11 Burst results for "Jason Jennings"
How I Got Here with Dave Fiore
"jason jennings" Discussed on How I Got Here with Dave Fiore
"That now we didn't have to know everything about everything. Right. And now we do. So after high school, you go to college at UCLA. And earned a degree in political science. Yeah, why did that happen? Why did that happen? I don't know. Are you interested in politics? I think I saw the movie Wall Street and I thought that that Gordon gecko. Yeah, I figured that's what I should do. I did not like it, but I had everything kind of mapped out and was going to get my poli sci degree and go to law school. So I think it was my second year in college. I took some sort of graduate level like pre law class. It was part of the honors program. And I literally got in there. I had no idea what we were doing. They were doing a moot court. I think I freaked out and didn't go to the class. I think I sobbed in front of the professor and somehow got out of it with the sea and left. And I'm like, this is not for me. And I knew that in this, I'm not cut out for this. And it was probably the wrong class to throw a 19 year old in. Or maybe some 19 year olds, but not for me. But I stayed with it because I was so far into the major because I did business and honors and poli sci. So I just stayed with it. And it was an interesting degree, but I should have been a communications major. Like hands down, I have no idea why, and it's my own fault for not digging into the possibilities, but I just have to say, it's my own responsibility to have created a support system for me, but I just didn't have people around me to guide me. And I wish that I would have taken more advantage of that. I feel like as a parent, I'm more connected with what is available for my kids than my parents ever were. But that's still my responsibility. I should have figured it out. But I think that's different too, maybe it's not for everybody, but I was completely on my own. I mean, I went to college to be a band director and then the only reason I went into got my degree in PR, but the only reason was because I had a friend whose sister was in PR. And I'm like, that sounds fun. Yeah. That was my whole process. Yeah. I think there's more, maybe. I don't know. I think that there may be a little more guidance and a little more maybe more resources for young people. But I'm not entirely sure okay. Worked out fine. And I loved school. So where did you do after graduation? Oh, so I graduated and I'm smiling because, boy, I ended up as an account executive at the second alternative rock station in the U.S. so at the time it was 91 X in San Diego and anyone that knows what that whole scene was like there was Cara K rock in Los Angeles and then 91 X was the second one. In fact, their logo, if anyone is familiar with 91 X and there may be some listeners, it's the same logo that they had. They haven't changed it. And it's basically, I just, it was really fun. It was a complete transition into what, you know, alternative music was. So what was alternative rock in this time period in the 80s? You're talking about. Wow. So it would have been like the cure and Depeche Mode. And the facts and I mean, just any of that. Yeah, I mean, it basically was what was on MTV. And so it was just a different type of experience. And it was also the 80s and there were just, it was a little wild. But it was great training and we had a lot of fun. And that's ultimately where I met. My husband. Okay. We'll come back to him in a second. Yeah. Were you selling time were you an account executive or what was your role count executive? And I basically started with no account list and strike commission. So you're going door to door? We made phone calls. Made phone calls, and it was extremely intimidating. I was 22. Right out of school. And the majority of the aes are counting executives were men in probably the early late 20s or early 30s, but you know, when you're a 22 year old, those are grown people, right? And of course, they are like kind of obnoxious and they look at me and be like everything. Would you sell today, you know? And I was just terrified. And you're in this room with a bunch of cubicles and everyone can hear you. And somehow I didn't fail. But I learned a lot. I learned a lot about sales that I learned about being kind of fearless in a very, very tough. And often very inappropriate. Environment. By inappropriate, I mean some sexism going on. Oh, absolutely. And things like go to Mexico because I'd be calling on some of the nightclubs. Go to Mexico, go pick up a $1000 and bring that back over the border. Those kind of things, or yeah. Yeah, I see your face. Those are things that I was expecting. Yeah. Those are things that you did. You got to call on the nightclubs, and then you had to go basically pick up the cash. So they just things that wouldn't happen today. Interesting. It was just, you know, this was not the radio station I worked at, but there was a station in San Diego, where when the women made a sale, they would go stand on a table and they would take a bell and hold it between their knees and ring it. Now the male account executives did not have to do that, but the women did. And somebody actually called them on it and there was a lawsuit. And that was what I remember being like the beginning of the change toward. This is what we do at work on this is what we don't do at work. There weren't a lot of rules back in the day. The 80s were different. The ideas were different. Yeah. Yeah, so you met your husband doing radio. I did. So I want to hear that story. Oh, so we met at a Jason Jennings sales seminar, Jason Jennings was a sales trainer. Okay. And I do remember meeting him. He had just been hired and I remember meeting him and he was doing that he was an account executive in the county executive also, and I remember we were friends for a long time, but I do remember sitting in the back of various workshops and seminars and probably not paying attention and writing notes or I don't know what we did. How did you end up in Tallahassee? So we were one of the mom and pop owner operators and we, if anyone remembers the old WMO radio station, mellow one O 5 melanoma 5. So we bought that and we actually flipped it to a hot AC, which was live one O 5 and ran that for several years. And then sold it to, I guess, I don't know who the I think it's been sold several times, but it's the hot one of four 9 property rights. Okay, so let's stop there for a second. You know, being an AE at a radio station is different than owning a radio station. So how did you all end up owning your own radio station? That would be a much better question for my husband than for me. Okay. But he that was always something that he had wanted to do. And again, this was many years ago. I'm going to say it was 25 years ago when you still could actually. Somebody could do that. Somebody could do that. And so but that was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. It was a different Tallahassee, 25 years ago, and
Crime Junkie
"jason jennings" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"When he's done, the person conducting the polygraph says that in his opinion, Eddie is telling the truth. Police don't have enough to charge him with anything. And back in New York, despite his unwillingness to speak with detectives, Joey also agrees to take a polygraph and he passes too, so no charges for him either. That same day, Timothy's case goes to a grand jury, and he's indicted on a second degree murder charge. But by now, Dennis has already started to build a really strong defense. Because Timothy's mother is certain that in January of 1986, Timothy was actually in a youth group home called saint cabrini, which is an hour away from Middletown. Timothy was apparently sent there because he was getting into some trouble. But he hadn't been arrested or anything back then, so we're not talking about a high security setup. I mean, still, the kids who stay there are monitored. And his lawyer realizes that this could be the answer to their prayers. He subpoenas the records from saint cabrini and sure enough, he sees that Timothy's placement there went from December 30th, 1985, through January 31st, 1986. Dennis is now totally convinced that Timothy's confession was bogus. But the records he has won't be enough to satisfy the court. Their general placement records, there's no documentation proving that Timothy was there when Sean was killed. So it's time to get the DA's office on board. Of course, prosecutors want more information. So they send an investigator of their own to the facility to dig deeper. The DA's investigator manages to get more detailed records that show not just placement, but hourly bed checks on the day of the murder. Dennis pours through the records as fast as he can, but in the meantime, a preliminary hearing is held, where police dispute the defense's claims that Timothy's confession was coerced. Detectives who testify say Timothy wasn't scared at all. He was totally calm when they spoke with him, and they were, too, because they didn't think that they were interviewing a suspect. But Dennis says that with a guy like Timothy, police wouldn't have had to be wildly aggressive to get him talking. He was very compliant, and it would have been easy to press his buttons. An article by police interrogation expert Richard a Leo in the journal of the American academy of psychiatry and the law says that people who are highly suggestible or compliant are more likely to falsely confess. Highly suggestible people tend to be unassertive and have higher levels of anxiety. And those in other personality traits can make them more vulnerable to interrogation pressure. Timothy could fit the bill, but maybe that doesn't even matter. Maybe those group home records will be all they need to prove that he wasn't involved. According to Tristan Corden's reporting, the saint cabrini records state that all 43 youths were in their beds from the night of January 15th, 1986 through the next morning. They were checked on every hour from one to 9 a.m., and in that important time window of like four to 6 a.m., staff noted that everyone was asleep and the cottage was clean and quiet. But it might not be the solid piece of evidence the defense thinks it is. This episode was made possible by Etsy, where special doesn't have to mean expensive. I don't know if you guys have met me before, but I adore sequin. And I used to say that I own way too much for someone who lives in Indiana, but I've got this whole new attitude about it now. I have stopped waiting for an occasion to wear it and now I wear a sequin to the office. It's a real moira rose vibe. You would love it, trust me. So I am always on the lookout for new and unique sequin pieces to mix into my wardrobe, and I have found some of the cutest stuff on Etsy. Like I just got this light sequined duster jacket with fringe on the ends that is adorable. But Etsy isn't just clothing, sellers on Etsy have handmade items in every category, like home decor, kids toys, jewelry, and more. If you're new to Etsy, use code hello ten at checkout to get 10% off your first purchase. That's code hello ten. Maximum offer value of $50 ends October 31st, 2022. See terms at Etsy dot com slash terms, extraordinary, handmade, affordable. Etsy has it. Shop Etsy dot com. That's because a sank cabrini staff member who was on duty at the time testifies at the hearing, and according to detective sergeant Jason Jennings, the man admits that he had been caught sleeping on the job once before. And his supervisor told him if it ever happened again he'd be fired. So, as for the group home records being indisputable proof that Timothy