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"The story. The stunningly blue hope diamond has been on display at the Smithsonian Museum in Washington. Dc since nineteen fifty eight. Despite the fact that it's one of the museums most popular displays. The diamond has never been able to escape the rumour that it is somehow cursed but could it really be cursed as we sat at the beginning of this episode. This particular mystery offers two answers. The diamond is either cursed or it isn't to consider. The question of whether the diamond is really cursed. We should I look into the nature of curses and our social obsession with them. Most people are superstitious in some way or another according to a twenty eighteen poll by YouGov about thirty percent of Americans believe in curses in some form and the hope diamond with its widely publicized. History has an air of authority to its own mystery that even lead skeptics to believe that something is not right with the stone. The presses relationship with the hope diamond plays a large role in keeping the legend of the curse alive. We've discussed the fates of jump of Tavern. Yay and King Louis the fourteenth the first to Europeans to possess the stone who both died painful deaths but there is another figure from the same time who was once believed to be another early victim of the curse of the hope diamond. There is a story of a man named Nicolas fouquet a superintendent in the court of Louis. The fourteenth who borrowed the diamond shortly before he fell out of favor with the king was arrested for embezzlement and ultimately died in solitary confinement. Now we didn't mention fouquet in our last episode. Despite the fact that he has long been named as one of the victims of the hope diamond curse. That's because he almost definitely wasn't fouquet was arrested in sixteen sixty one and Tavernier didn't sell the French blue to King Louis. The fourteenth until sixteen sixty eight there was no way he could have borrowed the diamond. Nicolas fouquet was a false victim. He was easily proven to have had nothing to do with the hope diamond and yet his name has appeared in articles about the hope diamond curse some published as recently as two thousand eighteen. You might wonder how fouquet even became associated with the hope diamond the answer the same nineteen eleven New York Times article that reported on the sale of the hope diamond to Evelyn and Ned McLean and published a history of the diamonds victims. We mentioned this to illustrate that there is a lot of misinformation about the hope. Diamond the curse and it's alleged victims and that misinformation has only added to the suspected mystery. So let's discuss the quote unquote facts of this case. If we accept that there is a curse. Then how did it begin? There are a few possibilities here. Probably the most popular is that Jean Baptiste. Tavernier unleashed occurs when he first acquired the blue diamond recall the Tavernier's claimed to have purchased the diamond but no record of the seller exists in any of his notes. It seems possible if not likely that. Tavernier's stole the diamond from Temple in India. His journal account of the curse thief who perished at the Temple doors after trying to remove a blue diamond feels like a projection of his own fears and experiences in stealing the diamond. So the question then would be whether the curse apply to Tavernier's specifically or if it's stuck with a diamond as a changed hands a Tavernier's life definitely took a downward turn after. He acquired the diamond during the sixteen. Sixty S Tavernier had been rich successful merchant beloved by his wealthy customers in the European nobility but in the sixteen eighty s Tavernier's was exiled from his native France by Anti Protestant legislation and acted by King. Louis the fourteenth the very man. He had sold the French. Blue to Tavernier's vanished from the history books. Shortly after that it would be a hundred years before anyone found his grave in a Russian cemetery. Remember Tavernier was said to have met his demise at the hands of vicious wild dogs but looking into the research. There's actually very little proof of this. That version of the story actually comes from the Nineteen Eleven New York Times article and the writer seems to have gotten it from Pierre. Cartier the merchant to sold the diamond to Mcclain's as to the question of how Cartier came by that knowledge. Well maybe he was just really invested in making that sale so the Tavernier account is interesting if not one hundred percent verified but how do you then account for all the other people who seem to have met their end because of their contact with the hope diamond a second theory about what caused the curse comes from an ancient Indian belief about the inherent power diamonds possess this belief states that diamonds hold the powers of the Gods cutting them too much runs the risk of releasing that power and even insulting the gods but in the sixteen hundreds Europeans preferred demands to be cut to have sharper edges and angles in sixteen seventy three? Louie the fourteenth had the French blue ricotta from rough natural shape too the more popular french-style in doing so he removed nearly forty two carats of mass from the diamond. If there were any godly powers held within the BLUESTONE. Louis the fourteenth almost certainly released them Louis. The fourteenth died of senile gangrene his lavish spending and dedication to creating an absolute monarchy. Set the stage for the French Revolution that saw the end of his dynasty. In the absence of proof the Tavernier really was killed by wild dogs. Louie the fourteenth seems to be the first confirmed victim of the hope diamond but again the question remains of whether that means that the diamond carried the curse with it after all Francis. Hope Mayo He. And the Mcclain's never had the diamond cut as far as we know and they still suffered tragedies while in possession of the diamond on the other hand Harry Winston did have the diamond slightly re-cut reportedly to help emphasize the diamond's brilliance. And as. We've said he never seemed to suffer from any kind of great tragedy. If cutting the diamond was the cause of the curse the curse itself would seem rather inconsistent which leads one more theory about what brought about the curse if there was a curse at all there is one train of thought that puts forward the idea that all blue diamonds by their nature are cursed. They're certainly rare. But if this is true what would be the linking factor between every single diamond after all? It's not like there are many famous blue diamonds. That are also believed to be cursed. What makes blue diamonds special? What even makes them blue. In the nineteen sixties a group of scientists set out to answer that exact question in one thousand nine hundred sixty five the Smithsonian loaned the hope diamond to a South African museum is part of an exhibit. A team of South African scientists was granted permission to examine the diamond under shortwave ultraviolet light to observe the diamonds phosphorescent capabilities. Unlike other more common diamonds blue diamonds contain no nitrogen but instead have trace elements of Boron which gives them the type to be classifications type to be diamonds can actually absorb high-energy lights and emit them for a short time after exposure prior to nineteen sixty five all blue diamonds were known to glow in blue or green colored light after a period of UV EXPOSURE. But when the South African scientists bay the hope diamond in Ultra Violet light. They were presented with a radically different result. The scientists stood in darkness around the hope diamond. Baffled by what they were seeing the diamond didn't glow blue or green. It glowed a deep. Hugh of blood. Red Team was awestruck. None of them had ever seen anything like it before and none of them could explain why the diamond glowed in such a unique color. Most of them assumed it was a clear signifier of the diamond sinister curse the mystery of the hope diamond's red glow remained unsolved until two thousand eight when Jeffrey Post the curator of gems and minerals at the Smithsonian repeated the UV test. As before post team Baid the diamond and UV light after it had emitted the mysterious red glow. The team used spectrometers to measure readings off the diamond. The results were fascinating. The hope diamond did have a green glow but that green glow was far less intense on the spectrum than the red peak post then repeated the test a number of other blue diamonds. The hope diamond was believed to be the first and only blue diamond that glowed red but post discovered that all blue diamonds glow red just at lower intensities than the hope diamond that we can't see without scientific equipment. It is the size structure and density of the diamonds that determines which color of light we see with the naked eye post theorized that the hope diamond had a higher concentration of Boron than most other blue diamonds and thus it's red glow was visible to human eyes and it's green glow was not even among the ultra rare class of blue diamonds. The hope diamond is unique unique. Yes but can. Anyone really claimed that it's cursed. Mesa all we've learned about the diamonds history and the elemental makeup that distinguishes it from other precious gems. I'd say no. There is no curse consider the personalities that would be drawn to a jam so big and valuable Louis. The fourteenth wouldn't have somehow been a better king if he'd never come across the diamond. The French revolution would still have happened. Francis Hope would his splurged his money away with or without the diamond in his possession and the same can be said for Ned and Evelyn. Mclean the hope. Diamond is rare even among the rarest of jams but it's Kerr's seems more like a circumstantial byproduct of the lifestyles that its owners lead as they say more money more problems and you would have needed a lot of money to count yourself among the owners of the hope diamond today the diamond arrests in the Smithsonian Museum in Washington DC where anyone can come observe it. Perhaps for everyone's sake that is for the best deal thanks. Again for tuning into unexplained mysteries. We'll be back Thursday with a new episode. You can find all previous episodes of unexplained mysteries as well as all of podcasts..

