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Wichita Weekly Update - Smart Factory, QuickHire, Marina Bay Sands Hotel

Wichita Life Podcast

03:43 min | 9 months ago

Wichita Weekly Update - Smart Factory, QuickHire, Marina Bay Sands Hotel

"Welcome everyone to this week's Wichita weekly update where you down of the recent local news some fun facts about Wichita and upcoming events over the next week today's Tuesday September twenty-ninth. I for some local news. On Friday October Second Nineteen seventy at one fourteen pm an airplane carrying thirty seven passengers and three crew members crashed twenty nine members were killed the scene in two later died of injuries. This was one of the two aircraft carrying the WICHITA STATE FOOTBALL TEAM UTAH FOR A game against Utah State. The official report leading up to the crash indicated poor in-flight decisions and inadequate planning. Rest for a moment of silence for the which Uh. Hey, football team that passed. As, we mentioned in a past episode, a Cedric Judge struck down the petition over seventeen thousand signatures to save century to. Say This group has filed an appeal against this decision they have retained Wichita Attorney Austin Park and are asking for donations to help cover the cost walling anonymous donor has stepped up to offer matching funds. This group is pushing for a public vote regarding the fate of century to. Debra Glad Ni and Angela Mawasi Hall created an APP called quick higher to help connect employers and job seekers in traditional blue collar industries and trades. If you or anyone, you knows the confer job check out the quick higher APP. Jay Golden the President of Wichita State University has resigned just last year the search for Dr Golden lasted several months and cost about one hundred, thousand dollars. They're very few details about the resignation at this time, but we'll keep you updated. James Lynn of the heights high school football team helped a woman out of work vehicle and help direct traffic. When he saw someone in need the rack and he went on the highway to help people, Click the link in the show's learn more. A collaboration between Wichita State and Deloitte announced the smart factory at Wichita is coming. There will be an immersive experiential learning environment help accelerate the future of innovation manufacturing new. Tech. For today's fun fact. Did you know Moshi softy? The architect of the exploration place in Wichita also designed the most instagram place in the world the Marina Bay Sands Tell in Singapore. For a quick rundown of some, the events coming up tomorrow with September thirtieth, there's coffee and Waffles at reverie on Thursday. There's a wine walk at chicken and pickle with benefits victory in the valley on Friday ICT October fest starts and goes till Saturday field of screams is open Friday night. On Saturday, in addition of October fest. There's Goof Stock Twenty twenty and the county fair cow town. That's it for this week's which typically update. Hope you'll have a great week. Let me know if you endure these updates and what you would like to hear more about during our email list. Go to our website Wichita Life Act Dot com email us at Wichita life ICT at dot com for messages on social media. Thanks have a good week.

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Elizabeth and Zechariah

The Bible Binge

58:57 min | 1 year ago

Elizabeth and Zechariah

"Hello and welcome this very special episode of the bench. I'm wondering McCoy joining us. Always someone who will never be silent for nine months Jay Golden Way ever ever ever. Here's the deal. The Bob into the show where we take stories from the Bible and recap them as though they were a movie. Booker T.. Show and we say maybe Booker T. V.. Show because that's what we usually be on our show about pop culture the podcast but Knox and Jamie where we talk about. Popular Culture Sacrilege every Wednesday and before we begin which Harvey Clear that the Bible Bench has no agenda. The shows wasn't meant to be evangelical or have A. Sarah think that the Bible has some supernotes stories. I want to talk more about them a voice that is more every man or every woman the conversation that will take place in sub sodas meant to be more more casual not out of disrespect. What in an effort to better understand the story? This particular episode is the final episode in season that we dedicated to stories about God. Making people do weird things. You know what we'll be back sooner than you realize so make sure you get every installment of every even by heading straight to wherever you listen to podcast. Subscribe to the bobble bench plus get to follow along with on instagram twitter at the Bible Binge and finally here at the Bible Binge. We urge you to love others as you love yourself and share the Bible Bench on Social Media and if you WanNa fall long ago the main biblical scripture this story will cover is luke one versus five through eight will do some reservation in there but a lot of that real talk Bible Verse Are Jamie Was Burn Some incense on this episode. You get it. I do get it but I feel like we're not pre so. Are we qualified. Maybe we are sort of like priests near in greased errands in here. She's nodding her head no not affirmation all right so we're diving back into the new tech. It's a lot of time in the New Testament this season. People are gonNA look up and we're just going to be a full blown. All New Testament season probably season eight. But eventually yes. It's going to shock you but this episode is is all about Elizabeth and Zachariah who. It's perfect timing because we're in the Christmas holiday season. This is a very Christmas holiday. Jas Story so that we're talking about them. Yeah and I think it's a good fitting Wrap up on the season because this is certainly a weird thing. God meet someone do. It's a weird Flex what's that got had on the situation in honor in pursuit of I don't know a bigger more meaningful event that was coming so there's a nice punctuation on this very weird season that we've been talk about that's right so first up we have Araya. He is a priest he someone whose responsibilities like he would have just been like offering sacrifices taking care of the temple. There were thousands of priests at this time in this area But he and he was one of them he is a descendant of Aaron. Who of course the first high priest of Israel we talked about him in in a previous season and he from the tribe of Levi as always Jews trace their ancestry back to one of Jacob's twelve sons his is Levi and his Hebrew name? Means Y'all way remembers which is going to be very telling in this episode Now so more by casting passing Zachariah I was thinking I think where went awry without thinking of someone who looked like they didn't speak much so I got hung up on some older fellas. I was Kinda circle and like being right. I like him a lot too but I thought what would be. More interesting is an older character. Who if they are spoiler if third third to lose their speech for a prolonged amount time? It'd be a big deal okay. So I've landed on someone who offer which talking and speaking historically throughout their Kerr has been very important thing as Regis Philbin. How do you feel about that? Oh my gosh. I love that one he sold. He's very old. He's like eight and Zachariah is also pre old. Yeah yeah we need old enough. You know because guys like if it's coming down to we're going to have some conversations about fertility if you're coming down to like a Lotta guys look king has had a lot of babies sure in his sixties is still. We're going strong like out Baldwin. I think five children under six. And he's in his sixties. which seems crazy? You gotTa have somebody old enough that like no seriously no baby. Yeah it's just not going to happen and that they would happen would be like a lull. That's an avid right. So I'm excited. That's a good choice. Well our next character is his wife. Elizabeth Elizabeth is married to Zachariah. She is also older in age past what feels like childbearing age What I love? Is that her name means. My God is an oath which I love Elizabeth because my name is Beth and we are actually in our family all the women have version of the name Elizabeth and their name for this vary Elizabeth. Okay that's cool. Not because she is the first Willer. She's the first person who ever recognized asked Jesus as Lord okay. My Mom's name is Elizabeth. I'll are your basically the coolest part has ever So Elizabeth This is I've always really liked asked the character of Elizabeth a because she plays the pivotal part in saying landscape for Jesus by carrying John but also Kind of gets off easy in the story. I think yeah and Elizabeth is left to interpret. So I wanted to savvy person and if we follow through with the savage template of using morning television I thought we should also further pursue that line of thinking. So for me. I I think I like the idea of Elizabeth as Gayle King Kill King is the delight the light and a treasurer and to all who are probably one of the more underrated morning. TV personalities of Alzheimer's. She's actually. I've I've watched many interviews with that. She has done. Not Everybody's good morning I don't think Jenna Bush Hager pretends to be like like a hard hitting journalist. Sure but I do think Al King Goes. I'm a good journalist so I'm going to ask hard questions Shinzo. I'm GonNa do good work here. Plus Listen Elizabeth and the story has to be second fiddle a little bit to marry her and she's got to be cool with this. You gotta be cool with that. Gail has a long history of being cool to being the second banana. That's right that's right. What's the saying like if No one cares who gets credit so much can be done and I think that applies here for care and I didn't finally someone who will appear in the story. Obviously we'll have Mary Mary. We cast in a previous season. Viola Davis will see her in this episode but also of course our our beloved Gabriel. That's right Somebody who earned a little time out from US personally a couple months ago. Yeah and I think. Luckily we didn't. This wasn't this is just for us. We didn't intentionally do this. Had A couple of What you would if our parents is in the season but actually turned out to be the JC so like Our friend Gabriel. Who's playing our friend Kid rock WHO's playing Gabriel? Didn't get to shine the season like you would have thought he could have. But I think now we're ready to welcome him back. I walk in a big way because there's a big. There's a big showcase. The Bible does mention lots of angels on sometimes. There are literally tens of thousands of Tom. But they're only two in the Bible able who are named and that is Gabriel and Michael. And Gabriel talks to three people and two of them are in this episode's right. It's a big showcase for him and again if if her new listener we've talked about this for you might be thinking. Why Kid Rock? That's kind of strange. It's because the The occasion of of an angel visiting someone in the Bible is described as terrifying and very scary very often. People who are visited by angels are left with Physical sickness and we thought who better to impose that on upon people than a kid rock thing is always as a little bit of like from the person that's interacting with kid rock going way would like Gabriel issue was sometimes disbelief. People very right to say I think he's over three. I think everyone's just like what I don't believe. What are you talking about? Hey guys this is Knox and Jimmy from the future. We have time traveled back to you. Because as we're living in the future obviously and in Our Future Kid rock component of our episodes of fixture An Angel of the Lord Lord only in name only in name only. Let's just say he's acting Super Angelic right now. so In this episode. You're GonNa hear pass Knox and Jamie talk a lot about kid rock but please forgive the error of their ways because they didn't know what he was going to get up to he's become I mean Jimmy. Would you agree. He's a little like he's already been a little problematic. Listen He's been problematic in terms of stirring the pot. He's always like to start the pie. Sure it's not unusual. Ever since those pictures and Cheryl Claro it's been like put the picture away hidden away in. The picture was bad in in like a problematic personality and he's been acceptably problematic. I think maybe in pictures and it's like and he's drunk when he does it it. It's just not. We're not interested in that person which is listened. This is the risk we take when casting because people are human if the frailty of humanity that's right I don't know tell. Oh you so What we're GONNA do is we're going to re think this whole casting Angel the Lord while we do When we talk talk about dangerous Lord and we talked about kid rock and several? We want you to think about is a lot. We want you to think of what I think. I've lied is now angel. Lord play by Dutch shepherd. And he's here sure he's doing his thing. Hopefully crystal can keep Doug Sheppard and lawn. I think she can. I think she can. And I think that's what we WANNA do. I think that's acceptable. Way Kidneys Anna little spoiler no angel Lord in Season Eight okay. So that's good to know. Okay so okay. We've messed this up enough. We're using timelines butterfly effect etc.. I'll go back to the regular episode. We'll do like been ruled boon blue. That's how time travel works. That's annoys you clean every time travel like I have okay so back to the episode all right so this episode just to bring us into context we. This episode is coming out on the second Sunday of advent. Now you may have heard about bent because lots of retailers they make these advent calendars that start on December first and they have those teeny tiny goodies to open each day until Christmas. And and don't get it twisted. Those are wholly but in religious circles. Evan is the period of the four Sundays before Christmas. The start date shifts each year but this year it also begins on December December. First now we did a whole season on advance. Go back if you haven't listened to season for which focuses on the birth of Jesus but we do talk a lot about Mary. Joseph and kid rock so today we are in the New Testament section of the Bible but for a second. Let's reflect back on the Old Testament so the ultimate is divided into three parts their narrative books wisdom books and profit books now spoke through prophets. The last prophet book in the Old Testament is Malachi so inbetween Malachi and the New Testament. There's about four hundred years have passed and do not have a fresh word from God. And so we're picking up at the end of that four hundred years now. Remember four hundred years if you're like a long time. Yeah that's like twelve to thirteen. Generations have passed for example the pilgrims arrived on Plymouth rock four hundred years ago from today. Okay wow so now today today like maybe today it depends on your list. You don't know it could be cavs sixteen twenty times a contract. Don't make us do this. And you're not a historical scholar. When did they arrive on with him? But at the time it also remember haired the greatest king he rules Judea Samaria and Galilee basically as a police state historian said that Jesus was essentially born into a third world context under a military Dictatorship Rome has a son. Herod the great as this King of this local area which is basically mostly Jews Syria Ten percent of of the population is noble and ninety percent are carrying the weight for the ten percent to keep them wealthy to keep them well off and so people are up to their ears. And even Jews are factions and groups like the Pharisees and the seas and the zealots and so even within their own community everybody's fractured. So this is a very tough moment of Dartmouth in the in the history of it's very fraught and I think I think it's a fair statement to say. Messiah talk was rampant. There are a lot of pretenders there are a lot of people presuming and a proposing themselves as Messiah so the idea that context feeding to the story is particularly interesting because Uh We must assume a lot of those were self-imposed titles he just a guy who was like in the fair. I think that was a pickup line. I saw cross my macaroni caroni and I think on the Messiah now girl so you WanNa go out but none of them had that kid rock. Bollywood Hey guess what it is is is is the kiss of destiny. So why don't we get directly into the text because there is a lot of tax cuts hug about in today's episode so starting out Luke One verse five. In the days of haired King. Today there was a priest Zachariah of the division of Aba. I don't know maybe. And he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron and her name was Elizabeth and with righteous for God walking blameless and all the community and statues of the Lord Word but they had no child because Elizabeth was born and both were advanced in years. Do you think now Lucas a doctor. Luke is writing this book blue. Okay Okay Lucas. Note New Testament. Dr Patrick Quinn met. I don't want to share my man like take blood. Maybe like I duNNo. Bat Back. Tradition said that Zachariah could have divorced her to marry baby mamas because to not have a kid was a big deal. Sure because it most people thought we've been cursed by God because there's something wrong with you you're a bad person like Zachariah pre so it's feel like this was like well Elizabeth. Well No. You're not wrong and that was like a note because I don't know there's maybe Eric can speak more to this. But if you have a kid I feel like it wasn't always like him is a her. I don't know let's figure it out. I think it was always just like it's her. She's the problem I mean. Hello if he's redes- filled with eighty-eight it could be. I could look no shade regis. He doesn't seem particularly fertile. In this moment right. And that's okay. You're not supposed to be eighty eight. Did you know because you mentioned earlier. We mentioned him here in this. I do you know who is a distant relative of no come on we may have referenced in our last episode. Mystery saw himself interesting. I did not know that that's interesting. Two roads diverged twin. Would big time interesting okay. I say now while he was serving as priests for God when his vision was on duty according to the customer the priesthood. He was chosen by to enter the Temple of Lord and burn incense so this is saying stuff modern context. I don't really know what this is like. It feels like something important happening. But I don't really know the extent of the importance so he's going into the priests would go into the holy of holies and he would burn incense so it's like a fragrance to God and this is like during the time of prayer and their thousands literally. This was twice a year right so this was thousands of priests and it. It lasts a week. There are thousands of priest. So you have to do a lottery to figure out who gets to be the priest who gets to light the infant so it's actually quite the luck of the God God Almighty it. It'd be because I've never been to me. This was always kind of glossed over and it was like he did a thing and then stuff happened. I saw anywhere from up to twenty thousand priests were involved in this and I think like I put in context like I can understand. This'll be like Working for Amazon. And someone being like. Guess what you've won the right to shine. Jeff bezos is bald head. It's you this year. It's the biggest deal. Thank you so much like singing. The role national anthem. It's a very big deal. Also because it's God like it is literally God it's like the preeminence of your whole way of life. You're the guy this year well and you. No people were like God is doing the lottery. Yeah these are these are people who really would be like. Oh I must be really important. Yeah US and so if you think about it. They might have this reputation of if if you've been cursed that's why you have a kid. This is like a big so I would think for their family. This is already like a big win. Because they're constantly having to deal with the shame of not having a baby. Yeah we're sending a camp is something going on. This is like a big win for the family to be like wait. Wait Yeah I get to be the guy. This is such a big deal. My Man's American idol this year. So that's a big deal so so don't forget that feeds into like the importance of this story is my favorite part about. The holidays is reconnecting with family. I love swapping stories and relieving moments together but keeping these memories alive can be hard. That's why I'm giving my family the most meaningful gift this year just story worth guys. My Dad did story worth a couple years ago and it is one of my most treasured possessions. Because in ways that he's never ever talked about his past or his life he did in story worth story worth is an online service. That helps your loved. 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The Lord the Sweet Sweet Kid rock standing on the right side of the altar of Incense Johnson commentaries. There were like secretary wires right prion and they opened his eyes and POW kid rock in your face. Imagine like is he's probably nervous. He wants to do a good job. He's actually like communing with God and he was trying to do his best because this is a lot on their family. He can't mess up because really if something goes wrong in the holy of holies it's on the pre. Nobody's like God did a bad screw. That up Zachariah did that. So you know he's got to be like freaking the freak out and then you hear someone humming like put your picture away with Sheryl L.. Crow is a deep cut kid rock reference hope. Everyone enjoyed that as much as I did. US over. Twelve in Zachariah was troubled when he saw him in. Fear fell upon him as does confronted with a kid rock but the angel said do not be afraid Zachariah for your prayer has been heard your wife and Elizabeth will bear your son. You shall call his name John and you'll have joy and gladness and many will rejoice at at his birth for he will be great before the Lord. Okay so biggest legalized life. Probably this prayer. He's been praying I don't even and it's not even like a prayer. Maybe it's like just a essenes of existence. Yeah I've you WanNa kid you just. He's wanted a kid you know for for this time in this place on. What who he is? He's wanted this thing and then suddenly on the biggest day of your life you have an ain't an angel. Yeah be like. Hey you're going to get all of that and also so many people we're GONNA be happy. He's going to be great for the Lord we're GonNa have his name and all that stuff. How do you think this changes? How do you think this speaks into the spirit of Zachariah and the spirit of who he is in this moment? Well I think in this moment it's like I can't explain this. Although he would have reference scriptures were stuff like this has happened. But it's so different when and like I have. I have references of people telling me that ghosts are real. But if I'm like in my house and a ghost walks into the living room I'm not like well. It finally happened to me. I've seen ghost hunters but if it goes came slime accounting and start talking to me this. I think he's an educated guy like he he's just like you're just going through the motion of this thing and he's all. This is focused on this really important and this is like I'm old right. And maybe this is the onset of when old people get weird as we'll have his old people. This is not a good time for me. It's not in the head spe says I just think it would just be like if you were driving to your wedding on. It's such an important day and then you had a car wreck. Yeah and then a ghost came onto the interstate. And you're like what Papa Roach appeared to you as it goes like this is not real so I just don't think he's in the head twice to be like. Oh my gosh. This is amazing. Yeah there's been no angels speaking to anybody in hundreds of year and this is your Atlanta Workman like this is your line of work. And you've never had that but I think there's an interesting commentary to that of The timing of the appearance given Who He is and what he's doing at this moment that's really important? So continuing verse. Fifteen and he must not drink wine. It's speaking of What will become John The baptist? He must not drink wine or strong. Drink you'll be filled with the Holy Spirit even from his mother's womb and he will turn in many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God he will go before him in spirit and power of Elijah Bloom. That's a big name. Big Name to shoot. Can we talk about that for second people listening like that just like a guy or is that like boom the biggest thing you could hear Elijah's like their favorite guy late because they can reason through although David don't talking to David carries a lot of ways sure people but David carries an ancestrally. Elisa is like a superhero. Yeah that really. It's like he was amazing. Yeah and he was so good at the people and he was a rock star that like took names and kicked as it's like if you did cross fit and then kid rock appeared to you and said you're going to have a son on who also just crossed elise you'd be like. Oh my gosh this is this is a big moment for me right So continues to turn the hearts of John The baptist who turn the hearts? The fathers to the children and the disobedient the wisdom of the just to make ready for the Lord of people prepared so two things have happened a you're going to have a kid period big deal a super super old regis Philbin also This guy is going to play an incredible role. Not just like an with eternal implications but specifically to who your belief system your cultural heritage to that like it's going to he's going to be the guy that introduces the guy. Yeah and you have waited for hundreds of years for for who has been prophesied right like you're waiting for this. The very thing to make ready for the Lord at people prepared. And you're like Oh my gosh is the Messiah Lake you bet again. You're on your way to your wedding on the interstate with a flat tire. And you're like I'm sorry Papa Roach. I'M GONNA to like disagree with you so I just think it's too many amazing things he's saying all at once. There's a lot happening for Zachariah. So I think understandably we get to verse eighteen which he there will be some consequences. Diverse verse eighteen sharp. But I do as we go into understand it to an extent so as I said today angel to Kid Rock He says how shall I know this for. I am an old man and my wife is advanced in years So I I understand the response. Sure I don't know that. Gabriel is understanding in A. Do wish we'll get to verse. Nineteen Verse Nineteen and Angel Answered Him. I'm Gabriel I stand in the presence of God I was sent to speak to you to bring you the good news. And behold well before we get to twenty to bring you good news this is. This isn't really Sassy but I I would have enjoyed assassin. My Gosh it feel Sassy me like. I'm nine Gabriel. Daniel Gabriel didn't understand although the Nimbus around like there's a Michael and Gabriel an I'm the gay by the other Guy Rain Green and he's like `I stand in the presence of good. I do wish like guy. You're right Zachariah like I'm an angel. I was like divinely naturally. Say here sure but you raise some good points or super. Gosh I can see it now. You're so old. What part of the good news that you are you not on board with your skin? Looks like Public Fried Chicken so let me go back. Let me just double check my facts here my guy. He's not how it's just so funny to be like I'm not having this like a have uh-huh like here good Thomas and he's like he's going to be super pumped he said no like he did he have to have and I just think Gabriel although he's only we only no inscription that he talks to three people I firmly believe Gabriel had tons of conversations. Like this where he was like. I swear to God I serve What does no one believe? Leave me when I talked. Maybe that's why we only get three Gabriel's maybe it's the Larry. The Angel we brought up in a couple of episodes ago maybe he got so for twenty and behold you'll be so we so this Gabriel uh-huh Acura this is the consequences Agra kind of doubting and behold you will be silent unable to speak until the day that these things take place. Because you did not believe my words which will be fulfilled in their time and the people were waiting for Zachariah and there are wondering has delay in the temple and when he came out he was unable to speak to them and they realize that he had seen a vision in the temple and he kept making science. It's them and remained mute and it's time service ended. He went to his home so probably not how he thought this was going to go no. Am when he comes out and they're like are we ready and any like Like yeah I'm really could even make a sound. I saw in some Commentaries they said he probably was not just mute in Utah. Death couldn't here as well see. I don't buy that. I like the adult by that mainly because I I want to talk about that more later when we get to the people making answer picture because I don't I don't buy like why would he. They say he was deaf. If it doesn't say he was deaf. I'm done with scholars. Oh making stuff. Oh Spicer take what's what's up. I'm just saying I don't understand why they were like. Why wouldn't it say that? He was death unless he was dad. Who knows you guys? We just gotTa keep our scholars including Bible scholar. Air GotTa Watch them. You've got to keep an eye on and you've got to watch them so verse twenty four and it will complete this first section after these days Zachariah Wife Elizabeth conceived in for five months. She kept herself hidden saying thus the Lord has has done for me in the days when he looked on me to take away my reproach among people there's a big gap here Where we spent so much time on Zachariah like big special day right? Hey that we don't get Elizabeth not only learning that she's going to give birth to this very special person but also That her husband can't speak They implications nations out. That there's probably a little part of her. That's like I don't hate it like maybe maybe we're now a little bit more about Elizabeth. Sure Yeah but I do love that she I think it's a reminder of what a big deal it was for her to get pregnant because it's not just that she couldn't have the baby that she very much probably wanted. Yeah right but it was that to not have the baby all of the shame and all of the skill because culture. I mean there are probably literally people who are like you know if you just like clean out your camp. Yeah probably get pregnant. And we'd already been told at the beginning of the these are people who walked blameless in the statues of Lord so there's gotTa be an irritation there to gayle king is going to be like there are. There's no cleaning in the camp. We are good people. I'm on point here Ed. But their whole lives have been spent and they're much older now. Their whole lives have been spent and their descendants of like Erin like good people good ancestral lineage. And even at that point Which I think is important that you're making Zachariah? You know technically culturally. He has this failure but he's also this priest who like got to win the lottery lottery. Yeah fashionably doesn't have that down. It's like this was kind of her thing and she's not doing it so it's kind of a frustration so understand that like Atar what do you think for five months months. She kept herself hidden. What do you think that was about? I don't know I don't know that's a good question. Like part of it is will this come through it. Made me think that there had been seasons in their lives where she might have had a miscarriage let she because it doesn't say like I said she was barren but like does that mean she wasn't able to give birth or 'cause I've had friends my mom. My mom had five miscarriages and she said she lost one at five months and she said one of the things that was so hard about that was that it was the most hope we'd ever had and then it was dashed and she's always like and then we got pregnant with you. What a gift got it? But I oh I think there's a component of like I'm just GonNa hold this as Mon because I I WANNA make sure I don't WanNa go down the road with everybody here right and and to know that like. She probably didn't know she was pregnant. Like immediately you know and it's not like now you can go get your you go pee on your tash or toilet like I'm pregnant. Got It but like I think she just and it was like this is mon.. Yeah have waited so long for this and I'm not going to share this with anybody right now. That's interesting yeah I. I don't know if Aaron has anything on that but it'll interesting to hear a little more about. She does a quick break to talk about one of our incredible sponsors belay. 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Use Coupon Code Code bobble binge to start your free trade today at go minnow. That's M. I.. And in O dot com. Okay back to the show next. We get the birth of Jesus. So we're going to get six months later. So Elizabeth is six months pregnant entering her third trimester. Gabriel shows back up. He was to Mary's. He's house now. Mary is related to Elizabeth. Just funny I always thought they were cousins. Do you know that there's no reference to the being cousin. What are they they just as they're related but like the King James version mentioned cousins but like the word the original Greek word is just related? Okay so I don't know how I feel about that but I like that they're VI cousins that makes clarifies it. We feed her cousins so but it just as they're related like maybe they're like step sisters cousins roommates uncles. It's great so so. Gabriel goes to Mary. He says the same staff. Do not be afraid. You're awesome God thinks so to. You're going to have a baby. His name will be Jesus. I love the Gabriel shown up with names too. He's like this is not going to be complicated. No have the baby know myself like I am endlessly. God's going to give him the throne of David and Mary said I'm a virgin. So we get a Mary response and we talk about this season four episode one at length this whole passage but I like again Miri. It's more like Hey Zac he says like how shall I know this. He not how this happened. Just how shall I know this and Mary's like I'm a virgin. So hers is a more practical. Like how's this going to work. Not that she is like downing it. No but it's more like what are the logistics of this immediately. You know that that's the heart of her question because a meal he launches into the logistics of how it's going to happen he does does and I feel like we did a good job talking through that in that. So but particularly with the context in the Ceremony of this story. I think that's a great question because when I came across cross I thought I wonder why Greg punished. Emiri didn't yeah that doesn't make sense to me because he just looks like how will I know. Yeah and when I when I looked into a little bit it it was like a Mary. There was no precedent for a a virgin woman getting pregnant and having birth or giving birth to supernatural. DD just not happening. That does happen. A lot still doesn't doesn't have you guys want to know. This may be the only one but we I mean who knows a hold of a can of worms But I like riot. There was precedent for what he was talking about him. You'll testament who has like the Goat priest of that year. Who won the priest lottery? He should've known that and that was kind of why he got punished with it. And I think this one. I didn't see this anywhere and Aaron can feel Oh free to rebuke me about this but I do think maybe there is an age or cultural component to like Zebra was a priest functioning pries. Mary's just a girl here you know she probably knows her history and our legacy the cultural legacy but she's not a pre. She's not in this role. Like I should know everything about what I believe so I do think there's more grace for that. No I think you're exactly right. I love that and I love that when she pauses to ask I bet Gabriel was like I swear. Don't don't do it here. Even doubt she didn't and so he was like. Oh Oh don't worry about it. The Holy Spirit will come upon you and you'll have the son of God and pf Elizabeth this pregnant too. Because got dope it fertility. So Mary says okay okay. Mary visits Elizabeth Verse Thirty Nine where he picked back up in those days. Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country town Judah and she entered the house Zachariah and greeted read it Elizabeth and when Elizabeth her degrading of Mary the baby leaped in her womb and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and she exclaimed with a loud cry blessed. Are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your name so I love that in this moment like someone just comes over and suddenly you're baby is like like maybe hasn't twisted twisted and turned and now it is and immediately the Holy Spirit gives her all the knowledge of like. Oh Yeah. Mary is pregnant and she's pregnant with a son of God. Yeah how are you if you're Mary in that moment like I just think I picture rial being like gale. How'd you know all that Lake you know and I think that's like secretly a really simply beautiful moment of Mary when you think about the Occasion of her pregnancy and the insecurity. And probably some of the doubt and like You know at some of the documented like there are people who are like that's shady that you that she's pregnant and Joseph you're out there To Fill Elizabeth with the Holy Spirit to know exactly what to say to her to acknowledge that and it'd be like I know that this is cool. I know that this is ordained like I thought implicit Luksa like God. Mary Phil Really Cool like text. But but you can see that you can interpret them especially because you're thinking well I'm I'm pregnant and a have not had sex but everyone's going to think I've and I'm engaged and that means I'm probably not going to get to stay engaged gauge and then when the holy the Holy Spirit says Oh. NPS If you need a mentor. Elizabeth is pregnant. Because you have this much older woman this much younger woman. Yeah and it's like they're kindred spirit and she's your cousin's brother's roommates uncle and you know her lab verse Verse Forty Three. and and why is the screening to me that the mother of the Lord to come to me for behold when the sound of your greeting came to my ears the baby in my womb leap for joy and blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what what was spoken to her from the Lord that feels like Zachariah shade and Blissett is the one who did talk to Gabriel and believed leave it as opposed to my husband. Who now I have to speak to everybody on his behalf because he still can't speak? Yeah six months later still not a word and I don't. I'm not smart enough to make the case but I do think there is a I don't know a motif established here of women being more savage Jesus than men you I know it. How dare you? I know it's crazy talk. I know but it starts here and look at the right guy to write about it. Lucas always the one in his Gospel as opposed to Matthew Mark. John He writes all about the people who are outliers out past he esteems women in his writing in a way that none of the other like Matthew and the telling of the story is all about Joseph the whole time and then it's like Oh. Yeah Mary Mary's her to go. I Really Have Luke's Gospel for that. Right yeah bet so. Mary does after through this. Whole exchange with Elizabeth? She'd literally does leap into Song. She writes it's called the magnificant and just as a summary my favorite. WE'RE NOT GONNA sing it. You don't want to sing it. You made me how do you. What do you think the song is the theme? Is it more Arianna Guerande more billy islands like show crow. If if we're if we're continuing the kid rock idea so versity. When he has shown strength moves arm he scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts? He's brought down the mighty from their thrones ends and exalted those of Humble State so a reminder. Mary is living in this military dictatorship. Do and seize the hope. uh-huh is now literally within her. Yeah it's a really it's a really beautiful thing and so it says in verse six. Mary remained with her about three months and return her home. So she stays with her her her last trimester -versities have never time came for Elizabeth to give birth and she bought Sun and her neighbors and relatives heard that the Lord had shown great mercy to her and they received with her and on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child as was tradition and they would have called him Zachariah after his father but his mother answered no he shall be called John and they said to her. None of your relatives is called by the same. I red wine commentary. That said this would be like if you named your child Spiderman If you were like no his name is not Zachariah. It's spiderman its aunt man. Common like everybody's name and so it'd be like I'm sorry is like she's older age it's like she hysteria she okay. Probably not owning to her and so They made San's to his father. This fair I get that. You're probably right that he might have been a death but I did understand why they were making it was like it's like you know when people say that they're like you realize a person maybe is blonde. Yeah and then you talk loud inexplicably. For some reason. I felt about these stupid people who have not okay with John. I got mad at them. Irrational yeah passage and your role. Bro Bro are you cool with fighter man and they enquired what he wanted him to be called and he asked for a writing tablet which that's the first time I was like what is a writing tablet and like but when my the cultural background study Bible said that it would have been a wooden board with wax on it. Okay which 'cause there's not like a bic pen yeah so this is probably a long process process quick. Oh yes right. Is John Right but this is not a win. Loser draw situation and so he asked for writing tablet and he wrote his name Mr on and they all wondered not like wow but like what are these people were so weird and immediately his mouth was opened and his tongue loosed and he spoke blessing. God Odd because he learned his freaking like he's not stupid Dow and versus five and fear came on all their neighbors. And all these things we've talked about through all the Hill Country of Judea and all who heard them laid them up in their heart. Saying what then will this child for the hand of the Lord was with him and then it's like I wrote a song and he really great song and he's like God is doing a new right. Just exactly like the Prophet Right. So DC talk. That's the cover of talk and even like like it's Kinda weird that we forgot about. It's been four hundred years but guys doing the very thing he say he was gonNA do. Not Super Awesome and then he does a little verse to his baby. And he's he's like you baby. Johnny also awesome. You're a trailblazer for your cousin. Jeez and so. It's really neat to hear verse. Eighty and the child grew and became strong in spirit and he was in the Wilderness until the day of his public appearance to Israel witch. If you're looking for like a debut on the scene out forward to the day that we do you all about chapter three of Luke because John the Baptist comes arms aflaid one. That is quite an intron to the store violin. He also probably uh-huh so I've always thought about. This was hot but I do the somehow genus. Yeah Yeah I mean you know it happens it happens so that leaves us with like loosen. It's weird all the way around the fact that Zachariah was like I'm a priest and I don't believe yeah and now I can't speak for six months. That's a weird thing. That's the weird thing. That Gabriel appear to women told them what was up and the two more like or not to women. I'm sorry that that Gabriel appeared to see people told him what was up forecasted tuneless important Gordon Bursts in the New Testament where things happening you know just speaking. That's weird but like sometimes you lose the weirdness not witness in a pejorative term but just awareness legs going on really old people get pregnant and then this really young girl who's never had sex is going to grade. This is a lot of weird pregnant impregnating going on in the story. Okay so let's do a support of Rabbi Jamie. Who is in the story WHO's your MVP? I feel like it's a long suffering. MVP in Elizabeth. Because she is having to deal with the consequences is a husband who is in many ways the holy leader in their home rate the high priest but he himself had doubts. And it's like Nick and she's probably dealing with all the shame this barren Elizabeth's the problem. I do love it. Like Zachariah. Could've left her. Never did you know but I liked that. She's like you know what this is GonNa be mine and then when it came down to it. She's awesome because she literally is the first person in all of history recognize Jesus as the son of God and and she's a lady and so I'm always high five in the ladies for what they do in the Ministry of. Jesus that's right I agree with yours. I'm also GonNa Toss Gabriel in there. Because he's been like we saw he's been on the bench shows up. I don't know he's doing a hundred miles an hour. Maybe still in like seventy seven miles an hour. No one's really buying what he's selling. But he's consistent these persistent. He's graceful Mary which is Great. Appreciate that but even though maybe he doesn't do a great job Zachariah He makes zachariah learn the lesson. They meese alerts and he does learn. The lesson. Works works out. He does all right. Who took the biggest L. for you this goes back to Zachariah like obviously it's just a reminder that you can know all the things you can know the scriptures you can know the traditions additions you can know the staff and you can still when push comes to shove Messa? And it's he's the loser in this because like if anyone should have had faith and something crazy happening it's the guy in the holy of like you're in a room where God is. You should have a fait always hallway hoses what was your you got the lottery like over thousands of priests. You should be the guy who has a hope and faith to believe this and yet you were like wow on on out. Yeah you know if this was like a like an English one oh one class and this is just story we read it. Would like this foreshadowing the Pharisees and they're you you know what I mean. I agree with your big. Why don't we go straight to our so? What who cares our application will wrap up to the story? Okay so I love this story for lots of reasons but mostly because Zachariah have something in common I like to call it a hope. Management problem seat Zachariah had hopes he dreamed of a child and that hope was dashed at the feet of an empty nursery. Now there are things I've hoped for. I've things I've believed would happen. Things that almost tasted and then no and it might have been a job a trip a house a guy I and all those hopes were dashed at the feet of the job. I didn't love. I was stuck at home with remains in a rented house and I was single yet again but proverbs thirteen twelve says hope hope deferred makes the heartsick but dreams come true at last. There's life and Joy God's people have been waiting for hundred years for a fresh word from God. Their hearts were very much probably sick. Well maybe your heart is not as you're listening to this episode. Where can Zachariah and you and me find hope? Well I cannot promise that God will give you the thing you want even Zachariah son let them to live in the desert and spoiler he died for the cause of Christ but I can promise that God does care about what you're hoping for some some thirty seven four says take delight in Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart and the song was written by David a guy. We stayed season three who also had many hopes deferred. But what David knew was that God wouldn't just give him what he wanted but God would transform those desires to something greater that God wanted four David and that is my promise to you that God will give you the desires of your heart. Maybe a new desire maybe not the desire you have now but a new desire that he has promised he will give. That's really good My so who cares is about the idea of prayer in a story Because you don't want to talk about this we learn that Zachariah and Elizabeth they are righteous justice and a good couple. They have good ancestral lines. And they've pray for a son but we meet them. They're old in the possibility of having a son Seems to have deluded them This was interesting to me because it gets at a Complexity with prayer that I currently struggle with and frankly always have kind of Struggle with. I think there's a tendency when we talk about the Bible or Guide to to simplify incredibly complex actions we routinely say things like just fa distrusting God or pray about it when when sometimes that advice just feels cheap because like what are those things really even mean like. Do we always know precisely what they mean. Are we just parroting empty phrases because there are like a like a sort of spiritual inheritance that we just mimic when times are tough even more. How'd you have more faith struggle with belief? How do you trust in God? If you don't understand who God even is is to trust in them for me. Pray about has been one of those complicated actions that can feel like an empty word. I know I should understand prayer but I don't know that I do for a while. You know struggle with the purpose of prayer in my life is it to change. God's heart is it to change the course of my life for others lives or is it about changing my own heart. I don't really know the answer but while I don't know that I I think this story helps me take something away that I do know And that it's something that I can't apply directly to my own life when it comes to prayer when Zachariah and Elizabeth Elizabeth prayed they did it consistently and hopefully but not presumptively. We can deduce that. They weren't entitled and they weren't embittered because they're introduced to us as those righteous people that Luke mentioned agency so we know through their actions that they're doing prayer the right way the fact that their prayers were answered within the story is superfluous to the point. I'm trying to make here because sometimes you pray and you patiently wait and the answer never comes or maybe it does come but not like you think it should so my big takeaway here is about how Zachariah and Elizabeth behaved on their end of the pier experience. It's first they prayed to God by you know. They took the time to respect that process next. They prayed about something they want it. It's an honest communication about the desires of their heart. Lastly they were content with however that played out for me. There's a lot of inspiration there because I'm finding that the act afraid to God of respecting God of communicating with God and if trusting God long-term learning those behaviors has been more beneficial to me than any specifically answered prayer than ever prayed. And lastly before we go we're going to end with an accountability segment we call a gentle rebuke with our resident Bob Scholar and moon as tradition. We send this episode to Erin and she in turn replaced with her issues which will now face the music for and full disclosure. Aaron is is the CEO of our company the PODCAST Media Group. But she's also a Professional Bible Studies writer an editor and she'd been empowered and given full immunity to check our biblical towns for inadvertent sacrilege or any physical elements. We've misrepresented or misinterpreted along the way that you don't rebuke is brought to you by Mary. Magdalene never wore blue eye shadow in this new book from Amanda Hope Haley. You'll find on yourself surprised by scripture. An even more surprised by what's not in the Bible or your copy of Mary Magdalene never wore blue show wherever books are sold and now. Here's the gentle review you so the first gentle rebuke is not actually rebuke but the pilgrims came over on the mayflower on November eleventh. Sixteen twenty now. There is some drama amongst the early American scholars about which translation of the Bible came over with the pilgrims. We know for a fact that John Alden one of the crew of the mayflower flower brought over a King James version regime which resides in the pilgrim hall museum but the pilgrims weren't the first colonizers North America and the first translation was probably the Geneva Bible. The First Bible printed Ted in the new world. Wasn't Al Gong translation of the King. James okay. So did you prior to this. My favorite part in the episode. Is you start to amble down the path of when the pilgrims happens and then you quickly realized. Oh I don't know this Aaron so this is her. I don't understand why not society that this is why Aaron is and this is. She's educating me. She's the Bible scholar although the pilgrims are not in the Bible still though be it. Sure we're all spiritual pilgrims I guess. It accounts are is right next General View So. What was the role of a first century doctor or physician? If Luke was a doctor in first century Rome it definitely looked look too different from the healthcare system. We know today when the Romans conquered Alexandria they also gained access to the Great Library there which housed tons of information and research on medicine and care and they also gleaned knowledge from Greek medicinal practices Healers kind of began to move away from the idea that bad odors or night air or divine punishment was the cause of health problems This kind of came back around later but former scientific circles they were leaning out of this Idea one of the most famous Roman and doctors Kato really loved prescribing cabbage. He used it to treat everything from constipation to deafness He wanted you to liquefy it and mix mix it around with some wine which sounds tough. a guy named Gaylon who practiced around two hundred CE HE LOVES TO DISSECT APES AND PIGS. That was his bag and then a guy. My name escapades often told his patients to take either hot or cold. Bats listen to music prescribed wine for headaches and fevers and was also the first physician shen to use massage therapies. I would like for him to be my general practitioner. Now if you went to a doctor in first century Rome you might see some of their cutting edge tools also a bronze catheter. You've ULA crushing forceps for the amputation of that. Pesky you've ULA that general specula- was screw bone levers and a rectal specula- m- yeah I. Can I ask you a question. Of course. Is Aaron suggesting that Luke could be a hot doctor on gripe life anatomy because Luke feels like he secretly hot. Oh you're so wrong you're wrong. There's no way WHO's the Hottest Gospel Writer. Matthew Mark and John John from the Grassy Knoll. Sean Blonde curly hair. Though in the painting he does it feels like rosy cheeks. He's too young and he feels like he feels frail like a Momma's Mama's boy. That's why Jesus was like listen. y'All gonNa need each other because John's a week I feel like it's GonNa it's GonNa be one of the lesser known disciples roles because I feel like people. Just say you WANNA say Thomas just say no. It's not gonNA be. Thomas is definitely not Thomas Okay. I don't know maybe Bart because I feel like hot that guys when they're in serious situations that they don't mean to be there. Yeah but there's so. They're not speaking up though they know what they don't know you know what I'm saying. So he would be in the corner. Me Like this is is wow like. I didn't sign up for this but it's going down. I'm going to be here but I'm not going to be here. All the disciples were ugly. But I feel like Jesus was ugly and that's why everybody. He was like enthralled by it because they were like. Why are these hot GAAS ugly okay? So you know for the audio airs having an Aneurysm as we speak because we're post rebuke so so you're saying ugly. Jesus is running around with a lot of hot dudes around town. And that's part of the ministry miracle. Why would hot guys ragging on board with? That's why the women are financing this. Because they're into the high side with Mary Mary Martha's motivation. Obviously it's Lord in his meaningful like input in their lives. But also I guess I feel like TM TM team when you trademark this. Because I feel like lakes really quickly rattle. Satellite translate guarantees. I feel good. I got where you're going. No but we we were Similar to the first one we started talk about the role of the doctor. Like what a doctor in in the newsroom did realize we didn't know that so Aaron helps us out here very. That's this actually lake. except I don't know I don't know how Phil about the Bible Scholar Talking about I try not to think about SPECULA- MBA once a year. You don't like to invite catheters vaginal specula- in your life I do not. That's that's all. That's year journey our last interview. Okay Jamie got real fired up about Zachariah being deaf and mute. So the idea that Zachariah was death comes comes from Luke one sixty two quote than they made signs to his father to find out what he would like to name the child. Why would they have to make sense to him if he was able cool to hear them all along? He's deaf mute. Okay Jamie shots fired comment push than how. How does it say like listen? Which one is this? That's my first question. I admire your ambition just idiots. Don't we also think they were just idiots. Who like when people are we? We talked about this in the episode like when people are blind suddenly people start talking really loud. It's true it's like I'm blind right. So why like they were making sense to him. It may be. It's because I just didn't know how to communicate well with him. They forgot that he could hear. They forgot maybe she so definitive about he was deaf mute. You can't trust the scholar. 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Episode 267: Kevin Parker On His Run For New York

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Episode 267: Kevin Parker On His Run For New York

"Do deep trust to keep watch over. The city's billions i'm jared murphy from city limits. Dot org my broadcast brother. Ben max is off tonight from gotham gazette dot com saw. Be taking you through the full hour ba talking to two of the candidates running to be the men or the people who watch over the city's billions of dollars in spending an assets and debt people running for the job of city comptroller as i mentioned at the outset. We're talking about Who we're going to trust to keep watch over. The city's billions of dollars. The city's number three job is that of city comptroller and sure it sounds boring. Nobody grows dreaming to be controller. But i've often thought that it's about the best job in the city because of the kind of vast powers has that particular kinds of authorities and interest the comptroller can exercise so the comptroller is like the city's official accounted he or she can audit all the agencies in the city of remember the agencies in the city. Spend some eighty eight billion dollars a year. So that's a lot to audit. Those audits can raise. Financial questions can also raise policy questions about you. Know the efficiency and effectiveness of the steps that the city is taking. It's an important very important check on the mayor's power in that way the comptroller also registers contract so as you know a lot of the city's work is not done by but by contractors whether it's human services or building a road or doing consulting work to figure out how the board of elections run better. Or what have you and those contracts total seventeen billion dollars a year seventeen thousand contracts. The controller can register those or not register. Those can block contracts to a degree. That's a tremendous amount of power also overseeing. The city's pension funds the five funds for police and firefighters and teachers and everybody else together compose one of the largest investment funds in the world has a lot of power as an investor deduce shareholder activism Divests from something like firearms or tobacco or fossil fuel related industries. It's a big deal. That's twenty five billion dollars under control in the comptroller's day to day. Overseer of those has a lot to do with the priorities that those pension funds pursue economic forecasting managing the debt if more than seven hundred employees and he operated big policy shop to recent lists of weighed in a different policy issues suggested plans for housing for childcare for dealing with homelessness. You name it of the council is in a position to make those suggestions and frankly not actually execute them. Because they're not. The mayor said they get to kind of sit back. And critique and suggest improvements and use the power of the city's pursestrings to achieve his or her own policy ends And that's a reason why the job is coveted by many people who are seeking a step up from the city council or borough presidency or other offices and it's also why many people who seek that office end up becoming mayor or running for mayor a beam was a comptroller Jay golden who ran for mayor. Alan have the see bill thompson and of course the current comptroller scott stringer's running for mayor the only one in that mix who did not was halston and she ran for the. Us set it. So that's pretty important office too so it say A big big job and an important one and one of the jobs that is on the docket for twenty twenty. One scott stringer as i mentioned running for mayor that's because he is term limited and so there are four people in the race as of now democratic primary in june which as you know in many races in new york city is tacit election. We don't know if there will be republican race if they did run. It's unlikely they would have much of a chance of winning. But the people will be hearing from today. Our senator kevin parker of brooklyn and city council member. Brad lander also of brooklyn They are joined in the race. By state senator bryan benjamin and has been david weapon. Those two candidates have been booked for our show on january twenty seven so two weeks from today and we'll be hearing from them then and obviously next week on the twentieth. Focusing more on inauguration stops which hopefully it will be peaceful and smooth. But we'll be ready for whatever comes our way. So we're hearing from senator kevin parker He is a democrat. He's represented the twenty first district in brooklyn since two thousand three so a veteran of albany veteran of the years too many years in the wilderness when democrats were in the minority than briefly in the majority Particularly well Back the minority now. Of course our very strong and fairly progressive supermajority in the state senate but kevin parker's looking to leave office and become the city's number three official. He is the chairman of the committee on energy and telecommunications and we'll be hearing a few moments switching to get him on the phone. Kevin parker senator from brooklyn is on the line. So welcome to maximum murphy. Hey mackey murphy you just murphy today but thanks for how are you. I'm good glad to hear that Let's dig into a den because we don't have too much time with you and it's a big job and he's got a lengthy career lot to dig into You are a state senator. You have been for many years. What do you feel about this job of comptroller. Do you feel it requires a set of qualifications. Different from other offices foam from being a mayor. Desert require some level of financial savvy. And that's something you bring to the table. Yeah you know a number of years. I've actually been in the state. Senate eighteen years. And i'm the majority whip involved the seminar energy and communications committee and i absolutely think that being city controller does bring a responsibility around a specific set of understanding about finances and and and you know understanding of finances the municipal finance her particular. Anybody who knows finance necessary understand municipal finance You know before. I got elected to the state senate work for paying whatever Doing both government affairs and ms will finance worked worked in the state office. Macomer call As that'd be direct their government affairs. And since i've been in state senate. I've been eighteen years in the finance committee Over ten years on the banking committee the insurance committee and so the issues around revenue. Projections around auditing Around managing the pension fund. Things that in my wheelhouse talk about your time in albany as you mentioned almost two decades much of that time in the minority when obviously it was difficult i'm sure to get legislation passed but when you look at your time there. What do you see as your top accomplishments. Well what do we begin right. i think i think some of it has been you know my top accomplishment the political accomplishments. I'm i'm part of literally. Four people whipped. I've been on the minority. The majority and i think that political understanding Of what it takes to us tweet place where people thinking leading into. When i got elected you know eighteen years ago of senator. You're fading in and out a bit. i don't know if you're if you're traveling or donna. Our end center we may have lost the senator

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#82 - Brooklyn In Braces!

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#82 - Brooklyn In Braces!

"Taylor all sittings. Oh everybody welcome back to number eighty two of the swing man podcast ever. I'm your host jewison. Legend joined us. I am oldest on louis helping end louis. How i'm going to be breaking down everything that's been going on the nba. The poss waco sub most notably brooklyn are in some severe danger of of going out due to a couple of their stars to that might do that. Big free picking up injuries. We've a car a napkin with a sprained ankle. James autopsy tie hamstring beforehand Is room for game. Fought that he he'd come back but we'll have to wait and say A big say hoax sixes. He's now to off. The hopes wayne lost night and the clippers as well that bacteria two as well Chaps classes have been good been. I'm glad that the as much as a sixers fan. I'm glad that the hoax of agent opposite civil. I'm glad the clippers. Have of comeback in a minute to. I'm very glad that the bucks would come back until because now we've got some interesting series before and it was kind of looking at that the box the next. We're gonna sweet. The bucks car went down. And then this is transferred from here is not what you'll you'll Ya has been huge in the games series win the series of being clogged. There have been some series still white in on a good game seven. I'll believe while. Not about the against the clippers in the maps. But i'm thinking one of the semi's needs to game seven for the nba. To really the the view in numbers. That i really appreciate but one thing. I think this cloud that a little bit for me slot. It feels like what just having kate. Proper of just injury news game upon game. Whether it's i mean just off the top of my head lights cari For akari lost geiman than haunting for the majority of the stock series. We had chris. Paul was injured on the on. The the lakers series than he came back yet on the divers lebron I believe embiid mc l. Litany of injury issues. Unfortunately i think obviously the result of a In schedule bob will. Site is opened up the of the championship wife or any of these teams a lot more than it would have benefited. Almost full strength in wiltshire. That's a good thing or a bad thing. It could mean that someone who you folks Pop of wind chat lot one of those random old championships. Ducks want a couple of years ago. Feel we're in band for one of these this year which could be an interesting spin on someone's career when it's all said and done as you say the expectations full. We really got the playoffs. Were our ships going to be like has nets finals and then when the lights start making up some injuries it was all the net suggest going to win even before that all of a sudden. There's just going to be a nets taught so her really cares and we re well started. When i said it felt take into account how condensed the seasonals on how quick it come back around. And that's why you'll saying. I can't remember exactly what it was. But i think those a statistical also today though was we've had the most amount of all styles miss gains in a playoff so far this season avi would was still all the way through so that says a lot about what some of the players have been going through and why may be you see some of these other teams have more chance now than we would have given them the stall at the season as you say even with that a lot of the games. We've had have been very competitive in the gains. We've got going on now very competitive minus obviously the sons and the nuggets series. Which which is obviously finished. This on swiped him. You know jamal murray was out. So i i want to be too much about that. Did sign up for this weekend. Yeah did when when it came. I think what. I didn't think the body nuggets game for in the first place in the nuggets and the blazes is gonna get sweat the next round you monetize. Yeah the nuggets gone through utah. That you both picked the blazers utah i did lows two sons consigned for. You said the nuggets sons. Nah nah i didn't have. Although i will say i know there was one Hotly contested thing from that game. We're much being hotly contested because it was very one sided. Wolves yokich gain injected in that game. Four in the nuggets house yukon I don't know if you've seen it. I think it was a flagrant two. I think it was a flagrant one and to to make that big a cool then when the nuggets you know they were down. I anyway obviously didn't let that. We're going to go back and win. The series la was a harsh cope very harsh office. I mean i always just as important the nuggets in general to get swept to not series. Haven't jamal murray but some of the performances from someone who is opposite fake our golden shocking old series for guy. This comment that scotus kennedy moved for the season and apparently is a voice in that dressing room telling bagel to stop playing some soft spot. Full points is unacceptable for gays of this is thumbing. He's never set the world on. But you know he's better than an average pile. He's not say style. You never probably will be star. But he's a pace that was brought into denver to help pay in that so of by you'd have him. Y'all jamal murray. I'm jay golden an an an an an an an alert back gunman now you'll you'll stay with worry. There was just a reoccurring and we had to weigh out for a little while. Now is basically. Yeah he was just awful. This this is the time when you step up. And he just didn't as you say. I was disappointed with a couple. Were surf few the nuggets. Plaza kitchen is best series. Either as as i said before they don't have their second best player and the fact you know they they beat the blazes in the first round. Which is you know considering. Divy second-best player is pretty good win and then maybe they just ran out of gas saw. Don't know but i the suns team was. maybe they fold. There was a step too far anyway. Which you don't wanna see as mentality. Obviously but i would agree with. It was just a step too far for the denver team of out. Dhamar have dependent. They are on that too man. Game with with joe-marie niccolo kitchen. So he's a young kid has done really really well to carry that to after his injuries. One of the reasons he won in. Vp puffing. Like you said. Aaron golden jo frost. The guy who was probably thinking. I'm coming to be like a full slash fed option into a robbery slash. Second is just a completely different thing inauguration on but i don't think he's not gonna player. Unfortunately i eat more that like. If you're going into thinking you're the full full option. And then you have the opportunity to become the second option a pile. Sme fond of conference finals in a semi conference finals. That for any mba apply. That's going to be a good thing that pushes them on to go. Be more aggressive and do more especially if you're shouting. You're in the trusted in changing before beforehand to be more aggressive. It doesn't make sense to me already disappointing. And nothing will thing is big So much offense without jamal. Murray in i think the guy that can really alpay's offensive levels in that same anyway of For monte morris or something is marco polo during the if he makes it hard for to put him out on the floor often because he just such a liability defensively. I just can't not say when i'm watching this not entirely. His i think he does troy out. I mean to be where he is physically. Now is kinda crazy when you think about when he came into league. I think a lot of people mentioned when he was drafted he had bought. The was physical diadema saying literally the worst one. So he's done well to get to that stage based mobility and he's just just overall defensive line news Guesses the best word for is. Just not larry nothing. It really affects them. Yeah bobble sizewell to give him some credit easily see relatively young and i think he did play very well for them in that poland series. You say maybe maybe it was a step to him. Maybe the season. I had an effect on him as well as you say. He's not the greatest physically in the lake. So maybe maybe there had an effect on north shore anyway. I don't dwell on on sweeping too much. We'll talk about the The team that can potentially play they sons in the conference. Finals will move onto the jazz. The clippers Series taught it to was looking a bit road. Peacful the clippers to a to an down by size since you must spend in the nba for against it's been especially i mean we. We did a at least is wo of the donkey done last night. A kawai light as it was actually nine. I think that as the series for me the two main things in a series are paul. George and might call me for me. I assume the might kony's been arrested for these also games and will play in game five. Because if you'll too a lot going to ally does not want to risk him Be very surprised if he's not back for game five in some capacity even if he isn't hundred percent i think applying because it's not about you but when you've watched some of the full games anyway. I think the the jazz a relatively draw. I think there won't be many people arguing me without and the wia poem which donovan mitchell. Now is the crux of that team. To go out there and just school and play make is too much for him. might call knee will give him enough room and we'll give a different threat and get other people going in the game whereas on the flipside pohjola oversee. Anyone can moan at him as much so they series. The dallas area was not great. In my opinion they series. He's kind of been a lot. Better in that aspect of still one more from pohjola jodi from being on this but i think if you couple of josiah's involvement in the games as much and then you get another player on that team. Ever be reggie jackson you morris or even pat beverley. just kind of guy would now I said clip a seven before over this. And i'm quite confident in seven personally. I can't remember what i said in. But i did the clippers to win the series and i do i see where you coming from when you say is not on coalisland such purely because you know the production. You're going to get from him on a game lead basis. I would say. I'm still looking to him to be that main driving force to drag the clippers team of the lawn. Was you say you do need paul george to be giving him enough as a second option to to help him drag them over the line and he did will. Coa had a little injury. Lost game and paul. George did votes take over the mantle and get them and as you say he hasn't had a bad series issues all in this utah game so the utah series sam. I'm quietly confident that the clippers are going to be able to to there with the jazz. I do think you'll be six or seven. Cyber are pay the clippers to win. Yeah think the Suster little bit from those first two games whereas the gone a little bit smaller paying terrence mann which they should have done in the previous series. Also wanna say mesa Qanon adela why. They gave him so much money in the off. Season to use him sparingly for this entire season basically always not a big class on the defensive so anyway but he gives them a little bit of extra shoot in extra score. And that's why. I think nine eight because sometimes i'll just start really lot. Look their offense. It gives me the vibes Hate box and we'll get onto the bucks Oxygen very good offense. And i'm not sure about you too. I just dumping Very good match with one another I think the skill sets a kind of similar. And i thought i just don't think that complements each think nigh so of coverage chavez witnesses in that sense. They're not very good pie because fisa of bringing rhonda's as much as a big fan of when they might buy finesse. Really don manchanda. He's been playing that much anyway. And then reggie jackson just isn't that gone so yeah. I do think as well that the clippers will win. Bama wise a little bit trepidation. Shall we signed. Because i do think you said about paul george. I think he's this series. I'm not gonna go to the all poll jody's Plot for the for the reputation that god has people talk about in the top ten player. Whatever he should be tied up in the series a lot. This quite frankly. I'm not going to get an extra profit for orphan about i do think he s he has a little bit I'm just the alagoas. Outside of cohen george. Because those guy. The believe is marcus morris that came with twenty blue. Yeah and i think it just has to stay that wife offing one person. Each game is gonna need to step up. You could be more. She's probably got the most scoring time at the venue but again there's also the Donovan mitchell is doing some si- well the minute Given the car the asthma. I don't think he's entirely fit on her But does have to come a time where we consider that god at like one among the best in the because i don't think we consider not. Why but the minute myself included outside up. But he's not. Ross perot jolyon one series. He had a spell. Bond is probably the best one against the nuggets without. I did lose that series. Unfortunately and she now he's given it to co. i'm paul george now dicon Evelyn yukon anything offense. The trial pin. I see what you're saying but at the same time for team jazz where the. There's one superstar donovan mitchell right whereas Role players around him. Obviously they got ready gotbaum Apply yeah he's kind of in between bernie got going to get you twenty five points. And he's not going to do. I'm saying the the issue off with the jazz. Taking his extent dependent upon your role is stepping up because For example lost game in in that last game right donovan. Mitchell took twenty-six shots. That's fine right. You want your main piece in detained taking shots as they can at the same time. The second next guy took twelve then twelve again and then nine so unless they're flawless when and they're going to be cold when they get in the game as hall to get the sort of role plays but the analogy i can think of in my head was shaped million for the sixers. He had that one game where he was perfect in terms of coming shot sixty six and was just on fire. But that's an anomaly that that's not going to happen all the time when these robots. I'm not comparing bogdanovich milton. I'm saying if the if the game it's and they need a show but if shuttle game they're not really shooting regular appall of it. It's not really a fluid system whereas when you look at the clippers lost not coen pohjola had nine hundred twenty but then there's a few other guys that had yet eleven h a five stick any of it more doubts miami concerned on the jazz of the if if you saw dependent on donovan mitchell in this game five six and seven off got no doubt in my mind. He can got thirty thirty five when i go back there in that game. Seven 'cause Of the clip at the clippers. Don't do that should i. not so. Maybe that's a different one. But if the clippers gone still win here utah and they bring about two game seats and they try and plighted again Six that's that's my only concern for it. I don't know spend too much jazz. Because he's the jobs book. yeah. I dunno That i would do think there is a certain floor of poets or production. You do get from players. Bogey enjoying goals join clubs and did not the greatest guy bar. I guess a production they miss just your on the other side. Is you say they just have more more of the soup stall power. And if they play like they can. I just think they've got too much for the jazz great saw media. I think science tips and then the seventy six either. I'm not sure to him clinton okay. We'll move on to the other conference golf swing to the nets and the box series. That if you'd have all probably may or anybody else about six days ago said may be nets in five but potentially s wait now hold. Different scenario james harden has been upgraded from Out to doubtful game five so there is potential probably a little bit of a round to digest before the game and they'll say goes If you get right you does doubtful love. I'm pretty confident you not fit to play. But it's like i won't supplies probably apply a decision to james wolfensohn supply and he's probably kidding fossils on all of it but adults is advised against it. Karis definitely out. And there is no confirmation of where we're going to be back for the series oughta show. He's gonna be out if there's a game seven he might potentially get injection on site awesome. He's gonna be out of this series. The bucks may at jaanus at. She taught him out for for one. Simone opinion apply guy. The game fraying full out quite impressive. How aggressive he was in game friday. I very impressive. Chris middleton considerable the saunder. That i think i definitely give him on the. You'll know his biggest fan as well. achy bain clinical and very productive with the ball. When he got. I think i broke the record for the most amount of points for gio in comparison to the whole points of the team in not game three because i think they scored like seventy five of the idc so something. They scored have a very large percentage of the bucks over points in that game win. An essentially. that game changed a bit because the next being reduced to eighty three points in that game three and ninety six points in game on a dove all year. And i think that without carre and james hobson james about the game. Five is a bit different. But kevin durant for me. Hasn't even been kevin durant in in these policy gains. He's not scheldt great l. He's not well until twenty nine twenty five in that game four last night. One of eight from three. I'm expecting from k. d. donkey apply that. Get but this is a time. You need a blake griffin to drop twenty four and this is more concerned with this next team now the bucks massive so what. Your your ratings are definitely i make. I had met since sakes don't even if it's not now i could be a bucks and seven for one depends on james harden i mean katie. Hasn't had the greatest series yet a very good game to the rest of their risk. The game tonight isn't hasn't been terrible in bad but it hasn't been the standard he will need to be. Were what's going on in this series. And i'm not gonna hold it against if a copy the bucks without caller real james holden because at the end of the day the buck statement. Are we go is sometimes but they are a very good team and katie bombs. Health is probably not going to be able to pay this team if hardened does comeback maybe even not for the next game. But the the game asta. I'm still taking the nets. The wings gedeon harden would be enough but this full healthy halden. Which would be the next game. The game off the may be but i will say yanni's has been better in the pulse few games and he does need to be better which is good to see. I don't think middleton order holiday about the greatest series middleton out of very good game three but other than that he hasn't been great and so this this is really hanging in the balance and you'd like to see with the being under undermanned and underpowered. You'd light see than bucks. Take initiative ready come be aggressive and and rage on beta into the ground this point. We'll we'll just say later on whether hauled no cari can come back. And a high-level enough for fitness to actually make this a series game fog could be good katie legacy guiding perhaps whereas we've been used to the surrounded by absolute superstars a half a decade. Now you'd side you'd lot to save just so of tyke it to them and just win the game sing. I often disagree. I think he does have the talent to do that. Wherever wherever is the same way. I'm comparing this to win. The bronze completely carried that cavs team to the finals. Somehow he's lost cavs taking. I just think that type of player. I don't think he's in an initiator and so even with just one of the two. I struggle to see them winning championships. I-if lock it. Was connery was the rest of the piles which is very could welder. Ankle sprain premature law on his job. look so it was just Kadian harden i mean. That's probably the best to you have left in a conference. I'm not entirely show disappointed. Made the series Lots of infants page. Pj talk to genesis a good a free Katie really What i think was disappointed to be. Moore's harriet policy bucks team. The i just think is on offense at some stages. I mean drew i was going on. There has been doai the entire series on the offensive end. Yours draws defensive end and dodi. Yesterday i did. I've himself a game in a couple of them. I think he should be himself a game in every single one of these because look now rim protection and it just is to opposing the question in my mind of the box using yannis correctly should be he himself being initiates. I don't think he's not a the brown. Sorry often keys move given the bulls custody. The bustle center. Even though he's well big the last game they did stop playing him like a bit more and to to great success. And i said this. A while ago said janet really is more of a beak the needs a wing tai player. He's listed as laurie plays. Powerful would be radio. Big hundred sent The said on the defensive in disarming decided that offing offensively as well. Yeah i mean he. He's he's got a lot done. Gabby movies handles just so always He thought he can initiate an office. I just don't know if it's the best way to use him and then begs. The question have The table Feet saw doubtless supermax is like hide. The bucket line for jury holden given chris mills in the back. After i really built the best team ran a lot often. He should be playing center and the rest of the so. So what have this schutz's and christmas can convince that maybe the other. Nah this series because like the nets are undemanding up in a bit disappointed with idea anyway. But i'll be interested to say when they come up against the six is because i think they should win that series on quality Something about me doubts it. I mean the thing. That's quite surprising for me right. Is that the the nets third favorite's too in the whole thing. The bucks of i the sons the second and the nets of that. It's very very dependent on. Jain todd for me. If i make it through the series and karis than back. I think you can't stop them under present it. What you're saying a full three back if ofri will not be back any Yeah i was gonna say three that it's not even close. They will gonna pliers plows on cairo. If you want to be. The he won't be about for this series. it depends if he if he walk without straying. Coming off and x rays were negative. It can't be that buys. But i think that he'll be a rock for conference. Finals minimum apply nba finals. I'll be honest if you if you could tell me the obviously my appropriate for this guy's name on the guy if you could tell me that katie. Halden they're going to be fit for. The rest of the piles would still pay the knicks to win. The championship does disagree to for me tonight. Whoever wins the game. Five or game. Six i should say wins the series Yeah it's a complete coincidence guy. Whoever wins tonight. I don't care about hong hongkou. Whoever wins tonight is going to win this series because if halton eight rains me yeah i think tonight game game five tonight. Whoever wins game five. I think wins the series thoughts. Our believe i think we are forced to either way. I don't think he's carrying game seven if the bucks win tonight and hard no curry's bat for the next one. I disagree with you if the net win this one time and he's completely dump. Oh yeah it'd be witness yet. I still for the next cook comeback. If even if the bucks in this one this is well saying this could be a legendary k. d. game with so much flack over the last couple of years. He needs help if he wins this by himself which he probably will be bombed south Apply he's doubtful vast legacy For easy route to the finals. And when i said i don't think it will happen. That doesn't think he can do other things he can do. I mean i think he's minimum for me personally. Top two players in the lakes I just unlikely. Eight job harris twenty point on blake griffin fifteen point. Now i'm for him score about foley for this to carnegie guard. I i think you donate the bucks by ready badly as well i. I think we'll have to go the way for them. Clinton is going to need to be pulping fully If the box good stall is it's rugs think because if the box struggling vast off of doubt coach buds not gonna do anything. That's going to change up. So i'm just citing yawn fees if the stumbling in the first half i have not gown that the nets will win that game but it all dependent upon what yanni's comes out if yarmysh comes out first possession run to the rim against now one is tom. That's our lawsuit Coach now base it's more it'll be the mindset if he's just in it for gonna shop brooklyn up then it's going to be a a. I'm sorry but will sil- predictions. I watch off got money on it but for i'm gonna use my head here are genuinely off in the box again gonna win. Think the place in six. The thing is for me. it's just completely injury dependent. So that's that's like putting a thing back. He's this yeah. This is what i mean if hauled employees. He's not going to be a hard in this going to be. James halted so for me off. Got lucky on this. If all advising someone and i was one about balan while shebelle off site boxing six rotten type about and six or seven. It'd be one of the two boxes to not. Ns kanda moving onto the lost Conference semifinals that we took to philly. Atlanta Lot they had bagged on. If you watch the highlights of it they was honest popping off in the first half and gripe second off. I think joel embiid left germany baiting. The gym if a believe he didn't make short and second half Missed the game winning with ten seconds to go. Ben simmons truscott rebounded went out of bounds. No the obeyed. pipe badly full for twenty with cy. otherwise but he didn't play badly second hoffy. Did i just let the hoax into it. That's a game that philly realistically should have been put in. Why am i down. City iras city mistakes closely vespas now dow from what i've seen. The game was different since then even though they got the win last night i think philadelphia are for comfortably here. I mean yeah. I'd still pick philly but as you saw was definitely disappointed. We've lost nor i mean the fact. Is they pay it against the team for the game. Show thirty under thirty seven seven from the field and thirty percent for free and lost the game by. You should not be losing any game when the opposition. Same issue in line that you could tell embiid's name was troubling. And obviously he did not have a good second half whatsoever but then you know so you have maybe given elo bear leeway because of that. But then you've got ben. Simmons who halftime are looking a half. Tom and i watched the game. And i thought okay as easy. He's playing really well and the second half he just. Didn't atl struggling yeah. It was really disappointing for me to see the title of two halls with embiid. Obviously i don't mind as much because he does have the niggling knee injury. But with ben simmons who was just unacceptable it really is a struggle with may embed to be fed because i'll fall in points where covered what was said. You cadre nearly well that he's offensively. He's very Dominant that's how that's what is the butter israeli. You get him on the floor. He's one of the best in the league that the obviously still lingering issues with him in the half court and this lingering issues with a lot yannis who we consider to be one of the league's top ten at the very least and he can't shoot a free fire nikon phrase. I just this is just in known. Aggressive component about slot. Roz me. the wrong y. And makes me think. Can this guy be your second best pile championship team. I'm really not sure. I think he's the to it. He's not third piece. he's not second base so of inbetween swanson from the monette gets a jump shot. You never going to be up to long. He is easily I'm not gonna say much because it's A high powered draymond green physically just defensively Bring the you've got the rebound bringing out for in the Apply that sort of stuff. He's a very very high end rob And does not spell should apply benz nods at. I don't see doug think he's a role player but he's just like he does. He doesn't do anything that warrants him being Star superstar this as playmaking ability and his defensive abilities. Unbelievable ramones playmaking. Indefensibly was a kaya on in that respect but it still choking change in that aspect. The ben simmons is a jump shot away from being literally contender for one of the best players. In the league. Driveways drinks never gonna come. Yeah that's the issue that i hey still young me wrong you use when you say this you wanna see some slow progress but there is no progress year on year whatsoever when it comes to trump show is understand that he does a lot of little things very very well. The boss guiding denying that. I just question whether that guy the guy does allow the little things well conradi score poem volume can really be a second best via championship. They nestled inside with a tobias. I look if i've said this before. I think jimmy butler was the puffy fit for these law. Shot in hell of a one in one one one million show when and potentially stop the sixers winning a chip on. I think the two together now surrounded by the plight that go by seth curry boss harris. He's quite good additions to them. But you wanna see benson still being that it more aggressive is what inside. I don't think that it's fitting is limited on the basis. That if ben simmons had a jump shot Shape if i don't i don. I don't think so. They can win a championship. About ben simmons shaping for easy my opinion. I'm shooting threes. That's not that's the main the just needs to. I need a jump shot regardless so no even just thirty just jump show and he needs to be way more aggressive than is on the offense e e e just no aggressive enough a free throws of the 'cause he could win free throws a very high volume iffy wanted to i think he doesn't Often that's one of the reasons season aggressive. Because i want to go to the free for. He's gonna miss him and that'll be my first thing. I don't even care about the jump shot. I think the comparison you may withdraw funds and interest in one because obviously not particularly similar plows whatsoever. But i get. I get what you mean when for example when we would judging that the warriors table say that war team still based worries When when we to that worries team we found it very difficult to gauge. How important draymond. Green was to that team news. A very divisive figure because on the one hand had people saying he was unbelievably important. And that's what. And that's where i feel. Most people will in the he was steph. Pickerel pa he was a massive defensive asset for them when you see sometimes some the jazz and a lotta time when people look at the numbers more than anything they they criticize him blah he also was able to flourish in that role because he had obviously staff whose worldly and klay thompson is also very good player with him an on on the six. Obviously you've gone baid. Who is a very very good played one to best big men in the league. One of the best players league after that. You've you've thank someone knocks. Boss harris or steph. Curry may be probably more by harrison. Harris has been playing very well. But ben simmons is above them in the pecking order. So maybe he gets put in the spotlight a bit more than someone nakajima green. You expect a bit more production from him because of that is all about labels isn't it. I think we've lighten ben. Simmons is the next big thing is like this next style and yet we just want to see a little bit more from involved not deny that he has the talent offing. Should one defensive. The a person is well. He's just that good not in. It's been doing a pretty damn good job on. Try young has been hall to stop anyway but that Research pies on that way. You just can't stop them just feel if he needs a little bit more. Yeah we've just go under five minutes to touch on the hoax because although side i think that from what i've seen over the past three games ignoring game one the the sixers should be going through in this series point out. The i mean they've one little spot the the hoax three and she said by From the thirty percent from three trae young had twenty five which was not allowed. Trae own these playoffs eighteen. I think he's the youngest of obliged to get amendment. Apply of gyn Gallinari ready get going. That guy in williams was not great was newest bogdonovich issue in percentages. So it is a concern because they won by three. But i didn't play well side in that respect so i think that is going to be an easy right ahmad said before Jury easy. I think that they should be going but it is still not. It's not like a dumb dilatot. Nary a lot of scope for this going for the sixers. Yeah i mean the one thing. I will side about trae young his last night as you say at twenty five points didn't have the grayish shoe illinois actually took more phil goes and he had points and it was another one of those games way was had a show is higher volume of freeze and always whenever i see trae young play. I always think he's better off instead of shooting those ten plus three a game if he just shoots around the six to eight monk and sticks to more of what he's mopping better. Obviously he's got the fantastic playmaking ability with him. It just is better of role for him and the tain play whenever look at the box score. I looked at how many free point of the show if he's taken a lot you can usually tell if they've won or lost the game because that's what i now. He's not trust in these teammates. Enough are monitoring shoot very well. Loss not often key still needs to to play with that team first mentality which For the knicks. And i think you know if he if he plays if they plot their upton because they have a really good offensively when they pioneer up to The sixers still pick sixes because of a game. I think the hopes some mash and when the sixers managed to so get into collapse as you say i would also pay the sixers as well. Even talk about. Ben simmons and maybe some. She needs to give more production by the end of the day. Embiid is by far the best player in this series. And if he's healthy along with the rest of the stuff. The sixers of narrow study should say them for the hoax by i will sign a testament to the style have really given failure hall time. We'll continue to although out to whenever the series ends question. Were you sign. Algo sixes in Sixes in sake southern in seven. Yeah i was thinking. I was thinking about seven. I've got that the not gonna go down not not on a it will. It'll take him all the while assam after that. Second off bait. I'm a little bit concerned. But yeah i feel about acid Not not stops. The point that i wanted to go to seven because of said i won't apply guys as possible and give them as much time as to rest and rehab for the conference finals but yet not stop Next box enjoy. Hopefully we see a kevin durant. Marcus always say a yannis. Just turn up in brooklyn and ready so of this could be legacy kite guy century for several years. It should be. It's all the potential to be to be a classic sign up Thank you very much for listen. Make sure you follow us on all of our social at seraing man pulled catch our website www pulled. We will catch you in the next podcast. Thanks in and pace.

