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"jason fung" Discussed on Dr. Jockers Functional Nutrition
"Yeah. And it all depends on your underlying situation. If your insulin is too high, then yes, bring it down is perfectly you know, is going to be very, very beneficial. And somebody who's you know, it's not high. And people who are, you know, underweight or even malnourished, like, is it helpful? No, not at all, because insulin levels are low. So why would you want to lower them? Right. So it all depends on your situation and understanding how to use fasting, where to use fasting. I think that is really the most important thing. It's just a tool, right? It's just like a knife is neither good or bad. It can be you know, it can kill somebody, sure. But it can also heal if you use it like a scalpel and cut out a cancer or something. So the whole idea is that you have to understand these things. And sometimes it gets lost in the hysteria of, you know, people who are just so dogmatic about this and that. It's like it's all on how you apply it. Yeah, absolutely. You know, it's just so refreshing to be able to converse with you on this. I know obviously you're in the medical world and conversing with a lot of people in that world, and that's probably why you kind of have this perspective of, man, I just wish people would get it, would understand this better. And so, you know, refreshing to hear that. And, you know, in my space, it's like we're talking about this stuff all the time. So sometimes I forget that there are a lot of people that are just resistant to that message. But we're starting to make some headway. And, you know, I think just conversations like this, getting these things out to the world, your YouTube channel, your books, I know have made a big impact for a lot of people. And they've really gotten that message across. And so just want to take a moment, acknowledge all the great work that you're doing. And guys, definitely check out Dr. Jason Fung, check out his website, as well as his books and YouTube channel as well, where he's given out really, really great information like we talked about today. So, Dr. Fung, thanks again for this great conversation. Any last words of inspiration here for our audience? I think that one of the things people have to understand is that it's it's it can change like your life, right? Because a lot of these things, like if you have type two diabetes, you're at high risk of lots of bad things, OK? So heart disease, cancer, strokes, you know, infections, blindness, kidney disease, amputations. Right. So and a lot of people in the U.S. have either type two diabetes or pre-diabetes. Like, you know, it's actually well over a third of the population has pre-diabetes or type two diabetes. And so that puts them at huge risk of really bad things. And the point is that it's all reversible. So, yeah, maybe maybe fasting isn't the most fun thing in the world, like. It's it's something to really think about, it's sort of like doing exercise. A lot of people don't like to do exercise, but they do it anyway because they know it's good for you. It's the same thing as fasting. It's really something that's part of your sort of daily life, like brushing your teeth, like brushing your teeth is not fun. But we all do it because it's something you have to do to stay healthy. Right. Fasting is the same. It's just something you need to do to stay healthy. Now, if you're so far on that pathway to type two diabetes, pre-diabetes, well, then you need to do more to get to work your way down. But if you do it every day, if you simply keep at it, then you can get to it. And the people with type two diabetes, particularly, you have to understand that it's a reversible disease. So you have to put in the time and the effort. And it's not really just about knowing that you should do it. It's about, you know. Getting the motivation, getting the help, getting the community to help you. Right. Like, you know, we're all in this together and we can help each other. Right. There's no reason to do it alone. It makes it more difficult to do it alone. So it is something that is just a part of everyday life that has been neglected. So you may have to make up for it. So don't think of it as some, you know, people think of it as some weird, crazy, fat diet. It's like, no, it's not. It's just part of everyday life. And you may need to do more if that situation is like that. So, you know, just to think of it that way, rather than, you know, something you can do like once. I mean, I remember some of these studies that people used to do. They're like, oh, if you fast 16 hours and eat in an eight hour window, you can eat whatever you want. It's like, since when did anybody say that? And yet the studies were done using that exact principle and then saying fasting doesn't work. It's like, well, there is nobody I know who said you can do a 16 eight and eat pizza and French fries during for eight hours straight and you'll be fine. Like nobody has said that. And yet the studies say that and then say fasting doesn't work. Like, oh, like there's so much sort of bias against it almost. So so don't think of that. Think of think of just as just another just another tool, something you have to think about every day. Yeah, it's a core component of a healthy lifestyle for for longevity and for health optimization. That's really the way you got to look at it. Well, thanks again, Dr. Fung, guys, check him out again, Dr. Jason Fung dot com and check him out on YouTube and all of his books. Great one is the diabetes code as well as the obesity code and your upcoming book, the cancer code as well. Looking forward to that. Thanks again. I mean, that one's out already, actually. Oh, it is. Yeah. Yeah, great. So the cancer code as well, guys, check that out. 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"jason fung" Discussed on Dr. Jockers Functional Nutrition
"And hunger is not like that and fasting is not like that. And it's always strange that so many people are so against it sometimes. I mean, it's less now than when I started. When I started, it was completely like people were telling me all about this. I'm like, read your basic physiology textbook, man. It's not anywhere close to what is happening out there. And, you know, the whole this whole idea about. You know, burning muscle, I think, is also way over. Blown to I mean, it all everything depends on your clinical situation, because I see this sometimes people are out there saying, oh, it makes you lose protein and stuff, it's like lose muscle is the one I was just looking at, actually. And it's it's sort of ridiculous because they do these DEXA scans or something like that before and after a fast, and they say, oh, I lost like 10 pounds of muscle. It's like so. In other words, do you think the human body is so incredibly stupid that when you know, when it's you know, you have when you're storing energy store body fat, but when you actually need that body fat, you go and burn your muscle. Is that right? You think the body is just that stupid, right? And of course, it's not because when they actually study, why is it that the muscle looks like it goes down? They took these men, they put them through a 10 day fast and said, there's a huge amount of muscle loss according to the scan. But when they actually broke it down, it was all basically muscle glycogen and water that was being lost. Because if you actually were to measure these people after they sort of lost all this muscle, you know, a week later, they've magically regained all this muscle without doing exercise. Right. It's like, well, you think that people just lose 10 pounds of muscle without for for no reason while maintaining muscle strength and then regain it without doing exercise like I wish and what was interesting about the study where they did a 10 day fast is that when they actually measure strength, strength actually went up in certain in certain muscles by about 33 percent. It's like, oh, so they weren't losing muscle. They're actually much stronger than they were before. And some of it may have been the sympathetic tone that was elevated. But in other words, no, you're not burning muscle. Now, if you're at like three percent body fat, sure, maybe you will. But I'm mostly treating people well in excess of the average, which is sort of 20 to 25 percent body fat. So for somebody who weighs 200 pounds, you're talking about 50 pounds of body fat that's sitting there. And that's for an average person like 25 percent is not like really they don't look like overweight. I mean, the people who look overweight are at like 40 percent body fat. Right. So it's like 50 pounds of body fat. And you think the body's just that stupid. That's just going to start burning muscle. Right. I don't think so. Yeah, again, it doesn't take into account the hormonal effect. Growth hormone is a very powerful hormone in the body. And it's going to say, hold on to that lean body tissue and help preserve that you get. You have elevated branched chain amino acids when your body starts to burn fat and insulin goes down, which tell the body, OK, hold on to that muscle tissue. We want to preserve that because we need to kill something. Right. We need to we need to hunt. We need to harvest. We need to find food. So we need that muscle tissue from an ancestral perspective. And of course, you have that noradrenaline as well. Then we're epinephrine that comes out. And that would be why somebody would be stronger after a 10 day fast. Right. Really fascinating. I think probably the only way you might lose some muscle is if you're somebody that has built a lot of muscle from resistance training and then you just it's really more of the stopping the resistance training for an extended period of time. You're going to have some natural atrophy, just like you would if you were eating. You would have atrophy as well because you built that extra muscle tissue. And so oftentimes when we're fasting, you know, we're not we're not doing resistance training because it might stimulate more cravings or things like that. So if somebody is doing an extended fast, that's that's certainly possible. But the hormonal impact is so powerful. And we know growth hormone has incredible effects on aging as well. They call it the quintessential anti-aging effect. And when we just stop eating, when we fast and bring insulin down, we get this nice rise of growth hormone that can have these powerful anti-aging effects. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And the thing is that it has so many benefits and so many different areas. Right. So not just metabolic health, of course, but people talk about autophagy and people often talk about like cancer, for example. mTOR insulin are both growth hormones, right? They're they're nutrient sensors, right? They go up when you eat. So when you don't eat, they tend to go down. But they also tend to be associated with a lot of cancers. So obesity is associated with cancer. So can you reduce your risk? Maybe all of these things are. You know, they're not for sure, but there's a lot of, you know, really important benefits that go along with fasting. It's amazing. It's a free intervention. It's been used for thousands of years as a sort of pro longevity, pro health thing. Right. People didn't fast for fun. They fasted because they thought it was good for them. Yeah, and I think maybe they were onto something, right? It's it's crazy to think that we're so out of the loop that, you know, we think we're so smart when people in the past didn't necessarily know why it would help them, but they realized it would help them so that that was enough for them. Right. They just said, OK, well, it's enough to help me. So so they did it right. It's it's it's incredible. Yeah, when the insulin effect on chronic disease, I always think about it like this. The there may be a genetic or a toxicity component or some sort of component that is kind of like the spark on a fire that kind of lights the fire. But the higher your insulin, it's like you're pouring gasoline on it. And so you're allowing now that spark to really take life. And when you when you control your insulin, you're not you're no longer pouring the gasoline. So now the body has a chance to kind of bring that fire down and under control.
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"jason fung" Discussed on Dr. Jockers Functional Nutrition
"Like people are always they tend to overthink things, right? Things are not that complicated. Body fat and blood glucose are two ways that the body uses to store calories. OK, so if you have too much glucose, which is diabetes, or you have too much body fat, which is obesity, then you have too much stored food on your body. So if you don't eat, your body will use the calories that are stored as body fat or as blood glucose. That's it. That's all that happens during a fast. So why are people like fearing the fast? Like, why is it so bad to fast? When you fast, your body will use body fat. That's what it's there for. You're using it for what it's there for. So why not do it right? Don't overthink these things. After a fast, will you be more hungry? Yes, you might be, in which case you have to control the you know, you do have to control what you're eating. But on the other hand, you just have to understand that there's nothing intrinsically wrong with not eating. That's the reason that your body has has these sources of energy. We wouldn't have survived if we didn't have a way to store energy. We'd die in our sleep every single night, but we don't. So therefore, let's just use it for what it's there for. Yeah. And our ancestors, you know, go back a thousand years ago. I mean, we didn't have refrigerators, pantries, things like that. So it was very common they go through feast and famine cycles when food was available, eat as much as they could, and it was very satiating foods like you talked about, high in fiber, fat, healthy fats, proteins, things like that. So they were satiated and they couldn't really store much. And so there were times where they didn't have a good hunt or they didn't have a good harvest. And therefore they were in a season of fasting and their body had to adapt to it. And sometimes they would go days without food. And instead of getting weak and like just laying there because they didn't have any energy, oftentimes they got stronger. They got their senses were heightened because all of the hormonal mechanisms that took place, elevated growth hormone or epinephrine, different things like that, which gave them a greater ability to go out and hunt and be more successful and a higher probability of being successful because their senses were heightened. So it's interesting what happens. It's interesting. And it's all physiology. Like people like this is all sort of basic human physiology that we've understood. It's like first year medical school stuff, right? When you don't eat, insulin is going to fall, right? So your body is going to start liberating some of the energy that's stored. So glucose is going to go into the system. It's going to use body fat. That's fine. But other hormones go up. Growth hormone goes up, which preserves lean mass. Norepinephrine goes up, which is going to increase your concentration abilities. It's going to increase your senses and give you more energy, which is why we have all these studies, for example. Like they'll measure, say, metabolic rate. And after four days of fasting, what they measure is that the metabolic rate, the number of calories the body is burning is actually up by 10 percent. And people have known this forever. I mean, you think about the hungry wolf, the wolf who hasn't eaten for a while. Is it like just falling down tired? No, it's focused and energetic. That's what you want to be. You want to be the hungry wolf. You don't want to be that lion that just ate, you know, sleepy, you know, sort of like that food coma, you know, post Thanksgiving, sort of like, oh, I just need to lie down, sort of feeling like that's not energy. That's because you ate and you're you know, you need to digest.
