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I'm Black and Can't Speak Japanese

The Black Ones

58:53 min | 8 months ago

I'm Black and Can't Speak Japanese

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We like to call a variety of nothing but comedy. Yeah so pretty much. What we'RE GONNA do is turn your pc into a non pc talking about sensitive topics. If you know what I mean. Those that are making America. Soft again yeah. We're GONNA. We're GONNA have interrogation sketches done up like radio style shows back in the fifties with narration and sound effects. There'd be sat in a series. So you're not gonNA WANNA Miss Not one. You know what we're covering all spectrums we're not just GONNA be one-sided podcast for comedy is make you uncomfortable. We're not doing our jobs and just remember. Don't ever take a serious. It's comedy could see. Joe was welcome to another episode of the Black Ones Yet as quarantine one of our skyrocketing screwed up right now so you notice that I usually do my episodes with Steven Michaels Aka Robert from our show. The black bones corentin man got stuck at home. So yeah I gotta go solo man. My boys die here. Stephen is not here SME- Gel so anyway so first of all I WANNA say yo. Yo crazy out there. Make sure you stay safe. Stay indoors day the fuck at home understanding. Stay at home. Wash hands were you may ask toilet. Paper don't know what the fuck do whatever you want to do with that. But make sure you just stay the fuck at home even if you think that you will never catch it is just a matter of fact that you don't. WanNa pass it to somebody else over folks who were passing away every single day and a black people yes. I'm talking US black people as black folk the corona as really hitting us. What do you call it the hype pretensions to the diabetes? All that shit man. The Cronin's is like yeah. I'm GONNA crush on the black folks now. So the chromosome right now. Chronic illness right now man people to know that Shit so yo. Please start eating healthy. Do we gotta do cut the grease cut whatever whatever it is is going. Oh man the hypertension get away from the salt. Whatever it is man just to this little breaking krona virus gets over please but this is Bush. Podcast 'cause going here. Steve is dot here. So you know I gotta I gotTa do this by myself but Yao got to have a special guest today or she's not really a special guest she's only only guests stuck in court team. Milady. Europe said she's only guess. I can't go out there and we TAP Bellotti else you've Dell so she's the building. We're GONNA do some things today. She GonNa Talk to. Y'All today because we better do protecting the house every single day you know. Hopefully you all enjoy a mob justice. Can you hear me yes? We can just test. We can hear you perfectly. This is Ari his lady. Yeah She hasn't been on podcast. She's really used to podcasts. Or anything like that. Matter of fact she don't like to get out in the opening like that and do that and just store shit out there like that. You know what I'm saying. Is this usually me Steven? Thank you know we interested we guessing shit that expect this but right now. I'm throwing her on a bus. She has no idea what the hell's going on. I just want to you know. Just somebody to talk to. We're bored quarantine life. You know what I'm saying so so remember until the terabyte what you do would you like to do? I'm cooking now. Clean the house. No that's that's what you do. Now what's your profession? Though my proficient first of all tell him what's your ethnicity. I'm Jay Jay Jay. Jay Jay Jay Japan Okinawa Japan from Okinawa Okay which is another. It's what can I was in Small Island Island off the coast of Japan Hawaii. Right right nice Sunday ago. Okay okay so what are you? Are you Japanese Okinawan? With what do you prefer? Jeopardy's Okinawan or is it Okinawan or Japanese or is it all one Like a Chinese and Taiwanese you know Taiwanese proof who say. I'm Tony's in Chinese prefer MTA knees so Go with getting along. So you're so you're Okinawan. Yes very interesting. Which already knew that? But they don't know it You know so I'll see you open our import it. So what's the difference between Okinawans and Japanese? I'm sure if I want to hear that. We festival or dialogue Order Dialogue we speak Japanese. But we have Okinawan dialogue. Oh Sodi sliding Taco people don't understand what we are saying. Language Emmy Okinawan dialogue like black. You've got proper black ghetto black so the language is different. Dialect is different different. Parts of the country. Different parts of State. Wherever you go different hoods but still black though but different dialects. You Speak Hood Report Paul Purple There's no I said black. No not produce POPO black and purple back now okay. So y'all y'all right now. Y'All getting a little bit of Some Japanese dose Milady. We've been together like twelve years. Thirteen thirteen years somewhere runner. Yeah Corentin time. We forgot kidney by. Keep track of the days. Today's Friday. Oh or you just raised in Okinawa. Have you been all over the place or what? Sei visited Tokyo or Saka Shapur. Maybe should we talk? Oh Shit Roger Coup. Yeah no south suburbs when we call it but yeah so for you out. There don't know myself was raised in Japan. Ten years you down speaking of Japanese you had been there for ten years minute bus. No what no I know. I know the I know the street language. I can get street with Japanese. You don't saying I was there for ten years but I mean we're spoiled with high school kids but we wasn't trying to learn Japanese time because we're spoiled the train stations signs everywhere signs American. Everything's in English so you don't have to know Japanese. You know what I'm saying. So I know that sporadic jeopardy. She's like the basics. Don't when it got though wishy don't things like that and I know a few nasty words owed by a Mongol speedy. He was I duNNo. Opium was beep beep. Oh okay okay. Now nobody knows. Nobody knows breezy not beat Japanese words. School you could say Japanese in the medical note that say oh pie but this is the American. This is on American soil. So they're not gonNA beep it because nobody don't not here by Japanese. We're all good beat men. She's kind of concern. But that is kind of funny to see something in Japanese and Beep Beep beep on you. Yes so it's kind of funny my lady. She's a Okinawan in Japan. Ten years. So it's not like we met in Japan but we met here in California but fortunately Wolfram Japan yes Alexander from Japan. My Dad was in air force. So you you know. I know pretty much more about the mainland and she do. She knows about Okinawa. I know about the mainland. Tokyo Kazaa kicked it at twenty four seven Tokyo Hood. But so by me. So what's up so narrow by where you from wants to tell them what you do. Maybe what's your profession? What is your profession? Sayyari Cayenne her name? Emma has focused on doing this business for says. How long have you been here so simple? I say that quarantine three weeks. How long you been here solace before to quarantine you longtime time? Twenty years to to visit to what to. Dizet that you did it to did it did it. To did the hell nat nine years to two. Digits wanted to to digital ten fifteen twenty twenty bucks to numbers right side by side to number along side. Okay yes twenty years. We'll go twenty some years you've been you've been here for longtime mom used to be a superstar in Japan pair right. Used to be a superstar a superstar. You tell me Fox used to I remember. You showed me some pictures where it used to be on stage. She used to be on stage. Doing some hairstyle shows and stuff like that where she was like Online show apple. She's ever Afro to people that know she had apple only later would like an Afro role. I'm talking about twelve inches up twelve inches to the left to the right twelve inches and she had a apple. I'm not talking about a week. I'm talking about Afro. Yeah how many Japanese have you seen? What Afro but some Batard? Oh I was like Afro interesting but then I and say you did and I can do with Afro. You cut it in. Braille was happy after you cut that Shit Bahir Afro for the Hell Japanese. You'll need walk around apparatus. Black folks lead Elmo he tries to you trying to have you here better than Blackhawks. Maybe Japan you know people people Trying different things. They have straight nice silky hair but they WANNA have wavy hair like occasions. You Know Ron Hair you know there are about all over the place Japanese all over the place. Yeah Yeah Talk. Show style retro. That's really people really nice dressed. Whatever go a little shopping. They dress witty. Nice Japan is it's all about looks they they want to express their Lok so I was Doing hair for a long time and then my boss okay. Let's do Afro and the people there a lot. Maybe how long? How long do you let your your girl before it got to the Afro? Like how long did you hear grow? Because you had a Lotta here when I first met you hear. It had to take a long time. I had I had long enough to pull my hair and You know make it make a courtesy so when she was on stage back in Japan she When I saw a picture of her with the Afro and I guess she's pretty much. He's pretty establishes the hairstyle. So she was. She was doing shows in Japan and on stage in cheese. The with the Afro Sean. Her skills that was crazy. Nice thank you WanNa get you today here in the states because you have skills like that like you need to you need to in corporate at here. You need to get your your own show and do that again sometime because you you commanded the stage. That was crazy I was like. Oh my goodness everybody's watching his Jedi Afro. And she was cutting other folks hair on stage like a like a fashion show. Everybody does now. So what do you like about cutting here? Maybe what do you like about a bit hairstyles and making people happy? That's my priority. Friday people's on Rye make people happy. That's that's because you've been doing for a long time like some money they make. That's everybody's dream John. Thank you know. It'd be established net net being enhanced? That as you know you have to make good money of something day. You ity love and enjoying right right. Make some make money at what you love to do which is thereby street. That is true into my clients about Shit every day. You Talk Baba talk now. People People Canal Open Apple and some some people cry. No they crying to like counseling just cutting here and in color hair you know. They're part of family when a lot about like about your clients is that they're so dedicated to you like the offer. You things I mean. This just CR- even during this quarantine time Dada time even during the quarantine. Tomor now you've got your clients like hey if you need help. We're here to help you. This a Nadan out. Your clients are so dinner so nice. Now they're nice to meet to loyalty you. Listen to podcasts. And she cut show hair yell. Thank you and thank you for being such a great person. Thank you for being dedicated. All that other stuff. Yeah big shot off co clients. Maybe I I guess I do more do a good job shit. I'm telling you Dan just cutting hair when I go to visit. Your clients was nice to be on. Like don't even know me like who's this black new coming here with rates twisties. They all know me so they know my personality know everything so fans got fan. My clients owe US House. He has a podcast coming down and asking about you. Yeah that's so good so supportive this is. Let's just say you know you're kind of part of family. Yeah but now I'm cutting What plants hair I have? I have indoor plants flower plants. Quarantine Vipers keeping you busy. So I'm taking care of my plants hair right right right to cut. Brown spots paid them. So I guess Flowers she's cutting plants is that it couldn't hear she couldn't help these plants given bleached their hair dog greens. But I can train that. Would you give them? They're frozen in Perm and I have. I have like a little Afra- looking to pick the weather becoming a browns. I had been cut them. Yeah so looks Kinda Nice. So she's actually looking these plans right now. Trying to figure out hairstyles to these plants eight. Yeah ooh that's part of my job so tell tell the folks how how's your. What about your your your folks. Your parents live in Japan. My Dad and Mom Dad. Same Age seventy three and my sister for A. I can't say it's cool younger than me. She's survived breast cancer. Oh Yeah and she survived Six Year now yeah. She's good c can drink and smark you know what maybe tell them. Monkey you took him. You took Seattle she. We took her would vegas Seattle all it plays your mom or she freaking loves America. Your mom loves America. Eats everything my mom is funny. Remain calm my my Yep she comes here cleaning everything. She's like straight traditional profession or professional Japan. So when her mom comes here is so funny she so little. She comes here in his last week. Yeah that little hunchback always tell her to streator back on the wall so she can straighten that shit out. You want to keep your back crunch like that. That's up to you whenever like eighty but she comes here and she every time she visits she comes here and wake up in the morning and she's cleaning the whole house cleaning. Everything is just so organized. Oh City yes she got some kind of OCD cleanly. She was telling me what the hand what in the hell you cling. Last time all came black. The MOM was saying me forty. The flow was black. I'm sorry my boyfriend's a bright black quiet. This is my house. She workers black criticized. Could criticize would crazy side criticize or criticise everything? She criticizes every think. Oh she's a critic she's everything. Yeah everything that I do everything. She criticized everything. You do Yeah that's that's that's all good mom. Does everything everything. She pointed what I do. Yeah she does. That is so funny. I'm am adult now. You don't have to tell me all this theft you know. She's Asian Japanese strong lady. She did it she did it everything for us everything. Make money and taking care of two kids after. My Dad is crack ahead. Maybe it is not a kid for me on my is Yeah he didn't crack not crack but he was. Yeah yeah that's that's kind of crazy. 'cause you're she trust me out all the time I mean. It's so funny. How after August crooked straighten it out and she get mad at you ask for having a quick rug and they show a shower is pointed at a at a head to push us. Every every morning she puts a shower. He ate in the same spot every single morning. It's just turned to the left. I'll ever Food remember Oh mom. I Lo- my lizzy than than she was pissed. So we're on. It's Donald Situation. Johar people listen. This is like say we're quarantining. We're just kicking it here. So hopefully you're guzzler and join our conversation here. We just talk in San so her mom. She's the type kind of traditional were if if she's fed something if she's fit something she makes sure every chrome cranny is off the plate. Like if you leave like a freaking half a teaspoon on a plate she will go nuts or she'll take it off your plate eat it. She makes sure if you have like five plates on a table by people were eating in two people left something on the plates she will grab everything from place to eat them because in fact she don't want these nothing left you know she's a human bad Q. Yes she exactly. She's a human vacuum yet dyson baby. She's like a dyson. She's like a dicey sluggish all. The food is really good but she's so little. She is so small she Japanese so she came here one day so I cooked her. Some grits eggs bacon and stuff like that. You know some black food southern food where you want to call it. She loved grits. She loves BACON EGGS AND THEN. I think I didn't finish my plane. She was like. Oh you didn't finish. You're not gonNA finish. I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take an eight. Just suck it all up. She will not leave. Nothing on the table was your mom. I just love her. She's is is nice so you yes to you. Yes she's back to me is you've got to eat only have to eat. She make me forced to do this. And then doughnuts like a two days old donuts. We about to throw that in a trash. What what yes. Oh it's crazy 'cause you know her. Mom is like Boston doughnuts and her mom. I think it was like three days pass in that second day the second day day but not at the donors dinner for a long time. They were just sitting here. It was a long. Maybe yeah we said like three days about three days and But everybody knows today's maybe you don't keep first of all you don't keep doing what I eat now. If you get some fresh donuts one day you're not gonNA keep until two days later. That just doesn't happen but we had it on the table in a box and was about to trash it but mom before before I trust and she cut me cut me. You Kasan what you could sound like this. This is eat still your mom. This is too old or three days. All we not gonNA offer. You got pissed I can. I can buy fresh ones Nunu. You don't waste your money. Yeah yes she got mad as hell she was well. She didn't get mad she would just like she was because I wanted to throw them away. I was going away but she. She refused to listen people. She refused always some old ads. Donuts she was not going to let us throw them away. She's GonNa eat them stale ass doughnuts after three days soon she was gonna eat them to tone of C. Refuse anything away because you like a human vacuum like we said before she was not gonNa go to pass and I feel bad because I was like maybe bathrooms. Dodos the help she go to the bathroom. I was GONNA throw them out quick but right behind me. I couldn't do that. She was leaving right behind me. Make sure you know I'm not GonNa you know Trust those old as doughnuts and Al Khaimah you know I'm not gonNA eat. And she got she got really upset and then she was eating. Don T was eating. I feel bad and mom. This is not good but she's a And just eating yeah. That's that's that's that's but lever in Yoji sign. He's a Mile John. He's in Japan. So he's he hasn't made her yet. We're trying to get him here sometime. You know we'll get America's he you know He. He wants me to always go to Japan but I can't. I can't be hitting Japan every week. I just don't like flying so I can't just hit Japan. My Dad hates me either. He's just like me. If you ask people come here. I ain't going there so we just we just come here with a boat. Yeah Yeah what thirty days. Today's food thirty days. Time on a boat baby. You saw good you on a boat to celebrate the boat shoot. I'll do that. I'll take a Miller Japan. I don't like flying either. You know. Take a boat saw good. We can meet halfway. We beat on boats. We can meet or beat the middle up in Hawaii. Yeah so yes some like that. Put a yeah so anyway. My Dad is funny. He's he's thinks as a committee and he's got the thing about the thing about your dad our birthdays. We're all leaders. We are all levers folks. It's funny you maybe tell him for. Your sister's says birthday October Eighth October six on September twenty fifth my son's Dad. He's libra to September twenty. Four I got a lot of a Libra Zahran me. I don't know why so they make me not sometimes so that's kind funny but we so damn so your ex. He's a lever lever. So what the hell you caught me. Unbeliever the hey now and my dad and my sister has lieber all Lebron's leaving the hazy but with quarantine time baby. I'm glad that I have all the free time right right because I was so busy. I didn't have time to work out. Dude S. We the book like animal stuff to do so side didn't have time while. I'm working at a Hassle. Right so was hours talked thinking about myself. I need a long vacation was like in my head. Like twenty twenty. They he comes Corentin. I guess my wish is complete. I guess Kinda. We're in a weird way. Though in a weird way the krona virus happened but it was a well needed break for you. Yeah we'll need to break yet because since I've known you since you've been like a workaholic like even though you could take off anytime you want to you just don't you refuse to. Emma was taking cab clients because your clients like book like four months ahead. So it's Kinda hard for you to just take time off whenever you gotTa do it. Four months in advance or whatever but yet it's a quarantine is actually doing good for you. It's benefiting you because you needed arrest. You needed time off now. This is good. You're you're having time off your waking up every day you're confusing. You're crazy to a little bit because you're you're a money bomb. California San Diego started March Twentieth. Saw This is about what twenty six twenty two days? Yes and since I shouldn't have a makeup on says March twentieth shoes on the what two and a half weeks and then I put the makeup on After twenty days right right right right and that I endure all I Lina had to. I had to allays a couple of times to Redo my makeup. I don't really woody ten minutes runway. Seven minutes ten minutes makeup down by. Oh My Gosh. I took like twenty minutes to get right makeup. Yes so I ended a whole makeup and I. I have to cover a whole like more than half of my face with a mask. Yeah and either have time to. I had to put full makeup right right right. So people are listening she sees. Are you listening money? I last had to put makeup on and I know this happened to a lot of people out there because this is an everyday thing. Now you wake up like me baby. I've been wearing the same pants for like last twenty days. I don't think I've what's what's actually sweat pants. And A T shirt off. That's that's that's my. That's my Goddamn sweatpants baby pajamas. Whatever whatever then that's it that's all aware everyday so it's funny how you say that. So she said she doesn't put makeup on and when it was finally time to go out she puts makeup on. She's actually losing her skills or she forgot to put makeup eyeliner or she don't know how or is kind of weird crazy way friends and I were talking about on Goop tat and all my Gosh. I lost jaw eyeliner right and then she said Oh my gosh yeah funny thing. You know The yesterday She was putting I browse right. Have eyebrows has to. She has to draw eyebrows everyday to walk right right right right. She she lost to you had to do it. Yeah but you did a pretty good job though whenever I saw your when you did. Islander is pretty good. It took twenty minutes. Took like seven minutes or all makeup seven ten minutes down. You know every morning before I go to work but like the double of that time. And Oh my gosh I gotta but that's good though because some people are so used to wear makeup clunk up every day like two inches of makeup on every day and in now they're having Dir. They're realizing that they don't eat all that makeup you know. They don't need all that makeup on her face every day. You know so. People are getting used to not having makeup. Which is kind of a good thing letting her face breathe natural look So baby so another question for you baby. Your first language is Japanese correct. Yes and you know some English English. Sorry Alec. The station broken English. She goes to every Wednesday. She goes to English classes every Wednesday. She's been doing that for telling you be going to classes baby Thanks says two thousand five exactly and I can't tell lick I don't see that at all she everyday she's talking about. She goes e classes on Wednesdays every single day last twelve years and somehow her English is getting worse for some reason. Not Worse is in bad bad but you know she Japanese so that's her name on languages. Japanese which I understand but if you go to an English teacher for twelve years you're should be speaking fluent English right now but somehow it's not fluent right. Now cannot be affluent. You can't be fluent your. Your friends are fluent English. Guy Friends that are desperately like normal fluent but this is funny baby. You take classes every Wednesday but baby. Is that your best friend. Or are you like learning? Are you guys best friends? Because I noticed you be exchanging gifts you and you're you and you're supposed to be going there. Every whizzy training understands me. Yeah exactly but it cracked how I said Grandma wise and speaking. But I've never seen that whole or you don't do. I'm learning conversational but I don't see you. You don't bring homework here. You'll do homework. I don't see you practising. Abc making money and they Forgot to do that. Audit for homeworks. But maybe you have brought homework home in ten years. I haven't seen you brought all you know what I seen. I seen homework attended up because I I'll get bored and they maybe did this. And then grandma they mean that because what you gifts or you've seen attics. Johnny English like lost interest. But Yeah maybe twelve years ten years. Thank you lost inches long time ago because all you bring cakes and gifts home and you exchange gifts to her you give her free cuts. She gives you free cuts. Whatever it is is there's no I don't think there's no learning going on with you. Guys were best friends now. T. Cell how you doing corentin if you need help like of Finance Sherry and let me know teachers at the school. Yeah Yeah I have to Studied more grandma and then do homework which I didn't do for a long time. So maybe what you're seeing. Is that as long as I make money? I'm good you better learn how to learn you better. Learn you've been learn. What the Hell you you understand about me. Because I'll make money God damn it. What she does what. She's in She yeah she makes the money like yell. I learned my English. What I getting my gifts. F- I'm tall re do that. I'm not going to do the classes. I'm lacking the English classes. Still go there. I have maybe forty percent of I gotta do this. I did I gotTa admit that a study English more. Not but you're like Yo Wadi to study English learning English when I'm making money already without knowing one hundred seating just be honest maybe she's like Yo. I'm making so much money in fucking the stage right now. I don't have to learn English. I can get by with what? I'm learning what I got right now but sometimes I gotta sit back like UK office. So now it's all good. She knows English. This is this is. This is a comedy. Podcast comedy anyways. That's all good many important baby. Oh yeah that's how I all. That's actually rose though Shiro. You've Zeros at the money Yeah so what do you like doing his time doing spare time. Besides the plants dead Doing more walk out because I saw my clients. Hey listen yeah I WANNA see my sexy body and to do that. That's funny it's funny. Because I'm I'm tripping right now because I'm the one that works out every single day when gyms with open I'm going to gym every single day four days a week yet this quarantine. I've been so sedentary don't do shit. I worked out twice in twenty one days. I'm just taking advantage of this time off because I've been working up like the last twenty years without time off so I'm cool but it's funny how you Or getting better during his quarantine time and working out when I get pissed before never workout remember. I always get mad at her. Because she's worked hard but never worked out but now corentin she working every day and I'm not working out so that's kind of funny. How you fucking killing it right now. Maybe you order. I do I do Dance Cardio staff and but woke up eggs. You Know Yeah. Show the bag. I WANNA have a sixty bag so we can show art. Mysexy sank songs back. Okay okay so why. Anhil you working so hard right now when I've been trying to get you to work like this for like years and years and years. So why is it taking the quarantine corona virus for you to work out like this? When I've been tryin my best to get you to work like this before corona virus. You never worked out three days in a row has status south physical work right right. You Know My towers twelve hours stunned. The APP all day did as that. And it's it's putting physical work study up all day really tiring after work and the next day. My I guess I used Energy work. I did it you know. I used to do To Thomas Week you're right Ri- you're so work out but you know getting busier busier busier every year. Poor people getting old and then yeah energy. You know how you're GONNA put the energy or making money right exactly so you slow down on a workout. But she was making a lot of money. But listen. Are you saying it whatever quarantines times back when quarantine is over with are you going to like quit working out you go back to make money or are you going to incorporate this workout do boss right? Yeah you think you will do that. You build one. Try that way but you do it. That's why maybe This is that time that you know you have to manage your time. Right right in a High. You'RE GONNA make know my Money and do yourself that all about the time management so. I have a book to kind of Terry me. That how you can do all that stuff. it's an and you will be able to in corporate what you learning right now into your routine after the quarantine because it's pretty good. I'm I'm excited for you waking up in the morning. I see you in a liberal working out already. I'm like what the fuck where does come from. I kinda WanNa you know. Make image the picture you're going to do after Cohen tee time wise and I can't pick one goddamn weep. You know I try to the other day I tried to do the cardio stuff but it's just hard to as the house is really hard especially you didn't work out at home. Yeah I've been working Ou- at home says what You are. You are teaching. Teaching had to walk out of training. You know train train you on a survey I don't use you. I like my body ladies headed A. Let's try this and then pumped up. Booties for you. Don't know too personal train for seventeen years off and on and ice train her at they. Then do you been doing? I says you are fifteen personal training and a pink tank muscles hanging now now. That was a personal trainer for a while so I'll training her a matter of fact. I took her out a gym. I started training here at the House. And Yeah so it. Just kind of funny. How she just said drop me. I guess I was too hard or something too hard on you. I don't know but she said Fuck me just dropped my ass makes you know she watching workout videos and shit baby could do better nasty you know. And now she's now. She's she's offering rolling on her own now like. I'm like damn showing listen to me no more. What the Hell is in some of the day? You're watching videos and shit. I'm here sit on the couch. Like maybe do the squats squats. Get onto resistible. Maybe do this. What's in this jess? I'm Kinda pissed off because I used to train the shit out of you Desaguadero. But I'm just glad to see that you're on your own right now and you're just like because I used to have to push you and now you just like waking up in the morning I wake up and boom you already. You're out. You're already doing your own workout. Good job I just hope. Keep this up once you start working hard again because you know after this quarantine everybody in a mom and dad is going to be wanting to haircut would afros and you're GonNa be they won perms and dies. You'll be busy you 'cause everybody right. Now is complaining right now. They can't find their. Barbara's Baras Missing in action. Hairstylists are missing in action in knowing. You your schedule's like already five months in advance so it's GonNa be good good for two hundred clients at people that still need my help. Sup- it's more maybe like a best hairstylists in San Diego. I don't know she is Guler. She's like the best hairstyle. Nato am now on Google. You can go your name so your name is say. Ati Not. Sorry 'cause I always always say sorry every time I just don't call me and so sorry. So yeah you're you're trying you maybe baby. I know a little Japanese. Maybe yeah do you want to test me. You WanNa Test Minimum Japanese movie. Matter of fact. Let's show the audience right now. Are Right now. The Jeff. I know baby okay. All right listen people listen. I lived in Japan between so yes I do know sporadic Japanese well. I don't understand if you talk to me. I do not understand Japanese but I have my own Japanese words that I know so what I'm GonNa Tell You. Right now maybe. Since you're like Okinawan right. 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You're making fun of me right now. I know you're making fun of me. Whatever the hell it is you know what maybe I'm GonNa talk to your friends and I'm like what the Hell did you say Nimmo? Yeah I know you said some crazy shit so but anyways maybe yeah so okay so for you out there listening. Yeah I I don't know every single word like I say I can't if you if you speak to me. Japanese will not know what you're saying but I do have my words my specific words that I do know by if I go to a club or go downtown. I'll do anything in Japan. I do want to get around. Get around with my English Jackson. Yeah so anyways salary Cayenne I wanNA thank you for being my guess during this quarantine my only guess Thank you for having me here for you. Know what you might have to be my guest. Every day might be my guess every day and so yeah so again you are listening hard time right now to. Corinthian virus so make sure you wash your hands you know. I just wear your massive. You gotta go pray for those out there to pass away. A black folks healthy man. Just stay inside. Got To hypertension. Everything's coming being black myself. I know that from members things like that messed up back from that so everybody we'll be back next. Say Hope you enjoyed our our combo. My guests hairstyle. Sarah Cayenne my lady. I this catches call job ricker written by me. Arthur Johnson also played a lead. Larry a police. Detective and the Deputies Septimus Sayyari is played by Sarah so Sit Back. Enjoy this crazy comedy about a job. Rigor ENJOY LARRY. Police detective working on a case to Tom. Office sirens blaring runs through the doors like VAT out of him up to the window with his hand over his mouth in the team because he just lost his team to which ripple layered job breaker say are in Japanese. Perceptionist talks key not the phone. Anita Share Your Business. Lose vary shows perceptionist badge a free pass. He OPENS HIS MOUTH IN DYING LAGGING. Briefly observes his mouth in calmly. Continue to talk on the phone and Nice dog high dictate kinky plate Masuda Cut Guga but a Golden Matthias Hullah translation. Some crazy copy. I just came into your saying. It's an emergency yes just mouth. Looks like a black hole Bhuttan. Your rule within the recession ignores him and continues to talk casually on the phone. What does she know? Sing my need. And this guy has inventories inside this translation. Yes he's right here in front of me. All of his teeth are missing. Yes in the translation Larry Digs in his pockets in throws his bloody teeth on account. Bit Booth oop one of them. It couvert him. My Pew took them a ticket essay key. Might as the countdown went out on this translation. Wait I am looking at all of his teeth. Now moved over BOO POPE COOL ON ROAD OR DIM. Do d'oeuvres. Oh Day Juicy Jenny. Bean killer new new keys now. 'cause YOU HEARD END. Sikkim thank you Glenn Okada Dini be no Kadarshian grandma. That's come up denies. 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You have to start from the back. Warm Not Herbert Foxton here. I'm an African American. For God's sake you have eaten can read. We don't have sauce magazine. Oh Turpin from Ray v from from you if you call them black Very on black. Someone stole our so's magazine Carey has heart. I've responding to that goal team. Do you have any games complain MY MOUTH GROWING WE GO? Larry runs up to the counter near you. How we were put bound for your main sad story are p Phillip but saying sorry in Calico polite in rude stream time now. I'm not leaving to give my mouth. Exc got it. No My name is only math. Barbie but Faye Faye Saudi lesson. Already move Friday. I mean not your name me fry curling me to go and run on Gordon Anywhere Pervert Lori for no sir. A Japanese game code goal to receptionist point set the table. See Larry looks back. He sees the game on the corner of the Table Bay. He feels so stupid. He calmly sits down group. You know I'm sorry I didn't get your name robbery Larry. Did you fill out the form I gave you party no pun intended? But I'm on it now are have a killer. I need to get coup. That being thin he must larry picks up the medical assessment for why our beef born in Japanese Dabney's dentist's office. Gary has time to look around. He's just now realizing he wandered into a Japanese dentist to saw this. Oh you turn the in report entertain. Y'All some more peace out.

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Target USA -- Episode 189 | The Fog of Espionage Part 2: Cuba -- small country, perhaps the most dangerous spies

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Target USA -- Episode 189 | The Fog of Espionage Part 2: Cuba -- small country, perhaps the most dangerous spies

"From podcast one previously on target USA an explosion of spies three or four million can happen number work for China unprecedented Russian activity to collect information about denied states more than one hundred countries working here looking big problem American agents abroad. I looked up and saw guy looking at me with binoculars. I'm Jay Jay Green Join me on the next four episode so of target. USA or the fog of espionage the enemies defectors the tactics US agents secrets. You've never heard now coming up in this episode the Cubans. They've survived this long. The regime has survived this long because they're so good at collecting intelligence pete lap is a special agent with the Washington Field Office of the FBI. They develop human sources in my opinion like no one else. One of those people was Anna. MONTANEZ and lab says she was a cold-blooded spy. She was so stoic the day we arrested her. The moment we arrested her. I think she could carried us out piggyback. That's how strong she was the the full story and much more about the Cuban spying operation in the US coming up in this episode of Target USA Masson's Carrie podcast from WTO in Washington DC. This is target USA Russia could render huge arm to this country. North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States dangerous terraced DC is repeatedly mentioned some place they would like cacique an attack Cyber Criminal Success America has a target on its back and on this program we investigate against the threats the people behind them the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target. USA The national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay Green Cubans. They've survived this long. The regime has survived this long because they're so good at collecting pete lap is a special agent for the Washington Field Office of the FBI. They develop human sources in my happening like no one else and they don't develop people that do it for money back they would they would. They would be suspicious of that. They find folks. I have some kind of visceral entity in what he's trying to do what their claws is. One of those people was Ana Belen. Montes knew I knew the guy that recruited Annabella Mondays and Margarita Velazquez Enrica Garcia is a former Cuban intelligence official who defected to the US bringing along with him thousands of documents and decades of intimate knowledge of Cuban intelligence operations. I knew I knew about the Cuban government project to get inside the US government trade the US intelligence community. Here is a Spanish language number station on shortwave radio. This is how Montas his handlers in Havana communicated with her so she would receive leave two to three times a week. High frequency messages on a shortwave radio were encrypted. She had the ability to declare to the messages burnoff she would type the numbers into Cuban installed decryption program on her computer. She was very elusive he was cold blooded leaded smart and a fast riser at Dia dipping into other intelligence agencies as well during fifteen years of spying for Cuba in in the US. She was so stoic the day we arrested her. The moment we arrested her. I think she could have carried us out mm-hmm and four some perspective on how significant Cuba's spying operation in the US was and is and how important Anna the Montas was to that effort in the eighty s and ninety s we go to our conversation with Pete Lap. What off the bed would you say was the most remarkable part about that case from your perspective the pressure that we had dia when the name came to plus Anna Montas we had been looking for her unsuccessfully for about two and a half years by that point Dia Dia was convinced from the day they walked her name over to the FBI that she was in fact a spy and ultimately they were a hundred hurting ten percent right in my mind over the course of the ten months from the time. I became the cookies to the time that she was arrested. It was the challenge of making sure we had the right person. I not wanting to get it wrong and be using some of our most aggressive and intrusive legal tools against the wrong person. I wanted to make sure we had the right person. That was paramount to me. I was it was very concerned because because the I was really convinced from day one that she was a spy and they were right Yup. Yeah has to prove that and at the ended the day if we get it wrong we're going to be on the front page of The Washington Post not another agency so in my mind that was the most remarkable remarkable amount of pressure that I felt was making sure we get it right now. You said you were looking for her for two years they. Dia A had told you they thought she was a spy. So what do you mean. When you say you were looking for her do do you mean you're trying to connect the dots or or was there. Was She an invisible name. It wasn't a visible name. We had a legacy. We we call unsettled vested unknown subject investigation where we knew the. Cubans have penetrated the US government. We didn't know where we didn't know who and we were Masada going through with a picture. If you will of what we thought we were looking for and who we thought we were looking for quite frankly. We thought we were looking for a man. Cubans went to lengths to this to to disguise her gender which made sense pence because of the percentage and ratio of men verses women working in government throughout the ladies and early nineties in two thousand. We knew we were looking looking for a woman we could have much more narrowly quickly had filled in on her so we have been methodically working through this process of trying to identify a suspect pool but the great break and lucky break that we found out about our case without our permission to be frank and we got a lucky break and it was it was golden at the same time time was also there were things that we were not convinced about and we had to have this reasonable amount of skepticism like. I talked about before in terms of wanting to make sure we got right and and that was the first part of this process to put this woman in jail. If in fact she was committing as being so I would ask you what the next part was but I would assume that was catching her and I would ask you how you did that. Well I proved. It was the right person. We prove that at through good old fashioned lake work we had we were able to match through some business records that accompany gave us locally. Oy about a specific computer purchase and it matched completely a one of the strongest pieces of information information that we knew about that started the whole case off and to that does that information still remains classified but when we took this to the Pfizer is a judge and said your honor. I know you don't think this is a very strong case. However here's this piece of information from affidavit and here's the sales slip clip for the purchase that made it so there's no doubt in anyone's mind than an Montas was not the spy we were looking for now. The shift came to could we prove and catcher in the active espionage and can we prove that she was committing espionage and that might be as difficult especially. If the person is on on ice as you say and no longer committing espionage. It's hard to catch them in the act of something they're not currently doing so the challenge shifted differently. Bentley and an almost a more dramatic way to be honest with you because now when you got the right person. Could we catch them doing what we think through doing so I I read a lot of court documents and a lot of other stories about what she was doing and how she tried to conceal her activities and I ran across the piece of information mation regarding a computer Toshiba computer which she used as part of a very interesting being setup at least I've read. She had a very interesting setup to communicate with Havana and her handlers. Could you or handler. I don't know if from one or more but could you give me a sense of how that communications operation of hers worked so she would receive two to two three times a week high frequency messages on shortwave radio that were encrypted always she had the ability to decrypt the messages passages to her. They were one way from Havana. Cuba to Iran frequencies. They were anywhere from North Carolina to New England which which is not very narrow to be honest with you then she would memorize things at work classified things three things things per day that she felt that Cuban needed to know and then we'd come home inscribed them into her computer the Toshiba in at at the at the latest version of her communication plan type them up on the computer put him on a floppy disk and then encrypt them using a encryption program that the Cubans had written for her and she would hand them which which really blew our minds away hand them that disk encrypted to a Cuban here in Washington. DC area who was handling at the time in broad daylight at lunch having lawn casual Sunday afternoon I while Montas his handlers tried to protect her and keep her off the radar. Her own behavior made her suspect. There were gatherings in D. You see at various academic forums where Cuban intelligence officers would show up to do presentations. Chris Simmons was a former Coworker of hers at Dia and someone who became suspicious of her and she and other employees out there along with government other government employees and academics but in one case she louis warned she another ammos were warned that you need to stop attending 'cause you're at risk because of the Cuban intelligence officers that attend they were paying attention to what questions as you ask questions. You don't ask and simply your your mirror. Attendance is important and everyone else understood and stopped attending but she was very adamant with our investigator editor. Scott Carmichael specifically spoke to her and she told him she has the right as a private citizen to to go to these and it was for the good of the agency everything surely thereafter another part of the ice security talk to her and said you're right you had the right to attend those as a private citizen do it again as the employee you're going to be fired breath and his agent lap said she would meet openly in various locations around the Washington. DC area seemingly mainly unafraid of being caught at the end of a lunch meeting they would predetermine where they would be meeting again win and and Montas having a car Dr but being more comfortable taking the metro would leave her house. You know half hour for lunch meaning jump on the Metro and go to the meeting. Hey I'm convinced they were. They were sure that she wasn't being followed because they knew where she lived. They knew how she would get to lunch meeting and I'm convinced they were. They were making sure that she wasn't being followed by by us. How long did you follow her. How long were you did you look at her before you who actually decided okay. We have to arrest her so our surveillance we have a full investigation approved of her in November of two thousand around that time we would have been given the with a full investigation. We're allowed to do physical own source of her physically started around that timeframe and and we followed her till the morning she was arrested from her home on September twenty first two thousand one until she went to work doc and when we arrested her. Dia Ten days after nine eleven I know she lived on mccombs. Street and I've been by there dozens thousands of time looking at this co-op place she was in. Do you think that was by design that she lived there. Did the Cubans you think say okay. Okay live here. Do this do that because I understand was a co-op and you know it wasn't very much to look at now. I think I think she probably had their general channel. Attitude towards her was to give her wide latitude and freedom to live as she wanted to live. They were always concerned about her security and being being arrested by us but I don't think they would have direct turn one way to live in here versus there clearly her living off the metro provided them with an ease and ability to meet in person her preference was to have the passage of classified information be in person because the last thing she was going to do is go walk down some trail and rock creep parked in the middle of the night kind of thing that was a nonstarter for her for her own safety and I think just living in Cleveland Park and leaving that area gave her an opportunity the need to live the life she wanted to live which was more of an urban life and and and also it did collaborate and help her espionage version how she how she met with her friends she called them. I've asked a lot of questions. They got a bunch more questions to ask but I'm going to take a pause here with my questions and ask Musky you to tell me the interesting things that I haven't asked you about or may not ask you about regarding on Montezuma case so we can educate the public about what this whole situation was with this person and why it was so important and why there was so much pressure and in the context of the time you know I think I think there's two. There's two key points on it. I would like to make one's one's personal and one's professional national professional. The public doesn't really understand. I think how difficult it is the FBI to get a Fiso uh the I came to us with the name and they had her convicted that moment and they were right. We had trouble convincing the Pfizer court art that are circumstantial case was actually fiso worthy and it was someone who merited a visa. The judge actually said this is is this is this is not a strong case so a wish the public would understand how difficult it is for the FBI to get ffices and this is someone who was ultimately convicted convicted of espionage. That's number one number two. You don't work these kind of cases in a vacuum. They have lives is outside of this office at the same time. I'm working Stephen Koya working. Our career cases all the folks that worked with us. I my former wife and I were pregnant with our first son Ethan. You know we had challenges oranges outside of here that this job and a case of this magnitude way on you know my son was born. August twenty six and then nine eleven came and then ten days later we arrested her for espionage you can't look at those three things without looking at them in its entirety and and you'd have to appreciate the FBI agents and analysts and professional support work things we do and have a life outside of here. Families Commitments Husbands wives is all these things that we are balancing on protecting national security with having calamity remarkable. I spoke to another former or retired. US government employees who worked offense offense you guys are the defense and he was working with the offense and he talked specifically about the emotional stress of what he was doing so. I completely get that. Tonight is the perfect segue perfect transition to connect the two of you stress on both sides offense defense to do to deal with this. You're you're you're not necessarily home. You're thinking about the case worrying about whether she's heading to the airport and you just don't know you worrying about did surveillance that. She makes her valence. You know so you're you're very distracted especially in a case like this. You know there's going to be an arrest. Were person's. GonNa leave the country and that's a bad bad thing for for the United States that heaven so there's essentially Madison amount of pressure on both sides offense and defense so specifically specifically worried about her leaving the country the damage that she did. How much damage did she do. I think she compromise a tremendous amount of things that our country our government were doing against Cuba. They knew exactly what what we knew about their capabilities. I also it's important note that from nineteen eighty five on on the day she walked in at Ti was fully recruited she only went to dia for the purpose of spying for the Cubans and that makes her remarkable you compare compare her to Ames and Hanssen many of for her first seven years of employment at Dia. She wasn't working Cuba Shuba. She was working El Salvador Nicaragua those were to higher priorities for the US government and intelligence community and the Cubans didn't take all that I intelligence from her all that espionage and say well. That's really interesting about El Salvador and stick it in a safe clearly. They shared that with their colleagues in the El Salvador government and Nicaragua so for seven years of her espionage she was vying to Cubans and not about them and I think that and shows with you the breadth of how other intelligence services cooperate and proof that what agent laugh it's telling us is fact came from a former Cuban spy himself and Rica Garcia defected to the US in the late nineteen eighties and he shared with target USA exactly how the Cuban spy program worked wouldn't diplomacy where we were wasn't important important what country we walk in. If in Equator Mexico Brazil if in Angola Ethiopia or in Muslim big Orlando the fuss mission for any unusual working Cuban intelligence was to work against the US where again the US as you've you've already heard lap say it took two years to get on a Montanez and when they did that's when the hard work really started. It was really really difficult. I found that the stress of the ten months of the investigation with the posssibility cheated stumble upon our surveillance in the United States was nowhere near the stress of having to interact with her two or three days a week an unrepentant person somewhat certainly intellectually arrogant in the sense that you couldn't convince her otherwise I she she would refuse to acknowledge the Cuban government's flaws however however she just was adamant that the US government was worse and it became her ultimate motivation to commit espionage and I think what was more difficult for me or added to the difficult service to it was her overall paradigm when it came sue military folks that were serving in harm's way is that if she knew who they were and what they were doing she would have provided that information to the Cubans whether they were Marine Green Army soldier. Whatever and her attitude was if they died as a result of her espionage? That's that's the risk they took and that was very difficult for me to stomach given the fact that I had an served on active duty when I served in the national regarding the done enough training where these were my. He's my people my peers and it was very difficult to tolerate that kind kind of but you had to be professional because for obvious reasons but we we were testing her memory and the last thing we wanted wanted to do. We wanted to create professional environment. I think we did a very good job of doing to encourage her to remember something that happened. Fourteen eighteen years prior versus just saying the I don't remember which we probably would know one way or the other and so we try to create professional environments Mitsu Federal Salads and fruit and she had the freedom to walk around a room this size without handcuffs on we treated her as a professional professional and that was by far the more difficult part of the process for me. I would have rather gone back to investigation and done that longer. Control and debriefings were just really really difficult. She diabolical did she never smiled. It's you ever laugh. Did she. Based on what you said about her willingness to sacrifice the lives of people for her ideology ideological work for the Cubans was that was that is that how you would describe her and when describing his diabolical coldhearted indifferent and self righteous uh you know her her mindset for sixteen years was that she knew she was committing a crime and that led to a lot of anxiety led to a lot of meditation Yoga and a lot of things that she tried to do to mitigate that anxiety of committing a federal crime of which could have been punishable by the death penalty however in her mind moral issue was doing the right thing and nine describes herself as it would have been inhumane of her not to help the Cubans garlic of Puerto Green embrace life in jeopardy in El Salvador in mid eighties. I can't prove they had a meeting. I can't prove that they were sat. side-by-side talked talked about what was going on now from an intelligence perspective but it would have been negligent of Hindu GonNa also sitting down with him in that debt because he was killed in an ambush so so would say diabolical but but Cole hearted and and and anti-american and I mean she is often described as ideological and I think it's somewhat lazy because it's shouldn't get money therefore wishes ideologically motivated. I don't agree with that. She's she was anti-american. Attitude helped area the United States dictate on Ronald Reagan how another country should run itself vis-a-vis El Salvador Nicaragua Jesus Z. Rico. He's Cuban so that's more more of her. Who is the United States to tell the countries how to run itself and therefore I'm going to level the playing field because the United States is bad versus Cuba's great. They've got a great great model of rate system of government. They do great things to me. I think it was more of an anti-american sentiment which concerns me trends moving forward forward to the present day to be honest with you. Can you give me some understanding of her mood or her. interaction once she knew over at you know she was guilty and going to prison. Did she change at all so I only we saw her the day of her arrest and then the next time I saw her interacted with her was her first day of debriefing so there was probably about five or six months of negotiating back and forth where there was no interaction they she was arrested. I honestly thought that she was just GonNa Collapse. When we said Okay you're under arrest for conspiracy to commit espionage turnout. It drains why I think that perhaps a little biased in terms of gender. I thought that as a woman she was just GonNa Collapse and melt and that was wrong of me in completely wrong. She was so stoic the day we arrested visit her the moment we arrested her. I think she could have carried us out piggybacking. That's how strong she was now later on she told list that once she got to her cell she just melted and collapsed and cried and and just lost it but when was she was arrested and when we walked around right and we process her she was stoic and when say prowl but strong can in control I don't know what kind of moments she hadn't prison because I didn't. I didn't spend time with her. her debriefings when we were with her she was conscious. I described before uh not quite as strong but definitely not vulnerable and professional yet coal okay current today. What lessons did you learn from the Unan test case that are beneficial to you today. When you're in the middle of the case like this you you see the same things over and over again you can easily get into a mindset. What I learned about myself which was very very humbling was that you don't always know what you know. We were proven on once. We started debriefing briefing her enough times that I was like Oh. I thought I knew everything about Anna. Montas and you're a lot of things that I didn't. I didn't know that were pre intentionally jeopardizing so having that open mindset ability when you're working something like this was probably the biggest lesson learned from Mayo with more humbling than than a look at me we did this. It was aiding in quite know exactly what you thought you once you start talking to the person that I think is something that I've taken four through us in my career and try to impart that on other authors that's intriguing story of Anna Montanez an American who chose to spy for Cuba against the US it was told to us us by pete lap a special agent with the Washington field office of the FBI and here's one of the most interesting notes of everything. We've learned about her case her brother and sister. Tito and Lucy both were. FBI agents coming up in part. Three of our series raise the fog of espionage. What's it like to be a spy. Being spied out here on the streets is a complex mysterious existence requiring constant daily preparation anybody walking by me probably thought I was a crazy person because I'm speaking out loud citing my identifiers mother's maiden name my business locations everything about that individual. It's I call that flipping the switch and when I become that person I turn the key to his car car and I drive to the airport and I'm never anything but that person whatever alias or legend I'm doing that's who I am until I write back a cold a story of two days one day in the life of an American working as a spy inside a terror group and another as an American agent working overseas coming up in our next episode of target USA if you have any questions ends or comments send me an email at J. Green at W. T. O. P. DOT com. That's the letter j the Color Green One word at Whiskey Tango Oscar Papa J. Green at W. T. O. P. 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Target USA -- Episode 151: David Whelan speaks out about his brother's arrest on espionage charges in Russia

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Target USA -- Episode 151: David Whelan speaks out about his brother's arrest on espionage charges in Russia

