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The Baron of Botox

01:00 min | 1 year ago

Introducing: The Pitchfork Review

"Hi I'm Jay Patel Editor in chief of PITCHFORK. And this is the pitchfork review. It's a podcast for the music obsessed. Song. And the music curious. Why do we listen to New Music each episode? Your favorite pitchfork, writers and editors bring you in depth analysis. It could be a ten minute short film with how specific gets explorer the best new music like we're all beginning as we. Revisit. Ethics to chalk gave it a perfect ten and report on the latest Music News. This song went viral and Tiktok what be the pitchfork review drops every Friday at midnight starting on July ten tune in then and in the meantime subscribe on Apple, podcasts. spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts listened to the Pitch Review and hear music differently.

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What I Wore When

01:00 min | 1 year ago

Introducing: The Pitchfork Review

"Hi I'm Jay Patel Editor in chief of PITCHFORK. And this is the pitchfork review. It's a podcast for the music obsessed. Song. And the music curious. Why do we listen to New Music each episode? Your favorite pitchfork, writers and editors bring you in depth analysis. It could be a ten minute short film with how specific gets explorer the best new music like we're all beginning as we. Revisit. Six to chalk gave it a perfect ten and report on the latest news news. This song went viral and Tiktok. What be the pitchfork review drops Friday at midnight starting on July ten tune in then and in the meantime subscribe on Apple, podcast spotify or wherever you get your podcasts listened to the pitch review and hear music differently.

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She Makes Money Moves

01:00 min | 1 year ago

Introducing: The Pitchfork Review

"Hi I'm Jay Patel Editor in chief of PITCHFORK. And this is the pitchfork review. It's a podcast for the music obsessed. Song. And the music curious. Why do we listen to New Music each episode? Your favorite pitchfork, writers and editors bring you in depth analysis. It could be a ten minute short film with how specific gets explorer the best new music like we're all beginning as we talk. Revisit old classics to Chalk gave it a perfect ten and report on the latest Music News. This song went viral and Tiktok. What be the pitchfork review drops every Friday at midnight starting on July. Ten tune in then, and in the meantime subscribe on Apple Podcasts spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts, listened to the pitch review and hear music differently.

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Food Neighbourhoods 210: Recipe edition, Jay Patel

Monocle 24: The Menu

06:28 min | 9 months ago

Food Neighbourhoods 210: Recipe edition, Jay Patel

"Hello and welcome to food. Neighborhoods of monaco. Twenty four. i'm charlie film court during the pandemic we continued the show in a slightly different format. As many of you find yourself spending more time at home. We followed suit dove into the world of great recipes. All of which can be tried from the comfort of your own kitchen. We hear hearty bread recipe on a for at london's liquor. Hello everyone my name. Is jim thome. And i'm the obligatory shut. Thames just bridge were small. Local independently owned italian restaurant. Okay so the recipe chosen today is for catcher reason for this is because i think bread is such a fantastic statement to be able to cook and any leftovers can be used to make really simple tons and ella salads toasted and topped with various delicious things turn into christina croutons and even blitzen tons pankratov sprinkled on past for an alternatives cheese restaurant. We bake two to three lobes daily depending on the day and also reason this recipes special. Today's actually kind of perfected it during the first lock down. We had when everybody was obsessed with saturday. Matinee hundred took the opportunity to really work on this recipe. Good friend of ours budgie one toy. He's a fantastic chef. Norman as well as a help gag thing in order in essence is pretty difficult operating. It's really really simple. So for this account one thousand two hundred grams of strong bread flour restaurant. We use marriages strong bread. Flour reply protein content any good cannock strong portfolios great twenty five grams of fresh least twenty grams of salt. A big pinch of sugar. Nine hundred milliliters of warm water. Lots soluble coffee to say how much we just depends on how much you want to put on anita rosemary. Sage must play. Tc salt so firstly type browns of nine hundred pieces of reporter an big pinch of sugar lead up about ten to fifteen minutes. Just covid comeback win moment in a -nother large baking bowl a stand mixer at the drawing regan side one thousand two hundred grams of flour and the twenty grams of salt on then. Combine that with the east mixture. That's been set for ten to fifteen minutes. If you're using a stand mixer use the hook attachment freezing last mixing bowl. Get your hands on and give a good meat ten minutes. You just wanna combine everything together. It doesn't need to be rethought next. Give it a good need ten minutes once. That's done scrape it down to rest for about an hour or two depending on the temperature of your room and it should roughly double in size. That point. what you wanna do is get back. And you scrape downsides. The bulb went hand slightly at this point. And then you want to divide into two so we'll make to dodge lives. This can be done by again if you want to be more precise scale then once. That's done lawn some baking trays with greets cruise paper. So kind of hanging on the edges of the trae you want be quite generous with the grease proof paper you want. It's kind of hanging over the once elected. Bates you can use paper clout do not get lining the tray with. It's so important. It makes your life so much easier and it stops the from sticking to the pan on top of the grease proof. Paper give a generous sprinkling olive oil. And if you don't have any baking trays this works perfectly. Well the cost on skillet as well so you can kind of divide it one by one if the rest in the fridge using it and then come back to bring up to room temperature before baking second life when you're trying to stretch i into the corners of the baking tray. It can be a little bit tough because the more you are the harder it gets to consequences to just leave requirements to relax before you shakedowns will rough oval again. Let it dry for five fifteen minutes. If it's every time you try and pull it entity edges econ springs back to the middle which it will just just let it do. It's thing just relax. Sometimes it ten minutes. Sometimes it takes fifteen minutes but again. Just take your time with that. Once this is done or very lightly of his coin coverage between so you then wanna leave and warm space for about two to four hours to let really dublin size will become very active very bubbly eastwood staying. And you'll really start to notice that it has a really uneven with strange looking surface but that's perfectly normal once you've done that pill that between film very making treat terrain bubbles this point one. Preheat the oven to two hundred degrees celsius. So once on coverage you did with your fingers tip your fingers and a bit of water which we did dart's and stick to it very gently a man covered generously with oil insight. Salt once don bake at two hundred degrees for twenty minutes but the you wanna liberty space and water into the ovens cray. Something called oven spring. Which helps the derise Brown crossed another way to do this. If you don't have some more to us they can spread into the. The offense is to sit up another baking dish. Which is foiling water and a towel which tim whitten right at the bottom of your oven. What happens at this. Point is as the british baking awards associate crates and crates ovens team. Which also does that same job off to twenty five minutes to one seventy type in loads out of the oven and sprinkle them with lots of rate or h whichever you prefer bake at once every ten minutes. Then what saas done kafue out of kuwait until the journey on to them and they go to catch my thanks. Jay patel ford's recipe for more from the hospitality sector stay tuned to monaco. Twenty four. you can subscribe to a magazine and sign up to our email newsletter. The monaco minute head to monaco dot com for more info. I'm charlie from a call. Thank you for listening and boy for now.

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65. Case Report: Spontaneous Coronary Artery Dissection (SCAD) Requiring Heart Transplantation  UCLA

Cardionerds

1:17:12 hr | 10 months ago

65. Case Report: Spontaneous Coronary Artery Dissection (SCAD) Requiring Heart Transplantation UCLA

"Worldwide cardiovascular disease affects the lives of hundreds of millions dedicated cardio nerds everywhere are working hard to fight this global epidemic. These are their stories. Welcome back. Carter exists other than Dan thanks for joining us as we toured fellowship programs across the country as part of Cardi nerds case report series produced in collaboration with the American College of Cardiology fellows in training section, each episode will feature a cardiology fellowship program fellows from that program will present and teach about a fascinating case and share what makes their hearts. Flutter about their program. Each case discussion is followed by an e CPR segment from a content expert and a message from the program director. Before we dive in just remember, we are an independent educational platform. This podcast is not meant to be used for medical advice. The views expressed you're not necessarily reflect the opinions or policies of employers the case you're about to hear. Is One hundred percent compliant. We thank you for subscribing to and supporting the Cardi innards. Our mission is simple to democratize cardiovascular education promote diversity and inclusion empower everyone to learn and teach from the basics to the advanced while fostering wellness and humanity. If you believe in the mission consider supporting US ON PATRIOT DOT com forward slash Cardi nerds every little bit goes. A long way we're also excited to grow the platform by mentoring the next generation of Cardi nerds. We are establishing the cardiologists academy and are looking for residents and fellows to join as Cardi innards fellows please see the Lincoln the episode description to submit an application, and now without further ado, let's continue on our tour with another fascinating case from Amazing Cardi nerds colleagues. Carter's welcome back to another fabulous discussion as part of our CNC our series. We are so privileged and honored to be joined by fellow colleagues from the UCLA cardiology fellowship training program are so thrilled to be joined by doctors, Hilary Shapiro, Ruth Show, and Jay Patel guys welcome to the show. So excited a heavy here really excited about today's case. Would you mind introducing yourself? Hey, everyone. My Name is Jade Patel. I'm a PG life five cardiology fellow at the University of California Los. Angeles I was born and raised in Chicago most of my schooling there. Before moving to the area for residency, I'm so excited to be through my fellowship now here in Sunny Southern California when not at work you previously would have found my wife and I spending time on one of our many hiking trails here in southern California or waiting in line for some delicious street Tacos. But more recently, you'll find a sitting at home training, our new puppy, a beautiful Bernadette doodle Mambo he guys thank you so much for having us on Cardio. nerds were really excited. Be Here I'm Hilary Shapiro, one of the final year cardiology fellows at. Ucla in one of our current chiefs along with Ruth I'm interested in advanced heart failure, cardiac transplant mechanical support outside a work I love to go to the beach or go hiking in Malibu or explore the restaurants in L. A. and even though in California I also left his skis. So in the winter I'm up in the Sierra Nevada mountains getting much snow time as I can. Hi everyone it's such a pleasure to be here as well. I am Ruth. I'M ONE OF THE THIRD YEAR CARDIOLOGY FELLOWS AT UCLA is in general cardiology with a focus on. Women's cardiovascular health and in my free time very busy with my rambunctious and very opinionated toddler who I've successfully trained to know the heart makes to sounds. Wow, ruth j hillary what a treat a treat to have you join us and I have a special shoutout from Jeff Su who has just been a great card entered supporter from the very inception. Definitely gives us great feedback along the way and he sends his love to you guys. We Love California shot to be fair to all the states but we do love the side we do love the beach. The sand and guys take us to your favorite place where I think as on the cook gets caught your favorite chill sess- or your favorite place to chill sash I? Don't know if we use that phrase out here. But yeah, there are a lot of great substitutes in L. A. as you probably know the weather is awesome year round. So I think most of us are outside on. Any Day off but you know when we're talking about a place to take you guys, we actually had hard times. There's so many awesome restaurants in L. A.. There's tons of good cuisine on the museum and culture offerings are also amazing and Ruth I bet that your daughter loves Disneyland is just thirty minutes away. Actually I love the Disneyland is just thirty minutes away hold the Disney cartoon. We're pulling out of VIC funches Oh. Let's be honest when people think about L. A. I'm pretty sure everyone thinks about palm trees and surfing, and we google some stats and found out we have seventy five miles of beaches to choose from from. La is so without the best link thing to do would be to head to the beach in Santa Monica and set up a bonfire social distance watch sunset roast marshmallows, and talk about this. Case guys I have to say I'm hoping this goes really well because I'd love to make friends and actually visit you guys actually go to the beach and take for a walk was Momo Right J. Yeah really. Cute Mobile. Yeah this is awesome. I love this place. We're so happy here we want to stay here forever but let's do what we love doing. We're having a child slash some say. WHAT SOME CARDIOLOGY Before we jump in a little bit of a quick disclaimer I recently went camping by a campfire marshmallows and then I touched the spit like where the marshmallows was thinking that it would be not hot. Fingers. So let's not do that while we do this even though we're going to be very engaged and yes, did get in the way of working that coronary catheter into the right for air to but. Let's start this case. Let's start. Are, so let's jump into it our patient as a forty nine year old healthy non smoking woman with no family history of heart disease who presented to one of our satellite community hospitals reporting intermittent chest pain for one day. She said the pain started while eating a meal but then progressive constant pain for thirty minutes, which is when she decided to come to the emergency room in the emergency room, her ekg showed entrance upto and lateral sti elevations with reciprocal inferior as depressions and yard team called cardiology because they were worried about acs caused by. Q-QUICK rupture. While J only forty nine years old and she has no risk factors for heart disease that one liner can really help set your framework for what to include in your differential diagnosis I mean the average age I am is in the United States is sixty five for a man seventy, two for women. But as we all know, the age range can be quite wide and she doesn't have any cardiac risk factors such as hypertension smoking, diabetes dyslipidemia, it doesn't mean. That atherosclerotic disease is off the table for her in fact, studies have shown that almost twenty percent of ACS patients younger than the age of fifty years old presenting with type one myocardial infarction have no traditional risk factors and more and more patients with no traditional risk factors are actually presenting to the hospital with stems while I, agree with the concern for plaque rupture with UN, the emergency department in the back of my mind I'm wondering if something else is. Going on yeah let's Point Ruth. You know if we even take a step back further to our chief complaints, which was just intermittent chest pain while eating in a young lowest woman without knowing what the US honor Ekg my I thought actually may not be acute coronary syndrome. The differential chest pain is really broad and some other dangerous things I hope they ruled out was we want to make sure we don't Miss section Soft Gel rupture or some. Sort of pulmonary embolism. Also, with the Association of pain to her meal, her symptoms could have also been chopped up to G I if if the year hasn't got any G. so it's a really important point because majority of women with SDS deal of chest pain non cardiac centers are way more common in women than men. So you'll also see a lot of female patients who are having a semi or an end semi that come in complaining things like fatigue. Nausea or neck pain, and they may never have any chest pain even if they're easy. G in an geographers slam dunk for a heart attack something else wearing me is that women are more likely to attribute their symptoms to non-cardiac issues. So they may think that they're having a GI problem instead of a heart problem and delay coming into the ER at all, and finally they do actually go to the ER or their primary care doctor's office with complain of these symptoms study showed that actually providers are also less likely to immediately think about ACS and women are less likely to. Get. An. EKG Inter opponent check when I go into the medical office, their access to prompt care in a correct diagnosis can be even more delayed. So you know it's really important to have a high suspicion for s and women, and Dr Carol Watson Are Awesome Program Director and director of the women's Heart Center. UCLA says that if a female patient reports, any exertion symptoms anywhere between her nose and her navel, you should always think about a cardiac issue some really glad that our patient went into the Er and I'm so glad that our community hospitals check that ekg so quickly. I was just GonNa. Take that. I. Barely settled into feature. You guys hit us without s geolocation. But. There's this is exactly our speed our pays and we love it and I just. I. Think this is such a common presentation even if we didn't have frank television sort of makes our job easier because we know what to do in that moment. But there are so many presentations with EKG isn't as profound and people present in different ways inside just glad. That you're contextualising the symptoms within the framework of patience you know in terms of both her age and her gender because he's a really important considerations, we've gotten into a few times in the podcast before like talk showed Galati in danger, and so this is a great start and for setting the stage for contextualising presentation in the framework of a patient who hostess. Yet and I'm I actually have a mentor who is one of our giant faculty in residency who's quite a senior professor at this point and she went into an emergency room with chest pain and she just tells the story of how she was totally not taken seriously as what have and the EC G wasn't even died genitals where this was but in easier g wasn't obtained. Rapidly, and then her husband like about like thirty minutes after she was already triage that she was a physician and all of a sudden run to arms. Let's get everything done I was like, Oh, you're one of ours type things and the guy got an e c g but the thing is you can't see a semi until you do any g reilly. Yeah you look. For it. So you know and she did well and everything ended up being great. But that's the actual issue. Right? You can't use your eyeball testing preconceived notion sometimes. Yeah that's absolutely correct and I think sometimes we also neglect realizing that the risk factors for cardiovascular disease is different than women as well. So since we're talking about cardiac issues, female patients, something else that. We should mention is the different risk factors for third grosses and women compared to men because there are some extra ones that you should be asking your female patients about, for example, diabetes smoking actually a maternal history of premature coronary artery disease. All increases the risk of cardiovascular events in women compared to men. We also know that a history of depression trauma or just general. Mental stress are also strong nontraditional risk factors for coronary artery disease in women and emerging area of research is actually looking at the gender differences in Gut microbiome and seeing how that plays into the development of CAD, and when it comes to hormonal effects. The balance of hormones with pre menopause is actually considered protective of the development of coronary artery disease but things changed. When you're in the menopause or post menopausal phase where you have the estrogen withdrawal that women experience, and that actually puts women at increased accelerated age related risk for cardiovascular disease. So there's been studies that looked at hormone replacement therapy and seeing if that mitigate, some of the high risk features that we're seeing in these menopause on postmenopausal women, but the randomized controlled trials didn't. Find benefit for each rt in preventing primary or secondary cardiovascular disease and actually had signs of potential harm. So currently, hormone replacement therapy isn't recommended and finally I think it's always important to take a moment to ask about obstetrics history. If she had children because studies have shown that even temporary things like just station diabetes or hypertensive disorders that revolve around just the pregnancy state. have been associated with an increased risk of future is heart failure strokes. So that was quite a detour but I think it was important one. Let's go back to our main question again, which was the concern for a pack rupture, and in the back of my mind, there is a concern for the Q. Pack Rupture but I'm also wondering if there's something else going on. I think that's an excellent detour. Ruth The you know you're asking great questions a agree that you know first and foremost most acutely we need to rule out in acute plaque rupture. But even if we think the patients having a cardiac issue rather than a Gi is or something else, we should also think about her other cardiac causes of chest pain when I hear about her easy g with St segment elevations in the interest central and lateral leads I'm definitely thinking about an interior. Am I am worried about a plaque rupture in the left anterior descending artery, the left main artery but as. We know there are other cardiac issues it can cause similar ekg changes. Other things I'm thinking about for her would include spontaneous artery dissection or skied coronary artery embolism a corner artery visas spasm or talk at sumo or stress cardiomyopathy and we are in. Kovic. So you've got to think about Myocarditis pericarditis as well. The awesome thing that I think about cardiology is the when there's a question about what exactly is going on with the patients coronaries we can take them to the Cath lab in June and geography and take a look so I hope we took our patient the Catholic next yeah, J.. Anxiously waiting. Don't Worry Hillary Ruth Dan and all you cardio nerds the Stomach Pager was definitely activated. The patient was loaded with aspirin anti-tiger before being taken straight up to the Catholic while every Catholic is a little bit different. Our strategy here was the first image what we assumed they send ekg was the non corporate vessel as tested. A culprit vessel is critically if not totally included and wouldn't take up. The majority of a case by I. Looking at the Non Culprit vessel, we can get an idea of what the coronary supply is to the rest of the heart and we go with a guide catheter for our culprit vessel. Now, if the patient had been unstable or engaging non culprit vessel took longer than, let's say a few minutes, we'd go straight for the presumed culprit vessel time as Myocardium as. As great j Yes, almost an interesting experience in talk at Suppo Cardiomyopathy, which classically looks like A. EKG. has totally normal corning arteries on geography you're totally right. Hillary. J Hillary Ed Ruth this is crazy gates and I'm really excited to hear about the NGOs but just to clarify for the audience in case you're not aware remember that the g not only diagnosis semi, but it actually helps us localized the semi and so what we talked about earlier, you know the s the elevations in the anterior leads with the reciprocal depressions in the fear leads really points to a proximal led Proxima left main situation rather than let's say a right coronary artery or circumflex situation, and basically when we approach these, it's Kinda crazy like cartoons hasn't done like an acs series yet which. I'm crazy but that's what we're doing. When we have patient chest pain we are looking at C G hungrily trying to figure out what's going on and when we sniff out Imia, we're trying to actually localize it a neurologist would with a focal abnormality anyways. But then just found that what Jay said lot of practitioners but they'll do is let's say they've identified that it's a left sided problem sale led or left circumflex they'll just go and quickly look at the right coronary artery first before they proceed with looking at the actual problem because they. Wanted to make sure they know what's going on in the right side before they intervene on the culprit lesion that they think it's going to be and most of the time the does point to the right direction. So that's just what j. you're totally right down. That's actually one of the reasons I. Love. Catholics is you know until you get that first image on the screen you can have guesses about where you're going to see. You're never really sure and also as you mentioned you diagnostic and treatment at the same time with the same procedure. So, tell us what did you find but he took the patient to the table of truth. Table. So here we go in the Cath Lab the opening shot was the non culprit, right coronary artery, which was large dominant vessel with a note disease. So that was reassuring next switched catheters to engage the left. System in the opening shot after the Cath team injected the contrast the immediately that there was a problem Kathy deserve on the Cardio nurse website and I definitely encourage you check them out but I can describe to you here. Now, the left corner system usually left artery that bifurcated into big healthy left anterior descending artery Anna left circumflex artery, and sometimes there's a Ramos areas artery in between the two. In our patient the left main artery looked a really long skinny sliver of a vessel with a small area of contrast feeling into what looked like a false looming. After that, we looked branches off the left main, a nice left circumflex artery was visualized but informally, there was no left anterior descending artery visualized at all. While description, you gave of the left main appearance in the lack of appearance of the led is very concerning when we talk about plaque rupture and what it looks like on an geography typically, we say that the artery appears abruptly included or ulcerated with contrasting not a long skinny sliver of a vessel with loss of distant branches, and then contrast into a possible false loom in like you said, with this angiographic appearance paired with her acute presentation, her female gender, Middle Age and basically. No traditional traditional risk factors I'm less concerned about a classic plaque rupture but I'm really concerned about her having scattered or spontaneous coronary artery dissection, and this would actually fit while with scattered because it's much more common in younger women with eighty to ninety percent of Scott cases occurring between ages late forties to early fifties and our patient. She's forty nine and she fits perfectly within this demographic. The prevalence though is really low. It's about four percent, but it's thought to be the underlying cause. Up to thirty five percent of all ACS cases in women, fifty years or younger, and the true prevalence is probably under represented in registry studies because it's hard to get an accurate diagnosis and there's recruitment methodology is is and things like that. So in terms of why Scott Develops, no one really knows why. But there's two leading theories that we should be aware of one is the inside out and the second one is the outside in theory. The inside one is where blood enters into. The sub optimal space from the true bloom and creates a dissection flap. The outside in is when a hematoma develops. Novo and this disrupts traversing micro vessels and causes a dissection. So in both cases, you have separation of the layers of the coronary artery similar to when we think of when we hear about eight dissection, the majority of Scott is thought to be from this outside in hypothesis because when they look with imaging, there's not really a communication between the true in the fos- looming. Yeah, absolutely earth you know just taking a couple more minutes to talk about the geographic appearances of skied. The most common thing we see is what we call a few stenosis without any abrupt changes in the caliber of the artery. Type Choose Guide in archies. However I think this looks more like a type one angiographic appearance, which is seen only in about thirty percent of skaggs cases where you get a really long filling defect from the intimacy section flat, and then there's a little pocket of extra contrast causing downwards file dissection in Arcades looking at pictures. It seems like the dissection starts at the distal left mean is where that contrast dating is in reassuringly she didn't have a healthy left circumflex artery healthy RCA, but this is not the case that you ever WanNa get. In the middle of the night, it's really rare. The prevalence of Scott is already very low and the prevalence of scadden involving the left main is even lower. So like less than one percent of all Scott Cases I just have to say one this has been awesome discussion hitting. So many of the main points and critical pearls will lead to scab but I'd like to speak directly to our audience I a so to our audience whatever you're doing right now whether it's exercising or driving the car or sitting on her desk not just. Pause the discussion right now and go to the blog post and take a look at these images because this is the most impressive angiogram I have ever seen. I show this to multiple people at work yesterday faculty who've been working forever, and this is just a a such an impressive image you look at I album started choking on my bonfires. Moore's it is that. Don't do that. and. Also drive safely do not look at this liar driving. Unless he could safely not not her. Doing If you're I'll. have to pull over. Our fans are very intelligent people. They know they know yet. Okay. Disclaimer for the lawyers you please pullover I safely. All right and also I gotta just add you have to see these pictures. Yeah. I totally agreeing with these are just really really really impressive pictures but also bringing it back to the patient really really critical pictures to see recognize and to learn from so and whoever was in the Cath Lab at this time I commend them for just whatever's going to happen next I'm sure whatever's next was was really really challenging and when you're confronted with an image like this, the sympathetic get wrapped up I all I'm sure and the other thing that I pointed out from this particular image if. You look at it as Jay so eloquently said, first of all, you could see some dice standing in the left main. You'd see that and second of all the Elliot's flush included, which means that there's like no flow into La D. and so for half you know it's very helpful to actually I learn how to identify the walls of the heart when you're learning calf and this isn't a Catholic at all. So I won't go into yet. But if you learn the walls, then you're gonNA learn what arteries go to those walls and then you're going to be able to see. Oh. Wow. There's an entire artery that's missing here. Only when you see, let's say in L. A., D. at an all of a sudden abrupt stop at Abrupt Inclusion, my twelve year old and my nine year old can pick out the lesions, but it's totally flesh secluded they can't, and that's because your eyes are drawn to inclusion. But if you have a flush seclusion where the artery never starts to begin with, it can be very challenging. So you really want to learn the walls than the arteries that go to those walls of the heart, and this has been such an incredible didactic but like with. A patient I'm really curious what the next steps are because the conventional teaching is if you see the section that you probably don't want to shoot more contrast because the pressure of the contrast going in itself injection can cause more trauma and injury caused further dissection propagation, and then secondly, you know we've got a critical left main stenosis from either dissection flap or the outside that's an encircling Truman and the led is gone. So I'd love to know right now what are the human dynamics and how do we support this patient? So that way we can figure out what to do moving forward. Dance. A perfect segue into what I was going to say next, you know the interventional team definitely was in a battle. At this point you know this is in the middle of the night they shoot this diagnostic angiogram not wanting to do harm on the patient unfortunately even with just contrast injection for the diagnostic the patient went downhill quickly she had cardiac arrest and she trickier fibrillation shortly afterwards, diagnostic and view grab the team. was able to defibrillator quickly with just one shot and he gave her intravenous Amiodarone for stabilization and Palace EP was placed for additional left ventricular support, Higher Level Mechanical Sport like Akmal and emerging cardiac surgery or not ready available at this hospital overnight given the patients amick and electrical instability. The Catholic team fell at her the was suffering enough from auction delivery and decided to attempt to rescue operation by opening up the artery. Man This poor lady you know we were just talking about it but treating Scott and trying to reverse guys scab just terrifying. You guys are absolutely right. Scott is what I would say a catch twenty two you risk propagating the dissection if you try to fix it with coronary stunting Perky Tina's interventions. But when there's no flow and the patient's chemo dynamically compensating quickly your hands are tied and you have to try something. So I think it really depends on how the patient presents and what the. Vessels are involved and by far and away the most common strategy just like with had alluded to earlier is conservative management. That is no re basketball station whatsoever over ninety five percent of patients who were treated conservatively had andrew graphic healing of the legions on repeat angiogram four to six weeks later. But even if you do choose a conservative treatment strategy, you need to monitor the patients in the hospital for several days. In case, the clinical course takes a turn for the worse and urgent bypass surgery if. Is the preferred method of re basketballers ation in clinically stable patients with. Or high risk dissection if the patient is clinically unstable such as in our lady than attempting park detainees, coronary interventions is reasonable. Yeah you know I think that sometimes management of these high risk cases also depends on the resources available at the hospital you're at I. Know we'll probably talk about this a little bit later but I know in our main academic hospital where lucky have echo in C. T. surgery available twenty, four seven but at our satellite centers or wherever we are absolutely you do whatever you can for the patients ruth. When you say a conservative management strategy, you meant giving the patient anti platelet therapy and Betablockers and Hepburn right to minimize myocardial workload maintain agency of the true Cornell Lemon trees associated from. Body legions, right. You're absolutely correct hillary in addition the use of thrombosis is generally not recommended because extension of dissection on her Hematoma have been reported with Ron, politic Houston Scott patients. So in addition to all the conservative therapies that you try, what else did you guys do for this patient? Jay. So once a wire was passing to the Ramos Intermediates Branch which I forgot to mention existed before intra vascular ultrasound was used to confirm visualize a large section flat in left main coronary artery with a significant amount of intramural hematoma. This is also really impressive video clip that can be Carter nerds website. Another plug for Ucla, is Dr Jonathan toews one of our interventional cardiologists who performs complex. Pf for closures alcohol mitral valve. Pisces was also one of the pioneers for injured Oscar ultrasound. He's a wealth of knowledge in a resource and always accessible president artesian conferences and interventional internal clock sessions. Going back to the case attempts at wiring led were successful only to the mid portion after which multiple wires were tried but all were unable to pass down to the disability. This didn't open up one large branch. Because the Ramos intermediates wire wise confirmed with Iras to true lament, the left main stent was delivered on this wire. However after stent expansion, there was no additional improvement in the flow through the led additionally, the left circumflex artery, which was previously nicely open. Peyton now closed likely as a result of dissection flat propagation. We're now four hours into the case in the middle of the night and the team was reaching its contrast and florals coppee limit. The decision was made to cease further attempts at revising the relation. I. See what you mean Ruth with Scott being a catch twenty two, the parking Tina's intervention strategy for dissections is really difficult. really commend our satellite. Interventional team for doing the best they could for this really sick lady. Getting into the true lumine of the dissecting arteries, the most important step, but it can be really. And interventionists reform chronic total exclusion interventions utilize strategy of actually creating dissection planes to bypass the chronically included area. A wire won't pass through it but in situations like this wiring incenting into an existing dissection plane through a false lumine could compromise all the branching festivals as well, which could just be disastrous intra vascular imaging stitches. I'VE S or Oct can help us confirm that the wire we pleased action the. Right position. So in the Truman, rather than falsely men, but this is also not really an easy task to perform because those imaging strategies need a wire as well and putting that imaging wire down to do the imaging can propagate the dissection as well. As you can tell, this was not a straightforward case. It seems Kinda heavy for a beach bonfire that how is the patient's heart function doing throughout this? This is exactly how we do our beach on fires. Heavy stuff in La. Yeah. The scattered the ACLU. La D. and the ARRHYTHMIC arrests really negatively affected her cardiac function, her post procedure transfer echocardiogram showed life tricky rejection fraction of twenty, two percent with ethical AK- nieces and anterior antra lateral hypo could ISA's which is all myocardial territory read expect to have problems with what we saw honoring geographic. There was no significant valvular disease. Jason how did Ucla Ronald Reagan, our main academic referral hospital get involved. Unfortunately the patient continue deteriorate clinically she sent up to the ICU on maximum. Pella support and team hopes she would cool off and stabilize. Impel. ouflows could not be weaned indicating that her heart wasn't strong enough to circulate blood on its own, and then she developed acute renal and liver failure probably from her low cardiac output a little later she went into ventricular fibrillation two more times. Basically, her heart was failing and it was causing all other organs search shutting down as well. Fortunately, they were able to contact Ronald Reagan Ucla expeditiously and get her over here for higher level of care. Jay that's something I. Love About Ucla our network is huge and we have hospitals and clinics all over southern California. I think we span like middle radius from our big academic center. So we're really to help a lot of people. We get to see some of the most complex cases in southern California I think right now ucla health is providing care all the way from San. Luis Obispo to Northern San Diego County. So spanning much of the seventy, five miles of beach front. The other great thing about this is that there's lots of clinical academic job opportunities for our fellows after graduation for those who want to stay within the UCLA health system. So going back to our case now that the patient is back in the mothership at Ronald Reagan what happened? That's in one of virtual conferences is that our satellites endings are able to participate in conferences and some are giving us talks to widening exposure to more community based cardiology and not just academic cardiology. anyways Ronald. Reagan. Ucla was contacted for higher level of care as I mentioned because our function was so poor are mobile Ecuador. Team went to the Outside Hospital Kanye late at her and placed her on va echo prior to transfer back to the mothership. I love our mobile team such an awesome innovation that we've had ucla for the past few years and they really do have the most high tech ambulance truck. I've ever seen. The Akron team is spearheaded by one of our see surgeons images saved a lot of lives in the greater southern California area were actually able to go and pick up patients at other hospitals who need Akmal or who are already on Echo. We can bring them back to ucla where we have this. Awesome twenty four, seven team. That's huge. We have CD surgeons, heart cardiologists in. Perfusion specialists, restaurant therapists, and ice universities who are all in Akron care can take care of these patients. I'm so impressed by the ability to offer mobile. Switch a tremendous. I they look like like ghostbusters into these like huge tax on income like into our other hospitals like scoop these. Recall Yeah exactly the. As we all know that they're support the heart right we can support takeover for cardiopulmonary system really that allow them ability immortality comes from the end organ injury and so yes, time is hard. But also time is kidney time is brain time is limited time has got time is your vascular tone, and so if we can sort of minimize time until we get these end organ injury, this common sort of a systemic inflammatory response release, your bachelor tone, I imagine that the outcomes would be better with all this very, very impressive. Yet, and I'll add it like really speaks to a system. This is what you're describing here is just incredible system where everybody is so important as part of the system, you know the people that ground that have that obviously, this case was pretty profound than you recognized shock and it's pretty cute. But like you know shock sometimes be challenging recognize as Ahmed said time is Oregon's diamonds everything time is life and so you can have the biggest system involved, but it really speaks to the network that you have set up over there with the ability to mobilize and then have these your multidisciplinary discussions on the go to develop. This is very impressive. Incredible. Yeah you're totally right. Usually health has a big footprint kind of all over southern California like Ruth said, and it's a really great of collaboration were a lot of our UCLA interventionalist. Just Ucla cardiologists work in the community hospitals. They also rotated Ronald Regan are mean little. You know some of the Times that we all know each other really well. So if anything happens, you're everyone's really well trained but if anything happens or someone's worried about a patient is just one phone call somebody always picks up, we can really help people and we've brought people over for ECM watch just 'cause they look unstable they might need mo but sometimes I was. Talking about this big backpacks, the Akmal actually bring all of their ECM equipment to the patient wherever they are I think they've even started on the sidewalk outside of a hospital and they can calculate the patient at where the piece is stabilize them get them into this giant ECM oh truck, and then translate back to UCLA to Kinda get tuned up and figure out what else to do. So it's awesome it. It's been a great learning experience for all of us. Hillary yes. That's pretty much exactly what happened to our outpatient? She was admitted to the CARDIOTHORACIC ICU at Ronald Reagan after being placed on the at the hospital she was intimated sedated started on crt to help her failing kidneys. Cardiac surgery didn't think she'd be a great candidate to take to the or unfortunately IC- cabbage or coronary artery bypass grafting, which is usually reserved for Scott patients who have Pi that's failed or situations that are considered extremely high risks such as left main dissections with ongoing like in our patient can actually. Be quite risky to perform especially due to technical concerns with suturing the fragile decided coronary artery tissue because of the spiral dissection down the patients L. A. D., I can't really see a clear target for a graft stall ID looking at the images which you can find on the cardio nerds website plus you already had a left main stint that required anti platelet therapy are though some of the reasons that cardiac surgery didn't think she was a good candidate for bypass. Jay, you're absolutely correct. Additionally, the patient had already significant myocardial ISCHEMIA. Probably, far ship from Elliot Being Essentially for over twenty four hours and she was still require maximum mechanical support with Akmal and Pella. So the possibility of the patients requiring a heart transplant was in the back of our minds with the lack of target for bypass surgery at her still critical state. The decision was made to proceed with an another temped for intervention to try to restore some flow to the led myocardium to stabiliser. We mechanical circulatory support as much as possible and start an expedited heart transplant evaluation she was taken. Back to the Cath lab the day after transferred to see if there was anything else done to help restore blood flow to led territory myocardium are caffeine at Ucla was able to wire down to the diesel led interested Alderson showed wire coursing in trilling approximately that the wire entered the dissection playing in the mid Elliott t, and then distantly the wire reenter into the true Ruben because the wire disallowed entered back into the woman three stents were placed across the length of the led from distal proximal to try and help restore led. You may be wondering what the risk is withstanding of the fossil. In this case, the wire traverse through the dissection clamp, but luckily reentered the true distantly. So they were able to connect the proximal true lemon to distant true with the three stunts. Place her post intervention angiogram showed improvement in led flow at our subtitle diagonal ranch's reappear she returned to the CARDIOTHORACIC ICU and slightly better condition and was successfully excavated the following day that's awesome. Jake, it's incredible that they were able to do such a great job on such a complicated and salvage flow to the diesel vessel. Just a quick question actually when. They. Go into the false looming reenter extended open do you risk losing the site branches come from the push of vessel immature traversing the false women? I think that is a risk and with this patient being as high risk as she was the team. Inpatient your team as well as the team were just trying to salvage whatever myocardium it could at this point while already having been expedited transplant evaluation being down on the back burner. That's amazing. I mean you know even if they sacrifice a small branch really recovering flow too much of the masses that can really awesome. Phenomenal. So after the Cath, a patient went back upstairs, the ICU she was actually decapitated from five days post procedure and the impels removed seven days post procedure. However, the patient continue to require significant financial support and repeat studies show that the LV ejection fraction didn't really improve enter kidney function also been proof so even. Though blood flow was restored to solve her heart tissue with the second angiogram. The team thought that a lot of permanent damage had already occurred and that are Reno and cardiac function probably would never recover therefore are cardiomyopathy and renal transplant teams who were already falling her from the start of our admission decided to conduct and complete expedited valuation for heart and Kidney Transplant for which she went successful dual heart transplant just twenty eight days after transferred to UCLA. That is incredible. Got Major Goose bump actions even though the fires hot I'm sweating a paradoxical. It's goosebumps reverse paradoxes but. What Jerry just looking at that situation. Like a reference to her annuals perversity for construction. GERIA-. Okay Telling me. Okay but I was I was like what I find it totally remarkable here is you know we said time is life and that's really true and I'm a pointed out that the organs you know suffer right away and here you have basically. Okay. So we understand why the heart can't come back. You know this as a lot of schemic time but then kidneys are very very sensitive to his but what it's Really Amazing, and the really again highlights the resuscitation effects of the team is that the brain is preserved like it's an unbelievable thing that you're seeing here that you know basically again, even after all of this, she is a candidate she's even a candidate for transplant, and then as actually able to transplant is just again speaks to the blood sweat and tears village that went into taking care of this patient. Yeah exactly Dan it really speaks to the coordinated care to get her transplant in less than a month but just taking a step back and looking at it from the patient's perspective I think this must have been terrifying. For, the patient and her family, she was a healthy person had one day of symptoms then found herself deteriorating so much that she needed not just one but two organs transplanted within a month and all this during the covid pandemic to. Yet it was a really really rapid courts and I think the family was scared when she first came over to Ronald Reagan on top of her health issues, she's actually a high school. Spanish teacher had recently become the primary breadwinner for her family because her husband lost his job tutor pandemic everything going on their situation with stressful. Yet Jay I'm sure that was really stressful and it reminds me that in addition to pregnancy extreme emotional stress and extreme physical stress have actually been identified as a trigger for skied in almost two thirds of cases I wonder if stress was just the big trigger for her initial scab developments, there are also case reports of vomiting leading to Scott as well. But I think you said that our patient had chest. Pain when she was eating, she wasn't throwing up. So probably it wasn't that you know it just goes to show that the triggers for Scott can be a lot of different things you need to take a great history look really carefully the angiographic images in the Catholic I think we said earlier early skied was very obvious but for a lot of patients with Corrado dissections, the findings are really subtle yes and You also said earlier how you know this patient like again, totally healthy in just gets just being this whole thing unfolds I actually saw not I would say similar case but a patient who is undergoing eeg is a while back many years ago with a patient was getting an easy d she was in her forties for just a work of Gerd and ended up having the F. and. Then, also an EC- G that showed a salvation entirely had left main dissection went to the Cath Lab. They couldn't fix it and then up getting bypass but was on a balloon pomp and unfortunately had complications related to the balloon pump lost a leg, and so this woman as actually having when I was a medical student, it's really seared in my mind I think this person all the. Time. I remember first last name and I remember being in the or watching the surgery and seeing like the open chest and then ultimately the next day the patient had go for a leg amputation all before she woke up and and then she wakes up basically again she was getting a work for Gerd and then ended up having his like just a devastating consequence actually followed her. Chart followed her for years because I always thought about her and while she at a different kind of outcome as this patient, she went to Rehab and basically really really worked what she had and I obviously never met her again but I would've loved meter and hear her story but it really left an imprint on me and again severe scat it could be really really really challenging to manage. Know like one what a nightmare to also to show you how much strength people can have in the worst of circumstances. Yeah our patient definitely had a lot of strength to get through all of this with everything going on with CODA pandemic. Thankfully, she lives in a home with great support network she had to rely were caregivers, her husband and her mother who were able to help post transplant. She also had an employer who really fantastic in accommodating through her hospital stay. So she was able to keep her insurance and was able to financially be okay. Those are all great factors studies. Show guarantee a good outcome after transplant is a huge surgery and it's a huge life change and we want our patients to have the best support to get them through this adjustment period help them take their medications and get to and from all of their follow appointments. Our transplant team here is very large and has a lot of fantastic social workers who do a great job of really figuring out how we can build individualize of fourteen for each patient that we transplant. Transplant is a deal I. Think sometimes we forget how monumental it is because we see so many transplant patients ucla. I'm going into advanced heart failure heart transplant. So I love this stuff, but I think this is probably a great time to maybe remind all the listeners that there's a lot of different reasons that we can actually transplant someone's heart not just end stage heart failure so you can do heart transplants for persistent Cardi genyk shock that can't be weaned from tropes or mechanical circulatory support our patients you can transplant for on true just end stage heart failures new. York Heart Association class for heart failure with symptoms that are refractory to optimal medical and surgical therapy including things like ads transplant for persistent anginal symptoms corner disease that just isn't amenable to vascular station. We transplanted people who've had life threatening recurrent arrhythmias like v. t storm that's unresponsive to all other modes of treatment, and then we would be congenital heart center here at UCLA, we do transplant for some of these specialized forms of cardiomyopathy. Isn Congenital heart diseases so. Luckily for a patient though it seems like when she got a new heart, her risk of developing skied or her history of developing Skadden, her I heart doesn't put her at any increased risk of developing Scott in her transplanted heart. So at least that's one less thing to worry about because I know that a lot of scab patients actually have some PTSD after the event worrying they're going to have another of spontaneous cornell already dissection the future I hope she's been doing well since this crazy month in the hospital how is she doing j? Yes she had a pretty smooth and pretty uneventful offered, of course instead now, the transplant kidney took a little bit of time to start working after transplant was just meant that she had a prolonged period of CRT postoperative -ly, but she actually is recently discharged from the hospital with normal heart and kidney function. It's a really great outcome for what was initially an devastating and rare diagnosis. When we look through the literature, we only find three or four other case reports of a patient with such significant scat that they needed a heart transplant. So this story really is one in a million. I'm so glad we were able to help her did you get a chance to see the pathology slides from the wanted her? I heard they were incredible. Oh Man pitcher really really is worth a thousand words. We have some great images from the planet hard that are on the coroner's website and definitely encourage everyone to check those out. But if you're driving, please pull over. I. Wasn't clear before, but you do have to check out these images because they are incredible. There's a gross pathology image that shows the infarct Admire Karya in the led territory while infected myocardium is, of course, not unique to this case or even scat in general is very fascinating for me to see what a gross specimen looks like after my Carl Infarction I personally never seen it before there's also a great radiographs. Of expanded heart showing extensive, stamping that took place all the way from the left main through the distant led, and finally my favorite image is incredible his pathology age of the led in Cross section, which shows a gigantic false limited and a smaller Truman and within that false lament, you can actually cease than Strut indentations although the of the diagnosis of scattered was clear even after the first shot in the Cath. Seeing this histo-pathological image really drove home for me magnitude of this section. You're so right Jay. Some of my favorite images that I've ever seen in my life are the Three d images of my children in my wife's belly and this image right here I mean, this is just This is Scott a shell. This is a New York. Thank you for sharing. Your. Let me rephrase that the the picture of by Kids Weiss Belly, a picture of my wife and this image that say. You definitely need to pull over and take a look at the images now. Yes I completely agree you know another thing that it really highlights is what you're missing on geography and I love geography. But remember that when you basically inject the die, the die is only going into the lumine that you're injecting into and so that's why skied we had talked about this on a previous episode, Scott Challenging to diagnose this case not so much. It was very very clear but sometimes, you just see a narrowing of the arteries and then fatten up again and they look like spasm or could even subtle and if it sometimes long enough, your may not even notice it. As a problem at to begin with, and so here you appreciate what that means that when you're seeing just the die you could imagine for example, in this picture that I'm looking at where if die we're going into the false lumine, you might get impression that that is the actual Truman by the die, these would fill out the entire hearty whereas the through limit is actually squashed to the side is really a flat it looks like a moon or a thumbnail or something like that. So definitely check out this image in kind of correlated to the Andrew aggravate that we saw earlier. Just looking at the sandwich it's like hair-raising in retrospect now that we've recorded and have the discussion realized that they they knew that they were in the false loom in and it was sort of control re entry incenting. But just thinking about what was going on in that moment, you know the patient is crashing organs are suffering in a life of a young otherwise healthy woman who has children is on the line and it's just like the. The methodology here, the technique, the level of minded thinking the teamwork are all just such a testament to the capabilities of the team, the experience and the expertise that goes into taking care of critically ill patient but being able to essentially use control steps to salvage as much profusion. Can you know I'm so excited to be an interventional cardiologist and is just such a amazing thing to see how experience and expertise can get you to that level. One to level about cardiology. Yeah I agree completely and you know I think that we are really lucky ucla to have this team that just functions a big unit in all kind of help each other out and those pathology images were incredible and one of the things I really love about. Is that another member of the care team is Dr Fish fine who he loves to teach, and he arranges these monthly sessions for the fellows just to teach them and let them see all these path specimens of patients, cardiac patients who recently had an autopsy or organs ex planted, and he does these combined sessions with the Pete's cardiology group as well as we get to see everything from tiny little baby hearts right up to huge dilated cardiomyopathy this whole the hearts score over the past slides Scott the case again and it really just like you said. Hammers home. Some of these teaching points also makes you realize that the learning continues even past the cath lab and into the pathology lab is well, he had. You're right Hillary though sessions are really priceless valuable I. Think we're really lucky to have dr fish buying at Ucla, and we also get to pick heart dissections every year to learn cardiac anatomy, which is always really fun to hang out with our fellows but anyway, I'm glad our patient did well, I made it home moving forward. Now what are some things that you guys council the patient on J. One of the biggest things we emphasized to our patient was the importance of eventually being screened for other arterial disease given a strong association between Scott and five muscular displeasure. It is crucial that patients damaging of the other large vascular beds evaluate for silent disease. The other skill beds most commonly involved, include the meals, the cradle vessels, and the LAX. We also council their patient on the importance of Cardiac Rehab, which will be part of our acute rehab. After this prolonged hospitalizations, there's a high burden of psychological distress among scattered patients. So proper surveillance going forward is also A. Imports to ensure a patient gets the treatment referrals. She needs. There is unfortunately a lot of fear and uncertainty for Scott patients who really worry about the recurrent cardiac events and other vascular issues in the future, and we want to provide not only medical but also psychosocial support to the best of our ability. Yeah. This was just a fascinating case lot of twists and turns, but you know I'm so glad that the patient had a happy outcome at the end I. Know Like we've said, I think one of the reasons that I love this case as it really highlights the collaborative nature of Ucla even from the Community Hospital or kind of affiliated hospitals to the CD surgery team, the team, Cath lab, the ICU, and then our transplant teams you know everyone's really at the top of their game and everyone's input is valued and everyone just pulled together to help patient. So Hillary Jay this case embody. So much of what I love about cardiology and really took us from an initial acute emergent presentation where life is on the line took us through although multiple teams that are involved in taking care of a patient at a specialized cardiovascular center with a specialized and capable heart team and really put the patient at the center you know with her particular circumstances and ended up with a phenomenal outcomes congratulations for you all in terms of being able to take care of patients. Such incredible way, and so I'd like to ask you guys at this point. One of the reasons you decided to pursue cardiology and what makes your heart flutter about Ucla. The reason I pursued cardiology I think is from even medical school days just understanding the cardiac physiology I. Think it's all answer that a lot of people give for this question, but it's something that was so intuitive on my math and physics background that it made sense and it was how I applied those things to medicine and I just really enjoyed cardiology back from early third year medical school days specifically UCLA I. I've enjoyed my time so much here from day one I've grown both emotionally and intellectually becoming a cardiology fellow definitely at a steep learning curve and I remember early on feeling like I was ready to handle the responsibility. However a program leadership and our senior fellows feel so comfortable that I won the week log boot camp to over procedures. Logistics was Super Clutch, and then we spent several weeks learning the basics of agriculture. We had backup senior fellow when we were on call and we were intentionally plays later additions to study for Insurance Medicine Boards, which was actually really nice for our wellness. Once things got more intense the faculty were patient thoughtful antiquated when it came to teaching us how to do procedures are running the see you. They made it possible to deliver effective care and help us gain experience our clinical training spread over four different hospitals, and with that comes in tax financial increase in the complexity and diversity of patients we see on a daily basis. From leaders and Chagas Cardiomyopathy County Hospital to Cath lab legends that are va to preeminent adult congenital attending that our university hospital we really are privileged to be here learning under the tutelage. Lastly and most importantly, I love this program because of the people, my co fellows program leadership are some of the kindest people I know there is no shortage of people willing to step up and fill in if you have an emergency. There's no shortage of people willing to give you valuable life advice whether it be about raising a puppy or any Kirsch eating I attending salary. The. Greatest Comfort training as Doug I can text any attending co fellow about something medical or non medical and get a genuinely insightful response. Yet, Jay I really agree with everything you say and you know for me I chose to do cardiology because I really just enjoyed the physiology with it. I. Actually went into medicine and went into residency thinking that I was going to be a primary care physician. It wasn't until I was an intern on you that I was like well, following more dynamics. is so cruel and just really exciting but I fought the idea of going into cardiology because I felt like I had defined this path of primary care for so long but ultimately when I was in third year resident I decided to do cardiology. So for those listeners who are still on the cost, it's definitely Ok to take time to think about what makes. Your heart flutter like on the says and I hope you do choose cardiology because it's really amazing and I hope you also consider applying to Ucla because there's two reasons that I love this program and one means the prophet training and to the people having four training sites was really important to me because I wanted variety not just in the patient population. But also styles practiced. So at Ucla, you encounter four different sets of attending within each cardiology specialty, and that really helps hone your skills and provide you with lifelong resources. It's also very helpful for the future too because you'll be more versatile being exposed to comprehensive set of healthcare systems and get an idea of what type of setting you would like to practice. And, the second reason is that people I think the educational environment here is so supportive and collaborative if a question or just can't get my brain to understand a concept like all those. ECHO boards studying questions. I. Have Right now all the attendance here will pause sit down and talk you through it and I think that type of collegial an engaging environment is so important when you're training to feel comfortable to ask questions and to feel prioritize in this hectic world cardiology training and like I said earlier I, have a toddler Two, and a half year old girl I started fellowship when she was still infant and Michael fellows have been nothing but supportive, they quickly jumped to cover me when daycare calls with emergencies. Sometimes daycare even calls during zoom calls on. Everyone's just jumping to help out and make me feel really supported. They cook US homemade meals and they make me feel like I'm doing it well as a mother and a cardiologist even though my internal imposter syndrome is very strong. I think you're doing a great job bruce. St. Attending Sarah also mazing as well. In addition to being master clinicians, they're also life mentors Dr Lori Kapoor Dr Yang Dr Wang, Dr Komo's Coppola Shapiro Bassett's everyone Dr, Watson, especially, our program director they have shared with me. So much of their wisdom, not just on cardiology, but also childcare options had a managed work life balance and how to know family build and career build at the same time. So this is hands down one of the most supportive imbalanced program. My daughter knows who I am and I don't feel like I missed her major milestones at all. Fake the everything you guys said I also have loved Ucla and been here since intern years did residency here as well. Back, in the day I actually Fi when I was in med school for I thought I was going to be a surgeon I did a C. surgery rotation visit. This is where I'm going I love procedures and I love creek care kind of acute care and that adrenaline rush and I think I realized that for me cardiology was the perfect mix really in cardiology can do anything. You can be a procedure less to doing these minimally invasive surgeries in the Cath Lab. You can if you want to be in clinical time via an outpatient, non invasive cardiologists into your own imaging and I, just love that like breadth of options of what I can do and I'm really excited to. Go into faith at heart transplant and you know be running Assisi you someday and getting procedures there and also seeing patients in clinic in still having that Nice Longitudinal relationship. Think UCLA's been really formative helping me figure out what I WANNA do and I have just a loved fellowship here I don't know about you guys. But when before I started fellowship, I was just convinced that this was going to be some sort of three year hazing process like either watch grey's anatomy or something, but it is actually been some of the best in happiest years of my life the training fantastic and I think over my three years a fallen in love with just about every cardiac sub specialty we. Have Dr Greg teaching about guideline, directive, medical hair, and advanced heart failure doctorship Kamara who actually now the editor in chief for Jackie. P, who comes in and sits down in his teaching us about VAT. In EP procedures, we have one of the best and oldest shuttle heart disease programs in the country here, which Abajo zone. News. Always happy to talk about his super complex procedures. We have specialists in Cardio, oncology cardiac obstetrics, advanced imaging, and world class preventive cardiology lipid allergy with Dr Carol. Watson as you guys have probably heard today, our Cath lab definitely never has a dull day. You know even though we have this incredible collection of really smart and famous attending teaching us. We're actually given a lot of autonomy to make big decisions care for our patients, which is something that I love and it's a way that I learn but I've really never felt unsupported. We have the cell phone numbers of just about every attending in the program and we call all of our famous cardiology attending by their first names, which was a huge shock for me after spending twelve years on the east coast. I've definitely called Masisi you attending two or three in the morning when I needed help with a tough case or the comes in patients but no matter what time I wake them up the attendance are always available. They're always happy to help and they are totally supportive. And then finally, just like what Ruth and Jay have said I think the culture of this program the people we work with religious makes it such a gem of a place. The emphasis here is on being a good cardiologists, but also just being a good well rounded person and we are encouraged everyday day to be efficient with our work and then just go home and be with our families, go to the beach or just make time to do whatever it is that we need to do to refill our cops recharge and be happy. I think people are really happy here and I think it shows both are great patient outcomes and also the lifelong friendships we make. Oh. My Gosh Hillary Ruth J has been nothing but a pleasure a pleasure I mean as we talked about the case are bonfire grew stronger. It was. Feeling it I'm pure cardiology greatness, and then as you talked about Ucla and all of your just a collegial is in the way you reflected on your mentors is just that we had to like really back from this fire. So named joining us this was an amazing I will say, and I can't wait to meet you guys in person you guys are just fantastic. Thank you so much for having us. We've really enjoyed this sin. We're happy to have you guys out in La anytime maybe in winter you should come in winter because our winters are probably better than yours I. Think. More temperate in winter here. Everyone I hope you guys enjoyed our case and now we have an e CPR segment with Dr Jonathan Toby Stocker Tobin is one of our interventional cardiologists lose pioneered a lot of procedures and technology and interventional cardiology. So we're really grateful for his time and his expert discussion bloom name this Johnson Cobras. The professor of medicine, cardiology at UCLA and the MEREDITHS director of interventional cardiology I very much enjoyed the case presentation and the enthusiasm of the fellows involved in the case and in the podcast. In the same format of presentation. I, guess I'm a PG wide forty-seven. The presenters covered most of the important issues of a spontaneous coronary artery dissection and I'll add a few comments from my experience of treating these patients. In the Cath Lab. When person presents this? You have to consider the diagnosis and especially the young person. Women were who have low risk of coronary artery disease who present with a stemming he or non stemming of the differential diagnosis of courses atherosclerosis. But in this population, you also have to consider other unusual causes myocardial infarction such as paradoxical embolism. So I will often ask if there's a history of migraine with aura prior to the catheterization because fifty percent of people who had my agreement or. I have a Payton Framing Valley, which could be the pathway for the paradoxical embolism to the coronaries. Coronary artery spasm is another consideration you really cannot distinguish and geographically it's rare that you see a double tracks of dissection and most of the time it's just that you see narrowed arteries usually more diffuse kind of presentation, but it's very difficult to distinguish that from atherosclerosis except for the. That it's a younger person without risk factors or woman I often give nitroglycerine into coronary before. I do any dimension to rule out coronary artery spasm invest ultrasound can also be helpful. In this situation you have to be careful about as strong injections or making too many inter corner injections because you can extend the dissection I prefer to do scan patients from the federal artery because you have better backup, you're more coaxial to the artery unless slightly to call supply section of left main compared with radial artery approach. If you're thinking of. Than I would recommend you get a CD Angiogram I because it's safer. Actually is better at making the diagnosis because you can see the the false limited and the lumine better than with a direct coronary angiogram in terms of treatment has been mentioned in the podcast. Conservative treatment is preferable. The patient is stable especially since the risk of standing the false luminous high as happened. In this case, the true boom intends to collapse because it is composed of both intimate and the media in the muscular component of the media contracts when it separated from the tissue. The contrast passes predominantly in the false lumine so you can be fooled by the angiogram. The surgery is similarly, very difficult, and it is unlikely for the surgeon to find the true Lohman for the insertion of graft and doesn't ensured that there will be complete. Antiquated retrograde flow. My experience when we've had cases that we discussed with the surgeons been very reluctant to take these patients to surgery and ask us to perform a corner angioplasty instead, which is an indication whenever surgeon tells the cardiologists to do the case. The tells you that there are very reluctant in that that don't get good results with this I perform I only if the patient is unstable or has a large fart and. After, make the diagnosis and get a wire down the artery or sound. That's the best way of determining if you're on the true. Or False Lamon. Way You're doing pc I have to very careful because balloon tation can extend the dissection from pressing the blood in the false loom in. So we don't predate it's not necessary. These are very approachable of arteries. It's not like a sclerotic calcified arteries and you don't want to extend the blood moon false loom in extend the dissection I usually stand of both proximal disciplines first, and then the sections in between to prevent that extension of dissection, you have to be cautious when you're sending the proximal de. Proxima circumflex that it doesn't extend the dissection retrograde into the other vessel in the left main has happened in this case. When the case is finished, I perform bodies CT looking for fiber or muscular displeasure as they described in the podcast. These are challenging patients in the Cath Lab as well as just management as demonstrated in this very difficult case. But if you are able to get to the patient quickly and opened up the artery, you can reestablish blood flow and very success slow results which very rewarding with Cordera angioplasty. Thank you. And now I'd like to introduce an F. CPR segment by Dr Carol Watson who is in of our women's health cardiologists, and also our beloved program director who has our back and teaches us so much in support everything do what a great case that was. Thank you so much, Jay. Hillary, you know ten years ago. We almost never heard of SCAT, but it's probably much more common than we ever recognize. We now know it's seen in as many as thirty four percent of women under the fifty women just like this patient. What we know is that Scott is the majority of pregnancy associated myocardial infarctions as well. So the more you look for the more you see it something we always have to have a high index of suspicion for in the right patient population. Just as you guys mentioned, we really want to treat Gad medically, there's so many risk in intervening. Just as you said, it's real easy to wire the false woman just like Truman in again propagating the dissection is what we absolutely don't WanNa do. But of course, as you say, there are instances where you have to. Can you guys think of a worse location? To have had them where this poor patient had her scat, the goodness is you know there are so many advanced therapeutics that we have available to us in cardiology that eventually I mean if you have absolutely have to, we can go to transplant and that's where this case in virtually ended up. But on the other hand, it's actually quite fortunate that this was available to this patient. There's a lot of things that we also have to think about we're just learning about the pathophysiology of scattered were learning about the overall vascular apathy that this represents it's not just an isolated dissection in one part of the. Tree where there's an abnormal vessel one place there's probably a number of admirable segments as well. So we know that Scott is associated with Piper muscular displeasure throughout the body we've a lot of scattered patients at UCLA and we routinely pan-scanned all of them and you would be shocked at how many vascular abnormalities I find. There's a lot of FM FMD, not just in the renal arteries in the carotid arteries in other vulnerable arteries there are aneurysms there are other what look like healed I, sections that we see. So I think it's important to have a High end except suspicion for a lot of vascular abnormalities when you see a patient with scab now that brings me to the patient population and the things we see at Ucla we're very fortunate to be a catchment hospital for so many outlying areas. We see all of the interesting cases we see first presentations of many cases. We see many esoteric cases we see the KARTINYERI tertiary care patients. So we're very lucky in our cardiology fellowship really is focused and designed on training the future leaders in cardiology, we want to train leaders in the basic practice of. Cardiology leaders in research but basic and clinical research. We want to train leaders in health policy and standards that govern our field of cardiology. So that's what we set out to do with our cardiology fellowship program all our fellows exposed to research all of them and they did great work. We had thirty seven peer reviewed publications from our fellows last year, and those who really want to make research the primary component of their career at the star. Fellowship available to them. Stars Fellowship is a unique program where we combine advanced training in research leading to A. PhD With Clinical. Training in cardiology it's one of the only programs like this. In the country it's not just an Md. Ph D. type of program is a program that we fully support you in developing your own research career. We support you with funding fully throughout there's no need to get your own grants but many of our fellas do again, the goal of this fellowship is to train the leaders in cardiology we have two different tracks. We are clinical track that's the three year program we accept about seven or eight dollars in that track per year. then. The Star Trek that just mentioned we accept two to three calls per year in that forum. But all of these programs will all TRAE GIO to be excellent clinical cardiologists with background in research some people. To, focus research some choose to focus on Quality Clinical Care Sarah that whatever your choices we plan to make you the best you can be. Now, just to let you know we practice what we preach. Our recent graduates have become real leaders in the field at really young ages. In the last two years, we have received graduate who is a leader in the ACC sports in exercise cardiology section one who's a leader in the ACC women cardiology section. One of our recent graduates currently sits on the ACC AJ Data Standards Committee. So again, we have practice what we preach. Exactly. What we help to see is exactly what our fellows do. We have a very strong peer mentoring program at Ucla called the House of cards. This is a program where every single fellow is assigned to a house. When they started them, every house includes the faculty mentor at Third Year a second year efforts you fill. So from day one, you have a built in support system. There's never someone who can't find someone who they can contact about anything whether it be a critical patients, the CEO or the best childcare they can find or just CNN where you can get the. Best Pizza. The thing that we're really really proud of is what our fellows do in terms of teaching our fellows truly are a heart and soul of our division. Each of the last three years our fellows have swept the fella teaching wards. They're just so good at it because they love it and that's one thing that we cultivate and our fellowship. We're very proud of our fell in their accomplishments are fellows Wendy, California ACC, Jeopardy Championship in twenty, nineteen, twenty twenty, and we're currently the second-place winners of the National Jeopardy Championship Twenty Nineteen, unfortunately, the twenty twenty competition was cancelled, but we really do have a great fellowship. It's the heart and soul of our division. There's a very close alliance between fellows and faculty and staff and everyone. So we sure hope you'll consider our fellowship. We'd love to meet adventure the next generation of cardiology leaders. Thank you. Wow plus an amazing case a huge thanks to the fellows and faculty for enriching us with yet another terrific discussion and incredible addition to the cardinals case report series. Be sure to check out the show notes for all the case media available for key take home and discussion points and links to the program. If you'd like the Educational Takeaways and graphics delivered directly to your email signed up for the heartbeat of the Cardio nurse newsletter, you can join the email is using a link in the episode description as well as from our website www dot cardinal dot com. We thank the ACC fit section chaired by Dr No. She reasons for their support and collaboration and a very special thanks to our incredible production for elevating our platform call him Blumenthal Tommy Dogs Unit. Student. Rick for Abilene songs and. All internal medicine residents at the Johns, Hopkins Hospital, as well as the Phenomenal Med mentor and University of Maryland Cardiology fellow site. If you love the show as much as we do be sure to spread the word rate and review us your favorite podcast platform and consider becoming a patriots a show on. Patriot right. 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What Listening to Your Body Can Do for Your Business

