He's in a position to sort of way, some things outside of just I guess the fine. Details of fine tooth details. Of the baseball stuff. I thought it was really interesting his his wife and his child, frankly have a lot to do with this signing if you here, and this is kind of cool to hear he talks about how important it is for him to be around his family right now and to have the opportunity to be near his kids and talking to his wife, spring training being in Arizona, kind of provides them with that opportunity. So corrobos you've gotta do who. Honestly for me. For me. That's that's a look inside. He's he's not that so pysche either. And I think you'll like to have somebody like that steering the ship of a rotation. So you've got to be appreciative of that with you. So. And when you think about era zone across I just came from Arizona. You did the Grun dolls will be headed to Arizona. Yeah. And I encourage everybody to get their ass to AirAsia or spring training. Now, I just left it was raining. But thank God. There's no pitchers and catchers, they're mandatorily yet pitchers catchers are stirring, though, go spring training is on the horizon boys on the horizon. Beautiful. Sunrise this morning as I left beautiful Mesa. Arizona. Beautiful sunrise beautiful mountains, Joshua tree is I headed back into California. I didn't get to do the zip-lining. Like I wanted to. I had the wife and kid there's probably some issues with an eight month pregnant, lady hanging by ankles doing zip lines. So we're going to have to revisit that one. The ATV's were also a no go. The ATV's pregnant ladies they've got issues with that as well. That's weird which it's hard. I under- to see I understand where they're coming from. What was really cool is we left Mesa where the as play Holcomb stadium and at about fifteen minutes rebel to cruise by the new cubs joint out there in. Oh shit was not good. You're maybe I think it was not too far away. But again, that's just two teams within about ten minutes of each other, which means ultimately four teams during spring training that you could go and catch in a matter of fifteen twenty minutes away ten different stadiums all told fifteen different major league teams and the best part about spring training early. Is you're not frying your ass off. It's about seventy five eighty five nice, high sky, beautiful, son. No clouds. You got the zoo in town. It's an awesome awesome joint within fifty miles boys. You. Can catch anywhere from two to fifteen different teams that is a lunacy. Now, I know you like to eat drink while you're out there as well. You crap guide drops you Ruge bedtime craft brew guy row. Four peaks. Angel's trumpet, ale house, Goldwater brewing company, the list goes on and on my friend Tempe. Marketplace this join us pop and there's a ton going on my boys revolution. Boy, Jay book. They're going to be jamming out there Ray gay fest. They've got live music local national artists all around all kind of awesome shit. Like this pop off in Arizona. This is what spring training is so cool about the grunt dolls know what three trading is all about. They know where to go. So you know, where to go to crops you a jet skier promise funny story. I've only been on a jet ski once. It was awesome. Loved it. Didn't know how to stop. So when I when I took it back to the boat house. I crashed into all the other jetskis. Yeah, they didn't use to make jetskis with breaks if you're super filthy rich, and you have sweet shit like that they have jetskis with breaks, and they're super fun. I don't know that that would help you anymore. But what you and I can do is. We'll go up in the hot air balloon tour that I promise Joya, and we'll be able to see the late that we can then go jet skiing on and it'll take you maybe you'll have to ride behind me, and and hold onto the chest of my life preserver because I know how to operate one of these PWS's personal watercraft. That's acronym for personal watercraft. Gotcha. Yeah. They got they got a lot of these personal watercraft type stuff to do out there in China. So we can hike up Camelback show you the hot air balloon site will go up in the hot air balloon or show. The lake that we're gonna go jet skiing, and then from there, we can go crush a ridiculous dinner because for me, that's one of the best places. One of the one of the best places for food period in the desert. I feel like exclusively eat steaks when we're together. Do how the stakes in Arizona tell you right now. And I think all big leaguers would agree the beef in Arizona. Oh, buddy. Arizona spring training. The beef is a bound by the beef is about they got great sushi out there to rob. I've never had sushi. I'd love to maybe try it the fishes fantastic Zona, Jerry the fish, especially around spring training. The fish is to die for my friend of good. Try some of that, you know, who helps you out with all this year who our friends at visit Arizona dot com slash spring training. So visit our folks visit era Zona dot com slash spring training, and you can book your spring training getaway. Today. Come holiday boy, color, boys. We're going to be out there gonna be out. There will actually probably on the next pot. We'll let you know the dates I think we actually confirmed the dates I'm just too lazy to get them right now. So that's why I said the next pot oak in theory. We could dull them right now. I just don't really have them handy. The art of the TS, plus TS big-league tease took the bulls. Did I tell you what I got for Christmas? No, tell me right now got a really cool gift of this sounds like an ad. It's not. A close personal friend of mine. Reached out to Travis Shah. Okay. You know, how I gave him the nickname the mayor ding Dong city. I do know that and he wore mayor of DC on players weekend. He did. So this friend of mine bought the jersey sent it to Travis Shaw. He personalized it says stop it. It says to rocket yes. To rocket thanks for the nickname. And then he signed it. And now that jersey isn't like a it's framed and like a shadow box. Oh my God. So you have to throw that pair of pants away. Yes. I it was destroyed. It was not black light safe. That's for sure. Puncture all over self. Then. That's a really cool. That's a really cool fucking. Thanks, very that frayed, right. There side note that friend you should consider family. Yeah. That's very like a sent something that I will because most of the shit that I get for Christmas. It's like it's either gone in a year. It's like, I'm never. Gonna use this. But that was a great gift for a guy that you 'cause you I'm sure for your family, you fall into that category of what do you get the who has everything? I mean, the red literally tweeted that right? Is that I wasn't. I wasn't going to say that because I'm not going to blow you. But yeah, I get that you want to know what I got Christmas, which is pretty cool. I didn't I was kind of on the fence about tweeting this out just you know, the world we live in. But I got throwing axes throwing knives. A target night goggles. Why and Gillies suit let the fuck I feel like all you need is like ninjas. Got you do have niches stars. I do you would. Like what you? Just. Feeling stars. If I'm not sure that I would be like a big like acts throwing guy I see those bars popping up all over the place now, but oh, yeah. They've got him in Santa Monica ours. They're strolling blurs down here in LA. I'm sure they got the shooting. Arizona. That'd be a tremendous date. That would be awesome sound super-safe alcohol and drawing axes mix. Mix. Maybe. Anyways, we get Cody Bellinger pumped cast got to talk to him for a little bit. He didn't. I had the one question that I want to really get an answer on didn't quite get it as I was fishing on one of those questions, you let's let's kick it to the interview. And then and then after we listened to it, you can I'll let you guess which one it was Cody Bellinger. All right. We are here with the twenty seventeen and L rookie of the year. Two time National League champion, Cody Bellinger. How we doing? I'm doing good. How about you guys doing? All right. We're doing it. Right back and forth. He was talking about earlier how he was in Arizona. You're an Amazon right now. Actually, let's start there. Let's start there with with your workout routine because you played in all one hundred sixty two games last season. And then you have a back to back World Series appearances. How do you sort of train your body for a full season of baseball knowing that there's a pretty good chance that you're going to be going deep into October on top of that one sixty two. Yeah. I mean, that's I think when you play it seem like the dodgers you prepare in January that you're gonna play until October every single year, you know, if that you know, we have short off seasons, and you probably take a week or two off. And then you get right back into jam. But I think the biggest thing is thanks legible and obviously getting stronger, but getting to a point where you can maintain it and stay healthy all year round. Well, you know, so you guys you you're talking about training you're talking about how to prepare the body, bro. How do you relax the body? Because when I think a lot of people don't really understand is when you talk about getting ready in January to play through October. Like, you do the math there. There's not much time for downtimes for fucking or an art to chill out. So how do you how do you get away from the game because you're out there in the desert, you're Scottsdale? I love me the desert just left Mesa. But what do you? What do you do to to just Marigny? You know what I'm saying to get away from the game. What have you been doing this Altis? Man. Honestly, I don't do much. I think the thing that I loved to do in the offseason golf. Of course, the same thing. What course out there? I've got I've got my my favorite one adult out right now is TV. Sees got still sure it's pretty nice and not too expensive. But do you ever? Do you ever game too? Great. He gave us great. No, it's not great. Oh, even better that we could play around because I was gonna I was gonna talk some shit. But now that you're not good now. Now you and I we could play a little playing field. Yeah. I'm probably high nineties two hundred every time he goes like just like fastball jeered. In Dallas is he probably never broke eighty five in the big leagues. So let's just talk about that. Then talk about this. Fastball velocity. I talked to a scout. Who is like these guys that are playing now the hitters at least it's fucked. What they have to deal with when when it when it turns into the sixth inning. It's like all right. Every dude has ninety eight in his back pocket. And obviously you see north of that. As someone who has played multiple levels of baseball now and your at the big league level. How much of an adjustment is it for you. How much of a while factor? Is it when you see someone pumping out ninety eight to one hundred two miles an hour. You know, you saw Nathan evolved in the World Series throwing one oh to what is it like for for a guy in the batter's box to make that adjustment. Yeah. Definitely not easy. You get the guys, you know, even starters nowadays starting so hard. But I mean once you get sick seventh in you're probably not saying anything under ninety five. So I think the biggest thing that hit or learn how to use that to your aggressiveness, and your your strengths. But like I said it looks easy on TV. But he wanted to get in that batter's boxes come in ninety six with high spin rate. It's it's tough. But that's what you gotta do perform. You gotta hit that eventually, and I will say it. It sounds crazy. But if you keep seeing it it is definitely able is it coming. That's intimidating or that's the scary part. That's the scary part about you mother fuckers is they can time a bullet corrobos time. They can time it bullet. If you give them the opportunity. That's what's so dangerous about these hitters. That's why frankly belly. I I kinda like watching Gators get abused at times with the one on one one or two. But that's when I tip my cap as well because I've seen you turn that shit around that is that is that just something I don't I can't wrap my head around at this stage. I just cannot. Yeah. I mean, I'm I mean, it's not it's not easy. And it's never gonna be easy. But at the end of the day if you can't you won't be in the big leagues so prepare for and in batting practice at not the hard machine or getting short BP. But you just gotta prepare for it. And know that eventually you're gonna have to face it. It's probably two or three times a series, right? So we mentioned the World Series earlier referred to you as a two-time nationally champion when you hear yourself referred to as a two time National League champion is is there a sense of pride for what those two teams accomplished. Or is there like a, you know, sort of like a negative reminder of how those two seasons ultimately ended or was it just a mixture of both. I mean, I'm not gonna be disappointed in winning the nationally division. Two years in a row, obviously, we didn't reach our end goal. But for me to have two seasons in the big leagues to reach as far as I did. Or as far as he did as a team is the the success story in itself. So so what is you played you played in the Little League World series? And then you you make it to the big leagues two years in the bigs and you've been in the World Series bowl times. Like are you kind of just to to the helmet now? Sorry about your. No. I mean, it's always gonna be there. I mean when you said on that line for game one of the World Series. It's still it's always going to be surreal. I think I'm gonna how many World Series played and just because you did watch it every single year or I did at least on TV. So for me to be part of that is always special in a weird way did the Little League World series prepare you for some of these big moments as a big leaguer because I mean. Yes. You know? I mean like, that's that's on national TV like that. 'cause my my hometown went to the Little League World series and those kids when they came back, we're morphed morphed into just different athletes because they've been on TV they play baseball on national TV. So that didn't that didn't affect you whatsoever. No, I wouldn't say there's a correlation to I think back, then you're Levin. Twelve years old. I mean, I know me or our team. I don't even think that we care about flying on ESPN funding front of a crowd. And yeah. You're going. Our first interview on TV listening to listening to news and senior highlights on it was the was cool part. Yeah. I forget if it was MLB network ESPN, but someone showed a graphic of major leaguers that had played in the little the Little League World series. And then they showed their swings back then and compare them to their swings now and a lot of them were almost identical. So do you think that for you because you know, you come up to the big leagues year one you're launching thirty nine bombs has how much has your swing in your mind evolved over the years? Yeah. I actually I noticed that too. I think the way you grow up your swing is gonna be that same. Maybe not the way you attack the ball. You might switch up your hands or your feet, but your swing in general most likely going to be similar just because that's how you always swung. So I don't know. I think people change up the way you get to your as swings. But they said the actual Swinney in itself is sometimes really similar. Hey, so we're talking about you. Obviously splitting time between the outfield between the infield talking about preparing your body for this along gated championship season that you just end -ticipant that you expect of yourself naturally. What are you doing differently during spring training that maybe you didn't do early on in your career? No, hey, you know, what I'm going to be in the Bill. But now, hey, you're bringing more than one glove to the yard bringing more than one glove down from the clubhouse. How do you prepare? What are some drills that you're doing now just for the for the young kids that are listening at home for the guys that wanna play multiple positions because that's something that we kinda stress? You don't get pigeonholed into one sport. But specifically try to be an athlete as well. I mean, you're going from bucking centerfield over to first base that not everybody's got that clear in the bag. How do you know what I'm saying that takes for me, I actually shit like that takes talent that takes athleticism. That's not lost on me. So what are you doing to pregnancy? Well, it's a little different for me. Because I even in the minor leagues, I was majority first baseman. So as of now, I would usually be taking ground balls on the dirt. But now he on I'm focusing on field. What I'm more? Now is Jill and I f- and because my natural Bill is gonna take over when I'm out, but I gotta do better job of helping myself get that I in in reading ball. And I think the only thing that's going to change the spring training for me is instead of doing ground balls. I I'll take out feel drills first. And then I'll go to I as I feel other than that. I'm probably going to do the same drills that I did. And just with a little more understanding of what I'm doing up there. I got a question for you. 'cause you're you're twenty three years old. And there's been a lot of talk about, you know, the this the revenues in baseball are. Up. But the average age of a baseball fan keeps going up as well. It's something like fifty something years old as a younger guy. What is it that drew you to baseball because I go back and look at that twenty seventeen World Series against Houston. And that was one of the most exciting series. I think that's ever been played in the history of the game. So what is it to you that that draws you to baseball so much as a younger guy? Oh, I think I had a little different story. Just because I had the opportunity or my dad has an opportunity in the big leagues. Right. And I was lucky enough to be a part of that in the clubhouse. So I kind of felt and the but Hurley. But I mean, I don't know that I obviously growing clubhouse, but I wanted to play baseball my whole life. I mean that was decent at soccer and basketball. But it was I never really had passion for those sports. So it was for me. It was baseball only. You know, what I I want? I want to ask you something just kind of get into your mindset a little bit here because I just left a fantasy camp out there AirAsia. That's what I was doing my my coach for the week former teammate of mine former rookie of the year Bobby Crosby, and he was asked does hearing rookie of the year and did hearing rookie of the year throughout his career sort of remind him of a time that he was always trying to get back to does it. Remind him mentally of production that he is always trying to either equal or surpass and how did he deal with that? If that was on his mind, so for you, obviously you step onto the scene dropping dick thirty nine different dimes rookie of the year. You take the fucking world by storm. And there's something there's a certain cachet you start to walk around town. With my brother. We know this. You're like a shiny striper straight out of the ocean. So so now now I asked you when you hear that what I mean, what do you think is that sort of a baseline or you is that the foundation this is where belly goes from here. What do you think when you hear that when because you get to sign from here on out for the rest of your life? Are y you know, what I'm saying that never goes away, bro. Yeah. It's definitely special. I mean by far the craziest year my life that I've had so far. But the I mean, I think the biggest thing people say that is like a reminder to say you have success in the league. And no one could have stopped you that year. And I think you know, when you go through the minor leagues you have success. And you think you're good. But you really don't know how good you are. So you get to the big league level. And I mean, I don't know. I think that's going to be like a step for me. And hopefully, I can you know, do a lot better than that in the future. But it's going to be reminded for me that what I did was special and that I belong come in in the show. So right now like this was one of the most anticipated free agent classes of all time, and you've got Bryce hopper and you've got Manny Machado out there. And obviously Manny made some comments during the postseason about the hustle and all that whatnot. And he's got a certain reputation the league. Can you speak to him now as as a former teammate of Manny Machado, what type of teammate are we re dealing with here because I Buck Showalter managed him for multiple years and had nothing but great things to say about Manny Machado the person. So what can you say about many Machado as a teammate having played with him and having gone to battle with him in the postseason? Yeah. I got nothing bad to say about him either. Honestly, he came in. And he wasn't self. He's obviously really confident on ability as should be one of the best hitters in the game. But we have hitters meeting every day. He gave us advice on what he's going to do against a certain pitcher. And what he thinks they're gonna do to us. I mean, I don't know. I think he's a phenomenal player. So I got nothing bad to say about him at all. He was a great team when I was with them for for a month or month, or whatever it was. So I mean, honestly, I it was it was a cool experience we played with them. So you've obviously you've only played under Dave Roberts as a manager talk about, you know, this is a guy who's won manager of the year. What I guess what's what what are your biggest takeaways from being able to play under a guy like Dave Roberts at the big level. I think he just gets you confidence. You extremely positive. And I don't know. I think we have such a good group of guys in our clubhouse that or me when I was up two years ago. They just helped me feel comfortable right away. Wasn't you know, never racking? Although you're seeing kershaw's name up there and Andre ear, and and all those guys that it should be nerve wracking, but they and self and everybody does a great job and make you feel comfortable and making sure that you know, that you belong there. And we obviously mentioned two for two two big league seasons to World Series appearances. What were the biggest differences between the twenty seventeen Astros in the twenty eighteen Red Sox? The differences. I don't know. I mean, they're both teams are two different teams. But I mean, I think the Red Sox not you're probably the best team league. And and they showed it. So I don't know it sucks. Backed about roads area, not coming out with the ring tell you that much, but how much does that motivate you as you prepare for twenty nineteen. Yeah. No doubt. Any I think. I don't know. I think we're gonna be better prepared for this year. We we also went through in seventeen but that was our first time and majority of the guys went back through seeing eighteen so it's gonna be a time to reflect on it probably for a minute. And then you know, it's gonna go down to our goal is real serious yet. And I think we're gonna have really good opportunity to and obviously we mentioned earlier how you played one hundred sixty two games and twenty eighteen is that is that one of your personal goals at the beginning of the year is, you know, a I want to be good enough to be on that lineup card every single day and be I want to be healthy enough to be in the lineup every single day. And do you think say, hypothetically, Dave Roberts approaches you and he says, well, we wanna we wanna limit that that your fresh for the postseason is that something that you'd be receptive to or would you say, hey, like skip. I wanna be out there every single day to help this team. Yeah. I wanna play every day. I mean, I'm young. So I'm tired, but I have know using the older guys that are doing the same thing every single day. So on body fresh right now, and I want to be in the lineup every time the Tony. No, no, no. We go one last question. I got one last question for you that we ask every one of our guests that you could go back in time and take in any moment in baseball history. What would it be? Life. You're there live. I wanna see. I mean, I don't know. What comes my mind? I wanna see they actually pointed. Or if you didn't because no one really knows for sure. Yes. Probably did probably probably I'd I don't think so did use too. If you ask me who knows? We'll see this this debate, right? Here speaks exactly to cody's point. Yeah. True. Nobody knows nobody knows. I Cody clearly has the belief. I have the belief, and that's all the matters. The two leaders believe it see so piss off barely concerts, Aaron, yes, he's a big leaguer about you. For shit. Thanks. Scotty. I picked co-develop differ cone on the podcast. Do you know what question I'm talking about? I I don't I still don't I don't as like, you know, I heard you drop the, you know, a, well, how does it feel? What was the word SOX? All I said was what would what were the biggest differences between playing team like the Astros in the World Series and playing the Red Sox? And I wanted to be like the Astros. Now's a great seven game series. And the Red Sox is fucking steamroll is soon as you asked it, I will like through the through the Skype vision. I wanted to joke you for him. I mean, I wanted to him an opportunity to hype up the Astros and be like, yeah. That was an exciting series. Like a lot of people are paying attention to it. You know, we really thought we had them there. And then when he's talking about the Red Sox, we knew we had no fucking chance and that area. So when we go to Zona, I need you to be available for him to just dunk all over he's got he's got Amy. What's he going to say to me? Maybe he wants to physically take action may to say to you. I don't think I angered him. I was just curious like I want. I was prompting him to say that the Red Sox were unstoppable force that the dodgers. She would have said to you. What I would. I hope he was thinking anyway, which was little motherfucker right now. Yeah. Hope he I think he was feeling that. I'm sure he would have if he knew who I was in like if I'm a Red Sox fan. I he has no idea who I am. So if he knew that though, then he would have known what I was trying to do otherwise, it's just like, I'm just asking the question just ask. So maybe we'll have to revisit this spring training. I'll I got no problem. Chirpin douse. That little Red Sox lure that you throughout he didn't bite on. Now. He did let those his too bad. As is really complicated and confusing. You know, what else is complicated and confusing. I can tell you Jared. I can tell you because I my friend have been there done that. Sometimes you want to go somewhere. Sometimes you got an event that you want to get your hands on you need a seat. But you can't find it out. I do we go about this. How do we go about this specially during Christmas because I actually use this service for my my Christmas shopping. Really? Oh, yeah. We're shopping yet. Shoutout to seatgeek because of seek Ellen corrobos is basically like sitting in fucking Hootie and the blowfish is lap for concert in August. She here merry Christmas. You're basically in the band. Outstanding. Yeah. He'll what they were. Nice enough to allow us to basically in the third base dugout for the World Series. That's five rows on the field. Excuse me. The first face, Doug. It is. They were also nice enough to allow my brother and I to just sit fifty yard line. Second row. Saw the Dallas Cowboys Rams football game. Cowboys fan way. Too was nice enough for Hootie and the blowfish were nice enough. Who'd he was who'd he wasn't there. They couldn't make it. Yeah. 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I feel like it's much safer to kinda just throw it out and casual conversation on a podcast, then like to tweet it because once you tweet it then like people are starting to cite it, and in blogs and articles and everything and that's just that's just too much pressure anxiety for me. I'm just you know, I'm just let's have just have a casual conversation. Right. Just you like to be able to fly or Nadi? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just three friends talking a little baseball. Just throwing out some hypothetical situations that maybe possibly could happen. Maybe they don't maybe they don't I don't know. But let's play a little game called hypothetically. What if? Never heard of this. All right. So I'll just throw it like a hypothetical situation that you guys can kinda, you know, or I'll join in the conversation with you in terms of you know, how I feel about this. Hypothetically, what if the Phillies were trying to trade for Mike trout. No. I know you like right now they're trying to clear space right now. Like, hypothetically, what if what if they were just what if they're poking around on on a trade for mic drop, that'd be cool. I would ask what the hell? Are they giving up that would not gut the team? Yeah. I guess that's probably where I would start to is like what does this work? Hey newsflash. You're game sucks. This is a shitty game of the we're just it's plan hypothetical situation game. It would excite me. I'd love to see him on a team that was like not desk postseason potential down game winner. And that and that's that's about where it started instrument. What would even entertain these thought? What would? I mean. Is there any team that could trade for Mike trout right now without gutting their majorly Ross, I don't think I don't know because it's not about what a team. I like you. You're going to have to give up the form the what we're talking multiple major league ready pieces right now like these guys go from my team and out of my lineup directly into your lineup. And you're also going to be paying money for them. I'm going. Be giving you prospects as well. Here's we're talking about a guy who's the greatest baseball player on the planet, and you're gonna have him for the foreseeable future through his prime. And that's that's creeping up right now like we're there. So if you're making a move right now, buddy, you're still in everything that's worth anything in your closet right now. Yeah. I suppose though, that's like the hypothetical hypothetically. Mike trout would rip like the signing of Mike trout would fix the crack in the fucking liberty Bill. Yeah. Well, I mean, they're obviously there are reports over the last twenty four hours talking about how the Phillies are already envisioning a lineup that has Mike trout in it when he becomes a free agent after twenty twenty twenty twenty join right, and it would have my shout, and it would have one of Bryce Harper or Manny Machado in that same lineup. Why not expedite the process? I'm just saying I'm not saying that this is going to happen. I I'm just hypothetically what if as your friend. I gotta tell you when your game suck in this game. Saw that Dallas is feeling a little bit of like a west coast injury right now. Yeah, he feels like it's the east coast coming to try and get the crown jewel. The one guy out there that anybody gives a shit about any more. He's gonna come right to the east coast. He's gonna come to Philly. I mean, whether he gets straight there whether he signs the free agent he's coming the aints. Stick around on that west coast. I'm sorry to break. Its you. Good luck with Clayton Kershaw and his fucking eighty nine mile an hour fastball. Are you talking to be I give a shit? Op saying you you definitely care about the quality of west coast baseball versus the quality of east coast baseball like that's something that you care about on a personal level. Yes. It is. It is something that I don't think can even really be discussed. Wait. You decide. West coast. Baseball's better than east coast though. I know the west goes baseball is better than east coast baseball. I'm not talking about the big league level. I know you are. Yeah. 'cause I every day. I'm just thinking about like what are those high school baseball players to right now. By the way, you are by the way show dog is high one commit for the first time in a long time. Yeah. And how about that? This is where we're out here. Rob east coast east coast high school gets their I d one commit in a long time Todd. Golly. Todd trolleys Todd. He's a lanky righty throws eighty eight. He's going into his senior year. I told him. I'm gonna have to wait to get in the box interred his shit. You feel that dog D one commit at like seventeen years old already throws harder than you ever did in your life. Dallas. I was I'm totally okay with it. Okay. With it because this retired broken. I am getting all man, I want nothing more than this young man to win fourteen Cy youngs and have an eighteen year major league career, I want nothing more than that about a guy. Who's in the axe throwing business now? I think that's true. I mean, he lives minimal stress going on there. Yeah. Yeah. No. He a guy that no anger issues whatsoever. Just gone to the axe throwing as a hobby. What could go wrong nothing at all? The point. Is you got your I d one commit it in eons since they stopped delivering bilk. I mean, I committed to a D one school. They just didn't commit to me. Twitter questions two questions. Let's do it. Tim Luca at t- lad, forty four longtime listener longtime tweeter who will have a better season this year round to Darvish or area. Bonus question we'll either player lead their team to an NFL championship area. That's my answer. Okay. Well, at least you're consistent. I've I've jumped ship from the Darvish boat. Like, I'm off. Yeah. Yeah. You have. Yeah. Yeah. Official just the official. This is Jared Jugnauth yet you've taken in the life preserver from the from the SS area. And I'm and I pulled you aboard. Yeah. Like, you guys are what was the ship that came to save them. It was like the the Olympic Amani Olympic now off the Titanic. Titanic. Darvish among the Olympic wrong answer. Darvish. Tell us why I think this may be the year that Jake Arrieta. Really just. Was that mean talking or two six v last year his strikeout rate per nine innings dropped from eight point seven which it was in both twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen to seven point two last year. Not good. Hundred and thirty eight strikeouts. Fifty seven walks at one hundred seventy two and two thirds innings, and he are a just under four. There's a lot of questions with Darvish, but one of the few questions, I I don't really if he pitches, I think he's going to pitch. Well, and I'm not nearly as confident about that with area. I I think there's some room for Darvish to win. This bet. Let me tell you a little Toy Story here. Okay. So I just spent a week right fantasy camp. One of these gentlemen that I spent a week with ties to the Texas Rangers organization. Civically has ties to the Texas Rangers rehab program. This is an individual that. I've talked to at length in had questions for at linked just about rehab processes stuff. A brilliant mind that I respect tremendous Mendes and. He seems to think, and I guess we'll bode well for J. He seems to think I think the same thing the things if you Darvish his back, and he's healthy. He he. He thinks that you know, what garbage is a guy that he always spilt would be able to compete would be able to to deliver is he there now. So this I'm just talking about a guy who's been familiar with garbage as Darvish put this in his rear view mirror in Chicago. I don't know. I don't know either. But I don't think the last the the book has been written on you Darvish is career, nor do I think it's been written on his Chicago chapter. No, I don't think that last year was indicative of how the future is going to go. I just I don't know. I guess the the please like me stuff. Rub me the wrong way. I think that was misinterpreted do you? Yes. I do not actually misinterpreted like as in the translation was incorrect. I think just like I think that was a guy who was ignoring what many more baseball players would acknowledge if they didn't think they were going to get criticized which is that the opinions of other people and the fans matter. And I think people are impacted like that as I imagine you or I would be if thousands of people were booing us or generally displeased with our performance. I mean, that's just the barstool comment section. Yeah. That is true. You go through that booed every day. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's nothing closer to the real life. That's the barstool daily radio read it thread every day. That's the comment section every day. Boy, not reading that has been a pleasure. Yeah. This is from rob Leonard at rob Leonard three I so we sort of this is not the same question as last week where somebody asked us if going to spring training or a bunch of games all over the country by themselves was lame. That was an unequivocal. No, it's not lame this one. I think is a little bit more gray. I'm twenty two and going to spring training. Am I too old to be eight? He uses the term fan girl and ask players for autographs. That's there. I'm deferring to your the baseball. You're the former big leaguer. How do you feel? There's I mean, there's a there's a couple of different ways to look at this one or you walking around with your binder that has two full pages of cards of like guys like me, or or you showing up with like one or two cards that you've had for awhile or like a hat that you've bought or that was given to you that you'd like to get signed by your favorite player, whatever like there's different levels to the autograph game. The peak autograph seeker is known as a green fly. That's the individual who has a page full of everybody's cards on the forty man roster. So when they see him in bigly Cam there waiting around. They're waiting around the entrances there waiting around the parking lot for waiting around the batting cages where the fans might have access to wherever these red velvet ropes. Stop. These green flies are. Buzzing about right there. Beckoning beckoning ruining frankly, the autograph seeking experience for kids the kids who show up with a ball that dad bottom or mom bottom. And they said all right. You got this ball? You got this pin? Go ahead. You know, where the players are. We look we look for little kids like that. Because we know what that's doing for those kids. The problem is you gotta bucking Wade through the assholes who have all of these binders shit that they're just trying to get signed multiples of you. So that they could slang them and sell them and trade them amongst the other. Green flies kills it for the little boys girls were there to make memories and just have have something cool to take home. So if you're the twenty two year old who's on the verge of becoming a green fly, I'm gonna tell you to just stay at home. Start your skin fired your basement and Google your favorite player and don't be a weirdo. So, but I don't think you're that guy. I don't think you're that guy. I don't think you're that band. I think you're absolutely somebody who just wants to go like, hey, man. I think it'd be cool. Get some. Autographs, it'd be a ball or a half that I'd be able to take a pin it whatever that would be able to just commemorate this this time in my life. So absolutely by all means show up. Get a ball. Get a hat. Get a pendant and get your team's fucking autographs. Absolutely. Yeah. I think for me even now like, I'm still interested in autographed. Memorabilia like I got a like a framed like cower of junior. It was like it was like a picture of Cal Ripken junior. And then where the ball meets the bat. It was like a mounted baseball. There was signed by Ripken. And it's like this big shadow box like shit like that. I'm not going to obviously go to a ballpark. Hey, can you please sign my baseball. But like that doesn't mean that I'm not interested in in getting autograph memorabilia like I have. I don't know if you've ever seen pictures of like my room in Ellen's basement, but it is preposterous. I have up until. Probably two thousand eight I have signed eight by ten from every significant player in Red Sox history like all of them, and it was in chronological order like I started in the early nineteen hundreds. And then it just wrapped around the whole room row by row by row by row. And then I had like they were all in like these black frames? And then I have the retired jersey numbers that are in the thick like black with gold rim frames. So it's like you've got literally like it would go from like the the forties to the fifties sixties seventies eighties nineties, and then I have specific walls for like the championship teams like these guys won a championship together. So there's like the four wall and the oh seven wall. And then there's a thirteen team. And then someday I'll probably build like I haven't been in the autograph game for like, I don't know pro- probably. Yeah. My help Biggs is fucking basement. I've never seen the basement I've never will have never seen. The front door more of more window anyway. Laugh too. We're United front. Yeah. That's right. Forget. He needs to hold up. Just roll off. Yup. I I lost there. Their refocus. I get you though. I like. Like, I will when I buy a house when I moved back to Boston by a fucking house. I'm going to take all that shit from like my parents house, and I'll have like an office, and I'll put all that shit in there. And then I will as a thirty something year old man, build my two thousand eighteen World Series champion collection. Like, I'll do that. Like, I like that's something that I enjoy doing. I can't wait to come have dinner at rocket. She should get wait. I feel like I think you know, what Dallas I'm gonna I'm gonna buy in eight by ten of of the final out of actually not even at eight by ten I want I want like a bigger one. I want like a big picture of the final out of your perfect game. And I want you to personalise in sign it to me. I don't know if you want your guest reading that. That's one day. I will get that done. I'll put it right in my office would be more than happy. That'd be great. The general. Oh, go ahead. I was going to move onto the next question. We're to oh, the German Mamba at Kenneth Twenty-two Mamba who is one player on your team that was never anything special. But for some reason you loved and never wanted to see leave. His is Cesar is tourists with the dodgers. I already know my answer. Sar is tourists with what's what's your answer? Because I mean like I'm going back to the giants. And I'm just trying to think. You know, what I would probably say. I might say Royce Clayton. Yeah. Two thousand seven World Series champion, Boston Red sock Royce Clayton Royce Clayton also Royce Clayton. I mean, I don't even think he played a an inning in the playoffs. You might have. I just I otherwise, I I have I honestly have zero zero reason as to why voice clear is my selection are just he was always one of my one of my favorite players, Calvin Reese, better known as pokey Reese, he only played. He only played one game. No, you only play one season with the Boston Red Sox. It happened to be two thousand four. I loved pokey Reese, I have. I have a Shaer's -i. That says Reese, I have a shirt that says pokey, and I have a batting practice pokey Reese jersey, and if you go to put my my pokey Reese autograph is on its own wall. And if. If you go behind the framed autograph of pokey Reese, you'll find the condom wrapper from when I lost my virginity is behind my pokey, resod graph. Wow. Wow. Manetti. So there's probably what couple of hairs from your knuckles on that thing skin, follicles. I mean, you could probably sell that on EBay right now for at least like thirty five is that why they call your your little guy pokey. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Reese was an electric baseball player poke you the rocket fielded the ground ball that completed the comeback against the Yankees. And the two thousand four LCS what a guy what a guy. So you guys remember how he played fuck. Mary kill last week due with household structures. Yes. That was a big hit. I think so this is more baseball related but of these American League teams that failed to win a World Series. Who would you fuck Mary and kill twenty eleven Texas Rangers 2013, Detroit Tigers or the 2016 Toronto Blue Jays. Wow. Oh surprising to pick the twenty fifteen Bluejays. I'm gonna I'll start this off. The sixteen Bluejays made it to the LCS. Correct. Yet gay team that got dusted and five game. Okay. You know, what the Tigers killing the Tigers. Because wait, are you fucking them or you killing fuck that Tigers killing them? Yeah. Let's book the Tigers killing him sort of feel the shit. Yup. Killing tigers. They beat the as one eleven D, S heart. Don't kill me. Tired to hell with them. Orlando was filthy mega hit a bomb of sunny. I believe. Yeah. I want that. So fucking kill the tires to hell with them. I'm a a Marion the Jays strictly because I'm a massive fan of Toronto. This is wrong answer. No. It's not no not this is the right answer. I'm also marrying the Jays because I like Patine I like the I like the greenery the Canadians are working with these days up north. And yeah, the tower has a special place in my heart. What is going on through? Through. So that's why mayor the Jays. And and look the Rangers. I fucked the Rangers because. Boys. My wife is a country girl, and I'll just say this about Texas. You could meet five to seven women at a gas station that you could probably marry based on accents alot. Yeah. So yeah. Jackson all day Buckingham. This one's hard for me. Because I. I mean, I'm a motion attached to all these teams like I just had some studs. That's also why Buckingham I'm a huge Josh Hamilton fan. Yup. Hamp boat me Koroma's, I told you I went to the two thousand ten World Series in Texas. I went and San Francisco. Yeah. I went I saw the clincher. I saw game five cliff Lee versus Tim wants him. I saw our boy we's close out a World Series title from like the fun fifty thousand throw. That World Series and ten I don't know. This one is hard like I feel like. Sixteen was also the year that anchor Nacion that was the Zach Britton in the in the bullpen year. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I personally enjoyed the twenty fifty like I feel like all these are like the year before like I like thousand ten Rangers more than two thousand eleven Rangers. And I like the two thousand fifteen Blue Jays more than the two thousand sixteen Blue Jays. Yeah. I like the fifteen Blue Jays fifteen Bluejays would definitely better. Yeah. About flip. That's a reason. These are wrong. The answer is we're killing the Blue Jays. Why they were the weakest of those of the three teams that we're talking about. Sure. But they lost ale us four two. And then they lost in the AL one consecutive years of saying like they didn't even make it to the fucking World Series. No, like, I know that the Tigers the twenty thirteen Tigers lost the Elsie us, but they lost the series the year prior. And they lost in the. The year prior to that they lost the Red Sox already knew that answer. I actually clicked like I was like he wanted to know they were they were the better team though. I mean, the Red Sox just clearly were a team of destiny that year. But it was Blue Jays lease deserving least deserve a helical. Jay's fucking the Tigers. Because in my opinion, they had Maguy they had ver- Lander. They had some real sex fielder. Right. Oh, yeah. Built for comfort and speed. Okay. And we're marrying the Rangers because they were the best team. And that was the raw steel of the like twenty eleven is as heartbreaking as in World Series can get period. I would agree. They were one strike away. That was a clue different times different times in game six they won that game like eight times. Built terrible for Elvis Andrews. Who was I felt terrible for Mark low. Wasn't an Elvis wasn't Elvis that was boxing balls around the infield. Yes. Well, he did that he he also did that against Toronto. That was the beginning of the end of Nellie cruises outfield career to. I don't blame him though. It's he shouldn't have out there. Whatever they I mean, there were one strike away to different times if you're gonna have feelings for one of these teams, it's the Texas. Rangers of twenty eleven in my opinion. Are you guys more loyal? I'm actually very curious corrobos his answer to this. Are you guys more loyal to your city or your favorite team? So hypothetically if the as move from Oakland and Oakland got a new team or Boston got the Red Sox left and Boston replace them. Would you stay with your team or your city? I don't know how to answer that teams. I I am so appreciative and and dedicated to the community of Oakland into that fan base. I don't know that you get. Well, no, I'm not even gonna ask if I know or not. Whether or not you get that same kind of ban passion somewhere else, you don't you will not get that same sort of fan passion. It's very distinct. So I would have to say I ride with the city. I don't know because like Boston had the Braves and the Braves left, and it's like all right. We have the Red Sox, and we've always had the Red Sox. But I don't know. I just feel like it's just it's weird. I mean because as lift from Philadelphia, not like I was around a feel the fucking impact of the move. Like man glad they came. I was torn between Philly when now they know, but each team has left yada yada, yada teams. Come and go from cities, but I just that's I'm taking a different angle on it. You know, obviously the team is the one who gave me the opportunity to play major league baseball always in forever. Appreciative of that. Yeah. I just feel like I mean, if if the Red Sox left Boston. Then Boston would have no baseball team. So it's like I'd still obviously follow the Red Sox wherever they went like if they became like the fucking Utah Red Sox of you like all right? Can't go in any home games. But I mean, they're still Red Sox. So I would fall them. But then if Boston got a new team, then it's like. You naturally would gravitate towards that team because I would be there and you'd want to watch baseball. What am I supposed to do J Cleveland tribe? I it'd be out completely actually like not on the sport of baseball. But on like my rooting interest for like that entity. Like if the if the Cleveland Indians franchise left and went to Nashville, I would not for that team. And I probably also wouldn't have the energy to like reinvest my rooting interest in a new Cleveland franchise. Wow. Was like I mean, my connection to Cleveland is my family who has lived there for their entire lives. It's not right time that I have lived there my entire life. So like to try and recapture that romanticism of going to Indians games with my grandparents like, no, not going gonna happen. I would just be a baseball fan in general to even more than I am currently. So then what would you do you just I think I would just be like roofer player like over the over my life working in it around baseball like I become more and more of like a fan of like storylines, all thirty teams. And hey, this shit's interesting and like it's not just about one team. And I think if the if the Cleveland franchise left, it would just be that even more extreme. What it sounds? It. Sounds to me like all three of us are or fairly invested in either our city or our team and. That's a good thing. It's a great thing. You wanna know why? That's a good thing. Corrobos is it because investing is a good thing. Investing is always good thing. 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Look let by by initial initial reaction needs to get out there, by the way, initial reaction I'm pissed about what that meant for the Oakland A's in the potential of losing and missing out on a ninth round draft pick or excuse me a night slotted pit. That's that's tough. It's your first round. Like, this isn't the NFL where your first rounder is instant impact, and you can almost build around this individual. But you're just not in the business of giving these slots away. That's not what happens and the volatility of the negotiation process that it seemed to be between the Oakland A's and Kyle camp a really came to a head when the money and the guaranteed money, and and I think the interest level sort of skyrocket. His stock skyrocketed rightfully so. That's why I pose the question. Are you really mad at Tyler Murray for putting himself in a position that each and every one of us has strived to put. In in whatever facet of life. You find yourself in right now. There's a reason you went to school to get good grades. That was to try to get your scholarship. So that you could leverage that right because then if you get drafted, but you have this scholarship to fall back on that backup plan while you're supposed to get your grades. Well, that's telling the other team. Look, we should either pay this kid or he's got a pretty solid D one education that's going to be paid for. That's what we're trying to buy him out of because we like him so much. He happens to be in that position to different major sports. That's not his fault. That's blessing. So in time in an era where you're never really given the upper hand unless you just grab it by the balls and take it. It's great to see him actually forced the hand of a major entity major league baseball. And again, the details having signed this man to a minor league contract. That has brought him into the fold officially professionally with the Oakland A's the idea of him being able to renegotiate a professional contract or a major league contract that would net him more money. Those are sort of loopholes or that's the wiggle room that needed to be addressed that major league baseball signed off. And finally was able to sort of iron those details out. So this is really about Kyla Maury entering the NFL draft likey did to have to officially hold the Oakland A's feet to the fire. Majorly baseball's feet to the fire because again, Billy Beane and the whole rough rider crew and major league baseball is marketing department all rolled up on Kyla Murray and tried to express explain to him how they felt they could make him a star. And why baseball was the route to go. And you've heard other guys come out and talk about like Dion your Dion say it in. So many words if I was this young, man. And if I had it to do all over again, I would put down the pads and pick up the bat and never looked back. And I honestly sort of talked about men the car the nose not the guy to back down from a challenge the Carl. I know is looking at this thing, and this is the easy way. And that's the way I want to take it. He's here for the challenge. Right kinda tongue-in-cheek prodding him to come on, man. You can do this because I'd love to see this sort of talent win out on the baseball side because we did lose a Dion to the NFL. And I don't say we lost Dion to the NFL. He followed his heart and made the decision that he felt was the best for him at the time. And that's all to Kyle Murray is going to have to do if you're asking my opinion. I believe Murray understands that his future is on the major league baseball diamond. If longevity is something he's curious about I don't know that he holds up in the NFL. But that that right there meet questioning that I just become another member in a long line of people that have questioned that very same thing that motivated him and lit the fire that propelled him to a Heisman fucking trophy. So at the end of the day. I was butthurt about Oakland losing out on a first round pick at the very end of the day. When I punch the clock and checked out. I'm on Cuyler Murray side in terms of figuring out where your best nut comes from. Because you get one shot at this ship. You get one shot at this moment in life for Kylo Murray right now. So if you're questioning the ethics and the character behind him going back on at agreement that was already reached between. The front office guys. Let me tell