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A highlight from A Dame Trade Deep Dive With Ben Thompson, Plus Seth Meyers and Million-Dollar Picks
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We did the big chill. It was very, very exciting. I have Kyle Brandt coming on Monday's podcast. I'm just gonna tell you the movie now because it is gonna be the best moment of your weekend if you spent two hours watching this classic. We're doing Toy Soldiers. It really brings everything possible to the table. So if you wanna watch it ahead of time, there it is. That podcast is going up Monday night. If you wanna hear stuff about the debate, we have Tara Paul and Mary's podcast, Somebody's Gotta Win. That reacted to it as well as the press box with Brian Curtis and David Shoemaker. So there you go. Our debate coverage has been on point. Also, higher learning. Van and Rachel had Larry Elder on this weekend. It made a lot of noise, man. That podcast is great. I hope you check that out as well. Hope you're checking out theringer .com. And on this podcast, gonna talk about the dame trade at the top. We're gonna bring in Ben Thompson from the Techery newsletter, which he's been on this podcast I think four weeks ago. And he's a huge Bucks fan. He's gonna give the Bucks fan side of things. We're gonna do million dollar picks. And then old friend Seth Meyers talking about a whole bunch of stuff. So really good podcast. It's all next. First, our friends from Pro Jam. What's up? All right, I'm taping this on Thursday afternoon. Normally when there's a big MBA trade, I always do the emergency trade reaction right after the podcast. But we just put up a podcast on Tuesday. So I decided to play it a little differently this time. I wanted a little distance, I wanted to listen to stuff, read stuff, and try to form some big picture opinions coming out of this. So I have four smaller ones, then one big one. First one, I thought Portland did an incredible job with this trade. I really liked this trade, especially everyone was trying to bully them in June and July about, oh, you got to take Miami's offer. You just got to. It's where he wants to go. It's the only offer you're going to get. And guess what? They waited. They played it perfectly. They stared Miami down, and they got a much better deal. First of all, they get the Drew Holiday piece that they can flip into a bunch out of their stuff, which we'll talk about in one second. I love the DeAndre Ayton gamble. As you know, on this podcast, I am a big DeAndre Ayton guy. Not in the sense of I'm the biggest fan of his in the world, but I'm a fan of the asset. I just think I love the valued assets, no matter what it is. Whatever market we're talking about, DeAndre Ayton, 18 and 10 for his career, 60 % field goals percentage, 25 years old. He's played in 45 playoff games. He played four rounds in the 2021 finals. Last year, he got his ass kicked by Jokic. Oh, sorry. Like, that never happens. And Phoenix just sold on him, which I can't wait to talk about. But just from a Portland standpoint, they not only get Ayton in whatever they get for holiday, they get the 29 first, they get the two swaps, and they dump Nurkic. Nurkic hasn't had a healthy start to finish all the way through the playoffs here since 2018, which I'm positive was a long time ago. He's basically 12 and 8. He's, you know, a 50 % shooter. I made a list of the top 30 centers. I encourage you to do this at home, because what's more fun than making lists of NBA centers? I can't imagine anything. I made a list of who I thought were the best assets of the center position for talent, contract, everything. He was 29th on my list. The only person I had ahead of him who's technically a starter, unless you start talking about the Detroit or Charlotte guys, was Zubats on the Clippers. I thought he was the 29th best center asset in the league. And Phoenix, you know, just quickly to go to them, they're trying to win this year. They got worse. They turned Ayton's money into Nurkic and Grayson Allen and Nasir Little. Grayson Allen, we already know with him, he can't play in playoff series. We saw him 22. We saw it last year. I heard and read in some places like that, I got two rotation players. Did they? Is Nurkic a playoff rotation player? Is Grayson Allen a playoff rotation player? Because I'm positive he's not. So for the same money that they were spending on Ayton, they got three guys that I don't think are going to help them. In 25, the money comes down a little bit to 23 million just for Nurkic and Little, which is 7 million less than Ayton. And then in 26, that money goes up to 25 .5. But I don't understand what Phoenix was doing. Why not wait to see if Ayton clicks with Vogel? Vogel has such a good history with centers. He rejuvenated Dwight Howard on the 2020 Lakers. He basically created Roy Hibbert's career in 2013 with the defense verticality thing. I thought he was going to do a good job with Ayton. I'm stunned that they gave up on him. I'm almost waiting for one of those, now they tell us stories when, you know, that's where Brian Curtis calls them, where like a week after something happens, there's this kind of notebook dump where it's like, here's seven terrible DeAndre Ayton stories. So maybe that'll happen. But for Phoenix just to be like, cool, we locked this down, man. We got Nurkic. You're trying to win the title. You have KD and Booker and Beal. And like, what are you guys doing? Anyway, from Portland's standpoint, I love the Ayton thing. I love that they didn't get bullied. And I know they're going to turn Drew Holliday into something. So this to me was at least an A minus for them, for where they were two months ago, where Dave's like, I want to go to Miami. That's it. And if you don't trade me there, that's kind of fucked up. And they made this work as it got reported that, uh, I think in the athletic, that he expanded his list to Brooklyn and to Milwaukee in the last two weeks. And that's what Portland was waiting on. You know, they were banking on the fact that he's a competitive dude. He's one of the best 75 pairs ever. He wanted a situation settled. So, you know, you wait, you wait, you wait, they expand the list and then you go. Uh, there's a Drew Holliday piece to this. That's awesome. He becomes a contender prize. I wouldn't call this a Drew Holliday sweepstakes. I reserved sweepstakes for the superstars, but it's a mini sweepstakes. This is somebody that could have a huge impact on the playoff race. You know, not only the usual suspects, everybody's talking about Boston, ironically, Miami is a really good fit for him. And in some ways, um, I'm a little more scared of them with Miami than Dame in some ways, especially at a much cheaper contract with giving up less and keeping some of their assets. Philly, if they could pull it off, they have to be in there in Golden State, Minnesota. I think I have to mention Sacramento, I think is a team that if they could figure out how to get Drew without giving up their core, which is basically Keegan Murray and Sabonis and Fox, like that's, you know, could Davion Mitchell be in that trade with some, with a salary and some picks, who knows. The team that I love for Drew Holliday is OKC. I have OKC, you know, I started doing my MBA research for the over -under spot and I haven't landed on a number for them yet, but to me, they feel like a high forties team with Chet and with the growth of their young guys. And if you just like, let's say they traded Lou Dort and a bunch of their picks, maybe two firsts and two of their lesser picks or three firsts and a second, whatever it is. And they just say, fuck it. And they get Drew and you put him with Giddy and SGA and Jalen fucking awesome Williams and Chet Holmgren and all these other dudes they have, that might be a top three team in the West. I mean, that, that's starting to give me some early 2010s OKC vibes. So where he goes is going to be important. I just feel like there was so much Drew Holliday slander the last couple of days. You know, he's one of my favorite players. Even Haralabob, who was the chairman of the board of the Drew Holliday fan club for years and would have the benefit dinners there and, you know, just did a lot of yeoman's work on that front. And even he was like, yeah, yeah, Dame's better than Drew. That trade makes sense for Milwaukee. I was hurt, Haralabob. I was 100 % hurt by that. But you know, Drew got his ass kicked by Jimmy Butler in the playoffs last year. I get it. It happens. Jimmy was unbelievable. I feel like he would have kicked anybody's ass. By the way, why is Drew Holliday guarding Jimmy Butler? That speaks more to some of the issues with Milwaukee. He was never supposed to be a point guard and a creator. I think he was always better as an off -the -ball guy. We saw that with Rondo and New Orleans and just in general. I want to see him with a point guard. I want to see him just being unleashed, not having the ball a lot, just worrying about hitting threes, being an occasional, you know, make -shit -happen guy and being like the third or fourth best guy on a team without having the offensive responsibility to have. All their half court issues got blamed on him for the last couple of years. And I get it. They weren't like an awesome half -court team, even the other one in the finals, but I really value that dude. I had him, even I did the trade value list in August and I had him 37th and I had Dame 23rd. I think he's one of the best 30 players in the league still. He's 33 years old, which, you know, I'm going to talk in a second about when guards hit their mid -30s, but just in general, I think he's a real asset. If he goes to a team like the Celtics and they can keep Derek White and Tatum and Brown in the center, it's like, look out, man. So little mini sweepstakes, rarely do we get the trade, but then we still get another asset to talk about. Thank you for everyone involved in the trade. And then the fourth small point is just that, you know, not rocket science, Milwaukee bought some Giannis time here. They have one of the best 20 players of all time. They were staring down the barrel of a situation that was not good. I was talking about it on this podcast in late June and early July. I thought he was going to put them on the clock. I thought Mark Lasry selling his stake was a really bad sign for all of this because that dude is smart. As I laid out in June, that guy is really smart. And if he's feeling like, you know what, it's time for me to sell my buck stock, that makes me nervous. And then all the stuff that Giannis said and did, which I thought he did really fairly and really smartly. And I think that dude's about titles and that's it. And I know we say that about players, but I think in his case, I don't think he cares about, you know, what's my legacy, how do I compare against Dirk DeWhisky, any of that stuff. I just think he wants more rings. I mean, think about the guys who have won two rings out of the best 35 guys on my list of my pyramid. Those are all guys in my top 35 that won multiple wings. You go to the one -ring side, Jerry West, Oscar, Moses, Dirk, Jokic, Giannis, Pettit, Garnett, Kawhi, Rick Barry. That's the list he's on now. I certainly don't think he's looking at that list going, I got to get away from these guys, but it's a slightly different list. I think when you win multiple rings in multiple situations, it elevates you in a certain way. I think he fundamentally understands that at least a little bit. I want to be the best player since LeBron James. I think that's a thing that he wants. How am I going to do that? I need more rings. I need more finals trips. He knew from last year and maybe even the Boston series that they just weren't good enough. Whether this trade is going to be the thing that propels them, we'll find out, but he's been in the league 10 years, two MVPs, five first teams, two second teams, and now we have this little two -year window. Kawhi and the Raptors was a one -year window. This is a two -year window, I feel like. With Giannis, he's got two years left in his deals. So does Lopez. Middleton has two in a player option. Dame's got two, and then this crazy $120 million player option extension thingy that he has that just keeps going and going. It's probably two years. There's a world where this could go terribly this season, at least for what the expectations are, and then maybe it becomes Kawhi, Raptors. Maybe Giannis is like, you know what? That didn't work. Trade me. And the Bucks, who have no picks left and no future, they look at it next summer, and they go, all right. We tried it. Giannis, what can we get for you? Dame, what can we get? And they just do a reboot, rehaul. Remember, they won in 2021, which just takes so much pressure out of this. It's so much different than the Clippers situation, where they went all in on Kawhi and Paul George. They give up all those picks and SGA, and they've gotten nothing out of it. They haven't even made the finals. So it's got to happen. I think they at least probably have to make the finals. If they get bounced in round two, do I think Giannis is going to stay because they made this Dame -Mower trade? Probably not. So that leads to the big question, is how good of a trade was this? So there's a big picture angle on Dame, and it's going to sound negative, but I really don't want it to sound negative because I think Dame, I voted for him for NBA Top 75. I think he's been one of the best guards in the last 15 years. I think there's a ton of great things you can say, and there's a chance that he goes to Milwaukee, and this thing is fucking awesome. I know any Celtic fan I've talked to, including Isaiah, who's helping produce this podcast today, the Giannis -Dame pick and roll is just terrifying. Other than Jokic and Murray, it's going to be the single most unstoppable offensive play in the league. It is. We are conceding that point. The spot Dame is in right now, big picture -wise, it's weird. He's a superstar, but he's not, and we've seen guys like this before. I judge superstars by, do you have the resume statistically, and is your team succeeding consistently at a certain level? You can't totally say that about Dame. He's never been on a 55 -win team. He's missed the playoffs completely four times in 11 years. He said three first -round exits. He made