"From podcast one coming up in this episode of target USA. On our previous episode. We promised the second half of our interview with F B I Washington field office assistant director in charge. Nancy McNamara, but due to a quickly developing story, we need to change topics. The second half of the MacNamara interview will be presented in the next few weeks. In the meantime, on December twenty eighth 2018, Paul Whalen, or former US marine and citizen of the US disappeared in Russia. Three days later, he turned up in a Russian prison arrested for allegedly committing espionage. What was he doing there? What was the basis for the charges is he a pawn in a political tug of war between the US and Russia? Nobody wants to see a citizen locked up in this way. You know, we're we're ten days past defect that he was allegedly spy. We have no charges officially from the Russian government that detail. Exactly what that means we in which elements of the actor they talking about. And so that it's all very concerning. The the lack of information. In an extensive interview target USA spoke with Huilan's twin brother, David and got answers to all these questions. Some of them may surprise you. But after you, listen, there will be no doubt. Just how serious this situation is coming on. This addition of target USA. National security podcast. From WTO in Washington DC. This is target USA. Russia could render huge arm to this country North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States dangerous terrorists DC is repeatedly mentioned some place. They would like to see an attack cyber criminal successful America as a target on its back and on this program. We investigate the threats the people behind them, the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target USA be national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay green this program, as you know, is called target USA. And as we always say whether its terrorists anarchist, cybercriminals or nation states America has a target on its back, and we investigate the threats facing the US the people behind them the agencies fighting them and their impact on Americans. Unfortunately, US citizens are often targeted by foreign actress just because they are American that appears to be what happened in the case of Paul Whalen. He went to Moscow from his home in Michigan in late December and hasn't returned yet. Because he's in one of the nastiest prisons on the planet known for cold showers, intense, interogations and extreme isolation. A staple of the Cold War and the KGB he's charged with espionage. Something is family, and the US government says is ridiculous. The way it all happened could easily be and I'm willing to bet eventually will become the storyline for a blockbuster spy movie. So in order to get the answers about what happened. We went to the best source. We could find his twin brother, David. Thank you again. David for joining us and for the benefit of our listeners who may not be familiar with all of the details of the story. Your brother Paul is involved in now he was traveling in Russia in December. And on the twenty eighth of December understand something odd happen catches up on what he was doing there. And what took place on the twenty eighth which you're still dealing with. Now. January ninth twenty nineteen what took place at that time on December twenty second Paul flew into Moscow. He was visiting to participate in a wedding an American friend of his former marine. Like Paul was having a wedding ceremony there and had brought over his American family and has Paul to attend the wedding as well since Paul had been to Russia a few times in the past and to help guide the Americans around the sites to sort of help them to navigate Moscow. So he was in the city. He was doing some sightseeing. He was visiting some friends and participating in this wedding party. And then on the twenty eighth after having participated that morning in it tour of the Kremlin armory with the people who are attending the wedding. He he just disappeared. He didn't attend the wedding which occurred that night and the groom attempted to contact him after the wedding was over. And there was no response from which is extremely uncharacteristic. So the groom reach out to us over the weekend. Let us know that he noted seen him or heard from him since Friday. And so we started looking to find out. What information we could on Monday morning on the twenty eighth? We found. On the thirty first I found that he had been detained. I found a Russian ministry statements aimed at Paul Whalen had been detained for espionage. And it's now been I guess almost ten days since he was detained and about a week since we were able to make contact with him at Lefortovo prison. So now, you learned about the fact that he was missing from his friend and you learn about the Russian arrest of from the Russian statement. How again did you come into that statement? How did you find that statement? I'm a librarian. So I got up first thing in the morning, and I got on the internet and started searching for things like American killed in Moscow American car-crash, Moscow that sort of thing and. Eventually came across. The news wires that were reporting that he had been detained. Would you feel when you saw that? A mixed emotions. Frankly, we were glad I was glad and Italy contacted the rest of my family that he was alive as far as we could tell so that was a positive thing. But then immediately your with the I guess horror is the best word that some member of your family's been detained in Russia on charges that are obviously very serious. And you know, the story about his arrest legendary being in a hotel room with somebody. He was charged with espionage and supposedly was in that hotel room with somebody and came into possession to the possession of a USB stick with classified information regarding people who are or were part of the Russian intelligence or military services. Do believe that story. Do I believe that he was in the possession of it? I could see how that might happen. Do I believe he was probably in trapped into having that in his possession. I think that's much more likely. I don't think Paul would have been the sort of person who would have risked. Espionage or spying in Russia. Even the experts are very careful about that sort of thing in Paul Paul listen to spy he's a tourist. And so even though he's risk-aware from his background in law enforcement and the military. I don't think that he would have willing or knowingly accepted any sort of information that would have caused him to break a law like the espionage act. What do you think he he was essentially railroad at this way? What I've been scratching my head. And we've been surprised by some of the information that's come out about Paul's background. We didn't know about his bad conduct discharge from the marines, for example. And yet each time at a rock is turned over. And we learned something new I saw that the the Russian media peers to be looking at his interest in tea glass holders on the trains, and apparently had a collection of those. You just find something that sounds more and more incredible. That, you know, whoever this person is, and I know him as my brother brother, but obviously there's a lot. I don't know about him. He's he's not a spy it terms of his travel to Russia. There seems to be some concern on your part in terms of what's being reported about it. You know, they're they're been reports that he traveled extensively in Russia. But if I remember correctly, I think you said in a correspondence a couple of days ago today being the ninth of January twenty nineteen that to your knowledge is only been there two or three times. Yes. In fact, we've been able to find a couple more times. But I think it's only still five or six that we've been able to confirm, and we're still looking to see in case he had been there more often. But for me, that's not many or significant when you consider that over the last thirty years, he's traveled extensively to many many different countries to within Europe to our relatives. In the UK. He's been to India. He's been to. I believe he's been to Japan. I know he's been to Korea. So he's he's really traveled very extensively. And so the the focus on his Russian trips and portraying him as some sort of Russophile just scenes very different from the the person I knew or even based on the the activities that he was doing that. I would have considered labeling him. Yeah. There's a lot that confirms in corroborates. What you're saying about your brother, including this development the other day where we learned that he had several different passports, a US passport, a British passport, a Canadian passport Irish. And you know, some have tried to. Some people not very well educated about spying have tried to weave that into this idea that he might have had those passports for those reasons, but the story is very different, isn't it? It is I think he had four passports under four different names and head sort of secreted them in some sort of case, I guess maybe that would be so Jason Bourne spying, but Paul and I were born in Canada to British parents. And so we were born with two passports in two citizenships. My parents had emigrated from Britain and my dad's dad had emigrated from Ireland to Britain. So when Paul emigrated to America, he was able to naturalize he wanted to do that in order to be to work in law enforcement, he naturalized, and he so he got his third citizenship that way, and then when the Irish changed a law that allowed grandchildren to get an Irish passport he thought it would be I think a way to honor his heritage. But there's it's all in his own name. He hasn't done anything peculiar excel. But perhaps to people who only have maybe one pass border or maybe only to to have four maybe seem strange, and it's interesting, David, you mention this because I think it's all somewhere that he and your sister have sort of a friendly competition regarding passports is that true. No. I don't think that's accurate. I've seen the same thing. I think the the word game was used. And I think that that's not the that's not what we meant by it or not what my siblings by it. I think when the law was changed. It was much more of which one of us could get one I between the two of them. But it wasn't that they were trying to get additional passports beyond the four that they were legally allowed to attain and I never looked to to get one myself. And I'm not sure that my brother my other brother did. So I think it's one of the things that it's just a word out of context, we didn't mean to have Paul's interest, or frankly, my sister's interest in citizenship to sound flippant or that it was not a value valuable thing. Do you know, I can imagine your parents. Are probably going through it right now. If if you don't mind me asking just for a little bit of context on how they're doing. I think they're doing amazingly. Well, we seem to for whatever reason be resilient family. I mean, unfortunately this morning, I had a contact from a reporter who said we've heard that police are executing search warrants, and and normally you would just say that's completely ludicrous. But now, I've got a call my parents and ask them, you know, is this happening, and it isn't. But you just so you're in that sort of thing where you're trying to protect them as much as you can from the the stories and the rumors and speculation and also the Frank uncovering of information about their son's life that they didn't know either. While at the same time doing your best to to help Paul into get him back back to the USA now back to Paul. What's your sense of how he's doing? The embassy has had one visit with him. That's all they've been allowed. So far the American embassy, and he sounds like he's as well as he could be considering that he's in detention. I think they've had a medical check of on him just to confirm what his medical condition is. And we were able to receive information and instructions from him from that first meeting, and that was when he requested consular access from these other three countries interestingly spoke yesterday today with Canadians and the British and they say that they have expressed interest in in the process of trying to schedule constant visits with with him. But, you know, interestingly David the word they both used or the words they both used were very concerned, quote, very concerned about your brother. What to your knowledge would be the reason to be very concerned is it because of this, obviously, you know, there's a reason to be concerned because he's he was arrested for something that you believe he didn't do. But is there any reason to believe that his life or his health might be in jeopardy? I don't think there's a concrete reason for it. I'm not saying that I want to suggest that we aren't concerned we are concerned. I think really the reason is not that we think that there's a particular reason that it could happen. But it that we have no details about why he's in there. And so the arbitrariness I think is is why we're all very very concerned about Paul's condition. It's not it's not that we know that he has under particular risk that. But that he's just under a completely arbitrary is. We don't know where whatever. Threat is not quite the word. I mean, but whatever issue he's under whatever cloud. He's underwear. That's where that's coming from. And I think that's the problem is that, you know, expand this past Paul who is obviously some rather odd. Duck assays what I've seen him described as to any American who's traveling to Russia are any British person or Canadian or Irish citizen. Nobody wants to see a citizen locked up in this way. You know, we're we're ten days past the fact that he was alleged allegedly spy, we have no charges officially from the Russian government that detail exactly what that means we in which elements of the espionage act or they talking about. And so that it's all very concerning. The the lack of information. Bencze David Whelan, his brother Paul as in Russian custody. No formal charges have been filed but rushing with authorities claim he's a US spy David says, he thinks it's likely brother was trapped and that he scratching his head about much of what he's heard about the case when we come back. We'll discuss the place his brother is being held which is one of the toughest prisons on the planet and some of the bizarre things taking place behind the scene including him ending up with the Russian speaking lawyer. I think what strange about it is that Paul is in porta and didn't have his glasses. When the American embassy staff met with him. And so they were able to translate a request that Paul could have his glasses and yet Mr. issuer Bianca doesn't speak English. And so it would just seemed to be very strange choice for someone to hire lawyer who doesn't speak his own language. That's coming up when we return. The national security podcast. Imagine the home you've always known sinking into oblivion community away of Virginia island population. Four hundred sixty is being swallowed by the Chesapeake Bay the first full fledged town that's probably going to get lost horizon. America can disaster be stopped. Should it? Be shell the Lord destroy Tien Gier going under the story of Tange ear island available on podcast one. I tunes and at going under podcast dot com. This is a target USA moment episode one the show that started it all. Almost every morning. You're in Washington directorate, national intelligence goes to the White House to brief the president about the threats and the challenges the US face it. It's called the president's daily briefing and Clamper gave us a look at his office at how he gets prepared to do that. But for three and start right away and reading the news clips, and that sort of thing get the car protective detail brings me in. And I start reading the ipad, we have president's daily brief and Clapper who's been gathering intelligence for more than a half century. This what he's seeing now is not good fifty plus years. Don't know time we've been beset by a more diverse array of challenges and crises around the world. Sometimes it all almost makes you long for the house in days of the Cold War and a single all consuming adversaries, so you which we came to understand pretty well. This has been a target USA moment episode number one down LeVine. Relive. I'm Jay Jay green in this his target USA the national security God cast on this episode. We've been talking with David Whelan, his twin brother poll, a former US marine disappeared in Russia on December twenty eighth and he's been telling us how this simply doesn't add up. That is brother is not a spy and their efforts to get him back home. Now, we continue our story with him telling us about where his brother is being held and the possibilities for him being released. One of the things that we've we've heard as well is is that he is in the four Tova prison. What do you know about that prison? I just know what everybody else knows by reputation. It's it appears to be a very nasty place to be. I don't know that I would wish it on my enemy, let alone on my brother right early. So you mentioned some time ago that there might be a chance for your brother to get out of prison on bail of you heard anything about that. No. I've just seen the accounts that were in the press that his lawyer has filed motions on his behalf and that apparently avail motions part of that. But I'm not sure how that would work and considering that we have no information that the deputy foreign minister appears said that there are no charges being laid yet. I guess I don't have high hopes that even if bail is considered that they would grant it because they don't seem to be interested in having any communication about his case. And speaking of communication, I with your lawyer understanding. Based on some communications from you. You had a bit of difficulty communicating with his lawyer. Well, it was a strange situation. And and I think that some of the things I said about Mr Sharon being have been misinterpreted. I don't I'm not I don't know anything about his competence or his ability as a lawyer. So I'm leaving that aside we had understood when we we were in a seventy two hour window between when we learned that he'd been detained on that Monday and Wednesday when the American embassy was able to go and see him. And so during that time, we did what we could understand what the process would be in the process. We understood was that the embassy would proffer a list of recommended not recommended. I'm sorry proffer list of English-speaking lawyers to Paul and that he could then select from that list or make a request to us to help him to to find council. And so we were surprised when the American staff got there and Paul essentially already selected somebody it just seemed very it was unusual. It was not how expected the process to to work. What do you think he did that? Well, I'm still not one hundred percent sure that Paul did Seles. Him. At least, you know, in the way that we expect a again, I don't have any details about that. I think what's strange about it is that Paul was in LaPorta and didn't have his eyeglasses when the American embassy staff met with him. And so they were able to translate a request that Paul could have his glasses and yet Mr. Bianca doesn't speak English. And so it would just seem to be very strange choice for someone to hire lawyer who doesn't speak his own language. You get the sense that that lawyer was appointed. I don't really have any details. Either way. It's it's just it's just one of the many many odd things that have come up in this case what else is in that case that you have come across. Well, I think just the idea of someone like Paul who lives, I think so openly on social media and travel so extensively that he would be selected as someone who could potentially be a spy. The other part of the communications piece there there's been some discussion about the fact or the possibility that he might actually be upon. Do you agree with that idea? You know, it's hard to know. I saw the Kremlin spokesman. I think his name was Mr. peskov speak today or yesterday about how the Russians don't use ponds. And I've seen the the discussion in the press about how he is upon and, you know, I it's really hard to know with Maria Bhuttan is case happening. So recently with the arrest of Mr. Makarenko in north Marietta's. You know, there are a lot of pieces at appear to be in play that could be related, but from our perspective, it's mostly a distraction from trying to focus on Paul and Paul's needs and and getting Paul home. All right. So we've talked quite a bit about the situation and how this all happened. And you know, what what what's what's going on to some degree? So I'd like to hear from you for a little bit about what you would like the public and everyone to know one about your brother about the situation and about what you want done. Well, I think what I want people to know is that Paul obviously has things in his pass it he. Isn't or shouldn't be proud of. But that also he has worked very very hard to reinvent himself multiple times he had reached a point in his life. We're both middle aged for twins in our late forties where he'd he got the kind of lifestyle in the jobs that he wanted. He was doing the sort of work you liked and doing the traveling enjoyed and I think that the the whole spy cast of of Paul Whalen, is is overshadowing the fact that he was just really someone who did work. You liked and traveled a lot. And I think that that that Paul is the Paul that we wish people could see from an from a next steps perspective. I think one of the concerns we have ongoing is there seems to be a lack of information flow from the Russian government. So we I've been asked a number of times about things that I just can't speak to because we don't have any idea secretary Pompeo into last week that once new more about the charges if they weren't appropriate than policy brought home, but I think that even at those levels. There doesn't seem to be this sort of information flow that you would expect. And there have been comments in the press that the Russians would normally have shown their evidence or discuss the case more there's been radio silence on their part too. So I think we would hope that whatever levers of government can be used would start that information flow. So that we can all understand better. Why Paul's in the position he is. Speaking of information flow, have you heard much from the State Department? How often are they in touch with you all regularly? I I would guess even daily Paul has three siblings. And so we've we split the workload. I'm trying to raise his profile and keep his story covered. So that you all can talk about his detention. I've got a my sister is focused on working with contacting congress people in senators and my other brothers dealing with the embassy. And so we are getting regular updates perhaps almost daily updates from people at the embassy in Moscow on either Paul's condition last week or since then. On activity such as contracts with the the other embassies, which the Americans will coordinate and other things like trying to get a power of attorney signed get trying to get the Privacy Act waiver signed things like that. Conditions or medical concerns that you worry about at this point. Not really I think I mean, he's he's a late forties fellow. He's he's probably got ailments. None of which should really cause many medical concern. Yeah. We all do that. I understand if you were at this point to have an opportunity to speak with the Russian government. What would you say to them? Boy, that's a tough one. I mean. Wanna put you in a tough spot. But if you had a message he would like the Russian government to here, and they will I can guarantee you hear this. What would you like for them to hear what what would you like to say? I think I would say that if Paul isn't a pawn in a political game. Then there must be a much clearer reason for him to have been arrested, and I would hope for them to to look at that reason. Either to explain it to us or accept that a mistake was made and do the honorable thing. And let him go like they would let anybody who was charged mistakenly charged with a crime, let him go and allow them to come home, are you and your family considering going there? We are not no we aren't sure about the resources required to defend Paul in criminal court in in Moscow, the cost of lawyers and things like that. And so we're marshalling whatever resources we have right now to do the to the work from the the United States. The extent we can until there comes a point where visit might be might have some value to pulse case. You know, it's interesting you mentioned, you're you're you're in the law business in. I'm sure that is a very very beneficial thing to have right now. How's that help you? Well, I I run one of the biggest law libraries in in Ontario. So I've got access to stuff which has been good. So it's meant that I've been able to get quick access to things like the the appellate decision in his bad conduct discharge to research. The Russian criminal code and the procedural code for criminal courts in Russia to extent that has been translated. You know, it helps me to understand if if people are talking about the espionage act, then I can help to translate some of that for my family where they might otherwise be at sea for the rest of us, and we will just sort of conclude this in a couple of moments for the rest of us the. He was traveling there with some friends and supposed to be a part of of of a wedding party didn't make it to the wedding party. What happened with the rest of the folks that were there that he was there with? As far as I understand, they're fine. We've been in some limited contact with them. And and the groom has been in contact with US embassy in Moscow, and we've just been trying to be very careful with his information to try not identify for his privacy really end as soon I think at one once he's back in the states. We're hoping that he will speak up an either through private channels or publicly validate that Paul was at this wedding merely as a friend merely as tourist and the entire weaving of the the spy persona is is a is a red herring. Anything you want to add that I haven't asked you about that. You think is important. No, I think you've really covered covered where we are. I think until the information released to flow about what Paul's against we're we're hoping that the for governments will keep an eye on Paul and that hopefully behind the scenes things are happening that will help them to come home quickly. Do you believe you're getting enough help from the government here? So far. Yes. I'm I try and focus on a my professional expertise and ice in that other people are using their professional expertise. And that includes the people in the government who are engaged both of the on the legislative side in the executive side where agencies are are focused on Paulin, and we have gotten confirmation or assurances from people like in or Huntsman. And so on that people are engaged in Paul's issue. So I've I've faith that they are doing what they can. And certainly we are confident or comfortable with the sport. We've had from the American embassy. Absolutely. Finally, a message to your brother. What would you say doing right now? I would tell him to stay strong and be patient. And I mean, I know that he understands how serious issue is. And to know that we care about him that will bring them home assumes weekend. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. And we do as as I've told you several times send our thoughts and prayers to you and your family for your brother being in this situation and your family. Situation and the situation and we hope with resolve itself. Very soon. Thank you very much JJ. Appreciate the time to be beauty. David Whelan talking with us about his brother Paul's case. We'll bring you all the details regarding it as they developed and in the process coming up on our next episode of target USA the Russians say Paul Whalen is an undercover spy for the US. But a woman who was a CIA covert agent says he's not spy material, and what the Russians are up to his plain old revenge. Russians are advanced sticking their finger in our eye. They are dairy upset that miss be Tina, the Russian national who has been indicted on charges of interference with the NRA election process, and so forth and is being held in the United States. They they don't like that at all. So this may be their kid for tat Valerie plane, a former CIA. A covert officer says this could be one of the biggest and most provocative developments since the crumbling of the Soviet Union and the so-called end of the Cold War. Absolutely. It's a shot across the Dow. Because again, if you're doing legitimate business in Moscow in Russia, and you can just be pulled off the street as this guy was. That'll shut that down. Right right away. We really are entering in many ways a second Cold War. That's coming up on our next addition as always, thank you. Sincerely for taking your time to listen to us. I really do. Appreciate your support. Please subscribe to our podcast. And if you have an idea some information, you want to share with us about a possible story reach out to us. You can find us on Twitter at t- USA podcast. That's tango. Uniform Sierra alpha podcast. You can communicate with us directly. And we can provide secure communications instructions for you in the process. 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Target USA -- Episode 172: Jonna Mendez, former CIA chief of disguise talks about her book, 'The Moscow Rules'

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Target USA -- Episode 172: Jonna Mendez, former CIA chief of disguise talks about her book, 'The Moscow Rules'

"From podcast. One coming up in this episode of target USA, John Mendez, the former CIA chief of disguise has written a book. It's called the Moscow rules how to comport yourself on the streets of Moscow because you are going to have surveillance duck to you like glue. And you know, how do you how do you manage your day to day with that kind of a team on you, whether you walking down the street or driving in your car? Whether you're in your apartment talking to your wife or your at work in the hallways. They're surveillance everywhere. The Moscow rules were giving you some courage that you could persevered even with that, at all this program, you'll also hear about Jonah's role in Argo. That's right. You remember the movie while she was a part of the real story. Her husband, Tony orchestrated the escape of six American diplomats from the Canadian embassy in Tehran. Iran in nineteen. Eighty coming up on this edition of target USA national security podcast from WTO in Washington DC. This is target. USA. Russia, could render huge arm to this country, North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States dangerous terrorist. DC is repeatedly mentioned someplace they would like to seek an attack criminal successful. America as a target on its back and on this program, we investigate the threats the people behind them, the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target USA, be national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay green. If you've ever seen any JAMES BOND movie, you know, there is a character called Q in the movie and Q, essentially stands for quartermaster. He's the person that supplies all of the cool gadgets that bond uses to make his daring escapes, and to support his activities. Well, the CIA has its own and on this program, we talked to the former chief of disguise, her name is Gina Mendez. I was representing the CIA. At one point, I was chief of disguise, you say that so matter of factly. But there's nothing matter of fact about what you did would you tell us just briefly characterize, what it was that, that title in that job included. Mean chief of disguise men that you were responsible for a staff that was scattered around the world. It was composed of two pieces. One was operational. That means people that were in the field, working with our materials in the case officers, and the other piece smaller, but just as important was the RND part of our program, the research and development piece that brought our materials in our technologies forward always trying to create a better product. What were some of the products that you created, what is it skies product? Well, the hair goods that we worked with would be a product we could use. We could use genuine hair which looked beautiful, but it was the same issue of keeping it up of taking care of it be walked in the rain in a real hair wig. It would look like you've been in the shower. So there was that. And then there were all kinds of artificial replicas of real hairs, some of them more more realistic than others. Connec Alon was one that you could walk in the rain and shake your head and just like your dog. You'd look you look just like you look before it rained, but connected on, if you looked at it under various light sources might look alarming. It might look like you had glowing. Head. So you had to be very careful where that was going to be used. We always looking for, for hair goods that would. That would act just like normal hair in many circumstances. As far as we made overhead masks, those were. What are commonly referred to as stunt double masks out now lay those were made from latex? They didn't Atta mate. They didn't move. They weren't meant to move. They were just meant to change a person's ethnicity or gender. From a distance. They were very effective. They were very uncomfortable. You couldn't wear them in a hot climate in a in a really humid environment. You would just think you were going to melt, maybe you were. So we were always looking at materials for masks to see where we could take it could we find something that, that animated could we find something that breathed could we find something that we could finish in a way that it would have that translucent look that that skin has reflect right? Reflect light the same way, so based on the circumstances, under which we met, assuming you chief that quite spectacularly with that particular mask that you were hoping to achieve is that correct? Tell us tell us tore audience about that story. The, the mass that does move. You know, we weren't talking about masks at all for many, many years was actually about a year ago that we were able to discuss mask, technology. It's kind of funny because everyone always assumed we had masks, but we could just never address it. Getting a mass to animate is critical because if it if it doesn't animate they're very few uses for it. But if you can get a mask that you can interact with other people wearing it the doors just wide open. So our technology came from Hollywood, it came from some special effects people, some makeup, people who had done a lot of work on materials. There was a little bit of cyber involved in, in that you, would you could scan a person, three hundred sixty degrees, so you didn't need the actual person sitting in your in your lab for hours and hours. You could you could work on a replica of that person. So when we started producing when we started having a production run. That's that's disarming term a production. Run mitt. Maybe one. We. Week. But when we started producing them I got the first one I was chief disguised at the time. So they made for me an African American male vase, look good. It looks very good. It looks so good that I briefed the head of CIA. And he said, this was Bill Webster. He said, let's go to the White House. Let's show the president. I said, I can't wear this to the White House. I can't walk it. I can't talk it. I can't maintain it. It's just pretty look at. So he said, we'll make another one. So we did mask number two. Did go to the White House. We went down early. I went in with no identification with no paperwork whatsoever. My, my bona feet as were that I was with judge Webster, and he was hit ac-. I we went in, we got stuck outside of the Oval Office because there was a meeting inside was going long. And so we were standing around they were all telling jokes and laughing, I was chewing on a pencil laughing. I was in agony. Because you get a little paranoid when you're wearing this stuff. I mean you kind of a I this was the first serious taking this thing out in public, and, and so who was the president at the time, George H W Bush, and he was a former director of the CIA. So I'm assuming that part of the reason for going and showing was one to since obviously, he was the person that the CIA answer to he would see what you up to, but also, he's would be very sympathetic audience to what it was that you had to achieve in your in your in your daily work role. Exactly right. All of those things lead into the decision to go down there. There was also the fact that we had given him some disguises while he was chief CIA. I don't even know what he used them for. But they were very simple. It was the kind of disguise that was a wig, and maybe mustache and glasses. So I went armed with pictures of him in disguise reminding him of what we used to do. And by the way, we still do those things. And then I said, I'm here to show you the most recent innovation in disguise, and he said something like, well, let's, let's see it, and I said you're looking at it, but I'm gonna I'm gonna take it off and let you see how it how it works and he said, no, no, no. Don't take it off. He got up from behind that huge desk and walked around walked all the way around me the resolute desk. I think that's what it was called. I didn't know it. Then the resolute desk, he went back and he sat down. And he said, okay. Take it off. And so I'm. Peeled off my face. There's a photographer in the room, the whole time coaching coaching. I think she probably is always there, taking pictures of meetings throughout the day. There was a circle of men that I was sitting with that was Briscoe Croft was Bob gates. Johnson new judge Webster me, I'm leaving out. Someone doesn't matter. When I took my face off, John SU who hadn't been paying any attention because he was furiously writing, whatever it was. He was going to say when it was his turn while he was shocked. He was he was startled. I thought he was going to lose his balance. He was not a small man. So we talked for a few minutes, I explained to the president. You know, this was the most recent product that we'd come up with he, he said behind his desk, and he'd twinkled. I didn't I didn't know that this president president was so personable. I was the first one to leave the room. I went out to the secretary's office, where there was that little dog Millie and her puppies. The Bush dog so I'm playing with. The puppies and the door opens and here comes the photographer. She came over. And she said, what did you do? And I said, I can't tell it's classified you missed it. Ten years later. I got a I got a copy of the photo. Oh, okay. It's hanging in my library today, but they've airbrushed the mask out. I was holding it up. So the president could see it and someone is removed it, so it just looks like I'm lecturing the president about something really important. Sure. I'm sure that was a great moment, you're here because you've written a book, and this book is called the Moscow rules, the secret CIA tactics that helped America win the Cold War. Why did you write this book? I wrote it with my husband this is his fourth book. His last book. We've talked about this for years about putting this book together. The thing that Tony had done. Is he wrote down these rules? They, they'd never he didn't. Invent them. He didn't make them up. These were always the rules. But they were just kind of floating around. We all knew them anybody going on an assignment to Moscow new these rules before they got they're part of the training things like don't look back. You're never alone things like trust. No-one gets more specific trust your gut how to comport yourself on the streets of Moscow because you are going to have surveillance stuck to you like glue and you know, how do you how do you manage day to day with that kind of a team on you? Whether you're walking down the street or driving in your car. Whether you're in your apartment talking to your wife or your at work in the hallways. They're surveillance everywhere. The Moscow rules were giving you some courage that you. You could persevered even with that element of surveillance. Now. We, we should point out who Tony Mendez is for those who aren't familiar. And this is in no way to trivialize the tremendous contribution that he made to this nation and to the world in many respects, but most folks would probably be familiar with him from the movie Argo. That's, that's right. Had it not been for George Tenet. The head of CIA at the time the world would never even heard of Argo. It would have been one of those operational stories that's in the vault never see the light of day. No, summarize, what the Argos story is the Argo story was. A tale of how Tony when into Tehran really in the early days of the Iranian revolution. When our American embassy had been overrun by I don't know how you do air quotes on a Mike. But. My students. They took all of the members of our embassy hostage. They kept him in the at the end of the day they kept him for four hundred forty four days but six got away six got away and nobody knew they were gone. And they ended up with the Canadian ambassador and his deputy John Snowden and they kept them for eighty four days, but it was starting to close in on those six they were receiving phone calls. The word was getting out that there were six and that they might be in this Canadian situation. So Tony was in charge of going to get them of coming up with a story that would allow him to go into a country in the middle of a revolution. And exit through the commercial airport with a team of people. It made no sense whatsoever. But he concocted a tale that made it make sense. He he disguised undocumented them as a Canadian film crew on location looking for bizarre. Make the movie in farfetched. Not as far fetched as the movie made it seem, but it was far fetched and it worked, and he, he got them out. Basically, the story got so remarkable story and I've seen the movie, I've read the story, and I knew about the story before the movie, and it's still remarkable to me. But what's more remarkable as that you are sitting here today with us telling the story because you played a key role in that? I don't know. I, I was I was back at headquarters, I didn't I didn't take a step out of the door. There was a small group of us that knew what was going on. We held our breath, this thing could have come undone at any moment, but it was the best approach, they could come up with it was such an odd cover to use. Hollywood is a cover. I don't think any intelligence officer had done that before as no one was looking for it. It was a cover that these six hostages who were scared to death, and they were not intelligence officers could could wrap their arms around in the couple of days training. He gave them so that they could if they were challenged in the airport, they could, they could meet that challenge. They descript Rier could talk about the script the location transportation manager could talk. About, you know what they were bringing in to make this movie. Everyone had their story. They were good to go with it performed brilliantly. And we still see them today. My husband passed in January, so sorry about that. Thank you. True. Treasure for this nation. Thank you. Well out of six of them, we had to the celebration too. I believe are still in Africa, the other two are in, in Washington state. We heard from everyone, but over the years we, we've seen them, again, and again, and again, and we get these lovely notes thanking him for saving their lives all the time. Does amaze enemies ING story, and I'm so grateful that you're here, sharing it with us and back to this book? Why do you think this book is so important now because I believe it is. And when you look at it when you just thumb through the book and actually sitting down to read it, I'm sure it's one, one of those books that you cannot put down just came out on the twenty first of may is that correct twenty-first? Yes. And what what's, what's the what's the part of this book that you most liked or enjoyed writing about? For me. What I liked being able to do is pull some of these stories forward that involved, our office, the officer technical service, which was always compared to the Q JAMES BOND. We were the gadget people we would if we didn't have it. We'd make it we'd invented. We'd but we give you a tool to let you get your job done part of the book is about some of the incredible people that we worked with, who did amazing things. One of the one of the chapters is called genius is where you find it. We found genius more times than than than you would expect. We had people working with us who went on to do remarkable things, we had a man who, who worked with us in terms of batteries, he spent a life time working batteries. But he ended up being one of the main people who help save the hub. Able telescope when it was on. It's deathbed then it was an issue of batteries among other things. And George meth Lee was was part of that team that kept it going, there was a, there was another man named Paul how who designed a tiny tiny film camera. That was my account for many, many years, a camera. So small, you could put it in writing pin, you could put it in a lipstick, you can put it in anything you could also sit at your desk, and very quietly with one hand photograph secret documents at the end of the Cold War. The general consensus was that tiny camera had collected more significant intelligence than any of our satellite systems, satellite system show, you what's in place. What's their what's going on right now, which was interesting what we really wanted to know was what? What are their plans and intentions? What are they going to do? We wanted the people in the meeting or we wanted minutes of the meeting, or even we'd take the agenda for the meeting just to see how they were thinking. So if you think today, you know what I think all the time is I hope we have the modern equivalent of my tiny camera. I hope we have it in somebody's pocket. I hope that they are inside of the North Korean planning meetings. I hope we have somebody in the pull up euro with one of my tiny cameras, so that we can see what's, what's being developed, what's coming next. So. They are in these places. I know that's a really difficult question for you of former chief of disguise to answer. First of all, I can't know because I'm not there, but I have an interesting historical perspective, and I would believe that in one form or another, we are able to, to. To obtain this information. You know, if you look at the Muller report, if you just look at his team's ability to go inside of the GRU, that's the Soviet military intelligence component go. He he basically Muller called out the names of all of the GRU officers that were working on the hacking. He called out their names. He called out their codenames other codenames. He could basically tell you who was sitting next to who sitting next to who when they can get down today to that granular level of detail in something like the Mola report, I believe that we could probably. Sousse out, little bit more information now this is a fantastic book, but, you know, and it's about a big heavy topic. It's about some very serious work here, and it's about work that it takes a special person, or a group of people to perform, and clearly, you know, you were one of those people being chief of disguise for a number of years at the CIA, but I think an interesting part of this story is how you got to that particular position and it wasn't necessarily through some kind of pedigree, you had to do some. Difficult. You had to do it. Your you had to get there yourself. You know, nobody just opened the door and said, hey, you've, you've been groomed or prepared for this hearing. It is you had to actually go do something that nobody expected you to do. That's absolutely true back in the day when I when I started working for the CIA, if you applied, as woman, it really didn't matter what your degree was in. They would put you in that typing pool. If you couldn't type they probably wouldn't hire you most women that I knew professionally started in the typing pool then the job was well, how do you get out of here? You know what, what's where's the exit? I went out of this place and everybody I knew got out of the typing pool. We all went our, our different ways. I was a really good secretary, which probably kept me in the pool longer than I should have. But I, I was the top secretary for this group of thousand people that's really interesting point. Jonah is that you were a secretary. Oh, yeah. And where did you end up? You ended up running the the gadgets unit. Okay. That is a remarkable accomplishment one. It is. But it's also I have to point out as we go along. It's also indicative of CIA's. Ability to elevate and brick elevate. Talent may, we'll let you they will give you a shot at whatever. And if you can do it, they will let you do it. And you can that's the way that you can move around in CIA as a secretary, I was going to leave. I was there was no work. I was bored, the only way up was if my boss got an assignment and I went with him. That was no good. So I was gonna go work at this Massoni, Ian. They put me instead in a photo. Course they knew I was bored, and they knew, I liked talk Affi. I loved photography. This was flying airplanes with long lenses. And it was it was one of the best days in my life, that first day of those photography courses. So I morphed into photo operations officer using those little tiny cameras traveling around the world training people how to how to collect intelligence with those cameras, and that was going splendidly. I was in a man's world. I was a woman, but I was every bit is good as men. The men were RIT graduates. They all went to film school. Well, they could talk about the to- curve of the emulsion on the film. But if a role of really important film came into our labs, and it was right at lunchtime. They would hand me the film, the guys would go to lunch. So I did I did a good job in that photo area. And I ended up on the other side of the world one summer for three months filling in for someone and it was like there was a color explosion in my head. I went from black and white, the color photography, and my personal staff came back to Washington and ask for an assignment there. I said, I'd like to work out of that particular base. They said there is no photo job there. There's just a disguise job. I said, so make me a disguise officer, and it took two years, and they did that they did that, that was under the. Under the tutelage of a man, named Tony Mendez. Who I had no idea I was going to marry someday. I always tell him I would have been so much nicer had I known that urging oh my gosh. All right. Well, you did marry him and you made history and that history continues as this book comes out as I look at it, there's a chapter in here. That's kind of caught my eye. It's called chapter six. It's like float like a butterfly sting like oh be. It was early evening in Moscow, nineteen seventy seven but it was also early in may. And so the twilight had begun to stretch out late the sun would not set until nine thirty pm. It was a fine evening, pick it up from there for us. Well that story. Wasn't interesting story in the in the book, we're talking about why do people why do people spy this by for money they spy for compromise? They spy for reasons of ego, and the best one or maybe the worst one there's always a little bit of revenge in there. And this was Anna Moscow talking about. The beginning of this chapter talks about a terrible fire that was in Moscow. We had an ambassador who was at a reception. I think at the Romanian embassy he shows up back at his own embassy, because he's been called by the marine guards to say, our embassy is burning down and so am Bassett or tune. His name was he was standing on the sidewalk in full black tail white-tie regalia, watching the Moscow, fire department comes screeching in and put the ladders going up. And then he started noticing that there was a second wave of firefighters coming in, in much better looking firefighter outfits and this caught his eye. And he always sudden became suspicious of the second group firefighters. It turns out later that his suspicions were well-founded. I group was real firefighters. The second group was KGB, but up in the embassy itself was our chief station gusts Hathaway who stood there in his Burberry coat with a handgun guarding CIA station. And one of the marines went up and said, sir, the ambassador said that you, you have to leave now and. Guess Hathaway I probably couldn't repeat exactly what he said to the marine. This is a podcast. It's not radio. He said there is no you know, no way that I am leaving. And you know they're not coming in my station, and he stayed there throughout the fire. You know he didn't die. He got the intelligence star for doing that. He became a famous, he was already famous when it happened, but it was a CIA approach to the to the KGB, like nice, try guys, but that can get in our safety. They didn't get are classified information, folks, why you have to read this book, the Moscow rules, the secret CIA tactics that helped America when the Cold War, and Tonio and John says with med Baguio bestselling authors of Argo, you know, as I have thought about the way when we met and all of the things that led up to your, your career and throughout your career, and then to this book and then us meeting at the spy me. Liam which is where we met at the opening of the news by museum. And just the way you regaled me and others with your story, and the accomplishments that are on display there can't help, but wonder knowing what we know about what you're able to do. And what existed during the Cold War, and looking at what's taking place between the US and Russia? Now. Are we going to win this one this time? This one doesn't really seem to have a name I could make up a very quick sketch of a case. The Cold War, never really ended. Did it just simmered down? And it's been at a low a low to medium simmer for some time. I'm in the middle of ambassador McFaul spoke, Michael McFaul. He was embassador think twenty twelve twenty fourteen and he's describing the harassment that he and his family. This is the embassador drying. Imagine the CIA station they, they would his wife would go out to some event. She'd come back to the embassy, where her husband was ambassador, and they would not let her in the gates, they would make her stand outside, and, you know, fifteen degree weather while they slowly tedious they'd examine her documents. It was nothing but harassment, they were following his kids to school was the book opens with an incident. Twenty sixteen where an American diplomat. Gets out of a taxi, at the entrance to his embassy three in the morning and KGB guy just bursts out of guard shack and beats the living daylights out of him beat him to a pulp even as they slowly slid across the pavement and into the embassy itself into the lobby of the American embassy. This guy still beating him up there on American soil at that time, the American officer was medevac out with a broken clavicle and God knows what else that's twenty sixteen at that time, the presidential campaign wasn't was in full swing. So this stuff is been going on for long longtime. Do you get the sense? That were still able. To pull this one out considering. You know, the advantage that you and the folks like you gave us back during the earlier times, are we in a position to, to win this, this time, whatever, whatever you call it is it because the thing that the reason I asked this question is because. You know, the Russians, you know, this very well probably better than anybody nation of chess players, and everything they do is plotted and planned well in advance and my question is how many moves behind are we? Putin, is there chessmaster, and he is a KGB graduate. You know, he was he was not that successful as KGB officer as a career officer he didn't. He didn't rise up into the ranks suddenly, he kind of peeled off and became mayor of Leningrad, so while he is trained in, in intelligence tactics. I don't know that he was ever that clever using them. I think the thing on on, on the table top right now is technology while we were a technical office technology. If toys R us technologies was really us. That's we invented a lot of the technology, even being used today. Everyone is caught up though. It's kind of it's out in the commercial market. Now. We are all able to do the same kinds of things. I think I think from my point of view, the piece of it, that I'm not sure how it's gonna play out. Is this identity transformation with disguise, we could very realistically very quickly change you in every way your gender, your ethnicity? Everything about you. We could change it. We could we could present you at a at a desk with a passport or whatever that had your picture in it. That's not quite how it's working now they're not so interested in that piece of paper, they're interested in your phone. If you're gonna walk up to that desk with that they can probably query remotely while you're standing there that piece of the identity transformation. I don't know how that works. I, I was in CIA. Just last Friday. And we talked very briefly. This is not part of what I need to know anymore. So I have no need to know. But clearly it's a it's a huge problem. And that's where a lot of the energy is going. That's where some of the solutions lie. I believe that, that every time we see technology that, that is an obstacle to us. We have always been able to turn it around and use it offensively. We have some very, very clever people working there. I have to believe that, that will find a way doubt find a way. Showed amend, is your tremendous. This book is tremendous. Well anything about this book that I haven't asked you about that. You think is important that you'd like to share before we end up. We wanted to tell the stories we wanted to get the rules out on paper we wanted to call out some of our old colleagues. Those things have all been accomplished in the book. I think the larger over arching goal was to open up. This profession is technical end of spying this gadget part of it, so that the public could take a look at what we're looking for. What kind of people we needed how we use them? And what a career there might have looked like we've highlighted some of our stars. We've removed the ones that we're not stars because you don't need to read about them. I would hope that this would generate some applications to the to the CIA of people find the, the story's interesting and the work interesting and who might consider a career working for the government. Int making a difference doing something that matters. And sometimes actually impacting, you know what's going on in the world. What's better than that? You know what I have to say this, and I don't say this in any way to disparage anyone, but, you know, you are a role model for all of us just through your work ethic, and through what you accomplished by just never giving up and continuing to push into work, but have to say a young girl or young woman listening to this has got to find the has got to find some significant inspiration in career as as as difficult. And but as rewarding as the one that you impact on exactly it is. It is rewarding years after you stop doing it. When when Tony. Were working at the time that we retired. We retired about three or four years apart. You know, the average age of our retirees men because they were all men, the average lifespan of our retirees was eighteen months. Because so many of our people treated the work as a calling the considered the agency to be a family. They thought this was their life's work. A lot of our men didn't have any outside activities. They didn't have any friends outside of the agency. They had no hobbies, Tony always said that. Working at the CIA was like drinking from a fire hose. And he said that retiring was like jumping off moving train this tough. So we had to train our people retire then then things changed. But it really is a totally absorbing field if you if you are if you've got the skills, and if you've got the focus, and if you really want to change things or help things get better make a difference. Do something that matters. Come work for the CIA gentleman does. Thank you for spending some time with us. I love to you know that. That's it for this episode coming up in our next program. Cyberspace diplomats are now getting involved in it. Everybody has noticed that Cyberspace's new domain of both civilian and military activities. And at the diplomats are now talking about what kind of behavior is allowed or not allowed by the governments in cyberspace Haley, t more clar, the ambassador at large for cybersecurity for Estonia arguably the world's leading thirty on cyber Bank. You as always for listening, I deeply appreciate the opportunity to share with you today. If you have any questions or comments about the program sent me an Email at J green at W, T O, P dot com. That's the letter j, the color, green one word and whiskey Tango. Oscar Papa dot com. Also. Follow us on Twitter at t-, USA podcast. That's Tango, uniform, Sierra podcast and sign up for the inside the skiff newsletter which talks about all the things we talk about on this program and more national security topics. WTO p dot com slash alerts. I'm Jay Jay green and this his target USA the national security had cast. 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Another resolution: backing up for the new year.  Drobo and Retrospect

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01:59 min | 11 months ago

Another resolution: backing up for the new year. Drobo and Retrospect

"Your destination for gadgets and gear. I'm Fred fishkill another New Year's resolution for your consideration backing up all all of those documents you have stored including those hundreds maybe thousands of photos videos. If you're looking for a solution. The pros have relied on. Dro- bows network. Attach storage devices that can use drives of different types and sizes combined. With retrospect software will automate the whole process. Set it up once in retrospect and drove. Oh we'll take care of the rest and the DRO dashboard keeps you informed about the health of your back up drives about the software GM. I'm Jay Jay Heath Cox says you can back up locally which is much faster restore But then you can do transfers to the cloud or some other offset than you retrospect has been entrusted for decades and works with windows. Mac Computers and more you can find us at Texter. NATION DOT COM. I'm fred fish skin now. Alvis how many companies out there have continued to innovate when it comes to building a better radio. I'm red fish host of textile nation. And I'm here to tell you about the new. Cc Sky Wave SP radio from the wonderful people at sea crane Baba Descru- really love radio and it shows in this new compact act model that is packed with features beyond great. AM FM reception. Unsound you can tune in to shortwave signals from around the world. LISTEN TO HAM radio Jio operators aviation and more. It's the radio you'll turn to every day and in emergencies it will run for nearly three days on just two AA AA batteries. Hair the sleep timer with a new soft speaker three and you've got the perfect radio nightstand. Of course it can wake you up to click on C. Crane at texts donation dot com and put in the code texted nation for free flashlight. With your order. They Love Radio and you'll love secretly.

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Target USA -- Episode 204 | SPECIAL REPORT |  US airstrike kills Soleimani

Target USA Podcast by WTOP

04:30 min | 11 months ago

Target USA -- Episode 204 | SPECIAL REPORT | US airstrike kills Soleimani

"From podcast one. This is a target. USA special report the US killing of Iranian General Qassam Soleimani Alumini. I'm Jay Jay Green an assassination. That could unleash years of bloody revenge between the. US and Iran happened and at Baghdad. Airport Thursday night A. US air strike killed. Iran's General Qassam Soleimani head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps and the COOED force Secretary of Defense Mark. ASPER confirmed it saying in his own words at the direction of the president the US military has taken decisive defensive sensitive action to protect US personnel abroad by killing Qassam Soleimani the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps coups force a US designated foreign terrorist organization. General Sulejmani Asper said was actively developing plans to attack American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region. He said he said Sulejmani and his coots force were responsible. For the deaths of hundreds of Americans and coalition service Chris members and the wounding of thousands more the Pentagon believes Sola Mani had orchestrated attacks on coalition bases in Iraq over the last seven months including during the attack on December twenty seventh culminating in the death and wounding of additional American and Iraqi personnel. Sola Mani was blamed for approving the attacks acts on the US embassy in Baghdad. That took place this week. The stunning assassination reverberated worldwide triggering. A number of key actions Muktar Tara L.. Solder leader of the SOD wrist movement and Iranian proxy announced the reactivation of the Anti US Mahdi Army to defend Iraq. Foreign oil companies have evacuated their employees through Bosra Airport while global oil prices took a tumble the US and its allies are expecting expecting trouble in the region and beyond the US embassy in Baghdad released a statement urging American citizens in Iraq to depart immediately following following the airstrike the statement said due to heighten tensions in Iraq and the region the US embassy urges Americans to heed the January twenty twenty travel advisory and depart Iraq immediately US citizens it said should depart via airline while possible and failing that to other countries countries via land. Britain's military increased its security and readiness basis in the Middle East region Jeremy Corbyn leader of the. UK's Labor Party tweeted quote the US assassination of Kacem. Salamone is an extremely serious and dangerous escalation of conflict with global significance the UK government should urge restraint on the part of both Iran and the US and stand up to the belligerent actions and rhetoric. Coming from the US Secretary of State. Mike pompeo spoke later to UK Foreign Secretary Dominique Rob and according to a statement quote made clear the the US remains committed to de escalation but to train observers. The greatest concern retaliation is likely already in the works works. Fred Burton a retired State Department counterterrorism agent currently Vice President of intelligence it. Strat for sees little doubt. Iran will seek revenge in his words. He said there is no doubt we will see blow back with the assassination of General Soleimani in my assessment. The Iranians want vengeance an iphone. I Burton says Iran can strike back in a variety of ways including kidnapping and he says those well quote they also have a lot of asymmetrical auctions since to muster for example as Bulloch who mastered the car bomb in the nineteen eighties. US law enforcement authorities across the US are on alert for suspicious activity. Eighty and officials in New York Los Angeles say they may raise profiles as necessary Washington because President Donald Trump who authorized the strikes. EXE resides here operates a high security regime every day. We'll have more updates on the story as they want. I'm Jay Jay Green From podcast one. This is a target U._S._A.. Special report the U._S.. Killing of Iranian General Qassam Soleimani.

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97: Conscious Millionaire Mindset: No More Excuses!

Conscious Millionaire Mindset ~ Want High Performer Secrets of Millionaires?

07:46 min | 1 year ago

97: Conscious Millionaire Mindset: No More Excuses!

