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Line Creek Brewing Co. celebrates Year One

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43:50 min | 1 year ago

Line Creek Brewing Co. celebrates Year One

"This episode and every episode the beer guy's radio show is brought to you by ironmonger brewing visit ironmonger at their taproom in marietta georgia or online at ironmonger brewing dot com. It opened coming up tab. Grab a seat and pour a pint. It's time for the beer guy's radio show or free beer brewery dedicated to the art it science and enjoyment of craft beer yeah what would be a we got now. Here are your host tim dennis and brian hewitt and welcome to the beer guys regular show broadcasting from line wound up today. We are in peachtree city georgia. We're down here for their first anniversary history party. Having a good time i am tim dennis in with me as always is my good friend. Inco's brian hewitt hates him so joining us today. We've got paul kostic. We've got jason carroll and we've got alex. No so policy co founder jason is the head brewer and alex no is the assistant bursts slash head cellarman. How you doing guys awesome thank you. We thank you for joining us today. We appreciate you having down here this a lively event. We're having a really good time here. So we talked to you guys a little little over a year ago right year and a half ish yes so there is an event called the atlantic cascalle tasting and our tradition is that the atlantic cascal taste talked to three or four of the burris that are coming up within our state of georgia throughout the year and in that time you guys were in the planning stage coming along there and <hes> we hadji agit join us to talk about what was coming up so we've made it through the soon to be to be an open and year-old the party here today right ah pretty quickly yeah absolutely and pretty good here. I mean we started off with you know nobody the use of some rooms and whatnot and all of a sudden we work in a casserole dish we had and no word decent w._p._a.'s and accelerators that were super super photo. Just go right absolutely that's. That's a year blazin. I know right and actually the ak- thing was over a year so it's been more than a year. It hasn't like it's more than a year and is blown by. It seems like yesterday talking. I think it was february. January or february. Twenty seventeen. Yeah moved over here october. Eighteen months ago aged about ten years so the rhine vision you probably have i mean you're just back there brewin- beer flowing along and paul deal with it right ticket wien sort of we've certainly come a long way. We learned learned a a great amount eighteen months. Jason was really the only one that came from the beer industry. I was in healthcare and my pants various other marinas. We had learning a steep learning curve that man. We're in a great rhythm now with jason's leadership with judge by the crowd here today very popular down here impeach tree city georgia right yeah. We're building our only kind of following <hes> that was always on premise from day. One is to support the community. Let's get the community behind us. Serve them. <hes> let's make biz will appeal to them and also folks maybe more focus than try and tap into those atlanta patrons that wanna wanna come down for the barrel aged sounds ultimately were community brewery the coolest regions to expand right how was gonna follow up with that because it sounded like he wanted he was saying that he's opening up for the community. I was wondering was the community here waiting for craft beer or was it a matter of you needed to convert them over to craft beer i. I think there's been a mixture for sure. A lot of folks in this county coweta county mock at the been buying for a brewery odyssey esa five was the big kicker in us opening our doors that as soon as we announced on facebook and social media by like jason october twenty seventeen the sponsors overwhelming we knew we were onto something something when you have a loyal following and we just have to execute net to make the right did the right to sell it see and taverns together. We've done a great job but stuff off guys awesome. We're going to get into a lot more about your barrier taproom here soon number. I normally this part of the show. We talk a little bit about what we've done and recently we've talked talked about our twitter poll now. We're taking this on the weekend. We're out here for their anniversary party. Our twitter poll is still going on at this time going strong. Yes we <hes> we are bringing up a topic topic that we actually talked about on last week. Show the quake yeast been a hot topic here recently so we're getting people's thoughts on those. We've had some good discussion on twitter so i'm curious to see how that wraps up what we get out of jason. Have you messed with quite yet though okay yeah we've we've just been. We've really been diving into it here the last couple of weeks. I've had a few beers brewed with it but i'd never really looked into it that much but it sounds like pretty interesting stuff. It seems like a trend. That's really taking off in the u._s. In the past month or so or maybe a little bit longer than that yeah. I know it's been a a year ago that i've had you know the beers breweries and stuff all over it. Academia brewing company is quite so yeah. We've had a few. I i am kind of basing that a little bit off of looking at the news in suddenly that went from being almost no articles about it to being like three or four and a week or so some of that i think paul you and i were talking about that a little bit earlier the confirmation bias like when you start paying attention to something then you notice it everywhere. You know like you notice. How many people that drive the same car as do you. Do you get a new car and you see them everywhere why everybody's got one of those yeah we told you earlier. I personally have not heard of this east. Jason is a creative creative beasts by nature and i know if you tell us a little bit about the properties this eased and what it can do is as it goes in. We may set jason off on a on the run news on attention the quest it's a side quest. That's a level up tim. Usually we will talk about the beer's of the week. I think we know what they are. But what are they crack open a cold wine. It's the truck in tap fear of the week craft beer and food trucks in downtown woodstock truck and chat dot com you know i know that we are going to sample jason all guys. I'm gonna lead to you again. I i think going to sample through your anniversary beers while we're talking right and we've been up before the show today. We've drank through quite a few enjoyed your pills ner in afraid of no goza. I had one tenacious be little today's be there right so so we groomed in paris so as a lot of us do and we asia in woodford reserve barrows nice it wants and so from my experience three months three six is solid the baroness fresh. You're really good place so for a first anniversary. We decided to take some bare of those barrels maturity into one of our play <music> this fees will did you decided to make three variants of severe so the imperial so kim like nine a half percent okay well. What can we do to make even more interest so we had some trials. <music> of sony appears so few months ago. We were successful with okay well. Let's with that so we added some tossed marshmallow destructive one some of the parts you're saying back then eventually some more <hes> <hes> so we have a national novak's toes expo to the coffee vacs maple evo bacon. I'm coffee is three variants severe remorse or no the to march maple bacon coffee stoute's vanilla. These are a lot of my favorite things all all into barrels. There's never such thing as too much vanilla and always trying to so my whole joke back in hopes this is that i love i mean i do think we should be in everything far more than enough so addicts hair which the system system for he is the door slash taster. He'll go in lingo. Hey he's the voice of reason. It's what you're saying. You crazy with things was like hold on hold on or is it the other way around we pick yeah. Here's the thing when when when we put manila lane i know we're going to put this much. The jason is gonna want this. Yes so it's a balance between where we're at and we're jason wants to be. We just kind of meet in the middle in the middle there yeah how we can you taste. The bears goes along so it's not just me or is it grew out of the the team effort good stuff guys well. You're listening to the beer guy's radio show. We do need to take a break but we'll be back very soon to talk more with lying creek. Brewing company is career restaurant pouring all jacked up. Your foundation needs to be protected from heat chemicals and other contaminants at the same time you wanna make sure it's slip resistant. Clean up your messes. S.'s with soap and water you know who to call res- we've been manufacturing poured in place for since two thousand and two and we've got solution to fit any facilities needs go and visit our website site at raised dot net. That's r. e. 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Let's get back to our talk with line mine creek brewing company guys as we mentioned in the first segment we are here to celebrate your first anniversary party so alex i think we i i think we did all the talking in the first segment man. We're going to ask you a question now. Let's shoot for it so we are here for your first anniversary party. What's in store for the extravaganza today so we have three bourbon barrel aged beers that we pulled out the same barrels and we just decided to do three different variations on those bourbon barrel aged beers <hes>. We have a toasted marshmallow vanilla. We also have a triple coffee vanilla and then we have a maple apl bacon vanilla coffee so they're all three the same in there. Just kinda balanced based on you know what flavors we want to be predominant in those ios beers. You know we kind of just went in there based on taste in carbonation level and all that good stuff and over twenty years total on tap today right. It's one hundred years <hes> <hes> we got a couple of weird weird things on we've done a catalina brian mixer which is a seaweed sour. It's kinda funky. It's it's one of my first. I commercial beers. I've done the nation's be which is a blueberry cezanne in this on a follow up to that wait a minute. Do you have tenacious be and the catalina mixer here. Is that right both on the same day yeah. I'm not shy about that. So is one of those things you know now. I i grew up in the northeast and massachusetts so seaweed is one of those things that brings back childhood memories for me so when it came time to eh to come up with my second beer after today's did so well in the taproom that i wanted to do something i've never worked with before kind of with the same it's on right so seaweed is one of those things i've never ever thought about. I don't know if there's ever ever tried but yeah it was one of those things we brutus our and then we dose star seaweed in their kind of made it a little bit more sour a little bit funky little bit salty weird what what it turned out really really well earthy. All of that of the does that come through in the baked takes the key to the next okay yeah. It's one of those things you burping when you got a little bit of low tide in there with this which is what you're looking for exactly probably hair. That was sushi. Perhaps exactly it's anything kind of fishy your weird like that yeah it would go really nice with more of the salty <unk> bringing us in really proud of it and honestly i think jason i think paul i think everyone at lyon creek. Forgive me the opportunity to brew beer and it turned out really well. I'm really proud of that right so basically everything's got brewed works so i mean that's a good complement three three right now. We're three three. That's that's kinda hit a lemon basil. I in the middle of those shows okay. It's fun. It's fun us all all those spices and stuff. I had an idea we've talked about the quite keys right and i thought about doing one because i think it's the voss strain of quite give citrus citrus notes <hes> pretty strong citrus notes so i thought about doing like a farmhouse l. with a quiet and some citrus editions and camomile. That sounds pretty taste. Yeah i could mess with that. Yeah yeah now paul. I'm gonna ask this when to you so we are a year in eighteen months. Since we talked to you the first time about your brewery absolutely everything has gone exactly as planned since then correct absolutely -lutely not one for the second second. It's drinking out of a fire hose any a lot of breweries opening in the last year in georgia and so they could testify to that now speaking to georgia beer in the numbers that are opening. I will say this is a moving moving target but one of the things that i do on our website is keep up with the burris opening in georgia new judge juries list and i was talking recent with nancy palmer former executive director of the georgia crackers guild about the number of breweries in the state by her catholic one hundred six. That's one hundred and six active licenses because nancy looks active licenses. I look at locations however you shake it up now. We very recently crossed that threshold of breweries and brewpubs in the state of georgia so our we're over a hundred here when not that long ago we were count more like thirties and forties the state senate changing market out there but if you if you compare it to new york california oregon probably five is ahead of us lacing to public tolerate leeann nana breweries. I'd like to think georgia ken as well and i'd like to. I think that the rising tide lifts all boats you know. Let's make the quality better here enjoy. Let's make this a destination for people to come and visit and take back to the states well. It's more ah breweries. Open people get used to having their neighborhood brewery. It's a new an a foreign concept most people right now but that's how these other states get along with they've gotten used to do. We have the neighborhood we have. Our town or a town has a couple of them. We go to our favorite local one so that's how you make the gap from while the sweetwater and everybody drink sweetwater all around the south to people in peachtree city while they hang out line creek because that's the local thing. That's how that works so. I think that's how a a lot of states especially here in the south could take on a lot more breweries to catch up with the rest of the category right you see in the last six months. They're halfway. Creek excited just talked about a minute ago ten barrel breweries serving that community and doing very limited distribution seems to be the model the last six months for us as you can save thirty battlegroup house head with plans of significant distribution but we'll never lose sight of our local market and i'll tap room and keeping busy fresh infla- before and unique and and you know there's people that will hear this in say a hundred breweries in the state and they'll chuckle own way to go you know reasonable but considering where we were two years ago or four years ago passover new laws. It's been pretty big here for the state and like you said you know these serving. Your community breweries are really big now so it's a huge changing climate and craft beer overall but especially here in our state of georgia over the last few years so paul. What was the biggest surprise to you. From the time you open open till now or what's been the biggest change or unexpected being a newbery honor. <hes> the biggest surprise honestly probably call a little off guard with the competitiveness of distribution asian and how unique the sales strategies for different breweries on a good no we were really surprised and blown away the rec- reception in our taproom didn't really anticipate being this busy and this fall the time you can see today on our anniversary probably going to have a thousand plus people here throughout the course today as that's been the real kind of positive to it distribution wise. We've done absolutely fantastically local market coweta county again. We've really exceeded our expectations but i couldn't put my finger on what the biggest surprises but certainly distribution has been a little different anticipated crowded shelves out there you you know yeah locally and we've seen a lot of breweries outside of the area coming into georgia. Now you know it's to the point where like like we talked about. The changes a few years ago at one point a newbury would come into the state and everybody would know about it. Everybody would cheer and raise their hands. You know hey in newbury new brewery. There's times when three or four new breweries were launched distribution in georgia in a given week and i don't know about them necessarily until they get there and some some of them fairly big names that are highly sought after but like you said there's just so much competition in distribution. It's easy to get lost in the shuffle there yeah yeah it is and you have to stand out. Thankfully we've got a great branding team. Actually here today can panky radical designs phenomenal designs they do on that can t shirts any of the merch that we do it goes through kevin and radical designs so with the branding and the beer man. Obviously the experienced folks have when they come the tap room. Those are the three components for us that we're constantly trying to work on now jason and his team obviously their attention to detail quality assurance and product that goes out the door. We're selling into place woman publix and we have to have high quality assurance too and we're working on that all the time and so far being a year in doing great for for sure and you know with the competition. I've noticed that it's not just internally beers coming into the state. They're having a much harder time competing with the beers we already have here absolute lake in the past would come in. We'd lose our minds about the new beer from out of state now. We don't have people chasing him as much because we've got a good selection of beer here in a good representation of just about every style you can think you're listening to the beer guy's radio show. You need to take a break. We'll be back soon to continue our conversation with line frequently as burry owner or taproom manager. 