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Can You Teach Fish to Climb Trees? | Elon Musk versus Tom Brady
"Can you teach a fish to climb a tree. Can you teach Republicans to wrap. Can you teach eighth fish to climb a tree. Can you teach corporate commander to be a nice guy you see Albert Einstein once famously wrote. Everybody is a genius but if you judge fish by its ability to climb a tree it will limit its whole life believing it is stupid. The question I have for you at this point of your journey together is what is your genius. Shows don't need a celebrity narrator to introduce the show but they show two-man eight kids co created by two different women thirteen multi million dollar businesses. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the time. Shaw Walk. Yes yes and yes threatening split the exciting time. Show on your radio and podcast downloaded on today's show. We are joined with the man. The Myth the legend Dr Brick. Rick how are you sir. How excited to have you on the show today? I'm excited about a great. Many things excited to get into today's topic which is can. Can you teach fish to climb trees Elon. Musk versus Tom. Brady are you versus everybody nobody else. Let's let's let's talk about this. There's a neat thing that was created back when I was in college called Napster which allowed you to download files commercials absolutely download files. That was kind of a NEAT NEAT nifty thing and it changes the music industry right and then there's this thing that came out a little bit later called facebook book All right now facebook. I I don't like facebook. I'm not into facebook. I don't WanNa go on facebook. I'm Kinda Bill Belichick as relates to facebook. But I think it's very important for you the listener to understand what facebook instagram twitter youtube. What what they've done to you and if it's a good thing great and if it's a bad thing it's okay when I want you to be aware of and let's have this conversation for a second? FACEBOOK essentially allows you to be perpetually actually distracted in a great game called comparison and Jealousy. So let's let's give it example. Let's say that my good friend friend. Dr Breakfast is on facebook. And my good friend Jason's on facebook. Now Jason. You just got married right. I did and he got married. And what is your wife's name. Her name is Alexis Alexis. The Lexus is a very kind person. Beautiful Lady Great Lady. Nice Person Okay so you get married to Alexis and your photos turned out. Great Andrew took photos. I'm Andrew used to work for us when I owned epic photos now. Andrew decided to volunteer to take photos for you and the photos turned out great all there. So they're really. They really did great. You picked it's a great place you got married. I'm getting married at the botanical gardens. Which is a beautiful location Can you explain to the listeners. What that location looks like? It's like a massive park with a a bunch of plants and flowers and fountains and flowing just streams giant pond and the upkeep is. I don't know like what they pay the groundskeepers but they should be paying them. Like a crapload because these guys do a great job like everything is just pristine it is it really is a wonderful facility and and did this just in. It's nicer than most people's backyards. So what happens is though is some people not not you not not you have other people. I'm sure it's not our listeners. But some people then began to see. See your photos on facebook of of your wife and you and they start to go. I wish my life was that good. Because it's like it because that's a great time and left to get married great photos with this or they start to say. I wish my wedding photos were that good right. I wish my photos would have turned out that good. I wish my I alive. Would Dr Breakfast. Okay he's like Donna's he's a fitness guru. He's a he's a chiropractor he's a great guy and so Dr Brac you know no. He's on facebook just doing his life ready doing maybe they post highlights of a birthday or a party or something positive but then someone else goes. Oh God I'm not as fit as him And they feel bad so then people go on facebook and they're like well before I post this photo myself. I'm going to change the angle of the camera because this angle shoot up or even straight on. What kind of fat? If I shoot down I looked kind of thin so I wanted to change. It can go ahead real quick before we take the photo. Can I just change real quickly. And and then we have little filters we can. There's little filters do you change the filter. 'cause you want to remove any impurities any type of thing that would make you look normal. They make you look like a real person because we don't WanNa look like a real person we want to look like. We're a super person because we don't want to be real real we WANNA be. We want to be better than real. And so what happens. Is We start to compare. So what are we talking about. We're talking about. Is that you listening today. Have a gift. I believe that you weren't a mistake. I believe that you were born with a purpose and you have a gift and I don't know what the Gift Tis but I do know that you have a gift purpose and you were born to do something well. I don't know what it is. I don't know maybe you were born to be a chiropractor. Maybe you were born to be a great musician. Maybe you were born to be. I don't know drummer. Maybe you're you're born to be great baker. A great mom great dad. Maybe you're born to be a great dentist but if you were born to be a fish and then I teach you how to climb a tree if you attend my tree climbing school and I'm trying to teach you Mr fish to climb a tree. You're not going to do well and Jason. Why would have fish not do well in my tree climbing schools? Well it could be due to lack of arms or opposable thumbs. The fact that he's the opposable thumbs. Okay continue he or she may be gasping for air as they're trying to do it seeing as how they're outside of element unless it's an underwater tree so I'm going to give listeners some examples where we before we get into this idea because I want you to figure out today what is your gifting. What were you called to do all right? The word vocation originally meant calling. That's what it meant in the original. Latin is calling. We're vocation means calling or vocation means calling so I'm asking you what are you into. What is the thing that you pursue when you do you like it? It's like it's called the flow state three lose track of time and space. Because you're so into it. So Jason You the notable quotable for Mr Albert Einstein who by the way yes he was a physicist yes. He did things where you're going. I don't really. We know how applies that like. What did he do? He was a physicist. I mean how does that really impact our life. I'm sure a lot of people think about but yeah it was genius. What did he do of practical value of practical value? He was the one who introduced to President Roosevelt. The idea that the Nazis were developing a nuclear weapon. He pointed out that. Hey if we don't get on IT WE'RE GONNA die why because we hadn't started our program yet and they were almost done so we started the Manhattan project. Albert Einstein recommended that we choose Robert Oppenheimer to lead the project. They began to make the nuclear weapon. That we then dropped on the Japanese thus ending World War Two. We would all be speaking German right now. Though if Albert Einstein who was Jewish but he was born in in Germany did not save America so he read their Albert Einstein in my opinion is one of the founding fathers of modern freedom. We would not be free today day if it weren't for Albert Einstein so please read the notable quotable Jason from Albert Einstein. Albert Einstein says everybody is genius but if you judge a fish by its ability not to climb a tree it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid. The question I have for you at this point of our journey together is what is your genius okay. So let's I want to get Dr Brex. Take on this. I'm going to. I'm going to throw myself under the bus to explain to you in what areas of my life. I am official trying to climb a tree. I went to school school and at school. I am semi dyslexic. Which means that? I don't understand the words reading on a page until I read it like the third time time thus it's hard for me also have very very limited capacity to memorize things so when I read something I have to read it over and over over and over and over and over so a lot of school consists of this all right class. I want you guys to do today. Once you get your book your history book read pages eighty through one ten and I want you to memorize memorize the states and the state capitals well for me. That's like an impossible task that to me is like asking a fish just to climate tree but our modern school system is based on memorization. That's the system drew so therefore because that is the system is memorization. I I can't participate in that conversation. I can't do well. They're so therefore in school. I thought I was an idiot and then and I realized fairly quickly. I'm not an idiot. I'm just a fish trying to climb a tree but I tried for a long time to climb that tree thinking I was an idiot. Another example physical coordination. Don't have it so I tried to live up to Dad was a very good athlete. I tried to play sports and I was okay at certain sports I got I got to be pretty good at basketball. Doesn't great but I was trying to climb a tree. Three and I was a fish what was born to do when I'm good at his business is very easy to me. It's what I do it thinking of logical conclusions of if you do this. This works like the scientific method towards business. If I do this this works asking me to me. It's very easy to go. I wonder I wonder how everyone gets to top Google. I know what I'll do. I'll download all of the websites that come up top for the search Tulsa deejays. That aren't mine mine and then I'll look for common denominators in. That's what I did and then I figured it out. I didn't know how to download site a pay. Some the students who are interns to come download the website. It was crazy as they were learning internet. They were they were college writing how to code and learning technology but they were. We're near new. They were about ready to graduate from. Osu with a degree in computer science and they knew how to download websites they didn't know how to get them to the top. Google into me. I just thought if we download the ones that are top. Eventually we'll find a common denominator and that's how I learned about title tags and descriptions and key words and content and all the things I learned about so again. I am naturally borne to be Internet marketing. Search engine hiring business growth accounting marketing expert guy. It's e business easy for me because I feel called to it so dark. Dr Breath you are. Do you feel called to chiropractor do. How do you notice how I was headed towards a medical school while I was in college alleged Kind of the opposite of you. A school came very easy to bring up God gifted me with a great memory. So memorization was an easier thing for me so real quick. Somebody needs to hear this it. It doesn't mean that I have to resent you right or vice versa. No we need to understand our gifting and respect each other because of them and to not compare in order to feel jealousy get off of social media and stop comparing Dr Brick is a very smart man for a good at memorizing. But you're also we're all we're all smart in our own way so you were good at memorizing good at school so you thought I should go to medical school right so I was headed towards medical school and then realized I was disenfranchised franchised with that whole idea and then I discovered chiropractic for the first time I hadn't experienced it as a patient But I started looking into it. Further and further deeper. I got into it the more I realized aligned with my passion and so it did very quickly become apparent to me that it was actually my calling the the philosophy of health. That health comes from the inside out that God has designed to heal that we're one with our world and the nutrients that we bring into. Our Body are important for its health and wellbeing and so all those aspects together gather to said yes. This is this is you. That is good that that right there. My friends that right there. That is good. Now let's say you're listening right now and you say I don't know my calling. Well I'm GonNa say this and then Dr Brooks has as a hot take care. I'm going to say this us. You should spend your entire day all day. Yeah Yeah you know no I know I know right now according to Nielsen I want you put it on the show notes Okay Nielsen. The average average person consumes eleven hours per day of media. Just do a Google Search for eleven hours of Media Nielsen. You'll find it in Google and put a link in the show notes but the average person we. We don't have time for you. The average person you have time but the average person doesn't the average person you listening right now. You have the time. The average person does not have the time to figure out. What's it's going to do with their life? Because they are on social media most of the day eleven hours a day. They don't have to date. They are busy right now. Thankfully when I was trying to figure this out social media within exists so so you sat down and thought about what you wanted to do. I really made a very conscious effort to figure out what path I was going to take and then very very intently intentionally went down a certain direction but I was going to say that I really felt that I could succeed in the school academic setting and so I knew you you know when there was a test What the measure was to success however once I graduated and I was in business? That's when I became fish climbing a tree so just the opposite of you you clay I was I was way out of my element trying to run a business and so that's why I figured out I had to put other people around me like you to be able to to make it for my shortcomings so that we could complement one. Another and the thing. is we all everybody out there in some area of our life we are a fish trying to declamatory right. Now I'm GonNa Queue up audio for you. This is what I spent my entire day on. Yesterday I spent over twelve hours yesterday on this and the way we spend my saturdays just to listeners knows I get up around three usually. Yesterday we were up late on Friday. A kids went to a football game. And so we're later. So Jason United met at the office at what time four forty eighty five or five. Is it five four five forty five so we met clients and do we did and then we got home around nine nine thirty I think and then hung out with family and did some chores about my western flowers and went to the store and watched a movie with my wife and swam and had a great time but then when the kids are off doing their thing and they go visit their friends kind of pocket of time so I had about twelve hours I was working on so it was like five hours on Saturday and maybe two on Thursday night and then another one or two Monday. But I've been working on this all week I. I'm very excited about this. This is an audio td. JAKES has a great sermon. He just did called called grasping the moment. Td jakes grasping the moment. And it's about how you if you are the one who it feels called to do something then you're gonNA run into opposition and people that don't agree with you and people that want to form committees and people and he talks about how trying to seek consensus is the worst thing possible because nobody is going to agree with you because if they already agreed with you they would have already done it and so it's a really good message but I turned it into this this hour of one so I want you to understand that whenever get ready to anything how that were. I WanNa pump power because and everything starts not with the board. I know with the with the votes everything starts with once. The power of change begins the warrant whether it is one Nelson Mandela whether it is one plummets who decides to sit down or whether it is one person the decides we should be able to fly A. Whether it's one person telephone it starts with once you have to decide first first of all this morning if you're going to be the ones are you going to be the person who's always waiting. Some one whenever the enemy knows that it is coming always sets traps to stop them from succeeding. Because they're the one whenever the enemy knows that the one it's coming the craft to stop them from succeeding because they're the ones hit this because they're the one I want to talk to some people folks that have been up on decrease the attack attack that blindsided you attack where tack on another level. That doesn't even live up with your situation. I want to understand what the other stand about you is that you are. The one who so much is given much is required. And so the tech starts out talking about Abraham because Abraham is the one and Abraham had to move out from his country get away from his tidbits because he was the one so he was a misfit because it was one so he had to live in isolation and separation because he was the one so he probably was lonely only because he was the one and it took a long time for it to materialize his significance because he was the one and so he was traveling nomadic as a business from place to place always never fitting in with any crew. No vote would take him because he was the one that from people who have always been a little isolated server pin accepted never been a part of the crowd. He's always happens because you are. You probably not likely to the one the one I don't fit in. I don't guess what me Bo- over without a fight the one on the the at the one willing to become her so because I'm not without the law so don't stop working for people to come to clean it with some polls and census at trying to get everybody to come in for competitive with your visa. They say men with your breach. Go the power to work forty hours a week at put my check in deterrence to keep the Gore. Disrupt my lights all all for myself self. If you have it just with all your utilities at the same if you ever get where you can go to the store without a pocket full of coupons. We'll we also we'll be old. Well let me take his. That's all because you just. It's called fighting this level. fiving on that way to continue hurts my money by the cloud. The Strip is develop resistance. It is resistant stopped if it I if AH thrift from the struggle struggle right now. That's why it was good for me that I was flicked it. That's why the Devil Chase Teeth or the Pike Utah Utah a holiday. Let the how about a moment about moment. Always have an attack Sir Sir Thomas trouble right south trying to get a witness a witness to change what you I thought we were about ratification. Coppery you. You Ain't going back. Hundreds is temporary discounts. We know rustling between temporary discomfort at long term benefit. Never from make a permanent decision over a temporary condition to prison. Discussing this right on the cusp of something and your values because of determining your choices and if you value the right thing you will will suffer for you will wait for you will endure for you will sacrifice forth you will know the long term benefit outweighs immediate gratification. What kind of sick person would spend their entire day by themselves? Editing together a sermon. That's an hour and a half long and turning it into like a six minute highlight reel and then set it to music. I don't no that's what I that's what I do. I'm a fish and somebody else might go. Why people ask me all the time at conferences? How long did that take you? Why why would you do that? Well the thing is. I'm a slow learner. But I have found if I listened to the same sermon twelve times. I'm starting to get the idea. I'm starting to feel like brother. TD JAKES was teaching us. That when you're the one like Abraham Your family is not going to like thank you. If you're the change agent if you are the irritant that causes the oyster to make the Pearl. People are not going to like you. If you were the pressure that causes the coal to become the diamond people. Not like you so I started to realize okay. This is why so many people dislike me but yet I benefit so many people so last year my wife and I were just sitting down. Doing the math looks like we've helped our clients create over over a billion dollars of growth last year. A billion that's awesome so that's cool but man I've irritated their competitors right because a competitors like you're taking get our business away from us Principle that only worked with one type of business in every city that irritates people the rule that I'll fire people who don't do their jobs in that era people and so the idea that like if you work for me and I ask you to write content and if you don't I'm GonNa fire you accountability. These ideas that they're irritants. So I realized of I am the one I cannot run it by my team. I can I ask them for a census or a survey or seats. Okay because I have to be the one and then if you have a value or something you really believe in. You're going to struggle for it. So because I will not work with companies in the adult industry or the casinos os or companies benefit off of liquor sales. Whatever it causes people to get mad at me when I tell somebody I'm not gonNa work with your vaping shop or your it bothers people and so what happens is is that I had to learn this idea and td? JAKES was his his fish. He's a fish in his ocean. In is eliminating the word he takes a text. That is very much a living text. But it's the text was as Christians. We believe that it was the spire. Oh my God. divinely inspired text. He takes text which frankly I think is boring and he makes it relevant any illuminates the taxed next but Brecca mean. Have you ever read the Bible does. Is it exciting to you. When you read the words some well sometimes sometimes some give me some parts that are excited like James? Did you like proverbs. You like what do you like so I like story and so you know. There's a lot of story in the Bible yet so different characters different personalities Because I believe there are real people come so I'd rather not calm characters but people in the Bible that their story is told it's fun it's fun for you so it's yeah. I enjoy reading the stories about them. But there's also parts of the Bible Leviticus numbers where it's very mundane? It's very boring. Um It's just kind of a chronological history of you know who was who's father who was whom mm Father Yep And those kinds of things and so. Yeah that's not necessarily a lot of fun but You read about things that I think are almost written for script for like a movie scene scene and I wished Hollywood would grab a hold of it but if you think of like a Samson there's been a couple of movies that have been made about Samson and it's like man you guys have just missed the mark But then you've got you know David There's also been a movie. I think. Richard greer actually Was The star of the movie that was about David's life and he's just a phenomenal person in that means full of turmoil and he's full of You know some controversy and and some hypocrisy within himself but he wrestles with it and he tries to follow God. It has this nature about him. That wants to do his own thing as well. He's a hero in a champion in one moment and then he he falls away. Does something totally inappropriate and wrong on another He's actually like a hero for the nation but then he becomes a murderer and and An Altar Everybody and I think everybody out there. Everybody out there okay. Some of you are going to say. I love reading the Bible. It's summer going to say it's hard to read the Bible but we all agree that. Td jakes his ability. Due to illuminate and bring context to the Bible is incredible. Now Jason before you worked here. Here's kind of a quiz show before you came to where you've been working here now for many years all in all almost three three okay. So I'm going to read these names to you and you tell me if you you knew these names before working with me okay. Where are you familiar with? Lee Cockrel I was not okay Lecoq or the former executive vice president of Walt Disney world. Resort's who wants managed at the same time forty thousand people. What about Napoleon Hill? New of him never never anything. Okay okay interesting yeah okay. What about what about Andrew Carnegie that one again was another name. That was like you know big but I knew nothing personal campbell. What about bill camp? Did you know about Bill Campbell. No and I'm actually better now that you've introduced me to bill. Can you explain to listeners. Who Bill Campbell is the super coach? The coach of the some of the most successful people in the world the business coach for Steve Jobs for apple for the founders of Google Eric Schmidt there's the CEO Larry and Sergey Bazo saw. Jeff Bezos facebook. Unbelievable business coach. Bill Campbell look him up where you. I'm just kidding if he more names. Were you familiar with Daniel Goeman. I was not okay. Daniel Goldman is the is the guy I wrote. The book emotional intelligence you know what about what about David Bach. The Guy who wrote the automatic billionaire no those new. What about? Let's go with Jim. Rohn the best selling author speaker. NOPE nope what about. What about Chet? Holmes the author of the ultimate ultimate sales machine. I was not a bug right there. I got US buzzing him and his. What about the Elon Musk yeah. Did you know what he did. I I knew he was the guy from Tesla. Okay but did you know much beyond that you know about his eighty hour work week world know or pay pal or city nope I just thought he was the crazy man. who made the the electric cars did you know a lot about proverbs? Ten four that God blesses the diligent and punches. The hands of this lacquered. I did not see. This is what I'm saying is working here for me. I am a fish my water. My Ocean is growing companies right. But if you're out there today and your ocean is adjusting the human spine. You're a chiropractor or you're a dentist or your lawyer. Whatever the crap you are it doesn't mean you're an idiot? It just means we all have a gifting and one area and we've gotta find what that it is. We gotta find it. We got you have it. You gotta get off facebook for just like an hour and then maybe ten more today but just get off there all day and think. Think about your life and ask yourself where are you right now versus. Where do you WANNA go? You have to ask yourself this thing. If you don't don't ask yourself where are you are versus where you want to be. What's going to happen by default Jason? What's going to happen? What's going to happen if you do? Not Ask yourself where you are now versus where you want to be. WE'RE GONNA end up getting stuck and you're going to go through the same motions day in and day out wondering how come I don't have the things or you're going to be that guy who's looking at brooks photos on facebook saying I don't have that that how come I don't have that. How come I don't have a pool? How come I don't have a business? How can we don't have a great family huck because you've got to stop jealousy and comparison? We've got to start figuring out. What our ocean is it so important? I've known what I was supposed to do since I was sixteen so I've had head start here. I've known that I was called to make copious copious amounts of money growing businesses. That's what I do. But you Mr Listener Mrs Listener. We have to figure that out. Now Abraham Maslow's Those of you who went to college might have studied. Studied maslow's hierarchy of needs. He's the first guy really to get into positive psychology psychology. There you've had Freud and he's talking talking about the odor. This complex the Electra Complex. And it's weird but let's talk about Abraham Maslow's he was teaching about what makes people successful. What what is it with the notable quotable from Abraham Maslo? Oh yeah all the evidence that we have indicates that it is reasonable to assume in practically every human being and certainly almost every newborn baby that there is an active will towards health in impulse towards growth or towards is the actualization greeted again. Please all the evidence that we have indicates that it is reasonable to assume practically every human being and certainly almost every newborn in baby that there is an active will toward health in impulse towards growth or towards the actualization. What he's saying is that everybody his called to have success in some area? That's what you WanNa do but if you don't get depressed and that's what it's called a casino casino. Is You go there. Because you're seeking kings of success and you can't have find it yet and so you go there and you go leaning leaning in all of a sudden that they meaning that replaces uses that winning so for me. I hear winning dignity. That's what I hear so never I have a successful day. I get something done on. I make money I sell something grow something I build something I go letting meaning I get that little rush of energy that little blue. I get that from winning. I don't get that from from listening but people who don't have any winning because they don't know their ocean yet. They haven't figured out where they're supposed to be swimming. They then go to the casino see now and have you ever seen this bracket he's seen this. Oh absolutely but then also going back to facebook. I mean there's been a ton of money. Dropped into the psychology of the little dot with the Red Dot. That tells you how many messages or how many new locations and then the how many likes and that's for a lot of people that's their only Ding Ding. Ding is is a hey I got two hundred likes and so the other day we made a video called wake up and wake up this video We put out out there and the video originally put out there is that I've interviewed a lot of super successful people and when I've interviewed billionaires millionaires. I've asked them what is your daily routine. Look look like this. Is the video Makita Brooklyn here and this video here. It has five hundred eighty one views right. And it's it's it's a compilation elation of me interviewing I think it's like twenty five people or so and I'm asking everybody from Craig Rachelle Wolfgang Puck. What time do you wake up? What does your routine look like? And they all basically saying. Hey I wake up previous to six in the morning six thirty and I have a routine I do every day and I don't deviate from it. That's that's that's the thanks like someone hit play real quick and most successful people do this. I hope that you can be inspired by what I do. I need you to understand that the bigger no dreams early web. That's Eric Thomas Right there. One of our guests. This is Melissa. Hartwig I am quite famous in my community at least for my commitment to my morning rich the founder of whole thirty the best selling book in program I do not deviate. I do not deviate. I do not deviate from it for any reason even when I travel even when I'm on vacation in the morning routine is preserved and I figured this out a long time ago realizing that as an entrepreneur working for myself. I didn't start the day off the way that I intended it. My Day was gonNA run me over. I wake up in the morning around thirty without an alarm upright five. Jay Papas on the Best Selling Co author of Gary. Keller the book. One thing I've ten most as my wife and I we work out. We eat healthy anyway. This videos never probably GonNa have a million views and it'll explain to you why because I'm teaching how to be successful and people don't want to be successful you do because you're one of our listeners. And I get you but most people they just want to go on facebook comment on things and letting meaning. Now if I wanted to make video about sex drugs or ice cream kittens I could get a million views all any eighty us make a video about sex. Drugs is creamer babies. I mean if I made a video about cute babies confusing if all of those are in one thing right now but I'm serious if you watch if I'm a search for quick for cute babies on youtube and there's videos thirty six million views right now so of babies laughing. So hey buddy are you hungry. Are you hungry. Thirty six million views folks. It almost almost have to club myself in the Crotch to stay awake while watching this video I couldn't. I would never want to watch this video. I don't I don't get how you can have three million views and I might just be a Weirdo but I don't WanNa Watch somebody else's kid laugh. As the average person is spending eleven hours per day consuming media have been cute kittens. This was fifteen million views of this video with kittens. That's all people want to do is spend their day. You've watched you know the the youtube or excuse me the facebook APP for however many hours rive hours and you've just gone down down. It's like taking a depressant over and over and over and then you gotta have a video that's laughter or Kittens so that you can get back up and I'm not depressed. I'm not I'm not depressed that I have five hundred and eighty views of five hundred. I don't care I'm not my again. I'm just throwing it out there if I make a post on facebook which by the way for the Listeners out there listening to our show it's heavily contrived so all my facebook all my social media is very intentional Somebody somebody who is not me is posting and we sit down on Mondays and agree on what's going to go out and I hate it but it has to go out so we posted bill belichick video that it's a great interview but I just I just hate the medium of social media. Such a distraction for people keeps distraction. That keeps you away from taking the actions. Sion's that you need to take it's a distraction. Sort of it keeps you from taking the action. You need to take a distraction. And so but I I'm not gonNA compare and feel bad all right but let's let's get into this self actualization I want explain Maslow's hierarchy of Needs Pyramid Okay and the pyramid is broken up into into these five levels okay so level. One of the period of of a pyramid is psychological. Needs Basically Maslo points out we all. We'll have a need for food water warmth and rest food water warmth and rest. I'm not sure people are aware of this in Communist China which I'm not a fan of it all all and communist China essentially. If you don't work you don't eat which I do like that feature so America though we've created this thing called Los Angeles where you GonNa say Welfare. Have you looked up real quick. Look up on your computer. Quick look up the Los Angeles a Los Angeles Tent community real quick. Because we're about this on Rogan's podcast. You did. Yeah okay. Yeah so I just talked to. Michael Levine about this he he lives in La urging it now but there. Oh Yeah and there's in this area of La there is I Dunno thousands and thousands of people that now choose to live Homeless lifestyle out there in La and it's it's huge And our country somehow believes that if you're lazy that you you deserve food water warmth and rest and so a huge. There's a part of me that can kind of get behind this idea. And that is that you know if you're here in Toss Oklahoma. Yeah I'll help get you a bus ticket and you can go live in la where the weather's great. I agree with that idea now. Behind that that aspect of the idea Jason Look what percentage of our federal budget goes to welfare place. Look that up. I will say this ten community is nuts. Yeah but this is what happens when you tell people people were still going to give you food and still going to give you water and shelter. If you don't want to do anything so Clark will keep working very hard today. And he's going to work the first half half of his day for you. Remember your entrepreneur out there. It's called a graduated tax system and the more you make the more they take a lot of my clients discover how taxes work on the first year I worked with him You'll have an entrepreneur that comes in who has a goal to make two hundred thousand a year right and I explained to them and you'll you'll need to earn four hundred thousand like what I'm like. Yeah because you're going to pay about a half your income in taxes and they go out no no. It's not true. Texas doesn't have a state income tax and the federal income tax is is what it is and then when you buy a car and you have to pay a tax you buy a house you have to pay real estate property tax. You buy dinner pay pay tax. You go to the grocery store you pay tax. You buy clothes pay a tax. You look at your cell phone bill and see what percentage of your bill is tax and you realize that you're gonNA spend about half your income on taxes. Jason you find a hard statistic from a credible source that shows the percentage of the American federal federal budget that goes towards welfare for. Have you found something. Well it looks like from the Peter. G Peterson Foundation. Okay have a full report from the Fiscal Year of two thousand