the Final Four once in 2019, which was really lucky because Golden State and Houston were the two best teams, and then they got smoked. He's never been on a true contender ever. Instinctively, you go, well, that's not his fault. Who's he played with? Well, he played with LaMarcus Aldridge and CJ McCollum and a couple other guys, but not really anybody. The reason I'm putting this up is there's a success element that he has not had yet that for somebody with his resume is actually kind of unusual. I went and I looked up how many guards in the history of the league averaged 22 points a game for their career and played at least 700 games. I thought the list would be like 20. I didn't know. I didn't know what I was walking into. Only I think 75 guys have averaged 22 a game. So I went and I looked up the list, and it was 10 guys, 700 games, 22 a game for their career. There were some guys who came close like David Thompson, who I think is one of the best guards I've seen in the last 45 years, but had a short career and had some drug issues. He didn't make it. He didn't play enough games. Pete Maravich, 24 .2 points a game, but he didn't play enough games. Kyrie hasn't played enough games yet. Bradley Beale is five games away. I'm actually kind of glad the cutoff's at 700 so we don't have to talk about him. And then Mitchell and Trey Young aren't there yet. There's only 10 guys that made it, and the 10 guys are all fucking awesome. And again, I mentioned this in the context of Dame, who we think he is versus the success he's had. So the 10 guys, Michael Jordan, 30 .1, Jerry West, 27 .1, Allen Averson, 26 .7, George Gervin, 26 .2, Oscar Robertson, 25 .7, Kobe, 25 .0, Harden, 24 .7, Curry, 24 .6, Wade, 22, barely made it, and Russ, 22 .4, and then Dame is at 25 again. All right, what does he not have that those other guys have? Well, MJ, don't need to talk about him. Don't need to talk about Jerry West, who's the freaking logo. Allen Averson, pretty good comparison, right? Big stats, really memorable player, but not a ton of success. Here's the difference. Averson made the finals once. He won an MVP. Dame has done neither of those things. George Gervin was the best scoring guard of the 70s. He made two final fours. He had some bad luck. He really, in 79, really should have came close. And some of it's on him, right? He could have come through. Bobby Dandridge is the one that ended up coming through for the Bullets. They lose. But two final fours, he had four top five MVP finishes, five first teams, four second teams. He was just unassailably the best guard in the league until MJ. Oscar Robertson, don't need to go through him, but he won a ring and an MVP. Kobe, five rings and an MVP. Eleven first teams for Kobe, by the way. James Harden, three final fours, an MVP, six top five MVP finishes, six first team MBAs. And even though Harden has never made the finals as the best guy, he made it with OKC as the sixth man, you could build a contender around Harden. We saw it. We haven't really seen it with Dame. I think that's a fair thing to bring up. Curry, four rings, two MVPs, you know, the Curry thing. Dwayne Wade, three rings, two top five MVPs, two first teams, three second teams. He's more in the Dame waters a little bit, but he had the 2006 finals and he was the second best guy with LeBron on those heat teams. And then Westbrook, who you would say, well, Dame had a better career than Westbrook. Did he? Westbrook made the finals in 2012. He was second best guy on that team. Almost made the finals in 2016. He won an MVP. He had two first teams and five second teams. It's at least like a real argument. And I think when you look at Dame, he only had that one 2019 round three, got bounced. He's only had one top five MVP finish. He's only had one first team MBA and four second team MBAs. Really, really good top 75 career. But the piece that's missing is, have you been on a really good team? Have you made a real run at it? Which is why, you know, I think this Milwaukee trade is so much fun. This is his real chance. I get nervous about a couple things with this trade. One is that, you know, if you look at the 33 and older guards who average 22 points a game in a season. Jordan did it twice. Curry did it twice. Still going. Kobe did it three times. Jerry West twice. Sam Jones once. Hal Greer once. That's the entire list. Now the NBA is different. We have more three -pointers now. It's easier to score. Scoring is the easiest it's ever been. Guys can play at a longer age. So I'm not ruling out Dane being good for the next three years. But just pointing out, history is saying, be a little nervous. In general with guards, like Chris Paul, we saw from age 35 to 36 to 37, like it just dropped. But that's two years older than Dane. Maybe it's fine. I just worry about guards. We have not a lot of instances with guards in their mid -30s of them either peaking as players or being able to sustain whatever success they had during their prime. It always starts to go down with really no exceptions, except for Steph Curry. He's the only non -exception. So if your case is Dane's as good as Steph Curry, or Dane can be as potent as Steph Curry on a winning team, like, you know, Steph Curry is better than Dane, but I'm not going to argue that he couldn't do a lot of the stuff that Curry did in Golden State. The bigger issue for me, the age I'm definitely worried about. Dane has not been healthy the last couple of years, and we have not seen him play nine straight months at playoff basketball with a big bullseye on his back. Everybody coming after you, you're the best team. We haven't seen him do that ever, much less than the last couple of seasons. So can he stay up? Can he stay healthy? That's one thing. The defense with Dane just got kind of swept under the rug the last couple days, and I don't really understand it because there's five categories of defensive player I feel like. There's excellent, there's good, there's average, there's not so good, and then there's bad. And I think Dane's a bad defender. I think the stats back it up. Like, his defensive rating last year was 245 out of the guards. He's the 245th guard for defensive rating. You know, 117 .4 individual defensive rating is 483 overall. Portland's team's always defensively, it was the Achilles heel for them. Partly because of Dane, because he couldn't guard anybody. He's too small. And, you know, think about what we saw from the playoffs the last couple years. I think about the 2020 bubble Celtics playoffs, not infrequently, because I think that team had a chance to potentially win a title. What happened? Everyone hunted Kemba Walker. It was hunting season. It's like, where is he? Got to get a switch. Got to get Kemba Walker guarding somebody who's bigger, or got to beat him off the dribble, and it just became a hunt session with him. And basically, he got played out of the league. He's not in the league anymore. You know, we had this with Isaiah Thomas, too, in the mid -2010s. I think it's been an issue with Kyrie Irving. The Celtics certainly went at him in the playoff series with Brooklyn a couple years ago. Curry, you saw, who I think is a better defender than people give him credit for, but the And he's a much better defender than Dame is. Jordan Poole is somebody that got hunted in playoff series recently. Chris Paul, obviously, is a big one. Jalen Brunson, remember what the Heat did to him? Mitchell, when he was on Utah, this was a huge issue. And then Trae Young, obviously. My fear with Dame is he's a DH, and I think in Portland, part of the reasons he was able to put up the stats he did was because he wasn't playing defense, right? It was just, how many points can I score? My team isn't very good, and I'm just going to do my thing. He's an incredible offensive player. But how much of a trade -off is the defense, right? Well, you think, all right, well, Milwaukee, they're really good defensively. They'll be able to protect him. Here's the team. Giannis, Dame, Lopez, Portis, Middleton, Conaton, Beauchamp, Crowder. Who's guarding Trae Young on this team? Who's guarding Jason Tatum? Here's a partial list of guys that I don't think this team will be able to guard this season. Devin Booker, Tatum, Butler, Trae Young, Kyrie, Curry. Who's going to be chasing Curry around the screens? Dame lowered? Good luck. SGA, Luca, Mitchell, Murray, Edwards, Brunson, Ja, Garland, Fox, Halburn. Are they going to be able to cover Derek White? I don't know. The way this team is constructed, they are not going to have the ability to guard other guards at all, which means they're just going to have to be in a shooting match with them, right? It's going to be not much different than what's going to happen with Phoenix, where they're just literally going to have to outscore the other team. I've just watched too much playoff basketball over the last couple years, where it's like, if you have that weak link on defense, and you're playing a team that's smart enough, they're going to go after that weak link. Like, think about them against the Lakers, right? The Lakers figure their crunch time. Let's say they make the finals. It's Milwaukee and the Lakers, and Lakers crunch time. They're going to have LeBron and Davis and Austin Reeves and, I don't know, a shooter and a point guard, whatever. All they're going to be doing is trying to find where Dame is on the court and going after him. What about when they play Boston? Boston puts out White and Brogdon and Tatum and Brown and a center, and all they're going to be doing is trying to make sure Dame is covering somebody who has the ball who's now torturing him. I think it's a real problem for them. And what's funny is they gave up Drew's defense and, you know, they, what they gave up on defense, which is significant, and they gained an offense, it might end up just being a wash and they might just be a different version of the same team where they still have a huge flaw. It's just on the other end of the court. I'm just shocked that nobody brought up the defense. I agree he's an amazing offensive player and what's cool about this trade and what I'm excited about as a basketball fan is, can he go up a level? Right? A lot of these stats he put up, especially the last couple years. They didn't mean anything. They were, he was on bad teams. Like, who cares? Ultimately, Bradley Beal scored 30 points a game on the Wizards. Who cares? I think most really good offensive players, if they're on a bad team, can get between 25 and 30 a night. Can you do it nine months in a row? Can you do it when you're getting hunted on defense all over the place? How much can Milwaukee protect him? And what does he have in the tank at age 33 with 900 plus games on the O 'Dominor already? I'm still afraid of the Bucks, but people have, like, FanDuel had them as best odds in basketball and I think most people feel like they're the favorite now. I don't feel like there's a favorite. I think you can go through every team. Boston, I could, I'm scared of Porzingis. What's going to happen with Jalen Brown out there? He has contracts. Can Peyton Pritchard, all these different things. Philly, God only knows. Miami, they're unquestionably worse. Yeah, Milwaukee is going to be really good, but depending where Holiday lands and how this all plays out, I just think it's still wide open. And the other piece, so if you're just talking Boston, Miami, Tatum kills Milwaukee. I have no idea why. Boston is kind of built to at least stay with Dame and, you know, Derek White is about as good of a person you're going to have to try to keep Dame in check, at least. And Boston's done a really good job of guarding Giannis over the years. They don't have Grant Williams this year, but I just don't think, I think there's as many ways this goes wrong as it goes right, I guess would be my final thought on this because for what they gave up, especially with that 29 unprotected and the two swaps and, you know, they are all in on this team. And you know my theory, when you go all in on a team, you better think you can win. Not positive, but it's an awesome trade. It really is. It makes the league so much more fun. Dame and Giannis together. I'm going to enjoy watching Portland. I still have my eating stock. Watching Phoenix fans slowly realize that Derkiszna isn't the answer is going to be fun and then we'll see where Drew Holliday goes. So really fun trade. We're going to talk about it a little bit more with Die Hard Bucks fan, Ben Thompson in one second. Let's take a break.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
A highlight from Part 1: USAs World Cup Collapse, Basebrawls, Jets Optimism, Life in The G-League and The OC 20 Years Later | with Gabe York and Zoe Simmons