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What Listening to Your Body Can Do for Your Business

"Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the influence or podcast. Have you joined our facebook group yet? Because if you haven't, I, want you to get in there. We have been talking a lot about. Figuring out how to grow and scale. Once you kind of lay the groundwork on your purpose in your mission I've seen a lot of conversations going on with that in there right now, and so if that is where you may be, you want to pop on in there, you can go to facebook dot com slash. Groups I think slash the influence our podcast to get in on that free group into soak up all the awesome knowledge that's in there now, Kelsey Patel who is our guest? Today is one of Elliot's leading wellness and Ricky experts, and she is most importantly an expert in burnout. That was what was kind of predominantly the basis of today's conversation. How to really. Be Able to check in with yourself. When you're having burn out what happens when you're having burn out how to use Rakia, which Kelsey is certified in deering burnout out during that feeling of chaos what listening to your body can actually do for Your Business and really had a heal yourself from burnout. Now, Kelsey went from working on Capitol Hill and the US Senate for four and a half years, and then she was director of crisis Pr Fortune Five, hundred company. So you know she has been in those high paced high stress environments. She talks about how she was able to pivot and what that really did not only for her life, but for her business. In for her wellness and Mine's business that she has now her new book burning bright rituals Ricky Self to heal burnout anxiety and stress is now available, which will also be talking about today, and that information is in the show notes. Let's dive in. So you may know that I opened up the doors this year to a brand new coaching opportunity with me, and that is done through my monthly membership card shine. Now, we have been kicking this off this year and I can say that it has been incredible that community the support, the results, all of the stuff that our members are seeing is so impactful, which gets a beyond excited to be able to open up. The doors again later, this year for those of you who want to join now, you can go ahead and head over to Julie Salamon dot net slash shine wait list to address that wait list into also download a pdf that's on that page to get all of the information that you could possibly need about shine. So you'll be ready to rock and roll. Once we opened those doors but make sure to sign up because that is the only way that you are going to gain access to the opportunity to join my coaching membership if he went to. So don't over to Julie Salamon Dot net slash shine wait list for all the details. Welcome to the influence or podcast I'm your host Julie Salamon a marketing strategist brand building expert speaker and new. York Times bestselling publicist. This is where I take you behind the scenes with today's top influencers, industry insiders and entrepreneurs as they share step-by-step strategies to help you turn your online dreams into a purposeful and profitable business. Hi, Kelsey it's great to have you with us today. Thank you so much for having me. I'm honored to be here. Yes. So I wanted to dive on into. Your journey of really going from Capitol Hill to you know crisis Pr. To now being one of the leading. Wellness Rakia. In spiritual coaches, That's that's a vast transition and so I would love for you to kind of share what that journey was like and why that journey happened. Yahya Course You know I grew up in north. Dakota. I grew up in a very traditional. Irish, Catholic mother, a Norwegian sort of non emotional bearing father. Everyone sort of just believed in sort of had this philosophy of contributing through your work in the world, and that work really had a strong association with your value. And so I started working when I was twelve years old I had fulltime eighty sitting jobs in the summer where I was up at seven thirty am and home I'd PM. Or subway sandwich shop when I could get my first legal job at age fourteen, and so my whole life I really grounded rooted in my this idea that my value king for work and from Dui, and so. That sort of carried with me for better and for worse throughout my journey and I've always loved politics I went to school in Boston and got a degree in international relations in went to Capitol Hill. Right actor was so excited and thrilled to be working on Capitol Hill, and at that time, my mother was going through some very severe bouts of depression. We had sort of seen this happen on and off throughout my childhood and teenage years, and we just never really talked about it. Never, gave it any emotional emotional weight or energy, and so while I was working in the Senate, I would get calls from my mom in psych ward or just these crazy scenarios in experiences and it started to manifest as back pain and I never realized that stress can create physical. Body I I wasn't aware of that. I. Didn't know that to be honest. I probably didn't even believe that. And so I worked on Capitol Hill for four and a half years. I drink a lot of red wine. At night and I took a lot bill to try to combat my pain and what I didn't realize was also very, very crippling anxiety and not just burned me out and I had multiple jobs when I worked in the Senate I bartended I taught dance on the side danced in the company like one job was never enough for me. and I look back and see that I was really deeply avoiding emotions than being by myself. At a toxic relationship so The list goes on and I needed a whole new fresh start. So I moved to Los Angeles with a friend and started working for a big fortune five hundred company doing kreisky are traveling almost every week on a plane and had no idea that. Again my pay my back pain and anxiety were really like fueling everything I couldn't even talk to somebody without thinking about my back as though I, was never really present. And obviously as it will as luck would have it I lived in La and I still do. But you know there's a lot of more Wu practices out here and I started trying a lot of 'cause I was super desperate with my pain and they started to help sh and I quit that job opened up a pure Var studio and opened up several of our studios because I thought being an entrepreneur would be awesome in helped me alleviate his pain anxiety. And it made it worse. and really when I owned pure bars I finally realized that I was the common denominator and not if my pain was going to go away and my anxiety was going to. Maybe go away or diminished completely but if I was going to get a handle on it, I needed to change my lifestyle and that was when I found Rakia I. Guess Raking found me. And I've just been following Matt Path ever since. The long story I hope it doesn't or your audience but. Just to say that there's not always a linear path to healing and mine was very much an all over the place patch to get through area today. What do you think gave you the courage or the wherewithal to listen to yourself to listen to your body to listen to your? You're paying mind body and spirit and know that you needed to make that shift. Honestly desperation I? Mean I was like I. Always have this image where I was on a plane with my at the time fiance my now husband and we were flying somewhere like fabulous for vacation in my head was in. The seat in front of my plane seat, and there were tears just streaming down my face because I was in so much pain and I mean I really question how long I wanted to keep living life with that kind of physical back pain and now I know that I'm not alone I had no idea I thought I was very isolated in I experience of back pain and of anxiety and With the teaching that I get to do now I know that I'm actually that I was not alone in not pain. And tell us a little bit about that. Who We know why rate he will I I would love for you to explain why Ricky for you and then kind of go into. What exactly is that and how can it help someone heal? How can it help someone? Except how can it help someone get the support that they're looking for get the clarity they're looking for and Really, just get the stillness that I think everyone needs. Yeah. That's a great word for it So Ricky for me because. I was trying as many things as possible and I had done this wellness event pure studio and a friend of mine WHO's an incredible aestheticians said. Allergy mind. albarn my Rakia masters you can you Rakyat? Almost like. I'd never heard of it. And I wasn't I really wasn't into all the stuff at all. I was very pragmatic. I liked was very tight a person. which is why I loved Bar classes 'cause you can be controlling like down in an image. And when I saw a woman doing rake young people who were hovering around their head and I was like this is bullshit and the woman invited me though to her Office for session as thank you and I went and I couldn't. I I couldn't describe it or understand it from sort of the right brain perspective but I did realize that when I walked out of the session I felt lighter and I felt a sense of peace that I hadn't ever been able to find on my own. So I started to go back every week even though I was a pretty much a skeptic about it I just trusting the way that it made me feel even though I couldn't see it or understand it from a very black and white perspective and I kept going back and I would go every week and then I decided to get certified in her Rakia Level one training just so I do it on myself and as things would go that's why that's sort of how it went to ricky to fifty three raking master teacher and for me. The beauty of rake. I. Teach at now all over the world both certifications, and also teaching people in workshops, how to do it on themselves without needing to get certified and. To Me Radi matters and heels and Ricky supports in helps because it's the ultimate practice of surrender. Where you're letting yourself, unravel and release all the control mechanisms of wanting to control. Basically everything like all many of us do and you're really allowing yourself to open up to something greater than you to bring about balance and harmony into mind body and spirit. And how does this allow for that idea to fall into other aspects of your life? It's really incredible right? It's like you make one small change in your life that might grow. On that micro shift becomes the outlook of the macro of your life experience, and so you know finding yourself whether or not you received from someone or you try it on yourself or however do however the way. I feel like people start to have a shift in their. In their perspective, and then it gives them a new Lens to look through all of the other parts of their life, maybe not immediately and maybe not all parts of their life but these little micro moments. Might be the bliss. I'm going to take five minutes to just sit outside and listen to the birds and look at the trees and just be as you said, still mess for a few minutes, and then that carries into the next moment did not carries into the next moment in so on. And what could someone? Who's never had a rocky session? What could they expect from that first time because I think for people that have never done it they're like, am I going to do you touch me do not touch me am I, going to feel something my gonNa levitated into the room and fly away what is going to happen l. over the about knows. So Ricky session a typical recession, and by the way every person who practices ricky. Is going to approach their session differently because we're all unique individuals and everyone has their own way of connecting in into this energy source. So but how Rakia is performed is we use our hands, the Paul Shock Ras. So we are shockers all over our body. Most people are used to the seven shockers that you've probably seen depicted in a picture, a Yoga Studio, or you've seen on the cover of book or somehow you've probably seen those seven shockers going down the center of the body. We have many other shockers on the body and two of them are on the palm and so ricky practitioners have trained and learned how to connect to this universal energy source. Again always intention is to bring about balance in harmony it's not to heal. It's not to manipulated not religious. It's really to just connect to this universal energy source to bring balance and harmony to the recipient. And so when you go in for a rocky session, typically the practitioner will ask you. A, few questions probably just to assess why came in what you're hoping for, and then the have you typically lay down on a massage table and they will not and should not be touching most of your body they may touch your head in the beginning. So we sort of start usually again, every practitioner will be a little bit different, but we'll start at typically the top of the head and just opened up the energy to be able to. Use. Some of that balance in harmony and bring it into the mind because that's where a lot of us holds the energy patterns that create physical disease or disease in the body, and then they'll work their way down the body typically again, without touching the whole body, they may touch your feet as they work their way down, and then some practitioners will have you turnover onto your stomach and do a little bit on the back of the body. And some may just work on the front of the body. That's a typical raking session in just add that in the current climate I don't this podcast will air, but there is also something called distance ricky healing where you can send key to someone without being in the same. Place as they are. and. How does that work if you're not physically together? Yes it's a great question. So. In reiki training, there's the Rakia one certification training is really just teaching someone how to tap into the source. A lot of the focus is about learning how to rake yourself. You May Ricky your family is a great tool for MOMS and DADS to have for. Their kids to be able to rake. You have certainly rapeseed my son's in different moments. Of Health issues in it's been incredibly powerful in supportive an empowering really, and then ricky level to the second level of certification is where you learn different Reiki symbols including distance reiki symbol. So you're basically tapping into this frequency of energy and you're calling in the ability for this energy in this rookie healing to be sent through time and space and location for the recipients, and there is a beautiful. Protocol. If you will of how to open up that energy channel and again as someone who has been the skeptic. I have the most profound. Examples and experiences, not only with my own clients. But also in having Rakia sent to me from people that I trust to do ricky on me. And when you do rake yourself as something that you have to have training for can you take? Do, you have to be in person to take classes. Could you take virtual causes? How does that work to actually become trained? Yeah. So this is where I may there may be the rake master teachers who listen to your podcast that may disagree with this but my personal take on it is We all have ricky of us. We all have the same way that we all have life force energy inside of us. If you go to a yoga class, they're talking about Brana or shock. De Rising or if you're going to an acupuncturist didn't in Chinese medicine, they talk about Chee, which is life force energy. So the they're moving the key of the body through the needles. The key of rage key KFI is the same as all of those. So it's tapping into this life force energy within the Bonnie and helping the body to bring balance in harmony. I, believe because I think every practitioner out there would say that, of course, all of us have this ability and capability within us. I personally think that people should get rank you want a certified if they feel a desire to go deeper or they know themselves well, enough to say you know I need the actual training and the certification and I want to have a teacher, teach me how to do this but then I also in my workshops. I teach people how a very easy quick way how to tap into this energy source to begin to rake themselves so that they just have another tool in their tool belt I have. Many different courses online that I share to be able to help people start tapping into this resource and even right now I've, of course, called Achey one one with mind body green. And free for everybody. So my hope it intention is that people who want this or that speaks to them just open their options up for having another tool in their tool belts of healing. Amazing I love that. Are. You. Someone that is maybe new to this game and you see all of these people online monitoring their instagram monetize in their blog and wondering, hey, how the heck are they actually doing this or are you someone that has maybe been at this for a while now and he just kind of feel stuck well, let me come in and help you one of the ways. I do that is through my. Brand new free class that I just created that teaches you how to land big brand deals in five simple steps. Even if you've never done it before and even if you think you have to small of a following, I, walk you through so many steps that are incredible and they're gonNa get you the results that you want immediately head on over to pitch a perfect dot net slash masterclass for all the details. So as we dive more into this idea of energy healing and wellness in seeing that I know that you have a new book that's coming out on April twenty eighth congratulations by the way they do so. What else can we learn in that book to heal the burn out and the anxiety the overwhelming chaos that a lot of us has started to fill this year and we'll maybe continue to feel as the year progresses absolutely I. Think we're in a very unique time and when I was writing this book obviously, I wasn't writing it in the context of where we are right now but you know there's something to be said about what is I consider both acute burnout and chronic earn outs and the book was really created for both with this idea that you know a lot of us had learned picked up over our lifetimes by the way no one. Is Immune to this we've all picked up in learned from our parents from society from you know things that we don't even know that we are unconsciously programming into our minds this these ways of interacting with ourselves with fear with anxiety with control, and with the way that we show up in the world in the book really came from this place of me knowing how I felt when I was going through my cane and anxiety and not feeling like I had any way of releasing or shifting or even just giving myself other options. So in the book, I, you know there's different phases that the book takes the reader through ended it's really intended to sort of. Root down in science. So there's a lot of statistics in the book. About stress and about how it plays a deep role in our overall physical wellbeing and that's really important to me because I want to speak to the really successful type a very capable, very driven person end because that's how I was and I really thought that I was doing well, even though I was most mornings when I woke up but most nights when I went to bed and the book talks about the age of. Anxiety, and it talks about suggests getting statistics and information. So you can kind of level off with yourself, and then the second part of the book goes into this idea of imprint and how to discover your own personal imprint whether it's about money or relationships or success or purpose at. Then we talk about how to rediscover reconnect with your sense of purpose whether it's a purpose for the day or for your life or for a year. And then it's really giving a ton as many as I can of the practices in tools and resources that i. both personally used used with thousands of clients. To start to really develop a D. birth sense of trust in nate joy with yourself so that no matter what shows up in your life, you are able to really see it for what it is with incredible perspective and awareness, and then being able to decide like how you what you want next where you WANNA go next without letting things that just create needless suffering. To really help move those those unnecessary experiences out of your life. And could you share if there's one of the you know maybe it's the biggest resource are just the most impactful resource that someone could start using today. Yeah I mean I I would say your breath. I mean I know and the two things that I talk about with people all the time if they don't know where to start or they feel. With an I totally get it all of the media out there all of the different tools and resources the two things that I would strongly recommend. Is Number one again with a daily wrath practice, it can be three minutes One of my favorite ones that really helps to defuse in soften anxiety is just think about the shape of a triangle and you inhale on one point of the triangle inhale for account of three. Then go to the next point on the triangle hold the breath for account of two. And then go to the next part of the triangle xl account of five. So it's inhaled for three expand the belly, hold the breath for two counts, and it could be long to counter short depending on your breath practice and then an open mouth exile for five counts and as you do that, the extended exhale is helping to calm down the central nervous system. So people could even just do that. Once a day could be in the middle of the day to have a reset that's really gonNA start to combat that idea of the pair sympathetic nervous system and the sympathetic nervous system right that fight flight. Freeze mode. So we want to just start treating our Bonnie's in a way where we see you only have a certain amount of reserves every day to tap into that that part of you, that's able to turn on the fight mode. And we want to give the body as much opportunity to come down from not into release some of that momentum so that it's not a boiling pot the lids GonNa fly off of right. It's like you're turning down to simmer so that if something does come up again in, it starts to boil you have the ability to bring it back down. So that's number one, number two I really feel. So strongly about people in the morning when they wake up. Doesn't matter if you lay in bed and put your hands on your heart or sit up and your hands on somewhere on your body, your knees, your heart, your head, and this is sort of the idea of sending ricky to yourself but it's really connecting with your physical mind body spirit before you start day and again, this can be two minutes could be sixty seconds. It can be ten minutes whatever you want whatever you have time for whatever feels good to you but doing a self check. In and when you do that to just notice your body, notice your breath and ask yourself what's one self loving act that I will do for myself today and then no matter what your day brings just try to make sure that you commit to doing that one thing it could be as simple as lemon water or turning on a diffuser with innocent until oil or going for a short walk but just this idea of connecting to yourself in your needs and then choosing to make that a priority. I love that. The choice to make it a priority because I think that a lot of times we. It's so easy to get lost in. You know I don't have enough time. You know I've got the kids I have this have that have all of the excuses kind of come and do you have any kind of tips for? Check ins that we can do throughout the day to combat those types of belief systems that start to roll in yet, and I guess I would ask if you're open to sharing Julie what comes up for you during the day and then I can work with that. Yeah. Let's see. So days that I am not an acceptance. And I'm playing kind of more of the the victim of you know I I I have no control I can't control my thoughts and feelings. It's probably that idea of I'm having to do everything and no one's helping me my love that. Okay and I. Think. So many of us have that same experience every day. So you're not alone even though our Egos somehow make us feel so isolated in unique. In our experience of bath feeling. So one of the things that I would recommend for that is number one. Take a break even when your brain tells you that you have no time to take a break challenging. That is the first way to start to get out of the mouse wheel right? It's like this mouse just running on a wheel all the time, and it believes that somehow it's better off running all the time and that's just not true. Right know even about workouts how important recovery is it's the same thing with how we approach ourselves, our brains, our bodies and our days so take. A break. It could be a sixty second break where you literally turn a timer on your phone. It could be recommend of course, more like a five to ten minute break where you can set an alarm on your phone and just walk out, make yourself a glass of water. Get something get some vitamin. D. If you can step outside or a few minutes, but you have to change your physical Mayans location and your physical bodies location in order to change your perspective does that make sense? Does that totally makes sense and I even noticed that today it's the first really Nice Day in Tennessee where I live and just having that Sunshine I. I. got to go outside I got to listen to the wind and the birds and I did a quick five minute meditation because that's the block of time that a had. And it just it. It allowed me to get so much stillness into just breathe and it was like what? A what a difference five minutes in the Sun can make. Exactly like we we so often forget how many things are actually out there that are supporting us beyond what again our brain tells us, and so like mother Earth is here to Support Austin and we can obviously support her back but in a little things like that, and then the two other things I wanna say to is. Also, being willing to be vulnerable and to share I have this group of four other girlfriends and we all have this text chain and we text each other all the time daily regardless of whether or not we're quarantined or or not, and it's the most loving supportive group, and so if you have one friend or a couple of friends and. You WanNA, create that chain of like, Hey, can we just do like more like a regular check in with each other every day and we send each other silly videos like nobody gives a shit. There's no filtering on this text chain. We pray for each other if one of us is going through something really hard most of us have kids as well. And we will be. Able were able to. Tell each other what? Are What we're needing. We're all collectively showing up to support each other. That has been one of the most fundamental and supportive things in my life. I'm over this past year and I recommend it so much for everyone. Really that's that's what you're saying. That's what all of us need is just a feeling that we are not alone in that we are supported. and then the next thing is the final thing is is. Just. This idea of doing a check in with yourself because the EGO has again a tendency to get carried away with what is quote unquote crucial and so important. And I have this philosophy with myself. I don't always practice it I try really hard to. But I check in ask myself like is this absolutely necessary right now or can is actually wake or maybe even on a day like today Julie, you need to cancel a podcast recording. So you can go outside for an hour, enjoy the sunshine and guess what when each of us starts to show up to our benthic needs and desires. We actually than create this, it's a ripple effect. We all then get permission to do that for ourselves regularly. So everyone can be showing up from a more happy healthy balanced perspective and I know that that's not always the case for everybody but I just want to share it because. So much of I think what has happened in our Western society is that we've all been just fueling off of each other's films and these are we are not living with full tank of gas. All in have all been operating from almost like fumes only and I just want to give new perspectives and new options to people that maybe things aren't as critical as crucial as your mind is telling you they are in if you give yourself a break, you might actually be giving someone else a break to announce a really beautiful thing. I love that and thank you for that reminder of I do something similar I asked I'm like how important is it? Every day and it does allow you to and we have choices I think that that's a big thing to always remember too is that a lot of times we feel like we have to do this? Exactly in the brain, the Eagle lie you know. Much, we want to rely on the EGO. The EGO will lie to you and it will take you and it will It will really it can really disrupt the energy fields in the body. So it's a matter of just some just challenging the EGO, your ego even something as simple as a text or an email that triggers you or it triggers an old fear I just had someone emailed me. Recently, I had done a rate training and they just me that they can't pay me right now for the draining, which was thousands of dollars and my fear kicked in and I wanted to have you know like an immediate. Response like okay. That's money that I already. The right. And I just took a step back and I said, okay is that true? The duet absolutely need this right now or am I just being defensive in fighting because I have an old fear of things like that happening in. So I think it's also just about taking the pods before you react and respond. So if something really triggers, you could be any type of feeling just see if you can take a moment to pause or step away from responding and not has been such a beautiful practice for me personally. Amazing what Kelsey thank you so much for walking us through all of that, where can we learn more about your book and learn more about the work that you do. Thank you so much Julie and yes. So you can go to everything is just my name. Kelsey J.. L. L. S. E. Y., and my book is on the website. You can pre order now and get 'em trying to give as much free stuff and contents away. So there's journal prompts in a lot of other goodies for the pre order of the book, and it'll be the same when it's the actual sale they don't be a bonus as well for any order in on instagram all the sudden. Just Kelsey? Jay Patel. Awesome. Well, thank you so much again for being here today and sharing all of his goodness, and if you those listening if you had any amazing insights or ways that you're thinking differently about your life and your journey, please make sure to share with us either on Itunes as a review or you can screen shot today's episode on Instagram and tag me Hashtag the influence of podcast and let us know what your biggest takeaway was because I love to share stories on my story as well and spread the love. So again, thank you so much for being here. Today they to. All right that is it for today. 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BONUS: Kirk's Red Dead Review

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33:20 min | 3 years ago

BONUS: Kirk's Red Dead Review

"Hello everyone Kirk Hamilton here. If you're listening to this. There is a good chance that you read my review of Rockstars read that adoption to and or listen to me and Jason talking about it on this week's episode as bonus episode. I wanted to try something slightly different do something. We've never done before. Which is a complete reading of my review that I would do and then put on the feet. So that is what I've done I won't waste any more time with preamble because it's a pretty long review. I'll just say thanks so much everybody who's reached out to to say, they like their view or or engaged with it or think they got something out of it on that really means a lot. Without further ado, here is my full review of red dead, redemption too. From tips detail read entered into a profound glorious Downer. It is the rare blockbuster video game that seeks to move players not through empowering game play and jubilant heroics. But by relentlessly forcing them to confront decay, and despair, it has no heroes only flawed men and women fighting viciously survive in a world that seems destined to destroy them. It is both an exhilarating glimpse into the future of entertainment and a stubborn torchbearer for an old fashioned kind of video game design. It is remarkable work of game development and possibly a turning point in how remark upon the work of game development. It is amazing. It is overwhelming. It is a lot. And also is a whole whole lot. Rockstar games. New open world, western opuses, exhaustively detailed and exhaustingly beautiful a mammoth construction of which every nook and cranny has been polished to an unnerving shimmer. It is a stirring tribute to our world's natural beauty and a grim acknowledgement of our own starring role in its destruction. It tells a worthy and affecting story that we've dozens of character driven narrative threads into an epic tapestry across many miles, and almost as many months when the sun sets and the tail has been told Elise players with a virtual wild west playground. So convincingly rendered and fill the surprises that it seems boundless. It is defiantly slow paced exuberantly on fun and wholly unconcerned with catering to the needs or wants of its players. It is also captivating poignant. And at times shockingly entertaining. It moves with the clumsy heaviness of a nineteenth century locomotive. But like that locomotive becomes unstoppable. Once it builds up a head of steam whether intentionally or not its tail of failure and doom reflects the tribulations of its own creation. As a charismatic and self deluded leader tries. Evermore desperately to convince his underlings to follow him off a cliff paradise awaits he promises. Just push it a little bit further sacrifice a little bit more hanging there. A little bit longer such a masterful artistic and technical achievement. At what cost so many hours of overtime crunch? So many hundreds of names in the credits, so many resources financial and human expended for what what was the collective vision that drove this endeavor. And what gave so many people the will to complete? It was it all worth it in the end after seventy hours with red redemption to I have some thoughts on this questions, though, do not find my answer satisfactory or conclusive what I can say for sure is that the sheer scale of this creation the scale of effort required to create it. Yes. But also the scale of the thing it self and the scale of its achievement who ensure that those questions linger for years to come. Red dead, redemption. To is a follow up to read redemption. Let's just start there with the most basic intruding that can be said of this game yet, even that laughably obvious statement contains more meaning than it might first seem because the new game is so spiritually connected with its predecessor it nestles soon. Neatly with the twenty ten game that the two could have been concurrently conceived. It takes the same characters narrative themes in game ideas, introduced in the original and refines elaborates and improves on them. All yet, the two or more than separate links in a chain of interruption. Just as often they are complementary halves of a whole while new and improved in terms of design and execution. Read did to his narrative Lee prequel the year is eighteen ninety nine a decade before the events of the first game. Again, we take control of a steely eyed gunslinger in a wide-open abstracted version of the American west again, we were given free rein to explore a vast open world. However, we please again, we meet a cast of colorful characters. And again, we watch those characters contemplate the cost of human progress and urine for the half. -membered freedoms of mythic wild past. Again. We ride our horse across forests and deserts and plains again, we shoot and stab into capital. Untold scores of people again, we can LASSO dude off the back of a horse tie him up and throw him off a cliff. Our hero. This time around is a weathered slab of handsome named Arthur Morgan he's a taciturn type who looks like Chris pine cost playing the Marlboro man and a respected Lieutenant in the notorious Vandross gang are there was taken in by the gang as a kid and raised on violence. But is of course, blessed with an anti heroes requisite softer thoughtful side he'll kill a man for looking at them wrong. But he's also affectionate with his horse. He'll beat an unarmed. Debtor nearly to death at the behest of a colleague, but he's catches so beautifully in his journal at first Arthur struck me as deliberately on remarkable another grumbling white guy tabula Rasa onto which I was meant to project my own density by the stories end. I had come to see him as a character in his own, right? And a fine one at that actor Richard Clarke brings Arthur to life with uncommon confidence and consistency aided by a sophisticated mix of performance capture wizardry top-shelf animation and character artistry and exceptional writing each new trial. He survives peels back. A layer from his grizzled exterior gradually revealing him to be as vulnerable sad and lost as the rest of us. Arthur may be the story's protagonist. But. Editor to is an ensemble drama. The Lyn gang is more than just another Peckinpah as clutch of scoundrels on horseback. It's a community a mobile encampment consisting of about twenty men women and children each with their own story. Desires enroll their villains and psychopaths drunks, and miscreants and also dreamers runaways and lost souls. Just looking to survive each character has their own chances to shine particularly for players who take the time to get to know them all from the cook to the layabout to the loan shark each has become real to me in a way fictional characters. Rarely do. At the head of the table. Sits Dutch Vander Lind has complex and fascinating villain as I've met in a video game Benjamin. Byron Davis plays the Bosman perfectly. Imagining touches the constantly concerned watery eyed killer, he just cares so much. He is doing everything he can his voices perpetually on the edge of cracking out of concern, not concern for himself mind, but for you and for all the other members of this family of which he is the patriarch. It's all bullshit. Of course Dutch is a coward and a fool and all the more dangerous due to his capacity for self deception. He's the kind of man who would murder you in your sleep, then quietly weep over your corpse. You will never know how much it hurt him to hurt. You. The name Dutch Vanderlei shooting an ominous bell for anyone who played twenty tens red dead, redemption and remembers how it ends because read to is a prequel those familiar with its predecessor have the benefit of knowing how the Sokha will conclude that knowledge is indeed a benefit to the point that I will outline many of the first games broad strokes, including spoilers in this review my area with the original greatly helped me appreciate the many ways the sequel circles and elaborates upon its other earlier half, we know that the gang will eventually fall apart. We know that Dutch will lose his way in his mind. We know the John Marston seen in the sequel as a younger greener version of the man we played as in the first game will one day before to hunt down and kill his surviving compatriots, including Dutch, we know that John will die redeemed while protecting his family, and we know that John's son Jack is doomed to take up his father's mantle of outlaw and gunslinger predator dimension to busies itself was showing how things got to that point are for knowledge adds considerably to the sequels already pervasive sense of foreboding and routinely pays off in subtle occasionally thrilling ways. Things look grim from the start. The gang is hiding out in the mountains on the run from the law after a botched Bank robbery left them penniless down a few men and with a price on all their heads after surviving. A brutal earliest bring in the snow Dutch, Arthur and the rest of the crew set about rebuilding a new encampment in the green meadows near the town of Valentine rebuilding really means robbing and looting, of course, and things inevitably escalate the gangs antics eventually bringing the law down on them forcing them to relocate yet. Again, thus the narrative finds it structured driven by the wearying rhythms of escalation confrontation and relocation the caravan is driven east. Yes. Eased through grasslands and plantations to swamps cities and beyond each time. They move Dutch promises that things will be different this time, they'll find their peaceful paradise and settle down if they can just get some money. Of course, if they can just pull up one big score, you understand don't you? What would you have in do his lies become increasingly transparent than more emphatically? He tells them duchess selling the dream of an unspoiled paradise without acknowledging that he and his gang spoil every. Thing they touch by the end, his hypocr has become sickening and the many ways Arthur in is fellow gang members wrestle with and justify their continued allegiance. To Dutch undergirds some of red dead two's, most striking and believable drama red dead redemption to is set in a version of America that is both specific and abstracted characters routinely, speak of real places, like New York City, Boston and California. But the actual locations in the game. Are broadly drawn stand-ins the grizzlies are basically the rocky mountains. The state of the Moines is more or less, Louisiana and the bustling city of Saint Dini is based on New Orleans. There are no real historical figures to meet or talk within this game though. It is still clearly the result of copious research and attention to period. Accuracy as with the first read dead the world's fictional duality. Puts the story in gently abstracted space that allows the writers to comment on American history without worrying over much about historical. Accuracy, we're red redemption to loaded with cheap satire and Ireland commentary that approach would come across as a frustrating. Bit of ask covering fortunately, thanks to the game strong script it instead freeze the game up to. Paint strokes broad enough to capture the oppressive corruption that continues to be one of our nation's defining aspects time, and again, I was struck by how seriously this games writers took their characters themes and subject matter abstract or no red twos, America's still a nation reeling from the civil war where women are not allowed to vote, and where native Americans and their cultures are being systematically Radicati everything in the main narrative is treated with appropriate weight and humanity and never did I encounter a lapse into the sort of haphazard satire and everyone's sucks cop outs embraced by some of the same writers. In Rockstars depressingly. Missing throw pick grand theft auto series. These characters are all people, and they're all dealing with things people dealt with at the turn of the century in America their lives were hard and most of their stories ended badly. That's just how it went precious moments of kindness and generosity seem all the more precious against that dark backdrop, but even those are few and far between what starts outside. Valentine is a dreamy cowboy fantasy quickly becomes a weary parable about entropy villainy and the death of ally. Touches gang lives at the fringes of society. Out in the sort of untamed wilderness that in two thousand eighteen is becoming harder and harder. To find red debt-reduction too contains the most bracingly beautiful depictions of nature I have ever seen in a video game. And is happy to juxtapose that beauty with the ugly, violent human ambition that will eventually subjugate and destroy it. There's something ironic about technologically stunning piece of digital entertainment in which the characters constantly lament, the relentless progress that will eventually lead to the development of the television, and the microchip the very progress that will allow video games like this one to exist. It reveals something deep untrue true about our conflicted. Consumer culture that some of its finest start righteously castigates, the very systems that brought it into being read Ed redemption to maybe ultimately or even necessarily unable to resolve that paradox, but is more than willing to embrace an attempt to dismantle it the world of red, redemption too expansive and engrossing even while and often because the process of interacting with it can be frustrating and inconsistent. It's overwhelming visual beauty invites players in. But it's sludgy can aesthetics jumbled control scheme and unclear user interface. Keep them at arms. Length that artificial distance goes against many commonly understood game design principles yet. Also works to help perpetuate the convincing allusion of an unknowable parallel world. I only rarely found read to to to be fun in the way. I find many other video games to be fun. The physical act of playing it is rarely pleasurable on its own is often tiring and cumbersome, though, no less thrilling for it. No in game activity approaches, the tactile e pleasing acts of firing space rifle in destiny axing demon in God of war are jumping on Goumas and Super Mario brothers red dead to continues Rockstars longstanding rejection of the notions. That input response should be snappy, the control scheme should be empowered and intuitive and that animation systems should favour player input. Over believable onscreen action pressing a button and read the two rarely results in an immediate or satisfying response navigating Arthur through the world is less light controlling a video game character and Morley giving directions to an actor getting cover all tell him only to see him climb on top of the cover that press the button too late to my button press. Register at all dude, get down I'll cry. His enemies begin to open fire he'll slowly wheel around then slide down to the ground within the labyrinth stumbling animation get in cover. I'll command pressing the take cover button for what feels like the sixth time he'll hall body weight forward than finally crouched behind the wall Arthur's horse as yet another degree of remove with the press of a button, Arthur coaxes, his horse forward, pressing it rhythmically in time with the horse's hoof beats causes him to urge the horse to gallop, but you're still controlling the man, not the horse mind your direction for it is perilously easy to broadside a passing civilian and instigate a firefight or to collide with a rocker tree sending man and horse careening. Caddy womp is to the ground read the twos horses or meticulously detailed and gorgeous Lee animated and move through the world like real animals right up until they don't get too close to a boulder, across wise who wagon and the realistic facade crumbles leaving with grouchy unresponsive horse with its head clipping through a tree almost every interaction. Must be performed for the scene gauzy lustrous, cling wrap firefights or chaotic and random in aiming often feels wild and unmanageable. Rifles requires separate trigger polls to fire into chamber new round enemies move quickly in melt into the world's overwhelming visual Milia, and my resulting reliance on the heavily magnetized, aim assistance. Turn most fights into pop and fires shooting galleries Arthur moves slowly, particularly well in settlements are indoors. It's also possible to make him run too fast crashing through doors and into civilians navigating this world is arduous heavy in an elegant even the simple act of picking an object up off the floor can require two or three moments of repositioning waiting for an interaction prompt in a rockstar. I every character in animal in red did too can be interacted with in a variety of non violent ways. Usually that means you look at them, hold the left trigger and select greet or an tag is to govern. What Arthur says after antagonist you can tag is further or diffuse and see where things go from there. Characters may ask you a question or request your help after which highlighting them. We'll give you the chance to choose a response like Arthur's, physical interactions, these conversational systems feel awkward and unknowable yet introduce a fastener. Eating avenue of unpredictability. If I tag is this guy will he cower or attack me if I try to rob this lady, we'll see acquiesce or I don't know. Kick me in the nuts break, the law, even mildly while in the view of a law-abiding citizen in the runoff to report you Terry too long and a possible show up and a cost you they may not immediately opened fire instead drawing their weapons and instructing you to keep your hands up might they let you go with a warning might they arrest you or might they shoot. First and ask questions later, I've had different outcomes in different towns with different sheriffs after committing slightly different crimes, which was the variable. The change things I can't say for sure by and large. The ambiguity enhances the experience rather than detracting from it. Unlike so many open world games red redemption to does not want you to achieve dominance over it. It wants you to simply be in its world into feel like a part of it. It's a crucial distinction and a big part of what makes it also immersive and engrossing the thrill of playing read to like with so many other rockstar games comes not from how fun or empowering it feels on a moment to moment basis. It comes from the elect. Trich sense that you're poking and prodding at an indifferent. Freely functioning world every interaction the game from gunfights to Barbara all's to horse races feels fundamentally unknowable. The slightest mistake or changing course can lead to widely variable outcomes that annot ability gives every undertake an air of mystery that combined with the incredible level of detail in every square inch of the world stoked my imagination to begin filling in the gaps did this character in town. Really remember me from the last time, I visited several hours ago or was that just the result of a clever bit of scripted dialogue. Is there some hidden system governing who likes me in doesn't like me or am I imagining things with it really lower my chances of getting arrested if I change my clothes after a Bank heist whereas wearing a bandana over my face enough. If I go out in the woods with blood on my clothes will it attract bears. Those types of questions lurked behind every moment with red dead redemption to igniting the game world with the spark of the players own imagination. Most modern video games are eager to lay it all out in front of you. They put all the abilities ranks levels and progression systems in a spreadsheet for you to gradually. Fill out with red dead to rocks or has ignored that trend opting instead to obfuscate numbers. In almost every opportunity when the game does embrace numerical progression systems as with the newly expanded leveling system tied to health stamina and dead is slow MO aim those systems are often confusingly laid out and poorly. Explained those weaknesses emphasize read did two's greatest strength that it is less than easily understandable collection of game design systems and more on OPEC beguiling world. Here's a story. It's dumb in short and could stand in for one hundred other similar stories. I could tell after Arthur and the gang came down from the mountains. I found myself finally set loose in the open meadows outside the town of Valentine. I got it my horse away from the camp along the road stopping at the post office outside town after hitching up and dismounting I saw prompt in the corner of the screen indicating that I could search saddlebag not knowing what that meant. I pressed the button only to realize with horror that Arthur was reaching not into his own saddlebag, but into the draped over a strangers adjacent horse a scarcely had time to react before the horse kicked me. And I went flying into the. Mud. I almost fell out of my chair with surprise Arthur hastily backed away from the horse has left half. Freshly disheveled and covered in mud. I'd only just got into town already looked a mess thrown for a loop. And unsure what to do next. I wondered toward the post office. I watched a passing man pick his nose and eat it as I walked through the post office. I overheard a woman remark. I hope that's only mud on you looking at myself more closely. I wasn't so sure I left the building headed up toward town. Still bathed in filth. I went into a bar and instigated a cut scene throughout which Arthur remained covered in now slightly dried mud, I left. The bar only, then realizing that Arthur was no longer wearing his hat, a wild west guns on your knees. Had of course, it must have fallen off when the horse kicked me, I rode back to the post office. And Yep, there it was lying in the mud. I picked up the hat put it back on and rode back to town was that experience fun. Not exactly was it rewarding or empowering quite the opposite. It began with the game. Violently reacting to an action. I hadn't intended to take it ended with some backtracking to retrieve a hat that. I later would learn I could have just maj. Weekly conjured from my horse, but was it memorable? Was that something that could only have happened in this game? Did it make me laugh shake my head in amusement and wonder, what's small adventure indignity? I might stumble into next it sure did at every opportunity red dead redemption to forces you to slow down. Take it easy drink it in try to move too fast. And it will almost always punish you. It's PACE's outrageously languid compared with any other modern game. Especially in its first half. I spent a good chunk of my time just writing from place to place, and once I got where I was going often went on to engage in extremely low key activities over and over it favors believability and immersion over convenience looting enemy body. Instigates an involve animation that takes several seconds to complete washing. Your character. Requires you to climb into a bath and individually scrub your head and each of your limbs skinning dead animal involves a prolonged animation during which Arthur carefully parts, the creatures skin from its muscles before carrying the hide rolled up like a carpet over to his horse. You can also choose not to skin the animal and instead carpets entire corpse to the butcher. Don't leave at tied to the back of your horse for too long though, or it will begin to rot and attract flies that consistently impose Luna's forced me to slow down and take in. What is arguably this gains defining characteristic? An incredible overwhelming focus on detail red dead redemption to lives for details where you to create a word cloud of every review published about it. The words detail in details would almost certainly feature prominently alongside western and gun and horse testicles. It's impossible not to obsess over the level of detail in this game from the incredibly detailed social ecosystem of its towns to the ludicrously elaborate animations to the shop catalogues and the customizable, rifling graving 's and on and on and on let's start with the foliage. I mean, why not we could start anywhere. Let's start there. The full age in this game is fucking transcendent. It is hands down the most amazing video game foliage I have ever seen when you walked past it it moves like fully shit when you ride through it are three acts like a person on a horse would probably react to fully edge. Even after all these hours. I'm still impressed by the foliage. I could talk. About the foliage for another four paragraphs which illustrates how difficult it is to capture the volume variety of astonishing details in this game every weapon in every outfit is accompanied by fully written lengthy catalogue entry, the fantastic entirely optional theatrical shows you can attend performed by what appear to be actual motion captured entertainers the drummer in a proto jazz band moves his sticks realistically matching snare and cymbal hits flawlessly to the music, and I am convinced. That rocks are hired a professional fire answer to come and perform in their mobile app studio, seemingly every minute reveals yet more surprises once a man picked my pocket. So I shot him in the legacy fled. He carried on limping until I caught him. Once I randomly struck up a conversation with a disabled civil war vet who said he remembered me from the last time, we talked which led to an extended apparently unique conversation concerning Arthur's life and feelings about what was currently happening in the story. Once I shot at a bandit who was chasing me an accidentally hit his horse. Then watched in horrified awe as this horse flipped over onto its face tripping up the man riding behind him leaving them in a tumble of limbs and blood once while riding. Outside and other character in a snowstorm. I realized that if I drew further away from my compatriot both characters would be T L as I got closer they returned to their regular speaking voices after Arthur finished butchering Turkey. I noticed that his right hand remained covered in blood. I hope that's not your blood. A man subsequently said to me as I passed later it rained in the blood washed off another time Arthur took off his gun belt while boarding a riverboat casino in the entire process was fully animated. Those are all examples of something. I've come to think of as detail porn video game detail porn is huge on the internet. People. Love to share tiny amazing details from their favorite games, holding them up his praiseworthy. Evidence of the developers hard work and determination. I've indulged in my share of detail porn mongering over the years mining page views and Twitter likes from spider man's voice over work, tomb, raiders, weirdly. Impressive doorway transition. Horizons zero don's amazing animations assassin's creed. Odyssey's ridiculous helmet physics and even the absurdly detailed revolver hammers in a red dead to promotional screen shot. This game will inspire more detail. Than any since Rockstars zone. Grand theft auto five it's incredible focus on minutiae plays an integral role in making it such an overloading an engrossing experience and often left me marveling at how such a feat of artistic engineering could be completed at all. How did they do this? I asked myself over and over again, there are answers to that question. Of course, each one raises many more questions of its own. It has long been an open secret in the games industry that rockstar studios. Embrace a culture of extreme work culturally enforced, voluntary overtime, and prolonged periods of crunch the secret part of that open secret evaporated somewhat over the past week as a controversial comment by rockstar co founder and red dead redemption to writer, Dan, Houser set off a cascade of revelations about work conditions at the new Torius Lee secretive company over the past month. My colleague Jason schreier spoke with nearly ninety current and former rockstar developers in his report on the matter paints, a picture of a vast and varied operation that for all its talk of change has clearly spent years embracing and profiting off of a culture of exorbitant over work that even many who say there are. Proud to work at rockstar want to see changed play red dead, redemption. Two for just a few minutes in the fruits of that labor will be immediately apparent this. Wonderful unusual game was clearly Titanic logistical undertaking. Every cut scene every railroad bridge every interior every wandering non player. Character has been polished to a degree. Previously. Only seen in more limited linear games. If ninety dollars relatively constrained uncharted for required. Sustained intense crunch to complete what must've taken to make a game a hundred times that size, but with the same level of detail. As critic Chris Dahlen once put it while ruminating on how much easily miserable painstakingly sculpted work is included in the average big budget game that some full of the Roman empire stuff right there. I sometimes struggled to enjoy to redemption two's most impressive elements because I knew how challenging and damaging some of the must've been to make yet just as often I found myself appreciating those things even more knowing that so many talented people had poured their lives into crafting something this incredible watching red dead redemption twos. Thirty four minute credit sequence was a saga on its own. I've watched in skipped countless lengthy credit sequences in my years playing video games. But this time I decided to really pay attention to try to get a real sense of the scope of this eight year production, I game the names one tends to associate with the game and its overall quality the executive producers the studio heads the directors right at the top of the writers. Dan, Houser Michael owns worth in Rupert Humphries who substantial efforts resulted in such a fine script filled with such wonderful characters. Soon thereafter came the technical credits which began to give fuller sense of the many many people who brought this game to life. He was the lead vegetation artist JD Celo joined by ten other vegetation, artists Becca stabler. Name was in a bigger font than Rex McGuinness's. But which of them was responsible for the foliage that so impressed me. Maybe they'd tell me they weren't responsible at all. And it was really the engineers who rigged it up after that came rod edge director of performance capture and cinematography a top list of directors and camera artists responsible for making those cuts seen so lifelike. In believable. Then came audio director Alistair McGregor whose team created a sonic landscape that occasionally. Fired me to just close my eyes and lose myself and who stitched Woody Jackson's pitch perfect musical scores. So seamlessly into the world around me who made the rain who crafted the thunder was at George Williamson or Sarah, Scott. I don't know made me Matthew. These was the weather guy page after page of names passed by far too many reader internalize camp in town content design animation production, coordinators horse systems, design, maybe one of them designed the horse kick that sent me flying into the mud developments support player insights and analytics the soundtrack switched to a folk song about the hardships of life. I've been living too fast. I've been living to wrong crooned, the singer cruel cruel world, I'm gone the credits kept rolling in the phone, Scott smaller, some pleasant instrumental music started playing soon came the quality assurance testers. The names of who's rank and file members were listed in massive blocks spread across four pages. Those people three hundred eighty three and all were responsible for helping make the game as smooth and polished as it is many of them were employees at Rockstars QA offices in Lee. Incan England, reportedly the home to some of the most brutal overtime crunch of all those testers work like the work of so many game developers is invisible. But no less vital. How many of them caught a game play bug that might have destroyed? My safe file enforce me to start over did Reese Geoghegan or Jay Patel, which of the made sure that every plant my character pick from the ground. Believably flopped over in his hand. Maybe that was catchy Jones Williams or Emily Greaves in which names weren't on that list at all who are the people who burned out and quit only to be cut from the credits because per rockstar stated policy, they didn't make it across the finish line. It is nearly impossible to answer any of those questions just as it is impossible to assign credit for this marvelous and unusual game to anyone person or even any team of people. That's just the way entertainment of the scale is made vast numbers of people spread around the globe churning for years in order to make something previously thought to be impossible. It's a process from a different galaxy than the loan artists sitting quietly in front of a blank easel. It has as much in common with industry with art for years rockstar or at least rockstar. Has built and maintained a reputation for being talented successful jerks. We make great games there pasta as always defiantly communicated so fuck off its reputation bolstered by many rockstar products. Most notably the cynical grand theft auto series with its asshole characters nihilistic worldview, yet how to reconcile that reputation with red dead redemption to could a bunch of jerks really lead the effort to create something so filled with humanity and overwhelming, beauty, I suppose our reputation as a company was that we're profoundly anti-social history. Onic and looking to be controversial, Dan Houser told the New York Times and a twenty twelve interview promoting grand theft auto five, and we never saw it in that light. We saw ourselves as people who are obsessed by quality obsessed by game design, of course, it is possible to be all of those things at once and given how antisocial and willfully controversial GTE five being it was hard at the time to take Hauser's comments at face value taken alongside this vastly more earnest heartfelt new game. Those comments assume a slightly different cast intentional or not read redemption to can be read as a meditation on failed leaders and even as a potent critique of the. Internal and external cultures rockstar has helped perpetuate Dutch Vander Lind is every inch manipulative boss. Frightening not only for his violent nature, but for his ability to marshal people to work against their own self interest time, and again, he reveals his shameless hypocrisy in his promises of a new life are consistently shown to be empty maneuvering. This isn't a prison camp. He says at one point uncannily echoing every supervisor who has ever coerced and underlying into technically optional task I am not forcing anybody to stay. So either we're in this together working together to get out together or were not there simply isn't a reality in which we do nothing and get everything. I have expected him to promise everyone bonuses. If they hit their sales target the parallels between game development and gang leadership aren't always. So readily apparent Baretta redemption to repeatedly sets its sights on the systematic damage enabled by irresponsible leaders. It does not celebrate his actions or his worldview, it repudiates them in no uncertain. Terms. Dutch is a failure in a disgrace. Arguably the games truth villain. Thanks to the I read dead. We already know that he fails. We even know how he. Is not in a blaze of noble glory, but alone in cold with no one left to stand by him rockstar games. One of the most successful entertainment purveyors on the planet will never meet the same fate. But the people who wrote their latest game. Sure seem aware of the risks of ambition. Red redemption to is primarily a story about nature human nature, but also the natural world and the catastrophic ways the two intersect. It is an often unbearably wistful Imaz to long lost era not of human history. But of the earth itself get pines for a time when the wind carried only the sense of animals and cook fires when the world was rich in its bounty seemed limitless when the night sky was thick with stars and unmarred by light pollution. We do not live in that world. If we ever did every year. It gets hotter. Every year. The storms are worse. Every year, it gets harder to breathe we are careening toward ruin and no one seems able to stop us. Those of the power to lead appear to blinkered and self interested to care. I was moved by this video game. I was moved by its characters and their sacrifices in by the lies. I heard them tell themselves I was moved by its exceptional artistry in by seeing yet again, what is possible when thousands of people during their precious talent and time into the creation of something spectacular. But above all that I was moved that. So many people would come together to make such a sweeping owed to nature itself to the wind and leaves the mist in the forest and the quiet home of the crickets at twilight. Midway through the story. Arthur and Dutch arrive at the city of Saint Dinnie there. She is a real city. Spits Dutch the future the camera cuts away for I look at this much talked about metropolis the men have not been greeted with bright lights or theater marquees. They have met with smokestacks soot and the deep grooms of industry an ominous Keating tone plays on the soundtrack after hours spent freely writing in the open air, it is shocking. Several hours later, I departed Sainteny and made my return to camp as Arthur road the city outskirts gradually gave way to thickening underbrush. IBM to see fewer buildings and more trees before long Arthur, and I were once again in folded by the forest. It was twilight and the wind was shushing through the trees, a thick fog rolled in an emerald leaves swirled across the path ahead. I heard rumbles through my headphones. The storm was brewing alone in my office. I took a deep breath I wondered if I would ever taste areas. Clean is the air. Arthur was breathing at that moment. It is human nature to pursue greatness. Even when that pursuit brings destruction is also human nature to pursue achievement as an end unto itself, red dead, redemption to is in some ways emblematic of those pursuits and other Hollis. The game is saying that progress is a cancer that humanity poisons all that it touches, but it was forged at the apex of human progress. It's gee whiz. Technical virtuosity has built an expiration date and in ten years time the cracks in its facades will be much more apparent at unimaginable costs. And with unsustainable effort, it establishes a new high water Mark that will perpetuate the entertainment industry's relentless pursuit of more accelerating technological arms race that can only end at an inevitable unfathomable breaking point, but there is a pulse pumping through this techno, artistic marvel. This game has heart kind of heart that is difficult to pin down but impossible to deny. It is a wonderful story about terrible people. And if I tremendously sad tribute to nature itself there is so much beauty and joy in this expensive exhausting. Thing somehow that makes it even more perfect a breathtaking eulogy for a ruined world created by about and forests society that ruined it.

