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The Musical: A Retrospective
"I'm max baril and this is classic. Movie musts or every week. We breakdown a classic movie dance. There's just too much dance for movement not to be at the crux of what's going on. Movement in film is created by three key. Things physical movement so gene kelly dancing the camera movement also the editing process creates a sense of movement stanley donen and gene kelly or the first or the capture the sense of movement in dance in the film making process itself. You're like me. Can you love watching hollywood dance sequences u._2. Than bio means stopped doing the dishes minimize your excel worksheet or pull the car over to the side of the road pull up byu tube and pull up some of these dance sequences and see what i'm talking about whether in macomb the make him laugh number moses supposes you were meant for me you good morning or the title number itself. Sanley dawn in gene kelly are the first to mirror the sense of dynamism in the dance in their filmmaking. Eh in make them laugh. We see the production design or the set in this case cannot contain donald o'connor's energetic dancing. He literally breaks through through the set at the end a little bit of foreshadowing of how we are going to how the filmmakers are breaking apart what filmmaking had been up until that point the most suppose number. The camera is so tight on donald o'connor and gene kelly weather dancing that it's really their momentum that pushes the camera to keep up with them and at times it can't even keep up with them and that makes it even more exciting. The camera work in you were meant for me. It's graceful gene kelly and debbie reynolds movements it cranes and loops above them as they glide around the empty stage floor. Then of course there's the singing in the rain number the camera so closely mirrors kelly's choreography it must have taken as much work to choreograph are you graph as the dance itself pushes into catch every smile it moves tightly but when he's tapping it bounces up and down when he skips between the street and the curb and then it loops playfully as he starts spinning in the street. The scene is as powerful moment of joy and happiness as it is because because the joy is infused as much into the film making tools as it is the singing and the densely lastly. I do wanna wanna touch on the broadway melody number at the end. That's that fifteen twenty minutes sequence where gene kelly dances in an entirely highly different world and we call these gene kelly ballet dream sequences and all of his movies have them and it primarily comes down to one some beautiful for artistry but gene kelly to show off and this was his opportunity to showcase his ballet dancing unquestionably. Probably the scene is beautiful. Colors costuming set design and of course the dancing itself are visually stunning to behold but perhaps the most divisive thing. I'll say during this episode is while the sequence is great on its own to me it breaks up the pacing of a wonderfully paced movie kelly loved to show off in his ballet sequences but because of that they tend to drag on for a while not to say aren't gorgeous but at the same time they are disconnected from the plot in a way that to me is a little jarring in this case. It's a little too disconnected from the plot. I think in in some of his earlier movies like the pirate or an american in paris you see these ballet sequences connected more meaningfully to the plot itself elf. This is a little bit of a stretch. I think stanley dawn and might have agreed because the first thing that said after the sequence is the studio boss saying he doesn't quite quite get it after gene. Kelly's character is done describing it. I'd love to hear what you think but i think it feels out of place and out of pace with the rest of the movie certainly beautiful though despite being the classic it is singing in the rain was only nominated for two academy awards best score and best supporting actress for jean hagen. They lost in both categories too bad but don't let that tell you that this movie isn't an all time classic back the way it plays with audience expectations the way it pokes fun at the musical hollywood's past but at the same time pushing it forward and then taking the musical genre to new emotional highs with its filmmaking processes. This movie is a wonderful balance that reinforces movie magic while at the same time bringing the audience in on the joke now. Let's move on to some buzz from the back lot. This is our trivia segment are fun. Facts segment are impress. Your date segment are annoy your friends because they think you're a know it all segment singing in the rain certainly doesn't lack for interesting and intriguing buzz first off since it ties in so directly with the plot as we know don in lena pretend to like not each other to promote their films but in actuality don dislikes lena greatly and lena gives as good as she gets despite wanting to marry done well. This is mirrored in real life a bit too closely. Despite their great chemistry debbie reynolds and gene kelly really didn't get along well during the filming of singing in the rain primarily came down to gene kelly being quite the dancing taskmaster pushing debbie reynolds to the point of tears in rehearsals sad i know then there's the real hypocrisy behind singing in the reign as much as it makes fun of sinking and the deceptions hollywood is capable of debbie reynolds singing was actually dubbed for a few of the songs in the film by an actress named betty noise even more ironically debbie reynolds was dubbed for the songs where she's dubbing lina lamont the would you number and as if that weren't enough there's a moment on screen where den when debbie reynolds character is dubbing for lina lamont but in reality they got jean hagen who played lead them to dub debbie reynolds so that's right. There's a moment when jean hagen is dubbing. Debbie reynolds who within the story is dubbing her see if you can spot it next x time you watch so for all of singing in the rain ability to poke fun at the hypocrisy of hollywood. The film is just as guilty as its subject speaking of light deceptions nations. The macomb laugh number classic on its own is actually a rewrite of the song be a clown from a different gene kelly movie. The pirate in nineteen forty eight feel free to look up via clown from the pirate on youtube and watch gene kelly and judy garland seeing the exact same tune but with different modified lyrics. That's the beauty of the hollywood studio radio system. Everything can get reused in fact most of the songs and singing in the rain. Were not written for the movie itself arthur freed the producer of singing in the rain nine had written most of the lyrics for these songs for various other projects earlier in his career singing in the rain and you were meant for me. Were written in nineteen twenty nine. Good morning was written in nineteen thirty nine for a different musical babes in arms in fact moses supposes was one of the only original songs written for singing in the rain for the macomb laugh number gene kelly asked donald o'connor to revive trick he had done as a young dancer which was running up the wall and doing a flip. The number was so physically taxing that o'connor smoked four packs of cigarettes a day at the time ended up in the hospital and even worse there was an accident that ruined all of the initial footage so after a brief rest o'connor ever the professional agreed to do the difficult number number all over again a few buzzword the notes on the singing in the rain sequence itself gene kelly was terribly sick when filming the scene apparently apparently had a fever of over one hundred and three degrees not that you'd ever know what a pro also in the world of hollywood magic they mixed milk with the water they a pumped in for the rain so that it would show up better on film so whether you're watching singing in the rain with your significant other your friends just your dog. Hopefully you have a fun fact that you can share now just like i mentioned in our retrospective on the western genre no in-depth look into a film agenda is complete without a prime example of the modernist phase. He's of that john laura for the musical. We see the modernist phase. Come into existence with bob fosse's cabaret from nineteen seventy two as the musical genre had largely died off by the end of the nineteen sixties. Thanks to bigger and bigger budgets with less and less innovation. Bob fossey reinvented the musical genre into a metaphorically afforest experience that spoke too much deeper and more meaningful issues with out losing the creative spark that makes musicals so infectious so now how to close out art musical retrospective and our summer retrospective series from episode thirty five classic movie musts. We have cabaret. Thank you for joining me this week. As we discuss bob fossey's musical cabaret in this episode we'll see how bob fosse created the first modernist film musical in our feature presentation will. Oh here which unexpected movie cabaret shared a set with in our buzz from the back lot segment but first. Let's get into this. Week's opening credits our film. This week is cabaret which was directed by bob fosse fossey and was released in one thousand nine hundred seventy two cabaret stars liza minelli michael york and joel grey for your streaming ease cabaret is available for streaming rental antle on amazon and youtube in one thousand nine thirty one naive englishman brian roberts played by michael york arrives in berlin where he hopes to support himself by giving english lessons brian rents a room at a shabby boarding house and is greeted by sally bowles pay by liza minnelli and exuberant different american singer sally of szeswith becoming a movie star is oblivious to the economic and political turmoil in berlin especially between between the nazis and the communists and instead revels in the decadent atmosphere of alcohol sex and excess because brian's room is too who small to accommodate pupils sally offers him the use of her larger room and liking the young introverted man immediately persuades him to move in the kit kat club where sally works is presided over by the android janice leering m._c. played by joel grey who exhorts the audience to forget their troubles levels while in the club where everything is beautiful one day while discussing brian's work in his room sally attempts to seduce brian who rejects rejects her seduction sally caustically muses that perhaps he does not sleep with girls but when bryant does not reply. She promises that she would never pursue him. If he prefers male companionship although brian is reluctant to discuss the subject he reveals that he's three previous attempts to have sex with women were disastrous chris and that currently he has no sex life one evening brian find sally sitting in the dark depressed because her father has stood her up sally sobs that while her father tries to love her he simply does not care and thinks she is nothing as brian comforts her the couple winds up kissing and falls into bed their passion for each other grows with sally hoping that this time she has found the right man soon after sally meets maximilian von hyun and a suave aristocrat whose wealth and good looks dazzle. Her brian is jealous of sally's new mirer. Although max attempts to include brian in their adventures declaring that it is his duty to corrupt them maximum suggests spending the weekend at his country state and there bryan and sally are awed by their surroundings max reveals to brian that he is married although he and his wife lead separate lives then persuades brian to accept various expensive offensive gifts and invites bryant and sally on an adventure to africa back in berlin a distressed max drops brian off at the boardinghouse where sally is is packing for their trip to africa sally who does not know that max's married babbel's about a possible proposal from max to which brian replies that herself solutions are absurd as their argument escalates brian and sally both confessed to sleeping with max realizing that they had betrayed each other sally storms out while brian wanders the streets in a fury and provokes a fistfight with to nazis after receiving a fierce beating brian wakes up to discover for sally tending to him she then reveals that max has departed the country and left them three hundred marks deprecating their abilities as gold diggers sally sally apologizes to brian who shares her remorse and the couple reconciles. When sally returns late one night brian realizes that she's had an abortion bryant asks her why and increasingly angry denigrating her dreams of stardom and castigating her for sleeping with anyone who can further her career not protesting testing sally asked to be left alone. Brian sadly concludes that although sally did want the baby and does love him she did what was right for both of them with their romance extinguished and political violence at a boiling point brian decides to leave berlin sally accompanies brian to the train station as he prepares to return to england and and they beat each other a strange farewell with sally struggling not to cry and bryant smiling fondly as she walks away sally then goes to the kit kat club where she thrills the audience with a rendition of the song cabaret which encourages them to live life to the fullest regardless of the consequences cabaret they had a budget of six million dollars and a box office hall of nearly forty three million adjusted for inflation. That's a budget of over thirty six million and a box office tally of just over two hundred and sixty million dollars now. They'll come in bienvenue. Welcome because it's time for our feature presentation addition in the late nineteen sixties came the american eric cultural revolution rising public protests against the war in vietnam the march on washington the counterculture sexual liberation and drug drug experimentation the assassination of robert kennedy and martin luther king junior year linden johnson's abdication sit ins at berkeley and columbia lumbia the grant park riots during the nineteen sixty eight democratic convention the stonewall riots in new york and a trip to the moon the bards of popular culture <music> saying this revolution be at the stones the doors bob dylan and this cultural shift was felt in movies like the graduate easy rider and bonnie and clyde the american musical a more conservative and retrospective cultural medium than rock music or cult movies was also on the move away from stories and toward self consciousness away from variance within a stable form and toward an exploration of its forms and it's passed the concept musical replaced the realist musical on both stage and screen although the concept musical has become an accepted accepted term it assumes an opposite the realist musical or the story musical as if that opposite were not itself a concept this the older concept which can be traced from opera to oscar hammerstein reconciled irreconcilable internal psychology and singing this is older musical had carnival barkers sifting through their hopes and the king of siam mulling over his puzzlement s- by singing them allowed only the the vitality of musicals built on this concept hid its paradox over three decades that a realistic musical is an oxymoron to sing thoughts and feelings is necessarily too stylized them with this steady contraction of new shows within the old concept. The few writers tres producers and directors who stuck with the musical turned to explore the very paradoxes and contradictions in this old concept. How how can the style ization of musicals represent life at all how song be a projection of internal psychology like the modernist move towards self consciousness in every twentieth century art. The concept musical explored itself. It's forms its traditions its variants it's conventions of credibility and style songs became less psychological expressions of specific characters then metaphor it comments on personal beliefs social customs or musical traditions modernist musical or the musical metaphor describes the new concept better than just concept musical michael which simply changed concepts to fit the new cultural times the differences between harold prince's nineteen sixty six stage production of john candor and fred ed's cabaret and bob fosse's nineteen seventy two film illustrate the movement from narrative musical to musical metaphor prince's cabaret cabaret straddled the gap between old new like so many backstage musicals cabaret divides its musical slots between stage numbers and story numbers. Here's the stage numbers create the atmosphere of the kit kat club a berlin cabaret in the period just before hitler's nineteen thirty three triumph the the kit kat club is a pleasure palace of absolute amusement where all forms of central experience are not only tolerated but celebrated to enter the kit cat club was to take refuge from the gathering political storm just outside its doors but in nineteen thirty-one berlin there was no real refuge huge from that storm to believe in escape was the evasion that guaranteed hitler's triumph like germany as a whole where an entire populous later claimed ignorance of the nazi death camps the kit kat club is an enclosed world where people mind their own business live their own lives and take their own pleasures if the kit kat club is laudable for promoting the opposite social values of someone like hitler it is reprehensible for diverting attention in from political responsibility sally bowles the free spirit of christopher isherwood berlin stories on which cabaret is based embodies ladies this conflict between political blindness and social freedom every cabaret number for sally and the crew at the club refers metaphorically to the political climate outside the club vilkamo in the opening number for the master of ceremonies welcomes the theater audience to the movie and the international for national audience to the kit kat club. It's three languages imply that the spirit of the club transcends political and linguistic boundaries catering hiring to an international set of nonconformists unified by their common amusement tastes less than a decade later the speakers of those same three <music> languages would be at war the n._c. Sings three other specialty numbers that comment on the weimar's social and sexual politics two ladies is a musical maggio twat. A parody of alternative sexual tastes if you could see her is a romantic duet for man and guerrilla an allusion to the nazi view of jews as subhuman and the money song is a pattering him to the power of capital roll. Everyone can be bought while sally's don't tell mama rejects the traditional parental precepts for every alternative moral code her the ironic title song calls life itself a cabaret maintaining her political blindness to the very end the film has made it very clear that life in nineteen thirty-one weimar germany is not a cabaret at all the stage play ads plot songs to these metaphors numbers songs of realistic character interaction for the usual two lines of action. Although the plot songs are pleasant enough they were only written because nineteen sixty six broadway shows those were expected to have those kind of songs but one thousand nine hundred ninety two films did not have those same expectations and bob fosse them all several can be heard as background music on sally's gramophone sly reminders of an archaic musical structure that the film had abandoned every number in the film but one is a social political or sexual metaphor sung onstage by performers. The film is both more realistic stick only performers perform and more metaphor ick. Every number is a social or psychological comment. Even the new song kendra neb wrote wrote for liza minnelli. Maybe this time is pure metaphor her hope for permanent romantic attachment by cutting between minnelli's performance of the song in the club and sally's love scene with brian fosse simultaneously mirrors her personal feelings and maintains his metaphor distance she she does not sing within a love scene but performs in some other literal space and time that has been yoked by editing the familiar means of cinematic metaphor four to this place in time a musical projection of human thought the film also restores suggestions of isherwood stories that scared broadway producers producers namely that brian's homosexuality is an important part of the berlin experience. Sally is his first and probably last heterosexual gross sexual affair. Though she represents a broadening of brian's emotional perspective she also obscures his moral and political vision like the kit kit cat club itself brian's sexual education is spiritually revealing and politically blinding the film replaces the show's cuddly cuddly old folk characters schneider schultz with a more disturbing cross section of german society a social climbing opportunist in the jewish arres and elegantly bisexual count confident that his elite class can control hitler as easily as he can balance his own sexual sexual appetites. His smug blindness is revealed in the film's. Only number not sung in the kit kat club. Tomorrow belongs to me what begins as a serene german folk song chanted by cherubic youth evolves into a ferocious nazi anthem by an arian hitler youth sung outdoors by a cross section of ordinary german citizens during the day rather than indoors at night but professional entertainers building confidence intensity line-by-line correspond chorus cut by cut like the nazi movement itself tomorrow belongs to me is the metaphor ick opposite of sally's songs it reveals the german social reality in response to the kit kat escape germany's actual tomorrow as opposed the kit kat clubs here and now tonight. It's solitary juxtaposition to the club. Songs makes it all the more disturbing and powerful for all its condemnation of sally's political irresponsibility. The film admires her spontaneity openness oddness her single-minded sensuality -ality her cockeyed optimism converting issue woods english sally into liza. Minnelli's american makes her a nineteen seventy-two nellie forbush the energy of her nightclub numbers conveys her buoyant spirit as clearly as nellie washing that man right out of her hair fossey translates her american performance spirit into exuberant dance dazzling light brilliant color and dynamic editing like every successful modernist musical will onstage or onscreen the film cabaret must have it both ways preserving the fun of musical performance while commenting on a disturbing curbing social phenomenon much more clearly than the broadway show fosse's film blames history for the nazi holocaust not sally or the nightclub nightclub and certainly not the singing the dancing although there was a socially productive place for nellie forbush in south pacific of nineteen forty-three there was no such is place for her in berlin of nineteen thirty. One history wasn't ready for her or her club. Minelli sally bowles is already counterculture. The film cabaret is not merely a musical about berlin life in the nineteen thirties. It is a film musical about being a film musical about that life in reworking the shows we've of onstage employee numbers as purely metaphorical performances outside the plot that comment on it fosse's fosse's cabaret was the first modernist film musical cabaret earned a total of eight academy awards. Bob fosse won for best director. You're liza. Minelli won for best actress joel grey for best supporting actor. The film won for best cinematography best editing best original song score or adaptation reputation score best art direction and best sound it was also nominated for the academy award for best picture and the academy award for best adapted screenplay play losing both to the godfather cabaret holds the record for most academy awards won by a film which did not win the academy award for best picture. Now it's time for our buzz from the backlots segment and this week. We've got a series of differences between the film and its various sources. The original broadway production of cabaret opened at the broadhurst theatre on november november second nineteen sixty six it ran for one thousand one hundred and sixty five performances and won the nineteen sixty seven tony award for best musical joel joel grey recreates his role in the movie for which he won the nineteen sixty seven tony award for best featured actor in a musical he later won the academy award for best supporting actor for this film making him one of a handful of actors to have won both a tony and an oscar for the same role billy wilder and gene kelly turn down the offer to direct the project before he was accepted by bob fosse. What an interesting alternative that would have been british author christopher isherwood who created the character of sally bowles in his short story goodbye to berlin enjoyed the attention the movie brought to his career but felt liza minnelli was too talented for the role according to him sally an amateur talent who lived under the delusion she had star quality was the antithesis of judy garland's daughter the character sally bowles was based on jean ross and aspiring actress singer and writer who lived a colorful life she was reportedly deadly unhappy with issue woods portrayal of her as apolitical and even slightly antisemitic in fact she was a member of the communist party. She was also married need for a time to claude cock burn the father of journalists alexander cockburn who described her as a gentle cultivated very beautiful woman not a bit like the vulgar vamp displayed by liza minnelli instead of writing a new ballot for the film john candor and fred ebb were persuaded by liza minnelli and later bob fosse to use a song from their trunk. Maybe this time attune. Liza had recorded for her very first album. Fosse wasn't initially a fan of the song but changed his mind after deciding on how to stage it manelli has said that fred ebb jokingly blamed her for the loss of an extra oscar nomination in the best original song category gory for her desire to sing previously written title liza minelli designed all her own hair and makeup with the help of her father famed musical director vincent minnelli also the strange woman appearing in the beginning of the movie sitting in the back of the kit kat club holding a cigarette is based on the painting portrait of a journalist sylvia von harden by german expressionist painter auto dick's and finally many of the interiors of the film or done on on sound stages in munich recently vacated by the cast and crew of willie wonka and the chocolate factory which was released in one thousand nine hundred seventy one that concludes our musical retrospective. 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The Asphalt Jungle (1950)
"I'm Max Baril, and this is classic movie musts where every week we breakdown a classic movie while looking to provide artistic insight and historical context at the very least we'll talk about what makes these movies classics Classic Movie. Must. release. His every Friday ready to complement your weekend movie viewing plans. In this week's episode, we are discussing the asphalt jungle. This episode is sponsored by best ever Halloween, but I'll tell you a little bit more about that. Later in this episode in our feature presentation, we are going to discuss John Huston's Many strengths and particular limitation, and in our buzz from the backlot segment, we've got some tales of blacklisting mud first. Let's get into this week's opening credits. Are Film. This week is the asphalt jungle which was directed by John Huston and was released in one thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, the asphalt Jungle Stars Sterling Hayden Louis Cal hearn Jean Hagen James Whitmore Sam Jaffe and John mcintire when criminal mastermind Irwin. Doc Right in Schneider is released from prison. After seven years he goes to see a bookie named cobby in unnamed. Midwest River City who arranges a meeting with Alonzo? Emmerich a lawyer Emmerick listens to DOC's plan to still jewelry worth half a million dollars or more doc needs fifty thousand dollars to hire three men a box man or safecracker a driver and hooligan to help him pull off the CAPER Emmerick to provide the money and assume the responsibility for disposing of the lute. DOC hires a professional safecracker Louis only trusts gus a hunchbacked diner owner as the getaway driver and the final member of the gang is Dick's Hanley a friend of Gus. Dick's explains his goal to Doll Kana. Then who is in love with him, his dream is to buy back the horse farm that his family lost. During the crime, the criminals carry out their work Louis, Hammer through a brick wall to get to the jewelry store deactivates door l'armee to let in doc and Dix and opens the safe using home brewed nitroglycerine. Things begin to go drastically wrong. However, the concussion of the explosion disrupts the power grid causing all the alarms in the area to sound on their way out Dix slugs and arriving security guard who drops his revolver, which discharges and wounds. Louis, in the belly, the men get away unseen but a police manhunt begins Louis. Insists on being taken home by Gus. Dixon. Doc Take the loot to Emmerick who's broke he had sent A. Private detective named Bob Brandon to collect sums owed to him. But Brandon returned with excuses and wreck then plots to double cross the others with Brandon's help emmerick suggest to dock that he leave the jewelry with him. But DOC and Dix becomes suspicious brandon then pulls out his gun. Dick's kills Brenham but is wounded himself. DOC tells Emmerick to contact the insurance companies and offer to return the valuables for twenty five percent of their value. EMMERICH disposes of Brown's body in the river, but the police find the corpse. When they questioned Emmerick, he lies about his whereabouts and calls his mistress. Angela to set up an alibi under pressure from police commissioner hardy a police lieutenant named Dietrich beats the bookie into confessing everything in a vain attempt to save himself. He is later arrested for corruption with the confession, Hardy Arrests Emmerick persuading Angela to. Tell. The truth Emmerick is permitted to leave the room for a minute to phone his wife and commits suicide gus is picked up then attacks copy at jail. When the police breakdown Louise Door they find they have interrupted his funeral that leaves doc and Dix who separate doc asks for a taxi driver to drive him to Cleveland they stop at a roadside diner doc nearly gets away but is distracted. By a pretty young woman because of the delay doc is recognized by two policemen and he is arrested doll gets dix car and then insists on going along when he passes out from loss of blood doll takes him to a doctor who phones the police to report the gunshot wound Dix regained consciousness during an IV infusion and escapes before they arrive with doll, he makes it to his Kentucky. Horse. Farm across the Ohio River from Cincinnati he stumbles into the pasture collapses and dies the asphalt jungle had a budget of one point two, three, million dollars an adjusted for inflation. That's a budget of just over thirteen million. The asphalt jungle was nominated for four Academy Awards. It was nominated for best black and white cinematography best adapted screenplay best supporting actor for Sam Jaffe, and best director for John Houston. Now. You be the box man. I'll be the hooligan because it's time for our feature presentation. This week's episode is sponsored by best ever Halloween. You've heard me talk about them for the last couple weeks, and if you are getting into the Halloween spirit than best ever Halloween has exactly the home decorations you need. They've got premium indoor and outdoor decorations. I've picked up some full-size skeletons and some flying ghosts. So needless to say, I am ready to get into the spooky spirit you can head over to best ever halloween dot com check out their custom inventory of Halloween deal. And get your home looking spooky again, that's best between DOT COM. Those of you who subscribe to the show on Patriots Fan and listened to our monthly show Max's movie must, which is our top five movie list show no that one of my favorite directors in fact, one of my top five favourite directors of all time is in fact John Houston and as much as I love John. HOUSTON. There are limitations that you discuss in relation to the man. But at the same time, you might say it's all the flip side of the same coin and what could be viewed as a limitation could equally be viewed as a strength. In fact, I would say what some point to as limitation might be his noblest strength as a filmmaker. In all of John Houston's feature films, he has been an adapter of someone else's work. Yet, while he has a genius for truly and faithfully rendering the literary originals in motion picture form at the same time, his own personality has so pervaded illuminated the material that the designation of a film by John Houston is fully and completely validated. This does not come about because the director has imposed his own style upon the original like perhaps John Ford or Howard Hawks or Josef von Sternberg or any other tour at the level of. absoluteness. We do encounter a cohesive worldview not only thematically but also stylistically, there is a John Huston look. But it is also true that Houston is at some pains not only to ensure that his films don't manifest the same overriding style, but also to find the particular style or look best suited to render a script into a persuasive and distinctive cinematic reality. In the asphalt jungle corrupt lawyer Alonzo Emmerich here's his wife confess her fears. She says when I think about those awful people you come in contact with down right criminals I get scared. Oh, there's nothing. So different about them he suavely replies after all crime is only a left handed form of human endeavor. Dissolve superimposes his face over that of Dick's Hanley a downright criminal who with emmerick backing has helped to pull off jewelry store burglary. The. Wealthy lawyer and the hood to kind except that Dick's is more honorable. If emmerick words strike us as a week excuse for his involvement, they nevertheless explain the nineteen fifties heist films concentration on seemingly normal decent men who turned to crime as an alternate commercial enterprise released in the wake of the initial hugh AC hearings. Houston's film also dissect the ethics of secrecy and provides a template for the caper films that followed. Like most notable heist gangs doc right in Schneider's crew exemplifies the traits of a secret society. Such groups create a second world alongside the manifest world a city under the city as the film has it yet a secret inevitably contains a tension that is dissolved in the moment of its revelation. The phenomenon created to prevent portrayal also produces its likelihood. The Secret Society ermerges everywhere as the counterpart of police restriction. Thus as Crackdown on Hollywood and the red scare swept through America subversive groups and un-american ideas were pushed underground heist pictures emerged as a vehicle to dramatize alternative collective action and to question the status quo at a moment when direct challenges to capitalism and law and order had become taboo. Unfortunately secret societies usually end up imitating the structures values of the society they aim to repudiate. And so these gangs or the flaws of the legitimate work world as they fall apart, their solidarity is supplanted by greed loyalty betrayal and teamwork by retribution. The world of the asphalt jungle is one of perpetual knocked turn sustained by the roofless exclusion of the sun. The I is almost never permitted to discover a window when the ear seeks one out, it is to pick up a siren heading for some unspecified bad scene. It's cry like a soul in Hell. There is some sky in the first couple of shots full of false dawn only slightly lighter grey then the slant of asphalt and slag toward which the camera. Pans. Then, we are born relentlessly into the claustrophobic confines of an unnamed Midwest, City, a paradigm for war neorealist, allegorical purposes of every city in the modern world. To walk through its light is to soil you're close to breathe is to risk pneumonia to make money. There is to be guilty to need money. There is just as guilty. The meson onset of the asphalt jungle is at once slippery and rigidly compartmentalized a cab draws on a dark street and we watched through the rectangle of the driver's window as a hand pays through the other. The cab pulls out of the shot and we get to see the fair but only his back sheathed in a long black overcoat and topped by a Hamburg. This figure walks away from the curb toward a barely discernible doorway, the camera pressing close behind as if sucked along in its wake a rap on the door and spill of light as a shadow figure lifts a shade briefly. The door opens the hulk guarding the way steps aside to admit the newcomer and us the door closes behind the camera. Now, the Hulk reenters the frame to pass the little man and penetrate deeper into the building. The camera chastened sits tight. The little man walks deliberately, but without apprehension down the dark hall reaches, its limit turns and then starts back our way. When he nears the camera, he steps under alight that with only black close to fall on was not conspicuous before. But now gives us his features alert eloquent with patients curiosity stoicism a light at the far end of the corridor opens and are rat like guys by jitters towards US coming to share the harsh headlight while the bouncer looms in the pin number. There's an abrupt barrow good for three inches of tilt and the immediate restoration advantage and equilibrium. This has been a lovely shot a shot, not a series of shots. Houston wants us to know this terrain. He wants us to know Camden West and he wants us to know copies place. He wants us to know the door, the entrance hall, the angle you turn to find yourself in copies office in the treasure of the Sierra Andrei, took us to the drifters Mexico, and now he wants us to see the asphalt jungle and for us to know that it is not a collection of disconnected spaces concocted and later dismantled by MGM but as an environment that makes its own special grumbly. It's an environment where q stony in life goes on where crime is seen to be after all only a left handed form of human endeavor. The fluidity is important and the compartmentalization is also important. The Maltese Falcon was a fluid film, but it's slipperiness while partly an index of the undependable human allegiance pointedly complimented the mobile intelligence of Sam Spade, in the asphalt jungle, no single character dominates the narrative of a group of strangers come together to pull a fabulous caper mobility proceeds from action and milieu. The camera is hooked like a mailbag by both the police prowl car that surges over the streetcar. Tracks at films beginning and the low gliding pickup cars that take on Dick's and DOC respectively on their way to the job, there is no difference between the ways cop cars in criminal cars participate in the visual. Environment. Alonzo. Emmerich after talking about prison girls and Mexico, with DOC Rydin Schneider describes a similarly in portentous trajectory down the hall of his Riverside House and into a hitherto unseen sitting room where a nubile mistress played by Marilyn. Monroe, stretches awake under his fiercely composed gays and calls him uncle long. Such compositional movements, such linking glimpses of different faces of Man's comportment vulnerability and needs are crucial in describing a world where bookies call for twenty three hundred dollars evokes evidence of Sullen community long before the prospect of a million dollar jewelry heist becomes a general reality. The back room bookie joint, a lunchroom promising, American food cooking meals for stray cats and a gun drop for the neighborhood who again a tenement bedroom containing mother and sickly child. These are co equal determine. A listing were linked parts of this spectrum of life. The asphalt jungle is a study in despair and a form of despair defined in the particular look of the film. The movie offers a virtual glossary of estrangement. The conference among DOC Emmerick and cobby over financing the job features several variations on the theme of being. Together. The criminal mastermind on point ready to meet inspection while the high society money man sits back in a cozy chair appraising enjoying his power and also the ozone snap of excitement at being part of the underworld scene. Meanwhile cobby the real bankroller has to stand back in the shadows trying to look at ease leaning against a mantelpiece. He is visually dwarfed by the seated Emmerick in the foreground and he's wishing that he could get in on all this classy man of the world talk. Dot Com event likewise once into the intimate life of Dick's Hanley but Houston dramatically separates them during her arrival and departure from dixies apartment. By means of a stairway, the stairways not stressed as visual form German expressionistic style. Rather it is simply a fact of the landscape, the completely plausible reason of the conspicuous space between the characters. Even, when they get together on the same floor level Hayden's height in Hagen's slight stoop conspire to reinforce the failed meeting. True minds. Houston also restricts them from meeting. Each Other's is within a single frame Dixon's mesmerized monologue become soliloquy about hickory wood farm in the black. Colt is carried on entirely in close up. Houston cuts to dull trying to draw links between their actual and spiritual biographies, but not only do the characters remain in separate frames and not only Dick's take notice of dolls interpolations. His close ups are larger more intense than hers. One of the bleakest shots of the film occurs when life. is in Lonzo Emmerick. He has been sitting on a couch with Angela looking at travel folders Cuba with tourist photos on screen we hear the ringing of the doorbell and immediately after the patient pounding of the police fists cut back to Angela and Emmerick seen from a slightly low angle Angeles sits up and leans forward a bit. As she asks again and again what is it uncle lawn she masks him from view. After a moment she adjusts her position and we can see him once more. There are two bodies almost appear to have grown into one yet their heads face in opposite ways and their respective apprehensions, the scene, the moment, and its meaning our world apart. The expression on Louis face is hurtful to see a life that has verged on collapse. So frequently that it's prolongation seemed masochistic -ly assured is now absolutely incontrovertibly about to be destroyed and it seems terribly wrong and utterly expected at the same time. After a pause, he detaches himself from Angela and quietly leaves the couch, the frame Cuba and whatever last past for hope. Now. It's time for our buzz from the back lot segment and both director John Huston and star Sterling Hayden. We're members of the Committee for the First Amendment which against the blacklisting of alleged communists working in the film industry during the Red Scare. Houston had never been communist although Hayden had been at one point John Houston I met Sterling, Hayden Washington DC during a protest against the House UNAMERICAN activities committee investigation of. In the film industry when the pair met to discuss the project Houston said to Hayden. I've admired you for a long time stirling. They don't know what to make of a guy like you in this business Houston was honest with Hayden. For the Lead Role Hayden recounts in his autobiography of Houston's pitch said now quote now, sterling I want you to do this part. The studio does not they want a top name star they say, you mean nothing when it comes to box office draw I told them there aren't five names in this town that mean a damn thing at the box office. Fortunately, they're not making this picture i. Am now let me tell you about Dix Handley, dixies, you and me every other man who can't fit into the groove unquote. Rumored to be fighting severe alcohol and Psychiatric Problems Hayden landed the role of Hanley. His first major starring role over the objection of MGM. Chief Dory. Sherry Hayden's gritty performance proved many Hollywood naysayers flat wrong. For Instance Hayden. Himself was nervous about the climactic scene in the picture when Dick's breaks down in tears in front of Jean Hagen according to the director though Hayden did not have anything to worry about after the actor delivered the same beautifully Houston took Hayden aside and said quote the next time somebody says you can't act tell them to call Houston this film features the debut of actor strother Martin he's Uncreditworthy an MVP police lineup. This film also features Sam Jaffe Only Oscar nominated performance. This is the first feature film role for Brad Dexter in which he was actually credited as Brad Dexter in his previous credited roles. He was credited as Berry, Mitchell but for this film director John Huston convinced him to change his professional name to Brad Dexter. Dexter decided to keep the name from that point forward. All of the dialogue spoken by Alberton Warren. At, D'Amato was dubbed in by another actor. Probably because more and who was born in Puerto Rico had a pronounced Puerto Rican accent and Eddie D'Amato was supposed to be Italian. Louis. B. Mayer is quoted as saying about the film quote that asphalt pavement thing is full of nasty. Nasty things I wouldn't walk across the room to see a thing like that. Marilyn Monroe regarded this as one of her best performances particularly her final scene with Louis Cal hearn. And finally the poster showing. Marilyn. Monroe in a purple dress was created much later after she became a household name Monroe was basically unknown when the film was made in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty and has fairly small role. She certainly wouldn't have been given top billing at the time in fact, she wasn't named on the original posters at all. That concludes our episode on the Asphalt Jungle I would love to hear what you think of this classic movie must feel free to Tweet at movie must pod or email classic movie Musset gmail.com thank you to our patriotic producers. Eleanor be maximum. Re Pedro Are Ryan de Jonathan Bernie Stephen. Scofield that he so much for your generous patronage and thank you to. All of our Patriots supporters, of course, you can support the show at Patriotair Dot com slash classic movie must and you also get access to our weekly podcast. Classic Movie Must Double Feature as well as our monthly show maximum musts as well as the ability to vote in all of our monthly movie pulse. 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Singin' in the Rain