"Coming up, an unexpected two -part podcast cameo from me. It's next. We're also brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where we turned over Sean Fennesey and Amanda Dobbins' big picture feed to Brian Raftery. It's a narrative podcast called, Do We Get to Win This Time? How Hollywood Made the Vietnam War. You can find it on the big picture starting on Tuesday. And it is an idea I'm really excited about because it came from a class that I did as a senior in college in 1992. Me and my friend Horgs talked a movies professor into doing a special Vietnam War movies class where we watched basically every Vietnam War movie that had been made up to 1992 and then tried to write a big picture term paper about it. And the thing that was really fascinating about that class and something that stuck with me was just that whole concept of Hollywood reinventing the entire Vietnam experience under the premise of, Did We Get to Win This Time? So we got Brian involved and he turned the idea into an awesome, awesome podcast. I even went and dug up the term paper that I wrote 31 years ago. I thought it was gonna be horrendous. It wasn't bad. I was kind of proud of myself, retroactively 31 years later. Anyway, Do We Get to Win This Time? How Hollywood Made the Vietnam War. It is gonna be in the big picture podcast starting on Tuesday. So that's one piece of business. Second, new rewatchables on Monday night. It is the 300th movie that we've done. It's a special one. We're doing National Lampoon's Vacation. It was time. Meet Chris Ryan, Van Lathan. Yeah, and Van was pushing for it because we wanted to do Christmas Vacation during the holidays and you can't do Christmas Vacation. If we do National Lampoon's Vacation, super fun. Can't wait for you to listen to it. And we'll be running the video at some point on the YouTube channel, youtube .com slash Bill Simmons, where we put up a whole bunch of rewatchables podcasts in case you missed it. Boogie Nights is up there now. Goodfellas, Independence Day, just a slew of them. So if you're bored and you wanna throw on some rewatchables and watch us make fun of each other, there you go. Last but not least, I don't wanna say this is the most important, but it's certainly the thing I spent the most time on. Our documentary that we did about the G League with Religion of Sports and Ringer Films, we combined, and it is premiering on Tuesday, August 8th. It is called Destination NBA, A G League Odyssey. It's really good. We immersed ourselves into the G League season. We followed Scoot Henderson, Gabe York, Ryan Terrell, Mason Jones, and Denzel Valentine. And the big question was, what is this world like? What's it like to be in the G League? And I am really proud of where we landed with it. And we even have, much later in this podcast, Gabe York is gonna come on. He's one of the five that we followed, and he's gonna tell us what it's like as you're holding on to your dream in your late 20s. We try not to spoil the doc too much with Gabe, but I really liked him. He's probably the guy that jumps out of the doc in the most sympathetic way. So look forward for you to watch it. It is prime video, Tuesday, August 8th, Destination NBA. A G League Odyssey. You love basketball, just watch it, it's good. So there you go. This is gonna be part one of a two -part podcast. Gabe is coming up later. My daughter Zoe Simmons is coming up later because we did a whole bunch of OC stuff on the Prestige TV podcast. I was even on two of the episodes. But I ended up watching season one of the OC. And my daughter was watching with us and loved the show. And she was born a year and a half after it premiered. So me and her broke down season one from the perspective of what is it like when somebody 18 watches the OC, a show that is now two decades old. The anniversary was actually August 6th. And what she liked, what she didn't like, what people aren't doing anymore for her kind of audience. And we just dove into it. So that is much later. First, coming out of the gate, I'm gonna open a six -pack because we have a lot to discuss over the past three weeks, all the stuff I missed. So that's gonna be part one. And then part two, which is gonna go up later on Sunday night, me and Rossello doing this evergreen idea that we've always wanted to do. And this seemed like the perfect time because nothing's happening in basketball. So that's gonna be part two later tonight. Part one coming up. First, our friends from ProJax. What's up? All right, I'm taping this. It is Sunday afternoon Pacific time. And I'm gonna open a six -pack. There's a bunch of stories in sports and culture that happened over the last three weeks. I was just writing stuff down, things that would have been fun for podcast segments. I was just like, man, I wish I could have given my thoughts on that. Just gonna rip through them. So I have six and then maybe a couple bonus ones at the end. The first one, the biggest one, was the US women's soccer team, which lost today in penalty kicks to Sweden, scored zero goals in the last two games, scored one goal in the last three games, and that was off a corner kick. You could feel from the beginning that something was off with this team. It was all the ways. You knew in a checklist of what are the red flags? There were just red flags galore. And the only person who was really calling it out in time over and over again was Carli Lloyd, who was doing the Fox studio show. And she was the one person in the horror movie who knows the house is haunted. And everyone's like, shut up. You're not being patriotic. You just wish you were still on the team. She was right. She was right from the get -go. This team, you could see it before the Vietnam game when it was like, look at the new Nike suits. Look at these new suits. And they're all like styling as they head into the locker room. And they're running commercials. And every player has a commercial. There's players who've never done anything of that commercials. And the vibe was just off. They only beat Vietnam three -nothing in a bracket where goal differential was gonna be super -duper important. And that was a huge red flag. And we did the usual thing that we've been doing since 2019, 2015 of, oh, well, they almost scored a bunch of times. Oh, well, if that had gone in or some bad luck. There was just an arrogance to this team. Like they were carrying themselves like the defending champs, the same way like the Denver Nuggets would go into next NBA season. Like we're the champs. I was like, yeah, you are the champs because the season just happened. The World Cup happened four years ago. Everyone's four years older or wasn't on the team. And you could see they wanted to build the team instead of around the identity of, here are these new up and coming awesome stars that are gonna be in your life. They were really latching on to Alex Morgan and Megan Rapinoe. Alex Morgan's 34, Megan Rapinoe's 37. I think one of the differences between the discourse with women's sports and men's sports is that in men's sports, we grasp for angles. And if somebody is disappointing in some way, we really go nuts. Like think of how James Harden's been treated over the last 12 years. So he's one of the 35 best players ever and has taken just an incredible amount of shit. Oh my God, the playoffs, look at his game log. Oh, he choked again. Alex Morgan, who scored twice in her first two games in the World Cup in 2011, she scored once in 2015 in seven games. She scored six times in 2019, five against Thailand in a game that was 13 to nothing, one in the other six, and then scored nothing in the four games this time around. If you take away that Thailand game, she has scored two goals in the last 17 World Cup games. This is the striker. This is the one who's supposed to be the most dangerous player in the field, who's supposed to produce goals. And she hasn't produced goals since the mid 2010s on the national level. And yet it's Alex Morgan. She was supposed to be the next one. We got to keep propping her up and pretending she's a superstar. She's not a superstar. She's really honestly never been a superstar. She certainly hasn't been as impactful as somebody like Abby Wambach was. So you have the team built around her. She's got to play. They play her the entire game, game two, the entire game, game three. She plays like 95 minutes in this game today, and they don't score goals. And the announcers just won't talk about it. It's like being on an AYSO team that your kid's on, and the coach is playing somebody at striker, and everyone's like, why don't they play Sally at striker instead of the coach's daughter? It's like, oh, you know, the coach's daughter. She's got to play there. So you have that, and then you have Rapinoe, who's 37 years old, who's just, unfortunately, great career, legendary, true legend, huge big time player. And when you hit your late 30s in soccer, it's a wrap. She looked like Yudana Rapinoe, not big Rapinoe, and comes out for the last 25 minutes of this game and can't do anything, and then misses the penalty kick. That's the thing. If you're beholden to past performance, you can't expect to succeed in the moment. And I did feel like, what were this team's strengths? Speed. They had Sophia Smith, who really was bad the last three games on the left wing. Like, she just, she couldn't even connect passes. Trinity Rodman, who's a beast. Lynn Williams, who's super fast and athletic and had some really nice moments the last two games. And then Alyssa Thompson, who's the prodigy, who's the, you know, potential tiger or LeBron of this team. 18 years old, best high school player I've ever had. They won't even throw her out there. But this was not a team that could connect passes. They weren't, like, especially creative. The coaching was just bizarre, and we'll never see that guy again. But it was like, the one thing they did have was speed, especially the forwards, and they just threw that away. And Alex, you know, couldn't do anything. So now they're out. It's the most disappointing finish of the last 25 years for the women's team. And it reminds me in a lot of ways that 2004 Olympic basketball team that we had, the USA team. And I tweeted this, I think after the second game, because that was a team that was between eras, like this one was, where all the best players on that 2014, the ones in their primes, weren't that good, except for Duncan. And Duncan was completely banged up. He'd played so many NBA games the last couple of years. I think his knee was hurt. But, you know, it was Iverson and Marbury. The talent, it just was a between eras. And you had guys on the bench, like LeBron and Carmelo and Wade, who were four years away. Kobe wasn't on the team. And it just felt generationally, like we caught that team in the wrong time. The style was wrong. And we learned all these lessons and we moved on. 2008, we win. There's a documentary about it. But this team felt like it was between eras. The Alex Morgan, Rapinoe era, which was basically done. And then you have this era coming up with Rodman and Sophia Smith and Alyssa. And, you know, it's just four years from now, we'll probably be fine. But they need to re -imagine this. And I think if you're gonna learn any lesson from this, it doesn't matter what happened four years ago. It's the World Cup. It matters what's happening now. So that's one thing. Second thing. So Jaylen Brown gets this huge contract, $304 million. Some people seem surprised that it was that much money. Chris Ryan even took a shot at it when we did our library watchables. Hurt my feelings a tiny bit. Mainly because I didn't really have a comeback. Rosella did something on his podcast about how this actually makes sense. This amount of money, when you think of how the salary cap has climbed just since 2015, and it's gonna keep climbing. And there's this world you can go into where you think about just how much everything is gonna cost in the NBA four or five years from now, that Jaylen Brown at $70 million isn't actually gonna be that intimidating. The same way we feel about Tobias Harris for $40 million now, or Klay Thompson, $40 million now. Yeah, you don't really wanna pay $40 million for Klay Thompson, but you can survive it. And I think that's gonna be where the Celtics land with Jaylen. Here's why they had to do it. They're the favorites on FanDuel right now. They're plus 470. The thing that made them the most special and has made them the most special for the last five, six years is the Jaylen Brown -Jason Tatum combo. They've been incredibly successful. The team itself has made five conference finals in the last seven years. They came super close to making the finals last year. I have now gone into the what if zone with that Celtics team where what if Tatum doesn't hurt his ankle on the first play? Do we beat Miami? They were close is the point. And when you're that close, you can't fuck around. This is not Bradley Beal resigning with Washington for 50 million a year when everybody knows you can't get past the eight seed with Bradley Beal. This is different. You're trying to win a title. You're trying to keep all your optionality open. The thing that's a little scary about it, nobody seems to totally know if he wants to be in Boston. This is something we've discussed on this pod. It's been floating out there. The fact that he wasn't happy about landing in the Kevin Durant trade rumors a couple years ago. And just in general, where the league is now, where as Woj called it, the transfer portal, where people get their contract first and then they decide what they want to do. And I think for the Celtics, they know they bought themselves a year with Jalen and they are still one of the favorites to win the title. And a lot of it's going to depend on health and Porzingis. You could also, I don't want to make the case, but you might be able to make the case that Brown had a fucked up hand last year. Cause he did. Cause he sliced his hand open. It was bleeding even during the Philly series. And maybe that was why his ball handling went sideways. Listen, you got to do the contract. It just breaks your brain. I remember a million years ago, Sports Illustrated and Inside Sports say every year they would have like a salary issue. And they would talk about these guys are making $1 million a year. And it seemed like so much money. And now where we're heading with the money, plus the NBA is the meteorites deal. The moment any of these guys becomes unhappy, what do you do? Because you're paying Jalen, let's say you're paying him 55 million a year. Plus he is the trade kicker, which the team has to pay. Right? So if he decides after a year, you know what? I'm tired of being the scapegoat. Everybody loves Jason. I'm like the middle brother of this team. I want my own team. I want to go to Houston or Atlanta. You got to trade me. What are the Celtics going to do? On top of who would want out, you don't have a lot of options and you turn into what the situation Portland's in with Deem. And then on top of it, it's so much money. It's impossible to get any sort of a fair trade for the guy. So they had to do it. And optionality the that comes out of it is frightening. I remember in the early 2000s, when the first time the contracts kind of went nuts and you would see that people get signing like six -year, $100 million deals, seven -year, $110 million deals. And the Celtics really, really stupidly traded for Vin Baker. One of the worst trades of the last 30 years for Boston Sports. A trade so bad, you knew it instantaneously. And I wrote a piece that you can probably find somewhere in the ESPN archives about it, where I compared it to the end of Thelma Louise when Harvey Keitel is running toward the cliff trying to stop the car from going off the cliff. That's how I thought about the Vin Baker trade when it happened. Then it happens and you just had this salary albatross. It's a salary cap league. And you're like, wow, we just threw away 20 % of