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How I May Destroy You Became the Show of the Summer

Little Gold Men

37:13 min | 1 year ago

How I May Destroy You Became the Show of the Summer

"I'm Pooja Patel, and this is the pitchfork. Review. Each episode your favorite pitchfork writers and editors bring you in depth analysis. It could be like a ten minute short film. Explore the best new music like we're all being as we talk about. Revisit. Stitch fork gave it a perfect ten and report on the latest Music News. This song went viral. tiktok won't be this. Is The pitchfork review? Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello and welcome to little Goldman the award season podcast from Vanity Fair. It's such an honors present this next award. The nominees and The group. Goes and I can't deny the fact that you. On the. Mistake. Light. You guys won best picture. I'm Katie rich the deputy editor of Vanity Fair Dot, com and I'm here with our digital director. Cogan Good Morning Katie and joining us again. We have our senior editor Hillary visas. Hello, and joining us get our Hollywood writer Johanna distal Alot Glaspie back. We're missing Richard Lawson this week because he's moving congratulations to Richard on finding an apartment. If you follow him on twitter, it has been quite a journey for him, but he'll be joining us back again soon, and we have a lot to talk about. Although I will also say I went back and listen to a little bit of our episode from this time last year, and we were talking about once upon a time in Hollywood coming out. Out and the Toronto lineup and the catch trailer, and now the fact that like we think we have a lot to talk about now shows you. How much has changed in the last year, but I wanted to start letting Johanna a log roll a little bit for a great story that went online this week. Johanna, you talk to mean the woman who I think is the face, if not the voice of the pandemic Sarah Cooper. trumpetings tell us about talking to Sarah, and actually hearing her real voice which I don't think I ever have yeah I think that was the thing. I was most excited for just to hear her real voice. I feel like a lot of her fans. Don't actually know what she sounds like. which is very surreal, but it was great I did a zoom interview with her A. A few weeks ago now at this point, she was wearing the blazer that she always does for her like that. She always wears for her impressions. She was in the we work where she shoots a lot of her stuff. So I was very like on the scene with her as much as I could be, but she was great. You know she was really really sweet and she. She has memorized so many trump speeches that she has a really interesting psychoanalysis like reading on Him. So it was really interesting to hear what she thinks him from that point of view, can you summarize it for our listeners? I'm well I. Don't think so a little shock you, but she called him sociopaths. She called him evil, but she was. She was talking about how certain things are like harder for him to talk about like whenever he had to talk about loss of life for like try to be sympathetic towards the American, people of the pandemic, he would stumble on his words. He would struggle a lot, and she found that really really interesting, so that was one of the key takeaways. I think she did a shot for shot remake of cats. It would win best picture this. That's my. Cooper yeah. Yeah I don't think it's too late either I think that could happen for this year. I think she could do it. It's funny like if you go far back on her TIKTOK, she does links of other things, but she's completely abandoned that because of trump mania. Beyond excited to see her, do other things. That was something we talked about too is what she wants to do after this 'cause now she's she's got like a whole team. Assembled Hollywood has come calling for her, and she wants to write a show about the pseudo character in that she plays in all her trump videos, which is like this bizarro girl boss, who fails all the way up entrance based? Based on that and I'm I'm really curious about that. Yeah, especially like after you know the stories about the wing and the other like you know quote, Unquote girl bosses of the era I feel like that's even more relevant than playing trump right now like that's something she could play as herself, and like the tone that she striking in those videos with all honor and confidence. I would love to see that. Well to to review the episode. We want to talk about a couple of hyper cancellations. In recent weeks, including tents release until you right film festival as well as he plans for fall festival season, and then we're gonNA. Talk about to me. What seems like the only show on the air? That anyone is talking about right now. Which is I made a story. You pro, sorry. Maybe I may destroy you and also the floor is. Is, lava which will do another episode about Sunday, but first. Let's talk about tenants yesterday as we record this. Warner! Brothers announced. It will be delayed indefinitely. Which I think everyone assumed would happen, but to me felt really depressing anyway, because there was always a sense that like maybe things could be normal again. Somehow I don't know. How did you guys go when you saw? The tenant was delayed other than well. I guess that was inevitable. I don't understand really why. Warner Brothers kept pushing date to a specific release rather than just kind of from the from the start when it was clear, that July seventeenth wasn't going to happen why they didn't just Kinda. Take it off the schedule and say we'll put it back when. Cedars are open again like something a little more ambiguous then you know. Pinning their hopes on specific dates more than once just to see those dashed as the phonetic continued I mean that just seems like. Maybe they had done that. That could've avoided some heartbreak. Well, it's kind of an effort to throw a bone to movie theaters right like no Lynn or wonder explicit bopping like we want to be the first movie back. We want to help theaters recover, and maybe having being like AMC could be like okay. Well, you know by August. We'll be okay and everyone kept like pretend for a little bit longer. Although the power is self-delusion, this era like it might not be as useful as maybe we'd like to think it is just really feels like. All and we're all Charlie Brown. AM, also imagining Nolan has enough clout that he's not gonNA. Himself to be put in limbo, so he he maybe insisting you know if you're gonNA, push it. I want to know the date that it's coming out. which might seem like a good idea until it continually gets bumped? It's funny how? Sometimes I think of Warner as sort of more conservative leaning of the studios, and it's funny how they are the ones in this spot of being so anxious to reopen, and just getting sort of like Hillary said Lucy football again and again. Although I'm not ruling out the possibility that that we're in new timeline where tenant actually came out in one, thousand, nine, hundred five. Google tenants been out all along. It wasn't side of all of us. That is a pet theory. The Hollywood executive Jeff Giles. That tenant does not exist at all that it is just a marketing campaign. Nobody will ever see it. Everybody who's. Allegedly in the cast is in on the conspiracy. And the rest of us are just. Being Strung on until the end of time. It's like the perfect role for our repentance in weird. I don't know I. Think. Every studio is going. Be Put in this position where like it comes time for their big movie and they're gonNA. Come to the realization that they can't have a domestic release I mean one thing about tenant that I find interesting too, is that? Some sources are saying that it might release overseas like it might start releasing other countries, although I don't really see that happening just because of the possibility of the movie being ripped and put online, but I don't know I find that really interesting prospect too is. Reinventing their release schedule the release rollout in this way it's. It's hard to believe that there could be a time when movies been in countries besides the US new K.. I and we get leftovers. After other places after other markets have already seen I, mean I don't know that. Does that kind of feel like the late last nail in the coffin of American exceptionalism? We deserve it. Teach us a lesson. We don't deserve tenant and as such. It'll probably happen in about three weeks. I mean it's very clear that American does not deserve tenant at this point but I. Think you're right Johanna that like if they released ten in China or some, even like Spain or somewhere where the cases are much better it will just immediately be online, and like Nolan fans are the people who you can imagine you know illegally downloading a movie, but also like the financials are so of mind boggling like how does Warner Brothers make any money so it worth it to like get one hundred million dollars from overseas, rather than the nothing of waiting until twenty, twenty, one or the March. Decreased turns that they would get if they released it on demand, which I guess just financially is financially feasible, even though don't you feel like every person with a pulse in the US would want to see this movie if it were released on demand. I I know they would make as much money as they put it out and the traditional theaters during its using a traditional released, but I've got to imagine it would be a bonanza i. feel like it would make a lot of money, but I feel like that. Christopher Nolan thinking about somebody watching this movie on their iphone is. So powerful that weren't relatives won't do it out of fear. You'll. Die, it'd be so sad. Yeah I wonder if like a quiet place part two is the movie does because I. Don't think since trolls. There's been like a big movie. That's open directly. To. Scoop the such. A tent pole released this summer. I feel like trolls really went for in a lot of other people have been more hesitant, but you know I'm looking at box office. Mojo, for whatever it's worth scheduling. The conjuring three is scheduled for September right now like that's maybe something that they'd put on demand Tenet. outlier for one behind it and being as big as it is. Maybe move on I. Don't know I don't know who would be close to considering that kind of on-demand release. It requires a family friendly movie, too. I think that was one of the things that helped trolls. The Lot was parents across the nation were like. Yes, we'll. We'll watch whatever our kids, WANNA. Watch right now, and we'll. TWEET! Desperate in April, but let me tell you. Hi I'm Jay Patel Editor in chief of PITCHFORK. And this is the pitchfork review. It's a podcast for music obsessed it's. After and the music curious. Why do we listen to music each episode? Your favorite pitchfork writers and editors bring you in depth analysis. It could be like a ten minute short film with how specific he gets. Explore the best new music like we're all being as we. Revisit old classic. Gave it a perfect ten and report on the latest. Music News. This song went viral on Tiktok. WHAT BE THE PITCHFORK? Review drops every Friday at midnight, starting on July ten tune then and in the meantime subscribe on Apple, podcasts, spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts, listen to the pitchfork review and hear music differently. Okay, so speaking of cancellations, which is the summer that we are in? It was about a week ago that the tyrod Film Festival announced that they would not happen at all. which is something I, think was somewhat expected, but in the meantime the Toronto Film Festival is kind of powering forward they announced today that the opening film will be a spike Lee's film of David Byrne's American Utopia, a Broadway show, which honestly sounds great and something. something. I would love to watch and they sent an email to press kind of explaining that all the presidents will be remote. Know what you plan to Travel Toronto which if you're in America, you can't Hillary or Johanna or Mike watching the festival season kind of try to exist at all. Do you guys? Is there a way that it can succeed or is everyone just kind of trying to salvage the best that they hand? And move on. I mean I. Think both. It can succeed at Salvaging as best Ken. How I view it, you know it's obviously going to be different year. There's going to be fewer movies. You know I've been saying this for a long time I. Feel like there is an opportunity for movies that might not otherwise get that much attention to get attention and be heralded. In a year, where basically palm springs and defy gloves are like the two movies that I can think of that came out. That were good. You know there's room for like something. That would otherwise maybe be overshadowed by ten or whatever I think, it'll be really interesting I think that. The technologies and practices that are being developed now are going to continue to be in place I think it'd be really interesting for the festivals to think as they're doing all this you know. How can we create something that going forward makes the festival more inclusive and more publicly, interesting and compelling, and then you know I think the Hollywood community, such as it is has to just think about ways to continue to do its work while being sensitive to the fact that there are more. More important things happening right now than film festivals, or or when we get around to like the Emmys in the Oscars than those things, but that people still want to have those things. People still want to watch live. People still want to watch sports so I. Don't know it's GonNa be it's GonNa. Be Interesting, super, different, lower volume of stuff coming out, which which is not the worst thing to be nice to kind of spend a little more time with a fewer number of films, just as a viewer, maybe this year and give some more attention to things that might otherwise overlooked. And I do wonder also fat. The pared-down aspects of it will mean that there's there are fewer opportunities for the that do come out to kind of fall that meeting victim to is the wrong word, but to become kind of overblown or overage over buzzed because I think that feeling of watching something in your home is obviously very different from something in a movie theater packed with celebrities, and that's packed with media people that's packed with people who are really really eager to make a movie into an event in thing, and you know, maybe that means that we get fewer. This is not a not a telluride or Toronto, but maybe that means that we will get fewer things like Parkersburg nation, which was this enormous sundance sensation, and then not not only because of the background of rooms, but the film also I. Think was reconsidered in light the harsh light of day after the festival and people kind of. Were a lot less hot on it than they had been. Because of the movie is construction it script and everything and so I don't know. Maybe maybe that's kind of a good thing for these movies that the things that persist are going to be. Things maybe of more merit and less buzzy, because of the circumstances under which they premiered. I'd imagine that if the festival fever goes away. That's not a great thing. If you're a PR professional in Hollywood, but yeah, it could definitely change I mean literally in Sundance. They talk about the high altitude and I. Think it's real. You know you're a little lightheaded like hung over from whatever or drunk. and. You know. How are you gonNA be at home. It's different I. do think it's obvious, BUT TORONTO NEEDS TO MAKE A. SMART TV APP that you can get on your Roku and on your apple. TV like. This cannot be watching stuff on your laptop. I just don't think that that's A. We believe that that could be a make or break thing on whether this is kind of cool new thing or whether it's total. Yeah. I mean I think about the festival fever. Thing that like I. Don't know maybe I'm too much of a PR person at heart lake I think about seeing. I Tanya Toronto which I don't like John like the era defining masterpiece, but I had a lot of fun watching it. It was like really fun to watch the premiere. That's can the engine that powered Alison Giannis run for supporting actress. And then what like a year later? The same thing for if Beale street could talk, which is a really quiet? Thoughtful movie I think the kind of movie that you really can engage with at home, but like the buzz out of that is what Got Regina King. Husker like those systems really work and having to rebuild it from scratch. This year is going to be really fascinating to watch. but I think the fact that that won't exist. This year is why you've seen the tip line that we have so far. You're not getting a lot of like hardcore awards. Hopefuls I think all of them are going to wait. Until January or February probably like they're gonNA have to reinvent a system for themselves because I think if you have a movie that you have hoped for, but it doesn't can't feed off the energy of screening like that then what's the point of debut? And at that early, which is a really interesting look at the tiff lineup and I think some titles that might not get attention otherwise we'll show up, but I think you'll lose that kind of engine that fuels award season from any of these fall festivals that are still happening. I mean I would argue that movie that can buy attention right now is. A great movie. Deserves all the praise it gets. So the Guard for best picture is what you're saying. Gene! Well one thing I think is interesting, too. Is telluride is to release the list of the movies that they were going to put up right? That's something that they announced. I feel like I've seen rumors about that, but that's holy possible. Well I just wonder like if the PR folks, who are you know figuring out how they're going to create new narratives wolf, find a way to turn that into a narrative like look. It was going to be a selection. It was designated as a chosen film by this group of people. Maybe that'll be half buzz like I'm interested in seeing like how people will try to build that buzz anyway. I think can released. What would have been its lineup? A partial can't lineup was announced even though the festival didn't happen. But I do think it's a really good point the. Festival fever is kind of a an excess of a thing that's really really important and good about festivals, which is that a community of people get together and watch movies and of decide in real time, which ones they're excited about right, and then, and then convey that to the world through social media and traditional media, and so trying to think about what is the. What's the social aspect of whatever viewing? Mechanism there is I think is worth really really thinking about I mean something that will definitely not be the case this year but I found super interesting is I got an oculus quest, which is Vr headset and you can play games on it and do weird stuff on it, and partly just interested as the digital person at Vanity Fair. At what point will this become a technology that we can use but one of the things that is in it that you can do is go to a virtual movie theater. And Talk to other real people who are sitting in virtual seats near you and it's a totally immersive, three hundred and sixty degree I. Mean you look around and you're like in a movie theater and everyone basically is looking around going. This is weird. The Internet is Super Weird. The screen was like something from the Monterey. Aquarium of like of like jellyfish, so it's just obviously just proof of concept, but you can imagine a world. These things cost three, hundred, three, hundred and fifty dollars or something. You can imagine a world where you know. In the next few years, Hollywood studios could send to knock device to every voter and say like. Why don't you come to a virtual screening? There's there technologies really reaching a very very interesting crazy place. More boringly, you know they should just think about how to incentivize people to share their thoughts on on social media, and maybe have an opportunity to chat before, and after obviously, the studios are doing things where they're having remote cast interviews and things like that, but you don't WanNa. Lose that feeling of a community and even that sense of exclusivity as annoying as it is to the outside. World is also part of what gets people excited to share. What they've learned and build buzz on behalf of the studio. So I think it's going to be really interesting to see how the technology driven behaviors evolve because of this giant restraint of the pandemic. Who Whoever wants up cracking virtual premieres and figures out a way to do them so that they are exciting and glamorous, and you know something that you wanna participate in. That's going to be really huge because they're certainly they're certainly reason to continue employing those even after the world goes back to normal I. Don't have any what around me that I can knock on so hate maybe just to the world to never return to normal but yeah the the handful of virtual. Premiere events that is quote. Unquote attended have just been I. Don't know there's such a bummer like. Did anything like this. Is it like it's just? It's like this zoom. Call that we're on right now except. There is like a star in Lega fancy dress in. Are Stars and fancy dresses at a couple of the cubes and I mean there's there's a voyeuristic thriller getting to look inside. It was love at his house. I guess, but it's just sad. It's halting because you can't talk over each other. The temp. Jobs right and they have sent like publicity packages to a into some of the. People who are attending, so it's like everybody can raise their saying promotional soap, years or glasses at the same time but lake. It bounced me out I. Don't know if there's a way to make the not Obama or maybe maybe it's Goofy oculus headsets. Maybe everybody's wearing them on top of their fancy dresses. Have you also been bummed out by zoom premieres? I have actually wrote a piece about this 'cause I went I went to heavy quotes to the snow piercer premier, and it's just not the same. It's exactly what Hillary described. You're just looking at a really beautifully. Put together. You know live zoom. There's lots of effort and clearly lots of money being spent on it, and sometimes a really nice things being sent in the mail lock of Free Booze. Lots and lots and lots of free booze, but yeah it just. On this. Hey, That, but yeah, it's just. It doesn't capture the feeling in the same way. The Electricity of at all and it can't capture the feeling the same way. Obviously, so I don't know. Maybe there's a way to not. Not Be trying to recreate the feeling of being the live. Your just make it into something else entirely and i. have no idea that life. I do wonder though if it's like if it's the French, dispatch Sanderson movie that everyone's excited to see. It's got a huge Hass obviously, and so there's there's an excitement to see the movie itself that fence the Snow Pierce heard a little bit different like I. Wonder if like. If you're on a zoom for thirty minutes before the movie starts, and you get to see whoever's you know, get to see Timothy. Schulman has beautiful quarantine hair. In the movie stars and you can like side chat with your friends. I mean obviously folks on the movie I wonder. If you know the movies, it usually would be it. A fall festival will carry some of that excitement to make. You want to put up with another zoom after your zooms. Are they making small groups? Because that's that seems to me to be what the key thing would be. It's like it's like going to an old. Awards, dinner and you'd have a star at each table. So. It's kind of like when I taught this. Class this summer one of the things. If you had a discussion on zoom, you can create breakout rooms and just put everybody in smaller groups, and then they can actually have a discussion right, so you can imagine having okay at the beginning like hey, everybody like quick remarks. There's two hundred people on this call, and then it's like all right. We're going to create twenty or thirty rooms and stars are going to kind of visit the various rooms to talk to people. Then then you're at least starting to get something that's bordering on interesting, and you can actually talk. You know but like you said Hillary. If there's one hundred people on a call, it's just like. You know we've been on those calls. It's a little. It's a little difficult. I love the idea of like a like an awards dinner. You know those lunches. One token celebrity at your table and they get like harassed by everyone else in the zoo. I mean it's a lot. Less work for them. They don't have to Blake. Show up in person somewhere, but I can really see that that off I'm sure all the stars really miss those events. The Great. They don't have to take selfies with anyone. Oh no the. Zoom screen shots replacing fees. Let me. Is. Events because the stars. Love Validation I. Don't know if you've. Noticed this. About what are you talking about? Huge true. I mean. Have you guys done like Netflix's party or any of the other like watch something live with other people like just on your own. I have not really done anything like that I've watched some of the zoom specials happen, but the idea of like scheduling and events at a time to I'll watch something together I haven't gotten into, but it does feel like that has at least gotten more common lately and a festival could kind of adopt that. I have a couple of times at once using the net flex party chrome plug in, and once just by US pressing play different places at the same time, and you like what's APP during the movie and it's fun I mean it is? It's obviously not the same as being in the room and watching together, but there are ways in which it's better because you're not talking, so you can pay a little closer attention to what you're actually watching. Your texting during which is what I would be doing when I was watching something on TV anyway, so we have reminds me of how we all watched the Oscars for the past ten years. Right Oh. You're right very being a war room of fair on slack. Novi seeking loud. All right well, speaking of things that we're all watching at home whether or not with our friends. I said in the beginning of the show. It feels like Michaela Kohl's I may destroy you. The breakout show of the summer. You guys can tell me if I'm overlooking something, but it's the this. The one show that I see people might twitter feed being like Oh. My God I cannot wait for whenever the next episode is going to drop and Johanna you have been like extremely on the I may deter you beat which I really appreciate because after every episode I'm like what who is. Johanna interviewed about this So do you want to just I know? Do you want to explain why the show has been such a breakout? Yeah. So mechanical came out on the scene with her show. A couple years back, and it was much more of a traditional comedy, but it towards. And she got the deal to do destroy, and she talked about like what it was going to be about a couple of years ago in her McTaggart lecture inspired by her real life, she was writing. The second season of chewing gum went out with some friends. Her drink got spiked and she was raped and she. Went through reported. It tried to right through it and all that and so the show is kind of. Like a Meta story, it's bits based on a writer who's writing a second book who also gets assaulted and is trying to process the events of what happened and seeing the many ways in which trauma manifests in her life and in her work, and it's not originally. I thought it going to be like a drama, maybe like it is, but it's way more of a drama. It's incredibly incredibly intense, but it's just. It's so good and attack kind of slow burn. I was talking about this Hillary night. We're talking about this a while. Back I feel like when it first came out. I think it was kind of slow to catch up with American audiences. It's also like staggered. We're getting way later than British. Audiences are getting it, but yeah, but now that American audiences are like were a little more than halfway through the season. It's yeah like you said the only show people talk about right. It's really amazing. And Hillary you I think. God came onto it late. Because Honda was recommending it. I did I've gotta say I was slow at to start watching. It I was reluctant because I knew the bare bones. I knew it was about. Knew that it was about trauma and I was honestly. This is a running theme of my commentary. Today I was like I. Don't know if I can handle that right now. I. Don't know if I. Have Space in my brain for something more complicated than the floor is lava. Thank you for validating my love of the floors. Coming next week and Whether, they should have used the pizza paddle to consider. So yeah I avoided it for a while because I was worried that it would just be too much of a for me on, and it is heavy and not going to say that it isn't but I'm so glad that I started watching it, because had he has it is is also just so so well made so such great characters, such great dialogue. It feels so real. Um, it's not exaggerated in a way that I feel like a shows about similar. There's there's not is taking place in a heightened universe, basically taking place in our world, which I appreciate, and it just is so kind of laser focused on these issues without being. Cheer after school `specially or I I just think that it Scott. It strikes a really great balance met when it is funny. It's very funny and I do feel like it's not a show that I at least could binge because after episode I feel like I kind of just have to take a few deep breaths, and then you know, get a pallet cleanser. But yes. I recommend it. I would also love to talk about it with everybody. I feel like that's also part of why it was a sober and like I'm a huge Michaela. Coal Fan could not wait for this got a bunch of the screeners watch the first two episodes, and then I was just like okay. I need to give the show a couple of days, or maybe a couple of weeks, and like I think about it, and then return to it because yeah, the heavy parts are very heavy and I think that speaks to. Why maybe some folks were slower to view because they had that hesitation, or they had the experience with the first episode, and they wanted to give it some more time to sink in a little bit more. As you keep washing it, also you. The world starts to get filled out a little bit more. It's not just a show about mechanical, and or about her character, and about this particular salt. It's also about her friends. It's also about their acquaintances, also about all these experiences that they have that all of 'em start flashing back to rethinking and wondering whether what they thought happened isn't really what happened. There's this twisty line element to it. And yet? It's a lot more complex than the log line might make it seem. Yeah? The first episodes kind of made me feel like it was gonna be like a detective show almost like she has this night out in the first episode much just that whole entire night out, and then she's trying to piece together what happened and she's having these flashbacks and she's trying to hunt down this woman who was out with her I am a little puzzled by how. How it has late. There's a lot of characters in the first two episodes who basically don't come back again. And maybe they come back in the end and in the third episode re-lead pivots, and it goes. It's as flashback entirely in Italy. Were we see her? In the beginning of the first episode? As you're saying Hillary those kind of twisty timeline, stuff for a while, I. I was like hang on I. Don't feel to show that. I was going to watch I. don't care that much about this guy in Italy that really revealed what the show was doing. It's you know it's saying here's two episodes. Give you what you think you're getting. You think this is fun young. Hang Out, show, with like maize and drama to it, but we're going to. To do a lot of different stuff, and by the time I think it gets that is episode six the one where it's flashing back to when they were in high school introducing this character Feo who becomes important and by then I think you're like. Wow, th. There's not really a boundary to at the show can be about which is really exciting to watch any series Like I didn't Chewing Chewing Gums Michaela Cole I knew of her, but this is the first her work. I've seen so being like all right person who is new to me like? Where are you gonNa take me and. Seven episodes and I still don't really know where it's going. Which is really exciting? Wait stay with me here. What if I may destroy you is tenant. Is Robert Pattinson nine spoiler oh way. People in the UK. No! But, yes, this is the twisting. Christopher Molin asks drama that you've been looking for if you can't. Put that on your. Christmas watching the show and he's taking notes on the time, okay? God, who wouldn't want that I'm just gonNA. Say I'm loving this conversation because I'm one of the people who watched the first episode was and was like Oh, my God much and was scared off so now I'm going to go back and give it more more time. Yeah, I mean. It's also twelve episodes, so she really which I was shocked because I feel like I'm so used to British shows being half hour six episodes in and out were done. But it's told episodes, and she really makes the most of it, and we really do get to learn so much more about the other characters like Hillary was saying her best friends Terry and who are. Really Fun and funny to be around, but are also dealing with their own issues of you know past experience with past experiences with sexual trauma consent, and she really dives deep into all of that. And also Arabella on Kayla character is a really interesting. Figure as well because she is not. She's not kind of what you would necessarily expect. She's not just like funny. Smart woman gets assaulted like we watch her deal with the trauma like she's very complicated. She's kind of an asshole a lot of the time. She makes a lot of bad decisions. She's actually it seems more of an anti hero or than you think she's going to be at the beginning also gives the show another layer. So, yeah, it's It's definitely kind of if Russian doll weren't already the name of show than maybe. For destroying yeah. Hillary as an editor watching. To turn her draft. You want to slam her head against a wall. I find that very stressful. Yes speaking of. The show that I watch right now. Is The ball type in that just ended as well? Speaking of Russian Doll Johanna. You've been interviewing. CALICO think you've interviewed. The other Co Stars as well and mechanical specifically reference Russian daughter shoes inspired by that writing this show, yeah, she She watched it when it came out, and she I mean, she was so a few sive when she was telling me about it. She's a huge fan of it and she was saying that she actually doesn't remember. If the idea in I may destroy you to have like the flashbacks in the back and forth. She doesn't remember if that was her own idea, or if she came to that conclusion after watching Russian doll, she also loved it so much that she deemed Natasha. Natasha Leone poem a Seventeenth Century Poem by George Herbert called the flower which makes me feel like. An interesting at all like I wa-. Seventeenth Century. Poems like through But yeah, she continues. To write this show, and also read seventeenth century poetry, and the like we all challenge our brains to to get to Michaela goals level right? Yeah, yes, she she really really loved that show, and had a huge influence on her, and in the piece I'm Vanity Fair Dot Com. Now you can read about all the other things that influenced her. She also really liked Jordan Peele us, she she also reached out to him. She said she definitely scared him and I was like I. Think it's threshold for fear. Is Super Super High valid. And then like just a bunch of different movies I don't know she just she. She drew from a lot of a lot of different things, and she put them all together in this way that I find really interesting. Have you watched all of the episodes and they're all available for press. Yes, I! have an I'm I some things you said I want to blurt things out, but I'm. But everything is done with intention is the thing that I was really impressed by, but I won't say anything else like even though it seems like it's jumping all over the place in the beginning and all its six landing, you might say yeah, yeah, and I guess our British. Are British listeners hello hello? Go saying. Only. British people greet each other, but yeah, but it's all the episodes are out in the UK, so there are spoilers Galore on the Internet just fyi, but yeah it it. It's six point them. Well. That doesn't for this week's episode next week. The Emmy nominations are coming out so we will be on to talk about them as a right after they happen unfortunately I mean degrees eligible yet this year, so we'll have to wait for that. In the meantime finest Vanity Fair Dot Com. You can find new Hana's pieces on. That may destroy you and Sarah Cooper and you know. The rest of us are up to stuff, too, but you. Honey really got the the spotlight on this week's content congratulate. 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Indian Matchmaking w/ Pranav from Bed-Stuy (Pranav Behari, MangoBae)

Asian, Not Asian

43:34 min | 1 year ago

Indian Matchmaking w/ Pranav from Bed-Stuy (Pranav Behari, MangoBae)