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"Like people are always they tend to overthink things, right? Things are not that complicated. Body fat and blood glucose are two ways that the body uses to store calories. OK, so if you have too much glucose, which is diabetes, or you have too much body fat, which is obesity, then you have too much stored food on your body. So if you don't eat, your body will use the calories that are stored as body fat or as blood glucose. That's it. That's all that happens during a fast. So why are people like fearing the fast? Like, why is it so bad to fast? When you fast, your body will use body fat. That's what it's there for. You're using it for what it's there for. So why not do it right? Don't overthink these things. After a fast, will you be more hungry? Yes, you might be, in which case you have to control the you know, you do have to control what you're eating. But on the other hand, you just have to understand that there's nothing intrinsically wrong with not eating. That's the reason that your body has has these sources of energy. We wouldn't have survived if we didn't have a way to store energy. We'd die in our sleep every single night, but we don't. So therefore, let's just use it for what it's there for. Yeah. And our ancestors, you know, go back a thousand years ago. I mean, we didn't have refrigerators, pantries, things like that. So it was very common they go through feast and famine cycles when food was available, eat as much as they could, and it was very satiating foods like you talked about, high in fiber, fat, healthy fats, proteins, things like that. So they were satiated and they couldn't really store much. And so there were times where they didn't have a good hunt or they didn't have a good harvest. And therefore they were in a season of fasting and their body had to adapt to it. And sometimes they would go days without food. And instead of getting weak and like just laying there because they didn't have any energy, oftentimes they got stronger. They got their senses were heightened because all of the hormonal mechanisms that took place, elevated growth hormone or epinephrine, different things like that, which gave them a greater ability to go out and hunt and be more successful and a higher probability of being successful because their senses were heightened. So it's interesting what happens. It's interesting. And it's all physiology. Like people like this is all sort of basic human physiology that we've understood. It's like first year medical school stuff, right? When you don't eat, insulin is going to fall, right? So your body is going to start liberating some of the energy that's stored. So glucose is going to go into the system. It's going to use body fat. That's fine. But other hormones go up. Growth hormone goes up, which preserves lean mass. Norepinephrine goes up, which is going to increase your concentration abilities. It's going to increase your senses and give you more energy, which is why we have all these studies, for example. Like they'll measure, say, metabolic rate. And after four days of fasting, what they measure is that the metabolic rate, the number of calories the body is burning is actually up by 10 percent. And people have known this forever. I mean, you think about the hungry wolf, the wolf who hasn't eaten for a while. Is it like just falling down tired? No, it's focused and energetic. That's what you want to be. You want to be the hungry wolf. You don't want to be that lion that just ate, you know, sleepy, you know, sort of like that food coma, you know, post Thanksgiving, sort of like, oh, I just need to lie down, sort of feeling like that's not energy. That's because you ate and you're you know, you need to digest.
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When you leave us a review on Apple iTunes or wherever you listen to this podcast, that helps us reach more people and impact more lives with this message. Thank you so much for doing that and let's go into the show. Well, Dr. Fung, great to connect with you again. And I know you've written The Obesity Code and sold over a half a million copies. With rave reviews and so many great testimonials that have come from that, we still have this obesity epidemic. I mean, you wrote that book seven, eight years ago and yet obesity seems to be climbing even though so many people have found solutions through your book. And so let's talk about the root cause of obesity and why our society is really struggling with this. Yeah, I think, you know, the problem is that things are always very slow to change in medicine. And so there's a lot of sort of old ideas sort of hanging around. And, you know, the people that are in charge of sort of academically obesity medicine, they still mostly talk about calories. So, you know, and you see this in the newspapers and all this sort of stuff that, you know, it's all about calories in, calories out, you know, calorie deniers and all this sort of stuff. And so it's really hard for people to sort of understand if, you know, all the doctors, all the dieticians, all the university people are saying it's all about calories, all about calories, all about calories. Then you think, well, maybe it's all about calories. The problem with that idea is that it's, you know, what I talk about, which is trying to understand the sort of hormonal sort of underpinnings of obesity, is that it doesn't sort of go against the whole calorie thing. What it's trying to do is sort of go one deeper. And I'll give you an example, like, you know, we have the, you know, this sort of thing they say, you know, body fat equals calories in minus calories out. And they always say, you know, you read this in the newspaper, like everybody who denies this is like, you know, denying physics and all this sort of stuff. It's like, but that's not the point. The point is not that it's not about calories. What you're trying to do is trying to get to that one level deeper. And it's like, why is it that calories in exceeds calories out? Right. It's not that. The question is not that calories in exceeds calories out, it's why it is. Right. And there you have to say, are people eating more because they're hungrier? Is it because their metabolic rate is going down? What is that underlying reason? And that is not something that you can decide. Right. Because they say, oh, it's all about calories. So it's basically choice. Right. Whereas if you say, well, they're eating more because they're hungry, then it's like you can't choose to be less hungry or if they're gaining weight because their metabolic rate is going down, you can't choose to have a higher metabolic rate. It just is. So how did people in the 60s and 70s maintain their weights? Well, it's because their hormones, you know, and their hormones that control how hungry you are. There are hormones that control your metabolic rate. There are hormones that control when you stop eating. So there's lots of hormones. And that's the sort of what that's what controls that whole calories sort of issue. So, you know, it's sort of like saying, you know, what caused why did the Titanic sink? Right. And if you're very, very superficial thinker, you'd say, well, it hit an iceberg. It's like, OK, so the answer is don't hit any more icebergs. OK, but that's not useful advice. If you told the captain of a ship, don't hit any icebergs, you think that that would be useful advice. He'd be like, of course, I'm not going to hit icebergs. But the real reason the Titanic sank is that it was going too fast. It was going too fast in an area that had lots of icebergs. So the answer is to slow down, not to not hit icebergs. Right. It's the same with the calories issue. Right. So if you say to somebody, just eat fewer calories. That's the same thing as just don't hit icebergs. Right. You're not getting into the deeper reason as to why they're eating too many calories. If the problem is that the foods are to process the junk food. Right. So it's very highly processed. Well, what happens when you process food? You take out the protein, which creates satiety. You take out the fat, which creates satiety. You take out the fiber, which stretches the stomach and creates satiety. So you take out all those issues. All of a sudden you've gotten rid of all those hormonal satiety factors. Right. Now you have junk food like chips or something like that, highly processed carbohydrates. Now, all of a sudden you can overeat them because you don't have the natural satiety signaling. Right. And that's the reason you're overeating. But it's not. So the problem is not to simply count your calories, because it clearly doesn't work. The problem is to try and find out, is it because you're eating highly processed foods? Is it because you're an emotional eater, for example? Is it because you're unconsciously eating in front of the TV, in front of the movie theaters? Is it because you're addicted to foods? Is it because, you know, you're eating too frequently? Like there's so many things that could cause your calories in to exceed your calories out. You have to get into that deeper level of what is causing it. Not just count your calories. Right. Same as if you say, you know, drunkenness equals alcohol in minus alcohol out. And you say the answer to your solution, to your problem of, you know, drunkenness is just drink less alcohol. It'd be like that's not useful advice. Right. Same as just eat fewer calories is not useful advice because you haven't gone that one level deeper. And that's where, you know, things like fasting, for example, create a structure, for example, to the eating day. So in the 1970s, for example, people didn't generally eat after dinner. You didn't eat until breakfast time. That's the very word, break fast. By creating that fasting period as a standard, you know, habit that virtually everybody followed, you made it easy to have, you know, have a period where people were fasting. And therefore, if you're not eating, then you're using your own, you know, sources of stored calories, which is sugar and body fat. Right. But the reason that you're able to do that so easily in the 70s is because everybody was doing it. Nobody was, you know, if you go to the movies or sit in front of the TV, it's not like other people around you are eating snacks and chips. When they do, you're going to want to. Right. So you've made it difficult for yourself. And that's the reason you've overeaten. Right. So all those calories folks who keep insisting that it's all about a caloric deficit, all about a caloric deficit, it's like, sure it is, but you're not getting into the reason that you're not getting to this caloric deficit. Right. So same with keto. Right. Well, if you have keto, for example, and you cut down a lot of these carbohydrates and you eat natural foods, well, you're eating foods that are naturally very satiating. So you're eating steaks and you're eating, you know, eggs and things that make you feel full. Right. It's and you can compare that to, say, eating white bread and jam. It might be the same number of calories, but you don't have the protein. You don't have the fat, don't have the bulk to make you feel full. So by ten thirty after eating, you know, white bread and jam, you're ravenous. So you're looking for that muffin, whereas if you ate steak and eggs, it might have been the same calories, but you're full for the whole morning and you don't need to eat. So therefore you're creating less calories. Yes, but you're getting to the sort of root cause as to why you're overeating. So so that's why I always think that, you know, and every, you know, people who talk about things like that, you know, like you and I, we often get torn down by the sort of academics and people who are and I always think that you're thinking is so first order, first level thinking, you're not getting into the deeper reason. You're the just eat fewer calories is the equivalent of just drink less alcohol answer. Right. Like how many alcoholics have been cured with the advice to just drink less alcohol, buddy? It's like, yeah, that's the most useless advice. Or, hey, captain, just hit don't hit icebergs. Thanks. Thanks. That is not useful advice in the least. Right. Because the advice is to, hey, why are you drinking more alcohol? Is it depression? Let me get you treatment. Let me get you some, you know, counseling, because that is going to help with the alcohol problem because you're drinking because you're depressed, for example. Right. Whereas, you know, in that analogy, people would say, well, you know, counseling doesn't cure alcoholism in the absence of drinking less alcohol. Of course. Duh. Right. Or slowing down doesn't help the Titanic if if you didn't have an iceberg. Well, duh. Yeah, obviously. But getting to the root cause and I think that's the sort of simplistic thinking that I still see a lot of, like, despite everything that goes out there, people really want to grab onto that calories and so on. And it's like, well, if it worked, I'd be totally fine with it. It actually doesn't work at all. Telling somebody to slow down causes fewer accidents. And those people are attacked for saying that, hey, the advice to slow down doesn't work if if, you know, if you didn't hit anything. Well, well, that's the point, right? You're slowing down so you don't hit anything. Whereas those people say, I can just give people and tell them just don't hit icebergs and that'll do the same thing. It's like, no, it will not. And it's frustrating because it's like to me, it's a very obvious sort of thing. We're trying to get to the deeper reason as to why people are overeating calories, whereas they're saying, but that's the whole problem. So just, you know, deal with it. And it tends to be a lot of these sort of bro science people who, you know, who are all about sort of willpower. And it's like, I think people have the same willpower now than they did 50 years ago. I think the environment is different and we focused on the wrong thing. Yeah, for sure, it's a very robotic answer, calories in, calories out. It doesn't take into effect human behavior and it's not personalized enough for humans. However, it does give processed food companies kind of an excuse because, hey, if it's just the amount of calories, you can eat whatever and just get your calories down to a certain level and you can eat our super processed white bread, right? That's where Coca-Cola was was found giving millions of dollars to these universities. And this is maybe where it comes from, like all these universities are getting millions of dollars to promote this calories idea, which is the whole idea is that you can take one hundred calories of Coca-Cola as to one hundred calories of an egg, it's the same, they're equally fattening, right? Cookies are as fattening as broccoli for the because of the same number of calories. And it's like, like your grandmother would have said, you're an idiot if you believe that, right? And it's true like and it's like, this is what comes out of academic centers, universities, dietitians, doctors. It's like one hundred calories is one hundred calories, whether it's from cookies or whether it's from, you know, salmon. It's like, OK, the minute you put those calories into your mouth, the hormonal response to, you know, eggs versus cookies is completely and utterly different. One will spike glucose, one will spike insulin, the other won't. So if you have a completely different hormonal response to those foods, why would your body react exactly the same? It makes not even a little bit of sense. The whole entire calories argument is completely like it's completely nonsensical, and yet it's frustrating to read that, hey, you know, this doctor and this Ph.D. and this thing says it's all about calories. It's like, is it because they're paid to do it? It's like maybe. But it's