was nowhere near Middletown, investigators have their doubts. But his lawyer doesn't agree, he says the attendance records placed Timothy at saint cabrini continuously through the entire month of January in 1986. So if prosecutors want to move ahead, they're going to need to show that the facility's records are wrong. Not just around the time that Sean was murdered, but a couple of days before that when Timothee said that Eddie called him at home to arrange the whole thing. The DA realizes his office probably won't be able to tear apart Timothy's alibi. But there's one more thing that he wants before he just dismisses the murder charge. He asks for a polygraph. Under most circumstances, a defense attorney is not going to urge a defendant to take a polygraph. But this is not most circumstances. Not only is Dennis convinced that a polygraph won't hurt them, he thinks it's going to be the thing that saves Timothy. So on Saturday, October 17th, Timothy is brought in from jail to a library in the DA's office. While he answers questions, his lawyer Dennis, Timothy's mom, the DA and the investigator wait in another room. There's some nervousness in the air. Even though the defense thinks this will go their way with the polygraphs. I mean, you can never be a 100% sure. But Timothy finishes up and right then and there, they find out he passed. That Monday, after 12 days in Orange County jail, Timothy walks out a free man. The DA tells the public that at this point there is no indication that Sean was murdered because he was involved with drugs in some way, so police are back to square one. Detective Bernstein wants to keep going, maybe track down other group home employees, formally interview them, even polygraph them. But the chief tells him it's time to move on, the charge was dismissed, that's it. Cynthia tries to wrap her head around the latest development. I mean, in less than two weeks, there went from being three people potentially facing charges for her son's murder to none. It is a roller coaster ride that she never wanted to get on in the first place. And as much as the Edwards family has been trying to move forward, it's almost impossible to do while they're still being bombarded with rumors. Especially because many of the people who share info have an ulterior motive. Like, if someone is mad at a neighbor, they'll tell Cynthia the neighbor might have had something to do with Sean's murder, hoping that she'll pass it along to police. This goes on for years, and in October of 1999, that's when a new lead comes in. A man who just retired from the Middletown state hospital tells police that one of the psychiatric patients, a guy named William, used to threaten to kill staff members, quote, like he killed Sean Edwards. Because of HIPAA laws, the man hadn't been able to come forward when he was an active employee. But he once policed to know about it now. Investigators subpoenaed the hospital records, and when they managed to gather everything a few months later, detective Jerry misch goes through the hundreds of pages, at least ten thick binders. All of it dealing with staff's daily interactions with William. But there is nothing in the records implicating him in anything. And William was actually staying in the hospital at the time of the murder. He was occasionally allowed to leave on a day pass, but he couldn't just come and go as he pleased. He wouldn't have been able to wander around at 5 36 a.m.. And detective misch says there's nothing indicating William was ever missing from the hospital. So, that's it for that lead. But by now, technology has advanced considerably since Sean was killed. So in March of 2000, Middletown detectives meet with the state police forensics team for a case review. And here's where things get messy. For one thing, we don't know who handled or packaged the various pieces of evidence because sergeant Jennings told us that he couldn't find records detailing the chain of custody. A second issue is, at least some of the evidence, including Sean's bloody clothing, was preserved in plastic. According to a forensic scientist and crime scene expert, George skiro, any evidence that's damp or wet needs to be air dried completely and then packaged in unused dry paper containers. If it's left in plastic for more than a couple of hours, the evidence can be altered or destroyed because fungus or mold can start to grow. And listen, it's not like this was unknown science back then. A law enforcement investigations guide that was publicly released by the army in late 1985 says that damp garments should never be put in plastic bags because there's almost always rapid biological change. But I don't know how readily available this information was back then, especially to smaller departments. And I don't know what the common day to today practices were. But based on the condition of Shawn's evidence, the forensic pathologist tells Middletown that it's not clear if their lab will be able to get any DNA results. Although, it does seem like the lab was able to pull something. There was apparently a small sample of unidentified DNA found on a piece of evidence, but we don't have any details about that. And that's because of the third issue. We don't know the results of a lot of lab testing that was conducted because those records also can't be located. Last we heard Middletown was waiting on state police to get back to them with copies of the results, and they were also in the process of digitizing everything that they do have in Sean's case file, which is at least four huge boxes of records. So maybe they have these documents and just weren't able to find them when we spoke with them. I don't know why they aren't digitized or why these important facts aren't more diligently passed down or recorded in some other way is a more systematic problem that I honestly see across a lot of departments. At any rate, during that case review in 2000, the forensic pathologist shares some insight that bolsters the position many of the detectives have already taken, which is that considering Sean's athletic abilities, there was probably more than one assailant. She also tells them it might be worth it to get a blood stained pattern expert to look over the crime scene photos, which they do. That expert says it looks like Sean was standing up when he was stabbed based on the cast off blood stains on the wall behind him. Now I'm sure you guys know this but cast off blood is droplets that are thrown or transmitted onto a surface from a moving source of blood. So a bleeding victim or a bloody weapon being swung around. Now, with the evidence, it seems like all is not lost, because in 2002, after hearing about a new technique that uses gold dust to get fingerprints off clothing, detective mish starts making plans to submit Sean's football jacket for testing. Though it's hard to get fingerprints off fabric at the time, only two agencies were doing this. The U.S. Secret Service and the Royal Canadian mounted police. It takes almost a year to get it set up, but in March of 2003, Secret Service performed the test. But after all of the work that went into making it happen, police are disappointed when it yields nothing. But that same year, police get a tip that once again brings their attention back to Joey. This episode is made possible by sleep number. You guys I officially have it dialed in. Last night, my sleep IQ score was 83, and that was with my sleep number set at 75. Now I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so even 83 isn't perfect to me. 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So it's important to invest time and care into keeping your mind healthy. Better help is online therapy that offers video phone and even live chat only therapy session. So you don't have to see anyone on camera if you don't want to. It's much more affordable than in person therapy, and it's available worldwide. Better help will assess your needs and the can match you with your own accredited therapist in under 48 hours. Visit better help dot com slash crime junkie and join the over 2 million people who have taken charge of their mental health with the help of an experienced professional. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at better help dot com slash crime junkie. That's better HELP dot com slash crime junkie. A confidential informant says that the knife used in the Sean Edwards homicide is in a house that Joey's mom owned before she passed away. Specifically, in an air duct in the basement. And listen, if you're like me, you're like, hold up. I thought we already found the knife handle at the scene, wouldn't that have been the murder weapon? But police were never able to definitively conclude that anything found at the crime scene was used as a weapon. So this lead could be huge, especially because some investigators are still convinced that Joey has a hand in this somewhere somehow. So the new owner of the house agrees to let police have access to the basement. Feeling hopeful, officers go down there. They open up the air duct, and they find dust. Another dead end. Then, in 2007, detective mesh interviews someone about Sean, who says that that whole rumor about Sean stealing cocaine from Nelson was a garbled version of telephone. He says that he himself was actually the one who stole the cocaine. From Nelson's drug business partner. It's just one of the many bizarre turns this investigation has taken in the 36 years since Sean's murder. But it honestly makes sense and confirms what everyone has been saying all along that Sean had no involvement in drugs whatsoever. For the Edwards family, it has been decades of questions and grief and even fear because at times the family would get harassing phone calls where the caller would tell them that killers got the wrong sibling, and it should have been one of them who got murdered. They never figured out who was calling, or if the calls were really connected to Sean or just a terrible hoax. They tapered off and eventually stopped, so Cynthia thinks it was someone just screwing with their heads. Although why someone would take the time to do that is just beyond me. But get this, Cynthia had a notebook where she'd write down all of the rumors and stuff people told her about Sean. And at some point, she says someone broke in through the back door of her house, and they actually stole that out of her filing cabinet. And that's the only thing they stole. I don't know if she reported it because Cynthia and Sean's sister Kimberly said that over time, they really lost faith that police cared to help them. They felt like they were fighting an uphill battle alone. And they've had bad experiences with several different investigators. Police say that they've spent thousands of hours trying to get to the bottom of Sean's murder and doing everything they can to catch whoever's responsible. Behind the scenes, they tell us that the investigation is still active. It's cycled through multiple detectives as people have retired, including almost everyone Nina interviewed. The newest investigator, a man named Andrew Rosen says that the investigation has taken two different directions that police are now focusing on. One is still drug related, whether Sean himself was involved in drugs, or if he was just friendly with people in the game, police aren't sure. The other direction is that Sean found out about something that someone didn't want him to know. Exactly what that is, we don't know. All detective Rosen would say is that it's related to some sort of illegal activity. Again, not that Shawn was necessarily involved in it himself, but he might have known about it. Maybe whoever did this thought he was going to tell people