"Welcome to the conscious. Marine Mindset Show Episode Number Ninety Seven Look to conscious millionaire the number one might says show on the planet for the conscious entrepreneur. Who wants to make your first million joint J.? Today as he coaches you think. ACT AND ACHIEVE Steve like a conscious. Millionaire you're listening to the conscious millionaire network hurt by over twelve million listeners. And one hundred ninety countries now join your host Jay Jay become the third mindset and started expert Serial Entrepreneur and author of the number one international bestseller conscious millionaire. Row Your Business by making a difference. Hey this JV. And I'm excited that you join me for another conscious millionaire mindset as I say. This isn't just the show it's an entrepreneurial training for your mind to train you to have a conscious millionaire mind and to gaze topic is one of the most important topics topics we could ever cover. It's titled No excuses. Here's the question. How do top entrepreneurs men and women who are true unconscious? Millionaires conquer their excuses. And how can you win by playing at your highest level and playing like winners Who overcome their excuses? It's time for you to put excuses to bed. And where do they belong in bed. Not In your bed. That's for sure they belong on outside. They belong completely outside your life. They don't belong in your world at all and today I'm GonNa prove that to you in three steps because I know that you can conquer any excuse you've been doing because you know what excuses it is just a way to not get your goals and what you think about that stupid. It's dumb. Why would we want to not get our goals? But that's whatever excuse really is let's just call it out. It's the Elvin in the room. Let's identify it. Let's be men and women about this and let stand up tall and say I'm tired of excuses. So what's the first thing defined what an excuse is and give an example from your life so I want you to write down in one sentence. What is an excuse? What are you doing when when you're excusing yourself from having the success that you want see it doesn't make sense does it? But that's what we do. We all do it does it. You do it every friend that I have ever hear that I have. We all make up excuses. It's time for us to move forward because the world needs us to make our difference and we need to build more profit so that we get the life that we want and can make more impact and become true conscious. Millionaires action. That are making a huge difference and creating wealth by doing it to define wouldn't excuse his and give an example from your life. Maybe you've been excusing not losing the weight. Maybe you've been excusing. Not showing up on time. Maybe you've expen- excusing not being the Best S. partner that you could be. Maybe you've been excusing not showing up for your team meetings and you own the company. Maybe you've been excusing not delivering offering the absolute best. You could to every client. Maybe you've been excusing this. Maybe you've been excusing that you choose it from your own repertoire. We all have excuses excuses that we're using number two using that same example. I want you to write down the negative effect that excuse has had on your life or business. I want you to look in the mirror. I want you to be completely truthful with yourself because when we get honest with ourselves we get motivated and we create change and I know one thing is certain you deserve better than those excuses. Those excuses don't deserve. It could be in your life and number three now using that same example. Maybe it was the weight loss. Maybe he's not showing up on time. Maybe it's not showing up for your team. Maybe it's not being your best partner. Our our father or mother whatever it is using that and the same example. I want you to imagine that exact situation if the excuse was completely removed. The excuse wasn't there. How would you be thinking? What would you be feeling doing? which actions would you be taking? And as a result what results would you be getting. How much bigger would they be? How would you oppress time and get there faster? How would you play bigger than you ever have before in this area of your life? So Oh you're twenty four hour challenge today. I want you to do all three steps. How would you define? What is an excuse for you and then give an example from your life? You've using that example. Want you to write down the negative effects that excuse has had on your life Ed business and then with that same for example I want you to imagine what would your area of life and what would your area of business whichever it is. How would that be different? If if you were not making this. Excuse how would you show up. How much bigger would you think? How much more fulfilled and joyful and excited the motivated? Would you feel how to bigger would your actions being therefore how much bigger would you result. Be and how much faster would you get there. I'd love to hear from you like to hear about what that excuses shared with me so that I can be the fear witness for you. We all need someone that we can foist something to I asked voice to me. Go to conscious millionaire mindset dot com. Send me an email semi foist. Tell me what the excuses that you're making off and then tell me what you did about it. This is J. V. Criminal third. I'm excited to be a part of your life because I wanna see you grow. I'm going to see you and fly. I WanNa see you get to the mountain tops. I want you to have a highly profitable business by making a positive impact and I look forward to connecting with you on the next ext conscious milionaire. This is an important question for entrepreneurs. Hello this is Jamie from the third founder of conscious millionaire is twenty twenty year you want to get on the fast track to making your first million. I made my first million at age. Twenty five now. I WANNA help ten select entrepreneurs yours get on the path to achieving. There's to apply. Text me at my cell with your name and the words I million. That number is three zero. Three six four one zero four zero one again. Text me at three zero zero three six four one zero four zero one next listening to conscious million Lina media podcast radio network the hosts producers of the show distributors and broadcast media. Make no claims that the tragedies information discussing show results in providence and may result in losses the opinions and advice from the host guests do not necessarily shelley represent those of the owner staff management or broadcast of the show illegal counting or financial or health. 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What it Means to Talk Like a Leader with JJ Brun

Talk Like a Leader

18:38 min | 11 months ago

What it Means to Talk Like a Leader with JJ Brun

"Welcome to the top like a leader. podcast where we explore the mindset skill set and habits of leadership communication using these tips techniques and tactics. You'll be able able to talk like a leader to build better relationships and get more done. Your host is guy. Harris who has more than twenty years of combined. Professional Military Experience in in consulting coaching and training in areas like team in interaction dynamics communication strategies and tactics as well as emotional intelligence take it away. Guy Guy I this guy. Welcome to the talk. Like leader podcast. I am privileged and excited to have my friend colleague. Jay Jay Baron. Jay Jay is in. Canada is a former Canadian forces person who served in Bosnia and from that service. He's now known own as the retired spy. He's the president of the training solutions and the SE. Training solutions is a global leader in Communication Relationship Development Allman. I've had the privilege and honor to work with jj now for several years. And I am pleased to have him share his experiences with you today so welcome. Welcome J. J. J. to the podcast. Thank you guy here so tell me a little bit. Real quickly. D. H. C. Training Solutions. DHEC has a meaning meaning. What what does that mean yes so making a military always have acronyms though the DAC stands for decoding human capital it's been my experience Working Overseas working in in a global Arena or theater of operations creations for VR military terminology. That we used to use everyone that you meet has a human capital inside of them. Waiting to be discovered Oh to avoid labeling characterizing in pigeonholing people it's looking at people as having a human capital waiting to be discovered so DC train solutions provides that avenue for them for us engaging to a Sincere honest conversation. Asian so that we can celebrate people's differences versus tolerate people's differences in that twenty twenty. And that's a great setup for the question that we wanna talk about because I really respect and value. Jj's perspective here. He's at lots and lots of experience in this arena helping people and all different types types and sizes of organizations become more effective more clear communicators Posed the question when you know the topic of this podcast is talk talk leader and I just WanNa get what is your thought or perspective. Or what are you here when you hear the phrase talk like a leader. It's it's thought provoking question. Talk like a leader. I had to take a step back and reflect on what was what's the first thing that comes to mind for me is the authenticity of entity to yourself. we we hear the terminology leader. Yes when high school after high school whether it's in College University in my case in the military We hear people who own business leader as leader of this and easily writing quite often. It's it's a title that they have and because they title they have leadership. It hasn't been my experience. I've learned more from people showing poor leadership skills I wish that indicate to me while. Here's how not to do when I acquisition. Here's how not to lead you. Don't lead by the everybody just to edify your position and I've besides object to that early in my in my career in the military. What has really helped me to hone into Talk like a leader is self awareness. It's really to be a fantastic. You really have to have a strong sense of self and has been my experience that there's four levels of awareness awareness in order to thrive and in any environment that you're going to be in this this four levels of awareness we are like the first one will be the environmental or a mental awareness so I would define an environmental awareness as a moment in time where you discover you learn something new. So we're we're both both military ground I've learned things that I didn't know when I first came in and whether it's bootcamp whether it's soya infantry school whether it's a spy school break at environmental awareness. It's a moment in time when you learn. Discover something you you know. You are in that environment when you start asking yourself questions like what is this all about. Who's going to be there? How am I supposed to past why are we doing these things like you know. You are in environmental awareness. When you're asking yourself of these questions from this ought you're going to move onto the next level and situational awareness? That is where I would define a moment in time when so you apply something that you've learned Oh as an example going to Bosnia Herzegovina so I was to be selected. Our accident was volunteered to be a contact hambur right patriots the Bosnian so contact handlers preussen. Who is sending to a hostile sal environment where he or? She has to cultivate sources within that hostile environment determine their intentions and modified behaviors if in when required using any jet. I might tricks. So that's that's a different environment so I had to go to spy school in the UK to learn to be a contact attack handler. Once school's done the next day I was. I was deployed to Bosnia Herzegovina. It took me three days to finish. We're supposed to work in now that I was in this area which is most star. which is where I work? So it's about four hours South of Sarajevo table. If you know where Syria is Now I have an opportunity to apply. Whatever Laura's situational awareness and I you know that you more institue awareness when you're asking yourself similar questions in regards to? What am I supposed to do not to get fired? You're going to be working with now. How are we supposed to move around without being shot? Why not have more bullets August when I was when I came into they gave me a pistol and ten bullets? That's it but the funny rate is a big to magazines for my pistol magazine. ECZEMA can hold him. Bullets in my brain goes should I get twenty bullets. So that's the situation. You're onsite situational awareness. Now the key here is that you to move to the next level you have to have self awareness and I would define hi that as a moment in time where you know that you know that you know your strengths and weaknesses. You're blind spots so that you can partner with somebody that can cover your blind spots so that whole self awareness is where you can really thrived and being an authentic leader. Not Trying to be one that tends to lead any very directive way or in inspirational way. Are you looking to leading the way you leading to lead in the cautious way I have my own style and for me to talk like leader is just to to be me under control etc.. I've learned that for myself. It's never what I say. It's how I say things. I can still be direct correct very direct in my startup communicating They're cautious also worth. I choose to use in and to be really effective. I have to be under control under stress and duress I'm not as effective as I could be but you know if you think about in order to talk like leader you also have to also be able to decode. Perhaps person's preferred communication style the US I may look at someone and since that I need to approach this. In a different way leaders one that recognizes the environment that he or she is in and adapts to their styles based on. WHO's in front of you? I once heard a person indicate sir shared with me that leaders who looks behind to see who's following them a leader who knows who they are following as they move ahead I like what. I'm nice one liner. Nice little lingo and I would advocate that leaders one that recognizes the environment. They're in and adopts his or her leadership style to that environment arm. Sometimes you have to be direct. Sometimes you have to inspire others. Sometimes you have to soften up a little bit. Slow down and be supportive given sometimes you do have to be very very cautious calculating conscientious with the words that you choose to use Nord not to hurt anybody. I'm looking for now. I said there was four. And if you're counting at from self awareness it will be the opportunity for you to move to the next level of awareness which is legacy Zia. Were legacy awareness. I define as A moment in time when you find your purpose when you find your meeting when you're able to leave your mark When you look back that you've done everything that you could have done and that you have frocks You familiar with the parable of the Pencil. Guy Yes I am pencil yet. The leaving a mark idea yes so legacies very much like that. Because I think everyone at one point whether it's in high school or college or university There's a time in life that people are going to ask. Why might you? I ain't there's there's an author that wrote the at the most the two most important dates in our lives number one. The data we were born into the day we find out Y and that's profound the day you find out why and I would say like talk like leaders when you find your Y.. When you find neuropathic self I believe that it becomes easier? You're not trying to be someone that you're not designed to be and you can be yourself out and make an impact in a difference. I on people like the verbal depends. We'll talk about the fight. Things quickly with your audience The A Creator manufacturer the inventor of the Pencil shares with a pencil. That there's five things that you must learn and never forget to invest pencil number one before you can easily Zule as a pencil. You must first be willing to be placed into somebody else's hand a step number one number two. You go through some sharpening as a pencil. It's going going to hurt you. Let me encourage you. You're GONNA be better because of the sharpening number three. You'RE GONNA make mistakes as a pencil. I know that's why a place eraser on the top number four true core value. And what's on the outside. Not You look to shape not your color. What place inside of you? That's where you find the real core values in number five and the most important you create a design indebted for one thing in one thing only and as to leave your mark on every surface you come across in life to me. That's the legacy awareness Athletes were in a city. Leave to your kids and if you're fortunate like in your case grandkids it's your chance to start over but try to fix things. I messed up the first time I'm like I'm not there. I've got to it to start over so wait wait get married. I you know all of the right. Exactly an But that's that's how I would define it Talk like the leader really is is finding your authentic self. The offense if you've never taken in an opportunity to take an audit Your likes and your dislikes your temperament style value. You're going through these psychometric assessment and then receiving it right. That was one thing of you could resist all the information or you can receive information and Ninjas be your best self moving forward not not being too hard on your on on on yourself for regardless of your past does not dictate your future you pass does prepare you for your future. It doesn't dictate is because the act is certain way back then in high school that has defined you for the rest of your life but it does prepare you so there's just a lot that's a very good question talk like a leader and and there's is a lot of good Good comment there. And I think anybody who's listened to other episodes where you're gonNA hear a lot of similar threads and what I really really like as maybe phrase two different ways you can hear it differently but the idea of the authenticity and trying to be situationally aware and I and trying to find your purpose full your purpose rather than having authoritarian viewpoint or try to lord leadership over people it's a whole mindset perspective and I appreciate you were talking more about it sounded to me. What else here in is more how I think about how I'm talking in or how I'm being when I'm talking more than what I'm doing what I'm talking? State of being perspective the the habits that mindset that that you bring the communication that's really more important than the specific technique and techniques can change on situations that hopefully heart and the the spirit is consistent through all situations. Yes you have to think things through right. You don't just go in line line. Did it again. It's more reflecting on what will what does what does that person need. Bright good not to lose my identity in it right. It's more of You need to know before you show. I need to know what this person is coming from. So that I can say the same thing in a different way so that they can receive the information. You've heard the story of me paying a compliment to my wife. While the first time I paid a compliment I paid a compliment as if it was me. And the fact was very cool evening because it in speak proper opera language as poor leadership right I was not thinking about. WHO's going to be receiving this information right? Now when the opportunity showed itself Pinhead again To to pay accomplished at this time I reflected on my audience. Who who am I talking to and and was able to adapt my leadership style to that person's leadership style so that they can receive in any became very authentic was high? Hi Evening Awards Ohio. Oh so if you can find the right way to deliver the message sure things are better. Everything's better saw. I'M GONNA have to put a comma in our conversation. I'm hoping we can continue this in future episodes codes Put a comment at not period. We're GONNA come back and revisit this again because the challenges. I'm really enjoying the conversation and we could probably go for forty minutes if we just let ourselves ourselves What I WANNA really WanNa make sure people know how to reach you? Jj Sue what's the best way more. We'll put a link on our podcast page. Also so it's easier for people but please tell us what's the easiest way for people to get in touch with you and find out more about you while the simplest way would be goalie website the retired spy dot com. Because there's always a contact link female would be sent to us if there's any questions in cuss promptly the easiest one so bright triple W. though retired spy dot com. You remember the retired spy dot com accent. So I WANNA think. Jj for being with me today. And I hope that Everyone listening has gotten some good insights out of it I know. Jd's reminded me of some things that I haven't thought about in a while and so I really appreciate that I think if you'll take what. Jd said about authenticity about adjusting to the person WHO's receiving the message by being your authentic self losing yourself and the communication and the same time getting yourself a better fit the person with communicating. He'll do that and follow the ideas of Jj said and fulfil your purposing. You're you're y you can talk like leader. This has been the talk leader podcast. You can listen to this show every week wherever you get your podcast. You haven't these sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. I'm Guy Harrison. Thanks for listening.

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Target USA -- Episode 212: Disinformation contributes to Dow plunge

Target USA Podcast by WTOP

29:07 min | 9 months ago

Target USA -- Episode 212: Disinformation contributes to Dow plunge

"From podcast one coming up in this episode of target USA in two days this week the Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped almost two thousand points. That's not unheard of but it is unusual and part of the reason why dropped were concerns about the spread of the corona virus but there was a very sinister strain of information running through social media. That may have played a big role in the drop. They were conspiracy theories and what. We call disinformation out of seven million posts and messages online a massive amount almost forty percent. That's more than two. And a half million messages tweets etcetera that were pushing all sorts of narratives. That's what seeing Holland. Ceo of BLACKBIRD. A I it's a software company THAT SPECIALIZES IN COMBATING DISINFORMATION. And some of the stuff. They found was downright stunning. Like Corona virus is caused by eating meat? Drinking Bleach will cure it. It was a genetic engineering test that ran amok and got out of control. And it's amazing. How many people just took a look at a single blog post and thought to themselves? Hey that makes sense. This is a wakeup call to what disinformation can do details coming up on this episode of target USA he national security podcast from WTO in Washington. Dc THIS IS TARGET USA. Russia could render huge arm to this country North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States dangerous terrorist. Dc is repeatedly mentioned as someplace they would like to seek an attack cyber criminals America has a target on. Its back and on this program. We investigate the threats. The people behind them the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target. Usa The national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay. Green something weird happened with the stock market. This week it dropped almost eighteen hundred points in just two days. That's not the weird part though. What's strange is a software company called BLACKBIRD. Ai which uses artificial intelligence to track disinformation discovered a sinister effort to manipulate and distort information about the spread of Corona virus and that information may have seeped into information streams of many people involved in the Stock Market Seem College. Ceo of BLACKBIRD. Ai Joins us to talk about the research. They conducted and the staggering results. They came up with seem what we have been reading and seeing and witnessing on the stock market has been nothing. Short of Kinda puzzling. When you think about Corona virus has been out there that's been one of the causes for the almost two thousand point drop in a couple of days earlier in the week That's been cited but you have found something else that may be connected to this and this is disinformation so start us from the top on on first of all what it is that you do and and how you came into this information so you know. We are a software company that builds driven early warning tools. That help mitigate disinformation and really information warfare to provide critical insights during any kind of emerging crisis. Ideally that help counter measure the damage. The disinformation campaigns can cause so I would start a little bit by just talking about how we think about disinformation so to kind of setup how things really work and so we look at them as as narratives that are trying to manipulate and change how people perceive and think about the world events that are occurring around now. A lot of people think that disinformation and fake news really just about determining whether something is true or false But really it's about whether a particular message is trying to shift somebody's belief in events whether that be financial political personal right so we really look winter messages trying to shift. Somebody's belief in something. And so you mentioned about the financial markets now while we're not creating a definitive link to the drop. Recently the idea here is beliefs and perceptions often shape the financial markets and if a world event like corona virus. That is putting everybody into a panic. Has An additional driver throwing gas on the fire on its perceived threats that could very much affect how people think about that virus in the fears and beliefs that might shift narratives that will damage the financial markets and businesses as well. Okay so please go ahead let me jump in and ask you a couple of specific questions. Then what did you find? In terms of. First the volume of disinformation you found. And secondly what was some of the stuff that this disinformation was pushing so specifically around Corona Virus Really in early February we saw a staggering level of inorganic content in other words content. That did not look to our system like human behavior right and so we saw out of seven million posts and messages online a massive amount almost forty percent more than two and a half million messages tweets etc that were pushing all sorts of narrative so just as an example one of the narratives were a what was called no meat no corona virus. So this was the self proclaimed religious leader that was pushing the fact that anyone who ate meat was the cause for corona virus and the damage that it was doing and the path to salvation was essentially purchasing things from him on his WHATSAPP account. Now it sounds silly. These things sometimes may sound silly at first glance but there were almost a million posts about this particular story in this ten day period which is massive. It had a ninety nine percent on our manipulation index the BLACKFORD manipulation index which is one of the highest. We've ever seen and then we've also seen things like There it is the damage in de-legitimize Chinese Culture. So everything from Animals that Chinese eat Clause Corona virus to even government creating bio weapons which were completely unfounded. Rumors that also made the rounds. Vira in in early to mid February. You know. This is absolutely stunning. I mean not because we haven't heard of of disinformation before. Were very familiar with it as a country. Certainly after what took place with the twenty sixteen election But the thing about this but the thing about this. That's so stunning is that this is taking place. Not just at with one target group of people in mind and not just one organization involved in this but it seems as though there are multiple organizations with different ideologies in different plans at work. Here seems like somebody whispered in on the dark net. Hey there's a good opportunity here we all jump on it. And that's what happened is that is that what you're getting out of this. It's easy to think. There may be like a ringleader. Right but in disinformation has become rather the threat. Actors around disinformation have become e almost a decentralized network of May and what I mean by that is you'll have all types of different motives and intense. Some people are trying to make a quick buck. They just be trying to sell some sort of snake oil for a magic cure to corona virus. Which we've seen others maybe doing sophisticated short trading runs by damaging company reputation. Some people like you say on the dark net might just want to watch the world burn. We see a lot of that. And all of these people will jump on a trending large event. And it's almost like clockwork. You can expect disinformation anytime. There's a raking piece of news whether that be something bad about a company that occurs whether it is a active shooter or some other type of event there will immediately be disinformation. And it's it's almost like a race to how many stories can get out there fast enough but it ranges from financial political to personal motives. And it's something that's the new norm. Yeah so One of the things that In in previous conversations on this One of the things that got my attention is that when an organization organizations are engaged in disinformation one of their goals is to get prominent people to repeat this and I think correct me if I'm wrong but you've actually seen some evidence that this actually happened right with corona virus. We saw various politicians. Picking up the bioweapons conspiracy some on live television. And you know it's easy to point the finger at them and say how could this happen? But the fact is that. All of us are susceptible to disinformation. It's almost like a building onto the age angel rules of marketing. If you see something repeatedly the magic number supposedly is seven times but you could see seven hundred times in the course of a week nowadays and it just soaks in and he becomes hard for people to understand if they heard it from the news or from someone they trust in so then you end up believing these things strongly having seen them coming action at high frequency from all these different sources and the goal of that original campaign create a really was. How can we get a high profile individual to give more ear? You get more oxygen to this narrative by sharing it with his massive audience or her massive audience and they often succeed because they really specifically target public figures politicians IOS much of the time. Yeah and you spoke about politicians and correct command from wrong again but one of those people that actually repeated this was a us. Senator on live. Television is that I believe so. Yes yes and so as a result of that. What do these organizations do with that once that happens? Then what do they do? They've got somebody a high profile person that's repeating their lies. Then what do they do? Well there's no set blueprint but the the real goal if it is how do how do we get that person's audience rights if they target someone say it's an influence on twitter and I mean any kind of influence. It could be a celebrity politician. Ceo They just want their audience. They just want additional eyeballs. Were ears to hear that it all drills down to manipulation right so that the people the audience who now here this coming from a high level person those million people are those five billion. People are more likely to now believe that having that additional data point didn't see a random twitter facebook page. Now the herded coming from a high ranking individuals. So it's not that you know they're waiting and they're always ready to do something else. Just continuing that pattern of Reach as many people as possible because the reach nowadays is the power. It's the scale the speed with which is age-old human behaviors of rumors and gossip are being spread and causing damage. There's no reading intermediaries anymore okay. So let's let's look at How you how did you discover this? How did you find out about this activity? Sure so this is really the core technology that our company BLACKBIRD. Ai has been building for the last couple of years. It is an artificial intelligence platform that ingests massive amounts of data uses deep learning techniques and analyzes networks to understand when something is very different from what standard human behavior is and that includes the ways in which accounts are interacting with one another in a network for example a smaller number of account might be pushing a big impact activity which is highly unusual. Normally when something like a super bowl happens or a big public. Figured is our system can look back network and understand that it's Ganic content System the people are chattering about something in an organic fashion so the key is finding these anomalies signatures of harmful interactions across networks. We combine that with toxic language. Detection of very hyper. Partisan language in combination with toxicity sometimes hate speech and all of these properties including our bought detection algorithms work in concert to understand when a coordinated effort is taking place to push some sort of message. Okay so let's take this out of the technological area and this is not just something that posed a big threat to the stock market this week or to any particular industry. But this could realistically I if the perfect Set of Elements take place impact Nation states it could impact National Security on a much grander scale. Correct DISINFORMATION IS FOR CERTAIN. A national security issue and it needs to be treated as such The the the whole name of the game is to socio economic damage. It's very dangerous for entire countries. It's very dangerous for companies and for all of us as citizens living within that within that community so taking a look at your cove Ed nineteen report. You had a couple of narratives in there. Could you break down those narratives and the abstract or just Maybe the statistics just briefly each one. Three or four. Yes Oh four. We put the four biggest ones that really stuck out to us ensure all right so the first one I mentioned a little bit before Corona virus. No meat no corona virus almost a million tweets and messages that were really again just incredible incredibly high level for any campaign but this attacked him any really religious communities primarily in India and the angle was that lets us museums and images. And you know iconic graphic stories to push that. If you do eat meat you will most likely get corona virus and donate to us by our sacred texts and you will be saved by so this. Is your kind of standard snake oil salesman but twenty twenty version right on on the Internet. Get Very Opportunity opportunistic manipulation campaign the second highest one which we had a almost like a fifty percent manipulation index which is a the blackbird manipulation index. We use to quickly define how bad a situation is. This was kind of clout chasing race-based baiting posts around Chinese food practices of this was really going on across all types of conspiracy sites that de-legitimize culture is a lot of white supremacist and You Know Youtube interview type sites that were using this to spread the idea that hey if I see Chinese person on the street I'm GONNA be concerned. They might have. They might have the virus here in America. Right which is impractical. But it happened. We know across the country. Just from seeing what average citizens were saying So successful campaign by all means By weapons conspiracy was a completely unfounded. Rumor that the carnival engineered and it had spread across Many many networks You know I even heard it from multiple individuals with a very viral campaign and it's amazing. How many people just took a look at a single blog post and thought to themselves? Hey that makes sense. This is about seven hundred thousand total tweets with about a hundred and sixty thousand of those You know being completely inorganic and synthetic nature This was the campaign was actually repeated by a politician so then it spread even further examples of that report and finally there was another story about a tencent to Chinese telecom company having leaked the actual number of of deaths and people infected but it was a completely photo shopped What's we kind of call of falsified leak where know it looks like a leak but it was never a real document to begin with. Of course this caused quite a bit of concern when people thought. Hey the numbers that have been reported a totally fake right much worse than it is so of course all of these what causes ranging from xenophobia to fear mongering around the virus how can we create chaos in a society. That's again what the goals of these campaigns usually are. What haven't I asked you about that? You think is important. Well I would say that. It's very important for people. Leaders both governments and companies to not think about fake news and disinformation as some sort of a passing or harmless issue It needs to be treated like Cyber Security. It needs to be treated like national security needs to have resources allocated to understand how the are under attack in the real problem. Today's everybody has a sense. That okay fake news and disinformation problem out. There is research around it but people don't like to dig too much further to see how bad it might really be kinda sweep it under the rug and hope it goes away but it's not going away and how and man jump in and ask how. How do you know that well? Because we've been studying this space for the past two years Just in the social media space and how it affects communities around the world and we've seen a huge spike since two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen across all social networks. This problem about boxing. Disinformation around all manners of categories. Go far beyond political. If some of these things seem mundane but it's about shaping entire community psychology and it's something that the threat actors were conducting. These campaigns are just getting better and better and better at. We know this is happening because we have had to adapt our technology repeatedly just to keep up. You know we're a startup. We are fighting against massively funded massively coordinated efforts that are building. This kind of disinformation machine in so we're one company and we hope many moral join us but it's it will take a very concerted joint effort globally to really make a dent in this arms race. Okay so you said that. This information should be treated just the same as national security in cybersecurity. And you know. That's a pretty big statement because national security encompasses many many many many things. As you know disinformation it includes a lot of things but are they the same as national security including intelligence and espionage and terrorism and economics. Disinformation new. You believe that. It warrants the same equal treatment as national security itself. Well this is not my national security is not my background but I work with and speak to many people wear. It is their background in. So I know that many countries including our own are taking it quite seriously in are starting to look at it as something that is of the most of the utmost importance for our country in general. Because I mean if you think about it if you can shape our country thinks in believes about the world you can change how they vote. You can change. How they spend is a direct main line to being able to infiltrate People and so it's not. It's not just my belief but there many in governments around the world that now understand this in. We're just glad that we have enough expertise in this place to help. In any way we can the advice for the consumer. Wherever they may be in the world would might might be to Receive with skepticism. Things that you see on social media and on the Internet that's been a long standing rule. Don't believe what you see on the Internet until you can verify it by damn. What would your advice be to people around the world When it comes to consuming material on social media well they would really serve themselves well to educate themselves on how to spot disinformation so there are many different types of texts that you can read on it. They're even resources on our website. Blackbird DOT AI but education is key there are ways to practice how you consume information getting the mechanism of creating that process and investigative journalists. Know this process better than anyone. Because they're always kind of processing these types of facts but I think the consumer has to become more and more savvy on that kind of investigative Or scientific mindset. Where you just have to dig. If you really want to know the truth. It's not. It's not easy and that's why people don't do it so really self. Education is the thing for the consumer to do because you mentioned the most base insight which is just. Don't believe everything you see and it's easier said than done. Even today. People will share articles data. Shows this that we share article just reading the headline? They won't even click. The article is see the headline. That's good enough for them to share it. And that's a problem and that is a big problem that we are somehow as a as a world and as a more connected world going to have to deal with. We won't be able to solve that problem today but what you have done is Cast some light on and giving us some insight into what took place with the markets. This weekend we appreciate that any final thoughts. I think. I think I'm GonNa just glad that a lot more people are looking at these problems in more depth and simply understanding and feeling that this is a problem. They have to investigate more deeply and think about more deeply because really. It's all about making sure that people are more active critical thinkers from general public to the CEO. All the way up to heads of state It's just something that we all have to do in this world. Okay thank you very much. What college the show of Blackbird? Ai Thank you again thank you. That's it for this episode of target. Usa coming up in our next episode. We promised you recently a look at the turmoil inside the intelligence community and we will do that but we also do it with some perspective from the past and look at the future and what we found is both disturbing and consoling all at the same time. That's coming up our next episode in the meantime if you have any questions or comments about our program sent me an email at J. Green at W. T. O. P. dot com. That's the letter j the Color Green One word at Whiskey Tango Oscar Papa Dot Com. That's J. Green at W. T. O. P. Dot Com also. Subscribe TO OUR PODCAST. Please and follow us on twitter at. T- USA podcast. 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Target USA -- Episode 188 | The Fog of Espionage Part 1: Dragons and poisonous snakes

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29:27 min | 1 year ago

Target USA -- Episode 188 | The Fog of Espionage Part 1: Dragons and poisonous snakes

"From podcast one coming up in this episode of target USA An explosion of despise three or four million happened number worked for China unprecedented Russian activity to collect information ball denied it states more than one hundred countries working here the big problem American agents abroad. I looked up and saw a guy looking with binoculars on Jayjay Green. Join me on the next episode of target. USA for the FOB of espionage the enemies defectors the tactics WCHS US agents secrets you've never heard coming up on this edition of Target USA the National Security podcast from in WTO in Washington DC. This is target USA Russia could render huge arm to this country took North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States dangerous terrorist. DC is repeatedly mentioned someplace. They would like to seek an attack cyber under criminal America has a target on its back and on this program we investigate the threats the people oh behind them the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target. USA The national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay Green February second nineteen ninety-three Washington. DC Capitol Hill I hearing room before before the Senate Intelligence Committee a little more than three years after the Berlin Wall fell and the USSR crumbled Jim Woolsey being confirmed firmed as the CIA director issued a disturbing prophecy. Yes we have slain a large dragon but we live now in jungle filled old with a bewildering variety of poisonous snakes and in many ways the dragon was easier to keep track of he was warning about the coming explosion of threats facing using the US he said for now at least cataclysmic risk full scale nuclear war has receded beyond the horizon but fat risk in the shadow of a news great power competition has emerged once again and with it an espionage threat the world has never seen before on any given day there are two to three million people worldwide engaged in espionage. Chris Simmons former CIA counterintelligence brands teeth. He's not alone. You know. We're talking about three or four million former. CIA covert operative Robert Bay in their number one target the number one starting in the World United States clearly marked Kelton retired CIA officer who worked clandestinely jestingly behind the Iron Curtain while Russian intelligence is a critical threat they are not leading this espionage gosh charge of the millions out here around the world involved in espionage happened number for China Chris Simmons again and if you WanNa hear it from someone currently involved in the fight China by far is our preeminent cannon intelligence thread and peatland special agent at the Washington Field Office of the FBI. So what exactly is everybody. After here's Mark Kelton again adversary you're you're trying to define the government secrets that goes well beyond that here's the most important and dangerous part of this story the spy game game against the US does not work like you might think it would we were trying to concentrate our efforts to recruit not American but other foreign nationals Europeans people from the needle east throws from latin-american the late third gay Tretyakov off the most important known Russian defector to the US since the Cold War allegedly ended toll WTO p. three months before where he died there is a reason why Soviet and then Russian intelligence did that we were using them to collect information avowed denied added states but clever but simple premise is this American diplomat will never tell me what he will tell someone like represent of another. NATO country can't for distrust between Americans and Soviets Kennedy ran deep and strong and during a conversation with tragic off in twenty thirty ten that you've never heard he talked more specifically about that distrust this can be wrong oppression that Russian spies working in you do not estates okay. Let's talk about New York that trying to recruit necessarily Americans to have American sources it's time consuming is rather dangerous and Americans historically Arkley from the Cold War. I mean Americans of teenagers people of middle as like people in Ford is in the fifties they still have this special attitude towards rations and because they still it's the the Cold War as they see. I'm not agree okay but cold war is over by the mentality. We'll be in place for a long long time because it gets its genetic level because for too many years American American way afraid of Russian missiles rations for too many years where Freida for American missiles thanking them. Tretyakov said that's why they weren't necessarily looking looking for Americans why this information important nine years after Tretyakov passed away well because the leader of Russia is a former. KGB agent and the mentality according to numerous intelligence officials from the US and abroad tell us today a Russia more than ever is falling back to those old KGB activities and ideologies for example if it's in Western diplomat and he's he talks with his American colleague is absolutely it's wanting an eve. I talked to American in diplomat. It's totally different because American diplomats will never tell me what you will tell to his brother-in-law someone like represent of another NATO country. That's why we were concentrating on the to work with people for not from the United States and believe me there are several basis of recruitment which we use political based off recruitment. is political views mortar psychological basil recruitment is when you try to who blackmails someone and here's an important piece of information that many did not know about the US intelligence communities relationship with the Soviets back during the Cold War and after it allegedly ended there were some rules there was a kind of agreement becoming Americans and rations of the beginning goes nineties not to use this base of recruitment because it's inhumane and every time if we do something bad against Americans Americans can do something against is is because we have our representatives Russians in America in that states and the Americans in Russia but anyway this element are always is presence present in recruiting process. It's important to remember all this was going on in the United States while things overseas were much much much worse. I'm walking along rabble posting or Ravelo Avenue in talent Estonia Russia's next next door neighbor even though the relationship isn't very neighborly to my right is a long block of gray drab looking Soviet era housing a reminder minder of the power presence of the Cold War and the KGB's. I think we have to remember that the Cold War which went from the end of World War Two all the way the early nineteen ninety s was a period of intense espionage between the blocks the Soviet bloc and the and the Free World John Negroponte reporting was the first director of National Intelligence and he points out some of the US's best secrets were stolen through espionage. Josh most notably the secrets in the formula for building an atomic bomb which the Soviets succeeded in stealing from us but as intense dance as the espionage efforts were then the trade craft the number of spies and the stakes today have created an even bigger intelligence problem problem. This is not an entirely new problem being a free and open society as we are and as we want to continue to be a America's a big target. Let's face it where the world's largest economy we're probably the most just advanced country when it comes to to innovation and in innovative approaches to inventing things to setting up new businesses. Mrs To invent a new ways of doing stuff we have a academic community and a and a Gupta Vaca dynamic institutions at the college and the graduate level that is second to none in the world so there's there's a lot of information in this country that can be you know bagged borrowed or stolen. If one want want one wants to make that kind of effort so when you talk about China and Russia being interested in getting what information they can out of the United States states that you know that is still true to this very day. I think you will your your one hundred percents accurate if you are talking in the same room in the same context is folks who are currently serving in the FBI and in the intelligence community unity. They say the exact same thing that you say and do you get the sense just based on your your your your consumer consumer your consumption of news around the world today. Do you get the sense that the Russians and the Chinese Zor pouring more efforts than previous years into their industrial espionage efforts and other efforts especially considering what's at stake now yeah yeah you know it's a good question and since I've not had an operational role of any kind in government for now slightly more than a decade. It's hard for me to give you a reliable answer that question but what I would say is this first of all to distinguish distinguish between China and Russia. I think China I think Russia's still has an interest in technology just like they did when they stole stole the atomic secrets back some whatever it was seventy seventy five years ago but they have been a little bit more involved in what they call active measures what we would call covert action right and so that that's why we have all this issue with Russia about election integrity and their efforts to interfere in election activities both here and in in western Europe and so forth I recognize distinct issue from stealing technology and so forth but I do believe that it is China China invests more in that realm of activity and it doesn't really surprise me. They're in a stage of their development that they want to make another. You know they WanNa make great strides leads in the next so many years to become the most significant economic power in the world and and just one example they send something like three hundred three hundred and fifty thousand students to the United States every year. I'm not trying to say that every one of them is a card carrying spy but they do send a lot of these people to study the stem disciplines and technology and all of that and I think they looked to those people to come back from I'm the US and their studies here with both fresh ideas fresh approaches and also to with the maybe new information about new technologies and so forth that that's not everybody I mean I don't think Chinese nine who come over here to study economics or history or political science or just ipso facto and gathering information for their government meant but it's probably reached a point now in our relationship with China which has become somewhat more adversarial. Let's say in the last couple a couple of years that we have to pay more attention to some people are and they didn't just start paying attention to this issue. Now how twenty some odd years ago I testified for the US Congress on this issue Nicholas Efthymiadis worked in US intelligence for thirty four years now. He's one of the top expert experts on Chinese espionage gave them a warning about Beijing's spying fix this now if not in twenty years from now. You're going to be calling me back. Leaning yelling headed the problem. This at more than twenty years have passed. He's not been called back to Congress but guess what I am confident that the scale I love Chinese. Espionage is orders of magnitude bigger than it was thirty years ago. Douglas wise a retired. CIA Senior Intelligence Service Officer mm-hmm so approximately how big is Beijing's intelligence collecting and espionage force several hundreds of thousands if not up to it it may be even exceeding a million willing Chinese citizens. If that sounds like a big number it is but it's only a fraction of what it could be Nick Nicholas Efthymiadis again. It's unlike what we have in the United States or most other countries China employees a whole of society approach to conduct espionage activities which means not only does it have the structured organizational components with the La Ovation Army and Ministry of State Security as well as other entities such as united front work argument but the senior leadership in the he encourages I josh throughout its state enterprises and in in all segments of society particularly in the commercial applications. I've heard some some numbers thrown around. What are your numbers. When it comes to that let's be specific. The size the size of China's espionage force well it clearly goes into the thousands I mean that much is obvious remember that this is not espionage new traditional sense. We'd call which state secrets this is espionage are because it's not the limited of China's needs so this is primarily economic espionage violations of export enforcement regulations and hopeful society approach to Flip Hattingh type of a law in the United States but not limited to national security several sources. I've spoken to have indicated that they think that there are several million people on a daily basis around the world ruled engaged in espionage in China makes up Chinese China's efforts make up half of that again it depends on Geffen edition of espionage. ought to say hundreds of thousands is not unrealistic. If you're talking for talking globally s the what it is. I know one has a good number on China. Itself has had a good number on that. What's their main target and what are they? What do they want to achieve. Actually you can look at China's Development and growth with and what they want to achieve in twenty two thousand five hundred fifty and those are key dates for China and in fact for Chinese Intelligence we see a I look at I had a database or hundred fifty some odd number of cases a Chinese espionage and the collection really focuses casses on primarily on what they've identified a mate and China Twenty twenty five which is a strategic doctrine for industrial development and you can Z. Clusters of these espionage cases around specific technologies so China's looking to advance its looking to advance as a global power and and it says very specifically to be at the top of the world the People's Daily by twenty fifty each erasing what they it was a they say he's a century of humiliation and China is using industrialists off economic espionage made that happen the Chinese espionage effort against the US is conflicted in one sense it appears as though they wanNA destroy the US. They WanNa take everything away from the US that the US has ask but by the same token China is intimately depended upon the US economy. I think it's an interesting dichotomy that the Chinese have found themselves cells are so dependent on the same economy the US economy that is causing them to see us as is the greatest threat and makes a new pair adversary Douglas wise former deputy director so it's an interesting dichotomy and I think you framed correctly that you know they want to be able to penetrate the US economy. They've demonstrated that multiple times it's well-documented well documented the largest theft of corporate information and intellectual property literally in human history was mounted by the Chinese knees for the express purpose of being able to characterize the US environment the US economy to be able to determine where economic weaknesses are where Chinese Chinese economic advantages can play into those weaknesses in equally importantly the extraordinary in spectacular dominance of the United States workforce and economy and innovation in imagineering which the Chinese just don't do they looked at the US economy me as a target in that in that perspective and I think it goes back to the point that you made. which is you know for what purpose? It's it's one to save in research development dollars. It's to make the Chinese economy stronger to make the Chinese military stronger to make the Chinese Chinese political influence throughout the world stronger and is to weaken their main enemy which is the United States Garnham. This also speaks to the fickle nature of espionage and indeed the way world power works just as you think you've got it figured out God then there's a new element something that you didn't plan on being introduced into the mix a perfect example. Is this at the top of this podcast. You heard Jim Wolsey in nineteen ninety-three. Say This yes we have slain large dragon but we live now in a jungle angle filled with a bewildering variety of poisonous snakes and in many ways the dragon was easier to keep track of here is the most significant piece of of this entire series everything that you will hear revolves around what you are about to hear twenty-six years and seven months after. He said that he said this target. USA dragging was slain but not not was not really slain was wounded. You said that maybe maybe the dragon was wounded. Instead of slain what is state. Do you find the dragon in now angry. Having suffered suffered some setbacks from our own intelligence forces and special forces in the rest. somewhat wounded. Here's our conversation in context on September sixteenth two thousand nineteen at ten thirty. Am looking at what so you said then and looking at where we are now what's your view on the espionage picture first of all the the dragon seemed pretty dead in late. December and early January February of that year actually for the next I four or five years the relationship between the US and was pretty cordial ally and the relationship in a lot of the elements of dealing with in Russia was was quite different than it had been in to say six months to a year earlier so I think that's one thing is that the dragon was slain but not not not really slain was wounded and we have Zoya one set set of problems to deal with again because you're you're came after a few months anyway era came Putin and so so forth so so I want to ask you what your views on espionage today and I- frame this question using the words of Duncan Lewis who just stepped up down as the head of Australia's Security Intelligence Organization and in his farewell speech he said espionage is the number one threat facing Australia and extensively other Western nations to today surpassing terrorism. What are your thoughts on that. I think think espionage in the sense of recruiting spies and doing brush passes in and and various techniques into the espionage stealing data as as vapor reports and so forth has in a lot of ways almost gone with the wind. It's not the espionage is unimportant. Certainly certainly getting hold of data is important but a lot more data has been stolen stolen by people who of Snowden and others who consider themselves heroes and have been a a operating for different types of purposes than I would have been the case before The Australian and service spoke It's a a very difficult situation and I would say that certainly obtaining by whatever means the material that you wanted to bleaker government wants in order to understand the a technology and the ability of cyber a software and hardware and all of that is if you include include that in espionage then yes the the kind of services statement is pretty well accurate curate but if you think of espionage as just old fashioned espionage in which you make up something from a opposing case officer Sir and he hands you a piece of code and you take it and give it to your office at your own intelligence service service that has has really really I think a deteriorated as focus of what people are doing so something that we believed for more than a quarter of a century essentially wasn't true that the great dragon of the Cold War. The the Soviet Union had been destroyed. The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore but many of the vestiges of the Soviet Union including some of the people who we're very active on the KGB intelligence team are still engaged and still significant Vladimir Putin being number one on the list list but here's another view there those who agree the dragon was never killed but the poisonous snakes that Wolsey referred to on out there Russia Russia is not a dragon but one of those poisonous snakes and aided by more than a century of espionage doctrine and tradecraft Russia is again again a formidable foe for the US as China but there is another giant a tiny island in the Atlantic and coming up in our next episode road the Cubans. They've survived this long. The regime has survived this long because they're so good at collecting intelligence. Pete Lap is a special social agent with a Washington field office of the FBI. They develop human sources in my opinion like no one else and they don't develop people that do it for money back they would they would. They would be suspicious of that. They find folks that have some kind of visceral empathy in what cube is trying to do or what their because no one of those people was on a billion monsters. I knew I knew the guy that recruited did Annabella Montes and Margaritas Alaska's Enrica. Garcia is a former Cuban intelligence official who defected to the US bringing along on with him thousands of documents and decades of intimate knowledge of Cuban intelligence operations. I knew I knew about the Cuban government mm-hmm and project to get inside the US government to penetrate the US intelligence community a deep look at Cuba's espionage practices in the past and today against the US coming up on our next episode of target USA. If you have any questions or comments send it'd be an email at J. Green at W. T. O. P. dot com. 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Target USA -- Episode 177: The Huawei 5G dilemma -- why the US and its allies are so nervous

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29:57 min | 1 year ago

Target USA -- Episode 177: The Huawei 5G dilemma -- why the US and its allies are so nervous

"From podcast one coming up in this episode of Target U._S._A.. We do need to have a serious national discussion about what things need to be made in the United States. That's a former U._S.. Intelligence officials issuing a warning that seems to have been largely ignored the people who make your hardware computers. I'm talking about art. Potential insiders in your business as warning is about Chinese technology and it may surprise you that warning was issued eleven years ago as a result of that unheeded warning you know very well defined G. and all what is related to Chinese technology is very hot topic to moment. It's more than just a hot our topic it's a crisis and roll rick the National Cybersecurity Policy Director for the Estonian government a global technological powerhouse discusses the problem that the main questions how can we control the technology that we use and the technology that our information society is built on. That's the main question coming up on this edition of Target U._S._A.. National Security podcast from W._T._o.. In Washington D._C.. This is is target U._S._A.. Russia could render huge arm to this country North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States Dangerous Terrorist D._C.. Is repeatedly mentioned as someplace they would like to seek an attack Jack Cyber Criminals America as a target on its back and on this program we investigate the threats the people behind them the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target U._S._A.. The national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay Green. You probably have heard by now about the U._S.. Government's concerns regarding hallway a the Chinese company has for many years according to technology experts used secret access points prebuilt into export equipment that could allow Chinese intelligence teams to conduct cyber operations nations using the affected equipment cyber security research firm finite state has just released a stunning report declaring that fifty five percent of while we equipment has at least one back door for access point. This is why officials around the world or so concerned about the coming five G. Rollout while way is the leading provider of equipment used in those networks as far as the U._S. Casco's. Here's the crux of the problem and the Chinese right now quite relentlessly putting on a full court press against American government business. That probably sounds like something you've heard from a U._S.. Government official recently. That's that's because you have heard it. What's interesting about that? Particular comment coming from that particular person is that it was eleven years ago that Joel Brenner who was the national counterintelligence executive at the time time issued a stark warning he was warning about a problem. The world is now come face to face with normally what we do is go back and get the historical perspective to set the scene for the problem but but in this case let's hear about the problem first and then go back and examine how we got here in hopes that we can avoid making the same mistakes again that we made by pretty much ignoring what Brenner warned about Oh years ago and to do that we traveled back to late May twenty nineteen talent Estonia a sit down conversation with Raul Rick the National Cybersecurity Policy Director for the Estonian government government at the moment we faced a chance that's related to the trustworthiness of the electronic equipment. I should take than software so as you pursue me how you know very well that the five G. and what is related to Chinese technology's very hot topic to moment in European Union in United States and also in Estonia so <hes> we are looking at this challenge. It's not so specifically only in the five G. context but also more widely that the main question is how can we control the technology that we use and. And the technology that our information society's built on that's the main question so have you answered that question yet not yet because there seems to be that the basic problem in this field these that the two countries simply don't have enough capability to deal with this issue at the moment and it doesn't concern only Estonia it concerns European countries U._S. as well all countries around the world because the technology that we use he's produced by different companies. We if we start to look more closely how these equipment than software is put together the technology providers minded issues hundreds of different products and components to put it together and now the main question is how we can control it how we can control something that the number is companies round the world have developed components because the question is who's going to test it and how we can ensure that supply chain is secure enough how we can do that. That's takes massive capability because for example if we print out <hes> the operation system of Microsoft's words for example or Microsoft Office then we get the millions of lines of text if you print his Co.. Out on the paper so and these the new update comes after authorize month or another than this process starts again so the big question. Is that how we can control technology that we use you know there's a big thing going on in the states right now the U._S. regarded Parkway Walkway and this very thing you're talking about you. Know is the reliability of the components of equipment and you know concerns about whether or not something might be manipulated for a bad purpose. Were bad reason. How does Estonia get past those kinds of issues and challenges we we don't get passed because the at the moment <hes> we rely on the Dick Knowledge it comes also from China and from other countries and so far there hasn't been let's say we there hasn't been this kind of chance? This question has been raised because when society start to use find G. Technology the ISOTOPIC non she comes even closer to us. We we are going to be more dependent on that and now this question is on the table and the now we are trying to find the solution what to do about it because if we are very very very precise than that alternative technology providers are producing their technology in China for example so if we exclude who are they for example and who is next in the line Ericsson Lisa Eriksson highs joint ventures in China they have to follow the Chinese legislation the same way as well way fee excludes Ericsson than we should bring Nokia. Leukemia has already started joint ventures in Russia with Russian. Come up or ICED tea companies so the question is that the home to pick if you look at the situation from the national security perspective well how and there's not enough time for anybody to start building these kinds of things from a national point of view. There's also I guess the question of resources to do something like this and then there's the scaling of it. There's is also the standards the international standards that have to be met in order for something like this to come to the market. So what's your suggestion what I know you play a big role in this discussion as the policy director. So what are you offering as a possible way forward. I have to say that our government has not made a decision yet but what they can say that it seems to be that there is no single solution that solves the problem <hes> it seems to be that we have to use different the to say different majors I could be that we exclude certain providers. That's one the second the measure certainly certification of the I._C._T.. Equipment and the at the moment in European Union there is a break owing gun in order to create the Framework for certification is Dick Whitman's from the cyber security perspective the second major. We should set an implement the third one is control better the telecom operators. What kind of technology do US be more part of the risk assessment and the measures implementation? And for these to create or raise the capability of from the to inspect and control the technology from the national security perspective or these four it should be implemented inserts. That's Rawal Rick. He's the National Cyber Security Policy Director for the Estonian Ministry of Economic Affairs and Communications. We'll hear from him again but the bottom line on what he said is there is no single solution for dealing with this problem so the problem is supply chain protection. How do we do that? How does the U._S. approach it? I had a conversation about six months ago with Bill Evans who's the the national counterintelligence and Cyber Security Director here in the United States and this is what he had to say about that the name of the campaign is no the risk reeser shield in the idea behind it is provide the private sector industry academia <hes> <hes> the rate tools and capabilities to understand what the threat we face from nation states are and some key tools and capabilities to prevent and mitigate those threats that went across the landscape from social media to spearfishing the supply chain the penetration the government is very good about <hes> informing <hes> in making indictments and arrests but sometimes we have to go the extra yard and explained and <hes> advise you inform a key avenues for which adversaries penetrate eight are systems and I think this is an effort to be able to reach not only are big corporations but the mid size and small businesses across America who maybe don't have the cyber capabilities they need to defend and we're hoping we could add a little bit of value to help them defend end part of their infrastructure. Give us a sense of some of the examples that underscore the foreign intelligence threats faced by U._S.. Companies sure I think when you look at <hes> just even over the course of the last <hes> two years J._J.. With the in Mount of indictments it's <hes> it would not only in the economic espionage around but the A._p.. Ten indictments that the F._B._I. And D._O._J.. Had and all the Workday D._H._S. has done <hes> the manifestation of the threat posed by foreign actors has grown so who <hes> vastly and had expedited itself. We need to be in clear public private partnership to help industry understand what the threat is some supply chain how spearfishing can be mitigated one on. How are you ve honorable? When you travel overseas business or personal event? I think the government owes out to the private sector to be able to show I not only via pamphlets but we call them video vignettes how this looks like in real life. This'll be four years ago that you <hes> in your role. I think you had just become N._C._I._S. at the time and <hes> one of your former colleagues <hes> Randy Coleman who was <hes> director assistant director in charge of counterintelligence counterintelligence. I believe at the F._B._I.. Spoke to me and other journalists right as the video company man was being released in that particular <hes> media opportunity you spoke both of you spoke about the the pervasive nature of Chinese <hes> threats <hes> in the torch U._S. companies and the different types of means that they were using <hes> at that time in what appear to be a very rapidly growing <hes> a threat area put in context for us. How China's activities have changed since then well? I think they've grown <hes> J._J.. I think they've been exacerbated by the need and the Strategic Plan Chinese President Xi Jinping Hang to be the global dominant factor not only geopolitically militarily and from an investment financial perspective they want to be number one in the world and they will stop at nothing to get there and that we looked at it from a perspective the last two years and the manifestation of the threat has grown to areas like supply chain and <hes> we have to be able to be <hes> expeditious and how we share information we get from a threat perspective to corporations to help protect their supply chain and not only from an infrastructure hardware perspective but also as well as a software perspective and a few months ago we released our supply chain vulnerability and economic espionage which really hit the market hard with respect to the new ways of which foreign actors primarily China are penetrating are control systems in our skater systems <hes> both in small companies and large through software and I think it's really important again. I'll emphasize the public private partnership to be able to defend our nation a whole of society fighting approach to defend against the whole of government approach for what you're being attacked so I need to ask you a question for an honest answer and not that you wouldn't be honest but <hes> just to get at the heart of this is private industry getting this because. You've been at this for a while and you've been saying very similar things for a while. You've been going back and coming up with new things obviously to help them out because as soon as you put out something the adversaries try to essentially undermine or essentially figure out a way rounded are is private industry getting it. I believe they are and not at the SP at the pace that we would like J._J.. But I think there's been more of a focus interest to last two years particularly with the increase indictments and legal you'll process. That's been brought out by D._O._J.. And just for some numbers J._J.. Since July there's been twenty indictments and arrests against individuals and businesses from China alone in economic espionage portfolio what that results in in the reality aww for business for them to be able to understand what you're asking is it results in jobs lost billions of dollars in research and development and future lost first to market with capabilities with respect to what we are developing proprietary information and trade secrets so I think the businesses are starting to now feel that pain and that loss into damage that's caused by the economic espionage so yes. I think they're getting it but I think we in the government have to be more effective in efficient to continue to drive this because is this is an enduring threat. I think we have to be efficient and effective and how we continue to be <hes> in an advisement role threaten warning in an enduring as well that's bill ever Nina he's director of the national counterintelligence and and cybersecurity center and what he said was big business private industry the private sector they're getting it but not as fast as they would like them to. Despite the fact that they've been talking till the blue in the face they've sent the materials they created courses all sorts of ways in which people can learn more about the cyber security risks and threats out there. We still aren't getting it fast enough mm-hmm. How long has it taken us? You're about to hear a portion of an interview that was done eleven years ago. And why is it relevant well as soon as he starts talking. You'll understand why it's relevant because it's the same thing pain that we're hearing current. Intelligence and cybersecurity officials say today only he said it long ago and as I said earlier in the program. I think it's important to hear this because it puts in context. Just how big a problem we still have in the U._S.. When it comes to cyber security we do need to have a serious national discussion about what things need to be made in the United States? That's that's a hard issue involving lots more than intelligence and I'd I WANNA flag the issue but I don't want to <hes> say you know too much about it. It's very difficult to generalize. I'll put down one marker which is computer chips. Chiefs are a big issue right now and I'll say that the people who write your software and the people who make your hardware computers I'm talking about now are insiders in your business or potential angel insiders in Your Business and that means that for really sensitive business functions we have to figure out where we want certain ships to get made. That's not for most things but for very sensitive things if I could press a little bit further on that then we know most of them are made or many of them are made <hes> that discussion with that discussion include essentially saying look we have to stop the the the hemorrhage or stop the invasion I mean is that the idea here because that appears to be what's happening on a lot of levels at least as far as dod number of government organizations have reported <HES> COMP- being compromised by some of these is that is that is that the idea you're talking about to stop to stop those problems. Well we want to stop <hes> compromises but all compromises aren't aren't <hes> function of where things are made. You could have things that are made in the United States and still have compromised systems of course what's now difficult is what is made in the United States mean when a lot of the components of something are made abroad and where the where some government organization will tell you can call it made in the United States as such and such percentage of it with made in the United States and even if the whole thing was made in the United States who wrote the software in IT and and most people don't know that you're walking into your microphone with a Tape Recorder right here where it was. was that made and what where was the you've got to look at the bottom. The figure it out you got a pretty good guess and then their pieces in it. Where were they made? Where was the software written? There's no reason why most people should know the answer to those questions but if you're trying to understand what you're vulnerabilities these are you might want to know the answers to those questions and here's one of the most telling parts of the interview when you compare what was happening eleven years ago to today the counter espionage problem is never going to go away that's to say dealing with human human spies among US rooting them out but the the fact that we now are so thoroughly interlinked and move information a so well and so widely means that that we're vulnerable electronically if you can infiltrate another countries or in other companies or governments electronic systems <hes> their their email servers and there are ways of moving and storing information if you can do that from ten thousand miles away in the comfort of your own office in another country you may not have to run a SPA and if you can do that if you can do those electronic penetrations nations and have them enabled by an insider. That's the worst of all possible worlds so what we've come to realize is that we have a a counterintelligence vulnerability. That's electronic. We're we're we're are vulnerable to new remote attacks. We're vulnerable to <hes> electronic attacks that are aided by people close in insiders <hes> as well as to an old fashioned spy and and and that that awareness has become well. I guess I'm glad to say the two years ago I felt that we had a very low level of awareness of that and the government now the level of awareness is much higher frankly in in the private sector the level of awareness very uneven we have very sophisticated companies and some that have not begun to understand their own vulnerabilities is that awareness matched by readiness. I know people who even becoming aware of it and say well what we'd be doing and <hes> we we have some thoughts on that. The there are some technological issues is but actually the behavioral problems people people being careless in the way they designed systems and the way they operate systems and the things that people do on governmental or company <HES> systems are are are an issue you look let me give you an example you go to a foreign country <hes> or maybe not even a foreign country. It could be some some trade show somebody gives you a thumb drive or free CDs and this is cool. Stop and it's free and you know what you have to pay for a little thumb drive. You know one of these things about the size of your thumb the that that can store more information than than than any small thing could restored fifteen or twenty years ago and and it's tiny put it in your pocket or put it on your keychain. We'll you can stick that into a computer and suck out all the information. That's in it can be done very quickly. You can also find that the the free thing you got has some kind of malware virus on it and that not only could be a malware virus that will either confused or destroy your own operating system but it could be the kind of thing which phones home in exile traits information electronically especially. If you're hooked up wirelessly once you're hooked up wirelessly anything that can be done electronically can be undone electronically it can often be undone remotely electronically and if you're walking down the street with your your Bluetooth <hes> having a cool conversation somebody else can be listening. Somebody else could be infiltrating malware into your into your system now. Most folks are not targets the way <hes> government officials might be or the director of research or major company but most of us now have had some experience with with something nasty happened to our computer because some malicious S._O._B.. His <hes> stuck something on our system. In ways we weren't weren't aware of making that harder to do is not just an issue of convenience. It's an issue now of information security dirty that was Joel Brenner former national counterintelligence executive during an interview in two thousand eight now back to the present or at least the recent past role Rick National Cybersecurity. Already policy director for the Estonian government and the question was how do you get people's attention. Also Rick addresses the power that ordinary citizens have in their own pockets when it comes to protecting themselves regardless of supply chain issues. I think that the that in my view the idea cyber security's that people don't need to see because if we put too much responsibility of the shoulders of the regular persons and organizations we will never get the situation will decide this cyberspace security. It's so fundamental problem that how to secure the network and connectivity services so I think that's what the stone yeah I would say by accident has made right so we have graded on top of the regular Internet we have created secure Internet and that we can use our electronic eighty cards for twenty identification system so we they we take the burden away from the regular person's so they can be sure that the they are at safe safe while using electronic services so I would say that if there's one thing that certainly takes the cybersecurity to the next Levin is the implementation of electronic. That's that's it's one of the main things I would say. You know. We have social security cards in the U._S.. We have a driver's license in the U._S.. Does Estonia have those items to or do you just I have one thing you know. Actually the most important thing regarding Electronica de is not the plastic piece of plastic but the chip is exactly but what is this chip the cheap he's actually encryption device so when our government issues electronically these are government actually a gives state of art encryption capability to the hands of the regular Mula Persons and also <unk> enterpreneurs so that's that's the way how we can ensure the security of the interactions over the Internet. We don't need to secure the Internet itself we create secure connectivity activity but the possibility for that is this chip or the encryption capable at the in the hands of the regular person and they'd say also that the second very very important aspect is that the is not a closed system that the only government officials could use or only certain organization could use its nationwide system so I can interact everybody if I want to make a business. If I want to interact with the government I can use the same system. 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Refocus Anxiety to Creativity, Rumi Oracle, Guides, Finding Harmony, More Msgs from Her Heart + the Hearts of These Artists...