"The odd fifty percent of it. Give it as far back as i can remember. I always wanted to be gangster more again. Hey everybody welcome to another episode of cineplex. I am ethan covered. And i am clear kurdish. Welcome back this episode fifty one. This is my birthday episode. Your birthday episode lou. This is coming out on the twenty seven twenty second night. My birthday is the twenty fifth by birthday week episode. Our guest today is paid. She's here for the intro. Just here here and in the same room as news creates crazy. Are you go because crazy so crazy. How are you. I'm good good mood. Yes the movie puts you to doesn't it does it. does it always does always does Before we get into the movie fully Let's just say thank you to our patrons stephen griffin sydney jaden zac and isaac of you want to become a part of our patriae on And have some fun chats with us on our every. Other week club Go to pedram dot com slash sin. 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I kept going back to you is and i talked about this on the climax episode like i have certain movies that i watch where i'm like. Oh god like. I'm glad i don't do dance anymore. And this this movie is like the anti thesis of that is gene. Kelly tap dance. And i was just like god damn. I wish i was still doing that. Like i love doing tap and it was so fun on. I want to do that. And i know i can't do that anymore. So that made me a little sad. But kelly is just amazing of there. Also yeah you just. It's effortless every time. So good. Every time i finished this movie. I'm i literally tried to tap dancer by house that i can't literally every without fail every time if it is soft chewing all around you know it's not it's not where it's really not working But hard i'm not sure all those hand movements are gonna come out as i'm doing the whole night through i'm here for it. Yeah no it does it makes you wanna dance. It really makes ads. And he does a great job at lake during this very complex movements in making it a effortless Absolutely there's a great like fluidity to it all which like obviously comes from being very talented dancer like that. I would argue. That's not something like and you can really just like pick up. And i think that was the other thing that made me like weirdly nostalgic for like two things that i don't like older movies musicals. Which are both things that i don't usually enjoy zoya. I'm you because you did it a little bit just a little bit of. I knew you were take great pleasure in hearing that so i wanted to get it out of the way early on Crushed my dreams. Yeah But i just i don't know like obviously we get musical's now like i mean we've talked about a lot on the podcast of like is lowland of musical or not blah blah but like the most modern comparison. I can really think of where you're getting. The dance. And the singing combined insert elements and like i really just. I mean we're getting in the heights this year but that's not as common of like a film type anymore but like it watching. This made me wish there was more of that. Because i think it's like a really unique skill set that we don't see all the time any more of like these actors who are like good acting in that like you are engaged in their character and then all of a sudden they're singing and they're great singing and then on top of all that they're doing dance moves like everyone can do. So you're like oh shit like this is where triple threat really comes from like though it's like we had the fred astaire gene kelly shirley temples all of those meanwhile now we just don't see that combo anymore will and that's what gonna fill my cats like you really get the singing and dancing and just every day. Yeah other know. I think. I think the storm like encaptures peak just escapist cinema. It's just Us now it's a fantasy. It's really fun definitely and i think i think you see that especially in that really long number they do near the end were gene. Kelly is kinda like singing and like you're seeing him like what he's imagining for the movie roundly so like we texted about like the movie within a movie and like i think that's like the perfect example of like them kind of showing like look how indepth into a movie you can become like you're in a move another movie now and like it still has the charm in that light energy to it so that like even though i did say like why is this so long. I still was like really interested in what was happening in. Like i was having a great time. 'cause like the costumes and the set design and like the dancing the singing. It all comes together in this like amazing moment and you're like so good it is but i mean i think you're getting a good point like low key. If if there was like one thing i could change about the movie. It would be just cutting that number even at the end because it's good i mean it is good. It's just like the context of it within the plot is like. Hey with this work in the movie. Here's a twelve minute number. And then he's like maybe that wouldn't work in a movie off to think about resume you and it's like well like it's a cool number but like they could have just put it as like a real in front of it would have made just as much sad side. Seen is film a lot like long lot like like. I've seen a lot with ethan. I've seen a lot with my dad. I've seen it at stanford theater and it's just I've seen a lot but but every time that scene comes on a roll my eyes and i sit back like think of something else because it just. I love the whole movie. It's just that one scene. I just wanna get out like i. I don't know it's just year has nothing to do with the rest of what was going on. And and i feel it's it's so i mean all of it is staged but it so staining that i just i don have diverged into it. I mean to be fair like they got dancers name. The centuries citizenry great dancer though now he was so good. Yeah she's like if he gets Just like keep her onscreen as long as he can't mazing. So this i understand. Nab like the same time nothing to do with going on so this asymmetry Big break debbie reynolds was like honestly worker asks off to like dance in this movie because she had did no dance training and she slacken slaves it. Yeah apparently just like work. Long hours was quick. She said the two most painful experiences in their life or giving birth in active in the rain. So she she like she gave it her all but the they decided for that dance number specifically a cast someone else because they buy like we'll just cast a professional dancer. This'll go smoother anyways but this movie may both of their careers where like so Started the next year in the movie. Like really kind of propelled earned defame the bandwagon opposite fred astaire. So she got to act opposite gene. Kelly and fred astaire back to back years and then and then. Debbie reynolds obviously became a household name after this. Well yeah but I i mean gene kelly. This is really kind of peaked gene. Kelly he was not. I think i think i think those are the two kinda careers at launch in. Obviously reading. marina really got our moment eight years later in west side story. Which you know. I mean it's it's it's fun to see your popup. Apparently she had like a real number. That got cut which you can sort of picture here but because it sort of seems like she's a more important character than the time that she's given onscreen. It's cool you get taibbi. Reynolds century set such like a kind of crucial moment in their careers. Because they're both frigging awesome. Yeah i have a crush on debbie reynolds. Now a she was so cool and it was fun seeing her like so young because like all. I knew her from really before. This was the halloween town movies. So yes she's nineteen here. that's so young. Yeah that's crazy. How what did i as nineteen thought that dates me. Yeah my president. I'm just kind of stirring it so the context for the listener. Glamorous set me a president and their works for target. I was like oh. It's a target box. Is it from clara claritin. Please don't associated with the french and then you just did it again. Did it in front of her hundreds of dollars. I'm opening the box. Suspension exciting page knows what it is so exciting. Why is it is saturday night. What's why from new york. The saturday light of the game. Okay yes. I am excited over here. The cy i think so what happens. Is you draw card. And like you get one of their like really popular skits and then one of the people who do the card has to like doesn't know what the skit is so like. You're all acting out the scam long. This is like what i do anyway. This such All e so fun again. Yes oh my gosh. This is so awesome. I'm so excited for this john awesome. I'm so happy at work out. Well they episode episode. We're also so our drink. This week is Slayer above which is really fun because okay my thinking with this. This is this is kind of like a. It's kind of like a one connection but okay so no. It's a drink invented by Lynette moreira where she. She did this like she. did this. Masterclass where she liked tisches venture drinks than she named the strength. The declarable but Also ensures the name with us that's lovely and and but the connection. Which is what i was thinking because i had i made this degree. Selena liked it and clara bow was one of the first talkie stars in the movies. All about the transition from silence on the sound so clara was her first. Big movie was a movie called it. Where end so. And so that's why she was then her ever is the it girl and so to this day like she's the person that coined the term it girl because she was in and then and then after that ever was looking for the next it girl. I love that so much. So we're drinking drinks called clara bow's which are tasty very tasty. It's like l. elder flower. I made grenadine with pomegranate syrup which with pomegranate juice and cooked over asto which was lovely fancy. Travel it kinda like when you sit on it. You taste all the flavors Individually which is really nice. But then if you if you think about it it kind of tastes like peach funny no like just a combination Tastes like Like a high chew peach like peach flavored high too. Yeah i don't know what it is that makes it tastes like that but lighter and then you got the sweetness in this sort of sort of depth of the the death of bourbon briefly. Tell my story to make about me again. Yes because my birthday your birthday episode. Though i worked at the stanford theatre talked about this where i worked at this movie that played classic movies and like my first. My first day. That i was working there. I i started there during the day that we're playing singing in the rain and like at one point they were like. Hey you can go. In and monitor the movie which auditor the movie and the like. Yeah just make sure like people aren't like throwing popcorn was like okay. I remember specifically like hanging out sort of especially just in the middle of that movie and seeing the singing in the rain number with like five hundred people in the theater and you just sort of like this is so this is so cool at work here and i get paid the lake. Watch singing in the rain with a bunch of other people and dislike. Yana it really a really adds a lot to the experiences. An audience member to like see while those films with my dad or with you like we had a lot of dates there but And it really does. Change the experience in a big way totally. You're kind of. I don't know it's something like you're transported maybe back into the time Into a place where it was meant to be seen like people weren't really meant to see vs on their laptops. Yeah just being a big crowd of people like a grand cinema with like a with velvet seats in the whole like shebang. Just really love that. It's so fun you'll have to come check out the stanford theatre sometime. No i really want to say this is a funny Who think so back in the day when we were going to go to prom i was so like i i made sole thing whereas like oh like ethan last all ascii thin like aw And so i. I actually emailed the stanford feeder before he worked there or anything and i was like hey could like commute with something on the marquee that says like legal problem with me and then walk up to it and whatnot. But they're like no thing. i own deliver. Try did try david. It's a darn cute. Darn cute idea would have been so cool really one day. I'll s get a propaganda propaganda from there will be no. But i thought you're gonna tell the story of a first date did not know. Yeah did you know that. Her first date was at the stanford theater. I think you mentioned it right when you start talking about it here. But it was a brief. I haven't heard this story. Tell me the story. We're still not talking about the movies. I'm sorry it's fine but so we went to go see hitchcock movie from the thirties. Pub lady vanishes and Were sitting. I found a spot. Top row like very very talk rugs. Research like routine ages will cool in the back and so and so page nine As friends and then all of a sudden she puts her head on my shoulder. I'm sort of like either. She likes me. Or i'm like super super super friend zone. It's like feels comfortable putting your head on my shoulder and being lay fine is like i was like wait over thinking like oh man what is mean and everything a long story short. I figured it out. In the. I asked her out and after i asked her at finally was like omega. And then but now i have the ticket stub From will i kept Which page yes do i kept. I kept my ticket stub and i. I didn't realize until like a couple of months later. He put it in the back of my phone case and saw at it. And then we We ended up having it framed a while ago because just hanging onto it for so long. The my phone case. We're like we have to mijas the states so cute. I'm i'm here for this wholesome content. This is so good but this takes me back to singing in the rain which is about Sort of escapism And sort of getting away from your your reality for awhile attica make fun of all the would you call it busby berkeley with year yet. Yes so presley. Berkeley was the guy that aid. These sort of numbers that like camera goes between a bunch of women's legs and wing. Everyone's throwing the legs up in the air. Beautiful girls people like in a circle around another person in the center in a bag. Long shots exactly. That's unlike must be berkeley numbers. But they kind of the costumes. In general are awesome. Yeah in dislike all this stuff. They're showing in the cost of the ads. I realized how much blake fashion now like women's fashion now mimicking You know all of the outfits that she kelly was wearing no liver. Lanes nyc said the like off white coat. He was wearing like if so cool. Can i have gene kelly's outfits truly claire So i don't watch auto older movies. So i don't have as much of like the actual twenties as context but the movie that i thought about while washing this and i didn't really like that movie was the artist and i was curious if you do that. And what you think of that movie. I haven't seen the artists in but it's a thing blake silent film transition to sound I don't know. I didn't. I think my my artists. I really like the way they incorporate. Sound into that. How like they save it but the thing that kept me from it a bit was. I didn't love that. It was in black and white which is interesting because like there are certain films that i really like him black and white and i get why it's in black and white because it's from the twenty s and whatnot but what i like about singing in the rain is i. It's like it has such a vibrancy to it that you're just not getting in the artists and i think that's what i find more appealing about like a depiction of the twenty s from the fifties than in the two thousand. Ten's is seeing. The rain makes that time period. Feel a lot more accessible in away and like more relatable in that like even though it's like showing something that's like literally one hundred years from that lake from where we're at right now like it feels more like something that like you can relate to away or like. Oh yeah like. It's a little bit different. But these are the people that like. I can see myself like incorporating into my life and blah blah blah. But like i just have a hard time doing more black and white films and so i really like what singing. The rain is doing in that regard. I don't know if made any sense now. I lately It reminds me of I forget his name the director who did the the newest great gatsby baz luhrmann has a lot of really upbeat renditions along. So make they're like. It's very vibrant. Unlike the greg his version of great gatsby a super vibrant and exciting and colorful and light. You definitely in being influenced by these kinds of these kinds of gm musicals ryan words like the complete opposite of i haven't seen the artists but But it depicts like the twenties very exciting. Yeah get me like. I think i think this movie. This movie sort serves as a standing on a lot of if i lists on a lot of like best movies of all time lists for the kind of link vibrant mgm musicals of the fifties like there were one of these and some of them words. I mean there's some like there's a lot of other gene. Kelly ones that really work and some of them you watch now in. You're kind of like well. That was a lot. And i didn't really get so i but i feel like this movie. Like i mean is sleep I think might be the most complete lake lake end ended. I mean i was watching this. I was like i was surprised. How fast sorrento i went. I was like we are like. I thought that was forty. Five minutes an hour forty. I think represents the this thing that was sort of an era of escapist musicals against but absolutely do you want to might be with the movie honestly clear. I l l a v threatened. You hope you liked this movie now. Mine if you don't like this movie it's okay. Men no no i i will definitely be giving this a five out of five on. Let's just murder please. Murder me listen got you. I waited until we got really into. How much of. This is great. So that i could. We have a lot of question. Okay so now he okay mcglasson wine maybe just chug out really quick. So i'm gonna like reference of video side saw. I saw on youtube recently. Because it's what like really got me thinking about this. But it's by in called shan spear on youtube and video called how hollywood demonize his ultra femininity. And i think this is actually a really good example of that end. I kind of like alluded. I mean what got me thinking about it is. There's a where like the villain of louis story. Lena is in office. Threatening to see you. See so funny. Uh-huh she starting to sue. If kathy gets like her shining moment and she's dressed in like head to toe pink and she looks very like beautiful but like also very feminine Feminine in that way. And i texted you like asher mancini's sharpei evans from high school with those awesome. No like honestly and so in. That is a character that the video. I talked about references in that. Like we see this woman who does have talent get kind of like turned into like in almost like joke of a villain in a way. Where like you kind of like our laughing at lena throughout this entire movie because of her voice which is like something arguably she can't like totally change 'em like she is like she does a lot of actions that are obviously not good and like she lashes out in ways. That are like a big bummer. But i do see part of it being because like she is not given a chance really at all in that makes me sad and she arguably is unless like really high pressure environment. Where like. Everything's changing around her and she's definitely getting left behind and like this is all she's known. And then there's all this weird outside pressure of like you're supposed to be with this man that you're in the movies with all the time like icy during much like her reality is just getting warped all the time like outside forces so i love lena take and it makes me sad that the victory of film in a little bit of a way is the fact that like her career ends which is like no though i agree with you yes so so. It's your birthday to. I agree with you a little bit here. I think. I think that this movies like really. Yeah honestly i mean like yeah it does it does sort of you know pending old stereotype of there's only one female star of the movie and everything you need to make room for tabby reynolds. So i mean. I think the actress does a great job at being served like a cartoonish evil person like the s jaba Anything she was only acting nomination at the oscars for us which is But yeah i mean you're kind of like okay like restoring weena lamont's career because her voice sucks piece were destroyed. She also like tried to ruin debbie reynolds character. Yeah careers multiple times. Like oh i got her fired and k given she did throw cake in her face and like she didn't recipient why but at the same time like tried to destroy career. Several times over are limited weakness gain that she went through pretty much. Which you know very still happens does this is true. Yes she yeah. She has her flaws first or not. I think i think where you're going with us. She has something where she liked. She should be a star she's got. She's got clear appeal in like jean. Hagen sleighs i am. I i wanna i wanna briefly. Bring up to win. Jean hagen is talking like that's that's her fake. Lina lamont voice. But then when debbie reynolds is dubbing over lena lawn speaking parts. That's actually lena that that's actually jean. Hagen speaking is then. He's speaking elegantly pretending to be debbie reynolds pretending to be heard. God does both parts that which is crazy to me because she has this like nice. Deep voice leads. I should yes. Oh jeez pretending to be debbie reynolds. Pretend pretend to be some dubbing herself over but essentially just doing our own talking in that. Isn't that awesome. That's crazy a c. I knew i was rooting for for the right person. I details you'd. Let's add the square. It kind of adds onto this. This is my other beef and this is complicated. Because i love kathy. And i love debbie reynolds as an actress and i love the character as a whole but kathy definitely embodies like really early version of the like trope of. I'm not like other girls. It comes in like the way she dresses and in the way she acts around don at first like despite the fact like they do on levin. You are so happy they fall in love. It's beautiful romance like. In the beginning. She like he jumps into her car. She's immediately off put by the tries to get him arrested and then as she does end up driving him. She acts like she doesn't know who he is like. She kinda like down like what he's doing a little bit like ego. Check sam in this way. That is setting her apart so distinctly from all the other women around him because we see again and again his fans literally tear his clothes off of him basically and we see lena like constantly like hanging on him and like searching him out and when he walks into a party every woman turns russia's over to say hi to him in like kathy doesn't do those things and so like i love the fact that like she so fun in like she's very talented in like we get to see a victory in her but then at the same time it does feel like a lot of her character is built around her like relationship with don in not like. We're not getting a ton of insight into how she is beyond the fact that like she loves dawn essentially. Yeah i mean. I'm really know. We don't even really know her goals besides wanting to be an actress. Yeah like yeah. We we don't i don't know we just don't really know where she even wanted to necessarily go with her acting career in just gets confusing when she's like towards the end. You saw some like gene. Kelly and general This is your first time seeing him. Like a star and he he did. He has a lot of stuff. Reads like the star of the certain wall at you. I made you upset at the beginning. I texted you. And i said i really hope he fails like i don't like this character as the love of. But you're us. When i was so excited as like oh i hope everything goes so wrong for him. I hope lena's thrives I was rooting for her from the beginning But gene kelly as like a performer. In this i think is really really captivating in a way that like truthfully for me personally like i jones. This is going to sound like very like Misogynist of me but like i don't care about male characters a lot of the time like i'm just kinda like you're here. You're moving the story along. But where are the women that just kind of just my constant thought. So i i do feel that a little bit in this where i'm dislike when it's just him on screen like he's doing great but i'm like where's where is kathy and lena where are they. I want them back. And i'm just. I'm like really excited for them to come back on screen but i feel it less than i normally would because i. I don't know the right way to describe it like gene. Kelly is just like so like hypnotized this the way he's performing and like doing all these different like dance moves and singing and acting like it comes together into a really really well rounded performance. That like i don't think many especially Male actors can do and so like that was like really really exciting to see. 'cause like i you get it a little bit in The young girls of rochefort but like not not as much for sure because like he's not the leading star in that obviously in so i. I did like seeing more of him here. Yeah i with the young girls. I feel like kind of like the opposite experience. You had with this movement. Like when i when he is on screen. Unlike i'll bring him back. You do get like a little bit of a and then you see him interacting with Delfi or whatever her name was we launch sloss lorsch lonard. Yeah bring it back wonderful together but yet gene gene. Kelly is like absolutely captivating. It's all brings us back to the singing in the rain number. Which is the one raise on his own. Your first impressions of that number. Because that's that's that's the that's the fucking number fucking number. I i liked it i. It's one of those things where it's like. I'm more than familiar with the song. And so it's interesting seeing it like in its original context finally after like pop culture references after pop culture references after reference again and again and again like i feel like just about any relevant sitcom or tv show tries to some kind of spin on it in some way so so it was really interesting in person. He's so much fun in it. And like i love like the rain they have. It's not just like drizzle it's like dumping dumping dumping dumping in a way that like arguably no one would be outside if it was raining like that like you would stay indoors especially in. La like you doesn't rain water. Also when he filmed that scene he had a fever of one hundred wide. Yeah matt crazy you think you can have a cocktail clara trite rain number. Oh my god. I'm such a wimp. The true it's hit a fever hundred five And he still managed to dance because he's just he's just a frigging professional. I mean he he manages to just you know. I mean like you said make everything look effortless because he's rehearsed it to a t. Where a smile on his face in magalogue ladies just tossing out bytedance number. When he's been working on it for like six months ye-ye-yeah he's absolutely incredible in this and the other thing i know about this. That scene is that they ended up. Having to put milk in the water to make it. You could see the water a little more because you see the splashing a little more Something that was more opaque in the water. Oh my god. I'm calling the glee song were they. They crossed umbrella by riana. Paul tro that was. That was such a good rendition. Asha mashup via slough. Have you seen that. Where i proudly have not seen like a single episode of glee. I i almost watched glee. This is such a random anecdote. I almost watch glee and it was back when like netflix streaming like online wasn't quite thing yet like you could like of them. Yeah and so. It was right after i moved up here to washington and we lived in falls city. Which is this really really small town and it was out like it was like twenty minutes from where i went to high school until like we lived like literally on like the farm that my mom grew up on and they're small town but they had a librarian so like just walk to the library all the time in like rent movies like a ton of movies and just sit in this little farmhouse in the middle of nowhere and watch movies all day And sometimes they had tv shows and so. I rented the first season of glee. But i i rented the first season of god. I don't remember something. Oh no idea pushing daisies which is a great show things about that actually lasted like a caesar to it. Didn't last long but it was so fucking good highly recommend pushing daisies Senator than they were both do. And i couldn't renew glee because someone else was trying to get it so i take it back and it turned out when i checked it out. It was missing all the disks like someone had stolen the disks. And i just didn't check and so when i returned it they said i stole the disks and dominique really mad and then the so. I never watched the show because that situation. Because i i am a communist. I would never steal from the library and so it's a really upset about this accusation and i took it out on glee because i couldn't be mad at the library and so i don't watch glee funny that you strike me despite eating musicals you do. Strike me as someone who would have watched in high which is odd. I resent that to the millionth degree. That how dare you. I watched american horror story in high school. Thank you very much. Brian murphy production. Oh shit okay. That doesn't help my cause at all. All the other thing that ryan murphy did shiva. That's so embarrassing. So okay. So the other male star of this Because we talk about the net enough clara the other mail services. Donald o'connor would you think of witty think of the The make laugh number. Because that's just. I mean that's that's his big big moment. Yeah i really liked it. I was texting. Because is driving me insane. I seen before. Not it's popular. You've probably seen it somewhere. I know that's what's bothering me. A perfect impression of me thank you. It's good. I sound just like michelle gone dri and runs every impression i've done ever. My greatest personality trait is that. I can't do impressions so i just do the same boy. Yeah so that distract me. A little bit turned out thinking of family guy. Which i don't like that i'm thinking of family guy but will move past that to say that i love that number and like donald o'connor is like in a good majority of this film like he's always kind of on screen but i wish we honestly got more of him like doing like. He's there so much support. That like i feel like we're not getting a ton of room to see him like really standout performer and like he can perform. 'cause we see it in his number like he's insane and is doing flips and shit like that was crazy and just like don't really get much like we get him but like not quite as much outside of that. Be on like comedic. Relief like randomly scattered in total right. Yeah yeah i agree with you The i wish we got more of his of his character development he he. He smoked four packs a day and so like literally like in In the hospital for a week after he shot that that number because like like everything that it took him to like. Keep falling on the floor. Apparently they were playing shooting in a day and then the camera lens all fogged up so they had to shoot it the next day. Wow wordy all bruised up because he kept falling on concrete floor. I mean there's some carpeting this a single carpet over concrete but if you've ever like felt carpet on concrete it doesn't You're not god. So so yes so so he was all bruised up in like dying. But i mean honestly worth it. I mean look liquid liquid. I mean i'm speaking for him but it like that's that's like the peak of his career probably is like crazy crazy number that he doesn't this sleighs it. I mean i don he so good so okay so is singing in the rain. Like your favorite song in the whole movie then because it is like the song or do you like another musical number but more question In terms of song. I definitely the best song i have to think of like the best number in the movie I still honestly. I still think like the scene where he's singing in. The rain brings me the most joy seen in the moon. Like i think just saying unlike a motor cod of like colon capital d. Yeah like very big smile. I was literally beaming watching that shit. I don brings me so much joy honestly. it's a it's just a happy. It's it's a happy happy time you know What was what was both of your favorite numbers in this. I think honestly. I don't know if it's technically counts. But i just i really really like the little like song and dance that's happening when Kathy comes out of the cake at the party. Like right after she don met and she like up. I love it. It just feels like so like old school. Hollywood in like the way they like did a real close up over face when she comes out near like. Oh my god. It's her and like the new. Like see her. Like going from like scolding gene kelly to like dancing and like kind of like passing stuff out in like doing her job like the cohesion between the two is so interesting and so like i don't know why because like that's arguably like probably the most forgettable moment like song in the movie just because they're all so good but like i really liked that one. It was so fun. Yeah good one. No i mean like i think ten minutes alternate between like is this a little too mean in like this is really cute. I mean honestly. I feel like i feel like the progression of their relationship is awesome. The way like a star. Then it's like well you do have to lead the way. The movie sort of acknowledged he cannot have to like. Take whatever you can get in get the chance to be a star in like the same thing as acknowledged in like don lockwood lake scene. Where he's like dignity always dignity like he was looks like eventually the way the movie sort of acknowledges like you just have to make it in any way. That that that you can is especially embodied Yeah was your favorite favorite scene your favorite musical number I think it also say seeing the rain. It's just iconic in the dances just super cute and sometimes when it's raining i think of that off number and i'm always like kind of makes rainy days little happier. I really liked that number. I love so much. I was walking around in the rain today. They put it on. My my airpods and i was just like i just wanted to lake. Walk up to everyone. I pass by like shake their hand. Hoping it's such a great day rally using. Yeah yeah yeah. It's it's a it's kinda just is a lot like the unbelievers forwards just pure joy but it's in a way that like done so perfectly that you don't mind it in that way of yes. I'm not sure if you feel that same way but it's not it's not like it isn't field cheap somehow is No i totally agree. Wonder why. I don't know. I don't know why it is it is i feel like for me. Part of it is like since we do kind of get the back story of like where dawn has come from an like. We're cosmo's come from in that like day lake. We're definitely like down there. Look for a minute. There like freeman obviously in a comedic way of like everything was fine but like the the scenes are senior. Like oh no like this is not good for them for a while and then all of a sudden there are like working for a studio in like they're doing very very well. Dawn is one of the most well-known actors of the time. And then we get to see kathy like go from being cake dancer at a leap parties to becoming like an elite star herself. It's like a very gratifying thing to see on screen of lake in a way like they are underdogs in that sense. Like you always wanna root for the underdog to some extent so getting to see them like evolve in an era where like so many stars like fellow away because of the transition to talkies. It's really really exciting. And like joyful in that sense of like. Oh yeah like. This isn't necessarily a depressing movie in a even though like it could be viewed as a scary time for a lot of these performers. It's like this is just great because everyone is doing great and they keep doing great and like that's really fun to see. Yeah that's the point. I'm a question for you. Claire do you actually do like musicals. I like very specific musicals. I think that's the best way to put this. And i honestly think part of it is. It's taught like i feel like part of it is it's tied to this. See we're gonna get emotional already. I feel like a lot of the time the musicals. I like the most tied to my dad in some way like my dad loved like the sound of music in greece and so like i will go to bat for those movies till the day i die like i'm obsessed those like. I really love music pod. I own my god. Oh that'd be so fun august so far we have. We got a cigarette. Tribunals we'll take a break bowl comeback doing it new music right. Yeah i would love that but like we like those movies were like always on in my house like my dad loved those movies in like he would play the musical time in like we didn't watch singing in the rain which i'm honestly really surprised about because i know he liked it because he would sing singing in the rain all the time like all the time and especially when it there. Whenever the rare occurrence of iranian california occurred. That was like you just singing all day and it'd be like oh shut up like please stop. We've heard it twenty times today but like it was still fun in that way and so like i feel like that's a big part of it of like. The musicals ended up liking a lot of the time. Have like some like attachment to my daughter in that sense of like Like i know he really liked this or like. I assume he really liked this musical. And so i think that's also why a part of why like like the young girls more than i thought i would. Is that like. It feels very similar to singing in the rain and greeson in a way of life the vibrant colors and like it's always like a good time during that movie And so like. I know like i don't i i don't know like i don't know if you watched foreign film at all but like i would assume that if he did it would be. That would be another. He would really like and so it's fun like watching stuff like that and being like i put my dad would like this like this is fun so kind of i like musicals I definitely see your point about like. I mean i mean it kind of goes back to what i was saying about like the escapist where like ending i think greece and and the young girls a road foreign saying almost more than sound of music The nazi stuff yet. Pick out but like those three especially to sort of embodied escapes joy that sorta can offer. Yeah i just. I just think this this movie the epitome of that in some ways i agree i liked it a lot. I really was like genuinely kind of like sitting through it all like in a way like waiting for the moment where i'm like. Oh i don't like this and it just never came. It never came really glad. It didn't go thinner heart. Is there a house. You guys wanna talk about about singing in the rain you with your dad deceased men great chatting It's funny 'cause. I still eat the miss a lot of the like when i watch it with my dad. A lot of the thing. A lot of like The backs the he'd say. Now ethan tells me like that's so funny off q. Lawyers we could just list off a sooner. In fact we see each other. That's so funny in. It reminds me of the where it's like. Men can't not bring up that like that fact about lord of the rings where like the guy kicks a helmet and he actually broke his foot and like guys will always go. Did you know he actually broke his foot and he screaming at this songs. Like you're the best way. I was telling jason because he came over like playing music and shit in like i've never felt so called out by that medium in until i saw that name where where they're like. There's always that guy at the party that like always plays wonderwall is like a fuck on now. You're wonder why they got me wonder was like oh my god. I can't do that anymore now. You really can't mean that's so funny credit. I'm trying to think. I will say one of the things that i was most excited about laying. We landed on doing this movie for the episode was that i would learn a lot of fun. Facts about a film. That i don't know anything about so. I was really excited. I was like who's gonna tell me so much stuff. I did not know and it's going to be so epic i feel like i'm lacking on the facts. Now i feel like you gave me so only fun. Facts yeah is a lot of fun facts with honestly like the transition. The transition from from silent movies to sound is very interesting because no no no but like like like. I feel like for me. I almost wish silent. Movies continued almost another like four or five years because some uh late silent movies getting so innovative with staff. when they moved into talkies. You can sort of see see in this movie. Where they're like. Okay where we place the microphone such that we can hear the people and then they didn't get Score of the movie and everything else reserve like a. I guess we'll find a way for the person to say what they need to say in so like silent movies. Were getting really interesting. But at the same time when you get into like sort of talkies about five years in Prior to the hays code shutting things down so that was called like the pre code period between nineteen twenty seven and nineteen thirty mid nineteen thirty. Four where the he's code wasn't serving forcing exactly what couldn't couldn't be shown onscreen. So you get Teleki get of interesting like gangster pictures that end with like the villain succeeding. Which like you couldn't show in later movies or you get like sexual innuendos some girl. That's like you know. I like not nude but like covering yourself up in a way that you could sort of see a lot of things like. There's a lot of sort of scandalous stuff that shown during that time an it's a it. It is an interesting early. You wish you sorta got more of because it took you until Seventies until he's return to the themes got from her early thirties. I guess at least from us. Foams the i always think about from that. Yeah the gold diggers of nineteen thirty to ninety three three. That's a great. Yeah but like that at the stanford theatre again at stanford amazing posters which really want and. I'll never be able to have surprised so expensive but but they're amazing. Are these huge tall like skinny rectangular posters of the gold diggers of nineteen. Thirty three vom. And they're like you're on one of the gold diggers glades three three. He's like holding ring. That's like i was really but Covering her but it's long tulsa Accentuates like i don't know total every as ing ends amazing but also black and white and super vermont. I love those. I'm one of the golden Thirty three i. Yeah yeah whoa yeah great for. What is that ninety. Something very old taste such a bad joke on my part check that i need to find you know in the box. Oh i hope you like it like it in my panicked note. The note that he ran out of character happy birthday for exclamation points. I love the The four is essential. Yes game is fun but even if it's not the best i thought you'd get a kick out of it so grateful for you in your f- cut off. Yeah so grateful for it told me that fit your you and your friendship could have been anything in your friendships. Such a lovely person. This is so amazing. I'm so excited. I'm excited. i hopefully hopefully. it's g- good game. I don't know we haven't opened and play honestly look through. The cards laughed to myself. You're one of these days Yes yes yep. I'll have to like actually watch. I've watched enough snl. I don't think to fully play this game properly. So i will do my research. Yeah gonna get the answers to everything yes always going up and look at scar free readiness are like okay. You're going to be the game. Where ethan wins all the time. Perfect any final thoughts on this movie I i honestly was really really surprised to read. How like little award recognition the film god like when it first came out like it. I think the first line in the media pages didn't do that. Great in the box office and i was like what okay And so i think this is a really good example of a movie finding new life like in the streaming era. Now like it's a complicated thing of like. How page said earlier like this isn't a movie that was intended to be viewed like on a laptop or like even like a television set arguably like it is one of those movies that you watch and you're like man this. I wish watching this theater but it's like the one benefit having streaming now. Is that like these movies. That are great like really really good. Like don't get lost to the times. And i feel like that almost speaks to what this movie is about to begin with like transitioning into the new era in. So it's cool seeing like the fact that this movie can still be watched in like. It's very highly rated on letterbox. Like i think it's up. There is like one of the more popular films like. It's really exciting to see that. And so i'm really glad to have finally checked it off my list. Yeah i agree. It's epic it's a. It's always a good time. It always leaves me in a good mood and Yeah extremely memorable Like i said every time it rains. And i start seeing it. I just get really happy. Yeah it's just one of a lot of good memories associated with this movie from off like the theater and watching a damn if you and you know Yeah it's it's definitely one of my happy place movies. Yes same those like the certain movies that a of return to. If i'm like if i'm like a bad mood and it just need need this. You know like this. This and little miss sunshine represent tiffany's herald There's just certain movies that i'm like i can return to this. This will put me in a better state in. This is definitely in it. Like centers you Centers That's a really good way to say it. Centers centers man some ways. Yeah that makes me happy. Happy to watch it with the two amazing people. And i'm so thankful to be president with both of you in game ball lives in. Have you involved in my life. it's It's certainly like brings me a lot of joy so both like a comfort movie for me up. That's so cute. I don't like i don't know what to say. Hey i want a birthday episode. Oh we'll happy birthday. Yeah well. I mean yeah. My birthday's coming. So let's so so paid only guest. You undo quote thought. Good morning good morning. It's great stay up late. Good morning good morning to in the mall and it's great to stay up late in march in the modern with you. Little bo-bo was the part where i wish i could tap dance but i don't know how to tap dance. I hike one day. When i have kids in the future. I'm going to lake the. Maybe maybe the like it when they're like tom llamas but like make them up singing good morning when they get a little older they just hate it you know he signed can't wait for that me that's really cute. Emma grandma you. My mom did that to shed a little song and she would sing it literally. Every morning. it was I don't even know where this comes from like. I've never heard anywhere else. But from her she would go like. Oh shoot okay. Sugar like good morning to you. Do in the sunshine in the sunshine. Good morning good morning to you. Do do do do in for the for like an instrument. Oh no no no like she would walk in and the second she's in your room. She would start. Singing that due to do is like right when she would kind of like. Hate your shoulder little bit and be like. Are you awake yet to do. When your mom's god i don't know maybe one day she doesn't really under surely understands that a podcast is. I think you'll like mama mama podcasts. No literally i was like i was about to shut my door to start recording and shoot as in the hallway ironing cashews One tomorrow so iron uniform and she was like okay well by and she's like by and i was like well. I'm going to start recording so by like shut the door and she's like okay. What's exactly maybe one day. We'll do a mom's episode for mother's day so it'd be kia off the stage. Abby this is super solid. Thank you for listening another episode of set a flag. And i will see you next week.
