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Suffer Candy with Jason Nelson

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Suffer Candy with Jason Nelson

"Hey everyone welcome disag- outside podcasts. Dennis for started a dislike to ask. If you've been enjoying our shows please leave us review by selecting all stars wherever you get your podcast. Thanks today Kevin. And I are joined by Jason Nelson and all around bad ass climber putting up ice climbing first ascents in Alaska Norway and his hometown of Colorado just to name a few rock climbing resume includes a twelve and a half hour ascent of the nose of El Capitan in Yosemite National Park which took the first essentially a total of forty seven days to complete so without further. Ado please enjoy our conversation with Jason Nelson. This is seek outside crew today on the podcast. We have Jason Nelson. Jason is a guidebook author adventurer. He's done some pretty cool stuff on a climbing lot of mixed climbing. I at Grafton. How're you doing today? Jason? I'm doing great. So why don't you go ahead and tell us a little bit about some of the stuff you've been up to? Yes so most recently I've been involved in writing well. One of the projects Is Been writing some ice climbing guidebooks and The ones for actually even Colorado has been out of date so I decided to take the torch and move forward on that and last last fall we came out with suffer candy volume one And that covers your ace Silverton telluride Kinda General Vicinity And you know Kinda thinking I would do the whole state or a large part of the state but just those three towns took up over four hundred pages so I guess I'm going to be doing serious type books I probably won't end up covering the entire state but we'll take it one at a time and the next one is going to be kind of like a rifle junction lemay so lake city areas and It's hard to know exactly how much I'll fit in until I actually get into the layout stage and WanNa you know have the guidebook so you can actually carry it to decline so make sure don't put too much in it. Sets been extra training. Wait for everybody to carry around. Yeah nobody wants like an extra ten pounds and they're packed to guidebook. So I try to keep it like you know so sits in there with all the other care but in then the the title of the Book Is Suffer Candy. Yeah we'RE WE'RE ZAKUM. Come from where like my girlfriend carly came up with that. I have to give her credit as trying to how. Come up with some western references and you know other literary references but none seemed to be like I guess like mainstream enough to where like most of the audience would get it Like I Wanted to reference one of my favorite books blood Meridian. But you know this probably only I don't know small percentage of the audience. It's actually read that so it's kind of a exercise in creative utility but Currently came up with and once. He said it of like. That's perfect. That's it it. You know really embodies ice climbing a lot of ways that you know they're suffering it's cold it's scary can be dangerous but then you know the rewards are sweet like Indie so we kind kinda knew. We had that as soon as she said it. So is there a climb out there? That's called suffer candy or have you put one up there isn't I guess I need to put one up. Yeah in for for our listeners to that don't necessarily know the climbing world You're GONNA find very unique names for a lot of clients out there in the world. There's climbed all over the place. Sometimes their local specific but usually the first ascension est who climbed the route. I will put up We'll give it a name in typically that name you now is either very obscure or very Very descriptive of the climb. But usually it's it's pretty unique so yeah back. Yeah they would have boring names like north face or the South Ridge and then think As crime and got more popular like in the perhaps some influence on the drug culture of the sixties and seventies too but the names tended to get a lot more interesting During that time and they cover everything from comedic to sexual references to what they had for breakfast. That day like they're all over the board but it can be kind of fun to look into the climbing names in the stories behind like. Sometimes it's kind of you can find out about what's happening in the first ascension. This might just based on the route named entertaining. So what is your goal when you sit down to write a guidebook as to give a very accurate and detailed description or is it to give something that is broad enough that people can kind of find their own art in it but they know the generalities of it. That's a good question So you know the the idea to write the guidebook with sort of like you know came long after lived in the rape per for twenty years almost at that point and so I've been gaining photos and gone and done most of these climbs and so I kind of felt I had the experience and qualifications to start assembling all of Info and writing it down so they gave me like a big head start And then in regards to like You know what information can put in there. You know a lot of the information. I got from like books. There's now stuff online and from talking to people and you get wildly different stories wildly different. We call like difficulty ratings. You know some people are like. Oh it's easy and summer. Oh it's the hardest thing ever so yeah really become Decision making process to like. Okay how do I represent the climb and then you know for me and it tried to fit all this information. Reas- reasonable side sites guidebook. I tried to like clout as much strenuous info as well but still keep it colorful and preferably So yeah I'm trying to weigh the balance of different opinions. Some maybe some personal experiences color and at the same China you know trying to whittle it down and in this like Nice neat little space so it doesn't take up like three pages when you you know you need to fit like five hundred crimes in there. So it's a little bit of everything like I. I don't want to give away the whole. Climb our like a fun surprise but you know what people to have a safe experience and be prepared for. Because that's why they buy the guidebook now. Put some couple of climbs in there that you know there's just not much information out there and it probably only been done once or twice And you know it's hard to make that clear but it gives people you know like. Hey there's an inch adventure to be had up there. Hope you can find it and with ice climbs. Sometimes they form up some years and sometimes a decade or more could go by before they form up again. So it's you know it's Kinda like there's still a lot of adventure left for people yet. That would be actually kind of an interesting thing with ice. It's it's a lot more It's a lot less static than say rock or other types of thing because it depends so much on the weather and stuff as well correct. Yeah entirely and you know. I think people who've I crime enough get to know. It's really more conditions dependent than it is great like difficulty grade dependent by grade. I mean we signed like numbers to how hard we think something is and the nice climbing they generally go on this curve like how steep it is or how sustain but they can completely change from a you know a little bit of ice that just started in the fall to come spring it might be huge and soft and or even like a nice kind. It's been done. A couple of times gets remarkably easier than before it's been climbed before So yeah there's there's all kinds of adventure left to be had for those reading the guidebook you know like the the experience is not predetermined so because it changes like most ice cons change from year to year like you have a guidebook. You obviously build in to that like hey. This hasn't formed in the last five years or something. You're telling people you know that information I would imagine right on that. Maybe I tried to put that in there. I mean you can't ever like measure or even remember a lot of cases. It's like remember ice forum there one year and it was a decade ago and then my add like seldom forming or ice has formed here in the past. And Look. You're lucky and you can experience so when it does come and go get it. 'cause it might fall down once. The Sun comes out charity regularly. Do you get people that hit you up As the author read they'll send you messages and be like. Hey what's this year or what's it like right now. Yeah Yeah so well I think a lot of that has actually deferred to like baseball groups. I mean I certainly get a little bit of it but And I take part in the facebook groups And there's always a little bit of what's the word localism that occurs like you know locals. Don't want to let all of the secrets out of the bag. So that you know certain things. Don't get this huge influx of people But I try to share. You know what what I think either won't like upset others or well really you know. I'm selfish on go. Climate and then I'll share it with people doesn't matter guy just checked on. It looks great. Yeah well if I've only seen it then I won't say it but or got plans to do it and then once I did like I was great. Go get it how fun it's Going out and doing climbs before they've been conned a lot because well you got a lot bigger challenge And you Kinda get to choose pass whereas once they've been climbed to bunch where you swing your ice axe the the holes of sort of formed already and you end up inadvertently following other people's pass which you know. I it kind of lessons difficulty. So sometimes you're happy for that but that raw natural fight you know special into for people that might not know or have gone ice climbing you. What you're saying is if somebody does it before you they've they've already kind of put holes in the ice and say when you're looking at it you can be like It's obviously easier for me to put my ice tool in here because there's already a whole versus having to kind of make a whole myself. Yeah save a lot of energy so even if some things then climbed once like I do WanNa be the second person and even having the pick holes from the first person makes it significantly easier. You probably won't be able to find every single one but you know even a third of them is going to make it a bit easier. Now there's situations where you know you have melt and freeze or waters flowing over and now a cover up and read the holes for the next day But yeah and General Ed. What the more climb has been done. It usually teams here in easier. Easier and easier not as climate change sort of change some of these climbs over time to like ten years ago. This was always an and now. It's not a question you know. There's a lot of factors that seem to affect what how and when I come in and I think there's you know a lot of local discussion and to you know what's GonNa make for good icier or what's GonNa you know. Make some climber all excited about come in this year I'm sometimes we think it's like you know. General Moisture in the crown in times of drought tend to not yield is good. Ice Climbing obviously Sometimes it's like a wet fall there things where I think like he got all this groundwater moving and the spill over out cliff's which makes the ice crimes but if it gets too cold those groundwater seeps sometimes seem to freeze up and I don't know if the water goes other places or it's just frozen solid for the winter So you never know. And then there's weird things like maybe like housing developments will start pulling from a water source or something else and then my cut it off A lot of the stuff male is Comes out of mine shafts here because the you know the rocky mountains have so much water in them or the same on the plug all these mine shafts as you guys know water starts pouring out of those things and that can make ice kind and then you have mine remediation coming in and plugging those holes and climb stop so there's all kinds of weird factor so it's climate change will probably have an effect but there's all these other moving pieces to very dynamic. Yeah like Canada. I think they tend to have like because it's colder there. You get more of like running water that freezes. Importance is in Colorado often. Have like melt free cycle so especially here where there's like upper bowls basins the snow the catch son and that you know even on a cold day as we know the sound will make the snow melt here and then it drains pores on a cliff down lower normally low that basin. And that's where we get our ice climbs And that happens on a smaller scale to. It's just a little Kelly The snow melt reform and climb now. You've done instruction or guiding as well haven't you're clinics in the past? Yeah so I I don't know kinds of things but I've taught lots of clinics at various ice fast. you're a fast bozeman? Nice past I've also been gone a little bit of ice climbing guiding but not much recently. I've been working with The Valdez I festival in Alaska Helping them rig all the ropes. The Ice Festival. It's kind of challenging job up there because the we're dealing with like seven hundred foot climbs and for the clinics. We only want to use the bottom hundred twenty feet or so we kinda have to lead up and rig all the ropes in the morning because otherwise we'll get frozen overnight so it's a bit of a chore to To prepare for that like no one had night. We gotta go to ropes down to Been involved in that and then they also do rope access which is Most of the time. It's like construction type stuff where Workers need to repel off a building and I helped rig and instruct them on how to do it and it's it's similar climbing except that usually going down instead about because you can take the elevator to the top of the building most cases Similar ISH equipment and techniques but kind of its own little op shoot and I've also done some Kenya nearing guiding which Has Its own staff meeting set of both Ethics and thought processes is in Roper to their approached a rope work is completely different than industrial rope access and it's completely different than rock climbing An ice climbing. So it's fascinating to see all these different approaches to conduct solving similar but different problems. You can you. Can you touch on that a little bit like for canyoneering For people would be going down. Usually these kind of rock shoots or repelling off of faces for multiple repels than maybe hiking out another drainage and then going down so you're just kinda always going down But it's IT'S INTERESTING. Yup to communities like the difference like you said like they do things completely different maybe than climbers. Would you just give one example of how try to touch on it in a way that like everybody will understand so one of the obvious ones? Is that especially like in rock climbing? There's generally less risk tolerance for when it comes to repelling We've liked to put the risk into the climbing part. And then when it comes down we WANNA have very secure anchors To repel off and that might mean a bolts or things around a tree. Something like that Oftentimes like equipment is left behind or permanently in place for that. When it comes to canyoneering on the well bumped up ICE CLIMBING. I I tend to have a little bit. Looser risk tolerance when it comes to repelling like ice climbers. We're happy to repel up the skinny little tree Under the assumption that it's frozen in the ground More so than say A rock climber and the ice anchors call Beatrix kind of freak people out although they're they're usually pretty safe When it comes to canyoneering So Popular Canyon will often have bolted anchors and that I would say like having gear left in place For you know areas that are heavily traffic to repel down but on areas. That are less heavily. Traffic gets to be like a stricter canyoneering ethic and it's more of a leave no trace ethic In most cases and they do they got some bizarre things Like does it. The the most notable I can think of is a what's called the sand trap banker and they do this out in the desert Kenyans and it's tarp you you like put sand in the tarp and then you fold it over and you're able to create enough friction And wait with the sand in the tarp that you know you're able to hold somebody's body weight while they repel up the cliff and then there tends to be a second rope that comes up there. Now they're doing like a single row propel and they're sorta like pull line that unfolds the tarp and is able to empty the sand out and the whole thing pulls down and Probably Ninety nine percent of the people they think that's totally nuts and suicidal System seems to work. I haven't tried it myself Righty of other bizarre systems. They have like another one to `fiddlesticks where it's like a cotter pin almost in this your health system So that repel down single line and again you pull a another line and the whole anchor just like untie itself and falls down and you have to really make sure that that doesn't happen while you're repelling or you're going these kind of like thought processes would like blow the minds of most rock climbers That are used to like a bolted. Anchor so it's it's interesting. How Adventures put into the sport. You know I guess. I climbers don't like to have a lot of adventure in their repels. There doesn't need to be but canyoneering. That's kind of like the core part of the sport you repelling these big spaces and they love it. Grammars love going up so I it's interesting and you might be a slippery waterfall with a whole host of other villages in the canyoneering environment oil. Oh Yeah can you. Nearing can make repelling pretty yet. Well I guess adventurous or potentially dangerous. Zip waters hit new from a waterfall. That usually it's cold at least around here until your breath away and then it's also you know you're losing your footwork trying to push you upside down It can get quite uncomfortable in what was the name of the the sand Tarp it's called the sand trap anchored and you can look it up on. Youtube is probably the most entertaining way. Watch people repelling off these things and I think they're nuts. It's encouraging critter. When you go check it out at least once threatened. Be like okay. I mean not that. That's the best definition of canyoneering bet. it'll show you something. Just kinda crazy well. I think it's a good like that like Example of the thought process of by the leave no trace and they a very interesting technical solution to you know accomplish like leave no trace down canyon And then the you know Kenyans are also rapidly changing not quite as fast as nice climb but more so than say a rock climb because they have you know they flash flood which means logs get moved and boulders get moved in them and that can wipe out any existing anchors. There's all kinds of Water levels will make a big difference in the canyon to if a pot holes full of water that you need to cross That may totally change the techniques. You need to use to get through it. Especially in the southwest. You also have the risk of flash flooding within specific canyons and stuff as well. So it's it's got a lot of variables. Yeah I got surprised with the PLAS. Flood wants And it was. It was pretty scary like you. You were you're in a like canyoneering so we I was Guiding a group of Eighth Graders I think from Kentucky and That morning actually had a conversation with my The lead guide and the boss. I'm like you know Wendy Wendy. Call the trip off. And he's like oh I pretty much never called one off in this canyon and It's really safe and such. There's all these various escapes out of the Canyon and I was like Oh okay. Great so I'll tell you what we're hiking up. You know to start the Canyon and it's raining as we hike up. Maybe it started raining when we got there regardless of Rian for like twenty minutes and we stopped and had some food and get the kids out of the water and stuff and And it was nice again. So we're like. Oh all right cool. Everything seem safe and You know there's no obvious warning signs So we started down the Canyon and It was short beginner canyon to it's not like particularly extreme But we did like a real short repel into this cool little like I guess you'd call it a groom Where it's a tight slot. It's probably like six feet wide or something I think. Put my hands on either side span the gap and got like a couple of kids down in there and we were kind of it up so that they would have another short repel to get out. I had like four kids in there and one of the instructors and all of a sudden we could hear this like sound coming down the canyon. I think I overheard a voice of some other canyoneering party. Going like over. Here comes the water and It was like somebody turned a faucet on and what was dry canyon now became a creek so water poured into our room and filled it up and it was only I dunno calf deep or something because the then poured out the next one But it happened pretty fast. No okay I'm back Happen fast and you know. Got The kids out of there by lowering and lower them down through the waterfall so they kind of like extreme experienced than they bargained for and by the time. I got them all out. The water had stopped pouring. And you know it was Kinda. It was scary. But there's nothing like there was no extreme hazards Aside from like you know the imagine potential But it's definitely a shot across the bow In terms of you know worrying about that And thinking about that for future future judgment calls How long do you think it took from the time? It's quit raining to the water. Actually getting to you. It was probably half an hour an hour because these were all like kids like the first time repelling Her to get yeah. It was probably know by the time. We got him like geared up and then there so it must have just been enough time for this like sandstone based on all the little bits water. You know to gather up and come down and it wasn't you know wasn't that far wasn't that big of a basement. I guess you'd say In terms of South West became It wasn't like you know. Twenty miles of base in or anything it was probably like a mile or two maybe probably mile Above us that continued so Yeah that kind of stuff can Certainly catch you off guard and they tell that story just because like I want to say like it can happen to everybody like even if you feel like you're know what you're doing and you feel like you're making good judgement calls and you've done your research get surprised now you've also done some more remote stuff like in Alaska. I know you you used to at least go area and do a lot of first climbs and stuff as well. Yeah starting in two thousand and nine A friend of mine who was on Outdoor research team with me Said Hey WANNA go up to Juno I got a friend up there and Supposed to be some great rock climbing like story. That sounds great. We got some. You know little bit of information against started and you know turned out. I get stuck in the tent for a week and I hate this guy. Then you know. I haven't had a Lotta time to get to know him anyway so up because you never know fear right you go somewhere and you get stuck in the tent for a while you might like the longer be out the other side and I'd say that a little bit jokingly but So we went out there and we ended up staying with Ryan. Johnson The connection Blake and I had an amazing trip. We flew up and we got We did like four big routes and five days and three of which refers to send out on the Mendenhall Towers and he was like twelve hundred foot faces that stick up out of the ice deal. It's a really dramatic setting All around you you see. Like glacier and rock spire sticking out then you can see all the way down to the kind of the Ocean. But it's just the inside passage way 'cause they're still islands full mountains all over the place it's a bit like never never So we had a fantastic trip and Ryan was like. Hey man you gotta come back and go ice climbing knew I loved ice cutting and like all right cool so a couple of years later. I showed up with my ice gear and We went out and And which trip was this And we went to a place called Bart Lake and we found some big first ascents one thousand feet vertical. The whole way with no alleges. They came back a couple of years later and we did this. Really cool boat trip for we We chartered a boat for a week. We had a crew of like six. Six climbers and went back into tracy arm FJORD. What's on that? Boat is about a five hour boat ride from Juno and Juno has no roads going to it. So we're just like that's how far you know out in the Wilderness. We were And I think we saw like one other boat on the way in there maybe the whole trip And at. I we didn't see any ice because it's it's coastal and you're right on the water And but the the cloud wear layer was low. We like flow today. And we're like oh no. We got skunk. You know we got like six people together here and we're paying all this money and there's no ice But the next morning With a because the what is it fewer so deep anchor the Bowdoin that we'd have to like drive it in and out each day So we're driving in early in the morning and Ryan comes down and wakes me up and he's like J. K. You GotTa Come See. This brings me up on deck and we look out and you know appear on the Fjord side. You callers huge cliff. He giant three stripes vice coming down. Like oh wow crap we gotta get ready. We're going to go climb this And it took US three attempts to get up and climbed that thing. Just figuring out the approach and What else just the first couple pitches were kinda like half raw. Did Not really in and sorting logistics and in our third try. We finally were able to complete the whole face Then they had a number of other Trips up there with Ryan both rock climbing and ice climbing And then unfortunately he passed away. I think it's been two years ago now on the Mendenhall Towers They finished a a big Ice Klein. Ryan had dreaming for. She's probably about a decade. I remember am showing pictures of it to me and talking about it kind of little sad. I didn't get the call to go do with them But they finish the root and then they walked across the top and beautiful day and then as they were descending. We don't know exactly what happened. But we assume like a coroner's might have broken off the summit ridge and push them into and Crevasse and They were pretty much gone after that So but to Ryan. I met a lot of friends Juno and so I have this like community that you know far away up there and You know I still go back and you know. I see Ryan's parents and my friends and do other adventures With less this last summer carly and I were hoping to do a another versus rock climbing I to send out there and we had crap weather but we had brought back crafts And being new to background things like couple years for me. I'm so we brought him just like a backup plan. We the pack crafting and it turns out. There's great crafting. Juno you can hike up to the two of a glacier and he put your boat in and then you look down the river back to the road and Made for lots of adventure thrills and laughs and good times so yeah. That's that's my Juno gets stories so that just tack rafting seems to be a theme of ours that were were running into all these people. That are pack rafting What kind of got you started down. That road Well I can't you know I grew up in Maine and New Hampshire so being around. Water was natural thing not so much Whitewater but we had lakes and ponds and the ocean And so that was kind of my youth. I guess I'd say and then I did a little bit of Kayaking Inc probably around two thousand or so maybe left. I moved here a and Add some shoulder dislocation issues so I decided that it seemed unpredictable and dropped out of the boating seen before I got into it And then a friend of Mine Lizzy scully. Who had just started working out PACA? It's like oh you gotta come try it and I was like all right all right. I'll crafting and sure enough. It was Super Fun and wasn't long before I was ordering my ipad craft and Planning Pack Rafting Adventures with friends and trying to like get to know some of the community After you know spending much of my life focused on climbing for twenty or so years I was certainly ready to have some influences and other ideas like climbing was starting to feel like Carnac going down to do the same thing. He can. A lot of work. Chaining the keep climbing a harder grade all the time or even the same heart grades. I I used to Crafting is opened up. This whole new world where I can go down rivers and even as I got back and forth Colorado I I've looked at the cliffs millions and millions of times now and now I can look at the rivers to look at you know the the rapids conditions and kind of a whole new thing to get excited about. Have you have you mixed climbing in? Pack Rafting. His pack rafting open up any climbing free. I actually have. I've mixed pack Hughes aircraft to get the ice climbs which is Kinda funny And that idea. I guess initially started on the trip. I did to Norway with Stephen Bear winger. I hadn't been there but he had been a few times and the of climbing there ready. And he's like yeah we're gonNA bring paths to you know. Go access these crimes across the fjords that you can't it. I'm like well that sounds interesting. You know getting getting an inflatable boat in the winter in northern Norway way about within the Arctic Circle with a bunch of sharp things like news like oh I forget. The climbers new some teams guy. Yeah he did it on like an S. U. P. and like cross. It can't be that bad and I'm like yeah. We're talking like winter. Water temperatures and stuff but okay. I'll go along with it and we did. We brought the pack up all around but then ended up using MS to Wendy to bring him out on the More recently like you know down the line after I bought my own and everything I bet like in Glenwood Canyon. You gotta like paddle across the Colorado River reach some climbs And things of that nature Yeah going out and cold water. Like a whole `nother level of danger but It also allows you to access things even like close to the road that most people can't get to so they're not going to be crowded or Hacked out we say So yeah I haven't met mixed it with rock climbing yet but I'm sure I will before long. Sure at least as access you start you know you put you wait. Say like you bring too much gear and you start limiting what you can do. Although the Grand Canyon impact crafts this winter and found you can actually put a lot weight in one of those both And they'll still perform well so we had to. We're almost self supported bike but just the crafts we had one big raft So boats were loaded to the hill and I could like not even really pick my not by myself so it's pretty heavy And you did the whole Grand Canyon. This winter then. Yeah Yeah Charlie. Yeah now. I am busy and Group we had a party of six. That went down And if you're wondering what doing the Grand Canyon like is in the winter which I certainly was too We drove out there in a blizzard. Thinking like this seems like Oh shit idea And there was no right up until I think we got to lease Berry. That was pretty concerned like two weeks. After sixteen days we had planned on being on. The river is a lot and winter camping for sixteen days. Really even being an ice climber doesn't sound awesome especially like get you know splashing through huge scary wave trains and rapids But it turned out not being that bad like we had snow up until we got to. Lee's ferry and it was cold and things were freezing there but once you get into canyon. It was definitely more temperate But the bigger hazard aside might just note on us a hair down there. We just lower elevation. We've mostly had like reasonable conditions but just being like in and out of the water all day and getting wet and dunked. Of course you'd get terrified to those waves are so big That like there's a lot lot of parts of the Canyon where the sun just doesn't even shine so you don't have the opportunity to dry your stuff out So between that and the heavy due early in the morning like we're really dealing with wet clothes and hence and all that kind of stuff And that was a super damper on the site and comfort level. But do you know Lupu Stoves are actually certified for done in the Grand Canyon? No I was wishing I had brought one because that would have made all the difference between like being able to dry stuff out like while we were sleeping And without sunshine kicking myself on that one. Yeah it's funny because you know we don't really look at herself as a as a water company but you're the third person I think we've had on his done the Grand Canyon in the winter and we've we've also had people on like John Welt used to do these sixteen day trips in western Alaska where he would make his own raft. Everything and then. You're yeah this was like back in the eighties before there was really. Gps or pack rats even really existed He would make his own and go up there. And it's kind of funny because incur- maybe the fourth or fifth personnel Had does has done pack rafting more than or than a couple times. We had been Brochu on. He's had some pack rafting adventures and misadventures as well So Yeah it's pretty interesting fortunate experience to be like in with the pack crew. So they like you know the the folks who build them So I get invited on some pretty neat trips and then of course you know. I seem to find a couple of interesting ones to create on my own. Now this passing talk. Maybe makes me really really think I need to get a pack rafter? If you got the money to throw at it they can certainly be a lot of fun. And then like for me when I you know I like to travel internationally in go different places but having done so a lot and having a lot of different experiences like most of them were centered around climbing and I did a number of chips that you know where I didn't go climbing. I really struggled with entertainment You know end up spending a lot of time online during the trip trying to figure out what to do in these different areas And it's really hard to do something. That's not a tour And I don't like tours. Because they tend to not have any adventure and other people are often inventory group or not fit. And don't have the same thirst for adventure that I do so by going to cost a lot and then the museum satisfied So having a pack after I find I can go to these like international places and you know even just hopping on an easy river in totally new places. Fun Enough Like I took one to Thailand and we did a couple of rivers before the the lightweight paddle. We had broken half. And we're able to do anymore. He went a little too light but I really gave us something like totally wild and crazy adventures to do one of the things ended up being like an irrigation canal. And there's all these like. Bamboo bungee sticks sticking out of it and All kinds of strangers and walking through Banana Fields Porta. Jing all kinds of bizarre things. I just you know the the level of venture I wind been able to find Without having a tool like a pack rat and they you know they pack up the size of a sleeping bag so you ability to take them even like on. A plane is super simple So that that ticket to that like since the freedom and adventures you know worth a lot to me that's So Yeah I WANNA go somewhere without climbing the next thing. I'm GONNA look like oh. Pat Crap obviously So yeah you should go get one. That's the short answer is short answer. I need one for sure. I can loan you one mine in some time if you WanNa just give it a whirl TAC. Yeah there's plenty of stuff I could do here in dysfunction junction. Oh yes the Colorado River right in town is a good like easy beginner kind of terrain to the sample the goods and even like the river. Junction how I sort of see it. A lot of times is that you're going through like kind of an industrial part of Grand Junction along the Colorado River. But there's enough like bushes and things you don't really see most of the industry and so you're paddling through Thompson and it kind of feels like you're almost out in the desert wilderness. Or at least it's a totally different perspective and experience There's a few homeless camps along the river to which India makes it less wilderness but the green techniques junction experiences totally changed by being on the water. Yeah absolutely places. Yeah you wouldn't even like you're so used to seeing just seeing it from that other perspective is it's like going there for the first time again so back to the guidebooks. How long does it take? You liked time. Commitment was to put together say a four hundred page guide book. It's kind of a massive amount of hours. I haven't ever measured I'd be curious but I also don't want to accept talk me out of doing it. Earn a Living Kevin. You might be like wow. I make two bucks an hour great. Yeah I might think that So you know I haven't been able to get a whole bunch of photos and stuff at the area in the years leading up to the actual writing part Super Beneficial I guess I would say like to get photos and write. It really gets spanned out of several years with most of the work being done in one year and I still have other work. I do so it's always like juggling it kind of in my free time But I guess I would say like kind of a couple years with the months leading up to sending it up to print being pretty intense There's a lot of last minute. It's sort of like the eighty twenty rule That gets thrown out a lot. That like final twenty percent seems to be really like eighty percent of the effort in turn all the little things you forgot and the the things the printers need And then you know you're trying to gather Last minute contact contracts and content and You're also working on like ad sales Coming up put the money to get a printed and trying to get interest. You know an selling it takes about what is it. A couple of months to get permitted So I kind of have to plan you know like for an ice climbing guidebook. I WANNA get it out in the beginning of winter. They really need to be finishing almost midsummer Or later in the summer. It always goes longer than I hope it's GonNa to in terms of like you know trying to get it out for one date There's so much back and forth. And he tells that creep up So yeah it's probably oh I don't know what thousand hours or something easy. I'm not really sure I know I tried to make it fun though. Like for this You know this is coming on now. Going out tried to explore these new ice climbing ice climbing. So they haven't done before so that makes it interesting and then taking pictures and GPS notes and All of that so the process you know it's not I'll just work. Try to involves a lot of adventures to lead up to the the actual book. So it's kind of fun guilty fund in that way right now. I mean. You're actually a photographer in video log. Refer as well on top of all this. So it's it's not like you're just climbing you bring a lot of other pieces to it. Yeah having to bring you know my bigger camera out along on some of the ice climbing trips is a little bit of a drag. It's it takes better photos but some of my friends are really fast. Hikers and Checking the camera equipment along with the ice climbing equipment and then you know six four and over two hundred pounds so all my stuff is bigger too. And so my my clothes way more and my boots way more and all that kind of stuff And I know I'm getting into excuses but yeah I ended up huffing and puffing and trying to manage a lot more and you WANNA run ahead to try to get you know a certain photo and then you know. You'RE ALL GASSER. Matt pulling the camera out and open and does a fog up and then they they walked past you and you pack all your gear up and you gotta run back and catch up to them again It's a lot but I also am a commercial pilot. So one of that's been a great tool both for checking out ice conditions But also getting photos for the guidebook I can find my own know from the comfort of the car and a lot of cases and not have to post hole up the side of a mountain. Get One photo. So you said you're using that to to kind of scout you're able to see if they're in without ever having. Yeah so this you know. There's a lot of ice climbs you can see from the road but there's a lot you can't they might be tucked back in. Canyon or over the hill Just far enough back. So if I'm in Like permitted airspace. I'll just stay at the car and I can find my join up and you know. Get a pretty good. You know. High Res- photo That I can then you know zoom in on and take a look at the ice conditions Nca that's worth hiking up there. Not It's been a fantastic tool crazy phase me a lotta time then. I'm like okay. Well that one's not Dano drive down the road and we'll go do some other ice climb or Around no I. Can you know? Keep coming back and check on conditions. Uproot an implying my drone each time instead of you know hiking for hours I get plenty of exercise with only other adventure so I'm not missing out on anything. Just both toiling through the forest for to get one auto character building enough. Experience that yeah. I don't need to do it all the time. Police horrible I agree. So where can people find out more about you jason so I gotTa Website Visual Adventures Dot Com? It's kind of been my my business and art site So my photography is on there. You can purchase guidebooks the suffer candy volume. One is to your area. There's a rock hunting one to your area as well With the IT's coming greater St. once called crimes of the Million Dollar Highway Those are also in many of the Colorado mountaineering shops not every single one but a lot and You can instagram is visual adventures. If you just want to follow along on my adventures in a simpler fashion awesome in So via visual ventures will follow you on instagram right. Now go find you go pretty regularly post various you know photos from Raynham Adventures. So you'll get a span of a pack rafting climbing and whatever well these days cooking 'cause the adventure. It's been trimmed a bit with the Kobe. Thing inside the house. Yeah exactly okay. Well I appreciate you taking the time thanks.

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BTS #27 Austin Flohrschutz MS of TruPotency on CBD Product Fraud, Safety Testing, Salvia Research

The Curious About Cannabis Podcast

1:05:55 hr | 4 months ago

BTS #27 Austin Flohrschutz MS of TruPotency on CBD Product Fraud, Safety Testing, Salvia Research

"Hi I'm Austin. Floor shoots I am the director of science true potency DOT com. You're listening to curious about canvas podcasts. Everybody Jason Nelson curious about cannabis podcast. Thanks so much for tuning in once again. so today I'm joined by Austin floor shoots. A scientific director with a company called true potency that they see products, but the reason. I was attracted to them to talk to them. Today is because they do extensive third party testing on CD products to try to see how products hold up against their claims. So thanks so much Austin for being willing to come on the PODCAST Appreciate you having me on? It's a great opportunity to kind of get some knowledge different perspective than some of your other. Artists or I guess a guests on the show. Yeah totally yeah. I think we'll have. Plenty to talk about especially with testing, background and everything. There's all sorts of fun stuff. I'm interested to dive into. For people that aren't familiar with true potency, because you guys kind of started fairly recently the end of last year that right yet. You mind just kind of explaining a little bit about kind of how true potency came together and kind of what your mission is and everything. Yes so true potency kind of came together around this idea, the there's a lot of bad CD products out. There the kind of original article, Seventeen article published in the Journal of American, Medical Association, essentially estimated about seventy percent of products are mislabeled out there. So this could be say a one thousand milligram tincture, and maybe it only has five hundred milligrams in. It has fifteen hundred milligrams in it. You know you don't want to little and you don't want too much if you're trying to use this as medication. And there's definitely other studies. It kinda showed us that there's a lot of. Bad product out there that are mislabeled on the market for sale. And, so we kinda wanted to jump in and help kind of. Do these rigorous tests that the companies are supposed to be doing but arm and to make available products that. We think. Are Legitimate. They are labeled correctly, and they also have you know potentially interesting other compounds in their other cabinet find any tests In so that's how it came to be Israeli to give confidence to the consumer that what they're buying and consuming as safe to consume. And what is your role? Specifically withdrew potency as the science director. So I do a lot of. Kind of directs the testing of all of this Zo. We use a lot of the same labs that are used in saying medical marijuana recreational marijuana All essentially get sample in prepared to be sent out to these labs. To be tested in I interpret the results from there now would be pretty awesome to do this testing in house. On the one of the reasons we do these third party. Lapses to kind of take the bias out of it. And if we were set up our own loud, that would also be a pretty big up front investment on everything while to kind of get all your certifications and stuff like that, too. Oh yeah yeah, absolutely big, BIG PROJECT AND What are the tests that you're running on all of the products that come through and I imagine that might be some variability. There's a wide variety of CD products out there. So usually Kinda, start off with or kind of. Probing whether a product or brand might might be good or not. Usually just stick with. The cabin would tests, which is Kinda tells us is the main labeling component of this correct so going back to that one thousand milligrams on the tincture D- does. It actually have milligrams now. Obviously, there's no room for error room for variation. But you know we don't want. Five hundred milligrams one thousand milligram tincture. but usually after week e first test have done. Say Okay, we. We think this is probably good. We want essentially carry this. We'll do usually full panel so basically this would be. Along with canals, Turpin content which kind of gives us our potential effects of this product Then we also use safety tests while so residual solvents. Basically, all of these products have been extracted from Hempen the him flower. We WanNA. Make sure no heavy metals in there from the field. Pesticides in micro-toxins from mold so we try to do full panels on just about all of our products. So that we start off kind of low in expand as we really kind of pulled into our a lineup. Yeah, that's A. That's a good strategy of that kind of I check alike wallets, even see if the pony labels, and then if it is that kind of gets you through the door, and then you open yourself up to the battery of you know a contaminant, testing and other other stuff like that. That's I think that's a really a strategy at obviously help. Save some money doing it that way. It's like why. Why waste the time of testing everything else if they can't even get the potency correct and was there an experience that you had personally that kind of drove you towards all of this I mean I it's it's well known you know that the CDC products are a lot of them were mislabeled I remember the FDA two, hundred sixteen, and then I think again in twenty eighteen miles in two thousand fifteen. Even they. Publish public data to showing that a lot of CBC products like some of them. Don't even have cabinets in them. Whatsoever they're sneaking THC and they're you know all sorts of other things so beyond just the publications. Do you have a personal experience at all that Kinda made you more passionate about this? From mislabeling standpoint. I think really there. I come from a an Undergrad were our to medicinal chemistry lab. So one, we worked with the Saudi plant there so now cannabis but. Our goal was to actually extract. The main compound out there and I don't know this is a hallucinogenic plant. Actually Salvia the norm. And our goal wasn't to make people listening. We actually wanted to do chemistry on this and essentially make new drugs that we're potentially not addictive painkillers and I. Did some of that in Grad schools well in mind, neuroscience lab, we focused on opioid addiction as well as using cannabinoid as alternatives to opioids, and so might kind of direction into. This kind of cdn cannabis comes from I guess more back side of things in looking at it from kind of harm reduction. You are really bad thing with lots of addiction. Death rates associated with that so. That's that's where my view kinda comes in, and if people are trying to use these products as medication. We don't want them to be taking too little or. It can't could also have interactions with other medications, so you don't want to take too much. At the same time. There's a lot of these things to consider and I think public education is a huge part of that, too, because there is a lot of misinformation and it is very widespread so I think that's part of my passion walls to kind of get basic education out there to. Consumers who might not? necessarily. Understand all the INS and outs of disobedient cannabis plant. Yeah, well, that's that's super super fascinating. I'M GONNA, have to pick your brain later about some of your Salvadoran research, because yeah Salvadoran A and B there these weird compounds that interact with opioid receptors in a strange way illicit strange effects that you don't normally associate. With that kind of stimulation, but then I learned recently that at least Salvador nee I think also directly interact with Indo canal system in several ways to it's fascinating. Plant Compounds that we still don't understand super well, but that's that's really cool that that that's part of your your research background very much in my my world of interests. and that's it. You know you're speaking from is kind of. where I'm coming from too as far as involvement in the testing labs, it's like a A recognition that regardless of how we label these products, you know how people are using them, and you WANNA see people be safe and and know what they're getting, and that I think about what the mislabeling is just how hard it is to get consistent experiences, and if you can't trust the labels, and you don't know your dosage, these other issues then. How can you even begin to get anywhere? You know with trying these products and trying to find what works because you're basically shooting in the dark every time if you can't trust the. The label? Yes, so I just wanted to add to what you were saying in. Basically when you're a new customer or a new person who is looking for the cbd in-cabin went based products. If you find the first, two or three aren't working for you. You probably don't WanNa, keep using those in the future, and and those two or three products might have been bad brands were completely mislabeled in. If that person would have used a legitimate product, maybe it would have helped their daily pain or anxiety or whatever they're kind of looking at to. Help them. Yeah. Absolutely, that's a really good point that. Part of this also trying to bring some. Trust to consumer trust to the industry itself said that they don't potentially misled by a couple of bad products. When there are good ones out there that maybe would bring some good benefit and within the true potency company You have other people that you work with to to try to I mean I'm sure there are multiple dynamics going on here because you're vetting, companies see companies. You're also working with labs and vetting labs and there's sort of A. I don't know a lot of different interplay here. Yes so I kind of have to work with some of the marketing team. The product, team are a casino does as well, but I've definitely been in a lot of more. Business type calls that don't have a whole lot to do with science. Kind of being the science person there who knows what these as actually mean Why do you have to take your milligrams per gram times density to find out? Milligrams per milliliter are in. These type of things but But it can even come down to know talking to people in the company of on. This might be a great product, but do you like the label on this? Does look presentable? It's not all about science even though. Maybe I would want it to be right, right. A consumer aspect out there and on my cellphone consumer and I am biased to other brands. Whether! It's bikes or whether it's groceries. You're buying or your next phone you know I have certain personal tastes as well so sciences definitely part of it, but you also have to look at it business thing actually. I'm a retailer as well. Yeah absolutely in what's that process? Look like four. Will start the companies and then I wanNA talk about your experience with labs, too, but How do you? What sort of grabs your attention when you're looking for companies to kind of bring in the the true potency fold? So some of the the major things that we look for is do they have their own COA's as available so their certificate of analysis. Is that publicly available for download on their website and just kind of vetting it from there so? When was the last time this was tested as a two year old COA, or are they using a coo away from islip that they use to make a tincture, but they didn't actually test the final team richer, so there's some of those things we look at initially. Nulla doesn't mean that company that doesn't show their COA's is a bad company or doesn't mean that they're bad products or that. They're not testing. They could be testing just not available kind of one of the main things we look at. In just kind of general brand reputations while so you know obviously, there are some big names out there. The I won't say but More well known publicly traded brand or a national brand. You have more confidence that they're actually batch testing in. If comes out bad, they're scrapping that or finding some way to fix the bachelor remediate. That's in some way so that's kind of where it starts. An unusually will talk about it as a team in to say hey, does this make sense for us? do we want to? Talk to them and get some other product, and if it gets past there than we do you know, reach out to the company and say hey. We would like to carry you. This is who we are and what we do. What are you saying? Unusually will send us some of their product, and these will just be light standard off the shelf. Retell products that are fully factory, seal and everything, so these aren't special samples premeasured that there's. Anything But what I'll let you do then take it from the retail bottle into a completely unlabeled bottle, so that will induce ended in an unbiased, so will sign a barcode on there so that we know what this product actor which product is actually which product, but when the lab actually receives it. They don't have any kind of bias from Otis's from Charlotte's Web, so we know it's GonNa be. Be, the. were they don't know a particular potency mark that they're shooting for or whether it's supposed to be full spectrum or isolated, so just take a little bit of the bias out of there now obviously labs are, we would expect and hope that they would be ethical moral, and that wouldn't be an issue but just kind of take that out of there we've definitely heard. Whispers the industry there can be a little bit of under the table dealings with similar results. And things like that so. Trying to be a little bit of middleman and take some of that concern away from people who consumers be worried about that. Yeah, that's that's really great. I know that when I first got into the The cannabis testing industry in Oregon I had lots of clients that. told the stories of other labs. They went to that they could. Pay For whatever results or even sometimes it's more. sometimes it's less nefarious than that. Sometimes it's like. The. Customer to the lab will say this should have X. amount of milligrams in it, and even if the lab is an intending on manipulating results if they see a result, that doesn't come out. What the client expected they start to sometimes question their own work if they don't have the proper quality controls in place to you know, have additional confidence, and then they start looking to try to see what's wrong with the testing that for some reason is coming out so there's a lot of a lot of dynamics there. So that's really great, and do you find that companies What's what's been their feedback to your approach? Did they seem to appreciate it? we Kinda you a full spectrum of. People that are one hundred percent totally behind it. There's definitely other companies that we've talked to that. are saying. One sensor. Sir There's also some companies. That are like well. We've done our own testing. We've spent thousands of dollars as we batch test. What these these are publicly available. Why can't use these? And you know there's some people that are in the middle that are like well. We know we do our own testing, but we see the value in in what you do And so it kind of depends on who we talked to. So can be an easier. Or harder depending on who that is right, yeah! and. What's your experience with? The lab's been. I'm sure you've by now interacted with several labs and probably had different experiences. I guess I just kind of ask. What's your immediate impression? with kind of all the canvas testing labs are are handling things and we'll go from there. I understand. We're coming from because I've done it. Myself and method of elements of, but it's a little disheartening from a consumer standpoint when there seems to be a fairly decent amount of issues, that are don't necessarily have a good outcome in And it's really difficult from my perspective, because I kind of see it from the science side as well as the business because I'm talking to a lot of the retail marketing people. And so you know obviously different Matrix matrices have affects on the weather's cheesy or Amish. But from a consumer you would expect Tino I send in a product. I get an accurate result back, and that doesn't necessarily seem to be the case in it's. It is a little bit frustrating from a science side, too, because it's like while you guys are. This ISOS certified lab? So should this be no problem like it? Why? Is there an issue, and it's like well I can go back to my science side and be like okay well I understand how there's variability in different matrices effects in this type of thing, but at the same time it's like well. We're spending hundreds or thousands of dollars, so you know. Where do I land on this? It's hard to really come to a final conclusion on that, but. I really think that I think last time we had a conversation on the phone was we need a kind of central Regulatory Agency? Make sure that we have. Standard operating procedures in place from lab to lab. So that you know when you send something in that, you get correct result back. Yeah Yeah I think I. Think one of the big issues sort of unspoken issues right now in testing that needs to be talked about that highlights this point is that there are so many matrices there so many different types of products that cannabis in CBD are going into, and if we want to get really technical about accreditations and everything really. A lab should be validating every single matrix that they come across. However. We are in a you know even canvas testing labs. It's a business and the cannabis industry is growing so fast, and there's so much demand that. A hate saying this scientists in me doesn't want me to say this, but it is pretty much unreasonable to expect a lab to validate every matrix that they come across especially when it comes to edibles and topical things where there can be so much variation and one company's CBS cream and another company CB cream could be very different when it comes to like the ingredients in there, and how the lab handles it, and so at your point of what we talked about on the phone previously as Wouldn't it be interesting if. There were some centralized lab or lab group that was totally focused on standardizing methods, developing quality controls and validating methods for every matrix that they can for the cannabis industry to shortcut these labs, so that they can then take the best knowledge that's available at the time and integrate that in and have the best chance of success rather than having to try and I. Mean I can tell you from working in the. The labs, the these technicians and analysts in particularly the lab directors really pity They have no time. They have no time to do investigative work. any sort of research that they're able to tease out. Present at conferences is usually very stressful experience to do and so I feel it on besides, and and like you on both sides I've been in the testing lab. The third party testing labs also worked for. cannabis in CD companies, helping them with in house analytics, and helping them troubleshoot how to interpret test results and interact with labs and so I. Yeah I see the dynamic sides and it's it's hard as a scientist to like you want to bridge these gaps, and it kind of breaks your heart, a little bit of like having to connect public with how you know some of the deficiencies of you know what they built up in their heads to be these very sophisticated labs, and there are sophisticated, but there's still a long way to go to make them better. I totally agree with everything he said, and there's something that I saw recently to open my eyes a little bit more as well, but I watched a a Webinar, and this gentleman from a testing lab was presenting Just different strains of flour and their internal standards were so. Differently affected from just different. CULTIVARS. that just kind highlights. You know it's all cannabis right, but it's really not, and it's hard. It really is yeah, and this is an issue natural product science in general I mean these plants at particularly these plans like cannabis. You know over like a say, something like Colangelo all these oily plants that make so many volatile compounds in their oils and when you have. Plants that produce so many of these compounds in the particularly these lightweight compounds that are right around the same mass, as can avenue and a lot of other things, it really can create a headache for sure I know. When I was working in the lab. One of the hardest things for us to do is to find A. What's called a blank matrix so something that mimics the materials that you wanNA test, but that don't contain the compounds. And we use lavender Colangelo hops. All sorts of different things to try to be as representative as could've that Matrix. And you always ran into colluding compounds and things that made it where you you had to abandon them, because so many of the Turpin so that these plants make overlap with AIDS. On most typical cannabinoid essays on either HVAC or and so it's yeah, it's it's a tough one for sure and are there. Are there particular products that you've noticed You run into issues more than with others when it comes to testing. That's a great transition because. You're mentioning some of these other plants in how they co at Luton have. Similar profiles and one of the ones that we didn't know about in that. We had to kind of ask the lab We had this topical product that was made with women. and. It was a a CD isolate product, and it came back and it had a ton of CD. G in their. Our like this doesn't make sense like what's going on here. And so we reached out to the company. Who makes his product in there? Like Oh yeah, we had the same issue and it's like. Well you know. How are we supposed to know that from a consumer standpoint? Though. It might be typical for the lab to know. This isn't something for somebody sitting outside to know yeah, and it just kind of shows you. That some of these typical. Oils can kind of come out at the same time. The other question I do how about that as you know we? We asked lab to re analyze that and they will did the Spectra in. It didn't actually confirmed to see confirmed to whatever it wasn't lemongrass that causes. Then the question becomes. What should our expectation? Should that lab? No, no this check that Spectra on there right so that they just saw peak at the whatever Aleutian time it was your. They have the obligation to click on that piquancy. What the entire UV on their DVD was actually showing there You know we could have just taken at face value and said Oh this Rama's lattice bad, but no, we had the conversation with them. Both the company in the lab and kind of figured this out. Kind of shows you a little bit of the method development side of things or product development side of institute. Yeah totally and you know some other scientists that have talked to that work in a more. Academic or research context that don't work in high throughput labs They'll tell me well. Of course you should be doing you know. Look at the full UV spectrum of the data rate sector and Y'all have mass spec on their to and do confirmation through there and I'm like. Yeah, that's great. I agree like in an ideal scenario that would be awesome I would love to test everything through an HP l. c. and a you know a a tandem mass beck, and get really really super accurate data in there tell the isomers apart from each other and everything. It'd be great, but you're talking to a lab that. Is having to run dozens, if not hundreds of samples and a day. Every day it never stops there some seasonality, but these days with the market the way it is, it really doesn't stop. So you know, you're talking about taking a method that normally. Normally takes twenty to twenty five minutes sometimes to run a sample with most of the common HVAC methods that labs are using. You're talking about extending that to maybe like an hour. That you know you start to talk about the the business side of things and keeping the businesses afloat and turnaround times customers. They want their data back. and says all these different things, and you add more elements. Quality control gets more complex than it starts to spin out into the situation where you're like well I'd have to charge you twice as much. The results would take twice as long and I'd only be able to run half as many samples you know, and so it's a compromise and It's something that we kind of. Of have to be real about that, you know that it is a compromise on I've put out warnings out there that some of the data for a lot of the data, I think I think for the minor can. Avenue is very unreliable. That's floating around. And I think you know a good bit of Turpin data that's floating around is probably unreliable to because Of how the labs are having to manage High throughput environments I. Don't blame them. They're doing the best they can. And I know a lot of people that work in these labs or great scientists and are doing the best. They can to keep up but you know the situation we have to work with. I completely agree with everything you said so. I agree for sure. And then another one that we have had some issues with kind of stayed away from his. Is Water Soluble products so? Shots or beverages. Those They used to get that. NANOMOLES May. Actually handles actually messes with machine completely where they can't detect any of this with the extraction process. What wherever it is. Yeah! I know exactly. I've worked on that before. And it's the challenging thing with the nanomoles fight. Steph is getting a inefficient seperation of those oil components from the water fractions, because in general, you want to try to separate your phases, and and try to inject as clean a sample as possible on your instrument, but when something's nanomoles defied. You may be able to separate some of those cavs out, but you're usually usually get a tiny fraction of what's actually. They're in the process of trying to separate those more polar compounds that you might not WanNa inject on your on your machine one thing that. I've noticed are topical products being seeming to be very variable Is that something that you've run into his well and I think the the reason is because a lot of top schools have other botanical ingredients in them usually things to make them smell better. Whatever suggest to ask you about your experience? Have you noticed if top goals tend to be more problematic than let's say alcohol sprays or MC t solutions, and that sort of thing. Honestly, a lot of the creams and lotions like the standard topical. We haven't had a lot of issue with. good so overall when we do see them. They tend to be a little bit on the lower side, but still with within reason for sure whereas Products tend to get more of a high end low, but the topical Senate just below so that might be part of the extraction process you're you're talking about there, but young topical. Don't seem to be a huge issue for us. That's good, and and what's your margin? So when you're looking at a product's label what the potency is on the label versus what you see on the test results that Egypt back. is that like ten percent margin fifteen percent How much variance do you allow before you say now? This is unacceptable. So most of the common ones like M. C.. T., oil tinctures and stuff like that. It's ten percent and we took that from the Jameh study. It might be more real estate to look at twenty, but we pay the ten percent down a business decision. Some of the other matrices that are a little bit harder to test. We get a little more leniency, so these would be like a transdermal patches. And we tested some suppositories and. Some other things like that we give a little more leniency, too, but yeah, usually about ten to fifteen percent is kind of our our Max there, yeah! and. Can you give some examples of? Products that you've maybe been excited to bring on. And then you test and you've been very maybe surprised. By what you found. Yeah, so there's one company that we talked to those little surprising so they actually admitted to Well. Feeling something well over what was host to be? to make people happy and so we got the product. We didn't know that before we have the product. The product in tested. Did all this stuff from like? These really really high. What's going on here And we've we've also had the exact opposite to. It's like well. We Really WanNA carry this brand. We've heard a lot of good things about him. We get it in. Basically, everything is about half potency of what the label says. It's like well what's going on here? So, we've definitely hit it from, or we've got it from both sides on on them. And what what sort of your typical? Pass and failure rates that you're seeing so far. Actually pretty close to that that Jamile Studies I would say about sixty seventy to eighty percent, even products. Aren't passing that ten. So it yeah, it tends to be pretty far off. Now. A lot of failures we tend to see at the start where we are a little bit more. Loose with some of the brand protesting once our brand vetting process got a little bit better We tend to have less issues with that moving forward, but I would still say even after doing some as vetting. We're still seeing about half. Products Fail depending on the company. in usually it. Within a brand or company, we tend to have good results but other companies will be. They might have half of their products on the mark in half the other half are completely off so. Kind of brings into question like. Do! We want to actually carry those Conatel as their batch testing. And things like that, so it calls into question quality control there. Yeah? Yeah, absolutely that. You just touched on something that I was wondering if. Over time I have The consistency is getting better, and if the accuracy of production is getting better, one thing that I've been. Disappointed by, but I also see as a an opportunity is the lack of quality systems within the CD product, manufacturing environments and I had the opportunity to work with a couple and It's so fun when you institute Equality System, and you see that grow and evolve, and you see accompanies process. Get better and better more and more dialed in, but then it makes you wonder it's like well Geez you know most companies don't have any system in place at all. They're not tracking. You know anything I mean. One thing I point out to people is like he should really Value I think the FDA. GNP rules because while. It's common to view them as sort of oppressive like do to abide by the FDA, rules and everything A lot of them allow these rules. Are there for very good reasons, and and they require some basic quality systems, stuff and. Some of the things that come to mind that I think maybe would improve. hopefully these trends over times, if the producers themselves were more carefully qualifying their own suppliers, and actually validating their processes and everything so that they had some sense of what their own performance was other than just sort of the fingers crossed when they send the product for testing. But It seems like maybe we still have a long way to go. Things are are still failing bad, but you know it's also one of those things like some of that. Some of that variants might be the labs and some of that variances you know the producer coming together to provide a bigger variance than some possibly can be attributed to just the producer. Yes the I mean the bottle. These these failures might in reality be within that say ten percent mark, but with let's say degradation sitting in the bottle maybe the variants from the workup to the actual detector itself having variants. Kinda. Push that over and we tried to kind of look at some that are close. To the mark. And give a little bit of lenience because we do know that there variance everywhere but it's definitely we still want to try to keep. A decent idea of what's actually in there, because like we said now, people are using this as medicine. They WanNa make sure that the ball they previously used. Is GonNa be the same as the one that they're gonNA use next time when they run out. Yeah, yeah, absolutely and. Do you foresee some of your testing programs expanding in the future. I mean one thing that pops into my mind that might that might be interesting in the future stability testing seeing. How things hold up in shelf, life studies, and that sort of thing so do you have any of those of things on the horizon? We've definitely talked about doing this ability. Studies another lab that we've used previously. We've only done one test, but it was a dynamic light. Scattering to basic greed helped confirm these emotions are emotions. in the reason for that is because there's a lot of hype behind them being more bioavailable. Just to kind of confirm that and then there's another lab. We've actually looking at to test the Cana flat ends in the flavonoids that are playing right. There's not a lot of. There's only one loud that we actually know the does that, I'm I'm sure there's others. But. It's definitely an interesting point so it would definitely be cool to kind of pick these up. LONG-TERM but we obviously probably wouldn't see some most flab wins in Iceland products, but maybe more of the the full spectrum and it would also kind of be interesting to see whether these full spectrum product hell full spectrum. Are they really you know? How much plant are we actually getting out? Only do this extraction. We've definitely seen companies that are essentially making hem paste, so they'll of the plant and essential use of a whole plant in the product, and you're eating plan bits, and you're actually getting A. Full plant full spectrum product out of it. Yeah I. Mean This. This is something that I've. Talked about and sometimes even debated Um with quite a lot of people now just like what does that word full even mean especially when it gets confounded with the term whole plant, and it's cool to know that there are people out there. That are doing true whole plant 'cause in herbalism. That's that's normally what you would do. pull up the whole plant Chop the roots trump up leaves, chop flowers. All these different things extracted all mixed together. But then you have other companies that are making you know highly refined distillates that are also calling most full spectrum. And so it sky, being credibly confusing and frustrating to consumers, but it would be great to have some benchmark for these terms like well, do you even have you know flavonoids in the extract There's yeah. There's all sorts of other things you could Go into, too, but I think the flavonoids would be a great starting point because the The sort of cultural buzz around cannabis flavonoids is slowly building. So there's you know maybe some motivation there for the labs to jump on that and start to be able to to offer that. Definitely I mean reservoir at all and wine. Seventeen, green, tea or definitely hot topics in. Health and wellness yen something that's been on my mind lately. There was a paper that came out about a very recently to or the the quinine derivatives of can avenue. It's too so in a lot of these extracts Some of their color might be coming from oxidation of. cabinets into these can avenue quite Lloyd's tongue-twister a word, but That's another thing that would be eventually very interesting to see as a marker of Essentially. Has Has the extract that went into. Make this product How well was it stored and taking care of? Did it have room to oxidizer? How old is it that sort of stuff you know CBS another? Marker but really interested in these these point on compounds I haven't spent much work studying them, so that's kind of like. There's like on my radar now. Diving into a lot of literature bottom but something's been very interesting to me. Yes I think one of the interesting thing is about some other compounds. It's also kind of disheartening as we don't really know what their biological function would be yes. While all very interesting to see okay, we have these rare and here we have these really cool flavonoids, but I think the next step. Is You know what he's actually doing? We be like Is it beneficial for pain or anxiety or potentially cancer? Even who knows and I think that's for academics kind of. We will push for Canada's research. Because there, there is pretty obviously medicinal value here, but what is it? How do we take advantage of it right? Yeah, that's that's the the great question. How do we take advantage of it and something? I'm hoping to see more. Especially now. Him Busily mentioned this on other interviews, but something that has me really excited about him. Being legal now the fact that universities can now. Touch the cannabis plant, and start to look at you know these non THC components and can have annoyed and other things trying to understand what they do and right now I think i. think there's a massive under appreciation for how little pharmacodynamics dynamic work has been done on a lot of cannabis compounds like you know. We have some good sense of what thc does in the body. And how it moves through the body, how by available it is how it's absorbed, you know all these sorts of house transformed all these things. And we know a decent amount about CBD, but still a lot was known more. We're learning, but then there's a huge steep drop off after that. There's a little bit done on CBS especially like. C.. B. N. was studied a lot before thc. D- and then it sort of got pushed to the side when thc got really popular and then CBD, but We don't know what a lot of these compounds do, and then they get in the body. We don't know what their bioavailability as compared to other things that we do you know have that data for? We don't know what the receptor targets are, or how those receptor targets change in the context of other things so getting into concept of entourage, becks and synergistic effects are additive effects or whatever. You know like. Just understanding you know in-vitro. How something like CBGB's which you know is kind of the big hot cannabinoid now on the tails of CD. you know we don't know how it interacts with receptors when other phytochemicals are thrown into the mix and We don't you know another good example is a I. Think you mentioned earlier? CBD's Potential Drug Interactions and how important it is to get the dosing right, you know we know that THC also affects the liver in the same way that CBD does to a much lesser extent well how to see BG have that effect is more or less than CBD in in that just expands to all these other compounds, so there is a a lot of unknowns when it comes to what these compounds actually do and what they might be useful for. That's part of the reason that the pharmaceutical companies don't necessarily like the natural products implant plant medicines because the Pharmacopoeia of everything together as is too complicated to studied. They want one drug in. If you have a combination of two or three drugs, you have to do each drug individually than every nation of them. Go through a whole thing to get approved. It from a business standpoint, it's not worth it to them to actually do this I know yeah I'm looking forward to the day long after we're dead where there's a and a computer can sit there and go through all of these interrelations really quickly, and just you simulate like okay. We've done every combination of these like hundreds of thousands of chemicals together here are the ones you should focus on. Ignore the you know whatever. We've been gone for. Almost an hour here. Talking about CD and stuff but I'm really also interested in You know what you were saying at the beginning your neuroscience work your work with Salvatore. All these sort of stuff so I, had just ask some sort of fun personal questions for you if that's okay. That's. Cool, so what got you into studying neuroscience? I really was interested in the human mind. How it kind of works, and I found out to the to really have studied that you really kind of need to study the brain, and the more and more kind of learned about the brain I was like. Wow, this is really interesting and complex, really cool and is kind of grabbed my curiosity, and so my under was behavioral neuroscience, which was was in the psychology department but had focused on the biology of rain. and. I just think it's so fascinating. How. Going from a an individual neurons standpoint to circuit standpoint to a global brains pinpoint gives rise to consciousness in feelings and thoughts of love and hate really interesting topics as well. And then the pharmacology is obviously very highly tied into that. You have always psychotropic chemicals that how affects on your brain and your nervous system so? Yeah a totally in my undergrad. I studied philosophy and psychology. Partially because I had a lot of the same interests and I took a brain physiology class, and it was one of the hardest classes I've ever had, but also one of the most fascinating classes that I've ever ever taken I. Still Have the text book on my bookshelf in my office here that still go back and look at it. Was Interesting as I was also studying philosophy of mind. At the time to and there's the the thought experiment of you know if you could organize people to. Do certain things and basically act kind of like circuits. If you could coordinate the activity of people, let's say you know somewhere like the the size of Texas or Alaska. You know big land you know. Math got all of these. These people piled in there and you fed information in, and they did what they were. You know sort of program to do. Everyone's relatively simple thing, but as a whole. You know it's coming into this complex thing, can you? Essentially create consciousness that way you know if you made the system complex enough just through that. Could you somehow generate some? A level of consciousness if if that's what's happening in the brain as well and it gets into the question of. Emergency knows the con is conscious something that emerges through complexity or something else, but that's something that a- always found very very fascinating. One quote that I really like about the complexity of the brain. So you have about a eighty to ninety billion cells in your neurons in your head each one of those has on average about five to ten thousand connections to other neurons, and when you do the computation on that that there's more unique firing patterns in the brain than there are atoms in the known universe. So. It's. Really really really heavy. Yeah. It's humbling to study the complexity to like. You know try to wrap your mind around as much as you can. And then to. You know one thing that's cool when you choose a discipline like that and you dive into it is usually when you get to the other side. Is You realize just how little you know or how how little anyone knows you know and you're studying some of the best minds on these topics and you realize there's still these huge gaps of understanding and knowledge which it can be very humbling, and it can incite that Narrowly really intense curiosity about like well. How do we push that low further? How do we shed a little more light on their Yeah, that kind of stuff is super fascinating. And how did you end up getting to work with south and win? was that because I also know that Salvia started to get band of when I was in college at least in Mississippi where I was, it got banned. Before I finished college. And I don't know it still allowed, but. I think it's a kind of state by state thing in some states you so actually get it. But this would have been during my head I think was about twenty fifteen. Twenty sixteen is when I was in the lab And so I think it was still legal. They're in a state of the time. I'm not sure that actual regulatory moves. We had to jump through, but we basically just had a few large fifty gallon drums full of plant material that would. Extract, extract from every now and then. Yeah, and what specifically were you looking at where you doing you? You're looking at OPIOID. Receptors and that sort of thing, but more specifically. What was your group really trying to investigate? Yes, so the the interesting thing that you mentioned about Salvia Salvadoran. A is the main compound in there. It's actually a Kappa opioid receptor, so there's three three different types of receptors mu. Delta Kappa and We don't know there's not a lot of research on the CAPELA right now, It's a little bit harder to make good drugs for that because you get side effects like hallucinations than. Just for yet. But our goal you could actually make small changes to a molecule, and it would very easily turn from kappa to a mule receptor agonists, and that's actually how basically all of our standard work like morphine can end oxycodone and stuff like that. So, we were still kind of hitting the same receptor. But we were also looking at something a little bit more complex something called biased signaling. What this means for. Those of you don't know when you activate a receptor it. has a typical signaling cascade that it does. but you can actually activate multiple things and. When you activate it in different ways, you can actually. bias it towards one pather another. And so we think one pathway is more associated with the addiction side of the opioids, and we think the other pathways more associated with the pain relief side, and so we were trying to essentially make on more biased to the pathway that would be for pain relief than the pathway for drug addiction. That is super fascinating wow. Wow so that's you can actually try to nudge these opioid compounds to try to provide more pain relief and less addictive potential. In a for anyone who's in science to kind of? Understand, these terms one of the pathways is Beta arrested pathway. In, the other pathways Assia pathway which is another. Salsa glass or pathway. Yeah, yes, involved in a lot of stuff. I did a little bit of studying on the pathway for looking at autophagy involved in that. That's that's yeah. Super Super Cool. That's that's honestly something that I I. Think I've come across that concept of by signaling a long time ago. Never thought about it again probably since I came across it in college, and never thought about it in that context that is that a super cool and you're able to flip. So what changes to the molecule did you make? two Salvadoran to make that flip in the type of opioid receptor that it target. So there's a an acetyl group on there and we would essentially like switch out for a funeral group. Would essentially. Essentially, do it get us from. Capitol, Mu, now the work that I was doing was essentially modifying a different part of the molecule, but part of the web has been working with molecule for for years and years so they they had modified different. Functional Groups just about everywhere on the on the molecule. Wow, man, that is. Super Fascinating and looping it back around to collaborate science. There's a lot of that work going on right now of substituting Functional Groups Trying to it, so it talked about the Quinine derivatives again that I was mentioning earlier. That have me very interested. You know CBD. Can oxidized into this canaveral own compound, which anyone listening that is super familiar with chemistry, but maybe know a little bit about some of the structure stuffing of these quantum groups. It's basically in the city Malachy. Basically take this structure in the molecule and you just put double bonded oxygen on the top and bottom of the ring. Basically in that the creates. You're required on structure. and. Researchers are very interested in trying to develop recalled similar synthetic cab. Annoy drugs by doing similar things like this forced oxidation into these groups, and then stacking functional groups onto that, so you make this like semi synthetic CD, and then you start just sort of decorating it. I mean it's it's funny. The language we use for chemistry bet literally like you're adding decorations or ornaments. You know onto these molecules and you see what they do, and there are some drugs now. They're being investigated that have been developed this way from CD and and other avenues. CGI knows another one there. There's a semi synthetic version of C. BG and I it's no way I can remember the names without looking at them because they're very like nondescript. Just like a few letters in a couple of numbers I think the The CBA decline under is like these these C e something. vce Dash. Eight dash four or something like that. It's literally the something like that, but This is fascinating. This kind of connects together. I mean I know the work you're doing now. Is You know very different than all of that work? But it's I wanted to make sure to highlight your your background in that way. some of the things that you've. been doing so you never know in the future some of that knowledge could come in very very handy even in terms of C. D., and some of the work. That's going on now. Thank you for Sheva. Yeah, yeah, no, totally it's super super fascinating to me I. Love Geeking out on a neuroscience I. I. Considered for a while going into neuroscience, and so any time I talked to somebody. That's remotely interested in that stuff I always want to. Dive into it a little bit. Well to to start to bring our conversation around and I've kept you for over an hour now, but. to bring things around a little bit. I guess one other question to ask you before wrapping things up is what's been the. Consumer response to what you're doing. We've talked about how companies have reacted and what your experience with labs are. what about the people that are actually buying products from your they recognizing the added value of what you're trying to do? I think the some of them do, but I definitely think there's A. Lack of our a need for education because. A lot of people didn't really not even look for this type of stuff before finding true potency and so for consumers I don't know. That's something that was on the front of their mind. So I think that some of them for sure, see the value on after we kind of. Guide them but. In general I don't think that the knowledge is really public right now. Yeah. Well, maybe we can make a dent in that through this conversation and one thing I wanna do in the show notes for this conversation is tried to link some of the papers that we've mentioned so the Jama study, but also links to. The FDA records from Twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen, and and more recently that show some of this work I think. CBD is booming so much which is exciting in one end because it gets people interested in cannabis that gets them thinking about plant medicine. It gets them thinking about all of these different things that I find exciting I'm always excited to think about cannabis. A gateway towards learning about other natural products implant medicines stuff because I come from a world of natural products, and that's how I I see canvas, but also with that rise of interest you rise in fraud rise in all these things, so I think. By US having this conversation hopefully, highlighting for people just how rampant the misrepresentation of CB products are on the market I mean I, think I wrote a an article recently for. One of my clients where we were talking about the history of the CD industry and I think I came across a stat, the said that about a thousand new CBD brands came on the market last year just last year. and New brands so There's a lot for consumers to wade through and You know while cannabis and CB are pretty safe. There are risks and we have to be real about that, too You know. There was a study that came out. Recently that speculated, but couldn't pin down. Definitively whether CBD contributed to a would ended up being fatal inflammatory reaction in a patient that was taking another drug that had very toxic side effects at certain levels, and they had the only. ISSUE, that come up with that the patient had switched from their normal CD products to a lie Tomo. nanomoles defied product the radically, maybe it had higher bioavailability, and maybe that caused greater interactions with liver enzymes, and maybe that boosted the other drug they were taking and. Don't really know. But it highlights how seriously we need to take this and think about it, and that for anyone listening that consumes a lot of CBD products. You really need to think carefully about the brands you're supporting and the products you're consuming and sometimes it's not enough just to. Look at a brand. See of as A. May Have publicly available because you know like you pointed out how older the as have they been doctored. Oh, another thing! I wanted to ask you before we wrap up. Have you run into fraudulently vase? Not that we can tell. We've tried to kind of look for at its and stuff like that, but we haven't seen any. Straight out the fraudulent ones yet, but it is something you have in your mind. Yeah in. Some people might be good at Photoshop as well so it. Photoshop the? We can't tell that it's actually fraudulent. That's something that's been on my mind that. I wonder about particularly in the CD. Industry is our people just. Making up. See a vase in posting them online. It was something that was a big issue in the early days of the medical cannabis market. in Oregon, I'm sure everywhere where there's testing and there aren't strict regulations even the labs there were you know fake labs that would just issue PDF's. They take your sample disappear into a room and then come back with a pdf that you know us so. That's something I'll I'll be interested to follow up with you once. You've been doing this for you. Know a year or two or three to see if if that's an issue and and what you notice. Well to wrap up here I want to give you an opportunity to well. I. I want to thank you for giving up so much time you know definitely gone well over an hour now missing hour and a half. I WanNa just kind of hand the platform over to you to let people know how to find true potency how to learn about you, and if there are any other resources that you'd recommend to people, or if there any other topics that we haven't gotten into that, you think are really critical. You WanNa. Make sure people hear about. I'm going to hand the podcast platform over to you to do with as you will. Will. I really appreciate you out this. Thank you. I appreciate your. When for listening here hope it took away some good information from our conversation today. But you can find true potency at DOT com. Now that's tr. You know e Houghton. We also have a facebook instagram, twitter, and I help run our facebook group. That's attached to Our facebook page I try to basically post new articles there every day whether it's something, new CD, or cannabis, science, or new legislation or something like that. I also try to maintain a blog which. We try to do some education there as well. So what is the entourage? Some basics like that? but I definitely think that. One of the big takeaways for people who are new to CD is Be careful what you're shopping for. An event the company because you could be getting something that's completely different than what you actually order. Yeah absolutely. Yeah. Well everyone that's listening. Thanks so much for tuning in and and checking out this conversation I hope it's really been valuable to you and I hope that it. Ultimately I hope it helps. Keep you safe and healthy so especially in these interesting trying times we find ourselves in so If you WANNA learn more about curious about cannabis, go to see a sea podcasts dot, com can also find us on facebook, instagram or twitter Balsa got a YouTube channel. You can check out his welfare instead nap that opposed to and other than that I. Look Forward to connecting with you again real soon. Thanks much stay curious and take it easy bye-bye. If, YOU WANNA learn more about cannabis. You can check out the curious about Canada's book. Available now on Amazon Dot, com and other online book reveals. The. Curious about canvas podcast is presented by natural learning enterprises, a science education company dedicated to the enhancement of public scientific literacy through education about the natural world. 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Hard Factor 6/4: Naked Man on Meth Hammers Through Neighbor's Walls

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Hard Factor 6/4: Naked Man on Meth Hammers Through Neighbor's Walls