Your Own Magic

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Refocus Anxiety to Creativity, Rumi Oracle, Guides, Finding Harmony, More Msgs from Her Heart + the Hearts of These Artists...

"You are being initiated more deeply into your life purpose your passion will reveal itself to you with more debt nuance and beauty than ever before. If parts of your life are dissembling or do not seem to be working out as you had planned. These are symptoms of this passionate revelation. Be Curious and open to what presents itself in the wake of the falling away. Be Ready for the journey within now. You are strong enough to leave behind the need for external validation whilst you learn to validate yourself now let the magic begin. Hello Jay Jay Muscle try. It's Ricca and I hope that you are having a very expansive experiencing quarantine or isolation are whatever your land is asking of you asking for you and I think it's a beautiful that though we're free spirits we choose to. You know collectively do this together for the sake of humanity yet. A lot of us like myself happened to be choosing to be with our family. There are moments where I'm like. I think I'm just going to go get an AIRBNB and have my own space. And I'm like no precale this. Is you running from a lesson from a teaching? And I'm so happy I didn't because surrendering to it has only unlocked another piece of happiness and just love and pure acceptance for my family. I'm so so thankful for them. But Dow one quote from Ramda's is one of the quotes that really. It's home for me if you think you are enlightened. Go and spend a week with your family. Well try a month in lockdown. Many of us are experiencing that but man. It's so beautiful at the same time I mean we end up learning to honor each other's rhythms and finding great patients in love and joy and laughter. I am so happy so happy to be with them at this time. I couldn't imagine any other way to be honest because if I wasn't I'd be missing them. So if you are having moments where you struggled with family just know that that is I mean. They're such mirrors and they know so much about your human experience that you feel you have expanded from and then they can trigger. Bring that up. That's just such an opportune moment to really explore that so you can free yourself from these narratives and Holy Shit become way more vibrational Lee high and there's another. There's some messages that I just felt like. I wanted to deliver this inspiration for this episode. I perhaps some of you might also be experiencing Zayed's and part of my morning alignment routine. I listening to a lot of Abraham Hicks because it just really does remind me of truth and I can feel my self filling a little more elevated a little more uplifted. Every time I listen to them more in tune with my soul and honestly condition Lewis. Unconditional right unconditional. When it comes to happiness I mean right now. I'm alive I'm happy. The Sun is rising every morning. I have you guys that I can always turn to my family. My Soul family and we all have each other. You know like that is so beautiful to know that there are so many other minded beings out there that are so similar to how we perceive the world as we all are just so curious about expanding our consciousness and elevating being more aware of what is beyond the physical and being open to that yet sometimes with that perspective there can be a lot of anxiety for a lot of other things that perhaps we perceive our life as if we see our life should be another way however I highly emphasize the beauty of being able to refocus this attention instead of releasing this anxiety or adding that pressure to releasing variety as UAE. Why add more pressure to anxiety itself but instead simply just refocusing refocusing our attention as what I thought. That was so brilliant. Abraham Hicks said the reason why you have this anxiety as you have a powerful mind and you focused yourself into a lot of expansion that your beliefs aren't letting you live letting you experience in the tug of war going inside. I have for some reason. Didn't write the rest of her quote but basically what she's saying is the tug of war that is going on inside is simply us resisting the love the truth of from our inner being to recognize that perhaps our soul we have become more than what are human is allowing so our human mind might be holding us back in some way yet. We know more we feel more and so there's a lot of anxiety especially during this time where we perhaps have this perception. We've created these chains. Were still free. We're still free not behind jail bars. What if what if you were basically like a bucket? Md of any burdens of any rocks being weightless so being free however every burden that comes each rock that comes weighs you down and belong stays in there. You know collects dust just skits weighed down and this is the time where we can like. Take out these rocks one by one appeal weightless what a beautiful time for us to truly express ourselves. There are so many ways that we can do this. Of course. Meditation is the ultimate wave and to be able to connect with our guides and simply way to connect with our guides. I mean I've been connecting with my guys more especially today when I was wondering what I wanted to talk about and I felt very guided to share the power of creation. Perhaps those of you listening your guides may want you to receive messages. That will not only heal. You heal others and turn those messages into physical form. And so of course spirit guides or whatever label you want to place on these very infinite and expensive label lists non-physical beings but spirit guide. Seems to be what really resonates I of course into that meditative state. I can link. Honestly you can go to any guided meditation. There's plenty free on youtube. There's many on my site. I've I've free ones off on my site if not I'm GonNa look into that and make it free at this time for sure because I know this is a time where I mean. It's time for us to all diving in dive deep and not feel weighed down by any financial concerns whatsoever. Right so the key. The absolute key is letting your mind go because the mind is the ultimate blocker between you in that world. They're always there but it's just the mind gets in the way and it's a little hard to hear them ore. You might translate their beauty their love and their guidance says thought which is fine as long as it right but I just feel very guided to give you permission though. You don't need it but sometimes it's nice for our minds to hear it to simply allow yourself the space without you. Don't need a timer or anything. Just maybe even put away the headphones or put the headphones and in place in music or a guided meditation or just focus on your breath. I actually recommend more than anything to put it all away all the guidance away as much as I'd love you to listen to meditations really what I care most about you connecting with your soul with your truth. I mean that's what this universe wants more than anything right so to put it all away. Focus on your breath focusing on a beam that beams from the crown of your head the way down to your root all the way down through to the earth sending sending love to that energy in allowing the energy of the Earth Movement Earth. Send love backup through you and then up and out through your Crown Chakra feeling that beam of light that beam of light that streams through. You is a light that you're always connected to and you might think you're making this light up in your mind but just trust that that light that you see that you feel in your own way your own experiences truth. Our minds are so tricky in that way where we think that we're making this stuff up but I mean yeah we're powerful and all but we're so powerful we can see it. It's not made up so that he just trusted. That's your beam that is allowing you to receive this information and so at this time. Perhaps the guides might be wanting you to create something just simply for yourself for your family for a friend or maybe for the collective. This is how we need your art we WanNa see our whether that be a painting or a digital illustration or a song or a poem you know what in fact this is inspiring me. Please send it to me. My email is hello at Raquel. Mantra dot com link that below. But please send me whatever you end up creating that streams through you after your meditation and I'm GonNa posted on the site or if there's anything that you have been creating that you just WanNa share new want the Yummies to see feel free to send to me an all even get on the INSTAGRAM's which I haven't really been on lately and I'll post on the story because I mean what you create deserves to be seen because that is the universe speaking through you and that is something that is going to connect with all of us as we're all in this together so wow okay that just came out and I'm just going to accept it I'm GonNa Roll with it. I hope all of that made sense. Yeah that would be fun and I do want to book the same place. Sedona in advance. So I'll be posting the SEDONA retreat for next year the same time because that was so magical of course you know if something like Kuroda or whatever else prevents it from happening. You'd get a refund. Obviously but yeah. I'm going to post that as well because I definitely am very excited to have another one in that same space. In fact I visualize myself one day perhaps even owning a retreat space a home. They're just because that's a powerful place for people to heal and free themselves and I would just love to. That would be the lifelike sears. That'd be the life to have a retreat type center where we can all connect and just have a moment away from all the madness and bring love into each other's lives in connect with our spirit guides our souls and loved ones and find out our Claire Senses and do all the Yoga. The breath work all the things you know and just establish new habits and routines that remind us about the beauty of our soul so I truly just decided that in this I would just flow. I would just ramble. I would just go you know what I actually want to do right now. I want to play some Tarot. Hold on a second all right. Let's do some Tarot a second. So this is one of my favorite Tarot decks from Alana Fairchild the Rumi Oracle. Oh it's so powerful actually. It was alley that introduced me to the deck alley. I'm assuming Mosey who she is but just in case Alley Michelle. She's a former CO host lashes. One of my soul sisters for life and this is one of the most powerful decks that I've ever ever experienced and it's still probably my favorite deck today. There's something it's poetic. It's indeed of channeled with channeled illustrations child writings and roomies writings. It's a powerful deck. Let's just put it that way. So you know what because this always helps the podcast of course spreading at since as you know. I don't really market it at all except for on instagram. Or You guys share in episode so I will send the stack to two of you. Who shared this episode? Or your favorite podcast episode. And then I'll announce the winner Wednesday. Has that all right. So let's do this. Usually when I'm looking for the deck. I either choose card that jumps out or I wave my hand over the deck that is scattered about in a rainbow and I hover. My right hand over the deck feeling my right ring finger and I wait for a heat a little. It's like a slight little buzzing vibration sensation that heats up. And you can feel the hotness and then when my finger gets warm gets hot has a little vibration sensation. I know that that's the one and I selected but I I say a prayer the deck. They're angels one message or messages. Would you like those listening here? In this moment okay. I'M GONNA pick two cards. Nope pick three. I guess I'M GONNA pick three cards all right. I'm excited so okay all my gosh. I can't believe I pick this one again today. This is one. I'm really feeling okay. Anyways so think of the to five or thirty nine and perhaps pick one of those numbers maybe to resonate right now so for those who picked to by the way. That's the one that I picked today. Now it's like oh my gosh. This is exactly the message on needed to hear. So the Rumi Poem is Love. Life flows through the heart. Feel the thrill of the flow and say nothing. Who all right. This oracle comes to you with guidance. You are being initiated. More deeply into your life purpose your passion will reveal itself to you with more depth nuance and beauty than ever before. If parts of your life are dissembling or do not seem to be working out as you had planned. These are symptoms of this passionate revelation. Be Curious and open to what presents itself in the wake of the falling away. Be Ready for the journey within now. You are strong enough to leave behind the need for external validation whilst you learn to validate yourself in time soon enough in fact you shall reveal your innermost beauty and be witness and received acknowledged for your innate value purpose in divinity but for now sweet beloved dive deep be defiant and determined to honor your heart so your deep passion maybe witnessed by you and eventually naturally make its way into sacred expression in the world who all right so that is to now for five. Oh by the way the to the title of two was passion for purpose all right. So those who picked five I. Surge on the uprising wave of love. That's the title of this in the Room E. Poem. My life can be summed up in three accounts I was raw I was uncooked. I was cooked and I was burned. Roomy this oracle comes with a message for you. There are changes happening and they will be out of your control. This is because you are ready for accelerated life change rather than paddling. You'll be caught up in a wave and moved farther faster. Let Yourself Sir John. With the energy of what is happening leading with your heart and just going with whatever unfolds this will bring you the best fortune and open you up to the divine destiny that is your birthright this lifetime who I hope that resonates. I'm sure it will. If it does not already for those who picked five and then thirty nine blessing of Zara I wish you could see the illustration as well but I highly recommend getting the stack. She's a powerful one all right. Thirty nine This article comes with special guidance. For you you are being given a blessing of Zara of a radiance of brightness. This blessing has a purpose. It is to clear out that which would obstruct your full unfoldment to support the divine jewel of your soul in shining. You are being given an opportunity supported by life by the Earth by the grace of the divine beloved to shed toxins from your being. These may be physical and they may equally be of emotional psychic or psychological origin. They may come from this or another lifetime. You may understand consciously what is being released or you may not if you are sensitive you may feel symptoms of detoxification at a physical level. Even if what you are releasing is emotional or psychological in nature. This oracle also brings the message that if something appears to be leaving your life even something painful to release. It is because it is no longer healthy for you or no longer supporting of life for you. There is something more loving and beautiful awaiting. Do not try to feast upon scraps stops creeping in the dirt for Stale bread crumbs rise up and moved towards the sea at the heavenly table gleaming before you for greater feast awaits your attendance. Who all right. There's your messages from the heart of my closet. The coup sticks in here are the best. You know when you have lived that podcast life. You always find a way. When I was living in London I was living in a very tiny studio apartment. But the ceilings were so tall and I was also next to a road. Though wasn't such a busy street I would still sometimes hear voices walk by so Mike. Quietest please Suez the bathroom. And there where I had my conversations so I did indeed keep that place clean and I made sure to Have Crystals around. And just keep the energy uplifted. I didn't mind it actually found it surprisingly. Oddly cosy Yeah but I just thought idea. That was hilarious. I Miss London. I can't wait when I'm able to travel again. I indeed I intended on going back to the UK around this time. We'll I I was GONNA make a pitstop to Hawaii at this time and then the UK. But right now the fact that I'm here I just know that this feels so right to be here with my family spending all this time with my mom and dad and just all of us embracing our evolved cells beautiful. It truly is so beautiful. Would it be nice to have a love at this time? Absolutely but I know he's coming I know he's coming ladies and gentlemen who are single. I just want you to know that. Never settle. Just who knows where they're your partners at your twin flame your soulmate. Whatever you want to call that human or perhaps it's just not the right time but the right time will come mine done and I have been watching. The love is blind on Net flicks and I was like I just. This is so hilarious. I just to understand how people could just get married to someone that they don't really know but then because knowing that we don't get to fully see how these relationships develop. I could see how the beauty is that they really do. Learn to love each other souls before they see each other and I was like that is amazing. Oh my gosh just imagine just getting to know one soul before ever physically seeing that human though of course we ideally want to be attracted to every area but I mean to I fall love with someone soul blindly. That's beautiful so I actually found a lot of beauty in it though was hilarious ways and I think you know I like to psychoanalyze especially with my dad psychoanalyze. These reality shows conditions so entertaining such a world that is foreign from my own but then I was thinking about is like why do I have this desire to be on a love dating reality show? That's so weird and then as like. Oh maybe it's just my Leo. Well maybe it's just my performer. Version of mice might performer soul. And then I was listening to an interview of how they received the invited and one of them said that they were seeked out on. Dm On instagram demonize. Like the only way I would do the show. I wouldn't seek it out like they have to come to me. Of course my projector. I must be invited and no joke a week later. A casting director for an upcoming reality show reaches out to me on deums and expresses her interest in a reality show. Unfortunately this one just doesn't really feel aligned right now however. I have no doubt that the if this was meant to happen another one will just come but also another one doesn't. That's totally fine. But I just thought that that was such an interesting random manifestation that happened yeah and I would have to know. It's not going be as Sui drama one like I think that they said that it's Kinda like the Bachelorette but Donna's like I'm not going to do that but does it. My soul doesn't feel called to that but another one indeed. We'll see what happens in the future so I want to share that. I have this feeling that both my partner and I are working on. Unconditional love for ourselves before we meet so I can see certain things where I have to remind myself. That might love for myself. Goes WITHOUT ANY CONDITIONS? It doesn't matter where I'm at who I'm with what I'm doing what I look like. I deserve to love myself unconditionally. As we all do and that might manifest in a variety of ways whether that be emotionally physically spiritually and for me it's all the above as I was talking about earlier anxiety. Just witnessing anxiety. Arise and I'm recognizing that my anxiety is only because resistant to something that might inner being is not even desiring. I'm resistant to what is wishing for something else. That perhaps my inner being is not even desiring it all as my inner being just happy and loving what is but the contrast is so beautiful because from that contrast was able to write more poetry create explore and free it. Right many of US spiritualists. We do happen to gain and lose weight quite often and then the lesson that is to see the beauty no matter what size and to find that unconditional love. Who Cares who. No-one no-one cares. This is the unconditional love lesson that I so desire for my soul's expansion to know the I am a powerful being from source and that's all that matters and so all these rants just now. I am trusted the guides to allow me to share. Whatever message that you may need to hear and for you might be something else that is manifesting in physical form or emotional form for you to learn the lesson of unconditional love or be happy without meeting conditions to be a certain way. Maybe it could be finances. Maybe it could be heartbreak. The one thing that I definitely want to extend my heart out to you is if you or someone you love is experiencing health issues at this time or has kernel virus. I mean I love you. You're so strong so strong and I don't know the higher reason for this and let you know that it's okay to grieve at this time and we're just here for you. If you ever need to reach out to the Yo meads me. We're here for you. So that's that's all you need to know is that there's nothing but love nothing but love and this is all love all of off. The the only thing on this earth is a lot like the only thing that's true you know is love so love the family that is around you and if you're by yourself. I hope that you are also being in contact with those that you love and allowing their energy to surround you I fucking love you I love you I love you. You guys are family to me. I am so deeply connected to many of you whether that just be virtually or even been chillers presence and been able to connect like Yo you keep me moving and keep me going. You are the reason why I've been able to keep this. This is more than a podcast. But this like baby this entity alive. And I'M NOT GONNA say I've been able to keep alive. We've been able to keep it alive. Your magic would not even be a thing without you truly. I don't even know why I would be doing without all of your love and support so let's continue to stay connected. I'm excited for the SEDONA retreat. I WANNA have another Bali one or one across the country but just the unknown right now. I'm just going to wait to see what happens with the universe spit. I know that I can always drive down to Sedona so so for sure. March the first week or the second week of March next year. There's GonNa be another euro magic retreat in Sedona because that was so magical and I'm hoping at the same place anyway. I love you and I hope that you take this time to create and meditate. Allow those mind. Those monkey thoughts just float away a bit just so you can simply meditate not even asking to receive a message but just trusting. One will come whether it comes this meditation or another in fact when you do try to reach for it almost kind of I'm not gonNA say backfires but doesn't really work. There's almost resistance. There's that thirsty you know when you're thirsty for something. The the universe can maybe sense that desperation. I don't know why exactly it doesn't seem to work out but I noticed when I'm thirsty for it or I'm really you know. Tell me dummy doesn't really happen. It's more so living knowledge in your intention that you are open to receiving messages but then just letting that go and it comes comes. If it doesn't it doesn't that's fine right and then so non attachment and then from receiving it would be amazing for you to take out your sketchbook your canvas your journal your computer and type of poem write a poem. Draw picture drug goddess. Draw your goddess draw message that is delivered to you. Draw what you see out your window. I don't know anything and I would love to share your art on the site this week anyway. 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It's a great question I had first of all. I had no idea that this project would get this big or that. It would get the attention that it's that it's had I didn't set out for that. I really was just trying to make something cool for myself. I'm following the call following the call and trying to keep up with my ultra creative husband something so And so I when I did that. I while Miami that I told you the story about. I just made my instagram handle. I just decided to call it. Ten Thousand Buddhas and again. It was Nicholas idea that I signed the I probably would have left Miami and not sign that mural at all 'cause I just wasn't thinking about that stuff and he's like no. You should put your handle on there. Put IT ON I. I got the wrong number of Zeros and had to wipe it out and do it again. Hundred thousand I mean it will be. Yeah it probably will be so. I put that on there and the beauty of Instagram is that it was a public wall and people made this project happen in people posted. They shared it. They tagged me. They're the ones who spread it and and made it made it a thing and then because of that I I kept getting invitations to paint other walls and then more people would take pictures of renovating Sheridan tags so it was a very organic process. I think the only advices like do your work and put it out there in some way like have a show. Share it with your family. Do an open studios do something posted on Instagram? Even if you never leave your house like you could do a drawing a day or whatever your project is. It was super helpful for me to share with this audience Before I did public walls before instagram. I'm with pain and maybe have a show once every two years and the show would be up for a month. Maybe a few hundred people so it really is. It's an amazing new world that we live in that that we can get our art out there and I think it's much easier than it used to be thousands and tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands to see it. Perhaps the new signature is GonNa be an instagram handle. Or maybe maybe do your signature and then underneath that always at your instagram handle it new seeking. That's not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea. I mean I don't sign my name on May On my murals only signed the instagram handle. And that's partly a conscious decision. I when I saw the caves at the painting in the caves that those caves weren't signed by anybody you know they were probably a collective group of artists who worked on those paintings and over many generations and I having been inspired by that I didn't. It wasn't important to me that my name was on it in fact I was like kind of cringed the idea of signing it but I felt okay pudding at ten thousand Buddhas because it was almost just informational hike. It wasn't wasn't so much about me and it helped helped me. I really admire that. I really do and that just makes it more of what you practice with the Buddha philosophy so I love that and another art of yours. You've been a Yogi. Need for will almost three decades now. Ray Yeah Twenty five years. Wow so when you were introduced to this twenty five years ago. She didn't know it would be where it is today. And what are your thoughts of how it has evolved from back then to the way it has hit this. Western world and become more widely known. Well I noticed a lot of a lot of changes. When I started practicing there was may be only three four yoga studios in San Francisco. And now there's Miami hundreds fuelling Ed. They're on every block so there's been a huge growth in So many people practicing which is amazing. A seen a shift in when I started there. Were also just a handful of these master Guru teachers And that there was a lot of wonderful richness in that heritage in those traditions What I'm seeing now more is. It is not so much about the singular master teacher but more of this collective which also goes back to this this image of all the Buddhist need together. I feel like Yogis. Today are much more influenced by each other. They're sharing different methods. It's not like one true path of this you know it's all mixed in blended together Because there's so much Sharing going on and so much pollination of different styles and different information which is which is great. It's creative evolution. So I I've always had a deep respect for the tradition in the lineage and I also respect appreciate the creativity that that western Yogis have brought to the practice so I think there's a balance I think when you get shoes a little bit too creative and you've lost the roots than we've lost some of the the power of the practice and I think being to buy the book you know dogmatic That you know with the old way or the right way that you you know. That's not so great either so I think there's a happy middle place that we can find balancing those two aspects. That's amazing to hear from you especially since you studied with someone who basically created the traditional way of Ashtanga Yoga. I asked NCO Gillis question too because it's so amazing to me to know that you studied with Sri k Joyce right at the time. I don't think we realized how lucky we were. I don't think we were thinking of it. It was just. He was our teachers teacher. And that's why we went steady with him and I'm so grateful that we that we dead and had had that that experience there's definitely was a transmission with with those That generation of teachers. They just had so much yoga in their bodies and in their bones that just being around them with with was a real learning experience. Oh I am sure what was the greatest message or learning experience or lesson that you received from him steadfastness with practice. You know he just been practicing for sixty plus years when I met him in his eighties and his joy of teaching had not diminished. All he really loved to teach. I think I just remember also he? He really redefined what it was like to be in your mid eighties. You know he was when I met a museum is mid eighties. And he was like rocking his world tour with thousands of people coming to see him. And that's really cool. I feel like you know what a great example of. Not just you know getting older and giving up but he just pressed on until it's as long as its body would carry him to teach and that was that was really powerful to witness. I'm also curious. We have a process to help you have more deeply into your creativity. I'd say so definitely spending time in nature because you know it's just easy for me to be inspired because I love creating so much but timing nature absolutely grounds may puts things into perspective in helps me brainstorm But I have at least three projects happening all of the same time and before the late I have ideas for ten more so for me. It's more like selecting one thing to do with it rather than thinking of ideas I feel Ya. We're on the same book they're good. It's better to be open and be inspired all the time. Do you ever run into creative blocks where you just feel stuck and uninspired a have a couple of times in the past I feel like taking a mind completely off creating helps because sometimes you know we try so hard to overcome creative block that we focused so much on having a block which actually makes it was so sometimes it's good to let it go completely like take your mind off anything creative. Do something completely opposite end will come to you. I also have to ask. How did you find your unique artistic style? Style funnily enough I don't even know if I have a style yet because I've just gotten see yet because I love experimenting still and working with college that inspired by the universities and I love doing like cosmic alliteration working with Chris. Flowers and just combining nature with pain. I feel like I'm still on that journey to find my style. Other people sage. I dined yet not to show. I absolutely think that's adorable. Because you do have a very unique and very distinct style and the requirements you can sneak. He promised there's something that just really stands out in. Its own way he'll like I've seen others. That have probably been inspired by it but nothing like yours so thank you go. I love it I love it. So here's some silt Questions for this creative Chapter Rachel steadily asks what was the pivotal moment when you knew it was the right decision decision to leave the traditional university path in pursue your art which you kind of talked about that. Maybe you can elaborate on. And then also she wants to know what inspires your spiritual animal pieces A guy so to answer the first question the moment when I realized that need to pursue ought rather than keep going to university is when I realized that I was spending more time creating than studying in realized I was more excited about creating rather than going to university has a so wise allies. I ask for this animal. Pieces might very fest on was the elephant. It's a painting of a girl. Hugging elephant in elephant is like is cosmic In crescent above so actually just like had a vision of that image when. I was just about to go to bid you know when you're about to sleep and you just start having these little league dreams. I it's just imagine that and I was like Holy House like Oh my God. That would be amazing painting so I wrote it down in my fine arts and painting it the next day and you made it a reality on your thinking like something from imagination to reality. I think that's my favorite process. My favorite thing about creation. Because you take something from your mind and you put it on take on something physical and so other people can see your thoughts while seriously so you can see people's thoughts and actually what your vision when they're in spirit yes sir so and also hugging and Elephant Is. I mean. I've hugged an elephant. Once good recall of course vary but one of the I think it was the only ethic actually ethical Sanctuary in Thailand. I should probably put a link of what it was below. I just can't remember off the top of my head as England you have to write. I have to Thailand but I have never actually touched an elephant before that is going to happen. I mean you already drew it so the universe is working to make it happen on your Sophia ballot. Which I hope I pronounce her last name right asks. How can we overcome the fear of not creating something meaningful or art that aesthetically beautiful and let go of limiting self talk while in the process of creating? Yeah that's such a great question. So that's it's definitely important to separate. Won't you want people to see and what you want to create. Because of course is technically beautiful. You know there is so much that Sorry there is so much. Ought that is is technically beautiful but there is not as much that actually makes me feel in came from the hot and I feel why view of your artwork will always able to tell if you create that for its icicle beauty. Or if it's something that came from your heart so definitely focus on creating. What makes you personally feel because people will be able to tell and also you can't please. Everybody doesn't invoke emotion if everybody if they're not open to it you now but I think that's the best advice ever do not worry about invoking emotion in somebody but just to really create from the heart. That's the best advice. I tell people that there is no good and is no bad. Ought there's that makes me feel an ought that doesn't offer that you can connect with and that you don't and obviously every single will connect to different op peace and they will connect to a differently but paint and create would personally makes you feel in connect. I love that. Say the first two statements overtime. The first sentences is no such thing as good or bad ought there is odd that makes you feel in connect and off. That doesn't make you feel something to it if I use. Twitter tweet that a future instagram post. When I'm finally back on quote by any terrorism amazing and this one from Brooke Taylor is actually slightly similar. But it has a different angle about comfort zones in. I think a lot of people are curious about this as well. I mean I am too so Brooke Taylor asks. I'd love if you talk about stepping out of your comfort zone and allowing yourself to create without station. I'm an extreme perfectionist and would love to create that part of me love. You both do ya. That's very interesting. I feel like that is something that you should I figure out within? So maybe before creating do a little meditation and allow yourself to just relax and allow yourself to let Garvey expectations at least a little bit. And maybe have a look at what other people creating and just hallowed how many different ways installs there ought to express yourself in. There is just so much out there in the research inspiration and you don't have to stick to one thing and honestly what is perfect. There is no such thing as perfect as especially in ought. That's one thing and whenever someone says I want to feel perfect perfect. It's like what does that mean don't does by the way the crescent mood just made its appearance out my window and it is like smiling at me. It looks like the Cheshire Cat smiling at me. I just took a picture of it. I'll send it to later. Winded so magical and it's like because it's just starting to become night here and it's just so interesting that at this time the moon she decides to make her appearance. Of course that's fine it's divine timing indeed anyways 'em Rose Walsh. She Ryan my favorite. I ever with a lot of exclamation points and asks. How does she put herself into a creative head? Space and how does she not fear the judgment of being so open about her spirituality? New Interesting I feel like I'm not afraid of judgment just because I'm so comfortable in myself and I know what makes me feel good and I just like to share that with the world because I know some people will feel the same way about this Alligator of failed judgment while ago. Just because I just acepted who I am and what I love doing Amen to that. That's true and it's one of those things where people say. How do I like go of judgment? It so hard to really really explain in words and it happens when you get more in tune in you become more silent than you do something that sparks your yummy happy and you do. I think honestly for you you really. You're doing what really makes you happy. And so it doesn't matter Yup exactly because as we've said before you can't please everyone and if you lead a unions of every single person get to you You're you're probably won't just going to sit in a box and like no. Yeah this I mean this podcast was about to not be created because I remember Elliot. I were like do we really want to. You know his. We were nervous about it. Yeah you just really gotta follow those paintings because you're being inspired by them for whatever reason and then you doesn't matter doesn't matter even if let's say even you don't realize something if something fails because I've had a lot of stuff fail my life instill led to this. You know it's still leads to something else yet. Look at failure as a move because failing to me doesn't exist because old that is is lessons approaching for growth and wisdom. That is what you get from failures. So definitely every single time you fail. It's the best leading you to the path that you meant to be on. That's how I look at it. Oh and how you look at it is. I believe one hundred percent or so glad I love back. I'm going to get that tattooed failure. I'm really curious. Do you see your mind's eye or powdered these goddesses come about so sometimes it is through by meditations. I just kind of we'll see opposed or something like that. I think is cool Yes sometimes it is kind of like an instagram thing. Where you see so much of it I do. Think it's kind of just like absorbing all those images and then they kind of come to life but I do look at you know. Figures are hard to draw so it's taken a long time to get to this point but honestly I'm like this might rent but I look at ice stock here and we'll just look at pictures of women so it's like the fresh in my brain what they look like. You know what the female figure. Yeah it's almost just like I have to look at a bunch whether it's on pinterest. Instagram for an ice staff on Google images people in my life. Whatever there's nothing wrong with is I'm like you know what there's a lot on ice stock so it is just nice because sometimes it's hard. I've actually always ambition just like I need to do a photo shoot where I just take a ton of pictures of women and goddess poses. Because I would love to do that one day. But you know if you're looking for a certain mood draw or something like that you know you need a reference image or I still need a referencing which I'm trying to get to the point where I can just draw without full But yeah and then the rest of it really is something that comes through when you know meditation or sometimes just throughout the day when I go on. Go on a lot of walks as well. It's almost like another type of meditation. Being going on walks in just listening to music. And so sometimes I just they just come to me. It's like a visualization thing. And so and that's really what's happening around the girl whatever it is kind of like a warrior stance and of so like what's around her and you know. Sometimes they see mushrooms and like that would be cool or whatever so really just depends on the drying and the day. But that's kind of how they start to come to life that is so beautiful new also super lucky that when you walk around not only in nature because you are in Colorado but also the area you are the arts district. You're surrounded by evidence of energy is everywhere and the creativity is all busy so many different dynamics of creativity but you are surrounded in the center of it so you are infusing your soul with this energy in that it just fuels your jacket even more which is such a beautiful thing because environment is everything. It's huge it's it's I noticed but yeah it's really great to be in this space with all. These people are so many creative people around me so yeah it winner in the right. You're always like how my interest there's stuff around me but it definitely helps lead. The thing is I think are such a beautiful part of the creative process like recipes with working out. You almost kind of need it. For some reason. I think our mind or creativity just needs a little bit of that silent space Rewinding back to one thing you said you don't think that or you need some sort of What Reference Image Reference? Yes so for some reason when you said that I had one of those whispers that was like Oh if she only knew I genuinely think if you were to just challenge yourself when you have a little bit more time maybe thirty minutes next week or something to just you know create without any reference image. I know it would be way more profound in just actually easy and effortless than than you give yourself credit. Yes definitely you know. Have before and that's still wanted by. Actually the one adjust posted no reference for that and that was awesome. Because I was like okay. But it's I I try to be as real and transparent as possible and you know I went to school where I took illustration classes. It's I took figure drawing classes and I think it's fair and I want other especially like younger artists to know that you know if you're not making this stuff out of your mind right away that's okay like look at something and then adjust it like nothing. I ever make is is fully. What may reference looks like? It's more so so I can look at something in. See the body shape and draw from there. And that's how I've gotten to the point now where I can likely start to make stuff like I did. You know in my most resides like okay. Like let's take the training wheels even when I used reference. You're so beyond the training wills. Yeah yeah and it's but it's exciting to start to step into that space and it's scary because you're like okay. I don't it takes longer. It definitely takes longer. But it's funny that you said that because I really have been afraid to do it and but it's time it's time and again now. That meditating were to. I'm able to see these images a little bit clearer them before so I think that's helping as well ray and see these women a lot clearer and my mind and so that's my reference instead of the Internet but I do think it's important to take those take those baby steps learning how to figure draw taking a class online if you can't take one in school and just starting there and then using these references images and then getting to this kind of point where you don't need them anymore so because that's where them meditation drying as for me and it's funny because I look I'm so plants and stuff like that I don't need a reference image like dozer so meditative and so fun to draw but yeah people can be tough so it's been cool though to watch the journey of kind of even just before wasn't even driving women who was just driving plant so it's an evolution exact used to use reference images for the plants. I think so. Yeah I'm sure at some yes I would say yes. And you know you're rod vulnerability and honesty for this entire process and just what you're going through and being able to hear this hear your evolution for people to know where you're at as well. I mean. Do you know how not only motivational. But also just relatable that is for those that feel like they don't feel like they're creative self because they have to pass referee exactly. Yeah but I think it's honest and you know even I mean I went to school for this. I know plenty of other to school for this. Yes we're learning how to figure Dr. Look at an object and draw on our sheet of paper with an HP pencil but also at the same time there were all using some type of reference. No one's just drawing from scratch as a freshman and Co or maybe you are there. Are those people who are just so incredibly gifted and talented. But I like to be honest because I think it's something that's you know can scare people away to billeting. Did Not thank you. Yes that's word. I was looking for their so much fear around doing it. That the no one does it. And you know I've had that experience with music before where I'm like. Oh well I'm not good editor. Oh I don't know how to improvise or not jazz pianist so I can't do it and it's like whatever just you know if I WANNA look at sheet music from high school so I can play the piano. That's what I'm doing. You don't just do it how you need to do it with a little disclaimer of don't copy people's are or copy someone stuff or whatever and posted like if you're if you're practicing do what you need to do to practice and yep try to be open about that because I learned that in school and it's it's something that's helped my Miami and now a deer yummies thank you so much so so much for lending your ear. Taking tying valuable time for your soul to listen to this episode today I am honored to provide this for you. And I hope something in this book to you in shifted you in some way I would love to personally. 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Title: Target USA Ep. 236 Former DNI Jim Clapper says he's concerned Russia is hiding something

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Title: Target USA Ep. 236 Former DNI Jim Clapper says he's concerned Russia is hiding something

"Oh this is the WTO p. original podcast. From podcast one. Coming up in this episode of target USA. The very first guest on the very first episode of target. USA was then director of National Intelligence Jim Clapper and he said to US Russia was an existential threat for years. Later, they're still an existential threat and he says there are some new twist to the problem. What concerns me is that they will have gone to school sure on the revelations of what we learned in. About what their magnitude their activities in sixteen I fear that because of those revelations that Russians will have back engineered all those. Revelations and will try to thwart our detecting with their doing. So I'm sure they're up your up to their usual tricks because founded successful. I just think it's going to be harder to turn. His sobering assessment coming up on this episode of target USA. He nationals security podcast. From WTO. In Washington DC. This is target USA. Russia could render huge arm to this country North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States dangerous terrorist DC is repeatedly mentioned someplace they would like to seek an attack cyber criminals. America as a target on its back and on this program, we investigate the threats, the people behind them, the agencies, fighting them and the impact on you. This is target USA the national security. PODCAST. I'm Jay Jay Green Russia. Big Problem. The government of Russia that is the Russian people are fine people fantastic people. The country has a lot of wonderful history and cultural artifacts that we can all learn from and I wish we could all go there. But the problem we've had this nation, the US is with the Russian government, not the least of which was their attempts in two, thousand, sixteen to. Interfere in the twenty sixteen election. Now, the twenty twenty election is upon us and one of the key figures in the investigation into what Russia did in. Two Thousand Sixteen Jim. Clapper who was the director of national intelligence at the time he says, they're hiding something. So we sat down for a virtual talk on this episode of Target USA, and this is how it started off. You may remember back in. Twenty. Sixteen maybe it was late twenty fifteen and I had an interview that interview was the very. First interview that we did for the target USA podcast, which now has something like three million subscribers but that interview started the whole thing. and. In that interview, we talked about a a variety of things and what are the things that we talked about that day Was the fact that you said Russia is still an existential threat to the US. We were talking about Isis and other things, and you said Isis is not an existential threat to the US. But Russia is you were well ahead of a lot of people and you are still in your position at that time as director of national intelligence who seemed to. Recognize. That Russia was still just as dangerous as it was then fast forward to now we see that there is absolutely no doubt about the danger that Russia poses to I want to get you to let us let us into your thinking as we approach another election cycle and what Russia means to this whole process and the threat that it is. Well, a JJ thanks for having me and and. And harking back to that a interview I actually didn't. Recall the. Historical note there about the initiation of this podcast. And when I made that comment in a when we had our previous interview. I don't think at the time I fully appreciated. Full dimension. Of, Hope. What is noted or what a suggested by Russia being an existential threat to us but I had mind at the time course was Russia's considerable nuclear capability. and. They You know between the United States Russia over ninety percent of. The world's nuclear weapons. So. In that context Russia was then and remains a more one way to the United States in fact. Since then Oh Russia has embarked aggressive. Modernization. Of, their strategic nuclear arsenal. In Nicholas Cage in eighteen perhaps too. Made a speech I think it was march of eighteen in which he outlined. Politically five. Weapons. in when he does those things, you know there's only really one adversary in mind and that is, of course, the United States now what's changed? And what actually makes Russia even greater existential threat I would suggest. Is it's aggressive use of information operations. Most notably course in insurance. In our election at twenty sixteen. And this is A. This is a a weapon if you will Russia has used against us. And with great success and they will continue to do so. In Election. That's forthcoming in twenty twenty. As you look at, they're doing now did you have any idea? At that time because I do know that you and your colleagues were. Later in twenty sixteen, if not already and you may not even be able to engage on, this may be classified I don't know. But I. Guess a better question is, when did you learn of Russia's the danger that Russia was posing with this new or this different this other type of operation, the information operation that posed the the major threat to the US democracy and the election. A FAQ frequently asked questions. One was the exact instantly the precise moment when you realized the magnitude of what the Russians are doing. I. Guess. My answer to that is that that revelation didn't occur what? The Russians have a long history going back to the Soviet era if not before of interfering in lunches, there's and other people's motivity Europe. And there's an interfered in our. Tried to interfere in our election processes going back to two teasers and certainly the sixties records law. But never ever on a scale magnitude, the depth of aggressiveness that they didn't. Twenty sixteen and. Know as time went on and we understood more and more what they were doing. Whether, it was reconnoitering. Voter registration rolls in many states. Obviously the hacks. Of their aggressive campaign and very slick and sophisticated on RT, which is the Russia today network, which is a will provide it's funded by the Russian government and. Obviously, it's aditorial. Content is guided by Russian drop. The government. A lot more slick and sophisticated hated the Cold War so it was. It was putting all and then of course, we understood as time went on. What the Russians are doing? On in social media, which is the major difference is there are skillful sophisticated expectations social media. To so doubt discord discontent in this country and cat wise our toll polarization into this in this which. To fairly well, and will again I suspect they are doing it now and will into twenty twenty So as you look at what they're doing right now how does it compare to what they were doing then has it have you seen it evolve have you seen it become more sophisticated? Or? By leaps and bounds or is this more of a gradual thing? How much of a threat is at this time around considering that we know that they are doing this and I think Landrieu's For I don't have accesses. Now that obviously the head. But what concerns me is that. They will have they have gone to school. Sure. On the revelations what we learned in. About of the magnitude of their activities in Twenty Sixteen tells community. We. Did aren't tells community suspect. Of January of seventeen I think we kinda in many ways only scratched the surface kind of took the iceberg. And I've often referred people to volume one first part of the Muller investigation. Which documented in. Great. Jury specific detail. The nature of what the Russians did. and. I'm all for that That's great. A A. Support the transparency that represents an. Educating the American people about what the Russians did in threat that they pose. And it's another form of the existential threat. On but I fear that because of those revelations. That Russians will have back engineered all those. Revelations and will try to thwart. Our. Detecting they're doing. So I'm sure they're up your up to their usual tricks. Because they found it successful I just think it's going to be harder to detect. So, Sir when you say back engineered, could you for those of us that are not as technically inclined as you and some of the others in the Intel world and and certainly familiar with. This process? What do you mean when you say back engineered in this case? Well we'll negative unsure they went through the red wine WANNA. By I'm talking about their until its services specifically the G. R.? which is there won't Terry Toes. And I'm sure they went through the Muller Report Volume Autumn Power Style. Every single sentence, every single technical detail that could revealed in that. And they'll ask themselves. What what is it? That we did that allow them. To figure out what we were doing, how do they gain insight? And the inaugural blackened try to backtrack it. In and see how we determine. What they were doing and and if they can, they will figure out a way to mask or high or or obscure. What they're doing the best. So, looking at what they're doing right now and in based on what you just said about, but they most likely have done. and looking at what we've gotten in the last couple of weeks our warnings from the national counterintelligence, Insecurity Center and from an essay and from the British even have talked about what they have seen. Our attempts to a manipulate Americans and people around the world the in in in some cases thinking about this election. And the process here. So considering what they may have done back in sort of tried to perfect their craft and wha- and what they were trying to do, do you get the sense that they may or do you think they may have some new weapons that we haven't seen because I've heard people say exactly what you're saying is that there a nation of chess players and their intelligence community are part of that nation and they approach it the same way. So are we looking at the possibility of Russia having some new weapons that we don't know about? While by new weapons I think. It would be new techniques. New. Forms of tradecraft. But in an effort to a high. Of. August information. This is typically true on on social media a were they will do what they can to obscure the actual source. Sources, of. Their postseason social media the Russians. Reached connect more than one hundred, thirty, two, million Americans, some number like that. facebook. Along. And they had messages for everyone. Black lives matter. White supremacists. Pronounce Anton anti-nazi Muslim anti-muslim Crow Jewish Anti Jewish didn't matter because all they're bent on is exploiting the divisiveness and polarization in this country no continue to do that. But what they will do will do will do in that process we try to obscure the ultimate source. Of those postseason information. Okay Sir Alan off the record here for a moment I can hear some tapping in the background I have tried to check this I. think it might have been left. Mike. Pence. Okay It's no problem. It's it's we're all good I just wanted to see if we could track that down because it might do track people a little bit because you're you're saying some really specific and great information here that people need to know and they will cherish this information looking. Back at this So back to what you were saying about new trade new forms of tradecraft. And their. Ability to continue to do what they're doing. As. We approached this election and we're ninety days away from it again. Assess the threat from your perspective with your. With all of your fifty plus years of intelligence Assess. The threat that they pose to this election being essentially swayed right now. Well. First. Of all. I think we're going to be confronted was. Not only the Russians. But others having watched with the Russians did will I think also V in play? Refer specifically. Or given the state the relationship with China. That I think China will also be injecting itself in the election process. You know capitalizing learning from what the Russians did. And we may have Iranians, the north, Koreans? Who knows who will. So, we're going to be even more complex. And why it's so important. Look people. Of. Question. These skeptical about anything. They see reader on on the Internet at particular with respect to social media. People. Need to figure out ways to corroborate validate. Things as they. Learn. Or warning on the Internet because that that is being used, the Internet's being weaponized by. The Russians will masters at it and now others are going to. Do. The same thing. Then we have overlaid. You know just all. This concern. Is a pandemic. And what the Russians will do to so disinformation they're. Also, we have this added complexity. Of tragedy of the pandemic and what wishy washy you will explore. Director? Clapper. That is an absolutely. Sanguine great point signal point because there are so many others out there who've used the Russian or most likely will used the Russian blueprint to complicate things when it comes to disinformation this election cycle and they will use everything they can including corona virus, etc, and you know kind of want to ask you do you get the sense based on what we've seen from this administration? That this is under control. This concern? Well Lo I don't. Think a lot has been done ceremony at the federal level wide. Several. Components notably the FBI. NSA Barbara, homeland security and others I. Don't get sense of. Overall. Orange. Leadership this. and An concerns me I think. You know I think too often we think about. Elections Security from the standpoint of cybersecurity. Then I'll securing will registration rolls securing the? Means by which the apparatus, which Aisles Council votes reports. which is extremely important. But there's another form of security that I I kind of think it's Neglected and that's what I'll call intellectual cognitive security. That's what I was referring to by people. Questioning. I wish they would be questioning of everything is the read here? One may have. On the people who run in. conspiracies. and. Russian certainly sophisticated. As they are and understanding landscape be stays will take advantage of that. So I don't. You know what? I would like to see would be. The. LA- bully pulpit only the President United States occupies. To Enjoin People urged. People. To the questioning of what they see read here on the Internet and particularly with respect to social media, but he doesn't do that. On and I think that's grow L. Rand Corporation is ripped book. Was To book which is very. cleverly and aptly entitled Truth Decay. which is the Demise respect for off facts, data and objective. Nelson and there's you know several manifestations along. And that's what we have a in this country today is a bad case, the truth decay, and this is not because of Trenton trump Lewis's is a trend has been going on culture about twenty years. Old. So. I. I know lots of done I'm sure it has. A what. I worry about that other dimension which I'd call cocktail cognitive will eat secure You know it's very interesting. You mentioned that book the Truth Decay by the Rand Corporation because that. Was the source of the comment that I mentioned to you earlier regarding Russia being a nation of chess players, Christopher Paul, one of the people who participated in the author ship of that Book and we interviewed him for, our series in twenty sixteen called Twenty seventeen, an the anatomy of a Russian attack you were in that series as well. Made. I remember, but I'll send it to you and you can re familiarize yourself with. But we used your comments from you're hearing where you laid laid out the assessment of what Russia was up to and what the intelligence community found but it was said in that piece that this was the era that Russia had hoped to introduce again and rained out on us the inability. To tell what's true and from what's faults and just make it very complicated for us as a nation to figure out which way is up similar to what Russia has been exposed to in the Soviet Union to a larger degree for many years before all of this now but I want to ask you this question that relates to of that, and this is this piece about hybrid warfare. This is the thing that Russia's Gennady Garage Alva believe was his name or something like that. Some years ago, which employs a whole host of different types of. different types of tactics that are designed you know to be used as warfare against an adversary and one of them of course, is the kinetic military type approach but then there's the information you know, and then of course, disinformation, etc. Information operations a CETERA. So as we look at what we're facing right now is the US. Figure this out yet have we embraced. Hybrid warfare and where do you think we are in terms of dealing with hybrid warfare? Well I think. Quite. Sure people in the. National Security Apparatus notably. The beauty and particularly the fence on understands A. Worker is all about fell in. A. Contemplated in also I think about. Tactic sickness procedures etcetera. For. Bad. Mature widely understood though are. Public concerned. About. US. Security you know in in the face of all, our our current. drowsy tribulations with pandemic and. Or economic crisis in story from this country, I don't think. Hybrid warfare is something that is. Very much on the minds of the general public. Should it be? Should be. Took with respect to how. adversaries, not Russia. Could exploit these very crises that we're facing right today so. It would be it would be better for white or understanding, but I just don't take the case. People. More concerned about things that affect their day-to-day day lies, which is pandemic. There was awesome. So. Economic Downturn now on top of that so. The racial strife we haven't country. To sort of wrap this up. Just look at where we are now from an intelligence point of view knowing what the threat is from Russia from other nations and knowing how you feel about us, approaching and dealing with that threat. Or not A lot of people are looking at in the La- looking at this election coming up and. Wondering. Is this election going to happen and is it? Is, is there going to be some type of interference that actually changes the way the outcome of the election and I'm wondering what your thoughts would be or advice if you were Aston I'm hopeful that people are are asking you what you think because you know a lot e- what your advice would be for the US intelligence community and certainly dhs in all of those involved in this process right now. Well. I. Don't I don't think they need many me you told street is is going to be vigilant as as has this. An awfully will be. Free to report it, certainly to alcee making. Community to include all cylinder one. and. Hopefully a publicly. Oath Detecting activity by. Four lawyers for nation states. Trying to influence the outcome that lesson that's something has to be known. Public. And trying to we didn't do as well as we should have in that respect. In Twenty, eight in. The election twenty sixteen. So that's. That's one piece of advice. Jen's. Tunas an unnecessary as. If as these threats are detected their. Nate GNOME. To the American dinner. Whenever not asked you about today that you think is important that we should discuss. Well I. You election election I do worry about on. Its conduct it security. In the outcome. and. The the extent to which the outcome is accepted. If. A president trump was win. He's you know. Indicated ambivalence about that. Which is a dangerous and? Kind of win groundwork. As he didn't twenty sixteen for. No accusations about the looks and being rude if he does win. Sixteen to. And that's that really concerns me. We could have people in the streets. Depending on the. Different reasons than we've had a way. So that's somebody. I do worry about. Yeah I've heard that conversation as well from some other people Is there. Is there a way to deal with that from your perspective right now? Is there a way to stop that well if? projecting the outcome here but. If selection's not close one way or the other if it's A landslide at say In favor of. Resolved to done chronic nominee Vice Biden. While that would. That would certainly mitigate but if it's close than then we can have I think very tense situation. And I suppose as well as the president himself were to win by a landslide than that would neutralise any. Concern about that coming up as well. Well Yeah I mean if you know past past the ager as. Odor. Yeah. Well Director Clapper it's always a pleasure to talk to you because you are one of the smartest guys I know and You are very good at communicating that smarts in a very humble and just very palatable way and I've always enjoyed talking to you about what you know and I hope that I Can continue to to. Your gracious and generous. So I appreciate. All right sir. Well, that's it. Thank you very much. Okay Scripts awkward it. Former director of National Intelligence Jim Clapper have to say I love talking to that guy he knows so much about so many things. And he's got great perspective on all of those things. You know he doesn't just say i. know these things because I experienced them because I've been around in the intelligence world for more than fifty years but he says, this is how it's relevant now. So I enjoyed talking to him coming up in our next episode, another guy that I enjoy talking to as well Mark Paulie. Monopolies recently retired member of the CIA senior intelligence service decorated intelligent skilled and he's going. To Talk to us about, and he's going to advance the storyline on what Russia is doing to interfere with the US and president trump. There is some kind of fascination he had. Now a lot of people wonder if there's much more that or not. We're GONNA know when once we kind of get a look into the esque are or the SP file, you know what the, what do they have on president trump what is their view of him in ultimately we would. Get that from you know a penetration of Russian intelligence or perhaps a defector years later but Murrah Palace knows quite a bit about what Russia's about already and he's going to share it coming up in our next episode in the meantime if you have any questions about our program or comments, send me an email and Jay Green at W. T. O. P. Dot com that's the letter j the Color Green that's one word at Whiskey Tango Oscar Papa Dot Com J. Green. At W. T. 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 Target USA Ep. 221 | COVID-19 Questions Linger