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I'm doing both sipping sipping from the cistern win win situation so we get into all alex you wanna talk to us about these beers man so about vanilla so all of these are the same base beer direct right yeah so they're all pulled from the same barrel pro aging <hes> since last january about eight months now in woodford reserve barrels so we pulled them out put them in our pilot fees which are one barrel fees we kind of split the berries fermentation mutation vessel <hes> so we kind of split the two barrels between three f- these he's kind of everything out and then our vanilla is we basically just toasted <hes> some marshmallow puts the marshmallow fluff in there and and then we put a little vanilla in there just to get that sweetness to balance out with that bussiness <hes> of the barrel and i think you know we've come up with something. That's super bounced again and really smooth all the way through. I don't think any one flavor stands out over the other. I think it's a really really solid beer. It's very tasty. I enjoyed enjoyed indeed. Yes so brian requested that we not talk too much about the triple coffee right such a liar. I remember that we spend the entire show yeah on the show talking about the coffee varieties that went into that that beer yes indeed yeah. Luckily you know about six seven months ago we we. We found this coffee. Roaster mounting in griffin called safehouse roasting coffee in the sky is basically does what jason i do with coffee. He's a genius with blending ending the the different blends together to create something that compliments all the way through on your on your products and i think with with what we've ghost into these we have coffee in two of these and one's a little bit more predominant in the other but they're both perfectly balanced i with what the whiskey in vanilla or the maple depending on what what you're talking about so i was watching one the tourists in in one of the questions that the people asked was how are you putting the coffee in it or you brewing the coffee ahead of time you grinding it up. What are you doing with so for us. That was kind of a question jason. I bounce off each other was should we grind it up. Should we get a little bit more of that. Contact time in there but we ended up going withholding so we basically just as we take the coffee out of the bag that that comes in and we put it in the muslin cloth and we drop it in the f. e. and we let it get contacts and we found that works just as well if not better than than grinding it up and you don't get any of those particulates coming through when your packaging the beer no course grinding or crushing russian or anything just whole beans right up in there right correct that elicited a fist-bump from jason grouping by so a maple bacon. I'm a fan of all these flavors. Tell us a little bit about this one so so maybe baking again came from the same barrel. It's one of those things things were kind of by taste. You know it was one of those things where we're investing in the flavor i did coffee and then we went with <hes> the maple laughter that they'll run it organic maple syrup and then we went with the bacon to get that little bit of smoke in there to balance everything out kind of in a stage process also the bacon have say okay we'll do we i'd taken to meaty of the ghost cheese i said flavor haase's so initially we boss maple bacon ross it in the oven for reorders and special zone to wear had no i os and chipped in whatsoever and the salt off it exactly and we saw this in urban to serve as it then we smoke it or the guests are are there chair enrique okay. Hey would we want to add this aveer not at all not even a little bit sm- smelly bourbon small smoke smoke mr bush you weren't putting two are wanting to take the risk and just added to the beer ruin something tire batch that brain that we've been pointing over for the last eight months right name once per se of what we had talked to who it was worse than life bacon maple extract jewish we had worked on and you know it was one of those things where you know again. We have a great production team in the back so it's really easy when it comes to dosing things in to go. Bounce it off somebody else you know hey. This is what i'm getting out of it. What are you getting you know. We wanted to be balanced across. All pallets. Don't want one pallet to be predominant over the other. You're the the whole pint with corruption that it's not just addicts are a cover might be. It's it's all of us smiling tesa a._c. In needs moro's is our good brian and i tried mostly brian. I was there for moral. Oh yes try a bacon extract with vodka and it was one of the most vile things i've ever tasted in my life bourbon or i seen for that matter but i have done weird things with vodka a number of times that is probably one of the great ones. My hands are up to step away. I feel like we've all been there exactly right so you talked about. I heard all kinds of different durations of time for beer to go into barrels. What's what's the ideal amount of time for a beer barrel or do you have to keep tastes so unwise procedures things that the cast mates deal the very first experience barrow who's in cork and jason so what i earned from battles titles that you actually aid bare barrow three months and it's solid is long is said pharaoh is fresh so it really depends depends on fresh. He's got a barrel. That's super dry and there's not much bourbon and or was e. And r. whatever order feature and these long our team to contact to you. It's got to come back to life. Is what you're saying if it's been dried out correct fresher there and some of these barrels i've seen certain breweries get where they show up very wet quote unquote. I mean i saw i. I don't know how we're not mad at that. I don't want to say but <hes> i will say you. If you want some <hes>. What do they call the jimmy devils cut. Oh yeah the installs woody super woody what they supposedly ring it out of the woods so yeah. Some of these barrels are fresh freshened shen wet with brian a character or the whole thing that is that what expands and contracts rates hugh put it in environment where at those tasks continuously over four hours and fulton okay so contracts and right so he takes in favor of cold well. That's that's one thing like why a lot of bourbons are are younger than super elite scotches or even irish whiskeys in kentucky. We've got hundred degree summers thirty degree winters there so the expansion and contraction is a lot more than what you're going to get in ireland or scotland over a season yeah but then again all the bourbon warehouses seem to be falling down or catching on catching. It's also important to note that all of those barrels are i run barrels for bourbon. They have to be but you know scotch gotcha and irish whiskey second round so we reached out some of the stuff for our bourbon and now you guys over the other side of the puck and have it were done. We're live in their little. We left a little for yet again. We're not we're not mad at that right. You'll take it take. It sounds good man. You're listening to bear guy's radio show so we do need to take another break but we'll be back very soon to talk more with lying creek brewing. We are reformation brewing. 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If you enjoy the show please consider supporting us on patriotic just go to patriot dot com slash beer guys patrons can get some cool perks like beer guy swag commercial free episodes and even bonus episodes that aren't available anywhere else but now let's get get back to more from lying creek brewing company jason clark you brewing background someone. I'm sipping a very interesting one. We talked about a little bit earlier in the catalina brian mix the brine mixture. That's tasty. That's exact- moved up here. Is that not catalina brian mixer did i do i have that it should be right. I'm easily seen separately. Oh yes absolutely yes yeah named after the cavalier brine nine mixer well the f. in okay yes yeah. This is the safe for work. Name of this beer is out radio playable to name for the beer correct. Okay him though that brothers way more than i do so i'm just going to get him on this. Let's just i think john c reilly. Is that his name johnson. He's a wizard obese. So bear is nothing to do with me. Per se. I don't to alex here still jason. I push he overseen through seattle okay and he eh cheerleader. He had a lovely accent. Though speaking bears is alex. What's taste to cede need says seaweeds tart saison. That's actually eh as soon as we grew up there. We did our normal process where we laco souring and then alex see something unusual new and interesting a winsome you loosen. That's where i'm at awesome had happens. Establish your three for three five three three man. I'll take it all day jason. We talked bryan commented on your your lovely accent earlier and we'll talk about that. How did an irishman come to work for an englishman. I'm and berry in the united states. He lost a bet but so are you started off in francis brewery car earned office <hes> german operator just tags in norfolk your fight once a chance to remain bear mercy was involved as actually one had won a barrier times that year in london for the hair then i was part part of the jams and classmates happen which is going right now. We're gonna brew an appears staus news. We would go jason tree viral. We put the here is so so yeah. I started it off. In some work with jamison we success. I moved there from <hes> narrative cabrillo on the east coast of ireland. I won the best player in the world. Under five percents previous winners were dog and i awesome walker. That's that's good yeah from their wanted to expand my horizons. I mentioned paul matica hanikos classic metal on nine pretty much. We started talking and i came over here. May seventeen and sorta talking it wasn't match dot com wasn't no thankfully i was gonna say there are a lot of other apps apps out there that right left swapping swaying so i mean any one of those would work right not mayhem like long walks on the beach candlelit dinners and someone one who can efficiently use a ten barrel brew in this case thirty five battery overqualified man you got this cover cover yeah but interesting breakdown with the burris you've came here and then coming to america and we'd mentioned just briefly when you were on the show with us last kind of a culture exchange change we had a brewer here from america galway and i know the pogues song i should know it from <hes> was a christmas and new york or something like that yeah. That song is like dependent of the songs in early acquisition so i love that song ferret's head of new york very telling i love your. I love it so i could have been someone but so anyone to scumbag. She's yeah such a such. A good spirited christmas songs are just stuff and so oh yeah bringing a borough from ireland over here to america the exchange of cultures man what is the difference. It looks to me when i'm out there looking information on craft beer and we've talked doc to bring away before nice and it sounds like the craft beer scene. There is very similar to the united states. What's the main difference in ireland in the u._s. Us i guess the perception the openness perception hope mr okay stalls and watts tasty and not i mean back home potentially. I'm seeing ask anyone of course for canoeing for example. He would want him to be soft in to see them wanting to put back home. People sorry no what is our training to the hair trying to make things off when we talked to the guys at galway he said we're like america with about a five year sure these were we're keeping up with trends. You're doing that in the culture is coming along those ways to but it's the the vibe in the phil and everything similar believe i believe that to a point in the onyx point put it's not fair league true okay here. People are more receptive. I would say like put seaweed in a beer and they'll drink it man. You're obviously has taste good. I ger that does help yeah yeah. You know. We can't let you go without talking about the conservative. Georgia beer the guy coming up pas. Can you guys tell us a little bit about that seriously super exciting so <hes> i'm sorry <unk> face you guys wanna work with were super excited so we had talked about working with degrees honey honey in the cans and lavender feet look get a small lake with the kinds and we've made okay <hes> so the beers called hashtag conserve georgia and it'll be released on august seventeenth and jason the crew of putting an inordinate amount of time into sourcing the pecans and making sure the beer is up to expectations that try to on the pilot system and we've tried it. We've tasted it. We think we've got a great bid that super super approachable but more important to us is serving a great cause and you know the southern conservation trust jason mentioned earlier is all across georgia. They take care of lands in nature reserves. You're part of and for every six pack of this bid so we're going to take care of an acre of land so the cause behind it is fantastic. 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Extreme Capitalism with Jason Calacanis

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Extreme Capitalism with Jason Calacanis

"Welcome to bonus episode of rework the podcast by base camp about a better way to work and run. Your Business. I'm Sean Hilton. And I'm Waylon Juan earlier this week. Basecamp CO founder and CTO. David Hi Myra. Hanson sat down with Jason Kansas an entrepreneur and angel investor who hosts this week in startups. Last time these guys went head-to-head was March twenty thirteen so they had a lot to catch up on and argue about including the GIG economy democratic socialism and Class Mobility Today on the show. We're bringing you part of that conversation if you want the whole to. Our UNCUT ENCHILADA go to this week in startups dot com or listen to this week in startups. On whatever APP. You used to listen to rework. Now here's Jason Carroll Interviewing David Haina Meyer Hans so I tell people who are for me that the average person our investment company puts in I think forty five to fifty five hours a week of that probably thirty to forty five is in the office and probably five is like responding to emails or texts and stuff like that off hours. I think a solid fifty and sometimes sixty is like the upper bounds of not burning out. That's where I've come to in my career is like there are times when things are competitive and you. You have to ratchet things up. I've been in those situations. I think sustainability for me is somewhere in that fifty hour week range. What do you think a sustainable work schedule is? I mean obviously varies by person. But let's say in business. You're in a competitive environment. You want to win. Yeah I think what's also fascinating about this is that we don't have to sort of just grasp numbers out of personal anecdotes that this stuff has been studied intensely as well and it's been co defied into these social contracts that you were going to have eight hours for work eight hours for play and eight hours for sleep that working a forty hour work week is actually a really Well-designed system and it wasn't assigned of Benevolence like Henry Ford constructing the model. T simply line going. Do you know what if I make? My workers work fifty hours a week or sixty hours a week. They just end up making more mistakes putting parts in the wrong way and I have to take essentially automobiles that are working right back and fix them and it costs more his other reasoning. Was I want my workers to have a car and have a longer weekend to go drive it somewhere? And stay in a motel overnight. So he's actually thinking and I think this is one of the things that tech people have to start thinking about is what do we want the consumer base and when you think about minimum wage one of the best arguments for apple or Amazon. Paying fifteen or twenty bucks an hour. Which is the minimum wage in Australia and other you know. More functioning democracies is like if they have that extra five bucks. Maybe by an iphone you know every eighteen months instead of thirty six like it's actually going to benefit you in the long term. And they did it up in Seattle. They thought the restaurants were Gonna all go out of business and it turns out they had more customers. Hey geniuses the people were at the restaurants are going to restaurants because they can afford it again. It's one of those things we're just like. Hey if we just made a slightly fairer Equitable society. Oh wait. It's better for everyone like having just a heine handful of PD hoarding every thing at the top. It doesn't even benefit the tiny handful of people. Hoarding everything at the top. You end up creating a worst society and all the factors right not just the economy but politically and socially and an any factor you care measure the prosperity and success society. You end up just fucking it up like you really need to design society around something like our a rawls veil where you go. Hey if I know where I end up. How do I want society to work? If I can't decide at the inception that I'm going to be part of the one percent. What kind of support systems would I like? What would I like my health care system to look like what would I like my education system to look like? What would our like my Socio economic support system make like a snot super complicated Moral Philosophy here. You grew up in Denmark. Yes I know you went to university there. It and that is interesting. There's a term getting to Denmark which means getting to a high functioning society amongst the elites in the globe. Like when they go to Davos places I haven't been to Dallas but at other conversations with these globalist type people that like we have to get Denmark which is a really great compliment. It means what the people want what they get in their government. When we look at America how amazing we've performed on a capitalistic basis. But how poorly we've performed in government services healthcare and education or a disaster. Here we spend the most we get the least. But on a capitalist basis we have the giant companies that for a little three hundred million person country are taking over the globe and we are the benefactors that as a country. What do you think about that balance? Where our government's completely dysfunctional? We don't get what we need out of it yet. We spend all this money but capitalism unconstrained capitalism in America I would call it. We're very vibrant