our salary cap on this trade. There's going to be a couple of those that are just franchise killers. And whether that leads to them bringing back the amnesty clause, who knows? I wish, I've made this, I've had this idea before. I wish that they had a rule in there that if you drafted a guy, every year that he stays in the team, you get rewarded in some way from a salary cap luxury tax type thing, right? So Jaylen was 2016 draft, this would be his eighth year. Maybe like after the seventh year, because that's usually like the third contract. The guy stays in the team, maybe each year after that, he doesn't count for 2 % of the luxury tax, up to like 30%, something like that. The point is the Warriors should be rewarded for keeping Draymond and Klay and Curry from a tax standpoint, that they were that smart to draft those guys, keep those guys together. They should be incentivized, the players, to want to stay with them because there's some luxury tax stuff that the team gets. And the team should want to be incentivized to take care of those guys because it's also beneficial to them. I just wish they figured out some version of that rule. Anyway, Jaylen was always signing for $304 million. Talk to me in a year, I'll keep my fingers crossed. Next thing, I missed the running back pity party. This was crazy. The running backs all got together and they were really upset about how much money they made. And I don't know what to tell you. There's too many running backs and not enough running back spots. And I don't know if you're trying to build a responsible salary cap team in a collectively bargained era, why would you spend $30 million over two years on a running back unless the running back was awesome? Nobody even wants to spend more than $11 million on running back. So I knew that this was crazy when Damien Harris, who was on the Patriots, who I thought was really good. He's maybe not an elite running back, but a good running back, right? Somebody that if he had been on the Chiefs, he easily could have started for the Chiefs. And he signed with the Bills for like one year, 2 million. And when that happened, combined with Pacheco on the Chiefs' seventh round pick, they won the Super Bowl with him. It's just, this position's devalued. I work on this player, I've been actually working on it the last couple of weeks where I try to rank the players for blue chippers, red chippers, pink chippers, honorable mention, and have this whole point system. And so quarterbacks, Mahomes, who's the alpha of that position, he's worth 10 points. And you could even see this in the point spread. If Mahomes gets hurt, the Chiefs are 10 points, nine points, whatever, less than what they would be as a favorite. They'd switch to an underdog. And you go on down the line. Jalen Hurts, I had him as an eight. I had Joe Burrow as a nine. And you go on, you keep going down, and it's like, Geno Smith's probably a two. But then you look at some of the other positions and you have to value them the same way the salary cap values them and teams value them. Guards, they aren't worth that much. Running backs, sorry, they're not worth that much. My top running back was three points because ultimately running backs don't really matter that much. In the last like five, six years, I would say Derrick Henry was the only running back that you could definitively say, this guy almost won the Super Bowl. Like he was that good. Other than that, you know, it's plug and play, quarterbacks, it's receivers. It's much harder to find the number one receiver. Every team needs one. It's much more tangible if you don't have the number one receiver. And it's much easier to just kind of scrap together the running back position. And yet people went nuts about this. We ironically had this in the NBA with centers. You know, Vucevic, who's a really good offensive player, he signed for 60 million for three years, 20 million a year. And Jaylen Brown's going to make $52 million a year. Is Jaylen Brown two and a half times better than Vucevic? No, it's just, he plays a way more important position. You can only play one center at a time. You can patch together the center position. You could have like Isaiah Hartenstein for $8 million. You could, you know, get Robert Williams for 16. You don't need to spend what Phoenix did on Eaton where they're paying $8 and $30 million a year at center. And you don't really need to do that. You kind of feel obligated if you don't want to lose the asset. But I think the NBA is going to go this way eventually where unless it is Jokic or Embiid, the center or Bam Adebayo, it's a bonus. You could argue that was already an overpay. They gave him a huge extension. The Lakers just gave Anthony Davis $60 million a year as an extension. I would argue that's a little frightening. I feel like you could patch together the center position. What really matters in basketball is having the creator. And this was the argument five years ago with Luka versus Eaton for the number one pick. And I made this argument. It was like, go look at who wins the NBA title every year. It's always the people who have the creator. There's somebody who's on the perimeter of the ball in their hands. Even Jokic, who wins the title this year, he was a creator. He's not a typical center, right? He's basically their point guard on offense who could post up. So this happened in the NBA. Nobody went nuts. And this is happening in football. And is this where football is. If you want to make the most amount of money playing in the NFL, I don't know why you would be a running back. I would be a cornerback. I would be a wide receiver. I'd be an edge rusher. But if you're a running back, you know your shelf life's probably like five, six years. You know the money is not totally gonna be there. Now they're in this, like you have people like JK Dobbins, like, I might hold out. It's like, really? You didn't barely even play in the field. Barkley said he was gonna hold out. And then, you know, probably looked at it. And the money for Barkley is like 10, 11 million. That's unfortunately the market. So you can't fix this. They collectively bargained it. And until we get to the next CBA, I don't know how you fix it. I thought it was really weird. It felt like people had nothing to talk about. And it was like, ah, let's feel bad for running backs. All right, let's take a break. And then I'm gonna finish the rest of the six pack. All right, picking up on the six pack. We're gonna talk a little more football. I talked about the running back pity party. This is a different kind of party. The Jets optimism, which has just been stunning to me over the course of July. I have Jets fans in my life. These are people that usually have no hope and are very reminiscent of the pre -2004 Red Sox fans, just assuming the worst at all times. Why does God hate us? All that stuff. And now they have this crazy optimism based on the fact that they brought in Aaron Rodgers, who I did not think was very good last year, just throwing that out there. I wouldn't say he was bad, but for Rodgers, he was bad. I mean, we thought Rodgers was, he was the reigning MVP and we thought he was still one of the five or six most impactful players in the league. And I don't wanna read stats to you for the next six minutes, but deep balls, he was bad. Turnovers, he was bad. Leadership, he was bad. And the case for Rodgers coming back would be, well, he's gonna be rejuvenated. The Jets, New York City. This is his team. He got away from Green Bay. He's got Hackett back. I get it, but he's also at an age where we've really only seen Tom Brady succeed at a high, high level at the age that Rodgers is at. I was trying to figure it out. I have my QB ratings and I had, you know, the top tier is Mahomes and Burrow and Allen and Herbert and Hertz. Those have to be the top five. Then it drops off and it's Lamar Jackson and Lawrence. And then Rodgers, probably a hair underneath him with a chance to play himself up with those guys. But from what we saw last year, I'm not ready to put him there. So he's the 10th best quarterback in the league, probably. 10th or ninth best quarterback in the league, probably. Well, they have no offensive line. And I don't understand why people keep glossing over this where it's like, hey, Rodgers and Garrett Wilson, he's one of the best receivers in the league and Breece Hall's going to come back and the defense is really good. And it's like, yeah, the offensive line is terrible. Beckton and Dwayne Brown, sure tackles again. And then you have Robert Salah as the coach, who I cannot say I thought that Jets were crisply coached last year. Whatever he was doing with Zach Wilson was insane. No idea if that guy's even a decent coach. So I'm already worried about your offensive line, the age of your quarterback, and the competency of your coach. And that's before we get into the hard knocks curse, because for some reason they're doing hard knocks, the incredible Super Bowl hype already. And then we have the schedule, which is the AFC East has just got screwed by the schedules this year. The Jets, just for quarterbacks in 17 games, they got to play Josh Allen twice, they got to play Mahomes, Herbert, Hertz, Dak Prescott, and Deshaun Watson. And then they also have to play Miami twice. We'll see what we get out of two this year. And then a really good Pats defense. And then Denver, who knows, they might be rejuvenated. So Danny Dimes, they have to play him. It is a brutal schedule, so you have that. And then on top of everything else, you're the Jets. I was there with the Red Sox before 2004, and this is probably just as bad, where you just think the worst possible things can happen is all the time. You're not allowed to have optimism when you're Jets fans. You can be cautiously optimistic. There was an entire Curb Your Enthusiasm episode once, season 10, episode seven, about being a Jets fan. And it was called, I think, the ugly section. Nick Kroll was the maitre d'. And part of the episode was about, he would put these people in different sections of the restaurant, depending on how attractive they were. But there was this other plot, Larry's buddy who loved the Jets, kills himself. And Larry becomes convinced it was because of the Jets, that the Jets killed his friend. This was only a couple of years ago. So now they get Aaron Rodgers, and everything's good. And they're gonna win the Super Bowl. I don't see it, guys. I don't wanna step on my football stuff too much, but I'd be shocked. And Lombardi points out the defense that everybody's ready to compare to the 85 Bears. Lombardi said they had two turnovers over the last eight games last season. So that means something too. I am dubious, to say the least. If you're gonna tell me a tortured franchise actually turns it around this year, I want a tortured franchise that doesn't have expectations. Because the Lions are another one. Everybody's ready to put them in the Super Bowl or close. And the only case for them is just pretty explosive offense. They couldn't stop anybody last year. And the NFC is terrible. But that's another one where is that a fan base that should be super excited and have a ton of hype? The one that's kind of lurking that fits in this group is the Browns. Because the Browns are actually super talented. They're in a winnable division. Burroughs already hurt. And I think they're four to one to win the AFC North on FanDuel, something like that. Their over -under is, I think it climbed up.
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Celtics thrive on 3s, beat Heat 110-97 in Game 5 to extend East finals
"Derrick white had 24 points, including 6 three pointers and the Boston Celtics dominated Miami Heat won ten 97 on Thursday night in game 5 to extend the Eastern Conference Finals. You can go top to bottom of someone that hit a big shot at a crucial time. And they're a good team. They're always going to come back and attack us. So we can never be satisfied. Jason Tatum and jaylen Brown finished with 21 points apiece as the Celtics claim their second straight win and trim Miami series lead to three two. Duncan Robinson scored 18 points for Miami which host game 6 Saturday. Geffen kuba, Boston
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Butler scores 35, Heat rally to beat Celtics 123-116 in East finals opener
"That he took in one of the Eastern Conference Finals by dominating the third quarter of the one 23 one 16 win over the Celtics in Boston. The self led by 9 and a half time, but Miami outscored them 46 25 in the third to take control. Jimmy Butler provided 23 of his game high 35 points in the second half and finished with 7 assists 6 steals and 5 rebounds. Bam adebayo had 20 points and 8 rebounds for the heat who were 16 of 31 from three point range. Jason Tatum scored 30 points and jaylen Brown added 22 for the Celtics who host came to on Friday. I'm Dave ferry.
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Tatum's 4th-quarter 3s push Celtics past 76ers 95-86; force Game 7
"The Celtics have earned the right to host a game 7 in the Eastern Conference Semifinals by defeating the 76ers 95 86. Jason Tatum was zero for 6 from three point range before hitting two straight late in the game. The first pudding Boston had 84 83. Besides not falling and things just not necessarily going your way and you want it, you want it so bad. But trying to stay present is trying to stay in the moment, try and do other things. Marcus smarts 22 points led to seltzer, who hosts game 7 on Sunday. Joel embiid and tyrese Maxie each had 26 points and James Harden 13, but the rest of the sixers combined for just 21. I'm Dave ferry.
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Harden makes winning 3 in OT, 76ers tie series with Celtics
"James Harden in the three point basket with 19 seconds left in the overtime to give the 7 8 sixers a one 16 one 15 went over the Celtics in game four of the Eastern Conference semifinal series Hardin's basket was 16.7 nothing regulation tied to game at one O 7 his game winner enabled the sixers even the series at two games apiece. My friend and today was a door to high for us, you know what I mean? So we found what we found a way to win. And I saw that matter as opposed to hard and finished with 42 points Joel then being at a 34 Jason Tatum had 24 for Boston. Michael luongo, Philadelphia.