"Asian ventures so So. So. So far. Five Asian guys together got. Stealing, place. Everyone. Maybe. You can look me up I don't. CARE. Hey welcome back to a special episode of as not as in podcast to Asian guys podcast Asian guys off major talk about making issues. No American cares about Ivanhoe's Ave and I'm Mike Napoleon today is August one and the reason why special is because this is what we're recording I three podcast today. so forgive us if our voices raspy or whatever. Second A of Dick I'll tell you that much. Are a lot of podcast Dick and this one is special because we just wanted to. I love that recently more Asian Shit is becoming part of the Cultural Zeitgeist I. Fucking Love It. Because that means we get to have strong opinions on things. A Lotta times we're watching media guy be like man do I really have to have a strong opinion on the bachelor? I don't give a fuck what happens it is fucking pile from Texas I. Don't give a fuck. He can get hit by a bus it doesn't affect my life. But now there's people who look like on. TV and I actually give a shit and so this is a special episode dedicated to. We hope you're watching Indian match making a mistaker. Gang Netflix. It's right up there. I. Think they're serving it up to everybody like pretty up high I would imagine it's been. It's been making the rounds and it's been. It's been cool. What I liked about having more. Different Cultures People caller whatever Asians Asian is like now we can start getting to the good stuff. For a while we had to like stay pretty high level with like Boba jokes and stuff like that. We can get to Oh. Hey don't you know we also beater wives? Let out. There are some other and. Second family. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's so it goes crazy which Asians and crazy which Asians to sick and family. That's the one that. So now we're getting into the act that other stuff that's that's what I'm liking but people don't know a quick. Hit. Him Hit him books ops this. It's a reality show and it's about a an Indian matchmaker. She is just it's. It's kind of like a dating reality show where except that you know there there's a matchmaker there who's trying to put together. Couples and. They kind of walk through the whole process they talk about how? With with with Indian matchmakers you find. Everybody has kind of like a dating resume they call it a bio data and it's A. Jump, in like they're. Very quickly, so they've the. Dating resume, it allows people to match each other up arranged marriages. The way they've started portrayed in the show is I. It's not like you have to marry them but. There's a strong amount of pressure. There's a lot of pressure from the families. You can say, no and it doesn't always happen. You do have to you get to choose. You can also have to what is called love marriage like regular. We consider a regular marriage, but it follows a couple of different people and it's it's a really good show it as far as like being a good reality show that was one thing I noticed was that like they're really good like this person is the villain. There's a person who's Ville and you hate and there's a person who was like a princess who you love and you're like, oh, I can't really hope hope she's Ok and there's another guy with a flaw. Might I add a princess who with a flaw who like? Oh my gosh. But if she only knew that she was beautiful on the inside also on the outside because he's hot. But Then, there's like other characters and it's it's really interesting and I grew up with a little bit of this. A lot of my friends were South Asian. You got a little hints of this. It wasn't like in your face, but it was like something that was like normalize. It was kind of like there was this was an option, right? Right right. So yeah, I think what makes us show pop and it's really all over the Internet right now is that people just you know again it's like people don't know much about other cultures because they're not on. TV. So for the first time we're getting. We can talk about this. I imagine this is like a fairly maybe I hope it's a fairly accurate picture of like what happens in matchmaking at least the attitude of it and you know it's funny because it's about matchmaking. This show makes MTV next look like blues clues because. Bro The way they fuck in roast these bachelors because on MTV, next, guy comes out of out of a bus, which is already like super unattractive because on a fucking bus, he comes out of the bus and go be like sorry I'm not into jocks but in this one, they're like, Sarah. Into, the wrong family like it's insane like your whole existence is incorrect right? So that was like I. think that was like shattering. I also wrote down that like I feel like Indian people talk about skin color the way white people were they wanna talk about skin color. No No. Beating around the Bush like you are not skipped it up I'm so sorry like it's so fucking blatant that it's actually kind of refreshing. It's like Oh. Okay. I don't know people are allowed to. Twenty twenty everything is so fucking pc right now. Right. So like the way they just they're not embarrassed about it. So I thought that was definitely interesting and want to get our guest on this. So I'm so excited to bring him on he is the. COHO CO host having a little Asian moment they're cutting co host of the hilarious pockets Kobe. Also comedian in New York City. He is. Everybody. Please welcome pornography from bed stuy. Upper that's like up from. To find it real, find the racism refreshing. You know I also find the racism very refreshing but like finally finally, color ISM is on TV it's back. To come back through Indians but we're bringing it back. NETFLIX's found a way to bring it back into the culture. I, saw a lot of people commenting I forget it was the video. Sama made, but you guys made some jokes about like how I think You know he's making fun of the characters like, okay. To be to marry my daughter do you have to have a good job? You must be over six three and dark skinned. You'll die alone right like it was. A lot of Americans were like dude for Real I could not believe how often that came up and how direct they were you know like is is that like how reflected I just WANNA understand like you've seen the show obviously how reflective of it of extra what's actually happening over there and like your knowledge about it This is the nicest version that you find. That's the thing about it. That's what people look. Here's the thing is like Indian American like this isn't representative. You know there's a better documentary on HBO. There's queer couples I'm like, Bitch. Shut the fuck off. That is not what's happening in India. Straight up straight up feudalism. Okay. When it comes to the arranged is like. It's very accurate. Their highest height. Okay. Their their classes class. Rooms, they're all the bad `ISMs. They're all the BAPTISMS and there's no getting around that. So people want to be it's not really representative shut the fuck up on the other hand I find the Indians were like I'm so happy we're finally represented this way I'm like skirts slowdown. To okay, this this. Isn't our best our best foot forward or best you know. fucking representation in fucking American media but it's like, yeah, do all of this stuff is like pretty accurate. The Israel. Ever. Israel I remember like maybe three or four years ago I watched the documentary Netflix could meet the Patel's have you seen that? Yeah, that was a good one. So that's about an actor who is I believe he's a master of none. He's like these this friend and it's a documentary about how he's got a white girlfriend but he dumps her temporarily to go explore match-making or arranged marriages, and then at the end he'd Mares girlfriend. Because white power. But he it's a very different thing. He had bio data but I remember he goes to the Convention Shit. There's not a matchmaker and I was wondering like is this a service that is only available to the rich because I notice a lot of people on there I mean this show made India look like fucking Brooklyn that was like, are they eating pizza? Right? Now How about that one Guy Duma? The Guy who is very obviously gay. He. His own Dole's clothing for like the Hindu more so. This is my daughter collection and they all myself. Yeah. Yeah. It's the same for you and many brings up. He's like here's some almonds with liquid ninety. Everybody is liquid nitrogen. I was like dude, you know like just give this guy a Dick Jesus seriously seriously, what are some he needs to? On S Yeah Hey man. Good you so fucking funny about that guy and other guy shaking who was like very socially awkward there. So funny because they're both like I'm just I'm very picky like I do have a type I just want somebody who's wholesome and they both pick models like that. That's your fucking type like. Mom type was his mom. I want someone like mom. I thought I thought for a second that that that guy was going to marry his cousin. This cousin who by the way is? Is Cool I was like this is a cool cousin. That's like the closest female relationship I've ever seen him. Have you know? So those are totally Looking for in a woman, he's like they must have given birth to me. Like. This. came out. and. Then go back in I was like, yeah this guy is so. Balkars to my mom. My mom was like. My Mom was watching the show we were texting about and that we talked about it after a tease, she's even remember his name so she just kept calling him to psychopath. What's his name? The cycle this? Like she was like no notes in his is. She really hated this guy I was like what's going on there but I will say this that whole scenario. Really. Did kind of indirectly shed light on kind of a big problem in. India. Like to get a little bit serious and that is the issue of like child marriages should try in rooms you know and by that, I'm talking about Twenty Indians who have PhD's who live in a state of emotionally arrested development, which is what was happening with Akshay Brian I don't know if you saw them trying to be co trying to court each other. Yeah. Yeah. That was the most demented shit I had. That is the real child marriage when you haven't seen it until you're thirty years old. That is the real challenge and I wonder if you remember their conversation, but there's like romantic jazz music playing. And hurled. Like gas. You're. Like they cut I. Think She's the one. It was like it was like walking to talk to you know just been allowed to start talking to like opposite sex. I'm really into video. Games. Okay and and then there's like. Doing this you know. Exactly so I mean like I guess, let's get into a little bit of your own experience about it is. This is something that happened to you know your family is like something was that your friends for yourself parents arranged marriage yeah. have some cousins who've been. Have Been Range. and it's becoming a little bit less common. But of course, there's no matchmaker you're asking the matchmakers for like really? Rich. Beem. And my family's pretty firmly like middle class in India but you know what I mean. So for them, it's all family relations family network stuff like that. Parents were arranged marriage. They met once before they actually got married. same thing with a bunch of my cousins. And it is a very common thing. Did you ever go? That's what they have to call a love marriage love marriage, right? Right. Right. This is so abnormal like we have to call it a love marriage. We're. GonNa try to like make you go through arranged marriage or suggest girls or anything like that the bio how's it? Is it like way different now about? Indian Americans and South Asian Americans is that like I I know some like American Indians who've got for me I think my parents understood about me I think they had hopes for my brother is like a pretty Normal Chill derise. He's got. He's got a go. So inspire data. My doctor is like it's like I come. To learn tribal leafy. But also Brooklyn comedy. Festival. Rogue Island. Oh. Something about that because okay frame Assam Shaw Right he's a comic in. Brown dude and I I caught that one time because he he brings a lot. He's very handsome. He gets a lot of girls and but they're always white girls and has like this is during my Asian self-awakening was like, no, we must all date Asian woman. So I called him out I was like Bro why always they? What goes like their Indian goes are fucking hot like why don't you date brands man and he was like oh? No, no, no no I really want to date brown girls but. He didn't say bio data, but he was like, if you look up me on paper I'm thirty I have a part time job I'm a comedian they won't date me. They're not allowed to date me. So so like white girls are his default option and I kind of like that, you will accept this. You. Know, standard that certain the truth to that. I mean there is a certain level of truth to that like I don't know why you need to go white girls 'cause I never date white girls like verboten for me. Just can't do it. So I don't know why he's always going white but what I will say I would definitely date more Indians are would have dated more Indians. But the fact is, is like Indians culturally haven't kind of caught up to the this. Being somebody WHO's not as conventional to likes to party whose doesn't really give a shit about the. And you'd be married by this age have ten kids by this age whatever Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. So there is something to that they're not I think Indian. Women are now starting to catch culturally to that. Be being with somebody who like a little bit less conventional always maybe a little bit wild jungle we call it. I call a stray. Dog. Dogwood. Dome Master. Splash back to me is that what does this? What is this? Okay okay. What does this I I hung out with me back in like December January. About the canceled. canceled. ME IS RACIST ASK TO BE. Just Ama- I'm in my leather starts the first of all, asking me about my fuck life. Yeah Yeah. Yeah. You said you like the puck a lot during. This is how you say hello like what he's like the bucks. For Sure One point is like he's getting weirdly ears getting rat or something. Feverish US now. He's. Like. You're like. A dog with no master like what? What? What the Fuck Dogwood no mess in mind what's happening here is I can perceive it as Fumi is going. So deeply racist blake culturally. He had to go deep into Japanese Kirk slurs. How to translate. Into English. Smooth Hell and Japanese wasn't what Dog? Because she was like, he's like Oh man. Like dog with no master. Sounds like it could be a really tough thing to say to someone in Japanese. Your like your leaf with no tree say bridge that has been crossed. Your sword with no blood. Oh. That's tight. Every Japanese. Also, Haiku. Yeah. Oh my God. You know what's so funny about to bring it back to show is you know talking about what they call American women, which is very pc of the show. They don't just say white but up, there was one daughter. I. Don't remember her name she is she she's the sheikh community and So she community and one of the people she might order the guys she might meet was married in the past and she's also divorces. So her father was like, okay, that's fine. You guys are both divorces. That's all good. Then he starts asking the matchmaker Sima about the previous marriage off the perspective man and he finds out that he was white and he goes. Lake he's just adds what he was doing. He diagnosed cancer such as like. That was so fucking funny. And the whole time mother. This Guy He doesn't he never on girls his are as worrying like booking. Five. Cooking cooking deep frying. Like Steve Harvey. Full on judging this other dude, you know. Steve. Do WanNa talk quickly about the the coloring thing because that's a thing in. For a lesser degree. For East Asians Right. It could be really strong. It depends on sort of white community you're like Vietnamese people like we. Have a thing about it. It's like tied to class obviously where like if. You're on the field that means you're you're you're so dark skin. We want someone who's been inside playing warcraft the whole time so like it that's how it sort of expresses itself in Vietnamese. Culture and it's funny. I used to work for a very big brand on their social media and they over there like this is a very you've heard of them and they have a bunch of products which are all about fairs even skin they call it evens in, but it's really about like. Lightning sometimes, it just straight up says lightning or whitening cream on there and I would be like, I would have to manage these social media pages. Like posting these things about I'd like. To do it. I was like all right. You know this'll be a good cover. This guys totally into white people dude. You know like it's his fault. So it was definitely a thing, but like I feel that for. Correct me if I'm wrong I feel like there is a. It's a class thing but also it's kind of like almost a race thing because I feel like there's a there's you know India is as a nation state isn't just India right. Arbitrarily done by like some British guy named Brice and. Out. Right, it should like there's a whole bunch of cultures there and and densities, but like there is a difference between. Indians and from one part of the country, there are like their complexions are a little different from another part of the country. That's something I heard. My Indian. Friends, I. Don't know if that had to do with all that. I think there's like many layers to the color, ISM? Right? A lot of people ascribe it to a British influence other people into a mogul influence. Then, other people yet, they describe it to regional biases that occur right from north Indians versus South Indians. Can be a little bit lighter skinned and this in that. South Indians Darker Blah Blah Blah. I think there's like a lot of different levels to it. I think on a more. Innocuous level I think there's something interesting because white people you never see a white person who's like I need somebody even Paler? I mean, everyone's trying to be tanned. That's why gingers are like the n words of the white community that was their first level of like you guys are so Palin disgusting explode in the Yeah Yeah you know what I mean. So it's like it's weird that white people are always wanting to get tan but not wanting to accept people who were just born with ten. Yeah, right right right. Right. You're okay. I don't want you to just naturally have it. I want you to spend. I want you to want to so bad you get cancer. Tonight. But. It's weird because in India. Like Hinduism. Like so many of like like Krishna, who's like one of the prevailing deities is dark his name literally means dark. Tight and yeah and they're say he he was very dark skinned and and all these other like euros in character from the myths and legends are all very dark skinned. So it's like it's hard for me to really track how the color ISM is. Actually. Yup. What the origins of our? Various threats that that dude let me ask you this. Okay. So obviously, with the color them, you know it's twenty twenty in America CPA racially sensitive right now, I think a Lotta people and social media like fucked up. This is crazy and you know for sure I agree as a global citizen, but there's always a part of me. Global. Listen. Listen listen. I'm just trying to get canceled because the dot comment a making up a making the. With no mass. Talk. With no air, there is a part of me. Okay let me here's a little story. Okay, I went to Mexico and Mexico there are a lot of Asians and I remember not to Mexico a lot of kids would come up and ask them to take pictures with me and then touch my hand right do I think those kids are racist? No. Okay. But but the white kids were like, what am I gonNA? Do they just couldn't believe that I was being treated this way but I was like that guy, it's fucking five and I feel sometimes Americans view the world through their lens and maybe You know maybe we shouldn't be doing that I don't know like what do you think about like? Obviously, it's not cool to judge people by the color but like sometimes I feel like Americans will see something like this really judge Indian people really judged Indian culture through their lands and. That's appropriate adult I think that's like their own white guilt operating. Again, you know what? I mean that's like the ultimate level of whiteness of just like how dare you the thing that I invented. Your. Cultural Appropriation. Also. If you WANNA do that way way built a whole system around like we did. There like what's that? What is that called salesforce like this whole system to your company? I am is all web services. Service racing we we've built it into our housing sick you know. How dare you call for a Free Demo? For sure also wanted to ask I mean. The. The cast thing a big thing because And and does that translate over to America I don't know I'm sure I'm sure it's a big thing in in India still but like you know how does that play out like when you're dating and stuff like that? Will you know again, dating thing it is. Now you know what? I mean just social the the like all those rigid social hierarchies supper are slowly kind of eroding right right and it takes time for that to happen like sixty seventy years since I'm the guy who was. Kind of one of the founding fingers India and anti rigidly anti caste converted this and all this stuff. CAST is still a big deal. Yeah. It's still event. Now I grew up here and we didn't have really I was not exposed to cast as a concept to right but that's also probably because it was operating in ways that I couldn't even see your Vo- Shit. You know what I'm saying in terms who my parents were hanging out with and stuff like that but I don't really it's not. It's very difficult as a concept for me to behold and be like, Hey, you're asked I'm guy is let's fuck. It'd be great if there was like a grinder based on the caste system. Overall. Cocky me if you're a browning. COCKY DOT COM? So. Niche I love. It gets very niche do. Know. I mean it's something that exists indefinitely it exists for these people and I think they were trying to hide that. Yeah. A little. Yes. Yes. Yes and They couldn't fuck and hide it for is fucking age-old fucking Babe fucking Nadia Girls Can. We Talk Nadia Force I can't. I would lick the floor that she walks on or whatever the American phrases. Sees so high and she's very and like. Rockin. Body great personality. Just. Love her Dude Oh God but then it's so it was so sad for me to see how much she had accepted the fact that because she's an Indian person from Guyana Oregon. She also herself. Accepted, like okay. Well, I just can't these people you know it was so ingrained in who she was when she came up that her parents are like Oh cast an issue. It's like you don't fuck up to worry about that. Let them. You know what I mean like that part was like I have I don't even know there are over there. That's fucking crazy like I know is that something you had heard growing up about like, oh, he's an Indian guy but he's actually from he's west from Africa or whatever. So he's different it's it's interesting because like I don't know if can say that's like cast per se. That isn't a class on the other hand you know what I mean. So like Indians who are in America, especially from our generation, our parents came over because they would like highly educated and we're already at a certain socio economic status, and so I think for them it's like Oh, they've been gone after one hundred and fifty years. They're just kind of average people in this weird win. I think that's how that's how these kinds of Indians would perceive which I think is left up because I think for me, the Indians were in guy on are actually more. Indian. Because they've been displaced for longer if you look at Nadia she her family they've been displaced from India way longer than like my family has been right. You know what I mean. Indians have only been in America for sixty years and we're already like hey I'm Jay. Patel. Best. J.. Meanwhile these mother fuckers in Guyana, they've been out of India for one hundred and fifty years yet. They still found a way to maintain the custom, right? Oh Mary Indians. for me the culture is like way stronger with them. You know what I mean. They should be more discriminatory in a weird way if if one is going to discriminate. An outsider's point of view of course I was like watching this the whole time and I I couldn't help. But think like Oh is this something that I've heard like kind of like jokes about it like from from comics. arranged marriage versus whatever going on tinder in Suffolk and I and I. Wonder if a system like this could work in America sometimes if it was like because. You know like. Your. Parents are still trying to look out for you. You know like, Hey, we want this person to be from. You know to have an okay family and you know your dad is going to be like, yeah, she's also got big tits. Am I right? It would be different. Shot. JD's. Them. Yeah. So do you know I know this? This was like something that you. Go through. But you ever like look at it and go you know like this could be because I in subways. It takes a lot of pressure off of like the craziness of dating you know what I'm saying. I think it's a it's a superior. System. Yeah. If, the goal of society is to like just create these whatever atom is family units that are all identical in society can be built on these building I. See I see it is superior system in the sense that. Love is not the thing like when I talked to my dad because for a long time growing up ahead like I had a weird issue about this concept of romance love because my parents had an arranged marriage and it's like, Oh, they don't love each other and that's how I perceived as like a kid. So for me finding romance and finding love and passion and stuff was important to me at a certain point in my life. But my dad, I, remember asked him I was like what's going on like what? Where do you love each very India marriage is not about love your marriage is about duty. Yeah, and so me as a husband I fulfill my duty towards her mom and she fulfilled her duties towards me and from their love actually grows. Its duty is the soil from which for much love actually. By to that yeah that makes me Kinda Horny I'm you know? What if I search a little duty porn, hus-, she she she. She's she's building her duty to me if you know what I'm saying. I've never thought about wearing strap on reporting for did. Time she goes down and she salutes. For the family you know. I'm thinking Allie. Do the same thing. So I really I mean I do agree with you because yeah like a lot of the growth famous bring were like nice girls and it makes sense like it's know sometimes when friends set each other up sometimes like one time I set up my roommate with a comedian because I thought it'd be funny like I'm a Dick Right. Your mom is she's a role. She had a terrible time. She's like she just talked about it and so for an hour I left after she was like what the fuck was I was like anyway so. But like. But your parents are not going to do that. You know you're not a prank to them right so they gotta do their best to find. And also like they if you think about it, they'd like really know you like they know the dark side of you there like my son is like. You know I don't like it but he's very selfish and so he might like somebody who is flexible or whatever the fuck they this. That's what they say. Need someone who can take a good body. Punch. I mean the stats I look up from staff they said that. Only four percent of arranged marriage couples get divorced. That's pretty that's pretty good. This is in twenty dollars. It's like the cases were they do get divorced is like when it's physical spousal abuse. And I think you're right It's it Kinda does work and you're right. Your parents know you better than anybody you know what I'm saying they they look at you from up here. You don't get me mom and dad. I WanNa be a contemporary dancer. Uncoordinated you always have. You know you're math. Can do that. And it's like they can look and see somebody else and they can look what kind of family they came from not just in terms of high-class low class or whatever. But like are they similar to us? Are they from the same region they have the same customs are what's it going to be like? Is there going to be a learning curve and having to get to know this other person when they when they actually get married? Yeah, and I think like my? Parents are really happy with my brother got remarried 'cause he's he has two kids he divorced, but his second wife, his wife now is Indian from the same area as my family in India, we're you know their third predation, all that stuff, and so the barrier for it's a much more seamless integration of the families. You know what I mean about about joining family units, building thing integrating someone into your family. So that makes sense makes a certain kind of sense up. I wanted to ask the same before we have a game for you. We like to play a little bit later but I wanted to ask because you made a video about this is so funny but okay so India, obviously, rich culture they got their religion. I never really thought of them as you know them believing in these like sort of supernatural things like. But then they throw in the fucking face reader they throw in the strategy and I actually thought like that. Got Me that caught me off guard because I was like, Oh, I thought they didn't believe in that. Shit. God. Like Hinduism, is all about it's all about like Oh. You know what I'm saying what's about like lighting incense and then fucking looking do the stars and like I don't think it was like looking at a fucking pixellated fucking three megapixel picture of somebody like, yes this space means he's not ready for marriage like this is one one black boxer people of color and you know he's like East Asians holy crap I it's I can't remember which comic has this joke but we just love to blame things on ghosts right everything's. Everything's about luck. For East Asians, it's like, okay. You know what day was born on the fifteenth that's a bad luck number you. Can't they can't get married or whatever. But it can't be your parenting technique it must be the date that he was born. Because he was born on a Thursday. Not Because I was cheating on your mom this whole. File yes virgo. He's he's a pedophile he was born on the first. Very spacious, very auspicious. So I don't know like. How much how much of I I didn't even know that face reading was a thing though is that that because you didn't really hilarious sketch about that Yeah everyone. Go check that out on my instagram from Ohio It's real. It's a real thing. Face reading is not something I was ever accustomed to but like. Astrology is huge in India. It's huge and it's like thousands and thousands of years old. I think it might be the first like astrological system that exists Indians are really into astronomy in general, and so there's hyper into the planetary movements and all that stuff, and before you get married you pundit or Swami and you get the charts lined up and then they will tell you based on the birth charts. These two will be good. Oh Shit. That's the truth thing when you're born if you're a Hindu when you're born, you get up your birth chart read immediately. And you figure out what's what? What with your life and this and that the other thing what you're attributes are going to be. Did you. Did you did you get one of those Do you remember what? What what, what did it say? You know what? I'm saying that it did it for this I in some ways, it Dan really in some ways, you will go to the east and meet to wise men. What does that mean? The East Coast Yeah and me too knuckleheads. That's pretty much. It was foretold. That was the biggest thing on my chart was doing this podcast. Twice, I don't know if you knew this. Stars. De Sets himself which turned out to be kind of accurate Oh. Wow. One thing that I love in this only just I think I knew this sort of like instinct. Truly. White. Girls are so lowly just becoming south. Asian because they just like they took the Yoga God they the astrology love that Shit. Owning it are we thinking the white girls are going to get into arranged marriages. That's the next step you think Gwyneth paltrow is going to be like. Created a system, but she won't call it arranged marriage issue called something else yeah. I. Know What I'm saying. Like. Like you know what are the fuck? It is like shocker marriages or? Conscious coupling. Count. and. That'll be the perfect way to reintegrate racism. Indian thing. Dr. Paltrow doing Indian have. Dark. Okay Work. It's So. Funny. You're told me right my ex girlfriend had this uses this really funny thing because I into a lot of Indian chance you know where it's like I'm into yoga breathing cold showers astrology. Vibes all the stuff that comes with religion. He's like, what are you gonNA put White Bitch. I think it's obviously the funniest thing to be like refund old back the way. Acting like a white woman like fuck. We're GONNA play a game. We're GONNA play. We're GONNA play Indian matchmaking for per Nov.. and. So what you're GonNa do you're going list out? Five or six things that criteria they call take criteria in a partner and me and I will bring you one and then you have to choose which marry one of those two things and what I love to just as a quick aside was that everybody seemed to sort of the same things. Do you know what I'm saying is a good natured. Being yeah. Yeah. Interesting person a good person. We know you know five eleven or or the fuck is six two or the fuck it is, and I just thought that was hilarious. It's like everybody just keeps this. It doesn't matter what it is. You know, Oh, you're saying like you might since you're paying for the service might as well put on like ridiculous filter yeah. You can you put something like? Right looks good in polkadot. Yeah I want bad bitch. What can of. As somebody WHO's Ivy league-educated? Figures. Why the fuck. and Ain't afraid of an old butthole. Harry, Indian yeah. Get in there Okay. So you. May. WanNa take a minute to think about it or if you already have it tributes. Yes. Five at five. What does. The future partner go. kindness. Damn it. Is Mike Whiteness downs. Wherever. Yeah tightness kindness hot smart. This isn't an order necessarily, kind smart good sense of humor. and. This fifth one has to be the crazy filter. Crazy. Filter. Mongolia's. Meet this Falcon my mom. My. Fuck. I. Don't even know those are the four most important things. Yeah Nice Ass. S like Nice Nice in perpetuity or just like just. Five years or so. Okay Marriage thing or is this like a dating thing this Amerisleep? This look I'm saying she's eighty she better ask better be fucking still. You didn't. You didn't put ages a criteria. So we we're doing here. All right I- kindness so we're GONNA. Go through this again kindness hot smart sense of humor. Nice, ass. Fantastic. Okay. So this person comes from is hard working. Okay. Wasn't it. Was An attorney cares about her community very hot. Has appeared on multiple magazine covers. Highly educated. Very funny. Has Written a book. Okay Nancy Grace. On Okay and and former first lady Michelle. Obama. Okay. That's the. Show. We're assuming that she's not married. Okay. So but Michelle Obama fantastic she has kids but that's okay. Now, I'm GonNa since you since you brought out your game, I will also my game. Okay Michelle Obama I'm going to get canceled if I say no to Michelle. Right. Okay my person, my prospect for Pranav is. This person's very kind everybody knows this person has a kind person this person is. For sure a little bit on the older side but considered hot. In fact, there were a lot of photos that I don't WanNa. Say leaked but a lot of Paparazzi. Photos of this person you know in a in a bathing on the beach looking hot for this person's age. Smart Ivy league-educated. Sense of humor absolutely, this person has done a podcast I think which is not something that someone in this pollution would do. A. podcast fairly funny. And Nice ass absolutely. was his personal. Where's the right types of? Trousers you want to call it They. Person does that it makes my pants a little tight? So Nice asks for sure and this person is Barack Obama boom. What I. CAN'T GET SASHA. TASHA would have happened if those mango bay, but we're not doing. Love Kids, you guys do what you're. Talking about kids. And we're going number one pedophile. Little. We're going straight to the gate so Yes. Between Barack Obama Michelle Obama. Canceled either way to. I'm going to Barack actually. I think a talk. Channel is also. Michelle donation and. Don't work. At. Home. Don All you guys are going on first date at a horse ranch or whatever it is that what's his name Exotic Guantanamo Bay Cuba You'll be saying there for five to ten years. Great. That'd be funny. If predominance episode three of the Podcast, the guest that the man who took my husband. Well thank you so much for doing this podcast. Always love hanging out with you. This is so much fun. Thank you for educating us on the wonderful world of matchmaking work in our listeners finds you what do you WanNa plug. INSTAGRAM baby at pro. Now Ha also, you've got to follow the podcast. Mango. Bay. That's also instagram your Mugabe why Oh, you are Angop. A. It's with the boy the boy who saw the equal. Sadique we. 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NAL Live Hosted by Andrew Haines: EP #6 Joshua Blair Owner of the Columbus Lions Columbus Lions website: http://columbuslions.net/ Follow Host Andrew Haines on Social Media: Instagram: @andrewghaine

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NAL Live Hosted by Andrew Haines: EP #6 Joshua Blair Owner of the Columbus Lions Columbus Lions website: http://columbuslions.net/ Follow Host Andrew Haines on Social Media: Instagram: @andrewghaine

"We're back again for nfl live. This is episode six and it's a special afternoon show. I figure let's test out different times. Let's see if people like watching during the day or evening better and so today which is cool because we have our first team owner on. And i love that because you know the owners usually never get any of the glory. It's like they only get brought up if it's bad but that's probably why you don't know joshua blair. Because he does it right you know. He is the owner of the columbus lions and. Welcome to the show joshua. How are you good andrew. Thank you very happy to be here. Well i'm glad you join me. Like i said first owner and i want to know you a little bit more like like before columbus lions so kind of walk us through like where you're from. Where'd you grow up and kind of your career up until the columbus lions okay. We'll so i wanna see in tonio texas and my father was in the airforce. He was a avid gator. So it had an interesting wipe out chance to travel around the world on. I think i. I lived in spain for seven years. I was able to travel through that. And some other things. I've been Traveled to forty seven. Different countries allow lived in four different continents. So mine may I i lived in north carolina. A goes from north carolina for a while in spain for seven years. And then when i went to high school in spain played football in spain in fact played eight and nine man football outdoor eight nine minutes. Lawmakers are schools were so small in fact my school with five hundred students had to feel two teams to varsity teams and we had to play each other for homecoming. So that was kind of it was it was good and bad. I guess if you want it was great. If you didn't win it was terrible And then when i finished high school i went to bring young university in utah provo utah and and then when i graduated from college i went. Whitney army was an infantry officer in the army and then i can bounce around the lives of different places. There's well and then. When i got out of the army moved down to a working a few different companies in and And then eventually. I decided you know what i want to move back to columbus georgia and start a ski shop. Because i had been skewed was my passion. I i can remember. I was working for a company called master brand cabinets in auburn alabama. And when i was there. I remember on easter week. Outworked think ninety three hours that week. And i got my forty hours worth of pay and realized if i put this much effort into something that i owned the i'd be a millionaire some day and so while i'm not quite there. I decided you know what do i love to do. I love scuba arkansas. Scuba instructor said. I wasn't very good one in the beginning. But i said you know. I love scuba dive tonight you know. What am i do that. So i had to figure out. Imagine taking a hobby in trying to figure out how many ways where we can do this hot to get people to pay me to do it. And so i knew. I i sorta scuba shop chattahoochee scuba in columbus georgia and we learned very quickly that are in our main focus were veterans and soldiers and veterans in in those that wanted a professional career in diving and so we focused on We are our team based on that and we made our name unnamed ourselves in the veteran community so we just did a lot of things we gotta to do. A lot of travel all over. Bamboo travel all over the world. Go diving just a year ago. I was in the galapagos islands diving and dove with. I think it was twenty three whale sharks not all at one time it on over the portable week saw twenty three different whale shark swallows diving and then see we have been able to do some some fun things the in columbus georgia they decided one year to take out the dams the dams had been hundred and fifty years and i was contractor to go down and search the entire riverbed in find out what all is down there with the predecessor banner dams that were in front of the dams that they use to block could build a a bigger dam behind. We found all these old artifacts in some of the stuff nobody had seen in one hundred hundred hundred and fifty years and i was the first one to get a chance to see it and it was. It was full man and then one of the lme kinda claims to fame was. I was featured in a documentary. I know that Stephen jeff fans documentaries so the documentary was the chattahoochee unplugged. Ended actually won two emmys in so i was one of the featured people in it and that was kind of a cool kind of a cool thing it was a son who produced it wreck turner and then you know and then over time you know the night was just around my business in in went through life and then all of sudden i was you know there was actually a little kid. Call him lightning he was he came into the swimming lessons at my scuba shop and lighting were jason gibson's nickname or yogurt. Funnily enough interestingly enough he was the first movie that kid. I actually got to see the other cars. And he comes and tells me when he said you know what he. Doesn't you know what mr josh money's. Lightning qassam fast and your major. Because you're slow and so he started calling me mater and eventually ended up becoming meeting for a long time. That was my nickname for a long time. And so but we are looking for something to do one nike's about five years old five years old and we saw that the columbus lions were playing. Football game and i was huge. Huge football fan pleaded when the nfl season ended. And i had to wait five months for picking back up again five months. Which just you know for me. Just dredge and work in such a big fan of football so i saw the clotheslines. Were line so we decided to go to a game. As middle of the season we went to a game and we set up way in the nosebleed seats. And he said maybe this this ain't gonna do. We need it. We need to come back again. And we need to sit down with wicked. See the game. you know. it wasn't like it was a terrible but we were kind of up higher than everybody else so we decided to come back in. We watched another game. We went down and I think we got. I talked to. Nima will look our ticketing person's shoes wonderful in the beginning so she still is by way so she. We went into the ticket office and we talked to her and said. Hey what's the best we can get and she was able to get me a second or third row. See into the into the vip section. So why were they on the section. You know i can remember. We did that for a couple of games and we were really getting into it in. Especially you know he he would he really likes can get on the field after the game he get on the field. We bring football. We'd play football on a professional football field. We get a chance to talk to the players. Start meeting them. And then one day they i guess the waterboy and It was this little kid he he must have been for years old. I think or something like that. Four or five years old. He comes running out off the bench and he gets probably to run of the goal line and he just stops puts the walls next they were so happy for and he picks goes another five or ten yards and he was just kind of funny because they just pause the game because it was. This was an interesting piece in just naturally. They caused the game for this five year. Old little boy being run out there so lightning besides he he has. Maybe i could do so that. We walk into the office and we talked to him about it. She mentioned it to coach gibson. In coach gibson. Centene widening a postcard and said. Hey i'd like to the waterboy for a game so we come back in the office the next week and so coach gibson. And now jason stalking widen. He goes he goes now. I'm going to be the waterboy for the whole season. And he was waterboard for three years and so the way i got involved with the lines. Of course i had to bring into the game so we would come to. We would make an excuse to come three hours early and we through the football around on the field you know two three hours ahead of time and then when it came time for the team to go do their things in the intros. I would pass malta. Me in i would go sit in my seat in a by this time i had gotten front row seats and eventually you know jason was on the wall of time on my side and he'd come talk to me because you know it was i would say would. The beginning was a little awkward. Both of you know he was always busy at it when a bug him. He's probably the busiest person i now but over time. We got to talk and he'd asked me questions about football. When i'd come in the office and eventually i express some interest in you know. What does it take to owner. And they kinda ran with it. And then you know you're talking about it jason and asked if i would if i was interested in coming along and being quarterly ownership group and And so i you know a few months later i went ahead and put down the body shares that i needed to to become an owner. And so how long you said he moved to columbus. How long have you lived in columbus. I moved here. Two thousand four and it's in fact is the longest i've ever lived anywhere of course enough to sixteen years. I've been stationed here a couple times. But before that i had never lived anywhere moving four years in my life and so i got chance to move around and it's kind of weird because you know having now been here in putting down roots. It's kind of nice. But but i bet that is to travel is always there you know. I got married about two years ago. My wife got it i. I travel so much that she didn't want to travel but now the thrown is gang. Let's get outta here. What was it about columbus what why settle there of all places will. The big reason was i was. I had been stationed here from year to. I became a scuba instructor here in columbus in so when i decided to open up a dive shop we it was naturally a good place because i already had a net worth equal that i can that i trained. I could go to that. I didn't i wasn't just walking to a new city. Somewhere opening up a shop. I think that would be open. Dive shop already is very difficult. And so when. I i just decided. Hey let's try. Because i it's it at the time. It was one of the largest markets that there was no patty. Which is the group. That i'm really wait with. They didn't have a shop in columbus and it was one of the largest markets in the country. That did not have a pet shop so it turned out to be in our first year. Okay we blew it out of the car and it did really really well back in thousand five and so that was it turned out to be a good decision so when i come to columbus for a game on come a day or two early so i can get some some scuba lessons. I've never done it. I've had. I've made friends with some fans from other teams and i have always invited to comment. We've had several takeout. Take me up on the offer. They'll come for the game in the morning. For the game they're scuba diving others lonnie out all. He's one of the players on so excited to watch. I've been watching his highlights x foot seven. Watch movies things go where he's going over to the wall and i'm excited to watch watch watch him. Play a ticket package for you. Hey you know what get scuba certified and go to a game where we do. What we do is we. It's about three hour process in which you don't get the whole thing which left the first lesson but by the end of the inner three hours or at the bottom of the pool diving. And you're right. You know what that is a big ticket package in. I'll probably offer that too. If anybody's listening wants to come die before game my staff will take a break here. Yeah no that's cool so like how long ago did you end up jumping. In the ownership of columbus. It was the we talk about the whole first year. Dna l. so is the second year the also so it's been three years since i've been one of the owners of the team been going to all the games i mean. I even went to some of the way games on his man. I'm excited to see him in. Know him paired up with some of the receivers like desmond. Reese who he picked him up in a tryout mazing kid i remember i just looked at him and he was. He was like this smallish not really small in relative terms compared to lawn. He'll look shorter but he was an amazing kid. And just kinda just happen to be in the right place at the right time. Each has a football her daughter. I remember looking at them. And i was like you know. He looks like kenya. Zeke you'll head in the beard and everything looked just like king ezekiel from the shape of the of how i was here was and so i talked to him that day and then watched him getting a game. A watch the desmond. Get into a game in my. Gosh he was he he got him. Regain shorter's store on receivers something that week. And he played really well picked up a fumble. Did this that is he just happened to be is a. He knows where the ball isn't. He's always run the ball. And then i kept pestering jason. Why don't we bring him back. He's a local guy he's great He's got a big following and we should bring him back. He played cup against worse than than eventually came back and then finished off the rest of the season and it was just an amazing kid. So you're you're kinda like jerry jones then to you. You don't just own the team. You're doing player personnel to not in any way i honestly believe that i'd completely and i might get involved if they're like. I was beaten jason up for a good ticker we'd had. We had great caters. Sometimes they would have some games and we went through a period where we lost three games based on a kick. And that's tough. That's a tough pill to swallow win. You missed an extra point. You lose a game and so on. So i kind of you. I hit jason overdose that you need to honest good kicker. I know that it's easy to have a a local kicker. But we need a kicker because it kicker will make irish thought. Kicker made a huge difference of the game he can score they quote a touchdown or two and between deuces an extra points and field goals. And that's that's a huge difference. Ameri called me up one day. Goes he goes. You're gonna love me for this and he calls me says. Hey we got kicked out of boys. State title rossa. I said so so tyler. He told me that he had he was a runner up. For the i forget the name of trophy kickers get. I mean think. Most people would ask six. I couldn't keep her high school. One positions that i played so i was really big into that and we brought him in and we played his first game. We were playing. The massachusetts pirates. He scored twenty four points. That i think he had five deuces. Two extra two field goals in a handful of extra points to include with the winning extra point with no time left on the clock. Just decimated His kicking game was just amazing. And i i still think he's there. We go the lou groza award. That's what it is thanks. So he did. He was amazing and he just i remember. I picked him up from the airport to pick not from the group transportation drove me and talk to oblige and then took him to practice. And i and i videotaped his first kick was he kicked. He kicked a deuce on his first kit just in practice warm ups and it was just he was us a great guy. I think he should be in the nfl. And then. but i made one big mistake. Because i decided you know this is. This is arena football. We need to have you know. It's be a lot of interaction. And so i created a a walk on song for him every time he walked in the field. It's time to play the game from wrestling from triple h and so we would put that on in. Who knew that this would describe. Would come on the mis. Kick terrible you so finally we good managers and the everybody's running over to me. In the middle of the games they got. It turned out so we finally turn it off and he picked up his gave again. And then you went to the massachusetts pirates in every time you come us with third back on the field needed. We a great guy tyler and he did really well and that i guess af so he did really well erin. Hopefully he makes it to the nfl sunday. Well casey smith who just joined your your ownership group. I go way back and he's right. I had kicking issues as well. I signed the mascot actually picked the mascot in the game and he he made an extra point so it was like a non pro game. So great guy great. He's got a chance to be with him a few times. And we're excited. We're off the columbus trying something new bringing on new partners. The new owners we we. We'd like to get twenty owners if we could and truly become a community based t where businessmen the community can get involved. They can all bring their talents and their abilities to help the team and there courses a lot of things that benefits that if you're an owner of a football team of professional football team you're in a lot of benefits that you get as well and so there. Really is a great symbiotic relationship near the end. And so i'm. I'm one of the changes that i made. When i became the majority owner was dropping the middle at five percent down to a one percent. So we've got a few owners in now. There's a few more that were in discussions with so. We're excited to see bears fruit. And i'll tell you what i think. That's a great idea. Because i can't tell you how. Many times i've been a solo owner or ninety something percent and man. It gets lonely by yourself. And i've never been like a huge money guy. I'm a more of an operator. So there's little room for error when you're not property properly capitalized. And like you said if i ever got back into it. That's what i would do. I would put together a large group of people that have similar vision that it's about the community and not only. Do we get some some extra capital but you get those contacts. You get those people that now are bought in. And i can tell you right now. Casey's got a great deal of knowledge and a marketing standpoint. And and things like that. I mean and obviously he's going to. He's going to help his investment and pursued casey. Once once he came down and met with us last year we realized trying to buy in it. It higher percentage you also meant a significant amount of greater amount of money so we re realized that by dropping that we can get people that are willing that wanna get in on the ground level and be a true owner Ownership in the team. Not just a share of of some random thing and some of the others. We've seen some of the other teams do this year. And we we've already seen just some of the recommendations in it pointers casey's given coach gibson and i. It's it's made a huge impact and we were looking for the season. And then we. We've got an old got. A couple warmers in the works in one of the one. The we've been talking to eugenia castro again in chile. Great guy great story. We got a lot of wonderful things coming up from that soon to right here yet. So genio preceived. We talked about him from the owners. Meetings in geneva was down in chile and he owns a sports academy development sports academy down there in what he does is he. Trains people to play american football and so in not only is. It's not just in chilly. But it's also in ecuador in argentina and they've got the he he. I remember on talk and they might be a little less than exact details. But i think they had six countries in south american latin america. Come down to chilean play. A each country put together an american football team and then five thousand people show up to the game in one hundred thousand people she look at it from on social media so there's a following in no one of the things that talked with him. I met him kind of weird. How we met. I was visiting chile last year with or a year and a half ago when my best friend was stationed at the embassy he was the senior military officer chile. And so while. I was down there. How is this real quick. Al says sharks we got. They'll run running social media. I'm sure that stephen exactly sorry that up there you know So we're down there in in. Because i'm down there all of them seeing on facebook. I'm seeing more comments from people in chile. And i happened to notice this jason hope. Hopefully he's doing well. We we love jason. But we we. I see i see post from this guy in chile and i'm like wait a minute. This has this guy involved in football national sin and we. We started talking to me any immediate says. Hey i want to come up. And i want to be part of the game. I want to do this. And so he. He happened to be in some meetings. I think he was an nc double a comp. Some sort of combine with the nfl and he was up here representing the south america with some players. And so i said hey here in orlando christine orlando. Let me get you to together. And then they got together and chris was. I wasn't sure if anything was going to come of it. I guess chris and him talk over there little translating thing that they do and next thing i know another also some kind of some big plans but we realized you know you can have huge plans but there might there might be thirty steps to get to the end of that plan and so one of the things that i'm very thankful for what they learn. You can't go to step thirty in in a week or year. You gotta take those steps along the way and make sure you've built a foundation so that way every time you build another block on there that you have a foundation that you can rely on so if you take a step back following all the way off off off the pier there and so with eugenia we're bringing in one of his players actually With the with the south american I forget what chris paul of we're able to bring in a player that doesn't count on a roster space. We've already sign one of his players philippe bay and he's going to be coming up and playing. He's gonna be part of the team you know he's going to happen he's i don't i'm not i don't know whether his you know he's seen that level of competition yet but he'll you'll get there but i i'm sure the team's get laundry but know he's gonna come off and now he's a big kid at these three hundred thirty pounds and so we'll see what he can do. Well the good thing is it gives them an opportunity to come up and and compete and learn. And so you know that can be a whole another avenue to attract good talent and international talent. 'cause you know let's let's face it. We want to grow the game globally. Not just here in the us so you know. That's that's real exciting to here. Going quick on that one of the things we're excited about is eugenia has been has been working the nfl in south america through all of his contacts. I it's interesting. We see if we look at our hosting might get five thousand user. I remember i had one play of german thorson that got twenty thousand years that i that it just amazing test dunkin but when they post it down there he's getting one hundred thousand us on some of this pope's magin when the nfl season starts in. Columbus is working on trying to get a spanish language broadcast as well as an english broadcast on youtube. Imagine all of us in all the people that will get involved in football if we can we can bring in the entire continent. And you know we're the we're the only game in town. Has there been discussions on. Maybe trying to do like a Like an all star down there from the teams up here or some sort of exhibitions. Well we i think there has been a few steps but one thing that we have done is coach gibson and i and some are the lines team. We're going to leave. You're planning on going now. I in fact we're supposed to be down there next month. Except we've had to cancel due to covid so we're going to do it next year is we're going to hold some football. We're going to go to there to chile argentina and ecuador. Hold a hope. One day camp in each place and also jason's hold a camp for the for the For the coaches and how learn how to teach football it each of the locations. So that's something that we're going to do. We're going to do next year it. We're not to do the at the beginning before next not received the before the next season and hopefully You know the tobin yeah. I think that's great. That i mean that's a process so i mean it is gonna take a little bit of time to To get it you know where where you want it but you know. He's he's excited for the the lion season upcoming but going that's a great thing about new owners excited. Oh yeah. I don't know you might not wanna say on here but i do. You have any kind of like you know. Investment range that you look for four owners coming in. And if you don't wanna say that's fine. I didn't prep you for that. But i was just thinking with with that. So people have an idea. I know i'll share my screen when i came in. I spent forty thousand dollars to come in. And would i appreciate it was. I quickly made it back in marketing. But by using the team in being the market in break in attract folks to the scuba shop which was able to make it back. So we're we're looking at Probably about eight thousand dollars a share. Just kind of a ballpark figure. If now i think that's i think that is so important hit though because i can't tell you how much i've made awful not necessarily between directly but indirectly through other businesses that i own because number one is i believe in sports marketing and so having seen it firsthand when i can see my business get an increase in sales due to marketing through the team it makes it easy to go out and sell them the community as well because you know it can work and work so But yeah there's so many benefits that you know ownership brings that are not just black and white on the the balance sheet so you probably won't make money on the football piece of internet. If we break even year we're going to be ecstatic but my business has been exposed to a lot. More people that ever would have scotland waltz. Well and the thing is you're not gonna you're not gonna go either. You know having a nice group of people so it's you know it's it's more sustainable and columbus been there you know for for years. I remember going down there to as league president. When the first the first team jason was with started their the the vipers and Nice nice community. Nice nice facility. You got a building that is supportive which is crucial. A lot of times you know arena. Football's the red headed stepchild in the arena. And you know you guys have a good support system there which is great. How do you balance it. All of your business. And the one thing i've seen over the years sometimes you'll get a new owner in and they get so caught up in the team because it's fun and it's the shiny new toy and bennett neglects their business and they really struggle. So how do you stay. Grounded and focused so that that doesn't happen with you. The bottom line is like scuba shop. And then also we and jason we own a couple of other businesses well but with each of the businesses. You have to have to build that staff up. I i couldn't have done what i'm doing with the lines. Now say ten years ago business was was not in position where it would support that. I've got a great staff at the school shop. Jinyan jared do a wonderful job. I've got about twenty instructors. Who can handle that. In the beginning. I used to do most of the teaching. Most of the operating most of everything was not really a one man show but i i had to be there to make all the decisions and everything else and so now. What's been nice is i. I spent probably years five years training up the staff to do what they can do. Now to the point where. I don't have to be in as much so now. We're not now i can instead of being instead of working in the business. I'm working on the business. you know. A lot of people like to say that to my job now is more to bring more business in and then figure out. How do i get my staff to be able to support what we can bring in and sometimes we have to tap tap it back I know during the During the summer months we tripled when everything shut down. There's there's the water. Least that we know of as nasa we so we could cut. We did pretty good in in a sense. We triple the amount of students that were coming through in so that was a challenge and but fortunately we had a lot. We had great staff. Great instructors who did what they will take could to make it work somedays. It's it's somebody's at stressful. Somebody's not But the the big key is make sure that Wanna try not to take my work home with me so I think it started yesterday. I think because now. I realize i've got about a month's worth of bookkeeping to do in the next seven days. I felt bad though. Because you're like it's my day. And i i'm not working. I keep message back up or just continue. Knows it's it's all good. So basically. I i try you just you just have to know what's to be important. The one good thing about football is we've set up the office so that it can run on broadened. So good people would riding curtis mayfield with broughton. You got to name who works there. we've got. Rick is the salesperson. And and then we've got a lot of people who come in and volunteer help when we need it in their specific areas and then we have some great owners. You know. we've got john hargrove and johnson amazing guy he. He's one of his positions is a civilian assistant director of the arm. So he has a lot of connections. He's the kind of guy that walks in fort benning the protocol in not. He's coming in so they have. Somebody you know worrying walks in. He is out of handled is the right word. But basically they know he's they they don't want him running around postal these different places on his own. They wanna make sure that he doesn't go supply and so And then you've got my call who's been is wonderful addition to the team and then jay patel dr patel. He's been he's been great been helped us out with quite a bit. And then so we've got a great staff and we basically to empower them to do their jobs because if they will do their jobs allow me to. Do you know mike piece of it. Which is which is not a lot of it in my mind gets more to the level of. Hey here's what we want to do and my my to pick holes in it figure out how to make whatever they want their idea how we make that a little bit better in how to support it from the ownership group and also is. It is something that's doable in. Can we afford to do that. Are you considered the managing partner for the club. Or i am. I am the managing partner on the majority share. The team now assorted our it with a small percentage and then you had at the time yet kiki and skips eight who had been there. Basically almost from the beginning in a teeth noureddine off duke laboratory and so all them were two point. Where you're they'd been involved nearly thirteen fourteen years. It was time for them. You know they had a. They were getting their age. There's some health health issues and so I just happened to come at a good time. And work with each one of them as a group and then was able to purchase their shares from them and then decided. Hey we need. i'm not gonna i can't. I'm not is foolish to some of the other owners in the lead so like you. It's being refused. You need some help. You don't wanna if the season's not going to be a good season financially then you don't wanna be stuck with the bill at the end of the year so we went out and said you know. Let's let's for some some some good owners and so we've done that we're in the process of continuing the. I think that's good. I think that's that's smart going back to your business. Do you do a lot of cross promotion between the the scuba and the team or is it more team to school. We do some like the like lonzo take up some of the unused advertising input. Put things up. And i'll pay you know pay sign agendas put him up and then when somebody else wants to buy it immediately i you know for me. It's greater. take exactly so so. I can give much advertising as we. We need there in so sometimes some cross promotions one of the things that i've been trying to work with jason showing. How all right. So we have all these contacts with the lines. We have all these contacts with with skydiving. And we have young for these other things. So i actually started another business together which was go jumping. Slide to a bali house was and one of the things we do. Is we talk about it. Where if every time ran a bouncy house. Let's let's give them a ticket to a game in an or a free swimming lesson or free scuba lessons or something along those lines Because the other people are looking for adventure and everything else so yes there has been some cross promotion of different things and we look for those opportunities to make that happen. So let's talk a little bit about the league in howard's the league structured because a lot of fans don't really understand or know they seem As the commissioner. They think that you know he makes all the decisions and You know kinda dictates everything. But how is the kind of set up from Leadership and management structure standpoint. Okay so they're on so it's worth leadership goes there are three. There's the league is run by a board and there's a board of directors. Every team has a every team provides one person to the board and an alternate so there are there so right. There are fourteen members on that board. There is an executive board made up of three members which is rob storm. Steve ran and myself and the executive board. It's realistically run by the board itself. Executive board might guide some direction or a little more hands on and more more day today. But we law chris to operate most of the day to day items whenever whenever he Whenever something is going to be kind of a bigger item usually go to the executive order to figure out what to do from there. Chris up you know he he. He will probably do a lot of the day to day stuff but for the most part the decisions are all the ownership the league. There is no one person that owns owns the league elitist owned by the teams. I believe the nfl set up that way as well. But the league is owned by the teams in each team has an equal vote. So i'm marl jacksonville. May think they're great. Great thing they get the same boat that idea in columbus and so that's that was a that's the great part about it. Is you know if you look at columbus we are you know. I don't know if they would let us into the league now. We were coming in his new team. We're just a tiny market. Compared to me. I mean we have a couple hundred thousand people in our area versus. I mean we're we're definitely the green bay. Oh the nationally. But then you look at albany or when we got street new york streets yet to meet million people having like that and then and then. You've got jacksonville with. I think it's one point. Eight million if you look at the whole metro area or orlando. Sometimes i look at this like what what is what are the columbus lions doing here. 'cause you one of my friends one of the guys. I got a little group of people use sounding board in. Schuyler said you know what i asked him on. What would i talk about when you asked me to be on the show. I said well right and talk about scott or does his. His e said the columbus lions are football's greatest underdog story and now from him. I said you know you're right because if you look at that first game steve. Lot likes to talk about all the time. Here's what here's the situation. We had just formally anyhow will not we. I was in a part of the time but the nfl had just formed and they brought in columbus lions who came from the pif which is probably a tier three lead. And then you have the jacksonville sharks which came from the afl probably tier one league pushing it into. I don't know. I'm not really dealing with tears but it's but just kind of make understand the story and then we're now to late but they're really. It's really a tier three playing in the game against the tier one team. I walked in the field. All big guy. I mean at least players were massive on the jacksonville sharks. I look at our. We carried almost the exact same team from the p fell into the next season. We'd adam for five and six seven years and we look at the sharks and it was the same team they had an afl. And you know we had no business being on field but you know what we took them. I can remember sitting next to the bench in the front row with a bunch of their fans. y- i am wearing my columbus Lions talking to me and everything in. We're sitting there in the all the sudden we're down twenty twenty two five or something like that pass between one to five and we somehow comeback. Jason plays a dozen miracle and starts to come back in next thing. I know we have about a minute left in the game. We're only down by five weeks. Jason's got the ball on on his own flacco lying on on their own five tenure he starts marching down the field in you could have that arena was silent. You could have heard a pin drop. Because they were so worried that they were about to lose a game to this getting team from georgia and it was amazing. The people around me started. Almost i mean they were like man i can't you guys are out. I can't believe you pull this out and we get on a five yard line. Jason timeout to burn a little bit more the clock and we have one. We had one bad. Play the with the excitement of everything going on The snap from center got fumbled in week ended up costing the game. And you could. You could just see the emotion on our players. Just you know we we will. The game was always do was walk. Five yards into that end zone. We were gonna be in the nhl chaves for the first year and beat the mighty jacksonville sharks. It would have been the greatest underdogs. It was the biggest enroll story you could imagine and we made one mistake it. You're one led a disney made for tv movie right. What's interesting and jason if he's on to share the link but our local. tv's See tv being one of our big sponsors produced or a show for that incentives. Spn and actually wanna work from his pin jason man being smart like it. I like it so so was that the cl- have you won any championships. We'll the lions went to fourteen ships in rhode too. I think i forget what the first lady was But we were not only one league in the two years before we joined the the nfl. We won both championships now. I think someone mentioned that. I think it was terry. Last night mentioned that we were the bullies of those leagues. We really were. We beat some teams one hundred. Did nothing hundred one hundred. Something did nothing. We beat them three to seven and we just dominated so much in those leagues in the championship. Game of that second championship. There's jason just put the link up for the for that thing. It's if you wash it it's it's it's a pretty amazing show. You can see the if you've never seen emotion on football But if you Or so but the in the championship game We were beating them so bad that they quickly came with five minutes left in the game and they walk off the field. A damn this. This was a twenty one team league and we just we actually destroyed. Well i can tell you this. It's so hard to go to a game and not have a good time. And i've seen it. You know over the years just with a of the owners dumb from like yourself. They've been out the games they they get attached. You know they see you know how big an impact the team can have in the community and you know get to know the players the coaches and There's like a nice camaraderie about it and and there's a lot of ways to like. I said i think you know. Get things out of it so to speak without it. Being cash necessarily right absolutely. We'll tell you. In all. Speak both casey and i and my call. We are all in this because of kids. We all a into the team. So in my mind you know for me was the warwick gotten involved and then since i got married and i have four daughters in so with the four daughters. You know. I really in football. We watching some game. When i would travel to washington to visit to visit would start watching some games on on on youtube and and then when they came to the thing dame football people but they are football people now because they come to a game sitting there you're eight. Where else can you be ten inches away from a field of play in football. We are so close that the players are leaning. Lean lim thing in the plate back because the players are faces or the coach comes over and tells you. Hey here's the next play as your as everybody round with watching or not. I thought it was gonna find this one time but a ball comes flying through eileen so far over the field and in swatted at the ball but it was kinda funny because my fingertip just barely touched. But you could hear it in. The referee looks at me like this real quick and like because you really should have been fan interference but the guy. The opposing team called the ball so he just let it go which which is fine. But i don't. I'm not sure if i hear the sound but it was just this very thing and but also plays in jacksonville. The fan reached over the thing. You just grabbed the kickoff returner. He just grabbed him but cannot prove that the fans can get so involved. I think you know if you come if you most of the people say what's your what's the place you don't wanna go play. Almost every time in the columbus lines. It's you know georgia's arena if the civic center because it is you know it's you're just everybody's just ride on top of the you're playing in. It almost feels like blood score clapping where people are just going crazy. We're hitting into the wall. I can remember when i was in greensboro. The cobras gain in my daughter. Flew over there with us With mike got a little private plane to fly us all out there real quick to the game. So we're out there and my daughter's doing the warwick things and she's on the bench and she's not paying because you've bought a whole lot of things going on same time on the field so she's looking one way in the next thing you know here comes the receiver coming straight at her smasher writing a face helmet everything. She's laid out on the her glasses of our flew off. She gets up and she has the biggest grin on her face. Like this huge thing know. They're trying to help her up if they got your little gotta concussion. She's got this green like oh. I can't believe that just happened me. So but most of the owners. Like casey smith said. I want to be back in when i when i was in florida. Football through my kids were too young to enjoy it. I wanna come back in. I wanna come back in. And i want to enjoy football but i don't wanna do i don't wanna be the don't want to be a single entity. Owner single are in. Do this in my call. You know his his family. You know their their staunch supporters of the team you know and of course he's he's one of the owners as well he's he is for a shares goes as the second myself but he We we drag our families to all the games. We drew rather families up to new york. We we just. We did everything together but just an amazing amazing time. I'm looking forward to going to one -tario into some other places on all these all these. You know the new the new you know albany. And then i'm looking forward to the expansions. Yeah and just touching on the family thing. it's funny because my kids are a little older now daughters. Twenty-three she's out on her own and My son just turned seventeen so talking to my son the other day and he's like dad. I just one of the most fun times in my life was when you would take me out to practice and i remember it was up in saint louis. So he's probably nine ten years old and we would practice it like ten or eleven o'clock at night and it's it's school nights. I'm a good parent. I guess right. But like i say look let come along with me. We'll grab something we'll go to practice and so what you guys are saying. I mean y- they may not realize it now or even you guys the the magnitude of it but those kids are going to remember all that stuff like the rest of their lives and you know my kids. We traveled everywhere. We you know we went to every road game. So i mean it's a pretty cool thing and you know now there are a little older and they don't wanna be around me so they probably wouldn't go. You know my my five year old. She's five now who's four three and four years old so we took her to one game. The first game we played against the orlando predators. It lasts it left such a lasting. This would not this passes in that we just but the season before that this latte left such a lasting impact it. Every time she talks about football she talks about landau predators and she was looking around. I have a stack of football's careful. Say that but i got a big stack of footballs and she couldn't find orlando predators. When she was demanding that i get one and so we had to ownership ship group of the orlando predators to seek a get us a football. I mentioned did 'cause she wanna play because that's the team that she knew. Should someone team. She's been took it. She goes to bed at seven o'clock. And so if you look at so i was a kid. I would have killed for some of these opportunities that say my kids in getting now two. I was in high school in. We were such huge football fans. Unable to tell the story for another time lord oliver we in spain we could watch. There was no tv or football. The only t be the only time they would ever get. Football in was the was the bowl games at the end of the year in the super bowl but they came on at two in the morning. So we would. We would always try to find a way to watch those games at two o'clock in the morning on the base because we lived about thirty miles away and it was it was. It was a crazy time because it was school nights. And we're trying to do it so we had. We spent three years listening to football games. We could watch him. We just spent four straight years listening to football. We were so such huge fans of football that we have this little foot logging. It was this weird little disc that you shoved in a slot and then so on the front side. They had the play that you ran to the had like ten discs in on the backside. It had six defense that you could run. Prevent defense run defense or past equals whatever in so would so you would handle the the disc your opponent he would slide into this gain and then the however slid in is the defense that would run in this. Little voice would not three yard run something. We played an entire nfl football season keeping stats and it took an hour per game at the time. I think there's tweet teams of fourteen games per week. So fourteen hours a week we played an entire nfl season and kept the stats every single fire. That's how big a fans we were a football in a you know so it was it was it was just an amazing time If i if i had one i would love my buddy laura. I mean from the top to out to game. So if he's listening you need to come out and watch this year. He's out in arizona so not not a bad driver short little flight don -tario to if he wants to come. Yeah that's we're I'll i'll make sure he gets out to a gain but put to be able to do something at the level that we do now would just be amazing just wrapping up a few things. What are you guys doing in. Prep with the kovin situation right now. Obviously vaccines out. How is georgia The columbus civic center as far as fans and and all that stuff we're We have to play waiting game waiting for the civic center to tell us. I know jason's been more taken more. the lead on that. I think what. I'm not sure if this correct but i think what i was told that we can put into. We can put up fifteen hundred people there the first quarter of the year and then but but they don't know what's going on the fourth quarter because there's so many factors that would just don't know how how widespread will vaccines go. How at what point will the people in our area. Get them You know we'll be with any you know with the new new administration coming into the white house. What changes will that make. So there's there's a lot we don't know the best thing we can do is just prepare the play. The seasons no way outweigh the moment that it drops in the moment that football touches the ground. We're ready to go so we we're focused mainly On on bat. Because there's there's not much we can do with the cova situation and we're not gonna we're not in a there's nothing we're gonna do at team level to to change. What kind of the rules. Regulations that were using. That were that given. So don't so a couple last things. What is your favorite arena on the road to go to as visiting team. Oh let's see for the arena itself. That's a toss up. I hate totally covers. I just be honest. i hate going to carolina. So that's not for sure. Why do you think they were kinda rival arrivals. I we played them in the second championship game. We walk in with the most beat up rag tag team. We picked one guy hit planned for a couple years before we. We flew minute That that night of a game the nothing out of the game that the night they get one o'clock in the morning before the game because we were receivers. We had lost over receivers. I n we lost quarterback. We lost a couple of our i. We had two people that it started the game previously playing for snack game. We just got terrible. you know. it's just a terrible time we Well and now. Jason says it. I'll tell you this. Jacksonville is one of the two that i love going to. And but it's it's horrible also going to orlando orlando. Just a state of the art city may give us a box or first game. There might off my daughter and jason's are play and that box was just was just absolutely amazing but it was so far up you could barely see the game and they are so high you know i went to. I went to new orleans. Jacksonville game and i'll tell you the one i got kinda gotta fight with steve. His i fan need my gained to once the game starts might people even know. Don't come bugging meter the game. Gets the question to. I am a fan. I'm lira watched the game so every arena go to. I talked to the owner. Say hey i need a front row seat. I don't wanna see five rows back with the other owners. I don't want to sit twenty rows back. I want a front row seat. And i've had to pay for of those seats sometimes so i talk. I talk to steve's hey where's my seat because i don't have a seat for you. We sold them all. And i got so mad at and i was just pissed. I just remember walked away because it's not falling. He's got make money too but you do for that. is you. Just go on the bench. Like i used to have asked me as an assistant coach so i don't get involved in that but i just stand in the bench area i just i want to experience it as a fake as the fans do okay. I you know i can. I can go on the bench. I want to but i just. It's not the same for me. I wanna i wanna see it with only interact with the fans from the other teams. And i go i. Jimmy was sitting in practice with other fans. I'm not sitting with my own owners. I'm sitting with people in other teams. But i went to one game and kevin and jason and biden me sitting there in their their Sweet with him. And so i went over there and i sat in the seat. Knock like i said. I'm kind of a big guy setting sweeteners like feeling around like this is the most comfortable seat i have ever said. It was one of the dream seat sweets or sweet seats. And i'm sitting there and girls coming in bringing me popcorn drinks like i just walked twenty feet this way and there's all the food on one eight is like man. This is the life. And so i brought that brought that to columbus so we eliminated an entire section of seats and we created sweets around a field level suites because as a fan. That is what. I want the experience the game. I want them player flying the thing naomi i am looking for. If you're listening you better. Hand me. A football. After a touchdown and i don't care if i gotta pay the sign. That's coming from that. But i want the football you need. You need to do that. Can you know the the football flying over the you know the players flying overly game the coaches coming and talking to you. I can remember the other opposing coaches coming ours. I think billy must have hated it because he got yelled at more than anybody in the world. Come into our room and so just the excitement wall at the sweets this year. So they're the entire field around. The field is going to be suites. A couple of questions. Somebody was asking what you think about. Adding rebound nets. I never watched the game with rebound. That's all i was. I never watched any of the arena football games or they fill games when they were back in. Its hay day. So i don't know a whole lot about them but the big key where i think it would it would. It would probably not fly on any of the votes in the al. Simply because it's a huge additional costs and you get a retrofit some the arenas and and One of the things that with that were more just in the setup cost. I mean just set of installing. This set him up. Install all that stuff and it's it's really comes down to like jason said it comes down to money. We you know we really. We really like what we're doing with the deuces. And and that's i mean it's a the deuce is one of those things that just drives fans nuts when you kick adduce would schuyler tyler Rossa kit five that game. It was absolutely amazing and crowded was just doing nuts. What about ironman football. you know. i've heard a lot of talk about that lately as well. I know there. There's some people in the league that are big. Proponents of that we lost a quarterback cutler wheel we lost you know mason espinosa. He was he was just. He was amazing quarterback on target. I think he threw five interceptions in the first half of his first game against the sharks and didn't throw three interceptions the next two seasons after that so he was something along those lines but just amazing guy. He went down with injury. I just can't see a guy who plays two ways projecting a quarterback that's face in the value of the face of the team that stat. When he went down we were in first place that year and we lost the next five of the six game. Five or six games coming up. So i just. I have a hard time with defensive. Lineman protecting my quarterback because he's because he just to be able to play both ways so i'm not sure how really feel about that. I think the concept is really cool. I mean to have some guy come out. Play iron man. There's a few of the now you know there was a guy last year from the sharks have played both ways and i think he made even I wonder if i think it may be bill. chris. I'm not sure but on the mvp last year at the championship game Kris gilchrist. But i'm not sure. Oh yeah what is that all about. Well jason was known so at one point as long as you want to challenge you could just kind of keep going like unlimited challenges. It felt like it. You get three challenges. A half and that's seems like our in. Jason was the master of challenges. He because he knew the rulebook better than the officials do because he held a cody solve. It can clearly saw. who is. Yeah he you're right go to solve. Was that like. I remember talking to him for my nice. Seek that the jacksonville sharks gave me. It was funny because i was talking trash. And he's right in my ear right in his ear and then he catches the ball wide. Two seconds later runs down for touchdown so we got to get one of things that we've got to get better in our teams kickoff return. We gotta learn how to tackle better but less less challenges by gibson and nobody moral we. He used to win almost every once. That's the way we keep going and get more of the men eventually We kind of toned it down. We're thinking get one or two you get one or two a half. I think you get three a game or something like that. I don't remember what the rule is now that but he would win them all the time and so why not in my opinion you can. She'll challenge anything if you win. The challenge should be able to keep going. Yeah i mean as long as it's not excessive to the point where you're just doing it to disrupt the game and so if you start losing so many than well. I think if you lose once you lose one or i think once you lose one i think at that point. You're you're condon so he would he would. He wouldn't challenge unless it's something that he was one hundred percent sure of but like i said he knows the rulebook inside out he was. He helped you know he. He's the l. a. Rules committee so he knew better than the officials did. And so a lot of times we'd have to break the rule book out game and show i know because i wrote it. I grind. I could see him doing that right. Now what is the best part about being an owner. The majority owner of the columbus lions. What's not the all the extra hours that it takes to do. Some of that stuff. So i think the best part is is really just having the ability to use what talents. I have to make the help. The team get better health. The team survived hoped going. I mean come on have been around for fifteen years. And i'm gonna live in an apartment for about five years. But our you know our slogan fifteen years of family fun in football and to be able to do that and then the other pieces Being able to be a fan of the game you know being able to be in that front row seat. I mean if you haven't experience a for almost see at a game it's amazing but but my my penny one. If i could list a petty thing going orlando or any arenas i get to park next to the team bus so i get to to get a park right there next to the team bus and so when i was so i don't search for parking or you know figuring that out just go follow bus ending so i guess you gotta pa announcer. He's the second in the league as gosh was concerned. So he's he's great. He's voices so deep in powerful that he overpowers the mites over time. So i mean it is it is it is It's defeat any last things you want to add about what you guys are working on in columbus. I know i try to keep them at about an hour. And i know i'm i i could talk. You got some great great stories in some information so well not so much from columbus blue from the league level. Here's one of the things that i'm very excited about is. I'm excited about fantasy. Football coming out. One of the things that i did with a little group group of guys that i spent time with online going over the email there from all different teams of people from carolina jacksonville in some other teams. And we we. We've been doing fantasy football for two years now. I think i won both years. Because i'm just trying to see football legend in so but we've been doing it for two years playing and i'm so excited that we're gonna be able to do it with profession because we've been doing it with we just. We abused one of the jacksonville and to make him. Do all the stats us. And and calculate all the all the scores and points and all that and we had. We had to do a lot of rule. Change along the way. But i'm excited for the fact that as a league we are going to have fantasy football this year and because when i did last year i picked up almost all columbus lines and i win with the clients because our stats are are good but i picked up one player from massachusetts pirates. Mardi gillian each are not to be the number one player on fantasy football force and it was interesting because nobody really brought up that factor in the year and he scored so many touchdown had so many points so many catches so many everything. You know doing sack quarterbacks. Facebook and never accepted it so snored it. Because like i said i know who i am. I'm just. I'm just one of the executive director of team owner but i don't think anybody even knows that so it's going to allow all of the people that follow the now to get to know players from every team because imagine when you're players playing on a team you know on on a on another on. It's not your team playing your players playing. You're going to be watching those games. So i'm excited for that. I think it's going to be a great addition. And i think that's going to be one of the things that helps the nfl. Really put forward while the one thing. I keep hearing from people i talk to and i've been talking to jason a lot over the last month is just. It's all about fan engagement. I like this show trying to trying to get more out there with the fans and connect. And i think a alive i think the fantasy football Some of these other programs that you guys are working on behind the scenes. I mean it's just going to enhance the fan experience and that's really what it's all about because if we don't have fans then we're not going to be doing this and and so it's important that You know the fans do participate you know. Give us feedback. You know on this forum or or reach out to the teams but you know we can't do every idea come up with so. Don't be offended of your ideas. Not not definitely wanna see that engagement so the question. I actually have a question for the fans of the things that we've talked about in columbus. And i think we brought it up at the league meetings but we we're not. We're not really go. Word is what do people think about. Having a three point flight after touchdown. So if you've got. I would love to see if i would love to see some comments if anybody what are the. Xfl did it. Would if we brought something like that to the nfl. What do what what does everyone think about. I would check with casey to we. We did something the x league indoor where we had different points for extra points based on you know where the ball was placed. I getting creative. Like that is is pretty. Good a josh jackson. Jacksonville asked what do you think about any crossover championship games with other leagues. Do you think that is ever a possibility. we've talked about that for years. jeff bucci. When he was a part of the league he was trying to set that up. I know we've had we've had a bunch of Discussions with the nfl about about it. The core is we played two completely different games. I would love to see a championship game. I know i remember last year Last played jason. My actually went up to Sioux falls and watch the game with the sioux falls between sioux falls Teams and you know so it was it was it was a it was a really fun for us. We were on our off week and we said hey. Why don't we go up their game. See what the nfl's about you know we. We wanted to look at some of the rules that they were they were doing in So we went up there and it was just he was like boys night out and we went out there and you know. Imagine me just a basic fan of the game. And i'm gonna. I'm gonna meeting with kevin guy you know my wife. I played american football authored. Speak but so. I don't mean with coach. Riggs kevin guy and jason gibson. And i'm sitting there i. They're talking. I'm not saying i'm not so there's not much i can say because now sitting in just it was just a meeting for one of the games and i'm sitting there and it is the three winningest coaches in arena football that working today and i'm sitting there it's just a fly on the wall is what i felt like and so it was it was. It was a great time. The best about that trip that was dutch oven jason in the car on the way back. That's always the best. I have one last question. Who was the biggest shit talker beatings last week. Oh gosh rico. Terry's all he's always up there. Talking smack steve. Steve was probably on the thickest. Of course the shorts did win two of the three a championship. So he's laying on. The thickest. Rob was rob was probably a little subdued. But i'm normally iraq gets his one liners and then and then it's all done. Your steve is probably doing the most of it because because we were in jackson bill and it was its own place and it wasn't there so we missed. That part of it was kind of funny to watch. Patrick patrick was sitting right behind me from the terio california to the bandits and it was kind of fun because we we. He was a lot more laid back night expected. But i can remember we walk in. He was tired. He had just flown all night. And just got in there and you know i know when we when he was at the when he was at the show i know he was talking about how he just had to soak up. He was a soaking up everything behind us and he. He was like wait a minute you and so he really. I mean it was great to see you know. All the owners sharing their thoughts sharing sharing their opinions sharing what works for them. Work doesn't work for them. It was it was. It was really good. I've had my fights with the owners during season but at the league meetings. It's always. It's always been want fun. But i i would say hands down. Probably got be. It's going to be jacksonville. it seems like it. I see them on social media so they seem like the big you know the trophies the back it up mean you know but they have a nice target on 'em now six teams running for them but if you look at it you know this this kind of speaks to how well the organization isn't how globally due in football but in the game against us. They were one play losing that championship in the game against carolina. They were down by eleven points with a minute left in the game and the carolina cobras had the ball. I don't know how you lose that game. But the carolina cobras have the ball. I mean it's hard to blame blowing an eleven point lead on the officials but now it is what it you know how those officials are. We're not allowed to talk about in a l live. That was the one stipulation. Though i it was a great game. Jacksonville won both of them. So you know you gotta you gotta give it to them. They've got to trophies. And that's what counts in joshua. I want to thank you for joining me. It was good to get to talk to you. I mean we. We've talked a few times but never really In-depth like this. It's good to get to know you a little bit. And i'm sure the fans to especially now they're going to see. Oh that crazy guys are owner over there so they keep keep doing a good job. You and jason are doing awesome stuff up there anything. I could do to help you guys. You know you can call me so Appreciate what you're doing is one of the best things that the league's needed for long time. I've loved the show of watched every episode. And you know. I've been a listener and a watcher. I i appreciate everything that you do for the league. I think what you're doing is getting really. Make a big difference. What that that's the goal is just helped. Elevate the game. It's such a great game and We'll be seeing. Come up there and get those scuba lessons and check out a game so next week we'll be back for another show so You guys next tuesday.