something, which if you remember, is kind of what people have been telling Kimberly for years, and it could help explain why Sean was afraid in the time leading up to his death why he was carrying around a weapon. There was still a lot of different theories among retired and active cops. Some think Sean's murder was planned from the beginning, others think it started as a fight and then escalated. To Cynthia, the brutality of the attack makes her think it was deliberate. Someone wanted her son to die. And with advancements in technology, especially forensic genealogy, police say they're optimistic that they'll be able to learn more from the evidence they do have. In fact, detective Rosen says that there are plans in the works for more lab testing. Police have also developed potential new suspects, some of whom were not on the radar during the early investigation. They're being pretty tight lipped when it comes to naming them or discussing them at length. But they did say that several of these people are connected in some way, either loosely like they know each other or more directly, like they might have worked together to kill Sean. As far as older suspects and persons of interest, we tried to track down Timothy fair-weather, but we couldn't find any contact for him, but Nina managed to reach his mother, who said that he wouldn't be interested in speaking with us. None of the phone numbers that we found for Eddie Devlin worked, and other people had passed away, including Joey salgado, John fig Lucy, mister figg, and Nelson. Actually, it looks like Nelson was deported at some point and police heard that he was later killed in Colombia. The good news about some of the newer suspects is they're still alive, which means that if they are responsible, they can be held accountable for murdering a child who is still so missed so many years later. To this day, Kimberly has such a clear picture of Sean. The way he looked the last time she saw him alive, lounging on the couch, happy that big grin on his face, but she's also haunted by another memory. Sean in a casket at his funeral, just a few days after that. Cynthia doesn't understand how this could happen, and the grief that she carries in her heart is always there. And it has been from the moment that she learned her son had been killed. She told us, quote, I didn't let them roam the streets. They had a curfew to get home before dark. He's the last kid I ever thought that would happen to. End quote. Let's help this family get some small measure of comfort. Someone out there knows who is responsible for Sean's murder. So if you have any information about this case, please call the Middletown police at 8 four 5 three four three three one 5
Crime Junkie
"jason jennings" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"See, and he wasn't involved. He says that he didn't even know Sean. Eddie also says that he doesn't know why Timothy told police that he was involved, except that the two of them just never got along, they actually got into a fistfight in school in 1985, but Eddie says that that was the last time they saw each other until like 91 at a bar, where they exchanged a look but didn't even speak. A lieutenant at the sheriff's department in Florida offers to give Eddie a polygraph, and he agrees. When he's done, the person conducting the polygraph says that in his opinion, Eddie is telling the truth. Police don't have enough to charge him with anything. And back in New York, despite his unwillingness to speak with detectives, Joey also agrees to take a polygraph and he passes too, so no charges for him either. That same day, Timothy's case goes to a grand jury, and he's indicted on a second degree murder charge. But by now, Dennis has already started to build a really strong defense. Because Timothy's mother is certain that in January of 1986, Timothy was actually in a youth group home called saint cabrini, which is an hour away from Middletown. Timothy was apparently sent there because he was getting into some trouble. But he hadn't been arrested or anything back then, so we're not talking about a high security setup. I mean, still, the kids who stay there are monitored. And his lawyer realizes that this could be the answer to their prayers. He subpoenas the records from saint cabrini and sure enough, he sees that Timothy's placement there went from December 30th, 1985, through January 31st, 1986. Dennis is now totally convinced that Timothy's confession was bogus. But the records he has won't be enough to satisfy the court. Their general placement records, there's no documentation proving that Timothy was there when Sean was killed. So it's time to get the DA's office on board. Of course, prosecutors want more information. So they send an investigator of their own to the facility to dig deeper. The DA's investigator manages to get more detailed records that show not just placement, but hourly bed checks on the day of the murder. Dennis pours through the records as fast as he can, but in the meantime, a preliminary hearing is held, where police dispute the defense's claims that Timothy's confession was coerced. Detectives who testify say Timothy wasn't scared at all. He was totally calm when they spoke with him, and they were, too, because they didn't think that they were interviewing a suspect. But Dennis says that with a guy like Timothy, police wouldn't have had to be wildly aggressive to get him talking. He was very compliant, and it would have been easy to press his buttons. An article by police interrogation expert Richard a Leo in the journal of the American academy of psychiatry and the law says that people who are highly suggestible or compliant are more likely to falsely confess. Highly suggestible people tend to be unassertive and have higher levels of anxiety. And those in other personality traits can make them more vulnerable to interrogation pressure. Timothy could fit the bill, but maybe that doesn't even matter. Maybe those group home records will be all they need to prove that he wasn't involved. According to Tristan Corden's reporting, the saint cabrini records state that all 43 youths were in their beds from the night of January 15th, 1986 through the next morning. They were checked on every hour from one to 9 a.m., and in that important time window of like four to 6 a.m., staff noted that everyone was asleep and the cottage was clean and quiet. But it might not be the solid piece of evidence the defense thinks it is. This episode was made possible by Etsy, where special doesn't have to mean expensive. I don't know if you guys have met me before, but I adore sequin. And I used to say that I own way too much for someone who lives in Indiana, but I've got this whole new attitude about it now. I have stopped waiting for an occasion to wear it and now I wear a sequin to the office. It's a real moira rose vibe. You would love it, trust me. So I am always on the lookout for new and unique sequin pieces to mix into my wardrobe, and I have found some of the cutest stuff on Etsy. Like I just got this light sequined duster jacket with fringe on the ends that is adorable. But Etsy isn't just clothing, sellers on Etsy have handmade items in every category, like home decor, kids toys, jewelry, and more. If you're new to Etsy, use code hello ten at checkout to get 10% off your first purchase. That's code hello ten. Maximum offer value of $50 ends October 31st, 2022. See terms at Etsy dot com slash terms, extraordinary, handmade, affordable. Etsy has it. Shop Etsy dot com. That's because a sank cabrini staff member who was on duty at the time testifies at the hearing, and according to detective sergeant Jason Jennings, the man admits that he had been caught sleeping on the job once before. And his supervisor told him if it ever happened again he'd be fired. So, as for the group home records being indisputable proof that Timothy was nowhere near Middletown, investigators have their doubts. But his lawyer doesn't agree, he says the attendance records placed Timothy at saint cabrini continuously through the entire month of January in 1986. So if prosecutors want to move ahead, they're going to need to show that the facility's records are wrong. Not just around the time that Sean was murdered, but a couple of days before that when Timothee said that Eddie called him at home to arrange the whole thing. The DA realizes his office probably won't be able to tear apart Timothy's alibi. But there's one more thing that he wants before he just dismisses the murder charge. He asks for a polygraph. Under most circumstances, a defense attorney is not going to urge a defendant to take a polygraph. But this is not most circumstances. Not only is Dennis convinced that a polygraph won't hurt them, he thinks it's going to be the thing that saves Timothy. So on Saturday, October 17th, Timothy is brought in from jail to a library in the DA's office. While he answers questions, his lawyer Dennis, Timothy's mom, the DA and the investigator wait in another room. There's some nervousness in the air. Even though the defense thinks this will go their way with the polygraphs. I mean, you can never be a 100% sure. But Timothy finishes up and right then and there, they find out he passed. That Monday, after 12 days in Orange County jail, Timothy walks out a free man. The DA tells the public that at this point there is no indication that Sean was murdered because he was involved with drugs in some way, so police are back to square one. Detective Bernstein wants to keep going, maybe track down other group home employees, formally interview them, even polygraph them. But the chief tells him it's time to move on, the charge was dismissed, that's it. Cynthia tries to wrap her head around the latest development. I mean, in less than two weeks, there went from being three people potentially facing charges for her son's murder to none. It is a roller coaster ride that she never wanted to get on in the first place. And as much as the Edwards family has been trying to move forward, it's almost impossible to do while they're still being bombarded with rumors. Especially because many of the people who share info have an ulterior motive. Like, if someone is mad at a neighbor, they'll tell Cynthia the neighbor might have had something to do with Sean's murder, hoping that she'll pass it along to police. This goes on for years, and in October of 1999, that's when a new lead comes in. A man who just retired from the Middletown state hospital tells police that one of the psychiatric patients, a guy named William, used to threaten to kill staff members, quote, like
Crime Junkie