sixteen said recently it was the most complete set of data data available from snap snap assisted approximately forty four million beneficiaries. I want to know a percentage of the federal budget that we spend on taxes. It costs seventy one billion or two percent of the overall. We're all federal budget. So two percent goes to welfare okay but in two thousand twelve it was two hundred and thirty five billion that was spent that was twelve percent of the overall federal budget. I I don't believe you statistics I want you to look up this percentage. I don't like that. I don't like that website. Look up the percentage of Americans that don't pay income tax. Let's do that. That's probably the best way to look this. Okay and find me a credible source. Don't do if you if you quote me nerdwallet or something I don't want to. I want to quote like I want to quote Fox. I want to quote CNN. I want to quote USA USA. Today give me something. What percentage of Americans do not pay taxes? Okay so Morgan Freeman says get out of here you find it something over there I am scrolling scrolling through. Nothing's more terrifying than to look up statistics on here but it's what percentage of Americans do not pay income taxes. You will find it. We'll come back to this. Oh Yeah did you find it. Okay Okay You keep looking. So we're moving our way up so these psychological needs then you have safety needs. I want to feel security and safety right. Then we WANNA feel the next level's belonging nece Love and needs inaction connection friends by the way by the way by the way. If you have a friendship it requires what for the friendship to work requires having values you share values and you share time do share values and T- starts with a time so if you have a thousand facebook friends are they really your friends I mean can you spend time with a thousand people. I found this to be true. He he who finds a friend finds a good thing and most people have a hard time. Having more than six friends myself included. Why because it requires spending time time? Okay so you gotta get off this thing. Oh Man oh man look at. I bet you an extra of all relationships Ryan I mean we're talking about buying. Ui Flowers and you know you've got to be intentional. Snow with your time with your children with your wife with your business with your friends Whatever relationship you want to have be positive and continued to progress? You have to spend time. I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA Jason. There's a link you can look this up real quick if you'll type in more than forty four percent of Americans pay no no federal income tax more than forty four found out from the The Tax Policy Center. Yes and this is you can find the link right now on Marketwatch DOT COM or the tax policy center. You can find and it you can also find it in Forbes. I want to put a link to the Forbes article. Alright yeah the Forbes article better than I thought I thought it was just over fifty percent so well let revive is is an improvement from what I thought well let me read. Forbes says new estimates of how many households pay no federal income taxes this is Forbes shows right now says the Tax Policy Center has updated its estimate of the percentage of households that will pay no federal income tax this year now. This article came out in Twenty fifteen eighteen right and at that point we now figure it is forty five point three. Nearly five percentage point higher than just twenty thirteen. So we'll make sure we get this article article. I want to put a link to it. Says new estimates Jason. It's called new. Estimates of how many households pay no federal income tax. That you find that they're on Forbes you will find it and and you know I'll put a link here for forty five point. Three percent of people pay zero taxes that was in two thousand fifteen went up five percent from twenty thirteen. I'm I'm just telling you right now. According to all the estimates I have read everything. I've listened to all that I've consumed. It went up again but as there was an article that Jason was was Just click on it. Looks like it may. There's another Ford Four. Excuse me Article that says forty seven percent. Yes and then I want to put a link to those articles gets going up right so I'm just pointing out this for you. This is this is the kind of BS. That's why I was attacking your steadily. I'm not attacking you. I'm just saying if you pay no taxes. WHO's paying your taxes taxes? We are so. Don't give me that crap that only four percent of our budget or two percent budget goes to welfare. Half of the people pay no taxes. So who's paying for the roads. Who's paying for their college? WHO's paying for their military? WHO's paying for the security? You are why 'cause you have a job. Why am I going off on this? I'm going up on this. Because every single person needs to find their ocean. You need to find the ocean where you can be a fish. And then you need to contribute value to society -IETY and then you pay a percentage of your income in taxes. But if you want to be a hipster running around recycling your clothes living in Los Angeles you are a Maggot on our society. You are a Maggot. You are a soul sucking maggot a parasite parasitic. You're sucking the lifeblood of our country. You gotta find the ocean where you can be a fish and then you must work work because you you need to contribute into your thing okay. Contributor be a contributor right now the next areas belonging this of loving relationships now you move up. A Steam Prestige Christina in the feeling of accomplishment layer one. The First Year of the pyramid is psychological needs the second level level two is safety threes belonging. Now you have to earn your way up this this. You're not just given this. You have to work your way up. This esteem needs prestige and a feeling of accomplishment. You don't get that feeling you can't shortchange your way to the feeling. No no no. I have a way to short change it. I know how we can. We can get that fake. I've away Let's make the cat videos and put them on youtube and run around talking about how we have forty five million views and you get a little hit. 'cause you went viral. Let me explain. Hey may make money off of Youtube. This is a true thing. All right for every one million views on youtube will pay you two thousand dollars now. Okay so if you made a video with a million views you got two thousand dollars ten million views you got twenty thousand dollars so if you want to spend your day making cat videos right you can do that. Actually make money but you have to make videos about things that people want to look at. And I'm going to repeat the categories either little tips for you to be viral on Youtube. One people people love sex all they love sex. People have controversies. They love scandals. All you got to have a scandal controversy. People love celebrities. They love La L. A. Bieber. bieber's doing this doing that kind of doing this conyers doing that. They love celebrities. Bill of controversy They love sex. People love watching other other people fail. People love to know the pastor that got exposed for this for the celebrity who's falling people love to see people lose people love to see about the new person's addiction. Didn't people love gossip and rumors they just they just love it. They love cat videos. They love puppies cats. Now if you WANNA put a video up there like you know how how to achieve success. No one's going to watch them because some people don't WanNa have success and if you WanNa talk about gaming the system the secrets the government doesn't want you to know about getting federal loans. People love that Kinda stop. People Love Ella. Manati people have inside nine eleven inside job stories. People have controversy but people don't don't be posting things of practical value because people weren't really into that right now now esteem needs now. The next level is self actualization. Achieving One's full potential. This is where are you are doing what you were called to do. You are a fish in your in the ocean. Now you feel good when you're in there helping your patients gifts aligned and get into to proper health do you like it I love it. Do you feel like you're in flow state where you kind of loose talk space and time like you could do it all day all day and the thing is we have people ask me if I ever have a bad day. I know I'm helping people all day long. But then I even you know I'll go home Having worked really hard physically you know throughout the day mentally emotionally. I'm just giving giving giving and yet your batteries still. It's like an endless reservoir of an endless resource of energy. I mean I still go to bed tired. I mean when my ahead spilled them I go to sleep but I feel good. I mean yeah I do I do this is what's crazy so crease ways. People say to me all the time it happened just yesterday yesterday. A Guy says dude you up at three thirty yesterday as no yesterday just been dry really got up at five. Why because we're up late with the football thing? I got up at five. Thank you for the office at five forty five but most days. Yeah three o'clock so you get up at three and they're like. How do you do that and not get tired like well one? I'm in my flow state baby. I'm doing what I was called to do. I love it now. You say we'll clays or are there ever people ever there ever times in your business. Coaching career. You don't love it. Oh Yeah let me I tell you what I don't like Lazy People. I don't understand them. I don't want to understand. I don't empathize with them. I don't deal with people that are like I just astounded to fill a motivated. I don't know what that's like. So Jason What tends to happen if you work at elephant in the room and you find heart you find it hard to stay motivated you find it hard to you get to your work by ten. AM or whatever your shift is what tends to happen well. That's I haven't done that personally but I've seen it happen. The person who finds it hard to get to work eventually starts to show up later and later or they miss meetings or and they're they're they're also actively just not engaged. What should I keep them? Around is some sort of life project and try to fix them at the expense of our customers. Some would but we don't because it's not good and so my customers who loved to exchange their hard earned money for goods and services. That are a good appreciate me for firing idiots in for pulling the weeds and you might say well. Don't you feel bad. No why because it's my flow state. I believe I was called the fire. Idiots that's what I'm good right. Think about this for a as an example. Kobe Bryant the famous. NBA Player your turn now venture capitalist. He said I can't relate to lazy people. We don't speak the same language. I don't understand you. I don't want to understand radio so as an example this is interesting. We had a member of our family who offered to pay for me to go to Europe as a gift And I appreciate the gesture but I don't WanNa go to your so. I set it on and go to Europe. We don't WANNA go. You're up but we're going to pay for it. You can go uh-huh Nope I'd rather coach by client do what I do. Mother recorded twelve hour. Show breaking down one and a half hour jake sermon into twelve minutes or six minutes. I'd rather I'd rather do the same thing everyday regular Atwood's why is my flow state. Serious people struggle to it it once you find your flow state. You're not going to want to retreat from it. The word vacation means like retreat retreat from something. When you have a vocation you find your? You're calling every day you're gonNA love you're GonNa every day it's GonNa take a celebration when you love your occupation. So let's let's look at Tom Brady for a second now. Would you argue that Jason objectively. He's he's done. Well very I have some Tom Brady stats here. Real quick can read Tom. Brady statistics real quick place so so Tom Brady. Fourteen pro bowls. Okay that's like the All star team Three time all pro which means you're like the best six super bowl championships okay he is an astounding. Six foot four. Yep He weighs two hundred twenty five pounds heavier than I thought but then again he's tall. Yep and then. His net worth is five hundred eighty million dollars. That's what he's worth worth climbing. So He's worth five hundred eighty million dollars now. Let's let's compare for a second. Let's go on facebook just kind of compare. That's almost kind of get into this comparison. Jealousy thing let's talk about. `Bout Elon Musk the muskie one. How much awesome stats Elon? Musk well he's a founding member of faith. How does he have any pro bowls? No okay keep going. He's founding member of solar city. Was all pro anything at business. No title though he didn't making all NFL he's the CEO Tesla How many super bowl championships does he have? I believe it's zero okay he stands at a not as astounding six foot two. He's not six four. He's not why genetics okay. How much does he weigh? One hundred and eighty six pounds. How much does Brady Way? Two hundred and twenty five with. What's eons Networth? Well that is twenty point. Two billion billion dollars I feel like based upon the jealousy in comparison game one kid argue that Elon. Musk is a pathetic loser. I mean we think about. He's not to twenty-five five no he's not six four. He hasn't won any super bowls. True right now other you could flip it and go Tom Brady based upon the judgement. Comparison thing he. He's he's pathetic loser because he hasn't how many four companies and he doesn't it's not worth to twenty billion dollars I mean so. Here's the problem if you don't know what you want. It's never good enough because Tom Brady is great the greatest of all time. What he does but he's nothing nothing he's not worth anything at all in the tech world? What loose right now? You're thinking about Elon Musk. He's great he's great but Elon Musk. He's one eighty six and he doesn't look sometimes like a lean one eighty. Why you understand Tom Brady? He looks lean but he's to twenty-five that straight muscle. He was like a swimmer. How he looks like he's just he's very very physically strong but he's he's very very lean so he doesn't look like he went me? Look Up. Tom Brady Twenty nineteen looking at his face looking him. This guy wouldn't the world look at Tom. Brady Tom Brady twenty. Nineteen this guy is just. He's a beautiful man. Look at his face. Look at look at the look on his face now. You look at Tom Serious pictures now. Look at Tom Brady. Twenty nineteen versus his rookie year. Look his face looking at look at him now for versus. Dan Look at his face. So Tom Brady say Tom Brady Now versus then okay now versus then Tom Brady now versus then. Look for it on Google images. Look at him right here. You see on Pinterest. You see that Tom Brady. If you just type into Google title Tom Brady now versus then and then Click on images. You'll see the top left. You see the image click on that please look at Tom Brady now versus then. Do you see that picture. Did you find in Google images. Yup Okay look at that. That's a different person. Now I want you to put a link to that on the show notes can see it in. If you had to guess not knowing doing Tom Brady. Which one does he look younger and well actually? He looks younger in the now. I know he's a professional. So now you you know nice got the chef. And he's got the routine and he's he's doing it. Well this is. What I'm saying is improving as he gets older I? This is what I'm saying to you. This is what I'm saying. The listeners is Tom Brady has found his flow state. He's found his ocean where he can swim so when Tom Brady's doing an interview this is what people don't understand is is the oldest quarterback to win a super bowl creek. Correctomundo if you listen if you listen if you listen to this show with any regularity at all or you listen to any interviews with Tom Brady you will understand this idea. Tom Brady was interviewed recently. Asked him how. How long do you plan on playing? And he says and I'm paraphrasing. He says I have no hobbies or no interest outside the football really other than my family so for sure. playtime forty five. But I'll play as long as I can. I predict the. He'll play Tilles forty-five yes but I I believe he'll try to play until he's fifty. Yeah what you can do because of the way he plays right there. Are Tom. Brady rules if you watch Tom. Brady play there are certain rules. He does one is he tries to release the football within three seconds right so when he gets the ball. He's counting in his head. One thousand one thousand two throat so you can't really. He's almost like his own offensive linemen. Because you can't tackle them if you keep. He hasn't the ball and the way. The current rules work in the league. You can't hit the quarterback if he doesn't have the ball run you can be suspended find etc settled back in the day. You could hit a guy late now. You can't so with the current rules and his current regimen. It is likely he can play till he's fifty. So you might say what in Tom Brady. Almost every year takes a pay cut so that the team can afford better offensive linemen because that allows him to win other quarterbacks. Don't seem to have this figured it out so Tom Brady Look Tom Brady. How high he gets paid versus other quarterbacks so Tom Brady's salary versus other quarterbacks you can find where he pays himself off 'cause he could command whatever he wants but he chooses to make less money over the right because td? jakes spoke about this. He has a long term perspective. Yeah he values winning so he's struggling for it financially strong and he's only making he could be making twice far more. I know it's kind of a joke. But says as he can make you understand his career. He's turned down almost one hundred million dollars of earnings. So far. That's crazy. I didn't know that. Yeah because every single year homeboy takes a pay cut so he can afford an offensive offensive line because he wants to. He values winning a championship over making the most money. So if you look. Tom Brady salary versus other quarterbacks. You'll you'll find him so again. Think about this for a second bracket on your take on this sir. Tom Brady or Elon. Musk in your mind. Who's more successful or they both successful in your mind? They're both successful but again it's you know being in their their correct ocean their own water Space and so Yeah I mean it's just ridiculous to compare them And I hate the comparison game I don't get I have a facebook account. I don't get on very much at all But I believe that about ten percent of it is positive and beneficial. You know you can stay in contact with people every photos with the grandparents about the kids and I would say about ten percent of sexist positive. I would say as a general rule I mean this. I'm not not just joking. I mean this. I think that the average person Sex was meant to be a good thing and he talks about it in in the Bible however for a lot of people sex sex and lust and constantly chasing women around his a thing. They can't overcome right now. This is what I want to share with listeners. Out There Tom Brady and twenty nineteen. Okay right Tom Brady right now. In twenty nine thousand nine. He's going to make this year. He's going to make a says. This contract raises between nineteen salary by eight million to twenty three months. It's he's making twenty three million dollars this year. That's what he's making this year. So the highest paid quarterback and twenty nine thousand nine. Tom Brady. He's making twenty the three million so the highest paid quarterback this year Let's hear eyemouth Russell Wilson so Russell Wilson this year. How much is he making this year in okay says NFL quarterbacks the article is called NFL's highest paid players? Russell Wilson on top at seventy nine million million says blockbuster contract extensions are pouring in the. NFL GETS READY TO KICK off one hundred season Thursday night. Zeki Elliott and Jared Goff signed contract contract extensions worth more than two hundred twenty million combined with all pro wide receiver. Julio Jones's inching closer to a megadeal that is likely to set a record for wide receiver salaries is worth close to twenty million a year. But even those stars can't touch Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell William Wilson who is the NFL's highest paid player in two thousand nineteen eighteen at seventy nine million including nine million off the field in April Wilson's four year. One hundred and forty million contract extension has average salary is thirty five million per year and Tom Brady is not making thirty. Five million per year right so Tom Brady is making twenty three in Russell's making thirty five so you would think well maybe the guy is winning. The most championships is getting the biggest deal. No right because Tom Father Time Tom Brady. He continues to value winning a championship over being the highest paid. Two right now. This is a fun stat if you look at the highest. And you don't have to do it now Jason. This is fun for our listeners. If you look the highest paid quarterbacks past several years They don't win championships. Right now look at the list on here so from two thousand eighteen of like the top. Thirty five yeah Brady's fourteenth and everybody else I've never heard of. Yeah and it's because they lead off some of the other. You guys are making more more money than Tom Brady. Okay so more than Tom Matt Ryan Okay. The Falcons Falcons nuclear energy super bowls. Winning okay back to you okay. So Cam Newton. I know him Cam. Newton Cam Newton Cam Newton. We'll give you a tip here Cam. Newton Cam Newton. I have no athletic ability but I want to throw the ball. You gotTA stop trying to run around. Tom Brady as the three second rule. Why don't you just throw the freaking ball? You could play forever Cam Newton if you would just throw the ball stop running around okay then. And of course that Number Eleven Philip rivers. Philip rivers the chargers a fine man for the chargers. How many super bowls is he? One doesn't say but because you're not gonNA find did not keep going on number ten. Eli Manning Eli Eli Eli Eli has won two championships. And he's up. As I've watched football. He seems to have only played played. Well in two games okay. Back to you and then number nine is Ben. Rothlisberger die pronouncing the steelers. He's had a fine career. Okay who else then. Then we have. Russell Wilson was number eight last year. Okay keep going. And then we got Aaron Rodgers number seven number six. Joe FLACCO FLACCO FLACCO. Yeah again these guys were very good but they're not at the level of Tom Brady but they're making more than Brady and then skipping ahead number one was Jimmy Garoppolo Garoppolo Garoppolo. Yeah Tom Brady's backup How much is he making now? so this is as of two thousand eighteen twenty seven point five million so we're quick Tom. Brady's he's backup is making more than Tom Brady. That's literally the name of this Article Tom. Brady's backup is making more than Tommy links. All over the place on the show notes good for the listeners. So what I want to do is I want to make this very practical. Aren't we've talked about Tom. Brady his ocean football right. We've talked about Elon. Musk his his ocean which is business and tech startups Now let's talk about your ocean so we'll get listeners to get out a piece of paper paper. I don't WanNA use paper my smartphone. Be careful smartphone makes you dumb. 'cause you get eleven hours per day spent on their needs to Klay. The smartphone is a good tool. Yeah ten percent of the time. Klay Nudity is a good thing between a man and woman. Yeah what percentage of nudity out there a spin between a man and a woman right now husband and wife think about that. What percentage of of of okay so get into smartphones and we think about this for a second so the smartphone? Let's put it down for. Let's take notes on a piece of paper because we want to put it up where we I can see it where there is no vision. The People Perish. There's no vision. The People Perish. Let's put it on tablets. We can see it. Let's put it somewhere and we wanNA write down our goals for our faith. What are our goals for our faith? I'm waiting for you to write down your goals today. He on waiting to Voodoo Doodoo. Okay now so now. What are your goals for your family? I'm waiting clay. We need to move on. I'm getting bored. This is about you write down your goals elsevier faith but claytus. I'm driving pulver pull over. Pull over it's okay. You can pullover all over faith. What are your faith goals? What are your goals for your faith? I don't want to do this. I don't like them a turn. The show I'M GONNA turn your show off right now. I'll stop okay fine. Write down your goals for your faith. Now these are my goals for my faith. I'm telling you my goals for my faith. I want my kids to know and love the Lord so that they won't depart from him when they're older I want them to have those values I I I don't want to put my values on my kids. Okay fine I want my kids to discover their own path. Which is why they're both addicted to Pot uh-huh so figuring out your faith goals all right family goals? I want to be married to one wife my entire life. She is my goal. What yeah that's why like like this is how this is how the House that we're I think we're building right now is is? It is an interesting my wife right now designing the house and she's going over the plans listeners. Rotunda this Rotunda this nice circuit a rude. I know that looks out over the pool and you know the house designed. It's got them have little wine cellar room little. I got nothing on that I. I'm not thinking about it. I'm not really because it's going to be her house. We've lor means forever and she would like to design some. That's fine happy wife. Happy life it sticks within our budget as well all I'm saying is I'm not going to sit there and argue with my wife life. About what kind of flooring she wants because my goal is to make her happy. Do you see the difference Jason I have a black toilet in the man cave. You've seen that black twitter I have. Why is it black because you wanted to write? Why do I have my own bathroom because you don't lecture bathrooms other people anybody so my wife's goal is for me to be happy? I would like for her to be happy. So we don't sit there and fight or some couples. I see he couples. I have met couples as the Lord is my witness. I have met a couple just in the last four or five months. I work with couples in our coaching mean. uh-huh coaching a business owner. And the couple owns it together and they are fighting. I walk in the meeting. They're still fighting over. I guess one one of them keeps the bathroom cluttered. And so there's like towels and I dunno towels and a toothbrush or there's you know Deodorant rivers going on. There's thirty clothes goes all over the room. Couples are fighting still over so I realized very quickly in our marriage I cannot share airspace with people I can share the conversations and I can share. Our living. Room is my wife's dominion. I know input there. I don't even go into my kid's room. Somebody who listeners. I don't ever go there because it's not my world right so again. What are your goals for your faith and your family now? Let's talk about your. How many kids do you WanNa have breath? How many kids do you have? I have three more kids Potentially I don't think Biologically but yeah maybe down the road you have the ability I'm up for Fostering and adopting do you have the ability to create kid yourself. You're like an Amoeba where you can sell people. Kate no no no. So you have to have somebody. Participating my wife is definitely needs is be a participant. She won't have more kids no. I think it's out there though. It's it's so important we know how many kids who have especially if you're not married yet or you're married without without kids Breakfast is important for someone to sit down and define how many kids they WANNA have. Well I think Yeah I mean if you're married it needs to be something that you guys agree upon One of you doesn't I mean it's not gonNa work out so well if one of you wants like eight kids and the other one doesn't want children at all actually had a couple that I Treated years ago. Where he had lied to his is would be fiance and told her that? He wanted children when he knew in his heart. He never wanted to have children and they didn't stay together and I see. This is only every time there's exceptions. I'm serious though because people won't talk about these goals because because we're on pinterest or were watching the voice tonight. We're too busy going out to eat. We're trying to chase. I'm trying to get door dash to deliver me off guard and they don't enough time right now to think about my family goals he's talking to you just cleared up forty five minutes. If they're bringing you stuff now finances about your finances people would like to put a a lot of pressure on your finances. So people like to say. Can I borrow money. Can you help me out on this after by car right now coach. Help me with the down payment. Could you help me with my house. If you have money. Everyone says I would like a little pay raise. Every employee wants to get paid a little more and the customer always wants to pay a little bit less notice that the customer the customer pays a little bit less employees. Just wants to make a little more but people are going. Hey boss boss can you pay yourself a little more. I mean I was thinking about it for the weekend and I was thinking I was going. I think you should pay yourself more. I I have never had an employee also also a general rule as not always but I would say ninety nine point seven eight three four two percent of the time almost all the time. I'm nobody ever says cajal boss. Now I recall doing payroll this week. I recall my wife doing payroll all. I recall getting the checks on time but very no one ever calls me and says thank you again. Because they're working they're exchanging their time for money they're solving problems for our customers. I pay them but I don't get a lot of employees I'd want. I had one lady one young lady for the elephant in the room just at this and I appreciate her by the way she came into a Friday meeting and she said I want you to know. I am now making more money than I've ever made in my life and I can now afford my utilities and my car gas. I've worked in the hair industry for years for the first time in my life. I have money in the bank and you I think so I just WanNa tell you and I'm going There are people who are appreciative. Yes in man. I took you like fifteen years. I mean you get like one every three years two years but again again. So I'm just finances you gotTA figure out your goal now. What happens Brek when you know your financial goals and you hit them like if you hit your financial goals what what what do you think happens? Some I've got other goals that I want to accomplish. What do you think having to me for you for me personally and I hit my goal because I think that's a win for you it? Is I think you you thoroughly enjoy succeed for me. When I reach Michael's now here's what's crazy? Crazy town's going crazy town is recently a lot of people in the ministry. Space have been reaching out to me and telling me I need to get involved in ministry. Now let me explain this to you. Why don't get into ministry? I curse too much. I don't feel called to do it right. I am annoyed annoyed annoyed when people ask for help and then don't do anything with it. I'm annoyed with people that are like could she pray for me. I'm looking for a job. How many jobs have you applied for? Why haven't yet? I'm just trying to wait for that perfect job. Could you pray for me. I'm trying to buy a house. Have you looked did houses now but I just am annoyed with the idea of. I think you have to do in the natural what you can do. And then the supernatural. God what he's supposed to do but don't sit there and pray. Hey for you know God I want you to give me a staff and all of a sudden no it magically appears you gotta do what you can. I get annoyed with the idea but a lot of people are saying you should go with B. to the Amazon. What you need to go with me to Brazil a lot of people right now? A lot of business coaches in the jungle. That need your hope. There's has at least five people I can think of right now. Who are telling me almost every week? I need to go to Brazil or Argentina or Israel to do missions with them. And I'm going. I don't WanNa do missions. Why do you understand Mr Listener that I barely acknowledge dollars? The presence of other countries like I have a map and I'm like the US of a what about the rest of the world. I've never had that thought. The Michael Jackson Song Song Heal the world. Make it a better place for you and for me and the entire human race that in my in my mind mind I hear it. He'll America make it a better place for you and for me and the American race there are people in America. Get dying but I don't think about the whole I don't care I delete late. The Olympics to me are dumb. I hate the Olympics. I cannot stand the Olympics line. 