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75. Case Report: Coronary Vasospasm Presenting as STEMI  UCSF

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75. Case Report: Coronary Vasospasm Presenting as STEMI UCSF

"Worldwide cardiovascular disease affects the lives of hundreds of millions dedicated cardio nerds everywhere are working hard to fight this global epidemic. These are their stories. Welcome back Carter exists other than Dan. Thanks for joining us as toured fellowship programs across the country. As part of a Cardi nerds can series produced in collaboration with the American College of Party Fellow and Training Section. Each episode will feature a cardiology fellowship program fellows from that program will present teach about a fascinating case and share. What makes their hearts flutter about their program. Each case discussion followed by an e CPR segment from a content expert and a message from the program director. Before we dive in, just remember who you are an independent educational platform this podcast is not meant to be used. For medical advice views expressed do not necessarily reflect the opinions or policies of employers. 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We have with US doctors, Emily Cedarbaum Ben Kellerman and Matt Furstenfeld and I'm GonNa ask you to introduce yourselves to our guests here but I just have to say that in welcome you to the show and welcome you to the Cardi nerds family very happened all if you guys. Here, but I've been waiting to have Ben Kellerman especially on this show as someone who has started residency with and just learn such a great deal of medicine from Ben's always been such an incredible role model in his approach to patients to colleagues and clinical medicine clinical reasoning. So excited to be here to learn from all a few today, very special episode for us. So guys tell the audience where you are. Hi I'm Emily Cedarbaum. I'm so excited to join you from. UCSF I'm a second year fellow I'm interested in heart failure or pulmonary hypertension epidemiology and the social determinants of health I am originally from the Pacific northwest went to University of Washington for Undergrad Medical School in an MP age and I moved down to San Francisco for residency at UCSF and decided to stay on for fellowship. I am Ben Coleman I'm super excited to. Be here on the podcast I'm a fourth year cardiology foul either challenge kind of loving everything during my training. Some presume the somewhat less common trained pathway with the dedicated critical care training this year and follow. I-I've interventional cardiology training 'cause I loved everything in cardiology really would be going the most like by time in the Cath. Lab in in the Su- particularly taken care of Cardi Jiang shocking. You Corners Syndrome cardiac disease. Hi, I'm Matt Dr Seinfeld and I'm glad to be here. I'm a third year cardiology fellow interested in global cardiology general noninvasive cardiology, HIV implementation science disparities. This year I'm working on my masters in clinical research in doing research. With Dr Priscilla Shoe a world leader in HIV cardiology I'm from SAN JOSE. East Coast at Yale. Penn. than nyu before returning home for cardiology fellowship at UCSF. My wife is a pick you fellow at Stanford, and we have a two and a half year old toddler amazing Matt Ben Emily Welcome to the show and I'm always gets the hit these off. So he always gets to shut up to the people that we love from before we started the show and so I'm just GonNa the opportunity to save that Dan Kelman one of my best is definitely saw his passion for critical care. See you like definitely rubbed off a mate definitely had a big part of why. I'm in cardiology and why I love critical care and intervention as well. So then you haven't aged since the day I last saw you which that was a great day, which we cannot get you on the air not safe for work but guys. So excited to be in San Francisco actually have been there before multiple times because I did have family there and I loved it and I honestly just did all of what the regular tourists do. So could you guys take us to someplace where niche and we're the cool kids hang out so we can talk about some serious cardiology, the fisherman's warf. The only. Orchids now. To Alcatraz. Shipping. Never been out. To Alcatraz on Halloween the it was very scary. Kind of fun. Those are all amazing places. When I'm not in the hospital I try to be outside I have a ninety pound dog who loves to be outside hiking, backpacking, going to the beach exploring all the things so that they area has to offer my favorite places in the city are the huge public parks that were so lucky to have. There's miles of trails places, Golden Gate, Park, the presidio lambs end as a particularly special park for me because I just got married there in June in pandemic wedding and I'm also looking forward to trip Yosemite next month, which is close by. Coming from the Chili Midwest regionally on the East Coast and Baltimore, which gets cold I. Really Love the natural beauty in San Francisco and was mentioned lands end is a favorite spot in the city with my favorite spot in the bay area's just across the Golden Gate Bridge in Mount. Tam like a twenty minute drive across a bridge in here in this beautiful hilly mountains. Overlook the ocean. You can hike and run and bike some probably my favorite spot to go hang out and watch the waves in the ocean and emily and Ben. We really love hiking camping to in July we camped in the redwoods near Peschiera went to tide pools we're headed to Tahoe next week actually but I have to agree with emily that land's end is pretty special. All my gosh. You guys are really just warming my heart for college I went to UC Davis in literally every weekend that we had off we would try to find time to go to San Francisco and just hang out and enjoy the nineteen the day seeing the waterfront the museums images are so much goodness culture natural beauty that happens in San. Francisco. So it's just so amazing too heavy guys take us there again to relive those wonderful days we are here in Atlanta and by the way, emily congratulations on being married. That's super exciting, and so here we are we living those memories. Let's do what we love doing when we're hanging out with friends. Let's get to some cardiology would he goes have for us? So we have a great case at UCSF, we're lucky to have a three hospital system. It gives us a really well rounded training experience. Each of the three hospitals has specific strengths and unique patient populations. So I'd love to tell you about a really interesting. He is that I saw console service at our county hospital where we spent two months of each clinical year, we were called down to see a fifty seven year old man with a history of alcohol use disorder cirrhosis, atrial fibrillation Alpha Leukemia with iron overload, an active cigarette use who presented to the emergency department. After experiencing humus at home, he was amicably stable at first he was actually admitted to the floor service. Oh my God come back in general internal medicine with giving me a presentation on bedside rounds in the intermediate care unit. This is bringing a lot of bells. This reminds me of the case I wrote about in my application for residency. It's wild. You haven't heard a lot of cardiology stuff yet. The other great thing about this case was actually all three of us were involved in the case at various times, but let's dig in more. So can you tell us more about his iron overload? Of course, his iron overload was thought to be due to alcohol and alcohol use. He was previously managed with lobotomy but treatment was limited by his anemia unfortunately than he was lost a follow up but have very recently reestablished care and was starting to work with the hematology oncology team was taking any medications. Yes. He was taking motto parallel told Point Five, be it aspirin eighty-one daily Ibuprofen as needed and a handful of vitamin supplements. Everybody definitely take vitamins and supplements. His heart was in the one hundred and ten to one hundred and twentieth within e C. G showing atrial fibrillation blood pressure was ninety S over-sixties. He was saturating one hundred percent on room air and he was in no acute distress with exam. His lab showed Hemoglobin at eight point one that was down from about ten point two, two weeks prior ferry ten was over four thousand yet a normal reno panel electrolytes his Einar was one point three, his lactate was four point two t belly was two point two and his ast and lt or one, sixteen and sixty, five respectively. While guys, this sounds like a really impressive case and were you guys consulted for atrial fibrillation an or the instability? Why exactly where you consulted? That was the question I was Gonna ask say there's worrying science for jibe waiting but not necessarily cardiology. I'm not sure why we need to be involved. I was not yet involved emily. Why don't you tell us how how involved in this case? That's a great question. So at this point, we had not quite been involved yet, but he had been started on treatment for an upper. Gi. Bleed with an IV PPI and Octavia tied. He was giving Mahto for atrial fibrillation with our VR and. He then actually had a melanoma stool associated with worsening are VR hypertension and further hemoglobin dropped from eight point one to six point six. So he was transferred to the ICU for a bedside scope, and at that time, the team saw a gastric barracks that was spurting blood. The team was unfortunately unable to intervene on the Eric. So he was planned for a trip down to the Interventional Radiology suite however, when he was getting prepped up for his hypertension worsened and he was started on multiple pressures. Wow. This is a serious situation that's spiraling out of control and I've definitely seen this especially with our PSORIATIC patients. But before we even go further I think it's like a good opportunity to think about HR fibrillation and our VR and who your patient is. There's a big push to get rate control in your patient or rhythm control. But depending on how you're gonNA handle your patient with each fibrillation with our vr you may go one of two ways array control strategy or rhythm control strategy, and this is a great case that I think. Highlights how much we think about our patient when we approach the strategy, obviously, there are amicably compromised that they need to be carver did you gotTa cardioversion but when you're thinking about your patient and particularly with Ray Control, you gotta think about them handling slow rates versus handling higher rates, and in this particular patient, we have somebody who has roses and I'm not sure if this roses from alcohol disorder or potentially related to the iron overload. But if so or not even related, he potentially has iron in the heart as well and that would. Basically, set him up to be somebody that may potentially not tolerate too much ray control. So if the patient is unstable because of the GIBE lead and it's not something that I consider to be related to high heart rates related to fibrillation I may be more gentle on the atrial fibrillation at ray control side and focused more of my efforts on the GI. Resuscitation, which is how we're seeing this patient. Go here going now the almost thinking as you know, iron overload as a potential infiltrative carve out the until I know otherwise obviously if. I had more access to data and knew that the heart is functioning perfectly and there's no evidence of infiltrator cardiomyopathy than I potentially would be more aggressive with rate control. If I thought it would help with his human dynamics but these are just things that fly around my mind when I see a patient in the emergency room or kind of the bat with this kind of medical history. Yeah. His rates weren't that high they were only in the one tends to win twenty, and obviously the highest priority is to try the reversible underlying causes VR. Absolutely I feel like once a week at least on console psychic. The consultant team that impatience with a Feb with chronic. RV are really is just their version of sinus tactic Cardia in you treat whatever is underlying that type of Libya Hemorrhage, whatever it might be, and it will generally treat the rates as well. Yet these are really important points because when you have a V are VR is it purely the? That's driving the heart rate or is it in response to the underlying Hema dynamic trigger Ben just like you're saying this is probably in response to the underlying trigger right? We think about the amount of blood loss that will cause vital signs arrangements. It's hard to hang our hats on the heart rate here but heart rate is going to be the first thing that changes it will go up. But by the time you have a low blood pressure, you've already lost fifteen hundred cs two. Liters of blood. So by the time that a patient who's bleeding has hypertension, they've lost a ton of blood, and so the heart rate response here is probably an added nurture trigger to try to maintain the cardiac output, which is hard times your stroke volume, which is low in this patient presumably because of low pre lit from impending camera shock. So I think just for the audience, I would be extremely wealthy to try to control the middle blockers in a patient who has bleeding with hypertension. Absolutely at this point that the nicotine was doing the opposite back, they were used as oppressors in fluids try to support the blood pressure and they were all over this appropriately managing the patient emily padded cardiology got involved. How are we able to be helpful? Unfortunately, despite the best efforts of the McHugh team giving volume resuscitation blood. Vs oppressors he ended up suffering a code with unstable VAT CPR. Voices, and a shock he was started on 'em your own trip, and then subsequently also on a lady came drip. When he had continued runs a wide complex tech Accordia, a mass transfusion was initiated surprisingly the postcode. revealed an inferior stemming he had st elevations in leads to three. and V six and depressions in one AV will to MP3. Wow so far the patients had a GI bleed reclined mass transfusion protocol of ut arrest malice demi the opposite of items razor more things that you can count. Let's committed to go through our differential diagnosis rest the nation's on NBC G. Math. What's on your mind? You see US y'all vision and are there specific aspects of this patient's presentation or EC influence your thinking? In the setting of receiving ephron that can cause transient as ovation's but these ones persisted. So the first thing to think about is acute plaque rupture, but there are several other possibilities we have to consider hurry card ideas can cause diffuse St Elevations Stress Cardiomyopathy, viso spasm, coronary artery dissection electrolyte abnormalities demand Ischemia abnormalities are among the other causes of St Elevations on an electrocardiogram. Important to think about Catholic activation for semi it's also important to remember these other possible causes of St Elevations. To begin with the clinical presentation of massive jam, bleeding is not typical for acute coronary syndrome. However, this patient has inferior and lateral allegations with evidence of post your St Elevations as well as Involving that cardiac geography inferior poster lateral are highly suggestive of injury related to civic coronary artery. Furthermore, the patient had cardiac arrest with raises the likelihood of coronary, syndrome, and his initial rhythm was a ventricular Karya. Already, points Matt, at this point, unstable patient is having a massive Gi bleed and estimations I'm way. How did you decide what to do next? Let's him before emily, you jump in I gotta say guys, this is like an cardiologists worst nightmare leg you normally like maybe you have a tr- opponent gi bleeding. You're like, okay it's clearly demand or it's clearly related. Let's sort out the bleeding but when push to shove with this easy g which Matt really elegantly described where seeing s the allegations in two three in the F. with. Early are waves and posterior s depressions. These are really concerning an inferior ample stereo am I and specifically usually, but this level of three greater than two I'd be thinking about the right coronary artery being involved. So really attributing it to a vessel but also in the setting of St Elevations acutely like this in the setting, of Arrhythmia, I'm thinking of Trans Mural infarct mural injury. So this is really putting us in the corner that there's something focal going on here and I definitely want to hear how you manage. US next to this. Is a really challenging and tricky situation just to remind everyone for people who aren't as familiar with this like when you go to the Cath Lab, it's not just a procedure that you could do without happen. If you go radio, you'd WANNA use Heparin to prevent radio inclusion, and then if you going growing, you don't have to use heparin upfront. But certainly, if you are going to be wiring coronary artery, which you potentially would do here, you really have to anti coagulate this patient and it's one of those damned if you do damned. If. You don't situations and so this is really challenged. Then these are great points and it doesn't even bring up the fact that we also have to give anti platelets to keep that stand open. So a lot of issues here. Exactly. If those were the exact discussions that we were having, this was a really challenging case, a a multidisciplinary discussion that we ended up having in figuring out the best course of action we realized it would be impossible to anticoagulant or GIF tap to this patient before treating his active Gi bleed the GI. Spurt him. So despite the stem beyond easy g, he was taken to the irs sweet for coiling and obliteration of gastric barracks. Subsequently, Stat Echo was performed by Dr Ben Callon at the bedside and it showed wall motion abnormalities in the inferior and lateral walls and LV have a forty to forty five percent severe mitral regurgitation luckily normal RV function and only a very small pericardial fusion in that setting his opponent I rose from nineteen to one sixty, eight to. To fifty five and his presser requirement increase despite successful management of the GI bleed while just to say the first thing actually I did after hearing about the osteology was called Catholics to talk about what to do I was certainly a couple of the whole situation and then I spent several hours sitting with the I. R. Team while they treated the believe just in case I didn't know what was going to have to guide but now it sounds like it's Good treat it getting more unstable. So I think this is what I hinted off this very sick patients like good morning, emily welcome chefs. What were you thinking about? What did you think about the ECHO? How did it change how you thought about him and given the bleeding? What could you offer what a great gift to give to a the morning fellow? This is how I typically receive patients. Every. Without fail every time I would hand off to emily on Monday morning whereas. It was something like this. Yes. Amazing. Educational for me. I've walked off time in the Catholic. Every Monday for Ben Agents. A So this echo is definitely worrying the inferior and lateral wash snap normalities were in the territory of his S T. In combination with his elevated opponent, we now have evidence of myocardial ischemia and infarction in a territory likely attributable to coronary ISCHEMIA. The worst shock was particularly concerning giving we felt that he had been resuscitated from his Gi bleed pump failure in Cardio genyk shock where possible would warrant a trip to the Cath lab. Additionally, the presence of worsened Mitral regurgitation raised concern for mechanical complication of as m I the might be even contributing. To a shock while that's a lateral thinking about for a sick patient, all of a sudden on a Monday morning, he mentioned worsening agenda. Shock is an indication for a trip to cap also mentioned Mitral regurgitation as complication of an unauthorized semi how these patients with your the fell. That was you that morning it was you nobody else has a Catholic play into your thinking and how you decide what to do for him specifically. As. We move forward recognizing acute mitral regurgitation in the context of M I is so important has lot of bearing because if this indeed is a PAP rupture for mechanical complications, high chance, the patient may eventually cutting drastic surgery, and so it's really going to influence your next few steps because your plan to give anti platelet agencies specifically twelve, but she would give if you're intending to A. Is GonNA interfere with any possible surgical intervention but I would say that in a lot of patients especially, if a poster wallace involved, this may be schemic Mr from tethering of the related to the Post Remedial Capri muscle rather than a PAP muscle rupture in trying to find that earlier on is is can be helpful because it'll really drastically change the way you approach a Korean. Standing and anti platelet agents, and just to speak a little bit more about that schemic. Amar. There's kind of two flavors of schemic Amara. One is from like an old m I where remodeling, and so the wall that's associated with the path muscle might be pulled apart or dilated outer even and original, and that would actually pull the pat muscle away and remember these pat muscles are basically tethered to the valve and their job is to contract when the valve is being force closed by the ventricular pressures and they basically hold those flaps of the mitral valve and play like a parachute so that it catches the blood doesn't allow it into the left Atrium but remember that these. Muscles have to actually relax and contract in order to basically maintain the fidelity of the mitral valve and so if the pack muscle becomes ischemic, what will happen is it'll contract down and when it does. So it doesn't relax and allow the mitral valve to function normally and doing. So it allows for acute mitral regurgitation and remember that when the left Atrium as we made the point on. Several episodes already when the left Atrium is not primed, well to accept that extra volume load from the left ventricle that blood immediately gets shoved into the pulmonary vascular and could result in really acute pulmonary Dima. Now, we haven't had really an actual PAP rupture. So this is reversible and so restoring blood flow can actually reverse this Schema, and so that's why sometimes ischemic Mr in the setting of. Acute Coronary Syndrome could be very transient like the patient starts the flash and then you may get them less schemic with nitrates or other kinds of medicines basically get the molasses schemic and then that Ischemic Amar will go away and you may not even hear it with your the scope or see it with your echo when the become a schemic again, it gets revealed again and so that. Is Not something that's atypical to be seen in the Cath lab and so somebody like this, who really had their e C. G changes like pretty immediate in front of our eyes those would be things that I'd be thinking of especially if they're now going into pulmonary Dima in this particular setting, especially given an inferior posterior that we're seeing where one of those pat muscles just happens to lay. In our particular case, he wasn't really in. Pulmonary Dima yet, but ben's stat echo did pick up some are in. We were really thinking that it was more likely to be ischemic Mr from dysfunction of the PAP Larry Muscle rather than the flail leaflet from a ruptured poplar muscle for example, in the case like this, where the patient is getting so sick before our eyes I usually think about reasons to pursue emergent invasive and geography or to bring them down to the Cath lab in general. On especially in these patients with acute coronary syndrome, there's a few indications to go through. One Is S. T. elevations, which he already has. Another is genyk shock, which he may also have unstable ventricular arrhythmias which he had and mechanical complications as well as refractory chest pain, which we couldn't really ask him about. Because at this point, he was too unstable. The cavs a great place for these patients because of how much can be done their coronary angiography and re vascular ization can treat the inciting macario. Right, heart catheterization can identify low cardiac output in shock state also hurt Catheterization can evaluate for mechanical computations including right heart failure. The VSD if you do a shot run mitral regurgitation where you might see, Big v Waves and lastly at balloon pump or other mechanical circulatory support can be utilized while you're there in the cath lab to treat ongoing shock. Wow I heard amish call the Catholic the table truth. So it sounds like there's a lot degree learn to the map and I think it important point since. A big spacious in whether it would tolerate anti coagulation. It's important to recognize that there's a lot of the cap that can offer both diagnostic and therapeutically that may not require anti coagulation. For example, right? Heart Cath identify both the shock state, as well as the humidity of the Mechanical Complication Coroner geography as the ends described view US federal access doesn't necessarily require anti coagulation in the balloon pump potentially could be placed particularly if you think that his shock is due to low cardiac output or severe for details. Cardiac. Output and if it's kept up one to one as the pumps inflating with every heartbeat may not require anti coagulation for that during that time period. So when you guys do, we are still very worried because he was only a couple of hours out from his life threatening bleed. So we decided to trial a Hepburn Bolles and drip as well as an aspirin load. Before taking down to the Cath Lab, that way we could observe him to see if he was able to tolerate this without re bleeding from the gastric barracks. After he tolerated this medication for several hours with stable hemoglobin checks, he was taken down to the Cath Lab Matt was the cat fellow at the time that can you take us through the Cath findings for sure? We were really nervous about this case we nervous about his Gi bleed but the GI team and I are team which we spoke to reassure us that he was unlikely to replayed from his treated Eric's we ended up using right radio and right break. You'll access remember we had already tried him on Heparin Bowl Syndrome. So we were less worried about the cute use of. Heparin during the case on right heart. Cath. pressure was twelve is mean pulmonary artery pressure was twenty six. His Wedge was twenty two with an L. VP of twenty and his cardiac output was six with an index of three point four. So mildly elevated filling pressures with normal cardiac output while he was on northern Efren actually can I ask you? Do you have the? Systolic diastolic just. As RV functioned with a pappy because it thinking about what the next steps may be. It may be human dynamic support if needed or mechanical true support rather and understanding or localizing the source of been trickier dysfunction could be really helpful in determining the next steps yet his. Stolac was thirty seven and his diastolic was twenty which correlated with his LV. Matt, were you surprised by these numbers or yeah I very surprised I expected his cardiac to be much lower and I expected his filling pressures to be higher than they were despite his massively he'd been resuscitated with a lot of fluid lot of blood A. so I was definitely surprised by these numbers. I would just GONNA. Ask you know what is s Vr was at this point because potentially maybe he has a what appears to be normal cardiac output VR is very low the mason. Okay. Was this like a face Oh, dilatory phase of hemorrhagic shock or a genyk shock where the filling pressures Andy caddick apple may seem okay. Extra potentially help precisely the cause hypertension. His S VR was about seven hundred through very impressive numbers. And thing I do recall from the tracings is that there wasn't significant V wave suggestive of really severe mitral regurgitation. So he had mildly elevated filling pressures with a normal cardiac output a wall on some norepinephrine had persistent. Seo. Time still going to the Catholic one other surprise was that this was about twelve hours or so after his initial St elevation showed up on the. And he hadn't started to out yet definitely suspicious that maybe there's more to this. So I was just GonNa say when you have numbers that don't really reflect what you expect. The first thing that you start to think about is the fidelity of your actual testing and I'm sure that basically zeroed over lines have made sure that all the tracings were as expected look like legitimate tracings and then one thing that I do with a dilution is you can also look at the sat the could be very helpful and basically if you're chronic output is like pretty bad and your ad is pretty low, then you're like, Kay this kind of works together and on the other hand if you're. Not on the low side and your credit but or index is also nonetheless idea like okay. That goes together kind of fact, checking yourself within the same tests it could be very helpful yet defect which admittedly is not with a measure is correlated decently well with Thermo election but I think Matt's point is important that indirect is really Matt, your gold standard for cardiac output, your best closest to the gold standard, which is a direct cause. You're several delusion if you do it systematically when you're in the lap so that's you measure it three times and if they're. Within ten percent of each other you take good and if they're not you five and if you do it in a systematic way, always the same, it's a reliable tested. You shouldn't have to be with some rare exceptions using he was also indicated and critically also there are a lot of assumptions of an indirect thicker making make it somewhat less accurate. Yet I think that we did five years. The first correlated just to be sure because it didn't make that much sense to us at first and we did the right heart cath before we did the coronary. Angiogram. He did have a at about sixty percent. So everything lined up together. And why did you decide to do the cat I? I think at this point, we were twelve hours out from his initial st elevations and we just really wanted to know what was going on with this shock thought that would inform what decisions we might make in terms of next steps if we found something. All right. Sounds good. So the die don't lie as somebody. So we decided to shoot the left coronary already, I because based on his electro-cardiogramme, we suspected the right was the likely culprit. His left had a mild lesion maybe thirty percent in the L. A. D. and seventy percent lesion in the second bag branch of the led is cirque looked. Okay. Then we turned our attention to the right coronary where we found in eighty percent at a distance ninety five percents lesion that we thought the culprit for this demi take me through an important point dummy. We know from trials like culprit shock in observational data going in when someone's in shock and fixing everything probably isn't good strategy maybe associate with harm you identify the culprit lease that you thought it was. A and not that diagonal leisure ninety figure that out. First of all, we had the clue of the electrocardiogram. So that helps us localize when you have Trans Mural in far you can think about where the SEO electro-cardiogramme, how that maps onto the anatomy. The second thing is we had the Echocardiogram to correlate wall motion abnormalities in that same distribution. So really everything was fitting together and that was the most severe lesion and given the fact that he was still having. Even twelve hours in we thought maybe this plaque rupture event if that's what happened. Maybe in the setting of his Gi bleed, he'd been transient. The vessel, we hadn't been doing electric cardiograms continuously all twelve hours. We really thought that was our best guess at the. That's great. The ekg suggest isky me on the inferior wall in the postal lateral walls. That's your post you're descending artery in your poster lateral branch. This gives your RCA supplied both a poster I mean artery in the poster lateral branches based on the G in the echo you're confident that the was the culprit putting a stent and how'd you decide you? You're putting a bare metal stand people talking about or drug wooden sense. What'd you do? So one thing that are masterful teachers in the Catholic here teach us is that important to get the best pictures? You can size your stance if that's what you're gonNA do next and so we're taught to always inject dialers. Now we pause in Dr Ourselves, do we really want to do that in this patient on pressures, but we had these multiple lesions and it was definitely not the classic story for a plaque rupture event. So we decided to inject Nitroglycerine check for visa spasm remarkably, the lesions completely resolved in Seo Ovation's on CG disappeared in the lab and the nor epinephrine we were able to just wean it off and his blood is actually went up. Wow incredible. It was great. Guys looking at these films they're really impressive, and again they're going to be available on the blog that comes out with Definitely Click on the episode show notes in check him out. These are super impressive films but even in the first shots those pre Vasil later shots I am noticing something very interesting about this right coronary artery you see the catheter. Engaged in the right corner artery and you see a very nice normal caliber or or size artery at the proximal part. But immediately, it looks almost like a snakehead and then immediately becomes like the snake body as the right coronary artery goes all the way down the eighty groove and then basically ends up becoming the PDA in the V branch and so it's like this like kind of head shape normal sized diffusely thinned all the way down but. Then on top of that like towards the snake's tail in my analogy, it gets really tight, which is again what we calling the culprit lesions. So even like in these first shots and there's some evidence to me that potentially there's like a mismatch between different parts of the artery than the other part of the artery and an almost like spasm all the way through the entire Ari with different vocal parts that are worse than others but this is the. Opposite of what you would expect with Catheter. Induce vases. Fathom, it's the quite the opposite. Actually we're the artery and the Catheter engaged is actually not spasm and it's difficult to that this that where you see the spasm almost starting from way up top in the artery, and then when you see these basically follow up images, the entire artery resumes the caliber of the original proximal right corner. Hari. Which basically tells you that the entire arteries spasm down in. Those initial shots without vasodilator. But within the area of spasm, there are certain areas that are more spasm than others, and then when you actually look at the film's where there is, the die leaders have been given and the artery looks pumper will you can see is that there are areas where the artery was the tightest in initial films. There is some disease there. So there are some coronary artery disease at the sites where the lesions looked obstructive that basically. Exposing, after we took away that Jesus spasm from the artery with the dialers. Interesting really interesting. Definitely recommend you check out these films. Yeah. It was crazy case steady turned out to be predominantly due to coronary spasms, which is wild. And I have to say if I was his patient and our to choose causes ideologies of a steady, this is exactly what I would have chosen for myself because it means that you don't need a stent and therefore you don't need anti platelet agents to keep best at. In somebody who came in with a human dynamically significant verse, you'll bleed for sure this was absolutely the best case. For him in in this particular case, giving in to coordinate visa daily also seemed a little bit risky in somebody already on as oppressors and maybe even a little counterintuitive but it really was the key to this case. Then can you guide us through the physiology behind Vasil spasm what we do about it? Not. Sure. So Corey visits phenomena derangement of EPA Cardio, coronary vascular tone weeds, profound construction Associated Scheme Ya. The EPA cardio dysfunction may or may not be associated with micro vascular function, but it's often occurs only with the cardio statism. The Classic Teaching About his medals engine up that's where you have typical engineer with associated EKG designed their self limited results with nitrates. Administration is often associated with emotional distress or changes in sympathetic tone risk factors for Korn invasive specimen could cigarette smoking symphathise mimetic drugs like cocaine or methamphetamines magnesium deficiency medication effects including serotonin urging agents or catecholamines, and instrumentation as Matt and Dan. Mentioned with. And seems to be more common impatience under fifty in there may be genetic predisposition as well off in a short time. Frame is helpful in distinguishing Vasil spastic engineer from acute coronary syndrome because it typically is transient reversible and results. In fact, the we see a lot of post arrest patients. It's not uncommon that you see transient sti. Immediately, post cardiac arrest occur within minutes often the setting of for news during isolation. Then resolve on a repeat ekg. What is unique in this case is the persistence of St Elevation in the Cardio Scheme that persisted the point as demonstrated by elevated proponent in. Walnut. snapper maladies however given cocaine smoking risk factors for Vases Bassim end for you cornered syndromes patients with Phantom often have focal obstructive coronary disease as well. So cases that don't fit a classic pattern of is specimens such as this case, Warren in geography for evaluation, underlying plaque rupture or for something that surprises, you like a plaque rupture. Event, that's not due to visit spasm as Dan mentioned it's important to be able to identify angiographic geographic patterns that are more suggestive of spats as a composed of plaque ruptures distinguished from plaque rupture in several ways often the non diseased vessel as smooth and has no focused disease. So the rest of the vessel is non diseased and then there is a lesion there's long smooth concentric tapered as opposed to an ulcerated e centric lesion that you typically see impact rupture and as Matt mentioned for nearly all coronary Angiogram inter-korean administration of visit Dieter agencies useful to remove the confound ineffective coronary vase a spasm Distinguish spasm from obstructive plaque therapy for corner visa acutely in the lab involves injection of visit later, agents like Rapa milk. Carpenter, nitroglycerine typically, coronary long-term therapy for vases spasm uses oral nitrates and calcium channel blockers as well as advocated for smoking cessation control these assassin. That was great teaching on Coronary Basil Spasm and again. Thank God. That's what this patient had because it really simplifies the next steps moving forward but I have to recount were feebles, interesting cases. I had when I was in the ICU as a first year was a patient who came in with also an infra procedure s ovation. Am I with positive proponent elevation ongoing chest pain and so he went to the Cath lab in also had her. Ca Vasil spasm that proved with glycerin and that was a diagnosis spasm. But going back in that patient's particular history prior to developing his sudden onset chest pain he was on a diet and working out and doing the best things you could for his health but he essentially drink a milkshake with random additives mature what was in it he doesn't either. But shortly after drinking the milk milkshake, he developed whole body hives and so he's having. An allergic reaction, and so in this case, it was essentially an allergic Vasil spastic engineering and the name for that Syndrome is Kuna Syndrome K. O. U. N. I S. Syndrome which is Jay Patel, my intervention fellow talking at the time, and so I just such a fascinating central you get an allergic reaction that leads to coronary disease that can present in three different forms. It can be triggered by any host of allergies triggers like drugs environmental. Factors infections but there are three types type. One is Vegas spastic allergic Angina were essentially is physical specimen can progress to infarction type two is allergic Michael Infarction where you have a patient preexisting coronary disease actually has plaque rupture because of that inflammatory you anti-thai three is stent thrombosis, and in these patients in particular, they've shown that if you do coordinate aspirated find MSL mass. So that is a very ordinary ideology and this is less common now. Moved away from using Antigen ICK stent polymers with nickel and rather cobalt now. So it was just such a interesting syndrome with allergy causes of coronary syndromes and your patients are reminded me of that because ekg coordinator was similar. That's like a fascinating case. In our early, we're all young Carter nerds, but our careers are punctuated by very impressionable clinical situations like when you just described and I had a similar situation of a patient who is on the ecology center with a severe profound from aside opinion related to is chemotherapy at he presented very similarly to this wasn't having a GI bleed, but he was really hypertensive and was on epinephrine because of it, and then eventually ended up having really profound seal allegations and this time it was anterior different a different flavor by very similar anterior, really classic St Elevations, and so we ended up deciding back and forth and we ended up talking to down colleges there was A. Big POW very similar course we ended up going to the lab and finding legions very similar, but they were in the L. A. D. and coming back with a guide ready to stand and basically gave the dialyzers and Lo and behold like these focal lesions just like disappeared and they came back and the players were given again they disappeared and even though this patient had a really good outcome for the patient and are talking about the not he continues to have the St elevations just it was in shock all night long and unfortunately did not make it till the morning despite maximal these are dilated but while supporting his pressure was challenging and so vases spasm could be a real humid. Compromise and so when I reflect on our patients case over here, where we have this patient who's really not doing well, he dynamically has an insult from bleeding but also has some cardiac focused insult as well ends up getting the resuscitation for the bleeding ends up coming the lab and surprises us with these pretty benign right heart cath findings, and then subsequently we find out that this is visa spasm the way this together and maybe you guys did as well is that really the guys shot was from. His bleeding as we expected and it didn't help to have ischemia at the same time because while visas fathom is occurring, there is a scheme and that's evidenced by this wall motion molly. So there's is actual Schema and I wonder if during the time where he's hypertensive because of all the bleeding and also because of as a spasm, maybe he did have a little bit more Mr that we expected. But then after that twelve hours and we resuscitate with volume and blood and also corrected his jibe lean with. And now we come to the Cath Lab. He just has this insult with the RCA and the that wasn't enough to make him have the severe human dynamic compromise that he had yesterday when he had those two hits and that's why the right heart cath were surprising, and then eventually he had a much better outcome and I think, I'm it's your point thinking about people with allergic Dave Spasm. This is the opposite because you think about what you treat anaphylactic reactions with its effort in his case I think he was getting Beza spasm from the nor up an effort on the effort he got during the code and the continued visit presser us for his shock. He was really a setup for this right because he not only had underlying coronary disease in the area is also was given constructors to essentially keep them alive and so totally make sense that this he was set up for this. Exactly. So initially, we just have waited at the effort and he remained really stable. He was transferred out of is a you and was getting very close to discharge when he had a two minute episode of hypertension and Breda. Cardio. With recurrence of the inferior St Elevations, it only lasted for two minutes and it went away at that point, we decided to start an oral nitrate and plan to start a calcium channel blocker. If he's assassin record, he was also encouraged to. quit smoking smoking as a significant risk factor for coronary basis basim like we learned from Ben Earlier, his repeat echo showed normal systolic function moderate Mr and the previously seen wall motion abnormalities where no longer present he was discharged with close follow up after this two week hospitalization. So this was a case of an upper GI bleed requiring vase oppressor support led the cardiac arrest with stem It was all caused by corner. Vasil spasm in ultimate resolve with Inter corner visit. or a long term therapy with calcium channel blockers nitric. What if a tastic case guys and thanks bringing it up it's so helpful and really got US thinking about so many different important key points in cardiology. But one thing that I did want to go back to what you said earlier on in the case you mentioned that we were dealing with two conflicting issues and you reached out to discuss the case with your attending and I just wanted to highlight that is such a beautiful thing. The the cardiology really allows for that collaboration and that basically putting minds together. It's basically built like that. By the fact that we have carved out the people putting their heads together within eventual teams ended eventual teams putting their heads together with General Cardiology the prevention teams. The whole field is really built by that cross collaboration and I could see even by the way that you guys handed off this case to each other that was really embedded into the fabric of your program and the fabric of your clinical practice. So guys why don't you guys tell us what made you choose cardiology and particularly what drew you to? UC. F- for your training. Creates a third. So many things I love about being here at UCSF. One of the biggest draws for me as our three hospital system it lets us have such a wide range of clinical experiences. It'd be really difficult I think to find that any single hospital we have the main university hospital at UCSF. Then we also have the Department of Public Health County Hospital the general and we have our va hospital where we get the privilege of treating our veterans. They're also so many research opportunities here. The faculty are extremely approachable and other anything about our program is are flexible. Third Year we have to intensive clinical years. Basically all of our clinical rotations upfront and the third year is traditionally a research year, but it can actually be used to pursue classes further you're experiencing imaging or Cath, or to pursue your other academic interests, and it's it has just so much flexibility to work with. Of course, being in the beautiful area doesn't hurt at all and may very favorite thing I have to say about UCSF is getting to my amazing co fellows. I am so lucky to get to work with them and hang out with them. It's it's a really fun and Supportive Group of people, and we all get very close during the years of fellowship. UCF is an incredible place, the quality of teaching and mentoring standing I think the three hospital system particularly the county hospital. You just see things that I wouldn't see anywhere else in you end up growing so much through that in through your. Experiences every Thursday. Morning, we have a an hour-long deep dive in the case just like this, and there is so incredibly through these cases that fouls managing even though it's early in the morning the room, it's now a virtual room but the room has always packed with just amazing clinicians and senior faculty members who come to pass along these amazing paroles for each case, and so even though I'm on my critical carrier off and on other services have pre around instead is still try to join law doing my pre rounding and hear about the cases. So when and Dandridge. Present case the hardest question it was like, what case do we present? Every week, there's a case just like basically and I think the great thing about that is at the end of really at the end of your second year if you'll incredibly comfortable with your general cardiology skills between your time at all three hospitals so whether it's procedures whether it's cases whether it's concerts, things like this you're comfortable handling even if it's two in the morning or afternoon sometimes and then I think the best thing for me is Mike. O. Fellows we used to stay in hang out together until all the work was done it ended up being a group process people used to tease us because we would walk into the ICU with four people to do one p until we were all signed off was just such a supportive place even though during Covid, we haven't had as much in person time. We still have weekends Zoom Happy Hour hangouts that we've organized. Ourselves is a lot to love. My all's metering experience I wouldn't trade for us. I completely agree the sides returning home to the bay area. Top two reasons I came to UCSF where this strengthening clinical training across the full spectrum of general cardiology. Especially, the opportunity to take care of patients at a safety net type institution, and secondly UCSF strength in global health training opportunities in research like emily ban. I'm especially grateful to have amazing co fellows are class organized a second year retreated Napa last year, and we really also have a great relationship very collegial. With our attending cardiologists then talking to his attending early in the morning, we really get along well with our attending and frequently tax them like emily I do appreciate our three different hospital sites. I think that our program really is about learning by doing and so much of our first learning, how to do calf echo doing consults. But even as the first year fellow, you get to be first operator during stems general you to put him pacemakers get to tease even a fibrillation. As the second year fellow, I did become much more comfortable doing all those things than than you get to really take on a lot more independence especially during your time at the Va. It's has a lot of bread and butter cardiology but the San, Francisco via is really special because it's the referral center for coronary in structural cases. So we get cases from Oregon from Nevada Oliver Northern California with really amazing interventional attending there it's such a formative experience. To become ready for independent practice with amazing support in the team atmosphere there, and now I'm really enjoying diving headfirst into research being back in school as part of my masters in clinical research just turned in my final projects for our summer term, and one of the Nice things is fully paid for I. Don't have to worry about any of the tuition costs in really have protected time to pursue those goals of mine of becoming a global health cardiologists. And just want to emphasize one thing that Matt mentioned but did really highlight when we're talking about amazing uses at San, Francisco? General there are no advanced fellows. The fellas at the hospital are general cardiology phones. So this whole case from two in the morning when they called me about the not tell ten pm the next day with acted the corner angiogram was general cardiology fellows. So we manage all the post arrest patients, the stimulus, the balloon pumps, the TEEPEES, terminent pacemakers, all the device interogations always things run through the general cardiology follow, and if you need help there's. Always Super Fellas APN advanced heart failure in interventional who are available for phone concerts in your attendance are incredibly available th to talk to you and help you and do things with you and very comfortable doing procedures with new fellow. But you get a level of kind of I operator in hands on experience that you wouldn't get really I think many other places and it's pretty great experience. It's definitely a fellow favorite. Jones. You guys, you're making me have so many warm feeling and fuzzy's about UCSF and I think three hospital system brings such an incredible diversity of clinical experience and exposure and training. It was very apparent when I interviewed there and it was just is such a strength of the program and of course, the opportunities for mentorship research and you get to do all of this in such a gorgeous city. So thank you so much for taking us out around town had such a blast learning from you. Terrific aches and beautiful pearls couldn't imagine a better way to spend our. What's Today Tuesday I'm having such a fun time I. Forget the. End Day of the week. Thank you so much for having us on. Thank you thanks for inviting US assume much fun you guys. So excited to hear now from Dr Ben on fine to is one of the most loved algae attendance as the General Hospital thank you so much emily and a big hello to the cardio nerds nation. My name is Ben on I am a professor of medicine at UCSF and a general non invasive cardiologists at San, Francisco, General Hospital. After listening to a few nudes podcasts I can understand why so many students trainees and providers have really fallen in love with cartoon nerds and now treated as a go to resource for amazing cases in cardiology all done in a very welcoming and fun style. because. Of that, I'm honored to be here with you and super excited to provide you with some learning points that I took away from this really fascinating case the I I do want to congratulate are three amazing fellows. Ben, met Emily for presenting this case you all such a wonderful job, not only in your thoughtful care of this patient, but also in your fantastic discussion of the case on the PODCASTS. Now, let's jump into this really interesting case. For Review this is a case of a fifty seven year old man with a history of alcohol use disorder psoriasis not anti-crime gration off Attala Mia. An actor smoking who presented to the hospital with him tendencies and found to have an active jibe lead those complicated by shock malignant Arrhythmia s the elevations on E. C. G. and ultimately diagnosed with Corner Vasil spasm. Now. There are three particularly interesting areas of discussion that I wanted to focus on this case. The first deals with the management of a in critically ill patients. The patient presented with a massive bleed, and he'd been an amick instability suggestive of hypoglycemic shock in this setting was noted to have a fed with. VR. No Feb is very common in patients admitted to critic rigor units and new onset a fibrin the hospital has been associated worst outcomes. A FIB has the potential to cause a number of namic cardiac arrangements impairment of LV filling seen fast, irregular heart rates loss of atrial contraction and AV synchrony found a FIB can all contribute to reducing cardiac offline? This can worsen hypertension in patients who are already in shot. Loss of atrial kick can be particularly detrimental to patients with Di. Stock is function who have worsened lv compliance and depend on each contraction for most of the LV filling. This can lead to elevations, left sided filling pressures and pulmonary congestion. A fifth can precipitate a worse Mark Artis due to increasing oxygen demand from elevated heart rates an increased end diastolic pressures. Will v can have these unfavorable human namic and clinical consequences? The keep control of aphids may not be necessary in all critically ill patients. Now, of course, if the patients present with human. Napa compromise from a with VR then immediate rhythm management with Carter Versions Cooley. Indicating. However if a FIB is not the primary driver of the critical illness or the fifth is not significant impact in Human Amex, the urging control may not be as critical understanding the trigger. For a FIB or the driver of the rapid response is an important initial step to of management in the ICU a number of eighth of triggers a present including increased inflammation electrolyte abnormalities, elevated catecholamines, state, and couldn't use of as oppressors, and with Choline, surge the VR May represent an appropriate physiologic increase in heart rate to augment cardiac output in the face of higher metabolic demands. Now, controlling heart rate in this case may actually be harmful for the patient. Several groups have looked into the impact of a in. Cardio. Jack Shock. Patients Subgroup, analysis from the culprit shot trial showed that in patients presenting with an acute M. I and shock the presence of a FIB did not significantly worsened mortality or increase the risk of recurrent mchardy infarction or stroke. Therefore, an initial approach to managing a fifth in the ICU patient may be to explore and eliminate triggers. This may include treating infections correcting. Abnormalities choosing appropriate visit oppressors in our patient he presented with an initial problem of hemorragic shock that was the main driver of his humor, their necks he was in fifth with an initial interest rate of one, hundred, ten to one hundred twenties those driven likely by an increase in sympathetic activation in attempts to maintain cardiac output in the face of hype over Libya in Namibia from his active leading additionally, the concurrent use of bid at presser agent likely also contributed to tackle cardio. Therefore. It was appropriate for the team not to aggressively treat his VR but rather targeted their efforts at managing a fifth trigger with fallen resuscitation correcting has underlined bleeding. In addition to a managing the second area that I found really interesting in this case. Was a clinical dilemma related to dealing with a possible stemming in the setting of a jibe lead now, patients presenting with stemming an acute jeb lead are not common in the acuity trial. Only one point three percent of all ACS cases had clinic significant jibe leading. However when they do present together, the often bring up multiple clinical conundrums now, the decision. To bring someone to cap lap to intervene during a semi should be based upon evaluating the benefits of opening included artery against the procedural risks in the vast majority of patients. This calculus favors the benefits of acute intervention. Particularly, if they're high risk features including carcinogenic shock malignant the RID MEA or mechanical valve complication, all of which were possibly present for patient. Data, from the shock trial demonstrated significant survival benefit at six months for patients presenting with Cardio Genyk shock who treated with emergency. We've aspiration as compared to patients who were randomized suggest initial medical coach. While the benefits of revitalization in steamy are clear. There are associated risks would jibe leading. Massive bleeding post stemming can result in hypoglycemic shock worse in Ski Lia reinfection and reduce cardiac function. The acuity trump also showed us that patients who had major bleeding associated with acs had higher rates of death reinfection and need for revitalization additionally patients who developed post acs bleeding and require blood transfusions often have high rates of cardiac events and mortality. In addition to considering the impact of leading the decision whether to take a patient cat lab may be impacted by the severity or extent of the. For an uncomplicated inferior stemming, which has a favourable diagnosis immortality of less than ten percent deferring intervention may be reasonable. But if there was a large answer, am my Cardio Jank shock or mechanical valve complication things that point toward significant higher mortality that may be reasonable to consider taking the patient lab for intervention even in the setting of a signal lead. If taken to the cat lab, the Intersectional Team May consider strategies to open included vessels without sensing and possibly avoid the immediate use of do antiquated therapy. Some of these invasive strategies may include in initial tempt with Rombas aspiration or plane balloon angioplasty, and a subsequent decision on whether a student should be placed could be contingent on whether there remains residual around us reduce timmy flow or ongoing human amick compromise. If sensing is planned, pay procedure Heparin may be favored given that it can be quickly reversed in terms of P two Y, twelve receptor inhibitors. Kagwa Lord may be the preferred agent given its rapid onset reversal binding of the P two y twelve receptor and slightly faster offset compared to grow. In our Pishin given the history of massive bleeding pre procedure, anti coagulation was started with happen, which allowed the team to test whether the patient with tolerate additional anti coagulation. Luckily, the patient did not need vascular even the absence of inclusion. And that brings me to the third area that I found really interesting about the case, which is the manifestation of Basil Spasm impatient. bleed as mentioned in the case Corny Basil Spasm US involves transient focal or diffused nearing a one or more arteries. The pathogenesis of Baseless Basim is thought to be due to an imbalance of sympathetic impera, sympathetic activity, endothelial dysfunction, or micro vascular disease. There are a number of triggers including cigarette smoking stimulant drugs such as cocaine and amphetamines, allergic reaction, and corner instrumentation. Even the short duration cardiac markers typically negative in patients presenting with Cornyn Basil's spasm. Diagnosis of Basil Spasm can be suggested by defying. Se. Elevations with chest pain on twelve EC. G or ambulatory is monitoring visits. Fathom can be confirmed. I'm corny and geography using provocative tests such as the administration of Acetylcholine in management using volve symptomatic treatment with calcium channel blockers or nitrates. Now in our patient presenting with SC elevation an easy g in the setting of lead the diagnosis evasive spasm was clear after the left Heart Cath demonstrated spasm, and in retrospect it was easy to understand that he had multiple triggers for visceral spasm including active smoking presence of corn, atherosclerosis recent and ongoing visa present therapy as well as increase autonomic simulation associated with a shock. However prior to the left heart, Cath, there are a number of factors that made it challenging to consider a diagnosis of Vasil Spasm Upfront I. The patient had prolonged SC. Elevations for several hours and elevated cardiac markers which would not be typical for transient visible spasm. Additionally, the patient had ongoing shock malignant Arrhythmia Wall, motion abnormalities, and significant mitral valve regurgitation that all were suggestive of Papa complications from a semi. These findings would have been atypical for Corny Basil Spasm in this setting therefore is appropriate to have a presumptive diagnosis of a stemming fortunately, the diagnosis of Vasil Spasm was made in the Cath lab and appropriate treatment was provided. The patients quickly improved in was able to wean off all of his vase oppressive therapies. The patient ultimately went on to recover. This case really had it all. It was super interesting based upon the high acuity and complexity of care. Associated with a jab lead possible stem and all the human amick cardiac arrangements. It was challenging due to the clinical conundrums that came with thinking anti coagulation incenting in a patient with an active jubilee it also headed atypical. Zebra diagnosis with Corny vessels spasm I want to thank our amazing fellows, Emily Matt, and Ben for caring for this patient and presenting this case also want to thank the cartoon nerds nation for this great opportunity to provide commentary to this case, it has been such a superfund experience. So thank you so much. Take care everyone and happy learning. Now for a word from our beloved program, Director Qasim Hi this is author Qasim of the program director easiest I'm a non invasive cardiologist focuses on structural echo novel therapies for heart disease I run the court lab here. I'm also very interested in medical education research would like to think the cardio give me an opportunity to speak about our cardiovascular program is very admirable that they're using these podcasts showcase specific disease entities, fellows in programs across countries especially during a time where virtual earning has become more. As you just heard Ben Madden Emily discussed a wonderful case of difficult to manage shock patient competing pathologies. A massive GI bleed stemming critical thinking was vital to successfully managing this patient active collaboration between I G. The floor cardiology team in the interventional team was essential for this case this case highlights is one of the many amazing cases are Trini. See here at UCF as well as the breath and depth of pathology across three amazing sites are at Long Hospital County Hospital, which safety net. Hospital, in our San, Francisco Va Medical Center, all of which have state of the art care where our fellas take center stage in the diagnosis in management of patients are intimately involved with every critically ill cardiac patients are fellows also mentioned this, but it's worth emphasizing further that one of the other things that defines our training program is the degree to which are core fellas have significant graduated autonomy. You don't hold back. We let them do quite a bit early on with the appropriate supervision. At the county I assist with stem is in the cath lab helped place in pumps eighty device checks. Trans Venus Pacers tease to help with the imaging during Mitra clips and Taveres at our San Francisco va work with a whole host of advanced fellows. MOFFITT long provide amazing care her fellows very comprehensive and rigorous training in their first two clinical years at the end of their second year, they're able to function in many cases at an attending level seeing this transition fellowship is one of the most rewarding. Parts of my job is rector given that it's interview season. We get a lot of questions about what we're looking for among people interested in our training program first and foremost I would say we're looking for people with passion in particular area, whatever it may be something that drives the training to WanNa help advance how a practice cardiology great to see trainees shering interview really light up about something they've done a really want to do I feel it's our job to really help them realize that passion intriguing. One size fits we have crafted several training pathways for Fellas who've been interested in emerging areas including cardio oncology, crinkle care cardiology, global cardiology medical education in artificial intelligence to name a few are training program doesn't lock anyone into specific mold training tries to provide everyone choices in the tools they need to be successful. That's being a basic translational uncle researcher and Educator Administrator leading practitioner out in the community advocate health policies or an entrepreneur or any combination of the above like to think that we have something for everyone here fact. We've had several fellows go into industry of started companies that have been very successful barriers proximity with tech companies. Certainly, a great benefit for those interested in taking advantage of partnering with Industry Sin Francisco is also very richly diverse city with people from all different backgrounds and cultures is the city that values that diversity Mike Weiss Ucsf in our training program highly values diversity as we select our trainees in whether that means that someone is underrepresented in medicine or his traveled a long distance to get a career in medicine take knows. It's amazing. The people you'll meet air. Some of our international medical graduates have come from developing countries or wartime countries with minimal resources in risen to the challenge of being very successful here in the US. He also have folks who have grown up in the US where the very first person in their family to go to college. UCSF has a rich history over the last several decades in supporting marginalized groups. This is very well outlined in our office of diversity website which encourage everyone to visit. We seek fellows from a wide array of backgrounds as they will be best able to take care of diverse array of patients that trickles all the way up to our fellowship. In Division. You'll see an emphasis here from the division to focus on health disparities in antiracism during training actually have an anti-racism. Working Group anti-racism Journal, Club within the division. We feel that these are important aspects that trainees should be more aware of in order to better take care of. Patients finally, I'd like to say that many of the training programs featured here on Cardio nerds have been wonderful collaborators colleagues especially during this very difficult year with covid nineteen, which has made us rethink how we train our fellows interview applicants in a virtual environment leave a program director serving, and there have been countless examples of sharing knowledge and resources across programs that many fellows can benefit from cards. I. Think fits in with the small very well. So thanks again for lying ucsf up to take part look forward to working with you again in the future. What an amazing episode a huge thanks to the fellows and faculty for enriching us with another terrific discussion and an incredible edition to the Carter case. Report series. Be. Sure to check out the show notes for all the case media available review key take on points and discussion points and links to the program. 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Better Rivals Ep. 289: Its a pre-preseason mailbag!