5 Films You Should See
"Okay we ready to roll. Yes Sir it is time frame. Another brothers on the phone talking movies. Podcast that's what we're doing. We've decided to do. What was it? Five movies is that what we said we try. We're trying for five five movies. You should see that. Maybe you haven't not the obvious. I'm not going to tell somebody to see star wars the Gut It's ridiculous if if you haven't seen those why listening to us you know you did take down immediately and I and I know listeners. Yes so these are movies that you should see. And maybe you haven't or maybe you haven't seen in a wildly. You should really watch. That's how I looked at this thing. I want you to kick it off. Come on what do you got for me? Charlie Chaplin's City Lights. I know I've brought this up before but I really believe that. A lot of people probably under thirty five. Maybe even under forty haven't seen as me and I think because it's a black and white maybe people get a little shyer or they get a little turned off by black and white movies but it is a classic Charlie Chaplin Film. It's it's one of the great comedic it's silly it film that is about self sacrifice and of course it's A. It's such a romantic film and I would give. I would give any amount of money this and didn't need a lot of tissues because it's a tear jerker but in a really really good way I just love this movie. You know I do. It's one of my all time favorite gums. And I have to be geared up to say you know but it has a really really great ending to. That's really a cool film. I must admit I haven't seen that movie and I don't even know how many years ago and you know and you see clips event stuff but I really haven't watched it from beginning Dandan. I don't know how long I really and that that meets one of your criteria. Because it's a film that you did see but it's you have to watch these films again. Because they they get us at different points in our lives and things are different happening in so I think it's a really cool film and in fact I've I've seen it maybe four or five times myself but I'll watch it again just because I thought I haven't seen this and they don't run it enough on the movie channels. Yeah yeah no I mean. It's it's obviously want to consider one of his greatest films and you know the consider anything top of the line for Chaplain. New shows your special. It is it is. I was GONNA pick. Maybe as an honorable mention and I won't even say it's an honorable mention. It is the great dictator. I think that's super cool film but this is important film to see. I think because this just yeah. I'm Joanne t city lights. It's just a really special now. All right I got to admit I should say it again. I haven't seen the longtime the first one. I'M GOING WITH BRILLIANT. Surprise you with this too. It was actually on the other night. Go figure and I watched it and I I missed a few minutes of it but I just sat and watched it and they said you know this is really a good movie and I remember liking it more and more as I watched it People that are fans of the genre have probably seen it but many people probably Kinda just pooh-poohed it for many reasons from sixty nine on her majesty's Secret Service. Oh it is it. It's a really underrated James Bond Film and in watching it first of all Diana Rigg. Maybe the best bond girl ever. She's one of the few that could act first of all and look good and I think that that's really is. Add something to it. It has a very atypical. James Bond ending. It's tragic obviously and then also the action sequences are really top notch They are. They're probably better than any. Sean connery action sequence. The cinematography is beautiful. George Lazenby. He's he's fine. He's not awesome but he he serves the role they dial it back a little bit. They make him a little bit more. Vulnerable Than Sean Connery. Maybe he was becoming too much of a character of James Bond. And it's a really great film. Telly savalas good villainous. Blow felt it really is. This is one that if you haven't seen for those just see it and if you haven't seen a while do it again totally do it again folks if you're listening to this podcast don't see this film. It's not one of the better James Bond films in fact. I'm going to battle with you say that I did watch some of it. The other night snoozefest. It's so boring Laszevski is. He's so bad as James Bond. There's nothing James Bond about him. Other than the fact that he had like six two and he has dark hair and is for that day. I guess handsome. But Oh my God. He's stiff in flight. There's no there's no comedy he doesn't have any of the kind of dry with that. Roger Moore had or the sexiness of you WanNa if if I could even say that of Pierce Brosnan and certainly doesn't have the physique or anything near the fissile. Well okay. I obviously boring it is. It's not I WANNA know. Why meet this goal boring? Goldfinger takes time to develop won't totally disagree with that but that's a much more. Why is this movie? Why do I need to see? Why is it so important I told you about it? You've got probably. The ultimate bond girl died rick who? I asked a close and then you have a look at the cinematography like I don't even think you're paying attention because you're sleeping obviously and look the cinematography. It's absolutely beautiful and the action sequences for that time are really good. The ski chase the car chase. Some of the fighting. They're much more spectacular and not as cheesy. I can name five bond films over that that are that offer. Better in every category for buying girls either buying gadgets not even close Russia with. Love was always your favorite one. I say I didn't say that this was my favorite one. I said this is one that you should see. And maybe see again. Reevaluated I reevaluated. Film I pooh-poohed and then I went back and have watched it a few times and I want you know. This is pretty good. There was a bond poll conducted. I think in twenty twelve and it was the number one. Pick from bond fans this film. It's Colt pick. It definitely is was it. Grandma's over. Yeah yeah the demographic Oh my God you're I don't know who you are okay. All right well thanks. Thanks for embracing this each good. Go ahead with your next pick and be careful. I had coffee later in the day. So you'll have to excuse me clogs well. This is your favorite genre musicals singing in the rain. One thousand nine hundred eighty two directed by Stanley. Donen and probably the diamond of musicals. If you haven't seen musicals in so many people don't see music please eight. They don't make them anymore really and they certainly don't make them even in the last thirty years anywhere near what. The quality of singing in the rain Was If you WANNA see a film. Great Choreography Song and dance and some of the greatest sequences and musical numbers man. This is a Gene Kelly. Debbie Reynolds Donald. O'connor it just doesn't get better and it just it's wall I don't do is your no rest Eunice. Well you're kind of right in a sense that because I thought about Whoa cave there's the wizard of Oz. That's kind of an obvious pick in a way because it's a little too obvious because if you're under seven you're probably GonNa see that it's important as a child. Whether you remember the first watching of it I don't know but singing in the rain is not something that every household grows up with families especially as the farther we get to musicals and this was in the golden age of musical. I mean we saw because mom liked musical. She loves musicals American in Paris which is another great one. If you watch this that will this will lead you to. Maybe that I don't. I don't dispute that. This is a really fun and I mean data. I'm not a huge fan but this is a fun one. Donald O'Connor I just love it. He's just fantastic. It's amazing and what's her name. Jean Hagen is very funny to Kind of the dumb blonde type but I just like I said. I think it's kind of an obvious pickets in that top tier of musicals but okay. I only say because there aren't a lot of avenues to really watch classic movies to begin with and we know where they are and where we can find classic movies but it's not easy and they don't run musicals all the time they don't run them enough and happy and we need more cheerful happy silly fine and plus the fact. It's cool because you get to see the transition a little bit without giving away too much of the plot from silent era to the talkie so I highly recommend I know I know you love this film and I just think it's a bit of an obvious victim and it's a gateway them because I wanted to lead you to other great musicals like American in Paris and Oklahoma. I mean there's there's some meeting in Saint Louis. There's there's a Lotta great films but I think this one people can handle this and if they can analysts they could certainly see. That's entertainment the original one part part two part three. They're all fun. Obviously the great moments I followed the rules of this podcast. Unlike you who picked an obvious musical one of the greatest and that's why we all have opinions so Jealous I went to film from Nineteen eighty-four. This film was also the minute. It was released. Because it really. It was not going to be a big film in Insofar as box office. It's a neat story. And it's called Repo men Stars Emilio Estevez in Harry Dean Stanton and I don't even know how to describe this film. Like I said cult film the Day was released. Its part comedy. It's part adventure. It's part Sifi. It has it just throws the rule book right out. It's about a young punk rocker and Emilio Estevez who joins up with this Grizzled Car Repo Man Harry Dean Stanton and they repossess cars. And it's all the things that they get involved with in one of the cars. They happen to be tracking may have a connection to extraterrestrial aliens. But there's some really funny comedy in there that kind of pokes fun at you know the crazy eighties consumerism mass consumerism. That goes on everything that they that they consume in their bodies has For instance if they're drinking something it says beverage. Or if they're eating something in a candid says food is very funny and Emilio Estevez. Who's not somebody I really care for is perfectly suited for this role. He plays the punk rock really. Well Harry Dean Stanton is really goodness to. He's such an out there kind of guy and he's perfect for such an out there. Kind of film It is it's a lot of fun. The soundtracks really cool too because it is a lot of really great late seventies and early eighties punk rock and alternative artists and it really lends itself to the film. I think this is a. I think. This is a good pick. Even though I can't remember this film maybe I've seen parts of it. I never saw the whole thing all the way through. But it certainly. If you're looking at all the films the ten or eleven films that we picked. I don't have anything that represents that time period. So that's kind of a nice time capsule so I like that picking. Maybe I'll like the film. It wasn't something I was attractive. But go ahead. Yeah like I said it's just a it's a cult film. It's it's not one that you're going to see is going to gross two hundred million dollars. It's a film that you gotta sit there and you gotTa Watch have to be in the mood for it and you have to suspend disbelief. It's a wacky film. You think you. There's this film qualifies as a black comedy. Yeah Oh definitely Oh yeah yeah absolutely. Yeah like I said. There's comedy is really is underlying throughout this whole film but there's elements of Scifi adventure and car chases in violence. But it's still a funny film in in many ways so I I definitely recommend seeing it. I think it's a it's a good time. It's you won't see anything like it and it is. It's very much of that period of time but it still holds up because it's so out there. I'M GONNA I'm GONNA revisit this. I am going to give it a chance. You should all right. That's good I went really very serious on this. Next Pick Schindler's list. I was actually my first one. I thought I was between Schindler's List or guess. Who's coming to dinner because these are films that I think maybe people haven't seen certainly guess who's coming to dinner I would say that's a certain demographic and that certainly talked a lot about that was all about the Interracial marriage of a couple and just sort of evolved and how they tell their parents but I just thought. Somehow I think Schindler's List just Kinda hits me in a different way. I think that it should be shown in schools and I realized that it's a tough theme. Certainly because of the time period of World War Two The Nazis. I realize you can't show that to young children but certainly certainly to high school students. I don't know I just think that there's a lot of people that really should see the story. It's a true story of the German industrialist Oskar Schindler and what an amazing transformation his character goes through. I mean it's a real person. He's a real person. It's it's just a an amazing film and as sad and his melancholy is as it is because it is true the events that happen at the same time it has an upbeat it has a hopeful ending and and I just think it's. It's just something that people should see. His character goes through a an amazing change in the in the film. Which makes it such an interesting film to watch. And and as I remember correctly when it aired on television Steven Spielberg made a deal with the networks that it would be commercial free so I I strongly recommend this film You mean you have to really be. I mean it was very successful at in. Its time especially for the subject matter. I mean I'm sure the film probably gross two hundred and fifty two hundred million dollars. Which a film of that subject banner probably would never have gross that type of money but do people still watch it. Are People still viewing today? I wonder in therefore i. I say that the pick is an interesting pick. Don't know that people are watching it today. I don't. It's a good question I don't really I don't know and again. This is not something you see every day but Steven Spielberg Steven Spielberg got this made. Because he made amazing hits like jaws and an et and and and raiders of the lost art. I mean He. He was the king of of major epic blockbuster films and they gave him. What was it? Twenty million or whatever it costs to make this film and I don't think they wanted to do it but they didn't have much choice but it ended up being pretty successful so I just think anyone. The Best Director Filing For Schindler's list. Yeah I mean it's obviously a very brave film and not too many directors could pull it off like he did so. Yeah I mean I I would recommend anyone or you if you WANNA see acting ray fines. If you're a fan of Raiffeisen. Whoa he. Is He scariness. He really his for his performance isn't grow if you think he was great in. Harry Potter was voldemort. Which is wow. He is a monster in this. It's yeah it would be nice if they showing this In schools is that they ever would And that's a shame but I definitely couldn't hurt to see this type of film and people see what can happen I'M GONNA kind of pick you back when this one. Interestingly enough with the film is somewhat similar sense I'm a huge fan of film war and I love the the dark in the shadows and there's a lot of grief film noir picky one from nineteen forty seven. It's a message picture dressed up as a film noir. Murder Mystery But it's called crossfire and it talks about the evils of Anti Semitism coincidentally enough In in it's about a gentleman who's Jewish who gets murdered because he's Jewish and it was really it beat Gentlemen's agreement which came out the same year to the movie theaters. The original story was based on a murder of homosexual. And I think the producers just fell Hollywood in the public weren't quite ready for that yet so they toned it down to more relevant team at that time of Anti Semitism especially postwar It's a really neat film. It just shows what happens at night and none of it is any good and the darkness and into office film. I had never seen this though you recommended this to me. And you've got to see it. Robert Young is great in it. Robert Ryan is is is Whoa. He's evil total totally. I mean he was nominated for the award performance and it was a performance. I think the dog demaim his whole career because he was so not that guy and he couldn't escape that performance. I like this film. This is not a film normally the I would have picked. Maybe gentlemen's agreement this. Maybe wouldn't have hit me right away but this is as good if not better. It shows you how how horrendous it was yes and appeared to have what people went through. Well I mean you have. You've got post war. And you've got soldiers aimlessly walking around the streets and these are guys that are smoking cigarettes. They're drinking. They're playing cards and they're getting into trouble because they haven't really found that next phase of their lives yet. They're just adjusting to coming back home. And you seem billion live. Yeah see what happens to these guys? And some of their prejudices that they carried over are back home now and it's very interesting and yes. It has Robert Ryan Robert Mitchum Robert. Young all three really good Robert Ryan deftly steals the show. But it's funny you don't get too lost in the message really until the end when Robert. Young kind of gives a speech about it. It's a murder mystery. And it's a good one and they really don't like hit you over the head with it but it's there yes definitely. Yeah it's a good pick. Thanks I like that. Yeah in fact it makes me WANNA watch it again. Yeah because I think I saw it and I was a little bit sleepy. It was later at night and so I should. I should just want. Dvr Or just watching totally. Yeah pick and well I can certainly pick up a little bit. Maybe with This was really. I was really between two different movies. I have to say. Mr SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON NINETEEN THIRTY NINE FRANK. Capra films eighty years old this year. I I love this film because it just. There's not enough of these films that are made about characters that are idealistic and see the world in such an inspiring way and when they believe something and they're passionate about an idea or they're 'cause they just they don't give off in Jefferson Smith. The character Jimmy Stewart plays just personifies that that care that character. I was going to mention Mrs An honorable. Mention the movie rudy. Which I think was a I remember when I very first saw thinking. Wow talk about an indomitable spirit. Somebody that just doesn't give up the prices on against all odds not that movie. Just the DEFRAYS. Yes I I have to say that this movie is it just makes you think like are are there are people really like this that exist in the world and I think there are but it's just it's just cool. I think for people to see it just it made me think like anything is possible so. I think it's a grand Jimmy. Stewart is just terrific in this film. I should've won the Academy Award for this film and Not Philadelphia's door yeah he was great and I. We've talked about that before we. I do believe Robert. Donate who want for goodbye. Mr Chips deserved at nineteen thirty nine. But I would say that Jimmy Stewart was an excellent Second Choice for me. And Yeah his performance in Philadelphia Stories. Fun I I imagine. It was probably a reward. Because they felt they maybe they messed it up thirty nine. I don't know he was delivering so many good performances at that point Yeah I mean. It's certainly a good pick You know we. We need something like that in. Today's world Frank CAPRA always with the messages in his films. I'm not a huge frank CAPRA fan. I don't always care for the messages sometimes at the heavy handed But I respect it and it it it is a it is a good film it does draw you in and you really do care about their character. You really deal when you see him. He can barely stand and you feel for him so okay and how many films we see. Robert Deniro changes look and lose. Fifty pounds gained fifty pounds the same thing with so many Christian. Bale he doesn't always get always loses a ton of Wade and and I'm bill. How many how many actors can you think of that? Lost their voice while they would get homing the movie and Jimmy Stewart. Actually uses loses his voice. While he's doing a terrible it adds to the It has the authenticity of the phone. I don't know that you'd fan of the filibuster though. So that's why that's why we have an issue with this phone but that's for another time I'M GONNA go to Nineteen eighty-one. This is just funny flat out funny movie definitely under the radar. I think a lot of people never saw this film. I I really recommend seeing. It is just silly. There's no message here. You just want to sit and laugh and you should laugh. It's used cars directed by Robertson Mexico's and executive produced by Steven. Spielberg I really I. Don't there's I like this big? It's not trying to be an important comedy. It's not trying to be anything other than just ridiculous and I think that's why I love it. It's absolutely And everyone is in it. And they're playing to the hill a Kurt Russell. Better and he's underrated actor. I've always felt he was. He plays a smarmy used car guy. But you like him and Jack. Warden is hilarious to roles fantastic. Royal His Royal Fuchs to shows his range. Here's a guy that played a lot of serious roles but he was really great in this. He great great sideburns Giving steel I mean they picked a very fine actor to play a comedic role. Not a comedian. Now Jack Ward proves that. He is definitely overlooked and underrated. I like this. I was GONNA pick a silly film. I was GONNA pick a caddyshack but I figured you're going to have that covered. I just have faith that you would have the caddyshack too obvious like you said I. I tried to pick things that weren't well. You're you're right. I was just flying recently back from Nashville. And there was a couple sitting next to me on the plane and its southwest had about maybe six or five or six movies that you could watch and one of them was caddyshack and they must have been. I would say in their late twenties and they were debating which film to watch and they were looking at a little little trailer caddyshack and I thought If you guys want to laugh this is the film if you haven't seen it. And they said yeah we heard really good things about it and they were terrorists. Say They were obviously for sells. You should've immediately reported them. There's just un-american Americans absence just disgusting but Garrett Graham's greatest to he practically steals the movie is Jeff. Maybe the most superstitious character in his fill in that movie he has. He's just he's hilarious getting into a red car. It's a red Car Rhody. It's just fan task. It gets so silly. Leonard Squeak here in They're funny I like. I said totally totally silly. Totally ridiculous worth. Think you're GONNA love it you're gonNA laugh out loud. That's a good. That's a really. Yeah we we needed a silly pick. I'm with you on that. And that's overlooked films overlook totally. I think this is. This is important silly comedy to say it really is well. You're not going to get a silly comedy out of me. I my my last pick is going to be rear window and I this was not. I wasn't debating this at all because certainly it's in the AF is a one hundred greatest films of all time not that that was a criteria but it was cool to see that it's pretty high up on the list. I think this movie's really when I first saw it. I didn't think about the perspective of film that seeing through the main character but we also get to see it and make a judgment from our own is as well and it juxtaposes. It's back and forth. Which makes it really fun to watch. And I think it's maybe Alfred Hitchcock's one of his greatest masterpieces. We get to do something. We get to be voyeuristic which is just something that it's not necessarily the most flattering thing to admit but I think it's something that we all think about as human beings and and and certainly hitchcock was somebody that played on our fears and he would show kind of the worst side of humanity So I think this is really. It's a fun film it's comedic. There's there's certain certainly romance in it. And it's full of suspense and mystery. And I just I love it and I just I can't get enough of it. Every time they show it in one of the art festivals. I go to see it because it's so cool to it on the big screen. I mean it's a really good movie. I can't argue that. I think it's kind of a and it's a two John Vincent note. It's a no risk pick though I don't really you're pushing the I mean it is. It's a great film. I always had one problem with this film. One problem is I never really fully bought Grace Kelly Jimmy Stewart? I think because the age difference. I think the age difference based on the looks. Because that that that's that's something different it just it never. They never felt that much of a couple to fake. I think there was a there was a resistance on Jimmy Stewart's character. Which is I think. Part of the back whose character wasn't and he did a great job of big Nori her advances in the fill me so it kind of makes you feel like it's not a great match up to do with them but really she's the one that's more stuck on him and once once that relationship more than he does but when I saw it again. Mar I'll tell you what really hit me. It was a two-shot film that we're looking at it. We're looking at all the lives in all the happenings of people in the different apartment buildings without give me too much film away and of course we see the inside of where Jimmy Stewart Grace. Kelly like I said it's an Argo. Hits a great film. I I think it's like it's a no risk. If you had said rope I would have been more fascinated with with that pick. I don't think people a lot of people are not going to be a lot of people's cup of Tea. I wouldn't I wouldn't think that I mean it's a Nissan. I like it. I think it's a cool film but I had to really grow on me and I don't know that something I need to see. I'm going with rear window. I know you're a little on the fence about it. I know you like the film. I mean yeah I mean listen. It's a great film and everything. They don't make movies like this anymore. Where do you see a movie like that? Not Very inventive. It's very creative My last pictures from nineteen thirty four. And I've I've gone through this pick many times Oh by the way. Rear Window is nineteen fifty four by Alfred. Hitchcock cock-up yes. Thank you Universal it may tons of money with Frankenstein and of course dracula and then eventually the mummy the Wolfman I think those are the films that remembered for most during their kind of Golden Age Hollywood but the greatest heart foam they remained in my opinion was the black cat. And it's the one that I think is really. It's the one that sticks with me after all these years. Don't get me wrong. Frankenstein Dracula their fund the Wolfman Great Horror Film. I feel like everyone's probably seen some version of those films with the Black Cat. Takes risks. The black hat is a very risky film was made on that. Kinda DICEY PERIOD. When the code was still a little gray was teaching and they could get away with a lot. I mean it's a movie about satanism and of course there's necrophilia in in all kinds of violence in horrible things happen but it's so subtle And then you have the two greatest horror film stars of of all time going head head. Karloff Negoti Carla has never been more sinister and yet more controlled in a performance. He is just the personification of total freaking evil now aggressively dials. It back now just on a pronunciation. Do you say Bela Lugosi? Or Bela Lugosi. I go with the Bela Lugosi Bella. that's kind what I would think. Yes yes yes I do. Thank you this movie. You have been selling me. This film vacuum cleaner salesman. Just wants to sell you that Kirby vacuum so I'm just going to give into it and I'm just going to say I'm GonNa Watch this film from start to finish and report fact you take a quiz or whatever I I do. I really do is your favorites. I think it's maybe sixty two minutes long. You've wasted more of that time today. Doing something far less important. Which won't see is one of the cornerstones of Horror Cinema. But it's not typical in any way the sets or call the direction is very cool. Yes it's a little slow because of their thirties period. But I'm telling you KARLOFF is so crazy in it and go see is really good too. He plays a little bit against type. He's he's a protagonist for sure but it definitely a flawed one And their matchup together when they play a game of chess for a woman's life is just awesome. It really is an when Karloff sits or And you hear a done I mean it's just iconic it's like it's just amazing so they cram so much in sixty seven minutes and you should be thoroughly wonderfully disturbed after you see the film so well that I think is a great. I mean isn't good. Picks over off. I only had one issue and you had semi issue so I think overall we've got good films people. Well Yeah I mean. I didn't have any one. Can't argue a scene in the rain. WINDOW ARC rate movies. I just you know you have been riskier. But they're great films. There's nothing well you were completely offended. Five service well you've got it folks here here are our picks for this week's episode so Once again we are brothers on the phone talking movies. That's what we do. We hope you enjoyed the podcast Check you sound on facebook for sure. Check out these podcasts. If you ever want to chime in and let us know with your Pixar for the stuff we're talking about we love to hear from you. Totally pleased to see at the movies. All right good night.
Ep 162: Suddenly, Last Summer
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Thank you thank you jackson. And so everyone we are on vacation this week. So what we decided to do get. This decided to lean whistles. Don't care if we're on vacation as far as they're concerned they're listening to an episode. Yes but i thought you always like to be honest with the listeners. So does he does. I just wanted to say something Of course. I want to be honest but that doesn't include burdening people with unnecessary information. I mean here commercials for pharmaceuticals all the time that warn of the possible side effect of anal leakage. And in all my years of school we must have had at least one substitute for a teacher who was out with that problem but they never said it. Misses adams is here today because miss murphy is home with anal leakage. We would never have found that image out of our heads. Forget phonics in fact. They've told us that i'd be pronouncing. Phonics onyx okay. First of all that's ridiculous and secondly it's not the same thing at all and god damn it. what are you doing. Oh can you hear that. Oh sorry you just sanding the show. You don't do that. Sometimes when i'm stressed guys just real quickly for the future. Bonnie excuse me talent for the future. Bonnie sanding shelves and recording. Don't go together unless you're making a low budget film about shelf sanding monster okay. Yes that goes without saying all those sanding monster films out there and incidentally no one is going to watch a sanding monster movie that pronouncement from the grown man who loves sylvester stallone movies. You even said you liked the first rocky to real quickly i. This is a very special for me. In wanted me tyler. What set it apart from the other rocky movies is that it was watchable but there are some flaws clearly burning with developmental delays until she has sex with rocky. He should open a clinic. Bonnie what the fuck is that. Oh you hear that doing the dishes. Why we're doing the podcast that we will waiting for tony. I'm here. I just want to say anything because everyone was stickling is now a good time. Just really quickly wanted to say tyler. Just wait everyone wasn't stickling tony. If you weren't stickling to than it wasn't everyone. I rest my case as you guys know. This is actually going to be my last episode. And hold on a second tyler. Tony you sent adam coffee and not me. You don't drink coffee. And how long have you been holding that against me whether you doing. Oh this is my last. And i really really just wanted to thank you all. Thank everyone and say how much this is meant to me. It's been really really really desailly. Jesus christ will you stop interrupting adam. I think so. Listeners will be happy if we take a vacation. let's leave them with a good interview from the archives. You know what paula. i think. That's a great idea because clearly if we take a week off maybe we can reset our stickle re reflexes and we have something really great here because Paula have you been watching jeopardy lately. No they've had this parade of guest hosts and some are great and some aren't but they all managed to do something which i think is both necessary and which is that they all give tribute to the fact that they are merely filling. The shoes of alex trebek's so we had the good fortune just about a year and a half ago to talk to alex trebek's he was just wonderful and gracious and i thought we could rerun that interview because it also has right afterwards. A surprise call for one hundred caller contest. Nice spoiler alert. The surprise callers carol burnett so when we come back we will be joining the wonderful late. Great alex trebek's here on. Nobody listens to paula poundstone. Now you can say goodbye trail mix. 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So i'm trying to figure out how to reach people you know so therefore i have come up with a game. Show idea that. I'm gonna do from my house. And the question is am i capable of hosting a game show. Well fortunately we have with us. The world's best game show host. He can tell you whether you could actually do his job yet. It's time for career corner where we learn about the wide world of jobs. Would you like to be a fireman from how bad a train engineer. Maybe i'd like to make a living as a spun wilder. What can you do with your life. Career corner has the answer this week. Let's explore career as a game show host here to help discover. She could cut it in the stressful high stakes world hosting a game. Show is the man who has hosted jeopardy since nineteen eighty-four the one and only alex trebek's. Oh my guys. Thank you for helping. Break me out of my a confinement. Thank you for breaking out for us. Alex welcome what. We're so glad you could be here. Thank you very much. thanks. Alex where are you anyways. I'm sitting at my desk in my office at home in los angeles in los angeles in the san fernando valley. Ooh turns out me and alex our neighbors. Oh really yes alex. I'm glad you're not my neighbor because you call the cops on me for my dog barking in the backyard right now. I thought you can't person. I have two giant dogs and twelve cats away. Somebody has to keep the cats in line just about to say eleven cats. I have a cat that is so old. He apparently one of the things. That's happened to her in her old age as she keeps trying to go into like any time. You open a cabinet or a door. She tries to go into the closet or or the cupboard. The keeps the pots and pans. And i don't see that well. And so i keep shutting the door. She's been cut in half more than a magician's assistant at get a little strange that the cat keeps trying to go into the cause youth. Yeah right wouldn't you think that somewhere along the way she would figure out that that's not a good idea but cats are not great lesson learners. That's for sure all right. That is true. Speaking of learning lessons alex. I need to know how to be a game show host so let me begin with this on a regular alex. Trebek's day when you're making jeopardy. What is your day look like. What are the tasks that you have to do. Well i arrive at the studio at six o'clock in the morning. Okay yeah i go to harvest food for the no i I go through the mail and then at seven thirty. Our head writer delivers the five games. That we are going to be taping that date and it takes me about an hour and a half to go over. Every clue in every category in those five games. And i make dia critical marks. So that i don't make mistakes in pronouncing words and familiarize myself with all of the material I also make checks on some of the clues that i think are too close In information to some of the other clues in those five games because the games are selected at random so we could have a little bit of duplication. At nine o'clock we have a production meeting with the two producers to writers and myself and we ordered the games. And then i. Around ten o'clock i go to the studio. I get the hair. Makeup and wardrobe and at eleven o'clock. Were ready to go. And we taped three shows in a row with one audience and we break for forty five minutes. Then we'd take the last two shows with a different audience and by about four o'clock four fifteen were done for the day so it's basically a ten hour day that's amazing and how many days a week would you do this days a week and a half means two weeks of programming every time every two days that we go out and take. Oh wow okay great because you can get a little ahead of things now in mind you guys perhaps not aware but in order to make it. Profitable for the networks are the indicators. This is a tradition. That goes back many many decades. They decided that they were going to take an entire week of programming in one day. And that makes it just ideal. Because the host comes in he works is one day goes on and lounges around his pool. Everybody win everybody. Wins like to pull part now. Okay when you're actually taping the show right you come out your ouster beck is. They're acting involved in the way that you ask the questions. I don't think so. I think i try to read the material as closely as i can to give it proper meaning On our show particularly because we are so heavily driven by information. It's important that you get the message across you. Don't want to confuse the contestants. Your it could as simple as possible for them to perform at their very best. So that's why make the dia critical remarks. We have so much limited space on the television screens. The monitors we use for our clues that sometimes two words that normally go together are separated at the end of the line. And if you aren't careful reading it you can confuse the contestants and that that's not our aim. Of course we want them to show themselves to be as smart as they possibly are now. Have you ever had a difficult contested. difficult in what way paula. Well in any way you mean hives at me or no no. We've very by now keep in mind. We've been on thirty six years and the people know that there's a certain formality if you will to jeopardy so they abide by that. They're very polite They can be funny. They know that But if they're going to challenge a clue for instance. They are instructed to do their challenge during a commercial break and i see and we will try to resolve it. They're not going to speak out and interrupt me reading fluency a alex. Wait a minute. I the i think my my response was right. They're not yeah so you've never had anybody like flip the podium. No okay never had anybody who storm off and said you know. I don't have to put up with this shit that nothing like that. Nobody what we have had when we were doing the kids tournament. We have had many many tearful scenes because keep in mind when you're doing a children's tournament. These kids are the pride of their parents. Is they do well in school. They're not used to having anybody say. Hey you're wrong. They're used to being lauded and all of a sudden they get in a game on jeopardy against two other kids who have similar backgrounds and they lose and they're not used to losing. They're not used to having somebody say ooh sorry. Two of the three contestants who walk off the stage losers quite often shed a lot of tears and it's hard but you don't take that opportunity to make fun of them. Do yo know in. Ever my god. And i don't even try to make fun of the adults who appear on the program even though some of them give me a many reasons or many. Now i have to say alex alexander my my son and my son for some reason. He's just turned twelve. And he's been watching old episodes of the sitcom cheers. He's just in love with it and recently just just a week ago. I found myself explaining to him on the immortal jeopardy episode of cheers how that episode became part of the lingo of jeopardy as pulling klavan right. Yes and Took us completely. By surprise they came to me. The people at cheers and asked if i would do a cameo appearance and we started doing readings and every reading we did a. They looked at me and they said rebecca and lines so we kept expanding and they expanded it in that unique way in order to Do the cliff. Cleveland did and it has lasted. It's amazing it has lasted now for twenty years and it's incredible. I wanted to ask you apropos of policy question about difficult contestants. Have you over the years. Seen contestants actually pull a in or something close to it and for those who don't know what is the. Cleveland is when you needlessly bet away all your money and lose the game. We've had contestants lose all of their money. But i won't say that needlessly wager and lose it a bigger win the game but We've had other contestants who have taken advantage of the cleveland thing. A teenager in one of the tournament's wrote down as his final. I don't know what the response is. But i just won seventy five thousand dollars so they the little off script if you will i. By the way in terms of trebek's being able to handle a script on alex trebek's was On the dais at an event for an organization a charity organization called actors and others for animals and i was also on the day and we were roasting a betty white at our many. There were many comedians up there. And then alex trebek's name gets called and we're all looking at each other going out your back is is a game show hook. Why out jeopardy. What indication is there then he would be funny on roast well. Ours to back stole the show. He was the real. I don't know if you've heard of them. Alex but alex trebek's was the funniest up there. Do you remember that ni- alex i do remember that. That was At the universal hilton. Yeah and you're so funny. And i think blow everybody away because it's not the side of you that we see when you're hosting jeopardy all right speaking of which let me get back to the point. Okay let me. Let me interrupt you. Just a second because You bring up a very interesting point and that is that no matter who you are as the host you have to keep in mind the game itself. That's the most important element you're dealing with. The game is the star and you have to adapt yourself to that game so if it's a a more cerebral game such as jeopardy say it does not behoove you to become the standup comic. You're running a specific game that is designed to entertain a wide range of viewers. And you should not intrude in the format. So you're saying if you're a comedian say who's prone to long and sometimes rambling digressions. You might want to rain that in to become a good game show host. Yes at now. One exception in a way was Richard dawson who you'll recall hosted family feud yes and he used to drive the producers crazy because as his manager wants said we've taken a lot of crap from producers over the years. Now it's our turn to dish it out so launch into dialogues and tell stories instead of running the game and at the end of the taping the producer would have a half hour show. That was forty two minutes long and retired excessive editing. But that was richard's way of getting even longtime ago. Wow you know outwin. I entertained jeopardy staff at your christmas party and thank you again. That was a blast. I would surprised how many people worked on the show. Did it always takes out large a staff when we started. I was the producer. And i think we had six writers to contestant coordinators one researcher a stage manager and myself. We couldn't have been more than twenty people now. We're probably up to over one hundred. That's a lot of people isn't a lot of people the other thing. I was really surprised about while. I was entertaining. Your staff i. I would just sort of point to somebody in. Ask them a question. How i used to do when i worked on stage and i'd say so. How long have you worked to the show and they would tell me. Did you get hired to do that. Particular position your what and somewhere along the way people began to say no all my life. I grew up wanting to work on a game show. And i just couldn't get over that like many of the people answered my questions. That was always my dream to work in a game show. Who grows up thinking that people think. I want to be an actress so i wanna be a lawyer. You know. we're the skydiver. Who did you grow up wanting to be a game show host. No it happened by accident. Actually i was working for the canadian. Broadcasting corporation in toronto and one of my first assignments was to host a high school quiz show called reach for the top. Now you may have seen that particular show mimicked by eugene levy and the setv guys years ago and they Yes and they had. John i mean think of the cast they had. They had john candy. Eugene levy they had jewish clarity catherine o'hara martin short andrea martin. Yes they had so many talented people who went on to more success in motion pictures. But those tv shows are still out there those takeoffs and the ones that are eugene levy did at me hilarious. And i've said this before. Funnier than the will ferrell on saturday. Night live wild. I agree with you. Keep in mind. 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It's about the game itself. Yup it's about the game the contestants advice for you as host of the program. Yet you be yourself be natural. Don't try to upstage the contestants because that will alienate the audience. Oh you don't wanna take off your on. The audience wants to look at you as the friend of the players because they imagine themselves in the position of contestant incher adding they relate to the contestants so they say cheese. You know what there's a waiter up there and he's doing well. And i'm aware damn. I could probably do well if i were there. Oh wait a minute. Why is all picking on him. I don't like paula. So so that's one of the things you have to guard against. You also have to be a little bit of a traffic cop in that. There's a certain time limit for each segment of the program and you have to get that segment done within that time limit so as i said earlier. It's not a time for doing a lot of ad living occasionally it might if the game is playing very quickly and your stage manager comes to you and says hey where were minute under were. We're good if you want to say something. Then you can do a little number or whatever so that's very important you you're a producer or a director if you will on the floor and you're the director's best friend out there because If you get along well and understand each other there would be no problem you you get a feel for how the game is going. You know where to put stress. You know where to heightened suspense. You know where to encourage the contestant who may not be doing particularly well and conversely you know how to put controls on a contestant who is not only doing well but perhaps lording it over the opponent so anyways there are many ways in which you can exert your influence but the trick is always always always be on the side of the players. I love that what great advice. That is great advice. Hey alex. I'm sure you've heard this because i've heard it. Which is that mel brooks and carl. Reiner used to get together in the evenings and they would eat dinner on a tv tray and watch jeopardy together and you'll ford that right. I was there at mel's house. He and carl were recording clues for us and they told us that's the way they spend their evenings so i have no reason to disbelieve at. That's gotta be the highest praise that any performer could have i think will. Hey we love fans and if they are famous fans whose work we admire and have admired for years. It makes it even more special for us on. Yeah that's such a great thing. I i have one question for you. Do i need a sidekick. Hey no you do not stay jackass vanna. You have adam. Yeah sure. I have johnny gilbert behind the scenes. So it you don't need a sidekick some games it helps when i was doing high rollers many many years ago my sidekick was rudely and then after her elaine stewart because they were rolling the dice while i was explaining the rules and running the game and it worked out beautifully. It was a great relationship. And and i have remained friends now for about forty years and But it's not always required a. Have you ever felt a little jealous. That patsy jack has someone to to turn the letters No on our show there. There really is no place for a co host I read the clues. What else is there. Yes you're going to point the clue. I'm reading or or go. Good one alex. If i can go back to a few moments ago when you were talking about mel brooks and carl reiner sure saying how nice it is when people like that Are fans of the show. When i started hosting jeopardy and the show suddenly became popular. I would get invited to a lot of events. A lot of celebrity golf matches and one of my big thrills was being invited to the frank sinatra classic in palm springs and meeting frank and finding out that he was raising fan of the show out nice and he sent me a letter thanking me for he says you guys made me a star yet. Right would evasion. So he was he was my musical hero and my showbiz hero and to find out that he watched on a regular basis. That was extremely pleasing to me. I why does johnny gilbert always mispronouncing your name. Well he did. I don't know it's. I had a younger sister who died a few years back and she did not pronounce travek way. I pronounced rebecca. So i've got used to it there. I don't mind slight variations in the pronunciation. You've never mentioned it to him. Cnn side and we are over shoulder and said it's true beck. No i've never done that. Yeah have been together now. Thirty six years. Never a spat never Nasty word between us. Oh that's so. Nice i i guess. I guess after the first decade or so telling him would become awkward. Yeah i it's like when you have the social acquaintance and you don't know their name exactly. After a certain amount of time it would now be more awkward to ask them their names. That happened with me. And my dad. You know i would recognize him in the hallway of the house but i i know i know and i just couldn't you know just too late. Yeah now it would be embarrassing. Yeah i get out. What other game show would you like to host. If i'd had my druthers i would've loved to have hosted hollywood squares the now to me that was the ideal job. First of all the host is seeded. I have spent a many many standing on a stage. I loved it when i got an opportunity to sit. Hollywood squares was my ideal because as the hosts you asked a celebrity question and the response would almost always make you laugh and the game itself was very simple to deco and who could not like that One of my really good friends is peter marshall and we talk about those days together and It was the ideal job for him and because he was so pleasant so endearing and so friendly with the contestants and knew how to play off of the celebrities. Yeah who makes the best contestant. Yeah that's a good question because we've talked about how paula could become a good host. But who's the ideal game show contestant. Somebody's smart what what we've discovered over the years is that Teachers lawyers and students make the best contestants and the reason for that we discovered was that there used to confrontational situations in classrooms. Think of lawyers. They're in a courtroom they have to rebut. They have to make arguments so they're used to thinking on their feet and that helps you. Allot as congested. And the same true for teachers and students. Teachers are trying to nail students. Students are trying to one up the teachers. But in in general if you have the knowledge and there are people as we've discovered certainly this year with james hall tower who is a professional gambler. Austin rogers who's a bartender dizzy. Who was in Recording business they all knew a ton of stuff and they were able to express themselves easily and be comfortable in the setting. That's so important for contestants. If you're going to succeed you need to be someone who can deal with the pressure of the moment because keeping under two other individuals here who want to beat your brains in right right. Yeah now paula. Let me ask you this. You're thinking career a game show host. Yes i ended up. show would you like to host. Which kind of program would you feel. Most comfortable hosting a wheel afford jibe show is at a gun show is a jeopardy type program. Is it a To tell the truth type show well. I'm limited by the fact that i'm going to do the show from my living room on a zoom type of format because we can't gather in groups and so i'm gonna use you know what the world of technology has to offer. I'm going to be in my in my living room. I'll tell you one it's going to be a question and answer kind of show with two contestants that are answering questions about one. Another one element of the show. You know i do have twelve cats and each contestant at the beginning of the show will pick a cat and if they're cat happens to walk in front of the camera while we're taping they get an additional point and if their cat throws up anywhere in my house while we're taping they just blame lose. Well that sounds. That sounds great so paula. It sounds like it's sort of like if they have answer questions about each other. It's sort of like a newlywed game. For people who are neither married nor indeed have met no they will have met but not for married people they will have met okay. And i think it'll borrow a little bit from jeopardy in that There will be questions about really informational things as well as as questions about the the persons themselves but Yeah it's going to be done from from my living room. In fact alex if as soon as the stay at home order is finished with. And i don't know when that will be you are welcome to come host. My and i will gladly be your sidekick y-yeah i'm thinking that instead of having it as a situation in which you are the host and you have two contestants how would it be a few had just one contestant and you mentioned that you would be asking questions and expecting answers. That's good so you could do that. With one contestant and maybe instead of a game show you could call it. An interview are interviewing tax of being star. They're not they're absolutely are yes indeed. And that's one of the things that sets a lot of the people apart but again it depends on the kind of show you're doing i can't get away with it too too much on on jeopardy but Sajad can do it on wheel. Yeah well you know maybe you could get a big wheel sometime. Had a big wheel tremendous. Yeah i can't. Thank you enough alex for your help and your advice and for being a part of our our goofy little podcast. While you're you're welcome. Bala death i think you as a game show host a i think you would be sensational given the right format and that's so important and it's so important to the success of a program you can be the best game show host on earth but if the program is in very good you won't succeed but if you get the right combination of host and show peter marshall hollywood squares at say jack and wheel of fortune. Bob barker prices right Richard dawson family viewed. Alex trebek's hopefully once that show host and paul and paula poundstone with. What's that cat doing here. you've well. Well thanks alex forgiving publicly. She needs to figure out if she could control the board and become a gameshow host. Paula what have you learned about becoming a good game show host. And could you do that job. Hey jackson if i could get a little background music i'll tell you what my takeaways are. Perfect i have to say. Alex trebek's was very encouraging and supportive about the idea of me hosting a game show over the internet. And i'm gonna do it still some of what he did. Give me pause. He mentioned for example writers contesting coordinators of researchers. We're on a stay at home order. And i have no money. It's me twelve. Catch two big dogs and a dictionary. That's missing half the ape pages. That's my research staff. Although i do have a book about clump hosting called let it rock. He said it's it's important to keep in mind the game itself. I don't know if the understands my memory problems which have been exacerbated by the stress of this crisis. I can't keep anything in mind. I'm sure to stop me quiz question saying what were we doing. He said the jeopardy contestants abide by a certain formality. I don't think mine. Will i get guys like paul who bitches that he thinks. The french trump press conference could only be funny once but he listened to four episodes. Says i'm supposed to be on the side of the contestants posed contestant. I'm not supposed to say. Please welcome our first contestant. Paul who left his negative fringe trump comment on the comments section for the video about the little tofurkey meant. I don't think i cannot say that alex. Thank you so much for being on our show you know. One day paulie you will be essential again but one man we know is essential is the host of jeopardy. Alex trebek's and alex. Thank you so much. We'll be back with more. Nobody listens to paula. Poundstone after this. 