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15:07 min | 6 months ago

"jean baptiste tavernier" Discussed on Parcast Presents

"Course of his travels. Taverny transported tens of thousands of diamonds back to Europe. He was massively successful. As a trading merchant respected by European and Indian royalty alike during one of his six voyages to India most likely his last which lasted from sixteen sixty four to sixteen sixty eight. Tavernier came into the possession of a heart shaped rough cut blue diamond. That was just over one hundred twelve carrots in size to put that into perspective average size of an engagement ring diamonds about one carat the approximate dimensions of Tavernier's diamond ring about one and a quarter inch in length just over one inch in width and a half of an inch in thickness. That's roughly the size of a sliced deviled egg. Tavernier's sketched the blue diamond in his memoirs. Titled The six voyages of John Baptiste Tavern. He named the jewel Tavernier's Blue Taverny didn't specify specifically where he found the diamond. In fact he's notably vache about how and when he even found the diamond in the first place in the sixteen hundreds. There were a number of ways. European merchants could acquire diamonds many of the Indian cities head diamond markets where sellers and buyers could haggle larger diamonds could be purchased from higher ranking officials or a merchant could go to an active diamond mine and trade with the owner directly all diamonds overtaken carrots. Were supposed to be sent to the Indian government but it was common practice for mine owners to hold back the diamonds for themselves. This practice created a black market for undeclared diamonds and even encouraged thievery in his memoirs. Tavernier included a chart with a detailed drawing of the Taverny blue along with drawings of several other diamonds. He acquired in his travels. This chart references a page of notes. That this far as historians are concerned doesn't exist anymore. These notes could have contained the account of how Taverny a got the incredible blue diamond. Of course Taverny could have deliberately made an effort to suppress the story of how he got. The diamond in his memoir. Tavernier's conveys a tale with supernatural implications set at a temple in India. He writes a thief. Who stole a diamond from one of the idols in the temple? Only to find himself trapped inside when he finally managed to get the door open. The thief was struck dead before he could set foot outside. The temple. This tavernier wrote was a punishment for defiling the temple. Some theorists believe this passage wasn't just an anecdotal tail but Tavernier's disguised confession that he stole the Blue Diamond and unleash the curse in the process. Ancient Indians believed diamonds were more than just valuable gems. They had real other worldly power. One of the oldest Indian Sanskrit texts. The Rig Veda speaks of a god named Indra. The text says quote. Indra is thunder. What is thunder the diamond lightning and quote this ancient? God was often depicted holding a bolt of with a large diamond to power. It diamonds reviewed as gifts from the Gods in some cases. Ancient Indians believed they were the bones of God's as Taverny noted many idols representing God's in Indian temples were encrusted with large diamonds. Diamonds gave God's power to protect people from evil and cultivate goodness in men if Taverny stole the diamond from an idol. The diamond would be cursed. All who came into contact with it would fall victim to the curse regardless of how Tavernier came across the blue diamond. He journey back to France after his six voyage in Sixteen. Sixty eight at that point. Tavernier was a famed purveyor of diamonds and had a long registry of customers in Europe and no customer was more loyal or more obsessed with foreign diamonds then Louis. The fourteenth King of France Louis played a large role in creating the diamond market in Europe during his reign from sixteen. Forty three to seventeen fifteen. He couldn't get enough of the gems and he had the money to buy as many as he wanted. His lavish spending encouraged others to follow suit. Naturally Louis and Tavernier worked well together in December of sixteen sixty eight Louis. The fourteenth purchased forty seven large to medium sized diamonds and over a thousand small diamonds from Taverny. This massive order included the Tavernier Blue Louis paid nearly nine hundred thousand French lira. Which equates to about eight million dollars? Today Louis also agreed to grant tavern a patent of nobility and bestowed upon him the title of Baron but despite their relationship which by all accounts was warm politics of the time would soon drive a wedge between the two men and thus the curse of the hope diamond would bring about. Its first recorded bowed. Misfortune Louis the fourteenth adored the Tavernier blue but he was unhappy with the rough cut shape of it. So in sixteen seventy three. The king ordered the Gem re-cut to the more popular French style. The cut trimmed off nearly forty. Two carats of mass. The remaining sixty nine carat jewel still heart-shaped was accented with many facets shines brighter than ever as noted earlier ancient. Indians believed diamonds had supernatural power to the Indians. Et diamonds. Value was noted by size. Not Shape which was why. Indians rarely if ever cut their own diamonds. The bigger the diamond the more powerful IT WAS. Indians believed cutting diamond would reduce its strength and may even anger the gods to cut a diamond was to risk a curse. This is notable because some theorists believed that the curse didn't actually begin when Tavernier time diamond out of India it was king. Louis who unleash the curse. By cutting the sacred stone cursor. No things started to go badly for tavern and King Louis as the seventeenth century ended in the eighteenth century began in sixteen eighty five King Louis. The fourteenth revoked the Edict of nonce. A French law protecting non-catholics that had been in place. Since fifteen ninety eight louise aim had been to unite his subjects under a single denomination but in reality he merely re exposed Protestants and other non Catholics to religious persecution French. Protestants were given a choice. Convert to Catholicism or leave. France Tavernier was Protestant and he wasn't crazy about being forced to renounce his religious beliefs. But he knew that he would lose his newly bestowed noble tidal. If he didn't comply he decided he would leave. France and make a seventh voyage to India. That voyage never happened and Taverny vanished from the historical record. For a time he resurfaced in sixteen eighty nine in Moscow where he was trying to gather the resources to fund another trip to India. As far as the historical record is concerned Jean Baptiste. Tavernier was last seen alive at a government building in Moscow. After that he seemed to disappear from the face of the earth no one he knew ever heard from him again. It would be centuries before anyone found out what really happened the curse. It seemed had claimed its first victim in August of Seventeen fifteen louis. The fourteenth returned from a hunting trip. He complained to his doctors of a pain in his leg. Within days it was clear that the king had contracted senile gangrene. He died on September. First with Tavernier's fate a mystery King Louis. The fourteenth was the first recorded owner of the French blue diamond to die a most painful death. He would not be the last. We'll cover the French blues part in the French Revolution and its sudden disappearance after this now to the story. Tavernier's blue diamond known as the French. Blue came to France in sixteen sixty eight at the height of the Empire's power when it finally vanished.