also because I think it's been ingrained into them over and over and over again. So they believe it to be true. And some of the times these things just take time, these ideas take time to die out. Yeah, and it really disregards how the body adapts to the food you're putting in. Like you talked about this hormonal response is kind of like if you're a football coach and you just you're like, OK, we're just going to run this one play, we're going to throw it deep to the wide receiver. The defense is going to adapt to it, right? You're not going to be you have to you know what I mean, you have to understand how how the body is going to adapt to the food that you're putting in your body. And that's what you've done such a great job with your books is helping people understand if you eat white bread, if you eat the Coke, you're going to get a blood high blood sugar, you're going to get high insulin and how that actually impacts your ability to burn fat for fuel and your cravings. Right. And so, you know, going back to the root and you talk about this in your book, you know, you talk about the hormonal effect and insulin as the major trump card, in a sense, right, that in the hierarchy of hormones, insulin really has its say. And so can you explain that in more detail here? Yeah, exactly. So there's other hormones that make you gain weight. But, you know, people talk about like so if you're trying to lose weight, the most important thing to understand really is what caused the weight gain in the first place. And people say it's all about the calories. And again, it's not because if you put calories into your body, calories is a source of food energy, right? Your body can decide what to do with it. You put 500 calories and your body can decide what to do with it. It can either store it as fat or can burn it for energy. Right. So your heart, your lungs, your kidneys, they all need energy. So what determines that? Well, it's a hormone. So insulin is the major hormone. So when insulin goes up and this is just its job, right, insulin is a normal hormone. When you eat and insulin goes up, your body wants to store that energy. That's what insulin is doing. Right. And it's because that if you store energy when you don't eat, say, after dinner during that fasting period that you really should have every night, then you're going to need to pull that energy back out. Right. Because you're not eating. So where is your heart, your brain, your liver going to get its energy from? Right. Well, it's going to be the calories that you stored away. So the normal situation is that your body, you have a period of time that you eat, insulin goes up, you store those calories. Then there's a period of fasting. You don't eat, insulin falls, that energy comes back out. Your body is really either in this fed state or it's in the fasted state, in which case the fed state, you're storing calories, the fasted state, you're using calories. And if you keep those balance, good for you. But different foods are going to have different effects on insulin. So you eat cookies, your body gets this massive signal because these processed foods, remember, don't have natural signaling because you've taken away a lot of these sort of natural foods. So you take a highly processed junk food, you eat it and you get this much higher than normal spike in glucose, which gives you this much higher than normal spike in insulin, which tells your body, store that energy as fat. So, OK, so now you take 100 calories of cookies. All of it sucks into your fat stores because you told it to, because that's what the insulin does, but where's your body going to get energy from, right? So an hour later, you know, and there's no satiety signaling, so you're not feeling full in any way. Eating cookies generally doesn't make people feel full. If you drink Coca-Cola, you don't feel full. You can drink that huge, big goal. You don't feel any more full than before. But that's like a thousand calories sitting there, right? So it's not the number of calories that you eat that make you feel full. It's the hormones that make you feel full. You eat a bit of steak. Those satiety hormones, peptide YY, cysticola, cysticinin, they go up. They tell you, OK, you're getting full. You drink all that soda. It's a huge number of calories, no satiety signaling. You don't feel full. The problem is, so you eat the cookies. Insulin spikes way up. You suck all that energy into your fat stores, but you don't feel full. So an hour later, you go eat more cookies. Same thing happens, right? That's why you can't eat cookies for dinner, because you're not going to be full. You're going to be looking for food. And if you're hungry, you're going to eat, right? And then people say you're overeating. It's like, yes, you're overeating. But the reason is that you didn't eat the foods that made you full. And you spiked your insulin, so all of it's getting sucked down. Your body has no energy to use because you sucked it all into storage. Right. So now you're going looking for food because you're like, I need more energy. Just like if you take if you go to the grocery store and you buy groceries and immediately as soon as you get home, you throw that all into your freezer in the basement, right? What are you going to eat? You have nothing to eat. So what do you do? You go back to the grocery store, go get more food because you had nothing to eat. Same thing. You eat these ultra processed foods, right? Mostly refined carbohydrates is the main problem, right? It all goes into storage because insulin told it to go into storage. Now you have no energy for the rest of your body. Now you've got to do it more. Same thing. So insulin is that major determinant. If, on the other hand, you eat, you know, an egg or something and insulin doesn't go up, well, there's plenty of energy floating around. Why do you need to go eat? Right. So your body's like, OK, I'm being full. I'm just going to use the energy here. The difference, of course, is that none of that energy went into storage because you didn't tell it to go into storage. Hormones are what runs the body. Every single thing in our body runs because of hormones, right? Obesity is no different. So if you're trying to fix obesity. You got to say, what's the problem? Well, what causes weight gain? Well, if you think it's calories, well, you're not going to be very successful because people have done these studies, right? If you simply overfeed somebody, it's very difficult to overfeed somebody natural foods, right? If you keep eating steak, steak, steak, there's a point that you actually have to stop, right? You cannot eat and eat and eat because those natural foods have satiety hormones. So that's not going to work. However, if you think that insulin is the major cause of obesity, it's a very simple experiment. If you give somebody insulin, do they gain weight? Absolutely. When you give people insulin, it doesn't matter who you are. If I give them insulin, they will gain weight. Why? Because the insulin is the hormone that tells them to gain weight. So we know 100 percent people say, well, that doesn't prove anything. I'm like, I'm looking for causality. If you say insulin causes obesity, the only experiment that I'm interested in is give insulin, do you gain body fat? If the answer is yes, that means it is a cause of obesity. So it's not the only cause. There are other causes, say cortisol, for example. But it is one of the causes and probably a major cause. So therefore, if you say insulin is a cause of obesity, because we know this, then if you want to lose weight, how are you going to lower insulin? Well, obviously, eat less of the foods that spike your insulin or do fasting, which is ultimately about lowering insulin. It's not about lowering calories necessarily. It's about lowering insulin. Yeah, really, really important stuff there. And insulin, when it's elevated in the body, it will also accelerate cell reproduction and can have an impact on, obviously, inflammatory levels and aging as well. Yeah, yeah, insulin has a lot of effects. So it's also a growth hormone. So for a lot of reasons, high insulin levels, excessively high, are not good. And again, I don't know why this is so controversial, right? So insulin is a hormone. It's supposed to be at a certain level. If it's too high, it's no good. If it's too low, it's not good. I'm not sure why people don't get that. If it's too high, then you need to lower it. So in the state of obesity, we know 100 percent that it's a state of hyperinsulinemia. That is, in people who are overweight, their insulin levels are too high. That's been shown for like 25, 30 years. Nobody doubts it. Same as type 2 diabetes. In type 2 diabetes, your insulin levels are too high. So solution, lower them. It's not that complicated. So the question is now, how are you going to lower them? You could say cut your calories. But remember, some foods don't stimulate insulin barely at all. So if you cut all your, you know, fat calories, like a low fat diet, remember dietary fat doesn't have barely any effect on insulin. So if you have a problem of, OK, my insulin level is too high, I'm going to cut calories, but I'm going to cut fat mostly because fat is very calorically dense, you haven't impacted insulin levels barely at all. So you haven't really fixed your problem, as opposed to, hey, I'm going to cut all my refined carbohydrates because those are the foods that stimulate insulin the most. Therefore, it makes a lot of sense, in fact, highly effective for a lot of people. And yet people will still say, oh, it's because you cut your carbs and actually cut your calories. It's like, no, it's because I cut my carbs and those are the foods that stimulate the insulin the most. But, you know, it's a whole other discussion. The calorie counting, you'll never convince them. Everything always comes back to calories for them because it's just, I don't know, it's just hard for them to wrap their brains around anything else. But the whole idea is that you have a hormonal imbalance. Insulin level is too high. Lower it. Lots of ways to do it. Like you don't have to necessarily go low carb. It's one of the ways you can do fasting and that's one of the ways. But there are diets that are low fat that you can reduce insulin to. I mean, there's there's lots of different ways to do it. Exercise can be a very effective way. It tends to be a lot more work than changing your diet because it's it's not, you know, it's not primarily, insulin's primarily not an exercise hormone. It's predominantly a dietary hormone. But nevertheless, the exercise is going to affect it. But there's lots of different ways, right? There's different ways even in terms of foods like fiber. You can slow down absorption. You can use vinegar. You can change the order of your foods. There's there's a lot of different things. You can change the meal timing, like, you know, eating early rather than late. So there's there's all these sorts of things. And they're important because they affect the hormones and not necessarily the calories. I just want to interrupt this podcast to tell you about one of my favorite supplements. It's Paleo Valley's grass fed organ complex. It's like a supercharged multivitamin that allows you to get a full spectrum of traditional superfoods loaded with nutrients into your body faster, easier and without having to tolerate the taste. You see, grass fed organ complex contains not one, but three organs. It contains heart, liver and kidney, which are extremely rich in B vitamins, vitamin A minerals, coenzyme Q 10. Key things like selenium. These nutrients support your energy, your mental clarity, your immune health, as well as your skin. And they're found in the most bioavailable form that our ancestors used to get. You see, whenever our ancestors would kill an animal, they would go right for the organ meat. So the most coveted parts, because that's really where the life force was. They didn't understand nutrients. But today we know that's where the B vitamins, the co Q 10, the vitamin A, the key minerals are really concentrated in these organs as opposed to the muscle meats, and most of us are just not consuming organ meats on a regular basis. But now you can you can get grass fed organ complex, get these vital nutrients. They're freeze dried to really preserve as much of the nutrients as possible. And you can take this again in replacement of some sort of multivitamin that you may have been taking before. Guys, check it out. Go to paleovalley.com forward slash jockers and use the coupon code jockers at checkout and save 15 percent off today. So if we want to be healthy, we want to be at our optimal weight, want to feel great on a regular basis and we want to live a long life. And as free of chronic disease as possible, we want to control our insulin levels. And so you mentioned several different strategies there. Now, obviously, you have a lot of experience using fasting. And I know as a nephrologist, you're working with a lot of people with diabetes, kidney issues, a lot of people coming in with chronic disease. How do you get them started with a lot of these strategies, including fasting? Yeah, I think that the simplest is fasting because it's it's very easy for people to understand. It's been used for thousands of years. You know, the problem with changing diets very often is that people are very fixed to the foods that they eat, which is which is normal. If you simply say don't eat anything, then it's it's easy to conceptualize that. And it's easy to to to know what to do. Right. Because if you say, OK, eat this ketogenic diet, that's fine. But then you get all these questions. Is this keto? Is this keto? Is this keto? Is this, you know, whereas fasting is a much, you know, it's a cleaner, simpler solution. So it's also a very powerful solution because, of course, you can't eat less than zero. So therefore it is really the ultimate in terms of diet and sort of the fastest way that you can reduce in some levels. You really can't again, you can't go lower than zero. So you really can't go lower than fasting. So it's the most powerful. It's the simplest. It's not fun. Like I never said it was fun, right? I just said it's it's useful. So from people who are very sick, it is a very good tool. And the thing is that a lot of people, you know, over the last 20, 30 years of society, we've gone the other way. Right. As opposed to, you know, in the 70s where you had you didn't eat after dinner, you went right through to breakfast, right? You had 12 hours. They eat dinner at seven, breakfast at seven or nine. Say that's 12 to 14 hours of fasting that every person did every single day without thinking about it. Nowadays, people think it's crazy to go more than three hours without eating. Right. It's like we've gone so far the other way that we have to eat, eat, eat all the time, even to lose weight. It's like I'm always thinking. How does that work? Like how do you eat to lose weight? You really can not because it's completely opposite. It's like go jump in the lake to dry off. It's like, no, you really can't do that. Right. You can't eat to lose weight. So the fasting is the thing that I tend to focus on because it's simple. Right. And all you have to do is start slowly because I'm dealing with a lot of older people, a lot of people who are very ill, who are on other medications and gradually ramp your way up so you can start with again, don't eat after dinner. Make sure you go right through to breakfast and then you can gradually lengthen that period of time if you need to. A lot of people will do well anyway, but then if they want to lose weight, then they can start experimenting with going longer, sort of either eating breakfast later or eating dinner earlier and gradually even dropping one of the meals, because the truth is that if you don't eat.