you a little story here. When I was drafted again represented by an agent who I had never said is on physically never even met the dude. Through that negotiation process. The original number that was offered to me wasn't appealing enough to my agent that first phone call. He got so he decided to push for more the next phone call. I got was from the scout who was telling me that that negotiation process probably wasn't going well, and I hadn't deed, in fact, found myself being offered five thousand dollars less than my original offer. So my agent had successfully negotiated me out of about five thousand dollars in hopes of pursuing about ten thousand more dollars. So at that very moment. The business side took advantage of an individual like me who had no knowledge of the inner workings of this process. But who ultimately was ready to sign for a fucking plane ticket? So that's the kind of stuff that happens. So you're telling me that Kyla Murray's a bad, dude. Because he's got major league baseball marketing department shared a bucket PJ with Billy. Bean in the boys to figure out how they can plaster his ass on every billboard across this mother. Fucker cheap kinda Murray breaded up chicken. So a lot of people have been waiting for Dallas reaction to the whole Cuyler Murray thing and rightfully so he's invested in the game. He's invested in the Oakland A's and football fan. Covers a lot of bases for me. I'm I still I still feel like we're missing a big piece of the story. What did he say to the Oakland A's that got them to draft him with the number nine pick? I I will play baseball for your team. If you draft me, I want to live out, this NFL potential sort of I wanna live out my college days, I want to play quarterback in college. And I want I want to do it now, and I have the opportunity so he'll so he's going back on his word. Yeah. To me to me. This is the answer is obvious. Actually, it's that he won the Heisman Trophy and did way better and had a much higher profile than he ever anticipated. Correct. Yes on nobody's board. Come opening kickoff might be a first round talent. I mean, he didn't zooms telling him that that he's going to be a first round pick in the NFL right because the quarterback class, frankly is not strong. And when you look at him, you're. Thinking weapon right within if you really dive into it. And I think if you you're really to get the mcshea 's involved and the riddick's involved these guys who really breakdown the nuts and bolts of the the draft and the position t needs and shit like that. I don't know the Cuyler Murray represents a talent that you build around. If you know what I mean, he might be a great weapon to have that you could plug in. But is he a guy that you design an entire offencive scheme. Yeah. Around or four, I just don't know that and I think that a first round pocket passer or a first round west coast guy. Feel those guys still provide more upside to NFL NFL talent valuator than somebody like Murray who is a Manzullo of sorts a broken play dynamo, creator a wizard as far as creating but when it comes to steering, traffic and. Avoiding the hit. I mean, he got a he got good practice at that avoiding those behemoths for Alabama. And I'll tell you right now the boys from Alabama. That's a totally different ballgame up there in the NFL totally different ballgame. I don't know if Carla Mary wants any part of that. So here's here's sort of. I guess what rubs me the wrong way. Because I'm with you when it comes to yet. He's he's a kid is going to change his mind that that stuff happens, but you should have been more. I guess open about the possibility of pursuing a career in the NFL. And obviously, he couldn't he there's no way that he could have known that he would have been as great as he was winning the Heisman Trophy and then magically becoming a first round selection in the NFL. You don't know that that's going to happen. It's this simple. It's this simple. Do you wanna keep buying her drinks in hopes that she's coming home with you because that's your option that is totally your option because she's told you at the be. Of the night. This isn't something. I do. I'm not going home with you. Okay. I appreciate the date. Thank you. But at the end of the night, I don't want you thinking you're getting late. So she's laid it out there for you, bro. This is your choice. You can keep buying her drinks or you can move on to the next last that you think you might have a shot with and you're now left to make that decision. You know, what not another round? And let's see or you move on. So the as the said, no, no we're going to keep buying drinks here. Because we know what we're after we think we know what you're after. And it's not just a one night stand. Here. We think we see a relationship in the future. So we're going to keep buying these drinks. And we don't need to go home with you tonight because we feel like we're building something here. Well, that's the risk. You run is somebody outside waiting for your girl. They're called the parking lot, Pimm two AM. They've got her a ride home, and guess what? They. Dropping her off at your house ain't dropping her off at her house. And that's what you don't want to see happen. And that's right now. Kyla Meri's kind of hanging out in the parking lot. And the NFL is going. And Kyle Amaury deserves to have the NFL whistling at him. Kyle Murray deserves to have the NL be buying him drinks. That's what I'm saying. I'm not. I don't disagree with that. At all said, it sets a crazy. It'll set a crazy precedent. And I don't know if it's a good one. If the Oakland A's are able to structurally shift the contract and find more money for him and that indeed does sway him. I don't know what kind of precedent that sets. I can't see it being a good one. I think that really does as we've kind of seen on Twitter open up Pandora's box that opens up a great players get paid what it God damn tragedy. Yeah. One of the first round what the one one get this year like six itching. Right. And so let's go back to the last guy. Jeff some Arja to net the big league deal the ten year skew the five year ten million dollar dealer. Whatever it was right. That's the last time that happened that doesn't happen. Can't happen anymore. They're not handing those deals out. But the idea that major league baseball entertain the notion of figuring out a way to get around that circumvent that change that or just altogether. Turn the other cheek and say fuck it let him in. That is scary because that is what's going to affect the future. Because now it's about well, or we're gonna have to wait for this generational type talent to come along the potential Heisman Trophy winner slash major league ready outfielder in a couple years like that talent that dude's not on everybody's draft board every year teams aren't forced to make that decision every year. So that's why this is being entertained to the degree. It is major league baseball understands what a feather in its cap. It would be to be able to take from the NFL it's Heisman Trophy, darling. And now show and take into negotiations with every two way athlete. Look, my friend. The hard. Wood your knees are going to go the grid iron. You might have somebody brushing her teeth for you at forty years old. Who knows major league baseball probably have a bad body. I don't know forty five or so look terrible in a uniform, but probably have a decent. Life a decent. Go at it. That's what they want to be able to sell to the to the younger classes about leads, and that's all fine. And well, but he should honestly just pick whatever he's most passionate about which is very clearly football. Like, I would hate to see major league baseball miss out on a superstar type talent, which we don't even really know if that's why he's gonna become we don't know that neither does the NFL for that matter. But if he's only gonna come to play for the as because they're thrown an extra fifteen million dollars, Adam. But he really wants to be playing football, dude. Go play football. Like as the if you're as good as you were this past year playing college football. It's not like you're going to be poor playing football versus playing baseball taking the fifty. And I wonder if there's and I wonder if there would be some contingencies thrown in there. Where look they're signing this money, he has to like, I don't know there might be a non compete where look you can't play football after quitting baseball for the next five years or your money is being taken away again. Because he you know, what if he says yes, and I'm good to go and he plays for two and a half years in his like, you know, what not good enough. I'm going to go to the quarterback guru. I'm gonna go running some sand and Malibu hit the dunes and break off the route tree in front of some scouts and might find myself in the CF L for year, and then on on an NFL depth chart come buck and twenty twenty three. So here's a question for you before we conclude the whole Cuyler Murray discussion if in win because I think it's a matter of when he chooses the NFL over major league baseball. Put a percentage on it. What are the odds that he finds its way into into not major league baseball per se, but a major league organization at some point still afterwards. If you choose his football, I? I will say there's still a shot. I will say there's probably a thirty percent chance. No. No. No. No. No, no, no skews me that was going to be to potentially get to the big leagues. Oh, I'll say there's a greater than fifty percent chance. Probably seventy to eighty percent chance that should he forego baseball. And choose the NFL initially when he decides that that's not the route to go, and maybe he experiences some of the stuff that I think the Oakland A's have experienced. Meaning he doesn't quite get what he expected at the NFL level. And as like, you know, what Bama was tough fuck that dude's three twenty and his fast as me I want no part of that ship. Yeah. Then maybe find his way back into. I don't know Arizona spring training. I've been watching some some Cuyler Murray tape who does who does he remind you of the buyers box because I think it's clear as day. Who does he remind me of the batter's eye showed? I showed hubs the same exact swing, and he guests on the I guess to be honest. I haven't looked at his swing busy. I just remember seeing him in person any only took about twenty swings. Yeah. I'll I'll show you his twenty eighteen highlights. It's it's a you watching it now. No, I'm gonna to find it. There's like actual game footage do collar Murli. Twenty teen highlights. I'm gonna see of Jay can get it on the I guess. It's got as got some weird angles pressures on J ball or baseball. What are you talking about baseball? Swing in football. Bert. Thousand eighteen visit four minutes and twenty five seconds. There is remind you of Jay. Can I get one more get take take as many things as you as you would like? That one less because the guy that I'm thinking of swings with two hands. Yeah. I'm still yet to see some of these fucking hits weird angles. Yeah. He's got. I saw almost immediately. I have a thought who is Mookie. No, I I was gonna say, Ian Kinsley. Oh, I see kids. Learn his swing thirty home forty double guy. That's interesting. Same build. Yeah. I don't hate that. I see what you're saying. Yeah. I just saw one swing in particular that looked a lot liking Kinzler. Yeah. Now that you're bringing up. All right. He's got the hips open. Any like it was like a high pitch you need like it was a ground ball. Yeah. That's. All right. I like that. And how do you feel about it? Ian Kinsley comp. Career if he pulled off in Kinzler. Yup. Do you guys want to try and guess who's going to sign between now and the next podcast before I revealed tell us to tell us his who we're done trying. Wade miley. Wow. That's my guess. Where's he going? I'm going to say that he actually goes to the brewers. Stay resign with the brewers. I think that's going to be our big move between now and the next podcast, which would be a quick podcast. Yeah. Between now and the next podcast trying to think who else is still out there. Pollick? Kimbrel. Kaikal? Those are definitely the three biggest names. Marlin as Marlin as drubel Cabrera, Mike, moose stockists. I don't know. Why is it weird to think that the Blue Jays could sign Marlene Gonzales feels weird? Adam Jones still out there. Yeah. Nick, marcus. You know, what how about how about the Braves bringing Nick Marquette back? I could see it. Yeah. It's not a bad. Guess maybe. You'll get on the board. Maybe AJ Pollock. Yeah. I mean that would be sexier for sure. Yeah. Maybe not better but sexier. Yeah. Dallas. As as far as our guesses are concerned geo, maybe Klay DRO. I'd like to see a landing spot for kaikal. Yeah, phillies. That's what I'd like to see my personal theory. Is that kaikal in Kimbrell and probably Pollock will sign after Machado in Harper. Because I feel like if the Phillies miss out on Harper Machado. They go get they may go pay for Kimbrell and Pollick. I think. Yeah. I think I think Kimble's going affiliate regardless. Red Sox aren't going to pay him tote Tolo still out there. It's true. He wants to pitch in the big leagues he'll be on the fucking athletics. That's who I should follow signs as they need pitching. Phase the franchise they do need pitching Dallas. Starters. They need affordable pitchers. These starters. Yeah. Competent. I'm competent big year for Frankie montage, huge whore. Hay day. La Rosa still out there. Wow. Wow. Unbelievable. Hyler clipper, the clip, man. I'm sticking with. Who did I pick? Wade Miley to the ways Wade smiley. And so we're going want Mosser. And my final thoughts are that. Did you know in nineteen o nine tycoons when the triple crown hitting three seventy seven with nine home runs in one hundred seven RBI's? He also led the league in hits stolen bases that year. However, not a single one of his nine home runs with over the fence. What? That's funny. Those are my final thoughts slugger. Okay. All right. It's another week in the books. Amazing nothing happens. And we still deliver multiple hours of the starting nine podcast. That is just that's just talent the off seasons just deal. Something happens and next week hall of fame podcast. All yeah. Jay Hayes rant that. You've been waiting for Arul. Baynes ran and more and more importantly, we will honor the great men who make it into the hall of fame. Yes. Come prepared. Bring an extra pair pants Allah later. I'm fucking start.
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Oakland Athletics Off-Season Preview! w/ Bill Moriarity of Athletics Farm
Welcome. To painting corners your weekly broadcasts or all things baseball. Now. Here are your host Austin Hartsfield, and Dave quit cow scheme. Dumoriez from athletics. Farm joins us at lettuce farm. Farmers your one stop shop for everything as just kind of a heads up for the interview. We actually didn't have the Cuyler Murray news yet, obviously since you're getting this right now, you know, that Kylo Murray's actually entering the NFL draft. We didn't have that information at the time. But then again, I mean this is the as off season preview. So everything changes this stuff. This stuff comes up once again, this is Bill more from athletics. Farm check out the site. If you're as fan and has everything that you need and enjoy the upset. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another off season preview. This time. We have a good friend Bill who is on here. He's going to be going over the Oakland Athletics. Bill. Hi doing tonight. Good good. How you guys doing doing great as always here? So for people that don't the podcast for someone like you who's coming on? We're just gonna go through it really quick. We're going to be going over the opening day roster projected what we think where people are going to be and for the first time in a while. Like we talked about off off the air the as ratchet kind of set it's it's a little exciting for a small market team. Yeah. It's a rare that the can kind of project exactly what what their lineup and what their position player is on the field. They're gonna look like going into the season. But you know, whilst you're a lotta guys really establish themselves. And there really are very few question marketing spring training in terms of the position players. It's more of the the starting rotation where where the question marks are this year, which is rare usually the as. Have had their starting pitching a little more sorted out. But it's just the reverse. Now, there's really really not that many questions in the in the lineup, but this point. Yeah, there's not many questions they're pitching, really more injuries. Dad lack of skill or talent there. But probably the biggest question Mark for me on this team. Looking at the roster watching them last year and going through free agency this year. What are you gonna do catch her? You got you got two guys on the contract. And you've got a great prospect in your system that goes by Sean Murphy is Murphy going to be there opening day. Or is he going to be a call up later on? Now, he's much more likely to come up later. He's only had just I think about three games at AAA at the end of allow season and the plan at this point is to start him a triple of high, and, you know, get his get his rep slayer last season as you know Johnson. Look ROY was yays main catcher he didn't provide a lot of offense. But he he did a good job handling pitching staff that was in flux throughout the the entire season. And just fatally was his. Primary backup last year in the off season the as of signed Chris Kerman who's a left-handed hitter. And right now if things remain the same it looks like they'll go with a platoon of Herman against righties and Josh vaguely against lefties. Of course, the as are still got an eye on the catching market, and if there's if there's a Bergen they can find before the off-season through I'm sure they wouldn't be opposed to scooping in. But there really aren't that many options out there? So you know with nothing emerges at the right price. I think they would be comfortable is not ideal, but they would be comfortable going with a Herman and fatally platoon this season until Sean Murphy is ready either, you know, late on in two thousand nineteen or certainly by the next year. The as definitely didn't want to invest too much in a catcher at this point knowing that that Murphy is no more than a euro way. Yeah. That makes sense to me then not in the market to go. Sign a MOS or to go trade for JD real mutal. That's not really a style. But no prospects and coming up in a platoon rolls fine. You see many teams do it. Look at the Red Sox. For example. They had a three a three player platoon. If you will with what's why heart there with some injuries Vasquez early this earlier that last year, so it definitely works, and you know, for the for the pin penny punching Oakland Athletics as will will be nice about it as they don't want to spend some money about two million dollars between two players. You can't really beat that. When across the contracts another place where they have great contracts, and I'm going to lump them together. I know awesome to huge phantoms. I'm itching to let him talk about them both but medals and Matt Chapman. They're gonna be for wild identical contracts. They're close in age and awesome. Just tell tell her how great these guys really are. So here's the thing. Meddlesome is going to continue to get better. I mean, he jumped from a two seven or last year to a four four two or this year. We'll continue to get better is a rock there defensively, and that's saying very small what he does. But if he continues to get better hitting this as the as corner infielders are going to be forced to be reckoned with now. If we go across domino, Matt Chapman about Chapman is just an anchor. I mean guys going to be a platinum glow platinum glove winner for years to come much less cold. But he's just a fact him out there. He'd makes the as must see TV in my opinion. And nobody actually likes to watch fielding. Let's be real here. But if Matt Chapman's out there and boggles to everybody's kind of like raising their eyebrows, see what he's going to do next. Definitely, you know. I think he's he's one of the most exciting third baseman defensively since since Brooks Robinson like you said when a ball is hit to him. Everybody actually pays attention. You know, you don't you don't take your eyes off because you're never quite sure. What he's going to do. I remember the day. He was drafted. I was on a conference call with him. And I asked him what his what he felt the greatest strength of his game was and normally players on draft eight can you know, be kinda humble and show showcase ability. And he came right out and said, I'm the best defensive third baseman in all of college baseball. And I thought this guy is going to come out and make that claim on draft day. He must be pretty pretty special in the field. You know, and and it turned out. He he was you know, he's he's going to be a goal clever at third base for for three years to come for the as there's no question about that. And and Matt and also, you know, a great defensive first basement as well. And we know of course, they're both great offensive players to. So these are two very valuable guys at the as have been looking forward to their arrival for for quite some time. I mean metals and was drafted out of high school back in the the the the draft with Addison Russell and Daniel Robertson. So he's been in the system for a long time, and the as are really really delighted to have them both here and they control them for another five seasons. They've got control of them through twenty twenty three if they like, so, you know, these guys are really going to represent the the anchor of the as team going going for we're here for for a good while. Yeah. So there's just so many likable characters on this team. I mean, there's there's nobody on this team that somebody can look at it and go man, I just don't like that guy. Then you have guys now like jerks and pro far who's basically I used to call him a prospect sweetheart because nobody had any bad things to say about him. Besides the injury, right. I'm a little confused in the mid. Infield here. So what exactly is going to be? The setup is Simeon gonna stay shore and profile going to place. Second is Baretto gonna get some time. How's that gonna workout? Well, it looks like I would expect a simian to to be shortstop every day. I'm he's kind of been an iron man there for the of few years last season. He played a hundred and fifty nine games, and you can probably expect them as long as he's healthy to to do just about to say again this year the plan is for pro far to be the as a starting second baseman Baretto Franklin Baretta was obviously been one of the top hitting prospects for few years now since they acquired him from Toronto he's going to be turning twenty three shortly before this season. So he's still he's still young. You know lot of people expected that they might just plug Baretto into the second base hole when jed Lowrie left as a free agent. But I think the as would you know, considering they're contending team. Now, they wanted a little more certainty. Second base. You know, they wouldn't mind giving Barack a little more time. He's gotten some major league time. The main issue with him as contact. He still strikes out a lot. I think they, you know, they'd still like to see them refine his approach a little bit. When he does get the bat on the ball it really sales. And you you could hear it. It sounds great. So, you know, they still I think have a lot of faith and hope for Franklin Baretto. But right now since become a contending team. They wanted to get a little more certainty in their at second base. And then they got a little time to break Pareto in. They've got they've got control of Simeon and profile for the next two seasons. Twenty nineteen and twenty twenty. And then they've also got Baretto who projects Moore's the second baseman and four. Hey, Matteo at triple eight where they got from the Yankees and the sunny great deal. They've got the two of them sort of in reserve to to sort of take over second and short in in a year or two once a pro far and Simeon find of timeout. Do you think it's fair to say that? You might see Baretto sooner than later only because pro far isn't the best hitter in the world. And if you're gonna lose it bats anyway, you might as well throw younger out there semi ins in iron, man. Like you said he plays a ton of games. He's not as end the Bogart's. A, you know, Manny Machado when it comes to the bat, but solid to fifty to seventy guy. You know, seems like everybody likes him. He plays every day. So my only thing is I feel like Baretto might you might see him earlier then later just because of pro far has lack of hitting ability. But I don't want to rush it like you said. Yeah. I mean, I think it depends on how planet look if profiles hidden well playing well, he's going to be the second baseman. If pro for struggling, you know, or he's hurt, you know, in Beretta's playing well, you know, then they know they can plug him right in there at second base. You know without a problem. I mean, he's a great backup option. It's also it's possible. There's been some talk to the Greta could feel a little time in the outfield this year as well. So it's a question whether or not he makes the opening day lineup. He's probably one of the. Guys vying for that loud spot. But if he does he could also theoretically platoon with profile at second profiles which hitter, but he tends to tends to hit righties better Beretta's right handed hitter tends to left he's better. So you you could you know, conceive of the second base platoon as well. He can also be a platoon left fielder to where the as look to employ another platoons situation. But again, it's a question. Whether he gets if he gets that last spot he could see a little time in either in either place, if not then they could send it back AAA and just wait to see how things play out. But again if profiles productive hitter, you know, like he was much of last year. Second base could be his on a daily basis if he if he struggles to reassert, you know, bread does always there to step right in and could do a credible credible job. Yeah. That makes a lot sense. And actually starts off the next conversation. I wanted to get into which I was gonna say might make your job a little heart. Snappy kinda already covered it. You have some great people on the scene. Like, Austin said great. Analogies. You know, a very loose locker room seems Stephen Bescot came over one of the coolest things baseball's on a while it came from the cardinals his mom was very sick. She passed away last year, and you know, he lives in California Costa home, and they were able to do that. And it seemed like the guys rally around the me bad why the two fifty to sixty nothing amazing kind of like a semi, but he plays. He's gray locker room guys. Good fielder got him on a good contract. They bought hours per yard years for nice seven million all the way through basically you're going to have him in right field. He's going to be there. You can have Cana in center. I mean, he's going to be an arbitration perfume more years three more years and definitely be the project there. My question was basically left field. It was going to be Chad Pender was going to be a guy like Baretto if not Baretto let's take him off table say they wanna stick him in the infield who's going to be the left field because we know where right and center is going to be left field is probably one of the biggest question marks in the lineup. Let me just backtrack for a second off on your on your intro to that question. Now. To Scotty wasn't great a great pickup for the as last year. He had to sixty seven he had twenty seven homers and forty one doubles. So you know, he really did have a very strong bounceback year. And like you said they've got him under contract