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13:43 min | 7 months ago

"jean baptiste tavernier" Discussed on Parcast Presents

"Was on. Its Way to England but I it had to survive the streets of Bombay India and some of its rougher areas it passed through unscathed and once it reached London it was put an iron box and deposited in the government treasury on July third eighteen. Fifty the deputy chairman hand delivered to Buckingham Palace for the Queen. But as it crossed into Britain's epicenter it brought with it the whispers of suspicion. The legend of this diamond that it carried a bad luck curse became a rumor that swept the nation in many were wary of its potential power this curse is reminiscent of the curse that came with the great mogul diamond the similarities between that and the Kohinoor are stacking up and this curse only made the Kohinoor more alluring in England. It debuted in the great exhibition in the Crystal Palace in Hyde Park people came in droves to view it. It was the toast of the town but then people started to talk and criticize the diamond. The main note was that it didn't shine as brilliantly as everyone had hoped and there was one important man who agreed with the sentiment. Prince Albert Queen. Victoria's husband so he ordered it. Be Re cut and polished. Prince Albert hired a Dutchman vermonter reputable diamond cutter who travelled to London to do the work. This process took thirty eight days. The GEM now weighed one hundred five carrots but the re cutting allowed. It's face to reflect more light so it appeared to be brighter and more brilliant clean. Victoria began wearing it as broach. There's a photo of her taken in eighteen. Eighty seven in which is in diamonds but the Kohinoor stands out as the largest and most notable. The stone wouldn't stay in. That broke forever though. It was eventually placed in the center of a Royal Crown and Queen. Alexandra Victoria's daughter-in-law was the first to wear it. Then in nineteen thirty seven the Kohinoor was reset into a new crown and the Queen. Mother began wearing it. The Queen Mother refers to Elizabeth Angela Marguerite Bowes Lyon the wife of King George the sixth and the mother of Queen Elizabeth the second and Princess Margaret. She even wore it at her own funeral in two thousand two. That was the last time the Kohinoor made a public appearance. The diamond remains in the crown and now resides in the jewel house in the Tower of London. There's been much controversy surrounding the true of this diamond Indian. Government officials have repeatedly demanded it be returned citing that it was forcibly taken during England's colonisation of India. According to an article from the Telegraph posted in two thousand sixteen the Ministry of Culture said quote the government of India further reiterates. Its resolve to make all possible efforts to bring back the Kohinoor diamond in an amicable manner and quote and the controversy continues to this day but the history of the Kohinoor prior to being in British hands is muddy. And it's hard to verify who exactly owned it or where exactly it came from other than a mine in Gull Kanda the same area. The great mogul diamond came from. Could this mean that the Kohinoor was indeed the great mogul diamond at one point? And perhaps it was only its name. That changed a meteorologist by the name of James Tennant thinks so he believes that the Kohinoor displays similarities to the great mogul described by expert jeweler. Jean Baptiste Tavernier. During his study of IT tenant rights quote. The KOHINOOR had a flaw near the summit. Which being on a line of cleavage parallel to the upper surface may very possibly have been produced when the upper portion was removed and quote. If you'll recall much of the great mogul was removed in the mid sixteen hundreds when Shaw Johann had cut however the Coen ores wait never matched up with the great mogul. According to record the last known weight of the Great Mogul was two hundred. Eighty three carrots but when the Cohen nor made it to England it was only one hundred eighty seven carrots. Some historians believe that. This is because jean-baptiste have rene may have recorded an inaccurate weighed when he wrote about the great mogul in his report. Interesting putting the Kohinoor aside for a moment there's another name another identity that the great mogul could have assumed it's time to hear the story of the Orlov diamond which ended up in the hands of Russian. Empress Catherine the great in seventeen sixty eight. This story is steeped much more in mystery legend and criminal intrigue and it begins in the temple of wrong in southern India. It's unclear how this legend originated but it's closely tied with the Orlov inside a temple. Dating back to the mid seventeenth century stands a statue of the Deity. Lord Ranga Nafa. His eyes were composed of two stunning diamonds. In the mid eighteenth century several countries were competing for territory in India in what is known as the Karnad wars during this time. A French soldier abandoned his post and deserted his unit going under the radar. He found a job near the town of three wrong as he worked. He listened to the locals. Speak of the temple and the idol. -taining the precious jewels. This Frenchman's desire was sparked any knew he had to steal the diamonds. But this would be a most impossible mission. Why because only Hindus were allowed in the temple and the statue remained in a sacred space several enclosures deep so the Frenchman converted to Hinduism and gain the trust of several priests. Who worked in the temple? Eventually