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"jason fung" Discussed on Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu
"Everything that's for your greater good. Everything that is your purpose. You see it as if it's happening. And I picture myself telling someone else, all of these amazing things about my physical, my personal life, my business life, all of it, as if it is already there. So my body is working and functioning in that modem as if it's already there. And funny enough how people show up to make and realize all of those things that you're putting in your mind and you're just locking it in your mind. And it's not about, well, if I go sit and meditate underneath this tree every day, I'm going to pull everything towards me. I want you to know that is not one part of my body that would ever do that. To think that that's all I need to do to make things happen. You have to take action. You have to take action, but there's a certain there's a certain thing that happens in your mind and your cells and your body when you really concentrate and you focus on that and then you go. So there's the metaphysical and then there's the physical. And you want to be able to capture and really work in both worlds because that's where the magic really happens really capturing capturing your future by demanding it. Demand it, demand what you want, demand it within yourself. And then you go and you get it. And it's funny because I'll go up to people and it's very natural for me now to ask for what I want. Because I'm putting and locking it in my body and my physiology, I walk like you have to assume the position, assume the position of your day. And I tell myself this and I start my day like a Tiger. I want to be a Tiger. That's it. What does that mean? What are the attributes of a child? So Azure abuse of a Tiger is someone who's fearless and someone who's bold because one of the things that I've learned is I sat on the bed through my Swiss training, I sat on the bed of a lot of people who were dying. You know what they had, Tom? Regrets. That is what you hear so often. What are some common ones? It's actually really interesting. It's really interesting. And here's the biggest thing that they regret. A lot of people, they were, they were wealthy, a lot of these people. And they regretted that they did not spend more time with their children. And the other big one was that they regretted that they didn't go for it, that they had at all any fear in going for anything that they wanted. It's interesting that that's successful people saying that. I think there's something very interesting to take away from that in terms of having success in one area of your life. First of all, I think a lot of people think, oh, if I had financial success that I would stop and retire and it does not work like that. Like being successful answers yesterday's problem, it certainly does not answer today or tomorrow's problem. You still have that desperate thirst for meaning and purpose and does not go away and to feed your energy. Doesn't even I think it doesn't even get tainted at all. I think it's in your DNA and you have to respect and honor your DNA and who you are. A lot of us are very mission based because it's that mission in you that just drives you. You know, I have my missions. I have my anger. I have it in my head. And everything is leading, leading, leading, leading to that to that overall mission. And I can't imagine any level of success that is in front of me that would stop me from wanting to be that person that Tiger. And I'm not saying it's not good to stop, ask yourself, slow down. I'm not saying any of that, but what I'm saying is I honor my DNA. I honor the fact that my Friends growing up were reading Cosmo magazine, and I was reading the diabetes journal with Mary Tyler Moore on the cover. I honor everything all of those things. I honor that there's parts of me that are different than a lot of other people in terms of this drive that I have. You know, respecting it on or in that drive but at the same time, not burning out over that drive. Yeah, that's an interesting dichotomy for somebody who found themselves pushing so hard saying yes to everything that they end up having an episode to still be able to get on the other side of that and say, okay, I've got the awareness now. I know what I'm looking out for. I know this has to be mission based, but at the same time, I'm not giving up that drive. I still want to be the Tiger. I still want to have a level of advice. I have to be. See, there's certain things I think that are more destructive than anything else. Not honoring who you really are, that is so destructive to the body. Every day living or being something that you really don't want to be, or living in a way that you don't want to live. And I'll tell you, that's, again, stems back from the experience of listening to people dying and saying, no, I'm not doing that. I'm going to express everything. Don't you feel like you want to live your life and squeeze every bit of potential that you have? Very much so. And when I see other people, I would have squeezed it out of them. I want to squeeze it out of them. So I feel like my job and my role is to wake people up in that sense. I want to pull people out of the tunnel and I've been through. The tunnel is feeling aimless and dark and lost and not sure. You're not sure, and you're numb. I'm telling you. So how do you get them out of that? You make them become aware and re-engage with themselves. Then you see someone really on fire. You know the purpose is the key. All the money all of this and all of that and all of this and that it's great to have the security. It's great to have that security. Ain't gonna make you happy. You know, it's just not. It's just not. It's not enough. It's not enough. Your body, you know, your body has this intelligence. It's very interesting how the body works. And the innate intelligence that it has. And the signs and the signals that it gives you throughout your life, just what you're interested in. And I was told by a college professor years ago, you'll know what you want to do. Where do you go when you go into a bookstore? A library, where's your attention? And it was always the same for me. It was always those damn health books. We drive people crazy, going to the beach. They flip open their novels. And I always sit there with my health stuff. I mean, it was obvious, but you have to pay attention to all these things about yourself. And I am seeing that now more than ever, people really being who they are. It's just not worth it. Just be a Tiger. Go for it. Go for whatever. Don't be don't be embarrassed. Don't be shy. Don't whatever it is. And I just have a belief that, you know, I'm going to say whatever, I'm supposed to say, and I'm not going to get wired about it. I'm happy to be here. Happy to dispel any information or anything that I can give anyone that's going to help. I'm going to be a Tiger about it. Well, speaking of information that will help. Let's come to the gut for a second. So gut health obviously
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"jason fung" Discussed on Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu
"You can get pasture raised. Get pasture raised. You can get grass fed meats, awesome. I firmly believe that most of us operate really well off of meat. So I also find that a lot of people in terms of protein operate really well when they put a lot of fish in there instead of red meat. So if you're thinking, how do I build this plate? Kellyanne, just tell me how I build this damn plate. You want to have protein, like you said, go to the grocery store, buy some really good proteins that work for your body. Get them as healthy as you can as you can because quality actually does matter. Try to balance that plate out. Make sure you have some fibers vegetables. What are those? It's the green stuff. I don't care if you juice it. I don't care if you chop it. I don't care what you do. So we talk about quality of food and what can they do? Should they only eat organic? If you saw what I saw and you saw what really people were really eating, I'm not worried about a chicken carcass. That's not perfect all the time. If you can get people to eat and balance, get as best qualities you can, get in balance and it makes such a big difference. All right, so I want to really pinpoint this notion of balance. So when you say balance you're talking protein fat carbohydrate, like yeah, so yeah, because a lot of it's very off kilter. Some people work operate fantastic on 50% fat. And in other people can operate on 25%. It depends. This is why with keto. I'm just saying when people were on have that on keto. After a while, we start hearing, well, it's not perfect for a lot of people. A lot of women, look, and I know people are going to write and say, are you kidding me? I got these results. I got these results. And for some people, when you're at a starting point where you need to lose a lot of weight, it gets the weight off. It makes the skin look a lot of better. A lot better. But it's a matter of finding that balance somewhere between paleo, somewhere between keto. So you have so we go into more weight maintenance and not diets, but more weight maintenance and more into longevity and more into sustainable diets. What sustainable for you is different for other people. And that's the whole key. And that's what people want right now. This is what I'm hearing over and over again. They want to they want to look at things and approach things very different. People are looking at things for the first time, I think. More spiritually, more spiritually in their food. And that's why we're talking so much about plant based everything now. It has to do with spirituality. People are feeling good on plant based foods. And that's why the keto ish or the keto two. They're adding more plants or adding more opportunity for people to eat more vegetables and things. Is keto becoming a buzzword though, so I was fat phobic for a very long time, and I had massive inflammation as a result. I wasn't eating carbs, but I was eating protein. Probably 85% of my calories I got from protein. I was trying to keep carbs as close to zero as possible, trying to keep fat as close to zero as possible. I basically lived in rabbit starvation. Absolutely atrocious for the joints. I got me lean as hell. I looked fucking awesome, but I did not feel great. So I finally, I encountered DOM d'agostino, Peter attia. They're like, look, you need to be consuming fat. They started talking about ketogenic. And when they were talking about it, it was all about you take a blood test and there are either ketones in your bloodstream or there are not. So if you're going to define keto two. So if keto one were defined by ketones in your bloodstream, what's keto two? It's mid fat and fiber. That's how I want you. That's quantity of fat. So you still think fat before carbs. However, it's different now because the ratio has now changed where you can have more carbohydrates. So just think about it like that. It's really, it's really allowing more fiber through allowing more carbohydrates. So people can feel like they can sustain longer. And that's the key. So whenever you have comfort in eating, the results are far greater. So it's about allowing the body to experience comfort. And we see a younger generation coming in and their tolerance for things like, I remember just driving myself trying different diets and bodybuilding and body and weights and doing shows and competitions and how lean of mine can I see this in my ripped and it's very different now. So now what they want to see is they want to they want to have more peace. They want to feel more fulfilled. It's much more about loving themselves. We're starting to really change all of that pain gain thing. And we're going more towards let's feel better all the way around. Let's feel better. Let's have joy. Let's feel better. Somehow this word joy has captured people and they actually want to experience more joy and not as much of the grind. It's interesting. And that certainly brings up stress. So what's the role of stress when we think about longevity, how detrimental? How does that impact us? What do we do to solve some of the problems that it creates? Yeah, so that is the entrepreneurial dilemma. Yes. And that's funny because when we start achieving greatness and more greatness and we start really achieving all of these things, sometimes life doesn't get easier on our bodies and we really start experiencing more stress than we did before and we have to figure out how to manage it because I can tell you stress will take you down every time. Everyone has stress in their life and somehow and that's what I realized in talking with all these people that everyone has some kind of stress and stress damages cells. And so I know that you went through a really stressful period that manifested in losing consciousness on a flight, which is fun. Sounds terrifying. Yes. What have you done to rebuild from that? Like, what are you doing now to de stress? Is it about joy? Is it about meditation, forest bathing? Like, what are the things that you're actually doing that are somewhat prescriptive that people could follow if they're trying to bring their stress down? For me, I think a lot of my stress had to do with not having boundaries. I was boundary deficient, I was boundary deficient in so many areas of my life. I look back and even when I look back, if I look at pictures or selfies, it's like, how did you not see that coming? You looked burnt out. You were burnt out. So I was on this plane and I remember the woman sitting next to me, she was in the middle of putting a cookie in her mouth. I'm not kidding. And I turned her and I said, hey, my name is Kellyanne. I'm not feeling well. I'm not on any medications, but I'm probably going to pass that and you're going to have to get me help. That was the last thing I remember. Next thing I was in the galley of the plane with all of the airline, the airline stewardess and putting ice in packing ice everywhere. And I was going in and out of consciousness and all I heard was, is there a doctor on board? Is there a medical professional on board I'm laughing in the back saying, yeah, right here, but you know, so there was a gentleman on the plane that was a doctor that was going to his class reunion, and he happened to be on that flight. And at the end of all of it, and he sat with me the whole time, they made sure I had hydration. He was checking my pulse, all of this. The Andy said Kellyanne, you do realize you're burnt out, right? You have to do something. You're burn out. The problem is Tom is that we become very numb. We go through life day after day, we numb down, numb down, numb down, and we somehow we have to stop, and we have to say how am I feeling? How do I feel? Because it's that disconnection.
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"jason fung" Discussed on Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu
"How should they eat? I would say, Sally or Joe, look, I don't know what your health issues are. I don't know what your experiencing, but we're going to get you off anything that comes in a box bag or a can. So no processed food. No processed food. I want you to go to a farmer that's within a 50 mile radius of you. Ask them what you can buy that's in season and buy the animal products that you feel comfortable consuming. I don't really care so much as what you eat and how much I want you eating at the same time every day, whatever that is. So influencing the circadian rhythm. So there's a lot of new research studies where they're controlling how many calories people are in the same amount of calories, but if they force it into a confined window, it changes this mTOR expression. And not just a defined window, but the same defined window every day. You hit on the head exactly. So if you're going to intermittent fast, great, then eat from, say, noon to 6 or two to 8. It doesn't matter, but just try to be consistent. Just like we should try to go to bed at the same time and wake up at the same time. You know, we hear a lot about toxic blue light. Well, when we eat and food in general, affects our circadian biology, we have molecular clocks in our gut and our muscle and our brain and our pancreas everywhere, food and trains that clock to. It's really interesting. I haven't heard that before. Is there a number of hours before going to bed that somebody should be cognizant of having their last meal? So eating earlier is generally better. So you don't, and it's tough to be social too, because here we are talking about food, but relationships are so key and you know when you go out to dinner, sometimes you're out to ten or 11 eating late. I generally advise people to kind of cut things off by 7 p.m., which can be tough for whatever. If the person didn't have any concerns about a social life, what would be the ideal window? I mean, me personally, I would say ten to four, 10 a.m. before. And it's controversial to talk about this because a lot of people are skipping breakfast and lunch and just having dinner. If that's working for you, keep doing it. I don't ever want someone to change what's working for them, just upon research that I tell them. But there are some research from university of I believe it's Arkansas, one in Alabama as well. That they're looking at ETF, which is early time restricted feeding. So if you look at this umbrella of intermittent fasting within that or different protocols, alternate day fasting, the 5 two 16 8 fasting like you fast for 24, basically. 20 hours a day. Within that is this time restricted feeding bubble and they are having subjects eat earlier in the day. So they started eating at 8 and cutting off at two. And that was it and what they showed is there was a dramatic increase in autophagy just by doing that. Changes in hormones changes in glucose insulin. But we always think what if a topic is good, more is better, but if we think it overweight people, their fat cells have higher levels of autophagy occurring. It's a compensatory mechanism because if you were to, it sounds weird, but if you were to biopsy someone who's morbidly obese, and you look at their fat tissue, there's a lot of necrosis and like literally tissues are dying. There's a lot of immune cells. So if you didn't know anything about autophagy and you looked at adipocytes and obesity, you would think autophagy is bad because it's upregulated. And so I just want people to understand in certain cancers utilize autophagy upregulation to avert the immune system to help it. So it's interesting, so it's not this clear, some, it's good or bad. It's contextualized in tissue specific. And sometimes more is not better. So that a lot of people are doing, hey, I did a 24 hour fast. Let's just roll it out to 96 hours, 72 hours. What are your goals? Why are you doing this? Sometimes more is not better. Kellyanne petrucci, New York Times bestselling author, the bone broth diet. I want to live forever. That's the real truth. It's probably a long shot, but anything that I can do to feel better perform better look better. I'm certainly going to be down with. So what is what are the lifestyle changes that somebody should make if they really want to look good feel good for a very, very long time? Yeah, we see, we're seeing now longevity is really spiking. So what you feel is what so many people are feeling because we've been through so many one hit things. First it was fat. Oh, well, you know what? We don't want to eat eating fat. We're going to have you on all these other kind of fats. We're going to have you on vegetable and canola and sunflower and safflower. And we find out that these are so inflammatory, but by the time you put them in your cart, there are already rancid. That's interesting. I never hear people talk about that. So explain what is so problematic about those on the shelf. It's very simple. It's a very simple. The containers in which they're held. They are clear. A lot of them. And light gets through. Oxidizes the oil, and it becomes literally rancid and rancid oils mean inflammation. So when we're talking about aging, anti aging, all of that. That's one of the premier easy things. The basic premise of the choices that we can make is the oils that we use. We're going to go on to coconut oils, different kind of oils, healthier oils, Time Magazine had on their cover. Eat your butter. So we keep going through this corrections. And we did the same thing with sugars. Sweeteners, we can't do regular sugar. It's not good for us. So let's do the pink yellow and blue packets. Then it stop. Let's not do that. Let's go on to these type of sugars.