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Better Rivals Ep. 289: Its a pre-preseason mailbag!

"Welcome to this week's edition of the niners mission dot com better rivals podcast. My name is oscar operate and this week he can officially a mail bag. I have no idea how i'm going to get to the n._f._l. Through all of this and with me this week here to tell us the precise temperature pitcher. You should keep your feet at st newman. Oh god probably not at a temperature where frostbite is possible that you believe that so that is the weirdest injury i've ever experienced and i think i haven't even experienced it like if you haven't heard ladies and gentlemen antonio brown he's hurt on the injury report with the foot issue that foot issue is apparently frostbite from cryotherapy. Did you see his feet pre frostbite aspect no. I i try to make it a point not to look at other men's feet d._a. Was. I don't know how you missed it. Honestly i don't wanna look at it either but sometimes shit just happens. Opens comes up on the field and use some toe jam. It was just the way it looks like the whole bottom of his foot was like coming off essentially <hes> <hes> it was it was disgusting. He had god just yes. That was like the whole reason so it started with that like that's what i mean like the whole situation being super weird because you you start with like this weird shit that's happening at the bottom of his foot where like the skin is all coming off all super blistered and gross and everything and then i think the cryotherapy was supposed to be part of the treatment for that but he likes stepped on it barefoot and that was not supposed to be how it worked no no and so yeah i mean just cold feet yeah. That's that's pretty bad. That's that's pretty terrible. Let's get to the rental quick and then we've got a new segment that we're going to introduce this podcast and then we'll go into all of your questions that we got from twitter and the niners nation in comments. Thank you to everyone who submitted a question even if we don't get to it we definitely read them. We especially like the what says about missionary. That's that's probably my favorite question. Let's get to the run too. I risk reward. That's right <hes> the first the only story here in the rundown is actually not even forty niners related at something. I thought was pretty interesting and now is about. Tom brady's contract and the void years. I think it's something that is super interesting and i don't think used heavily but other gm's use them in the league and so i just thought it would take a really quick moment to ask a few questions about what the hell that is and why it matters because i think this is one of those unique corks in the structure of a contract contract that more teams are probably going to use and when you start getting near the top of that cap which the niners if they have to pay a couple of players here in a couple of years will find themselves was it may be something that they start do because they are typically at the forefront of some of this cap structuring step so david what the hell happened with tom brady's contract and what the hell's avoid year so the the effectively did two things at one was they looked to free up some space for this season which just gives them kind of a bit more flexibility sibility right not necessarily saying that they have to make a move with that but new england obviously a team that's kind of always looking for different ways to improve their roster for in one of the more trade happy teams in there so just kind of gives them additional flexibility if they want to make something happen. This season also so is a nice way so brady ends up getting more cash this season then he would have otherwise so. It's kind of nice you know. Everybody knows about brady consistently taking less money than what the market's at to kind of like help them be able to surround him when more talent basically like a nice. Thanks thanks for for helping us out. We've got some extra cash for you here but then yeah the second part is what happens after this season and that's where the void years come in where essentially i mean those years are they. They don't have to be there at all right like they're almost certainly not going to happen with the way that the contracts structured and what the cap amounts would be for him in the next excuse seasons well really what the patriots are doing is they are getting a little bit of reward this season and pushing that can a little bit down the line and basically mortgaging their present for the future presuming that the salary cap is going to rise a little bit those void years effectively take advantage of a unique quirk of how salary of how signing bonuses says are amortized over the length of a deal up to five years and so they basically convert that money to a signing bonus it spreads it out over three years but the last two void and so it reduces cap number in year one and then when they avoid the next two years the leftover bonus does accelerate into the second year but but now at this point your ostra looks a little bit different. Maybe you've got a higher cap number. You can absorb more of that cap hit and now it's not so bad and i mean it makes a ton of sense for the patriots because they're they're definitely in win now mode so i thought it was super interesting that just the idea of mortgaging your president against your future when you have an aging quarterback and you're like yeah who knows when the eclipse gonna hit could it tomorrow happened brady's putting his house up for sale is really only under contract for this season. There's an avocado shortage t._b. Twelve twelve under fire what's going to happen. I thought it was interesting and something to definitely keep an because the patriots are not the only team to utilize this. I think the eagles uses with howie roseman and in a couple of other teams use it as well so just an interesting quirk thought it would be fun to point out in case you hear the void years buzz about you know exactly what it's all about so. Let's get to the next segment and really this segment. It's going to be called bar fight and it's it's really just my way of saying you're going to get into these bar discussions with someone and they're gonna say something that you think is patently ridiculous and it's your responsibility <hes> to really set them straight so this the idea for this segment really it came about because i play basketball on fridays with the guy and he also happens to be not not just one on one. It's actually group of guys but he happens to be niner fan as well and every single single friday without fail. He tries to convince me that jimmy garoppolo is not worth it. He's an unknown quantity and nick. Molin should be the starter. I shit you not every single friday. We're looking to get some cheap shots in on that guy like during you know just kind of like going up for a rebound or something like that but underneath there's there's no man it's terrible because i don't wanna. I don't wanna be like a total home like dude. That's wrong. I try to engagement but i try to figure so basically what i'm going to try to do is say okay if you were in this scenario where you are in a bar or you're hanging out with. Somebody's you're having a beer sure or two as we are today. Incidentally we're having some three nations hayes wizard double dropped. I saw name. It's great but if you're indulging in some hayes wizards and you have a fellow niner fan who's like man. You know what i think nick mullins. He's your dude. Here's here's i think what you should. I'd say so david. Let's let's let's begin with i. Why is this even a thing right so so the big thing that is kind of going around around with this conversation right because it's definitely something that's been like fairly prevalent throughout the offseason and it comes down to use a word a the point now where garoppolo and mullins have taken an almost identical number of dropbox. There's like three three more drawbacks than than mullins does during their time with the forty niners and when you look at just kind of their basic box score stats from those drawbacks they're very very similar similar more completion percentage similar yards similar passer rating all of that stuff like all of that is within you know generally a few points of each other so so you look at that and you see like okay garoppolos a guy that they traded for gave up second round pick. They gave all this big money contract to him and nick mullins lens's guy that we found what undrafted right just undrafted free agent in oregon n._f._l. Team that offered him an undrafted free agent contract and so you look at that and having a quarterback that can play well on rookie or kind of lower end deal is basically the most valuable asset set in football that you can have right now so you see that you know like okay. Why why are we not giving more serious consideration to nick mullins being the starter on this team so i think that's that's where it comes from all right so i bomb you. Drop in this bar fight number one box score numbers simply lack context how the numbers were produced and more specifically in what situations those numbers were produced matter a lot more than the actual numbers themselves. This really is this idea that even like not all yards are created equal equals like the genesis of even football outsiders right and end this devi away stat which is really really important people like troy aikman. Who's probably someone who doesn't they can who doesn't get the advantage of a lot of counting stats. He's actually a big proponent of not using counting stats for this very reason right because it doesn't always tell the full story and i think when you do you look at those counting stats news as shore. They may be equal but i think everyone would look at the way they play and say but still jimmy. Garoppolo is probably going to like. He looks looks. Just better on the field and that's because you look at the level of competition you look at what they do on the field you look at just their arm strength and you put those things together and you say you know what i don't know that these counting stats necessarily tell the whole story of the two quarterbacks exactly like and it just comes down to like how those stats are accumulated needed right doesn't build in any other additional information that is all of the things that are important essentially when you're trying to evaluate how well players are doing right a seven yard pass. Ask that's great if that comes on third and five and that gets you a new set of downs right. It's not so good if that's on third and ten and now you're putting right so it's the same thing the box talks. Were numbers are going to treat that the exact same way when you're looking back at these stats after a season or whatever it is but it's missing a lot of important information as to how those about so i think i think that's the most important thing that any any argument that you're trying to have about who is a better player should not really include those type of numbers. The second thing that i think you go to is once you move over to just okay. Let's watch them play and what stands out. I think jimmy by far is just a more or skilled quarterback and he's more skilled in areas that we know are important for high level quarterback right so just kind of like a few few things that we've talked about over and over when looking at quarterbacks is he accurate right garoppolo has been far more accurate on a throw for throw basis than mcmullan at this point. He is responsible for a larger portion of the offenses success when he's on the field right when they're making good things happen. A lot of that is because of what garoppolos doing whether that's making more difficult throws and pushing the ball further downfield and just kind of being more willing to be aggressive in and look for kind of some bigger plays there as opposed to just being comfortable throwing the underneath leading playmakers kind of make make things happen after the catch and this is really the hardest thing i think for lots of people to desegregate but you point to the recent superstar for the forty niners and that's george kendall wright and he had so many yards after the catch. That's basically yards words that nick mullins is getting advantage for that are really on george kill because he's fast and he's big and shanahan's scheme open so when you look at the context of those yards the thing thing that bolster that counting stat you're looking at a lot of cal shanahan a lot of george kittle nick mullins whereas when you look at the jimmy formula it's a little little bit more evenly distributed amongst jimmy kyle and someone like george kill and then i think once you move beyond that more basic stuff right so it's it's good like nobody's going to sit there and discount mullins for finding an open receiver and kind of getting the ball to him and it being a well designed playing him being able to take advantage that right. That's that's certainly a good thing as well but once you get into situations where things don't really go to plan. I think that's kind of a big thing that can differentiate eight your top quarterbacks from just kind of the more average or kind of backup level guys. I think a backup quarterback you would expect him to to be able to kind of take advantage of what the offense gives them not always he's done. He's going to do with that well right. He might not be very accurate or something like that. That also makes them a backup but generally he can see that stuff and get get it out. Once things break down. Though say that i look is an open. What does he do after that so he gets pressured quickly and he asked to kind of be flushed from the pocket and get out outside of the structure of the play. What does he do in those situations and basically in any of those kind of more complex situations even the stuff. That's a little bit more basic right just the the keys situational stuff like being good on third and fourth down and being good in the red zone. Jimmy is basically better in every single one of those areas once you kind of start looking at data specific to those types of splits he's been fantastic outside of the pockets of looking at stuff both outta structure and on on the design stuff that we know that shanahan really loves to implement so kind of in all of that stuff that that falls outside of just the normal instructor hitting he might i look in rhythm type of throws once you move beyond that that's where jimmy really separates himself and the forty niners offense is just more productive with jimmy garoppolo. Oh in the lineup they convert a higher percentage of drives into points with jimmy garoppolo. They're more explosive. If you look at at at expected points added and they're more consistent. They have a higher percentage of positive e._p._a. Plays with jimmy garoppolo than without or with nick mullins so ultimately if you're getting into this discussion you i attack the simple fact that they're using the absolute wrong thing to evaluate quarterback play to begin with counting. Stats are not what you should use at quarterback play and then you say so. Let's let's look at what quarterbacks should do to be successful. Jimmy garoppolo does all of those better than mcmullan's and ultimately the game's about scoring points. You score more points. You win the game. It's it's not that difficult and jimmy garoppolo provides more of that productivity and really. I mean you look like a ninety quarterback rating and basically look at them in the face. You look at them dead in the eye after your w._p._a. And you say you know what today's n._f._l. A ninety quarterback rating like backup level expect better than a backup razors. Yeah i like it. I like that finisher there yup and that's how you finish him expect better than backup and you know who's going to get their jimmy garoppolo all right so let's get to the mail bag because we've got a lot of really good questions this week from the niners nation comments and from y'all on twitter so before we get to the mailbag. Let's just a really quick break to hear some commercials because they pay bills. Hey i'm spencer hall. I'm holly anderson. I'm ryan nanny. I'm jason kirk and we're the host of the shutdown. Forecast your avengers of college football podcast it says in the script to riff on what that means and basically what i mean is over exploit every tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters pro wrestling into unfashionable pants. We warn middle school. 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The ring did not but i was listening to the ringer podcast this morning and they asked who was the player that they were irrationally excited about. It's curious which player your irrationally excited about david here for the forty niners. I'm assuming we're keeping it forty nine or specific yeah. I don't wanna hear about antonio brown's yeah. Oh man no. I'm not excited about that no what he has. I don't wanna hear about on homes t-shirt. I don't wanna hear about your baker mayfield t shirt. I'm excited for all man. I'm excited for all the good quarterback is is it i think even even though he is like a obviously a very prominent player and a lot of people are i think even still irrationally excited about them. That's jimmy garoppolo. Come back like flat out. I mean for all the reasons like that. <hes> of the conversations exist like the ones. We were just talking about in that bar fight segment. I meant like the fact that that is a serious conversation that is being had at times like so excited for him to hopefully be able to stay healthy and in get out there and let us see a full season of him because i think it's going to be awesome. Yeah <hes> for me. That player is dante paris. I think i'm kind of really excited about what dante ed can do. In this offense and george biddle obviously cares is starting to give excitement. We all know how much i love matt brita so i will leave my love for that man in a little box talks on the shelf for now but i think dante pettis can make some waves in this offense anything. That's going to be really really exciting all right so all fun play on niners nation says what are you guys know. I know about that. Oh hold on to that question. I totally forgot. Which player are you most irrationally excited about on the dynasty team that we just just wrapped up our draft for here last weekend. Oh man i mean it's gotta be mahomes yeah he homes one or two yeah david and iron and a dynasty lead together with some other friends and he took a home to honestly wasn't look pick. It's to be league dynasty. Yeah don't come at me. They made a lot of percents. <hes> made a lot of sense. I think if you like and these are deep bench is right so there's a lot of players on here. I'm actually kinda really excited about d._j. More i like d._j. More i like the carolina offense. I really hope that cams right because if cans okay like that offense could be a lotta fun. I agree. I agree wholeheartedly so a lot of fun. Although andrew luck and philip rivers has been q._b.'s not bad and lamar jackson with mark ingram doubling down on that run first offense man nineteen romans gonna run at seventy five percent of the time. That's why i drafted my third running back lamar jackson q._b. One rb one rb one. It's a running back can throw he ticks all the boxes everything you need. It takes all the boxes right now. Let's get to the questions all for fun play. What do you guys know about the forty niners new training staff the no live tackling thing and training camp seems odd to me. I get trying to be cautious but this seems like an over correction. David is no tackling encamping over-correction. Are the niners going to be soft as a result <hes> yeah i i. I don't know anything about the new training staff like beyond just like an article or something that i read so i mean outside of of my specialty there for sure i think is unusual. Though i think is pretty clearly no it's not unusual. I think it's a very least like this is something that just the n._f._l. N._f._l. i don't i don't wanna say unanimously by any means. I'm sure there's still you know teams out there that do more tackling but this is kind of just the way things things are approaching well. It goes back to the and the renegotiation of the and the players actually wanted less hitting and less strenuous practices and so now oh you don't see as you don't see some of the vigorous hitting and i mean shanahan said that he hasn't been on a team. That's tackled to the ground in ten years yeah so and you guys remember that when we did have a coach that was all about hitting in practice. That was my single terry and that's how you lose people in kent pretty quickly. I do think there's probably something to be said about replacing that drill drill with some other drill that mimics tackling or mimics that kind of situation but this is where you have a couple practices. Maybe you've got. I don't know preseason games. <hes> that will help you figure out how to tackle but i don't think that they're i don't know that there's any study that's been done that would correlate the lack of tackling and practice to like poor. Tackling grades. Chances are just bad players bad tacklers right yeah. I think there are definitely other ways to work on tackling technique and be able to improve approve the technique teaching side of things without actually tackling like yeah. I mean obviously that's the best thing that you would like to have of you know forty just ultimately like isn't worth the risk and i think pretty much every n._f._l. Team is seen that and this is kind of just the way that it's approached now all right another quality name on niners nation pet is patrol. Kill cartel is the defense roster significantly worse than say twenty twelve under vic fangio. Yes considerably. I think the looking back at that team when harbaugh and fangio and stuff i got there. The big thing that sticks out is is is there. Were just a lot more veteran players. So i think yeah it was easy to make a case that that like some of them had underperformed in stuff like that and that kind of the better coaching coaching staff was able to maximize that talent more but there were a lot of establish guys there right like we knew patrick was was great. We need justin smith was great the only real newcomers that were like young players on that defense where the guys that they took in that first draft essentially guys like alden smith and like chris culliver oliver were really the two main guys that were young and didn't have a lot of time in the n._f._l. Already and so this defense like the cornyist now is basically on the opposite spectrum like yes. They do have a few veteran players. Guys like sherman guys like four that they brought in in this off season but for the most part the guys that they are expecting to be huge contributors for this defense our guys that they've drafted in the last few seasons right that our young players unproven even have been either pretty shaky or or even just mostly bad in some cases so i think yes there is some talent there and i think there are some players that hopefully will a workout from that group but it's just a far more unknown situation than we were dealing with when harbhajan fangio got there yeah the i think the only thing i would add to that is is that even in the secondary i think the players that ended up hitting for the forty niners around that twenty eleven two thousand twelve area they ended up sticking it actually sustaining thing that level of performance to a certain degree so they have carlos rogers who came in on a veteran quarterback or on a veteran contract he was someone who was like. I don't know if there's any good turns out yeah. He was able to sustain decent decent play for a couple of years and that's what helped allow the forty niners to be as good as they were for so long and dante winner winter winter came in terrell brown had been there for a while but he he developed turned into someone that i gave the team quality snaps and so i think that they had what i would say especially in secondary is they had. Hey very thick middle where they didn't have. Maybe like the elite corner but no one was really bad. You look at the you look at the team right now. Especially in the defensive backfield there's some donte johnson still on the roster and greg me. Ben was the first man up in camp whenver it was you know taking some time off because well again he's injured and and sherman was getting another day off as well so that's still something to be concerned about but jab jab one thirty four from matters nation asked what is it that you guys are looking for. When you you watch the preseason football i thought this was a really interesting question because like he points out looked at the playbook or pared down. You know you're seeing a bunch of scrubs. You're not i i would say like forty percent of the players that were watching. These games are not going to be there in a month. So what is it that you look for specifically when you're watching preseason games preseason is about evaluating valuating players not evaluating teams so i think you know you shouldn't be very invested in the success of the team like necessarily early even like how well they're sustaining drought-like things that they would need to do consistently like during the season that you'd be hoping for you know like getting off the field on third down on defense or whatever it is like little things like that <hes> these aren't game planned games for the most part like they're going. They're they're working on certain things they wanna get players players looks and so i think you can definitely see some players that will stand out right in in their role and whatever that may be whether that's a guy that's getting action against some of the first team defenders on the other team because you're trying to wrestle your guys right and they're not you don't have your typical ones out there or necessarily or whether that's guys that are playing in the second half morgan's backups and just clearly stand out as players who look better than everyone else on the field at that moment like okay. Maybe that's a guy that we wanna get some snaps and reps with the first teamer earlier in the game when there's better players on there so i think yeah you can definitely learn something something about players at least but there's very little to take away from a team level so one of the one of the better books about football and about watching football's pap packer wins take your eye off the ball and i think the preseason is a great great time where you can start to practice not staring at the quarterback or following the ball when you're watching one of these games now at sometimes it can be hard because the camera camera angles for a lot of these games are complete shite like they're really bad really really bad k._p._i. Usually knock great bob but i think if you can practice looking at it you wanna look specific position group where you want to look at a couple of key battles. Now's the time to do it. Begin to train your eyes because it helps a lot and if if you can kind of keep an eye on what's going on screen but still focus in on a couple of positions especially around the lines because you're going to get the most of. I think that this is a really good time to practice that so you're absolutely absolutely right. David watch players not necessarily teams and that's why we structure our podcast actually around individual players all right so let's get to the secondary because this is the big group of there. We had another bunch of questions around the secondary that got ask them. Smith is from niners nation asks given the development in the secondary namely one sherman reportedly returning to form warm to tar various more moving free safety and three retina witherspoon looking legit starting options. How do you feel about the secondary. Are you still disappointed. In that group or has some optimism crept in and i would point you young's mathis to the reports today agenda that jason barrett yeah getting an m._r._i. In his ankle and i would i'd say like the basic premise is that that that those comments are based on may not actually be true right. Sherman reportedly returning to form sherman was reportedly back to some form last season before you know it turns out that he wasn't super great bob various more yes. He's earning more snaps but we don't know what that actually looks like against starting offenses that are actually gonna a game plan for the specific type of defensive looks at that are going to give him so yes would. I rather be hearing positive stories. Coming out of camp the negative stories absolutely eh but am i any more secure in what the secondary is gonna look like on game day or their ability to hold up over sixteen or maybe more game season nope right. I think it's almost impossible for some optimism to not creep in there just like it's the nature of the off season. It's my biggest guess optimistic. Point is tiberius more like that to me right. Now is where i'm like okay. This makes a lot of sense to me because he's someone who played well in college was miscast as a corner by i position coaches now no longer with the team jeff half lee and now is moving back to his more natural position and is starting to really wrestle that job away from adrian colbert at least in the backup spot. Maybe even when jimmy ward comes back. Although i doubt that happens because the teams love jimmy ward but that to me is probably the one thing i'm most optimistic about since since targets moore was a third round pick right. I think some of those things some of the comments from coaches are probably some of the things that i'm most optimistic we talked about last time about like how solid mentioned that the plan with the defensive line now that they're so is is deep as they are like assuming we can keep these guys healthy is to use a pretty heavy rotation rates something similar to what we've seen from philadelphia over the past several seasons where they really deep there you get a bunch of snaps for a bunch of guys and no one's really playing over over seventy percent of the time like so. There's there's little things like that. Some of the things that they're doing the secondary comments that are specifically regarding like an increased focus on on past defense being the priority as opposed to coming out and giving you the bullshit about we got to go out there and stop the run. I like those are. I think are the most encouraging things as for me. I think when you're looking at players and stuff like that i mean you've gotta still stick with your priors pretty hard here right. It's yes you wanna take in that new information and you're not just is going to discount that outright but this type of stuff in camp we know and expect to be overly positive like that shouldn't move your prior a whole lot and i think right now. The prior is still that this is a secondary that played very very poorly last year and has a lot of question marks like again. That's not to say that. Some of these things can't can't turn and workout positively. This season witherspoon is i think a great example of that played actually really well as rookie season didn't play so great there so it wouldn't be very surprising is into see him bounce back and kind of have more return to form so you hope for things like that to happen but again yeah you're not taking camp reports and being like all right whether spoons like like book and all pro and pro bowl tickets here so are at roach it from niners nation asks with the expected move to less single high safety stuff. Should we expect harris. Take the ross represent meetings marcel harris not tim harrison marcella safety tim here's corner or someone with more flexibility like x._m. Junior who seems to be on the outside outside looking in and i think the first thing and we talked about this a little bit on that joe woods podcast is that i think you're probably talking roach it about the interchangeable interchangeable safeties comment that you heard a little bit about with sala in the kind of leading into camp but i don't think that interchangeable safeties means less single high stuff overall the forty niners still play a ridiculous amount of single high looks and sala even said in some of his comments during training came and there was as i long interview where the the interchangeable changeable safeties just means that they're not going to always play someone down in the box. They're going to basically rotate to the strength and so their players are going to be a bit more interchangeable but that doesn't mean they're going going to change the identity of their defense substantively so there's still going to see a lot of cover three cover one and those single high looks because that's just the kind of defense that sala has structured and woods even then isn't going to. I think make wholesale changes to that nor do i think that he he would based on what he called in denver. Hopefully what you get is more pattern match underneath which is not necessarily going to change this single high. Look up top so i don't know that it's going to change the roster construction a whole lot nor do. I think we're going to see <music>. Allot more too high looks when they actually like snap and play defense. You might see more split safeties up top but they'll still probably rotate late and maybe more trying to disguise it and not necessarily actually be a quarters or two defense right. I think if they were gonna make a move that was more significant to where they were playing too. You high stuff like even close to half the time say i think we would have seen them address safety more seriously this offseason i yeah. I don't think you would have been comfortable. You've brought in all of these guys to play this single high system and if you're gonna move significantly away from that i i think you just naturally need to get that fit that new system a little bit better right rather than the guys that you brought in the filled system so i don't think yeah like you said we're gonna see a huge departure from that. I think it's just gonna be. You're gonna see rather than one guy who's always deep and another guy who's always in the box. They might be playing bull spots. What's but it's still going to be similar types of roles on the defense. I would think now he gets you a section where all of the questions were taken from twitter and they were all about david's favorite topic. That's right folks not punters but running backs david. We're going to ask you two questions about wrong well. I'm gonna go get a beer yeah. Could you bring on chris chris martin on twitter howell. How will the status to be divided between the three running backs. How did you see them being used differently and the same throughout the game so i think assuming health i would expect so you know roughly like a forty forty twenty type split between the top three guys with brita bean the twenty guy i think in terms of usage judge. I think it'll be pretty similar. I would expect maybe mckinnon is a guy that is used a little bit more split wide and maybe even you see him start to run some stuff more on like the receiver route tree in the passing game like i see that type of role for him. Maybe a little bit more than the others coleman can do. Maybe a little bit of that but i think mckinnon is is the best guy for that type of role. I think you probably see less of matt brita splitting denounce. He's more of a predominant backfield player. That would make more sense from what we've seen from him so i think that's maybe the small tweaks in usage that you see see but overall. These are guys that all have a lot of speed. They all fit well in the run scheme that they wanna do the outside zone stuff. They can all catch the ball at least a varying degrees of success so i think the the overall usage will be fairly similar and i think that usage will probably increase over over the course of the first quarter of the season for jerick mckinnon. I think they'll probably start off with more of a seven coleman. Heavy workload and coleman and breda probably getting the line share the snaps initially and then by the time. You hit the mid point this season. I think that's where mckinnon's probably going to start to uncork and run more those routes just because i think that the the knee swelling up giving a bit of a relapse is not concerning but i think the team will just probably ease him in a bit more when you have coleman when you have brita y- there's no need that just rush mccann back all the way at full bore off the get so i think you'll probably see them rant him up and it won't be till about mid season that you'll see probably the the true utilization of the three that makes in shanahan said that they're gonna especially take it slow throughout the preseason so who knows if leave and get a c. mckinnon at all in the preseason you know c._n._n. Rule it out completely but i think it would be. I think we get into third game thirty exactly. I don't think you're gonna see. I wasn't the and the second running back question doesn't exist mostly because they just want her to see your face. When i told you you'd have to answer to running back questions. I went through and delete it all. I made sure i blocked everybody that had running doc questions. That's fair yeah. Acting the niners nation delete all the comments out of there. Sorry don't tell fetch or kyle that you still have your log in credentials. Actually don't all right. Let's get to wide receivers because blood and gold miners nation says which receivers do you see making the fifty three man roster and really this is about whether or not the niners. I keep like five six or seven question mark wide receivers. You're you're usually more on top of the numbers than i am. How many have they usually have kept six right right. Yes i mean so. I think the automatic guys that i would be surprised if anything happened to these dante pettis this deebo samuel jalen hurd and trend taylor. I think all four of those guys are locks. I would be pretty surprised if any of those guys did not end up on the team and so then. I think you're looking. You know what four other guys that are seriously competing for. Maybe two spots maybe three i think the one that could be kind of a surprise is marquee skipped one. I liked goodwin. I think he does bring something to the table that no one else really does right. Which is that deep speed and i just don't know that that's that's something though that they are going to take advantage of as much in this offense so that's one of the questions from genesis not intendo and wanted to make that clear on twitter who brings more value to san francisco good owner james who still pretty fast but play special teams so i think yeah it's tough because you know we we like with the receiver group. It's always nice when you have guys that can do some different things well and that can bring different things to the table and that just allows you keeps all your options open offensively right all the different routes are available to all the different route concepts anything you want to get to you can depending on the package of players right so i think that's always always a nice thing to have and i think that is kind of a mark in goodwin's favor <hes> but i don't know i think everybody else though can do multiple things well i. I think that's kind of what separate if you wanna have a group that is that is all versatile on in you don't necessarily have guys locked into one spot or another right. You can move them all around you. You know maybe you're deep guy for a couple routes and then you know he's gonna do what he does a little bit better in the intermediate level most of the time right but you can you can move them round and not really tip what you're trying to do necessarily so then something like that is definitely more in favor of reggie james but i know it's yeah i think those last two spots are her tough and i don't think there's necessarily any of them that really stand out over the others right now so niner fan and main asks whether or not goodwin's tradable and i think goodwin is tradable but if you're gonna in a trade goodwin it's going to be pretty low round pick i. I don't think you're gonna get anything more than like a fifth round. Pick for some good one. I think his speed is obviously something that's going to track teams and his contract is not offensive. It's not going to be something that players or that. Team can't really take on but ultimately. I think it comes down to someone like kendrick born or jordan mathews. I think right now jordan mathews is on the outside looking in. I think that the the gambit for the eighty first jersey is going to be one by one mr trent taylor but but i think the team is going to keep more than six receivers. You really do run into a situation where you can't keep like six running backs and seven wide receivers and a bunch of offensive linemen and a bunch of defensive lineman like you. You just can't keep everyone right and so i do think that shane has probably going to keep six six wide receivers even quarterbacks right like oh what if c._j. Beathard and nick mullins end up on the saint like you can't keep an extra sure player every position and you have to make some difficult cuts. These are the types of decisions. I think that you start to have to make when you're rosser starts to get good and i don't think the niners were there at every reposition but i do think wide receiver. There's a reason that jordan mathews i mean he's a replacement level player. I i think he's the guy that has the workshop at edstein. I agree and i like it was one of those things. I thought like oh they they spent something on him to bring him in like of course he's gonna make rosaries a veteran player like he just just hasn't been very good and i think he plays he's played predominantly a role that we haven't seen in this offense like he was always i think kind of a long shot to make it to me and so i think those other guys definitely offer more value than him at this stage and if i had to pick had to pick two right now the other ones i would lean lean probably towards goodwin and james ninety born james. I think goodwill makes it. I think goodwin makes it and you've got got deebo. You've heard you've got pettus. I think born makes it and then you've got taylor and i think that's that's kind of the the unit that i think the team carries into the season. I think the players that have been getting hyping camp will end up getting snuck onto the practice squad roster and jordan mathews gets cut and i think richard james also is unfortunately on on the outside looking in despite the fact that he's kind of a team favorite continuing the wide receiver talk kelly from twitter says that we wanna discuss getting complimentary players who bring <unk> something to the table that other skill players do not he likes born but it sounds like he's a strong bubble with the shanahan's reason praise but what does he bring the deebo dante pettis hatice. Don't have nothing you're not. You're not on that country born. You haven't been for for a long time. I mean. I don't think that he's like i don't think he's terrible or something but i think this idea that he is good because he led the team in receiving yards as a receiver with like like five hundred yards like fuck outta here that doesn't yeah that's the one i will say that i'm not a again context matters right. Yes the fact that he led the team with five hundred yards. Okay you're thinking two things. Two things should jump out at you right one man. He led the team to with five hundred yards that should give rate right and so and then you think to yourself okay but maybe he led the team because they were like a strong running back screen team. George goodell has a bunch of yards. No no there was a lack of wide receiver talent on the team last year dante pettis insert every they will hurt everywhere. That was the year for a player to break through and he still could not do it. I mean i mean you can't even use quarterback like the born stands are also the same guy like nick mullins baby like let's go yeah so it's one of those things where i don't again. I don't think that he's a bad player. I think that he can be equality depth player and provide some quality snaps or a team but i don't think that he is going to magically become a number one receiver just because he's is getting a lot of praise from the team because when it came down to it he was still making some mental mistakes last year even though he's been in the system for quite a while and he couldn't break through on a team that was literally struggling for wide receiver talent again. Don't think he's still think he makes the team this year i really do but but i don't think that that he is so wild of talent that you're like man. He brings something special at the table right. His value isn't in that he brings something different is that he his value is that he is a poor poor man's version of the guys that are higher on the depth chart and so if you were to suffer injury he's a guy that can step in and do similar alert types of things albeit. It'll just a lower level and it sucks because that's going to where the the takeaway for a lot of people from this is going to be like oh. We hate kendrick born in like. Maybe you wakened porn but they don't even start that you're born. It's like vance mcdonald zane beatles jordan debbie kendrick born list you you draw the name on the list and red lipstick. It's going to be great i don't have i don't have that much energy for players. That just aren't very good but but i think it's it's not everyone in the n._f._l. Has to be binary good or terrible and i think that kendrick born is neither of those two things he's right. In the middle he can provide quality snaps. <hes> and i think that he can do so a little bit bigger than ritchie. James is really all comes down jeff so offensive line questions jay patel from twitter. Actually you asked this question weeks ago before he knew we even had a mailbag episode. Just in case we had a mailbag upset coming up this straight some entirely repairs yeah but jay-paul asks what's the main skills difference required in run blocking and pass blocking and why do so many offensive lineman seem to only have one ability or the other. How difficult is it to develop that skill for the opposite ability and how is our lack of good pass blocking going to impact jimmy garoppolo. Six questions rolled into one. Yes a lot a really good question now so i think starting with the first one is far as is skill set goes. I think well from from run blocking perspective. We'll stick obviously obviously with what the forty niners are doing. Run blocking skill sets going to depend heavily on the types of trump lays the run scheme. That's that's more similar to what we aw with harbhajan roman when they were here where it's more power gap scheme based system that prefers guys who are bigger stronger anger can can really move people at the point of attack right. It's that's sort of strength and being able to create movement is really big whereas you look at in <hes> <hes> zone schemes especially a wide zone scheme like what the foreigners are doing now. I think movement skills are far more important right. You have to be athletic enough and agile enough to be able to you get out on the move and reach. Some of these difficult blocks that you're getting to whether that's just a defensive lineman. That's a tough shade where you gotta make make up a lot of ground to be able to get on the right side of him or whether that's getting up to a linebacker at the second level on space and being able to adjust to a guy who is far more athletic than you are are and still be able to get a piece of them and get your block on them so i think that type of thing is is different between the run schemes. I think pass protection is a lot more. I mean there's obviously going to be similarities in crossover to all of them. I think pass protection. You hands are very important. Enhances is really important. Their balance mm is is very important from as a pass protector. You know what a lot of defenders wanna do is. They're looking to get you off balance whether that's leaning too far forward leaning much to one inside too much to one side or the other so i think but similar to zone blocking in a way of like you need to be comfortable a little bit in space with guys that are more athletic than you is far as why guys only have one or the other that they have less firm an answer on i don't know i don't know that this is me. You just thinking about this out. Loud right i i don't. I don't have a firm answer on whether i first of all don't know that that's necessarily true like. I think that you may be have players that are good at one one thing or the other but you know i think i'd want to quantify what being good at one of the other is and if that is true. Let's just go with the premise of the question for a second. I think may have something to do with the fact that it's reacting versus acting when you run blocking. You are moving forward. You're trying to get to a spot your making initiating contact right away whereas when you're you're in a pass it you were literally backing up and waiting to react to what that defensive linemen is doing remembering that a defensive lineman is a better athlete generally early speaking then you as an offensive lineman especially if you're in that power run scheme where you're prising size and power and strength oftentimes oftentimes that comes at the expense of speed agility flexibility imbalanced which when you're staring down the barrel of the von miller gun. You're probably going to need a little bit of and so. I think that's probably where you you get. Some of that. Disparity is if you're built for power scheme if you're mike you potty and all of a sudden odin you're facing aaron donald yeah you might not always stack up correctly <hes> where it might be a bit more difficult to to do that or rather. It might be easier to do that if you're built for a wide scheme and all of a sudden. You're a bit more agile. You're a bit more flexible. You're more like joe staley and you can tackle that so maybe that's one of the hidden advantages of having having that wide zone scheme that cal shanahan likes to likes to employ but yes. I don't know that it's necessarily true that there is a big delta but if there is i think it's probably action versus reaction action and i think that the last one you know kind of how is lack of good pass blocking getting impact garoppolo. I don't think fitness or they're going to have bad pass is balking honest because of jimmy garoppolo and not even that i think you look at just what they did last year in and even if the the five five guys that they have it started most the game last year can just do the same be on the field for those games this season in play roughly the same levels last year like they were fine nine pass protection off of line play kind of in general is it's important not to be terrible it really anyone spot especially. If you're really really bad at multiple spots like that's problem it's more about just hitting competency in being like solid across the board and and rather than have you don't need to have all pros at every position on the offensive line raven any one position to be honest. It's more important at better players at tackle michael. Thank you look at it before android. That's where their best offensive lineman are at tackle. I think it's reasonable to expect mcglinchey to be improved in his second year and joe staley still bill ben very good and pass protection and then from a guard standpoint. They were fine again. They were definitely above that level of competency that you'd like to see. I think the one one question mark is with center in kind of weather rich berg or assuming he can get back on field whoever they end up with a center like what happens. They're like that's the potential. I think weak link but overall i think they will be fine and garoppolo will be in a better spot assuming the health of all those guys this this season than he was at during his five games at the end of twenty seventeen so this is actually a good question from old gus chickens right. Is there cause for concern at center because of course rich berg is still l. injured. He's coming back from his knee injury that he had last year and people are beginning to wonder is not going to get reps what's going to happen. Is there cause for concern. I don't think the concern is about the injury. I think the concern is whether or not rich burke is good because that to me is still up in the air and you know you have a couple blah good years in new york where he was fully healthy and he played at a high level but that was only one or two seasons where he played exceptionally high level then he dipped off quite a bit signed line that free agent deal with the forty niners and he didn't have a super strong year last year. He had some good games. He had some really bad games and that may have been due to injury. They say yeah another another season with reports of like injury hampering his exactly yeah so maybe it is all kind of wrapped into one right. Maybe maybe i would say that. I'm concerned about whether or not he is the right the right player but i think that ultimately even if he performs at the same level that he did last year which was not very good wh- injury related or otherwise he still has the pieces around him to have a relatively competent offensive line and i do think that having jimmy garoppolo back and having a better quarterback back is going to make the offensive line appear but better because when you get the ball out in rhythm when you get it out on time and you get it out fast it makes it your offensive line line appear better and call shanahan scheme honestly is like tailor-made to get quarterbacks time with all the priesthood motion with all the play action stop and with the run game i to your point and i think the offensive line just needs to be competent. They don't need to be like all pros across the line yeah yeah exactly and i think they even at center like honestly like yeah you would like it to have obviously a a decent player at every position but i think if they're comfortable with whoever's there and especially like let's assume rich berg for now because it it does get a bit more dicey once he moved beyond that but if you -ssume that he's out there instill just isn't very good. I think from an onfield results colts standpoint like that probably has the biggest impact on the run game. The centers blocks in the scheme are far more important there than the impact that he could potentially has passed protector <hes> <hes> it's just easier to hide a center well you get home and get help from dr wright and there's almost never a snap in which he's not working working with someone else i shouldn't say never but it is just a small percentage of his overall pass blocking snap so yeah i mean well. There's likely still be some snaps in there. If you have a bad center where like aaron donald's abusing that dude and getting pressure like sure aaron donald going to use every he's gonna abuse. Everyone yeah exactly all right so that wraps up the mailbox questions now. We're going to get to the two minute. Drill some quick fire questions where we are lofting questions at one another. These are still your questions. We just don't have time for james aims so let's go to a drill david. Who's just bride's cut <hes>. This one's always tough because i don't know that their roster is the latest two minute drive david. You're getting to the line and you give me a word. I'm on. I'm feeling uncomfortable okay. I got plenty of time. We got time. There's no time to point john come. I'm on give it to me. I don't know man. I goodwin markey's get one mind c._j. Beathard does that price though that's where i'm at see i think it's a surprised because he was a third round pick and because he was handpicked by shane okay. I liked that one better yeah all right. So who is your surprise player to make fifty three man roster dammit. Who's your player. You go first. Gimme gimme here my surprise player to make the fifty three man roster. I swear to god if it's dante johnson or greg. I'm gonna like i'm going to vomit. My surprise. Player is probably going to be mark. He's gonna wind just kidding. No i it's gonna be it's gonna be tim harris. If anyone is a surprise at this point. It's going to be someone in the cornerback role that is going to unseat dante johnson and greg maiden. I think drew greenlaw at this point probably wouldn't be a surprise so i think it's probably going to be someone like tim. Here's sure sure let's go with that yeah. That's i literally. I mean nobody none of these other guys. I feel like i think mostly other positions are relatively sat. There's not a lot of guys that are down there as undrafted guys that i think are big threats to come up and still spots tim here richard james. It'd be the other one over over the similar kendrick born or something like that but he's even a guy. That's like ben on the roster so yes. Yes they like that. That's a surprise agree all right. How many quarterbacks would you take over jimmy garoppolo and fantasy probably it's like in the teens like probably early thirteen fourteen fifteen. The thing is that with fantasy is about volume right and so i think the concern there is less as he going to be good is as much she's like. Is he going to get just the straight number of dropbox in passing attempts to like jump over those other guys even if he's doing more with those like i think that's kind of question i think when i was looking at our projections for attempts he was like twenty first or something like that in passing attempts projected for the season so that would be the concern concern but i think yeah i i. I'm starting to consider him. I think once you get into the teens like he's on the board for sure yeah i would say he's probably like not quitting the team but in not twelve area like he's like the twelve. He's definitely a q._b. To he's not going to be the first quarterback i'm taking off the board but i would take lamar jackson at this point over jimmy garoppolo. Oh yeah yeah right and this is all assuming like standard scoring yeah and again. It's fantasy football fantasy football where josh allen number one. Actually my heart is where jim threat okay so what's going to be the biggest surprise for forty niners fans this season. What is with these surprise questions sion's. I just want to surprise you in the two minute. Drill does not them not a two minute. Drum gonna make the next one. I'm going to make the next one all punch running back questions. If you don't use up and just give me your eyes out surprise face dammit biggest surprise with the forty niners this season their offense is going to be really really good like top-five oftens yeah and i think for me for most fans is when they are like on the cusp of like an eight eight season at the end of the year. Yeah and everyone's going to be disappointed. Yeah i mean overall right. I think they can still be i. I still have concerns like defensively but i i think off when you look at this offense with a healthy garoppolo in there and i think he's in a much better position for this season than he was those five games when he first got traded and i just think and they were so basically when you look at their efficiency there explosiveness during that stretch <hes> it would have been the third if they maintain that over a full season it would have been the third best offense in football last year behind only the chiefs and saints so i think think already adding him and shanahan there. They were producing at such a high level during that stretch that they get a full season. I think like yeah them being top. Five caliber offense is very much in the cards and i don't think a lot of people even really optimistic people considering the number of nick molin stands that we've got out out there are really expecting that level of performance and that's why i think something like eight needs season is still going to be incredibly surprising because i think that defense still has so many questions that they could still end up at eight and eight top offense and i think that's going to surprise. Lots of folks are right. You have to buy one jersey not named gore or willis. Go historical like any sure have at it but it has to be a player of the forty niners drafted now. Okay i mean probably is all right so let's call the current nike jerseys. Let's go jimmy garoppolo. I'm i'm just going to go get a customary jersey. Do it down brand bro in drafting a <hes>. That's all the loophole though loophole did it. I did it because of all these fucking surprise question. That's what i deserted surprise as well. It's okay yeah <hes> like justin. Timberlake goes around comes back. Then will wish now ski have broken andy lee's n._f._l. Season record for most punts pinned end inside the twenty may remind i don't care david mayor remind you angrily had forty. Two punts pinned inside nice the twenty in two thousand seven. I i didn't even remind you failed. Offense possessions now going to break the record. Are you gonna make a wish. I hope i don't watch a single punt this year. That's my goal. That won't happen. That's that's a lie so i'm gonna. I'm gonna keep adding the punter questions at this point. If you keep dodging it just still say no. No i'll say now if you wish a lot more in two thousand seven oh god god. That was the ken dorsey year good lord. That was the year if i remember correctly. They had their first shutout. Mike twenty some odd years in seattle because ken dorsey was terrible the football so if wish now sqi was able to guaranteed like one to five turnovers a year on punts by wish now skis odd spin on the ball. Would that justify wish now. He's draft position. Nothing would justify draft position. I want to say here. This is surprise i'm trying to it's a fitting end to the podcast. This shouldn't be a surprise when i ask you all surprise questions. It's oh man. You know what i'm here for the so i'm here for asking you all of running back and punter related questions that gets thrown at me. I know they make your day. I know they make you happy and you get to go and continue to watch violent in a happy state of mind yeah which by the way a winner episode are you on at this point. We're caught up. We're up what caught up what episode numbers caught up. I don't remember like in the twenty s or something for this currencies the way that they do it though <hes> for for the u._k. Version of the show in the u._s. as they get released in batches so you get every yeah every saturday like the previous five episodes. I think it has as a reminder even like two weeks delayed or some shit but yeah whatever it's like. A batch of five episodes gets gets released so we have already watched the five episodes that were released. Is this past saturday as many as i think we're a little behind because we were on like episode twenty two hundred we just finished the casa more stuff. Which was it only gets better when we were coming in here. They hadn't like all come together yup exactly so if you don't know what we're talking about and you have hulu hulu. There's a show called love island the u._k. Version don't get full of this american bullshit. Yeah it sucks <hes> go to the u._k. Version and start with season three because that's season was legit yet but it's an investment. It's fifty episodes because they play it every night in england or the u._k. Five nights a week and then they do it again the next week and so yeah we want we watch season three and now he's five but do it trust me. It's a hell of a time suck but man. It's it's a lot of fun. You don't have to think a whole lot now you should. It's a multitasking multitasking show. I don't know but if you're not good with accents use the subtitles does it for this edition of the podcast. You can always follow me on on twitter at better rivals david working. They follow you that'll be at p._f. Underscored dave oh man that means next week. We're coming back. We're going to break down the preseason game on saturday. It's going to be the first <music> game of real. I mean real say in spain. Just get in in the air quotes as i would say <hes> but we're going to go back to our regular. We're kind of <hes>. I don't know if we'd be keeper cut but we'll definitely be player specific and we'll definitely dive into without players so that's when we come back next week. 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Better Rivals Ep. 282: Mailbag Time!