"Wooded you Joe, man, Randy savage, and this factor in the risk, no one that does better like now. Yeah. Does it better repeat myself? Going told me something right now. Moderate. Welcome to another episode of art factor. It is Tuesday June fourth and we've forgotten remind you that we have another cannabis Cup power hour coming up this Saturday about three thirty eastern. So tune in on periscope. It's definitely going to be crazy again. Yeah. We're gonna be joined by PF T commenter as always, and special guests, Trinidad James. I want to check that one who. Yeah, we're gonna take a hit of marijuana every minute on the hour for an hour. So, yeah. Survived last one, so and the world, the world's chill bro his pageant is coming back. But this, this time, it's gonna be the, the mid west Bros. It's the midwest regionals is right region. We're gonna find the chilous, bro, in the mid west is our hope otherwise jeopardy, and Jonathan just would've kept winning so that's true. Whoever the winters are they'll face Jonathan in the nationals eventually. Yeah. And, and there's all kinds of other crazy to go down on stage. So definitely tune in. All right. Top stories for the day. Pat, is going to tell us about the situation on the border tariffs and walls. Yeah. Big question for you. Guys are the US and Mexico still. Mexa broS. I don't know. I didn't know they were. No. We were Mexican. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I feel like we are we I just know, we use that term because it's pathetic. Well, I made it up. I guess I guess I'll stop using. Sorry. Sorry, mark. What about nightmare fuel in corona California, and you'll have to stay tuned to hear about An Marchal take lightning round of other headlines? Take it away boys. So Trump is still very desperately trying to erect a border wall between us and Mexico. You may remember that there could be or could not be aboard were already in some places in that Trump's. He's claimed that the ball's under construction, which are walls and fences sporadically as like dilapidated pieces of rusted and some wall plastic form their stuff. And then you guys remember Trump cents troops down there over the holidays to defend the invasion, pretty much. No one knows her. Still cares. What the fuck going on down there, but say, no one cares. No. I mean it's in very confusing. Very confusing, very confusing. But yeah, it was like a horrible situation with all the silence seekers and all that undoubtedly log, lots of peace, not good. But in an effort to frustrate its people, our government is still fighting over the wall. That's right. 'cause yesterday Trump sorry, Trump appointed federal judge name. Trevor McFadden ruled against congressional Democrats who sought to temporarily stop the president from using military funds for a border wall side note. I'm pretty sure that this is the first Trevor in American history to make it to judge. Yes. The first guy named Trevor McFadden to not co teach type keyboarding, and then high school also football, some sort of physical education and then also some class that doesn't matter at the good point Trevor McFadden deathly like has a real pristine haircut. Oh, hi, high tight. It's perfect a lot of caps guy that cops. Yeah. You don't even see the haircut whereas hats lot, anyway, look how stems were trying to sue Trump as a last ditch effort and the argument that they were trying to under- is that Trump's attempt to divert military funds was unconstitutional. And that's because congress could only appropriate that funding that was their argument and judge Trevor he knows better than to bite the hand that feeds him because he's a Trump appointee. And he told them to get on a horse ride off into the mountains and not bothering them for a while. Yeah. Why don't you appropriate your way out of my fucking courtroom is more or less, what he said? Right. On up, you know, he gave me my job, right? Yeah. You know that I'd like one hundred percent of your let you appropriate. One hundred percent of the out of here. I like work. I like this job. It's good for me. Look in a classic tactic that the Trump administration lawyers often do they use their Goto? You can't touch us argument arguing that there's no circumstance in which congress or the house could ever sue the executive branch and Yep. Judge Trevor's like yeah. That's good enough for me bullet after that ruling judge Trevor also came out. Just maybe keep his job for later and said to be clear. The court does not imply that congressman ever to the executive branch. So he saying judge has got a judge. Judge has got a judge. But he was saying because there's not precedent. This could be the press, and he could just heard the case. I mean Trevor loves executive power, but only when it's Republican. Right, so like both, but both parties do this these days. It's not a coincidence, that Eric Holder and William bar were the first to Agee's held in contempt of congress. It's because the executive. Like the trend is to try to take as much power as you can use your judge appointees to grant you the power. Right. That's what all executive administrations have been doing a lot of fine print. Yeah. And no one's appointed more judges than Tresin that he got for to its timing in other news trick. No, no, no, no, you're right. The answer and your head was right in other news on the other side of the potential or probable wall, Mexico is trying their damnedest to not get hit with tariffs. And that's because last week, Donald vowed to slap five percent tariffs on all Mexican exports starting June ten and that number increasing to twenty five percent by Tober unless Mexico does a little bit more to curb illegal immigration to the states. And yeah, does it get higher than twenty-five? Can we go thirty five right now they're twenty-five, but keep in mind that Mexico is our largest trade partner right now? Twenty five hi five five. I'm not even gonna bat nihil shop, but five is like no, I don't it's not threatening enough. Look, you think twenty five that's really bad. Go and five going five. There was a report that the five percent increase would mean that cars manufactured in Mexico could be fifteen hundred dollars more expensive this summer. Oh. So by now I now sell for profit layer. Yeah. That's get your hands on that Mexican automobile. You've been looking at oh, it's like other brands that manufacture their I've never I don't know. There's a Mexican made cars niche market for that shit. We'll come on the Ford Fiesta, and it's still fourteen hundred. It might take on load, but anyway, look Mexico's trying hard guys. They expelled eighty thousand plus migrants from December to may this year, and plus the US is running a controversial policy with cute name entitled remain in Mexico, which has returned over eight hundred migrants seeking asylum to Mexico while they wait for the US immigration court appearances. So, you know, there's things going on down there, but apparently not good enough for Donald keep it simple with the phrasing that remain in Mexico remain in Mexico remain there, but very clear. What kind of dumb name because they got to the states. But then no one Mexican officials threw a dart saying, look they have been issuing Mexican visas to asylum seekers in attempts to help with the immigration problem. But maybe they could just stop doing that which could result in up to a quarter million more migrants knocking on the, the US Boorda will so just let them in is that they're saying, like we won't get any more visas to keep because they're coming from Central America. They're happy being Mexico. We're just gonna let them. Like you think we've suck at our job right now. Wait till we try to a visa to Mexico a silver medal for these people. They're just, you know, they're saying, well, look, if we take the silver, they're just going to go for the gold right status anita's. I mean not a bad threat. Let's it to the internet boys. Linda hind says shut it down spice spice they need us more than we need them. Live without Advocaat does, I'm going to speak for heart factor, west who's not here. At now, you could you could raise the tariff all you want. He's buying condos. Right. It's true. Hey, by the way, does anyone know why kind of came into our lives Sola growing up avocados warrant a thing I mean, guacamole sometimes, but there was no cod around. It's because like when generation x became parents, like that's when it. Oh, I know because you probably lived in Virginia instead of southern techs. True. That's true. That's true. It's also very region. I feel like it's common that we've gotten away from clam chowder and Maryland crabs. It's true missiles. All right. Bob Roulston says we pay the tariffs through higher prices through spelled. T H, R, E W thrown at ya. That's how we're going to help pay for the wall. Nimrod nimrods pretty good. Oh, yeah. Like Trump's Nimr I don't know. Who's Nimrod a bunch of nimrods growing nimrods out all the time. Shake paying them through higher prices. Call guys nimrods at the grocery store in the past tense of thrown says says you're up next Nimrod. What's happening with this weirdo Willie? Okay. Let's get into it. This is a story. I'm very excited to tell you guys about it as a crazy guy. And he did some bad things. So when you go to some in night. Yeah. When you go to sleep at night, and tuck your children to bed in this scenario. Imagine you have two kids. What's the scariest thing you could think of to wake up to wake up to spiders, crawling on my wife's Jonah? Ooh, I don't know how that has to do with your two kids, but quite literally. That's the thing I'd be most Fred to wake up through no matter how many kids in scenario. That's true. I the scariest thing for me would be for someone to know that someone was in my home and not know where they were like to know that there's someone between me and my children, probably scared. Yes. So reading between not just saying that's actually, probably the those are both those are both pretty good, Pat. You're you're on the trail. But I think this is actually price scarier than just not knowing where the person is. Because what happened to the bowl in family in corona, California at five AM, Saturday morning was this Rachel bullet and her two daughters were asleep. But they awoke to a man completely naked on meth wielding a hammer, trying to bash his way into the into the children's room at barricaded themselves Jesus, where to get who gave them a hammer. Yeah. Yeah. So rituals husband was away on business. And she heard a loud, crash downstairs, and that crash was actually forty three year old neighbor. Jason Nelson busting through the glass patio door on a stolen children's scooter having a night. Yeah. I've just say to Rachel's husband, if you know that there's a Methodist live next door. Oh, he doesn't know the guys of methadone. I don't know. You might probably know, acting up. Do you really need to go on this trip, or you can't go on business trips? Because your neighbors on meth. I don't know. Trying to do the scooter kick flips on his razor and the you have to go on the trip. But yeah still next door though. Their kitchen is always next door. Yeah. So he, he bust in stole the stole the children's scooter busting through the, the pain, glass, patio sliding door. And then he screamed call non what one I'm in your home. Nice. And then yeah. And then he went straight to the garage to undress completely, and grab a hammer jeez. That's kinda scary. He's conflicted. That's getting scary. Yeah. He likes gave fair warning. But also, he might it takes about seventy seconds sundress. Grab a hammer hit. All now he might be pre law to. He might be trying to circumvent some law by screaming Condon on. I'm in your own. I might reduce either psychic or read ahead because he did get off light, Rachel followed his advice, when he screamed, the call nine one one, she ran over to the children's room and barricaded them inside and called the police. They were upstairs and downstairs apparent. Yes. Keep the Nelson was banging on the door with the hammer trying to get in. But when he couldn't get through the barricade he diverted in went to a closet of an adjoining room and tried to hammer his way through the drywall to get in to get to the kids are in the love this guy. Because I like how focused and I like his ingenuity. Yeah. It's like American psycho, though, on, but he's so determined. You gotta give him points for that. He's listening against the wall of breathing. This is definitely join what, what message out cycles. I can't get in. I could probably break through the drama on the closet his looking. He's doing it for sport because you like warned them. He like scared the shit out of them like got naked, and then like it was like a game. Dan? Nelson had planned this. Yeah. I mean, there's no matter even though he's been thinking why exactly there's no matter method like he'd planned this exact he thought about it before a game. I'm gonna get the kitchen do a couple bar. Spins on the daughters, rays of hope they locked themselves room because adjoining rooms he's played a lot of clue. He's like this room could this room? It's probably some, you know, suburb. He's got the same exact role knows knows the design. Anyways. Like I said, Pat, you guessed it. He was released on bail, four hours later. The, the cops got him before he busted all the way through those dry walls. Then they, they booked on suspicion of residential burglary. And being under the influence of a controlled substance, which, I guess, isn't that bad of a crime in California, because he was out on the street. I done a lot. He's done a lot of drugs, not math. But I imagine the meth high last more than four hours, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Eight you gotta hold that guy. Also, we're in the release them just right. Back next into the while yet. Yeah. The, the moms Pissy sleeping next door. Yeah. That's an awkward an awkward Sunday morning. He promised not hammer his way back in the house to get the Sunday paper, you look left high sorry, I was a little bit high on methamphetamines last. Bring on them. I bring on them like, yeah, that's crazy. And then if you're if you're the husband, who's coming home, like you're not worry his his risk of killing that guy's. Hi. You're gonna word imagine, imagine that phone call from the wife to the husband on the business trip. I told you not to go on the trip. Jason lives next. You gotta move you right? You got them. You're out. You got assume civil suit they are pursuing civil suit, but Silla soom. So the pays for you to move absolute move. I move to like a hotel. I figure it out. Don't let them know where that is. Then you move for sure. I take it to the internet. Russell miller. He's got a different solution. He says learn to use a gun. He will be back. He's right. He will. He'll be back. It's true. I just I wholeheartedly rustling about four hours later store. Of course. It'll be all you gotta do is yell. I'm gonna shoot you. Call nine one one I and you're getting off that town. Yeah. And then mar Royal Anderson. She says, I don't what they need to do. Get baseball bat. I got a pool stick. When I used to walk the road still got it. So instead of like a baseball bat, which she called to call to action. She walked the road with a walking stick, which Tokyu baseball better weapon case. She needed to choose. Up q. Because you knew for executive wish you could just be like big roadhouse fans. She just cut my love. My she must've been a hell of a break. Martius breaking nobody wanted to play 'em pool. And finally, we got a verbal meme it's a me on the internet, Bronx plant to verbally from Danny Carter. He just posted the Kool aid man bussing through the wall with. Oh, yeah. Pretty good. Call nine one more. That's the right host. Let's take the lightning around for some stories. We could not get to. Let's talk about the best holster company in the world, real quick. We the people holsters designed in Las Vegas and produced in the USA. We the people holsters offers custom designs made for all the most common model, pistols, whether you like to wear yours inside your belt outside the belt or you just want an incredible gift for your favourite gun owner. We the people has you covered. These holsters are just down to every last detail. 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I guess, I mean, of course, sex torsion cases teases around the rise. It's twenty nineteen. And with the way technology is going, people are going to start three D printing their Dixon, sending them to people's more people. Yeah, of course, anything related to sex and technology. And an extorting people through the internet is on the, by the way. Right. Anyone out there thinking about three D printing their dick, I recommend for the young is out there that they go back and revisit the Michael Jackson case never Neverland ranch, because they, they looked at dick, they'll look at your dick. It's like you're eleven fingerprint. I mean, once you through dick fingerprinted yourself, right? You've dick printed yourself, for sure. I mean Anthony Weiner, just got out of jail for Christ's sake. It looks like another crack job by the FBI. Good job guys extortions the rise must be Texas or letting us know as discussed on yesterday's show. Illinois had a pretty incredible weekend. When they legalize. Sweden sports gambling fuck. Let's go moment. Pretty awesome. Turns out, it was not all fun and games though, as Chicago still exist in only shit. Bummer. Happens to be that there were fifty two people shot and ten people killed that same week in Chicago. So when it gets hot and Chicago shooting, guns, the celebration still shooting each other. That's. You expect the chill weekend. I don't I don't understand. This is interesting. We have still it's actually an act, right? Let's kill everyone for a few months Chicago does have a serious murder problem, especially in the summer, like there's a correlation specifically from how hot it is people get its crimes guarantee when the weed gets legalized, maybe trying to shoot fire hundreds, that's true to get the water. Yeah. The classic summer tradition. It's also it's also too cold to commit crimes in Chicago at night. You save up all your crime, right? You save up the crime in the winter is being said, probably Chicago's still moves up to the top about party list. I mean I wouldn't mind partying Wrigley Ville getting high as a kite legally and laying down. Outrageous sports bets while wearing a bulletproof vest, they got they got like Michigan out there. It's great. You could get like it's like. It's like a Venus fly trap now. It's like, really sexy the ideal attractive, but very dangerous where does it rank? It's vegas. I don't Chicago might be up there with might be five. For sure. Lastly notorious YouTube, prankster, and little punk, Kangoo Arendt, who went by the YouTube username, reset has been sentenced to fifteen months in prison for damaging strangers. Moral integrity. Interesting. And he was fined about twenty two thousand dollars by Spanish court based all on a video documenting himself filling Orioles with toothpaste and handing them to a homeless, man. That went viral two thousand seventeen so you see, I tuned out the first part of that, Mark. But the, the way that I know that he's not an American is because the law that he violated was a moral integrity law. That's not a normal. It's not an American thing to do. You don't go to jail for them. You don't have. No, we, we do have little sheds is the is the s in reset, like a dollar sign. No. It's capitalized are lower half are. Oh, you're onto mother. You right on the nose. He's also been banned from YouTube for five years, which is probably the more troubling thing for recent. In the video, he gives toothpaste, Phil Orioles to a homeless, man and pays them to eat them, the homeless man than eight them, and vomited, because it was a shitload of toothpastes toothpaste, eight. Yeah, he must wary must've told told them that there was toothpaste because, because you, you don't pay somebody eat Oreos. They pay you. Unless there's the guy at least knew something fucked up within their it's not just a delicious. Royal, he wiped his ass with it or something at the end of the video after the throat, a reset turns to the Cameron says this will help clean teeth. I don't think he's clean them since he became poor. So he likes to ends his pranks with very mean statement, he had over a million subscribers and was hugely popular in Spain. I guess because. Spain like everywhere else likes to watch really mean pranks. You can't you can't blame Spain for them. Throw quick down here. What if what if old guys, we start a YouTube channel where we just go in and prank, these shitty punks that are pranking homeless people that we would kill kill. But we still have to be mean. Yeah. We'd be mean to them people. The mean also you'd have to be stealthy because those kids are already good at the vigilante Franken, yet, bro high vigilant pranking we're into it. And that's gonna do it for hard factor. Thank you so much for listening. You guys are the absolute best, by the way, it's a pretty huge week this current week for hard factor as will mention at the top we have the cannabis Cup the Senate in Detroit with PFC and Trinidad James, on stage with us that's gonna be fucking huge three thirty eastern to four thirty eastern. So we'll be there on four twenty got a special surprise for your four twenty. Oh, yeah. We also have our two hundred episode dropping this Thursday morning. That's two oh, oh, and you're going to want to, you know, hopefully tune into that. And hopefully also have a great fucking day.

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20VC: Raising A $1.35Bn Fund I, The Emerging Secondary Opportunity For Early Stage Managers and Founders & What It Takes To Win The Best Growth Deals Today with Ravi Viswanathan, Founder & Managing Partner @ NewView Capital

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20VC: Raising A $1.35Bn Fund I, The Emerging Secondary Opportunity For Early Stage Managers and Founders & What It Takes To Win The Best Growth Deals Today with Ravi Viswanathan, Founder & Managing Partner @ NewView Capital

"Welcome back to the twenty minute. Vc with me. Harry stubbings and you can see more from US behind the scenes here on Instagram at age. Stabbings nine thousand nine hundred ninety six BS. I always love to hear your thoughts and feedback on the show that added to our absolute stay. I alerted this gas. Incredible loss twelve months by chafing benchmark. Who made the interesting? She signs to chase him for that. But I'm very very excited to welcome Ravi Viswanathan founder and managing partner at new capital noticed in two thousand eighteen with that one point three five billion dollars Ab Fund. They've already set themselves as leaders in the world of growth funding with three massive isis in less than two years in the form of the South Platte Solta visa for five Point Three Billion Dollars Acquiesce Alta Vista accuracy. For one billion dollars and then scallops all to work day for five hundred forty million dollars pretty good. I two years there and profoundly Navy Ravi spent fourteen years at one of the largest venture firms in the business any eight where he co led the venture growth equity practice and in two thousand sixteen became Coo nea before the world of venture spent four years as a VP at Goldman Sachs and before that was McKinsey and company. But before we move into the show. Stay I WANNA take a moment to mention. Hallo sign a great example of a company that found success in building a product focused on user. Experience sign is an effortless e-signature solution. He's by millions to securely send requests legally valid digital signatures and agreements. They raised a total of sixteen million dollars in funding and recently got acquired by draw. Boss an impressive two hundred and thirty million dollars check out hello sign dot COM slash to`serve to join the thousands of companies and founders who value fast secure and simple e signatures and speaking of signatures. Getting deals done that. 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These former manage funds make investments and handle the myriad of issues that arise through refunds lifetime so to learn more about the number one most active law firm representing. Vc backed companies. Going public had I would clearly dot com and also check out curly go dot com. But that's enough for me so times dive into this incredible episode with Ravi Viswanathan Founder and managing partner at new capital. You have now arrived at your destination. Ravi it is such a pleasure to have you on the day. I had so many great things wrong. Mutual friend in the very wonderful chasing benchmarks. Thank you so much for joining me. Stay Robbie thank you for having me. I'm a huge fan of the show. That is very very kind. I promise to pay later. I do want to start with news adventures. You'll third Harar in the professional world. So how'd you make your initial entry? Fussed then how did you come to found knew most recently for sure Maya journey venture was a pretty circuitous one so a little bit of background so I was born in India grow on the East Coast and College. I went east coast and I studied bioengineering at the end of my time there. I really fascinated by science and technology in really the research in the burgeoning field material science at I want to explore more so I went to Grad School in Grad School. Uc Santa Barbara got a PhD material. Science Chemical Engineering. I really loved him back then. It was the early innings of a field. That's now notice nanotechnology back then. It was called molecular engineering so I thought it was really interesting. So I finished that in the Mid Nineties. Nineteen ninety-four came to the bay area and got a job at a company called Raid Cam. Which people probably don't know the company it's been bought a couple times thank on sold its material scientists. It's a wonderful sandbox ton of innovation ton of science so I joined Rakim business mid nineties and I like to play soccer. I play soccer with friends. At a rogue learfield Stanford on the weekends and I got to meet. New Friends are working at these crazy. Companies Call Netscape and whatnot and that really was a trigger for me and said well. Science is Great and innovation is great but I really liked maybe the commercialization of innovation versus that research of it which is kind of a stark realization after going to school for several hours of us. I thought you know what? Let me go back to business school at. I really am thinking about a pivot so into business school back east. I'd say the scientists my first or second career as a consulting went joined McKinsey after business. School is there for a couple years for me. It was a wonderful place really learn strategy. I think of it as almost post doc business world which I really needed in an early two thousand I joined the investing business I joined Goldman Sachs and back. Then people tolerated a consultants coming into ventures. Those able to squeeze in there or years loved but I really wanted to learn the craft of venture capital After just company building I wanted to go to a pure play firm and so I knew some folks at any a enjoying them. An East Coast in a couple of years moved out in the West Coast to Menlo Park. Was there fifteen. Years loved it in that time. Which BRINGS ME TO POW? We founded new view. We really looked the changing venture landscape. Changing bencher ecosystem. We found is a lot of dynamics going on one of them. Being company stained private longer another. These funds are getting raised faster bigger funding race so these colors are getting pretty large. What we found is when we were doing. This portfolio management exercised that there was a group of companies that were really high quality never growth stage. But we weren't really paying as much attention as we could have been mainly because it was either an older fund or relate but the lead partner had left. So that's what we didn't thousand orchestrated a spin out from any a with thirty odd companies. And that's how you view was formed. Which when we closed the find in late two thousand eighteen I mean I love the founding story and one Mansuri intervention. That is three times lucky. And don't wear in Europe. We still accept consultancies. Vc's so have no fear. But I do want assault on Nubia South. Because it's a I. I'm and it's also a billion dollar one at that and the question that Jason Nelson Poignant eight was fuss given the extremely large size for I. I'm fund if any fun but especially for us on how was the fundraising process fee. I went to a pretty unique process was really helped. By the fact that this was a spinoff from nea also. We were spinning off with a set number of companies that these companies if you talk to the LP's a limited partners believed them to be very high quality. I also knew a lot of these. Lp's for many many years so a vast majority of my investors in you've you're actually any investors so it was definitely a long process. And I think I probably spoke to every lawyer on planet earth in that process. Hard early should felt that way but it was wonderful process and it was fun of help by the way is myself and a bunch folks within a and a lot of other folks helping us out now when I review of all fundraiser I think we're GONNA key areas where I lived back. We did really well and I look back and think we could've done there and I would definitely change that for fun to fundraise wallner flashing. What if the while Matthias fundraise not necessarily with a lot of forethought I over index onto critical constituencies? One is obviously the LLP's and the LP's is really a lot of it was myself my background. But also telling the story of this evolving market and how we thought this could be an emerging product and emerging part of that market so. It was a lot of times from the obese but it was also a lot of time spent with these companies. They had never really experienced where you had someone in their cap table. A pretty prominent investor get replaced by someone else now. It was made easier from the fact that a lot of these companies knew me and they knew that I was with any for longtime then you the But we really did over index on the LP's as well as companies that were spinning off with us in terms of the improvement side. What would you back? We could have done better. I would change that for the second fundraise. I would say a couple things. That probably would've built team sooner. Sewn -Sconsin this process that few months and that's when we really started we need to build a team. I was really fortunate to get a wonderful founding team that was when second is we got a lot of interest and there was a pause. There were actually took a breath and really said. Oh we got this fundraise. But then I didn't really think about the next mountain. We had to cross which is really transferring. All these companies and all of the legal machinations and. I probably could have gotten more prepared for that. I just had no clue what I was getting into. But in the end companies were excited to join us the Elkins excited and it all worked out and I was able also build this wonderful teams. I mentioned I cannot imagine the legal process that goes with transferring thirty ownership roy still across multiple different talent passenger stations. I'm thrilled that that wasn't meeting that because they would not have been smuggled seamless in any way experience. It's the very rarest raising any fuss. I'm fond later of us. I'm pumped lightness chafing off. What would you record vice? Be To manage his contemplating raising that question. I would say that if you look at the limited partners. They are literally getting inundated with hundreds of firms that are raising capital. Many of whom are incredibly established firms that have decades and decades of experience in track records returns and then there's tons of new firms also trying to the market. I would probably say to any of these managers. We talk to our companies. Our portfolio companies by getting product market fit. I would probably have each of these firms. Say what is your product market fit in the ecosystem. How will you differentiate? How're you novel unique? How can you convince L. Teaser? Best-in-class returns because that's what after the good news for these new emerging managers. Lp's are increasingly getting excited about fresh new ideas as it pertains of interest. I think that's a positive but I'd say the biggest thing is just recognize the sea of other firms are doing the exact same thing you are and try really hard figuring out how you could. I really not not in terms of the product market fit and I'm jumping the scheduled around half but in terms of market fat. You mentioned the evolving landscape that we're really in staving different than ever. There's more billion dollar funds. As one hundred billion dollar rounds only have gone on the show. He said the Shade Awesome Capsule. Say is his biggest challenge. So I guess plus how would you assess the state ecosystem stay? Would you agree with Gordon? Saying the quantum of capitalists the biggest challenge as with most things bill early says. I generally tend to agree in ten degrees and I think he's dead right if you look at the history of At least a moderate last twenty twenty five years two thousand one hundred million was either raised. Invested in that movie did not end well as we all out so I just think anytime you have an influx of capital into any asset class just a sheer volume of capital. Coming in much more by multiple. Usually what you seize returns degrade so I do think that that is an issue having said that there are incredible companies getting started if you look at innovation. I mean our good friend. Jason talked a lot about a SAS. Revolution effect resulted in the early innings. There's there's a ton of companies to be built and there's a ton of innovation that's happening and we've only scratched the surface many areas in the technology landscape. I do think there is a lot of companies to be built but I absolutely agree that sheer amount of capital is a concern in. Use Up to figure out how you win and I think differentiating yourself in making up. Top of mind with these entrepreneurs critical. I'm really about kind of how you win. Being top of mind that in mind for people is often being the most visible being the most vocal be at twitter followers bid content machines. Everyone has different strategies winners today often easier to spot earlier given perfect information we have around data so I guess my question view is how do you think about what it takes to clearly win and get into the very best deals today at stages where them more well-known and more pronounce? Maybe years gone by. I think that you have to have a reason. Why this entrepreneur wants you in the Cap Table For us. A lot of it is relationship building much of this profession as sales and relationship building building relations with elite. Ceo's lead founders and also figuring out how do you add value because if you add valley just with a check and maybe the cheapest check it's really not gonna cut it in terms of getting into the best companies or conversely having the best chance to getting out than causal such an important part of his business relationship Business and really showing that your top of mind not just with your following but specific to that company. That your top of mind because you could bring something to the table. That others can't in terms of value add. These Yvonne is such. An interesting wanted bluntly. I sound very arrogant. But I didn't mean to me I think. In most cases it's launched a little bit of hotter. I always say one not things incredibly well devote yourself to be fundraising and hiring and the rest. I'm not going to touch and be very upfront. Spout that how do you think about why you're like outsized? Are WIFE COMPANIES? Have taken you view. Money isn't how do you commit to them? I think you're spot on in terms of most of wants out. There is hot air couplers front that we do have a pretty heavy operational value. Add model several operating partners. And I think where we invest which is a lot more mid later stage when you're hyper scaling. Companies the operational value add is critical whether it's product finance go to market so that is critical. But I think you hit it on the head when you said that really a lot of it is make sure that the right people are in the right seats and really get out of the way. Make sure they're well-capitalized totally right. Ceo is in place and really. Just let the next. You'd I find that where companies start. Failing is when boards overactive. And start micromanaging or vice versa. Amass when you see deterioration but really pretty simple lease in our coach now having said that you still have to make sure that you can prove that you can add value. Some of that could be I value by knowing making my spots staying away and make sure that we support you another works tightly especially kind of in times of ninety exact spot where you fit in can I ask. I'm always told that I'm not controversial enough on the show. I always disagree degree with people which I think is vehemently on fat boss. That property rights as well. My question is. I always say to found this. Listen if you're going to do the Operational Model Hal. It makes sense to do if your dream than you have. Fifty people in recruitment twenty in marketing planning and products and really. You can invest at such large scales into really building How do you think about battening? Shirring not operational team is effective. If you don't have the resources to deploy and the structure to deploy that Andreessen does yeah for sure. We have nowhere near that. I think it's just picking and choosing your spots. One of our operating partners has been product veteran. For Twenty thirty years he gets embedded in the companies in really helps but helps in a way. That's more advisory Is Kinda taking over? You also don't want to do that for two important reasons. Whenever that happens usually the complexity great pretty quickly in the second ends. You WanNa make sure you help the company's not do it for them so for us. It's like I mentioned just really egging choosing where we can be helpful and value add and a lot of it really is making sure that they have the right folks terms of recruited the danger. Is you start getting operational in your company's they see oh this help from our. Vc's that's awesome. You really not helping the company where you help the company is you really help diagnose or where can we be helpful? Who's the right person in that seat again? Getting back to I said so much of this business is just the right people starving to see your in the right seat and letting them execute. I totally agree with you. In terms of being in the right seat my question to you is to something you said you said you know about winning it. Sometimes people go for being the cheapest money in terms of the actual excessive nature that we have today. Emeka system I have financial machines never turned down. A deal based on. Monetization is a mental trap. So how do you think about your own price sensitivity stagey? Thanks Peter is spot on for early stage. Remember him speaking as a decade ago and he said something really Largely in this business. We are price takers for the best companies and I think that's generally been the case twenty years eventual. Maybe one or two extreme examples are exceptions. Dick cramped the founder of May would always say that for the best deals. I think he'd have to be price takers. I think for the later stage. I think it's a little different. A case in point is seeing some of these companies that go up lick at prices less than their last private round. So price does matter in the later stage. Because you're not really thinking of when you're thinking about a hundred x five hundred thousand whatever it. Those extreme early stage wins if you pay fifty percent off for two. Three X off doesn't really matter the later stage you play in the more. That does matter so for us. It is making sure that we can still get best in class returns but what I have learned in. My career is. Don't be afraid to leaning more and more price for the elite. Ceo's lead founders league companies. Why everything is kind of a career that has lasted. Can I ask? Can you pick out one and you didn't have to name names name companies or even people but can you tell me a story of maybe a major learning in price sensitivity? Wave realized that yeah. I'm I'm happy I'm having mentioned it was when workday came into our offices at nea over ten years ago. And if you didn't see the company you would notice a company it's hyper scaling. But burning a lot of capital and a lot of it was services originally right and also visited us. I believe it was April. Two thousand nine hundred. You know what that climate was back so without seeing the company would say well hyper scaling burning a lot of money big price just on paper though think well. You really have to think about that. When we heard the pitch I was probably one of the most straightforward pitches. I've ever heard in twenty years of venture meeting. We just had to fund that company and the reason for that is. There's the numbers we really have to. What is this company doing? They're really reinventing whole are of the technology ecosystem and that was a huge learning for me as yes after. Look at the numbers in. Yes you have to pay attention to price but there are going to be what I call fundamental companies and when I mean a fundamental coffee companies that really are these iconic companies that completely altered in shift the entire tech ecosystem and used to just be one or two every decade. The good news is a few every generation. And for those. You just have to figure out how you put money. Can I ask you a question? And is he spoke about of five hundred thousand Isis. That you can get with the incredible wins the early stage when you think about the multiple required on every CECCHI rice. What does that desired multiple look like is it has a chance of being tax. Is it a fightbacks? Just helped me as an early stage journalist on the mentality of Stage Manager Standard. A lot of people throw around is kind of. Let's make sure that the company is in that three to five x range but every company we invested. There has to be a threat or something where you know what this actually can get outside returns to approximate some of those tax returns because we do invest largely at the hyper growth stage with the reds risk are generally unprofitable investing for growth. You're taking on. You WanNa make sure you get compensated in the compensation as the others base return but there's something about this company. Ceo Their own product market fit. How the reshaping entire ecosystem that it can really be outside beyond yet. No I tell you the ingredient that you see companies like planet may sense. I totally agree in terms of the Catholics. Acid nature of Viga as you mentioned just seeing some quite new entrance really in terms of a lot of fun so now entering the latest stage van she game. How do you think about the approach? Shouldn't income EP thumbs into more traditional venture grades? There's a couple of ways to think about it. On the one hand you could construe it as a negative pointing says getting back to bill. Gurley said because they're coming in with fifty to two hundred and fifty million checks warned invest in are companies in that obviously is a big bowl of capital. I would say the flip side of that is they're playing in a certain strategy that even for us we might not necessarily playing terms of some of our companies. Don't necessarily league were near that much. Capital the other flip side of that coin is I think it's very healthy because remember these firms are coming in not only to invest as minority growth investors also to buy our companies which is very new vein of exits for a lot of these venture backed startups. It's really emerged. I'd say in the last decade and much more force you see a lot of these firms whether it's vista are abroad or insight doing that so I actually think it's double-edged sword you have to be careful about Amana capital but it also can be buyers of companies in certain regards it can also invest so. I can see both ways. We look at as actually net positive but it uses up to make sure that doesn't happen is the ethos of the company doesn't change meaning that much capital if you were disciplined company and you were an efficient company that continue to be that way because we have so much capital come in. That's what bad habits can start creeping in the minds. The boards and the management teams cannot sell alumni things readings. Nancy is the ultimate of that kind of the complete contrast of that which is when you lean for so long and then you get given a large sum of money often find a mental transition to actually going for grace being a challenge for the founders. Audi do you think bob device found is on the transition from extremely lean Cost Approaches to really pouring fuel on the fire when they have a model. That was what advice. Would you give them in? Tom's mental transition. You see really in smaller markets. Where there isn't as much venture now we've done deals in. Toronto AND ATLANTA Ago where they're used to actually operating with a very lean mindset because there just wasn't so much a venture out there now in this firms get a lot more capital. I think for US really it is. They're coming from a good place. That's the first major coming from an efficient mindset. That's always a good place to come from. It's really thinking about right. Where is the stickiness of this again? I keep saying product market fit an you scale that efficient. There's two ways to think about it. You get this capital you just flush it in marketing right whereas the other way to think about is really have metrics say okay. This is where the efficiency metrics are such that you can spend more and still grow profitably. And that's what we spend a Lotta time with our management teams thinking through and then the overlay on that is how big a market. They're going after where vision. So if you're going up to a big market and you are leader dead you actually WanNa lean in more with capital whereas if you get a lot more capital it's still very murky in terms of the competitive intensity will you don't want to do is just flood the market with capital because your competitor probably do that and that usually doesn't end well for anyone in that space nine that's always a warring thing. See speaking of kind of the quantum of capsule Erin kind of flooding the market with it. You mentioned fifty to two hundred and fifty million checks at P. R. I. Mrs Traditional the amounts that people would raise it does and judge them before he was Pacific around this and you mentioned it earlier in terms of companies. Lang going public much longer much further out to an awesome. What are your thoughts on the debate of staying private buses going public earlier? I think that if it for the right reason I think it's great so companies staying private longer because they want to get their metrics into best in class they want to hit the corporate governance boards in shape to be a public company. That's great reason. They want to get to scale before ten fifteen years ago. Sas companies with one hundred million. You can go public now. It's actually more like two hundred so companies. Jason knows really well. There was also you'll solve. That was the case. Zero could've gone earlier but chose to really say private longer. But really for the right reason. I think on the flip side. There's folks that are staying private longer. Because they see an arbitrage and valuation so to speak that they think okay we can get a higher price staying private which is going. I think that's the wrong reason. So really is depends on retreat in the other way to think about it as at the end of the day. You can stay private longer. But you really do need to figure out a way to give liquidity to your investors your venture investors and even your employees. Because if you don't do that venture capital really doesn't work and when you see when bencher has its desert as is really when there's a prolonged Kareem. There isn't a lot of liquidity. It'd be market-driven generally speaking three otherwise but you do have to figure that out now. There is a solution again with these private equity firms. You still can stay private but you still liquidity. And that's affectively exchanged cap table with a control investor some of these private equity firms. Oh you're taking me. I'm so while hair and I'm just loving this conversation but the other question that I always have is. How do you think about when to Salam what I mean by that? Is You know I had shown on the show. And he said the best early stage mom inches will be able to navigate secondary market sufficiently. I'm obviously going in much lace with your position but I'm just intrigued. How you think. How do you think about when to sell? How much the position to sell? And just navigating secondary markets which all much more fluid in liquid today. I think that a lot of times you know really begins and ends with a CEO in the founding team. Let's say sowing the whole company. And really do they have it in them? And having a really dispassionate intellectually honest conversation that we can get x now but can you really translate that to why not sell it and I think a lot of times the answer. Is You know what we can. We're not getting the value. Thank just hitting of the knee of the curve in terms of the inflection point in creating value for ourselves in the market flip side of that is we're getting an amazing multiple. Whatever that is in order for us to take the return we would have gotten out and multiply three four or five ax holding affects reveres. The risk return really doesn't make sense and that's when you think okay. Maybe it's better this a wonderful outcome for everyone. We should think about selling but a lot of it really is enclosed consultation with the founding team. Because you may WANNA hold a founding team manger to really are closest to the field obviously if they see a market transition they are getting tired and they think you know what. This is a great outcome. Ben Obviously we let em drive it. So maybe this is why as they speak misalignment between venture and found because I see often a lot of times. Actually we're not a lot of times but I've seen multiple times over the loss years lab. Abc's push towards an accident where founder withdraw the Staying the distance and as the monkey mechanic. Achy I'm raising a second fund. I need to return. The quantities. Mile Peas haven't delivered any cash on cash. Whatever that can afford to may be Murphy in the mechanics of actual funds fundraising. Would you agree that? That's a misalignment. And how many think that potential missile between founder VC given that liquidity point? It's a great question. Also you just articulated slide in our in our deck which is one of their is. We have played a role in your dead right to think about the current of a venture backed startup about a decade. If you think about the length of a funded generally a decade you can extend that ear to say deck. And how many years do you have to invest in a fund or commit capitals about four or five years so you could invest in the second half of your commitment during the funding early stage deal and when it's really starting to take form takes shape you're already getting to the end of your fund life so? I think that there is a misalignment but I think that's where you could have a secondary sale at scale where some of these investors need to show liquidity founding team. They feel like they really. WanNa keep this going and I think it's very very healthy to effectively switch out some of these earlier investors give them a return a really high. All you were turned and then in their shoes other investors can step in our the way the private equity folks have been doing this for many many years. They just call it. Sponsored a sponsor deals where they buy company they build it and then they take public or many many times they just sell it to another firm and that cycle repeats itself so I totally agree that there is a misalignment but I think that there are solutions opportunities inform. We really believe in that. That's one of the areas that we planned at valley already shown that I think that absolutely is an opportunity either but you neva engaging kind of secondary buying from preceding seed funds looking for those early liquidity opportunities. We do because if you think about seed funds a lot of an amazing returns a lot of that is more. Tv Pi total value may not have got a lot of equity because these great companies and they continue to create value but they just haven't had distribution liquidity and a lot of these funds started. Maybe seven eight ten years ago on their third or fourth fund. And we've seen more and more where there I fun. They have great companies and they want to take some chips table Absolutely is an opportunity for us. Yeah no I totally agree. How do you think about found a secondaries as well? We're seeing more and more found a secondary is II Vena Angel Ambassad and the founders large amounts to secondary's how you feel about that and Rachi was saying an industry being built around the financing and found the secondary's Team Secondary's happy. You think about it the way I am thinking about it. I think it's very reasonable for founder. Who's been incredibly hard at work for five ten whatever number of years to take some liquidity? We think about is. What's a prudent amount where this person's behavior doesn't change on the one hand if they want to sell a small percentage of their stock to get some liquidity? And it's more of a pressure release mechanism for them. Personally we actually encourage in. We've done that in the past both new view as well as the flip side is when you see. Some boundaries take massive amounts of capital off the table. Wonder is okay. That fire in the belly. Has THAT BEEN EXTINGUISHED WITH MONEY? So that they actually change how they think about building business. That's what you could get into some misalignment. We actually think it's very very healthy. That honors founders early employees managing member. I think you're gonna see that increasingly over the next five to ten years as companies. Choose to stay private longer. We've talked a lot about institutions getting liquidity. I think employees and founders exacts absolutely will take part in that as well as they should and I think that's an a rating ecosystem with the diversification of angels a wide variety of people having assets to liquidity. And actually kind of recounting not into the system again and recycling. That not super exciting. I do one more thing to quickfire. Robert is the question for me that I think about a loss in venues the institutional investing game in exposes and you sat on many fantastic worlds many make mistakes when it comes to scaling that board. I think that a huge mistake is not bringing in operators in independence. Soon enough what happens? Is You have the normal progression where they're more and more rounds getting raised in yet another. Vc AGAINST US another VC joins the board. And then you want to go public and you literally have abortive. Seven to ten people and two thirds of them are VC. So not bringing independence not bringing in diversity early enough. I think is something that I've seen and some mistaken. I think should endeavour not get to. That point cannot say my business partner. Fried says is GT. Bouma spilled the kind of relationship of intimacy with the founder where they can really tell you anything about that business all that life. I'm just having that true honest dialogue relationship. How do you think about gracing such close knit relationships with those founders at the board level? That's kind of a great lesson is kind of younger me. Fifteen twenty years ago to being on boards in the older me now is what I tell. People is build really close personal relationships with the CEOS founders reason. You do that. They're going to share more into develop the trust. You're GonNa Cross that chasm where you actually become a trusted partner and so when you go through tough times in most every company does not all. You need to make tough decisions. They view as a partner. Not just as an investor and the tough calls and you'll actually choose should never be the first call something happens. They call you whether it's funding issue or strategic issue or a team issue. And you're able to add a lot more value so I think that would be something that I totally agree. And every time I get in or I I try to build a strong relationship. Even before we invest just to make sure that we're all some paddock terms of how we think our value systems are aligned and next after getting on the board and make sure that you build a great relationship with the CEO and exacting file wasn't Achy. Everyone knows it forgets the relationship with fellow board members. It's such an interesting one because you compete inbound. And then he said on both of them on the same team but having a really close-knit collaborative aligned relationship with fellow board members. I've also found transformative. I don't know by that's a great point. Yeah I've been on boards where there wasn't that close knit collegiality. And now I try to do the opposite. So I tell. Ceo's your investors right. You're bored and when I'm coming into a company I a special close attention to the board and I make sure I wanNA talk to all of them and make sure that again. The were all value system your line. I think it's a great as I said. I just joined my fast now. Three bullets in the last year. What advice would you have me having joined my first three boards this year? I think I mentioned it before but build a close relationship with CEO. But I'd also say focused on adding value in your own way could be something. Very specific finance product Ceo Coach Cetera. And so if you build a close relationship you're able to view that in a different Lens and I would try to just focus on where you can add value early on a member. Years and years ago tried to add value to many different ways realizing what? Your job is really not to do that. Job is to pick your spots where you can actually be creative. The company and the CEO and really focusing on that does it matter if it's a significant points but that throughout the life cycle of the company so there are clear advances having me on board in terms of ability to reach in attain the best options on the West Coast East Coast and having our especially nearer. Boss honestly is not surround. The life cycle of the company and it happens maybe once every twelve to eighteen months. Sure but in the interim that's impulsive syndrome and self doubt creeps in because you're not adding value really in that interim well. I would resist the temptation to try to add value. That's where a lot of mistakes are made where you add value these discreet moments. And then you really WanNa have value throughout but you realize you're actually not deluding yourself. So actually think at spot on just because in the whole life cycle company. Where you're doing is you're playing the long game. I encourage him to play the long game at value. Will you can't for example. Even the folks that say for example product veterans. It's not like they necessarily value at every stage may be a product rollout or think about building the tea and then you let others jump in and add value so with the CEO get is of or the actually has role players that can come in and really deeply add value at the right time and Fuchsias built the right or then. It's because someone's always coming in at a certain point stepping up and that's okay as well. That's easy reassuring. Tasse Cranky for that one I do want to finish the quickfire around Ravi so you know the drill. I say statement and you hit me with your immediate all ready to rock and roll. Yes I am okay. Twenty twenty is the year of books. Me I'm sure it won't be but I'm trying my best. What's your favorite book? And why I'm going to start off by cheating and give you two books. His shoe dog. I think that's a classic for me. It's the tale of how Phil Might. Bill Nike is just fascinating journey. He went through to build a company and the second. So that's more professional. The second was trevor. No is born a crime so this is about his life growing up in South African apartheid South Africa just staggering. What he went through and it wasn't even that many years ago and I'd say the thread between the two just how each of these individuals and totally different ways overcame hardship one massively on the personal side the other on the professional side. So those who are my favorites. We just played the ball bowled staff. He's the Best Ball Membe Sadhana bold with them. Why I would say Tom Bogan? Tom is a senior executive at workday. Now he was. Ceo of adapted incites. I was on board with him in the AQUA board with him and I would say just the best board member I've ever worked with just had incredible credibility he was a seasoned operator who's also seasoned venture capitalist in a tremendous. Ui User interface approach. Who's able to deliver tough messages able relate yet all the board members mantra teams on the same page and I learned a ton from him. He's really exceptional. I actually had him on the show before so. I'm thrilled to hear that. That's the answer that. Tell me what most people say most frequently revived by two and why is pretty boring motto in that is focused and execute a find that there are so many distractions these days when it comes to companies just general just tell my entrepreneurial my friends my kids who listen to focus on what you need to do the job at hand and just really execute find the elite leaders? That's what the really good at. What is the single biggest challenge? If you're always navy today. I think it definitely is time. Management which is obviously a broad umbrella term was just spending time sourcing but also giving enough time to the portfolio and also building a firm and building team which is obviously very new compared to my life at all it is a different game entirely with the management buses. Dane investor. Totally different game. Tell me what are you doing now that you wish you don't at the start of your career in venture. I would say the single biggest thing that I would tell myself is just focused much more on the quality of the founders and actually the the CEO. I think early on you. Know you can get seduced by product or technology or the height of certain market or company. But really it could be spending a decade Your founder really focus on the quality of that. I've been really fortunate to have a couple several that I just found to be just fundamentally amazing so that would be my biggest lesson learnt and then vinyl one was the most recent publicly announced investment fee. I'm why did she say yes and get so excited? You know as an easy one. It's plaid which I was part of the team that lead the season Nea many years. Ago So I know Zack has been on your show and I think the world of him so my top priority. After founding new views figuring out a way to invest so is very fortunate and lucky to be able to invest in. I mean such named grabble outcome down. Yeah it was incredible in the show but I wanted to see this. Ever since. I so Jason's tweet. He signs to chase them setting this up and he's lines ti being so willing to go totally off schedule with my questions and providing for things honestly. I absolutely loved it. Thank you so much. I really enjoyed it myself. Such national and free flowing discussion there. And I'd like to say that pretty much. None of those questions were on the schedule. 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BTS #30 Morris Beegle of WAFBA on Industrial Uses of Hemp and Mushrooms

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BTS #30 Morris Beegle of WAFBA on Industrial Uses of Hemp and Mushrooms

"More Spiegel I am the CO founder and president of Waft Bow we are for better alternatives. You're listening to the curious about canvas podcast. Everybody Jason Nelson with a curious about cannabis podcast. Thanks so much for tuning tuning in once again as today I am sitting down with one of the really big names in the him space, or the minds behind Wathba, which is, we're for better alternatives also. One of the big minds behind the noko hemp. Expo is one of the I think the biggest. Hemp Conference in the on the planet. I'm here with more Spiegel thanks so much. Morris for being willing to come on the podcast today. My, pleasure Jason thanks for having me on. Yeah absolutely I'm. Really excited to hear your sort of your unique perspective on the hemp industry because. Today it's so prevalent that when people think of hemp industry think of CB. And one thing I like about a lot of your messaging is trying to make sure the conversation stays. You know more broad about how the canvas plant can be used for all sorts of purposes, and and you know the resin rich production of canvas plants is one aspect, but there's a lot more to it so are I'm really interested to hear your experiences. I mean one thing just to kick it off just to kind of set the stage here you once sort of earlier on when you were transitioning from your background music and all that into him space. You're actually. Built on guitar out of him. Well. I didn't actually build it and you can see behind me here. Those those two that blue end the Kinda red oranges, both of those are him composite Shell. Yeah, so it's it's actually just a thin layer of of hemp fiber composite. That's wrapped around would core. And there's some guys in Canada that have been making guitars since I believe two thousand thirteen, and so I hooked up with those guys and bought a couple of their guitars and then sense. They've made several guitars for me under the name of Silverman Ham. And beyond that we've we've started to make other him. Guitars with some builders out of Atlanta, using different materials that are produced in Kentucky, produced in Idaho and basically grown in processed here in the United States, so we're still in the process of of figuring out how to build guitars and Guitar Cabinets, and Combo Amplifiers out of Hampton which you'll see back to mobile cabinet setting back there those are all. Cabinets made out of Particle Board and they've got him. Speaker cone speakers in them, so it's all him. Yeah. That's the fascinating I feel like right away. That probably will surprise a lot of people that that's even some where you can go with him. What he noticed between a sort of a standard. Would you know bodied guitar and with him composite? How do they compare as far as The field? Wait sound that sort of thing. Would these composite guitars behind me? They're actually quite light and sonically there. They sound really good. You can load them with whatever pickups bank. I've I've got P nineties which sure? Rock pickups at that sound good and. And what we're. GonNa do with the new guitars and the new Combo amps and stuff is. We're GONNA really really spend a lot of time a being against other guitars and amplifiers, and in the out there just to see how they how they stand up, and what little variances are differences I mean when it comes to. Sound and tone, people are pretty picky as to like and. It all comes down to ease like things more bride alike things a little darker, so the guitars themselves. The would that we're using on the new ones. It's The HIP would company out of Kentucky and they're. They're basically taking stocks. They press them down into into a hard. Similar like they do with bamboo flooring and Selena using that material, and it's a real hardwood, so it's it's. It'll be interesting to see how they sound against a hard Mahogany in a hard maple. Yeah, and what? To give the folks listening a little bit of background on you. What led to this focus in your world towards him? Well I've been a cannabis user and supporter for a long time, since I was in unites on. And that was really more on the recreational side than anything and. I went into the music industry in the late eighties, and and from there I worked for large music and video company in Atlanta then in California and then I moved back to Colorado where I grew up. And started a music production company in Nineteen Ninety Five, and when I moved back yard. Die Moved to Fort Collins and there was a store there called the emperor, whereas are actually the emperor whereas no. It was aimed after the emperor whereas no close by Jack Hair, and so I became familiar with him side of things to a degree, all the different uses from textiles and clothing and rope, and so and motions and food, and that was long before. CBD Was Fang Your CBD's. A later phenomenon here in the last I don't know five six years. Not The people weren't investigating it doing things, but prior ten fifteen twenty years ago, but Really on this hemp side of things just all popped up in the last. Since two, thousand, twelve, two, thousand, thirteen, two, thousand, fourteen, wants the legislation passed here in Colorado with amendments sixty four in the farm bill of two thousand, fourteen than opened to. US The country to open up pilot programs. I mean again cbd wasn't a thing. And when I got into the hemp industry in two thousand twelve, we started Colorado Ham company. It was really coming out of the music industry because the music industry itself had gone through a lot of changes with the Internet and physical media, going away and I was in the in the CD business and doing physical CDs. Physical Distribution, how many record stores are left in the country now? Not Very many. You know nobody. Nobody has a CD department in their anymore. No More K., marts Walmart's. Our best buys or any of that. Yeah exactly I remember. I was in late high school or so when one of the big tower records locations closed. and. That was such a big You know a big shakeup to. Of I mean I'm a musician myself, and so it's something that I've always. been involved in to remember when my old high school band we recorded our first album, and how big of a deal it was to get that CD in the in the you know the the case and everything and actually hold it and. and then I didn't see Mike much long after that everything's totally shifted, and it's really changed the way musicians and agents and promoters all these you know, every level of the music industry has had to think about how to adapt and in transition Yeah, it's been a wild ride. Has Been Awhile dried, and I still am involved in the music industry to some degree, and I'll still press. CD here and there for people that worked with for twenty or thirty years and hey, we want to make a CD just run. A hundred copies are a couple of. Give away to friends to to ever may still have a CD player in the car in their computer. 'cause those things don't come with CD now. I know, it's weird. It's weird. Vinyl vinyls out selling CDs right now, which was yeah to think about? It really is yeah. It's something that you know fifteen years ago. People would laugh at if he told them that, and yeah, now look at where we are, and and so you you. This transition started the Colorado hip company and I know Just from some of. My reading on some of your companies and your background and everything I know you did a little bit of work looking at like him. Paper and some other products kind of trying to get a sense of what you could do with him of wooded that all look like as it evolved towards this path around eventually lead towards Noko Hemp Expo and all of that. So, we actually do have a him paper company and. Writer, so hey, this him stock paper and We created this paper right here. This was the pope was grown, or the the fiber in this was grown in Colorado, and it was pulped in Colorado by Puram technology, and then it was manufactured in Boulder by handmade paper company that does see paper, and so that paper right? There's got fifty percent in it and then fifty percent post consumer recycled material. It's a real specialty paper that we do limited edition posters on. But there's another paper company called Greenfield paper that we've worked with since two thousand thirteen. The creates a commercial grade. There's several different weights. We've got a card stock weight that we use for business cards. And then there's a wider card stock way that you can use for business cards or poster is or brochures, and then a couple of other lighter stocks in that that can be used for posters and flyers, and so forth so we do still do a lot of him. Paper Printing for business cards and marketing collateral, and and that was really the second thing that happened with Colorado car company launched in two thousand twelve drapery ham launched in two thousand, Thirteen Noko Him Bax launched in two thousand fourteen. Fifteen, we launched. Let's talk camp and it's like we continue to add little entities underneath our umbrella and twenty fifteen. We actually started walk, but we are better alternatives to house all of our different entities in event brands, and so on, and now we've got I. Don't know a dozen or so brands underneath the umbrella. Yeah, it's interesting to watch it evolve these different avenues. That you and your groups of folks that you work with or are exploring. It's super fascinating and one thing I wanted to. This is gonNA. Tie into a lot of things, but one thing I wanted to ask you is. What has been the response when. You present alternatives to. Companies like for instance with the paper. Let's say you wanted some business to switch over to paper that's based in him and a recycled materials, and that's where thing what's generally the response that you receive to that, and what are some of the kind of hurdles? You've gotTa jump through to get people to view these alternatives as viable. Well people are generally pretty welcoming of having an option. That's a greener, yeah, sustainable option utilizing him paper. The biggest hurdle is the cost right now. The cost of let's say running a thousand business cards on him. Paper compared two thousand business cards at this print, the as ninety percent tree pulp. And ten percent post consumer recycled. there. You'RE GONNA pay about three to. Three to four times more going using him paper at this point in time, so it's really gotta be a commitment of you. Know I believe that this is the way it has to go. And until the industry can produce enough material on a large enough scale to then bring to the paper and packaging industry that hey, we've got a viable feedstock to replace your wood pulp at a cost. It's very. Competitive to that you know it's it's. It's a premium product so with the push bag. It has definitely. Revolving around price most of the time. Yeah and do you see The CBD industry possibly slowing down that progress towards getting him farms of focused on We're thinking bigger beyond The Resin and the reason I ask that is because I talked to him farmer recently. said that he was concerned that all of the focus on CD and CD would dissuade and farmers from exploring other avenues. something went to present to us well. That's certainly been the case when we start when we really launched this in Twenty, twelve and twenty thirteen in two thousand, fourteen, going into it was. it was really based around the industrial side of. The traditionally is. The stock in the grain, so the being able to make construction materials or animal, bedding or textiles, or you know bioplastics going into the future with the stock material on Mcginn paper and packaging, and then the grain side of it with shelled him seeds, and the hamper parts and protein powder and a Mo- feed. You know that's the traditional Industrial Hampton and there's a huge huge market just waiting to happen once we scale up that side of it, and when all of a sudden here come CBD and you can make all this money from it. It was really a green Russian. It's been a green rush up until this last growing season where all of a sudden we grew. Several, hundred thousand acres worth of material, and all of a sudden everybody's stuck with all this material that's not processed, or it is processed, and you're setting on crude. You're setting on. Isolate said on distillates. You're setting on a lot of material out there because the market just isn't mature enough yet, and there's been roadblocks from the regulatory agencies whether that's a USDA in the DA leading up to this and now the FDA has. Been, very, ambiguous about allowing CBD in cab into the food system or the supplements system. I think we all know that Congress's intent was to legalize this entire plant that this plant can go into the food system and dietary supplements and the industrial side, and it's all legal, but the the FDA has been a big hindrance to the CBD side of things, and that's that's really the driving factor as to why so many people are studying all this material. once once the FDA clarifies the regulations and. That they do. It as a food ingredient, which they should again, that was the intent of Congress in Congress probably is going to have to step in at some point in really clarify things for the FDA because the FDA is. JUST THE FDA AN! They're not a real friendly agency towards human health and they're supposed to be. The Diet the supplements industry has seen this for thirty years, and has fought back and forth with amount of variety of natural plant medications and. And compounds. Exactly, that's. Now go ahead. Oh I was just GonNa say so that the CB thing has been. It's been great for the industry to. educate the public that hey, here's industrial hemp even though this really isn't the industrial use of it's really the therapeutic health and wellness side of. But all the materials that that that plant is can also go into making great foods and superfoods as well as all these industrial applications that really is going to be the game changer from climate environmental standpoint. Yeah absolutely in. have you seen? I know one thing that some of these CD farmers are wanting to do is to try to get their waste products, their stocks and everything pushed into the industrial side, and turned into fiber and everything, but some. It's been on my mind that don't know the answer to is Do. You know how the waste materials from CD farms compare to the materials that you would normally use if you're planning on making him paper and stuff and you're growing crops. With the idea that you're gonNA, be processing it I would imagine. Some of these CD plants I. Mean they're? You know they are short, squatty female canvas plants with very thick stalks, and everything like that. So how does how does that compare? Does it translate the same? Win The CD farmers. You know these stocks from those farms compared to maybe the sort of longer smaller may be easier to break apart kinda stocks that they might be using in other other him farms for other industrial purposes. while. There hasn't been a lot of emphasis up until the last several years about using that waste material as Industrial has been used in the past and the machinery. That's been out there to to court a kate in prosser up stocks. Has Really Been. Developed for traditional industrial hemp and now we've got all this waste material. That's like you said the Christmas tree squatty. Marijuana plants that. I think that. The the compounds and the the consistency of the cellulose, and so forth in the collaborate hamp. So with. Christmas, tree cannabinoid ham compared to traditional industrial hemp for going into. Industrial Processes I think that there's still a lot of research to be done. Think that. From textile standpoint, YOU'RE NOT GONNA. See any of this national. Christmas tree end up in in our shirts in our hats, and that sort of thing because that's that fiber is a real that that's the high in fiber in a lot of the short fibres at you're going to get from the Christmas tree stuff is. Probably going to be just fine for going into. the paper and packaging market in the bioplastics and composites market. That's where I would see. A lot of work and development going on with that. That's where I see them material ending up which we're going to need. So much material when it comes to bioplastics in the future that's. That's the big play on that waste mature, and I also see you can make that into bio, Char and other. Materials that can go right back into the ground that will help our soil in help. Clean up the the crap that continues to pollute our. I know yeah. I'm I'm definitely excited about how. Cannabis plants in general can be used in an overall At whatever BUZZWORD YOU WANNA. Use these days. permaculture sustainable agriculture ecological. Way of farming, but but being able to buy a car is something that have a little bit of experience with that that I get excited about teaching about and so many other ways using them as companion plants to other crops, all sorts of different ways the plant can be used in the field and to segue into some things that you were just talking about so we're talking about plastic six Another thing that I've seen recently is. A use of him in. Basically stripping away everything except for the carbon that is you know in that material and using it as was a super passengers or something. For for batteries, basically to get graphene sheets out of it. I'm so yeah. What are you most excited about? In terms of looking towards the future in the uses of him, and what are and maybe we touched on the main tube, but what are some of the uses of hemp that you think people may be? aren't as aware of that you WANNA. Make sure that they know about. I think that there's going to be. A lot of innovation that will be coming down the road as far as plant based materials that can replace petroleum based material. And, guess what what is set out there. Anything that can be made from a hydrocarbon can be made from carbohydrate, and it seems the technology has been subsidized for this petrochemical. World for the last hundred years, and really not for. The AG road when it comes to be made whether that's biofuels whether that's a plastics or composites. Now that we know the damage that petroleum's done to our planet, the last fifty or sixty years and we have to reverse course I think that. You'll see like the the oil and gas industry. WHO's very smart and the things that they've been able to figure out to do with petroleum? I think we'll see a lot of engineering and technological innovation starting to happen with plant material particularly with him. because they're such a excitement around right now. We've been talking about him can do this. Him Can do that, right. So I would say that you mentioned the the energy storage with nanotechnology graphing replacement materials I think that's super exciting in that will make a lot of progress in that over the course of the next three five ten years. other things I don't think that people really aware of the his used for animal bedding is one an animal food, which is still got a clear hurdles with the FDA. If humans can eat it. Why can't animals? He did the. The research already been done out. Their animals love him seats, the the profile of the protein and mangoes and Amino acids. It's just. It's a very very healthy. Food. And we can benefit from any of the F for those of us that are meat eaters we can benefit from our livestock, being as healthy as possible and being as you know nutrient rich, just like we would want from from plants as well and You're touching on a really interesting point that I'm always excited when our discussions of canvas spin out into broader discussions, this idea of. What you can do with hydrocarbons. You can do with carbohydrates I think that is something that A lot of people are totally unaware of and generally don't think about. Because that that option is not usually presented, people have heard of you know using vegetable oils and things two power cars and you know they've seen sometimes some very sort of low tech ways That plant products are used as alternatives to petroleum products and stuff like that, but the what you're talking about the level of innovation that's coming and. The level of sophistication that comes with that that we're going to be able to do things that I? Really going to change how we think about energy how we think about you know all all of these different things I think that is really great, and it doesn't stop with cannabis in this applies to all sorts of crops in cannabis's one plant in this sort of broader arsenal of ours that we have to do things differently and to touch on the whole point of Wafa. The these alternatives you. You know trying to find these these better alternatives in canvas can be a great stepping stone towards discovering a lot of interesting things and what we can do with plants and fungi broadly something. I wanted to bring up that I thought was really interesting. Is I know that and we can talk more about this in a second, but I know that the hemp expo had to get rescheduled because of. The coronavirus stuff that came in. And I'm sure that was a massive undertaking a figuring out how to. Respond to that shuttle. One thing I was excited about about the hemp expo was that you're adding Was it a Mushroom Pavilion So, you're trying to educate people about the uses of mushrooms and fungi, as well and sort of expanding this conversation starting with him, but then go, and well beyond it, which is really exciting to me so. What drove you to. Start to bring a focus to mushrooms. Several things with. A we decriminalize mushrooms in Denver bag last year which I think we're the first city in the country to actually decriminalize, if not the first one of the first. And I think that mushrooms are another one of these things that can provide so many benefits to humankind. That's a natural. It's been. With US forever, it's probably the. Living Organism on the planet, and after watching fantastic fungi. Damage and It's like wow, this is just really amazing. Here's here's the next thing after cannabis and I see. Hemp is in cannabis as leading the way, but there are other alternatives and you know. Can we lead the way, and then can there be all these other plants and fungi kingdom that can really transform society, and in our environment and our climate over the course of the next ten twenty thirty fifty years. Because if we don't make some serious changes as a society, our society is going to have significant issues going forward report. We're not gonNA. Make It. Yeah I mean we were staring. These problems in the face received them coming and. You know the time that we do have even though it's getting more and more limited, and it is kind of this race sometime. The time we have is a gift. To figure this out and figure out how we want to organize ourselves and this whole idea of how do we want to organize ourselves? I mean it's obviously brought to the forefront now with everything going on with all the protests against systemic inequalities and police brutality lease other things than the coronavirus bringing up all these discussions about how to handle public safety. It's just like. So many things right now are pushing to really think critically about how humans should organize themselves. What type of world we want to live in and how we want to step into the future and so it's it's interesting that all of this is sort of swirling together and so many things seem to be hitting a peak at the same. At the same time it's. Almost too much to handle, but it is an amazing opportunity to get creative and so, what's an I haven't followed what the plan is now since the hemp expo had to get rescheduled, so, do you mind speaking a little bit? About what was that process like of you? I assume because I know other people that were event organizers stuff going through this kind of on the edge of their seats, trying to see what's happening with the coronavirus. What's happening with stay at home orders? How big of an issue is this? How do we need to respond quickly? Do we need to respond? Said you mind talking a little bit? About what that was like personally for you of trying to decide how to handle that situation? And then what did you end up doing? And how are you going to You know basically all of this kind of effect how you think about the expo going forward. So! I guess that's a lot to. UNPACK your. we were out in Anaheim at the beginning of March for Expo West, which is the largest natural products expo in the world that's produced by new hope media. We're good friends of ours. And who we look up to as here's an event that has thirty five hundred exhibitors and almost one hundred thousand ten days, and we were out there to speak. They kick it off with a him forum and we were. We're going to be speaking on this Tuesday the second, the third of March and We're out there on the Monday and all of a sudden. They're they're? A whole bunch of people whole bunch of companies were pulling out, and we're not going to be there. And all of a sudden. They pulled the plug after companies were already setting up on the floor, and it was just a a real cluster. Yeah, as to like wow This could really be something that you know. Hopefully. We're not going to have to cancel Noko three weeks down the road or four weeks down the road. And so, we were really starting to pay attention to what other event producers we're doing out there. WHO WAS GONNA try to fight the good fight and keep going on? The show must go on, and so we were really watching south by South West If. These guys go through. Then you know we're GONNA go through, but if they pull the plug than we're gonNA need to react really quick, and so we got back. I think it was on March. Sixth so Thursday and And we'd all been talking with. Various, crew, and our Our venue in our hotel and And then on that Friday I think it was the. Sixty seventh south by southwest finally caved and said Hey. You know we're. We're not gonNA, do it? And so we got with our whole team and to see if we could reschedule in not cancel the event, and they of the give our Oliver Attendees, and Oliver Exhibitors and sponsors at least a couple of weeks to prepare and adjust their schedules and know it's coming. And fortunately we got everything worked out over the weekend. We could make a clean transition into August which we felt was a pretty good window, and hopefully everything would pass by then now that's we're in a different world right now at the thinking was at that point. And, so we made the announcement on the following Monday I believe that was the, and then on the nights are governor jared, Polis, who was scheduled to do an opening keynote for us? declared a state of emergency in Colorado and then the domino's just continued on. And I think even later that week is when the NBA said or cancelling the season, and once the NBA cancel that that was really like Shit as It has hit the fan. He added that it had hit the fan, so the NBA was like the final. Nail in the coffin as far as an event. type perspective because then everybody was like wow, I guess were all cancelling at this point, and so at that time we. It's like all right well. How are we going to pivot and? Doing things virtually, that was the immediate pivot and we. Bought into a platform, and we've since pivoted into the into the cloud, and we did an earth week event and we've got to stop herself disadvant- coming up and then we're going to do another event in October as well and really try to do as much as we can. On the virtual side of thanks from a conference and a trade show and networking standpoint. Yeah, and do you feel that Some of those adjustments will likely carry on into the future now that. That you've you know kind of thought about how you could do certain things digital and bringing conversations, and that's I. Mean like I said before. You have a podcast, too, so you're already. Your head has already kind of in that space of media and communications, and all that sort of thing but do you foresee that something being sort of a trend that you continue through the years now that you've kind of gotten that momentum behind you doing these digital events. I would say so I. think that the virtual thing isn't going away. If, pandemics continue to happen which they very well could. What is going to be the future of live gatherings and I sure hope that we get back to. Large in person events for trade shows conferences concerts. I. I think that we will I think our species just gravitates towards that I. don't think everybody wants to be locked away in in talking to each over each other over a monitor like we're doing right now, which is fine, but at the same time there has to be this physical interaction. Absolutely? You can't replace that. I don't think. Yeah, I I completely agree I mean. My focus in doing this podcast early on was I tried to do as many interviews as I could in person because. There's there's just another dynamic there and it gets partially recreated when we do. These video chats and things and I can. I can look into your eyes and see you smile. All these different cues that affects the way we communicate with each other, but. There's a whole other level when you're there with somebody and you feel more. Energy and everything and you feed off of each other, and so in general you know. This for this interview I would much prefer to like. Come out and meet you in person and sit down and. Do something like. because there there is. A lot to be said for that and I agree to that you were a social species so we. We feel often most fulfilled when we're around other people. Are Angry yeah so. It's going to be interesting and. Has All of this is specifically talking about the coronavirus stuff right now. Has It affected how you'll? Handle certain logistics of events in the future like for instance like so many stories now our It seems like maybe permanently implementing different like social distancing policies. They're changing. Little things about What gets handled before it gets handed off into all these little technical details to try to I guess reduce any potential transmission spread, and all that so in your organizing of the events Other things like that that you're thinking about like well as we proceed in the future, we might have to just sort of change. Some of the logistics a little bit in case, something like this happens again will be read more prepared and ready to you know put people at ease that they can participate in these events, and you know maintain a level of. Safety and confidence that everything's being done to you know. Make things as as best as they can be. Yeah. There will definitely be protocols that are going to be put into place for event organizers, and fortunately for us. We work with a an event. Company called conference direct to. Does events thousands of events a year. They've got staff all over the world, and they help us out with various logistics from the coordinating our hotel or catering or the decorator who sets up the booze. And with these professionals that do this stuff day in and day out for thousands of events there's. They're already working on all these protons talking to. Different agencies in the government health departments and what's going to be the protocol once these events start to come back and. It'll be different for your conferences. Eter two hundred, five hundred thousand people compared to a larger show like ours at Ted over ten thousand people last year or an M J, Biz that has twenty five or thirty thousand People Aura Expo West that has one hundred thousand people. You know there will be different spacing. There'll be more sanitizing stations for hand washing and. in what's the masks situation going to be in how many people can be in the you know x amount of square feet at any given time, and we're trying to figure that out now because we've got two hundred thousand square feet, and and what's going to be our? Capacity would are we allowed to have in that space based on how many boost we have, so there's a lot to figure out. Yes starting to work on that now, and if we pull off our event in August, or if by chance we have to move it into twenty twenty, one and Noko Seven doesn't happen in twenty twenty than we just basically live in the cloud for this year, and in kind of do the best that we can and make our plans to move into twenty twenty one and hit the ground, running and twenty twenty one. I think. Having nine months from now gives us a lot more time to see what others are doing out there and how they've had to maneuver, navigate to to making a safe environment i. mean that's what it comes down to is. We have to provide a safe environment for all apart Oliver Exhibitors all the people that were bringing it under that roof. Yeah In that ability to adapt and pivot as is so critical. And Yeah it's impressive. What what I've seen? You know within throughout industries You know that. It took a there was a little bit of lag time there a couple of weeks of people just. Trying to figure out what the impact is going to be what to do, but then once everyone realized. You know the reality situation and wasn't a whole lot of wiggle room. Especially when the stay at home orders and everything, it was amazing. How quickly that innovation kicked in which is inspiring? To know that you know as humans, we do have that capacity that you know very very quickly. We can pivot adapt and find ways to try to. Meet emission through various ways if we have to One thing I wanted to ask you to is. In this is like a very huge pivot. so there are a lot of people wanting to get into the hemp industry right now. either because of CBD or because of things that they're seeing in places like Colorado and Kentucky that have really been Pushing forward more of the traditional industrial hemp. models and everything. Do you have any advice for people that are currently mulling over whether they want to step into him farming and I know. One issue that I've seen out here in Oregon where I am. A lot of people get excited about him. They WANNA get into him farming. They then often find investors, or they take on loans. They have projections on how much money they're gonNA make a lot of times. Those projections are terribly wrong, and they end up in a lot of debt and and then have other problems to deal with. So do you have any advice for people thinking about getting into this industry things they should be thinking about things they should be reading You know that sort of thing so that they hopefully avoid some of those hit falls and have the best chance for success. I would say just do a Lotta. Research into the market and. Hemp is only going to continue to encourage reese in dollar value as the years go on, the market's going to continue to grow the CD market supplement market will continue to grow a to what degree based on the material out there, it's not gonNA. It's not infinite growth for all these small companies wanting to start a CD company and Anxious and capsules, patches and SABS. You know what's going to differentiate your product from the product. That's right next to it is USDA. Organic was a grown regenerative. -Ly how you know what's special about your product compared to somebody else's. I think that there's GonNa. Be a lot of growth in the fiber side in the grain side the the overall market, and where do you fit? Where does your skillset fit? There's opportunity out there for smart savvy entrepreneurs. Passionate people in the I would say if you're GONNA do follow your passion where where to use you know. What do you gravitate towards? That and I think that there's money to be made. I wouldn't jump into to him. Farming and say I'm going to grow. One hundred acres of cab annoyed camp unless I've got a contract and a buyer. And even that we've seen over the last year or two. There's lots of contracts. Lots of buyers out there that in the end. That contract isn't a good contract and that buyers. Like a Unicorn. Yeah, yeah exactly I've I've seen a lot of a lot of relationships. Go Sour out here and it's it's been unfortunate because a lot of t you see pattern over and over again where you see somebody that usually is well intentioned, and sees a path forward to do something that that they're passionate about equal. Make a good difference in the world. You know all these different things. yeah, and then they partner with the wrong people, or whatever happens you know whether it's neither de or ignorance, you know sometimes just downright manipulation, and you know ill-will. it's it's been It's a battleground, and I've seen so many good people get burned trying to get into the the him space particularly over the past. Year, and a half or so. I mean as soon as. As, soon as the farm bill passed. You know in that hit the news. There was just this mad rush. like you said it was a green rush to try to get in whether it was CBD. some people thinking forward on other avenues that they wanted to tease out and everything and You know we've already seen just in and once again from experience in Oregon and you know you're in Colorado, it just in the the THC cannabis worlds and the green rush going on there, and all the people being burnt in companies that pop up in shutdown over the course of a year two. It's No if I think if you. Aren't able to think creatively and figure out how to differentiate yourself. You're really in trouble because I mean, I. Think read that there was like a thousand CBD brands new C. Brands that came on to the market just last year alone. In the United States. Probably adds to the thirty five hundred. That were there before. A Lot. Yeah exactly. Yeah so, it's IT IS A. Very crowded room That that sometimes, we're having to stand in right. I would add to this in this kind of jumps back to the Mushroom pavilion conversation that I don't think that I fully answered I see i. see the you know one of the reasons we added the mushroom. Thing is super foods and supplements. As well as packaging materials, so there's a company that's doing Styrofoam replacement out of mushrooms I've seen. So this is another thing where getting rid of plastics and stuff. That's just terrible for our environment and hips. A good one of the can do that. Mushrooms is another good thing that can do that. Other plant material as well whether that's bamboo flags or So I think that. If you're getting into cannabis looking at the whole spectrum of plant based. Agriculture, a more holistic approach to the environment into our personal health? Planetary Health. That's. I would recommend taking that broader perspective rather than Hey I'm just gonNA look. At CBD or or any of these other minor can noise which there's going to be markets for that, but how greater those markets? That's yet to be saying. Yeah, yeah, I know I. See some of the. Market predictions the same as they were CD now they're starting to get wild for CG and CB An. CBC and like you're talking about a market. You still got to create. A demand you know. In getting consumers. To want that you have. They're still not educated on CBD yet right now. We're still working on. CBD THC so. They understand what those are now here's C. B. J., and then they're CBC and like you said CBN and it's like. There's still a long ways to go with. CBD Right, and we know far less about you know these other candidates once once you get past, teach CNC beneath. There's a large drop off when it comes to research, and you know what really you know have have looked at, and there's some research, but when you start talking about like human clinical data, and that's worth thing there's just that's just not existent yet, and it will be but for the most part. It's not there, so it's. for my perspective, so part of my background is I used to develop in run. cannabis testing labs, really natural products labs within started specializing cannabis them So always on sort of the public health and safety side of the industry, trying to make sure products have what they said they had in them, and they didn't have contaminants, and that's where thing and so when I see the mad rush towards CG and CBS. CBC All these things I'm just like. You, know I'm. I'm sure that. As far as like L. D. Fifties go, and that's where thing lethal doses yeah there. We know that the there you know comparable to THC and CD, and that's the thing, but you know like with CBD we. It took us a while to learn that its effects on the liver very different than thc in that it's has a higher propensity to interact with other medications then thc does even the THC still has that same effect, but to a much lesser degree So, there's some of that that we need to know for BG and CBS, and just to make sure that people that are relying on them as like dietary supplements or medicines that the doing it in the safest way, possible so the the rush to push past cbd has me a little nervous You Know I. think Overall it'll. It'll be fine most people, but there's always you know. The the at risk populations that usually are the ones using this for medicine that might be immuno-compromised might be taking some pretty intense. You know pharmaceutical meds that have very narrow therapeutic windows that are not careful in hurt yourself. Because of those other medications even not necessarily from can avenue. It's great that that's absolutely true. Yeah, and what are your thoughts on the style of him farming? A concern that I have. Is that it seems like cannabis industry the hemp industry. They're recreating a lot of the same. Problems that agriculture at large is already facing in that for instance in Oregon. If you drive down the interstate, you'll see massive him farms. Their. Huge monoculture farms allow times using. Weed suppressant plastic whether it's quote, unquote, biodegradable, or not, or compostable is all these different categories of plastics and. So. What's been weighing on my mind a lot is how do we Push this conversation about. Methods of agriculture methods of farming to try to ensure that doesn't fall into that same cycle that were already trying to get big egg out of in the first place. But one of the things that we've focused on at no co, the whole time has been organic and regenerative agriculture and Scott People speaking to that at all of our events because I think that that's super important. One example is, we'd spent quite a bit of time out in Hawaii. And what happened in Hawaii with sugarcane, farming, and the monocropping and. They decimated their soil and they're having to go through and rebuild that using. Like Korean natural farming practices and stuff that. We should be doing all over the earth really is. Is trying to get our soil's back to where they should be because we've seen what corn and soy had been weed and stuff done to the United States agriculture system and all across the planet. We don't WanNa, see him become corn, two point zero, or so he two point our. It's just being farmed conventionally, and we're spraying all these petrochemicals on it, and it's. It's doing the exact same thing. We really have to shift our mindset as to. How can we really grow our food if we're consuming it? We really have to be growing this stuff organically in regenerative Best that we can, and we have to be rotating out our crops. We just can't plant the same thing over and over and over. There has to be crop rotation so. and. Do you have recommendations for anyone listening that might. Be Unfamiliar With. Some of these topics at all do you have some folks are some resources that you'd recommend? People listening that want to learn more about how they could. Take their him farms to another level and thinking about that sort of multidimensional, ecologically conscious. Yeah I would recommend people. Check out the new. Doug Fine Book. American hemp farmer and DOC released a book back in two thousand, fourteen called hemp bound. and he actually spoke at our first Noko. Hemp Onis become a really good friend. another guy that's really all about organic and regenerative agriculture talks about it in his new book and his publisher Chelsea Green. Publishing has all kinds of books on organic and regenerative agriculture in our food system and. I strongly recommend checking at Checkout Chelsea Green and Doug's book that there's some really good literature out there that people can learn about. What we've done to Orlando last fifty or sixty years and What we really need to do moving forward. Otherwise our food system, which is already in crisis right now. It's going to continue to get more crisis if we don't make some serious charges in the coming years. Yeah absolutely at Chelsea. Green is great. I have a lot of books that I didn't even realize we're coming out of that. Same publisher until I started to get them on the bookshelf. And then you see the label there, but yeah, they have a lot of their very mission driven. Mission driven. They're a great company, and they've been partners of ours since actually twenty fourteen, and all the people that we've worked with over there. Just really great people yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great! And to start to bring the conversation around I know you're super busy, and I want to be respectful of your time. What are you most excited about looking forward into the future of the hemp industry? What really peaks your interest the most? I would say that. The. We've just started to scratch the surface with us. We've only had legal hamp in this country. Let's say it since two thousand fourteen with A. Farm Bill. It became legal in two thousand eighteen, and there's been this big green Russian. There's been all this kind of chaos going on. And there's GonNa be some attrition in the industry with some of the CBD's stuff, but once the grain and fiber and the flower everything diversifies, and we really start talking whole plant in it starts to become a reality over the course of these next several years. I think that the market's gonNA open up in. It's going to really start to grow We saw boom worst in somewhat of a bus and stuff falling out of the bottom right now bit. I think that the future is bright for him, and that innovation is gonNA drive a lot of opportunities forward for for people who want to really jump into this industry. Yeah yeah, absolutely and another thing that's been my mind that I've talked about in several of my most recent episodes that now has become incredibly relevant with you know the. the protests and sort of our society in the country really. head on trying to tackle systemic inequalities and racism and everything something that I'm interested about interested in looking at the hemp industry is its opportunity to start to. Yet the people that have been most negatively affected by the war on drugs. You know people of Color have been. Arrested higher rates are more likely to serve longer sentences for cannabis possession. All sorts of different things like that how? You know the farming industry that is growing at such A. Interesting opportunity to be able to ensure that these communities that have been so affected have a way to You know move in own some small farms and you know really get involved within the canvas industry as as entrepreneurs, and have their voices raised and everything and I'm. I'm very. Excited and Sort of reserve to to see how the cannabis industry, and and and specifically the hemp industry to. Since it's the federally legal, Hannah-beth Industry how it steps up to ensure you know that people of Color are represented, and that you know were ensuring that we're thinking about. How do we you know Ensure that people are getting out of jail for cannabis and having this opportunity something that bothers me so much is that even even if we get people out of jail that have been affected by the war on drugs and Everything if they have a felony on the record well. Are they going to be able to get loans to start small business if they want to? Are they GONNA be able to get financial aid? If they want to go to school you know there's all of these different elements that we look at it and so I'm excited. About, the opportunity of ministry has to try to. help with that and I'm interested to know if like Noko hemp. Expo with everything going on Are you also thinking about ways to ensure that at these like just want him industry events that mortician can be brought to canvas companies companies that are owned by people of Color and that's our thing is. Is that discussion also seeming to happen absolutely Last year we started a diversify him meet up at Noko in twenty nineteen. And then we did it at southern hemp by last year, and we had a special breakout area for diversify him this year in, March. which you know again whenever that happens. It in our new virtual. Platform as well. We're having a diversify lounge, and so we do. We have been discussing how to make this whole industry where everybody is welcome, it's all inclusive. It's not just run by a bunch of white men, and there's been a there. There has been a lot of talk about that in me being a white man. I see this systemic racism. That's out there and all. That's going on in the world and this inequality and And a you know it's. It's sickening because. Once, we have equality. We all can enjoy the. What this world has completely you know all of us, and if we all can enjoy and participate together it, it will just make it so much more fulfilling for everybody. From start to finish from a disease e, and so there is a group of us that this kind of this core of diversify HAMP and I've my call right after this is is with that group to discuss what we're going to be doing during the virtual side of things here in the next couple of weeks, and and how we're going to continue to build this platform for diversified happened again. It's bringing in people of Color. It's bringing. You know multiculturalism. Were one race. It's not black people. Brown people in White people where the human race. People, it's all one is Dr Bronner's would say and you know black lives matter, and if that house is on fire, our houses non fire, their houses on fire, and we got to put that fire out, and we are all in the same neighborhood so We're going to do our part to to continue this conversation to amplify the conversation. 'cause until we all have equality. The world is going to be dysfunctional. Yen I mean, and this connects to so many points that we've been making through this conversation about. How do we want to organize ourselves? The opportunities to set new examples you know. The hemp industry doesn't have to be like the BIG AG industry which. Agricultural Industry in general in general is pretty much run by a bunch of white men. I mean largely. It is and so. With this, you know developing industry, we have such an amazing opportunity to try to develop things better and encourage industry of diversity and Yeah, it's exciting and I'm really stuck to hear you know that That's something that you're really actively. you know working on, does the. the group that you mentioned is our website. You can point people to to learn more about that or any sort of ways that. If folks want to try to help you in that, 'cause they, they could learn more. While, we've got some information on NOKO HEMP EXPO DOT COM. Just a little bit about the diverse by section, so it was just you know it's. We've have all these little breakout areas at no Cohen and this is one that's been developing. Obviously with what's going on. At this point in time with George Floyd Thang and the protests. This is just elevating the necessity to discuss this more and more because we. There's a lot of things that need to be fixed in this world, and this is certainly right there at the top of the list. Yeah, yeah absolutely. Yeah, using our platforms, however, we can to have this hard discussions and and push. All of that forward is is really important, so yeah, I'm I'm stoked to. To know that that's a part of your mission as well and something I'm trying to do with this platform to it's you know it's? Sometimes awkward as white males or the most privileged of our of our society. You know you're like. What can I do and like well I? Do have this privilege I. Do have this power that I can use to share these experiences have the hard conversations pushed the dialogue and it's it's always been needed, but certainly now more than ever like you said. The House is on fire, and we do have to come together as one. if we're going to have tribes one tribe. One tribe we need anyone. Exactly yeah and it's about empathy in love you know like we need to be able to look at each other and empathize someone's different experience for own and be able to have that. Feeling of unconditional love towards our fellow people regardless of of differences and. It's a yeah. It's going to be an interesting exercise for the human race I. Hope we pull through. Yeah. All right well, I appreciate you being willing to spend so much time I know we went a little bit over here, but I really appreciate it and Binghamton the dive into all of these topics right now. I'll basically hand over the platform to you. Let people know how to learn more about Wafa Noko Hint Expo. Colorado company, all these different things Let's talk him all all of the the mini projects that you're working on. Let people know how to learn more how to connect with you, and then if there's anything else, we haven't touched on that you WANNA share platform is yours report. Where you can find out you can go to Wathba Dot Org. That will lead you to all of our brands. You can click on. A variety of websites started to go to Colorado him company. Let's talk anchor note co or silver mountain guitars and check out the new guitars that we're GonNa be released inherent night in the. Two three weeks hopefully I'll have. My prototypes hair in hand. They're being made right now. I am excited about that, yeah? Yeah. Raising us. And I guess I would just like to leave it at. You. Know were at an interesting point in time as a human race as a society and. I think that. Love conquers hate and I. Think what you said earlier that just. You know. It's all about love in bits were one race, and we're one people, and it's come time for folks to come together and stand side-by-side brother, the brother sister two sister. And and Make some real. Lasting change as a society. because if we don't. This. We're GONNA. Just continue to spiral and the. Odds and civil war with each other. and. We're just GonNa waste great opportunity of a beautiful planet world that we have in. It's the only one that we have. We're not going to Mars well. Ilan wants to go to Mars and you know if you WANNA call. Long. Ours I I prefer actually. So. Anyway, yeah I think that's. I think that's that's very yeah very well. Put Absolutely, and it highlights that this issue it connects environmentalism. At Criminal Justice Social Justice. It all comes together. well, thank so much and everyone listening hope. You've enjoyed this conversation. If you WANNA learn more about curious about cannabis go to see a podcast dot com, or find us on Instagram, facebook, twitter, or Youtube and all of you out there you know one thing I've been saying lately. Now's not the time to be silent. Now's not the time You know to to do nothing. Now's the time to act so you know, do what you can to express. 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Trae Young's 50-Piece, Russ Wilds Out, Wilder-Fury Preview