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"jason fung" Discussed on Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu
"You won't regret it. Yeah, let's talk about that. So carnivore diet. Pretty interesting. I hear a lot about people doing beef only, which is interesting. And so when my wife first started having crazy microbiome issues, basically unintentionally, she just was going towards what makes her feel okay. She gravitated towards a wildly predominantly beef diet. Are there people that have tried it that are saying, I can't do it with beef, but I can do it with chicken or organ meats or is there sort of variety in that or is beef the one that people consider the safest of the carnivore diets? I think that's where people are leaning, at least the conversations that I had. And I'm not that expert in this space. I thought it was a dumb thing. People could do whatever, because I had my head so wrapped around this whole microbiome story, and I thought, how are you going to get the fiber? How are we going to get the short chain fatty acids? All of this. But then I listened to the comments on my YouTube videos. I read direct messages on my Instagram and I'm just blown away through these people are lying or they're telling me the truth and I really believe them. Have you tried it? Personally, yeah, so I've been doing it for the past three months and now right now. Not only? So that's the thing where it's a little bit different. So we have backyard chickens, so we do eggs, turkey eggs, chicken eggs, chickens. Is that considered carnivore? Yeah, I think any animal product is considered carnival. Okay, interesting. What blood markers are you watching? Sleep, sleep scores, heart rate variability, body temperature, blood glucose and ketones. My hemoglobin A1C increased by 5 tenths of a point. So it went from freeze, which is surprising to me. Yeah, 4.8 to 5.3. But everything else, I mean iron ferritin increased, which I was probably expecting eating more red meat, things like that. You worried at all about cholesterol. No, because my triglycerides are historically low. That's the only one you worry about. Well, I worry about cholesterol when triglycerides and glucose and liver enzymes are out of whack. So your liver tends to take the brunt of metabolic burden first. It's a key metabolic activity hub. And so if your liver enzymes start to rise, your glucose is rising or hemoglobin A1C is rising, then in a triglycerides are increased, then I'm more concerned about what's going on with your LDL cholesterol. And your low HDL. But without that context, I'm not totally worried about it. And the thing that people don't really realize is like your body can convert protein via gluconeogenesis to glucose. There are certain cells and tissues, red blood cells, the neuron, various central nervous system cells within our brain that need absolutely unique glucose. They can't use fats or ketones. Protein can be bad converted as can liberating stored body fat. Body fat is you have your triglycerides triglyceride. On top of that is glycerol. And when you liberate that for free fatty acids to make ketones that glycerol gets converted to make glucose. There's a lot of people think you need to have carbs to raise glucose for obligate. Glucose utilizing cells, but that glycerol backbone gets shunted right into that cycle. So yeah, it's interesting Tom. I don't know what the solution is for people. Should they go carnivores? Should they not? I think if you have digestive issues, it's worth a shot. And it sounds so polarizing controversial. But you know, in functional medicine, we've been talking about this for a while. People like Jeff bland and Sid baker, Mark Hyman, an elimination diet, which was essentially just basically plain old white rice and lamb. That was it. That's almost carnivore in the sense. Obviously, if you overdo the white rice, you're going to negate some of that, but it was really eliminating all the variables that could affect the immune system. Man, I'm really interested in this. One, that's the kind of thing I like to eat. Like if you told me that I could have hamburger and eggs, I'm done. I don't need anything other than that. And because I don't struggle like I could eat a very what most people call boring diet just because it's the same thing over and over and over. I'd be very fine with that. Like you said 5 years ago, you'd give a very different answer, 5 years ago, I would have said, yes, in fact, for accidental period, probably of about 6 months. I was like, vegetables are unimportant. You don't need them. And I felt like money. I was absolutely fine. I would it was it a true carnivore diet. It must have been pretty fucking close. Like it would have been beef, eggs, cheese, probably some lettuce and pickles that would sneak in on burgers occasion, but obviously I don't eat the bun. I don't have ketchup or anything like that. So it would have been real, real close. Yeah, I mean, so the question is, you know, are you gonna make your microbiome more resilient or not? People should try various diets and see what works for them. And I think a lot of people get stuck in this regimented thing where and it can backfire on them too. They're carnivore. So then when berries come in season when people might watch this towards the end of summer, blueberries can be in full swing. Does that mean you totally avoid blueberries? Because there's, I believe, I'm not one of these people that think plants are bad. I think blueberries, the anthocyanidins and the bears and antioxidants have a lot of benefit to your microbiome into your body in general. But then when you start to identify that you're a carnivore or a keto or you're vegan, then you close yourself down a little bit. So I think in your case, you don't have any major health issues that I'm aware of. You know, that you've talked about. So I would just continue what you're doing, but maybe in the winter, probably the best time to go carnivore. I'm going to say fuck you. And I have one health issue and that is I'm dying.
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"jason fung" Discussed on Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu
"So every day, I'm fasting roughly 20 hours a day. But when I look at what the primary driver for me in terms of wanting to be open to something is to have an even better effect. So if somebody said, no, no, no, if you eat Twinkies, you're gonna feel even better. Oh, rad, then I'll try it. One, that sounds a lot more fun. And then two, you can see where you fall in something, but where do you live in terms of diet? Are you always keto? Are you sometimes keto? You've talked about seasonal eating. How do you structure your day to day living? It's an awesome question. I think everyone needs to think about what their unique goals are. So for me, trying to optimize brain function, that's just my primary goal. And then when I exercise, I want to optimize my physical performance. Like if I'm going to do a lot of volume, I will have carbohydrates. So I guess you could call it like a targeted cyclical ketogenic style diet. If I'm sitting here traveling, I've been sitting all day, I'm going to go on an airplane in an hour or two after this. You know, I don't need carbs for that. I don't need sweet potatoes. I don't eat butternut squash, so it's mostly a fasted low calorie type day. So yeah, I mean, my approach is just have the carbohydrate commensurate with the activity. So if you do not do it much activity, you probably don't need a lot of carbs. And so when I think about like managing the microbiome and trying to get as much diversity, I will eat things that regard like, let's say that I never worked out. I would still bring in things like berries or maybe even the occasional piece of fruit or something just to try to introduce as much variety as I can. I'm talking colors so that we're getting micronutrient variety as well, just making sure that I have a robust microbiome that has a lot of different diversity. Do you think that's bullshit? Does that make sense? If somebody doesn't have an increased need for carbohydrate, is there still a reason for diversity of microbiome to eat rice or vegetables or fruits or berries? It's a beautiful question. 5 years ago, I would have said absolutely. But that's why I was hesitant to even go key to in the first place. Did not a lot of research into how different foods and overall food diversity affects diversity here in our microbiome. And so we know that. I thought that was the most important thing. And some research out of UCLA recently showed that actually ketones may influence those different strains in eosinophilia, fecal bacterium. These are common strains that are kind of like these Keystone species that influence the diversity. And really, when we talk about when people are chasing and I understand where you're coming from. But so everyone understands the context. Why is microbiome diversity healthy? It translates into stability. Stability in any ecosystem is resilient. It can take little small hits. How do you circumvent this practically? I think it's unless you have an autoimmune disease unless you have severe gastrointestinal dysfunction when you have a berry or rosemary or Ginger. I think it's best to eat what's in season in your environment. Do I have a randomized placebo in the environment I live in or in the environment and that I came from? I think it's a combination of the two. I think if you can keep in mind your genetics and context but also your local environment, if we take your microbiome now and then put you in Africa, it's going to be different. Absolutely because the water, the bugs you're exposed to, the people you're in contact with. So but your genes are not going to change. So I think it's melding the two. I think you have to the only diet that humans could eat before the advent of electricity, gas, refrigeration, and so forth was what was available to them locally. And here we have, and I'm not picking on green juice or whatever, but let's say in January, where there's no vegetables growing and Wisconsin. You're having a celery juice because it's healthy. How healthy really is that? Because we know that hibernating animals, for example, their microbiome composition and diversity changes with the season. So is it the food? Is it the seasons? There's lungs for sure. There's a lot of crosstalk between our microbiome and our own tissues. And so their community communicating to us and we're communicating to them. And so I think getting back to the practical takeaway from this whole conversation is we need to understand the food that we eat is being absorbed by us, but it's being utilized and absorbed by those gut bacteria as well. And we need to, as many of your guests have talked about, keep that in mind because I think that relationship is fairly important and studies show that and we know that kids that get antibiotics in the first year of life tend to have more autoimmune and allergies and even obesity later. And just not being birthed through our mother's vagina as opposed to being delivered C section lack of breastfeeding there's so many different things, but you know, is the dearth or the lack of fiber going to negate the might health of the microbiome. Again, 5 years ago, when it said absolutely. Now I'm like, all these people are thriving on me only diets. You know, if we think the microbiome imbalances are triggering autoimmunity, yet these people are reversing autoimmunity through a meat only diet. Guys, I have to tell you srimu is ridiculously good. I can not get enough of this stuff. I'm telling you, it is freakishly good. It was first sent to me by my friends, ultra endurance athlete rich role in his wife, Julie. I told rich when he was on the podcast that srimu was the first vegan thing I had tried where I was like, goddamn. This is good. Srimu is delicious, high end artisanal plant based not cheese that has become a regular part of my diet. The wheels of cheese come in ten different flavors inspired by real cheeses like camembert, smoked Gouda, blue cheese, and mozzarella. It's great for snacks or for cooking.