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How are you and yours holding up during the have you taken to eating marshmallows. I during the no. no no. We're doing okay. I've got my my husband. And i are here and We have our kitty cat and It's one day goes into the next day and the next but we're staying somewhat. Shane by Doing crossword puzzles and watching good. Old movie excellent. What was the most recent old movie that you watched all my gosh well. We watched Singing in the rain. Which i know by heart but i love it singing in the rain. The music man august To catch the gaslight all about eve all those good old you know those are great. Singing is my wife's favorite movie. I rented a theater for a big birthday for her into. Oh gosh every number is a showstopper. It's absolutely wonderful to watch. I i love this show. Kip stopping know. Assure a metaphorical showstopper paula. The concession stand must've been going crazy when that was in the theater. Did you see it in the theater. Carol yes i'm that old. Debbie reynolds was you know. She was in it and she was. I think nineteen or twenty years old when she made that movie and she was a year older than i am and so I was eighteen. So i saw the movie in the theater. But then we have it here and it's just like a ritual. I watch it every year and holds up so great. It's it's wonderful. I recommend it to anybody who can get it. You know and of course it's a wonderful life with that was stewart's favorite movie and it was frank kaffir favorite movie. Yeah wonderful lot and it bombed when it first came out really. Yep yep and then what happened was it became a cult classic every christmas. And so then it just you know and it caught on but when it first came out it didn't do well at all. I'm a moving forgiving me. Why have a fantastic piece of trivia that my wife tells me almost on an annual basis when we watched the movie with their kids which is while filming the conic singing in the rain number out in the rain. jeanne. Kelly had one hundred and three fever. Yes yes you knew that he did. I've met him years ago and we talked about that. I was at some function that he where he was. And i said that was just the greatest number and he said that he was so sick when they were doing it but he had to do it because it was all set up with the you know the rain and this and that and yeah and so maybe that's why his eyes are kind of shiny and then of course donald o'connor doing make them laugh. I mean he knocked himself out for that one and then when it was finished he had to take two weeks off to rest up really why because he had one hundred and four degree temperature and he was very This is little known trivia. Carol that they might not have told you. Donald o'connor was very jealous of gene. Kelly and so he purposely got himself a higher fever together though he was he was so jealous of gene kelly that after they finished shooting the singing in the rain number. Donald o'connor went out there to the street set and licked every lamppost. Gene kelly tucked. That's that's that's a rumor that might be true. I'm sure and then. Of course the wonderful. Jean hagen who was the billinness in the movie was so fun favorite in the whole thing i. She's like the unsung hero of the film which she was doing. I remember when robert. Mueller wouldn't testify. Wouldn't testify wouldn't testify yes. I was almost certain that when he finally went to testify he was gonna say. I can't stand it. I thought for sure he was just ashamed of his voice. Yes exactly yeah. Like he was he was going to sit down and go. Yeah go he russians. Oh yeah informally honestly. Yeah yeah it. Anytime noted mickey mouse. Yeah you drifted carol. I gotta say. With all due. Respect tom hanks say carol. I hope you are the hundred caller eventually in this contest. Because 'cause what else does one hundred caller win paula. They they went any appliance. They want from roger federer's appliance store and they get to hang out with adam after the game so i'm into that keep calling back and if enough thank you guys. I have to ask my co workers. Did you guys know that. It was carol burnett before she said it was carbonate paula. How are we supposed to guess such things crying. Tony i am crying tony. Hundreds of nays speechless. I'm blown away. I'm like oh my gosh well. That's not quite speechless anymore. Were never we love you care. I wanna thank you so so much for doing this. And i took time out of my busy schedule during the pension. Yeah i had so many other things to do i actually. I'm i'm glad that you put those on the back burner for us. that's really flattering. Thank you. I know the next time i call. It'll be number one hundred. And i just. I think i would like a blender blender yeah browser so just put down. Yeah then i'll call in cal- their damaged appliances so it's a blender that will mic some things but not all. Oh well no. I don't want that something else. We're getting you a damage blender. That's all there is to it. I'll buy you a new blender. Well everybody stay safe. Okay you too and thank you so much for calling talking to you. Ain't you be good. They say insane. Okay you too. Thank you so much. I'm pulling by ear for you Bye bye love you to take care. Okay bye bye bye mike. God that's still amazes me to this day that you got us carol and you know what it's still amazes me. I still might as well. That was fun. Hey nobody's if you have questions or comments or anything like that just send that to us at. Nobody listens to paula. Poundstone gmail.com and paula. You know even though we're on vacation the poundstone machine keeps churning. Do you have any upcoming dates. To plug on september eleventh. I'm going to be in buffalo new york at asbury hall on september twenty fifth. I'll be englewood new jersey at the bergen performing arts center and on september. 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I, I remember the raven nets quite well, and I think they were. I'm going to say Dane, raven nets. It's going to be pain. Good job. You have control of the Ford. So they have kind of this dreamy kind of beautiful harmony sound, but then like really like droning loud kind of my body kind of guitar gone on and on the record. It's just such a relaxing. Listen, I got show up at the show at the crocodile with now. Your plugs are anything. Just thinking it's going to be an ambient. I'm going to be swaying like I've never swayed before getting your happy Mondays on a door, a state of wake sleep. Instead. It is this sonic assault, and I stood in multiple parts of the room and it was insanely loud everywhere. And I had just been led to believe that I would not need to bring production. I'm too old for this sort of thing. You were led to believe that or you just assumed you wouldn't believe by my own MRs. Sumptious. Right. So I'm sure I've heard I've, I've been near a helicopter or a plane or something that was louder or maybe just the silence after a failed joke. That's so loud. I've never actually happened to me, but I've seen it happen to others. So comforted, but you were experiencing what you low notes rather than the shrieking highs loud notes, loud, high pitched notes, like a jet engine, having a very different affect on one then then it's true. I was much more of our kind of a rumble right well, so that rumble affect that low low reverberate pitch that affects you bodily. What was that? I just had a very low low rumbling. I hope that made it onto the microphone that was well timed well place. It was actually our producer check asking about our on boarding call. Really? He's he's concerned, oh, I thought maybe you were sort of playing out our biblical quote for this episode through your own corpus, but that affect that you felt of the low frequency reverberating kind of within your within your body, right? You're not here. It's not loud so much in your ears, although it is that. But also you were feeling it as a as a cresting wave and that physical effect has inspired people over many years to imagine that there's a sound, a low sound, low frequency that at a significant enough volume could actually do damage to the human body. And is this kind of, is there evidence for this or is this kind of magical? Thinking like because there's a tradition in storytelling that there are certain sounds. That will accomplish certain things, whether it's Alibaba, saying, open sesame, or do you know the lost chord the the song by Sir, Arthur Sullivan of governance ullivan. It's about a guy playing on his piano and he suddenly accidentally hits an amazing sound that just transports him mystically, and spiritual. It's, it sounds like a great Ahmen and then he can never recapture that moment of bliss that he found. I feel like that happens every time I sit at the piano tinker around and then it's like I- -ccomplish an amazing amend and then I go to record it and it doesn't sound like an Ahmen, but is it because you don't remember it? No. All had the exact same corden. The men is just not there because I feel like this, which by the way was the hugest hit of the Victorian era. This is uptown funk or the song of the summer eighteen eighty five. This is huge. It's just a song about a forgetful guy and is it in the sheet music the an attempt to create this, this magic true tricky to write the tricky to write the music for a mystical cord. That probably doesn't again talking about gas leading. It's like you're sitting at the piano like, oh, it's coming. It's coming, not happening, not the song will not contain the loss court or wouldn't be lost anymore. But there has been throughout history right? Sound played a role in warfare. You've got the Israelites blasting their trumpets of Jericho. That's right. So the walls actually fall down the walls fall down according to the bible. And are we thinking this is actually some kind of wave former there are there you would know better than I, whether or not the bible was literal truth? What I'm seeing is are there like a and e. specials about the science behind Jericho? No, I think it's generally accepted that it was just some loud trumpet playing that scared, scared people behind the walls. But then warfare has always used every means that their disposal including. Menacing beating of drums, blaring horns, shouting. I mean, there's been a sonnet component that is usually meant to strike fear in the hearts of your enemies. Wonder how recently there were drummer's drummer in every company because that's also kind of a. It's the same as drummer in a band. Everybody knows what to do at what time and drummer could communicate over vast distances and communicate maneuvers right of troops. What if your whole company get slaughtered at Shiloh or whatever? Because the drummer sped up or the drummer started to do something a little funky swing into it and you're like, what am I supposed to do now? But it's true in an era before electron of communication you could only communicate with if you were commander, communicate with large numbers of troops, either through flags or runners or most efficiently through drum guy with a drum practice. I don't understand the fife. I mean, that makes clear why you have the drought sure why you need the second guy with the fife is just the drummer being like this needs something man. Well, there weren't that many instruments that were loud enough to get over the top of a drum. Like if you had a saxophone player, I instrument get clogged dirt, right? A fife is very simple instrument guy like cleaning his read. That weird thing is now trying to get his oboe to like soften-up. You don't have to worry about. I'm brochure when there's bullets whizzing by your head and an acoustic guitar just wouldn't be like. That's antiwar material. Exactly. That's for when you're in a unitarian church. So you're saying the the five is very high, pick? It's high pitched it's loud and the pitch matters ride because drums are typically, I mean, snare drums in particular, pretty high frequency, pitches matter, John all pitches matter. But then based drum very low and low notes travel much further, our resident of greater distance because their way the wave form that they make through the air is a longer fatter wave, and it takes it takes longer to develop an travels further distances. I don't know if I believe your theory about the fight because the fife for five, five is the five hundred communicating anything, or is he going to imagine he could probably be like. It seems like he's just playing jonky tune. Well, when was the last time you went into battle with a revolutionary war era arm. Maybe you need a Johnny tune. Yeah, maybe that's what it takes to get. Men ready. I bet you if you were commanding a large group of troops on a battlefield like that you would use every means at your disposal including the fife. That's right. There were bagpipes, right? No, wrong -absolutely. There've been a piper out on a certain kind of Keltec or pick this battle. Well, I think there were bagpipes even. Bagpipe a still in UK formations. Maybe not in battle, but I think in World War Two, there were still people playing the bagpipes. Isn't there a famous special forces guy who played the bagpipes and fought with a bow and arrow and World War Two. That'll be another omnibus. John Rambo, I think John remember the part in Rambo three where he's got the bagpipes and Afghantistan well, there's that time in Rambo to where he blows up an entire waterfall with one bow and arrow, but no bagpipe no, he did not have a bagpipe. That's rowdy. Roddy piper. You're thinking. They live and can. To do both were sunglasses. No, right. That's Cobra. Okay. Never mind. But the Brown sound Brown Brown's. We've mentioned it here at twelve minutes into the show. This is I'm trying to trying to shore and we can break for lunch. Tighten up our show. We always say around. Does it take to. I think it might be, what am I? I think in singing in the rain. Have you seen singing in the rain? Of course the macguffin of the movie is sound film. They're all silent film actors who have to learn to talk for real right. Like this happen to realize a lot of actors did not make the transition and Gish at turned out had a. I want. Darling, I love you. They'll talk Godfried apparently. So there's a scene where they're all getting vocal training, and I think there's this kind of large woman and she keeps trying to get Jean Hagen shrill voiced romantically to use a wrong sounds. And of course. Sounds. So I think that's why we need to say. Sloane, the role, an art, but I cannot I cannot curl my tongue. And my tongue is a very. I would say inarticulate instrument should be the most articulate. It should part of your body. Right? Well, it's one of the perhaps. One of the reasons that I that I have difficulty with transliteration, different pronunciations. You're not a professional vocalist and broadcast, but you know you as a professional rock vocalist you are not asked to imitate anything else. You can just make your own sounds and people accept them. You can just go. And people go, he's got a really distinctive vocal sound. I feel like there must be rock vocalist who could roll a good are. There are plenty Freddie Mercury. I have something called a geographic tongue, which is. You have a geographic tongue. Geographic tone is a kind of tongue. So your tongue just leaves your mouth and explores the Amazon and the Arctic, it's really wonderful. My tongue has a little pith helmet and it. It's Drake's out no trying to convert the natives to the long winters. Yeah, we ends up with shrunken head on post. That's what happens to every geographic I've ever known what is geographic tongue. It's something called glut Seitis or migratory gloss site is it's just it's a condition where my tongue swells up under different when I eat different foods and it has my tongue has fissures in it. And this is why it's called geographic is your tongue looks like a land form. It does. It has a lot of a lot more surface area than normal person's tongue because it has deep canyons in it and and it's I wanted to Google earth of your tongue. It's a fatter tongue, and it doesn't. I can't curl it or do other little tricks with it, but like I can't guy your tongue. So it's kind of splotch iw. What what would you say that outline of it is supposed to look like? Do you see the the fishers Fisher down the middle on the side? You can't say this, which is your lucky honestly, if I but it's got a light colored spots in the middle island or continent. This splashing, this is part of the condition and it migrates. It's it's a different. I was about to say, what country do you think your your splotches for them? But it's a different splotch everyday? Yeah, my tongue changes, shape and constituency, and it has splotches that come and go on the side like the heavens. Yeah, that's right. That's right. It's I have a Milky Way in my mouth. I love to have my mouth. But this. Really irritated and my tongue. Sometimes we'll swell up to the point that I it's very uncomfortable. I have to stop eating. I have to kind of just wait for it to subside. Can you do this? No, I cannot do that thing where you curl your tongue to. I can't do that. I can't. Have you ever seek? I can't do any. Here's the thing where people can do some weird origami. Double you out. It looks like an orchid Georgia O'Keefe painting or something? No tummy is basically if you took a cowl liver and you cut it a long ways with a knife multiple times, and then I'm with you in my mouth. You lost except sometimes actually because I also have very big nipples, tiny nipples, but I have big. What are the potential tastebuds? Right. Really big, taste buds. They're like, and they will individually get swollen. It's not the greatest, but it's also not the worst. It's just what I've always had. It used to when I was a little kid, it would freak people out, but then I think there are enough people that understand what geographical here, the upsides as I understand it, you freak people out. That's all sometimes have to stop eating. Yep, you cannot roll your ours. Can't roll my RS glee or do any of the cool tongue. Things that people do. That doesn't seem to be a ton upside. I also can't do the like super good dad whistle where you put two fingers in your mouth and go, okay, I can't do that either, but I think it's just like I haven't put my mind to. I feel that I felt like that for a long time until I realized whatever you need to do with your tongue in that situation. I can't do what my dad's dad whistle is, and I think it's a Korean taxi whistle. So he wanted us increase you pinch your Laura, inhale, sharply. So you inhale are the next and it's really shrill Pfeiffer on Lexington and concord or whatever. Like cuts over every crowd in gang them town. And you're trying to get a cab, right? Or if you're my dad at the county fair trying to get his kids trying to wrangle his kids. That's what I want that whistled to do. I want to be able to communicate long this. My sister can do it, and it freaks me out that because she'll gather her kids this way. Right? Because she's got twenty eight children right. And I have nothing like that. No, I have to call them text them basically. That's my taxi whistle. I can do normal whistles pretty loud like I can go. Whistling has some tongue. So you've learned to overcome your handicap well, or. I think it isn't a handicapped when it comes to whistling. That's the life I can do lots of Johnny whistles. I can do whistles that aren't Jonty to can do sinister whistles, but I won't won't do. I would like to hear what you think do. Won't do it on the show. I don't want to scare. The rest of the show should just be, you know, I'm going to continue to talk about the Brown sound, which is a legendary sound. There was speculation that as we have the technology to make extremely loud, extremely low sounds because the range of human hearing is not the range of sonic capability, right? We know that whales communicate over great distances by making low frequency sounds lower than the human ear can perceive. We can hear frequencies between about twenty Hertz and about twenty kilohertz on the spectrum seems pretty good. It's pretty great, but there are thousands of Hertz. There are sounds below twenty Hertz that Wales and. Elephants. Make sounds that infrasonic infrasonic sounds that we, it's one of the reasons or one of the ways we speculate animals can hear before happened or or in the case of the the giant tidal wave that affected southeast Asia, all the animals fled the area, and this is somewhat apocryphal, but but you get very good at predicting bad outcomes that start with a rumble start with the robot. And that's not all bad that things that can many of the bad things that haven't even in my life have not started with a dim distant rumble. That's right. Your first marriage ended, and there was no, there was no rumble associated with it that you could hear, but for a stampede say or at sue NAMI. Hi, I'm Beth Newell from reduction, and I'm Peter mcnerney from the story. Pirates parents comedian and the hosts of we knows parenting. That's true. But here's the thing. If we're being honest, we don't really know that much about parenting. We do have a two and a four year old and we've managed to keep them alive. But seriously, is there a right way to do this? Are you asking me, Peter? I know you don't know the. You don't know the, I got nervous there each week we unpack what we know and don't know about how to raise kids. Well, our kids, we've never met your kids. So really, I don't know what to tell you. You want expert opinions, child, psychology, cool, parenting, hacks. I'm sure there's a show for that each week on our show. We hear our personal parenting triumphs and failure and failures. Failures because we knows parenting is hard. Maybe you can relate. You can find. We knows parenting on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. So the earth is a much better medium for transmitting sound over long distances, them areas you ever. Do you ever use this in your music you ever just amp down to the ground at Stonehenge and just play a rock and solo. There are bands as you mentioned, the raven nets do it, and my bloody Valentine famously, but a lot of the British shoe gaze bands took this as part of their sound, put big, big sub, woofers, onstage, and then make this extremely loud sonic assault as as part of their as part of their show. Sounds that you couldn't protect yourself against with merely earplugs because it was hitting you in the chest. It was affecting how you it's true chest plug. I need one of those things that empires were basically, and this is being transmitted through the air. Like if those sounds were being transmitted through water, for instance, they would be much they would have a much greater effect on you much more violent affect if I had taken the revenue that's and drowned them in quicksand. Well, you both have to be in quicksand. You couldn't just drown them and then stand up above and it wouldn't be the same. You'd feel it in your feet. I laugh, but this is the thing we talk about when the navy does deep water testing of explosives or or sonar, the dolphins hate it in the whales hated the. They hated and they hated at great. It's affecting them at long distances and not just dolphins and whales. Conceivably, all see. Life is used to hearing sounds within a certain range and quite a bit deeper sounds than than we can here with our ears because the medium that the sound is being transmitted and Ken animals. Also higher sounds famously the thing about dogs could hear that little whistle at the end of sergeant Pepper's we even have the phrase dog whistle. Dog whistle is right, which is back in a distant time when we used to have to pretend not to be racist to achieve high office in America. You can. You can set your little dog with loud and only your followers understand what people in the south. No, what I'm saying. Air bar. It's urban problem, but now we don't have to. Now you can just be like it's the Jews basically and a big. I mean, it's not good. All your fans will be like it's awful, but a huge percentage of the country will be like, Yup, thank goodness. Someone is finally say telling it like it is there was a brief period between nineteen eighty nine. And now when you couldn't say that, and now we're back to being able to say good times, but dog whistles were a real thing right? Getting plenty of sounds above twenty kilohertz that a lot of animals can hear the young people can hear higher, sounds people have you heard about this thing where they'll, they'll broadcast, what do you call it? If it's too high, if it's not infrasonic ultrasonic or sonic broadcast ultrasonic sounds outside like convenience stores because the teens will be annoyed by them and leave maybe without even knowing why there is some I heard from a good friend in just last night. As a matter of fact, a friend of mine named Reggie pace who has a band called the no BS brass band was playing here. And Seattle. And he said that young people now are using ultra sonic sound generated by their phones to communicate with each other around grown-ups who can't hear the sound. I heard this. So they'll be sitting in class and they'll send little. To each other, and everybody will get it and they'll know Morse code. I mean, who knows? I can't hear it. I mean, the dress looks like it's golden white to me. I don't even know what this blue and black dress looks like. So that is true. But there's another phenomenon, a phenomenon called the home, which is in certain situations, like in there was a Bristol. There was a famous home house that people reported making them feel extremely uncomfortable. It was affecting their sleep it. It was causing irritation. They could hear this hum that was imperceptible to most people and could not be detected with instruments. Do you have any if it was high end or low end or well, so most of the time a low end sound this was more it was more frequently perceived by middle aged people. Young people could very rarely could hear it elderly people. Also it was mostly people in their forties that complained about the hum. Well, we've. About mass Steria on this show before we were talking about dancing entry about dancing, many, is it possible that that's one of the one of the one of the explanations is potentially that it's just mass hysteria, you know, the the human ear generates its own tone. Sometimes I hear tones all the time. What's going on in there just will happen for awhile her non. It's something that you're is doing within itself. Just some vibration that causes a tone. You're like, oh, what is that about? But those tend to be kinda mid range tones. My first exposure to infra is getting you off on a because I've heard about this thing about low sound, causing anxiety. They'll put it in movie scores or whatever, while and this is a, this is a very real thing. There was a a paranormal researcher by the name of victims handy who was in a laboratory and reported feeling. He saw out of the corner of his eye, a ghost and when he turned to look at, it was gone, but he felt a tremendous. Sense of supernatural unease and he because he was a researcher, he paranormal researcher doing a laboratory. You know, this guy was in his Dan, which is his laboratory, and that's why like, what are you doing out in the garage? Again, I told you to do that dishes waiting those Stella d'oro breakfast treats. No, it was as a laboratory and the next day after feeling this ghostly presence, he was working on his fencing foil within his laboratory. He was fixing his foil, his very well-stocked, paranormal advertised guy. I mean, you don't know what a paranormal researcher is going to be up to. I know you walk around your neighborhood swinging at goes with a sword, so apparently did you get it from the Scott? No, no. We were independently researching the paranormal. This covered the best way to do it with a fencing foil. Well, he don't use pay. He had his pay in a clamp and the the blades started vibrating violently and rather than suspected that it was a ghostly presence. This paranormal researcher used science kicked out of the club and determined that there was a fan within the building that was vibrate. Eating at eighteen or or very close to nineteen kilohertz arms are very close to nineteen hurts is the bottom end right? And it was creating this low oscillated that vibrated his sword, but that he was feeling bodily and he realized that a lot of the time though or rather that that low low notes like that and and vibrating at a certain oscillation can create a feeling of disease or unease within a person that is very close to the feeling of having a supernatural experience. It will like the human. I will start to vibrate and give you the appearance of cloudy forms in your periphery because the actually get visuals. You get visual hallucinations because the is vibrating at this sort of hallucinate, Tori oscillation. But also the effect within the body is one of not just like intestinal unease, but. Actually, it conveys a presence, an unearthly and ominous presence. I so I came across this as a kid and I thought it was made up. I was reading these kids, mystery novels kinda like like Hardie Boys, but a little better encyclopedia Brown. Yeah, it's about that era. The three investigators, I remember them. I didn't read them their three kids from southern California, and they're better. They're written by the gimmick is that Alfred Hitchcock is their benefactor. The real director, Alfred Hitchcock is interested in these kids and helps present their cases. I'm how. Which he's a fictionalized Hitchcock doesn't even make sense. Of course, as long as a Hollywood director is helping me and my middle school friends publicize our little mystery adventures. What's he doing? If you were going to have a newsletter, we're going to have a corpulent benefactor. Why not have Winston Churchill sure or get a newspaper editor are right arse. Right? Somebody writing for the daily planet anyway, but their ideas that having Hitchcock on their side is very big for these kids who live in a fictional suburb and in their very and it was written. I think by some of these pulp writers that worked for Hitchcock's mystery magazines. So they're very well written for the kind of they're super popular in Germany to this day, even though their out of print in the us anyway. The very first book is kind of a haunted house that they're determined to debunk, but they can't even get close to it because every time they go in this place, they feel this intense sense of rising panic that they can't point to any reason for and the solution to the mystery. And this is in the early sixties. I think turns out to be somebody is blaring. Which was lower in for sound at the kids. So this was a known paranormal thing in children's literature in the sixties apparently. And there's a lot of speculation that haunting and a lot of these things can be explained by the presence of most cases unwitting presence of low oscillating sounds because we have factories that are emitting these low low tones and quite a few of these hums like there were some hums in Windsor, Canada that it kind of was revealed. We're coming from factories in Detroit, big mechanical processes that were that were vibrating. The Canadians were so happy that they can blame America. Oh, yeah. Well, in the acid rain to there was one famously here in west Seattle, the west Seattle home. I can see why they would call it that. Yeah, I guess it stands to reason. No, actually the west Seattle home is from Pasadena, California. That's just saying, well, the west Seattle home, it. It turned out was a fish mating call what kind of fish. There's a fish called the midshipman fish, which lives in the mud and has a lot of little numbers on its back that looked like the like your tongue. No. Well, like my tongue, but also the brass buttons on the front of a midshipman tuning. The midshipman fish being very unusual fish. There are female, midshipman fish women, and then there are two Kant, two entirely different kinds of male. Midshipman flies that weird, John genders a spectrum. It's not weird, but it is. It's unusual in that they the two types male one and male to use entirely different strategies stratagem for attracting a meat midshipmen, male fish type. One are eight times larger than male midshipman type twos, mill Shipman, male, mid. Shipman fish type twos have genitalia, which are eight times larger than male midshipman fish type ones. So there are three sexes are female grower and shore. This is not too different that this is true if you've ever been in a locker room that there are two types of male midshipman fish there, but it turned out that they were down in the mud going. The big guy are. That was reverberating and bothering people in west Seattle. I feel like people need to be more accepting like we're good progressives here. If the Fisher getting up to all kinds of shenanigans of mud, we just need to be like, well, it's not hurting me. It seems like they're consenting mid-ship men and women. Most of the old school progressives of west Seattle or starting to move to Buren, and they're being replaced with much more accepting west Seattle lights who maybe not coincidentally are making a lot more money to if the, if the is supposed to explain haunted houses and whatnot. Here's my question John. How do you explain slammer. Well is very problematic. So I try not to explain what kind of vibration is going to make me see slime. Is a ghostly apparition. You know, you're, you're adding on your own anxieties to the vibrating clouds that you see on the on. The periphery of there is no frequency that pretty slime slammer is in youth. Yes, I'm afraid I was the real slime Raleigh. You the slime or you want to be like a fat green old man. A fat green was inside of me as well there. There is a lot of evidence that sound can be not just create discomfort, but can be actually damaging there have been experiments as you can imagine. We are. We're often talking about scientists taking rats and really punishing them taking them to rate on that shows if you broadcast super loud sound at mice between the frequencies of seven hundred kilohertz all the way up to three point, six megahertz. Explode. It does tremendous actual physical damage to their intestines, and this is specifically the intestine. That's interesting. Well, resonant. Part of me vibrates in laugh. Laughed like a bowl, full of jelly within the core of your body. You know your that is the place at which you are the most liquid, right? Your your testicles. Stomach area is where you know where you are the most because of the stuff I'm digesting. There's hardly any bone there. You're just supported on on several bags of glue, p- and glop. I'm getting to the point where I don't need a sound cannon, like just getting out of a car. I will start at two jig parts of my midsection. And so that is somewhat behind the idea that you could with sufficient power sufficient sort of electrical power because you'd need quite a bit of it to generate a sound this loud and this low that you could create a sound called the Brown sound, which would penetrate the human body and cause you to involuntarily defecate. This is why it's called Brown, just because poop is Brown. Well, Brown sound has been used to describe these kind of low sounds because they just if you're going to put a color spectrum to sound, if you are a cynic Thete. Just seem Browner than it's not really like a pink, sound right? It just feels darker and deeper and earthier aren't things like pink sound actually terms of art, like I have a, I have a white noise app on my phone is white noise which I like white means. It's all the frequencies equally. Or a certain range of frequency, but all at the same volume. But then the app could also shape that sound into a pinker. Two different would be called ping noise and it would sound a little warmer and there was even brow. Choose Brown noise. I mean, I don't know what bunch of sinister got together and decided the sounds wait pink, man, but it's the way we describe all sound. You say, you know, you want to warm it up and warm, suggests yellows and adding adding qualities. If you if you buy lights at the supermarket or at the drugstore wherever you buy lights, I have no idea where people by lights you really, you really, you're in a real crisis now about not knowing where people feel like George Bush the first who has never been to a grocery store. I'm just like you by lights at the light store. I don't know. I mean, I guess your mom's still change your life them at Costco. I guess I was. I was at Lowe's. I was hesitating to to use a brand name yet to use those press. What of Sam's Club wants the sponsor. The show club to give me my light bulbs, but you buy them on a spectrum of light from cold to warm, right? Those are colors. So color describe light, but I'm okay with that because I actually made of colors. Right. Sound not so much the same. Like higher frequency sound, we think of as bright. Is this a musician thing? I've heard people say they want to brighten the tones. So like symbols are very bright and low drums and low sounds we we call dull, I guess, do people use colors. They do -absolutely you know, they say, well, think about the blues. We talk about color in music a lot, and it's a and it's not just sinister. It's a motion to it is. Absolutely. You can feel blue. You can see red color is one of the number one ways we used to describe things. I don't know. I'm an eerie and I'm Laurin Volvo bomb, and we have some exciting news for you are show food stuff. 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And the aforementioned beer, booze new episodes will be coming out as they always have Wednesday and Friday on apple podcasts. When I looked Brown sound because you said you wanted to tell the future about it. The first thing I found was Eddie van Halen using it as a word for guitar tone that he aspired to. That was not harsh. I don't know understand which which amp or which humbug or whatever. But for somehow it gives it a warm tone that to him, felt Brown. When Eddie van Halen, I arrived on the scene in the nineteen seventies and people were curious about his tone because he had a very distinctive distortion. He described it as the Brown sound, which was a combination of Marshall amps and a certain Demarsy, oh pickup. It's not playing technique at all. Well, he says that the Brown. So as time's gone on Eddie van Halen has his sense of what the Brown sound is has evolved. So he recognizes that his playing style contributes to the Brownstone, but it's also become kind of elusive aspiration on his part. It's the, it's funny that it's his Rosebud. He's always searching for the Brown sound Connecticut's. It's like the lost chord. Yeah, you can never quite find it there. It is the perfect Brown sound. He can't quite get it. Dreams of it? Yeah, he likes his Eminem's green and his sound sound Brown. I don't understand why you would choose Brown. Well, a dull, it's a well. It's a kind of color that fades and within rock and roll. There's an interesting effect, which is that sometimes very Tripoli tones end up communicating kind of deep and full sound, and it's partly because in a rock band, you've got bass drum and the bass guitar holding down these low frequencies and really like the best guitar. Tones are often incredibly tribally, Brian May's guitar. Tone famously trebling. But when he hits those big, thick chords, it doesn't feel. It feels very resonant and dark and Qatar, players are often making the mistake of trying to make a dark sound by taking the treble away. When in fact, it's a little bit counterintuitive intuitive that you actually turn the trouble up to accomplish the effect of dark tone. It feels like the problem is that the tar style that they're playing the most masculine phallic instrument at all. You know, they're, they're jutting it out at you and actually Ziglar redo the most masculine of all instruments. Okay. The second masculine rock. Instant. It's not a lot of rock didgeridoo although you do the digital do in your mouth. So it's like it's a different experience of masculinity. Then the tar which is at your waist equally valid. If you know if you went to certain depending on which boardings. Wove, right? But this instrument to them connotes masculine actually. Does this. A high pitched sound that could even be harsher squeaky, right, right. So that what they want is something that conveys the muscular nature of the art to them and the fact that the sound is not the most masculine sound in the band? Well, it depends. If you think of high sounds as being pink and low sounds as being black. Yeah, I guess blow sounds being blue, I guess if you are, it's mostly somebody with a really conventional sense of color associated with gender. I guess it's more like men having lower pitched voices, right? Less less of what they what colored diapers and super-duper death metal or heavy heavy metal. Now they use seven string guitars. They tune their guitars down a full step or more to to actually create much lower sounded because Satan has asked them to. Satan didn't just ask Ken to see commanding doesn't ask he doesn't. He doesn't send a memo phen- just says he didn't snaps his fingers. He doesn't do an on boarding call. No afraid. Not fame just posts his theses on the on the door of the church and everybody gets in line. I am displeased that your harsh high pitched guitar tone. The management. Distract you. This, the Brown sound in your bowels has little to do with what he is trying to accomplish. So I don't think that Eddie when he when he described his tone as Brown sound, doesn't want teenage heroes out there. Defecating at the show know zone think he was. He was maybe not conscious of the Brown know which was something that the that the military actually did. Several experiments are spent quite a bit of time trying to find this note. And I've always said that if I were to be a superhero within the marvel canon that maybe the most effective weapon you could have as a superhero would be the power to make your opponent involuntarily defecate because even fighting superman, someone who has all of the power in the world, if you made him poop his drawers, he's going to stop fighting for a little while and go clean up. But here's what you're saying. You're saying it's a super villains power. Yes, it's totally useless for a superhero. Because if you make well, no, if you made Dr. Ach, if you made doc, ock poop is pants. He's going to stop doing his villainy for he's a sociopath. He doesn't care. He's going to be like, he cares like, I'm going to keep, you know. Rank rending Spiderman. She's not robbing banks, robbing banks. Bent on the destruction of some kind and he's like, I can work on world domination while I smell like poop care. Maybe the joker would keep on keeping on villainy if he'd pooped. But most people even the even the worst deadliest super villains are going to say, I mean, imagine magneto like being forced to poop. He's going to say like hold everything. Let me go like I've gotta go change my tunic. See, this is where you're wrong night need has been in the camps. He's been through. He's seen the worst of what humanity has to offer it in the literal. You're right. And he still has this crystal clear vision that he's gonna -ccomplish at all costs mutant superiority. And it's not at all costs if my tunic has no poop on it, I don't. I don't think that we can really know. But I think that if you think about the, the marvel universe or superheroes in general, you never see them in the potty. It's always it's always assume. But some of these TV show or nobody even has a bathroom. Yeah, some of these, some of these superheroes have incredible powers, but does that extend to their defecation? What do superman hoops look like? I mean, are they little like titanium balls is hard as you want? Because he also has a Colin of steel right to expel it with. So perhaps perhaps his the way he would counteract my my Brown sound powers would be to just make his poops into diamonds. So he's like involuntarily filling his pants with your fist, but never with intern. A lot of the other superheroes are wearing full body tight. That's the thing going to the bathroom is not just. It's going to be very time consuming, right? You don't see a little but flap on those things because how much doc would make fun of imagine how painful it would be to poop diamonds? I guess they would be uncut diamonds, right? So they're rounded, doesn't care. Nobody who can poop. Diamonds has a regular size, get torn up. I wonder if his finger is so strong that it could actually cut diamonds as he's pooping them like cut them like the way jeweler would cut them like jeweler, so he could have a request. You could be like, I want Bevill cutter, I want. I want the crown of India or whatever he takes requests, but in recent years, although the Brown sound spoiler alert is this possible. That's what I wanted to Brown sound through. All the research has never, no one has ever accomplished a Brown note. It is the lost chord. That's right. The television show starring friend Adam, Savage, the Mythbusters TV show actually did an entire episode where they got some of the top off. Audio engineers in the world to build an enclosure that could create create. These sounds down at five hurts and they positioned Adam in the in the middle of a semicircle of these super sub woofers and blasted him with sound. And although it has to be Adam because the other guy would never do know Jamie was guys no fun though. He's not going to be the one that gets blasted Adams against sport. He's the one that blasts, but but Adam reported that he felt incredible discomfort and he felt his lungs vibrating, and he felt his whole body having this experience that I've had it in my bloody Valentine concert, which is just like, I cannot escape the sound. And in fact, there is some suggestion that sonic waves at these frequencies create so much disorientation that you can no longer move to get out of the way of them. But at Adam reported that despite all of this, he did not feel either the need to defecate nor did it happen in voluntarily. And so they, they decided that the Brown note was a busted myth. It's funny to me that this is a failure. Sounds like what you're saying is effectively invented a paralysis Ray if it's that people can't move. But so they've made something really a terrible twisted sick weapon a paralysis, and they're just bummed that you don't also poop. Well, what what we really wanted was for them to poop. What happened in all these experiments is that they did create sonic weapons. They're not at low frequencies, they're at high frequencies. A company called Elrod has built a sound cannon, which was actually used during the Ferguson riots in Missouri are easing the new stuff domestically, I, yeah. Well, it's always good. So no, they've been Elrod cannon. Have been used in Faluji as a beam weapon. Basically, you can target the beam of sound. There were there was a lot of different sonic warfare used in Iraq. Some of it was just really high high volume insults the l. red cannon can be used to communicate. Actually, audible sound at great distances, high volume insults, like they would actually be like it'd be insulting their family, no insults like your mother is a dog, but blasted at great volume. Remember when they had Noriega in the in the embassy and eighty nine or whatever. And they were playing like heavy metal. They're playing, they actually played the doors at Noriega. I think that might have been what caused him to surrender. Eventually, it looks like this is they were choosing playlists that had puns like I fought the law by clash. The lyrical content is supposed to make Noriega give up like, oh, what a sick burn? Well, this is. How fun the US army was in nineteen eighty nine. By the time of the the Iraq war they lost all that sense of humor and they were just like your mother is a kennel. Yeah. Your mother is a camel. It's not fun anymore. During Vietnam, they used loudspeakers to broadcast both insults and also kind of like give up. There's no chance you can win famously in pockets. Now they played ride of the Valkyries as they were storming in, they would've played the doors, but people really just been grooving on too much would have been just like, oh, the doors or in every Vietnam movie. But now the Elrod company or corporation has we have now the power to generate tremendously loud noises so loud that they caused this paralysis. They cause ear damage. They cause and is supposed to be a certain kind of the idea that this is like non, whatever you call it on lethal that it's like it's like spring protesters hoses. You get people to stand down without actually do anything or these now awful. The affectively we are super villains. Well, it's like tasers or or beanbag shot that the the police are claiming that they're nonlethal and that it's just it's just crowd control, but they are in fact very damaging burst people's eardrums. You can in some cases caused brain damage. The brain is so affected by this beam. It vibrate so much that it creates a kind of like. Frontal lobe. Damage could be worse in way than lots of conventional warfare. It can. There's there's a famous incident in two thousand five. There was a cruise ship called the seaborne spirit, which was sailing off the coast of Somalia during the heyday of the Somalian pirate and the pirates were attacking the seaborne spirit and firing actual like shoulder, fired rockets at it. A cruise ship a cruise ship. Why? Why are they cruise? Well, they were. They were headed to the Seychelles Madagascar. It was an exotic crews, not one of these ones that just goes around Jamaica and they had an Elrod sound cannon on board. These cannons can fire up to one hundred sixty two decibels, which is audible over over miles open ocean. Is there any way you can help me? So one hundred one t. decibels Jenner one hundred twenty decibels is the most or rather it's the level at human. Hearing where you start to sustain damage. Most rock shows try to keep it at about ninety decibels. But decibels, they damage your ear more. The longer you hear them at a constant state like you can hear peaks a balloon popping is louder than an airplane taking off. It's just that it's only for a second. It's only for a second. And so those peaks don't do the sustained damage that that notes at high decibels for long periods of time. One hundred sixty. Is like fireworks at three feet fireworks at three, which is not where you want to be at us at like bar, just a constant sound, and actually the seaborne spirit was able to repel the pirates by focusing this sonic beam on them. And more more recently than that, there was kind of famous incident in Cuba where the staff of the US embassy there reported feeling great discomfort, the they had headaches. They were feeling disoriented. Some of them actually measurably sustained brain damage, and there were a lot of accusations that it was the Cuban government using sonic weapons against the staff of the US embassy. This proved happened in China to well, just recently studies have shown or studies have speculated that what was happening. The US embassy was actually kind of like Vic Tandy discovered. There were instruments making subsonic vibrations, but in different places within within the region, right. You could have a, you could have an off leading fan or you could have a piece of electronic communication equipment that we're making sounds. But the sounds combined with one another would create a sympathetic resonance or a standing sound wave where you can. This is how noise cancelling headphones or noise cancelling technology works. The noise cancelling headphones will have a microphone. That detects the noise that is bothersome, and then it will create the opposite way. Opposite wave that will cancel out the other wave and create. Silence. But if waves are not directly opposite like that are are clashing waves, they can combine to form a third sound or or or resonances across a whole court, a whole spectrum of sounds. And so sound unnatural. Sounds potentially were being made in the US embassy by a broken fan over here, and maybe somebody was using subsonic communication over here. One of those floor polishing things. That's right. Some some whale was farting. There were some some midshipmen's midshipman fish. The the big ones were resonating in this mall, commie scheme. They were vibrating their genitalia. So and this has happened in China to the government of Cuba and China, both the vociferiously denied that they were engaged in this sonic were way to denies. That's how you would do it. If I were going to do, you'd be frus her well in that vociferating would. Actually potentially contribute to the sine wave that was causing the discomfort in the first place. And that concludes, but around sound entry one, five, eight dot Mt. One, five one, seven certificate number four, two, nine, six, four. In the omnibus you can chew try to choose to contact us through various kinds of standing wave. Kind of seismic activity. We're not teens, so we can't hear the little the little buzzing vibrations in the muddy hall and send us some. It's gotta come through the ground. Oh yeah. It's like the things that are talking to the whales and Star Trek. That's right. If you can manage that, you could communicate with us possibly across time. 