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Target USA Ep. 221 | COVID-19 Questions Linger

"From podcast one coming up in this episode of target USA. Where did Cova nineteen come from right now? We still don't know if it was a leak from laboratory or it was from spillover from an animal and a wet market. Wait wait so did you register. You say we still don't know if this was bioengineered we still don't know we talk with former CIA. Covert operative report bear. But that's just the intelligence side of this equation. What about the scientific side? It is not something that had been tampered with her in any way. Mutated I guess we dig further into the questions. Where did it come from? What's the status of it now in the US and once the danger of reopening too soon coming up on this edition of Target USA he national security podcast from WTO in Washington? Dc THIS IS TARGET USA. Russia could render huge arm to this country North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States dangerous terrorist. Dc is repeatedly mentioned someplace they would like to seek an attack criminal. America has a target on. Its back and on this program. We investigate the threats. The people behind them the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target. Usa The national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay. Green the exact origin of the Kobe. Nineteen Corona virus might be debated for years with no definite conclusion. There are allegations from the Chinese government. That it was bio engineered by the US military. There are other conspiracy theorists that say China created itself. Then there's the most sound of all explanations so far that it developed naturally on this episode. We'll cover all of those perspectives first. We start with a newspaper article that came from the Wall Street Journal today. April Twenty Second Twenty twenty written by James Already. It's called China. Bat EXPERT SAYS HER Wuhan Lab wasn't source of New Corona virus internationally respected garage EST who sequences bat viruses finds herself in spotlight over Kobe. Nineteen she's called Bat woman by the Chinese media fifty five year. Old Doctor Gangly. She is the principal investigator at the Wuhan Institute of Technology and she and her colleagues have a large library of Corona viruses and other pathogens collected over the years from bat colonies around China in fact according to the Journal. They have a specimen in their lab. That's a ninety six percent match for the covert nineteen virus ravaging the world. Now it was taken in two thousand thirteen. What's interesting is that Chinese. Scientists pointed out a couple of months ago that this lab was very close to the wet market where most people think. This virus originated according to the paper. Since Dr she's lab was thrust into the spotlight they withdraw their research. And that's in part what's led to so much suspicion about where this came from Dr. She said in the paper she would quote guarantee on my life that this virus did not come from one of their labs intelligence collection is usually how the US figures things like this out but considering the viruses locked down the world in various stages intelligence gathering is very difficult. I spoke with former CIA. Covert operative Robert Bayer about the uncertainty of all of this and the difficulty in getting rid of that uncertainty what what are the intelligence agencies and services around the world doing in the wake of this. Well I mean the problem is. They're pretty much blinded whether you're in Peking or or you're in Beijing or Paris or you can't go out and make a meeting her main your France you need a letter to go out so spies working out of the embassy in Paris can't go out We don't know what the French are doing It it confined you telephones saint especially in China and you can't you can't operate in a place like China on telephones and don't forget that China is is key to this corona virus to I mean what the real figures are You you need that data I don't we can't trust the Chinese you know it in. That's not to not to single out the Chinese because a lot of governments are not coming up with the real data or real projections. But it's it's it's blinded us in a lot of ways it's it's it's basically left intelligence collection to the National Security Agency in intercepting. What's APP or whatever to find out what's going on so what kind of risk is the. Us facing Because it's blinded by this. How much are hostile intelligence agencies taking advantage of this? Well there's two. There's two answers to questions in one is it's killing us not knowing what's happening in China. It's killing us not knowing what's happening in. North Korea with corona virus or Russia Just how bad are things there? I mean how bad politically are things in Russia. Right now is an undermining The Russian government and undermining Putin. We simply don't know You know I I. It's it's a terrible time to be losing intelligence. You know I mean if I were in Beijing right now I would have people up in Wuhan hitting every hospital. hitting Data centers where you can. You can figure out how bad it is. I mean right now. We still don't know if it was a leak from a laboratory or it was from a spillover from an animal in a wet market. Wait wait wait. So did you register. You say we still don't know if this was bio engineer. We still don't know we. There is simply because we don't have access to the data that the Chinese don't like us they don't trust us. They figure anything they give us would be used politically misused They have doubts about our role in this and as relations declined between US and China will be less willing to give us give us hard information it just the way it goes always ask so the only way you can get that information as go steal it. What elementary. What factors are you taking into consideration Saying that perhaps you know this could have been bio engineered or their facilities. Nearby are the operators nearby. There there's a facility and will haunt there's a level for lab there they were. I mean the Chinese between this for a long time since SARS Doing research on viruses. They're probably better than most And there's certainly speculation looked. Speculation is occurring in among conspiracy theorist. But it's also it's also very real in the real questions. We don't know we what we don't know is for instance what mutations are occurring or what did occur or with this bio-engineered we just don't know. I mean I think one day it just takes three years to get to the bottom of something like this as it did for SARS Moore's which should the US be doing what the US be doing the US intelligence community. Well it's what they should be doing is for me being an ex. Cia Guy is recruiting. Spies places like Moscow and Beijing. But but clearly you can't do that. It's all done face to face and you need to get out We should also be supporting any sort of You know missions to places like China figure out. What's you know what's going on there because the fact that we've missed it in December was a gigantic intelligence failure somebody should've been jumping up and down in the Oval? Office saying this is going to come here. We can't keep it out. I mean that is is very clear at this point that that message was either rejected by the White House or was not delivered those year. Two choices now. Every day we hear something a little bit different on this. The White House says that You know it took action in February but We're we're the warnings in November. We were told that they were warned. The National Center for medical intelligence was supposedly Supposedly delivered a briefing. Did they do it or not? The trade represents the trade executive Peter Navarro said you know You know he's supposedly wrote several memos of cataclysmic Outcomes if the White House didn't do anything but none of that seems to. Nobody seems to be able to verify any of that. So do you ejei. You've got a cult in the White House in with calls. It's hard to break through. They want to hear what they wanNA hear. They're getting whatever. Intelligence they think is necessary on Fox News or other right wing outlets press outlets and you know that the you know some some scientists some of the CIA dermatologist. Can't get to the White House. You can't breakthrough they're not gonNA listen. Plus the White House doesn't really appreciate fat it it. It undermines their ideological message. And this is what you get You know so. It's like it's like it's like the commander of the the Teddy Roosevelt the carrier. He desperately tried to get people to pay attention that there was an outbreak of corona virus on his boat. No one would listen so he writes a letter maybe writes. He writes an email that goes around and gets leaked. Se thought it would but he was desperate when you're out in a situation like that I've been in them in people aren't listening. You start screaming louder. And that's what he did. And for his efforts he got fired in his career destroyed. Now you're sitting out the CIA. And the the president of the United States is not listening. To your warnings. Your choice is you'll probably still be ignored and get fired. And that's the message going through the intelligence community. Did if you tell an unpleasant truth in the white that's it for your career. That is chilling to say the least now. Jj We've seen the evidence of it. It's not just my conspiracy theory. We just you see it every single day. What about the career? People that are in the White House from the intelligence agencies. Where where they now that they can't do anything it I mean there. They just they can only do stuff at the margins. This is the problem. It doesn't pay to to stand up to the president you. Fbi Director said look. You cannot interfere in the Department of Justice investigation into Russian meddling. That's not the way or just in. He got fired and he's been lambasted by the president. And now the attorney general and you can trust me that that message is going through the government. It's a question that didn't even do any good for for Komeda come out say. Don't interfere with my investigation and now you have. The attorney. General sang was a complete travesty. As if as if the Russians didn't hadn't gotten into DNC emails complete twisting a fact for this for this administration. Facts are immoral. What is it that the Russians and the Chinese are thinking right now the US is in dire straits it needs medical equipment it needs drugs Chinese Control of those doesn't make it guaranteed that the US will get it? Get what they need. The Russians are according to sources. I've spoken to her just sitting back continuing to smile because the US is is contorted into. I don't know what now trying to figure out. Its way forward. Well if the Chinese and the Russians have a brain they know that taking down the United States economically or or causing disruptions in supply chains would also hurt them in a major way if Russia has no placed sell its oil it goes under two so I don't know what Putin's thinking but they certainly have no confidence in our ability to react rationally to this crisis. I mean right now. Jj We've got supply lines going down internally inside this country and it will continue to and we are heading for a depression which will take the rest of the world into a depression. So you know blaming the Russians and the Chinese somehow they engineered. This is is sort of a hard right conspiracy theory which just doesn't hold up to fact You know but but this is the craziness anytime. A society goes under Whether economically or socially like Germany the Weimar Republic. You'll see the crazy the crazies. Come out they're hard at work. Any final thoughts then on this There's so many things we could talk about. What I I won't Belabor the fringe points at this point What it will ask though is How long are we going to be in for this people? People want to know when things are going to go back to normal but to me. It seems that that will not cannot and must not happen until there's a vaccine for whatever this is going on you need you need to vaccine and and right now. The federal government is doing nothing to further that I it with any sort of speed. I mean this this is truly is a world war but unlike World War Two. We are not mobilizing resources. And you've got a president who thinks he's the king and that is not can help with states you this you will go to the grave still feeling the effects of this crisis trust me. That's former. Cia covert operative Robert Bayer and just to be clear and transparent. We've asked the White House and the National Security Council on numerous occasions for statements and interviews regarding this and other matters they've either declined or standard message off the record which we can't repeat here basically giving us very little is anything that we can use to present their side but now back to the other side of the story. And that's the scientific side. Dr Jennifer new is a senior scholar at Johns Hopkins Center for Health and Security and associated with the Department of Epidemiology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. We asked her what she's seen and heard when it comes to the true origin of the cove in nineteen virus so Just to say that I am speaking based on my what I have heard from others who are far more expert than I in this and You know what the Really Smart Corologis that I know. Say is that they have looked at the sequence of this virus than they have kind of mapped it out in the lineage of of other known corona viruses and that they very much believe that this originated in bats. And how it may have evolved over. Time is not unusual for a virus suggesting that it is not something that had been tampered with in any way Mutated I guess deliberately what what do you think about the the case situation that we have in the US right now and the looking forward on this You know everybody's been talking about flattening the curve and you know things that have been put in place to mitigate the spread of this Is it working effectively Is there are there things that could be done differently or better? Yeah you know. I think that if you look at the total occurrence of new cases in the United States There's evidence that they number of new cases occurring each day is slowing which is great news overall Bat said About half of the. Us cases have been reported by three States New York New Jersey Massachusetts. So the fact that those three states I think having some success in Slowing the spread of the disease Impart because they have enacted these restrictions these kind of population based restrictions that we call social distancing so the national numbers benefit from their success. it's not necessarily the case all across the country and there are many communities in the United States in which The numbers are not headed in the right direction that the numbers are continuing to climb These are places that tend to be smaller and so the total numbers may not make the national news but They are very much worrisome. Because oftentimes in these communities the healthcare resources are less plentiful and so even a small number of critically. Ill patients could overwhelm a local health system. So I'm very worried about those communities in particular because you know Though like I said the numbers may be small. We could have really severe outcomes there. Lots of Hospitalizations critical illness and death. Unless something is done to try to slow the growth of those cases the number of new cases that are occurring. There's reading the axios piece Why are we opening any state now as gamble and they quote you in there saying I have not seen any place? A master plans or resources to do that. Why do you believe that? Or what makes you lead you to that conclusion? Well one thing that we have to remember. Is that these broad based measures that are enact the population level these social distancing measures. These are not a cure for this disease. They don't stop the spread of the virus. There just a pause button. They're putting us in our houses so that we're less likely to infect others but the virus is still out there and so as long as we think about going back to life outside of our houses. There's is always. There's a strong possibility that the virus will start to circulate again. And unless we have measures in place to deal with the rise in cases that will when we release these Social distancing measures than we could easily find ourselves right back where we started where suddenly the case numbers have grown so quickly and are growing so quickly that we are fearful that the health system is on the brink of collapse Where we don't have enough resources to deal with individual cases and so we have to take this very blunt and frankly very disruptive measure in order to try to Quickly get a handle on things but if we don't if we want to avoid that if we want to make sure that if we leave our homes now we don't have to go back in a major way than we need to make sure we have in place measures to deal with individual cases as they occur so we need to be able to find those cases and that's going to require doing more testing than we're doing now we're going to need to be able to figure out who those cases may have Exposed while they've been contagious. Find those people let them know. They've likely been exposed. Monitor them test them and If they become ill anyone who becomes infected needs to be isolated so that they don't transmit infection to others that is sounds simple and it's traditional public health but it's incredibly resource intensive and so we. We need to make sure that we have enough resources to be able to do that. You know and speaking of that. You know one of the things that people have been talking about in in recent days has been people who may have some type of immunity to it or have antibodies or whatever. It may be something that you just have for a while and it goes way and should we look at this the same way not from a danger point of view You know with the risk from this particular Illness the same as we look at the flu. But should we look at it from a perspective that whatever you have if you are if you do have antibodies or if you are you know okay right now you still if we get a vaccine or whatever. You still will probably have to do that each year. Is that right or is that close to it So this is a bit different than the flow The flu changes each year. Men and So far we don't have a lot of evidence of this virus changing I think compared to influenza viruses krono viruses tend to be a little bit more stable. So it's possible we wouldn't have to change each year but it depends on how they developed the vaccine So that's potentially good news on the Vaccine Trent The bad news right now is is really more of the absence of data. Which is that. We don't fully understand immunity with respect to this virus so we don't fully know that if you had you got sick now You know for how long protected and would You know one of the reasons why people have been stressing the importance of doing these clinical trials as we wanna make sure that Giving someone who may have been infected in the past the vaccine that it doesn't make it worse for them. There's some viruses where Repeated exposure actually turns your immune system on in in a way that's Bad so we need to make sure that that's not the case with this virus and so that's one of the reasons why The studies are ongoing. And we're not just trying to jump ahead and vaccinate everybody right now so. Have you ever seen anything like this in your lifetime? Now I mean so. This is not the first pandemic guy flips through You know we had a pandemic in two thousand nine If you remember there was the h one n one influenza pandemic that was probably our our most recent pandemic Cheer earlier question about where. This originated from We I discovered the H. One in one hand MC that occurred in two thousand nine in the United States and We never quite figured out exactly the origins of that. I'm not implying anything just to say that. It's not uncommon for there to be a debate. About how things originated but the end doesn't really matter because Viruses still with us today. It's part of the seasonal flu. Mix that we deal with every every year There were many years of preparation for an influenza pandemic prior to two thousand nine that frankly I think Help us when that virus emerged So there was a stockpile of masks and gloves and all sorts of other personal protective equipment. there were stockpiles of antiviral medications. That could be used against influenza Lots of planning at the state and local level for trying to slow the spread of the virus and we were able to quickly sand up surveillance and do testing And we were benefited by the fact that the virus turned out to be not that severe Compared to what it could have been so We sort of got lucky with that respect and also Some of the the success in the response to that was due to a lot of hard work in investment in random preparedness So living through that experience is possibly I think an interesting comparison to what we're dealing with now Which is frankly not unlike not like anything I have seen. I mean this virus as much more challenging to respond to them at virus was But our preparedness is also so much weaker than it was back then so it's it's really unreal and I think the level of disruption we're seeing exceeds even some of the kind of worst case most pessimistic planning scenarios I think most people had in mind. Just how much cost to your economy and How much cost people's lives not just from a disease standpoint but just the disruption and and other losses. I mean it's really extraordinary this moment in time. The closest thing that if that I've experienced in my life to this moment in time and just in terms of the kind of chaos and turmoil and stress is probably September eleventh. Just feels like that that moment where you think you're living through something historic looks as though we may be living through this historic moment for quite a while. Dr Jennifer News. Oh from Johns Hopkins University. She's an epidemiologist and a very respected person in that field target USA. We'll continue to cover the Colt. Nineteen outbreak the origin. The status and where we go after. This particular outbreak has calmed down. Coming up in future. Episodes will be back with another episode shortly in the if you have questions or comments about the program. Sent me an email at J. Green at W. T. O. P. 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Title: Target USA Ep. 248 |  C.I.A. officer targeted with sonic attack

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Title: Target USA Ep. 248 | C.I.A. officer targeted with sonic attack

"This WTO. Original podcast. From podcast one. Coming up in this episode of target USA. Was Two am December fifth 2017. Kind of START I had incredible vertigo nausea I couldn't even stand up mark. was undercover with the CIA in Moscow on business for a week he was down thinking it was food poisoning what it wasn't, and later in the week he was hit again kind of knocked me out for another twenty four hours and then I barely crawled on the airplane and made it home and there's one chief suspect strong circumstantial as the Russians were bindis lasers or microwaves are suspected as was the case in China and Cuba. Now they're legitimate concerns about whether it's happening right here in the US coming up on this edition of Target USA, he national security broadcast. From WTO. In Washington DC THIS IS TARGET USA. Russia could render huge arm to this country North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States. Dangerous terrorist DC is repeatedly mentioned place. They would like to see an attack. Cyber. Criminal. America as a target on its back, and on this program, we investigate the threats, the people behind them, the agencies, fighting them and the impact on you. This is USA. The national security podcast. Jj Green you might remember several years ago hearing about US diplomats in Cuba that suffered from sonic attacks. They had hearing loss suffered from migraines and a range of physical effects that lasted for some for years. Well, here's a story. You may not have heard unless you read about it in the New York Times or maybe G. Q. Recently, it's the story of a retired CIA clandestine service. Officer his name is Mark Paulie Maracas, and interestingly he was in Moscow around the same time that US diplomats in Cuba and later China were suffering from these attacks that no one could explain perhaps it was a microwave or laser and we also didn't know who did it. But now as a result of hearing his story, we have a good idea who might have been behind all of them. Mark Tell me about the day in Moscow several years ago when you got nauseous, you're in your hotel room tell me about what you experience the symptoms. Sure, will lose it was the late late evening actually early early in the morning probably one o'clock in the morning. In early December of two, thousand seventeen I woke kind of twist START I had incredible Vertigo Vertigo nausea I couldn't even stand up. Almost fell down on the floor and was pretty scary. You know I had spent many years in in war zones such as Iraq and Afghanistan but this is probably the most scared I've ever been because I really didn't know what was happening to me. Later. At a dinner. Something similar happen. Would you explain that to? Write simple later. Recovered a bit over several days several nights later, just as I sat down for dinner at A. Fancy. Restaurant Moscow I started experiencing the same kind of dizziness. Nausea. I'd kind of knocked me out for another twenty four hours and then I kind of barely kind of crawled on airplane and made it home. But it was it was it was certainly a repeat of what happened the previous week. And then later at home in the United States again something similar, right? So when I return home. In you know in the December and then January timeframe I wasn't feeling great but the symptoms really. Came on. Once again, a little bit different kind of splitting Migraines which to this day in three years later have not gone away twenty, four seven Migraine but run the march timeframe was the worst I I had a terrible migraines. I had lost my long distance vision tonight, which is ringing in the ears. was cleared something something was seriously wrong with me with me. healthwise I ended up missing almost four months of work of late over a over that over two thousand eighteen. Who Do you think did this? Well I think you know I. You know you're you're you're always kind of questioning what happened when it was food poisoning or not. But then ultimately go back can obviously I was not a friend of the Russians and dot and I think based on some some later investigative work by by my colleagues at the CIA after I retired. Now I think there's there's a it looks like there's a pretty strong circumstantial case to the Russians where our behind us, what we believe is microwave weapon attack. The situation in in the US do you believe that was the your symptoms were from what? Were residual to what had happened to you before? Do you believe it was another attack? I think it was a residual. There was something that happened. Clearly it events of December two, thousand, seventeen at that kind of stay with me. and. So I don't I don't believe there was another attack in the united. States against me I think it was just a know whatever had occurred. was was kind of manifest. Then really really a is starting in March. But again it's this is now almost three years above but daily headache. Chronic pain and something called led me to to retire when I turned fifty on July two, thousand, nine team. There was another situation that I read about in this New York Times article or another article where another person who was on a street in the US. One of your former colleagues I'm not sure if you knew her or not this person That they experienced this very same kind of thing. Are you familiar with that? Still, I am just generally familiar with that. You know I retired when the Kurds on familiar with that I think this was a someone who is Again from what I've seen in the press. was was on the national security staff, the staff at the White House. and. So apparently, this this did happen to are both overseas and in the United States which you know again, I don't have any direct knowledge of it, but if true is pretty concerning because that shows kind of the reach. Of the perpetrators not only when we're outside the country, but also in the United States as well. This is what I want to get at mark. This is the United States and I don't think your colleague would lie and I do know that there have been I've done a number of interviews and a good deal of research with other people who have suggested that this type of weapon could be a microwave type of weapon. What have you heard about what the possibilities are for this type of weapon? Well I think the you know what would we saw reports of the last twenty four hours is pretty compelling when you out at the national. Academy of Sciences nor one of most reputable organizations talking about the likelihood that this was a microwave weapon win you know the doctors at University of Pennsylvania and the National Institute of Health and Walter Reed all kind of collectively believed that an event occurred. This is not Individuals in these boards making things up. And then finally I think there's a historic reporting an evidence that the Russians actually do have this weapon. They're one of only probably a few countries that does possess the. So putting that together I think there's a there's a very strong case that it wasn't microwave weapon and all I would ask and that I've always asked the United States government is that that you know that not only get investigated but ultimately that. Those of us who have been affected received treatment and met by treatment that means that world class facilities one of the key parts that I like to talk about this This issue is that we need to treat what happened. To those of us whether it was in Havana in Moscow in China, we have to treat it like this was a combat injury. You know the the Department of Defense is very good. At. Treating its soldiers who who get blown up you know in terms of of dramatic brain injury Walter Reed is the is the world class. Facility We have to have the civilian agencies both in the State Department kind of take that same attitude and and get off. The treatment. I think a perfect way of looking at businesses. You know the in state right now are acting as the NFL did fifteen years ago when it comes to TV high and we need to move them forward into the into the two thousand twenty, one time period where words treated right away. Okay. Let's lead the press out of this and what's in open source and all that it's leave that out. Let's talk as much as you can about what you know what your colleagues have been able to share with you and the the Intel side of this And and I'm very curious about. The type of what you think the type of weapon is I mean. Do you know anything about the possibilities of the size, the use how it's deployed. I actually I do not, and in fact, the research that was done on this and kind of you know from what I've learned. Just. Informally for my colleagues this of course happened. All after I retired. So I'm really not. An authority on this at all no, I'm not looking for that. Because I've talked to several people who trace this activity back to the nineteen seventies right in Moscow. So you haven't heard any of that information I I certainly have with know the Russians had this weapon. You know certainly. There I'd I'd if you take a look back to some cases. Even into the mid nineteen nineties end. And words there's been officers who have served in Moscow. who believed they were hit by suggests such a weapon I. Think. There is you know that has been bad as. Well, but. Ultimately is certainly know intelligence reporting back suggests the Russians have this weapon. And I think I'll just leave it at that. All right. So then if we're doing a story on this, where do we go to find out what this weapon is because there are a number of people who profess some knowledge or have been victims of this are totally reluctant to say anything about the weapon and I'm just wondering. Is it that no one knows or is there a concern from your perspective about? What might happen if you talked about it. So I think the place to go on this is the United States military. I think that it's fair to say that we. Likely developed weapons just like this, we certainly have not employed them. But when it comes to kind of directed energy weapons, microwave weapons, they think the US military has as a strong kind of repository of knowledge. On this I'm fairly confident that the CIA has talked to the military as well in order to gain some insight on what what our adversaries might be might be using. I know. Well I. Don't know you that. Well, but I know you well enough to know you have no love lost for Ladimir Putin the Russian government, the Kremlin and some of the. Tactics they have employed over time to attack the US do you consider these situations attacks or do you consider? What do you consider these I mean how do you? How do you characterize what's happened to you and your other colleagues? I mean, there have been people in China and people in Cuba that gone through the same symptoms what do you? How do you characterize what's happened to these people? So. This is A. disables. That takes people out of commission. So you have officers officials in the United States government in multiple different agencies whether it's your state or commerce who have been hit up but ultimately, it's not something that kills. It's something that disables it takes people away from their jobs. And it's incredibly difficult to trace. So it isn't offensive weapon and I think the Russians have shown no compunction to use such. Devices over the years if you talk to Old Russia hands who started in Moscow in the seventies eighties nineties the Russians were using. Things just spite us than others terrible health effects. Against our officers out again, it's this. The microwave weapon is a weapon of a terrorist is designed to to stow fear. And ultimately disabled. In a long-term officials of US government. Mark, how're you doing now? You mentioned migraine headaches and that they continue in this migraines because I know that migraines are more than just a headache it's a range of symptoms that impact the entire body I know tonight is often goes with that. How are you doing and how you managing that? So. This learn how to manage what is just simply chronic pain twenty four seven that really is not gone away for three years now. I wake up with go sleep with Ed. It's probably about three or four level so. It causes a lot of fatigue so I can certainly have these conversations. I've been that can see friends I can see why go watch my son played I, baseball. But ultimately echoed not work any longer. So but it's it's it's chronic pain and so it's a it's demoralizing. Takes A. Toll Mentally. Anna just saying continuously in search via my doctors of something that would help. Whether it's a new kind of medications or physical therapy but but it's it's it's been a pretty brutal journey over the last three years on functional. You know. I'm not dead yet. But it certainly has affected my life and. Really, I'm still seeking for a Broadway not. You know twenty four hours a day. To hear you talk about being not dead yet because. But no no I'm serious about this because. In the short time that I've known you, you've been a tremendous resource for Truth and tremendous resource for what's decent and good and right, and it is just very hard to imagine. That, you're going through this and. From what I've Read There's some reluctance on the part of the US government in some cases to believe some of this stuff that some of the folks similar to you ve experienced have actually experienced and I'm wondering, do you believe you're getting the help you should and all of those that are afflicted with this are getting the help they need. No no I don't and I think. That's that's one of the reasons this has been very you know. Very difficult decision to speak out and have someone who lives with someone who live in the shadows for a long time and while I. Certainly comment on International Affairs quite regularly talking about my own personal medical situation that was very difficult but I chose to do this for two reasons. One is there seems to be reluctance. At CIA in particular amongst the leadership. But really amongst the leadership of our office of Medical Services on to acknowledge that something has happened to us and to get us the treatment that we need. It's almost as though they're in denial. I would even agree that there is a erase strong circumstantial case that the Russians are buying. This is not definitive, but that shouldn't matter ultimately are the leadership. Or medical leadership at CIA as well as our leadership, the organization should just kind of grant. US The ability to go get proper medical care and it's something that that is really troubled me. So this is the reason why I. decided to speak out and and and you know this is not just about me. It's about for all the co-ord-, it's well because in talking to members. Who have been afflicted with this from State Department from Parma Commerce they actually have been treated for worse. Narran. Far Worse medical conditions than maze. I feel a sense of responsibility. To try to help others as well. You know, Jj I was asked by the United States government by a lot a lot of tough stuff leg difficult things in hard places. But there was always a pack I had with my leadership that if something did go wrong, we can take care of me. It's pretty remarkable that made through Afghanistan and Iraq unscathed despite some some close calls but I end up getting stick on a trip to Moscow all places but I would have expected more from my leadership and leadership in our medical services to get to get us to get me the care. That was quite a that was quite simple. Just interest so needed. That's what I'm hoping to do in speaking out like this. Now there's nothing there's no financial remuneration that I'm interested in is just simply getting the proper medical care and I hope talking to you today and kind of some of the recent revelations in the press will look for the agency to ultimately just do the right thing. To two questions. One two-parter. Do you think that there is a link between the reluctance? Of the medical folks in the ICU. Specifically, to to allow you to provide the kind of medical care that you're seeking And concerns about what you said earlier about the US possibly having a similar weapon Do you think there's a concern about doing this that there might be some kind of the Guess Some kind of BLOWBACK for I. Don't because first of all, we would never employ such weapons. So so they know that in and again the it's it's still does make sense to me why? They would just not let us kind of quietly seek and get medical care that they would assist with. You know there's been there's been a lot of thought and and some comments that I've made as well that you know anything Russia related is very difficult for leadership to kind of comprehend one you're putting Russians in a bad light because. Because this administration certainly doesn't WanNa hear anything about Russia right now, if you remember the whole issue with the bounties and and the controversy around around that but but again, one of the things that that doesn't have to happen as the the the agency doesn't have to take a conclusive stand on. There's a circumstantial case and that is correct that was according to. you know my colleagues view us read the reason press reporting that that was actually briefed. The National City Council that there was a circumstance case whether you believe that or not shouldn't affect whether officers are getting medical care. It's it's quite simple You know I, it's not. You don't have to make that determination. What they should do is send us to get care simple as that and let the investigation. By the CIA and other on who's behind it let that play out I think the last thing I would ask you is puff. Are you willing to go to expose? What you can about this and given what you know about the leadership's reluctance for whatever reasons. Well. I mean, look at the. Talking public is pretty far I. mean you know so openly all all of us. To do just to get proper medical care for myself and others you know there's there's nothing more than I can really reveal because I actually was not even there during the investigation. So you know what has been covered in terms of Russian culpability or not. That's not even for me. To discuss I wasn't there and I'm not even a good source on that. What I'm a good source on his You know I got sick on a trip other to have gotten ill as well and become ill as well, and so I just WANNA press the eighth leadership I, just do the right thing and it really shouldn't be this hard so whether it takes. A talking to you like this or talking to Congress as well. ultimately, just to get us proper medical care You know there's there's certainly that's that's that's my only intention. I still have faith. It's an organization I really do love Jay Jay talk a lot about CIA the time we've known each other and it's it's a place I have deep institutional love for friendships. They are I still have. All My all of my colleagues inside. So I talked to on a regular basis and so know this is not designed to denigrate the organization. Is An indispensable. Part of our national security structure, they just have to do the right thing In this case, a cold pack that we had as officers of Diana and and get us the right medical care. That was the very compelling story of Mark Paulie Miraculous and mark will be back to you soon to find out where things stand. Thank you for doing this with us. Thanks. Appreciate it. Be sure to check out our twitter feed for more exclusive reporting on this specifically whether or not Russia is trying to use that same weapon inside the US. Coming up in our next episode, it's going to be the day after the day after the twenty twenty elections. So we'll see what we're talking about on that day there have been reports that there could be some significant delays in vote counting that there could be concerns about political violence. There are also concerns about whether or not. There was a clear winner and what the aftermath will be for the sitting president and the nation that's coming up on our next episode of Target USA in the meantime if you have questions or Comments or suggestions send me an email at J. Green at W. T. O. P. DOT com. That's the letter j the Color Green. One word at Whiskey Tango Oscar Papa Dot Com also follow our podcast on twitter. We're at t U. S. A podcast that's at tango uniform Sierra Alpha podcast. Also please subscribe to our podcast. We appreciate it and if you want more national security information, you can sign up for my newsletter. It's called inside the skiff and you can sign up at W. T. O. P., dot, com search national security. I'm Jay Jay Green and this his target USA the national security. 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Target USA --Ep. 215 | EXCLUSIVE: Family of American hostage Tomeo Vadell speaks out

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Target USA --Ep. 215 | EXCLUSIVE: Family of American hostage Tomeo Vadell speaks out

"From podcast one coming up in this episode of target. Usa Have you heard of the CITGO? Six they're five. Americans and one permanent resident being held against their will in Venezuela and it was the week of Thanksgiving in two thousand seventeen so November twenty first We got the news I'd domain was was taken along with These five other guys When they were down in Venezuela for work meeting and toss it was just a very strange of news to heroes completely unexpected dad and travel very often to Venezuela but since that moment He hasn't been home and I haven't seen him and we. We miss him very much. That's Christina von. Ill Daughter of Tomio deal. We'll hear his remarkable story of resilience and about their bravery and that of the others being held as we share the story of Americans caught in the politics of the Maduro regime and the politics of the US coming up on this edition of Target USA. He National Security podcast from WTO IN WASHINGTON DC. This is target USA. Russia could render huge arm to this country North Korea's secret missile capable of reaching the whole of the United States dangerous terrorist. Dc is repeatedly mentioned. Place they would like to see an attack cyber criminals corruption America as a target on. Its back and on this program. We investigate the threats. The people behind them the agencies fighting them and the impact on you. This is target. Usa The national security podcast. I'm Jay Jay Green every day we get up and go about our daily routines work school or whatever. Most of the time we go through the day just assuming we'll do what we always do and return home routinely. Most of US never give it a second thought that we might not come home and I know this is hard to talk about but we need to do that because this happens. Too often to people being kidnapped being held against their will to mail the deal and five other people all US citizens or permanent residents are being held in Venezuela by the government under very challenging circumstances. And on this episode of Target USA. We talk with VIDELA's family about the ordeal. This is Christina Vidal the daughter of Tomio weathered and this is an eastward Dale Tomato Vidale wife. Okay thank you very much for joining us and I am very very very sorry that you're in the situation and to me this kind of thing just doesn't make sense but I know there are a lot of bad people in the world who don't think logically they don't do things. According to the golden rule or any other rule except whatever is convenient for them. And I'm so sorry that your father and the others the other members of the CITCO six or in this situation so let me just get started if I might By asking you denise to tell us about your husband well my husband What can I say he's just a wonderful man. Wonderful husband. He's always been very ethical. He's He we just This past twenty second of February. We did thirty four years of married and It we have three children three wonderful children and he's really a very very nice person and anybody here in Lake Charles where we lived for the past Twenty plus years Can Attest to that if you ask anybody here in Lake Charles. If you know anybody that knows him not only here in Charles knows what a what a great person he is and Won An honest man. He is so Christina. Would you please set the scene for us? he's he's being held captive and I believe he's being held captive in Venezuela. Would you set the scene for how this took place? Sure so I guess we could start from when this happened. Which was it was the week of Thanksgiving in two thousand seventeen so on November twenty first We got the news that a domain was was taken along with these five other guys When they were down in Venezuela for work meeting and to us it was just a very strange of news to heroes completely unexpected Dad Did trouble very often to Venezuela but since that moment He hasn't been home and I haven't seen him And we miss him very much Since since that happened they spent the first seven hundred forty eight days in the basement of a counterintelligence military agency called the seam in Caracas Venezuela Then at that point they were granted this up quote Unquote House Arrest. Though my father does not have residents in Venezuela they were held in house arrest for about fifty eight days or so two months issue and then a pretty recently this month on February fifth He and the other men which were all in different places at that time were completely taken from the house arrest without a quarter court order and we don't know one hundred percent where they're being held we presume. It is in the Elevator. Which is one of the headquarters for. Sabine a an intelligence service or a police you could say minutes wailer But since said day which is now like about three weeks or so My father has and these men have been completely isolated. No phone calls no lawyer access. In fact the lawyers consider right now the situation to be a forced disappearance. And it's very serious. Were very concerned. I mean my father is going to be a sixty one this year He's had his gone through a lot of things During this very long and arduous detention and I'm I'm really worried about his health and worried about his safety and You know we really we really just want help in resolving this and in and bringing him home so what do you think is the reason that they were snatched in the first place and then secondly moved after what what what appears to be a couple of years. Yes so I couldn't say for sure. I'd be speculating if I if I could tell you for sure why. My father was taken I I don't know But I do know that For whatever reason it is it's nothing has come of it. Nobody's benefited from the pain and suffering that. Ps experienced that these other people have experienced now for eight hundred and twenty seven days. So who do you think is behind? So who do you think is behind this? Though I couldn't say for sure I don't know I mean For the Venezuelan government. Well when when this happened The there were reports in Venezuelan media. Where you had a topic William Saab the Attorney General for of Venezuela and Nicholas would also talking about these cases and saying that you know saying bad things about these men and my dad and and Saying that they you know they will be tried. here in Venezuela as traders and whatnot and You know I think there's gotta be a misunderstanding to be honest Were the kind of people that we work every day to forgive Whoever you know is doing this and We have plead to all the different stakeholders including of course the captors in Venezuela Because as we understand yes the Sabean and the our agencies that That I believe mother has control over right and so we we play with him. We play with all that can make a difference. Here right Of course including the United States government to resolve this situation because for whatever reason is happening which is obviously much bigger than my father or any of these men Understand that it's human lives so yeah so and Denise feel free to jump in on this but what is the US government doing to help and please identify yourself when you're speaking share world like as I mentioned we've we've plead to everyone can and we've had multiple visits to Washington. Dc to advocate. We think it's important to keep encaged all the people in Congress as well as people in the State Department And try to understand. What kind of progress can be is is being made in what what more could be done right and So we just WanNa make sure that ficials across the government of across our government know about my father's condition and the urgency That that exists here the fact that we're so far in this now we don't even know for certain where he's being held because nobody can see even see him or talk to Him. Right now is incredibly concerning and And he's being held in Venezuela where With you know while there isn't right now. A like a a confirmed case of the corona virus. I mean there's all kinds of things that could be happening and you worry about Your loved one's health because we're not there to be able to support him or even know how he's really doing so today's yes. Well we've we've had contact with a lot of people in like Christina said And with talk with the Senator Cassidy for for our state resign. He's being a great support But you know I don't know exactly what they're doing or or not we just thinking for all the support that they can give us You know there's all these diplomatic things that they might be doing but we are not informed of any anything really work. This is Christina. Sorry Oh just a close up on that on that thought through we do have great faith in in resolution here and we know that President trump has been successful at bringing other Americans home safely from these sorts of situations. And so we're hoping that that can happen here And and that's what we continue to ask for for help so I know you have been pretty active in Getting your own I guess effort Information effort off the ground to sort of keep up with What's happening and make sure that people know what's going on to try to generate support. Tell us about your efforts to try to spread the word about this and what kind of response. You're getting from people. Yes so this is Christina but since since day one People have been very supportive in not just like Charles Community All over the world We have family everywhere and And trends everywhere and everyone has since day one wanted to know what more they can do and so we continue to ask people. And what we've seen has helped is to keep the pressure up with their Congress members of course and But regardless of what country they're in even because we think that he even international support is helpful in this situation as well so we think that's important keeping the awareness up we Tree advocate on various social media platforms and our and talk allied on different We we talk with many reporters we will we talk with anyone that would like to know more about what's going on so that people stay informed about it people know that it's still happening and and also so that you know even though. I know my father can't read any of this right now He might be able to feel the support that he's getting the love that he has 'cause there's a huge community Not just his family that that miss him that no What kind of person he is. And that know that you know a life is worth fighting for. And that's that's what we're doing we denise It's my understanding that you Visited Caracas. A couple of times and because of Mister that else health You didn't recognize him. Is that correct? Well yes the first time. I went to visit Because I I really hadn't travelled to see him. Because he was very apprehensive of me traveling to Venezuela but finally I just decided to go in and I went in July of two thousand eighteen and that was the first time I saw him And when I went into the room where he was there was All these other gentlemen that were you know. receiving visits and There were only in uniforms. They had these some like green all the roles and they were all shaved the hair completely so I looked around. 'cause I didn't see my husband like I truly didn't recognize him so as soon as I get in there and I look around. And he buys from afar. He lifted his hands up. He saw denise I'm year and I was like shocked because he had lost sixty pounds and sixty pounds. And you know he was so thin and no hair. He looked like a prisoner of war. And it's not an exit and it's not an exaggeration and I don't know if you've seen the pictures but there's a picture where he was taking in January of two thousand Nineteen in even so and it's a just shocking to see him how he was and it hardly look like him like. I said I was very very shocking. and You know he always. He's he's like a said he's just a great person and he's always very positive so when I saw him I you know I tried to not show my my my impressions that I was so shocked because when we hugged they will like old bones and I was like I even know how to you know. Talk to him about moment and so he was. Just you know Super Nice with me that He had he was joking. Even like saying you know of made a record here The only person that has been have hasn't had Visit in over Eight months eight and a half months I think he was at that time and You know trying to to be positive and and be be be nice. Just as he is but But the real thing is that I was completely shocked He's very like I said positive. And he tries not to worry worry. Us and He's always saying that he's working. He's only job in. There is to keep himself healthy in mind body and spirit and that he's you know he's he's just fighting for that and To be able to be to return home soon and just try to be the best he can let me. Let me ask you a question about That that those visits during the course of your visits did you speak with anybody from the Venezuelan government. Did anybody how did you get there? And how did you get into there? And what was that? How's that arranged? Well the in this Military Detention Center. There's Saturdays and Sundays visits for for all the detainees so I I just went on I. I had to bring all my my documents. My Marriage certificate my passport Everything so they would allow me to visit him and At that moment there was no problems for you know just just to to do the visits on weekends now. Sometimes they without any you know Notification they just stopped the visits and like right now. The situation is completely different. We you know there's no visits at all. And there's not communication with the lawyers. Nothing they have the isolate not only my husband but the rest of the CITGO six so we don't understand that because usually they they are supposed to be allowed you know visits And after that yeah after you know the that July visit I went again in April of two thousand nineteen and I say it'll always against my husband because he says We already have this problem here with me. I don't want you out to be caught in this. And who knows what could happen to you. And so he doesn't want me to go but I did go again and see him and he still. You know very thin. He has gained a little weight but not much and The last time I went was for his birthday in August eighteen night in last year For his sixtieth birthday and That's the last time I saw him even as soon as you know he was in the house arrest. I wanted to go again to see him but he was completely telling me not to go so I didn't go and visit him well. This this is a difficult story to hear. But it's gotTa be fifty times more difficult for you to live through. What is it that you would like for the US government to hear from you on this on this day? Jj this is Christina and well. I guess what we would like for the. Us government no is that this is a this is an urgent situation It's not something that happened yesterday. It's been going on for eight hundred. Twenty seven days and counting Life is precious every moment counts. And we're doing everything we can do To bring home and we need their hope and doing everything they can do To resolve this and to bring him home because we know they. Can we know this is resolvable And and we realize that this isn't something that's just about my father and start even about his court case which has been deferred over and over again. This is about something bigger and but we need you know our government to step up and take care of this because we've got Americans in need and it's human lives really in need so please. Please help US resolve this before. It's too late and one one of the thing I'd like to ask you what. What kind of conversation have you had with the US government officials? Have you spoken to any specific officials are? How's that been going? Yes so we have been very grateful to speak personally with various individuals particularly We saw secretary of state pump Pale last year along with other families that have hostages abroad is well around that same visit. Which was April? Two Thousand Nineteen Wilson met with Vice President Pence And we're also very grateful for the work that we know. The State Department is doing To help resolve this we just you know we will always wished to know more about what's what's being done since time keeps going on and we hope that That everything possible is being done so You know those are some of the people we've met and There's been many more and I do think there's a lot of energy Out there not just here in the US but around the world to to to resolve this situation a lot of love. That's out there and We really we just we. We would really like to have had this resolved as soon as possible. So we ask. Yeah we asked for them to do everything. Possible any final thoughts. You'd like to add before we finish up. Size says yeah. I'm sorry I just saw a little emotional with this because it's so hard you know and like I said we just did thirty four years of marriage and this is my third anniversary without him and it's been too long you know it's just two years and three months and counting and and I'm I'm I'm getting to a point where I I don't know you know. Our lives have been stopped. Everything is you can celebrate anything. Birthdays graduations have passed And it's just sad and I we need this. We need my husband to come home and I need all the support that our government can give us To bring him home. Yes thank you well. Thank you for sharing that story with us. Thank you denise. Thank you Christina. Both of you and thanks to Barranca. Who was the first person we made contact with and the rest of your family as well for being willing to talk to us and to share your story with us in to Thomas We are going to be thinking about him and making sure that people know about his situation until he is free that I can promise you. Thank you so much. Jj We really appreciate your support and and everyone out there. That is Behind us and our Father Tomato We really we. We know that this can be resolved and and we hope that The will will get us to a resolution on this soon. Thank you yes. Thank you so much. That was the vidal family to them and to all of the members of the CITCO. Six families we'll be back to this until it's done in our next episode in two thousand seven. Estonia was on. It's knees the victim of a vicious Russian cyber attack since that time. Estonia has risen to its feet dusted itself off and said about defending itself in brilliantly planned in strategic way so much so that the rest of the world now beats a path to their doorstep asking how to defend against Russia target. Usa sat down with the President of Estonia. Kirsty cal delayed to hear firsthand. How they do it. She said it's all about understanding Russia to try to stop democratic processes. He's one of the approaches which Russia has been taken. She says yes. Estonia has faced the giant figured out the giant and has developed a security system to protect itself and now the rest of the world wants to know how to do it but the thing that she says most important is big countries need to be on the lookout for Russia continuing to medal. And here's the most important point about it is that I mean disrupting is still non. Democratic process is as expansive of disrupting a bigger democracies processes. 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TFATK Episode 510