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Better Rivals Ep. 282: Mailbag Time!

"Can. Welcome in this week's edition of the Niners nation dot com. Better rivals podcast. My name is Oscar, yo and this week, it is a mail bag episode. We've got hazy as locked loaded and ready to melt away, all of your plot armor. And with me this week allowed out of his dark room for just two hours before he has to go back into his shell David Newman. Hello, well gone. It's going. Well, we've got two different versions of hazy. You've got one from two shoots. I've got Sierra, Nevada. I feel like that one. I feel like I got better end of that deal. But did. But you know what I'm going to allow it because it's free. Yeah. Hey, you know what? Free beer is the best beer. Unless someone tries to ICU or give you Zima in which case leave. So let's start with the rundown. We've got a couple of news stories off the top, I think this is going to be a very, very impactful signing if only because he immediately. Also the top of the all name team, the forty nine or sign Levin, Toilolo tight end too. To the to the team. And that's really I can say about that. I think it's Levin. Thanks for your missing either now. There's definitely an either. No, it's Levin, Adam LeVine lead singer of maroon five he's no lead singer. I'm hoping that he comes with the chest and belly tattoos, as well. Oh man. He's got some Inc. I mean, I have no idea. Oh, oh, she's the most interesting thing live talking about the Cipolla bag on Adam Levine's chest. Yes, yes, I am. Yeah. So the heat now is the team's fifth Stanford player pop quiz, hotshot, who has the second mot which college university has the second most players on the forty Niners behind Stanford. Yes. I, I've no idea dig one. Guess an SEC team? No. That would be a good. Guess iowa. Oh, they've got more players. All right. That makes name them. I don't think I can name them either to. Yeah. I mean, I think everybody can get to, and it's, it's the three three in the four that are really complicated. But Toilolo did spend two years Shanahan in Atlanta, including that Super Bowl year in two thousand sixteen. And I mean, really I think all you can say about Toilolo is that he's probably going to replace our favorite wait. Isn't that a Harry Potter character Roswell? Maybe if he's lucky I'm not going to hand him. You got to come in here and earn that job. All right. No one comes in and beats dwelling. Yeah. You just don't replace dwell at his own Harry monitoring. Honestly, I think this is going to be one of those signings where he's another big dude that isn't really a contested. Catch guy doesn't have a ton of red zone TD's, but he was a marginal deep threat when he played with Shane handing average like twenty yards or whatever that year. A reception. But he only had like twenty receptions for two hundred and someone yards. I don't know that he's much of any, he's a guy like beyond that I don't know. Yeah. I, I mean, he's never really been much of anything just besides like a depth. Roll tight end. I think yeah, there's maybe. Some more receiving ability. They're a little bit than like he's not a stellar blocker or anything, you know. So I don't know. I think it's mostly just they need some tight end depth and competition can't bodies in. He obviously knows the system having spent time with shannahan in Atlanta, and I think I like nothing more to it than that. Exactly, as a reliable guy that's going to be near the bottom of the roster. I think, hey, why the hell not I think tied into is more than likely going to be our draftsman Stanford. I think that's going to be that's going to be fine. But the other story in the rundown this week. Peter King ranked the forty Niners. Seventh in his preseason. Power rankings. Seventh top ten the forty Niners, according to Peter King, one of the preeminent football writers in America, literally, the name of his column is ranking the Niners in the top ten, how do you feel about that David? I mean, I think it's a it's, it's tough to go there quite that soon. I can see why though I mean, I think what it comes down to you. Right. Is that if you believe Jimmy Garoppolo is a very good quarterback. It's not that far fetched because the most important thing to being a top team is having a top quarterback. And so if you are a believer that he is that guy in it is that caliber of quarterback then sure, yeah. I mean the rest of the stuff I think there's obviously a ton of holes in question marks and things that we still need to figure out about this team kind of up and down the roster. But the reality is, if he's very good than a lot of those things won't matter, as much the other thing that he added in his in his column was that, if the defense kind of comes to form and they do get better because of the pass rush. Or if the secondary takes us at forward, then he can really see the whole team moving forward. And I mean, if, if those two things I think one of those two things one is more likely to happen than the other. And so, but I do think if that defense takes a step forward and Jimmy Garoppolo ends up playing top ten it's I don't know the manager necessarily top ten but they're certainly in the mix the end of the year if you can get average play from your defense. I don't think that's that crazy with having a head coach like. Kyle Shanahan where you know the offense is going to be good. And then having that significant of an upgrade going to Jimmy from guys like third and Mullins. Yeah. I think it's very plausible that they have one of the best offenses and football just from having those to be a part of your offense. So, yeah, I think defense is largely a little more volatile from year to year. So you know you do see teams that you're either very good. Don't stay necessarily very good. The next season teams that were very, very bad usually get a little bit better in the subsequent seasons. So I think, yeah, I can see it. I'm not ready to go there just yet. But I mean how you layin there. But, but what I do like is I do like how much there is a lack of hype around the Niners this preseason because last year. Of course, Jimmy Garoppolo is like on the cover of Sports Illustrated or something and the Niners where the trendy hot pick. And I think that those expectations all of a sudden, make the year feel I mean the year was crappy because Jimmy Garoppolo goes down. But I do think that not having the weight of being the preseason. Darling and having those expectations can work in the team's favor. And so I'm ready to just kind of fly under the radar until we may start weighing games. And then if we don't well today your expectations weren't lifted. I just wanna just wanna watch some good quarterback play for once. I know we had we had, we had a glimmer of it just a glimmer. Well, let's get to the mail Bank, because we are cracking open the mail bag and taking your questions. We had a threat opened on Niners nation. We also had some Twitter questions. You were hitting us with questions, the left and right. So we're going to jump right in right out the top. Ralph Ralph for some difficult to say just like the Rogers the lead question here. Are you in the best shape of your life? You know, I don't want to say that I've peaked this early. You know, we're really we've been building from the moment that last season ended. I've just really been motivated by not finishing at the top. And so, you know, from the moment last season, ended, I've been on my game, working hard, and I feel like I'm gonna peak, I haven't hit my best yet. I'm gonna peak right before the season you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna ride that peleton you have right into the top shape. Status, right. Into. It. I'm really curious the position of your peleton. Is it in your sunroom? Is it on your fancy deck is near celerion? I mean, I have none of those things in my house. So does make it difficult to find that optimal spot? But yeah, it's hard. It's a hard knock life. But you'll live am I in the best shape of my life. Absolutely not. I'd probably say, I'm in, like the lower third of my life, all things considered. But you know what I lived through it. I'm just I'm on the struggle buses all no big deal. Let's get to some forty Niners related questions though, pass defense that we had lots of variations of very, very similar question. And really, I think what people wanted to get out was, how does the secondary shakeout who's gonna start who's gonna play nickel who's maybe moves inside of Nikola Brett pans out? And how do you think ultimately that that unit is going to play out? So David, why don't we start with who you think the starters will end up being on opening day? So I think first off, we're going to call starters, five defensive backs. Yes, that is the NFL how we're going to roll with that. It's I think, yeah, I mean, there's, there's a lot of guys that are that are right there. I think ultimately, you know, Sherman, obviously is going to be one of the outside Cornerbacks. I think you're looking at either a Keller Witherspoon Jason Brett as the other outside guy. And then I think you're looking at likely Kwan Williams as your slot cornerback, though. I think you're gonna see DJ read, and then possibly even Jimmy ward. I kind of hope that they end up really having him focus on free safety and see how that goes, but could see him being in that mix. But I think one Williams right now with an indie J reader are really the top two guys in one of them, we're likely going to be starting slot. I did see several people ask basically does direct kick inside. Right. Is is it something like where, you know, variet- and Witherspoon or your guys in base downs? And then whether Witherspoon comes in and direct kicks inside. He's not a slot corner. He's going to be on the outside. He's on the outside. So I don't really foresee that hap-. Winning. But I think those are your Cornerbacks, I would lean probably I dunno Witherspoon Brett is tough. I think variety is clearly better player. I've are more likely to be a better player, I think but his health is obviously a huge concern. So I think it's just. Tough to know who to pick their until we get a little bit more information. Safety wise. Yeah. What are you thinking there? Well safety, I do think that Jimmy ward ends up being the starting free safety. I think for whatever reason the team seems to love them. And I hope that with one year at dedicated play at that position that ends up paying off, for him in terms of being able to just stick in that in that role going back to corner though, I think, not just starter the five that are on the field opening snap. I think maybe who ends up with the most snaps at that position over the course of the year, and I could see a world where the honestly they'll likely outcome of the world is one in which Jason read is the opening day starter at outside corner. But by the time we get to week five, it's a killer Witherspoon because Jason verbs injured and then a Keller Witherspoon ends up with closer to six seven hundred snaps over the course of the year and ends up with two or three hundred or something like that. And so over the course of the year, it's Witherspoon, even if the opening day starters at safety, I do think Jimmy wardens winning I think Do Quoc tart ends up being the in the box safety and Marcel Harris becomes as primary backup and then you've got Colbert, who. Primary backup at free safety. And I think I wouldn't surprise me though, to see Colbert win out over ward, only because I think the team might all things being equal if they're dead even have Colbert ended up being the starting free safety, and basically revert to the same plan the same in my opinion. Not great plan. They had last year which was to have Jimmy award be the primary backup at every single spot. Right. Yeah. I think that would make a ton of sense or at least it would make a ton of sense for them to land there. I don't like you said, I don't know that that's the best use of ward. And I think it would be nice. Let him try to stick a position but yeah, I think the I think the only set in stone spots in the secondary right now, assuming health, of course, are Richard Sherman on the outside to quality. It is your, your box safety. Yup. Beyond that. I'm not really ready to make a ton of any other addictions that I feel super confident. And so one of the other questions that we have been getting a lot. This off season is around the ski. Team or the type of players but type of plays really that you'll see from the forty Niners secondary with new defensive backs coach Joe woods. And so we got a question from Caleb about whether or not, we're going to see the cover three type scheme this year, or whether we're going to see more of Tampa to mix. And then, of course, maybe I'd extend this question to you man demand versus zone. We know that Robert Sala is more heavily zone guy, but he played about twenty five thirty percent zone last sorry twenty five to thirty percent men coverage last year. Do you think that the, the scheme or the tendencies of the team is going to change very much this this off season? I would be surprised if we started seeing things like more cover to or anything like that. I mean, the system is still the system. They're still going to be largely in single high looks, and I don't, as long as Robert solid. They're like, I don't foresee that changing at all. And so I think you're still looking at predominantly covered three when you're in zone and then cover one man. I think the hope is that we see a little bit more man to demand. It's the man thing is, is, I think tough because on one hand if the corners are really that bad, you don't want to put them in situations. Let's expose them on the other hand, I think you've got to try it out. I mean last year zone was such a problem for them. They just had so many bus coverages in zone and had so many wide receivers running free down the field. And so, I think there is an argument that with, at least some of the corners, like, actually, maybe all of the non Richard Sherman corners, that there may be better man-to-man corners in the zone corner. So I think that's something worth it because the lowering lettuce, ISM is one of the reasons why they probably end up being better in man to man. And then we're games last year that we broke down where they leaned into man-to-man, especially early or coming out of halftime and the Niners performed well and they did. So what was interesting? I thought was they did so more when they were going up against wide receiver wide receiving corps that was that we're not. Well, that didn't that weren't great. So you think of the game against Green Bay. And when we face Green Bay, it was they were not going up against number one wide receivers at that point, I think they were going up against Marquez vol, this Gatling. And you gotta think that Roberts, all is looking at that depth chart and thinking. Yeah, I think my guys might be able to take that. And so you play a little bit more man. And it ended up succeeding until of course, you have that the boggle there at the end because Greg mavens in, because of a Kella Witherspoon coming out. So I do hope that is the case because at minimum it puts the defensive backs closer to the wide receiver which puts them in a position to make a play, which is not always a place. The Niners found themselves in in the secondary. Exactly. I've, I think one of the benefits of planes zone, is that typically you limit big plays a little bit more. So like the advantage of man to man. Right. Is that? Like you said, you typically have your Cornerbacks in closer position to the receivers which gives them a greater chance of making a play on the ball. And also makes throws a little bit more difficult for the quarterback. And so you. Largely see lower completion percentages, all that kind of stuff against me into man coverage. But you see, generally more big plays because when something goes wrong and man, there's nobody to cover up for you generally. Right. Like maybe you have to one free safety back there. But odds of him being in position to be able to cover up for you aren't always great. And so if one guy fails and man to man and they exploit that you're looking at a very big play possibly a touchdown. So that's kinda the risk reward. You play zone is a little bit more safe. You, you're giving up some of that underneath stuff giving them higher completion percentages. But the hope is you have kind of that lid on the defense. Right. On the on the top of everything. The ovens trying to do you force them to throw underneath come up. Mc tackles the problem for manor is they played a lot of zone. They still gave up a lot of big plays. And so it just wasn't a great combination for them. Defensively last year. So thank yeah. You're, you're hoping that no matter what they do. The basic thing is that they can at least get on the same page from a communication standpoint have fewer bus on the back end. Have fewer big plays that you're giving up? But yeah, I think ultimately, it's worth trying a little bit more madman coverage. See if some of your corners are just better in that type role. And I do think that the addition of Joe woods and the departure of a half Li Jeff half Li the, the former defensive backs coach, I do think that will be addition by subtraction. I one thing that bears is interview that he had on the show, a couple of months ago, really reinforced for me that kind of forgotten was just the importance of position coaches and how important they are to put the coaching of the individual players and how those players perform on the field, and I've got to think that the person who's in charge of making sure that the team knows what the coverage is. It doesn't screw up the communication, a lot of that really isn't on Robert Sala Robert solitaire, to design the plays to call the plays and it really moved the chess pieces around. But ultimately communicating that teaching to those individual players the coach that spends the most time with those defenders is the position coach. And so I've got think Joe woods is going to be a bit of an upgraded. I think we'll see some. Improve communication even if the players stay exactly largely the same. But let's get to another question about the other the forgotten defensive position group in your mind. Dave and linebackers Hans Komarom says I get linebackers had become less and less valued. How does it get along with a short and intermediate inside passing game, getting more and more important? Well, I think off the top linebackers have to be able to cover because the intermediate areas are now fodder for quarterbacks like braided succeed. I think a lot of the value conversation with linebackers comes down to a couple of things. Really one is that the NFL has shown that they don't value linebackers as much. So the part of the issue with quantum Alexander Wright is you're giving him a premium contract at a position where not a lot of guys get premium contracts, essentially. So, you know, you, you do have some linebackers that are very much worth it. And it's because of what they bring from a coverage standpoint, guys like Bobby Wagner, guys like Leuke cly guys like Dion. Zones that have this tremendous impact in the passing game. Those guys were the linebackers that are valuable, you know, this was the reason that we were on board with potentially taking roquan Smith, right? Because the potential for him to be one of those game changing cover linebackers was there and be and just like you mentioned the question teams are taking advantage of the middle of the field. More in having guys that can cover in the inside of the field. Not just your outside corners, is more and more important today's game. But you also again, it comes back to with the value thing, not wanting to outbid yourself. You don't wanna go toss premium dollars at this position in less. You have a guy that's absolutely worth it. You have one of those top and players. And so, I think that's kind of the rub right? You don't wanna be using really important resources that you could be using to help more important areas. If that guy isn't truly one of those top guys, I think the reason that the intermediate and short area of the field has been. A place for quarterbacks. Target is very much precisely because linebackers are there. And so, I think what's then the natural reaction to that. Well, it's to find a coverage defender that can be in that area and still provide run support, but then also be a solid coverage defender in that area. So you look like you look at someone like Derwin James, and he's someone who you're not going to let him out at corner. He's not. He's not, although he probably could plans, corner decently, well enough, but he is really an emiddle coverage defender in the truest sense of the term that is I think where teams should start to throw really like what are they should really start to apply resources? This is where I think Jakubowski tart can be a valuable piece for the forty Niners. If Marcel Harris, you know, actually plays. Well, that's the kind of player, you would hope he would become. And so, I really think that how does how does the whole line like the reduction of the importance of the linebacker square with the increase in passing of the middle, it's going to be in the shifting of what a linebacker actually looks like and feels like and. The days of the two hundred and sixty pound linebacker are gonna be an are almost all the way gone, you're not looking at two hundred and thirty pound linebackers not being like oh, he's not that terribly small like as long as you can run sideline to sideline. You're probably fine. So I think the position shifts because what we asked the position to do is shifting because of the inefficiency that good offenses are taking advantage of right? I think that's, that's one of the other parts for sure. Is that there are fewer linebackers on the field? You're gone from days of having three possibly four linebackers on the field depending on what your base defense was to now. Only having two on most down. Sometimes even one, right? So you just have fewer of those players, which decreases the value because you don't need as many of them on your roster. But yeah, I think you need to be able to one recognize that. Yes. This having defenders in the middle of the field. No matter where they're coming from whether you want to call them, a linebacker safety is important, but you also need to recognize where the rest of the NFL is at so it's. I would say, like write a good thing. If the forty Niners decided that, like, hey, we want to start drafting and signing a lot of these players that, that are really good cover players in the middle of the field. That's great. You don't wanna go and start giving them outside corner, money or something like that, right? Brian, nobody else's willing to do that. That's that takes away your advantage. Right. Because you you've seen that this is a position where we can get some value. But a lot of the value comes from because you get that at a lower cost. And so you want to still maintain that lower cost and not go out and overspend. Because then you lose your value that you could be getting because you're not able to spend spend those resources that the positions that the NFL does pay a lot of money to. Yeah. You think of like it's like a fixer upper and a really good neighborhood. Right. That's the market inefficiency. It's a crappy house. You're going to have to fix which is why you're getting it under. What a fully like furnish built out house would be. You don't want to go to that fixer upper and say, like, I'm gonna give it two hundred K over asking that doesn't make any sense. Why are you bidding? Against yourself. Stop doing exactly. So let's get to wide receivers because that was another common area that we got lots of questions about. And I, we've got lots of variant questions that pretty much what the same as corner, really like who who starts here. How who do you think they kind of? Or where do they shake out? So let's start with the same question, who was the who are the opening day starters at the wide receiver position for the forty Niners. So I'm going to start with receiver and say the starter is a worthless term. Unlike corner where, you know, if you have guys that are healthy, you're generally looking if you're playing five DB's, it's largely going to be the same vibe DB's that are out there, right? There's a little bit less. Even some teams will do it less rotation. Overall wide receiver, not the case, especially for for coach like Shanahan. It really boils down more to what is your role? And how often do we think that role will be used? Right. So I think you're looking at them likely I have to guess that they're going to keep at least six wide receivers. I think they almost have to at this point. Yeah, they've just got too many bodies there. I think it would be surprised if they kept any lesson that, so I think the ones that you're automatically looking at being they're going to be Pettus, going to be deebo, I think, Goodwin still going to be fine. After that, it gets a little more dicey. I think you look at guys like Trent Taylor and Richie James, potentially having the same type of role and then didn't. Yeah. So you wonder and even the fact that deebo can play a little bit inside as well as fine. I guess heard is going to be if you're gonna call him a receiver for right now, until he makes whatever transition, he's gonna make he's going to be one as well. So I think what that's four locks that you're likely looking at and then two other guys ago there, I think Pederson deebo or or the guys that are your highest nap count guys that are getting most of the production. I would approach this problem the same way that I would the DVD's, okay. Who's going to end up with the most snaps on the year because I agree. I think that these starter is based on game script. What's your opening formation? That dictate your starter. Right. And sometimes it's one out one receive around the field. Sometimes it's three sometimes. It's two sometimes it's a heavy package. Sometimes it's not it's going to depend on on the player that or on the on the game script. So who ends up with the most snaps? I. Think it's the top three snap gutters for the Niners are going to be deebo Pettus and Goodwin. And I do think Goodwin is going to be relegated a little bit into not quite Taylor Gabriel. Gadget level but he will go back to having a defined role and he will not be one of the primary outside of wide receivers. But I still think that he will be very, very valuable because he has shown to have a rapport with Jimmy Garoppolo. So I think that's going to be your top three and then I think Jalen hurts effectively locked and the team will probably have some packages for him specifically at wide receiver and then the other two I'm probably looking at some combination of you got four guys. Right. So, yeah, you spots, you've got Jordan Mathews, Kendrick born Trent Taylor. Richie james. So you're getting likely to net from that group. Yeah, I think I mean the team has shown an affinity for Kendrick born, but I think one of those spots is going to be taken up by Trent Taylor or Richard James because they offer I think a different type of receiver a short area. Quickness wide receiver. That can again. It's a backup to Bill or vice versa. So you've got some versatility there. And then I think it's curse or born. And if born wasn't able to break through last year with a decimated wide receiver core and despite the fact that he led the team in receiving yards. I'm not calling that a breakout season. He still had like, did he really? Yeah. Other than kettle. Yes. Wide receiver that live team. I mean he had something like four hundred zero did was not a lot, but he if he couldn't break out last year. I'm not super confident that he's going to be able to hold off a veteran who's born veteran, this point too. So I think maybe curse ends up as that kind of big slot maybe outside receiver, Jordan, Mathews, Jordan, Matthew sorry. And, and that's that. Yeah, I, I don't know. I I'm less sold on the last, but I agree that it's most likely going to be one or the other for Taylor James. I think it would be a little surprising this year, if they ended up keeping all if they don't end up keeping seven. Right. I think that's the only scenario they keep seven wide receivers which seems like a pretty long, pretty big long shot that would be the scenario, but if they keep six I don't think they keep both. And yeah, I don't know that there's like a clear front runner for that last. But I also I'll say that I don't think it matters that much. Yeah. I mean at that point if that player at that they're looking at they're looking at special teams and their injury kind of their injuries sport. And so at that point, you look at their versatility and I think Matthews provides a bit more versatility because he can't play slot. And he can't play outside although his best position is in the slot as a big Sean, I think it would be, I think the more interesting thing about which one of those is less like one player is clearly better than the other or something like that. I think which one they keep says two different things about what they might want to incorporate in the offense. Born is very much a backup to guys like Pettus and deebo on the outside. Right. Math. Us would represent this player that they don't really have is that big slot type of guy and they haven't really had before. So I he him, I think that would be an indication that they're looking to incorporate a different type of slop player that they've never had. I would disagree a little bit. I think that I think they probably want to incorporate a bigger slot. And I think that deebo and heard, and Jordan Mathews can all play that bigger slot role, although deebo plays it in a very, very different way. But I think hurt him. He played most of his snaps out of the slot. Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't call deebo a big slot. Yeah. He's a very different player than somebody like Matthews. They're not exactly when similar, so it does feel like the Niners are trying to get bigger at the slot position. And I think if you look at depot, I as an outside wide receiver, but cou can also play slot didn't the two players that you identify as that. Big slot are really hurting Matthews and that's probably why end up leaning Matthews a bit because I think the team is trying to get a little big there. And then they also have their smaller shifty slot guys. Well, so I. I think that's probably where it ends up because Goodwin can back up on the outside as well. And that seems to me like a wide receiving corps that is both complementary, but is also versatile enough that it can withstand injuries, if they do go that route. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's fair. Yeah, we've got just one more question in this section. But before we get there a brief word from our sponsors. The on say, Arianna Guerande and Drake are talked about ad nauseam as celebrities. But there's one thing that's rarely discussed their music on switched on pop. We go deep into the sounds of pop music to explain what it means. How it's made and why it's so effective. We talked with some of today's greatest artists producers journalists to decode the musical logic behind our modern soundtrack and understand its role in our culture switched on pop. Won't reveal for you. 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I do not think that he has that ability, I think that he is someone who potentially offers some versatility that can can allow him to be a useful player in certain packages. I don't think that usefulness turns into an overwhelming amount of production eating point. Yeah. I think I would really interrogate the notion of what you mean by number one receiver, right? Top producer would be one. I you could also define it as a wide receiver who dictates coverages or who teams. They have the double team or who they game plan for there's lots of ways to do that. I don't know that like if it's can he be Julio Jones? No, that's the answer. I think that can. But I also don't think that he's just like a gadget I think you probably will be used in some gadget type stuff. But those aren't the only two outcomes for Jalen hurts career there's a lot in the middle there that I think can still be very fruitful and still be very good for this team that isn't just are you, Calvin Johnson redux? Or are you a larger Taylor Gabriel? And so I would say very much TVD. We talked a lot about Jalen Hurd, but I think he's got some stuff to work on, but he's got some promise and if he's able to turn that promise into something then good for him. But at least right now, we're slotting him in as like the fourth or fifth wide receiver on this team at best. All right. So let's get to general twenty nine thousand offseason questions friend of the pod, David Campbell. He's probably one of the better questions that we've got because I think it allows us to focus on some of the good stuff. He says it's natural for us to critique all the front office decisions. Let's focus on the positive what move acquisition decision are each of you. Most happy with this offseason, David, from one day to another go. Man. I guess I've I don't know. I feel like this is kind of a cop out in some way. But I think by far the best move is you said getting Jimmy Garoppolo back. I'm gonna kick you on the dick. Oh, no. That would have been a good one. Now I'm sad. I didn't think of that. I would say, honestly, Nick Bosa at number two like I it seems very obvious. So I think from the, the reason I land there, right from a free agent standpoint. I don't know that there's a ton that I loved there. I think there's, there's some good stuff. I think Jason Barrett right? Is probably my favorite signing from value. Upside potential impact standpoint, but I don't think that by any means I'm ready to say that, like that's the best thing that they've done this off season. I just think there's too many question marks with his health there to, to really Bank on that. But I think even with the draft even though I would have maybe preferred they traded down or done a little bit more from coverage standpoint staying at to taking the best player in the draft best non quarterback in the draft at a position that is a value in that was something that they needed tremendously. I think is by far the biggest like homerun decision that they made this offseason. And it wasn't a tough. decision but it was one. Yeah, I have a different decision because I agree. I love the decision and I love it. I get to watch him play football because that's going to be a lot of fun for, for as much for football as as we watch. I think for me it's going to be Jason Barrett because of the value that he provides for the team. And my, my sincerest hope is that he ends up recovering and having a fantastic year because what that will do is. I think it will incent the team to take fliers on players out of position like corner where they should in that value area because if Rhett works out, and we end up getting a compact from, if he leaves, or if we signed him long-term, if he stays. I hope that, that's the team, I hope was thinking, the right way about it by saying, like let's go ahead and take this flyer on this upside player, that's showing that he can produce it a really, really high level, but just needs to overcome some injuries, and that they do that more often with players that are veterans that have shown that they can produce a really, really high level because. If they can start doing that. That's where they're going to have to turn when they start getting closer to the top of the salary cap, they're gonna start having to make those value picks. And if they get positive reinforcement of about a pick like that, I think it could be good for their overall decision making process. So that's why it's happy. It's a happy meal for me. But because if it works out, I hope it alters, the course of what they are able or willing to do what positions like that. In the future. Yeah, I, I will say that, that one if we're talking like, okay, if we assume that each of these moves were to work out, positively, which one has the largest impact. Yeah that's that's the one. Yeah, absolutely. So let's get through some predictions Alexander Bali asked with with the seat with last season obviously, being marred by injuries and the staffing changes as a result. What is an ideal record this year? Let's start there because he's got a couple of other questions. And let's well we'll get to break up players in that. But all right. What do you think? Let's talk about the ideal record this year which my ideal record would be nineteen. Now mean. Sure. Yeah. I know about choice, the idea, I go ahead and start in nineteen. No, the only ask the realistic question of all right? Just knowing what, you know, now, obviously injuries preseason things all that still to come. Where do you think the Niners line in terms of record? So I, I would say that, you know, if Jimmy Garoppolo stays healthy and plays sixteen games, I would have a hard time seeing them finish with a record below five hundred just assuming Kyle Kyle Shanahan Jimmy Garoppolo there for sixteen games. I think that at least gets you eight hundred or five hundred eight if Jimmy Garoppolo plays a full season and the Niners ended up with six wins. What do you think happens? Like literally everyone else got hurt. No all the rest of it team. Let let's say that we're going to get to an injury question here in a minute. But let's say that the or I guess, perhaps, the better question is, what do you think happens to Shanahan and Lynch? I think Shannon's probably find still. I think they do likely look at having like someone has to take the fall, I would be surprised. I mean, it would I don't know if it would be encouraging or not. But. I would be very surprised if everything kind of stayed the same, and they were able to buy another year of, like, you know, we're still building this thing, the right way and all the law that they've been tossing out so brick bro brick by brick. I, I don't know that they consider that it worked the other day. And I know. Oh, yes, I totally did. Absolutely. And the thing is, is no one else that I work with all my team really watches football I work in a software company in the nonprofit sector. They're not like sports heads. And even if they are they don't watch enough forty nine or stuff to know that as the catchphrase, but I totally dropped it colloquially in a meeting, and I was like, yes, we're going to go little by little brick by brick, and then I stopped, and I was like, what? Oh my God. That's incredible. Yeah. It happens. Yeah. I just so. So I think that something some change would have to happen. I think Kyle Shanahan likely makes it through. I think he's the one that's probably realistically in charge here as far as how this thing's going, which should be. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's, that's a very fair point. So I think Lynch would probably be the guy that you know, took the blame essentially for for having. Bad season and Monday night football gets a part of the new crew with what, what they put him in a book and test. That's right. What what we what we call. He doesn't have a cool nickname. You can't really short and has already tiny names. Lynn. No bug. Intestine lynn. No. There is nothing about that. That that rolls off the tongue. Not a single in about that situation is very good. And not at all. All right. Let's get to a question in Cali another friend of the but I think to wrap that up is far as we didn't get to, like realistic record. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think the right place, assuming reasonable health, right? We're not saying everybody's staying healthy. That's not not happening reasonable health. I think you're looking at a nine ten win team. I would maybe lean ten just because I think Jimmy Garoppolo second. Yeah. I think you'd you for me. I think aids the over under right? That's that's where you start I think seven and nine would be a disappointment based on talent offense head coach and quarterback. I don't know. But I do think the range of outcomes is between like eight and ten. I think a lot of things would have to go right for them to get to like eleven wins and at eleven wins, you're talking about a, a lot of things breaking right in the secondary and Jimmy Garoppolo absolutely playing to the level that we think he can play. And that pass rush also being formidable and I think it's the circle of feeding would be the coverage forcing the quarterback to hold the ball. Just a little bit longer, which would allow the patch rush to get there as opposed to the other way round. Yeah. To get to get to, like, over ten wins to like, say win the NFC west and be a potential contender in the NFC. I think you're, you're looking at that defense just everything needing to break. Right. And they go from essentially the worst defense in football to like a fringe top ten unit and that would be that they would need to make in order to I think, get there. I think Jimmy and then very good. Offense can take them a long way. I don't know that they can take him to like eleven twelve I think if they get the defense gets to middle of the pack. I think at that point you're talking about a nine wins. I think of that defense gets up to like. Maybe top ten at that point, they just need to not be terrible, and I think they're over five hundred. They can not be like one of the worst defenses in football. Yeah. They're going to get over five hundred because I think their offense will be plenty good enough. It's just the once you start needing to get higher than that, and really becoming a team that can compete with some of these other teams, the NFC you need a defense. It's a little bit better than all right? Coli. We put you on the back burner. Now. We're back Kelly asked which player fans are hyped about is going to disappoint them. The most. All right. So I guess my first question is. What players are? We have about. Yeah. I guess I haven't been paying close enough attention to know if we've got a good list here, but go for it. All right. So I think Kendrick born lots of people get hyped about him. And when he gets cut people are gonna cry. And then I think Jalen Hurd, is, is I people, I think are getting kind of hyped about him because of a lot of reasons. And I think there is some reason for excitement there. I don't know that he will necessarily disappoint because I do think that even people who think he's very good. Generally think that there's some things he's got to work on things. But if a project man number one don't know about that quality Sander deformed Nick posted, deebo Samuel. Kevin coleman. That's kind of the list, I came up with and of those of those, I think the likeliest disappoint is, honestly, Kevin Coleman, I would say mostly because I don't know that anyone's going to focus enough on quantum Alexander's game in order to be able to be like he is trash, or he is great, and I think is going to be fine. Nick is going to be fine deformed will be in a much more advantageous position now, because of Nick Bosa, and I think Kevin Coleman is going to get like maybe one hundred and fifty snaps. Hopefully. And so that's going to be like, all right. You careless whisper? Yeah, I, I mean, I think you'll get more than that. I don't. Yeah. I don't think I would include him. I don't know that the hype is like that much, though. I did see an article that asked whether the foreigners had the best backfield the NFL on I like nearly lost it. But I to me that they might but and now they don't I mean that's absurd. And also, who cares? Well, that's, that's more. My point. My point is like cool. You have the best of the least valuable thing in the league dope. Yeah. I mean they definitely don't but the two names, I think, from that list that I would look to or or. Yeah. Quantum Alexander Jalen Hurd, at least to me like from what I've seen it which is granted a limited amount. And maybe he's just not getting as much hype as is what he is getting in my mind, but if people think that he's going to be a legitimate impact player in year one. They are going to be wrong. I'm going to throw that out there. I just don't see that. I think he could maybe develop into something. And I think yeah you can see a little bit. If you're taking an optimistic view, see why Shanahan would like him and I wanna give Shanahan every single benefit of the doubt. When it comes off into skill position players because offense just sets them up to succeed. Over and over and over again. I still just don't think that there's any chance that he is some big like game breaking player for this offense. That's just not happening. I think the only other player that is obviously part of the hype train is George kit. But he's gonna be fine. He's, he's gonna that hype train as well where he's not going to disappoint tight on the NFL follow up question when Kelly what is or who is your favorite long shot to make the team? And I mean there's a couple of old name ones that jump out, first of all, willy beavers. My name is willy willy beavers. Willie Beamon is when it comes can't stop because you're not supposed to. But I did in scrolling through the roster. And I can't can't say that I actually knew that he was on the forty Niners roster off the top of my head. But there is a player named jemele Garcia Williams. He may be the new gutty Guillaume because he has a double L in his name twice and Garcia and his name. So if it were to pronounce his name, it'd be Jamaica. Got THEO we. Uh-huh. Really, you pronounce it as the why. Even at the end like that. Yeah. Of course. Why not? No, no. Not at all, like, no. That's why I'm asking you use a Spanish speaker in English. It's just Williams. Right. But in Spanish, the double L is always, right. That's what I'm asking. Like the end of the first name, though, it gets the, the y sound there, I don't know that in Spanish that there is a word that ends into ELS in Spanish, if you wanted to end Djamil it'd be one L. Right. I mean, like, I'm, I'm no I'm no Spanish of Grammarian. Right. But nor am I an expert. I just kinda speak. It loosely. And yeah, I'm honestly why? We're not trying to be accurate. I'm just trying to say jamais fair and then got know got blown up. Oh, no. But okay, but frills I think there's one player for me as alshon year, actually, I think, just because of his story, I would love him. I would love for him to make the team if you haven't read about his story definitely do. So if you just Google his name Z's, I'll shut year as H A, I R ESPN there's a beautiful piece written about him and ESPN he when he was fifteen he was at his grandmother's house and his house started burning down, and you had to run in and save his family. He basically then was he was living in a one room motel with his entire family, and he slept on the floor to the point to where his high school coach started kind of taking them in and like feeding him and having them state his house, he would by choice sleep on the floor instead of the bed, because that's where he was more comfortable and it's just stuff like that just kind of breaks your heart and apparently, he's just stick to our bus rides to school because he would take his his brothers and sisters to class and he would drop them off. First, and then he would go to school, and then it would fall asleep in class, because he was so, damn tired, but he persevered one Florida Atlantic lane, kiffin loves them all those coaches love them. They say he's a hard worker. And I think he, he ran with an injury, which is why is forty time is slow. But apparently, he's a silent a sideline player and he has the will at least to succeed. And so one of those positive stories that you kind of know idea if you actually will. But if I'm looking for a long shot. That's the guy hitching a horse to. Yeah, I hadn't heard any of that. So I mean, I would absolutely root for that guy to make the team, I was going to go with no one. I'm just gonna shit on the little guy this year. Because none of these guys really stand out. But that seems like a better alternative. We shot are shot with, with Trent Taylor. And with Matt and breed, Breda, man, I got mad Breda. I'm like, I'm out on these undrafted guys for like, at least another five years. What pain that record? Aftermath Breda, the stated position of the perils podcast is that undrafted players never matter. Like that's the one. Get was the one guy. He was the generational talent in. We hit on that one or on to the next. I actually it's, it's possible that Matt Brita is a long shot to make the Russell at this point. He'll make it. I hope he does. I really hope he does. But, you know, Devin Coleman hype train, I don't, I don't want to start another hype train I only have one hype train for map Breda that you. All right. So j Patel. Another friend of the pot asks, and this is actually a good one. I'm glad that, that Jay Patel, asked this, but for the past five years, it seems like we've been an injury. Hell and every year here on the pod, the injuries will regress towards the mean but that isn't happening. Is it coaching location training, too much, not an a practice luck? I really love the fact that he put location in here like something about Santa Clara. It makes you more injury prone. I want to explore that as upset they area air that just fucking with them. It's just the depression from having, like two story just constant ranch, homes and staccato all like at equal level. Like shit. I'm an NFL player and I still got seven roommate's like this isn't cool. I'm surprised. She didn't catch me things to KADO instead of stucco staccato is not the word I was looking for payment. It's probably for the best. All right. So football outsiders. So I think some context because let's let's actually confirm the fact that the Niners have been an injury hell because it seems like we've been an injury help, but a lot of times when it comes to stuff like this. We lose context around these ideas or around these feelings. So let's go to football outsiders. And let's go to their AG L or adjusted game loss. Metric, which is a really good way of measuring injuries to a team basically what they do is they take the number of snaps the or not that players are starter. And the number of games of that player ends up being out for is. And they adjust for a couple of things as your adjusted games lost that way you're not penalized for having some scrub who was never going to see the field get injured as opposed to your starting quarterback. So it's a really, really good metric to measure injury impact on an individual team. And they did do a couple of tweaks to their formula this year. But this year they saw the highest number of injuries ever in the NFL and injuries have been slowly and steadily climbing with. Eighteen of course setting the record. So injuries have been on the rise. And this was one of the most injured years in the NFL, but even then the Niners have been pretty terrible. When it comes to injuries, you look at their age EL ranking in two thousand eighteen it was twenty ninth twenty seventeen. It was twenty-third twenty-fourth twenty-seventh, and then twenty third. That's the last five years, they've never ranked better than twenty third in the last five years in adjusted games law. So I would say it's kind of pretty accurate that the Niners have been pretty shitty. When it comes to injuries over the last five years injury. Hell check. Yes. So what causes that and are the Niners primed for kind of a regression to the mean. And then there's a couple of things here I think one absolutely it is luck, but too. I think if again, this is completely subjective just thought, but I do think injury to a certain degree of skill. There's some injury luck that is there. But I do think there is some players that are. Consistently injured. Jason Brett Jimmy ward two players that come to mind when you are constantly taking gambles on players that are injured or have a history of injury. Then I think you increase your likelihood that those players will be injured in the future. Yes, there are the Frank Gore's of the world who have a C L surgeries and their shoulders or ripped to shreds, and their thirty six years old and still play in the NFL. But gore is the outlier. I think overall if your strategy is to draft players and try to get some value from drafting injured players, then you shouldn't be surprised if your team is consistently injured, right? Yeah. To me. I think those are the two things that I would point to, I think one, yes, it is. The, the majority of the explanation here is that it is just a really terrible run of luck this shitty luck like injuries all of the evidence. We have about injuries suggests that no team is consistent. You know year after year like this. Right. You have random stretched like this. Like, I remember the giants, I believe it was also like had a terrible run. Three four five years, where they also finished among the worst in the NFL in terms of Jessop games, boss, like you have those random teams like this. I feel like right before this stretch. We actually the forty Niners had the opposite. They have hundreds of. Yeah. Like four out of five year stretch where they were one of the healthiest teams in the NFL. I don't think you can pin a ton of it. I mean again without knowing in the some of the same strength and conditioning staff that were under Jim Harbaugh made it through a lot of the other coaching regimes when those injuries flipped. So it's not like Jim Harbaugh. Some magic sauce that he was so good at football that he had great strength and conditioning coaches some of that staff went through and was also part of the strength and conditioning staff that was bad under Tom sue, and Kelly. Right. I was going to say, like a lot of the coaches they've had of been very health focused. Right. Like you think it chip Kelly, especially right, all of the stuff that was made a big deal of like with the sports science stuff, and everything that he had been, you know. Eating into practice to try to limit injuries. I think Shanahan has mentioned things like that. They're fairly light on practices, like trying to really go out of their way to keep guys healthy. And ultimately that just hasn't come to fruition. Right. So I think, yeah, part of it is just some really shitty lock. And then the other part of it is like you mentioned taking maybe more chances than your average team on guys who have had a history of injuries. Right. But they are a little bit more apt to signing players drafting players with an injury history than other teams. And I think that hasn't really worked out. They I I don't know that you can point to really one example of a player that had a major injury history that they've taken a chance on that is suddenly been healthy in a big impact player for them. So contagious streets still has time. Sure, I'm sure that'll be fine. Yeah. I think overall it is probably a combination of bad luck. I do think you'll see probably some uplift here. I do think the other part that impacts our perception of these injuries is the precise position that is injured. I think the last couple of years, you've had injuries to of course, Jimmy Garoppolo but I think calling cabinet pours head injuries. And you know we had to endure Blaine gabbert for the length of time that we did simply because Colin Kaepernick was injured. And so the last two quarterbacks that we would consider franchise quarterbacks have been injured for long stretches of time. And I think that also kind of skews perception and affects the team in a way that isn't affected that running back injuries affected too. Right. So sure, I think those all those things you put them in a bag and, and yeah, I think that you probably will Steve will see some regression to the mean but I think you're not going to see, you know, all of a sudden a long stretch of the team being, you know, one two or three because the other thing here is that, that yes, they've been bad. Last five years, but they still haven't been worse than the league in any one of those five years, they were last year in terms of injuries lost. They were closer to middle of pack. They're closer to eighteenth. Then they were close to Tampa Bay which was the thirty second ranked team. They lost like over one hundred sixty games to injury and the Niners lost like over one hundred like they lost shit ten games. Yeah. I, I think it's still been very bad, right? Like you don't necessarily have to. This is an area where you have to be the worst into like truly be in pretty bad shape. And I think they've been like part of the issue too, is that the injuries have been so spread like you looked at last year specifically they were near the bottom in both offense and defensive Asia. Right. So it wasn't just like one side of the ball. It was affected. And you still at least have your healthy core on the other side to hopefully carry you, like they weren't as banged up across the board and think that's really tough to overcome, especially in a team that was rebuilding doesn't have a ton of depth writing. And so you have very few. Quality high end players to begin with. And if some of those guys start to miss time, it just has an outsized impact on, on your ability to win games. And so I think this year though I mean, again, the thing won't change like if we do preview before the season and we're still going to be talking about, like look injuries like history tells us that they have to get healthier at some point just by sheer luck. Right. And I think we're gonna see a lot of stories like the most likely outcome is that they will be healthier. They'll at least get back somewhere to middle of the pack, even if they're not the healthiest team in football, and people are going to say that, oh, this new training staff that they brought in was the reason for that. And that won't be true. And then they'll go on and next year they'll either be better worse again. And it's going to have really nothing to do with that stuff. It's just like injuries are largely luck. And that's just unfortunately how it is. I will say this. I think the the best teams have or have the ability to weather the storm of injuries. I think the, the best example would be what the eagles were able to do where like, yeah. You have some injuries, but they've got a plan and between coaching and having a player that fit your to weather that storm for at least four games, and that's all you need. Especially for on a run. Really, really good rosters or able to weather injury storms. I think unless you know your injuries at quarterback. And that's kind of a different thing, which is why maybe heels is a bad example. But overall injuries are going to be effective life in the NFL and solid rousers top to bottom are able to find ways to weather that storm until they're really really good players. Come back. And so when the Niners have a much more complete roster. I think their injuries won't be as felt I think by the fan base if Jimmy can stay healthy. It'll be fun. All right. Let's get to a quick lightning round really, really quick one two or dancers. And the questions are hopefully, structured that way. This isn't gonna work. I know isn't never works out. Got damning RI David lightning around for question go, if you are a very God trainer and you granted a season of health, and you could only granted to one player, who would you granted to Jimmy awarded Jason Brett, Jason Brett agreed. There was an MBA lottery, talk in the comments should the NFL moved to a lottery style draft to prevent tanking. Yes or no, not the prevent tanking. But I don't know why not. That would be it would be absolute bedlam could you believe if you find trading picks would be Hillary? I don't know. I haven't thought that much about it. I don't know. Like if there's a really strong counter argument to going lottery style, but seems fun. I think the counter argument would be that you don't actually prevent parody because then you have what happened in the NBA draft this year, which is New Orleans getting the first overall pick cool. Don't reward shitty teams. I am. I am in favor of not rewarding incompetence like flat out like dynasties everywhere it's not even dynasties like playoff teams are still end up at the bottom right playoff teams aren't part of the lottery. It's only your non playoff teams. And so, at least that's how it is the NBA. And so. Yeah. Like your odds of a decent like fringe playoff team. Like, imagine if a fringe playoff team was able to add Cuyler Murray, a team that had like a fairly good Rosser, but was had a shitty quarterback middling quarterback that they can never get out of wouldn't it be more fun for that team to, like, get a good quarterback and be good and fun team to watch than having the like allowing the jets to luck into Sam darnold and fucking ruin him like yeah. So you don't want to adjust lottery, you want to you just want to relegate teams. I mean don't reward shitting and incompetence. That's all I'm saying. Let's let's, let's create a relegation system. Let's put them all on the af and then make you watch them all. Dear got. All right question. Three vans. Donald has some hands. That's the username CS. Yes. I love that. That's why I wanted to read the whole thing. It's great. It's fantastic username on nation. Who do you think we'll be the biggest surprise cut? And also the biggest long shot to make the fifty three man roster. Oh, god. This isn't lightened around all longshot. We already covered yet. Shitting on the little guy. I got nothing for you. There surprise cut. I don't think that there's anybody that is that big of a surprise. It's not good enough for surprise cuts. Yeah. These years going to be the longshot, I think, surprise cut. I'm probably going to go with born and I mean my my, my other is going to be tunnel Coleman. All right. I mean, that would be would be a little surprised that. Yeah. I think though the top three random Baxter and B find looking quickly at the roster. Yeah. I mean, I think maybe. Maybe born maybe I don't know. There's not enough good players that are going to be on the cut, like all the cuts are going to be expected, who leads the team in sacks? Who I think we've mentioned this before at some point, I'll lean slightly towards d Ford because I think that there is a very good chance that he gets the most an advantageous opportunities to rush the passer most one on one opportunities with Buckner and Bosa spending a lot of time on the same side on the opposite side of him to kind of draw a lot of the attention draw the slide protection their direction. So I think it will be set up for him to get the most, I'll go him, if the secondary is at least decent and the pass rush meets the highest petitions for twenty nineteen do the forty Niners have the offensive pieces to win a championship. Defenses what decent yet? The secondary is at least decent and the pass rush meets the high expectations for twenty nineteen. Wow. So great pass. Rush average secondary probably puts you above average defensively. Sure. Why not? Do they have the offensive pieces twenty championship? Yeah. I mean, I think again, it comes down to like the rest of the pieces, it's all a swimming health, of course. But again, I think if Garoppolo is good as we've think he is. And I think that there is legitimate, like top five potential with him. They're playing especially playing in Kyle Shanahan offense. I think the marriage of his skills, and what this offense asks is very, very good and is set up for him to do very well. And if that's the case like that is by far the most important thing to being a very successful on championship, contending team. And if you have a defense that is above average to go with that. I think yes sure yeah. I think it'll be, I think this is where the margins really matter. When you're talking about getting into championship kind of level. And I think on offense, I think, on offense the thing that, that leans me in the direction of possibly just call Shannon like that. That's the one thing where it's like, yeah. That's probably the most important piece. If you're looking at offense and other than that, I. Think. Well, yeah, because the thing is, is like I would say that I don't think the defense will be that good. And so it's more likely that they're not at that level. Right now is like how I would would look at it. Realistically, but again defense is volatile if everything or at least a lot of things break. Right for them there. And they ended up having that good of a defense then yeah, I think I think it could happen. And now we're gonna get to the game of thrones portion into the podcast. I think that wraps up all the forty Niners stuff we're going to spend the last couple of minutes on game of thrones recap in the last couple of episodes talking, but about our feelings answering one nine or, or one football related game of thrones questions about wins above replacement. But if you have no interest in game of thrones now's the time to hit festival down. Time to check out. Thanks for listening. You can always follow me on Twitter, at better rivals. They fall you at PF underscored David and as always go Niners. Let's talk. But thrones. All right. So Kelly, he says, which remained in game of thrones character had the lowest a wins above replacement score. Oh my God. Who is the running back of game of thrones? Now currently rate currently remaining character, the who am is the running back. I would say, okay, I come to mind. Great worm. You that seems harsh? Not as harsh as a war crime. I mean. Yeah. Do you was a little angry? Imagine. You know you're mean you can't you can't just got her head chopped off. Can't put Tyrian not on this list. Tyrian has had some pretty shit moves last. Yeah. I mean what are this kind of bullshit? But Tyrian as he currently stands is probably they're like he's costing his team wins. Like he negative war, like, like, basically, if you were to replace Tyrian with a, a hand of the king, or Queen that you signed off the street, could you get better advice? The answer is probably, yes. The answer is probably, yes. It is sad much like the writing for the show. Yes, because it's strong strong. Yeah. Fucking terrible. It sucks, man. It's so bad. They've the thing that frustrates me. The most is that and I think they said it best on the ring our podcast, but it's like we're reading the Wikipedia entry for the season as opposed to actually watching this season because they're just zooming through everything because they, they did not leave themselves enough time. And the importunate reality is that HBO this HBO's cash cow. They were like. Yeah, absolutely. Here have more money ten episodes. Go ahead. You wanna thirteen episode season. Go right ahead. You can do it too left. Exactly. And bending off and Weiser like now we're done. We always said it was going to be seventy three hours and that's what it was going to be. And it's just it's bullshit because they are zooming through way too much. None of the character turns feel earned it feels like you are throwing away character development and creator artists that have been in the works for years, and you're just left with this empty what? The fuck dealing episode after episode. And it's like I like, oh, yeah, I think I mean by far the largest mistake was the point at which they finished season. Five and basically decided. Excuse me, season six and then decided that we've got to shortened seasons to go like your decision to do that was bad. If you if you wanna maintain control of the show that decision was poor. So if you wanted out like I can understand that sure you've spent like what a decade at that point like on this show, you want to do something else. Cool. Turn it over to someone else who wants to do it, and by all accounts. There were several reasonable candidates that could've taken that over that we're very interested in bested in the story and these characters that could have done a much better job at running out and given time that deserves. I saw a really interesting threat on Twitter, though, that I think actually Chris Brown smart. Oh, yeah. About the mayor's is the rational actor. No. It was this idea of like a essentially getting different types of writers. Right. So the it kind of boil down to all writers fall, into one or two buckets. Right. You're either a plotter, or Pancer, which I've never heard these terms before panther like flying by the CD your pants or. Oh, okay. So. Powders plotter, is, but Pancer, right. So plotters like the dichotomy essentially plotters are writers that plan everything out in advance and have an idea of where the story is going start to finish before they really get going. And then it's just a matter of kind of connecting the dots. So a lot of times with them, you get a plotlines that are very tight, but you can maybe sometimes lack on character development because they're just they already know where they're going, and they're not always necessarily making decisions that are true to what that character would do. At least it can feel that way at times Panthers are very much what George. Dr Martin is, which is, I don't necessarily know where I'm like, I may have loose idea where I'm going, but I really am figuring this out as I go. I'm putting. Okay. Character in this position what do I feel like the character would do here and I just keep following these threads and following these threads based on what the characters what I feel like they would do? And so there, you usually get very, very good characters that you feel like. And so I think for five. Seasons six seasons. They were going off the George Martin's script, which was written in this specific style. That was like very deep complex characters. Things actions have meaning all of this type of stuff that, that if you love game of thrones you liked about store, and then basically off wise are plotters. So you had this switch into a condensed time line, where you went from one type of storytelling to a different type of storytelling, and condensed it all into thirteen episodes, and then as a as an audience, you that's very jarring. Right. And I think that's kind of what everyone is really experiencing. I think it makes sense. I don't think it necessarily justifies what they've done in really fucking being terrible this season. But I thought it was like a really interesting perspective on, on kind of why some of these changes because they, they essentially, right? If you look at it from their perspective, George told them where he thinks that it's going, they had the end game in mind. And they're like, okay, we've committed. We have thirteen episodes. We know. You need to get here. Let's make it happen. And so all of a sudden characters at that point, are no longer being like true to the actions that we would expect them to have based on what we know about those characters they just got to get from point A to B to C so we can get to the end game. And that's really, what has happened. But I think part of the mistake is, is if they are indeed plotters, and they were like, all right. We know exactly where this is going to go, and we're going to have our actors do that from and have that in mind from getting the end. That's the part they missed Danny had no idea that she was going to have the turn to the mad Queen because I think Emilia Clarke is fantastic actress and she is literally turning dog shit into something. She's literally on a mechanical dragon showing emotion, and you can actually see that emotion. She's working with a dog shit of a script, and you're actually able to put some stuff together, if they were to have told her from the get-go, look, your Aric is that you're eventually going to go crazy, and you're going to commit genocide, then the things that she did in season. Two. Three four and five. They would contribute to the ultimate turn. It wouldn't be a two episode turn. So I don't know that you're that you're selling me on the idea that they're plotters. So I think they're plot. Like when the story became there's right was after season. Six I just think that I think it's only they only plotted that time the rest of the time from one through six, they're working off somebody else's plan. Right. They don't have to. They have the script there for them. And then now you get two seasons where they had to be in charge of what happened essentially, they had to make up the story they no longer had source material the build it from. And that's where they became the plotters that they actually are. And so they said, this is how much store we've got this is where we need to get like let's fuck and make it happen. And the result is just like this complete jarring experience. That's untrue to everything that we learned through the first six seasons, but I, I'm not even convinced that they're necessarily good writers like when you look at their actual credits. Like I was looking at Ben. Obser- when I'm looking at Benny credit list, Reiten, okay. Twenty fifth hour was pretty good. Troy was a fucking abomination. It was awful. And so, because the argument that I think I would be most sympathized to is a little similar to the argument, you're making, which is their great adapters. They're terrible creators. So when they're adapting story, they're very good. But when they're creating something new, they're not able to do things in the same way. Twenty hour was, I think his master's thesis, and it turned into a actually a pretty good movie with Edward Norton. It's been awhile since I've seen it but not bad from what I remember but Troy was awful. That's an adaptation, and that was an adaptation, that was complete that's been complete review that was years, actually, like it's the exact opposite of George Martin. And so I think that I'm just not convinced that they're necessarily good at the actual thing that is writing because you look at, at Weiss and he's got okay, confederate and Star Wars on his game of thrones. And it's always sunny on Philadelphia. I don't think that that's an argument that. They're good at being plotters. I think that's just more what they are. Right. It's, it's like Nick Mullins is a quarterback. He may not be a good quarterback. But it's what he is right. I think that's kind of more the argument. Yeah. It's, it's not that they like were put in a bad situation and you should give them the benefit of the doubt. I think that's just kind of a bit of what the reality is. And that is led to some, some kind of, like really shitty effects as a as a viewer, but there are so many just basic things that they don't that they don't grasp it grab the they don't actually work for anything mean agree, I it's, it's awful. I mean, the Jamie character. Arc even in the one episode is awful, the Bryanne thing was useless. I think things been used evenly good moment of this entire season was Brienne getting knighted. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, I, I would say the conversation between Tyrian and Jamie in the tent when he frees them do when he tells them like the only reason that's what my chance because of you I love that was pretty good. But that's mostly it. You look at Benny offs writing credits. And you've got the twenty fifth hour. Troy stay. I don't think I ever saw that didn't see on the non drill over the kite runner. Loved the book movie. It was not good. X men origins, wolverine brothers. It's always sunny game of thrones like there's one thing on here and I haven't seen stay or when the nines, roll over. So if you've seen those and those are masterpieces let me know maybe I will rent them and I will dive deep into the filmography. But up until now I just I don't know the very good because it is they are destroying this show. And the only thing I think that we can get out of this is at George Martin says they absolutely aborted the last two seasons of this show. And so let me go ahead and actually fill in the blank. Wchs. And actually write a good story in whatever years, he's got left. Right. I think that's the toughest part. Right. Is it's, it's the story that for, for me at least that I like love right? Like this is maybe my favorite story ever like I've, I've read the books multiple times. I've watched the show, you know, a bunch of different times with each episode. Like this is other than football as far as like from an entertainment perspective. Like this is probably the thing that I've spent the most time on in my free time, like over the last, however many years, it's been in so like carrying about the story and then wondering whether it's going to get an ending the books and knowing that this might be the only ending it just it sucks. You know, it just it sucks to see it end this way and be just kind of a terrible final way to go out. And so, I think, yeah, the one thing that would save it is, if it does motivate George and have to be like, okay. People hated like they finished before me, but every. One hated it. I can still do this, and this is the motivation I need to get it done. That would be fantastic. But I mean who knows at this point? But you know what we've got memes, and the means are holding the mean the meaning is wrong wrong. Absolutely. But all right. This is going to be our final. We're not going to have show next week. So this is going to be our final show before we see the finale, what are your predictions for the finale other than it being steaming, hot pilot garbage God that I'll make it through awake. I think who ends up on the iron throne. No one. Yeah. That's my that's my death pool bed. So I think yeah. I mean obviously, it's set up for for Danny to go down probably die. I guess I don't know what they would do to her. If she doesn't die, how I don't know how they would remove her from power and not kill her right, essentially. So, I think it'll be laughed everybody'll, of course want John to do it. John won't want to do it because he's John. And it'll be left to basically no one. I think if they wanted to have. Brand plate any sort of meaningful role in this entire season. There's potential there that likes so there was, I guess, I think it only happened one time in western SE history, which is the great council, which was essentially things were so fucked that all the high born people got together, and like picked a ruler somewhat democratically. And so maybe you get some sort of ending like that where brand proposes that and that's kind of where we leave things is that they're going to establish a completely different type of government to rule over west rose Samuel Charlie's evalu- pig here. He is the guy's gonna gives you like probably a long shot. But if you've got money on them I hope you're getting your return. I think it would it would be really annoying. If Sansa ended up killing denarius as well. She's just I'm curious. How are we going to get? I mean, you know what's going to happen? We can't like have the season and we're not going to see Sonya and all the people at winter fell again. So exactly he's going to get they're going to somehow get altogether. I think this is going to be funny saunas my other favorite standup up on the iron throne. I think basically John ends up, not once so Danny dies. John's like he recites one of his three lines that he has in the show. You know, she's my Queen I don't want it. Don't want it. What's the other one? I forget, there's only those that pretty much wraps it up. Belkin hate dire wolves. Might as well be the third. But I think he ends up probably like leaving north and saying at this noise and then saunas left, like all right bitches, I told you, I'm, I'm the one, and then, are you runs the army and off you go? I will leave it with this. The only thing that I want to happen in this final episode is for aria to kill Danny wearing the face of a dragon. That's that mean really really got me. It'd be a hell of a power move, but that actually officially does it for this extended episode unexpectedly extended episode of the better rivals podcasts, thanks for tuning in, and as always go Niners.