Jalen and Jacoby

52:27 min | 8 months ago

Trae Young's 50-Piece, Russ Wilds Out, Wilder-Fury Preview

"Jalen and Jacoby is Jalen rose. What I'm David Jacoby. Well cool together Jalen Jacoby. What is it that we do? Mr Rose we give people a first of all. I WANNA start the show by giving a big shout. Someone who works on our program Brianna BRIANNA BIRTHDAY. Pick shots BRIANNA in a birthday. Rachel Briones Birthday this week. Never Rachel's birthday came rushing birthday to Brianna came to work. She's using tomorrow. Be Safe out there. Brianna about their yes so Jalen yes. Riyadh a rare wine. Red Wine red wine is the way white white wine during the day. Read One Night. You know how that goes. Nba Action Return last night. But right now Jalen rose in Las Vegas for the big fight that we will discuss later in the show very concerned because you do not have a crisp hair cut and it is a big fight on Saturday night. I'm very concerned about you. Jalen very concerned. I will have a fresh cut before the fight. Lovely wife going to walk the red carpet with me because there's nothing like a sweet science heavyweight championship level fight and guess what? I'm doing to guess what I'm doing and get a cut how I get crispy. Jacoby for the fight. She is his flying near Joo flying over to get a haircut. You are such a legend. You talk of the Earth's atmosphere just to cut your hair. You're the best Jalen. Well we start with someone who I think should get a haircut. A German name trae young trae young and the Hawks had the worst record in the whole entire league yet. I love watching them. Play trae young a career high fifty points again. Five zero points on the Miami Heat in a win over the heat the fourth youngest player in NBA history to score fifty points. Jalen rose what do you think about trae young? I WANNA make sure. I Give Their coaching staff an organization a lot of credit for allowance. Trae young to continue to flourish and having a courage of their convictions to actually train Luca Donncha and acquire him along with another draft pick who also scored plus twenty points in the game yesterday and play really well. Here's what I want to say when you watch the Atlanta Hawks play you notice what trae young looks down and he sees any part of the logo at the top floor. He knows that he can raise up the Atlanta Hawks. Practice him shooting. Four point shots in practice so league opened up the floor. Create a level of space in that allows him to get downhill. So He's raising up. People are in a defensive stance and they're trying to be poised for what play their Iran. And then he just raises up and that was against the Miami Heat one of the tougher defensive teams in the entire MBA. It'll usually give up performances like this trae. Young has been outstanding this season. He really has a jail. You brought up something that only someone who played in the NBA longtime can really see. 'cause I see this in the language defenders. Well they're kind of seeing what play is being called and see where the screen is coming from. They're not expecting him to pull up and shoot and he just doesn't like early in the shot clock if he catches you slipping just for one second he will pull up and shoot and Jalen that we we both watch a lot of NBA basketball. And don't pay too much attention to the numbers. But I want you to take a look at what trae young has done in his very early in his career when you look at the scoring cliff that he has been on in his first two seasons Jalen. What do these numbers tell you what he's never told me that? This guy is GonNa be a perennial. All-star terrific performer. Footy alanna hawks. And a franchise player. You know. I don't use that term to very often but he has. The goods Jacoby has the personality. He's really inclusive with his teammates. Trying to get other people involved and again he has unlimited range and sold now all of a sudden. You have a weapon. That could do some things. That steph curry was able to do win the Golden State Warriors Winning Championships. And when you make your first all star team the way trae young did and there were some people. That was like Oh. He's on a losing team but yet he still going to be on the team. You gain a level of confidence. He was in the Locker Room Jacoby he was looking around deers Lebron. There's there's Anthony Davis all case. There's a Greek Reed James Heart. I'll belong with these guys. So now all of a sudden he gets back with the Atlanta Hawks and he puts on the show at home versus Miami. Well absolutely love trae young and I just I just. I love watching this hawks team so much. I get concerned that trae young might end up in the Devon Booker type of situation where he is so excellent but the franchise and the people around him don't match his excellence moving onto another great game last night. This one had me up late. Because I'm watching the nets and the sixers. The sixers never lose at home. The Nets should have won this game and regulation. It ended up going into overtime Joel. Embiid had thirty nine points sixteen rebounds and after the Game. He called himself the best player on the planet. Jalen rose. What do you think about this game? Joelovesbeets beats claim. So let let let let let me get this right. You mean Joe L. N. B. Extremely talented center. Who Play Whale for the sixers at they were trailing against the knits midst actually complemented himself. He said he was wanted a best players in the game. He not do such a thing how he would not do such a thing as. Here's here's the dilemma. For the seventy sixers they were playing without been centers is that they seem to perform better without Al Horford. When you sign somebody in the off season to one hundred million dollar contract you -ticipant that he's GonNa be out there playing quality minutes like demise Harris but now all of a sudden you realize in an era of small baugh and Joel embiid needing opportunities and space on the post. That Al Horford is it. A knockdown shooter. He is in the guy's GonNa get your shots off the dribble so now all of a sudden it's better for the teams if they play large quality minutes without him being on the floor. That's something to monitor going forward. That is something to monitor going forward and Al Horford played on the Celtics with a gentleman by the name of Kyrie Irving Kyrie Irving is on these nets now but he will not be in a nets uniform for the rest of the season he had a season ending shoulder procedure. Jalen this year for the nets and for Kyrie has not been one to remember. What do you make of this news? So Covenant Tennessee. I was like the nets and the Knicks are GonNa have similar records. People thought I was tripping. Especially when you acquire Corre- ascendant Katie. Wouldn't play this year now. The Knicks have changed their coach clearly. The Nets have a better record and it was great to see carelessly. Virk play really well yesterday but this is a season of its spearman for the nets. This was a year that you actually punt. This is a die easy season. This is the Jacobi Year for the nets. They had no expectation and they make the playoffs. Great they don't make the playoffs. Great you could try to see what? D- what he's GonNa do. We'll never GONNA do how Andre Jordan is going to be able to progress as Katie comes back so it was more about building players that could possibly be part of the team Andro create assets. Today could possibly move in the off season with. Kate returns next year watching this game. The other Jordan did play pretty well. He caught about four five alley. Oops I loved younger Jordan. So much seems like a great guy but Jalen. There's so many to discuss with you. And buckle up because it's about to get emotional and this is going to hurt your feelings the bucks and the Pistons play last night. The Pistons were awful. They ended up losing by twenty but it was just it was awful. Jaanus put up a very casual thirty three and sixteen and I'll checking in this game and I asked myself a very simple question. Who is the best player in a Pistons Uniform Right now? Who is the best player? The depictions have in uniform right now. I want you honestly evaluated to answer that question. The rest of the world one those first name. But I'll says last name woods. There was no Blake Griffin. Obviously Derrick rose is well and the Pistons were down thirty so fast overcast earlier the game. I'm like wait a minute. Didn't need to play each other in the playoffs. Last year one team t the comport himself to possibly win games. The other team is traded. Andre Drummond has bought out Jackson. We still have the Wayne Casey. On the sal live but the Detroit Pistons this season unlike the nets. They're not putting we just don't have an identity and it's important to watch tonight. Tonight's somewhat Christy. Woods is like they're running. Plays for me. I'll be featured on the National Basketball Association BIG FAMILY FEATURED NBA Basketball Game. Jalen as expected the small rockets went into the bay area and waxed the warriors. But I want to draw your attention to what happened at the end the game between Russell Westbrook and some warriors players both in the game and on the bench the elbow right there they take some offense Brussels already got a check in the game so he goes back and forth with the warriors and then he starts talking to some of the words on the bench Klay Thompson and wiggins were involved. He was thrown out of the game for this exchange in this incident. After the game. In a paraphrasing here he essentially said that he's being targeted by MBA officials and treated unfairly. What do you think about the incident and Russell claims tangled up with Lee? Doing a little talk at what pool doing a little talking with Klay Thompson. Who was sitting on the bench? The one thing I love about Russell. Westbrook is when the game starts. He doesn't mind making the opponent and enemy. I really appreciate that and for the Houston Rockets. It may seem like a gimmick when you go extra small ball ultimately it's building on opportunity for your best players James Harden whose isolation heavy and Russell Westbrook who is inefficient from three point range to have opportunities and lanes to drop the basketball to the whole and make plays and if you notice. Russell isn't a volume three point shooter anymore. He's almost playing like a big man. He's a guard version of Zion and a lot of ways driving the ball to the basket and trying to be finishing. Would that be said he just wanted to? Vp a couple of years ago. He's averaged a triple double idiot. He expects to get calls. He's not right on this worth he did. Commit a flagrant foul. He deserves to be ejected. They had a big lead but it was interesting to see the mavericks. How those two teams have changed where the Houston Rockets? Had An opportunity to eliminate the ghost. They work for the play offs and they could make it three point shot out. They missed like twenty five. Twenty six twenty seven and a roll and then you see Russel John with Klay Thompson. Who'S NOT IN UNIFORM? Just makes me get so very excited but next year wouldn't a splurge brothers returned how we forgot how? Good to splash. Brothers off if we have the best players indicate the splash brothers knockdown shooter from limited range. They will be a problem cheer. And they added Andrew Wiggins well. I'm glad you brought up next year. In the warriors and the fact that the splash brothers aren't playing because the warriors owner Joe Lak- win on wax and said that they're not going to take. They're not going to lose games in order to get draft position but they only have twelve wins. Jalen rose this is a franchise that would do five straight. Nba Finals and only have twelve. Wins also Klay Thompson will not play this entire season. Jalen what do you think about the warriors saying that? They're not tanking because they're definitely not getting the playoff spot is. Is this a Corny pont to try to represent the notorious big? We're not say SEE LAKE UP FROST ORISSA. You like you like is that okay. They're pretty good. No I'm not. I'm not okay. So the Golden State Warriors are in an optimal position. Jacoby I noted there saying all the right things to press all the right things and a microphone. We WanNA win. We want to be successful. But then the undercurrent. Klay won't play this year and then the other other current is Steph won't play much this year. The Golden State Warriors are hovering around having the worst record in the NBA. They got higher. Va they're going to be a physician. Yes they're going to be a position to get another player to add to their debt. Go say war is going to be trouble next year but for right now and you can say John. Not taking a draft position. But it's obvious you don't have to say already in position to get a lot of repeat it the worst interesting because they literally have the worst record this year and the best record next year you think about wiggins you think about. Klay COMING BACK. They must step coming back and think about draymond coming back them getting a really high draft pick. They're really interesting franchise look forward to seeing them next year but this year I will not be watching Warriors Games. Jalen the Kings beat the Grizzlies? But that's not the part that I want to show you. I WANNA show you future rookie of the year job. Mirant and what he did in warm ups. Because it's going to bring back some memories of one of your former teammates. Let's check your job rant. Doing the famous bids Carter Elbow. Hang Duck in warm up. Salem do you think about job? Oh I think John. Moran is an exciting player and he's got a lead the Memphis Grizzlies to the playoffs. And like I told you John is my God. I don't even want to see him with his contact and this year confirmed it anytime Erik. Gordon use four five straight fifties and they don't stop the fight they keep Dunkin's Dunkin Donkey. Doug Jones junior contract and all of a sudden you look up in the final. Don't isn't forty eight forty seven. I don't leave. Java rat doing a deal in a dunk contest. I like seeing them. Do it in warm ups that that's like I told you I don't want him jumping over Taco fall. You saw somebody do it. You saw somebody do it. I mentioned it on this show so I was going to talk about fall. It was GONNA be job but instead of being somebody else. Java Iran Must Seem Team. Jalen now time for some very important news. The matters Jalen you know. I love the KOSCO experience. Everything about it the samples. The bulk items the toilet paper. I Love Curtain Orange Juice. Courtesy Draws Kirkland down the curtain life. I Love Costco and one underrated part of the COSMO experience the food court outside in the parking lot. The pizza's good. You get a hot dog and a soda for a dollar. Fifty great deals high quality food. There's even a phone inside Costco where you can call and order pizza. They start preparing it while. You're checking out the checkout line. Cosco is deep perfect shopping experience however they made a change if you want that delicious pizza and those hotdogs and those deals at the food court you have to have a membership to costco now for someone like me who lives the Kirkland lifestyle. That is not a problem but Jalen for others who just go to Costco for the delicious cheap food. They will not be able to enjoy it. Do you think this is a fair policy? The Costco is instituted so I need to talk to the people of Costco and introduced him to something. When you're in Los Angeles is vastly different from being on the East Coast. When you drive down the street. They're selling through. You can buy a bag of fruit. They give you a plastic fort and everything will you a New York City. They have street meet hot dogs. The smell great. They don't taste as well as they smell. And then all of a sudden I go to COSCO. I should not need a membership to buy food at the court. What's going on with that? They feel a little too much is what the to be able to go and KOSCO by items in bulk and David Jacoby lived a Kirk Lynn. Lie Style to the fullest. Doesn't I'm just trying to get full? I'm just trying to get some food. I need a membership. That's a soft move. It is a soft move. And also Jalen rose's someone who's been many Cosco's frequent costco's I like to check compare different COSCO experiences. The food is always kind of outside of the Costco. It's kind of part of the parking lot experience. So you need the membership to go inside or to check out but you shouldn't need a membership to eat in the parking lot now Jalen. You're a very rich man. You made over one hundred million dollars in your life so something tells me I most suspicious about you. I think you faking jacks. I have a theory. The you've never been to a costco in your life and not card. Costco member am I right. I BEEN TO COSCO not as often as I believe. Every time I use toilet paper every time I use paper towel every time I use certain homegoods unlike. I need to go bulk. Shopping COSTCO SON. Ended up at chick slash whole foods by it. All of those things. You Ain't Hor site of cost me like five hundred dollars worth your yourself. You're embarrassing yourself. But buying paper towels into the paper at whole foods that has to be on this program. Go to break Jill. I'm at did you get this man off. My screen could be headed to the game going on an epic road trip. No matter where your travels take you. Marathon can help you get there with quality top tier gas marathon. Gasoline formulated with S. T. P. additives. 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Preseason only three playoffs seven teams in each conference. And there's some information about practice and Revenue Sharing Jalen. What do you think about these proposed changes to the way that the football season structures? So that'd be gives us right? You're going to add a regular season game and a playoff game is willing to get a one percent increase in salaries for the players. I don't believe that they're going to agree to this deal. And this may be a time like we talked about with Richard Sherman on the show for the players to actually do what needs to be done in order to get a deal that they're proud including sitting out games if they have to. We've seen happen in baseball. We've seen it happen in basketball in the early eighties. We see that happen in football but at the same time those other sports continue to progress and I feel like major league. Baseball has the Best Union in Sports. If you think about it. They don't find a lot for throwing that people find a lot for having they don't have a salary cap okay. They just had a team sheet and gave the players. What Astros immunity okay? We see the greatness on display for the NBA. All Star weekend and all of the Star power that goes with being a player in uniform the NBA. The NFL players have to step up their game. Up If you want guaranteed contracts if you don't want to be punished for marijuana if you don't wanNA have seventeen regular season games you have to find a way to stand up as a collection and if even if that means strike is you gotta be willing to do saw Jalen. I spent a lot of time with you and probably too much time with you and recently all you talk about is to to the lions every time we have lunch and talk about two two lines. We're talking about well. I've got some really bad news. Here's what tour had to say about where he wanted to play. And I quote to. If you're saying to me if I can choose what team I want to play on as far as my favorite team growing up then I probably tell you the cowboys and then he went on to say. I'm not trying to bump Dak. I'll learn under him. I wouldn't mind learning under whatever guy. That's the starter. GimMe a whole year to rest up. And then go back out and compete. But I just want to go back out and play Jalen Cup things to discuss with you here. First of all I know yourself said about two hundred lions. Lions had the third pick in the draft. It seems like it's going to be borough and then young and then to or to the lions and two is already getting out ahead of that. Yeah that he wants to play for the cowboys. Jalen during this very difficult time. What are your emotions saying to you? Yes so here a couple of mine motions he got no choice whereas like you'd never three overall and I know that I'm not your first choice. I know that I'm not your second choice when I got the third pig. And we gotTa Start Quarterback Matthew Stab. Who's been there nine years granted of Zero Playoff Games? So therefore he's done via to Detroit. I'm very happy to stab it. Brought to the t to the community. We have a squad. That has won the top five quarterbacks in the entire NFL but we're not talking about signing Jacoby. It'd be too easy to sign big-play sleigh. We're not talking about signs of we're talking about trade him so if that's the case this is your chance to reveal and I know too feels like the. He loves the cowboys. But I've got a secret for him that he's too young realized the Dallas Cowboys and the Detroit Lions for decades plate solely one. Another on Thanksgiving Day story franchises. Embrace chance playing on the big stage. Why would win super bowls? What would all to draft too so get ready young fellow? You Ain't GonNa get a job with a three and the lions don't take like we need a we need to do a segment on this show about the draft every day. We need to do something about it to the lions every day to we. If seriously if you don't end up with the lions I won't be dusted and disgusted so Jalen there's also another angle to this. Mr Rose the part where. He said that he'll learn under starter for a year. I liked this idea especially coming off of the hip injury that he had. This seems remind me of someone by the name of Patrick. Mahomes who took sort of like a redshirt year learned under Alex Smith. Do you think that to whether he goes to the lions or somewhere where he really wants to play football? Do you think that would be ideal? For 'EM REDSHIRT professional year. No doubt about it because a hip injury is real serious. Any play big time collegiate basketball FOOTBA Alabama and everything. We're saying about job earl. Right now. People were saying about tool plus. He has athleticism making scrabble with his feet last year. He just got injured. And by the way. I'll tell you somebody that didn't like this cold Prescott Zone. He's sitting somewhere as a fourth round. Pick that didn't get a big deal. Watch Carson wentz watch Jimmy Garoppolo. Watch all of these people cousins get paid and he's waiting for the star and they don't take care of and I got this young guy coming in talk about. He wanted to learn how to be for one year. It's going to take my job personal. Now it's personal with that yet you're Prescott get your money Jalen. It is now time for some unfounded irresponsible speculation about the soon to be lost. Vegas Raiders so social media. I like to read things. Derek Carr put up a picture of him and Khalil Mack Khalil Mack. David commented on it. So if I'm reading something and look at. Maybe the bears aren't too happy with trubisky. Maybe the raiders are interested in getting Tom Brady. Maybe Derek Carr is playing the see that he could go to Chicago. What do you think about this photo of him and Khalil? Mack on Instagram David. Jacoby as you saw right. Now I'm in Las Vegas nothing like a sweet science heavyweight price by and I'm GONNA see one wilder in theory and you know who I was wit last night. Somebody that prints money his name is Floyd Mayweather and let me tell you what people like him. That live out here are thinking they need big names for the raiders to sail tickets while they're in Las Vegas so Derek Carr. I understand that you know if they could get Tom Brady. That you're GONNA be out you already know. We're on the same page. I know that you Jon Gruden living in the same neighborhood probably on the same block probably share the same bill carrier and probably even read the same newspaper in the morning. But if they could get Tom Brady. You're going to be on the outskirts. So would dare cars trying to get them another gigged off. He tried to get him another Gig. We are here to bear saying that we'll speak Khalil. Maxine like you know what Khalil would to the bears and got off the raiders. That'd be my next GIG. Jilin Nelson Great Analysis about the Las Vegas writers but none of it matters what we do with Floyd last night. And what were you doing last night? So just so you know. He watches this shelf and he told me to tell you. He does not like fact that you will die easy fan. Somebody that somebody is undefeated. He told me to Tell David. Jacoby that you've got to pick T. So Koby whose in baseball and ASK HIM OFF. They wanted a listening a pick. Whatever you want as part of the easy lifestyle Jalen we have a segment where you get to decide what we discuss for once. It's called keep moving if you want to discuss the topic. Use the brakes if not even met the man. Keep it moving in the minivan Jalen I David. Ortiz has chimed in about the Astros scandal and said something pretty interesting. Haven t said Mike. Fires a snitch for exposing the Astros scandal might fires used to be on the Astros and then was moved and then told everybody their dirty little secret? What do think about the SNITCH allegation? So first and foremost shout the big PAPI. That guy I've got a chance to champagne and campaign with him. I'm happy to the he recovered from the horrific gunshots. He suffered now when you use the term snitch. People a Lotta Times. Take a negative connotation to that like. He's trying to this Mike but not necessarily trying to acknowledge that the astros cheated. I believe he's doing here. Is it monitoring both sides acknowledging that might friars fires was a part of the squad and he did say some locker room stuff? There probably should not have come out in David's opinion however this is better for baseball as David. Ortiz saw the steroid scandal happened. There are a lot of as being thrown around. And you know what are the names? It was throwing around his hair June. You Tim wasn't happy. David Rosie's on this program. None of that would be accepted. Not as Mr Rose. You have violated Kyra Gracie's of jalen degree. That's talking so much about the Astros. We need to get ready to start talking about the red sox because they fired their skipper. Who was involved with the cheating? Scandal will stay to have some bad news about the New York Yankees. Keep moving or hit the bricks pair that Israel Yankees and for one of our producers. Reggie Hooks Because Luis. Severino is out in training. Camp has barely even started pitches. Catch the barely report reported. And he's got some forearm issues. That seem mysterious. In opening day is in doubt for Severino. What do you think about this development for the Yankees? The Yankees have done. An amazing job of putting together a lineup. That can smash all homegrown records. But if they're going to win the World Series Rasta Land. They gotta get some pitching they have to get some pitcher and. Severino is going to be a key to that. Happening is very early in the season. No reason to panic but it is something to monitor moving forward. I have news about a Jalen. Keep moving to hit. The brakes. Jalen hurts will work out at the combine but will only work out as a quarterback as some people have suggested that he should work out another position. I can't even think of another position that you would put him at Jaylen. Is it disrespectful when people speculate that it quarterback is not a quarterback and or lightweight racist for those that have been paying attention to the game like the quarterback position? Kind of looks like me going forward. You're going to have JOE BURL and it aging Aaron Rodgers and drew brees of Philip Rivers. But the now guys look a lot more like me. I'm talking about Lamar Jackson. I'm talking about this Shawn Watson. I'm talking about Patrick Mahomes. I heard this exact same conversation about Lamar Jackson. That's the God who is the fourth or fifth quarterback taken in the first round and all of a sudden the MVP of the NFL so palm. Jalen hurts I stick to my guns. Play the quarterback position see you have value. Give yourself a chance to be successful in the NFL. Got Bad news for the trail. Blazers keep moving or hit the brakes dame dollar villa with a groin injury. So that's kicked him out of the playoffs. Keep it moving for now. We keep it moving. We keep it Jalen. There's undefeated basketball team that no one is talking about keeping moving or hit the brakes hair. Break San Diego State University is Twenty. Six O again twenty six. Oh and they play. Unlv Saturday night at seven thirty Jalen. You have a personal connection to this team. What's that I do. So a lot of people who have a intimately follow collegiate basketball. But was Steve Fisher was ousted at the University of Michigan. He with the San Diego State at a time where he was passing out tickets because they could not sell out their arena on campus. He had a player name Koala Litter who turned the program around now. All of a sudden they got establish. He has the keys over to Brian. Dutcher who also was his lead assistant when I play basketball at the University of Michigan and so for them to be ranked number four at twenty six. No fifteen and all at home. I have asked a very important question to anybody who does voting for where teams get ranked. Why why do they not number one number? One didn't lose a game. He was new ones every research but what they will be is a number one seed when it comes to tournament time. Jalen rose. I'm going to ask you I'm just going to. I'm going to demand that you hit the brakes on this story about Nigel. The parrot hit the brakes. Okay let me tell the tale about Nigel. The Parrot in Torrance California. He went missing and Nigel spoke with a British accent. You know parents can speak English and men. Nigel return four years later but this time Nigel had a Spanish accent spoke Spanish at wouldn't stop talking about some guy named Larry. Jalen rose these birds. They loyal these birds oil. What would you do if it was asking so I gotta ask you a couple of important questions for everybody that can hear my voice? I want this to serve as a challenge. Not as not as something that does not motivate you. What do you call somebody that knows? Three languages trilingual. What do you call somebody that knows? Two languages bilingual. What do you call somebody? They only knows one language. Jalen rose American Phil for everybody. Likes Me Just Draw Your Dad Joke? Come on Jay. He's Best Schultz and he should be biased. They have to find quality styles not only side night in five nine next bomb nope West and when I leave the support I will be. Reading is one of the best that ever done. Only interesting knots me wild because my giants tight the first fight between Tyson fearing down say while there was one of the most entertaining fights. I've ever seen in my life and it ended in a draw leaving to undefeated heavyweight champion. And they will meet again tomorrow night in Las Vegas. I'm so high despite. I wanted to start right now. Jalen we've been talking about this for now finally upon us. Who Do you have winning this fight? And how the never underestimate the first letter in the poor letter network stands for entertainment nuns. What the is and that's what we're going to see on Saturday night. Let me tell you something. David Jacoby Dante Wilder Tyson theory. There's nothing like the sweet science and a heavyweight price by when you have two guys that have never lost. Both of these guys are Orthodox in their own white. When you look at Tyson theory for big guy you would consider him like a stretch mark type of five built. Don't say but at the same time he's crappy. What his movements. He's shifty. He has really good heads and he clearly has shown us that he can take a punch good. He got up the last like the undertaker at the wild knocked down. And I was talking about this with Floyd last night. The that you have to watch for is the. I'll tell you has stopped boxing. A here's what I mean. And this is why Orthodox right now. He's a Stalker. He has the highest knockout percentage in the history of the sport. So basically he's not really jabbing. He's not really throwing to the body. He's really walking around like a Predator. One to wait nonni wants to wait. Nonni want to wait knowing it. And so my prediction is ties. To fury is going to win. Seven of the nine rounds on the car but but the water's going to knock him out in the ninth or the tenth around. I think you will be the guy. This stand victorious Saturday night and I wrote to the way at two o'clock. It's like it's just like Mandy. Pack Yaw Floyd. When you watch it it you don't see me off the stage you know. I'M GONNA be access with wall with the arts so you know I'm going to be there. I'll go represent what a program he said. He can't wait to come on this. Show it talking about his win if they wear. He wears on Saturday night where we'll be Saturday night after the fight. Jacoby guess probably sided NAFTA fight to go. Please Guest Rommel. Be Saturday night where you're going to the party. I am going to be celebrating with the champ wilder. He knocks out Tyson theory. I saw theory yesterday. Put out a couple of pounds. This is what jail looking like. The joker I I gotTa tell you something. Jalen rose. You're wrong about your prediction this fight. He's GonNa Knock them out before the ninth round. He's GonNa knock him out in six rounds. I really think so. Jonathan Wild is ready for this about this. Uso study about this bite. Put the cart before the horse. But there's another fight after the winner of this fight has to look right into camera and call out Anthony Joshua for another super fight in the heavyweight division. I'm so pumped about this bite. We always say we the people what they want. So we're not going to give you the television show audio we always give you. Podcast exclusive too hot for TV. Jalen I don't want to discuss with you first of all during the program you reveal that you spent last night with general by the name of Floyd Mayweather however you did not give any details as to what. Y'All did where y'all wit. So where'd you go where you hang out what y'all do so a few things? It's always refreshing for me to hang out with my friends. That have more than I do. Find it is so great is so great. Jacoby so great noble up ordering everything on his path everything race. Appetizers ordered sued dinners. I'll try to salad order stuff to order stuff off so much money could buy you. But I'll tell you right now and I was. I was talking to him about coming on the show and what I want him to do is at least come on once a month because he has some really strong opinions about sports he talked to me about the NFL talking to me about the NBA. You're talking about but the fight this weekend and let me tell you something that came out last night in my conversations were floors. What's what's that. What's we realized that the heavyweight division has not been this stout in Las Vegas since Iron Mike Tyson without a doubt? What really excites me about this fight. Jalen rose really says about this fight is there's a fight waiting after it. The winner of this by has Joshua waiting after it. So we've seen some big fights in the twentieth century in the heavyweight division. But there's never really been a series of big fights or multiple contenders that I want to see in the squared circle. This fight is so exciting. So Jason Nelson WanNa talk to you about your Harry right man. You're hearing right like this ain't right. I mean do the show but like no way no crispy hairline and I heard a rumor a rumor that you told me and you didn't even want to admit it to me. I got an out of you. I got confessional. Yesterday like an interrogation room confession from Jalen. Rose you tell the people into that. Microphone and we're going to broadcast this around the world. You tell them what your strategy is to have a fresh cut on fight night. Tell Him Tell. Everybody knows how much I love and appreciate the sweet science and every process fight represents many super bowls and fortunately for me I've into so many so therefore and I know raised. Alleged is upset at me right now because he got me a part of the wave movement. I'm wolfing right now. Because Saturday sewer three yes was going to happen. Jacoby guess is going to have. This is going to happen. I'm going to get a fresh cut. I'M GONNA get a first cut except Sean Porter sees two fathers close up. He's not in Las Vegas his not. He's not in Las Vegas. He is GonNa get on an airplane to come the Vegas to cut my hair before I go to the fight so when someone asks you with someone asks you when they're going to ashes and you know what she's so loyal ashes like. Oh what do you do tomorrow? He's going to be like I'm flying to see. What are you going to fight? No Cut Jalen rose's hair. That's what he's doing that's what he's doing tomorrow he allowance. You know what I mean like. You got to give him a big tip. You got some allow. You gotta give him enough money to go to nobu to order off the menu like you did when fluids paying for it you need to take care of. Sh- is you need to take care of shifts so breaking news breaking news. I just heard something. That's very important and today is Friday. I gotta hit up she is. It's an emergency. It's a nine one one. I just now learned clients of cheese I e rich allege have an eleven eight appointment own Saturday. Arbiters has his appointment. What's bridge a whole? Our whole thermos ordered Uber pushes me. Waiting outside the barbershop at noon. I know you are. You GonNa have overweight outside. Knock on the door fade me. No so that all so that lets me know. He told me he was. GonNa be at Las Vegas but yet he did tell his clients now he was. GonNa be in Las Vegas so after risk gets cut at Eleven A. The he's GonNa be on a flight in at the new to come cut me because otherwise somebody's gotta get left out on like David Jacoby. I'm loyal Barbara. See I like you you know what you would do was Vegas. Let me tell you what you would do. You go to fresh cuts you go to one of those flaws. I'm trying to think of Whiteness. Names F. One those spots and you walk in and you walk in and you know you do it. Cut your hair loyalty. Anybody you don't even have to speak English even have to ever cut hair before difference under care you could you? Could you could be Nelson and get my haircut care less if I if I just give me of because one clip and I'm good relationship. I need to fly people around. Act Crazy airline miles out here for you if you need it. I'm with shots. Sport Coats. They spot so all right. We got time for sport clips. We have time for a couple of voicemails. We if you will call nine eight five eight zero Jalen you can leave his voice mail. If you leave us a voicemail. We'll put it on the show just like this. Hey Jalen and Jacoby. This is Josh from Chicago. I JUST WANNA come on agree with Jacoby that for sure you have power rankings. Are Your children especially if they're multiples especially if they're young it's about who's easier at the moment I have a power ranking and everybody at work is shocked at me as well. They I appreciate it. Thank you Josh Josh. He's an honest person. Josh telling the truth the people you know what I was in. I was in the makeup chair. Yeah we're makeup for the show and I'm proud of it and I was talking to Mike. Greenberg he's got two kids and they were asking me about who my favorite was. Anita marks was in there and they heard that I had a favorite child and then I asked my Greenberg said my favorite kid. No no way. They're just so different. I never pick a favorite but I bet he's got a favorite. He's actually such a sweetheart he probably doesn't probably does it? He's a sweetheart I would guess that if you have more than two kids you've got a power ranking whether you want it to yourself or not you do you just do and you know what again this is. Not a permanent power ranking. It's GonNa Change but I'm telling you know. Let let me tell you something. I'm GonNa do this really controversial and I wanna say it on wax to get your opinion. Obviously the opinion of the people you know I speak for you. Talk into a microphone and you talk about players and you talk about their weaknesses and you talked about the bad decisions they make and then there's always one person that tries to at the person that you're talking about to do to meet up the tanks. Horseshoe Yup okay so let me tell you something that I need your opinion and would you still love me if I re tweeted. I reposted you talking about having a favorite kid and then I added your wife. Joey Jacoby. You don't joke Hobie so let me tell you something Mr Rose you know molly number my phone right like I work with my Friday right so if you want to start you start that kind of a back and forth you start doing that. We can start doing that but it would probably be in your best interest to just leave that one alone and let that one. Go deep in the timeline. That's all I gotta say because you know because there's a lot that I could bring up to molly and I'm GonNa not do that. I WANNA thank Josh. For calling and being honest I want to thank Jalen. Rose bringing the Booze Yasmine the passion and the energy early morning in Las Vegas after a night with Floyd and again I want to give a big shout to be on a on her twenty second and I got to say one other. I gotta I gotTa say I got. I got to say one other thing about Vegas living up to the height and getting the chance to kick it with floyd money way whether last night are you listening to Jacoby listening not really are you listening. It was such an amazing night hanging out with Floyd Mayweather that I am wearing the exact same clothes that I wore yesterday on the shell for. Not showering. You gotTa Save Save Trust Soccer. You probably didn't even go to sleep. Favorite person the whole entire world. Enjoy the fight. Look forward to talking to you on Monday. We'll be back. Why is that Jalen rose? We're done we're not done. We're not done.

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MTV Reality RHAPup | The Challenge Final Reckoning Episode 17 Recap Podcast

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MTV Reality RHAPup | The Challenge Final Reckoning Episode 17 Recap Podcast

"Entertainment design, just for you, then checkout. Customizable, streaming TV from Finnity it makes your life simple easy. Awesome. Expended? He gives you, customizable, streaming TV options. Enjoy the most free shows anywhere on any device and even access your streaming apps right on your TV with x one. Go to expand dot com. Call one eight hundred Finnity or visit a store today. To learn more restrictions apply. Walk back to the challenge. Final reckoning wrap up Faulk ass seventeen. I am Brian Cohn. As always my coast Alice your alley, how are you? I'm doing well and happy Halloween. Yes. It is actually Louis. Correct. Who knew that would make sense splash last week? How did you not know? Of course, it would. Every time. I think we have a good episode in Wieder here nothing. It's either gets nothing to negative feedback. And every time I think it's like the word podcasts of my life. I wake up to like three hundred affiliation. Saying people like it. Right. You know? What's funny? We've this has gone on for four years. But actually thought this has been like our best season. I thought we've had a lot of good podcast this season so kudos for like don't strong. It's really who can judge that. I feel like just been so amazing over the last four I'm thinking. Thinking it's going to be five years this spring, right? Wow. That is that. Like a certain anniversary. It's like right around the time. You think about getting out of their relationship rate? That's the exit coming up half mile. I wanted to play your signal on. Yeah. Yeah. That's chick party syncing on that by down by one of the markers. It's weird. You kind of forget sometimes Halloween, and then you step outside into the streets and go in the subway, go. Yeah. It's Halloween is stuff going on right now. You don't forget how when you're on and under grad campus. No, probably not it's been Halloween for the last two weeks here. That sounds awful. You don't like you over? I'm not I'm not a big costume guy. I don't know like effort holidays. That's why banks giving because you just like show up and eat. Well, yeah. It's a lot of effort for somebody else. Right. Yeah. For now. I don't worry about that. But later on in life, maybe now, it's funny. I it doesn't surprise me at all that you're not a costume guy. And that's not a negative. That's just nuture like feeling probably wouldn't surprise a lot of listeners that fits my MO. I I'm surprised it hasn't come up though in what we've determined to be five years. Well, normally I feel like this should be about the time. When the challenge goes on a break, but we've been every time I looked at my lake past history of notes and stuff, and I see like episode one notes dated July tenth I die a little bit inside. Like, it's just it's just it is just crazy. And I think we Sylvan other month because I think the December fourth finale date seems to be right. So I mean, it's just while. Well, they said three more episodes, including this one, I guess December. That would take us when they skipping giving. Maybe so it'd be. Fourteen maybe you skip thanksgiving. And then it's Denali in the in the union, maybe fine with it. Nothing really happening this episode. But if they were actually I've watched fifty episodes fifty episode season life is not my problem. It's the content. Yeah. Yeah. Give me the content. Here's a question. Do you think let's call a shot think at the finale finale ends do we know the winner or doing that bullcrap again where they hold off to the reunion? Well, if we're either gonna think the question is do we know if they take the money or not because they're gonna wanna make that the cliffhanger, right? We see who wins. And then it's like do you take? I don't think they're doing do take the money at the reunion. I think that decision is not made at the reunion is effing is that definite option like the corner. Could take the whole thing. We know. That's for sure I believe at one point in the last six months, we did know that for sure. Okay. I would agree. That's like a bad habit on island decision. And I don't but the question is do they show it? I think we know who wins do I sink? We know if they take the money or not. I think if they take the money we see on the episode if they kick us to the reunion like cliffhanger there's sharing the money. Because they don't wanna see that play the reunion when the tension is data like you're not angry anymore. Although I mean last season like, I'm not forgetting they didn't reveal the car Awan. But I didn't do it live. Also, they cut into the last two minutes of the finale at the end of a three part reunion. That's what happens. I remember. I remember that when they did the the draw to see who wants that happened, quote, unquote, LA, I mean, not live when I've at the reunion. Because they finish the puzzle thing they did the whole reunion acting like we didn't like no one knew who won. And then they just showed it. And then it just ended. What a show. To be clear. I still love the show. I just think there's a couple of formatting things like I do like this elimination in the middle of the episode. I feel like that's something they got into a while back, and we don't feel like we had that consistently. In recent listens. Haven't even this season. They've recently been pretty good at ending at good parts of the episode, which I feel like we've noted the last few weeks they've done a better job of ending it at a moment when you can. And it just this. This goes back to like, I didn't really remember even like who is up for elimination. Who's like, I remember like what the scenario was going into up. So before we get to that. Let's do some drinking game coverage. Maybe I shouldn't have segue to that. But I feel like I like to get it over west forget, which I did love that win Jonathan suffer me. He's had to remember the drinking, right? All right. So what do you thinking? I didn't really have anything. I feel like I like all lot of things to not. Anything nothing. We pop the my new to replace it with. All right. So that's interesting because that's a week where absolutely nothing got hit this week except for under armor offish off off challenge. Yeah. So a week where no hits almost no hits for either of us one head on my side. But who cares just as a collective drinking game almost no hits you're leaving viewers? Although there was a TJ green like over. It was almost like a nod like voice overlap, but if you look at TJ Greenstreet when he like cut to the commerce to be like. Was talking like, oh what viewer is gonna win. That seem like it was not in the moment thing, we leave it to our chief party officer. But yeah, that's fair. Notable thing happened this week and I call. Call it out. It got brought to my attention. I think people are sleeping on something else. Jeremy Hamilton said last week alley removed quote making a big deal about a dream from the drinking game and this week. We get Kalian their damn she'd house excited about dreaming Natalie implying when the challenge alley new grads about making your choice last week. And I got tweets up the yin Yang about this. And it's so funny like if you wanna know, you don't wanna walk mile in my moccasins. That's what it's like. But nothing really majorly bad, but just like hilariously bad. I think also TJ insulted someone your rule that got canceled too. So we just bad track record now of cancelling rules. Maybe you're taking the right approach. I guess so or maybe I should cancel something that I want to see happen. And then it'll. Like flashback flashing back to current episode actually thought that happened this week. And then it wasn't a current episode of episodes prior. I should have something drink when people actually go home and that she cancelled like half, the casco's home that should be added to your call. I think that's a great one. Bad. To cancel it next week. Someone actually goes home from the show. A can't come back under any circumstances. Next week probably a week for that rule. Maybe don't get. Yeah. Yeah. I've a couple of suggestions. And then I'm gonna I have one maybe one adopt one of these suggestions Angela actually tweeted here's a fun game. Take your shot every time either Natalie Johnny say Angela, that's I almost use that. I was like maybe I'll use that. I have nothing really then I came up with one. But that's want to spend that like anytime someone references an excess no longer on the show anymore. So I was thinking that too. And then I was like, yeah. You know, what something else? But there's something there there's material there something there. This kind of goes along with your suggestion. Michael Rodriguez suggest take drink when something happens that actually moves the plot on. Good chaos. But that's the goal is trying to get people to drink. So I don't know that. That's so great. I'm going to suggest take your drink. When someone gets mad at TJ, the inverse of your room. I like that. I like that we saw that a pop up the last couple of weeks twice in this episode, and it's reminiscent of one of my favorite moments. Maybe my favorite moments ever history when Jonathan Penner snaps back at Jonathan Jeff probes and probes goes Penner. Get mad at me. So we'll bring that in. So if someone gets mad at TJ take drink is your ficials stance, you're gonna cancel rule. So are you add ING something and cancelling? You're you're saying, no, I'm staying. I'm staying neutral. All right. I my actions are plastic and insult third person's self given nickname absurdities for the money. I think my logic is I think that the absurd of the money is gonna come more into play as the money gets closer some keeping that rescue squad that that's like that can happen. Third persona self given name Cam still on the show carousel promotes. That's gotta happen. As we go into the final can get rid of confirm coitus. Not a lotta love on the show right now. It's fair. So get rid of that. That's more of like a first four weeks type thing you'll see a lot of stuff coming later. Although big love between Natalie of no said, you'd never know. Right, right. I'll take my chances. We'll get of that one. Dago? For the second that works. I hope it works. Does. Follow your complaints. Elsewhere. All right. So we can jump. Now's the episode with paulie Natalie. You know, they're in charge. Yeah. I my computer trial as fast forwarding through the jersey shore family vacation which airs before this. And then it like glitched and jumped to Natalie walking back into the house 'cause they're getting set up to be like looking agree. Paulie? And I swear I thought Sammi sweetheart was back, and nobody told me so I just want to put this out there. I had a dream about it or something if Sammy sweeter returns to jersey shore, and I don't get at least two tweets about very upset. Anyway. Yeah. Paulie, natalie. Put that they're also I'd be very 'cause I also watch it. So she appeared, and I didn't see that kind of weird four tweets than w. Tweets between us that's fine. This is kind of like the ending that I was calling for all along. And now I'm kinda here with it where paulie Nali spending tire season. And now they're just probably gonna win like they're just gonna win the season. It's hard because I feel more frustrated by that if it was the true like they were all the time as you said, and they came back, and then we're like considered a layup or something and didn't and got to the Anat way. But no last two they've been so dominant to the point where I forget what the even ended up in redemption. Like, I've been very impressed by both them. Yeah. It took. I mean, it helps when you have a lot of chances to kind of get over your nerves, and like your fears and all that stuff and we're way out during the season and not like over the course of four seasons. So that that's kind of what they've had going for them. A lot of people who've been on multiple seasons to work their nerves out and still suck. It's for sure it's just like, you know, good good for them to make the most of their opportunity. I think it's because and I don't know if he's been doing this the whole season. So I'd be curious to go back. Polly's fully wearing a woman shirt in his confessionals Sempe. So maybe he's getting like feminist power from his women shirt and. Donate. A team bonding thing there wearing each other's clothes notice. The it's like really one of the worst shirts for a man or woman I've ever seen. I haven't. I'm too distracted. Whenever not only comes on screen that they force her to like because she's clearly when in the house she puts makeup on her chin, and then like in the confessional where they're like make even look even worse for her. No, no, freshly Vassily ventriloquist's, dummy is her full confessional. Look. I don't really know. I still not convinced something worse doesn't happen. Somehow doesn't make it worse. Because it just looks so disgusting, but paulie is wearing a leg. Scoop. Neck, featherweight, feathered, gray, blue tight hell shirt. And you should check it out. It's a site. Well. I'll look for that next week. I can't promise better content than that until we get to like maybe halfway through because for the most part of this. I was just like I've one line of not just like what really we're supposed to believe this and like rely on Brian is just implied. Because I just the first half of this episode was very. Maybe the whole episode was very hard to believe I feel like the story lives. They were trying to get across. Yeah. I mean, this is something we talked about last week was I were the lavender is really going to target bananas, and Tony and not take easy shot. Kara marie. And then also would one of those teams try to avoid going in by throwing up earn votes and stuff like that. And everything came out like all played out that we were. Conjecturing about. Yeah. I still do. I was thinking about that too. Because I think I was like against I didn't think they play burn vote. But I thought it'd be like discussed right? We didn't even get it ended up receiving like there was a burden, but it wasn't discussed. Right. It was discussed with only one party of didn't imagine that bananas. And Tony didn't think it would be an option to be discussed car Marie discussed it. And we're talking about in elimination they discussed voting booth when Marie reveals right? But I wasn't even clear like, yes. Okay. So they voted chain Nelson. That was burned vote. I guess, but it seems like no like banana was bananas trying to throw burn vote by his vote. Like did he know that Polly Nali were voting? Joson Sylvia, and he voted or day. My reversing it. Yeah. No. That's that's a great question. I've been I'm very confused by all that I went on one back and forth. A few last night. Watching the episode about how I thought this was horrible for bananas that he could not like he did it nowhere Natalie's vote was going, and I thought that was very bad look by him by not giving himself in option of trying to avoid elimination or they'll put the point that someone offered back that I think is a stretch that he knew he was going in and this allowed him to pick his opponent going into the elimination. I think that's a stretch. But I mean, it was just a weird local around for all these explain that. So you're saying he's he's going in. So he's the point Tom Palmer who brought up the point on Twitter saying that, but that is knows that are voting for him. And then this way he can go to the elimination. See? What it is. And pick of those three who wants to go up against rather than his opponent ahead of time. And then they vote him in. I think it's more likely that he did not know that he was going in that he thought I was going in. He was aware of Kara and Natalie and Polly marines votes were Kara said she would do right. Maybe. And that he was trying to burn about. I think it's that they both burn votes. Accidentally and only because Marie kept it a secret and car was willing to do that. Hundred percent of your with. I don't think he thought this was coming at all. I think it's completely unlikely that he didn't know Natalie Polly's. But I think he just didn't wanna look like maybe TV was helping him. Like, I don't know. I don't know why it wasn't burn vote. Why we didn't get that logic? Maybe you're like trying to rescue him. And be like, oh, this isn't afraid. But I didn't know it'd be a good move. It would be great to see the story play out that they all were degree meant to make us and bananas and Kara both thinker getting number hand and see who really has the upper hand, which in this case Kara. No. That'd be that'd been great TV because it would have been both screwing over each other. And I would love to see that fall out because it seemed like. That was the case why wasn't bananas more upset that. It wasn't a tie. If he there was there was a disconnect in a conversation that we weren't privy to that. I would love to see because there's something missing. There's one part missing that so gotten screwed over. And we just did see them react to it. And the real part missing here is the Marie benches recap is not posted yet. I think at this at this time it just been submitted via Twitter, I saw that. So we will report on this next week when we have more clarity. But I didn't usually you see tweets of like, here's what really happened like Marie actually saved our whole this whole time. But at least this episode of dividend seem like that to lavender ladies came up to her and didn't even respect your enough to bring her into the plan. We're just like you better. Not tell anyone this isn't even about you. We're just taking a shot at bananas. It's there's no semesters re love we wanna get back on the same page at least for this week. We want you. You're more of a helped us bananas. We're going to step up and take him out. And we want you in with us Burnham owed on Jason Nelson. Yeah. But also her telling. No, what would have changed from that. Like they could have done. No matter. What bananas knew they could have done this. Anyway. So nobody prove loyalty, but it doesn't really you don't need to blindside him. I like get a him general good strategy to get catch them off guard. That's fair. That's fair. More. So it seemed like they were afraid that her spoiling it with lead to be able like work as way to knock go into a limitation when they wanted to admit he was going to go win. No matter either get voted in or by whoever got voted voting. Denver him. Right, right. Yeah. I don't know. Just like if they're going to tell Marie regardless like the way they told her to me help nothing. I guess it really doesn't matter. Right. Because it doesn't seem like there's going to be a problem between marina lavender ladies moving forward in the next season or the next season, whatever. So it's not like they really have much making up to do. But it just seems like even meaner like there's so mean to Marie there. So me like a necessarily be like, they're all working together. There's still treated like sh- crap. Yes. They're terribly mean to let's. Let's talk about a question. We didn't really talk about their. I kind of like how we did it where we just talked about the me. But we gotta go back to answer. This question to the non meat of redemption house moments with Kyle and Kaley and apparently Nelson his Keighley's boyfriend who cares? Bradley's comment about Nelson's credit score and Cleveland del says in your eyes whose credit score zero. Also, which credit union employs? Brad's is right. I also. Founded funny about Brad saying like he has more class than Nelson, and I guess branches like never watch any of his prior seasons on the ever. So I guess anything before twenty maybe before twenty eighteen just cow because otherwise Brad is right up there with Nelson in the class regard. I mean this frustrating Kyle Brad is like they act like they have these huge vendettas now against them. Like, oh my God. I'll never forget this as long as I live. I'll swear off Nelson. I'll get him in his sleep like all this craziness. And it's ready done the same thing to so many people so many times do the same thing Nelson. It chain you have done it. So like come on those just the fact that they're carrying this torch against them for just eliminating them. Which is part of the game is absolutely ridiculous. It's very weakest. I've been like they were like the closest of friends in the bay screwed them over like, they they clearly they even compliment them in the clip there like this team strong, and we're taking a chance to get out. Now. Like, I don't know how. They could have possibly been. Yeah. It was really frustrating credit scores era Nelson. Nothing's canceled his credit skins. Maybe he means the million bucks buyback is credit. And then also like we're getting into this. Speaking of Nelson territory with the triangle between the nana's Natalie Angela transition into the triangle between Keighley Nelson, Angela and keely Nelson, Natalie bananas, Nelson, Natalie and under whatever point is why are we still in the story line? I dot we resolve this is a fake relationship Kalian outed Natalie horribly inappropriately Natalie arrives, you know, bigger better. I this is my sexuality uncomfortable. This is now on my terms. And now, we're right. Stuck back into the death. No that was the fake relationship between bananas and Natalie. This is the end of the trilogy loss to come back around. Remember, happy last season's all tied together swan and nothing else mattered before it or after we'll matter I feel like we've done all the progress. We did with Natalie's like resolution of the issue in the beginning of the season. It's very bizarre. It's very bizarre. How like I feel like we're only really get 'rumour getting the bananas confessional about how this relationship is still Kara about how this ship between him and earlier is even possibly thing for Natalie. All really getting is her talking about a friendship. That's why I think is still very much a fake thing. Because it's been out in cars spinning at a Natalie's strictly talking like like, we're friends, but it's weird stuff. More surrounding that this totally made up like ours supposed to believe for second. That Natalie is a friendly dancing at a club with Nelson hunter, and whoever for splice unknown reason to spite bananas Angela jealousy than so insane. Hey, Jane, if anything I would say Natalie is so much more either only in bananas hit or he just so desperate to like create this storyline because this is more. I feel like in bananas head and a lot of stuff that Devon was doing. Yeah. I can't even get into the layers of thinking like are the producers like feeding this car the Nanas or is this like bananas is really like manna producing regardless. It is. So not believable to the producers or two bananas. Like, let's get into gig a love Angela bananas that was fresh fresh. Even the stuff on the episode is is a little bit fun, but not the nine LeBron added side of it. And then you mentioned Kara. What's amazing? Suddenly bananas anatomy are like the new car, and Kyle which was also annoying. But at least real this is now like the will they won't they tension nor each other. No, you don't Haley sure on says, did we ever think we would live in a world where Kara Eminem is our BFF enough for her to straddle. Hug in. That sounds like the worst user, it's like a horror movie of all time. In a world where Cora mounts bananas as a friend. This coming December fourth. Their their their history together is weird. And it's almost it's they're really just coming together. All because of just how much the new people are just trying to take over there. Just like it's a marriage comedians to use one of his like, they're the only veterans left. So they're just you know, they've been battles together. All right. I guess we're friends now they have had like a frenemy relationship for a little while now. But yeah, I mean, it's like I'm very curious to see. Another longtime friend of bananas back next season. I whatever castings say like you get more of bananas enemy is coming in as old school like they will be working together. I imagined. You would think so on the table, right? Right. Right. Always on the table. Okay. We talked about the vote, right? But we do have a question about. Bananas picked eventually go against Johnson Sylvia here before that. Are you surprised that? This is actually impressive. You have to give them credit. They're like, you know, what we're not taking the easy shot. We're going after bananas and Tony. That's impressive. Oh, yeah. No. It's what we scream about. If anything like it makes me just want to skip over it. Because usually it'd be like oh my God. You're not going to beat them in the final. Anyway, get them out. Now have the chance or at least. It's a risk that chance that you won't have to take them out. So yeah. Kudos to them. I think they're finally refine Lee seeing a counter alliance to bananas playing the game. Well, and again, it's a kind of with the mandate. I don't always get the shame hate because Shane is like he's sticking his lines. He has a plan. He executed that plan and he's not backing down and taking the easy shot. Like, he's like, no, we're going after bonanza Tony day. We'll beat us in the end we're playing to win. And these still gets hated on a lot. I'm always very confused by the public hatred of certain people when they're do what they want them to do. But they don't do it exactly how they want them to do it. So the hate them. Both hated on. Shame. I feel like before now for something like this. But I think she's been a lot more tolerable this episode. I don't know. I I've almost warmed up. Shame because of how much I feel like the spectrum is going the other way too. That's really interesting. I think bananas gets more likable when he's on his own on an island as an underdog Shane is at his best when he actually has an alliance because I think when Shane is just kind of snaking around and his alliance can't really do anything. But he says that he has his mastermind ideas, and he liked puffs his chest and calls Dave Armitage in talk shit to bananas. But he can't back it up at all because he's just like playing with sand. It just keeps going right fingers. But here and Shane's actually able to be like, no, I'm a good game strategist and watch me execute these moves, and I do have balls, and I will compete that's a much better. Look for Shane than just like bitching. So I appreciate how much clearly he does want to win. I think a lot of the stuff. Him. And also we saw was him understand like this is like he has an actual chance at the Tommy thought because he still does. But he thought he had an actual chance to win. I need you to do this. So we could win that we're getting close. I want wanna win this. I was refreshing the say that is interesting like when it's this isn't the first time it'd be interesting to look at times when somebody lay from being someone where we would say could never win challenge. I would safely say before the season that I would think Shane could never win a challenge to being in a very real possibility of winning challenge. A lot of people the way this season is playing out are people that I never thought would win and actually having a realistic chance, Sylvia. I never thought Sylvie could ever win. She's got a decent chance to win now. Yeah. It is interesting. I think that's what makes this season season. There are good layers. Just that's what I keep saying this season. If you shrunk it down would be a phenomenal season. It's like when they give you like the directors cutter additional scenes like on a DVD version. I would buy a DVD version of this season. Like condensed to like an old school twelve episode ten season the kind of the opposite like they're giving us director's cut. But we wish we just saw the actual version and then saw where this fracture. How would it be to watch a like what is it called? When like, you know, you have TJ recording himself watching the episode and talking about commentary TJ's commentary episode. Ever watch it. Sparty. Like, oh, my God this on TV or him being like this is what happened in the house like Britain? Brad were hooking up things. He was like when a teacher like a high school teacher finds out to people are dating and their class or something like that the person is not privy to the gospel. All like being like, oh, my God, they wouldn't gather. I had no idea Armageddon who do not. It'd be excellent. That's a good one. Okay. Are we ready to talk about the decision? The armageddon. Sure. So bananas ends up pick Manas, and Tony, but really bananas and the picking Joson Sylvia to go against remorse has surprised the bananas and Tony picked joss Soviet over. Nelson ching. I think a little bit. So they were fearful of Shane's prowess at water challenges. Right. That was like their reasoning. Sure. Okay. I think I don't know. I guess their thought is like if they can try to exploiting Sylvia's a week. But I feel like in certain situations. Nelson is much more of a weekly than Sylvia. Yeah. We gotta factor bananas known sexist, and I think he would say that he sex it like bananas, a sexist. So I think not as automatically going to team with a girl on it. But yeah, I think he also doesn't really have an justifiably not that he just fly sexist. But this part is justifiable that I don't think he probably has a lot of faith in joss in challenge. Like this where you see like pieces tied to something, you know, unless it's brute strength like what are you really afraid joss for? I would say I don't think there's a right answer or wrong answer. I think you could go any direction. I think go hunter nationally and hope that starts having a freak out. And then her and hunters have like a gigantic fight. And you win that way. I don't think there was an easy or wrong or any answer. I think it was a flip of a coin. Yeah. I think hundred nationally maybe would be my pick your only because you don't see I don't see either of them like being good at building the stack. Like, I think you're right that Asham totally freak out. And I don't think hunter like Dow would be his strength. Plus, I mean based on how poorly as Tony did. They probably lose anyone. And I wonder if the equalizers were all a part of it. So obviously this challenge in how many equalizers, but if something's physical like breaking through the wall, the maze thing that car Maria and Marie lost arm. Again, shayna Nelson, Mike presumably those wells were like thicker for the mouth teams, something that's based on gender not on. I don't know strength or whatever else they could measure that'd be hard to measure. So I wonder if it was a challenge that looked like bashing sledgehammer through something if they would've picked Shane announce into be afraid that you know, Sylvia would have an equaliser something that potentially. She was really need this one. I was a decision. Didn't shock me. No matter what they did wasn't gonna shock me. Right. Did you like this challenge? It was interesting. I kind of like when they're in difficult environment. I think it had something to when they're like the cold water or really hot or something like that. So I think that was fun doing like a balancing puzzle. And it's different wasn't the elimination. But I mean, they've had worse. So there's that. I like to Shange. I don't know. I liked this challenge. I thought it was a good challenge for male female co Ed challenge, and I dunno. I thought it was injured. I thought it really broke Johnny like, I think you saw Johnny completely break. Which was just I really did. I think they did a good job of conveying how difficult it was in terms of the temperature although inexplicably Tony. Bananas are bare bare-chested at the end. I your cold. I don't know why you're not in the jackets like Johnson who am I? Showing off their their goods that's judgment on that. But. Good job for Johnson, Sylvia. Very impressive. Was shame. Blast during joss not to touch your talker move or do anything Shane was? Right. Josh should not touch her talk or do anything. To read advice. Let Soviet one thing. I did problem with his take on joss is bananas. Like, basically saying joss like you're control by woman, you're so weaken disgusting like good job. Like, basically, we could have been together man like we could have worked together and you had to go play her game. You can play your game excuse me joss in such better position bananas. And Tony are besides the fact that Justice staying in the game like his alliance is stronger than bananas and Johnson Soviet can be the people in their alliance potentially. Oh, God say even within their lines. They were in a good spotlight. They were never we're we're on the bottom and all were also on the top. They were kinda like perfectly in the middle where they were never really targeted by anyone within their line. So I think they were always been a very good spot in just played quote bananas game. They would've been totally screwed car in Marie. Joson? I mean, this is a great game for them to they play where I think they all they're the only team left to never go to redemption. Right. Yeah. They're the only people who've been in the house the entire time and haven't gone, redemption. And then the other thing that I thought was beautiful about this shower. Just like it was such a metaphor for Sylvia Johnson's game, especially but like every time Soviet gets close Boone house of cards goes down. No fall to around. Then she builds it back up and falls again. So. I liked that that little. Very surprising elimination results this season for what they have to have been a lot with all this. There's been some very surprising ones is this apprising. Adam say tweeted us are we at the point where we can consider Soviet one of the top tier challengers? I originally thought she. But now she Kayla Melissa, Tori and Madonna's. She Tori when did that happen? But remember when we were like, they're only like three things this has to be like, the only good thing. She's done after Tory should be, Tori. Chidi Melissa remember the most iconic ball challenge slippery wrestling. I remember that was good. He's been very impressive. I think of the new crop of Email. She's she's Duffy sit out. Yeah. No. I mean, are I wrote my notes all Sylvia? Like that. You know, I think it's not surprising anymore. They'll be it goes into nomination and performs. Well, I don't know why she's not performing as she never learned that in the challenges. But I don't see her as. She shines elmination for whatever reason. It's not like she's really been shining so much in the challenges. It's kind of like worked for them. Right. That's why they're not viewed as a big threat to anyone there. Never really the target of the bananas relate. They're always talking on nationally and Elson Shane, so they're not viewed as a threat, but they're also not coming close to losing anything. And then when they push comes the show and they need to win. They can win they're playing right? Smack dab in the middle is perfectly as you. Come any. No, he's going to be as NAMI and come back from the dead next week. But for now any eulogy on bananas and Tony. Could win elimination is one one I'm like a century. So that'll be nice. My g is karma bitch bananas. I really enjoyed seeing banana flame out so hard this episode after being completed who last week. To eliminate record. We a lot of people. Let us know about his own nation record. I pulled Tom Palmer's tweet not counting the battle of the exiles from exit exit to the nana's is now seven and ten and eliminate how much of a stain is that on his reputation as the goat of the challenge. And also Matlin Liguori pulled that it's like his recent stats if you just consider recent seasons is worse than that. I mean, it's not great. But I've always said what makes bananas great is his ability to avoid eliminations and then be win finals. So, but it's just kind of adds to that. Yeah. I agree. I think his challenge elimination record is not the only thing you should be considering when you into being the go to the challenge like you said, I he's not losing challenges. He's getting into limitations, and he's not going to be someone who's getting sent in early to go against the labs. Like, you can have a much more winning challenge record when you're somebody. Who's getting thrown in like Damon Joe's, right like it's easier. Not to take away from them. But it's easier to have an impressive challenge record built up really quick and your rookie season. If you're decent. Yeah. So that's all skit do wonder if this will start adding to the notion of like, you know, he's not in the best chance you do have to eliminate him is just doing. So you might as well just take as many shots as you possibly can throughout the season. Like do it in the first week doing the second week whenever. Do you think though that if this had been the maze challenge, if this had been the sledgehammer through the wall challenge, this has been a lot of the other eliminations, I think they would have had a much better chance. Like, you do have to get a little bit musher. Definitely. Yeah. They got a little bit. I'm lucky with this with this challenge. But I mean, that's the point of nations is final. It's it's pretty consistent about what it takes to win little nations. Crapshoot. So that's why you're better off just taking your shot there. Not really on topic. But on the topic of Amazon, Tony we're spending ten times nana's, obviously. But what I would cling to this episode when they go to redemption Brad gives not Brad Kyle gives Tony like the based Paul hugs. We've seen Zach following historic for Tony and was more against a man, but still for Tony. Tony might be the most loved person universally on this challenge even see him able to sort of have relationships with some of the young bucks, or at least be able to have an understanding with them or express willingness to have an understanding with them. It doesn't to Tony has many enemies, and he might be deadlier than bananas coming back next season. Think just liked I think LeRoy, probably more liked. But I think we were we'll have more of the stigma of being attached to bananas which will make him a target. Tony might not. So that's why I think twenty would be more dangerous to last longer just like someone who their favorite person is. I think ROY still is the most generally light personal all I mean, that's bad guy like more for sure. But like Kyle relationship, LeRoy, like a lot of new people coming in having been out for a few seasons or LeRoy was there two seasons ago. But he lasted like one minute, right? Was that Tuesday's goes back injury. Sure. Whatever he was he hasn't been on a while in any sort of meaningful way. And there have been a lot new more people like does levers relationship with Kaley. And or Kyle and or. Tori, he does. But you know, it's just interesting, and I'm even comparing apples to I'm not comparing LeRoy Tony more just between the nana's. So that's a fair point. But I also think that bananas is like the person we start talking about all the time. Like, Tony people are sleep. I'm Tony challenge prowess, and the fact that he's been sober. I think is making him that our competitor. Coming into a new season and not many people that are gonna have Tony on their on their hit list, especially if it doesn't after what happened the previous he's in. So. You. I was gonna do. To you. Because you said that you liked this drama purchasing the end of the episode. I feel like we've arrived. Yeah. I mean, it's just it's fascinating you walks in and he's got his plan of integrate the Nelson Kelly relationship saying that Kelly was looking up with with what's his name? I mean, it's just. Oh my God. So that was kind of a. Interesting. I think it was fun. Do you think this will work? Well, this break them. I think he picked the perfect people that could make it work because even initially Nelson acted like it was like he doesn't even know how to defend themselves properly when you start question, and I go what did he tell you? What are you know, that's like the obvious Mark of a guilty person? But he's not guilty. So he's he has the perfect people to make this work. Yeah. I agree Nelson. I hope he gets his act together the beginning of the episode because he handled this he's so guilty, and he's not guilty. But I don't know I think rumors ruined Brandon Britney last season. So who knows what can happen? This is. Yeah. I think it'll I do think it'll probably not I feel like I have to Nelson a little bit of credit. They can talk himself out of someone. That's clearly not true. But especially if anyone else breaks, but you never know weaving into the double crosses someone that'll make things interesting. See I tricked. You don't think it works? I don't think you're listening. I saw Brad pretty broke of this season. But I said last season only because I thought my notes go. Yeah. Not having lost. Oh my God. That was this season. Let me see if I could just get that passed Brian. But I don't know that they really connected worth it work. That was that. I don't all that. We're like can you believe that was the season? But that really does not feel like this season. Jimmy was on the season and Jenna that seems like more real than out of no idea. This makes no sense to me. So. He was we have right now. And we have what five. Brad and Kyle the ghost appalling adults that doesn't count Cam. Kaley bananas. And Tony can't name anyone else. Who's there? Now. No. And then she also this challenge. Forgot somebody else. Yeah. There was this other challenge this week. Yeah. The only thing I liked about this challenge was the editing. They put on Nelson like he was on a spit with the little fire thought that was amazing. So this is completely on chain. How on earth? Are you having Nelson? Do the agility part of this challenge? Issued really going to be better at this Nelson. As the better option. The fact that Nelson was even on that for five seconds. I was surprised I do he had no of doing this this. This is the this is like if he had to do that like that treadmill that he fell I know he won that challenge with took them a while. Possibly were fall his face. Like a cartoon like this. No chance. Yeah. It is more than I think it's it is definitely more of an intelligence thing. That's nothing. I was surprised that hunter was so good at it. But like. You're right. It is sort of more of a mental thing than it is just like raw power, Ron Durance or athleticism. This is always I wanted him say, it's mental athleticism. And that's like what Nelson doesn't really he has strengthened like power. This is pure lettuce of being with a balance and move quickly stable, and like that's not Nelson at all. Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. I did I'm happy that I'm doing is. Otherwise wouldn't have gotten to rotisserie chicken moment that we all need it into earned. Speaking speaking of it, I was gonna say earlier giving kudos to paulie. But we're giving coulda the, but I wanna get good as poly because the fact that he fell and got up on this spinning watt of doom was actually insane. I mean, this is the paulie that was bred for this. This is so him like this is perfect for. I'm like he's finally showing his his makeup. Then this is when I was like how did Natalie Paul even keep going redemption? In Arkansas peck in the house when they're able to do this. It's crazy but good for Alex. So it was a lot of people tell onto that also falling, and it's Robin was harder to get right on that. And they get right off. Sometimes it's easier to get in like a group going back and forth. So for hurdle. Do that. Without a missing a beat was also very impressive. Yeah. That is a good point true. Then they did a really great job would have been much more interesting. If. They were they want. See? I just got screwed up. See bad podcast. We hit our peak when. Two seconds ago. You said something fun and I enjoy because they beacon forgot. No, no, no. So many funny things it's hard to keep track. Yeah. No. It is hard. Okay. So. I was gonna say shaded Nelson south which we talked about and fine. And it's fine. That's a per show and chain and other it would have been much more interesting Maria and Kara Marie and car perched here only because then we see the next episode the lavender ladies having to eat each other. And that's what any power alliance. The payoff is when we see who is at the bottom who is at the top. Because I don't really know when looking at those three teams, well, we wouldn't even Persia wanna know because doing redemption house next week. So they wouldn't even have had. This. I watched this thought this before I saw that next week on theoretically, did you think it was a certain after the challenge played out that she and Nelson. We're going to be the team eliminated. Yes. One hundred percent thought there was a chance they could spend it that like Sylvia, the queued so him going at any point didn't count. Hedy queued? She queued them at that. She didn't even Deke them. She declared the flag. I don't know. I thought that could've fell I with you. I thought they would've lost. There was like a five percent chance that they're going to spin it as because Sylvia screwed up so badly your route didn't count it all so you got zero and you lose. That's so crazy. I know it's crazy, but this fleet of flat. No the challenge. You can't even Chuck challenging. So that that's like they Deke when they fall. So Nelson day queued them before Sylvia. Did you don't queue, and then lose all your progress? I'm just saying I've been called blind sided sometimes by their rules before. I was I was Q my head on with what my what might come out you. Glad you had some history with the show. We all knew it was going to happen. They all knew it was going to happen. Because we even have somebody saying we just need someone to not get half way. Like what they needed someone to step in fall. They needed Marie to be doing. What happened with Marie is exactly what they needed to happen. Yeah. So I have a question did it clean Odell whose game oranges e would be the worst to win. Oh, man. That's a good one. I can't imagine myself ever wearing or owning a car or Marija Z so five on both. That'd be quite the combo. Oh, send me a car and Marie Gers semi passion car Carberry. I'm not a hater. But. Full hater. But not of them right now. I think all he's has to be the worst to win because he's like not even like, we're still he's like not are you gonna challenge guy. Right. Like, I feel like for us. We'd rather have someone. I'd rather have car or Marie over. Paulie? Who's from big brother, and he's not transitioned yet into being a challenge person in my eyes close though, he's such a jerk. I don't think he ever went like to me. He's always big brother. Like, I think it's fine that he's off the challenge. But I don't I wanted to MTV raise person if I'm going to have challenge memorabilia and Polly's just like, I think he's great on the show. But he's just the worst person who are old. So give me car armory way big time over Pauline. Big time. All right. We already talked about Nelson sucking conversation. So let's have some questions. Eliza Bank says I'm so confused by Amazon season. I really just started to feel sorry for him. Then last week was concerning and this week. He's naval again is this just editing or is he really all over the map this season. The Batman live your hero. We live long enough to become the villain this season. So long you live long enough to be a hero to be available here to become a villain again. Glad you came up with that. Because when you were like, what's the bad, man? Quote, you live fast. Okay. Yeah. That's that's fairly at that. Germany. Hamilton says any thoughts on the fact that Joson Sylvia are now the only team to be in the game since episode one never go, the redemption house, very impressive. In case you thought I knew that stat that I just like pulled that out earlier. Now, I got it from Jerry hunt. But I just don't think redemption house is so much a part of the season. It's not even like when they didn't know about what was it was exile. I guess from top Palmer's thing and bananas Noni came bag, basically people like no, it was happening at this point. It's like it's known, you know, it's there, and it's been such a staple. I don't think like anybody who wins who is in redemption is really gonna get ship for it. So it's two teams coming back. So I guess it's going to be once again to polls and then two picks. Two pulls into picks. Alter -ticipant end. So everybody's participated. I couldn't tell if that was to them like the redemption house people or the people that said it to that main house people, meaning whatever they do after they were like everyone's competing again. Like, I was I couldn't understand that fully. Yeah, you're right. That's fair. That's possibility. So if it is it's two people back and then one person's leaving for good. And the redemption Harris is cool to we are four teams to combat will be at six, and then we'll get a limited next week. She'll be at five and then figure at least one mortgage eliminated, maybe two and then final of three. I do wish that. I almost do wish that like they really went away. Like you were saying like someone just like return and go straight to the finale from redemption like this should have done that. Yeah. I mean, I couldn't see this narrow weather's the final three. And then like there's seventeen option and then everyone shows up to the final and the one team comes right out of redemption. And goes to the final like that could easily pull that off. I would have been down. That's my request which would have been like paulie Natalie win the season, which would have been just the ultimate. We only couple tweets before we get to that five star reviews haven't thank people in the World Cup. All them. Michelle k Francis. Mer forty-one utter chaos for two and reality TV obsessed. Thank you so much. If you leave us a treat and on track this Halloween, you won't be listened to in a Halloween, but it's implied. You can go to rob as website dot com slash challenge. I tunes. We appreciate it. Tony tweeted, Shane Nelson, like y'all to meet karma. She's a bitch. I think Tony bananas really met karma. Okay. And then shame tweeted, and this is really the tweet of the night. And we really have to discuss this. Have you seen this tweet? All right. So shady Shane that's his self. Given tweeted a not watching the show tonight because it's an emotional one. For me. I felt very much in love with at MTV Nellie, t and still am I doubt they're gonna show how that affected me? But no all feelings that I show tonight. Our flesh of the love I have for him. Like actual love. When someone says I felt very much in love with someone. It's not like I have mad love for them. Well, I don't know. Flukey said definite like actually was truly like in love with him. Mean isn't definite? I don't know. I just read the tweets interesting. Was there a follow up on a lie detector follow? Here's what I can tell you. There was no follow up chained in our champs owed. He did tweet something today. That was like just because I love you doesn't mean I can't other people or something like that. I don't know. She's got some men in his life. So I'm reading into that. I don't think that's related, but I sort of like, oh, if you're Shane's boyfriend, that's gotta hurt. But maybe they're open. Who cares? Not. Who cares? That's not my business. Yeah. The only thing more happened clearly that we did not see the did not make air. And I don't know if Shane like knew what was going to be aired. I think he clearly thought more would come of it than did you only thing. I can even think he's talking about. Which is what we skipped is when Shane's like on the verge of a psychological break, they need you to support me in Nelson's like, okay? Like, I have you and chains like on your girlfriend boyfriend, and now I can open up feel how I haven't felt in a long time, right? I don't know. I said that's a lie knee like, it's fine. But like, I if I hadn't seen this tweet before I watched the show, I wouldn't have been like, oh my God chain. So clearly in love with Belsen bureaus, I'll I'll ship them that could be fun. Which is come up before we ask that last week or two weeks ago because they've always had this rubbing bit in the edit on the show that they're like in love, but I feel bad for Shane if he has this like unrequited love like Nelson charge is not interested in those. But it I magic unrequited and letters. Opera, Shane so. He's not dead. For whatever shaves hope for Nelson. Imagine falling in love with Nelson. Maybe the meanest thing I could ever. Like, oh my God. I'm in love with Nelson. A lot of people people are there's a liver. Everybody, you know, there is there is. Keighley's catch. I mean, she sucks, but she's a catch. So you know, he doesn't care about these. That's perfect together. Belsen? That's the thing when I'm so always out of the loop on the gossip I'm mad loop this because somebody was like somebody tweeted Donaldson. We appreciate it. But it was in the tone of like, I can't believe you guys didn't know this. Then we've found out how they knew it was something like. Oh, well, like, they're rumors. They're gonna be on like ex on the beach. And then after that they were like Dana. And I'm like, okay. Well, if it's like three seasons away from mattering. I don't need to know that. Excellent beach and Maxine I'm gonna watch excited. My guess is December fourth immediately following the challenger. Nice Christmas present a little Christmas tree. I know that I'm being like. Christian normative by saying that, but it really does feel more like a Christmas present than holiday ex on the beach stocking suffered. What else? That's it. That's it. You wanna stretch for fifteen? Happen on the make sure you know Twitter beats. Now, everybody's on vacation. That's true. Well, -cation filming season. Oh boy. I didn't look at this second because I have time before people come for the spook tax arrivers patacula. People who are tweeting not on the season. Like can we can like I forget the spoilers we too now. Whenever follow. Okay. If you don't hear about this. Just to. So so is like Tony on the season. Was he? This is how little I always pay attention like it goes in. We're out of here. What about the other potential? Let's I don't think. So. No, I just don't remember like I'm saying, I'm asking you don't think so. But I. This thing you look looking up some reason they're Tony's out there. Interesting also have people shames tweeting chains out there. I don't think so. Because I don't think that paulie and car writing recaps anymore. I apologize straight was supposed to be on it that. I remember. So it is very weird to me that clearly have to have permission from MTV to be reading these recaps. Because like usually shows are like very intense about you giving Mitch my guess is that an MTV person reads these recaps before they get put up or after apparently that red rope thing that we cover hot off the press for Karas got taken out later. So if they're not reading them that they definitely have some regulations on this. It is very strange to me that they didn't get episodes early to like pre right there recap. So that they would be posted throughout the season like to just inexplicably stop hosting these weekly. Recaps are major major, quote, unquote, entertainment, like news outlets is so strange the link is currently down. So I don't know what that means. But. Just when you need them like so Marie still writing benches marine Bali off the grid. No explanation. I think that's bizarre don't want. It. Just makes no sense. Why they would not want figures on a season available to tweet and talk about the show while it's on like you can't this is why wait a little bit for new season. Let this season end then gosar, filming on the wall. From your mouth to God's em. Here's so. When we're this is earlier or this is later than it has been right. Wasn't this season already filmed with Massey's aired? Good question. I don't know. Go back something insane. Like, I feel this is like a little bit of time line. The film two seasons. Like almost back to back. So there's that. So there you go. All right. Next week. We're like rich twenty four levels. We're in like, the we're gonna hit what twenty twenty two maybe their union. I don't know how to do math. So like twenty. Eighteen nineteen twenty twenty one be twenty two if they don't skip thanksgiving. I feel like we've done twenty two or twenty three now. Well, this was seventeen. Right. So next week. We'll be eighteen nineteen we've already done it. I feel like we did it before. I'm blocking this season. Now, I'm gonna keep you on. Season. They don't we need can I to the people who edit the Wikipedia tunnel like. It was just called scandal which mega Lisbeth semi the tweet early of Shane's love and was like episodes called scandal. But it was it was not even about that ended up being about Nelson. Whoever natalie. Okay. Yeah. So the last we when you believe me if I told you that the last season was only fourteen episodes. Yeah. I believe you. I did we not complain. I mean, I feel like we've been complaining forever about how long this season is. I don't think so. All right. And then seventeen episodes of season before that. I'm just in violence face. I'm like twenty nothing. Really shakily. Play. Next week. One. Twitter. Loves me. Loves me. Not hey, Rebecca what you doing? I just wanted to see if my love for Dunkin's, pumpkin. Iced coffee is usual. Loves me. I'm so happy for you. Guys jealous. Fall in love with fall flavors at Dunkin with any size to other iced coffee from two to six PM. Try any of our delicious flavors like maple pecan or pumpkin America runs on Dunkin. Dissipation may vary. Limited time offer.