You know less rules-based capitalism let's call it fluid. Capitalism extreme capitalism has got to be a word for late stage late stage I think is the insulting word for interest. Cut Him says like this is the end game so late stage capitalism or extreme capitalism alcohol. It was it worth it or not worth it because we do have google facebook Amazon or all. These incredible services Uber AIRBNB. We we are the owners of those as a country those companies right so it was it worth it or not well first of all. We're not the owners. There's a small handful of people who are the owners who get the lion's share of the benefits of those companies so positing as though like. Hey this is a shared benefit to America is doing a disservice to the people who this is not a benefit at all. In fact they are the prey If you look at companies like facebook and Google there's certainly people benefit from it and then there's certain people young exploited by and I think perhaps that's even more concrete when you look at the GIG economy and you look at companies like Uber or door dash or any of these other atrocious companies who essentially have built their wealth off exploitation and violation of people and miss classifying them as As contractors instead of forecasts. But let's put that aside and take the big picture I which is sort of capitalism it. Good thing I. This is one of those arguments that I always find so fascinating because in the context of you saying getting to Denmark. That's the goal right. Denmark is a capitalist system. What are you talking about their free markets? They're free companies. They're not state owned companies. Much of Western Europe has simply decided that there's certain parts of the economy that certain parts of society that operate poorly under market economics. They are education and healthcare in particular. So if you look at most of western Europeans not just in mark although all Scandinavia's Particularly well functioning example of the government running healthcare not paying for insurance running like the doctors at the hospitals they're employed by the government in the UK and you take education do universities in Denmark. Do not sort of private universities where the government kicks in on Debt Scout Note. They're run by the government and you know what they're run really well in fact when I came from Denmark to here I was astounded at just. How poorly dose two parts worked when? I came to the US. I had a girlfriend at the time who was enrolled in Leone University and first of all the cost was just obscene. I think we're paying something like thirty or thirty. Five grand a year for For that I forget the specifics. Which when you come from a country like Denmark were education is not only paid for by the government. There's a stipend for any student to cover. Basic living. Expenses explained that because that's mind blowing to Americans explain how the stipend works. How much is it? How do you get it? Technically you get about one thousand bucks a month to pay for your living expenses while you attend university and you can do this for up to. I think like six years. Something which a master's degree in Demarcus is usually around five years. And then they allow you one year to essentially gap it. Most people don't necessarily finished their master's degree in five years. And then I think there's probably also an extension available if you pursue a PhD. The interesting part for me though where you can sort of say houses affordable is that in an American frame of mind. You think like the government really paying like thirty or forty or fifty grand a year for all the students. Of course they're not system is incentivized to be efficient. My entire education at the Copenhagen Business School I looked at this and I thought it was something like eighteen thousand dollars for three year. Bachelor's degree that was what it cost Dany State to produce education. And you go like well. That's obviously a lot less. I know there are some examples where in state tuition so and so forth. But if you just say what does it cost to educate anyone who wants a higher education and give them the stipend to allow them to live while they do. So what will it cost society? The answer is a whole lot less than you would think a whole lot less than what is spent on the American system which is a system. That's heavily gate kept were either. You have to have your extreme Grades and You almost have to prepare for college in kindergarten or you have to be very wealthy and that's a broken system and then on healthcare it's the same thing. Denmark has great healthcare now every society even if they have great healthcare. Have people who complain about that healthcare. That's just the nature of it right but if you look at the overall stats Life expectancy and all these basic things. Denmark does just way better than the US and Denmark. Spending I think it's like eight percent of GDP and the US spent eighteen percent of GDP on healthcare. So you go here you have two of the most important functions of society healthcare education. The American system is a for profit capitalist system that is just being whipped by state funded and run systems. And you go like do you want. That should just give you some room for pause here. That maybe the capitalist system all factors of the site is not the clear answer. That doesn't mean that we can't have for profit companies producing phone. Yeah that works. Great like get your phone on the free market you just. You're not that interested in the free market when you're about to die. Yeah I mean it. It does seem like when you do this hybrid. Of course we do have Medicare and we have some state-sponsored things and we have some like and people love them. Well they do love them. It's like they're fighting for it. That's how they make their decision on how to vote is for that it is even more. We just have to go one way or the other you know. I think it has to be completely capitalistic. Or it has to be a free market where customers are paying but this we've picked the worst of all worlds to tie it to employment crates the most unhealthy dynamic. I mean I have people who can't work for some of the starts I've invested in because the healthcare is not good enough or they can't leave a company that's hit scale because they can't get as good healthcare so now you have employers dealing with employees who either. Don't WANNA go or don't want to leave. And it just creates his total dysfunction right like in terms of like. We're talking about before. And isn't that ironic that here? You have a market sort of approach. That's essentially undermining the free market. It's undermining the the free movement of of Labor people can't change jobs. They can't do all these things. And what are we doing this for for some sort of ideological obsession that the free market is the right answer for everything. It is so cute not the right answer for healthcare and I think failing to address that is creating some of those Great Frictions in American Society in American politics. And I think hopefully we're finally getting to the point where people have just had enough and of course they've had enough you all the objective measures of medical bankruptcies or the outcome of the medical system. This shit is broken victim and I say that as someone who's very rich in comparison to to sort of the standard and I can't afford any kind of health care I want and I've gotten any kind of healthcare wanted and this system is still completely insane. I go in to get some sort of checkup. I have to fill out more papers than I duNNo. Applying for driver's license in the Soviet Union would have required right. Yeah I'm GonNa like the system is baroque Louis Bureaucratic and just the whole wrestling of everything with insurances until it's just bust like all objective factors does the system is just bust. It needs to be replaced. Yeah I mean in this. We are in agreement in it. Seems like when you talk about getting to Denmark America? It seems like it takes an extra decade or two to get through these things if you look at gay marriage and you look at cannabis regulation you know. We're so far behind on these things and no no. This is what gives me such hope about America that for all the failings in America there is absolutely a willingness to change cannabis not legal in Denmark. That legal in Denmark not legal in almost all of Europe there is a credible and Holland. These things either decriminalization or full underutilization. It's not legal anywhere else and this has happened in a very relatively short amount of time. And this is what gives me such hope and why agitate so lively for for all these advantages. I know American can do this. And I know it particularly so because as you said at the start of this is America's uniquely rich you look at GDP per capita America just Fox round Denmark. It's more than twenty percent higher. Gdp per capita in the US than it is in Denmark is here it's just being spent very poorly eighteen percent of GDP spent on healthcare bonkers. Right the fact that the federal government can't provide these services is simply just a factor of taxation the US collect something like seventeen percent of GDP in taxes compared that to France or Denmark. And it's in the in the mid to high forties literally in Denmark. We collect three times the amount of GDP per capita to provide these basic services to society. And what are you get you get demarcus? Literally number two on the list of happiest people in the world number one is Finland. Yeah which has a very similar system to to Denmark right around the US. I think is nineteen and if you just think about like also when people get pregnant and have babies you get time off paid for by the government or by companies. How does it work Usually a bit of a combination but yet. That's a great point because this is really. All of Western industrialized world has paid parental leave and the US has not yet like literally. Zero weeks assigned In general worker protections you go to a place like Denmark. You get a six months off at full pay and then you can take additional time after that at reduced pay. I have three kits what we have three kids and have gone through that. I just can't even imagine someone who has only like two weeks from when when they have a kid until the partner out. The kid has to get back to work. You kubeck cheese. That is just inhumane. And why why do we need that right so that area where I actually give tech some Kudos that there's been some movement here on policy that a lot of tech companies actually have quite generous parental leave programs now obviously that she just be a societally why and also I should actually say tech companies have these wide generous policies for the treasured Unicorn employees their engineers designers the project management? They're not exactly giving these benefits out to their gig. Workers or their call center staff or any of the other Worker areas of the economy. Perfect perfect segue. You were lamenting the GIG worker economy. And that they're being exploited. I'm curious if you look at being a ridesharing driver or delivering food as an entry level. You know I'm going to work at twenty hours a week. And whatever twelve to twenty dollars an hour depending on how busy it is. Do you have a problem with that or do you have a problem with it? Starts to tip over into fulltime. They should get benefits. 'cause it seems to me like these jobs have already existed. Nobody complained about them. But if Uber left in Detroit Ashby cum large companies. Then all of a sudden feels unfair was just exploitation on an industrial scale and I think there are many problems. One problem is that no one is taking home after expenses. Twelve to twenty bucks an hour. There's been numerous studies on this. Basically everything hinges on the fact that you convince. Geek workers to run down the assets that they have you convinced him to run down the acid like their car defer maintenance defer depreciation basically not dealing with any of the costs of actually providing the service so even the best of cases or. I don't even know if it's best case even in the case where someone just works ten hours a week because they want to make some extra cash is utterly exploitive the fact that Gig workers are being paid for their expenses the fact that they're not being paid while they're waiting between jobs. I saw one study. Just come out was last week about the fact. That Uber Lifter majorly contributing to congestion in cities to to traffic because forty percent of the time spent working for these APPs or spent without passengers in the car and those forty percent of that hours do not pay for that hours. You like what so if a freelancer though I mean you. You've worked with a lot of freelancing freelancers between writing blog posts or designing logos. But they want that flexibility. Should they be able to have it and be ten ninety nine? What can only rich people be ten nine sure but I think there's just a material categorical difference between someone who's making essentially no money after you account for expenses or whether that makes up for it not everyone I've ever known who've done consulting in tech. They don't charge like what a full-time worker would get paid per hour. They charge what three five ten times as much because they know that the job and the income is lumpy. So you might have great contract here for for month that's full-time Great. But you gotTa make essentially three months pay to fill up your funnel and deal with that. So she's not at the same scale. I think the fundamental underlying issue here is that gig workers as you say they should be paid fifteen twenty bucks an hour. After expenses accounting for time spent servicing the platform and that includes the time driving from dropping off one patron to to picking up the next year. I think now we're doing that. They pay for that time and I don't think they pay for the way time. And there's a minimum now with the fifty cents a mile fees so. I don't think you're correct in that. They're making under. What would be minimum wage in any case? Because why would millions of people? Then choose those jobs David. If there's so many other jobs that are looking like why would you choose to do this if there are so many? They're not this disputation. It's kind of like. Why would anyone ever get a payday? Loan know what the interest rates aren't payday. Loans they're outrageous. Why would anyone ever do it? This is a multibillion dollar industry when you have an asset like a car and you need cash sometimes. You will look that equation going. Do you know what it may be. I'm deferring maintenance it may be. I'm running down my acid. But that's tomorrow today. I need eighty bucks. So I'm going to drive for Uber or lift or DOOR DASH or all. Three people are using multiple. Yeah and then on the long scale I'M NOT GONNA make any money but delong scale just doesn't matter tomorrow matters paying to build. Its do now matters picking up groceries matter and this is kind of bring the precarious that I find just so disappointing and I find it doubly disappointing because I remember when Uber I came out and it was essentially a black car right Yep and I thought wow what a great idea and this was a relatively expensive service because it is relatively expensive to have a private chauffeur right this is the other Aleutian. We have years that like suddenly everyone could afford to have private refers private shoppers. Doing all this work for them. While does workers were being well. Paid and the companies turned into multibillion dollar company. No no society didn't just fundamentally change in any of those ways that we could all enjoy an army of servants so I think that there's some fundamentals here that are uncomfortable. I think these companies are continuing to be unprofitable because the real product they have for example. Getting suffered around is a high end luxury product. That people just can't afford at the scale of its current use that maybe there's a great that's a two billion dollar company or an eight hundred million dollar company or whatever. The size of the industry was for black caps. Be Careful Evaluation Talk David. He's still have a big piece of that company down the valuation just yet okay I think this is exactly why I need to talk about it right. Because I don't have a piece of any of these companies which is why I talk about valuations in general because I think the really important and it's really important to examine who owns these companies who funds them and look at like. How does that maybe buyers to view on on whether we should have a broad social net or whether companies should be required to hire people employee's these are the conversations. We absolutely need to have the argument. I think for low prices for Uber's is that it gives back to the discussion about people having access to stuff. It gives a larger group of people access to actually get a ride when they need one right. If I lived in Brooklyn in the boroughs. You couldn't get a taxi. You might be able to get what they called a gypsy cab back in the day you pay somebody under the books in an illegal car three or four bucks a take somewhere and uber does provide a really safer much. Safer tracked down to the millisecond like where the car is and vetted approach than those cabs right. Well that was progress in my mind. Maybe right you saw the Uber Safety Report. What two thousand rapes in a year or something like that or assault sir? Well I mean you have to understand the denominator on these as well. I mean the denominator is giant. They did one point seven billion rides. And a quarter just let. Let's not pretend that they've solved the inherent safety issue. That is getting into strangers. Personal car right. They haven't right. Maybe they make things better and I don't even want to argue that point. I I think they've made it. They made it much safer than a cab. You're right there is a better product and user experience. There's no doubt about it and say I you admit it safer. Maybe I'm not going to concede that point but we can put that one aside would because here's the thing I it has to be safer because you know exactly where the cab is at every point and you have the credit card number of the passenger so for both parties. You have their entire history of where they've taken people and you have the minute by minute. Location second by second location of the car with a cab. People used to share licenses in the yellow