"jason jennings" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"To report that someone is laying on the ground by a lower level entranceway. And the person might be drunk. Now these quote unquote down and out calls are pretty common and not usually urgent. But it is 8 below zero, and in weather like this, a person could freeze to death. So officer mish in a rookie he's training head right over. When they pull up to the school a few minutes later, they see the custodian waving them over to a side door off a building that houses the pool in gin. And they can just make out someone a man flat on his back in the doorway. But it's still dark out and according to times Herald record reporters Billy house and Lance Oliver, vandals had smashed out the light over the gym doorways ages ago. So officer misch doesn't get a good look at him until he's standing over the man with his flashlight, and that's when he realizes the victim is a lot younger than he first thought. He's a teenager and only about 5 one maybe a 110 pounds. And this kid is not dressed for the weather at all. No gloves, no heavy coat just sweat pants, a hoodie, and a light windbreaker football jacket. But despite the cold, he's still warm, an officer misch thinks he feels a faint pulse. He immediately radios for an ambulance, but he sees a lot of blood around the teenager's stomach. So he lifts up his shirt to get a better look. And right away, it is clear. This is no simple down and out call. The young man on the ground had been stabbed many times to the point that his stomach was actually opened up. The officer can also see what looks like a big gash on the victim's head, even though he's wearing a do rag. And he notices something interesting. Next to the boy is a pile of what looks like spit. I mean, it's not even frozen, so all signs point to this like just happening. The ambulance gets there a couple of minutes later, but it's too late. Whoever their victim is, he's gone, and police have a homicide to investigate. Officer misch radios for detectives and in the meantime, state police investigators who heard the broadcast start showing up. They do this because they have more resources than smaller departments like Middletown, so they process major crime scenes in the area. And there's plenty to work with here because the entrance way is littered with potential clues. I mean, there's blood everywhere on the wall behind the victim on a big rock near his body in a little trail further down the side of the school. There's also chewed gum and cigarette butts. Though remember, it is 1986, so lots of schools at this time let students smoke on campus, so it's not a weird thing to find. But police collect all of it anyway. And as the sun comes up, they realize the crime scene is larger than they thought, with blood and evidence spread across the lower level school grounds, and this loop of road, which kind of like is a circular driveway that's next to the gym. And in the center of that loop is a grassy island with a railing around it. And on one side of the island, the railing is spotted with blood. And near the other side, police find a knife handle. Even though newspaper articles back then say it was a knife, everyone Nina interviewed today says it was just the handle. And another thing to note is that throughout the grass there is blood and pieces of broken glass. So it's obvious to police, this horrific attack didn't happen all at once, or even in one place, and probably not even at the hands of one perpetrator, considering the brutality. It seems like there was a fight that drifted over some distance, and even a chase, too. In fact, they find blood more than 200 feet away from the victim's body. A small pool of it on a path near another side door that leads to a music room. Detectives wonder if the victim may be stopped there for a minute and bled out. Maybe he was trying to hide or thought he had outpaced whoever was chasing him. And listen, I know this is hard to picture without seeing it, so we actually put together a Google Earth map of the school with some photos, which you can find on our blog post. There have been a lot of renovations since the 1980s with the area is still somewhat recognizable, and you can really get a better sense of what I'm talking about. Anyway, police search nearby storm drains, starting close to the school and working their way into surrounding neighborhoods, hoping to find the blade to go with the knife handle that they found, or really any weapon that might have been used. They also start knocking on doors, asking residents if they saw or heard anything strange. Meanwhile, though, kids have actually started to arrive for school. And I was a little shocked by that, like someone is murdered on the campus and you don't even like close down for the day, but I assume it just all happened so fast. I do know at some point the district did close the school, but I don't know if it was just for a couple of hours or what, because the students were definitely there throughout the day. That article by Lance Oliver and Billy House says that they were actually watching from the windows as police collected evidence early that morning. And mind you, the victim is still laying on the ground. He hasn't even been taken away by the medical examiner yet. And police still don't know who he is. But since he seems to be about high school age and he was found at the high school, a sergeant figures at his best chance at a quick ID is to go inside and look through yearbooks. Now, it's a good idea, but it actually doesn't help. Please then try having a few staff members ID this kid, but they don't recognize him either. So by 9 a.m., still unidentified, he is brought to the hospital morgue. But they don't stay totally in the dark about who he is, because there is a clue about his identity that football jacket he's wearing. It's a blue and white 1984 Middletown junior high school team jacket, with the name Sean embroidered on it. Police have a connection to that football team. Another sergeant is an assistant coach. He's off duty so they call him at home and he tells them yes, there is a Sean on the team. Sean Edwards, who plays running back and linebacker, and he's not a high school student, that's why they've had no luck. He's an 8th grade. Sure enough, a quick check of attendance records at the junior high prove that Shawn never showed up that morning. And the coach slash sergeant officially identifies him around 1115 a.m.. Investigators finished processing the crime scene by lunchtime. The blood is washed away with a fire hose, and students gather by the Jim door searching the nearby grass and snow for any evidence that the cops might have missed. And that's when, over at the warehouse where she works, Cynthia's supervisor calls her into his office and tells her that police need to speak with her right away. Since her sister drove them to work, she borrows a friend's car and rushes home. And that fear that has been building inside of her since the moment she saw that empty couch only grows stronger. Her son is missing and police won't tell her what's going on over the phone. Detectives meet her at home, and they bring her all the way to the station, and that's where they break the news. Her youngest child, her baby, is dead. Not only that, but he's the victim of a cold blooded murder. And during the autopsy that was done that day, investigators find out just how cold blooded it really was. Middletown detective Nicholas derosa told us that he's seen hundreds of autopsies, but never anything like this. Sean had been disemboweled. There were at least 15 stab and slash wounds to his back and stomach. But the stab wounds aren't even the worst of it. He might have actually survived those. It was the blow to the head that killed them. Something the detective describes as beyond blunt force trauma. I mean, his skull is in pieces. Police theorized that the damage could have been done with a baseball bat or a metal pipe, or maybe steel toed boots. There's also a bloody rock that was found at the scene and broken glass, although there were no glass fragments found in Sean's skull. The Orange County coroner estimates that Sean had been dead for maybe an hour when his body was found by the custodian around 6 10 a.m.. Based on officer mischief's recollections, it seems like it could be less time than that, but it's impossible to piece together an accurate timeline of those hours leading up to the murder. Police think that Sean left his house sometime around 11 p.m., but they don't know what he was doing for the 7 or so hours that he was MIA, or where he was doing it. I mean, there were only a handful of spots even open that late in Middletown in the 1980s. A couple of diners, convenience stores, and police can't play Sean at any of them. They also don't know how Sean even got to the school. He didn't ride his bike, which was still at home, and he's 14, so not only does he not have a car, none of his friends do either. But everyone, cops, family, Friends, agree on one thing. He didn't walk. The high school is almost two miles from the Edwards home. It would have been like 45 minutes on foot. Now one thing police knew from just living in the area is that lots of teenagers were taking cabs around Middletown, and they knew that Sean did too. So detectives were questioning drivers from two local companies, but they all say that they don't know anything about him taking a taxi that night. But to cab drivers who asked not to be identified, tell reporters Lance Oliver and Billy house that they heard Sean did take a cab Wednesday to a shopping Plaza near the high school that has a movie theater. And at first, listen, I'm like, okay, well, if the cab driver is lying, maybe he's involved. But this is why I have a podcast and not a badge because it turns out it was actually one of Sean's brothers who called the cab to the shopping Plaza. He picked up some food and came right back to the house. Plus, detective learned something interesting when they speak with one of Sean's neighbors. An elderly woman who lives a couple of houses down. This episode was made possible by sleep number. You guys I officially have it dialed in. Last night, my sleep IQ score was 83, and that was with my sleep number set at 75. Now I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so even 83 isn't perfect to me. I'm using the sleep IQ data that I'm given from my bed to continually dial it in even more. 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But no one knows who that driver might be. Because no one knows who Sean was with that night. He had a few crushes, but there was no girlfriend in the picture, so nothing to pursue on that end, and all his friends say that they weren't with him and they didn't see or hear from him. Sean's family figures that if anyone knows what's going on, it's his friend Billy. But Billy says that he doesn't know what happened or where Sean might have been. He even takes a polygraph which he passes. Through the rumor mill, police hear that there might have been a party, but when they track down people who were there, no one had seen Sean, and most of them don't even know who he is. But here's the thing, I mean, Sean had to have been somewhere, right? The weird thing is, police did a premise check at the high school between four ten and four 20 a.m.. It was part of their regular routine and apparently at that time there was nothing out of the ordinary. Now to be fair, I don't know how thorough that check was like if the officer went around the whole school, maybe just pulled up to the main entrance or what? But it's hard to believe that Sean or anyone would just be hanging around outside the school for hours. Again, in the freezing cold, and by the way, Sean hated the cold. Why would he leave the house in the dead of winter with just a sweatshirt in a lightweight nylon windbreaker? But there is something interesting about that windbreaker. His sister says that Shawn was already wearing it while he was on the couch watching the movie. So even though his mom told him he couldn't go out, something about that makes me think that maybe he was planning to. Although if he was, it doesn't seem like he was planning to be out long. But even why he went out is a mystery to this very day. And the true key to unlocking it could be the phone call that Sean got just before he sneaked out. In my mind, someone lured him out of the house, bind the caller and maybe you've got your guy. And that's what makes something detective derosa told us so heartbreaking. Because investigators discuss getting what's known as a phone dump. But for some reason, it doesn't happen. Detective Derozan told us, quote, for $500, you contact the phone company. And they'll give you the last 24 hours of phone calls that came in