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Law & Order: Sports Retailers Unit

MarketFoolery

21:15 min | 1 year ago

Law & Order: Sports Retailers Unit

"It's Monday November fourth walk into market flurry. I'm Chris L. Joining me in studio today the one MC Jason Nelson thanks for being here thank you for having the news ferry showed up over the weekend did you with our trading messages on Sunday McDonald's it has a new CEO Berkshire hathaway a record amount of cash. We're not GONNA start there we're going to start here the US Department of Justice that's that's always good news anytime you're a publicly traded company the US Department of Justice has teamed up with the Securities and Exchange Commission to investigate under armour's accounting doc practices at issue is whether under armor moved sales from quarter to quarter to appear healthier than the company actually is this is a criminal investigation and shares of under armor are down fifteen percent this morning I'm a little surprised they're not done more well not that it was trading got some sky high though I'm just going to say it's it's it's been not that great of time for underarm anyway I think the funniest part if you could say there's a funny part hard about this but it did strike me and if there's any veracity these allegations whatsoever I mean they were doing this doing this to make their financials look better in in I mean like why not just go all out because we could argue and I think you and I would probably fall on the same side of this argument their financials don't look so hot right now as it is and if these are are somewhat manufactured then you have to start asking yourself I mean I if there's really a problem here then why didn't they really just go the whole hog as they say in and just just do it up right to that point let's let's acknowledge okay they management under armor management believes and they said the word firmly okay they do believe firmly only they've done nothing inappropriate and that's what that's what they said the call this morning there's an investigation that's been going on for two and a half years which I I I still not quite sure what what takes so long but you know I mean who knows I mean the lengthy investigation makes me wonder a little bit if this is something that that if if this is something that they did if they are are seen to have done something inappropriate I mean this is not fatal to to the business but it is just one more problem that they have to deal with at a time when they really don't need any more problems by the way they also issued their third quarter report which came in better than expected both in terms of profit and revenue and nobody cares no no nor show nor should they because how can we trust them right I mean are those numbers that they're throwing out there are they a figment of our imagination or are they real so you and I had the the same thought because once I started to read more about this story it reminded me of years ago when there was a steroid scandal in major league baseball and a list came out of players who either admitted or you know it was provable that they were using zing steroids and there were some players on that list who were big guys who were hitting lots of home runs or anything but there were also a few names on that list that we're kind of like under armour it's like a small second baseman who was batting two sixty five and had eleven home runs and it's like wait a minute you took steroids to get those numbers like what what would you bend without the stories that was one of the thoughts when I looked at it I was like wait a minute if you're you're actually cooking the books these are the numbers you're coming up with come up with better number now on the one hand as an under armour Michelle holder I like to think that anytime lawyers are involved and they are approving written statements and they are saying things like we firmly believe we did you know that veracity that on the other hand the SEC is involved and the SEC is a regulatory body that is not exactly ackley swimming in money and resources that's a very good so I sort of feel like anytime the SEC is actually significantly involved in an investigation instigation. I'm inclined to believe that at least the people inside that building believe this is worth our time because we don't have a lot of time or money or resources would would figure I mean yeah it's anytime you get the SEC involved with anything I mean you better pack a lunch because it is gonna be it's GonNa be a while and I think that would be to your point two and a half years years does sound like a long time but I mean clearly they think they have something here and so whatever it may have been whatever may have been done I mean hopefully this will we'll get more light shed on this time goes on there was very limited information they could release on the conference call a as as understandable I mean it's an ongoing investigation listen and listen let's make sure I mean we can pile on under armor make fun of and everything and that's fine that's part of our job and we have fun with that this is not unique to them we see companies go goes through these types of investigations often more often than probably we'd like to remember it wasn't all that long ago Mark Health Insurance was under investigation for some reserve issues regarding regarding their cat goes out of the business sounds very small side of the business but it's an investigation nonetheless and that's not been resolved yet either they believe it or not firmly family believed that they did nothing wrong Chris so I mean again I will learn more about this as time goes on I think it's important to recognize this is not something that would be fatal to the business but it is a problem Tom when they don't need it now to go to the actual results for the Korir and I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and trust that the numbers of releasing extent actually the numbers because again they weren't that great to begin with but they could have been they could have been worse I think that four under armor you know they're doing a very good job with this turnaround plan in achieving the goals for the most part that they're trying to achieve she the balance sheet is getting healthier inventory levels are coming down margins are improving but they gotta figure out how to light a fire under those sales numbers because that's really the problem that's the source of the problem if they could figure out how to reaccelerate that sales growth me and we'd be we'd be singing a different tune today I think because right now now this is still I think we're three years into this and they still cannot get those North American sales bag in the right direction fell four percent for this core direct to consumer again not very impressive inventory on the other hand inventories down twenty three twenty three percent in in their case that's a good thing in margins are improving living which means they're getting back to that premium product offering as opposed to really trying to appeal to all of the masses so I think there are signs that they're doing some some good things but man oh man we know what the headlines about today. McDonald's has a new CEO Steve easterbrook is out after four and a half years after admitting to a consensual relationship with an employee Chris can Kinski is the new CEO he's been the president ascended up McDonald's USA for the past couple years and boy this move quickly. I think our chatting a little bit about this this morning I i McDonald's shareholder but it struck me how quickly these announcements came the the combination of easterbrook is out this is why here's the new CEO here's who's going to take chances place and they the board of directors at McDonald's maybe they've been working on this for weeks if not months but they really took care of business in this situation yeah I mean it it didn't it didn't sound like it was something that happened just the snap of a finger because I mean there were board votes involved were attorneys involved and I think they were trying to make this exit as clean as possible without trying to ruin everybody's lives in the process I think the good thing for McDonald's is that Kinski should be able to essentially pick up right where easterbrook left off and he's been there since two thousand fifteen easterbrook has I mean and and I think that for the most part he's he's done a very good job it it reigniting What was the difficult situation there was McDonald's talk about challenges on the top line getting those sales back I in the right direction I mean that was really late that was really a big problem of McDonald's bag in two thousand fifteen two thousand fourteen Don Thompson who is the CEO before Easterbrook and he had been the Coo Joe Thought he was the guy for the job and he didn't really have a solution there but this this easterbrook North Star was that phrase he always uttered Progressive Modern Burger Company? You know what I mean in that kind of brought McDonald's it seems like in into this new century with a little bit of a different brand awareness right I mean it was no longer just as fast food burger place but a place where they offered a lot a lot of other things and and you look at the way the numbers have have have worked out for them I mean this past quarter they just reported US calms up four point eight percent now traffic ethic is still a bit of a problem but by the same token in the face of traffic they still brought those four point eight percent cops which means they're realizing a little bit of something on the pricing side I and continue to innovate on the menu side as well so you know this is this is a tough personal thing I mean I you know Oh that's he did what he did it was something that was clearly against company policy I admire the company for taking a stance that they take your he seems like he's in agreement with for the most part as well it's always difficult to really understand exactly what went on here but it you know it is what it is I guess yeah it's going to be interesting to see what if any additional details come out out about this because on the surface this look this may have been as simple as you're the CEO and therefore for every employee at this company reports up to you so our relationship consensual a consensual relationship with any employee is against our policies and that's that it may it may be as simple as that it does not to this point anyway it doesn't appear to be what we saw a few years back with the HP with mark heard word where there was a relationship with a contractor and there were there was money involved where where he was paying for her to go to different events and that sort of thing so there were there were corporate dollars involved as well heard resurfaced at Oracle and you know so it'll be interesting to see where Stevie because from here he has a non compete very smart board of directors they I just stopped reading the non compete because it was basically a list of every restaurant in America that has more than one but it'll be interesting to see in a couple of years if he does reserve resurface at another business because to your point it's interesting because you said Kempinski has you know he's got the blueprint sprint and I agree with you in some ways the new CEO has it easy because he's got this blueprint he can follow and he appears to be his early communications to the McDonald's employees he's was essentially no no we're on a path I'm gonNA follow that path I'm not looking to do anything new from the standpoint of the stock I think it's tougher for him I think I think it was the reverse for Easterbrook easterbrook had an easy because underdown Thomson this was a stagnant business and a very stagnant stock so easterbrook was able to come in she spent a few months sort of listening talking I can do a lot of different people and then going from there the stock up more

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Burying Drugs in Las Vegas

VIEWS with David Dobrik and Jason Nash

36:58 min | 10 months ago

Burying Drugs in Las Vegas

"Jay The new year's is upon us which resolutions you conquer twenty twenty. I sleep through the night not get up and eat cereal perfect because we have the sleep number three sixty sparked by that helps everyone gets improving. Quality Sleep worked out with change their life. You can use sleep. IQ APP to help create routine individual technology at a sleep. Number store encouraged to visit a sleep number store to explore the science behind the bad. Discover Comfort for you and your partner. Visually see your body's pressure points. React to sleep number three sixty smart bad I sleep. Number's incredible if you're having any time sleeping. That's that's this is one hundred percent of the way to go. And it's proven quality sleep discover proven quality sleep with the sleep number three sixty smart bed. You could save a thousand dollars dollars on Queen's special edition smart but now seventeen hundred and ninety nine dollars during the January sale sale said sal only at a sleep number store or sleepnumber dot com slash cadence C. A. D. ENC sleepnumber dot com slash cadence. What's up to the US? The podcast asked where we're actually recording this one straight from my bed year year. Uh My right eye guys. How you doing Marsha taking a blanket? Don't want to let you know what's going on underneath some cozy VI- pros and Jason's on the opposite side. Totally creeped out. He's in the corner all alone. Uh I always get scared when Jason have you thought about. Have you ever thought about like sitting on a curb and then going to sit on your bed. How discussing that is When when when we were sitting on a curb regrets yeah like I have like I used to go outside? He's like sit on curbs drink Arizona tea and then I would go home and lay in bed. How disgusting estimate that like? I'd sit on the curb at seven. Eleven everything's on my ass and then I'd go straight plop on the bed. I Dunno it's GonNa discussing kind of a weird intro to start off this whole thing but the story don't sit on curbs. Yeah they said. Last night she goes she goes. Did you like two thousand Seventeen Natalie. Better two thousand or two thousand twenty natalie in two thousand Seventeen Natalie referred herself in the fucking third person is the best way to describe twenty twenty Natalie. The third person what do you mean. What was the context was talking about our new assistant Taylor and how it's so funny on people come into the group when they first come in and they're very shy timid and then like after some time they open up and like you can really send someone's personality so Jay talking about me in that sense and I was like yeah well in two thousand seventeen seventeen? I just sat in the corner and like wanted to cry every day because no one would talk to me and I felt so awkward and try. It's not true. I talk to you so much literally went out of my way to make. The Senate is the nicest one this other people not nice to you. Yeah this guy in here who she's talking about you. Oh Shit yeah well. That's that's good. I'm glad you feel more comfortable. I like twenty twenty nine leeway better I mean I like twenty seventeen ninety two if she wants relate both now thirteen madly when we're junior in high school. That was my favorite cowboy went downhill from there. I'm kidding I'm kidding. Well it was so it was so great about what happens. Prettiest Antonio Honestly feel. David really thinks that school uh-huh given this some thought. Because you talk about it a lot you said that you were radio in two thousand thirteen as as opposed to know when you when you joke and you'll probably when everyone jokes. There's a little bit of truth behind Joe always talks about. How like Nice Cool? You were hot chip and now it's like today. I had I had. I had my first like official photo. Shoot so exciting. Oh yeah that was interesting. I'm not allowed to talk about What is La thing? It's a Hollywood. We were big to say you did something and I'm just backtracking go. Well actually can't tell you anything about but I did a photo shoot it was it was for somebody and it. It was like a proper photo. Shoot like I dressed up at shit fashion. And it's interesting when you when you saw the clothes on you you're like wow. He looks ridiculous but then when you see the photos you're like okay with the light and stuff. It looks good I I I had actually changed into an outfit fit. That wasn't like a black shirt was pretty terrifying because it was like super comforts even like getting like makeup done when you walked out. I thought it was a prank. Oh Yeah Yeah I was like Oh this is a prank. Like what would be the payoff of Brain Jason. I thought it was their version of a prank. Like we're GONNA make him look so and they were like. Oh ooh this is it. This is Jason came to see the photo shoot and they had him like in the lobby area and I was coming out to surprise him with the outfit I was wearing and I walked out and there was dead silence. Yeah I remember you guys are just completely choir. Yeah what happened. I all I could see. Was this giant yellow fireman's jacket oversize fireman's shirt jacket with spoil the art. We have coming but but when I saw the pictures look really okay. You excited you know the photographer that we shot with fucking insanely God. It was very bizarre. Very good he was great But Yeah I and then Carlini and I went to the women's shelter after okay. We we just drove down. I don't know man. No let's go downtown like like twenty more twenty times. The homeless people were there yet. It's so depressing. You go downtown like you can go down. Yeah there's like an entire neighborhood. Twenty blocks of just tense. Yeah they have a market called skid row market market. Oh really yeah it's called everything's cheaper. I didn't go in but I don't think anything's cheaper. Maybe maybe things are well priced. I don't know it's like an entire town of just Lilia just is homeless people like the entire. It's a different world. It's really really scary to see. Have you ever been somewhere in You WanNa go and then and then they go okay now it can open it up to questions and then the people start asking the questions and then you're like got fucking stop asking questions. I WANNA WANNA go. No what do you mean. I was at some school last night and we were taking. The tour was like really long. It's like more and raise your hand. She asked questions yes. There's a bus week week guests that you can take a fucking bus clearly. Somebody like wanting to hear themselves talk. They basically raising their hand. And saying I've been alone with myself all day so this is going to be my opportunity to talk a a lot though. I know what you mean. Oh my God I hate when people ask questions when you're in school. Did the teacher ever explained to you like field trip and you never paid attention because you knew it was just completely really pointless than the other kids. Were doing follow everybody. Oh yeah all the time like. Do you know what I mean like. Do you know what's pointless is like the beginning the first day of school and they give you like your syllabus and they talk about the year that is the most boring thing in school. You possibly do because you don't even pay attention because you don't need debate ancho notes for sure the best a and I would hate if they took it away. One time I was in science class and I asked they go. Hey what happens when you eat cereal. This woman her name was Ms Kepala. She was a real bitch in the first school. What happens with this? How does the serial separate from the milk? Sure you know what I mean. She and she goes Dory. We're going to learn that like that and I waited all year and we never ever learned it on the last day when after I go. So what happens with the cereal in the milk and she was like What oh I don't know you have to look it up like that? I I thought it was a pretty good question. Well that is a good question. You're saying what Tube does what. Yeah how does it separate. I guess you're right. I mean I is it like a straighter. He does have a good point. Like does the Ciro No. Oh you don't think so like no because when you when you take a spoonful of cereal milk you choose this area up a little bit. Yeah and it all goes down the food pipe. That's right great okay. But then the milk is just fully liquid so it has great five is going to go down guys all your stomach. I'm very confused. Pin Ryan poop or. Do you have just one everything. Yeah do you just have one thing that's shoots out everything. Oh sorry how does it split. How does it decides liquids? There's a serial go I'm going to go down the PUPAE. That's not the way that's not. It's not because you're eating food that's what. Up or shit out. It's it's just a matter of what your intestines Heston's are are like absorbing kind of bouncing around you guys have no idea what you're talking about and I'm the only intelligent definitely. I've been worrying worrying about this since their grade. Correct someone get pretty straightforward answer. Yeah of course we should cut the PODCAST. I'm always I'm always talking to Jason About Like we're always like looking for stories on the podcast and he's always like I'm out of ideas. Motivation is new stories and the other day we were in Vegas just having dinner and fucking out of nowhere he goes he goes. You know I buried cocaine gain here wants and got it the next morning and what the fun. Why are you not telling me stories on the PODCAST? Like how do you still have stories now. I got a year later Watson better yet what do you mean. I don't know I was in Vegas and I had all this cocaine I don't know like I was with a lot of people and they all flew out And I was left with like all the cocaine and I was like. How much would you see? How much like what was the ball? Okay which is how much which is like enough for every one hundred dollars. Yeah yeah yeah well two hundred dollars. If you're going to put it in a cup like how much would it be. An eight ball is like that'd be enough for like twenty people have a good night. They think you're very generous. Okay okay so then you. You didn't want to go out and also I also when I did cocaine I wouldn't do a lot of it. Yeah I would only do like three lines of I'm just letting you know wasn't like coke themed but already saying three lines to some people is already like Jesus fucking phthalic half alive regardless cocaine back. Good that the point is I wouldn't sit there and auden tire eight ball and a night. Okay no one even knows what everyone knows people know. What fucking cocaine is okay? I don't know always listening. And say what their kids to so we got to play it down. Yeah so anyways I don't know and then at the time I was like well I'm not gonNA throw it all his cocaine. It's really good. You know it wasn't gonNA fly with it. Sure sure so I was like I was like. Oh I'll just I'll bury it. I was at the hard rock because I walked across the street and I started walking for a while and then I saw a hotel that was like a motel. It was no longer longer in operation and I just find dug a hole with your hands on my hands. I put it in the rocks and then you say you weren't a coke machine. Sounds like it sounds pretty. I don't think that's a coke fan. I was like I don't want I'm going to be back in Vegas. Maybe I'll be back. I'll honestly like a more than a year later. I went back and I was like hanging out and I was like. Oh Oh shit that cocaine. I wonder if it's there get the fuck out of. Yeah there's no one hundred percent I swear on your sexy Eddie David. Thank you and on your photo shoots fancy magazines. I one hundred percent did this and that and that was it and then I went over there and I was like I took a cab over there and I was like now now where. There's no way it's still here. And then I just went and dug up the whole owner does it and then I got back to my friends Maroon Coke and I was. It's like I have some. Did you tell them that. From a year ago I did. I told them but I didn't WanNa tell them before they can get their hopes up because I was like. There's no way it's there so they were all went to breakfast and I was like I'm GonNa take take a ride and then I'll I'll make their day if I bring it back. Is the wrong question when talking about cocaine but is it healthy to do good for you actually like a lot of people say it's not it's wonderful. Oh having clarity. Is it okay to do cocaine from a year ago. I was thinking like it didn't like yeah impose in like chemicals. Break this not okay to cocaine to begin with this is really good. Wow that's crazy as I really pure more stories like this they you just been hiding. I have a ton on but I want this podcast to run fifteen years so I have to wait a little bit. Hey you know what people come up to me in Boston. Someone to me is what I hate and I love meeting vans. I really do sure it's it really makes my life. Yeah I it makes me feel so good someone and I'm important as me and this is only happened a couple of times. She something she goes. Hey I know I'm supposed to be mean to you like that and I was like why sure she's like. I know I'm supposed to be really. You mean but I just want to say I love videos and that was like why do you have to be. Why are you supposed to be mean tuning fun? That was odd. Yeah that is different. Frank I'm sorry that you connors like that now. It's okay like every week you open at noon. 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You'll love that's better help dot com slash views. We went to the the reason we were in Vegas as for the in. The first place was Because we went Our Buddy Jeff like we were brainstorming blog ideas and late at night he goes. I'm GonNa go put twenty K.. On a collar and I was like okay. That's great that's great like I've never seen any of my friends do it. It's always my money so this is a great idea so the next morning I invited him over and I was like. Let's go do the Vegas thing. And he's like faulk. I thought you would forget by now. I don't WanNa do it but but then after talking to a little bit I convinced him. It'd be a fun idea. So we got on a flight with me Jason Natalie and Todd Yeah. We flew over thirty four thirty five. We flew over to Vegas. Thank you for giving the specific Susan for this specific Saturday in the picture the sun was setting as we were taking. You need to know so he landed. Because we're supposed to be back on the eight thirty. Yeah we're supposed to be back on the eight thirty cents a short vegas trip So we get there. The casino gives us the fucking hardest time about giving them giving him the money. I we need players car at least wherever needed before that. We gotTA send this line to make the players. It's taking forever. It's it took us about an hour before we could even play tied and I get in line and when we get up there they go. You guys have players cards. We're like what. Yeah every every time every time we gamble we unanimously decided on a color. And it's never like a debate ever and this time it was black so so we put twenty K.. On black and we fucking one. That was it we want. We were really excited about it. We couldn't believe it and then we went to go cash it and there's a problem caching it. She was just confused about. She was just slow. He's GonNa help us very very slow person at the front desk. Whatever cashing the money? So then we got at the money and we just fucking sprinted like to the airport because we this is the eight thirty flight was the last flight out that had seats available that we could fly back to La and we needed. We needed to be back. That night. because we had a shoot early in the morning and then We missed the fucking fight. We really missed it by like five minutes So as we're leaving the airport an idea as we're leaving we're walking out of the airport this couple walks by with and they're they're fully decked out in red and there have they have these coffee mugs in their hand with the Little Red Lid on top of the coffee mugs. And I I have an idea. Let's go back to the casino. We put ten K on red and if we win we'll get a private jet. Take us back to away to make it home tonight and we went back and we put ten Conrad and surprisingly we won and we got to fly back that day. That was one of the craziest Vegas experiences gone about six times and we haven't lost. I don't know what it is. We've and Bet Ten grand twice twenty grand twice and Tanglin another time and we never we never end up losing every list and every time. I'm like okay. I'm never going back because I don't WanNA anti lock but this time I I'm done I'm done going to vegas because because I can't I'm very happy with how electron I don't WanNa fuck induce them even on the first spin the ball. It landed in red and we all watched it and then at the last second it just jumped out in black. The second time it came back to the Casino to put ten down for the a private jet. Jeff was like super cocky and was like yeah. We're getting free fucking money here talking to like the the guys that were running the tables and stuff and you could tell if they were not digging it and we want again and just to see the reactions pippas had a really stern look on his face. Because I don't know who said it but someone said we're going own a private jet. I got buried in the backyard twice this week that this is an entertaining story. David had a David had a good idea which was bury me in the backyard and then hide my head and then scare people now. This is not two thousand seventeen. Jason This is two thousand twenty Jason. Yeah whose body is really decrepit at this point so about fifty five minutes they can give you the fuck out of you and like screaming like screaming like he's been buried alive for like three days. Hang on and he was foaming at the mouth and you screaming foaming foam. Yes yes you are you funk you will you get in the whole the whole right now. I'll leave you there for an hour and fifteen minutes soccer coach. His team was losing fucking foam. Fom All around your mouth and he was screaming so loud. That my neighbor who I haven't seen in twelve months didn't even think lived next door to me. came out to see what was wrong and I was like. It's fine. We are just digging my friend up and then yeah and then we pull them out. He showered his own. pull me out and I couldn't feel my legs. Look they were blue just pulled out a corpse. I literally my legs were blue. Jason was fully like just white like a little looks like we got it that guy and we just yanked him out. Yeah and I gotta say I had a really had a real moment with you where once you finish the prank. I was like really hurting and then David us. I'm GonNa give you a compliment. David go on his hands and knees and he started literally digging digging me out with his hands and I was very very touched by. Yeah Bro Yeah I was. I thought that was really good and then when I came out even though I couldn't feel my legs I had like a new lease on in life but then the next day we were sitting here. David didn't get a thumbnail or an instagram photo. Dave Barry like okay you got to get back in the whole with take the hall again. TV fucks you get when you were screaming so badly. I was scared and I was like. Oh yeah I I guess I was working on now and then So recently a couple of days after that we got the film with Justin Bieber which is great. That's that's pretty insane. The Tacoma Justin Bieber. 'cause I I told I told you about the story. I'm about how in high school there are. These like like these kids are older than me and they used to make fun of me for having having a Justin bieber haircut and they used to call me Bieber. I told him that story. I asked him if he'd fly if you fly back to Chicago to kick their ass but he says he's busy because he's got his album coming out but I know that I know that he's definitely he's definitely worried about me and help me out in the future. Nobody he's he's like the nicest nicest kid oh you will ever meet and it was so crazy. 'cause we did a bit where where he hid in the back of my Tesla and we would surprise people. It's cool like when I get to surprise. People like a lot of people's reactions are like a lot of fun reactions. Berg get really excited but with Justin like there was one girl particular who like who was the biggest Justin Bieber superfan like five years ago like like when she was growing up like she's in college now but when she was little like that's all she would listen to and like when she saw him. It was like a part her like like memory that you didn't even know she had just opened up. It's just fucking started sobbing and like Justin was holding her and I really felt like I was like third wheeling like I felt like they were having the second intense moment and I was like. I don't even know what I'm doing sitting here. I feel like I'm like ruining ms but it was just so interesting. Spit on me. Fans start crying it just so cool so cool to see just as fans because just as a singer so so many people have like people have emotional connections to songs so it's really cool to see like their reaction to to this guy who made some of the best songs that they grew up listening to the whole thing was so great and he's and he's the such a sweet guy I can't I can't literally I it's like he doesn't even know how to be mean like if I just be mean he wouldn't even know how to do it size But I will say this this part really fucking really really bothered me. It was We pulled up to his house and it was like and it's like an it's literally an army security going. Yes I'd like five. I couldn't see how many because there's like three security cars. I don't know how many security guards were actually. It was like it was like a heavily guarded. How Hey hey nice house nice yeah? I think he's doing fine. I would think so. Yeah doesn't really nice. Yea Yea Google and then down. The street was align of like four or five cars and it was all Paparazzi gross and they were awful they sit there and he told me they sit there every day. Just waiting waiting to see what happens just waiting for him to leave his house and then and then when I when I picked him up and we went to the UCLA area they followed us to the Ucla area. Which doesn't bother me because it never happened to me but like that's fucking crazy? Yeah that happened to you everyday. That like people like like I would talk to my parents and I'd be like I specifically talk about Justin Bieber and it'd be I don't see what the problem is about like potsy like. He has so much money like well. Let's who cares Paparazzi. Take pictures of them. No but when you see like I didn't understand it as a kid but when you see it in person but there's fucking all these random strangers trying to document every every single moment is sound of the clicking. I imagined when he goes to sleep he must here that that. I don't know it's it was. It was a mindblowing. mindblowing end blowing. They're they're just on a different level of fame. I felt I felt so so bad. Sounds bad it's about is. Hey you have to look at it to like. It's like he he is he's like really gifted he has a gift. Sure he makes millions and millions and millions and millions of people. Happy way beyond your level I mean I i. It's like it's like a so. It's almost like that's his. He's so much better than you. You'll never nothing that's his that's his. That's his gift. And that's make people happy in that part of it definitely sucks but hopefully he can get other good things out of his wife's Pretty Goddamn. This is why we didn't you Jason. Jason was Jason. It wasn't GonNa Fuck Insane. Oh my guys think that I'm GonNa fuck things up with Justin No. No that's how I suppose Shit I just thought no no. We're we're trying originally Jason. Jason was gonNA come but then he didn't come to because things change whatever jason originally and he was on his on the phone with his real estate agent because he Miam- not dangerous indraught. You guys are no. It's actually the opposite. You guys are so into celebrity and such star fuckers that if I'm late I told her I'm really close. Plus they go. Oh Yeah I go there. There's something Justin Bieber that's why I cancelled in other words like I said I told her. No no you gotTA. You're you're meeting with Justin Bieber. Ask At that point. We were going to shoot with Justin. I know we were but it's just like why throw that in why why does because it's a valid excuse for Karen. That's something that Karen would be like. Oh okay it's not every day you fucking get to shoot with the amazing Justin Bieber. So that's why is it was real estate agent who I'm like really close with and she wanted to bring me some owns to thank me for buying the house. 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No it's no. It's not the pain. It's literally just having walking around so I went to Mike my club. You know the old man club and I go to win swim at night and I'm GonNa pop out and then I was in the shower completely naked in it pops in my head. I'm like fuck. He's in here. Now there's no I know you're not going to go in there suit me but then again I would you might. I would be the best place to get you like in the gym shower. Yeah I know that's what I thought so then I was like and then I'm walking out completely nude just wet looking around at lockers. Then I I go to my car I have to look in the back seat and it's awful. Yeah I don't like it at all then I get to my house and it's dark out and I'm sitting in my car and I'm sitting there for like ten minutes and I'm checking your location where your car is. Because I have have your location. Charlie comes to the door and she sees my car. She's like Daddy. What are you doing? Charlie go outside coincide picking a fucking life then. My Mom's like he's not here he's not here. Come in and then so I am soon as I walk in the house like. Oh He's not here she's like but then again unhappy in the basement. Living your life a paranoia did this I B basically this thing. I'm going to spoil it but I did this thing where I paid my friends that that I will shoot him with a paintball gun and anytime in the next couple of days and people got so paranoid that I just called it off because like Jeff would like jeff avoiding hanging out with with me. I saw him at the bar. We were at the bar and he was. He really patted me down when he saw me and then like to see a gun on me and then as he was leaving as we were walking walking tour our cars he liked quickly ran his car unlocked. It and drove away rather than waiting for me to go to my car because he touted pull out a gun so I called off the whole fucking game because everyone was so oh paranoid us in a shooting with a vampire also always wearing double layered clothes. Oh yeah higher night and it was so hot Jason came over. Where are you sweating like? I have seven layers. Are we talking about people's names the other day. We're alley broncos something about people's names. It was easy as you said it. I was like okay. I was just thinking about how everyone in our friend group with their name associating for them or just some people in general todd is such like a todd like his his name suits see ten minutes personality and Jeff Jeff Jeff. That's Jeff that's a sexy guy. Natalie makes sense Natalie. The only person that doesn't make sense as you Jason's sends a super cool man. Get when you when you hear Jason you go fuck. Yeah that support your. Where's Jason? Where's this dude? When I think of Jason I think of like kind of like a slimy Richie's Bali kind of thing like really cheesy person named Jason Nelson Jason? Jason State them like Jason's cool fucking name your your your name that would walter ordinary or mort more towards more. It would be really good kind of like a more. I can see that even Chunky Chunky but I could also see Natalie being named like Gwen. No she was. He's going to amber. If anything an amber amber a squirrel pitches and I have a question. Why does your Dima always take off time and do things the most inconvenient times possible? Natalie's complaining about other people taking vacations That's ironic yeah. I don't take days in Mexico for three hundred thousand shoes. It just misses me so much when Natalie saying is that Dima is gone right now and we were all just gone for the holidays and then a week after the holidays. His Dima advocation kind of doesn't make sense I was like. Why are you GonNa Right now like you? Everyone was just gone for the holidays but Dima does run on different time than us he has vacation time. There are a lot different than the rest of US yeah. His Halloween is in July at at the beach or as comes dressed as Batman Golden Globes after party on just about. I'm just about got to sink my teeth into some Ridi- I was so excited to talk. What are you doing you put that down? No eating Komo fucking eating what. Why did we come ABC? Enjoy something that sound like. That was so scare you to do that. You put that fucking down put down. Put the put the fucking food down and I was like why didn't do anything and then I go and then I go. I didn't do anything in couldn't do anything. It was just like rushed chaos. We were at the after party. Started eight thirty. It was eight thirty when we left the house. We already a little bit behind David doing leaving earlier. Like we're supposed to be there earlier Voller Okay on. Everyone's show you fucked up as you were. The one that was late I was here. You're ready to go. We had four after parties to go to and I wanted to make sure we would get all of them. I was the guy that was leading our chaperoning. The group weren't chaperoning. You're dictating in. There is like they don't want to take charge. You GotTa do is like come on. We gotta go. Let's go lost you for a while and I couldn't find you found the food station. Of course the of course the food station is that what you're going to say four. Everyone's everyone's a big fat pig when they're eating but when you eat it's gooch dubbed eat. It stopped the world world. You eat just as much. I quick quick which isn't good. Make you better quality of life at all the equality life. I'm just saying I get it done quicker. Living Your Life in constant angst in stress is not healthy. When you kick me out of the Justin Bieber shoot you know what happened to me? Are My entire body healed I. I felt so great and my leg didn't hurt that day or anything you want to pursue. Yes you did. I saw you kick me out Jason. Maybe we know that we didn't care anyway. I was glad I had. I had to get a lot done I had to go. Where does Utah Care? What did you take? UH-HUH I walked in. I walked in and she was having coffee with my mom and I was like fucking kick me out real estate agent to. That's not happening. It's just another day another day. They chose Carleen Aaron over me and they're like Oh that's okay. Well now you can sit with us and I was like yeah. I guess I went to club the other night. And it's because this guy. This guy invites us to go to clubs. He's always like please come. Please come on. I'm like Yeah Okay Fine LaSalle bye bye Cher. So we stopped by. He's a promoter. And there's a there's a woman that was working the door and I know I know like the higher ups at this at this bar but there's not working there that that day So this woman's working I've never met her before. And the skies trying to give send and she's like not budging. He goes through youtubers evitable on he likes. Talks about that hate as But he said it and all I hear is really good feet away and all I hear is her go. The the woman go. I don't give a fuck about youtubers Tom. You'll get a real fucking job. That's fucking crazy. It didn't and you get in any way just laughed I left. I've just that was like the those like the most disrespectful thing I've ever heard of a real fucking job. What planet on it are you on working hostess standard? Like what makes you more significant than somebody else was in say. I would never ever talk about anybody anybody in that way. It doesn't it doesn't compute. It doesn't make any sense to me. She she just has a poor definition of what it is. I think it's very easy easy job but not for some people it is no matter what what the job is. I couldn't even name a job. That's pointless but but whatever Oh you do go get a real job percent. Does that mean go. Go off this one. This one year. Right Amy that works so I've decided I'm not gonna say her name or the name of the club because I'm above that I'm above that but I did get her name name because I pray to God. There is an instance in five years where she applies for a job with me. And you'll get a real fucking it. Happy Sweet I have her name what you thought in the shower later that night. No real job you know. I wrote her name down and everything you did. Yeah like No. She's like like like you. It's not it's not but you should have been. Yeah you should see how nasty this this that's all. I heard like imagine what else she said that I didn't hear. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah asks us very nasty and yes. I'll get her back literature future guys. We work hard. I was fucking buried alive this week. It's not even a by. It's not even about Natalie. It was really shy in two thousand seventeen and now she's a fucking queen to get it. Get it right no. It's not even about how hard we work. It's just. It's just about a person and being like just disrespectful. That's what it has nothing to do with our jobs guys. Well that's all the time we have for today. Thinking views podcasts. 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Zaza Pachulia, The Businessman

Warriors Off-Court

29:54 min | 1 year ago

Zaza Pachulia, The Businessman

"Team officials plus analysis every week on as plus to ward. Hi I'm Susan Schlesser and I'd like to invite you to listen to my podcast as plus it's a fun look at the Oakland A.'s and you can hear the personal side of many of the as players coaches and not your century history class but five minutes long and fun wherever you get your podcasts Friday afternoon Richard Nixon and JFK go toe to toe in televised debates Che Guevara is executed and why are all those old volunteer firemen crying at Coit Tower thereafter joined Golden State as a consultant working in a wide ranging role that has him mentoring young centers attending meetings with team President Rick welts weighing in on corporate sponsorships and much much more during my conversation was aasa he talked about his entrepreneurial ambitions every consultant Zazai Pachulia Zaza who wanted to be titles of the warriors in two thousand seventeen in two thousand eighteen retired from the NBA August short thing that led him to his current opportunity with the warriors. We'll have our conversation right after the break this week on not your century and Kirk can all everybody must be obviously visit coach him info business sizing request different ways first of all time it's amazing way to start your next chapter team I guess he cares check with me legroom thanks for the free agency Canadian so we talked and told me for we consider joining nutrients that and officials business possible side you know Bob Myers and learning from Myers sat down with a truly at the center we opened our conversation by discussing how he came to be a consultant for the warriors that that was my goal honestly I was thinking about it by playing for sixteen years week being on the court right great electronically have all these the retired so you know I definitely would express it ought to play to you know we'll see later I'm thirty five reform yourself you're not thinking about that they would come back to the Daniela's beyond the basketball so you know kirk way coverage shots and checking on me for France of course there was no brainer I knew affidavit more than accommodating something somewhere sponsorship and selling tickets so for me to tell them my experience racing was a lot to have me here so you know Oser those were really meant that lots any for it's not necessarily that run because voice from locker rooms different special electrons different so that's where a sensitive I might be good Sir Brian Brennan Amazing and this is robbing area so Francisco means had learned and beloved fast appreciate it and they made me focus because there's things like you have it you can do a lot lately especially with the warriors I participated some of the Manson was very hard during the season travel so much seve highs and lows thankful for that right but we were so lucky clarence us so sousse value what will be right or wrong and then I'll throw bring us rating basically I remember my first meeting where I I talked to benefit share my my thoughts experience especially the decision I was going to be only if you haven't seen how who's involved in that process we don't know so schools right he went to Harvard Western right was that Kinda just Kinda geeky ready for not only life after basketball but because they could really use you have been doing it I think came from you so basically I'm trying to get and the day those guys trying to this amazing Park Russell that's why to chase in one Elmo we hear about the staff I cannot spend myself Jason Nelson go to go to gradsoflife meetings we should be eighty some basketball stuff on courts the as long as everything's we they bring to us it's radio right bad thought about it wanted to process would be discussed in a lot of minds got a what kind of meetings visit front office meetings yes just kind of fun we was more business I okay like we were chasing her stuff like Rick welts you're listening I can also for you thank you know probably one fee I call myself on this really cool for me to retirement to go there and see and that's office or more take for meets with grades between these two things that also players and management and Elsa now you had your own business endeavors over in Georgia you had arrest a couple of restaurants in Atlanta so was it to help you just Kinda get your feet under this is kind of fellows local guy fellows forever and I felt like you know I'm in Food Guy Yeah I'll go to the restaurants and the reason why chasing on the warriors dry and business sense of themselves and merchandising all the Pr John was Mediterranean slash wine and other one was more bar fruits and lounge so I thought yeah yeah so just just kind of trying to learn ruts through the process and to learn like say she kind of experience that small obviously don't have that you wasn't consistently then I would attend meetings here and there but this is different or state goad br so I'm trying to remember you have a hotel there ray and that your mom and then you have a fitness facility is there anything else is alleyoop things better make better decisions and since then I've been doing that and you've had more success with your businesses Georgia ratliff so you have officer first year is all learning experience and that's why off the cliff into Carson Steve ONA ONA experience much in as possible see business from different angles gutter as much information as possible when she scratches possible across the shoes wearing pretty often in reactive mind telling the story of the brand through my social platforms congressional what happened with that you know I was one of my first semester three yard and I'm across from our record in great job designing the shoes took season and back so much definitely motivating mutual to their classes different classes learn better comfortable investor in it yes I invested in time we are going to come to US market in minutes won't you you obviously I know throughout your career you spend your house he's taking business classes the difference it's a real estate company how's it how's your hotel and your fitness thinner down all of these same brand on the US market And Semester developing companies Georgia's Walsall look you still have your basketball academy and the professional basketball team as well so congrats on Assad that I'm forgetting his name now but yeah I thought it was a cool process and could be ostracized as investors feel like the restaurant kind of restaurant was it so I had to of been prevent success everything else you call by not having experienced not considering involve outside of difficulties in worse case scenario doing this yes that actually this is I'm glad you mentioned restaurant because no one of the motivations for me to his plastic ones because failing when he was playing my school we Kinda was insistent that but I got to meet one of the kids spends one to four your field so somewhere in the middle I would say I decided to open a restaurant uh join ambience enjoy the full jury company war with mathematician the job week he told me of forcing on this Schumer mind does he go my way don't find the right being a couple of years now hotels me most probably and we'd spending tell she also we have three clubs twenty twenty I'll new built this business planning around the best case and then go that way and obviously failed those often the Georgian player who's down by he came through that program right well not necessarily from from the program you've got to know him but until we get food five scholarships in us are from Oregon in total we have more than five full scholarship and that's the main reason why he's got this for that Keith over there too played you're off the court business endeavors while you had a NBA rare and is kind of Nice that you're now that retired I'm guessing you have a little bit more time this is possibly front office little busy search side of business about strong right between some I moved to I moved to watch the bucks and I I sense it was stupid fuelling help you man forward itself as I join you best songs information all of these can only one we always requesting for four from this piece the Greeks every muscle your grades go down you know we green cards and another two million tweet doesn't mean not might not sound a lot but that Georgia Trust I do have I been better grades time give them more free time to to given homework and all we don't WanNA choose to be off R v one college and Blonde girl went to become very on the Basketball Fisher returned to learn how to balance the school how did you manage also he taught me how to approach to the deals how valuable are to prepare for potential we'll also that failed failed failed was one of the best thing happened to me to be honest because you could be worse could be later thank nick with decisions on important todd off leading Rodham Faust on your education as onerous athletic ability in every business I have a partner crowds partnership in any business I'm meanwhile right now Nashville not I didn't pass through your months your behalf it is perhaps even plastic doesn't thirteen I five two of them are boys and three girls well schools are they so they're all over to my junior college and two girls uh-huh and we have more than thousand seats right now UKIAH systems different were he's everyday practice every day process and more rebounds of AIDS also helping me alive because they know what time bell basically and it always helps so so far this is always managed back this these interviews reliance basketball anymore business shero myself by Restaurant Enough practicing obviously for hopefully them to grow I mean we have some valuable values to learn like a teamwork Zeeshan or file opening any business but also same time pick the right partners you know and that way he's going really well thank God you know and that's why that's why motivates me like this one of the reasons why invested in developing company goes or maybe not because around here thanks Christian including on I wanNA helps musical taxis five over there in Georgia or we go through different things and call meetings experienced didn't go as well like not only financially but also partners also we have three parts of the restaurant trust there so now monsters possible and always will wake up early to be honest la too well I wake up at six the system been going too well so I I kind of felt like we can add one thing in mind portfolio great people here when did when did you do that in August conversation started earlier poker Moscow Steve Jobs that they could use you right now because they literally have one center right now Amara Spelman who's not really he's more of a stretch for the center that's really eh this amazing helping these plus so Qantara question on management partners trust but same time involved vis grade whatever I do enjoy them learning so much so many so many great people as slum Asian descent saying education's the key to success for immediate in Vanya doc in any sport because especially basketball game is so fast now sweeping aw those industries are found from something that maybe I didn't know before but I it was very interesting I'm already I love his game so much this is a why we believe real small details and we talked about before even on the core of a small things that's been a helping you succeed or wounded simple keble happy earlier with my career because he will be forced to have legal now or later of real life uh no joke but at the same time it's like somebody yeah just kind of always have a special place in your heart obviously winning to two titles and having that experience but is there something and and you know all the businesses or SONA macy's very important all the businesses that we talked about it you got some you've got insane volumes same business and it's very very important also trust factor as well so since then the estate something I've been taking classes range Christie being a learned a lot satisfied decides bill was Fisher envy the Bob Steel Establishing Yourself showing your personality obviously hold all sixty has been running screens about your experience with the warriors especially that goes beyond just the on court success in what made your tenure with the warriors stand out compared to your other expense lifetime I was why so they really got to that's where I was ahead on the court either flame heart or shown the personality and Komo learned that's why inside to those things and you know even I the that it's fashion landed a professional healthy life and classy no rea- occasionally be pushing a case to get as it's important and I didn't she dancing intimate I gave everything canal every day is why I wanted to stay in his in because I love Wisconsin most for me to play basketball you're willing to say twice so far the song you played on a lot of teams obviously but it seems like the word from you but I think when it joined the warriors was more I was already established where of course I was learning a lot of experience they sent me I did something cool because you great story that Grand Story people were using super motivated in to be true to yourself to authentic and I never tried to pretend all the most I am especially now to get my work team

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Now Watch Me Drip Drip: The Science Of Slower Melting Ice Cream

Wow In the World

22:25 min | 1 year ago

Now Watch Me Drip Drip: The Science Of Slower Melting Ice Cream

"Yeah Yeah Brad. Did you give east. Green Track for rock is called a midsummer night's sleep. Stop Served Mindy. When did you get in the business of selling ice cream? I don't know about an hour ago. See Cairo's a wise old. Owl once told me that the secret to live is to find what you love doing the most and to get paid for it so that I had a throat starting podcast out the window and do the thing I love second most ice cream okay first of all that wise old owl was me and second of all. It looks like you've got your prophets fits tripping all over your face as a responsible business boss lady. I had a test out my product before opening it up to the public. Well let me clean that off for you here. I've got a handkerchief in my pocket. No now let me see your face. Almost all cleaned doc counting. That's the problem with ice cream indie. You've found a problem with ice cream. Well as delicious ice cream can be these warm. Temperatures can melt it faster then we can eat it. Yes the old creamy creamy melty melting conundrum to what boy howdy do. I have some good news for you Guy Roz because there's some new science that says that that's all about to change and what are sticky finger Lickin days will be gone for good. What do you mean I'm talking about a newly discovered recipe for melt resistant ice cream ice cream that will melt in your mouth south but not in your hands derise this could be the biggest scientific breakthrough of the twenty first century well that might be a bit overstating things I mean there was the discovery of stem cells to grow human organs begins and the discovery of water on Mars and back to melt resistant ice cream? Oh right so what's the scoop the scoop this scoop is that these Columbian researchers got together with these scientists his from the University of wealth and Canada and found a secret ingredient that would make ice cream nearly on multiple or at least mountain slow motion. What's the secret ingredient mindy if I told you that it wouldn't be a secret? Secret than would it. When are you able to keep a secret? I am not going to tell you what the secret ingredient. I'm GonNa show you what the secret ingredient is well. What's the difference in the Midsummer Zimmer nights cream truck Ghairat Watch out for the sprinkled party down there on the floor? I had a little accident. Are you sure this thing is safe to ride. Of course. I'm not sure it's safe to ride in Cairo's. Go ahead and strap yourself into that VAT of cookies and cream over there. There are no seats in this ice cream truck. I thought this truck was high. Maintenance funds are burning. My Buds are free Bernie <music>. Oh wait. There's a seat of someone left on the curb over there little buddy cop out and grab it for you but many don't go anywhere. I'll be right back this cherry sitting right here. I'm never taste fresher doing business with you. Guys think very much chop. Maybe I'll run into you again sometime. Sorry I had a fight off a pack of wild world for it. What but it still mostly in one piece? Girls got the SIPPY Cup holder mindy. That's a child car seats now. We're just going to squeeze win there now. You're not going anywhere for the rest of your life. We better not be going too far now. Just a quick drive to South America South America Mindy. What does this have to do with melting ice cream? Nothing what what it has everything to do with ice ice cream not melting so they're ready to go find the secret start up the engine Mindy for science anything I son and Skyros now that wire coathanger hangar over there so I can start this Sabia watch that try to skin. Are we there yet. nope still got aways to are we there yet Cairo's. You'll know when we get there because we'll be there okay. Are we there yet. What are we there yet? A little snag in our travel plans snag well. We've made it all the way to Panama so that's the good news. What's the bad news well? We ran out of highway. We ran out of what this Panamerican Highway in Central America. We've reached the end and now we've hit the DARIEN GAP APP that connects us to South America. I've heard of the Darien gap mindy war almost they're almost to Columbia not so fast Cairo's. The DARIEN gap is a major swath of road list jungle and swamp land it sits rape between us here in Panama and our destination in Columbia South America no roads Nope and you said jungle and swamp Land Yup so I guess we only have one choice left and that's to terrorism. Tourism ice cream truck into hyper drive. Put this ice cream bucket on your head Guy Roger Hold on for your life you want me to mindy. What does any of this have to do with the secret ingredient to belt resistant ice cream theirself dire is this is gonna be it? Did you tried like that movie g. I taught me how to drive monster trucks before I could even of course she did guys you ready to to explore the new science of ice cream that will melt in your mouth not in your hand. You know I almost forgot why we were even on this wild adventure okay first things first. Take a look over there where over there all I see are a bunch of people harvesting bananas. Yeah that's it now. We're going to sneak over there in. You're going to distract them while I grab all of their bananas. I'm not sure I follow look at me. Look me in the eye okay. Eh just going to have to trust me when I tell you that this next part is going to be very very important to our mission. Okay you're ready now. Just tiptoe behind me. When we get close you you do something to distract them and I'll sweep in and snatched the goods okay well if it's trash? Couldn't we just walk up and ask for us. We want to do that Guy Roz. Let's go creep free sleep. Quick now distract. They don't notice me okay. I'm a little teapot. Short out by handle and here is by Outta. Here wasn't finished with my song. I pod aww took our garbage so yeah. What are you ready for your practically doing their job for them? Right there on the jets mindy were running off with their garbage. Trust me no one's trying to catch us. Did you just say garbage Arbib H. U.. Haul all viz darby well. You've got bushels of inedible banana stock so yeah pretty sure that's the definition of garbage then one. If I told told you that these bushels of banana stock garbage helped the secret ingredient to melt resistant ice cream go on well as you can see year bananas grow on plants in places like Colombia South America and none in our neighborhood grocery store please tell me that's not the secret and they grow in bunches on these tree like perennial herbs and looking at these banana plants. I can see that they look sort of like trees. Hey look some of them are almost thirty feet tall and they have pretty sturdy stems but they're not woody like an actual tree you so what about their trunks those aren't actually trunks at all what they're pseudo steps which means that they're made up of leaves packed with really really tightly together and because they're packed so tightly together. That's what makes those. Oh stems hard yup and you mentioned that they're perennial herbs. Yeah so Bruyneel is just a fancy pants way of saying a plant that lives for more than two years and an herb is any plant that makes seeds and doesn't have a woody stem Dan and also dies down to the ground after flowering but a perennial herb will come back to life year after year after year like these banana plants yet or lilies orchids their perennial herbs too so what about all of this banana plant waste that you just snatched away from the harvesters. It looks like they were throwing it away. After plucking the banana bunches from it Oh yeah here this dot is called a racket and once harvesters pick hick the banana bunches they just get rid of it but this is a big but mendy the these researchers had a hunch that maybe just maybe there was more to these banana rackets than just garbage. So what did they do. Well they started to extract or suck out of these rackets these teeny tiny micro fibers or threats threads that have no smell or taste haste and are thousands of times smaller than the width of a human hair. Do these tiny fibers or threads have a name yeah but it's a mouthful okay. We'll try me your called cellulose Nanno vibe rails also or C._n._N.. etfs for short cellulose. Nanno fibrous has a nice ring to it so when they got these fibers out of the plant. What did they do with them? Well sprinkle them on the ice cream. Okay so so maybe it was a little more complicated than that because you know scientists what any who the added Teeny Tiny C._a._N._F.. Fibers in different amounts to scoops of ice cream mix and what did they find they found that with just the right right amount of fibers mixed in at the ice cream lasted longer than the ice cream. We're used to eating and by lasting longer you mean you mean that lasted longer in the freezer without going bad longer in the store and longer in these researchers hands because it wasn't melting like crazy the secret to melt resistant ice cream and that's not all there's more they also discovered that these half fibers from the banana plants helped low fat ice cream have a creamier texture meaning that low fat ice cream can now be as delicious as regular ice cream healthier ice cream. Now you're speaking my language mindy so what's next next step is to be the first to get this melt resistant ice cream onto freezer shelves and into grocery stores all over the world. It's wait. Did you say the first yeah the competition competition is starting to heat up and that could melt some scientists dreams. What do you mean well just last year? These Japanese scientists accidentally stumbled upon a discovery that a certain certain chemicals found in strawberries could also help keep ice cream from melting for hours. Kill now that I think about it I faintly remember reading a study out of Scotland last year where scientists. Bound protein that could help keep ice cream from melting on a hot day as well yeah but you know what I always say bonker balls. I always say why wait for science when you can just do it yourself know Oh what could possibly go wrong him those banana stocks and a straw what I'm going to duck the rack is out of the stock and add it to my own recipe and then make us some melt resistant ice cream right now now. I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. Mindy air goes nothing. Oh boy these look like tiny fibers due bitten into the ice cream that doesn't make gyros waffle cone sugar Cohn or parking Cohn Cohn pinecone keeps on up there okay here you go guy wrong. I call this flavor Banana Kanda now step outside aside the ice cream truck and see if it doesn't melt all over your hands anything for science anything for science anything for science what's happening. Is it appears that your experiment has left me covered in ice cream soup ben wondering I went wrong well. It all started when you rolled up in his falling apart ice cream truck and then drove me through swampy jungles to South America and then speaking of which we should probably had back. I'm losing in Business Down here bananas. We'll get back into the truck before you take off. Oh wait wait wait. The truck won't start. What are we GONNA do frade? There's only one thing we can do. Geyer is loud will be right bat grownups. This message is for you. If your child plays video games for hours on end. 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Game Recap: Raiders win 24-16 over the Broncos

Vegas Nation - Raiders Football

23:37 min | 1 year ago

Game Recap: Raiders win 24-16 over the Broncos

"Say uh-huh because the most loyal fans in the world and I know it hurts that we might not be the Oakland raiders forever but we are still raider nation. I think it's going to be a Uh you'll get an army coming into Las Vegas Vegas nation presented by Sti Sports Mobile From Station Casinos Alright Raider fans here here we go the season is off to a great start with the raiders locking up a win at home Monday night football taking the w over the Denver broncos twenty four to sixteen eighteen and we're going to break this all down on this big nation podcast. Don't forget to subscribe to it. If you like what you're hearing VEGAS NATION DOT com get the Vegas nation APP and follow follow all things silver and black were also on review journal Dot com slash podcast and anywhere else you find your shows on drop us a comment because we always love hearing from you and we've we've got a lot of those to get to but first let's introduce the crew here we have miles simmons and Adam Hill both of whom are in Oakland right now at the ringcentral coliseum where the raiders brought home a huge win gruden scoring his hundredth win as a coach in the NFL and then goes and shakes hands with the black hole afterwards this was kind of one of those bitter sweet wins. I think for Oakland fans perhaps because it is the last Monday night football game taking place place in Oakland as long as everything goes smoothly here in Vegas Sofer's miles. Let's go to you and say what is it like out there. What was the feeling like in Oakland with this this win bleep a bleep a I like it was really interesting? Hearing fans screen that basically the entire game anytime a wide receiver especially would make a play but I mean you saw during waller making plays and fans. Were really really into that that like saying you know you know F. A. Antonio Brown so they were really. I think it was probably Cathartic to get this win. from a lot of standpoints right because you're saying I need is the last time that the raiders will open the season here in Oakland and also just given everything everything that happened with Antonio Brown over the course of the last week I think for the team it was probably Cathartic also for the fans. It was probably really fun to see Adam. We heard Jon Gruden say that he feels like someone is smashing his temple on the side of head. Get over it as far as A. B. Is concerned concern. Get over it man. It's over. Do you feel like this team and their effort that they put forward tonight was just about eliminating any further talk of the the name Antonio Brown I mean. I don't think that was a primary motivation for anybody but I say certainly there's a sense of relief that it's over that they don't have to answer questions about brought to you know too. Many I mean there are certainly still GonNa visa but you know they could just move on it. They don't have to wonder whether he's going to be out there a practice of wonder whether he's going to be games they just know he's not going to okay so they just know that they have to move forward and I think there is a sense of relief about that. I don't know how much it had to do with their performance or or anything that happened on the field but I think it definitely is. There's just a sense of relief that the players could have now. I thought it was interesting. Some of the other things that Greek set one of the you know the end of that that you're referencing he basically said hey he's new England's problem now good luck with that which I thought was very interesting to his kind of a a parting shot against Tony around a little bit but then you you know dunk rudy says hey it's not an We're not thinking about it but then you go to the players they start asking them. It was a distraction obviously was a distraction radio. Expect her to say it wasn't but it clearly was it was it was a question every day could set the frustration of not only grew at talks but from mayock certainly from other players kind of wondering as much as they don't want to be out there and start criticizing him. There was definitely some sort of you know what is going on with this guy so I I just think good for the team before worded. I think really good for the team that they were able to the way that the over to perform well and that they they didn't say after the game well how much of a distraction that's audio. How much better would play? They don't have to answer all those questions right now because just went out to Kirk and tonight being the first time that the raiders have one at home to open the season since two thousand and two when the club defeated the Seattle title seahawks by thirty one to seventeen. That was the final score and that one tonight the raiders allowed zero sacks last year a total of fifty two were allowed allowed by the team. I mean miles. Who on the line do you credit for this? All of them honestly and I think really we gotta give Tom Cable a lot of credit to groups pointed this out in his post game press conference that you had two guards who were not projected starters going into this season starting for the raiders and so when you have Jordan Debbie at left guard and then Denzel Gu's coming off back surgery over on the right side to this is actually a pretty big deal going against a big Fan Vic Fangio defense. They didn't even really allow their car to be touched. The entire game I that to me is probably the most surprising aspect of of this game when you have somebody Bradley Chubb on one side and von Miller on the other and you don't even get to sniff Derek Carr that's a great great job by the offensive and where their cars concerned on the night his stat line was that two hundred and fifty nine total passing yards one touchdown he was twenty two twenty six passing attempts Hams Out we saw the tyrel Williams factor. We saw the Darren Waller factor but I think most of all we Kinda Outta focus here on the rookie Josh Jacobs on the ground. I mean I mean he did an incredible job. They're scoring two touchdowns over one hundred all purpose yards from the line of scrimmage. What do you think about his performance tonight? How key was it for with his team very key and I think you know what he was able to showcase not just two yards stats but you know he was able to produce as receiver which there were certainly the question about I know byles both Kinda commented early? The game was out there on a third-down play which I was interested to see how much they play on third down especially third medium third law knowing that they've got guys like you know. Jalen Sharp Wash Kufuor thrived in that role in the past but he was out there really based help on a let's pick up. I think it was against job and you know he was able to to get to them and pick up the right protection there so I I think he did a lot of things well not just not just getting into the end zone for that as well because we talk about the past protection and how much the car pockets to tonight but they were really but opened up a lot of holes four four Jacobs to run through you know the question marks about the cards particular coming into the season. They answered them now. They'RE GONNA look to get those guys back. Kaku comes back in two weeks of then you know you're GonNa get full strength with gaped accidents healthy in a few weeks after that so man I think not only is is it played well but they're going to get reinforced it soon as well so I think there is a really good sense of optimism about how often yeah and another thing I noticed miles. You pointed this out on twitter that they were bringing in Brandon Parker to convert on third down. What can you say about the usage Brandon Parker and HAL implemental well? He was on these conversions. Yeah I mean I think when you when you look at what they're doing on third down it was really interesting early on. I guess it was ninety five yard drive. They had these third shorts right and so when you have those situations sure you wanna go a little bit heavy you know Jon. GRUDEN is an old school guy. He likes using the fullback. He likes bringing extra offensive linemen and so when that happens yes you expect them to run the ball. They did that getting that. First third and short conversion then on the second one actually went play action and then dirk a car was able to hit tyrone Williams with a big passed down the field so I thought it was really good creative the play calling when you implement those heavy packages that you're not just limiting yourself to saying all right we'll just because they think we're going to run the ball. Were are going to run the ball and and you gotta give a lot of credit. I think Derek Carr for being able to connect with tyrod Williams on that because a lot of times you won't see that early on in the season season when guys not played in the preseason right and you also are dealing with a guy who's going to a new wide receiver somebody that they signed in the offseason in March so that to me was really emblematic of how this offense can start ongoing if it gets into the rewrite situations also looking at Darren Waller I mean he was is the most targeted he definitely didn't miss a beat when it came to kind of filling in the shoes jared cook who was one of his favorite targets last year so I loved what I see from him. He shows a lot of promise but let's get to the flip side of the ball here the defense collecting three sacks this was huge for a team the last year only had thirteen total sacks by the end of the season much less a game where they had multiple sacks the last time that they had done that was against the broncos in two twenty seventeen and the player that did it was Khalil Mack so this is a big kind a milestone for the raiders to be able to collect these socks in this game and get off to that start bins a male while had two of them conferral had the other What do you guys see about this defense? And how much of a different look do they bring compared to what we saw last year miles. I think it starts avant has birthed right like you have a guy who is so familiar with Paul Defense. He is a guy that can really conduct that defense because of that and so when you have that you have the single caller the quarterback of the defense that sets everybody else up to do. Well now the other thing that you have. I think is guys getting a little bit older getting a little bit more mature sure you mentioned bench Benson Mail. I mean he said in locker room was that he's tired of hearing about thirteen so he picks up two sacks. Yeah you're going to stop up hearing about thirteen. Does that's only the number of sexy got last year but also it was good to see Cleveland. Furrow did into the backfield and really stop a drive that was going into the red zone and make the Broncos have to kick a field goal. That's which really WanNa make sure you're doing. If you're a defense you WANNA kick them the field goals and not touchdown so when you get three sacks to open the season yeah that's definitely a step in the right direction especially when you you didn't really allow the Broncos I think to get comfortable offense. They did chunk plays but especially in the first half. I think the raiders dominated things there so you're obviously going to have have to continue to bring your big boy pants. You're you're playing the Kansas City chiefs next week but this is at least a good start for the raiders defense and the other thing on that and you know as you mentioned the last player had lawful sacks. I was back in two thousand seventeen. The raiders only got multiple sex as a team one time last here that was against Cleveland week four t they got multiple sex just one time that was that's how pathetic their pass rush was so I thought that was impressive but I really would credit. Did you know the the back part of the defense. you know to the linebackers and particularly the secondary for a lot of those sacks that there were covered sacks. I think they were able to just Kinda. Hold up there into the bargain. in the secondary that helped the pass rush get home a couple of times. They certainly have Rubino improve that area but certainly I think the results folks will give them some confidence in something to build on going forward and that's what a couple of players talked about in the locker room afterwards and then when you talk about the trump plays at the end and John talked about this as well but after Gary colley got hurt they've really started targeting Trayvon Molin who came in for conflict and that's where a lot of those big plays came from so yeah you if you don't like to see them start to give up close in the second half down the stretch. The broncos are trying to make a comeback but I think there is something to look at it. As part of the reason why that happened happened Gary on competition out. It's not maybe not quite being ready for that moment. that you could look at it in that regard but I think overall the defense could be happy with where they were after how bad last year with they also have a game last year where they gave up less than two touchdowns so I mean there was a lot of things this year this game that they worked never able to do last year that they were finally able to do and as much as you know. I don't think it was a great performance by the defense. There's a ton to build on autumn. You brought up Gary on Conway and his injury in this game. What is scary moment just to take in was seeing him lay there motionless and then and finally get put onto a stretcher? This all happened in a play where rice freeman breaks free down the sideline and he scampering off John Abram comes in for a tackle as Conley still holding onto his Jersey Jersey and then Abram just slides right in took Conley's helmet It's one of those things whenever you see that man you just it's a horrifying moment where you hope that that player is in paralysed or has suffered a very severe injury. It sounded like from what I saw in the press conference conference with Jon Gruden that he's going to be okay that there's a lot of positive signs we song. Give the thumbs up on the way off the field What kind of update do you have have right now anything else that we know about Garin Conley? This was one of the main questions that people are asking on twitter that they wanna hear about on this podcast. What can you tell tell us about this atom? Yeah I mean you kind of said it there. There's not a whole lot of information not a whole lot of details Dion John saying that everything looks good. The prognosis is really good. It didn't want to get into anything about potential return to the field the his concern was board that he's GonNa make a recovery and he's going to be okay and also signs are pointing in that direction. hurts from some players at at the same thing that they were they were told after the game came off the field that the signs were good. I'm Gary colley so I. I think there's a lot of optimism around that situation. I thought it was interesting to here's from Jonathan Haber Bastard the game who was a part of that play who actually said he has no idea what happened and he thought that Freeman it's all in onto Gary on currently and that's what happened so I'm sure he's going to be pretty upset when he sees the tape but it was certainly nothing that he could do he was just over there trying to make a play and you know those things happen in football awesome time so very unfortunate but pretty interesting that he didn't even know what had happened so on Twitter Jack Black Zach is asking if we know of a timetable for whereas return and then he also asks like is there actually a serious injury. He hopes not I mean is there anything that we know about maybe when he might return miles no not quite yet and I mean like Adam Sang. The biggest thing that Gruden had said was that we just know that all signs point that that he's going to be okay so we will see light little get an update from Jon Gruden tomorrow he's scheduled to have a one. PM Pacific press conference. I think that's when we we'll maybe get a little bit more specific information on a very calmly and what the injury is and how long do you might be out highly. What was that? What was that twitter users name? I I WANNA do that to you. Jack Black Zach doesn't sound real. No I'm looking at it right now. Jack Black like the guy you know from school rock yeah yeah and then Zach like his name Jack. Go go follow do that. Okay I will just because he has a cool name. I'm going to give you a follow. They also so Mister em seven commented on the victories as team victory. Many players made plays on both sides of the ball today was day one seen the rewards for the MAC and Cooper trades young guys can ball solid vet additions car was solid birth solid had guys imposition new you make plays damn proud so that's just kind of a positive remark but when you think about the Mac and the cooper trades. Do you think that with all of these young players the raiders have acquired acquired with what we see tonight that this is the beginning of kind of starting to see the by product that that trade miles. I Dunno oh now. I think it's too soon to say I mean obviously when you get three first round picks you want them to performing. You want them to perform well. I think tonight yeah we saw these. These three first round picks played pretty well in Abram in Feral Josh Jacobs but I don't know I think it's too soon to tell Denver did not look like a very cricket football team tonight quite frankly and so I don't know how bad they are and that really know how good the raiders are either. I just know that they they were able to execute on more plays than the Broncos and they certainly look like a more prepared. Teams in the offensive line. Obviously played really well so i. I don't know if I want to say all that like Gimme. GimMe a couple more weeks you know let's get through the first quarter of the season. I'll probably know more okay so let's get into next Sunday. We have a question from John Man. His handle is at Beale K. men tea and three so I think that's like short for for Black Mountain three guess okay so he wants to know. Can the raiders beat the chiefs on Sunday. This is going to be a crazy test for them but I mean the chiefs suffered a couple injuries of their own. I mean with tyreek Hill probably with that collarbone. He's going to be out for a while so you know I mean they showed they can adapt they had had Sammy Watkins catching balls and doing big things so I don't know what do you think about the raiders and the chiefs miles. I don't know how much I believe even the chiefs defense yet. you know it's going to be interesting to see what's you SPEC. no-load does there after they got rid of Bob Sutton in the off season but I- tyreek hill is hugh he is but when you have Sammy Watkins getting the kind of numbers that he got an especially with Darrin Conley during Conley's injury that could be a real problem for the Raiders Secondary. I mean they're going to be able to get those chunk plays as you got travis. Kelsey also can make plays with Shawn McCoy at a pretty good game against the Jaguars the other day that offense is built to outscore you so if the raiders are going to get in a shootout with the Kansas City chiefs which is kind of the Kansas City chiefs. Mo that's going to be hard for the raiders to win but if the raiders can you know make this make it a little bit ugly get those long sustained drives to keep Kansas City off the field. That's going to be a path to victory for ah alright getting kind of off topic of the game for coming up next week and what we saw tonight we have a question from television key Papa Adam he wants wants to know if DC will be the quarterback coming into L. V. as in Las Vegas Yeah. I'm Kinda dumb but I picked up on that one so we're I would. I mean I. I don't think it's a slam dunk. I mean I think all sides twenty two. Yes most likely I mean they gave him. The long term contract contract vote of confidence in the relationship between grooten car seems to be a pretty good place in a car continues to talk about buying a house next to Gruden in Vegas and being ready to beat neighbors and working together and everything else you know everything sounds great now but I have always looked at the season. It's kind of a Baker break year for that relationship it. Doesn't I want to go forward with car. Last year was kind of a you know a growing process and trying to learn what he had it there. are this year's system. It's time for it to take a big step forward. He's taught a rebuilt off of line. He had you know more weapons. We thought with Antonio Property still got worked at zero way of you know we saw the emergence staring Waller tonight. Actually I should also point out. I thought Jason Nelson is GonNa play. The Supply Brent for the most part flying it so you know a pretty good effort from him early tape to to get Nice Nice. Couple receptions admitted to get open a few times to play that role of Take a little bit of the attention away in enable Waller it terribly to do what they did so I think he has the weapons he has the office. He's got it right back now. If the offense doesn't take a major feature step forward that I think there is a chance car won't be the quarterback next year but all the pieces are placed for heaven. You know we talked about the the ossified holding on for give him credit to because he he's getting rid of the ball very quickly on a lot of occasions. That's what this offense is still for. That's what they want him to do and he did. It and I think you saw him. Get a little bit more comfortable. in the system it was last year and you know the office of line held out but he also helped them out by getting rid of the ball. Also I think the offense was clicking and a lot of different areas now part of that is the Broncos just didn't didn't really seem like they had a whole lot of energy tonight's so we'll see what they do going forward but she's still have you know a tremendous defense either so he's GonNa have some opportunities and he's going to be you. He's GonNa have to take advantage on his show. The the answer I want to wrap up this podcast says we talk here about the raiders win over the Denver Broncos Inco's and say that I saw the most creative thing on twitter today where the Raider fans and this is the last probably say his name so we'll get it all out they took their Antonio Antonio Brown jerseys and instead of burning them they took out black tape and covered up the part of the four that you know makes a little though inside part and so made like an eight and a one and then he got brown right on top right so like Tim Brown hello that was so genius. I really like what I saw. I saw one that I saw one that somebody made into clown instead of Brown. Actually I'll give the fence credit for agent nudity in that I did see a t-shirt stand set up across the street by the Denny's for those who are familiar with this area. There's a t shirts dead set up that had just just a giant middle finger at an editorial Brownie and I was like how those teachers made good for you as the code even like probably do something with foam fingers to maybe make some money off of that but just throwing it out there for those you listen in if you're by that Denny's I know at one eight there once like you know standard little skillet meal but it's the best it's the best to get those skills all right so guys. This will do it here. For the Vegas Nation podcast tonight we will have a preview podcasts on the Kansas City game for you coming out by Friday so make sure to check back on wherever you find this podcast whether it's the biggest nation APP they