cabs and they could drive anywhere and they're not tracked and there's no central dispatch tracking it in real time. We impress the safety. But and say there's a problem sure on remediation on following up if there was a great investigation into these claims. You'd have more data no doubt about it one of the key problems with Uber. Another platforms is. They've been very reluctant to do that. Not only have. They been in luck of reluctant to do that. They've been actively interfering in investigations. One of the main scandals that came out before uber went public was when one of the senior executives went to India to essentially get the medical records on a rape victim there because it was looking bad. I think this story is very muddy on whether safety is actually better. Yeah I think there's been some regime change there. Yeah sure right. What do you think the results should be of? Because this is one of the statistics I got early on from. Tk folks was and it's still true today. The majority of drivers are switching from ten hours to fifty hours the next week like massive swings and how often they want to work in how they want to work. You're a proponent of people having agency you just said and you wrote a book about it you've offer stranger company around that so yourself say this is how white collar workers should work. Shouldn't the blue collar workers be able to have the same freedom that you yourself promote for white collar workers? I think that's a great debate. Because it's this fall AC- of what blue collar workers want. Most of all is the freedom to choose. They want the flexibility. Absolutely not if you ask these people. What would you rather? Would you rather have the flexibility to set your own hours? Or would you rather be paid? Let's say fifteen bucks. An hour have benefits. Have sort of any spectacle scheduled. They'd of course it rather have those things. Uncover rather have a predictable income. No I think you're one hundred percent wrong. You just said yourself that you want to have lunch with your family and go for a walk outside. That's exactly what these people who are different than you. Do you want him to drop their kids off at school. No that's exactly the drop in their school. They drive Uber for a couple of hours. Pick their kids up. Drop them off at whatever they're doing and the you know sports or something and then they go do a couple of rights. That's exactly the pattern of people who are using the GIG. Economy is that they want to do hours of work and pockets that they can set. That is the idealized version of the people. Who Don't live at the edge of precarity. I just heard a stat. That was ninety percent of old Uber Drivers in New York. They work fulltime. And when you talk to these drivers as I've done a fair bit not an Uber. Because I refused to to use super after the torn of scandals but I still use lift and lift is essentially the same system with marginally better governance perhaps But when you talk to these workers like their concerns are not like. Oh yeah and then like in the morning I was just playing with my kids in the no. No like these are poor. People getting exploited weight. But if you're saying that they're making less than minimum wage and they're being exploited and they're working fulltime. Why wouldn't they take one of the massive number of fulltime jobs available at starbucks Apple Walmart target all these places that can't find workers today. Those people cannot find workers and they pay twelve to fifteen an hour at those places. Why would they take the car driving job with so bad? That's where I think. Your argument breaks that. Because they're opting into it and you said before like well. They're doing it on the margins. But now you're saying they do it fulltime which might be the case if they are full-time in New York. Aren't there better options? If they're making under minimum wage which they're not clear clearly there is for a lot of people right which is why the churn is so high. I saw another stat. Is One hundred percent of drivers churn every year? Something like that link truly astonishingly high turn rates and part of that. Is that people realize what the true cost is after. It's been a while like taking to uber. Rides or doing it for a month. You don't incur any of the costs that are inherent with driving your own automobile around right. You're not gonNA be changing tires. You're not going to have to change a transmission. You're not GonNa do any of the things that happen. If you drive two hundred thousand miles right so I think this idealized version that is essentially sort of suburbian people who just want to make a little bit of extra cash and that is how this made up. It's just bunk is not. It's majority poor people. Well I think the original idea by the way he was what the original intention was. I think the problem is if somebody buys a new car. And they are experiencing that huge depreciation. That is an issue. The idea always was with left especially with resume ride inside Carlos first ones was. Hey you got this car ready you might as well use it and make a little extra money on the side and pay for it and that was sort of the expectation in the early days and then people liked it so much. The drivers liked it so much they opted into doing. It has careers because those people do have agency and could go work in other jobs. I think is one of the problems. We argument breaks down. David is that you think rich people have agency and can change jobs and you'd think the poor people are don't have agency and can't change jobs then this just happens to be entry level job and they'll change from from one level of expectation to next if you look at the people who are actually making minimum wage which by the way is not fifteen dollars in most of the country right like it's closer to seven or eight bucks oftentimes people who were making minimum wage and dealing with that situation. They don't have real agency. Don't just work one job. They work multiple jobs and in any case as some of these arguments. We've had twitter. You'RE AN INVESTOR. Nuba right like I'm not going to convince you. That Uber is a predatory Organization that is people because like that's just not cognitively dissonant with your position right and you can if you want to ask me what my position is actually my position on it is. I think it's provided a massive safety net for society of an entry level job that anybody can do it anytime to make money and that actually produces great foundation which has resulted in US having the lowest unemployment in the history of the country because we have these entry level jobs that people can jump in and out of while they planned for better jobs and increasing their skills which are freely available to learn on the Internet. They can go yes. I I think this and level up because this is the American dream pitch that you start sort of at the entry level and then you have all the -tunities available to you and you will pull yourself up and you will get to place. The only problem with that is. The American dream is false in America if you look at any of these studies on social mobility the US have one of the lowest degrees of social bills false. How false that. It's not happening or false that it's not possible. Well everything is possible. That's an uninteresting. Discussion on socioeconomic level it. The interesting discussion is what rates IT happen. At which rate does someone from the bottom ten percent end up in? Let's say the top forty percent right and it's not even bottom ten percent. It's more like in the bottom eighty percent. What does it take to go from blue collar to call in the US? And this is one of the things I care about. Because that's what I went through Denmark. My parents were absolutely working class. They probably working class poor. I didn't know I didn't know until I was maybe sixteen eighteen because I had no consequences from it. I got a wonderful education. I got a great healthcare system. Which by the way I need it because I had some hearing issues when I was a kid that required multiple surgeries and so and so forth. We never paid a dime for it. It was never in our consciousness. That access to medical care was something that was charged for right so I had the experience of essentially leaving through the American dream of of ending up in a far better place than where I started socio-economically and if you look at the statistics America just sucks for that like you were born poor. You're likely to end up poor. There isn't this great transmission of poor people ending up being retired people in the US. It's possible there are lottery winners. There are exceptional individuals who will sort of defy the odds. That happens all the time. It happens at all societies but that is not a great way to gauge whether you have a fair and sound society and why do I think that is a lot of it is about these Sort of baselines right that. Hey can you get a great education of your porn? Pretty difficult you can be an exceptional student. And then maybe you can get scholarships and so on and so forth but if we're only allowing the exceptional out of poor people to essentially get a proper education yet. Well we haven't solved anything. Structurally we've just loud a handful of very fortunate and perhaps very skilled people to perpetrate dimiss. That the American dream is still alive. And it's not it's absolutely dead. Yes that's the only problem with the argument that the American dream is not alive is that I see it every day in what I do here in Silicon Valley in Angel Investing. Because you see anecdotes you see anecdotes. You don't see the lived experience of three hundred million people. You see a handful of people and you see the ones that are exceptional by the fact that they're in front of you right. How many people are making in front of you making a pitch to you. None of them right or if they are it's the exceptional proportion of the No. That's not true. That's not true. I I would say a large number of them come from blue collar backgrounds with their parents that actually is a trend where that I think stress. How many people have you seen a thousand two thousand ten thousand? Besides the two of us on the phone call here. Yeah it's it's I would say it's a significant portion of startup founders. Come from that background. But that could be an outlier situation where there is a bias. I guarantee you that it is because I've actually looked at the stats. And if you look at the stats for social mobility which is the way you write the American dream. Can you go from rags to riches? It happens worse in America than almost any other Western society and just for me as someone who's immigrated to the US should go with indignation that is fucked up. How did win with such a Writ Society? Why did you have such a? What did you have such a different experience? Because I had an exceptional experience. First of all I was prepared for exceptional experience by going through all these safety nets. I guarantee you. I would never have been qualified to work with Jason Sort of start to company. Run it for twenty years with him. If the state had not paid for my healthcare had not pay for my education had not paid for all of these things that made my sort of lived experienced such that. I didn't feel like I had to drive a taxi. Like my dad did which. I mean that that is a statement of truth like my dad literally drove a taxi on and off in Denmark for for quite a while. My Dad was a bartender so very similar job and yeah. I didn't look forward to to Eddie Murphy. It didn't even occur to me. That was something that I had to do right like I was on a different track right from the get. Go because there's a social how much of you go. How much of the upper mobility dude think is people giving up on the American dream and not being motivated to go online and learn because when we were coming up none of this information was available online today every course at mit majority of the courses at Stanford. Harvard are all available for free. And if you had somebody come into your office at thirty seven. Signals makers of course base Camp Dot Com and. They said listen. I took these six courses over at MIT. Here's my coursework in AI. And you were hiring person would you? In any way care that they had gone to. Mit and paid them or had done the courses online. And in fact. Would you not pick the person who is self motivated enough to take the six courses? Ai Machine learning and hire them over the person who paid Oto. 'cause I think it'd be the ladder. Yeah Yeah I mean we've never cared about credentials at basecamp. We don't even look at these things I don't know at which universities the people who who work with me at base camp graduated from just not interested. We look at the skills but when you look at those skills it's absolutely true the information's out there. What is not out there is the time and the prerequisites to chase it. There's a reason when people go to college. They consider that a fulltime job. They may work part time on top of that but going to college. He's a fulltime job. It's not a whole lot of people. Just have forty hours a week or even twenty hours a week did you say. Do you know what I'm going to after I've been at a brutal minimum wage job. I'm going to get online and I'M GONNA study for five hours a night. The people who do that they're truly exceptional. And how do we know that because there so few of them? So the proof in the pudding. Yeah well now maybe not. This may have to do with motivation. Because you know the average American watches four hours of TV a day so if they swapped out but two hours of that just a half of it and watch education would they not in a year or to be upwardly mobile in your mind. No because this is the they wouldn't blaming really blaming poor people from their for their predicament is just. It's not an avenue. I think that's very interesting because you can do just comparative Social Studies. You can look at what happens. In societies that have these functioning social nets that help people up like? What are the broad trends? No no I I would argue. I'm in agreement with you on healthcare and I'm like I don't think Danes or any smarter than Americans right like Hopefully that's not something. Americans think absolutely it's a better system we should have a world class education system like the Danish obviously and we should have world class healthcare but putting that aside. But you can't the fact is that just gonNA stop you. You can't put those things aside. All the information is available to learn freely on the Internet freely. Everywhere you turn any school could be learned. And we're hiring people to your own admission based on their skill not their credentials. Then maybe the educational system of going to college and spending all this money and having credentialing should give way to just learning skills quickly no and the ability to do that on your own. I mean yes. It is theoretical ability. And I think it's fine that it's available as a as an option I think we have a lar- larger responsibility to society than simply cranking out workers. We should be cranking out. Citizens people who are broadly versed in not just a narrow technical skill like oh. I know javascript. Yeah okay that's good. No what we need fewer people who just know Jarvis whip and more people who Java script and ethics and geography. And all these other things right like these are tool skills. This is like. Hey I'm really good with a calculator. What can I do? You know what? That's not that interesting and I think it's it's really damaging society hall when we look at the purpose of society just being. Can YOU GET A job? But it is interesting to add those skills to get out of the low paying entry level. Jobs like delivering for door Dash. After UBER I agree. It's just not happening right you. You can just look at. This isn't right now. The the masses working for Uber. Lift and door dash are not going online. And they're not getting these amazing degrees right in fact they're often getting why. Why because it's hard I went to. I took a university degree that was essentially a fulltime degree. It had professors. It had classmates and had all these reinforcing social contracts that help you learn to just sit down on your own in front of a browser and then expect like you're going to be a world class program or you're going to be a world class. It's possible but it's exceptional and on a societal level. We can't just look for exceptional solutions. We must look for the common solutions that simply empirically work all right. So here's one that seems to be working development. Schools seem to be producing some number of qualified developers. And obviously there's some controversy around these income sharing agreements. I S as lambda. School is one. That's the one most people know. It's I think you pay twenty or you do thirty thousand and they take a percentage of your salary cap to thirty or something like that. Do you think that's net good for society that innovation of Isa's or do you think it's just a band-aid capitalistic? Acceleration of what's wrong with the American system. Really picking up on my talking points that last one. That was a zinger. It is absolutely a bandage on capitalist society. Failings the fact that anyone would think that getting a remote sort of learning experience for nine months like that's something people should be on the hook for thirty grand for issues. Truly mind blowing. I think on that particular issue is as they have. All the same incentive hit faults at subprime mortgages did that is essentially the originators of these bonds. Stick it to sell him off and do. That's the controversy. Well countries sheeting word. The backlash against lambda right now is the revelations that they're selling off the ISA's that they're not aligned yet. They put them into a bundle like mortgages and they sell them to somebody to go collect on them. Exactly now. You're trench like what the fuck we've reduced. People two tranches in a messy scene sort of securitized product and then they're on the hook and they're being promoted I read some of this promotional materials from some of the hedge funds and lending institutions. Who are partnering with Lambda about it. And they're all about. This is a great new avenue for attractive Returned and you can get eight percent on. Hey these are people like do you know what there's just something sorting aesthetically extremely revolting around? Packaging people's lives