'cause I don't care air with I don't care. I'm so tired of America's going to compete this year versus the Soviet Union Do Americans should we compete versus a communist country now the America versus Russia and Putin treating athletes ethically no old. Because he's an idiot was should North Korea be allowed to compete in the Olympics. Picks no 'cause they have supreme dictator. Who's a freaking idiot? Should China be allowed to compete shocking shocking. That China bulldozed people's homes to build US Olympic Stadium Olympic Village. Are you kidding me. Do you understand what it is to be in a communist country. You can't own land. You're told how many kids you can have forever. It was one which meant you can't have an uncle or an aunt. There's one child and what happens with the other kid. I know this because I have. I have multiple friends who've adopted babies from China. Let me tell you what they do in China if you have a second kiss true story you birth to a second kid which is a violation of the code. If you do make to give birth they make you take your baby and set it on the side of the road to die. That's why if you're driving in China China Down the road. You will see babies dead babies on the side of the road in China and you say I just want to give a little more power to the government. Because our country's she's not doing well so let's do a little more universal healthcare and let's T- privatize these stupid more Universal Free College. Let's be more like France. Let's be more. Let's let's the little bit more like North Korea. Let's be a little bit more like Argentina. Okay so you want to give up your your your responsibility for a little convenience. You want to advocate socialism and communism. I get it okay. Okay so what we're talking about again is your financial goals. Everybody puts goals on you. People say you should speak at colleges. I don't speak at colleges. Listen if you're on a college campus right now and you're not there to get a specific skill. You gotta drop out as I said the establishment. It doesn't want you to speak at colleges. Oh my gosh. I spoke there so many times and every time it was always caustic because a student would put their hand up and go. I'm a junior. I'm studying business. I WanNa know what are your beliefs on the responsibility of business owners to give back and to fight climate change. I'm like okay Do we want a real answer. Yes okay well. I want you to look up. Hydrocarbons Mr Student look it up there like what does this look it up. Look how many hydrocarbons come any pollutants go into the air when a volcano KENO explodes I would like to look that up. Please please please look up. Like when Mount Mount Saint Helen's blew up please look up. The soot reached Seattle. Look it up see how much pollutants go into the air. Every time volcano can busts. Look that up please. And then explain to me should be banned and volcanoes are banned cars. I mean they're like what do you understand. We have to keep all of them have their cars on constantly to produce the same amount of pollutants gluten that we produce when a volcano blows up like take a century of cars to make up for one volcano explosion. Should we ban volcanoes. What and then I get into this whole we we just dumb? I never had these thoughts or I remember one student. Put their hand up. They won an award for the best business plan and it was for solar panels. And I'm like can I explain to you. Do you understand that if we covered the entire state of Oklahoma with solar panels we would not produce enough power needed to produce the energy for Chicago Kogo. And you're like what I'm like. Look it up. If you put a solar panel on your house understand won't pay for itself for like twenty years in the cost of energy to go into producing the solar panels. It's not going. I'm going to pay for itself. But it's taught as a fact that you have to do so or panels and anyway. I can't even go on a campus. I can't go there but people want me to. They asked me. You should come teach entrepreneurship for newer ship will on Friday's program that aired on Friday has about the NBA or portion of it was about NBA's whether to hire whether to get and he'll on Moscow's not a fan MBA's norris. Peter Thiel nores doctors Zellner nor am I right so again you say. What are your goals for your finances? The problem right now too is financially. I've hit my goals also A long time ago and people keep telling me I have to do things that can I mean. It's like Klay. Do you understand that if you would expand like a thousand N- clients than you could make more money. I don't WANNA thousand clients. I one hundred sixty of you. And that's IT Jason. You see me do on boarding. We're kind of people are a good fit fit for our program and WHO's not people who understand well one people who are coach will people who are willing to grow and I. I've noticed there's a certain that you give when you're doing the on boarding and you say okay. We'll initial homework before we set this whole thing up is what you look at this. I want you look at this and once you do these three things and people were like okay got it wrote it down printed off. I will do that by the next time we talk. That's great but the people who are like well. I think I can do that or I can try to commit to that. Or you know ponder. It could try to commit to that but I do have to watch the kids in the morning get up earlier. I can't stand forty-five-year-old men told me they can't get their actions done because they have to spend time with their kids. Wake up at three free go to bed at nine. Wake up at three. Get your get your six hours of work before they wakeup quit making excuses. Stop it so faith family finances. You've got to figure out your financial goals Jason Twilight traveling. No it turns out though people all the time who fill out the assessment for him and say could you come traveled to New York. We would hire you if you come to New York right know your conference could be bigger if you move to Dallas No. I don't want to move to Dallas. Why it because I want to be able to have a small of group where we can do what coach hundred and sixty people and answer all the questions right wreck how conference change if you had a thousand people it? It wouldn't be the same at all it really. I mean you can literally raise your hand in the crowd and you stop and call on that person to answer their question The bigger very intimate feels very connected. If it was bigger you just be a number lost in the ground It would lose its energy by it. Would it would be totally different. It would be different. I don't WanNa do that. I don't WanNa talk in generalities and get people excited and walk on hot coals. And I don't want to do that I wanNA help you get your answers. There's your practical questions but your finances. Listen listen Mr Listener. Listen to this miss listener. Write this down. Somebody needs to write that down. How much money do you WanNa make per year in? Don't let me or you or your anybody. Don't let yourself be impacted by anybody else except for you with that number because the world says you should would always make what more right because you need a newer house new car so many people so many people tell me all the time basically you're harmon things tutored and ten thousand miles on it. Do that thing I was behind the your day in. Traffic can barely accelerate anymore. I'm going don't you don't you talk about Betsy Z.. Don't you homer of love. I'm not putting that thing out to pasture. They said we can't get a porsche. He should get a nice car. I don't want to why why because I like it. I was looking for different vehicles because it's getting near the end of their. I think it was going to buy another h two you should. I think I'm going undo because it's it's my move the box out. Yeah it's either that or the original H.. One problem is my wife wants to have enough room. Oddly enough for our kids to fit inside the vehicle and I was like we can put them in the box. Back of the box is rolling around her moving around. That's right it's like a bag of cats moving moving around so but again finances. Everybody says I need a bigger house. People are always underwhelmed by my house every house had ever had in your backyard. It's really I mean it does look smaller from the front from the back But Yeah you've created an amazing away sir. People they'll have always had a house. We lived in a couple of houses behind gates and they come over and they're always expecting to find the biggest house in the neighborhood and they pull in and they're like. Oh Wow it's a four thousand square foot house or you know it's nice but they're like oh you thought it would. It'd be more Buji. I thought I thought it would be more paintings of yourself. I thought he would have more let I remember. One client had leather floors in their house. All right leather other floors. What in the world now listen leather floors huge aquarium the most opulent decor? Two Beautiful Pristine osteen magnificent like our backyard pool but twice In this is what she said to me in a meeting she says is it possible. I could go down to the scholarship this month because Mike. I'm at my limit and I don't have enough money to make my mortgage this month and to a true story and I'm going what and you know why she has all that stuff because people told her she needed she's buying stuff she doesn't need impress people she doesn't know exactly all those people who aren't actually looking in care there it is they might so you gotta you gotTa figure out your financial goals. The goal should not be acquisition of stuff. It should be financial apiece de-stress so you don't have to work every hour of the day just to make it okay. You want if you're being chased by a lion and every second of the day now fitness goals Brek yes fitness goals. We always come to me when it comes to fit. 'cause you're a fitness guy and in your own biceps get Outta the fitness goals. Though again I want to encourage listeners out there we want to get in good physical shape but have you met people who are at the spectrum where they're already jacked it clearly. See this guy or Gal Jack but yet it's not good enough in their minds. Have you seen this. Oh yeah definitely especially women what men and women you. Yeah well because I think You know there's a time years ago where like body image issues were primarily women win but I think those days are more and more behind us I think more and more men are having body image issues. See a lot of dudes like back when I was going to Planet fitness. There's a guy and he was always throwing up like curl like fifty five pound dumbbells. Nothing shunned like wow. That's impressive and I was. I was a scrawny dude back then so I'm like how belonged to take you to get to where you are like. I do this every day like you do it. Every day. He was like yeah. I was like. Aren't you afraid you're going to hurt yourself. I can't be picking every time I look in the mirror. I'm smaller now get even if that's what you do if that's what your pool is and your fish if that's your water in your official that's your ocean fish fine but make sure it's your own goal yet right. Don't you gotta own. Don't get into the comparison. The Jealous Jealousy of comparison of ovary. It's never good enough because one goal can override the other. I mean you. May you want to be married to that. One one for life and yet you spend all your time at the gym for your fitness goals and you've undermined another one of your goals. Now we get into friendship goals this big. It's it's so important you write down your goals for your friendship because if you don't this is what happens to me a lot when you're successful before it will before I was successful. Oh I was building the DJ business. I always was trying to network with anybody. I possibly could trying to learn as much as I could chasing. I was selling chasing selling and chasing trying to get yes trying to I was asking everybody. Hey do you know if someone getting married soon. Yes would they like to hire me. Are you getting married. Are you planning a party I would ask everybody. Are you looking to get married soon. Or you know somebody who is or you. Every every every chamber event every networking opportunity I was always networking trying to find a new lead. Everybody was elite. One of your gifts. Is the hustle hustle you embrace the grind and you. You are a hustler so that was what I did for a long time. It was like trying to chase a lead but then at a certain point I realized I can't make any more time but I can can make more money so now I've had to say no to grow. It's flipped so now people like do you want to go out to dinner. Do you WANNA come over. Do you want to go out to eat. No Watt because I really don't have a whole lot of friends and the friends I do have I want to spend time with. It's like I want to spend time with doctors and I'm not like Dr Zone. Let's go on a date and it's not that it's more of. I just want to see him a couple of hours every week. You know a couple of hours to stay stay in touch. I WANNA see my wife. You know turns out a couple of three hours every day when I see my kids but if you have a friend I went up friendships with people I value. I don't want to just be be out there just kind of an acquaintance of the world Because that can happen by default can't can't absolutely. Yeah we're nobody actually knows you. There's no intimacy at all. It's all all at arm's distance and and I think that's another reason. Why so many people feel depressed and the unknown to everybody not actually knows who they are on the inside they just what they've put out there as an image of who they might be so you've got to write down right now? What friendships do you want to have? Because your network is your net worth your network becomes determines your normal normal. Let me give you an example if you hang around people all the listeners to write this down thinking about this. Who who who who who? Who Do you spend in your time with? Think about this if you hang out with people that are all really into fitness. You'll probably find yourself getting into fitness. If you're around a bunch of people who are very wealthy you'll probably find yourself over time becoming very wealthy bureau around an entrepreneur who's successful. You'll probably become a successful entrepreneur. Now you are just through osmosis because because it's hard to be friends with somebody who are doing totally different world views and values then it's hard in common to bring you back together now now if you are around people who have criminal frequent run INS with the law frequent for no. I'm not talking about speeding tickets. I'm talking talking about like drug issues. People who are constantly having problems with beating their spouse. That's the dangerous thing. Why is it dangerous chased if you hang around with a guy who has domestic violence issues because then domestic violence will start to become like your new normal net crazy? Yeah because it corrupts morals this is. This is a big idea from proverbs. It talks about this and I'm going to look up the verse real quick for the listeners. So I can. It says. Let's start with the first Corinthians. I First Corinthians fifteen thirty three says do not be sled. Bad Company corrupts good character. First Corinthians fifteen thirty three so jason put down the show notes. First Corinthians fifteen thirty three do not be misled. Bad Company corrupts good character Brigadier. We're seeing this happen before. Yes what happens when you hang around Krupp people you become like them and how well Like you're saying I mean it becomes your normal there's some certain aspect of desensitized desensitizing Yay start to synthesize that negative behavior. And the next thing you know it's kind of your norm so so You know an example from my own life when I was junior high Some people were making fun of somebody and I joined in knowing it was wrong but I joined in Dan because that was who I wanted to impress and You know the person that I didn't realize it in the moment but the person I made fun of was actually somebody. I care very much about out And so I felt like lower than low like I was below an Anthony's Yeah and so I learned be hard. I yeah that was a hard lesson but I learned aren't now and I've seen it with my my own kids. You know fringe groups who you hang out with is Who you starts to affect our talk? Yeah starts to become who you are the attitude that you carry. You're in a lot of kids that don't like their parents. That are respectful of their parents. It's easy to become disrespect of a ditch. Disrespectful of your parents right now. Proverbs thirteen twenty rights walk walk with the wise and become wise for a companion of fools suffers harm again proverbs. Thirteen twenty walk with the wise and become wise for a companion of fools all sufferers. Harm this walk with the wise and become wise for a companion of fool suffers harm yet. I'm getting stuck in your head right there. There you see it's it's your neural pathways proverbs. Thirteen twenty if I say get stuck in your mind walk with the wise. He just made you say that. Say Walk with the wise and become wise for a companion of fools suffers harm. You see how that works so I WANNA make sure we're getting this idea because this right here is is an idea. The terrible years ago I was running the DJ business and employees came to work and showed naked photos of his wife to our entire team. And I am going. I didn't I'm not aware of this right. And I'm one of the employs pulls me aside and was like dude. We got a problem here. What's the problem? He's like this dude. You just showed naked photos of his wife to a lot of guys and I'm going he did confront the guy. Did you do it no I didn't I go to the two guys is did he show it to you. Know he didn't okay so I- anyway. Long Story Short. I talked to the guy. This is about six months later because I couldn't prove it And it was just hearsay. Say kind of right. I kind of a weird thing going on so I finally confronting. He'd had at this point in adult beverage and I'd say hey. Did you show photos. Your wife goes yeah. That's how oh I got her to marry me. I took naked photos of her and we were in high school and so he was a freshman in college and I told her if she broke up with them over there all over the Internet and she's a pastor's daughter and that's how we're married. Wow that's a terrible move true story. True story guess still married by the way and I said so and they hate each other and so that was a true story. I'm like so you wait. What you're you're you're you actually took naked photos of a freshman in college and then you said that if you break up with me I'm GonNa put him on the heels exactly like so? That's how you got married exactly now. That guy does that kind of thing all the time I he has. I've seen seen him hire migrant workers. That aren't legal Now as I'm watching from a distance now hang around the person but he'll hire migrant workers and then not pay them and then they'll say I need to get paid and he'll say well. I'll have you deported right now. Legal all pay half of what we promised so that you won't get deported. Reported about that buddy and this is what he does now he he is a guy who's had success suck emphasis on the sock than a success. He's had success by his terms. And I know people in Tulsa One thinking of it now is people tells recently discovered his games teams and they know that he was an association with many moons ago. And so they're going. Are you aware that this man is married to a quote unquote trophy wife. As a result he's married to a model a trophy wife as a result of holding naked photos over her. I'm one oh yeah. Yeah are you aware that he does not able to get things done on time and on budget. Because he doesn't pay migrant workers. Oh Yeah are you aware of his drug issues. Oh Yeah are you aware of the cocaine. Oh Yeah are you aware of the prostitution. Oh Yeah and you think how did he get that far if you look who is around holy crap. He's around some bad people. What so so you reap so the moment that confirmed I knew what he was doing? What do you think I had to do? Breath the moment I got him loose. How do you let them? Yeah you can be in your inner circle and to let them go and he in other people have since tried to make it right with us and hey you guys should meet. I mean I'm not meeting with that guy no no I I was out somewhere I ran into the guy He was okay. We need to talk to you. Know Math change person totally changed this five years ago. Totally Change I wanNA make it right and that was like five or I'm not GonNa talk to you and just recently I've found he's doing it again the same stuff I mean. I'm just telling you that right. There is suck cess. That's what that's one of the world a lot of times the world says by any means necessary. Do what you have to do to financially. Get ahead that's what do you not agree that. That's the a universal anthem and our world. Right now yeah do whatever it takes to make money. That's very true. Do you don't agree with this. I agree that everybody believes that. Yes I was was on a conference. Call the other day with this. Well this'll be maybe a day but took a year and a half ago. I guess on the conference call with a guy and we're done he's not a Klina Line of mine just for full disclosure. Not Kline was a vendor. Okay a vendor and the background you could hear his wife Kinda yelling at him or something and I said Whoa you got you okay? Do you want to reschedule. And he says well I married a seven and I'm letting her talk to me like she's a ten. Wow and and I'm going. What and he goes you understand? She's twenty years younger than me. Keilor's I married her because she was a trophy wife and interiors and I'm going what but he just comes tip of tip of tongue. It's right off the top of his mind. He just said his retort was man. I married a seven. I WanNa talk to you. Like she's a ten and I was like what he goes. She's not that hot. I mean she has kind of smaller teeth seriously. And he's having that thought and I've met her she's very beautiful person. But there's people out there that views success as they'll do whatever they have to do to make money complet- completely void values or morals. And if you have that mindset you're GONNA pay for. Have you heard about celebrities buying their kids degrees. Have you heard about this. Yeah it's a big deal. Oh Yeah you're going to buy your degrees all you now right well you so you can see why you would do that. If you're a high school coach in your goal is to win by any means necessary. You could see where you might be paying your players and breaking the laws you could see. Why if your goal is to have sexual pleasure at all cost? You could see why you would hire prostitutes. You could see why if if your goal is to always be in a euphoric situation while you might constantly gamble you you could see where if you don't have your goals defined you're not gonNa have success now. Craig grow grow shell the Pastor of life church the largest church in America rights. You must say no to grow. You must say no no to grow so what I'm GonNa do right now is I'm going to give the listener some hard statistics and Jason. You can grab them off you off of the show notes here sure that This would have been the eleven twenty nine show nuts. I'm not sure on the show comes out but if you can grab it off. Eleven twenty nine show notes. Here are the statistics I will read in the following order here. We go harsh reality check. Wow fifty percent of first marriages in America don't work sixty seven percent percent of the second. Don't work seventy three percent of the third marriages don't work. According to psychology today. Seventy eight percent of men have had an affair on their current partner. According to The Washington Post Seventy eight percent of men seventy five percent of employees steal from the workplace seventy five percent nine out of ten small businesses. This is fail. Eighty five percent of employees steel took this out eighty five percent of employees in their resumes. According to INC eighty five percent sent land the resumes and seventy five percent still from the workplace right so brick. If if you're in a room with a hundred people eighty five of them. Are you know. Lying resumes. or seventy five to seventy five hundred. People are stealing right. Do you want to hang out with him. I don't know if you know that. Seventy eight percent of men are out there having affairs on your wife. Do you WANNA get married. Tips from seventy eight percent of people know if nine at attend and business owners are failing. Do you want to get advice from almost anybody about how to run a company so I just encourage action items from today's show One figure figure out the ocean in which you can be a fish right. Don't feel bad if you can't climb a tree in your fish figure out your ocean Put this on the show and it's one of these action steps in here. I want to make sure it's actually number one. Find Your Ocean where you can be a fish find. Define your six goals today. Here's the hard part the hard part like like I. Ah like a very trendy haircut. Here's the hard part I encourage you right now to write down what you have to say no to today Today today what is the thing you have to say. What's the thing for your for your family? What do you have to say no to not to have those family goals happen what you have to say no to to have those faith goals having faith family finances? What are you have to say no to to make those financial goals happen? Faith family finding fitness. Would he have to say no to hit those goals. Faith family finance fitness friendship. Who Do you have to stop hanging out with his corrupting your morals? And who do you need to start hanging out with faith family finance fitness friendship and fun. Fun Fun Fun calls. Yeah what are some some things were. When is it time to stop working to go have fun? When is it time to go? Hang out with your kids by the pool. When is it time to work? You can afford a pool. That's that's the great challenge and I just encourage today. I WANNA I WANNA I wanNA leave Dr Break Opportunity here to Kinda give us capstone thought but this show is designed to be repetitive. Designed to not be punitive or not trying to punish you or yell at you or judge you. I'm trying to coach you up teach you and it might be harsh. Might go man then some harsh examples man. That's that's that's why you're hanging around some crazy people. Well let me tell you when you allow thousands of people per year to come to a conference when you have hundreds of employees and hundreds of clients when you when you open your world up to that you're GONNA see corruption you're gonna you're GonNa see I have seen. I've lived a thousand careers because I coach so many clients so I've seen it but Brek what advice would you have for someone today. That that maybe hasn't been able to find their ocean yet kind of you know their fish and they found themselves yourselves trying to climb a tree and maybe there are thirty. Five well I mean there's a number of things one of the things I was GonNa say is it's easy for me in my position to look at Guys like Elon. Musk and Tom Brady. Eighty and to say they don't have to say no to things but yet I know through you know some of what I've been exposed to that. They both say no to certain things and so we were talking about Tom Brady and how his appearance has changed. I know that there are a lot of food items that he doesn't eat. I know that there is a regimen that he keeps And there's time that he spends in the gym and things that he has to say no to in order to keep those commitments So no matter what level you're at you still have to say no You know so Craig. Rochelle's words are true. Another true for himself. Another true for me and for everybody else listening but if you find that you are a fish out of water trying to climb a tree Take that pause. Go through these F. Chiefs six goals figure who you are who you want to be and what matters most to you and then you start eliminating those things that are not it Indirect connection to getting you where you WanNa go through you know you. Can you can really end up in the wrong place and go much further away from your goals than can you ever realized if you're not actually keeping score paying attention knowing what the destination is enjoy the journey but you still gotta be pointed in the right direction now Jason. I'd like to you ask you this. Because you've coached some clients and help them to have some success do you. What advice would you have for a client out there right now? That saying. They're finding struggling to find time to achieve their financial goals or they're struggling to find time to automate their savings because you've actually gone through the evolution yourself. You're are you there yet no am either you know. So you're you're down that path you've done through a huge transformation. The past three years with her health with your finances a lot of stuff give give somebody out there some practical advice or maybe sure what you've done because Uber you're a really different dude. Now Yeah so take it from me I actually. I slipped up in my in my growth path Last week I was talking to John About how everybody in the offices offices like in the foot like football and I've never really watched sports immigrant and I told him I just don't have the time to watch it goes no you don't make the time. I thought that super important because how I heard that I wouldn't have identified that problem but that's one of the biggest things I run into. Somebody says Jason. I don't have the time to sit down and look at automated my savings. I don't have time to do something fun. Make time I have recently found that I have a ton of time Friday and Saturday to allocate to my marriage and making it better so what I do was Saturday. Fridays from five until nine. That's all lifetime. This is good. This is nobody gets anything. They don't respond to my phone. We do date night and and Saturday after we do the on boarding and shadow sessions. It's typically around noon when I'm free. Yep I have the rest of that blocked out for what. I'm calling Saturday. which is wants to go during the week? Your Saturday and you've been married for how many weeks now going on four I am so. I'm so impressed with what you're doing because you gotta pull the weeds and way ahead of the curve. I mean Andrew has been right now for a year I believe. Yeah and it's so cool to see their marriage. Oh absolutely automated his savings. He's has a Saturday date scheduled. I just he's not spending one on one time with other women all the time he's setting good boundaries. You're doing the same thing. It is so exciting so so encouraging to see young men and women out there not living in a tent with three chicks and a dude smoking. Pot what it's just exciting to see that but it doesn't feel as good as where I'm at right now job well done and now don't even further ado we like each and every show with a boom and I've discovered whether new studio Mike are a little bit more sensitive and so we boom we have to kind of pull back. It's like a boom three two and we've got a backup three to one and we got back up because when you're too close at peaks we can't be we can't because then I gotta ask Greg to come in here and fix it again. And then he's going to say I can fix it but this is a new system and you got a back further away. 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Episode 11: Kirsten Gillibrand's Path to Power
"Which? Listener supported w in Wiessee studios. I began the season by a certain that this election cannot be separated from the me too movement that more than anything it was a reckoning with male power with how we accepted that power. As a given a record number of women are now headed to congress with remarkable diversity. And as we inevitably look forward to the next election to twenty twenty several of those women are top of mind. Fighting for you in the US Senate. Are always about who you fight for. And I promise you I will fight for your family's as hard as I might for my own. That certainly includes the junior Senator from New York cure Ston Jila brand who won by a whopping thirty point margin. She's on pretty much every list of top contenders for the democratic nomination in twenty twenty and over the past couple of years. She's particularly drawn attention for her unapologetic challenge to men who abuse their power, including Democrats. She said Bill Clinton should have resigned after his affair with Monica Lewinsky, and she took a lot of flak for saying Al Franken had to go to Al Franken is a friend of mine, he did great work and the judiciary committee. So it was really hard and really heartbreaking in a conversation on the view. She was challenged about being too aggressive on the matter and she did not back down. He's entitled to hearing. He is. But he's not entitled to my silence. Joy. And when she runs for president this posture this demand for accountability will be a huge part of the twenty twenty elections. But who? Who is Kirsten gillibrand? How'd you go pretty quickly from relative obscurity to being one of the democratic party's marquee names? I'm kai. Right. This is the United States of anxiety. And in this episode. We look ahead to twenty twenty. And we ask what Senator gillibrand rise tells us about the relationship between gender and power in American politics. I'm here with WNYC's politics. Reporter Bridget Bergen who has been talking to the Senator Bridget. He so Bridget. What will become of is here in a minute. Is that you took a few weeks off to have a baby which was one of the first things that you incur Jill talked about. Oh, yeah. It's the first thing she asked me about the last time, we talked I send you Jill ran. How are you? Congratulations on your little girl. What's her name? It is Patricia Jane Bergen heart, and we call her PJ teaser. Amazing. So Bridget it's been a big year for both of you. And what I'm curious about. And when I'm really trying to get my head around is, you know, this woman who is a mom of two herself. How she thinks about power well in my conversations with our I get the sense that in the almost ten years she's been sitting in the Senate chamber in Hamilton speak. She sees herself as a mother and a woman who's in the room where it happens and she wants to drive conversations that are important to her into women and families all over the country. So she's been elected to the Senate for a second time now, and before that she served in congress from a rural upstate district, but remind us of how she carved out this path to power. I mean, she moved in a relatively short time from obscurity as I said earlier to this national spotlight. Yeah. But I I gotta talk about a man a guy with an interesting relationship to power himself. David paterson. Yes. The former New York governor he was our first black governor he came to office after Eliot Spitzer resign. Disgrace over his prostitution skin. He was called the accidental governor. But you know, in Patterson's brief tenure he may well have changed the history of American politics money, take it back to December two thousand eight when he wasn't well known beyond New York. That's when a lot of the country meets him for the first time as the punchline of a bit on Saturday Night Live here to publicly address the issue is New York governor, David Paterson. Patterson impersonator rules up to Seth Meyers on the weekend update news desk. Thank you. So it starts with jokes about Patterson's, marital infidelity and teenage drug use crimes or merely crimes of the heart. And drug crimes, then they really go. They're poking fun at something. The governor has no control. It's it's bad out there Seth you. Don't believe me take a look at this graph that I got here. Now Patterson is legally blind. Shows that unemployment in two thousand eight. Governor. It's upside down bet it is. The whole world is upside down and at someone someone's gotta fix it. I mean, I can take a joke, and I make jokes about myself. That's the real David Paterson when I called him earlier this year a decade later that bit still really annoys him, but sort of Mr. Magoo character playing David Paterson. Yeah. It was pretty harsh. It was became telling you all of this. Because of what happened the next day. Remember, it's December two thousand eight Barack Obama has just been elected president after a bitter primary fight with Hillary Clinton who's been Senator from New York. Famously Obama tries to heal the democratic party's wounds by tapping Clinton for secretary of state and that leaves a bacon Senate seat in New York. It falls to David Paterson the accidental governor to fill it. Right. And he's got oversee this really important transfer of power, which is just a rare opportunity yet. So the next day Patterson meets with none other than Kirsten gillibrand about it in the middle of the interview. One of my staff members just comes in to alert me that they wanna put out this press release, which was sort of laughing along with Saturday Night Live, which I thought was insulting. He's not cool with this idea. And basically tells me he scolded the staffer out of the office, would you sort of tried to go back to the conversation? And maybe about two or three minutes later. I just remember saying I'm really sorry about that. That was really terrible mean. And I think we should do something about it. Now, Senator Joel ban said to me, he knows something governor this is none of my business. I was sitting here. But I want to tell you you should stand up for the disabled. You should just go on the show and laugh along with them. I wanted to say something because I didn't know if anybody else bothered, and you know, it's it's not great to be mimic and disregarded and devalued on some level. And I think for women we face that a lot all the time. I think communities of color face it, all the time. And I think for our governor to have to have endure that was. Wrong. And I want him to know that I felt that interesting. And so she understood that he felt it was wrong to exactly in. What's become something of a hallmark of her leadership style? She read the moment. Right. Others may have missed this queue assumed you no more tough guy approach that her empathy made a real impression on Patterson. I can't say that was the reason I chose her. But you know, we're all human beings that we are touched by things that people do around us now that didn't immediately make jewelry brand of shoo-in Patterson said at this whole evaluation process, and he was getting a lot of pressure to pick a big name. He says some people even encouraged him to appoint himself. He told me under his own system. Jill LeBron wasn't actually his number one grading out to candidate canidu-. I felt was the best candidate at that time was Andrew Cuomo. Who is of course, now the New York governor and yet. Another name that we're talking about for twenty twenty right? The Patterson says he was also concerned about choosing a woman at that period of time. There were a lot of women who felt that in the democratic primary of two thousand eight that the old boys network, defeated racism that another words the bias against Senator. Barack Obama was not as great as the bias against Hillary Clinton had many women around New York acted as women felt that way. And I could kind of understand why they did which takes us to a stage in Albany in January two thousand nine where Patterson names who he described to me as equally qualified second choice. She is perceptive. She's courageous. She is outspoken. I am appointing her to the United States Senate representing New York today. Please welcome our next Senator and current congresswoman Kirsten gillibrand. It will be my honour and most humble duty to serve each. And every one of you. Just to give you a sense of how high stakes decision was President Obama quote to congratulate her the middle of alive Prescott. Yeah. While she's on camera in Jila brand visibly flustered. Just kept speaking. Sorry. That was what I was. I hope someone else talked to him in the interim. They said he's going to call back. Please call back. The newly minted Senator does get a call back from the president moments later in Paterson makes clear that he does have sense of humor his long as he's the one making the joke. Fast forward ten years. We know that after the election. The democratic old boys network did not, of course, defeat racism, but still Patterson was essentially taking a stand against that old boys club in favor of empowering a woman, which was a precedent decision. Given the gillibrand is now making the top list for presidential candidates. And there's something even more poetic in that. Because probably her greatest political teacher was a woman a woman who had an early influence on Jilib Abreu. Up next. We have that story. Hi, I'm John green author of several