at good price for many years, which is perfect for the as that's exactly how they like to do business. I'm so Scotty is has been a great addition in right field. And you talked about centerfield can Mark cannon. Did see a lot of time there last year. But in the second half, the as brought up Ramon law review beyond now and Laureano really impressed in center. First of all he hit about two eighty eight and he played a tremendous defense of center field. And right now if folks Dave tomorrow Ramon Laureano looks like he would be the the starting opening day center fielder if he can replicate what he did late in the season last year. He'll be the center fielder for a long time to come. In left field. You've got a lot of those guys factoring in during the second half. They had a platoon to primarily consisted of Nick MARTINI as the left handed bat, and Chad Tinder as the right handed bat also Kansas also from time out there as well another right hand about when Kandar had to play some infield positions. So as I mentioned Baretto could be in the mix out there as another right handed bat. Also, they've got dust and Fowler who they acquired from the Yankees and the sunny gray deal another left handed bat. These guys are all possible options in left field. If I had to bet how the season would start. I would expect to see the platoon that they ended the season with which was Nick Martinez a left handed bat and Chad hinders the right handed bat. Now, a lot of people say Nick Martigny is a, you know, a lifelong minor leaguer, you know, he's gonna regress, but MARTINI when he was in the. Lineup was the best leadoff hitter. That the hat all year. He had an on base percentage for the as last year of three ninety seven. And you know, you you you can't look away from that Dustin Fowler has obviously had a big prospect status for a long time another left handed hitter. But he really hasn't performed will on his time in the majors. He you know, he had his real contact issues. He strikes out a lot. He doesn't take many walks on all which is problematic. You know for the front office last season Fowler only only walked about once every fourteen or fifteen plate appearances. I think he had eight walks in one hundred ninety plus at bats and struck out forty seven times. So even though he's got he's got the higher, you know prospect profile. I think what MARTINI did last year. Definitely gives him the edge going into this season. And then on the on the the other half of the platoon. Chad Pender was the main right handed bat out there. And left and the ace of have always liked his bad. He hits the ball, really hard. He he had thirteen home runs and in fewer than three hundred at bats there. So martinian Pinter looked to be leading candidates again Cana or Baretto could both be in the mix there dust and Fowler with a strong spring could could put himself in the mix there too. So not position definitely is is a question, Mark. But the as do you have a lot of options heading into the spring there. Yeah, they have options and having Larry Otto be there as a guy that like, you know, many people kinda just forgot about it almost makes Connor the forgotten man, and that's kinda wild. Because it almost felt like he was going to be the next big thing out there. And I mean, they have a lot of options out in the outfield, and it's gonna take a few months, then it's kind of figure it out. But just like the as always do they're going to figure it out. And then they're going to have a great little three to four outfield rotation out there and probably make the playoffs again. Yeah. That's certainly I think the the way they'd like. To see him play out. I think there's also a possibility as could use some of those, you know, outfield options to to to make a deal for starting pitching as well. I think a lot of people all a lot of aids fans, anyway, you know, wouldn't be surprised to see Cana or Fowler dealt at this point. You know, there's just an excess of guys in that position in Cana kinda replicates Pender and Baretto kind of replicates can't if he starts playing in the outfield. So you know, I it's quite a possibility that some of those guys could be moved for pitching. But you know, there's always injuries in the spring too. And you know, there might end up being room for for all these guys in the picture one way or another. So it's not often that you get to say that that you have a Heisman Trophy candidate in your any farm system. Kind of explain to us. 'cause I mean I've seen Kylo Murray enough I'm a long fan. So I've been doing us Oklahoma baseball games to know, better than doubt Cutler Murray as well as Oklahoma football games at this point. But what are as fans getting from Cuyler Murray? And what does he do extremely well that boosted him to be a number one first round pick, basically. Well, I, you know, I had definitely multiple people as for office just rave about his athleticism. You know, they kind of feel that he can do everything. I think the tool that really pops for him is his speed, you know, he really has top top notch speed both, you know, he they see him as a center fielder. So they see him covering a lot of ground in center field. And they see him being a guy who can be a real threat on the base paths. I think they they'd love to have a Ricky Henderson who works for the as get get his hands on Tyler Murray. You know and see what what kind of threat he could turn it into. So they definitely are impressed by his speed. But they believe you know, that he he's a potential five tool prospect, you know, they think he can he can do everything. Well that he such an athlete you know, that he can he can perform well at every aspect of the game. The thing is just getting into the game. So, you know, obviously, they're hoping that that he forgoes. Football, and you know, sets the Heisman Trophy on the mantle and and moves right along. He's currently, you know, set to join the team in spring training in February. And you know, they're hoping that there's just no football to in to interfere with it. I mean, if he can devote himself one hundred percent baseball, you know, they believe he can be a top notch prospect, and and and develop fairly quickly, obviously a football enters into the picture that that, you know, gums up the works a little bit. You'd rather not have that happening. So hopefully from the eighth point of view, you know, he's ready to commit the baseball one hundred percent come this spring. And and, you know, hopefully, be ready to to to move up through the system very quickly. The as have a number of good also prospects, including Austin back who was their number one picks the prior year, and then the the Cuban prospect allows row Armenteros Laszlo Reto. So I think the. As would love to envision a, you know, an outfield of allows Reto Cuyler Murray and Austin back as they get ready to hopefully move into a new stadium that they're that. They're projecting about about four or five seasons from now. So it's not often that something like this happens either the fact that somebody has to choose between face ball and football because normally people are better at one sport than the other. But with collard seems to be the exact opposite Cuyler seems to be great at Bo sports. And it's not often that you get something like that. I mean, Michigan thought they had it withdrew Hinson when he was in college Tom Brady, and he had to choose between basketball baseball football. You got the guys like Bo Jackson. Bo Jackson is the poster child for something like this. And and again, we're talking about a superb athlete, and that's that's how you get this done. Yeah. I don't know if you if you saw their collar Marie posed for a picture of that was, you know, take off on the the the beau Jack. One where he's got the shoulder pads on and the bat over baseball bat over his shoulders. So you know, he he he clearly consciously put himself in the Bo Jackson, mold right there. And you know, if anybody who's coming along in recent years could do it possibly be him. Of course, there's a lot of people skeptical about his hike, and you know, in the NFL could he be successful? There's a lot of these quarterbacks that are great college quarterbacks succeed in the NFL. But you know, you know, from from an as perspective of all they're concerned about is that he plays baseball. Well, and that he plays it regularly. Obviously baseball is the kind of game that you need reps. You need to be out there on the field doing it all the time. And you know, obviously, if he's going off and dealing with football, that's probably going to slow his development. He's still got away as to go. So, you know, they're hoping he commits to baseball one hundred percent. We'll see what happens. Scott Boras keeps reassuring everyone that is agent that that that baseball is is going to be his. Full focus, and then Kyle Marie will come out and say something to kind of muddies the waters a little bit. So so we'll see what happens. I think he's still got a little love of football this hard. But we'll we'll see if see if he can be prevailed upon to to stick with baseball. Which is definitely definitely what he as. And as fans would love to see him do. With so much concert whizzing around out there. There's only one storytelling platform that helps you keep calm informed. And inspired flip board flip board. Curates the world stories so you can be smarter in your work life and play. 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These guys do nowadays that that didn't do in the eighties nineties. He gives me break break the mold with that. And is interesting seeing him come up to the system because I think he does play baseball. I don't think he would have you know, signed. I don't think he would enter the draft. And you know, stuck it out as long as he did if you didn't love the game. It seemed like football game secondary to him. So you know, all the best with him jumping over to starting pitching. A lot of people on this roster. Arguably, you know, your best pitcher now current former, you know, pass whatever. Good one while showman either. He's hurt. He's gonna come back at some point. I'm just going to pencil him in to this rotation. But you've Chris Bassett who was pretty good this year. You had cotton who just needs some development. You have Montus who I really like Meghan who when he's healthy. He is on Triggs there as well. And someone that you traded for last year who, you know, as a Red Sox during I really was looking at because he dominated the Red Sox for a few games was Michael fears, and I believe he signed an extension with you guys. Correct. Are you fires became a free agent at the as the didn't didn't ender him a contract, and he became a free agent. And then came back and signed a two year deal with the as for just a little over seven million a year average, which is exactly the kind of kind of deal the as liked to make they're trying to trying to to to stay under about eight million a year on any starting pitchers bringing into the fold. So fires was projected to make over nine million. In arbitration, they managed to bring him back on a two year deal for a little under a little over seven million a year. So at this point, he's he's probably the best healthy starting pitching option in the in the as the projected rotation right now as of today anyway. Yeah, it seems like that. And you the hit the head, you know, right there and injuries are big part of this pitching staff. And it's really what the guys it seemed like to Z end of the year if everyone's healthy on this roster because they will be at some point you guys you have on there every. Single one of those pitchers. I just mentioned that fears is on the contract to at least twenty twenty two with a guy like Blackburn gossip on there until twenty twenty three. So they will be on this team the future we'll skip away from twenty nineteen opening day. But even you know later in thousand nineteen who is your ideal starting five for this year next year, you know, safe. Everybody was magically healthy. We turned injuries often. It will be the show right now. And you had your whole roster to you who's the starting five that you would send out there right now. Well, I'll tell you people who follow the as aren't used to looking at at things in terms of an ideal world, though, I know three or four Lou by making on taking salary out to in injuries L. You got you locked out on this roster, and they're gonna control an arbitration. So they're going to be there for at least a few more years will I think as you as you mentioned, I think probably the, you know, the best starting pitcher in the picture picture or who's had major league experience with the as it is Sean Mnaya. He he's unfortunately had to have surgery. The original projection was he would miss the entire twenty nineteen season. Now, the as front office is saying that he could be back after the all star break, which would be a great shot in the arm of for the as if you could have Mnaya back as you mentioned number of three guys making their way back from Tommy John Durell, cotton, Daniel, Gossett and one of the team's top pitching prospects. AJ puck. They're all coming back from Tommy John. So they're probably not even going to be starting to throw until June. Anyway, you know in the minor leagues. So it it'd be pretty tough to count on any of those guys in the second half really Anaya again as the top guy, of course, another terribly exciting guy that could start the season with the as if novel certainly be up in the second half. He's expected to be any way as useless Ardo the left hand of the as got from the. Nationals in the Sean Doolittle Ryan Madson deal. He's definitely the top pitching prospect right now, he he blew through high a and AA last year and was just dominant in almost every start. He got a little taste of AAA at the end of last season. I think he's he's the most exciting pitcher in as pitching picture at this point people would love to see him. The question is does he start the season the rotation or do they keep him in AAA for a little bit by little extra service time and then bring him up, but I think by the second half. He'll it'll probably be one of the most exciting pitchers in in making his debut in the majors. If Sean mnay is their healthy that would be a great one to they're both Alaska's which is kind of exciting if AJ puck who was the as top draft pick a couple of years ago can come back from Tommy John strong. He's also a left-hander, and you then have Mnaya Lazardo. Oh and tuck as three dominant young left handed pitchers all under control by the as for a number of years to come. Now would be a great top of the rotation if healthy then the as have guys like fires who's who's in on a two year old right now. They've also got Daniel Mendon who's performed well, you know, looks like a class back into the rotation starter. Frankie Montas throws awful hard condemn finally impress. He's been a little inconsistent. But when he's on he's on as you mentioned in Chris Bassett as also in the mix Blackburn is coming back from a lot of injury issues as well. So there's a there's a lot of guys in that mix. If the season started tomorrow would probably be fires and Montas Bassett, and then maybe either blocked burn or Lazardo if they wanted to start the season with him. But hopefully by the second half of the season, they can have Mnaya Lazardo fires. Mangan, and then maybe one of those other guys Montas Bassett or or Blackburn to plug in there at the in the fifth spot. Yeah. Just makes his team so dangerous and the lineup. So will the pitching rotation. So deep later down the line either next year, or you know, even later this year. Yeah, you mentioned Andrew Triggs as well. He's coming back from injury. The as have have now said they're looking to move him to the bullpen. I think they're worried about the the strain on his on his arm with the work that a starter does. So it looks like they're going to try to try to bring him back as a reliever rather than have him in the in the starter mix. Yeah. I mean, let's go to the bullpen now. I mean, it should be pretty simple, actually. But then some arms that bullpen, man. The guy that really impressed me last year was Lou Trevino just the way he came in and shut games down before it was even his before. It was even they even got to try, and then you bring in a guy like sore and for Nando Rodney who's been everywhere in his career. And you know, if you have that many arms in the bullpen you become lethal and on playoffs and the only problem with this as damn at that point was they decided to go full on bolting game. And I'm pretty sure Hendrix started the game and became eight go. But I mean, Louis Trevino, really impressed me. A Blake Trenton emerged as an elite closer a top five closer in baseball my opinion last year. So kind of breakdown how this bullpen will finish going. I mean, we could even do six seven eight nine if you had to. Yeah. There's there's there's a lot of strong arms in the pan in the really relied on that. Penn last year, you know, at the end of the year every no one in the starting rotation was someone who had even been in the system to start the year. You know, the there were so many injuries so many problems with starting rotation. They had to go out, you know, in bringing guys like, Edwin Jackson and Trevor K hill and bread Anderson. You know, and go out and acquire Mike fires, you know. So so they ended up with a completely patchwork rotation and because of that they really had to rely on the bullpen to tremendous job to to get them. You know, so the postseason. Fortunately, Blake training who was originally drafted by the as and then was traded to the nationals and then traded back to the as really emerged as one of the best relievers in the game last year. I mean, he finished the season with an era under one in. So I mean trying and I think gave up maybe seven or eight or runs the entire year. So he was absolutely lights out the closer. And before they went out and started acquiring a bunch of veteran relief arms a late in the season. They had called up Lou Trevino who really as you said served, you know, as a shutdown setup man so between Trevino and try, and they were they were just you know, they were just shutting everyone out in the eighth the ninth inning for most of the season the as hadn't had lost a game that they lead heading into the eighth inning. So those guys were lights out. Now, they added Fernando Rodney late last year. They exercise is option brought him back. So he's going to begin the bulk at again, a very experienced guy as we all know. And then they went out and signed walking Saria who had a a really strong year last year as well. So between training Trevino Rodney Sewri, those are four pretty strong arms us marrow. Petite they signed as a free agent last year, and he very quietly had a strong seasonable pen last year. He actually led the as in interferences. I think you've got into close. To seventy five games last year for the team. And then I think probably on out the bullpen of the Hendrix as you mentioned to start at the wildcard game. And then you'll on the left side. They've really only got one strong lefty reliever that's Ryan book there. And then you might have guys like Ryan Dahle JD when Delk and fighting for the final spot, but you know, most of those bullpens spots are pretty solid and and and pretty locked up at this point. It's definitely an area that the team the team can count on this coming season. We can't not sit here and talk about the as and not talk about Chris Davis. Now, the most the most, you know, I'm trying to think of the best way to put this predictable, and you know, average and every good word about you know, what you're getting out of them is Chris Davis and the last four years he's bad at two forty seven not on average total every single year right on the button in the last three years. He's at forty plus home runs in the last three years. He's at twenty five twenty eight twenty eight doubles his hits have been one thirty seven one forty one forty two his oh BP had been three seven three thirty six and three twenty six. You know, exactly what to expect from Chris Davis. You can closure is punch him in for two forty seven forty home runs twenty five doubles in a bunch of strikeouts. But man is he the heart and soul this team when it comes to the lineup. And when you need a big punch in a game. He delivers it almost every time. Yeah. You know, it's it's always great to have that big Bopper in the lineup for new, but what out of the park at any given moment. And Chris Davis certainly been guy for the as I mean, they really got him for for next to nothing from from the through or that was quite a steel, and as you said in his three seasons with the as he's hit forty plus home runs each year. He led the team with forty eight homers last year, you know, have the top slugging percentage on the team at the top Opie s on the team, you know. So is that big that like many power hitters? He's very streaky. When he's hot he's hot, you know, he had a couple of the game. And then when he goes cold, you know, you got a couple of weeks just watching it and miss everything. But on the whole, it's you know, it's worth it. You know, he's a very productive hitter. Once the once you tally things up on the season. And he's great to have in the heart of that lineup. He's in his last year of team control with the as this year. They're going to arbitration with him. And he's he's in line to probably become the highest paid a of all time, you know. He's probably expected to get between seventeen eighteen nineteen million and arbitration this year, which is definitely far more than the as I've ever paid anyone. But but he's proved as worth, so hopefully, you know, the as can make another strong postseason run this year with him with him there because probably likely to be his last season. But if he can put up another forty plus home runs and hit two forty seven. They'll be perfectly happy pay pay him when he's earned a in twenty nineteen. We kind of we kinda make fun of the raise on the show. Just because every time the rays have a decent player on their team and they're out of contention. They trade them. I mean, they thought that they were contention. This year traded Chris Archer got pieces back Ainhoa. We've been joking lately. It's like, you know, better not better not be bad or they might trade Blake Snell. Right. If this as team is not good as Chris Davis's contract starts firing. Do you think they would attempt to move? Or is he just too much part of Oakland to do that? No. I think I mean, I I think if there's any team that's shown, you know, like the race that they're not afraid to move someone when it's in their best interest. It's the as and look if the as are clearly out of contention in the second half, and they're not really playing for anything. And you've got a superstar all-star slugger on the roster making, you know, nineteen million, and you know, you can trade him and avoid having to pay the the last half of that and get some prospects. In return. You know, I I I'm certain they would obviously the as you know, hope and plan to be in contention and not be in that spot in which case, it's they're happy to ride out the contract with with Chris Davis. But if they're out of it, you know, the as are, you know, are always going to, you know, make something out of nothing. And and you know, if they're not fighting for a postseason spot, they just assumed cashing any chips, they can that. And and get some future prospects to to help fill in the blanks. I don't think there's any question about that. And and Chris Davis will likely to be the most valuable player that will be on on a one year contract for the for the team next year in. I don't see how they won't be in contention next year with as bad as the division is being the Rangers. Basically hand you seventeen games a year. The Mariners don't know what they are at this point and the angels, injuries constantly underachieve. It's just over over. They do best. Yeah. They they signed big contracts and the guys all of a sudden start declining outside of Mike trout. I mean, it's just insane. I expect the same thing to happen at Luke, ROY. But I mean, th this as teams should be at least close if not in the plastic or once again. Yeah. I mean, it's easy. Certainly I think conceive of are much like last year where most of the American League West under achieves. The only problem is you still got the Astros in the division. So you know for for a low budget team to be able to overcome the Astros to to win the division. Title is definitely a stretch. Now, it's possible. They they weren't that far away from doing it this last season. But that's definitely a, you know, a big hurdle overcome the more likely scenario is is what happens. What happens is what happened last year is where the as end up in in the wildcard cont, you know, so obviously you've got the Red Sox and the Yankees both being powerhouses in the AL east, and you know, that that and the Al central pretty weak outside a Cleveland too. So I mean, it does really look like the four top teams in the AL are Red Sox the Yankees the Indians and the Astros and then that leaves one final wildcard spot for everybody else to fight over. And and I think the as hope you know, that that that they will be that team. And maybe if they get lucky and get a few breaks they can overcome the Astros bit. But if not as as long as there are one of the top five teams in the league, they're going to be there playing playing at some point in the postseason anyway. Yeah, they're they're an interesting team. Honestly, if the Cleveland Indians decide to. What they've been saying which is trading away onto these guys. They will be the fourth best team. They will be better in Cleveland. They lose kluber and Bauer or even one of them. I don't see how they're going to be better than Oakland. Went to Oakland gets healthy. Oakland has a lot of problems with their starting pitching health right now, but that won't last all year or or especially not next year either. So when Cleveland's gonna be going down the trading white Bauer one of them and they have their own injuries. Where our was hurt this year? Clemenger was heard this year. You had kluber was banged up for a little bit nothing crazy. But Oklahoma had those problems later down the line Alonzo has been good. So I think it's tied to turn with that with that team down there and will out there. I should say for me, which is you know, way out there for Mason on these coast. But Oakland on the up and coming in, you know, they I will be very happy. If they actually do give Chris Davis their money, then he deserves because it would show the fans that yes, we are low budget. But when we see someone that we have to hold onto like Mnaya like Chris Davis. They will and for. For all the Oakland fans and for baseball fans in general. It's fun when small teams like that make runs like when Kansas City went on their World Series runs. Those couple years. It was fun to watch. So watching Oakland's going to be a good time next year. Yeah. I think everybody always enjoys the underdog story and the one thing about the his they're always the underdog. So it it is fun for for everyone. Even even people outside of the bay area with win the as win. It's always an interesting story. I think one thing that that people, you know, just aren't really aware of us last season. The as scored more runs than than every team in the major leagues. Save for three. The Red Sox the Yankees in the Indian yet during the second half of the year. They outscored everybody by a lot. Yeah. So this this young offense that the as of put together as a really, you know, productive and potent force. You know, it, you know, it's not just that they had enough to get by. They were one of the top offenses in the league. So if the if you know if they can keep the pitching together the bullpen, strong, certainly if they can keep that starting pitching together through the first half. Anyway, when it looks to be a little weak, and then maybe get some reinforcements in the second half. You can strengthen that pitching for for the run without even having to go out and make. Heels hopefully, just internally from from all the guys you've got coming back from injuries in the second half being able to provide a bit of a boost. But I think the health and the performance of the starting staff one way or another is is gonna be what determines the twenty nine thousand nine season for the as one way or another.