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Celtics pull away, beat Hawks 128-120 for 4-2 series win
"The Celtics finally advanced to the second round by rallying past the hawks one 28 one 20. Boston trail before an 11 O run that included three straight three pointers. Jason Tatum hit one of the trays and capped the spurt with a dunk to put Boston ahead one 21 one 13 with two O 7 remaining. Just understand it was time. It was a back and forth game. They was hitting big shots. We was hitting big shots. And we could feel it. Everybody was locked in. Jaylen Brown led the Celtics with 32 points, while Tatum added 30. Al Horford provided ten points, grabbed 12 boards and hit a three pointer that put Boston ahead to stay. I'm Dave ferry.
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Young scores 32, Hawks beat Celtics 130-122 to close to 2-1
"Facing a three zero deficit in the first round of the NBA playoffs, the Atlanta Hawks rally to defeat the Boston Celtics one 30 to one 22, the south came within 1.1 hundred to 99 midway through the fourth, but it was Trey young and Dijon Murray's three pointers in the last two minutes that put Atlanta in front to stay. Young scored 15 of his 32 points in the fourth quarter. I know I can play like this. Like I said, last game, I wouldn't worry. I knew I can play the way I need to. It's all about reading and making the right adjustments. Murray scored 25 for the hawks. Jason Tatum led the seltzer with 29. Gary mckillop's Atlanta
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Booker goes off for 38 points as Suns even series vs. Clippers
"Moved up two in their opening round playoff series with the Atlanta Hawks beating the hawks one 19 one O 6. Jason Tatum had 29 points, the Celtics went on a late run to finish the hawks in this game. Phoenix says, even at series with the LA clippers at one one, Devin Booker with 38 points, leading the suns to a one 23 one O 9 win. The sun's rebought it from our disappointing game one, and they fell behind by 12 early in this one. The Cleveland Cavaliers avoided an O two hole. Darius Garland said in early tone, 26 of his 32 in the first half and the Cavs blew out the New York Knicks one O 7 to
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"AP sports, I'm Bruce Morton. Iowa sent shockwaves through the women's college basketball world. It held off previously unbeaten defending champs, South Carolina, 77, 73. AP national player of the year Caitlin Clark led the way for the hawkeyes with a semifinal record 41 points and said this game wasn't just a win. It was a showcase for her sport. I'm sure so many people wish this was a series of 7 games. That would be really, really fun. And I think we continued the series. It might go one way or the other every single time. The game Crocs aliyah Boston said this wasn't the way they wanted to finish, but they still had a season to remember. Just winning. 36 games. I feel like that's unbelievable. Sunday, the hawks will meet LSU, which took over in the fourth quarter and a 79 72 win over Virginia tech. Alexis Morris was game high with 27 points for a Bayou Bengal team that made it to the championship game for the first time in program history. Maybe the standing champions at the end maybe I can just let go and just be like, ha. Next up, the men's final four on Saturday with Florida Atlantic facing San Diego state followed by Miami versus Yukon. Pro basketball, the Celtics continued their push for the top seat in the east by besting shorthanded Utah one 22 one 14. Jason Tatum came through with a game high 39 points. Each game presents a different challenge. And so whatever we went through today was probably not going to be as hard as what the players are going to be like. Other NBA winners included the Knicks, grizzlies and sons. Baseball Jorge solar and jazz Chisholm each Homer to give Miami a two one decision over the mets. Dave ferry has details. So Lara put Miami ahead in the second inning in Chisholm provided insurance in the 8th. Jesus luzardo combined with three relievers on a four hitter with lizardo yielding two hits over 5 and two thirds. The Astros came from behind to beat the White Sox 6 three, and the rockies won at San Diego four to one. First Martin AP sports
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Tatum's 39 lifts Celtics over short-handed Jazz 122-114
"The Celtics gained ground in the Eastern Conference race with a one 22 one 14 downing of the jazz. Jason Tatum delivered 39 points and 11 assists as Boston pulled within a game and a half of the conference leading bucks. Tatum nailed 5 of the Celtic 17 three pointers. Anytime I had an ounce of opportunity it was either, you know, shoot a driver to kick it. Malcolm Brockton chipped in 19 points, and Derek white had its 17 in the win. The selz pulled away by outscoring Utah, 66 49 over the second and third quarters. Taylor Horton Tucker had 28 points and 8 assists for the jazz. I'm Dave ferry.
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Tatum, Brown help Celtics demolish NBA-leading Bucks 140-99
"The Celtics are a game closer to the Eastern Conference lead after crushing the bucks, one 40, 99. Celtics coach Joe Missoula. I finally began in the game we came out with an intentionality in our game plan discipline. But we did a really good job keeping them on a transition. Boston chat 22 of 43 from three point range and pulled within two games of Milwaukee. Jason Tatum pumped in 40 points and Jalen Brown 30 to help Boston win the season series and the tie breaker between the two teams. Bucks forward Chris Middleton left the game midway through the third quarter after taking an elbow to the face. Yanis intend to Cooper had 24 points for the bucks who matched their worst loss of the season. I'm Dave ferry.
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Jalen Green scores 28, Rockets outlast Celtics 111-109
"Jabari Smith junior scored 24 points and grabbed 11 rebounds as the Houston Rockets won their 16th game of the season, beating the Boston Celtics one 11 to one O 9. Smith shot 9 of 11 from the field and he made his first 5 three pointers. One of the best teams in the league where he was in the finals last year, you know, just competing with him. Going down to the wire like that with a great team like that. It's real promising in this room. This is your girl for us. Jalen Brown let all scores with 43 points, but Jason Tatum was limited to just 22 points on 8 of 22 shooting for the Celtics, and he missed a layup at the buzzer. That would have sent the game into overtime. Adam Spillane Houston
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The latest in sports
"AB sports I'm Josh rowntree, major news Wednesday in college basketball is for the first time in nearly 5 decades. Syracuse will have a new head coach, more from correspondent Dave ferry. Basketball coach Jim beheim said at a news conference Wednesday that it was up to Syracuse to decide whether he returns for a 48th season. The school quickly responded by announcing that assistant Adrian Autry is replacing beheim, who was second on the all time wins list for division one coaches. I've been lucky. To be able to do it. Coach this long. His resume includes 34 NCAA tournament appearances, ten big east regular season titles and 5 conference tournament championships, along with the NCAA title in 2003, but the orange haven't had a 21 season in four years. I'm Dave ferry. On the NBA hardwood, CJ McCollum dropped in 32 points as the pelicans topped Dallas one 13 one O 6. It was good, man, but I'm just trying to win, man. I think that's, out of the score, a lot of points in my career and I hit big shots. I'm just trying to do what I can to help the team win. So it was nice to make some shots and make some plays, but it's even better when it comes in a win. The Cavaliers got by the heat one O four 100 as Evan mobley says defense led the way for Cleveland. I feel like we played pretty good defense. We were in our spots. Sometimes shooters got out. And we followed the shooters. We could do a little bit better with that. And then also them driving middle, but overall I feel like we did a good job. And Boston smashed Portland one 1593, Jason Tatum had 30. Al Horford added 17. I was just really early on taking with the defense was giving me the way they were playing me and guy found me early and I was able to get into a rhythm really early. And on the ice, the wild top the jets four two behind 46 saves for Mark Andre flurry. I thought you guys defended Walt, you know, everybody covered the metal to slat a lot of it. It's not too many grated air and the blocks and shots where it clear blocks away and obviously something nice goes up front to get the leader. I'm Josh Brown tree AP sports.
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Mikal Bridges helps Nets rally to stun Celtics, 115-105
"The net storm back from a 28 point deficit to beat the Celtics, one 15 one O 5. Brooklyn trailed 51 23, four and a half minutes into the second quarter before closing the half on a 32 13 run. Mikhail bridges scored 38 points and had ten rebounds in 43 minutes. This defense, you know, we got stops and we just stayed together, just, you know, possession by possession. You can't get all back in one place, so you just kept fighting and just stay together. Cam Johnson finished with 20 points and Dorian Finney Smith added 17. Jalen Brown paced the Celtics with 35 points and Jason Tatum added 22 with 13 rebounds on this 25th birthday. I'm Dave ferry.
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Tatum's late 3 lifts Celtics past Embiid, 76ers 110-107
"Jason Tatum and the three point basket with 2.2 seconds left in regulation to give the Celtics a one ten one O 7 win over the 76ers. Tatum's three point winner came up to Philadelphia had tied the contest at one O 7 on a pair of free throws by Joel embiid. Tatum has put a 7 for 17 shooting performance from the field, managed to score 18 to give Boston their third straight win. Perfect story, right? Tie game ten 5 seconds left. Haven't been shooting well. Come through for the guys when, you know, need you the most. Jaylen Brown had a team high 26, Joel embiid had a game by 41 in the loss for the sixers. Michael luongo, Philadelphia.