books, including the stars also created some educational video projects with my brother, Hank. That would be me together. We are the hosts of deer hanging John podcast podcastone WNYC studios in which two brothers provide Dube's advice, and she your questions on everything from airplane etiquette to are gonna chemistry. And of course, share the latest news from Mars, which is a cold dead rock in space and AFC. Wimbledon magnificent, third tier English soccer club. Subscribe to your hanging John wherever you get your podcasts as they say in our hometown to be awesome. So Bridget we were talking about gillibrand mentor. Tell us more. Oh, yeah. She talks about it often here. She is back nine at her Senate appointment, I grew up right here in Albany, and my role model in politics was a grandmother. And I don't know how many of you knew Polly Newnan, but. All that kind. That's because in that world of democratic politics. Holly Newnan was a big deal for decades. She was a woman who never went to college. And she was a secretary. She started as a secretary working for the state legislature in the nineteen thirties, but she amassed real power with the Albany county democratic machine impart, it was her connections. She was a close confidante of Albany's mayor of four decades, but she was a force of nature in her own right gatekeeper to patronage jobs coveted endorsement, she would get the whole family involved come election season that will make an early impression it changed. Gillibrand just through our actions told me that it was important that politics was important in the public service was important that being involved in government was important and not every kid has that message and not every kid has that from a female. Singer Newnan was also a complete in total character. And wait. Isn't this the plays that they're an off Broadway play inspired by her? That's getting all these rave reviews. Oh, yeah. And there are many crazy stories like this one time in the late nineteen seventies Newnan is working the greeter table at dinner for the Albany Democratic Women's group. She was their president until the day. She died you'd get a stamp when you went into show you paid. It said the democrat, of course, soon Newnan, hugs this guy named Ron chemistry. Who was then the mayor of the small city of cohoes and later a state Senator, and then well, I caught up with him by phone. So I'll let him tell it. And then she said oh was talking. Yeah. I'm fine. And there was a stamp. Underwear? She was a forest. Flashed him. He's mortified and she thinks it's hilarious. It made such an impression on him. He shared the story with the Albany times union after she died in two thousand three just shy birthday, which is great. That's actually, really savvy. Yeah. I mean think about how bulled how confident she must have felt in her position in for power. Even though she never ran for officer self. She knew how the game was played. And she knew how to influence the outcome by keeping people off balance Jila brand born in nineteen sixty six is learning at the feet of a political master long before she ever knows. She wants to be in politics or self in her audio book off the sidelines. She sums it up like this. My grandmother Polly had taught me that in politics. You do it's needed. If a candidate, you support needs an envelope, stuffed you stuff an envelope. If that candidate needs a breakfast hosted you host a breakfast when you believe in a cause you aren't picky you just help. So when did she decided move into politics, then because she started off as a corporate lawyer, right? Oh, yes. She was deep in the belly of the beast representing big tobacco against the government. In fact, and she was not feeling it. So she's applying for public sector jobs fundraising for candidates, but nothing is clicking. She can't break into politics with an actual job. Yeah. I was frustrated. I was really frustrated because I was at my law firm working endless hours. I just felt like I was pushing paper for big companies who just care about money, and I didn't feel like it was changing the world, and I didn't feel it was making a difference. Sushi goes to hear speech from then housing secretary Andrew Cuomo, and he's talking about the importance of being involved being a democrat something. Gillibrand just snaps. I've been trying and I can't find my way from to be. And so I kinda stormed up to him afterwards. And well mister secretary I think it's an insider's game, and he being provocative said, well, which moved to Washington just put this interaction in sharp relief. Here's a guy who also grew up in politics, whose father was the former governor of New York and new Jilib rinse grandmother. Polly Newnan, very well. And so when Jill LeBron takes him up on his offer and goes to Washington, she doesn't just get her foot in the door at HUD. She's offered a job by the cabinet secretary. I the privilege of being a secretary Andrew Cuomo special assistant when he was HUD secretary in the Clinton administration. Wait who's that? This is Alexandra Stanton. She grew up plugged into New York City's political scene before she moved to DC. She's now the CEO of empire. Global ventures of business development firm, but back then when she worked in politics. She says Cuomo. Coulter after that speech in New York City. He said I'd like you to show new hire of hours around tomorrow. Her name is Kirsten running. But Nick was Jill LeBron's maiden name. She came and I remember meeting in the lobby of hood the next day stint in clearly recalls or first impression. Unbelievably smart incompetent, inefficient. She walked briskly. She's fairly petite. And I'm five foot ten, but she stretched out that hand, and it was firm, and I thought she's a woman's woman. What does that mean? I don't know if I knew what it meant back. Then I know what I think it means. Now, I think it's a woman who backs women and she shared this story before my first child Andre was born. She had seen me innovate and saw that my stomach was increasingly protruding and said, I just the thing and not long after stint gets a package in the mail with this high end snowsuit for the baby and a personal note stints as both our kids were that's no suit. She rented to Jilib ran recently. I said something like that. Amazing snowshoes. Oh, yeah. The plaid went from Patagonia with other red and the yellow oats amazing. Right. You still haven't. Amazing. No Jila brand has taken that ethos of backing other women and build a whole political action committee around it. She started off the sidelines pack in twenty eleven raising seven million dollars backing more than two hundred women candidates, including ninety five in the midterms tonight. I stand before you as this communities first congresswoman elect. Lorne Underwood a newly elected member of congress from outside of Chicago is one of them on a call with a network of black women leaders back in March. She described how hard it was to get her campaign off the ground. Could be very candid with you. When I first launched this raid, even members of congress toss Illinois, the black caucus other women legislators were intrigued, certainly curious, but we're not all in Underwood says Jill LeBron gave her her first major endorsement threw her off the sidelines pack giving ten thousand dollar donation in a real shot of legitimacy to the campaign. It made all the different that she was willing to step out early and stand with us Underwood is a first time democratic candidate who managed to flip ac- held by four term Republican incumbent. Interestingly enough that also happens to be exactly what Jill LeBron did when she was elected to congress. I'm here for two reasons. One is. Do you want more than I can say the hill cures to become the next Representative? If killer Brin was Underwood's big booster the Clintons. Keep Jilib rent. A major push in purpose congressional race in two thousand six. I was sit here. This is Hillary's. Cures. And she won that election by a huge margin jumped into the Senate from there. So she's been super strategic and lucky, but, you know, also this reminds us the taken some big risks because especially around the metoo movement. She criticized Bill Clinton for his behavior, yet Jila brand is one of the political leaders most closely associated with the movement G Q, even labeled her the Senator from the state of me to God. But don't forget she was talking about harassment in the military in college campuses five years ago. She's been taking on these issues for a long time. It's part of the reason why she thinks more women need to be in office. She thinks these male dominated power spears headed Nord harassment or worse, cultivated it, but she's taking heat for her stance on me too. Because the men she's called out are very powerful. And they're Democrats. I asked her about it KAI. You have been an outspoken voice since the beginning of the metoo movement. And you've even taken some flak for it for Senator Al Franken's resignation for saying that in retrospect, President Clinton should've resigned. After what happened with Monica Lewinsky. Is there anything you would have done differently in your activism with the movement? No, I think this is something that is happening around us. That's real that you either listen and participate or you choose not to and she's not backing down. She sees this as an essential key to understanding who has power, and who doesn't there are traditional power structures that really do not wanna release that grip on power. And they don't wanna see the metoo movement have the lasting impact that it will have. They don't want to see Justice being done. They don't want oversight and accountability. They don't want change. They don't want to change the status quo. They like it the way it is. And they like it the way it is. And if we're honest a lot of us are dangerously comfortable with the status quo. When Jill brand said, Al Franken and Bill Clinton had to go, liberals and Democrats, probably her most harsh critics the winner, take all nature of partisan warfare became more important than the larger principal gender equity, and she was easily the most high profile person in the party to say, no, it is not there are more fundamental questions here about who gets to have power and how they get to use it for lucky. That's also the takeaway of the twenty eighteen election's, millions of people particularly women decided they do actually want change and not just at the margins in Washington will literally look different as a result at least a hundred and twenty five women are coming to congress record number at least forty three of them are women of color with first of all sorts, the first Muslim and the first native women the youngest ever, we're. Constantly reminded that Trump's presidency is exceptional. Well, this too is unprecedented. But the question is what will become the new normal? We're going to keep pursuing that question. Take a break because you know, it's been on. We've covered a lot of ground in the three seasons of this podcast. So over the coming weeks, we're gonna stop and we're going to figure out where we wanna go next, and how we can best help you make sense of these intense crazy times, we'll figure it out. And we may even ask for your help more on that soon. But for now, thanks for listening. United States things -iety is production of WNYC's studios in the newsroom WNYC. This episode was reported by brigid it was edited by Karen Filmon. Who is also our executive producer? Casey means our technical director. Our theme music was written by heinous Brown and performed by the outer girl brass band. Michelle Harris has been our checker throughout this season. Allison light is our intern. Any Lancet is our archivist. Our team also includes Amanda renchik, Christopher Johnson. 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052 - The business model behind custom window coverings, Alice Orozco of Pret-a-Portiere
"The product startup episode fifty. Two Alice Roscoe talks about selling made to order draperies online. Via pret- Hi. Everyone and welcome into the product started podcast where we talk about turning ideas into successful products step by step and thanks for listening today. In the last episode Samantha. Mantha and lane of Midas Cup talked about creating an all natural alternative to coffee so make sure to check out episode fifty one if you want to hear more about creating a food product and getting into local stores. So let's jump right into our interview today. Hi Alice thanks for coming on the show today. Some some really excited to have you on because I was interested in your story because you mentioned early on that you had a hard time getting started and I know a lot of people. Listening are the same way they have a problem just taking that first step you know they get trapped in their head or maybe even find it difficult to kind of go out there and test the product and see if they've got a market it for says hoping maybe you can talk about how you got started and y you got the idea to create your products. Yeah yeah absolutely saw. I started the company appealingly at of my passion for Interior Textiles. I had been out of the industry for three years at the time. I was working working for an association helping women in ICT and by tank. And I worked out of a startup incubator. This this is where I developed a strong appreciation for entrepreneurship and also I reflected a lot of my iron background. Brian up up a month cycle very entrepreneurial Maga Incite taking all these experiences in watching leading from the start ups I was very easy. We got to stop my driveway business and do it in a way that is streamlined. Automated and creates opportunity for this scaling. In High Gross Weight is very difficult to do with Kosovo finishings as wide scum. It however No I after much trial and era I have finally cracked the code will business model. If you like so talk about that a little bit. When you first got not sorted you mentioned that you bootstrap the business? What does that mean I actually sat on the ID and probably for about two years in Seattle paddle the funding to stop my company than life happened? And I was pregnant and I couldn't I just. I didn't have the money but I a new. I wanted to saw this business and I didn't WanNa weigh any long got started. I was actually five months pregnant when I saw audited and dotted with no money took a lot of Probably about a year from that point so we launched a year off to that But yet it took a lot of work a lot of ground work a lot of race age and a lot of negotiating associating with supplies as well yes. Let's take it even a step further before that. Sometimes people say that. Oh you know what I've had this idea and I want to turn it into a product. I don't I don't know how to get started. We'll talk about your process a little bit when you had this idea to do some of these custom furnishings. Was that what you started with. I had a a business selling custom kittens. Which is dotted when I was about sixteen years old and I did that with three years? I didn't unrealized at the time but I was actually very successful it. I never really appreciated everything that I had accomplished. In that period writ however that business it failed in a sense because I had accounting experience at all business experience I actually stopped doing business in our win I studied a degree and whatnot but Like I said I was out of the industry for quite some time. And and one of the things that I loved was Textiles and now working in that industry. Already you know. I mainly worked with a lot. Other high profile clients I worked with very op market customers and I was selling dry dry bridge. That would ridiculously priced and always in the back of my mind. I just saw it. Look they has to be another way. They has to be a way to be able to give this sort of quality product to a large group of people and that thought thing that I sat on for quite some time to sort of thinking about it trying to develop some strategies around that until I finally was is able to do that in. That's when I decided I needed to stop this business yet. When people usually go through that process I think they they sometimes who produced maybe a limited run of products and they go out there and sell them what they go and talk to some people face to face are they set up a table and ask people's opinions How did you do that to make sure that there was a market for it? I mean obviously you worked in that industry for a bit before so you understood the market. Really well yes yes. I've the actually do off is ability study which took me about six months to complete in I did a lot of intensive research judge Not on the industry by on the kind of customers that was GONNA be targeting. It was very obvious to May lie. What it's like like every day but in Australia we do a lot of new builds? You know apartments himes end yet. the renovator is a big thing. Here is well sorry. It was very obvious to me that it's it's quite a lodge off market for me to get in church and it was very feasible. intensive speaking to people. I didn't really do a lot of that. Only because I I had already leaning Ivy two hundred haimes previously helping them with it winter finishings on you. What people wanted a new kind of products they would by Casare putting the right product in front of them was very easy for me based on my experience in the past as interior designer? Yeah Yeah exactly exactly. I knew exactly what kind of product they would go full so it because like I said I was spirit strapping it. I couldn't offer everything I at the Stod I I only had. I think about ten products which is selected based on my experience of what people generally bullet and with the with headings eight five pay people generally go with is neutral colors. It was very very easy for me to pay the product but having said that. If if I didn't have that experience I think it would have been very wise to me to go out in and get that research face to face with all the people because otherwise I would put the wrong product awed in front of the wrong painful. It would have been a very costly mistake. And that's a good point that you bring up about using your past experience as an advantage advantage and I think a lot of people don't do that as they come into a new space and maybe they don't apply what they've learned before just because it's a you know maybe they don't think about it but it's it's interesting that you're able to do that with your work. Can you talk a little bit about how you're able to push through a you know the challenges of competing against these larger companies. You you know whenever we think about creating a product you see a gap in the market and you feel like you can fill it but then at the same time. A lot of the markets are dominated by these conglomerates that have have a lot more purchasing power a lot larger budget for marketing and advertising. What made you think that you could compete with them? This industry ear where I'm based I it's very fragmented saw You either have a people united sawing windy vanishing out of harm own. You've got your much lodge retailers than than in between you've got your interior designers. It was very clear like I said because I saw a lot of website ups. It was very for me I needed to be online and that was a big plus for me on. I'm just being able to identify the fact that astrology needs online. Retailer of wind are finishing custom window finishings and and another thing also was fact that you either have your budget cheat product or you're very offensive product product out there. I wanted to be in between and yeah light you not just understand the market. I know what it's like. I know what's out they. I have have done a lot of research on the publicly listed companies in my industry in a lot of the smaller retailers that are out there. As well Moseley the wholesalers. I actually within sorry three my previous business. I did outsource to a lot of site. Understood how they worked in who. They've customer the base wet and look. I even reached out to a lot of other supplies and people will generally pretty happy to help the Getting to the industry. Just basically what. Picky O'Brien of it and yet generally everybody was really happy to help. And it gives some advice but look majority of the people in my industry are Old off they. Dr Did not very web savvy Internet net savage. Unfortunately for you at the time yeah United States I started being more Here mistrial Australia Putting their business online trying to sell custom finishings online by I love like I'm a big user of online based absent Jason United Sas dice products and whatnot. Like I've got a big vision Businesses at Now my vision is is a lot larger than that so I kind of feel like I'm one step ahead each time or each year as a guy. You're in appreciate you sharing. How you differentiated did Your Business? Because I think a lot of people step into it and think that they have to compete on price and in reality. What you're doing is yeah? You were making your business. More accessible by focusing on the online market and people being able to get custom tailored you know furnishings a direct door pretty much I and the also dominated the middle area. Where like you said there wasn't anybody in that space? You either had really expensive products or something on the cheaper end. And that's really something important Horton to know in almost any market is that there's probably going to be gaps that aren't being filled right now and you need to make sure that you're well positioned for that and it's not that you just saw the gaps you you also recognize that your skillset was doing the online stuff that other people weren't doing. Yeah that's right but look having said that they took meanwhile to get to that point to be honest. I when I started. That was the idea that I had biden are how to get they. I didn't know how to get it online. How to make end another big element for me was getting the right business model with this industry? Even though you know you you products very expensive profit. Margins are actually very large so that was something by a sat on for a long time and I tried to strategize around you. Know How can I have a product that is at the right price. But then I'm also going to be a High Greis company. I'm going to be able to make some money. So that was a big challenge and it took till a few different business models before I could get it right. Appreciate you sharing that because I guess that we've had on the show. It make it sound like it's a straight eight line to go from the from the concept to Soudriette realized right And I know that's not the case just personally as an engineer. I know that we interact are designed resigned. Constantly you're constantly. It's almost a guessing check where you're going out there. You're testing the market seeing if it works growing if it does or scaling back if it doesn't and changing pivoting to a different audience and it's almost like you have to do that constantly. It's constant yeah just being able to adapt being able to change range and for me. It's been a lot Abou- passive heiresses. Well you know they would times when your sudden business wouldn't walk. I kept at it and it got to the point where it was like. Look I needed changes or I need to quit and I was just is never prepared to quit. I never quit. Basically in that case the past Characteristic of mine but it's paid off you know knowing knowing when to quit is so difficult because sometimes they answer is that you need to quit. Because maybe you've picked up by a market that saturated or the audience and product. It isn't right so maybe you can talk a little bit about the the business models that you chose. That didn't quite work out. Can you mentioned some of those. And maybe why they didn't work for you show show will initially look my idea was Have ready made high quality product. It's like a lot of the ready made. That are out there. Probably not way your advice here in astrology really tacky shade ready made could and so. I thought you know what I'll have already made product. We've old costume will be spike standards and my idea was just sat. Ah How ever I didn't have the big buyers I didn't have enough buys for that I needed to have some cash flies. Soy I got into custom-made again but then I was sucked into doing it. The traditional way of selling constant made couldn't way you you in visit the clients. She do a free measuring quiet and I did that for about a year in. Just it wasn't working for me like I at the margins in the industry very lar- and unite. I had my son was still a baby. I just. I couldn't do it as mother. It was too difficult. United to what fifty seventy hours a week full very little return and so I went back to my original light. A Year of the ready made out. Mock it vanishing and I thought I hey will how can I do to mate as well and not swin. I decided decided I need to sell custom made online men. I've moved towards doing that online. KABADDI about a year end yet. Light Light Benjamin was just the website. went through about seventy for websites. I'm actually J. to launch a new one again and then getting that right getting old assistance behind it right now. Yeah I know exactly what my business model is in where it needs to sicav right to the header to San sounds like quite a journey. As you've gone through this you know. How have you handled the customer aspect of it and still standing behind your work or providing returns when needed and things like that that must be a challenging aspect of the business as you know beauties of the beholder and someone gets their custom furnishings? They might not feel like it's up to par with what they were expecting even though that's exactly what they ordered yet. Look I actually face a law when customs officials in a traditional way. I would visit the Klein design it for them etcetera now because it's all online it basically the customer feels like they're in control. I helped him along the way I I give them ideas. And I can customize any element they want it's not just a matter of choosing assize in a fabric if they want to add any other element they can do that in I've start thought it doing it that way. I have not had a single complaint in re body loves WHAT THEY GONNA get now. If a customer ease I represent shore we do also scale drawings for them And sketches really get a lot of issues like like the customers that I get now people who want to do it themselves. They don't WanNA design a- and you know they they just feel in control of the whole design prices and it's very satisfying for them but look the biggest challenge for me was finding the supplies those allies. It could work with with ready. made it was. That align was difficult enough because I was so seeing. Aw offshore and finding supplies that could you know do minimum order quantities. That would be flexible in that. All sides could develop the product with the quality standards that I required. It was very difficult. I actually went through about two hundred. Supplies is by even had to teach myself a little bit of Chinese thought. Could get tricky cue. which is a bit like baseball? Bet The Chinese as us. I tried like Indonesian Indian companies and nobody could get the right quality. Eighty four Masar yet. It took a while may define a supplier but until I action found one. That was was happy for me to train them. Sorry I train them through. Video is in like I said initially was fruit. Strapping soit wasn't like I could travel traveled there and talk to as they were just very genuine people who wanted to help. I said look this is my idea. I don't have any in money in. What I'm willing to do? Is is take she end. Thanks of bullet. They provided my inventory. Three off a free of charge for about six months. Sorry I built a very very strong relationship with them and now the next stat. Once I went to cost to made that was another difficult. Poss- I've actually Game on the Gold Coast here Estrella area and that was really good bye kept it very lice Gal. Because I didn't want to spend too much. I didn't WANNA have to charge my my clients even more money for my products. I'm just sort of made it work between international than also making my products likely as well talk about that strategy a little bit. Are you sourcing fabric from one area of the world and dropping your manufacturer and then they're providing a custom custom a drapery for your clients and then sending it to you. So absolutely one of the biggest strategies May to be able to offer a A good price product is for made souls the fabrics direct from the mills. Otherwise it's just basically impossible not I'm doing the same thing. So yeah I mean whilst I try to under promise in either deliver. Generally I do promise promise like a high quality product at a very reasonable price and the only way for me to do that is to cut a lot of the middleman woman on the biggest costs in in my in saw finishings usually as the fabric when you looking at market quality products. It's generally enderle. Always the cost of fabric end. You know I have actually souls product that is sold for about one hundred and twenty dollars. What's a meeting hall sal? oppsosed it for about twenty dollars. A Mehta saw united that same product. I'm just by simply going unite tonight. Direct to the male the Arne issue without of course is that you do have to by in large quantities and now united. Because I've built dies relationships have built trust and I am able to order Loa quantities. Obviously I've got a much larger product range. So yeah I have Mojo. It is with them. How did you establish that trust early in the beginning? You know it's very difficult. You can get the position where you're over promising something that you probably won't be able the Lebron. It was very difficult. Look for me it was just about being genuine just being honest and just saying this is what I wanna the jury. I'm willing to help end. Look it was very fortunate. I was able to meet a few supplies who are very genuine and they also wanted to enter into these Kid which they went on doing directly and sorry. Yeah I don't know I guess I just May. I approached him in a very honest way. I didn't have a promise. Anything was just the case saying Nina. This is Mike All. This is what I wanted to do in. This is a potential whether it will happen. Not I 'cause I've Com promise will you come on on-board basically lackey Amina Sanofi supplies. That will definitely very keen Spain like five years now in I've been working with them for very long time it was Got A lot of authors now coming stories so obviously as Otis sided tummy story that builds on that trust and they were willing to do a lot more as well off. I wanted to take a minute and talk about the One on one coaching that I offer to entrepreneurs and small business owners were launching physical products. If you just getting started I can work with you to create a game plan based on your skill set and budget. We'll go through the product development process together an outline your specific steps to your industry or product based on your capabilities can also suggest ways that you can create or outsource workable prototypes and do feasability testing. Of course I can review your prototype and suggest you just ways that it might be simplified or improved and ways of creating drawings design specifications. If you're going to outsource design I could be your second set of eyes and check your organization keeping an eye on reducing cost where moving manufacturer ability. If you're going to hire product designer can also walk through the process of hiring somebody and reviewing their portfolios the ozone suggesting questions to ask them when design is complete. We can definitely work together to find the right manufacturer or I can ask for bids for domestic and overseas companies. For you together we can even come up with a quality plan for your manufacturer so you can balance risk with cost just some examples of tasks that I've helped other clients nights with most sessions are usually hour long and we talk on skype or through the phone you set the pace and become up with tasks that you should knock out before we meet again. I can hold you accountable and also so. Make sure that you're putting off the right sized chunk for you. I really enjoy hands on work. So if you think that you could benefit for one on one help let's go to the product startup dot com and Click on the consulting TAB to sign up for call yovany negative stories from working with suppliers. And you don't have to mention their names but is there any learning experiences that you took away from the whole sourcing and getting samples and things like that basically Trust every suppliers. Sorry it was dumb. I had one particular one where I put all my eggs into that one basket. I spent Little money that I had earned on this one in particular company This was before I found my more reliable ones and I got Promise one product than when I ordered the much larger quantity. I've got a completely different product and that took me back. I mean it wasn't a lot of money NBA. It was everything for me at the time. And it took me back on a whole year so I did have decided incited them that I had lawyers in the area. They Will Wade said we will go in there and Illegal battle with them in which case they didn't want to as sort of take that ride side they dade actually sent me the proper product by didn't work we spend again. They they did. Try to rebuild. ooh trust in in that relationship but I decided to stay away. May with Eddie Ye supplier now. I I want to buy a Sites Oughta based on the sample. I'll actually build it up slightly until they prove themselves house yet. That's a good tip and I do that as well have a product that I'm selling an Amazon for us. The shipping from China is a pretty large cost and so oh the cost to ship a partial container versus full containers almost negligible harass. So the the ramp up is actually pretty quick. So you go from samples to full containers pa-past that like I totally agree with you. You know ramping up to different container sizes and the frequency of orders. I absolutely agree. Have the manufacturer prove themselves exactly through their deeds not just their promises right exactly exactly. Like I've heard exchange many stories of people getting ripped off. I have a friend. I spent fifty thousand dollars on an order to buy electron aches and they got a little box in the mail full of US stay memory. Stakes Indaba disappeared completely star. I've had a lot of stories like that But Fa may on it was. It's it's risky in dealing with new supplies. In the time you know and I didn't have the money to due to waste. Yeah I had to be very strategic in my Parche five thousand in I let my lesson very early on In obviously now because we have grown. It's very easy for us to go. Make face to face in another big lesson that I've had that I have learned with Mitch. Flies is to have multiple supplies that can give you the same product The same quality product as well because at one point I was working with only one supplier and they were in the prices of shutting down and yet a cold it was a lot of dramas I might. Business was on standstill for about three months which is very costly and eventually they did actually sell that company nate and we were able to get started with them again. Waste a new owner of the company. But now I've gotten Supplies that I work with. And they deliver the same quality products and its whole site provides diversity unite while it's one company. Nate can give you a certain product. The other one can give you something else and one thing that we didn't talk about it. All is quality inspections. Have you used any third third party inspection services or anybody like boots on the ground so to speak and other countries to help you when you can't be there in person. I'm a huge fan of that personally because I'm not. Ebola traveled to China. Yeah Yeah I look I definitely recommend it I did use that initially by it didn't work for me because unless that particular individual company is an expert in what you're doing or what you're doing doesn't really require wire any climate expertise. It's fine but it didn't work for mate because they spent that was paying for this particular individual patrol agents. Say just wasn't worth familiar because I didn't understand like for me in terms any token dry. Praise you WANNA look at the stitching being makes shorts Yet they did not understand that it's like all signed together. That's good yeah. So there's there's a lot of detail that goes into Qa but my product to end it was a case where not decide to myself. Sorry you know every product that week get in week two Q I check. And if it's not right multiplier remakes it and we don't have to pay okay any extra for that in in a pretty honest as well lead loyal Got On. It's never really had any issues after we did all the training and there was a lot of back and foles just to get it. Ride bought yet. Once