and went out of that house. They wanted us to do some more work first, and that would have been fine. We were going to continue working, but in the meantime, you have 24 hours to capture this. After that, it's gone. End quote. But you see, that phone dump for whatever reason never happened. Detective derosa says in his opinion, he thinks it didn't happen for financial reasons. Whoever was in charge of making those decisions didn't want to spend the money. Middletown detective sergeant Jason Jennings confirmed that no phone dump was done back then. But he says he doesn't know why. Again, that guy rob that Cynthia heard Shawn mentioned on the phone might be a dead end. She doesn't remember him hanging out with anyone by that name. So without the phone records to help them narrow their focus, police try to look for someone who may be headed out for Sean. But they can't find anyone. I mean, this kid had no enemies. He was well liked, kind of a class clown friendly and charismatic. No one knows why someone would want to hurt him, let alone kill him. But something was bothering him because several of his friends tell detectives that over the past couple of months, Shawn had started carrying kitchen or hunting knives around with him for protection, and he was saying that his life was in danger. But none of his friends know why he felt that way. And this is literally a crime junkie life rule that if, again, you have a secret, something like this, something big that you fear you have to tell someone. And honestly, I have to believe he did. It is unreal for me to think that he was telling this to people and carrying around weapons and nobody had any idea why? I just think people to this day haven't come forward to give information. Meanwhile, without much solid info to go on, rumors begin flying. And lots of these rumors involve allegations that Sean was selling drugs. Carl Dubois, another detective on the case, says drug involvement often comes up as an early theory when a homicide involves young people. Even though in Sean's case, there's really nothing pointing to it besides the rumors. Police didn't find any drug paraphernalia at the scene, and Shawn's name had never come across any officer's deaths because he had never been in trouble with the law. I mean, he had never been in trouble period. His sister says that he was still very much a kid. Even as he was starting to grow up, like one minute, he'd be playing with his toy trucks and the next minute he'd be out in the football field with his teammates. His sister Kimberly told us, quote, he was the best of all 5 of us. He was the most gentlest one. The most happiest one. The one that listened to everything mom said. That was the only night that he disobeyed mom in his life. One time, and that one time cost him his life. According to Lance Oliver's reporting, more than a dozen friends and classmates who spoke with reporters are adamant that Sean did not use or sell drugs. And when his blood tests came back, there were no traces of anything in his system. But one rumor in particular is super persistent. Word around town is that Sean had ripped off a Colombian drug dealer named Nelson, and the rumor was that Nelson killed him in retaliation. Now, investigators say that Nelson is kind of, quote unquote, nerdy. So if Sean did owe him money or stole drugs from him, he'd get others to do his dirty work for him. And from what police are hearing, those others might include two guys who were right down the street from the high school around the time Sean was murdered. 18 year old Eddie Devlin and 17 year old Joseph salgado, who also goes by Jose, but lots of people just call him Joey. Eddie and Joey were at a nearby convenience store with another friend. One of their girlfriends works overnight Sarah's a cashier and apparently they would just go hang out for hours. I'm not sure if Eddie had a criminal history by then, but Joey does. Based on court records, he had gotten in trouble as a juvenile. For something to do with tombstones and burning the American flag. But police say he also has a reputation for being violent. And he and Nelson definitely know one another. Detectives question Eddie and Joey a couple of times, but they can't connect the dots to shine. And the girlfriend who works at the store tells police that Eddie and Joey were there all night. They didn't leave. To Sean's heartbroken family, honestly, all of this drug gossip is just salt in the wound. They don't believe the stories for a minute. And for all the extra grief that the rumors bring, none of them have panned out by the time he's laid to rest on Monday, January 20th. According to Billy house's reporting, a 150 friends and relatives gather to say goodbye on that cold and rainy afternoon. Inside the Middletown's second baptist church, the pastor implores everyone to have faith and tells them that no matter what there's a higher court waiting for whoever killed Sean. Outside of the church, detectives are keeping track of people coming and going. A frustrated lieutenant tells the time Harold record that police haven't ruled out anything, because how can they rule something out if they don't have anything solid to begin with? But behind the scenes, they have started to develop some more plausible theories and suspects, which takes the investigation in drastically different directions. And one of those directions is very close to home. Sean's dad, Melvin. When Cynthia called Melvin that night, he was supposed to drive around looking for Sean. But instead, he apparently went to have coffee at a diner about a half mile from the high school. He stayed there for a while, and then possibly checked a couple of places. Detective derosa says some investigators thought that Melvin did find Sean, and that he was so angry about his son sneaking out. He killed him. Now I don't know how close Melvin is with his kids at this point. Kimberly says Cynthia was really a single mother. To some extent, even before she and Melvin separated in 1983. So it doesn't sound like he was very involved in a day to today sense. But whatever faults he may have had as a parent, his family says that he was never violent, and they don't think that he has anything to do with this. Plus, Melvin is in his mid 40s. He's short and heavy set. Kimberly says that he was also a heavy smoker and Shawn was young and athletic. Everyone says he ran like the wind, so it's hard to picture his father being able to catch up with him, even if he wanted to. He also didn't seem angry that night, and he's honestly grief stricken after Shawn's death. But a state police investigator assigned to work with Middletown PD really latches onto this idea. Melvin's boots are even collected and sent out for lab testing with the rest of the evidence found at the scene. When Melvin is questioned, he insists he had nothing to do with this. And on January 28th, he agrees to take a polygraph. But the results are not great. Even though he doesn't outright fail, the person conducting the polygraph says he doesn't think Melvin is telling the truth when he denies guilty knowledge of the crime. And a woman named Betty who he's been dating tells detectives that she's worried about him, because he's acting really odd. Paranoid and convinced that police are following him everywhere, which like they probably were. I don't think it's unreasonable for him to think that. Although he's hardly the only focus of the investigation. Police are being inundated with tips from the community and playing what seems like an endless, aggravating game of telephone that goes nowhere. Everyone they interview heard something from someone who heard it from someone else and tracking all of these rumors to their source keeps them running in circles. But at the tail end of January, a lead comes in that actually seems legit. 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She admits that she sent it to herself. Police don't have time to even dwell on this red herring. Because another promising lead comes in, from multiple people, a teenage boy in a neighboring school district has been going around bragging to his friends that he was the one who killed Sean. Detectives swoop in to interrogate him, but he says he didn't really kill Shawn. He was just trying to look tough and quote just having a little fun. He passes a polygraph and his parents say that he was home with them all night. So police are pretty confident that he was just bluffing, making some horrible hoax. And it's on to the next lead. This time from a self proclaimed psychic, one of several who have reached out. She says that she was reading the local newspaper when a premonition hit her. Shawn's killer is the man in a photo on page 17. She says, his eyes give him away. And detectives actually check him out. I mean, at this point, why not? But once again, it ends up being nothing. Investigators pull attendance records from the high school. If students are involved, they might not have shown up for class later that day. We're not sure how many kids were there on Thursday, January 16th because of how chaotic it was, but the next day, Friday, January 17th, 311 students were either absent or late, mostly absent. Based on enrollment, that's nearly one in 5. Too many to actually draw any conclusions from. Nothing really happens then until late in February when a new lead emerges. And investigators think this one might have some merit. A tipster says that they saw a 1975 gray Chevrolet Camaro idling in a park about a block and a half from Sean's house between 11 p.m. and midnight on January 15th. Right around the time they think he snuck out. Not only that, apparently the car matches the description of a car seen by another person, hours later between 5 and 6 a.m., parked right near the high school. And this car is easy to spot because it has custom license plates that say mister figg. So on Friday, February 21st, police issue an all points bulletin for this car, along with a press release. But in a bizarre twist, they publicly walk it back a couple of days later. After a 34 year old man named John fig Lucy figures out that they're talking about his car. John tells reporter Lance Oliver that he only learned police were looking for the Camaro when his wife read about the license plate description in the times Harold record. And when he finds out he is livid, he says he doesn't know anything about the murder, that he just went to speak with police after seeing the newspaper and it was the first time that they had talked to him about Sean's case. In fact, he says he didn't even buy the car until a couple of weeks after Sean was killed. Now, there are a couple of conflicting accounts when it comes to this car. According to the times Herald record, a guy named Chris used to own the Camaro, and Chris told reporters that he had recently sold it to a man who offered to pay in cash, but Chris couldn't remember the buyer's name or exactly when he sold it to him. John, meanwhile, told the newspaper that he had gotten the car on January 28th, and the license plates a couple of weeks after that. He also says that police told him that they didn't give reporters the information about the car, and they aren't responsible for what the newspaper prince. We got some different info from sergeant Jennings. Now he says that John told police he bought the car on January 25th. And when detectives interviewed the person who sold it to him, who is apparently a woman, not a guy named Chris, she kind of corroborated the date of sale. Not to the day exactly, but that time period. She also says that the car wasn't running when John bought it, which seems to be backed up by another person, a guy who's been fixing the car for John. That