The Fighter And The Kid

1:27:10 hr | 1 year ago

TFATK Episode 510

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Please be quiet. I just. I'm freak out like yeah. I've been working all day. I don't want to sit in lines fell in place to do. What's GonNa take it in two two hundred dollars one hundred dollars than me and they're just doesn't work like that buddy he said that? Hey you fuck. He's they give you a hundred bucks down the PLO. I respect it. Well I used to. When there was a line my father it was literally a line at Laguardia or it was a JFK? We were mean eleven and family members. Eleven Gallup polls were going to Dominican Republic and it was. It was Christmas time so the line was an my dad. Who is a rule? Rule follower from Wisconsin and a good man is standing all the way in the back line. And I go I if I do this. I'm going to die. I don't I don't recommend this shit. This is Shitty of me. But I'm from New York identify more with the Sicilian side. So I like my father I go you got. How much cash? Here's what I go. How much cash? He always has cash. He goes well. 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Sorry well sorry about that. You're right you know there's zero lag time but you. Okay Scroll Down Zero Sixty sorry about that so here. Sixty one point nine awesome. Oh the new one I yeah. Oh that's Rhode Sterling. I can't compete video game though you know I'm talking. I'm talking gas power but you see this two thousand nine hundred eighteen. We we run on dynasty oil baby. You're GONNA come over. I am not because you know who's in electric cars as well. Does it better barshop. But it's hard to get one of those new ones it is I guess they they. They fooled everybody into what it looks like. Because I've seen driving. They told you though. Who's the Elf Queen? We can't really show these video. I'm just trying to sound off but it's quicker and just Pitney by two meters. Just take off for sure because there's no is that the t to drag really gonNA entre now maybe straight with you on the track Burger. Whatever they're interpreting my car? Your video game don't do that but don't go. I listen because tell you. Why only one car? Those is worth real money Mr. It's not about that. You know now you like it for a lot of reasons a million reasons you like it for the feat of engineering that it is oh yeah work of Art Work of art that that Porsche. That's I don't know. Oh how you have to you. I don't I don't really drive in traffic so when I hear and what I care most of the time right no not when I go down like to paint a candidates. It's Daddy's stickshift. No but there's PK. Eighty case I can do it if I want when daddy leaves the comedy store and I or you are up. Oh Oh it's go time. Don't all right. Well where though what did you get pulled over by who what cop can sit on Moral Canyon. Think about it. Yeah Papa moving now the one was regan trouble cops hiding there like in dodge. Ram's and she one on one. I take it real proper you do the then Laurel Canyon pop opens up. Where do you open up a lead five year no not four or five either to tops? They hide yeah yellowtail the the canyons dude. Cops can't be that she can't really opened her up. That's the widowmaker now. Now few famous guys have died in Porsche's. Yeah let's go through it. Yeah Paul Walker James Dean Right James Dean Jimmy Dean Dean Paul Walker. The Guy Ryan Dunn was actually an GT to R. S. is Ryan Donna Jackass best friend. Had A lime green These are people who died in portions are types portion but this is just car crashes come. Oh I- uh-huh porsches linked with celebrity deaths now. James Dean died on Amazon. I one five fifty spider by the head ahead. Oh look at that. Look at what happens to your head. James Dean Yeah I mean you have you have a lap belt. That's this done. Does the ninety six eight The nine eleven was Ryan described. Been Holyoke is a night six eight. Oh flat nose filthy thesis if you ain't GonNa car you did it right Ben Really. What is that car? The flat nose nine thirty turbo. Who Filthy Linden really such that other guy went into fucking Oud player now Paul Walker and a crew Gt? That's different animal all now. Why what is that She's crazy car. Crazy million cars went for auction in a bunch of cool cars famous. As is you WANNA keep those his daughter like his millions of dollars in those cars. Targe Azeem neum really. Well said he was one of the greatest guys. That's what everyone says. He's such a such really down to earth per dude you know who's the baddest dinners. Bruce cited a food truck with him boy muzzle man. I'm so jealous. I the about us. I'd love to meet that. Hurry up and get out here for Brian. Come look at his hair is here street. Jesus Yemen Doc came up in a very cushy way lots of money lots of presents at Christmas. He's an introvert. Man He asked introvert. Just wants to be It's GonNa be Kinda on his own you know. He's paid his dues guide. He's gotTa have benthic career in the world. Let Yeah he's got the most authentic no wife to kids no wife Okay Bill. I didn't know that and I told my horry what the Miami best-looking remember. Oh Yeah Oh it you see us. Oh yeah yeah or as he's not busting nuts nano. No girls. Don't like a champion like that. A bad ass astrit about and some guy without hair as good visit gets at what he does house. The plant opened out the car. Little Cameo back there now makes sense or he's in the car shop because the color that rear color. You're not talking about the Prius right there. Are you talking about the. Yeah I'm talking about the Miami Blue. Yeah what food truck did you guys. You know what for him. We didn't do a food truck truck. You want really good Sushi and we were kind of food drugs so we had really good Sushi brought in. We had a waiter so he didn't know. Sit in the middle compensation do very next night and then this waiter came out with this really. That's very I was because you're the baddest on planet. I didn't do food truck. I brought real Sushi to you I went Hanta or whatever and then like this guy came out. Funny Yeah now does does He. Is He training right now. Or is he taking it. Easy He's out here for stem cells. Awhile Jeez yeah great to just like solid. Es also regular Yeah Melissa Mo- mostly guys are men but he's just emmy such a sweet person he has the kind soul. Has He ever so style bender like the these these these guys men. There's like they're just so authentic and genuine Kale love amount. You just can't well. The my feeling is that they're both There are actually characters. They're colorful characters like you love to wash them. They know how to turn it on. They know how to be showman but part of the way they are shown showman is that they're really authentic like they back up what they say but but with horry. It's nothing's plan none of it's like he doesn't WanNa do interviews. He doesn't WanNa do that stuff. It's like when banner Nacre Them Talk Shit like it's for him. It's personal yes. So but he's not doing anything like he doesn't think of anything preconceived like honor Tale Right. He just he doesn't WanNa be in the spotlight. Yeah she wants a lot of money and the best but yeah. That's the only ones who is Alvin A to like he doesn't want these super fights he doesn't want this. You know yeah like that that whole dancing and that liked him. He would do that whether it was at marvel arena in front of one hundred thousand people will or if he was fighting in a backyard. He'd be doing those same. Will He. Fight at fifty five seventy Mazda floats between but ho five at seventy hugh. It's gotta be hard for him to make stuff. He's done it but he he would do it for could be he would do it for Kabaeva could be. How do you solve Kabaeva problem? It the horry position because this was our conversation. Release it but it was like like. He's bigger then the belt. He's a bigger name than both guys fight for the title Castle. He doesn't really care so he wants to make ds or which. Nick wants him. or He wants Conor McGregor. He's I don't really care about the belt like a bigger like he's right. He's bigger than the belt with the bill. Connors kind of intriguing to me. I mean connor at this point but but because connors boxing is really good. His striking and I feel like they'd they'd box out. Yeah however would also kick connor and his legs and his body kicked kicked though. No yeah not like core. Hey not that now. Bega sticker with with Nate Diaz. He was just laying into those ribs. Though you know that that's front kick but you know what I mean. So and he'll do conifers. Worry next yeah tonsberg causing a fight cowboy in January and what he has. That's the plan that's what they want. And what hoary wants is to be on the the Co main event against Nick with Nick wants to fight and they've reached out to his team so that'd be January eighteen. Yeah Nick Ds. It's a great conversation. Though he was fantastic can help it. Love the guy he's gotta go. Correct me if I'm wrong though. Wissmann is ultimately in after that. That's what we are conversation. The he'll do anything. Yeah well he would fight for the fifty five title. No seventy he'd go for state seventy so you know you're the FIS FIS can be by seventy welterweight right. Yeah he is interesting because servicemen. ooh and Kobe are third and fourth. Choices Ram wow. He's federal title. I'm big in the title. which he's way more famous than both guys right? Yeah he's striking striking problem. He's such a bigger win. He's never really lost. He's awesome controversial diseases. Yeah like who is he actually been actually out there I never on the. That's yeah that's like Nick. Ds His prime. Nick never was really put down he got he got put down by Paul Daley and then it came back and knock Paul Daley out with the same got finished by Josh Thompson Nate. No other different. Nick was always like just phenomenal. That way by fought who is a Henderson and it was so weird. What he's doing? Yeah it's GonNa be like though. I'm intrigued by five. Actually happens really but it happens. Yeah tell would you do this weekend. I ended up going to the peppermint club. I watched my friend's band play the peppermint club. it's this little. I bar by like West. Hollywood Beverly Center famous I don't know I mean I know you know when when I was down. What the Rams game as you're driving back that's where those those strip clubs like deja Vu and playpen Yeah I've now been but you drive by and you think to yourself this. This isn't a very industrial area. He feel like it's kind of a lawless and you know you've got in there some boom boom boom boom room or you know what I mean. I mean there's some there's some Bob and going luxury gonna I think so. You imagine there'd be some fuck or you're going on in those places 'cause you gotta trudge down to the middle of like downtown. La But not even where the warehouses are outside the outskirts understand big old warehouses soups. The play. Pen here whoops not artfully cash. Yeah not a strip club guy but listen. If you're going to go down and you don't want to be seen good place to go throw a hat on. Maybe a fake beard a mask or what kind of music is your friend play I don't know what you you would even say honestly But it was fun genre. Would you say I mean I don't know like it's it's really. I'm not great with music. I just kind of tar stage. He was even performing his friends performing. I don't know what exactly it is. He does for the man but he said that end zone else who's playing I don't know. He said that it was his band playing. And then I got there and realize he doesn't play an instrument and he doesn't seem so I don't know if you manage them. Maybe I don't know who's made it. WHO's this kid to My friend from UC not too close. But I see him every now and then. Chad wants to some breweries by yourself. No Man all right take Jesus. Jeez I mean we don't know be more general just some bridgewater dudes my friends downtown. La Arts district friends. They were cool the people you met him yeah he came. He brought some friends from one of them. Yeah Hey what if you're going to Newark on Wednesday when we get back Sunday okay. Why because we had the dice house together the night before Thanksgiving? Oh Yeah I sell twenty seven I think twenty seven. I'll be back. I'll be back. Maybe come back Monday morning. PODCAST good is did dove go back. Delve went back actually spent the weekend in San Diego the American Comedy Club. Let's right so good. Dang looked up. I didn't see him this time last year. You gotTA hang with. We'll get him OUTTA here again. He's so much fun but New York. I'll go see my parents see at the apartment that grade. Jimmy Burke Your pants that saying I'm GONNA stay. Probably at the Soho grand or something. You know what I mean you do it right at a hotel. 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This is all the stuff like when I hear The New York Times Report on homelessness in California. Okay they never fucking once mentioned all the mentions people lose their jobs and they don't have us. They never once mentioned drug addiction or alcoholism. They never mentioned mental illness. They they're just lying to all of us drive around go to go to the basically the shantytown of Venice go take a look at WHO's in those tents their highest faulk all the time and sink on things like this is all beautiful and everything else but what what are we. What are you saying like? What are we trying to say like you were you there? There is a factor of like. It's not that healthy. It's just not healthy but also like where does self-discipline self-discipline not. When was self discipline? Not Sexy Yeah I get where it's like. Oh be yourself and be your true self. I'm with that that's fine. You have to be a fat shaming and it doesn't mean you have to be a model but at the same time to Kansas. Yeah eat whatever you want whenever you want and still live your truth. It's like well no but there are men that find this very attractive backups. So there is that to some dude. She's out there. Just oh please. Don't send me poems those pains if you're cyber still playing dressed up in your home. I'm doing great Milan. Well she's now. I'm sure owning her look. WHO liked it post? I'm leaving Waldir. See guys like Derek hough guys like Derek Girl and you go you read the cops like you go girl that she is high fire. Stop it stop. It was wrong. Don't relate to this girl no you can't some guests. Stop Lincoln. Ride my Unicorn Horn. Let's work now keeps going. Just give me five minutes and thirty seconds. All right you keep going see men lover God bless can I please borrow your self confidence. I'm just live your truth growth. That's what you like own it but let's not pretend it's healthy Tennessee. Some more pictures. She's talented really fast pretty face well. It's interesting that you're talking talking about that. Because the reason why she's in the news is that she's currently being sued by a post mates worker for incident that happened back in September so she blasted this Screen shot from her phone of her post. Mates person who is coming to deliver food and she tweeted it out added post mates saying the girl who was supposed to come deliver. Her food ended up stealing it and it had like a photo of her as well as her name. Tiffany and then like the first initial when that happened the posts worker said that she came and she said that it was at a hotel. She didn't have a room number to go to. She tried calling the person for ten minutes and nobody picked up. She went to the front desk. The Front Desk said that they didn't have anyone by the name the under was order. which wasn't Liz OHS stage name or her actual name to? She didn't know our is apologizing. Apologize for Doug because she got called out that she posted girls face so oh mine near the followers on your schooling get her six inch sub. That's not right yeah. She tweeted out something along. The lines of post mates your worker still my food. You're lucky that I don't find any post meets. This girl. Tiffany W stole my food. She lucky I don't fight no more yeah shortly after. She took down the tweet and apologized which is saying that she forgets that. She has such a large following in that she shouldn't have had put that woman on blast that women actually ended up quitting post mates maybe a couple of days days after because her family and friends saw saw it and was like. Hey your photo is everywhere I mean. What are the odds that you keep on working? I post mates and somebody recognizes nicest that Excu so she's now suing for defamation and like it's an actual legit Lizotte didn't get or Raviol- that's legit lawsuit. You can't do that now. I can't do do that. It is dangerous to at least I'll be more responsible use of social media in check my petty and my proud of the door. All right right. I'm not mad. There's room for Apollo. I'm just there's room for. She Got Majerus hungry grouchy and she flipped out in the moment but be better. Be Better. How old is she? I think mid to late twenty s old enough to know better in my opinion. Nobody's stealing your Goddamn never mind thirty one now billy. The Irish did it. She's seventeen then you can flip. You're seventeen grow up. The world is your choice. Ter- your Lizardo and you're eating all the wasters. There's you can't always switch like dude I haven't heard from Cardi B. in a while you guys are up on this I love yeah I think she we just got done film. Who's your who's the other one? She had beef with retired. She did yes she got married and now she is making music. I love me some party B.. Though what else you got these bodies ridiculous ridiculous so a woman in Argentina tried smuggling nine pounds of weed through an airport and she got caught. This is the photo that they put unbelievable thumbs. That's hilarious yeah. She thought she was going to get away with it. You don't look pregnant no it looked so outlandish and the TSA was like all right. Well Yeah it's just it's clearly. She's hiding something so she she didn't get very far malaria's scan you too right. So that's just you know if you're pregnant they're like what are you doing. And then Oh upul people wanted us to talk about this So I guess Jay Z.. kind of CA- Colin Kaepernick for his workout. I think you probably know more about this than I do. So Kevin next bout a league for three years right he's con says he's getting ready the NFL. I see both sides the NFL was like let's go. We're GONNA give you work out. Dane Bite Twenty teams. The Atlanta Falcons Practice facilities. It's orchestrate he's GonNa have all these workout so people can see him while Kapran Kapernick want his team ause people in there and the NFL which they don't usually allowed goes no hold up. You can't have all these people in here. We have our team. They want to regulate what cameras what media was going to her era Kapernick when we want full transparency. So I'm not going to do it here. I'M GONNA do it over here now if you WANNA play football you probably not going to to do that right because all twenty eight or thirty two teams. We're GONNA shop. I think two thousand nine hundred thirty. We're going to show up. Give look at you giving opportunity. But he went hold up. I can have my team here. Fuck Fuck I'm doing over here now by say over here I mean an hour so the NFL teams that we're not driving our eight teams. Did they said he did actually look really good. Hasn't throwing arm. But you know you Kinda Shit on your opportunity. They also wanted to sign a like this large contract which they gave him day of he's a holdup holdup at sign. All this and in the contract from what I heard is by him citing that it would it would it make him how he can go back and sue the NFL for missing all that work so in the contract was little seedy excuse like am at Santa Contract Beyond Leonard Limit who comes in and out some dude over here. I'm with all this the. NFL Can Ango okay like the NFL doesn't need Colin Kaepernick. Absolutely not the and I think one so for those who don't know how that works every every Tuesday literally every Tuesday because TNT guys again hurt they bring in guys trout for the team. They'll do bring guys in two you know they can bring out throughout the season they bring guys in. So what's interesting jobs. Never say fuck rehear no never so but they all these teams are interested could have brought him in any Tuesday to work out right. It's weird. They extracted this. Big Kind of Atlantic Falcons workout invite all the teams people think is because Jay Z has relationship with the NFL. He forced them to do it. So I see both sides but Jay z's disappointed and I'm Jay z's liaison for the NFL now and so what is about to help the relationship. The ship with African Americans in the culture and stuff like the liaison so to Jay z's point he's got a hold up dude we finally get your workout with twenty teams. And you're worried about about your team coming in and the narrative the how bad you WanNa play football right when I I also think. How bad do you WANNA play football? Come on all twenty more about this new. I said that Colin John Cabinet was wasn't doing that well anyway he was doing well. Doing well. Starting quarterback yeah. The problem is I don't know if you'd be starting now like the bears could use assumed the broncos could use them Miami. There's a few teams definitely the Bears Carolina. He could probably fit on a team. It's just what did JAY Z say. Jay Jay Z.. was really disappointed in him. Moving the workout elsewhere and he says that he believes Colin Kaepernick did it more as a PR stunt than for him to actually get back onto the team. I I think. JC is just really upset by him pulling all the strings trying to get this open workout with all these teams for Colin Kaepernick. Only to have him kind of make a big deal out of the situation and then move the workout to somewhere else because now he feels like it's a publicity stunt it's not necessarily about getting him back into falling. If it was just about football he was shut got up and just went to that workout and see what happens. But it's like more you know Yeah I I don't know how call entail it to like you only see him out there either. Like moving the needle as far as equal rights and police brutality. He's not giving out there giving speeches around cities. CD Go on tour. Go into where there's actual the issue so I don't know man. I don't know I can understand. How Jay z another scouts like deflect? Get I have we show up and then you wanted to our this way. That's what distraction I it's also the biggest. Yeah and you will have. I'll tell you this in America if Callan cap on your team you're you're not gonNA GONNA you're gonNA piss off of sizeable portion of your population. Which is fine as you want to do that? But also at the minute he starts doing poorly we're GONNA take even more in Tibo suffers over from the same curses when you have the when you're when you names bigger than football when you're a backup or whatever it is it put. It's so much more pressure on the team. It it just put so much more scrutiny in like eyeballs in theology wide. You hire him. You're not doing well. If you want a super bowl great but you know well number one goals play football he wanted done this And Steve If you have you seen what Stephen Smith said because the other guy the safety I forget his name There's a safety who also took an Neil with him Put Up Stephen. A Smith Scrutinize Cabernet. But there's a safety. Oh Dude but the guy went Stephen Smith Fuck with Stephen Dude. Do you see these tweets. Now he learned his he he lit him up. So then Con Cabinet is going on here so let me get this straight. We're sailing over. Whatever Colin Kaepernick has been working out all of this time him people in this camp his closed ones loved wants everybody to talk about? He wants to play football. He wants to play football. He twenty to play. Just give him a chance. So what does the. NFL DO recognizing recognizing that teams need a shield because they need something to hide behind because they know that guess s what if we bring this brother in four workout and we don't like them a we don't want him. Who knows what we're going to get accused of we need cover so the NFL provides that? I have no doubt. Jay Z's evolved ABN Odell Roger. Goodell is involved. I have no doubt there's a host of people evolve again that this man one of the chains twenty five teams show up in Georgia at the Atlanta Falcons. It's practice facility stated off city. NFL personnel equipment. Everything video everything. And what does Colin Cabinet do. Do Not Tuesday when he found out about it now. Wednesday not Friday Saturday three hours before to work out because of some issue a liability waiver coller capital wants to change the venue. Colin Cabinet wants his own receivers colleague. Catholic was the video. Thanks himself. Colin Kaepernick wants to media the skullcap a comedian on him. He don't know interviews he's talking about media can't find him but he wants to do anything he wants the media available now post your C- c- he don't WanNa play this camera angle. He wants to be a model. That's right but guess what. I love it any any work in his time. All of US believed colleague Cabinet with a showdown and if he had showed out. I'm here to tell. Oh you got dontrelle believe he would have had a job in two weeks agree the Barium sunlight but didn't happen because he'd show he wanted to show up to a high school school in Georgia. Now get Outta here. It's the guy who also took a neil. I forget his name. Go back. If it's on social social media nick no no not call it. NOPE NOPE nope. nope it. Stephen a Smith. Oh Eric Reed Steamy Smith other. You'll Fox News the middle one dude and straps on on this. Do so Eric Reid is the guy who also sat out with him and his plane the NFL curtly so eric re puts as Naismith tap dancing for the NFL. Like you know what that is a damn straight call wants to control the narrative. He's supposed to trust the organization that blackballed him and has done. Absolutely nothing in good faith born on Tuesday. Just not last Tuesday at Steven Naismith right. So Stephen Smith goes keeps. You don't play the video here. He goes to mock matic. Said if you're not careful careful. Eric read to the people who are being oppressed. And letting the people who are doing. The oppressing you embody this quote you Malcolm Jenkins and Jay z prance around around doing the NFL's bidding to try to bury con. I Stanford Truth and just above all else. You are mistaken my thinking that because you are anybody is black that you are spared from my criticism especially when you've been so blatantly on the NFL side and corrupting her own their own process to hinder cons. Employment now look what re you must've written threaten Stephen a Smith l'amour you talk the more ridiculous. You sound a read. Actually it's worse than I thought since you're the one tweeting to me hours before for a damn game and speaking of the game weren't you in Atlanta and attendance for cabinets workout yesterday before having to leave early to play for a team in a league. You're feeling so oppressed by wasn't that you just ask and hold on more the same Malcolm X.. Who We all revere for life you just bought up brought up acknowledged there were slight error? There were slight errors. Ariza his thinking. You didn't bring that up you eric. Reid went through the same process. Cap was supposed to go through. And you're still. You're still plan on Sunday. But you didn't bring up. And unlike you walking around doing nothing but bitching at every turn myself and many others in the media religiously called out the NFL for blackballing cap. We're religiously highlight we've religiously highlighted the fairness of it. All and some of us have worked behind the scenes trying to help Jay Z and cab back in the league. Meanwhile what is Eric redoing complaining. Meaning like he wants to be on. I take failing to stop the run on Sundays taking money and a bullshit about the NFL every talking bullshit about the the NFL at every turn but asking for that check no doubt yes. I'm the one tap dancing. Why because I'm gave employed while trying to remind youngsters out out there of the pitfalls is it lion wait meanwhile someone like you continues to throw professionalism decorum and decency into walk into the wind sending folks down a dead end path? All because your boise getting precisely his way when no one gets their way. So who's the sellout guess what it's neither of us. We just have a difference of opinion. I still it'll still respect. The hell out of your immature belligerent. Self but I'm going to call like I see it. Cabinet made a mistake the way he handled all this if he really wanted a job in the NFL fell period and your contribution to all of this doesn't help. It hurts. Anybody you being wrong. It's about you need to grow the hell up your decision your life do you. He he added Chin he added. We'll have a different opinion. I keep going. I've been ready for three for three years where we're into Thursday owners. I'm just not by top just true Stasi both ways. But it's just like I think he's an ego maniac and I think he's not his way he's not I think he's I think he's way more valuable by not playing and he knows it but him trending minded dabble in and cause. NFO's a cool. Here's here's twenty teams. If you WANNA players twenty teams falcons. Do you think this is ridiculous. I'm I'm GonNa do an hour away to. You're not Tom Brady. You're vying for position on team. You're a good player. You not a great player and they think if your GM or your your your team. I called up. This guy's making this difficult to give him up. Never never never never. I don't even know about what he's staying care. Ross about brutality no one wants that in the NFL. But you know I can deal with this and they're not going to deal with it so he didn't get side. The eight teams showed up but I this significantly hurt his chances. No one wants to deal with. I'd like to see him play and see what happens. I'd love him jumping with Chicago. Or you know the broncos. We need them now. Here's the question. Will he meal. I don't know he just huge. I wouldn't sign them now. I think he sounds like a fucking Diba. You know I I. I don't know what he was like as a player was he well liked. I don't know I don't know for the for the niners for awhile. Well we see Antonio Brown comeback all depends on US salt charges now. He's good enough where they're gonNA put up with it. You don't want best receivers all time. Yeah so that would be. He's less of a distraction than call. He's lasted straddling amita girlfriend. But yeah what else you get John. this here over the weekend Kanye West did the The church thing with a huge guy from Houston Joel. All steam and the one quote I saw parts of it I watched a one quote was very interesting. He says Jesus is Wanda victory because now the greatest artists that God has ever created is working for him so he's considering himself he's called himself the greatest artists for rap right. I mean okay but who says that I mean but also you're not not the greatest artist not even close to Michelangelo. What are we talking about? What do you mean artists like I if he's just hip hop there's argument as far as like what what he's done for the culture and like the movements? He's insanely huge. Could be number one. I think he's talking about artists period. Which is insane? It's also it's all it's all relative title area you might think Gnaws you might think it brings. You might think bottling. Yeah you might think fucking Glee I might think on full relatives but what an embarrassing thing to say. Oh you know what else. He'll allow TV and he doesn't allow The staff can't have sex unless they're married now. I'm a I'm I appreciate. He's got problems. He's got mental worst problems. I'm surprised no one's ever asked Kim Kardashian. How do you deal with his insanity on a daily basis how on the phone I think it's a prearranged thing but if the businesses how on an everyday basis are you dealing with the craziness of this man you hear him talk like like Oh shit? I don't know he's just he's he's not medications. You got more creative steamed up deal on a day-to-day basis. He's just crisis assist. Not all their behavior May to that. If you're Kim like what the fuck did you listen man you know. Yeah that's I was. I've seen that my with my own eyes. I've seen some people who are the famous as that and I and I seeing their spouse US fuck other dudes now watching their spouse kind of realize that they made a deal with the devil. You know there's so many it's a high like I gotta get out of this now. I can't you know the Kim's just not more famous as you know he's ready to surpass so here. Here's what's this is about. Connie so Jordan's ability right Jordan owns forty percent of Jordan forty four hundred forty or fifty or something like that of the Jordan brand which is Nike. which is we makes? It's always money now. so He's a billionaire. Here's what's crazy. Connie wes own seventy percent of yeezy and Adidas. So that's why they're saying kind is going to leapfrog Frog Jay Z.. Everybody in hip up. Because he owns seventy percent. It's like the hottest he's yeah but he's also will this and this is where I fucked with Connie whereas decision you know. And he's talked about like with Travis. Scott who has these great labs with Nike and these other guys who have great clubs thousand Nike Goes Nike's using you and let's say a million dollars year. Yeah and then. There's how much are they gonNA shoot you. Don't own any of that. So that's why he was an they meet his shoe. So like his red October's Eason's other these are was so much money but he's like no. No Kid I know can get those. This is ridiculous. Soon Adidas Jimmy ownership shipped create and I WANNA make shoes certain models available to everybody. Yeah cheaper price. Yeah what he's done sure but he'll send me percents you don't say seventy percent of easy and easy to still though he just they just release these easy free over the call. Eight fifty aliens during him up. Let me see what the new Ez Zor so I. I'm not too unknown. But it's the it's the three eighty S. The aliens looked just released from twelve hundred dollars now. Twelve hundred see the middle. The second one's inches on you on x. luck let's see. Let's see these that I would never wear. Let's see these aren't for you know. The company was fi probably cost. What what ten fifteen dollars? Yeah and yet sold for what a great profit margin that is. That's incredible. I told you I've talked awesome guys. WHO Like street guys and they go? Oh we don't sell drugs new drugs we sell so yee's shoes because legal and the markups way higher within the up so they they hustle shoes. Dr Scott Sees. Wow Wow to judge the the the shoe market. It's so interesting because it's like it's created this culture where it's like people were like getting murdered and rob when they stay in line for new pair of Jordan's so you got rid to that so now. The big thing is is like Nike released their travel Scotland Saturday at seven. Am Seven am. I set an alarm at six fifty five down my shit ready to go so so eight gotta download the APP enter information on there. And here's what's crazy be. You Enter Drawing Santa Drawing. Hopefully you get. I've never won on their. I've I've been a member for two years of other this Saturday I one. I woke up my brother three floors down. I was so excited. Let me see these fucking shoes. He one so I can already got it forced ones. They're not for me. I I know but I just need to train more he can so I can say you you okay boomer boomer okay boomer. What does that mean? Those are what you want them. Dead at Prenton. Oh Oh please over are they hate those shows okay boomer suck man okay boomer. What are the folks folks? What are the what does that? Sit on top of listen. I like four shot up to it. Okay boomer boomer I can take the call put your home so call it boomer man you know what it means I fucking hate okay. boomer Sokol boomer okay boomer again had you should boom boom a morning. You Bro. Oh yeah shoes aren't for you boomer. They're not for you do. Those shoes are so hard to get you in those shoes. Here's here's the thing they'll be just as a money investment. I bought those how much I got him for. A hundred and eighty one of the standard price. I flipped them like this. I don't know eight eight hundred tomorrow off no boomer. Are you going to wear them. Yeah we're the issues again. Drive the fucking my cars. where my shoes right? But they're the why are they so terrible though. What do you mean sick if you take the top off? I don't know what they're doing. What are you what does that top? I have no idea but removable because I know I wouldn't worry. If they're stuck like that you can take it off and it's a normal air force one the most comfortable shoe the most iconic shoe besides whether the the Jordan has been Nike Okay boomer twice a call where boss or you're forced foresight. Never wear them. But I bought. I bought them because they were comfortable so comfortable. But they're high tops. Okay boomer. Why's he called? Let me pull it says here. In your times writer Taylor ends defines. Okay boomers generations. These endlessly repeated retort to the problem of older people who just don't get it funny because you say she's getting heckled by this guy yes he just goes okay boomer from the podium and now it's like the biggest okay boom. WHO said that who was saying? That are Gretchen The the the little girl was shut. The fuck about The the earth being on sunfire The pollution all that those owner whatever But some she was choosing New Zealand and she was heckled by an old member of parliament who she was giving a speech John Climate crisis and she just went okay boomer Oh this is a different person than huge Warburg there. It is my generation and the generations after me do not have that luxury and the year twenty fifty. I will be fifty. Six years old writes now. The average age of this fifty second parliament is forty nine years. Old Okay Bouma. Current political institutions. He's had proven okay boomer competent. That's what I say to you now anytime. You don't know what we're talking about okay. boomer Seattle smooth. It was for me to yeah. He did a quick okay. boomer ends the let me see here. That's not okay. That's okay boomer unless you mark merch which I would take Sir okay a Boehner Okay Boehner okay wait. Can I see the the what those shoes without the top. There's regular and Google those are those are velcro there. There is no no did they. There's no picture that off. Trust me and take it off boomer here notice it looks way better with the whole thing. Art Oh come on dude the multiple multiple whoa colors. It's also a nightmare before Christmas. It's so sick I remember for. I'm so excited for them when I got the notice that went you. You Success Zest you one too. I'm in my undies Bro. PB stays out the front shit breath in the morning. Here's all crazy. I've gone in my brother goes. You did not your brother's just like I'd take you want. Okay boom I said the Likud WanNa go get the fuck out of here casinos. You knows he does. But he's forty list. Yeah he's getting to an age boomer though how. When does this stop up boomer? No Dude so call me boomer. The thing is the Sh- the shoe cultures always gonNA be there. Do I know so when you're in your forties. You're going to be doing this. Rockin awesome shoes and take care myself. He carefully out boomer. Be careful with the awesome though. Yeah well I mean look at 'cause like this is just my off white nineties I mean and my dinner. Ricardo stance sucks. I don't like you I how I wish I. I wish I wasn't like this. I wish I could wake up every day. We're in the same shape. How about this? How about this is the fucking Rams Game Guy? I saw you last night at the comedy store. Everybody looks like that and a bunch of people. Recognize me. The Guy I'm he's like four rows. He goes like this he goes he goes with you. That exact same thing. uh-huh shut up. Say That everybody in the whole fuck started laughing I love it. I couldn't believe I ran away. I was like damn it. It was so funny and he's right. I wore the same Ted when the same thing back then as is my underwear on the same day no never beyond so you just say you did dope. Just keep my whistle clean elouise. I cleaned my. What is that you asshole waxed I have to you? It might have done this you know. Who am I going to go leading the value? Do I'm not GONNA have my ass way at waxed. That would hurt too. Yeah that'd be Nice Nice and clean and I want my whistle team. Yeah I would get There's a bunch show. Let's see what this first United Airlines pilot and this is at Denver Airport. I guess there's a Western inside that airport that has hotel rooms have windows so big windows that face the lobby as well. Okay so this pilot was there and then he would you get a phone call but he was naked right just took off his clothes and answer phone calls in his hotel room in his alter the lines are open okay. So He's walking twenty four minutes. It's just talking naked on the phone to his right. Yeah and people were saying that he was doing lewd acts which there is no evidence to show but he also naked so he got arrested. We actually went to jail for two days before he in your hotel room because you're exposing yourself to people even though you're in your hotel room he didn't realize that the windows people could see through. You know. A lot of them are tinted. Yeah anyway so he wanted three hundred thousand dollars settlement or that fuck. Yeah shoot for his job no. He was suspended with pay for six months until he figured everything vacation. Three hundred G. What was this? That's just other stuff on this page. Jesus let's not look at that stuff to have you see what's happening fucking Tokyo Man. No the protests. Now he's talking about Hong Kong. Yes I've seen the now. Now the government thing that they're gonNA start using live in an initiative for the Chinese government Would I do know. They think it's Iraq Whitney comes tweet out. Thinks Iraq so they're protesting. Oh testing so you know you know what the government did. They took away Wi fi in texting. Phones don't work so you can't re report what's going on crammed bullet. Yeah scary shipment. Now this is the this one to go second amendment and guns and stuff like all right. Yeah when I see is what you say. What the Second Amendment you? Oh you bet government impression. That's I like what Ben Shapiro said about. He goes left and people anti-government gun gun control. People are totally into guns. They just want the cops to have not you. Oh yeah they're still in the guns. It's like you need guns. So it's a question of how much do you want to give the government all the guns or would you like to have some recourse. That's all Kenneth Shan. Come fucking on time. Yeah Iraq I think what else where they can take your AK47 your air fifteen deign that they have drones and everything also go you take the US army. They can shoot you from where you can't see the helicopter you can't see the Alec Okay boomer got. Hey I know about military shed look. I don't like saying I'm just saying because you're GONNA make me I. I Ju screening boomer I've been dum boom boom boom. I'M A. I'm going to embarrass him for your sense that he's going to see this. You'RE NOT GONNA get a black belt next week since it. He and Machado taught me to on number one already where we are already wherever. What's the problem dude? You're up on me. Boom boom sat down boomer. Now what's this maybe roll out now. Aw made me roll out and fuck at the Studio Rochelle. This he'll boomer. Don't do my punch humor sit down okay okay boomer. That's what I say. He dropped to one. Is he teaching to dude. I don't worry about what is teach me teach me Shit where I'm very complex. Due to pack can still choke. I'm very comfortable black ready. Not Yeah you're too strong so just to give news teach you to fight one hand right this strong. It's just see if it were. I'd say off boomer boomer sooner so this should be this. Yeah what about the take downs off what. Let's see it the home humor. This is what you learn bluer go. I'll call you reloaded. You're teach you that boomer Martin Joe like what I don't know right now. The tests boomer strong. I'm not doing anything perfect. Let's see what you're learning Joe. Okay okay don't don't do. I like to do Carol now. All Right Carol Nestle's Ginny Watch okay. I'm good got careful now. Okay Redman Shock. What's what's up? Okay okay since you know the Josie Oh see that right okay dude. You're here I go now. Aw Okay Brennan Case Talk. The I don't like this uh-huh six to this studio my name and get a week free. Yeah that's good good. Good Ah girl girl fucking defense skinned do pretty good. It's not fun of my throat of those tasty tasty juicy. Yeah you don't have on killing man she wanted. You could fan alright not I mean I could if I were going crazy if we're coming to the man I'm not going to come to Matt. It's one we'll do. We're here with us. Our thanksgiving's what next week right and in Thomas Jersey Tapie Thursday on Wednesday me and Brian Count Ice House Wednesday Wednesday side dish with. We have the usual suspects. We get rogin down. Let's figure it now. This who who we want. Has that other boomers who we want. It's all boomers to call boomer. Can't wait I start training more. I'm going to be so hard to finish sick sick for your to strong whatever technique you know technique really crunched French throughout the. You have so much technique I did it for a while like it was your job. It's like my favorite quote in the That movie I wind river. How do you know this land like? It's my job because it is a great movie. It's a phenomenon. The peanut butter Falcon was shot. It was good. I haven't seen I heard parasite which is a Korean movie. It was real funny. I don't watch the parasite I WANNA see Joker because I'm an idiot and then child buff is so good man. Oenology the Irishman. Yes for sure. Joe Peanut Butter Falcon. He's something else isn't he showed. Buff is so good. I'm getting all right. Listen could roll fucking shits that it. You want more you anything yeah. This is a few more so turkeys while Turkey. Is it going crazy in New Jersey. Tom Attacked by Turkey's by Turkey's Turkey's not have it on video. They chase me. Nobody believe me and we came back and he chased me and Amanda Around car. Yes apparently they're really. They're really violent all at these. They see their tour so they come running at you and they saw me and they started running at me and they try to peck you lift. Demand is celebrated all animals. It's well documented. I love animals like a crocodile hunter when I was a zoologist shirt. That's what we thought I was going to be. Hey Burt I do not like bird. You'll eat a Turkey. Nah I don't like Turkey like birds on like Turkey relief. A bunch of Turkeys came out. You I'll shoot no now if you didn't have a gun you're gonNA choke him up stupid fuck and be. Hey I don't like birds man. I like them. They're killers no life in them. The dead by very their dead behind the basically reptiles dinosaurs can used to have birds. Remember I fucking hate bird. I had scarlet CALICO McCall and blue and gold. macaw Dude I. I don't know if I post it or not on twitter. I think retched which Chapman whose the owner of the basketball players shut the Charlotte Hornets. But he has an account on there the lady who adopts his dog who's like beaten and just like like was like torture and she adopts them and they're driving home from the from the Agency and oh she she's driving he's in the shotgun he's grabbing her and just like so thankful thankful she starts crying. All right. Say The dog attack. I thought to face off. And that's why you don't adopt fucking dog so happy. Aw Dude if tears your heart because you see the dog like just so happy to be with a loving. My uncle. My uncle there was a golden retriever and they kept a chain the backyard and and my uncle when they went over and took that dog and that dog would never go near that backyard. They you know you can't do that shit to go. Linda put you. Yeah on a chain and throw food out there for turns that's how most dogs live their lives. The chain yes country. Also that's how you live your life if you're a pit bull makes all the sense but yeah God Damn label on the fucking dude. I don't trust them. You're seeing you ever seen unlike on that. Nature's metal page. It'll show like a fucking bird poke in the brains out of the other head. Well parakeets you've seen the checkout bogo Peregrine Falcon take a roadway due to birds in mid air duct. They'll dive at one hundred and eighty miles an hour and then just perkins Rocklin. Yeah yeah it's like a punch. Yeah Fuck Fuck and Falcon attack. I thought mother peanut Butter Falcons shit either tax. Shit Watch this shit. Real Bird Shimon now. We'll see how much we can show this Smithsonian the Smithsonian Skillful I. I love the way he speaks. I love the way admiral speaks to watch him bird. They are magnificent creatures. starlings are still unaware of the danger where unaware starlings a memorization draws its wings. fucking back this devil. Birds took a superb streamline shape that slices through the air did to it over two hundred miles an hour over two hundred miles an hour this show the attack. Yes nears its target it opens. It's slow its descent. Oh those guys may also also look at this. This destroyed footage pigeon look at this drone footage looks pick tom and they do it with drones. that was cool Well appears as they feel that they own and you just see feathers in the air though things vicious richest did what else you got Chen. Or there's one they do yards on birds. Another Bird Fan Paran birds. They're fucking evil man hating tastings. Yeah if you own one. It's different though it was the shittiest fucking pet. It was trained when we got a- and then after saying that the house two months it just went feral and it would fly around the house and like all you would see his claws. You close the door just here and just like fly down the wings you can fly a little bit. Yeah they have to walk naked clip wattle around you get to perch and and water but be careful of the dog. Hebert's what else yet in this guy from New Orleans. He pose as a mentally handicapped and physically handicapped guy as his brother. Actually in the US an APP to get healthcare providers to come over to the house. Take care of him and wipe his ass. We Shits 'cause you get turned on by that. Yeah he got turned on by so so he posed as his mentally. Ill Brother to get women to wipe his ass. God what a Weirdo. He's even his face looks the having his but We'll look at his face in a dyson having his budweiser town. Yeah he got some sort of sexual pleasure from it. Of course he did push yeah. I'm I'm a baby. Clean my poo whole ten separate occasions. I don't know One of the charges sexual. What is it called Obtain Ain't sexual razzle trafficking official trafficking. Because I guess paying the money to do something sexual. They didn't realize they'll allow gets thrown out you. Basically that's not going to hold up using sexual white. What else L. Chop was the wife is going to be on? Vh One in reality series. She's GonNa be in a few appearance too. I mean. I can't believe they're actually doing that. That's I feel like you wouldn't touch that area. You know what I mean crew cartel crew. They have like a bunch lots of descendants from you know cartel members Mafia members doing that show and she's going to make a few appearances are pretty hot. Shot a lot of work done all of them do on that show and he lives. Do they eat. You don't Hang This is a little older but it's very heartwarming. 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Surviving as a remote tech employee with Jayson J. Phillips

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Surviving as a remote tech employee with Jayson J. Phillips

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I'm chatting with Jason Phillips Easter Director of Engineering Online boot kinship to you in an instructor at full stack Dev bootcamp. How are you sir? How about stuff very well? I am still remote still here in Portland working remotely now for thirteen years and you actually have worked remote for a number of years but also managing teams and projects. Yes I've been working remote for about three years now Third off with a web DEV team at Children's education services We got a road into to you of the acquisition and from there helped our first online offering where we were teaching live via zoom So have definitely had to enjoy the advantages of remote but also figure out how to make it work best for me and I saw a really great thread that you started gave it a little kick. And it's kind of a little viral thread where you said. I've been working remote and it was one of those one of n were you just. Kinda like dumped on twitter until you ran out of steam and he had a lotta great tips and a Lotta great interaction with folks because you were giving us all the tips to be effective as a remote worker. And I've always talked about this kind of dystopia enjoy of being too remote worker because it's amazing because you're like ten feet from your office but right totally stocks because you're like ten feet from your office yet one of the biggest challenges I think You know as you just mentioned is knowing when to turn it on a winter. Turn it off right of the convenience of quote quote rolling over in bed. Starting Your Day is great but when you go at a remote working for a while you start to realize that you can end up in a place where you just don't know how to set that boundary of my days over or my day started And for me. That was particularly challenging. So what is so? So what else tweet? About remote workers for instance taking sick days That strongly resonated in kind of was the impetus for starting that kind of threat on twitter of one example right We work from home. We're convenient so since we can't get anyone sick. Why don't we just work while we're sick and that's really not the best way to think about that? You said it was important to have an activity that signals. The start of your work. You're almost basically training yourself like you know they say you know don't watch ipad in bed or don't read in bed because then your brain will say oh. This is where we watch movies. I will stay awake. Are trying to keep your eye on working and I am at home separate. Yes so I tried to really recreate the structure especially after I moved back into working remote after a brief stint in an office of now I know I'm on it. I'm starting my day of mimicking the commute. If you will if it's ten steps and for me it was really important to establish to my brain into myself that okay as of right now. I am available to be booked for meetings. I'm available to be on and have a team across different time zones that I need to consistently have a start time to be available for and so over time that kind of routine really more for me into our eight when I wake up. Take my shower take medicine but also take a five minute. Walk around the block Take a walk in the neighborhood. Ten of giving you that that Russia fresh air as if I was commuting so then when I walked back through the door my brain awoken and I'm like okay now it start this time. Kinda start plugging and get ready. That is really clever. As you're basically commuting you go out you do a loop like Grandpa Simpson you go into out and You go outside and then come back in and then enter your workspace with a fresh perspective as if you have arrived at work yet and also for me was a good way at first it was. Hey I'm the one thing I don't get nowhere near a thousand steps a day until and it was like okay. I've got a break that up but also I'm studying work earlier in earlier and I'm at different levels of energized depending on the day so for me that loop was really important so by going out getting into neighborhood. Seeing the same dogs on their dog walks every morning it just gave me a routine gave me enough of a shift to really feel like that was the commute. I like that I talked. I've talked a lot before on the show with other people about this idea of living your life By design rather than living by default. Some people might be listening and say well you know I like being at home or I'm a I'm an introvert or whatever and I want to be at home but it's worth trying things. If you simply accept the default you might just roll over and pick up your laptop in your online and if that works for you and feed your spirit do it but why not try a morning walk or whatever your go to your local breakfast place or your local small business. Support them turnaround. Come back with your fresh coffee in your fresh perspective. Yeah they a because of see you in a couple of I think for me. The way I thought about that is is. There was setting the default being handed to me as creating your default right. He's just mentioned. It's exactly as bad as you have a default. It's that you've said okay. This is work for me right like I is not given to me. It's this is what works. Best for me Because I think in the beginning I did us at that default of Hey I can just roll over. Keep my camera off and take my first four meetings of the day from bed and then it was all right while I'm not eating breakfast and I don't have any energy and I'm not getting out of bed and now it's noon and instead of me feeling like I had the convenience and the relaxation of working from bed. I have this dread of our. I feel like I've got to start the day but having gotten up yet it now. Although I've had for meetings I feel like I've had a ton more work just pile up like not actually gotten into Active mode and then by the end of the day is like all right. It's five. Pm Let me start my day when of already had a full day. I like that. You say that it's not about default. It's about making them yours. You decided you intention. Allies you intentionally made those defaults accepted them. It's always a good idea. Look at things that you do. Assert your assumptions as we are taught as software engineers. Rest is this. Is this really what I need to be doing? And if it is cool keep doing it but like if you catch yourself going wow. I don't know how that happened but for three days in a row. I took meetings in bed. That doesn't work for me. Therefore I am going to consciously decide not to do that. Yeah some of. It's too was having others pointed out to me as well like a mother would see at a certain point. Hey have you tried like at lunchtime just taking a thirty minute walk. You know you love taking hikes. You can't get out for a full hike but there's a park nearby walk to the park in walk back so you know just even a setting that input Again allows you to not accept that the fault like you said it allows you to say okay. I can take suggestion. I can make it my own You know one of the things that get teased about on twitter but it has has become one of my defaults. Is the idea of wearing dress shoes. I wear dress shoes in my house to my office because it is those shoes that represent work to me and then if I'm out in the world I might wear trainers sneakers or whatever you know but I will not wear kicks in my office. It is my office and that is just my little weird thing but it helps me. Keep things separate if for me. It's two things in particular. One is a big bottle. Full of water is as like my default at the desk of. I'm starting my day in a second is wearing a Hoodie. And it's very very bay area right so like Oakland the San Francisco but I find that just even that notion of walking out the house then walking back in in keeping the Hoodie on it again gives me that feeling of like I just walked into the office. It's it's my for about a phrase my Mister Rogers moment. It's your suit though it's your blazer it's the thing that represents work to you and you put it on. Ya and Mister Rogers. He would take a sweater off. Put a different sweater on but it was. It was separate sweater. Always made me wonder about that as a kid but it made sense red sweaters. One thing in the blue is another man. I mean it's so yeah. And is that you know that the threat that we're talking about Signaling the start of an episode in the end right. It's ceiling to him talking to US whereas him going off in going back into the world and you mentioned in that thread. That working remote doesn't mean you don't have boundaries and I think we as the remote workers are so easy so eager to please that we tend to think there are no boundaries. And we'd take meetings at times when non remotes which is well no. I'm not working right there. I'm not in the office yet. It's I think one big thing that's That can become that that block or or bring that tension. Is this idea that you have this privilege convenience just from working from home and while you do a lot of ways in terms of your choice of environment it doesn't mean you haven't earned your boundaries right or that you don't have the right to have the same structure that you're maybe your colleagues in the office do have and so you know if you save from eight to ten? Am You don't take any meetings. Because that's the best time for you to do your administrative work. You don't have to feel bad about that just because you work from home. It's you know those boundaries are not about where you do the work. It's about how you do the work and that's really I know for me. That was really tough to wrap my head around the first year that I worked. Remote I just. I almost felt bag that I didn't make myself available for nine. Am meeting because while. I'm at home. I didn't have to commute but again that that's I think that's the wrong way at least for me to think about it in terms of how. I set that boundary and just knowing that hey nine. Am is my best email time. Like I don't need no other interruptions until my first team meeting at nine thirty. Yeah I think that that I have low. I have Remote worker low self esteem where I feel guilty because I can pick my kids up at school at three and I feel guilty that my co workers that live in Seattle drive an hour to get to work or whatever they do. So then I overcompensate by working hours that are not reasonable hours. I have found that to be pretty consistent of remote workers that that also I don't know if the right phrases remote workers low self esteem. But there's a little paranoia that I think we have as remotes yet it's And it's understandable. Right is again is like well. I have this unfound freedom that most people don't But in the same token it's you know when we do commutes when office. We have a choice at times of a relatively speaking we. We can have a choice of going earlier of going later depending on the environment. And so you know I think for me. It was helpful. Also think about well if someone has an hour commute to get to the office then I should take an hour before I start my day. Excuse me to do the same personal things get my coffee make breakfast you know and also promote habits that. I know I wouldn't do any office like you know in the office. I don't eat during most meetings right that that wouldn't be the I personally would do. And so I don't want to carry that at home like my lunchtime my breakfast time to be my time and so if I know my teammates commuting from eight to nine. Am then I will. Mike Burton quote unquote will be to do my personal stuff from eight to nine. Am that is smart smart. It's it's it's about being conscious and being thoughtful in thinking about how you feel about a situation how others might feel about that situation applying empathy to it and then deciding that okay. This is a decision. I made this decision that they made but I am going to set boundaries because otherwise if there are no boundaries that the work is going to consume me. Yeah and then you don't you don't take those steps back those steps back to you. Know take the space to think through problems engineering or in any field really right you. Don't you don't really get to do the things that you would normally do right. Which brings me to another point that I was talking about in the threat. That's related is taking frequent. Small breaks right. I know in a lot of office settings. There's always the challenge of you know there's folks takes bricks and I said tell everyone where the smoker not would no matter what your voice is what you always take a smoke break or take a break right. Walk Stretch your legs. Go meet somebody in a different department. You can do the same thing remotely you. Can you know if you still want to be connected? You take away from the desk if you have a work device where you have you know you're connected to your teammates whether it's slack or Microsoft teams or another product. You can still kind of water cooler chat with your teammates while walking around the block but getting away from the screen Much like you would in. An office is really important to me for me. It was to mimic so that again. I don't fall into that trap of feeling guilty for taking time away just because I work from home and then just getting stuck at the desk for hours on it and then you continue by saying protect your home spaces for you know for rest and recovery. One of the things that I've done that I think is the best practices that if you have the space and not. Everybody has an extra room. I realize that people have studios or some people have a a one bedroom but I do an extra room. Dan. I'm I designed it. I made it with just a CODA paint and different furniture. It looks like a totally different house you should. I'm saying like the walls are painted different. The furniture's weird like the even the the what you call these the blinds do not match anything like it. Looks like you're in a different place so if you can make your your corner of the kitchen or your area wherever you sit. Look dramatically different than your home. That's a way of protecting your home space that I've worked for me at least. Yeah that's a great point and you know when I was in an apartment where I had a one bedroom but I had a built in desk. I made sure that I didn't do any thing. Work that desk so if I was you know browsing the web in my off time or anything like that anything doing personal for Comfort. I do from places of comfort. The SOFA right But when I was in work mode and it was time to be on at the office. I had to do it at that desk. I had to not bring work into my other spaces and that is hard to do when everything's at home right but that is key because you start to remember that. Hey when I walk out of that area. Would I walk out of that room if I have a spare room that signals? The day is over unless I'm on call. If something's fire no there's no more email there's nothing getting pushed to our repositories. There's nothing getting deployed. We're done for today. Exactly exactly do you find us. I mean we're here to people talking about what is like as remote engineers. I mean this is a thing right like there. There are other of us that behave the same way and the the blurred lines between personal and work we are. Isn't there a thing about the remote worker being a workaholic of sorts? Yet it's You know a couple of friends who work remote for Some companies that are Becky's that are nine engineering and beef kind of had similar friction points to you fall into that trap of you know. I don't have a commute so I can take an extra hour of work and so I can take a beating till six PM and that's not fair to you. If you know that you would have a hard stop at five. Pm To leave the office to be home by six PM right And just the ease of being able to turn the laptop on and off without the friction of commute or of you know a elevator even in a building taking five minutes to come downstairs. It's you have to put some other friction in place to protect your space and to not fall into that trap of overwork I know I was notoriously bad at this. The first year and a half. Maybe two years teaching in doing that at night kind of helped me get that because I'm teaching a course from six. Pm TO TEN PM. On after having worked from nine to five so I had to maximize that hour from five to six before office hours so that Aki dinner or acted like step away and drink water or take a walk or get fresh air or you know interact with people and while it would seem that doing to promote jobs would could make that worse fatigue and having to listen to my own needs actually made that forcing function for me to maximize the Times in between Each opportunity interesting. How do you deal with with With six days with illness because I have found as my entire team is remote team of six remote and hopefully I'm not calling them out in public but they're all pretty lousy about when they're sick. They're still in bed answering email. It seems like since you're already in bed answering emails or remote or wherever you are you think yourself well. I can't be sick in my house. My hands still work. I should be working I will say that my team's been great at one forcing me to to practice. What I preach whenever someone's sick Shut the laptop Good bed if there's anything we need. There's another tech lead somewhere. There's another engineer somewhere. There's another designer somewhere. There's always someone on your team will come back you up. And so our team has really had a been fortunate with the seem to really have a culture that we've built together to say as soon as someone even mentioned that they've have so much is a migraine. It's hey don't tough out the MIGRAINE. If you have medication for it take it go. I mean at the end of the day. We're not on the front lines like an emt where we're not you. Taking a sick day is not going to result in people losing lives and I think that's a really important thing for us to At times keep in mind is like the what are the ramifications of taking care of myself versus the flip side. Which is you over working in extending your sickness could actually make your whatever it is. You're going through worse. Which is more time away for you but also more time away for you in that same sickness so now forget the fact that you're away from the Office for an extended period because you've been working while you're sick you yourself and now the could potentially be a worse place because you haven't let your body rest because you haven't given yourself a time time to recover and the other day that matters more. That's more important right that we come back refreshed that we come back healthy and then we can kind of jump in and pick up where we left off. I did a blog. Post was called software and saving babies. And you know your your website that sells you know. It's is very likely not saving babies so unless you work on like fulltime baby baby saving software then you can probably take a break you know what I mean like there are. There are mission critical. Things I get that but at the same time though the sicker you get tired or you get the we know the quality goes down so you gotta take care of yourself. Even if you're a remote totally agree thing about it this way when someone in Er who's the best who could be the best surgeon on their floor is sick. They're not gonna go operate on someone. They're going to go home because they're not going to do. Their best work while they themselves are feeling sick. Exactly exactly I'd like to welcome. Our new sponsor. Couchbase couchbase is an open source. No Sequel Document and key value. Store database requires no external cash support sequel analytical queries for Jason Data couchbase supports technologies like Java Dot Net Java script go and python download. It give it a try at couchbase dot com slash hansel minutes that's couchbase dot com slash hansel minutes. Remind you that when you support our sponsors you support this. Show another weird thing. At least people tell me. It's weird that I do is. I will go to the mall and sit in the food court just to have people around is to hear the Din and the the electrical energy of people in the room Do you get cabin fever. Yes So everyone's running joke which is also very true is that I spend all of my free time at target but ironically. It's one of the places where you know there's a starbucks in there so I run into Grab Nice Coffee. But there's people there's always something new to buy at target which have to get away from. That's a whole separate other episode. Show right there how to not buy things at target is an entirely separate episode. But yet those of you who are not Americans target is the everything store and there's always something targets very hard to go into target with dollar and not leave minus ten exactly but yeah that that just the energy of having other people around is very important so a lot of times You know what I always drive if if I knew I wanted a particular cup of coffee. Maybe I didn't feel like making it. I would drive. Make sure I go somewhere. That was busy. Which would be probably anti what most people do. They let me go to the coffee shop. That's the least busy so I can get in and get out for me. It's if I'm GONNA take the fifteen minutes I'm GONNA actually burn the gas in. Let me actually kind of fueled is like to be out in amongst the people for the day. Another thing I've done is Start TO PRIORITIZE. Meet ups one advantage of being a remote worker working from home. Is that because it will have a commute. I could make it to a few more thinks. So why not go out in even just for the networking aspect you know. Try TO GO SUPER Just being around sharing ideas with others and being creative with others in learning from others that you get that sense of connection that you don't get if you just stay in a house the entire time I mean my doctor also prescribe a weekly outdoor. Meet up he said you need more fresh air and you'd be more vitamin D remedies low. So that's the other aspect is also being out in connecting with other people even if it's just being in their company is also good for your health. You know this is kind of kind of related and unrelated but I always talk about how important it is to go to small businesses so I will always pick a small business over a large business. I'll pick a small coffee shop. That's owned by a human rather than starbucks With all due respect to our corporate overlords and in doing that as a remote worker is allowed me to build relationships with small business owners. Where you know. It's like when you if you remember. The show cheers when norm norm. You know like you get you. Can you can support a small business a local business your local Bodega your local coffee shop and you will feel their that friendship. That genuine friendship When you enter their space and then of course they will give you the side when you use their Wifi for an hour yet. That's a very good point You know when you choose the Super Big box spot or the small one you know something as small as someone knowing your order when you first walk in is is such A. It's a for me especially being remote worker. Now it's such a reaffirming thing like oh I have some sort of connection with this person. Yes you know. We have this business transaction right. I had the money. They hand me food in or coffee. But there's also the. Hey Jason you're back again. I know who you are how you been or I walk in. Hey you know breach the house you life. How's it going? How's class like you build those connections? We're not all going to be super close friends but that's not even the point of it. Is that just for that few minutes? You had that connection spark that you otherwise won't have if you stay holed up in your office right and that becomes your Your Water Cooler and you make point that yes you're not going to be best friends with the Barista at the at the coffee shop just as you're not necessarily going to be BFF's with your co workers but you do need that. That virtual water cooler my remote team. We try not to work all the time on teams around slack. We actually have a WHATSAPP. That is the non work what's APP. That's where the memes and the goofiness happens work doesn't happen in what's up. But that is our our backchannel of silliness so that we can at least build some camaraderie. Yeah we We've even brought some of that into our ritual meetings so every Friday. Stand up for a while. It was called. Treat Yourself Fridays where someone had to be on camera showing whatever treat. They will treat themselves for that Friday whether it was ice cream or frozen yogurt or cake or a new something new that they want to buy just kind of creating that non work connection aspect of. We've shifted it this year So this year will start with a trips were taking because we talk a lot about travel in our chats and talks before we get down to business so now it's like hey every Friday so Just about some cool. They WANNA go somewhere. They've been or somewhere they are planning to go Just creating again like you said those those back channels in those non work connection points in streams. I still relate to each other as people let much like you would in an office especially since you know when you have meetings in an office. You usually have you know. I've got to walk to the floor off. GotTa go down to twelve or you have all these different points where you're in close proximity to but also in so many different connection points with other people and you know the even just a small talk to happens before the person who organized the meeting walks in You want to not necessarily recreate that but have that same effect in different ways and it seems like a small thing. Some people might be listening and thinking that these are silly advises and things like that but as remotes. I don't think people who are not remote. How isolating how much of a hermit. How easy it is to not leave the house for a week at a time With all the video conferencing in zoom. And let's see what we can do. I might not see a human for a week or two and honestly I. You know introverts are not. I don't think that's healthy. So doing these small things in these camaraderie building activities has a lot of value. Also builds. Trust a trust that you build. I won't say easier but perhaps not as visibly when more readily yet when you're in In actual space with each other in person right. Because I'll see you all the time and you'll be in the same meanings myself or we will always talk together when x has been completed so over time you you can make the the visual and a physical association with beef colleagues equals things were doing and we've done it together and so we had that trust we have that at least work bond and when everyone is sometimes just words on a screen you do need those other ways to build that. Same Camaraderie definitely. You've also made yourself a kind of a snack bar or coffee bar like we always have that place where you can get a kitchen. You know. There's a kitchen at the office but you should have a space of your own. You shouldn't just have people deliver food. Yes so this was a challenge for me as well Nowadays I love to cook. I will try out new cookbooks. I you know I've I've still got fancy dreams one day of like all right when I'm done with my career in tech out open of chicken and waffles food truck which is about maybe about sixty five percent on a real idea at this point right But it was important for me to kind of make sure that had some of the same conveniences that would in an office grant. Yes you are paying for yourself patrols at home which means you have your own choice you can have your own snacks whereas sometimes you don't have your ended office year. You don't have the snacks that you would prefer to And it also gives you a point to get up walk to the kitchen a walk to wherever you keep your snacks and still get a few steps in they all add and you also don't fall into this feeling of everyone in the office has more than what I have right if we're GONNA have this convenience of being in our own space then. Let's actually enjoy that space Delivery delivery APPs especially now with the you know the door dashes ubereats in in in in the grubber votes of the world. It's so easy to never talk to another person except for. Hey thanks for a bag of food. That is so true and so for me. It was like all right. I've got an Reacts I will walk to the store and buy sandwich or I'll walk to the the tea shop or or cook for yourself or importantly. Yeah or Cook Right. I get full control and you know a lot of times even when we're in spaces where if we're fortunate enough that the companies will provide lunch or dinner. You're going to buy the same groceries. You buy for the most part anyway because you know where you know depending on who you're with where it's roommate's family friends. Whatever you have to eat outside of the office every day. Why not have that same freedom in had the a wider range of food to enjoy and also just at action of cooking for yourself even just sitting in a kitchen for two minutes. They heated up in the oven microwave. It still gets you away from the screen. All of this is on your twitter. Include link to this this tweet this is credit your pinned tweet at underscore Jay Jay Phillips and will make sure that there's links to this in the show notes and hopefully we'll see a follow up on this with more detail on on your blog. Yeah that's the plan Just recently launched a as we talked about off air. It's ripe for some new content so definitely want to continue this conversation further because the other thing is even though. I've shared a lot of these tips. And you know you and I and a lot of others have resonated with it. It doesn't mean that we've stopped right. There is always more things can learn. Especially you haven't been remote for like thirteen years of even some tweaks more things. I could adapt to my way and make my own new defaults with absolutely lots of great tips here and lots more to come. You can check out. Jason Phillips at underscored Jay Jay Phillips on twitter again all that in the show notes. This has been another episode of Hansel. Minutes we'll see next.