it's done riot lie get haven't had any issues no the victim. It's good to hear so as you went through this process. And you're slowly growing your business is you're growing your supplier base. I imagine what what sort of things did you do. Due on the sale side to make sure that you had additional business coming in. I know you mentioned that you start a website however you advertising that website that has been a huge challenge for me. I would say that on my K.. With sales in general very use to marketing from a very a traditional plenty but online digital marketing. That was just showing you for me and I just felt like I K- The minute that I let something than there was just chained. Some you know then remarketing came on and I just couldn't keep up So that has been one of my biggest biggest challenges by one of the things that has wet for me now is social media in all sides developing a late magnette met at having some automated email than find Kohl's yet that's interesting so what's your lead magnet for. Since you have this physical product that you're selling they give you their information. Look I tried. You know all the free repoll side tried discounts. I to try to let none of that. What may in the end one day? I didn't do this intentionally. I thought because I was getting a few requests for samples. Simple the free samples but not a law and then one day. I'm like look I I just WanNa have like a page on my side where people can order for examples pulls and off delight couple of days I had twenty request which was huge for me at the time in that. That was great because people could have the textile in front of them but even better out was the conversion rate line the conversion rate. HMA is about fifty to seventy five percent from that one lead magnet. Yeah that's when I decided I K that's going to be my lead eight magnet and I'll build that whole concept of having a funnel around that well it makes sense to because I imagine that you provide some exclusive fabrics that are at least difficult to source the might someone might get close. But if they're picking one yeah I'm looking at some of your patterns here if they're picking something that's very specific it's going. It'd be difficult for them to take your lead magnet and go somewhere else with it. Yeah because I suppose my product directly from the mills on nobody else has any of my product. Yeah unless they're retail so that sells it or You know they buy three. May there's nowhere else that they're going to be able to get any of that product from so. Oh how are you able to ship out all these samples for free while you're running your business. Now have an Admin said who does that so soon as requests come. I'm story We send it out. The next day ascended out express which colts me about seven to ten dollars to send out. But it's definitely aflaid west at for me because it's usually very likely that I'll be added. Is that sale. So let's talk about your funnel for a little bit. You mentioned that this ample process this is a big part of that so far from what I understand it based on your explanation some along will brass to the site though see that. There's a free sample but none the website. They'll hit it the fill out their information. Pick their samples. They'll get the samples in the mail. I imagine you follow up with them with a series of emails at some point. Get sorry the facts thing I do is I actually follow up with a fine. Coal sideline my family's not just online but also on my defiant in history male so a lot with a coal and then depending on how that guys I take invite the next of action sometimes times after the one coal ready to make note a bit looking in this industry it usually takes about four to six weeks before somebody places off So then my next series is a series of emails. And it's not so much around all this is what we do or selling my product or anything like that. It's more just emails saying what can we do for you. What are the things for example? Um that I have mentioned before was that we can do sketches. So if they're on shore of what's going to look like we can't do sketches end I send them an amount around that and that really like they loved that the fact that offer it for Mine Jay. They never asked me to do it. It's very rare that I've had to do sketches so the next staying just have more emails. You know it site cannot give you some o- samples things like that in people generally say yeah and I wouldn't mind some more callers. Even his email automated Respond to them search. It's small conversation like my emails very very simple. It's more like an actual personal email is opposed to like mass bulk. Email yet and I get response from that and then I continue with my follow up. Calls which a never sales pitches aren't anything like that. It's just like you know. How can I help you waste designing uh-huh product? Usually what I say to them is what is it that you wanting to achieve. Because sometimes it's not about just looking at the the window finishing that a look at the whole interior awesome. You know what is it that you want to shave in your interior and we look at it from that perspective. Sometimes kids isn't the mice appropriate Organiz. Do Tell them and obviously I on. The cell cat is dynamic shea. Sell blinds are the things in their light all day. They appreciate the fact that I'm honest ashed or whatever they have in mind sometimes it's not appropriate to give them a lot of because they're doing it themselves actually measuring themselves. Doing the whole process assists themselves might give them a lot of technical advice and tips and I really appreciate that sorry. I think that's probably why I've got a high convention right with that particular magnet. So do you make the calls yourself whenever you could follow up on these leads now. I do actually have sales staple and they conversion rate is law than mine. I think Because yeah like they want to sell. I just want to hell bow. I JUST WANNA see my product in they harm for May. Obviously it is about the money but for me at the end of the day is valid just serving that satisfaction of saying my product in the harm and being able to help them to achieve a beautiful interior. So Yeah I highlight. I call people from the. How can I help you? Standpoint this set of fina buy my product in built a lot of relationships they will refer me me onto other customers. Essentially I do some of the Kohl's I that's what I love Bobble the Admin accounting outside. I knew that things thanks bye. Love is just helping a police. I try to do as much as I can make that. And then I've got some I've got a south-south that does my I web based in I also hall sow now so I've got somebody that deals with dice hall sal on clients in that totally different to online. Yes we'll talk about that a little bit while we have some time. How did you get the wholesale clients to begin with and did you did you? Did you start with the smaller under the wholesale accounts and work your way up or just go for the jugular so speaking go for the largest accounts who can mainly the smaller ones in Wasilla told my hotel ladies I get from trade shows I do get some now from instagram. Haven't been on Instagram for very long. I've had quite a lot of interior designers Combo there I've also got retail stores That my product and yet that's mainly anything. Straight trade shows all size trae like personal connections out that I've had I've just to make it clear to everybody else. I imagine that your product doesn't can have any type of protection on it in terms of intellectual property protection like a patents or anything like that doesn't the people will beat me over the head if I don't ask that question but I think a lot of a lot of the Allow the differentiation especially from a business like yours comes from from the unique value that you cry provide especially from the sourcing that you're able to do like you said you're going directly to the mills getting pricing. That's better than anybody else. And you're more accessible supposed to your customers through your online presence. Plus you're able to basically sell a custom order products so unless someone's willing to go through all that trouble to duplicate your efforts pretty much have a you know almost like a trade secret so to speak. Yes exactly any like I said before I always try to be one. Go ahead so my vision is always to five years ahead SAR Obviously like there are other people especially Shiites as doing online draperies huge in the US. Yeah Yeh Knew this more now. But look. They're priced too. It also sort of trying to apply the traditional way of doing it on the line whereas for me. I'm just trying to scrap the the traditional way of selling Dr raise completely and just try to reinvent the wheel. Not that's what for Mesa in Info my customers take my customers. What are the things that when The kind of feedback that I received from them is that you know. Waste your traditional retailers retailers that go into a high particularly if it's very Market High and they give the price. That's a lot higher than what they would give another client for example and that's very common in this industry mistrial whereas with may my customers can go online and get a price instantly. Everybody gets same price. It's very transparent. Meena I've doubt wave is the kind of clients that I deal with now are pretty much mansions. Wins in very odd market hines and they buying my product Punished at the price ice Where it's for some other clients? That are more budget conscious. My price might be very expensive for them. Sorry yet my target is very much is is people that Particularly have the money to buy strew like a an interior designer bought. They do what they amos thing. They need a quality product yet because of the Heimlich kind of time that they have. Yeah I appreciate you sharing that with the audience especially going through the thought process process because as you said it's a journey journey. What's your perspective on failure? Like I look at failure as data point and I'm an engineer and so For All the failures that I have that gives me feedback to improve. What is your take on that? Look I totally agree like I said I actually had a business in the same industries and I'd never realized he had failed. I never thought night. Like you're not gonNA move onto the extent May everything that I do is a learning curve and I died take failure too hot. Got To not a main like for me it's about embracing it signed bracing In doing something a lot greater in big AW. We sat experience perfect perfect attitude. Thank you for sharing that Elyssa. Where can people go and find your draperies? And are there any stores or anything like that where they can go find them. Yes yes I've thank God to. A website eats pawtucket P. R. T. I. E. R. E. E. DOT COM dot a u End On there yet. They can have a look at some of the other schools so we have stoles on the sunshine cars the gold cars in Sydney and also Melbourne. And yet they can just file mine. will pick so much for sharing that with us and before I let you go I always want to ask. Do you have that one tip for somebody. That's Kinda struggling. They're just starting out and they feel like they're not getting anywhere. And and what's your best tips to make sure that they stay the course looking to have a couple of keys to success that is sort of hold onto End At look for May number one would be business models. Try to find a business model that will bring high profits that is very easy to run like. Businesses can get very complex. But if you have the right business model you can keep the very simple Adaptability having the ability to change end ole SAR aiming for excellence it's on a continuous basis. Sounds like a whole plate. Yeah we'll thanks again. Alice really appreciate your advice to everybody and thanks again for coming on the show. I wish you all the best all the success in your business. Thank you very much. Thank you Joe. I hope that you enjoyed our talk with Alice. Here are my three takeaways for this week. Number one differentiate your business. Don't waste the bottom on price. House created a different business model that when her competitors were using thing Howard you standing apart from other similar products on the market. Do you think that's enough to win. More market share number to be flexible house changed her business business model multiple times. The same applies to products. Don't expect to design the right product at the beginning. Listen to your customers and pivot designer business if you don't get traction. My mom always told me. It's not the strongest animal in the jungle that survives. It's the one that is quick to adapt and number three focus on continuous improvement. As easy as it is to start a business now at similarly easy to fall behind if you don't spend enough time to improve your processes and leverage the the new tools that make it easier to develop and manufacture new products and grow your marketing and sales and interact with your customers so set aside time every month month or every quarter to explore the new tools and different business models. That are out there. If you'd like to get these takeaways in your inbox just go to the product. STARTUP DOT COM. Scroll to the footer of any page and sign up to the weekly wrap up. You'll get my three takeaways for each guest along with interesting articles free tools and inspiring innovations that that will help you with your own product star. So I have a bit of an announcement from this point forward. I'm moving from a weekly show to bimonthly show and that's actually for a few reasons seasons. I'm working with more clients now and spending more time on my Amazon product. I'm also working as a mentor at a local startup incubator called station in Houston. If you're a long-time listener of the show you'll know that I bought a foreclosed home that was boarded up and I renovated it from the studs up. My mom has been a realtor for the last three decades and I'm going to take over her real estate investments and businesses as she moves into retirement. So as I've taken on these projects it's been increasingly difficult to dedicate a day or sometimes two days a week to the site and podcast. Each episode of the show takes me about seven hours to produce from finding guests to recording and editing audio and creating the notes and marketing it. I really like doing the podcast. And I'm going to keep it going as long as I can. The monthly downloads of the show continued to grow at least ten percent. Every month. Last month the product start up to over sixty two hundred downloads. So thank you to everyone who listens and passes the podcast along to their friends. So join me next time as I speak about manufacturing. We'll have a guest host. Kirsten Ross of crowdfunding uncut will actually interview me so tune in in two weeks to hear that episode code. Thanks again for joining me today. I hope that you're taking action on developing your products.
ExtraTime Radio: Jason Levien (D.C. United)
"You're listening extratime radio. Ultimate heightening. He was on fire last night at all because you guys like Drake peer word association before he can get you out of here. Eddie johnson. Quick win will city Simon board over Snapchat. Do you know what Snapchat is since Wiki faces are not your no, I do and Snapchat one at all my contacts. And I refused to give it my Simon. You are in improve. From New York, New York, you listen extratime radio. Siriusxm FC channel ninety four and MLS soccer dot com. I am Andrew we with me. Just David Goss. No Simon board. Here we not just I'm sorry. David back to actually introduce Simon as being here. And then at the last I can be like, oh, man. 'cause I you know, you get into those auto mode and felt like you're in one. I'm normally I'm at the beginning of episodes. Of course, Simon Borg is down cavorting in Miami. And for Simon cavorting doesn't mean what cavorting means for the rest of us. He's probably hold up in some dark room working as his his habit. But hopefully, having a good time down there. Hopefully thinking about his New Year's resolution. We are we are. We are. Of course, our Christmas gifts from him shall come later some Mediterranean lunch, which I'm looking forward. We've got a great tweet about that though. Throwing it out there. Alex Syracuse things and he said how could Simon not think to get you guys Panini sticker. Yeah. That's a good point on Simon. I went through an obsession around the row before the road Cup with those fueled by Mr Borg, I no longer feel that obsession. So I'd actually rather have the lunch. A big show for you here on this Thursday. Just a reminder. It's the last one before we take off for the holidays. We'll let you know. What's coming up of I in this episode, Jason LeVine DC United managing partner. Co owner. They got the stadium done, David. We will talk to him in the second segment and then to start it off their entry draft you love drafts or MLS fan. You have to love drafts. And there's also some news floating around the league Kubo Torres, it appears he will stay. It's looking like Houston update you on that one Jermain Defoe. Joe verto some news out of Toronto. When it comes to those things, we'll get all that in just a minute. But let's let the people know what they can look forward to drown rats into. We have been working hard. I've been working David like the dog that he is. We've been podcasting. Yes. Very very very. Packed schedule for us. It's not yet over on Friday will do a couple more. But here's a schedule for you to simmer. Twenty-second will be the referee episode. That's Peter Walton the GM of pro as well as Crispin. So who is a pro referee in town. But he also refereed he was a center ref in the opening game of the hero Indian Super League. So there's some interesting stories from him there, December twenty fifth Christmas. We would not leave the people hanging on Christmas. What we never never ever. That's the American exports episode Alejandro Doria he will come on with us as well as David Patey. He is you don't know who he is probably listening there at home. He is the American owner of Yano in Costa Rica is a fascinating story. He's a fast ridiculous story to say. The least. Yeah, it's pretty good. And then we will check in with nNcholas AC. Who of course, you may know played in the couple of Premier League about a year to half or so ago. So he'll have some interesting stories from down there, December twenty ninth and expansion episode. We're very very hopeful to have Tom Paine. Of Elliot see that is not yet confirmed. We hope we can bring that to you. What we know we can bring to you is the president of MLS Atlanta that is Darren Eales. So we will certainly have him perhaps Tom Penn as well to give you the lowdown on what's going on with those twenty seven expansion clubs, and then January first drum roll, please. Kloof finally back. We've dropped the ball for so long the numbers game. We will talk to one of the authors. We will have the armchair us. Matt Doyle in the office are for endeavour bluer up to analyst and stat stat guy extraordinaire will join us. So we do want some mail on that we have some good stuff for your on ready already because we announced this four months ago people actually read the book, so but if you have opinions if you haven't pinions on stats and soccer Quinlivan to add extra time radio and Twitter extra time and MLS soccer dot com. Okay. That's it. That's the the housekeeping that we needed to get done. Let's jump right into it. The richer draft stage two was on Thursday. And it was a little bit busy. Dave. It was it was a mixed bag so to speak majority of passes from teams, but here's who got taken if you weren't paying attention. Macho had the first pick. They took former Chicago fire former Philadelphia backup Hikari Sumaria. Remember here in stage two team. Can renegotiate. That's the difference between stage one and stage to San Jose was second took marvel win. And then the second round they took Senan the dumb Canir reinforcing on the back line. And then also figure he'll play that four four to seven the wide guy in that formation Houston careers. Former team Chandler Hoffman from the LA galaxy and perhaps we're actually this year lows dose and Sturgis who has pretty much been everywhere in MLS. I think he's making a return to Houston. But this guy knows how to pack a bag so to speak whole lot of passes. So you got to see Dallas Tiba Harris taken by the hoops that would make sense as well. He's played for happy. Yes. We'll we'll take a look at that later. He's one of those big kind of target wide guys speed strength athletics goals. Goals. No matter where he goes New England taking tristen Boeing, and then passing of course, we've talked about them. They're whoa. On forwards right now, really just Charlie Davies top. So he's wanted to look at and then Orlando finishing it off with Josh Ford. Who is Josh Ford? You ask unless you're a Sounders fan, he's the number three goalkeeper for the Sounders the last couple years, he played at uconn, which is important because Paul mcdonagh, the VP of soccer operations, essentially, the GM down there in Orlando coached at uconn. So that's kind of a familiarity pick. Let's run down this this day. What stands out to you? Who's the guy that you really like this one guy when I saw the whole list before the draft was marvel win that I thought had to go, and he did I think it's a good pick. I think he's full back and centre back at this point. Which is why I was a little bit surprised Montreal didn't take versatility. But I think maybe maybe they think that right back there. Okay with both hustle Kamara as well. As as Miller, you know, that's just kind of quibble there. But Samara his best is one of the best centreback. We had a long time. So yeah. Marvel went was the big one for me out side of that. I put can push to the starting lineup though. What do you think you've got Bernardo's you've got Goodson? There were some injuries shoes there last year. But I write back you have an opening now with Hernandez gone. And I think with his versatility you have a guy who whoever's hurt you can throw him in. Whether it's he also knows the league. So he's experienced. He's a great athlete outside of that. I think Chandler Hoffman's a guy who may be Houston hopes. They get something for and Josh Ford seems like Orlando just wants cul Kiefer's, look, just that's your third keeper. And you you probably needed a guy who who didn't have aspirated necessarily at that top spot because you do have the two number ones would come in under stand the role do his job chamber Hoffman. What do you think own coil scouting USO big Los dose. I think Owen Coyle been talking about him over. And I think he tried to get him in. He just couldn't get him. Now his chance to get Shailer off. There you go. Now, he has them Nathan Sturgis. Of course, it good. Depth piece in that central midfield area. They needed somebody there behind Garrido and Rico Clark Sturgis once again veteran in this league. That's the kind of guys that you saw taken in this draft. Is there anything else really to talk about not as much happened as I thought what happened? I thought more players would be taken just in wires. You know, what I mean e- taking risks on guy like a guy like Henry Thomas who could be a stud, but has had injury problems. But you have the opportunity negotiate with I thought maybe someone like that would get taken. And I was a little bit surprised. Maybe that the expand that NYC didn't take a chance on anyone. But they clearly have their signings that laid out in the way they want to go about it. Yeah. You have to think that they're going to make a lot of news internationally. They certainly no way that that they're gonna go wasted international slots on this draft. And you didn't really see anybody do that either. Let speaking internationals let's move on a little bit Kubo Torres. We mention Hoffman in Houston. Kubo Torahs has been kind of a saga here for a while. Dave nobody really knew what was. Going to happen with this the word on the street was I wanted to keep Kubo and rumors were that no to do that they'd have to pay seven point five million to mothership Chievo Guadalajara, I guess they're not the mothership anymore though, are the now just a sham just the ship. So they could win ship. No. They're just trying to stay in the ship the championship that is. Right now, and this is all room, or this is all conjecture a lot of this reporting coming from go up, gold dot com, and and soccer by of course. But the team rumored to be in the running for Kubo is none other than the Houston dynamo. But also rumors on the street or that Kuba would not arrive in the preseason. He would not be there in March for the opener. He would play the first half of the year, the close Suda in Mexico with Chievo Guadalajara because they are desperately trying to avoid relegation is one of the top two clubs in the country. As far as support goes, really not from a results perspective over the last few years. They need goalscorers coup. Motza goal score. I'm sure he feels some sort of responsibility to his club. But what do we think of Kubo to Houston complicates their? I think from what we hear from own coil is he's a guy who likes why play and he likes wingers taking is on and crossing. And what do you want on the end of that is a lethal finisher a guy who loves to? In the box, and who loves to put put home any chance that you can get. He's young opportunistic, opportunistic, we know that he was able to score a lot of goals on a team that didn't create any chances. So you gotta think on team that creates chances. He's going to pour them in and on top of that. We've had the conversation a million times but bring a Mexican potential current international to Houston could be pretty special in terms of marketing. And you think about the guys that are gonna whipping in that service or not even it doesn't have to be whipped him balls the Kubo. Of course, you get foot on it in the box. Got Brad Davis on the left score Boniek Garcia on the right now you've also brought an Andrew driver who can fill in for Davis. If say they wanna play them in more of an attacking midfield role Giles Barnes perhaps behind him pushing play being physical a guy. That's as far as matchups goes, one of the most terrifying in molest, and all of a sudden you starting to think okay on this attack. It could have something here. But will Bruin is that? We haven't mentioned his name. He's been the number one guy there. He's been productive. What happens? To him, of course for the first half of the season. He's got an opportunity to really prove himself and to gain the spot. I think the question with Kubo is we actually haven't seen in play anywhere. But that center forward FOX in the box top you want him anywhere else. Right. You don't. I mean, he's only twenty one maybe he can do more for you than just be the guy in the box. Maybe he plays that position or close to that position that Giles Barnes was playing this year. And you push Barnes out. Why maybe there's a way that you can get more around the field out of him than just being the guy on the top certainly to reinforce centreback down there in Houston. That's their big weakness right now. But I think if your own call you have to be very happy if this deal goes down, remember, that's the caveat. Here. We still don't know as of this Thursday, if you had Kubo and will Bruin kind of a tune-up top so to speak because Wilbur although productive has been hot and cold oftentimes that that's the recipe for perhaps a Western Conference playoff team. So that's certainly something to watch. Let us know what you think about that. Is that the right landing spot for? Kuba? We had suggested some other spots in the past. But I think everybody can agree Houston make sense in a whole lot of ways. Let's see some other news. We're running down here on the news front. Hercules gomez. Speaking of league Amax, they did not get it done Tigray that is against club America in the in the title game for the well, not the mature. But the championship match they lost to club America Ventura Alvarado. He is the American that comes away with a winners medal too bad for her keys off to Pueblo though. So it is full circle for him. Speaking of international strikers, though, some news coming out today from his Tim best pachinko, he sang Jermain Defoe. And Joel berto are expected back at Toronto in two thousand fifteen do we believe him though, I eight sounds like it could be a bargaining chip away to China drive up a transfer fee from from other teams that are trying to come in for him. But the question is do you want him? I mean, he's a guy who if he's healthy he probably scores twenty goals this season. But it felt like his heart wasn't in the team. And so do you risk that and come back with him neck? Year when you're trying to get it. Right. And finally make the playoffs. I think I'm on that same tip. I said video the other day that if I had a house I would bet it on him not coming back. I don't think he wants to be there. And I think if you are Toronto you recoup your investment, and you go elsewhere, and you look for something that's more long term. Of course, they signed Robbie Finley from that stage one of the reentry draft. They resigned bright decay. Both those guys have flaws finley's only got one season more than six goals break decay. I love but can't stay on the field. Yeah. So you don't know if you can actually do it for any sort of prolonged periods. You'll berto though, I felt like he started to figure it out. You know what I mean? And he was a guy that from an attitude perspective. You didn't have any question marks about. So I like to see them hold onto him. I think they need that kind of, you know, elite goal scoring possibility at least there, and you let the other guys be depth around just needed a little bit of pace next to fo gave you that earlier in the year when you didn't have default. I think they lack that. All right. Well, that's kind of the rundown of news. We're gonna head of the DC United stadium situation. Realistically that was the biggest news this week. He has your finger up here with one more little piece. There's a rumor out there that mixed disc rude could be on his way to league max as well to go to Chiloe sin play in Tijuana. He would actually be the first American to play for Tijuana that didn't have Mexican citizenship because Paul Ariola was able to get it through his great grandparents. So he would actually be the first American signing that they've made from outside the area. And I think it's a legitimate shot across the bow of MLS and of American fans saying where where America's steam, no doubt. And you'll remember, of course, that Columbus a rumored winning spot for mixed disc rude. We'll see what happens with that one. That would be very very interesting. I think easier for a lot of us to watch those game. Interesting move for him. I am I wrong. But I on Instagram that he was in San Diego recently. And he was with Joe corona does Andre yodel. And of course, yodeling looks to be heading across the Tottenham this winter, let us know what you think at extra time radio extra time at MLS. Soccer dot com. When we come back. She's loving DC. United. We want to hear from you. You're encouraged to Email extra time MLS soccer dot com for tweet at extratime radio with me comments questions oriented. Uh-huh. Hey, this is on one hundred from the US national team. And you're listening to extra time radio. Extratime radio. Andrew, david. At last finally the saga that it never seemed would come good in a molest DC United's stadium situation. While David has come good. The city council voting unanimously to help fund this thing groundbreaking coming at some point here. We'll have decided Kohner Jason levian here on very shortly. I also referred him. Of course is the managing general partner. Most importantly for this. He was the point man for this project. And he got it done as I said, he'll join us in just a second. But first our reactions, I think when you looked at Twitter yesterday, which is pretty much the Taffer gauge for the world of American soccer. Not disbelief because people kind of knew that this was going to happen that kind of joy when you see a fan base along suffering fan base. And that sense finally get what they've been working for for. So so long and deserve. I mean, I think we were we were just talking about it. I think even in our K it's one of the top five or six atmospheres and MLS with the way that their fans I'm and putting them in the stadium. It becomes a dynamic club with the tradition. It's exciting. It's going to be an absolute blast to see a game there and they have a good team on the field as well. Right now. There's a lot of things to be happy about you mentioned the atmosphere. It's only gonna get better because we Mark McCloy. Here works in an office used to work at DC and kind of one of his anecdotes when talking about this. Was you talked to people on the phone? Yeah. We'd love to buy season tickets. We would love to be there. But call me when the new stadium gets bit. And at this point now you have to get season tickets to get priority seating twenty thousand seats right now. What what the team is saying it will be around. Those are going to go quick. This is another pasta. Ability for a Kansas City Kansas City with I think more of a winning tradition. More of a tradition. Long standing at least of. Of intense fan experiences organizations, the Barbara's gonna get down all the screaming eagles all these different fan groups that have just been patiently waiting have been pushing through at RFK, and we'll do that for the next couple of years still. But with a I on the future with a little bit of a twinkling there is because they know it's coming. Great times to be exciting. Great times of Jason Levy, and he got this thing done, and we're happy to have him on the show here on this Thursday. Jason how's it going? It's terrific and good morning to after the niche now, how do you feel are you did you get a proper amount of sleep is this has it really sunk in yet you've been working for? I think I heard you say twenty nine months, so it's a long process to finally feel like, hey, we got this thing done. Our ownership group, you made the invest in the club in the summer of two thousand twelve we join forces in partnership will chain exist owner, and the three of us myself are so here in world Shang, really we're focused on our number one. Priority was finding a permanent home for United. And you know, we focus on the district Columbia from the beginning knew we wanted to be in the district. We, you know, we did have some interest expressed some serious interest express and surrounding areas, but we locked in the district, and we wanted to make this a reality. So it's been tumultuous twenty nine months of some peaks and valleys, but we're very glad that we got over the finish line yesterday. And now that you're over that finish line yesterday. You celebrate it a little bit with the fans. What was the best reaction that you got from fan? I one fan. Tell me that he was at work yesterday morning and he read over on. The news on Twitter and asked his boss for a half day because he sold emotional and came down to join us our celebration downtown pin, social after the devote, and there are a lot of folks a lot of like that a lot of people who have been season ticket holders for nearly twenty years that feels so invested in this club and its success and really wanted to see today become a reality. And of course, the fans get the reward here, but I have to magin it's a reward for hard work for you. And the ownership group as well too. I'm just curious how did how did last night in for you? Do you sit down at the end of the night, and like an easy chair at home and import yourself a drink and say man that was a long process, but I'm here. How did you? How did you finish this off? How did you celebrate? It's like you sit down on your couch, and you fall asleep, and you shoot and you wake up and it's for him. You haven't slept so much for awhile. It's very gratifying for my partners. And I to to have this opportunity. I think the watershed moment for soccer in the United States, and certainly soccer in the district Columbia, and it's an opportunity for us to continue to grow this sport. Which is growing so rapidly in this country of Major League Soccer all that it's done to enhance soccer in the United States. It's just a an important moment. How much personal responsibilities you feel here because we've talked about you being the point man, you were the public one the guy behind the scenes, the one that was really focusing all his his time and effort on that. So I'm just curious how much I don't know if weight is the right word, but kind of in a way weight of the fans of the hopes of the expectations of the future of this club. You know, when we so we did our introductory press conference in the summer of two thousand twelve you know, I knew going into