he gained access inside and as he continued to prove his devotion he was given the task of Guardian to the Central Shrine. Not long after he began serving. They're a storm struck the land and the Frenchman found himself alone inside the temple. He saw his window of opportunity. He approached the statue stared up at the gleaming. Diamond is and began to pry one from. It's socket until it came free after this. He must have gotten scared because instead of prying out the other diamond. The Frenchman fled. He climbed the temple. Walls managed to swim across a river and navigated the nearby jungles until he reached the city of Madras there. He quickly sold the diamond to a British Sea. Captain for much less than it was worth probably so he could get out of the area quickly with some money in his pocket and maybe he was afraid of possible curse. It was rumored to carry after that. The diamond was sold several times by different merchants until it was purchased by a man named Shaw Friis. He was an Armenian diamond dealer. Living in Amsterdam the year was seventeen. Sixty eight twenty one years after the great mogul disappeared following the deer. Shah's assassination count Gregory Gregoria. Vich Orlov bought the diamond from SCHAAF. Ross in Amsterdam like the Frenchman or love to was on a mission but instead of stealing a jewel he was looking to steal back a heart. The heart of Catherine the great born in Prussia in seventeen twenty nine and originally called Sophie Catherine was the daughter of a German prince who didn't have much money to his name but what he lacked in funds he hadn't connections and Catherine was married off to Peter the third of the Romanov dynasty in Seventeen forty-five hardly match made in heaven. The two couldn't stand each other. Peter inherited the throne in seventeen sixty two but he was strongly disliked by his people including his wife who decided to take a lover Count Orlov. They began an affair and with the help of a secret group of conspirators planned the assassination of her husband. Peter once the assassination was carried out in seventeen sixty two catherine became empress. The throne was hers. It was a new horizon involving new responsibilities and new desires or loft became a thing of the past for her. She had her eyes set on new suitors. Orlov was crushed. He was determined to win Catherine back. And that's what led him to the jeweler named shoppers. Who showed him? The stunning rose cut diamond. He bought it immediately and had it sent to Catherine while she accepted the diamond with much delight. She didn't rekindle her romance with. Olaf but she did shower him with lavish gifts as she did all her lovers. That was the end of their story. But not the end of the diamonds it was placed in the imperial sceptre. A metal rod wielded by the person in power the diamond remains in the sceptre which is displayed in the diamond. Find in the Kremlin Museum in Russia. Now there are a number of reasons why some historians have claimed this diamond. Could be the great mogul I is the striking similarity between the ARL off and the drawing done by Bob. Tease Tavernier back in sixteen sixty five. Both diamonds have the same half egg shape. Both arose cut stones with similar facets and their collaring both diamonds are described as white with a hint of the slightest blue. But there's a specific detail that seems to really intrigued. Historians Tavernier wrote about it saying there was a slight crack and flaw at the bottom of the great mogul. They're also happens to be a slight indentation at the base of the Orlov. That could be this very flaw. The weight of the Orlov is about one hundred and ninety carrots slightly more than the Kohinoor was when it first came to England however neither diamond matches the supposed weight of the great mogul various jewel experts and historians have debated whether the great mogul might have taken on a new identity following the chaos of war yet. There's another theory that has been tossed around that. The Great Mogul Wisconsin to several smaller pieces and all those pieces went their separate ways. While this is possible it seems as though whoever came into possession of the great mogul would want to preserve its grandiosity to maintain its value. Which leaves us with the likely scenario that the great mogul adopted a new name and is hiding in plain sight. The question is which name did it take? I think it makes the most sense that the great mogul became the Kohinoor. Nadir's Shaw who acquired the great mogul after defeating Muhammad Shah called it the co in nor because it reminded him of a mountain of light also. When drawings were done of the Kohinoor in England it had a similar diameter. To the great mogul when drawn by Jean Baptiste. Tavernier some good points. But I have to say. I think it's a stronger possibility that it became the Orlov. I say this because of the color the Kohinoor is simply a white diamond noticeable bluish tinge the Orlov has that blue color attributed to the great mogul. The diamonds also share the unusual rose cut and the Orlov diamond closely resembles Tavernier's drawing. Well I guess we have to acknowledge that. There's no definitive answer. But I will say this. If you'll recall the great mogul dynasty supposedly carried with it occurs that its owner would face terrible misfortune if the owner was a man but any female owner would be immune to the. Kerr's and actually prosper. If we look back at the history of the Kohinoor especially the female leaders wore it we see a long line of British women surviving and Thriving Queen Victoria Queen..