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Starting 9 Episode #66 - WS Recap & Hello Offseason
Walk back to starting nine episodes, sixty six. It is. The season finale of starting nine that doesn't mean that we're going anywhere Dallas's here. J as here. It just means that our beloved game the season is now behind us. It's sad. It's sad. Because I feel like, you know, Dallas j we live and breathe baseball. As do our listeners the grounds crew, this is this is our life. We love baseball. It's it's a celebration of our great game today. We're gonna talk about the World Series. We're gonna look ahead to the off season. But it's also a little sad time. Because there's there's no more baseball to watch and less and less. You hop on a bird and you'll leave the country. That's right and go somewhere else to go see some baseball. So, but we we just real in. That's the rewind real in button that I just played baseball air Zona corrobos. Sure are they're playing baseball in the air result of folly. And that's another league that the starting nine is looking to bring directly into your lap to your device to your pod listening ears. The folly the lead comprised of everybody's raw natural talent AA prospects kids chicken the door down and AAA trying to make their way to the Biblis. They're all hunkered down right now in the middle of the desert era Zona playing in the zone of fall league. So get it's everybody's prospects. In an entire league teamed up together. So you get teams from the as from the Mariners from the Rangers their prospects. All on one club battling it out against everybody else's prospects over the course of I believe like a six to eight week time period and that all goes down in. Zona in the desert. So tomorrow is the Zona fall league the all star game. That's right. So all the all stars for to fall league. We'll be stranded on tomorrow. Corrobos? I am seriously kicking around the idea of getting on of Buchan bird, maybe tomorrow morning and fly in my ass to air Zona to watch the Zona fall star game. That would be amazing because you know, who you know, what that would make me Dallas. That would make me the first starting nine to lay eyes on one. No, no. Lad juniors gonna be rocking the mic. That's fair. That's my guy. I'm gonna just spoiler alert. Months from now when we do our season preview, we make all of our picks. I'm again going with Ladd junior to win rookie of the year. I picked him for twenty AT and didn't see a game in the big leagues. Which fuck the Blue Jays for that. That he was going to happen. He should have. He should I not. It's not like Toronto is gonna be any closer to contention next year than they were last year. So or maybe not we'll see we'll see we'll see what they do in the offseason. But we have a bunch of bucket lists things that Dallas. And I j or going to attempt to do this offseason. I feel like we've made we've made strides with the podcast we've made strides with the starting nine brand here in twenty eighteen so. I mean, we're going to Vegas. Yeah. We have to go to Vegas. You're absolutely right. The MGM grand is calling our name betas the winner beatings. Yep. So we're looking hit the winner. We had a lot. We got a lot on our plate that we would really like to get done. And I am looking forward to across all tell you this. This is something that I brought up at the beginning of last year that we were like what really and we didn't really do much in regards to because obviously I had the radio show every day. You've got a radio spot every day. We had a lot going on trying to get the power eighty five off the ground. So remember an independently team had reached out and inquired about us managing. Oh, yeah. As as a potential two of the motion, exactly two of them and ongoing not gonna see their name heated. Levels because I reached out yesterday just to circle back and say, hey, so we've got some things in the works. We've got some freedom coming our way, we've got some we've got some flexibility and time what are your thoughts on this? Let's get together. Let's think about this. Because if even if this isn't something, we've got content ideas. So really starting nine fans grounds crew what you can look forward to is our effort trying to bring you baseball from different avenues different venues this off season moving forward into the next year. We touched on the Zona fall league. We've touched on the idea of cruising around some of the winner ball places, you know, the Dominican Venezuela's probably not high on my list right now. Jared I made the food. I'm into freedom. Yeah. But you've got Puerto Rico. I mean, Mexico is right here. I mean, it's quite literally a stone's throw from where I'm at. So you we've got a lot of shit that we want to get done that we want to get to. So it's an exciting off season. Yeah. You're out one where we're just kind of sitting around with with our thumbs up. Our as you mentioned the winter meetings. I mean, there's there's some fun. We'll also this year, which I feel like we are going to be able to execute. You went last year. I was unable to go. The big Papi golf classic. I can go. Oh, you didn't go. You know? I thought I thought you got to go. We'll know then you know, what we're all going. That's right. This will be the year that we make our way out to the Dominican big Papi's golf class dot will be a good time. I'm actually very excited for that. Because it's obviously, you know, we had our tease on starting nine. But the the names that attend this this this charity golf event, it's pretty plentiful. Dallas feel like we could also grab some other guys. More of that. I don't know why this name pops into my head. But it's kinda like a like a bucket list interview for me, Gary Sheffield. Gary Sheffield outdoing love love love to interview. Chef I feel like like Schiff is a guy that I would love to get in a in a back room and and really dip into the to the liquor cabinet and just going on some stories. Yeah. Because you know, he's got him. And you know, you know, he's down he's down to sing what he's comfortable. You know what I mean? So I would love to just hear the stories and stuff I like to hear that kinda shit from a room a warrior titan in town shifts got that mentality. Yeah. He was. He was the perfect blend of old school in new school. Like, he was flashy, but he was still hard nose. Like he was still like a fuck you old school mentality. But he was still kind of a little bit of a mix of this new era where when he got one you knew off the bat that he got one. Oh, and it was it was the combination of the, you know, the flare the risk bans the batting gloves. Like, he was he was styling profile and no doubt. But then he got up there. With that Wagle. Yeah. And it was fucking nightmare time for a pitcher. If you never hit a home run in Whipple ball doing the Gary Sheffield bat Waigel, did you even with a ball as a child? Right. Probably not. Nope. Probably not now is my favorite to do. We got that. That's actually, you know, I love to get the interview number one. Number two. I'd love to play with a ball. Gary sheffield. That's my number. He's going to have to tape that bad upper he's going to he's gonna end up snapping that thing bring it through the Buchan hellish bat speed, you're not if you follow us on social media. You saw that we interviewed Cal Ripken junior that won't be on this particular podcast. We're going to drop that next week this one will solely be focused on kind of like a year in review, we're gonna talk about the World Series. We're going to talk about the offseason, thanks to come. And I guess before we sort of get the show going. I'd like to ask you both the question because I feel like we've been talking about this twenty eighteen twenty nineteen off season for literally years this off season was on my radar two three years ago. Maybe even longer. Are now that we're here. I feel like I don't I don't know what it is. But I feel like it's not gonna live up to the hype. No, no, no, no, no. It is not. It's like some of the names that we anticipated being big names as free agents are no longer the type of gal player that they were at the time. And then you also. Well, we'll we'll say let's let's make that a whole conversation topic because I feel like there's a lot to get into their. But before we get into that. World Series baseball. It was back in Boston. It was back. I don't know if you saw me on the duck boat. Dallas I, but I was slamming some bud heavies high was slamming some bud heavies and we're excited to be teaming up with Budweiser. The official beer of major league baseball Budweiser's all about recognizing championships winning and celebrations something that the city of Boston knows all too. Well, and never gets tired of I can confirm that Budweiser is also there for all the locker room celebrations in this year. The Red Sox were popping Budweiser championship bottles. Grab the legendary logger for legendary moments and watched the SOX beat the dodgers and five for the rest of this off season. I'm sure MLB network will be running it. This bud's for you. And for all baseball fans all postseason long. All off season long and into next season. So let's let's let's start right there because I will convenient book and convenient. Yeah. No. No. No. No. No, no. That's not what I say. I'm talking about just view it as a means to get it out of the way. Okay. That's what I'm talking about. Before the ad. I said it was wanna start with the with the off season and how to three years ago, maybe even four years ago. We were looking down the road at this offseason. We were looking at the names, and I remember I don't know as recently as two years ago being like holy fuck. This is the mother load and now it's like. Yeah. I remember this is this is what I remember about it. I remember people throwing around half a million dollars and how a billion dollars. Yeah. Billion dollars laughing looking at me and saying that with like with a level of sincerity and a level of seriousness that I don't think I would ever really be able to wrap my head around handing and individual five hundred million. And that was real talk. It was like, oh, yeah. It was like you don't think Bryce Harper is gonna come in five hundred million dollars ten years five. You don't what you don't think. Machado could get near that. And I'm going who the? Who the like what couldn't even I just couldn't even begin to wrap my head around to to hell with any sort of a TV deal radio to hell with any sort of deal. Coming your way, you're gonna sign over five hundred million dollars to a guy when we have seen again. The craziest thing to think about is that a pitcher so far in max Scherzer has been the one and only guy to live up to the dick Yetlis Jaya dropping off striking contract. He's lived up to and virtually surpassed the totality of that contract. Already the life of that contra I'm sure agents, not censor up. But with firs are he's an outlier, and I feel like agents are going to use max Scherzer is sort of a benchmark being like see sometimes these big deals can work. Out but off the top of your head. Can you think of another one where it was like? Yeah. That that's just it. Nope. And that's my point is it's people are going to look at that. And go look, this is how much of an outlier this is the one position that you would really want to lock down for that period of time. But would be very scared to do. So because of the vulnerability to injury with a pitching arm. I don't know if we want to give that money. Well, they did. And it's worked out very very nicely for the nets. But this last offseason again, I will this is off season this last offseason this last bridge market that is one that will be referenced for the remainder of time in baseball history. When we saw the market correct itself when the baseball people who start paying baseball players money said, you know, what we're no longer going to be paying Bryce Harper for what he's done up into this point yet. We now have the math in front of us. And we now have the. Valuation tools in front of us are disposal to determine whether or not this guy is a ten year five hundred and the fuck in math just doesn't work out. These days getting five hundred million dollars Sniffen four hundred million dollars. No, I would be very very very shock should either. One of these dudes sniff three hundred million dollars. Ooh, I think I think price I think price could come close. Like if you what they're going to be looking at show. They're going to be looking at a ton of data. But I'm sure they're also going to be looking at the age curves. Like the wins above replacement age curves. And you pay these guys fifty million dollars a year for five years. No. I think why not that's that's three hundred million dollars over the course of a contract. I feel like his contract is gonna far exceed five years. I mean, the new, but that's my point. So so so you're not willing to pay a VP for the condensed period of time. When theoretically that would be when you're getting your best Bryce Harper shares. A why would you so why would you not be willing to quote, unquote, pay for those best years knowing that those really the only years you wanna make? So if you're going to have to worry about a hundred twenty million dollars on the back end of a contract, and what to do with that all Miguel Cabrera. Why would you take that risk? Why wouldn't you condense it if you? He's worth that book and much if he's three hundred million dollar man, put your fucking money where your mouth is and sign up for five years. See how it pans out willing to do that? But you know, what's going to happen? Right. I mean, the new trend is the opt out clause. Yeah. Sure. So you go. So you go five years three hundred million dollars. What what does that that's two hundred million dollars? If there's no advantage to the team to give him a five year three hundred million dollar contract instead of a ten year three hundred billion dollar contract. And that doesn't help the team at all. Yeah. Could just front-load the thing. Yeah. If it's the same amount of total dollars, and you're getting them for half as long that. That's not like the idea would be to to take Dallas's suggestion, which I think has a lot of merit. If you were to take that it would be like fifty million dollars per year over four years as opposed to thirty million dollars a year over like ten years, there has to be some sort of overall dollar benefit for the team to be able to do that. Yeah. I'm I'm just thinking you're capitalizing like instead of because they're going to like, I don't know. Is it a thought that you're eating that money on the back like how you feel about Albert pools contract right now do you want to be in a situation with Bryce Harper fucking? No. But you're also talking about a player that is signing a ten year deal potentially far sooner than pools did. But with Bryce Harper, and this is I don't know I guess from a baseball fan perspective. He's how old is your heart. Here drops twenty six. Twenty six twenty. So just I just remember thirty seven years old. Do you want to be paying somebody twenty five thirty million dollars? He just he just turned twenty six in October. So next year would be as age twenty seven season. I know twenty six excuse me. So yeah, at thirty six years old thinking about paying a Bryce Harper thirty six who plays the game the way he does who's probably going to tick down a notch in speed, which means the defensive prowess isn't what it's going to be. And you're now back in the same boat where you're paying a guy for what he had done as opposed to what he's going to do for you. Right. But I think the other thing that we haven't yet mentioned is that there's already been report that he's basically got like a handshake agreement of where he's going to go. So that and that was going to be what I was gonna say earlier was as a baseball fan that kind of take some of the excitement out of the off season. I was ready for Harper. Watch already for some of his Instagram posts where he was going to. Play games with where he might be going. But apparently he already knows where he's going the team knows where he's going. I find I also find it odd that it hasn't leaked it. Well. Well, I'll say this too. And and you can take this for what it's worth the Chelsea jeans who covers the team for I believe the Washington Post. Came out and said that that was the forest was joking when he said that and I listened to the audio, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of funny coming out of Scott Boris in that interview, but she was insistent that it was a joke. So maybe does maybe he doesn't. But I still think there's room for drama in terms of where he goes. Well, I mean, it was kind of like the reason that it's been linked to the Yankees right is because it was the yes network. Who was the yes network that actually dropped that? Yes. So so that's why because you would think to yourself well one why would the fucking Yonki network be dropping this? If the Yankees didn't have the inside track like, they're not the horse on the rail. Then why the fuck they come out with that? Why would they why would their group why would their brand why would anybody be putting anything out there? If you weren't the ones tied to Harper. So that's. I was like someone from a source within the Yankee say, it's not them. Yeah. But I mean, let's be Jared waters. Not what I said, it doesn't make it. True. I believe that whatever report is saying that price operas made up his decision. The whatever it's done deal. It's it's not the Yankees. That's not to say that the Yankees can't be like, hey, can we change your mind? Also, also just remember that every single thing that comes out of a runoff person front office personnel or is leaked to the media. And and laundered that way is done with the idea of decreasing the market for these players. So that these guys can get them cheaper every single thing. This being said right now goes back to that point this this supposedly decreased market or Manny Machado bullshit bowl. Yeah. Shit bullshit. This this is this is the time of year. Jay where the the age old practice. This is the time. Where are this is like the last frontier? This is the Alaska of baseball free. Agency, because your calculator can't tell you whether or not I'm telling you the truth. Your algorithms can't tell you whether or not I'm telling you the truth. You will we have to rely on who you know, what they know. And what they're telling you based on on what's real and what's not in front of your face right now. So the agents can drum up interest by telling you about mystery team x and mystery team Y and the teams can try to shoot down that percolating interest by tell you that this guy at an injury, or this guy's got clubhouse issues, or whatever it may. So this is like the last time before you really start to break down who these players are that you can try to throw some shit to the wall and see if it'll stick and muddy the water or murky the negotiating waters for you to your benefit. Because after this the numbers are what they are. How you evaluate me? That is what it is. And the arbitrators are going to figure that out. Not that this matters curious to get both of your opinions on this. It's obviously these two are the top two. But how would you going into free agency? You right now rank. These two players many Machado, Bryce, who's number one. I like see like you can go if you're going one way with Harper than that's essentially three ways with Machado. What I mean by that is looking at Harper your boys outfielder when he's done being out builder. He's going to be a D H slash verse. Basement. Exactly. So then you take Machado, and what can he do? He can play a premium shortstop position for you right now in his mind, and in from there if the wheel start to create a little he can make his way over to third base and stay hot and stay stationary. I don't ever see Manny Machado making his way over to first base. I mean, maybe the height and complete and total lack of movement. Find him there. But then he slides into a D H spot as well. So I I just think I think people like Machado and the defense that he provides and could potentially provide the left side of an infield for foreseeable future as opposed to Bryce Harper and his potential outfield assists numbers or you know, the the DRS for him defensively and Machado just I think you you'll take Machado. Some breaking news here. Ken Rosenthal says that the cubs are picking up the twenty million dollar option on Cole hamels. So he'll stay with the Cubbies. That was expand. Well, yeah. I would say it's more expected than not expect twenty million dollars is a lot, but he pitches fucking balls off for for the Cubbies down the stretch there but back to Manny Machado and Bryce Harper. Which one of these guys makes more. Total dollars with their contract. I will say Bryce Harper. I think I think there's just there's a flash of flare about that. Someone's gonna fall in love with j I don't think there's a topic that we've discussed that I've been more inconsistent on in terms of which of these people I prefer in a long term deal. I do agree with that was. So I think I think push comes to shove that Harper's gonna get the larger contract. I also wonder if and this is just speculation. But given the he is Boris and Machado is not I do wonder whether Harper and his team will prioritize the larger contract of the two more. So than the Chato side will that's I I don't have any inside info. That is that is a that's that's a great point you. Hey because you're talking about bores. This is the guy is the first guy to negotiate the fifty million dollar deal. The first got negotiate the hundred million hundred fifty two hundred two hundred fifty million three hundred million. That's the same fucking do the same guy. So he's got bars. He's looking to set for himself as well. And you wonder if Bryce Harper with the youth on his side, I mean because what hit him and Manny or essentially the same age. They not. Yep. Couple years the same age. So. That is something. That's that's a variable that you have to factor in is the representation because it could be one camp telling guy this is the best. We're going to do. Let's go here. What are you worried about you? You know, you're gonna be fine. Or it's a, you know, hey, I've also got something on the line here. We're not taking less than this because I'm not fucking going down. Well, and to that point the not taking less than this. Here's a question for you too. How important do we think like Dallas you like, I don't even know if they'll get three hundred million I've been with you the whole way on this five hundred four hundred saying being completely ridiculous. But I do think Giancarlo Stanton's contract represents something of a benchmark for these guys to try exceed. And I listen if you Manny Machado agent or your Bryce Harper's agent, you're walking into than go Chichan room like. Insulted is a strong word, but like. If if Giancarlo Stanton is on a three hundred twenty five million dollar contract. It is not inserted for these two players. Who are I would say objectively superior baseball players has Giancarlo Stanton to to demand or to say we deserve more money than this not only because we're better players. But because this is a market where multiple teams are bidding on us as opposed to Stanton's contract where it wasn't negotiation with one team, right? Well, see stints deal when I look at Stanton's deal. I think about who he was where he was going what his skillset provides and the atmosphere in which he would be competing for the next in years. So you've got the man who hit the most home runs going to the most laughable ballpark in baseball surrounded by the largest market in the game on a team that has postseason ready. So that guy right there. He's going to allow the New York Yankees to capitalize on him being a part of that team. And he is going to capitalize almost instantaneously by being a part of that lineup. The line of bit has hit the most home runs. The most prolific power lineup that we saw in baseball in that ballpark again in that division again where their biggest bowl was the Boston Red Sox. And there was a ten game separation between them in the top. So they feel like if we can figure out the Red Sox we can figure out the division. And we know where we're going to be these other guys does Bryce Harper in a SunTrust park. Give you the same like guaranteed forty a year that Stanton gives you sitting in New York Yankee sitting in buck Yankee Stadium just Machado. Give you platinum level. Gold defense, or you'll platinum level deepens in your mind, if he's in chevet in Seanez ravine for the next seven years and him. Thirty the next seven like does he give you that? What I'm getting at is. I see Stanton in a Yankee uniform in that Bandbox on that team. And I think to myself. Holy fuck for the next ten years. I really do. I really genuinely do when I see Harper Machado in any other teams lineup in any other teams ballpark. I just don't get that same feeling. There's a couple of points that I want to make here you talked about Stanton. I don't think that it's likely, but do either of you get the sense that the Yankees might look to move Stanton this off season in an attempt to free up some money to spend elsewhere on these two guys. No, no. No, they got there. They went to. Yeah. They win. They've got him. They went and got there. It was. I mean, they had the choice between him and JD Martinez, and they took him, and I feel like they would have made a play last year to keep themselves in a position to not have to commit that much money knowing that these guys would be available at this time of year. So they can move some things around Scher cutting that big of a piece out of the puzzle. I just don't see happening. I mean there were whispers of this last off season. Like, I mean Stanton had even played a game for the Yankees yet. And they're kind of some whispers that that was the play you go out you need a big bat for this year, you go get Stanton. Maybe flip into the dodgers flip into the giants. And now you free up your money for either Manny Machado or Bryce, hyper. I get it. Like, intellectually, it could make some sense. But let me answer the question this way who who is taking on that contract right now. Like, we're if we're talking about the market from Chato and Harper. Is like let's say it's it's confined to six to eight teams. Right. And and I think. Eight actually ridiculous. But if it sixteens how like how are we? How are we finding a home for Giancarlo Stanton? The Yankees paying down a hundred million dollars of that deal because it's the same that we're suitors last year. I mean, it's not like stint put up a sticker year, you hit thirty eight bombs like almost thirty doubles drove one hundred runs. It's going to be the same teams that needed an offense a boost last off season that were in on Stanton. And then he went elsewhere. And it's like there was nothing else. Besides JD Martinez who mysteriously had a market of essentially one team. So I never understood in hindsight. Yeah. The teams that missed on Stanton. Did not then say all right. We want JD Martinez. They were like oh fuck we missed on Stanton. And then they just kinda nothing like the giants and the dodgers didn't go out and do something last off-season to make up for losing out on Stanton. So I would imagine that if they were that in on him. Last winter that if Stanton were to become available again, they would have to be in on him. Again, he all out there and just put up another Munster season. But I think the JD Martinez situation kinda showed these teams, you know, what maybe there's just not going to be the clamoring for these guys. And maybe it's because the money situation is what it is. So again, this is a collective group looking at this amount of money this player going not up about it yet. That's your boy for sure now that we've kind of come down off of this high of chasing one of these two prolific power hitters and the dust is settled we realize that you have this amount of money committed to this guy, and you didn't get to the eating you didn't get to where you wanted to be. You didn't win the fucking ring. So like, he it's it's it's not a guarantee to get you where you wanna be when you sign these types of guys. So maybe this gives teams pause and gives them a moment to to. To rethink their approach and how they want to build their franchises moving forward. Because we've already started to see the guys that are being paid attention to right now very early on relievers. Let me let me say this. 