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1411: An Excerpt from Master Your Code: The Art, Wisdom, and Science of Leading an Extraordinary Life by Darren J. Gold

Optimal Living Daily

07:45 min | 1 year ago

1411: An Excerpt from Master Your Code: The Art, Wisdom, and Science of Leading an Extraordinary Life by Darren J. Gold

"This is optimal living daily episode fourteen eleven an excerpt from the book Master Your Code The Art Wisdom and science of leading an extraordinary life Darren j gold and I'm just a Malik happy Tuesday welcome back to optimal living daily of the O. L. D. podcast where I read to you from some of the best blogs I can find and get permission from covering saw into the show and I'll be back tomorrow arena you Celsius there where your optimal life awaits during revolutions scientists see new and different things when looking with familiar instruments in places they have looked before is rather as if the professional community quote when paradigm is changed the world itself changes with them led by a new paradigm scientists adopt new instruments and look in new places even more important minister demand famous for breaking the imaginary four minute mile barrier for centuries runners had been attempting to run the mile in under four minutes in the nineteen occur there's no geographical transplantation outside the laboratory everyday affairs usually continue as before nevertheless paradigm changes do cause scientists to see the world paradigms no longer in place own new set of actions became available runners were literally free to run through that invented boundary. Imagine if you will that a runner honor broke banisters record the following year two new runners broke the four minute mark in the same race dozens followed and as of this writing more than four immediately training regimens diets running styles would all be examined reconsidered and tinkered with all this would happen because a new paradigm and replace it have been suddenly transported to another planet where familiar objects are seen in a different light in her joined by unfamiliar ones as well of course nothing of quite that sort does fifties the quest to break the barrier to on renewed importance and a number of famous runners publicly in unsuccessfully attempted the feat many of the newspapers of the day recruiter the smartest way to hire I'll tell you more about today's author right after the reading so for now let's get right to it and start optimizing your life four minute mile barrier he shattered the myth that created the barrier in the first place the paradigm and offered a limited set of actions available for runners to take with that by Darren Jay Gould one of my favorite stories that I like to tell particularly when I'm encouraging leaders to notice and question their beliefs is the story of Roger began to question whether humans would ever be able to run a sub four minute mile then in nineteen fifty four bannister broke through the imaginary barrier running the mile in here's who post a job on ziprecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day and our listeners can try it for free as Ziprecruiter dot com slash old zip it an excerpt from the book Master Your Code The Art Wisdom in science of leading an extraordinary life three minutes and fifty nine point four seconds an amazing feat for sure but here's what's really interesting it was only forty six days later that another an old one that had locked runners into conventional ways of running runners would literally Nabi running in a new world coon rapids is perfectly in writing about scientific revolutions eighteen hundred runners of accomplished a feat including one runner who ran two miles in less than a minute's nothing material change with respect to human anatomy track conditions came along and ran a sub three minute mile impossible right yet all of a sudden the actions runners would take that they can now see as even available to take which shift weather patterns running shoes or the human diet between the start of bannister's race in a few years that followed what then explains the sudden and dramatic explosion of athletic achievement only possibles a constraining power of the myth that man could not run the mile in less than four minutes what banister had done was not just break the fall hold of their research engagement differently insofar as their only recourse that world is through what they see and do we may want to say that after revolution scientists respond there's only shift when there is a crisis when the problems with the current paradigm are significant enough that the exploration of alternative paradigm is seen as critical quote thing to a different world and quote what does it take for a paradigm shifts for individuals to be metaphorically transplanted to a new world according to Kuhn Paradigm versus a Cafe Tourist C. 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Dylan Moskowitz found a director of coffee in just a few days how ziprecruiter for out of five employees so long as the tools a paradigm supplies continued to prove capable of solving the problems it defines size moves fastest and penetrates most deeply through the significance of crises is the indication they provide that an occasion for retooling has arrived and quote I like to offer an additional explanation for often employment of those tools the reason is clear as in manufacturer so and science retooling is an extravagance to be reserved for the occasion that demands it ends and see the paradigm itself I believe that the great explorers inventors scientists leaders and thinkers have each had such qualities deep paradigm shift and miss our shattered only when there is a fish with the wisdom to notice and ask about the water someone with enough courage maturity to question convention intuitively been able to understand the constraining nature of the paradigm and have had the courage to question the particular paradigm emits of their times you have the opportunity and life you just listen to an excerpt from the book Master Code The Art Wisdom in science of leading here I say responsibility to cultivate your awareness so that you can see and question the paradigm within your own program and environment you don't need to be a great to hire a director of coffee for his organic coffee company he's having trouble finding qualified applicants so he switched to Ziprecruiter ziprecruiter technology finds people thinker to do this although you may very well be you can do this as a parent as a call as a member of a team as a leader of organization in any area of your see why Ziprecruiter's effective for businesses of all sizes trust Ziprecruiter for free at our web address ziprecruiter dot com slash old that's with the right experience and invites them to apply to your job Dylan posted his job on Ziprecruiter APP was impressed by how quickly he had qualified candidates apply and in just a few you days he found his new director of coffee was results like that it's no wonder four out of five employers who post a job on ziprecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day a an extraordinary life by Darren j gold they began to ziprecruiter hiring can be a slow process cafe Torre Coo Dylan Moskowitz ziprecruiter dot com slash L. D. ziprecruiter dot com slash old ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire income by Darren Jay Golden L. known organizations he trained as a lawyer with a partner at to San Francisco investment firms and served as the CEO of two companies and the book Master Your Code Has Been Highly Review Dot Com to learn more and check out his book I have that linked in this episode subscription Darren is one of the world's leading executive coaches and advisors to CEO's and leadership teams of many of the most NFL P- minimalism productivity. Anything they think is worth your time. Sometimes the book excerpts to like today before we get to it hiring Kambia slow by many CEO's of massive companies again you can find more at Darren J Gold Dot Com.

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KULIAH ISLAM - Isro Mi'roj Rosululloh  (Ustadz Herman Saptaji, S.Th.I., M.M.)

Radio Fajri 99.3FM

22:04 min | 3 months ago

KULIAH ISLAM - Isro Mi'roj Rosululloh (Ustadz Herman Saptaji, S.Th.I., M.M.)

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H-Hour Snapshots #2 Brian Wood MC

H-Hour: A Sniper's Podcast

29:34 min | 1 year ago

H-Hour Snapshots #2 Brian Wood MC

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Because it wasn't given them anymore context though on the flipside if he's sitting there and you had a bunch of crates a mate sitting on whatever you eat on. I know I won't stay light. Punish the bucks on the on the. But yeah how is how can we can talk about certain elements anyway? Look it's going to be a major dramatization. It's GonNa be a ninety minute feature on one of the main cost isn't if he put into give. You'll probably get it right but I'm not gonNA con because it's not the press release hasn't come out yet. I'm not very good at keeping secrets. But I- refined them affects. I mean we'll we'll say I mean it's it's going onto a huge main role cost the Feature so feature film is GonNa be that feature the year and the budgets in place. The budget is a punchy budget. Forward is well you know. I know some involved in consultancy so if there is any military hiccups than it's down to me so much elvis so kennel believe it across a now. I'm just an ordinary announce which is served their country a lot to think of the small difference to to to a nation to have this kind of come out the other end. When ten years ago could even say handed ahead spike to sites lucky. Now be in the class ahead. Spices probably more driven now. The no ever was even in the military. And this is Kinda. Come out of the book. Dunwoody Weill went into Sunday Times. Better centers at number. Three number material Shave Michelle Obama you know I can Can accept that and then have the option to the film and then have been where we're at the moment is just a couple of signatures. Kosten every move constant it's unreal and the Miguel shoot so we stopped film Spring which is incredible unknown. GonNa be out Calendar Years Yes. They're not messing about. I mean it's a Dates on my side and you are the first person part of the About secrets than I'm not very good. Hence icon lies so when people are asking me stuff done back to Sweden. 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And that's what this is about what we're doing now is about supporting other people. Raise the awareness on subjects by not to be spoken about also trying to support the the armed forces and be. I asked to answer any questions that people go on joining the organization out support that regardless of what's happened to me because incredible belonging the organization. You'RE NOT GONNA get any vet responses. You travel the world doing something that you love. sperling Another as many out there. Continue to be an advocate now and yeah. I'm passionate about it. Plus you just started pocus. He'll have yeah. Yeah Oh yeah one of the first one. Actually it's called. The Rue reminder is called the royal addition thing is are you on so many other podcasts. I would mind that. She told Dilemma Honda and a business in London. Code JOINS FM. We had a meeting a sports them. 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Why Only Engineering ? Is there world outside it?

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Why Only Engineering ? Is there world outside it?

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COVID-19 research poses threat to horseshoe crabs and other species that rely on them

The Current

21:06 min | 6 months ago

COVID-19 research poses threat to horseshoe crabs and other species that rely on them

"Seven of my car before the police f and running up and down the street until honest That we need to get out. I'm adrian lam and mike flanagan for the podcast world on fire our latest episode. We're taking you to the western united states where fires are burning unprecedented rate. And we're finding out how it's affecting here in canada get world on fire on. Cbc listened or wherever you get your podcast. This is a cbc podcast. That is the sound of feeding frenzy. Every year shore birds travel from the southern tip of south america. All the way to canada's arctic not flight as you can imagine burns a lot of calories so a fuel up the birds stop along the beaches of the eastern united states to feed on the eggs of horseshoe crabs but over the years. Crab numbers have been dropping in part because of unique trait in their blood which means that it is used in medical development including the surge of covid nineteen research being done right now. We'll get to the pharmaceutical science of all of this in a moment. But first conservationists are worried that this drop in the crab population will only get worse thanks to the pandemic and without enough crabs the shore birds will also david wheeler is executive director of the conserve wildlife foundation. David good morning. Good morning start us. Off by describing what a horseshoe crab looks like well horseshoe crab is very unique in the animal kingdom and its appearance. You know really belies that fact. It's this is a species. that isn't a true crab. It's actually more closely related to spiders and scorpions. And it's a it's this creature that's about a one one two feet If you picture a shield or helmet a kind of medieval shield with a a tale that looks like a spear it's actually called the howson and it sticks out about you know about another foot or so From the creature it's very primal looking and when you see it for the first time swimming along the coast and it's found on the for the most part of the entire east coast of the us When you see it for the first time it's certainly a memorable citing its lifting fossil a living fossil. I was gonna say. That's how i've heard them described as a living fossil. Absolutely they've been swimming in the sees nearly unchanged since that time of the dinosaurs so the sound that we heard at the very beginning is from the springtime when the crabs and the shore birds collide. If you've never seen something like this before what does it look like on those beaches. Well during a during certain high tides in the month of may on beaches along the delaware bay both in new jersey and delaware. You have these mass gatherings of horseshoe crabs spawning and if you picture these These large crabs kind of swimming up one after another and kind of forming a chain You know six to too far more horseshoe crabs lined up in all directions during their spawning period. And and this is something that's happened every may You know for time immemorial and it's it's father Followed by short birds that are gathering in similar massive numbers And they're there to feast on the eggs of the horseshoe crabs so the during the during the the the crabs like many thousands of eggs and and to picture the eggs. They're tiny Almost caviar an appearance Tiny light green eggs that they lay in in masses Kind of these masses of these tiny tiny eggs and buried to a degree under the sand but but they really not only support the horseshoe crab population reproducing but they support these migratory shore birds and You know a number of fish species diamondback terrapins really the whole ecosystem in many ways. uses this as a base. So they're really important in in that ecosystem. How have the numbers of those crabs changed over the last ten to twenty years for the last few decades. Unfortunately the crab population has really been decimated. And and there's a number of factors you know historically. They were used as fertilizer in massive numbers of of crabs were grownup each's and trucks. You know used as a cheap basically free source of fertilizer Recently they became a popular For ill or welk and it was only in the last say fifteen years that there are some limits started to be put on Bayden in new jersey for instance You know Stopped that practice other states still allow it but there are limits and all of that combined to To certainly heard the horseshoe crab populations what we're looking at now is a populations. Roughly a third of what they were a As recently as the early nineteen nineties So it's been a major decline And and that doesn't even get into other factors like climate change or the biomedical use. But but certainly a number of factors. And i i should say to. The crab declined has really been mirrored by the decline of the migratory shorebridge red knots and others that That depend on horseshoe crabs wells week. Fish is likely to decline as well These these shorebridge just to put it into perspective. They fly from as far away as the southern tip of south america. Teradata foyer gone all the way up to the delaware bay. Spend a few weeks here. You know fattening up. On the the high-calorie energy of the horseshoe crab eggs and then as you mentioned head up to the canadian arctic. So and that's just the one one leg of the journey then. Of course they had back each year. So these these journeys these kind of hemisphere-wide journeys Are absolutely dependent on on the horseshoe crabs innate declined it at a similar rate about a third. Now what they want score so as you mentioned. I mean there are a number of different reasons why that population be decimated. What is the biomedical use of these horseshoe crabs. Well be because they are species that have changed so little Know essentially you have the this. The milky blueblood of this ancient animal has has made it into a modern medical marvel. It's it's It's really extraordinary. They're so unique in the animal kingdom because they've changed so little and because there are no real close relatives You know among other species rent nowadays essentially you have this component a licensed. It's limitless amoeba spite licey which detects a bacterial endotoxins to put it another way. If there's you know some kind of toxin in in some kind of Vaccine or medicine or implant. That's being tested. Anything that gets injected into our bloodstream. This will pick it up the concern now. Of course is you know. At some point we would really like to see it shift to a synthetic alternative rather than continuing to only use the crabs for that. The pharmaceutical companies have argued that they only use thirty percents of the crabs blood and then they return the animal to the ocean that they're they're not killing the crabs there the phrase. That's been used as if they're in some ways milking the crabs for the blood. Tell me more about your response to that argument. Well are concerned is You know and and what while they they do only use it like around. Thirty percent of the blood You know the industry claims there was only that there's only around i think three to five percent mortality The marine fisheries commission the the atlantic marine fisheries commission says. It's probably closer to fifteen percent and there's been other studies that have shown that could be up as high as thirty percent actually die. Our concern is simply that there's just not a heck of a lot of transparency in this process and so as a result there's not nearly enough data for i think all the scientists studying this to feel confident that the the rates are as low as you know as they're saying they are and if they are that men that's great news but nonetheless you know no matter how you look at it. It's still you know. Hundreds of thousands of horseshoe crabs I think roughly a half a million a year are bled and so the small differences in the percentage mean differences in many thousands of horseshoe crabs. You know surviving to reproduce or not. How close is the species to becoming endangered. If you're saying that the population has been decimated how close to the edges. it like. i said it's about a third of its population just a few decades ago but a better way to put it into perspective is it's simply much more vulnerable now. i'll give you an example when or superstorm. Sandy ravaged the east coast Here in delaware bay we nearly lost All of our horseshoe crab spawning beaches overnight and had it not been for a major public private partnership that pushed to restore the beaches in advance of the roughly six months later that the the mass gathering porsche crabs in the shore birds that depend on them. We very well could have lost them entirely And so you know to have the population declined to rate it. Has it just makes it that much more susceptible to You know some of the the threats like major storms increasing in climate change. The you know any of the any of the issues that are become much more pronounced when you're talking about an already You know declining population that has reached a much more vulnerable state. Hi i'm dr. Brian goldman if you haven't heard my new podcast the dose. This is the perfect time to subscribe each week. We answer your most pressing. Health related questions right. Now we know you're grappling with covid. Nineteen on those we bring in top experts to answer your questions about the corona virus and pose some of our own. Get the latest evidence in a way. That's easy to understand by subscribing to the dose. It's your guide to getting through this difficult time. You can find the dose wherever you get your podcast matching seventy ktar and is and we're back with a brand new season of seat at the table. The podcast where we have in depth conversations with notable guests from media sports and pop culture. But this time we're capturing personal stories about the power of the black lives matter movement the urgency of this moment and really what it will take to move forward seat at the table is available now on. Cbc listen on spotify or wherever you get podcasts. We're in the midst of this frantic. Push for covid nineteen vaccine and it's starting to be deployed in some parts of the world but there are other vaccines that are still in development How concerned are you given that. And given the intensity of that push for the crabs and the shore birds and and the wellbeing of them in the long term. Well i think away to frame it for me. Is that the when when we're talking about a global pandemic it would be with the incredible advances of our biomedical industry. And you know medicine in general I just think it would feel a lot more comfortable if it wasn't ultimately dependent on a single species You know that if that's species has an even sharper downturn That essentially we have all of medicine all of all of the vaccines in general drugs in implants in any kind of medical devices like that that we depend on where we're kind of in limbo because we're just relying on this one species. I i looking at it. Just from a kind of a best management practices. We'd be much better. Served took to get the synthetic alternatives approved as as quickly as we could and in the meantime to have get a better sense you know through a little bit more transparency. The industry Get a better sense. Of what are the impacts of horseshoe crabs. Maybe there are additional ways we can mitigate that you know in the way they returned to the wild and the places they returned in kind of that that process. So you know that's the way we look at it. Is it difficult to fight for that in the midst of a pandemic. When everybody's trying you know moving at one thousand miles. An hour to to find a vaccine. That would help us. Get our way out of this nightmare. Well it's it's to me. They're they're they're complementary. They're they're certainly not in opposition. You know we. We applaud the use of the worship crab blood the licey As it stands right now in in the push for this No one's claiming on any level that that should stop but rather You know let's let's move forward longer term and just kind of getting a better handle on The industry practices and and in the long-term approval of a synthetic alternative. So we we don't need to continue You know impacting this population and also making ourselves vulnerable by relying on just one species for kind of the answer to all our prayers david. It's great to talk to you about this. Thank you very much. Thank you appreciate it. David wheeler is executive director of the conserve wildlife foundation. He was in east brunswick new jersey while horseshoe crab blood seems to be the only natural way of getting this vital compound known as lao. There is an alternative. The pharmaceutical company ally lilley has made the choice not to use horseshoe crab blood and their products. Jay bolden is a biologist. And he's a big reason for this decision j. Good morning to you. Good morning david. Talk a bit about this From your perspective as a biologist what exactly is in as he describing it. The milky blue blood of these horseshoe crabs that makes it so important and desirable for medical research. So the sites are ourselves within the horseshoe crab blood. And it's it's defense. Mechanism against bacteria so Horseshoe crabs live in the water and there are waterborne. Bacteria called gram negative bacteria and those gram negative bacteria a have endotoxins in their cell wall and the horseshoe crab has developed a defense overtime against these toxins and it turns out that humans and other animals are very sensitive to toxins as well. So what would happen to human. If they were injected with the vaccine that had endotoxins in them. If it was in high enough concentration you would get a fever and certainly back before. We knew that you need clean. Water to manufacturer medicines back in nineteen twenty s. Very ill and it certainly been caused that so if it's an high enough concentration i i it's it's bad news. It sounds like it. Yeah and so. The the this substance is the only thing that we have that would allow us In in that process to test for those endotoxins so interestingly the the original test to look for these Are these endotoxins or one. Type of pirate in the original test was a full on animal test. So back in the nineteen forties They would inject rabbits With the medicine and then they would monitor them for a fever. And that you know qualitatively would determine whether you're you're Medicine was good or not when l. a. l. was discovered and then implemented in the late nineteen seventies and nineteen eighty s really. I mean it was. It was a a really welcome replacement for a very expensive ethically questionable rabbit tests what we do have now. And what's been on the market for some time is is is a Synthetic version called for communist accuracy. So it's the exact same protein that is in the horseshoe crab it's just produced by modern recombinant biotechnology processes. And it would do the same thing as the as this crab would test that product for those biological contaminants exactly does and we've got lots at this point. We've been using quite extensively for the past four years. I wanna say And we've got a lot of experience and we have found it to to test to be equivalent to two l l. How widely used is this product right. Now it's not widely used because the test for toxins is described in what are called or macapa so every country has call it a big book of methods. How you test for medicines and right now those chapters say you have to test for endotoxins and you have to do that. Using l. a. l. the horseshoe crab blood but fortunately in in europe this year the european pharmacopoeia published a test method. That says you can use common factor. See to test during the tops as part of this about patient safety as well. I mean that's with any if you're developing any new drug the that's the the the determining whether this is going to go forward or not and if people are familiar with using one thing and there's something else that's on. The market is patient safety. One of the things. That's keeping other companies from that switch yet pay. Patient safety is paramount in In everything that we do but again we make data driven decisions. There's a lot of peer reviewed scientific literature out there. That shows the comparability of earth seat. Ll we've generated that data in house ourselves and then we've had that conversation with global health authorities As we have successfully applied to use our of see on several of our new products and the global health authorities have agreed with us but in fact it is safe. It is equivalent that we can do that. We have a covid. Nineteen antibody therapy That received emergency use authorization to in several key to us in several countries. And so this product Alabama is no different than other compounds in our pipeline. And that so we use our c on on that covid. Nineteen antibody You know when during the manufacturer that why personally did you draw that line. I mean why is this important for you. I'm a burger so as a hobby. I began burning in about two thousand right when i started at at lily and i was. I was made aware early on that. In fact we were using crab blood to test or endotoxins but that we may not have access access to it someday due to the crabs or The birds that rely on them and so as burger. I was attuned that so kind of been watching that for a long time. We didn't have regulatory clarity as to whether we would be successful trying to use it. We got some of that regulatory clarity around two thousand twelve and then in two thousand thirteen. We started building a new manufacturing facility in china. And at that time i became aware of the situation of those horseshoe crabs in In asia and the dire dire situation they were in so a lot of things transpired all around that time to say. Hey you know what. We should probably take serious. Look at that and not. that's what we did. Do you find just finally. I mean you're in the position of you know working at a big pharma company. But you're also as you said An amateur burger. Do you find yourself in a position of in a moral conflict or some sort of greater conflict here. where on the one side. There's this real push for these vaccines and for cutting edge treatments to get us out of the pandemic that we're in but there's a cost to that as well and we heard it from david where he talks about the decimation of these populations. So do you find yourself conflicted in in this work i see as an evolution. I mean we. We started with a full on animal test. And then we got to something better with l. l. and now we have something that's better than l. a. l. and that's what we should strive to work towards So the reality is the horseshoe. Crab blood is protected. Human health for forty years and certainly i can appreciate that Realized there's a cost to it. But i also realized there's There's a better way of doing that. And that's that's exactly what we're trying to do. This is fascinating jay. I appreciate speaking with you. Thank you very much. Thank you jay. Golden is a biologist with the pharmaceutical company. Ally lilly he was in indianapolis for more. Cbc podcasts go to cbc dot ca slash podcasts.

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Episode 269: Kevin Parker On His Run For New York

Max & Murphy on Politics

24:28 min | 5 months ago

Episode 269: Kevin Parker On His Run For New York

"Max murphy we are Bringing this podcast to you because of some technical difficulties that our radio show last week. We want very much to hear from as many candidates as we can of these exciting twenty twenty one raises including the very important race for new york city comptroller and so very pleased to be joined by one of the democratic candidates for that post is democratic state. Senator kevin parker of brooklyn. He's represented the twenty first district bear since two thousand three. He is the majority whip and the chairman of the committee on energy and telecommunication senator parker welcome to maximum fee. Meal murphy. in fact. I think after this you should be walking around introducing me everywhere love it. I said a little moonlighting always happy for some extra income so we can take that off line but so let's talk about the job of comptroller that you're running for obviously this. This job has some different features from other jobs. there's a heavy financial kind of component to it How do you see it as unique y you want it and why do you think you're the best man for s personal for it. Yeah well you know. This is a unique time that we're in the middle of a pandemic where we're both you know people are putting their lives and livelihoods and i think this is an opportunity to take you know my eighteen years of service in the senate leadership but most importantly the vision that i have for this city on to another level i think no time more than now do need somebody with mike allen experience born and raised in brooklyn You know lived in niger. In bushwick houses With the public school my whole life and so. I have a lot of the experiences. That regular new yorkers have but on top of that. I've spent a lot of time working in public service in working in finance. Including for the first governor cuomo in his economic development agency worked on wall street for painewebber worked at the state controls office on the eight karma call and for the eighteen years that i've been in the state senate. I have been on the finance committee over a decade on the banking committee over a decade on the insurance committee. And so that work. I think has uniquely prepared me for the challenges that new york face And i really kind of know want to be at the forefront of helping new york sorta up but more importantly hope was growing ecobill ecobill equitable fashion so eighteen years albany. What stands out to you as top accomplishments. The things you are proud of. I would say Flipping the senate twice. I've been part of of you know a few of us. Who have you know who turn this from republican body to a democratic party And at the end of the day you know that has made all the difference in the ability for us to do things like rank control Codify a woman's right to choose is made a lot of difference in terms of the work we've done on democracy reform in the state On the work. We've helped around gay lesbian it. You know Folks as well as police reform and dealing with the those issues so I think that that that good good politics lead to good policy in the state of new york because of my work in the work of my colleagues. I'm curious Except you might wonder having having suffered through years in the wilderness. They're in the minority of is they. Will you came to office. Under even republican governor republicans in control the state senate as they had been for like forty or fifty years brief shot of the majority obviously the coup scuttled that and then finally winning the majority for in a solid fashion two thousand eighteen and now it has become a supermajority. It seems to me now. It'd be a time for you to get a lot of your legislative wishlist done. Get a tremendous amount done in albany I wanna leave. Why why why do you. Why are you looking for another job. It seems to be like the the salad days are here. I've never stopped being with the pass legislation. And in fact i the democratic senate on even when we're in the minority in passing legislation lashing twenty twenty during the pandemic a pass more legislation than anybody else in the state legislature in both houses. Right past forty bills out of the senate twenty one went to the governor's twenty became law. And so i've had a great deal of expertise doing that And i've and i spent the past more this year but i really just. This is now a kind of unique and important time. We have a lot of great new young people Joining the state legislature and. I think we're in good hands air. But i certainly am concerned about the fiscal health of our great city which is both the primarily economic engine that justice new york or this region but the entire country and again newton qualified for this position. And so that's why Being the become the new cynic controller so assess. What you see the stays fiscal condition now. Obviously in the present. We're in the middle of f evan. Emergency but talk a little bit about the past and the future in terms of the past you know. Did the city do enough to prepare four edo fiscal shocks like this debris to be sock enough money away. Do we spend too much money during the de blasio years in looking ahead you. Do you feel like the finances of the city. Have permanently changed by this crisis with people. Maybe not coming back to the office. People maybe not coming back to the city you know. What do you see. the risks. Long term to the city in terms of its debt is obligations. Was the picture. Look like to you the questions. Well i i think that there was no way to prepare for this kind of damage. This is like once in a century on take banana right. And so i thought the city had been as prepared as could've been for any panel major events and we look at the finest city it's not spectacular but it certainly Not you know so earth-shattering that we can't without we're in a position where i think we can figure it out. I think that the way that people are thinking about how we get out of it though is important. You're working with people talking about you. Know stimulus from the federal government. Which we're going to need new people talking about taxes on the state government and gambling and you know cannabis proceeds which i think all will probably be affecting be important for our state and our city But we're not gonna tax out of this situation. We're really going to need to grow out of it and it's really by creating full-time jobs at a living wage with benefits in economy that has moved from wall street the mainstream and so it's small business development And i'm excited. Even you know today. We're going to be actually passing a package of bills on the floor of the state senate around small businesses. And i'm so excited you know to have been part of that conversation because that's literally what we're going to need to do in order to Rebuild and grow it to these being And hopefully we can do it in ecobill echo. Echo will weigh And now i think as i look forward to we're I think we will be. I think we do it right. And we invest in our communities. We invest on main street so we put small businesses back into effect. We can create a dynamic with city is even better economic straights than it was prior to the pandemic by allowing all both rise together. Part of what you know. This pandemic has revealed is a terrible inequity. In our society progressively thinking york state. New york city is what we've found. Is that when the pandemic hit that it hit lies and livelihoods in a way that create the shoulder disparity that already existed. Ryan is african americans and latinos. You know dying and being in getting sick at a rate much higher than whites and then you saw that same dynamic in the context of the closing of small businesses and businesses. That may not return. Now i do expect that over time. The city will be as bustling as as a once was and but even the people have left is not crippling to the city. I mean the reality. The vast majority of the people in the city live in brooklyn queens in the bronx. Or your ghana's places there's no fact this still and those people need jobs in an ready to go back to work people don't wanna hand out they want wanna hand up and that's what we should be doing in government as putting them in position to take advantage of market forces and we should be creating dynamics in which market forces are strong enough to carry our economy up we've done in the past and so Some of that will be done through. Bb through some public works projects. But there's some basic things we can do to make the market stable And some of what i like to do. In the city controller's office is do a lot more work around bolstering of small businesses around two things one access to the capital and the second thing is technical assistance. We have people know how to run restaurants. You know to cook food. Don't know how to run. Restaurants people could build a table can't sell furniture and those people need access to capital. And we and i think there's a role opportunity to do that in a couple of ways. One of which is build out is used my office to help build out an infrastructure around access to small business resources as well as the capital but then also in the context of the pension fund to make sure that we're investing in companies that are investing in new york right and so although making profits for the for the pensioneers is job one. I don't see that as being mutually exclusive from finding great opportunities to make capital investments in the city. And so we really have to do you walk and chew gum at the same time and a one priority. At least your campaign website is improving the compliance at the city level with some of the goals around a minority women businesses And wbz's what would your approach to those being. How the comptroller help. I think is kind of approaches. The first has a again sticking on on the theme around the pension fund is that you know is a city that is over sixty percent black latino asian and women in less than two percent of the people who actually investable who are who have money under management in the pension fund. Come from those groups. We have the change that we have to make the pinch for more equitable in terms of the people who have access to managing that money to in fact create a financial infusion into our city and into our communities right. i think the second thing is obviously. I don't want people that fall into the. You know what i call the dunkin donuts maneuver right. People always looking at the whole in that donut. The reality is that we have a ninety billion dollar budget. In the city of new york is the fourth largest budget and the entire country after the federal go after the federal government the state of california state of new york and in fact the city of new york has a budget larger than forty eight states including texas and florida which have populations that are larger than the state of new york and so an incredible amount of money we also the largest city in the world. I'm sorry in the country even after you know we account for all the people who have gone to other places we're still the largest city in the country and that's really our our greatest investment out. Greatest asset is is out people. And so there's really a an opportunity to take that ninety billion dollar budget and use it in a way so next year even with you know whatever we call the deficit you know. Three billion five billion six billion. We're still going to spend around ninety billion dollars over twenty billion dollars of still going to be Contract it out and so we need to make sure that blacks latinos asians of women who against over sixty percent of the population of the city. Get their fair share at that over. Twenty billion dollars worth of investment that. We're making and to make sure that we're doing it in a way that's again equitable and that people have an opportunity You know at at again lifting their own lot by providing for this city Making a living for themselves because what are things we find out. Is that when african americans have their own businesses and they grow the actually hire other african americans latinos latinos the asians women hire women right and so and and so. The reality is that we're going to have to deal with the issue of labor market discrimination because the reality even though we we live in the shadow of wall street wall street is not in the fire industry right. Finance real estate are not going to resolve all of my issues although simultaneously ought to be preparing people for those jobs as well right and so I think it's gonna be all above approach. And i think that But we have to begin and we have to begin with small businesses and always have our focus on equitable Equity as we as we go forward and repair our economy and grow lcd back. You talked a lot about ways to use the power of investment of the office in the pension funds to do good. Obviously one of the decisions have been brought to recent comptrollers went to do. The opposite went to divest from particular companies or industries whether it's firearms you're private prisons or on the largest fossil fuels you never know what's gonna come down the pipe. If you're elected advocates may come to you in two or three years and say look we think. The city should get out of industry acts. How will you evaluate requests like that understanding yours at of moral role in the city and also your duty to the pension funds into the pension recipients in terms of guarding their fiduciary. Best interests. Right when it comes to the with the pension fund. If it doesn't make dollars it doesn't make sense right. The first job is to in fact make money for the pensioners and to make sure that we don't have to go into the pockets taxpayers to pay the pension funds right. So that's the first job. But i don't again don't think that that is mutually exclusive from the idea of having a pension fund that reflects the values and the feelings of the people the city of new york and the pensioners themselves who wants to see a better world as the chair of the energy and telecommunications committee for instance. I've spent a lot of time Dealing with the issue of how to build a clean energy economy and i think that this actually falls in line with how we rebuild the city. Right you you know. Green collar jobs are going to be absolutely critical in terms of how we again create full-time jobs. I live wage benefits and we can do that. And simultaneously manage a pension fund properly. That obviously needs to be done within the context of a trust. The board of trustees Because the city controller is not a sole trustee. He's is you know that person is just a member of the board. Not what chairs the board. But you know as a member of the board and has to manage those pedals five pension funds collaboratively. And i'm committed to that process of a working with the other trustees to in you'll do that important work But i think we have to follow this the numbers and follow the science Not as black and white saying okay. S so you take a company like national grid which provides you know Gas to the city right And a lot of people will consider gas because it creates carbon as something which would eliminate i agree. I also think is is a bridge fuel between today and the time that we get to a place where we are you know. Carbon neutral right and so And so you know you have to kind of understand that balanced the other thing is that national grid is also the largest single sustainable energy provider in the entire state of new york. So are you going to get rid of this. Large utility scale sustainable energy and build a baby out with the bathwater. Those kinds of things. We have to balance way and understand. How do we work with companies. I think also a role as an investor also gives us a lot of say in companies so it may not be necessarily a matter of just divesting but is sometimes a matter of helping those companies move with the times and move to a model that continues to make money for those these end for the pension fund but then simultaneously operate in a way that new yorkers is consistent with their values. Now there are gonna be sometimes in which you think that you know. We're we're going to need to do. We are need to divest. In fact i put in a bill last week A state senate. That says that we should be divesting ourselves from any you know any business or that that that donald trump has evolved Bins donald trump. Choir has businesses. Anybody who who Encourages edition addition. Our country certainly should not be making a profit off of that and certainly shouldn't be using State and city pension funds To to enrich themselves. And so as. I think they're going to be some times in which we wouldn't again Forgot how to do that. And again i don't think it's as crass as saying today were invested and then tomorrow we're not but does is processes that we're going to need to go through in order to divest ourselves From the things that we think are inconsistent. With what new yorkers wanna see in their investments your platform talks about a desire to fund evidence based programs that prevent new yorkers from turning to crime rather than spending the money on traditional policing is obviously a topic. A lot of folks have talked a lot about the past year. how does the comptroller encourage that. Is that about suggesting. Is that something to wreck. You could do well first of all. I've been one of the leaders in this whole on issue. Police reform in fact The state of new york with the first eight in the country to pass a comprehensive set of police reform legislation after the murder of george floyd. We pass a ten bill package of those ten bills. Four bills remind including a bill that You know created a penalty for falls nine one one reporting rain and bill that great a body camera program for state police right assisted. I've written shift in fifteen other bills including bills that restrict qualified immunity that define excessive use of force in the law. Emigres a non police response to homeless and mental health calls. And i you know. I expected continued to be Continue to be active on the legislative. Front is having a very as city controller to be somebody who has a very strong Government affairs office and both albany and city hall to make involved in less than a process. Currently the city controls. The only office of the mayor public advocate Who who cannot introduce legislation. I would love to work with the city council. And maybe you know. Change the make a charter. Change order to make that happen so that that that can be somewhat of a of a legislative function by the city. Controller's office. I think that would be a really important so i think there's lots of things that we could be doing in collaborating on. But in the meantime the way i've always done was the collaborate with my colleague from the state level in the city level the pass legislation. That's gonna be important What else will do immediately. Also is is What the police department. I think that it's worth doing not. Because i wanted to fund them but because i believe want to understand how they operate out what are the best ways that we can get a bang for buck. you know what we need it up and why. Pd is more transparency. more accountability. and i want them to serve and protect. But i want them to do though with dignity and respect and so You know i think the audit function Will help us get to that conversation in a in a real way. And where some of these initiatives that myself and others wolf in albany and the city had put forward can actually get implemented and we can have really the finest police force not just the latest in the country but the finest police in country as well so over the course of your long career. Public service have been a lot of hellas kevin parker but some of them have been about incidents in the distant past and not-so-distant where You seem to be very you got very angry and exchanges with fellow. Legislators others in the capital is is. Do you have an anger problem. Is that an issue that people have some concern about. I don't think so And let me let me be clear. You go through section by section ritual. Will you will find. Is you know there. Were you know things that needed to be done. When in fact you know you only have thirty. Two members of the senate majority whip. And i've been in the majority whip on the three leaders over ten years right You know there's probably a no one been both the majority whip and minority whip long. I have been in the legislature in the kind of work. I have And so if you wanna you know look at my disagreement with my good friend diane savino when she was a member of the idc and you know addressing that or the issues with reverend diaz and him and we know. What kind of recognize with people. Like carl kruger. And you know who eventually wise up. Jails again when you when you look at drill down and you know you know this specific instances they're very very very different than what people categorize them Enforce so But let me. Just say this. You know i've been office twenty years. I'm not the same person. I was twenty years ago and i've learned a lot about how to deal with my my my My colleagues and how to address issues in a very different way. But i'm very clear. You're not going to change the world with whisper and so i come to. The job is city controller with the same passion that i've come to the state senate with that passion and all that time and whatever issues people wanna talk about not once. Did anybody ever question my commitment to my job to the democratic conference of the state senate I am the person who be. Lean on when when You know things need to be resolved you know typically you know with the republicans but simultaneously. I'm the person who who who passed more bills in the minority in any of the democratic member right so even oh i might have been the democratic enforcer also somebody who understood the relationship side of of dealing with people or you know on the other side of the aisle And i could see that again. Have that same kind of perspective in terms of you know working with colleagues and understanding How to bridge the gap but also how to be firm in the moments in which You know firmness is required. so final. Question abe beame. Jay golden alan. Hevesi bill thomson john. Lewis scott stringer have two things in common. They were all sitting comptrollers and they all either ran for or are running for mayor. So i have to ask. Obviously it is commonly a stepping stone to that Do you think you'll run for mayor at some point. Let me is win this election. I mean you know who knows what what god has planned. It is my intention in this moment to become city control of the city of new york and to serve the people as well as i can into effect build the city in the city state. Park democrat i of the counter joining. Thank you

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(Bonus) Food on Foot

Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum

31:04 min | 1 year ago

(Bonus) Food on Foot

"You're listening to inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum this. This is a very special episode. I did some that changed my life. My my friend Rob Rob Danson. He's in my banned by the way and He's guitarist and he joined this. Organization called Food On Foot to nonprofit organization. They get homeless people off the streets and there's a lot of different organizations and they all do different things and I was like. Oh Great Roberts. Great the do that Ed and I remember one day he said. Hey I'm on my way to feed the homeless for the Organization for food on foot. You're going to pick you up so I decided to go with rob up and I think my life changed in many ways after that day. A very special episode. We Got Duke Sherman whose volunteer for food on foot. He's he's here today. Roy Soule is the guest. Roy Is He's going to tell you about his life and we'll see how much he opens up. But I appreciate you guys is that your support will links and all these things that you can be a part of this you could change. Someone's life you sears. Can Change someone's like this changed me so right now. Let's get get inside of Roy Soule. It's my pawn. You're listening to inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum back inside of you with Michael. Rosenbaum was not recorded in front. I live studio audience. We are at the LGBT building. In Hollywood I am with Duke Sherman whose volunteer at food on foot. I'm with rob dance into my lapped. Who is head of marketing food on foot? I'm here with the Star of the day. Roy Soule whenever got it right on I see well soul wheel are not. Oh you don't want your name okay. Last night with a mess it up correct and then they'd be looking like man you probably a couple months ago a couple of months ago feel about forty years but yeah a couple and let's see long. It feels like it's been forever and I'm only twenty one. So Yeah Yeah you you. You're forty six birthday. Remember we happy birthday so you can go. You can kill. I think I can so far so listen stories about you and I really appreciate you coming in and talking about because first of all it's it's hard it's hard to talk about. Be You've been through. Hell why I thought this was important as is because there's you know we just talked to the sixty thousand homeless people in Los Angeles Eighty thousand in New York. There's I mean hundreds of thousands across the country so it's just like it's an epidemic in you know we focus on so many other things even the presidential casino the campaigns and all these homelessness is one of those things that get lost in the cracks and people talk about it but nothing ever really get solved. You know like just read somewhere where Oh they increase. It's the occupancy in apartments where you know now more people are allowed to live in their like. That's going to solve it but why I'm here is because I felt like food on foot does change lives right. You know ninety percent effective rate and your story is it proves that so roy. You weren't homeless your whole life. You probably had things going right for a while. Then you had a lot of things going right for me for a while like my youngest day the play high school basketball then went from high school to college alledged parallel two years. And but the whole while I had a flip side to that people didn't know about it because I learned the art of being a criminal in whe- when I mean by that there have been a smart criminal because you have a criminal but you don't have spallina smart criminal because before I did anything though are always planet the two professor where I don't get caught period. There's no getting caught dead playing. It's on the planet period. What year was it? When you became homeless I became homeless in two thousand eighteen? Two thousand eighteen. Seventeen really Why seventeen because the two thousand seventeen and I had lost my job which I had a great doubt down in Sacramento at the maintenance guy that apartment conflict but fortunately though it was so and then the people want move everybody out so they can build a bit apartment conflicts new so once I lost my job I kinda like Los Everything I had a brand new two thousand sixteen Dr Chowdhary? Obviously not I had a wife at the time like I had the perfect life of a person that got out of prison and want to work and become better at the same meantime though if he appreciated what guy had bless you to get it all be taken away defense you got it so when did you were. You always searching for a way out of being homeless. And how long were you actually homeless for for a year. Now I WANNA say a year. I've saved probably nine and a half months. Maybe ten months at the most. How did you hear about food on foot? Well I heard about food on foot because I went to the library now. Always go to the little source need that they have their they give out a lot of information so every time China had the source at the library I would go there and so this time here in North Hollywood Jones there and she put me to Joan. Yeah well you know what we should rewind. Why don't we talk about the guy that got? This whole thing started because he was known as the chicken man. This is how the most I remember the first time I heard the story. J. Goldfinger Finger Goldfinger. Thank you for being here rob. But this is a guy that used to get El Pollo Loco by a bunch from the store openness trunk up and handed the homeless people. Yeah he he did this from you know and somehow that organically grew into what the program is today he just saw a need for it. You know and that's one of the most impressive impressive thing about J.. He saw need. He just decided to act Didn't really have any kind of long term intentions. I imagined but it just organically grew into the program and in the end now feeding over eighty four hundred people year and what what makes it different. You know From from my perspective what what makes the different religious that mutual accountability. The program creates You cannot help someone without them being receptive. And and the the program motivates or finds people who are motivated to turn her life around and help motivate people to want to turn their life around and then hold him accountable There's things they have to do the the you know. We hold them accountable to certain milestone accomplishments that they have to reach and then also honestly feel like a people were feel they. You take the program a lot more seriously. And they feel more a sense of pride and reward when they work for themselves and and it's not just handed to him. If you work for something you bust your butt hot and you make it happen. You're going to think twice before you let it go. Then if someone just handed to you you know so That's that's probably the biggest proponent of the program that makes exit very effective right and you know when I look at Roy. Look at someone who's always been motivated. You one that just throws pride out the window you like whatever it takes. Yeah I mean we we all have some type of pry but at the same time. Don't practice help you or hurt you at the same time about other people's situation and how van Dan they're identify tape my own pry. Okay how can you just help me to advance. Father now tutoring foot you know. They use the term high functioning shinning. Yeah people who are high functioning. Yeah the government raw. Maybe you can elaborate on this. The government gives money to people who are mentally ill those homeless people and others but the people who are high high functioning. Would you say they get lost in the mix that they called acuity and so there's like the high acuity are the are the people who are you know have a lot of a lot of drug drug addiction and You know mental health problems as well L. and so The the problem is is that the the newly homeless and like you just heard from Roy who said that you know. He was only really homeless for about nine months. These are the people people that are really kind of fall through those cracks from other nonprofit organizations and the government organizations and what what ends up happening is they get forgotten and what happens is really they kind of slip and become chronically homeless after several years. And so what we like to do is what we say is that we catch these people before they slip into chronic homelessness which actually saves a lot of tax payers. Money because it is a lot more expensive and a lot more difficult to rehabilitate someone. Once they've been on the streets for years and years and years you catch these people before they fall into deeper for hole so to speak so I wanNA talk about. How really talking about how food on foot works because a lot of people are listening are going okay? We have homeless. We have organizations that help. What is going to do? That's different from all the other organizations. I've I'm homeless. What do I do and how does it all start So yes so. There's two major parts of the program right so the Sunday serving program on where we feed anywhere from one hundred and fifty plus people every Sunday. eighty four hundred mention inching over the course of a year during the holidays. Thanksgiving and Christmas. That number can easily exceed over. Three hundred So that's that's one aspect of the program but one of the other pillars. The program is to work for food. Program and work for Food Program is Essentially as a as a new participant you come in you start as a green shirt You're showing knowing that you want to be or you're showing that you want Turn your life around and as a green shirt here. There's responsibilities that you have to perform part of those responsibilities is showing consecutively. Actively every Sunday twenty weeks in a row going through the community picking up trash we also give them a trash routes in the morning that they have have to go through and execute on on a daily basis as well so they don't work they gotta work at work for what what happens if someone misses a week. We'll we'll still keep you in a program program obviously so it's We're we're not kicking people out in the program for anything like that but what can happen is that can add to how long or at your how long long. You'RE GONNA be a great show a green shirt for so it might keep you in the program for another week. I Imagine Robin. Probably tell you more about that but but you're going to have to make a four just like if you misclass- you got a makeup for your assignment so to speak and what is your You come in the morning. Whatever work they give you? There's also lectures or seminars and things like that there's also lectures are for example before they go for their route. They meet together They they meet with our program director. Someone else. We haven't mentioned who's is absolutely awesome is Kelsey and Kelsey pretty much. She she meets with them. Talk to talk to them about giving them resources things necessary for them to be successful. I'm rockin probably a lot more about the resources she has to have available to him but After after they meet Talk about out there week. Make sure they have all the necessary resources they need to Continue with the program Then on the routes and they have to perform their routes we reward them on a weekly basis for for positive attitude. We you know if you have a really positive attitude we incentivize that behavior T continue but once you like Ralph cars cards bus cars It can be A car to lay the eighties or things. Oh you did for many weeks yes. I'd like to kind of add to that. So what we do is we operate on what we like to call is the trust I model A lot of homeless people that are out there. I mean they lose a lot of trust. They lose trust within themselves but they also lose trust within other organizations organizations that are promising to help them out and the the reality of the matter is that there's a lot of organizations that promise people resources is an apartments and A lot of other things out there and the funding just comes really really slowly and We operate radon somewhat of a different level because we don't take any sort of government funds and it's all independent funds and what that really means is that we can provide high quality care without sort of bureaucratic Arctic restrictions and red tape and so when someone needs something immediately a we can actually give it to them and so with trust I like I said not only is it the trust within themselves like self esteem and confidence which is one of the very first things that we focus on but it's also showing participants in the program. You know people like Roy that they can really trust us as as an organization ultimately it's the green shirt showing motivation showing up every day. Absolutely doing whatever you can. I want to an apartment. I WANNA have a job. I want to have the life that I deserve. Absolutely you know it's kind of like the old saying you know. Success happens when preparation meets opportunity. You know so they're preparing. They're preparing themselves to you. Know to like rob said able to trust themselves. Trust their own were trust their our own ability and you know after going through that process and creating those positive habits. That's probably been lacking you know for for a period of time Then we we we see that and we and once that person choice it at you know state then the opportunity is that's where we come in. We provide them the opportunity to get a fulltime job a permanent it housing. No roommate fully furnish Take care of all their living expenses for a period of time until they accumulate five thousand dollars in savings and then we have a graduation relation for the person at this point. They're you know. been working a fulltime job. Now for probably five to six months They've been living in their own home home for a while. They're they're on the right path and they have a little bit of a nest egg in case you know emergency. We all know life. Click situations can happen right. But that's that's the dollars that they're giving you guys checks every they give J. C. checks at the end of that they reach five thousand boom. We turn around account five thousand house back to them. Is Your Nestegg having apartment. You have a job. Hey Yeah and notices these people that graduate they come back Roy. That's always here to help. I didn't know that I can survive off of seventy five dollars a week in not only setting five dollars bank account ain't GonNa tell you how much but it's a lot now. I've been at my job for almost Muslim nine months and I got over ten thousand dollars in put it that way and I pay my rent pay. Whatever bills have easily people after like why are we have got a cost? I do got a car. I got plenty of Carl. I can go get on the Twelve Bucks Institute twelve but the way I can get on the red line I have all these transportation here. That's how you say I'm looking at I'm looking at you and I'm going. This is exactly why you graduated so fast. It Pr- It was he the fastest one that graduated I do. I don't even know that he definitely wanted them. So once you were green shirt rob you become a gray shirt. Now this is this is how long do people wait to become a gray shirt so really so so the green shirt stage like like Duke was saying is Really it's It you have to show up to the program for twenty consecutive weeks. But it's not only only just showing up. I mean it's it's really kind of going through all of the different workshops which has Which the workshops what they do is they give people what we like to call it? The life skills education and so that's anything from like mock interview training for the jobs that we will eventually help them find money management skills for once they start to receive those paychecks checks and also crisis management as well. Because you know there's a lot of people that you know living on the streets there's a lot of PTSD and depression and just it's just hard times and and They really need someone to talk to. And what a lot of times what people end up with a lot of graduates and people from this programs are to say is that this isn't just a program program this is a family and this is why people like like Roy like to come back and so they really volunteer their time and show the incoming participants kind of social proof that If if they work card and they show up to the program and they do this and that That they too will be able to get a fulltime job in their own apartment and that really happens after twenty consecutive weeks. There's probably a lot of questions out there. And you guys are thinking okay. They become agree. Green should than the ratio. But there's a lot of things that go on with gracious like the is not just an absolute trust. I would say it's more like hey you have to be sober for sixty days. Once you're gray shirt for in order for you even enter the program. They do even as a green shirt for you to enter the program you have. They go through drug testing and and and they also do a background check. But the but they're like rob was saying that the background check is more based on trust on. There's nothing that can stop someone from entering the program based on their background background. But we want you to tell us we WANNA know What's your background essentially? And if you if you're honest then that's that's fine we can work with you. Government doesn't give any any funds right. There's nothing this is all an organization that just relies basically on donations. And what's called the ninety eight dollar club. Yeah yeah the nine hundred dollar club member Yep to listen to this because it's so important you know my whole thing is when you hear the stories ninety dollars a month you when you see. This actually turns the people's lives around and saves them. It's like ninety dollars all my asshole. Friends what do we do. We go to Jack in the box. We spent twenty bucks a week on some crap things that we don't need and when you look at it and go. Wow this could actually save. Someone gives them an opportunity to change your life. It's so easy to do the so many people you can really help. And this isn't like again one of those organizations that Just because I'll give this money and you don't know where it's going to so many of those even with the hurricanes and that's like Oh don't give your money to these people you know. Make sure you give it. Everything goes to the people who are trying to save th to change their lives. So yes Michael. My wife and I Prior to joining. We're just you know once you know once a quarter like most you know people you do audit on your finances and kind of see where you're spending most of your money and we're sitting there and we're just budgeting for you know future plans and and looking at some of our expenses and we're spending about fifty bucks a week on starbucks. You know fifty bucks a week starbucks and and I mean it just. We just realized there's so much waste in in what we do on a daily basis weekly basis and so forth and and there's a great massive opportunity in need out there for you to you. Know be smart about your finances schism give back to your community because you may not think is going to impact you now but in the long run everything we do. We're all connected is going to pack eventually and So that is is motivated us. We look and we sat nine bucks a month. This is an honor to be able to. You know just not be so wasteful and take some of the you know the the the money that we can easily We're blowing at starbucks and fast food and wherever else right and be able to use that same money to literally change somebody else's life and I think there's a lot of misconceptions this is about you know I got here. I was you know somebody came up to me like I know everything becoming for a couple months. Whatever and I'm like they're like Oh so is all the foods donated now Jay? The organization buys the food for thought to legal. Somebody gets sick. They could sue El Pollo Loco. Whatever so jay buys all the food all the snacks? There's tons of people bring all these these clothes in and one of the main reasons and From for from my experience from what I heard is the reason why he buys most of the food and and it's not through donations. Nothing wrong donation. It's just that it's not consistent and you can't it's not. There's no way you can hold someone accountable to donating and and like rob stated and we we keep repeating is on. This program is based on entrusts. I'm the homeless community folks when it come. You're on Sunday. They are expecting a certain kind of experience and be able to deliver that experience every single time week week after week becomes is probably the cornerstone of the program. I would say. And that's one of the reasons why Jay Likes to maintain certain controls to to be able to create the same level of consistency on a weekly basis. He really likes to see volunteers. Come out he said something to me that it's sort of like when someone says. I don't think you got your capable all of a plane on this team you know. He said something like He. A lot of people who joined the ninety eight dollars club they usually donate and then they never come back but they donate they. Don't come back and I'm glad he said that at first I was like I'm gonNA prove him wrong. I'M GONNA come out here but now after seeing your face and seeing Roy and seeing these people. Because it's almost like you're you're right there's this family essence and you see something that works and it's getting out of your own head. It's getting any dates going. Hey I want to give back. I'm going to stop thinking about my fuck himself. Self could say that right. It's my podcast. But yeah like you said you know the golden goal for someone like Roy and Eric actually graduated last week and he says something to me that was very touching. You know There's times in through his process of Maine Green Shirt and and and trying to grow and become more and more responsible. There was times. uh-huh were were trying. You know he was going through adversity and he thought about quitting and lobbies people when they come out and they see the same faces and they around the positive energy like Roy said when he first came in you know there is like a tesol. TV cameras he saw you know successful individuals creating their own destiny and just being around rounded energies healthier environment and for volunteer for me from my perspective it helps with perspective. It gives you perspective when you see someone one. You think you're you're having a bad day like you said Michael you know in in your intro thinking having this this day you know a woe is me and then you come to a program like this and you see someone literally turning their life around someone who is sleeping underneath a bridge and by the end of the day. They're checking into their apartment. You know for the first time fully furnished. You when you go back to your situation you you have a newfound perspective on your life in the things that are important the US well. So what's the win win for each person to go through a program like this. What is the organization need to make for that one individual who graduates the program? So I mean the cost vary per for individual but really on average. It's about fifteen thousand dollars so It's it's the programs nine month program. And so that really covers the like all the workshops that our program directors do but then also The rent that we help provide when they are in that halfway choice stage which is called a gray shirt stage so we we help them with their rent We get them a monthly bus pass. We give them a cell phone on food gift cards and then also like little things to that that they need just to really Have that confidence and survive in their job. So any little things could be like eyeglasses or haircuts cuts or if they need workloads for their new job or work boots Los Angeles is a really hot city so so and a lot of the apartments. Don't have you know central air so we help people with like AC units because You know people do need a sleep well and and be comfortable and you know and if you're a running around working all day and You're super exhausted. I mean the last thing you want to do is go home to a boiling hot room. So so that's kind of how we help them out. I'm going to read you something real quick on Tuesday as the morning county officials released the results of Los Angeles two thousand nineteen homeless. Count The cording to the report which was compiled by the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority L. A. Hsa the number of angelenos living in tents vehicles in shelters increased by twelve percent in the county and sixteen percent in the city since two thousand eighteen count raising the total number of homeless Angelenos to fifty eight thousand nine hundred and thirty six and thirty six thousand three hundred respectively effectively. So there's so many people around us that just need help and why aren't there. More organizations at the goal is the goal to get as many more food on foots out there across the country and how I mean. It's a stupid question. Sounds stupid but like only you would know because like if I'm sitting with my friends and I'm like Oh hey rob what's it like to be homeless. I assume it's not fun Roy. Tell me how fun being homeless where the most unfunded about being homeless if the dangerous so so been homeless what about the dangers of being homeless. Imagine leave sleeping on the sidewalk specially by highway and a call lose control. Do you sleep. Life is ended a matter sleeping in the woods. Snake get on spotted on you rescued on. Somebody's Tatler be walking through and might see something they won't you wait up and fight happen. Like homeless is never a safe place period. Nowhere like people saying. Oh Yeah it's a whole group of them they are because he's sleeping in tents. No is very dangerous. I don't think people get beat up for nothing just like land aren't GonNa Sleep Group of kids walk by and got nothing better to do high or whatever the case may be and just jump on the people start kicking him everything. I only have one go in the making also the screen. I never thought about anything happening to them and never thought about about What if this happened? What did happen and I just kept faith in God? Nothing good is going to happen to them. And I kept that faith I never gave up hope about getting discreet. And that's what happened with a lot of homeless. They give up hope about getting off discreet. inclosing I wanted to ask you guys a question each all right because this is important one roy. What would you say to people listening right now? Who are doubting or thinking oh organization I don't what would you say? Data them to convince them that this works. Well I can't really say anything. Convinced them to say that it really works what happens when you're I see south eighteen deaths what you believe in so if you courage them the discount take a look at it for yourself. Then that's when they get that greater. Feel like you do like once you came like look at you like you hear here almost every single I mean so you right and that's the key Endesa key thing about this program once you see it you can believe it you own sale sale duke. Where do people go to find food on foot on line? WW DOT food on foot dot org so we before around just in closing. I I just want to take a quick second to acknowledge J.. Golddigger again. This guy started this program twenty. Three years ago he's been coming consistently every Sunday Day Rain Snow doesn't matter. He's here on Sunday. And it's it's hard to find anyone. I mean out there would that level of persistence and preservations earns two to serve you know. And and he's he's a great inspiration in my personal in my life you know. I'm just seeing what he's been able to do and what he's been able to put together and the outcome outcome of this program. You know Roy you're product of this program and there's so many other names that we can share with you that that's doing well in their life has changed because of it. This has eighty five percent. Success Rate Programs government programs helping homeless folks fifteen percent success rate is the national average eighty five percent success rate it works and when you come you see it working before your very eyes you see people coming in you know shy timid and blossoming into this strong develop confident personality. They take a holistic approach to to Changing individual live. We're not just throwing money at the problem. Like most organizations do We take a holistic approach from you know for mentally spiritually physically and and I think that's what what makes the program worked. So yeah absolutely guys at once again. If you're looking to be part of an organization at work we highly you know. Invite you we want you to go check because out of food on foot DOT ORG and you're you're welcome to come see what we're doing here. Yeah I don't know what else to say other than that. I mean rob. Do you have anything to say. I really want ought to think Thank you Michael for all the hard work that you've been doing I mean ever since I introduced you to to food on foot several I mean I think it's been about six six months now something like that And you came out. I mean I just saw how how much you know foot has impacted you and how much you want it to help. You know you're always calling me up saying hey I'm coming out on Sunday. I'm coming out on Sunday. I WANNA volunteer. I'm GONNA volunteer Let's let's do let's do it and you know you're you're coming out and then you're also bringing your friends out as well and you're really spreading the word and And I yeah I mean that's that's amazing and I mean you're you're a wonderful person for doing all this great friend. I just WanNa say thank you. He'll Miss Hogue almost emotional as ah I was. I was getting a little bit. There's a word that I don't use a lot of because it's a big word altruism comes to mind I look at a guy like Jay golden anger but he's so consumed in getting people off the streets and turning people's lives around you know it's one of those things were like I remember. I've said this before. I told you hockey player Mark Messier said it's not character is not based on what you do in. The cameras are rolling when everybody sees you. Hey look I'm feeding the homeless man. Look it's what you do when the cameras aren't rolling. It's what you're doing when you go hug someone on the street like you said who you. He knows homeless and talking to them. And things like that and it just like those are the those that's humanity. I think all of you guys today Roy Duke Rob for being here here and I I just I hope people listen and I hope eventually this gets better and better because I think you know people deserve a second chance has a lot. aww people that want it. And so they're relying on us as a fellow human beings to sometimes step up and like they both said Roy and and Duke said all you gotTa do is come down schrader street in Hollywood behind the LGBT building. On Sunday. At three o'clock. And I think you're going to have a better not only a better understanding but you're gonNA open your hearts going to be open a little more than it was a guarantee that so Thank you Roy Duke Rob for allowing me to be inside of you today. That you guys have been there