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11:45 min | 11 months ago

"jean baptiste tavernier" Discussed on Unexplained Mysteries

"The story. The stunningly blue hope diamond has been on display at the Smithsonian Museum in Washington. DC since nineteen fifty eight. Despite the fact that it's one of the museums most popular displays. The diamond has never been able to escape the rumor that it is somehow cursed but it could it really be cursed as we sat at the beginning of this episode. This particular mystery offers two answers. The diamond is either cursed or it isn't to consider. The question of whether the diamond is really cursed. We should I look into the nature of curses and our social obsession with them. Most people are superstitious in some way or another according to a two thousand eighteen poll by YouGov about thirty percent of Americans ends believe in curses in some form and the hope diamond with its widely publicized. History has an air of authority to its own mystery that even lead skeptics to believe that something is not right with the stone. The presses relationship with the hope diamond plays a large role in keeping the legend curse alive. We've discussed the fates of jump of peace tavern and King Louis the fourteenth the first Europeans to possess the stone who both with died painful deaths but there is another figure from the same time who was once believed to be another victim of the curse of the hope. Diamond there is a story of a man named Nicolas fouquet a superintendent in the Court of Louis the fourteenth who borrowed the diamond shortly before he fell out of favor favor with the king was arrested for embezzlement and ultimately died in solitary confinement. Now we didn't mention fouquet in our last episode. Despite the fact that he has long been named as one of the victims of the hope diamond curse. That's because he almost definitely wasn't fouquet was arrested in in sixteen sixty one and Tavernier didn't sell the French blue to King Louis. The fourteenth and sixteen sixty eight there was no way he could have borrowed the diamond. Nicolas fouquet was a false victim. He was easily proven to have had nothing to do with the hope diamond and yet his name has appeared heard in articles about the hope diamond curse some published as recently as two thousand eighteen. You might wonder how k. even became associated with the hope diamond and the answer the same nineteen eleven New York Times article that reported on the sale of the hope diamond to Evelyn. Ned McLean and published a history. The diamonds victims. We mentioned this to illustrate that there is a lot of misinformation about the hope diamond. The Kerr's and it's alleged victims and that don't miss information has only added to the suspected mystery. So let's discuss the quote unquote facts of this case. If we accept there is a curse. Then how did it begin. There are a few possibilities here. Probably the most popular is that Jean Baptiste. Tavernier unleash the curse. When he first acquired the blue diamond recall the Tavernier claimed to have purchased the diamond but no record of the seller exists in any of his notes? It seems possible if not likely that Tavernier's stole the diamond from a temple in India. His journaled account of the curse thief who. Oh perished at the temple doors after trying to remove a blue diamond feels like a projection of his own fears and experiences in stealing the diamond. So the question then would be whether the curse apply to Tavernier's specifically or if it's stuck with a diamond as it changed hands Tavernier's life definitely took a downward turn after. He acquired the diamond during the sixteen. Sixty S Tavernier's had been a rich successful merchant beloved by his wealthy customers in the European nobility but in the sixteen eighty s Tavernier's was exiled from his native France by Anti Protestant legislation enacted by King. Louis we the fourteenth the very man he had sold the French blue to tavern vanished from the history books shortly after that it would be a hundred years before before anyone found his grave in Russian cemetery. Remember Tavernier's was said to have met his demise at the hands of vicious wild dogs but looking into the research. There's actually very little proof of this. That version of the story actually comes from the Nineteen Eleven New York Times article and the writer seems to have gotten it from Pierre. Cartier the merchant to sold the diamond Mcclain's as to the question of how Cartier came by that knowledge. Well maybe he was just really invested in making that sale so the tavern yeah account is interesting if not one hundred percent verified but how do oh you then account for all the other people who seem to have met their end because of their contact with the hope diamond. A second theory about what caused the curse. Chris comes from an ancient Indian belief about the inherent power that diamonds possess this belief states. That diamonds hold the powers of the Gods cutting them too much runs the risk of releasing that power and even insulting the gods but in the sixteen hundreds Europeans preferred diamonds remains to be cut to have sharper edges and angles in sixteen seventy three Louie. The fourteenth had the French blue re-cut from its rough natural the shape too the