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"jason fung" Discussed on Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu
"Muscle activity or excess brain activity would be through gluconeogenesis. You'd have to break down proteins in order to get that. So what happens is if you fast and exercise, you actually lose more weight, but more of its lean tissue. If you fast and rest, you mobilize prompt dominantly fat and specifically and preferentially visceral fat. So in addition to making sure a person is a good candidate for fasting with a history exam in lab, we also need to make sure they rastering fasting. Now, there's modified fasting when you take a certain amount of calories, therefore you have more glucose available, you're able to minimize gluconeogenesis. That's a different process. Water only fasting though needs to be done resting if you're going to maximize detox preserve lean tissue. And maximize fat loss. And that we've been able to prove now we actually done this and we've done before during after fasting 6 week follow-ups. We got the data. And so we can put a lot of the old wives tales to rest. That paper will be published later this year. And I think that will really make people aware of just why this rest, which is so confined to people trying to maximize weight loss is important with fasting. And you know, if the goal is to really detoxify the best way to do it is prep properly before fasting really important. People that try to say quit coffee at the same time they're going on a fast, really undermine themselves because the caffeine withdrawal is actually quite difficult. Fasting isn't so difficult. If you prep while all of a sudden fasting doesn't even look that hard. People go to cooking classes, they're interactive. They go down to the dining room, they interact with people, even on these long, fast, two, three, four, 5 weeks. And they do fine, but they are resting. And so resting in some ways is a little bit harder, but it's more effective. I say it's harder because you'll detox more. You'll feel worse. But we don't care how you feel. We care how well you get. So if you feel bad and fast doesn't bother me, as long as you get well, you'll totally forgive us. And so next time you fast, you want to make sure you rest during now, it doesn't mean you can't do some stretching. You can't do meditation. There's things you can do. But there are more passive. And then you look at how your recovery is post fasting, you'll find. It's really quite fabulous, because not only do you get rid of the inflammation in the joint pain and some of the chronic injuries. But then you recover quickly. And we're able to demonstrate that quantitatively now, as lean tissue recovers, fat continues to go down after fasting. So you're losing fat is losing fat, you continue to lose fat, even though you are regaining weight because glycogen, water fiber, and muscle, come back after fasting fat does not. What's interesting is you have two pounds of glycogen. So you know you're going to get that two pound back. You've got fiber that has to go back in the gut, unless you're eating an all meat diet, then there is no fiber. And there's also hydration. There's a physiological dehydration with fasting. Now, that's more when you're exercising. You dehydrate more. So it looks like you're losing more weight, but all you're doing is dehydrating. Why are you dealing with your drinking water? It doesn't matter if you're drinking water if it's you hold it in the cells. There's a physiological adaptation to fasting where there's a natural dehydration state. It's probably part of the conservation mechanism. There's a lot of weird things that happen very contrary intuitive during fasting. Like for example, you know, we talked about exercising increasing brain derived neurotrophic factor that preserves the brain and protects the nervous system. It also increases in fasting. You think about exercise, your vigorously active. Fasting, you're laying on your around and not doing much. They both are changing these same things in the same way. It's really, really non intuitive. But when we look at the science, if we look at the data and then we look at the clinical outcomes, it's really apparent. And now we're tracking people 30, 35 years. I've got people now that are in their 80s that we started off in their 50s. And they all say the same thing, including my mother, who at 92 had outlived all 50 of her lifelong friends. Every one of her friends was dead. She was alone, and she said, Alan, you need to warn your patients. If they're going to do this diet, make younger Friends. So I'm telling people, starting right now, make younger Friends. So when you're older and you're still around, you know, you'll have people to interact with. That, I mean, you know, still heartbreaking, but good problem to have. So talk to me about the longer duration fast. So I know that the longest fast is like 280 days or I mean, just something absolutely absurd. So I knew that it was physiologically possible, but I imagined it was more proportional to the amount of body fat that you have, but like somebody with a normal BMI, maybe we'll peg them at something like 15% body fat. How long can they fast? Water aren't. So a 155 pounds, 70 kilogram male. Could go 70 days. The problem is, once you get through fasting, you enter a process called starvation. And now once you enter starvation, there's a relatively short period of time, and then you die. We don't do that because it would really be bad for our outcome data. So we're very careful to avoid that. We've had 20,000 walking in 20,000 people walk out. We are experts at not letting people in our into starvation. The other thing with fasting, while we're talking about risks, is the refeeding period. If you have a long period of fasting and you refeed an appropriately, you can get a condition called refeeding syndrome, which can be fatal. It's a very serious problem where electrolyte balances and all kinds of stuff can occur. We've never seen that because we have a very specific refeeding protocol that's followed. And we refeed for a period of no less than half the length of the fast and the controlled setting. So it is important. You can also get a condition called post fasting edema. When you get off all the greasy salty processed crap that people are living on and you do a fast, all that gets flushed out of the body. If you then expose a person to very high concentrations of sodium, like in commercial soups or something like that. The body will suck that material and fluid up to protect itself from it and that can result in post fasting edema. If you do it slowly, you can get back to whatever your normal diet was without that problem. But it has to happen over a period of time. So there's a refeeding period that's important, particularly in this long-term fasting. In the three day, the 5 day fast for most people, that's not going to result in as much of it. If an issue, they may get a belly ache if they eat too much food, but they're not going to get that very serious consequences as you can see in very long-term fasting. Now, the other concern here is, of course, medications. Some medications you don't want to rapidly discontinue. Anticoagulant medication steroid medications, any psychotic medications. The rapid withdrawal of those medications can induce a very serious or life threatening response. Some medications you want to get off as soon as possible, but you don't want to be taking those medications during fasting. So medications that might not do that much damage feeding can be very serious fasting.
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"jason fung" Discussed on Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu
"Of cancer down the line. So both inflammation and hyperinsulinemia and new obesity, all of them are risk factors. And this is the important thing is that there's a lot of different things that can contribute to the risk of cancer. It's not just that if one is right then the other is wrong. Both are correct. So if you eat foods that are highly inflammatory and a lot of people feel that, for example, omega 6 seed oils, perhaps are in these big doses that we take, perhaps those are highly inflammatory. That even if it doesn't cause obesity, could be a factor because we know inflammation, chronic inflammation, can certainly do that. So both can be very important. Doctor Alan goldhammer, founder, true north health center. We would recommend there's two types of fasting. There's short term intermittent fasting, which we recommend people do every day. That everybody fast every day for between 12 and 16 hours, depending on what your target is. And that means that you don't eat at least three hours before you go to sleep. Hopefully going to sleep at a reasonable hour. And so that gives you 12 to 16 hours of fasting and 8 hour feeding window. We recommend that in that 8 hour feeding window that the whole natural food diet that you eat excludes all the chemicals in the processed foods and the other stuff. And in doing that, you get the quantity and quality of nutrients you need. And you give yourself a 16 hour period of fasting every day and cumulatively, that's thought to induce changes in stimulate factors that promote healing. It also helps minimize overeating. And so the net effect of that intermittent fasting, which virtually everybody can do safely on their own is something we recommend. And then periodically, we recommend people take a longer period of time to do water only fasting in our clinic, we fast people from 5 to 40 days. And so typically faster two, three, four weeks of time. That needs to be done in a medication. Not only for people that are obese, no, no, not at all. In fact, most of our patients, it's high blood pressure, diabetes, autoimmune diseases, lymphoma, and we have also healthy people that are just coming in for a shorter period of time like a week, the reason we talk about supervision in that regard is number one, not everybody's a good candidate for fasting. Some people should not be fasting. Well, if people have, for example, creating levels over two kidney function is inadequate, putting them on a fast could shut their kidneys down, resulting in kidney failure and death. If they have, I've never heard that, but why would your kidneys shut up? Because when you go on a fast you massively mobilize a detoxification response and the kidneys can only process so much material. And if you overload the kidneys, you end up with a kidney failure situation. And you've heard recently there's been people that have tried dry fasting and dry fasting, particularly puts a heavy load on the kidney. And there was a death associated with one of its proponents, just because you have to have a solute in order for the kidneys to function. You have to have a way of getting the material that's mobilized out of the system. Why does fasting trigger detoxification? Well, if you think about it when you're going on a fast, there's nothing for the body to do except mobilize its reserves. And in water fasting, particularly in a resting state, those reserves are predominantly fat. In fact, we've done a study recently at the true north health center where we've used a dexa scanner with software that allow us to do whole body composition. We've determined not only is mostly fat mobilized during water only fasting, but specifically in preferentially visceral fat. So a person might lose say, for example, 20% of their adipose tissue, but they'll lose 50, 60% of their visceral fat, which is really exciting, much faster than, for example, being on a low carbohydrate diet. In terms of the ratio of visceral fat mobilization to subcutaneous fat. And in that fat contains a lot of fat soluble materials. And it's where a lot of toxins are stored. When those fats are mobilized, you get an increasing load. PCBs dioxin pesticide residues, et cetera, all these fat soluble nutrients are rapidly mobilized, processed and eliminated, but you need to have the capacity to actually eliminate materials. And most of those metros are eliminated in the urine that's the blood being processed by the kidneys. And if you do a fat biopsy on any person, you'll find hundreds of different chemicals in various concentrations. And if you track back, how did those chemicals get in the body? Where did they come from? Obviously, if people take drugs, or they smoke, and they drink alcohol, and eat foods from the environment that are polluted. That's a potential source, but about 90% according to some researchers, got there from one behavior, and that's eating animal foods. Animals, biologically concentrate the toxins from their environment. So a calorie of animal food could have two to a thousand times the concentration of a given chemical compared to say a plant based food calorie. And so the consumption of large amounts of animal food, potentially exposed people to proportionally higher ratios of these materials. And it's also why people aren't very high animal food diets, often have a much more difficult time adapting to the fasting state initially because there's just literally more to process and eliminate. But it does. And so that's particular I might mention true of refined animal products, just like refined plant products have particular problems. So I think we need to be clear that it's actually these highly processed foods of any kind that seem to be the biggest sources of concentration. Of chemicals. It's not necessarily the brown rice that's the main problem it might be the rice syrup or it's the products that the highly concentrated products that result in the largest concentrations of materials and desirable
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"jason fung" Discussed on Impact Theory with Tom Bilyeu
"First few drugs of the sort of genetic paradigm were just amazing. So by the 2000s, we were like, we are going to cure cancer. So we did this whole human genome project. We said, all we need to do is map out all the genes, look at the cancers, map out those genes and see what's different. We're going to find one or two genetic mutations. We're going to find a drug to cure that one or two genetic mutations. Boom. We're going to cure cancer. And that was really what we thought at the time. It was a time of incredible promise. But it didn't work. That was like, if you look at the number of genetic treatments of cancer that really made a difference, you're talking maybe 5, right? In the last 40 years, 5 really good drugs. That's not a lot. And that's a long way from curing cancer. And the problem is when we went back, so they did the human genome project, and they did this cancer genome Atlas. Where they mapped out all these genes. They took 30,000 cancers mapped out the genes and said, what are the one or two critical genetic mutations? They didn't find one or two. Each cancer had like 50 or a hundred genetic mutations. And it was crazy because if you had a cancer clinic where one patient had lung cancers of patient a had lung cancer patient, B had lung cancer. Patient a's lung cancer had 50 mutations, patient B had 50 mutations, completely different mutations. So how are you going to treat this? You can't get 50 drugs for patient a and 50 completely new drugs for patient B it's just impossible, and that's why cancer treatment just sort of slowed to an absolute crawl. It was just a huge amount of disappointment. And that sort of spelled the end. It wasn't a random genetic mutation. So it wasn't that genes weren't mutated. It was, what is driving these mutations? And that sort of spawned this whole next paradigm shift to cancer paradigm three, which so few people talk about. And I don't understand why, because I find it endlessly fascinating. And what we were trying to do, we weren't trying to invalidate that these genetic mutations because clearly these genes had mutations. What we're trying to understand was, once again, try and get to that one level deeper of why, why are these genes mutating? And the totally fascinating answer that they came up with is that it was an evolutionary process, not a forward moving evolutionary process. It was a backwards evolutionary process to a more primitive form of ourselves, which was there from evolution. And what's fascinating is that if you look at pathologists, like the way that people who look under the microscope cells, that is exactly how they describe cancer cells, primitive, undifferentiated. I got to use an analogy or a metaphor in the book about a bear in a Tutu that I thought. Oh my God. Like it lets you conceptualize what this is so perfectly. Will you walk people through that? Yeah, and the point is that the cancer is actually a reversion to a more primitive form of a cell. And it's a sort of like if you have a wild bear. You can raise it and teach it to dance and where Tutu, but it's still a wild animal. So if you provoke it, they'll still kill you. It'll still wear a Tutu, but it'll still kill you. So it reverts to being that wild animal. And our cells are very much like that. So we came from unicellular organisms. So all of us sort of evolved from small bacteria and so on, fungi and so on. And under the right conditions, these cells actually undergo an evolutionary process back towards this more survivalist sort of primitive cell, a single celled organism, it's primary mandate is to compete with other cells. As opposed to a multicellular organism which is mandate is cooperation. And they are fundamentally against each other. As we move from cellular competition to cellular cooperation, we had to put on all these instructions on top, these genetic instructions to suppress all these competitive urges. When you cause genetic damage and strip away, you damage all these sort of controlling layers. What shines through is that competitive nature, and then the cells, the cancer cells actually behave exactly like unicellular organisms. And that's fascinating. Again, because our own immune system has actually identified these cells as foreign cells, like there are immune cells in our body that identify sort of self, our own cells versus other cells, so you avoid friendly fire. And cancer cells are actually identified, intrinsically, without being having seen them ever before, your own body will identify these as foreign cells. And destroy them. And that's really the reason why we don't have cancer sort of with 99% of the population. Because when you suppress the immune system, of course, you increase your risk significantly of developing these cancers because it's our immune system, which is playing that anti cancer role. So what you're trying to do is weed out. So our body has these very efficient anti cancer mechanisms where we go around and we're hunting down these sort of anarchists and stuff trying to these people who are not going to follow the rules, who are competitors, not cooperators. We try and hunt those down and we kill them so that we stay cancer free. It's only at the end of only with time when stuff falls through or with chronic damage, such as with lung cancer, for example, with smoking, that you're damaging the genome and those controlling organisms and allowing to shine through, which is called an activism, which explains a huge amount. This theory just explains so much about cancer because if you think about, say, let's take lung cancer again. So you have 50 mutations. In patient a, 50 different mutations in cancer in patient B, but their lung cancers look exactly the same under the microscope. How does that happen? If you have a hundred mutations, your cell should look completely different than this other guy's cell, yet they look precisely the same under the microscope. It's because it was the original sort of cell. You're simply stripping stuff away. You're not adding mutations on. You're actually stripping those away. And what's fascinating is that the genetic, so all this genetic stuff that we've done, when you look at the mutations of cancer, they're all concentrated in this area, which is the difference between unicellular and multicellular organisms. So they did these studies where they take all the genes and they say, let's rank them by evolutionary age. So these are the ancient genes these are the recent genes, and they put them on. And then they say, where are the cancer mutations? And they're all clustered right around the point between unicellular and multicellular organisms. I'm like, that is so interesting. So then, of course, the reason it's important is because now you have, if this is an evolutionary problem, if these are actually unicellular organisms, well, now we actually have ways to fight these unicellular organisms. That's our immune system. And that's led to this sort of explosion in interest in immunotherapy because we're not trying to kill cells with immunotherapy.