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"<music> income and we are back with an all new keep it. We're joined once again by misread. Cheney has been too long. Mysteriously re is in our lives every day. It's been a while constant <hes> of my voice around. She appeared on keep it spinoff. Love it or leave it. Yes yes sir yes yes. The falcons crest also this. I want to tell you this morning we i. I was stirred awake. You don't start easily says happened louis for towel set via taxed. <hes> arrives arrives like eleven minutes before my alarm and so i was like why is this wipers enticingly this morning i was like louis can't come today because like something's happening and it just said tardy said excuse me and said tony tony morrison toni collette. I'm just really right now while in her shoes <hes> tony morrison left this plane she has she he was always better than those plane but she passed away this morning and it was it was just it was eerie because i literally want it to reread jazz jazz this week so i bought it yesterday and was really good. It's so it's so crazy watching all the tributes to her on twitter what she would have accord which title enjoy but rulli rulli off all tribute just like there was a new york post new york times thing said she wrote about racial identity and someone had to quit with schumer human identity now she wrote about black people but it was very very clear very clear from the perspective of of centering on black lives but i was lucky to meet her in the rain one wow oh my gosh gashi came to <hes> my college of biblical moment it really could waiting near her car and she was slowly walked out under umbrellas and ahead of clutching reaching my copy of beloved and prepared and i was like miss morrison. Would you please sign this book. It changed my life. I read in school and her response was who you made. You read this in high school suspicion who like my high school teacher. I think he thought it was important. Something in this was important please. He's don't notice them up speaking because i want to sound like an adult and she signed it and she said a good luck baby in the car. I like how it is. <hes> <hes> right next to my patty lapoma okay okay sam just keeping on mcqueen's together beautiful you know i didn't not read tony tally morrison in high school. Well you went to. I'm guessing mostly caucasian environment. I went to an all boys <hes> white catholic private high school. I can't believe they weren't fucking with tony wars and they made me read. No i actually had a teacher who was very interested in making me now by women. It's who different years he had me read invisible man. I really can't do that with that book anymore but i was always a fan of james baldwin and because he's he's like my favorite writer and i remember just how much tony loved him and seeing her. I read this morning her eulogy for him <hes> on that she had written and it just reminded me of how much she was like. He made her think about the words he wanted to use and just like she loved his writing so much. Eh feel like i read his writing. I and then later i came to tony is work and i still have a bunch of still need to read the pulitzer in reading her of the pleasure. Does your of that deep intellect. It was like a depth that felt like a breeze you know it was just the opposite of pretentious you just would fall into do it again and again and by the way she was the first african american woman to win the nobel prize. She deserved the nobel prize anyway. I hang friends with brand liebowitz that laws prickly a friendship <unk> at her nobel peace prize <hes> speech to is just so gorgeous by that's the thing about her to her writing like a conversation with her like everyone's wants to sharing clips from interviews and one of the great interviewees. I mean just truly who whomever is talking to her. Even charlie rose charlie rose interviews are not worth revisiting. Yeah i will say i re watched the interview with tony morrison and trailers this morning and the patients she has with the smug white man shows like a certain doc level of assuredness in her in her position her place in the history of writing. I think she really respected but brats. She loved faulkner. She loved all of these writers that are affected the way she looks at herself and then reflected back at weakest charlie rose and say why can't you see your privilege in that question in your in your refusal to notice that your need to center white stories is a type of the interview recalling the one where he is like like <hes> and you don't want to be known as a black writer. It's the one that's saying <hes>. She's gonna leave me out of racism me out of it and it starts with you know. Are you ever going to write about anything other than race and ends with charlie. Do not understand the problem in that question that you're assuming that because i'm writing about black lives that's about that race. That's just centering our stories and he he looks appropriately shock <hes> but not enough obviously because of all touching he was almost an hour longer with that was not used to the discomfort of women apparently <hes> <hes> yeah. I'm just a i wish there. Were more to really say. I'm sure we'll still talking about her for for weeks. Also it's just in way it. I mean is talking about her. On this show i mean we're talking about her forever bio. Yes it sucks that like bring a spotlight in a certain way because it's just she just was peerless in so many ways near and <hes> we should be having this conversation once every couple months anyway but like what she said about bob with you now like his death really sort of just invited had it more contemplation and i think that's what hers. Does you know. There's a documentary. That's out about tony right now. It's called the pieces i am. <hes> and i really do love how it highlights miss oprah because i feel like that was what i'm talking about. I discover her tony later. Then i discovered like baldwin and other black authors in high school <hes> a large part of it you know was just due to miss win for oprah. You know really highlighting. Tony's what he's work. You know the idea that she had this book club that these white suburban moms were just eaten up and then she was like here's the bluest there is something amazing if you if you think back on the oprah show and the mike the nineties and watching these like little white ladies in the audience clutching their box because the authors could be there in on one side financially <hes> benefiting from this exposure but also like tony morrison being. I'm glad you guys are reading this. That's all. I got like it's amazing but yeah over did bring so many different types of voices to the american space. It's so interesting tony. I just feel like ripples through a lot of we'll be talking about today. We are going to be having a conversation chan so excited with kathleen turner guys. Can you believe at this point. I'm almost exhausted by legends need to stop road. Come on the show rita or i was reading one of kathleen's books last night on kathleen turner on acting and i just remember remember she's talking so much about how she picks her characters and knows how to play them by the language and you know how the screenwriter is writing them and so you i feel like we're an important sure. Take and it'll be nice talking to someone who understands that cares about yes from body ready he onward. I mean just the play is so unbelieving. I mentioned this to lose this weekend that i believe the entire silk shirts address industry billions of dollars beyond that just her dedication to be craft of acting rather the performance of being a movie star is quite amazing. Yes and speaking of the performance of movie stars we will be talking about the fast and furious presents hobson shot yeah ah to the story and the mess going on behind the scenes there <hes> and then we will also be talking about uh comma harris getting into it with tommy learn and everyone and everyone common versus the world right now so so grab your handcuffs. Keep listening to keep it and we'll be right back last week. Were the second democrat debate. Some we've been a second set. I know right and <hes> the name on everybody's lips was rose carmela well specifically tolsey who first of all of course the basic elementary non-political person of isn't it crazy how young she is and then i thought why the hell aren't you running. Why is this happening that i have to look at you and be like well. She looks like olivia munn. Well le'veon's actually older than her and now i'm interested in you as a human being. I have a small lizard brain well if you read the new york magazine profil tulsa which was frightening almost as frightening as her history with l._g._b._t._q. Rights commonly explained that she just hated us a lot. Yeah you know her. Father is the one who ran a live from marriage and stop promoting homosexuality which is set name group group. I'm a part of stop promoting homosexuality saying and and that one promoted conversion therapy as we all know works. She did her stance on those in the early twenty tens <hes> and said she regrets the position she took in the past and she regrets you know having opposed same sex civil unions and oppose efforts to combat gay bullying playing all of this is to say it was very surreal knowing what we know about tulsi and seeing seeing sort of social media erupt into this yes queen moment of tulsi because she was dragging kamla harris and it's like you know two things can be right at once and maybe if you're tweeting about the debate and a candidate read something about them i well. That's not how twitter works. The interesting part of watching matt <hes> exchange wasn't the fact that comma and her team have been remiss to not come up with answers on those issues needs to come. She needs to articulate her <hes> evolution on or her role in some pretty fucking atrocities towards inmates in her prosecutorial record particularly little kim it is interesting that tulsi is dragging her on pass <hes> acts when she's she is also been horrible groups of people and also <hes> made disastrous choices as an adult so the fact that twitter refuses it is to deal with the incr- intricacies of hypocrisy and culpability because those words have too many syllables is really frustrating was really frustrating to me the whole time it was a lot of communism car called melas this and that and then me tweeting about this is what tells he's been up to do. A lot of people will be like no. Thanks for sharing bitch attention for one second police in the words of teresa giudice. Well also also by the way i i mean i think the tells the conversation was dwarf. Somewhat by the marianne williamson horoscope that she threw out there another woman hub that social media would love to stand and i will admit i love a good marianne williamson joke did not go as far as some friends suggested we meet her at the third debate so we can have the fun and the gorie of my no doubt. We've had our fun and they're yes. She is a good looking looking white woman who has been booze old millions into her to be indoctrinated into her philosophy breath bantu camp. I mean always show <music> out once again that fundraiser once upon a time. It was miss oprah winfrey now there. She is had big names. Follow her in <hes>. There's nothing saying that <hes> lovers of scabs lavar than the ability i remember the ability to pull people in to their world and believing what they're saying hang my problem with that is i just don't have time for that right now. I liked the jokes. I get at lake. Mary wilson was a small little boy. Reporter came up to her with his tie on and asked her if she had a pet and he's she said i had a cat and it is dead. I i understand i get it but in <hes> in a field of one candidates still yes. We're still a what fifteen months out i. I don't feel the need to just be like yes. Queen talk about talk about crystals. You had one good opinion. Yes reparations is something that needs to be talked about but the rest of her her <hes> opinions weren't they were just that they had no policy behind them and my question is and how sleigh is good. You did the reading yes reparations but what about having a good point i mean half of twitter has a good point the president the lowest possible that you could have a correct answer to a question exactly and it's it was a lot of light. I'll fix this with love. We ever sick care problem not a healthcare problem. I've heard soundbites before. I've watched the west wing. I don't really need this type of discourse because we've seen how easily <hes> the population ovulation gets distracted glitter cheeto glitter last time in this time it will be you know a rose courts from the goop pop up store which is in in in in the words of like twitter discourse right. I feel like marianne williamson is definitely a faith and not a re tweet. I will actually say though that digging into marietta and she's not into the crystals and you know the like astrology and stuff which actually was a big turnoff. These are just jokes is that people are making those like. I can't even connect to her on a astrology level. She doesn't have crystals. She doesn't have a cow site next to her bed. I can't rock with her. Yes i can't add her on costa well also but she's very energy oriented so i love the crystals jasmine from from season for a paint store for people who get that by the way no one is more obsessed with angels than marianne williams invokes the image of angels all the time and i just want to say it's a stupid but image. I hate angels who invented them. Okay carol card reader actually did tell me that the angels are watching me and i need to be more. You should be watching what you're doing. Ah calmed down a bit on that louis. We'll see in the saint. Louis was mentioning. She does evoke energy the her dangerous rhetoric rhetoric about mental mental illness has often meant she always talking about while you're just you're allowing the darkness to happen. There is illness is the physical manifestation of your second. Screams is something that has been one of her books so she is living in the fringe. Skepticism chasm that is through the population and since she was one of the most researched candidates after this election is really frightful that people who are already already susceptible to well you know russia did that and and vaccines are going to kill my babies and all that on growing population are going to also say well well. Marianne williamson said that like maybe mental health is a fallacy and <hes> all antidepressants are just going to hurt us further and those are the people people who are most vulnerable i just i don't find <hes> preying on vulnerability right and it's an online with talking about <hes> you know there's always the thing she's not anti science. She just wants you to also take your medicine also be in your power. Your energy etc and i'm like that's a conversation that we can <music> have but not on the debate and we can. We do it on the chew rate. Can we can. We talk about that stuff. They're can we talk about it like over over drink somewhere else when she's not running for president so many of the people i know who do support. Some of them are like well no. She obviously shouldn't be president president but then i'm like well. So why shouldn't she be president and they don't really have the exact answer because to answer that would be to rip out that foundation of maybe i don't think that she would be good for the country as a ruler as a president wiler and why do you think he's running at any rate. Pension is the attention you know and speaking of attention during the debates that blonde demanded and this third dry bar receptionist and i like driver so i'm sorry excuse excuse me. Can i please skip you in line at pinera because i'm running late for a nail appointment hatha <hes> we're talking about tommy larry. We were going to keep going yeah. We're waiting for you to describe. I'm still at the same place. I always was with her. Which is awesome twins movie villain new york minute more like a new york. I'm gonna kill you to not clever lever but confidence has taught us on this podcast. That's right that's right and marianne does the same thing okay but tommy <hes> during the debates had a horrendous <hes> tweet which is as per usual with her tweets. She tweeted comrades camera. Did you fight for ideals or did you sleep your way to the top with willie brown. Kinda say it. It's still trips a wire my brain. I'm still always surprised by this by how much of conservative twitter just sounds like bad comedians like somebody somebody who's getting around the ability to tell a joke and instead going for things that sound like making a point like cruelty more <hes> you know broad generalizations or things like this that aren't it's funny but have the cadence of joke in them. You know it's like that's not the same thing as making a point. You're just avoiding doing something well which would have been making us laugh pillow talk. Well didn't didn't rock hudson die of doing standup shor-short. Yes there yeah that would have required. I heard of any sort of reference of history at any rate. She also double down later tweeted. I didn't make this willie brown admitted it the truth hearts mistreat her. Sorry document i mean it is going higher on the billboard charts lizards doing that. I'm trying to diversify find my palate ma. I think it's you know beyond the mechanism of trying to get the cosign of this accomplished senators ex ex from twenty five years ago <hes> it is there on the one hand. This is going to happen marlton. We're gonna have a more powerful women. <hes> who have been ambitious and having driven their careers who have complicated personal history is in the spotlight and they're going to be a series of ross brand bettys like trying to drag them for their choices. A consensual choices not the illegal violence ones of many of the men that have have had torrid torrid sexual pass and on the i actually applauded on one hand because i want to see women with different paths. Get to power bring those type of experiences <hes> to the forefront on the other hand. It is slut shaming wrapped up in like a fucking news alert from five five years ago and come on mealy said yes. I was with him a thousand years ago and he has no <hes> his no bearing on the subject. I did this myself off. She did all of it herself. All of the things that we don't necessarily approve of do not support are keeping her in a task to resolve and she got herself. She locked up those people herself south speaking of that with a wildest things i discovered this was that kamla harris was in the little the b._t. Reality series countdown to lock down as a talking head talking about how what year was this. This was two thousand five tactics and she says we need to really take a hard line on these things we can't beat glorifying the gangster lifestyle while which is inclined b._t. Which is so funny at why kamla needs to in the future get ahead of so many any of these things people have questions about including her record including just things where it seems. She's faking the funk too much because since you were just on the breakfast club upsetting to park was your favorite rapper yeah so let's talk about a gig style is also the idea of implying that little kim was any kind of gigs is insane to me means talking about fuck right without can disappear in her. She's our from tootsie. Roll commercial gangster intellectually curious. Our of what's actually really funny too about this timing layer and thing is she. He continues to try and be this provocateur ca. She was trying to tweet like trump like trump could have gotten away with that. He's busy always doing this kind of shit to people right. She did it and quickly got dragged by all the women who work at fox news with her britt mchenry. <hes> <hes> who is useless but came out against her and digital fox had a meteorologist at is very shocking. Yes janice osteen was like if a male contributor tweeted this they would probably be suspended with a trip to h._r. Pretty disgusting tommy which i don't know if american tributary fox news would have been suspended and had to go to h._r. Now they would have been like oh. Willie brown says he has a receipt and another man even though he's black said it so let's cool with also though i'm sick of fox news people standing up against sexism suddenly right. It's so weird this statement because it's like if a male contributor tweeted this there would probably be suspended spend with a trip to h._r. Are you saying that she deserves a trip to h._r. Or are you secretly mad that if you like mad about the bill o'reilly's and the other people who carvings into h._r. They don't get to play like it's this weird. It really felt that she has pissed some people up. There felt like there was some secrecy that we we don't know about and they were like oh good. We can drag her on twitter people driving all the time pick pick a lane. There's opportunities all time also about she's a pax network reject who got loud enough somehow and then got the opportunity to be on fox news. If you're so fucking upset about that stop waiting until this moment to be outraged. She sucks anyway. He sucks and she terrorists lizzy mcguire in high school right exactly also get frazzled when conservative people tweet about willie because i think that they're tweeting about willie horton now now. We're revisiting that dukakis driver the willie brown thing with tom. La and i'm like son named people willie. It's not nineteen twenty four anymore. It's joe turner's come and gone willie browned noted princess diaries. Cameo has his own really complicate fast and i was really interesting to me. I mentioned already but that there he felt the need to go on record saying that he really put her on put common harrison. It's it's just another ally of men who accidentally sudenly had relations with competent women and then we're confused where they continued to be competent honors when you were thirty it was you were lying to me. You had a plan that j._d. You already had and those four years like like got a like what bothers me a little bit about how roger ebert always took a little bit too much credit for oprah. It's like you had one you. You went on a date with her mentioned. She was too stupid to figure. I read. I don't know i mean like i love roger ebert. I truly love him but yeah it bothers me a little but at the same time that one you're like that shine he really was very proud out of like being on the ground floor priest priest deadman restoration project but it's such a man thing to oprah's going around being mike dr ars. You watch a matt. That's me doctor fell. She dig on dr phil like towards the end. It was like a couple of years into it and said. I don't think he's still be on not in a not in a dragging doctor phil's you know really specific scientific work more in that. She thought he would do a couple of seasons. Get more book deals and keep it rolling so yeah. She's he's claiming those checks. Which i think is important. I think this is just all to say not that we're here busy doing a defense team because she has not paid us <hes> so that's not something i will do in my spare time <hes> but i will just say you know for the next debates for for the twitter jet for anything. We've talked before about how the role of comedy can be really good in politics and we sort of missed that satirical bite that i feel like s._n._l. Had and things but there's just been something lately that's stripped away remodeled. It and it's not really funny is observations britain's and sort of entertaining ourselves to death. Yes and maybe jokes would be a little bit funnier with a bit more base research. Yes yeah just know things. I love to know <hes> my favorite thing. When we're back we will be joined by the woman herself. Our legend icon miss kathleen the voice as most of us have found out the hard way getting into debt is easy. Getting out is hard especially. 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Oh i'm so sorry the hollywood though it's a little cuter now that's the turner ms. Cathleen turner is here with us on keep. It and we have so much to say but i i just wanna start out by saying that you are. Maybe one of my my favorite actresses and it's in preparation for you joining us. All of us were watching rawls and just being reminded how fantastic you are well. Thank you very much sir. I wish i wish you could see more <hes> of me on stage. That is my true at t._i. I think you know <hes> <hes>. Though i will confess i had a wonderful wonderful time in the eighties and nineties doing those films yeah i mean you also said once that when you were shooting body heat <hes> <hes> it was i feel like you have such a singular performance because you didn't now you know those like lauren bacall movies or you said you didn't know fell more or a law and you know you didn't feel like at that point where the greatest student a filmmaking not at all when i went to i moved mood to london my my father was with the foreign service diplomat so i grew up outside. The united states <hes> until university with the last. I four years were in london at high school at the american school in london and was i was in london. Every penny went when to getting a seats in theater and you know and even though the era i think i recall it was was well. If you sat up in the gods anyway was less expensive than than film tickets but i never i was kinda. Felt like feel happened happened to me too. You know i was i was going hard in the strong for broadway and i was on broadway my first year once i got to new york but then i got hijacked a speaking specifically about that. I remember you said that you we're very excited for the chance when you would be able to play martha in who's afraid of virginia woolf because you needed the time to be that age and i wanna ask you about <hes> i was just re watching some of these and you know like how did it feel in war of the roses. You know like you're only thirty three <hes> <hes> playing that role and did you feel like you often had some sort of age op and go to different. I always played older than myself so until until virginia woolf because well i mean right now. Nobody asked me for example <hes> when when they finally cast <hes> body heat larry kasim turned to me and said oh by the way you know. How old are you and i said twenty five he went no. You're not you're not you're twenty nine. Okay fine yeah right. I guess the idea of a woman having that much power that young was unacceptable <unk> some ways of course <hes> so that thereafter. I'll always seem to certainly in film play older than my actual age when i did peggy sue i i wasn't forty. Two for heaven say you know i know libya so crazy because everybody has to play multiple multiple ages in like jon allen who's so young. There is also whatever forty two it's so bizarre to watch in retrospect. I know it's magical total honestly honestly one of my favorite films. I would say that joan wilder in romancing. The stone is maybe my favorite role of yours but peggy sue is my favorite film that you i i would say that joe wilder is is closest to my personality and you know i. I have to say yeah she is. She is beloved wherever i go you know it's joan john learn awesome. My question for you is so you got an oscar nomination for peggy sue got married. If you re analyze your entire career with that the movie you would give yourself a nomination for if you could only pick one well. I'll tell you <hes> i. I was thrilled by the work i did in ken russell's crimes of passion but tony parker machine was it good. I don't think it was a great film. I think beg your sue is a great great film and i loved accidental tourists and other larry kassian bill hurt and my <hes> collaboration <hes> i i suppose i think that peggy sue is a strongest feminine stolen in which i think i had the most responsibility responsibility you know and <hes> so yeah okay. I'll go with that. I have to ask you. I'm a baltimore native. So of course i have to ask you about serial mom honey which was as a certain point required watching in my neighborhood. <hes> you go. I should host so yeah. Yeah you guys shot it video americana. Which is the movie theater around my school. It was amazing and i've loved it forever but something my friends and i have discussed is is. Do you think that beverly was always a serial killer or do you think that the bays rudeness of suburban baltimore changed her into murder a murder. Oh i can kind of envision in high school deciding that some student had to go giada yeah yeah i oh i think i think that it was certainly latent if not there was no one episode that that sparked her file. I think it was always always an option to her. That's her manners. I see baba john good friends thank you. I see him a lot. I just <hes> i was up in province town for the tennessee williams festival and <hes> and so we had dinner there and it was very nice. We have a nice time addition. The the affect you you guys had on camp and just type of winter out. No really links think about what he has done. He has an international reputation as a as a filmmaker without ever once having to go through hollywood <hes> building. I mean really truly being holded canola yeah. He's done it on his own. I think that's extraordinary and his mind you know his history and the the local local personal <hes> impacts that growing up in baltimore especially when seen his book. I haven't been able to check it out yet. Oh oh it's called. I guess he he gave me a copy. Which says of course i know what he means by that. I know what did he. What did you see about me that i just i've always loved. He said oh yes. He said working with kathleen. Turner is like working with a lion show. No fear you kathleen turner you are not only a obviously a super renowned and versatile actress but you're somebody who has taught acting and had a masterclass in very acquainted with the nuts of both nuts and bolts of acting and articulating them how often then for someone who knows acting on that level. Do you actually enjoy. You're watching other people acting or do you just immediately. Everybody's tricks well. <hes> i just had a book. Come out in the fall kathleen to non acting. I i read it last night cover to cover debts on amazon. I it's too well. Well thank you. That's quite a compliment that you well let you stay. Stay that long. I just last week did an intense for day. <hes> massa of course for <hes> not students people out there working. Do you know but but <hes> any case <hes> <hes> i'm. I'm not judgmental and i i don't. I don't have an immediate response. When i've ever the curtains has come down and someone would stop me. Were there as the theater's empty inside. So what do you think i'd say. I will tell you tomorrow or the next day. <music> simply liked to have things percolate sinking. Let me let me experience it more. <hes> i will certainly be able to tell if if if is is an performance said i think is a complete waste of my time <hes> which doesn't happen very often on guy. You know. There's no one way to do it yeah. I wanted to ask you shifting to your theater. I know that that at times you've talked about having a wrestle with being sort of the sex symbol early on i mean your first movie is body heat. At first of all you and william are just so glowing in that and it's wild how it starts out with like just showing his body so much. I feel like that wasn't even common to show men that way that much at the time still isn't something screening long ago and every woman it was spreadeagled man every every man usa only his ass and i come on on we pass this crap. I i mean it just felt so bold seeing you like grab him by his penis just like pull him across the room in that one seed. It's just really the show really beautiful. It was an amazing entrance for you into <hes> people's minds in hollywood but you know i do want to ask you played that sex symbol coyly ah who framed roger rabbit and then like dumber and dumber too <hes> but i my neck show me remember was the man with two brains brain. Which was i mean dolores. Benedict come up painful trade her. I mean she was the was the most outrageous is my mocking. The tallahassee was possible yeah and i loved it <hes>. I just wanted to ask a bit then how when you did the graduate you know originated that role on stage how did that feel stepping into the mrs robinson robinson role because i was looking on reviews and i feel like ben. Brantley like entire review is just sort of like focused on the nude scene and it was was that did it feel to twenty one seconds or something. I think i tell you when we built that. In the end we created it in in england in in london from the west end and ran there for six months. I was forty six ten and quite honestly <hes> the the director writer terry had said to me look. If there's any other way that you can have the impact that you know to to to kick benjamin's. Is you know as nudity then we'll try it out you know and really wasn't i mean why i just naked from the waist up. Just i really wasn't any combination except full nudity did what needed to be done so okay okay fine so we go with that and every single performance in london was sold out bar none and then of course english producer said <hes> well okay we were going to broadway and i said no no we're not and why because americans are so screwed up about that yeah <hes> <hes> i i. I don't need this. You know i bullshit anyway so i went off. Oh can i say this on this yashar. Canto good. I went off to do a tour of a woman play called to lula and while i was on the tour i got a script where the character was described as thirty seven but still attracting no so called the blueberry producer and i said we're going to broadway broadway and then i was forty eight <hes> juicy but he was an extraordinary thing guys. I gotta tell you i would get these letters. Some women saying things like they had not undressed in front of their husband ten years and they were going to tonight. That's a kind of reinforcement there so that was so extraordinarily well imagine i mean no one else at forty eight was is considered. You know sex symbol in this country completely so maderno low moving evolution. That hasn't really happened really happened. Anthony is still have yeah. I await ago when you gave an interview last year. I think two volts are talking about it began with you talking about how you don't like the quality of elizabeth taylor's voice and ever since you said that you have planted a seed in me where i now think about the quality of actors voices and if i like what i'm hearing when i'm watching them and so my question to you is what what voices really stick with you what other actors voices are your favorites mine. No i really do but l. No actually what i dislike is an nasal whiny kind of shrill edge that a lot of people get their voices his and honestly i mean i could be sitting in a restaurant and i'm i'm. I'm i'm looking at this group of women who are doing you know the ladies who lunch and they're oh five to ten thou- on the hook right with lows jewelry and and then they open the mouse and i was just sell one ring and take voice lessons. Do you think that's attached attached to some sort of performance of what it's supposed to sound like to be feminine or no. I think i think honestly voices <hes> i i think a lot of people just i- accents and voices unequality and the tom voice has a lot to do with your ear with with what you can hear for example. I think you would find their own. Most all the greatest voices are have pitch perfect. Quality of our are have perfect pitch <hes> it's it's about physically it's about being able to hear in a lot of ways and but i do think it can be improved upon juno with a class and excitingly coming up at some point this year on netflix uh-huh so mysterious with release dates on you're doing heartstrings a dolly parton anthology series where each episodes based on one of her salts like joe lean gene or something like this so she calls me up about this character called old bones and i. I'm reading this. A hillbilly hillbilly lives up there. I say i don't know about anyway dolly calls me and she can't eat the now here's is why won t now obon. She's real important to me because will l. Obon she lived up to mountain. You know and well we here's we we just thought she was a witch woman but she wasn't really and we it was a while ago i go by and well we was toil so i was always hungry and she gave me a cookie or something like these. He's and once she said to me you know ms jolly. You are anointed so i went home and assume acidini mama was anointed as he said well that means touched by god so you see bungs was the first one to know and it was such a it's such a she's you know she is a swedish. It is dawn woman then i had. I had a wonderful time. I had a wonderful time with this character. I got five layers of age makeup on kabbadi patting white wig that goes down past my ass. I if you really really really it's it's a whole new. Look for me me guys well so amazing that each of the episodes you have different writer different director to really was just good fun and and dan are we just kinda like i think his dali's vision of america that you know them's them that's good <music>. Good things will come to them and ams heads not too well. You know their heart but she was saying to me. The only one disagreements she said to me now you know she lived. She lived up here with a with a dog named blue and a one eyed cat named named squeaky. Yes yes and i said well dolly. I travel with my cats. You know what i'm location or something. I always say oh oh rack there all right. Now we can just take some sugar water you know and we put on now. Don't hurt uh-huh and he plays clini. When no you can't is not gonna happen dali. She's founding. She's such a mysterious character to me and that she really seems to like be bottomlessly effervescent. I want someone to solve dolly parton for me how she got this way. We are got well don. I they first of all you know what to anatomy <unk> prolific writer. She is <hes> i mean i mean if her body of work in that is unmatched. I think i think too that growing up. She did the way she did. Which was which is hard. You know it was was hard life but in a way she everything that she's dawning gained and been able to share she sees as a gift and i think that's rather wonderful yeah. She evokes a certain amount of hope and light with anyone who listen concern music and caesar perform so that's amazing yes but she does make a lot of fun about herself. You know as a you know the famous as she says you know takes takes a lot of it and the higher the hair the closer to god you talk a bit about dolly parton <music> vision for america and i believe that advocacy is something that's very important to you. Yes well mostly. I mean there are three major ager organizations that i you should understand that my activism to me is almost as important as my arts. I don't think i could ever be satisfied on not doing it. You know i would feel very empty life in some some ways but so i work mostly in new york where i live i served with the board of city meals on wheels and <hes> last last month we delivered our sixty million wow to our nineteen thousand elderly clients and and as you know the population is only getting older juno so there's no end in sight there <hes> and i have always been <hes> a great advocate for planned parenthood travelling to affiliates and speaking for them and fundraising and then been pretty pretty outspoken about that and then when i think my primary focus right now is <hes> people for the american way because because we are building a young progressive pipeline of of of politicians and future for for example for of our graduates graduates in the last electoral term were andrew gillum from florida stacey abrams from georgia kirsten cinema you know from arizona and this one woman pudge jordan from idaho native american point being that all of these young politicians politicians <hes> we conduct seminars in caucuses and teach them fundraising and networking and oh <hes> you know i it's it's just an extraordinary program that we only started. I guess around twelve thirteen years ago so we're we do a lot of catching up until you know two republican recruitment starts when they're born. I guess doctrinaire early heaven's sakes <hes> it's great i when i can you know when i'm not <hes> booked or something then i go to the caucuses and i work with women on on on presentation on now and their voices i confess i. I have been known to say to be believe you say like one. One more time i understand i will slap. You haven't had to yet. That's wonderful. I just had one more question. You're still doing your work in theatre which is wonderful and i know you talked once about. How you wish that <hes> you could play king lear and i wonder dozing. That's gone yeah yeah. Is that something you still want to do. Did you get to see glenda jackson's. I would not see see another person. Play a role that i do know nobody would have done in. The last year which is pretty exciting is for for the first time i have created a country. I took it to london and then i took it to the cafe carlyle and i've discovered that i need a theater because not a not a club i need. I'm too damn big for clone. They just i think i think i was. I know one evening at the carlisle. Oh this is so fucking small any case so we're we're now creating a fooling theater show and basically i tell stories and have songs that i love and that highlight the stories that i tell so i'm more of a storyteller acting than that sings juno than <hes> than just a singer because i do love telling stories. Have you enjoyed playing the character of yourself in front of these crowds. That's an interesting question. Actually <hes> yeah young. They're uses certain persona that i knew i present. There's an as myself but i don't know how much debray can analyze that sucker well. Thank you so much for joining us today as it was an honor. Thank you thank you have a great time guys. Thanks beautiful day. What frustrates me about shopping for beauty. 