that. How important game stadium was. But at that event the amount of season ticket holders the amount of media interested out the stadium. I walked off the stage. And I said, wow, this is, you know, this is a heavy responsibility. And we've got to get this done. And I carried that with me for last two and a half years, you know, my partner who bested with me is based in Jakarta, Indonesia, and the end of the responsibility of getting stadium for DC United. You know, I promised him that we deliver on this. So I felt a responsibility to my partners. We certainly felt a responsibility to the soccer community into the fans and initiative Columbia. So it was an awesome responsibility. There was one we took very seriously. And I think we're gratified in humbled that you know, we saw through three yesterday. And what was it that we've seen it fails a few times before what did you look at those past experiences? Take from say, this is what I have to do different to get it done. This time. Well, I yes, I needed on the ground. We needed to build strong trusting relationships and partnerships with leadership in the city that that including the city council members the city administrator's office, the mayor's office to make sure they understood we had a we had a a a focus that was pure that we rented together with them that we wanted to see an outcome. That was gonna be a win for the city and a win for the club. But one that everyone was getting happy with a long and building those relationships and strategizing with those folks and being in the bunker, getting the bunker altogether, the public private partnership truly emerging that that was the key to getting this accomplished. I believe now what was the lowest point. Then what was the moment when you said, boy, this work is paying off. This is going to happen. Well, you know, there were some scary points. I wouldn't say low points. You know, I think having a male election changing leadership at the top. We just didn't know. Exactly what to expect. And we were so fortunate that, you know, mayor like has taken the role she has and the leadership she's taken because she's already made some very gutsy and bold decisions as part of the stadium process working with us in terms of getting legislation passed, but we just didn't know what to expect. And I the other moments are just the amount of time that passes, you know, you working on this months and months go by and you keep your head down as group you're focused on making progress, but some days, it doesn't feel tangible others what about what about the moment. You knew it was going to happen. Was there a watershed moment as you said? There was a was kind of a gradual process of momentum building and building and building. And maybe a few words here. There was a gradual process. I think somewhere around the fall when the consultant reports came out that city in the city council had ask for we even we had. A lot of information that accounts a lot information the mayor's office at a lot of information that we're all gonna try to move forward together. And then the last two months since that time, I've really been, you know, one step forward another step forward and felt the progress happening and that we were making progress towards solution towards an outcome. That was going to be successful. We seen in the press release twenty seventeen can you give for stadium opening can you give us a little bit of a time line of of what to expect show where the city has some some very focused responsibilities. We're going to closely with them on which are assembling the land, formerly they have agreements on most of the land and also doing some environmental work and some some work around getting us Ray. So that we're able to start building the stadium putting shovel in the ground. So those things are gonna happen starring first year, and we're going to be focused on our design implementation. And making sure that Archie is ready to go. In terms of the build, but also working closely with the city hand in hand as we have been for two and a half years on continuing to move the process along. So I think twenty fifteen is going to be a critical year in terms of getting the land settled and starting to build the process now, we've seen what San Jose. For instance. They're always unforeseen things that come up when you're building structures of this magnitude, and obviously as you mentioned, they're they're still not hurdles, but some things that get done before. You get started DC fans, I see on Twitter all sorts of people from all over the US. In fact, San market down March twenty seventeen I'm going to DC I'm going to do this thing. You know, part of me wonders should we be prepared for you know, like San Jose twenty eighteen opening maybe you're or do you feel really really solid about that year? The reason I feel good about our progress. Moving forward is because of the relationships we developed we the leadership and making this public private partnership. But we know they're gonna be along the way. And we're going to have to tackle those outcomes and do so affectively, but you know, we've been doing that together for a while. And so we feel good about it the responsibility we have to our fans, and this community continues it's grown in fact after yesterday, and we got so much support from our fans so much support from residents the district. Emailing calling writing into councilmember saying you wanna see this reality. They really made the difference here. Have you heard that? Have you heard that on the season ticket lines because I'm reading through the fake you on the website and to get that that. To be one of the ones in the new stadium. It's probably worth your time. Now to get in there and reserve your seats. Are you already seeing dividends being paid on that side? We are yesterday. We were talking with our our ticket sales team and our leadership team on the business side of these United. And there was a tremendous amount of interest and excitement. There is gonna be priority for those who sign up now, and we're gonna have to exciting seasons. And k saying goodbye to how ground they're all compliments that the team did there and chief so it's gonna be exciting process moving forward. But yes yesterday, there was a groundswell of support an interest. That was exciting to see in terms of new season ticket holders wanting to be a part of this wanting to be a part of the process, and we're gonna make our stadium development of very proactive and very engaged with our fans, we're gonna we're gonna use them to. To get input into how we designed the stadium. How we make it best in class and how we make it's really going to be the venue. And we wanted to have a voice, you know, he'd moved going forward of what you envision when we're looking at the stadium process. Do you know who is going to for instance, design it or you know, we've seen populace do some impasse number other firms? Have you narrowed that down and we've heard the twenty thousand number as I said, but what are some must have here for you? What are some things that that you look around the league or you look at what you have in your own venue now and say we need that we need to give our fans that will surely Fain gauge -ment check -nology is going to be important communication is going to be important in access to the building is going to be important. You know, what we've done over the last couple years as we've gone and seen and studied other socks civic stadiums that really have have done very, well, we're trying to learn from their mistakes. Also, but we've traveled around the country doing that looking at other venues, and we traveled around the world. Somebody stand looking venue. So we wanted to be first in class we've gotten a lot of work done already in terms of architectural design. But now align share the work gets done going forward. And it's going to be an exciting process. It's one that we've been chomping at the bit to start quite honestly, it's been mostly focused on the political process up to now. And now, we get you engage in in, you know, more focused way on the design of the state is there anything already that? You're most excited about in the design anything maybe unique. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna have to tell you that we're gonna keep a little bit of surprise there. We have we have some ideas, we certainly do for ways to make this Nikkei signing venue, and I can tell you we're gonna do that. But we're working through some of them. And you know, before we sorta unveil what those are, you know, it's gonna sort of work in progress. You gotta keep some things close to the vest as we do when we. Have guests on that? We know our fans will be interested in we put out some things on Twitter. And we say what would you want to us to ask Jason? And a lot of it was about this design stuff, and as you can expect from the borrow Bravo. And those sorts of people they want to know where they're going to sit. They wanna know if you can engineer bouncing stands, how do you? How do you keep some of that that personality that makes RFK so special, and it's really as you said made it kind of this hallowed ground is there any thought to replicating some of that? Shit earlier about the responsibility, we feel towards fans, and and there was a tradition and a history that's so rich and so prominent and so critical to DC United success and our supporters group success as a part of that that we're going to do I best known to replicate, but enhance it. So that is at the top of our agenda as we designed the stadium. You know, we want our fans, and and those are strongest supporters to just rejoice in the new venue and to enjoy it with us for many, many years to come and one of the things that I've heard personally from DC, vans, one of the things that they love and that special about it is that tailgate culture outside of our f k and how it might be affected if they move. Yeah. You're absolutely right. We've gotta look for nachos. The stadium. It's the area surrounding the stadium. And fortunately, we have some rights development writes this manslaughter development around the stadium. But we've got to think that. Through a very thoughtful way in terms of it making a place where fans congregate before and after ashes to engage in in. What is the soccer culture, which is not just those on the stadium, obviously it's in. And so we're going to think that through it. You know, we won't have access to the same amount of land. We had our case, certainly, but we think it's going to be a very very special place modern place easily accessible for fans for more than Egion. So, but we're going to think through exactly how do we do things. The best way, you know, in the area outside the stadium as you pointed out within the one before we kind of get to the mindset that this can usher in for a club. Do you have any thoughts of of building this? So that it can have the potential to expand. Because we've seen some new stadiums coming into the last we're thinking sporting Kansas City in particular, where we're going to build it right around that twenty thousand Mark, but we have an eye toward the future and saying that you know, what maybe this could get bigger. And maybe we'll. I need more seats. Does that does that pop into your mind at all? Yeah. I think it has to the way this sport is growing and the interest level in the United States and soccer. You know, we would be remiss if we did build a stadium that didn't have the opportunity and the planning to expand because we're just getting more and more momentum in terms of our fan base here in the district, and we're going to do that for years to come. And you know, we strongly believe in five and ten years we're gonna wanna bigger state because we're gonna we're gonna have so many more fans that want to participate in this. So there's absolutely, you know, at the top of our list is making sure we built something that has the flexibility to grow in. You mentioned that growth aspect, and one of the things that has been talked about so much with the stadium with RFK is kind of economic ability of the team to compete to put, you know, invest money in the onfield product. How do you see this new stadium potentially changing? I don't know if dentistry is the right word, but the way you guys compete in Major League Soccer. And and the way you invest in your team is this a if you're a DC United fan. Do you see the stadium and say we're gonna we're gonna see some big name DP? We're going to see some femi-. Martin's Michael Bradley's of the world. How do you guys see kind of the relationship of this new building and what you're doing and the competitive sphere? I. I think that we've got a soccer operations needed should team. You know, let by general manager. Dave casper coach Ben Olsen coach of the year. By the way, who who we are very very proud of who we have a lot of respect for who. I think terrific job this season. And I think it's questionable that they really impacted our club in the positive way this season that said I think that going into new stadium having more resources behind us to make business. More viable is is important, and it's good. Those resources are gonna lead to more any mission for us that we can expend moving forward, and we're going to be thoughtful of doing that certainly it's going allow us to utilize those resources to make the team better. One of the things. I saw we reference back. The Twitter really is kind of the heartbeat of of American soccer at this point. And it's it's life span. But I see some rumblings on there. Or yesterday from the likes of Brian Strauss and others about a potential not rebrand, but maybe a polishing of the DC United brand. It's such a classic. Well known successful brand both on and off the field. We've seen teams they move into a new stadium. And they kinda they kinda massage that identity, and and move it to the next phase of their lifespan. So to speak. Do you have any thoughts as an organization that some of that might be either necessary or maybe just help augment what you're doing? Elsewhere in question. I think that we've got we've got a very specific, and you need culture support in DC United. We've got her fans who care so much about a rich history and tradition, and we're not gonna do anything to jeopardize that, first and foremost that being said just as engaged in the stadium process, and we plan to engage our fans and supporters in that moving forward to make the s venue for them. We're gonna have I log around other ways to improve the. And other things that we can do to bolster what we're already any discussion starts and ends with the fact that we care so deeply about the rich history and traditional DC United has. So we're mindful of that. But certainly as forward, and we look towards the future, we're gonna look for ways to improve upon everything built and Jason for you personally talks about how much time you put into this. Now after you take a nap later in this afternoon and get yourself ready to go. What's your focus gonna be on really on around this team coming up over the next few months? Yeah. Listen, we've got big decisions to make on the roster. You know, this off season got the re entry draft. We've got you know, we've got look at how we build that Rosser the combines coming up, and I'm you know, I'm involved to the extent that I talked very regularly with an Iraq coach and general manager kept their thoughts and their strategy of that and trying to be helpful in trying to sounding board for them. And it's important. A very good season next year. It's important that we go even further finished first in Eastern Conference this year. It was the biggest turnaround, I believe and Major League Soccer beliefs history. But we want more than that. And we're, you know disappointed, and and it was a bitter pill when we lost in the Eastern Conference semifinals to the rebels, and we like to see a better outcome next to your certainly so that's what we're focused on in. And then it terms the business side. I think we're very focused on continuing to work with city continuing to foster those relationships and make them productive to move this process along to bolster our season ticket holder fan base and RFK to let our fans know that. Hey, this is the moment to to stay locked in and focused because we've got to deciding seasons at r k coming up there's gonna be a lot of nostalgia around the stilling. We wanna bring home another championship. Even before we get into a new. Building and do that. And you're gonna be with us from the start. And you're gonna be with us in terms of getting already in the building. History here in the spring, right? I mean, cut cap Champions League. Some people are forgetting you guys are the number one seed. Yeah. I'm excited about that. We are. And I'm going to be traveling down Costa Rica with the team in February? And you know, I'm hoping that our partners Eric will might be able to make that trip. The three of us are very engaged and excited about the upcoming season. And certainly Jeff in just just what we've accomplished there is is really inspiring excited about if you're a DC United fan. Certainly congratulations to you Jason on a job well done here. Getting this across the finish line. Thank you for coming on here on this Thursday, Jason being DC United managing general partner and co owner the day after the vote goes through we've been waiting and it is done once again Jason. Thank you for joining us today. Hey, guys. Thanks so much for having the and let's catch up against you. All right. Thank you. That's that's what you wanna hear. If you're a DC United fan. Right. This is this is going the direction that you kind of always dreamed that it could always had kind of these at least in the recent recent history kind of these valleys, and then some peaks, and then some valleys it's been up and down. You've always been going after the stadium. It always felt like it was just out of reach. You have it and have Jason Levin here saying all the right things. Right. I mean, nothing in there if you're DC United. I don't know. Maybe we're wrong. You can hit us up on Twitter view, Email. But that sounds like the trajectory is decidedly positive. He's also a guy who walks the walk. He said we need to get boots on the ground and get the stadium done and he personally went down to DC. And does it gets to know these people? So I think a lot of what he just said you can believe in terms of taking the club to that next level, which this stadium is going to be a part of doing. But it sounds like like you said there's going to be other pieces to that on the field. Maybe maybe some tweaks with the brand they don't think they'll go away from DC United or the band stopped tradition. But you could give things a facelift tradition a little bit. Let us know what you think at extratime radio via Twitter, extratime soccer dot com. Email when we come back the mail back. Want to hear from you urine? Courage to even extra time MLS soccer dot com for tweet at extratime radio with any comments questions orientations. This is marva win of the Colorado Rapids, and you're listening to extratime radio. Where nothing there. Oh may care. I'm just a. Now on X radio. Winced hitter weepy. David Goss, your final episode before we go to to the Bank. I guess what we've been banking for you. I think you're like that stuff. Let's jump in the mail back here. David and we'll find out immediately. Why we played the king? Well, one reason is because Elvis phenomenal. Yeah. That's good. I spend eight hour car ride listening to only only Elvis, oh who was who was driving that. You're not my pops. We from Memphis to Saint Louis so Email from Vinnie. And he says, hey, wasn't the only stadium vote yesterday. What do you guys think of Las Vegas potential? I love it. And I love how you said Vinnie Vinnie, very New York of. In case, you haven't paid attention. The Las Vegas city council on Wednesday voted four to three in favor of a public subsidy for a soccer stadium downtown soccer stadium in Vegas. That's part of this whole bid that's going on. I believe there is called symphony park. Yeah. That's the that's the area on that. One. Of course. One of a couple of different groups Minneapolis has to Sacramento, we've talked to them in the past, but Vegas is going for this thing. And I for one would love it come on who doesn't wanna go to Vegas. What players not going to be sold ongoing Vegas who doesn't want to be the first team in. I think that's the cool part for me is something unique for this league in this country. How can they can they figure out the weather? That's the one quest yet when I've been to Vegas in the summer. It's a dry heat, which is nice, but it's still extremely hot it. We get some Qatari engineers in here to figure that one. Got a lot outside the box ideas. Yeah. But speaking of stadiums. What's the one we've been talking about sock? United Marlin Argueta from crofton Maryland home of Kyle. I oh, you I have a number of swag items that I've owed you for a while that I need to get here. So I'm hopeful that I will get those in the mail that tomorrow or at a later date. Listen, I don't think Marlins to upset right now. I think Marlins in a pretty good mood pretty much. We sent out some messages the ecstasy of DC United fans, we're going to convey it through Marlin it looks like they're gonna get their stadium. They finally made the push he had a few questions in terms of do you think maybe they come in with a big signing. Brian Ruis from Fulham to connect with the local fan base there. And what do you think would be a good reward for DC United season ticket holders for San Jose? They got to be a part of the road around digging. A lot of them put in their own seats if I remember correctly. So he was asking what do you think would be good? One. His one suggested was maybe a tore before the stadiums are need to be open. I think you'll get your tour. I think they'll probably have some sort of walk through like that or at least like an event out at the stadium. But that's a good question. What something really special pet raccoon a chunk of concrete from our? I would take Chuck of concrete from our k you could probably just take it. I don't think they're not gonna get your seat from RFK. You have to be Landon Donovan together. That's true. They wouldn't just give those things. That's interesting. Maybe fans have some good ideas. Maybe they have you know, one of those things where they put your name on a brick or staff. You know, Jason loving was talking about developing that area around there. So maybe they have almost like a walk of a legacy walk where the the people to help pave the way for us to get here. It'd be pretty awesome moving on here. We have in tweet from both Benton and Ben Phillips, Ben Phillips, and Arabic linguists and Jack of all trade, and they both tweeted us about one thing, which I'm thinking of making a Twitter handle call you know, your soccer nerd win. Because I thought the same thing, and you know, your sock nerd when the US in Cuba normalized, diplomatic relations, and your first thought is Ozzy Alonzo playing holding mid for United States national team, they want to know, do you think that this will pave the way, and is this a potential still I think there's a possibility the question is do diplomatic relations 'cause the Canadian Canadian what am I talking about Cuban federation to to have their own thaw spoke so to speak because the word has been that Ozzy Alonzo's asked for that. And we saw. Ker dot com are limbless compadres. They have asked the human federation for comment. They've wanted to talk about, hey, why is this happening? Why why are you releasing him? Of course, a special considerations Ozzy to move over after playing internationals with them. They did not get a response on that. So if it hasn't happened yet, I'm not sure that that diplomatic thaw will get it done. But I think Ozzy would probably like that. And I think probably a lot of US men's national team fans out. There would like I think the one thing that we might not know is maybe the central government was telling the FA don't release him because we don't want our players playing for the US, and we don't want guys getting asylum and thinking, they can do the PR implication. There are not great. So maybe the FA really doesn't care. And now that maybe it is still tough to to just give away. What would be one of your best players? Yeah. Yeah. And also, maybe he could play for them. Now that the helps we'll say Email coming here from Jim Nelson in south Sioux City, Nebraska. I believe he's a Creighton and sporting KC fan, and he had a question based on Creighton playing in the big east and college soccer now, but just more in general of do you believe that there's an east and a west style of soccer? There's a different, and I know that this is a huge basketball conversation always been an east west style, which has kind of like a complete like black hole of style right up in the upper midwest and the big ten pretty much misery. And I think that style starting to be lost a little bit with TV and internet where everyone watches each other and plays with each other. What do you think about in terms of soccer? Boy, that's that's a tough question. I'm trying to I'm trying to think because you have an east coaster in Bruce Arena coaching the galaxy. Yeah. So I think oftentimes style is often dictated at least in the mainstream from the highest level that you're watching. So it's hard to say like, I couldn't sit here and be like, oh, you know, the ten teams in southern California really play an expansive aesthetically beautiful. Style football. I just don't know. Yeah. I don't think. So I think it's interesting that both sides kind of have like a ground zero of talent, you know? Of course, it's the LA southern California area for for the west empire. But but here on the east coast. I think it's just west of here in that like jersey, Philly eastern, Pennsylvania or not eastern eastern, Pennsylvania kind of triangle area. And that seems to be where a lot of that elite talent comes out of Florida starting to make a push as well. But that's interesting. I wonder if people that are more embedded in say, like the soccer culture, or like college high school, whatever could answer better. I think one of the things he seeing the college soccer is what you end up with at the end of the year, which is one playing in cold areas at one playing in. So you have different styles. What I think is unique and exciting about molasses. You have that academy system, and you have the potential to keep guys at home, and you have a potential to build a culture where you can say. Hey, look, this is how Philly soccer place and we play for the Phillies. Union rather than other sports where you have to get drafted. So it's tough. And then adapt one to get in. They are probably drafting you for your attributes and your fit. Exactly. So I think that's that's an exciting. Interesting question, if anyone has any a- respond to here's your interesting note that just came through on the wire Jay Vitovich, the head coach of Wake Forest that's east coast. Of course, heading all the way west Portland he will be the head coach at t to yet. So that's an interesting move. That has some implications for both college soccer MLS on the pay attention to. So here we have a question from Brendon from Irvine. And he said he was on Twitter the other day reading, rob Hainan's Cuna. And when asked about if Kansas City would try and site, Stephen Girard. He heard that the New York red bulls had a discovery claim on him. So he's wondering do MLS teams just put out claims on the Messier the Renaldo those Lonzo just in case they end up trying to sign or is there a limited amount where you don't wanna waste and another the hotel bar like super draft like a discovery signing a lot. I think the way it works is that you have a limited number of these. I believe it's ten I could be wrong on that. But you have to be intelligent about how the us though. So if you don't have a shot at landing guy, AK Lio Messi, don't put it discovered. Claim it on him for the red bulls put winning on Jared that tells me that they think that they have a chance you have. Of course, we talked about this on the last show has that relationship. So they probably think there's a possibility here that you know, we could get this guy. And that's how I have to do it. A lot of them. Of course, are people in South America, guys that you don't know probably but ones that the teams have been scouting for a while. And, but if you had the chance to get messy, and you didn't have the discovery Claremont, and you'd be kicking you would certainly real quick before we get out of here. Simon's New Year's resolutions. We've got a couple Jamie from Grand Rapids says that he has to stop using to me at the beginning of all of his sentences. David aren't on Twitter had the best one. And he said resolutions futile. The board is in a movable object of opinions, and I think. Dave is going to be a winner. I think they are futile especially for Simon Borg for us. Our news resolution. Well, it'll be come back into be better than ever. We were not gonna be around. Of course. We'll get your evergreen episodes coming up very very shortly. But that's it. That's it on this Thursday. His thank you to Jason. United co owner general managing partner they've got their stadium. Congratulations. Thanks to Dave. It's been another good year. Thanks to our listeners. You are what makes this show special. 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Upgrade 216: The 2018 October Event Draft - LIVE in Chicago
"From relay FM. This is upgrade episode, two hundred sixteen today's show is brought to you by pinged him and timing and insta- bug. We all live in Chicago. My name is Mike Kelly, and I'm joined by Mr. Jason snow, Mike Hurley. Hello, Chicago. Jason pretty good. This is our first live. I mean, they're all live, but I mean, we don't read to do a script or something we they're alive, but usually it's just you and me. It is like a cat. Nobody cares about that Jason snow because we're going to go into hashtag Snell token, all snow to- question comes from Steve this week, and Steve wants to know when you haven't seen each other for a while and you come together to do some kind of live show just hanging out. Do you great, haunting handshake or friendly hug? That's an interesting question. Thank you. Listeners Nieve Seve I would say we are. I'm I'm from California, and so I think hardy hug, it's the way to go and I am a Hauge all my friends know this hugger. Yes, you learn. Hardy hug sounds like an Abboud to release well. Because Stephen Hackett keep his jokes himself, welcome Stephen Hackett to the upgrade program so we aren't doing draft today. It is all I draft in front of a live audience and we have doing something slightly different. So we have Stephen Hackett of many shows here rely on them, but we also have, Alex Cox do by Friday, welcome to upgrade, Alex. Thank you so much for having the welcome back. This is not your first time on the show. We really. Yeah, you did the. We did a draw before in the first summer of fun. Some refunds. They definitely remember it and very fondly. Great because we all going to be doing draw today. But for the first because we're doing a live episode before we do something slightly different in, I am of the understanding that drafts a sports thing. It's what Jason tells me, and there are sports Kostas draft, an raft analyst experts who every time anything is drafted outside of this room. But in the realm of sports, there's always somebody or a series of somebody's who are there after somebody made a pick to say that was a terrible pick. So Alex, Stephen will be saying that all of my terrible as we go on throughout needs today, we're going to be throwing to them every couple of rounds and asking them for their now, assists of how me Jason, booming and the drug judge this intro, no. You ruined it. So that's your judging we, I do want to say before we move on, we do have new upgrade draft theme music, which the audience of not heard yet, but you deal listening audience have hunt. So we wanna thank Chris Breen for his amazing what on the draft theme, this Chris Brin and the Chris bring marching band. It was a very expensive production, but we're very excited about it. So we aren't doing draft today because there is going to be as prophesized and ample event next week. Yes, in Brooklyn of all places was not prophecy. Oh, how do you feel about going to Brooklyn for an event? Well, let me tell you I can drive to Cupertino in about an hour drive to Brooklyn. Drive in on your way now and just gonna leave from here. Okay. Most the way there now. So the art work. Well, I should say the invitations went out featuring lots of wonderful illustrations. I think scenic, this counted up a few times three hundred seventy at least different apple. Logos created for the media. You go pretty good looking for classy. You'll your invite Jason has has nobody thought about the irony that the guy who does six colors completely black and white until now trolling you big time. That's yeah, I don't know what they're doing. They're yeah, they're beautiful. That was a very clever idea. I wonder how it might lead into what they do because they've been connecting lot of their art direction for their intros or their, you know, their invitations and all the things they send to people like me where where it's like, please RSVP those like the Chicago event that happened right here in this spring, the intro stuff, the package that everybody got. It was tied to the art that was up at the event through the slides to the promo video that they did at the beginning. It was all kind of a kind. So it'll be interesting to see if there's more to the story about these hundreds of apple o. goes that were drawn with something. I mean at the very. History. Exactly creativity in creation and it's a music school of something, right. Is it the Brooklyn something for the something Glynn academy of music, and it's an opera hall on the campus at the Brooklyn kademi music. Wow. Tim's going to break out in song, but we all do an address today, which means that our rules and I would like to go through as a ways to draw rules. We're going to be doing eight rounds today. Sixteen overall picks is eight picks each. The winner of the previous draft gets fuss bik. Who could that be? It's usually me and it's me this time. For to count as being able to have points awarded in the draft. It must either clearly be announced onstage all be presented. Clearly on a slide during the presentation. We choose from a list of items that we've generated together today. Again, for the first time we generated that list once together at a breakfast Baugh. Nothing that is blatantly obvious within reason is on list because every pick should have at least some risk to it completely ridiculous. Things are on the list. Jason's bottle that was put those in Stephen hack. It will adjudicate in case of a scoring stalemate between Jason a Mike. But if Stephen condescend, Alex, decide if Alex condescend off LIPA challenge coin. But I dearly Mike and I have generally played fair played by the sort of gentleman's rule and we, we can agree. It's usually fairly clear win. I was taking notes for later no half points or would it. There are no points of any pre-announced night that may occur between now and the draft and the points will be awarded on next week's episode off final that will be a PDF scorecard in the show notes to follow along. And there will be also linked to Zack Knox's interactive scorecard as well once live, I believe, as of right now, Jack is doing that. Thank you for for updating it for us. I wanna get some statistics. There's only ever been one other October event draft, Jason one. Not one, the twenty eight team result. So far March and September, Jason one, those I want WBZ. So either Jason obliterates me or I can hopefully take this year to tie and I expect all of Chicago is on my side. With this one. Everybody loves ties, Mike, especially in America for things competitions and the tie. Everyone loves a Braga to Jason. We have discussed potential of if we do come to a time that will be some kind of tie break at the end of the year, maybe a holiday best special, but we haven't decided that yet. I mean, unless we will probably want need it. Jason's probably gonna win new and your set me up now. I don't like this. I think you started that a long time ago so we we should. We should get started with draft picks. But before we do, let's go to a first break for this episode and thank all phones pinged them for this. This show banged him all the company who make website performance, monitoring, soup, easy. Everybody lost loves a foster website and pinged them helping to keep your favorite sites online companies night Netflixing Amazon, Spotify. These are just some relief. We use victim strew many companies Trumpington to take care of their website monitoring