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Amateur vs. Professional

Business & Biceps

50:03 min | 1 year ago

Amateur vs. Professional

"On this episode talk about being an amateur professional it's Jay Jay z's birthday and John Dig into our past a little bit. There's some good stuff here. Fosko mature versus professional men the mindset. Yeah that goes with both of those titles to mead was probably the most important part of the show I love that yeah. It was good and then just reflection of hip hop culture and the things that mold as vassal. Thanks for taking from from it and made me the dancer I am today. It's it's not an instagram it's on MTV dude. I don't know what you're doing on. MTV You're on fucking instagram guy. Soul soul train. That's where it's at MTV wraps up five Freddie Dude find me with Fab Five Freddy you'll MTA. Don't add me. John on don't Adjani fat five Freddie Dude show catch whatsoever. What's up everybody? Welcome to another episode of business and biceps. And you better wake your ass up and we cross with this new format John Fosko. I'm drinking some Amino. Oh coffee. I'm fucking charged up ray to go. I don't think you're ready for what I'm bringing today. Foster charged up and ready to go. My headphones are about to blow out. Okay I I know this guy's ready to go. The Amino coffee is bringing is bringing the fire. Let's hope That tray can do the same. I'm a pastor. Boy Trayvon the air right now. Yes age odd. So there's a viral on twitter right now and I know you don't have twitter so I know you didn't see this shit but I I know you're about to love that shit though so Are So basically states that millennials. They don't WanNa work their ass off when they're in their twenties tweeted this number one context. I don't know who tweeted us. I think it was just like okay. A girl or something like that college girl. Okay got like over. Three hundred thousand likes and retweets basically so but basically she stated that millennials don't WanNa work ask off in their twenties to set themselves up the future in the event that they just don't make it to the future. So what are your thoughts on that basically they. They don't want to waste their time because they don't WanNa miss out on the precious memories and they wanna live in the moment. So what's your take on that one. Yeah I mean that's a it's a short sighted. It's a short game. Everyone everyone knows who listens as podcast. We talk about the long game. It's a it's a short game frame of mind. It's a it's a you know the cheesiest fucking sang of the last ten years is or maybe longer Yolo man like you only live once you know. That's cool when you go into Frat parties and all that Shit but after after college you know everything Israel you gotta get a job thing things get serious. You've got to pay bills. You have responsibilities and people who I think they can just live in the moment and avoid responsibility. I mean technically depending on your situation some people may be able to but nobody the nobody wants to do the ugly work. We you know we talk about it all the time here. They don't WanNa do the ugly work of starting at the bottom and answering to someone they don't like week or answering to someone that's younger than them or answering to someone that they don't think is smart as them so they will move on and try something anew and move on and try something new and they're not aware of the fact that you know if you keep moving you're going to be thirty five years old and you're GonNa be at an entry level job so I think it is very common With millennials. I don't think they understand the value of grunt work ugly work because that shit comes I I always will come. I always has come first as where people get their scars. That's where people get their wisdom. That's where people learn when you're at the bottom unum San and when you're at the bottom is where you learn the most and I don't think they're into being at the bottom and I don't think they like the thought of being at the bottom so they will figure out in the future what that kind of mindset does for them. In in in my opinion it's not going to do much. Yeah I think you What happens as you wake up at forty in you realize that you're making thirty six thousand and you're like you said entry level answering to somebody that put in a a bunch of time before you and all of a sudden you're like fuck what what am I going to do in retirement? Am I going to be the fucking greeter at Walmart. When I'm ninety like I mean I think that yes? I think it's it's just a fucking excuse to say. I don't want to put in the time that John just talked about like all the stories that in the experiences that that I had from those early jobs are part of what shaped me to be the person. I am now if I didn't work with these blue collar hardcore dudes who didn't give a fuck. You know how my feelings were. Or you know they had been working thirty years underground or stacking lumber like even all the way into when I was doing dishes at fucking Ponderosa Rosa. I don't even know if y'all WanNa know what Ponderosa says but that was amazing job like they all sucked. All those jobs sucks but I learned so much and if I didn't do those there's no way I would have perspective of what I really wanted for myself so I get like in this age. People don't really want to do those things because they want a fast track everything or they wanna use using excuse you can live in the moment and still and still have a pursuit on what your dream is in work hard. John Lives in the present more than maybe the anyone that I know. He can't even answer questions about this or that because he doesn't even look forward towards things like to ask him about. Where do you see yourself in this amount of time? Not even like a five year plan like in this. That's why my man only one way tickets. My banned books one way tickets like if people get so you can live live both ways you can live in the present moment instill work hard towards what you want. I don't think it has to be one or the Parker record. They don't know what they want you to know what they want. They've never taken the time to know what they want. And it's a very convenient excuse when you haven't even given yourself yourself the time to figure out who the fuck you are and what the fuck you want. It's a very convenient excuse to say I'm GonNa live in the moment man. No you the only reason you're living in the moment is because you don't know what you WanNa do because you've been too busy doing other shit. You haven't focused on what matter so I think I think these are convenient excuses and I think it's it's the mark of a of a generation or more that cannot keep heap there. I on the ball or has no attention span. And this is what it leads to. I'll chime in Connor. Then wrap it up like I think that attention span. I I WANNA cut an elaborate on that. The short attention span doesn't lend to the long game at all right because obviously it's the opposite of that in. So Oh you know you have to do some real soul-searching to to really get to what you WANNA do for the rest of your life. You got a battle through a lot of naysayers. You've gotTA gotTa go through a lot of trial and error the it's a process to actually zone and say this is what the fuck I want to do. And then you have to have the attention span span to like do it for really long time and persevered through a bunch of shit that does not sound exciting to most people and most of the people that commented on on that tweet probably ain't sign up for that and I think that's elaborate. What you said? That's just what it is. Johnny would out here so are back in the streets. I'm try so today is Jay. Z's Bertha and Jay z obviously has a very huge impact on the music industry hip hop lots of culture in many different genres of business. So I'm just curious. What what you guys have personally taken away from the music industry that you got to put in play in your own businesses? The music industry I think that the the smart people understand in the music industry and I I worked in the music industry for about four years. This smart people understand that probably the most of a valuable thing that that America can export around the world has been born in the music industry in the last twenty years and that's urban slash ask hip hop culture and just like a product. There's a value to that right. There's a there's a price connected to that and we've created it and if you go to any corner of the world cool is connected to American hip hip hop culture. So I think it's the ones that understand that they're not just making music they're participating in this thing that the world deems as cool so they have clout everywhere they go any corner of the world they go and if they're a part of like urban American hip hop culture. They're not only accepted but they probably can sell tickets. They probably make money. It's not just about you know getting a million downloads on soundcloud is about understanding. Like if you are an artist and you fit in that genre you are part of what I believe to be America's most valuable export globally because there is no doubt if you look at you know especially countries like Asia Asia Europe. There is no doubt that everyone wants to represent American hip hop culture. So I think the impact is is global and. I think it's guys like Jay Z.. That understand it's not the music the music is a vehicle. It's the culture that the music created needed. Yeah what I what I love about. Jay Z is so interesting about Jay Z.. I was telling this trait of the day. I don't ever really get in my car and I think I'm about to throw on some Jay Z. I just don't write but I I love Jay Z.. I saw him in concert two or three times one time in a small venue. On the blueprint one. MM Tour like maybe a thousand people at the Newport. Two thousand people like literally I was like at a club and Jay Z was performance hits. It was unbelievable and but he represents percents that stoic businessman that lived all of the hip hop culture from the projects wrapped about it. You know lived as a practitioner now as a businessman like and then how he helped to meet male. Get Out of jail. How he helped thing I think he helped Wayne with a bunch of stuff? He's helped so many people with his impact in dollars. A lot of people don't even know he just has helped push forward in. He understands understands the the the role that it plays in the culture and in the US. John's point so Jay z's interesting for me so fifty years old with that man's accomplished Bush is unbelievable because he really was. You know I grew up in graduate high school in the late nineties. So everything was talking biggie. And he was Kinda like right after those. This guy's really and so you know he didn't have a heavy like impact on me like in that in that age group which is where I probably was most impacted by the music but watching watching his business in the way that he's done it he's not allowed cat he's actually super low key about his business and so I respect the hell out of it and unjust hip hop is just honestly shaped me so much like being a kid from a trailer in the country for some reason. Even though I wasn't in the hood I'd I there's hardly any diversity of where I'm from. I never identified with country music. I only identified with hip hop and it was because those you guys were speaking about the come up and I wanted to come up so bad and I wanted to change my situation and watching those things things and even though I couldn't identify all the way with it. Poverty poverty struggle a struggle and for some reason it just made sense to me and so I think that's why my whole life of had this kind of feel to me and it just felt natural because I could identify what they were talking about and I started to realize at a young age once I came to the city that Yo oh this is normal in big metropolis. I don't stick out like a sore thumb. Oh wait a second pox. Big Everywhere biggies big everywhere. Jay Z's big like nick this is an international thing like it felt so weird to me for me to be into this because of where I was from. I was an outcast but once I got around more the people I realized Shit. This is like this is what's really happening. So hip hop is had a massive impact on me Jay. Z's been a huge inspiration in really all of the hip hop culture of guys from Russell. Simmons the guys that are really about their business of impacted me severely and that's why I continue to follow it. Listen to it and you know. I'm usually usually like two years behind on the music now. 'cause I'm old but I'm still bowed at though you're you're yeah so it's it's evident hip hop clearly has a very huge impact on society. Ready but even with all these Kinda soundcloud rappers and stuff like that are are kind of just chasing the cloud like what kind of example and influence you like bad. Bad example and influence do you think that gives on like colonials for people my age for example. If you're talking about like soundcloud rappers which I'll be the first to admit like I don't know I know that scene as of you know a December twenty nineteen so I'm not completely up to date but I understand the gist of coming up on on soundcloud. Kinda gives off just the whole kind of social media vibrate. It's like everyone can see. How many plays you have you know it's like It's like a popularity contest. The question is and this you know going back to Jay. Z is great. You got a ten million plays great ten million replace. What have you done with it? What what infrastructure have you built around that hub? You leverage those ten million plays to open up for for a big rap act. How how have you used that or are you just obsessed with the fact that you can get you know the rush of putting out a new song and getting a million plays two million plays? Is that your thing or are you trying to leverage monetize aggressively. Are you putting people in in place to help you grow those listens into a tour. You know what I'm saying so I think a lot of people put shit out and they can be successful on soundcloud. They do not put infrastructure in place to monetize because they're caught up in the popularity contest and the ones that do Build a name and then you know a a lot of them have gone on to a few success yet. It's really similar to social media johnny. You're right I think. Look at a guy like chance the rapper. He's like really the one that I think showcase that I could win a grammy Eh. I never had a record deal could monetize it with shows of Monty with year. And then you've got other guys like you said that really don't they get a million plays but they don't really have anything wrapped around it so I just think that there's a lot of Tattoo faced kind of guys that probably don't belong and then you've got guys like chance. The rapper or Russ or some other guys that have had a name right. Dr Ross ahead. A lot of success asked that that do tours and probably make half million to seven fifty a show in made a real career. You're out because that was the avenue they took so I love that. There's you know you. I love the fact that chance a wrapper could go get a grammy and not have a record record deal like that shit to me is like blazing a new path right but it also opens up some opportunities for guys like six nine and some of these other idiots out here So it's an interesting time. We live in for multiple reasons but music is one of do for sure absolutely though what you guys is opinion on people that like like buy and sell these courses online that can make you supposedly X. amount of money and X.. Amount of time I think depends. I mean I think you know immediately Louis like I think of a guy like Kylo. WHO's the biggest fucking the biggest fucking Moron I've ever heard speak in my life? You know I it's just frustrating because Having an audience like we do and he has a way bigger audience because he spent so much fucking money to buy it but having an audience audience. You GotTa understand when you when you have people that like put their trust in you and listen to you. That's like a sacred deal. That's like a sacred bond like people are looking to you for some kind of guidance and I take that extremely seriously but pimps like him they just say okay. I I got these people. Now how can I get as much money as humanly grant Cardona. He's a pimp. He's a fucking pimp. He that's all is. He's a fucking pimp and He spends a lot of money and listen. He makes a lot of money. I'm not GonNa Fuck and say the guy does not make money. But he's a pimp. He puts out things is that young people can believe in because he's a good salesman and he empties their pockets to the highest extent and he puts on these fucking fucking cheerleading shows and arenas and listen he is successful. I am not hating on that. But what I'm saying is the people who are going to learn. These are people that are getting their pockets emptied and what they're getting in return. It's almost like a drug. You get like this hit of. I'm somebody for a day. If you go through a conference or you get this hit of. I'm somebody for weekend. If you're stupid enough to spend the money to go to a conference in fucking bring your pompoms out and cheer to fucking grand cartoon but yeah these guys are these guys are pimps. Now there are. There are guys out there that I do believe how people like. I believe someone one like you know. A lot of people don't like them. I believe someone like Tony Robbins. Who's been doing this for a long time? I'm not I'm not familiar with his business acumen. I know he is successful. But I'm familiar with Louis. Like self-development Shit. He's been doing it forever. And he's legit a has had his prices gone up. Yeah but like he's legit. He's helped a lot of people that's a fact. But these guys like Kylo Pez who can't even talk or walk in there fuck and and their pimps. Yeah when you're just showing your lambeau off in your garage beside your book your bookcase on a Youtube video. Although I mean you need punched in fucking face first off at that I couldn't believe he's like oh you see these Lambeau I'll wait but there's books over were there. I read those books all the time. Shut the fuck off to your Horn Horn these kids out because they want the fast money is John. And I've talked about this for years like I would love to have You know we'd love to have sales courtroom John from all experience and you know some type of content thing for myself and we're working on things like that they can bring real value. Oh you that are reasonably priced. So look there's a capitalist opportunity in actual real time information out there and we're going to partake in that that but I just think like anything else yet guys I grant entire making a bunch of money but the at the expense of I think a lot of empty promises. That's just the way that my perception is has and it's not like hey listen. There could be a lot of guys that hate on those two dudes like John and I have made plenty of money in our day of built plenty of businesses. So it's not because we Haven't done well so it's more about the perception or the what we're seeing from guys like that and you don't even really here is really even talk about anybody right. Those are just the examples. Because they're probably on your fucking feeds. Spend money all the time. Yes but I think that there is guys like Tony Robbins. I'm sure there's a handful of other guys out there. Excuse me cows that have real time reasonable great courses. Listen Gary V's smart Gary Gary Smart as he get annoying wing of course he does he the you know. I don't know what it is. He gets annoying but he's smart. I'm I will never deny the fact that the guy pays such close attention to how the world's world's moving and he has great insight. He has original ideas he is smart Guy Lopez in Grand Cardona. It's a whole different deal with them. They're the ric flair in the nineteen eighties. Limousines in the planes and the bullshit. But they're not showing you how to get there. You know what I'm saying. And so that's the difference. Yes so just beware that kind of stuff. Everybody wants things fast. John and I are telling you what really has to go down out there in the streets. It's in like I said a lot of people don't want sign up for that long game but you know get the proper information applied in a consistent fashion. That's really how you get there. Everybody back drake right new as a growing up. What were some family traditions? That you guys noticed that like for example like your mom or dad might do like where they spend money on something very specifically Lee but for example it just didn't really ever work out for them in the future and you kind of learn from it and you took away from it that that's something that you knew that when you are ordering you had the money in your hand that something that you never do yeah absolutely my Dad. Fantastic fantastic salesperson. My Dad is a fantastic salesperson. It's probably because he's acting most of the time because he's the opposite of of truthful but he's a great salesperson but every time he would go into an entrepreneurial venture he would lead with emotion he would lead with thoughts you know delusions of grandeur after a few will you know riches and making it big and you know not not the process not not build slow and grow you know it was this could go public or we could it and he would fail at entrepreneurial ventures because it was rooted in emotion. It was rooted in a vision that he could fee wasn't rooted in what was going on right in front of him. And assessing assessing market needs and customers and all that stuff so is like okay. You know I'm GonNa do real well and make this money and sales and then I'm gonNA open this business summa build homes or I'm going to have pizza place all this stuff but the followthrough wasn't there because it was built on emotion you cannot build business. I don't I don't care who the fuck you're on. Emotion it has to be built on objective thought data analytics and research and a lot of repetition. Yeah whilst Johnny My my thing is I just watched my old man. Spend a bunch of money on the lottery artery with the same different kind of hopes and dreams of a fantasy land type. Shit get a I remember as a kid is getting everybody. Oh you know you're you're like eleven twelve years old or actually probably eight or nine years old like getting excited for the pick four. 'cause you think that's about the change situation like get the fuck Outta here like the amount of the money and I remember. He had this book right like a true gambling degenerate. He had a book he was like in nineteen eighty six. I one thirty two thousand. I'm still up from that motherfucker. You Ain't still up from that. What I'm saying? You One thousand nine hundred eighty six you to put that thirty two grand in fucking Pfizer and got dividends paid for the next fuck in thirty years. I probably be a wealthy ass cat. You know what I'm saying like from from something passed down it. Just the financial like non nut no disciplined financially not pursuing a better financial. I Q that was just all of what was happening happen and especially for my old man and he wised up a little bit before he passed away a little bit of a savings and he was far as I know he didn't spend on it like like you had when I was a kid but I remember specifically Johnny My parents having like a big time fight not like an abusive like hitting each other but where it was like you know close to that in my mom ripped this jor out of out of the dresser and it was fully tickets bro. I mean the ones that you play. They print off. I'm talking like thousands of them Bro and addiction. You know I remember as a kid thinking Holy Shit. The heat ain't on right now. Though my old man got ten thousand fucking lottery tickets like I just made a pact with myself like fucker. I'm putting in the work the I'm GonNa hit the lottery but because I know what the fuck in what I want to do with myself and I'm going to go fucking get it. That's my lottery. Not Some fucking hope and wishing dream. It's never gonNA come true like that's like such a poor broke way. Too fucking thing it makes me keeps them broke on it keeps you broke for generations and and that's just makes me so mad and I understand that one. You can't pick your parents and you can't you know push they can't have the drive that you got right because you're a different a person I get that so I can't expect the mile man should act like me because I had to go through those through those things to be me. That's why I would never change it. So my impact impact can be different in. My family can be different but at the end of the day. You think like motherfucker. Did you think of like one thing. Try to make like the situation differ. It just boggles my mind. I can't even identify as can you. I'm sure with your thought process but I just want to. Hey Johnny would I hate is outside of of you know our DADS or whatever it's talking to people and talking about let's say you care for you may be aware of and they say oh well you know. He's like that because he had it rough she like. I cannot understand why people make AAC excuses for others when we all have to be responsible for our actions. So you're talking about you know a lottery. Tickets that keeps families broke for generations rations right but like nobody. If let's say back in the day someone in your family said man he's gotTa stop with the lottery like what I've seen at least from my side my my family and people I'm around. Is they make excuses for people. Well you know. He had it rough so he thinks the lottery. You know just just just let him be him like fuck fuck that that doesn't make any sense. Everyone has to be responsible for themselves. I'm not saying we as individuals should try to change people but I truly don't understand people who say they care about someone and readily accept huge inconsistencies and in problems with that individual. If you cared about someone wouldn't you walk right up to him and say hey. I ain't trying to change you. I just WanNa talk about this. I don't understand. Adult hoped making excuses for adults. If they say they care about them doesn't make sense to me because they don't want to face it John or because it's it's confrontation that you know. Oh it just so fucked up road I think about it because the priorities of that dream instead of applying at something that actually can turn into something just never will it makes sense to me but once again. That's why we're us now though question so speaking of excuses. What's the best? Excuse that you guys have heard for someone not showing up to work or not doing what you guys ask them do i. I really don't to me. Excuses are absolute salute in utter disrespect. Like I you know when I hear a good excuse. I can't even. My brain does not function in a way where I can process that I cannot process what a good excuses in excuses. Somebody looking at me or calling me or or or even worse texting me right and showing the the most disrespect humanly possible to try to make me think something that is not real. They're trying to deceive me so they can get what they want to me. Excuses are a great way to stay at the bottom see. Here's the thing I I don't need to make excuses because I don't answer to anybody and I don't answer to anybody because I don't make excuses. That's why I don't answer to anybody. I'll see my life is my life so I don't. I don't need to make excuses so if you're sitting there thinking of excuses you're answering somebody. Okay you got you got places places to go my friend so so maybe you should think about why you're answering to somebody the reason you're answering to someone is because you're a fucking excuse maker that's that's all you are and you'll be making excuses to the day you fucking die until you realize that those excuses are what keep you down because people who are above you know. They're bullshit Oh shit their bullshit so there's no good excuse. That should better hit the Graham. trae right there. That whole that whole sequence. Hey it's so funny as Jonah. When people hit me with excuses first off I never know how to really react is I give them like that blank? Stare like like. Did you just really really say that to me. Plus I realized a long time ago that if you do Fox something up if you just own up to it everybody just moves on after that. Maybe you got to clean up some shit like if I forget something it's easier to say. Fuck Johnny that's me. I forgot that I'll I'll do it right now or like me. Tell John all well. You know what my a kid had baseball practice. That's not it doesn't work. You know people think that that's okay. It's not okay if you had something you're supposed to do in people mess up all the time. That's what I'm saying like I. I think it's okay for people to own up to stuff. I had some huge things. I've fucked up in the past and it was just easier to stand up in the border. Say That's on me but you know what I did these other nine and things. Well I fucked this one up we just move on from it. I mean I think people are scared to just say my bad and they they think an excuse like covers it up like a wise man once said at the office when you when you drop a big load in the bathroom spray for breeze that it's just shit with WHO says you train. That's amazing. Yeah said that someone didn't fucking plunged the damn toyland offense discussion came in Cisco Toilet and they raise breeze trying cut order line abusive the Puerto and abusive ours. So when you guys look at the core differences between a professional and amateur besides the timing time inexperienced put in what what are some traits. You guys notice a consistency always. It's like a professional. No understands that there isn't off time. Share there's technically off time if you're not present at work but you're never off. A professionals always on a professional is always ready to deal with an issue a professional oh has no out of bounds time professional is always willing to answer the call of duty for whatever it is they are a professional and amateur amateur watches. The clock in amateur takes weekends off in an amateur justifies in their mind. Why that's okay so they believe it's okay to take weekends off A? I answer my phone on Monday morning and I cut it off at six PM on on Friday. That's an amateur mindset and can you get by sure you can get by but you're just going to have a certain level. There's a certain cap. There's a certain place you'll get to Appro is game the fuck on because a pro understands that the world doesn't stop so if the world doesn't stop and your customers don't stop stop and people don't stop and your business doesn't stop. How the fuck are you gonNA? You can't you can't so appro accepts that in amateur sure makes excuses as to why they shouldn't accept it because it's not convenient for them. Yeah I think it's like anything else like you said John Consistency and in what Lens are you looking through. Are you looking through the lens of. Let me try to get by. Let me just try to make my bills. Let me just try gotta get the fuck and happy hour on Thursday. Let me see what clever going through on Friday. Let me see if I can watch college football day Saturday all day Sunday and then fuck it. I hate going one to work on Monday. Or you look through the lens like a move up. I'm going to get my craft together on the work on this. Yeah you know what I am going to enjoy myself. Maybe a little bit on this there that David. I'm also going to make sure I read our on each day or listen to a podcast or try to make myself better a look for opportunities in the marketplace or see away. Yeah I can add value like I just think there's two different ways I talked. I talked with my young dudes all the time. That around me like there's a couple of different ways to live this life. There's literally two different ways. Look at it. There's that always pursuit to get better in. Hone what you do and push for to make progress and that mediocre fucking. I'm just cool with this I'm just GONNA do enough to get by like for some reason to me. There's really a kind of all or nothing type account anyway. There's not a really lot inbetween. I Yeah I don't know that there's a lot of like wieners. I think you either push or you don't push and I just think this is harder. What's happening out here? I think a lot of people that are in the not push which category like to complain and I think a lot of people in the push category. You don't really hear from because they're working and they're working on getting better. That's why like meek mill says gangsters move in silence and I'll talk a lot. I mean that's the fucking truth like you don't hear John I hear Talkin and Yup and all over the place because he spoke in working because he's building you know companies that are doing millions of dollars. We get a chance to talk right here to impact y'all into give you know give back but at the end of the day were put or working. I mean and that's that's kind of what it is and we're not. I hear complaining so I just think like figure out which one you kind of fall in right now and try to make sure that you know if you really want to be on the flip side and you're on the side of you know a lot of complaining a lot of victim type talk you know you've got to change that mindset and really look at we'll hey hey what are my daily habits contributing to right now. That's why your results are what they are so dude dude so earlier this year as a podcast topic. We touched touched on the topic of parents putting the strain on their kids about sports how they have to be successful in sports and I kind of always lives up to. The parents. Didn't get to live out out there. Sport Dreams that they wouldn't put it on their kids so one one thing I'm noticing. Social Media's will braun has been putting a lot of pressure on his son brought he's been put him on blast on social media hype. been a mob and all that kind of stuff and the kids only freshmen in highschool though. What's your perspective on that John I think it's awful. I think it's a AH. It's a sign of immaturity. I think it's a sign of selfishness because clearly what he's doing is he's you know crowning his son if you will and using his enormous platform to let the world know what's going on with his kid but he's not really thinking about his kid because I highly doubt any kid especially a child of one of the greatest of all all times wants to be pressured in wants to be looked at when they're just learning the sure they're going to assure he's going GonNa be good okay he comes from bloodline of you know insane skill. But he's thinking about himself. He's not thinking about his kid and I think that is a common thing with parents. You know pushing their children to do things that they don't want to do here. I can tell you this. Listen I've said before in the show and I'm not. I'm not comparing myself at all Lebron situation but I was. I was good at football when I was young and I chose not to to play football now because I didn't like it because my dad loved it and my dad always talked about it and he always told me how much he loved it. Indebted edited and my young mind. My teenage mind which was immature but my teenage mind that pushed me away from fifth plan football. So if you can connect that with what's going on in this hyper insane society with parents wanting their kids to be you know pro athletes and edited it. you take okay basketball football baseball soccer. Whatever these things are games they are games? Let let kids play games. Don't keep their stats. If they keep their stats awesome awesome. That's great don't keep their fucking stats. Let kids be kids. Let kids enjoy a game. The odds of them being pros are less than fucking point. Zero zero one percent lecture children enjoy being children. Have enough pressure. You know they're deprogrammed enough. And that's the whole fucking problem. Here's parents know. They're they're fucking kids batting average parents know how many fucking rebounds our kids fucking average when they're nine years. Do get the fuck Outta here. It's a game. Just support your kid. You know what I'm saying. Then he might actually or she might actually enjoy it and then if they go on and become something then they go you wanna become something. They don't go on and become something because dad pushed him into it or mom pushed him into it. I I think it's all a fucking mess. Yeah as we're talking about this Before we got on sportscenter just posted on Instagram A law that brawny got in his high school game as a freshman and ED. It's I just wonder like does Lebron. I know Lebron said he would like to stay in the league long enough for his kid be in the League at the same same time which is like some Ken Griffey Junior Shit Right which is interesting but I just wonder like I. I remember hearing Michael Jordan. Talk about this at his Basketball Hall of fame speech. He said look you know. He thanked his kids. Brother subordinate like I wouldn't want it'd be hard to be you guys I mean that's hey you know that's like A. That's a little bit of a weird thing to say. But he was just like look the expectation both guys played ball like he was. You could tell he kind kind of felt bad because he knows who of course they can't live up to it like no nobody can. Nobody can and I remember his one kid played at the University of Illinois and he was like a six man and he was a good ball division one but hey MJ. So I have a hard time. Believing does the Lebron really thing that Ronnie can be. Be Him Man. I just think that's like a little bit far all answer. I answered factually. No it's impossible. It's impossible yep I agree because think about it. Lebron is a once in a judge couple generation type of maybe one of the best. He's like Jim Brown. Do date these guys. Don't come around very often same as Mj. So it's like I just think that's why today's social media brawny looks like he's handling it pretty well but but we don't know what goes on behind closed doors through we don't know what it's doing to him emotionally. We don't we don't know if that that dude scores thirty points a game and gets ten rebounds in his mind. Maybe that's a shit game because he's Lebron son. What dude you that pressure would be real? Oh boy that'd be that'd be real so I'd say that's a good thought though and look everybody that's listening parents man. Be careful about that. It's you know I I really don't put my kids on social media ever like I. I need them to have their own shit that they do. You know what I'm saying like it just never like I'm if it's like their birthday or something like `I'm cooled on something. What might that like my daughter's birthday today and I was like Yo Yo vad you all may do a birthday tick tock? I was actually kidding. She was like yeah. I'm good dad. I was like all alright. Cool your this trump impeachment talk just eating out more and more so much. How much time is being waste on the media on on this John D think? Oh It's you know it's it's crazy. We live in a crazy society we live. We live in a crazy society. Heidi and again I blame. I blame both sides. I blame both sides so I'll try to try to keep this as simple as possible. People who are a trump supporters okay. The guy does things that are not in line with the constitution period. It's it's fact okay. He he does but on the other side of the coin from the Democratic side. There's a Republican Senate Senate to impeach someone you have to pass it through Congress and then it's got to go through the Senate. Everybody knows it's not going to go through the Senate because because it's Republican controlled. Republicans support trump. So all this time all this focus all this. It's all or nothing. The man is not going to get impeached. It's it's not going to happen. It's political theater and here's the truth and here's where the Democrats are stupid people who are voting in this next election. They don't give a fuck about a phone call with Ukraine. They don't give a fuck about collusion they care about fuck in the economy jobs They care about the price at college. They care about health care. This is what people care about. They don't care about a president's phone call so so yes. Did he do some backward steps sure but the Democrats if you WANNA get this guy out you gotTa beat them at the ballot box period food. It's a waste of time a waste to energy and like John said is not going to happen so it is political theater. It's jamming up the newscast newscast. It's hindering probably the stuff that needs to be happening and I don't even fuck with politics that much but I can't even like give it no mind because I just know it ain't going to happen happen. It doesn't matter it like Jon said you know where I grew up. Well if workers don't care about this stuff they wanna make sure coal jobs or they're they want to make sure that the steel mill stays opened. They WanNa make sure that the economy is good like they wanna make sure that gas doesn't go to four dollars lake That this is a this is a a bunch of rich bucking Washington. DC motherfuckers that are out of touch with what real people need crevice. And I've been in the city Eddie and been in business for myself for almost twenty years and I know I feel out of touch when I go home sometimes. Insert to get like talk to my friends. That are you know working traditional nine to five and the stuff that they're dealing with and stuff that they're looking at like on losing if you're sitting in fucking Washington. DC Senator for twenty years motherfucker. You don't know what's going on out the BOB'll get out of the bubble bobble in my own bubble that I've created and I get checked sometimes on not disrespectfully. But I'll just on accident because I don't surfaced about some of these things because my life. These mother fuckers. Are you kidding me. The Wondu as Tweeden about how he could live on eighty a year or some shit like he needed a raised he said the senator some shit like not that long these dudes onto what's going on this shit. Ain't anybody anywhere that read some dude in Washington who sits sounds thrown. I can't live on three hundred a year. stowe ought to touch so bad. I don't know what the average was like that. It's sure stupid stupid and people say oh well how are we going to win at the ballot box. You know Russia's involved in the elections and all this stuff at the end of the day Eh. Whatever's happening is happening? Everyone can assess the playing field. You want you want to be in control win at the ballot box win over people go talk the people stop fucking going to CNN and Fox News and Msnbc go out and talk to the people go out and talk to. That's how you win. Were all right. Should we wrap it up. Johnny Fosko there are some some really like the last couple of shows. Were Super Cool You know I think one back kind of digging in in our childhood with some of that stuff's interesting mixed with these current events. John like I'm I don't know about you but I'm just having a fucking blast on the new. Yeah I WANNA give a shoutout without. I one thing I've been struggling with. I was nuts struggling with his wrong way to put it. But I haven't seen a good movie in a long time and there is the best movie on Netflix. That Martin Scorsese just did with fucking de Niro Pacino. Yes it is it is it is amazing. It's an amazing movie. And for dudes who are two and Gals who are too young to have seen goodfellas casino. So Scorsese came out a couple months ago and he said you know what Man Buck in iron man all these superhero movies movies. They're bullshit they're not fucking movies ERC explosions and what I love is every all the studio. 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You know what I'm saying to this day people don't know were Jimmy. HOFFA's body is they say it's buried under the meadowlands tied in and made you understand the Kennedys and how they got there and with re it it is. It's fucking it's an amazing him. And if you realize that the Kennedys made their money from bootlegging and some mob shit and then when the young kids started going after absolutely the guys that actually. She helped their their family. Make the money it's like. They forgot where they came from and then they got whacked and then look what happened. That's why they've all been. It's it's fucking crazy but yeah that's that's a good. That's that's that's definitely a good movie Makes you guys like an subscribe and tell all your friends about business and biceps. We are top ten and entrepreneurship ship on Itunes. We appreciate you guys share in You know with your friends and family go to ask him biceps on Instagram Let us here. You know any topics you guys WANNA. 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Bonus: #SurvivingSociety feat Jade, Michelle Hope, Jamilah Lemieux

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Bonus: #SurvivingSociety feat Jade, Michelle Hope, Jamilah Lemieux