more popular french-style in doing so he removed nearly forty two carats of mass from the diamond if there were any godly godly powers held within the Bluestone. Louis the fourteenth almost certainly released them Louis. The fourteenth died of senile gangrene his lavish vish spending and dedication to creating an absolute monarchy. Set the stage for the French Revolution that saw the end of his dynasty in the absence. The proof that Tavernier really was killed by wild dogs. Louie the fourteenth seems to be the first confirmed victim of the hope diamond but again the question remains of whether that means that the diamond carried the curse with it after all Francis. Hope Mayo He. And the Mcclain's never had the diamond cut cut this far as we know and they still suffered tragedies while in possession of the diamond. On the other hand Harry Winston did have the diamond slightly re-cut reportedly to help emphasize the diamond's brilliance. And as we've said he never seemed to suffer from any kind of great tragedy. If cutting the diamond was the cause of the curse the curse itself would seem rather inconsistent which leaves one more theory about what brought about the curse if if there was a curse at all there is one train of thought that puts forward the idea that all blue diamonds by their nature are cursed. They're certainly only rare. But if this is true what would be the linking factor between every single diamond after all. It's not like there are many famous Amos blue diamonds. That are also believed to be cursed. What makes blue diamond special? What even makes them blue in the nineteen sixties a group group of scientists? Set Out to answer that exact question in nineteen sixty five. The Smithsonian loaned the hope diamond to a South African museum as part could have an exhibit a team of South African. Scientists was granted permission to examine the diamond under shortwave ultraviolet light to observe the diamonds phosphorescent arrested capabilities. Unlike other more common diamonds blue diamonds contain no nitrogen but instead have trace elements of Boron which which gives them the type to be classifications type to be diamonds can actually absorb high-energy lights and emit them for a short time after exposure prior to nineteen sixty five all blue diamonds were known to glow in blue or green colored light after a period of UV exposure. But when the South African scientists bathed the hope diamond in ultraviolet light they were presented with a radically different result. The scientists kissed stood in darkness around the hope. Diamond baffled by what they were seeing. The diamond didn't glow blue or green. It glowed a deep. Hugh of blood. Red Team was awestruck. None of them had ever seen anything like it before and none of them could explain why. Why the diamond glowed in such a unique collar? Most of them assumed it was a clear signifier of the diamond sinister curse the mystery. The hope diamond's red glow remained unsolved until two thousand eight when Jeffrey Post the curator of gems and minerals at the Smithsonian repeated the UV test as before post team bathed the diamond in UV. Light after it had omitted the mysterious red glow the team gene used spectrometer to measure readings off the diamond. The results were fascinating. The hope diamond did have a green glow but that green glow was far less intense on the spectrum than the red peak post then repeated the test on a number of other blue diamonds. The hope diamond was believed to to be the first and only blue diamond that glowed red but post discovered that all blue diamonds glow red just at lower intensities than the hope diamond demand that we can't see without scientific equipment it is the size structure and density of the diamonds that determines which color of light we see with the naked I post theorized that the hope diamond had a higher concentration of Boron than most other blue diamonds and thus it's red glow was visible to human human is and it's green glow was not even among the ultra rare class of blue diamonds. The hope diamond is unique unique. Yes but can anyone really claim that its first. Based on all we've learned about the diamonds history and the elemental makeup that distinguishes it from other precious gems. uh-huh I'd say no. There is no curse consider the personalities that would be drawn to a gem so big invaluable Louis. The fourteenth wouldn't have somehow somehow been a better king if he'd never come across the diamond. The French revolution would still have happened. Prances hope with splurged his money away with or without the diamond in his possession and the same can be said for Ned and Evelyn. McLean the hope. Diamond is rare. Even among the rarest of jams but it's curse seems more like a circumstantial byproduct of the lifestyles that is owners lead as they say more money more problems and you would have needed a lot of money to count yourself among the owners of the hope diamond today the diamond arrests in the Smithsonian Museum in Washington DC where anyone can come observe it. Perhaps for everyone's sake that is for the best thanks. Again for tuning into unexplained mysteries. We'll be back Thursday with a new episode. 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"jean baptiste tavernier" Discussed on Unexplained Mysteries