'cause I'm not sure I buy the premise that the teams that were interested in Stanton. Last time are going to automatically be interested in this time. And like his season was good. It was a far far fry from his twenty seventeen season in every possible way. Like, if I think everyone expected that though I think everyone who could ever on Carlos Stanton was women to the Yankees, and maybe the dodgers and the giants and and the giants we'll say those three teams if it was limited to those three teams last offseason. Okay. And that was coming off a fifty nine Homer season where his OPN was north of the thousand his season this year, his opiates drop by one hundred and fifty points. He had fifty more strikeouts. And he has two hundred and seventy million dollars still coming to him. And he's almost three full years older than Bryce Harper three years. I just don't see like unless new Yankees were. So. Motivated to do this that they're like are we will pay down one hundred million dollars from Stanton's contract? So that we can free up the one seventy that we no longer. Oh him and we can put that towards the three hundred million dollar Bryce Harper contract. Okay. Maybe that happens. But I'm not sure that that's a net gain for them financially. I think you can also take the giants out of the equation because as you've pointed out in the past Jay they've got like a hundred twenty million dollars already committed to their roster for next year. And I think that's all pre are too. And the giants trying to figure out their front office right now like trying to their identity as a team. Yeah. They're one of the teams that we could potentially kick around later as to who the fuck just tears it down and starts all over giants might be one of those quotes. If even can't like they have a lot of they have a lot of money right now on the books for players that I don't wanna say are virtually immovable, but you can say you can say, okay, they they have a lot of guys that are close to being immovable. And if they were to move them you'd have to eat north of fifty percent of what they're what they're owed. So yeah, I would take the giants out of the equation. But it's just that there is just no it isn't. And it's the giants theory. I think like we can take them out. But I I looked at the Vegas odds yesterday. And I want to say that they're like now it's a distant fourth from the top three. But I wanna say their fourth in the bidding or the likelihood of signing harbor or Machado. I think it was Harper and like to me investing three hundred million dollars in one of these guys were acquiring Giancarlo Stanton, where he's owed will say two hundred forty million dollars or whatever. Moving forward. I think that would be the biggest mistake that the giants could make because there is not a single individual player or even a pair of players that you could plug onto that team added make a material difference for where they they are in the standings like the Padres. The Padres are coming. The dodgers are already here. The Rockies are a better roster. Even if the giants add Bryce Harper, it's like to me they need to face the reality. And I think the names that they've we don't need to go into this. But the names that they've put out there as possible GM candidates would suggest to me that they're doing this situation seriously and not just business as usual for the giants. Oh, no, they're they're knocking on the door of of the dodgers they're knocking on four hundred eighties door. See, I'm hey, you were out here in the bay for a while with Oakland. You know, we we've got a little bit of coin is. Well, we got some cheese. We'd like to throw around thoughts on coming to San Francisco, my friend. So you're right j they booking around, but they're in a position, right? Now where they just don't have anybody ready to make those moves. So it's going to be interesting off season for the giants specifically because they've got some front office issues to iron out before they can start figuring shit out on the field. Yeah. One name that. We haven't mentioned yet. In terms of this free agent class would be the guy right behind potentially Manny Machado and Bryce Harper. That's Clayton Kershaw who extended the window on when to announce whether or not he's opting in to stay with the dodgers or opting out to become a free agent. We are recording this at eleven thirteen eastern time and Kershaw has until four PM to make his decision. I despite there's obviously been I feel weird even calling it a downward trend because he's still a damn good pitcher. But it's impossible to maintain the godlike numbers that he was putting up in the regular season. So in the interest of being fair. He's not the same pitcher that he was that's fair. But he's still an ace. He's still a guide. It's going to anchor a staff. He's still one of the best regular season pitchers in baseball. If Clayton Kershaw were to opt out. Next year would be his age thirty one season. I believe he would be leaving fifty five million. No, sixty five million dollars on the table. He would be paid thirty two million next year thirty three million twenty twenty. So he's leaving two years sixty five million on the table, which if he were to opt out. In re-sign with the dodgers or sign with the new team. I don't think that he would make thirty two million in twenty nineteen. I don't think he would make thirty three million in twenty twenty. But I think if he would opt out right now at this age, and and re up with the new deal. He's probably going to make more money over all if he were to play out nineteen and twenty with this contract and then signed a deal after twenty twenty. So I think that the play right now. I don't I honestly don't believe that he's gonna leave the dodgers. But the if you're smart, if you're Clayton Kershaw, the move is opt out re up with the dodgers make more money overall. So you you say the move is to opt out. Yes. Yeah. No, not for me. Not at all. No, take cheese. No, no. He's not going anywhere. I don't think he's going anywhere. But I think if he were to tell you right now, I feel like the. Dodgers. If anybody has a feel for who Clayton Kershaw is what Clayton Kershaw can be in the postseason if anybody's gotta feel that it's the Los Angeles Dodgers and based on what they've seen. Do you feel that they trust Clayton Kershaw? Yes. Yes. I do. I do don't. I just think that if Clayton Kershaw op so it gave now you gave gave one to review. Yeah. But I mean, like it's just going to say that, but he's still got him one of the World Series cute. That's. That was out of necessity. This was because they were like. Nope. Reused the match up here. Like sorry. If you're handing a guy thirty a million dollars a year. He's always the matchup game. One got it. He's not David price. Did not get in the matchup game one thirty million dollars. We'll guess you was the guy who got that fucking matchup. Oh, the other guy. Yeah. Yeah. Chris. Okay. So there's a difference. Who's I you tell me were you is the Chris sale to fuck in Clinton kershaw's David price zone. We're talking thirty million dollar pitchers. Getting a game to start. Are. We not. I'm telling you Clayton Kershaw is not your fucking thirty million dollars pitcher, though that's Clayton Kershaw. That's the butts Clayton Kershaw and the dodgers have the feel that Clayton Kershaw is just not the guy that you like he's their guy by virtue of will that's going to be the one like, he's our he's our horse. He's our stellar. He's our study he's the one who's in line for those starts. But if they had somebody I mean, and this is will no shit. They had somebody better. But I feel like they like the potential of a Walker bueller on a grander scale than maybe Clayton Kershaw. He starts to get older. I I don't disagree with that. I, but I do think the Kershaw situation. I think the teams are are telling us the message. I think if I'm wrong about this. I will publicly apologize on the next podcast. But I think this is the easiest call of the offseason he's going to opt out by the four deadline, and and with that news or very Harry shortly after we're. Going to get news at the dodgers. Clayton Kershaw have agreed to a new contract that is going to that is going to pay him something in the ballpark of one t four to twenty eight million dollars per year over four or five years. I think that's I I think that is so obviously going to happen. And I get Dallas point like, I think if the dodgers are going to take if they're going to get over this hump so to speak, and that's a little bit unfair. Because the you know, the postseason is a little bit of a of a luck vase cluster. Fuck and they happen to run into a historically outstanding team this year and last year in some senses. But if they were able to get over this hump, I do think it's going to be with Walker. Bueller as de-facto number one. But that doesn't mean the Clayton Kershaw at twenty five million dollars a year or twenty seven million dollars a year. Can't be the number two guy for them. Like, I just feel like there's too much history between these two teams key is still too important to what they wanna do. And just as relevant if they let him go where they decided or he opts out, and they decide to play hardball or whatever there really is not a ready made replacement out there available on the market that makes me feel better than if Clayton Kershaw were slotted in there. No. No corden, I I mean, I know that Corbin had in some ways a superior season to Clayton Kershaw. But like, I think we're kidding ourselves. A little bit if we're super super confident that Patrick Corbin like, yes, he may be better than I do think. It's a very interesting question as to which would you rather invest one hundred twenty five million dollars in Corbin or Kershaw, but I can say that while also is knowledge in the idea that I don't have a great deal of personal faith that I can project Patrick corbin's next season or his next two or three seasons. The one thing you got. So so so so you're taking Clayton Kershaw. Is it fair to say he's what eighty percent himself eighty five percent? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're taking eighty five percent Kershaw as opposed to one hundred percent, Patrick, Gordon. On. I'm not talking shit on that. I'm just saying. Yeah. Yeah. Clean. That's Clayton Kershaw is like your people would would take a lesser than stellar him. Over the best version of a lot of other guys. Absolutely. And I also think that it's an easier decision. When one of those guys is already inside of your house. You know what I mean? And you have a fifteen year, you know, going back to when he was drafted you have close to a fifteen year relationship with the guy he has won multiple Cy Young awards. And I and I get it passed site young awards are not what you should be basing future contracts on. But the dodgers are operating in a space where you know, if they overpay. Clayton Kershaw by five million or seven million dollars a year on his next contract. They can they can survive and they can thrive with that. Whereas some of these teams they can't like Arizona can't afford overpay. Patrick Corbin on his neck. They're not gonna get Patrick orbin. But they couldn't afford to make that mistake. The dodgers can and I think per Shaw's legacy in combination. With the fact that the other options are limited. And I just think there's a mutual everything. I'm reading suggests that there's a mutual interest in continuing this relationship, and I think it's gonna be he ops out and instead of two and sixty six or whatever it is that he's currently owed. He's getting four or five and a bucks thirty or a buck twenty five or something like that. I think I I'm with you Jay that he's going to opt out and re-sign. I think his contract might be lengthier than five years. I think he's gonna get a five year deal. I think it's going to have to option years on the back end, so seven years total. And I think that there's going to be another opt out in this one after three or might be like two and three. Yeah. I feel like it's going to be the whole the whole opt out should for me. Is it loses its interest. When it's just a matter of like, an I'm speaking from a from a fan perspective here like when we start talking about you could opt out well, where would he go if you're just opting out to renegotiate the current contract? That's not really opting out in the in my mind. I mean, it is. But for me, you're opting out to go somewhere else to look at the landscape in is it better. Elsewhere if you're just opting out now because this entire time like the the deadline because look in my heart of hearts, the deadline was pushed back in an effort to dot the i's and cross. Yes. He's on a contract that has already been reworking. That's all the deadline being moved back. Yes about all. Right. If I'm if I'm being completely transparent. But if I back to being if I'm going back to being the Dallas who again is the romance guy who was. Wants to see things just differently as opposed to what they really are. I want him to be thinking about no, I can't get this money anywhere else. I'm going to stay right. The fuck here. This is what I'm gonna. So that's why he's not opting out in my book. But if he's renegotiating the contract, which is ultimately what is going on then. Yeah. Call it an opt out if you will. But he's not fucking often out. He's just renegotiating. Yeah. Let me ask you this about Kershaw. And I know that you guys you saw it in person of the numbers supported, and I'm very curious. It was that the gap between his fastball law city and his slider velocity change in two thousand eleven ten miles an hour between those I mean, you can really in reality. You could substitute any of his offseason pitches for off season. Sorry, not off-season off speed pitches. But I think it was most notable this wider in the series ninety four miles an hour. Eighty four miles an hour that was. Eleven twenty eighteen it's ninety one and eight point five, and I know there were multiple conversations with smokes, and on the Twitter sphere about how that gap in velocity is really just not going to work for him. And no Kershaw Kershaw has come out himself and said that he he one of his offseason goals is to rebuild the lawsuit that he's lost. Now, obviously everybody would love to be able to do that. And we'll see whether you can. But at least in his head to like Dallas. Did you did you see that a and b concern is that little I'm going to draw a name on your right here? Ten lindstrom. Tim lipscomb? I don't wanna hear that name and compare Kershaw. I know you don't and let me tell you something else. You talk about that big curveball, folks. There's reasons why pitches work for certain guys the demise of Adam Wainwright. Is a combination of a lack of a law city and a lack of hair lack a nut sack a lack of fuzz lack of bite on the breaking ball. What why can't you conjure up? We'll because you can't get the fucking arm to move the way you were getting the arm to move prior. And if there's other body parts that are ailing that are affecting that, I don't know like a bad lower back. Those are some things that you pay attention to his ability to repeat now isn't a matter of function. It's a matter of physicality, meaning he hasn't lost his ability to repeat what it takes for him to physically repeat is more demanding than it has ever been. It's not getting easier to do so and when you start to blend pitches, and they start to blend in terms of law city, you become fucked your margin for error becomes miniscule. You'll microscopic. So what happened to Tim skim the ninety six ninety seven with the eighty four eighty five mile an hour change up. Well, that's sorta to to work its way down to a to a ninety two mile an hour fastball. Eighty seven mile an hour eighty nine mile an hour fast ball, eighty five mile an hour changeup. Tim's retired. And the same thing has kind of unfolded with Felix Hernandez. We've seen the fastball velocity of the change of loss. The times it's fucking two miles an hour difference, and it's not a tone of movement difference. And it's just it's it's the same pitch. And so for a guy who has as the slider was developed was reliant on tunneling out of the same slot as that fastball. But had velocity to beat you to a spot. Now, it doesn't and he's tried to he tells himself in his mind. It's a cutter it's a cutter. It's a cutter. It's a cutter not a cutter a slider and. It's going to continue to get bigger. As velocity Wayne's as the Blasi decreases. So the things that keep hitters off balance or location in separation of law city and tunneling. So if the pitch that is coming out of the same spot is no longer coming out in the same spot. And it's no longer fooling you because the fastballs harder. And this is slow will now hitters start to eliminate pitches. They own aside of the plate and you become predictable. Because what one what's blatant Kershaw thrown? You you're getting a hook. You're getting a hook one one from Clayton Kershaw will now if that hooked just doesn't have the downward bite, and it starts to hang around in that strike zone. A little more often, you're a different dude. And you've got to figure out how to get outs in completely different way. And a separation of loss in a blending pitches is not good for anybody. Yes. So we can keep it rolling. By the way, that I almost want to do an emergency podcast, if if Clayton Kershaw ops out, and we absolutely drilled that prediction guy. I'm waiting. My guy Mookie Betts. He's a body. Armor guy. The Red Sox won the World Series. You do the math. So we're doing a little contest over with section. Ten tweet section ten. That's at section ten pod. Pictures of how you are using body armor to celebrate the Red Sox World Series title. It could be at your house watching it on TV. It could be if you were at the game like Dallas, and I were at the game or it could be at the parade wherever wherever you celebrated that World Series title, send pictures video too at section ten pod on Twitter, and we will randomly select a winner to win. A Mookie Betts signed baseball and enough body armor to last you until the next World Series contest. I'm excited. I'm excited for the submissions. Honestly. Jay. Try play a little peppery. No, oh, you know. Gee, this is without question. Our sickest spelled with two sees tickets version of temporary at yeah. All right, boys. We got a lot of transactions to run through rapid fire. Here we go. I'm not even gonna put a clock on it. Because by the time I start the clock. It's going to be time to the next one. That's out SAS forgoing co dim Jared, sunny, not really that fast. Jared I'm gonna start with you. Because number one is near and dear to your heart journey price to the shock of. Absolutely nobody decided that he was not going to opt out of his contract that has a billion dollars remaining on it. Yeah. What were your what were your thoughts? I so as disappointed honestly, I wanted David price to opt out. So that the Red Sox could recite him to a twenty year deal. David price in Boston forever. That's my guy. Couldn't be more proud of him. He's a World Series champion. I Red Sox pitcher since Louis nineteen seventy five to win three straight postseason starts. He won two clinchers. He won two World Series games. That's my guy David price. Four more years. For more years. Let's go price. Not not shocked. No, that's what needed to happen. And I'm just glad that he did what he did in his post game press conference and said what he said look bitches. I got the Trump card now motherfucker you can miss me with that. Can't get it done. Bullshit Nuff who who is your partner to y'all. I'm gonna fucking daddy. That's what he said I call earlier this week. I called into being nation's pre-eminent baseball radio show dialed in with Alice braiding because because basically my baseball the baseball into my Yang is P con because every take he has like the exact opposite of the taken I have, and I just my reaction to this has nothing to do with contract and everything to do with the fact that I will never ever listened to somebody tell me that a person lacks the intestinal fortitude to perform. Any clutch or postseason situation? David price has forever vanquished that as far as I'm concerned. And it's it's like when LeBron one with Cleveland, it was like, I'm never ever listening to that garbage. Again. I'm never listening to anything about lack of balls incapable of pitching in the postseason. David price is now clutch. And if you would have said at the beginning of the postseason that the the maybe other than the Red Sox winning the over riding storyline would be David price rising to the occasion. I could not be happier. Great job David price on. So glad you're gonna get all of your money. And I wish they would have signed him for twenty years. That would have been great not quite as vital to the Red Sox championships, but still important at water Nunez. He also opted into the final year of his believe that will pay him five million dollars. Jared were you disappointed that they did not sign him to a twenty year deal was incredibly disappointed? I want all these guys back. Joe Kelly is a free. Asian want him back. Craig kimbrel is a free agent one mbacke. So we got some things to do the reds. Kind of feels like the Red Sox would have appreciated were to noon is not picking up the phone. Well, I don't know the only one getting that by there. There are a few guys throughout the Red Sox season. Who may have not had great years or great second half that showed up in the playoffs. Nunez showed up in the playoffs. Nunez showed up when it counted. Three run Dinger in the World Series. The guy was diving into the stands to make catches in the World Series. I I don't really like the theory that he could have stopped because he couldn't have jeeter could've stopped for. Sure. Oh, it was. I was trolling the shit at his gang a Yankee fan when that that Nunez catch happened. I was like sorta sort of took flight like jeeter jeeter jumped from like ten feet away from the wall and just kind of flew into the stands. Just saying well, congrats dad WALDO, I think this next one is one that we're going to have a lot of fun with over the next. I I mean, however, long it lasts. It could be like a Phoenix. We could could maybe could be ten years. Maybe we'll all be proven dumb. But the Mets have officially made a guy named Brody. They're g m b v dub as he's now known Dallas will start with you on this one. What is as a person who had a relationship with a agent? What is your thought on that agent then becoming GM of the team where he has about a dozen players represented? Well, if you're one of those players you're pretty much like we'll fuck looks like I'm a met for a while. That's what that's what you got the sense that the relationship is so great between himself and the wilpon 's that the will bonds identified somebody that they feel like they can just maybe run right into that puppetmaster role and kind of keep keep keep businesses usual, but Brody obe- dubs does not appear to see things that way. He even in his short and colorful time with Mike francesa. Has been very adamant about the feeling that his team can compete right now, which that's just not true. And he's talked about building a championship club. And that's what he's interested in doing which those are that's just wallpaper. That's what comes out of new gyms melt. That's what comes out of every g and smell. I think it's. Yeah. Like just me just to take it to the grid. Iron for just a second. People are already calling for John gruden's head people are already questioning whether or not Jon Gruden will finish the NFL season as the coach of the raiders after signing a ten year deal to coach the raiders. So who knows how long this actually withstands the test of time. I don't know how long this goes. But as a player, I'm going, you know, what the fuck like, where's my? Do you care about me? Because this feels like this was solely. Just a you play here in L everybody in his stable kind of gets, you know, divvied up to to the other folks. Tough scene. Tough seem I. The Mets the Mets incompetence now. Bores me. It's just. You could call this outside of the box or or you can just call it like unnecessarily risky. Like, I just don't understand why. I'm bloom was right in front of them. He was a finalist for the job, and he would have addressed by understanding of that guy's credentials. He would have addressed basically everything that has been wrong with the Mets. And or would have had the skill set to address everything that's wrong with the Mets. This just seems like it's just the next apps in a clown show. I love it. It's I love it. They were interviewing him on MLB network. And I could tell Brian Kenny thought it was like the biggest gung show going being like. He's trying to like ask him questions. I feel like Brian Kenny was towing the line of asking the type of questions that we would wanna ask while trying to keep it in a professional tone. And it was very impressive. It was very impressive. How he handled it? But if you're a Mets fan is this something that you look at it and just go what I fundamentally don't understand what the fuck were doing. Yeah. Your and that's exactly that's exactly because the Yankees were like fucking Boone the Mets. Fuck it Calloway Red Sox for like fucking Cora. All right. All right. Well, well, are everybody's gone? It's archer. No luck. We're going an agent agent. You want somebody to sign players. What book? Yeah. GM we're going to sign an agent who's better at signing players in agent. That's right. So we got agent they'll sign our guys. It makes a lot of sets told us science when you think about it. It's fucking science who's good sign of people agents. Who should we get to sign? Our guys fucking agent. Yeah. Let's do it. What's? Lunch. How about how about that interview with francesa where it was golden? I mean, basically might might who's better than us. Oh, the boys about the Braves are much better team. Like, we just completed a season the seat or hundred sixty two games just finish. Where the brea proved that they were like fifteen games better than the Mets. Like what what this is? What kind of question is that like, I know francesa's kind of a moron. But like he's not so slow is not know, what the standings of the NFL east were like, you know, who's better also the Phillies and also nationals wake your teams out good. Well, his answer BB's answer to this question was really all I needed to hear. I wanted to just turn it off or turn it up to laugh more because I had no idea it was coming to when when my Princess asked him who's your cleanup hitter? And he responded with we'll have to wait and see then that is not a good answer. That is not a good answer. Why telling the I not I have one guy jer who has cleared up next year for the Red Sox. I'm on. I'm just