up this ways slicing them and then selling them as a security station when what we really should have in the first place is what's on the actual docket right now in the political system. Hey cancel student. Debt and make higher education tuition free. That's the real solution. If it's the state run affordable one not. Oh let's give you know no it's not like let's send everyone to Harvard or Stanford or you told me. I like the idea of lambda school because putting aside the buck getting people into like trench of. Here's a thousand loans. You'RE GONNA make a percent on it. I liked the fact that it's an option because these are high paying jobs. You have a really good chance of getting one known you graduate. Even if it's just sixty seventy eighty K. like first of all this whole thing would placeman rates. I've been getting a lot of information about this. I think it's a scam. Once I started tweeting about it I got a bunch of people who knew what things like on the inside. Who started sending me messages. And oh boy I think journalists and so on begin digging into what the actual placement rates are going to see a system at the Atlanta School. That are under the unsustainable. So here let's do a thought experiment. If one hundred people went through and what do you think the number is that half day at a job in tech in interred scale to make it worth having this program? Where do you think the acceptance the funny thing is is? You can just do the math right. So let's say you take a bond out on someone for thirty grand. What does it cost to provide the Education? And then you go like. Let's say it cost five grand to provide education. You just needed one out of six to essentially go through and then you would be break. Even if I mean all things being equal you not considering condition on this basically means that you can set up a system where you just expect that two out of six right now. You are a prophet that four out of six people. They're gonNA fail you you can give. You don't know which one is going to. It's almost like economics where you go like. Hey I just knew this one hit out of ten then. I'm golden and fuck the other nine right like I just need to students out of the six. Then I'm golden fuck the other four and then you read some of these stories about who the other four were how they were sold on the program how they got enrolled in it. What they had up in life into an integral like what just going. Fuck the other four. That's a really terrible way of going. Are they hard selling them? You think they're heart selling them. Oh absolutely like the whole pitch is like hey you work in some entry level job somewhere. Making what thirty two thousand dollars a year. Here's your golden new opportunity in the off world. Jump on this later on a ship and we're going to take you to a seventy five K. A YEAR JOB. All you have to do is go through a nine month program. Your good golden which is not true. Yeah and I think that that's it is predatory and I think it's a bad model and let's get to the. Let's get to the root doe. Let's get to the root. Which was you labeled. The route is abandoned age. What do you think if they charged five thousand dollars and then got you know? Whatever twenty five k. Over five years if you got job but if you didn't no problem I think once you lowered the economics to such a level where it's not existential. It's completely different. I'd like those Moslem better and there are actually a bunch of coding schools. That are priced on this. Somebody's doing a free one right. There's a free code school which is wonderful right like if you're going to bandage on the failures of capitalism do the bandage as charity. I have the outmost respect for the people who tried to soften the blow of American capitalism through charity especially the kind of charity that it's not just writing a check for tax. Write off but the kind of cherry this personal investment of their time their empathy into real people and then there are other schools that are commercial but clercial completely different levels. Some guy was just wrote me last week talking about this school just like hundred bucks a month. I vote no sense right. That is pathetic in two thousand five hundred bucks a year and I think they said the whole program to about eighteen months or something. So that's roughly in this realm afford you talk about. It's like playing a phone bill. You now or your cable bill or something like your phone cable. They'll take two of your bills I mean. Let's let's not sort of underminded purpose. We were just talking about precarious gig workers. A lot of them. Don't have to in a bucks extra month to to spend an education so you're saying poor people can't put together fifteen hours to increase their future. So this is where I find yourself a little condescending in that regard I think even poor people could put the money together and aspire to take one of those courses. Dude what is it like? Two thirds of the American people don't have like four hundred dollars for an unexpected bill. I think that's a statistic. I think that. Yeah THEY DEBUNK. That they debunk. That headline Abed. Yeah the way they ask that. I think it's a little debunked. They could they might have to ask for their French word. Yes the point. Is PEOPLE IN? Our country loved to have debt. I don't think they love to have we. I mean we have a debt driven society even even affluent people in middle class. People take debt when they don't need it right because nothing happened. On the general sort of income scale from nineteen eighty-four while education healthcare and housing just skyrocketed. So the reason people take on a whole lot of debt is that the expectations of living standards that they were seeing growing up. They're just not true anymore. For for most people nineteen eighty-four they had no progression in real income and they had astronomic rise in expenses on just the three basics of housing education. Healthcare all right. So Jeff bezos ambitious expedition gave you that minimum viable lifestyle. He provided for you. This incredible gift buying shares at an extraordinary price. And for this you. Barbecue him incessantly on twitter as the richest man in the world. Theus and I was breaking your chops about this. You have full-contact twitter. Even though unfortunately as we get older we seemed to be agreeing on so much. Everyone becomes the socialist eventually. So I'm just drag me along faster than natural progression. I know it's so true I tell you I love capitalism even late stage capitalism but I just think that we've screwed up so bad on healthcare and education that objectively. If we've done this bad we need to look at. Who's done a grace and just fucking copy the system. Yes like literally just over there fucking photocopy because this is shit show. Yes where people are scared of getting sick and they're not able to get basic education at cheap price if that's socialism. I'm all in on it and it is that that is the huge thing where I'm like. Hey I'm on twitter advocating for what's being called socials at me. I'm like these reforms are so much mild. Yes so sensical. They're even economical when you look at the GDP discussions we have right. That's the best part about it is it makes business sense. Yes does doesn't have to be about ideology and sort of the clash of ideology. Socialism versus capitalists. Hey I built my business on capitalism free market. It works great for Web Software. I don't want the state to run. Whips offer I want to to be some regulations especially around privacy in monopolies and to show for it but like the free market is good. No one to free market isn't good. One of the problems with the breakdown in the discussion is the word. Socialism is very triggering. Yes and being anti-capitalist is also very triggering. So I'm very trigger when people want to take away capitalism which no one does no one does. I mean. There's a fringe group that wants to do. Bernie Bernie is mild. Did this is what gets me. About Bernie Bernie in Denmark. H- you'd be a middle of the road. Potatoes centrist really absolutely but as a radical in Denmark. Look like if Birdie Center. What's left of him? Funny thing is a lot of stuff that gets called most radical. It's basically like the. Us One thousand nine hundred fifty. Do you know what the top tax rates were in the nineteen fifties in the US the US invented the income tax the US was actually incredibly progressive on taxation for very long period of time. All the way up until basically Reagan nine hundred eighty S. Yeah all the radicalism that people freaking the fuck out over now you just like. That's American history. Like sixty years ago is not exactly like it's from a foreign civilization so on taxation basis there are people who want to go all the way up to sixty seventy percent in Denmark. Oh it was sixty seven percent up until a couple years before I moved. And now it's down around fifty two which you know the irony here. It's the irony. Is that in California. My effective tax rate is virtually the same as Denmark. It is forty nine percent or something. Ads is brutal. So you pay the thirty nine percent on income tax in California and you do the thirty seven on the federal side like and you had fifty and in Denmark. I think it's like fifty two percent thank God for capital gains to sell shares in your company. Never take us our exactly. That's how most people beat it. Right and Jason Night. We're the idiots. We just only take salaries never take capital gains so we pay full full boat and this is actually why people have to fucking pitchfork site. You pay yourself with a Dividend no dividends gets tax income. You you need capital gains and do you know what the thing is. I'm not interested. I'm happy paying. Fifty percent. Fifty percent is a good number. When's the last time you talked to base? Oh some curious and then does he like ever. Dm You and be like Bra. I provided you the minimum viable lifestyle. You're breaking my chops and I'm like your number one target on twitter. I think it's probably about ten years since we spoke to Basil's last. So what is your main beef with him that he doesn't pay taxes that he mistreats the employees. We're making this beef personnel. And it's not personal. Well because you say his name in the tweets it is personal by definition right. Well I call shit out when when I see things that are relevant to jeff like he's the richest man I don't know if he currently is or whatever it changes sometimes we. I mean aside from Putin whose wealth undisclosed he is. Yes in terms of disclosed wealth. Yes right and even if you are sort of competing with Putin on wealth like you surf scrutiny. Here right like we would like are all talks to to undergo some some scrutiny. And that's what I'm basically saying the clueless -ness of Bezos in this regard. It's really clueless of him to not be self aware enough to know that when you are the richest person you do need to take steps and he did tweet at something. I remember this like how. How do I give money away? And I was like you. Built a trillion dollar company. See now to build a trillion dollars in value. Whatever they're selling every year tens of billions of stuff like I think you'll figure it out kid like there's a lot of ways to give them on away like just give it to Bill Gates. He seems to know exactly how to lower poverty and mortality rates. Like he's extrordinary added. Well let let me give you a better example. Just pay your workers like Amazon has working conditions including for people who work in the warehouses. That's a great way of giving back. Just pick a city like Pittsburgh and don't ask them to give you four billion dollars like Dur- great ways to run more ethical business. Where you not sort of just trying to horn all the money and then at the end of the day you get your mid life crisis and then you're trying to figure out how to spend it all know it. Just not be such a horn in the first place who are going to be better off. If there was a little bit more slack in the system and I think there is such a obsession pathology in a lot of American business. That is like we're going to squeeze everything to the last cent and I don't care we're going to exploit we're GonNa get an Oh shit. It's the end of the day. Can I buy an art wing somewhere? Can I do a endowment for some university and you know what philanthropy does not make up for dysfunction? We need structural changes. And I think one of the structural changes we need. Is that like you know. We don't need that many billionaires and they don't need to be that rich so if we can institute a Progressive Tax regime were the richest four hundred families in the US. Don't actually pay the lowest effective tax rate in the US. That's progress. I'm a big fan of the wealth tax to. Oh I hate the welfare. I'm a big fan of the estate tax. I'm a big fan of taxes. In general the wealth tax is a disaster. Everybody who's done. The wealth tax has regretted it and got rid of it even France. No they haven't no they haven't they failed to enforce it because of structural issues in Europe. Do you know how hard it is to go? Count all of your race. Cars put a value on them every year for one percent. And then pay it is a complete felt even have to get an auditor to come and look at your twelve. Ferraris David and your fourteen lamborghinis and figure out what the cost of those guys are and it's so easy there's a market for these things no. It's not easy that you have to hire somebody to go. Assess the value of all. Listen what do you do all day? Don't do valuations. Don't you do angels put prices on. Shit yes you do. There's entire industries focused around this. Not all would you say it's six million eight million great sounds good. Let's go that's what we do. We don't hire outside bars at me. Like oh my God but there was a market all. You need market. You don't need evaluator. You just need a market transactions and then you can look at it and it doesn't even matter eighty percent of all the wealth is in publicly valuated stocks bonds and assets financial assets those financial assets. They're constantly assess. That's what the entire public markets are around. We know exactly. How much basis is worth? Because basically his entire net worth is his stock portfolio or another thing would be they just have a minimum tax. It would be so much easier. Just people paid a minimum tax. I think that would be an easier one to Salim's thing about the American capitalistic bought and sold government system. Just a minimum. Where whatever you made you have to pay a minimum of twenty percent even as a crazy rich person with deductions like no matter what the deductions are. There is a base level of tax. That's the problem here. Is that everybody's figured out all these loopholes. That's why the flat tax was such a brilliant movement as well just like. Let's stop having every possible loophole. Then people rack up losses than trump's like. Oh you know what? If you buy a plane you can depreciate the whole thing yet and literally the entire discussion. I hear amongst rich. People now is the depreciation of a plane in one year. And how amazing this is. That trump did this. Because you can sell your stock in Amazon by the plane and you're basically not exactly getting it for free but the debris she counted those gains that year it's bonkers is not bonkers it's obscene and this is why people are sharpening the guillotines and I think rich people and I include myself in that group clearly. We're going to thoroughly regret that. We took so much and left so little all right as we wrap up here. You're I know you're anti Uber. My number one investment. I know you're also anti superhuman. My number five investment right now serves a returns. I'm working on reshaping. Your investment philosophy. Jason I feel like we got halfway there. I know my hope but I can't buy equity in your company's so wait. There's a superhuman killer or corrector of track emails that you're coming out with. Explain what it is or what you can explain. Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's hey dot com. It's a new email service with integrated clients. Hey Dot com great domain you got hey dot com. We didn't get we bought expensively. Hey Dot com. That's a million dollar. Demand was big bags of money and they were very heavy. That's I've been apply a replying people on twitter when they ask about it. Yeah it was pretty expensive. It's a great domain H. E. Y. dot com three letter. Domain is a million. I got one point. Five million dollars for twenty dot com two zero dot com. Ya I bought it for seventy thousand. That was a great investment. And this the guy who held. Hey Dot com. This is public records. He he'd held. It's interesting ninety five and I'm like dude create fucking investment. And he was actually using it. He wasn't squatting how he was using. Yeah that's cool so so we bought it expensively and that was part of saying like hey we're going to do something completely on us. It's funny someone on twitter. When I announced that I was Gonna come on the show. They pulled up the clip where you had asked something about. Hey Do you WANNA compete against g mail and I said like Oh no not at all interested in that in that the main and here we are. I'm building a essentially a g mail. Well competitor is a big word because what we're and we're not going for a free meal service that tries to get billion people to to watch ad or or have their emails mind so we're going to build a niece service. All paid email services are but hey dot com. It's a new e mail service with Integrated Klein's it comes out in April and we haven't revealed a lot about the features but one of the we have talked about is that I'm just furious about the tracking that goes on with email and your number. Four investments superhuman was the worst of the bunch and there was this big expose it was Mike Industries the put it out where essentially superhuman was embedding these spy pixels and then reporting back to the sender when the recipient had opened it where they had opened it from how many times they had opened it and at what time. This is kind of a standard feature though in like all sales automation software houses salesforce. Everything has well superhuman did by far the most grotesque obscene version where they revealed all sorts of detail in aggregation. Did no one else was doing at the individual level? But you're right. This was something that was happening in other Especially sales people software and so on there was no other individual email client that had ever gone. This far like superhuman did so for us when we when I read. The Story About Superhuman wishes so disgusted. I thought this is just the worst so i. It led to a introspection at base. Kim Like I wonder what kind of spying pixels we have. And it turned out because we used Or Use Mail chimp. It embeds spying pixels by default and in that case it bandages uses it to aggregate open rates. But that's still shit. We shouldn't be doing that so we stopped doing that. No it also tells you where the IP address was location data to and mail chimp. It tells you like sixty percent of your people are in North America. Thirty percent. Here it gives you that data fuck. I didn't even know that. Okay that's terrible too so anyway the pitch here with. Hey Dot com is. We're GONNA cut the shit out we're going to essentially be spying pixel blocking client. You can detect these things you can do things about how you proxy images and actually signature. I just looked at a Someone from your staff Sent me using superhuman sent me an email and I looked up in the spine pixel heirs right there at the top. They use a hidden image. Read receipts it should be. The standard should be like has turned them. I think on iphone you can set. I want read receipts because I want the person to know I read it. That's that's the obvious standard here I do with my wife. I do this with my wife. I have one person in my entire life. Why read receipts for? It's my wife and it's great consent based receipts detract Kosher. Yeah I'm really impressed by this company. And I think we're we're on the same page about Social Democracy Social Sort of safety nets about health care about education about breaking up big tech and Bloomberg. We both agree. Bloomberg should be president so this is great. I think that's another. Yeah that's another to our episode by. I listened Dave. It's great to get back on the pot and you'll be releasing this on your podcast as well so thanks for having me as a guest Everybody Checkout Hey dot com basecamp dot com ruby on rails dot org and if you have not read rework back from two thousand ten. It is a great book a lot of great insights in there on how to do remote work and just run an organization. you're one of a kind. David and I appreciate you come back on the pot. Well thank you so much for having me let's Let's not wait ten years for another one. Yeah absolutely maybe. We'll just make this like we'll do it every year. The rundown of where we're at that's good man. Sounds Great. Rework is produced by Waylon? Wong and me Sean. Hilton Music for the show is by clip art. Thanks to Jason Calcutta's for sharing the audio of his interview with us. You can find his show at this week in STARTUPS DOT COM. Or wherever you? Listen to your favorite podcasts. And he's on twitter at Jason. David is on twitter at D. H. H and I'm sure both of them would be happy to argue about Bloomberg and Bernie and the wealth tax all day long. Our twitter is at reworked. Podcast we'll be back next week on Tuesday with a regular episode unless the class war has started by then in which case. 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Episode 38.0: Everything has some hopefulness

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Episode 38.0: Everything has some hopefulness

"Welcomed vicious on comics. My Name is Sarah Century. I have two cats on his name. Shaq the other one is named. They're really you die messy and I have one dog named Poe and he's just a little person in a dog suit creepy than I thought that we're GONNA keep it above level on that one. Never never never never welcome. Got a question on instagram. Had to double check that but yes it is instagram that we got this question from Ab. What's your favorite book? You've read during Rona for recent listeners. Were in the middle of the pandemic and it is called the Rona that will probably still be relevant whenever this goes up. I'm pretty sure I can't imagine it will be not there anymore. Yeah so I know that you read a book that you were really super stoked about I would love to hear about. Is it called? Yeah I mean. I've read more than one book but I'll say that one book that I have read was Sir see by Madeline Miller. I kind of jump in on books I read. Whatever looks even remotely interesting to me. The cover is just kind of a classic Greek face you know so it has this kind of orange and black cover. That looks really cool. I like Sushi as a character and I don't think that she has really gotten not much flushing out for the most part. I'm talking about Sir. See the ancient Greek character so I did Google it because I was like wait. Not Sir see from game through or like associate from wonder woman only. Yeah there's a few services but they're all kind of based on at least in some ways so certainty is the one from the Odyssey right who ulysses goes to the island with his men and Sir Syed turns them into animals right like that's her gift. This just flush out her story. This kind of tells you where she sat through the whole thing and whenever she does ultimately start turning minutes be sits because literally one of them like assaulter. She opens up her island to people who are visitors. Because she's just like Oh. It looks like you almost died on those rocks your choppy waters with broken ship. You know let me help you out. And that of course ends up going really badly for her at a certain point so she starts turning men into animals like pigs specifically and you know roasting eating them so I love it. That's pretty cool. Yeah no she feels bad about it later because this trajectory where she kind of started being a little bit heartless like a little bit you know. She's one of the God she lives on Olympus and everybody's Dixon's she's kind of just raised in this bad environment she falls in love with a mortal who becomes a God and then the once. Beautiful Scylla of Salih encrypt is fame. Silla falls in love with him and he falls in love with her and so certainty. Easy transmute her into the Monster Scylla Silla kills all of these men and she has to live without further rest of her life and even whenever she comes face to face with Cilla. She's like there's no mind behind this creature anymore. Like I literally destroyed this person and turned her into this. She has to deal with a lot of the horrific things that she does throughout time but also the fact that she has put into isolation she's put into exile by Zeus on this island and stuff like that so people start sending their bad daughters to her. There's all of these women that just have terrible attitude problems walking around her island and he's just like okay. Don't look at me and don't be in the room with me and the girls are like. I didn't WANNA lick it. You're stupid thing. I would definitely be one of those girls in this scenario and they leave after a year if they're undergoing exiled to services island and all of that is really funny and kind of up. It was just like a long good examination of Sursee as a character which we've never really seen so it was groundbreaking work. I love love books. Like that. Where we're sort of takes this especially female characters we're characters who've been villain really flatly in another. Yeah Yeah exactly. Villain is treated like their dynamism reason they'd be villain like this is a weird example but like sent. I thought was really good. I was not expecting to like it. And my partner very stone to like looking through things and we're like let's try it Angelina. Jolie's a babe and it was great. I really enjoyed it so yeah I mean. I think that that sounds really great. I'm going to have to read that for sure. Yeah it's great and I believe that Anthony. All of your brought up. Not only that. He really enjoyed this book. But the there is a prequel to this. That's called Song of Achilles. I am currently have a weightless on the library's copy of an audio book on it. I think I'm like number ninety years eligible. No whenever I get there forty three years when it's my turn. I have another book. I WanNa talk about after you talk about one. Yeah so I am reading a book that I have been like dying to read so I went through a kick where I was like. I read a lot of fantasy and I got really into it and I love fantasy written by people who are not white men. Why wonder because it's good and I'm not gonNA qualify that statement. You're good. I was like fuck that. We just talked about tiger so just like players. We've been too nice. We've been too reserved without condemnations. So I read this Cameron Hurley Trilogy. It was called. It's called the world breaker saga and I read the first two books in like a week because I was just like Holy Shit and then I was like all right book three. I'm GonNa go find it you. It's got to the library and I. It was the first time I had read a fantasy trilogy wear. I caught up with the book so the book wasn't out yet. I thought it was and it wasn't. I was devastated. It'd be like two or three years since I just got the copy in in January. Got An art copy and it is so good. I've been reading some of Hurley's writing as she's been getting ready for this to be released and the book is a huge sweeping epic narrative. And it's a little bit sci fi and a lot of high fantasy so it's about parallel dimensions about how one dimension starts colonizing another basically because of global climate crisis their version of global climate crisis and it is so fascinating. The setting is really cool at their semi sentient trees. And so I love a book where the environment is part of the problem you know. And so the trees hunt people and there's a bone trees that are like I'm not quite clear how they exist but they eat things and then they use their bones to build themselves. It is terrifying. It is so good. There's tons of cool email characters. There's a bunch of different non binary characters one of the strengths of it is that Hurley. Ask yourself if we're to really take people being binary seriously. We really need to take it seriously. And so she has like four or five different societies in this one dimension that each have different ways of looking agenda one of them is binary one. It has three options. One has five options. There's a character who literally as they live. They change gender so they might be he for most of a book and then be she for awhile in the be they for a while and they literally their body changes to fit that. So I think it's just so ambitious and it's hard to write a book like that big and there's so many different perspectives and so many different characters and I was sort of the first chapter when I got back into this because it's been a couple of years I was like man who's what who's what. Oh and then it just clicked back together because again I think Hurley's just incredible and it's really cool to is you know. She had one way. The story was GonNa go to actually was supposed to come out last year and didn't come out until this year and you know I'm not one of the people who's like Damn you give me my book. I get why some people get excited in tenth. She really retooled him and she was like. I don't want to write a book. That's about as pessimistic. Says nothing's worth anything and nihilist and like everything is going to end. She said I want to read a book about hope. And what happens when the world ends? And you're still here so it's been kind of trippy. I'm not quite done with it but like finishing it up in a time. That's kind of world Andy. Evan trying to work in like an essay about what is it like to read a book about a hopeful end of the world. The world is kind of ending and gets not hopeful but like maybe you could do something productive in the next phase. I don't know it's just been such a fun adventure to your back to these characters and be like. Oh Hi Luna. Hey good you see them be like assholes be great or whatever it's been just so much fun yeah it sounds really good. That sounds awesome. It's epic what was another one. You had I just realized how bleak they are. Actually I was reading the Third Rainbow Girl which is story about women that were murdered in the eighty s on their way to the rainbow gathering and it is really devastating. It's an interesting study of the place though as well so it's a true crime book obviously and it's about unsolved murder so that's difficult fucking Christ to deal with. I don't really do light reading. I don't know what to tell people I I think it's the best kind of True Crime Book Right. Where delves into the people around in the people who are affected by the situation that happens? You know I'm the girls lives how they got there like all of that stuff. You know all the stuff that's actually really important about these cases like we don't really give a shit about the murder anyway so great But that is a just kind of devastating book and I also am reading a book. That's called the history of concentration camps the global history of concentration camps. Which is you love to keep it. Light Good God. You know that'll tell you pretty much what that book is and just on the title. It is very very upsetting but everything has some kind of hopefulness to it. It's like if you learn more about it. Maybe you can stop it. You know that kind of stuff. Finally I just WANNA safer things. That are actually kind of improving. Unlike the reading that I do which is almost always very bleak as I just noted. I listened to the no sleep. Podcast a lot which is just a horror podcasts. The I find to be really entertaining for the most part and I watch this movie. That was called knives and skin. Which is kind of a inversion of the dead girl? Trope where it's sort of twin peaks ish but it's by a woman you know so it's kind of better to the women characters which is kind of the twin peaks that I've been looking for for a while And of course I don't want anybody to come and yell at me and tell me about like there's great powerful female characters. I know but terrible things happen to them. You know like and I know that terrible things happen to them to whatever you don't have to see it is Bums me out. I don't know but I have some skin was kind of for me. You know the girls still dies. The character behind the dead girl trope in this does die. But it's you know what's the fallout for a lot of the women in the community so I think that that's a beautiful study and there's a lot of beautiful acapella singing so ooh that sounds really fun. I was gorgeous love that I also. There are three sort of comic collections that. I have read that. I've been loving slash graphic novel so I read Vida Allah and Emily Pearson's The wilds. Which I know we made a comic of the week at some point but like I can't talk about it enough. What a fun story again. Dark right and the world zombies all that jazz but it's so exciting and hopeful an interesting such a good twist on zombies. I found it really like I just enjoyed thinking about it like I just ruminate on that that story all the time. Now think about it and I'm like well that's so good so much. The other one is blood in Bonnets by Emily McGovern which I have found just so the antithesis of the world and exactly what I need right. Now it's basically like pride and prejudice and zombies but it's a comic and it's told with vampires instead of zombies. There's a character who really reminds me of you. Sarah especially once I read that fabrics wrote about Youth Lesbian Vampire. I forgot about that fan fiction that somebody wrote about me so good Sarah Vaughan Century so funny does a Josh unruh and Sir Daniel Swanson wrote that and I believe that is available. Yeah they have a patriot. They do pulp stories and that one is so funny. Oh my God. I was like I can see Sarah doing all of this. So maybe that's why I thought of and Blah Blah Blah his character. Who's like a vampire lesbian? She's like hey meet me later and the main characters like I shouldn't do that right I'm going to I'm going to. I'm going to meet her and then I'm GonNa read you a little bit from the back of this because I think it is perfect. Bloodless and Bonnets follows the clueless debutante Lucy. I don't agree that she's clueless. She's pretty bad ass. Though Ruthless Bounty Hunter Shannon Love Sham and the exuberant poet Lord Byron as they flirt bicker and slash their way through early nineteenth century Britain in pursuit of notorious Vampire Lady Violet Travesty Aka Sarah Von Century so fun. It's it's violent. Travesty is my favorite man. Oh my God I wish i. It rhymes with Sarah Century. So already off to a good start but also. Why didn't I change my name to that? That's like a great name. Yes it is just too perfect. I've really really enjoyed it. It's been like a taking a break from things you know laughing about. Nineteen th century English People Fighting Vampires Sham Lord Byron or like Berbar Bad and Lucy's like are they because they seem pretty sexy to me so I enter that troop and I've just really been enjoying that book so we thanks for asking us about what we're reading. We really enjoy talking about it. Yeah they're all pretty fun books except for the ones that I said which are very very depressing very upsetting but will teach you a lot. You can still buy a subscription to decode it for only fifteen dollars. You get a story day for every day of pride month. That means every day in June. You are getting a story from a Queer Creator about Queer things defined broadly people in their own voices making awesome science fiction fantasy horror and comics. Yeah that's sounds really cool. I'm excited to be a part of it and we're excited to bring it to you. In June. Go check out our website to coded PRIDE DOT COM and via subscription today. Comic of the week is Captain Marvel from Twenty nineteen written by Kelly Thompson. Art by Carmen Carnero colors by Tamra on d'alene letters by Leighton towels. This comics good. This is ridiculously good so good. I love it. I Love the art. I loved a story. I really liked the covers. I don't know is there anything I don't like about it? I A does the covers for the first stint. I was just looking up. Who Does the covers? It's the greet one who we've talked about many times and Paul mounts the later. The covers are less good. These ones are really good. I love the first arc and anything. That's Amanda Conner. Are That means that you have that really dynamic art style that draws your is immediately so I always love to see her on covers. Of course let's textural and it's so exactly Rabs you it's like. This is so incredible. The interior are as you said is