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"From NPR WBZ. I'm Robin Young. I'm Tanya Moseley. It's here now and right now. We go to Washington where house impeachment. Managers are formerly presenting articles rules of impeachment to the Senate. Today after which Chief Justice John Roberts will swear in all one hundred senators to act as jurors in the trial which is expected to begin next sues day but even as the impeachment trial approaches. There's a decision out today from a government watchdog agency that the White House broke the law in freezing. Hey to Ukraine. Last year president trump's decision to freeze that aid as we know is at the center of the impeachment proceedings. NPR political reporter. Tim Mack joins us now and Tim. Let's start with the impeachment procedures. There's been a lot of pomp and ceremony. We've also heard from Senator speaking today on the floor of the with the vote of the. US Mexico Saco Canada Trade Agreement which has passed How have they weighed in on the impeachment so far well it's been pretty testy and one observation I would make is that? It's pretty evident that the Senate is kind of locked down mode. You know. There's a much higher police presence in the capital than usual ahead of these impeachment proceedings and that's led to much much more limited access by the press two senators and asking them what their feelings are. What their views are as this impeachment? Trial start so what are the major ways that congressional reporters like myself do. Dr Work is to Walk and talk with senators that they come to and from votes and that access has been limited so one of the big takeaways for me this morning and this afternoon is is is kind of how we have had a much more restricted ability to talk and ask senators to weigh in on impeachment and to get their unfiltered views on how this is all coming along Okay as I mentioned a chief justice John Roberts will swear in senators jurors. Today the oath he reads asked senators to quote do impartial harshly justice according to the Constitution and laws many Republicans and Democrats have already said which way they vote on impeachment. I mean that seems to directly Be In conflict with this oath right. Well senators are technically not even allowed to speak during the trial itself right so as jurors they are asked to sit in the Senate Chamber without asking verbal questions or making any comments and of course as you may know that it's very unusual for senators But they can't speak to the press outside the Chamber Knbr as you mentioned some have done. So Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell for example has said that he's working closely with the White House and defense counsel in this trial and Democrats Marquette's seized on this to say that this is an unfair trial already taking shape McConnell said though I in response that the impeachment process is outlined in the Constitution Futian And as it takes place always kind of been a political process with political players that lawmakers elected officials are the ones that That impeach and the the ones that are asked whether or not to convict yeah Let's let's go to this report that just came out this decision and the Government Accountability Office which is a non-partisan group that reports to Congress released a decision this morning determining that the White House broke the law and withholding aid to Ukraine. Here's house speaker. Nancy Pelosi at her press conference. This morning the O.. N. B. The White House the administration broke on saying that broke the wall. This reinforces again. The need for documents and eye witnesses in the Senate could this report put pressure on Mitch McConnell to allow AH witnesses in this trial right well. So this is a legal brief by this nonpartisan Group that does reports for Congress Chris and for Congressional oversight and so Democrats are certainly hoping that this report will put pressure on Republicans who have been on the fence on the issue. Witnesses Mrs There are a number of Republican senators. WHO said that they might be open to it after opening arguments in the trial perhaps in two weeks or so that they might be open to witnesses and this is just the latest kind of argument that Democrats are employing that there is this report saying that this issue at the core of the impeachment process us whether or not the president could pause this eight or withhold? This aid This is just new evidence for Democrats to use to increase that pressure so much to watch watch for today and the weeks to come thank you so much that's NPR political reporter. Tim Mack thank you well today. White House Press Secretary Stephanie. Grisham downplayed explosive new interviews from Rudy. Giuliani's associate left parties in which Parner said. He was part of a campaign to pressure Ukraine to investigate the Biden's and that it was laughable. I think it had anything to do with corruption. Grisham told The Washington Post. She wasn't too concerned and that the president has said he did not know Parnis but there are photos of them together together and pictures of Donald Trump with Robert Hide. The Republican candidate for Congress partners has documents he says show. Hi Discussing the physical location. Shen of the ambassador to Ukraine Ukraine has opened an investigation into whether she was being surveilled and Parnes told. MSNBC's Rachel maddow trump knew about Ukrainian pressure campaign. What do you think is the main inaccuracy or the main lie? That's being told that you feel like you can correct that the president. I didn't know what was going on. president trump know. Exactly what was going on. He was aware of all my movements. He I wouldn't do anything without the consent of the Rudy Giuliani. The President Parnis was indicted in October on campaign finance charges. The presence supporters say that means he isn't trustworthy worthy. Let's bring in Paul Sony National Security reporter for the Washington Post. Paul you know. These interviews are pretty damning Parnis as we said saying trump knew what he was doing doing but he never said trump told me to do this so what was his proof. Yes I think. In a way what is more important. Are The contemporaneous text messages passages. That have come out. That led Parnell's turned over to the House and the House released a portion of then necessarily his statements in recollections. Sion's I think it's important to see. He's saying that the president knew that Rudy Giuliani new. I think it's important to then look at other possible corroboration of that whether it's contemporaneous text messages that he was sending that Rudy. Giuliani was sending that reference. The president or that show that Rudy was involved involved All along or for example witness testimony under oath and I think part of the release of this will increase that pressure Onto have have more evidence and witness testimony in the Senate trial saying as some. are that this kind of puts a bow on a lot of things that we've already heard but can you give an example of tax. That's been released. Yes so a lot of what's been released. As a lead partners essentially serving as Rudy Giuliani's envoy in Ukraine he was the person who was interacting in Russian and with all of the Ukrainian officials and sort of where the rubber hit the road of what really wanted to accomplish in Ukraine. So you see for example a text message from the Attorney General the equivalent of the Attorney General Ukrainian they call it the prosecutor general. Where he's saying? Hey you know I. My statements about Biden are contingent upon you getting this ambassador who I hate fired. And so that's sort of their in bald language for everyone to see and understand. They're also a lot of instances in the text. Messages is where it's very clear that Rudy Giuliani is dialed in to what is going on. And there are references to what Rudy Giuliani calls number. One or a lawyer. He was working with call. Call the big one suggesting that they were meeting with trump and talking to trump about this all along do I remember Some of the text messages from the Ukraine craning to are being asked to participate in. This said things like I will get you the dirt on your competitor. In other words they characterized Biden as a competitor. Yeah so Sankoh who is the was the prosecutor general of Ukraine Tex- Left Parnasse and. He's angry that the request that he has given he's as requested. I think some meetings in Washington. He's requesting that the ambassador be removed and he's angry that he's already begun providing helpful public statements about bite into them I and they are not holding their end of the bargain and he sends a text message to left Parnell saying hey I'm well I'm I'm I'm prepared to thrash your competitor editor and you're asking more and more and more of me were over. I don't want to deal with you anymore. This is all just a joke. I'm sick of it. And so I think that kind of fidelity you about what was going on in real time last year As Giuliani sought to accomplish his goals and sought to help bolster trump in the twenty twenty campaign using information from Ukraine. We just have a lot more now sort of technicolor understanding of that from these text messages also also spreads the net a little wider. APARNA says Attorney General William Bar was in on it. The Justice Department has denied that that Vice President Mike Pence new the Devon newness. You know who famously rolled his eyes in the house inquiries to sail has nothing burner that he knew. What was the proof of all of this? This wider net. There's nothing that I have seen in the documents. And the contemporaneous text messages and notes left partners took over to suggest a knowledge by bar so so that is an assertion that parnassus making but I think it's really important for people as digesting this sort of tidal wave of new information on the eve of the Senate trial to to look at what is documented contemporaneous Lee and left Parnassus text messages our his notes versus. What are his accusations and recollection? You know when he made those statements commits unreachable motto. Last night I reporter wanted to know more about that. What is your evidence for that? How do you know that who told you that those follow up questions were or which kind of questions that you would ask a witness under oath? weren't asked on the program so I think we have to be a little bit careful about about interpreting. Here's part two tonight. But meanwhile email just a few seconds. We have this Republican Congressional candidate Robert Hyde Park has had these documents showing that he was discussing the physical location of the former ambassador. Ukraine Marie Ivanovich we. We just heard they you know they hated her. Some of these prosecutors hated her just in the few seconds we have what we make that let partners claims. He doesn't actually believe leave. That was happening. He essentially says this guy is nuts and sending text messages and I didn't respond very much to him so I think we still have a question about this. This guy was essentially suggesting he had a private security security team monitoring her in Ukraine. Did that actually happen. That's the big question. Why would even care about her? This is just gotTa be unpeeled. Pulse Oni now says security reporter for the Washington Post. Thank you came. They do. That's Asian American loudest vocalist and composer. Natalie Joie de whose first featured Solo album album FEMME DIA DE Record with Chicago Based Ensemble Spectral Quartet has earned her a grammy nomination for best world music album. Not Always acclaimed aimed albums. Celebrate some of Haiti's most iconic yet unrecognized female artists and explores Natalie's heritage and Natalie joins me now welcome to hear now. Thanks so much for having me. Well thank you for being here. Let's dig into this album. Pham Dat which literally translates to women of Haiti and Creole. The genesis from this I I read comes from a conversation you were having with your family about Haitian music and the role women played in it. tell us more about about that yes so I was in Haiti back. In December of two thousand fifteen and It was my first visit to Haiti after the passing of my maternal grandmother who is a very important voice for me in my life and it got me thinking about how prevalent the voices of women are in the landscape in Haiti particularly in the countryside. But that when I looked at the popular music scene in Haiti all I could really think of was you know very few women who had gained popularity. I think when people think of traditional Haitian music going back many years they think of Solo artists who are men N.. Really big bands of men like topple Kumbo very male heavy group. And so I asked my parents you know who were female artist. They could think of who was on the radio when they were growing up and they too could only really come up with a list of about a dozen or so women and that was intriguing to me because You know in the scope of American history if we had only a dozen or so women in the past Hundred Years Right Avis. It would be very odd so it piqued my interest. Also because you know if there have been so few what was so special about them was really what I wanted to know and I certainly found out in researching this project. Yeah and we want to explore a little bit more of the album and you're Haitian identity and heritage. I WANNA go back back though to talk a little bit about How you come to this point? How did you come to start playing the flute? I started playing flute in Elementary School. All sorts of by chance I think a lot of people have this experience where you know someone comes to school and demonstrates all the instruments and everybody sort of chooses. Is this one so a truly just came home from school one day and I said mom I think I'm GonNa play the flute And there was not really a lot of rhyme or reason to it. But I'm glad glad that it's the instrument that I chose because it took to it really quickly and I haven't wanted to stop playing since you also attended juilliard as a young child it's In fact some joke that you were born in the schools lobby because you began attending programs there since you were ten. Tell us more about how that experience shaped you as a musician absolutely. I am an alumnus of juilliard music. Advancement program which is actually a program that started in response ONS to a lot of music programs being cut out of public school programs in New York and the Tri State area and so I really started serious music extent there when I was ten years old I'm also an alumnus of their pre college division. which is you know? They're sort of premier pre college program for exceptionally talented students. And I'm also a graduate of their college division so I really grew up musically in that building a phenom you are. That's what it sounds like. uh-huh I wanNA talk about the track Lamis. Aa Pie deuce. Let's take a listen to some of it more women. Oh Cool Shit. She saw Munnelly Onis seat. Do do you say this is an old song that derives from Africa. Tell us a little about that history and the message behind it. It is one the dates well back but actually the version of it that I fell in love with surrender of toto be sense and she was a beautiful Asian in female artists who is not only a singer but also an actress an avid storyteller. The translation of lemon juice is Misery history is not sweet and it's speaks of being called to go to another place because you're not a person of the place that you the existing physically and in many ways. This was a song that we used to encourage slaves to to ready themselves for the the Haitian revolution and you know not that different than the Negro spiritual which would often were simple songs with hidden messages this song. It has a similar history. And I. I love this idea that it is possible to persevere out of extreme moments of hardship and I think that that was relevant preceding the Haitian revolution is just as relevant in Haiti and across the world. Today yes I wanNA talk to you a little bit about that. This week marks ten years. Since Haiti experienced its worst natural disaster that devastating seven magnitude earthquake killed more than three three hundred thousand people and left millions injured and homeless. And what's so beautiful about music and your music in particular is that you really reveal the soul and the beauty and the depth of Being Haitian There's so much happening right now. I know that you're you're probably thinking thinking about that is as you think about the beauty of your music in this album. That is highly acclaimed. And what's happening in Haiti right now. I think you you know I would have to agree with you that In many ways this album captures the spirit of Haitian people within music. It is one of strength. It is one of rebirth. It is one of perseverance. It's also quite a giving enjoy a spirit. I go to Haiti quite often myself. I still have a lot a family there and you still see the after effects of the two thousand ten earthquake. We've been through exceptionally trying times and there. Lots of historical the reasons for that their political and social reasons for that as well. But you also see this beautiful sense of strength and perseverance and the people that they will not beheld down no matter what hardships come their way and I am proud of myself to be standing as Haitian American to give voice to the beauty that is it's not often shown about Haiti informed. I E T you mesh Haitian folk and popular traditions into contemporary classical music. And you also experiment with different genres and flew tron. Ix that's the Florida's pop duo that you're part of. Let's take a listen to the track crazy it. Yeah Oh I love that. I love of that electron it. Tell us more about tron. Ix In why you decided to integrate the flu which is really typically thought of as a very traditional classical instrument lament into more popular genres like electronic and hip hop a little bit over a decade. Now I happen to be on the Internet and I encountered entered the music of else loggins hall. Who is now in Hardener Lutron IX and at the time I myself had begun experimenting with electrica Stick Music also hip hop rb Jazz Indie Rock and so when I stumbled upon Al's music and found that she was doing the same thing I thought to myself? You know I must meet this person And so I actually sent her blind message on the Internet. It was just like I think we should be friends. I love your music. And she agreed agreed and turned out that we lived actually just blocks away from each other in Brooklyn New York and About a week later we met up at her house and and just talk to each other for hours and both of us had this shared appreciation of the rigor and the sheer excellence. That comes from classical music training but also the you know excitement and the beauty of other genres of music and why not be blending them together and so that day food trucks onyx was born and I should mention that Alson Along with Tony my monet. or who is a creative collaborator of ours The three of US co produced from day T- together and so all of it is in this spirit of Fusing together musical voices and personal voices as reflected on Sunday tea with the conversations is that we share through that project as well. It's gotTa fill gratifying. That you all have been nominated for best world music album. It's amazing every day. Yeah I think I still am like. Did that really happen. It's a dream come true and Also proud to be representing Haiti at the grammys. AMIS in this way. And this is my first solo record and also for me the first time that I'm sort of stepping into myself as an artist really claiming claiming all of my identities as being Haitian American as being woman as being a black artist when a project like this which is so deeply flee personal you have the sense of nervousness that you're GonNa put it out and maybe no one will care or And so I was so excited and end feels really beautiful to have received this way not a leash. Wash is a vocalist flattest composer whose first featured solo album is up up for a grammy. This year thank you for joining US Natalie. And Good Luck. Thanks for having me ten point. Eight million million dollars. That's how much people in Illinois spent on marijuana during just the first five days of recreational pot sales the demand caused some dispensaries to close close or limit purchases because they are running out of the stuff from member station W. E. Easy Mariah woeful explains why after months of preparation. The state couldn't wouldn't deliver on a recent day drove to all nine dispensaries in Chicago and like many other people. I was just trying to find. We'd is the first time you've tried to. I actually came him by a couple of days ago and they had a sign out. So I'm a little annoyed. This was the story nearly everywhere. I went pot. Seekers met with signs. That read not serving serving recreational cannabis. Check back tomorrow. And that's lead to massive wait times at the few shops that do have enough marijuana to go around like mission dispensary on. Chicago's south outside. We still have ten more minutes until open and then these quantity limits are only to get us through. It's nine forty five in the morning and Chris. Curry is one one of fifty folks in line taking directions from customer service Rep. They got about thirty minutes. Oughta me out here is moving so and just to be a marijuana buffet others here for the smoke. Alas Marijuana Buffet it is not this dispensaries dispensaries capping purchases at four and a half grams per customer. Enough for maybe eight joints honest. I'm not sure there's much that they could have done to prevent shortages Chris Crane owns owns. Chicago's mission dispensary and several others across the country. These shortage issues have happened in basically every state but it has been more pronounced in Illinois and that was completely expected expected. And that's what pretty much every single person in this industry will tell you that this is not a surprise. Illinois approved recreational marijuana last June and the seat had until January refers to transition from a medical marijuana market to a recreational one as well the medical market here is pretty small. Compared to other states there are about eighty five thousand cardholders cardholders currently. And that's double what it was just a year ago before the state expanded its list of eligible medical conditions. Another problem is that the plant takes time to you. Grow with a living organism. Like this. It's not just like building a new machine. And then turning onto capacity Jason Nelson is giving me a tour of CRESCO labs. One of Illinois's twenty-one grow row houses where it takes about four months to grow a plant Apple Rock Candy. This one's Kinda unique this rollins right here. He says to meet demand. Growers had to star Increasing production tenfold they start cloning thousands of more plants per week. Hiring hundreds of employees expanding facilities Nelson says all in six months. Were literally doing it as quickly as humanly possible. He says the seeds planted at that new facility should be fully grown and on the shelves in Illinois by March. But it could be longer longer for other growth centers Nelson has one of the largest in the state market. Other people in the industry like Chris Crane the owner of mission dispensary estimates. It'll be six months to two year before Illinois gets close to meeting demand. We're going to be dealing with these types of shortage issues and we're going to be dealing with some lines because I think that while while certainly while challenging was better than the alternative of delay implementation of the entire program continuing to drive consumers to the illicit market lawmakers say shortages are by design meant to you create demand for the folks who enter the market later this year many of whom they hope will be black entrepreneurs who've been impacted by the war on drugs for consumers like Chris. Chris Curry who's new dealer is now mission dispensary on the South side. Buying on the legal market is worth the wait. You know what you're getting at here you'll know what you're getting when you on the street slow. We'll lose hope lies down four here now. I'm Mariah woeful in Chicago. An update now on a story we've been following a federal judge has temporarily blocked a trump administration executive order that allowed state and local governments permits to Stop Refugee Resettlement. President trump announced the order last September requiring groups get written consent from state and local jurisdictions before they we can help refugees resettle immigration advocates challenge the order in court and on Wednesday. A judge in Maryland ruled. The order is unconstitutional and does not appear to serve IRV the overall public interest. The White House says the decision is preposterous and has not yet said if it will appeal to California. Now where Governor Gavin a new. Some has been touring the state laying out a one point. Four billion dollar plan to combat the growing problem of homelessness. A quarter of the nation's homeless live in California and in just one year the number of people experiencing homelessness rose sixteen percent for more. Now we're joined by Governor newsome. Who is in the midst of his California -Fornia tour? Welcome governor great to be with you. Well thanks for being here. So you've called the rate of homelessness in California and emergency and you're treating it as such touch through an executive order. Let's get to the details of this plan. Among other things you're proposing the use of public property around free ways to build camping trailers that would serve as short short term emergency shelters and there's also a plan to boost the state's Medicaid programs for homeless people. It all sounds really ambitious. I GIVE A synopsis of how this will work working. Well you get the money from we hit the highlights at sixteen point four percent increase in the number of people out in the streets and sidewalks. We have the nation's largest population of unsheltered altered homeless over one hundred eight thousand individuals that we see out under the overpasses on the street corners. All across the state and I say all across this is no longer just a coastal issue in big cities this is now a dominant issue in rural California as well and we need to treat it as the emergency. It is the state of California respectfully and I say this not to point fingers but it's never been a point of emphasis and focus for state leaders over the course of the last few decades that now has changed. The State is taking responsibility and we are being ambitious and we recognize. We have to have a multi prong comprehensive crisis assist response that includes housing first focus but at the same time address the immediacy of the emergency at hand by providing these temporary solutions solutions. These field shelters FEMA trailers that we are advancing in real time. It's ambitious. It also costs a lot of money Where you're with that money? Come from the General Fund. It's a question of our values. Our priorities I will remind people The contrast in the state of California to the federal government. We're running record record. Surpluses a record reserves Record low unemployment record economic expansion. We are privileged to be in this position where we can make historic doric investments in not only stabilizing individuals. Moving them off the streets but substantively fundamentally focusing on the solution into homelessness which is housing and support services. You've come under a lot of fire from president. Donald Trump. He said that if California can't lower it's homeless population the federal government will get involved. And he's cited a regulation in the housing market is a key driver for homelessness here in California thoughts on the president's possible all intervention in the state no thoughts because its as the form and substance So often is the case with his tweets of fog. We're focused on our responsibility lots ability. We are a nation state. We own this. We would love to see the Federal Administration in an enlightened frame support our efforts by providing riding the difference between the federal vouchers housing vouchers. That are currently being underutilized in California for one reason listen and that is they do not meet our housing costs meeting the fair market. Rents and California are so high that these vouchers go unused he can help support by I providing resources to address that Delta and he would make profound impact and we would celebrate that beyond that though we are focusing on our own responsibility ability working at every level of government jurisdiction leaders across the state To focus on these catalysts investments and really focus on a coordinated collaborative approach. That is bipartisan. That doesn't look red or blue rural or urban All of us rowing in the same direction. They're much more than tweets. Though I I mean the president actually had folks come on the ground in California and assess the situation and so what I'm hearing from. You is that if he would like to. And if the administration and would like to get on board and helping going to solve this problem you'd be open to finding Some sort of solution in that way. Yeah we've had a direct correspondence to the president. I've sent two letters with specific traffic requests. no snarky nece attached to those requests Open hand not a closed fist Say Mr President. We appreciate now your interest in this issue. Hugh it's been a point of emphasis for me as governor. The new count that just came out is from last year the week in fact I took the oath of office. I I'll miss and Mister President. We'd love to see you own this as well in partnership and collaboration and so that's certainly the case and we are hopeful that he'll thought in terms of some of the edgier rhetoric not play politics with this to embarrass Speaker Pelosi or embarrass city. Mayors or for that matter. the governor of California but to really look at the humanity the crisis. That's behind this. We are better than this. We're capable of doing more And and we're GONNA provide our armories our fairgrounds we're going to provide these excess state properties. We're GONNA take these trailers that we purchased from FEMA. These mobile field shelters are. What we they call CALMAC teams that have medical components to it? We're getting serious but we're also providing unprecedented one point four plus billion dollars of additional. Oh new resources in this space as well governor over the past few weeks the nation has been watching a group of MOMS and Oakland occupy a vacant home. They were victims and removed just this week and what they say is that. They can't afford rent due to skyrocketing rents and what they call speculation. That's essentially investors treating housing housing as commodity for the highest bidder. What are your thoughts on this and is part of your plan clamping down or addressing what some feel is a predatory nature of speculators? Yeah no look. I'm I'm very proud. California just passed. We worked very hard last year passing the most aggressive rent control protections in the United States of America including just 'cause addiction protections which I can assure you there simply not a state in the country that's ever been more aggressive in the space as just wanted to effect Quite literally a few weeks ago I also provided with the legislature support. And I'm proud of this three hundred and thirty one million dollars for legal legal aid and legal protections for renters as well so we are we are hitting US head on. We're taking this very seriously. And this example in Oakland is emblematic of examples that are not generating headlines all across not only the state but across this country in California in particular we have disproportionate portion number of renters because the density of urban environments. We've gotTA protect renters at peril of never addressing the issue of homelessness. Because we never for could catch up. Because you've got to address the front end as you address the back end by providing more support. So what I'm hearing from you governor. Is You believe what you've been doing. In the legislature can help offset what we're seeing in the market with these speculators who are coming in And really developing in a way that makes it unsustainable for for those like these Oakland MOMS. Yeah look I mean. It's not just about an unscrupulous investor. That's keeping units survey current it's about the totality of a crisis that's been decades in the making of under developing the state's resources on his relates relates to a housing stock. We are developing less than one hundred thousand housing units on an annual basis. We need to be developing north. Three hundred plus thousand housing units as a consequence it's simple econo- one supply demand the same time you also have to focus on prevention and preservation preserving your existing housing stock preventing people from being displaced in the first place but production is that third and that is also part of the totality of our toolkit as we approach us for what it's worth my budget. Last year included one point seven five billion dollars for new tax credits revolving loan funds in Phil- grant support got to help stimulate housing production in the state. And you may have noted some high profile lawsuit filed against Huntington Beach for simply not even planning to produce the units in the state of California. We're starting now to hold jurisdictions accountable to actually producing results not rhetoric in this space as well your proposed plan and budget needs to be approved by lawmakers by June fifteenth. You're on the ground this week visiting communities across the state We there will be much more to follow. Oh here thank you so much governor newsome for your time grateful to be with you. Thank you. And that's California Governor Gavin Newsom you an update now on the Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders. Dust up in Tuesday's presidential debate sanders saying he never told warn that a woman couldn't win in two thousand twenty. She implying he had will see an has now released audio of the moment after when she appeared to refuse to shake his hand a liar on national TV. I think you called me a liar on national. Looks like do it right now. One of the discussion. We'll have that discussion. You call meal you told me. Let's not well so both felt misrepresented but Warren was never asked during the debates whether whether Sanders told her in those words a woman couldn't win he's previously said they can she instead made the point that they have that she and Amy Klobuchar were the only candidates it's on the stage who've never lost. You can be sure this will come up again and from politics here in the US to what's going on. In Russia Prime Minister Dmitry Msci Medvedev and his entire cabinet quitting yesterday after President Putin outlined constitutional reforms. That could keep him in power well past twenty twenty four when his term expires and today the Russian parliament approved Putin's new choice for prime minister. Mikhail Miss Houston. WHO's been head of the tax service the BBC's Sarah Arrange for joins us from Moscow? And Sarah One Russia papers calling this the January revolution but be clear. Did Medvedev and his cabinet quit because they were disgusted at Putin's power grab or because you know. He's moved the chess pieces before he installed Medvedev. Did they quit because Putin told him to to. Yes this was not a protest departure. This was very much a part of the bigger picture. The bigger plan This Russia that we know under Vladamir Putin doesn't have surprise departures and resignations. So yes this is. This was an organized thing but it was still a surprise to the wider public definitely. Nobody was expecting the government to suddenly on mass resign That wasn't seen coming so it was. It was a surprising day. An extraordinary day relations say in modern Russian politics. The kind of thing that we haven't really we seem we don't really remember for over a decade well and what are people there saying. Because we're reading. You know people who are longtime Putin critics saying that this is returned to Soviet style politics politics. What's the sense there? Well I think it certainly the case that The change of government. The change of prime minister is much is about much more than than just changing the government. I think first and foremost it is about that. It's about the President Putin wanting to send a signal that understands that there's a lot of economic problems in the country that needs needs to be addressed and by naming a new prime minister. He's hoping to send the signal that he is going to do that. That the government can do. What previous ones haven't I think? Bigger than that though more broadly than that. This is about his own future. He's proposing constitutional reform measures. That will change the balance of power. Here here in some ways that could in theory in the future allow him to maintain influence in Russia after he steps down as president. He's got to go twenty twenty four all but it looks like he's he's sort of paving the way for where he goes next in order to retain authority here because he's got a lot to protect well. He's done this before. I said he installing doc evidence. He did this once before and he made negative the president himself prime minister just so he could kind of rotate the roles and hold onto power. But how is that reform yes. He did do that before he can't do the same thing again. Because of the Constitution prohibits but what he's doing his portraying these reforms as more democracy he's talking about basically taking the power structures the power generally in this country closer to the people so what he's saying is whilst the presidency residency will be the most strong institutions still because Russia is a big diverse country which needs a strong ruler. He's saying that some powers transferred to the parliament which is representative of the people indirectly. I am that's more democratic. He's also increasing the powers of another body here which represents all the governors in the country that the State Council and actually sounds boring. But I think that's key. This is the organ of power which Mr Putin already heads up. It's been pretty sort of You know pretty inactive I Guests in the past but if it has more power which we think is going to happen then potentially that's the vehicle that Mr Putin might use to to pull the strings in the Russia and tell us more about Mikhail Miss Houston again today. Russia's parliament approved Putin's new choice for prime minister this head of Russia's tax service. He's He's played a lot of hockey with Putin and everyone knows that Putin scores the goals when you play hockey so he's obviously already Understood that and here he is now prime minister so you could say maybe just a toady. But he's also somebody who's been applauded for truly MON- rising Russia's tax administration. So what is the thing about him. I think one interesting question. Is You know a lot of people were thinking. The person who eventually replaces Mr Medina's prime minister would in theory be the next president in waiting. Now is the big question whether we could suggest that we should be watching Mikhail misuse and to see if he is the next president or maybe as he simply in there to show that President Putin wants to address the big problems economic problems in particular that Russia's still. Oh How's the BBC's Sarah Raynsford speaking with us from Moscow A headline you may have missed given all the ones coming from here in the. US that the entire just about the entire government different their resigned and his being shaken up. Sarah thank you thank you and here now is a production of NPR IN WR and association with the BBC World Service. I'm Robin Kevin Young. I'm Tanya Moseley this here. Robert Fletcher survived three three years as a prisoner of war in Korea. 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Getting Stung by the Nastiest Creatures on Earth

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Getting Stung by the Nastiest Creatures on Earth

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There visit Avocado Avocado Green Mattress Dot Com to learn more and to save one hundred and seventy five dollars on any mattress. Use The code side one seven five at checkout. That's outside side one seven five Outside magazine and Pierre Rex. This is the outside outside. PODCAST if reality TV has been on any kind of mission the last twenty two years you can make a pretty good case that mission has been to keep us from taking it. Seriously Austin in the live is we're going to be a target of mind regardless if show isn't blatantly artificial in its setup big brother it's probably gonNA come out that the producers go easy on the contestants host like man versus wild on beg grills. I'm GONNA show you what it takes to get out alive with some of the most dangerous places on earth in College College. I had a friend going into reality. Show where unpopular kid meets up with his opposing stranger. Who gives him a makeover teaches them how to be popular someone on the street? In in that person's life that stranger in reality was her best friend pomegranates. None of this is really a problem because reality. TV is not documentary. Kim Entry TV. It can bend the definition of reality because the only rules. It's beholden to are the ones that get it more viewers in the business. They don't even say a reality. They call it unscripted I think because making TV is logistically hard enough that you have to bend the rules or wouldn't be interesting to watch Um But then I heard about a new show on the history channel called kings of pain in which hosts Adam Thorn and Caveman Ravi Leva attempt to catalogue catalogue the experience of the various bites and stings that insects reptiles and arachnids conditions. Out there. Picking up the work of entomologist Justin Schmitt news profiled and outside back in the nineties and had written a book about how he developed the original paint scale for stinging insects. The hosts were following in his footsteps getting bit and Stung on camera for science and he was like so here was a reality show. That was so dead. Simple in its concept that it didn't have to be faked. The pain was the point like if the show jackass had had just no sense of humor. I had so many questions. And the history channel's happy to connect me with caveman believer in the show you're you're caveman Doomed referred to that way. Or how what do you prefer is sounds to me. I think it's a good way for people to remember me Is There A. Is there a story behind the nickname. Yeah just I do a lot of Hand fishing. I don't have the patience for Rod and reel and things like that so I started catching fish by hand in the U Your freaking Caveman and it just stock when you say hand fishing you mean like like sticking your head in the water wiggling your fingers that kind of thing. Yeah Yeah from Oklahoma. Were noodling was always a big big tradition and I never did it there and I moved out to California and I saw this big lake. not stingray but a giant ray and I just jumped on it and I picked it up and like look at the eyes and let it go. I was like dude. I'm hooked it starting to hit home. We're actually here. Always love entering rainforest the show starts out in Bolivia signed with our hosts heading up river on a barge drone shots of the jungle big music and a teaser for what comes later involving the largest species of spider in the world. The goliath bird eating tarantula. This isn't Iraq need with fangs. So big it can take down birds and even mammals. It's not not for the ARACHNOPHOBIA. Four minutes in my wife Ellie decided they were too many spiders. This Spider Watch. This is what you need to watch right now. The format of the show is simple. The guys pick a species go find it in its natural habitat then gather back at camp to be bitten or stung on camera. The the goal is to develop a more comprehensive pain index with more animals being rated in greater detail. They're not really kings but kinda series of pain. So what made them qualified to do this. Yes definitely a weird career path of enjoyed it Yeah definitely this. This probably goes back to where you know to win. I was a kid and I've found out the same thing from Adam. We kind of kindred spirits on the other side of the world from Australia and we Kinda had the same childhood just completely different parts of the world running around you know catching animals and things like that and of course sometimes when you do that you get bitten in in stone and I think I took some pride as a little kid being being the kid with the crawfish dangling from his finger or the snake Attached to my arm and just looking at my friends like like what like not a big deal Never never never thought that would be more than that And then I moved out to La. I think it was two thousand six or seven and I got a job at a reptile store. And they're like okay. We like you. You've passed the interview but we have one test now. It's like okay. What's his test and they reach into the aquarium and they pull out the biggest Tokyo Geico that they had these are like the second biggest Gecko on the planet so the they got jaws on them? If you let it bite you. You're hired like what's so you know it bit me on my arm and I didn't really know what to expect and I was fascinated by like this perfect the shape John Marks that left in my arm and I was like that's freaking cool and So every day at work you know pick different little lizard let it bite me and start comparing them like okay. The Monitor lizards they bleed. The GECKOS add crushing power. And this was just something is actually not dangerous at all it. It was just a curiosity thing but looking back on it now I realize Oh this is always been in me. This is always this is something I guess. Yes a morbid fascination like okay Sam got jaws what can it do and whatever you think ahead of time is not always correct you know. Yeah yeah I mean it sounds like like so as a kid can learn that like these bites and stings. Aren't that big a deal like probably hurt. But they're they're not you know life altering they're not but I think that was just luck. 'cause I got older things got more serious. Oh Yeah Yeah. Tell me. Tell me about that. I think in two thousand seven A friend of mine's girlfriends. Like Hey I've got an extra ticket to Hawaii and I was thinking we should probably bring you because I think you're just gonNA catch all the cool animals. I think you're gonNA just make the trip so much more fun on and I was like you know what you bring me all even let everything bite me. And so that's kind of got known. As as the by guy a little bit and we I went there and I caught a an invasive Jackson's chameleon and a what else some crabs and then I caught a Behan a baby hammerhead shark and then I looked at it. You know took a couple pictures you know. Put it back. And it's putting it back in the ocean and my Buddy Abe. He said everything like allies. Like you're you're pushing it too far but I knew that a shark that small actually couldn't do any damage so it's Kinda cool to prove that that you know way way think could cause damage mind always not do it and bit me on the arm. And all I wanted to do is get away as sharks aren't bloodthirsty killers you know but Yoga going on anyway. I got a job as a professional animal handler About two thousand eight and worked on a lot of shows and that's when the biting stops because now well I'm doing this as a job. This is not you. Don't mess around. You know yeah took it quite seriously. Did the animals get more dangerous at that point. Oh yeah a house working on this one show cobras we had Ferdie Lance which is a viper that you know just destroys flesh We had a I'm not a fan of spiders and we had this big box of sixty spiders all these little Deli cups in. That was like the box of death to me. I hate spiders but there's one in there called the Brazilian wandering spider. Hell no have you ever heard of this one AK Rick Banana Spider. It rings. Yeah yeah was made the news a few times as shown up shipments of bananas in the United States in in grocery stores and stuff so if freaks people out but it's also extremely toxic. And how I'm going to say this on the radio. podcast he can say whatever you want. So basically when this thing bites you it can caused a huge Nitric Oxide Duck. Same as Viagra does. And so you get hard on a level that you never done before but it can be so drastic that you lose the ability to get an erection ever again. Obviously that scared me as a twenty something year. Old So I had we had a big table that we built a fake habitat on to get real close up shots of it and my job. Bob was to lay underneath his table while we spun a high speed camera at a high rate of speed above the table to get three sixty shots and my job was delaney. Lanier to table into spider jumped up to catch it before it ran away. And I don't think I've ever been so scared in my life The consequences of that you can imagine not like Caveman as some sort of caveman. Totally ignorant about what he's doing and how it could harm for life. He's been bit and stung a lot most notably by two stingrays and a rattlesnake which nearly killed him he did some bite videos and put them on Youtube and obvious next step is a TV show. But but it wasn't an easy concept for networks to give the green light I pitched it to a couple places to couple networks and they pretty much together office because it's so dangerous But history did something incredible. They found The most amazing medics Pretty much that we have in the United States eighths which are Dr Ben Abe and and Jason Rivera from Venom. Wanted them to in Miami. These are fire department venom units. It's that take care of people across the state and even across the country with the most serious Snake Bites and things like that. So these guys know venom. They know animals and So history these guys on board to do a pain index similar to the one that Justin Schmitt had done and Justice Mitt was entymologist. Who as far back as the eighties? I remember hearing about this guy's Kit. This guy got bitten stung by hundreds of different species of of animals and put about route. Seventy eight of them on the pain index that he created which is a one to affor- and just for unite a relate like a little sweaty. That doesn't cause much. Pain would be a one and the honeybee is a two and then things like the bullet which is legendary is a four of a four plus and then history thought well. Hey you know this is all bites and stings is not just. I mean this all insects that Smith did or there's a lot of other things out there like lion fish and lizards and snakes and wiser no pain index for that. And so when I heard about this I was like hell. Sign me up even after a rattlesnake bite right. Well here's the thing there's other data half me wishing that this would happen back in my twenties. I'm thirty eight now I see the world very differently currently of survived a lot of close calls throughout life So there was a lot of the excitement for the show that I'd want to do for a long time but there's also a sense of serious risk that I felt because I have had a lot of close calls by just felt like someone else did it. I'd be pissed off man. It's like I feel like my thing and An atom atom at I was like he didn't want to do the show and Abbas my co-host now but when he thought the reason we re doing it and the fact that we're actually doing something for science and building a pain index. He was on board as well. Gotcha as far as the pain. Next goes I mean. What is that used for like? Why does the world need to know the differences between the intensities of of various creatures? We're hoping to do two things with this First off we just want to get people's attention for wildlife You know there's a lot of wildlife shows out there but we wanted to get something that really grabs people's attention and so we're hoping if you see Oh this animals twenty twenty five on the pain index out of thirty. Maybe we should leave that thing alone. Maybe we shouldn't go poking with a stick or try to kill it and also in my experiences with you know being bitten by rattlesnake and things like that Not Panicking was sort of the key to not make the situation worse. And we're hoping the people see us get bitten. They can look up What happened was maybe that'll give people since a concert If they are bitten by something accidentally We just I WANNA create a guide for people to know what to expect if they encounter one of these animals Like like if if something hurts really really bad. Had you know your life might not be danger. You don't need that five thousand dollar helicopter ride out of there versus something where it's like. Oh Yeah like you need absolutely Louis the maximum level of medical attention that you can get right away is that I don't use an that wasn't a key. We're kind of hoping people definitely go for medical attention soon right away no matter what because Even something as harmless as honeybee which is just really low on our index. You could be allergic to it so so if you get one hundred percent just go to the hospital you know. Hang out in the parking lot if you WANNA. If you don't have insurance doing you know but go get medical treatment ema just I grew up in Oklahoma and what people told me growing up if you get bitten by a rattlesnake XS on it and try to suck out the VIM ABC. I'm sure you've heard of that and things like that too I hope people nowadays aren't aren't that dumb but you never know man and So we're hoping people don't panic and start cutting themselves or or smashed an animal with the head and trying to bring in Friday's vacation We just want people to be a little more armed For when they're out in the in the wild and tell me a little bit about like just Just kind of explaining it like the format and the idea of the show Like how does an episode work. Yeah well what you won't see. There's a lot of really cool behind the scenes stuff going on before even get out in the field Avenue I put our heads together. We put a list of animals that we can get bitten or stung by. And it's a very weird list. Make 'cause we want something that's going to hurt but we don't want something that's going to cause long-term damage so something like great white shark is not going to be on the list And something like a little Gecko or some stock doc. Going down the list. 'cause it's not a big deal We're looking for that weird painful gray area in the middle that the most confusion is is is about because we all know that a great white Shark Achilles bite you we all know what to do But something like a a Jinan Centipede Scary but is it really deadly a lot. People think you're going to die a lot of people think it's nothing we want to figure out. Okay well how bad is it really what you need to do. How long are you going to be hurt But we have. We've taken a risk because everybody happened sort of on a spectrum. You know like you ever have like a like a a hollow piano or something and they're all kind of like around around five or something all of a sudden you get a super hot one. It's the same thing with with these bites and stings once that's done We rented by the network. Make sure that everything's approved approved We get out in the field me start looking for these things and the first place we went was Bolivia and crazy thick virgin primary rainforest full of wildlife. And we're looking for the giant burdening tarantula and we talked to locals and get information it takes days sometimes to really get these things And catch a couple and take them back to a controlled environment and we'll get bitten or stung. Then we take turns doing. It's it. That's the scariest part. Once you have. This animal in hand is like you know we're about to let this thing by this and you're staring at it. Sometimes you ensue. Animals weapons like with the Tarantula. They got these huge basically fangs and your stare at him. Waiting to get bitten is pretty frigging. It's a squirm on the couch stress. Your whole kitchen kind of show and in true reality. TV fashion. 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How the show drags out those moments right before the bite right makes you really feel the anticipation by me already? Yeah actually liked liked the show. SORTA drags out the pre by in precinct. Because you know while the viewer gets a few seconds or minutes of that we've been dealing with this for for months or even years Like we did the Piranha we all saw cartoons growing up. The people go in the water and coming out skeletons and just falling apart or you're or a history growing up in I'd read about Teddy Roosevelt. And he would go to Amazon. These things would strip cows down to the bone So they're scary Gary Animals and then next thing we're doing research on them for a couple of months and they were thinking about a whole plane ride over there and They were out looking for him and we just have so much time to think about how this could go wrong in. ARE WE GONNA lose chunk of our arm or these things going to strip is to the bone we just. I don't know what's going to happen so they anticipated on. This is off the charts man. It's just by the time you get bitten stung when you have a pictured the worst case scenario over and over. Yeah Yeah so how I mean. How do they keep you safe? I like how controlled environment is this. We went to great lengths to make this control. But there's only so much you can do. I mean we're getting bitten by some of the worst animals on the plan to give bitten stung by But we have great medical team. We have you know Venom Venom. To on site we have a medical plan. We have evacuation plans. We have helicopter on standby. Sometimes we've done so much research on these animals Not Just Admiral Self. But we call biologists. We talked to doctors redo everything humanly possible to make. This goes safely as possible possible but at the end of the day. Like it's a wild animal. We're in the middle of nowhere and we can only make it so safe and we don't want to bring these animals back to the states or anywhere to do a bike near hospital because we feel like the bite or sting might not be as potent Animals tired away from his home home. You know out of its environment. Is it really going to be a natural bite or sting. We just feel like it's better right there where it lives and we can also return it back to its home immediately. So safety is relative. IN THE FIRST EPISODE ADAM thorns blood pressure drops dangerously low after the first thing and suddenly not just the medic but a whole safety fifty crews on camera venom especially repeated exposures to venom can give people allergic reactions. They've never had before so no matter. How many medics and helicopters on standby and by you just don't really ever know how a particular individual is going to respond to a particular animal and to give a really good example The reticulation python we did in the final episode Adamant I've been bitten by a Lotta Pythons. Throughout our careers is not a big deal. It's usually a little dip absent. Stay away bleeds a little bit. It's not a problem The way people really get injured by pythons is Obviously they're they're scared that this big everything's going to bite him so they pull away and you know the teeth python typically Typically curb backwards a little bit. So you're pulling against that when you pull away and you're making you making what would have been puncture wounds Tears and cuts. And that's that's where the real damage Happens but also sometimes a snake as a mind of its own. Sometimes they'll twist and a will shred you open does that and That's what happened atom. If you're watching the video he doesn't pull away. Does everything correctly but the snake readjust discharged starts twisting and next thing you know once once we wiped the blood away you see me. You see fatty tissue. I mean it's it's horrible And then I went up next and We're thinking okay. This is a python by. That's about as bad as they get. Be Kinda cool to show people people that you know even if you're bitten by python it's not going to be a big deal unless you're extremely unlikely Extremely unlucky but when I came up just a a horribly bad luck the thing punctured my owner nurse. And so yeah and I knew it immediately. I felt like I had I. Had you touched a livewire. It was unreal the amount of sensation that came through that nerve. When that thing hit me and I just collapsed on the table because I knew do Either hit a nerve or maybe in artery and that's what it feels like when you have no yup refusing to the area. I didn't know by new if I moved. I was going to make it worsen person and tear it worse and claps on the table. The medical team came in. They got the python off me and Yup still dealing still dealing with injuries. It's a dangerous the job But that's a freak accident and I think most of the time we know how to be safe and we know how to do. This is controlled as possible Mostly animals we deal with. Aren't going to be animals with huge teeth like that can cause trauma to nerves and things like that. We WanNA do defensive. venoms defensive venoms is where the real bread and butter. Kings of pain is Defensive Adams are always honest venoms They mimic pain. It feels like your arms falling off. But you're fine and that's what you get a lot of Things like lion fish or sea search INS or la the wasp and bees. It feels like you have a huge injury but really you're fine and that's where the bread and butter of kings of pain it's GonNa be because that's where the variation happens that's where you always weird effects That's where you have pain that lasts for seconds or or days and that's what we want to explore is really fascinating to see how one animal to next can affect your body so much differently. Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean just in Schmidt wrote the like the psychological aspect of pain is the actual defense mechanism like the creature. The teaching the Predator that it's not worth messing with by by causing this pain. Yeah and I'm curious like so as someone one who is experiencing this over and over and over. Does that experience change over time. Like does your experience of pain evolve for lack of a better word I think on some level it will and I think a great example of that is we gave the honeybee the three out of thirty on the pain index it just wasn't a big deal but I think the reason for that. I think I think if is our first time being stung by Honeybee we probably would have given something a little bit higher. Probably a seven. I really feel like am an animal that you've been stung by a lot and obviously just going throughout life looking for snakes in the wild you get stung by bees all the time and I think there is an element of getting used to it and that affects the way you actually feel pain I think fear actually increase. It and I think familiarity can actually decrease obtain that being said we have the opposite effect on a lot of these animals too. Because we're going through pain so often that is fresh in our mind. And so we're we're not getting used to it. We had a very recent reminder that hey last week you got stung among by this wasp and it frigging hurt and now you're about to get stung again and I think because we're doing so many back to back state so fresh in our mind. We're still getting pretty honest. Assessment Osma pain and That was that was a cool thing that we didn't really expect like are we. Just get used to it where it's not a big deal anymore and I didn't see that I think because we're just getting over and over and over S- where we're not allowed to forget how bad the painters. Yeah Yeah have. Have you experienced that before. Like I mean I've had injuries and a year later. I can't really remember what the pain felt like. Does that it happened to you as well. Yeah one hundred percent you forget over time and that's why we really like making this index because we write down everything that happens and we can go back and look at later like Oh yeah I forgot. That was four hours a pain and then then that you know moved around my arm and didn't stay in one place. Jason Nelson was really cool about this pain index We can look back on it and see everything that happened to us. And the other good thing is we're doing several bites and stings per episode and we're going back to back to back And that just keeps it fresh in our mind and that way we can compare them to each other a lot a lot better it. It's it's worth way better than we thought actually like this. This scale is like okay like we're building a big picture. I think the longer we do this pain index the more accurate. It's GONNA be Gotcha. How long do you get between Episodes like how long do you get to recover lattanzio knock out two episodes in three weeks so our bodies are trashed by the end of that I mean just absolutely trashed We try to space out the bites and stings stinks. Because we don't want one bite or sting interfering with The one before the one next so we space it out the best we can but we have limited time in countries we. We don't always find animal that we're looking for right away. Schedules change and sometimes it gets pretty hectic. They're like hey you got stung by this and then hopefully tomorrow. You're good good you you gotta get stung by something else. It's like it's like any other job man things go wrong and there's crunch times and Just gotTa get it done and we were going to have two weeks of break in between shooting but The schedule a mess messed up a little bit so we had one week of recovery and I think you can tell by the final episode that we're just exhausted you need. You need at least two or three weeks to recover okay so I should say I came into this interview very interested in and what it's like to shoot a TV show where you repeatedly asked to suffer and not that interested in the science. I figured they were GonNa be doing research the way Bill Nye the science guy for fun and entertainment. Maybe learn something but for obvious reasons. There's not a lot of comparative science being done on this topic and so they have real questions. Well one of the things we were trying to figure out about. Why some bites and things are different than others If you look in Schmitt's book he goes into a lot of detail. Tell about that as far as social animals have more to protect so they typically have a worse sting so add sorry honey would be the perfect example sample it has young and then also honey to defend so. It's got a decent sting but there's also a lot of them already distinct What Schmidt I didn't really figure out at least I couldn't figure out by reading? His book was why something like a tarantula. Hawk was have such terrible sting. Because they don't have. I asked her hives. They have they dig burrows or even used a tarantulas. Own Borough and lane egg on the Tarantula so that's not a huge investment in offspring offspring. So there's no reason for it to defend The young so he doesn't really know why that hurts so bad But we encountered third was the weird things like related species. Some could have a much worse thing than others Different populations appellations of the same species could could have more potency Who knows like when's the last time? The animal eight how healthy is. Did it stink. Something recently is it. Low Venom Venom is a cold is hot. Does not fill that threatened because it's away from analyst and then there's US as well do we get enough sleep. Are we hungry. A retired heard what would happen to the Stung millimeter over. Would it would have been different amount of pain just so many variables And the best thing we can do to counteract that is both of us always get stung because everyone reacts differently and when possible we both get stung by different in animals or by by different animals of the same species. Because if say I went I and got the full of venom and Adam got the scraps from the the second thing. It's just not gonna be accurate at all. So we're we're doing everything we can to make this make sense but there's so many variables this is turned into. You probably the hardest thing I've ever done in my life because we're trying to make sense of something That is a wild phenomenon that people have been trying understand forever you know. And we're discretion the surface. Yeah I mean it really sounds like you need more participants in your show. Yeah Yeah no you know if we if we can do one. Hundred people per sting I think we have an amazing pain index because we can average it across a hundred hundred people But that's just not possible and let's rally die that's the difference between TV and science. I guess it is. It is But the benefit of having on TV instead of big study you know with one hundred one hundred people is this will reach a lot more people. And and so we're trying to get his accurately documented as we can and reach so many people and I just feel like you know with you know. I've been stunned by stingrays twice and the second time I was stung even though I was fill the pit of my stomach worst because I knew the pain that was coming but I also feel a lot more calm because I've been through it before and I think if I had just seen someone on. TV Stung by a stingray and had them talk through it. That would have been offered offer to me my first time. So we're hoping to even just help one person. That would be amazing. I I would be so happy with that. I mean for the show to keep going doing the the standard TV models at the bites have to keep getting bigger and scarier. How do you does that were you and how do you do that? And that's a damn good question because the thing is we were pretty hard season one and we. We did animals that. There's no way to hell I'd do today to because of how crazy it went I can't imagine another big python certainly not on my arms So we might have to come up with new strategies different places to get bitten Still Fascinating for Admiral. Because we're seeing how everybody's different but to keep people hooked I hope Hope we don't have to take it too far I want to keep doing this this for a long time. And all it takes is one bad bite or sting to ruin you know. Descend the entire project. The End I promise promise people are going to love it. They're going to see a lot of pay no matter what so. If you like us you'll love the show if you hate us you're still gonNA love the show because we're paying no matter what so. Yeah yeah this is a little bit I don't know like a deal with the devil like you're on TV on this cool. Show this cool project but your job is is to suffer definitely. Feels like we're giving people the bloodlust the about for me I think if I was looking for a different type of TV. Show and I ended up on this one he I would have felt like was the deal with the devil. But I've wanted this for a long time. This this is the most fascinating fascinating television. Show idea that I've ever heard about and there's just something about almost like being a pioneer ear and just for me personally going into unknown territory and we live in a time when that's very difficult and so we're the first step into a lot of these bites and stings. Yeah I I think even if there's no TV show fight a medical team. I'd probably do some of the bites instinct still like I'm I'm hooked man. I'm just I'm just is hooked on it but there's also that fear like k. i.. GonNa take it too far because you are on. TV Are you gonNA push it a little too far. And I hope we just hope we don't do that. I just WANNA keep doing this for as long as possible out Caveman Rob Leva talking with me from Los Angeles. This episode was produced by me Peter Fragrant and Robbie carver ever with help from Michael Roberts. The podcast is brought to you by Avocado. Organic natural nontoxic mattresses. There's a podcast is production of outside integrated media and distributed by PX. Back next week

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The Kist & Solak Show #123: Week 3 Woes Plague Philadelphia

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The Kist & Solak Show #123: Week 3 Woes Plague Philadelphia