Unexplained Mysteries

07:31 min | 11 months ago

"jean baptiste tavernier" Discussed on Unexplained Mysteries

"One thousand nine to Francis hope the financially ruined heir to the hope family fortune sold the hope diamond to Simon Frankel all and New York City. Jim Merchant over the next few years Frankel took the diamond on a number of transatlantic trips to show it off to potential buyers. He's the diamond eventually found itself back in the possession of royalty in one thousand nine hundred eight Turkish Sultan Abdul Hamid the second of the Ottoman Empire reportedly reportedly purchased the hope diamond for four hundred thousand dollars. Roughly eleven million dollars today. How mead the second only to enjoy his new new jewel for a short time the very next year in nineteen o nine? The sultan was deposed in a revolution and his government collapsed. It was is the second time the hope diamond had presided over the fall of a regime. The hope diamond was auctioned off in nineteen ten to help settle the sultan's debts given the diamonds chaotic history with royalty. It is somewhat ironic that it ended up in the hands of Pierre Cartier. The Prince of Jewelers Cartier is a top brand name and jewelry. Even today the company was founded in eighteen forty seven by Louis. Francois Cartier his three grandsons. Manson's Pierre chief among them built the cartier name Cartier was a shrewd diamond merchant. And he had the perfect buyers in mind for the newly acquired hope diamond mm-hmm and Ned and Evelyn McLean. Ned McLean was from a prominent family and the air to the Washington Post newspaper. Evelyn Walsh McLean. was a notable socialite and what most would consider new money. She was the heiress to her father. Thomas Walsh's fortune which primarily came. I'm from prospecting for gold. Evelyn and Ned had previously bought a large diamond from Pierre in one thousand nine hundred ten to commemorate their honeymoon when he acquired the hope diamond. Armand Pierre knew that the couple would go crazy for the stunning blue gem. According to Avalon's autobiography titled Father Struck it rich in nineteen ten. Evelyn Ned were staying in Paris when Pierre came to visit he walked into the Mcclain's hotel suite with a package and asked asked a couple if they had heard any news from the east about the fall of a certain Salton Cartier had researched the diamonds sorted history and its long list. The previous owners who had met with dismal fates. He related that history to the Mcclain's knowing that they wouldn't be able to resist such a rare dangerous treasure. Sure Cartier even claimed to know the cause of jean-baptiste Tavernier's death all those years ago. According to Evelyn Cartier claimed that Tavernier had been been ripped apart by a pack of wild dogs. It should be noted that Cartier had no source for that claim clearly. There was some embellishment to Cartier's tale. So he was trying to make a sale after all and his tactic seemed to work on. Evelyn when Cartier finished his story sorry. Evelyn wanted nothing more than to rip. Open the package and lay eyes on the diamond she needed to see it. Cartier obliged and open the package. Evelyn was entranced when she first gazed upon the stone with her own. is she wrote in her autobiography quote. I have never seen in another like the precise blue of the hope diamond. The blue.