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If you forget to by milk this week you can find wandering on amazon in talk cafes and at kroger nationwide for fabulous discount head head over to their website wandering bear coffee dot com and use discount code. Keep it to get your first purchase half off you will not regret it and by you you i mean you the listener and you know i think as as you all know about me he said tearfully harm to marry maori <hes>. I called the fast furious franchises or no. I just wanna say quickly. My mom follows only me an ira on twitter draw aw your mom follow me on twitter posted a tweet with that in it. That's going to be a means. She does not understand referencing. I have to deal with it on the phone. She said i get called white. Man's changed it to i get called last follows up this <music>. This is so shocking. Take are now going to be like oh. My god the things that tweet right. I'm sorry mom thank take you both or out of pocket. Live reason we were talking about facet furious because according to a recent piece by the wall street journal the stars of the fast and furious movies apparently take their male egos into the fight scenes in in these films the actors named in a piece or jason statham vin diesel and the rock and it's basically the idea <hes> that they're fights are always made so that they aren't losers wannabe seen as weak or they've lost to the other person yes which means that the punches the head buds the kicks the body slams. They are all factored in to make each of these. He's male stars look like they are just basically macho. You can really see that in hobson shah now that you've just sort of someone unless you read the article at once you're looking at it and i know reread and i both saw hobson shaw last night thirty minutes apart different theaters did not realize that that until today how personal sliding doors yes what do we think about this concept of tracking the fights in movies. I mean i i really i'm so excited about this topic. I am a recent fast and furious lover and i've been washing them backwards as any sensible person would yeah. I think this does not surprise me in the in the slightest. We've heard that there used to be beef between <hes> vince <hes> vin diesel formerly early known as mark sinclair because that is his legal name and <hes> join johnson they were butting heads because <hes> the rock amen and was a powerful force onset and vin diesel pint of that so i do wonder if this all really started in the aftermath of <hes> their tiff <music> but what i was when i was watching hampson tried last night or yesterday what i really realize. It's not to show that you are the most strong is to show show that you want the weakest right right right so you know there's a shot in <hes> housing shaw where the rockets hold a chain. That's attached to a helicopter. Are you make sure that helicopter does not fly away. The can't do that but at the same time at every point when the one of them gets hit it they need to make sure they land and other one more explicitly. Say it at some point in the movie. I'm the allow him to hit me so that you can get ahead and then you'll allow him to hit you so so i can get this right. The excellence of this is cannot be cannot be understated so i i mean it does make me worry that there's this knee. You can't be able to see involve the the blood on their faces or the bruises. Go away immediately. There's there's no sign of the violence that these movies are are based on and get the android <unk> adrenaline rushing <hes> from their audience but if it was beautiful say i'm not surprised by the story but i do think it is incredibly embarrassing for you know just if you think about a movie like this obviously stars sign onto these type of things because they want to promote a certain image whatever so it would make sense that they wouldn't have moments of weakness i guess but but the fact that there is a specific score is assigned to whether or not you get a puncture kicked a point value system so funny. I love love vince sweet vin diesel the heart and spirit of america really his solution was math right he was like if we attribute a certain point to every eh punch every walk through a wall then we could. We could really put the math together and do it but hasn't sister. Who's a producer on the film is the one who tracks eventually. They said that wasn't that wasn't feasible. So now they all have different ways of dealing with it like <hes> the rockall shop to editing versus than having his strong sav versus. This is jason statham going through the fight choreographer. They're all trying to use like spy level envoys show up. It feels like a a game of scrabble via a triple word score. You know but there are a barrel into a fire. I don't know and it's not truly shocking like you said lewis because i imagined the role of being an action movie hero. This is what you care about like historically <hes>. We don't talk about how then men are especially men in hollywood but these are things that you expect to happen. It's why something like leo being beaten up so many times in the revenue that is worthy of an oscar we stripped away his ego to show a certain types of humane and mobility by eating that <hes> animals heart and it's also why we are so enamored with the story because i feel like right now in terms of of action heroes everyone is very drawn to keanu reeves and like the john wick movies and he always sort of wins at the end however he gets beaten the fuck up in those movies and i feel like people are responding to a we love at like honorees doesn't seem to have this ego etc so so this story is funny. I always loved the born movies because just through sound design. They make it every hit lands that you always see the <hes> ah the repercussions of this violent life on <hes> beautiful matt damon's face marvel movies too. You know i think it's mostly because they're playing characters and not not everybody on this is jason stefon like the crank movie that you think of those action movie stars by their name as opposed to you're thinking chris hemsworth as thor. You're more willing to take in concerns being beaten the fuck up i think i was for something in a movie movie because it's in service of a character right. I was gonna say also like you bring up the marvel movies. That's the only other franchise i can think of where there's multiple action heroes heroes together you know whereas not so not only are these people embodying glorified versions of themselves the rocket sarah they are competitive with somebody else for the the same protagonist type role which i think is pretty rare in an action movie and i do. I think it it does <hes> bear mentioning that in the recent years as those the roles those heroles now three of them now <hes> they have they have decidedly picked an other character to become the villain and jason's nathan was initially introduced as a villain but midway through the movie jive enhancing shows up so of course that's the person who has to die and then it was released there in aliko trades and technology still alive coming back for a sequel might have been hers villain in hobson charvis thinking about we'll never find out we'll never find out but then also in this one idris elba with the tiniest front grilles look on his two. He was the villain in so there is something about this like american. You know you have the rock literally eating raw eggs and then being in front of american flag <hes> these american white white presenting a man even though the rock takes great care to represent simone heritage in this particular movie <hes> versus the enemy brown all men and woman in the last couple of months because well. You can't be week if you're beating up these people and speaking of women. I know that michelle rodriguez. I remember after after fate of the furious was like i'm not coming back to these movies and stuff see show the women a little bit more loud which michelle rodriguez always extra but i did sort of get the sense of that in hobbs shah i enjoyed it and i love how these movies are just so bombastic and take on these action movie tropes and had it's such fun with them but hobson shaw did feel very different in essence from a fast and furious original movie because because those are more family oriented <hes> there's more female energy <hes> even you know like michelle like jordana brewster like these people people even the original ones with paul walker his energy as a action star as a protagonist. I was had more of like even like a sensual sort of sensitive energy than what you're getting from iraq or jason state. I'm right you know. Paul walker was attractive for lack of better terms. They made fun of him. As being like the pretty boy like vin diesel did the early films. That's a different kind of energy so did you does this mean jordana brewster not in the movie. No this is a spin out right right. I have some shaw is the rock was introduced as a c._i._a. Agent and because all spies look like the yes and slide right under the reign of jason who was a villain at first although corruption story they give him a redemption in in the last one and really just were like we don't need redemption. Let's actually just read kind of make him a hero. In in hobson sean now that we can have a new franchise but they spun off the rock. 'n jason statham right to an action series and that's also israel was saying part the drama with the coming into the series sort of put vin diesel in a place where he's like. I was the action star mysterious and now here's the rock right but there's so you know they did what you're saying about. <hes> more women getting more action in the movies in the previous moves you had you had michelle rodriguez and you had these women. You know they were driving the cars. They were throwing shots. <hes> michelle rodriguez had a fight with rhonda rousey into movies ago and it was very fun to watch but in this movie it was really interesting in the wake especially of this <hes> wall street journal article the only female main character except for <hes> beautiful cameo by my queen helen mirren was <hes> vanessa kirby who you may know as a princess margaret from the crown aka the crowned <hes> so fucking. She's really from this movie but stella and streetcar three car new york. How 'bout that look theater. People say theater <hes> but i i think it's really interesting because all of her physicality went up against our to lead men. Dan is seen as comedy yeah they really. You know it's funny that this little girl wants to try to take on these people and up until that point. She's the most competent they match us a great spy for my sex but if she is faced with these men the this american type of masculinity oh i just just pick her up like i'm gaston once again thing that actually annoyed me about the movie. The most is the lack of that februa- inner-city 'cause there's a point in the movie where a group of female assassins show up their friends jason stadiums and the way they're addressed sexually the the leader has this sort of st andrews like lingerie anderson guess with with a jacket over edits none of this as practical she introduced to her by her making out with jason tatum for no reason not a single reason and it's really was just this isn't the fast movie and the passengers doesn't have a ton of women but there there was a market difference that was notable aw and i wonder as the franchise is gonna continue to grow because they are making just bags on stacks bags of money whether or not this <music> issued this like male ego is going to be an overwhelming force which he is but i wonder if they're gonna take out the attempts to have a woman has the same amount of power exerted by the way remind me a female ego which reminds me a question. I was going to ask jordana brewster. Are you going to do other things no very confused by her. She was on the dallas t._v. Show then she just got this and then also like the george lucas of of action movie acting you just did those six extends okay. It's funny too because now the paul walker is dead. Yeah she's raising the kids that they had in the series so she sort of just pops pops up for a cameo but the last movie the movies they never like they have an address paul walker's death really in the movies so it is this. I don't know what that is. <hes> team team has planned for her but i think the world is fine with her. Just doing this okay yeah. I mean if that team wants to come on. Keep it and just explain for jordana brewster. The world is enough half right. Oh very good wait. She knows what he's doing it for nova okay yeah strange in eastern richard. I thought we'd establish. I my jokes are sort of like non sequiturs and really just you know they only become right okay well. That's that's an opinion to thanks okay we we. We all have a punchline that would work on laugh and all right very good. It wasn't really a joke oriented show but okay okay so fun to be here with you. The love for people to come in and just experience are dynamic up close and personal except that you are in our dot abbott around me all times i would work for a website called booth buzzfeed. That's a ruth buzzy reference. It was kind of like a joke upon related to laffin. Okay thank you so much. We'll be right back with keep it edward back our favorite part of the episode as usual. It is keep it. Yes free rein so i am really happy. You know. We've discussed awesome. Interestingly hefty topics and i'm really excited to be petty right now. Mike orbit <hes> is <hes> petiot british. Quality is is the great british bake off trailer now. It's one of my favorite shows. It is a valium to the harsh ip of this world right. I started clean countertop altogether so pallet cleanser day putt a plate down twelve seconds later. It's all beautiful and they're also kind to each other. It's a gentleness to it but the who released a trailer for the upcoming season that is one of the circles of hell there. No channel four is trying to be evocative could've by doing a dystopia n- montage of this trailer. They have coal miners in an oven holding back. They have fencers <hes> fighting with pastas. They have a woman alone as an astronaut with bread like it's it's. I have a question what it's absurd and it's and and i was so excited because the world is a hard place and i was really looking forward to some sort of tartlets coming my way. I love watching food because it <hes> makes me feel like i have eaten it without the pain and strawberry jelly. That looks like <hes> rubies. You know what i'm saying yes. Is this a smooch through so so great but it is. It's so wild and i the reason why it was annoying to me. Beyond just the fact that i cannot believe they made a saint paul hollywood and i know this is niche but i- feeling petty today is because i use this program i use the crown i use a lot of shows right after the election to step step away from the pain and the eighteen -ness of this world com without it being at trump tower for what like do not <hes> watch two weeks notice without a trigger warning. He shows up but boy. I went to england and it's it's it's seeping you bring into even the most gentle programming. I'm not watching years and years. I don't wanna watch emma. Thompson played donald trump on television. I wanna watch you know <hes> people oh really think about their pies and how it connects to their heritage their british heritage right it seems to me there are two modes of acceptable entertainment right now which is utterly comfort and were they mastered just palatability and <hes> as we as we said before jellies and then also things that are so unbelievably uncomfortable horrible that it actually articulate something that we're feeling right now anywhere in between is like the exactly wrong and you like i. I appreciate eight what they're doing on euphoria. I just don't wanna watch tense. Teams do glitter bumps all day. It's there has to be a space for wholesome wholesome television from british people that make me feel okay about myself and so that is my keep it and channel four or your editors really need to get offer whatever drugs they're going. I feel like i want depressing. British shows why fleabag. I'll never find misfit. If if i wanna have superpowers gotta go to juvie. Did you watch a gentleman jack and then i started to watch jack our mutual friend angelina burnett <hes> <hes> friend of the pod here watch gentleman jack and i looked at the poster and victor victoria the series which i would rather be watching and never got around to take it further back. It's a lot about a woman who loves journal but then also <hes> queer bashing so like greely a good level so no safety but journal hot but that was a that was a real niche victor victoria victoria lewis. I am calling an audible this week. I am bringing back. Keep it up because we had such a horrible weekend account and i just want to you know in the spirit of the great <hes> britishness. You were just describing <hes> bring a little levity. We've into the white person. The chains foul right over shower. It takes a certain type of confidence and we know what kind of confidence i take right. Yes charlie rose <hes>. I was on twitter recently. A big pallet cleanser for me is a goddess mariah carey cher who is exactly champagne colored at all times in in a sort of jaylo vibe. You know what i mean. There's a kind of a and w sheen to the bronze and she does yes she posted a video that was so amazing and i need other people to join her on this level and do this thing. She posted a tribute to jennifer tilly and bullets over broadway where the perfect impression of this <hes>. I'll say legendary comic character. I don't mean to invoke the filmography of woody allen. I'm somewhat sorry to do that but the gentleman yeah jennifer kelly in this movie it's a classic performance in the way like marisa tomei and my cousin vinny is to reference something you to set lesley leeann warning victor victoria are jean hagen singing in the rain batty squawky women who have a soul to them in a in a mysterious unknowable unknowable way carries impression was so fucking good. She has patch right and that's a part of it because it's a pitch driven. I need more people to do this. Toast pop culture. They love in a serious unflinching way where you get the pitch correct. You get every word correct. You got <hes>. If you know our friend <hes> boeing young. I was gonna say reminds we bowen doing his lips sakes of performances which is which takes time it does take time because the the the face he always gets perfect like the the the mouth lewis is like he knows these speech. It's not just trying to give you devil wears prada right not even being able to say like why is no one ready yeah exactly that was really good. I mean the bit. I studied that the sobol sure didn't <hes> right <hes> boeing yankee. We just brought up yet. He lip thinks monologues from movies. He did the ones coming to mind right. Now is erin brockovich that very long speech where she's talking about all the phone numbers and people's names shoe memorized in that town where everybody drink the wrong water jeopardy. That's right. That's exactly right so i'm just saying there is something to me very life affirming about knowing pop culture very well cherishing rushing it and then rebranding it as a thing filtered through the prism of you <hes> i just i'm so obsessed with mariah carey obsessed with that performance. I do love them right has the time yes. I think we all at her. Head keeps interrupting the video one hundred times. She really like that <hes> reporter whose whose kid came in and his wife split at input yes. I can't be tamed. She can't have to move people. I think it is amazing that she she actually shows a certain level of like connected us pop culture. She has been famous and has been working with her videos. Always have some sort of cinematic references in our back when she did and so i think that is something sweet and her soul <hes> along with whatever a high class <unk> is running through her veins. Yes right she. He was somebody who is obsessed with mean girls in a way that was not cliches. She found humor in at that was specific to her. You know so anyway be mariah. Carey is my advice that she's on our wall right. Yes there she <hes> queen kate. That's right for queen prints and we talked to an iconic actress today a and what else is more iconic than mariah in heartbreaker video. What was the name of that video was bianca. I thought i i was making that up. I wanted her to be named yeah. Yeah i love it. You keep it for us or are you going to play the game. Have you been on the podcast. You chase it to keep it up now. Do i need to it'd be positive you can bring it right back. I'm gonna be i'm gonna fix. I was annoying and then i'm going to be a mix. Keep it a sprawling my keep it. I feel feel like is inspired by the spirit of casey moss graphs. She's not dead the waves you know like spirit spirit. I feel like she is a ghost. She's casper. She's alive now. She's she's everywhere. At once serious the as we know there were two mass shootings in america the past week which cities i don't know pick one but by the time you listen to this that will probably be three more than your president doesn't know which ones either yes but it was in dayton and el paso most recently and and you know just thinking about casey interrupting her <hes> show at lollapalooza to talk about how you know like reading to do something about gun violence now and i'm just like dragging idiots on twitter who are disagreeing with her two case a unit to realize that everyone one of your concerts is packing hacking because our country have guns and a lot of people also also to venues of metal. That's a racing the technology around and just we were talking about tony morrison earlier you know and i think <hes> ninety two why in two thousand fifteen she was giving this speech and it was the the height of you know still the height of broccoli au being shot by police she was ever talking about good versus evil and in how she was always meditating on it and she hates reading about evil because it's just like it's an a costume. It's tap dancing on stage like it's not interesting her and talking about police and just saying like there's nothing more scarier or cowardly than like someone with a gun for talking about evil twin talk about mitch mcconnell. Oh okay evolve aw so wicked that i feel like another spectre pushed him down the stairs with he himself is filled with a few sectors. Yes they're all bursting to get out of his neck. Your healthy ghostbusters. We're talking about him because crooked launched a call to action. Call get rich or die tryin so cute. I know the reference. I it's actually a very good fifty cent album and okay movie. Okay all right. We're not gonna let stay like bagging on it twice. Oh good yes so big ups to that doing what the other girls at eminem never could do but the call to action in is basically to get rid of mitch mcconnell. Yes it's to help fund. Flipping senate succeeds by supporting democrats in alabama alaska arizona colorado georgia iowa kentucky maine north carolina south carolina and in texas almost sounded like that state song. Yeah i was really is really bad to break into some fifteen fifty united states but it's also help h. R. eight get past. It's a bipartisan bill that requires background checks on all gun sales or transfers a a bill that the democratic led house passed on february twenty seventh a bill that eighty six percent of american voters support including eighty percent of republicans ends and seventy six percent of gun owners however mitch mcconnell has blocked h._r. Eight in the senate and refuses to bring it to the floor while he he was brought to the floor this week by jesus and having <hes> so how about everyone go to vote save america dot com slash get mitch so they can support twenty twenty democratic senate candidates and we can finally get that demon the white house. I guarantee you. That's the white house but i feel like he hangs out there right now. He's like an interest. He has a what's app rate directly into the oval office. Yeah yeah yeah pleasurable to be a part of that campaign. I mean like do it do it. Do it will feel good anyway. That's our show. Thanks for having me. Thank you again to ms kathleen turner for joining us to re for being a wonderful guest cohost us. We'll see you next week. Keep it as a product of crooked media. Carolina reston is our producer. Our editor is sarah. Barron and kyle segment is our sound engineer. 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Ep 96: What podcast has Alex Trebek AND Carol Burnett?
"Hey it's just me Paula. Poundstone before the show starts. I want you to know what nobody on this show knows. Which is that. I got Carol Burnett One of my all time idols. I grew up wanting to be Carol Burnett. I got her to call in as a surprise to my co workers on the hundredth caller contests. You should have heard me trying to explain what the hundredth caller contests was too. Carol Burnett anyways. She's going to call in just a little bit and I wanted you guys to know ahead of time. Okay don't tell starving Coming from our houses in Los Angeles California. It's nobody listens to Paula. Poundstone comedy field guide to life tonight. The clue is he graduated from the University of Ottawa with a degree in philosophy and went onto host wizard of Oz. Double Dare and high rollers as well as another show and the answer is is Alex Trebek. That's right Paula. Wants to find out if she can make a living as a game show host who better to adviser and how to hit the Jackpot then the host of jeopardy now. Let's meet our contestants. I'm Adam felber writer and podcast host of North Hollywood California who says he wants kept his Co host on topic for nearly two minutes and now please welcome our returning champion writer from Santa Monica California who continuously leads her podcast into conversational. Double Jeopardy. Paula poundstone hated COMPA. Thanks very much. I would say it's nice to be here but it sounds goofy because I'm just sitting in by pendulum at home or you're in your bedroom my bedroom slash office. Yes excellent excellent. And let's let's say a big thanks to tonight's housebound cellist. Jackson Keith from Plano Texas you know I feel that it's important during the the state home order to keep a schedule and I work really hard all day long and one of the things that I don't schedule in but I ended up doing every single day. Multiple Times is taking off my email deleting all the political solicitations. Now let me just begin by saying I love the post office. Want to save the post office. There's no reason the world the post office should be in jeopardy of any kind the post it should be there a number two Male ballots makes all the sense in the world in the pickle that we are in. We should have mail-in ballots. I have supported both issues. I have clicked on. I have said yes I do. I have donated money but every single day multiple times a day. I get these emails that they'll say an it's from some organization that I don't even know who they're an. It'll say we're so excited you know. Joe Biden has come out in support of mail in ballots and we're so happy and then literally an hour later. It'll go Pala we're crying. Mail in ballots might not make it like this happened. I can't go that roller coaster amend. They'll say we just want your opinion. We want an course your click and it says and by the way an five dollars I and every now and then I've been foolish enough to fall for Z like. Oh can you hear my dog barking yes I can. That's the plan so can America. She's she's telling me that there are people in the alley and that must be stopped. Yeah there's nothing the negative but I get up and yell at her. But it's not gonNA MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WAY. P- ahead into thinking that she just stop until the people walk through the alley she just won't There's a lot of foot traffic in my alley now because everybody's trying to get exercise and stuff and people have in order to avoid one another on the street and the sidewalk. They filter into alleys and my Doug Moe is counting them so what she just told me is. There's ten people in the alley right now. I don't know if I in in that way. Yeah it's very very helpful. Hey speaking of things that are happening during the stay at home order. Let's let's go around the horn and find out if anything new wondering is. I'm like you Paula. I'm desperate for news. Anything that's new in anybody's life is important for me because the endless wash of these days at home starts to get very monotonous. So let's go Rhino Horn a Tony. Anita hull anything new in your life. I drove down to San Clemente over the weekend to see a friend. We talked at a safe distance and then I drove back home. Was that friend named Richard. Nixon Oh yeah was it Tricia Nixon or something. Naveh never toady. Are you secretly creating shrine to Nixon in your in your office? Wow absolutely not from San Clemente or is it. Just Orange County no he. He retired to San Clemente. Believe me didn't tell that. Yeah Tony like. You didn't know that she knew that she was. She was in San Clemente making us. Tony is also a gifted sculptor. And she was in San Clemente making a Nixon sculpture. Tony we it's not like we leave our politics at the door here but we don't hire according to politics so you can still work on the show being will you are absolutely hey producer while his manager. Bonnie Burns captain crinkles online. That's my signature. You don't have to do that. You don't have to do that when you're introduced. Hey I don't want you to get lonesome for my noise. I. I'm not one of the things. I'm not nostalgic for right now but hey bunny burns. Tell us what's new in your life. Well my daughter progressed from waving at each other from across the room to hip bumping hip bumping. Yeah I get it like so for the beginning. Is this like your entire relationship or just a quarantine that you were doing? The wave dead from across the room so she comes home from work and now I just go over. I give her a little hip bump. That's been the closest contact we've had so I guess that's a way of warning anybody that finding mate inadvertently come into contact with you know if you shake hands. She'll be fine but if she happens to hit you with their heads are going to be covered in the in the covert. Where does your does your daughter work in a high risk environment? Bunny no you know. She works with horses so she's at the Bar Day but you know we don't know if she's a covert carrier right. No I guess not. And then she has a boyfriend. She hangs out with friends. So we've been very cautious. Okay I see but I don't think hip bumping being cautious caution to the wind. You can't hit no matter. How ample we did the hip not connect. We're hip connecting. You can't yeah that's not good just because you're closer than six no matter. How ample your hips are you? This other fine mentor a little more. Ample Adam yes you really know how to talk to a woman. I'm just saying nobody on the planet can bump somebody else's hips and not be within six feet of them happen okay fine but there's not a woman in the world who doesn't want a guy talking about the of her hips are used the word amble. You WanNa think of working for hallmark or something. 'cause boy you really really turn a phrase let me tell you I apologize. I ventured into sweets categories that I normally wouldn't have gone into. I like an isolated. Shouldn't clearly haven't been in isolation you've been playing pinball with your daughter at body weeds category. What what categories have you ventured into okay last the last two nights? I've actually taken marshmallows. Put THEM IN THE MICROWAVE. Hick six seconds. So they puff up any knows no waiting for that to happen. Oh Wow okay. Let's let's unpack a little bit here but you know how sometimes you talk about how you stray off topic a little bit. I think she has you ask could just fill these marshmallows at all. So we're saying right here okay. We could just go now. No remember the marshmallow test. They did the famous psychology. They had a group of kids in room and they gave each one a marshmallow and they told him that if it could wait. What was it like you know? Ten minutes to eat the marshmallow them. They could get another marshmallow. Remember that an example of only a couple of kids waited the ten minutes and got the second marshmallow and they followed those kids throughout their lives. Like that wasn't creepy. They followed those kids throughout their lives. And what they found was the kids who waited to get the second marshmallow were overall sort of successful in life but you missed the follow up study Paulo which was twenty years later. All the kids who had the two marshmallows. We're dead of diabetes. Well now there's a new study where the several adults in a room with a microwave and a bunch of marshmallows. There are some adults that just stick the marshmallow in their mouth because they can't wait another and then there's others the more artistic type the shifts if you will That microwave marshmallows for six seconds that I want to say to our to our theonest do you yeah. I was three marshmallows while I was waiting for those. I got the film study I have never in my life Ronnie and I. She's been my manager for twenty six years. Thank you Bonnie. And we've been through a lot together but never have. I felt in safer hands and now I really do. I love you gotta say it does seem like putting a marshmallow in the microwave for six seconds and by the way eating three during those six seconds is impressive it does. It does sound like a dessert for somebody who wants to do something a little bit fancy but it's too lazy to actually roast a marshmallow. Forget that so. Have you ever actually made some? Moore's or do you like you buy the groceries and then not make it to the campsite. Right we do. We do know that you ate an entire bag of chocolate in the process of making butterfinger a few months ago. You know if there are any new listeners. Listening to this episode Ninety Six. You should know that when butter fingers changed recipe which was very upsetting to me. Bonnie kindly tried to make original butter fingers from recipes. She got online and she brought it to the studio because we used to record a studio and it was inedible and they were terrible. Yeah that it was a kind gesture. Yeah Oh my gosh. It was bad just completely awful and we learned that we were actually getting the second set of ingredients because because her daughter got busy with horses or something during the when they were supposed to make the butter fingers the first time and so Bonnie just eight entire bag. Yeah I wanted to tell you that I have a word for this week and how you know our ongoing vocabulary word thing yes exactly. It's a great word The word is health help. Yeah Health P E L F it. Oh pelter now that means money especially when gained dishonestly here. Use It in a sentence. President trump and his friends are sure to score some health from the rescue money intended to help small businesses and by the way Adam I got on twitter someone wrote me and told me in fact a woman named Katie. Marshall said her seventeen year old brother used the word. Sesikwe deleon. In his homework. It Means Policy Lavaka Long. He used it in his homework and he learned it from my vocabulary song. I was so excited to hear this. So yeah that is wonderful. It was really good news. Your vocabulary song is amazing. Poet does amazing thing than I. I've upset that Bonnie Burns ever doubted you. We know I think you may have that history of the show a little bit wrong. I think it was. You know I think it was you who didn't sing. I think it might have been you. Who the VOCAB was strong but what I do is out of word each week to vocabulary song. And here's what it's sounding like this week here. We go ready. I'm ready okay. I got it. I didn't want my my instrument to get too close to the To the recording. Here we go then put it outside would you? This week's word is parallel. It's announced means money especially when gain dishonestly. There's probably a slice four Hannity. Last week's word wasn't super bowl. It's an adjective that means impossible to overcome. That can make a person glum the week. Before that the word non-plussed it's an adjective that means surprised and confused. And not knowing how to react might describe me of trump's set of fact going back before that we had Qatar. It's announced the means. Excessive mucus in the throat or nose. You can hear it in every one of my shows and not long ago we had Gada plex. See it's announced that means a medical condition which a strong emotion or left or causes a prison to experience sudden weakness in the muscles. Hot can't budge. Let's never forget McRae. It's announced that means confused. Jumble or medley of things Hodgepodge who's podge Hodge points? Adam doesn't think my his replica replica. Couple Cup- ball. But I do I do I do. I do had to move now. Our Michael W wonderful. Wow that was really hear that I have to say that. We had another listener right into our facebook page earlier. This week to say that the vocabulary had ruined word replicable for him in his line of work he has to use it every day. Oh no what is he doing this line of work. He's a replicator. I don't know why that he might be a scientist. Scientists are really into the word replicable. What I gotTa do before my next vocabulary soon. Burn your Glock into exactly GonNa practice my glock. No you gotTa Burn Your Glock Misheard me. I know I thought you said learn. Burn definitely burn. Why it's okay for me to keep playing the GUAC and Spiel. I honestly have no idea. Why because Governor Gavin newsom has allowed annoying things to continue during the home what lockdown? It's not a walk down. What is stay at home order? Why are you at home? Keep going into lockdown. Is there something happening at your house? Are you chained up some you know what people are drama Queens? There's nobody unless you're in prison. Walk Down You know people out walking their dogs in Santa Monica today. This is what down they have been asked to. Please stay in their homes in order that we don't spread the virus to one another but they certainly see we've gotten to the stickling portion of our show again. I you know it's the sort of thing that does make me stickle though because it's people like you using the word lockdown. That makes those nuttier. Protesters come out with big signs saying they WANNA haircut. Boy that's something to go to the Mat for isn't it? You know words matter Adam. I can tell you that words matter very very much at are French. Oh look he ought to tell everybody. It's French trump. Everybody's favorite wrongly nationalized presidential hand puppet welcome French trump. It does more more French trump here to tell you at bear and are at least I have. Prescott fell wrong choice. At five o'clock a drops at fabric clerk and Fred even long on the East Coast and two pm on the West Coast. But you can listen anytime to French. Trump presidential comfort roles and I will give all Z straight information. All right I never saw you as being the breakout character. From our podcast but there. It is a mini podcast. Every Friday French trump's press conference. I insisted on being exe- breakout character. Who wants to listen to this code? Chestnut Chris Oh. Hey Mrs culpepper he is but she has. Nothing formatted fair enough. You know the other day I was glancing at a facebook or my website or something and there was a post. Oh I know I had made this little film of me talking to the mascot character on the outside of the Tofurkey box and Oh yes I think I saw that and then on the comments section someone had written. Oh Pala I. You knew what was funny. And what wasn't i. I listen to the third episode of Your French. It was funny the first time but it wasn't funny this time and then they put cringe and Because apparently someone had to their head making them listen to French trump three times. A live of like under lockdown. So I wrote back to. I don't usually respond but I know he drew me out. And why would they assume that you have anything to do with what French trump says? I have no idea I have no idea but I wrote back to him and I said Sir. This is the section actually. His name was Paul. I said Paul. This is the section for comments about the tofurkey man. Wow well you really stuck to him. Yeah Yeah so you know that's the thing with me. Don't get me started with trash talk. Because you're you're going down right that's you will take out your fans one fan at a time. If I have to absolutely enjoy your friends. Jim Bedding Davinci champion in. Well how come you did three fringe drunk and I had to listen to all three. Like what on earth somebody forced his finger onto the click button. What's a matter with this guy? Good luck on his hands. You know what I mean. Oh for Heaven Sakes now. My Dog's barking again. This is now mine is too what we're gonNA take a quick break anyway and when we come back Paula. What skills do you need to host the game show too? You know I have no idea. Well Alex Trebek's is here to help you find out when we return on. Nobody listens to Bala poundstone What is beach body on demand? It comes as no surprise there. All stuck in our homes or awhile avoid the complacency. It's important now more than ever to stay active and keep moving workout and even take classes in the comfort of your own home with beach body. On-demand beach body on demand is the easy use streaming service that gives you instant access to over thirteen hundred super effective workouts suited for anybody at any time the secret to getting results. I'm GonNa let you in on a people it's getting started. 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It turns out that I'm not. I disagree but there you go after all that time bitching about Self Promotion Item Right. People are going to be coming together and crowds for a long time. So I'm trying to figure out how to reach people you know so therefore I have come up with a game show idea that I'm GonNa do from my house and the question is am I capable of hosting a game show. Well fortunately we have with us. The world's best game show host. He can tell you whether you could actually do his job yet. It's time for career corner where we learn about the wide world of jobs. Would you like to be a fireman from? How better trained engineer? Maybe I'd like to make a living as a spot welder. What can you do with your life? Career Corner has the answer this week. Let's explore a career. A game show host here to help discover she could cut it in the stressful high stakes world of hosting a game show is the man who has hosted jeopardy since nineteen eighty-four the one and only Alex Trebek's own my. Hey guys thank you for helping. Break me out of my confinement. Thank you for breaking out for his. Alex welcome what? We're so glad you could be here. Thank you very much. Thanks Alex where are you anyways? I'm sitting at my desk in my office at home in Los Angeles in Los Angeles in the San Fernando Valley who turns out me and Alex our neighbors. Oh really yes alex. I'm glad you're not my neighbor because you call the cops on me for my dog barking in the backyard right now. I thought you can't person I have two giant dogs and twelve away. Somebody has to keep the cats in just about to say eleven cats. I have a cat that is so old he. I apparently one of the things that's happened to her. In her old age she keeps trying to go into like any time. You open a cabinet or a door. She tries to go into city closet or or the Cupboard. The keeps the pots and pans in. And I don't see that well and so I keep shutting her in the door. She's been cut in half more times than a magician's assistant at this. A little strange that the cat keeps trying to go into the cause. You Yeah Right. Wouldn't you think that somewhere along the way she would figure out that? That's not a good idea but cats are not great lesson learners. That's for sure all right. That is true. Speaking of learning lessons Alex I need to know how to be a game show host so let me begin with this on a regular Alex. Trebek's Day when you're making jeopardy. What does your day look like? What are the tasks that you have to do well? I arrive at the studio at six o'clock in the morning. Okay Yep I go through harvest food for that no I. I go through the mail and then at seven thirty. Our head writer delivers the five games that we are going to be taping that day and it takes me about an hour and a half to go over clue in every category in those five games and I make dia critical marks so that I don't make mistakes in pronouncing words and familiarize myself with all of the material. I also make checks on some of the clues that I think are too close in information to some of the other clues in those five games because the games are selected at random so we could have a little bit of duplication at nine o'clock. We have a production meeting with to producers to writers and myself and we order the Games and then I around ten o'clock I go to the studio. I get the hair. Makeup and Wardrobe and at eleven o'clock. Were ready to go. We taped shows in a row with one audience and we break for forty five minutes. Then we take the last two shows with a different audience and by about four o'clock four fifteen we're done for the day so it's basically a ten hour day that's amazing and how many days a week would you do. I mean who days a week and a half means two weeks of programming every time every two days that we go out and take how. Wow Okay Great. Because you can get a little ahead of things in mind you guys perhaps are not aware but in order to make it profitable for the networks disindicators. This is a tradition. That goes back many many decades. They decided that they were going to take an entire week of programming in one day. And that makes it just ideal. Because the host comes in he works is one day goes on and lounges around his fool. Everybody win everybody wins right. Liked to pull apart now. Okay when you're actually taping the show right you come out your ouster beck is. They're acting involved in the way that you ask the questions. I don't think so Paula. I think try to read the material as closely as I can to give it proper meaning On our show particularly because we are so heavily driven by information. It's important that you get the message across you. Don't want to confuse the contestants you're trying. It could as simple as possible for them to perform at their very best. So that's why I make the DIA critical remarks. We have so much limited space on the television screens. The monitors we use for our clues that sometimes two words that normally go together are separated at the end of the line. And if you aren't careful reading it you can confuse the contestants and that that's not our aim. Of course we want them to show themselves to be as smart as they possibly are now. Have you ever had a difficult contested? difficult in what? Way Paula. Well in any way you mean is that me or no. No we very by. Now keep in mind. We've been on thirty six years and the people know that there's a certain formality if you will to jeopardy so they abide by that. They're very polite They can be funny. They know that But if they're going to challenge clue for instance they are instructed to do their challenge during a commercial break and I see and we will try to resolve it that they're not going to speak out and interrupt me reading fluency. Hey Alex wait a minute I I think my my response was right. They're they're not. Yeah so you've you've never had anybody like flip the podium. No okay never had anybody who storm often said you know. I don't have to put up with this shit. Did nothing like that. No but what we have had when we were doing the kids tournament. We have had many many tearful scenes because keep in mind when you're doing a children's Tournament. These kids are the pride of their parents. Is They do well in school. They're not used to having anybody say. Hey you're wrong. They're used to being lauded and all of a sudden they get in a game on jeopardy against two other kids who have similar backgrounds and they lose and they're not used to losing. They're not used to having somebody say ooh sorry. And two of the three contestants who walk off the stage losers quite often shed a lot of tears and it's hard but you don't take that opportunity to make fun of them. Do you know whenever my God and I don't even try to make fun of the adults who appear on the program even though some of them give me a many reasons or many now. I have to say Alex is my my my son and my son for some reason. He's just turned twelve and he's been watching old episodes of the Sitcom cheers. He's just in love with it and recently just just a week ago. I found myself explaining to him on the immortal jeopardy episode of cheers how that episode became part of the Lingo of jeopardy as pulling klavan right. Yes and It took US completely by surprise. They came to me the people at cheers and asked if I would do a cameo appearance and we started doing readings and every reading we did they. They looked at me and they said Rebecca and lines so we kept expanding and they expanded it in that unique way in order to Do the cliff Cleveland and it has lasted. It's amazing it has lasted now for twenty years and it's incredible what. I wanted to ask you about apropos of Paul's question about difficult contestants have you over the years. Seen contestants actually pull clave or something close to it and and for those. That don't know what it is. Cleveland is when you needlessly bet away all your money and lose the game We've had contestants lose all of their money. I won't say that needlessly wager and lose it they figure in the game but We've had other contestants who have taken advantage of the Cleveland thing A A teenager in one of the tournament's wrote down as this final. I don't know what the response is but I just won seventy five thousand dollars so they the little off script if you will. Yeah I by the way. In terms of tribeca being able to handle a script on Alex trebek's was on the dais at an event for an organization. A charity organization called another's for animals. And I was also on the day and we were roasting a betty white and how many there were many comedians up there and then Alex Trebek's name gets called and we're all looking at each other going out. Your back is is a game show Hook. Why Allah jeopardy? What indication is there then he would be funny on a roast well? Ours to back stole the show. He was the real. I don't know if you've heard of them. Alex but Alex Trebek's wisely funniest up there. Do you remember that night? Alex I do remember that. That was at The Universal Hilton. Yeah and you're so funny and I think it blow everybody away because it's not the side of you that we see when you're hosting jeopardy all right speaking of which let me get back to the point. Okay let me let me interrupt you just a second because you bring up a very interesting point and that is that no matter who you are as the host you have to keep in mind. The game itself. That's the most important element you're dealing with. The game is the star. And you have to adapt yourself to that game so if it's a more cerebral game such as jeopardy say it does not behoove you to become the standup comic. You're running a specific. Game that is designed to entertain a wide range of viewers. And you should not intrude in the format. So you're saying I if you're a comedian say who's prone to long and sometimes rambling digressions. You Might WanNa rain at in to become a good game show host. Yes at now. One exception in a way was Richard Dawson who you'll recall hosted family feud yes and he used to drive the producers crazy because as his manager once said we've taken a Lotta crap from producers over the years. Now it's our turn to dish it out so launch into dialogues and tell stories instead of running the game and at the end of the taping the producer would have a half hour show. That was forty two minutes long and required excessive editing. But that was Richard's way of getting even longtime ago. Wow you know Alex when I entertained the jeopardy staff at your Christmas party and thank you again. That was a blast. I would surprised how many people worked on the show didn't always take that large a staff note when we started. I was the producer and I think we had six writers to contestant coordinators one researcher a stage manager and myself. We couldn't have been more than twenty people now. We're probably up to over one hundred. Wow that's a lot of people that isn't a lot of the other thing. I was really surprised about was while I was entertaining. Your staff I I would just sort of point to somebody and ask them a question how I used to do when I worked on stage and I'd say so. How long have you worked in the show would tell me? Did you get hired to that particular position? Your and somewhere along the way people began to say no all my life. I grew up wanting to work on a game show and I just couldn't get over that like many of the people answered my questions that way so always my dream to work on a game show who grows up thinking that people think. I want to be an actress so I WANNA be a lawyer. You know where the skydiver what did you grow up wanting to be a a game show host. No it happened by accident. Actually I was working for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in Toronto and my first assignments was to host a high school quiz show called reach for the top. Now you may have seen that particular show mimicked by Eugene Levy and the S. C. T. V. guys years ago and they Yes and they had John. I mean think of the cast they had. They had John Candy. They had Eugene Levy. They had Julie Flaherty Catherine O'Hara Martin Short Andrea Martin. Yes they had so many talented people who went on to more success in motion pictures but those TV shows are still out there. Those takeoffs and the ones that Eugene Levy did me are hilarious. And I've said this before. Funnier than the Will Ferrell on Saturday night live. Wow I agree with you. Keep in mind. He had a mustache. Black Moustache black hair and he just looked more like me and he would. He would be able to demonstrate frustration with the contestants A lot better than will Farrell. Will Ferrell on Saturday night. Live is very cool and doesn't get too upset but Eugene Levy. Let it rip with his eyebrows alone yes indeed famous eyebrows. Yeah we know jeopardy's all time winner. Ken Jennings said during the whole jeopardy experience. I felt like I was living a bit of a double life. I'd be secretly flying out to La to tape new shows hoping that none of my co workers would notice the absence and figure out what was going on. Jeopardy tries very hard to keep their secrets. Stay tuned as we uncover more secrets about how to be a master game show host. The cat of the week is old man Ali from holyoke Massachusetts Better help the world's largest counseling service has asked me to talk to you about something that is really important. Which is your mental health and how to reach out and get help. You wouldn't hesitate to go to the doctor. Professional Care Fiat a broken arm. Your mental health deserves the same attention. Better help we'll assess your needs and match you with your own counselor from their network of licensed credited and board-certified therapists. You can start communicating in under twenty four hours. That's great it's not a crisis line. 