"Hey there podcast pals. I'm John Stolnis the host of the Phillies pod hidden season one of the shows that make up the good fight podcast family from espy nation look the baseball season is one hundred in sixty two games long and there's no way you can watch all those games so make sure to check out my podcast twice a week for all the fills goodness you could ever want and make sure to check out our other podcast including the award winning the dirty inning with just inclu and Trevor strunk and continued success with Justin Endless rozier subscribe on Apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP kissed again the Benjamins so land. It's the kissed in Seoul action presented Pine espy nation and leading green nation. You are flying somewhere on the kiss ten so lax show episode one twenty two brought to you by the folk vocab- espy nation and bleeding greenish and I'm your host Michael Kiss follow me on twitter at Michael Kissed. NFL Cassius as always. I'm joined by the very sick Benjamin so lack. It's not because of the game but not bad say among the climb uphill although tomorrow will probably be bad dodger that's Benjamin Celek follow him on twitter at Benjamin so like that's. So L. AK ben other than being sick. how are you feeling about this one and two eagles team in another very close very heartbreaking loss in which plays he's that could have been made definitely were not made again. Wow Philosophy your second year congested things don't taste as has got as they usually do. Everything still delicious. Thank you for asking. It's it's a good life. It's a good day. It was a it was an ugly watch but it was like it was it was a nail-biting watch. I had the distinct pleasure of explaining what a blocked field. Goal is how infrequently it occurs and how valuable it would be in this particular context to my completely football illiterate fiance the moment before Malcolm giants blocked by CAC and that was really cool because in that moment you're like this. Is it like they're the they're lock is finally kind of flipping around in this game and then obviously that didn't happen but it was it was it was an ugly wash. There were some good moments that ending right right there was down to the last flight which was a lot of fun in one too but I feel I feel I don't know how you feel. I feel very much so like I feel you you know during the two thousand eighteen season when there would be time so the eagles would lose two out of three games there was a stretch for the eagles lost three out of four games in the middle of that season and and and and a lot of the times kind of message from this pod was like yeah but there's no reason to to freak out like it's probably going to be okay and that's where I am right now. The Eagles are one into after three games and I'm really not very concerned about the direction of the team at all. I mean part of the problem for me is I'm. I think I'm a little more concerned than you because right now what we're having to get from Carson Wentz is perfection in a lot of cases and even when he's perfect guys are not making plays. I mean you go back to the the middle portions of the game there A. drives that ended on a Nelson Galore drop on third down. There was a drive that ended it on a mile sanders fumble. The very next drive ended on Nelson Galore fumble. I mean the game before we know about the Galore drop in Erz being short of the sticks and whatnot and then the last play of the game and looked was not a perfect ball from Carson could have led J. jaw a little bit more out in front hits them right in the hands. The defender does does not touch this thing. This is why jail was drafted and I understand he's rookie none of the guys around Windsor Making place and once is playing really doggone good football and and I know disowns hurt and I know Alshon hurt but it just seems like the dumb self inflicted stuff is absolutely killing this team and I don't care if they're in close games are not you lose close games for a reason because you shoot yourself in the foot. Eagles have a more talented roster. They had better coaching that better players once played like a better quarterback stafford out a really good game by the way I thought anyway what this team is not as team is not making plays when they're out there. This is not like the magic type feel of two thousand seventeen. This is crap right now. I'm really listen. I'm really glad you brought up twenty seventeen. Though 'cause we should mention as I saw some like you know you know like everybody said this team was gonna be like twenty seventeen and it wasn't and it's not going to be clearly we it's very easy in its simply. It's at selection. Bias is just remembering like Patrick Robinson. I N T you you know and like this and the other thing we never talk about the Kiana Neil Neil Ball in the middle of the air that went Torrey Smith and lead to a field goal against the Falcons and again. That's eagles should've the laws in the wildcard round. We don't talk about you know we don't talk about unbelievably lucky breaks the happen in every winning season that are directly attached to that are literally the other end of the stick of the incredibly unlucky breaks that happened in in disappointed but at the same time that's that's other teams not making plays is the eagles had the t the plays right there form to make sure my my main point is this when you with the eagles went on to our out minus two in the turnover over differential they generated zero sacks and they had seven drums statistics loom. These are things that will regress to the mean very quickly turnovers or in large part locks acts or indecent part lock drops are almost explicitly lock so these are things that will go back and so when it comes to execution. There's there's messing up of concepts. There's there's there's you know a failed checks failed reeds for example the near the near Darius slay pick sex X. where just carson and and and sproles just like did not understand who is going to be breaking where at what time that is a more concerning thing to me than the JJ inside drop at the goal line the whiteside drop matters a lot more it changed the outcome of the game but on a sixteen game season which is admittedly the Middle East small. We're not only talking like Major League Baseball with one hundred ninety eight games. Whatever the heck they play over sixteen game season which obviously each game has a lot of leverage whiteside catch which miss this week in happen next week you on me like this this is this is the thing that mostly is is subject to the coins of fades like you and I always talk about? We try really hard not to complain about the referees on the spot gas because that's something that the team can control and we have a couple of good reasons to complain about the referees in this podcast but that's not the Kinda the coverage that we want. We want to go for the things that can be ironed out in terms of coverage calls in terms of execution in terms of coaching is the stuff that that is of more interest to me so like the drops are devastating but anybody who can't looks through the performance of a injured young wide receiver core and say Carson Carson Wentz played a really good game and put him in position to win multiple times but we know Bobino Carson good. We know Carson's really good. That's not the problem do we do we act like we don't know that like the general consensus so pricey but and so right and so then you have aren't they gonNA whiteside who have a total of seven targets on his young career to decide side whether or not he's good. You know what I mean. We have that the like you want. You WanNa talk about a guy that we simply should be condemning and moving on from saying it's over as Nelson Galore and that's been since last season for me right but with Agla this just simply is firstly. We're we're kind of glossing over this big thing with Agla right now. He is a starting and wide receiver for the Eagles. This is not a backup that's input more plankton and he's making almost ten mil the nine point four million easy starting wide receiver for the Eagles who run primarily eleven personnel they don't run as much as other teams do but they serve starting offenses eleven percent. He's the starting slot receiver for the Eagles and a time it wakes the eagles only have one starting with so you're on the field and Agar isn't even the one getting extra attention from the defense still getting the same coverage he beginning of alshon Genre on on the field twelve targets tall targets and we had to complete singer before was for him Nelson Agua goes for twelve targets. We obviously know that he has a critical drop on a third down. We know that he has the drop fumble. Whatever the heck that is eight receptions for eight receptions for fifty yards? That's an average of six point three yards per catch two touchdowns both of which came on catches and runs one was a one yard little screenplay and the other was he was a Mesh crosser on third and five and he broke attack only gone to to the end zone after which play I tweeted Nelson was running back with them like a question mark but really Nelson aglet John well understand the way that the defense is treat this Eagles Eagles offense especially with no Alshon Jeffery and even without Sean Jeopardy last year because the Dallas Cowboys did this Detroit was doubling Zachary's in key situations and and at the end of the game and making it very very clear that they were going to double jacquards. Someone else needed to make the play it was I mean Nelson Adler is not going to pay Mac. Holland's hasn't good place and then we'll have an offensive pass interference on third down or a drop off. It's a pass interference on third down right on Darren sproles will have a office pass interference down the field on four th and five it was crazy as I only made the best player of the day when he when he broke some tackles got in the end zone that was his only redeeming play like he greg for Nelson because he's has struggled with confidence offense issues in the past and compounding drops not in his rookie season Nelson is able to bounce back but that the problem is he continues to have to bounce back. He has to be more consistent right. Adler Adler is is a gadget player alkaloid gadget talks you know they they came out of the locker criminal and a half of whether they be though he should be downfield three. He's got four four three speed. He should be the vertical and but you know he can be now again. I don't agree with the way they're using him but that's really the only thing that he does pretty well is working to intermediate to deep areas middle middle of the field. He's not a side to side gadget player. GonNa break a bunch of tackles a bunch of the time. That touchdown was weird. That doesn't always happen with him so he doesn't bring a whole lot of value outside of that right. I don't I don't like this. We disagreed. I'll miss at after twenty the eighteen where I wrote about Galore and saying that I I did indict him. I do not think he brings the deep value that you'd seventeen. They don't use them that way. These side to side player so if you're gonNA use a and this is not making excuses for Nelson Aguilar because he sucked at times this season the last way you want to use them is inside the side sonar so as consistent like underneath type wide receiver and I know that's kind of that antithesis of a slot wide receiver so maybe that's part of your problem but anyway I mean we you can continue to argue about We know needs to be more consistent. That's the bottom line and the players around once need to make some frigging plays and will be draft running back in the second round. We expect expect him to bring us production like he's going to be a Kareem. Hunt and Alvin Kamara like that was a lot of people's expectations and everyone got all crazy and training camp and preseason preseason because this guy looks really great space and those situations are fantastic for players like that but when you get into the real. NFL football game and the game speed is faster her and you're no longer running Wisconsin I o linebackers to beat them to the edge and you had fumbling problems in college anyway. You have a really bad fumble on the first one the second. Can we get knocked out as you're going to the ground who looked great as receiver at times I love the the wheel that they ran out of the backfield and looked great which is great. That's awesome. That's fantastic stick but if you cannot fix a fumbling problem you will not see the field if you can be a really good pass protector. There's GonNa be times where you'RE GONNA be taken out. I still haven't seen that from him. Bottomline bottomline protect the football and you've got to become more disciplined as a runner he does it hasn't done either of those Jordan. Howard and Darren sproles should be taken? The majority of the snaps and I don't know what the eagles were thinking thinking. Let's go back to them. Let's go get that. Let's go back to them. Let's see if we can get them back and rhythm competence back right. Well Dr do that with too many guys having to do it. Nelly we're having to do it was saying there's all these guys that are missing spice because all these plays are being missing. That's why the eagles are frigging football games because they're executions things and it looks like they stink as a football team and if you were to tell me that the eagles think right now I couldn't disagree with you 'cause they're playing bad football and they're killing themselves. They are better than this lions team and then of losing because they can't they can't help but trip over themselves. It's it's just your garbage performance at home losing to the light at whole heavy favorites come on inexcusable five points heavy favorites. NFL that's it's a pretty healthy line right. It was at six at one point right yeah. It's a three point loss on a drop touchdown on a opening kickoff return for a touchdown and onto turnovers turning into six points tanks scores. You're scrambling at the end. This isn't like Oh. It's just it's no you were scrambling. You needed a you needed a defensive stop. After missing a fourth down play call to force a field goal and then get lucky enough to get a blocked field goal and you still can't you still can't finish the job that's frustrating generating. How did we feel about the Gulf War on Fourth and eight twenty totally find? You can't have it both ways. You can't if you'RE GONNA if you'RE GONNA allow this coaching Stafford being aggressive suv on fourth down you cannot have it both ways and I think it made sense because they had three timeouts. They knew if they could get a stop. Even if the lines did get a field goal you're still in the game. It's only like what thirty to twenty four at that point so I have no issues whatsoever with going for it right there. You showed faith in your defense. The defense stood up and then they play on special teams. That's how that Works Matt Patricia Right there so I have no issues I am I. I don't necessarily agree that it's a you can't have it both ways sort of thing because the whole ideal deal with four thousand aggressiveness is there's Spectra. There's a gradient of fourth and one from your opponents forty. Six is a no brainer fourth in five from from your own thirty eight is not as much no brainer right the ideas that there's a there's a a gradient here fourth day on the twenty two and the way it was it was framed for me by by analytic analytic members of the community was that you're basically inviting a super conservative approach and thereby inviting a field goal and then keeping the game once roar. Which of have you know Matt Patricia Who's going to do that if you feel if you go for your exactly right which was a run on first run second down and then on third down which we can transition in the conversation now to this the Eagles on down third and ten and the twenty two game on the line when zero blitz the exact same coverage courageous city Jones gave up a touchdown on not three drives two drives? Everything allies man Jim Schwartz. I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's I don't trust my passwords with four. I don't know if it's listen my corners. We're GONNA get burned anyway. I don't know if it's I don't care anymore. I just WanNa go home but this dude I mean there was an adver never sent this many blitzes this aggressive of blitzes ever they. They weren't going home life. They're not going home for and it's showing with what Schwartz having to do to manufacture pressure and I was saying it like later on the game when when the lines took over around midfield field and it was like third down on like this is where this is where shorts per I a blitz number one like from like around the area where you're starting to get into field goal range. He wants to knock you out. He wants onstage with a knockout blow. Get you in a situation where you really can't kick the field goal there and really F- put the onus on you but also the same time if you're not getting there with four I mean what do you got to force some type of throw in hope that it's an errant throw and it kind of was it took the receiver a balanced and he had good coverage on it. I thought it was a great place to blitz right there in the fact act that Schwartz's having to blitz like that underlies the problem with the pass rush as a whole because we don't typically Schwartz like that and Stafford we talked about before the game makes good good decisions against the Blitzer for the most part he did in this game so it was hard to attack. I'm like that and he made some crazy throes with some sidearm throws in some stuff that was all platform but I love the bullets. They're like just think I'm I'd be curious to now. If the algorithm the machine learning the analytic critic approach to win to go for on fourth down has leaked into the blitz right third and ten the twenty two less than three minutes left. Whatever it is I rather gonNA win or lose so either lose on that play or possibly you know stay alive on that play right look preferred to Schwartz sit back and cover ten yards boards off in Latin teams art? I prefer that yeah and then and then yeah you got the coverage. Ip Needed Sidney Jones Gets Marvin Jones which is again like that's you run that a hundred times Marvin Jones catching the ball more than fifty book you know and so you got you got the play needed at the Sydney say but it's it's crazy because visual does the Jewish in where in my opinion you you can't have it both ways right. He runs carb zero blitz and ask Sidney Jones to track Marvin Jones across the field on second and ten from the Thirteen Tan. I'm from Thirteen Jones have coverage until yeah and Marvin Jones is bodies down the field and then you know labored in a slightly similar circumstance it was actually Kennedy Golladay who is the target on that Rep not Marvin Jones but the point still holds you get coverage zero and obviously it's successful H it's such a different look for Philadelphia and and I that's what I'm saying. I want to understand why it's all of a sudden come out is it because they're not getting pressure with four. Is it because you know okay well. We dropped seven seven. Were still getting thrown on our corner scam. Stick with guys we might as well send seven and try to you know as we did. A MUTT Golladay play forced to force a kind of bad throat whatever it is I wanNA know why there's so much more blitzing happening because the impetus behind it will inform us a likelihood that the eagles make a move back namely Jalen Ramsey now because if it's this we're not getting pressure with four win. It's not as likely they move Jalen Ramsey as it is William Corner Suck anyways we might as well send. The House is not going to solve the problem. Yeah I and you know Schwartz. I'd like to talk to talk about this stuff and and game three and all that so chances are he's gotTa. Let it out. Maybe why he blitzes more. Sometimes it keeps a close like he keeps stuff like about specific specific players blowing coverages and stuff like that he kind of keeps that close close to the chest but when it comes to like Game Theory I think he might let it let it out as far as why he's doing that in might have had to do with the pass rush. We'll see we'll see about that anyway. We got more to talk about about this stupid twenty seven to twenty four loss for the Philadelphia Eagles as they moved to one and two. We're here on the kissing SOLEX show. We're GONNA pay bills and we'll be right back baseball. Truly it is awful. I'm phillies writer. 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I don't necessarily want to make that show about that about some of the calls that were missed. Obviously the Mile Sanders regattas head turn around was just ugly. Here's what here's here's what's fascinating to me about that nick. I don't know says legit question if somebody knows he's an answer for me. What are you watching on a kick return? I mean the Guy Seven there seven Evan a umpires on the field referees. Excuse me on the field. There's maximum ten blocks occurring and a lot of happening in a very similar area so you can probably like I watch a couple of times pretty condensed or if you're a Red Ryan you go I can see this guy's name plate and I can also see his face mask. Maybe there's a problem. It's just like actions. It's just like the reason I ask is like the the second Nelson Igor touchdown where there was a penalty flag thrown for off its pass interference that it was picked up yeah why was it picked up Woah because the field judge threw it from the back right corner of the end zone while the line judge was staring dragging down the line of scrimmage. He's going to be the one to know the line judge. If a a little screen play pick play rub play whatever you WANNA call it happened beyond one yard to make it illegal so the fields through it and then the rest conferred the line judge who has is a much better angle probably has like you know precedents like the first call on that penalty said unequivocally. No I saw it was within one yard. It's legal in that's why they picked it up. I would imagine they have different assignments in different ways. I would imagine on a kickoff return. One dues job is probably behavior. Just watch the return because really not that much just going on in this play this past place offense of line. We have to watch a bunch of different routes going to a bunch of different places. We have to watch the quarterbacks if you get hit right. There's a whole like the the head is just a wash quarterback. Gets it right so you assume there would be a guy there whose John Lewis. I guess I don't know somebody was in front of him. So we know that was a penalty. What did you think think about the other ones? What did you think about the I mean you're going to know where I stand on these? But what did you think about the block. In the back from Malcolm Jenkins on the blocked field goal return and the push shaw from our offensive pass writers from Darren sproles honestly do and I said this on twitter and I and I think it was a penalty actually pretty sure it was a penalty pushed off but that was like the tiniest offensive pass interference. I've ever seen who the guy like that pushing you off your expense president you off. The catch points. Odd of the three offers passing occurrences is which yeah that's a whole you know opening clause. That's that's a thing of the three offense of fashion appearances that happened for Philadelphia Vye. I do wonder how many would have occurred if there wasn't a renewed interest in pass interference in general as a thing in the U. Verse. That's right like you know what I mean like now. OPIE is challenge and they you know they if if if I put it this way if he doesn't call it the defensive coach can throw a flying but you should have called the Pi. They're more willing to call it. Maybe I don't know but yeah I mean it was with roles was it probably Oh. Pi Yes that's something we've seen never call it before yeah all the time safety Malcolm Jenkins. You know what I mean like. I forget there's there's somebody in in some prominent person in coaching who said this. I don't remember who does things like some old retire car coach. There isn't a kickoff return for a touchdown in the history of NFL without one block in the back. She's a question of how agreed to sit wasn't wearing it happen. You know what I mean and obviously with Jenkin Jiang. He's just running. Jacobs running full speed stops today. Karadzic was back at the block in the back was Jenkins like with his hands out tracking now. He's random in the back but that's that's called the Those things don't bother me too much fourth and fifteen carsoup. What's a very casual ball on Jayjay? I'll take a wide size hand at the one yard so she didn't matter the eagles. Get get the ball outside of fuel rate of infant will range of course went to the very capital Vol AMAC Hollandse hands on second and ten in field goal range mattered. I saw that take a lot from people in terms of individuals have the ball and field goal range the panic outfielder range onto the fifty first and ten second intend third and ten fourth and five fifteen there was criticism. I saw from like why did illegal just make sure they got a first down all buddy. They tried to Mac all catch football right right and then once you're on third down. You're absolutely playing for more manageable fourth-down so yeah there you go Is that doesn't bother me. The game scripting wise doesn't bother me. I thought the offense of game plan was really strong in terms of the play offs and that was used for the eagles to generate the amount of intermediate windows that they did. I should say really short windows that weren't too many enemy passes but for them to generate the short middle of the field winners did without a deep threat was impressive. you know they they they really did not attempt the too deep for the mile sanders throws right and then the Arctic whiteside drop yeah but really for the majority of the game the only throw zero threatening deep to reduce sanders sanders running back and they were really effective at opening up those interior windows on the good job manipulating the lines linebackers anticipated eagles put twenty four points on the board despite getting giving up two turnovers and that was a good offensive output from stem discern only like three times and so it's I I was generally good performance by the offense is the scheming gaming with gunshot. Carson played really well off the line. I don't think really struggle that much. I think Carson's responsible for a lot of the pressures that he was under especially late early in the game when they're dropping eight and rushing three you gotta just standing in the pocket you gotTa You can't can't be moving off your spot that quickly 'cause you're just going to put your your life. In a bad place. Ivanka Arts Against Dallas Guard stands out as God or had him locked up and Carson just climbed pocket and like all right. I'M GONNA go sack you out and there's nothing goner can do goddess in-space gets an outside linebacker. If Carson moves off spot God. It's going to be in the wrong location. Something cars ask element understand pocket presence. Yeah pocket presence remains the biggest weakness for me. Of course he's got amazing escape ability but he makes pockets horror. You're than they should be for himself. I agree and speaking of God or what about got hurt in this is like something that didn't really matter but I think it does because I intend Detroit twenty six six thirty nine thirteen left the eagles are downtown. The Eagles run doubled China's seven and we can do this on the film review but you know you have the have trips to the left. You've got the two in breaking routes from on the outside and Goddard's running a corner out and gets one on one with I believe that's fifty two. I forget the numbers right there but got her perfect thrill all right on his hands drops ball in the endzone perfect. Throw can't can't ask for anything else from Carson Wentz in that situation now the eagles eventually get a touchdown but it happens two minutes two minutes later when you're downright who scores in the fourth quarter less than ten minutes to go. How much does that two minutes matter so even that drop itself wasn't without big consequences because the game scripting changes in that situation and you might have a chance at another drive at that ball's not drop those those little drops those those little things right there Ricardson should have had seven right there were deceived him to extra minutes to get back in this ball game and of course much matter a great deal a lot what could happen after that and that's a whole butterfly effect thing in different things happening and whatnot so we can't know but like even the small stuff that a lot of people aren't even talking about are just just killing his team and just and I don't know what's going on with them? They got to get out of their own head and they're gonNA. They're just gonNA play ball it. Just it just seems like something that is not just one person. It's not just Nelson Elson Abdur it's Dallas Goddard and it's an it's back hollins in its Darren sproles putting off getting penalized in his knuckle Jacobs getting a unfortunate colonies running full speed at at a guy with his back turned. It's just wild and that's the unfortunate things to that lead to bad losses against decent teams like the lines and I told you coming into this and I don't WanNa play the told us oh thanks. I really don't care. I'm not proud of that at all but like the lines game this game worried me more than I thought it would ever breaking down the film and the Lions I think held up into the bargain and played some decent football. We knew it'd be calling us right. I think that that's one of my other big takeaway. Things is like the eagles lost the lions and much like the Falcons game they had a lot of opportunities to win it and should have but did they didn't unlike the Falcons game. We knew coming in that. This team was depleted like alshon initiatives. The easy thing to talk about the team is still missing Komo. It's missing timmy. Jernigan Jackson is missing jalen mills and then suddenly lost Ronald Darby starting players all across the board toward the Eagles are missing Dallas Goddard played but barely took any snaps had one target clearly wasn't healthy. He was running six offense alignment instead of putting him in the clearly. The capstone attached to his hands but I get what you're saying right yeah. I'm just saying I can get one. One target was bad drop but got her on day in which the Eagles wide receiver one wide receiver to a healthy daughter gets more than one absolutely and I was expecting more twelve and laying off of it if he was gonna be healthy but he wasn't on the Eagles I touchdown drive. They had seven offense alignment unblocking with Alex Ellis's the full back in Dallas Carter on the sideline you've gone it was healthy on the silent for that said God Joe by by the way how about them. I'm just deciding instead of wait until the third quarter to go on the second drive in the first quarter to go with heavy personnel and decide that they're going to run the ball and something just clicks with this office of line when the coaches go to them. Hey rubbing in the heavies. Let's go take over this game. It was to happen like once a game every game. Why can't we just do more of that? I don't understand Stan I it's so weird I think I I I have take that is not formed and I have not checked it and it's purely curious off what I feel but I just think that do staley just really struggles to manage his hot hand who should have girl shot the ball in which concepts I just don't I mean like even with a giant blunt and it was good. There were times where like I just didn't get it that that's what I mean about. Sanders fumbling issue is an issue with centers. I know you WANNA get get it back to him and kind of get his confidence back after he makes the first fumble put Howard in their Howard was playing well. Go at the hot hand that which you have the committee for because one guy's not hot the other guy might get hot and you go with the guy that the the pony. There's a role in man yeah but anyway that's the whole running thing like in week. One there was too much Darren sproles right and then week three there was too much mile Santa's. I'm not going to be shocked if in the next three weeks a week where the general consensus from Eagles twitter is hey. There's too much Jordan horrid right up people were screaming for Jordan Howard today today which is crane the broadcast the broadcast booth was losing their mind over the fact that Jordan Howard not have eighty-five fascinating Howard. NCAA with eleven carries for thirty seven yards three and a three point four yards a carry mile sanders averaged four point. One people were screaming after Sandra's fumbled. Why isn't why isn't Howard in there which is fine but praising that you were three for the same reason that you were thrilled about miles sanders before the season because he's more dynamic right right but sanders not being ready to be a long-term players and they should be too surprising and that's the thing I've seen man like wish the Eagles had actually drive to address? It's the third it's the third game of their career. Korea's right and I think that I wrote about this. My winners losers and I duNno pieces. I think both of them we currently have too high expectations for them. Sanders because of the preseason laws aren't they go whiteside because of the injuries in front of them. You would have liked both of them to respond better for sure you got second round. Pick EMECO harmony. He can't say on eighty three yard touchdown. Yeah that would have been nice for the eagles to have another second rookie but they don't in and it's okay. We have never said that. It was going to take some time with these guys and MIA new weren't big fans of the Sandra's picking. Can we knew it was gonNA take some time I mean we like aren't they whiteside right but also are they gonNA whiteside like his initial why that they only red ads on fifty fifty balls he had three targets today only one of them even near the end zone and it was a giant deep post route which he ran like zero times at Stanford. It's okay this is bad. You don't go back. I'd Godawful drop and he knows he on and he said after the game. He said uh he he thought there was going to be contact. The contact didn't come and I think that mess with the timing because he said and the ball was right on me so I think he had an issue tracking talking it number one because I thought he could have done a better job at high pointing and coming back to the ball like I said could have been a better ball could have led him whatever it was there for him to catch right in the hands but also really just coming back for the ball and high pointing it and being a little bit more of an attacker in the air. That's what you expect from Jj. That's what we saw in college. That was not the way he attack. The ball was not how I'm used to seeing Arthur whiteside attack balls in the North you disagree no and that's that's the thing is the thing that was the best play of the best thing about that play that the the actual quality performance in that play was Melvin the corner not getting pass interference because that's the whiteside saw thought was going to happen and that's what happens. Five five virgilio times out of five to join time on that route is that you know that balls behind on the post the corner is in a recovery technique the wide receiver stops and goes up to address the football the corner barrels into him grabs pass interference whether it's caught or non right. That's what I was probably expecting in terms of contact are they whiteside needs to to become better at getting a drawing that that penalty right and so are they gonNA whiteside elevates. He elevates away from Melvin elevate directly vertical. Go directly up and you will insight that contacts then you'll you'll also be the one attacking football the ball won't eat you up but this is what it is the BSA a second round rookie in the NFL. It's not make good place to make bad place now. Cord display have mattered more no so it sucks the worst that it was a bad place but that's the second around rookies do is they make bad place right. Mile Sanders made a really bad play with a fumble Atalanta scrimmage ball scores back the same all these these are bad plays. It's just the leverage of the individual play is what makes you remember the worse and that's why I really don't think you know the eagles are in too bad of a spot and it's actually I wanted to ask you because I've seen this a lot alright short week. They probably won't get healthy and they're gonNA go play the Green Bay packers. What do you think the opening line is going to be on? This sort of a game is in its in Green Bay right. I believe it is yes jeff. It's in Green Bay. Packers are three now. If I'm not mistaken yes yes so I'll probably going over the bears the vikings and the Broncos so you typically give three points for homefield advantage so so that's already out there now. I don't think that yields are going to be favorites in this game. Even if it was at a neutral site something to go five and a half to start maybe in opened three for the packers oh so so now it's at four now it's also okay so they're starting to push my way but I i. They were just saying well. There are at home. They'll win yeah but this is this is my thing not only only do I not think that this game is nearly as much of a wash over the three no packers against the one into eagles people we have three gains worth of data on these team right they are by. I four not decided season has no idea not only do I think that but also the eagles are going to be like massively back up against the wall after dropping dropping two games that they should have won. I think the eagles are gonNA come out and have a great game against the three packers why wouldn't they this is a team that is woefully under performed in terms of the win loss column column and has performed well except for critical situations in in on field. There's this is a team that is a strong huge candidate for positive regression to the mean of what their performance should be the eagles team should have scored more points than they have thus far this season save for a few very high leverage plays Jason Nelson aglow drop which was six points like the JJ ethical whiteside drop which was worth six points like the Mac Hololens drop which was worth three points and defensively terms terms of giving up stuff. They've also had huge leverage place Akeem Spence third-down offsides gets upset It's a six point leverage fly a kickoff return for a touchdown down six point leverage fly that typically you don't give up kickoff return touchdowns. You know more than once or twice a season so this is the team who simply they're a huge candy for positive Russian Gin and this is a team they very winning head coach resiliency over multiple seasons with a very good. NFL quarterback who has played tremendous ball those elevated the players players around him. Why are we writing off the packers? There's a loss I get like we feel bad about. Lions game like obviously we think you know you and I think enumerated it very well. At the beginning the the frustration with a loss felt stupid but I really like I was not surprised or disappointed. 'cause it's kind of the way that twitter is but I would really say like there's no reason at all to say well. The Eagles are starting one in three because the packers are three now man. The packers beat the bears by five. You know what I mean like. They took the vikings down to the wire with one possession right they get this packets are good team. If you believe the eagles were going to be good for weeks ago Oh you do not have enough data enough information one game with alshon Jeffery Sean Jackson healthy to say that they're going to be bad now. If neither of them make it back to the packers they've gotta to figure stuff out but here's the thing and this goes back to my point of late. We should have anticipated the eagles not being as good against the Lions we should have known they had multiple players out with injury. Eh You don't solve injury a week especially when the players you're putting in our guys like aren't they go wide site. He's never played the NFL before Mac Collins who miss all last season injury it takes time and this brings me back to you know remembering the goods and not the battle twenty seventeen. You ask an average eagles fan. Hey how did how the divide how abide do in filling in for Jason Peters in the two thousand seventeen season. It's only did pretty good. He did well enough forbe's when he first stepped in he was God awful full of Bisbal he was going to ruin our. CD's and then he got better over time in Eagles got better protecting him over time and he he grew more comfortable and even out the ups and downs. It's team has beat beat up there. Get the the the replacements are going to become more comfortable on the playcalling. It's GonNa make more sense and they're going to figure out what they need to do. In those you know you know okay well we have have you huge long-term injuries at defensive tackle warning to continue throwing stuff at the wall until we figure out what the solutions for that it doesn't just take four lines to figure that out so the eagles short-term. We're GONNA be okay. This team has played really good ball of last six quarters with some critical errors at huge opportune times so the way better against the packers but then long-term turn this team is gonNA play better. 'cause they have a really good talent. That's GonNa come back and really good coaches that are gonNA figure out how to fill in the gaps so let's all breathe at the panic button because we're going to three words words and we're gonNA see some panic so we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA go to the three words segment of every recap show where BGN underscore radio on twitter asks you for your three words gentlest ner to describe this game and the first one to just totally contradict everything. You just said my son kissed underscores. Simeon says a wrong always make your son I and it straight patronage and I'm totally fine with it anyway. Rod is coming some other ones over drop stuff at all Aaron Rodgers Yeah Yeah you. I don't know Arab meantime up. I was thinking that the the the baseball player a third baseman to your point the Yankees at Chad witcher three more quarters orders and then in parentheses of the season L. allow it even though at six words because he's clarifying what he means by three more quarters and that's to your point. This is a long way to go three game. Just say thirteen games left. That's actually three words and it doesn't mean you have to cheat does he actually had ailing as long throw a flag on somebody for having too many words. Let's see if I can find. I saw that somebody thought they just removed the spaces between bad play college solve. The problem robbed and a high feel about that. I like this one from Tim. Koala at Koala underscored TAM which Tim if you're real last name is actually Koala tampered at Stoke Stoke. Yeah it's blank and put like you know underlines like you know like an underscore. Inequalities marks blank dropped it 'cause not only to the eagles have seven eight six trump's swearing in how you catch it you count it was Howard Wellman's Dallas Qatar wellman's Darren sproles one was mckellen's wellness. Jj Zakar. It's just you and it was everybody everybody a man. In the I mean the ball was greeted. You know what I mean. It wasn't just the one player as everyone so I thought that was I love this one at P P fan or p Han p. p. h. A. L. Ninety ginger ginger ginger beard who always laterals you on the BGN comments. Did you see him. Try to shoot his shot was Sam Wilson said what's up. Sam Will Teen I. I respect it good effort Sam because she thought it was funny too so good good job brother with that God Babes on broad group. We've got another cheater at Philly Patent Thomas Walls. PhD says don't in all caps and then in parentheses in lower case ace throw it to with hyphens and then again in all caps stone hands now. Have I have a couple of questions number one you try to make it three words and and you made it four by combining throw it to but now it's don't throw it to stone hands so still four you still did it wrong and secondly they. I really didn't have that many other options on everybody was dropping the football also we saw Garfield Garfield for real big stick Connec what I don't know what Newcastle this right so I looked I ran over to my head. There's there's no one who played who's named Nicolas so is this a censored version of saying Nick foles won this game. I think so I think so and I'm I'm just gonNA breeze right past it because it's stupid all right. Let's go to no offense brother. Thanks for listening. Josh is some real at les they but uh-huh L. E. U. T. I liked the way he did this. He actually has three responses which we discourage unless you do it like this. His first three words drop drop drop his next rewards drop drop his third response drop which indicates the seven drops in the game last words wants his fault well done Josh broke the rules as clever as around clause three tweaks through words Jay Grand twenty-six. Jim Says Ken whence cat which I enjoy also especially because there was that one play where there was a ball that was popped up and went elevator for it and I swear y'all trying to catch this run this this absolute idiot a- and then he threw down on the ground and I was like I'm very proud of you. Ski Move Veteran move by once on that. I thought he was GonNa try to do something stupid too but we also had at Cappelli Rob Fifteen Rod Hill says his snake bit in which honestly really is. He's got a feel like that right right. I mean like we we give all the context for what happened. In yes game went off considering right everything he's had to do and the way that the eagles had failed in these situations with him in there. He got a few like that a little bit. I'M NOT GONNA lie to you. I thought to myself after the game I was taking the puppy out and I was thinking about the game and I really thought to myself like man. How are they going to choose what to put in the thirty for thirty of the what could have been with Carson Wentz before he just quit football because the poor guy just like injury? Your backup wins the for Super Bowl for the team back in twenty eighteen continued injury twenty nineteen. Just everything is conspiring against this dude. It sucks I do want to say on Philly at Philly Gunnar el-Zor ones Mac says fired Jim Forts which we just had to make sure that we acknowledge that that's also been in the mentions again so three weeks running fired from enforced though and then Kebab with my favorite one at Cobb underscore bob talk about no. I didn't see it all right so three words he says Eagles don't need Jalen. Ramsey doesn't dot as long as someone informs at Sidney Jones for that he is allowed to be within eight yards on the wide receiver. He is covering Hashtag flag life. I was thinking I was going to throw the flag on that one too to but I was I was driving and I was like he clearly just like he just read. The treaty was like best responses Arabica Sasha recap tonight okay. I'm just going to tell them what I think even though like three three words in giant all caps the top we doing this for many years Hey bet even what's going on with the with the giants right now as we know it's in the other room what's going on. It's it's fourth down. The giants are down by six points. There's one twenty-one left. It is fourth and five from the handed off the Barclay Arkley seven yard line. Daniel Jones backed it. They had a little bunch on the left. They're running back to the right. Jones looking left steps up in the pocket. He's GONNA run for it walks in for touch down one of the bucks doing John's baby. Let's do a Danny Don. How do you not expect Jones to just take off with it? He's like trubisky in that way anyway. Okay him so the giants might get themselves. Also a big win against the buccaneers will see what Magic James Caan back. He's like trubisky was so sneaky and you just drop that in there as if like that would be okay that was really well done. I appreciate that hey thank you as always focusing lecturer. BGN Radio we appreciate your swing a by man a wanted to football team for the Philadelphia Eagles a start than most of us not expect a lot of us myself included. Don't really know how to understand or conceptualize but we're mad about quick YEP. We sure are feisty which again another thing if the broadcast booth was not commenting on tour and Howard were they commenting on Eagles fans are there I I would be good for twenty ten all but their defense has played well thank you. 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Full Episode: Friday, April 04, 2020

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Full Episode: Friday, April 04, 2020

"Remember the moment you saw that. How could I forget? How crazy is great developments in that horrifying massacre and guber driver driver hoover driver? We all of hailing a car with an APP. The truth is you really don't know who's in the driver's seat could have ever imagined that these strangers lives would forever be connected because of an uber driver. Suspects wants to the victims shoots point blank. No no it's not myself. Things died and my mom was a basket case capacity and why and then finally he says well if I told you it would blow your mind. A devil had popping up in your Uber. App evolve visited a place that we thought we might be insulin. Warm all across Michigan. Everybody heading up to the forties and some may even touch fifty. Today saw February twentieth. Two Thousand Sixteen was just a normal day. Ordinary people doing ordinary things friends and family hanging out together. I was going out some friends that night. I worked the night before so was working twelve hour shifts. Which allowed me to sleep most of the day. It was just a normal day. This is an ordinary day in Kalamazoo Michigan and the lives of ordinary. People are about to intersect can be changed forever because of one man. Jason Dalton. The Uber driver. We all hailing a car with an APP. It's easy it's convenient. Truth is when that car shows up. You really don't know who's in the driver's seat. Overdrive driver accused of raping his passenger. Stepping into of a total stranger. Could harm you car. So there's any era volmer ability to teach Byu real. When an Uber passenger places a request it gets routed to a nearby driver and as soon as they accept it they go drive to the passenger. That passage will actually see the picture of the driver and they can follow along on their route as they drive to pick them up. It's four twenty one in the afternoon Uber driver. Jason Dalton is picking up his first right of the day. Matt Mellon Uber had just come the Kalamazoo area and he decided. That was a way to make some extra money to raise money for a vacation. He was Nudie. Hoover was just learning how to figure out the APP. They had good reviews of his ride. This one ride would unleash eight hours of terror. Count to and we've been covering the story for years now. From the very beginning Matt Millen was going to pick up his car after leaving at the night before at a friend's house so he picked me up here. Notice the names of the Uber Drivers and you get in there. I mean sure I mean I was looking at their photo. Pay Much attention to that. Not really map was one of the first of many people whose life would be affected by Jason Doll Matt. Day did have a dog aspects seat in the front seat because the dog was in the backseat. Jason took his dog for a walk before he started driving. Riders in the Uber See hopped in started off on the road. At this point. Everything was fairly normal. He did receive a telephone call and he took it over the Bluetooth Speaker. There was one of his children. How long phone call? It was rather brief. I would say maybe two three minutes. His son calling wanting to know if he wanted dinner at dinnertime he hung up the phone and things change. Then out of nowhere was like he was dealing with a completely different. That's when he slammed the gas pedal and then we were off. How fast you go again? Street is pedal to the metal. Probably seventy five hundred miles an hour down this road. I was racing for impact. Basically Jason is running stop signs. He's speeding through. Traffic is in the front seat thinking he might die or that their cars GONNA get t-boned. He wants out of that car. He was worried that he was acquainted. Make It home. He was acquainted to see his family or friends again. He was terrified house pleading for him. Stop at this point. It was like you hit that car. And he's like in. Your car is his tone normal conversation issues rather call him. He was like what's wrong with the way driving as is going seventy five miles an hour. The United Traffic Yeah. We're gone so fast right through this at one point I even thought about hitting him go. There's my friends street French street which wasn't believe past it. Just trying to get him to stop anyway. Yeah yeah basically. I was cleaning out. Random houses and I was like all my friend's house to my friend's house friend's house. Finally he likes slammed on his brakes. I heard this loud. Screeching noise in our neighborhood is normally very quiet and very subdued. There's not really any traffic so I ran out into the front yard. The Silver Chevy Equinox Kim screeching to haul in a door flew open like this guy does the tumble roll out of the car. And I couldn't tell if he had been pushed shoved or he actually jumped on the car. I see this driver. Dark heavy rimmed glasses. Crazy gray hair. He looked very agitated immediately. Take off again. Burn tires out. Call wine at that point. I was also dialing nine one one. I was just sitting car with Uber. Driver weaving in a range car. Chevy you talked only put out an alert over the radio. I wanted to just wanted to record and I understand what you're saying but I need to know if you WANNA talk to an author or if you want me to have an officer being lookout for it at the end lookout thank you. People call any rennick drivers. There's not much that the police can do unless the police witness that vehicle driving erratically themselves which unfortunately in this incident the officers did not see them. Vehicle Millan Do not wish to be contacted if there's no complainant. There's not much that the police can do when I got home. That's when I filed through the APP and context Uber which was like the Dow back in two thousand sixteen. Believe it or not there was no way for a user to immediately. Call a human at Uber in case of an emergency. Who exactly is this buber driver? Jason Dalton what do we know about to me? The most remarkable thing about him was how unremarkable he was going into February twentieth. Jason by all accounts was a fairly gregarious character. He was an insurance adjuster. He was an average person with a nine to five job in a family. He's a father like so many other midwestern father's posting pictures on facebook and you see him there with his wife and their kids on the couch remarried for over twenty years. He seem what seems like a pontoon boat and also playing in the snow with his kids to seem like a normal nice guy. Jason grew up in Indiana he moved to Kalamazoo during high school. The Co captain of the football team and he had pretty good grades throughout high school. I was the best man in his wedding. He could make conversation with just about anyone. He was not afraid to speak his mind but definitely not out to ever 'cause anybody trowel he liked to work on cars. He liked to figure out how cars worked but he also likes going on. There was a weekend ahead occurred. I believe someone stole some of his price tools and it really bothered him. It's what he said. What drove him to start collecting gloves. He owns several weapons. But not a number that were causing just go. Oh my gosh had fifteen guns at the house. Those guns were all legally owned. There was nothing to prevent Mr Dalton from owning any guns he was in possession of. I think you're GONNA find in this league many others. I don't think his ownership and the number of guns was anything unusual a frankly now before Jason Dalton had taken Matt Melon for this incredibly unusual ride Jason Dalton's Day had been completely ordinary at least for him. He met a friend and during that afternoon him and his friend visited a couple of local gun stores which was typical for them. Jason Dalton goes to the gun shop. He buys both a holster and jacket. He would be my manager. Talk to Jason. Jason was very friendly with them. Smile laughed gave them a little one arm hug as they walked towards the cash register my manager told they have a nice day and he turned and smiled and said. I'm going to enjoy the weather though that was after Matt was able to escape from the wild ride with Jason Dalton. Jason don't then when he ended up going home to his house and retrieving his weapons. At that point we know he had a glock nineteen nine. Jason also put on a bulletproof vest gets back into Chevy Equinox. He's off to pick up passengers at this time his packing heat. He's off to that fateful router. He's going to intersect with so many unsuspecting say. Things can change and a second and in this case chains like hurried up somebody fires shop the activate Zuber and he starts picking up the whole again. Eighty eight point three W C X K Kalamazoo. We hear again clouds tonight. Thirty five forty six right now working our way up to a high of fifty three Kalamazoo where it's at in western Michigan is just about halfway between Chicago and Detroit is sort of a bigger town. That still has a town feel. Kalamazoo city contains a lot of businesses. A lot of restaurants about one hundred polar plunge is fine out tonight after jumping into Turk late this afternoon. The attraction to Kalamazoo Michigan is that it is a safe mid western town with those midwestern values. The cost of living is good. You can buy a nice house within the country if you want but you're close to the city it's one of those ideal talents where parents dream about ways. It's not the kind of city where you would expect. Jason don't to go on a rampage February twentieth. I remember so vividly. Talk One. Our first one days maybe in the forties in the snow was melting. It was the break from the winner. Dionne occur others a twenty five year. Old Mom she had one daughter. I just remember happy smiling laughing. That's what the sun does to you. The first warm days here in Michigan. Because you never know when the sun might be out again for sure. Tiana's afternoon and in fact our whole life would change Jason Dalton's rude would cross her path in that on that day. Things started to seem to unravel after man. Doll those home in. He retrieves his weapons. What is so unusual about this? Is that Jason Dalton after having this terrifying ride with Matt Mellon holds back to driving deeper. Is it nothing happened? The fair Had called for a ride. Her name was Mason at the time. Us Fifteen. Macy ordered an Uber at the meadows apartment complex. Jc got the call so he headed over. The meadows is a typical Kalamazoo County condo apartment complex with a parking lot of families. Live their kids outside. Playing people were walking their animals. So when Jason showed up he was looking for the picture he saw in the account. But he didn't see her he was calling me and telling me like saying. I was giving him wrong directions and was getting upset with me and then had hung up on me just kept texting and takes day and I was like are you there. Yeh Tiana carruthers lived at the meadows complex. Where Jason Dalton comes to pick up his next fair talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time that was Tian. Carruthers was in the house. Just finishing up a workout. You know trying to get this summer and my daughter was with some young ladies and they came in like my mom. Oh we really want to go over this girl's housing joy. Can we go over her house and so I was like okay? I'll walk you over there. We'll go me her. Mom had Kanaya Adriana Salinas and myself snow's melting blue. Cross the street yes. Do you remember what you were talking about? We're just talking and laughing and all that ended when I saw. This car is speeding. Right is about to cross the street. Tiana and those kids. Jason Dalton calls peaches instantly was a fright in front of me like I was this close to this man and I just remember our dog. Barking wouldn't stop barking and saw Hannah and he approached her down the window. S If she was macy is kept asking me are you. May I said no and I said hey quite aggressively because like you're driving crazy at this point. He seems to really angry because he's having trouble his fair. This person named makes him. He speeds off after. I said No. We continue to walk but at the time I still have my eyes on him. Like just you know paying attention. He turned the car around drawback towards her. I saw a car coming fast. Slow motion in my head took the Glock model nineteen out of his pocket and as he got even with her she saw him. Pull the gun. Remember the moment you saw that gun. How could I forget the Girls Brian? No matter what you run into not come back. She had no idea that she was looking into the face of a man who was going to commit these crimes by just keep more just keeping only. It's the sunny unseasonably warm day in Kalamazoo Michigan driver. Jason Dalton's Day so I'm getting darker pulled his gun on John Carruthers. His mother was just trying to shepherd these children across the street. I'll never forget his face. I'll never forget the pain that I saw. His eyes. Never Forget. Anger Shaw him over gone. After I realized the kids were firing Nassau decision and to just start. Start shooting shooting shooting again and again and again. I guess kept hearing bullets. Just Bang Bang Bang. Bang fifteen rounds. I shot four times a then. Fill the bullets right away. It was like a bee sting. At first I ran to the door. And everybody's just kinda screaming. Someone got shot county nine. One one need an ambulance. Please hurry up somebody. Fires shots nine ten gunshots from A. You need someone here. Okay for one split second. I was like this might be a charter. Get UNDER A car. Then I realized just keep moving in fact. Just keep moving thank discontinued shoe dead myself. Thank could make you. The children are okay. Please forgive myself. I thought it was like maybe like your acts or something like hit the siding and that's when I like checked out the window I saw a car is speeding off When he pulled off I figured it was okay. To call out in are just started. Screaming are the kids advocate. Okay and then I heard a woman she wanted to know. Better kids go here then. I heard more voices. Bunch of people dislike came out and started like helping her in like are. Okay okay. I just kept telling him. I wasn't going to respond to any of their questions until I knew that the kids were OK. Okay please don't move. I've never met her. This was the first time. And it's the wrong way to meet your neighbors saw. She's very lucky. And those kids are very lucky to physically blocked some of those bullets from where those kids were going. You took those bullets with your own body to protect them daily and one of those children. I don't think I could be your child. Who's in her life? But I do it all over again how you doubt for how dispatchers fielding those panic calls from the meadows are now starting to see similarities between those calls and the call made by Matt Mellon just an hour earlier about that erratic driving both of these reports are of a man driving a super suv with a dog in the back and he's driving radically crazy but the vehicles are similar. Though with a dog the nine one one dispatcher is called Matt Millen bag high. Could you call earlier about the Uber? Driver me up from my house? You know. We're trying to get involved in another bad. Okay I I haven't named from Uber. Kate Them I did send her a picture. I remember that Of Him because they took a screen shot of his of lubar profile and send it to her with this name. It appears that there was a missed opportunity. In this case where law enforcement may be could have stepped to uber early on to identify and locate Jason. But for now Jason is still on the road. Tiana is raised to the hospital in serious condition. I remember just being any nine. Consciousness variable. Are those bullets fractured? Both of Tiana's legs her left arm and another bullet actually entered her liver. Where it still is. When you feel something moving your body As a woman you remember your baby growing inside of you and that's supposed to be a great feeling bullet traveling in your body list. Not Whatever would imagine that I would have to go. I remember being so angry because I kind of walk. You know I was a child at all over again in the newsroom. You're always listening to the scanners. You're always monitoring the scanners one thirty three seven nine. Just the advice currently taking a hall of one individual Shot High. That does drive. It male down. She's been shot several times their report shooting the initial shooting involving. Tian or others for didn't hear anymore. So that pretty much went by unreported odd during his getaway ultimately strikes a nearby. Raja Web Lady Sites Ripe Socar headed North with my wife. We were going to a place to pick up some ice cream. He came out of nowhere he just came out behind the other cars over. Parkway that red light then depending county nine one one. Oh I need an officer to come out. I would just involve an accident where a guy ran. A red light and elections. Equinox was still operable but it has some very obvious front end damage to it would have been easy especially for police officer to identify if there had been a bullet on the news that we're looking for a silver equinoxes front end damage. It was very unique. You wanted to switch cars at this point. Jason called his wife and asked her to meet him at his parents home. He gave her a God. Said Not GonNa tell you what I'm going to do but when you watch the eleven o'clock news tonight you'll know that it was. After Jason Dalton shocked Janaka others then sped off driving radically sideswiped a car and then went and met his wife at his parents house. His parents spend time Outta state. They weren't home at the time he started having a conversation with his wife which she thinks is very strange completely out of character for him he told a story to explain. The damage to their vehicles told her that he was shot. At by CABDRIVER. I made some statement and they don't like Uber Drivers. He went not look her in the eye. He refused to look for an active paranoid. He went into the House retrieved a Taurus handgun in tucked in her waist. Band said you need to. You need to keep this on you. He also told her just to stay with the kids and not to leave the house. He said you can't go to work on Monday. Can't take the kids to school on Monday? Totally out of character for him and she was the wilder she didn't know what was going on or why he was talking about. She had never seen anything like that from him. He said I'm not gonNa tell you what I'm GonNa do but when you watch the eleven o'clock news tonight you'll know that it was me. I don't know that there was anything that she could ever should've done in that moment looking back at it now it. That's the place where you say. I wish she would have done something different. And then he left originally. There was a Humvee at the home that he wanted to take. However when car wouldn't start. He took a different car. That belonged to his parents at dark-colored Chevy hr in this dark colored hr so now the person they were looking for who was involved in shooting in this silver equinoxes was in that car anymore. Switches Gums God? Other seen didn't work took back Glock Model Mateen left on his work bench and Brad. The baltar nine millimeter and went back out. He took so he's already shot this woman he doesn't even know if she's alive. You probably assume she's dead and these picking up people and dropping people off. Just think about that. Some of these writers said really the only thing that was unique about their ride was. They're keeping an eye out for a silver equinox. Here comes a guy in a dark. Hr and he said Oh. Yeah I'm Jason. I'm the guy you're looking for. Sorry had car trouble something like that and they get in the car. One passenger said that he was listening to the radio sending long being one of those people Matt Hooper. Can you imagine without would have been like for them? I can't I can't even. It's just something that you would in a million years thing and all around Kalamazoo unsuspecting families have no idea what Jason Belton is up to or that he could pose a danger to the community. We're talking about families like the smiths were about to have their own encounter with Dalton at local car dealership when you think of people who live in Kalamazoo County you think of the Smith family. Mom Laurie Dad. Bridge Son Tyler daughter. Emily close-knit very tight family branch. The life of the Party my brother and my dad third personalities were identical. They were super close seventeen. He was a soccer player. Very carefree attitude thought that nothing could touch him. When I first met Alexis his first true love. They were just inseparable. I told him I said Tyler. Don't you dare break her heart? She is a sweet girl he realized. Yeah you're right. Tyler and rich Smith were headed to the KIA dealership to look at treks. My brother wanted to have a vehicle that he could take up on the dunes. I was out with friends and my phone battery had died by ended up getting sick and not feeling well and so I went home and I went to bed when rich and tyler went to car lot to look at trucks. His girlfriend Alexis stayed in the car in the back seat. Rich and tyler. I started looking at the trucks. That tyler had been looking at and wanted to show them. Can you imagine being a seventeen year old and going to a car lot with your dad and that excitement in how happy they were? What an exciting time. This was for them. Jason Dalton has just dropped off some passengers when he spots a father and son checking out some trucks and he goes on them and starts heading their way nine one one commercial one business ninety four we passed the Kia dealership and we just passed with somebody shooting a gun at two people lying on the ground. It's been about four and a half hours since Jason Dalton Shanty carruthers and at this point. He's actually been thinking of other passengers. Switches cars switches. Gunson meets with his wife and now he's pulling to a local car dealership used car. Lots in the car are that. It's a very busy intersection and is a pretty popular dealership. It's considered a safe area in Kalamazoo and Tyler was gone out looking at trucks during the day and then he was going to go back and show rich them. We hated dealing with car salesman so we always went after hours. Richard and Tyler Smith Sealy for stadium drive under a bright light looking at Ford F. One fifty pickup truck. It's this electric blue color. Kitschy our attention. As you're driving by there with Tyler's girlfriend Alexis Cornish. Who's sitting in the CAR team out taxes? Cold outside Tyler in Richard. Looking at the trucks when Jason Dotson pulls up chasing gets out of the car. This is different from the other seeds. He walked up to Tyler. Instead of what they were looking at turned around and relate the blue trim go Hi We just drove by the KIA. What what what are we on ninety four business on a guy just shot in the parking lot Jason Doll walked up to them and then started to shoot and shoot and shoot round after round after round and tell each other each of them sixteen shell casings on the scene. One shot nine times. One Shot Seven Times Doc. By the so he can look at me. That's the most terrifying thing in my mind. Alexis Korner's hiding in the back seat of a car wondering how many seconds she had left in her life. The Range Rover parked headlights on sitting there. Jason Dalton is just steps away from Alexis human. Hit THE BLACK MEDICAL. Hugh went to try and open the door to that they call. It was locked. He turned around. She didn't have a cell phone so just think what her glowing. Screen have called attention to Jason. Her life spared. That out of the car looked around see if I could see shadows wanting grab talent shone out of his pocket in called emergency in your daddy's got shot the first auto group on the ground. Yes okay fan the phone gotta get officers out okay. I'm an apartment complex literally less than a half mile away across the street from the scene from Auburn Lights on a win over and the The person that was shooting knows. I just turned. 'cause we heard gunshot could see the smoke from in gone and here it is. We drove by where we have several officers on the way. Okay one tweets officers just pulling in my head. I'm midst preparing myself for a real shooting. Possibly suspect still their it. New move onto checking for. There's any sites life checking pulses. Obviously still keep in mind. You may be suspect in the area and I'm by myself at that point. You know sometimes when you buy yourself it feels like forever. After I identify the victims were deceased. I saw female unfold in the backseat. He okay where eighteen and okay so you ran off down. Won't be viewable arrange over vehicle vehicle director behind the KEA building. When officers arrived female was patted down for weapons. A Lotta Times callers suspects. We treated everyone as a potential danger. Very very calm but she wasn't panicking but she was inside the building. Jason Dolton is just shot carruthers. He is also just murdered in cold blood. This father and son Tyler Enrich Smith now. He's back out there on the loose. No one knows raise headed to the dealership prideful to go to Canada. I was probably the fourth or fifth officer on scene here. I knew that my job when I got here was the dog out and now we're told that he left on foot so my job was to track him around. The building was an easy for your dog. Boaty to pick up the scent. Yeah actually was we. We locked onto the relatively quickly The order was still fresh and was not hasn't been that long since the crime had occurred. Lead you we track. Basically from where the victims were found. We're right past the KIA dealership. The track ended their consumed. He got into a vehicle and being able to take your son to a car. Live and dream about what could be when I think about that and what happened. It's really unbearable to think about the police officer got there. And so he's like I'm sorry man by your husband and your son were shot. And they didn't make and then I screamed and then I had Saddam Isis. My twin sister I said you know the father and son that were shot at Sealy and she just started freaking out. Then she's like no no it's not. It was incredibly cold blooded at father and a son shot a teenage girl hiding in the car and fifteen minutes later. A call comes in multiple at the cracker barrel parking lot. It was a madhouse. People were terrified. Kalamazoo is a city with low cry and so imagine as this crime spree went on and on police. Were just overwhelmed. Move Tera must've been enhanced because at first everybody was looking for Silver Chevy Equinox Greg that it's a chevy. Hr completely different vehicles. Please say that. They didn't know that the scenes were connected at people were picked. What is going on in Kalamazoo County when the big question? Everybody wants to know is why what could possibly explain this. He starts talking about the devil and red black and then he said something. You've not going to believe took over. Cinderella deactivates Zuber. That's when the horror begins all of a sudden you hear power power. The alleged gunman is an uber driver from being a normal man. No criminal history to killing all of these people in one night thinking. Let's get another shooting just not going to tell you what I'm GonNa do. Watch the eleven o'clock news tonight. You'll know that it was literally took on her body over. I just talent booker. Devil head the Devil Ted. How is that not madness? It's been about five hours of terror in Kalamazoo. Jason Dalton has shot a young mother. She's fighting for her life. He's murdered a father and his son just minutes later. Five more people are shot. Kim County nine one. One I'm at Kalamazoo CAC around. There's been gunshots car. Okay hold get anybody could have been shot up. I had just lay down in bed when my cell phone went off that we had quadruple homicide though bill and saw two male subjects waving me down trying to get my engineer went over to to park vehicles which ended up being the two victims vehicles hurt. This is the third shooting that day and it's a tragic ending to what it started out as an ordinary night for a group of old friends. Mary Lou Nine Mary Jo Nye. Judie Brown Barbara. Hawthorne and a little girl who considered Barbara Her grandmother Abby cough had gone to a live performance at a theatre abbey was around a lot of older women to hang out with barb and all her friends she was adopted. Bake Bar Gremlin Barber taker car games or tour sewing class or whatever Barbara. Hawthorne was a retired worker from Kellogg's the cereal maker Mary Jo. Nye was a schoolteacher and her sister in Law Mary Lou. Ni- WHO's retired employees from Linda? Department of motor vehicles in Michigan. My wife May Heckman Apple Pie. Nobody's ever may want better. As far as I'm concerned. Judy Brown was a caregiver for senior citizens she took care of older people met at cracker barrel. Dinner took one car and my wife didn't like drive anymore chair too so after having a wonderful time together the women and abby returned to the cracker barrel parking lot Mary Lou. Nye was in her Van. The other women in the girl. Abby were in the Car Jason Dalton drives up and opens fire on Mary Lou. Ni- in Her van. The women respond. You know are hysterical. And then that's when he opened fire on the other car shooting all of them. So you go up to the cars and I saw one victim in the driver's seat of the minivan and then I saw I saw three subjects in the sedan. Thank you heard Barbara talking to dispatch on the phone so ran around the right side only Information Cape as so trooper. Dna as talking to Barbara in the back right. He's trying to help her out. Guess what point do you notice that there? Is something actually living alive in the front seat? Sergeant Nielsen comes up and we both happen to look at the same time and seeing there was something moving. He opens the door and sees abby in the Floorboard of the car. We see that she has an obvious gunshot wound to the head. We knew that we needed to try to stop the bleeding and try to preserve as much as we could. We could packager up so that when the ambulance got here that we could get hurt on their way to the hospital. I believe we are on the first ambulance Got Her out of there right away. Pay Barbara was still talking with us. Jesse tried to help herself. Out of the vehicle She was actually still conscious and talking when ambulance staff. Probably my aunt called me. She asked me if I heard from Barbara Abbey and I said No. I've tried calling on that. I haven't and she said of all those crazy out income zueschen shooting spree my heart song because I kept texting them. There is no response. Kept calling her cell phone messages. I've tried calling my sister cell phone and of course on both on the I was getting just fake voicemail. We had cell phones from all of the and like we always do. It removed them and set them on the roof of the car. And I still remember to this day. All seem like they were ringing at the same time you got. The black dirt flew surveillance video from both the cracker barrel and that car dealership show that the shooter is driving an HR. What police don't know is that he is the same person who was called in the Radic Uber driver in the Silver Chevy Equinox and Jason continues to go on and Dr Zuber and pick up passengers throughout the night the house rain and it was about an outward midnight but she subtler from Bronze Mother did. She said I'm trying to find the parents of Abigail. That is our mother. I said what's happening. What's going on. And that's when she told me she was shot in the Hatton. Her comment was that you need to get up here some. It's possible because she's going to make it through the night breaking news coming in out of Kalamazoo County right now after the shooting at the cracker barrel that when the live news coverage begins as people try to figure out what's going on please have responded to reports of a shooting here at the cracker barrel. Currently we have three here in to being treated for life threatening injuries at Bronson as I was falling asleep. I saw that there was a shooting them within the half an hour. We got a phone call. They said come down we have Barbara at the hospital. We need you come down by the half hour drive randwick. Almost every red light made it towards the hospital and they had the hospital walk down. That was already such a random series of events. How do you know that this shooter? If you live in that area isn't gonNA show up in your street on your street and start shooting at you. Two people were afraid they want loving people and I. I was called down here to see my aunt. Can you tell me what she's here for? And they said well she's been shot and there was no. There's no story in my head that would lead to aunt Barbara ever getting shot. They walked us up to this room in the Icu that's what. I saw happy for it. I think COUPLA hours later she tried to do that was worth it to see the letter. Go though it was meant to be. It was meant to be the appointment sort of household bananas and I loved her. So everybody can hit me on. This is normal as if you can hear me. I said give me a sign and she squeezed me part very tense situation in Kalamazoo County. Multiple people have been shot and killed search. Definitely a serial killer. We have multiple crews on the scene. A white male in his fifties. At this point we know that there are multiple shootings. There are still questions. Is this one person. What's the connection between these women and the cracker barrel a father and son in a car dealership parking lot and a young mother and the parking lot of her condominium complex? Everyone was starting to really panicked. People were back what is going on in Kalamazoo County. We know. This is terrifying all police. That are possible to collect are on this tonight then. Fear and panic in the community is not at all unreasonable. Because what they don't know is at Jason. Dolton is back in his car and he's picking up passengers again. Their streets were just asked the public to be extra vigilant. Not Approaches individual Saturday night in Kalamazoo. People were out eating dinner at bars. Planning to take an uber and as this is going on shooting after shooting after incident poured starts to spread. My Dad said the guy was driving Chevy. Hr in the car said a Chevy Equinox. I Dunno know maybe I could be him but I always had this feeling now that I shouldn't get in the car. They didn't get into the car with it but other passengers did and they later told the media that not only did they ride with Jason Dalton but they asked him point blank if he was the shooter like half Harder League got him and said are you and he said no shirt. No I'm just tired. Scott actually sends said Hey. This isn't being chased arguing that the guy area and you kind of know would seem so unique about this red which is that. Jason Dalton seems to toggle between this murderous rage and just calmly driving passengers. There is even surveillance video that shows Jason Dalton dropping off riders at a hotel up the reason that law enforcement hasn't caught up. Jason Dalton hasn't yet made the connection between the rampage shooter in the Dark Age. Hr and the Radic Uber driver in the Silver Chevy folks. This was a cold blooded killer an active shooter that was on the loose thinking. It's going to be another shooting. Yeah that was their fear. We look for the suspect. White Male Aka. John signed the guys that were working for me to star monitoring the downtown district on any given night. There's hundreds of people out walking around. I would start checking the look into the Kalamazoo News and that's when I started reading about shooting cracker barrel said so many dead one person one injured. I was just hoping the Mary was one of those injured. Going to the show that night turned out to be the last outing for this group of friends. The four women were shot and killed turned on the Porch Light and sat in that chair until six o'clock in the morning or whatever it is. The state policeman showed up to give me the official news. A mother was shot and killed oil. Still trying not to believe and the doctor and it's just like the movies come in and say you know I hate to tell you this but your hands then. There's very surreal abby surrogate grandmother. Barb has just passed away and in that same hospital little. Abby is given up on life and her death is reported on live. Tv unfortunately the other female teenager fourteen years old has passed away as well. Unhook from living later received. They started hall and stuff out of the room. They put a blanket almost neck and that way. We started saying goodbyes. I I told her I heard something I told the nurse of I thought she had her feet others came over to check. During that at that point she was smacking buttons on people were Flying Badge in. They had her all back up again so it was actually in saying goodbye to her that you actually realize you still alive. And at that point I was holding his hand and I made everyb- you can hear me. So this is as give me a sign. And she scrapes. I knew right there. She was back and she was GonNa fight like Holy Hell. It has been eight hours of complete terror in Kalamazoo. Jason Dolton has killed six people to others clinging to life in area hospitals but with Dalton doesn't know is that now police are closing in on him. You start to patrol again around midnight. Things start to heat up. I contacted a friend of mine sergeant Harrison and Tim and I were talking and he says I think I heard radio traffic advising that. He's showing a black. Hr that just left on the bars downtown. Sound like they're right at me and within minutes I saw the black. Hr coming towards me and followed by hairs believe he was the eighth or ninth Black Chevy. Hr We'd stopped the vehicle turned onto ransom street which plant curse. I excite him and activated when he came to a stop he just fat vehicle okay boating and I got up behind Sergeant Harrison. We got up to the side. In case for some reason he decided to flee foot. You had no idea whether or not he would start opening fire on you absolutely not. We just assume police were expecting the worst next year. So we're side by side windows down trading post in contact with the driver. You got him on the card. He said that the Friskin gone. He's caught in the Chevy Chase. The gun that killed the people at the cracker barrel and Sealy in his pocket. Replace Dan and I found a bullet was pockets surrendered to them peacefully. I can't believe then he didn't want to go at it. We're talking with Dr. Then we put them in a patrol car. Jason Dolton is now headed interrogation. These detectives probably heard everything. But not this those who over was like he was up Jason Dalton now sitting in this squad car arrested after this shooting spree. And he's headed to the first of two police interogations been served budget per protocol search. They are trying to figure out why is happening. What was the motive Jason Act? Okay how does he react to you? He was very soft spoken very average. Jason Dalton's demeanour was docile. I would say passive. What would you like to do right now? The real key and getting people to talk to you is getting them to feel comfortable. And the police start with very mundane nice approach. Get him talking. You See. We'll see you soon to be over or human thank you. We try to then hysterically beginning of his day. I Ain't going on in twenty four hours the aggressive at all. He just chose not to answer some of our questions. He keeps pleading the fifth. I don't WanNa talk about it. I don't WanNa give you particulars. What would you like to talk about? But as time goes on he becomes more comfortable once. He starts to finally given scare specifics of what happened that day. He started talking about this moment. He had his first passenger of the day Matt Melon. Once he has Mellon in the car he starts driving erratically. Mister Melon obviously is getting extremely upset. A celery I'll the what Hill Carter hit. Each detail is important because it's another piece of the puzzle in this entire crime where you have multiple crime scenes in turn the car and then you got a apartment complex and came across a black female. I know why are you assume is how you survive? Would so bizarre about this interrogation is that it seems that Dalton is marveling at his own handiwork and there was absolutely no emotion there was no fluctuations voice rush as he goes on he reveals details that we did not know previously such as when he approached Mary Lou. Ni- at the cracker barrel parking lot. Excuse me Yeah Berdon. Person Burst Voice. Change his voice changed drastically. Shallow girl felt badly for the child in the family of a child but he didn't express any remorse for anybody else. This that's the part. He said that he's not a killer but he knows he's killed. During the course of the interrogation police spent a lot of time trying to get Dalton to explain to them why he chose these particular victims but Dalton said it was all random connection between all you can actually for you. We just kept asking him why what happened. What what happened in your life to make you do this third. Finally after a long pause you had quite the response. My name is Harry Campbell and I'm the founder of the rideshare. It's a blog podcast and YouTube channel for Buber Uber and lift drivers. I've heard a lot of stories from people out on the road but never anything as crazy as what Jason Dalton told. The police retail obviously goal of these detectives is to get to motivation. What drove Jason Dolphin to commit these crimes? The one thing that no one in this entire country will ever forget is a killer who says he was motivated by an UBER APP but it literally over and it made no sense to anyone that the uber APP would take over him and force him to go on this shooting spree. This is the APP as it looked in two thousand sixteen. Jason Nelson was driving for Uber. Driver right yes. He remembers seeing the symbol of the eastern star. And that started this whole thing eastern starlight Masonic Jason Golden Talks about the eastern star. Yup I mean could this has been the eastern star Hexagon. The minute is Axa. This part I think really looks like part of the eastern star. These are trying goals. But I think it's kind of mind games where you see what you want. See what with some I? I just found the devil head. Sorta like four or cowhand urged that. That's where on believable. Nobody believed Jason talked about seeing a devil somewhere. You have any idea what he was talking about. So this is actually the Uber logo at the time on the passenger out to me. It looks like you but I think Jason Dalton and may have been the devil horns right here at the top Jason's not the first person that come up with this totally absurd justification for killing someone that was scooter thing when it takes you over. Usually as a story went on about what he said happened. He said the UBER APP changed from red to black and that he got an assignment so it was like he was a puppet read. When I first started took the really has control. What's he talking about? I'm not really sure? Yeah I mean the only thing I can think of when he said that is the surge pricing and whenever their search pricing? You're GONNA see large swath of red on the driver. It looks like most of the screen is read as you can see in the APP. I mean there's not much black. There are a couple times where there's going to be a little more black on the screens is what a ride request. Looks like this point. There's a lot more black on the screen. I wasn't believing any of it. But if it's something that's GonNa make him talk. You're not gonNA WANNA shut down due breaks the phone. I understand what those saying. Hi I believe that when Dane means yes to being seen so when you get a request from passenger you hear a dinghy no one or two ways. It'll keep digging for ten or twelve seconds unless you screen to accept the ride. He said he was hearing. These sounds coming from the phone and he said that was reason why he did not shoot the police officers pull over eighteen. It was weird. He says the APP went from being black. Back to being read from lack. It was back I had life is making it up as he was going on. How do you go from being a normal man? No criminal history to killing all of these people in one night. I remember both his mom and dad just crying saying we just spend Christmas with many misfire or many people. Most of us. I suppose have some coma subtle idea. We obviously don't act on D. Get from thinking about that too actually doing that. There's usually some event some trigger. Digest Dalton have merit trouble not that we're did Jason Dalton. Have any no emotional trouble not that we were not criminal record. Jerem financial problems now that we know was extremist of any kind. There's no evidence in my view. There's nothing obvious to sort of that stands out. Can you really sit here and say what caused station to do that? And I think the answer is we just so is using the excuse as an Uber App away to be thinking. Helen Insanity Defense Uber App. Was He that smart and I think the detectives also thought that that this guy is keen. The ball up of I'm not in my right mind and I might be able to get out of this. That's the problem is. He's so rational throughout the entire interview. He's basically blows his cover store for Jason. The next step is facing a judge in court victims. GonNa have to figure out how to move on. And she walked in and tip shed this untouched. It and she said people were heartbroken over. And if you help us. They felt helpless so they could do was mobilize community one of the survivors of fourteen year. Old Girl Abigail cough still days after the shooting. There was very little hope that she was going to survive. She had plate put into her head because her skull was blown apart. There were so many ups and downs her recovery. But then here's this'll key wave doing rehabilitation at the Mary. Free bed hospital and we see her lying in her hospital bed with that smile and then seeing the images of her learning to walk again good job she was shot in the head and this little girl refused to up things died and my mom was a basket case. She set my bed the whole eight days five days however long every. She sat there waiting for me smile when she saw you open. Your eyes again. Is it happy motive? I remember crying happy tears and then a couple of weeks later I said what happened to me in. The doctor said don't trigger. How'd it and she walked in and said done your shot and I liked this untouched. Patrick in the bullet shattered my skull. She cried and she didn't say anything at that point a couple of hours later. She'd asked me again. What happened to me because she can remember Jane? Did you have to go through the same reaction of her? Yes absorbing crying in each time are your memories from before the shooting foggy. Yes especially my past younger. That's gone gone. I asked about environment. I find that she was shot. I almost lost it. I did lose it. What's your last memory of being with her? Hugs shed the bugs in the best lab. If it wasn't for her I wouldn't be here. I miss her unconditionally every single day. Have you watched any of the news with seen Jason Golden Kiss Standing? Sometimes I like to trade places with him where he could add wind and I could be normal but not in jail. The first time I was one client I wasn't ready. It was an early hearing all the emotions. Were still very raw to everyone. From the moment he sat down and I I was just a few feet from at the time you could tell there was something not right about him. Miss carruthers was afraid. She was going to walk into a courtroom and face. A man who had shot fifteen rounds at her who had changed her life forever. Please the court call for others trying to prepare myself and to to those you know you have to do the. I was the only one who really talked to this man and if I was GonNa play him away then I needed to step up to and I was like he has no control. He had to control at that time. Then what happened? I've seen coming in at a solid car. O bags the people they have. These black fans are gave black black people and you get real people then. That's who you're turning 'cause you received Okay do we need to take a minute says it took to took me? Right back? Town became obvious that he was at the very least trying to emotionally terrorize a witness and barry properly very quickly. The deputies moved in was talking about some obscure things like black plastic bags in the old people. And it seems these ramblings of a madman it seems awfully convenient right if you put them in a situation where now he can say some nonsense. That doesn't make any sense and that will support this idea that something's going on until he exploded the moment. I think so I agree for someone to have lived a completely normal life for forty plus years and then one day do everything that is counter to what normal same people do. How is that not madness? Whether or not. It's an act of madness or act. The same person is different. From the legal standard of what makes you criminally responsible for your actions. The fact that he changed cars the fact that he changed guns the fact that he put on a bulletproof vest that shows that he knew what he was doing that shows that he knew his actions were wrong. There is no other way of defending this case other than for him to make up some story about mental Elman's. He has zero history of mental illness. This isn't how mental illness works. That you have a sudden onset. Where at five o'clock in the afternoon on Saturday February twentieth you become overwhelmingly mentally ill and unable to control your actions and then it turns off at midnight and you surrender to the police and it never happens again. That's not how this works as the trial date do near there is anxiousness. Is Justice going to be served then the prosecutors get a call that no one was expecting a shock to everybody this for quite a while as the Child. Eight do near anxiousness. What's going to happen. So Action Begins Tomorrow in the murder. Trial Jason Dalton. This trial is about to start and then suddenly what everybody had been expecting. Jason Dalton is going to somehow try to plead insanity goes away. Figures influence These last few days by his family. Jason a phone call with his mother where he told her. It was going dead over there. Stop it I was surprised and a little bit shocked because I was getting Oliver Material. Ready to go to trial and I gotta text from the Prosecutor's office. Doing this voluntarily wanted this for quite a while but he plea guilty we did not expect a guilty plea from Jason Donald Matt Day. He goes psychological professionals head examined. Mr Dalton and did not find that he met the legal standards interesting. Some Jason Dalton might still think that he had been controlled by the devil hoover APP however his attorney said that's not GonNa hold up in court because nobody believes that certainly possible you Jason Bryan Daulton sentenced to cured of life in prison without the possibility of parole. I reported on lots of horrible things. But this is what the sequence of events and these families and these victims. It'll stay with me forever. I've lost the woman I've been married for forty one years and I lost my little sister. You are nothing but a pile of worthless evil worthless where you mad walks to shoot them over and over and over again until they don't move. I've tried to hit you. I've tried to. Hey you applause replay and relive every single moment. You try to kill us off you failed. I'm standing here right here in your face in front of you. How does it make you feel that we give me to make you feel me? Please got into Berkeley. Where are the answers? We know there are victims. We know an Uber. App is blamed but it is frustrating. Why did this happen? We may never know what we do know is that Dalton says it all started with an Uber tells. Abc safety is a priority now. When you're taking an uber you can reach nine. One one directly through the APP Uber tells us it now has would. It calls a critical safety response line. It's a phone number that allows a user to directly reach goober in case of emergency but it only launched this feature two years after the shooting. Could it be easier? If if there were reason they wouldn't even feel better. I don't understand why me why you mean why had become barb. We Wilton deserving. She always wanted to go on a hot air balloon ride so I took her ashes to Sedona and when a hot air balloon and left her out there in the desert. So she's right where she wanted to be. We always believe that she's GonNa me. We may discuss what to do when I died. We never really can't believe what I would do. I don't WanNa go grocery shopping because I ended up picking up things for getting. They're not here and so it was just painful. Don't want them to be remembered by. Oh that's the people that got killed by the Uber driver. I want them to remember. 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Racing Postcast: Irish Oaks 2019 | ITV Racing at Newbury, Newmarket & Market Rasen | Weekend Tips

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Racing Postcast: Irish Oaks 2019 | ITV Racing at Newbury, Newmarket & Market Rasen | Weekend Tips