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Tatum has 31, breaks tie late in OT, Celtics outlast Pacers
"The Celtics control the overtime and the rebounding at a one 42 one 38 win over the pacers. Boston owned a 51 to 37 advantage on the glass, Jason Tatum had 31 points and 12 rebounds for the 43 and 17 Celtics. A good stat line, but you know, really not a really good game, but just for one glad we won and just try to find ways to make plays. Miles Turner tied a career best with 40 points as the pacers Lewis for the 17th time in 20 games. Tom mccabe, Indianapolis
WTOP
"jason tatum" Discussed on WTOP
"The never any defense All-Star Game day, Preston? Oh my goodness, if you took the over on 150 points for each, you won. NBA's All-Star Game saw Jason Tatum take MVP honors for to be honest getting 8 55 points. That's an All-Star Game record and the one 84 one 75 victory over team LeBron wizards on pace to make the plan round they next play Friday against New York NHL capitals are not on pace to make the playoffs after their fourth straight loss Saturday outdoors. At Carolina, the caps host Detroit tomorrow pro football's XFL kicked off its season with the D.C. defenders defeating Seattle 22 to 18 Audi field security interrupting multiple attempts at building a beer snake fans throwing lemons whole lemon. It's not sliced lemons. I checked it out. And where did they get the lemons? Is the big question? That is the mystery. You bring them to the dictionary. So we're still with the gang on the side. I mean, that technically that's outside food. Right. So maybe everybody smuggling lemons? I don't want to know men's college hoops, Maryland loses in overtime at Nebraska 70 to 66, the Terrence turned the ball over four times in the extra session. Georgetown and George Washington also post victories. Women soups number 11 Virginia tech beats NC state 75 to 62 while Virginia loses to duke 56 52 PGA Tour John rom takes the genesis invitational at 1700 part Tiger Woods size for 45th and lays out his plans for 2023. My intent last year was to play in all four majors. I got three of the four. Hopefully this year I can get all four. And maybe sprinkle in a few here and there. But that's it for my rest of my career. I know that and I understand that. The master's teas on April 6th that Augusta national for those who can't wait to see the green jacket shamrock shakes are coming out so you get a green milkshake. We know you're always excited about that. Exactly. It's gonna be different coming and trying to bring in them an early because I don't know if they make them overnight. That'll be a challenge. NASCAR Nick, Ricky Stenhouse junior wins the Daytona 500. Dave Preston WTO sports. Okay, Dave, it's 6 47. I'm Peter miss turley and here are your top headlines from federal news network. As part of its joint effort to protect consumers from quote discourage of illegal robocalls, the Justice Department and the Federal Trade Commission announced a civil enforcement action on Friday against several corporate and individual defendants for alleged violations of the FTC act. DoJ and the FTC say the action targeted companies that provided assistance to telemarketers who made illegal calls to numbers on the national do not call registry, as well as failing to truthfully identify the seller of the goods and the services being marketed. For more on this and other federal stories, go to federal news network dot com. Coming up after traffic and weather, the top stories we're following for you this hour. New this morning, President Biden has made an unannounced visit to Ukraine's capital. There's been an outpouring of support for former president Jimmy Carter, who has now entered hospice care. In a weekend fire at a local apartment building, which left one dead and displaced hundreds has others scrutinizing the safety of their buildings. For more on these top stories in just minutes. It's 6 48. Traffic and weather on the 8s Jack Taylor in the WTO traffic center. We'd had an issue in Virginia Adam McLean on the beltway. It was the outer loop and the service roadway that took him on to Georgetown pike exit 44. There may be one vehicle that's left from the crash, but it is now on the ramp kind of halfway up it had been blocking part of the service roadway and it had been blocking the ramp to Georgetown pike. Now you've got the ramp reopen, there may be some activity off the roadway right side, but there's absolutely no delay, and you're traveling, or once again, available. Bellway otherwise, looking good still between tysons and Alexandria, 95, three 95, 66 off to a good start, no early troubles downtown for now across the freeway. Good to go in New York avenue, third street tunnel. D.C. two 95, I two 95. There is trouble up in northwest, southbound 7th street as you ride down toward K street. There's a crash right up onto the curb along the right side of the roadway. In Maryland, we're quiet at a Frederick two 70 south, no troubles between the beltways, 95 or the Baltimore Washington Parkway. Four 95 good to go between basically Silver Spring and oxen hill inner and outer loop without slowdown. There had been activity from overnight. There was a serious crash, Lake arbor way closed both ways between golf course drive and campus way north. This is due to ongoing crash investigation. In the fight against COVID-19, you've got options Virginia with new boosters and treatments for anyone feeling sick. Go to vda dot Virginia dot gov slash coronavirus. Jack Taylor will be traffic. Storm team four's Chad Merrill, we save the really crazy temperatures for later in the week, but pretty mild right now. Yeah, temperatures in the upper 40s right now will rebound into the low to mid 60s this afternoon as the sun comes up here in the next ten to 15 minutes and that will really warm our temperatures very nicely. We are in the upper 40s overnight on Tuesday, a couple of sprinkles early in the day above a nice southwest breeze, temperatures even warmer. We'll be close to 70 on Tuesday afternoon on Wednesday, that's when we turn the dial back a bit into the low 50s with cloudy skies and a couple of sprinkles early. Now on Thursday, we are seeing temperatures much, much warmer. After a couple of sprinkles, the sun comes up, southwest breeze after a warm front lifts north. We are in the upper 70s, a couple of spots in Virginia will be in the lower 80s, and we are definitely going to challenge the record high, which is 77° at all three airports. And then we cool it down a little bit Friday into the weekend, but really not that much rain this week. 45 in Hagerstown 43 in Laurel, worm spot, culpeper, checking in at 48°. Chad, thank you coming up on WTO P a mall in our area is considering new restrictions on young visitors. It's 6 51. When
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Bucks edge Celtics 131-125 in OT for 11th straight win
"The Celtics were missing several of their frontline players still took the bucks to overtime before the bucks prevailed one 31 one 25. Buck's guard drew holiday had 40 points, including the go ahead three pointer with 25 seconds left in the OT. It wiped out the Celtics 5 point lead. We know that 5 minutes is going to be a long time and we're always going to have a chance to come back, but I just think concentrating down the stretch. I wouldn't say that we necessarily turned it on. We had a couple of good shots there and missed them. Sam hulls or sent the game to OT with a three in the closing seconds of regulation, Boston played without all stars Jason Tatum, jaylen Brown and a few others. Chuck Freeman, Milwaukee
The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"jason tatum" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"Jayson Tatum specifically has not had a breakout game in this series. Shot the ball a lot better in game two, but he was what a -36 overall for the game. This was a guy that was one of the best plus minus player. I think it was the best plus minus player in the NBA during the regular season. What do you need to see out of Jay Stanton? What should the Celtics ask of Jayson Tatum going into this game three? It's a good question. I mean, I tend to think when you get this deep into the playoffs when you're in the finals. You're going to go as far as your best players take you, right? Like, it's great to see him put up like 13 assists or something, but like I don't think Jason Tatum having a great game as a distributor is going to be how this others are going to win consistently. Yes, that worked out okay in game one despite him shooting terribly. He became a playmaker. Okay, fine. But it's not, I don't think it's the path to the championship. Is Jason Tatum shooting 35% scoring in the teens, but having a lot of assists. I think that's not how they're built. So I think you want him aggressive, but you don't want him over aggressive. If you want him to be looking to score and to get going early, but not forcing it, right? This is the balance that every franchise star has to find, especially the ones who are, you know, generally speaking, guards and wings who are the multi talented, you can score it wherever you want, get your shot off wherever you want. You're solid to great passer. And the responsibility becomes, you're going to have the ball in your hands more than anybody else. You've got to figure out when the right time is to shoot and when to move the ball. And so it sounds like this puzzle that you have, but it is. Like, that's it. He has to find the right level of aggression. But I want him to be aggressive. I want Jayson Tatum looking for his shot and I want him driving and I want him putting the warriors on their heels because I think it opens up so much else for the Celtics. Yeah, I think he's got to go when he gets the ball. Sometimes Tatum has a habit of kind of holding onto it, surveying the defense. You don't want to give that warrior's defense a chance to, you know, implement what it's going to implement against you, whether it's drifting over a defender, putting a defender on the backside. All the things they're throwing adjacent Tatum to try to mix him up. I don't know if there's a number of shots. I want to see Jayson Tatum take given what the defense is doing. I just want to see him shoot efficiently. He shot pretty efficiently in game two, 6 for 9 from three point range is a great number. You want to see that if you can duplicate it, went to the free throw line 8 times, that's a pretty good number for Jayson Tatum. He was part of that core that got run over in the third quarter. And if you're Tatum, you've kind of got to be the guy that stops these runs. You've got to be the one that gets aggressive in those moments, gets the free throw line, gets a bucket, prevents kind of The Rock from rolling down the mountain there. When your team is playing the way they were playing..
Celtics Stuff Live
"jason tatum" Discussed on Celtics Stuff Live
"50 to receive your 50% welcome bonus on your first deposit and place a wager on the Celtics because I'm telling you, all of this madness on my end, they're just fighting everything through against all odds. So do it. Bet it gets the odds. Take that 50% bonus, put it on the Celtics, and when you some money, bet online, where the game starts. You get, okay, so I know. I know where we're going. No, no, I'm back. I'm not going to decide well a little bit. But. I mean, okay, I understand the frustration and I don't want to get hurt again. You know? I get it. I do. You know, it's a tough, it's a tough deal because they are absolutely in a spot where they could break our heart, right? But I'm going to say the other side of it because look, I was pretty down on these guys and this whole situation here this winter. It was pretty frustrating, right? And we were over and over and over again, sitting here, you know, wondering, what am I going to understand? When are they going to figure out that they have to dig at a find a different way to do this? And I'm kind of the opposite of you on this, I think. Because I've been for me, I view this as all gravy, right? From the moment that Jason Tatum and figured out that he needed to play differently, not only for himself to be to ascend as a player, but also for his team to go where they need to go and of course those two things are linked. Once that happened and Jalen bought in and everybody else bought in and they started to bind to team concepts as a group. I've been in. I think they could win it all. No. But I know, but we talked about it early. Figured out when they started going on that winning what they have to do. They have to find a way to think collectively and not just think individually. And that change that occurred in January, and it emails urging probably from the beginning, but really buying in and consistently providing that effort from January on. And being unrelenting about it too, by the way. So obviously we've had games have gone the other way, but really there's been a consistent constant.
The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden
"jason tatum" Discussed on The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden
"Let's go. Wow. Hey, we want the nets. We said we wanted the nets. We got the nets. Yeah, cakewalk. It is a it is a hard hat series right now. This is a hard hat series. I got the heart on. I came to work today, the Celtics came to work. I took a little break in the fourth quarter, but man, they executed at the very literal last second that they needed to execute all the time. Just one of the all time moments in Celtics franchise history. A game we'll be talking about literally forever. Jason Tatum pick a great look under the rim, carrier has no chance to stop that locomotive with a nice little spin move. And wow, I'll be honest, I had some deep, dark, dark, dark thoughts. Dark. Dark dark dark, very dark place. I don't think I'm alone in that, but man, did they? That's a season saving. I mean, that was the series right there. If you lose that game, you lose the series. I'm not sure, but man. Yeah. You know, deep breaths. Let me exhale. Again, I have to sit here and wait for you idiots for like ten minutes. Okay, so three idiots. Screaming at this idiot. To nobody. Was in was watching the game as a fan in a box waiting running and I left early and I missed that for this show, which is fine because that's what we do. But we got the guys at the garden right now. Where are they? With the guys at the garden allegedly, I think they're still up in the balcony. I think I gotta look at Bobby. Still up there just like, what a play. What a play. We have a lot of times. Yeah. Let's get, let's get where this is. You know, and as you said, you go to a dark place there because the fourth quarter, oh my God, you know, and you know, 12 point lead and the end of the third was brilliant Tatum blocks Durant, Tatum hits a three. They go up 12 terrific. Then wheels come off fourth quarter Celtics. Here we frigging go again. You know, one O 7 one O two and it's just looking bleak and it was all that stuff we'd seen. The ISO, blah blah blah, you know, Tatum getting trapped, you know, just not getting good looks, not getting the stops..
The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden
"jason tatum" Discussed on The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden
"Instead of split the double team found the open man cutting to the basket for the game where and to me, that was we've been trying to talk about how Marcus smart is such a better playmaker and things like that. That was just, I mean, again, I don't know whether it was just Marcus smart making a no pun intended smart play. Or whether it was just luck. But the bomb was incredible. Yeah, but if she wrote three months ago, he takes that shot. Come on. Definitely takes that shot. I don't even know. I think most people take that shot simply because they look at the clock. And if that was a shot that we would be pulling our hair out last season or previous seasons as a Marcus smart takes and you know, whether I already makes it give him credit, man, that was such a third quarter that he had. Well, after that third quarter, he was Bret high. You will be speaking to take that shot, 9 times out of ten, three months ago. He's thinking like a point guard now. And it took a little bit because and to his, which is fair because he wasn't a true point guard. Now he's looking playing like more of a point guard than ever before. And that was a point guard play. That was an unbelievable look. Perfect timing. Jason Tatum had he played a cut to the hoop. He had Kyrie down there. Kyrie was just what is Kyrie gonna do at that point? He's got a, you know, Tatum coming out in full steam ahead and as soon as Tatum spun Kyrie. As soon as he's seen the virus like that, the game. Not only is Kyrie catching an L, but he's also great. Put a little finger salute to the fans and he's getting two of those rod. Okay, you guys see the video out the halftime? No. He told someone to, let's just say the ask for a favor. Yeah, it shouldn't be asking. I mean, after what was he carrying you suck? I think was the initial question. Something very explicit and somewhat sexual. So I'm not gonna say that. He has said that before, actually. I mean, that's his thing. That's his go to..
The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden
"jason tatum" Discussed on The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden
"No, nothing's happening. No, I fully agree with you, John. Hold on hold on. Let's see Joshua. Are you there? Can you talk again? Go for it. Sorry. Okay. All right, don't touch it. I think we're muting an unreal at the same time, but okay. Probably, yeah. I was gonna say, look, it all started from the beginning, okay? You may put it out there and said, look, I need two cats. One, but two. I thought that was a clear cut message that he wanted those guys to do it. Jason Tatum and jaylen Brown. This is supposed to be there you. This is their team now. All right, there's no combo. There's no Gordon. We talked about this before, right? And they didn't. So I'm with you. You know? Is Marcus smart?.