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S1E92: The Shawn Harvey Morning Show  02/21/20

The Shawn Harvey Morning Show Podcast

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S1E92: The Shawn Harvey Morning Show 02/21/20

"Okay took Took GO LARRY. Asa Okay everybody God bless each and every one of you is so filled Friday. It is Friday February twenty first twenty twenty forty five minutes after the hour work to sharp one show fruits and Saint James Alone Co host party. Clo- where you get your morning started right only place on Earth where you get your morning started right only places you're GonNa get all this morning. Love the chat room is wide open. You know please show each of some love in the chat room or you can call it. The numbers five seven zero nine eight two six nine five zero. Cj We are broadcasting live on radio DOT COM IHEART radio show Harvey Morning Show Dot Com Comedy World Radio and the all mighty facebook live so coming enjoys. What action packed. Show this morning. Cindy J. on feel Good Friday. Good to see. How are you today? Cj I'm doing Great Sean. Good morning to everybody listening. We have a great show for you guys today. We're going to get started with front page news with any Jay where I'm going to let you know what's going on locally and nationally so make sure you stay tuned for that and right. Now I'm going to get you started with a little bit of weather if you haven't stepped out the door yet right now. In downtown Bethlehem where we broadcast from daily in Pennsylvania. It is currently nineteen degrees going up to a high of thirty nine degrees but it will be sunny all day. So you'll have to bring any rain gear out with you in New York City. It is currently twenty three degrees and is going up to a thirty seven degrees and it will be sunny all day today as well in Orlando. It is currently fifty two degrees. It is cloudy. And they're going to a high of fifty seven today in Hotlanta. It's currently thirty four degrees. They're going up to a high of forty six won't be very hot there today and it will be partly cloudy partly sunny in Los Angeles currently fifty seven degrees and they are going up to a high of seventy five and it will be sunny all day there today. So that is the weather that we let us know what the weather is like where you are this assembly Jay on the Sean Morning. Show featuring me along with Carl was Barbie Cologne where you get your morning. Starting right and j where you get your morning started writes in Jay. We're GONNA have Harvey's houses sports will. We're going to give a different perspective on sports of the scores. That's what we do here but before we do the morning buzz we have a special guest in Mr Footwork himself. My man we'll tracks will be calling in the legendary at eight thirty but before we had the morning buzz and I guarantee ancient everyone the all in that chat room listening all newsradio platform head booby buzzard before nine. Am Synergy what else do you have. Well in the nine o'clock hour I'm also going to have some sunny says Rowlett you know what's going on in Hollywood and entertainment news so stick around for check this out what we're going to do we're going to take a quick break before we take a break. One that people know that when we come back. We're GONNA shout out. The Room with the heart sat in the chat room. You know the official anthem all over the world all over the Internet. You know how we say. Where's the heart set in the chat? We'll show you some but not only that city. We also going to name a new chat room member of the re- that's what we do on Friday because on Friday. We dedicate the show to all our listeners. So check this out. We're GONNA shout you out with Heart Center chat room. We're going to announce a new chat room member of the week so don't go nowhere. What are we GONNA do go back to the morning drive? Dj never never stopped always would be. They always do doubt Bill. Campbell took hold on. Hold on guys share. It's cold outside outside and their busy busy week there. I've been busy all week so after the show. I haven't done my laundry. Could you know what I did? Laundry all my laws US IN MY CAR RANKED CITY UTAH. I was so I took everything like the bedsheets locations. You Got Right. She's wrong choice of right now. Which seats y'all all and show your resume my lunch my own life. I don't have called. They're never got to end the conflict laundry over there except I like to go to school lunch or match to because she can do all your laundry at once and then they had big acid received the before you put several teams Gerald I in the day beat on that day now. Let's get this. Don't I picked through piles of what? Ideally you. Just wash it for the next day. I don't really got hyper all Shaw Bob. Single Lady here I I look. Look what are you worried about what we wear tomorrow? Whatever you want you already in the washing machine. We washed that boom real quick. We worry about the resin leaders who are closed yesterday just fixing things. God knows as I got tired of all the lottery. Is it never. It doesn't banderas but I have never as always our pilots. So why don't we just use what we need? You get down to that last gearboxes nine word just go to Walmart. Ninety nine eight pack. Call it a day long underwear hat right lease time for his laundry. Give a damn about a laundry too. Then she takes off in my car and then I have a laundry bag I want to. I don't even want to think about it. I really don't want to think about Louis. Post exit one long. I mean hey godspeed my brother in that laundry. I wish you all the best in your journey with that says what to wear for walk witness underwear got said turn your socks accuser inside out get another thing stocks herald green box inside out living up. You know what it is. You'll have to wash your underwear before her your new underwear y y you no own. Why do you don't get what you pay for? That they just go into the rotation of Never GonNa get also air sealed in the package. Now you buy underwear and they lose the T. Shah and yet you buy a loose plan but if you think you want that must got time on her side him out and put a warning fits so well. I would guess once a week I try but then you know what will happen to sidetrack into the close watch machines and they get mel dude attention spans. I pick me not having watched his DISA- blended not to split the food drive. And like I always take a piece of Washington now right on the Lazier because apple washing machine and dryer in my house. So I I'm just like whatever countdown can you WANNA watch her entire? And of course longer. Veneta don't call don't come over my house long. Hap- side of my day is closed amazes me if I had a man I might I might take more pride and clean it up but as of right now we are back on. It is still good. Friday is Friday February twenty first twenty twenty fifty seven minutes out the I will welcome one. God bless each and every song money show featuring Dj Colesberg way gives WanNa start right only place on earth where you get your start right you get your morning. Love Mateo folks are GonNa get you want to start right but it's a good look when you hear the chat rooms open. Please show Chelsom love this morning or you can call in numbers. Five seven zero nine two six nine five zero singer broadcasting live comedy. World RADIO RADIO DOT COM I heart radio show DOT com. Facebook live we are in the building. Welcome everybody CJ. Good morning once again in. How are you good Morning Sean? I'm doing great feats extra great Shahabi Coffee. I've been working on night so he probably didn't want to fall asleep in gaul hidden motives. Shaw I'm GonNa let you guys know what the weather is like today in. Maybe your neck of the woods in Bethlehem Pennsylvania where we broadcast daily from it is currently nineteen degrees spit. Nippy outside it'll be partly cloudy. It's going up to a high of thirty nine in New York. It is currently twenty three degrees going up to a high of thirty seven Wu. And it's going to be sunny so catch that Sun while you can in Hotlanta. It is currently thirty four degrees. Going up to a high of forty eight and it will be mostly cloudy in Orlando. It is currently fifty two degrees going up to a high of fifty seven and it will be cloudy. Sorry about that. Audrey Johnson not sunny down there in Florida today and in Los Angeles. It is currently fifty seven degrees. And they're going up to a high of seventy five and it will be sunny all day over there. That is whether that we have let us know what the weather is. Like where you are this is Shaun Harvey morning show featuring Jay along with Barbie Cologne way. 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We're going there so I want to take this because the universe has proclaimed this for us. That's why put that working. So I talk about Cindy J. I wouldn't do this show without Cindy J. Better recognize the hard work that this young lady put it. You'll have to recognize that I do in the universe. Your show Cindy Jason La. She lives this. She lives what we do here. She lives it. I'M GONNA make sure this woman is doing this for a living this time next year. I pulled claimed that your show Cindy J. Some luck she walked with me day. One run around. Take your some kind of Radio Personality Drako? Prosecutors this woman this you read your your convenience. You don't even know what you do and cities they got more talented huffing than all your up there in the wor radio female personalities I said Lord Recognize Sidney J do here. We'll J. Lo so you didn't hear can't be in the same room as personality at City J. Are you kidding me? I said that came from the top cable. 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A matter of that looks at that. Now my son don't give me while they can't be bringing if she can't use coal dobruna bombs black. I don't expect you to bring right now. One of my sense is actually dating a girl who went to high school. And she's other than Brad. This school and says for now is just get over. It's like trying to get over something you go to something else. I'm not trying to like deal with that. But you know I'm not really fond of it because I don't think anything wrong with it and I think I'm black. We know that one get down. Put Up pitcher the Puerto Rican princess. How did you feel Hoti I? Of course we gotta take a break. How do we gotta take a break is pointing? Landau Plymouth Rock and his party. United States was you'd be able to speak Spanish. Okay. Honey. We're GONNA take a break gotten. I love you more high winning. Okay we gotta get married. I'm lonely right now. Woman has the laundry order largely on my bed in the shape of a man who hotties please love. God Can I get out man? I you don't practice ain't enjoying it own Doodo prejudices pal I appreciate. I think you posted up a picture. One ear five one day and I gave you the big I'll Emoji. He had like one of them had like. How do you stock your page? Now I'M GONNA be out here. You need to actually not knocking daughters around Sabi home. Take a short. She does not. She's not best. Taylor Shaw Oliver. How are you girl? Let Tasha James Rand Girl. You crowned don't take took a member of the week are we did because Lord knows that. Show morning show city Bobby. The morning was born on the world. Will tracks come on tracks. You'LL WANNA hold on everybody? Everybody in the chat room. Everybody clap man. The one and only Mr Footwork's from that's right building. China light shower. Just Stop Sean will. God bless you brother Robinson's other? Cj Jay that's million looks. This man makes entertainment. Look so easy he does. He grabs a microphone. And next thing you know he likes to go to a point by point swag connects you know. He gets on the microphone. And then everybody's that's right. He makes everything looks so easy. I don't know I guess I guess for human means you know so I guess but that's all about him you know it's all about having a clear voice the smile you know how you always say. Sean your your your life is a vacation dry. This guy's the same way. Not Like I call. We'll we'll tracks money in the bank because when you pay don't get the job the job is gonNA happen. I Tri- will let these folks know where you from originally Bronx salaries section of the Bronx hold on his turn. Hold on says any the be ex will all the legends of born the next. That's where I'm from sending me to. Yoke cine sweats was invented in the B. X. Without the jets would be no hip hop. Jesus Jesus Christ was born in the Bronx these'll soundview projects with the James Monroe in a of a side will only been in the rap game plan right now. I got like I'm a I'm officially. I'm officially closed. Twenty five years in twenty five years in Augusta giving up some momentum C. D. C. up experienced that I'm still trying to find a vein now but Acute show cause for me You Know Rockingham mixed tapes are doing this right now or even like you hit on the role pretty gun. Ninety five ninety six C. J. had a universe allows one person in your life and then they take you to another level and then you go on and then then all. These other opportunities happened to the hard work get. This is hard work right. People will right. People think that like what we do is easy. This is not easy will does this for a living. That's why I challenge in when people go up there and go yo I could. I could rock the party. Just as just as bad as we'll track right saying But you got a day job which your job and battle will tracks been homeless in a month. It's hard I'm hearing everybody out there. Don't you love? It is a hobby to you will and I do. This is not a hobby. This is what we do. So you gotTa have that super talent will sir. Why are you book or in his book so much? I can't even bring them on. We'll check out here in a will your why you book so much of it in your talent. What makes you know been all this? Have you said it best impression first impression? So say these people math or face-to-face. You're already feel good spirit because in and then at the end of the team and you all hockey somebody like these like with all recognize. You've got another vaccinate if you'd be recognized by somebody and everything could buy okay. Perfect Marshall Iraq. Killing you go to those Rusen better but now it's like a chain lashing. I one job. I've been able to see like in medical like any profession of than the talent. He's he's he's time picking up the phone. He's got good energy if he could do the show. He can't if you could. If you can't do it here let you. Not How many Tuxedos and soup. St Has he can. He's like the Dean Martin L. You wear that she. You just said that because you know like I TRY TO SPLIT IT IN HALF I. I'd moved back for training. You even when it gets cold I roll. Markley skin six three and actually my through town Johnson trash and evil. I'm Brownsville Houston thing. 'cause I actually I was like I go up and down because you know in my business out there and then you know seeing so I'm care myself I'm good you know. Show off down through Florida. I'm not that you can skinny ones. And the mini nice rising coming up to see one of the keys to his assess. You can't keep it unless you give it away give ways give stuff away to the homeless that like this. Guy. That's great will. We just recently did a full week before before. The Corona virus was out before it had it will. Abe Is Denise in the in the Chat Room. She's listening This stall Glue I look at World Trash and other entertainers and I take things from them and see how professional is but he's not that entertainer that drum sloppy cursing folks out. Being annoying is being loving and caring again on. Stays at all articulate three. Well how did you come up with this song? The first song the footwork's Had It is sitting down. Is this man a work for the rest of his life over that once. I know Song Party Song. Right exactly like that. It's like Michael Jackson off the wall right into right. There was the installation of vassal before the awesome. That's GonNa go to test the well known work That I work with all instrumental of it was already data and one. You know what I'm saying so you've God not be worrying that school so you know me here. I'm like something else that got done. One night parties. It'd be playing so I don't know what it was. I guess it had to be lady. Well when I walk by me. I let the shoes you know saying you know decisions any Memphis. Somehow you know like like spirit moments in my own. She's biked was moment like she's so quirky and then some reasons. I one Friday night with hers. I can use them and I had to be paying like about three thirty four thirty three three thirty four the money I call it. I like the world is quiet. That's only And I'm that Pete Rock and I'm like hey it's a party in the fringe and my wait hold on. I got up there call partner DJ. And I might your kitchen and I have some horn so you try to leave. The other. Says he had been for the ski trip and only did like half of the soil. But it was with the promoters being so if I was just like a good diverse browsing so I was like okay. Shaw then you see so and so where so like I promoted and that was it on back you gotTa pick the First Avenue in the national system. Seems like it all comes together. How it all comes together because he put that work in the universe allowed. He's at all the parties supporting guy even when he's not partying. Now before we get into the next song will know you have a successful you in Kool-aid do a successful sedating grown folks get together on a Monday night in Hallum. Yes I've been in many of times is the after work for grown folks and for folks like you season and everybody's in their evening hookah the whole thing and we'll tracks and Kuwait and all of us are in name and it seemed like Monday after work is like a Friday or Saturday night with the audience about Monday night before we get into the look. How did that come about you? Know for every Kennedy said like I said it was all pink and macgonagall star and Rocking up that Charon and you know that was like we did like the four years here is to look for years and years all so all could get seven years of watching things being brand not being not being even messed up. You know what I'm saying just like somebody who was just like this definitely thing for seven years as long as crazy as you coming in this really giving is like a seven six thirty seven o'clock in the evening every plan then you gotta come to airline Gene Ready. I where is where is it? Where is the location will on one one? St Avenue scored Rennick Sapphire Twenty seven. Th Street minutes avenue right there right down. The block from hall will affect you know first of all thank you. Let's have one for calling in. Thank you for finishing schedule this week. I'm crazy I'M GONNA. I'm all over the place we we'll get into. That will shine a light on of city Gash. That that's so the Almighty Jesus Christ and I sent Jesus was born in the Bronx. You Did the light all of city. Well our talk to me. What was the inspiration on city like every age you could be five years old and ninety seven everybody shining a light on cellphone light sliders Adam far on and off the lights Brown Coal China and I was six years old so two thousand fourteen server and all the crazy thing about schlongs like I was asking just acting so once again. This started Martini. Monday and You know at the end of the day. Not Everybody celebrates the Berkeley. So you're from where I sat there might be. A bunch of people will be here celebrating birthday and you'd have to somebody celebrity birthday and at the end of the day. He owns chopping somebody in the corner. They've birthday you never get a chance to see them. You can't see them year. Can't see here. You can't do it without any day. I might Hawan call right John. You know what I'm saying. Jeff from beaten at somebody noticed with them. Because you know somebody's property dark. Never get to see the purpose so at the end of the day is night. I'm saying that sometimes make noggin truck. That's basically what it is so but actually put the lights on like you know. Put them and let them the big show in the polic- from head to Toe. Sheen's we are is on. That's my thing. And then at the end of the day using shot and then off of that basically China right on anything. That's that's that city. I know you're not gonNA believe because you teach matching checking city. I was around when he developed his song at Martini. Mondays at the tavern. You is around hold on us in the studio when he was you know he will. Google does he. Does it all inspiration with the crowd as he's doing it right over conclude kitchen with the shot and right but I mean if any songs other than work against also working from home so everyday life is just everyday life everyday everyday life this stuff to be successful? That's what we're going to be successful steps to be succession only comes from the Bronx. That's Me Mel was born in the Bronx New York City Jay Limited winds will was doing all of this and a lot of his inspiration is right there at the. Party's this was back in my drinking days any I used to go to Osi Taboo on one hundred thirty eight th street. Get Drunk as hell right at Mancini Mondays when they were in the Bronx of course then I will go to Harlem to mock allowance and tell the jokes I would get drunk at one spot and tell jokes at the sounds exciting. And then they moved to harlow. Well write it detainment and what we need you still there. On Mondays. They still Monday. Refner will just Martini Mondays. Every Monday on Safiuddin down there will rest watch. A career of relationships groupies running out of the club sex in cars baby buggies crashing party. What Chick one-sided room I've been there have you been this. Everyone believed as back in the reckless days. I've been unkind. That'll do that stuff. No more guy then Golfer. Jesus we'll have you ever been a situation where you had two or three in in the room. And he was on the Mike and he said Let me footwork out of his club car. I've never I never had enough stress. I mean insulation where I had to be like that. Don't say so. My situation was ever Nice Benson but everybody has. They respect inspected John C. soon. He's not seen as you go right there. You go see what's that was that was all and now the relationship. I'm I'm showing must have been there done that and I'm the specs you know what I'm saying if I've never had no bobby dishes. So that's why when we bypass initiatives and name the spot attribute alone because we had as sending me tell you something right now. She's probably listening on his. He's probably standing right next to. This woman is absolutely trust me. I believe that mall in. We want to talk to this one but he came in Gaza. So you see what I'm saying. See again like people. Don't understand that that swab like for me. Cindy Jane I behave as a professional because the deal is this will and myself have in common is with very easy to find so you could come to our job because you can see it on a flyer and you could come in there and call all kinds of Ruckus because of the way we behave right so we refrain from that behavior but Sydney will tracks and myself can't go to nobody else's job. We don't know where you work. We can't 'cause no Ruckus so on the flip side of that we behave a certain way because we don't want that energy and then negativity in the club the promoter the whole it gets very messy war you for your behavior. I think you should run. For the mayor of soundview in the Bronx speaking of sound inability brexit speaking of south view. And then we get into. Which Newman cine ended bronx in the young? We have certain days in. I would neighborhood like where I live on one hundred sixty thirty. Nfl we have a Rogers Day. Rogers Place Eight Day. Forest bubble will and sal view their famous for this. Dj Hot Sauce is going to be digging hop sources from Saudi. Wouldn't want is your annual soundview day out there Well first off any nothing like what's going on out here. That's when everybody get the governor summertime. We find out who died in the wintertime. We party. I first Saturday an audit by that sound. You will recall and the pack up and he vote. The vote will go well. I'm going to go. I'll see you in August. Brow will help before it will let let folks know. What are you doing this weekend? What's going on? And how can they find you on social media? Let's talk thank you for calling. You know social social media face you know world tracks of your She expects on social media. It's my name backwards distracts world's CR X W L. And and like I say some sort of a phone from this afternoon and I gotTa Show Jerry. Tomorrow in Charlotte come back. Come back Sunday for charity which during the half and our so our cars and of course the files on weekends throughout her service that's in North Carolina going to Carolina next week and he's going back home my goodness. Oh hottie wants to have him at her show. Maybe you should worry that our work. I work I work that out. As if he's available walking hot I get a will out there to love out the Long Island. Cine this man is doing a photo shoot this afternoon very humble. He's very funny. It's a pleasure to be around. This guy helps two homeless. I know well quality worse following train. All everything is grown sexy with him right. It doesn't tell you one thing you gotTa know about will and we'll share this before you go City he doesn't like the ratchet or the turn up. He's not doing that now. Anything is possible. Anything is possible nope we will do it just at Daveramsey Shit just frankly and at the wrong what is it will do anti wrinkle in party right all right. Well listen we gotta take a break men and again. We'll thank you so much for doing this for us at the last minute you know. I love you to death was a good friend of mine and I truly appreciate you and we wish you so much success in love and health and wealth men. We appreciate it. I appreciate you to feel good rally. I'm over from the why factor taking. I'm probably your time. Officially takes his fly shirts and take it to the homeless shelter as close to Salvation Army. And they don't even sell it. Keep it I will. We love you brother. Thank you so much for you. New Song the minute the jump shot Oscar jump shot shot. He's going to send it on over email address. You see what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Seattle now at career right now. I'll take the tea right here on this phone right now. Okay cool cool. How Angel in that did you guys enjoy that will attract. He's sending us an exclusive new track right now. We're going to play. Dj can get his issues together. We're GONNA get Haughty Taty Sean just to try and make that happen though. I'm not I'm not GONNA try. We're GONNA make it happen. We're going to make it happen. Make it look like he busy. And how does she have a basket firm mascots? The morning started. Just what a great interview. You did a great job. We'll tracks love you. You know you always doing a great job Sean. Great interview questioning quake. Questioning doesn't for great so we'll tracks is like and I love the that he's a humble beloved. You can really tell. I haven't gotten a chance to really see a full performance. I've seen him even. They're far on a big club somewhere that I would really love to have them at the methodist show and if he's available on once. I definitely we're GONNA make it happen. We're GONNA make it happen. We'd go if he's available. We'll make it happen show. I just blanked out. We gotta go Hoti is on it. Napoli she's GonNa make sure she goes talk you you guys. Heidi will be colleague. Game Up until March twenty so a city of quick. And then we're going to announce the chapel mobile week. How are we sitting on another remember in a week? Doubt Harry G point to city. Ooh That's right prentice. We have an exclusive. You got you pick Harry up mcclatchy. We play any other yellow. Everybody who evening you I don't know about. Hey Damn Rusty Rodriguez. It is a feel-good Friday. Happy Friday to you. We are glad you made it into the room to day. We hope you guys are all loving the show. Please share and like like this video. Throw it up on your wall. Invite your friends we have been having so many new people is also good friends. Yeah also really good friends with world tracks and Denise so hard more show Sydney Sydney. Bobby's fine initiative so bad of ready ready we're GonNa do the God bless Batman. God bless bless less good is say that s up tonight. Yes gotTA squeaky Yes. She's awesome. She works on Fridays as poor freshman. Freshman breaking now okay. God bless their. She's she's amazing. Nessin another good friend of mine all right. Let's let's let's do this. We come back when Davy chat remember the week. He will will right here. Who is it GONNA me on? What we mean kicked off twin problem over. Yeah I know that we know him basically still not GonNa let us rob track. You know. Listen we want to hit right? Cloning Keith Work Hope. Y'ALL ARE DANCING. Or maybe you standing up and show job. We're going to get shot. That's right Turner gets your band saw. Everybody Liv originally put work. You guys are GONNA be right back we're GONNA. We're going to ask how many things that I like to give me. Oh good riding today. Doing footwork sweat. Hearing for breaking appreciate put Manual Wig Wig Work Matt Ryan. Somebody not feel the league. Is John Paul? Everybody's getting some air like I do. Singers like a Weirdo. GotTa get some air and sinning against some air. The young lady just walked in the Salon in on yes and actually she wanted to come come in on Tuesday. Okay say hello to everybody I would imagine. How are you GonNa Money? I come near Salah. Enjoy their spot. Enjoy NAIL SPA. Yes that's the way in. The back is very beautiful coach. Yes what's your name is Sandy Sandy. Oh Hi Angie. I'm sending Jay Nice to meet you. She's absolutely beautiful city. Don't leave me now. They love you. Sit down sit down to come in here on to talk after the show. She can advertise business here in the building. That's real businesses. Doctor ends behind us. And yes the doctor over there. And do you do the acupuncture to acupressure? You do that or no on our sorry. I thought she did that to have the accuracy of the salon. Okay now with which you can do at the No Salah Watson why? So we're GONNA do is go. She's GonNa go to come back on Tuesday done. I literally just got very like. She didn't want to be shy. City Kebab. Top. Or that you'd be calling me. She's not coming out rabbit. Asian women all Black Man. Just grab an agent. Don't subject because I really don't I really don't have anybody to bail you. I really do want to but I have to go live for a little bit. Have a little telephone to bail you out you. WanNa keep grabbing. They know the cash to the show sitting. We dedicate the show on Fridays to listen. Yeah we'RE GONNA shout out the room that we got it name. Chat Room number two week shall harvey morning show city body everybody will Robinson J Comedians in Pennsylvania? Hey will robbins discuss hilarious onstage and I want everybody feel? Don't mind follow him on social media. He's a good friend of mine for years City yesterday when he was out was talking about women with with the crazy sexy. I know if you've heard all that we'll talk about his baby mother before his wife she was creating screw drive at the door and now he has his beloved wife. There was for five years and then the name married. They've been together fifteen years twenty years combined and I suggested to him to keep the love. Galway's city jade runaround bananas negative house now and when she gets sent a picture of a half new pitcher just the chest with the jeans and the Thames on with the fit with the Gangsta. Look you want him to send to his wife that as home. I'll say what you would that be only. I'm sick and I'm leaving work exactly. I'm coming right home. Boo in a sixty Barbie. Well said that he was going to report back. This morning would happen last night. You did that well on that so I don't know what does it happen or not. He said if I if I can remember correctly that his wife comes home and nine o'clock at night I believe And then he has to go to work. She Works Today. He works the night he out here. They have a fourteen year old son so I told Australian out the House senator. Some loved one. Well right he's suggested Sunday. Stay downstairs and they'll run around in. The bill will our first quiz because everybody wants to know everyone including me. Because I wasn't here yes. Foresee West is prejudice Cox and there was no prentice is the name will the first question. Is We dedicate this show and try to listen? Take a half nude with bare-chested jeans on Thames with the TILT SIZED CITY. Jane would that low gags the look. They're just sitting there Pitino. Wife come on go pitcher to K- get that asshole on hold on Sydney Sydney as a woman pitcher tim boots only Doug. Life Thug LUV Second chance how would that convey? I wouldn't really resonate with me. I'd be like what is he talking about route glove. You want me to love the damned just by those. I would be confused. Oh I just bought for you. But they'd be big if they're issue. Does she bottles? Yeah like what's going on so I would think he's trying to be funny right instead of seductive right right. That's what I'm thinking right. This she replied to the To the attacks with the with the belt love shift I mean at the end of the day. It's a lose nine. Nagas Chaka's talk about longitude. It's wide a relationship too. Raunchy out in your car on your bench. And he he. Hey Hey hey I'm a single lady. I need someone to hold me at night and I don't have a wash and dry loop parliament. Okay please act like you know. I'll be okay. Well we'll see what he did. Did you send a pigeon national thinking so when she came home and not o'clock at night is that comes from that? Was you a negative happens. When she comes home she goes right into the show right. I know this so since I knew that was going to happen. I've figured out a call in show. I'm GonNa make scum happen so I just joined in the show but I'm like a big Scott Guy like it does. Look sexy like leadoff past looking pig. I got him on some things around. Praying tetris sounding. Wow we're little city might be a climax story all right all right so so this obstacles obstacles in a way. Hey let's just take it to the bedroom like no sure harvey you want to hear. The story can now take the two bedroom hop from us and we try to do something one. Pm toiling breaks allure highest. Why coz rolling up the check on his geriatric parents we finally we take it to the barrel. But we didn't run around his neck chasing each other like you suggested congress shade around a little bit. You know we did. I think. Sounds very haphazard. Swallow played spades. You by the way speaking to you back our. She don't want to work well. At least you try. We'll we'll seen where we do will lobbies. We will give them two weeks down. Haven't called that anything right. At everybody in the chat will please give world from suggestions acid running around but as they did the same thing as a with a twenty year relationship he got in the shower and she let me tell you right Dan. Will you break this time around? Hey Man I got bad knees man. We just sashayed. Well okay. We appreciate and we're going to do is the spice of wills marriage. Yeah we need you to try again. Well we're trying to. We've got trying to number two weeks. I figured admitting over twenty years sacrifice money with right so they have everything sounds right so we'll do two more weeks in our call. We'LL WE'LL WILCO. And we'll all give suggestions is get this thing. That's right even though he loves his wife and a great relationship we just wanted to put a dabble porn hub in that thing. Yeah right Gotcha. Well God bless I bless God bless God bless one more meeting of bananas giving Him All types. Dang Dang mistakes. If you WANNA set the picture your wife would already had some ideas when she got home. Is that a leaving it all up to yourself. Come on everything you need to win a certain point. Men Don't WanNa be the mandate houses. No more your wife. You step up gone down. How tired you are. We going to freak fest Thursday night to. Oh wow onside cash on his slut. Oh Wow what town we are back. It is never stop believing yourself believe in you. It is filled with Friday city Janus Friday February twenty first twenty twenty seventeen minutes at the welcome back Sean. Harvey Morning Show featuring CJ offer co host Barbie Wig more than started right when you place on Earth where you get your morning Star Trek. This is weird and get you more. Love to chat room was wide open. Please call five zero nine eight six now. Five zero broadcast live on Radio. Dot Com iheartradio Shaw them on the show dot com county warning radio and facebook lie. Please like in Cheddars city. Real quick briefly pundits givers targeted because it does give us a little city love personality in this region. I said that I said that. I said that can't dispute it if you want. Come see me up in Bethlehem Pennsylvania where we broadcast from daily. It is currently twenty five degrees going up to a high of thirty nine and it will be. Sonny's maybe can catch a little bit of that warm in New York City. It is twenty five degrees and they're going up to a high of thirty seven so it will be sunny there today as well in Orlando. It is currently fifty two degrees Going to a high of fifty seven and it will be cloudy in Hotlanta. Thirty four degrees going up to a high of forty six and it will be partly cloudy and in Los Angeles. It is currently fifty five degrees going up to a high of seventy five and it will be mostly clear and sunny so shout out to everybody out there. That is the weather that we have let us know what the weather is. Like where you are city Jay. Thank you so much and well set before we shut out a shot room and shopping and they would sink a big event. We got two events coming up with the one on Mondays. We are going to Brooklyn. Cj why are going to the Barclay Center CJ? Whoa Friday April seventeenth. Why is your comedy show with just hilarious? I love for angry. Davis love him. The World Famous Monique. Why on this j. One by mail? Risen Michael's watt opening with Ross one week? Ob the building. I have in cash me thirty dollars. The ticket is thirty dollars. Ya All that all of them have been speaking. Hey this is what this is a lot more. Comedians will be added. No disrespect job and they listen to. Do you want the our beat air out? Then I'm there now. I pick up the physical ticket next week. Mike Kidnapped Bird Lover. I'll pick up the physical get back in town but I suggest your cash at me when when I go to tickets from Barclays disbursed and I'm going to be in the Bronx Prentice Holler at me. It'd be right down the block from Princess Clarksville boss. I will be here. Come on I think they have wheelchair accessible there. He's good everybody we bring. We're bringing Allentown Bringing bringing the Poconos we bring in Jersey. We bring in New York. We all have our old section. The ticket is only thirty dollars. Act Dope you'll have to give you the thirty dollars money. You Act gone ticketmaster. They're gonNA charge twelve hours so you thirty dollars forty two so I got know I got you know cash at you. Cash out the song him on the show with the cash out as a off night. So get your tickets. We all go into the Barclays Center. Saying that's Friday April seventeen. Plenty of time. Get your out there you gotta right now. I national nasty was completely over the arena. The arena completely sold out last. You cut so get you bobby and few of US would be backstage were boss. Showing WISCON- Co branded t Jackson sending. He's on the show and he's calling in. These are all my favorites in. Ej Alessio Brandon T. All these stars will be calling in this show closer to the date so please hit me up for the ticket is only thirty dollars math. That rep is also and then only thing grit. Michael's the host he recordings. He's promoting this this his vint right a black man who rented out the whole Barclay Center city own resort out. That's right so money is how he's GonNa call in. This well loved everybody. We all going as a group city. Jake that's right. Got The ticket. Hit me up. Get the ticket now clearly before they hit me up. Joe Shaw Ticket Fifty Dollars. Now oops when he's saying like I'M GONNA MEET WHIPPING. Outta town next week following. I'm GonNa meet him at the Barclay Center where I could get the physical tickets but I want to send me the brand. I'm telling you right now. This is how this is GonNa work. I would get the ticket but weapons rip is all over the place. And I'm all over the place is seventeen. Cj Sean Harvey Morning. Show wake up team Sidney J bobby. Cologne would be in the Dow so exciting various on my favorite people brandon t Jackson. When do they have Senate now arena wants to know? When do they have to get the ticket by now arena? You're going to be there girl. My son coming baby show up so much fun. I can't wait who come one out. Cash Abbie Hoffman. Or this buying my outfit at this week and actually just catching up our cash at the input your name one foot comedy jam s Harvey Warner Show. You could do that. I see we are back. Where shot off the room looking at my mom's should we cash at the money? You're not going city. Was there in the places completely sold out. Uk Did a great job on is fascinating. American man. Put Down opinion on this same rebel. Social matter of fact there's a new report on rebel soldiers. They Update Mama citizens. Okay thank it was two made the newspaper ad for it. How Bolivia rebels forced if Terry word sitting? We are going to shout out the Chapman. I'm going to show them. Some love is sitting at the we. Show them some love. We're GONNA announce the chat room number of the week. I think that's what we're going to do on this action packed. Show Oh my gosh now. My Mom's we talked about her going all this other stuff on. I'm Jay Rose Has D. Davis Ray so funny because I I want to get a picture with him but we'll go see you'd be backstage attaching since my accidentally slip following somebody off. Yes now blessed coach update. Now hold on before you update is remembered has enriched of Richard Nine our beloved notice. Gothi yes and you did the right thing. He run around internally selling things on on Intergroup without axe purchase a commercial and he did it the right way and he and he also blessed us with merchandise. And we talk about Richard. Every day and I want everyone please to visit a Richard Nine Wolf Nation Apparel and support his movement again. This is another African American man just like Kelly from Whose Purchase Commercial Kelly Pharma dies unlimited. Same thing let's support each of the right way which we saw demob shadow call is calling Cohen. That you've got snow on the new product. The market You guys being love. 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Let's yeah Richard will go to a whole `nother level with the city and he's taking those woods he's taking his whole brand he's going to pick it back what we do. I love sending. We are going to shout out the woman this folks in Chevron pause everybody of you never met Princess We'll all April seventeenth you will. That's right that's exciting. That's right so have we want to show Sydney. But I'm going to pose ring here city. Hold on everybody's show sending Jason La City J. Lives this topic. Well sitting their own second. Hold on you're sitting there wasting your time. You have some talent. There's room for no talent like Cindy J. C. I'm glad I love Bobby. Withhold doing hold on I love of God blesses God's got more companies by this thing. They'll move without you shine show. Harvey Morning Show. Wake up to you this. Hold on before you talk. We dedicate the show Friday to listen. God bless lash an electric channel under Shanghai. Wait a minute God bless Oh. 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Now I'm a have everything organized I gotTa meet Rip for the Physical Young that this and the money. I'm going to meet with with the physical ticket next week. I got you. Just send them money. Because it's going to happen is you'll send the money. Then the taking tickets gone. And then I'm GonNa tell you right ticket on bump up the fifty dollars and they'll chicken mass is going to be sixty seven thirty dollars. Seventy five dollars. We can show on organizing everything with rips out of. He's running around. I'm running around. I got to meet him next week. For the physical. Pull of the ticket this. We need the physical analyst on this. You know. There's no list on this to Sean. Harvey free. It ain't none of that. You're going to get the physical ticket at some point. This is none of that and then what I'm GonNa do is when they the ticket. I'm GonNa work hard enough to where we can all sit together or you know just people can sit of course if you buy four tickets. You're going to sit together. I'm just trying to the whole group to get together so we're pet subpoenaed one hundred to two hundred people so yeah I would. I would like to say that we deal with the boat ride Simeon money. I'll give you this cinnamon. We get my mom. Why is the price going to bump up? Because that's what they do mom you you're GONNA be thirty dollars a day. Oh come on the week of the ticket price there. It's going to be subject to change going to do that. Which is led us rep and understand that this is African American. That read at this. This is his third year doing this rep so the net up so what we do is we are going to announce the chat room that we we've never done it this late in the show which we had our listeners made the show today and thank you yes we got started. What was the largest? That's right? And then it went from India right. Thank you Heidi. Thank you will has the borough who else called. 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That's what the latest we'll practice the frenzy world trump suit. The all came from the booth table shape massage kings island cat but never first class a little genetic. Can't see I got a nice coincides. Hey stats which would think if you for listening when you're your own got somebody to show up in the way like Spam Voice Citizens Party swatow bringing the Alabama. Musk taxed on the phone. Can't stop. Stop Fresh Jeff tracks with that jump shot? Y'All got to go get that now. It's probably out everywhere right now. We're GONNA leave but city remember last week the event and I'm proud of the events that we have yeah businesses always one right as far as on Kistler and thank God and I've made mistakes and businesses so now I know how to do things right and we had Alvin at the rebel social. Yes right which we let ninety percent of the vote century because they were paying for right. That's why I gave the tickets right. There probably castle show. I came out of my pocket. Log Chink productions and we still have the show. Because I still wanted aren't what we were doing. And it was part of me that we had to cancel the show because I I had to pay because we let her we do by the in for free so you can see quagmire right but my belief in what I do for a living supersede all of that and Chink deduction was glad at a grateful to find us at the jet court. People came out and they had a good time. Remember I wasn't there. I was in Connecticut because if I didn't do that show. There was threatening me the lawsuit right and I sorta pitches filtering in on social media and everyone was having a good time. So I'm truly blessed but the social workers in my Shea right so now. The news came on in the news down here. Hot halley right so city just equip because at the end of the news is affecting us right now right so we want to talk about it real quick right and I think everybody will come in now and I know Valley Tom. I don't like jet for me to do what can we do? We do we do now and she had retired. Yes and I appreciate everyone for. How could you if you don't mind this one quick story disciplines relatable to what happened to us last week yes well? It is in the news off. Y'All WanNa take a look ballots you know. As South Bethlehem hotspot for nightlife abruptly closes in landlord slash tenant disputes. We do rebel social which opened in November of two thousand eighteen at two seventeen. Broadway's shut down about two weeks ago. Round Valentine's Day all signs with business were removed Wednesday signs posted on the building's front door stated closed. But no trespassing video surveillance recording. There was also a letter dated October. Twenty third two thousand nineteen from attorney Gary Brienza stating his client. Greg solemn Mani you know him. That Shaun's friend was taking possession of the building in a legal dispute with T. B. S. venture. Lc that's the duke. Which owns rebel. Social right okay. Salomone who owned and operated the club Broadway social totally valley live dot com. Financial issues are plaguing future. Businesses with way are plaguing future business with his tenant Jay Patel who own that's J. and Priscilla Owen. Who came here who rank love Yasha? They hired her to be the general manager of the club. Righty over gossip. That's that group right. Oh my goodness Salamanca. Tens there was a default on the lease agreement They did not immediately respond to message request on the businesses facebook page for information. A female manager Celo who answered the phone Wednesday at a number listed Rebels said the business could reopen but admitted. There were issues that needed to be ironed out before they can move forward for now. She said the club in restaurant remained closed to the public and Salamone said he's searching for a new tenant to occupy the space so if anybody's interested in running club contact sal ammoniac You know they're saying that Broadway social time had to temporarily shut down in order to satisfy a Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board crackdown which included a freeze on its liquor license. The property also was the scene of various arrest by police and the liquor control enforcement agents over the years running. These incidents include but are not limited to stabbings weapons. Fight Alcohol Service to minors stay. Elise salomone said Wednesday. He calls Broadway social to spend more time with his family and disputes. What is described in the conditional licensing agreement? He also wanted to avoid a lengthy court battle that would derail the sale Broadway social and the pope in the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board went on to sign an agreement that required the liquor permit to be placed in safe keeping So yeah that's basically so everybody know what it is dispute. We Abba nothing nothing to do with us. Yeah Okay Right. Rishaad Patches Coxswain good revel so Dang Brennan tells you even though so in the next few weeks we have no place but that's what it is. They was a dispute financial the rebel see Cassini. But this place has been calling it open. Why Kusaeni the Lehigh? University is right around the corner from rebel soldiers and a lot of young kids come in their underage andy not zone they did not enforcing the policy of the state. You can't serve liquor on minors. Yeah says not with us. Grown folks has everything to do with the with the young folks. You have to police that. So they bring undercover agents and to force the law. And that's why the trouble J. Worthy Cause of young people don't either be paying like what what are you catering to these young folks an ankle so we wanted to just put that in the bed for let your nose really born one. And that's actually what I shared that when the whole situation went down a week ago right so that's it. Yeah we appreciate every week. We ten o'clock we appreciate each and everyone sitting. Where can they find? You guys can find Barbie Cologne all over the place you just have to type in Barbara Cologne facebook instagram snapchat. She on their look for her semi Whitney. You guys can find me at J. on facebook. Sani underscore Jay on instagram and sending Jay on snapchat to eat as a three. I appreciate all the love that Sean made you guys give me I appreciate. It was fake the richer crazy. I can't take a Monday morning. Willison we got the one and only I ramble on earth. Incredible Shire from the Funky for calling in four plus one more four plus one more one of my heroes would be calling in Monday at either event. Something really special for us that the number one without shower rock. You wouldn't have none none of your famous rappers. Female wouldn't be without her salon. We're posted in chat room a shamrock for because Monday also announcing they'll do all ahead to. Yes we're going to hang out there for the whole entire weekend. Yeah so all our new people come on in and enjoy this. I'll put the inflammation inputting cash after kitchen of tickets for the April fools at the Barclay Center city. We're close the show with jump. Shot without beloved will tracks. Thanks for showing US so much love. Tricky Charlotte a tricky Louis. Then the super tracks team tricky now with down with tricky knows. We'll track. Sir Gregory Young. What the Hell was in good morning? Good by Gregory Goodbye Young. I just we all have a good weekend. 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