Talk Radio 1190 KFXR
"jason fung" Discussed on Talk Radio 1190 KFXR
"Is not coming from the food All you're doing is you're flipping the switch and think I'm going to take my energy from my fat stores. So that's perfect. Yeah, more energy. And at the same time you're burning off those fat stores that you didn't really want. If you're underweight, of course. Then, of course, there's a totally different story. But for those of us who are trying to lose weight, it's an extremely effective way to do it. And everybody who does. The fasting is always a little surprised at that. Because there's so many people who tell you the opposite. Looks like Oh, I have to eat because I have to work. It's like you're going to work better. If you don't eat right, right, your people say Oh, I have no, you know, I need my energy is like you're going to have more energy. You're just going to take it from those fat stores. And there's nothing wrong with it, because that's what our body is able to do is able to go back and forth between our you know, using the energy and our food and the energy that we stored on our body. Right, so just use it. It's energy for you both the sugar and the fat. That's just energy. So you need to use it. If you eat. You're not going to use it. You're going to store it. You're going to make that problem worse. So there's so many benefits of the fast thing that people had realized because the sort of conventional wisdom had actually been complete opposite even though we worked out what happens when we don't eat like 80 years ago. We've known about the increase in north adrenaline and increasing growth hormone growth hormone goes way up when you don't eat and that's going to help maintain your lien. Math is going to help maintain your muscle map. And so on. And that's why bodybuilders for example, as you mentioned Brad Pilon, uh, have actually been sort of at the forefront of saying, Hey, this is actually a way to go. Um, you know, it's actually going to help with your energy with your concentration and even with things like muscle growth. So I my urologist Mohit. Karen, who is is a dear friend has been all over your writing since you started. He's a pretty prominent doctor here in Houston. And he's the one that had first told me about intermittent fasting and told me to read your book, and it took me a while to kind of get around to actually doing it. I want to talk coming up only have about a minute here, but I want to talk about your practice. And where you can you stay with me. Okay, Great. I want to talk about your practice. And obviously you were mostly dealing with kidney patients. Has that transitioned over to more of a wellness practice. And then we've got a series of questions from a lot of listeners. That are the ones I hear all the time. Should I put cream in my coffee? And I feel like I could answer some of these for you because they're all segments out of, uh, Out of your book. But I will ask you to answer those and we'll record during the break as well. So I maximize your time. I'd love for you to stay with me Another 30 minutes. I don't know if you can do that, but hang tight right now. Dr. Jason Fung is our guest. The book I read was life in the fasting lane that I received from, um, the recommendation of which I received from my doctor with Cara and from Sandy Petersen. Some of y'all remember several years ago, Sandy lost a lot of weight. We will continue our conversation with Dr Jason Fung. Coming up, Michael Barry show Ran out of propane. No need to drive to the store when you can get propane delivery straight to your door with Sanchez c y N c. H Cinch brings the tanks to you. It's easy and convenient. Propane.
600 WREC
"jason fung" Discussed on 600 WREC
"Is not coming from the food All you're doing is you're flipping the switch and think I'm going to take my energy from my fat stores. So that's perfect. Yeah, more energy. And at the same time you're burning off those fat stores that you didn't really want. If you're underweight, of course. Then, of course, there's a totally different story. But for those of us who are trying to lose weight, it's an extremely effective way to do it. And everybody who does. The fasting is always a little surprised at that. Because there's so many people who tell you the opposite. Looks like Oh, I have to eat because I have to work. It's like they're going to work better. If you don't eat right, right, your people say Oh, I have no, you know, I need my energy is like you're going to have more energy. You're just going to take it from those fat stores. And there's nothing wrong with it, because that's what our body is able to do is able to go back and forth between our you know, using the energy and our food and the energy that we've stored on our body. Right, so just use it. It's energy for use both the sugar and the fat. That's just energy. So you need to use it. If you eat. You're not going to use it. You're going to store it, so you're going to make that problem worse. So you know, there's so many benefits of the fast thing that people had realized because the sort of conventional wisdom had actually been complete opposite even though we worked out what happens when we don't eat like 80 years ago we've known about the the increase in north adrenaline and increasing growth hormone growth hormone goes way up when you don't eat. And that's going to help maintain your lien. Math is going to help maintain your muscle map and so on. And that's why bodybuilders for example, as you mentioned Brad Pilon, uh, have actually been sort of at the forefront of saying, Hey, this is actually a way to go. Um, you know, it's actually going to help with your energy with your concentration and even with things like muscle growth. So I my urologist Mohit. Karen, who is is a dear friend has been all over your writing since you started. He's a pretty prominent doctor here in Houston. And he's the one that had first told me about intermittent fasting and told me to read your book, and it took me a while to kind of get around to actually doing it. I want to talk coming up only have about a minute here, but I want to talk about your practice. And where you can you stay with me. Yeah. Okay. Great. I want to talk about your practice. And obviously you were mostly dealing with kidney patients. Has that transitioned over to more of a wellness practice. And then we've got a series of questions from a lot of listeners that are the ones I hear all the time. Should I put cream in my coffee? And I feel like I could answer some of these for you because they're all segments out of, uh out of your book. But I will ask you to answer those and we'll record during the break as well. So I maximize your time. I'd love for you to stay with me Another 30 minutes. I don't know if you can do that, but hang tight right now. Dr. Jason Fung is our guest. The book I read was life in the fasting lane that I received from, um, the recommendation of which I received from my doctor with Keira and from Sandy Petersen. Some of y'all remember several years ago, Sandy lost a lot of weight. We will continue our conversation with Dr Jason Fung. Coming up. Michael Berry show. Ran out of propane. No need to drive to the store when you can get propane delivery straight to your door with Sanchez c y N c. H Cinch brings the tanks to you. It's easy and convenient. Propane.
600 WREC
"jason fung" Discussed on 600 WREC
"Conditions where you need to grow, you need to make sure you get enough nutrients. Those are places where not going to go want to go very long. In fact, it doesn't mean you need to eat all the time. But, you know, going wrong is not recommended. The other major thing is if you're underweight, that is, if you don't have If your body mass index is, for example, less than 20, you know, And you know the body mass index about about 25 normal down below 18.5 is considered underway. If you don't have the body fat stores, and you shouldn't go that long, right? It's just logical that you shouldn't be fasting for long periods of time. But other than that, that's about it. Almost everybody else. Hand fast, because, remember our bodies have that ability to store energy. It's sort of like your refrigerator yet you put food in the fridge so that you don't have to go to the supermarket three times a day. Like that's the same thing as our body. Does. Our body put some of the food the food energy into body fat, So when you don't eat, it will just take some out. That's all. So the whole I ideas that most people can fight. That's what brought us to survive for thousands of years. Otherwise, we would never be able to survive. You know, a period where where we had no food available well, and you talk about in the book that when we were hunter gatherers, we didn't have food at the ready in the drive through. It was work. We ate more like animals of the wild, and I want to get to that in just a moment more with Dr Jason Fung coming up from Portland to Albany and all Eight cities in between. So why Michael Barry show is nationwide. Register.
The Model Health Show
"jason fung" Discussed on The Model Health Show
"You gave the struck to everybody and only twenty percent of people had this mutation while you're treating eighty percent of people that are not going to benefit so in another huge advance. They said well what we're gonna do as a test to see if you have this mutation in if you have this mutation then you give the drop. So that's great because you're got this expensive drug with lots of side effects but you're only giving it to those people who are going to benefit so that ushered in the sort of era and the promise of personalized medicine. That is the drug that we give person a is going to be different than the drug. We give person be based on a test that we can do to see what kind of breast cancer they had so not only genetic treatment which was huge but personalized medicines with personalized targeted medicine. So by the two thousands. We had these two drugs now is like it like we were like we are on the verge of during cancer boys like that is how optimistic we were. We thought this was just going to be done. So by the two thousand we started talking about the human genome project in. So the idea was you'd map the genes of a full human being. I remember at the time. I mean it took like five six years. It took hundreds of millions of dollars. I mean i think you could get it done in twenty four hours right today right but at the time that took a long time to do this and in two thousand and sort of finish the human genome project finished. He said okay. Well that's it. All you have to do is look for this type of cancer so breast cancer. You have these three or four mutations find the drugs colon cancer. Find these two or three mutations find. The drugs Them and you're going to cure every single type of cancer. That's that's how that's what we thought. That's what really believes. We're on the precipice of cancer. Free world Unfortunately it didn't turn out that way That is those first sioux drugs. Were still the best. They're basically you know if you look at the number of drugs that came after that that were that successful. I don't know if we've replicated sense. So in that sort of forty years of the genetic paradigm. We had two great drugs and then now like if you look at the number of drugs that have made a significant difference. Probably like you could probably count on one hand. That's not a lot of progress and if you look at what happened to that story of. Hey cancer is this one or two or three genetic mutations in in a critical area of the gene and that's causing it we fix it done. It didn't work out because as we started to get the technology did this cancer genome atlas which was a big project. So instead of mapping the genes of one human we mapped thirty three thousand cancer samples and we did the full genome of all these cancers. And then we're going gonna take all the colon cancers matching and say okay. These are three or four critical genes.
The Model Health Show
"jason fung" Discussed on The Model Health Show
"That's because you're paradigm wave view. Cancer is that it's a selva grows too much. It doesn't tell you anything about why it's growing too much but it's a valid way and of course. It was a huge advance. So if you look at the chemotherapy through cancer there was very little treatment before the nineteen forties restarted. Develop these chemotherapy drugs. How you know in the forties and fifties and sixties and then the the major advance combining these the the chemotherapies different regiments and. Now you start to say okay. Let's use this plus this this this or this and then will give it three weeks. Do it again and then do this and do this so it was just a way to sort of refine our our way of killing cells would say oh. Let's do surgery then chemo. Or than surgery plus radiation less And we did all these trials and there's a huge success for its time so it took cancer from sort of no treatment to some very successful treatments lauded the pediatric cancers example Very high cure rates but the the the main cancers that affect people the things like breast cancer colorectal cancer unfortunately didn't do as well but a huge advance. And that took us up to about the sixties and seventies and The next big sort of paradigm shift in cancer came with the advent of the genetics revolution. So we started to understand that. Hey the genes in ourselves actually our what's telling us sales to grow or to not grow so if you have a genetic mutation in a cell and that gene mutation is a critical area that affects outgrowth. Will you could get excessive south grow so this paradigm that these are genetic mutations genetic changes which are affecting growth doesn't invalidate the first paradigm. It's merely trying to build on it. That is we. We accept that cancer cell that grows too much. Why is it bryant too much. That's the next great paradigm shift. It's the genetic mutation that causes the celtic in march. So you're not trying to say oh. That was wrong in. This is right which was trying to say okay. Let's expand our understanding. And that's what science does best so we started to find these genetic mutations and they discovered in the early seventies eighties These off go jeans so these are genes that control growth and sure enough when you started to look at cancer cell. You can find these genetic mutations so that was a huge huge validation of this genetic paradigm of cancer. And that's sort of where we've been from the sort of sixty seventies all the way to the two thousand ten's so the first few treatments were super super successful so there's two drugs. One called matinee for a type of leukemia in another called trans-tasman lab. Which is her sefton for breast cancer and these were great drugs because they were not drugs. That were designed to kill cells. So it's not like chemotherapy. Oh we tested and killed a lot of south. This was a drug that was designed to fix those genetic mutations so in matinee which was the first sort of great drug identity identified the problem genetically and this was a drug that fixed it and when it did so it completely changed. The life of these people like it was practically current like it went from people went from sort of a death sentence to a relatively normal life. With this hill. it was just incredible So in time magazine had it on. Its cover those how important this was Her septum which has stressed hashmat breast cancer was similarly just a fantastic drug. It was so they identified these mutations called her to new mutations and they recognize that not all breast cancers had this mutation so.