The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden
"jason tatum" Discussed on The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden
"No, that's not the point. The point is we can only say Jayson Tatum was awesome so much without looking ahead like does he flip a switch or is it just a one off game? He's gonna go two for 17 next game. It's a bad shooting season and all of a sudden he looked like a different human being out there. So you guys are there. You've got a firsthand look. Was there a bike on scene? Because some people in the chat are saying there was no bike option. I didn't see it but I didn't even think about that. Okay, because I am told there was no bike. If there's no bike knee drops 51, then I don't want to ever see a bike again. Okay, I am told. I didn't even see one out here. Sources in D.C. tell me it was a bike free zone. Is that right, Bobby? In fact, Bobby facts. Yeah, no, no bike in sight. There it is. This is why you sent us down here. We have eyes. We have four different eyes confirming. Bobby, we're gonna go city to city and just see which place has bikes. That's it. We'll go down. I've got a closer look in a second. But we could see from here. There's nobody here. Stuff him. There might be one in the hallway that we can't see. He's gonna get a good he messed it all game. What do we got? What do you guys see down there? You know, I thought one of the more interesting things that you may say in postgame was this is the exact same. These are the exact same looks that Tatum was getting, you know? And I thought he's right. You know, I just thought. Maybe he was a mental thing. Maybe it was him just trying to the credit is getting so into his head that he can't man. Someone's watching the game because they're going nuts over there. But whatever it was, I don't think any of us were thinking like, oh, well, this is going to be the new Jason Tatum..
Celtics Beat
"jason tatum" Discussed on Celtics Beat
"Yeah, my thing with the way Jason Tatum is covered. And I think I've been guilty of this myself too. Is like we put these guys in boxes, right? Like the narrator, whatever. I really think that the early success we saw from Jason and Jalen made us all go oh my God, these guys are the next step in clay. They're the next great thing since sliced bread. And that's a lot to put on someone. And then you kind of just go with, I think Tatum gets a lot of unfair criticism on top of that with just kind of maybe like some of his body language gets talked about like the way he talks and postgame. I just, I think people read too much into that stuff. Like Jayson Tatum doesn't seem like he's a super outgoing person with the media, where Jalen maybe says a lot more and takes activists stands and really will talk and be thought out that might not be who Tatum is, and it doesn't mean he doesn't care..
Celtics Beat
"jason tatum" Discussed on Celtics Beat
"Stuff that he was dealing with last year because we were not traveling with the team. It's a subtlety, but it's very significant in how max and I do our job and how the job this job should be done. But I was very high praise of Tatum in the Wednesday night game because he wasn't shooting well. And not only was he not getting frustrated, he was moving the ball. He was rebounding. And one thing, and I'm gonna make a complete inference here. We wanted to talk to him after the game, I figure 8 of 24. Finally, Abby will take somebody else for the postgame guest on TV and there she goes again. I literally couldn't believe it. I'm like, what are we gonna make when are we gonna talk to Jason Taylor but not after an 8 for 24 game? It's just the way it works out. Like, come on. Flirted with a triple double, though. Anyway, so he, I'm going to make the inference that there is a conversation between him and the head coach about complaining to the officials because he was not doing it last night. He wasn't doing the wild because I don't want to see Jason Tatum is so good. He's going to be so iconic in New England that you're going to see kids out on the playground. The driver on a branded playground. You're going to see kids when they drive to the baskets, throwing up their hands when they don't get a foul call, whatever, because he was doing it just too much. And the officials noticed it and their human beings too. So I loved how he held it together last night when he got hit a couple times. And just went back and played defense and made plays and I loved it and he had to be that guy last night without jailing. So I was all in on the game and Tatum played last night. I don't know, I think he's had a rough start shooting. You look at the shot selection, he's gonna make those shots. Jason Tatum for most of his work years in 19 year olds leaving the league in three points for a lot of that year. Until the end, I'm not. I'm not only my own concern about Jason Tatum shooting 39%. To me, it's a.
The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden
"jason tatum" Discussed on The Garden Report | Boston Celtics Post Game Show from TD Garden
"But I'm not sure if it is so I wanna ask you guys like I know Jalen is like mellow, okay? And Jason mumbles into his chest a little bit, okay? You're not getting a lot of these guys. How important is not just accountability, but almost putting on an act a little bit. You know, like after a win, just a little pep, a little enthusiasm, a little lift. Like, because you're the front facing, you know, you know, people of the franchise, it is weird every time you get a win and you ask Jason Tatum about, he's like, I just tried to get to the spots as I was a good guy. Because the way this team has been for you. It's like winning's almost a relief, you know? It's not like it's exciting. It's like a jail tonight. It's like you want to get excited you want to get behind them. You want your benefits too. Yeah. Thanks for that a couple wins against teams that they probably should have won again. That hasn't been a great excitement. But to me, it's like I think that matters some is so much of it. It's like it's not that hard. Fucking Jimmy. It's not that hard to do this. I did my Tatum going up. I know. I know. That connected. I think that would have ended up. But all of that stuff, a lot of that stuff matters. Being a little bit of peppiness in that, a little bit more, you know, you know, show, you know, on the corner, it's just, you don't get a lot of it. So people don't have a lot to go on. Even when they're playing well, it doesn't seem like there's a joy. And then play as well. Yeah. And that is a little odd. But I think I can't remember who said it, but when you think back to all the games that they've won together, it's almost like they're numb to the fact that they've been so successful. And so when they do play well, it just doesn't feel like it's that big a deal to them. This sounds like something I would write. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, I was smiling together. Yeah, yeah. No, no. Each other? Early success. I don't think that they have the kind of relationship that all of us want them to have. They have the kind of relationship that works for them. And that's where that matters. Well, the narrative for their career builds in this too with what John's talking about. Though early winning, almost felt like I could give him and then.
Celtics Stuff Live
"jason tatum" Discussed on Celtics Stuff Live
"And so maybe they all recognize that that's the issue with the defense and or maybe the coaching staff is so focused on the offensive piece. And they have the same kind of confidence that that's just not what's coming out of the player's mouths. But the truth is, is the energy in the effort on the defensive side is the bigger issue. But I also think it's the one that's most likely to correct itself. Just interesting people aren't really calling that out. Well, I think you're right. I think it could, it could turn itself around because there have been so many things that have kind of gone sideways because of COVID. You lose. Two of your top four or 5 guys for a week, you know, before the start of the season, new coach, you know, there's a whole bunch of reasons why we should expect a month of garbage. You know and difficult play. If we didn't have the year we had last year, probably there have been more understanding about that. And then to that, you're right. You know, I think that's part of the problem is it's like a continuation. You still feel like they were sold a plan that that wasn't going to happen again. Right. I thought we fixed this. You know? And I think we did, but the core needs to get itself figured out. And, you know, I was just as you were talking. I just thought it was interesting. Marcus smart's usage on the season's 14.8%. That's less than half of Jason Tatum's usage and jaylen brown's usage. Now, so with that says he's got the ball half the time. Both of those guys have it because the idea is that I've heard a lot today. Why is he shooting? Shoot it so much and blah blah blah. The real problem with smart is turnover percentages twice as bad, even though he's used. He has the ball in his hands. Half as much..
The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"jason tatum" Discussed on The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix
"Brown jason tatum. Because i have been saying for the last few years my optimism about the celtics or my belief in the celtics as a potential contender in the east whether it was the isaiah thomas version whether it was the kyrie irving version short-lived as it was whether it was my belief in that franchise and their potential was. Because i thought those two jaylen brown. Jason tatum could be or should be the best one two punch at the wings in the nba. You made me not the the best. All-star duo there. There are some others out there. Obviously there are more accomplished but it's too young wings that grow together. It could do a lot of damage at both ends of the court. And we're showing steady improvement. I thought the sky's the limit for this franchise and last season was easy to to brush off his. You know what there's some covert issues. It's a weird season. They underachieved a little bit. They'll bounce back well here. We are in year. Whatever it is now and that partnership had to me from the outside and you see it a lot more closely than i do in boston chris. But that's never looked more fragile to me and both guys refusing to meet with the media also speaks to a certain fragility and before listeners. Or anybody else think you guys just get mad when guys don't wanna talk to you know it's not about that one the job of interviewing guys to tell you the nba fans the fans of specific team or the listeners. The readers what is on these guys is minds. What went right. What went wrong. Would ever this just the job. This is for you. It's not for us. it's not about my ego. i don't care. And i wasn't there the other night. It's but it's about that but it's also about accountability because when you're the star of the team when you're making the most money when you get the most shots when you get the most spotlight when you get the most credit for the winds you have a responsibility that goes with that. And that's not a responsibility to me..
Winning Plays
"jason tatum" Discussed on Winning Plays
"That is there any more insight on into this illness that he's dealing with because he's not right. Would you rather have any credit he's also made some great plays. He made the 3% over time. I'm opening night. His defense down the stretch and Charlotte was enormous. But when you see him playing the way he is, last night, 35 minutes, one of 7 from the field, three assists 5 personal files, maybe Payton can get 7 of those minutes. Ten of those minutes? I can see when you see that clearly he's not Marcus smart right now. And you respect him playing through shit, but like, you know, just when you have these, we talked about all pre season. This team feels so much deeper than they were last year, which doesn't take much. Last year was a kiddie pool. But there is depth. And this is the time where they might need it. We're jaylen doesn't come to play with smart doesn't come to play. When Jason Tatum were email made a big emphasis beginning of the year. I don't want you complaining to the rest. Let me worry about it. Jason ambition to the rest constantly to the point where you got a technical for it last night. So at what point, just let these kids have a chance. Clearly it's not working with your starters. You got to send a message. And I think it's a great point, bringing up smart there because guess where he ranks on minutes on the team right now, like for the season. Rich. Is it first? Second. Tatum is saying tame is playing 37.8 minutes per game. Smart is playing 37 minutes per game. And he's shooting 25% from the field. Yeah, but I mean, they said, I don't even was there any clear explanation or anything in terms of what he's actually dealing with the court. I know there was a one story that just said he's been on fluids and the dizzy, I don't know if he's throwing up, but something does not seem right. Right. Yeah, so that was after Monday night. He just came out and it really hung his head and was just immediately, I was like, hey, you okay, you just don't look good and that's when he said, you know, he had been throwing up in the game and was play bad headaches and just pains and stuff like that, so he actually seemed to feel better enough to play last night, but the encore production, the shooting, we've seen shooting something before, but he made his riding regardless and like you said, there are alternatives in place where if smart isn't feeling great, don't play him 37 minutes a night, like playing 25 minutes a night, so you can a developer younger guys and you maybe get a better version of smart and especially offensively when things aren't going well there. And I guess the other concerning thing I have here and we can bring up Dennis ruder as we look.
Celtics Lab Podcast
"jason tatum" Discussed on Celtics Lab Podcast
"Because it's a -rageous there's no way to really have a clear thought and thinking out loud as one of the ways to kind of see what you're thinking. I suppose. I'm surprised at some of the things that came out of my mouth. So a dr glenn. Final thoughts tatum upgrade hunt. Let's just say that. I am very excited to see jason tatum. Who can deploy getting to the line to nearly double his usual scoring when things aren't working out for him. Otherwise the concept of that wedded to a washer. That makes a lot more sense. It has healthy players jailed. Brown on and robert williams. I am very excited for this offseason. I don't want to come sooner but when it.