guy told police that the car was up on Jack stands without a transmission until at least January 20th. And that it was at his own house for a couple of weeks before that. And listen, if this mishmash of conflicting dates and stories wasn't confusing enough, after all this crap hits the fan, police tell a local radio station that the mister fig car does not factor into Sean's murder after all, but they're still looking for similar cars. Now, we know that there was some back and forth between local and state police about this. It sounds like the information wasn't supposed to ever even be released. And the local department heads are trying to distance themselves from it. But despite what investigators are telling the public and John, they are absolutely still looking at him. Because police consider him to be a major player in the local drug scene. Detective Barry Bernstein told us, quote, we believed at one time that Sean might have been a dealer for him, that he may have crossed fig and either fig had him killed or killed him himself. But for all these rumors that Sean was selling drugs, police can't find one person, whoever admittedly bought any from him. And while people might be lying to hide their own drug use, we're talking about dozens upon dozens upon dozens of interviews. It's hard to believe that they wouldn't be able to find a single person to confirm this. You can't really be a drug dealer if you know no one knows you're a drug dealer or no one's buying your drugs. And Cynthia can't believe that no one knows what happened to her son. She thinks Sean's Friends seemed scared. But whether they're scared because they know more than they're willing to admit or because their friend had been murdered or both, that isn't clear. People are always telling Kimberly that they've heard rumors that Sean saw something that he wasn't supposed to see, which if true could be why he had been afraid recently. But no one can say what this thing he saw might be. Now all along, Melvin, his dad is still under suspicion. So police decide to set up a second polygraph for him in December of 1986. They know he works a lot, including late hours and taking a polygraph when you're tired can skew the results, so they tell him to stay home the night before and get some sleep. Bright and early on a Saturday morning detectives arrive at Melvin's to bring him to New York City for the test just like planned. But when they arrive, his car is gone, and so is he. Neighbors say that he didn't come home the night before, and when they call his job, he answers the phone. Melvin explains that he had to work a couple of extra hours, but since he wasn't supposed to be there to begin with, the story doesn't add up for police. Now he still takes the polygraph, but it's inconclusive. So police decide to dig deeper, Melvin at the time is dating a woman named Diane, who just happens to be detective derosa's former grade school classmate because why not, right? And Diane says that Melvin calls her pretty frequently. Detective derosa hadn't bought into the Melvin theory in the first place, but the polygraph thing did make him a little suspicious. So he asked Diane if police can record her conversations with Melvin, maybe he'll admit to something. She agrees, but they don't learn anything useful. Melvin tells Diane that police are suspicious of him, but that he didn't do anything to his son. And at the end of the day, most everyone in law enforcement believes him. The general theory is that more than one person was involved in Sean's murder. And whoever did this is probably around Sean's age. Someone fast like him because he's not just going to stand there and let someone stab him. So despite all their work, the first anniversary of Sean's murder comes and goes with no answers. Cynthia spends the day putting reward posters up around town. But as time passes, fewer leads come in, and things quiet down for a while. Until the summer of 1987, when an unrelated and horrific home invasion puts an early suspect back in the hot seat. I'm going to tell you all about that in part two. You can either listen right now in the fan club or I'll be back in your feeds with part two next week. But if you want to listen early again, you can listen right now in the fan club. You can sign up on our website crime junkie podcast dot
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"Who do you think was the hardest picture that you had to face and not successful against? Not successful. Well, I mean, there's no way I got a hit off big unit. I mean, I don't know how many times I chased him. But I've not only been a couple, but I didn't hit him. Uh, Trying to thank you. I would have faced them about Tom Glavine. I wouldn't hit him. I don't think Chan Ho Park. Yeah, I probably wouldn't hit him either. Andy Ashby. Oh, I did face him a lot. Well, 40 Williams a lot too, Because what he will. Yeah, right. Well, all three of those pictures You are over nine each one of them, but that's okay. That's okay. You know, that's okay. But I gotta ask you who is Bryant? Lord, This is a guy that I tried to look at. Brian Lawrence, you are over Telegram. He was a padre guy. Okay, I I could not. I mean this guy. I couldn't remember who he was. Those are the guys that you went over. Jason Jennings was another 11 for 10. So these are obscure names, a few of them. But, you know, glad. And Channel Park and Andy Ashby is not too shabby with those three. So let's go on the other side to hit. Let's go on the other side. Who did you rake? Who do you think you had your best at bats against any good names? Would not know a name now I know I know Foppert. Jesse Foppert just texted me the other day and said That he was laughing because he heard on the radio that this date Giants history is when I went three for three with two doubles and four R B I in Pittsburgh. But now I have no idea who the pictures work. Well, how about Shawn Estes? What'd you do against the lefty? Oh, did I didn't. I didn't hit Shawnee. I burned it, Johnny. No, you're you and two for two with a double off of them. Oh, my God back. I'm gonna have to call him today. You might have to Jose Silva, another 12 for two a two R B. I's here's a good one. Jason is Ring house. Good hard thrower there. Which Yeah. What you do against him? Eric. He must must have got him when he was with the match. Then he could bring it to two for three off of him. I was impressed. That's impressive. See him. Sometimes I see him sometimes, too. I'm not to tell him that to you now. Now Wayne Franklin was a lefty. Correct. Yes. Two for three off Wayne Franklin. Very good. I must have stayed in on him. I was going to say you had have done something because that that's a pretty good. That was a tough lefty back in the day. And here's the best one. A Dodger Oral Hershiser, which do gets big oral Oh, well, I faced him and my second career game, But I've done it three times off of I was gonna say that. Did I hit him? Yeah. You went one for one for one. But three sac bunts, which was I thought was impressive with oral in one game. Yeah. One day. Andy Bennis. You know, we go back to Andy Bennis. That was probably the most at backs you had. You went three for 11 off him. Good good numbers off him. That was really the the most at bats you had. And you were talking about Andy Ashby. But Andy Ben is definitely uh, when he was with the Padres of the Cardinals, probably either, or But good numbers. You only struck out 105 times and that was out of 622 at bats. So I thought that was very impressive. You're the bat. You know the lumber company as you would say it Well, I do know, Dusty told me first game or that first year in 96. I think the Cardinals beat me. And like my second start for the Giants, or first I don't know what it was in 96, but I busted in the two double plays, and so in the third time up, we're losing one to nothing. He pinch pit Gardi so that he could bunt. We had 1st and 2nd. Well, then Gardi hit no double play, and I ended up I ended up losing the game one to nothing. And after the game, baked told me, he said, Hey, he goes kid. He goes. I wanted to keep you in the game, he said. But he goes. I couldn't. I was trying to get those runners over. He goes. If you want to pitch deeper in the games and get a chance to win, because you have to learn to bunt better. So after that, I concentrated more on, you know, putting the ball in play and getting my bunch down. And do you know anything else? While in 2000 and three You had a stolen base. You had one stolen base in your career and one caught stealing. Couldn't find this. Do you remember your stolen base? Oh, gosh. Arizona, uh, believe me believe they were standing on the top step of the dugout like on the railing, and I was looking at him and he was giving me like with his two fingers like to run like, you know, in the Hey, Just go like with two fingers and I'm like looking at him, like, Are you serious? And he kept doing it. And because nobody. The guy was kind of just right behind me. And I took off and and I've got the steel and I actually have a picture of it in my shed. I got one first stolen base. I just don't tell people that was my only don't sit. That was well, You know, you're definitely kept the clubhouse alive. JT slow. Uh, so many people. Tyler Walker. Richard Really, Yeah, everybody you picked on and everybody picked on you. And that was the center of attention. But I got to go back into some of the clubhouse pools that you did and how many different basketball pools and things you Kentucky Derby. All these things You ended up winning, and they always said He's Irish. He's got to be Irish. He's got to have a leper iccat it it is body somewhere. And you know the the four Cleveland four Leaf clover must be in his pocket at all times. How did you win most of these? Because they said he was mostly to lie and share of everything Was that something you worked out? Is that some kind of information you held back. No, it was. It was luck and you're you're saying all the good luck charms. If you ask anybody, they always said I had a horseshoe. That's what it was to tell you where they where they told me that I had it. But they said I had, They said I had a horse you all the time, And even when I pitched, they'd say that But I don't know Now Guys will tell you that they all said I cheated because I even won the Kentucky Derby. One year they put up on the video board out in center field. Woody the cheater. Uh but I told him all the time. I mean, we go through the courthouse in spring training, picking names out of a hat. I mean, whenever I had to pick guys would like, roll my sleeves up. Make sure I couldn't have they thought I put names in my pants. I mean, I was basically wearing nothing when I'd pick a name out of a hat because they thought I was speaking somehow and and I told him I said I'm not. I said, I'm just telling you, it works out that way. But You know, Dusty, Dusty did a video and I always go back to bake because he'd always do something crazy with tools to and that he called me on the video. Carla did for me when I retired. The very last thing on it is dusty saying Hey, I love you. I love all your family. But he goes one of these days. A goes over to catch you cheap because I know I know you had to cheat it some of those tools because you want every year. Well, how about Ray Durham? Ray Durham made it quote. Guys say Kirk reader was lucky over the years watching him win. They just got pencil whipped. Dropped out with the letters right there. Just put it right out of the point there. D be the Yeah. They thought something was going on all the time. And a great story Me and grip, marquees Grissom. We were combined one year and For the CIA pool..