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Episode 122  gRPC using .NET Core with Steve Gordon

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Episode 122 gRPC using .NET Core with Steve Gordon

"Name uh-huh Hello and welcome to six-figure developer. podcast the podcast where we talked about new and exciting technologies professional all development code career advancement and more. I'm John Calloway. I'm Clayton Hunt Nash with US Today is Steve Gordon. Steve is a floral site author Microsoft VP senior developer and community lead based in Brighton UK. Welcome Steve Hi. Thanks for having me. So a Steve Before we get started and jump into the meat of the PODCAST. Would you just give us a little bit of an introduction to yourself and maybe sort of tell us about how you got got started in the industry. Sure so it's why thinking about found searching earlier on and I was thinking nineteen twenty years now since I've been in taking district in general Didn't start out as a developer. Moore's law rose in Taqwa around still PC support Them not moved naturally into so the servers networking and found that I was kind of interested in developments messing around with things like quick by. They say I think V Six probably at the time and just sort of playing around funding feats in development In hobe grew a little bit more am on the next job so I found that I didn't have enough Desktop work to be doing so I said we didn't Internet. Oh why don't we make an IT applications. I started playing around with. I think at the time we were using sort of access and Vdi Classic is there as well And then can sort of meeting for Hit v DOT net around on that one uninstalled it to realize that it was easy to learn see shop than keep US trends counting the samples US finding online shopping's of Ebay so Sort of took that move out four years ago I was. I was actually in a management role at that onstage managing support Afro Lodge Customer Vows and I found quite stressful wasn't really enjoying the job I was taking more and more side projects on the customer's doing is peanut web. Applications things that and decided. Actually I enjoy this as as a Dago And then sort of switch careers about four years ago full-time into a developer Rollo at magic. And Yeah you. You can't stop me now very cool. So what are you doing there. A what what sort of like are you focused on their safe. The last to for years. I've been building out. A couple of US have been building a project which could insights which is a analytics and reporting suite. Let's have that sort of boats on a due to the streaming out of our product. So I'll I'll main product is digital. Job Boards Bicycling You sort of go sort of hundreds of customers running one of variance of also troubled technology We had sort of basic analytics nice platforms but we wanted to The game Dylan Moran realtime incites. Listen things so we built in event stream advice platforms and a sequence of Marcus services. Ready to price data and eventually store downing downings what aspects such and we built a sort of a set of APO is occurring over the top of outside. That's taken to for years. And now we're in a break the Mona Leaf faced with the actual existing product. So we're starting to take hold of that. Learning of what he's done with is mark services and try and sliced chunks off the existing products. So we kind that she kind of really starts. Hr Al not quickly as well and you you do a fair amount of writing and blogging. As well I know that a came across your you're riding riding a a year or two ago and really enjoyed a lot of the things I was reading. It seems like you're really focusing and learning and digesting and in writing about the the latest and greatest technologies. That are that are coming out. Yeah I'm glad you found those in Phantom enjoyable. Yeah I think it time Kinda well with with that project kicking off ready we would building around the the dot net cool buffer We were actually in the Aussie one phase when we started putting the first few bits into production and which did bites us a little? If the changes they made between all season the final release. But that's what behind this now friends again But because because we were kind of some of the people to be using that tech in production it meant. It was a lot of things that when I was trying to find out how to do them. I just couldn't find the the obstacles or the information nations Give blogging the fifth attempts over the years. I've tried blogging with varying degrees of consistency But with this is new sort of Area to explore. I just went around trying to solve problems in them down onto onto the bulk and yeah is reasonably consistent now trendier under something of realty weeks. I've fleet Just I've arisen out there who is sort of fresh take on something and I find Aridi good way to take what I've been learning and kind of bet it into my mind not the best memories but if I write it down some of it so sticks and if it doesn't usually Google for myself and find Nitra so you mentioned Breaking apart the monolith what sort of the approach that you have had had to take to kind of do that successfully. So we're we're a phases and the way we've we've tackled it is. We've we've split. What was the original new? You sort of platform support team into into multiple groups rarely in each of kind of taken a few specific slices of what the existing application does so could've team stealing with joke display joke. Details display which was obviously one of the key pages on existing site is is being able to get good job information onscreen onscreen making it clear for people to what they were around? That page eventually apply for jobs through the jumbo platform. So that was the one slice thima tackling another of a team. That's working around some of the data unused management pieces over on the back. We've come to take some distinct slices that we can. We feel we can break Paul. I'm I'm we're at the moment now. Sort of testing the initial phases of that work We're in aws so we just using cloud from two root some of the sudden pops off. Today's is new applications slowly building the traffic up And it's it's definitely a learning curve for everyone involved My side of it is more around what we coating the cool services. Say as we that stuff Nice analytics showed needs to be slightly reconsidered because when everything was in a single process assess the world was quite straightforward. Now we have to manage a sort of concept of analytic session. Someone viewing fewing different jobs around the site across multiple services. So we sort of been working on. The underpinnings of that platform configuration becomes a whole new challenge. When you need different people picking up up different different configuration? From what was the the old ex Melba system into now most centralized. API stole for that. Yeah I'm just just sort of taking those smoot chunks really as all office as I'm laying the groundwork hopefully a slicing off more more chunks until eventually we've we've kind of swallowed. What was the monolith? Life into the series of micro services. Have you had any particular challenges in breaking apart. The monolith in inter process communication between the micro services. or or how. How do you deal with the flow of what the existing monolith may may have Yeah so that has been probably a big learning curve in terms of again when you put everything in price coating efforts across all of your different that policy application becomes really straightforward as we started to to shift into these individuals seventies his some of them are. API Some person pipelines. We've had reconsider what it means to communicate between those items What was a mythical could could potentially become a hasty But what we tried to do is avoid Kind of coupling wherever we can because if you end up with tens even hundreds of Mark Services now chatting http you've really just been commonly referred to now distributes and that doesn't necessarily solve any problems for the point of view being able to individually deploy services because typically that message structure becomes End Up needing to deploy sequence of these times. We've moved As much as possible to message based architectures so wherever we can all fly something onto a message queue the further down the line. We'll get processed essentially icing critically. We've preferred to go that approach there. They're all set in situations where we still have the need to do. A request response type Communication between the services. We have to We've broken up. The the the reporting suite for example has acquiring land that Nice House work with elastic search him build up dynamic queries against what is many terabytes of data. They now APP and we have a sort of high level abstraction which is the land that works on the reporting Controls the stretchy. Interact with a nice to do kind of coupled Because when you won't touch you run a report. It has far requests through the query and the response before returning to the so today. Okay that's C. T. P. Sort of regular rest based. API is the area that I'm starting to experiment with explorers is looking at Asiatic Golfie C.. which is not a CPA new technology? But he's quite new to this other dot net stacking up mark soft made it a first party sort of web project can build now in a speed on cool free and so we've been starting to explore what the possibilities are bringing jail in how how has is Like the using using that event based messaging sort of paradigm shift. How does that sort of changed the way you saw? We are having to think about problems and changing nick problems are maybe this guy who also ties into some of the like breaking things up into smaller pieces. Yeah I think when you start thinking about what can be offloaded as a an asynchronous piece of pricing you do start to define boundaries within your application So we've typically gone. Does this thing that we're doing at the moment need to happen. A major late be able to return a reasonable response to these two. We need to be Run this big piece of code or could we just eventually come back to them and say this has been done either via some nights vacation such as email or possibly even browser as the pups next vacations which bases can we just yet we doing this? And and take that off line So it's worrying. This sort of work work the moment on on defining nice features for example sort of in the reporting suite. Oversee things like being downloaded Quite key Phil customers. But that doesn't necessarily have to happen on the click of a browser button and I have to sit there and wait for it to turn and send the data we find out message into a key and we have a pricing service pigs messages phumzile into whatever output. We need to provide for them for the extra mile All maybe a CSV and then we just send them a download link when that's ready to to guy and so that's kind of helped this split that Paul the application application up quite nicely because we can say okay. This is what this whole sort of domain which is around shedding of services shuttling propose And then we have. The kind of report runs is in the background. The office messages. Come in one of the other night advantages. The thought flow is that it means we now independently scale of these elements in with the scheduling. Services are under load. But that usually underlie might be on a Monday at five. AM In the morning preparing the week. He reports people waiting for probably when they come in at nine. Am but it's busy time. So we scaled I services up up by Sochi volumes and just have as many as we need to shed free the what light the rest of the day that can scale back down the weekends. We may scale down to zero because no one site free running too many reports Enjoy weekends and that has given minister real degree of flexibility. On really how we think about using the computer that we're we're running these things on top of a few minutes ago you mentioned engined. DRP See Term has been floating around lately is it is it just. RPC from from way back before soap or is there there something special about it what is gop so there are some definite similarities to to what people might be familiar with the maybe some people sort of it it sort of our pc immediately. Fear where we're heading with that A lot of people Memories of working different platforms frameworks time. It is very much obviously in the sense that you all writings Essentially looks like you'll cooling method but it's executing on some of over device with some other process elsewhere. The difference is that it's been essentially designed to fit nights. The mood nicely with the hasty to to be mobile under the hood and in fact as you us on top of continue specifically head is used for transferring data including including potentially trading headers for information. About how the cool when Hind achieved but it it has the collins even so the features of co-generation which some people may like others may not you can have a contract you define it upfront. In terms of the types of methods that you won't be available in the message passage structure that you want to send that will then allow you to generate Annual Client Code and from the client cooling a fruitless gop see methods is pretty straightforward. You bringing the The the appropriate libraries Bringing the price fall which is the practical who buffets specification of what your service look like And that will generate the kinds of things you can just basically citing get with a full call so get get report Handle all of the civilization plays messages the transmission HCD PTA on the welcome never enter so the producers response on Sunday back over. The wires is going to handle seamlessly for you. Released in two thousand sixteen. Google has been dot net Klein. I think pretty much not from the beginning but marks team has done more recently is kinda tried to make it fit in a more sort of idiomatic see shop weld on top of things like the Castro web server as a Komo negatively now is Paul of as we don't let cool he can just bring in your gop service and have that The speed benefits that we get Castro today and then from your your clients like code the libraries of fit nicely into so hasty to be con. You can easily make your request To be connection so we've been sort of exploring it just sorta see what are the benefits. What are the pros and cons and one of the two things that we'd particularly liked his is actually that contract for so we'll mostly dot net shop? Aw We do have now from teams typically building Fronton so beckons Applications and something we found ourselves doing often is having to have these communications between teams of. Okay we're going to change the model particularly as we are in the early phases of this breaking them on the left. What we think we we need to send over the watts Changes daily even weekly I'm having to go to keep those models in sync is a bit of a pain in the NFC. The code around the smuggles has to change change to which you'll be because we have that they fall? Both teams can consume The node libraries. That can Do Node Code in Java scrip- co-generation Just the same as we condone the side but it means the keeping those mobile's in sync should in theory be a bit easier. We correct quite quickly with less boy to play code that we have to run hand frost. The second rid advantages is around the performance side of things with a we haven't put any of these into production yet Typing this locally but with certainly seeing the the the payloads across the wire of our about half the size allies they were before maybe even more and we can get sort of two or three times speed improvements sending messages because GOP's by sonal a binary civilization Yeah I've been really impressed with the the tooling. That's come out in the generation for the profiles and spitting up the the summer in the client and the availability for a variety of different programming languages. It seems like that's key to getting the the adoption and the buy in from the community is producing that tooling the documentation in making the barred entry. So so very low. I think so and I think because that's what we're saying I think we've with is co free is one of the the key pieces work has been around this is making. GOP see a practical unrealistic mystical For Dot net developers society the libraries of Inam. For some time. If you want to kind of pull those libraries in easing your projects you are able to build a Gop See clients says but there was a lot more that you would have to do heavy lifting that you would have to date to set the Potentially why into into a web servers and things like that the the need for HP to support is obviously a dependency there as well which the team have been able to bring in line with with Castro and changes to H- H to declined to support lap Moving forward Sites is definitely something that I think now is until more developers to explore There are challenges. Alan do I think around the deployment side which is the reason. We haven't got to production with a yet. It does require that you have a H- h t t to to the from sort of client to server working through the appropriate light balancing relations as we're running everything in aws say two dates the story for deploying gop see that has been and a little complex. I know the teams they are working on sort of trying to bring it into the into the mash product and highly anticipated Thilo balances on top of contained services. Which is why we deployed today? Which I think will make the sort of moving production stories but marks of tunnel notre? The work in terms terms of the develop has side of the story. So for someone who's not really familiar with the G. O. R. P. C. Like myself why. Why would what I? Why would I use it or why am I not use it over? Something like a rest. endpoint you kind of mentioned the contract so as being as it's a big pro and then also saying that you have some additional performance. Are there reasons why shouldn't just automatically go. Yeah I think in terms of sort of yeah Way You wear. You might want to apply this. I would say it's it's the technology that looks very interesting to us. But we wouldn't go back retrospectively. Destroy the rest points. We have today partly the does the work you know. These things are working and functioning unless the performance is a is a real a key gained people we wouldn't necessarily sort of jumped Certainy within our reporting product we have snow is way it would be quite nice the potentially do more real time data all the way through As as events come in to die. Everything's kind of you. You build your report. You run your report. You have your the data Gop See one of his of a distinguishing features. I've assorted traditional rest is that it supports natively a client and all service streaming so you can stream messages indicted from your clients to the south of which will end just prices as it receives them. Interestingly Frost would be the Conserva a streaming scenarios where we could serve continually streaming down data data potentially to to the the front-end application and then if we use a Colossi technology. We could get tight till the way down into the browser and I think those are the stories where perhaps it's probably somewhere to considerate. I if you've got scenarios where you want to do real time or you want to do sort of regular date updates That could be. That could be a good starting point full food for way you bring it in. I think from all perspective if the production story was a bit simpler. Perhaps we'd be more keen to to build everything that way but Finale GonNa just looking at distinctive points that we can see where there's either high volumes of data and we can get the Sort of compression and reduced size benefits Well we can look at those streaming type scenarios. Okay now that makes sense to me so speaking about the production scenario if if I was a developer on a team and we were about to start some new greenfield project. Should I really be looking into pc right now or is there still some work. Doc may be on the. I'd like an Amazon Azure. That needs to be done before. I should really dive in. I think depending on where you deployed It may still be just that mid to early Need for all point few feels like we need in our case aws choice. It's similar for people in Asia we need the deployment story to be very consistent reliable and fell easy to to understand. That said ahead for us. We have sort of seen the this looks like technology. That's definitely progressing and the compromise seemed to be definitely moving towards the support. What needed to set up like balances can support this kind of hd to be too From End to end and so we saw as visited sort of To at least explore the technology so we started with a couple of small sort of internal practice For Services. We were considering sibling building UNNEC step really is to also look at existing points. We have to die on the Nice thing is we. We can run. HDTV rest points alongside alongside gop so we couldn't put in a GOP important. That's mimicking something we have today. Run them if we will do on the same Kestrel website. I'm we then start to try shifting a little bit of traffic five eighty cool into the Russian UNSEE is giving. It's the free Expecting is giving everything we won't from from GOP but it feels like marks definitely sort of done the big push a huge huge investment. I think in terms of the time they put into the technology I think that's what he made the story a lot. More from seeing Fidel net developers in is now much better documented built-in on top of what we sort of what we think today. Already if the production side Mature which I I think probably in the next few months we will start to see things. Rollout make life easier as it becomes technology. People really trying to push if I did go with authorised in points for now you said something about running side by side is a relatively easy to convert arrest point two. GOP later if the production the story does become better says not sort of necessary something that you would convert wants the other but will typically look to do is is to build up that Protais fall from you'll message structure and the The signature essentially the methods that you won't be able to cool and the weaving Castro. You can just adds the GOP service To be served on the eight eight handles the points essentially for you so the cost. He's Oh kind of manage Seamlessly under the hood. So you can have have your existing arrest points still sitting in the application and pricing as it did before a Grefell from stack fly has has got some practice off dot net libraries which he's working to support Essentially code I concepts around. GOP side his approach. That is that you. As as that to be your is to your modal clauses. That would allow the light. Return to stand how you would want lacy realized using tip off one of the key features of prey to buffy the Internet. She sends a property names. The why you just send integer identifies for the data. That's going across the one of the things he doing that. That civilization in prices is identify. What each property is going to be numbered said on both ends as long as you've got that protocol you can translate the data the receiving leaving but without library you couldn't? I'm at those attributes onto your mobile causes. And if he won't generate price fall for you so that that would be a starting point of sort of seen discussions around sort of where they can take out in terms of making it much easier to transition in projects months of the other. Are there any security concerns or any performance concerns with the the stream of data if you look into doing doing full-scale public facing websites and is there anything to be aware of That a lot of US probably have a large amount of experience writing restful services yeah Thir- is a really good question because where I see this working. Most breath easily is is for back end service to serve as communication inside services environment. Something we haven't considered yet is whether we would potentially eventually expose. GOP services out to sort of external customers perhaps the wet with Because they're awesome additional challenges are about how you talk district you'll Keep keep that prices walking Sutton on security sewing AIDS with the integrations. Don't the team. If done on top of Castro the authentication story is pretty much. What unites dice? A the same of indication middleware can run in front of fuel. GOP services his And you can use the same sort of concept so Iraq to beat soul Code additions to identify which values can run on the site. Perhaps a certain enrolled Claims that have access to operate on Nice But yes certainly I think for us. The starting point would be Marker Service Tomorrow Service Communication Robinson end clients to to service a communication. Because we've in that sort of safety net of our MVP see We can sort of things down and lock things down within the aws environment as well as just the the web services themselves. Are there any NIA resources that you would point people to who are looking to get started with the GPC or maybe even we talked about kind of even higher level Micra says is breaking things down from the monolith and working with Microsoft Where would you direct people so much? Stocks is getting ready. Good these days adults soft. Come on over the release of Free put Cool I'm a lot of the. Gop See documentation went live at the same time So that's Just stop from a sort of ground zero. How do I get my first projects in how to define the Fall a nice kind of things if you're looking for something a bit deeper around by gop see and mark services the the free e books that mark so if now have online assay excessively free sort of topsoil soon Garlic deeper so I live each shop for containers. Some application and services sort of architecture practice guide which is really good realistic and alongside that. Now there's a new book by Rendall. which is the Gop W develop I think it is which initially is focusing on the question of okay. You've got a F- application today. How would you look at putting flag writing ova to two GOP? C. Which is pretty much the Mark now pushing as as the future of of Slice Kinda services by Felix resources very good. I know there's some stuff Julianne Moore Slight Cedeno. Gop she'll modem if he's working on Costa. I am so expect that will be a very good starting point for people with access to lure signed I've done number As I've gone through as well so I've WANNA try to break it down into the logical chunks that I was trying to understand as Winfrey's Just building sort of hello world. GOP SEE application Asian free to starting to experiment with some streaming So people welcomes As well But I think it is. It is still quite new outlets. You're you you you're so there are some goods blowpipes on. GOP saved but does not a huge wealth of experience with a sort of the per month facing facing really the wind not yet in production with some of these things. And I guess everyone's a little a little bit so the waiting for people to tackle those problems in a share their experiences before there too keen to to dive in the depend. I think very cool so going to kind of close in another direction One of the the things we ask all the guests who come on is to speak a little bit directly to the listeners who might be getting started or are trying to look look up in their career What words of wisdom or advice would you give to those people directly just generally speaking I uh-huh Talk about key point safe for me. The thing Salau Rapidly Ren put my skills. I've lost four years sort of coming from a self taught develop a background for the last fifteen where it was just maybe building codes pretty much however felt was the right way to do it and basically if it works it was done Israeli focused on continual learning Saddam. Don't be ashamed to ask questions and often asking questions. You will find that you have people to sort of exploded right boundaries of what they know about subjects as well But by continual learning in any way that see site save me I I pretty much a sort of multi platform learn on I watch videos. Nuccio Pleura site I read a bookstore. I revoked by squad often but also like missing to put cuss like this way. You can kind of just get sort of files isis. More information fed to you on your daily commute things like that and in a slut related night I would urge people to spend a lot of time reading code That's one of the areas where I've focused focused a lot of time at the last. Few years is Digging into Repulsive trees particularly the depends looking at Colfax which is the dot net framework itself. I don't cool Funds Mary's you'll interested in how they work and then turn that code. Unsan will doing how the doing because by looking at a very mature Kobe saw very deep Kobe. Slight that you'll typically again almost by most learn various techniques for how to Sheila Code in house a house improve your coding standards. Generally a nice kind of things have helped me. I've lost ways quite dramatically to to ramp tech scams. So I know you mentioned your blog posting are there are there any other social media or Places where our listeners could it come and follow you to find out more what you're doing and hear more from you. Yes so the place. I'm reasonably active. IV tweeting about high speed Internet net. Don't is on twitter. Some Steve J Godin the on a pretty much troy to be Steve Dragutin wherever Camby TWITTY's dictated my username across the the website ALMOST DJ go. Don't get hub a number of psalm will replace their people want to kind of dive into quick salts and the things like gop. C and stuff around hopefulness carry. The I've been doing a think. I'm Steve Jay Golden on Youtube but the easiest way to get to there were Older content now is just to go through my blog. SI- steed J. Golden Duck Huddle UK this links from that to to to my youtube content psychosis anxiety and finally. Do you have any upcoming speaking engagements as it's been really busy into the As we move move to end November on please an-and things backup a game with in DC London in January January and then to Montreal. I think in February some really excited touch my first opportunity to speak a Over the Atlantic so having John just sort of you can Europe's I saw Then I think there's a bunch of things lining up full Asked him watch Shop in Poland in March and then a few of the things starting to fall into place in Kufa papers being submitted say actually at a number of other places next year as well all right excellent. Well thank Steve Really appreciate you taking the time to speak with us today. Great thanks for having me. That was Steve Gordon. Steve is plural site author Microsoft. MVP senior developer and community lead base in Britain UK. 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Episode 76: $3.2 billion, with NYC Comptroller Scott Stringer

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Episode 76: $3.2 billion, with NYC Comptroller Scott Stringer

"Three point two billion dollars new york city spending on homeless services and amount that is more than double what the city spending in fiscal year twenty fourteen this increases corresponded with a growing sense is that reached a record level in january twenty nineteen earning agencies providing support services to the homeless a spot on the new york city controller's agency watchlist what's this list what is it about coming up now on what's the data point welcome to what's the data point you're favorite new york city policy podcast brought to you by citizens budget commission in gotham missed that i'm maria do spend max will be back on the next episode on this episode we feature a discussion between cbc president andrew ryan in new york city controller scott stringer from a recent cbc event the controller discusses the impetus for creating the agency watchlist end shares his assessment of spending in savings in the new york city budget new york city competitiveness regulation reform trends of services property tax change and lots more listen in for my favorite part of the discussion of the city's flaw procurement process the controller says it's not just the bureaucratic failing it's social justice issue will be back soon with more programming feel free to reach out to us on twitter with suggestions for gas and topics the tackle over the summer i'm at maria do list and then is at cleveland max is also the time to catch up on older episodes we've had great conversations with mirror joshi look former tlc commissioner cbc patrick iraqi on innovative financing mechanisms for transportation and doctor mitchell cats of new york city health and hospitals also remember to check in on tv c why dot org in gotham gazette dot com for the latest publications and articles lots of new content on both are side that's all for now happy fourth of july and happy listening let's talk about this'll be one joined great recovery's one of the things to do in recovery mode cbc and you've talked about this a little money away every day every year so so that when the economy eventually does turn down we have the reserves to stave off counterproductive tax increase and really damaging service cuts cnbc advocated the rainy day fund we think it should be seventeen percent of tax revenue you've had something in the same kind of range into reserves so i'd love you to talk a little about your approach to the city building on preserves whether we should have a rainy day fund had a really actualize that and move it from the fiscal wonky discussion to physical reality well first of all let me just say thank you andrew for giving me this opportunity to talk to all of you have enormous respect for the cbc i think the people in this room really represent so much of the thinking that goes about running a you know a big city like new york i wanna recognize are first epic the controller elated we'll go everybody knows it the first deputy does the work and i just wanna i just wanna recognize what you give a round of applause could i guess the best way to start addressing sing that question is just to let people know the back in the seventies when i came of age in washington heights ashley had somewhat of a front row seat to the city's fiscal crisis i was eight teenager a and we will really on the edge of bankruptcy and my dad worked for nbc news is council and i remember him coming home one day saying look i'm gonna have to be paid in script because the money's not gonna be there my brother and i worried about allowance and my mother worried about child support payments and said that's no excuse right so for me this start at a very early age a fast forward to today one of the things is always informed us what we do everything we can to make sure we have a reserve fund rainy day fund because the world is unpredictable we saw that with nine eleven and we now so that with the hurricane and we have to be prepared this city budget since twenty fourteen has not prepared a sufficiently lisa that rainy day in the height of the bloomberg administration we were saving eighteen percent of spent today we are actually low eleven percent we would eleven percent last year what now down at ten point seven percent so we're actually going backwards in are surplus years i think the budget this year for the first time since twenty fourteen shows the budget roll from four point six billion dollars down to four point two billion dollars that's the first time the role has actually decreased that is a warning sign to me the council and the mayor are very proud of themselves they say well we put three hundred million dollars away from the rainy day ride and in the health funding like oh that's that's a zero sum game so we have to do better with savings this budget does not take care of that the role is a real morning science will now down the money that we should have put even more money away so how do we actually do that should we enact a rainy day fund it will be the charter vision commission has put that on the balance something that we've advocated for an are pretty happy that the turner vision commission seemed to put it on the ballot in november is that's something that you would support a rainy day fund is is sound i would like to see a little more depending on how it's constructed i do have some concerns about just having a some room because of unforeseen circumstances i think executive executive still has to manage for unforeseen circumstances but the concept is right we have to save more money we shouldn't be eighteen percent of spin it's the only way to safeguard what will come but again people have the understand this budget the role has now decrease for the first time since twenty fourteen the port is up fifteen percent rights of discretionary spending goes up savings goes down and these were the good years when we shouldn't be doing all the tough work i have called out a city hall and i don't mean to criticize the mary had a good debate last night i look forward to coming home you know i'm gonna pick him up late in the airport but i'm sure absolutely but but i i i think that we have to make sure that the next government has the resources to make a deal with the challenges we say thank you and one of the ways we do that is an cbc's talked about that you've talked about but it is finding those areas of savings and finding them by increasing productivity so we don't cut services you have an agency watchlist that identifies underperforming agencies you pointed out that with the decline in inmate population at rikers we've action increased are per inmate spend from hundred seventeen thousand three hundred thousand dollars a year over over ten years where do we find that productivity in the budget so the weaken save that money so budgets it's our or also armitage envision a priority says the city and spending money to solve the homeless crisis a to make sure that we have opportunities for education for children user all worthy initiatives but i think we've lost our way a little bit spending has to relate to success and metrics to see if actually solving a problem so what the reason i have the agency watchlist is not to play gotcha when agencies but it's really about making sure that the money were spending is actually going to solving a problem let's take homelessness for example department homeless services twenty fourteen were spending one point five billion dollars to manage it crisis the homeless crisis sixty thousand people living in shelters half of the children and we spent one point five billion today were spending three point two billion we still have a homeless crisis it's getting bigger and we now know based on research that not only do we have a crisis of sixty thousand people in are shelter system where we're paying three point two billion but we also have five hundred thousand new yorkers who are one step away from homelessness based on announces we did where we solving the problem so we have to call out agencies when they're spending without showing us measurable improvement that's why the department of corrections actions boggles my mind we have less inmates but more violence we have more overtime lesson made there has to be a correlation between spend and success we looked at department of buildings spending is up sixty percent staffing is up fifty percent when we look at construction accident we now see an increase of two hundred and fifty percent government has to actually solve problems and get results and that has gotta be are focused just because the money they were spending it spent correctly is a good thing but money that is thrown on the wall to see what sticks gets you into a fiscal crisis like we had in the seven thank you one of the challenges i'm maybe i could and say someone pearl this challenge it cnbc occasionally or other places in my career in public health is so much easier to identify problems operationalize solutions so how do we go the next step in those problem what would we reducing the budget and where would you think we should be investing more so we are increasing the budget really addressing problems ineffective way a couple of things we should continue to have eight ernest type program were constantly should look for fishing season season every city agency we propose that in the controller's office almost from the beginning we've not really seeing the pig program doesn't mean we're gonna fire people but it means that we look to save hundreds of millions of dollars every year that's a way to save money but also to prioritize one of the reasons why i've looked at contracts for example the ferry kind of a you know contracts i love ferries they're wonderful but i don't understand how we went from spending fifty million five hundred million and then when we made the deal with operator we gave them the concession the revenue and now we're spending eighty two million dollars buying the boats i mean this is a business you should get into right this is unbelievable so part of part of the challenges to bring up management's system in place that meets the needs of struggling new yorkers making sure the win delivering essential services but at the same time managing to success and that is something that i think we have to explore i appreciate that and we've done some work on the ferries as well and i think it's a policy issue that's very important to new yorkers although people do love the ferry my daughter took one year after very very some great but we also want to make sure that we can expand these services and the way you expand the ms by winning the efficiency efficiently and getting the best deal that is true in almost every agency of government right now that with limited resources in the future and i think we all agree that at some point this economy will spotter it always does it always as we've had a tremendous recovering but now we have to think strategically about where we go from here many of you know this but i appreciate this more you know there's not a lot of spending is that a lot that americans spend right budget is ninety two point two billion dollars is kind of twenty billion dollars a in the last few years but at the end of the day city councils and mayors really can't spend a lot 'cause it's all six police of state money federal money so we have a precious few billion dollars so if you put five million dollars the ferries and you're not being efficient or you're spending eight fifty on thrive and you can't measure that you start to add up all these large expenditures and then you say wait a minute were done can't spend any more money but yet we still have people in homeless shelters we don't have the kind of housing and program that's good alleviate homelessness and that's what worries me is controllers the city's chief fiscal officer we're not getting to a point where if the economy changes and wearing international economy we will have trouble in the next ten years and no one wants to focus on it because today the city seems flushing everything's okay so i sound like you guys right now i'm like damn index this morning the sky's falling this guy's following an but we do have to take that into consideration we do and i heard the mayor say that you know as they put money in the budget and reserves they did their pay program and and we share some of the same issues and in analyzing that that we shouldn't really be doing anymore pags maybe till next fabri would you be recommending that the city do a pack program from the november plan i don't i don't think this is a real pet program i think they looked at some efficiencies and they put some money away i think we could be less up let's talk about new york city's competitiveness this helicopter enough which is very very important now we have grown are are jobs have we've grown jobs during this recovery morton the nation lifted off the state's average on job creation rate certainly a but there is some arguing that there isn't any growth sentiment that'll hurt new york's competitiveness reaching amazon pulled out in the discussion around that delays in rezoning discussions of commercial rent control of course this is on top of the federal salt cap the cap on state and local tax productions and extension in the state on the millionaire's tax and i'll stop there on that list thanks are you concerned that current policy at and politically environment might affect new york's competitiveness look there's there's there's been this on written covenant a that government has had but the people in the city going back many decades and that was to be the city we wanna be we have to prime low end we have to be competitive and we have to continue to grow and the success of new york has been just that through multiple administrations we've been able to keep growing low and grow the economy that's a success story and we should be proud of that i think what you're seeing in terms of where the city is going with the people you're going is they want gross but they also want equity and they want fairness and they wanna know that that we're also creating wealth in all of our communities a there's a real issue of young people who can't afford to stay in new york and come to new york immigrants who come here who who could give us that that you know who we are also having trouble making it here and i think there has to be a recognition that growth must continue but we have to expand the priorities and the amazon deal is a perfect example of a missed opportunity when here have this company come here and we wake up in the morning and we need the new york times and the deal was done right the mayor and the governor the deal in secret and that was the beginning of the end because people are going to question tax some dayton's people wanna know were getting value people in communities wanna know they're being heard and the formula for growth has gotta be an expanded opportunity for people in neighborhoods to become invested when i was when it happened by the president's we expand in columbia university we'd spent at fordham university and we expanded n y you he's won three contentious expansions not to mention corn up tech in and i did it in the open we didn't go in the meetings things were a thousand people and we got it done because people understood the relationship between growth and protecting our community we've gotta go back to that and look part of the problem is when you have eight city council that is term limited and i don't blame them it is hard to try to get to compromise so the hearings were kind of carnival like maybe when we think about the new government new mayor new controller new a new five newburgh present maybe it's time to sort of expand on the opportunity for city council candidate to be speaker and clean eating her speakership so that you have the opportunity for new mayor having ears perhaps we should also expand the pool of potential speaker so then we can sort of slow down and take a breath and think long term about the health of the city and the kind of rezoning set will actually benefit people and communities and i just think we need to know ambition is natural instinct we all have it i certainly do but we do need to be temporary and how they certain grounding if we're gonna meet the challenges of the city are there certain policies that we should be enacting to improve prove are competitive nassar modernizing i'm thinking of course on the amazon deal on ribbon i academies as of right on tax tax abatements should be modernizing those are there other policies you would recommend to keep us competitive look i think it's appropriate to always look at these tax abatement programs repin i kept to me seems a little outdated a lot of these you know a lot of z abatements were four to create things wouldn't ordinarily happen i think it's safe to assuming this charged environment development environment a we have to prioritize what we wanna abate so i think we should review but not to be in business just because it's appropriate to see where you know when that would happen so i would i'm not a you know i'm always trying to create programs that meets the needs now one of the things that we have to be competitive in think about is you know how we're gonna wire the city you know where we in terms of five g you know as do it in the city all come on folks you've got other cities expanding a into new internet capacity which would create new jobs the new possibilities but are five g program as now lagging behind this is the way we jumpstart in the economy and then create jobs the other thing i wanna mention which i think very fundamental to the future the city when you see new jobs in the high tech economy coming here we also have to make sure that we give every new yorker opportunity to participate in that economy we need to really revamp our workforce development we're still teaching people how to work in this city based on the eighties and nineties a when we had word processor says it's time to create a robust a new way of job training because we bring these jobs in the city this is a great opportunity for young people and people in different professions to take advantage of what's coming here and that creates a quality everywhere that creates wealth in all of us have goes so you've talked about balancing growth with other neighborhoods concerns let's talk a little about rent regulation something you supported for decades and and support it as as i read you're saving these recent 'em protections that were strengthened in albany in this session of course will certainly help certain renters in and stop certain abuses of the system that certainly should have never happened on the other hand there are concerns with how so the law 'em find answers individual apartment in prevents major capital improvements one of the things that cbc worked on early on is noting that rent stabilized apartments were actually worse condition the market rate apartments should we concerned about our housing stock as a result of all we shouldn't be concerned about are housing stock we've lost four hundred thousand apartments it used to run for a thousand dollars or less in the last fifteen years we see neighborhoods neighborhoods where people have built those communities that no one wanted a living a where i grew up in washington heights there were no investors coming to the community back when i was growing up we didn't see yellow taxis coming in we saw those fast cars moving so fast or what is then a we didn't we we didn't have the benefit of a investment and now the people the pioneers who built up these communities and there is a point where they now have a certain amount of success you know some some equity in these communities because they stayed and fought to bring back to life and now people wanna come in and develop those neighborhoods and i understand skylines change but but god's sakes we can't push the people out who built are city and put them in homeless shelters it's just not sustainable we need a different kind of housing plan for example the way laguardia bill public housing lindsey in rockefeller where the mainstays of the majority housing program ed koch understood that we needed a robust housing plan and invested in our communities and changed the bronx and other neighborhoods and so we have to have a bigger conversation about this and yes rent regulation was was strengthen in this last session but as someone who lives in selling back in the days when the republicans control the state senate you could not get a piece of protest legislation introduced in the state senate be lee even on things that benefited everybody because they had their agenda and attendance had there's nothing got i think this is a correction and will see where we go from here but we had to stop the bleeding of people who build up one able is being pushed out and then we ended up paying said this on the back end because that's why were spending three point two three point two billion dollars there's a and have in are homeless system so do you think though that the quality of the housing stock of rent regulated tenants might decline give given that they invent the incentive for investment improving those apartments in those buildings has been virtually taken away so let's see how this works right now people have a sense of security they're not gonna be pushed out of their community people have a sense of security that their mother or father who's in their eighties is not gonna land on the streets in the meantime i think we have to change are housing program to better online that to the people who are one step away from homelessness i've issues you know i could force the housing plan but i believe will addressed the issue of the pores people in the city not finding an apartment in ending up in a homeless shelter i guess what i'm saying is this is complicated and maybe the strategy here has to be let's take a timeout let's recognize where we're at and then let's start changing the dynamic to work on some of these issues but i believe that what happened in albany what's critical to maintaining affordability in the city and nobody on the other side of this incident and said you know i have a housing plan of our own that's gonna help the poorest people in the city nobody ever stepped forward and says you know i have a plan right everyone wants to protect what they had and i think we have to start looking in the city as a whole it's gonna be a city for everybody and i think dream that pause booze that's all you're office and and and cbc to look at the impact on on rent on the market raider apartments to see if there's an impact and the impact potentially on supply because as their housing plan is others have noted we're we need more supply for gonna solve these problems and we and people are concerned legitimately whether this constraints are supply over the long run let's say i my my sense is we should now doubled down and look at apart from fair market housing i think we should move the mayor's housing plan to shifted to the people who we need the help the most who were in that five hundred eighty thousand person category category a one step away from homelessness you know many people here think about the economy very strategically but one international financial incident brexit the gets out of control something happening in greece trump waking up one day and says you know having tax my fellow new yorkers enough and then we're really in a serious crisis we could have a blown out homeless problem that's why i keep saying save save save 'cause i don't trust international markets and what's happening in washington so everybody should be concerned about the viability of the economy and let's discuss one more question before we go dark trustees contracting doesn't work very well no that's true human service contracting you know it is delayed and people are virtually expected with a non wink to work without a contract you noted that over eighty percent of our contracts registered after they start on the capitol contracting the you know fewer people bed because the cost of doing business with the city is high and those who do better and there is a cost of doing business and you're pointing this out we're spending some amount of money more just because of are contracting process being dysfunctional how do you think we could speed it up how do you think are the steps in the process we could actually remove that what's been so this is truly an outrage we we as a city if you think about it we we really don't provide all direct services right we contract with many many not for profit profits to multiple agencies whether it's housing childcare adult services seniors and we have a network of nonprofits that we fund but we don't really spend what we do is we leave them on the hook because we don't get their contracts finished their ended up taking out bridge loans these organizations in jeopardy you have executive directors who spend more time trying to find their contract within the barrels of city government that they're actually doing the work that they won they love to do to that's what we're paying for it we need eight will form of the procurement contracting system this is hard to do because nobody thinks of procurement is if you walk down the street after this and said stringer says you know no justice no procurement rights by people would be what is he talking about rights but the truth is this is a social justice issue because if we jeopardize the not for profit offense who's gonna get hurt the ports people city i wanna see timelines for agencies controller's office has a thirty day time topped the simon contractor were turned a contract the agencies have that as well we need to reform the mayor's office of contracts and do the greedy work that's going to really elevate this issue and that is something that has to be a priority because we're really on the brink of harming a lot of these smaller larger not for profit that actually run the city how is that game i mean people who worked on this for a long time on one of her trust these little towns and who has a long history in the city said to me when i took the job if you if you can work on permanent fix it that's like the lord's work and yes people are rallying outside of a city hall saying what do we want remember foreign when do we want it now although although i have i have done that you have done it i know it's only but so many people were affected how come we changed the dynamic you know we are so so this is a good news hour off of that just some credit claiming which i haven't done enough of this morning a we we are changing this we have organized network of human services is a providers and even beyond that to demand that the charter vision commission looked at timelines legislatively the council should be passing those timelines and i do believe we're gonna have pro drumming justice an an and and that is critical so i think we are seeing a change the fact that we're now raising this issue of this morning is is clearly this is on the radar i think the press has to spend more time doing investigative work at will help but what this to actually look at why these contracts are a mess and what is actually happening within the agencies and then we will see a real reform well why don't we open up there i my list could go on and on since what you do is so interesting cbc but why do we open up to some of our guest today if they have any questions in front of tax policy changes on the changes that the city consider consider that would increase not competitiveness you know a lot of are tax structure has to do with albany and so it's hard to a you know we have very limited in what we can do but look i think competitive you know what his competitiveness today ride a if you're i if you're eight if you're somebody who is from another part of the united states and you are having big dreams is young person you wanna come to new york city and that has been are poll people want to be here why because the jobs created here a work you know i'll work since you're during the recovery but also people do wanna come to are diversity and action lift here they like are open space they like low crime they want that competitive edge they want a fair city so what we have going for us is us the people who make up in new york city and the job of government is to is to make sure that when people come here whether it's new immigrants fleeing persecution refugees who come here or business leaders who come here are job is to make sure that we give everybody a shot to to own a business run a business work in the business end for the kids who grew up here like make a whose parents didn't leave you wanna make sure that every kid in every school has an opportunity to get that first week education that will leave to a job arts education science education we need to rethink how how are education system is gonna continue to make us competitive look we lose forty percent of what teachers the public school system within five years why is that happening and why don't we doing anything about it why are we creating a un opportunity for increased learning among teachers you know the more we trained teachers right the more likely they stay in the system that's true in boston in denver but we should be doing that that's how we become competitive we can't educate only in certain zip codes so that's step one step two is job training you wanna be competitive and we gotta train people to the jobs so the here or companies won't come here and they're not gonna stay here so that's another way we become competitive and the other thing we need to do is signal to the rest of the world that new york city is open for business and this government is laser focused eighteen hours a day seven days a week on economic development looked eighty four percent of the jobs being created today are being traded in brooklyn queens and the bronx eighty four percent and people in brooklyn working in brooklyn people in the bronx worked in the bronx we're truly now five boroughs economy for the first time in the history of the city we should start acting this way we have to realign are bus and subway system rush hour in the eighties was seventy am to nine pm seven pm seven five pm to seven pm that's when people got home and make dinner throw that out the window rush hour starts at six saying people getting home at eleven am but a bus subway system doesn't take into account the new economy you wanna be competitive then you gotta build a transit system for this century and this job creation europe and that is how we stay competitive once we do that and we focus on running government actually rest speechifying woolworth government we will solve these problems i'm sure glad you're getting six hours a night to sleep on the front of it in arizona and i know that hardworking staff and they're wonderful and they've always been wonderful work with john johnson out yet goes exert a i'd wanna touch a little bit more on the tax issue with something that we can't control what you're hopes her property tax reform end a proposal to like this evening advisory committee wide like senior adviser and committee american main issue a report you have hearings put it out there and let's discuss real property tax reform and how we you know and how we do in a way that there's gonna be more fair and more equal you know we have to deal with the different classes within the system the traditional way of thinking about you know property tax form is if you have one class you heard another class and i'm hoping that we can have a series of recommendations that we can talk about to get this aligned people should know that a i in the former chair of these real property taxation committee in albany a i thought i got the committee because i was being punished and then in in but in reality you know i i was able to travel state and work with people on this issue it's complicated it's tough but the stakes are very high now people are really having problems paying their property taxes a that that is not that that should not be a process i hold on one second a we'll have that will only mike so we could all here in back i've been involved with cbc for about a decade now and every year we talk about pension funding and the relationship with that the scary relationship of that to the to the budget so my question is how can we make the pensions more formidable and sustainable in the long run well we came in six years ago a to a pension system or the back office of the pension system hanging by a thread we had not really focused as a office on how we can streamline the pension system to make better investing many of you know some of are success we put in place the first the first risk management operation in a generation and we modernize the system made the salaries more competitive we for the first time created one investment meeting so within the five funds we weren't doing the same things over and over again meaning the people who work at the bureau of asset management never visited investments investments never took time to think about asset allocation never thought about how we could increase women in minardi on businesses to be part of the pension fund all of this happened within the last six years we are over seventy percent fully funded which is better than most pension system and part of what i'm trying to do is get us an edge by streamlining what we do to take advantage of any opportunity to increase the fund that has been a priority and this is the first time perhaps since since jay golden when we actually looked at the system and we engineered to meet the reality is what we're dealing with when i first became a controller and i realize and in order to get investment that you had to go to five separate boards over over again the person who was my longest serving a staff member who i made a trustee she came to me after the first few months and said how did i draw the short straw and all this i'm constantly doing antiquated report how come a lien against the first deputy roller and i get this so we set about reforming it and we've made it better we have five boards that operate together we do not have the duplicative a a investments that have really mar pension fund and we will continue to make those improved i wanna leave the controller's office really codified a lot of the reforms that we may again this is never gonna be on the you know the front pages this is not gonna be a big campaign issue never is but fixing the back office in the controller's office will be a one of the great pride and joy abar lived in the controller's office because we know how we've shape that office are consultant highlighted fourteen real issues related to the pension fund that could cause harm to the venture fund fourteen items that had to be fixed not next year not five years from now we dealt with every one of them every one of them we have six based on management's reports that we commission and i'm very proud of it and this is what cbc has always been about which is making sure that we protect that pension fund teachers firefighters and police officers there's nothing more important than that to can you have a little perogative per followed are the next steps on consolidation more we could do to coordinate or even consolidate the firefighters look right now it's a great and i and i wanna really praised the trustees of the pension fund in all the boards a they recognize officiency an legislatively if i would've tried to memorialize codified this legislatively going to albany it would die there so i had a figure out without going the albany how we could create what investment meeting and we did the research and found i found very clearly that if the pension board all the trustees agreed to do this we could we up at every six months three year they agreed we were able to get every single trustee labor trustee elected officials to go with us on this it took a lot of work but we got it done and i do think the sunday will go the albany and codified but i also think during my term as controller we also have to see if it works and so far it's been tremendous and perhaps this is something the next controller kundu coming in with a fresh and then agenda and franchise and i'd be happy to leave with whoever that will be okay with scott mike young mike young on behalf of our neighborhood association which is on see a the east side in our neighborhood would you know a street east ninety fifth street the conversation has changed for the first time since up in the city and i've been here for thirty eight thirty nine years and by the way i met you back in ninety two on the west side for the for the for the first time are neighbors are talking about leaving the city end for house is when art when are street between lexington and part of growing up for sale and others gonna rent the people down the street unplug the computers relocated there hedge fund type business in miami there's a lot of conversation about rican you spend three months here in two months there and and therefore less than six months in new york and it's striking because this is a neighborhood which who's commitment to new york city has upton albert unquestioned and my question is is there a sensitivity on the part of the city government at the thinking has changed in the third is a real conversation happening about people leaving i can't speak for the city government 'cause i'm not you know just controller but i couldn't tell you you know my thinking is we want people a new yorkers to stay new yorkers and part of when we talk about housing planets talk about economic development strategies that's about making sure the people who built upon able to invest in the city can stay here a i think the the trump a tax it on on the city has been problematic although i will tell you we're now preston nebraska budget director is quenching right were still crunching the numbers to see some of that and will have water report the cbc about is that forcing people out we're gonna look at the tax returns now they've been you know now they were in april and i'll come back to you and talked about it i don't have any real evidence of that kind of flight out i'm not saying it's not happening but we don't have it yet look part of what i wanna be able to do is make sure that we have an economic development strategy and we wanna keep businesses here we wanna keep people here a you gotta be a fool not the always worry about you know people having to leave i do think we are quickly becoming a the unaffordable setting the rent is too high be childcare expenses of twentyone thousand dollars year has put people out of the workforce mostly women i wanna invest in childcare in the city in a more robust way way that will put twenty thousand people back into the workforce mostly women they'll generate five and forty million dollars pay millions of dollars in taxes and we have to be creative in our approach to what are city dynamic looks like we do wanna keep people with wealth and earn well here we also wanna make sure they were continuing to build to the middle class when nature went down the way it did it violated another covenant in the nineteen thirties which was you gotta affordable housing apartment you come to this country or you're here and laguardia strategy was get department and then get to the middle class we have gotta continue that tradition are vantage today is we speak some two hundred languages we have the most diversity in the world everyone wants to come and visit up and they're not just coming here if i could just beer for a second because they wanna see the statue of liberty right there really coming here to see us right do ever noticed tourists but they stare at you when you're walking down the street right 'cause we speaking of goodwill a little different right we speak different languages different cultures you go into a public school my kids public school today it's amazing you got the you win in the school this has to be bottled market this is the future and we have strategies to do that the best way the people in the city is to give them the quality of life but they can't find anywhere my my parents who some of you know my mom's former councilmember my stepfather caused davis the former city clerk w bronx borough president when you know they spend half that time importer rico and i said to my mother you know the hurricane hit you guys got a goat of florida right just go to florida get out of puerto rico them thinking as a as a son my mother said to me get out of puerto rico and go to florida scott i don't go with the old people go i stay in new york and stay importer rico you know why because this is what keeps people living longer new york city and i don't think people will sacrifice that right away and so on the other side that a fall if there is one more question a lot of time let's say you raise a lot of those priorities parties priorities for programs how do you get priorities for programs where the programs all come up through silos and come into the politicals center and the revenues that support the city have no relation nation to how that was revenues i spent in establishing priorities that's that's politically push the second has to do with the the bureaucracy heisman talked about the cost side let alone the covering of their ass side on how they deal with these contracts but on the costs i i testified for the city on the police contract you get along i did along report and i was struck i haven't done it is at the costa costa out of control in terms of very important service but union costs and i believe it's true across the board make no sense in terms of the long term so how do you deal with both the cost and the priority issue as we solve some problems loans you raised i think you raise a very legitimate issue of silos among the agencies because that is where we run a cross and that's when we don't have accountability so going back to when i talked about a lot this morning just i guess the the end of that discussion you homelessness homeless services is in one style right we spend billions to service the ports people but housing thing is in another silo and we don't break it down have that discussion of taking me thirty percent of the people who work go to sleep in a homeless shelter we never a line that housing discussion with services and that is where and clause balloon and there's no accountability so the one hand you say to somebody how come we haven't were spending all this money and we have reduced the homeless population the agency is don't talk to each other and look in terms of collective bargaining agreements a you don't wanna you know i'm not in the you know i'm not in the room is controller a but i have followed the contract negotiations and look there's a natural get what we can from the city to protect are a you're to protect are physical health but also make sure there are city workers paid adequately unfairly a and a lot of these services let me go shade relies on the line every day they do the work that none of us or at least i would never think firefighters police officers i'll tell you another big day for partly because i had seven year old and a six year old at my school teachers we can't do it can't do watch thank

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Buddha's Thinking Management Plan | Ajahn Nissarano