brilliant. It's really good at doing character expressions and faces and things while showing this epic scale behind it. So that's always something that's really interesting. You see a lot of these leg touch base. You know human interaction moments but the way that she does is instead of doing just talking heads are a close up on. The faces is usually. You'll see like this drawback and see what is going on behind them kind of situation while they're just chatting with each other and that's a really effective storytelling methods. So I'm sure that that has to do with the script but the way that is pulled off here is really good and the artist absolutely meets that challenge again and again I get where we have to recapitulate origin stories. Especially when we're reclaiming them as feminists and as queer writers to be like okay. That's not what happened. This is what happened. I get that but this isn't do a lot of that like we. Don't really get any backstory on Carol. They're like the movie out. Come on you get the point. She just kind of building on Kelly. Pseudo Connex exact I to me I feel like you know there was runs in between these two but I think that she's done a really good job of just doing a continuation of Kelsey conic. Also Kelly thompsons. I work at Marvel was on the Carol core series. That was so cute which was written with Kelly pseudo connex so kind of a history with the character kind of returning to the has been really interesting for me just as somebody who really liked that original miniseries to watch agreed. Yeah I loved Carol Core. I loved the Kelly. Seekonk run on captain. Marvel I think I have like if not all of the Trade Paperback Damn. Near and I think that you're right. This totally isn't that lineage. Picks up where Casey left it but also is lake so refreshingly lake. Let's just tell the story in the present? Let's just stay in the story and I think that that really pays off the for story arc. There's an island where none of the male heroes can get on the island but so cap. Tomorrow's like vogue it. I'll go boo. Does that before she knows the men camp but you get the point and then it turns out times moving differently on that island and so it's been the hours since people have been able to get in but it's been weeks months. I can't remember on the island. And during that time. This sort of like delist. Villain nuclear man has like created his own little post apocalyptic. Hell scape where he has taken all the men and turn them into like his minions in suits and then all the women are like freaked out like fuck you got to fight these guys and fighting so when I I think that's important background because when you're talking about them having these emotional conversations or even just like interpersonal as. She hoped nice to see you. Those things are against the backdrop of machines that have exploded. And just the decay of apocalyptic wasteland. And so you get this really cool contrast between foreground and background really cool contrast between the resilience and strength of the women against like this dominant will of this misogynist. I just what's not to love? And he is essentially the Stanton for all of the comic skaters and people who are just kind of Shitty fans you know being like. Oh woman you know he actually directly says some of the stuff people were saying about the Captain Marvel movie and stuff. So you can see that. There's definitely kind of. Meta textual presence there. She's kind of making them collectively into this kind of buffoon. Carol Denver's just gets to beat the crap out of and of course he's through the whole thing betraying his secret attraction to her and stuff like that so I think that all of that was pretty interesting and gave her a lot of room to be able to be like. Oh we're going to use this guy as a punching bag it's GonNa be fun. It's so satisfying. It doesn't have to be anything beyond that. But also importantly it is beyond that. Because you know she establishes a crew of women in the how defeat this guy. Which is you know something that we've seen a lot of times recently but it's also deserves repeating like team up with a bunch of women knock this guy out of power. It's kind of obvious solution. Absolutely the broad strokes of it within that they're so many deeply powerful moments between characters like at one point she hogan has matt are connecting and they both their powers are not working on the island and she is like. I've really been feeling my powers have dominated my life lately and it's been kind of a relief not to have him here and has matt's like yes same. I'm really glad I'm not just destroying everyone. Around me with a noxious gas at all times. And then they both get their powers back and they know they're going to say right before it happens there connecting having this conversation and they're like but that's the way things are and be who. I need to be when I have my powers pack so you get this little mentor relationship in just three five panels. Max I mean even one panel. I can't remember exactly but it was so potent and it was so incredible to see as a comic lover. I love anytime older. Comic characters are reaching out to newer younger ones connecting with my love. Captain Marvel Miss Marbles relationship adorable and I think that this was again. She helped him has met. Had this incredible moment. That was like something. We don't always talk about heroes like. Yeah fucking sucks. Yeah I think to that later has met. Has that moment with Carol. That's really interesting. This is later in the series. Carol goes you know I'm so sorry I'm being such a terrible mentor to you and has met his like. Are you serious everything you've been doing? You're in a terrible position. You're doing everything you can to protect the people around you and you. I mean that sets the best example possible lake. I don't want to be squishy but I WANNA say you know you're doing a good job. I'll be happy if I becoming hero like you someday and carols like well right because that's like Carol. This is constantly. I'm not doing enough. I'm failing she's literally the most powerful being that we have and how she she constantly feels like she's not doing enough and she's constantly holding herself back. I think of careless someone who's constantly torn between worlds and experiences and I think that that's what makes her so dynamic and fascinating. Always absolutely as I felt like Carol Jess was so strong in this. Yeah I wanted to add one note. Which is that something that is extremely important about looking at Carroll is. She's also very very confident person so seeing that kind of merge of ing torn being confident being able to do things being capable your anxieties and your lack of confidence in some respects aren't erased. She feels like her human side suffers right and I love it. Think a lot of us feel a lot of women who I think. Work really hard and have to do a lot of work of many different kinds. You can start to feel sort of burdened by that to the point where you wonder if you are still connecting with humans. In the way that you're supposed to so I think that seeing that kind of reflected here was really interesting. That's a good point Sara. I love that. It's like her internal conflict. No way makes her weaker and it makes her no less decisive and it makes no less of a leader. I mean when she gets there. Everyone's like Oh thank fucking God please. Please take over. You know we need to see you punch nuclear man in the face right now. I mentioned Carol Jess and that's the ship between Carol and Jessica Drew Spider Woman This very long standing ship. The started even back in the late. Seventy s totally. I mean they clearly have just an incredible chemistry. They're funny together. I love the justice constantly. Like come on. Take yourself a little bit lighter Like it's going to be okay and then also has own deep resonances around like I have a kid. My stakes are really high all the time because I have a child and this person needs me and I think that Carol. We made fun of with Stephanie Williams. We made fun of the fact that Carol Owes Child Support in the movie. And I feel like it's almost like that here we're carols also like this also my kid This is something that I have to have to help. Just get there and like it is my responsibility to everything's fucking carols responsibility you know. She's like I'm the boss a space. I'm the Buzzer Earth. The boss of these people. I am responsible for everything. So they're dynamic is so sweet when they come out the Joe we both go to men. I was like well. We're weird. How Weird. Why are you doing that? Yeah no it doesn't make any sense. It's so weird to watch them. Connect so profoundly and so consistently in a way. That isn't necessarily friendship right. Like we all have a really close friendships. But there's a difference between your friendships. It's not lesser. It's not greater but there's a difference between now you treat your partners and how you treat your friends and again and again with Jason Carroll. These are lesbian. Mom's leg they literally are lesbian. Moms but okay you know whatever. I guess. We're just going to do this thing instead. Why is is jumping into be the mom of these kids and then we still end up with straight carol for some reason got it. Whatever so like there's this scene to that I loved between them where all this between them in this comic all really good and they don't disrespect the bond between them which I think is the most important thing you know if we're not going to have the ship be confirmed or denied. I guess we're just going to deal with the fact that lake honestly they have a very tender and real relationship in this regardless of how we view it and something that was so great was Never Jessica is like urging her to get yourself checked out. She's like I think you're having some issues and maybe you should go get yourself checked out and she just kind of consistently brings it up again and again and again. There's that scene where she keeps trying to her and to going to the doctor and actually getting checked out for some reason the chance up going to Tony Stark. Her and Tony Stark. Have this kind of adversarial relationship so they just kind of keep exchanging barbs wall. Captain Marvel is on the table waiting to be checked out. And there's just a senior she just keeps being like well and like adding and getting the last word in all of the time and then the spiderwoman looks at her just with the most loving smile in just like Carol. Please shut up. And it's just so adorable because she needs to tell her to shut up definitely in that moment but also she's telling her how much she loves her. You know at the same time. Yes it's how you say I love you too. Words shut up. It's pretty beautiful so I loved that I love their relationship through this entire thing. And it's kind of one of the strongest parts of the book. Yeah for sure for sure I mean I think I would say female friendships are and you know with an asterisk for carriages. Are Absolutely the strength of this work and so many depictions of strong women in comics in others genres in anything. It's the soul strong woman. There's one strong usually white usually straight women to save us all and it's nice win. Comics aren't like that when you can see many different kinds of women who are strong in many different kinds of ways who are from different ethnic backgrounds who have different relationships so gender and sexuality like it's so nice to see that an end to be like. Wow these are really great. Heroes like they're really really cool. I love it. I think it's great I currently. We're on the last of injure story. I think they probably by the time goes up that all of wrapped or will it industry who knows uddhav but yeah it's been really interesting I've loved this book. I thought it was great. I also wrote an article about it for Seifan Girls. Just because I think it's such a good continuation. Think it's easy for people to fall off of the comic. Sometimes because they go Kelly C. To Connex run was great. And it's like absolutely. Here's some other great comments that we're coming out right now. That are very important to keep buying. Because they're all great. I mean Kelly Thompson is just kicking. Ask I mean she has a great run on Deadpool? Happening that is just so good. It's like peak deadpool to me like love it and I'm really happy with her work and I think she really cares about all the continuity lineage of heroes of these stories and making them fresh and making them like you were saying Meta textual and so we're constantly commenting on the world of comics on the world of superheroes wile really telling these super compelling stories about superheroes and I just love it. I agree really fun. Thundering mirror podcast. That is all about making comic books more accessible to Lgbtq folks and women so if you have a question about anything related to comics comic adaptations pop culture. General Conventions cost play new name it. That's what we're here for. You can send us your questions at bitches on comics at gmail.com. Unfortunately Jima does not like the word bitch. 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Philadelphia Police In Active Standoff, 6 Officers Shot And Wounded; Pres. Trump Blames Fed, Not Trade War, After Recession Warning; Rep. Steve King Controversial Comments

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Philadelphia Police In Active Standoff, 6 Officers Shot And Wounded; Pres. Trump Blames Fed, Not Trade War, After Recession Warning; Rep. Steve King Controversial Comments

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I will tell you having been at that scene for the last couple hours trying to talk his mail <hes> he continues to fire rounds out of the window. So this situation is in. No wave wave resolved. I wanted to come and give you some kind of update to see let you know where we are but we are trying to talk his mail <hes> trying to let him know that he can end. This is peacefully now. We've called him multiple times. He has picked up the phone a couple of times but he has not answered so we've been trying to work with a family member <hes> but right now we have not been successful despite several attempts to talk to him both on the loudspeaker <hes> on a bullhorn and on telephone. We have been not been able to make contact with him. Thus far. We're trying to get him to come out peacefully <hes> but right now he refuses to do so. I have to get back over to the scene. <hes> i to answer a few brief questions in the mayor might have some comment and and others might have comment but right now. I have to get back over because the critical thing to to tell you that i did. I tell you this. I have some situations where i'm worried about potential hostage situations so we've got to get that resolved alright commission. Could you tell us the how the pursue sewer inside of the doing in being <hes>. We believe there okay. I'm not going to say much more about that right now <hes> out of concern for their safety right now so we believe that this male <hes> is in a certain part of the building. I won't tell you where they are where he is right now so that i don't endanger <hes> the officers on the scene in any way but is a very volatile situation that is still unfolding so as a result <hes> there's so much i can tell you about about what's going on inside of their property safe for the fact that even when i was on scene he fired multiple rounds <hes> many of which that struck the swat truck and <hes> buildings across the street and that's long after i got there long after it started so he was continued to fire it is a grave concern to us of grave concern to us but we're trying to communicate to him that we want him out safely <hes> even going as far as telling him that the officers are going to be okay and that there's nothing thing that we can't work through with right now. <hes> we're not successful so i'm going to get back over there. I'll answer a few questions. I gotta get back. <hes> just you talking about the that's what i just went in there so i i didn't get a chance because the proximity to make it to stein. Get up there little later <hes> thankfully everybody's going to be okay. Hey i did speak to all three that are here. <hes> and you know. They're all in good spirits. You know we're we're concerned about this. Whole situation sets one shooter in here right now. We're not sure and so. I don't want to say that and be wrong. <hes> north on the tactical standpoint we want to make that assumption anyone in custody and there were people who were taken into custody initially okay <hes> and there may be even someone in custody inside but right now we know oh is this mail is holed up inside and he's not since i've come here in the last twenty minutes or so. There's no indication that he's he's trying to surrender right now. We do know he's still alive. He's no question about that because of the shots so keep bringing up <hes> so we're very concerned about you know the neighborhood. We're very concerned concerned about our police officers but again. We're doing everything within our power to get him to come out right commissioner. You said you've been in touch with family anything about well. I mean we're we're. We're just trying to do right now is do as much as we can to resolve this peacefully and so without getting into all of that at this point which to use and leverage everything possible <hes> multiple multiple attempts to talk to him by myself and others trying to assure him that i'm out front you know we he has the highest assurance is not going to be harmed when he comes out out but normally i would even take this positive but i got police officers in a very volatile situation you know. I've got to be people about him. Like i have to give back over the mayor we uh wonderful the opportunity to speak to the six officers. They're all in good spirits and obviously it was a very traumatic experience for them. <hes> i was talking to one of the officers had the grades wound to the head and he had two little boys that look like they were nine or ten years old eight or nine years old and kept on thinking about how their lives change just with a little a bit more difference in space <hes> and <hes> i just our our concern right now for them for their families. <hes> and we'll sort out all the other stuff wants. The scene has been resolved over over at the over over the shoot where the shooting took place <hes> and we're just we're thankful. I'm angry about having