because websites can be really complicated. You can monitor any site transaction with pinged Matale stuff like user registrations and log ins and checkouts, and so much more can take care of making sure that your site is a smooth as possible. And disaster strikes you will be the first to know is so easy to get started. All the ping to needs euro that you want to monitor and now take care of the rest that is it go to ping dot com slash relay FM right now for fourteen day. Trial. We've no credit card required. Then when you sign up, use the code upgrade at checkout and you'll get a huge thirty percent of your first invoice offense to paint them for this of this show and relay them Stephen is the website still up this. Okay, good. I have not received my Pingtam alerts from a hot air balloon. It's really, I like the grandiose nature of it. No hot air balloon. Yeah. This I t Powell Mike's joke in the show. I think it's more accurate to say Mike, not going to spend the time to edit that joke. All right. So bust draft pick Jason Snell. Okay. So I want to explain something that Mike mentioned about the rules. Mike mentioned in the rules that we agree upon a list of items to pick from, and one of our rules is don't pick something totally obvious, and so that's the negotiation is. What is obvious and what is not. So I said to Mike today earlier today, Mike is the presence of new ipads at the event. So obvious that it shouldn't be a choice. And Mike said, yes, that is to obvious two of us. And I said, Mike was a dramatic reenactment. Yes, we were sitting just actually just my right. Okay. It's two of Jason and then we carried on, and then we exchanged a hearty handshake. So. As we do as you do when you're making rules in the draft and hugging and draw? No, the very next thing I said. So Mike, what about ipads? Getting face ideas? That too obvious, and she said, no, Jason? Oh yes, Jason, no, Jason. Wait said it's okay. Is what I say? And so therefore I'm going to pick that new. They're going to be why pets with face? I d I think I think it's kind of obvious and I really hope it's kind of obvious because if there's no home button and face ID. What is going on, you have to just just just all to pin codes. Again, the thing is, we think it's obvious based upon rumor appointing, right? It isn't necessarily office. This is going to exist because there are we spoken about many times over the last few weeks. There are lots of technical hurdles to getting an ipad in all of the ways that we currently understand the face ID system to walk with ID because do you have four cameras, do have twelve cameras. Do you have one camera right in the middle voice? Not not. It's just like, oh. Senator content flows around, you can pick that if you want. I'm not going to pick that. But so I think that it is a publicly take so valid that it was going to be my, we call it the super retina hole. It's a Blackhall with an old screen is just anyway. So I think that's perfectly fine. I think you'd pick very well. And there was some some degree of what we do here in this draft is because there are always rumors. There are always rumors it is how likely do we think that rumor is? Do you take a chance on it or not? And that one I feel like is pretty strong, right? It's not hundred percent. All of the rumors that are available, which seem like the most likely to happen. Right. And some my one, my bus, Beck. I expect going to be a new apple pencil. I feel like everything that adobe see like seeing peo- chief product officer, right? Everything that the same Scott Belsky, something like that. And we just referred to him as that adobe deogee guy who said too much on the verge cost seemed to indicate that there would be more about the events. So I think that the fact that these invitations also focused the fact that Photoshop is coming. I think all lends to believe that the apple pencil is going to become a more important product. The fact that the Logitech crayon exists has different technology for connecting the fact that we may get to this. The may even be lightning ports on the next ipad. Prose seems to suggest that there might be something. My hope is that it won't just be like his an apple over USB connect. They will be a little bit more to it. And all I really liked to see is multiple options. So you know, you can get the sleek white. At one or you can get one that has a rubber rise grip to it, which is more comfortable. And maybe they'll be one of a button on maybe the apple pencil. We'll get button on it for additional functions, whatever it is, whatever on might want it to be. I think that we're gonna see some kind of new apple and so on stagings week, I don't want this to turn into a mutual admiration society, but that was my number two pick too. So I think that was a good. I'm not to not to be the judger of how well we're picking here because I feel like. Judge? Yes, but I think I think you did a great job. Thank you. So we're going to go into pick to off the, we've gone to pick to. We'll be throwing to on draft Costa's for their opinions and thoughts about that two picks that we've made. So Foucault, Jason. What is your second pick? Well, I'm gonna key off of your previous pick. And when you mentioned a guy whose name we're not sure from adobe and say, okay, it's more fun when I have no idea who he is the I'm going to say him, maybe I don't know, Scott, we'll call him Scott. Dobie skied anyway, last week, adobe announced Photoshop on the ipad, and they got Phil Schiller to come down to LA to the adobe max conference and appear on stage and say, how great it is that adobe is bringing Photoshop to the ipad. And he even got a jacket with a pun on content Westville. Yeah, he's aware that's Photoshop. Joke. It's a Photoshop references. So, yeah. Yeah, I don't want to judge to about whether it was joke is funny. Sure. So I'm going to say, and this is one of our little show biz picks where it's sort of like, what? What is happening on stage. I'm going to say that in the roll out of the ipad next week they will mention or them, oh, not necessarily demo, but at least it will be mentioned Photoshop, running on the ipad will come up Apple's presentation as kind of a reciprocal agreement. They may bring out our friend, Scott, Scott bells guy, looked it up. He's name SCO bells. Okay. We bring Scott out or someone else out from adobe. They may not. They may just say it in passing. They may do a full demo, but I feel like if you're only on a new ipad pro and adobe is bringing Photoshop to the ipad and your perhaps introducing a new apple pencil that there this has to be a big part of the story. Even though the products not going to be out until twenty nineteen. I feel like it has to be a part of the storytelling that apple does here. I think that this relationship. Is a lot more than we know. You know, I think that apple working very closely with adobe. I think that this is a very strong relationship. This is something that they both need each other, but they're both need things from each other for this. So I expect for some time to come as going to be a lot of adobe on stage at different points. And I think that this. Eva somebody comes out and does some kind of demo or it's like, you know, oh, this, you know, we so happy about anew, Pont ship of adobe, which means in twenty nineteen. When you have your new ipad, new apple pencil, you'll be able to do things like these invites that we sent to everyone this rule made in the new. Like I think there's going to be something this seems like if they're gonna do any app demos. This feels like a pretty good one that they would do. I s a pretty pretty strong pick from you, Jason. Thank you list. Now. No, no, no. I heard you take that breath. Like, what am I gonna do here? I'm already a pick to. She'll what I want to go with. Tap is available. Is it though I didn't see on the list? No, it's not. It's not all this time, but celebrity on stage and musical guests performs or both on the list. Take one of those. Celebrity on stage. Also, if a celebrity like jumped on stage and had to be led off by security, that would count because my my pick here is something that if it happens is going to break my heart which is, and we're. And we're not an audience, they may boo if it's something terrible, I didn't make it happen. Doesn't matter. I am going to go with the new i-ipad. We'll have no headphone Jack. Okay. One one person. I really don't want this to happen because. I use over a half phones when I'm traveling and I use my ipad on, I'm traveling. I use it to watch Netflix on watching making motorist season two right now, which is. I, you know, just as quick side. No spoilers I didn't think it was going to be that good. I was like, they did such a great job, but lost one what more could be a lot more really good. But I think that. I like to plug all the holes in all of the devices. And with the introductions of eh, pods. I think that they're going to be able to use the excuse that the Google guy used when talking about like the pixelbook of like everyone uses bluetooth headphones now because phones have Jack. So we just took the headphone Jack all tablet, which is like the worst thing, but it will be really courageous for apple to get rid of. Jack. And I think that like they will include some of the headphones in the box right wherever they USB have phones, aligning phones and just call it a day. And then probably some, maybe this event all maybe another event next year it has been heavily room at the apples going to have some kind of over here have phones. They're gonna make based on that w chip technology. So. I don't want this to happen, but I think it will. Yeah, I don't want to have in either I edit podcasts on my ipad and it's an ipad pro. Right. So theoretically we're talking about professional us here. The box. I'm sure USB see lightning to. It's just it's unfortunate, I, I've kinda gotten over it with my phone, but the thing is I don't need other than a mowing the lawn yet I can use air pods. Air pods are bad for. Not good on planes for a couple of reasons. One, they don't give her allow, which is which is mostly fine. But the other while I was listening to book on the flight and about every hour, take one of them out to charge it, fill like seconds and then put it in to take the one out charged out, which was just it's an end, you drop them. It was terrible. So I don't want this to happen, but I feel like it's going to happen and I think they're ever going to do it. If they do change, we may not get to this. They do change the poets that go on the ipad ingenuous. There's a puff big time to do. So I didn't have this in my top list of picks, but I think it's mostly because I don't want it to happen. And so if it does happen, it's your fault. Less Laura over to dropped Constas, Steven and Alex for this thoughts on I two picks up well, Stephen, what do you think when you're watching Mike and Jason pick big, you know, all of these great in horrible ideas like plugging the holes, do you see a strategy? Let me go. A new long, very giggling. I know that was like a straighten Alex joke. Feel like I just gave that one have fun. Editing that left. I always see, you know, Mike, as he seems to typically pick with his heart. Whereas Jason's kind of like the Brady and like the Tom John, I don't know sports. One of the Brady's Brady, Tom Brady, it's all the home runs for the Philadelphia raiders. I don't know why. That's funny. Really. Entirely accurate. It's sports hockey. Joke, don't sports. Whereas, you know, Mike, Mike's the Rudy. Is that a real person or fictional character real. Okay, cool. Then it makes sense. But I think he's kind of selling out at this point like plugging the holes, really. He I think he just wants to go for the wind, really wanna win. This is our time. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I agree with you. I've listened to a lot of these and it's nice to be able to share my thoughts, not just screaming in my car. Exactly. Yeah. Texting might wide. You pick this, which is what happened last time. I don't know what it was about. It was, why did I say they will be maximum no max? You try to play both sides. It's Stephen. There's time there's still time. We'll say that no max and MAC, no mentioned on stage like they are in our overall pick list so crazy. I agree with you. I think Mike. Mike, just a lover and he he leads with his heart. That's what makes a great person, but what's makes makes him really bad draughtsman. This is a great idea. Jason. Would you like to go with pick number three, please? Yes, I'm going to pick something that I don't understand and I don't know why would exist and I don't understand the rumors and that's why it must be true when I can't wait to find out why apple is doing it, which is changing the smart connector on the ipad pro does some other weird thing in a different weird place that I don't understand. I don't know why. I don't know what they've got up their sleeve actually seriously. This is one of these things that I'm interested. All of the renders that are, I guess, from leaks from people who wanna make cases or something like that. All of the renders of this thing have a accessory port. That's a totally different location on the back. And I can't figure out why it's where it is. I don't know whether they're going to do. We have some theories about like, which I'm not entirely sure aren't just wish casting by us about them, like really embracing keyboards and having like a keyboard shell with a r-. Real keyboard that you can use on your lap and not just on a table and this more laptop like, but if they're moving the smart connector off of the edge and putting it somewhere else, that's not like convenient for a smart keyboard as we know it today. I'm not quite sure what that rationale is going to be. I kind of believe because picking it. I kind of believe those rumors are true, but it's a a moment where I, I can't see the other side of it, like, I can't wait to hear the explanation. And if there's some totally wacky accessory that we've never anticipated that they're gonna come out with, and I kind of like that feeling. So that's why I'm picking some I think in on this is is sometimes to remember that the small connector is not just an apple connected. Only apple can use, like it's meant is like the pot you connect to, but nobody makes anything for it. Yeah. We could probably list we won't. We could probably list all the smart connector devices. The fifth one, right? There's so like, yeah, Logitech makes like three, but they're not nobody cares. It's just Logitech. Yeah, I think for whatever reason, there's just some constraints around that connect wherever it's the amount of power that it can draw day-to-day complete, which has meant that nobody's made anything for it when there were companies that make keyboards for the pro that use bluetooth and they in theory, should use the small connected because it's better. Right? Doesn't need power and you know, you don't need to charge the keyboard. That kind of thing. I clearly it's just not right. So my thinking would be that maybe they wanna give it enough a show, and all of the potential renders show as like a logic connector on the back about the size of the of the Pat of your thumb rights outlooks my expectation, if that's not fingerprint, Rita, which I don't think it is, but like that was the rumors. Maybe it can drive Paolo, maybe that's what I would do it. Maybe they, they're going to try and really focus in on specific things that it makes sense for maybe it's to allow on different kind of charging that's not. Wanna changing, there's stuff, but I agree with you. It's still kind of a little wit anyway because. Everything we know about the small connector is how it works with the small keyboard and the small and small keyboard wouldn't walk with as we know it right now connect if they wanted to leave it as close to what it is now as possible. They would have to create a whole like the old smart cover or smart case, right. That was the whole wrap around thing, instead of having the two pieces that's what they'd have to do because the rumor has that connector somewhere that is nowhere near where the smart keyboard lips. So it would almost have to be a full unit that went all the way around it, which might be what they're up to, but it's a mystery. I love it. I love it. You know, we get these renders and they spoil all the fun in some ways right? Where it's like, we know where all the buttons uses different theoretically. But yes, we get this sort of mystery of like, what is this thing? Sometimes we guess and sometimes we fail to guest, so we're unto us up. Picks h. Everything has been ipad relate so far. It is possible that we won't just see ipads, and I am going to take a step outside of ipads at this point. Here we go. New MAC mini. Okay. So let's just assume that they're all going to be max it as I think, would you agree Jason that is like that we're all seeing max of this event as well as one hundred percent I would've. I would've picked that last time and I, the fact that I didn't is because I feel like there is a chance that we all get really excited and we go to this and there are no Mexican. I mean, I'll still be I'm most excited full the ipad. I mean, now I'm excited for the MAC mini. 'cause I picked in the draft. Yeah, I feel like if they're gonna do something MAC related, just discovered how fantasy sports. Just give me something to care about here. I think that whilst obviously, laptops are important and make up the majority of the market. I think apple as shown over the lost year or two. They are very aware of how fans of the MacIntosh feel right now, and they've taken steps to try and show that they are in Choon with that criticism. If they do an event and do not reference the MAC mini, I will not go down well at all it such an old product. This point something, it's one of these. You have to do something with it. The story rushes gone. One of those two things has to happen. There has been enough rumors to suggest that there is some kind of MAC, many in the works. I think now would be pretty interesting time to show that off. Yeah, I hope it happens. I have a MAC mini a two generation ago, MAC minis with very old sitting in my house and occasionally it stops working. I haven't on a smart home switch because occasionally it stops working literally all to do it dies. And it just gets a little blinky question Mark. But if I powered down in tower, right back boots and it's fine again, can I make a suggestion? Yeah, set it up in Syria shortcuts as hey, Siri, like rebuild the desktop. Some some like old. Workflow name? Yeah, that's good. Hold down. Yeah, shift option shift command, PR, Syria, reset my Instagram. So I, I have a smart switch literally anywhere in the world. If my server dies, I can just go in and go boop and it comes back to life. That's that's a really like two thousand eighteen solution to the to. Please get me a new MAC mini. I will buy it. I, I would love that to be. I'm trying, though again, what gives me pause here is in onstage in Brooklyn, the opera house, and they've got a brand new ipad prone. It's really exciting and I'm trying to picture Tim, Cook's in we got a lot of this is Tim. We got a lot of good stuff. Himself. He doesn't need to on the key as you come on. Sorry, this is Tim. We've got a lot of great stuff about the ipad to show you, but I. I think you're gonna like it. Jay said. No one is predicting this bust. Okay. Well, let's think about this then. Well, now you've seen all of our great stuff. We shown you. There's a new ipad pro in new apple pencil, amazing things here today, but we do have one more thing. All last. I think that it could be here is this MAC thing. We have another MAC thing, and it's this little one and then they just move on. I don't think they're going to spend a time when if they do introduce it. But I think if they have if they do something to the MAC mini is going to be newsworthy because they've done something in how many days Stephen over thousand. I think we're up to like seventeen years. Trust me. I'm the story in the last to be released. Ran a Motorola sixty eight thousand processors. True, Jason, Euell fourth pick, right. Well, I don't want to be lost in the shuffle of MAC picks, and I wanna make Stephen happy. So I'm going to pick a MAC thing too. I do think there will be a MAC thing there. Perhaps they'll say, well, we're very excited about the MAC mini, but we also have a sub thousand dollar laptop that we're introducing that his new. Now, this is a rumor that's been around a very long time in a lot of different forms. We heard that the MAC book air was going to get updated, which is in our list, we could pick that always seem like a superstar rumor. And we've seen some other reports that say, no, that's not quite it. It will actually be a new model that their engineering specifically to get back to that price point. So that can finally kill the MAC book air, which I love dearly, but is rapidly becoming like the monster in a horror movie that you think it's dead and then you open. The door and it's still there and it's so ugly won't die. I love it, but it's time to Sehgal by and and so I I want to believe there will be a sub thousand dollar laptop that apple will provide us that is not just the MAC book air with a slightly less old processor. So let's go through this for the for the sake of understanding the draft USAA new laptop, brand new cost less than the foul dollars? Yes. Okay. Yes, didn't we one of us picked this last time? Yeah, this is the funny thing we've never had this before, like about ninety percent of the things that we pick from which is lifted stray out of the September options. There was? No, I've had it was no magnet anyway. So. Where assuming this will replace a bunch of stuff and is going to be a consumer focused, laptop them, right. Yeah, absolutely. That this is the this is the because the MAC book and the MAC book escape. Neither of them have managed to get down to what this ninety nine MAC book air can do. And the fact that Apple's still sells the MAC book air implies that apple really, really, really needs a computer at that price. And what everything we've heard is that they still sell to this day in twenty eighteen people by macbook airs with technology. That's many years old at this point, not as old as the MAC mini, but still pretty old and they got the. The only reason they're selling it is because they don't have a product that they feel they can sell for that price because the macbook and the macbook scape or both. What twelve ninety nine. Yeah, that sounds about right. I, we had an audience. I expect instant fact checking. But so which is not there at a price that is not nine ninety nine. So I feel like they're gonna. They're gonna shoot for ninety nine with this with this thing, whatever it is engineered to be a new product. I I think that's amid all the conflicting rumors. That's the one I'm going to hang onto about necessarily giving stuff away filet a comeback to necessary. Do you think that the macbook would go away something like this exists? Yeah. I think if there's the moment that there's a brand new computer from apple and baron, new laptop that's under dollars. It's the end of the macbook air unless they've got like stock that they need to move. But probably it'll just be an x. product at that point it'll be gone. Yeah, it will go to education for wall, probably right in my book will probably stick around and then they'll go in. All right. Going back to the ipad. This fills risky. Like I believe the room is by, it still feels risky because as a- questions, my pick number four will be the new ipads will have USB see books. This seems weird now it makes a lot of sense all the reasons that we spoke about, but it still seems wit. Now the full pick that I'm making here is it will have USB see, and that's the connector that lightning goes away and is replaced by USB. See, that's the pick. I don't know how feel about it. Like I, I think it would be great, right. So a pixel three this week, and it was really nice to be able to charge that device using the same John that I use pro the same charge that it was plugged in because Stephen charging his macbook pro and the same charge of the I would bring with me to charge Nintendo switch. This is what you SPCA is full ride, like this is what it's full, and there are of a potential benefits of potential reasons. The ipad charges, very slowly of lightning. And this might be a way to help that, right, because you spec- charges, especially the ones that apple rated cells. The ones that lov apple customers already have willpower foul. There are lots of really good reasons. There are lots of questions. But I, I feel like if it's again as acetylene with removal, the headphone Jack lake of ever gonna happen like a huge haunt web phone, fight the change which were assuming going to occur? Yeah. Feels like a good time to bundle somebody's stuff up and it's a really good way to advance the rhetoric of how this is a computer and not just a big iphone. Right? Like it has the same charger as the laptop the phone anymore. Yeah, I think one of the reasons that I believe this is going to happen when this the moment I heard this rumor and everybody like that seems really weird. I I west device without lightning with USB. My immediate thought was, well, it's a statement. This is apple making a statement. I'm not sure how practical it is, but it's apple making a statement that goes with a lot of their statements about the I've had pro lately, which is that think of it more like a computer, think of it more like what you think of when you think of a laptop, it's not a laptop, but it is. I mean, I know what the computer everybody every time I mentioned the word computer. Now every this, what's a computer a computer, but. But apple does want to make that claim like think of it as a computer. Does all the things that are computer does what better way to just lay that down than to say it even has the same port as the computers. The iphone doesn't the ipad doesn't, but the ipad pro does because that's what it is. And I have to say, even though that's not necessarily the most practical thing for apple to do because you are as we've detailed just trading one part of Dunkeld town for a different part, you're just going to different subdivision? Yeah, you get your your lightning adapters. Go away USB adapters hurry, but it doesn't able some things. But today apple doing something like that to make a statement, even if it's not entirely practical, I believe they would do that. I think today's apple is is the kind of company that would make that choice to sort of push you in that direction because it's very similar. It's not quite the same, but it feels a little similar to the USB thing, which is just like, we're going to drag you into the future. And so to say. Honestly, I've had bro users don't have nearly as much investment in external stuff, right? Because the ipad pro doesn't work with that many external things. But if you do have video adapter and I was looking my desk the other day, and I still have like a dock connector video adapter thing in their Lila task, no, in in the desk. Yeah, but I wouldn't question. Yeah. Yeah, no more. I thought I need to make a little ziplock bag full of things that have the dock connector on it and then hide it away somewhere, far away box catapult. So we go back again to luscious dropped Constas, Steven, and Alex, what are your opinions on picks three full just now? I like the MEC stuff. Koshi did not just general. I think it makes sense. We've been so long. We're like the low end of the laptop line is just really messy connected. If you have thirteen hundred dollars in your pocket and you walk in an apple store, it's kinda hard to know what to buy a friend me today with that. Like I have one Maya. Laptop wash, shall I buy? I was like, nothing like, please wait. Get a surface book was getting. You want to keep him a friend. That makes a ton of sense to me that they've got to straighten that stuff out yet. So I'm on board with that. The pick the, I think the craziest pick so far tonight maybe agree. Is this smart connector business? Like I don't think changes things that they forget about, and I don't think they remember the smart connector. What are these pens? I don't know. What would it be for? Maybe somebody has like a niece at Logitech and they just really need to. Good. Through the rabbit hole here. People. I mean, real real follow logic is the only other company that has smart connector device, but a couple of keyboards and they've got a really, really, really slow charging dock, really bad. I remember that. Oh, you own one? No, I well, I have. I have. I reviewed one and said, I don't know why this exists, and now it's taking up space in the drawer next next to the documentary base. That's the product. I'm curious, Stephen, do you think Mike has become like a self hating pad user because he thinks the holes plugged, but he also thinks that you a spec- is coming to the ipad. That just doesn't make sense because it's pro, it's like sure, there's all these professional, excessive as you can use, but then you can't edit and you can't listen to music. Let me share something the audience here knows this, but Mike is not sitting in front of an ipad. He's sitting in front of a twenty seventeen to port MAC book, which he told me today. He loves. Loves dearly and he's actually lying. I do have a MAC in front of the reason is I need lots of chrome tabs for the draft. That's sure. Okay. Okay, he's here. He's playing. Yeah. So I just don't know about the smart connector. I know it was in the league so like I buy it, but I have not convinced myself of a story. Apple could tell. So that makes that could just be literally anything it does. It could be a magnet like it might not be a small connected. Any small on this thing by state we don't pick is a new smart connector. So to be clear if it is something else. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think I think what I'm saying is it's either a new smart connector or it's essentially the like the follow on the smart connector something. Yeah. If it attached to a keyboard accessory or something counts, if the role that the small connect to had, which is three magnet or humidifier or crazy thing, or a weird like charging place where you can lay the new apple pencil or something. It's airpower report. Oh. It's not. It's not that. No, nothing's that how it will never exist. So experts pick. Do you have a feeling about the MAC mini? Do you do you feel like like Mike, does that that might be a little bit of a risk? I mean, this is the Hurley. We've all grown to love. He wants. He wants it to exist. Honestly. I think like he also just wants it to exist because wants to set up like a cool plex server. So that's wants us to stop complaining about how long it's been since last update. Wouldn't that be great if we can stop for like at least a month complaining about how long it's been. So have some some more time follow. We're wondering how long it's been. So the average is four hundred thirty eight days between revisions of the vision. So two thousand seven twice in two thousand nine, two thousand and I was a great year twenty ten twenty seven twenty twelve. It has been one thousand four hundred sixty seven days. It's a long time. I think they're just going for some kind of record now. So one has fifteen hundred days on. A bullet and it just. Timmy's fifteen hundred his pool and he's just like, stretching it out. He's going to go. I agree with the assessment that it either gets updated or goes away. I don't know if that's Tober, but I think I will be really surprised if we're sitting here one year from now because we got do the other genius topic and the we're, we're talking about the MAC mini being seventeen hundred days. One of the two things has to happen. I agree. All right. So we all off way through the draft today. So let's take second break and thank a friends over at timing for this of this show. Timing is the automatic time tracking at a MAC OS. Let's talk about why you should be tracking. You'll time for anyone that bills hours or just people that want to have a view, the types of things that are doing the types of work that they are completing. This might seem like something that's a bit obvious, but if you'll employed billing project, you need to estimate how long specific toss is going to take you time. 