Buddhist Society of Western Australia

1:09:08 hr | 10 months ago

Buddha's Thinking Management Plan | Ajahn Nissarano

"The following presentation was recorded at the Buddhist Society Victoria Modernist Australia. Please visit our website at BSP Dot Net, Dot a U. Yesterday I actually gave a we had a meditation die very Nice Day actually encourage people who've got the time to spend one day a month magnetising. Meditating listening to. Dhamma Discussing Down Ma, and it's very, very useful thing for us. It's bitter of an oasis. But as I reflected then. there. were. Very much more likely that little more people at the other temple not so far away Cheddington shopping center. Then this temple. Plus, they have, the car-parking. So. This morning I'd like to give a talk about something that affects all of us I think and it's about thinking I spoke about it yesterday this is the link and I thought well, how what would be a good approach to thinking I've talked about it in the past and I thought. Maybe. The title of this talk could be the Buddha's thought management plan or thinking Management Plan. So how do we relate to thinking in meditation but mainly in this talk about daily life yesterday about meditation so but I will bring up meditation as well. So this is about the Buddha's thinking plan or thought plan sounds like thought many thought management sounds like folk control doesn't was. thinking. Management. Perhaps. So. Last week, I spoke about version of people, Thatta version or height was talking about the some of the unwholesome roots in our minds. The good news is we also have these wholesome roots of non degreed non hatred and non delusion. And the negative of course, greed hatred and delusion, and one of the things that feeds both who's the aversion and the hatred that we sometimes experiences, of course, thinking thinking speaking. Speech comes from the thinking as does action, and this can fade the negative aspects of mind greed hatred and delusion but fortunately, it can also her fade the positive aspects of line. So thinking can support developing degree the center generosity and giving can support the. Non. Version or non anger things like loving kindness may to recall it might trie conti many positive emotions and also non delusion wisdom understanding ourselves and the world as I truly are. And I thought that this management plan because these days is mentioned Management Plan for everything I think this fire management plans. That's what I was very aware recently because a statement u-b-e-r about two weeks ago and one day we had a severe fire warning and on that day have to be prepared to evacuate at a moment's notice anytime. So you have to be prepared and you have a a shopping bag of these cloth shopping bags with your goggles. And your your mask for the smoke. This is this'll be good for people overseas. I know about fire Australia and also gloves protect you against. Imbecile and things like that, and in this shopping bag, you have to put the things you want to take if you to. Evacuate at short notice few moments. So you prepare that in the morning and I Call List Bag at Tundra Bang at wanting bag because what we put in is going to be very important to us because we think. So, be interesting to garner rents seeing what people put in their bags. And for myself to actually and I heard actually quite humorously that one may I told it last week they had an evacuation in Wrentham a town or village really need this monastery newbury ministry in the country outside Melvin and I think it was a real evacuation a few years ago an old lady turned up and she had a chain with her. And I said, why did you bring the chair and she said I didn't know what bring? So for her wasn't really wasn't a sense of what? The House could burn down everything could be gone. But. Maybe it was quite practical too because she was probably thought sit around for a long time. So. I might as well be comfortable something like that. So today we're looking at the discussing the the Buddhists. Thinking or thought Management Plan. Because thinking particularly. In the West is often celebration. And We have many great philosophers and they usually called the great thinkers. Great Thinkers And always think of. The I think most people they may not know a lot of these philosophers I died. But. We know there's one one person I think one quotation every body to any idea what that is. Yes exactly. Anybody know who that was. Descartes that's where I ran hyung-taik her. I think therefore, I am good to. Think I. Think therefore I. Am it's very interesting because it sort of suggests well, if you don't think. Does that mean I'm not? But I think it's been deep in the net actually but it does show the link between thinking and thought my I'm thinking it's my thought and how we earn thought and we look at that later in the tour hopefully, we get time because often we assume that this thinking is mine. Oh, I'm doing it and. Rather than and Buddhism. You say it is happening. To conditioning process. But also, a lot of this I always think to these great thinkers. I. Don't know a lot about them greedy heard of little about some of their lives and I died sound like a even though they had these thoughts it didn't lead to greater happiness which I think is really the proof of the pudding you know this is where the Buddha's teaching. So practical it's it is some for some people yes it's a philosophy. An actual fact I say because people say isn't religion isn't a philosophy is a way of live and I say it's a way of life because importer is really encouraging us to practice it but at the same time. It's really a religion because you saving Sri Lanka's in Burma Thailand or these places and even here. And also it is philosophy. Some people are just it's enough for them to read the Buddhist teaching and such. So intellectually `fine that there is a there is a some happiness that one gains from seeing how it all hangs together this together. But what a shame to only read the menu as it were and not eat some of the food. That has offer that's the shame of it. You know, and that's what I always feel with somebody who really understands the teachings. Has got an intellectual grasp of the teachings, but doesn't necessarily practice them then not getting the benefit of those teachings and of course, one of the things that we see with thinking in terms of you know. Buddhism particularly is. It doesn't go deepen our. People think and say one thing and be feeling something quite different actually. So thinking is only skimming the surface of our minds really skimming surface of their minds and this is way the Buddhist teaching you know is really tapping into teaching us how to develop inside to develop this intuitive knowing he called it direct knowledge because what is path is one of direct knowledge is thinking about now thinking about enlightenment is actually experiencing these things, Aso's and understanding from direct experience. So I'd like to say that it was quite a difference between thinking and inside and the. Inside as I say, is this deep direct knowing from our experience with seen something very clearly whether it be you know that things are in permanently saying Buddhism. Ten Pre the changing won't time whether we see that there aren't satisfactory this Daca always the we see that there isn't really a permanent me here inside me. So. Won Outright like to try this exercise because. It involves the audience this exercise very good I think good way to to to think about thinking. Simplicity so I'd like you to close your eyes for a moment. And say to yourself. I won't think now. I won't think now. And now if you'd like to open your eyes and give some feedback. Did did anybody successfully Did. Not Think. When you say no and I say I would think now we able to do that. Not Really I think even if it's only the thought I shouldn't be thinking now I should. Know. That sort of thing. So we actually see this is actually an important. Insight, we can get that does is thinking really belong to us. We really control it. This is one of the insights Buddhist teaching it is it is something that arises from conditioning. The things we've been thinking about the things that we've been watching. And hearing. All these things come up in Athen King and so this is where we can see that we'd own the thinking, but we can influence the thinking fortunately. There's a good news. So. Sometimes people especially if they come for a minute meditation day. You know come for meditation people often say. This thinking such A. Just. Sit Dan actually this is usual thing that happens with. meditators they. I meditate or mate. Save my alive or just thinking the whole time. and. I say to people. That's an inside. You're seeing what's going on all the time. But because in dining law, we don't notice not being still we're not sitting in meditation. We don't notice this that this is actually an aspect to the mind is quite natural and. An becomes very obvious to that. It is not within our control. Especially when you sit down to meditate and you said look I, think I don't want to think. That we say that I don't want to think I won't think we creating a negative in the mind attention in the mind which makes meditation difficult whereas. So, this is something that people beginners in meditation learn the first meditation is that thinking? Happens is happening most of the time actually and that we don't control it natal hopefully, they will learn sometimes people because of that experience they think well. I can't meditate. Because I think but actually they're they're beginning to see what's going on and when we actually know what's going on in live when we clear about then we can do something about it and of course, we can influence thinking we can reduce thinking in meditation and of course, that's why not fighting it by not saying I won't think I don't think. is by allowing dating at be. Letting it slow down. So if we have been thinking all day all night, usually not all not but dreaming sometimes then the momentum of thought is there when we come to sit. Meditation or Walk Minna Tation. So this is what we will experience. So For meditators thinking is Number One, publicly enemy number one I think which is not a good attitude. Thinking is useful to it has its users. If we didn't, we weren't able to think we wouldn't be able to have. Thought. Plans fire management plans all this sort of thing, and they are useful because especially for this fine management plan I mean, should we prepaid? We have a have a sort of a way of getting ready just in case we have to evacuate if we have to take action when a fire happens at the monastery in newberry. So this is very useful and we had the cows ready to go and. And of course, you know that that day too. Is In new South Wales are making everybody aware in Australia probably throughout the world. That it's big threat and we can We have to be have some degree of planning or preparedness. So it's very useful for planning problem solving to a certain extent. Compared to that remembering sometimes, we thinking united with problem solving I have had it. I'm sure many people have e can go. And around any get solution from thinking about actually. I think wow. Yes on this on. Yes that's true. That's good. All on the other hand, and in the end, there isn't a solution you can arrive at using thinking. That's where intuition it actually very useful if you can just get painful get still for a short time and then. Have that in mind whatever it was that you were. Was the problem where you're trying to sell and then just let intuition let this. This. Inside as it were come from deeper levels of the mind I find myself that when this happens that some of the solutions are never would've thought of you just come from left field we say out of the box. This is way. Intuition is such a useful thing actually, and always has that sense of rotten's. Sometimes people might say, well, can it be wrong? I'm sure it can be sometimes it's a great relief when you when you court in problem solving, you cannot resolve. But thinking is also a preoccupation that we use. I was locking like any it through when we go to adopt a surgery or Dana surgery anywhere these days as whiting room waiting. and they're all these magazines we flip through the magazines thinkings a bit like that. We use it with flicking through memories thinking about what we going into the future hardly ever being prison. We aware of where we are. So this is how often we we use thinking and most of the thinking that is really important for us is about who? Who? Do you think. Of The thinking is about. Yup Absolutely. and. That doesn't sound too bad in some ways but if it was all positive, that's great. But it it's it's generally in a mix some people it can be very negative and talk about that in a minute actually. Some of the some people it can we? Can't be positive. So hopefully, the Buddhist teachings actually teaching how to use thinking in a positive way constructive way to see through the destructive thinking process. Because most of live is like we can see it and when we're not practicing mindfulness for instance, and you can see we go for a walk and we on trees looking good. Isn't that all those flowers an older Nice Keller and we commenting in mind we're doing this commentary of our experiences about whether we like dislike or whatever. So this is you usual approach to live. There's a lot of commentary going on talking to ourselves and as I say the talking to ourselves is posited problem. In joyal but it is often it isn't an get out of control and I think everybody probably here and. We'll have experienced onscreen thoughts become obsessive and I keep cycling. We call caught in a loop that's often away putting caught in a loop going over and over again, and it's very hard for us to. To move the focus to change the thought that we're experiencing like a song stuck in mind. Songs I get stuck in your mind and I just play and play. So these thinking can create all sorts of stories in our minds and this as I say can be positive or negative thing but often. It's associated with negative states aligned and it's very easy to see then, and this is where we need to really address those that those instances you can create anxiety. The essence of anxiety is fear isn't it about the future have things could turn out? Will we manage we cope and give rise to panic in these panic attacks people say. They wake up in the morning tools three in the morning and just have this terrible panic attack. You know terrible fear anxiety taking them over, and of course when this happened one of the for Buddhist, anywhere for a practitioner, you can say my goodness Patton is really running strong. That'd be nice if you could see it like that actually that this conditioning is running strong, this recording almost is playing and causing me to panic about the future and of course. Thinking also goes into the Pasta, and that can sometimes be nice because we can remember you lack remember people that. have been important allies we feel thankful for. This morning. Savitri was. Remembering her mother who passed away forty years ago and being thankful for four all the positives that she gave in her life. So thinking can be like that can be positive. But of course, you know often it goes towards. Depression. We start to get negative thinking and particularly if it's bad, ass. So you know how are not good enough how we're not worthy. This that and the other. Then it can turn into this depression that really becomes overwhelming. And of course, with his thinking I go on to talk about it more later. Of course, both sides you know. then. Not Reality Thinking is not reality and it's always good to keep that. Keep that in mind it's an approximation reality sometimes can be quite accurate but usually. Very, wide of the mark. It's not it's not actually a very accurate picture of what's going on. And thinking as I mentioned before it can can empower our positive qualities of. General? CINCY. giving, loving kindness and also wisdom but it also can in encouraging power design ill-will this negativity in the Mon- delusion harming. And particularly, its gets caught up with the sense of I am. A lot of thinking is about that, and this is why when the for for would've would've said, one of the greatest happinesses in live in the spiritual life is Wayne One sees through the illusion of a permanent me inside of the of ourselves. And this is one of the greatest happiness that happens in the third stage of and. This very deep level it's uprooted. So in a long nine longer is one thinking about oneself as. self this permanent self separated from all other beings and all other things and so now we have a `nother practical exercise, which may or our home give some idea to that are the particularly the idea of thinking in its relationship to solve so I'd like you to close your eyes. And just imagine. A remember? Occasion when you'd had an unanswered email and you wanted an answer expecting announcer or an unanswered SMS text message. Or an unanswered telephone court you left a message. And just think how how did you feel? When than email was answered? The SMS wasn't answered takes message wasn't answered won't coal wasn't answered. If, you'd like to open your eyes. And I have had this experience myself. You know and it's very interesting because. Then, you look at it and you think I don't know whether your reaction when you haven't had when you've experienced an unanswered email SMS or text message or call where the thought. Is that person angry with me? I have thought Oh I. Wonder What's wrong. Actually. Positive. Think it usually is I think I wonder if that will. Not well this. And the other thing we can think in this on this occasion is they upset with me I, Don something to upset. Or did something I write a wrote story upset them. They didn't like it. Which is why they haven't replied. And I. Think this is a very, very good way to see how thinking creates the story and this whole scenario out of nothing really they. They may not have received the email, the textphone, the phone may be dated. So they never got the text message the. Message they may have gone away on holiday. There are many explanations for for them not replying. But one of the and this brings up of course the or must move on the minute. The same same theme actually is one of the greatest worries for us is what people think about us and there's this nice quote. Internet I don't know who said it. The greatest prison that people live in is the fear of what other people think. True Very. True. We'd actually don't know what night thing. Fat Is this an ice? You've all heard this I think that in our teens and I know in my teens, it was very much the case. I was very self-conscious. I think people looking at you and in Iran maybe thinking what's he doing and I want you have ideas of what they're thinking about and we can be painfully self conscious as teenagers particularly then in our twenties. We. Usually not teens. It's interesting. We're interested in fitting in. That's the big mode when we're not ninety actually at school and so on. But when we get to our twenties. We interested in standing out. So you be noticed, this is the worst thing to be ignored actually, and so in our twenty s we were thinking we are thinking a lot about what other people think of as how it coming across and wishing to stand. In thirty s we become a bit more defiant. We don't care what people think about us. Care anymore and their forties or maybe even later here how quick we? Learning we realized people were thinking about us at all. who were they thinking about? Themselves exactly. So. That was a lovely lovely example Oh actually I've got an S Rudin story. It's good like that too but anyway may leave that. And we see thinking you know in. The part it plays stress I'm sure everybody is aware of it. You know that when we feel stressed usually to do with time, we don't have enough time in the day as they say and a lot of that is coming from thinking of seeing it myself. You know the you start get a mantra going aw got so much to do got so much to do you keep thinking thinking this and. It winds you up. It makes you feel more stressful than before. And sometimes what I do then is I think well, what if I got to do this? So didn't Write it. It's not that much really, and then I can relax. So this stress is really coming from thinking as well. It's coming from that that. Thinking which is fueling the fact that we don't have enough time in can be a bad habit bility's. Any of these thing. and. So now I would like to show some of the. This is the last one for the that'd be okay for. Showing the. Results the negative results of thinking. So I'd like to show a video, which is I think amazing video. On a man who survived jumping from the Golden Gate Bridge I got on the next bus. I sat in the very last seat in the middle, row Began to drive out to the Golden Gate Bridge. Nats when it hit me. Realize I didn't WANNA die at all I. Realize. Is All you do Kevin. Bus? I just wanted to pay in the south that's the common nominated people lose to suicide. Just wanted to pain to stop. I was walking up the bus driver hoping that. He would see my pain. When I could not say overtly I could not tell them. The Look at me and say, Hey, cutie you're. Wrong can I help you? The bus goes to the bridge I. Sat there crying. Bus driver turn he stood he looked at me and he said kid come on get off the bus I gotta go. There was a guy to my left said in the felonies to him pointing this thumb what the Hell's wrong with that kid with a smile on his face. I thought that's it. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Everybody cared. Just Walk back toward the traffic. Renaissance fast as I could. I threw myself over the rail. Milliseconds at my hands. INSIG- regret my actions. Absolute recognize. Face saving a life water. Vacuum. Sucked me. Waterman Seventy, eight feet. My legs were completely immobile. I. Had shattered my lower vertebrae discharge like glass. I. Opened my eyes. Deep dark depression that brought me that day and disappeared. Only. Thing I wanted to do needed to do had to do was survive. I realized I was going down I. Shot Four I thought was the service. Fascists. My arms would take me and I saw the little water above me I. See my destination. You'RE NOT GONNA. Make you. Round. Kevin. Major nineteen attempted to take his own life. Kevin. What happened with the Sea Lion? When I resurfaced. I swam. Seventy feet. With one breath and without the use of my legs. I swam because I knew I wanted to live I break the surface about down the water I can't stay afloat I keep going down to waterlogged I cannot stay afloat I'm going to drowned and that's when suddenly began circling anything faster and faster and faster and faster, and of course, I think it's a sharp. So I'm. I'm freaking out I to punch US Day. We'll go away. In the waters. To stay afloat and couldn't stay up water hey, sea lion came to my aid. There was no shark but there was a C. Line and the people above looking down blurred to be keeping your body of float to the Coast Guard boat arrived mind you. Got To live here because a creature Zalmay endanger and acted immediately and to me that's like my Guardian Angel who save me that day along with the Coast Guard pulled me out of the water. The Coast Guard arrived. They pushed me out of the water. They started asking me a bunch of questions. Guy Looks at me he leans in and he says kid. Do you know how many people. We pull out of this water that are already gone. And I said no, I don't want to know. and. He said well, I'm GonNa tell you. This unit has both fifty seven dead bodies out of this water. One Live Our next guest today also. To end his own, but Kevin hines survived and now uses his life to spread the message. There is hope and there is help. Want to help, people understand. Their thoughts don't have to lead them to attempt. Thoughts don't have to become their actions when they're suicidal. Jay. Golden Go. If we do not. Talk openly. About what suicide is Who Defects and how it affects them. If we're not use the word. Safely. With, education and awareness run the risk of missing all those people who have run their minds. I say to you. Now the next time you see someone in obvious emotional distress. I beg of you. Walk. Up to that person and say something to the effect of are you okay. Quite literally saving life in that moment. Everywhere, I go in the world and I travel everywhere I can. To talk about this story. When you tell someone story, they tell you there's and then they tell you truth for the first time they never told anybody who is my purpose is to ignite people to share the truth because pain shared is a pain habte anybody out there watching this right now. What do you want to know? Stop. Breath. In four seconds out eight. Do It thirty times stop breathe? You got plenty time to die. It doesn't have to be by your hands that destroys everyone left behind but don't feel guilty about it. You WanNa live because you deserve this life one thing you should never do as salads your pain. I silenced my pain two years. I buried. Deep down inside me. So many people do. And I lost myself. And it came out in burst. Of Rage, against myself that led me to attempt to take my life. I thought I had to don. And I was wrong. Wrong. Learn seen. So that's a remarkable experiences and. Especially in the saline site it's life I couldn't believe that. So you know his message was that thought that nobody cares is not true and of course, he realized that afterwards when he was cited by line that every every he says everybody cares and they do in Hawaii then situation actually is. So this is this is saying you know he's seeing the power believing thoughts and following thoughts and actually. Trying to commit suicide as he did and obviously having a big mission L. aliveness video particularly because is very good for young people. Because as you saw statistics at the end, it said fifteen to twenty nine years of age the suicide is the second. Course of greatest cause of death second calls. So that's something very serious for younger people, and of course, this is partly believing. is believing this thinking this destructive thinking being called into it. So what does would I have? To say about had a bad thinking and this strategy or this management plan for thinking dealing with thinking. And sometimes people might think well, did the Buddha thing. You think then the border thing. Did he did and I'll I'll go on a bit later where he's talking talks about his experience of you know it's quite interesting sort of description of his experiences as an ally in being and. It you may remember there's a Sutera in the the middle link discourses of Buddha, there's lots of the Buddhist teachings. Very voluminous. And in one of these suitors Wonderful Marvelous Quality Suda that the under his. Assistant Personal Assistant. You might say he looked after the Buddha for twenty five years and he goes through all these wonderful marvelous qualities the you know and he says. The this is the body sector actually before he came the boot. And he says, Oh you know when he passed away from his previous life. Conscious, he was conscious self where was born in the to heaven and then when he was when he was born on his last birth and became the Buddha, he was conscious away as he entered his mother's womb and when he Came out of his mother's womb. Is supposed to walk seven steps and spoken. And all these things and and been well anandas going on visa. True true and then at the very end this suit, it's lovely. Actually Buddha, says to an end and remember this as a wonderful a marvelous quality of the Buddha. The Tata Gitter that he knows is thought his feelings, his perceptions, his thought so As they arise Walla prison and changing even in the present that present. And as they pass away, he knew these things. This is just you know many people think. Wow. I think most people think. So what? This is amazing to be aware of. Feelings and perceptions because I so quick in the mind way when I come. Wallace while at present unchanging then pass away. This is really extraordinary. and. This gives us an insight into somebody that's completely is in completely enlightened, but they can be so aware of what happening in their body and minds and because of that and other people's bodies and minds. But the Buddha's management plan is for thinking thought Management Plan Israeli, the Ceuta he a teaching gave in again in the Middle Lane discourses on the two kinds of thought do people know that one two kinds of thought? I. Think it's so very famous one. And in this teaching, he talks about when he was actually not in. When. He was a Bodey Sat. On the way to be lightened the Buddha to be, and so he was still probably in the palace living the live and he contemplated on the two kinds of thoughts that he experienced. And the two kinds of very easy. Surely, one is wholesome and positive one is negative and unwholesome, and in one category, he put the negative category of. unwholesome on negative thoughts, he put the saints the. Desire the craving for saints. Pleasures for for things that you can see hear smell taste and touch even thinking about them he put the anger you will annoyance irritation that's the second time and the third time he said is harming oneself or So it's very interesting. The Buddha, me had these thoughts, the thoughts of we say greed hatred and delusion were there. That he was aware of them but he was also weighing that he had thoughts all. Being giving things up of generosity of loving kindness of contentment of non-harming in his mind and he realized that when he developed if he for instance had. A thought of greed and I think you're bad sensual pleasure that he he could experience and when you live in a palace, it's probably easy. To have a lot of they sensual experiences. When he thought about, he realized he had given up. Or have the head replaced this intention or this thought of giving generosity thinking of others. Rather than oneself and the Siamese same with with anger and irritation when he was angry or annoyed irritated I think it'd probably very very refined for a body set for this. Very. Wise so person at even at that stage when he was angry or irritated in given up the thought off loving kindness or. Patients with others compassion and when he was thinking of harming others, you know when we when we say things to other people to hurt them where we do things to hurt them, he realized that he'd given up the thought of non-harming actually having compassion for i. am thinking of what he could help help them with and this of course is as I mentioned in the last few weeks relates to. To qualities in in mind and this is. Attention and unwise attention. Basically wise attention as you only. So Manatee car, and this is when we give attention to anything we experience and negative qualities. Positive qualities grow. This is wise attention we know from. This is good. You know I feel more generous fueled mall kind I feel more connected with people I want to help people I don't want to harm them. So. This is wise attention unwise attention irony. So car, we give attention to things particularly our thoughts and for as a result, negative states of mind start to grow when we start get more greedy thinking just of what we want what we need and we get more angry we get more and also harm ourselves and others. So these types of thinking very clear actually, and this is a practical thing for us. We too can divide thinking into those sorts of thoughts that he used for helpful lead to positive results in allies, positive emotions for us and issue in good speech speech that is kind. Gentle And also in our actions as well. Actions where we WANNA help we want to give not thinking of ourselves so we can to use this very very Easy way really to divide our thinking and to see the results our lives are really investigation and we see we learn from our experience hopefully of what works what brings. Positive results in what brings negative results and that way we can monitor add thinking that way we have got a thought Management Plan in action. And we coat avait the the more the positive and the wholesome the wise attention. We find that there's less base for the negative things to develop because a mind has got that focus and this is comes back to the Buddha's teaching that you know by developing positive wholesome states of mind we and maintaining them we avoid and let go negative states of mind. So it's very a call it the shortcut. Have a shortcut. and He makes the comment. This is quite important especially for meditators actually that you know in this Ceuta, we're talking about the two kinds of thoughts. He says in that he could think any of these wholesome thoughts, these positive thoughts. For as long as he wished, and he goes on a day for a day or a night or a knife and a die and or this a long time. But he said it would tie the body just this thinking I think we're tired of mind to actually and make it difficult to develop this one point in of mind this is when the mind comes together in meditation. The mindfulness becomes very very still and one point. And all the negative qualities in the mind have gone. This is coming towards stillness and one point in this and why was that so important? Because from that one can develop the power of mine to see things in a different way, and of course, we know that the border on the nineties enlightenment who somebody said. He practice this deep meditation with mine with very one pointed came out of that with a power that mind it became the. Because he saw his past lines you. So how we pass away is millions and millions of them that must have been really I mean some people feel tired and thinking of going to work gain in a game again. So thing when you see millions of lives and you've done it again and again, it must be really turn you off. Doing it again. and. So gave him some of the wisdom and he saw that also that we rise in annualized, we're reborn according to actions as in this in our previous lives by body speech and mind, and also then he saw the negative qualities in the mind and they were destroyed, his mind was purified and he understood the wisdom came of the foreign truths. So. So that's for the Buddha and the Buddhist say you know in a next suitor in the in that middle length discourses called calming of distracting thoughts? Big. Subject. To say that is possible become a master or mistress of thought or thinking, and to think what one wants and not what one doesn't want wish to think. When he says that it sounds like I'm deciding isn't it sounds like I. Decide where I want to think what I don't want to think. But for person, they can do this who is a master mistress of thought is not that they are willing it they understand the causes and conditions for particular types of thinking to come up the negative thinking on the positive thinking and because of that, they can choose the imports things that will. Bring up the positive will bring and won't bring up the negative and we have that choice by at wise attention or unwanted attention. So we see that in particularly with our lives as a lot of import I call import from the TV is old-fashioned radio, even more old fashioned from the Internet and for many newspapers from many different sources, and we have to decide for ourselves what is giving rise to beneficial effects in alive and what isn't? You know as I often say. If. Watching the news or reading the news in whatever format with Dylan. Media and we find ourselves depressed angry and upset I. Stay to myself. What good is that? What good is that that's obviously unwinds attention. Some people can watch the news or read it whatever format and they can develop compassion for people and think you know. This is the why people can go if they had the wrong sort of singing the wrong sort of understanding and so this is very then it's useful. So it's not a hard and fast rule it has to depend on. Whether. It's giving rise to positive or negative for us in allies wisdom that supports thought management this thought Management Plan. Is really attitude is the most important? You know first of all that thinking is sort of a sense of acceptance of thinking the thinking is natural. It's a function of the mind if we try to stop it. If we? Try to use willpower. You've had had A. A, try it this it doesn't work and. So, one of the interesting things is when we can except. When we can accept thinking when we can see it is natural and when we don't use this. Negative Mon state which. Says No I don't want to think. This is a version, really this two aspects. Relating I think we get into it isn't desire or we want to get rid of it if we haven't got me for meditation so. If we're experiencing very negative thinking, we often will wanted to stop wanting to be free of that man who jumped off the bridge jumped over the rail at the Golden Gate Bridge. This this sort of. Attempt to get rid of thinking getting involved with thinking is not in the middle middle way as the voter would sign. So. When we can't accept thinking, it tends to just run out of energy and it will reduce by itself. It'd be nice if it stops and sometimes in meditation or in daily life, we can experience those moments when thinking stops and it's just perfectly quiet and they are just extraordinary moment sexually because you realize how noisy it so much thinking in lives like somebody mentioned yesterday lives near busy road and the so used to the traffic they don't notice and then somebody comes visit accountants and they say, Oh, my goodness. So noisy what what? You get used to it. So in the same way, you know when thinking stops, we're aware of how noisy it is and how busy it keeps the mind and I'll just end with one story because then is twinned with story that emphasizes this and it's from a brown. Brahms experience and he mentioned it's. One of the books I think in mindfulness bliss and beyond probably, and he mentioned in his fifth Vassar this is the fifth rains retreat when we have each year. Buddhist monks and nuns. We have a three month period retreat period and it's usually in the Indian. See rainy season, which fortunately Australia is also winter. That's very good. Other places it's not summer so and he at five zero, five with his had spent five of these Vassar or range retreats in a monastery. That was for training foreign monks that were dying with a John. CIA. An agenda is famous meditation master living in Northeast Thailand. And he developed he set up this. Monastery for training foreign monks after five five months five years of being there. This is usually five year period he was allowed to go wondering. So he went wandering to various other monasteries and leaving on his arm and he found he loves caves. And likes these dark caves and very quiet places and he found a cave in in. The northeast. Chang Meyer that way and he was an ideal place. Really. Really Perfect, very quiet and and perfect for meditation, but then he found. that. sit down and thinking would take over. It would be thinking thinking thinking. And so I didn't come here to meditate spent five years in the monastery. Now have got my opportunity and said, it wouldn't be too bad if it was just ordinary thinking thinking about past girlfriends and sensuality. So it was really getting very unpleasant for him and making his mind very upset because here he was he was eighty two minutes I take full advantage of the ideal conditions. So he was very exasperated, very disparate actually and haven't been bound went and bound to the shrine three times to the Buddha statue there and made a deal with the mind and he said the deal he made was well. For one air that you can think what you want. The mind can think well, it's the rest of the time you. Were used from patient will follow the breath will be with the breath it's interesting isn't it to know that Brown had difficulties With Meditation. A. So he thought this was a good deal. So at least one error the day, it would be free thought. And the rest of the time. I mean one hour the day he would be thinking and the rest of the day he could be free of thought when he was practicing meditation. So he came to came to the time agreed on afternoons three o'clock sit damn legs out. To think anything. Fig Viggo mind can think. Any thought you wish or girlfriends whatever. Set there. And the mind immediately went to watching the bread. No thinking. And it just dawned on him. You know how? Amazing he'd made this deal with this hour was just thinking and what had happened the mind wasn't thinking at all. because. He wasn't fighting the mind. He wasn't trying to force the mind it was accepting. or I'd go ahead think. And then having given that freedom it didn't. It just became quiet peaceful. You can watch the breadth breath after brand. So this. Gave Him. A great lesson gives us a great listen to. This is second noble truth meditation he was doing before when he wanted no thinking, he wanted to stay with breath. He didn't want any thoughts. This is called the source or the origin of suffering or unsatisfactory as wanting things to be other than they are this very moment. But fortunately, when he made this deal with his mind, he real realized the Third Noble Truth type of meditation, which is letting go of wanting things to be this way or that way letting go of wanting the thinking to disappear letting go of wanting to stay with every letting go off desire and when he did that. then. He would stay with bread. We learnt so much from that that the resistance the wanting things to be other than they are this particular moment. was causing the problem. And that was a great breakthrough for him in his understanding. So unlike to end here, it's late and just hoping that we can take some of the is. Management Plan for thinking on board to defied thinking into the useful the. That which is not used for into positive and the negative and used that and remember that video of Kevin Hines to. That, when we feel a bit log, we can remember everybody cares. So everything is really I. Think this is quite if the scene line could care for this Kevin Kevin Hines so life is there really than everybody cares to us thinking in the best way so that it enhances ally. Detract from law and and enhance his wisdom understanding of of ourselves, body this body and mind and live to so like to finish their over time. So thank you very much for them for everyone watching. Maybe, this time is there any questioned? Big. Subject isn't it? You can talk about it for You can think about it for hours. Just. A couple of. Okay the first question common common advices, Yup keep. Keep yourself busy when you're depressed what do you think? What's the benefit of meditation at depressing times when my negative thoughts are overwhelming? Yes. Yes. Yes. Keeping yourself busy. It can be a good thing for depression for sure and particularly, if you know a very good antidepressant for all of us is giving giving his very good thing if we can help others that helps us in a big way. So that's true and at that time you know with in when there is depression in the mind in terms of meditation, it can be very helpful if we develop these. Positive emotions in her mind. So if your instance if develop loving kindness mentor Mitra for ourselves, just as we are fully because this myth might be fully exempt ourselves as we are. We don't have to be a Beta version or different. We Accept Aso's as we are and this Meta's mind tree of unkindness accepts others as they are too. So this is actually going to the root often all the problem with depression. Negative, states of mind is a very bad sense of ourselves. Low self esteem, a negative image of ourselves. So this Meta, this loving kindness can help us very much except so accept others and most importantly forgive ourselves and forgive others too because this often can turn things around for us in terms of depression in because it will it will replace some of the negative thinking about it. There's another video was gonNA show actually. Negative self-talk. But. There's more time that one, but this is so it's very useful to what we're doing with this meta meditation not only made Karuna compassion with joy without us equanimity replacing negative self self-talk not with just words what we're placing with is heartfelt feeling of acceptance of friendliness towards ourselves and others to compassion wanting to help ourselves and others and joy with others success in good qualities and equanimity. This support for others we know that the allies a running according to they conditioning. Very you try and change somebody it's hard enough to change so and we have to have this. We don't get negative about it, but we give this sort of loving support. So very important to do the meditation, maybe just being mindful of the depression not so helpful but to bring out these positive qualities that actually address the root of the depression. They also address the root of anxiety too because often it's a a negative. Idea of ourselves which is at the root of that as well. Anxiety I, think you think. Oh forty five. Sons Abetting Zaidi. Why some people more anxious than others is there a Buddhist perspective on this difference? Thank you, John, yes, why some people are anxious in others? To a large extent, as you may gathered from this talk is what sort of thinking we are encouraging what sort of thinking we're giving attention to. If. We're giving attention to thinking about the future lot and that may be I haven't got enough time can't cope. These sorts of thoughts they move become anchor. I don't have the ability to deal with the things that are coming up in my life, and these will give rise to the sense of anxiety and retained to give more and more attention to them. So and when they become this automatic, Patton you know then you have the panic attack tools warning it's just happening. And I know people there was the she's was coordinator for Meditation Group in February. That was what border to meditation was the fact she was having panic attacks in two or three in the morning, and and so then she became interested in meditation and was able to turn that around because she she could see that it was recording. That was something that was out of her control, and once we realized that that thinking is out of our control but it. We can influence it by the attention we give to various positive things or negative things. So that's what I would say why some people more anxious than others You know, sometimes the conditions we live in two can give rise to anxiety and insecurity insecurities. Is. A big factor in anxiety. It really fades an insecurity really ties in to the CENSO- wanting things to be permanent to be predictable to be reliable. This is and of course, they aren't. But some people live in more. Unpredictable circumstances than others. So for instance, you know I could just see it in my own experience that that dying Nubrik forest monastery happened in the hills outside Melman when that fire warning was there, you could feel that everybody was a little on edge. There was this anxiety because we didn't know at any moment insecurity that we could have to go and so. Sometimes the situations we live in promote insecurity that sense of anxiety and that can be family dynamics that can be the dynamics in a country or societe particular time wartimes very difficult for people and people who lived in Sri. Lanka when the there was the the war going on with the Tamil Tigers, they experienced that especially, if you know some people who were living in Colombo who are living near some oil and oil refinery blowing up after that after the caught on fire was destroyed, they came to a stranger. So. Then insecurity prompted into to that anxiety. So the source of anxiety many but we can limited reduce. It are the things we pay attention to all the things we don't give attention to. So if we can limited by heading towards focusing on giving wise attention to positive wholesome things and reduce by not. Giving attention to those things that promote. The anxiety so that's a home that's us for four year. It's good news because we can even though these things programmed, you might say we can choose the programming to a certain extent. We can influence the programming by how intelligence investigation of experience on St benefit experience and then taking. Changing the focus to something is rise to better results. So I hope that's helpful for you. Yeah. It's just a statistic I, read about thinking. I don't know exactly how psychologists have measured this book by they say the average person. eighty percent of their thinking is negative. Wow and ninety, seven percent of the thoughts we have in any particular day. I. Just thought we've already had this on a loop so many on one day about three percent of our thoughts on new. That much was really amazed. Three percent. That's pretty good. Isn't it? So. This is now thank you for listening to is it's it's interesting. Because now we have. So thank you for that. It does point to you know the fact that it's a we are you know playing recordings we're not choosing new recordings. The recordings applying we choose the things we give attention to and then I give rise to our recordings that appear in Athol Woods so yes, and the big part of thinking that it's always a useful to reflect is thinking is a very big support for who I am. You know that's why we think it's a lifeline for being I me myself and and sometimes when people find that there is no thinking the mind even you know briefly in meditation, fear can arise because. So. This thinking has that that that function to it gives support to whoever we think we are, and usually that's such limited version of who we can be if we can let go of this, time me in mine. So I carried you have may may all of us develop the wholesome, the positive and allies in thinking and speech in an action and reduce the negative and the unwholesome laws through thinking speech and action. The thinking is the most important where all coming from. So, if those would like to weaken pay respects to the Buddha Dhamma Sangha thank you very much.

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914 Ryan Foland: Communicating Ideas in 3 Simple Words

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914 Ryan Foland: Communicating Ideas in 3 Simple Words

"Here's what you can look forward to on this episode of the nice guys on business. The end of the day. It's understanding that the more you talk, the less capable listen, and the less you talk, the more people ask questions, and when people ask questions it turns into conversation conversation. Creates curiosity curiosity is what will help you to close the deal put that coffee down coffee's for closers, only and the nice guys on business. Need an education on how to grow your business? The nice guys are here to help. Learn about great customer service networking, and how just being nice can help you prosper now here all your host, Doug Sandler and Strickland Bonner, so nice guy community imagine being able to communicate your idea your complete idea your brand in your story in just three sentences while you know, me I can't fuck and say it in three paragraphs unless I have an ex wife and a checkbook on me. And how about just that to be able to do exactly that in just three words? Well, as a speaker, managing partner of influence tree Ryan fallen helps executives harness the power of owner ability and authenticity to build better more relatable, more profitable brands, three sentences three words, and probably even knowing Ryan, he he'll probably I'll dare him to be able to do it. Maybe even in one word. So Ryan is the inventor of three one three methods of discovery process that helps communicate ideas into just three sentences, which is then condensed. In the one sentence, and ultimately oil down into just three words. He's got a book coming out. We'll talk about that as well. It's it's going to be how to do all of this your cell phone, social at a really really understand what your brand and your and your boom is really all about one is not speaking. He's most likely sailing, Hiller talk jibs mass port starboard all of those right and left on the boats. Have no idea how that works. Let's jump right into it. Ryan full. And here we go in the nice guys. Welcome Ryan, rock and roll. Let's get on the boat and go, let's hoist the main sail. Let's let's head for the island of our destination. What our brand is. And not get hit by the boom. But discover your boom and then go boom, I like that. So so I got I gotta understand right here. A port starboard it which one is left, and which one is right. And how can I once and for all be able to to know is or is it front and back? I don't even know your your close. It's going to be right or left now which which word, right or left has more letters in it, right? You are correct now which word has more letters in it port or starboard. I'm gonna go starboard for four parts. Wake. Starboard is right and port is left. And if you ever forget, it's just a matter of which one has the most letters they match up. Well, what the hell was wrong with either Galileo or whoever determined why couldn't they just call it, right and left. Why do they need to go port and starboard? You know, it was an old time. Then when the language was a bit different. And there is a bit of history between the port and starboard, but that's a different podcast. I don't want to bore people with our our stuff. But now, they know like and also if you want to always remember which hand is left which your thumbs out and put your hands. Like, I got it. I know loser. I know I got its left. His name is the loser side. I got I think your your left hand becomes an L. Yeah. Right. Right. I got it. I know I learned that by my third grade gym teacher the who used to tell me to pair off in threes. So it's like. Let's go back to either. So nice guy community. You may hear in the background. There is a whole bunch of hustle bustle going on Ryan, a try the check into his hotel, the hotel room at ready is I think I think I heard him say he was doing some work for Microsoft small company today. And and he was on a train. He's already been on Twitter chat. I'm just happy to have him here because he is a is a direct referral for Michael Houlahan. And if y'all remember, I don't know how many episodes go, Michael and Bonnie were on the the nice guys sharing their their three hundred million dollar adventure with with barefoot wine. So I'm sure that Ryan's messages worthless thing through some of the chatter that's going on in the back. And so what what was your scheduled today supposed to be? How smooth was it's supposed to be. I think it's still going pretty smooth. Because I try to get to the gym every day. That's that's maybe my one hack I can share with everybody. And there was a while where I would just think to myself and complain like I don't have enough time to go to the gym today. And so my lady is like, you know, you don't have to go for a full like hour or two hours. I'm like, oh my. Gosh, and it just lightning struck. So a got to the gym early. I jammed to my radio show, which is a library show on FM. So I got there just in time soon as a radio show is over I jumped onto the civic surf liner a train Amtrak train and and headed down a little. I gotta understand so wait. So you actually do your your live radio show from the gym. No, no. Are you on the treadmill? Wasn't. Sure. Maybe no. This is a this is we broadcast out of K UCI. It's a at the university of California Irvine their campus. They've got a station that's alive station. That's been going strong twenty four hours a day since nineteen eighty two. So I do my part. But from the train I landed here in San Diego, and I'm at the social media marketing conference in on the train. I was not only on Winnie sons tweet chat, which celebrated her third year and has had over twenty billion impressions as a result of that tweet chat. And then I get a note from Microsoft that I'm owed them four videos for an influence or deal. I've been working with them on. And I forgot so I'm like, so I'm filming on the train as the people combine their like, sir. You're not allowed to film here without written consent. I'm like, yes, I can because I'm not filming anybody like put a post it note on the on the camera side of my of Mahia, leave me the fuck alone. And then and then I'm just hiding in. This little kid kept popping his head back up in the backseat. So it's it's been interesting, but I made it through God here. Finished the the tweet chat strong. And I am now here with you and all the other nice guys and girls listening. So this is a typical day in you have two choices you can either be stressed out by it or you can just kind of be excited to have fun with it. So god. You're so right about that. So many people take the the, you know, the the detours as as we have in our day, and they take them as as negative energy. And I always look at Adamus springboards proper to to for growth in learning new things. So thanks for failing analogy like you can't choose the direction of the wind, and that comes for all kinds of things, but you can actually know where you're going back and forth us what you have. And it just makes life that much more exciting anxious. This excitement are very close on a on a molecular level, and what it does in your brain. And so you I've had a I've had the pleasure of practicing flipping anxiety to site meant more often than not. So I just in looking through some of your social media profile. I know a lot of what you do is related to to social media also. And we'll talk about what you do. I spent so much of the beginning part of this flap in my gums, we're almost out of time right of bite you back for another actually tell everybody what you've known of just so so. You're you're I know a lot of what you do is is is is handled on social media as well. What came first the the ability or the desire to be influenced her and the clients toback it up or did the influence or come first, and then companies like Microsoft, come to you as an influence or and start, you know, you have something like, I don't even know several hundred thousand followers between Twitter in your other social media channels. So had he I cannot even start with how do you even build up? I mean, I thought I had a really good social media following with close to fifty grand, but between all of my channels, but it pales in comparison to where to where you're heading. So how do you even get there? If somebody's in my community saying I want to get my message out and become an influence your head. Okay. So there's a few questions packed in there. But that's okay. I've got bags. No, no. It's totally fine. But I'm going to unpack it. So we're gonna open up the suitcase and get to the very middle of the question and the core where did it all start in an all started with a conscious decision to focus on building my own personal brand. And there was an inciting incident and an inciting incident is important because people want to do stuff for years at a time. But sometimes it takes a button to fly off and hit somebody to make them actually take the steps to lose the weight. So for me, I was called into my boss's boss's office. And I was convinced that I was being fired and this moment in my life. I was like damn it. Here we go again. I built this mazing thing I put on my heart and effort and energy into something. And now it's going to have to be part of my past which I'm going to have to sink down and hide. And then focus on what the next step. It is all happens like in my brain. Right. And so I think at that moment, I was like I have to stop investing everything in putting these companies that I'm building and these places where I'm working at in front of me, I need to stand in front. De needs to be one for them one for me. And that was the moment where I changed, and that's were at that point. This is I think three maybe four years ago. I had a collective following of two hundred people across all platforms. And now here we are three or four years later, and I'm approaching the four hundred thousand so the difference was one deciding to build my personal brain. And the challenge was I was doing everything that I thought was the right thing to do. And in my path. I ended up being invited to this really cool party Keith Rossi's house who's sort of the one of the renown networker of the entire world. Great book called never eat alone. And I met who became my future business partner there and Keith has he's parties where instead of saying. Hey, I'm Ryan this what I'm doing this going great. It's hey, my name is Ryan. Here's what's going wrong with me, professionally and personally, and so I- men all these successful people leading with what was wrong, and that's how I connected with Leonard. Tim who we were able to help each other out, and what I found out in working with Leonard is at I was doing all. The right things. And I'm assuming your listeners you are doing all the right things. But we're you're missing it is you're doing the right things in the wrong order, and that should be exciting. But also frustrating because you could be writing you could be trying to speak. You could be doing all these things you'd be posting daily. You could be doing live shows. That's all great. But if you don't take a step back and start at square one. And actually know what your position is in the marketplace. What problem it is it you solve who you want us all of that for and have an ability to communicate that then you come across a scrambled. You come across looking like everybody else. Trying to do the same thing. When in actuality, the only and best way to differentiate yourself is to be yourself. And that means sharing the good, the bad and your particular version of ugly. So what was funny about it is everybody seems to lead this? I I call it the Facebook life, you know, you go to Facebook and everything is great about their life. And you keep thinking what the fuck. I mean, there's no possible way that somebody in. And then, you know, then you see that they've they've changed shops three or four times. Over the last several years they've worked on several projects and I'm like on the surface. It may look really good. But come on. Nobody switches careers and opportunities as much as you are doing if you're really having that great up a great a great time with what you're doing. And so the trick translate that into action success and following in building community. I'm going to tell you what followers don't matter followers. Don't sell books followers. Don't do shit. It's the community that you built. And if you build it, right? You are bringing people into your journey into your life, and that comes with a combination of business and personal sharing challenges if you just your business business business. Here's my podcast. Here's my tip. Here's my this. Here's my video here here here. Like, there's nothing that's much in it for the listener to be involved with you as a human. And so there's there's a a mix that you have to find I'm trying to increase my personal mix. And as soon as I tweet things out that I wouldn't necessarily think I would want to share. That's when people jump in the conversation. Great example, I was giving a keynote. At this massive event. And I had him Hickel that was crowning on my forehead, and I was just out about it's like a four camera shoot. I'm like excited for the footage from my real. And I text Leonard I'm like Leonard, I have this huge pimple. I don't know to do. And he's like, why are you telling me this you need to tweet this need to be vulnerable. You need to let people know that you have pimples, Stu, and I said, okay. So I took a picture of it pointing on said, oh my gosh. I'm keynoting with three cameras in thirty minutes. I have this huge crime can. But what do I do? That tweet pretty much broke the internet at that moment in time it ended up being the highest most engaged most like most retweeted of an entire three-day conference with all kinds of crazy speakers. And it was there was teen. Pop. Teen don't pop at tons of gifts. Everybody was like. To me. I was like, wow. Like, I go to these conferences tweet a whole bunch. But where where I was when I was like, you know, what this is really happening like I have implement for it all of a sudden, I became human everybody wanted to share their opinion. And so it's it's this mix that is the Knicks -ture so fast forward, and people tend to levitated towards people they can relate to and if you look at an executive or somebody who is a quote unquote, living there, Facebook wife, and they're bad ass. You look at their bio, it's like bad ass, bad as bad as bad as bad as bad as targeted relate to that. You look at my bio talk about how I was bullied as a kid how I got investigated by the FTC how I've I've had all these ups and downs. But it's as a result that experience has become my expertise. And so I think the biggest thing holding people back is there fear of sharing. What is really their best life, not their Facebook wife, and that's that's we talk about in this in our book called ditch the act you can follow our book on Twitter. I now at ditch the. Working on the landing page. It's under McGraw Hill. And literally that is. People who come to us like how do we get more engagement? We say what was a recent problem that you face like, we have five levels of a one two three four level. One is stuff that silly stuff. I came all the way down here to San Diego. And I went to the gym, right? I forgot my entire toiletry bag. I'm so irritated. I know like everything that I needed was in my toiletry bag, and I have forgotten it because I was in a rush in between things. So if I were to tweet out, which I will how amazing today is except for the fact that I have none of my toiletries people are gonna like engage with that. And it's going to be right, right. That's where you include people in the conversation. So so back to this. It's about deciding to commit to your personal brand. It's about doing the things that you're doing but in the right order starting with positioning, and where where you are essentially focused, and and I would say the final cap is understanding that people do not care. What you do right now? I have four tech stocks. And and my third one and talk all about this. Nobody cares. What you do? So get over that they care about the problem that you solve. So if you can't articulate the problem that you saw it you can't dive deep into that problem that you solve and describe it in a way that people are like, wow, you're right. The nobody is going to see you as a solution for a problem that they have there's just so many people providing solutions but not communicating the problem. So for me, I focused not on what I do. But the problem that I solve and that's what results in companies like Microsoft, reaching out to me a lot of this is inbound is not going. Hey, hey, hey, look at me. It's writing grinding on trying to figure out how to best solve a particular problem. The that burns and people's hearts and souls and kills them fully what what is right. Well, what would I love so much about? And I was looking a little bit further into this three one three method that you've that you've created in. What's so great about it is your excuse me? I'm just interested. This cold is that you are you're able to condense people's I guess, I mean a more. Clear clearly identified brand in just a few sentences, and then you go from one from three cents is down to one. And then you boil down to three words, so maybe or. Yeah. Into three words. So can you just give me a a little bit of a thirty five thousand foot a view of what that looks like? So people can say, oh, this is this is totally cool. Because I know there's a lot of people that have a very challenging time describing what they do in in less than a lot of bumbling. Yeah. And stump. Absolutely. So it's fun. It's fun exercise that I do all the time. I actually have a radio show based on it. So for a non thirty five thousand level view. You can go to rhino dot com slash three one three show. And and you hear me go through this process in our with each people. And at the end of the day. It's understanding that the more you talk the less people. Listen and the left's you talk the more people ask questions, and when people ask questions it turns into converstation conversation. Curiosity curiosity is what will help you to close the deal. And so at the end of the day, it's it's an art form in speaking less and helping others to get to what you are doing allowing them to participate in that operas. So the three main factors at it's based on is one the problem that you solve to your solution and three your market now that doesn't sound like rocket science. But it is absolutely mind boggling to me that most every single person I talked to and I say, look, let's pretend that I don't care. What you do? Can you just tell me the problem that you saw without telling me what you do and that is such a hard task. So that one of the clearest tangible deliveries deliverables of the process is getting put into a box. So that you can communicate the one single biggest problem that you solve in one sentence at actually gets people interested in your idea without even telling them what they do. And here's the example. It's fast. I mean, just the idea that you can do that is fascinating. And I was thinking about what is the problem is with my podcast production business. I'm just thinking. What is the problem that I solve? And I don't really know that. I mean, I know that people are phone rings steadily for people that are interested in in having us go do a concept launch and then podcast production editing after that. But I don't really know the problem I solve other the making their life easier. So that they don't have to do. But that's what you do which so this is fun. Let's try this real quick. And in the whole series is like this. I say can you describe the problem that you solve the one-sentence? Then can you describe your solution in one sentence? Then can you describe your target market in one sentence without using the e word for the a word and that sets the foundation? So it's it's simple. But it's so complex because it's so simple. What's the what's the word, everyone or anyone? Okay. Okay. Okay. How many people I talked to you? And I say what is your target market like your ideal customer avatar, like the person that you're after in the go, everyone who know so anybody who know because when. No one. So let's play with with your problem. Real quick. Do you agree that people care more about the problem that you solve as opposed to what you do just as a baseline? Do you believe in that? I think people think it's exciting. So I I would I would challenge by that. But I could see how yes, I think people would believe in the us said in the solution to the problem rather than what I do know. It's it's it's not the solution out of it. It's it's a matter of it's a matter of do people care more about what you do or the problem that you solve the problem that I saw so as that as a baseline, it would then follow to be important to be able to explain the problem that you solve without telling people what you do. Because technically, we're agreeing that they don't care as true. Okay. All right. Here's what happens actually, give me an example of you. So tell me the problem that your company sells, and I know you said you can't. But come on. You got like what is what is what is the biggest problem that you think you solve for people we make earns you see that? I was quick on that. Because what happened? You said we make. Telling you what you do. Remember? I don't care what you do. So try to say what the problem is without your instincts are going to want to share what you do. But just try to share the problem. So the problem is what what what problem do these people have. Poor marketing is that a problem or they don't understand new media? Okay. So that would be a problem. But it's not. Yeah. It's not a good one. I know it's not a good one. I'm trying to think what the problem only my asked your three your most recent clients signed up, and then they worked with you for a year or six run. I talked to him. I said what problem has been solved now. What would that look like, I don't know? I don't know. So is the problem of setting up and launching a podcast. So mind boggling that when you think about it your brain explodes. It shouldn't be. I don't think. So I don't think that that's the prog. I don't think I don't think that that just the the idea of somebody wanting podcast in Megan being able to do that for them is the is this is the problem being solved there. I think that that is the symptom or it's the it's it's the it's the operation that we're doing for that who is the. But that doesn't saw the po- is the is the problem that they don't understand how to leverage new forms of communication to get their message out to build their business to do something. Closer closer. They don't have an effective business development tool that takes prospecting and a bunch of the things that we do to help monetize out of the way. And we give them an easy resource to to monetize their or we don't care about that. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Right. What I'm hearing is that the problem is if you don't have a platform to leverage as a means of business development, you simply won't get new business. Therefore, you will go out of business. It's partly true. Because without a podcast, they probably won't go out of business. But with podcast, we make it easier for them to create a business development tool for their business. But I don't know how to other is if if as a business owner, you do not have a podcast as a platform. You are missing blank missing opportunity, miss something. Like that missing opportunity. You could be leaving tons of money on the table. And that is exactly you're leaving. Yeah. Yeah. We definitely solved that was. So check out. Let's let's say we can work on that sentence. But here's where this comes into the real world. Right. If somebody asks you what you do try, and I encourage your listeners to try because it's so crazy how this works. They'll say, what do you do look at them kind of make it seem like you're coming up with it on the spot and say, I know this sounds funny. But it's really not what I do. That's important. What's important is the problem that I solved and then stop talking? And they're going to say wolf would problem is then you go. Okay. So the problem is that as a business owner without a podcast in the golden era of podcast, you're leaving more money on the table than it would take to invest to create a platform that that that can be more business or something. Right. Right. Watch this. And now, I could say, we'll do you think that that's a problem in the real world, and they would say either. Yes, or no, right. Okay. Say we'll do you have this problem in particular? I mean, are you missing upon CASAs for your strategy either? Yes, or no. And they'll say, yes. So if they say, yes, you can say now are you looking or interested in starting a podcast anytime soon? And if they say, yes, you smile, and you say I can help you out. No. If you look at what happened there at no point. Did I tell you what I do? But what you you're interested now. And then you're going to now say, okay, we'll tell me what you do. And here's where the second sentence comes involve what is your solution? And can you put it in one sentence? So you should you should have this one down, Pat. If I said Gotcha. I understand the problem. So what is your solution? Can you tell me what your solution isn't one sentence? We create a podcast that helps you use this as a business development tool. I mean, I I in one sentence. I don't look into that. Here. Here's the thing. It's so everyone thinks that longer is better when it comes explaining what you do. But it's not an here's why if I ask you what you do. And you tell me we have this innovative system that helps to get you up and running on a podcast with an x amount of time. Something has very high level. What you do an op talking if the person is interested at all the next question. They will ask is. So how does that work? Right. And now, you have a chance to say, well, what do you know about podcasts? Have you tried it before, you know, are you somebody who's dabbling in it? And then all of a sudden, you get information from them, and you're having a conversation. So you're able to wait for their permission to give them more information and the challenge that most entrepreneurs make is it when people ask them what they do. They answer how they do what they do. And that's why they're so long winded. And that's why they they talk themselves past the sale, and that's why they overwhelm people with information. So you bring them in with the single problem. You get. Them to agree. And then you let them know you can help them out. And you say here's my solution that solutions should clearly solve the problem. And then you say what? Well, I just wanna make sure that you understand this service that I have is not for everyone. And you tell them exactly who it's for your target market in one sentence. Because one of the best ways to get people. Interested is to take it away. Yeah. And if you like, this is great anybody anybody wants to have modulus you like, no, no, this is a very particular client. This is somebody who has certain revenue certain amount of money certain interests, certain certain this boom, then they can self identify with that. Or they can realize how they can help you better introduced to somebody. I've always felt that that that last thing that you just said, which is you take it away from them. I always have I I don't know if this is just been my strategy my entire life or just the way that I the way that I think I'd rather have someone convinced me that that they need what I have rather than having me convinced them that what I have is worth taking a look at 'cause I never wanna be perceived as a salesperson. I always wanted previ- perceived as as an educator, and and if they choose not to buy what I have I'm okay with that. Maybe that's the reason. I haven't been ultra successful because they don't lean into the sales. The right clients. And that's the thing. Like, if you have the wrong client, they're gonna waste way more of your time that you could have invested in otherwise. Now, let me give you an example underwater because I'm overlooking the water here in the ocean. I'm just like like longing for but. Yeah, I don't know if you've ever SP have you ever gone. Spearfishing never have seen it on television, Jacques Cousteau. So so I'm all about, you know, eating what you kill. This isn't macabre not like saying gone there and shoot fish. But when you're hunting big fish is a very similar strategy. If you see a fish, you dive down, and you've basically chase after them like they will run away they will swim away, you will never shoot them. But it's it's a crazy thing happens. You go down. You get them to understand that you're in the presence, and then you chill or you back off. They might be interested in your bubbles. They're going to hang out for a second. See what's happening? And then that's you bring them to you. So it's it's it's classic psychology. Whether it's a Fisher human, nobody wants to be chased down. And if you can clearly articulate who you are not. Irving, and you can package who you are serving into a sentence. And what you have here is three sentences the single problem that you solve the solution. The what not the how and your targeted market those three sentences on its own is all you need to do to plant your idea into somebody said and get them involves into understanding of wanting more. It's fascinating. So so the the website just to make sure I have it. Right. It's Ryan full in dot com forward slash three one three show. Yeah. So that'll bring you right to over one hundred zones where I bring people through this process and work them through it. And I really challenged challenged them. And it's like we spend a lot of time going back and forth on this problem into we isolated to like this perfect Hereford problem, and then for the rest, you're out there and people ask you what you do you like it's not what I do. I'm more excited about the problem myself. What properties you just you get into these conversations where you bring people in and they get interested. So that is an really teases out this core messaging now this can be used for you as a person for your brand for your company or their your podcast. Right. What problem do you solve what is your solution? And so this is where somebody who's graduating highschool doesn't know how to position themselves can use this to identify that. They have a clear vision of the problem, they're solving what they wanna do to solve it. And who they want to target, and it goes all the way to to somebody who is in a company, and it say, maybe a massive company, and you have leadership at the top this trying to communicate what that company does. How many employees have fortune five hundred companies still have a hard time explaining what they do with their company or what the company does. So using this as a tool to teach executives how to tease out the core messaging, and then empowering their employees to be better at conversations with people in real life. And that's where the expansiveness comes when your employees become ambassadors. His are sharing what they do in their excited about it and have tools for so so this is high level, right? Those are the three sentences. Mathematically, we squeak we can squeeze it into one. So real quick if you have three letters avian, see how many times can you combine those letters in different ways. Let's see A B C a CB be a C B C A C A B and CBA thinking six right? And is at six I was counting with my fingers. I got all right now. Let's substitute A B and C for the letters. He s an 'em. How many times can you combine them? Now. I'm gonna go sit good trick mush. And he found it. If you truly have identified the one single problem because most people think that they solve multiple problems. So like, oh, we do this solve this problem. This note, if you really lock it into one the highest level, and you know, what you do like high level. What right. Not not how. But what? And then if you have a very clear at your the customer, then you can say in one sentence for these people who have this problem. Here's what I do for this problem that these people have yourself, I solve it. This is what I do for these people that have this problem. It is a hard compound sentence that simply pulls out the top level elements. And so if in one sentence, you want explain your idea, you can say in and I don't we didn't get into the market, but you know, for business owners that are less than five million revenue, but want to get to ten and don't have a platform that is a podcast to create more business development. I've got a simple system that gets them setup within six months. I'm just making that up. But just wow, he just you really just did it though. I mean, this you hit you hit each one of us. The solution. The message the yeah, I mean, you hit it all that was great. You know, what's nice is you don't have to memorize this. Like, if I know the core problem, I can say ten different ways. And if I know this so so there's your one-sentence, right? And if you're a networking event, the ability to say that on the fly six different ways is not a bad thing. So let's jump to the three words, and what's actually exciting. It's not it's three words at its most Hewer form, but it's real just two things in relationship to each other. We learn language based on relative turns Ryan, this is a chair because it's not a table. Ryan. That's an apple because it's not an orange like we have these relations in our brain. And they're tracked by neuron neurons, and then that we have these pathways. So we see something we hear something. And our brain knows what that is like I can look and see I look at a tree right now. I know that if I say. Jay, golden arches. What do you think about McDonald's say Swoosh? What do you think about this just a word just a sound, and you have instantly? Like, you're probably thinking of the last pair Nike shoes that you had. Or maybe you're thinking about having a cheeseburger with pickles. That are extra pickles comes your mind just is going on its own course. So what you can do is you can take what people already know and mash them together in a in an analogy or metaphor type of way to to let people come up with their definition their brain. This is not a tagline and three words in is in its purest form, but it could be thing one of thing too. So let's think if you for example, if you if your business was if your podcast was a type of car, what type of car would it be? Probably would be something a little bit more luxury Alexis. All right. So think of my business model, I'm kind of like the Lexus for podcasters. Okay. Now, I don't know if that makes sense, but it doesn't have to in your brain instantly. You're like, oh, it's a little class. He's not to expensive, it's fishing. It's cool. It's just not if you were a cartoon character. What cartoon character? Would you be what you like your personality? Oh, I would be goofy. So think of me as like goofy. When it comes to media broadcasting or when it comes to podcasting or when it comes to something like that. So you can you can shortcut by using what people already know. So if I have a very short amount of time and people ask me what I do. I'm all about I'll just make something up and be like. Think of me as a as a captain of communication. Okay. Or that makes if I'm in. Here's here's the magic of it as if you start to think about what other people know like if you're talking to somebody, and you know, that there are car guy. You know, they're a car got you right right now. I do this all the time. I know you're gonna send in they're like roses three one three thing. I'll be like think about it as the think about it as the carburetor for your brand. Yeah. I get it. I totally get I do that all the time because I try to be relatable that people. So they understand exactly what I do. Because a lot of people don't really understand what podcasting can do for them. So I do, you know, if I'm talking to to a an astrophysicist, I say, you know, just or whatever just considered like the consider me like the vision when it comes to putting a podcast together. You don't have to worry about it. I'm the I'm the Bunsen burner. Due to your to your audio outreach or something like that. Right, right. The thing is that if you truly understand the problem the solution and the market, and you can articulate those in one sentence each not only can you combine them, but you can now take the next like elevated. I'm a human. I'm using my prefrontal cortex to be creative and think of analogy and whatnot. Like, what piece of a sailboat would I be or how does a mechanism within nuclear physics relate to podcasting and that taps into a deep deep deep knowledge of what people have and when they make those connections. They all of a sudden get it. And that is how you put your idea into other people's heads. And when they figured out you're like, you're so smart, you get it you. All right. So let me let me just throw this aren't though. And I'm not I'm not believe me. I'm not being critical at all or or being confrontational. But let me say this. I I play this game of Simon says, I'm a I've been a bar mitzvah DJ for the last thirty years in this. You know, I've done a twenty one. Bar mitzvahs. And I probably have played this game twenty five hundred tokens, I'm in master playing. Simon says somebody played Simon says with me they're like how the hell do you do that? And I'm like, I really don't know how I do that. I just do it in my body just goes, and I can play Simon says in and I get a thousand people out literally in sixty seconds. And they don't let me throw this year. What you are saying as I'm listening to it. And I'm hearing you as a guy. That's I mean, I've I'm college education. I'm fairly, you know, fairly educated. And I've I understand the new media space. I understand Mark marketing and branding. But there is a certain level at which begin to say, I don't know. I know this works for other people because I know that to teach other people how to do this. But do you see that? This is your genius is what comes to you so easily as you were telling me this. I'm like, I don't get it as well. As Ryan does now. Yes, I'm just hearing it for the first time, but at the same time, I keep thinking he he just has this is. Your genius, right? I mean, you get that. Right. So here's my answer to that. Is that in order to become better at blink? You must do. Blink more. Yeah. I get it. And I'm classically educated. I've got a masters. I've got to be as I've got my world experience. But the reason why I have quote, unquote, genius. When it comes to this element is because I do it all the time. All right. Simon says it's your Simon says. So so what's what's nice about? It though is that it is a simple structure. But because it's simple it go. The rabbit hole goes so deep, and I can literally talk with someone for probably hours just on clarifying the problem that they solved and there are whole businesses developed around elements of what are contained in this. But to in this this actually all started because I was working with college entrepreneurs first time entrepreneurs I was brought into UCI to start their first ever undergraduate entrepreneurship program, and when you're dealing with a first time entrepreneur, and you ask them the question. Tell me about your idea they will go on and on and on and on in. By just a matter of time. Like, I had another student group lineup behind like we got to cut this short little say look told me in the fused amount of words, what your ideas, and they would go on and on and on and on and be okay. Let's play a little game. How about you? Just tell me the problem that you're solving. What do you mean problem? Okay. Let's just start there. And then I this came after thousands of consultations like I was in China at the rise summit and asked me to be a a, you know, a a mentor or like speed mentor kind of thing. So you're dealing ten minutes at a time with people from around the world. And you say look I can either answer any questions or I can run you through this exercise. That's going to blow your mind and help you in your message. Okay. Let's do that and just blasting through it and just repetition repetition. But there are there are barriers and borders. Like, you can only tell me the problem that you solve only has to be one has to be bloody. Right. And you can't tell me what you do. So as you crack this and explore with this. You might get to a a six out of ten if ten was potential on the first couple tries. Then rising that with me, you might get to an eight or nine and then going out your customers and getting feedback and listening you might get to attend. And then all of a sudden it clicks in like, you become genius in explaining your own genius. And it truly is a practice matters. I practice the practice of practicing all the time. And people wonder why I'm so comfortable on stage is because I think that if you speak in public, you are a public speaker. And so every chance I have to speak as an at bat. And so why am I comfortable it's because I keep swinging the bat. Yes. This is my genius because I'm excited, and I can see some serious Neil moving in a serious short amount of time all evil work with marketers at a renown marketers. And then at the end like this is crazy. Nobody's ever pushed me beyond my initial answer. And so it's this challenge. It's pushing it's the five wise. Why is that your answer? Why is that your answer? And once you get to the core kind. No at the core what I'm doing. And I know the problem that I'm solving, and I know my market, and that's what makes me. That's what makes me dangerous. That's that's what makes me excited. That's where I know. And I can look in an opportunity and say is this on brand and doesn't make me money in those two questions will determine what opportunities I take. But if I don't have that clarity. I don't have that positioning. I'm going to take on more opportunity that I need to get spread too thin. I'm going to be stressed out. I'm going to do a lot of activity, but Nazia following nab dash so at when Michael Houlahan reached out to me and said, hey, I, you know, I have a buddy of mine, and we connected through either Email or Facebook or wherever we. Twitter wherever we connected, what was it? Because I I hear I hear what you do. And I, and I know that you have a bunch of different outlets for getting information for what you do. And I'm happy to send my community to Ryan villain in dot com. And the Ryan villain dot com forward slash three one three show. So that they can get more info and buy your book and. You know, I always look at it and say how do we boil this down to a single call to action? So that so that we can make this episode as successful for you as possible. And I know that you you're not pitching I hear that. I hate when people come on my show in pitch. You've shared some amazing information. I mean, you've shared some really delicate secrets that that I would love people in my community. And I would love myself to be able to take a deeper dive into listen, I'm gonna listen to the show. But what was the home? When you said I'm going to get on the show where any pike is what do you want to accomplish? When you come on a show like this what you're single called action here. Helping people understand that successful people are not successful. Because they're doing things that everybody else cannot do successful. People are doing what everyone can do. But not everyone does that could be waking up earlier to get to the gym that could be listening more often than speaking that could be being patient that can be taking pas that could be all these elements. So I want to demystify the fact that there's like a secret magic hack out there. The hand is putting in the work. And so if I were to some all of this in value that we've talked about here today is that one of the most important things you can understand is that people don't care. What you do? It sounds harsh. It is harsh. But as soon as you accept that. You're like, you're right. People care more about the problem that I saw. So let me focus my communication to tease out and identify who has the problem that I can solve and then help them to solve that problem. And that in itself, if people could take away would be amazing for me because I feel fulfilled when people can communicate better because if you have that missed opportunity when somebody asks you what you do and he talked for five minutes and fumble then you've lost that opportunity. But if you say less, listen more in engage people in conversations, then that is the basis of the magic formula that you can effectively move the needle, you can figure out your brand, you can become an influence or if you want to you can enjoy what you're doing and things become less of abroad. What's great about what you say? And and and as I'm listened to you speak. I mean, you you're hit a home run with everything that you're that you're talking about. I mean, it is so important to be able to boil down your message into the problem that you're solving rather than puking product because people don't like to hear this guy community. You know, we've stricken I've talked about this ad nauseam. People. Don't care really what you do. They just want to know what you can do for them. I know it sounds kind of cold. But but it's right. It in the reality of our the business that we're doing in the business Alvin criminal add this to it is that you don't have to come across as the best amazing perfect expert in the world. In fact, if you share with people your journey, and you share with people the reality the failures the ups and downs. But in particular, what you learn from it that is what gives you the experience in front of a fancy car or looking amazing on online is not what's important. It's about bringing people into it. So so so challenge yourself by sharing a photo that you don't look amazing in but be focused on the message show. Share some like if you're feeling down and out share. I'm not feeling great today. Anybody have any ideas to get your up? You will see the community jump in want the participate. So right. The biggest way to differentiate yourself is to ditch that act now have your Facebook live, but live your best life. And that's it. It's so much less stressful when you're trying to live life through a filter and people people at the end of the day in order to do any business. Whether they're nicer, not people have to know, you like, you entrust you and that first one, no, you if you're on Facebook filter all day long, people won't get to know you. And if you truly show who you are as a person, and you find that by combination of business and personal posts and insights and ensuring then people will get to know you, and then they will get to like you. And eventually they will trust you and that's a simple series for success. But if you don't let people get to know, you you really are then you're just going to be like some rattling noise in the background. That's because it sounds like you're in a pit. Crew. Now, I did that on purpose. Right. It's it's if you don't do this, then people are going to have to use a jackhammer to get to the real you. There we go. Yeah. Man. I I really appreciate your message. And I love how you shared it. And I'm going to be tuned into your show and listen to to the three one three show. So thanks for being here on the on the nice guys on business today. And I and I wish you well. And the rest of your day the rest of your schedule, man, I'm gonna go grab a jackhammer and just help these guys out, right? I'm being nice guy. Go will thanks Ryan for being here. Nice guy community. Never underestimate the power of nice against special. Thanks to Ryan. Thank you for sharing. All of your insights and being on the nice guys on business podcast today. And it's been a pleasure in shadow to my ginger brother from another mother. Mr Michael end, one of my one of the women who I respect just up there at the top list bunny Harvard, they are so great. So just shout out to them. Definitely. They are amazing people to aspire to be because they took the slow route to an overnight success. Yeah. You you're not kidding. They really did. So if you missed that episode just just go to my website, which is a nice guys on business dot com and type in barefoot wines and you'll find their episode number up on. The there, and I'm sure strict will do something maybe put it in the show notes says time some love at our I will hate in unloving. I love your. I was sold on the name your podcast, right? It's just nice guys and Princess, he's nice girls. But at the end of the day just be nice to people do good be kind. Come on. There's too much hatred and everything else out there. Do your part, man. You got it. One hundred percent, right. Steve o'brien. Go ahead and take us out of here. Call forty two forty two DJ Doug and record an intro for the show to here on a future. Episode say anything you want hill take my job getting sick of these guys. Anyway. We still rolling don't tell him. 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16: David and Bathsheba