WBZ NewsRadio 1030
"jason tatum" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030
"Better than Jason Tatum was in Game three. When he poured in 50 becoming just the six Celtic ever reached that number in a playoff game. We'll see what Tatum has in store for tonight is the Celtics try to even the serious with the Nets at two games apiece. Robert Williams was it is doubtful with the injured ankle while Kevin Walker will test that his name pregame see if he can give it a go. He's officially listed as questionable tip off is at seven. Red Sox and Marlins were postponed. They'll make it up on June 7th as tickets to today's game will be honored on that makeup date on the seventh socks when I haven't water Rodriguez start tomorrow, gets the Astros in Houston versus seven straight on the road for the Sox. Braves outfielder Marcel Ozuna is being held in Fulton County Jail on charges of aggravated assault by strangulation. Ah, felony that carries a minimum of three years and a maximum of 20 years in prison after police say they witnessed Ozuna choke his wife and throw her up against the wall during a dispute at their home and the Bruins get the day off to relax after David Pasternack recorded a hat trick. In a convincing victory over the Islanders in Game one game to tomorrow night Down the draft. Kings abuse coach sports to get a free shot of millions of dollars up for grabs this week with your first deposit minimum $5 pounds required eligibility restrictions apply. See draftkings dot com for details. Mark Bennet WBZ Boston's news radio. It's time for traffic and weather together. The super retailers of New England all wheel drive in traffic on the threes, and it is a messy day. David, too, Droney take it away and sure is messy, all their Madison for sure. Road's wet Take it slow hearing a lot of crashes out there this time responsibly. Wendy's breakfast. Everything up North Madison's looking good 1 28 93 3 and 95 all looking good to him from New Hampshire. Coming back from Hampshire 95 cell phone. You locked up almost three miles to a crash. Just before the Hampton Tolls. 93 is looking good. Conquered to the mass State line South down 4 95 cell phone. Still the end up to about a mile to an earlier rollover before we 58 Wareham Expressway North bound on the brakes, Columbia Road Up through the O'Neill expressways Cell found you slow self beta neponset again through the split. Who three North bound Not that bad about 23 Mile 2 to 4 miles from route 53 up to Derby Street. You'll hit delay south bound. You locked up 18 to Derby 95 North bound is okay to out 95 Okay both ways actually to and from Rhode Island. 24 north on that earlier crash before 1 39 stone that has cleared all lanes open images. Dondo, the down for the count there for 2.5, Miles, until that thins out 24 self found heavy heavy curiosity delays. Same spot through stone by 1 39 Everything's looking Good. Capeside six. Route six on the Midcap Highway, No Issues sag, More Born Bridges looking good Coming off west on the pike about 45 minutes between the pro tunnel into 90 and often 4 95 cell found. Still seeing those delays 62 down 2 to 90 when.
WBZ NewsRadio 1030
"jason tatum" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030
"And lost all star Jason Tatum, though hopefully it's not serious. 1 31 away defeat in Brooklyn Nets lead their first round playoff series two. Nothing sees Coach Brad Stevens. What has to happen in Game three Friday in Boston. We gotta get down the floor quicker. We have got to execute faster. We have to be more detailed and better in our defense. We know Would be more a strain. We need to be way better. They exposed that because they were really good, but I was disappointed in how we played versus the other knife. Tatum only scored nine points on three of 12 shooting before leaving in the third quarter after Kevin Durant poked him in the eye. Pablo Sandoval played his first game in Boston since a memorably disastrous run with the Red Sox that ended in 2017 and he had three hits in the 31 Braves win. Socks will go for the split tonight. Star receiver Julio Jones has demanded a trade from the Falcons and Patriots and Titans or reportedly high on his wish list. Adam Kaufman, WBC Boston's news radio, and it's a 13. What is going on through the roadways this morning? Let's check it out with Lori Grandee and the Subaru Retailers of New England all wheel drive traffic on the threes. Well, sir, Here's the dealio things on Route 24 North under a little bit sluggish because we have a couple of problems is the crash in the breakdown Lane and West Bridgewater, right by one, those six to watch out for its stuff, too. Through Avon 24 north that is between Harrison Boulevard and 1 39. It's not really stopping Go stuff is just a lot of volume. A lot of folks friends, colleagues, cohorts. Kids went to school with all out there with you this morning in Weymouth through three North and is heavy as well from 18 to the Bergen Parkway. And then what? You hid the expressway that is really bogged down between East Million Square and Columbia Road. Check out the downtown now with Krista Neck in the WBC news, radio traffic copter. Well, Laurie, it is still jammed on the Tobin Bridge. Inbound your back down the Chelsea side of the bridge. We may have something new up around the center span that seems to be holding everything back there. That is also slow getting into the city Square tunnel, but the leverage down wrap That's heavy from around the Santa gravel plant down on the story, Dr. That sort of started ease out a little bit. We've got an issue back on 93 South, and so everything grinds to a halt back of Roosevelt's circle. You're crawling down into Somerville. Part of that is that you lose the right lane of the Sullivan score off ramp. We haven't seen that delay a lot since the pandemic struck. That's something new. The rap that comes back up from the McGrath highway in the Fells way. People are coming up that ramp onto 93 south and then cutting across all of the traveling is to jump in the car pooling. Good work. You weren't supposed to do that. And you weren't able to do that. Previously, before they took the flubber stanchions down to keep you from doing that, Maybe they have to put them back up Crystal back in the WBC news radio traffic copter. I'm Lori Grady WBC's traffic on the three to be a hot one in Boston today, It's.
KNBR The Sports Leader
"jason tatum" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"Run of the season is over night, Dave whispered in my ear. They're that's the creative Tony Brain in Crawford. Stat of the day for those of you in the know they know that creative Tony here at the leader, not a big support, not a big supporter of Brandon Crawford's offense, Anyway. Good morning to you Happy Wednesday, Do you, Adam Coping with you? The leadoff spot is where every weekday 5 to 6 a.m. lots to get to today. Of course, the Giants with wind over Cincinnati yesterday, they're back at it again today this afternoon by the way tomorrow Really early game A 9 35 1st pitch breakfast with the Giants right here on the sports leader. That's tomorrow morning, but we did get one more afternoon slate and afternoon till today, which you carry of this. It'll be right up against that early Western Conference, the great 9 10 game that we get in the Western Conference. We got a good one yesterday. It would that get 1 44 1 17 the final in the Portland I didn't Charlotte game yesterday. So Charlotte out Honestly, Portland Pacers. I should say Indiana Pacers over the Charlotte Hornets. Pacers now into the next round of the play in tournament, they're going to go up. Actually, because the Boston Celtics won yesterday, a hell of a victory for the Boston Celtics over the Wizards won 18 100. Now you're gonna get Pacers and wizards playing it out for that eight seed. So that's how things shook out yesterday. We also have to get into a little bit later. The Tony LaRussa year mean Mercedes situation, my trout. We find out how long he's gonna be out for, so we get a lot of fun stuff to get to this morning, but really, it's gonna be all about The MBA tonight because all eyes I think you're gonna be on Steph Curry and LeBron James. And I'm looking at this matchup like you Look, Lakers warriors, or I just you would get the rosters and you look at the top two guys on each of these teams. Stephan LeBron. And it looks more like you should be a Western Conference. Final matchup right Looks more like this should be two teams competing or two guys who were competing to go to the NBA finals, not competing to see who gets a date with the Phoenix Suns. Right? Because, really, that's what you're playing for here. So looking at the Celtics game yesterday, I don't want to say that's indicative of what could happen here because Bradley Beal is a better player than LeBron James is the Washington Wizards are a different team that the L A Lakers are, however, when I look at the Celtics and I looked at the adversity that they faced this year and They had their Batman in there, Robert. They had Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. Two guys, two young guys who look like they could be around for a really long time. Jason Tatum. 22 years old 23 years old goes for 50 points last night, He scores almost half the points for the Boston Celtics and you look at ESPN this morning in the headline for them, or one of the sub headlines. For them is the Celtics have Jason Tatum? But will it be enough to beat the Nets? And I figured you could pull out nets in certain Lakers. You could pull out Tatum in search Steph Curry, and that's what everybody's talking about in the Western Conference side, too. So While this is not the end all be all for the Warriors and the Lakers, and the chances that both end up as the seventh and the eighth Still pretty darn good, because I've gotta believe whoever wins that game is going to take out the winner. Excuse me. Whoever loses this game is gonna be able to take out the winner of Memphis. In San Antonio, the ESPN experts doing my air quotes here, Dave You d ESPN x of all the experts. I was looking at some of the athletic guys this morning to overwhelmingly they're taking the Lakers. They're taking the Memphis Grizzlies, which would be the warms warriors would get another match up with the Grizz. Another opportunity for John Moran Toe lock in against Steph Curry. Anyway, they didn't use a media yesterday. We'll get you some of the post game or some of the post practice sound from Steve Kurgan from Steph Curry. Now they didn't play the Lakers all that well this year. They also did not see Anthony Davis this year. Which makes things a little funky, and Steve Kerr was asked about that at practice yesterday, like, Can you pull anything away from from those films studies? Can you learn anything about the Lakers? Can you figure out how they might defense staff and basically you've got to come in with the mindset that they're going to throw everything they have the kitchen sink in at all at Steph Curry just give him different looks given different defenders bumped him make him uncomfortable because he's gonna have to go off. He's gonna have to carry this team tonight. Like he has all season long. Marcus Thompson with great long Steph Curry piece on the building. Of the scoring champion for the 2020 2021 seasons. So give that a Reed in the athletic but again coming back to the Celtics game last night is not indicative of anything, but I'm watching this and I'm thinking about the supporting cast her Kemba Walker 29 points in this game. So Camba and Jason Tatum combined for 79 together if this game for the cell together what he t the score's 79 of the points, which is bananas for two guys to do. We've seen Steph do things like that alongside guys like Clay Thompson. The question is Can anybody else step up in this game? Could anybody else is anybody else on the roster capable of giving Steph the 29 tonight? The answer? I think the obvious answer would be Andrew Wiggins. Now can he stay attacking Katie knock down a shot. He is games where he's on fire, and he's just sort of walks himself into 20 points. And you don't really notice until you looked up at the end of the game. You gotta well 14 shots. 20 points. Not a bad game for Andrew Wiggins. They're gonna be two way wigs tonight. They're gonna need them to be electric on the defensive side of the ball. Place him locked down. Neither also really going to need him to be an offensive support or an offensive crutch. For Steph Curry. You also are walking into this game with a much different team as far as experienced ghost. Steve Kerr talked about that a little bit yesterday after practice. Also, he was asked. I thought this was a good question to remember who was Anthony Slater or our West Goldberg of the Chronicle asked him about when he made the change a few weeks back. Put Kent based more on the starting line up and why the option was can't days more and not a guy like Jordan Pool or not, Damien lied. Obviously did release dealt with the cove. It breakthrough out where the covert breakthrough after having the the tech the vaccine, so he's been out for a period of time. But it was the thought that he could have gone to somebody else didn't have to be kept based more on his thought process was pretty simple, can base Moore's been around for a long time? He's got the most experience. We wanted to spark plug like Jordan pool. I'll be able to step off the bench and come in and just look for good shots look for wide open lanes trying to drive in and and help this team offensively because that was the big problem was yet defense. When Steph left the floor was a factor, But there how many times early in the year, I guess is what I'm trying to say. And did Steph leave the floor with an 11 point lead and then come back and it was gone and they were trailing or leave the floor with an eight point lead and come back and they're up by one like it leads would dissipate when Steph left the floor, and so at the end of the season, curl was able Say, Hey, we're gonna get this guy some more work. We're gonna bring him back to the games earlier, expand his minutes a little bit at the end of the game at the end of the put him in a little earlier in the.