The Ultimate Health Podcast
Interview With Dr. Jason Fung
"Jason. Welcome back to the podcast. It's great to have you on paul. Thanks for having great to be here. We're gonna have a great discussion today. I really loved the new book. The cancer code. And i gotta admit when i dug into the book. It was really what i expected. I was thinking would be more along the lines of fasting. How that could help prevent maybe treat cancer given your background fasting but it was so much more than that. I mean that would have been a great book but this goes really deep into cancer and the evolution of our thinking of cancer over so many years so congrats. I really enjoyed this. Oh thank you very much. And i think that's sort of when i started looking at the issue of cancer. That was sort of how i got into it. Which is why you know most people. I would think think it's going to be about all about sort of fasting and nutrition and cancer but as done sort of deeper into the topic of cancer. There's just so much else going on because clearly cancer is a much more. Broad problem than just attrition because we know things like smoking for example has nothing to do with nutrition. What you eat if you smoke your risk of cancer just goes way way up saying with the best for example. You've exposed as fast as it doesn't really matter what you eat. You're you're great risk of developing a museum which is the type of lung cancer. So that's sort of while it was sort of how got into it as it developed as looking through it more became More and more the question which is never really answered. I think that is really important. Is the sort of how we think about what this problem really is. That is what is cancer. And that's i think one of the greatest remaining medical mysteries because most of these other diseases that we face we sort of know what's causing that. So even when we get a new virus like poof nineteen for example within a few months. We've got this virus like look you know it's still kicking our bod but we've sequenced. We figured it out. It's this is the virus. This is the sequence you know. The dna sequence. This is how it gets in. We've said okay it's the ace two receptors. You know you get at the site of storms. We know so much about it. Even within six months of this sort of brand new disease coming up which has greatest fascinating. Yeah something like hiv. For example it took us years to figure out the actual virus going from age hiv to sort of treatment whereas now you know thirty forty years down the line. We figured out what this virus looks like. We figured out know where detaches we figure so much. Stop so quickly but the problem is that with cancer. What is this disease. Such a strange disease because it's a common disease. It's the second biggest killer of americans yet. If you were to ask the question of what is this disease. People have no idea. Most experts have no idea like you ask the american cancer society and it says well. It's a disease of genetic mutations and that's not really correct because if it was simply a matter of genetics that is You know just bad luck genetically then. Why does environment play such a huge role in this genetic disease. That is if you have a disease. Such as cystic fibrosis sickle cell anemia. All these genetic diseases they passed on sort of mother to child or they have a significantly higher risk in we can identify the genes that are associated with it on the other hand. It doesn't matter if you're japanese if you're african if occasion If you smoke you're much more likely to get lung cancer. So it's not a genetic disease in that sense yet. People have been saying it's genetic disease donate disease and the problem with that. Is that if you don't understand what causes it. Your research sort of goes in the wrong direction that is looking for these genetic mutations and they progress in cancer has really slowed to a halt. Like if you think about how many genetic sort of tours for cancer we have. It's very very few the number of medications that makes a difference to cancer. You can count on one hand in most of those were developed in the early part of the sort of late nineties early two thousands rates with that was twenty years ago and whereas all these great genetic cures for cancer. We just don't see them in because it's not nearly a genetic disease and we have to sort of understand further and this is this is really an exploration of how the way we think about cancer has changed over the last little bit because there's been a huge paradigm shift from being a genetic disease tomorrow logical evolutionary disease which has huge implications for treatment.
Dr. Jockers Functional Nutrition
Fasting Strategies for Weight Loss & Metabolism with Dr. Jason Fung
"Walk everybody to fasting. Transformation summit or rear uncovering agent inexpensive powerful healing strategy. Known mankind fasting. I'm your host. Dr david joggers. And today we're gonna talk about alternate day. Fasting strategies for chronic disease brought in one of the top experts. He's actually got to bestselling books where he really goes into detail on fasting. He's all over youtube band. You could find him. You just type in dr jason on youtube. You'll see all these amazing nydia his and brought him on today to talk about alternate day fasting in really go into a little bit more the history of fasting as well so dr. Jason fung is a canadian nephrologist which is basically a kidney specialist. Dr fund graduated from the university of toronto and completed his residency at the university of california los angeles. He lives and works in toronto canada where he co founded the intensive dietary management grants is a world leading expert on intermittent fasting and low carb Treating people with type two diabetes and is the author of the bestseller the obesity code and the complete guide. Fasting is high near the use of therapy Sassoon for weight loss and type two diabetes reversal in his. Ibm clinic and you can find his website ibm program that's all one word idea. Program dot com ad also featured on the diet. Dr dot com. And so dr jason. Thanks so much for being on the vast transformation summit with us. Thanks for having me great to be here absolutely and sought curious in how nephrologist how you really got involved with. Sassine will begin west. Well the the most common reason for kidney failure is type two diabetes and the thing about type two diabetes. It's really a reversible disease but it's not taking drugs that really reverses the disease if you take drugs if you take insulin really. You're not gonna get a lot better. In fact you just wind up taking them sort of year after year and every year you go to the doctor you get more and more drugs however Everybody already knows that if you lose weight that type two diabetes almost always goes away so if you have a friend who loses way you can almost bet your bottom dollar that diabetes will get better or go away so it's not a chronic and progressive disease like we've been told israeli irreversible disease but you've got to focus on what's important which is not giving drugs which is you know using the diet to effect weight loss. That's really where i started. So i became very interested in the question of weight loss and look at it from sort of physiologic standpoint. Because the thing about it is that we lost. There's all this Talk like this you know. No shortage of oxen talk about weight loss and how to lose weight. Big business weight watchers and jenny craig. And all that sorta stuff and they're all focused. I think on some things sort of not completely relevant. Which is the the calories there. They all talk about calories calories calories but when you look at it from physiologic stent white The body doesn't count calories it has no calorie receptors. Doesn't know how many calories you're eating so it's like if you're taking all this care to count the number of calories in your body doesn't really care about it at all then. Why do you think you're going to make a difference. You want the body to do something and you think restricting the number of calories does it with the body has no idea what you're talking about like you're talking to different languages so it doesn't it doesn't work and that's where i really got interested in the Sort of notion and it's really about hormones because the body responds to hormones are whole body works on hormones that is You know if you're hot then you sweat if you're cold than you. You know shiver and so on but all affected by hormones and our responses in this case in most cases of weight. It's insulin and one of the ways to really reduce the fun is to use something. Like fasting in intermittent
Broken Brain with Dhru Purohit
The New Science of Why We Get Cancer with Dr. Jason Fung
"Dr fong welcome to the broken brain. Podcast thanks for having me here. I'm really excited. Many of our listeners. Know that my my family like a lot of families out there has been touched by cancer. Mom few years ago about ten years ago was diagnosed with breast cancer had aunts that have been also diagnosed with breast cancer and my grandfather passed away of cancer bone cancer. That was there so. I think i'm representative of a lot of people who have been through this journey supporting family members and are just curious not only for their own health and their families south but curious about what is this thing and i want to first start off by saying you know your books and the way that you approach writing. I really appreciate because you're taking a premise and idea that people seem to hold a true. And you're bringing new contrarian thinking we used to think of fasting as being this restrictive thing potentially dangerous and you highlighted the research around that field. That helped us understood. That fasting is actually central to healing inside of our body with things like diabetes and other diseases. And you're doing it again with cancer by questioning the basic premise. And i want to pull a quote from your book to start off the conversation. Which is you say and you start off in the book you say the most pressing question cancer. Research is the most lucid question. What is cancer. So can we start off there because it's still a question that we're asking today. Which is what exactly is cancer. Yeah that's sort of the most important thing is understan- disease you really have to understand what it is like a causes et what the disease is lily for the of the common Diseases cancer stands virtually alone because we had no idea what this disease actually so you look at other diseases like cove it or you know infections. We've identified viruses. We've identified bacteria. We've figured out fungi. And so these are external invaders for heart disease and stuff. These are you know. Blockages in our blood vessels which starved the heart. Or the brain of blood to get heart attacks or strokes so we sort of understand what the disease how it develops in that kind of thing But for cancer sort of a very very strange disease. So it's it's unlike any other disease we've ever face is not a faster. Disease like heart disease is not an external invasion like bacteria or viruses You know it's not a you know stones and stuff. There's all these other diseases. But what is this strange disease and it's not that it's one of these sort of rare. It's unfortunately extremely comments. Lifetime risk of cancer is somewhere around one ten. And it's gonna you know affect everybody's life in that if you don't get it you will know people who will get it almost. Everybody does but we don't know what this is. This is the whole sort of discussion in the book is. What is this disease. Because it's a disease where the you have a normal sal which is part of your own body as it's derived from your own body and for some reason this normal cell he breaks off and becomes cancerous to the point where it can kill you and it kills of course many many fullest the second killer of people so our concept of what this disease actually is has been changing so you know it's changed throughout history really even in the last ten years. There's been this massive change in the way that we look at disease in this what. I call the paradigms of cancer that is you know not arguing about. Oh this you know this is how to treat cancer like we've done lots of studies on you know. Use this drug. The of these drugs in combination with surgery. Chemotherapy and radiation. You put him in this sort of you can treat cancer. I'm not disputing any of that. But in the end it doesn't help the answer. The question of what is if you want understand what it is then you have to start a starts from beginning. Go through it on say. What is this disease. That's where we really made a bata progress within the last sort of fifteen twenty years and most people haven't even really appreciate that. And that's what i wanted to bring forward. Is that sort of recent research and bring it to the people so they at least understand what this disease is. That data is affecting so many people
The Ultimate Health Podcast
Why You Should Stop Snacking And Start Fasting
"Hello Jason. Welcome to the PODCAST. Thanks for having me on. We're GONNA have a great chat I. Loved Your Latest Book that you co wrote with eve and Meghan, and this is titled Life in the Fast Lane. I'm curious to start. How does somebody WHO's a kidney specialists get? So interested in fasting as a subject yeah. That's a great question I think that what happened is that as? A kidney specialists, what I do is I see a lot of type two diabetics and as we've had this sort of increasing obesity epidemic since the nineteen seventies that sort of was followed by an epidemic of type two diabetes starting in the late nineteen eighties, nineteen nineties, and then type two diabetes is actually far and away the most common cause of kidney disease. So as you know we went into the two, thousand, two, thousand ten we started to see much more and more of type two diabetes related kidney disease. So I actually encountered it quite a bit and as it became more and more important part of my practice I started to think about weight loss because the entire way that we treat you know. Disease is sort of backwards that is if you look at type two diabetes related kidney disease, for example, we spend a lot of money and effort trying to design drugs and dialysis and all that sort of stuff. However, the actual treatment doesn't make sense because we have kidney disease from type two diabetes while the answers to how to get rid of it is. Telling you right there if you have if you don't have type two diabetes, then you can't get diabetic related disease and if you lose weight year type two diabetes will get better. So the real answer to this whole problem lies in getting to the root cause, which is the weight. If you lose weight, then you don't get the type two diabetes. You don't get the kidney disease and that's really the only good way to treat the disease yet as a medical profession nobody was interested. In weight loss and to a large extent nobis really interested. We started gave up this entire concept which is so important. So fundamental to human health because this is what we face in North America today, lot of problems of of touchy diabetes and obesity, and we gave it up to like you know weight watchers, Jenny Craig and all those sorts of things it's like that's fine but it's really an important subject. So that's when I started to look at the question of weight loss and When I looked at it was clear that there wasn't a lot of really good thinking in the area. The entire field was dominated by sort of calories in calories out theory that is you know we've all heard this before you know it's just a matter of eating fewer calories and exercising more like if you actually think about it for a little bit, it actually makes very little sense that is you know it's a very sort of simplistic argument because the question is not whether people are eating more calories or burning less calories. The question is sort of wire the eating mark how And why are they not burn as many calories and it turns out that the real answer to why we're gaining weight is more likely related to our hormones. Then the number of calories were eating as an example, you can eat two different foods of the same. The same number calories. So you could eat broccoli or you could drink Soda Strictly Soda. Well, it's very easy to gain weight if you're drinking soda. But almost nobody gained weight eating Broccoli. So the point is that for two foods that are the same calories they're completely different in the minute you put it in your mouth. The hormonal response to those two foods is completely and utterly different. So if the hormones different the hormonal instructions that we deliver to our body or going to be completely different. So a simple example as tidy if you drink sugary soda, there's almost no sitadi signalling. You don't feel full from drinking sugary soda yet if you eat a large number of calories of Broccoli or steak or any sort of real. Natural food you will get full. So that's a simple example of how the body responds to these calories to foods of equal calories but totally different response from our bodies, and therefore what's important is not just the number of calories that this sort of hormonal response and that's you know that's what I talk about. A lot of is this sort of trying to get to the root cause of what causes weight gain rather than this, very, very simplistic sort of calories in calories out model which to be honest hasn't really helped anybody that is it's in the standard sort of advice for. Doctors and Dietitians everybody to count your calories yet it almost helps nobody. So you know here we have a treatment which is counting calories and doing calorie restricted diets, which has a failure rate's probably on the order of ninety nine percent. So it's like why would that be standard treatment if the failure rates like ninety, nine percent I, it's not just my opinion you see it in the numbers like the numbers don't lie there's more and more obesity out there people try to lose weight they count their calories and they don't lose weight. So it's not a very good strategy from all sorts of from all angles