The Bible Binge

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16: David and Bathsheba

"Hello and welcome to this very special episode of the bible bench. I'm one your host knocks McCoy joining me as always someone you won't ever catch sunbathing naked on those routes off his Jerry gold. So here's the deal. The bible, binge the show where we take stories from the bible and recap them as though they were movie book or t show these say maybe Booker t. Michel because that's what we usually do on our other show about pop culture. Podcast would not Jamie where we talk about popular culture sacrilege every Wednesday. And before we begin, we just wanna be clear that the bench has no agenda. The show is immense Vive angel- forever. Sarah, we just think that the bible Asom super dope stores and we wanna talk more about them and avoid those less bible scholar and more every man or woman. The conversation will take place. Episode is meant to be more casual, not out of disrespect, but in an effort to better understand the story to make sure you get every installment of the season head straight to where ever you listen to podcasts and subscribe to the bible bench plus don't forget follow along with us on Instagram and Twitter at the bible. Then finally, here at the bobbins we urge you to love others as you love yourself and share us on social media antagonise and that way we can hide you on the internet. Yeah, please do that. So listen, specifics is up. So if you wanna fall along as go, the main. Scripture, this will cover his second. Same eleven, and then second same twelve verses one through twenty five. So make sure you wanna if you wanna listen as we go all along there are Jamie. Let's make like a pervy king. David really focused in on this episode. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So we've spent. We've spent these other episodes really talking about a man after God's own heart, but don't forget the first part of that freezes a man. And and we like, listen, these three episodes have been height beast for David Wright. Awesome guy. He is that's over now. We're in the dark years. We're going into a dark season for David because he's human. I think there is something lovely about like, don't forget David. Although he is in the line of Jesus and he's a man after God's heart, and he's a keying any rules for many years. At the same time, he is human and flawed, and it's gonna make some huge mistakes. I feel like this when a lot of people know this story David ambassador because I like even if I had not known that I would have known it because I feel like every dramatic TV show from the 'oughts uses Leonard Cohen. Song. Hallelujah, when doctors are dying or people are having. Is this the Jeff Buckley's version? Yes. So like Jeff, Buckley slow one. Yeah, that's slow. And and so I mean, 'cause right, like while your faith was strong, but you needed proof, you saw her bathing on the roof. If that doesn't prep me for motion, physical, death, Jamie, I don't know what does. Well, I do like that. It's a song you use when things are going awry and TV show, and it's perfect. This is when things are right for David listen for. So for me at a little different experience, I remember the story from that song, but from being a Sunday school as most boys, my job think, well, it's told there's a super high lady bay the naked on top of that got our attentions and we were like, I'm sorry what now. Wow. Did this go down this to my life? How can I fly to my life and who I am as a person. Go ahead. Keep talking. It is the weird. It's a weird like VS story. It's not the one that you're like. Let's put this on the felt board while we eat cookies and drink Kool-Aid, it's not one. I'm just saying, if you are a kid and you get the Abraham, almost murders, Isaac, Sodom and Gomorrah. Gotta viscera inflames and then there's a lady bay the naked on a roof. It's like this is a wild bible story time. Like knows crazy guy. It is. It is. Okay. So let's before gets the story. Why don't we? Let's remind people. I think the only holdover for cast is king David, but we've got some new people to welcome to the phrase when we talk about them a little. That's right. So in our lesson we ended with solid Jonathan had died. David was super bummed about that. He did mourn. And so right now we have this kind of mystery right solace dead. So who is going to be keying and assume that this is going to clear the way for David because he was anointed king by Samuel. And so we all remember that. So it seems like this is going to be fine except saw had assigned name, ishbej all who wanted to being king to and David. At this point, he's king of Judah. Judah, and so they just go to battle and no surprise. David who's rolling good at the soldiering and leading the soldiers does be by and just as a note Abner if you remember Abner who saw asked, who's that guy who just hit that Goliath guy. So Abner weirdly enough in a twist of eight has gone to team bile, and so he has stuck with the family with Saul and is fighting against David. And that will play a role as we learned some new characters in this story. And so they about ends up. He beats him and later like bio, he gets beheaded. So that's one thing and guess who's had gets brought to David. Look, we brought you ahead so there's all these heads like lying around cool one to add to my collection. Thank God. Thank you so much. And so he ends up beating a lot of enemies of Israel, like ammonites, those teams airmen's the Mobike and he actually does when really cool thing, which he actually is able to bring the ark of the covenant in. To Jerusalem, which was a big big deal. And he is so excited about being able to accomplish his task that he does famously dance in front of the art in front of God. And for some reason, Southern Baptists, we're like, still not cool. Don't like it. No dance, not even king. David is this, where is this? Where? What's her name? Shame. So this is where mechalle how his wife who is like, you're embarrassing me not even good at dancing. You have no rhythm. And he's like, remember when he did that body pillow made of nothing and look stupid. Well, you're terrible too. So I'm a good dancer and you can't make things out of here. So shut up, get out enough as well. Truly, God does be like Mikhail, no kids ever. So. They will learn about her later. She does get minus. She's now the doesn't work out now. So just a, you know, who is still playing in the story because it's actually many years later. So David famously becomes king at thirty. He ends up becoming king of all of Israel. Israel at about thirty seven years old. He builds the palace over the next ten years. He defeats obviously several enemies and his kingdom is established at about age forty, seven, and that is where we find David. Now he has seven what this when he would have had about six wives. A bunch of kids we learned in I chronicles three that later if you wanna know he has his nineteen sons by various women and the one daughter taymor who will meet in our next episode. So playing David again is Leonardo DiCaprio, and I feel like this is where we've really aged him into the part. Yes, because if Goliath David was Titanic, Leonardo DiCaprio. And Saul fighting saw was like catch me if you can lean. We're very much in the eye wear cargo shorts and crocks and I hang out with models and it just doesn't matter. And it makes sense because we are not. I finally got that Oscar. David finally became keying like they're living their lives like every the world is there always Stor. We are in the heat chick era of both. That is right. That is so so again, Selena cabs reprising David talks to me about, do you wanna go Joe app? I yes, let's do Joe. So Joe is one of David's nephews. We Ridgely know about him from some chapters previous to this because he and his brothers were pursuing. Abner wants by l. was defeated their like we've gone get Abner and Abner who's really good at being chased and like not getting caught. He actually over his shoulder is like, hey, guys, you want to chase somebody else. I'm I'm really good at this jobs. Brother was like, I'm on, get you. Well, he doesn't and and Abner murders. Joe apps, brother and job doesn't take too kindly to that. And so they later pursue their inner raid. David, let's Abner getaway because he's look, we're the best. Let's not just murder. People to murder. Me will just because we can. Let's Abner getaway and job like secretly as like, oh, I know, see, that's the disconnect because a lot of things I read, it talked about how avenue was a super noble guy. He enter combat with jobs, brother and twice, had bested him. It was like, if you do this again, I will murder. You and jobs brother went after him and Abner. Like I just said, I wanna murder. You have to murder you now any murdered them. And like he handles his business and upright way, but Joab doesn't like it like that anyways to venture. And that's the first little glimpse at the heart of Joab and what a fascinating character is. No, for sure because David goes, no, let him go and he's like, okay, cool. I'm just gonna. Go speak with him privately, super fast with the sword, and that's not a big deal. And he does speak privately with Abner and stabs at murders him. And so he's like a brother of edged. And then David desma a lot of time in that chapter going, hey, guys, I didn't kill Admiral because a lot of the people still really loved Abner because he had been there military leader and he was like, all those Joab not me now Joa by ammo and keep around because he really good at killing, and we're going to be needing that skill set in the future. But do note for the record. Let me say the seventeen times job killed him. I didn't kill him like I didn't order that. And that is semantic of the relationship and the connection they seem to have. David seems to like having people around the, we'll do the dirty work and do stuff. David doesn't really wanna do. This just isn't as time to have a real big big conversation Joab, but he's such he's, he is d- most interesting character. So interesting because when David has to deny that he ordered Joab to do this. David goes job with that. I'm gonna keep your around, but do note for the record that someone your family will always have leprosy or. Hungary or dime addle just for all, look and like Davis on his deathbed. And the last thing he's telling Solomon, he's like, I'm dying. I love you. Also make sure you kill Joe out that guy's dangerous. Any dies. That's the hallmark of a very dangerous person. He co ops your speech at the end of your life because job is the quintessential frenemy like when's essential? Right? The first friend of me on records. So for me, this is a bit of a niece casting, but it's really perfect if you've seen the show to me Joab is the quintessential the forerunner of the little finger character on game. And if you're Christian and you haven't seen game with thrones wink at totally get it. I understand what you're saying. You've never seen that show. You'll never watch. Wink, get it. But if you have seen it, you know exactly what I'm talking about a schemer who's very capable. Very good scheming in a diabolical way that is very much Joab in this story. No, for sure. That's a good one. I mean, next in our cast is going to be Nathan. Nathan. In the story. We've already seen him also earlier in second Samuel, he is a prophet. So it's very similar in the role that Samuel was his name means gift from God. He was the one that when David was trying to figure out like, you know what the ark of the covenant needs a really nice house because it doesn't seem fair that I'm living in a palace and the ark is in a tent that seems unfair. God needs to be because the ark of the covenant is holding the presence of God. So it's like this, really, we need to get like a really nice marble something for them, and Nathan comes as no. God said, no, he's good in the tent. He wants you to live in the nice house and he's actually like not only does he not need you to build him a temple that somebody else in your family, we'll to temple, but he's like building a house for you. And by that he means dynasty so so Nathan's kind of speaking wisdom in the same way that Cemil was doing that for Saul. So so when I hear Nathan, when I read him specifically in the story, you know, he's not. I think even with same, there was a big kind of context. There's a big tail to his life and ministry, right? He like he impact. Nothing. Nathan didn't, but his inclusion, the story. There's not a huge wake that he leaves, right. So kind of guy, no-frills just kinda comes in in the story. He's like when when he's confronting David about a sin, he's not even like, hey, like what's going on house life. So gotta talk to you about about thing. He just launches into parable that's going to bus David, right? So this is a no nonsense kind of guy, which is why I think Wilford Brindley is the perfect Nathan in the store over Brindley just wants to tell you about diabetes and get out getting get out and similarly Nathan's like, hey, you did bad things and some bad things we're going to happen now. Gotta go because I'm Nathan and like I got stuff to do so by now. That's perfect. Wilford is a perfect casting. Okay. Next in the story is your riot. Now you riot whose name means God is my light. He is a soldier in David's army and not just any soldier. David had this group of men called David's mighty men which is at one point is like the thirty seven best fighters later becomes a group of eighty. But these are like the sea. He'll team of the military. These are the best of the best there talked about in Samuel infrasonic and they've been loyal followers have him for a really long time. Many of these mighty men have been with David since he was trying to escape solve for all those many years. And so many people believe that your idea who was one of these mighty men is really close today vid and not only close like emotionally, like we've been through so much together. Dude, we're Bros. like bromance, but he also lives next door tem, so that's how close they are that he has some around and he's still doing about for him still as they go out. These are not just friends. These are bro skis. That's right to the max. Okay. Like they live next door each other very close. Think of your, I think of a resolute, honorable, a guy, not not big in the fanfare. Not a big razzle-dazzle, razzmatazz kind of guy. He's like, I'm here to fight. I'm here to murder. We're buds you Colonel on me. I'm not gonna say a lot of words, right. We're cool. You can. No, you can rely on me. So that's why I have cast Jonkers Inskeep thirteen hours, Jack Ryan stuff like a quiet place, right? Just the guy who's trying to do the right thing and do as well and has. Absolutely right. I get shot your qualification. That's mine. His hair has been figured out. He's learned his way. He's married Emily blunt, and like figured out his life. So see, I think I think he has integrity apps. You're going physical apps, which I don't wanna like Mike, a friend, you're going down the king David on the rooftop. I know why can't we have both? Can't we have listened after God's own heart who's all human. This is what it is. Okay. And next, our quintessential other protagonists in our story is of course Bethsheba. She is married to your IRA. John Curzon ski. Her name means. Now here's how you know guys. If you're thinking about naming your kids, people snakes from the bible. Let me give you some pro tips on what names to skip when their name means oath. Sure. Yeah, that's great. But if their name means voluptuous I'm to magnum like are you ready for your baby to be voluptuous? I don't think you are. You don't want that. You don't want wiring that live. Yes. And she's married to your right? And she does of course live next door to king David king David and reading commentaries that and we'll see it in the text like it wasn't like, oh, who's that? I've never never noticed this person before. This is someone who has been held in some renown primarily. It would read from the lady people in the world. They're like that she's hot. So everyone understood that this is a very, very good. Good-looking voluptuous. I guess we could say, persons we can't. I feel like the casting and feel like you'll hear this and you'll think, oh, I don't know how to fill that. But I think as we get to the character about Sheba, there's a complicating factor that will impact a little bit, which is why I really liked the idea of Kim Kardashian being. Oh controversial. It feels like we've moved away from actors and we're just going with crazy people. Here's the thing she is up choice. Listen, true. There's nothing to be said for you. Gonna look twice if Kim Kardashian is in the roof next door, your subdivision and she bathing on it, like you are going to look twice and you're gonna owe, and what is what is happening to my house right now in this world? Plus I will say, I think it will, as you said, we'll get into the tax by she is a complicated character. It's complicated. We don't know her motivations. We don't, but we do know the, we do know the culture she's that she's in and that somebody might need to make lemonade from lemons, and nobody has done that in a more creative in weird way than Kim Kardashian. Quick bricks. Talk about one of our mazing sponsors Belay. Are you looking for a new job? Are you frustrated by the lack of options? You shouldn't have to choose between a traditional job and your personal life. Belabor opportunities for talented, proven professionals to work from anywhere, giving them greater freedom in their life and work. We're at the podcast media group. 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So we can kind of start on Paxil, miscast, incisions, and motivations. So we're starting in second Samuel, chapter eleven, and I'll go ahead and kick it off. So it says in the spring of this year in the spring of the year, the time when kings out to Davidson Joab in the service with him and all Israel, and they ravaged the nights and besiege Rabah David remained at room. So all this is really saying is this is springtime. This is when warring gets back Roland because it's not cold winter, you can you the logistics of funding a military operation or are much easier and the ammonites, as we know or like the Michael Myers of the bible, they won't go away. You gotta keep fighting them no matter. They're always popping up and you've got to be killing them. Okay, so, but it's important to know David remained a Jerusalem that's a bit of departure because normally, like you said, he's good a warring, lex to get his war on, likes to go fight. Not. He said, now he's trust. Part of that is trust in. Joab part of it is like, you know what? I've earned this. I'm gonna wear some cargo shorts and crocks and just kind of kickback. See what's up here. Okay. Verse two, it happened late one afternoon when David arose from his couch. I was walking on the roof of the kings house and they saw from the roof, a woman bathing. The woman's very beautiful and Davidson inquired about the woman. And one said is not this bass Sheba, the daughter of illion, the wife of your of the Hittite. So like you said, you're the Hittite one of David's mighty men. I know. I don't know this one hundred percents who Ilian is a song commenters might be a little bit of dispute on who he is, but from what I've read in a couple different places. Helium is also one of David's mighty men. This is less day would be like, I've never seen this person before who who is this? David probably has a pretty good idea who this person is because that's too bro skis who are very important to him live in somewhat close proximity. Right? And so when it says inquired about the woman, it's not really, who is that. What's our situation a, right, right. Although, you do know her situation because you do she's and I love that the people who asking you're like, you know, best Sheba, you know the daughter of and if she if it is Ilian that's one of his mighty men. That's also her grandfather who will play more. So in later in the season about David, her grandfather would be a hit. The foul and the foul is going to be a problem for David later on. So these are these are all threads that are really important in the bigger picture. Just true for all of our lives, right? Like nothing is just contained within itself. And I think that's not it's not a criticism of early bible stories or early biblical conversations that were having that's not a krizner's of the church. I think sometimes we're learning about the bible. We forget that these are people with entanglements and relatives and motivations, and they're not just a guy who sees a naked lady. There's so much more. We're going into it, which is interesting, which is why I like that. You brought up that like, remember we don't have like Benach. Yours are telescopes are drones, video cameras, like Davis control, and this has to be lady pretty close if David seeing her right, which does indicate that he's friendly with her family because why would you if you're the king, would you let someone that close unless you're super tight with them, right? Like which he is. So I four David sent messengers and took her and she came to him and he lay with her. That means the sex Ana says. Now she had been purifying herself from her unclean nece than she returned her house and the woman conceived and she sent David, I am pregnant. So there's a lot here is a lot back. So I just on the front end, it is important. The reason they reference that she was purifying herself from our cleanness, it. That means husbands at battle. She's not pregnant by him. Right, right. So that's the one thing that's really important note that she's not pregnant by him. If you want to read into a more Kim Kardashian. Sheehan kind of character trait of bass Sheba. You could also read that as she might be more fertile at this moment and knowing she's more fertile. She might be showcasing it this that that's a more. Traditionally, Vilnai's ising view a bash sheep. I think that's not really the view I have right, but it is there's this is a very complicated character. We want to create a lot of context for her, so it's not just like, oh, she was naked on rooftop David, like had no choice. But because I was in a girls youth retrea when I was young and I had a leader say to us like shared the story and said, this is why modest is hottest. They that if Bethsheba hadn't been naked, all of this wouldn't have gone awry. And at the time I was like, okay, like I need to make sure everything all my bits are covered, you know, and then spent a lot of time going, oh, wait what? I don't know. So it is a complicated side because the question is, did she seduced him? Did he power rape her more? Is there like a low less gross? Third option later I can. I is there a second option to the verbiage power rape because I sound like a like a mad. Like it is, but that's unfortunately what an especially in the day and age where we're recapping this, we're in a world where there is a lot of question about, does someone with power win? They seduce someone is there, is there an element of assault to it? Because did that woman really have a choice to consent? Because like for example, there's a commentator, Richard Davidson who put it this way. He said, just as intercourse between adult and a minor, even consenting minor is today term statutory rape. So the intercourse between David and his subject Bethsheba even if she under the psychological pressure of one empower over her acquiesced to the intercourse is understood in biblical law. And so presented in this narrative to be a case of rape. What today we call power and the victimize are not the victim is held accountable in quite m- is definitely rape. I don't like the verbiage power rate at all, but it's true like you're right it it it a hundred. You're going to be like, no, I'm busy busy. Sorry, be with him real quick. Can I just get your. Oh, can I just bar your phone for fast, but not not to put too finer of a point on your anecdote about youth group are youth group? We had the same thing. Girls couldn't go down to the altar during like the end of the message time, because if they been over to pray, their shirt might come up and it might show the small their back and it's it was it's much more. It was much more. It had to them much more difficult for teenage girls to be like. So all I exist as this thing for guys. Right? So on a much smaller, lower case level, it was. It was difficult for me because it like the presumption was like if I see a little bit skin alternate until like a frequent where wolf of of one sex and I just can't control myself and that wasn't necessarily true. So it was like it was these two different things that were suggesting different things about who we are as people in, but it. But it goes back to. You are. Women are responsible not just for themselves, but for the actions of meant to them. I know that's gracious, which is dumb, which is dumb. And Emily think of Basha who's just like, look, you guys because of eve. I'm just trying to take my period bath. Can we just let me take shish Melissa and get myself back together for the next twenty eight days for the love of all that is holy. And you know, I read a commentary that said, it's the customer in the east. It's it's, it's a. Almost like a social mores that if they, you are not to look upon your neighbors houses because this is where things like that happened. So to do that is a mis appropriation of power to go on the roof right to look especially for David who probably had the tallest pow. The palace looked over everybody, right? So to go up there and look down and look in and see the vulnerability. People that's less on indictment on bass Sheba and more David doing something he shouldn't have been doing it right place. Right. So so to continue versus Sedav similar to Joab Simi riot hits, I enjoy Saint you riots David when dry Canaan, David Hale's was on, how's the war stuff you're warring, right? Is the cool or is it not cool? Like what do you think about that then? Davis had Araya so you know what? Here's I wanted to his wanted to go down your house and wash your feet and your I went out of kings house and they're followed him a present from the king. Now, if you know anything about biblical stuff, which I didn't until we did this episode wash your feet is bible. Talk for go lay with your wife, which is. Bible talk for you need to have the sex with your wife, right? So you're right. Got the message of what's up what's going on. Now I read. I don't know if you saw this and a lot of commentaries. Other indications like look again. So when David goes to see Bethsheba, he doesn't instant message her he, he tells the person to tell person to tell person and go get Sheba, right? So many people, many servants knew what was going on now. So the idea that you're ri-. Didn't have some inkling of a rumor that was going on. It's not unheard of to think he knew what was going on here. He's a savvy guy. How do you? What do you? What's your interpretation? Do you think your I was like, because the portrayal he's a resolute dude, who's honoring his vows? Or is he resolute dude, who's like? I know what you probably did. I'm not gonna make the for you. Well, because right because the idea is that David is trying to be like, hey, go wash, you wash your feet so that you'll be the daddy to that baby and nobody no controversy, right? Like they won't be suspicious and nothing bad will happen to bash she. But because of that because again, all of this, everything bad's going to happen to bash Sheba comes out like, but I mean, like part of me likes the idea that he knew and that he was a mighty man who goes, I'm a mighty man of the grave. I'm not going to get you out of this. You know, this was wrong. This was my wife. I really love her like, this is ridiculous. I was at battle for you for God. We're doing, we're, we're going to a higher calling. We're all fighting for a higher calling. And you've made this about something horrible. And so there's really likes the idea that he's like, oh, no, I'm gonna. I'm actually going to sleep at your door because that's how committed to you. You do canoe lay is very passive, aggressive move. I enjoy it. So you're ri- slept at the door of the kings. House were with all the servants of Lord did not go down to his house when they told David your, I didn't go to house, you know, Davis said, so have you not come from jury? Why did you not go to your house and your rice today? The arc in Israel and Judah dwelling and my Lord Joab and the service of my Lord or camping in an open field. She'll then go to my house to eat and drink in live with my wife as you live and as your soul lives. I will not do this thing than Davis had Terai ura. Okay, remain here today also tomorrow, Cindy back. So you're I remained in Jerusalem that day and the next I don't know when I read that. I think you're Ryan knows guys like your the worst. I know trying to do. I'm not gonna do it. You're gonna sit with this and I'm gonna. I'm actually gonna sleep at your door. Make it really hurt for you. Can you not? You can't sleep with my wife while I'm here because I'm outside your door. You can't even go get her and bring her here. Double check, mate king. What's. And I like that. Here's what I think David goes. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Saying about link. Okay. So he won't do it. If I tell him to do it and I am the king and that's not working because and then he's telling me like, like you said, he's making like check mating back like, oh no, the arc, if God can't be washing his feet, then I can't wash my feet like everybody's got to be able to wash their feet or no one can wash their feet. So noble. It's so annoying. You know what shots, let's do shots. We'll make everybody obey my orders. I confident verse thirteen. David invites him any aid, his presence in drinks. He made riot drunk and in the evening, he went out to lie on his couch with the servants of Lord, but he didn't go down to house. So David, no doubt sees this and he's like, oh, I can't. I can't even get him to drunk washes feet. Like this is so annoying. This guy. So verse fourteen David things escalate quickly because David rights letter to Joab incentive by the hand of your riot and in the letter, he says, set your in the forefront of the hardest fighting and drawback from and they may struck down and die in his job was besieging the city. He assigned you right to the place where he knew there. There were value men and the medicine. He came out and follow Joab and some of the servants of David among the people fell. You ride the Hittite also died because he wouldn't sleep with his wife day was like, well, planned, see you gotta die. I guess the murdering, not even you gotta die. Like I love the David goes instead of just writing a letter. To show up and saying, hey, you're Ryan is so good at the fighting. He's been here and just telling me about all of his like like strategy and stuff. I think you should put him in front and let him lead cooled. Thanks and let it be that. No, it's just like, look. Cigarette your. So if you put him in the front and then have everybody else will buy. That'd be great. And by the way I've written this letter and I'm handing it to rot and he's actually going to win this delivery that orders to Utah app. Cool. Cool. He's like diabolical. I know, right? I've gotta liking this evil thing, not a lot, but a little little. Why do think that speaks to? I don't think Joab needed that context because I think when you go to do bad things with bad people, you don't need the context of like, well, this will just be like, never do. This is like look Joab. No, you know what's up. You always do this. I need this guy dead. Can you handle that for me? Yes or no, and Joab joy handles for me. So I and I read that. So you gotta remember, this is this isn't a fight. This is a siege, so the armies of Israel, they're just surrounding Raba and there's like, we're gonna. Wait you out until you're starving, and you're thirsty and you surrender. But then randomly because David, there's a certain contingent that goes yolo up against the wall and amnio archers. Fire's EROs down and kill all these people in an all total. What I read was eighteen men died not just riot eighteen. Innocent dudes died because David had to cover this thing up and you start to think about how compounding the sin is and how extensive the cover up is so. And there's another interesting thing about Joab read from British Rabbi, Jonathan imaginary, I says that if you if you notice your first job, not David as my Lord inst because everyone recognized that Joab was a kingmaker who is rootless and would dispatch his own military rivals like Abner and a Massa. And like we said, he so sufficiently powerful that David on his deathbed, make sure to tell solvent you have to kill this guy or he will be the end of you. So this is not this. This is not a to read it as David manipulating Joab. It's not an accurate reading. It's a, you're a henchman of bad things, and I need to go to you to do this bad thing. So verse twenty five said to the messenger. Thus, so you say to Joab, do not let this matter just please you for the sore devours now one and now another strengthener tag city and overthrowing encourage him. Verse twenty six. When the wife of your, I heard that you Ryan, her husband was dead. She lamented over her husband and when the morning was over Davidson and brought her to his house, and she became his wife and bore him a son. In the last sentence of this chapter is truly chilling. But the thing that David had done displeased, the Lord right door knob factored into this until then. But you knew he loo. Problem knocks the problem. The Lord had not the actor into this and we know him out things go quite easy, and he doesn't like how you handle the David. 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So sending the profit to David and they came to him and said, there were two men in a certain city, the one rich and the other poor, the rich man had very many FOX and hurts. But the poor man had nothing, but one little you lamb which he had bought. He brought it up and it grew up with him and with his kids, and he used to eat of his morsel and drink from his Cup, and mine is arms and it was like a daughter to him. Now they're came a traveler, the rich man, and he was unwilling to take one of his own flock and heard to prepare for the guest who had come to him. But he took the poor man's lamb and prepared it for the man who had come to him. Him, I five then David anger at this story that Nathan seems to be randomly telling him was greatly kindled against the man. And he said to Nathan as the Lord lives. The man who has done this deserves to die and he shall restore the lamb fourfold because he did this thing and because he had no pity. So they've real fired up about the stories like he's so fired up and I love the Nathan just door swings open. Nathan walks in and starts telling the story and also even Sierra another random sore that's untethered to my life at all. This has nothing to do with me and even know what's going on. Everything is great. I have a baby, but I do think in this part of what I read, you could read this as the Lord revealed this to Nathan. What was going on to David or what was probably actually going on is that David is so sloppy and his cover up. Again, he's dispatching letters to people in asking people to bring in the everybody knew about this that this was not even really a room at this point. It was kind of understood knowledge that David had done this to your Ryan with bass Sheba? Yeah, Nathan just coming and going. It's time for a parable. And so in verse seven. David. So angry Nathan today. Did you are that man thus says the Lord the God of Israel. I wanted you king over Israel and I delivered you out of the hand of Saul, and I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms gave you the house of Israel and of shooter. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more. Why have you despised the word of the Lord to do what is evil in his sight? You have struck down your riot a Hittite with the sword and have taken his wife to be your wife and killed him with the sort of ammonites. Ted. Now, therefore the sword shall never depart from your house because you have despise me and have taken the wife of your ri- the Hittite to be your wife thus says the Lord, behold, I will raise up evil against you out of your own house, and I will take your wives before your eyes and give him to your neighbor spoiler not a neighbor and he shall I with your wives in the side of the sun for you, did it secretly. I will do this thing before all Israel and before the sun and David said today. Nathan, I have send against the Lord. So, yeah, like so if I'm not big into verbal memes, but this is a like the the mean for Mr. crabs from SpongeBob when his mind gets blown and he's like, also what now. We on the story. You talk about me this whole time. Okay. Okay. Well. No, I'm not the lamb. This is bad for me. This is like an Shamlan movie right now I get. I don't like this and this monologue that Nathan like and says like, oh, this is what God's word for you by the way. Evil is here to stay and like your family's gonna turn against you, your neighbors, but not your neighbors because it's still gonna be your family are going to sleep with your wives, and it's going to all be bad. It's all going to be bad. So like that the specific everything will broom Lee said, yes, very troubling. Right for right. And I think I always want to feel like there's room struggle with stuff, especially in the bible, right? Like to take off like, I'm I'm in Sunday school and be like, okay, as a reader, I struggle with some of this. So for me, the part I struggle with here is like there's that and this is kind of a theme in bio stores. There's a centrality of male characters in their missteps and them doing that. But the bulk of the punishment is shouldered by other characters. When I see that when I see like a a prophesying your wives, they're gonna be giving your neighbors and have sex with like in the middle of the cold sack in the middle of the day, like where you live like that sucks. I think like there's there's something about that. I think what about them? They didn't do any of this. They're just kind of part of the thing and you did this bad thing, and now they're gonna be victimized by it, but I know I know there's part of your as a person, power, your consequences, your bad decisions have consequence for other people, but they're still like an. Immediacy to you. That's like you need to bear those conflicts is going to bear the consequences. He like is his wife. I mean, those are really, truly at least three of those women. He really does love so like all of them, but I do like he's like, we'll see later. He's still on the hunt for Macau. Arshi. She's still here. We're she. I like her a lot, but like he is going to suffer the consequences. But I think that's the important thing to remember is that the fact that my badge wages will impact other people is a punishment on me like the very fact that this reaches out and touches other people for most of us. We don't want that to be. I mean, I see in my own life where I've made bad decisions and then I do see how it impacts of the people. It is unfortunate that it it feels like they're innocent in this, but we know from episode, one of season one, none of us are innocent and so it's just sad that it feels like we shouldn't the consequences just be limited to me, but that's just not how the world works were all connected. We're all in relationship with each other and the. Fact that win. This hurts other people. It does hurt me. It really does impact. Yes, completely. I think there's something there's a better conversation with someone who smarter than me to have about like the motif of male characters playing chicken with God and then being punished for it a little bit. But not as much because I think in a lot of ways, especially Christina, we're still struggling with the disconnect of men in power and how their consequences should be handled. Like specifically in the church, feels like the shortcomings, a powerful men are tolerated because of their influence or Bility's to reach others or the bigger picture. Right. And I think specifically day was like, there's a bigger picture play here. There's people need to come after him. Literally, Jesus needs to come from him. So we can't like so God like I'm gonna kill you because I got stuff I gotta do through even though you've screwed this up. I'm not gonna screw this up for humanity, and I understand that. But I think in a lot of ways, so we were disorient more like this. Why pastor can be like, yes, I had an appropriation ship with this lady, but I am a passer. I'm doing a great thing. So can we just look away from that and like not really like making have to pay the full toll for that? Let's let this other person have to pay for that. And that's it's, it feels like sometimes it can be a bad precedent, you know? And that's when I read this. I think the kid who the baby who dies maybe doing the why didn't do anything. Why did they have to pay that price? And that l. I think anything, it's a fair criticism of just the process. I've it and I think it's one of those things where we just like we just don't understand necessarily ever get the full picture here. I do think at the same time that like there is a component of like there's part of me that wants like God to go and you get scurvy just like, and you're going to have it forever. That's how it is. But I think at the same time, like if you think back to the episode where we talked about Miryam an errand as like she spent a week because she did a very bad thing and you had a we, she had leprosy for a week, and then it was like, okay, or was it a month? She had leprosy for a. Madam and then it was done and be leprosy for any amount of time sucks so there. But I think for her and for him, I think there is like the concerts different what we do know about David because we learned this from every single song rights, right and how he laments in a cave. He sees every bad decision that he makes it tortures him. It's it stays with him in a way that really does break him. So it's almost like just good because you power rape, somebody got eighteen people, murdered my man. It should haunt you. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't do that for everybody. And I think at, I'm not saying that just because he has other good things about him and therefore these things should be word that's not the case, but I think we do. We are as a people were really guilty of looking at our own lives and going, I did a bad thing so I can never do good thing. So I think that's a dangerous. That's a dangerous precedent to go a whole as he did about thing, then David's life is over. This is it. And now it is. It does seem odd at time. That God decides will that guy did about thing? He's beheaded and that guy, but it's because God's picture that I can't see. He sees a bigger picture and I don't have to understand that or explain that and feel at ease with the way these stories are going. It doesn't mean that I can't question it or wonder or ask questions, but at the same time, I know that God sees things that I cannot see. Yes. So I think if you read that, if you listen, if you see that you have that same stroke, it's okay. Ville this match up. But I think in the in the larger, if you do believe in the tapestry of God's got a plan and God's got a purpose in a long game, he's playing, you can find hoping sauce. So okay, continue. Sorry, verse thirteen continues and says, and today the Lord also has put away your San, you shall not die. Nevertheless. Because by this deed, you have utterly scorned, the Lord, the child who is born to you, shall die for fifteen. The Nathan went to his house. It's like Wilfred. Brownlee was like, I gotta get an up like a lot down and the Lord of of the child that you're as wife board of David and he became sick. David therefore sought God. I'm half the child David facet. So he went in any laid on the ground all night. He did the things that normally happen after a child dies. Because really, he's already been told very clearly how this is going to go name them and said, he's going to die, but he does all of the things kind of really seek, maybe that God would change his mind, but he sits on the side. The elders come by and they're like, well, enough neatly, the kid sick. What's going on. And then the child does die and the same elders sitting around, they're like the child and David's like, why are you whispering about did the diet and they're like, yeah, you're instead. And he's like, okay, and he gets up and he goes to eat and they're like, wait way. We wait doing this backwards. David. The standard morning, seven days everybody come on. Let's get onboard and we understand this supposed to work and he said, wallet, verse twenty two while the child was still alive. Fasted and wept. For I said, who knows whether the Lord will be gracious to me that the child may live, but now he's dead. Why should I asked? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me. Then David comforters wife Sheba and went into her lay with her and she bore a son and he called his name Solomon and the Lord loved him and sent a message by Nathan, the prophet. So he called his name Jedidiah because of the Lord, and that is a kid that's gonna do some things set rights, right? Always got has a good habit of saving a bad situation somehow making it better. Bertha Salman does. I don't. I don't know why that verse twenty three always breaks me up. I'll go to him, but he will not return to. It's I don't. I don't know what it is about that, but no, no, what it is about it, but it's like it's in the same time. It's the. The saddest, like it's all this grief wrapped up into like he, he cannot return to me, but it's the hope of I will go to him. It's not the end. I will see that child again, and it's there's a part of me that's always been sat in the story that that child didn't have a name, and even Solomon is the the name. Solomon is very similar to a Hebrew word that means replacement. And there's, there's a sadness and grief they're like, was that the sun that was supposed to do all the great things. Solomon was that Solomon ends up doing. There's just a real sadness there of like, and again, it goes back to you, like you said, all the David could have prevented all of this, like this is all because of David's choices. Now, what happens next while we will find out in the next episode and guys, let me preface this by it is the least wildflowers field up sewed because guess what? God told us what's going to happen. Neighbors are gonna sleep with your wives. Well, and our next episode, the neighbors sleep with the wives. Menem all all hell breaks loose in the in the palace with David and all the children and all the things. Everything goes awry. It is maybe one of the most heartbreaking stories in the bible look forward to that. But we'll keep it on me. We'll keep it. We'll just, you know, it'll be bouncy. We'll have music behind it the whole time. That's right. That'll be layer. Don't you fret. Okay. So before we wrap up when we talk about our superlatives Jimmy gimme your most valuable bible person. So I'm the story. I am actually going to give it to Nathan. I liked that Nathan brings in a profit. Someone who like it's almost like he is so wise and so gentle with David in the fact that we do know that David recognizes very quickly that he he's done a horrible thing. I like to think that David knew he was doing about thing, the whole Tom, and he was like me and he's like, I can fix it. I can fix it. I just never can fix it and he never can get it together. And I like that Nathan comes on in like, here's the deal you did. You did about thing and didn't like like you're such an idiot, like he didn't condescend to him. He didn't say, why are you the worst, the worst. He was like, look, here's the thing you did about thing and you're going to get punished for it. And when he says, I've sinned against Lord, they think is you have got us good and he's forgiven. You that and you're not gonna die. And I just love that unique because I think we all need people in our lives who are like, yes, you've done. This is your situation is awful, fix it, then the same way, like if you're greeting and somebody comes in and gives look, you're going to need dishes. Here's a casserole. Let's get business. Like I just think those people are so valuable in life. And I definitely think they're valuable in the story. Now this great because I think sometimes we can give ourselves a foam oceans of like, maybe we wanna feel the shame. Yeah, because it or replace the immediacy of the reality we're experiencing or we want someone to make us feel better. He didn't do any of those like, hey, you sucked. This was not good, bad things going to happen. I gotta go by and then there's there's a, there's a charity in that. It really is really, really is. So who's your the BP Amasi Araya I just I like I like his vibe. I like how he is noble resolute. He whether he knew it or not, I choose to believe he knew kind of his his inability. To give David the cop out he wanted was gonna lead to his death. I think he did that with nobility of like, look, you might of made some bad sessions almost true to my code and things I promise you going to do, whether at least my death, I don't know probably shouldn't have been Kim Kardashian the first place because we're very mismatched. She's much more than I am. But look, that's my thing. So whatever. Also, I like I always always a big fan of someone name the blank like, yes, I would love to be knocks the great. I think I, if you ever meet someone like that, I think that's amazing. So the fact that he's, you're ri- the Hittite, like in even when you go back like this is a person who was probably a resident of the area, Israelites were told to kill all of them off, but he didn't. His family. His ancestors didn't get killed off either because they were really tough and they acclimated or because they were like, no, I'll I'll worship this. God worship your God. I like what he's about even like his lineage. I, it suggests like a great nece in your riot that unfortunately was snuffed out because David guy who's married to. So I really like him though. Biggest l. probably want thinking. I think we're all on the same age. If you're listening, you're like, no, no guys, it's Basha about, no, no, it's not. It's David. And what's so it's almost like the fact that he is the biggest l. is it's to me, it gives you the greatest hope because this is a guy who beloved by God, smart wise learn lessons from his youth and use them in battle like. Have so much mercy for Saul, like think about all the times that he just did not do the thing that everybody wanted him to do. He was a hero in the best way, but at the same time, no hero, no leader is perfect. It's why the worship of David would always. It's almost like this was destined to happen because I do think there's a part of God that goes and to be clear. The only one you can worship is me like, that's it. No, no guy in this book is worthy of your worship because everybody in here's flawed. Everybody in here makes mistakes. I'm the only one that is without that. And so obviously I do. I wish just like embezzled a little money, maybe that would have been nicer like should be gentler. You're right. He jaywalking when David, but what do we know about David? David does anything he does a big he goes, he goes all in. Well, I like weirdly in his sin. He did the very same thing like was consistent. That's right. No. So to chime in on that, if we because we said on the understanding that the theme was like David as a precursor Jesus right? Just like you said, this showcases how he's a precursor, he's not Jesus. That's right. He's king of the Jews. What he's not the true king of the Jews just because he, like you said, he's a man. He's not Jesus. He is sinful. He is prone to calamity, unfortunately, in this situation, which is why it does highlight. It's like look, even a guy after God's own heart. He's not the one because you can't rely on him. He is beholden to his own impulses. So I lied that highlight. She's and to to circle back to Bethsheba just for second because I don't feel like we get to give her the full character treatment. This is this is a person who is another really interesting character because she was clearly taken advantage of how culpable she was. I don't know. That's kind of a nuanced. Conversation regardless. She was taken advantage of by someone in power, but I do think she's an interesting character and I don't maybe we'll see a little bit in future episodes, but she was someone who was able to make something out of it to make positive things for herself and for her son out of it. And even at David's death, she collaborate with Nathan to make sure the Salman reached the throne, which was a part of God's will, which is a part of God's plan, you know? So this is someone who is a very interesting character put in a very difficult circumstance, but was able to do some good with it so, and it's why I think you're casting. No, there might be some people going Lucent, Kim Kardashian, can't be anybody in the bible, but you take a woman and we're not here to praise Kim Kardashian, Evan, right? But like you take a woman who had a sex tape released and then now makes a contra palette that I really like. Like we're talking about women who made, you know, like came up from those ashes. Okay. Give me what let's go. Let's wrap up our. Who cares are application stuff that we wanna take away from the story. Jamie, what's your I? I mean, it's my first one is just to remember that. We don't just wake up one day having murdered some lady's husband more having rate some lady like we don't just wake up there. David had a lot of opportunities to kind of turn the ship around. Maybe he could have been with his men when he sent them off to battle in the spring. Maybe he could've looked away from bash Sheba when he was gosh, she's thinking on need to go back inside. Maybe when people told him she was married to one of his seal team six. He could have gone back to his Doku and been like, okay, no, I don't need to be like look her anymore. Or maybe when he found out she was pregnant, he could have told the truth and figured out a way for them to all live happily ever after with the emphasis on all could've lived. Right. And so for us, I think we don't just wake up one day in the midst of the worst situation of our lives that we have created because we're about choices. We make little choices all along the way we make compromises. We at the job, we lie to our boss. We lie to our. Spouse. We still a little money from off the top of something. We don't just wake up one day and we're like, oh my God, I had an affair. This is so great he'd see or God. I'm Mike hooked on drugs. This is like it's not like that. And so I think that's a lesson in the story of going, okay. We have to be ever vigilant like all around looking about looking at our lives and going, okay. We are some areas where I'm struggling that I need to like, do need to tend to this. I don't need to just ignore it need to tend to it. No, this really, really good. My soa who cares is about the idea of like the misconception of satisfaction, right? So we've got David, he sees best Sheba. He's first of all, he's violating custom by looking at his neighbor's home using his adventitious position of being on the roof of the palace, right? That's immediately wrong. But he it anyway and I gives way to loss tonight gives way to infidelity all the stuff. So he's in this. He's clearly looking for some level of satisfaction and he thinks sleeping with best Sheba. We'll give it to you and I are pastor pastor, Chris. As thing he talks about calls it the wind then syndrome. And it's like when x. happens, then I'll be satisfied when I make this much money, and then I'll be judged when I get more time than do that thing that you've laid on my heart. Right? And that's a good idea. But it's a faulty France because the assumption is that there's this thing that needs to be satisfied first before behavior will change, but satisfaction doesn't really work like that, right? It's always kinda shape shifting and Morphing and it's kind of a bit of a Mirage when you really think about it. I don't know if it's like the pursuit of satisfaction gives way to mindset that that makes it difficult to find contentedness. But when you give yourself the option of the wind, then syndrome you get caught in this endless cycle, right? Because think of this in king David terms, he sees this hot lady. He's got a million wives and he's got. He literally has a harem full of women. I don't know if you guys know hams work, but they're about the sex stuff. David, like I need to have sex. He doesn't need to go to the roof. He. Can go to his hair like it's just tailor made for you to get all that out if you got to. But he goes to the roof. And to me, I, I wonder is it was feeling like maybe if I have that beautiful woman, maybe then I'll be satisfied. But I think when you chase a feeling like satisfaction, it always lead you astray. Because satisfaction isn't a destination will never arrive in cross crosses finish line. We're like, yes, now I'm satisfied. Things are great. Now, it's, I think, actually more of a mindset. You have an appreciation for what you have, but also in the direction you're heading because it's defined by what you believe in. Right. That's good. That's good. Well, my last one is that sometimes we just need to were wrong. We live in a society where people give apologies that are like, well, if I offended you, I'm sorry. Or if this like. This hurt you because it shouldn't have because I was fine. But if it did, I guess I'm sorry, and I love it. David doesn't do that. He didn't make excuses. He didn't try to defend his actions. He simply said, I've syndicates Lord, and one of the greatest things that comes from this not only fallen Bethsheba who grows we'll see in the season. Finale is David is a great writer, and he writes, really my favorite song of all time, which is psalm fifty one. And we know for fact, it's one of the few psalms where it specifically says that he wrote this after Nathan confronts him about Bethsheba. And in this he says many great things. But one is that he says, create me a pure heart God and renew steadfast spirit within me knowing that he can't do that himself. There's nothing in him that can be pure on his own. We just don't have that. And I think that's such an encouragement to most of us is like, oh, no, no, I can't just will this to be good enough like God has to do that work in me, and then I love it. He says, restore to me, the joy of myself, Asian and Grammy willing spirit to sustain it. Like everything is dependent on God and I love it. David recognizes that and that's what made him Amana for God's on heart in the first place to go. Look, I made a mistake. He says, I know that you don't delight and sacrifice, but you delight in a broken and contract heart. He writes this beautiful thing that is a reminder of who really got is God is not here just punish us and just like you need to bring me a goat. Give me a go, where's the gun? I need the goat? No, he really wants us in relationship with steadfastness, and that is less than like, we just have to admit were wrong. We made a mistake. We hurt this person. We said this thing we're caught an and let's not try to defend it. Let's just apologize. Be broken about it and then move on move on most good. I think to Jesus because that was my exact one to the the in Abaci liked about it was David owning it and like, like, I think. 'cause I think you said in that sowed with ads. Adam with Cain. It was like, we'll able just look so murder -able. So I had to do it Adam like I just maybe do like, but Davis is like, yes. And that was me my bad, my bad and I love that he owned it because for me, I'm very capable of being like, well, so failed. But it's, you know, forty, nine percent, my fault, but then fifty one percent. This person also this first and you can't forget all these other people who factored into my failures. So really, it's everybody like, yeah, we're all kind of false legis all be cool and feel good about each other. But David was like, David wasn't like she should have been naked on the rooftop. He was just like, nah, it was me. It was so me and I love. I love it, inspired him to write that psalm and a love that there's so much personality to it of like this was me created mean clean heart. Not like, I'm sorry, I send Bessie bows naked. Your is a jerk. Secretly has bad, Brad, Joab talked me into it. It's not all that stuff. It's like me. Me, you have to help me. I'm bad at this. You're great at this helped me understand this created me a clean harbor nuits weird to me. So I, I love that David as important as he was and as someone who could be. So I killed Goliath, I tolerated Saul forever it. He was just the frequent worst for someone to be so -ccomplish so awesome. He was very good about getting back to basics and being very upfront about his complicity in his failure and not spreading out the the, the plan to go round. So. And lastly, before we go, we're gonna end with an accountability segment, we're calling a gentle rebuke with our resident, bible scholar, Aaron moon, as is our tradition. We send this episode Erin and she in turn replies with her issues, which we will now face the music for the genera. Byu is sponsored by seen green by Tilly Dila a new book about removing envy from your life and seeing God's glory for more information or to order seeing green for yourself. Visit seen green, but dot com. And now here's the gentle review. Our Jamie, I general view gentle review. One, the ark of the covenant is holding the presence of God. This is kind of nit picky, but I do feel like I'm here to be picky. It's not technically true to say that the arc is holding the presence of God with a nod to I chronicles twenty eight eighteen the arc is a kind of chariot for the visible manifestation of God to say that something anything can hold ya way is to restrict or confined him. Ultimate scholars note that it sacramental value was temporary and ceased when Israel lapsed into an error of thinking, it was a vessel that guaranteed the presence of God. Basically when they got entitled into thinking that they deserved the presence of God and all the benefits that it gave them physically the arc held or contained the stone tablets of the ten commandments. Aaron's budding rod from exodus and a pot of manna. And certainly God's presence was associated with the arc. He worked through at countless times and war to guide the Israelites and as the embodiment of his agreement with them. But I don't think we can say it's holding his presence. I think about her way to put it as that the ark was a conduit of his presence. Okay. So, yeah, I. I didn't. I didn't. I guess I was you. I don't know. Yeah, but I thought it I thought it too. I like that. I like it thinking better of it's a conduit. His presence, of course, I think got his Omni presence. So he's really everywhere anyway. So how could he just be in that the the Bob scholar? No, but this is the ultimate things are complicated here, so, but nonetheless, like I get it, I do like it's better that it is because it is a wholly it's a holy ark. So it is. That's why it was so important and the way you cared. It was so critical. And so I get that. So I like the way to explain it that is much clear our next General, Jamie gentlemen, buke number two. Was bath Sheba seducing David, or was she power raped? Okay. Look, I went back and read a lot of tough commentaries from old white dude. So you didn't have to a lot of these guys, especially from back in the day, put the blame, either squarely on Sheba or they hold Bethsheba and David accountable together, even suggested in the title of the story. David commits adultery with Bethsheba is a more palatable headline than David power rapes Bethsheba. Many of these. Antares say something to the effect of, well, if she hadn't been walking around on a roof with their Pika chew out, this would have never happened. Guess what? If David had been doing what he was supposed to be doing as king which was commanded the troops in battle, this also would not have happened. This whole process started because David lost the threat of his purpose as king. He was supposed to be the guy who would go out before Israel and fight their battles. Guess what he's not doing that. He's sitting on his roof, taking naps and being a creepy peeping Tom, let's also breakdown this bath on the roof situation. Scripture tells us that Bethsheba was engaged in her ritual cleansing. This is called a Mikva and part of the whole deal with that is that the water has to be from a living source like a stream or natural spring in the event that you need a Mikva and you're not near a living water source, you're permitted to us. Wait for it rainwater guess where one might collect rainwater on the roof. You old dudes. She's not. Up there seducing David, she's up there because it's ancient times and she's trying to get clean for post period bat and you can't collect rainwater in your house like you can on your rooftop. Thank you for coming to my Ted. Talk about the bath on the roof. We don't get bath Sheba's perspective on what transpired, but this is a universal truth. When one person has more power in a relationship, it's almost impossible for the other person to freely consent. Even if Bethsheba outwardly wasn't fighting to the death as one crusty old white guy helpfully suggested she should have done. Thank you for your input, but also PS back sucks, doesn't mean that she freely and wantonly gave David. We get a lot of the same pushback when later in life bath Sheba. The now Queen works out with Nathan to get Solomon on the throne. People say, all lacob Isley had aspirations to the throne. She manipulated seduced to their son could be king, hey, just for the record. Can we not shame women for getting raped in a culture that didn't value them and then making the world's largest pitch. Lemonade out of the world's suckiest lemons. Can we let bath Sheba live, please? It's really tough to take into consideration the lives that were destroyed, ruined or lost in the consequences of the sin, your riot, the other men who died in battle. David's children in basically, all of Israel were collateral damage, which is a misnomer because they are only collateral in David story. The rules of sacrifice in atonement have not changed. David's life is marked from this point forward and he never has peace. Again in David's punishment is an almost uncannily exact replica of the punishment that God stated would befall Israel, should they rebel against him? Where's be says it this way, the good things we receive in life, we pay for an advance for God prepares us for what he has prepared for us, but the evil things we do are paid for on an installment plan and bitter is the sorrow brought by the consequences of forgiven sin. All right. So that was a lot really. That's really, really good. Suffer Aaron, what was there anything specifically, poignant that jumped out to you? Shit with so good. I like my favorite part was when she said, thank you for coming to Ted talk. And then she kept talking for another should have minutes like that. I love that. But what she said was so valuable. It's really thank you for coming to my second Ted talk. I wouldn't leave the stage. It was so good knows good nominee deafen the punctuation she put on that are in last general view, Jamie. Third, general buke. This is an agenda. This is more of a note. When David says, I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me. This is the first time in the narrative that he speaks out of his heart, not to nip or out of political necessity. This is the turning point for David. This could have been the moment when David repeated Sol's trajectory, but he repented. And that is the difference between having the spirit of the Lord removed from you and being a man or woman after God's own heart. It's not about the things you do or don't do. It's about the repentance, yes. So this isn't really, this isn't a classic review. It was just really good word. Appreciate it from her because like there's so much going on with David as we'll see in future up. So there is even more going on David that it's easy to lose that threat of like that big journey of, you know, David being after God's own heart that I like that she kinda took this moment to remind us, here's a difference. Here's a singular difference. And it's so valuable in a day and age where policies can be Dhamma dozen. And you can't know for sure if someone is truly remorseful about the thing they've done and I like that she is really wanting out that this is a guy who really did repent like he saw that he was going this way he asked for forgiveness and he turned around the consequences of how he turns it around while obviously, and future episodes. Okay. Guys. Before you go, we would love it. If you'd go to apple podcast and rate and reviews, preferably with a five star ranking, it's a big help to us because one just makes us feel nice. 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396: She's The Man Deep Dive

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396: She's The Man Deep Dive