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That's James Ryan of we got coming up with got seven races on Saturday on ITV's three. We've also got the Irish oaks in which the King Rife Becker is going to have the one to you heard it here first and then on Sunday we will look ahead to some more action on Kara involvement a couple of group races the boys have got all the best bets from all the other meetings flat and jumped so we will kick off then with four aces on like I say three slightly unfamiliar surroundings bump show you can find it as far as Newbury the first us to which is the one fifty the three six five stakes known as the Stephenson stakes back in the day over ten furlongs and how do Patty Pelvic James Fox German is our favorite even money followed by on the street. One first nations for two thousand fourteen ninety two's first of all before we get stuck in. I want to know how confident Evans D._J.. You inflame for you have very competent. I had a good day tip and in the paper on Wednesday nights winter thirteen eighteen to eleven to two so yeah Jason Nelson Chipper you in the winners right now. We're doing okay at the moment could good couple of opportunities tomorrow so looking forward to get into a now mind signing the upbeat mood no. I'm I mean absolutely shocking foam yeah terrible. I can't remember the last time I take to winning the paper. <hes> I think at one win or the live tips in about the last six shifts and that was not to fool <hes> massive struggle with the moment every resignation today everything that run the tape just runs terribly. Although the one thing I will say is that you know when you're going for a bad period. You've got a for that period where they run terribly. I think come through that period then you get a period where they start to run well but then they losing agonizing fashion fashion and I mean that period you back to finish coming back to form then after that agonizing defeat stage you get the witness okay right. I think you're GonNa have winners and you're GONNA kick it off with the one fifty energy what who is it yeah yeah which is nice and easy race to start off with because the favorite will win this race Fox chairman. These should price well. I understand that he's like the Absolute Bee's knees boardings. You know like there's no you can get close to him. Even that Bangkok thing they've got the finish second to Japan or less folks chairman apparently absolutely different grade in this. It's been unlock use Disney this year and he got caught needs so I'd row when he was beyond was it so dragon at Chester was traveling and when the Dragon I just took off these outside Iran owns a for they lost time hours similar sort of story asked where he got beyond the founder suits above room running and then sang areas came flying down the outside and by the time folks chairman go out <hes> couldn't catch that the winner but you still beat the rest hardly that was on soft ground over Monico soft ground which it could be. It's worth mentioning as low as we can have to take a rain check. If you don't just see where we are in the morning because is off the weeks wakes lovely weather and good to firm it looks out with might be dealing with your words soft. Mine does look that way and plenty for the West as well down the new breed so they've got quite heavy full cost less if it does go on the soft side at won't be a problem for folks chairman. He should win right. Gerald's kicked off for the very confident case for Fox chairman in one fifty D._J.. Echo Gerard's confidence or you're gonNA take the jolyon unbelievably. We're tipping the same Horse Bruce yet to me when I've been looking traders rates all week I've been I I really strange that he hasn't gone odds on because it was ready. Two hundred seventy is getting the three year old allowance and it was actually against Circus maximus study around the stakes chester. He was really lucky day now. We wouldn't have one but he would have gotta go closer but like the form of the race is absolutely not rock-solid Mohawk was second Mohawk. One Mellon stakes represented an ice and obviously circus maximus went down to into Saint James is politics and the Hampton court sakes like scenario Scott I thrown and it was just a case of I don't think Sylvester to that in wrong just went down in avenue to just wasn't going to open and he was looking again but the excuses won't wash air because he won his maiden at Newbury and he's got the long home strays they're going to be potentially in the middle of detract is going to be plenty of space. He's still simply the best horse in the race <hes> there's no way he'll be money. I think he should be four to six and I think you go off a bit that James what you think you'll go for and you think you're win. Yeah I do think I think you'll go off and not charge. There was how start by vice smile bischoff short body as moment some of that I think on this is a very talented horse but just concept or the concept that just very hard for them to get back. You know get actually settled again when we start raising the future so kind to give him any open first nations Salvador's so I think folks Germans bearded the best so these it'd be very hard to these okay to twenty-five stairs honey cup over two malls and half of funding. It's the Marsh Cup James Hardie Party Powell bear on this one. How when is our ninety two favorite followed by withhold five to one the grand vizier zero six to one <unk> thirteen to dares wins ten to one cordially on two hundred twelve to one by interesting race this D._J.? Not just in as a spectacle in itself but also some pointers for someone that big stanchion coming up yet. I'm over one. I'm here I found for Toscano nurture kings. I taught tumble in place. It was the first thing the number two miles and Jane Elliott Road Him and it was just a case of all. We're not sure if he's going to stay to chip so we're just gonNA give them a chance to stay in the trip. He was held up at the back. I still think he was last turned into the home straight. He absolutely flew home. You sometimes can get soaked into these really fast finishers when when when when basically those upfront of self enough soften 'em each other up and Seema Fema flew home but it looked like he got every yard of trump and his two wins have been a Haydock on doncaster and I will consider them seminar sort attracts newbury long home straight and I'd imagine he won't be ridden with as much restraint here given that they know he stays now. He's only GonNa pay for the plate Rome. Which I thought was very very fair and to me? He's the real improve the race equal be really kind of Ebor type and for me I think he's price accordingly <unk> Shema for me joins. WHO's your fancy Akron data? You just said I wouldn't be shocked. <unk> favored reaping keeping <unk> we can be going to go bitch <unk> to win the market tumbles and like classroom to three horses that gained from the back that day for kings advice and making miracles on himself things advices authentic made one against it was really hard to make that day and I'm for Shema finished <unk> Finish Bashar section. was that a lot of the horses on the I should've won the race only turned over and I'm C.. Richardson's go taken odor which is which is positive. I think it'd be very odd to beat eight new capitulated what he is now with very unified star. Everyone's agreeing with each other. You'RE GONNA kate that train going Graham. Oh very boring. They're really no. I want to be price in this race Temple Church he absolutely he loves the coast. <hes> he won that Hanes Hanson and Clark conditions race. They you know that famous one or the good old she got one that yeah yeah and was naive and some of those and <hes> and then came back to new Brie and he won the AH last September on soft ground over modern half <hes> and then he came back to new brief to runs ago run an absolute storm of their finishing sixth some reason the track just really seems to sue enmity handle soft ground and he's going down in the ways. He's I think he's he can only best foamy could easily blow these away for free to one you take a chance on him. Coming back to form the coach at a very sick grime rightly group action at Newbury is taking place at three o'clock the batteries I five Hackwood stikes James What's the latest at the ten minutes ninety four favorite followed by condemn ninety two Snozzi jazzy six to one projection seventy nine to one bar and the good old Tin Caen win joins ECON indeed. I think I think he's going to be very hard to be here like a lot of these aren't permanent coming into this on the greatest form the only thing if there was a rain couple years of course I think he's coming in the very best <unk> on the diamond surly. I thought he cut it looked like he needed to ruins at Windsor. UNDERLAW Scott. I can see coming on again didn't get the clean weight room three not the star of the racism. There's McCain before Oh. She Ain't GonNa drop demand so hard thing he couldn't prove again. I just think he's he's <unk> different class to allow these compete at the proper chronic to speak arson year whenever announces your tree costs are so I wouldn't be surprised either if he went out to pitcher don one nine nine. That's the one for Meiji wrote if it rains but you gotTa love the ten year. You'RE GONNA go for him. No no not in the tin you got. You can't just I know he's one of the coast always best foam is really escort and he's being came Erin. I'm al-Nafees. Take him on that. It's one of those interesting races where you've got like the real established sprinters the teen and on the wine and old is and you got the lot erase for euros coming in on the Nathan one of those coke my only recall mission one for a whole race last time out yoke one one of those three year old handicapped sprint handicap so they have you'll can their ways devilishly difficult to win. You have to be pretty smart so win and he won quite nicely made most of the running showed loads and loads of speed one is on his w heavy ground so if the rain comes it won't be an issue overseas. Go absolutely lows the fine with those at the top of the market but he's a lightly-raced for euro. We don't now a good years. He could be up to anything he might be up to improve. He's a big enough price for me to take a chance on recall mission. You'RE GONNA pop D._J.. Projection Bruce I know you'll see foreign figures of zero zero but I think a key thing here thome strap on for the first time a projection which I think will help him and he was only beating ahead in the race last year by after dream dream of dreams was tired so that form has worked rally went onto featuring of dreams of ask later on in the season. I taught in the diamond jubilee it was I know detainment was unlucky as well but he was constantly hamper projection from an early stage. When he went left he was kind of he was hemmed in and when he went right he was hemmed in now he was very disappointing but I think this track this trip this race this time of year and this this you're gonNA see projection is made up here? If if he's not up to Ronan while here I will forget about them but I think everything is in his favor favor so projection for me. Roddy three forty is the weather be super sprint two year olds five furlongs loads and loads of prize money and James Take us through Patty Powell's latest betting and we're finalizes is on Ventura revelers or sixty four favors by never embarrassed to one mighty spirit to on M._t._v. h. one taxi waller twelve to one and fourteen to one gene for some reason. I just don't like this race. I don't know why just gets leads edge of attention and they put this money out but it doesn't Redo it for me but practice you can invigorate mine with a winner yeah it's one of those weird races and where they get waited on their price in yeah strange one that I mean commission not that one Ventura ripple the favorite it was going to be episode of the two Ronnie's where they do mastermind as the question before before the three Ventura. Rebel yeah heads the market and second beyond that that Ali lost time out at Ascot. She loved that one because they went all he went past the person that Ali Bouma you know from years Nope Ali Boom My league Bouma you know from the boxy years ago. Who is it the rumble in the jungle one of those so when he went pasta line? I'm back to you now. That was my celebration post. <hes> obviously testing <hes> that obviously sets a standard on phone but I couldn't be back in this price against twenty five <hes> young unexposed to your old who could be absolutely everything anything and one of those is never in Paris for a coal burke was wildly impressive. I I'm out on debut. She really while strong the finish quite a big strong looking fairly <hes>. Here's the current quite hard so I think that any right move sue and she bolted up that he she'd be exclusive. busiv trained Boy Archie Watson chime quite a decent level and I think that never in Paris is open enough open to enough improvement to be the favorite venture a rebel prices never in Paris James and it is is our second favorite at six to one okay David Jennings of you got for us. You hate this race. I actually local high remember back in just never leads anywhere. It's not like something can call wow this. This is GonNa be really interesting Sofala. It's just one of thingy it's just from a financial point of view. I know what because tiggy when she won Bengali boys was another winner right back and actually Miss Danvers as well so I've actually got a decent record in the race book. I think failed one here at a massive price now obviously potty power absolutely fantastic everything about Patty parent they sponsored this podcast. They have price Horsey or twenty two one which is available for forty toward in shops elsewhere. I would advise the people to maybe get on this forty two one because I think it's a huge price about clay regazzoni far keep doug leashes at four winners in the last week so it was team or indecent farm and still a maiden clay regazzoni and I loved its debut Ron really unrealized catching lobe the way he travels and and then it was speaking a little bit disappointing next time but the random and the Chesham would suggest the me he's obviously headed in high regard and he finished tent but I talked to Chesham was a hell of a race Pinatubo. loopy Fernandez was second to me that was the best to raise the week and the horse to finish last Dramatic Sans Finish Fourteen to fourteen commission one next time I sat check sto at Clay Regazzoni was tent on just like the way he made a mid race move. They trios gradually worked his way into contention. He didn't get home anyway class but this is a completely different catfish and I think he still good horse. Jim Crowley has been boop as well which I think is an eye-catching Jockey Bokan and to me there's no way he'll be forty two one so clay regazzoni forty two one interesting joins. What do you like? I think again go to take on the favorite in Ventura rebel. Just looks like one six furlongs at this stage way. He's been staying on the end of his raises. Go back to ask. I think one of the best piece of form is Queen Mary and let me Look Mighty spares don't selection here but she was second on the firesides neighbor to each of obviously has come out and one in this dry sense raffle prizes might once and eh she went really only that day she kicked on Tuesday and it wasn't the most efficient right in the world so I can see a little bit of improvement dinner disappointing last time but I'm really hoping that you'd be able to reproduce that asked a former she goes. I think she'll be right there. Over this five by frontbench the basis there is an eight hundred <unk> jolly good Ryan listed the rest of the three action next so does it mean that my horse has to do part of the race in reverse. Everyone loves a NEWBIE. That's why potty power games aims getting all new customers sixty spins on daily Jackpot Games. You Play Games customers. Only one per customer says he's applying to welcome back next up is the two forty newmarket's the Rick and Mary Hamburger Effort Diety Philly steaks a mile and fourfold which patio follows as a ninety five ninety four favors followed by five to one love so deep ninety one twice to unbear- T._J.. You'll go and I think spark a role win because I think she's she's a big slow boat and I think Newmarket Moylan the half I can see her being ridden much more aggressively here and was a crack and road behind star Katcher actually tried to quite short Ronin that day and was obviously hugely disappointing <hes> at the time before the Music Dora said favorite that day but the time of be king power at sandown hit the front early in the home straight and just grind that that big long Straw could see up being used to go to factor on this track at Newmarket looks favourite but I think the great race in one thousand nine hundred James G like yeah spark. A role is to be very hard to be here. I think she will be six. Seven eight pounds better than the recipes wouldn't mind if there's a little bit of cutting the grind the game of there was a it around the area <unk> announced their chances and just add bison. This is looking for that each way Angolan here with the short bystanders but I think <unk> feed off eight-stone five is behind yet done by lovely stuff does get extra extra places are available not just pound dot com but also the racing post APP. Is it three votes for sparkle role Graham. No don't fancy the favorite much on Alexandra for William mm-hmm Haikus and one of the reasons I wanted to this come roll out one of my favorite racing cliches which is William Haggarty's. What most trainers doesn't call these geese swans and in other words he wouldn't be running alexsandr enlisted company unless he thought she it's up to doesn't tend to do so? You want to list price at Sanam a couple of weeks gonNA clip stay with hit. A message was absolutely punted off the boards and one tidally and this one's got lovely pedigree by Al Kazeem out Dolores <hes> lure noises from families. They've got the one nine like Derek can <hes> some of the comment but what we call but they're all quite decent but while they were was they were slow late developing types who improved with age and got better and better and Al Kazeem was obviously like that to to her soya and Alexander must be a similar type because journey run three times last last year one twice and she's only once season. She's already four so full runs at the age of four. We're going to be seen a lot more from her. I think in the next couple years <hes> and she will be improved. She doesn't need to improve. overstates got loads to find perspective who wrote about the full with a returns worked out quite well. <hes> dramatic quaid while the race in Bihar was second they went UN's finished first and third hideout next time and I thought the Alexander Alexsandr shape is that we need to the rim. She's massive price. I'll be absolutely major. She's double-figure olds. I think she'll be back four places as well. We'll places Arkansas gone off six to one. She's twelve at the moment wow she that that's a very strong case stage era. I'm pretty sure it's going to be all day. Comebacks going to happen so I need it. Reckoning on all of these money left Blimey to market Rasen next jumps fans you are well catered for by Light T._v.. With two races the first which is the beltway summa handicap hurdle over two malls and half a furlong take it away James with a show of betting long. Hey Sane is three to unfair and fun by sank down that four to one schefter troop thirteen thirteen too dino <unk> nine ninety nine to one and then the elders of nine to one hundred ten to one back. I'm we're sticking you with the sticking with you all the with the first tick James. I'M GONNA go for saint-gallen here. Let's think he's a real on the on-scene <unk> who before I know that both being by Cincinnati's benign one cents and so I just think on that lasts that you won't be snugly needs to <unk> bit better but I think you know this big runner lots of runners in the Jason Sat on <hes> just ain't GonNa go go clip. He's GonNa get Schapper with his jumping. I just think you'd be very hard to very hard to go to the top four anyway. I think he'd run a really good razor. Richard Johnson Members G. defunding difficult to have reset your right to the jumps. Is Tom Vero you relishing it. I love my jumping. Do you find that some jumpin is different to win jumping a lot different and I find it hard to pick winners on them but hopefully that will change here shifted troop deep for me full Richard Newland. This is quite interesting thing about this rising. It's like the the the bat with the King of the summit jumped trainers in the Dan scale earn only Murphy and reach Richard newland old ooh putting in the best summer jumpers here and of gun for the New England hosts I mainly because he jumped badly to the Roy last time out. You took us do absolutely hose out. That probably wasn't great. It's the races and hasn't thrown up. Any winners couldn't have done much more wrong last a couple of flights skyway loads of ground out to the Roy. That's obviously left. Andy truckee talk so switching back so quite a toy andy venue might suit market Rasen. It's one of these racists where to be honest. We absolutely gonNA sound so stupid. Let's just say absolutely anything could win obviously well. We know that thing would tell you. The every race is like that is yeah yeah they will turn up but my point being there's loads and loads of unexposed potential improves. We don't know how good they are and it's hard to be really sure one anything but shift the tree ps one of them and could be one of those who takes the step forward. Okay N. T. j. what's your view. This one this long wholesaler lead to be so really special to win this off on forty one lucky seven from Savigny zone beaten. He's an unbelievably unbelievably twickenham slick jumper actually like watching but like he's been British replaced by down skeleton like if he wins this up one hundred forty one copy talking about a potential you know grade to potentially grade one hardener so it'd be interesting see he gets on for me. I think this race is tailor-made for Dino valuables who I don't think he sued by kind of so mar your usual somewhere race in in that does a small field. They don't go that quick like they do. In the big field handicaps like his best run in the last year came in the scots champion heard when he was second to a second to Vidana blue on that was off to say American one hundred thirty four like there's no donna blue in this race. I don't think that was a proper race. They went to proper Gallup and he finished second second. I think he needs to happen and in this race they will go so quick in this race. I think it would play into the hands of Dino. Will I think is tangent to win a handicap like this off Amac one hundred thirty four to me. It looks like he's been laid over the race so dino valve for me but I will be looking on with interest to see long sale gets on radio and the three twenty market Rasen is the way summa plate a choice over to mall five and a half fillings. Howdy Patio on this one James Gore show Joe is our nine to two? Hey favorites reminder an average sift Tavon six to one Henry Ninety one more books nine to ten to one bar and g wrote who wins stopped me quite excited this one because the goal tro joe the favorite I mean this is I summit jumped right so we were just talking about some jumping in and wins the jumping bean different winds up being much stronger well. It looks to me done skeletons going right. We've got a decent wind horse here that we can win this good prize in the summer the very lightly raised aged over fences <hes> but was impressive when when in Ludlow and then last time out market Rasen at the course in April now Harry's go and if you can go back and watch the replays of this I advise you to those you saw because it's just so funny they come to final fence and he's hard on the steel when he looks like we're GonNa win this by twenty link on the bride or whatever and they get over the lost and you want see Harry Scout more busy and a host is going to win so easily I mean he really booted at this whole home and in the end extended the volunteers from two links trumping the lost twelve links at the line. I mean at like fairly gus server to you know why did it. You know why did it because he wanted to make sure that he was going to get into this race. It's hard to get into these big handicapped choices especially when you're a light erase chase electro joe is and it obviously being done harried obviously at a little conversation before and gum right where we want to get in this big one in the summer. It's at the track this. Make sure we win nicely and we get a white up so that we definitely get in and he definitely does get in and he was so impressive that day and then they don't even bother to run since we're putting away now we'll line him up for it looks an absolute plot job this core trojer the being spied so I've never known you signed fees. Yes so and put somebody in your Kofi and say hey g rod so up as D._J.. Yeah he may maybe he's he's put like this <hes> in two thousand five in here and last year a harsh rate one hundred twenty two but in one hundred twenty eight going into the market Rasen rates so I don't know what did not have got in any way Graham no loss to Austin Yeah. I agree with you what happened after last it was strange to see him win so easy because he could have made it. Look kind of Mariah was that it was a Mumbai two or three Lenz and you could have hit the nail in the head here. He could win any koby way ahead of his mark but I I just I'm just not convinced. Henri Ville is the one that I kind of came down on here. I think he would have won the race three years ago if he didn't come down at the last and he's just a type of horror step. I think it suited there again to race like these because he'd be held off and he traveled supremely anyone race. He's not the best jumper in the world but I think he'd be okay. Remark Raisin and Peter Boom won the race last year more books and he's got this horse from Harry Fry and I would say this is being an honors on his agenda for quite a while Henry vote because he goes oh fast radio. Susan and I go back that raisins as in sixteen travel back day and I think he's a big player Henry vote for Graham say finally go out the habit of backing Henry Villains just as he starts winning Sung enough to start jumping back on that particular bandwagon <hes> James Rhyme. What's your view of this rice? Yeah Henry is made back to his best <unk>. Nasty hasn't been Peter Bones along eater likes this race you hopefully the grind will stay gold from jumping while it's a high enough but I think he run weather and what is it very competitive rice but he's what is known for his Roddy. Let's get stuck into the race of the day five ten at the car the Kerry Gold Irish oaks and raid out all the short priced loses. This is James. I get to the to the tools these cam win away you go pink. Dodd is our to warm favorites all four stars pleasing easing thirteenth to couple horses to something H.. One eleven to search for us on sixteen trashes eighteen and the derives third straight to one hundred fifty. I'll paraphrase Manuela Vega eight one Antonio Vega eleven to one one have the jewel focused if you will get the view of the boys what they fancy Stein with D._J.. I kind of scared here because if I feel like if I don't tip one of the Beckon never be asked by retained to Light T._J.. I I actually tipped Carson the racing post today I tipped fleecing at seven to one because I talked. She was the one that was overpriced as she is very very tricky but to me this kind of if symbol to bite them all like if I go train them Eric. That's a you'd think we'll get hot but she's never tried that. She was good in the pretty polly around the guineas. She's not guaranteed to stay pink Dogwood. I was really disappointed with in the in the pretty polly to me. She was tuned to the minute for the oaks at epsom she was ready. That was our peak performance. She should've won the race. She should have wanted easily and she didn't it was a bad right from raigmore to me. I just wondered she peak that day and we just might and see the best of our for the rest of the season terrible terrible who'll price favorite yeah yeah Leisler Star Catcher to me got the road race in the Ribblesdale while the Vega obviously around a Crocker and the Oaks Anthony Antonio that Vegas this is interesting because you obviously presume you talk to raise every day looks at. Did you see him interviewed. After this race he was like scratching his head. He was going you would wanna see early work the other day like he could not believe that she warned. That's obviously a good sign. She keeps their best for the track but she obviously works opposite deplorably. She was a huge drift about shifted all the way into four to one she was very impressive. It was it was like a bog in numerous that day I can see where you're coming from. I think she would finish ahead of Manuela Vega but to me when I go through fleecing. I just think this could be feedings day. She works spectacularly well. If you talk to anybody embody she's been asked some huge questions by the way she's been written on the last couple of maybe that's the way she was needs to be ridden but I am reading plenty into the fact that Domenico Brian is writing fleeting. I think that don't occur would have had the choice and would have been told what the ride. I'm sure he could erode iridescent because I know way northern Rhodesia Edessa when she won the pretty pretty polly and I know we want our road or when the phillies mile but don't is Joseph's first-choice Jockey when he's got one in group ones obviously Roy Moore was going to be Writing Pink Dogwood I would suggest that Josephine aid and did have a chasse and they came to their contusion with Jockey Wilkins and on I would think that aid and things fleeting has got a great chance of winning the oaks. If things fall into place or go to go quick. I think the car will suit slightly better than ask did unto me at seven to one. I think she'll be seventy two. I think fleeting has got a crack chance ads Rodney Hood James. Who Do you like D._J.? On the same boat him leading I'd like to for a long time back to fit against that didn't work route map some back during actor Oscar and but I think like if you go back look at the at the outset apps like it could be the best Villian the rice the way she was ridden. There got Internet. A bit of trouble didn't really handle the the counter to Alan detract than ask Chunky looking stayed on really well. I don't think she's GonNa Care If Rain I the grandfather tomorrow sinks to be able to show alternatives. I think the cartilage which is much better than what APP some dude. I just think she'd run radio <unk> similar to you deja inches a Brockton each way by Sebastian. I'll be Beissner Bellagio underwent. You have a conversation you should lie but I think she's extracting Johnson who voiced by three canine fleeting who you came on Graham I think they must've read each of us notes because they just hit the same one every time I don't lie any of those at the top of the market and the British runners have been dominating when I in this race haven't I three four runnings of Brits train runners <hes> an Ortho Antonio Vaco is the one out star. Yeah are thought that he he she absolutely voted up lost time on soft ground around that really aggressive wasn't and she's going to get schone. Get cutting the ground that means. It's meant to be terrible today. Apparently I just obviously was a little bit worried. The calling came is right in Harry Bentley's ridden on every one of us starts jumped on the other one Manuela devait who knows what that's about what it might crow bright with what day Giannotti that perhaps and son is just not work so they've got sucked into putting too much credence onto the homework again possible isn't it maybe she just doesn't work very well and doesn't may never does I mean measure who Stetzer Dragonair Awebber apparently works terribly and obviously went on the finish photofinishing Darby or whatever it was. I won't be too worried. I've seen my own noise RAV. The more everyone told me from the Gallup's and I'll stick with Antonio Viga white back in the demon distant past. I worked at Catford dog track in the early nine thousand nine hundred one of the trainers there got John Hopes for a great man. It's it's me to bits or device. Few never ignore the obvious. Let your is your guide on your money the last thing he is so what he's saying let your eyes begun Gomes on the train that I'm pat on. What's happening at home by the way can you price Antonia Divide Up for the ledger? Please at some point because hardly anyone is and she's going to win this and then she's GonNa win the Niger so nice big price for me. Would you right is oh the T._v.. Action done in dusted. Let's round up the rest of Saturday. We've got the under cards at newbury Newmarket Market Rasen as in the car as well as Rippin Cardinal Doncaster and end heidel now then there's a new rule with postcards because you'll remember if your regular watcher or listener that when it comes to the roundup g Rod just flails around with these phone he carmen which raises which meeting is whether they've even been declared so the new rulers police Gerard's got to write them down and ninety he'd written and Dan. He's got lovely printout. There's a lot nines on them g rod so I wanted to spin through nice and quickly please well. There's many actually because I'll put down the WHO's is in the racist that we would do in our K.. Just forget what when I was Gonna tip but do you have a couple of four you know one of them is in the free fifty at newmarket called alternative fans about this last time out at sandown they went from the front equal steady pace <hes> and the host ready ready well for double figures traveling like the winner throughout just got done by a couple of more likely rice progressive types always gonNA be vulnerable to that time but self Graham really suits loads and loads of rainfall cost. Hopefully it gets estimate market. Maybe not quite as much rain forecast coming from the West isn't it some minor might peter out apparent note because alternative fact does want soft ground but very well handicapped on best foam so that one must go close tendency effect free fifty at they market Jamie Spence it takes the ride as well which is a massive positive spencer was in flying phones towards the end last week and I just think Spencer nowadays it's one of the biggest confidence jockeys go in when he is riding high he seems to be able to win on anything CY offensive eternity effect and in the free forty five Kamau now do love about calm because you never quite no way you are. They say the come to the last you think we nearly there got number three furlongs to run them. Go around the pen Pasta priory so the free forty only five wisecracker and other one. That's very very well handicapped on his best foam. I'm caught my eye. Here was the booking of Briny Frost for bank. Ace wisecracker is front runner and there's no one better from the from them Brownie. She's absolutely spectacular on the front runner as we all know and I think that she can get the best from wisecracker in the free forty five Combo. Tom was alternative fact three fifty at newmarket such a big five minutes niche few then it's J. J. Voting Blimey D._J.. Hammer in your roundup tree at the Kara Away. I actually think Graham has has has soest Catman because if I'm writing thinking follow you religiously was your last winter in life hipster. Not The big price wells delun a couple of weeks ago a capital. I'm not sure it's my last one. I'll hopefully I've had one or two since then but I think it was to Toews minim- fourteen now most of the last cart hotmail made made a fantastic day where we back into Pete Boom remers yet so huge for US winners damning with fine price by the way such bitch just trying to highlight you've been gone to win is quite nasty that D._j.. Get only the when okay and the tree twenty-five I'm going to give chessmen another chance for Richard. O'Brien and Otieno are just think handicapped like this right a cracker buying speak in colors in a group to last time I take a handicapped like this held up plenty cover. I think chessmen of off macro hundred one can go double the price of the twenty five and the scurry in the four thirty five it is the MINSTREL stakes. Gordon Byron is making us a hundred racecourse appearance here. The favorite is likely to be romanized to we've tipped a couple of times for the queen and lock engine stuff but I think say foliage. It's absolutely pissing rains here at the minute romanized is it needs it like a road Disney yeah. That's what I'm saying. I just think if the rain does get into the grand. I'd say maybe ten fifteen minutes Howard show oh how much that's GonNa get into the grind. I think say foliage is a winner. I think one of these horses always GonNa look a little bit. I'm not we're always going to be making excuses so I think say he was ashtray. Obviously loves hate up those off Brian but I just think he's traveling so well as racist <unk>. He's only rates to <unk> inferior to Roman is I think save foliage is the Mossad adoption the four thirty five on one of the one I think really illusion in the five forty fly even the ladies therapy. I think she's different class. Cities William Orleans trains. <hes> jody his younger sister take steroid think Roy losers different classes at five forty five. I was very sad to say tweet the other day from William Money instead they lovely dog died recently. You know that beautiful Golden Golden Retriever Labrador Yeah Yeah but didn't know that a with that one when I went to stable oh well never mind the big question especially the current D._J.'s. What's the crowd GonNa be thing? They'll they'll get a few in or will it be another disappointment are no it'd be very small creates. Mardi oaks really get a big credit anyway and so it'd be very very very small is such a shame though isn't it because I mean now it's finished. I think he's half decent isn't it and yet the people not coming on. No there was a bit problems what race they experience long queues and still for buyers and toilets. I am a laugher Derby meeting but it would be anybody who wants to go would be really enjoyable for the oaks because they'll just be a nice crowd and hopefully it won't rain too much GIANNETTA. It's a fabulous place really is. I know what's got bad publicity but it is a very very nice icicle. Racing it sure is particularly in this to write beccles used to back. James Hood got first away from the Glare of the T._v.. Cameras as similar third car to treat twenty-five D._J.. Picked on spying on for different ice cold Alex Ten Khandan horse who's really last time I at the car dot no Romans all of them already flying at the finish and that was a fairly funny rights they went Freddie slow. Whenever and Kinda spent from the Fontenay was the only one the gains in the box? Oh just thought he could stood up and coming coming into this and he's done outside zone five mccullers riding the best he's ever written in his life and sorry by quite like him and the five twenty new Macintosh by Horse Column McLean and he's being quiet. He backed the Moscow times to run this year and he's dropped another two pounds from his last run. Just get a road and Ryan was very easy on a mass time needed <unk> pushed into rail so you just let them come home and handicapped. I can see the mccranie misnoma gamut already prices demonte coming from late in the day. I wouldn't mind getting on him. I just wanted just more keep an eye on Snow Fairy Hauser second fold on in the six fifteen doncaster tomorrow by Donegan's. We want to keep an eye on hoped it out to run around better than the first fellow ninety says interest convergence now lovely exit. Oh that's well worth looking out for okay. Let's get the naps is will not be too. I never given that bomb guy and see five ten at the car. Antonio Antonio de Vega will win. The orange jeered was shown up. I'm going to go four folks chairman in the one fifty at newbury solid. We'll win okay T._J.. There's a man mad for a winner in there to twenty five David Newbury Schema and finally James Ryan D._J.. Cross game I think Goff and also not short argues time smashing stuff. Thank you chaps this Sunday next. Check out parties rewards club simply place five beds. That's have ten pounds or more across any sport in a week and you'll get a free ten pound back then next week teens. He's eighty plus begun to talk as the Racing Post we can post Bruce Burlington Graham Roadway David Jennings and Patty Powers James Ryan looking ahead to a decent card out the car on Sunday to group races I of which takes place at three Tennessee fries town Stud Sapphire stakes a group to which will be one David Jennings by a tear my hair out of equilateral awesome win this like this just seems to be everything everything in his favor. I just hated the way he was ridden asset at a at ascot like I know potash was in their viewpoint. It's the best friend we're going to see the season but this is a horse. It's all about speed explosive growth there in front and shorter stove. Don't be waiting for things to happen to me. He was just reading all wrong in the Kingston. He should be differently. Today's I think he's a really good sprint takings. A group will spend are on the group too so equilateral James G agree. Don't for soldiers dog argued on a career-best Alaska last time I haven't really stepped up Israeli parents. I think the reproduction about to be very hard to be like three of his last of Bezos five-star is at nor P._R.. boba hundred one I was only other. You're one hundred ten once so I just think he's just think he's very solid. I'd say it'd be Jordan a favorite but I think it'd be very how many more times does equilateral have to get beat D._J.. Before you stop tipping <hes> six you're so loyal deed Adji wrote who'd you like in the Sapphire Caspian prints the me been following the source recently backed him at sandown a couple of starts. Go any Brennan absolute cracker to finish third beyond curious these improvements for your own. We've all she murphy charting wind coast boost and everyone else coming down the center which was quite interesting and then all time out yolk you running another hot race <hes> commentary what one it but I know tipped it so that might be my last winner but Caspian prince ran ran very well. Cop Annoy cope tonight yeah. Those custody prints was fourth. I think he's one of the car so he loves the track off in Caspian compete all those sprint. It's none of a Mirny good. All those are all the British win. The wind sprints done the problem is equally true is as an sovereigns himself decent three forty five Kara kill boy state stakes a group to Phillies MS over a mile and one fertile Jane's way you go who wins. She's there so terrible. Grip on power has been a group team for much along this line up at the keep betting. I think it's the rain combs. I think certainly very high speed. She's going to be a pretty one favorite if they don't get as much of the grinders good I'd be likely to take on red t disappointing Scott last night and but a last are John asser grind she was finishing upside. The likes of I can buy one master. Demonstrate certainly should be the one on side with the racial makeup nice me if the all eight say in the race furniture I bet on on Reggie <hes> ego view. Hey crime you know just want to use move swiftly as an example of what I said earlier William Hague is not calling his <hes> geese swans in the move swiftly being beaten enlisted company and in a handicapped before she then turned out I timeout and in a group to looked to be outclassed and one tardily Roy Alaska she's the Haggas will keep getting some more improvement from any remo- -moves fifteen different gravy. I've been lucky enough to work in his racing journalism game for thirty years. I've never actually heard that one about cooling gay swans view deejays and you want on. You know I've heard of before you. You'd say footballers is rather case good. Who'd you think win this one D._J.? This is this is. This is absolutely shocking stuff like this is. This is like it's an embarrassment. Godless rates group to to be honest. The one I chance because Jockey Boeken's will be got us because she was she. He was as fast as I was at the car navin last time and to me. She just looks like type she was. She was obviously very disappointed. In the latter stages of our two year old career she was favorite for the guineas at one stage and she's no two rooms to get back rice as she she drifted like a buyers at Navin as she's only rates ninety-one but Ryan more rides are instead of the hundred raise Caro beach which to me speaks volumes and while she's got a massive twenty twenty one on raisings defined with move swiftly she is getting twelve and I just think if those two ruins of broader on and she could just be maybe this'll be today to catch goddess okay right in as well as the rest of the card. We've got tipperary in Ireland and Winningham Newton Abbot Redcar and Stratford Graham. If you got into first toback y'all got one in the five forty five red card going on really the loss race on Sunday caused six fifteen so for the open the final ramp at a time that's done anyway never be enough in the five forty. Five Redcar Renan really well off time when massively outclassed enlisted rice potency frats stayed on nicely was beaten so Nick Nick Nick had a blanket if that foam can be taken literally then never be enough is absolutely fronin back in Handicapped Company here and I'm happy to take your chance that she might be Ri- N._F._l.. She wanted to add to all your other polls host D._J.. Yet this will win. This will win so you can get the clip ready atom for next week on a bit of a price in the four fifty five at the Koran Sunday this will win. It's a horse called story. It's number nine on your race card art trained by Joe Murphy. It's written by Carol. It's finished heard and six on our to start so far first time really rely cash on a car and a good man that worked at where last time it now oven anything that could possibly gone wrong did go wrong. I touch around a cracker. She's only beaten six lands. The winner has one since the second home that the second home that they were simply beautiful as one since the third home was kissed for Jews who would going into the race. I taught it was good maiden and I would be absolutely absolutely bitterly disappointed if story does not win the four fifty five at the car. She's a Smart Smart Finney. Wow Gripe very positive word to end up with from D._J.. Anything else to add James Dan just one kind of breeding aspects things. Thanks Joe has another a lesion in I in in for Jim Bolger and Mike Ryan and to talk called at the end of Oh which is living years in Irish so at your. I should just be wants to keep an eye I if she can progress like like she'd like yeah. We did yourself. What did finish copious coming back? I couldn't tell Ya Artesian looked up now. Be Unto Though there as I did you pay attention in your lessons yes of course I did. I always did offense. Galileo is AIDS living legend. Is it YEP living legend jet fans gave bill. Okay main Gerald would be unable to curb right that. I believe you're right and we can plans D._J.. What you up to Khartoum Maria I even really nice weekend ahead because I'm in the car tomorrow and I'm off Sunday and there's a double header in Kopech Ailey football at me my home Kennedy Mayo and carrier playing Donegal so I will be in Croke Park on Sunday and account way most of that and the best bet on the from this weekend is <hes> under twenty one point five carry points at five to six patty power line? Is that with football hurling. It's football okay lovely James. What about you? What should we can hold and here working smile on then someday Aspen are running a and erasing ten K. so that keep me at taking over and good luck with that one opens the fifty minutes yeah by tasty get surveys denies Busch Joey goods and Jiro go what Saturday satiety sine die Sunday yeah life tips on Saturday so any questions into race? They live at race in post DOT COM. If you want to hear from me which you probably be wise on don't you if anyone I do emails in you always get wiseguy personal on so. Why do I do try my best to answer? The mole and on Sunday is one of the highlights of the year without doubt the <hes> Epping Longer Railway biff festival <hes> is a ways fantastic event you know with at the steam trains going they left the the proper oats theme is going up and down the heritage railway <hes> with any amount of <hes> number of Biz and Perry's on and it is always offense as they call it so I did take the day off especially for that with a view to watching the open final round off after having a few Perry's lovely should be great sounds fantastic. Doesn't it's a great life. Make the Tour de France and the <hes> and the oaten both come into the ball at the same time. I'm very much looking forward. Okay then chaps. Thank you very much indeed them. Enjoy the shows. 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Ch. 46: Manny Jacinto | Dave King, Writer | AmandaBoisselle, Production Assistant

The Good Place: The Podcast

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Ch. 46: Manny Jacinto | Dave King, Writer | AmandaBoisselle, Production Assistant

"Hi There Hello Janet. Welcome everyone to season. Four of the good place is the podcast. Janet neier thrilled to bring you this new episode psych. It's bad Janet fecal flims guys. Why why do you keep giving me bad Janet for these insurance? I really feel like this is more in. Good Janet's wheelhouse guys guys mark their podcast gas producers Michael. They don't care they'll make you do the most humiliating things imaginable as long as they get their sweet sweet downloads. Fine Fine. Let's just keep moving. This episode is brought to you by skid marks. No no it's not. Let's just start at the show. Welcome to the good place. The podcast I'm Mark Jackson Jackson. I play Sean. Today will discuss chapter forty six season four episode. Seven help is other people written by Dave King directed by Beth McCarthy Miller including S.. Cast Ben Cole. Dyke Kirby Hall teast and Brandon Scott Jones as the final day of the experiment winds down. Eleanor plans to get the humans. A few last minute points but as derailed was simone tries is to convince the other humans that they're not in the good place the others reveal their own secrets including Brent's best-placed promise genius true identity. Chidi also tells simone that eleanor. I said that they were soulmates. The gang decide they need to do a points. How Marian blow up the experiment? The opened up a sinkhole. During Michael's magic show and Brent falls in Simone and John Take his escalade laden run. Finally Eleanor and Michael confirmed for Brenton. Chidi that they are. In the bad place. Brent has an under the wire last minute revelation my guest today our first team production assistant Amanda boyzone writer Dave King and many Asencio who plays Jason Mendoza and Janu the amazing incredible monk. Manny David Amanda Welcome. Everything is fine It bears saying we also have another guest on the Mike Donut Mississippi on instagram. For the plug right away. Yeah my baby it girl Doggy donut is here. Thank you for letting me smuggle her in. Will you didn't ask You just did it. Are you kidding. This generally how she ends ends up in places. Is that a ambush her. This is already my favorite episode of this. An described on. Oh donut is a canine jeanine. Angel from heaven. She was seven pounds. She's a like a little mini poodle. SHOULD SUE BE SEAN type. Guy Girl I I doug yeah signs a purse dog but with the soul of like You know kind of like Joan diddy type vibes is how oh I think of her now if she were a person that was not a joke she does have a an instagram presents. Right yes yes. She is donated in the city and just moments ago. So I mean I already feel so uh-huh pathetic about this. You know what I've tried to tell you so Amanda What is a first team? PA essentially a glorified babysitter on. I wish you were wrong. Odds a part of the department which which I have said before is the adult daycare department. It's assistant director right as assistant director. my job as the first team is to take care I team that's And those were the actors are the doors that are in the movie. Yeah so my job is to make sure that everyone is happy. They know what's seen gene. We're filming they have their snacks. They have water anything that they could possibly need. I tried to make happen for them. many. Do you agree without Amanda. Without those guys the ship just goes to chartres. Yeah it's just it's Oh yeah they without them we would not know what to do where to go or what time to be there. I mean it's sadly it's accurate Here we are the eighties. We are infants. I think the best way to visualize it is that if there were no. If if a man's job it didn't exist there would just be like a sort of back lot of actors kind of like walking like Roomba style on autopilot. Like like walking in the until they hit the border of the lot and then just bounce stop decided to just waiting for somebody like you needed onstage. Twenty one what do you do. I think that's wrong. That's what happens pile out of a van and they just start walking It might not be the right way but they just go. It's most often towards food food right. We we are candy and sweets Driven I feel like I will never forget meeting you. Season One With specific reference Prince Two Jamila and candy in the pockets of addresses and stuff She would often like there would just be instantly like a lot of detritus like candy wrappers and stuff jeff and I remember you saying. I don't remember exactly what you're like. She's my beautiful. Big something. I call it. She's my child. Call her my child. She calls me her nightmare fairy And that the day I met you. We were in Eleanor's house and she had apple with peanut butter she had taken She also had addresses pockets so she always has chocolate specifically and her dress that will melt and she had scattered it on the patio. Patio out front. And you guys did two or three takes and I finally just was tired of the trash so you came back out and I just said Jamila. Can we do anything with this. And it was just all trash that she left there for me. Some of which that she stole from Ted. Danson your the relationship you share with Jamila is very sweet and complicated and I love it. Very much Ted Danson has a very particular snack neck. Oh yes yeah it is what midday or like mid morning I wanted to I would say like eleven. AM came out. It's like clockwork and Amanda. Usually all of nuts. Yeah in the morning I see yes. Green Tea Green Tea is later in the day. It was coffee and then he gave up coffee and then a little bit before lunch West. Get Salmon apple with peanut butter yes Often a green apple sliced into wedges and a big dollop of peanut butter for dipping Yep more recently and I think this happened while you're still with us Because at one point you left to go to a movie but That started to become a party platter of that because everybody everybody would steal from him Ted offer and so it was usually just like a super bowl with one apple and a half cup of peanut butter. It's now become like a tray. Yep a full on trae actually because of Ted and because of that actually story doing that at home around the same time. Eleven o'clock going. It's it's time for my midday snacks apple good snack. I mean there's a relatively healthy. Yeah Amanda Before we get into the episode I also WanNa talk about your progression Through this world because at one point I I think in season three began. You began sort of Doing the terrible terrible homework of logging your hours days on set and stuff in order to apply to be in the Union for the directors or yeah so as a PA.. If if you WANNA become an assistant director you need to collect all of your call sheets and pay stubs from every day of work that you have done for at least six hundred. Today's Oh my God. So season three. There was one point where I was in one of the trailers I claimed trailer for myself and spread out binders and paperwork work and printed everything from six years worth of my work. Put it all into binders chronologically. And then mailed handed off in hopes that they accepted it and so that was what I was doing season three an income season for I had been accepted and was now a third area eighty congratulations Washington's you could feel and you've since work doesn't eighty right you left Midway through the season to go and work on a film is that right a a TV. Show and I WENT OUT TO UTAH. 'cause once you're in you cannot work in La as an ad yet unless you're on what. Yeah unless you're we're on low-budget or commercials so I went out of town and worked on a full. TV Show because in Utah or out of state. You can work on anything so it's just like this extra barrier are your distinction. Yeah Yeah and you have to collect more days. Make that binder again send that in again. An upgrade hours. There's two routes one is one hundred and fifty days on commercials and low budget and the other way is four hundred days on anything. Oh ooh that's more paperwork than I'm willing to do anything in the world. Amanda Congratulations. That's me that's really cool as as is stated in this episode. There's a lot to unpack here. I mean so much goes on in the course of this episode and I think we'll talk about it throughout but this show. This is a gigantic thing that happens in this episode the tearing off of the face. And they're saying we've got confirmed for them that this is not the good place ice right and we'll get to it but like this is something that would have happened in any other show as the season finale cliffhanger or whatever right like you're doing it midway through the season once again. The show is making gigantic bold moves. I mean did you consider where to put this Earlier in the season later in the season like did it ever at at any point in the room was an influx. I I think this was pretty. I'm trying to remember. I think it was like from early on. We had a pretty good sense that there it would be kind of two halves to the season and this end of this episode kind of marks. The end of the first half right like hitting midnight is the end of the the experiment and so the first seven. I mean it's not a coincidence that this is the end of episode seven and there's fourteen eighteen episodes in the season so I think that was Mike had a pretty and the writers had a pretty good sense from early on that. That's how this would shake down I I don't think there was ever to turn remember but it it's fascinating to realize that this is a We've been here a year right in this experiment. This is the last day a midnight at the stroke of midnight. This experiment comes to a close. Eleanor has made a video of like it starts well of like it. So this is what's going to happen and also just in case do one last ditch amazing good deed while you still can right. She calls the game right yes she calls it out. Yeah Yeah I mean I think it sort of points to you. Also there's this whole they have you know they have some sense of what can be done to make the points go. Oh up or down but there in the dark to a large degree About what's actually best for. Like their side of the experiments sooner speak and actually. I don't know if this was this has been talked about on the podcast before so. Stop me if it has baby. Originally there was going to be a more sort of like public scoreboard. Of How will the test cases were doing sure so that we would. Everyone would know when the clock struck midnight whether you want her lost and we broke the first few episodes without in mind and summer along the way as we were doing this one of the Writers Dan. Scofield said. He's you had been thinking about this and sitting with it and he wondered if it might be better if this if it were a pro. If basically like we put the scoreboard away in a black box obelisk down and it kind of instantly made sense to everyone and we were all sort of like. Oh yes of course that solves a lot of problems. We have mainly like the way we had broke. The first few episodes it felt like the story was about the points instead of about the interpersonal relationships. And like it almost put too much on the cover story story of like and so this that kind of changed a few things about the mechanics of the first few episodes but for this episode in particular it. It opened up a very cool thing which is like oh now we can have the clock strike midnight or like the Buzzer to go off and you don't know who one L.. And so that really helped this episode and ways we didn't realize at the time Jason Mendoza continues to be very dumbest. It's very fun to honey is saying the party will be London black-tie Knightsbridge Not Kensington or Heaven Forbid West. Brompton can you imagine and you're yeah no now is like you're trying so hard I mean by way of interpersonal relationships. Trying so hard to be like I get it. I love that on my gosh. Yeah when I did it Jamila started laughing with me like right off the bat. It's just it's so sweet it's like he's trying to fit in and trying China please. Everybody because he's also like I have no idea what you're saying not not at all just a genuine answer to the question. I cannot imagine that Janet will be violently eating her Janet babies in order to restore processing power. Yeah little little housekeeping. Just in case people wanted to know how that works. That's nothing we've shot her. We'll see as I don't I don't think I don't think so no What madness went into deciding at this moment that Michael would take on human men lame manner? Yes and I'm trying to remember where exactly it came from whether it was a make sure idea or not. It definitely was in the the very first like versions of the episode breaking it pitching it in the room. I mean it's just perfect because it's like so human yes the it involves like you know tangible like there's sort of the close up magic like using your hands and dexterity and then there's also the like believing in something that's not there and there's also this element which is that magic is a hundred percent possible symbol in the whether you call it like place with afterlife. Yeah and there's actually a magic here right. So he's trying to recreate something that he has the ability ability or depending on like what exactly we're talking about has the ability to do or could just ask Janet to do very easily. But he wants to do it. The human way even though it's far less impressive how did it work on the day was Ted Ted have actual coins and things so I if I know Ted well I would guess he was practicing. Yeah we had a magician come men of magic and he worked with said to teach him everything and put on a couple of shows for everyone. Serious call me to set when things like this has some some kids came and he was like entertaining some of the kids in then. Yeah he was yeah he was really good. I can I just say as like as as Jason Nelson as many just seeing Ted do all this magic stuff. I was very entertaining. Hey man there was. I mean I mean it was so funny with his reactions throughout the episode. Oh just give some credit like the very first time that we shot magic and I think it's also the first chronological magic. You know instance in the episode is win Ted Takes a coin from behind year. Manny's reactions were so hysterical. That Beth and I were watching everyone was watching video village and it was like like Oh we have to change the coverage of this get full on reactions. Because it's like the funniest thing in the scene. His pure delight Akai. We were cracking. You're looking behind yourself and checking your own ears from point exactly forking so dumb but also like he he wants to believe is I like how do you do that. That's our cold open and we Interact one They're getting ready by way of By way of compliment compliment to honey says that they look so good they all work. The coach at the met gala Brent enters and gives reason I think for nervousness about the success of the experiment because he immediately brags about all the birdies he made on the golf course and throws a towel directly at Chidi. Right yes just it cannot. It's not getting better. He almost fire Janet but she's you know come through things Tuxedo in a can was a fun but a magic knows fun. Yeah and then a big plot moment happened something. A bit of a surprise is Simone is not into this before they go. She's been suspicious. The whole time she walks out a big chalkboard full of dossiers and clues and all this stuff about everybody in the neighborhood and she's very suspicious right because There are three hundred people in the neighborhood and Michael. And and eleanor been spending all their time with these four six or whatever right yes. Exactly or focusing too much of their a disproportionate amount of their attention on the people in that room And she has some other clues as well about why she thinks. Things are not immune originally. She was of the belief that this was all a You know sort of like a basically a a near death hallucination last-ditch of her brain going beep. Yes yeah and now. She's as because she's like a scientist and took to hugh observing data. This is the sort of like hypothesis she has or she has a like half hypothesis. which is that? I don't know what's going on but it's something about the people. Ms Room Horrified by this this news coming out Tahani and John New check in a little bit here to give little glances I I mean. Obviously he can't say anything because he's still enjoy new mode. Is it fun to play John. You're definitely I mean not coming into the scenes I can just pick guys guys are leave it all to you have to memorize anything but you still have to listen and react. which is the biggest thing? But it's always really fun. It's cool. It's cool to see some John on you back in the season There's a one blip joke that happens which Janet goes away to try and check she comes immediately. Back is a confess. Her hair's messed up. Her Blouse historian it. The whole thing went poorly. I think she just says it did not work but Amanda this is a thing like you would probably have specific civic knowledge of this. What's the turnaround? Time on. Taking a put together Janet and making her a messy Janet or bringing a messy Janet back like. That's time it's it's time going messy Janet from Clean Jin is easier but yet either way. You've got a thirty minute break. At least you're while we're just waiting for her to get turned into into a disaster and I think it's even longer probably We've talked about good. Good Janet Janet Janet take some time I think. Good Jinnah and bad. Janet is like an hour changeover over and that can depending on. I don't remember which way is the harder one it can be up to an iron. A half eleanor just wants. So desperately for Brent especially to have made any progress to bump into somebody and say oops my bad she wonders aloud. WHO's a girl? Got A fork to get my bad They've become friends over this time. Michael says to her hey like panicking at crucial moments. That's my thing like you gotta keep this together And then even given the the enormous stakes of what's happening we're GONNA find out in a matter of hours whether or not humanities doom forever and she simply says if we lose I'm going to be so it's it's a throwaway bit you know like I feel like you are skirting the largest stakes that have ever been discussed and also like I just WanNa lose. Yeah both are true right. I mean you WanNa win you always WANNA win a game regardless of what the stakes are and yeah it would be a bummer if if humanity is not safe forever it's too. I like putting it in my on my own shoulders. which is ridiculous as this is is pretend in the television show? But you would kind of go like it's the stakes are too high. I'm not capable. I'm just a girl from Arizona and this is too much for made to handle. Yeah so if we lose GONNA BE SO mad like we've put so much into this. John Wheaton is There's news in this episode. I mean he learned. Simone Chidi called Simone Muffin He's getting a lot of breaking news later. I think we find out that the reverse duckie right and and And he needs to sit down after that one A needless and Hilarious callback to dump Schwartz Catholic. We hear just has like what don't you like about like the ds the S J just kills everything that he doesn't this show it's so good Yeah and I remember that when he says that joke dumb shorts camping. It's excellent good. I don't know just dumb. Shorts is just very mean and very like high school bullying type but it's also just the way he says it makes it somewhat more innocent but I don't know it. It was such a good job. Tom Shorts Kathy very generous of you to describe that as a joke. Not just of in three words put together that give you a weird three words that have made at least two episodes to that's fine ownership dump Schwartz Kathy in his crawl. That's fanny won't let it go. Brennan Scott Jones has a moment for the ages here because floats. He can't handle it he. He has experienced something that just graduated from hot gas relevant AF and he has to say it and it just comes out like this explosion lotion. Yeah what how is it scripted. I mean whether I'm sure he would take anything that you gave and make it delicious. Did I mean I'm trying to think. Think back to when Reshad he did like you know every take he did a different version of it coming out and like just how much he sort sort of you know there were different versions of like. I know I shouldn't say it but I gotta say it and like here comes. It's coming I'm GONNA say it like all different levels of self self awareness that it was coming out or you know Leading the pot boil over cut. He is just to circle every choice he makes is so funny that you want him to do it. A thousand times. He's the best and delivering dialogue and in an enviable way. He often makes a grand choice of like losing losing all the punctuation because he has some exchanges in earlier episodes with Jani where he's like okay. I think what this is. What like some great turns where he just says all his phrasing at once? And it's really funny and great. He outs Jason John. You is not real. He's Jason Mendoza. Dj from Florida. You introduce producer self. Say Go jags. What else about me? I was born in a swimming pool. It was so great even like the cut away as it goes warning swing woman cut the actual conversation and Yeah do we have any ultra that or it was it. Was it always just that. I'm I'm I'm trying to remember. You know it may be information that is relevant later. Maybe a reason why why we changed it to that if I see Brent is able to confirm that Simonas right and he knows it for a fact Wills performance says Chidi saying for the first time ever. I'm desperate for you. To keep talking is so funny I mean there are so many you know. Gigantic presences to serve in the show. and I feel like everybody's getting their sniper do like you know even if they're not seminal in that scene There are very funny lines and great performances. It's all around yeah He tells them that he knows that there. That there is the best place and that he's headed their migo which they're sure that they did not say I was attached which obviously he aced And Simone is like come on man you gotta think about this like you're not the guy you'd have to be one of the most. It's incredible people in the universe and Brent considers it for three eighths of one second immense has a make sense to me. I don't know I mean he's not changing he is not changing or you might even argue that. He made a tiny little bit of progress in earlier episodes and because he's now certain certain that he's going to the best place he's regressed a tiny bit that he's sort of back to his he's at sort of Baseline Brent at that he took. I came into this experiment with so yeah. He's not noon good. He's not doing good. That line by the way was one that Mike sure had like from the beginning of this episode. Assode it's the Mike had knew. Exactly how much of a Pasi wanted before the line came out and it was. It was like funny need from the first time the episode the line. I mean I don't know is that it makes sense to me is like I feel like you know we. We all know people who behave that way and Mike it hurt could hear it in his head from the beginning it's also slightly reminiscent of Michael. Just having explained Jeremy Barrowman goes like. I don't know what to tell like. You gotta get it right on the same page here. Eleanor is met by Jason Tahani. And she says it's going Jason Awesome and no. Oh yeah terrible Anytime a anytime Jason's instincts take over without any awareness of what's going on listeners. All right now. Many is slumped in his chair with his head in his hand. As though to apologize for Jason Does uh-huh Dumbness Lak- we did eighty or the other. I think it was yesterday. And then I'm I you know there's this large screen in front of us and we go through the scenes jeans and then by the time I've forgotten a lot of the jokes that we've you know we've accents. Yeah yeah a lot happens throughout the season and when Joe comes out or something comes out of Jason's I just I shake my head. I shake my head and laugh and going to corner him just like Oh man this okay. Yeah I'm GonNa Miss Them. Oh yeah that's very sweet and sad. Yeah they tell Simone they. Eleanor Shimon is onto them. Michael arrives with cards and coins He's got a thing fad. Tom was one of those deck of cards. That's attached to itself kind of thing. Yeah and then it is it. Eleanor that slapped it out of his hands like there's no time I which was not scripted and all of that. Little choreography in the moment was just like came from Kristen and Ted just like wanting to rehearse and have fun and be like. Oh what if I slap this and like working out this like very quick and difficult slapstick moment just bonus laughs that they just add all the time just from like hanging announced that together and trying to find what's best it's really something here's a tricky little ditty about a train to groovy city. Is that yours no. They'll I don't think thanks. Oh I'm trying to remember. I know this all started with like This was the first season I wrote for the show and Before I forget exactly when it said up but we know that Michael Has Sung lyrics hidden somewhere and I pretty sure that was Maurice Pitch because Mike had talked about it when when it came up this time that it seemed like oh well this is the obvious place for us to have fun with actually seeing the lyrics I don't remember exactly what the original lyrics were but this is another place where like. Yeah Mike sure definitely has in his head. What exactly? What kind of is it as? It's it's like kind of Psychedelic but definitely lame. Along the whole song will be written and produced and be released on an albums from source. I would imagine that knowing the lanes that this show goes to to do everything possible to have fun. I wouldn't surprise is being ted gets an album of freaky tunes Interestingly Chidi Sonar are rifling through Michael's Office Eleanor's office. I guess I think it is looking for. You're looking for clues and Chidi defends eleanor to Simone. Like there's a there's a residual a small allegiance that he feels to to. Eleanor Eleanor of. Oh I think he has no idea why it exists. He lets her off the hook by saying like this is her first neighborhood. Maybe some of these are just honest mistakes and then he also tells Simone Simone that That eleanor told him that they were soulmates. With which simone funds really curious like first of all she doesn't believe that that's really a thing and also like why would eleanor of only told one of us like that's a really interesting point. I think we'll to me. Those two things are related cheese defensive eleanor and the fact that Eleanor told him that they were soulmates. So we talked about this in the room a fair amount in cheese mind. At least this is what we think is going on on his writers. The intention is he is. He is defending eleanor. Because he wants them to be sold me. So you're rather. He wanted to be true that they're soulmates. And if eleanor is lying about this being Anything other than the soulmate question then. It's possible the soulmates thing is allies. Well not true so you know that makes sense connected is like well I you know. I'm I've been hoping she's the real deal because well okay. Here's this other piece that she told me and I want this all to be real very sweet and sad it is it also confirms Simone that she's even writer right has the opposite of intention of GD was hoping it would do. Eleanor says we hope that our early successes make up for the embarrassing harrassing mess. We've become like facebook or America More true I mean now than when we wrote it in. I mean that's true. Yeah Yeah Michael Does magic in Town Square. A we see a very spangled Janet. It's it's Janet Janet outfit but like space age does does he really Las Vegas Assistant Magic Assistant. What did I mean kissing man in the costume? Farm out every time every detail. It's just like 'cause his in our minds it was like is there. Is it possible that it could be kind of a janitor outfit but magic assistant and of course there enters like. Yeah and we'll make you could look better than you imagine and here it is and it's like man. I tell you the the costumes and outfits in general deny this did not occur to me or any of us really until we got to set but just having everyone in black tie and looking amazing made it so much more fun to shoot. Hopefully he's like more fun for the audience. Just seeing everyone dressed to the nines we have like the most gorgeous cast. I've ever seen on a show them being hysterical like the first first morning. I remember showing up me like I think we were shooting. Ted's in a Tuxedo and Kristen's in that beautiful black pleated dress. It's like Oh oh damn this feels instantly feels special and elevate here you know a theme in this show. Is Michael becoming more Human Janet becoming more human. And he's getting lamer and she's getting you know midnight tonight. Come what may the stakes couldn't be higher. And when Michael S Janet like do you think it could make them clap a little order like as those sister and brother they see what those very darcy delivery right like. There's some dicey that poked through there. I feel like the Darcy is so good at knowing. Just how human to make Janet and win to make her a little more at just a little bit of attitude hugh to us because she holds back most of the time and then when she does give you just the tiniest bit of like you said sibling rivalry or do I. I mean I to me it is also like she's being protective of her version of magic. which is you know better than and real quote unquote? It's so powerful. When she gives you just a little bit of humanity bind? She's hysterical. Obviously the group is trying to force. They've the humans the test experiments subjects to get better to work together. They use some old good place tactics. They create a sinkhole. They bring Brent up to be a volunteer. He has a role exits the exact same. Watch Richie Sambora where They create a sinkhole. Just like I think season one and he falls into it Hilariously Michael says if it helps it hold up in your pocket the flies away forever. Yeah not helpful. No not a thing that helps sorry. Sorry he says so. Great Moment Yeah I don't know if they're if they're gonNA keep it but like the dove flies away and then they wait a beat and then goes and gives it a name I saw. Oh No really. It's a great Ted Improv. Just just the magician is little away. You'd like to get his dog back. Needs it for tomorrow night. Show Amanda Talk a little little bit about the logistics of how you shoot this. We did not dig a hole in town square. No we shot everything leading up to the sinkhole in townsquare. And then you come back on another day and you go into a sound stage and floors painted green and there is a wall that is green with some blocks for your actors to hang on an and they pretend that they are in a sinkhole and there's nothing above them there's nothing below them. It's all imagination and green and need knuckle put it all together later. Works his magic when they were still in town square and Darcy and Ted are screaming down into the whole they put a mark on the ground a little sandbag or something and have them scream at a certain point and then those things get matched together. Hollywood Hollywood is so fake movie. Magic movie magic Brent threatens to sue heaven from the Sinkhole Simone wants to run right I feel like John does to cheese. Like that's a human right. We gotTA help them. Yes nightly already better than John Imprint imprint. At least just doesn't smell. It's not a bad person. She just doesn't believe what's happening. Well Yeah I mean. It's an interesting question of whether he's better or not. He certainly only has a well defined set of he has a code. I mean he says it himself he has this dumb code that he has to stick to. Is it better for him to stick around than it is for Simone and John want to basically save themselves and this is. What's great about this episode? Is that like this. Moment is designed to be a real will not a real world example a fake real world example of Chidi versus Simone's philosophy come to life is into housing going to play out. Wow Yeah I mean like. They're both made manifest in which ones correct it's a really beautifully acted scene between Kirby and will l. when they like break up in or or we're not sure if it's a break up I guess but they're they have different philosophies they respect each other they're both they respect each other enough to know that they're not GonNa Change and it is what it is and it's like you know it's really sad but they're so good it that in that moment that you and in a sense like they both are affirming their own. They're living their own truths they're both right. I mean yeah. They both can't be right in the grand scheme of if things but neither is wrong or mean-spirited or selfish or any of that they they are they. Respect each other's position Brent Brent screams from the whole. I'm not scared I'm shouting so you know I'm okay. I am very brave. Yeah he's a he's just the worst in every every way possible. It's always fun when you have a character who the Northstar is well. What's the Bosa obnoxious thing? A person gets a at all times He's there for yes. Exactly the They go back to office and and Huddle and eleanor notes that they basically just confirmed that they've been lying to them right. Let's let's listen to a clip of this works. We basically just confirmed that we're lying to them over a bad idea. I mean one of his was a bad idea. It wasn't only who is a good idea. Can anyone else way. I'm serious. Football trying to run out the clock and hoping for the best never works is called. Prevent defense you don't take any any chances and just try to hang onto your lead but prevent defense just prevents you from winning. It's always better to try some Jason. That was coherent. Sorry I didn't mean to. It's a good plan Michael. Hopefully they've bonded. Enough as a group to rescue Brent. Call me get a train. It all head out a year together but was it a mistake Brent fallen we could have had Chidi fallen right or a cute baby panda or maybe you know like a box of doughnuts. Everyone loves donuts was was the right choice. It's not a tough call whether to save Chidi because he's a brilliant and kind person with a caboose convince a quarter off of an. I know because I've done it. We we through Brent in there because there is no reason any of them should help him. Because Brent Sucks Brent is the opposite of a box of donuts full of Broccoli. Yeah Ah Kinda. Brent is a toilet full of Broccoli but because these sucks so bad if they do risk their safety to help him they'll get more points basically. It's a Hail Mary. It's risky but if we complete it we win the game two could analogies in a row now worry that he's a team Jason suit I mean he could be a demon and adjacent suit. You guys have opened all those doors. I mean I don't I don't believe that to be the case but like that's not an insane ex-commissioner well it's one of the great things about writing working for the show. Is that a line. That sounds like a joke. Might have some truth to it. Might at the very least it's like always I think helpful or fun to give even if it subconsciously put in the audience as mine like eight. Maybe that is the case as we've sort of seen it done before in Janet's void when Eleanor's pretending to be Jason saying mice. Thank Toby and my eighty percents drew water water numbers right. We've seen Jason be faked before and it was mentioned an episode or two ago. Where in the bad place at Demon con Michael? Michael says This is Glen. And Ajay's we earn de Mega Jason suit and they went way overboard on the cheekbones. Many in toilet for the Broccoli is pretty great. Yeah coconut rum. Oh yes in the same thing. It's like yeah this is just fact. Coconut rum yeah. I mean it's like at the end of the day you try and think about it and try and like I don't know put a little up to it but lake I dunno no we just that I think just letting it go and be like looking around just like it's just as simple as that. It just makes it so exquisite that delivery but yeah fun getting those scripts and being like. I can't wait to say that tomorrow or at the table. Read or whenever. Yeah it's always fun. John is having difficulty believing that they're really like he's like. I know I wasn't great. But hell like that doesn't seem right. And they are starting to fall apart even like he's like. I know you always have to be right. Simone Right their interpersonal relationships. If anything there probably losing points in the obelisk as as this episode is going on right Chidi hilarious callback. He knows why if he is going to hell. Why it's that almo? I mean he had read an article and dammit he still he still drinking milk. Yeah those are great is that was a great laugh at the table read. I remember because I think for some reason it is it like resonates with the cast and crew. Somehow that this particular about Chidi just haunts him every you know even when he's not talking about I'm bill kits in the back of his fine him every waking second he has as you said a moment ago. simone is like look man when you're doing a science experiment. If you thousand times and get the same result you move on the the. Data's back on Brent. He not getting better but proof that the right is moments later as were wallowing in the sadness broncos shake it off another bus comes every fifteen minutes. He is so gross. Yeah absolute again. What's the worst thing a person could say in that moment? Yeah that's about it and it was that was. We did have a slight challenge with this episode because as Amanda said we shot the guys in the whole on a different days then the anything that you saw like at ground level so to speak right so we had to. You can't quite have fun as much much as you can. With like. Add living or interplay. There's no interplay so we you know I feel like what we did was we were like well. Well let's just come up with some lines. That brank could shout up to the surface. That would be fine that Ci might not necessarily have like something to say. I mean this is obvious. Obvious way might telling you. This is pretty clearly the way it worked but yeah that line stocking seemed funny in the moment so made it in. There are eight minutes left. Uh things are you know. Eleanor refuses to give up. She puts out some premise. That I think genesis tracks. She's shot up what you know it. I mean all the the the the facade is crumbling right like the stakes are high. And everybody's everybody's chipping at one another But they have one last move right right. Yes they bring Brenton. Chidi into Eleanor's office Michael's office and They laid out breath Brent still thinks like he refuses he. He's still thinks that he's going to end up in the best place and Chidi does what we saw in season one. He said they're tortured like they're torturing all of us. Can't you see this this. This is the bad place and then you do it. Then you do that racks zoom on now Michael Ellinora with the sound effect and the laugh and It's wonderful it's a really great moment. I mean it's so memorable the first time the Ted did it that you as soon as the idea came up that both of them would do it together. We knew I think in the room. Okay this is a strong you know. Sort of like one of the defining moments of the episode. We should build the episode around actually remembering now that like earlier versions of the the episode had more of a lake scripted script. Sorry earlier versions of the script or the breaking of the episode. Outlines and stuff had a little bit more of like action action comedy. Feel to it. They were a little more based on. We stayed with Simone and John On for different beats and it was more going to be built towards a moment of Lake. Will they save Brandt at the end at midnight. Okay Yeah and and then what sort of I think shook out as we tease the surround was that we didn't get as much interpersonal plays. We wanted we. We didn't get as much From the characters who are main characters. Speak the WHO aren't the subjects and once the idea came. Okay well they should basically that laugh. Once the idea for that evil laugh came out it was like Oh that's the sort of penultimate beat the episode. That makes the most sense that should be what happens right before midnight. We don't need to get lost in this sort of again in referring to versions that you guys aren't familiar with but there was just like kind of confusing choreography about well. They take the car but then should they double back and save brand in that sort of will they make the decision to save and that sort of thing and it was going to be not only difficult to execute but just kind of wasn't holding in our minds and didn't give us that like you know human good place quality that we like so that's why those changes happen. I think Amanda on when we shot that moment of Ted doing that laugh and season one. That really was sort of his idea. Thi- keep he wasn't satisfied with what we had gotten. Mike sure was an encouraging him that we got it and it was great and let me try one more thing and that was really his idea. I would guess that this this was the one they were aiming for on all these takes for this time right I. Yeah Turning Kristen practice that to make sure that she had his laugh. Laugh down yeah perfectly and they did it that way every time one of the things that I sort of love about it is a Ted leans down behind her in a way. That's almost live from New York. It's Saturday Saturday night. Yes it feels that way a little bit yeah and also liked to fund. That is exactly you don't. It's funny because I feel like it did remind me of something in the moment. I think that's exactly what it is. and Eleanor's take a laugh is thug year. It's darker than Mike like. I can't believe you figured it out. Like it's almost like gangster. Thanks to movie The twenties gangster movie or something like it's sort of screamed like it's really Dr. Yeah I love it well. It's so funny because because it's like you know this is one of those great moments where it's kristen making a choice of what Eleanor's choice is is right to act as a demon. Oh Man Yeah. And it's like yeah. Of course she would be a a real Arizona dirtbag basically relentless that he's he's right and that he understands Brent refused he's like so there's no no best place. Orders instantly turns into like a teenage girl. Then too she's like like a dark thugging like Eva laugher and then orders no good. Oh my glasses like you know just instincts. Yeah I think Michael because of big white fig off I love that yeah There's one minute left. They actively threaten- Chidi and and Brenton say like now you're going to the actual place spoiler. It's way worse like right. They let us toy with you for a little bit. Now that's over you're going to go there forking thing Brent says man crazy twist It's like something out of a chip driver novel. As though there are several he wrote one. Oh there I'm I'm sure. He's playing the singles if not early drafts of them. it's a Brenta's not get it. And he checks him with cheat again going like wait men. What are you trying to say here? And Chidi just saying you are a bad person and Brent tries right like he he goes in his brain and it's like does that check out and he checks in and tries to accept this reality and cannot and he says and this is again it feels a little cavenaugh No I'm not like I'm I'm not. I'm sorry I'm a good person. I'm a good person And then midnight strikes. Yeah just before it does he says Chidi I am so so. It appears as though he's going to say they sorry. Is that fair to say I think so. I don't think I don't think it's meant to be ambiguous that that's what he's intending to say. The sort of analogy we use for what does is that moment represent and I remember we were there was You know we're talking with the actors and with Beth about what what did the the cockroach basically what do they think is happening when they see. I'm so saw an freezes at midnight and the sort of analogy that we used in the writer's writer's room that I sort of brought to set to hopefully help as it's as if you're down. By one point you put up a basketball shot and the buzzer goes off and the ball disappears. And you don't know whether in or not or what it means or anything so it's like you you know shot went up. That looked at the last second language. Should go in but we don't know and now everything's gone. And what do we do. That's likely to satisfy. Yeah it's yes it's a real yet. There were a lot of like other things we talked about in terms of like what could happen at the very end. That might be a little point uptick. That might either either. Put them over the edge or backfire. And not be enough and Lizzie pace just reminding me that one of them that we used a lot in the earlier versions Asians was. There was the possibility that we would see simone and John Driving off and in the glove compartment meant was Brent Book and what they would find as a dedication in the book that voiced the tiniest acknowledgement judgment of the friends that he had made in this year and that was sort of felt sweet and cool. And you know it was going to we something you know. The the basic area would have been like grandiose statement about how awesome this book is and home easing. I am tiny. Thank you to my friends. who proof read it or something like that? Basically oops my bad yes. Basically it feels like time freezes right and the key I feel like the camera clock around or something and it feels as though we've entered a bit of a vortex. Well I think the ideas that time freezes for the subjects okay did their frozen awesome at midnight and we do see. Are you know main casts sort of like reacting to it so it's Marguerite Zero o'clock somewhere zero clock somewhere compounded Marg. Yeah I think the ideas that whatever sort of Jeremy Jeremy were in is continuing but the subjects are put into stasis at this point. Yeah fascinating I have a thousand other questions. They would result in spoilers So I'm not going to Many sinto what's good You are marring outcome. And Yeah I'M WE'RE GONNA TAKE A bus. I think I was listening to one of the earlier. PODCASTS with I- Caribbean Brando An and And Darcy and and yeah and they put it to light the you go above and beyond what is what is called for men and what really resonated me with that podcast is that you know you you come come to work and you do all these things from the panels to the podcast and you do it with enthusiasm with energy and that really resonated native with me because it's as the show is ending. It's like Oh yeah that's what I want to keep in mind in the future and that's what I wanNA keep doing in the future and I've been blessed enough to be able to do this show and Yeah that just that moment and and them saying thank you and me saying thank. You really reminds me of that that Want to continue that energy. I say thank you. Yes Amanda Boys L.. What's good on what's good is I got two girls a PA and eighty on a show the the good place Which teaches everyone to appreciate everyone? No matter where they are on the totem pole. And what they bring to a show and the community Lovin King. What's good? I'll take the easy way out and just say that donut is good. I didn't have a dog before. DONUT and so I didn't know how awesome awesome it was and she really Makes my life better and happier. She lowers blood pressure and stuff and yes. She's a real joy. So you know we actually really during the filming

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55 Disney in NY, Sideline Parenting and Do You Know?

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55 Disney in NY, Sideline Parenting and Do You Know?

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Paltrow's husband however the person we are referring to was Gwen Stefani's ex-husband which is not Gavin. Resto Gwyneth Paltrow disquieted pout. And the funny we were getting the two women confused. They both have different husbands. So I was thinking of Gwen Stefani correct but it was so we got Gavin Roz Daily. But we got the wrong woman. I think Gwyneth paltrow's married to seal. No no clue was married to seal seal guy and I'm GonNa look it up and went so who the fuck was quite paltrow married to there's another whereas Oh here it is. I'm going to say so. Where did I get the Gwen? Stefani's thank you mark field. This is one of our Irish. This is from. This is across the country from Ireland. So the last episode the pond across the pond WanNa be clear. Gwyneth PALTROW was marriage. Chris Martin of Coldplay Gwen Stefani was married to Gavin Rosedale. At least they were both rock singers. Exactly and those guys happen to be alive which kill off any of them. That's good so we'll we'll get everything in it was last time. Go to the very end of the episode Gallagher before we get into today's episode. You WanNa give the listeners and myself a quick rundown of what we're going to be talking about. I do not know who first of all we're going to have the big episode today We are going to start with. We're GONNA talk about number. One Danny had Disney experience locally that I want to get into a. I want to remind him that he needs to be tagging. The podcast when he does these things so our fans can actually see them. That goes to your wife to pass this message on. Yes because she posted. I didn't she's a she's more of a poster than I am L. Get it at all the pictures. I'm still waiting for her. To text me some of the pictures I would appreciate it if the spouses of this family are FA FA. Listen fans out there guys. If you're doing it instant story textile right now me. 'cause the popcorn pictures a good one. I WANNA post that one but all the fans out there do not feel embarrassed to tag this podcast in an instant story. And if your dad out there who is not on instagram. I Oh we understand you many of you come up to us and say I don't like to do beyond social media and that's okay but if you are we're going us just tag us we don't care what you doing just tag us not tell will grow so we're gonNA talk about Your experience the Disney show. Today's episode is brought to you by not who? Oh my God. That's an old school ness quick. Still make this quick like yeah so I actually was complaining to managing because we've been having Hershey's Syrup and I said why don't we do ness quick powder anymore? So she bought Ness Quick Syrup Him. 'cause syrups I'm a ness quick powder guy we do. I will just because we're trying to be healthier. There's a brand called fair life as a high protein chocolate milk. That's in the jar. The other one would lead you to our gain children's chocolate milk if your kids don't eat well like mine. We a high protein jagged shake it. So downsized so anyway we're talking Disney and then we're GONNA DO A. We have a little halloween postmortem yet. I have not much. Maybe tiny bit a quickie. We're GONNA have a QUICKIE WE'RE GONNA RUB it out fast and fast and furiously quickey And then we're going do Our famous segment. What would what did Vinnie do? Is Back with another question? Danny's gas at a three parter for you. Got To figure out what I did. Okay and then. Lastly we have a new with a new segment from fan that we are bringing out and uh-huh in the middle of all of this so Mike. At my daughter's having a sleepover emily. She is everybody. Emily say hi. Amalie what he's saying. Use It next to you. Know where's you're having a sleepover? This is emily. There's so there's no school tomorrow. Everybody Election Day. Listen get out and vote. Rock devoe locally. We want everybody of our fans. Please my father wasn't elected official We would like everybody to an we. Tell everybody to vote smart. That's nice so you haven't been in the basement all day. We reorganized it so anyway. So we before we get into. This mom has a brand new for you Danny where can people find us? If you're a fan of the podcast reminding on Social Media Facebook at Dad's so hard podcast twitter at dad's a hard pod email dad's hard podcast at Jimbo Dot com website. We Are Dad so hard. I'M GOING TO BE DOT COM. That's we never got around to making that Lincoln page but one of these. No I have it on my way to profile. We have a company page are now. I don't I don't think so. We do over website Emily Emily the fans. Want you to go have your sleepover. And then when you're done you can come back down so it's Monday night and the W hassle Janney and it's sleep overnight because there's no school tomorrow yeah you got hoodwinked into that. I saw it but her friends here and I can't have the friend this is like a. I mean who knows so? Welcome to our world so johnny. I notice a photo of you at a Disney event on the weekend which I was not at nor did I know that it was in New Jersey near Westfield I think west is Westfield the city or Westfield like the series of malls it's the town. Okay no because there's a Westfield Mall Company. Oh Yup I could be wrong about the town though but it was like around there. It was somewhere in Jersey At like this like theater be beacon theater. Something like that Anyway it was Disney Hall Disney Junior holiday Oh what's new is that wasn't I wasn't I couldn't figure if it was ice skating or it was on stage so it was all the Disney junior you know vamp arena fancy. Nancy mckeon the roads erasers. Look do they just want to where they do like the segments like they do like and it all builds up like they were throwing a Christmas party actually a holiday party they did a Hanukkah song and I saw they had the Kwanza Candle at one point? They really did. They went out of their way to the those two and then each character brought something new for for the party. Right like fancy. Nancy brought the fancy Fancy Fancy Nancy book series. It's now owned by Disney. Yeah they they give me a what. I'm what they did with. Pj masks okay. They bought the rights to it. And they made a shove for fans Danny remind fans for everybody. Who's listening if you have not listened before Danny is an obsessive Disney Fan. Some People Disney light. I'm on a scale one to ten. Where like four's in our house? You're like a twelfth. Yeah like I can't even tell you. I am so anxious for the Disney plus APP. Did you already subscribe? Yeah did you do the three year deal or are you? Of course it do the three. I do the same. Soda is in the three year deal. I got extra five dollars off one. Something Yeah we did it through. I think our visit are decent Disney Visa Card And by the way if anybody's watching this video on Youtube there is a hidden. Mickey in this podcast. Yup looked at it. I know that's how that's how Jason Mask it's a total. You really are living suit. There are two different sides to I. Keep looking down if you watch. It gets into wondering what I'm looking at Danny Man. That is creepy. It's very that I'm looking at it in the background. It's Jason Nelson is coming down the basement seeing that work serious. No it's well. The lights are awful. I'm scared cat. I can't I couldn't handle that. I call weaned freaks me out. I don't like it I'm not. I'm not address up person. So did you like to show for anybody out there. Who has a kid into Disney? It was it was good. What was the ticket price point or mission at these things but I guess I get it like they don't want kids pissing their pants It was about forty five minutes intermission and then probably about another half hour would you? How much did you pay? I don't know Mary Jane did that. She bought it like months ago. Would you argue that? It's priceless priceless. Would you are forced? All this stuff is priceless. You your kids because I think that is for sure giant popcorn you know. The kids enjoyed a more for sure. I am a big fan of the Disney on ice. Because I like the girls on the streets center and I like I like all like the the sports arena food right like the chicken and the fries and all that stuff so I just. I'm not a bit. We we did what we did a PJ stage production and we lied to the kids at intermission and said it was over because it was so terrible. It was so terrible and then Shane was. Can we go back and I was like no. It was terrible. It was over. I said it's over. It's over if it was the same page when we saw that was revived. Brady's interest in the PJ masks like he was over it. We saw that and then he was back into it now. We saw this one and it was. I can't even tell you what happened. It was like the worst stage production of a thing. I mean it was terrible. It was terrible And so then. Wet rolled into your. Did you do that after Halloween before After we did we did that. Saturday night live so the was the second November second the last day of de la de los. Martha's No wasn't it David Douglas. Week more dose. Okay November first. Okay because I just had this. The girls having a sleepover. We were picking a second movie. They watched mom do. And then well. We went through The financial now APP for a new movie and the one grows ago. What about cocoa? When I was like I think it was his day of the dead. Nocco do no. I meant cocoa to as in addition to as well as well as they Mama Mia two and a couple of times during the movie like this is a very romantic movie because there's a lot of kissing in the girls are. I asked the embarrassed. Watching people kiss And so then it ended. I just put on. I was in cocoa and then they decided to go with Wonder Park that I gave my review. A wonder park. Did you with the knowledge has basically like a terminal illness that you find out to the very end. It's going to be okay. Are you fucking kidding me was I started to watch kids? Why's IT grows year? You want to watch this movie. Doesn't somebody died in the beginning? And they're like she's not dead and Brady so sensitive like just randomly throughout the whole movie house. The Momma Doin' hope she's doing okay Brady because if she's not I'M GONNA lose my mind. I agree I agree. I'm not a big fan of. I'm not that one but these kids they watch movies times friend has seen Mama Mia to seven times. So she knew was going to happen. She was given his previous every seen. What happens next So then What would you have? My Halloween was going to report out. It was the most uneventful I was homely. We've got kids running around. It was raining crappy out here. I was not into it. Yeah I mean. It wasn't crazy eventful. I left work early so that was awesome. Did you go to Ottawa? Do People think you? How many people voted. Oh you should do this. Is it instagram story? Would you Jesus or fat door? I looked away more like fat. Thor on Halloween. We'll put it over the edge. You put a pillow in your belly. Yeah I was fat. That's that that works What was the most unusual? I don't know on our in. I think it was on this story or my own. I took a picture of my kids candy bags and there were some what I would. I would like to actually go off on some of the people in this neighborhood. Who gave out some weird? It was the weirdest the weirdest treat your kids got that you were like sort of offended by pretty standard stuff. This year like typically. We'll get some stuff where it's like the random leaving get that from But now we got pretty standard stuff like Lada. Lot more chocolate than not which I was happy. Oh feel last year. We didn't get a lot of chocolate. Which sucks because like I. Eight thousand calories chart of chocolate of Halloween chocolates before this so that was my dinner. My top three offensive gifts number one the totten number three was pretzels. There's seven bags of principles. That's typically what we get. We didn't get one apprentice. Gyros through know we've got seven. Were Halloween design and then they were bats. So once yeah. I know who you're talking about the next most offensive one we got was smart food popcorn I'm telling you this Peninsula von are you kidding? How can I make White Cheddar? Smart food snack bags you might as well give out like skinny pop. Oh so actually won the number one thing that I just don't I? I actually enjoy it to eat but a little big of carrots. No no this is this is even better than completely does not fit as a halloween. Treat the Individual serving size pringles cups. That's awesome. It was holy no peers. Were they rich? I don't even know where they're from out to every kid. Yeah every couple of space in your house. Well no not the big not the not the sleeve and go on this big. Yeah the one big three two and a half inch big. Yeah the cup. Yeah Y- probably has twenty chips in it. Yes what ten or fifteen. Now maybe ten notes not the not the three insureds like the to injure still dough big but like I. That's not a Halloween treat. When you when you go trick or treating somebody. Who's your pringles? I feel like that's like that's pretty cool. I think none of that had chocolate enough and I was not derailed was. I'm just putting it out there in the neighborhood next year. I need more chocolate West Salt but you get those next year. You give them to me. What what ended up happening was with my kids. Never seen it before. I Love Principles. I was in whichever when you can't stop so Mike. You're gonNA see the tagline. Say Right what is it once you pop. You can't stop pringles those once. You Bet is which it is because remember they would. It's the pop pop off the lid pops off would you were you there in the early nineties when they came up with the pringles with. Olestra to help you lose weight and it was. They were testing drug Olestra. And it'd be basically they put it in a lot of salty foods diarrhea correct. Yeah it was in a big lease that is that I think I thought didn't pringles but I made me out Bakley's I was delicious or zoo is not in them anymore. Now Zoom Zoom but the But so as Shane and emily they were daddy you can eat them and I said listen guys. I know you don't like to take my food recommendations but if you try one trust me you'll love these have no problem in the entire thing so had one and they both fan of the Cheddar pringles. Oh Pizzeria Preval's and oddly enough. You wouldn't think that it'd be it'd be about this but sour cream. You now know multi grain. Ooh They even have green green pringle. Try it all. I'm saying so Danny. To tell you how different our level of purchasing pringles our show. Shane fell in love with them. I go to war anche barbecue. Even where you're going. I should bring him down. You're GONNA be worse because I got a standard stack of pringles limit the standard then. I got the fat free pringles. Okay unnecessary and then I got the fifty percent less salt pringles. I got and then I got another thing of cloud. I think I got a classic Diet. Pringles there's three diet ones so I got them for the kids just to try. Because I thought it'd be a healthy. Why not? Why not and then. I don't think I don't think they wanted to flavors they don't eat it Elliott. Who NEEDS THE SALTS? I've I've A. I've been having circulation. High cholesterol will know what I went to Sedona was on a vacation break couple of weeks ago. Which is why. It's been a few days for the podcast. But I had a cold and like two and a half weeks not two weeks two weeks too high but I was up at five thousand feet above sea level and I had a cold and basically I almost stop breathing because my nobody expanded and there was a to me sitting at a table I just got so big although it so what what other Anything else on your Halloween to report. any reactions to this hallway. And I didn't really see a lot of costumes that I was impressed by now. Like nowadays like I feel like everyone is the same thing again. It was probably the same thing we were kids. We just didn't realize it. What would you mean? They all Because I've saw groups middle schoolers Leiderman Ironman some Black Panthers and do you find a lot of the older kids though drought-like I found the older kids neighborhood. They actually legit with a bunch of girls became like football players and they all walked around us football players together like it was like the older kids. I think like to dress up as the same thing. That's what I've seen. Staten Island mob wives. Yellow gangsters let Greece. They'll just in Gr- grease tbirds and pink ladies. I thought I had to Sneeze GonNa hit me eventually so Danny So that was our halloween. We'RE GONNA go to this segment and I'm GonNa see if I can stump you so three quick. Do you turn into Christmas immediately on November first We put away immediately all Halloween. And we stick We only put three quarters of decorations away. Because we stuck with Thanksgiving forty so we are in the fall theme up at Thanksgiving than the Dave Thanksgiving we wipe out fall and we enter Christmas. We okay yeah because it was funny Friday. Yeah when I came home from work Friday November first. Everything was away. It was crazy like to the point where like. I walked in house and didn't realize that the decorations were away and then like it took me a second and I'm looking around and I think agent saw me like start to notice and she was like. Yeah you see decorations so what the fuck happened. When did you do this so women? I have to tell you my wife dark of night. They're all on a pile. I know I had actually put them away. 'cause she's not a tupperware a closet person she's just put him on a pie. Wild thing a tomato so wait. What about now. How Long Is Your Candy Bowl Jar? Your kids cannibals still accessible there candy bags unfortunately are we put them in a closet. That has a chain lock on it. So they know where they are. They know where they are and I keep going into it to the point where I just throw it all away. Why bring it to work? I remind the work we officially yesterday. It was our yesterday. We took the bags and we put him in another room and they have forgotten about them so as of yesterday. Thank the Halloween. Our House is officially you? Yeah whatever anyway. What were you saying? So this is the new deserve. Were four four or five weeks into this new segment. So it's really not new coat. We stopped the segment. No the one. That's super popular. The vinnie one yet is what did Vinnie do? I thought people didn't like that. Now people right in. I think it's hysterical. So when we when I say people don't like it is it just means doesn't like it. Yes it's just you got it. Look so this I'm GonNa tell us so to remind people with this. I'm going to give a situation that has occurred in my life and then I'm GONNA ask. Danny what did I do but I will give him three multiple choice responses. And if you're at home you can please you're listening. Please play along. And if you're a fan of this on talk to your podcast. Talk to yourself if you're going Iran. If you're in your car think about what what would what do you think I did in situation. And maybe reflects. What are you doing with your computer than it's shaking? Oh moving it's it's me. Keep moving it. Somebody watches youtube a stroke. I know you're GONNA give up see shock. Emily is so this occurred at my daughter's soccer game over the weekend third-grader soccer girl on girl seven. I mean young girl. It's young girl on young girl. Action Seven and seven uninhabited. Just sign off in to listen. It's it's six girls on the field on a goalie. Six girls in and and this year the team started out strong and then they Halfway through they hit the skids. And were we. Were in a losing streak and everybody know of you listening you know. I have a love hate with being a soccer dad on the sidelines sometimes yelled too much. Sometimes junk you love and everyone else hates it. So the last two games though Because of my schedule I have not been able to beat last. Two Games so I I was and they both lost. They lost last two games. I was not there so we went to swing by common denominator comment. Maybe it's so it was cold out. Anybody in the northeast was about forty five to fifty five degrees out this past Saturday morning. Nine o'clock the girls out there warming up the game starts off the bat two minutes and Bam other team scores. A goal. Part of it was due to emily kicking the ball in front of her own goal. So that was not good. The five minutes later. Emily goes passes the ball again in front of her own goal. Okay the other team scores okay. She sat him up. She knocking down. He set him up she. She gave it away. Give it away. Yup She subs out. They bring another squad I was. I was no offense but they were there game so that they have enough girls where they can sub in a whole the other girl. The other team had one sub. Emily's team like six suddenly seemed fresh legs. He's girls but they were. They were just can plow rush. So halftime comes. It's like five zero. And they're usually at Emily's team nice orange soccer game and there and this is this is a good a good group of girls That just weren't showing up for this game. So second half were there. Twenty five minute half were now. Ten minutes into the second-half It was zero zero. No no more goals were scored in the second half. But it's ten minutes in and then all of a sudden. The other team scores a sixth goal. Okay so Danny. Yeah at this point about twelve and a half minutes left in the game. What did Vinnie do? I'll tear it option one I is that I packed up my foldable chair. Okay I and walked into the parking lot at the hell out of the car and I sat in the core. Watch the rest the game in the car because it was cold out barris and I was just tired. Yup Nap Shin option to is. I ramped up my cheering and I basically ridiculed these girls to try to win and scored at least one goal by Yelling at them and making sure that they knew to step it up and how I felt as the as a third would call myself the third coach yet. We're option three is I decided to celebrate the success of the opposing team and I just cheered on the other girls by being like great job. Blue Dark Blue. You guys doing great way to go. I mean that would be diabolical out of those three choices Danny. It's Saturday morning now. Practically nine forty five. Am If you laugh. I think we do. Do you think that's that was the choice? Yeah people at home. Please make your decision before I do. The reveal probably cheered on the. You're probably cheered on the other team. You know me you don't me. What what do you really think in my crate illusion team your lunatic Janney. You're lucky I gave you a second chance at life. You are correct. Yeah being being being option was that without was that option to substitute option three. I decided that point to go. You know what these other girls are working hard. These other girls are even where they were from. I don't know what town they were from. They were kicking butt so I said let's go go. I support girls. You and five of this other team way to go blue. You guys are hammer and you were taken to them. Keep it up. Good job goes good job at the end of the I. You know I systematically as somebody said. Listen you're not everybody knows how to win. And you're you has a really good losers and keep losing and you can only go up next season. You can only win. You can only go up But that other team got to give it some. They were great really skilled really great. How'd you take that Partly I think she was hungry and partly she does not like to lose that on the way home she did have a breakdown and started crying and screaming because like she was hungry and pissed and she's I was screaming at the other girls. I mean she claimed it was not our fault and then she said that she almost got a goal in but the other girls an impasse a tour which then I reminded her. It's okay that you almost got a goal but that means nothing because you actually help them score two goals so you didn't stop any and she was a custom my fault. I know I know I go well. The problem is and she was just more upset that she almost. She almost got a goal which I tried to remind her. She should have been more upset that she let your goals it so It was a rough. It was rough Saturday now. We have two games left. Yup and they're apparently I have not been banned by the Silane yet. I'm still allowed there. I mean it's about like again there. We're GONNA do although I did. You know what I did you when the game was over. Since we couldn't clap for our daughters who played I turn to all the parents of the port washing sock club. And I said. You know what Bob's Dad's let's give ourselves a had we came. We showed up in this cold weather. We were and we. We supported our daughters. So I think when I let a cheer from all the parents because we were Tired unhappy you know what it's like to watch your kid. Lose brutally was the worst the worst yell at that doors yet. A travel at the trump forty five minutes for this shit on Saturday morning. Get up at six hundred seventy but worse. Oh terrible So that's what I did. Congratulations to our winters at home at sounds like a shitty weekend as issue by the way if you want at home let us know and the DM's and Danny may send you a t-shirt Faulk in twenty twenty. You may get you could earn a t shirt of you. If you claim that you got the question right I keep forgetting to do that and Janet can you please send you? Remind me I have reminded you in Tex- previous winners reach out to us. Dan You send our fans not shirt. Text Me Wednesday. Are you going to be a mailbox on Wednesday November? Have all the shirts in my my office? Let's a great place to be handing them out your friends family. Bring them fucking home. I hand them out to employees. You hand them. Ho- What about your friends? You wear one and your kids and your mom and Dad Danny your brothers and sisters and siblings and cousins. Staten Island should be. I should go. They should be bleeding red t-shirts and staten island. So point bleeding. Red Ones Okay Now now next now that you got me all riled up around that you never fall asleep tonight. I'm not one more segmented. You have a brand new segment so this is one where thanks to our viewers in our fans a de Gar. Something g mail wrote US IN. A couple of weeks. Can't give people's g mail so I didn't see the whole one date guards. Diyar something something something that you I don't really remember. I don't know allegis but his name is Dave and he's a fan. Dave what just Dave Dave. Thanks Dave Dave Dave. You're out there. We know you're a big shot up. And he came up with a new idea for a segment and this segment is. I don't think we have a name for it or its name. Did you know or do you know we're GONNA call it this? Do you know all remind me. Danny after this is over I have a Hashtag thing to tell you. Okay we're starting one But anyway so this is called. Do you know so a lot of our kids out there and this is sort of what was the genesis of it is for guys or Kim people out there. Don't have kids. We have kids who listening. We're GONNA start to educate everybody on certain things are kids are doing so that if you not aware of it maybe you're going to be aware of it after this segment and it's GonNa be fun because I'm GonNa ask Danny if he knows about something and we're GonNa See. My bet is his no cool talking about and he's going to have to figure it out on his own. I'll know you're talking. Okay Danny I am going to ask you. Do you know. I've got my pulse on it on on this on kid on kid culture this kid culture one zero one. Do you know who. Everley rose is Ding Dong Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding Dong Ding. So if you don't who she is I literally will be able to give you a hint without the whole game going up to shit so the point of the game is for you to try to guess who she is described who you think one person is. Non Disney. I just come up with the answers. I want you to paint the picture. Commit to something you know what this is who she is committed to it. And then we'll see if you're right or wrong. Why can take an educated guess? Because I'm starting to remember your text about we're GonNa talk about. I just told you talk about something that my daughter does or nose or this is something obviously these these at some kind of enter form of entertainment for children. And what would say describe her in the life of my life of kids? Who Do you think this woman is? And we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA see how right or how wrong you are. She accused singer. No you describe how old she is. Paint the picture of who you think she hasn't there. We're gonNA figure outright alone. Say She's probably sixteen okay. What about was shook? Like if I had to guess I would say she's maybe someone from the descendants that sings Where's your social media of everyone's on social of course what's her platform of choice? Instagram and what she posted on instagram picks nudes video singing videos. What's yeah singing videos? She by herself with friends. Nash by herself Does she what is she doing just sings? She Doing Karaoke for a sixteen year old. Yeah she's just thinking I'm going to start looking at up at. What does she watch? What does she watch what she wary? Wish you wearing. Every rose what is a modus everley. Rose wearing ours ours. Okay moved it totally. Did it looked like a day? Just moves your Jason so okay so what me for people listening at home? You mean I'm going to let you know Danny is completely wrong. Oh really yes. Every rose is a eight year old girl or seven year old now and she has a massive massive following on Youtube instagram. Because her parents she is part of if anybody doesn't know them the Lebron family so this family is a husband and wife. I believe there from like Nashville Tennessee. They have two kids one kid maybe every roses their daughter. They legit have. I emily what we're watching. We're youtubers a will you stick your Michael. Can you hear me? Yes still working the point here. Danny's Russa's these this family. These two parents have had this girl doing youtube video. Since two thousand twelve for the past like five years everything from une boxing stuff to just go with a target so literally cooking and making slide so she had a newell is not only. Do they have at the end of the youtube videos. Do they say go to our website. Graham was Ryan's world even born yet. Oh destroy every Rose Ryan's nobody compared to Everley and the father call the why the the mother they have. I counted quick instagram. They have believed between the three of them nine accounts and they all have millions of followers as. We're GONNA tag them in an instagram post later tonight. So every rose up. Do you ever seen her on video. she has her own instagram with four point. Eight million followers and she's eight years old. I mean I can't with her And the MOM. The fathers in his coal the door. The mother's name is Sav. It's very interesting. In the La- Brandt family yet set at Savannah. Rose La brand is the MOM. She's a Youtuber wi-fi and a girl Mama And she wants to be kind so Wants to what be kind. That's our instagram profile. World Her instagram profiles. Right here. Ready ver that's the MOM. The MOM is founder is SAV doubt Lebron. Oh she is a child every rose you six years. Old No yeah. She's I think she's seven technically now these videos and I think I don't want to say Shanley there's old yes. She's six six. Yeah I love to dance and have fun with my family. So she is a big star on our house because my daughter. Oh we follow her yet. I know I said she's seven accounts we just fought tonight but but if you have a daughter out there who's on Youtube we've talked about Ryan's toward world. I would say checkout Everley rose And her parents and the family and if you haven't checked it out they sound like old money. No I don't get any money. You see their house. I mean I have some money not WANNA insult them. But they're not like the brands. I feel like the Lebron's very rich. They became rich on Instagram. Because they have a milk. These people of Powers Elmer's glue is one of their main sponsors Savannah. Rose Lebron is the mom I mean that is. That's an American named. There's everyone me. I love to give it out to SAVANNA. They're not to look at no. You know listen this guy Cole was doing very well for himself looking no bad. No I'm saying he's ads. Could look in there the he. They're very good looking family. Looks like a surfer. They actually looks like it'd be brother and sister. I don't WanNa say that. Yes they could be they High Energy they're also probably I'm GONNA guess in their late twenties. These guys are they're given out there. They look like they're in college that if somebody wants to be an instagram or they have a million instagram handles. Though I don't understand I'm finding them from all over the place. I don't understand what they do. They just post videos of their daughter and their family doing games take her shopping. They do. Some of the Games are educational. They play like spelling games and if she gets if she the other day okay. This is one where the mom the MOM. They're just instagram. Irs agents all they do. She's just posting pictures. All they fulltime influencers so the other day Danny. They did a game where they had spin a wheel. I don't get this will give me tell you one thing they do. They spun a wheel and the wheel stopped on one wetter and Everley rose had its spell a word starting with that letter and if she spelled the word correctly her parents ordered a target to buy the word she spelled so she stopped on the word She stopped on the letter. I and she spelled the word ipad ipod and that her parents at the target and bought an ipod. This is the game that they play their house. Then it and then like literally if you will buy it. That's the new American family or the La- brands these there there. I mean let's celebrate them for for working social media system hiring but if you have a kid out there who who's on us on Youtube I'm telling you folks folks you WanNa like them and I want to go out of my mind with them. There's another one deer dearly. Sav Dot ever so I do. I do WANNA which one they want us to use. There's they have like nine or ten instagram's apparently I guess they just. They must have switched them all up. They must test them out there for different purposes because there's a lot of eulogists very religious. Oh yeah the other thing says Jesus cages each time. That's it no. I think they are. No they're very Coal the Brandt so the husband's cola brands and his thank you he's he. He has his description youtuber. Who LOVES JESUS? Living for God not for the man. I'm in love mysexy wife and two beautiful daughters. I mean this this is family. Has It all? They're living life. They're living for God and not for the man. I mean me and Danny. Wait for this podcast. Maybe one day. We won't work for the man. Danny Riskin wish for each other for the man. Yeah we I work and live for the man. Thank God but But they are a fund. They actually have a fun. Listen I like their energy. I watched them on Youtube. And if you haven't checked them out check him out. Maybe we'll have on the podcast Monday. Danny I'm pretty sure they're not going to be on our by Why not put it out there? Coal brand is an official ask. I'll going to send A. Dm WILL TAG. You subsidize yeah. Let's see what happens Sudani let's just go back to who you thought everybody. Rose was a sixteen year. Old Girl totally wrong singing karaoke on the youtube video. How did emily find out about her? Will when you go to youtube and you watch youtube in you find unpacking videos every rose and bay. There's actually have a friend so this goes back a year ago. When we first used to them they actually had another saw another couple. They were friends with where they would do. These videos where they would travel places and then have mysteries and then you have to like they. Would you hitting clues find stuff? And then now they did one where they made slime the other day and Everley rose. His friend came over the house and low behold we found out in the video was. I don't think she has regular friends because while they were in the middle doing slime with the friend day then crossed promoted. Defense and just round and said. Hey if you like Sarah over here. Make sure you check out. Sarah's videos on youtube to her worse so the cross promotion out of control so think it's something I learning about but that was this week segment Danny of do you know that was good. I liked it. I didn't like so much guessing part. I thought that was a waste of time. I think maybe we just get into telling people about the new one. No but the idea. Is that if you could come up with a ridiculous descriptions some giving you the name and then it's Funnier for you to say from me to reveal what it actually is okay. That's the point. Now you can do to me as well if you had something that you discovered or researched about ten minutes of Diligent Kushtia Media Research for this call tonight all right. I think I got something for next week. Maybe not well. It's a we I will next bega solve next week for work. Oh that's a nice trip against you. Can you take the podcast? Where your t shirt in Vegas and tagged the podcast on ought to be wearing my podcast t shirts event. You're not working all the time. It'll be a casino for fellow are going to be like productions and shoots and you you're GonNa be working twenty four seven. You'RE NOT GONNA get five minutes by herself. Go the bathroom. Yes then I'll change into my podcast. Okay listen promote yes. Always listen before you go to bed at night. You spend two hours up at late at the Casino. We need some heavy hitters. Be Promoting will always be this. Maybe one day we'll get a free trip For our ourselves and our fans this podcast successful people listening. Maybe somebody will offer me a danny a trip and then we'll be able to give a trip away so we can only do that if everybody promotes us and tells us that they want us to be successful. You're right many right you're right. We're doing this because of a new. Hashtag that Danny are going to be starting and the Hashtag is has checked us to. We're starting that yes restoring. Because it's not just about parents and all the stats. So it's about us too but I don't think I want to touch that. Well you just touched it now. I wiped it on your vetoing that no. I have the log into over accounts. I'm GONNA walk knowing that we're not doing us to. We're not competing with me to the only competition they up with us. This is this is like when people tried to change black lives matter all lives matter we are. We're not doing this. We're doubling down for us too because we're dads. And all the dads out there have to unite against a cause and this causes to remind people dad's or parents to of choked up. This is my voice cracking up this episode up. I'm trying to my boy. I'm in the middle of a Peter. Brady my voice cracking. When it's time to Change Steinbach. Everybody was doing us to every comment. We're GONNA put this as an instagram story. Question or you with US or without us. Are you going to ask you to? I'm not doing that you can. I will do when our if our fans agree. Target will weaken her. Well listen what see it takes off. What do you do when the twitter verse takes off? The today show's coin. Because They WanNa beat these two dads that are championing. The cause of Fatherhood. Okay has check us to idea for a book. I actually thought we're going to change the book title. Tash tag us to which by the way everybody listening big developments in the book arena. 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Episode 4: Beneath the Surface