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Well it's available. Wow that's nice better. Help's mission is to provide everyone and this is so important at this time in our world. Everyone with easy affordable and private access to professional counseling is nothing worse than those hobbyists counselors. Right anytime anywhere get started today. Nobody listens to Paula. Poundstone listeners get ten percent off your first month at better help dot com slash Paula. That's better H E L P DOT COM Slash Paula. And we're back with the legendary Alex Trebek's well so Alex now you you already answered this question to some degree. Which is what are the important things? Like what advice do you have for me? And my online game show adventure. You did. Tell me one thing already which is at. It's about the game itself. Yup It's about the game. The contestants a vice for you as host of the program yet your be yourself be natural. Don't try to upstage the contestants because that will alienate the audience. Oh you don't want to tick off your on. The audience wants to look at you as the friend of the players. Because they imagine themselves in the position of contestant incher yeah they relate to the contested so they say cheese. You know what? There's a waiter up there and he's doing well and I'm a waiter damn. I could probably do well if I were there. Oh wait a minute. Why is all picking on him? I don't like Paula. So so that's one of the things you have to guard against. You also have to be a little bit of a traffic cop in. There's a certain time limit for each segment of the program and you have to get that segment done within that time limit so as I said earlier. It's not a time for doing a lot of ad living occasionally it might if the game playing very quickly and your stage manager comes to you and says hey where were a minute under where we're good. If you want to say something then you can do a little number or whatever so. That's very important You you're a producer or a director if you will on the floor and you're the director's best friend out there because If you get along well and understand each other there would be no problem you you get a field for how the game is going. You know where to put stress you know where to heighten the suspense you know where to encourage contestant who may not be doing particularly well and conversely you know how to put controls on a contestant who is not only doing well but perhaps lording it over the opponent so anyways there are many ways in which you can exert your influence but the trick is always always always be on the side of the players. I love that. What great advice great advice? Hey Alex I'm sure you've heard this because I've heard it. Which is that Mel Brooks and Carl? Reiner used to get together in the evenings and they would eat their dinner on TV tray and watch jeopardy together and you'll Ford that right. I was there at Mel's house. He and Carl were recording clues for us and they told us that's the way they spend their evenings so I have no reason to disbelieve. That's gotta be. The highest. Praise did any performer. Could have I think well. Hey we love fans and if they are famous fans whose work we admire and have admired for years. It makes it even more special for us on. Yeah that's a great thing. Have One of the question for you do. I need a sidekick. Hey No you do not State Jackass. Vanna you have Adam. Yeah sure I have Johnny Gilbert behind the scenes so it you don't need a sidekick some games it helps a when I was doing high rollers many many years ago my sidekick was rudely and then after her Elaine Stewart because they were ruling the dice while I was explaining the rules and running the game and it worked out beautifully. It was a great relationship and route an I remained friends now for about Forty years and But it's not always required A. Have you ever felt a little jealous? That patsy Jack has someone to to turn the letters No on our show there. There really is no place for a CO host I read the clues there. Yes votes GONNA do point the clue I'm reading or or just go. Good one Alex just now if I can go back to a few moments ago when you were talking about Mel Brooks and Carl. Reiner sure saying how nice it is. When people like that are fans of the show? When I started hosting jeopardy and the show suddenly became popular I would get invited to a lot of events. A lot of celebrity golf matches and one of my big thrills was being invited to the Frank Sinatra classic in Palm Springs and meeting frank and finding out that he was in a fan of the show. Oh Nice and he sent me a letter thanking me for he says you guys made me star yet. Right when he was he was my musical hero. And my show Biz hero and to find out. He watched on a regular basis. So it was extremely pleasing to me. Why does Johnny Gilbert always mispronounced your name? Well I don't know it's I had a younger sister who died a few years back and she did not Pronounce Travek. Way announced her back. So I've got used to it there i. I don't mind slight variations in the pronunciation. You've never mentioned it to see you never side and pull your arm over shoulder and said it's back. No I've never done that have been together now. Thirty six years spat never Nasty word between us. Oh that's so nice. I guess I guess after the first decade or so telling him would become awkward. Yeah I it's like when you have the social acquaintance and you don't know their names exactly. After a certain amount of time it would now be more awkward to ask them their names. Yeah that happened with me and my dad you know I would I would. I would recognize him in the hallway of the House. But I was just like I know I know and I just couldn't you know just too late now that it would be embarrassing? I get it out. What other game show would you like to host? If I'd had my druthers I would've loved to have hosted Hollywood squares now to me. That was the ideal job first of all. The host is seated. I have spent Many many standing on a stage. I loved it when I got an opportunity to sit. Hollywood squares was my ideal because as the hosts you asked a celebrity question and the response would almost always make you laugh. Yeah and the game itself was very simple tic-tac-toe and who could not like that one of my really good friends is Peter Marshall and we talk about those days together and it was the ideal job for him and because he was so blessed so endearing and so friendly with the contestants and he knew how to play off of the celebrities. Yeah who makes the best contestant? Yeah that's a good question because we've talked about how Paula could become a good host. But wh WHO's the ideal game show contestant somebody smart. What what we've discovered over the years is that the teachers lawyers and students make the best contestants and the reason for that we discovered was. There used to confrontational situations in classrooms. Think of lawyers. They're in a courtroom they have to rebut. They have to make arguments so they're used to thinking on their feet. And that helps you a lot as a congested and the same is true for teachers and students. Teachers are trying to nail. The students students are trying to one up the teachers. But in in general if you have the knowledge and there are people as we've discovered certainly this year James Hall Tower who is a professional gambler. Austin Rogers who's a bartender dizzy? Who was in recording business. They all knew a ton of stuff and they were able to express themselves easily and be comfortable in the setting. That's so important for contestants. If you're going to succeed you need to be someone who can deal with the pressure of the moment because keeping under two other individuals here who want to beat your brains in right right. Yeah now Paula. Let me ask you this. You're thinking career as as a game show host. Yes kind of show. Would you like to host? Which kind of program would you feel? Most comfortable hosting a wheel afford jibe show is at a gong show is a jeopardy type program is a day To tell the truth Tyke show well. I'm limited by the fact that I'm going to do the show from my living room on a zoom type of format because we can't gather in groups and so I'm GonNa use you know what the world of technology has to offer. I'm going to be in my in my living room. I'll tell you one it's going to be a question and answer kind of show. Two contestants that are answering questions about one another One element of the show you know. I do have twelve cats and each contestant at the beginning of the show will pick a cat and if their cat happens to walk in front of the camera while we're taping they get an additional point and if they're cats throws up anywhere in my house while we're taping they just plain lose. Well that sounds that sounds great so it sounds like it's sort of like if they have to answer questions about each other. It's sort of like a newlywed game. For people who are neither married nor indeed have met no they will have met but not for married people but they will okay and I think it'll borrow a little bit from jeopardy in that There will be questions about really informational things as well as as questions about the the person's themselves but Yeah it's going to be done from from my living room. In fact Alex if as soon as stay at home order is finished with. And I don't know when that will be you are welcome to come host my much gladly be your sidekick Ya. I'm thinking that instead of having it as a situation in which you are the host and you have two contestants. How would it be if you had just one contestant and you mentioned that you would be asking questions and expecting answers? That's good so you could do that with one congestion. Maybe instead of a game show you could call it an interview ask. There are interviewing tax of being star. They're not there absolutely are Yes indeed. And that's one of the things that sets a Lotta the people apart but I can. It depends on the kind of show you're doing. I can't get away with it too too much on on jeopardy but PAT. Sajad can do it on wheel. Yeah well you know maybe you could get a big wheel sometime. Had A big wheel tremendous. Yeah I can't thank you enough Alex for your help and your advice and for being a part of our goofy little podcast. While you're you're welcome follow and I think if I think of you as a game show host I think you would be sensational given the right format and that's so important and it's so important to the success of a program you can be the best game show host on earth but if the program is very good you won't succeed but if you get the right combination of host and show. Peter Marshall Hollywood squares At Say Jack and wheel of Fortune. Bob Barker prices right Richard Dawson Family Feud Alex Trebek's hopefully. What's that show host and Paul and Paula poundstone with? What's that cat doing here? You've got it. Well thanks Alex. We're giving the clue. She needs to figure. Out If she could control the board and become a gameshow host Paula. What have you learned about becoming a good game show host? And could you do that job? Hey Jackson Keith. If I could get a little background music I'll tell you what my takeaway are perfect. I HAVE TO SAY ALEX. Track was very encouraging and supportive about the idea of me hosting a game show over the Internet. And I'm GONNA do it. Still some of what he did. Give Me Pause. Imagined for example writers contesting coordinators and researchers. We're on a stay at home order and I have no money. It's me twelve cats two dogs and addiction dictionary. That's missing half the pages. That's my research staff. Although I do have a book about hosting called let it rock. He said it's it's important to keep in mind the game itself. I don't know if the understands my memory problems which have been exacerbated by the stress of this crisis. I can't keep anything in mind. I'm sure to stop mid quiz question and say what are we doing? He said the jeopardy contestants abide by certain formality. I don't think mine. Will I get guys like Paul who bitches that he thinks? The French trump press conference could only be funny once but he listen to four episodes. Alec says I'm supposed to be on the side of the contestants. Well what if policy contested? I'm not supposed to say. Please welcome our first contestant Paul who left his negative fringe trump comment on the comments section for the video about the little tofurkey man. I don't think I cannot say that Alex. Thank you so much for being on our show. You one day Paula. You'll be essential again but one man we know is essential is the host of jeopardy. Alex trebek's and Alex. Thank you so much. We'll be back good more. Nobody listens to Paula. Poundstone after this. Hey guys rainy Jason Sklar here from the podcast dumb people. Tell me that we do with our buddy Daniel Van Kirk. And if you haven't heard our podcast yet it is an exploration and a celebration of the stupidity that is happening in this world. It is a true crime. Podcast where no one dies just people's stupidity raids and it could kill us all it could We believe the world's getting dumber We believe that Donna's getting louder Or smart is a little bunny and dumb is keeps petting too hard. It's like he likes it. He doesn't Miss smiler hitting it now. He loves doing it. We get three unbelievable news. Stories sent to us about people doing dumb things and we break them down with incredible. Gas like Tiffany Haddish. Jon Hamm Patent Oswald Paul F Tompkins and many more We try to get at the root of what is dumb behavior. It is a fantastic comedic romp. Please join US. Dumb people towd. Check it out. We're back thank you. How Spend Jackson Keith? Others a phone call Adamy. Oh really yet please okay. Hello Oh am I the one hundred caller no no. You're you're the sixty eighth caller on on the show. Who is this please? Hi It's Carol Carol Burnett. It is not we are. That sounds plausible. Is this really carol? Burnett not really is everybody. No come on Kale Kill are you. Are you aware that you can win? Any appliance from Roger. Federer's appliance store. As well as you can hang out without a map to the game. If you're the hundred caller what do I have to do? You have one hundred dollar. Well you know. I'll call back when I can be the one hundred sixty eight. I want to be one hundred okay. Eight is good though. Maybe we can get you like a tennis ball or something from Roger Federer's okay. How're you fixed for toilet paper? We'll all right. Maybe we could win that. What do you think that's a good idea? Actually that's a really good idea. Well you know maybe once we exhaust the hundred calls which I know Adam is really happy about having this contest. Oh yes I love it. Did you know that Roger Federer the tennis star has an appliance store? No your role. You're getting. You're getting sucked into Paula's web of lies all right. I'm used to lying. I watched the news. Oh It depends it depends which new now how are you? How are you and yours holding up during the have you taken to eating marshmallows during the no? We're doing okay. I've got my my my husband and I are here and we have a our kitty cat and one day goes into the next day and then the next but we're staying somewhat. Shane by Doing Crossword Puzzles and watching good. Old movie excellent. What was the most recent old movie that you watched? Oh my gosh well. We watched In the rain which I know by heart but I love it singing in the rain. The music man. August To Catches Steve Gaslight all about Eve all those good old you know those are great. Santa raise my wife's favorite movie. I rented a theater for a big birthday for her. Oh Gosh every number is a show stopper. It's absolutely. Oh it's just wonderful to watch it. I I love. This show kept stopping a metaphorical showstopper. Paula I the concession stand. Must've been going crazy on when that was in the theater. Did you see it in the theater? Carol yes I'm that old a Debbie Reynolds was at you. Know she was in it and she was. I think nineteen or twenty years old when she made that movie and she was a year older than I am and so I was eighteen and so I saw the movie in the theater. But then we have it here and it's just like a ritual. I watch it every year and it holds up so great. It's it's wonderful. I recommend it to anybody who can get it. You know. And of course it's a wonderful life with charged that was Stewart's favorite movie and it was Katherine Favorite Movie. They yeah wonderful lot and it bombed when it first came out really. Yep Yep and then what happened was it became a cult classic every Christmas. And so then it just you know and it caught on but when it first came out. It didn't do well at all that I'm on moving giving me. Why have a fantastic piece of singing in the rain Trivia that my wife tells me almost on an annual basis when we watched the movie with their kids which wild filming the iconic singing in the rain number out in the rain gene? Kelly had one hundred and three fever. Yes yes oh you knew that you did. I've met him years ago and we talked about that I was at some function. Then he where he was and I said that was just the greatest number and he said that he was so sick when they were doing it but he had to do it because it was all set up with the the you know the rain and this and that and uh yeah and so maybe that's why his eyes are shining and then of course Donald O'connor doing make them laugh. I mean he knocked himself out for that one and then when it was finished she had to take two weeks off to rest why because he had one hundred and four degree temperature and he was very this is this is little known. Trivia. Carol that they might not have told you what. Donald O'Connor was very jealous of a gene Kelly and so he purposely got himself a higher fever. We're so good together though. Oh my God. He was so jealous of Gene Kelly. That like after they finished shooting the singing in the rain number. Donald O'Connor went out there to the street set an licked every lamppost at Gene Kelly. That that's that's that's a rumor that might be true. And then of course the wonderful Jean Hagen. Who was the billinness in? The movie was so fun. She's my favorite in the whole thing. The unsung hero of the film. Or out funny. She was doing. I remember when Robert Mueller wouldn't testify and wouldn't testify wouldn't testify yes. I was almost certain that when he finally to testify he was going to say. I can't stand it. I thought for sure he was just ashamed. His voice yes exactly. Yeah like he was gonNA assist. He was GONNA sit down and go yeah go. He boarded informally honestly. Yeah Yeah it now Mickey Mouse yes. You drifted Carol. I gotta say with all due respect to Tom. Hanks I have to say Carol. I hope you are the hundredth caller. Eventually in this contest. Because what else is one hundred? Caller Win Paula. They they went any appliance they want from. Roger Federer's appliance store. And they get to hang out with that after the game. So I'm into that. Keep calling back at of enough. I Really WanNa do it you guys. I have to ask my coworkers. Did you guys know that it was Carol Burnett before she said it was coburn? No Paula? How are we supposed to guess such things crying? Tony? I am crying. Tony as is speechless. I'm Joyce I'm like. Oh my gosh well. That's not quite speechless anymore. Never we love you. Carol Burnett Care I want to thank you so so much for doing this and you know. I took time out of my busy schedule during the panthers. Yeah Yeah I had so many other things to do I actually. I'm I'm glad that you put on the back burner for us. That's really flattering. Well thank you know the next time I call. It'll be number one hundred. And I just I I think I would like a blender blender right. Yeah so just put down. Yeah yeah then. I'll call in their damaged appliances so it's a blender that will mix some things but not all all well no but I don't want that I think of something else. All right we're getting you damage blender I'll buy you a blender care everybody stay safe okay you too and thank you so much for calling in talking to you be good. They safe and Sane Youtube until thank you so much. I'm pulling my ear for you. Walk by love you to take care. Okay Bye bye bye my God come through your what Paula poundstone came through Adam. Adam low two hundred. You're not you're not one hundred caller caller number sixty mets. That's good number club year. You didn't even hear the number sixty no sixty nine. All hough only out of sixteen. You're you know with the Lord. I'll tell you that this your said sixty nine actional number. Carol Burnett was sixty eight and your sixty nine. Am I right Tony? Anita Ho. You are correct. Aren't you lucky? Carol Burnett wasn't sixty-nine I just want to give a shoutout to those who act the Lord Adam and I wanNa tell them that you can worship the Lord without gathering. I mean sure we'd like to gather but you don't have to go to the church while we're doing is using technology you know you know that. Zoom I call. It came back. Yeah I can tell you up a congregate and we sing this little cheese of mine. I'm going to eat it with wind and then I call someone else. You Know Adam. I was surprised that you use the sixty nine number like that. You know you know you're a step away from Avenue. Six six six six six collar contest. That's your your drill demonic. Demar you Adam tell you something about me. You don't have to think the same thing I think you know I know. Someday you're gonNA walk with the Lord but You know until that time you know manual can still be. We don't have to stop talking and calling Get you know because the more to understand out of JESUS LOVES CHEESES. I gotta go. I'm calling off. Thanks thank you back. You know what? He's an affable guy you know. He's a nice. I mean I think you grossed them out a little bit with the sixty nine. Anything man was caller number. Sixty nine. Paula are right right. Yeah I love it I love it. You Talk Mac. And it was six stanton nine. I loved that all funds the number Mike the actual number of the call. Yeah right that's probably good at you to get calvert. Decision was sixty-eight. There's no way. The Squirrel Cowburn. I was going to say I'm sixty but that was great. Sticking pliable up. Raise your sixty nine back in. That's so funny bed just a matter. And it was an artifact of the of the situation. Yeah I can. I cannot wait until stead or resolve. You make it out after the game. The only thing I like about this day at home order is that that can't happen. I don't want to hang out with you before. Or after the game such a kidder kid. Each other back and forth like I know that you hang out with me to get you know. She Stayed Home House crisis. Gigging they they do. Well Fuck Fuck you know what I make go. Goddamn that's why field so that's what I did. I would beach out. You know Would came game this football game and busy Mike. This kind of thing is what makes me think that your sports fandom isn't real in that we know there's been no football games defense book. He went to fifty. Yeah fucking great. It was it was. It's Tom Brady kicked digest. That's sort of maybe no no. I don't think I've played fantasy football. It doesn't really work like that. You don't go to a game you know you have the six fantasy out of this you. Tom Brady earlier. Yeah you ever Swim Swimming Tom. Brady's pull no have you. Yeah Yeah how'd you do that? Well none of us. Inner Jokes inflator all the way. They're all really really interesting. You called I know your number seventy right after bad. Okay bye okay. Oh boy he really soon know what you could not ask for more supportive fan and that guy because he really. He's very very supportive. That's for sure. Yeah we'll be back with more. Nobody listens to Bala poundstone after this. Oh Fun fact the four corners the only spot in the US where you can stand in four states at once Utah Colorado Arizona and New Mexico. If you're ever there make sure to try their specialty Spicy Mormon Marijuana burrito welcome back Paula. Yeah SPEAKING OF HOTEL SOAPS. We want to hear from our nobody. So nobody's here's the address. Write it down. I'm not gonNA say pullover because you shouldn't be in your car. Nobody listens to Paula. Poundstone AT G MAIL DOT COM. And if you want to submit a new entry to the theme song contest that's where you do it. Feel free to send it in or description of our show. 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Well I'll tell you it's a little pillow made from white canvas with catnip on the inside and a cat joke on one side and on the other side I'm happy to autograph it specifically to your cat fantastic you adam but to the person who goes on the store and Paula. I if I went to the store and and put in moonbeams name you would you would do that. I would absolutely do that. And so you know. They're they're flying off the shelf. The poundstone pussy pillows every every cat needs to have one. Because you know one of the things I've read on the news. Online is that During the stress of the crisis that people's animals are picking up on their owners stress. So it might be a good idea on yet. Your punsalan autographed poundstone pussy pillow with just the right amount of fresh nip mellow your cat out and I bet you could just pull it around the room and entertain your cat with it by just pulling it. Now that you mention it atom it does have a gromit sewn into it so you could tie a string now. I do not provide the string but you know I don't provide the string but you could tie string and pull it around to intrigue your cat more. Yeah and you know what if you want to save yourself that work and I hate to piggyback on top of Your Industry Paulo but I saw niche there When when Paul announced that she wasn't going to be time to string and what I'm offering is I will send the poundstone pussy pillow to me. I will tie the string on for you and sign up now. Wow AND UNLIKE PAULA. Who found that somewhat offensive name for hers? I will send it back you. It will be rebranded as the FELBER's feline fun bag. Who well so what more services could possibly want then one. We have provided. We're pretty much everything they could one. Answer the phone really. Okay Well Okay Hello Ho. You know you're caller number and thank God you didn't call to your colored over seventy one. Oh thank you so happy that you taking my call up me. Witty Rose Feinman during the stay at home order. I'm doing great Wenham. I'm here with my whole loving family. I've got a couple of projects I'm working on so I'm actually working from home and I'm feeling terrific. How are you? I'm of course I'm putting worried about you and I gave you some positive affirmations shape? Glad if that I was thinking that in order to keep hope alive for theatregoers continue to rejoice. And I've done some rewriting to incorporate some of America's struggle into the body of of my. My original work love texts. When I feel like I need to recap this for for our newer listeners. Yes is that you have been Calling me consistently now for months insisting that you have rented out a theater in which we were originally going to perform a are gurneys love letters. Well we were going to be shopping community in Huntington New York that is correct data as I said. I never really agreed to do this. And then he did reach O Q it. You'll get corey okay. And apparently you lost the rights to love letters and you rewrote a completely new play called love texts. It's an original work out of cold block. If you'll remember. I Am Virginia. And you just can't let's just Roy. I'll tell you the lights. Okay remember that I am Virginia. You a bit so here. Virginia begins layups. We grew up together. We have been fee of best friends forever. F eight fate took US apart now. You you unhappily married here L. F. You longing for you. I don't Care About Food C. O. V. I t. One Nine Colvin Kane. Think you. I'm coming to you the letter you. I want to tell you I am. Take you inside me now. This is your turn now. It's your turn now. So this is you and here you have. I don't have it telling you. What would you listen? Oh Virginia Am AG. Don't be like a mega idiot. The virus Israel and e o U. P. either one of US could be symptomatic. Our love is not more important than stopping this killer now. I speak as Virginia where you didn't even a okay. You're just telling me my lines are not asking me to do them in a minute. You know what this this owners making you trump at the bit trumping at any beds here now. I Virginia so you say stopping this Killa and is Virginia. Say Trump and you say no C. O. V. I d. One nine cove in nineteen. So do you want to try your wine over? Genia DP L. A. M. No waiting for you to remember. It's all Virginia Digby. Gee I know I get it when I get it but I'm not going to do like a maggot idiot. Israel Israel Israel O. C. P. A. N. a. One of US could be a symptomatic. No I heard it the first time when he tried to say it. I'm not going to say it you're being very suggestive to my character. Let me just say it's a young man we don't want to be in Winnie F F. A F. Pay Was Paul's Adam. Please her choice. I don't think that's coming Internet art. Oh it is it will be all right. I tell you what I'm GonNa do. I've got an email. You lied so that you can be more prepared for next voice. Oh I can't believe how unprofessional you are. All right I okay. All right bye. Thank you any OSCEOLA. This is taking a very turn well. It's a romantic script atom. You're very romantic. But but she's a what I'm not an actor and to she's a stalker. I would hope politics that when someone you love is being or work with is being stocked that you would step up and say something but like whenever Winnie Feinman shows up to. Stop Me Paulie you just kind of disappear you know. I don't think she's stocking you adam. She's a she's feels like it. She's sending me stuff and writing plays about me and an inveigling Inter Inter theatrical fantasies. Not Theatrical fantasies. You agreed to do the play what I never agreed to do. The winning flam is going to sue the shit out of you you know. Yeah S. T. S. ALL SU. They're out of you now now you're talking like Winnie. You see this is it's contagious. Well cheap cheek sometimes rights and asked me to help her with. The acronyms is that what is called. Ask for help with acronyms. Sometimes you you're talking to my stalker. She's not a starker she's just a fan she's just a fan who set your mother's Croc but and by the way her mother's very upset I never received the Crock Pot. Okay my God. If we weren't all forced to stay away from each other I would ask for a restraining order. But we're living inside global restraining order right now. That's right you know. Don't don't stickle we. You'RE GONNA you're GonNa say that you can find on instagram and all that. I'm so sorry I thought it was waiting for you. You can find me an atom on Instagram. Facebook and twitter and check out our facebook page at. Nobody listens to Paula poundstone. That's our show. Nobody listens to Paula. Poundstone has hosted by Paula. Poundstone and yours truly Adam felber produced by Paula. Poundstone Adam felber bunny burns qimlas ethnic and Tony Anita whole special. Thanks to our guest. Alex Trebek's and thanks to tonight's House Span Jackson Keith. 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So Tenet? Plus: Top Five Movies About Making Movies
"I'm Sean. Fantasy. I'm ended avance, and this is the big picture conversation. Show about how Hollywood itself. That's right. We are finally sharing our top five movies about making movies lists, but first we've been gone for a week. And in that time a lot has happened in our little tiny world of cinema, like Oh say the biggest movie of the year moving once again, that's right. Ten has moved off of July thirty first, and is now opening allegedly on August Twelfth Amanda. I can't imagine you were surprised to hear this news. No I was not I was if it's about time, and frankly I just think that there's a big asterisk around this opening on August, twelfth for now. Do I think that it will open August twelfth No I, do not. I don't either, and we find ourselves in this very strange game. We've talked about this. A couple of times on the shell ready and it is bizarrely turned into the movie story twenty twenty, which is, when can we go back into movie theaters and when? Warner Brothers moved the release date of tenant from July seventeenth to July thirty I. Thought to myself. That doesn't really seem like enough time to solve a global pandemic and in that time. The numbers have gone worse and things in America have gotten scarier and we saw something very specific happen, which is that in many of the states where things began to quote unquote open up numbers began to skyrocket in some of those states movie theaters even opened up and I. Think you and I both agree that movie theaters are potentially a very dangerous incubator for. covid nineteen. Not really what you want when you're going to the movies. What you want when you're going to the movies, is Safety Privacy Fund and a movie and I can't help but feel like. It's going to be a very long time, not just a couple more weeks, not just. Oh, you know August twelfth to August thirty first or you know. Milan has to August twenty first, so you know things will be back to normal and six weeks. It sort of feels like we're on this imaginary time line and I. Don't you think that in three weeks? WE'RE GONNA? Just do another episode where we talk about this again. I do and I find myself in the pretty puzzling and dispiriting situation of hoping that will be in that case. And I I. Want to be very clear as we talk about this like I really Miss Movies and I miss movie theaters and I. Miss I understand the financial ramifications, especially for the people who work at movie theaters, and that people's who livelihood depend on this industry, and it is a real loss, and we have not figured out solutions for that, and that's a real concern to me. But I also think that I have a lot of concerns about how this has been handled generally in the world, and we don't have to get into politics, but it seems unfair to me to ask audiences to take on the risk themselves, and so we've been in a situation where warner brothers. I think is being responsible and keeps pushing it down the down the road, and has not yet opened theaters, and the theaters are following Warner. Brothers leads pretty begrudgingly and a lot of situations We can talk about the ANC mask, tobacco, or we cannot but. I hope that we don't get to a place. Where these major corporations are asking audiences to put themselves at risk for their bottom line, which is in a way how capitalism works. I understand but like that to me. I can't wrap my head around that as an ethical situation and so I, find myself in the it being in the situation of loving movies and hating watching movies at home, and wanting to go to movie theaters, and carrying about this industry and understanding that if the theater's don't open, that also affects production, and that there's just a ripple effect of years of years of art that we care about and also employment. But hoping that this theaters don't open just because I don't think I can justify the risk reward of it. The handful of people that I know well who work inside of studios have been unusually locking key about this issue with me, so handful of folks that I talked to. Typically they'll say like Oh, well, actually the production on this movie was a disaster, or this is definitely going to be moving sort of general rumor mongering unrepeatable in this space, but that just kind of gives you a sense of how things are going. On this particular issue, everyone that I've spoken to. If I've said like. Is this movie really coming out? On July thirty first, or is this actually going to happen on August twelfth like I'm just trying to plan for the show and our coverage and you know. What should we do here? It's been a very flat, just sort of like. Yes, that is our plan and I. I don't know if there is a sense of it's not conspiracy, but just a sense of being buttoned up in a corporate fashion, so as not to reveal the the machinations, because I feel like the conversations must be happening inside these companies, whether you're talking about AMC, or whether you're talking about Warner brothers or any of the other studios that want to put movies into theaters. Must must be so much anxiety. I was looking through the list of. Open spaces in California yesterday after Gavin Newsom our governor issued another order to close the bars in seven counties through the state. And a lot of things are open and movie. Theaters are one of the few things that are actually not open in the state of California right now. Because of the risk that comes going into a space like that, so the I mean what do you think is? What do you think the conversation is internally in the movie industry right now? I'm sure there's a lot of panic on many different levels because the movie industry like you and I, and seemingly like most of the officials in America, political and scientific, also, which is again a conversation. We don't have to get into. They don't know anything like and some of that is because no one was prepared for this. And some of that is just because this is unknowable to an extent, we don't understand everything and you know the movie industry in particular, especially in a bid budget scale works. Six and twelve and eighteen and twenty four months in advance, and that's just not possible here and so I think there is probably a lot of panic in terms of people just not knowing how to make decisions because they're not used to. You can't turn these giant ships around that quickly or you can, but it involves a loss of money, certainly and planning and I am sure that causes anxiety for them, and it's just not clear what to do, they. You can't make the long term plans. For for marketing and releasing and production that this industry requires want to share with you a personal anecdote. Obviously we only had one show last week. I had to go home for a personal matter so I traveled I traveled across the country last week. Which means I got on an airplane. And I've shared on this show in the past, my Germanophobia and my general anxiety around the the conference of Germs, and at no time more than now has that been radiating off my body and yet? I went home and I traveled and when I flew. which is contained space in which people are sitting very closely together I I sat stocks still and only touch things that I had wiped down with a Lysol wipe for six consecutive hours. and. It honestly was not that bad. So you know I'm not I'm not advocating for the opening of movie theaters, because all of my other human interactions. When I was in New, York at home were were insane to me. No one was people were wearing masks. They were touching each other like it was all crazy, but the plane weirdly was the safest feeling experience that I had. Does that sound nuts, too? You know I have a couple of thoughts number one being that you sitting completely still for six hours and only touching services that have been licensed as like you every day and Just like not any different for Sean Fantasy. I don't think that that is insane and I'm sure in many ways. The the plane flight because. It is regulated and people are. There are systems in effect that people actually at this point we're four months in have had a lot of time to iron out, and also you know. Before covid nineteen, there were other infectious diseases that could be communicated in small spaces, so it's my understanding that airplanes in particular develop technology and ventilation technology to deal with some of so that that makes sense to me I think the other aspect of it. Is that you? Were traveling you for reason, and there is no other way for you to do what you needed to do. which was important? And there is a risk reward element to everything that we're doing here and. And some of that comes to personal ethics and justification. I can speak for my self year, but to me. There is a difference in I mean. Certainly like hospitals and grocery stores and essential services, you can't replace those, but even I think there is a difference in. What someone gets out of going to school and how replaceable school is too young children versus remote learning kind of the technology versus the experience, and what's lost what's gained and they're going to be a lot of debates about that and many other issues and and restaurants and other gathering places, churches, certainly, but movies uniquely seem to me to be a situation where the risk is just not worth the reward. Reward because we have a replacement. We have a replacement. Everyone can watch movies at home. There's no there's just and it's not as good I. I am sorry that I have been saying this for two years. It's not as fun. I haven't seen a good movie. In Two thousand twenty I have but I think. I saw them all in theaters and we're going to do an episode later this week and I was really scraping the barrel, honestly and putting together my list actually haven't finished it yet as a recording, this is like a behind the scenes big-picture situation because I don't. I don't know what to pick because watching movies at home sucks, but I just don't think that you can justify. Endangering. Of people and then you also think about it. We don't have to get too much until like outbreak and epidemiology here, but it's not just endangering the people in the movie theater itself right? It's not just like if everyone who goes to a movie theater decides okay well. I'm fine with it than everybody else goes what we find with it. It's just not how this works. He can't. It spreads so just. I can't justify it I. personally can't justify it. Yeah here. You think you have put your finger on something that is certainly not a way that we had considered movie going before. Which is as this ethical dilemma something that indicates maybe even how you feel about society or notions of freedom or personal health. Usually, this is an escape for people or a quest to discover something new, and really rarely nothing more than that so. You know and I tend to agree with you about watching movies at home at this a nice segue to just a very brief chat about a few movies that we got over the weekend. Which you know all of which I think are not great and I. It's a chicken or the egg thing it's like. Are we only getting the not great movies because they're not great, so it's okay to send those at home and studios or streaming services feel they have to cut their losses or is. Is it because when you have lost that theater experience I just feel like you and I are going to be talking about this for the next two years like when between now in vaccine is what this conversation is going to be in many ways on this show, which is unfortunate, but do there's something to it, so there were three new releases essentially big new releases over the weekend. The I was irresistible. which is Jon Stewart's? Let's generously call it a political satire which went straight to premium vod. The second was a movie called Eurovision Song contest the story of Fire Saga, which came to net flicks. The third was a movie called my spy, which was produced an expected to be released by S X theaters. But was pushed back several times. It was ultimately released by Amazon prime. All three of these movies are from extensively big or lease known figures. You've got Jon. Stewart with a movie, starring Steve, Carell, Rose Byrne and Chris, Cooper and bunch of other people Eurovision Song contest. Will Ferrell comedy too big time sort of big high-concept Will Ferrell comedy. My Spy Stars Day Teesta. Who is you know a rising movie star? All three of these movies are not great. In my opinion, I know that there's a strong Eurovision Song contest fan club growing out. There I didn't dislike it. I just thought it was okay. I don't. Did you get a chance to watch the Eurovision I did and my response to it was that I just interested in Eurovision enough in order to be invested in. In this movie. I think if you are a person who watches American idol as I know Sean, did and or and the Eurovision Song contest and I guess likes people singing I mean we run up against that a lot. I find singing pretty awkward. A majority of the time and this is the Eurovision Song. Contest is really leaning into that so I. Did Not find it to be my type of funny or like my type of diversion, even though I I like welfare ally like Rachel McAdams. Certainly, all the locations were very beautiful. Lots of Nice drone shots of scenery that I haven't seen. have no access. To But yeah, it was just it I. Think it's it found its audience. That's great I was not its audience. Yeah I guess I wasn't either, and it reminded me of the version of the Will Ferrell comedies that I am not as fond of it was a little bit like It was more than the blades of glory semi pro class of L. Movies, which was just to say that it seemed like they started with the setting before having idea for a movie. And that's you know sometimes you can get a great movie out of that, but in this case I thought it was okay and I was trying to wrap. Wrap my head a little bit around. Some of the kind of critical discourse slash fan discourse around the movie over the weekend. Because I saw the movie over a month ago and I was like okay, this is this is. This is fine, and this feels many ways like what we call routinely Netflix's movie and maybe people are just more desperate than they were before, maybe they. The Bar is moving somehow on. What is an acceptable or enjoyable movie during quarantine? What do you? What do you make of that? Fell a little bit of like a bridge between what we consider to be a typical netflix movie and kind of the old brawd CEO comedies of a decade ago. Right, it is like a a a specific setting. That is then parodied at length with you know big movie stars. Will Ferrell Rachel McAdams. It? You can tell that they spent a little bit more money on it. It just it felt actually slightly more considered even if Ultimately. It didn't add up to as much as I was hoping for and again I. Think it just didn't add up that much to me. Because I will never watch your vision youtube clip, it'd be sent it to me. Just don't send it to me. I won't click play it. It's not my thing. I know you is no. Let's talk briefly about irresistible, so Jon Stewart has been doing the rounds quite frequently. He's done a lot of interviews over the last few weeks. you know Stuart, obviously former host of the daily show and a longtime comedian and someone that people look to as A. A beacon for a kind of neo liberalism, you know a a seer of cynicism and somebody who can point to what's going on in the world and say here's what's wrong with it and I think some of the interviews he's given have been interesting. He gave a one two times magazine he has spoken to the pods save America guys. I heard him talk. A handful of times already and in every interview seems to at least have some sense of the tumult in the world right now seems to have some sense of looking at lesser of systems and institutions. He seems more interested in the abstract notions of how America works at this stage. And then want your resistible and. My reaction was like. Was this movie made in nineteen, eighty six like it was one of the most like antiquated like. Two soft, not funny, not cutting comedies about this space, this political world, which essentially all takes place I believe in a small county in Wisconsin where a farmer plans to run for local office, and in doing so he gets identified by basically democratic strategist who comes to this small town identifies this this man who's going to run for mayor as you know the future of the Democratic Party and then a kind of war ensues between the powerbrokers and the Republican and Democratic Party. I I think they're like a couple of things about this movie that we're fine or funny. Thing Rose Byrne. Going forward is something that I'm always into, but in general I could not believe. Jon Stewart made this. What was your reaction to it, I mean same. My reaction was that this was a movie made about the two thousand sixteen election. But the movie itself was made in two thousand six, and with two thousand six, thinking political views, which obviously is. When John Stewart was presiding over the daily show and It's it's fascination with a party politics and specifically the Democratic Party. Which listen I mean. I'm sorry to be. So close to politics throughout this episode, but let me just say like I I. I'm fine with the Democratic Party while also just thinking that it's so beside the point. This entire movie felt so beside the point of the world that we are living in, and even how we communicate it and a lot of ways that remember when John Stewart went. I believe it was on crossfire, and just like yelled at about CNN and crossfire for awhile and. and. That was fifteen years ago, and I watched the movie version of it, and it worked a lot better when it was just immediate clip to me. Yeah, I think we have to get the money out of politics is a a meaningful pursuit, but the just does not feel like the vanguard of conversation right now. It just doesn't feel like the past to compelling thought around what's going on in America and you know on the one hand I. I kind of feel bad for Stewart because I think he comes by a lot of this stuff. Honestly, but he's not a natural filmmaker and I think if you're going to be a political satirist and working in movies, your work has to look ahead. You have to be ten to twenty years ahead of the curve. You have to make face in the crowd. You have to make Dr Strangelove you have to make network you have to understand and. And if you're especially, if you're focused on sort of the intersection between media and narrative and money and politics, you can't be behind and as you said like. This just feels very behind, and it doesn't mean that he has to make a movie about black lives matter I. Don't think John Stewart should do that it. It does mean that if you're going to crane your neck at the sort of thing artistically during the time of Donald Trump. There needs to be more foresight. This really just felt like a look back. Yeah, I agree and I. Think particularly. If you're John Stewart, you need to evolve I, mean we're of the generation that learned about the political skepticism satire from John Stewart? Like I you know I remember when the daily show is essential watching even for me a person who does not watch comedy or late night, because that was just a prism through which a lot of people learn to understand the Bush administration and and party politics and money and politics, which again is an important issue as noted by Steven Soderbergh at the end of the LAUNDROMAT. Speaking of films that explore things in A. Slightly different ways. But it was a little dispiriting specifically to see John Stewart, who I think of is like a great political mind are not even political, but. A sociological. A mouthpiece and a critic of of our generation, and particularly the media to just kind of be stuck in the past, and because that is someone that I that I did look to as as a leader, which may be has its own issues, and you know you can't rely on anyone to be thinking for you forever, but it's. Something about this being from John Stewart I was like Really, that's all you got. Yeah I read a number of reviews of this film in there was one word came up over and over, and over again in easier, that word was toothless and I. Find that to be fascinating because. Stewart was the opposite of that on the daily show. I think the reason that the daily show. Became appointment viewing for a certain kind of person during that time was because it felt like that was the one place where you would get something that resembled unvarnished. Thought draped in comedy. You know, and that doesn't mean that John. Stewart was known Chomsky, but it does mean that he was presenting something that was not what was on CNN or was not what was in the pages of the New York. York Times I mean this is also during a time. You know sort of a post. Nine eleven moment in the media when things between I would say oh, two and oh. Eight were very complicated by the Bush presidency, and he reacted in a an intense way, and it's a fine way to what the status quo was, and this just feels like I. don't even know if it's the status quo. It's it's the status no Amanda. Wow, wow, you can I can I add one more thing. It's the three things pieces of culture that I consumed this weekend besides watching for this segment. We're about to do our irresistible. Eurovision and Jessica