"I discovered that. Did you know that. Kim jon okay is younger than channing. Tatum not worth. We were going over here for famous people. Born in certain years and kim jong eun does make. But he's three years younger than channing. Tatum just some hearing you would recast. kim move. Maybe hello and welcome number three nine six when he hosts knocks mccoy. And i'm your other harris jamie. Golden podcast is a show dedicated to idiocy more committed educate and entertain not matter to find out more about these adaptive pursuits. Check us out at knox and jamie dot com. You can also find us on instagram and facebook at the podcast. And we're on twitter at podcast. Pod guys thanks for joining us this week as we are going to be deep diving the cinematic masterpiece. She's the man but before we do that do you like us. I mean like right now while you're listening you like us well. It doesn't matter we're in your ears and when you want to have us in your inbox. I think you would. You should sign up for our monthly newsletter extravaganza called note for the audio. We just launch it last month last month to i mean like praise. Five stars freaked out very few people in subscribed. That's all you really know if your newsletter successful and our whole team contributes our best friends on the internet and off plus four twenty one thousand other listeners have already signed up so we don't want you to miss out simply click the link in the show notes or visit knox and jimmy dot com slash. Letter does on up. Today are jamie. We're gonna talk. She's the man and if you're listening you're like she's the man that's exclusive are choice very interesting choice. There's a reason for that. And we're gonna buy aaron in here to the festivities here in howard you so great here. Do you want to explain what we're talking. She's on fire right now like just just the joy emanating from the bones of my body is just. It's palpable i love. She's the man. I love amanda bines. I grieve with her is support her in all her ventures included and. I'm just really thrilled to be to be joining you both. And we're so happy to have you i. I guess it was a snake draft up so we did a couple weeks ago. Where i mean. Bias talked about and that was kind of the i. Guess the origin story of us doing this. This is your birthday month. That's my and don't know aaron. She's a senior creative at our company. She hosts her own series on the bible bench. Podcast called faith adjacent. You just didn't episode on any agreements right. People are rolled up. they're super pump. Because god in a colt will include a link to that in the. But i love it. This is the way we get to celebrate birth dates here because you get to pick the movie. Even if it's weird yeah and it was just so it like inside baseball. Just between this and mrs world's worth winter winter board did frazier masterpiece. Course is so good is calm here when you should have made him watch. Sit next year next one. Be a long year until that point. But we're excited to be celebrating this movie with aaron of in terms of backstory. Like i have you seen this before you watch the thought today. You saw it today for the first time. This is one of ashleigh my favorite movies to rewatch. We're all hands at that but For people who haven't listened this kind of episode we call on the deep dive Behind we do this once a month behind the pay wall pay payroll When we're not recapping the bachelor and we call the messiah peace and basically we just really. Don't get to get super specific in a lot of our episodes on the feed so we use that opportunity in our patriot on in both the bible binge patriot and podcast picture on to really specific on a movie For example jim you mentioned eh. Doing over at the bobbins were going through all of the harry potter movies. Right now. we call the sacred cinema because it put a little spiritual twists. But this is. This is my favorite thing to do. I love talking about specific thing. I love movies. I love recapping. It a love like analyzing it from that so i'm really excited to be here. I'm before we talk specifically about this movie jamie. Do you want to lay the context for what we're talking. My wish she's man. Yeah so. I don't know she's the man is this is how we compete describing a romantic comedy. Sports teen movie. Accurate does try to be all of these things and a great way. So two thousand six directed by andy vick minute stars. Amanda bond in channing. Tatum in really his like breakout year. Yeah okay it's inspired by william shakespeare's play twelfth night centers on viola hastings who enters her brother's new boarding school elyria prep in his place and pretends to be a boy in order to play on the boys soccer team. This movie opened in march of two thousand six. Which i think is always when you think about movies. In average years non pandemic year movies. That i've been in march are usually we're we're we're sweeping them under the rug right like we're trying to get rid of them. They weren't great. Because let me tell you what this open against it. In fourth place It opened against v for vendetta Failure to launch a j. Get and the shaggy dog marches normally a- bad about month for me but in this case i think this one really wins out because it had a budget of twenty million it grossed fifty seven million for the studio and it stayed in the top ten for three weeks. Would you like to guess the rotten tomatoes score as we always do in our series. I feel like people are not going to have an appropriate appreciation for this. So i'm gonna go like although i disagree but this i'm gonna go fifty okay specifically because i've seen it okay. So it's forty three percent now to be fair audience score with more than a quarter of a million rating is seventy nine percents. That's right so this is definitely a movie. That's the extent understands. I saw tweet the other day and it was somebody talking about. There's nothing more millennial than taking a crappy movie from your youth and making it your entire identity and like there's air or something like that consensus was shakespeare's witt gets lost. Okay okay didn't get lost in the lane lost in translation where she's the man broad slapstick predictable jokes and unconvincing plotline well. It's twelfth night out of convincing plotline. Anyway thank you but this was the year. I think it was interesting that this was the year that like the biggest movie that was not a sequel was the davinci code. Oh like it made. Seven hundred. Sixty million dollars are we. Should we be about who we were in two thousand seven. I don't think i've ever seen code are you should not. Oh it's so good it's not good. I really love vinci code in avatar. The like i'll get to it on my own time. Thank you very much. Yeah i was gonna do it when i when i want to do it. I don't think that's an avatar. Not much. I don't think he'll be fine with the do ride. Disneyworld never been there either. Okay so you got. You got a whole life ahead of next year. Let's you dizzy rather right. Let's do ms wigglesworth. It'd be here. It'll be huge. But even that marsh point i think is a really great point jamie because i don't think it'll ever happen again. Like i think movies are changed forever now. Like with stuff going. On streamers like black widow was just it's going to go on disney plus plus disneyland disney plus or whatever so i don't know if that march field marker wherever us again but i think it's a great way to look back on movies on a secret things to know i would disagree. I do think we're gonna come back to it. Even if people movies streamers because i really think that calendar is built by award season and so i still think the movies are trying to sweep under. The rug will come out in the late winter early spring. And then because you still you want people to show up even on disney plus plus bucks so thirty bucks cash tricky though. Some are still think we'll have that summer beam. Yeah that's a great way to especially movies from twenty or so years ago. It's a great way to to look at them in terms of the people involved What she's the man. It's directed by a guy named andy kaufman. He's not anyone of super big renowned. He's done race to witch mountain Paul clark mall cop to not not the original. Did you know that. There's this whole internet theory. This is really weird that i watched this this weekend. There's entire internet theory. That paul clark mall cop to It was edited to pink. Floyd's dark side of the moon. Okay okay. I didn't know that i can i. Can i see in that yes. There's also in juice in the black messiah. There's a cop whose last name is blocked no way and there's a unifying theory that maybe he's related to paul blur. That's his grandfather. I think when people look back on this time humanity. They'll be like. Wow we can tell what's going on. That's really happening. These people they were really cook it in there. So nothing of big renown here The most interesting part was it's written by four different writing credits but most notably. It's a woman named karen mccullough who i'd never really heard of but once looked She wrote in things. I hate about you legally blonde ellen chanted. She's demand the house money. Truth kinda tapers off there at the end but the beginning Especially when you look at ten things about you. Another shakespeare adaptation at that. You can really see a language here. That works really well. This is starring when we do this. We try to say. Like you know starring. We meshed the leads and the supporting roles. I think to me. This is starring binds the end. That's that's kind of it channing. Tatum is there. But in terms of zaid's how zere physically. He's there mentally fun. Part is just assessing the room right now. I feel like you didn't like this movie at all. You loved it. I loved really enjoyed it. I loved it got. It was so i got you. I was like that's going to be a fun little asset. I hit him as a delight. In this you okay thickly calf. He's perfectly cast okay. That's interesting because there's some advice in. I don't know if it's a function of he. The care does not given as much to do it. It's one of those like an nba to talk about. These teams built around one player and the the the other players let them down but when so much of the oxygen is sucked up by that one player. It's it's only natural that they're going to be let down. I don't know if there's a situation where this binds vehicle and it's like it doesn't matter who you're gonna put with her. This is all into bides. It's a showcase for her. I didn't realize that. Amanda bonds only in her whole career has made non movies. Yeah not very many. Because she was big on tuesday big. Tv person. sure for jewish dated seth. Oh i did not from family got fails. I think you could put anybody with sussman. And i'd be like wow. That sounds like it's really didn't know and this is honestly this is higher powers. This is from. And i think when you watch this movie if you'd have told me so Chain tatum and amanda bines. One of these people is really gonna be lost in twenty years and once people is really going to be like top of the game would have had that order reverse. We don't have that Jamie you mentioned a chain tatum. This is really so he had done I don't know he's really just like you can tell he's a really hot guy who dances. Well right there is a fluidity to his movement and that's kind of what he's known for because He does she's the man he's not. I don't think he's acting very well but also to step up into six. Which is where you really see like. I don't know if he can talk at all but there's something here. He didn't need to talks with his body. Read the flames perfectly catch. He doesn't need to do and the funny thing is though he so he does. This movie doesn't six And then besides step up two colon the streets into eight. He doesn't really do much until public enemies. Until last not and i think in my head i by the time he does public enemy's Which do you use public enemy. So it's like old gangster movie right. And they i think it's johnny depp And somebody else. But the bill is like johnny depp. Cheney and blah blah blah and then I don't wanna spoil for you. But changed him dies in the first fifteen. That's ridiculous but then he does. Gi joe rise. The cobra and his name is also duke. Also do and that's really. It's a slower ascent than i think i'd given him credit for. I think i find my head he had done. She's the manny took off. But really i mean it's been a slower Build and i think that kind of informs his career now where he does stuff. But it's not like the pace that i wanted. Well it is a weird casting because he is so much older because he's twenty six makes this film which is so much older than twenty year old amanda bonds in the world of teen. Yeah it makes me think of him in twenty one jump street where they're like. You're the oldest. It's like four now so but i am bread. Amanda said i fought to get chaining casts because he wasn't famous yet he'd done a mountain dew commercial and i was like this guy's a star every girl eleven. There's no way she thought he was a star from a mountain dew commercial. She thought he was hot. And i see that. Yeah tina fey thirty rock casting like i'm gonna calf damon. Yeah i'll hike. Odds james brenda john. Johnny commercial as rebound do and been like let's get that then new zealand amazing Okay so were you always going to be into buying like. Did you have stock in the bines. I watched all that with everything like all that was my was just the most beautiful piece of art that imagine. Stay up to watch nick. It was so great. I i loved all that for a very specific age. I feel like nickelodeon. And the some of the like showed derivatives that came out of nickelodeon roundhouse route like utah. My ear indiana. Who's afraid of. Are you afraid of the dark. Like they're good burger. It's like i. I think for it misses so many people. But if you get it you get it. And she's one of those that like you grew up with in a bind. She is that person. The amanda show was young. I mean it was just so good. And she's just like a little slick a young carol burnett she really is. Yeah finally the thing that jumps off in the rewatch of well. Let's transit. let's talk about. Who won the movie. Jimmy for you like bounces. What idea bounces out for me. It really is a for a movie in two thousand and six taking gender norms particularly those of men. Because that's what. I think this movie did. Well it was mocking these gender norms. I mean well first of all two thousand six when she calls him g money like the sickness laughing time capsule in a very fun way. There's a some forty one post our just like the like the she. I like how she assumes like ooh like sexual as women and like she wants to naked more and i kind of love that because they're all looking at her like she's crazy for behaving link that and i thought it was a nice moment of going. Oh no not. Every guy is like this. And i just thought this movie it's palatable way to ha- to convey that message without having to be an after school special. Yeah and i think it felt like this movie was on the fringe trying to deconstruct toxic masculinity as much of a movie could in two thousand six it lacked the vocabulary and maybe like the cultural equity. But you could tell they. Were trying there. And i liked that you know at at one. Seen you've got Chain tatum and like his bro- skis in a pizza booth. Like object find women but then another one. He's like not like you can't talk about winning. You know because. I think that's that's pretty consistent with high school experience. It's like you learn these lofty ideas and you pair them. But then you're also you fall victim to them as well as as as a person who went to an all boys. Do you think that the way that this movie personifies like especially like the sock like the locker room stuff like do. Booties take showers together. Really yeah there's i went to a co ed school. Well this is a co. Ed school at like. Yeah they yeah when you go to the gym you know the men take showers together here and if i could take you in a planet fitness locker room right now i want to like know you wouldn't believe the things you would see. Wouldn't believe the casual nudity surprises me. I guess like. I knew in the gym in adults but those their children. No this is not a trial. He's a man he's over. The locker room is a hazing playground. It's like a hazing lab black panther. Were sure she's got all the things out. That's what the guys locker is is like and it's not great. It's not at all. What about you aaron. Who want to move. Well it's amanda barnes and it does make me sad because i went back in like i looked at some of the the photo graphic evidence from when she was not doing as well and i just i just want like invite her over for a casserole like does anybody doing your taxes like to she. She getting like she going to the dentist. She okay up on both of those vitamins. I don't know i'm worried about her. But she's so she's so funny in this movie. And i know like part of this as minus algebra and like you might they might be some cheesy parts or whatever but she is so. She's got the team on her back. Oh my god. She is just moving through this movie at like a frenetic pace. I was so impressed. With how like you said she's carrying it because it's almost like when she's acting against anybody else it's like they're just the casting director that's really the line from the script so that she can act because what she's doing is very different than what anybody else's doing it's like when someone wants to play she plays with it but it's like most people can't play they give me the ball do this i. She has that balance of she's attractive but she's also hilarious. Yeah and i think. In that way she crosses all the quadrants of no one is like pissed at her or disinterested in her. Everyone finds her very accessible and entertaining. That is because she's but i kept thinking i kept thinking. She is the amy poehler like she. Is amy poehler because all is one of those people that's like she's not to pretty that jealous but she's attracted enough. That be like god willing to like. Yeah i like her. she's funny she's like but she's raunchy like she's a perfect comedic actress. Yeah in this. Amanda read that way particularly for so. Because i just don't think we ever see actors and actresses this young who can do it that well the comedic timing is off the charts and i thought when i was watching. I thought it's the comedic stuff in the margins of not like a one liner sick one line. It makes you laugh. It's like a response to someone an event of the voice and that's all i don't know if that's in the script or that's feels like it's just her just based on what i know about her from nickelodeon but that is like you can't teach how you can't. It's just there. It's like watching a meteoroid and then to to see like what happened to you or in a lot of if feels a lot like a british fears like a lower level you know of just like watches person who's so talented but even with amanda like britney spears. Obviously she's great. That's a heartache. But it was like it was almost like less about britney spears talent and more what we're putting on her what she represented And like the sexuality and all that stuff in the pop culture with a binds. She just very funny like really good so her trajectory in the fall. It felt like less severe because like we were invested in the ways that we were with britney spears or something like that. So i don i. It's it sat on the same level. But i don't know The same reason you know. It's interesting because i'm watching the demi lovato documentary Dance with the devil. And what i've learned from that and it's got you know because obviously she has a similar trajectory busy stars. Comedic actor that kind of thing. But it's it's the craziness of when i watched that i've how not only are people easily using heroin crack cocaine math like on a daily basis. But they're trying their their whole world around them is helping them function in that way and no one is looking and going. Hey should you be using heroin. And like that's demi ladas whole circle like they're all like yeah she uses strike and i just think you're screwed because here it looked like an alabama if somebody uses drugs everybody rallies in like you stop using drug use drought stop using drugs but like amanda bonds. If she starts using drugs she was surrounded by people who benefited off of her financially. You know an just with the fame that came with her and getting great seats at restaurants insurance thing that it seemed like they would just go. Yes. she's a strike thanked yet. No no one is incentivize like hey usually stop. Yeah you're wasting. I had amanda bines as well aaron and you know. There's a scene in the middle of the movie where it's at the pizza parlor. It's double date it's Do and via and then eunice and viola. They're all like in the booth together. And everyone is looking at viola revile right As like you need to do something. Yeah that's a metaphor for a metaphor for the everyone's just like you do something funny now right and i think that's a that's a function of the role. I think that's the function for talent. I read roger ebert said about this movie. He didn't have great things about it. They said amanda buys let us say that she sunny and plucky and somehow finds a way to play her possible role without clearing her throat. More than six or eight times more importantly we like her. And that's the thing. Is we really like vines as implausible does is. She's so likable that carries it. Yeah and who lost me channing. Tatum so bad in this like so bad. He is a awful actor now. I don't think he's gotten much better so much bad but he is. He's so shy and bashful. That's exactly who was supposed to be in the he's perfectly calf. I didn't need him to be a good actor. I needed him to combine three things. I needed him to be because this is my love. He's my low key because he needed to combine otherworldly attractiveness right. He nailed young and then he needed to be just like a sliver goofy which e mails and then he has to be his to seem somehow fragile and those three things are hard to get out of one person yet. You believe like michael jordan cannot make us think he's fragile confident himself. Right right but channing tatum. In this moment you can be like oh yeah. He's nervous about talking about cheese like he couldn't be too good about talking about cheese and he feels insecure about it to me. Do i think he's a great actor. No you're exactly right. He's not a great actor but he's still perfectly. I know you may have just like you may have just convinced me. This feels like a betty. Draper thing where it's like. Do i hate january jones or is she actually the perfect person for this. I think it's a blend of the two. Because i don't think they were like this for rican mound do commercial. I think that were just like i mean to once this guy because he's super hot and then we've written this role and like wait. Are there certain points where this is perfect. And i think that's true. I think there's vulnerability that we're goofiness because if it's just justin character like you're like you're super confidence doesn't carry but there's other moments where like he's trying to like he's in the booth with guys and you're like man. This is like a broken clock is right twice. A day can be 'cause he's you can tell he's very self conscious and it's a testament to how good he is now because he's so much better than than he was Jamie what about you. Who lost mary For me it was the makeup and hair team that did her transformation and look. I know it's tough because she's small. She's tiny little head that you don't realize the so tiny until you take away her hair right but the ab club. At the tom a review and they say she comes out of the makeup process looking more like a prepubescent boy athletic teen which is constant destruction. And truly for me the whole time. I just could not stop staring at her hair like that. We get so bad like if you had just spent like fifty thousand dollars extract. You could have gotten a better hair and makeup transformation. They spend all in school on renting. Now you're making that carnival event. We'll have to fast. We got to get people on sticks. We gotta get like yeah. I had channing tatum as well. I was trying to think about channing. Tatum and i was thinking about. There's this like weird captain america vibe. With him right. He's like he's very like you want. Wanna be as for any like him but i think he plays a quieter confidence and chris evans. You know it's kind of like a captain america's younger brother you know who like may have gotten bus with weed but like he's a good guy you know what i mean like. I fundamentally he's a good guy. And i think that bashfulness and that self consciousness at this point uses advantage. He's like reagan's okay see that. That was another corollary because i had like this was like a guy who may or may not try to hook up with like the mom next door. Earning you still root for him. Yeah in that aspect but you also kind of root for him. I had also kissing booth las movie. Boy why are we doing that. It's tough into cove area to be like. Whoa that's like just now. Just didn't she thousand six like you're gonna kiss strangers for money. This seems like bad yard. I'd have my shakespeare pool to be like. Was this an aspect of the twelfth night. And i'm just like oh. This is just a facet of carnival. Just push away. I know that like. I'm aware that been for his no new that i didn't know if that's because you know like it's twelve user for the restaurant while i don't know if that was a nod to the in a like some sort of kissing thing because in terms of the plot it's a clever way to get him to kiss Viola s without having to go decisions of it I also had soccer scenes. Big begun this movie. Is roy up to watch. Yep yep mind. Why because the old rule is the closer. You are the worst. The players are right And you always see Amanda bines you see. Her feet are feet where you see her topping. I read that she had never played soccer ever two months of training and they said she did a lot of her own soccer work but like also is soccer. Is it interesting soccer interesting. You know some people will think it is as you will get action. You're probably honestly to get more hate for saying about the vaccine. Don't let me not say like soccer. Like listen i know that david beckham is very attractive to watch him play soccer but his high school soccer interesting There's a good ball players so good ball it's like you With football you can kind of get past because there's a lot of colliding and you don't know the skill nuance Baseball is such a single thing with soccer. If you're like there's two guys who can play. It's a toby andrew. I don't even know if they have soccer experience. But you can just tell us tell. They've played soccer for so it's tough. It's really tough and your team to watch Sports being played at a weird level. And i think for me. It's always like i just want things to score higher. And so i feel this way about hockey too. But at least with hockey get blood yes okay moose path. It feels like soccer when you watch like when parents plus clips their kids playing soccer. I'm always like look how far after they're still running. It's like a firework. it's just no one cares work. So don't do it Jamie looking. Mvp you mentioned. I will see him by that. I think channing. Tatum is a delight in this. But i will really say the time capsule element of this the soundtrack or thin. You got shaggy. All american rejects. The veronica does and then weirdly. Ray lamontagne i wasn't ready for the realme on what about you. And he looked at me. David cross. I love cnn everywhere. I know great. Great tobias cameo i love. I like the decision to not blend his beard. Which is a hard out. Hard i know full baldness i. I had a couple. I had the coach. Leery of vinnie jones. That's a good character actor. That's a good coach. You know like the coach for cornwall. He seems like such a geezer yet. I'm like that's that guy's not making it a high school. He's getting fired for sexually inappropriate vinnie jones. Though that's a straight dude The girl who played olivia law ramsey I thought she was really good. She's great she's not really in much. I think she hasn't worked since twenty fifteen. I really believe you like you as an actress You mentioned the montages loved the montage. Really great one The you mentioned the soundtrack toby and eunice I like they're just like their lives. As would like takes takes her out and then. Toby is like me. And when i wanted to take you use out. Y'all made fun of me. Screw you guys got good. And then i liked Kid behind sebastian. And the kissing booth. Line the back of the line but ball. You paid for flirt with their butts. So good julia haggerty. Haggerty of the mall haggerty haggerty. Okay the wife from airplane. Yeah what are you guys thinking about like. What what did you think about her as the mom is the deputy brings a very specific energy and i thought she did a great job. I'm like twitch. These moms are always the same in these. Maybe like they're always cliche. It's always like. I just want something different for you. Honey i i mean. I don't like sports. You'll be sweaty. But i just thought she bought brought a weird quirkiness to you. That twisted just sanath. That like your mom's weird and listen moms of twins. They're weird a and that is a like because the dad in ten things. I hate about you a super weird too weird energies that they're giving up. I like that is a shakespeare thing. Parents are the big time. And i think she is. I'd i'd gotten thrown off her. Sent after winona ryder and stranger things. But i think julia haggerty. She's like the alpha of shaky dog moms of just like my voice. Shingle drink middle. She's i remember. she's an instant family is like the grandma but she's in mere story and she's so good amir so as the mom who kind of really likes adam driver. You know she really yes. She is scar. Joe's mom yeah you're right. She's really good at that specific like maternal but you also kind of hate her for. She plays mrs kringle noel. 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When amanda bines walks into the junior league luncheon will never make me laugh like the way she enters how she walks to the table when she's chewing like she has a secret amazingly enough. The fight in the bathroom is just like like. Put it up there. In the pantheon of comedic moments and it's great. It's so good because we've never really seen her in this arena at all. Yeah we've been in this other setting and suddenly she's in this debutante junior league auxiliary whatever and she's just crushing eating that our facebook. It's just amazing. What about your best thing for me. It is win violet dumps. Monique in the pizza parlor as sebastian. One because the whole scene. I just think about the filming of that of like how many days they had to be in that film because there's so many things that happen there and the fact that it's so physical it just proves that she can do. She can do physical comedy so well and then. Monique being actually think the accuracy played. Monique was fantastic. Good and the fact that she just like we we date but i don't recognize him across the room. You'll split like something that she would do. It does and i love that scene. I love how they didn't really look like at all and he was much taller than her. But everyone is just like yeah. Okay cool like even vinnie. The coach in the of the game. He's just like i'm literally going to different person began. Go play but that that beats a play. That was one of my as well. J. the pizza placing and is when it starts when a high five. This july fourth graders as she's like cool. There's like there's almost a jim carey thing with her. Alrighty then i love a much. I think probably one of my favorite like. It's not a scene. Which a it's when she's trying to shower for the first time in the boy's bathroom and then malcolm festes dorm director comes in to try buster and do guoxin tale towel. Whips him in the head and he screams. Oh my gosh. I love it. It's really really good Jamie does move past bechtel. Toss okay so as a refresher the bechtel test is a real. It's a an approach to movies. Created about allison bechtel. Which asked three questions does a movie have at least two named women in it do they talk to each other and then three do they talk to each other about something besides man so fun. You've picked a great movie erin because it does pass the but there are nine named we women and embarrassment of these they have several conversations Women talk to each other several times some of the time they do talk about men but they actually have. There's really two moments and sad to say. I'd like to put a number on it. Yeah exactly where they talk about playing like they have a conversation about falker playing it michigan versus going to become a tarheel. I don't even know what that means. Okay you know it's north carolina. Okay and then the mom and viola talk about debutante close. Yes and i thought this is a weirdly. Timely moved to be talking about because we just had the nca tournament where we've had. I don't know if you saw the tweet where you got. The men's wearing vast and a huge tons of renown and the women women's like a closet with a small mountain of dumbbells. Robust gyms in a hampton. Mike house has more of action. And there's not much going on there so the timeliness and the topicality of girls seem just getting cut and no one explaining. I did like that. They got uniforms but the team got cut for some reason. Yeah well neither holdovers or something like that. Didn't feel like that big of a leap to be like. Oh yeah no one tells you. Think about the nc double a basketball team. Being saved by. Dick's yes. I think there's something really lovely poetic right. I think you're right. What about the latif. Testing does confess latif lateef tests. Can't come russ comes to us from layla. And nadia with and looks at racial diversity and film and the reason we have these conversations because we don't want to just be like mainly maybe not use a critical eye on it as well and for example if you look at the best picture winners of oscars because we have officers coming up this month If you look at the best picture winners over the last twenty five years eight of them pass the latif tap means they have a multi-character color to have dialogue who are not romantically involved with other. And they're not a magic your things but others twenty-five best picture winners twelve of this homes don't even have a single named character of color which is took so we look at this. Maybe this is where it does not do. Well the first is are there to name characters are we have von and toby. Who are both black. There are other by jacques actors in the film but they're always like chemistry teacher or or announced. Then the second question is do they have dialogue. They do not so that it does fail the latif test and the smell and i always like to think of this terms of Let's do the inverse right right. Listening about black panther are white people and black panther in a movie this whole black panther that is conduct and once a guy wants back guy. That's amazing right. You have multiple guys. Let's let's the spin that lends a little bit. We could do that erin. Biggest reaches for you in this movie. Well other than any male ever looking like in life channing. Tatum in high school okay. Other than that. Can i spin zone you for a second yeah counterpoint. He stopped looking their twenty six year old when he had a shirt off. Because he's so hairless he's very hair like if he was harry and twenty six. That's totally a man and this feels weird. The hair last made me think okay talking about no okay so you think he looks more like a high schooler when he has shirt off. I think a hairless man looks younger. Man do you agree or disagree with clinically yes. He looked six months younger than he really does. Okay so what. I'm hearing you say is. If he was very hairy you would be like. Yep he still in highschool got it. We're suspending disbelief. I understand one is a bit more believable naturally hairless that way every time. I've seen him without a shirt on. Which is the laughing mike. I mean he and he's often they make in twenty one and twenty two jump street. They make him pick office. I mean he's got a dancer bide and that's like his vibe assume that he's a hairless go on the red. That may be true. I don't know i've just never. I've never seen a child with muscles like that assure. i haven't either. Yeah look at children. Well don't worry kids. Instagram and coming. You can look at what could go wrong so other than that. Please stop showing women playing sports with their hair down. Nothing makes me angry. He never happened. Get it out of your faith earned. We wouldn't know she's still she's a girl. No i do still know that. And i and don't understand i also don't understand why the face paint in the final soccer. Seen what was happening has to be shakespearian thing. It's like going to war and it's like yeah okay. So that's great means that maybe we don't see sebastian really like it just kept falling off their face because so she's swell. She's trying to tell him that she loves him. She's got like a soul patch a paint so patch right there at one point. I don't know what the continuity was. But she won't bother. You could see like half of her face was red. But we'd never got that. Establishing so i guess she had done it in like wiped down. Now it's problematic. I don't like it. what about you jimmy. Okay so in kind of that. The fact that when she reveals her breasts as she she would be wearing a sports bra right. This is crazy. Why would you not be wearing a sports for playing sports. I don't care how tiny your boobs are like. And technically she should have had the bandage around exactly because she was being bad. I get it. You want to have the moment. But i do love the moment when her dad is like. I just didn't realize it'd be good. But i also want to. The biggest reach too was understand. This this is my only critique of amanda bombs. What did she sums up sometime. Sound like she was from alabama. She had her. Her voice came and went theory rage. And like i'll lay. She'd she'd be real country sounded. I'm into it. It's like if you've ever tried to be australian and it goes british or british and it goes out to my final thing was the fact that this soccer there has never in the history. I dare anyone to show me in the history of soccer. Have there been cheerleader. Dancers with sequencing grad note about that. They're very scantily clad for a high school. Barry even like does christian rinaldo do they have cancer saw so. It's not a vibe. I know i've checked out lonzo. i had Let's see I thought malcolm's falsetto was pretty good. Science pretty good. Yeah yeah it. Wasn't that bad. Malcolm you can tell we got like sixteen cut where he's a more compelling character wasn't gonna work out for yeah there's no space for him I didn't like democrats his bow tie. It was a little little flaccid about thing tight minimize being able to change into addressing a party. That's not feasible. I did not like. I know they were doing it for effect. Yes i get that but like she changed clothes four times but never was. I didn't need it. Yeah honestly didn't use that. She go to the carnival as sebastian. Because hurt smashing was supposed to be there. She's covering for brother. Who's in london. The whole time. I could figure out what is the basham even need to be at this thing. It's like i get what civic event. Why couldn't you just be thick and be home. Sure i thought that's what she should have done. A great like Identity changing montage and is good texture if she was always like changing at some point daily. No nothing we like. Mrs doubtfire nailed this. Yes didn't need here. Yeah i had. I also had Didn't apology our shoes. They ever really actually had shoes. Yeah i didn't know that. They still have shoes anthropology anthropology. Oh yeah yeah didn't that okay. Why are you learned some new. And then i had. Someone is hot as livia asking someone for help on how to manipulate a guy inches anytime hot people act like they can't interact with the like with the sex. They're attracted to you. i just cannot with. That's more believable than amanda. Bines being able to sneak into a school and act like a boy. I would buy that hopper's due to bear hug hotness. Say they don't know they're pretty show. You're dang you know when she was asking duke how much how many times he could bench her. I feel like chaining tatum. The person was like messed up in that. Do you buy duke or being forty one guy yes really. Yeah yeah. He's like sensitive. Yeah but he's still like that is like waterside. Yes as trying to come up with. We talk about justin at all. You don't talk about him just as a starting to step up. Maybe yes dancer. I thought he acquitted himself better in this movie. As an actor then channing. Tatum did as a dancer trying to be an actor. You know it's like you know. We're we're dealing with dancers when there's just a lot of backflips in a soccer. Yeah i have seen in real life though. Someone do a throw in by doing that. Like ball on the ground flip majestic. That's really nice but yeah i. He doesn't have to do as much because he just gets to. Be the douchebag so there's not a lot of range there but that was good douchebag. How did you know he was douchebag. His popped polo collar one. I knew by disguise something on aaron money for you. Well there are so many like i. We there's just but there's really only one and it is. He's probably halfway to china. By now i mean. He showed his willison doodle berries. My favorite line. It's like a throw away you don't see it coming across. I don't think it lands. Yeah that's actually not the one thing about those jamie. What about you stick it. Right in absorbs right up okay. That's a good one in a different way mine. I thought it was When i made by talking to monique and he says she says does he have your number one. Eight hundred be is a big moment. Her victims. aaron doesn't satisfy congress person. Tell me though okay. Don't you think it's so perfect. That knox would love a law that includes the term bi. Because knox for sure used now. At that i'd be out on the rig also. Did you know baloney as thirty eight percent. Huff a better jamie. I want you to recast. One roll was hard for me. And i would want me to cash any tatum. Okay because i knew you're not gonna love him like guy. Sure but i've sent me on a weird journey because the way every castles i think who are the other actors. That are the same age the same onset of like. Who's who stole this person's lunch money. And but you know what i discovered. I got so distracted. Add israel. i discovered that. Did you know that. Kim jon okay is younger than channing. Tatum not worth going over here. Famous people born in certain years. Kim jong hoon does make. But he's three channing tatum. Just so i'm hearing you would recast mckinley okay. Okay i you watch. I would i would recast every actor. That's not even close to being a teenager. Probably but i also thought and i do think amanda bonds was great. Yes but i think who solar lunch money. Could that person have done this role and is emma stone. It's who stole her and it's funny because an easy a it's like a passing of the torch literally taking a hand Do you are you. Are you guys the kind of people that are like. I need my teenage high schoolers to btu thais go. But i need them to be not like how always just think of andrea from not a two hundred thirty eight at that point. I'm like this is so audaciously your actually love it. This is flagrant. Or what about you erica. Can you talk kim jong hoon. Go with me here. you're not gonna like this. I don't care. I wanted someone who could play soccer but was a better actor. Then channing. Tatum going for the one of the home improvement kids now. Okay guy. i'm gonna cast young matt smith in this rod guys in this. Yeah okay pause. I am very pro matt smith but that is a ridiculous. It's not anyone can grow muscles. So i here and so. I think we could buff him out. Smith could grow muscles. I think so. He's got like a brits. Do not care about growing. Don't but he would for this roy. He's not host as a problem. That's not true it is. He looks like a computer. Game cares midnight hot. he is not your own item. Well he's not channing. Tatum hot. But i'm saying like i think i think it could work. It's my dream. And it's my birthday kim jong un. Okay so it'd be better if i said i will give you guys you can pick matt. Smith are david tennant. And you get one. And i won't say another bad word so i won't say another bad word about that one person but the other one is. You can't talk about them ever again. We need to pick david tennant. He'll hate he'll hate more not being able to naming things out. David tennant that he will about. But i feel like. He'll go harder on matt. Smith like colby david but i think he's been cordial about matt smith because of the crown. I think you'll never be cordial about david tenet and the sometimes we'll have to only he'll have to like i think about aaron sweet right now. She's thinking about herself. And i'm just thinking about what will be harder for you. That shows the difference in how we approach this. I think of used a boma vitriol for david. I can't mud something that you would say for eight years you could find more at trial all right. We choose david tennant. David tennant's no more main things by kicking. You can never talk about math again. Wait your which one could you talk about. It wasn't this was either work. I can't wait to play the tape back in the what act and you get one and i won't say another bad words choice. I won't i won't say oh another bad word about that one person but the other one is you can't talk about them ever again but the other one is. You can't talk about them ever again. You guys can talk about them ever again member. I'm gonna do recast one role in why i'm going to do. I have three guys pick which one you liked this I had sebastian I think it's fine. He was it was one of those. It's like a rich eisen hot chick where she's in it for minute but like her role isn't really like the point Adam brody as sebastian. This is big time because he doesn't look unlike amanda binds but I have duke. Okay so we've got them trying to think about someone that same age range. Kim jong kim jong some would say that I've got ryan reynolds Charming little more. He's probably not as vulnerable and quiet and goofy. You know really high. We learned that in the proposal could be very very my favorite. One is Malcolm festival director malcolm pressured. There's just a tarantula run around and we don't have a result that i want. That guy was to attractive. I think in to accomplish so. I'm going to go lee norris hooley nurses. This is the personally played Check torkelsson on tv plug efforts to cast him and something. Did you guys not noticing girl when shuki tools and just shows up like what chocolate. Tricky torkelsson barney get disemboweled. Yeah ben affleck in one movie okay. Never forget that world world world you guys want. Were they know. Trekkie talk cheese chucky. Sometimes i think i'm shrieking into the void. Choose last okay. Great off what. That is jamie dupree. Fun facts okay. So obviously you wanted to recast the bastion. See i remember that. But producers wanted jesse mccartney to play viola brother he was originally offered the part because they thought that he and a minimum looked exactly. They do not let out but he was telling me something else what. He was filming backs And then when auditioning for the film channing. Tatum stuck a tampon up his nose but he did not realize he was meant to take off the plastic applicator first so he just blocks to advocate or episodes was i think makes an even better kathy. Amandas knows was too small for normal tampons. How dainty her nose is now and so they had to custom make her a tampon for that scene or nice i i also love that saying So the footage of bombs when she's going down the street kind of impersonating men. That was actually real. Unsuspecting people in vancouver vinnie jones. Who is the actor who played coached english. He was actually a professional soccer player. He played for wimbledon leeds. United sheffield united and chelsea for fifteen years. Really isn't that crazy And then amanda bomb famously said in an interview that she did later that when the movie came out when this movie came out and she said i saw it and i went into a deep depression for four to six months. Because i didn't like how. I looked when i was a boy. Well i mean like like it's a bummer. But i hate that for her but you like again like like. You're not you're not. it's not like you're trying to be hot like it's part of the movie like this is observed pointed that you're not hot. It's as the appetite. You've got to be pretty hot. I it made it when she turned back into herself. Made that pop of like oh. She's like super attractive. It was so strange. I'll talk to her taller. Jesse mccartney might have been shooting. Sweet life of zack. And cody episode. That he was on been okay or he might have been doing the voice for kingdom hearts to curb album or he might have been at doing his video. Forget your shine on. Probably a classic j abdul a world where he's like. i dislike swe life arc. Light artists one episode. Yeah in that thirty minutes. So you that i can't do this movie. Sorry see the director. He thirty two episodes of Live and mattie so really matty right great property good good bona fide property there Okay aaron grade. This know this is like you're taking everything but the objective of cribs movie. I'm gonna do my best to be objective. I can objectively say that. I know this is not like a an award-winning movie. I understand but it it the way it makes me feel. It makes me feel like a ninety five. Okay mcfee okay. I've watched this good guy feel so good a good day For me you know. I liked it. I think he's been better than the audience score. Like i'm gonna give a solid eighty two you a fun movie. I thought sometimes we watch. She's means that are fifteen years old. I go no what's going to happen. I was a little sensitive to all the things that are going to be. It's not a perfect movie. But i thought it was really fun and i really was actually made me very sad that we kind of lost amanda bonds to the cast of a personal life because she had this show too. I forgot the because this is i. Don't know if this pg but i forgot there's a stray gd in this. The comes out of nowhere. You're like well what's that about thinking about it. In an alternate world. she's playing crew ville instead of them. Yeah she really really don't let makes it bums me out to I'm gonna do. I'm gonna eighty five. I feel like. I don't think it's quite as bad as tomatoes score gives it. I think it's nice. I think there's a pretty high degree of difficulty doing. It's a one person show but fundamentally it's a good hang hang our forty five. Oh it was good pace to me. Yeah i really have really was Okay we'll conversation on. She's the main ear and thanks so much for joining us. 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Just text pop to thirty thirty thirty and now back to the show are jamie listen. What is your relatives week. So i'm red light this week. Jaw have you seen knocks of you've seen the crispy cream backlash i've seen a little bit about. Oh my gosh guys so crispy. Cream decided to move into public health. Sure which at first you'd be like wait a minute crispy cream. The sweet treat place doughnuts. Here's the thing here's the problem we are like. We've had two administrations in a row. Who have not done good public health like advertising. That's right so that people can understand that the vaccine is safe. They can understand that all the miss. You're hearing about it from a girl named liza with like an age of the name on instagram. That she is misleading. You but i know that we've learned. I get it. We've learned from white women on the internet that you can hold two things to be true at the same time right. I know that but you cannot be all about personal choice and then be mad when people make a choice to get a vaccine and doughnut in the same day. Because that's what i did. And i had a bunch of people coming yell at me about it on twitter instagram. Did they know about the vaccine. The donut or both together. At least said i was going to die. Within two years i was going to be sterile. And that i had invited diabetes in my life. Oh so by the way lease hat tip to you for motivating me to make sure that i put up like put an event planner in my calendar to remind me a march twenty first of two thousand twenty three. But i'm gonna email you back unless you know that i'm a lot. Be elise just activated spike jamie. It's on angry and listen crispy cream does. Here's the thing. I'm okay with any company that's like you know what we wanna do. We want to get people vaccinated. Because that's the way through the pandemic. And i like that and listen if you don't wanna get if you don't wanna get a doughnut. Guess what you don't have to get out don't though some people were like my dermatologist. Like are you going to get a doughnut every day. I'm like no because it's not near my house. It's hard for me to get through an economically feasible. Dr easy but i am going to add to get the donut day that i got my vaccine a treat and like to celebrate this wonderful thing that has happened to me. I was invited. You know you. So i like. There's something you mentioned. I wrote a. I wrote chapter about this. All things considered and it was talking about I think a couple of years ago when they came out with an ad. That's like hey men. Let's respect women and not be douche bags and then. There was a moment. Where domino's i think they're initiative to repair city roads. Because the potholes. Were making the delivery. Cars bounced the pizza up and right and it was talking about this idea of private companies. Having to step in when the government's gonna fail you right. And i think i in a weird way i think what you're saying sure we've had two administrations like follow up the stairs so to speak. I a couple of different times on the roll out of this and you know. I'm sure some somebody we're gonna like yeltisn. Dm's or whatever about vaccines. Whatever when i'm saying is crispy cream and they're boring. They're like you know what gang step up because we're government is fumbling this so that's a real thing that's happening and look who's getting mad at donut. Just don't down ago you guys. You don't have to send us mediums. You don't have to send us emails. Because listen i've already been sent hundreds hundreds and hundreds. Yeah calling me horrible names. Like i don't need that from youtube. Go listen you want it to be about personal choice. Then why can't you respect my personal choice to get a doughnut and pfizer. Vaccines my my choice. Choice my red light similarly as serious is a about the. Obi wan kenobi show. I might get so obviously. He's been out there. They've been talking about for a long time. But we finally got some like actual details about this casts I knows my red light. I've given a red light because it starts shooting in april. I thought i was gonna start watching april. I was very disappointed by the news. Because i really thought it was already told me so mad because i don't know i think we've been talking about the show for three. According to the least you might be dead by the time. This comes out so The the when they cast there a couple of people jumped out. Obviously you mcgregor reprising his role. you've got Joel edgerton that was interesting. No i'll lower edgerton showing up anything. You've got camille nanjiani very interested in that indira varma. She was In game of thrones susan game three and never have i ever okay. I was gonna say rome but that that one to grow the miniseries know watch that There's also a saffy brother which was like what what now a safdie brothers in. And then o'shea jackson junior this very compelling cast the most compelling choice though is inclusion of hayden christianson. he will be returning that he was going to be returning. Gus right which is so. I'm like god would have paid doing well and so the premise is that the series. It'll it'll begin ten years after the dramatic events of revenge of the city where you know Obi one had the high ground. An animals like yellow. like maude. anyway. So i don't know how they're going to include him. If it's going to be a lot of like main lauren. Work where it's paid pascall but not pedro pasco. You know what i mean. Yeah i'm i'm happy for hidden cushions. No i'm happy from i remember. You know he was with rachel bill duma and they had a baby a disney character. Yeah what her name as morale ryan gosling and they named their baby as morale that brick ralph honestly. What am i gonna be. Well at least. I should have been wreck. It ralph your. You're child but rachel visiting name. Their daughter briar rose. But he's not done anything like he went for years without making anything. It's you know it's hard. Because he got the stink he got the lucas stink on him. Gatt were. He's just doing his job. He just reading terrible. It's not his fault he didn't wanna talk about sand and how its course. Good actor No but like you know what no one put him in a good position right. This is true. So i hope he comes back. I hope he's great. And i hope love him and i hope you're still on tv. Show jamie i really do to. You guys agree this week. Okay my greenland. I have to say my first one is a podcast is a A limited series called unraveled colon. The long island serial guys if you're ugly words and listen there's been so much content about the long island zero. This was somebody who was killing sex workers in the early twenty tens in long island. But this i don't know what it is about alexis and billy the co host of this that do such a good job he billy actually is the one who produced the golden state killer. He helped patent oswal finish the book for his wife after she died before the book was finished. And so it's a great team making this man. it is the like top notch. And i prefer my true crime. Preferences are i want to hear an in depth series on one crime over many episodes rather than you know one episode a crime and this is fantastic so it is very very good at came out in january. It's finished so now. You commend the whole thing. But there may be more things to come it's unsolved. It's fantastic and then look tiktok is now where we learn about music like. This is where wesley morris and jenna on still processing episode about bridges in songs like it was so good but they talked about tiktok being the new like this is where music breaks and a artist i learned about onto. This is her her artist. Name is blue eyes be blue eyes. And she wrote a song like she shows some tiktok. She's like what if maggie rogers phibro brokers and taylor swift combined to make a song and then she sits there with her garage band records all the parts all the music all the instruments and then releases it on spotify and it is a dope like song. The summer called supposed to you. Because i was into her seven songs and they are also all fantastic. So we'll include a link to the show nights so that you can enjoy blue as as much as i have migraine. i've got. I've got greenland daylight. The first one argument the first one could be a deadline. I would say okay and you ve very green with this. So i'm I'm on your hotels. But i wanted to also because i love to so much as minority The movie it's Like so i won't belabor because you've talked about it. But i just i'll double down on what you've said. I just when i wash manar i thought this is such a great example of a story that crushes because of how it's told less about what it's telling you know and i think it's a it's a really great blend of a macro versus micro storytelling and i think going into it. I i was a little Not ignorant just didn't want to know a ton about actually go in pretty pure But after i. I'm gonna make my kids watch this because i think perfect. It's perfect for families. And i think sometimes. I think parents have a hard time communicating the complexity of like family in life to kids and kids. They have a savvy for an awareness. But they don't always have the tools to be able to talk about that. This is a movie that showcases how your parents aren't perfect. And they don't know everything and their struggle just like you struggle So i was. I was like we're gonna watch this but it's just the sweetest most pure Movie it's It it was so good. That someone i know might have put some money on it for best picture right now. Oh okay they have. They have told me that they believe in it that much. We'll see if that happens. That's the proper green light. The light that do is mighty ducks cohen game. Changers Did you watch it and like this this tv show. It's like the kid version of lasso. It is i had the trailer is really good. And there's a lot of elements. I really enjoyed There's a there's a little kid actor maxwell simpkins who was just hysterical. He was in a movie. I think i'd add led a couple of weeks. Ago called sleepover his comedic. Timing is just so just so perfect but like lauren. Graham you can take or leave or sometimes yeah. He's really good in this secretly. Emilio estevez is a very grumpy and very funny in this like super grumpy in a really charming way. But it's just the the premise if it's after failing to make the cut to join the mighty ducks powerhouse. Now they're like a whole empty in their powerhouse in their they've lost the focus on. What's actually a good and true about like sports. A twelve year. Old evan In his mother form a new team of underdogs with alborn. Bombay the ducks original coach. Who talking now and doesn't want to have anything to do with it. It's so smart and clever and we watched it Frenetic came out and we absolutely loved. You know the fun fact about this. The show runner for the show is at josh goldsmith. And josh goldsmith. I was a screenwriter thirteen. Going on thirty and it's it's just it's cute enough but not overly so ba- funny enough without being profane. It's just it. Toes the line so well i'll have to check it out. I'm really excited. 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The Popcast With Knox and Jamie

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Enneagram for the Holidays

"The most ridiculous General Party I ever went to you was my friend. Leslie Jeremy They were having their first baby and agenda. Reveal Party the DAD. The House we were at the Dad walked in determined during the middle of the party. It's Patio Party. He comes in he gets a gun out from his bedroom and he goes and he shoots gopher that's in the yard okay was part of festivities or go. The gophers insides were not pinker blew. It was just. He'd been trying to get that. Go for we GOTCHA GOTCHA and I get it. I hear it guys. It's an Alabama jury anything but just know none of this. Do you want to do you want to get somebody general parties. I've been to to my life. I feel like I could guess how many parties even to you in your whole life. I feel like you've been two zero gender of zero and I don't think I'm GonNa break that I'm not gonNa Break Street. Hello Welcome three twenty four of the podcast. I'm where your host knocks McCoy and other host Jamie Golden. You don't like the new. Hello do you like the whole. Hello is like it's kinder and Gentler one the holiday he wants to massage the people in thighs. But I like that. You're doing that anyway. The pump gases show dedicated his life Oh. ADC We're committed. Educating you on entertained but do not matter to find out more about these personality driven proceeds check us out and knocks and Jamie Dot Com. You can also find us on instagram and facebook at the podcast and we're on twitter at podcast pot guys. Thanks for joining us this week as we are going to be talking instagram for the holidays but before we do that we have a fantastic podcast. Holiday gift guide free to all of our email subscribers describe thousands of you are subscribed but we know that some of you have just not signed up yet so we are going to entice you in our new gift guide. We in through the best gifts from each of our staff a brand a new holiday product. We are launching this week. 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She is verbally consented right. Because the for those who don't know in Graham is a personality typing system based on administration for behavior there are nine types indicated by the numbers one through nine. Aaron is the three although publicly on instagram. She has said she will no longer Address any concerns related to disavow Graham. That's right and she prefers to be known as zero. I liked it instead of going for ten. She went for zero. But that's fine fine. I think it's only ten. Zero is the corporate episode. That's right so if you don't know anything if you're listening today and you don't know anything talking about any agrium can actually go to episode two eight Knox and Jamie Dot Com and you can hear US talk all about the program and what I believe to be a very scientific typic- and thoughtful way as everything we do for context You know we've done we've been on typology and we have kind of an interview. I am just a reader. An enthusiast of you've been on I know you're just a reader and enthusiasts I am I'm very committed. You are like as close to being an expert without formal training as you can get. Is that fair that is. I'm obsessed with that but I do love this. Bill has had you on as a guest in her podcast. Not Me shots fired sobbing Suzanne. I'm not taking it personally. Although I love you and I wish you were my mom. But here's the thing although already have a two MOMS have another for our business. We actually take very seriously. It's helped us communicate better with all with each other her with our staff. It helps us understand people's strengths people's challenges things we have to keep an eye on and ourselves. I think is great but the holidays are coming. And I think that's a whole other ballgame when it comes to like communicating well because the holidays although listen the holidays can be a match season where you spend quality time with those you love but those people can also drive you bonkers impromptu hot and a pantry and so how can we navigate the holidays with people who maybe are not our ingram number or our number but but the most annoying version of it. Yes and you refuse to do this. Obviously so I'll go ahead and do it you. You actually teach classes on the Graham. I lead. Yes we're not. We're not making that up like you actually are very good at it. So you know what you're talking about so you will give probably more functional advice and conversation. This updated yeah. I'll just shoot from the grassy knoll and that'll be fine but but I think you hit on a good thing like I think you know in any kind of relationship setting like you know I for me specifically actually I feel like our marriage really changed when we figured out our numbers and we we could communicate in those terms. I think going home and doing the holidays. I think when everyone has a better sense of why people do the things they do. That's good that's a good thing like you know now. I don't WanNa Kill my brother at the holidays. I don't WanNa Kill my dad. I now understand that what my dad is doing is related to his eight eight. Nah Not just for the sake that he wants to talk about the president while we're passing potato s right and when I stand in a bathroom our I'm not weird. I'm just being self-preservation self preservation. Okay that's what I'm doing so it all makes sense it alls justify so we're going to have a time where we talk about the Ingraham type numbers and Famous holiday characters that we think associate with them. And we're also you guys let the slaughter great comments on social that we're going to respond to In regards to every single number number. But why don't we start with those those fictional characters on grim numbers in general. Are you a big fan of attaching a fictional character to in any grim number normally. I doubt because any agreements different than like strength finders or Myers Briggs or disc because instead of just measuring behavioral measures motivation for behavior and. Maybe I don't know why like specifically that clearance the angel and it's wonderful life may out no clearances motivation. Sure but so it feels unfair sometimes to grab a number but we are doing it today. We're GONNA do it anyway. Whatever so Yolanda? They're not gonna get their feelings hurt because they want their fake so we're going to have fun so why. Why don't we start with a new grant ones so for any grim one? I have chosen George Bailey. Who is the protagonist in the nineteen forty six film? It's a wonderful life. Here's the thing George. Bailey is character. He's a building and loan banker. who kind of sacrifices his dreams in order to make the community better To the point point that he eventually feels like life has passed him by He is an instagram one because his motivation is to be good to be a person integrity. That's a very honesty responsibility. They're very improvement Orient them. What's difficult is you? He makes he makes some bad business. Decision Decision Yeah. That's being generous. You're being charitable ones can make mistake. It's fine but then ones of all of the numbers they have the most critical voice in their head and George's we're just wasting. His head is name clearance. And it's an angel who then reminds him all of his past and like what would happen in the future if you like. Did everything everything. Everything looked differently. If you stayed on this path of suicide yes which is the the unhealthiest one like every ideogram suicide every every inning Graham number at their worst version of themselves either Dazs by suicide or murders? Bahamas okay wow. That's quite a few options your own adventure health. That's why I'm saying but once I think can sometimes thing like they're so necessary and what I love is that George finds out what it's like if if he wasn't there which the horses that he's really necessarily is the almost sexually gratified by the fact that everything becomes this topic. He the second he goes away. Bottom Madam Shivers. Because of the need that people have for him. Yes it's true. That is absolutely right but that gives you a sense of like if you have George Bailey at your Christmas party or At your first night of Hanukkah. That's what's happening. That's what's happening and secretly my favorite part about George Bailey is A. He's the worst character in modern movie. Cinema that is not tree is the worst. He's terrible at money he sweet Mary Loves Mary loves him because she was inexplicably nude outside and before he gave her Robak he was like you got to agree to go out with me or whatever it was a real key very. He's very generous. She's she's very giving community. The community really loves him. Yeah I think that's true for a lot of wins. I do think there's a fundamental business competency and inefficiency shot with his uncle that he gives a large amount of money in the uncle. Summarily loses it very quickly. Yes I think it contributes to the self loathing with which then then I know that there are one's listening going well. I would never do that. Well you wouldn't do that but you're wing to it do it do it in your face going to. Let's go to any Graham to the draft draft chosen for the two is frosty the snowman. Now if you don't know I don't know why you know. Frosty the snowman is a fictional snowman character who exists for the pleasure and delight of children upon the occasion of snowfall. The reason frosty as a two is because he literally dies for the kids to have a little bit of fun with a snowman which arguably you don't even have fun building. I've never built a so in and been like that was dope. That was such a fun experience. You get like one hump in and you're like I have overestimated sameday southern winter. It's not really cold and so you're like I'm tired. I gotTA get frostbitten. And you're like this sucks. I'm going to make him a stunted snowman so the reason frost he literally moderates martyrs himself for the children. And you're caring for Caring Karen and you can like you can see it in the lyrics the lyrics really. Don't hide. Anything says frosty. The snowman knew the sun was hot that day. So he said let's run. We'll have some fun now before I melt away that so this lyric sequence is the quintessence of two. He's like let's have some fun but don't forget I'm going to die for you. I'm GonNa die for your fun that we can have together. Yeah because even in the movie like he and Karen are like escaping from the train and he's like get on my back and then he becomes a different person down the snow mobile now for some some reason why would they go in the greenhouse and carries like. Now let's not go and it's such a to to be like it's okay. I will die the screen all XIV for your fleeting opinion opinion of what we should do. Now that's the good that he is so service oriented That who he will give his life for some fun. The bad is that we don't see it in the text of the cartoon our team but we know that he's super needy in that he needs the kids to acknowledge. What a big deal? This is that he's doing. Oh yeah because my favorite is that when Santa in the movie when Santa shows that. CNN's like don't worry. Frosty can't die made of Christmas show and listen to us. They don't go away. I have a mother WHO's a two. She'll we'll never give up the lyrics for frosty. The snowman had to hurry on his way but he waved goodbye. Saying don't you cry. I'll be back again some day and I like that idea. The kids were like okay. We born crying like we were fine. You're just a snowman. Why do you think we're GONNA have a holly jolly soul and they're like we didn't even building you man like? We're we're kind of moving onto like Mickey Snow. Ice Cream down next is three. Aaron is not a three. She's zero the character. I've chosen for errands number. Is Clark griswold from Christmas Christmas vacation. Now here's the thing married. Father of two who is completely and one hundred percent focused on giving his family a memorable Christmas and threes. There is to feel. Loved to be self-assured charming achievers. And nobody does it. Like three and Clark. griswold has all those characteristics. A little temperamental and obsessive. That feels on brand for Erin But leading Aweso embryonic for Christmas is for Clark how he proves his value as a father to his own family like not only with the decorations on the house like going one step further or checking every single light or for for like an my favorite is like threes will sometimes go to the toxic side. which is I am going to chainsaw your neighbor's tree so that we can have a tree? That doesn't even fit in our house so that we can have a fantastic Christmas tree and it all happens like even the criminal links that he goes to you. It happens because he really loves his family. Oh so much do you think in your opinion. It is very much like a three to be like objectively cousin. Eddy sucks. But I'm GONNA tolerate him and I'm not going going to be my achieved because really like Clark is thinking about the children. You want. Eddie's children to have a fantastic Christmas because normally live in that ridiculous bike trailer right sure sure and so this is a chance for them to have a great Christmas. He cares about everybody like He. Sou He really does have a tenderness for like his family. who like can't hear sure can't see like Kerry cats and boxes and come and that's what they bring is a Christmas get? I don't know if I've ever I think I've always either seen the TV version of Christmas vacation or I saw the movie but my mom covered my eyes because I think she did for a while but when he's looking out the window and merely Maka is playing phoebe does he see phoebe. cates cates if he knew. He saw something he shouldn't or I shouldn't see. I don't know that I've ever seen that seem like how I how is the magical memory that he wants to have years. He is pushing down as a topless young girl. Yes sure that's right and so a three. They'll push down their own. Do you experience that often. I know for the Audio. Aaron is achieving our business. She can't answer this question about our type of the next type is the four The character of chosen chosen for this is Rudolph the reindeer For Context Rudolph is a reindeer who exists in a world With other flying reindeer. Yeah no that. That's it's wild right. But among all the reindeer Rudolph has a special red nose which lights up which means he's a mutated reindeer which means he's a mutated reindeer ex-man ex-man exterior kind of situation which I think is pivotal and important to the near 'em four because what we know about four hours. They need to be significant. That's right they. They need to be different. They need to be set apart. And what I love is that swore Rudolph Rudolph theory match that four vibe of like sensitive to other people not like sensitive to the environment and like what a Santa need what. My Mom Donner. Mrs Donner. Would've amy like from the from the movie like Rudolph is like I know I'm special but I'm also I'm here if you need me but I'm going to press upon you. That's right what I am because there's also a reserve nece t four is that that I really love. Yeah so the reason why Rudolph beyond the nose as a person for is because they made like you said a little bit. They maintain their identity. Seem cells different from others. They feel there are unlike other other human beings and consequently that no one can understand them or love them adequately I personally love for some Mary. Four House of a four wing The other day when it's raining raining here I was trying to look out the window. And you're trying to take a video of me looking out a window and I will share it this week on social when it rains. It's not about like the melancholy. It's like like I feel power with the rain but the good about Rudolph being a four. Is that route off. has his need for significance met and being instrumental in the transportation of Santa and gifts. Yes on the Christmas holiday. That's a big deal. The bad is that of headlight. Technology ever makes it to the North Pole. Rudolph's significance will be done. There will be no point in the Rudolf Basement. He's making sure that doesn't like an electromagnetic jammer like they have on the island of loss where he's like. This can't how it's going to happen. I Donner in the movie. Tries to put mud on Roth gnome which I feel like is often the case with parents of four. Sure they're like trying to like cover up their different mess. Yes so that they can fit in at their school or whatever and I like that it. Just guess what it's not GonNa Happen. Can I give you a fun. Fact yet in nineteen thirties culture. You're a bright red nose was associated with chronic alcoholism. So the original pitch for Rudolph was like No we don't like this. Also Rudolph has a son named Robbie who In a spin off of the Rudolph story had a beef with one of Rudolph's old ranger partners. Do you want to guess you. That is vixen close. Think German sounding name in the forties fifties. He's Hitler blitzen blitz listen. They didn't see eye to eye was not a re a reindeer. That's not a reindeer. There's also younger brother of Ralph name Rusty and Joe Defea wrote a song called Leroy the redneck reindeer that is cannon so we have nausea that. Gosh Okay Yeah. We don't want to leave out Joe Different Dole. We WanNA respect right. Okay next. Fives you are a frigging. What's up? You are super pumped about who I chose as your fictional care not true it is Ebony Zor Ebeneezer Scrooge I asked if I could use scrooge mcduck an you. You immediately vetoed that. Why did you veto that? I could not use scripture that gives to me. It's just the same story. It's just animate disrespecting the Integrity of the season and character because Scrooge mcduck is actually just just a derivative of Scrooge ebeneezer scrooge. Right it's like as we often talk about Plato's Cave Yes. Treasury dog is a shadow of Evans's avenue. Okay we'll get ebony are scrooge is obviously from Charles. Dickens eighteen forty-three novella a Christmas carol. Alright so scrooges coldhearted miser iser who despises Christmas. You said that really harshly. I don't appreciate saying in many ways. scrooges like five five are known for they want to be capable and competent. They are known for hoarding resources. Shiwei it can be knowledge but it might be money or finally gathering things that you might need later that's right and so that is very much ever Ebenezer. Scrooge is vibe My favorite is that four thousand nuns in the instagram are obsessed with with their pass. Their past trauma mutation is the past and scrooge has to be convinced by making changes in his life by first being shown the different parts of his this past that he is avoided. Oh Wow I didn't think about that's right Scrooge views himself as separate from society which is why a lot of five hang out in closet best-case scenario the bright and prefers to kind of be on the edge of it rather than be a wholehearted active member of the community they don't like scrooge doesn't processes S.'s. Emotions well which is also the case for five I'm thinking triad end and they also repress those feelings which you're not feelings repressed. I know I don't think so. But that's that's a slight difference but sometimes scrooge although he's just coming from a place of like I'm scared that there's not enough but he's coming across as rude. Yeah at times and I think that's very fair for sometimes five can be read wrong when they're actually very connected didn't care about relationships but because they're so reserved and like need all this energy recouping time they don't always always been scared. I remember a starting a life life group at Church and introduce ourselves being like I know I come off like a behold I don't I'm not but I do know I come across like that. No that's fine but here's the thing once. Scrooge goes like goes from the the low down to the highway do then. It's it's what's amazing is that he cares about serving people and he loves coming up with creative ways to serve people and I think that's very true so there's some good signs in there. That ebeneezer these are I. Think in many ways has just missed read even at his worst Eunice read. Well you know. Initially I was like that sucks. All these are fun. I'm freaking scrooges sucks. Yeah but I think thank and I think for the immigrant attractors I haven't like completely drinking cooler. I haven't drunken the KOOL aid but I think there's something there. I think there are archetypes here. That wig knowledge in fiction but that we also are acknowledged personality types I think scrooge because perfect infestation of that and I think the fact that he gets a ending where he is in health breath. He's in a healthy place as a five. I think that's confirmation of the validity of the Negro. That's exactly right okay. The next character is six. And this is very obviously Manifested manifested by Kevin. mcallister alone movies. So Kevin mcallister is an eight year old boy from Homo. For the hormone franchise who was routinely Sarcastic Eric was accidentally abandoned abandoned by his family to me. Kevin is the perfect in your game. Six because They are the most loyal to their friends and their beliefs. They will go down with the ship which is very clear in the movies. They will hang hang onto relationships. sixes are loyal to ideas system and beliefs even to believe the all ideas or authorities should be questioned or defied which is wildly true in this movie. Every we single adult in this movie should be questioned and should be defied. Yeah you know. Why has this because none of these people can he can only trust themselves? Every authority fails him. Am every single movie. That Kevin is like sixes as I have. My best friend is a sex. I like that sixes can be very reactive so so it can be very intense. Fear been very intense excitement. Particularly I actually think Kevin is a wing seven. There's this roller coaster of life. Yes I'm home alone Tony. I'm scared I'm kind of rollercoaster. I've you just don't know what you're going to get when it comes to cabinet. Yeah I think the reason why sixers are so loyal is they. Don't want to be abandoned. Dan Left without support which is their basic fear. Right which is why home alone is the perfect. Any agreements six like horror movie because its abandonment. It's like their basic sick. Fear is played out. I think the good with Kevin as he can he can cope with his abandonment by defending himself and relying zone intelligent. Competency to thrive while the authorities around him failed. The bad is that Kevin has to live in a world where his parents is. Primary caretakers are not trustworthy. The authorities routinely fail him and he's always left out of like Dobie. Experiences is like a first class trip to Paris or Miami for Christmas which sucks. I wish he would have got to go. I mean we get why he's anxious like can I give in fact homeland three Jewish home. Three I've never seen it. does not include MacAulay Culkin but it does feature Scarlett Johansson. Did you know. And she's not the main character. She's he's like a supporting character The Medicare does the kids like who cares. No one's again but There's also a pet parrot features prominently and in denying the like Web bandic corollary from what they want so like a snake in the first one a pair it in the third periods talks hawks. And everything looks like it's a big deal at next two sevens seven What a magical time? You guy you should have been recused from this since you are seven. But you're the most you're you're the best one. That's occupied outlook. Okay seven the character I have chosen is of course Buddy the Elf on two thousand. Three's Elf buddy is a human who was adopted and raised by Santa's elves he learns about this and heads to New York to meet his biological father while also spreading Christmas. Cheer and a world full of snakes. How you doing I'm just? I don't think I have explain this. But sevens whole objective in life is to be happy and that is exactly because like he's happy where he is now. There's a father and like I've had this missing piece now. I need go find him. And then I'll be even happier. Yeah like anyone who put Syrup on Spaghetti noodles just to see if it's good like just to be like like this might be good buddy. Being in New York is like that whole montage sequence. That feels like the the most seven seven. Seven's are like inherently optimistic. So the fact that he is like suddenly not his biological father is like this guy work he sees it not. There's like Oh I love you dad. I'M GONNA go from bad to you because this'll be that venture James Caan and he writes children's books and he sucks but I'm GonNa love him to. He loves new experiences. I also think that sevens are often like Jackson. Jane's of all train because like he has a lot of skill set. Does he's not as skilled as any of the other elves but he like like makes the most. I mean he's better than a lot of humans that a lot of different things. Did you see what he did to their apartment. How he decorated? Did you see how he threw snowballs. He's really good at it. Really good at it. But the problem is as with all sevens is that his belief in the in the best of people like Peter Dink Lidge like his father yes the fact that he only sees the best in people means he has a blind spot obviously in his logic that can be the problem for a lot of sevens also sevens I'm in many ways are like not listening when you're talking to them and that feels like a lot of buddy he's just like it doesn't matter what you're saying this is what we're GonNa do particularly three four. Yeah character he just ignores. Because he's like what I'm GonNa make you think it's like are GonNa sing in the shower that feels like a seven to invade aide your personal space as well not not a positive but just what it what it is. I don't how are you. I do think the scene like in a positive way. The Scene The best captures the seven of buddy is when he's sent to the mail room from James Cons Office and like in ten minutes. He's got them all singing dancing together. It was like a very seven behavior. It's like we're going to turn this around we're all convicts pedophile 's but we're choreographed. Now Rush Limbaugh. We should do that all right for the eight. I've chosen the character of the grinch. Don't like it's alright amount. I was scrooge. Let's see cool okay. The reason the grand she Is is obviously a fictional character. CREPE actor Dr Seuss. He is best known as the main care to the Children's book. How the grinch stole Christmas? And a movie manifestations of that In contrast has to the cheerful who's the grits misanthropic and mean tempered. The reason for this is a source of speculation. Some people say because his heart is too small yeah In the two thousand thousand movie with Jim Carey. There's more of an emotional motivation. But I do think that is consistent with a misinterpretation of eighths of They're just like they're just like jerks or they're a whole like it's a biological thing when really it's not For me the reason that the grinch is a perfect eight is because Eight Phil they must control control their environment so like whoville especially the people the WHO billions and To do that. They might sometimes have to become confrontational and intimidating. That's that's the grinch that feels very and it's interesting too because if you know you get the back story of how the grinch become the grandch- and if you remember when he was delivered word to his guardians. He was up in a tree until somebody found him and then but he was left out in the cold. No one came. No one came for him. That's right so he learned you. You cannot trust anyone. That's why it's very brand for eight. It's hard to get eight to trust because they just assume that the most of the world is You have to do to earn their trust. And that's that's the situation grinches like wash Cetera. Somebody when I was born no one came and fed me. No one came in federal AIDS. Typically problems problems with their tempers obvious for the grinch they have problems allowing those vulnerable Duh. There's very obvious I think. The good is that the AIDS have enormous willpower and vitality and they feel most alive when they're excising size in these capacities in the in the world. That is the same kind of thing if you WanNa Still Christmas Mike. You need a lot of willpower to do that. You need to be able to concentrate and be persistent on the thing and you're doing for evil it's like with any number you can do. You can use your powers for good or you can use them for evil and I think you see the progression of how algren cheeses it for evil in the morning and then uses it for good because he actually ends up loving the. Who's he does? And you were you reference it like in the two thousand movie The cartoons doctors. You don't really really get an ordinance orbit in two thousand movie do Jim Carey and I do flash back of the grinch like being dropped kind of Via pair shooting lands outside of a Christmas party And and the people take him in and did you know fun fact inside that House Party Holiday House Party with who billions and adults. There's a bowl containing keys use in that party. I'm sorry this was a swinger party. This was a WHO billion key parties swinger because we were at the swinger party see so automatically the grinches like y'all suck and like I should. I need to take this. No one's focused on the need here. I'm the needy. That's right okay. And finally we have nine nine within nine hundred the top about any any rim circle for a reason because they reflect back all the numbers but there are certain traits about them that made me think of only Ralphie from the maybe a Christmas story. Look he's a nine year old child. Who all he wants is to get red? Ryder Carbon Action. Two hundred shot range model air rifle for Christmas now but the way he goes about it is a very nine vibrate. I bright so he I he tells mother he wants. He tells them the logical thing. Mom I want this. I want this rifle this red writer and she's like no you'll shoot your eye out. He's like that is a fair point. Any leaves the conversation. He doesn't throw a Tantrum. He doesn't leases Mon and then he goes. You know what I'm gonNA write an essay to miss shields at about wanting a red ryder. BB Gun and she puts in the essay and the essay comes back with a C.. Plus on it and she says you'll you're out and he's like okay. You make another fair point Wayne. How else can I handle? This always working within the rules of Christmas then goes to Santa gets a little nervous when confronted by Santa Right a confrontation. Can the hospital is going to turn out. Obviously non like to avoid conflict so obviously he does not reply He was scared to say what he really wanted. And but the great thing about Ralphie that even when he's mocked by the beliefs he kinda shrug it off like he's like I have a universal focus and it's just this Red Ryder guy wants once. I don't need to get involved in all y'all's conflict. I'm focused on this but it here's the thing you can only poke at the nine for so long math. What happens and when Ralphie he does start cry and he gets angry when they tease him for crying? And then finally he beats the ish out of Scott with blow after blow and he starts cursing like a sailor which I love because I do think if you ask any non secretly I more than any other number and they are not public about it because they think it would cause a conflict. Here's here's the thing very very supportive and stable and I think you get out from Alpha. He's not a big baby about this and he is surrounded by big babies. He's I think he's a piece with his dad is like dad is inappropriate to have a leg lamp. That's very scandalous right for my sexual development but also for you. He doesn't make a big deal about it. He's really cool about it. He's really really cool about it. And so that's why I think Ralph represents the best part of nuns but then also the profanity late linemen nine. s very good. Yeah Hey guys. A quick break talked about one of our sponsors peleton worried about finding the perfect gift this holiday and says stressing out about what to give and waiting to last minute. Give your loved ones as a gift they really want give them. The gifts of Peleton Peleton is a gift. They or you treat yourself will keep on using well beyond the holiday season and with the new thirty day home trawlers even and more reason to give it a try with Peleton's thirty day trial. They can try the bike. Worry free for thirty days if they decide. It's not for them. They return the bike for a full refund. PELETON will even pick get up at no cost. Peleton is so much more than a bike. 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Stander message and data rates may apply now back to the ship. Ara Jamie that is are academic rendering of the instagram type with a holiday character. I think that was flawless purpose. So good so why. Don't we get to. You asked a question on social for listeners. About Weird needs of types. In the holidays we collected a few. Why don't we talk about those now? All right so any. Graham one at first is Jessica in Wid. WHO said if you're going to hang lights on your house for the love of all that is holy? Please hang them in a straight line. I get why she's reacting like this. I think my my question is are exterior Christmas decorations for your benefits or for other people's benef- There's definitely other people's you think so looking at them you you only looking at them when you drive in your driveway. Then you're sitting inside your house like if you put him up against it for your house I think it's for your house to be festive warehouse outside not for you to look got it is for other people to listen. Let me tell you the people who put life on the outside their house they do in that for other people disclosure. I do not do that and I know you don't do I definitely so we're we're just trying to understand better people going our house. Amazing I do think is it. Could you argue just being inefficient in her projection of expectations. -tations onto other households are the ones who are like. LISTEN IF YOU'RE GONNA do it do it right. There evaded by right and wrong. Can I ask this question. And there was a big drama in our neighborhood recently for Halloween on our nextdoor APP that I caught So some there's a house in a neighborhood that filled a section action. I'm going to just tell you what happened. You tell me if it's appropriate or Someone Inter neighborhood field a section of their big front yard with fake gravestones gravestone. Sure Was Very Halloween cares whatever they collected an assortment of baby dolls and made the baby dolls. Like the dead and put the baby dolls against the graveyard's maybe those are baby dolls for the people who had died. That was there. Maybe not when they were little there was quite kerfuffle on next door do you have like an Hoa that would come in and we definitely have at your way. Who would come in and say you can't have the baby I think? Doreen and Hank thank overruled. The Hoa though they came in with some big boomer energy and someone had been like. I don't like dead babies in in my neighborhood. Yeah Behan Doreen they were like. This is why you guys are soft. This is why your generation itself so there's a lot of fun okay. Bloomberg here's the thing I will tell you this about once. Here's here's the great thing about. Once at the holidays they are excellent gift. Givers Excellent gift givers because they listen. They're thoughtful. They've made list. They've kept up with sales. They they have given you a fantastic gift but if everything does not go exactly as they freaking plan They will lose their minds. Yeah so these are just things. Look out for us into office here I've been on the record but how much I'll have whiteboards I think the second day we've moved in Kendra Chee noted Ingraham one sent me a packet of Dryer race. It's like a nice package Irishman. Yes that's awful right. She gave me Sephora Gift Card and told me to spend on something ridiculous idea so he spoke muscle folks to our souls. Okay to our comic comes from Ellen. G Seventy Four. WHO said every year? My new need is somehow absorbed. My guilt about getting all our presents delivered via Amazon Massamba. Making our mail carriers my personal project. Last year I left baskets out with snacks and drinks with a sign for all our delivery men to take as much as they needed followed by me taking it personally Ursula when they want taking as many trees I judge. They needed that escalated to me stalking the delivery. Toms and waited in front of our window when their trucks pulled up to pop out and ask what their favorite only do that are male care. Your student started skipping our house. And we'd drive back at the very his route in an effort to avoid me. So Stu the mailman is a five. Just so you know you have created a winter wonderland you've created. Hell for him. The perfect has twos obviously are very read loving and Mary affectionate but they do need you to know that they are living in Washington. It is my mother always says like look. No one celebrates my mother's gifts to anyone more than I do. Sure it can be. y'All she gave me for my birthday. She gave me cash. She gave me to ten dollar chick-fil-a cards which I know someone gave it her biggest chick-fil-a near erroneous counts and then she gave me her. She kisses mudcake with the prospects will on. It acted like she gave me crown jewels. I reacted appropriately. Because I knew she wanted to be super pumped about that. Here's the thing. The great thing about twos during the holidays is you're gonNA feel taken care of. Yes you go to's house. There's going to be water on the nightstand. There's going to be meant. There's going to be fresh towels. You're going to be taken care of but let me tell you. They will be clinging right. You're going to have to acknowledge it. And if if not they're going to their own needs until you're in the hospital on Christmas Eve because they're having a coronary. I'm just telling you what's going to happen next. We have any three. Oh Aaron Smith. No for the audio eras left the room. She so triggered she had to talk about this okay Kelly. MCAT says as three. I must must have my Christmas cards in the mail choosy before Thanksgiving because you must receive my card. I because achievement and winning competition that I create so in the threes or do you remember when blogs were thing and someone like a big deal like John Wood posts a blog. Yeah and the first comment would be bursts. I it would literally just say I uneager three. I never knew why people did that. But now I understand and I liked the Kelly acknowledges that it's a competition that she created right. Most of the competitions that threes are in yes like cannot drive here faster than I've ever driven before I will say this I've always thought being a one sounded the most exhausting costing. Yeah but it sounds like being three is also really exhausted. Because you have like these goes competitions. They you are in. No one else knows you're in them. Here's the holidays. The three are magical because they will create amazing memories really the best marine. And if not you need to tell them they created the best and then but the bobbing is guess. What it you don't get to make any decisions at Christmas? Threes are GonNa make all the decisions and listen. You're gonNA find yourself in a callaway gardens during a light show and then yelling about how everybody's nobody's GonNa like this or else it's going to be a situation it's GonNa feel fun but also threatening but mostly fun now exactly for any reinforce we have to because as we want to honor the significance both are so unique there so we wanted to use them right. Live Davis said I need to watch either deeply emotional winter themed movie or remove that brings an intense feeling of nostalgia. I need to be wrapped in a cozy sweater holding a Mug of hot chocolate looking out a frosted window snow slowly and quietly falls and the presence I get. We'll probably not meet my expectations because I was hoping for that obscure unique item that I mentioned in passing one Tom Foremost ago. That you should have remembered because I always remember her look. I don't know that I have a lot to add but this is just the manifesto. This is a four manifesto it's the perfect manifestation of like my favorite. Is that like I have to have a moment where I can stare out the window at the snow like I can just look at the lights from the tree. And just sit and ponder it and you think like as a seven I go. Are you having a nervous breakdown moving. And it's like I'm just contemplating the sees a coziness. The next came from Magnolia may cottage he said meaningful being full memory making nostalgic experiences that I may or may not force upon each family member all tasks you get a memory and you get a memory making experience experience. I think that is. What's great about fours is that you're GonNa Remember your holidays? The uniqueness I've just like you're not going to go to the same lake light show at the zoo that everybody goes to. You're going to be like this is a neighborhood where people who survived the Holocaust now boast celebrate Christmas and Hanukkah. Okay so dear Christmas Carol for you at twelve o one right but the bad thing about four is at the holidays is that they're also going to start crying. During during that activity were all activity at some point. You're going to have a for crying. Sure maybe something that they planned was not all they hoped for. You know one of my favorite parts. About what like how Ashley in our good fit is that she makes us always get like holiday photos together. Yeah so we can always you see like you know because I don't like any photos. I don't want to do this but I like. In retrospect I now like getting to look at the photos but I would never make myself will do that so I like that. She's like here's the unique perspective and setting now that we're going to do this. I love that about him worse. Okay being Sarah Dixon. Who by the way made us our India Graham Graham mugs that we have? That's on an ad she just did. That was very sweet She wrote do not make me open presence in front of people other than immediate family in a the season of joy. I don't need the pressure every acting the way someone wants to their present. Yes this is a hundred. We don't WANNA open presence you want to do it in front of your wife your children older and maybe your parents my parents. Yes but what about like your aunts and uncles dirty like what. If you have a dirty I would rather you not give me anything because for for me to react like a the thing I want. You can't give me which is to not be here doing what I mean. Be Me having to react and satisfy you as a gift I'm giving to you. I'm not getting credit for so already. We're in the negative on this interaction. And don't like it happens if you're at a party and there is a dirty Diana China. Do you Irish. Goodbye leave. I will not be a part of this. Here's the thing. Fetch do not recommend guys the great thing about five during holidays. Is that like when you're at a dinner party you're GonNa get Great Holiday Fun. Facts not like boring backs like things that have just sad good thing about a five well well and by the way. You're not going to get that because they're not gonNA show up out of RSVP that they were coming it's a tough season. swatow is get sick in December. Because it's just over extension region. This is when your birthday is. That's right I okay so for any Ingram. sixes are comes from Leah. No Leah Doc Doc. I just need reassurance. Because here's my brain the entire month of December. What if it's those three feet and we can't go anywhere? What my kids sneak downstairs and see me putting their gifts under the a tree? What if no one likes this desert making etc etc.? It's just it's I'm glad people like this exists but they made me tired thinking gosh. Uh here's the thing I do. Think that sixes with our great out when it comes. The holidays is so great at gatherings. Because they're good at people. 'cause listen sixes are loyal that you're committed it'd if you know a six they're so committed to family so committed to their group of friends so they're getting people together but they are going to tell a Debbie Downer story at that they talk about. How many people have choked on cranberries at Thanksgiving in America? I ain't Bernice died. That died in her sleep dog August on her ear for three weeks. Thanks Leah Hudek okay. Any Graham sevens are comment comes from. It's no hassle who said there must be three or more pie options options on the table at Thanksgiving Po snap. Board Games must be involved. Elf must be watched the following day conflict must be quickly rerouted with a well-timed punchline on Pam Yours truly was my favorite memory we we're on a business phone call one time and you'd be late and you tapped in and I was yelling at someone and you immediately tried to start telling jokes and I was like no. I'm yelling and we're GONNA recognize it. I was like I was driving and I was coming into a conference conference call and I was like only been on the phone for minutes. How did it go so dark? zesty related quickly. That you guys. What's great about seven's of the holidays again? I think sevens ends. Our sweet spot is like the holidays are really good at them. Because we're going to have fun. How futile roles? Yes holidays not getting hospitals or funerals holidays wash washed up by. Here's the bad thing. We are not listening when you talk to us so you might have told us something sad and we did not hear you and we've probably either over eaten over drank or over everything so if we're gone it's because we've got to light we're hung over from all the racist trees or from all of the things wrong all right so any agreement eight are comic comes from Casey Osborne who says I have to take control of all the dumb white elephant games that are played. I don't care if my husband's family has played this certain wrong way for twenty five years. We're doing it on my terms. I'm not participating and enough with the stupid pointless gifts that were just going to throw away when we get home. If it didn't come off of my excel spreadsheet list. Keep keep it for yourself so many expectations here. I don't like this. I fundamentally hey what else then game the passion. 'cause I feel like they are designed to makes you look incompetent and embarrassed like they're designed to try to make you win something I don't but I won't because that's the stats. Don't don't don't support that the end up with the sex toy. I don't WANNA have sex toy that's one for the rest of it off over anybody publicly. You don't WanNa do that publicly. I look. I'm a wing gate and this is true for me because I want to play the white elephant game like I say we should play it Because my roles are the best. There is the potential for the most fun But I also we in our family. I decided when you're that I had gotten too many dumb gifts like pajamas that reference coffee on them and I was like. I'm done with this so so we're going to have lists coffee like I've gotten all those pajamas anymore. I've got too many coffee pajamas. And so we now all work from Amazon list and guess what everybody gets exactly what they want for Christmas. Okay like everything was throwing a play games so you draw number okay and then get three like like I get to switch the gift. The gift is after three hands of touch touched right and then if you're number one at the end all all gifts are alive. Oh trade. That's a wrinkle. I like that that's good. I love it so I will say this about AIDS at the holidays. Eight's really do make the holidays more even about themselves. 'cause if anybody's going to care about serving others during the holidays it is for sure eight but they are stirring up trouble at every single dinner table. They're just throw listen. Listen if you hear the word impeachment at dinner table I promise you an eight as the one who uttered it okay. Next nonce are comic. Comes from grace and repeat Pete who said I want to eat an entire plate of just Thanksgiving sods and nobody judge me for it. Also don't ask me what I want for Christmas. I literally don't care and if I don't like like what you've got me you will never know about the last part the most like if I don't like what you got me you'll never know. It's the my favorite thing is to buy an any. I have a few friends who are in agreements Ram Nam and my favorite things to buy them gifts. Because I know I can't mess it up. You're just GONNA crush every in a crush every time. They're going to react appropriately and then I don't have to feel bad when they don't even use it end of interaction in the trees. I also love that like grace and repeat. It's the quintessential non thing to be like the thing thing I'm gonNA fight for At the holidays is don't make me put Turkey on my plate because there are people out there. I don't know what it is. It's like Oh. Did you not try the deviled eggs. Why didn't you try the doubled eggs? I made them myself like they're really good. Jimmy get you one number is that is that an eight feels like an eight. You know what I what I use he or she like over these deviled eggs because I made them with my ask you to do that. Okay what I do. I eat like three giant plates evangelist Broccoli Salad and get full. Oh and never get anything else and leave me alone. Let me do Turkey you want him. I want him to fully eat. Is the thing non of the holidays. What I love about them as they are all or nothing? They're either making pause playlist movie nights with hot chocolate or they are in bed for the entire season. There is no in between with nonce. Like that's all there is because they then no matter what they're in bad at the end if they ever did it. They're like weird the Nongo they're they're they have now gone down for the winter actually respected along. Okay guys that's conversation on Instagram for the holidays. We hope we represented every single number as well as you wanted us to. 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Let's see what is your red light this week this week. I just think it's time you guys I'm GonNa read gender reveal party. Here's the first thing anyone you invite your gender reveal party other than the partner with whom you're having the child that's the only person who wants to come to your party Nobody wants to come to your General Party. We barely want to come to your baby show. It's like telling someone by your instagram or your fantasy team. They really don't care they really don't care but here is what is happening happening guys. I don't know if you've followed the news but people are now dying. A gender reveal parties okay like in September. There was a small plane that was flying over the town of Turkey GI taxes. That's a real place and it was set to dump about three hundred and fifty gallons of pink colored water and the plane crashed. Okay so that's the first thing this fifty six year old one from Iowa with killed by debris from an explosion during a gender reveal party because they said that they inadvertently her family members. Who invited her to this time party that she did not even WanNa come to? They inadvertently created a pipe bomb a device that would shoot colored gunpowder out of a stand is what are we talking about here and finally there was even a gender reveal like in two thousand seventeen that started a wildfire which burned forty five thousand acres and cost more than eight million dollars in damage. Look living as easy. Gender reveal parties are harder to do and as a reminder for og podcast listeners. Either Autho Jenner. Ville parties initially were when people would transition their sexuality and have a party about it. I didn't understand listen. I think that's actually the way it should be. How about this? How about we have parties without explosives? That's my pitch to you know pipebombs. We don't talk. My Red Lights concerns. Emma Watson Emma Watson has their mind. You're coming for her mind. No her money's perfect and I love her Miami but the Asu portrayed her she is getting into to that annoying space of like everything is transcendent sharply. Everything is meaningful and I have a purpose to bring crater in emotional intelligence to everyone on planet earth. She's leaving books. People should read on the subways and I just I want her to calm down and focus Assan acting. Because I'm not even sure that she's mastered that BA recently There's a big to-do. There's a big buzz. Because she revealed that she's self partnered partner bright. You explain what that means they. She thinks she's self partner because she's single but she doesn't like the term single because she feels like it carries a lot of negative weight. Wait so she decided to say that she is self part so like when boomers make fun of our generation. Yeah sometimes that's dumb. You shouldn't do that but but then when they make fun of this. I'm like you know you got it over. This is dumb. This is really really dumb. No it's so dumb. She's the person who back in the day. Like five years ago. Launched the are shared shelf. Because she was like you guys Diani you can read like there's reading I'm going to like bring it around so you guys understand that reading's important girl the only reason you're famous Mrs 'cause people read they read the books of the movies that you were adapted into you like people read like you're not the first person to the greatest which of your generation and now you're ruining Watson wants to forget we remember that it's baby banks we will never forget those dumb baby banks. I used to like him now. They're so stupid because your ideas are sue but this is like when Mark Ronson. I don't know if we ever talked about it on on the more you know for a patient of supporters but he was like I'm sapio sexual. I'm just sexual attractive. Smart people guys. Not Everything's thing that every single and that's great that's cool mellow my daughter. When she comes up she wants to be single? That's great that's great so happy you don't have to call it partnered. Just say you're single coming little lake single great again all right which agreement this week some agreement this week is the book miracles and other reasonable things. My Era Bessie. Here's the thing so this book I started it and then I was like this. These were too heavy into and I was feeling too many things in his inaugural summit. I put it down and then she went to Rome in the book and it was fantastic. It's a it's a kind of part memoir part like spiritual guide died It's about her journey of learning and relearning God and look you guys. It is so fantastic. The crazy part is she. She's such a good writer. I kept thinking like some chapters would be better. And then there'd be a chapter that was like a weekly would be like. Well she found in this job. Yeah she never found in a chapter guy she ends with the benediction action. That like broke me as a person and I was like no more reading therapists like I didn't like it as it may be feel very vulnerable. But it's all about the process of her. She was in a car accident. She ended up with chronic pain. She weirdly goes to see the pope. Okay as one does hijinks ensue. Yeah so it is is a fantastic. I mean really truly. I think it's a great gift for people like. If you're looking for like what's a book I can give to people that they're not going to think I'm trying to change their lives. Yeah this is a beautiful like you can get drawn under the story but you also can walk away with like a very calmer greater sense of who god is. It's really great. We're we're talking before recorded and it tells you I haven't read it because I'm I'm scared to yeah. I'm intimidated that I'll read and be like I should quit. I should never write another word. Because he's that good of a writer all feel about some writing eating like you go. I'm going to be jealous of the SPA. There's some people that it's like. I don't WanNa read them because I'll get sad. They will make me. They're not trying meat sears Craig. She'd never tried many feel bad about myself but she's so good at what she does that. She makes me feel bad about myself. And I mean that is a compliment. Migraine is actually your green light to Kobe. Oh my gosh because we both saw this yesterday. I it's the movie parasites we've been talking about this. I feel like you brought up in. The movie. Previews has won the palm orange. Pumpkin at can that's right and this I I was a little hesitant. I didn't do my research so I was like. I don't know what this is. I really don't know what this this is about. I noticed in the previews law. Scary movies didn't love that of this scare moving because it feels like a scary scary movie. It's not really a scary movie. Two tenths movie but This movie met every expectation I had. It is heavy subtitle movie which I feel like some people need to know about namely you mainly guys. I do not like to read my movies is your it really upsets me because then I feel like I can't watch what's happening because I'm always having to like read. What does that mean? What are they saying but this it did not matter? It didn't matter so it takes the The protagonist is really a protective family. Their family who lives in semi basement. They're kind of CONMMAND CON Woman Ajay's and they start to Griff to A wealthy family name the parks who live in this amazing house and they ingratiate themselves into their lives and into the different jobs required to uphold the parks data. Do they live It's I think it's a couple of different movies as a thriller it's also A come to class. Oh it's a beautiful satire. It's a it's it's like a secretly it's a referendum on masculinity. I think fatherhood a little bit. So it's by Bong Jun Ho. I hope I'm saying that correctly. Yeah but he's also he was the writer behind Snow Piercer and amazing at bear some resemblance to the it does in terms of class but It so it's a great story. It's shot incredibly incredibly. Well it's so cinematic as well. That was what surprised me about. It is that I'm used to us. I mean what is of yarn film feeling very like foreign like I'm not gonNA enjoy it. Visually and this was stunning. If this because I feel like this shares a sensibility with let me get. I think it's the gift with Joe. Edgerton and Jason Bateman okay. I've just really Nice House. There's tension but there is is a cinema this movie. That didn't feel like there was a gift. Just some of the shots where you see a kid looking out the window. I just thought it was really really good. I don't know if it's going to be wide. Release I do think. It's going to get Oscar buzz. Listen this is a movie that people are going to be talking about like it. 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Zeke Signs, AB to the Patriots, and Week 1 Preview With Bob Lung