Something Who

1:43:26 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 4: Beneath the Surface

"Komo Richard Stop Daydreaming this like a nightmare. What's his I keep glimpsing something out of the corner of my eye. Yes they're funny. Any these reflections on this award that goes with it truck tainted that's it. What's same `Tatoes Act. I didn't quite catch it something about tractors. Maybe like on the Listen Tab Richard Richard Drug Status of seeing them absolutely sorry you've seen teeters and someone's been dragging them pool. I think he's speaking Yorkshire. It's kind of base memory a think. It's important my home track datus of seen all this before. Ooh I think he's not over his lego bricks home and he's still trying to find the fall my toes. We must get into the service get help. They were there waiting destroying us from the inside sounds like something coming up from his past like a memory picture for his hungry. He waits to eat. It is forcing himself to remember. I can see them via. The appetite beneath the ground track datus is Western. I know fed. He seems to believe there are people who hate tracks that he's been Lou. Bob Again headed in this guy putting Hello Hello I'm Richard. Welcome to there's something who episode for so poppy. New Hosts are podcasts satistics about how many people are downloading our podcast and where they come from and well that little bit of music was a snatch of all. I WANNA do by Sheryl Crow's tribute to California which has been hotbed of recent downloads. Um anyway this evening. We will come back pool to something who for the first time in the middle one yeah we're all it feels like a very long time completely forgotten how this works even though is incredibly simple. I just from my mouth and and speak to and I but I can. I can barely remember yeah I episode two so there was a two and a half in there as well so we're absolutely delighted to have you back and Indie Joyce. You can't get rid of me now. You're you're here for the fourth time severely glued plus. A coastal has thirteen casts. Glen Yeah Okay Yeah well. You know what the county's coin first bit of important business today is to is to be quite emphatically the fact there's been no revolution here at something who and despite the rumors. I'm staying at showrunner for the foreseeable future McKay four more years four more years so that Timothy and the other week Udom US been unceremoniously sacked and will be placed despite spreading scurrilous indeed there I would so just remind anybody who's forgotten or those who are coming for the first time what we do here at something who is to compare two stories this one from the old series of one from new which have some sort of linking theme some some of the Lincoln themes are obvious and some of them are a little bit last so pull this one was your idea We're comparing today frontier house and the other one. I remember the name the hungry Earth yes that classics that nobody ever forgets didn't scroll down far enough away. Severe Midway through new isn't it. It's right there in the middle. Yes yes. It was my idea. I'd like Klay my thought long and hard about it. All the Dow was deliberately session for the most tenuous link and could find. I'm not sure why popped into my head. Possibly I was looking for an excuse to include frontieres at night anyway. Hope Hope it works yeah yeah yeah. I'm sure I'm sure it will just another one could have been from the web planet couldn't it. Thanks John woodlice theme too late now. Let's mindset movement by listening to winter bench. I think it's too much vassals suite for any attempt to follow up on that so I'm trying to remember we do now. I the only thing that we launch almost immediately into a discussion of frontiers which is great for some reason my head. I had it the other way round. But of course we always easy classic story. I mean we we do. I wonder whether we should do. Should we do the other way round for that very reason to mix it up a bit. I it matters to me not George whichever one you'd like to talk about I do. I've watched some in them. I've watched them in the other older. Yes so I I was hungry. I found ANCO plowed. I it is more as kind of as a matter of getting the chore as the way. She could enjoy the Athol water but that she came out of it was am with a bit of a different opinion on that same boilers spice because often kickoff us off. I guess my general opinion was I thoroughly enjoyed watching that and I've been bracing myself and I'm really not gonNA enjoy enjoys and I had a member of it being a bit being low point in that season but the thing was paps. It still is the thing I I've gotten quite how good cities fife was from my point of view. I think now that I've tended to look down on damn damn damaged along with diversity Mafa David to some extent in your same the same foltz not decide Avi ev you don't belts who smoke points but I think and it was. It was actually refreshing to suddenly come back to it and say Oh yes yeah. I mean quite engaging. Gauging couches Massey's lovely before he starts before to be honest before they stopped rising rising into the scripts when he's just being when he's bringing to eight himself interesting yes so so a difficult now much I how much enjoyed cities five as a whole how much I enjoyed watching that that team at the time it was reformed as a sign of being I let the DVD runoff left them and went straight into Vincent and the doctor Gail stick around for a bit more this so yeah I agree and and disagree with you. I did indeed think this is more fun those expecting. I think that was almost entirely because mom's recent memories of doctor who are season. What was it eleven eleven and coming in. Thank Goodness Christine that's yes. That's the other factor sure Kohl's. I think co blood was any better or worse than I remembered it. It was exactly the same. I also like season five fold. I thought it was a weak point in the season series at the time and still do in terms of expectations. I think the thing that surprised me most is not a chip was any better than I remembered but that's the extent to which is better written and more entertaining than anything in season eleven. Did you say a camp account campus number things of which is better than anything for most recent season is just because he's writing. Somebody else's characters. The eleventh doctor and Amy and rory were inherited by him and he has a good a good gut rice in them. I I don't think he writes them as well as Malfa or indeed most of the other writers that employed and yet he can't help because he's competent enough to to ride characters vaguely in line with that that brief they help it'd be much more interesting than the characters invented sadly for when he took over Sheridan himself the rest of the support it costs. I don't find particularly gripping then neither real nor engaging enough to justify being being that two-dimensional dimensional Alf Sarah so anyway. I guess I didn't really like him well. I'd say I was so somewhere in between the two of you. Are I remember not being a good. I watched it and thought this is a bit better than I thought but it still wasn't a highpoint but you know what it was all right. Yes I met with inside disliked. I liked it there. There are one or two aspects I disliked but that some they were just minor details. It's small because I just want my doctor who to be better than the average wanted to be rather beige amalgam of half remembered ideas from the classic series which wish reformatted repackaged in a way that doesn't make them entirely new or or indeed entirely traditional just some some bizarre no-man's-land sats always fell to me is almost in a classic. Pertwee Evan. You've got the energy barrier you've got oh. It's the the people drilling into the scientific yes. It's all too obvious yes. If it was an actual scientific perfect base it also people clipboards then then that would really see the deal that was a vision of the future and we we with air now so now we won't have to be set in a coal mine. Yes Sir let it go sit in twenty twenty. I think the energy barricade was the one one one of many notes to the air. Just thought was really gratuitous had an came and went with no particular reason. I thought McLaren Martha is what it thinks. Though I see why he's done that so you can make it can have a bit more atmosphere but then dispute again they lights and that was to Moan about production issues. It didn't just go dog. It turned into night. We suddenly had folk rolling rolling across the floor in the in the graveyard. They clearly everyone who filmed those dark sequences was thinking is night. not the script was asking for so that that just completely baffled me and it's falls foul of that trap that I'm always moaning about with somebody's piece together close of ideas. Sometimes it's conceptual ideas. Sometimes it's just visualize as all thing all riffs from the classic series they've stolen Mash together and I say when it does when it's done badly is like making a cake with Roy ingredients and just falls apart again it fails to bind fails to rise and he's on on the whole I thought he was making the most of study underwritten characterization eleventh dilkes. He was having a little too it so Johnson. You think this is from an era when before the carrots are being overwritten. I think there was a happy middle grant whether the writers providing just fast enough whimsey and Matt was rift was waiting on that but from the years. It's the it's no. I tend to be a sleepover when you get to sue six. It's immediately playing stuff went down well in series five seventy fifth some months the other while we're talking about that a repulse your your son civic interesting very early on they the scientists boasting that they have drilled down further into the earth anyone ever has before awesome majorly thought of Inferno it seems a bit unlikely because Inferno Shiny Scientific Base in these people just in a coal mine but they they do quite twenty kilometers Saddam yes. Does anyone remember how they they penetrated and fun. I good question I'm just wondering just go good good Lena Mojo of each discontinuity. I didn't say his it's the boundary between the customer mantle said sped same all slightly baffled that it was the whole point was that the silence living that far down in it well and release a throwaway line that they are actually living much further the Dennis. I think I think when when Messenger missiles carry had the rookie this I believe when they come out in the city. I think Matt says do you down than than the than the stuff while twee halt one we yes because somebody has read descriptions and unsettle. Excuse me I shouldn't be too hot down here a wizard vo the if you're going to pick up on the science point in this in this story it has we've got to we've got to deal with the same dynamics of no one else is. GonNa wear yeah and we'll I just hand way away everything else which I will mostly come Muncie but just took the oversee stuff and obviously but he's also got that the future I mean movie scene is yet another. We put oil on photo yeah. Does it pay off in any important way what it does in after movies died anticipate into crack we then. I please have self. He doesn't know that was that served in some ways. It's almost yeah. The other one is is it dangerous being clever the actually take that same the thing that we kind of as eat take the single as as seasons seasoned curtly watchers knowing knowing all the things that is referencing although causes possible. CICIS seasonal price thing that it's am that this was incensed by instead though it's yeah we we spent we know how that plays out that the don't succeed. ABC's the other side of the more that they see the other side of it in somewhere other instance we instead of taking on a different way by plays favorites. This is classic plenty the things I did like about it having slated to entice story at the beginning I will. I will try to mention some of them. Began their clever except what does that mean does that mean that she was imagining she saw warrior that star out there we could have a whole podcast because she doesn't remember having seen his food. Nas Right but but but who's who's who's with Ra the start there in waving from the other side that was Louis but the crack evasiveness this relief in the but if he doesn't know is always being based in the darn so I followed up if he's been a race intially he's been raised anyway. PEYOT Sushi writing. I suppose you're right in saying that you need. We need to be raised on. Both sides hang on a minute. I'm not I'm not going to get dragged into conversation. At that time. Trump no thanks for my limited understanding collection of crack works seized until until they actually until they go into the crack notes lake disappeared and then then everything out of wood of history in one go as I go from that being that being the kind of of how severe written out of history. Yes yes yeah but we we never see. I think that's that was interesting. 'cause I imagined what in in time of angels or ill fleshing every was you the stone that when those guys disappeared they were simply written out people's memories but we think there are now adjective history. Yes they are yeah. Okay what's interesting but in a non secular fashion ah because obviously is no diversion time of the flow of time where they never existed is is a science fiction version where you can change the past I Yeah I might I might make a vague attempts to bring us back to this when we get from us because they just doesn't involve time travel. It's yeah. I'll say for say fail. Can I say completely different. Can I have one. She's the worst segue whatsoever. I'm going to say because we did briefly touch on whether it's actually season eleven and we don't characterization. I didn't notice don't there's a lot of making observations followed by asking questions to try the plus loan stuff out to make sure the ordinances fitting isn't feeling left behind and then asks OSC non rhetorical questions in exactly the way I think I spotted the the thirteenth doctor doing and her first few stores. Econo- Taylor off I remember being quite keen on that as a chip nor characteristic and I hadn't noticed I didn't realize that he did it in earlier stories but Stephanie I think distinct him. It's almost admirable except that particular way he does it but this attempt to keep the other efficiently and briskly make sure the audience is keeping up with the important. Yes yeah yes I. I wasn't looking out for that that I think you. I'm intrigued. Really you call a couple of interesting new things about the about Hillary. It's except that one of them isn't all that interesting what you said it's wearing a mask. I mean it's a nice dramatic moment except there's no obvious reason why they'd be wearing masks really other than it's been more scary and then looks more like a underneath it literally have no idea what it it would have made if who's for the defense and it would have made sense if the mask bit more likely original. Siberians take that off and the here today that would have to work in context for new fans and we have meant something to the old fans here. They look scary. Texas Mouse Gulf have human stall features is math. Could we seen we would have said which is the production decision said they could be relatable but they still have been the first one we meet at any rights behaves and a monstrous fashion and so it's not quite as big a contrast as it could have been for example. Nice Sam Soliman Dr Science sure and then you get the sting whips yeah. The tongue which are not remind me isn't isn't isn't the on thing they seem to graft it in here yes yes. It's a supposed sensors that particular out reptilian traitors the the flicky tongue unease but not the poisoning. I think a biologist but no I think he'll I think you're clever enough said the yes well. It's possibly a you'd have to move my Miam- my pal down Nice you insititue detachable geology podcast to get chapter and vessel famous bouts property the reference. They're thinking of here anyway. I will be the ones that started is it dressy cokes we will know and whistler now is addressing poke. Isn't that the one with the fact that comes out of his armed Seinfeld's. He's running away and spits poison that yes yeah. Yes okay so that's that's pretty reference. Welcome whether there's any justification for that so they gain the flicky tongue the poisoning ability they lose the third. I ooh gained stipulates understood Robinson Peter Halliday. I I can't comment. I entirely understand over changes that of a mate and I can't entirely blame them. I mean as you say. It feels like this sort of thing of reptile mindue. Where's the dye was that we Swedish assault school fan so we'll ask you something. Have they have a third either can melt holes in broke and gives them telepathic powers. He's trying to explain blended. We try to expand to a new audience can see why they dropped it. I don't know that you toes might now. The said better granting another venomous tone this. There's medics listened on on New Zealand's cool to chew. It's wrong just go to the studio said I how we CPAP. Eh comes actually telepathic well. No we're all melt housing broke in the most third I could ever do was see the economy yes and accomplishment do that now okay to me. That's where Malcolm help. I think it might be yes and this is his. This is fashioned going offended enough to it's but yeah. I did wonder at the time while again I just kept saying not used it easy to animate her third. I Miss Teenage witness. Yeah whatever or defines the to make up a bit it disappoints in the over humanizing so I've done a quick wikipedia search which is my normal pit of research and we suggest that there aren't very many any venomous lizards and most that are are biters. Robinson Stingers Got K. Anyway but obviously another is different from mine. K. and I spent that they just dis-official from the mouths. I suspect that the developing is said he density simple the budgets issues. I think I'm pretty sure do you remember seeing ever back at the time or rather shortly. After the time the they did try several other designs and awesome. I think it was nail. Golson had created a version. It looks a lot more like yes siler and I hated the you know in the vein of all so is updated some towns nicer so lear and they just decided to go for something probably because the way the script had been written. We needed to be able to identify with them. Nowadays you know with nose in the air the web planet anymore nowadays that means you. They think the audience contact info something doesn't look a bit human joy always thought and she I ain't going to be a bit critical. Eh always thought it was missing the entire point of the story I mean it's all about the fact that we shouldn't be afraid of things just because they look different look that different than he's undercutting them. moral the entire story eyesight had still had the third. I the the Donald Trump mom voice. So what do we think about a layer and this the idea I that she's GonNa get yourself killed in order to provoke a war night. That's one of my things like more about the plot. That was more interesting interesting. It's quite sophisticated. Devious yeah cutting yeah I mean it's more intelligent than anything anything in the doctor sirens where we have good Sullivan bad celerion and solar scientists don't we the young solid hilariously angry in the original story front trendsetting rather petulant and challenges rather the increase juvenile uh-huh. I also thought as an aside a couple of things that hadn't aged very well with this with the titles tortoiseshell for that matter. They both a little bit less impression. Damn well titles absolute very good but they particularly didn't very good compared with the Davis era titles. Unequally Todd wasn't doing that while either. Some things did look a bit data. Yes that I feel the music. All the way through was pretty awfully. was I mean I it was never really hated marigolds work but I thought this wasn't Elsa wasn't bright inspired. This week mixed very badly so low. Hello is called concision seventy could use to complain it was too loud in here anything on the music and snakes well not bothered yeah. Instead of me completely ought to say you mentioned that they must be music owner but women but innocent events that I've got. I've got a few more nights. Onside Lorenzo are inside the first sighting southern's running around the graveyard despite the inexplicable dry ice floating around the teams that silence the that was quite the trying to tap into sort of go story vibe on and off and that's one of the points. The production in. I'm single ways does that any favors always in sympathy with Chris was up to but that's one section where where it's quite well in fact we didn't really finish talking about what's her name again. The seller in case humane help us just plan. Checchi knows that when she says I know which which one of you will kill me. That's quite misguided knowing enough about psychology dentist that is a bit contrived do quite like that although there was there's a flip side to everything isn't a how she's I know. Apes Hachinohe apes where they were just little scarring mammals when she was last. Ah Let's get onto national does not know humans what she means is only know humans on a human psychology and she doesn't that must be a complete lie so that beam. I'm so popping up every now and they explained that in part to which this is the thing no. I didn't watch sorry sorry listeners. I've been trying to keep keep that from you for as long as possible tons of come clean I because I only watched part one because that's where the the semi tangential links Ktar from. TLC site yet interested in siler and I just want to Korea yes. We're allocate does come up with something and it's just like what what the Hell's been going on here. Because basically that's the thing to the end of the second episode Kinda veils and just spending getting the little boy oy out of cold storage where they've had an so he he cincinnati. He's been down there for a couple of hundred on his own so presumably full before any of the military woke up because because of the assistance picks up the threat of encroaching drill on pockets and he says and it doesn't his his family have been you know other scientists have been working there for centuries and but the thing is he then and talking the talk about the case. I you know the kids just slowed down their life cycles and put them into storage so this is the implication and just this is just off the masses out to the dumpsters at as had some line about. I kind of love you Matt Gay. VIVISECTION is solution saloon scientists who's been just in case. I haven't been critical enough about this story. That was the thing I hated. Most that is absolute nonsense. He does the same thing in part one which I did watch where he's babbling on about how Beautiful Alicia keys although he doesn't admit I'm going to read that is one of my notes is quite route his fiscal as you all beautiful and I I just yes of course no. I'm not saying that the doctor shouldn't see the beauty you see you know sentient creatures but he doesn't want to mirror silence a your beautiful. Why is he so excited to see US earlier in again. I just think it's a bizarre Shalom home the St James Blunt of yes he doesn't it doesn't mentally turn on a sixpence immediately totally starts at ten coupled on her and pat intended so so that seems better Panova in in part to that's just not your so so yes there. There is an implication that they have been snatching people for a long period from this foam position even village above over from the surrounding neighborhood and there's also implication that they've been because he told specifically about children PLO that there should be some other kids in cold storage down there the thinking income convenient you've forgotten about and at that point the some fairly predictable vacillation with stack sex and she's going to Goto and take over. It's a little bit a little bit lighter brexit negotiations because essentially you then they're making quite good progress progressive coming up with a deal and then you know the thugs come along decided not happy with that and they're not going to support the deal so what they do is they just decided perspective on the whole l. thing for a while and the hope that Berta come back to again everything sorted itself out but you know I caught in this cases thousand years rather than six months really feel as if if that's going to anything much that's a source. That's such a good analogy. Yes yeah just thinking I mean. Toxic fumigation might actually do a good job on the car anyway. I mean I is the gas us yet what you were saying with the Go-to this thing events are the knowing which one will kill them. One of the big issues as I have with this I don I kind of I kind of feel like I get. The AX is bitten possibly realistically. They're not. They're not the kind of muscle t Davis ones absolutely come. I'm seeing off the page with with a couple of videon the lines but I I kind of think this is like this the disadvantage setup place two streets in terms of it's not a million miles away from Bul church and you can have that. We've gotta this tiny bubble cost at least I it wasn't it wasn't making my skin quote in the way that his constant ill-founded attempts to space and spent Duhalde Boil Space Toke stomachaches absolutely I'll give you that made my main my knuckles ativity time every every time he does it so I feel like it was kind of plaintiff's streets in that regard thoughts the thing that does set my teeth on edge router is unfortunately ambrose. WHO's I love. The most important thing in our no shit with is just to Wayland the actress Butts Yeah. I just feel like I'm sure whether it's the action so whether it's live but it's way she's written. 'cause I think personally I I kind of feel for me she. She's one note throughout this year. For the moment we mito unfortunately the the the the script but to pursue but serving position where the first thing is has gone missing. The second thing is is that they are under siege ins. I can't remember does rather piloting yeah but the Fulham is it feels like it doesn't because we don't see it would have been much more effective if she'd started out and we'd seen has Sunnier Soit and we'd seen it actually look personality endlessly twisted towards this dude is awful thing out of wood then we could have told we could have thought that could have been any one of us. Yes we'll yeah. I might have done this robot. They make up for the moment of a better for salt from the shrew ish if she's a chance to get a chasing if you're going to do that sort of pompous moralising which never sat well for me in classic new Yeah you've gotta pay bit clever about that. Yeah I would even say the mandate. Broad shirts should should be better at it. true okay it was very contrive but every night because that was far more shades of gray most of the carriers and brokers of the had to be because you had a new suspect every week but then Yup that's it's just a waste. Isn't it a waste of of that side of the story when it isn't actually teaching or anything it's just saying look nasty. Person does nasty thing. MHM Delaware sad nothing more than that if it's if she doesn't have talk yeah and then but I do like the vitale fuel now because it's a very minor thing but wanting I did my might go. Masters good in this is that the thing that little confrontation from where with Ambrose about the weapons when she goes to co he's alongside and is just as the lookie is is just nailed it is that you're better than this. It's I don't think he says he says he's he does he said weapons and he just gives the Eagles at the most shitting look. It's just what is one of those moments. When what Matt's what's a good APP sometimes channeling and channing the eleven hundred year olds signed old commune so it's is just one of those moments where you get the wages. The character practices another scene where he says to a you better than this but I know what you mean. He performance it well. The script slightly now significantly overstates it yeah I didn't I didn't see it is that it might be an It's not nearly as on is not on the nights. That didn't expect him to deliver. Menacing is just is stunning look yet he does coast. Company license watched now. I don't have an I didn't put time codes next to my notes stem Toki of not wanting to rail and actress you said for for not earlier conscious mentioned Mirasol my I'm going to regret grete saying this. I think she's a perfectly good actress. Mirasol but is it only me you think she's completely miscast here. I'm sure there are many economic many parts you'd have been perfect for and a this isn't the one for me it. It just seems like a massive misconduct to me. It seems like just to look ahead to the fifth doctor it to me. She's not a barrel read of is. This big mistake has that for me. I just cannot believe a were anything with his characters says or does because that character in my opinion is not Mirasol. You'll talk to you making direction because I was still wants defender the casting decision or let me go further sites worse than yeah imperishable Bursch. Oh I'm sure Mary Scientists Not Engineers Baffled bewildered by the situation. She's in Barrow Rain like that. I think she is able able to grab the bellwether homes believe she's a scientist fully or a person. I just don't believe her and there is nothing to do with her accent because she's he's fine. I just think somebody may choose miscast. It's you say it's. Y- some yeah directed this by the way I forgot Ashley. Why Oh there's a name not to conjure with. I don't remember anything about him. As soon cook he does. Ds I thought it was sitting in for less well-directed directed than the average knew who they remind us any help. Google brings up home actually way outset Does that your in your pestilent gardens place that what he's been retained its funny episode because you've got sort of feels quite rushed. You've got Nazarene missiles character deciding to stay down below along with a mate wound around that and Thenn so they do all their an survey seems to be all over in a hurry and then they've got this all five minute classic multi okay well now. We're going to do the ARC bed. They kill story again. God I'm except this time. They did bury because there's Jospin. He's never existed. Isn't this Sunday cable either. No no no no. He died in Amy's choice choice before must because he's too because he doesn't appear until the autumn anyway the point the point is very killed rory again yes but then they decide to go out saw. You can have a look at the explosion. You know it's dangerous to me and then there's a bit more of as well so it it just feels like they rushed to finish the thing and then they've got about five or ten minutes a fluffer the end when they may be having more plot in the second episode. Ias Desk. The same thing happens in flesh and stone. They rushed through all done industrial about thirty five minutes then pfaff around Burkett Amy's bedroom phone too long agree with the direction is known that could be the you know it could have lifted lifted the weak points of the scripts. If it had been Besson I think it's most mostly the when he goes attention or scares or anything anything outside of generic drama the direction doesn't rise the challenge looking at this debate. He's Egypt. It's six episodes of Torchwood. sees to buy. Swiss a suit. He did end date and then others yeah so he did some serious one some suzy's to dump belonging which I think was a welsh. It's not a wash the eve myles that is the sort of thing I would expect expect to find on and then he did these two. WHO's some say joins Merlin's very since as a yeah yeah yeah I mean I feel like I've been nitpicky on this and I share quite enjoyed it in as we said at the start it wasn't it wasn't fantastic. It was all right here and certainly we had momentum about two in the first episode Yes it. Did you absolutely bovine. Can I in the plotting is good. I'll give it that if you go proteges nitpick you. It's not going to apologize for the following. They say screw up inside doing so. I'm not even further Morocco now they. I'm hundred million years ago so just three hundred million to date yes which is a smack bang at the end of the company for us so that sounds good to say that the carbon efforts getting one of my favorite errors so so we the site area we're not in the AFC win then is there any justification visits not suppose I can figure out I actually for my as as you know a choice to put the day job to one so he comes to us and but it's still it's fun. Sundays picketed just just love pickles. They get themselves into in this case yeah because the put a MS obviously this is a well before all the dinosaurs and you'd think that anyone would i. I've never understood why they haven't been at any point since of take the diplomas of digging this hole that they've been deicing unless spaceship show but yes three hundred million years ago is at the end of the Covenant so that's all swamp fullest since older that yeah and there was a mass extinction than in his other C- long role as we know now the the Moon foaming events yes civil this before any way but what they have vitamins just taking win win solution is obviously in every other women to feed them as Saint Thomas what was done to suicide to go they go to pat unconvincing TV accent so whether they have to be engineered into being at the end of the Cretaceous and and give to put them. which is you know which would be so for many years ago and you've even got the you got the impact as we know you know the facility used to you? I did try to make a silencer in stroke joke in my most recent scripts but I'm going to expand it and have some excellent. Carbon Infra skaggs in thank you for that while you've got your Doctor Science clipboard on Charles. Can you any comment on the use of the phrase Homo Reptilian Yeah I've given on the plight have nine nine. What's wrong with that but yes of course yes genesis most species website here so yes that's implying. If you want to take it as that's implying that the different the different species so their close cousins of humanity insensitive actually being they should be saying that they're like like neanderthals to US yeah location of homeownership sit here. I think the people at that time suggesting that it should have been ripped. Ilias SAPIENS ZIP tedious work. Yes yes potentially yeah if she could come up with its. Oh my my script. Hang on. I haven't done the second draft yet ta yeah so so the whole being sucked down by the wedding which which is ostensibly offensively link between this and frontiers not ostensibly. Richard is the only one we've gone down so so the the talk about that is that they sink what sort of six to twelve inches and then he got into the thirty miles to wherever they need to carry a little a bit old. It is out without getting ahead of us. I don't I never found that the mechanism by which people survive being sucked envier in front. It's particularly convincing but goodness me this past the tin hats on it going a few feet now but then it they do try to explain the doctors waffler that bio programming in fact maybe too as well which I didn't watch famously played any better programming the the one that gets rid of the without having to heat up to sixty degrees you boil wash it does yes. It explains away. Whatever you decide the site whatever objection you were going to raise the explains away offscreen visit did they actually say anything credit talkative air that they can survive in as they take makes make this descent nevermind Lucy temperature retrospectively assumed that your excellent explanation has been edited into yes. I remember that but it's not as I've said this whole thing with mannequins me of what's been going on. If there's a whole loose thread wait listen I think if we're moving on to this topic which I would like to even get older frontal member Yankee Yeah it's mostly played for horror and again a very minor nitpick but takes over it takes the first half of the first episode business led the first twenty five minutes is all about the mystery of Web people to spend too where bodies disappearing to before we move into silence and it for me. The connection between the two storylines is only just solid enough is is one of those things which again I always Moan about where when you've got your digital pool of ideas and your Jigsaw collection pieces and you're trying to fit them together. When you're plotting story you reach a point where you know? They never fit perfectly first times you shuffle them around. You discard a few 'cause I just know going to fit and for me this this one it reminds me of that fantastic storyline of the sentient satin after the beginning of tarrant stratagem which it gives us ten or fifteen minutes of excitement and then is completely forgotten about his bizarre crow attempt to grow into the tower and storyline and then they move on and we know why that happened that happened because the story needed a bit extra by to the beginning and Russell generously reaching his bag of ideas and said there's a thing about sentence incentives. He gave it to the writer. I think they bolted on the beginning and it shows now here. This isn't quite as bad but I don't think they do. Chris does his absolute best is to make it fit but it doesn't mean that the first quarter or just lead over stories is horror is that's what it's all about. There's the mystery before before we say well. Actually we do see somebody being pulled down in the very first probably mistake but then you know with the ups the stakes the next time we see it. There are lots of holes appearing so there's the attention of this potentially if under a best director of the tension of getting into the way of these damn things but then alongside that you've got a more pertwee issue more quite a messy goes the more Emma Jamesy out and I'm just throwing in description say the little boy tells owns us. That's the graves round here eat people he says in a Welsh accent win which is definitely which is in my opinion and Chris must've been channeling frontieres hair very toss because to skip ahead and I'm going to have to hear Noma brackets Lesley Dunlop from tells of how as a child she was told the Earth is hungry on from IOS. Now that's kind of spooky. The graves render eat. People is an attempt tend to do the same thing and like so much it doesn't quite work is just sold properly. If the little boy little boy said my old granny always used to say the graves renteria people then you've you're actually going for that you get in the atmosphere on the sense. But of course you calm because something's I'm just started the happening and the grave the body just bring out the grave again should be really unsettling at it doesn't quite work said they've thrown in these three as many different ways of setting up this daresay can this is explained why they are occasionally mistakenly sucking down debt cops know thing route without yet. This is the whole thing of Malik's on the on the Annesley and this is a missed not decision but I didn't serve doing that. It's just a great feels. Great length said that this this idea doesn't is bolt onto the front of the story and then discounted anniversaries Sawyer in so. Please rescue me if that's not true. I'm not saying the second episode. There's a lot more about their ongoing tests on hyun year. How important is that. The story is that just the justify the hungry earth opening. It's just suggest voice seems to be just the doing scientists That's what I remember trying to have three me. It's absent Mile Powell mile dissection perils for the CODA on the Yes. I'm a horror story. I mean goodness. May the PRI pre the pre cliffhanger of a me watching as decider in Dr Approaches her with Moscow is facing a massive dripping needle and it's something of absolute set list our ridiculous what it's very like a a very big eyebrows in the underwater menace. Isn't it was it is it would it would not have survived. The Australian senses very true so in that blissful parallel universe where the where the hungry cold-blood was wiped and and is believed missing. That's the NBA would have thinking. Oh if she could have wished wishing Jones would find this locker all Korean Zambia. I'd love to see this and just like with menace. We'd be Rome Yes just can any wrote remember members details on on what was isn't isn't isn't this a case with very there was very heavy v rushing the second episode on the flying learn a new a new. You're going to say that not completely forgotten until you did until you open your mouth fair. Yes so for all the I'm blaming Chris. I seem inch remember had much more elaborate ideas and a lot of it was cut back for practical reasons. Is that Roy Silica fitting up about the crooked the end. Oh yes I said yes. Oh Oh you mean because they were both on. Yes I think that the the latter he wrote a really good story wrong and they said we you can't do that. We can't we can't unlike with the horse. At the end of Gallon of fireplace he did not win to rewrite it and come up with cheaper or had definitive these eight dinosaur and I have I have a feed to the track titles to do some some some kind of sweaty things so things veteran people so a lot of our criticisms may have been redundant in the universe in which he so he got his wish bums. It has the standard full. What's what Mason screen thing doesn't always was conscious. Shouldn't one of US do some property session one of us by the of gone back to our well thumbed copy season five children in special no not only the time has come. We really ought to start frontier so we never will MHM. You're the main thing the to serve in common was one of the earliest scenes involves somebody being such down into the ground unexpectedly. It's almost like that's a way you could link the two. Yes what took you what we do you. It wasn't that isn't there actually showing them for disposing dead in exactly Christopher. H Pitman is much underrated creative writer. That's two very poetic. One of which Chris lifted to be the title of Historian Samoa Assume my memory of frontiers was it was full of very good comedy and I think that's paps as it overplaying it a little but it is but it's full of Ferry Ryan and amusing in lines. I mean it it it. It it does have that is lots of. Nice dialup in their many even that opening thing about not happy people are you. I mean it's yeah Joaquin but I like it. I mean Davidson's character in this is subtly different from most of the rest of his. I think he's yeah never better than I love. You felt compelled to points out. That line is little bit wacky. You wouldn't have pointed that out if that was the line from new given to any new doctors and it does stand out now. Doesn't it and still today. I'd always thought that this is the one where the fifth doctor is funny. Yeah Bounce gingerbread Sabrina reduce it but what actually watching these two banks of back is he's quite eccentric and he did he actually old moments woman so don't over state this but they have all been even remove. Matt Smith but that's because Washington back to back but some definitely there. He's eccentric into whether it's not quite backward-looking is not Chris writing for Tom. Baker or something something new he's discovered here and yet there are the the moments when the doctors comically absent minded which seemed to be looking back so maybe William Hartnell reminds one of the original conception the fifth with dogs which was that he was a was a young man in old man's but oh man and a young brother helps to get the right way but it's not like they aren't to two different things they they can up. The doctor is if you think about it. What's happened is that we've had what two and a half seasons? Davidson then and its regional secretaries remind everybody look. This is what he was supposed to be. Two stories left now yes eric site would didn't for whatever reason didn't didn't give them a pick pick up on those clues from Catherine Alva- yes yeah and and really in my opinion as much as like. PD Davidson's portrayal it could have been so much if we'd had threes of this doctor who with his looking over his helfman glasses and being forgetful them some minded saying bazaar things about hat stance. He would be much better remembered. I think it'd be remembered as far as as fondly as he should be. yes even that business with Janet fielding in the third or fourth episode pretending she's an Android yes when you said that Wilson quite voice and ask for the accent. Does he say in us with the accident. The thing is what I was GonNa say if you re you may have been thing into the novel which is even funnier than the TV versions very where written very funny. No full is one of my absolute favorites because I can't think of many other novels which insert so so much material that was lost the TV version Vince my copy out vida yet remember sticking screwdriver and Teigen's air and fiddling with a Wendy's in the middle of the android sane got yes might experience remember watching that so and back in in his previous justice as they were for me. I had a tape machine plugged into my tally. Annoy had seen ninety old year with with the Kremlin I think as as onto ninety minutes it was quite a although I must have. I've had the revelations before when I watched it is not like I watched it since vote. Gauss what am I face but even in that case it means of what she's fearful times does. Let's get these reminders of things that I missed beforehand and little bits business never made any sense never made any sense of old year let with commute as pristine rush get whether he does it what well yeah because I was. I would have thought it would be very atmospheric. I think it was just a little bits where you were you. Were you missed. We said he's out. That's what was happening when that's yes that may raise and say something them for me preallocated the presumed brush because as I was saying before before we came on air. I remember the the season twenty one trailer on the BBC very firmly I recall down people think that having a video we had a sees types in full chess over the snippets of dialogue one trailer old friends friends and have we come across them. I mean the other thing there is some way might get a priest you and rushes because he couldn't be more nineteen eighty-four tried really. I mean I mean Janet. Janet fielding is looking very careful. What you say about cost you but it's but it's not really you know she she. She just looks like she stepped out the nineteen eighties this no question about it. The the you've got the Andean pipe music kind of thing going on you know the the the flight of the commodore fill thing just being on sat kind of like the story does that music on this composer Kingston Kingston right see yeah again. It's completely backwards for me. Because is this the one I had A. VHS was to watch over and over again. Composed era is is music free identifiable. It basically sounds very similar stories he did to me. It'll means from zero so when they won the visitation or one of those others date. I'm just thinking this music. The State isn't ripe this story. This isn't frontiers music. It just seems perfectly matched to this the atmosphere this one pam pipes no pan pipes yeah yeah. I mean it'd be whistling with nervousness awash very catchy. Can you edited the second profession that later I mean you're a lovely dialogue from the first episode thing about fairly I pref- technology will happen failed and nothing survived the crash. Yes I watched episode earlier on with with Mrs Paul Morris and she loved Atlanta. The the other she noticed which was interesting was the rip off of the seven costumes which I should have noted royal and didn't widens felt that maybe I'm no customers. Elliot I remember that one of the most about this and it was it was interesting what she with a critical eye and looking for things to discuss but what are the things are the most about it is. It's very good. The whole fest powerful apart from them. The disappearing coats of of we don't really the whole episode is building about. Yes yes as mysterious sweat. The whole thing is entirely an exercise will building this discretion coney increase men's. I don't see I think showing the the fascistic overtones office that is clear. You've got the portions of the the big meal via the behind. Snowden and big leather style thing I know. CPI with the fact that we go federation helmets around the place it helps with that whole of void and yes indeed means cope with via Sons Co Plan Tasha now I'm trying to. I'm trying to work out a the whole thing. It does feel better. It's just the addition of plantation at this I feel is he is he kind of going through Henry. The full part sales tale so that's the whole thing to me feels like it's Shakespearean. It's futuristic Shakespearean history lying. It certainly feels like somebody said set Peter Gilmour can you can you give me captain uneaten but you know ten times as big children so that uh-huh force unfortunately he's the only one he's acting like that. Everybody else is being remarkably subtle around and east. He turned up took fifteen. WHOA lovely cast and we we. I suppose we have to mention. The fact that chat playing range to cover very late in the day didn't he. You're with him. Lucas is him so it won't go into the details of y you had to step into the power that he's he's delightful. Cincinnati yeah definitely and of course and the Young Jeff Role of course is great. Yeah Yeah seems strange to think that trump's they don't use any few years after this which I think is having having the mature Jeff Rawle in it but yes I. That's my mind playing tricks. I think he's not quite as young as he looks at it. He's playing playing Billy Lyon ten years earlier. He said getting back to getting back to this. It's a it's a little thing that I've been. It's been negligently since watching. Isn't this whole thing about that. You know they kind of untested kit a boy king as it were who's it advised and so and anti even give some some bits of find almost to give if you give Jeff soliloquies where he's he's nuts. It's not quite on the on the scale of Caja Venezolana. He was giving John No Menton Yeah. He's doing to camera but this. This stuff shots did he's. He's in full granting to us and financing giving speeches and things and is it's much too out at the screen is is which is interesting because it's not in some in some places and this is what Jones stress this and I know he's generally not considered to be able to test ordering. NSM generate out like no interesting because there's other places where will properly pick up works the I feel like it's all yeah yeah he does talk of staging via the issues whether the Muslim states units in that go but then some some little causes sentencings trading house. Yeah Jenny very happy. This direction of their son died and we you know maybe we could spend an episode discussing. What is the brings out the best in in Brian Jenkins Edmund. This seems to be it for me. He's all the a a I see him. He's one of those like a lot of Delta Drake's. He's particularly happy when the monsters are when time it comes onto the monster when it's act as drama and he knows he knows what sort of turn to go for and yet the framing terrific atmosphere comes from his direction. I will say map paintings. Yes yeah yes this one which one unfortunate shortened starve crush ship. That looks really very but there's other stuff that actually Indian. It's and they've got a massive Yes yes it is right sexiest. The start of establishing short list just grim the rest of it is very cold. It's such a little thing that the use of matte paintings and who knows whose idea that was but it just that's this is all set the studio everybody down help. Get a sense of scale and makes you wonder why they didn't do it more often. This lovely letter started websit at at the end of episode one end and the set of upset too because it's officially just as the Bloomberg is clearing whether whether Dr Taylor Teague GonNa sheltering under that little bit of owning whatever and as Mr Rolling crossing the the lighting is just is just gorgeous insisted I love the night much much better late than his usual air any of the any broadly the same as when they're on the on the hull of strange Torrisi yes of course except for ideas boys it out completely I mean I suppose we should list of the things don't come across as well just before it becomes a complete they love their seventh production problems and I wouldn't blame run Jones this because he's spending a lot of other people when it comes to special effects. Unfortunately there are some things that affect the storytelling I mean the opening scene which I referred to earlier doesn't quite come across as clearly as as the Welsh shopping suck down at as the opening scenes to cope blood in fact you really you can't tell that Rivera supposed to dissipate if this is your first viewing baffled as well supposed to happen and none of the I I thought Stan affects really work. Do they know about you just have to roll with the dispense very suma system. It actually almost wits to it's in favor of the fact that don't have here's mysterious dunk to video mysterious and some of the album I agree. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm sure it's written script that you cut away and then he's when come and gone but I actually yeah I mean that's a special maybe I I should blame on Jones to that because it's not really clear in the editing yeah yeah yeah me too fresh mind because Mrs Morris who was set next we watching watching daddy was nonplussed by that same when I was looking to every action to some extent the what works also favors numbers if they don't reveal the track tate's until right at the end of the part to your. You've actually got the story without him in it. which is you know sadly the X? Excellent because of the of the careers ation to this is to some extent there realization is worse than the Mercker in warriors of the deep because at least with the Mercury Pois- deep it's it's a poor idea that poor you pulley realized whereas this is rather an excellent idea is poorly realized yes especially as I said if you've read the book and you know what it was supposed to be I mean those people have said written scripts scary doctor who monster enters and the most was not as scary as it was supposed to be part of the coast fittingly unfortunate that he was going for something Christmas guns. I'm very clever and he he's. He's really thought this through both hasn't he hasn't he hasn't in the sense that he's written something he must have known they couldn't make and apparently who continue to do this. In subsequent scripts scripts Eric site would send him back but the big thing. That's the big thing that would have helped us into the book that they don't speak so as we get a typical a monster voice this. Can you remember how they communicate communicate in the book. Yes I remember that yes. It's a gift. The listeners are a break from my voice. A company was floated but they had they had the head must be a human human human head. Yes them I think indeed the that's two eras where where Chris incredibly credibly gruesome ideas. Don't come scream because the tr the mining machine is supposed to be not just a metal mining machine with one body at the plugged into the front controlling it but the entire thing is made up of body parts how thought he would ever got that that it'd be practical to build on that budget. Be that that they would show. It's tougher seventeen earlier half six but anyway. It's a fantastic idea. They built this machine. from body parts there are a hand their hands sticking out the sides polishing their hands. The Front scraping away the at the side polishing tunnels when they when they're saying initially said to these wolves race move is dead human hands of Polish food at that Night Shane say the floating head speaking speaking to the would lices orders. well apparently the like hell raiser. Yes it is yeah. Apparently they had a deep adapt. She did have a extras heights that eventually machine so they're all the machine was designed with visible bits as bill to to actually have limbs come after the soy's and then landed up on the day. They didn't shoot in that way when they they they didn't so escareal just too silly on C. Goes don't know up here the guide away in the this was a Goldensohn production subtitles on DVD Levy Day. Probably they they they. They knew who was inside. It may have to bear in mind watching it thinking. Oh Uh no well Chris had in mind good. I still enjoy. I didn't think that that that much worse than the average monster wants to now. I believe that we don't fully backing Web Planet Terror No. I don't think they would love the design. The actual did costumes in the evade the fact that in that regard I think there are things of using oh it's a shame they couldn't because the famous story is the hiring downs downs is being so instead. They carried out yeah thin coming back the CARAPACES. That didn't didn't kill you can't know slut casino that would the being effective and then they'll always truly sympathetically scholtz but I didn't have. I didn't have that much for them. I didn't buy any phone that's over with the design zone you kind of weird ending part three as well where the the machine arise and they close in on the Act history and they say oh. It's captain revere now. I mean obviously we've been talking about him. I for the last seventy five minutes but you only get him very briefly briefly the star and they rather Washington Post on perfectly recognizable ave meant to be recognized enough zingy. Okay that seems to be. That's that's the one knows what he's like in Santa. It's no painting of Debbie walling good point however production quibbles aside this one the best written stores probably it would edge get into my top ten scripts. I I reckon I think is lovely and I look up OPTUS in Kosova of much peace to me and I'm intrigued T- if certain clauses that the he's brought with him from those as to stores been otherwise you're just going mad and golfing directions that we never would have expected brought Assisi Macabre and yeah. You've got some accountable thing. Haven't you wished unisource I can I can mystery stories will and my says yes I raised and facing save the reaction to the destin again. What do you know about debts accountable on some records. It's it seems a bit overly suspicious. Ask Him the way to that when he gets them. Both the society with a big secret at his heart is a bit like Castro valley not them but that's safari. Tenuous connection is a good setup if you've called four episodes to fill new but this this little bits in it from that point of view a again so I've kind of had weddings meat from the from listening to oral those many many times and then you said you sail TV. I'll call Sasser that what does a little bit of the low level looting thing going on throughout send the sincere viking down and the fact that that actually gets needed taught mechanic for for the getting the battery of shape when the when they're trying to get is really shave and they're distracted because the go go go the go-to help themselves stools and the sharing sharing not Muslim will they when they should be paying attention and very tightly written and I was Gonna I was Gonna say that earlier. I mean the fact that the first episode is Mr About Building Atmosphere and and world building the the most Danny attention action is about somebody who are here on steel battery to help with the lighting in the hospital which is not unusual you know saving Dobson this I find it perfectly grip at least partly because the stories roles are lonely such a pace ace visit. Isn't it fairly sure that's because the script is over long and it was quite tight it helps new you can cedar again on the production so titled. Accused having been lopped off fear there and the other to carry out the right lane. I think there's a few things like at the end of that. I guess to them and I might've noticed that then but then they dropped the ball in the next scene and that's that can not vity downs. I think I think the stadiums and in that they intend with the battery who is so I just sent embracing account of coming out of the hospital I believe and and and and don't tell a couple of the girls to help get the best rate so this all this business get stolen gets yes still in good shape and then then it's kind of Cincinnati dropped as a I mean that can only be down to really someone taints engine the stations the should fail it should feel padding this entire subplot about Oh. We're going to get a battery. Oh No we can't get through the door okay. We'll have have to find another way to lower us down this. It should feel okay episode three gnomes but it doesn't banana you believe in this world I don't see of. Am and I'm not sure is possible combination of Davidson of your what types of channeling plus plus this whole ends ends as well senses. CBS can sing it gives me very Hartnell vibe like she's ceases to be helpful and Allen's and of course it comes up as the the track titles new who is by three year by reputation which again the savages stuff like that way with the idea isn't to the intrepid travel during times of Spacey's looking around that must come from Eric excited because that is just absolutely typical. Let something he introduced the program which I didn't think it ever existed before and certainly didn't win. CHP was than before. I mean not for very long now. That's what I'm saying. Is this reminds me in some ways. there's a nice touch. I like in episode had one where they they say well the the copy bombardment because a woman mentioned it to us and then you know the guys be wacked on the heads always the once again the dialogue quite nice. It's quite well staged and points out there. People pitfalls right false deduction. Yes yeah yes thing to him to be and the the terminology the old police in the woods wounds man's so and so forth is nice just again it just adds as more than so much having gods yeah absolutely yes going back to your heart. Nothing you've got to piloting a planet. Yes well and then the other thing that makes us remembers the CHP is a bizarre mixture of his self professed great interest in the scientific accuracy and absolute nonsense brings the screen and all three of the yeah but that's that's why that's Ah that's why I love him BEFO the bangs sons if he accusations it's just it's a science as science as I as a foam of Dressy at magic in verily in a you know it's I. I never feel like a sacrifice I didn't. I didn't feel like it has any effect excellent. The efficiencies applause is it's just a nicer way of just seeing things and making it sounds to my to my best thing. I can kind of imagine with all these highly tunnels and stuff when some of the substance being happening reputational waves and so in recent you could it's Mitsuda certainty enough to to send vaguely vaguely convincing way without yeah. It's the perfect combination of signs and symptoms signs man to see which is when does his best and I'm glad to and it's him. It is best because he's seen have been. I don't know why he's mellowed in a couple of years since he was script editor so I got no problems until I'm glad that he can write that style. It just doesn't why then now he continues to describe his ideal dot is there's something completely different. He actually of other writers with bollocks science artist. He's really I think you could just follow Alexander self-awareness anyway but then that's often. I think that's the case with various nation with the tower itself. Elf is run previous stories the way that it stops on the ground and break seven pieces a peculiar mixture of genius. Jason Nelson is again. It's such a great visual image. Which is why is justifiable? It's what exactly what you should be going for. This thing is it. It doesn't really make sense supposed to be massive. How how could it fit inside. This planet is anywhere near as big as he himself told us it was nearly stories whereas the rock that displaced gone yes. I don't care because like doctor who are not doing enough. Start Your pin not really this is. Dr Does that thing about materializing underwater gauntlet strange mixture year so he's he said so there is a feature on the DVD. You need to these going through that and indeed has mentioned that each of his stories. He's got a different menace Tartus so you've got the underwater thing and the goblets you've you call the highest union-russian Castro Valve and the this weird thing frontiers chest but I agree with you. I mean it is as a whatever was not fifteen sixteen year old. I just thought that is this is ludicrous. It's being dispersed damned alive but yeah as you say it doesn't really matter he's got a sixty cliffhanger endings. Well Gang with your team. Giles taping like horrible story. You've got that the story leaked into the next door. Yes yes yes. It's a shame that cliffhanger lead into right right interesting. The dialogues could big finish of quite a few stories in that gap labeling could be the the very lurches and then they have a whole bunch of stories in the end of the one of which they can shock. It suddenly struck me watching so okay. Will the token taken. Can I'm GonNa have some adventures. Welcome actually after the jobs. Osa Grove his lawyer that will just be one the thing one of the things they've done with grove is for season seasons when he won't be companion. We might get upset with chameleon anyway I would I would love to write when with this same uh-huh isn't always been one of my yes satellite. Matt Smith Amy Rory and he completed one of the classic threesomes I would well. It'd be the talk frontier can have nice episode and a half wandering around in tunnels in the same way that Teagan tell it did in the terminus. That's nothing is it's really entertaining her. This is a single C C teagan being quite meadowlands and yes his pedal but he didn't get the impression. She's Maguindanao. Shit now now so she somehow workshop. Throw one of those torch things at the insects or we're going to go bit nutty women run away from and I think yeah yeah I think yeah he gets he gets if we before some of his wide stuff from season to NC but I've always had low decipher Maastricht's. He's Jason. He's he's great. This is very nice business at the end of episode three a Nice McCarrick point the whole thing which one of my hands go to co-pay piece of your check which one you ask for a while they they don't go to this my life and go down in it says is a he's got one in both ends anyway. Yes so I mean he's not just yes so to be fed to. HP He's writing the Dachshund Siegen well because he kind of invented but he's he's in eastern. A brief description said I want to be mapped. Yeah on the back of Johnson is PAC man. He's still got him Brian. Yeah I just like these three. They're all equally strong equally vivid they nice high wrong scientific knowledge they come to from tons and places and they break down to three. Nice Double Act and that's that's what I look for. Yes in in my three threesome awesome. When I was lucky enough to ride for the fifth options he can once this is one of the things I had in the back of my mind. If I'm not saying anywhere near achieving it if you just think about the the cast they all have stuff to do and and bid meet finds a way of doing that in an entertaining way rather than just purely mechanical seem to be in this area yeah. I think so I like will through. CHP stories as I said I think this is the best because more Dr Hurry and I do wonder it. It just seems so unlike what. He says he was trying to ride. I think we'll maybe we'll maybe you didn't. Maybe someone else helped him with this but it's so sure as hell wasn't eric say with it. There's nothing and by the way he writes either so I'm still mystified as to how this happened. This is like a miracle to me and I know there we are in a tiny minority of the people out those of us who think this is a top rank. dotty story is fat badly then and ever since has no railways below averagely thoughts of. I think I'm fairly sure it is. I think it must be a combination of things production problems that people off and not don't have anything particularly sensation not me. Shell Caucasians on it enough to feel that you need to have a have a monster and that's an a big set piece. It's not a kind of a story as much. It's more it's more a bit more cerebral owner and it's you know and it's dialogue. That's really the two that I wasn't particularly intelligent twelve year old but I did spot them at the time I I thought I was a sucker for dollops and we'll have you under exciting space opera Alcatel. This was something special just because it was funny and so I was me even even then my my same thought about kinder- usually yeah they've got similar tone running through my very favorite redline in doctor who as well which is Davidson saying are well a risk share. It is a risk yes after a few style swimming similar a few times. It's it's very actually just thinking about that. You know it's the the other thing is about show esque to my mind is it's. It's a it's a good you know again. It's that quotas of Viking that you can. I was filled with Chris batchelor stuff. You always go has and again. He's another one very good at the whole world building saying merely and yeah he's feel he's yeah 'cause above above generally yeah just just to bring it to be onsite down a- also yeah pick pick a few holes. I think doc totally one thing now. If I'm very old is distraught me s did I do isn't episode to near the end the end of the month Teachers Yeah See why the Hell they you get we've got the two Shawnee carapaces facing away and then they turn around and then he turned around you don't Aleisha Philadelphia's after why you didn't just have the shelters them if the sunny things in the wools else start i. I suppose it's added jeopardy that they're they're walking off after our heroes at it. It could've done with two more tightly so yeah you could you could really build up the tension tools the atrophy at the cliffhanger and he's just feels very autzen out some not do it that way and then the other generally. She found one of the lovely things about it. Is this whole sense of betty and betty qualify as civilization but yet a society on the border on the edge collapse and this quite nice. I sing that there's all these hit that quite a lot of extras hanging event assassin quite often they are literally hanging you set with nothing to apparently doing anything and it gives a quite an icy feeding to just people lying around in hospital kind of watching what she an axis basis will just sitting on out so he's watching because they got nothing best zoo. Yes are queuing up to try and find out what's going on but then it's it's just been there's other there's other times they feel they they just slightly without she handling that sort of the idea that they've got a bit of course thing to to tend to my to to attend to my say that this is a little sun kind of Shakespearean. Yeh Tip to attempted to Sifi history play that you know you have that stuttered episodes sway when the does loses coming out of shape relate to stuff and he says the old lease take the maximum out may he doesn't doesn't say shoot to kill that's that's his implication clearly and then the then the then the caps that can funded by a part of people hope. Ovo people taking clearly taking shape a says you got this kid area as an incidental scuffle disease early so this is a few things there also in episode sweet the tribunal thing with Vine Cheer About Liam Him. I think that's nice and there's a deputy doesn't turn them. She would help would have helped to fight against the whole thing. Becoming something associates fast it says in intervals so as he figures and so on does she comes. She comes out of nowhere so yes yes. I think she's got a bit of business outside of this tribunal thing yeah later but but not much and she's she's became quite well says there were saying she's not in more and yeah the only thing that I to really down and I was watching the the reason I know about the extras in episode full in the in inside. The mining machine is because of this I went went back. I wish for once I went back looking for information cut scenes thing but I must be most of their Zain said basically Miami feels that the beep is if you behavior against the beat the is the kind of clandestine it finds his feet becomes the Worthy Lula and the men the relation comes to an end in frontiers society needs to heal in someway it just doesn't in go doesn't go anywhere gravitas doing his thing in no uncertain yeah. This is the end of everything over there in the end the end yes and no more for some of the some unknown reason is slightly pointed us the opposite Michigan. All the beginning compare and awesome was been redone. She's not really got any reason to be done. What happens to COCO. Is a great great right carriageway interesting again. Not so many see many coutts is that that is interesting. We just started quite What happens to COCOAS men. Malian's -taining didn't get cut Richard. You tell us if that was in the production notes. Remember reading that once that when they were cutting time he basically had their subplot with him all the way through which was entirely disappeared. I think there are more cuts startling at the the same as it to about halfway through websites way and then the functional thing he does his Offense v S Q neuner from from another from another leader. He and his gang miscue vet ski known if another days that he's holding a hostage will football football ordering a gun pointed anyway me says things are gonNA. Change around here and then I didn't get much for NC move him to that. This is any one more thing that okay grandma outlets and mentioned. If you're yeah I've said this time travel in this like you go blood but there was a time dimension the dumpsters rabbiting on constantly all the way through about how he can't be seen to interfere just because they're so far in the future now. I suppose he doesn't normally worry about this as Mrs Morris Point that she misses Morris said to me was was he keeps telling people. You can't help you. I'm just wondering is what is kind of justified because the so far in the future but again. We've never seen bar about that anywhere else. It's old. I didn't feel like it adds. Anything supposed to be character points. I suppose it's not really a plot point gymnasts. HP Oracle this suggestion at the start that this is because it's such is so on on a knife edge vote whether they survive no no that him getting involved could radically alter things so it sort of feels a bit like RTD's. You know whether time thing all those things but to be honest is not really very well explained thinking about and though they handle away we're seeing always because we're so far in the future you stop and think about that. Why any sense why would the same play cleave too far in the past or any points it was in the further future you oven this on the universe has left to suffer the consequences your meddling so futures only any from their perspective anyway. I mean because this this much time in the future of that well a universal current. Nobody standing but I mean fundamentally time is a very human concept is yes depends if this is especially contemporary arc or with Utopia I assume it's the all see all this is Bush. A different kind of og has young fans. Worry sorry that that it didn't match up to the vision of humanity fleeing the Dunes Planet Earth that we saw in the science mushroom advance and people miniaturize and put onto the slides slides hair there that is traveling on rather ram rackets mothership all but it was really it was the technology nauseous fantastic until it failed according to Miss Range Mr style no he didn't never me saying how dare you know business. I see I knew enough about the oak the toy going to them that was set in the fifty seventh segment nine years this this new security kitchen this how how well may may maybe it's not a vital feature every. Shin so have we fully explored the many many very deep connections between well. I'll Latin frontier feel feel like we are coming towards the end of the abandoned on anyone can listen to so if we are going to have any deep meaningful discussion discussion about the similarities to be an excellent time to do it otherwise we'll just finishing and obviously there aren't any but Chris I chip mill. Chris chip has from chestnut backwards mind like any doctor who fan anti it was part of the soup of ideas. Yes definitely that's he was that he was mining. He's mining soup. One Earth you saw a mixed message for the bidding often having to say because of my more pointed out oftentimes compared to these two stories we ended up just compared to new really rather than to specific stores dating with and I think I would say for me. Frontiers wins on atmosphere even know the production is lacking. I feel they do more with what they have. They've even frontiers which is no caves on earth shock ones that we pretend in our fan way look five expensive. I still think it does what it's got than cold-blood does because cold blood has lot more at its disposal at more advanced special effects and I think thing that direction let's sit down and a lot of the impact potential impacts of the story is lost soon be fun just wins with his is ideas and atmosphere in Colorado. Just looks like an average example of twenty-first-century for me. I think I think Y se it's that cold hungry at in cold blood. They're kind of looking backward as you know. It's it's it's new trying to do classic aw and you not entirely successfully whereas Francesa list is looking forward to something new that that May. AP hasn't been done before hasn't been done quite like this so he seems to have more ambition. Yeah an an devil may care in a way it's it's not so hidebound absolutely right there and we don't often get that sort of world building new possibly because there's not enough time in the four one part stories but yes. I mean normally. There's that the same length east to and yet it does feel like there's more space for building up frontier so let's first to Pakistan we get for the little mining area in a similar length of time in Hungrier. Yes yes yeah. I Say I think mine. Vich sort of we have pretty much made my point of Mike. Those think frontiers frontiers wins because he's trying produce on new and yeah it has it has idea soon whereas hungrier since it's really just recycling circling. I have a selection of ideas from from the classic series I maybe there's nothing wrong with that given given these as long storied history and and the fact that some of these things are worth revisiting. That's yeah. It just doesn't feel like this yeah. It's it's missing. The original spoke that yeah. It's always kind of feel like Take a bunch of Pets wisdom's so butts at something of you China. Something interesting of your own is interesting. Being the MOFFITT will draw this for the the day after doctor. You know the whole negotiation thing so you've got the same. I'm kind of where the trend decide what to do with with this. I yes but I think I think the extra element of jeopardy betty brings trips makes him more effective and the extra element of being able to write a look not Nia on that note Jack. I don't think so I think we'll we'll draw. Fail then over our at that point. Our examination of these two stories of bodies disappearance the ground. Thanks for joining us again in for for listening to what we had to say and please correct tonight with us on twitter. We've got a something who twitter account suite which we'd like to hear from you on that. It's goodbye from me. Rich it and goodbye from Joel the other and goodbye from Paul say `I and finally to mark doc another of of of the American States listening to US attract from Break Charleston become obvious to your which which state he's commemorating in Georgia mm-hmm judge the whole Justin sweep saw he saw and I'll be crikey. We did it we did. I think we've all got creaking chest to some extent I mean the the the particular favorite creaking is when somebody sits up suddenly after making a point that particularly proud of you know why they made it emphatic point they kind of sit up and it gets late just excited dental thought because we'll we'll do what we normally do. I think okay three this twice fest line because because the most important I never his favorite character anyone in particular. I think you'll find the character of joy lls without. Can I suggest slightly less pick up. The pace of few opponents. Is I think snappier Arabi takeoff about I'm I've never directed anything in my life and it was nice. That's the one year yes they say excellent. That's what Lisa Bandmann says but she's she's happy with it. Take yes inside right. Clemson's the shooter while thanks it's these little snippets and I like it it. It makes us feel like we're in the presence of greatness. What did I tell you about. 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