saying Jared who cleanup for the pleaded for the Oakland A's next year. Not olsen. I mean, it could be it. Probably Chris Davis. I like him I like higher up. But the idea is you've got more than one name you can identify in a lineup. That is one that you are not around every single day. The point is if you are the general fucking manager of a major league baseball team, but don't any Aldo, foreshadowing and active offseason. That's this is no you not being able to give me a single name that you could be competent in that. Lineup. I know that the Mets are joke. Not a lot of Mets fans listen to the show, and I wanna give them a glimmer of hope of if general manager is brand new, and they say who is your who's your cleanup hitter next year. And he says we'll have to wait and see I think what he meant by. That is like we're to have an active offseason. Not like one of the guys that we have. I don't know. I don't even know who I don't think that's what he meant by that. I think he said we're gonna we're gonna have an active offseason when I'll tell you, April, the reason, you don't get away with that is because the words that he used prior to that we're ones that made you as a Mets fan, if you're still alive believe that you kinda just got fucked over this year. Like, you just missed the postseason. We could compete with anybody. That is just not even close to being factually true. That's not even close to being back. So you don't get to say something like that where you think we can compete right now. Yes. I do. Okay. Who's your cleanup hitter? I don't know. You don't you know, fucking clue who could hit fourth for you. But you think that you got fucked. You think the team was right there ready to compete this year. I mean, the answer would be his right. But with the foot injury, the he'll stuff like so I understand where you're coming from like let him and the hesitation to answer. Yeah. Sort of foreshadow eight active offseason foreshadow him making his was the safe answer, of course. But it's a bullshit answer. And it's not one that I can even mostly what analysts have given that you would have been like all right? I see. Well, we've got a guy like Jay, Bruce we can plug in. We obviously have a guy like you in assessment is. But he's got some health injuries. We'll see how it comes play the other side of it. Then if I'm a Mets fan, and he says, you know, who's your cleanup hitter next year, and he's like Jay, Bruce. Bam. No hesitation, then he's implying. We're not making any any additions to the middle of this. This lineup. If if he stops there or if he if he expounds on that it's as of right now, we've got a pretty big bat in the middle of that lineup. Lefty Jay, Bruce. We obviously have cesspits on the mend. So as things start to shape up, and we start to put together our ballclub. I think we'll have a much better idea what our lineup looks like as a whole. But as of right now, if you were asking me who I need to plug into the middle of that lineup. It's a thirty home run hitter. Jay, Bruce, that's going to be our. And that's how you answer that question. I guess I'm just trying to look at it from all sides because if you if you mentioned cesspits, and you mentioned Jay, Bruce. But then you leave the door open for it not being either of those guys. Now, you're kind of sending the message that. Yeah. These are the guys that we have right now. But I think we can do better. Answer. It is the right answer like you can do better. But what if you what if you swing and miss via free agency or the trade market? And it's like, oh, remember that time that are brand new general manager imply that he could do better. And then he didn't he's gotta just sitting himself fail. I don't mind the answer saying, I don't know. I mean, we'll white safe. If you're if you're telling me that he's foreshadowing inactive offseason. That's exactly what foreshadowing active season is doing is. It's telling the fans and the players that all of you guys right now like I can't even draw Thuc in line about boys. I can't even put a line about. So how do I feel about any of you? I can't I have no idea. So I think I can do a hell of a lot better right now what I have. That's so like for you to not be able to identify your cleanup hitter. And you're telling me that that's because you don't want to say that you think you can do better will if you can identify your cleanup hitter. That's exactly what you're saying. I feel like I can do better on the whole around everywhere here. So I don't know vendor. Second. It's it's a luxury to be able to identify your cleanup hitter for twenty nineteen. I won't disagree with that. I won't disagree with that. This is all on the heels of him telling francesa that he feels like they have a competitive team. And that he feels like they can compete right now. So francesa hit him with your competitive. You feel like you can compete who's your fucking cleanup hitter. That's what rinse is it did to him and put him in that box. If you asked me another team that has been putting something of a box perhaps JT real Muto via his agents, they've expressed their well, they said they're not going to be with the Marlins in two thousand nineteen are real Muto was easily the best catcher in major league baseball last year. Four point eight wins above replacement per fan graphs that was nearly a win and a half better than any other catcher. If you guys had to guess, you think real Moutoa suiting up for the Marlins at the beginning of April next year. Fuck no. He doesn't wanna be there. I we've been here. I've heard those rumors for I mean, well, I mean he basically implied that he said he said he wanted to get traded last offseason. So how'd that work out and how it didn't work out? But right, and he's in the same. I don't know if he's looked around. He's in the same harbor these in the same boat. All right. If you're the moral control zero control, he could just be he can be vocal. He doesn't doesn't. Because if you're the Marlins, and you have a guy that saying yes, there is a zero percent chance that I am signing an extension with this team. Now, if you're the Marlins, you have to say, well, we gotta get something for this guy because we know he's gonna walk. They wouldn't pay him. Anyway, even even if he wanted to stay I don't think that the Marlins would be in the running to sign him to to an extension or a free agent contract. So you gotta get something for this guy's stock is never been higher. You have a team in the Milwaukee Brewers. That's definitely going to be interested if his name. There's a lot of teams. I mean, the nationals would be another team the Phillies after losing out. Wilson Ramos is a free agent. There's there's a bunch of teams that are going to be interested in willing to pay a premium for a catcher like like real Mutoko basis say still on based on them to go. She was Stanton. And how that went in the return? They got jerked d do you really see them shoot themselves over not biting though, because we're talking about over three hundred million dollars. I think the return yelich was pretty big. But I'm on. I'm not asking about yellow I'm asking their Morial narrative players you're looking for a cost control guy. You're looking for a guy in the cheap. The the return for for real Mutola would be pretty solid if the Marlins do it, right? And I know that they are the laughing stock of baseball in terms of how the decisions that they've made. But I don't think that anyone looked at the return for yelich and said, wow, you know, that they got fleece there. Like, I don't see that. No. Because the one thing what will happen now is what he's two years away. He has two years of control. Right. He'll be. So they'll wait and see what they've got see how it plays out. This would have to be the year that you get something for him not necessarily. I mean, I think oh, this is your best opportunity. It's the year that yourself. Right. Because then you find yourself in the Orioles Machado Orioles Britain scenario where fucking idiots. That's the Marlins are fucking. It is too. I. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I didn't want to have to take another ten minutes. Fine. Thank you lift them. So I mean, dude, it's not just as as easily like they make sense the approach makes in how we're discussing it. But just because it makes sense does not mean that that's how that is going to unfold. I just don't look I am with the player. I'm always with the player. But I am not with the player when they choose to be actively ignorant about a situation and to just say that you're not going to be there is like you don't control that you just don't. And if you think you do by virtue of your behavior, or whatever you're you're not doing yourself any favors at that point in time. So well play the game let the chips fall where they may best thing. You can do is continued to be the player that you are telling them you are forcing them. Them to recognize that you are and eventually becoming sated as such. So I guess I'll ask both of you is is real Mutoko moved this offseason. 'cause I feel like there's there's a chance, but I don't think it's it's obviously, you know, duck because we know what happened last year. We know what happened. He said I want to get get me the fuck outta here. I feel so bad for the guy because everyone else got the jumped ship like Zun agos Stanton goes yelich goes great for those guys 'cause they all moved onto team that either made the playoffs God damn near close. And then all JT gets stuck in fucking Miami has a monster season that three people saw and his value has never been higher. If you're Miami. Why not move him with two years left? You're never values never going to be higher. And there is a demand for for hidden catchers with teams that have a lot of pieces that they could move to acquire him. If you're if you're jeeter and. Focused on this rebuild do it. Now get out of the way early. Why why waste another season in Miami? When you have a return to get him outta here. No, I'm with you. You know, I I would love I would love and we're going to get into this later. But I would love to see the Oakland A's start to get active in some of these talks. I would love to see that. I know that rice. Hey. You don't you? Don't scoff at that. It was a one year deal. Lucre is a one year deal. Coming back is Kurt Suzuki's a free agent. Right. Yeah. Coaches. I don't know. I don't know that that happens because the thing is is the A's have a kid in AAA right Now, Sean Murphy who they are very high on Chinese. He sounds like a kid from Saugus Sean ver he's a east from right state is where he went to school. I believe, but he's he he's I think he's like twenty four twenty five knocking on the door. But should he not be ready for whatever reason? Should they not have the confidence in him for whatever reason? I mean, a Sean Murphy AJ puck. I don't know if that's a little too aggressive on our end up probably but coming off the tee. Jay, I don't know real mutual could be a great bit for a young staff a young backstop. They can very well. Grow into their own together. I just again crop said I want to get too deep into that. But with the way things are going in Oakland. Yeah. I think it's becoming a more realistic expectation that money gets spent two sitting on the wallet. Okay. I loved it. I had that money makes its let's Dallas. Brayden a little bump in pay. I feel like he deserves it after this twenty what what are your what? Thank you. Thank you. You walk them. I I mean, I feel like Jared, and I are big pardons prop you up, but that's that's probably different conversations Opie league-wide Opie s out of catchers this past season was six seventy eight. JT Muto's was eight twenty five to answer your questions here. I think he gets moved. I don't think he's part of the next grade Marlins team. And no matter whether you do it by opiates or by war he has literally gotten better every single season. He's played a major league baseball since two thousand fourteen feel like that's it is good. I think that's the way you want to trend. I understand numbers correctly. Yes. Yankees agree to a one year deal with Brett Gardner. What we're our reactions somewhat surprised. Hubs was babbling about how this was it for Gardner how they weren't going to bring him back. And he also said something outrageous, like if the Yankees didn't bring him back that he just would've flat out retired because he only wants to play for the Yankees there. There's no fucking chance at that would have Hobbs. I don't know. I think that you ought to poison the kid's brain, and he just been spewing out garbage ever since he doesn't. I don't even think he knows planet. He's on any more. It's it's such a it's yes, this makes sense. Yeah. This is this is Brett garner entering that phase of his career where you take the team friendly deal. You take a knock you take a little bit of a haircut to be a part of something he understands that. That's who he is. As a player. He is. He's more of a guy who will be a part of something moving forward. Then be an integral part of if that makes sense. He is a run player movie. Foreign he's a lefty at bat off the bench a platoon guide moving forward. And when you're in the situation, you're in New York. Work, and it's home your competitive. You understand who you are as a player today? You understand the need? You have a great idea of how you fit in this works out for everybody. You know who else do that though? Oh who see see of bath Lia, you'd have gonna do this same fucking thing? I can see in all ready. And it's not really I mean that's not like a bold take as not like. Oh, wow. I didn't see that one coming, but I can easily see see see going the same route as Gardner and being like, hey, I recognize that I'm not the fixture here that I once was but I can see what we're building. I can see what we're working towards and I want to be a part of it when we finally get there. I I absolutely love Brett Gardner as a fourth outfielder like bench type bat like I still think he is very useful in that role. Even in down season. He was still like an average issue player. And I just I think this makes all the all the sense in the world giving his on base skills. You know, his his still competent defense. The one thing that is a little disconcerting from June on last year to twenty six three hundred three sixty three. Was his slash line. So you know, I I do think I'll say this about Brett Gardner. I would not be surprised if this was his last year like this upcoming twenty nine thousand nine hundred and that has nothing to do with hubs as dumb theory about only playing for the Yankees. But I do think read Gardner skills are probably one where when the end comes. It's it's going to come and it's going to be pretty obvious. And if last season twenty teen was the beginning of that. I don't mind bringing them back for one more. But I, but I don't think Reggie order is is long for major league baseball. Well, Toronto is you know, what we just witnessed? We just witnessed J. Hey, take Brett Gardner out. Back time to the fucking tree and open up a full auto clip, Dan poor Brett Gardner's Mayes tale. I didn't realize that. Hey, yeah. That's unfortunate. I thought he was on the lower end of of thirties thought it was like thirty two thirty three. But he's thirty. Five. Yeah. I I, you know, fear the Yankees. It's a no brainer. You gotta go loyal to the team. Loyalty organization. He's you're going to you know, what his value is. Does it crou-? Yeah. Doesn't was above replacement favor Gardner too. Don't doesn't the done that all war stat. Like brent? Yeah. He was worth two. According to reference he was worth two point eight wins above replacement last year in a year where he had a six ninety OPN. So Brett Brett Gardner. There are things he does well that might not profile so he's Carlos Santana production. So he's better than a DHL field goal. All right. All right. This was our friends friend of the podcast, my personal Twitter enemy John Hayman, really struggled reporting. This news. Hey reported it as Greg Holland signing on three consecutive, text or tweets believe before he corrected himself. I'm surprised you didn't go with Ken Rosenthal signing with an adult at that point the nationals agreed to a deal with Trevor Rosenthal. It was described as to anchor their bullpen, which seems exceedingly optimistic about a guy who did not pitch at the major league level in two thousand eighteen particularly for eighteen that has had for for a World Series. Contender has had such persistent issues at the back end of their bullpen. No matter who they slide in there. What did you guys think about Trevor Rosenthal signing with the nest? I think too much emphasis was put on the importance that he's a suppose. Bring to the team and not that this is comparable. But I kinda got flashbacks to like how much time we spent on Tim, Linda signing with the Rangers. And the idea was that he was going to become their closer. So for guys like this and Rosenthal is obviously in a different class in Linda, Linda was sort of like, a, hey, you know, you're here on the name your here on the work at the trying to get back and you're going to try out this bullpen thing. Rosenthal has has had great success in the bullpen strikeout. Numbers are very good. They have been when he's been healthy impact arm. But that's something that you're gonna have to wait and see like, what's this guy? Look like right now. What's the velocity looking like that's coming coming off the tee? Jay, we're going to look two years man, two years after TJ is maybe when you start to figure out who you are because you're knocking the rust off the first year trying to feel the baseball again, there's a lot of guys. I mean, you know each pitcher and their TJ is like a snowflake. Everyone's differ. But I mean didn't the nets the nets brushback Doolittle recite Doolittle so they have done what a lot of teams would love to be able to do which is work backwards to forwards from their bullpen. So they shut it down was Sean Doolittle and they worked back from there. All right Rosenthal is going to be an impact guy force. That's where their mindset is. We've got our closer. We've got Sean Doolittle. He's going to be the stopper from there. How do we reinforce that bridge to Sean Doolittle, and you've got a guy like Trevor Rosenthal who's got closed experience. We don't know what the elbows like. But we know what he can't be like if he's right or if he's comparable. So that's what they have done is they've identified much like everybody has somebody that they feel can contribute to their club in an area of need, which is a bull pin arm. And that is going to be again. In moving forward that area is going to be the biggest area paid attention to for clubs moving forward. Just like it is at the deadline. Just like it is now what's our little update here live as things continue to roll in. The dodgers are expected to extend a qualifying offer to Yazd money Grondahl. If if you're him, do you consider taking that? I. Yeah. My doesn't I think he doesn't. I think Randolph is gonna get like three and fifteen per on the open market or something like that. From the dodgers or elsewhere. I think I think ultimately elsewhere. But I do think like, listen, okay. Taking eighteen million dollars or whatever. It would be for one year is is probably not a horrible place. But I do think given the agent curbs dot catchers, and where he positions himself on the catching desireability scale, like listen, I know we all had a really bad taste for money grand del in our mouths right now, he has Monte Grondahl is a very good catcher. He was very good last year. And unless you're going to empty your offers to acquire JTB Musso via trade, I think Randolph is the best catching option readily available. That's just just one man's opinion. But John Hayman, I'm seeing says granddaughter take it. So that actually reaffirms my opinion that he should not. One last thing on Rosenthal. His last in twenty seventeen over forty seven two-thirds innings. He posted fourteen strikeouts per nine innings and a two point one seven v. So good. If the report if the reports of his velocity from these workouts are accurate, I mean, I think this could be a great Bilo options. So, yeah, this is this is this is an absolute lightning in a bottle move here. Astros declined the option on Brian McCann. It was sixteen million dollars to this comes this apprised, either one of you. No, no, not when they went out and got Maldonado not after they had been given staff the run they'd be given him. But it can be understated is impact Alice. I'm sure you can own a guy like that you have to look beyond the baseball car the impact that he had on that group a year two years ago when they were young core. With no veteran presence. He was one of the writers, for instance, or the equation will let me just tell you about those two names that I just mentioned those those are two guys that I'm friends with in maxed ASI and Martine Maldonado. I mean, I've known Martinez. He was fucking sixteen. But both of those dudes each came up to me, and I was always I talked to them. You know, what have you learned from MAC? What's he giving you this time around and this is coming into town play those FOX nineteen times a year. So they come into town quite a few times. And each time in something new something they're excited to talk to me about that. They've picked up Brian mcken a guy that Martine Maldonado was brought in to spell next ASI Saint thing. And they're seeing this man's praise. That's important. He is and has been to that club and the progression of that pitching staff. Because if you don't help the other guys who are going to be in charge of that staff on their days, then or you helping or hurting the situation and Brian McCann in terms of faucets drains, and what type of person or player you are. He is a faucet. Continually pouring out. Support. Continually pouring out the best of himself. I have been known to be called the faucet as well. Can leaky? And this this is the end of the road for him either. He's still thirty four. I think it is damn close. It's close. But I still think that there are young teams out there that could benefit from the same thing that the answer has benefited from. Yeah. I think you'll get a one year of very low dollar medium incentive contract. Probably guaranteed for some team as their catcher. They're they're one be catcher. But I would not yet. I I mean last year was kind of ugly. But as you said, he's a faucet Dallas will start with you on this one the athletes exercise their option on the Archer Fernando Rodney. Yes. Yes. They did. And this brings me to the point that I was making about spending more money Billy bean came out and said it during the press conference in which he David forced him. Bob, millman were announced three or extensions. So that is that Rodney sign is a beacon of hope is how I look at that. This tells you that they will spend money they're going to spend they're going to give for Nando Rodney five and a quarter based on the escalators. He end his contract last year. Five point two five million dollars will go to key of three hundred twenty five career saves for Nando Rodney for the Oakland A's again, another example of a team trying to build backwards forward from their bullpen knowing full well who they've gotten Blake training and a hopefully resting Lou Trevino and is starting to on opening day. Forty two years old where it's AJ doesn't put a number baby. It's still ninety five on the radar gun when he's interested. So I I hope that you know, I hope the baseball interesting texture. Yeah. I I do what else? Do you want me to say? Because you know, he he might not be the stopper that Fernando Rodney once was, but there's been times where he's gone out there throwing that changeup dazzled some folks and just been able to hand up. All right over to the next, man. And I think that's what the Oakland A's are hoping, but from the signing from the Fernando Rodney as a human from his responsibility on the team all of that take all of that and go well and the as actually gave him a nice little slice them a decent chunk for being a forty two year old reliever. Rounding third in his career. So that means if gotta have some money to be kicking off to other folks who they feel are really important to this club in its future. So that's the silver lining. I take here. Concil relying. The listen, he's not a superstar. But I think there are very few career trajectories who have been more interesting than just as smokes the Blue Jays exercise their option. I'm leaving this for eight million dollars on smoke. This was his second consecutive season. Posting OPN above eight hundred after the entire first seven years of his career. His opium was exactly seven hundred which as all of you know, is very very bad for a first baseman. I think it was an obvious pick up for them to to pick up his option. I mean, he had twenty five homers in an eight PS last year. The question I'll ask you guys entering his age thirty two season. Like, what do you expect from Justin Smoak like is? This is this guy whose option they picked up, essentially. So that they could trade him sometime next season. Yeah. Yeah. I I would say so and he's also only two years removed from a career year. Like, there's still the still a lot of juice in that bat. So I think yeah. I if you if you start to approach the deadline, and there's a premium on I don't want to call it a power bad. But I mean, there's definitely fair to say there's some there's there's juice thirds to thirty one from the left. I believe to thirty seven from the right or might be flipped lot. But the Tako message there is he's a bat that is going to play every day righty lefty. And he gives you that switch hitting, you know, two pronged approach in the day where platoons are all the all the rage. But yeah, he's not a hallmark type player. No in it. Thirty two coming off of or a couple years removed as you said you're from a career. I think you see. Seen what you're going to get from Justin Smoak. Yeah. But at this point in time look man to forty in the big leagues with thirty five to forty that. She plays only that she plays. The the thing I'm interested to see about for Justice because you called him like an everyday player his platoon splits. Like that is true. But it's interesting if you look at the last two years civically because he was better against lefties than he was against righties twenty seventeen. And then last year he was way better against righties. His PS against lefties dropped almost three hundred points between seventeen and eighteen and I'm not sure like obviously the samples are small. But I'm curious to see what twenty nineteen brings as far as that. Because I don't know. It's it's just odd to me that he would post nine seventy PSE against lefties in one year and six seventy PS against them next year. But I think we're we're all on the same page. This was kind of a no brainer for the Blue Jays. Also, a no brainer. Again, a guy who probably didn't leave his best impression at the end of the season wise who had a great a great season over on rights at. Say he was tired. He wasn't right. He was hurt brewers exercise their option on Jeremy Jefferson. I guy it was for like fourteen cents. I believe was the option amount. Yes. So an obvious pickup there. Yeah. You guys talked about it. Like, listen that we've talked about on this podcast before there that fan grabs article that determined. He was the single most tired overworked reliever entering the postseason, and whether that's coincidental or whether it was predicting what would really happen. That's what happened. He was a disaster in the postseason after a sparkling regular season. How do you guys do Jeremy Jefferson asset moving will? Let me ask Dallas. Because I think that there is something to be said about his usage and how he was overworked. But I was looking at. I mean, he was not good in the postseason. He was not. We'll put it this way. He was not a -ffective in the postseason. So I'm looking at Jefferson velocity in the postseason. Which was still he was still throwing ninety six up there. Can you be tired overworked and ineffective, y'all? So they'll maintaining your velocity. Yes. There's a there's a word or words that you can use one word is life life on the baseball life in zone and another word would be finish. Are there finish is there finish to the pitch? So you're watching a right handed pitcher whose rose ninety six ninety seven life in zone is that that little tailing action at the very end when that ball sort of takes off looks like it actually rides up a little like it moves up that that is life in zone. Bowl is moving in the hitting zone as opposed to arriving in the hitting zone. This ball is moving through the hitting zone. It has life in the zone or the finish. This ball has finished in zone. So yeah, you start talking about down angle or you able to create angle on this pitch because ninety six and flat. That's giving the hitter the visual of the entire baseball to hit as opposed to ninety six with some downhill angle in Finnish. Now, you you. Basically, you cut that baseball in half in. You're only giving the hitter the top portion of the ball to see or to hit or to target. That's that's very tough, especially when the hitter is trying to hit that middle part. They wanted they wanna get under you they're trying to lift you right now. So you can absolutely. And it's a what we call feathery to of Bevery ninety six it straight doesn't have life. It's flat. My grandma could time up ninety six if it's coming in like that. But wouldn't doubt it ninety six with some life with some finish with? Little bit of angle on that. Good fucking. And look good look. So while you can get there. You're getting there in a different fashion kind of like tortoise in the hair both very equipped to run that race. They're going to arrive at the finish line very differently. And that's the difference between ninety six that's flat and tired as opposed to a ninety six. That's got some life downhill angle that ninety six I don't want any part of. You guys wanna have nog-? Yes. Oh, so starving. We'll focus on the positives. Jeremy Jefferson one point two nine ERA was the fourth lowest by any pitcher to throw at least seventy five innings pitched in the last thirty years. Wow. Only the only ones lower to three Eric ganja two thousand two Chris Hammond and Dallas boy two thousand eighteen lays rining. Oh. Wow. Wow. Wow. And for those of you who might have forgotten Blake trying to thousand eighteen Yara was zero point seven eight. Yeah. I got zero point seven AD only pitcher dramas in major league history to achieve thirty saves. A hundred punch outs in veal Ray. Under one playing this game for a long book. Time care abyss longtime. That's awesome. I miss a how you doing the plas. Okay. Well, let's was asked to go three bucket innings. We don't need to talk about that. I don't know. I I literally didn't see a masking. How did I we don't? We don't need to talk about. Well, it's on tape. If you wanna watch playoff game. It's it's on tape. I'm onto twenty nine year. I also watched a bunch of playoff. It's it's hot stove season. For me. I don't know what you're still dabbling twenty eighteen that's three more transactions to run through the pirates declined the option on the lesser J. Hey, John Harrison tough break for him. This to me in terms of options to to exercise or not was one of the more. Interesting decisions believe it was eleven million dollars. They declined. Does this surprise you? Where do you see Harrison fitting in on a team moving forward? I don't think it surprises me at all. Good player has not been the impact player that we had hoped that he would be after the all-star season that he had what was that three years ago? Whatever. I thought that we were looking at not mccutchen two point. Oh, but I this is a guy. This is going to be part of their core when they were winning ninety seven ninety eight games and still not one in the fucking division. I thought that that was going to be one of the guys as as as part of that group. I don't know why I'm seeing the nationals. I don't know why I'm seeing nationals as a fit. But here's they could use some help. They I mean, they they need some. So you like the nets? And again, I go back to the as here because of how the aid. Hey, he fits the Bill. He fits does. He plays. Oakland A's baseball for sure. And that's the thing is that you can move this guy around the diamond in in and he's comfortable. So the Oakland A's the employees guys like that they like guys like that. And you see him. And you see him as being a replacement for somebody like, Judd Lowry. I don't see him replacing jed Lowrie the Oakland. A's? I'm going to tell you the as bringing jed Lowrie back Jude. Larry england. No is that a is that informed opinion material right now Jaguars and be playing baseball for the Oakland. Okay. Wow. That's that's rigid. Lower is going to be playing bass. So we have a breaking news sound effect. Jay. Jesus. The first thing that I could come up with a workshop at. Step on something. But yeah, no. I just I I always been attracted to Jay. I really have. I very much. He's he's an he's an energetic player. And I feel like guys that have energy that get an opportunity you really start to get the best out of those dudes and to your point drop his career year. Amidst a year in which they're going or amidst of time in which they're going to the postseason, but they're just unable to get over that hump their unable to get. So he's he's he's a guy that can help a club. I believe I think I think that's maybe the best signed yet that we've grown as a podcast is that Dallas as admitted his physical attraction to me. I'm not I'm not uncomfortable about that. The one thing I'll say about Josh Arison his first three year in the big leagues. Six forty eight P S his last four years in the big leagues. Seven fifteen opiates that two thousand fourteen where he slashed three fifteen three forty seven four ninety sure as hell looks like an outlier because we have nearly two thousand plate appearances since. Where he has been something like a barely average ballplayer. But I do think there's there's something interesting there. I do I I like the athletics. I like those guys that can play all around the field. This one was no. This was no surprise the cubs exercise their option on Jose can Tana. My question of guys since we obviously know this was going to happen. Have we seen the best of Jose can? Yes. Yeah. Because they're I mean, look since two thousand thirteen I believe he is made everyone starts thirty starts since since two thousand thirteen. Yeah. Was a two hundred eighty guy. All right. I don't know that he physically still has that in the tank, and I don't know that the game itself is going to lend itself or Lind him the opportunity to be that sort of horse that really put him on the map, and you wonder if can tone. It is a guy who by virtue of not getting that workload doesn't become or doesn't give you those numbers at the end of the year. So if somebody who is, you know, just destined to be one hundred fifty inning guy from here on out because of the way the bullpens and stuff are going to go or you going to be getting your best can at that point. I'd I don't know. I I'm going to say. I think we've seen his best season. But I don't think that we've seen his last two hundred innings season because he hasn't been the same guy since he's been with the cubs. I mean, he hasn't even really been remotely close to the same guy that he was with the White Sox. I think we've seen his best statistical season. I don't think that we've seen his last two hundred inning season. I don't think that we've seen his last sub for ERA season. See I tell you right now jured I don't think he'll sniff another two hundred season as long as he's in the NFL. I really don't why didn't you expect him to sort of take the neck that next step when he absolutely yeah. Yes. There's will go ahead. Jay. I'll know I he's been a tremendous disappointment to be since he came like, I thought I like e was well, regarded meetings even more well regarded now, but like I thought that was a fair price to pay for a guy who to that point had. Thrown dallas's. The Dow comment four straight two hundred innings seasons with an ER a below three point five one or three point five one or lower in all four of those seasons in his two seasons with the clubs. He is he already basically four, and if you look at fielding independent pitching, which we all with he has fourth worst fielding independent pitching among NL qualified pitchers last year, Tehran Nova and Tyler Anderson with the only ones who had a higher. That's like like I thought he was the perfect number to quote unquote in like a high quality innings eater. So to speak, and he's basically been he hasn't eaten the innings like I thought you guys touched on that. And the quality of the inning city has eaten so to speak has not been at the quality that they were with the White Sox. The whole thing doesn't make sense to me. And like, listen, we can talk about we could probably do an entire podcast on the transactions that. Feo and crew have made since winning the World Series and how poor those moves have worked out. Yeah. I mean, it's it's I just don't think I I really expect it again as a pitcher identifying Altoona lineup you go to the NL. You look at that picture slide. You look at the way the game is strategize. You think about the eight whole hitter the nine hole hitter. While you don't wanna call eight hole or nine hole hitters in the big leagues outs. Or just opportunities. That's that's frankly, what they are. And that was kind of what I was looking at is. This is an area for a guy who's done a great job of navigating the AL albeit the ale central has done a great job of navigating ale lineups. I feel like he'd be able to be able to handle that throwing them a little cupcake every now and then with that starting pitcher, but just hasn't unfolded that way. Final. Oh, by the way, the single most interesting thing, I think about Jose can Tana, and why this decline has happened is the walk rate like he was advertised as kind of one of those pinpoint type guys based on the idea that you have one point nine walks per nine innings back in twenty fifteen. It was at three point five last year. So it's almost a real five. Yeah. And he and he's not gaining strikeouts. At a rate that would make that walking crease. Okay. Some very interested to see. How is next season? Plays out the final transaction. It will touch on. Obviously there will be these sorts of things all across the off season the Iraqis declined the option on Geraldo par-, they now only have fourteen below average corner outfielders slash first baseman to choose from. What where do we see par as a as an asset on a team like just a four thousand or now is that all of this? Yeah. I think that's pretty clear out. Builder lefty platoon guy. I mean, Jay you made one hundred he made a hundred and forty two appearances last year ninety seven of those were starts only ninety seven of those games were starting. So I mean slash two eighty four three forty two three seventy two as a lefty platoon guy. But that is exactly what he is right now for the color of Iraqis, you know, they've got Blackman locked up. They've got David doll there. They've got a future in their outfield that just doesn't have Garard apart of Harare power fitting in. That's that's just the bottom line. It's all that. Anytime I see an Opie in the seven hundreds in Colorado Rockies in the same sentence immediately. Like. Yeah. I'm I'm probably good. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, I still they can help a team. But yeah. In terms of the one hundred forty two games. That's you look at that. And think what like north of six hundred balances four and forty three. So we'll see what happens. But I don't think that this by any means hurts the Rockies chances of getting not just back to where they weren't twenty eighteen. But but past that they had they had to part down a little bit. Oh, thank you. Gotta get one punny dad joking per podcast. That's how we do Twitter questions. Let's do some Twitter questions. Weel's cranky and Paul Goldschmidt be on the Zona Diamondbacks. Opening day roster or will they be on different teams via trade hashtag grounds crew. Wow. I think Grank he stays put. I think that there is a chance that Goldschmidt has moved. I do think so. I didn't they say immediately right off the bat. Everyone is available. Basically, I was there one day that they withheld didn't they say everyone except for somebody. But as Goldie is Goldie, one of those is Goldie one of those names that you feel like we didn't did we had to mention Paul Goldschmidt. We'd be we had to tell you that he wasn't available. I I don't know. I mean 'cause he's a free agent after this upcoming season. This year. And do you think that little dry spill might have raised some eyebrows? Or put him on the radar in a sense that he might not have been put on radar before which struggling with the fastball at a certain point time. Remember because we are the podcast that was essentially telling Paul Goldschmidt that he was done playing baseball because everybody throws hard. Now. He can't hit guys thrower. I think I think the spin on that is that we were the podcast identified Paul's problem for him and helped him get back to where he needed to be. That's true. I like that is true. That is actually how it happened because he did get back. Also, we can sort of reverse a little bit. If you're debunks fan. Aren't you kinda like what the fuck they were knocking on the door of the postseason? And obviously, the they sputtered in the last three or four weeks there, but think they were in a playoff spot for a lot of twenty eighteen and then to just turn around be like, we gotta blow it. Up. Yeah. Would you rather? Would you rather blow it up if you're a d backs fan? Or would you rather try to plug some holes and maybe making a dish into to get this team over the hump? I think you I think you could probably plug some holes. I mean, look the pitching staff is what was doing them the favors early on. And was probably they're unduly down the stretch. Jay, would you agree or no, I would agree. So I think they've got an opportunity to put some I mean, do Jake lamb, you know, like a healthy Sousa junior. I knew I firing me right now, I got AJ Asia Pollock like these guys that all the free agent. That's the thing. Like, I to me like the I think Jared hit it on the head like the the gap the gap of time between the Diamondbacks essentially saying we're coming. We're coming. We're comment and the time. Okay. It's over. It's over was like the overlap was like a monk like there was this was supposed to be the year that the Diamondbacks kind of like Chris ended into the contender that they viewed themselves as and the reality is is that they weren't as good as they thought they were for whatever reason that might be. And now they're the point where AJ Pollock's walking and given the Diamondbacks noted financial situation there almost certainly not going to be the team to pay him the most they have enormous percentage of their payroll dedicated that Grank he who is still outstanding. But they clearly need other pieces and Paul Goldschmidt. Literally in the final year. They they have to make a decision. Are we going to trade this guy? Or are we going to ride out one more year? And I think the D-Backs it's not ugly yet. But I think the develops aren't very tricky spot here because they're clearly not the best team in the division. Hey, they're clearly not the up and coming team in the division b and c they don't have the financial might that. At least two and possibly three other teams in the division do and they're six and a half games out at the break. Do they move Goldschmidt at the beginning of July. If they haven't done so now, yes, they would have to there would be a disservice. Not to. I feel like if you're if you look at it like that and think if we're not in contention or if we're not even close at that point in time in the season. Then maybe it is time the thing about looking Paul Goldschmidt like a golden goose. How many how many in sputter bring us? Here's the deal not every rebuild or not every retool actually results in in the desired outcome or actually result in the division title or the trip to the NFC s or whatever the Diamondbacks retooled it and really rebuild. They retooled and twenty eight teen was in many ways, the peak of what that rebuild was supposed to be. And it just wasn't enough in a division where they're competing with a team that has the financial might of the dodgers and twenty nineteen could be the year that we see that noted Padres farm system with all of their supposed excellent young players guided by the the steady veteran. Hand of Eric hosmer that could be year that they take that next step. And I just think the Diamondbacks aren't a really rough spot and like for the teams that miss out on Bryce Harper or Manny Machado, or who don't want to pay the financial freight that comes with those guys maybe the prospect package for one year, Paul Goldschmidt, actually is more appealing for those teams. Which team could show I'm sorry, which team could or should follow the Marlins strategy, quote unquote in as much as it's a strategy and undergo a complete team gutting this offseason. The first team that came to mind was the pirates, but they don't really have much to gut. Would you go Cincinnati Reds in that would be depressing given this they were already supposed to have gut it? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I got an answer. Let me see what you guys think about this one. Even though I don't think it's actually gonna happen. Okay. The Seattle Mariners. Oh, I mean, like, what do they have to really? I mean, Nelson Cruz a free agent. Correct. So Nelson Cruz, you got the Albatros kidding. I'm not saying you're going to get a lot for the players that are already there. But like, it seems pretty clear to me that the Mariners have to be really good is basically over. And like you James Paxton to me is the guy who could return real things. Woodbridge there in hold on. I just I'm curious is it the idea because is no sin crews that big of an impact where the Mariners are potential playoff team with a Nelson Cruz. But now Nelson Cruz is gone, and it's rebuild. Well, like, I think to some extent we were all sort of like Mitch hander cheats grew. Dee Gordon Robinson canot like the Meigs Anina. We like. Like, I don't know the one team that I think makes the most sense sort of. Feel like it might be the Toronto Blue Jays. Like, that's what I was gonna say. Yeah. If there's a deem that isn't close to contending, but has guys that can net some pretty big halls. Like, Stroman Sanchez Sanchez, those guys can get you something perhaps. That's the team that that. I mean, you obviously there's guys that are off the list. But in terms of guys that are on your major league Ross to right now like Palomar like I mean, I feel like even he could get you something. Maybe it's the Toronto Blue Jays. 'cause everybody else. It's like if you were dog shitting twenty eighteen it was almost by design. There are a lot of teams that are sort of in rebuilding. Chicago White Sox. Kansas City Royals. Don't really have a whole lot to they could give up right now. But in terms of teams that weren't anywhere in the conversation for the postseason that still have talented players on their roster that aren't making a shit tone. Of money because that's a huge factor here too. When you're gutting team when you're trying to do full rebuild, and you're trying to get a return to give up some names you want. The what teams need costs controlled players costs control players in the the Blue Jays have them might they consider doing something. That's what unites might you know, what you're not getting with Aaron Sanchez. Blister free fingers. Yeah. I was gonna go with the five finger discount. Yeah. Thank you. All right. So we sort of touched on this earlier, but we're gonna put our we're gonna put our our stakes in the ground. This free agency has some big names who do you think we'll get the largest total contract be the longest contract and see the highest average per year. This could all be the same player, but what what are our official predictions as it relates to that. I I do think that it's Harper across the board. I think it's Harper across the board for a v for length dollar put a dollar amount to tell me a year and a dollar how much do what is contract. Man. Pull out when we released the podcast on what people think is contract will be based on our responses from me, let me break I'm gonna say here. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say like five I'm gonna say five to fifty maybe five. To seventy five somewhere around there. Jared eight to eighty eight thirty five. I'm gonna go with nine years and three hundred thirty million dollars. Three thirty and I do, and I agree across the board that I think harbor is going to to set the bar. This is not a question. All right, folks. You heard it here we have our predictions. So it was five and two seventy five eight and two eighty and nine and three thirty is that right? I love it. Those are those are some predictions different predictions. Somebody's gonna be right to people are gonna be wrong. This is just blowing us really since becoming an adult and grinding three jobs to buy a house and working on starting a family national baseball is taking a back seat, especially with the lack luster coverage from other networks starting nine brought me back into baseball and a big way outside of my New England bubble thanks for a great year and keep up the good work looking forward to this upcoming offseason. And staying tuned in grounds crew from the beginning. Go sox. Two. By the way. Credit to me, we're like two hours into this podcast. And I haven't even talked about the Red Sox winning the World Series. Yes. So go ahead. This is your platform. We've been waiting until the end we've been tabling it and tabling it Jared when all so good fun guys by Dallas, take it easy. I do want to say thank you to the grounds crew though. Because there were a lot of people that sent tweets that were not Red Sox fans there were like, yeah. I mean, like, we're we're happy for you. There was a rooting interest. Like my team was out of it. And my rooting interest became the Red Sox because the starting nine I really do appreciate that. It was a hell of a year. It was a great team. Maybe the best in Red Sox history hundred eight wins eleven three in the postseason. The you have the Astros looking at themselves in the mirror. You got the Yankees Hal Steinbrenner just had a quote today. He's pissed off about the first round exit. The dodgers have to have a long look in the mirror back to back National League titles with with nothing to show for it in the World Series. So yeah, it was it was a memorable year for me personally. Because of of what we're doing here at starting nine section ten the blog the videos, Dallas j it's been it's been quite the year. But to cap it off of the World Series title has made it that much more special for me, obviously was on the duck boat. A worry was on the duck boat. I saw that pictures. Yeah. That was something that awesome. I can't quite put into words. What that experience was like because I mean, it's one thing to be like, oh like I'm the equipment manager. So I get a spot on the duck boat, and you're just like along for the ride to be in a World Series parade and look out and see people like screaming when they see you. I do not have an athletic bone in my body. I don't deserve to be on a World Series, duck boat one. I also do not deserve the love and admiration from the city of Boston while being on a duck boat. I do not deserve those things. But to live out a childhood fantasy of being on there with with your favorite fucking team. It wasn't like. Oh, yeah. Like my dad. My dad is like a ticket salesman for the Celtics. So we got we got a spot. It's like, no we. You were on the boat. We're with JD Martinez who became a friend this year after I hound him on Instagram last off season to be like, hey, hey, JD. You only have one offer hand signed the fucking contract. And let's go win a World Series. And then he responded to it on Instagram, and that's kind of how he became friends. And then he did sign the contract, and then we did win a World Series and that was on the fucking duck boat with them. So I couldn't have scripted a better year than then for that to be the icing on the cake. So shout out to the grounds crew for all the love. I do appreciate it. And I would say let's do it again next year. But we'll see we'll see what happens. It was it was good to watch the run. It was good to watch the run. But I want to inform you of something. But. Spoken old news bell. It's an all news twenty Allender calendar is turned to rob us, and it is no longer October. It turns after the end of this podcast. This was the put a bow on twenty eighteen. Let's start talking hot stove. Let's start talking twenty nineteen. Let's start talking free agents. Let's start talking trades. But yeah, the twin razors what you know, what separates starting nine from the rest of those clown containers out there who what is it? Our guy can ride a boat and weakened kinda marinate and all of our twenty eighteen success. We can read tweets about how we've been fired lives and change lives and all of that. But you know, what? We'll right back on the grind, no time. There's no time to marinate that no podcast season. In my opinion. We do our best work in our Aussies podcast. Yup. I think we I think we suck in dominated. And we are. This is just the beginning. Just the beginning of hunch. Fire hot stove now. Just the tip just the tip. And again, folks, remember grounds crew, we are putting forth. Our best effort to bring you not just major league baseball anymore. All right. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Hopefully, we're again, we're looking to bring you. But tension Fawley action winter meeting stuff stuff from the Caribbean series. There's a lot of meat on this baseball bone. And we know that y'all are hungry. So let's eat together. Saugus. American little league baseball Saugus American Legion baseball. We we got it. All we got you covered for the rest of the year for the rest of time. That is the starting nine promise. So to you the grounds crew, we appreciate everyone for listening throughout the entire year. It has been a pleasure to talk baseball with all of you. It's been a pl-. Measure going to the ballpark across America and meeting you guys I want to do more of that. I want to do more of that. I'd like to do when we do we've been talking about doing like a ballpark tour and like video component to that. I also want to do like a live podcast how we were doing at section ten for the plastic. Let's fuck and do those in different ballparks across the country. We'll see idea journeys. I think next year will will be able to do is pinpoint kind of throwing a dart at the schedule and say we'd like to go here. Do a live show here live podcast here taking the ball game and make it a whole deal. So the idea machine is up and cranking sherice, so great work. Jay, great work, Dallas. We're onto the off season. And that I don't know. It's it's a bittersweet feeling for me. Because obviously, it's I don't wanna say goodbye twenty eighteen it was a phenomenal year. But there's a lot to break down this off season. Lot of names going to be on the move a lot of teams that were not in the playoff picture. And twenty eighteen they might have a little bit of hope as we approached the off season and will be there to break. It all down for you. Thank you the grounds crew for listening. We'll see a next week with an interview my idol, my childhood idol Cal Ripken juniors on the next podcast will smell you later.