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Zeke Signs, AB to the Patriots, and Week 1 Preview With Bob Lung

"The guys welcome into fancy in sports podcasts. This year host of aac are today. I'm privileged to be joined again a bob lung who is the author of the award winning fantasy fantasy football consistency guide available on amazon so basically before beginning the podcast with bob long. I'm just gonna quickly. Discuss zeke news has that happened in between when we recorded an currently zeke was indeed finally signed behind the dallas cowboys i ending a hold out that span for months and months and the numbers are reported are six years ninety million dollars which makes him the highest paid running back in n._f._l. History along with fifty million guaranteed dollars now there are rumors reward by rotor world zeke. We'll be on a snap count so it's definitely some interesting to consider if you drafted maybe top three rounds running backs than you may consider considers sitting zegers starting am in your flex or something that but otherwise zeke should definitely be a starting cowboys running back who towards the end of the game he likely won't play if the game becomes outta hand which is definitely something that could happen by against the giants so it stephanie we easy match up for them but there is a potential for him to be taken off the field just in preventive injury cases so he's have no not going to be ranked as highly as he usually would but regardless. He is my number one fantasy running back now i do. I think he'll finish there with the week. One issues there there is a possibility that he finishes just outside the number one by think he's locked and loaded toffee ryan back in. I think he's the only one who could definitively say that about. I think saquon his offense that he's initiatives <music> atrocious and the amount of stock boxes he'll face. It's in reported. I've looked back last year that the amount of sock boxes he phase this wasn't inordinate wasn't excessive <hes> compared to the league average on this year without oh b._j. U._i. manage a year older are there wide receiving corpses decimated the one starting receiver that usurious <unk> is was injured previously in strong shepherd <unk> suspension so it's definitely semaine to keep an eye on and in case kamara on a._m._c. a._m._c. I think it's also a locker top-five. Possibly chimeras welcome arrive a few red zone concerns because he is one of the best red zone backs in the league but but so is latavius murray's who they brought in in although kamara figures to see some more touches because i don't believe tavis murray is as talented as mark ingram <hes> i think that his red zone will take away some of those more high quality touches from kamara or have them playing both towards words of closer to the random so there is a potential for some touchdown numbers which is officiency has been off the charge slip past couple of years to come down but regard this back to zeke zeke is locked and loaded as one of the best running backs guys he regardless of format and is definitely someone view got him towards the end of the first. I started a second round seventy someone. You're feeling very confident about now even if you miss on him honestly disney bad because the a._d._p. Did on him was at max of full round at a point so it's not it's not horrible for your fancy team. You could definitely live with with the fact that you don't have zeke a given that michelle roller coaster must've been tone which i have owned middle all the because i as i've been saying all along i i didn't think zeke would miss a single game <hes> to hold out and he was still within my top four picks <unk> pigs now on the contrary contrary melvin gordon which will be talking about a bit later in this park as looking pretty bad for him but i'll leave that to the remaining portion of the podcast another note is this park outside we cut off but jared goff was signed to extension that makes him the large <unk> largest contract for a quarterback lack for any position by extension that quarterback position. He is the highest paid in n._f._l. History which everyone knew that he was gonna get an extension. He's proven to be a very good quarterback in the n._f._l. Done a lot of good for nineteen took him to the super bowl last year but it is something that gave him mind especially for dynasty when you have all these contracts coming up with cooper cupping guys like and you already have so much money guaranteed to todd gurley and to jared goff so and especially also that defense that defense has a lot of money locked and loaded with aaron. Donald <unk> keep in remind brian cox has a far better contract because he's there for twenty twenty three season so he's locked in loaded with that team so he's someone you know is going to be on the high powered offense for years come so he may be the preference in dynasty although in redraft after i actually have him ranked the lowest of all the wide receivers out woods than cup in a kooks are back to back out <unk> prefer to have the the p._r. Targets and the high volume of targets over the slightly boomer bus nature of brandin cooks with this deeply promise right so now we're going to get back into the pockets with bob long again. It was just because on the news is outdated from the time recording the time of adding this publishing this so let's get back into record so let's just move on half <unk> shawn mccoy who signs at the chiefs after being cut from the <unk> all damien williams one hundred dollars right there they just shuttered because it definitely doesn't look good for a damian williams so reports are they're going to be in timeshare so how how does that impact that whole offense including darwin thomson. Can you be dropped now. Just what are your. What's your perspective on that often well. You know i haven't uh-huh. I wasn't a fan of of daime williams at all. I mean if you were to seen my if you've got my book on may first when it came out you would read that. I was not a fan of damien williams. I didn't think he was gonna make it. Through the season as the main is the number one starter. I was actually kind of. I kind of like carlos. I and i still think he's gonna do much much better in houston people think but you know so when they traded hideaway. Everybody thought that's it. You know damien. Williams is the man they're going to you. Know let him be the the cowbell back there and you know and bring tar darwin thomson up slowly and then of course the next day leshan mccoy gets traded there and you go oops. Maybe not so. I just don't believe that the chiefs believe dart damian. Williams is the bell cow back. I think they think he's a good player and and i think that if they can keep his legs fresh he will be a very good player <hes> but i think they're going to mix mccoy and thomson are darmon garmin tommy thompson here and i think it's going to be a mess and i don't want anything to do with that backfield but i love having patrick mahomes or tyrique your we're travis kelsey because at least having a decent running game even if it's a committee is going to keep the defense honest and i think that's what all this is about is is that you know this team is gonna live and die with homes at the helm and very fantasy relevant like they were last year. <hes> you know it may not be kareem hunt doing the job but they did very well with <hes> damian williams down the stretch last year but that was only five games he played in so that's why i think that they realized that maybe he's not a the workhorse back and i just think that it's going to be a messy backfield and i want nothing to do with it. At this point now you know now obviously they have one of them and one of them gets hurt. The other one could jump into a great situation but you know i have a feeling it's going to be messy after me had that that timeshare i mean it's going to be a if anyone could win out. They're going to be definitely a great role but hon. I've just predicting that it's very difficult right now and yeah go ahead. I'll just say timeshares can work. I always remind people that you know that alvin kamara and and yeah i swear in mark ingram had a very nice timeshare and both were very consistent in that timeshare they were both over seventy five percent so it can work but the the team has to make it work and the players have to make it work so you know that's what it's gonna. Come down to who is can you trust them being equally shared during the game or is it going to be a well dino williams's hot today so we're gonna leave him on the field. Jordan mccoy gets nothing in the next week. Mccoy gets more of the touches because williams's tired. I that's what i don't know until you see it happen and that's what makes it very risk at this point and especially like in the alvin kamara mark ingram situation. Obviously there are a lot more talented than this juice backfield <hes> they rescued different people to i mean you know kamara was the pass catching back. You know thirteen not necessarily third down but you know did a lot of you know went out in the slot and that kind of stuff off where ingram has more the power back you know mccoy. Williams and thomson are all the same player. They're all basically a scat backs. Mccoy can run a little bit stronger stronger than the other two but they're all they're not power backs of any kind of stretch so i think though all wear down and mccoy's not getting younger so i think this is going to be one of those words kinda messy and you might get lucky if you got one in one week but it's gonna be hard sell a pen dollar thing is that the saints are a lot more comme into the run game. If you look at <hes> just sheer amount touches that backfield's it's far more than the offense <unk>. I mean a big with good reason. The ryan packs for the saints are among the best in the league and the chiefs right now. Don't have a really good running back or but i'd say that there it is a chance that damien williams becomes a good value but mainly darwin thompson. I just think he's the most talented at this current stage of all the three rang bax. Exclaiming williams in the past with miami wasn't really great running back a shady last year career low three point two yards per carry darwin thomson listen while the most elusive bax coming out of college definitely show that he can be a good running back in the n._f._l. So i think that darwin arlen thompson if they factor them into timeshare and andy reed's basically looking for which backs gives me the best chance to win eventually entry. I think darwin thompson could take over and beata lead back but i just think that's gonna be so far down the road. I'm still willing to draft him. Definitely won't drop him but he's gonna be going very late in-draughts now so i'm going to pick them up with my last couple of picks may be so sure oh definitely asa. Let's move on to our main event week one preview. We're gonna go through these matchups. Maybe not all of them just for time sake but market mock it is a bit short so let's start with the first matchup on those any will any tips on who to attack who to fade would just move along cheese for sag wires. I think this one's pretty obvious it just the chiefs. Running game is the story intrigues me here. I just wanted to see how this woods workout. If dormant towns gets any run because that could foreshadow later in the year <hes> andy reid seeing his talent making him the lead back anything else you see in this game obviously jags defenses dances very good so <unk> as in check well. It's interesting because i know the one thing we've heard for the last week is that <hes> the jags are going going to a shadow basically tyree kill with. Yes can't think of his name either man. I'm having a bad night tonight. <hes> star cornerback john ramsey jalen ramsey thank you jalen ramsey is going to shadow instead of staying on one side. He's going to shadow and follow tyreek. Hill that in itself should be fun to watch because you've got pure speed against a very good defensive back in say in jalen and but they move around so much and you know with with pick plays and stuff. It's it's hard to focus on just one guy at offense because even if he does that sali's tariq travis kelsey in in sammy watkins and in the backfield will go crazy. I think i think the cheese smoke these guys butts. What's the jags really fell apart the end of last year defensively and didn't really prove anything <hes> they may. Maybe they'll come out the chip on her shoulder but <hes> <hes>. I have a feeling that it's going to be <hes> a little bit. <hes> at least it's at jacksonville so that may be a little bit more love there but that was in kansas city. I don't don't think it'd be it would go as well god. The chiefs offense is like cheat code man like you have tyreek on one end and you have miekel harming the other <unk> like yeah. Oh that'd be interesting to see what they do with meco hartman and his offense if they use him more than we think <hes> you know. Will he start taking sammy watkins place on the other side. I mean i've never been a fan of walk ins anyway <hes> but you know i again on the other side chiefs. Defense is terrible <hes> so you know <hes> will the jags be smart. Martin used for net allowed to run the ball. Keep the chiefs offense off the field so i think it's gonna be that's gonna be a game. That's going to be fun to watch on the replay because i'll be at the browns game him so i won't be able to watch it every chiefs game front. Her was just seeing that offense. Go like mahomes has so many different options. Yeah i yeah i can't just see like the jalen ramsey thing is really interesting because john ramsey want a really good cars great cars in the league and someone someone who's very outspoken as well so hopefully get some good commentary added that one a story lines with when you have tyreek hill so fast against rondo skill coroner's. It's gonna be interesting. I personally don't think that john ramsey can keep up. I think even if they shadow him he will still break free for at lease one big cash but definitely something. I really wanna watch n._f._l. Fan even over fancy so next <unk> discuss. The falcons versus versus vikings for me. I'm fading matt ryan bid here just because actually i'm not sure if it's in a dome. Do you know you know if it's in a dome or not well. That's a good question. Atlanta is at minnesota. They're not a dome anymore right. I forget the officer shop here. Yeah i think i think the vikings still have a at least a dome that they can open and close. It may be open but i think they can open and close it. I know that i know the big thing was matt. Ryan is going to play thirteen games in a dome this year between playing at home and playing on the road so i know he's almost every game he's playing in a dome does soom it is but that should be another fund when watch i mean. You've got to very high powered offenses. <hes> i can see that one being the vikings defense is a little bit better in the falcons but again. There's so many weapons on the falcons that you have to stop <hes>. I just think it's gonna be kind have a crash into one of those shootout games. Just like you know like the the saints in the texans will probably be on monday night. <hes> you're gonna see a lot of offense. <hes> you know it'd be good to see davos. Cook play more than three games a year so let's hope that you know he stays hot up. I drafted him alive leagues. I had a lot of faith in him even though he's always kind of hurt me with his injuries but i think both teams will be putting a lot of points in that one and for me. There's a lot of different storylines obviously some of them m._r. as big fancy but just stuff that i wanna watch out for one of them into the viking stadium point parents deaths unlike translucent roof so against <unk> definitely good <unk> listeners down the reason why this is a point that we're bringing up because matt ryan historically within the dome mm-hmm has been far better windsor crazy with in a dome so it's definitely a good sign that he's in a dome for <unk> eleven or thirteen games this year which is that's pretty insane so rudd say that some storylines i'm watching our vikings <unk> offensive distribution between the wrong game pass game after the new o._c. Oh see came in last year. They definitely turned to become more running style offense so definitely something i wanna watch they're also the role of alexander madison <unk> talk-up mass in quite a bit took him third round. Everyone thought it was reach. It could just be deptford <unk> but it may be eh some <unk>. Murray was years past so he could exist for the purpose of hurting alvin cook but also just making sure dowden cook doesn't get hurt definitely makes sense to try to moderates touches of these early with alvin <unk> there so but he came out logical end of the year and and was very strong so that's something good for cook so next. Let's talk about the ravens versus dolphins what here like obviously for the football hideout. We wanna watch but for fancy. There's definitely some intriguing storylines there. Yeah i think i mean obviously you know today. They announced kenyan drake was number. One of the deaf charts caleb lodges number two. I mean i think that's just because he's the veteran versus the younger player i think they both i still think kenyan drake has more talent than balaj. <hes> is question of staying staying healthy <hes>. He's got to prove that you know this is his job to lose and in he needs to go out. Oh but the problem is you're going up against one of the better run defenses in the baltimore ravens so <hes> that's gonna make it tough for them. I think lamar jackson is going to go lake like crazy against this team from defensive standpoint or offensive standpoint. Normally i don't have lamar jackson in any league sev one and that's a league were the passing touchdowns are only three points but the rushing touchdown wow so that changes things a lot and that's why i have you menelik. That's the only reason so you know it's it's a big deal so if he runs for two touchdowns at equivalent of four passing touchdown so definitely <hes> having been going to start him this week over jared goff <hes> but aficionado but you know that's you know but that's it. I mean even if you know if russia's for one hundred yards in two touchdowns and throws for one hundred twenty in mark ingram. Just you know the the run game controls the game. I think this is a blow out in a low scoring game. I i would be surprised. This game ends up to be like you know <hes> sixteen to two full you know sixteen to three or something yeah <hes> so this is going to be a real real boring smartphone. I eh for me some things. I wanna watch or kenyan drake purses count the lodge in the ravens usage of justice hill they cut candidates in from from the roster for the fifty three man so i kinda wanna see if justice hill has daniel value in this offense with mark ingram up perhaps as more of a third down back and just kind of want to see how he does in the n._f._l. Kaz rookie just wanna see how he acclimates there so next week the titans browns who who brown's. It's gonna be a first time. We're seeing them with this new core together so that's some definitely some interesting. I think you're particularly keeping your eye out for well. I'll be keeping my a._o._l. Because i'll be sitting in the stands so luckily one of my vendors take me to the game pretty excited about it. I think that the browns are going to come. Come out in this game. It just blow the titans right out of the field because the hype is gonna be phenomenal. I really think freddie kitchens is going to try to run. The score core up quickly on undestand because they know that <unk> marcus mariota is not going to bring them back from a from being a big deficit. You know there are run first first team so they're gonna want them not to have to run so i could see kitchen coming out with a lot of trick plays bombs just trying to get off to a you know seventeen point twenty point lead just to keep the titans pretty much check and i think it's gonna get ugly. This browns defense is one of the better defenses in the league that nobody he knows about their offense are their defensive line is probably top three <hes>. They've got denzel award. They've got a you know a really good louis linebackers as well. This team is is going to come out fired up in with this crowd. I don't you know i live in this area and the <unk> browns fans gets get would get hyped up for game one when they sucked they don't suck anymore so i just have a feeling that this this is just gonna be the crowd the enthusiasm with mayfield. I think this is going to be a blood. I think they're going to just beat down. The titans like there's no tomorrow <hes> <hes> i would i really i have derrick henry a couple of leagues that i'm really worried about starting him <hes> but i would start every brown you have this week. I don't care who you got. I'd be terrified starting derrick henry just because he can't catch the ball right. I have diong theon louis. Louis might be the best guide to start this week for z to be honest with you. I say dan lewis. I'm view leagues and a couple of those are just for experimental. I kinda win very late running back on debating flexing him in a couple of leagues just because i think that the times are gonna get down. I think that a marcus gets mario. China is really able to keep them in the game. They're gonna get down and then they'll have to shift away from derrick henry. Go to dion on this and just try to pick up yardage that way also people are so if you are a threat right there for me no huge storylines in this game that i really want to watch more just just n._f._l. I guess about a name wounded. Nick <unk> dontrelle hillier just see if any passing game work carr's <unk> any major passing work is taken up by dontrelle hilliard because nick job is skyrocketed off the board draft words recently because does of duke johnson leah team with good reason. Nick job is definitely shown that he can pass catch when he received opportunity for us. One of the good ryan backs ax in the league like a percent catch rates so definitely some. I'm gonna keep an eye out for their can. Can we just skip over the next one on the west. Please bills versus jets abuses now. I think the ravens dolphins will still be the most boring. The bills jets <hes>. You know what there's some entertaining stuff here and i'll tell you why because you got le eon bell. You've got seven single terry probably taking the rains here for the bills. <hes> you know it's kind of a cross state rivalry kinda thing between the two teams that's inter- division <hes> interconference conference our intervention whatever you want <hes> you know neither one of these guys. Neither one of these teams are gonna make it to the playoffs but i think they're both young young and upcoming teams and <hes>. I think there's some good players. There and i think there's a lot of little things to watch you know will sam darnold. Take that next step. He's certainly looked much better in the preseason that he did last year. <hes> they got him some weapons. They've got levy on <hes> you know the bills with josh allen and single terry and and they got some wide receivers not great but these wide receivers so they got a pretty good defense on both sides of the ball so it could be a slugfest it could be a thirty thirty one twenty twenty eight game to who knows but i i think i think it's going to be more fun than people give him credit for for me. I really don't want to watch <hes> <hes> <hes> like what i'll just boil my d. s. t. picket fear in the deeper leaguer. Just wanna look for some industry. The jets defense this week is someone i'm looking at just because josh allen inconsistencies. I just don't think they have a really good offense. General storylines wise. I'd probably focus on devon sanitary versus frank or some people would say the bill's passing or receiving core <unk>. I i don't have any exposure to any of them in any drafts. I'm i'm just down on that whole team. Muslim are on the waiver wire anyway so i could always pick them up if anything shows but yeah. I don't like john braunau like any of those guys bajarin. It's worth to note that last year was the wide receiver eleven through week seven which people seem to forget that with joe flacco early people are picking him up be restoring them certified receiver to and there's definitely some great for seven weeks until lamar jackson took over in that in every on the offense except running backs in the mar himself became merav but that that's just something to keep an eye on next. Let's talk of something that i personally would a a lot more like to talk about in the eagles the redskins for me. I'll just say mine upfront mal sanders versus jordan howard. I'm intrigued to see how that backfield turns. In guys versus adrian peterson versus chris thompson chris thompson obviously again take some of the receiving work but one thing that was interesting now is i wrote a world in other news sites reported that is going to be dee dee leader in that backfield thompsons gonna take some work but a._p.'s just backup two guys and if that's true then guys is poised to have a monster year at his a._d._p. So it's definitely something i'm gonna watch. The team is a whole gonna stink though so that the problem you're going to have is you guys comes out. You know first off coming out against the eagles is going to be you know a tough tough road to hoe but the the problem you're gonna have is if guys start breaking out a little bit the defenses for the teams after that are just gonna it'd be like okay well then we'll just stop guys and and see if case keenum were dwayne haskins can beat us and they're not going to so that's what i'm afraid of his guys could start off hot what and then defense will just adjust stack guys in the box and stop guys in and then that all stops because the passing game is not going to scare anybody. <hes> you know they have no have their. You know they've rarely have. They only have a deep threat. I mean jordan reed is probably the best catcher vast catcher and that's that's good but that's not great great so i have guys a couple of leagues one's a keeper league. I'm kind of waiting for them to kind of. Keep building the team. He'll be two years down the road. It'll be like a stud thud but <hes> certainly talent. I just don't know if there's enough talent around him to stop teams from some from keeping him in check and deva wanted the banner handcuffs in the league is a just given guys history not going to be a great offense but last year a._p. Was definitely started a._p. The thousand yard runner last year the question's going to be is will it will peterson will peterson's ego s- keep him on the sidelines for more than three games because we all know what happened in new orleans when he got put on the bench and got put behind kamara those guys <hes> you know after three or four games he wanted he wanted to traded raided out so that's what i'm afraid of. Is that after three or four games. If he's not getting enough carries he's gonna ask for trade cause havoc again and that that would be my i fear and just breaking news from amp shafter now hit isn't the zeke news as as much as i would wish but it's just compensation reputation. Jared goff is earning one hundred thirty four million dollars in one hundred ten knowing guaranteed which is a n._f._l. Record that's just outside aside football. I think that when you tied that much money to quarterback especially given that isn't the elite tier backs. I just think it it really has straps. Apps your team in the fact that you can't build around him. So by the time it comes up for cooper competent these guys i think they could pay him but seven or eight something they they had to extend him at some point definite quarterback that warrant that but given him more money well then again we didn't i mean especially. Would you see a team like minnesota. Give all the money they did. Two cousins in cousins did nothing and then how do you sit. There is another team ago. Well then. Let's let's give even more money to jared goff. Who who couldn't win a super bowl last year because gurley was hurt if you can't win super bowls and you're not elite talent. You don't delete money. I mean i just don't understand dan. These teams sometimes but again. It's a it's a different world will probably never understand and dak prescott earlier turning down thirty million dollars a year ear like god thirty million dollars a year old skis definitely not that good gay gimme thirty dollars. I'll be happy it is so yeah anything you have to add about the redskins eagles. Maybe <hes> i think right now the biggest concern turn i have is are they going to play because right now. That hurricane is due to turn up north and be in that area on on sunday so giant's game the eagles game. There's a lot of east coast games. That could be very very ugly weather. If this hurricane goes at the pace of going and i don't anybody talked about this yet but i saw it today and i was like wait a minute. That's going to be there sunday. That's the that's the giants gain. That's the eagles game. That's like <hes>. I think the jets play at home <hes> could be the jets game now buffalo's at the jets so the jets jets games going to be affected <hes> washington phillies at philly so that's close enough. It's actually a little farther in might be better. That's in philly. You've got the see who else is on the east. Coast are jets buffalo. We talked about <hes> chicago. Arizona oakland giant's game. That's in dallas so they're good. They're okay yeah so maybe only a couple of games. That's more than i thought god. I thought there might be three or four of them but looks like maybe just to. Maybe the philly game being a little more inland might not be too bad. He might get a lot of rain though and that's not gonna help you. You know high powered offenses like the eagles so but <hes> yeah should be definitely everybody. Keep an eye on that one. See what the weather's going to turn out especially if you're you know doing d._f._s. and stuff like that. Were you know you might want to take some of those guys in and out depending on the weather forecast so let's just try to run. Hurry hurry up offense on the the next few here just to get through it. So ram's panthers have anything no. I mean it's really gonna be like i think you said it best. You have written down the vest girlies health. You know how long how many terry's touches he's gonna get how many he's going to get. You know how much in the game's gonna play who they are. Gonna split with henderson is at brown. I mean so yeah. That's definitely going to be the key there. I mean the panthers of the panthers. We know pretty much what you're going to get out of that offense next. We have the coats in chargers. This one i two contrary <unk> spend a bit of time on marlin max's name hindsight it's because i think that this is something under reported in the fact that ed the colts are going to be down a lot in this game and i think that jacoby reset is willing to target lyme hines out of the backfield. If he's if he's there i think you'll stick with more shorter yardage in his first couple of games here so i think offense if the codes get down than name hines may be sneaky play in deeper leagues especially n._p._r. So what do you think about marlin. Mac versus name is is in this. I mean the positive side for the colts that they do have a pretty good defense so i could see this being more of a close game where there might might be a lot more grinding out. I don't know if they're going to get down too far because again to charges. Don't have melvin gordon either so so. I think you know in both cases. You've got offense. Both offenses are affected by missing player. You know culture missing now. I andrew lock in charges are missing <hes> melvin gordon. They both have good offensive an pretty good defenses so i don't know if they'll be down enough. That himes will get that much work but you never know again. Things can happen but but i think i think i think mac is definitely the number one. They're <hes> we'll get most of the carries and if the game stays closed you know but i think they'll mix heinsohn i think hines will you always have the potential to get those three to four catches for thirty forty hours a week. It's not great but it's it's. It's something if you're looking for like a low india fest guy has the <unk> someone who maybe you could look at india festive. You're going expensive. <unk> options don't have the deal has pricing ray in front of made but the probably pretty low nine hines considering the fact that andrew lock retired so next week bengals seahawks for me quickly tired lock. It's target chair. There's nothing really else. I think chris carson. They've already said he's going to be the workhorse here. On one interesting know about the bengals they extended extended today giovanni bernard they paint him some pretty good money his father five million dollars a year two years for ten million and that that's actually it. That's a that's actually some under reported news because i feel like if you're paying i think it was like five point. Six five point six year is good money for backup phone back like melvin gordon's making right now on his option so that's definitely something that's i feel going under reported. I still think make sense sounds like the guy there. I just think maybe bernard is poised for a larger role in the passing game than we previously thought well. I know they wondered that <hes> what was his name rodney anderson to be the backup and then he what he'd do blood as a._c. Our something he was done so my thought is that's probably why they signed bernard like i think of anderson could approved himself worthy. I think that they probably would have cut bernard. Let him go elsewhere but <hes> you know i think <hes> i think they did what they had to do to have a solid backup. The understands the system so next we have the giants cowboys all boys. I mean the cowboys. It's obvious it zeke. If zeke will play <unk> for me also amari cooper amari cooper pretty under reportedly has been suffering with <hes> planner fasciitis which i mean you're basically and it's something that has been fairly difficult for <unk>. Some players like greg olsen last year said that although he's had numerous injuries of the planner fast she is coming was causing some of his worst pain that he felt emirates definitely something like amari says he's played through before in his rookie season. I believe so that's something good but it could be that michael gal breath. I think michael gallup right now value. Who's the cowboys <unk> number two wide receiver. I think he's a value in draft. Just 'cause one you already have amari cooper it with boom-and-bust boom-and-bust potential <hes> every week but second if amari struggling with any injuries michael gallup figures to be the number one if mardi mrs anytime they definitely end i. I've never been a fan of amari cooper so i i don't own him on any team and probably never will <hes>. He's always going way too high. In my opinion based on the actual consistency production he puts out there but <hes> i think <hes> on the other side of the ball the giants. It's going to be continue to be <hes> ken. Ken barclay continue to be the best the best running back in the n._f._l. Even though the team around him is not very good i mean at least last year at o. B. j. sterling shepherd and and all them there to kinda help. Take the pressure off now. You have no o._b. Jay golden tate suspended for some games. I think sterling shepard's healthy <hes> so you no will the cowboys put eight nine boxin in and just locked barkley up could happen and it could be a problem so we'll have to see how that plays out as well and going to sink one last year the giants people perceive them to be a lot worse office than they were but magically. They were like average offense in the n._f._l. Obviously this you're losing. Oh b._j.'s huge one. They practically don't have any wide receivers left except during shepherd. Everyone's is injured so i think that and saquon last year the ray of stacked boxes i phase. We also think that's higher than it was. It wasn't extraordinary the and district definitely is going to be seeing so many more stacked boxes and his efficiency with those stacked boxes ranked among the bottom of the league which but but in a format he had so many out of the backfield last year now is the thing is you look at the stat line and you'd see like he rushed for forty yards but he had six catches coaches for sixty yards and a touchdown. You're like okay well. He scored twenty points so boom use of he was a big hitter again. <hes> you know they were definitely keeping him in check back but he's just too talented receiver for to stack the box because of the brakes to the line on a play action and that box you know he blows through that box. He's gone on for a touchdown up the middle with you know with evan ingram you know taking the linebacker the safety both of those guys are gonna tear team so i think the giants are good enough to keep things you know in good shape but <hes> you just gotta gotta wonder if teams are going to figure that out or if they can ever stop him they can't at saquon might got his towns last year. I think there's only really one major game got shut down that was week fifteen namely that derrick henry 'cause coming off of his <unk> monster game still produce really good saddened numbers twenty five points in non p._b._r. If i remember so let's move bonte forty niners in box and anything you on this game that score will be one hundred five hundred because neither one of those teams can stop anybody there. The moore's defenses in the n._f._l. I think if anybody you can start for any of those teams on the offensive side of the ball please do it. I don't care who it is. Whether you can start your dr a googly for all i care because he might be a heap pain. Barbara may pass out by halftime. You'll be on the field jio count so i just feel like you know you gotta start everybody on both sides of the ball i i'm definitely doing it on my. I didn't even the teams i can get them. In this week. Mike quarterback streamers sweet owned in less than fifty percent leagues. I believe is jimmy garoppolo. Just <unk> bucks off the butts defenses atrociously. We better like it was bad. As year the worst year <hes> even worse than we think it's possible but i mean micah their their defenses horrible <hes> the good thing about the niner's they finally released a like. We finally have some clarity on that wide receiving corps and dante pettis is listed as a number one wide receiver. He'd been following a lot before it. Actually in one of my leagues probably also but someone dropped dante tape pet is for us. I am not dynasty oregon dynasty it it it's more justifiable but in redraft <unk>. I picked the pay next day. I blew my waiver order against him so yeah. I think dante others poised for a good year this year. Maybe maybe not as good as we were once predicting but definitely someone to keep an eye on definitely song you could start this week against the box so next actually have the lions versus a car. Another game has a law storyline just two very mediocre bad teams in the case of the cardinals so <hes> you know it's kind of i think there'll be a lot offense in this to neither neither one of these teams every good defenses <hes> some decent defensive the players but patrick peterson's out for a while so the cards pretty much have no defense <hes> but you know it's gonna be interesting. Sialkot murray picks it up up. I mean he looked great. In one preseason the next preseason they blitzed the crap out of him and andy look like a scared rabbit back there so it will see if he can make make the adjustments in in overcome that and you know but i think this will this game will put up some points kerryon johnson <hes> you know <hes> d._j. D._j. d._j. David johnson the other side of fitz patrick <hes> yeah there's there's. There's some good players. They're golladay so i think a lot of points in this <unk>. One milder streamers would be a matthew stafford here. Just cause against the cardinals offense you mentioned. They don't have patrick pearson. They're calling their cornerbacks. Their their back line is decimated <unk>. You could throw deep on them pretty much jenny day and when you're given i mean obviously don't have gone take but they still do have kenny golladay have marvin jones curve back from his injury so it's definitely time watch watch their neurons carry on versus c._j. Anderson just 'cause in the preseason c. j. anderson jr was used far more than i expected. Carry-on cues even taking off of some third down like work and with theoretically leading leaving. We thought that that was definitely carry on but <hes> may just have then preseason. Definitely i wanna watch out for yeah. I definitely ride all that stuff off to preseason. They're not gonna show their hand. You know they're going to try some things. They're gonna be. A lot of these teams. Don't show any real offensive schemes <hes> they you know they're just trying something out so i'm not too worried about that. I mean c. c. J. anderson could definitely <unk> vulture touchdowns. I mean if you're a touchdown only league like my one. I have a c. j. Anderson might be value might get you might get your six eight touchdowns and not much. It's more but beyond that. I don't think you're gonna see him. Much on the field. Less curiosity gets tired next behalf the steelers and the patriots. It's offer me there. There's there's some storylines here with the patriots. I want to see josh gordon how he looks with tom. Brady comes off an end also sony michelle in the passing game. I know they tout that in just how whole dynamic plays out with james white as well <unk> james connor jalen on sandals because that was one of the strange situations of the off-season. They said john samuels will get more than they came back and said that's not true than they are. We double down on what they said before. It's somehow be watching yeah. I mean i think again that'll be one of those very high. Scoring games patriots and steelers defenses are both you know. They're okay but obviously offenses are so much better both those teams so i think that'll be. I think it's a sunday night game so it'll be on television television so i think you'll see a lot of points in that one so that'll be a lot of fun to watch something to take notes for future not s. earlier this week just because the patriots defense against the steelers it's not gonna be great but in the next six weeks they're playing against bottom ten offenses yup. I heard the two teams that i drafted almost every one of my drafts where i had to draft a team defense. I drafted you that the patriots and or the browns if not both because i said you know like you said you look at that schedule and they have to play buffalo toy suggests twice you know tamp. I forget forget all of teams like you said they play like six or other just terrible in the browns. You know get the tennessee. Titans are out the you know. They're gonna play at the bengals. Twice are gonna play the cardinals go so i just like both of those teams kind of stream for defenses for the entire year and i think it's the it's gonna work out well at at patriots definitely defense you wanna keep the they're actually dropped into the exact pick them up as well just because the patriots next six weeks mike god <hes> that's it goes with their division is not very good. <hes> and that's and that's it i would do is houston because now you got houston gets to play a jaguars. Twice is not great offense. They have to play the tech or the titans twice and now the colts without andrew lucked so you've got six games there where you're playing against some weaker offenses of yeah. You're talking about the new england. They're playing miami. The jets buffalo washington the giants the jets again until until they finally get cleveland in week eight so they got a lot of bad teams <hes> after this week in between the steelers and browns game ends <unk>. They still have a pretty pretty average. Maybe slightly above average defense that at least it isn't one of those defenses were were. You won't keep them regardless a match blink. You'll definitely play them. If the matchup is right in the metro alright for the next six weeks or so now we have the texans and the saints which adds <unk>. That's gonna be an interesting game to watch for n._f._l. Lauda points but saints have a really good defense as a last year your texans they have had some injuries suffered but there's they still have some parts or j._j. Watt did trade away today cloudy on their their backline though is pretty right now like the they don't have very good backline but j._j. Watt they're someone who could be the defense support. The year could be doing in sachse <unk> such especially today beyond leaving so that's a male watch out for the <unk>. What do you really want to watch out for this game. I just think it's i think it's gonna be really the duke johns aversa carlos hyde. <hes> you know i think carlos is he's gonna get the ball more than people give him credit for. I mean he was a very good player. Two years ago in san francisco he was a very good player for five games last year with cleveland and then they traded him and and then the jaguars junior at all which was really dumb <hes>. I think that if darwin thomson would have done so well. I think they would have kept him. That's why the chiefs went. After aftermath first place i think again traded him because he got something for him and i. I think you know they've got a very you know. They got a much improved offensive offensive line and when you've got shawn watson in the weapons around stat running game teams can focus on stopping him then and i think he'll do much coach. I think he'll do better than people give him credit for and i think if he stays healthy for the whole year i wouldn't be surprised if hide ends up if not if not in in the top twenty four damn close to the top twenty four in fantasy points. I'll know if i'm going to go that far. I think that i do johnson in just a really good running back and i protect him to especially for p._r. Happy are the backbone by are there. I think that carlos side how no <unk> i'm really torn on this one just because he did show talent like a couple years back but then how now do judges a very good ryan back. They spent a bit more for him. I think that do johnson's game received a passing downward. That's that's pretty. I wouldn't surprise me. Even though height is a very good pass catching back remember last year. It was lamar miller who got hurt you know he was a top twenty four fantasy running back in both consistency and total points so you know everybody talked about how boring he is and how you know he wasn't so you know. Nobody thought he'd really that good thought for sure that dont'a form was gonna replace him but nobody ever looked at the numbers and realize that this guy was actually a pretty good back and they ran him. I'm quite a bit so <hes> they definitely didn't use you know him in the passing game as much <hes> but i don't know of do johnson's gonna the need to get the defenses hold their own. They may not they won't be. I don't think they're gonna be up behind in a ton of games where they're going to need do johnson to catch you know eighty or ninety the balls <hes> if if special karzai's running the ball well between the tackles in mixing it in with hopkins etc. I don't know i'm abs. I'm i i understand the argument but i'm still kind of in the court with with high but we'll see at someone to be drafting. In-draughts abc's practically free right. Now is is outside of the standard roster that you have raised. I picked him off. Waivers in a couple of leagues for a free so is definitely someone to roster. He should be rostered in all leagues but i'm not i'm definitely not starting this week or especially against at saint. They know fence yeah so i wanna see how it plays out especially on the behalf do johnson like if he gets a lot of work in that offense he could could be like a person could sneak into the rb one conversation in that great offense now it. It is the thing that they're offensive line. Obviously they boosted. Stay with laremy tunsil but it's been atrocious past couple of years. Shawn watson was a major beneficiary though he's someone i moved up to my core quarterback to after their <unk> kenny stills just 'cause <hes> now he got some wide receiving <unk> open he was able to bolster that offensive line that was is the worst in the one of the worst in the week if not the worse last year but they also didn't draft <unk> incredibly well added dropped to their draft picks of two due to waiver so it's ma'am keep an eye out for just really want to watch his game as an n._f._l. Fan the saints great team texans inaugurate team both are going going to be leaders in their division so something i will definitely be a good great monday night game to watch and it's the early one so because the the second the last one at ten unclog. I wouldn't stay up if you pay me to stay up to watch that game yes so we have the broncos and raiders mr knock on would if you're with me yeah branca's raiders. I mean both not going to be a top fifteen a n._f._l. Teams in general this year going to be a top absolutely definitely gonna be close at bottom ten raiders for sure. I think the broncos may sneak out that bottom ten definitely definitely gonna be close to that though in for me josh josh shake versus joan charge for passing down work just 'cause i kinda wanna see how how the rookie usages which shakeups if he gets all the usage there you'll be the bowel calendar offense which is what i have. I haven't projected to be close to bowel. Oh cowan offense gang most of the work even in the passing game. Maybe splitting fifty-fifty passing game work with <unk> gang pretty much all the carries which be huge huge and royce freeman verses philp wednesay that someone somebody i will really wanna watch but i have a few inches going to be as we've been projecting just a pretty equal timeshare with lindsay gangs passing downward right yeah. I mean the only thing i really wanna see you know if anything is <hes> will antonio brown wear a helmet summit at all. I mean i just question of his even just gonna show up. I'm not gonna wear a helmet so i've been protesting. I don't know i <unk> that'll be fun. I'm sure that'll be the talk of the talent at night on that game will be the 'antonio brown's summer that we've all had experience with so up in the other thing. Actually i just saw this manual. Sanders like this man thirty two years old coming out of what people thought was like a a injury that no one especially at that age could come back from thirty two years old coming off a torn achilles has been on the most underreported thinks he's books so good. I know i have drafted him. I've drafted him all summer as my like wide receivers like five six in and and and i was watching the videos of him running in i'm like because the reason i bring it up as i tore my achilles when i was forty years old tower. We're right in half playing basketball. I couldn't even lift myself up on that foot. After nine months. Let alone run so the fact that this man is sprinting n._f._l. Level is amazing. Let alone whether fact he's thirty two or twenty to the fact that because that's attendant it doesn't you don't. It's not a year younger so it's better either. You don't work it into place like a calf muscle. It's attendant you so it together and it just is just there in you have have to it strengthens itself over time so it is amazing and like you said the fact that he's playing at this level and then you know if you saw the one preseason in game he took that into round will bus it off for about twenty five yards and like at weill freakin amazing so yeah. It's like i said i have him is like my wide receiver. Four flex flex guy on so many teams just giddy over it at his son who i'd love to have more exposure to a gun son trades downright after just trying to get more and more yeah i think manual sanders is just it's incredible just as a fan of the sport as a fan of just the <unk> anything like him being able to come back from that is it's incredible. It's definitely inspiring summing dhabi watch out for the fact that matters he's a wide receiver in a wide receiver relies on that foot that tendon so much more than any other position at den every other position right so he has some be able make cuts cutting a dime be able to run as vesey can like he's is proving. He's proving the achilles to be something like the a._c._l. Was a few years ago a few years ago. It was considered like that deadly injury to players career here but now of seeing guys icu comeback the maybe emmanuel sanders could be pioneer to be able to break through the achilles comeback so i'm right about to release this podcasts but then the antonio brown <unk> news just broke loose so let me just quickly go over that just some fancy ramifications i to basically if you all don't know antonio brown was released by the raiders in was signed to a one year deal fifteen million dollars nine million guaranteed impede with the patriots which the rich keep getting richer they went from having potentially problems at the wide receiving corps to getting josh gordon gordon back for the full year nod even service suspension for substance abuse and they have antonio brown making them the best wide receiver according to league now in redraft that means you could save. We drop damaris thomas if you ever rostered him in the first place sixteen team fourteen team really don't care you could drop amazing starting <hes> if you guys had any hopes of benjamin watson stepping into a very significant role well. It's probably not so for antonio brown. There's gonna be a lot of people who are overreacting to the patriots news draw parallels to due to randy moss situation which there are some parallels have what i would say is just based on the target share based on the fact that antonio brown one of the stark start differences is that he's coming in while first of all. He's not playing week one but he's come in a week before his first game meaning. He can't develop that connection as easily easily with tom brady as did randy moss while years ago furthermore this is also more run heavy offense than the randy muslin was in does the probably will be less targets for him to have an when you're already giving doing ataman as one of his safety nets james james white as another. Josh gordon had a year of exposure with brady. Definitely antonio brown's furniture from years past <unk>. Dropping topping <unk> should have more touch outside than you did before more upside in general he has a chance now to finish as the number one receiver infancy does now within his range of outcomes. Although i still haven't projected pretty much the same i haven't projected for less targets higher quality targets <hes> so he comes in around the same indices ing ranks below kina. Now i have a basically around hit akina in and mike evans as i did before so still wide receiver one but figures to see less of a target share now. This is an opportunity to sell a <hes> to sell high because a lot of people are going to hear that connection between the patriots grays franchise degrees team of this generation during the brady ballot. Check that antonio brown going there means that he could have the randy. Moss type of season has a he didn't drazen eight so this is a side hell sell high window where you could get rid of that whole <unk> around surrogates and get good value back in return for him now in terms of the other players ataman takes a slight dip big did is taken by josh gordon. He's moved outside of my top thirty receivers by decent amount because now he's gonna be fighting for targets in that pre last stories aw run heavy offense. James white took a slight dip as well sunny. Michelle took a dip in my rankings because i think that one of the skills of bell jack josh mcdaniels annuals or that they adapt to their personnel and i feel like when you have antonio brown when you have josh born when you have a joint ataman than they're going to pass a lot more than they did lash or at least a little more than they did last year which takes away some sony's carries now dismiss this. This may mean that they get to the rhythm often by feel like there is definitely a possibility that a._b. Who won the best red zone options in the league in years past for ben rothlisberger. There's a legitimate chance that those goal line touches that we were locked in for sony michelle. Go away so sunny. He took a uh. He took a sizable dip rankings. A fringe twenty four backed for me right now and yeah. I think that's he's he's going to be more boomer bus than he otherwise would have been because i feel that touchdown upside his cap and you're already he kind of relying on some touchdowns with sony michelle because he doesn't really cash passes and although there were preseason rumors that he was is it being utilized more than the passing game that may also take a hit just based on the sheer amount of targets are available and james white being in in securing those targets that are not going to giveaway james lights targets signing the show james. I it's just such a good pass catcher died. He deserves those charts and as for the raiders side derek heartaches major owen for tom brady he gets upgrade to he's now <hes>. I believe he figures in too low end q._b. He won high-end accu- too. I think he's on that fringe of the top twelve quarterback before i've been very down on him but just given the options. There is a chance that you pass a law more. We've seen how that can turn out for fancy owners in the past so yeah going onto a raider aside. Derek heartaches deb a huge dip. He isn't even on the radar for <hes> mostly could be your third quarterback into the abi the not in my top twenty four. I believe he's just tie that and then tara williams gets an upgrade in p._r. Just because he is the number one wide receiver kahana renfro in dynasty even in redraft for sixteen teamers for fourteen thousand mersey can be rostered. Maybe a bye week fill in just not gray a touch on upside down all giving small frame. He doesn't really have that touchdown upside built into his body. As well and yet metro tara williams he has is a sizable uptick in targets and darren waller is going to be someone who deserves to be rostered in all twelve team leaks because he is is one of the top twelve best tight ends it similar to jericho glossier down water he he's more of a pass catcher in since then jared cook just based on how i view the two but he could have some upside especially in p._b._r. Because there's going to be the law targets vacated josh a dubs may figure together of bid of an uptick in targets but also face a few more stacked boxes zano the he'll really too many because one. He hasn't really proven himself into tarot. <unk> is deep <unk>. Regardless of the fact that derek carr doesn't really throw throw many passes downfield. We'll have a longer breakdown of the antonio brown. Saga on the next episode before we go to quake weren't from argonne the heavier on. 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147. David Barash  On the Brink of Destruction