GSMC Social Media News Podcast
"jason jennings" Discussed on GSMC Social Media News Podcast
"Thirty nine after a cancer battle. She was a lead singer of the group girls aloud over in the uk after that what we talk about justin timberlake in his update in his life with the arrival of his new baby. Us back in july coming after that we're gonna be talking about beyond say and how she has turned forty this past week and basically her licey and why she is such a queen. And after that we're gonna be wrapping up with a list of co stars. Who hated working together. But we would never have known it. So let's go ahead and get on into it so sarah harding. I saw this on twitter. Actually no i saw this on e. news online. And i wanted to talk about who. Sarah harding is as a person i because people probably won't know about her since she's over from the uk. So sarah harding was born sarah. Nicole harding on november seventeenth nineteen eighty-one. She has an english singer model and actress. Who rose to fame in late. Two thousand two when she successfully auditioned for the it reality series popstars the rivals and this is kind of relevant with some topics that i've talked about in the past as far as love island because love ireland. Uk like the original. Love island is based in the k. And there's people from all over the uk on that show and it also is on tv. So i have a feeling. That's kind of like the mtv of the us em tv of the uk but mtv loss in the us if that makes sense The program announced that harding had won a place as a member of the girl group girls aloud which girls aloud is a british irish pop. Girl group that was created through the icy be talent. Show in two thousand two and it comprised seniors cheryl cole nadine coyle sarah harding nicola roberts in kimberley walsh. They achieved a string of twenty consecutive top ten singles in the united kingdom including four number. Ones they also achieve seven certified albums of two. I'm sorry of which to reach number one. They've been nominated for five awards winning the two thousand nine best single for the promise so back to sarah harding She was born in ascott. Berkshire she attended. Saint cuthbert's primary school in igam until nineteen ninety-three and she was raised with two half brothers attended hazel of high school from nineteen ninety three to nineteen ninety eight and then later attended stockport college where she studied hair and beauty. She then worked as part of the promotions team for two nightclubs in the grand central leisure park in stockport as a and as a waitresses pizza hut evanger collector in a bt telephone operator she also toured north west england performing at pubs social clubs in caravan parks to support herself into thousand two. She was recorded. She was recording dance tracks when she decided to audition for the uk. Talent search shows jettisoned for fame academy and popstars the rivals in it was in the ladder on which she found fame pulling out of fame academy after being accepted into the first round of popstars. Harding also entered. Fhm's high street. Honeys two thousand two magazines national beauty contest. Her pictures appeared in the top. One hundred harding withdrew upon achieving success. On popstars so she has a very big career after she was on this show so in two thousand two. She auditioned for the show and from that she found her band So the show actually would see the creation of two rivals roots of boy band in a girl group each consisting of five members which would then compete against each other for the two thousand and two christmas number one spot. The uk singles chart several thousand applicants attended auditions across the uk and hope of being selected. Ten girls and ten boys were chosen. Chosen as finalists by judges. Pete waterman louis walsh in jerry. Hallel these finalists than took the stage. Participating in weekly saturday night live performances Alternating weekly between the girls in the boys. Each week the contestant polling the fewest phone votes was eliminated until the final lineups of the groups emerged. Harding joined nadine coyle. Cheryl tweedy nicole roberts in kimberley walsh. She comprised the new girl group girls aloud farm. The by public vote on november. Thirty two thousand two. The group's debut single sound of the underground peaked at number one on the uk singles chart becoming the two thousand two chris number one girls aloud. Hold the record for the shortest time between formation in reaching number one and they released their album sound of the underground in man two thousand three which entered the charts at number two were certified platinum by the british phonographic industry later the same year their singles. I'll stand by you. Walk this way. And the promise have charted at number one. Two of their albums have reached the top of the uk albums chart the greatest hits album. The sound of girls aloud in two thousand eight's out of control both which entered the chart at number one with over one million copies of the former be sold. They also achieved seven certified and have been nominated for five awards when in the two thousand nine best single for the promise so in two thousand six harding signed a hundred thousand pound deal with tomato. Ultimo ultimo lingerie following. The likes of penny lancaster. Rachel hunter in helena christiansen alongside her girls log. Being maids harding was made a cameo appearance in saint trinian's in two thousand seven. She took her first major acting role in two thousand eight appearing in the low budget thriller bad day. Harding war brunette. Wake for the role of jason jennings and the film also stars don aaron claire. Goose she collaborated with the london. Sin pop band filthy dukes. On a cover of real wild child recorded for the film while child in two thousand nine girls girls aloud announced they were taking a long hiatus to pursue solo projects that would reunite for a new studio album in two thousand ten enduring that break harding at focused on her acting. Career.
News Radio 920 AM
"jason jennings" Discussed on News Radio 920 AM
"It's Andy West. Let's look back on this day in sports history. August 24th. We'll start off by wishing a happy birthday to baseball Hall of Famer Cal Ripken Jr born today in 1960. Nicknamed the Iron Man. He played 21 seasons and holds the major league baseball record for consecutive games played at 2632. He won one World Series during his career in 1983 Happy birthday, Cal. We'll jump way ahead to today in 2000 and one where Colorado starting pitcher Jason Jennings goes three for five in his major league debut, including a homer while pitching a tent to nothing complete game shutout over the Mets. The right hander. Comes the first pitcher in modern baseball history to throw a shutout and hit a home run in his first game. And today in 2000 and six Jerry Rice signs a one day contract with the San Francisco 49 ers so he can officially retire from the NFL as a 40 Niner, where he started his career, he was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. In 2010. Now you know today in sports history on I Heart radio Free I heart radio APP is number one for music, radio and podcasts, All in one discover a new podcast from our library of hundreds of thousands of titles. Here's an I Heart radio podcast preview. Some say they are the eternal mortal enemy of mankind. Others say they're so similar to us that we can befriend them. Like us. They're born and they die like us. They fall in love, Marry, have Children and like us, they hate and fight and destroy. But truth be told there nothing like us. They are powerful and ancient, and they exist right alongside us in their own dimensions their own tribes in their own kingdoms. Millions of people throughout history and across continents have believed in these creatures hidden from our human eyes invisible but as real as the smokeless flames that they're created out of The jinn. My name is Robert Chowdhry, an attorney. New York Times Best selling author and producer and co host of the popular Criminal Justice podcast, undisclosed But I'm also someone who grew up in a culture rich with the legends and stories about the gin swapping gin stories like other kids swap ghost stories, both terrified and in all of them, And that's why I will be your guide into the world of the Hidden Jin, a new podcast exploring the centuries of tales tradition. Where we're coming. We all city layout get Are you saying you're contra Sounds will all be Diane. How little jail and and if you want a little bang in the come along, it did not have to happen That way. This is not a withdrawal. This was a total surrender Surrender for no reason. So the idea this is I think that history is gonna record this was the logical, rational and right decision to make. It was very difficult to predict. With accuracy is all occurred in a span of about 11 days. Nobody predicted that you know the government would fall in 11.