Simpson's Memoir Open Book. and. Why? Because it was finally available at the library I'm a big user of the libby APP as you know, and I was able to check it out, but it was only a seven day. Check out because it's very in demand. So I had read. It immediately stayed up way too late last night reading it anyway I was just GonNa. Say of the three things that I read in terms of basic storytelling, character development, but also sociological commentary both on their the. First. The first decade of this century the `oughts and the current moment, and also the music industry open book was far and away. The leader for me shot out to Jessica. Simpson Credible Cellino speaking of two thousand and five really is. Locked in a moment. Know I watched a lot of movies over the weekend. many of which are very old, and I'm enjoying having kind of like a late eighties early nineties, personal revival or getting two things that I saw when I wasn't really paying close enough attention to them and I'm enjoying that I did also start to rewatch the doctor sleep director's cut, which was released on Hbo Max and it dawned on me that this is. is sort of what HBO Max should. Before that you know when Dr Sleep came out I believe last October. We had our PAL Gober crews on the show talk about it. He's a Stephen King. Fanatic and expert and that movie was two hours and twenty minutes, and it was I would say a forty percent successful, but I liked that forty percent the three hour version thus far I'm not finished with it. is. Is is better, and and you know maybe. Maybe once again like weirdly, this should have been a TV show which I, I hate to say that out loud on on the big picture, but It just felt like the story was a little bit bigger and wider than what I aspire to be on the screen. So what is in it? That was not in original. Is it more like? soul-sucking Fairy Dust Rebecca Ferguson with the top hat is a top hat. She wears a top hat Yes, that that character is wonderful Rebecca Ferguson is wonderful in this movie or Ferguson is waterfall much like my reaction to? Why isn't the King of Staten Island about Mercer, Thome, and Bill Burr my take on on doctor sleep is why isn't this movie just about rose the Hat Weisensee movie just about Rebecca Ferguson and her band of crazy. Energy Vampires That's just been a great movie, and why I don't know why we need Danny. Torrance I didn't I. Don't Need Your McGregor in the movie There's more of everything thus far everything is just sort of amplified at stretched out, but to me like that is a great example of what streaming viewing could or should be giving me the longer version of a movie. That I'm interested in. You can only find it in this one place the new release films I think was struggling with. My spy is not really made for me I'm not going to be overly critical of it, but. It's not for me. Eurovision I thought was just okay irresistible. I thought. At times was kind of shameful and I can't tell if I would have felt differently if I would have. Big Box of Mike and. You know in a in a in a nice cocktail in a movie theater watching those movies. Maybe I would have been softened by them. It's something that I'm trying to evaluate my relationship to how I watch movies and what they mean to me when seen in a certain venue. and. I imagine that will be having a lot more in the next few weeks, We didn't get a chance to talk about Joel Schumacher. Who passed away last Monday at eighty years old. Schumacher is I would say. He was a controversial artist in Hollywood. Over the course of his very long career at times, brilliant at times amusing at times Gauche and absurd and You know I I. WanNa I want to ask you when you think of his movies. What do you think of, but I really had like twelve stages of movie making so for you personally when you hear Schumacher. What do you think of Batman and Robin? With his reputation, I know that thing I can say I was twelve years old I vividly remember seeing in theaters, I think it came out either the same weekend, or within a couple of weeks of my best friends wedding, and that was just a very formative time for Young Amanda at the Movie Theater and I. You know Silverstone is Batman and Robin so shot was that was important to me as someone who had seen clueless and. That's Chris O'Donnell. Is Robin Wright truly? Nineties deep deep cuts that no one else cares about but I think. I think my superhero. Relationship was like definitely formed in a Lotta ways by Batman and Robin possibly the first superhero movie I ever saw so maybe that explains everything that has happened on this podcast at for the last two years. That is that's a skeleton key I wish I had two years ago. I started talking through some of this stuff because I think that might have been the original Tim Burton Batman, which would also explain some of my interests in the in that genre movie Schumacher's interesting interesting dude. He started out his career as a costume designer and production designer. You know he he worked, and was very close with Halston, the legendary fashion designer He had a kind of keen sense of over the top texture in his movies I would say he was really about artifice, and making things seem bigger and bolder than they would be in real life in that way. He was very much like made to be a movie director. Especially a movie director in the nineteen eighties and nineties when that was sort of the style of the day as a costume designer, he worked on a couple of classic movies. He made those very famous handmaid's seeming science fiction. Sleeper He worked on the last of Sheila Movie. We've talked about a couple of times on this show. He worked on some Paul Mazursky movies. He worked on play it as it lays the Joan diddy, that application had a career as a screenwriter. He wrote a bunch of very notable. divers multicultural films from the Nineteen Seventies. He he, he wrote the whiz which symmetric this story Michael Jackson He. He wrote car wash. The famous ensemble comedy he wrote Sparkle of a beloved movie, that I was made aware of by all of the people I work to the vibe who are absolutely obsessed with it, and I had never heard of it until day about a aspiring singer in the music industry. And then as a director, he made a bunch of movies that we've talked about before on the show, not just Batman and Robin to say that he is the director of Batman and Robin. It's probably I. Think he would wear it with pride because he was a famously You know he was a gossip and he was a he was proud of the kind of absurdity of his work. But you know you and I are both on board with a time to kill. We've talked about that. He made to my two favorite John Grisham movies aside from the firm time to kill the client and he also was there really at the height of the Brat Pack, Saint, almost fire, and the lost boys and flatliners that trio of movies is. Even just being a few years older than you. Those movies were big in my life. They were on TV all the time. The Lost Boys in particular is something that I don't think I knew about until I. Honestly I think I learned about it from Gilbert crews, speaking of but I I understand that it is kind of like a ridiculous lead. Eighties touch point for. A lot of people and and has that sense of. Being a little extra and being is so absurd that you just kinda get swept away with it that I think I I don't see drowsy migrants, the director of Batman and Robin as A. As a negative statement, I think I'm probably the only person in the world. WHO FEELS THAT WAY? But I was young and there was a time at the movies. He's. He tended to do really well. I think with pulpy material, and with kind of like beach read adaptations he. He made a lot of other kinds of movies over time. A lot of people have been pointing towards falling down. Have you ever had a chance to see that movie I? Do not falling down. Is this Michael Douglas piece from the early nineties that I believe was? was made in the aftermath of the riots in Los. Angeles after the beating of Rodney King I I think I've got my time line right there and it's a story about a white guy who essentially snaps and roams through the streets of Los Angeles in pursuit of a kind of version of justice. Michael Douglas plays him as this sort of Horn glasses wearing buzz-cut. Agra White Man can imagine the problematic nature of this movie, not just in twenty twenty, but at the time when it was released on the one hand. I think it's amazing portrait of a person losing their minds trying to lake ape, a post taxi driver vision of the world, and on the other hand it's like completely tone deaf about the composition of Los Angeles about who makes the city move about who deserves power, and who is who has been served injustice and. Schumacher was like he could. He had bad taste. And I mean not in a good way like I mean that as a complement and sometimes that bad taste led him down unfortunate roads, but he was always very provocative maker of mainstream entertainment and I think that that's one thing that a little bit lost in Hollywood right now I. Don't think every movie should be falling down. In fact, most movies should never be falling down, but tiger land and phone booth and Veronica Garin these movies that he made always with movie stars always very glamorous version of a dark and dingy darkest timeline. A were interesting. They were compelling like he had. He had a handle on what Hollywood was for a long time, and for that I I think he's an interesting figure historically. He certainly has a very specific. The visual style and tone. You understand that you're in one of his movies as and. Carries through like a lot of different genres, and over several several decades. He had a he had if if not A. It's not a perfect life, certainly a great career and It's too bad. There won't be any more Joel Schumacher movies so. Let's take a quick break before we. We go to our list, okay? I'm so excited to introduce the Bakari Sellers podcast in partnership. With the Ringer, we're tackling the issues of the day through interviews with high profile, guests and conversations with a rotating panel of the country's best and leading thinkers influencers in writers. You know I'm not only an attorney and a former elected official. Sometimes you see me on CNN and I'm a new author of a new. 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I think because it is a particular genre that you and I both enjoy, and also because we have both been listening to the new season of you must remember this and you had green along worth on the episode last week, and I thought that was great i. Really sincerely recommend that season if you have not listened to it yet, but it is about how movies are made, and this is a really nerdy podcast, and we are really nerdy. People who are interested in that particular genre. Yes, Oh, we'll set some ground rules. Movies about making movies I think is a broad topic that could include a lot of different kinds of things that could be for example, a a bio pic about an actor or a documentary behind the scenes sort of thing. Going to be focusing on those things are ground. Rules are much more specifically about making a movie within a movie, so you know no hearts of darkness is going to be on our list. No burden of dreams are lost in La. Mancha Robert Downey Junior. Chaplain is not here. We're focusing on the making of something and that could be at any stage that could be at the. Idea conception stage could be at the production stage. It could be at the post production stage. It's just gotta be about making something so. Do you think we're. We've eliminated two good movies by being so narrow in our thinking. No, it's good to have boundaries in life as in five casts. That's just some free advice from Meteo I, think we both I I certainly stretched on a couple, but I think within the bounds I. You know the technically all of my selections do fit within our ground rules, which is important, and it gives us something to bump up against. You need in a podcast as well as in a movie. Do you feel like you learned a lot about the making of movies from watching movies like this. Yes, I, feel like it's pretty much. My the basis of my understanding of how all of these things. Come together, and you know one of my selections like that. I basically have the movie memorized, but there are very specific elements. Where the movie is my source and I do also think that seeing movies got me more interested in finding out more about how movies are made and getting into kind of the actual, this source tax or the more reported. Behind the scenes look at things, but I certainly needed like the Hollywood gloss to be interested in the process. You know it's interesting, because typically I'm pretty anti process. I I don't. I find the whole. It's just all about the craft, and here's my journey. kind of artists lament to be like pretty tiresome and often deployed as A. As an excuse or way to make up for the fact that the finished product isn't quite there, but what I like about these movies is that they are both about the process and about a process that I'm interested in, but also. Finished product itself is there. It's not it's. It's not covering up the holes in the story of the movies. I think all of these movies as movies. Yeah, I think all of them. At least the ones we've picked to are very subjective. You know they're not They're not methodological. Here's how you start to story. Board a sequence like they're they're. They're much more about the kind of emotional traumas or ethical dilemmas of people who happen to be in this industry. You know the same way that Westerns are frequently about sheriffs and bandits, and the problems that they have between them and movies about moviemakers are are very much. It's just a vessel. And it's interesting, too. Because this is like a sub-genre is still very active in our in the world right now. Just last year we had one of the movies That's going to appear on your list that we won't talk about yet. And we had. DOLEMITE is my name, and we had painting glory from a motive are. PEOPLE WANNA. Know I mean those are three of the most acclaim. Movies of the people still are interested in the the glamour and the struggle and the fascinations of the people who make this stuff. Yet one of kind of the criticisms that movies like this are often tagged with and becomes an Oscar talking point, or it was until at least about five years ago. They said you have like Hollywood loves movies about itself, and these are all just self justifications for Hollywood to still exist. and. That's true like that is true. Are All advertisements not just for? You know. Movies and and screenwriting and kind of all of the different aspects that go into making a movie, and that movies are important specifically for Hollywood you. You have a couple outside of the Hollywood system, but I. All of my selections are like Hollywood and they are ultimately about. The myth making quality of Hollywood and view of the world. That has been very successful and I have been under this way of my entire life, but I think ultimately. That sometimes the best way to. I guess justify our propagate that myth making is to. Examine it and ultimately with kind of one exception. We'll talk about it. Are All still propaganda for Hollywood but? I. It works on me. It does I mean I wouldn't be here doing this podcast without it. I mean the same is true for me. I mean my list is mostly almost entirely Hollywood with one sort of vague rare exception and I thought seriously about putting the classic new wave in European cinema that was obsessed with the deconstruction of movies on this sort of dissection of movies, and I watched contempt to prepare for this sean guards film I re watched day for Night Francois Truffaut's film about the making of a movie, thought a lot about eight and a half, which is one of my favorite movies ever made, which is this portrait of a of a director in crisis reflecting on his his life. And I love those movies, but that isn't really what I was thinking of when I was thinking of this. Listen this project I. Think I was thinking of Hollywood. Really, and that's that's certainly betrays are biopsies. You know we are Americans. We are obsessed with Hollywood in a way. I think that is probably a big criticism of this podcast is that we are in thrall to some of the myth making, but like we are who we are. And in a lot of ways, these movies also help instruct. Have you watch movies and and what you learn and what you respond to and people do watch movies differently and I. I have never hidden the fact that I did not go to film school and I am. The. person who just really liked Batman and Robin when she was twelve because i. Didn't know better. I don't know what to say for you I. Approach them as as popular. Entertainment I, in fact was sold on the Hollywood myth, and I know that it is a myth and. That in a lot of ways it does get in the way of art, but. We'll talk about this in the movies as well but. Artists, art versus Artists Entertainment, and can entertainment be arden. Is entertainment the highest form of art to me in a lot of? It is while I have respect for art for Art's sake as well, but it that that is just a that's my experience, and that's how I come to these movies, and with the full knowledge, also that the movies have definitely warped my brain to think that way. Yeah, and there have been. have been hundreds of movies about this subject, and there are a lot more than we can do. Our are sort of her bonus are also rans at the end of the episode quickly, but Let's jump on top fives. Normal you star, but I'm going to start this time. How do you feel about that? I think that's Great I. My my kicker is the real kicker. So that's going to say then you'll get the last word. My number five is called the bad and beautiful picture like this. What do they pay for? To compare scandal, and what scares the human race more than any other single thing. Dr Wars and And Goes Doc has light. This is a movie that have a long time. I was very excited to revisit and it is alarmingly alarmingly. Accurate to the moment. It was made in nineteen, fifty two is directed by Vincent Minnelli who? Is probably best known for his musicals. And his him certainly more glamorous would style films. This is a really morality play, and it's a it's a film that focuses on not the director and screenwriter actor, but really the producer Kirk. Douglas is the Star of the movie and he plays. A kind of toxic hero, and the construction of this movie so mart and so simple three people who had previously worked with this Kirk Douglas figure. are reconvened there at the top of their game. One of them is a screenwriter. One of them is a filmmaker. One of them is an actress and they have been called back by a colleague of Douglas's. Who wants to make his big comeback? And they get an opportunity to sort of talk through individual experiences with Douglas his character, who was cruel and manipulative and savvy and successful, and had extraordinary insight into what the value of these three people was in Hollywood system. I remember when Harvey Weinstein was finally taken down after many years a lot. People pointed to the bad in the beautiful in this Kirk. Douglas Character and this movie is very nuanced, especially for its time about what is and what is not acceptable in the process of creating art. And how much can you be bullied? How much can you be manipulated? How much kit what are you willing to sacrifice to make something that you care about and I? Don't think it's a movie that necessarily has answers, but raises a lot of questions, and if it valorize is Kirk Douglas's character a little bit too much. That's probably a product of the times, but it's amazingly shot. It's incredibly smart the kind. Kind of movie that if you when you see it, you can learn a lot about the way that it seems like film. Production Works in the Nineteen Thirties, forties and fifties. In fact, you know with Adam Neiman I talked about Thou Luton the very famous film producer when we were doing a horror episode, and there's a scene in the bad and the beautiful which had forgot that basically just explains how valvoline came up with how to make movies scary, which is that rather than show the monster? Just show the shadow and in the in this movie you see this Kirk. Douglas character working with this director and excavating what Val Luton's ideas were about how to make great scary movies. And that's pretty rare. You know it's pretty rare to see like that kind of nuts and bolts, thing that is true to Hollywood history, but also creates has has a lot of moral complexity so bad and the beautiful. That is my pick. That's a great pick in a Lotta ways. The nuts and bolts and how things work is a great setup to my number five pick. which is Notting Hill arrived outside. They thrust this thing into my hand. I didn't know it's my fault. I thought this would all be over by now I. Just wanted to sort of apologize for kissing thing I seriously. Don't know what came over me and I just wanted to make sure that you were fine about it. And when I alluded to movies that are pushing the boundaries of this, I anticipated some pushback on Notting Hill, but I would like to note that there are not one but three movies in production in the course of nodding health. Okay, there is carnivorous eating robots space movie, which is what's in post production, famous horse and Hound junket is covering this space robot movie by the way one of the best portrayals of A. Press junket that you will see on TV. In movies. There is this submarine movie that the Julia Roberts character is a filming? And she run lines for, and there is also the Henry James Film that she makes at the end because someone who means a lot to her. suggested it, and you actually do go on set. For the Henry James Foam, but obviously this is a movie about a regular Guy Falling, in love with a movie star played by Julia Roberts the regular guys played by Hugh Grant. Who is not? Regular and it's written by Richard Curtis and is it is a romantic comedy? is both like a very very sentimental view of movie stars? Also I think? Pretty unflattering portrait of Ninety s movie star. There is a lot of Meta Commentary I. Julia Roberts is great playing a version of herself, and she explains a lot of how movie stars work. There is the whole exchange about the nudity clause in movies and Mel, Gibson's bottom, and you may show the top of the, but but not the butt crack and. Mel, Gibson does his own ads work. Is I believe the actual phrase using so you know, and that's where I learned about the causes, a real thing that contracts and It's about how movie stars you know. Promote movies and pick movies and are treated by the press. But I think it's also a lot of ways it it encapsulates. Movie stardom really better than than any other movie, and is it pretty savvy? Expiration of kind of like how we the audience relate to movie stars. It's pretty one sided relationship even in the movie. Hugh grant just gets yelled at by Julia Roberts for two hours. And then she gives one speech and give so much chagall painting, and they live happily ever after. I yeah well, but don't model your real life relationships on this, but if you're looking to kind of understand what it is about a movie star that keeps people enthrall, and allows them to behave pretty badly. Julia Roberts does does Alec Baldwin as her American Boyfriend? Is Pretty Accurate and interesting, and depicts a lot of the power that particularly in the late ninety s movie stars had I. Think like there are a lot of great movies about fame. And this to me is a great. Movie about actual like movie stars and how they work and how we watch them. It's a great pick is also got one of the best meet cute. I, think in the history of Rom coms the bookstore sequence so good and so clever, and to kind of tells you everything. You need to know about both characters so early on such a big. Such a big fan of that. This is a good movie. This movie that if you were not the CO host of this podcast, I probably would feel like I could talk about, but since this is like that movie is in your. That's got to be in your your hall of fame. Right. Oh absolutely yeah, everything I did I did one hundred percent for memory. What like all of the quotes I tend make? No, it's for that. Sorry. If I got something wrong, but I've seen it a lot of times. My number four is also in my whole fam. It's a movie called who framed Roger? Rabbit came out in nineteen, Eighty, eight directed by Robert Zemeckis Raja Bone Lines Roger. Pleading. Heating. Roger. Let's look what it says. It says rather clumped rapid seen stars. If you listen to the back of the future episodes of remarkable, you may have heard Bill Simmons very casually dismissed this movie as not having aged well because of animation. Let me tell you right here. That is wrong. That is a bad take, and this movie is a masterpiece. Every watched it again. Recently. It's a it's A. it's very silly and kind of fascinating idea that. That essentially implies that animated characters are real, and they live in the real world, and they participate in the production of Hollywood movies. The movie actually opens with an extended cartoon sequence that then very quickly dissolves in it is revealed that is the production of cartoon, and that the cartoon is not drawn, but in fact produced and shot by real people, and this is obviously like a truly absurd premise and ridiculous kind of movie that. I think in many ways invents the this is for kids, but secretly for adults style movie You know it's? I believe it's rated PG, but it's got some pretty intense sequences of cartoon violence and got some. Heavy, sexuality with Jessica Rabbit I think she is the cartoon lady who changed the lives of many young boy, but more specifically I think it's an interesting pairing with notting hill, because it's really a movie, not so much about the making of movies, but about the scandals that the making of movies can produce, and it's a really smart about looking at the way that the media cover certain things looking at the way that ICONOGRAPHY can explain and explore where person's career can go, and it's weird to talk about the movies Highfalutin terms, because it is in many ways animated movie about a crazy rabbit, but It's it's very deep and thoughtful about the way that people can be exposed and. I don't know that necessarily taught me anything meaningful about the way. The movies are made because as we all know. Roger Rabbit is a cartoon, but nevertheless like it shows that like everything is kind of artifice like you know the way that a person is portrayed on stage artifice. The way that a person performs in front of the cameras artifice. There's very little that is real. There's a lot underneath that dark, and that's kind of where the movie ends up going, but. At the risk of doing a a college exegesis on who Roger Rabbit, I think. It's like a great portrait of a very similar time in movies that the baton to beautiful. so if you haven't seen in a while I would recommend returning to it. you Roger Rabbit. Person Roger Up Person I definitely remember seeing it at a young age. I think probably I was too young shift fully get all of the actual. Commentary I mean Jessica Rabbit I. Know What she looks like. That was the I. Remember that but. I. I think you're right that it works on several levels and I probably just missed. The larger level I think does also work as cartoon propaganda. That's nice. It works on you, and now you have a whole genre films that you love and that is. That's what that's what we want. The only thing that my only quibble with the movie, which is incredible, and has this dope Bob Hoskins, performance and Is really funny is why is there no question mark at the end of the title? I never understood that. It's just not grammatically correct. No because they. I mean it could be grammatically correct. It's an answer and not a an a question. Be Fragment like Comma. It'd be like Steve Stevenson Comma. Roger Rabbit I guess so I. Mean It makes a lot of sense in terms of internet headline conventions right now, so it's it's fine. I just I. Just I just I'm sorry that I'm just reacting to the world that we live in God forbid. Also I don't really need to much punctuation and movie. Titles and people get a little too cute with it, and that it can go very bad very quickly, you know. Hard disagree. I I love punctuation and movie title. What's what's your number for? My number four. I. Feel Very strongly that this is my number four, though I think it's kind of an unusual pick for me. It's adaptation. Nothing happens in the world. Are you out of your fucking mind? People murdered every day. There's. Genocide War corruption every fucking day somewhere in the world. Somebody sacrifices his life to save somebody else every fucking day. Someone somewhere takes a conscious decision to destroy someone else and obviously yeah, directed by Spike, Jones and Britain by off and. There is danger in putting adaptation on this list, because if adaptation is not written by Charlie Kaufman. And directed by Spike Jones. It's like it's a nightmare. If anyone else tries to do this, it's a complete self, indulgent nightmare and I talked a little bit about like. How can't. I'm not a fan of process and I. Just like really really can't stand it specifically when writers don't know what else to do. Their problems like don't do this. Don't do this because it will not turn out well and movies. Just use this as a crutch, but I. It's expertly done I think that. The screen you know it's obsolete. It's about a screenwriter who is hired to adapt a book written by Susan. Orlean New Yorker writer about called the orchid thief. And the The screenwriter played by Nicholas, cage. has some issues. He has writer's block. He's not able to adapt the script, and so it becomes like a really deeply Meta, layered process, a movie about the process of writing a script and about at station and Charlie Kaufman makes them stop its own character, and then other ridiculous things happen Meryl. Streep plays than. York! Writer Susan Orlean and It does manage to take the process of writer's block and turn it into a meditation about literally adaptation and and ambition, and what people are looking for and it and it brings out not just in the screenwriter character, but in all of the characters which is I think what justifies it. In my opinion, it also has the single greatest. screenwriting advice or just life advice ever given by Brian Cox I just that the. The two minutes fiefs that he gives about not wasting time. If we could just play it, because it's the only thing I think about just when watching movies really truly in life, it's transcendent. You can't find that stuff in life than you. My friend don't know crap about life and why? Are you wasting my two precious hours. I don't have any use for it. I don't have any bloody use for it. Yeah. Cox's basically playing Robert McKee the writer of story in the famous screenwriting Guru This is well before succession. It's an amazing sequence. Amazing pick can't believe. I didn't pick it myself definitely one of my favorite movies the last twenty five years and a brilliant story that might scare you away from the idea of trying to write a movie because. Kaufman going inside his own head, and almost creating a double for himself is just extraordinary stuff, and it's an amazing segue to my number three, which is also screenwriters movie, which I'll just talk about very briefly because I've talked about it many times on the show before, but it's Barton. Fink Brothers story of A. Playwright, who is? Sent out to California to work in the movies and to a wrestling picture, for Wallace Berry and complete anarchy and dissolution that comes with that pursuit and great. It's just a truly. Harrowing Tales of not taking a job that you shouldn't you know you don't own we? Thought no one cared about this picture thought the hell. Did you get that from you got this? I. Don't know what the hell you said to lick. The son of a bitch likes you in this their think he likes you. He's taken an interest. Never Make Lipid Nick light you. I. Don't understand. It likes you. Did just say to him I didn't say anything. He's taken a interest. There there are moments in life when you are faced with opportunity. That seems too good to be true. And when those things come along, examine them closely. Do not pursue them, because they will drive you mad and potentially end up in the loss of your own life, and Barton, fink is a crazy cautionary tale. It's a really funny and smart movie that's also about the same period of time I. Keep focusing on these movies that are about the thirties and forties in Hollywood. I promise. We'll get out of that period very shortly, but. Obviously John. gives incredible performance John Goodman gives an incredible performance. It's It's really a turning point I. Think for the Cohn brothers in terms of mastering their craft and becoming like major oh tours. I believe movie played can and Wonder Prize and It's just A. It's just a brilliant off the rails film. What's your number three minutes? My number three is a film that you and I have both talked about at great length on this podcast on other podcasts in our personal lives. It's a little film called once upon a time in Hollywood Quentin Tarantino A. Triple alliterative Improv, don't hear those two all. Okay, all right. We're all good. Don't go, we're done. That was fantastic. Moving on, we're in the Gordon. The best acting I've ever seen in my whole life. You. I very briefly thought about putting inglorious bastards on this list because number one I just love that movie and I also think that is. That's about. European filmmaking, but it's also about. Making a propaganda, which and And how film can be propaganda and the different what it can be propaganda for which is something? We were talking about earlier. But then I was like I can't put inglorious bastards on the list and not have once upon a time in Hollywood on the list about making movies in Hollywood I was like that's stupid. So I did once upon a time. I think that this is. A wonderful movie still every watch part of it last night. It's like honestly maybe the most sentimental of all the movies on my list, which is pretty funny You know it's not totally what you expect from Tarintino I guess, but that's all. That was kind of the revelation of this movie in general and. I find that it's theme about. The almost famous people, and the also rans, and giving a second chance and a dose of that that Hollywood dream to the people who didn't quite get it in real life. To be maybe the most Hollywood. Saying of all and I moved by every time. It's also very funny. Yeah, you picked up on something that I hadn't really occurred to me, but that is true for almost every movie on our list, and almost every movie that is in the runners up positions on my list. At least which is that these movies? The ones that work best I think are often frequently satirical, acidic cynical. They're made by people who have been burned and frustrated by what happens inside their workplace, just as I think if you and I were. Were to say right something about the state of journalism. Perhaps it would be somewhat cynical. Perhaps it would be somewhat Look a bit askew the world that we have been experiencing and I it's just an inevitable part of you very rarely see people at a very young age. Make a movie about making movies. It's always you know Quinton. Waited until his ninth film to make a movie about this adaptation comes after spike had made a few movies. Notting Hill as well well into Julia Roberts's Ron of of of celebrity. So. There's something kind of fascinating about taking a long look at something that you've spent a lot of time on concluding that this this place is full of villainy and crooks and bad actors and dishonesty. Yet I mean it's a great set of to our number two which we should talk about you and I picked the same number two. We did it independently in both put it number two independently. which is you know freak, you Our number two is the players. Well. Political scary political doesn't scare me. Politically scares me. Political Politically radical, but it's funny. It's funny. It's funny, political thing. It's a funny thriller to thriller, and it's all at once, so let's start well I. Want Bruce Willis. talked to him, it's a story about a senator. Bad Guy Senator I. He's traveling around the country on the country's dime. New, Sort of a cynical political thriller comedy. In the right spot, and anyway he has an accident. An accident becomes clairvoyant. So. It's kind of a political thriller family with a heart to heart and. And I think. This is review their only. Truly negative and vicious movie on my list, and we'll talk about that with number. One and I thought what you were just saying about how. So. Many of these movies are self, conscious and self hating true degree in their pointing out people's frustrations, and they're almost a venting mechanism for people to talk about their thwarted hopes and dreams. I. Mean You know put a bunch of artists in a room and let them talk about themselves, and it's inevitably what you get, but. Most movies still when bitching about Hollywood are kind of. Hollywood. They still want to be a part of it and the. The. Commentary and the anger and the frustration is. Fueled from. At least part from sense of longing. And this the player is both. Very much of the Hollywood. Studio moment of its time, and also just like has real contempt for it, and it's I think it's extremely vicious, and as we all know I, I like. Vicious things if you're going to go for it, go for it. Yeah! Let's set it up just a little bit, so it's obviously this is Robert. Rubin's big comeback after a fairly quiet nineteen eighty s in which he began to toil a bit, make it, you know directing theatre. Adapting plays making films. The Not a lot of people were seeing this kind of re announced him. I think to Hollywood and he did so by shitting over Hollywood. in no small part thanks to Michael Tolkien. Who? wrote the screenplay, which is just a diamond, just an absolutely beautiful piece of work unlike a lot of the other movies that we've been talking about which have been about making movies through the eyes of an actor or screenwriter, filmmaker, or even producer this through the eyes of an executive, and the executive is frequently villain. Is this movie Tim Robbins plays? A man named Griffin mill incredible name. Who basically finds himself in unfree Bogart esque newer movie when he? Kills a screenwriter who has pitched him a story. Accidentally, maybe not accidentally, it's unclear, but that death then spiraled him into this You know this mysterious story of. Success and what people will do to get ahead in Hollywood and It's very funny. It's very rude. It is absolutely a time capsule of Nineteen ninety-two Hollywood of the way that the studio system worked of the way that ideas were pitched this really, there's such great commentary even very early on when you see three different pitch sessions that Murphy sits in on the first one is with Buck Henry, the great screenwriter and actor and director who passed away this year, actually pitching the graduate to he, of course, wrote the original script for the graduate, and the pitch is like the it's might be the funniest thing in the movie. Incredible. And their series of other pitches we see Joan Tewkesbury, who wrote a couple of films including Nashville? She's pitching a film We see in another film about political intrigue. And in those sequences early on in the movie you can see the absolute contempt that all been has and token has for the studio movie making system and all of that surrounds this you know fairly wrote kind of mystery story about a successful guy trying to elude capture, but all of the Hollywood stuff is so precise, so cutting so funny is really it is like one of my favorite movies ever made. Yeah, it's it's unbelievably knowing. And every little detail from all the pitch scenes to the you know, it's like the studio lot in the parking. The car dance that is so stupid I honestly a little bit of Hollywood today. The water bottles that lunches contracts you know like the notes meetings. It's it's. It is expert and note perfect, and also just like every movie star of Nineteen, ninety-two in it. It's like over sixty cameos at which is like. Amazing and it's kind of the ultimate example like. Maybe not being within the system, but just like having a total mastery of this thing that you are skewering, and then just absolutely like plunging the knife in because you have all of the knowledge. It's it's really brutal. It's great. I love it. I would recommend it to anybody who gives a damn about movies, because it's a perfect time capsule, and it's got one of the all-time great endings. also had forget I had forgotten when I revisited that it features like one of the best Richard e grant performances ever as the screenwriter. Has the most iconic pitch that is like that the satire of the self, serious screenwriter is so so so good and token comes by it honestly because you know, he's brilliant, guys written some brilliant films and brilliant novels. But he's also he skewering. Parts of himself with that too I'll go I'll give you my number one My Number One's a little movie called boogie nights. Ever, heard of it, it's a real. Is Good. He made it fly. Film. I want them to remember. One of the greatest stories about filmmaking ever made and let me tell you something right now. Pornography is filmmaking and I told otherwise whether it's should be taken seriously certainly up for debate, obviously as Paul Thomas Anderson, second feature film seen through the eyes of unlike Notting Hill, which is about a seasoned movie star. This is about the rise to fame of a Nayef and Dirk Bigler, who is? Brilliantly portrayed as a complete intellectual cipher by Mark Wahlberg and features one of the all time great. Ensemble Cast Speaking of Robert Altman movie, hugely influenced by Robert Altman movie that travels across an entire decade that looks very closely at people who are obsessed with making something one of the hallmarks of a lot of altman's films. It's just electrifying to this day twenty twenty three years later Certainly in the Pantheon of my favorite things, I've ever seen I saw at just the right age. Fifteen years old in this movie came out. Not, just because I was excited about the idea of a mainstream movie talking about porn, but specifically because that obsessive quality about building something together I think is really powerful in this movie, and also how easily that thing that you try to build can blow up so. It's just. It's one for the ages. It's a great pick speaking of other little seen movies that. We've never been talked about. No Shame I. Go Unites Man. Sometimes, you need to be my number. One is seeing the rain. Look. The might right here in the bush. Now you talked. The sound goes through the cable to the bucks, a man records I'm a big record in wax, but you have to talk into the mic I in the Bush. Giant again, perhaps you. You've seen it a million times and it. Brings you joy, if somehow you don't know what singing in the rain is a nineteen, fifty, two musical. Directed, by gene, Kelly and Stanley and starring Gene Kelly. Donald. O'Connor And Debbie Reynolds and it is the greatest movie musical ever made pretty much. No one disagrees with that right. I mean I'm sure people do. I don't really want to hear from you a few, but. Common Wisdom One of the greatest movie musicals overnight would say it goes Tom Hooper's Les Miz. Number One then singing in the rain to yeah. And shirt whatever. And then. What. If what if the great classic Hollywood movies and this to me? Is in addition to just bring being joy and movie that I watched whenever I feel sad. I. Last night I was kind of doing my homework for this movie and singing in the rain is available on Hbo Max as a part of the the TCI collection I believe, and I was like you know what I'll just watch twenty minutes just to make sure to refresh it, and then I stayed up watching the entire thing like far too late, because it is such an injection of joy, but it is also a great example of in terms of being a movie about making movies a great example of having your cake and eating it, too, because it's A. It's I wouldn't say it's quite cynical, but it is a movie. It set in the twenty S, and it is about the transition of Hollywood from silent films to. Talking movies and it is really about like the first musical ever made, and it is knowing and makes fun of the studio system and the studio machinery and movie stars. There is just a all time performance by Jean Hagen as Lina Lamont who is the silent film star who has a terrible voice and no one wants to hear her talk. which you know still resonant, one hundred years later for many Hollywood actresses, but also. They. They make fun of it, and they make fun of how the entire industry is thrown into disarray because of this transition, and and who stays and who doesn't. It, you know that scene when they're trying to save the movie, which I believe was called the dueling cavalier, and then becomes the dancing cavalier, and they're like okay. We need a plot. Okay, we need like You know it's just it. It's pretty funny and for being one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two, so has a lot to say about kind of haphazard -ness of how movies get made while also having. Just like some of the greatest pure movie magic I've ever seen in terms of the dance numbers. You just can't top good morning or Moses supposes. Singing in the rain completely iconic imagery. While also being a commentary about how movies are made a plus stuff. I agree. An undeniable movie, definitely the portal to old Hollywood for me I think for some people. It's a wonderful life for Casa Blanca or maybe gone with the wind something like that. This was the movie that got me interested in old Hollywood as a teenager, and I think it was because it was about making movies. I think for the same reason that like these movies resonate so much. They're they're sort of. They're all self reflexive. You know they're an use the word knowing lot and I. think that that's a hallmark of most of these movies. Is You go in? At I I guess with the highest level of interest. You go in knowing a lot about what's what happens inside of this system. This business this closed loop. This otherwise closed loop and I think the best place to go after watching movies like this is to go to some of those movies. We didn't put on our list. Those sort of like the burden of dreams is the lost and launches the the movie is. is about what actually happens when you're on the set. Because for the most part, I find most of these kinds of satirical clever films to be very accurate at least as far as I understand how movies are made, but not always, and in fact, sometimes will really happens, is even more extravagant and ridiculous and impossible seeming than what's actually in the stories that these people are trying to tell Did you have any? Runners up that you wanted to cite. Almost put somewhere by Sofia Coppola on this list. And then it did not pass the test of the the movie within the movie isn't named. Know there. Is that great scene when Stephen? DORF is sitting there waiting, having the. The plaster put on his face for the mask, which is a great summary I think of being an actor and a lot of ways as well, but it it. It was more about the experience of being an actor or being Francis Ford Coppola daughter than the about the actual making of a movie, so I didn't include that I also didn't include Hail Caesar which have a lot of affection for? But just. To me. These the moves that I put on my list standards, movies and kind of again. Have the happy endings for the most part in Hollywood. He stuff that I. Look for it, whereas Hail Caesar is just a little bit more like very clever commentary to me at least, but that doesn't mean that I don't think about it all off I. Mean Alden Ehrenreich. We thought you had a whole career sir. Would were Yeah I I agree I like Hell Caesar a lot I couldn't couldn't put Barton Fink, and Hail Caesar both here I can only stand so much. I guess There's some classics. Talk Me, and we didn't talk about all about eve, which isn't frequently about the making of something, but as absolutely about the star machine which you've talked about a lot here. I wanted to put Mulholland drive on here and I didn't but that is in many ways, really about kind of the making of a film. Never Forget Justin throws scintillating portrait of a very pretentious film director the one that I left off. That is a little bit hard to watch these little bit hard to find that I really liked. Great deal is Albert Brooks is real life, which is a movie is often credited as kind of priests aging reality TV, and it's about a man who goes into a regular old family's home captures their life. For Public Television and it's inspired by PBS series from Nineteen Seventies. I think it's Brooks's first film, and if you can get your hands on it, it's really clever. Really smart does a lot of that does a lot of the stuff that I wish irresistible. Did you know that I was mentioning that sort of that strangelove does and the network does it like Kinda sees the future of where movies are going where TV is going and then the last one I just wanted to sign a state in Maine which is David mammoths very cockeyed satire of the making of film in a small town in New England. which you know has certain storylines that are a bit rough for example, Alabama's characters predilection for teenage girls, not really what you want. But it also features some. Amazing dialogue and absolutely gut wrenching Philip Seymour Hoffman performance that is so precise and fun and smart and sad desperately made me WanNa. Do a Phil Hoffman of this show, my absolute favorite actor. and. Also thought about the aviator which I haven't really watched in a long time can't tell you something. I re watched the eight on vacation last year, or every watched two thirds of the aviator on vacation last year and I couldn't really tell you why Strange Movie! I think it's Ok that you left it off. This I mean it's obviously. Interesting and it's very funny to see. Kate Blanchett just doing a street like Hepburn impersonation that she's like won an Oscar for, but that's okay whatever I like Katherine Hepburn. And you know there are lots of planes flying around in the air, which is exciting I. IT'S EIGHT IS A. It's a movie that loves and is obsessed with all the history as much as you and I are, but it's like maybe slightly to mired in it. That would be my take on it. And recreating rather than Kinda excavating as it were, but. Who Am I. To tell any of those individuals what to do? Yeah. You know in the face of all the Irishmen Scorsese. That we did last year for whatever reason this just didn't make it into my rewatch pile, but I'm gonNA I'm GonNa Watch it again at some point because it's there are stretches of it that are definitively about Hughes's filmmaking career I feel like we put together a pretty good list I feel like the haters are going to say that. We were to Hollywood focused than to them. I, say. How. Pleased chill. You alluded to this earlier, but later week. We're going to be doing a best of twenty twenty. List so far this year episode with Adam Name and are you. Are you excited about that? We're like how many of the five you have listed right now. I have three, though only two that I feel really fixed on. And? I'M GONNA put on my creativity hat. Am I positively at before this podcast? And so we can talk about the good in film, and not the frustration in film right now it can be a time for celebration. How about that? Okay? So just a preview number five? You've got trolls. World tour. Number Four. You've got scoop. Yeah which I've seen for sure. So I've seen it and so my last. Number three What's up there? Do Little Right. Yeah. That was this year. Wow, okay. BIRDS OF PREY also this year number two. You're giving away your whole list early and don't forget Natalie Wood. What remains behind? Okay well, if you're excited about hearing about movies that came out in two thousand twenty. Hopefully you'll tune into US later this week. Amanda thank you for doing this.