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147. David Barash On the Brink of Destruction

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Dave is an evolutionary biologist and professor emeritus of psychology at the university of washington. He's written more than two hundred. Eighty peer reviewed articles and forty books berisha's pinned op eds in los angeles times in new york times and the chicago tribune as well as numerous pieces. In the chronicle of higher education nautilus and skeptic anyway david's longtime good friends super smart guy interesting perspective on many important social issues so we talk about twenty twenty in comparison to say nineteen sixty eight watergate vietnam and all that stuff in context of what we've been going through this year and we also talk a little bit about racism and black lives matter and in the history of race in america all that a bit of a sidebar to the important subject of his book which is a nuclear deterrent. So he talks about the logic deterrence in animals. Organisms and why organisms develop technologies of deterrence clause shells and for and and bangs and so forth. All that makes perfect sense but in the last century things have gone crazy with nuclear weapons. So we get into Talking about all the different aspects of a game theory as it applies to nuclear strategy. Mutual assured destruction first strike capability launch on warning and all the different strategies that have evolved over the decades to deter what we fear may be real but may not be and And so i think we on a fairly optimistic note of we now. Know how to get to nuclear zero both strategically and technologically politically. That's another issue and that remains to be seen any case. I think this is probably one of the most important podcasts. I've done because the subject is so important. This issue is not going to go away. Once biden takes a over on january twentieth and twenty twenty one Nuclear weapons are still going to be around for some time to come so we do have to deal with this way with that gave you david. Barish michael sherman and you're listening to science along a series of conversations with leading scientists scholars and thinkers about the most important issues of our time threats intimidation in. Its discontents in the for you. This is your forty book. I can't believe you written forty books. I feel like a slacker. Hard is latter. But one of the things i admire about. You is not only world-class scientists and writer but an activist. That is you liked to apply the methods of and discoveries of science to solving social problems here. A long time social activists anti-nuclear which will discuss 'cause that's part of your yearbook but i thought just since we're recording this at the end of two thousand towards the end of two thousand twenty in more releasing in december If you might kinda give us some reflection on this year we've just been through twenty twenty and it's not over the pandemic the economic Catastrophe and collapsed because of the economic shutdown. You know all the the black lives matter movement the continuation of the metoo movement. I mean there's been like multiple hits. Has there been anything like this. Is is this a recency effect or a maybe comparable to nineteen sixty eight or watergate or vietnam. Or i don't know just give us some thoughts on how you think about this year have to confess that this year has been so perplexing in such whiplash. I'm not sure. I've had much of a chance to actually think about it. More vibrating as a result of it. And and reacting or trying to i i think there is a degree of Recency effect as you as you call it. I suspect if you were to question people going all the way back to aristotle they would say these are the most remarkable troublesome endangers times in the history of the world. But i think they are i. I'm not. I haven't lipton's irish donald. I'm seventy four. And i've been politically aware really since the eisenhower administration. I don't recall a time when things were as disrupted and as disruptive as they are now on so many dimensions. We had the vietnam war. Certainly we had the civil rights movement. there was the early ramification of the and i nuclear anxiety particularly during reagan. But it seems like these were one at a time and they weren't coming at us every day and several times several different dimensions per day. I desperately hope that with a new presidential administration coming in will all be able to take a breath and that may be some of these issues will also be increasingly resolved without. They certainly weren't resolved under the trump administration. Data just about every dimension. I think they were made worse. So let's let's all hope. I have to say my wife and i this morning after having gotten the word that both pennsylvania and nevada had certified the election results on top of michigan yesterday. We asked exam saying it's awfully because they don't want her to wake up to play. Hit the road jack right. You'll charles a rachel soggy log. We played it quite loudly. Had a good time. Yeah yes certainly. Trump has been say several standard deviations out from the mean of of presidents. That's for sure and you know as we speak of course i. It's not guaranteed is going to be a perfectly peaceful transfer you. He has officially conceded. but nevertheless let's assume that the biden administration takes over and gets to work on january twenty first so to get into your book Many most of these big issues are still going to be there. I mean i ran north korea russia. China i mean it's not like i mean even if biden is a continuation of obama. Those issues are still profoundly. Important and troubling. Yeah and they certainly haven't been made any better in the last four years You look at something like climate change. of course that's that's been one yet another one. That's been made worse just by inaction if nothing else and also by variations by the elimination of of the environmental rules with regard to the main house gases. I think the iran situation can be made significantly. Better my take at this. Point is the iranian government. Really wants to go back to the iran deal And i have very doubt that the biden administration will want to also. It's not perfect with without a doubt but We lost a lot. I getting out of that deal in terms of permitting them to go ahead in a way that they were previously constrained so i think that will get better when it comes to climate change. I have no doubt will rejoin the paris accords. But that's really a It's it's it's a goal rather than an absolute restriction requirements I would hope that. At least things won't get substantially worse although all the data now are that they're going to get worse even if we stop adding to the amount of greenhouse gases that we all the environmental burden of heat trapping gases is so great that things are going to keep getting worse even if we stop completely nat. Which obviously we're we're not going to be able to write so there's that there are number of things where we're going in the wrong direction but it some ways i guess i'd like that song from south pacific cockeyed. Optimist you are. I think there's some hope that some of these things can be if not reverse at least our slide down. Ill can be slowed down. I mean when when you look at so many of these things. Like population growth for instance. Even though the population growth in the world is the rate of population growth is decreasing population. Growth itself is still increasing. Yeah so the relevant metaphor arezzo. You have a car driving toward the cliff in so how wonderful you start driving a little more slowly toward the cliff right right. We gotta warn that. Yeah yeah but on something. Like north korea or even american foreign policy with say troops and so many different countries and and the continuation of two wars now going on twenty years at least trump. Didn't you don't invade any new countries or start new wars in fact pulling troops out you know. There's a lot of kind of libertarian-leaning foreign policy people who think that's good. We shouldn't be america. The world's policeman. What are we doing all these countries and why do we have troops and bases all over the place. Why is that our business. And what are your thoughts on in the context of talking about deterrence and these sorts of things and international relationships. You don't have to comment on trump's policy but just the general issue of to what extent should we be nosing around another people's business like that. Well frankly that's one area may be the only one in which i do Two largest agree with at least some aspect of trump of of his policies. I think the notion of ending our forever. Wars is an excellent one. There's absolutely no doubt We have almost eight hundred bases for foreign base. It's not just two hundred that that seems to be A few more than we need and If something if some wisdom or even sanity can come as a result of rethinking rethinking in that regard. I think that would be all to the better in other respects. The only other way in which. I give trump francis. Now you said. I didn't have to mention a occupies. Some drew my head policies. Personally i can but And then i think there's some really important issues there. The other one. Which i give him. Partial credit with regard to issues of deterrence has to do with north korea. And the i don't think that credit worthy partial. But i think the good news the good thing he did was to reach out. And actually jacob hands and talk to this guy. He's a jerk. They both of them were jerks. But but can jump. Kim jong un is a very dangerous murderous dictator but not to talk to him at all. Doesn't strike me as good policy and to reach out and initiated that i think is a is a good thing In that i give him credit where. I think there's a real problem. One of the subsets in my book is called on. How do you solve the problem of korea from this out of us. Part of the problem of maria cry and Correctly is a problem in many ways. I think trump made it much worse because of raising the level of Angry discourse to a point that we well have had a nuclear war with career. I'm i was really quite frightened in a lot of other people. I know who are into this issue. More about korea than will child equally. you mean localized war giving it a localized more say in south korea or japan or maybe hawaii but not certainly not main main land united states mainland conventional war. But it looks very much like the north koreans have missiles capable of reaching the united states. it's unclear whether they have miniaturize nuclear weapon sufficiently to be able to mount them on these missiles. But i sure as hell not wanna find out. There's a real chance that there could have been and still could be a nuclear exchange if you wanna use this among the milder word but So we had a lot of trumpeting concluding such things from the american administration that north korea's no longer a nuclear threat. Well unfortunately that's just bullshit than the nuclear arsenal of the north koreans plus their mellon their their missile arsenal has increased so On the one hand you had the american administration raging about Fire and fury etc. Really raising the temperature and making it all the more dangerous. It could be a miscalculation and yet it hasn't happened backed off. Hadn't had actual meetings the way i tend to think about. This is if a guy came into. Your house poured gasoline all over. The floor. took him the boca matches but didn't light it. Are you going to thank him for having not right. I think he brought things really close much closer than was called for. But let me add. Just one thing. If i if i may michael because one of my main concerns for a long time has been deterrence. A i take a stronger position than most anti nuclear activists with regard to deterrence. I think even deterrence or maybe Specially deterrence is very dangerous. Ill-advised thing and One example here is north. Korea really represents a case of the terms run amok that is to say. i think. The evidence is overwhelming. That the kim regime really doesn't want to die they don't want to destroy themselves they want to keep going perpetuity But they're terrified that we are not them lamb. And so they've gotten billy hyper vigilant hyper deterrent in their own. World their own by their own lights and the result is that by going so far they didn't even need nuclear weapons to deter were deter the south koreans they have tens of thousands of artillery pieces. Right on the border ready to demolish soul without nuclear weapons. But by going so far what they've done is generated enormous anxiety not just in the united states but in south korea and japan and the result has been ratchet up. Tensions increased militarization the area and make things worse. And just the final thing. My little rant here I think that's a another example. One of many of how deterrence misrepresented and misbehaving with regard to determines has made things worse rather than better right. Well if we apply the principle of interchangeable perspectives and try to see it from kim's point of view. The kim regime the the united states is not mess around with countries that have nuclear weapons. We respect them right. I mean if you want a chair at the table with the big boys from his perspective. It's kind of what he's doing like you can't fuck with me now because look what i have. And you know in terms of the psychology of deterrence. Maybe doesn't need it for real deterrence but psychologically or maybe politically. It feels like to him. That's what is needed. And i kind of see the perspective from other countries. Like what again back to this. The united states be the world's police the only nuclear power in the world that you know russia had it so we would prefer that they didn't but once they added it's like okay. Well now there's two and then there's three and then there's four now there's what nine if if you count israel which still denies that it had quickly weapons. Do you know that story alan. Dershowitz tells the story about meeting with. I think it was benjamin. Netanyahu and and netanyahu asked him so do you think. Oj really did it and he said. Let me ask you something. Do you really have nuclear weapons. He says you know. I can't tell you that. And he goes right ditto. i'd not heard. Yeah it's a funny story anyway. So again i could kind of see the perspective like why should the united it'd be like maybe countries during the height of the roman empire you know. Why should you guys be the only ones with a massive military and and calling the shots you know. What in the twentieth century arose this idea of. Forget the title now. but we're we're nations. Have their own independence and and national autonomy where you can do whatever you want within your own borders in. It's nobody else's business arose after the first world war but then that became a cover for a lot of bad regimes who were committing civil rights violations and even genocide on their own people like nazi germany. Whose defense was well national autonomy. We're allowed to do whatever we want within our borders and you can't say anything and of course when england and the united states were trying them. We had our own issues with jim. Crow laws and the treatment of blacks native americans that the germans could point to and go. Well so what about own civil rights violations and again. I kind of see the perspective. There's looks kinda hypocritical when we're jumping in other people's business or telling people like iran. You can't have nuclear weapons. Why not because you're not one of the good guys or i mean what's what's the response to that. Yeah i think. The underlying motivation in fact is racism to some extent would that that was very strongly. Promoted wasn't promoted overtly but when the chinese were about to get their nuclear weapons in the early sixties There was this the media. Just can't trust these people. Trust these asians to have nuclear weapons okay for us educated respectable wipe folks but so there was in fact that as well and to my mind. What that does is really Provide a cogent argument against nuclear weapons. Generally which is to say the the points off in my well. It's okay for us to have a but you guys and so long. As the united states and russia and britain and france particularly say those big four and early on at least in the in the arms race had nuclear weapons way where we had no moral standing to lecture others. It's okay for you. How do i say not as i do And so in terms of the actual reasoning that. I don't think there was as much reasoning. Is there was a degree of shortsighted racism on the other hand. One the reasons for being concerned particularly about north korea for instance and possibly pakistan as well is the the reality is and i don't wanna sound racist because it's not racist but it's a question of local technologies The us technology the french. The british the russian technologies are quite a bit better than what the north koreans have have been sort of pacing piecing things together from outmoded technology from russia and if we are somewhat more than otherwise anxious about them. I fear it's for good reason. One of the main problems with deterrence thin. The fact that it is so vulnerable to all sorts of blunders. Not the least of which are false alarms right. Well if you have lots of good failsafe system. Do you have some reason to hope. It's not it's not believe that you're not going to blunder into a nuclear war. I don't know. I don't think anyone in the west knows what sort of failsafe systems if any north korea or iran if they were to develop them but my guess is they won't be as good as ours. I don't mean sound racist here. That's a pure function of level of technology. And how much money you have to spend on your program to make it to build in several layers of safety because as you documented in the book there's really expensive these nuclear programs and i remember when trump announced he wanted to upgrade ours. Because he'd seen that sixty minutes piece we're back at twenty fourteen or so where they had a camera crew in one of these installations whether you are still using these big huge floppy disks twenty five years out of date and okay well wanted to upgrade from floppy disks to whatever. The latest technology is what they need a lot of money. Billions of dollars. And you know as a little sidebar. Sometimes i think like after reading your sections in the book on how much we spend. What if he spent all that money on like diplomatic relationships and training people in diplomacy and foreign relations that is spend the money having good relations with other countries. Because that's ultimately what's going to solve. The problem is this. We don't need nuclear weapons because we're friendly with them. Yeah no one really worries. Worries that in united states is going to be attacked by the uk right or friends right or israel And so to maintain good relations with other countries. I agree it would be a far far superior investment. I would argue that For all of my anti-nuclear inclinations inclination is probably to two week. Oh a word here and one thing we could do and should do is to upgrade some aspects of communications and various helsejs Procedures floppy disks. I mean my god that. I can barely remember. Used us for discs. We need to upgrade entity. One of the things that happen if you look at the near misses that we have experienced by overture. Nothing about near misses. Say that the russians have experienced. They're very closed. They play their cards very close to the chest. But in the us among those things that have come disturbingly horrifyingly close. One of them was the failure of a single computer. Chip that was estimated at value. Forty six cents and that the result of that failure we came within minutes of dying you and me and just about everyone we love so i think we could invest in that so what we should invest in our those nuclear weapons that are provocative and one of the problems with deterrence. Is there seems to be almost unstoppable momentum to keep investing in new things that in fact don't enhance the turns but rather undermining and that's a real problem itself. Yeah you talk about the this idea that the nuclear genie is out of the bottle and we can never put back in. But that's not true. I mean there. There have been other weapons of mass destruction that could have been built or they were built like gustaf gun in the first world war. I mean this thing was so massive it could only be moved by train and it could shoot a shell hundreds of miles and just you know it was pretty terrifying weapon and yet no one talks about the gustaf gun. Genie is out of the bottle. And we can't put it back in this or even poison gas. i mean. even hitler didn't use poison gas in the second world war. of course he he. He had no qualms about using it on the jews but not against other countries in military because there is this something of a taboo about it and so on even though we still have it and no one talks about the poison. Gas genie is out of the bottle. Maybe they do but not not like nuclear weapons. So there's there's nothing there's no law major says. Well we can never uninventive it and another little sidebar. That i've been thinking about. Is this that when i was researching the holocaust originally Was no no hitler. No holocaust and the more. I think about that the more research and reading i do i think not only is that true but also know hitler no world war two. You know that that most of the german military leaders they did not think starting nineteen thirty nine was a good idea. They were worried that it was too early. Or maybe we should never do it. And and i also now think that this idea. how do you convert an entire nation of highly educated cultured. People like the germans you know that gave us a beethoven and gupta and so on Goosestepping nazis in the answer now appears to be they. Didn't that is to say the majority do not go along with the at least with the eliminationist genocidal aspect of the nazi regime and probably the invasion bellicosity of of the military under the nazi regime. I suspect most germans were happy about the economic growth in the thirties. And there was a lot of anti-semitism so maybe they were happy to see. Jews put in in in ghetto or something like that. But but but i think most germans probably did not go along with that from some of the research. I've been reading but they were able to hold it aloft. Kind of like a in the ether there. Through the control of the press concentration camps lockup. Anybody who dissents from agreement and then you get the The idea of pluralistic ignorance where everybody thinks everybody else believes this ideology even though i don't get enough people thinking that but you're not allowed to speak out because you'll be sent off to these prison camps then the whole thing can be sustained for years where everybody thinks. This is the new normal. But it's not really. I'm kind of rambling here on this. Because i think it's an important idea that there but for the quirkiness of one particular guy hitler. We probably would not have nuclear weapons. You know there was would have been no need to develop them in the first place. And what do you think about that. Well certainly in the absence. I agree with you about the great man theory me for a while. I was skeptical of it. I was more of a tolstoy in believing that the people like napoleon tolstoy about a lot who felt they were in charge of the world and determining things where really deceiving themselves. But they were but that they were in fact really pawns in greater historical movements. The more i look into that too as you increasingly inclined to think about great in this because gray occasionally admirable but yeah insulin immensely influential highly charismatic people who are able to bend whole societies to their will and hitler was certainly one of them as was mussalini as stalin as was mile i feared frankly. Donald trump might have been one of these. But he's not. And i'm delighted that he isn't i think you're right that in the absence of that I don't know that we wouldn't have had nuclear weapons. Eventually there was chairman of research going on the whole splitting the atom was being the atomic theory generally was being explored not just theoretically but but apparently labradors i. I suspect we will. A have no doubt we would have had nuclear energy. did actually that chicago. The first atomic pile was developed in chicago under at stagg field under the under the athletic field there But i very much doubt. That would've been anything like the manhattan project. This huge rush to develop nuclear weapons after which there was a profound domino's active scores. I mean the. Us develop nuclear weapons. Maybe or in large part to defeat hitler to it Soviet union develop weapons because of the united states to deter getting back to deterrence again to deter the united states china develop nuclear weapons to deter the soviet union. China is over union very much on the outside that time india develop nuclear weapons to deter china. India and china had a war. Nineteen sixty two wasn't a future but for them but it was certainly a war. They lost indians. Lost to the chinese. And then the pakistanis develop nuclear weapons why to deter the indians. The north koreans have develop nuclear weapons to deter the united states. Israel develop nuclear weapons to deter. The other arabs surround them and if egypt saudi arabia develop nuclear weapons to deter israel. So if nothing else. I'm not at all convinced that nuclear weapons have deterred wars and beaten into that for sure but one take that they've certainly done is to encourage proliferation. Yeah yeah one. More point on trump though. On as we've seen it's been really difficult for people in his own party to stand up to him because he can denounce them any apparently had that kind of poll at least within the party and you know a lot of these guys lost their elections for senate and the house races midterms because they had gone against trump. Now of course he couldn't do anything about him he could just denounce them. The failing new york times. He couldn't close the new york times and he could he could call John mccain a loser for being captured or or mitt romney being week or whatever but he can't lock them up. But if you give somebody that power which hitler had where the new york times speaks out against him and he just shuts down. Well that's how it happens. So hopefully that can't happen here and maybe in a way this has been thinking. Maybe there's been a good test that our system pretty well. I mean you know for all the orange. Hitler allergies people. Made you know he wasn't able to do anything like what hitler was able to do. In terms of internally controlling the press controlling dissenters things like that. Yeah i've been it's not for want of trying But that's the part of your point. He tried he tried. He pushed very hard. He tried to get william bar to to literally indict. Not just hillary clinton but joe biden. I'm not exactly for what in barack obama and even bar who really a- the bootlicker for trump. As far as i can tell you even bar refrain from doing that so it's not like it wasn't attempted in that sense the fact that he wasn't able to indeed is going to have to leave the white house at this point. I think that confirms what you're saying. System some it scared. A lotta people's or sure scared me and in a way. It was kind of a stress test. Wasn't it bright. The fact that we had this who so charismatic had so many people following him was so announce insensitive to basic democratic norms. Even to the good of the country was really pushing. The fact that he failed is kind of like a bank really surviving a serious stress test. Maybe we can have we would other. That's a good point. Thank you for that. Yeah i think so and there were a lot of democrats. Republicans like the lincoln project. People like david fromm and bill stolen. George will hard hard core conservatives for decades that hold to those principles and really believed them Who were just appalled by trump and. They did what they could. But trump couldn't lock them up again. He couldn't silence. The the lincoln project was making all those commercials. That they you know. They made hundreds of them and they spent a lot of money. You know hitler would have just shut down. Well maybe trump would have liked to do that but it but he could and they were very hard hitting two. Yeah did not pull punches. In i i have to say i rather enjoyed watching these blinks project commercials because they any things that i was feeling and that many democrats were reluctant to say. I'm not sure why. But i think the democrats repressive generally see themselves sort of kind lauren. Gentler and are less likely to do that since. You're a psychologist biologist. I'll i'll throw this at you. Because i've handed added already of question i'm conflicted about. I'm not sure what the answer is. That is to what extent are people gullible and they just believe what leaders tell them or are we by nature fairly skeptical and it takes a lot to get people to do extreme things right so i mentioned the hitler example ahead hugo on the podcast is this new book called a not born yesterday. And he's arguing that the research in cognitive psychology shows that most people are not that gullible. Cults are pretty rare. I mean we all have examples jonestown in heaven's gate and you know these crazy people like the new one the nexium in which this guy got these women to get branded and have sex with them or whatever but that's how many like self help movements and groups are probably tens of thousands over the last fifty years. Most of them are fairly harmless. People probably leave before they get exploited or whatever we only hear about the handful of really extremist ones that really exploited members and the members really gullible and people like me. Running for skeptic. You know people are just gullible. And that's why we need to be more skeptical but maybe most people are actually pretty skeptical. He's gonna makes his point. That most political advertising is largely a waste of money. You rarely convert one per person from one party to the other party. What you do with political advertising is reinforce the message to the base and get the base to get out there and vote and get other people that are on our team to vote. it's kind of a reinforcement reinforcement of our team message to keep us in power but the idea of actually converting people through some ads. like here's my six points of might platform. Oh i didn't realize that. I guess i'm a democrat. Now and he here use it. That's pretty rare. And i just in politics. Advertising in corporate america is largely a waste of money. we've seen companies like tesla super successful so far zero advertising. You know so. Apparently people can make up their own mind about these sorts of things and anyway. But i'm conflicted about this There's enough examples of people being gullible. I think yeah people are gullible and you know it's thirty percent of americans believe in astrology or whatever. There's enough of that kind of stuff out there that it's like yeah. People are pretty gullible but on the other end you know not everybody. Joins cults and religions are fairly harmless and people can leave groups and they do before they get taken in and so. I just wanted to know what your thoughts were on that again. It's it's very relevant point that it's interesting and important. Perhaps to recognize as people like myself tend to feel threatened issue will by what seems like the gullibility of so many. Whether it's jones down rabins gators you mentioned and it is a to realize that the numbers who actually do so at least for certainly for these extreme cultural is quite awkward. Small and The fact that they received so much attention is itself may be an indication that the rest of us. which is i think. The overwhelming majority tend to look at them and say what the hell is wrong with them. Price other generalized Right actually that people are not that gullible however those who are can be very dangerous. And i think not just to themselves as we saw johnstown in heaven's gate but Insofar as there were enough gullible people who really bought into nazism transcendent took honor. Life of its own where it wasn't just a matter of all ability gullibility snowballed into joining the group being part of the crowd. And so you might have had a small gullible group to begin with. But then as it snowballed and increased momentum. It became profoundly dangerous. And i made to add a. I'm not just throwing boakye in your direction. Michael but i think you wrote the best book about it. Exactly that that whole question of why people believe weird things. That was really important book. I think you applaud asli. It'd help me a lot once. In by the way that i've written about just recently I don't recall you included in your book. Maybe if you want to revive revise it someday because there's plenty of information is phenomena what my wife to lipton was a psychiatrist. And i've been calling the peter up. Peter pan affect the hit. That's another one. I guess the pied piper effect. I think one thing they exemplify kind of gullibility is this the the susceptibility that so many people have to the pied piper to someone who's piping the tune that they find just irresistible. And of course the. I forgot the rats to walk out of hamlin And then he wasn't paid. The town failed to pay the piper regime come so the came back played pipe again and all the kids of hamlet went out do so they were gullible as well to have not only lost the rats which is helpful terms of their pandemic if you will but they lost their kids as a punishment so there is a gullibility factor as well to a charismatic leader that gets back to the point you raised earlier about what they're been been world holocaust wilmore has learned. I'm inclined to think wouldn't because hitler turned out to be a really effective piper. Yes yes certainly. The research that holds that a pretty strongly that he was very charismatic. Great speaker and trump is very entertaining as when watching the last couple of weeks before the election. This guy was just the energizer bunny just endless hour after hour after hour. And he's funny and entertaining. It's like holy crap. I could never do this. I don't know how the not many people can most politicians are pretty boring. And so that's kind of rare but also self out movement people like tony robbins. I've met him my god. He's so charismatic. Like wow okay. Some people have that that kind of energy about them and they exude that and people you know maybe get swayed by the perhaps another question i've been thinking about. I think i've been reading I just started reading Isabel wilkinson's book cast and which he's kind of recasting as you will the race issue in terms of cast like in india that we're all familiar with two other examples. The indian one being the classic one and then nazi germany with jews and then america was blacks. And you know the example she. She provides just so horrific in at least this other question is to. What extent did people back then believe these tropes about blacks or jews or whatever i mean is it just a power thing. I adopting this platform of thinking of these people is inferior intellectually or physically or whatever because it keeps me in power or or do they really believe it. And here's the context for this. I'm conflicted so i've been reading a lot of a a Sperry kareem kareem abdul-jabbar 's research on on race relations and he's pretty critical of people like jefferson. An attitude is he knew better than any still did wrong. And i've been inclining dhaka's and others that you know. We shouldn't judge people in the past by current standards because our standards have changed so much over the centuries that you know they just believe something quite different. They really did believe blacks. Were in theory and creams. Point is like no. They didn't because they had put chains on them. They knew they didn't want to be slaves. Okay maybe that's a good point. But did they believe that they were truly inferior different species race that like almost like a different species and therefore we shouldn't be too critical because that was their world view. It's different than ours. I don't know what are your thoughts on that again. That's a fascinating Important issue i think. The fact that a slaveholders had to put chains on their slaves was not to my mind that indication that they felt that they were not inferior or superior but rather. They knew that they didn't want to be slaves period. So once you know that people don't want to be treated as chattel wanna keep them for whatever reason you gotta put him in slaves in chains and so the fact that they I have no doubt they recognize that the overwhelming majority of slaves didn't want to be enslaved whether they really believe that they were inferior is a question. I don't know that we have much ability to answer that. There is the standard line In that sense. I kind of agree with jabbar that there's a maybe an excessive tendency to say well so and so is just a person of his times Was often self serving if you if you have the opportunity of running a huge plantation and you can get a thousand a human slaves to do it and pay them essentially nothing except for little bit of room and board. It's in your interest to do it. And so whether they really actually even ask themselves about the human of these people i think is questionable. My guess is they refrained from even allowing themselves to question that with regard to that there is a book out fairly recently by acknowledges is a friend of mine That you might want to look at or even have on your shows name. Is david livingston. Smith oh i know david and you're not okay. Well his most recent book is called on in humanity and basically he develops that whole question. Of how is that people so readily have perceived as being less than human right And often self-serving for them a sometimes it may be because they honestly believe it And again to get back to buy may the nuclear weapons or just one of those things that i have written about a lot concerned a lot. New very prominent in this book in order to engage in the threat to obliterate tens of millions hundreds of millions of people. I know that it's necessary to perceive your would-be victims as less than human or certainly not necessarily as innuendos. But you have to stop thinking about them either way. I fear that there's an awful lot of intellectual and emotional laziness among human beings where they put on a kind of blinkers. I've spent time with many nuclear target tears in strategic so-called'strategic analyst and not connery michael. They have i if you go into these offices if you get allowed in occasion it's like the back rooms of an insurance office or a bank. It's not the clanking of chains with blood splattered on the walls or is it a big these. They seem intelligent. Upper middleclass people who often have photographs on their of their wives and children parents. You know. I think in order to do what they do. In terms of the planning they have to turn on an aspect of their humanity relative to their potential victims. And unfortunately i think that's something. We human beings are not always but occasionally more than we ought to capable doing blind ourselves to the actual reality of what learnings case. It's these people are actually planning. They would claim. Of course these are only contention plans breath. These are designed to make sure that they don't happen that they don't aren't us but if you look into any of the details of how. The process works it by mice by my lights and i think it's very reasonable unfortunate argument. That are actually making it. More likely not less. Even that wouldn't be still wouldn't be allowed if people allow themselves to do as virgin. Russell said Injury the reds. Yeah they probably do have to turn that off much. Like i suppose surgeons do when they're in surgery. You can't think of this as a person that i care about or whatever. I just have to do my job. So these guys had pictures of their families. They're on their desk. And they're planning to drop a multi megaton weapon on town. It may have a military base near their missile silos or whatever but ninety nine percent of the people are gonna die just regular folks to citizens. They're not military people and they probably can't let them stuff's thankful those people have children and the children are out there on the playground on the swings when my bomb lands i mean. It's just too horrified. Even consider in. There's a wonderful These writing by george orwell in his amish the catalonia were more wealth fought in spanish civil war on side of the republican. What he did some sniper working pretty serious older. And at one point he recounts that he was just barely keeping over the edge of his trench and he saw a fascist soldier pulling up his pants and any could shatter could kill them but he didn't and he said i couldn't do it because it was a guy pulled up his pants just like i pull up my head high and so he could do it. Humans do so i think. That's remarkable fascinating. Yeah yeah because the guy in the bathroom. I don't take his shit just like either everybody. Okay he's a regular guy. he's a person right. Well so that gets us to the kind of bashes right. Yeah there's a scene in eric remarks book you know all quiet on the western front. I think that's the book where the guy finds. The soldiers like wallet with pictures of his wife in girlfriend girlfriend or children or whatever. And he's like so. This woman thinks he's still alive and he's sitting here dead and she's going to get letters from him for the next few weeks and thank he's still alive but he's dead and he's kind of reflecting on what that means and you know. That certainly is a game changer. So how did we get in this position in the first place. So let's talk about the psychology of deterrence. I'm going to start with with people. Start these days. Richard dawkins in the selfish gene model. Here's how i put it in what i'm doing. Here is building a case for the logic of aggression violence deterrence and these kinds of kinds of things. We're talking to in other words. It's not a bug in the system that if we could just radical this tendency to fight or whatever or to want to deter other people then we'd be fine. I think that's the wrong way to think about it. So so i'm kind of recounting here. Doctrines own thought experiment in the selfish gene. If you were a molecule what would you do to survive. I you need to build a substrate which to generate a replication system inside the cell contains machinery for energy consumption maintenance and repair and other features that keep the molecule intact long enough to reproduce once such molecular machinery is up and running the replicating molecules become immortal as long as energy to feed the system and an ecosystem in which the process can take place in time. These replicating molecules will out survive. Non replicating molecules by virtue of the very process of replication. Those that don't die. that's the cells. Our bodies in which the replicator our house. Our survival machines in modern jargon replicator called jeans and the survival machines are called organisms. And this little experiment is what richard dawkins means by the selfish gene in the book of his title. The title a cell or body or organism may survival machine is the genes way of surviving perpetrating itself genes that code for proteins that build survival machines that live long enough for them to reproduce win out over those that don't on the problem is that survival machine scurrying around in a liquid environment such as an ocean or pond will bump into other survival machines all of whom are competing for the same limited resources. Now quoting dr atkins to a survival machine another survival machine which is not its own child or another close relative is part of its environment like iraq or a river or a lump of food. But there's a difference between survival machine in iraq. A survival machine is inclined to hit back if exploited this is because it too is a machine that holds its immortal jeans and trust for the future and to will stop at nothing to preserve them. Dawkins concludes natural. Selection favors genes that control their survival machines in such that. They make the best use of their environment. This includes making the best use of other survive machines both of the same different species so in other words if you're being approached by a predator you should deter this predator. This is a good thing to do is totally logical. Whether it's you develop armor or thick for or clause or bangs or poisonous toxins that you've exceed whatever it is you know there's kind of a logic to that so then course scaling up you know where this is all going because you you've done this yourself is kind of a game theory it makes sense then to push back against somebody that's going to exploit you the bully the free rider you these have to be dealt with in some way so you start gently with a don't do that or that's not nicer push back but if it escalates at some point you know. Violence is kind of logical outcome of this anyway. So let let's pick it up there and talk about because you start with animals and in working to humans and then nations right well. of course there are. There is a whole Series a consistent if you will ceres of usages of threat and often violence in the natural world particularly threat and to a lesser extent violence and even plans for instance blackberries. Have orange. Roses have thorns. why are they. they're well. they're threatened or to keep other. Animals may keep animals in particular from eating them animals in the themselves. Make use of threat. All the time lion's roar many animals show their big teeth fake. It should show their applause. I give many there many many examples. The use of threats at display animals which are most of the time quite effective I believe in deterrence in many ways in a sort of conventional deterrent of a mention personal level. We live on a horse farm at a rural part of a washington Number of acres in some of the electric fence going round we also have among our dogs have a very large anatolian shepherd weighs about one hundred. Forty ounce yet stick is there is yeah. I'm the one on the left. I'm the less you. I was so confused about that. A well. he's he's profoundly Effective deterrent he is a supremely tolerant of any four-legged creature other than our own dogs or horses Who enter our property. And he is killed. Lots of coyotes raccoons and opossums and he had a fight with a with a a cougar. Chased the cougar. Away and Cougar ran so intern areas just heard of so he's he's a but he's a conventional deterrent and when he goes off he doesn't destroy our property he often destroys the individual invader but he doesn't destroy property or our community or low king county or the state of washington it's a very limited very structured directed engagement in deterrence and. I'm not entirely against convinced. I'm not against conventional deterrence even with regard to the military There are lots of ways that deterrence can should work and is very important effective. I think what's happened. Is you raised the question. How did we go from these Primitive if you will Forms of weather it's rna. World dna world or early amoebic live creatures defending themselves against each other to a situation where we are now at risk of blowing up the world and in the course of doing that. Most animals don't don't really endanger themselves by virtue of the threats that they it's Whereas the insta deterrence not only as luther determines now has not only a metastasized the expanded to the degree that threatens everybody but many aspects of it actually undermine its own probability of success and so like so many things. I fear with human technology. We've gone so far as to put ourselves at a tremendous a tremendous risk now. Many threats that animals and plants engaging. Don't do them any harm and other usually effective and helpful and there's a whole catalogue of how they do it But as you move or as we have moved to the level of nuclear threats. That's a kind of threat where if a mistake occurs and we've come perilously close so many times. There's so many reasons why we're undermining our own stability right now. Which is the goal of deterrence. If a mistake occurs the consequences could well be almost would be so catastrophic that. It's it's a far cry. from one. amoeba going meadow. Amana if you will with another amoeba We've entered into a situation where it's while tatum. Ably distinct diet was interested in observations by the police. At one point where he says sufficient quantity becomes quality. Yeah yeah he had. So many men he. This is in the context of his bragging to metternich that he was Uk he said. You cannot defeat me. I spend thirty thousand men among a right. That was bad enough. But if you take the nuclear phenomenon where you were multiplying things by million terms of explosive force. In terms of temperatures in terms of the were tally you've changed you've gone from a quantitative distinction to really qualitative distinction. It's like you'd be walking along at maybe two miles an hour but if you walk in love it two million miles an hour. You're you're you're harris base and then some If you had twenty dollars in your pocket is one thing if you have twenty million dollars in your pocket your world is change was example is good because he kinda launched start of of a total war where citizens are are all really in a way soldiers because they're supplying the uniforms they're making the rifles and they're sending the food and so on so they kind of made it again logical to while we should say later bomb cities or whatever because even though there's not a military target they're in a way it kind of is because they're supporting the massive trump's of millions of of men on the front. There's a kind of logic to that. Even though it escalates into perversion whole notion of the home front Which became increasingly important with increasingly viable technology. Where you don't just put an army of free men out on the field with a sword a shield you you have to tremendous background material to support them and so in that sense. No one is quote innocent as we develop these improved technology right right. Yeah but you know you go back in time. Even before nation states said he states you know most of them have walls so again. There's there's a reason to have walls. Good good fences make good neighbors. And you have a dog reinforces your fence. That there's a logic to that and same thing with walls and so on but something definitely happened there. Let's just remind our readers here. I'm quoting from a you. Which i use this. Just how many nuclear weapons. We have here compared to say world war two which was catastrophic even without nukes. The us this from you the us has a triad of nuclear weapons land missiles air bombers and see summaries a single trident sub carries twenty nuclear-tipped missiles each of which has eight independently targetable warheads of about four hundred and sixty five kilotonnes or about thirty times. The destructive power of the little boy bomb so one sub packed wilbon of four thousand eight hundred erosion mors and we have eighteen trident submarines or the equivalent of eighty six thousand four hundred hiroshima's in the words of president obama during a briefing about our nuclear capability quote. Let's stipulate that this is all insane. I get how we get here. I mean so just kind of walk us through the logic of you have the fat man and little boy and then apparently we had maybe three or four more ready to go in september october if we would have to invade and so forth to tens of thousands well. It's a remarkable story in many ways. Very tragic one of yours. And i mean the simple in a way the most straightforward one. The one that's best known as the united states develop nuclear weapons subsequent and The argument has been made by many that What nuclear weapons were used by the united states in her shame. Nagasaki was really not so much the end to end world war two but to intimidate stalin. Because it was well believe among many that stalin was going to be our next enemy and we needed to let him know and also we wanted to cut back our conventional forces in europe whereas the red army in europe was really immensely large Well stalin pretended initially not the care e he pretended hardly noticed But in fact they began a very rapid program and were assisted by some spies in the united states since the an arms race developed very quickly and then as we talked about earlier various other countries joined in for a variety of reasons. One of the things though that's not sufficiently appreciated is the extent to which the this arms race which resulted in a very rapid expansion in Arsenals and not just in the arsenals but in the technology a qualitative change particularly in the delivery systems had to do actually with the united states running arms race with itself We were so far ahead. Certainly up until really up until now But dramatically so in the late forties fifties sixties and seventies Initially the delivery the sounds like a ups truck or something but the delivery systems for nuclear weapons was the air originally was the army air force. That wasn't aware i than when the air force was made independent. All it was really entirely strategic bombers that were able to deliver nuclear weapons At that point the navy was really pissed the. Us navy didn't like this because the army had a monopoly on this And then when the army began to develop land-based missiles. I'm sorry with when the air force began to develop land-based that made things even worse as far as the baby was concerned and davey admirals actually went to congress and testified about how immoral and unacceptable the use of nuclear weapons against say the soviet union would be particularly because they were so inaccurate that it would kill vast numbers of civilians which it would the navy. Meanwhile began developing. Its own nuclear weaponry. And its own delivery systems submarine-based particularly polaris submarine originally in the poseidon. When they came online the navy changed its tune they said. Oh well yes. Nuclear weapons are really appropriate as a way to deter the soviet union. We need to have a whole lot of them so they changed dramatically instead of saying how immoral and unethical going against all the laws and rules of war. Nuclear weapons were when it was the air force that had them. They became not just acceptable but absolutely necessary. While the next step then was the air four this again. The the interservice rivalry within the united states. That drove a huge amounts of this is expansion. The air force says it will wait a minute. We need to the arm. The navy's catching up with us. They're getting appropriations. Some of which we want. So we're gonna have to improve things. We're going to increase the accuracy of our weapons. See the players in beside navy. missiles weren't nearly as accurate at that point as they could have been so the net the army the army the air force than developed a whole series of. Icbm's were much more accurate is it'd be land as you know where they are you. Can you can use them. You could aim the much more effectively. And so that developed the whole phenomenon. Counterforce aiming at the weapons of the other side so then the navy realizing that they were losing out to the the russians but the air force began to develop another generation of seabass submarine base weapons namely the Tridents and so this sort of bouncing back and forth the competition between the arm between the navy and the airforce was extreme and intends and probably far more responsible than any competition with then soviet union. Meanwhile so union of course wasn't sitting idly by they solid united states was doing and so they began to build up. There's and at some point act. I forget exactly when it would have been in the late sixties early seventies. They actually surpassed united states. Not in the technology of their weaponry or delivery systems but in just the sheer numbers of of the bombs and missiles and warheads. That's what they attempted to compensate by just gross size. What they lack in technology and of course by that other countries had also joined in the party. I should have one other thing here michael again. Many people don't appreciate this notion. Counterforce that i mentioned whereby the united states particularly lead in aiming in targeting the weapons of the other side. This sounds like a very ethical or moral thing to know is kind of like the low ranger shooting the gun out of the bad guys hands. It doesn't even hurt the bagai you've got shot in the it hits him in the gun somehow and he goes. Oh drops the gun. That's kind of the image of counterforce in many people's minds. Well first of all. It's nonsense you get when you do that as you pointed out if you destroy a missile sites and army depots and other military Warehouses you're gonna be you're destroying millions and millions of people but what another thing that makes us particularly appealing is the soviet union had only about maybe two hundred cities of a population more than one hundred thousand so even if you believe in targeting innocent people as part of determines how many warheads the you need two hundred well maybe four hundred so you got to for every target right there. That's not very many. But if you get the target all of the weapons on the other side particularly nuclear weapons but everything else. There's almost no limit. You can then justify thousands which was what was done so another major factor that that stimulated the tremendous acquisition or more nuclear weapons was this phenomenon counterforce. Not just aiming at cities aiming at the other side's weapons yeah I'll add one other another complicate gear. Because i mentioned how determines has this Horrible habit of undermining itself when militaries and to some extent now others as well not just the united states but the russians to are fielding weapons that threaten the weapons of the other side. That in itself is tremendously destabilizing. Because even if you believe in determines the basic idea is we prevent them from attack us because they know that if they were to attack us we could retaliate in such a way as to make that initial attack unacceptable. That is just reinforce set. We can't absorb a first strike and still wipe you out. That's what you mean by deterrence. They're exactly yeah. Did the the terminology that uses first strike first strike capability building attack. The other side second strike capability which is one of the aboard ideas deterrence. Is that after your attack. You could still. You have a second strike capability you can nonetheless retaliate. After having been attack in such a manner as to make that initial unacceptable by the your opponent and that would prevent the opponent from attacking the first place. That's the idea. But if you have a counter for so-called counterforce capability if you could even just in theory attack the other side and destroy their weapons then that other side no longer has a second strike capability and so counterforce itself undermines deterrence. It makes the potential of victim anxious sometimes more than aged that they might be attacked in a first strike had they wouldn't be able to retaliate. Not battalion it's such a wonderful thing however what it does. If you have the ability dalian's theory that prevents initial so as counterforce has developed and it has become the official policy of certainly the united states and as far as we can tell of russia to not of china not of england not of france or or from israel. But if you have a counterforce capability then at least in theory you can destroy the second strike capability of your opponent. Once that has become either in reality true or just in the mind of a potential victim then things become very unstable because in times of crisis potential victim whose forces are being in theory targeted by someone else can say all things are getting pretty intense here. They may attack us than i. In fact believe they may attack us because if they did so we wouldn't be able to retaliate. So what do you do if things are really tense. Might want to attack first yourself because if you way you're not going to be able to deter the other side this is just one and yet despite this tremendous illogicality is tremendous illogic counterforce. It's a very powerful motivating. A idea goal. I because it allows the air force in the navy to justify having lots and lots and lots of warheads because he have lots and lots and lots to target. But also there's a there's legitimate extend moral dotion in the military that you don't want to kill civilians as possibly you know the the moral to those soldiers should fight soldiers so weapons should fight weapons. You should fight you a cities and so for many people. It's actually seen as more moral and yet at the same time profoundly destabilizing and also there's just the last thing about camera force. There's the issue of target practice. Believe it or not. This is ancient military notion going all the way back to the roman legions and probably before where you practice aiming at your target right. Well if your target is moscow have to practice anywhere near moscow's go to destroy moscow but if your target is hardened icbm silo you damn we'll have to hit it pretty much on the spot. So the pressure for increased accuracy. As a result of this ancient notion of target practice is also itself very real driving counterparts. Which is again just one of many factors that undermine the One of the more dangerous ones but not the only is that why obama could not get through The idea of of no first use as a a new policy. The united states and because of nato Our nato allies worry about that kind of logic of deterrence that. If you guys claim you will not strike first than the other guys mainly the russians on the eastern european front. There will think well in that case then will escalate this conventional war and maybe grab a few territories here with conventional weapons and it can escalate to a nuclear work because the united states has said they will have no i use so therefore he backed off from doing that. That was one veto. It wasn't the only one but absolutely it was a major one. There were also domestic considerations. He had to deal at that point with a republican senate. Who weren't going to operate that kind of change Beyond that there's the Was sometimes called. The nuclear umbrella notion that were related to to to what you're saying the notion that United states was going in fact to defend particularly western europe in the early days and to some extent even now and japan and south korea by the use of nuclear weapons and so if there were to be conventional attack on the areas the theory would be that the united states would be able to prevent that from happening by the use of nuclear weapons. Well once we start using nuclear. There's and this leads into yet. Another of the major Areas in which both technology policy undermined the terms. Because let's imagine that there was an attack on germany by the russians a conventional attack. Well if we're to defend germany with nuclear weapons there some real problems. They're not the least of which is one of the nato generals one soviet-era real problem here. The german towns are only two kilotonnes apar- in an interesting way to measure distance. What it was saying. Is you use nuclear weapons on one town destroying the other ones and so you. It's like that little story about you. Had to we had to destroy the village in vietnam and orders. Save it right. You can't save if less than europe or anywhere else. Using nuclear weapons without destroying and so there's a lack of credibility in the use of nuclear deterrence generally and in order and that credibility just like counterforce undermines the turns because let's face it. The use of nuclear weapons is a pretty incredible threat Your imagine let's say you're a policeman with a back act nuclear weapon and you're you know protecting bank in the bug. Robber comes up in his bathroom. Robbed the bank and you say well stop where you are stopping the name of the law or else in the house. What the policeman said. Well as i'm gonna blow us up you me the bank the whole city. It's not going to be believed. It's not a credible deterrence. As a result of that. I'll try to be briefed. But as a result of that there's the whole proliferation of both series and weapons that supposedly are more credible. They're more credible. Why because they're more usable usually because they're smaller they're still nuclear weapons but there's one smaller and the only way to make the use of nuclear weapons than more credible is to make them more usable but the whole justification ultimately the whole existence of nuclear arsenals end up deterrence. Is that there around so that they won't be used right. And so you're stuck in a situation where in order to make the phenomenon of deterrence credible you have to make the weapons more usable. Which is precisely problematic because if there were usable. They're more likely to be used right. And even henry kissinger. Who's one of the first to point out this problem. He was an unknown professor at harvard. In the sixties and he pointed out this problem and tried crazy. Figure out a way to get around that problem of credibility and it has yet to be so yeah. It may be an insoluble problem because of all the logic of deterrence. We've been talking about here. I think the idea of battlefield. Nuclear weapons is more psychological. That is the taboo of not using nuclear weapons. Maybe not doesn't apply to this one little tiny one here that's just slightly bigger than conventional bomb. Say your biggest conventional bomb that's acceptable to us under certain conditions and this one's just slightly bigger than that so we're not really using nukes something like that. Yeah well that you know that. There's a temptation. I think to perceive them that way but i also think that would be incredibly dangerous imaginative nuclear weapons and nuclear weapon. You can say well. We're not really using nukes. But you are and if you do that the other side is going to be profoundly pressure to do the same thing and not only that but almost certainly to ask elaine and once you're on that ladder of escalation big trouble. Yeah and actually the reasons. Ipe the greatest danger right now. Probably is between india and pakistan. We've known here. India has a substantial conventional lead over pakistan the as a result. The pakistanis have been field in battles field. Nuclear weapons and have been giving battlefield. Commanders potential battlefield commanders permission to use them in the event of a conventional war. If that get started it's going to be held tocchet related topic. Do you know what the latest sciences on a nuclear winter take. The last i saw was an alert. Is it twenty eighteen or early twenty nineteen and you know for a time. The winter phenomena was was pushed very hard by stephen jay golden and a number of climate scientists including carl sagan that was criticized. I think unfairly and incorrectly of course is mostly by the reagan administration because winter itself is a kind of it. If you understand the winter that in itself generates or necessitates self deterrence. Because if the use of even a small proportion of your arsenal nevermind with the other side does of yours and was going to generate so much in the atmosphere that it's going to really destroy the the climate of the earth for at least a year or more than there's no justification for deterrent for retaliating. And if you're not going to be able to retaliate. Then how do you deter and three time. Those data the data were uncertain as a result of more recent findings and twenty eight thousand and twenty nine team because of some of those humongous wildfires. That we've had worldwide. There's a substantial increase in the amount of evidence now about the impact of fires on the degeneration of and at this point. The nuclear winter scenario looks very robust Now there's no landed offer sure because the wildfires that we're talking about here are trivial. Compared to the wildfires that would be produced by the use of weapons but it's approved for consoles away. It is proof of concept. that's right. Yeah the drake not quite proof but it strongly suggests Of all the other thing. I was going to say in response to. You're talking about the bureaucracy of nuclear weapons between the different branches of the military. It reminded me of one of my favorite episodes of joe. Rogan's podcast with edward snowden. Who's working in the intelligence. A field in the government. He's in the inside and joan. I both love conspiracy theories in love to talk about them. So you know joe's kind of pushing them so what's really going on in their. You know like tell us the lizard aliens now. He didn't say that but something like an areas. But it's not. The answer was so good is actually. Here's what it is. It's just a bunch of bureaucrats type trying to keep their jobs and the if if they say you know. The threat from terrorism is very low. Maybe we don't need this department in the next budget. And then we lose our jobs so we got to escalate the perceived threat so that we need to hire more people and you know and compete with other agencies in just the same way you said. And and so this is how i forget. This was your booker. one of the other ones. I was reading about the number of of of targets that had multiple of weapons aimed at them. Not just two or three. But like hundreds i forget who uses example but there was some base in northern siberia. That's only opened two months a year because it's frozen otherwise a military base at but we had like two hundred nuclear weapons targeted on just that whereas to have done it. Why because we have all these bombs we've been building and we got to aim them somewhere or else. Why do we have the bums. So we'll just make debt target have two hundred bombs instead of twenty or whatever. The numbers are of bureaucratic fiefdom petition. Which just sounds insane and actually That the book. You're referring to rent vay by fred. Kaplan yes fred caballeros longer. Yeah yeah yeah. And he described the yet in one case. There was a literally a grassy field that was intended as an emerges emergency landing field for some russian bison bombers in case they should need it that was targeted for dozens of weapons and grassy field. There's nothing there but grass wasn't even a structure. I mean one thing that i guess. I'm kind of laughing with tears in my eyes. It's hard not to laugh because it's so absurd. You know but one this speaks to one of the other when all the skeletons in the closet of deterrence in addition to the problem of counterforce the problem of credibility is the the super seemingly simple problem of. How much is enough right. What let's say let's ran. Let's stipulate the lawyers. Let's stipulate that the purpose of nuclear weapons is to determine opponent. At what point. Can you rest days. What pointing say all right. I've got enough. That job is done. We can go on where he of mills the answers. There's no there's no limit it sky's the limit. You know heavens of the limit hundred thousand and thousand fifty thousand and if you if you if you look at the history of how this was done. The numbers kept increasing. I apologize. I think my wife is grinding. Some coffee here. That i could hear it so in other words. It's it's the other guy problem. Even if i don't want to escalate anymore dad data guy might so i need to keep ratcheting up right. And there's no limit to that. There's no end to it Daniel ellsberg no not. Now's william perry. When he was secretary of dissent said he was absolutely. He's absolutely convinced that he can. T could guarantee that there was no circumstance in which the us go who would agree to have fewer of any kind of nuclear weapon than the russians. Did right just even though the you know the numbers winston churchill said at some point you make the rebel bounce really except for the psychology of it right on right and that's very very very potent. Yeah david let's let's wrap this conversation up by talking to the last two pages of your book are your prescriptions of what we should do. So let's say you're president united states you have the house and the senate before you depose yourself and return to your farm as a gentleman farmer through the list. Maybe the top half dozen things you you think should be need to be done to get us off this hair-trigger possible total destruction path. We've been on sure. Well i think the first one is a more general one it really has to do with an a a mental attitude which has disabuse ourselves of the distant thrall ourselves of the notion that nuclear weapons make us safe and all of this is the specific thing to do yet. They'll come to that. The other very closely related to it is take a good hard look at deterrence and recognize that as superficial and primitively appealing as it may seem to be. It is infact profoundly dangerous and it undermines our safety and security much more than enhances it and moreover it provides the underlying justification for the entire nuclear weapons regime. I think the whole thing is built on sand and we need to acknowledge that now in terms of specific things we can really should do. There is a whole list One of them at all of them would be relatively easy. Actually not but they detect logically momentarily. Easy get rid of icbm's get rid of the land-based icbm's these guys are sitting ducks We know where they are. The russians the chinese northbound. Everyone knows they are. It would be Ridiculously easy for an opponent to target them because of that they would be tempted to do so. Because of that united states would be tempted to fire these things off early in any crisis because they are sitting ducks and liable to be attacked so they are really problematic and even if you believe in deterrence having a strategic bombers and particularly submarine launched missiles with the submarine was there in the ocean cannot be targeted is more than enough way more than the. Icbm's are just looking for trouble there outmoded. We should get rid of snuggle number two. We should give up completely on the notion of the kind of so-called'modernisation that the trump administration has supported at this point is moving toward albeit gradually. Again the only modernisation that would be justifiable really would be improving the communication system so that we don't have false alarms. How many do we need again. One trident submarine is more than enough to three. I mean how many shame is what happened to explode on the united states soil to inhibit us from attacking someone else so a we can. We can should stop that altogether. We should move dramatically away from counterforce as a goal because that itself is tremendously destabilizie. Way should undo many of the very dangerous in the trump administration has done we should rejoin the iranian nuclear deal we should rejoin rejoin the intermediate range Nuclear weapons treaty Those are pretty straightforward and none of them would require reducing. our security firmly convinced. Each of them would enhance our secure. But these require acts of congress or can the president just just dictated by by fiat. Like say the. When obama tried to do no i use who you said. The republicans objected to him so he needed the approval of the senate to go to No-first-use use and they didn't give it to them or is that just more informal. I think it's more influenceable but you've clean. Got me that her legal. I'm not sure if he would if this could be done by executive order or if would require legislation in obama's case. He was very aware that had he tried to do. Some of these things He would have faced a revolt not a literal revolt but tremendous opposition from the joint. Jesus the after upper echelons of the military and from the republican senate which would have made it. I think a politically almost impossible. Although legally i could've done it. I i'd i'd have to look up. I appreciate your raising that question. I so now. I use is certainly another one and then to talk about Launch on warning. That was a little more complicated than i thought it was. When i read that in your book super interesting problem yes. I mean the issue there again has to do with credibility wars more among other things i mean there are many areas where game theory comes into this end a number of fascinating strategic into relationships the idea of launching Versus that there. Should there would be an automatic response on the part of really orchestrated by satellites computers such that when there was a quoted guaranteed indication of an attack on the united states. There would be guaranteed retaliation that was necessitated in part according to people by the fact that these. Icbm's are sitting duck among the big problems. They are all the false alarms that we've had it's just terrifying to look at the numbers of these things if you have launch on warning if you quote take people out of the loop then the next time. There's a significant false alarm. World gone so launch warning is a terrible idea. But it's again one of these things By counterforce not so much by hours by. There's so there's that that launch on warning is enormous problem and must never be done. It literally places are eight in the hands of computers. Sometimes they make mistakes not all right but when they do aren't any vaccines here yet. Another thing by the way that we can really should do is change the The current Military political hierarchy whereby a single person. The president of the united states has sold authority to order nuclear weapons. You now have. Donald trump as president has kind of by talla sized the absurdity in the danger of this. He's kind of a one man argument for nuclear abolition. Right right there but a really strong case can be made. No one should have a opportunity. The ability to launch nuclear weapons on his or her no-one not trump not pence not biden. Not harris nobody genet right the best way of course not to have them but long as we have them. It's gotta be Instituted such that. It has to be a decision by a number of people with the opportunity for others to question and this could be done fairly quickly. It's not like it would have to be done within five seconds but they have one person making. That decision means that we're all vulnerable to nutcases. Yeah people who who are not full. Who are angry who are act operating on a insufficient sleep on. Maybe they're psychotic there. Plenty of psychotic leaders in the world that have been will be you know. It's just bizarre of phenomenally. Dangerous to have one person without authority and there have been has been legislation introduced to change that. Yeah and that could be done almost literally stroke and the and the logic behind that is because if the proverbial phone call comes in at three in the morning you're not going to get congress to all meet in the next twenty minutes to make a decision so you need just one person. Okay maybe not maybe three or the joint chiefs are everybody. Has the red zone. Six people or something like that. You're just looking for some checks and balances greatly. Don't have a total nutcase deciding. Listen i'm being kicked out of the white. I'm being kicked out of the white house anyway. I don't want to go down as a loser so as well destroy the world. I don't think that's going to happen. But could yeah. There's nothing lately to prevent that from happening between now and january twentieth right. I don't again. i don't think yeah now. Actually way asleep develop was during the truman administration. Charlie didn't like the idea of the military having control of the use of these weapons and so he instituted. It was a actually it was. I don't think goes legislation. I think it was an executive order that gave the president authority and there is a case for that as you pointed out if again based on deterrence has to be functioning than you have to have the ability to respond very very quickly but there also has to be in. My opinion are not the only one here restraints. That prevent one nutcase from doing anything like that. Yeah i did. During the watergate time when nixon was really going pretty crazy was drinking heavily muttering to himself be wandering the halls of the white house in the middle of the night. It is said it's never been absolutely confirmed. But it's believed to be true. That henry both henry kissinger who was the national security adviser at the time and james slashing slesinger who was the secretary of defense gave orders that if the president were to give any unusual commands with regard to nuclear weapons before they were acted upon the is jaren. Schlesinger would have to be notified. Now there was no legal basis for this But they did this. Because they had real fears that nixon Was going off the rails and you never know what to might do and he had instituted that idea years before of of the. I'm just mad enough. Let them think. I'm just mad enough for crazy enough to do this. This gets to hear discussion of the game of chicken where two cars racing at each other and the one guy throws a steering wheel out the window than the other guy knows. he's not going to swerve. He may just be mad enough to throw the the the the steering wheel out the window. That's right and that that was actually first proposed by herman. Kahn was one of the early. Nuclear strategist if you will. He said the way to win a game of chicken. One way to win. The game of chicken is to throw your stupid. We let the wind up because then you can't swerve and the other guy knowing you can't were has this word. Whoever throws stare at the window. I wins and so what that generates then is competition to be the first to unscrew your steering wheel. Throw them out the window. Another way to win a competition like that has to be crazy and to be known to be crazy right. And that's what richard nixon empty during the latter stages vietnam. War he wandered. He had it known to not minutes that he's going a little bit nuts and you never know what the office is going to do. So you guys better and give up. Because it's crazy. What really do any good. But they may new cannoli end in haiphong. We can't stop them right laid. It was one of my favorite scenes from the best film. Ever done on the bomb. The doctor strange of is where they discovered that the russians had this the doomsday machine. Why didn't you tell us about the whole point of a doomsday. Machine is to tell the other people you have it right it intel top secret. We can't tell them. Tell them that's it. Takes the steering wheel off and he does it and just puts it on the seat rather than throw it out the window so the other guy could see. What's the point you made in your book. That i have that letter by the way all reprinted this ladder in my article and on The anniversary of hiroshima and nagasaki. This letter from leslie r groves. The chief of staff dated august tenth. Nineteen forty five so august ninth was at nagasaki so The last of the two and then before the august fifteenth is when the hero. He to- surrendered so he writes. The next bomb of the implosion type had been scheduled to be ready for delivery on the target on the first good weather after august. Twenty fourth nineteen forty five. We have gained four days and manufacture. Anyway he goes on about this basically saying we have a couple more left hand writes note in there is not to be released over japan without express authority from the president so he must have been told by truman. Hey you don't do this again without my rut signing in on on this officially and there's an interesting history there civilian leader is being on. Fortunately appropriately distrustful of the military. And some of that. Distrust in an interesting sideline here sidebar. Is that the bay of pigs which was of course dramatic at horrible military failure. Under jfk to invade cuba and overthrow castro will kennedy had been told by the cia join chases after this was in the bag. You know we're we're gonna do it. It's going If we do it it'll succeed. Guaranteed okay well. It was a horrible fairly as a result of that. Jfk developed a distrust of the military the so-called brass hats. He call them way. That may have been helped. May actually save your life in my life and the lives of those. We love is when it came to the cuban missile crisis. There were numerous people again within the join chases stab arguing for a nuclear strike. Not on regan's cuba but against the soviet union and jfk didn't trust the military's advice at that point in large part because of will with this during the bay of pigs and so his district Military may well have saved the soul. Yeah there's that scene in my other favorite movie topic. Thirteen days about the cuban missile crisis. So well done. But a lot of that was based on actual transcripts that have since been published in. Which kennedy ass. I forget who it is might have been the joint the joint chief of staff or whoever if we take the missiles out and we kill a bunch of russian soldiers in the process what will crew chef do. What will the russians do. And he says nothing. They won't do anything he's like nothing. Are you crazy. What would we do and they did that to us. Of course we do something like he's shaking his like. Are you out of your mind. What are you gonna do nothing. Then i'll attack. There's another conversation trying to remember. It was with one of the so-called wise men former secretary of state. Whose name i now. Unfortunately and kennedy asks him. It'll come to me in the middle of the night. I'll call you up to two hundred give you the name of it's gonna ask him. What should i do. And he says you should take out the soviet missiles in cuba using either conventional or nuclear weapons. He says well. What with the russians do. Under those circumstances and the response was they will probably attack berlin and baby with nuclear weapons and kennedy. So what should i deal under those circumstances in in the end so as well in you should probably attack the russian nuclear weapons in russia in the soviet union with your of their weapons kennedy said. What do you think what happened. Then and the answer was well maybe then cooler heads will prevail right. I wish i could meant he's a well known as the secretary of state and i a a much all of this is based on how much all this is. Based on just sort of thought experiments of imagining is kind of theory of mind. Mind reading what would the other guy do. If i do this chess game by do this this this this than i do that and he does. And you know we just have so little experience because we can't afford to run a bunch of experiments and to see what other people actually do under. Those conditions can mimic those conditions perfectly. So anyways yeah down the rabbit hole. You've had forty bucks. I think this might be your most important ones simply because of the topic. I mean you talked about threats in general starting with animals and so but of course the the whole buildup is to this problem. This is systemic problem that we have to. We have to solve this problem. I i think it solvable logistically and logically and you outline at the end of the book politically. What has to be done whether it can be done by biden or whoever in the future you know who knows. It's it's really really difficult. So but any case at least we have the the knowledge and people like you outlining how to do it. That's the first start First up so thank you for your work. Thank you for your book. Thanks for coming on the show talking to me about all this stuff super important. You're very welcome mike. Lynn sake. You'll and maybe five years or so. I'll come back and we'll congratulate each other as the world. We achieve nuclear zero now. We can worry about other things. We wanna make the world safe again. All right david. Thank you take care okay bye-bye.

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