Talk Radio 1190 KFXR
"jason jennings" Discussed on Talk Radio 1190 KFXR
"Some of the messages that you got in those first few days or weeks? All right. So one message. I saw your posts and I about threw up and had an emotional breakdown at work. Today. I am another number on that list Fall 2011 after a week and I just go take a party sponsored by the high there. I'm not quite sure what to write or how much straight for me. It was the fall of 2012. I was 21 years old and went to Spain to intern for the company for six months. There's another one that says One thing I kept coming back to you is that I wish I'd said something. I wish I could go back in time and explain to myself that this wasn't okay. And then I had every right to speak up. Thank you for having the courage to come forward and help the rest of us find some healing from WBZ. Chicago. I'm Candace Mattel Con. A new season of W. B E Z is investigative series motive. You know, at this point, it's we're not just waiting for the second woman or the third woman. Often our culture is waiting for the 30th woman or the 35th woman before the first woman is recognized as having any credibility. This is a story about years of silence how it was broken. And the young women trying desperately to get justice. I definitely want him to go to jail for a very long time. I want him to be, you know, locked up for the rest of his life. I really want him to Get a sentence and I really want him far away from girls. Listen and follow this podcast for free on the I heart radio app number one for music, radio and podcasts, all in one app. Records milestones first last and everything in between. What happened today in sports history on I Heart radio. What's happening? Fellow sports fans. It's Andy West. Let's look back on this day in sports history. August 24th. We'll start off by wishing a happy birthday to baseball Hall of Famer Cal Ripken Jr. Born today in 1960, nicknamed the Iron Man. He played 21 seasons and holds the Major league baseball record for Executive games played at 2632. He won one World Series during his career in 1983 Happy birthday, Cal. We'll jump way ahead to today in 2000 and one where Colorado starting pitcher Jason Jennings goes three for five in his major league debut, including a homer while pitching a tent to nothing complete game shutout over the Mets. The right hander becomes the first pitcher in modern baseball history to throw a shutout and hit a home run in his first game. And today in 2000 and six Jerry Rice signs a one day contract with the San Francisco 40 Niners so he can officially retired from the NFL as a 40 Niner, where he started his career, he was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame..
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"jason jennings" Discussed on KOA 850 AM
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Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"jason jennings" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Mike cameron walks milton. Bradley ground. rule. Double adrian gonzales sacked fly khalil greene single josh bard run-scoring single kevin coups munaf fly ball. Jeff glum walk tim. Stauffer single scores runs brian. Giles up again. We've batted around at this point. Run-scoring double mike cameron homerun two run homer. Milton bradley singles. And then adrian could halas finally mercifully. If you can call it that knocks jason jennings game with another two run homer and as you might surmise other than the walks. There were a lot of short plate. Appearances here and Early in count swings. So that's about as terribly as you can start again am and lucas went onto higher numbers of runs as well but beyond eleven. You have to go into the second inning. So i'll put the spreadsheet online but yes you know. Sometimes it's very clear that you are having bad day at work very very quickly. Yeah or you could be like the lance lynn approach to this which i you quote. Tweeted his quote. That james tweeted recently. Which is when he's playing catch between starts lance. Lynn is always wearing a hoodie with long sleeves underneath which was still the case on monday as temperatures went into the high nineties. He explained that if you always feel miserable. It offers a sort of consistency. Each is an interesting way to think about things. Yeah i think he just needs to come on the pod and talk about his life and sweating. It's fine imagine how mad michael barone would be if we had lance lynn. That to my foley stopping the world's biggest lance lynn. Thin of got to admit i. I like winston to not as much as michael because no one does but I liked his quote last week. To where james speaking tweeted this too. How do you know when you're up to the task of throwing a hundred seventeen pitches. I'm a big bastard said linson. That's how i know it's not wrong. He's a large man. It's just delightful all right so that concludes a lot of interest that plastic for today. So we've gotta guess we're take a quick break and when we come back we will be joined by benjamin christensen who works for hat club and he is going to tell us about baseball hats which have caused stir in recent days and weeks because new era has put out a couple of lines of baseball caps i the local market caps and then more recently the mixed font caps and baseball twitter at least the portions of it that we belong to seems unanimous in agreeing that these are terrible caps. And what were they thinking and who would possibly by these and it turns out that actually people do that may be. There is a market for these. Maybe it is not so inexplicable that these hats. What the way they do. So as i've said. I don't claim to know anything about fashion. I don't even wear hats. So i'm totally out of my wheelhouse here and normally fashioned so subjective. We probably wouldn't even talk about it. We did pile on a little with the local market caps. 'cause it was just the chorus the refrain was so loud in condemning these caps. But we wanted to dig a little deeper and find out more about why these caps look the way they do. So we'll be back in just a moment to talk about that lab my small right. I want to start this segment by reading little passage about hats that was written by baseball prospectus. Shocker soman doctors. Nolde palam from the ringer so not trying to pick on him. Here just wanted to quote him. Because i think he sort of summed up the sentiments of baseball twitter when it comes to some of new era's recent hats. So.
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"jason jennings" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"So many years ago that area headed to grommesh ucla. But it seems like longer. Gather ye cy young awards while you may. Things have not been great for him lately. On tuesday he failed to finish the second inning for his second straight outing and he gave up seven runs and was pulled after one and two thirds and the cubs entered wednesday having lost eleven games in a row. It's not looking so great. Were neck and neck with the brewers until very recently and then the brewers won every game and the cubs lost game. Suddenly there's a lot of separation between those teams saves. i'd trading you darvish going with a super soft tossing rotation with maybe not the best idea not that. That's their only issue but this outing by arrietta prompted a couple listener emails about potential. Stop material here. Because ariana allowed a grand slam very very quickly. In this case things went south. Right away so michael wrote in to say in. The top of the first of the tuesday cubs phillies game. Andrew mccutchen hit a grand slam on tenth. Pitch of the top of the first inning. Is that the earliest into a game. A grand slam has been hit. What about anywhere in the game. What's the fewest pitches. A has needed to go from having the bases empty to hitting a grand slam. That can really be a shock to the system. He co from no threat at all. Everything is just in the starting condition to a oh bases loaded to a homerun and suddenly i'm down for runs and this has happened pretty quickly in the past so there is a tweet that i saw. That was tweeted in response to this to buy a mobile insider dinger on twitter. I will link to this but the person behind this account went back to the beginning of pitch data in nineteen eighty eight and found the fastest from the start of a game to the grand slam and the fastest in. That period was eight pitches. So that's the fastest. It was april twenty. Six two thousand jermaine dye hit a grand slam off of ryan. Rupe remember some guys so that was the the fastest that it's been done at the start of a game in the first inning and the person also tweeted that the only time they could find where reliever entered a game and gave up a grand slam on fewer than ten pitches where all the runs belong to. Him was jerrod riggan on july second. Two thousand and two who gave up a grand slam tori peseta after nine pitches but as also curious about any inning. Not just the first. What's the fastest yuko. 'cause of course everything starts with no one on base and ask lucas apostle heiress of baseball prospectus about this and he did some quarrying wizardry with retro sheet and he found that the fastest anyone has gone from beginning of inning. Two grand slam is five pitches. Five pitches june twelfth. Two thousand four the rangers against the cardinals bottom of the fourth inning and the rangers were already ahead three. Nothing at this point. Chris carpenter pitching for the cardinals. He gives up a first pitch single to gary matthews than he gives up a second pitch single to rod barajas than he gives up a first pitch single to michael young and then a first pitch grand slam home run to hank blalock so five from started getting basis empty to ono grand slam. That is almost as fast as you can do it. Yeah so that's pretty bad. And then he settled down rested the ending. Strike out swinging out strikeout looking so just one of those weird things but things Ran off the rails very quickly and it would just. You don't even have time to recover emotionally. Great it's such a strange and sudden shifted fortunes. It's like getting addicted after one pitch and we got another email about this from dave from wrigley he was at this arrietta came and he emailed us from learfield. Couldn't even wait to get home. And he said. I'm at wrigley watching area to pitch in my buddy just leaned over and asked. Was that the fastest grand slam ever. It was ten pitches into the game. But that got me. Wondering what's the fewest pitches that have yielded the most runs in a game and lucas also went above and beyond and he was only able to go back to two thousand as opposed to the nineteen eight pitch tracking error but he looked up the fastest to every increment of runs. So you can obviously score one run with one pitch and you hit a first pitch leadoff homer. That's happened three hundred seventy three times since two thousand but then he looked up okay. What's the fastest two two runs to three runs. The four runs. So i will put this spreadsheet online for anyone who wants to look it up so fastest t two runs. That has happened. Unsurprisingly in two pitches although that's only happened eleven times since two thousand you just have back to back pitch homers and then fast to three runs that takes four pitches. That has happened three times. Fast of four runs. That's happened in six pitches. Fastest five runs. Eleven pitches fastest. A six runs thirteen pitches fastest. Two seven runs nineteen pitches. This is all still in the first inning here. Fastest two eight runs. Twenty-five pitches fastest two nine runs thirty pitches. Also i the fastest ten runs. Thirty seven pitches also Fastest to eleven runs thirty nine pitches. Also i that's that's the last one that it has happened in the first inning. And this was jason jennings made a start on july twenty ninth two thousand seven. This was padres against astros. This is a this is a real nightmare outing. It's i was gonna ask you. Is this all the same person. And if you're the manager at what point in that score progression decide he just wearing it. Yup this is all poor. Jason jennings who was jason. Yeah pulled after two outs. But also after eleven runs services. Top of the i saw padres batting against the s jason jennings bryan tiles walks..