"Hello everyone. Welcome this episode before we get started. I do want to say we'll be triggering to some of you. Whether anything has happened to you or someone, you know, we will be discussing things relating to sexual abuse, physical abuse and kind of just accountability as we see today as you guys know, we just witnessed surviving R Kelly which was a docu series six part on lifetime where we kind of got some view the life of a predator. And we listened to victims stories we listen to people who were there. I do want to preface by also saying that this episode will not be an entire recount of that docu series surviving R Kelly, but I want to say that this is going to be more, so surviving society. There was a lot of larger picture items that were brought to us. Us in that documentary, and whether you were on Instagram social media group chats with your friends phone calls about this after the fact, you know, that all of the things that got brought to light where things that we deal with in our families with our friends at school at work and definitely things that. We all have to come to face as a generation as a society as a community as a family as a village, and it's going to be up to us to not only start the conversation. But also to go ahead and see where we can make change. So I am sitting in this beautiful studio with some wonderful black strong women who have not only gone through some of the things that were mentioned in the documentary. But also with women who are trying to make change and trying to shift the narrative, and what we have been faced with over centuries at this point. So I guess at this point, let's go ahead and introduce who is sharing the mics with myself, and let's start off to the right? Who do I have? I'm Jay Jay divulge as online I am host of half hosts of getting grown half host of Jada next d mommy to Noah a wife to tristen a real negative. And across from me, we have high. So you're listening to your most unapologetic sexologist electorally get that out there because I don't believe I need to apologize for. What is right? Michelle hope. So I mean, the house I'm gonna give you some insight on education as I've been education for over twenty years been speaking on sex and sexuality for the past ten and I'm really really passionate about reproductive Justice. I think sometimes when people hear oh, you're a sex 'but. They think dick and pussy which I can do. I can't pop it. I can drop in. But what my passion really is is creating equity for women and girls of color. But in addition to that really looking at sexuality from a holistic perspective and understanding that as much as we need to teach our women and grow our women. We must do the same for our young men, and we have to really be looking out for everybody and really is going to be some tough conversations happening today. I feel like no absolute challenging the norms. Absolutely. We'll be joined a little. Later on with Jamila Lemieux. And I want her to introduce herself as she sees fit. As you guys know, the Susie girl, Mandy, I am one half co host of the horrible decisions podcasts. And so we focus on sexual abrasion as you guys know, but also just bringing these conversations that are needed in a healthy sexual environment. And so I wanted I guess to start off we can kinda say we did all watch the documentary. So do you guys want? Let's let's to abroad. Review of what we thought of the documentary before we touch into the specific topics that stemmed from from surviving R Kelly. So what was your immediate interaction? You did see a good amount of the six parts. So what was your what was your immediate reaction to that? The ghetto the ghetto was like not to make light of the documentary. But I I mean new like, we, you know, this is this is this has been a long time. This has been a long time coming. I remember when the when the tape drops I remember when it circulated. I remember when co workers would passing it around. I remember when high school students were passing it around. So like, I remember when the Eliya shit happened. I remember being a young girl. Talking to my mom like you'll my like, this is not this is not right. You knew it wasn't right. Oh, hell you fifteen in a grown, man. I was like married Mata. I don't sound rate. Like that's not right. So I remember all. Of that. But watching it in detail was the ghetto. And so I'm so glad that we we do we will have kind of a wide range of even ages between all of us because I was watching this. And when I'm seeing that these accounts were happening in ninety eight ninety nine two thousand I'm a millennial. Saw was ten eleven twelve maybe fourteen when the trial happened. So like watching this. I didn't have those emotional connections to seeing what was going on. I knew I was stepping in the name of love in middle school at the dances, remake twig. Nisshin all of that. I was I was here for our Kelly. Although we knew of I knew of the elite thing Leah died. I was in fifth grade. So those connections, and knowing what was really going on in the media didn't affect me as a fan of his growing up, nor nor did I really have the mental capacity to know what the fuck was going on. And how about you? What what were your thoughts? You knew. I hearing about it that I I was he was on the radio all the time. It was like the everything. But I can't honestly say when AJ nothing, but a number came out. I was in middle school, right? I'm dating myself. But I was like now I know what that's all about. And that is not rats. Not right new. I mean, right. I come from maybe a different background. My mom was really open taught me about sexuality learns about sexuality from very very young age. I experienced molestation at a young age and to be quite Frank with you like I knew at fourteen that what that song meant going down. I knew what going down ENA, but it dang met. This love that. I have for you. It will never change. Like, I knew that was already predatory. But here's the thing. It didn't really faze me. No, I was about dying. All right off the bat. I knew all that was creepy, and predatory will then, but I didn't know the gravity of what was happening behind closed doors. I think we all thought he's just a freaking nasty for it was a free girl. How was I remember because I was big into English in like all of that. And I was like you remind me he is speaking about women like nouns exactly just talked out Friday. You remind me of my Jeep. I wanna wax it something like my sound and object in inanimate object at that. Yes. He was telling us listen. I don't see nothing wrong with mom is telling me. No my body's telling me. Yes. And then was the inanimate object sound then was alita age ain't of the but a number like oh seeing he's documentary. It was just telling I was like we knew this. I was really frustrated, you know, why was frustrated because you touched on it before him when we were talking before we started. I was frustrated with myself, and I had to sit there and say go why when did I stop listening to our Kelly after I already knew his history. I'll say hi about it. I really love the song him and sparkle and it played. I can't remember where and I downloaded it some IT this had to have been maybe six months ago. And so to know that I too was still also supporting this man after knowing the things he did. And I'm gonna don't now I'm I'm approaching thirty. But. To know that I we had all inside of the world of what has been happening twenty seventeen the cult situation, which was episode five and six we all just revisited this in twenty seventeen and to know, he's still I hear touring. He's still I are having shows which I think is filthy. But I I I remember going to work. I remember when trapped in the closet drum. I remember when admission drop, I'm winning addition remix drop. I remember twelve play. I didn't have no business listening to it. But I did. But I remember going to work in on the morning show every morning trapped in the closet would drop a new a new a new chapter. So. And I would sit in my car and be like, I'm not the fuck getting out until I hear this ridiculous ash. It was so enter -taining away. And then I know there was a shift somewhere there. I was like I can't listen to this Nick as music, and he our, but I don't know where it was. I can tell you exactly what am I was. Twenty twelve trapped in the closet had come out. It was the independent film channel here in New York did all thirty three of them in one sitting he's it was beautiful art. And I know some people personally right who. Where a part of that product project, and we're very integral parts of that project. And they. I fell in love, and they have a beautiful family and we've been friends and I've known them for quite some time. So they said, hey, come check this out. They were not a part of our Kelly's camp they were just part of that production. I wanna make that very clear. So I went and then there was after party afterwards. Now me being the sexual researcher that I am I'm in thrall d-. I'm like this man for years. We've heard these rumors that he's into young women. He's you know, this that and other. And I was there was looking good. I was at the after party and one of his handlers came over to me and said, Mr Kelly would like to talk to you. How old were you then Twenty-nine? Okay. And now, I have lived a lot of life. I mentioned that to you. I mentioned that sees. So I'm twenty nine years old. I've already started studying psychology at already started studying sex research. I'd had already done my fair share of participatory research. And I felt like this was. A great opportunity just to talk to this, man. And why would he wanted to talk to me, I'm twenty nine year old woman, and this I think is interesting because it points out how anybody can be a victim. Yes. Not just about young women, and we chatted for a moment. He gave me his number. And then he started texting me, you know, I'm not thinking about it. This is not the first celebrity. It's hopefully, not going to be the last and. Then I got a text homeless said call me daddy, be at blue people delete group. Blue blue blue blue block, and I was like, oh, wow. And that was the idea have not listened to our Kelly music cents so him because it was just NAT really I had seen all these things happen throughout history. And then when it is the devil is staring you in your face. And you think it's not gonna happen to me. And as soon as I saw this at call me, daddy, I was done. He was about to start grooming. But I see I'm literally have like I get goose pimples thinking about that all star Chicago. There was also all star week in Chicago. My little sister went out there. And I think she was sixteen and she called me, and my mom, and she was like our I'm standing next to our Kelly. My mother said move now exactly move immediately walk away. And I was like this ain't no game. Now, he didn't try to talk to nothing that person. But it's interesting. I had experience. It wasn't. No, call me. Daddy in wasn't definite. Wasn't that Nicole? But I I met I got backstage at a Kanye west concert. When I was eighteen got myself backstage ironically enough at the door, they checked everybody's ID's in said verbatim. We don't want. No R Kelly stuff, but I'm eighteen right? So that's where this fine line. We have that conversation. Right. And it's crazy because I have a friend now who is currently dealing with our Kelly, and so I- text her in our group chat. And I was like what are your thoughts about this because we actually had a group chat conversation and all the colty stuff came out. And it it really it really really really really hurts my soul. Her response was blaming the parents and blaming the other girls knowing what they were doing. So this conversation that we're now having because she too is sticking up for him just posted the king. Arm be. Oh, and so am I don't view her as a week woman doesn't I know? I know. And so to know that I do have a friend, and she is a very close friend of mine who she goes. She flies out Chicago. She's they wanted to go. She goes through shows. She is grown. She is over thirty. But when we tried to have this conversation with her about what's going on. She definitely pointed the fingers around him and not at him. And so seeing where her response was. I did go ahead and just kinda shy away from the conversation. I'm going to let it fall down a little she hasn't seen all of the documentary yet. But she did say that she does wanna talk about it. And so I will say knowing that you haven't experience when someone close has been around him. Although this is a celebrity, and we're looking at him as this guide or or why he can't be touched or you would be surprised how accessible. This man has been over these generations as we saw in the documentary. He met a woman outside of his trial. Hello. No. But I think that I think that right? There is a great segue to get us off our Kelly recognize that there is an arcade Ellie in every fucking neighborhood. Yes. Nation home through the end the lottery times in every household. So I wanna start off as you guys know they started off the documentary with discussing his childhood the fact that he was abused. And so I do want to start off with more. So the adolescence and teenage phases where we stand at that time how we're viewed at that time, but I wanna get into something that I think is very important. And and saying that a lot of men, unfortunately, do not know that they have been abused or do not come forward when they have been abused. I will say if I have ten men in my phone at least eight of them have opened up about being sexually abused as children. And this has come in the form of either being touched by other men, but more so the babysitter the moms friend, the older woman in the family. They all lost their virginity to older women, and because of how we view sexuality when it comes to men data and look at it as they were being molested. Or rates or abuse? They looked at it. Like, I'm the man I lost my manhood by an older woman. And I don't think that that's a narrative that should continue. I guess do you want to go into some of what you have experienced being ten years in an abuse and working with children. What you see is coming about from why men respond this way. Well, I think that in my professional experience what I have seen is gender. When we think about sexuality, we think about gender and gender is a construct gender. We have associated with biologically assigned sex, but gender is a construct and the longer that we continue to separate genders, and and really establish rigid ideals around what makes a man, and what makes a woman instead of looking at us as humans right humans have needs. They need to be loved. They need to feel. Like, they are appreciated. They are cared for they need shelter. They need food. They need water. This is a human thing. But oftentimes we use gender to oppress the social construct of gender is really rooted in oppression. So if a man can say he's over a woman, he then can oppress her and rain power over her. So we men don't want to have their manhood removed because then that makes them feel as though they have lost some type of socio power when it comes to communities of color men of color are already on a lower ring. We think about the matrix of oppression, right? Who is at the top white men. So when we think of men of color, they're down a pig. So for them and they're often trying to prove their manhood. Yes, they in an oppressive environment in an environment that just oppresses them for being who they are as men and does not allow them for fear of being. Advantage of to show weakness. So by admitting you've been sexually assaulted admits that you have had someone take away power from you in the most rawest part of humanity. Sex the part of humanity that connects all of us sex. So if a man has something from his sexual prowess or sexual power taken from him society will really shame him. So instead of allowing a man to process pain to have a safe space to say this happened to me, we say you better buck up because that's not what a man does. And then we start that programming. You know, we talk about how the police oftentimes age up our men we did that before they did we do it all the time. Stop stop crying man up. That is setting the base for toxic masculinity. Okay. A healthy man can cry because they healthy human has feelings. We have to separate if a woman didn't cry. We'd be like she's fucked up and Princess, but if men don't cry we say, oh, he's Manley. That is a sick idea of human connection because we cannot truly have empathy. If we cannot feel if you cannot feel pain, you cannot understand the pain you are putting on someone else. If you tell them eleven year old boy, you weren't raped. You became a man how then do you expect him to understand it twenty one when he raped another woman, right? No, no, no grog. You didn't get rate. You got lucky because I'm the shit. I'm the man, and we have to get away from these ideals because it just further divides us, I agree. And it's crazy because if you sit here and think of what you were just saying the man up toughen up don't cry, you know. At these young ages from five to ten you're sitting here. Grooming, a little boy to be a man v. N so imagine if they're being taught those things they're not gonna come forward about their power because now they're trying to prove to their parents. They're trying to prove to their ankles. I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man, which is why even with Terry crews situation him coming out seeing the response from other men that there was an Whitman. Oh, yes and women. No. It is it is ten and I don't want to make this episode. Even I know we do have a lot of men that listen, I don't want this or for you guys to think that we are man bashing. There is a count ability that also needs to be taken with his. Amanda. Yes. Or no. It could come off that way when we start to talk about rape and abuse than we don't want it to as women. I do want to say that there is a shared part that we have to do as parents teaching the young girls the same way, we do our boys. Well, I think it's teaching our boys the same way we do. I think it's language is really important in this conversation. So if you catch me at some point backing up because I misspoke, I want to be very very very careful with language, and we'll talk about that a little bit later. I think because I want to later on when to me gets here. I want to talk about the word a pedophile because that is not exactly what we're seeing with our Kellyanne. I want to give you guys the definition. Well, we're we're discussing children right now. And I guess if we're going to head to file is under twelve so let's discuss the terms I would like to do that. Now since what we're going to be doing for the next like fifteen or twenty minutes or so is definitely digging into the psychology of children how we view children are expectations of children. Yeah. And so. What if a pedophile is a repu- Bessant someone who is attracted or deals with someone under the age of twelve. Yes. What would be considered someone who deals with individuals older than the? Okay. So there's three kind of phases. Right. So there's pedophile. Hep. Oh, this I'm I'm gonna struggle with this. So you might have to retake this her buffet Herber foul. Yes. Which is H E B P H I A L. One. Yeah. As I have a foul. And then there is a there is an e Philip Philip fight an e. We're going to retake that bug guts. So the the ages are a pre pupa sent is a pedophile. Then the second one is reaching into Adelaide scence. So you're just kind of approach so you like eleven to fourteen eleven to fourteen then passed one is like fifteen to nineteen. And that is a e Philip fight. I'm gonna but the reason I wanna pay attention to that is fifteen to nineteen. We put those women in magazines all the time. Yes, we use those marketing magazine, and and and or or Kylie Jenner or some of these girls who end up Victoria's Secret models or bikini models. These women are fifteen to nineteen years old and to be quite Frank. When you look at what our Kelly did they were not pre Pugh Bessant girls. Okay. They were that age. He's he's like a borderline between the two and like the twelve thirteen. Eighteen that's right at Pugh Besson's all the way to like nineteen when he was caught saying when you're talking about teenagers. How old you talking which a lot of people thought was really fucked up. And it was a fucked up thing to say, that's what we are thinking about how our society glorifies youth and beauty now let's talk about being humans, and let's talk about animalistic, and let's talk about Egypt and the the back in the day. It's because you are most fertile from like fifteen to twenty five that was the marrying a fat yet. And you have to look at a lot of countries. Now. That's what I'm saying. Well, yeah, they're tying that to fertility and reproduction tying that to the most basic like lowest level of human what we are trying to do right now is that a very high thinking level humans are savages. They're all we wanna do is keep our species going and so- inertly. There's this thing we've market young women. We sell the ideas of young women think about the runways the outfits, and this is not blaming the woman. I am talking about society. So when you sat here and said, this is not about blaming the woman you are on Twitter, very actively the same way. Like, I was and so one thing that I saw a lot of men points out. And if we want to bring this back into maybe the accountability of women or teenagers. If you can even hold them accountable would be the girls in the club twenty one clubs. But what the fake ID's the girls lying about their age the girls going to maybe college parties while they're in high school, and I will say here in admit, I did all all three of all four. I was talking to mend that I probably shouldn't have I was in the club with fake ID's. I was going to college parties as a high schooler underage. I was talking to grown men thinking I was cool 'cause they had card and then they have their own apartments while I was in high school. And that's where that's where the conversation starts where we have to talk to talk to our young girls in our young boys are young boys in our young girls. Very early about what's appropriate, and what's not appropriate. Right. So when you start saying grain some of those things in them, so that they're conscious can cause my mom was like wild. Like, I wasn't the way you said, your your your mom was very open and so forth. My mother was the opposite. Okay. She was very graphic in the sense where she would be like, yo if anybody ever tries to get you in their car, don't you ever go in their car the things. That they're gonna do to you after they take you away. You're going to be much worse than them shooting you on about like Yoshi was wild with it. And it came from pace of trauma. I I believe you know, what I'm saying. In case she ever opened up to you about anything. Never. Okay. I know what I'm saying sad. Thanks times. I wish we would. Yeah. But she didn't. And it perpetuates a cycle of not opening question. You you you started by saying that you're a wife? You're a mother have you experienced any sort of sexual trauma. I have I was Melissa at a young age. Okay. And then sexually assaulted as an adult and also. It's it's just it's that's why those these conversations it's so interesting to see people's commentary like she's a fast little girl. You know what I'm saying? That's where I was getting at with that conversation. But then we'll have when we're young. We're always trying to be older. We'll do we do silly shit in the name of like trying to be mature. But that is actually a part of the out of that is part of that. Exactly. It's so crazy that some we are a perfect storm of opportunity when you end up with someone a predator. Yes. Whether R Kelly or a family member sewer anyone a teacher anyone anybody because in adolescence pre pupa since and adolescence you have so many things going on your hormones are raging. You're having all these feelings. You cannot explain your brain. Actually, the adolescent brain takes eighty seconds to. Recognize it's made a bad decision. And we were to sit here for eighty seconds. I do this exercise in my classes. I sit in silence learner, eighty seconds. And I say how many other bad decisions can you make in eighty eight seconds 'cause they just start compiling. And I think that you know, we have to really as parents we have to really educate ourselves on how out lessons works because there's a reason for the rebellion. There's a reason for the it's never going to happen to me. I wanna talk about that for sure it's it's their development. And parents think I don't wanna talk to soon. Guess when too soon is never how 'bout I teach. I also do a parenting class for zero to three early child's early sexual development and children. You should start building body atonomy before that child can speak because language is important. We know statistically black children. Go into kindergarten fifty thousand. Words less than their white counterparts on average. But guess what that means? That means that we are missing out on opportunities to create body atonomy in them in some of those fifty thousand words, they don't have no bottom vagina. It's not a huge often. It's not paying cupcake not a baby. And we and I teach my daughter, and we could talk about this more when Jamila joins us because she also has a daughter this age, but I teach we teach our daughter very much have taught her very early about privacy. Yes about people not if you don't want to be touched if you don't wanna be hugged. The you don't have to be heard, right. You're you're more than welcome to tell this person. I don't want to be touched. I like that. Well, we're going to go ahead. We're gonna take a break. And when we get back. We will have to me lem you joining us. So we'll be right back. Hi, guys. We are back, and we are plus one we are now joined with Jimmy Lilla MU. And I don't think I could do Justice of saying everything that you do. So please let everyone know what it is that you do, you know, it's funny. That's how my family feels to. They like your job. A lot of jobs. I'm a cultural critic and writer as an editor at ebony magazine for many years, and then I was over interactive one as a programming VP. And now, I'm working for myself. I've got some consulting clients the primary one is girls for gender equity, which is the organization, and I'm profit that works with girls dinner non-conforming and trans youth between the ages of fourteen and twenty five on policy work mentoring survivor circles for survivors of sexual violence, and I guess in my role is cultural critic, I did appear in surviving R Kelly as a commentator. Okay. And you did a great job, by the way. I think true to itself before we before we left off we were discussing pretty much the the conversation that needs to be had in the household with adolescent children, not only on how on privacy, not only on words and what to name. Your body parts and private parts, but also with communication so before we left off. I did want to ask with you saying that you have been a victim of sexual assault. Atom very young age. You said eleven years old, and as an adult is this a conversation that you will have and you have a daughter, correct. Is this a conversation that you will have with her? And how do you have that conversation yet? When I want to ask you as well, I'm gonna have to have that conversation with her only because I I I'm recognizing where the lack of conversation when my mother has played a huge role in how I communicate and how talk about things and how comes back up later on. So I don't I'm literally, and let me let me be very clear, I had a very wonderful black mother, but I had a very black mother. I know what I'm saying. With a lot of you know, a lot of those those those generational things that we need to break that come along with that. And so she was a wonderful mother. But there are things that I definitely and I speak very openly about it on getting grown that. I'd like to change in. How I raised my daughter. I don't ever want her to feel shamed. For anything that. I don't want anything ever happen to her. Let's be clear. But I don't ever want her to fill a shamed. For things that go on with her body for it. I don't ever need her to feel ashamed to come talk to me about anything. I didn't wanna talk to my mother. Sorry guys about the very first east infection. I came as a result of antibiotic I shared on on my show. And so I'm by ratio. I grew up with a white Mamba everyone jokes and says she's blacker than I am. She's she's that type of woman, but I hit my period from her for a year. I was sneaking pads. I was asking friends at school just because I didn't know how to communicate that with my body at ten years old. I was in fifth grade. I did I hit my period from her and it wasn't until she was doing my laundry and saw bloody panties. That she came to me. It was like when did this start? And that too was because she had never opened up. She she did grow up. She was sexually assaulted. She left. Her house at fifteen years old. She had to grow up very fast. And there was there's still to this day. Now that you mention this. She lets me know the bad things happen to her. But what it was I feel the same. You know, she'd let me know that it wasn't easy there where people that touched her sheet. She was running from a lot, and I guess between zero and ten I never felt that connection to even tell her. I was on my period. So I definitely think even now my relationship with her. And even God, I'm getting choked up even talking about it. Because now, I'm realizing that there are so many things that my mom hasn't shared it. Shared to me, and I wasn't assaulted until I wasn't adult. But even my reaction when that happened. I feel I could have been different had this been a more open dialogue. Now. Jimmy lee. You also have a daughter. Yes. What is the car? Will you have that conversation? How how are you having the conversation because your daughter currently is she's five and a half months old? A few months old and we were pregnant together. Burs at the same fed to wild birds. So is this a conversation that have you had a sex talk with her the body talk? Maybe the privacy talk like how is that conversation? It's definitely begun. It's definitely we gonna centrist at you know, and listening to both of your podcasts. And hearing you all talk about your experiences with your mother's. I say that my mother and even made to some extent or somewhere square in the middle like a lot of classic. Black mama stuff. You know, like hiding these things or just kind of like dancing around certain subjects, you know, to protect you or perhaps to protect yourself. And then also kind of what people joke about is like permissive like white, you know, white stroller. Parents you know, like, and I know that sometimes I know other black moms see me on the street like, wow. Let her you're not going to beat this. I'm not even going lie rolled up. What to target one day? Vidi me lem was laying the fuck out like a snow angel. But I it's like, you know, what what you're gonna do. I will say that that that is completely different. I was just talking to Michelle the other day. I have a friend who has a thirteen year old daughter, and she just caught her daughter reading soft porn. So it was I was excited about it. Yeah. And she's reading. Spoke with her thing and my friends immediate response when she saw that her daughter was reading this was I'm taking her laptop away. I'm putting on punishment. And I said, ma'am. No, the fuck you're not on my on the phone with my friend. I said, ma'am, don't punish her stuff that we know is going to happen. I said you don't think she's just going to go read this shit on the school computers. Right. I said so and I'm not even a parent. I ain't got no kids I shot nothing. I'm of China. But I do know the importance of those conversations knowing I wish I had those conversations a very sexual person as a lot of you know, you grew up differently. I did. I did. Okay. So my mom is a lesbian, and she's white, and she was a feminist and we had to have a conversation about racism years ago because she's a white feminist so. Yeah. Yeah. But I have to really applaud her because when we had that conversation she sat on boards. She's like you ladies, but she was a white woman in Indiana. And she kind of disclosed me black women kept saying they needed their own. And we kept saying, no, we're all fighting the same fight. And she was like Michelle it took you to like teach me that it's not the same fight. But I am super grateful that I grew up in this space. Like, I always tell people you got to go to camp on a Pia high went to Lilly fair before there was Louis bear. And I'll never forget watching a woman lay on the floor and breathe debris exercises into an orgasm. I was probably your daughter's age five or six. Oh, wow. I remember being like mom. What is she doing? And my mom was just like she is pleasing herself without touching her genitals. And this is a very natural part of being a human. And I know sometimes you you might get urges to touch your vagina. But you can't do that in public. And this woman is just demonstrating how to feel pleasure without touch. And she was like, an my mom loves to tell the stories how it was like a chronic masturbaters. How? Very very clear that is a very normal behavior in sexual development. And oftentimes when I do parent classes, I hear parents say they chastise their children, and they yell at their children, and they're like don't do that. And that is the best way to open them up to a predator. Because if you are chastising them for doing something, very natural. Did you know baby boys can be seen masturbating in the womb? No way. Yeah. Because them it's not sexual to them. It's body exploration. And they touch a part of their body. Like man, this feels good at that age between the ages of like infancy to like five and six it is not for a purpose of orgasm. It is sucking new fellow feels good. That's why you see it at nap time. That's why Senate bedtime so boys. Preschool that was like a thing, you know. And so I I'll say my mother, I think had a very good approach to it. And I won't talk about you know, my child and she's done or just at our approach to that is similar. So if that's something that we were to catch her, you know, doing it's one. Of course, we have to talk about dirty kid hands and what that can cause. But that explain that part of her body is natural. You know it. It's really just okay. You know, you can't do this. When you're on the playground with your friends and do this at school. But I also don't want to create shame around that part of her body. So that when somebody unlocks that button yet, you know, this thing that she's been curious about now that she's, you know, she'll be vulnerable that said them, I'll just say, you know, to your question about how I talked to her about predators and sex in general, I think we've had a very progressive. You know, as my parents like, I knew body parts names. So even though we might have said pocket book, I think it was private area pry became privacy or. Have a have a Itchen my private area or my privacy. When I was a little kid. I still knew Jonah and penis, and she you know, she has a younger brother, and they together. So she seen a pain is clear, they have different equipment, you know. And she's not terribly curious about it. But like, and that's like, okay. You know, he's got this thing. I've got that thing. But we I'm not hiding much from her. You know, like she saw the beginning of the art Kelly documentary. I wasn't gonna let her sit through all of it. But you know, she was getting ready to go to bed. I let her get a glimpse of mom you on TV. That's something. That's always exciting to her. And it's funny because she said so when in our Kelly died, and I was like what he did. West valley ago Moore. Her once we were in a store, and they were playing one of his lungs on the radio. I believe I can fly ignition something I knew that she would hear again and my daughter loves music. She loves old school music. And I said, you must know that this is a bad, man. Yeah. You hear his music? You don't dance. She said why is he a bad, man? I said he hurts black women and girls, you know. And so why why are you in this movie about him? Why is there a movie about him because he's done bad things? So a lot of black women and girls, and that's important. So she recognizes him as a bad person. And and the only thing we really talked about beyond that from the documentary because you saw upward bed during the Leah's section. She asked about Julia was, and you know, and I said little girls. Do not have adult boyfriends perfect. You don't have adult friends, you have my friends because she does have a lot of play uncles and people who, you know, not. She's only met one person I was dating and it was a serious relationship. But aside from that, you know, the men that are around are my friends, right? And so and people that I trust her with and there's only a handful of them that she would be around them one on one, you know. You know, because I don't wanna ritual is normalized men. Yeah. You know, these are people that, you know, a godfather five is best friend, my best friend. But that these are natural friends, mommy's friends, these are people care about you. These are people that are part of your village. And even with that, you know, there's still a level with the women to, you know, as everyone has his anyone touched you, you know, when you're not with me how you know. How are you treating school? How do you know if you needed help wipe yourself when you were in daycare, you know, like when she was in daycare and ask, you know with so and so do it. How did they do it? You know, unusually there were they were hands off there were times. When like she needs some help from the Panthers Pete. You know? And I, and I respect and understand the kind of fear of like, you know, not wanting to do more than handing her baby wipe and just standing by the door as opposed to getting in there when she needed somebody do because she was three right? Well, what you say Jade, which you've said, and Michelle what you've said is the education that starts in the household, and I felt like that is more so needed in anything because of the lack of sex education in there. Not an I I remember, and I'm I'm class of oh nine sex. Ed was an elective one semester in high school, and it's still pretty much was be abstinent don't have sex diagram pregnant, and there was a really it was more. Yeah. We talked about it yesterday. And it was more so scare tactics here at private school. If I went to a public school in Orlando, Florida and does teach sex Ed as. But they they really push abstinence only they use a lot of scared. A lot of scare tactics involved. It's not accurate or inclusive and not only that I remember even being insects, Ed shit. Maybe half the half the semester was nutrition. So I'm just like, and it was counted as like a physical educate like wars. And I'm just like when I finally got you know in into fucking. I was like that did absolutely nothing for me. It was still very much not talked about in the household. So the fact that you have began talking with your child, and you do the same. I think that it's more needed with women and boys, but not pushing our men to have sex and not sitting here telling women they're never to do for. If they have it like there has to be some sort of middle dialogue to let people know like where humans how it's going to happen. We pledge ourselves we touch ourselves. We're human me. Well, I think what we have to remember. And this is something we don't talk about. So for me in the work that I do, you know, I'm I I see myself as an activist a reproductive Justice activists as social activists, but I am a firm believer. And I've said this before and I will say it a large part of the generational poverty that. Black people experience is rooted in sexuality because sexuality touches every single part of our lives gender or identity, which we didn't come as gender and body image sexual reproductive health. Look at the disparities in STI HIV rates across the nation sexualization, which you guys have been talking about the sexual black women specifically, but not that. Here's the thing about sexualization on. It's on a spectrum. So on the healthy part. You have flirting and how to be able to attract a mate and on the really disgusting part. You have what we saw in the last three nights of this surviving R Kelly you have sensuality which is about being okay with your body. Right. You have reproductive rights, which is we're starting to see chip away from the Trump administration. And and and and then you have society because your values. Religious background all of these things. Come to play your experience with your mother come into play. And that is what gets us to places where we see high rates of intimate partner violence, the CDC just said black women from zero to somewhere around thirty five homicide is in the top three causes of death. Like, we have to understand careful saying that I was on the breakfast club with someone who gave that statistic and have had to deal with two years of black man accusing me of being at war. We're black. No, I'm not at work. I mentioning. Mansion meant that for I wanna say it's black women and girls between the ages of fourteen and twenty five the number to cause of death is homicide. Yes, girl. And by her saying that I've had to do I posted a picture of my daughter, and I at the White House with Barack Michelle Obama and someone shared it and got one hundred three tweets with Jamila and the number two killer black win. Guess what? We didn't say black men were doing the killing. We said that intimate partner violence does the killing for all these black men who want to come you. Chiesi news. I'm tired of reading all of them. And I try not to re tweet this shit. And I see it. I see it and I'm not fighting people with my fucking thumbs. But you all choose to be you choose blatant ignorant like to be blatantly whenever. They don't fucking read. They don't thoroughly read. This is black men. Black women white men as why this is a whole bunch of mother fucking people who don't fucking read and don't know anything, and they spew all kinds of bullshit. They've never been through anything where they've been to a whole bunch, and they don't know how to fucking deal with it. But what they need to learn. How to do is shut the fuck up. And I'm so tired of reading people spew things all over the place in y'all don't know what the fuck you're talking about. When it came to them saying we'll teenage girls be out here doing this and doing that. And the fact that I was reading this from from black men. It's like you guys wanna find every way to blame us. Why were treated the way we are why we're over sexualize? Why people don't believe like if you even look into the statistics right now of black women and their birth and having how we're treated the doctor? I'm I've seen documentaries where they say we just don't believe that black women really hurt as much they say they like the foundation of gynecology was Bill. On the black backs of black slave women. Exactly. Exactly. People wanna talk about. Oh, Tuskegee was terrible. Honey, come and sit with me for a little bit. And I'm gonna show you how the American Medical Association through sleigh reproductive, health and reproductive oppression have been killing black and Brown women, and then calling it medical miracles for these men. I'm not calling you out brother. I'm calling you in. I am not calling you out. And I understand some of these feminists circles can be very uncomfortable. Because sometimes I go to him. And I'm like, listen ladies. Yeah. Because we're not going to get nothing done without men. But men, I need you to grab your mother fucking Kahane's pool. Iota don't the desert up at step to the table because we need you. You didn't see that in video in that, Sean if your reaction to anything and surviving R Kelly was to defend anyone other than black, women and girls. Yeah, we didn't watch the same. And I don't care if you were disappointed in this person shouldn't have been or this thing was not, you know, this was part wasn't handled. Well, you can critique the Becca memory. I'm not saying it was part of it. Right. If your takeaway was not black women and girls being underprotected over sexualize, discard it then you your heart is not in the right place. And something that you mentioned when you talk about at the beginning of your remarks a few minutes ago, how EV you know, the the disparities in income and life outcomes, you why people in this country rooting bet to sexually the preschool. You know, we talk about the school to prison pipeline about black children in general, specifically black boys. But for black girls, it's the sexual salt to prison pipeline so often, right? So like, how do you get into the pre the Carson will system? Right. Why were you suspended from class acting class? Why are you acting out? Why didn't you come with your uniform because something? Going on at home. That's your teachers are white middle-class suburban teachers that landed in the ghetto for a few years while they're waiting for somebody to marry them. So they don't have to do that kind of work anymore. So they can get a masters degree for free by languishing in bed stuy or Harlem trying to figure things out in their twenties. Dealing with these kids that they can't connect to they're not recognizing that the girl who always has the attitude doesn't know how to deal with the fact that she's got a d Cup breast and the boys are saying something about it or just there. She don't want to run Bill 'cause she didn't even have no money to get the right side. Right size. She's in pain. Out literally make them run around the block you making her do all. Class. Even though you know, maybe I gained a Cup size in twenty pounds in the past western I don't have new gym clothes because on a city. Sitdown because because I even. Even as a demon. As maybe a more developed black woman. I will say there were closed that I could put on and the next grow next to me if she was smaller could put on the end, the teachers would come to me and be like, oh, no the appropriate. Yes. He has would be looking at me a certain way because of what I was wearing. And I was talking to her just the sexualization of us looking at how things fit. Yes, still owe thirteen fourteen year old girl, we're getting into puberty in certain ways. And we are feeling uncomfortable with our booze me make I was on the TV. This is not funny. But I was on the TV announcements when I was in school. I was the one that said, hey, welcome everyone to school. And I remember for at least a month. I would get on TV. I would have them just the camera, but I would sit at the table like this to have my arms cover my chest. Because the boys would always mention how big my breasts were on TV and how they looked and I'm just like I'm not comfortable with with the size of my tits. So yes, what you're saying is very very true. Centeno wanna shout out the girls for gender equity is doing that. I think is really important they launched at the end of last year the camp a campaign called the schoolgirls deserve, right? And so they did research through talk to girls and clear and trans youth in New York City schools, are what are you looking for like, what would make this better safer environment for you? Dress code violations are at the top of the list of reasons that girls of color are suspended from school, your mess classroom exit tension, all of that suspension. My mom, my mom couldn't come and get me to change. My my my my. You're taking me out of my class because you don't like the length of my skirt, and I can see here in point out two three four five other girls with a script that would be just as questionable, but because I have dies because I have these hips, it's looking sexualize. I would fight that this was in middle school. So what you're saying is very very I love that you're doing absolutely. And so it's like, so not only are we, you know, there's a different standard for the white girl who as one hundred and ten pounds versus the black girl who as one hundred and fifty pounds sixty pounds. Right. There's also even if the white girls are getting and some of them are suspended for where your crop tops and shorts here. We're not saying it never happened to them at the same rate. Right. If it did happen to them at the same rate suspending punishing girls dress code folding, by the way mirror city does not have universal dress codes. So they, you know, their hands school by school teacher by teacher administrator by administrator girl by girl. So when these things happen you sending a message to our girls that there. The ones responsible for making sure that they're not sexually harassed or sexually assaulted as same thing that they will learn again when they are Dulce when it becomes what were you drinking? Where were you who were you with how late? With him for all of that. And so you're removing these girls from classroom time, meanwhile in New York City, you have a million one point one million students and one title nine coordinator one. And that position is vacant by the way, but they have one person whose job is to pursue investigations of sexual assault. Sexual violence and harassment claims. Wow. One for one point one million students. So you've got piles of cases that are placing the school ends ups schools in districts end up settling, you know, girls end up leaving like we're not confronting the sexual violence that takes place in our school. We're not also when it comes to these dress code violations right now, we just talked about girls, we didn't even touch non binary status or LGBTQ youth who are also struggling, and and I think that the problem with this policy it's education because I am someone who fights for sex, Ed. Mandate K through twelve medically accurate, culturally competent and inclusive. The problem is although New York City is sex Ed mandate it is a soft mandate. And they do not have enough qualified teachers who have been trained in the work to do the work. And I am a firm believer. You start educating a young person to body atonomy. And you know, I do an activity called circles of touch which uses colors and shapes to help young people for five six understand who's in this circle. Who's in this circle who can give me high fives we have to teach that from zero all the way up. So then by the time, they get high school. There is no questions. And in addition, we have to train educators, we have to train administration because if the leadership doesn't understand policy doesn't understand cultural, competency, these kinds of dress code violations will continue to perpetuate right? So it can't. And then in addition to that parent. I know you guys we want sex Ed to start in the home. But some parents don't know how to eve. Need more resources to help parents like adult parenting sex, Ed classes are needed we need to seek people out who can facilitate those conversations and being a woman of color. I know there are them out there. But it seems like far too often we take the advice of people that don't necessarily look like us in this space. I love Dr Ruth. I love Dr drew. But a part of why I got into this was I was like we how do they know what it's like to be black and deal with all these things because that is a large part of what plays into our holistic sexuality. I like the conversation where it's shifting now. Because it's where I wanted to to take it. We talked about the adults in this documentary and the accomplish. The vice standard, the not only the parents, but the entourage the friends family members. So I guess I want it to now shift the latter part of this conversation now to how we hold each other accountable. We can't say here and sit here and think that this is going to change because our children are gonna know. Now, what to do this has to start with us? Now, we are on now generation X Y Z millennials were all here. Baby boomers, it now has to be to where we hold the people around us accountable. So you were a part of the documentary, you we both said what Bruce. Hey, everybody. Shinjiro every much. Everybody has to go to jail. But I wanted to talk to you. And what your immediate thoughts were on the accountability of the adults that were around while this was happening. I think they're all trash I think every every adult who was around in witnesses was trash note the problem. There's so many problems into that. Yeah. This we you know, it gets into money, and it gets into people not being able to their families. Not even just power though. Sometimes it's just survival because if you sit there, and you looked at what was her name, non Trevan. What was the D background dancers? Devante. You look at her. And like I said, and I and I did I sat there, and I said all you mother fuckers complicit in all your gotta go to jail. But when I started doing math, I'm like, well this girl, and she's talking about sneaker, Leo out and doing all this. And I know this is not specifically about the documentary. Right. But I'm like when she's doing that. How old is she she seventeen eighteen years old and Elise fourteen years old I had seven transition Pierre Saint so but the adults. That don't that raggedy ass in set up there and said him who said I wanted to help her, but I saw the looking to rise, but you motherfucker can helps facilitate the paperwork, and you helped put all of this insa place. Not one of you stepped up and said, this should is wrong. But what you were saying with the reason is because he was their mill tick. Yes, you're not that is not a justification. I think they're all trust in that motherfucker, Bruce in those purple as is he can stay there for the fuck ever like that nigga can stay there forever. He is. He don't need to be on the streets. We don't need another. We don't need another one on the street. But yeah, I'll say with what you're saying with money, and I feel like this is why a lot of us in the black households also deal with this. I grew up in a single parent. Household and my mom also grew up with a step dad, and when it came to what was happening with her again, I didn't receive details, but her mom chose the day. Had a lot of us is women's so many choose the provider, and we do allow men into our households when we have children, and if they're bringing something to the table, we feel like we can't lose that sometimes at the expense of our own children. Will I think again, it goes back to how sexuality touches every aspect of our life comes down to black women not having equal pay for equal work. This is that is sexuality in the workplace. And this is what again, I just want to reiterate to people because when you really start to think about how sexuality bleeds into everything in your life. You might wake up. You wonder why these people were selling people out just like you said a single mom black women make less money have less opportunity for upward mobility. They was just trying to make sure you had like her daughter had food, right, but black people to and it goes into education and people talk about I want to talk about slavery. No more. It all goes back to and it goes back all. Generational all of these secrets and all of these things we don't wanna talk about. And the fact that we don't have the money to take care of our families and do all of these things. And so we're willing to put up with fucked up shit and be nasty savage as human beings because we just want a mother fucking pay our rent, or what have you or these things are worse. Like, they're they're worse. They wanted to be a part they needed that carries during the documentary were you able to be in the same room with any of these people where you weren't able to tell them. I was only present for my interview. Okay. But I am friends with Draymond. So we talked to bit throughout the process. So I had some inside. And so that would be I would say because I would want to know after listening to these adults saying that they were witnessing. They were all almost all all part of human trafficking. If you sit here and ask me every person that will be part of our Kelly's entourage or team at that specific timeline and probably now helped him get those police the police crony lease apartment warned him about the shared check. Yeah. I was just like ho. Holy shit. This is a problem in the community. So this I wanna call surviving society because that's what the fuck we're doing. But with those people with those individuals where does it get to where we can be comfortable to sit here and confront our friends. Our homeys our providers like where is it? Where do we get there? And you know, a conversation I had with the mutual friend of ours. Actually once about. How do you step in when your homeboys mistreating a woman? Right. And we weren't even talking about violence. We were talking about I think, no, I think I can't remember I started with infidelity or ramp or even just a maybe it was child neglect like now in your child or not paying your child support. But being bar being out with other women. Just kind of like the power of social death dream mentioned last night. Like if women wouldn't fuck with you, if they knew that you didn't take care of your child, if you were persona non grata if you go in the bar, and everybody's like he'll take care of his kit. You can't get a phone number. You can't find set. You know what I mean? Would that change things if your homeboys right because you don't okay, you don't really respect to listen to women. You'll find another circle women. Right. Maybe the women in your peers in your circles, you know, like, okay. Your podcast and the podcast girls aren't fucking with me. But I can go to New Jersey I can go elsewhere, by the way, right? But let's talk about your friends if you always step up and say, listen what you're doing your child be as something that you've done. Physically or emotionally your woman, if you're the one who's, you know, getting her get another drink get another drink, and you're like, whoa. She's she's had drink already. You know, are making sure that this woman doesn't go like if we could count on you all to do that it would change so much, and I challenged that of the men who are bothered by yelling, you know, the we're painting black men in a bad light. Because we want to talk about sexual violence against black women and girls, which typically does happen at their hands. Right in start your hands in this country. But it ended I it's in your hands are the ones that have the power to change it. Right. And what Michelle said was while we're sitting here having this conversation? And while you have your organizations, you are sitting here, you're part of a lot of organizations and you help with education. It's not only us that can make this change. It is a lot of men and the only thing that I sat here and thought of during the documentary during conversations with male friends who sit here either help their friends cheat, turn aside. I when they're abusing their girlfriends all of these things like like, Michelle like, you said men, we need you to also step in and take part, and I liked that challenge. So for any men who are listening, right? Now and sat here in felt disgusted the same way. We did at the documentary genuinely want to make a change something without starting a nonprofit or anything big concert as immediate as the niggers. Yo circle your brothers. Your uncles. Anyone that you see doing questionable that you don't agree with confront that person confront that man and ask him, why are you doing this? And I don't think it's right. And I think a lot of people wouldn't think is right and literally sit here and make them self reflect. And if they don't want to change their ways, remove yourselves, a lot of these people, they're narcissistic behaviours their desire to be around other people there that idea that you said in the beginning, the manhood and to beat the man that that demands respect from a lot of a lot of people. And and fellas if you sit here and start removing your respect for others. They'll say here, am I I think that if we're going to say that. People come after me for this one. We often have to admit that women can be predators to. So women can lead predators on men. And so we are not saying man, you're the only person out all there are definitely some predator women out there. Oh, the should this molestation should is not it's not because. You know what I'm saying? I had said earlier if a boy is molested at eleven by eighteen year old girl, and then we say, no, you weren't molested you become a man how can he then understand when he sexually assaulted somebody? If he rests told you we we're discrediting you. We don't we we if we're gonna believe survivors, we believe survivors. And that also means that sometimes we have to take a long hard look in the mirror and ask ourselves because you know, in my own experience. I had to ask myself what kind of derelict ask things did. I do in college. When I was like, oh, you know. Maybe if I got one more cover ahead say he will give me that attention. I want or the co the we are very we're not as likely to be predatory. But our propensity to be coercive mo-. Yes is so so when a man says, I don't want to do this book. Yeah. Baby. And you're kissing on your putting you know, his painting. Mouth. We're looking at this as a sexual so we're not yes has not aggressive because not stronger, they're stronger. They don't have the same social like what happens to you socially, if the world here, right or right, right? You reject me sexually versus me rejecting you sexually. And what could be the consequence? They're different. But that's still not okay. We're. Coercion is not about derailing the conversation about black women and girls it's about saying like, the rape culture means that men are expected to be well, there's a the the notion that we are sexually available to them at all time. They're supposed to be sexually ready for us at all times. They have to want it. And if you don't want it your week for your day. That we don't allow them to have a lack of desire or interest or fatigue or any number. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's an issue that I have. Because even I will say, I told you my mother she the the sex thing. It was like she would speak about it. But it just wasn't in great detail. But she did let us know how special your virginity is. She did let us know. Like, you don't have to give yourself to anybody. If you don't want to. And that would that stayed with me because I was never eager to lose my virginity. Like, I never felt pressured if I I was like no nigga get out of here. Like, I don't care what you say about me. I don't wanna do it. But and I know a lot of us have had those pressures. I never felt that. And I appreciate my mom for teaching me that however that same that same special that whole special feeling your flower. You're this, and that is not voice. It's not taught to boys that sexual experience about how it's supposed to be personal supposed to be something between two people that you love. They're not taught that they're not. It's not ingrained in them the way that it is two girls. And that's a problem. I've always said I think we need to celebrate the first wet dream like we celebrate a period because. That is at the point at which they're their sperm, or they're gay mites. Are a mobile enough to swim up through the uterus into that Philippine tube and fertilized eight prior to that they can't actually make a child. So it's the same exact experience. Well, it's you know, similar experience of a period. And we celebrate periods that we have these moon parties, and we then let women know the grab those responsible. I'm. Lilith fair. Right that we do still recognize it as an important step on the journey of womanhood. Right. This. Let me think about the blackish period episode again like she's got a little fair. Mom. Mad at all. I had a half ill for that. He wanted to pick. So we were like, oh why? That we don't see anything. And I'm you know, I don't want much to Virginia's a delicate flower to be protected one hundred think about because I I just guarded my Janney like ill-fitting shoes. Just get it out of the way. I barely remember the person, you know, 'cause I want I was curious about sex. I was ready to get started. And just the virginity await to me. And even though we lost it. Fifteen didn't start become sexually active until eighteen. I didn't like the pressure that people who's going to be the first who's good. Like that just. There's still something to like what when I talked to young people because I do a bit of college speaking, we talked about sexual agency and consent and consent base, the lack of consent based education, how that is for, you know, kids of all gender expressions and adults to learn relearn that you'd be thinking about sex something that is an act between two consenting people are eager affirmative consent desire that I respect you. I am interested and invested in your pleasure. I want to share this experience with you with awareness serious committed relationship or an casual sex experience. That's what's so radical about you I'll do like game. But like there I was the sex positive eminence since I was a kid, right? Like before I had the language to even describe it. Like, I remember my friends like I think I'm ever like ever. I don't know how they become valley girl. The. From the second. Nobody. They said. My husband, and I just remember just fan like an I wasn't out there yet. I just remember saying I think it's gonna happen sooner than that. You guys just seem like this doesn't release. It. Just sounds like it's a part of sex to me, and we're all really curious and interested in receiving oral sex. So just answer reason it at some point we're this is going to be a trade off at the very should be it should be right. And that's nothing always say like don't go down on somebody's gonna go down on you. I don't care if you're, you know, eighteen twenty eight thirty eight to you unless you are like, I don't desire like that. Right. That tonight, then you're not sleeping with somebody who respects your sexual, but we're not telling you know, for boys. It's just kind of taken for granted that they're going to because they're likely to Jackie late. They range or they don't have to think about whether the broken cherry or what have you? Yeah. Even difficult thing. Right. Even with what you were saying though, like you losing your virginity at fifteen I lost mine at sixteen. It was it's also thing to where when you lose it at those ages older adults your peers other men the reference to you being fast you being a ho you being I will say here and go back to me being twenty eight. Now, the things that I know now and how I feel now in high respond now sex partners to all of that is completely a one eighty one. I was doing it fucking sixteen say twenty one on a girl like holy shit. So the fact that we put the mature adult responsibilities even on these young Phil children child. I don't do a fuck like fucking child and knowing now with the podcast and with the research and with friends like you and having conversations like. This with you too. I know now I can look back. I was the boss. I was I was working the other word. I had to look it up. Several phileas. Underage girls. Yeah. And so like to sit here and have the platform that I do. That's why I thought this conversation was so important because we do sit here and say, we'll have you been fucking since he was ten or eleven or twelve you get in. It's like everything that I did probably before twenty four honestly four twenty five. I find very interesting about that. Nerdy. Thirty point you guys are saying twenty four twenty five your brain is not fully formed now knowing about twenty five twenty six that pre frontal hor Tex is not fully formed. So, you know, I always tell when I'm doing lectures, or college tours or classroom work. I'm like, listen, y'all just bumping ugly sex you having right now where mere how is gonna be popping. When you have when you discovered who you are as a person when you finish college. And I'm not telling you shame on you for doing it. You got to hit your head against the wall a couple of times in high school. But trust me, y'all need to be doing it that much y'all need to collect so many notches on your belt. You don't need so many numbers, although I lost my number nine thousand nine. Number one shabby. The right number listed saved my life. On a grill in members for the numbers. Down to negative named. Ryan you fuck one nickname. No. But it's folks. People don't believe that one here. I like to say nine nine because still in. In one of the year. Stupid be really do the Matt grown woman impasse. Thirty five. Looking whole hell of a lot closer to forty then thirty. Virginity? Okay. At fifteen. We look at it. Almost twenty years fucking way. Clearly. Okay. My numbers twenty. Are we only talking men, right? Hello. There's like. There you go. So I wanna circle this bag. I wanna I guess now want to discuss more of the general aspects that relate to this. We talked about accountability we did talk about as children. But I wanted to get into a lot of men were questioning why these women why these victims chose to go on lifetime and shared her story in that case instead of taking this man to court and fed of letting the court system, find him guilty. And as you guys see I believe this was this was a part three and four we saw that the court system has already failed us one. Just this predator. One of the twice Lauretta anti. One of the tweets that I saw today that resonated with all of y'all and even the parents on this last part that was saying well, he wasn't found. Guilty tweet today that said George Zimmerman guilty, would you let show black as son hang around George Zimmerman. So for these parents, and for all these people to sit here and try to use the core system to justify his innocence. It's fucking discussing a lot of these same people that would use the court system to justify our Kelly's. And the sense would look at Bill Cosby being behind jail behind bars as a travesty because the land. Which one is then those are also the same parents who will not allow their students to sign up for fifth grade sex Ed class because you know, what my child don't need to know that I'm gonna teach them when they ready. I got into an argument on Thursday with the dude at a bar about this. He was like, I don't like how you support Amoroso. She's not she's this that another. I was like, bro. She's talking about women equal sexuality, right? I don't need to teach my son that all. Would you go? Never had a conversation with them about sex thirteen year old boy, that's a problem that is early there. That poor versus in onset of porn is nine here in the US on average when you think about cell phones. So you're mad at the parents. He wasn't found guilty. Like, why does they have to be found guilty? I hate that. So many of those parents Abby sexual assault like when it comes to sexual assault. Only about nine of every one thousand cases, see a district attorney's debt that doesn't even meet somebody going to be found guilty. You've had nine thousand reports and only nine get to see a district attorney prosecutors desk. Oh, but them other than I mean, there's a trial. That's what I'm saying. So how many actually found guilty probably less than one? Listen there there there. There are people who are found guilty within the households by other people in the household. Nobody says nothing and the people still sweep it under the rug when they still excuse it or they still say. Oh, well, you know, we don't want to we don't wanna send them to jail. We don't wanna keep doing all the down down the when the satisfies I've ever heard. I was at a a camp like a week long camp for it was like activists survivors of sexual survivors of violence. Many of them were relatives of people who've been killed by police. It was like a healing space that can't really crunch. I was the architect of intersection -ality have put together, and I was teaching a writing class y'all Muslim sister who tells the story about when she lived in Philadelphia she wears a head covering their identified the Muslim family and post nine eleven how things change even though they were obviously African American Muslims. But they got the last name say Muhammad wearing their religious garb. I think the men are family may also wear you know, so now they're being profiled. They're being called terrorists are done with these other things at the same time her older brother is sexually molesting her. And she at a very. Young age. I wanna say ten eleven twelve is grappling with is a wear that she's grappling with wanting to go to her family and ask for help. But also this fear that the police would kill her brother that she carry this weight for years. There's so many of us, you know, be a date rape be somebody that we've known for a long time be, you know, even someone on the street Justice idea that involving the system beyond you might not believe me, you know, you might not take me seriously because I'm a black woman. I feel responsible for my assailants, you know, when I was sexually assaulted. I was raped when I was twenty one right before moved to New York. I was literally in the problem is supposed to move to New York two days after it happened. I ended up staying living right outside of DC. I just finished college. I ended up staying out there and extra week to kind of give my head together and stuff, and I saw lied to the police and said that he was white for two reasons one I was like a half to get the I was afraid that they would keep me there of one. I was like why do I even think they're gonna like actually investigate this freight? I was like what if I have to stay. I don't want to try to get out of here. So a lot about the race. But the other thing was I was like, I don't believe you guys. Hey, what seriously what he was black? Okay. But and it was a stranger, but I also knows a robbery, but like, I also fear. The like if they do go out there looking they're just gonna start rent one. I can't identify them. You know, like like he had on a man it was like a traditional from TV type of thing. It's the whole city cut and dry. Like, this is exactly as bad as it looked. I should get all the sympathy. There's no gray area and still was not treated that way by police officers and detectives and still traded it was insignificant and didn't get a phone call from the rape crisis three months later. Like, we went to check on you. I was like, you know, do you want to come in for counseling? I'm like, I'm move. I can't I'm not in Maryland I wanted to. But I also thought about like, so they're not stop some arbitrary black dudes like I'm going to have to go participants process them stopping arbitrary black guys. I just want to get out of here. And if I had to do it all over again, I would have given accurate description. But I was really just like I just wanna get out hit. I wanna move move on. It's crazy during that up. I shared that. I was molested on a train of here. It was rush hour, and I was trying to put my purse behind me because you know, you bump into people train. You can't move the doors opened at an express up and his dick was fully out of his pants. He had been rubbing his dick on me for the five or six minutes that we were on the train, and I froze and started crying and what you're saying. What made me even more mad was that. I looked to him, and he was a black man and. Of all the things that think I wished he was everything, but a black cat because I didn't want to have the hates of a black man because that's all I deal with. That's all I have sex with. That's my dad is black a lot of the men in my family are black, and I just been physically assaulted, I froze couldn't even do all the things I said, I would do if I ever was sexually assaulted frozen than just started crying went home. And literally that was the thought the came to my head was fuck. This was a black man, and I was pissed it was a stranger. But the fact that it was a black, man. And I I wanna bring another story to this. My uncle actually just got deported. This was recent in my family, we came to find out that he was molesting my cousin since she was a child and the only reason she came forward. His daughter. The only reason she came forward was because she got pregnant with a girl and the fear of him doing that. To her daughter was the only reason why she told our whole family, and it was mixed feelings because my dad, it was my dad's brother he was upset the now his brother had to be deported. But then so he was upset at that. But then also made sure that my uncle had never touched me and my sisters, which he didn't. But to know that this was happening our entire childhood, nobody knew and the only reason she thought to come out was as an adult. She was having a girl and didn't want to happen daughter. And so again, would it happening in the family with me not wanting to see black men act this way like I do want more for us. And it's it is a lot of the times black men hurting us as black women. And so it's it's going to be a conversation for us to make a change in. However, we can with your education with your nonprofits and your nations, and then when he was a much. Other with you bringing the education that you are to your daughter to hopefully spew that into generations to come. But again, we're going to need the black men on this just as much and not for you like I see on Twitter and Instagram for you guys to keep pointing the fingers back to us. You're going to have white man or white, man. White man get involved. Yes, right class. Todd darva apparent brunch with your homeys where you start having these like dude tonight, get some cognac and have some our conversations with the homeys a lot of us women do because that's the thing to unpack. I in and through that unpacking and through conversation and dialogue. We will come to solution together, and guess black men are hurting black women and white men are hurting white women and Muslim men are hurting. And it's men are hurting women. Yes. When we when we talk about black men specifically, it's because one the Agnete. Yes, we have technology men or went people are hurt by people that look like them. You know, you're getting. Robbed by a white guy. If you're white guy, you're getting, you know, harm by a white, man. If your way women when we talk about black men, it's because one of the ones doing to us, but that you know, when white people talk about sexual they don't talk about white men have to stop hurting women. They talk about men hurting women they write one because they see themselves as the default to humanity. You know, their issues on everyone's issues. Yes, you know. And also their experiences with people of color and sexual and how that answers to them are the same. But also for us is like, we when we say, we need to talk about black, man. It's because we know that conversation has to be different because we're taking into account Emmett till we're taking into account Trayvon Martin being profiled hunted down murder for the possibility that he could be there to do harm to a white girl. Right. Like, we we have we have we understand all of this. You know, and not everybody who wants to do that work understands it when we talk about people going a little bit too far being a little bit too soft like just so much nuance and so much history that you had to take into account, and so I'm not angry at the discomfort that Blackman. Infield. At the beginning of the Bill Cosby are Kelly saga upset with is now that you've had years to realize that those are not the average black man, they're not even average blackmail predator because not only has the power in the money and the influence that they have has allowed them to create these systems abuse, right ecosystems, rather. But also the volume the volume of accusers volume victims is so profound that if you're still that's like we have a different conversation about Nate Parker for. Sure, right. But if you're having the conversation, and the lack of -firmative consent rice sexual educates, you know, and that's not absolve him of any guilt. But that is a different conversation than somebody who has sixty some accusers. Somebody who has you know, count with our Kelly is the number is just countless right in. And we know how many have come forward, and it's just. I'd like to do that work without being a retraumatize rated and by our men, and it hurts, and I'm, but I'm also like I can take you know, I'm like you. I'd rather like when I was talking about the documentary online, I speak to the victims online. But I don't tag them and things, but I'm you know, I'd like I'd rather don't go. Toronto pace come from worse. Hate him Bidu us, they haven't agenda. Try like let me hold it. You know, don't don't force that upon these people who are taking advantage of such a young age. And if you're listening to this, and you're wondering why we keep, you know, maybe singling out black men or black women or black girls. I want to say that it has been probably a consensus of full narrative that if these victims were white that are Kelly would have been tried differently. And a lot of times again, I don't wanna say that maybe white victims have more of a voice, but in society in the court system, I remember. I believe the women because of how they dressed how they talked and what they look like shout was discussed. One of the jurors. Was but he spoke for a large a large population. And so I do wanna sit here and say that that's why we are singling out black women and black men because I think as we know we do as oppressors. It's sickening that we oppress our own in in homophobia and women and gender roles and all of that. And I just want better for our community. I think that we're talking about black men. Yeah. Because you're black women. We talk about fucking. We don't. I don't donate white men. I don't I don't know about white men. Can't talk. The hands of the black land listening. No this no. A male child. We're going to have black men. And so I I wonder why this narrative has taken place the way it has. But we are about to wrap up. I want all of you guys to follow everyone. We're going to go ahead. And and let you all know what we have coming up where you can find us. And if you would like, maybe a part to this conversation, let me know and let let us know what other topics you would like going to twenty nineteen. I'm about to have a nice little vision boarding party. But I would ask -solutely love maybe somehow to set up a panel or group conversation to have women come and talk to us and men, I'm sorry. I would love I would love men to come. And we need men in the room. But I would love maybe something up between the four of us. Maybe any other people that you know, are looking to hetero men Yanni too. Mouse any motion I will help facilitate event like we can help. And I would love to do something with you low, you know, in a mixture grouper and all women group again it like creating spaces for men to talk to men about what's going on. And to listen to women and environment where they're going to actually listen to us. We can fulfil we will. Place to do it. And it's not a call out, and it's a call in. And we're we're calling you in we love you do wanna give shut out. There is really great program called black boy rice, look it up. It's four black men and black boys and they explore sexuality and toxic masculinity. While that is the specialization Lou is amazing. He does restorative Justice work we've worked together in a space of sexuality. I would love to bring him here. Again, it's black boy rise. But again, we've said a lot of things. But like Mandy said, I want to say we need SIS gendered black man so badly, and and I'm gonna say, please find me out and most important I do wanna get one. Critique about the Kelly thing, I was really disappointed almost say at the very end. They had a great opportunity to kinda shift the discussion off our Kelly to intimate partner violence because that's really what it was about human trafficking intimate partner violence. We've talked about that today, and they did not share a hot. Line number. So we wanted we wanted to share hotline. So I'm gonna manager at its if we can't number at the bottom of the screen for the entire episode now girls for gender equity. We worked with lifetime and values partnerships, which is organising that was doing social engagement for the documentary. And we created a tool kit viewers guide all gushing questions that you raise with your friends with young people. There's you know information for national sexual assault telephone line as well as musicians that work specifically with victims of child sexual assault ways to get involved with the fights are Kelly organizations that are doing this work with black women and girls period. So the resources are there. I again for twenty nine hundred horrible decisions looking to do a lot as you guys know last year, we partnered with survive to thrive, which is an organization based out here in New York where they actually help domestic the Mesic violence victims get back on their feet. So they help with dental care. They help with resumes. They helped with help finding you jobs, and basically just getting you back into society as a whole and not as a battered victim also for our Houston. Stop for the horrible decisions tour. We are partnering with Flo code, which is actually a nonprofit organization that helps under under deserved communities with helping them get menstrual products. So women who like myself may not have been very very keen on letting their parents know that they were on the period and even just having the products as an adult bitch tampons are expensive, and so we're partnering with them for our. Houston. Stop. If you are coming to our show in Houston that will be on April the twentieth. We will have low code in the building. So please bring tampons pads anything that you feel to donate, and they will also be accepting cash donations. If you guys want to know more of the horrible decisions tour stops, I will put it in the description here. I don't wanna plug much more. Do you have anything else going on or anything in the works for twenty nineteen? You guys can continue to check out getting grown jaded next d-. We have some projects coming up. I have a cooking show becoming out. But I just wanted to finalise up and go look in my social media this fine. I want people get therapy. Yes. I think they're so K this generational this generational issue with sexual conversation and trauma and so forth. It goes back so far, and I really want us to start these hotlines a one full we need to talk to people, but any talk to therapists, and we need to we need to we need to start addressing these issues. So that we can break this somewhere. So we're not passing this on our nieces and our children, and our and our play nieces who have like we need to have these hard conversations, and we need to start with having them about ourselves. So I like that. So we'll work again twenty nineteen the conversation will continue to go. This is just the start of it. You did a great job. Introducing it because this is definitely all something that needs to be discussed with I think all of our platforms. We definitely are trying to maintain. We're starting conversations you guys are going out and doing the fucking grunt of the work with actually being face to face with not only victims, but teaching people, and I appreciate all of you for having for sitting here with me and having this conversation. I will go ahead, and we'll tie all of our social media accounts. If you guys want to reach out to any of us would DM's, and again, maybe if you have a venue in New York, again, this is something we definitely wanna bring a large volume of people to where we can have this conversation to where they can go. And again, we're just we're here to plant the seat. So I wanna thank you guys. All for joining us. We hope that we stemmed some good conversation and ones that you can take back to your friends. Is there anything else that you guys wanna leave off with elegant y'all I here? All right. Well, it's been good. It's been great. I hope all of you guys have a wonderful twenty nineteen. And again, the conversation starts here the seeds are planted, and it's up to us to help this thing grow. So by.

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