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Once again, that is timing up dot com. Slash upgrade, stop guessing how how exactly you'll spending time and instead focus on doing what you're good at. We thank. Timing for this of this show and really FM. So Jason, it is round five, pick five to you. What are you? Got? I think we talked about max. We talked about ipads. I think there's a product that Apple's been selling for a couple of years that's due for an update and it is. Company product at Apple's been selling, uh, sorry, selling. And it's the air pods. I feel like it is time for an air pods update. We've had that rumor floating around for a while. Now I just I feel like we're gonna get something and something beyond just that case that they said would work with airpower, wouldn't it be amazing shift the case that works with airpower and they didn't ship airpower that will cheat. That right? And so I think I'm going to choose that. They will use this event also to launch the second generation of air pods, which as far as we can tell, probably not gonna be that different. The air pods are pretty great, but there is rumor rumor out there that they're going to do a little bit of update that will let you do the activation of a voice, activated assistant person. Hello lady in my ear without having to actually press anything that you'll be able to just talk to her and she will answer and do your bidding for him. If you choose the British Butler as the voice, which is full default mail in in the UK. Yeah, my my home pots are the British pot Butler now British Butler in my home. Okay. Stereo. To home pods, one Butler. Alex left fastest that I think that's thanks so much for tuning in. All right. So. Hey, Mike, how you doing fine. The pods. That feels that it could be the right time for an update, but the same time it feels like a product that. Yes, no right here you. They could just keep selling this for a while and for a while, making more money from them as dick, getting better at making them having a hallway telephone support, and it would be great, but I honestly would be surprised. So one of the reasons I think the haven't done this is because this this next revision of apple was just going to come with Cheech hunting enabled case, right? Because they said, when when Ed, how was showing off that, that would be an update to the pods, which was just a case in new case. And you could buy the case extra and you just get the case, no to the existing parts get sort of slipstreamed him. They would get the new case. Obviously they ship that maybe because. It was actually not cheat on Jane because it's unknown exactly what was going to be inept Hauer. It's going to be maybe a mix of changing something proprietary in. And I've heard some people say that. Apparently it would be very difficult to get she John Coyle into the suffix area of the app case anyway. So it may have been some stuff. Apple was doing, which probably will call file, which is why there's no at pal. So. Just flips open in the airports ejects urgency space space, launcher, Jack, right. It's just like evacuate the air pods immediately, so I'm not sure. I just feel like I believe this product will eventually arrive would make way more sense to show when you add a new iphone though. I think I don't know is an iphone. Why? Except for the fight this all we get rid of the headphones on the ipad. All right. Well, and I think about the this is going into the holiday season and that having having refreshed their hardware and putting the lady putting away telephone in more places that that kind of goes along with it, and also that it's already very popular product, but maybe they have a revision ready to go. And at some point you just want to start selling the revision and I would imagine that they'll probably just up updated, keep the price. The old one will go away. It'll still be kind of slipstream sort of thing. I think they'll probably be exactly the same shape and the case will be exactly the same. Like literally, it will just be the airports, we know with slightly better feature this always on listing kind of thing, and that may be it. I would love a color like to get them in space, gray, all gold, all some, you know, the whites fine. But I feel like the the white kind of had its day, like just the white plastic products from apple. Like I would like to see something a little bit more, but, but okay, I would like to see it. I am not sold on this one is you think it didn't didn't make my kind of my shortlist to go with my fifth, pick that the new laptop that you picked Elia will have no USB apples. Not even one, not even one. I, I just can't imagine apple introducing a new laptop that would be in the kind of the lower end of of cost and it had USPA pulse on. I think apple really wants everyone to move to USB see. They really would like that to happen because they've made some interesting decisions about how their products have been going, including if they put USB on the ipad pro that like, okay, like they're making some. That would be a very interesting thing. It would super surprise me if they will like, oh, we've taken the SPCA on it and the new laptop has US be able. It's on. It was Well, I, I just don't see happening because I also expect that this laptop will be super thin superlight, you know and will not have any like what's it gonna charge with, right so charged by. A USB see. So I expect that we'll have one Omay two USB ports on it. No USPA polls. I what gives me pause is the idea that a product line that obviously still sells into education to a certain degree is if you don't put a USB port on it, you are saying that it may be ninety nine, but the effect of price is greater because you'll have to buy adopters for it. Do you think that do you think that they would change that product. They would add USPA to that product for that reason. Like I know that that is a good reason, but do you think the apple would would make that? So I was about to say that I think apple selling today's apple sewing product for nine ninety nine that essentially requires an investment in several Dunkel's that cost a lot of money to raise the price to buy one hundred dollars or so is very much in line. So it's like ninety nine if you don't have to dungle town too. Everyone can go to dungle town. So yeah, I think that it will be USB see only I think that's kind of where they're going to go of it. I don't think they're going to introduce any type of John ging connector. I think that it's going to be. So I didn't have this on my list only because I'm a little, I'm I'm torn between apple being forcefully in favor of sticking USB on everything and apple realizing that some people have USB a devices and they don't wanna buy Dungl's because I part of me wants to say that apple is just fully committed here and they just, you know, look, we're, we're here for the future and you can adapt your devices if you want, but we're not going to worry about it. But then again, the brand new, I'm at pro shipped with a bunch of USB ports on seventeen contel. Quick story. Yeah. So apple had the I MAC right now, we all know that machine and they got rid of all the legacy ports USB or GTO. Yeah, it was actually the internal marketing hurt. It's not true. But then they had the power. MAC g three similar case like the blue color translucent plastic, and that machine shipped with a single AD port on the back it did and people use it for various things. The big reason, the reason I think it was there Jason United on this is that there was a lot of software required like a hardware copy protection, Don goals that didn't take you to any sort of town at all. They just let your software. Yeah, it was DRAM town. Really. If you were cool high, the prison that's outside of. This correctional facility. Yeah. So if you were cool kid like me and high school and use cork express for fun, you had to have that thing plugged in. So I think about that. But apple wanted the opposite with the MAC book per right, the the new machine that people like us us to like do a live podcast. We gotta have Dongling new cables. And so this is a time like the past doesn't really give a lot of inside think, except that apple is willing to break these boundaries sometimes. And I won't say what I think about your pick yet. But I do think that apple has blurred the lines, the old new when it feels like there's a good enough use case. So. So my next pick, I'm going to go with another product that we haven't really talked about yet in terms of our picks. But I again, partly I wanna spread it around a little bit here and partly I feel like this is Apple's last shot to do their product updates before the holidays and holiday quarters, the big quarter for apple, it not not all the products you think of is something you find under the tree. But the fact is they want him out there. They know a lot of people come into apple stores. They a lot of stuff having the new stuff in the apple store is a good thing for them. And so even though it, there are no rumors that this will be particularly exciting. It's good timing for apple to update the I max with new new. I MAC models. I don't expect that they'll be particularly radical. I expect maybe just be some new processors, but I do think it's time to do max just a refresh. It's super boring, but. But it's important Apple's business. They do sell. I max it is I think a product that people buy for the family and put in the house. And so I feel like it's time to update those those max. Is there a particularly compelling chip that should go in these max? Stephen, I'm calling on Stephen raised his hand. So the the I max use similar class processors, the MAC pro. So we could see something like a six core. I'm back totally the way the twenty seven inch is built. Now, the question I have about that. That's the stock into a part that could do lower core count. They felt competes with the I MAC pro, and I think, but I think I think maybe it'll be that that twenty seven inch retina is six core, and you know, there are a lot of people who use an mkx for professional stuff, but don't wanna drop the money for an I MAC pro. So maybe this is a middle ground somewhere, but I do think the core count will increase at least on the high end. Okay. You'll have to pay a lot of extra for the core I met. So you'll get in, we. Say that, but then the macro did about a fault. So who knows? Who knows? That's right. But anyway, I, it feels like it's time and I know that's a boring thing, but just kind of spread it around that that that I wanna believe that this won't just be about a couple of models that they're going to. They're going to give the MAC, some love, and if they do that, they're going to talk about tops and they're going to mention I max at least I don't expect it to be a big thing, but I, I would hope that they'll mention there's definitely a good chance that this could be like a press release afterward, and then I'll be sad, but I hope that it's more than that this. My next pick is one that I'm surprised we've like get around six, which is face idea will what both horizontally vertically on the new ipad pro I was. I was leaving that I felt like I would be booed if I picked the two most easy features of that. I'm not really sure take that. But anyway, I think that this is a good pick. It's a very good pick. If there's going to be again face ID we assumed is going to be one camera drool. Probably they some have to make this walk like, you can't have just one orientational on the ipad because the ipad is a full orientation product really like you can hold it in any way. We're assuming that they're probably going to have to write that. You'll be one vertical one horizontal to make it work. That is the Ben minimum that they need to do to stop this from being a wouldn't it be nice to have face idea on the ipad to I hate this. Like if it was just portrait right, like face, I just walked in portrait. It would get old very quick. Everybody with their keyboards attached to or suddenly lifting them up like this and putting back down that would be terrible. Although I will say all the rumors suggest that this will be a two orientational thing where where they figured out a way. Through different sensors or through different software so that they can see your face. And I think face idea on the ipad will be great ever since this rumor started. I've been in those moments where I'm sitting on my ipad and it brings up the touch ID and I think, oh man, like my face already. Here. This would be over. And so I'm really looking forward to it. But I, I also started to envision the like wise networking. Why isn't working? Oh. Turn it the other way. Yeah, not I'm not. And how do you? Can you visually orient on that? Can you say, oh, I'm not holding it in the right way used to be with the current model. You can say, which sides the home button on, but there's not going to be a home button. So I'm worried about the usability of that, which is not to say that I don't think they won't. They won't say there are only two worrying -tations, but I'm really worried that that's gonna frustrate people. I think it will be Honda in portrait landscaping, lots of people use at least some kind of cover some kind typically apple cover. Right. And they will help you in your in landscape to have some kind of orientation to it. I got a conspiracy theory. All right. What if what if you can't rotate to the other two imitations. Oh, right. So they what if what if the up is always up for your either in in up landscape or portrait and worrying -tations just won't go because it can't see your face thing. Boring conspiracy. Because there are listen, wait. Wait, Alex, you know. I just in the idea that apple what if apple totally breaks idea that, oh, you can just hold this anywhere in tastes. Nope. You can't even rotate that is helpful anymore to be able to hold it in love four right now. The home button makes a difference. But if it's literally the same in all directions and it doesn't matter than that could be the way that they set that off, I think is just refuse to rotate in a couple of directions. By the way, I didn't pick this. I'm not gonna pick this. Don't believe it's going to happen. It's just my wish. But when they do this mythical, I've had pro with USB. I would really love it. If they would take that apple logo rotated and say, this is a horizontal product, primarily the ipad pro. I don't think they'll do it, but I would love to see that or at on a little swivel. That's right. It's a spin a, it's an LED. It's an lead logo that turns the with you max. Max PC. It'd be great love that. Okay. So let's go over to the draft Kostas, Alex and Stephen for their opinions of rounds. Five and six. I mean, I think. The pick of basically having a, I'm going to call it the bypass of just having two different orientational. That's William. I, I know that's why I say. Very good. If they do that, we can over member, we were all together. Time was coined very good. But one thing I wanna be clear on so it with the air or air these airports. E do you get a point if they're just new? Not if there's a new case or anything as feature. Okay. Cowards. All right. Just something new. All right. Yeah, broad. Yeah, that's real really, really into win. Case counts as a new feature that is the case is wireless charging is the judicata I would say that's a new know we, we have a separate separate picked this. Just a just in case. Yeah. Wow. Cower. Now we. Harsh, you start it. I don't like the airports agree with you. All seems like that could happen any time. Relatives be like whenever. So that I feel is is pretty risky that it would be now except for the holidays. That's that's the one little voice in the back of my mind, saying, holiday buyers and some relics voice. Jason wins again. So I guess we'll see. So the US BA thing, I think for this to be, I think if they really building a computer and they they have sat down, they've understood the needs of schools and students and consumers. I think it will have a USB port on it. I think they, I think apple can go down that road if they are convinced that that's what those people need. And so I'm not going to be shocked if it doesn't. But if it has one, I would be happy. I think that that means they're listening to those types of users, and I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt on that until proven otherwise and that baby foolish. But I just feel optimistic that they are taking the time to get this right. And so I and I think the USB port is part of that as far as the other stuff I'm exits it's time it's it's been a while some the I'm in the chat room as well and the chat room talking about, well. Would it have the t- to in the fastest dis and like, I, I don't know. And that's this is just a mention and it's a different question, I think. But I think it's definitely time for the I max, especially there's that until tips that's been out for a while Abbas time for like the MAC intern to figure out how to put it in there. I think I think that's usually looking for the CD slot for a while. Suction cups, that feels that feels like something that can happen for sure. I like that pick. So we're going to round seven. The penultimate pick Jason Snell what he got. I'm going to do a nother apple presentation pick here and say that I predict that in a video either introducing during the presentation, apple will somehow reference the fact that there were many different apple logo drawn by people that were sent out for the invitation. So I'm basically making the art used in invitations leads into something a story of some kind or even just a montage in the presentation so that all those three hundred pieces of art will get shown in some other way. They might explain it. They might not say where they came from. I think that's maybe a different pick, but that they'll use them in some way because they want to extend the theme filling Mike pick. It does. Did you just insult yourself to insult me? Did you go through yourself to insult me ever. All right. Hashtag, Mike was right. You would be right. I get it like I totally, especially if this was made in this, this stuff was made info shop, right? Like and then like all don't think made in Photoshop, but I think drawn on ipad with apple pencil is gonna be the story? Yeah. No, Matt. How's on? Right. Okay. I see that. I see. But I didn't know they were all drawn by spinal tap. What's your pick Mike. I think we're gonna see some of app debut for the ipad from another major company that it won't just be adobe. You know, every presentation has that 'em o.'s of some description wherever it's games. I also like there's a ways something to show this. You know his this medical thing that you'll never use, but is really, they were slicing the knee open with the Appleton. One of the worse, I felt physically any present. It was Tara awful. I think that they will be some of a company that comes on stage joke about then you up that they've got, which is going to be a big deal. Exa wineries in all here is this company that you know and love who make this product that you know in love platforms, and they also gonna be bringing version of this application to the ipad, and it's going to be amazing. What do you mean by major company? Because that's one component of this big app debut from major companies. So what's a big attache. Familiar with that is going to be a company that comes on stage and you like they have a history of doing stuff. So it's not going to be like super awesome games and you're gonna be like, oh, you played that game that one time on the game. This is not a game. This is an application from a like a well-known company file maker, like mom. Back. This is gonna. This will be one of those ones. We'll have to discuss to agree on, you know, because what will. But I feel like we'll just we will be able to come to an agreement on like we competent. We don't know who this company is because we both use suffer all ready on the MAC. Of. All right. Las back. Oh, well, I did my wacky pick there and seven. You called me on it. I don't know. I'm going to go with another ipad pick and it is. Been rumored and I think there might be more to this, but I'm going to go with a four k. external display port, external display support on the ipad which implies USB see. And it might even be one of the reasons they're doing it as they want to be able to drive four k. it would mean that you could play a four k. HD HDR video out by a cable to a four k. TV and it would play there there, you know, without touchscreens, it's just either Mirroring or an external presentation display on ES right now, which is part of the frustration of this whole USB BC conversation is there's so much that they could do with it, but IRS won't do anything with at least not yet. But I feel like they're going into direction here with the ipad pro. And with that includes that. They have more power with you as I think to do things like dry video, I think also to drive external devices that literally more power coming out of the port than they can do on lightning and that that'll be good if you are running anything that's a self powered device. But for this pick, I think I, I wanna believe that there will be external. You know, really big monitor support right out. You'll be able to just connected in USB in the four k. monitor light up with whatever the ipad wants to project. Really struggle with this one because. If it's just this just on the south of it that you can run four k. extended display. You're right. I just this so many questions and I can't really walk out what problem MRs solving. But apple don't already have perfectly fine ways of doing like, we added a USB pulse. You didn't need a dungle anymore. Seems like a really weird thing to do. Right. Like it seems like a very strange like, oh, we completely changed this of the product just so you can plug into a presentation easily. What if it was we are introducing a video editor or we updated movie for like you can grant plug it into a four k. TV and do your edits here while you see it output there, but like then there will it wet is the I go. I agree. I think one of the mysteries of this humor is what story are they telling around this cause? Because we always talk about on this podcast. Apple vents are storytelling. Events there. Apple is selling products, but they want to. We've their little story about why they're important. Why that tech feature actually means something to you as a human being who's going to buy their product and what's the story behind you? A spec- and there's got to be one right? Like it can't just be well, you better. So we're using that now, although they might do that. But I, I would like there to be more and it could be something as simple as look at this. We can do four k. video now and you can. You can preview it. You can edit your four k. video that you shot on your iphone or that you shot on your ipads, new four k. video capable camera. Presumably you can edit that. All right. And I said she would judge us. I guess I was right, and then you can edit that and preview it externally on a four k. display that might be a story that could tell. Yeah. Yeah, I'm intrigued to also have another boring conspiracy theory here, but I'm going to say that for later. Okay, great. This is my final back now I have in the poss made some really bad decisions. Final time. It's true, so I'm gonna go with something I think is likely is, but it is boring. This is boring, pick Mike? No, you don't wanna. Do you wanna win? You wanna. You wanna tie you wanna tie for the year. I think that will be some some kind of promotion for the iphone ten stage. They'll be video, shows it going on sale or they will. They will meant, Tim will mention it like, oh, we just, you know, just had the iphone ten just down Brooklyn store and you're selling. It is. The second working day off, it goes on sit right because it goes on south Friday. The events choose day apple, I think I'll going to try and make a really big deal of this. I think this is something they want to be a big success for many reasons. I think this just feels like a logical thing. They would do like any part about that that will go on CEO. If they have an event the next week, they'll probably do something to mention it can sit her. I didn't even have this in my list. All right. I think they're gonna turn the page. I think it's going to be like onto new stuff. You're right. Sometimes they do bask in the in the glory of very show of video of the loss parts going on sale. That is a thing that happens like they do in event in October, and they'll show people buying phones in September. We'll around the world. I think the ten will be a big focus of that. They do it. All right. Okay. What do you say so boring and controversial, which is Meyer you for that? Pick when I first saw this list and saw the four k. ipad stuff. I thought that this was Mike and he had just like hate his head or snorts and bath salts or something. But now Jason was me. I hit my head. It's like a freaky Friday situation up here. Very strange. The now with the idea of like, yes, we need a narrative for this and it's not just we're pulling people into the future with USB spec- kicking and screaming. We're going to continue to be like, you can do real things on an ipad. However implausible can do that. How about you Steven? I think there's a world that apple ads for k support, and there's not a story is just, hey, you have a four k. TV and people plug things into TV's. This seems great. Like I don't think, and you can literally, you can take your great, four, caged, your move to my tunes and I don't have an apple TV guess what you just plug it in and go play and it plays, right. I don't think it has to be a story. It'd be great like, hey, I'm moving can use it as a second monitor. You can preview like that stuff would be cool and they should do those things. But I don't know if that is required to get in the door on this, especially if they're moving USB see for bigger reasons they explained and this is like, oh, and this also gets us other thing. Do you think that this functionality can be enabling and they do not mention stage? Yeah. Small feet. Dan always is six colors. Love these post where he like goes through the apple website like these are ninety two things that apple say, but happened today, like I love into that list. Oh, all the stuff is true. Those are the draft killers draft, so great band name dropped killers. It's just a killers cover band. Get to drink a lot of beer before they go on. Who knows. I do think that if they do, they should do this. So I like it from that perspective, but I just don't have buy into the idea that has to be a giant part of the and especially if they're. Giant part. I'm predicting literally. I think maybe if I had to predict I predict they're literally be a moment where if Mike and I were together, we would high five where it'll be like we announce USB on the ipad pro look, does four video. Okay after there and these other things, I actually don't have a problem with your first Jason about art. Being included. Apple has become much more artistic in their events. The last several years. You know, they have all this. The Chicago event was entirely handwritten and get a full, and that was started the invitations and extended all the way to present. But even at WBZ see the banners that are on the outside the building like that stuff is just kind of filtered out to everything during these events. So I expect I agree degree. I expect to see that stuff even if it's just like the apple Lagos are like flipping around before Tim comes on, you know, screensaver on the projector or something I think will be there. I don't know what Mike is thinking about either is like, I don't know how you define a big app from a major company. I think apps, MAC app, some third parties that this ipad unlock. What is on that list? BB at it. Yeah, right. Mars at that would file maker. I want this to happen so badly because I don't think that the two of you will be able to decide what is a big company. We'll have to decide. No Stevens going to let the official wording here. Mike, and I will probably do it big demo of another big app debut and not a game company and not a game. Well, doing these drugs. Right? Like what do the like? What is in that? I'm really trying to think like, what isn't that express. Like a man, you have adobe their stuff's there. And you've said this is not Photoshop or separate from Photoshop, pick office on the ipad. It's really good. Like I just I just don't know what's in that category. I like to be right the ipad. If Apple's made the, I've had more powerful and Photoshop is they're like, you know what? More stuff. I know what it could be. Like Autodesk said that they're pulling their stuff off the ipad, right? They could be something like that where they're like, actually, this new ipad pro, so amazing and the new pencil. So amazing that we're gonna. We're going to bring value like three d. modeling support or something like three as may have a new up. Pixel may have a you up like they would both count. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I guess we'll see. I just worry about that as a pick what I'm saying, what if apple, but probably say no, right? There's a separate. Apple built app for the ipad. Yeah, that is possible. I keep thinking with an ipad bro that at some point they are going to say, here's final cut pro for ipad, and it's not just I'm movie, or here's logic for pad, and it's the great. That'd be great, but I don't think this is the time, but it could be. Yeah. And around this out, I think if apple does promotion of iphones, it'll just be like ten, our tennis all kind of mix together. Okay. As new iphone season people running on store screaming, like sort of a more generic iphone launch. I don't know if they would call it. The ten are specifically it doesn't need to be like if they mentioned the point, it's true if they just talk about all the iphones and they talk about the tennis and the tenants maximum support from like they go, that's, that's all I care about ladies and gentlemen. You've really laid the groundwork for like a technical win. Yeah, I'm not fully them game here. Yeah, I have a very lily. The letter of the pick and like the intention of the week. Got so many great choices here that we didn't pick because they would be entertaining, but they would threaten the sanctity of the draft. Thankfully, we have one last section. We do gonna talk about few of those, but before we do let me thank final sponsor of this episode that his insta- book insta- is a lightweight SDK that provides one in twenty thousand companies. We've bug and crash reports from uses test is helping them improve app, quantity and iterative foster. Let's say you finish developing your app, you wanna test it. When you distribute, you'll need to deal with tons and tons of feedback which sometimes use won't give you enough data full instable has superintendent tive bug crash reporting solutions. There SDK streamlines bug reporting. When you find a bug, they can shake the phone. 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Fos is offers only valid until the of October. Thanks to insta- bug for this of this show every laugh and all right, Jason. So what else did you have on your kind of shortlist that you. To the you think in might make it into drop. So I have a couple keyboard related things that I didn't choose because I think I already with smart connector. I've really revealed that. I have no idea what apple keyboard strategy is for this thing. I assume there will be one. I have a hard time believing. There will be no smart connector of any kind Apple's going to be like, yeah, that was really great. But we give up on the smart covers like this marquee board, like what we're just not going to do it anymore. Sorry, see later because it's like the defining feature of the ipad bro along with the pencil. Those are the two key things so they have to attach somehow. I think I don't think they're gonna say, well, we're just gonna use bluetooth, don't worry about it. So it would be a real. That would be a real setback. Yeah. I just can't believe that they're going to do it. So I had to that. I kept on my list and I kept looking at them and looking at them on, I just couldn't pick either of them. And one of them is the boring and simple pick, which is a new kind of smart keyboard lot, like the one we've got, but knew the argument there. It's so boring. It's like, hey, these will be slightly different size. And therefore the keyboard will be slightly different. What a pick. Everybody's excited. My one that I really wanted to pick, but I don't think will happen because I wanted so much that I think apple won't give it to me is the how do we we phrase that apple built laptop shell for pad pro includes keyboard, and the idea there is that that you will have it. It'll be a keyboard and a back shell, you pop it on. It uses that new weird connector that we don't know what it's for. And your ipad pro is a laptop when you want it to be like the bridge keyboard that I use a lot of the time. It sort of turns my ipad into a keyboard, but apple designed built in concert with the new ipad pro design so that it that it was always intended to be a part of the product if you wanted it to be, and then you can just pop it off and go about your tablet business. I really want that to happen. I feel like this could be a time where they do that, but I want it too much for me to believe that it's anything but wish casting. So I have like three that REM. I list the overlay to the MAC mini. I don't know why I care about someone. You don't know jet lag. Pro focus. I think we'll be one like who they selling this product too. I think that the old. Market for the MAC mini doesn't exist anymore. I think that that market has been taking. We've laptops talk about hard pick to judge has a pro focus. This is one of the reasons I didn't pick it. It's like, oh, the arguments. It's true. That's all it takes. We wanna keep doing this show. So we. The way that they will. Maybe they'll talk about like who uses the vice, what it should be used for, maybe just the hallway, maybe expensive has more powerful chips than it. You'll like it seems to be out of whack for what the products is like being in the post, which is just plug it into windows setup and you have a MAC now, like, you know, I think that he's going to change from that because I don't think the MAC mini is really a thing that people want in that way anymore. I think people just by laptop so they buy hands. I don't think that that Allwood idea of the MAC mini really exists anymore one that you put in which I do really like, and it would be a shame if they didn't do something like this, that the new mcmanis radically smollet in the old model that that it is close maybe to an apple TV in design than the old MAC minis. That will be really cool and would make this product desirable for many more people. My theory about this because I listen to, especially ATP talks about this and there. Like it doesn't need to get that much smaller. It's not that big a deal, and I agree with him. And yet I feel like for apple to care about the MAC mini apple needs to be proud of the MAC mini, and they need to be proud of how they're using it to redefine something and having to be radically smaller even though, yeah, there are very small PC's Intel's got those little nooks that are just like the size of an apple TV practically, but for apple to go out and boast. Like, look, how much more mini it is. I feel like is would be driving factor potentially. Product and they could make it really small. It doesn't have to be as small as an apple TV, but it could be a lot smaller because the current mini design is really kind of still based on soup. Having a CD slot in it. Yeah. If you take the when they went to the unified design, they had one model that an optical drive and they ditched it, but it's like it's the same footprint and there's definitely room to to ranger and think about what they've done with the MAC book lines since that MAC mini was designed, they can make those got smaller. Absolutely. And the other was that it would have a USPA I feel like that the desktops can. I don't know why, but I feel like that stops can keep USPA whether laptops on when we when we made our run of like port choices. I, I thought about talking about this too, because I, again of two minds of it. I think it's more likely that the new MAC mini has a USB port at the same time if out old designs, many once every five years, do they put a USB port on it and have it hang out there for all that time I would because it's used, it's whole purpose is to be jack-of-all-trades. My Intel has USB and it has three USB ports. And I feel like that's in the spirit of that little little upstart, weird, tiny is you want to have a bunch of different ports on it 'cause you don't even know how people are going to use it, but I was afraid to pick it because it's also apple and they could crush dreams. The most of the most oppressing trip to town can make is for a desktop. Right? So like my, I'm MAC pro, I've got just the right number of spec- things and just right number eight. Things like understand, like Emma different environment and plugging my laptop into a bunch of stuff. I don't love it, but I can deal with it. But if I'm buying Odongo that's going to be on my desk for five years that just really makes me upset somehow deeply inside. And so us be forever. What I'm saying. I'm not actually saying that used to be a little bit longer. That's like a strongest. Sounds good slogan. Just hold on little buddy. Is there anything else you wanted to mention Jason to more than I want to mention really quickly? One of them is this is the one that we were putting this list together earlier today, and I laughed out loud and I said to Mike, this is the pick that will get me booed not again, and then you made a totally different pick that was also Bubel, which is the filling of the holes. It's a choice that I almost made, which is. New laptop has same butterfly keyboard. Going to though will like, hey, everybody really exciting ninety. Nine laptop, it's awesome. It's got are awesome. Butterflies, which is that everybody loves. Go, come and get it. Everyone. People just leave the event. I think it might happen. And then I, I was thinking that this one would probably mean really haunt for the federal scoring because I think that they would probably not talk about it one way or another, like in any let Crete mention the keyboard. Just be like it has has accused. What does that say. Hod right? Because then we might have to do the research afterward and realize, well, actually it is a butterfly keyboard, although it may not be the same, but it's similar and they didn't mention it on stage, but they did mention the keyboard happened with alost macbook pro wet. They basically wouldn't talk about it. Right, and someone kind of found out, but no one's really one hundred percents you think it would be really telling if they launched a brand new laptop and just didn't mention the keyboard. It's got a great keyboard. It's got keys as there is definitely keys on it. It's great. And my other one is in the in the Bourne conspiracy theory category. I mentioned conspiracy theories, okay. I mentioned a, the four k. support for the ipad. I was thinking there might be larger four k. support story here where the ipad pro suppo- supports an extra four k. monitor where the new MAC mini, which doesn't have a monitor because it's a MAC mini supports four k video out and apple. Sorry. MAC pro fans. Apple uses this moment with the release of the MAC mini to release its own four k. retina display is that I think it might happen. I don't think it will happen, but I think it might happen. I think it's possible that it could happen because and wouldn't that be great if John Syracuse was like, well, you got your apple four k. display now by MAC by amac mini. Needs to display and the ipad pro doesn't, but it could use it the loss Owen to dimension because I'm just not sure how I feel about this one is that there may be some addressing of the business week thing. I don't. I don't feel very confident about this. I don't think they're going to mention it, but I also thought it was an interesting at least I wouldn't have picked it, but I thought maybe they won't. Maybe. I also think that it's possible somebody from the Brooklyn academy of musical appear on stage at some point, but I made my one stagecraft pick. Approved on, and I walk out by accident. It's Joe. The sound guy don't get off stage. Oh no, they don't let anybody back there who's not from apple. They don't Brooklyn the Brooklyn. They'll be like up in the balcony is everybody from the Brooklyn kademi music. Hey. Hey. So ladies and gentlemen in new in Chicago and listen as at home, that is the draft that is the full draft that we are going to be submitted. Live with these picks. Now we're gonna spend the next week looking back at this list and going, what were we doing? I knew what I was it was it was lost in the lights. So thank you to everyone for being here. Thanks for get to all guests in a moment. And again, if you wanna play along home as a couple of great ways to do that, they'll be a couple of links in show notes which you can find in your podcast app choice or relates on FM slash upgrades to one six. There'll be a PDF that you can download and scoring and Africa choice. So you can check out the track. School Kant may by sack knocks and you can. 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