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"jean baptiste tavernier" Discussed on GONE

GONE

05:11 min | 2 years ago

"jean baptiste tavernier" Discussed on GONE

"The work this process took thirty eight days the gem now weighed one hundred five carrots, but the re cutting allowed it's face to refracted more light. So it appeared to be brighter and more brilliant Queen Victoria began wearing it as broach. There's a photo of her taken in eighteen eighty seven in which she is clad in diamonds, but the Kohinoor stands out as the largest and most notable. The stone wouldn't stay in that broach forever though, it was eventually placed in the center of a Royal crown and Queen Alexandra Victoria's daughter-in-law was the first to wear it. Then in nineteen thirty seven the Kohinoor was reset into a new crown and the Queen Mother began wearing it. The Queen Mother refers to Elizabeth Angela Marguerite bowes-lyon the wife of King, George the sixth and the mother of Queen. Elizabeth the second and Princess, Margaret, she even more it at her own funeral in two thousand two that was the last time the Kohinoor made a public appearance. The diamond remains in the crown and now resides in the jewel house in the tower of London. There's been much controversy surrounding the true ownership of this diamond Indian government officials have repeatedly demanded it be returned citing that it was forcibly taken during England's colonisation of India. According to an article from the telegraph posted in two thousand sixteen the ministry of culture said quote, the government of India further reiterates, its resolve to make all possible efforts to bring back the Kohinoor diamond in an amicable manner, and quote and the controversy continues to this day, but the history of the Kohinoor prior to being in British hands is muddy and it's hard to verify who exactly owned it or where exactly it came from other than a mine in gull Kanda the same area, the great mogul diamond came from could this mean that the Kohinoor was indeed the great mogul diamond at one point, and perhaps it was only its name that changed a mineralogical by the name of James Tennant think. So he believes that the Kohinoor displays similarities to the great mogul described by expert jeweler Jean Baptiste Tavernier during his study of it tenant rights, quote the. Kohinoor had a flaw near the summit which being on a line of cleavage parallel to the upper surface may very possibly have been produced when the upper portion was removed, and quote, if you'll recall much of the great mogul was removed in the mid sixteen hundreds when Shah Jehan had it recovered. However, the Kohinoor wait never matched up with a great mogul. According to record the last known weight of the great mogul was two hundred eighty three carrots. But when the Cohen nor made it to England it was only one hundred eighty seven carrots, some historians. Believe that this is because John Baptiste have Rene may have recorded an inaccurate weighed when he wrote about the great mogul in his report interesting putting the Kohinoor aside for a moment. There's another name another identity that the great mogul could've assumed it's time to hear the story of the Orlov diamond which ended up. In the hands of Russian empress, Catherine the great in seventeen sixty eight. This story is steeped much more in mystery legend and criminal intrigue and it begins in the temple of three wrong gum in southern India. It's unclear how this legend originated, but it's closely tied with the Orlov inside a temple dating back to the mid seventeenth century stanzas statue of the deity Lord rung enough. His eyes were composed of two stunning diamonds in the mid eighteenth century, several countries were competing for territory in India in what is known as the Karnik wars during this time, a French soldier abandoned his post and deserted his unit going under the radar. He found a job near the town of three Ron gum as he worked. He listened to the local speak of the temple and the idol containing the precious jewels. This Frenchman's desire was sparked any knew he had to steal the diamonds. But this would be a most impossible mission. Why because only Hindus were allowed in the temple and the statue remained in a sacred space several enclosures deep, so the Frenchman converted to Hinduism and gain the trust of several priests who worked in the temple eventually he gained access inside. And as he continued to prove his devotion. He was given the task of guardian to the central shrine not long after he began serving. They're a storm struck the land and the Frenchman found himself alone inside the temple. He saw his window of opportunity..

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