someone having all that weaponry. I've been relying on all that all that firepower but we'll get to that another day. It's all about the officers and their families right now and <hes> god bless them and god god save them all philadelphia police commissioner richard roth who described the situation tonight there as volatile six six officers shot in north philadelphia. This evening that we know about all six are in hospitals not a life threatening conditions were told to officers reportedly remained remain inside the building. Perhaps trapped inside the building at the standoff. That's according to the philadelphia enquirer which spoke with the philadelphia police please commissioner and the police commissioner they're indicating that they're also may be suspects handcuffed in custody inside the building thing possibly with those police officers in one part of the building philadelphia police the <hes> through their twitter account say they're attempting to communicate with the shooter. You heard the commissioner sure they're saying that he personally has attempted to communicate with this shooter so far unsuccessfully the shooter according to the commissioner shows no sign of wanting to surrender in fact for hours now the police department has been sending out updates via twitter in which they say that the shooter continues to fire fire at police to fire out of the of the structure and you heard the commissioner and they were saying that some of those shots hit the swat vehicle is being described arrived as an active situation. It certainly appears that way from the outside as well many details right now unclear at this moment. I want to bring in our senior justice correspondent evan perez evan. Let's talk first of all a little bit as dusk is falling as night is coming philadelphia that only adds a whole other layer four police on the scene the difficulty <hes> they will have to light up the area. They are trying to get their shooter to talk trying to assure this shooter or perhaps shooters. They said there could be more than one that that they will not be harmed if they come out what we know about how all of this began evan well well according to the police this began as some kind of narcotics <hes> call that this are these officers are responding to now. We don't know exactly what the details are of that edison. We don't know if they were doing with some kind of operation to try to buy drugs from someone in order to essentially set up a case bring charges against someone but it appears that the the suspect or suspects <hes> was expecting these officers and the officers were certainly caught unawares and so <hes> the chief chief. They're just described the. I think he was police. Commissioner he just described a situation where officers were having to bail out of windows trying to escape <hes> with their lives and it appears that these two officers remain inside the building now a little short while ago <hes> one of the reporters from our local affiliate k._y._w. Have you talked to four women who are being taken out outside of the building of that same building. They said that they were on the second floor. They'd seemed obviously extremely shaken can up and the police just described also the fact that there were people who were initially taken away from the people who perhaps were arrested so this was appears is to be a police operation that suddenly unraveled and went horribly wrong because this this this shooter or perhaps more than one opened and fire and as he said i mean we we were watching some of this anderson unfold especially in in the past hour. He was firing outside through the front door through the front window. <hes> we were told by sources that he was firing through the walls so again this very volatile situation that makes it very hard for the swat team to go in when you i know you have officers who are trapped somewhere inside. That building makes it a lot more more difficult to to to come up with a tactical plan to attack the situation i just i want to point out to our viewers. We are obviously also aware that it is very possible the shooter or if there's more than one in that building has access to a television aradio and maybe monitoring coverage of this <hes> and so we are being very select in what we are saying about put these any kind of tactical situation right and even some of the pictures we are showing. We obviously do very cautious about showing anything that if somebody is watching who is involved in this from inside. We don't want to give them any sort of information. We obviously veasley police who are the ones who are really hoping to be communicating with with this person. Is it clear if this is a single family structure order there. These are two three sometimes four level homes in this area in philly. Do we know is this a single family or is it multiple separate dwellings torah anderson we when we were able to win there was daylight we could see that it appears to be it appeared to be a two story above ground structure. We don't know if there's a basement <hes>. We don't know how many units there are. It appears that it is there is more than one unit again. There was a reporter who talked to four women who were who brought out of the of uh of at least one unit in the building. They said they lived on the second floor so it appears that the suspect is somewhere else in this in this in this building. It's not a very large building. These appear to have been these appear to be row houses that have been converted into apartments. This is an area just north of center city philadelphia anderson's near temple university hospitals. There's a lot of <hes> you know <hes> healthcare facilities nearby and again this is an area. This is a residential neighborhood hood. It appears that this is a two stories above ground. We don't know whether or not there's a basement <hes> unit at all but it does appear to be multiple units in this building right earlier. There had been reporting in local media in philadelphia. Sort of <hes> talked about location. Perhaps of the two police officers who are inside <hes> <hes> and the police this time around are not giving any details for very obvious reasons they do not want to give away any location of if anybody law enforcement or the alleged shooter or shooters or anyone who may be involved. I want to bring in more law enforcement analysts and experts joining us as former philadelphia police commissioner charles ramsey and retired f._b._i. Supervisory special agent james gagliano both our law enforcement analyst chief chief ramsey. This is your town. You know well. You know this police force. Can you just talk about what they are doing right now. And how difficult does this become as the light goes down well. They've established a perimeter getting civilians out of the way and media out of the way so that they can secure that area area best they can. The swat team is onsite now. I do know that the f._b._i. A._t._f. Have responded with their swat teams or not but i know that the philadelphia philadelphia police swat team is certainly <hes> there <hes> again this individual is still shooting and to add to the complication heavy rains are gonna come in and about half hyphen hour into the philadelphia area so that's going to cause even further complications but they'll continue to talk to this guy and try to get him out peacefully but but if it gets to a point where they feel those officers that are trapped inside <hes> are are in danger. They'll have to do what they have to do to get them out of there. Now nighttime certainly can be your friend <hes> but it also can be your enemy but they do have capability low light <hes> visual capability <hes> so that shouldn't interfere too much much with them <hes> gyms gagliano. We've talked about active shooter situations where now the strategy is. Don't wait for the swat team. Go and go and go in a neutralize the threat when when there are hostages or perhaps hostages involved that changes the dynamic three different types here. We're dealing with you and i talked. It seems like way too many times about active. If shooter situations this is either a barricaded subject or a barricaded subject with hostage both or tweet completely differently to chief ramsey's point. You wanna wanna perimeter. You want anybody to be able to ingress egress. This looks to me from the number of officers that were shot and thankfully none of them with any life threatening wounds it looks like it was a felony drug warrant and that happens hundreds upon hundreds of times across cities across america every single day police showing up police showing up knocking announced warrant and going in and if the subject does open their door and in this instance obviously they were engaged. Now the only other option is it could have been maybe a buy bust where an undercover agent agent or an undercover informant went there to purchase drugs. Something went wrong and the police responded as backup and then this happened. The fact of the subject barricaded himself inside. You've got police officers now. They're either pin down or unable to extricate themselves. Three things have to be unseen an on-scene commander that can make that call and that could have been the philadelphia police chief if the feds move in and take over that that would be an on-scene commander being a special agent in charge from the f._b._i. There has to be hostage negotiators. Those are the people who are trying to talk. We heard from the police police spokesperson. He has refused to speak to them. That is never a good sign so from the standpoint. Get somebody from the family. Get somebody that has intimate knowledge is person person somebody that can hopefully be that buffer and talk to him and third tactical response. If there no hostages surround the place and wait time is on your side side if there are hostages in any indication at one of them are gonna be hurt. The good guys are gonna go any getting. She firms do the other. The difficult part also is. I mean again. If there's a as a drug related effort earlier. There's no telling the condition that the shooter or shooters are in whether there have have actually taken drugs themselves that obviously adds a whole layer of complication. Yeah i mean you just don't know the answer to that. He could be on something or you could just be a violent individual. Just does not want to be taken out so they don't really know bottom line is he's got an he's heavily armed. Apparently i mean this thing's been going off three hours. There have been numerous rounds. <hes> someone said over a hundred rounds fired <hes> so clearly he has there's a lot of ammunition and he has no intention of surrendering peacefully at this point in time. Hopefully that changes hopefully no one else gets injured but this is going to be a long night eight if he doesn't so you know we'll just have to wait to see what what unfolds. They're not gonna. Let anybody else get hurt yeah. We're gonna keep a very close eye on what is happening right now now in philadelphia throughout this program for the next two hours that we're on the air we'll bring you updates from our people on the ground as warranted of nex investors got throttle today amid growing fears of a new recession president trump's answer. The buck doesn't stop anywhere near here and later my visit was stephen colbert late night. Star talks about comedy in the era of president and trump plus. 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That's initially when the call came in police were serving a search warrant at narcotics warrant they were met by gunfire and then after that anderson the calls went out for more guns more officers swat came in police descended on the scene and then what folks out here say is what they heard was gunfire fire shot after shot fired by the suspect who's inside and then anderson came in the reports of the police who were injured at first report was two officers injured than it was four than it was five then it was six officers injured but as you now know we're hearing those injuries are not said to be life. Threatening as this ordeal went on hour after our there was at one point to report that the suspect inside was at one point live streaming at one point just about five fifty there was a lull in the shooting and then more shooting happening after that shortly thereafter we heard word that two officers are actually inside that row house. We are still waiting to hear about their condition. There is said to be barricaded inside there with three prisoners. Were being held as well then it just about seven o'clock. That's where we heard from philadelphia. You police they were tweeting out saying that they were trying to engage with the suspect. They're still trying to engage with the suspect but are continuously met with gunfire. At this point we are still standing by. We're going to be out here all night long but as you can imagine as night falls it gets more and more difficult for officers to see what's going on to be able to gauge what's going on on. We're going to be here all night with each development as it comes down to us under citizen. Thanks very much. We'll continue checking with you. While we keep an eye on the ongoing shooting in philadelphia see the situation there there is more breaking news on the markets and president trump as the stock market plummets and bond markets flash warnings possibly dire economic times the president in his tweeting his anger at the federal reserve chair that he himself picked his name is jerome powell joining me now to talk about what is going on c._n._n. Chief white house correspondent jim mukasa a- sure seems like the president is trying to basically put all the blame on the chairman of the fed for for a whole lot of things and this person he himself selected in praise. That's right. I mean it seems like there was a mild freak out inside the white house inside the president's team over what happened on wall street today the dow going down eight hundred points and the president and economic advisers. We're all blaming the chairman of the federal reserve jerome powell the president at one point tweeting earlier today that jerome powell was clueless us the president also talked about this inverted yield curve where the you know the yields for the ten year treasury bonds. We're dipping below those for the two year treasury bonds that has been a reliable predictor of recessions going back decades fresno even tweeted about that calling that phenomenon crazy of they're certainly concerned inside the president's team and we're told by administration officials that he is frustrated with his team because they have not been able to really turn the market around as fast as he would like the i mean. Is there a plan other than criticizing the chairman of the federal reserve. I mean and again this comes on the heels of the china tariffs being postponed bone so as not to freak people out over christmas anderson. It seems like the plan is to fix the blame on the federal reserve chairman jerome powell. We can tell you that his top trade advisor peter navarro he was on fox earlier today. Describing this as a fed downturn not trump downturn but a federal downturn after months of top administration officials touting the president's handling of the economy you'll recall earlier this year larry cudlow just in may <hes> saying that they were killing it on the economy. They're not making those kinds of bold statements <hes> this evening but anderson you're right. They did make this major reversal on tariffs on china yesterday delaying them a new round of saying a new round of terrorists. I should say until december. The president almost acknowledged the obvious yesterday which is these terrorists are being passed the cost also these tariffs are being passed on to consumers and then the commerce secretary wilbur ross earlier today said once again that they're trying to protect the christmas shopping season anderson that's once again an an acknowledgement that the president's tariffs has trade war with china is having a negative effect on consumers and they're very worried about it inside the administration. I talked to a source close to the white house earlier this evening evening. Who said <hes> as economy goes so go. The president's reelection prospects pretenders system appreciate it. Thank you more now from c._n._n. Political commentator in washington post opinion columnist calmness <hes> katharine graham pell who covers the economy also c._n._n. Political analysts in new york times white house correspondent maggie haberman <hes>. Do you agree with that as the economy economy goes so goes the prospect for president trump. That's and i think the president's own advisers look at it that way. I don't think they think that is the only issue that he is going to be facing reelection on but it is certainly certainly the one that he has staked a lot of brown on the president himself. We know over the last two and a half years has treated the stock market like his poll and he has watched it. Go up is treated as if that was something to celebrate he rarely talks about when it goes down but what he has come to believe over warnings repeatedly when the stock market has taken a dip he then tells advisors it will eventually come back up and he has come to experience that over these sort of lurches on the economy. This one feels a little different so we will say catherine. I mean this economic indicator pointing toward a possible looming recession if you can't just kind of explain what it is to to all of us and how successful indicator has been sure so basically in order to <hes> in order to lend someone money generally for a longer period of time generally oh you expect them a bigger return right. That's why longer-term bonds tend to have higher yields than shorter term bonds. We're seeing a reversal of that which suggests that markets. I believe that basically the fed is going to have to cut rates. The economy's going to weekend that we're going to have less inflation going forward so it's an indicator in the past of a looming recession. It doesn't necessarily mean that there's one coming but it does suggest that markets are losing confidence and that's the real risk here that in the past when we've had recessions there you know <hes> ah expansions don't die of old age we are in a very long expansion at this point but they get killed someone or something murders expansion and that someone or something could be a shock like an oil shock or it could be a collective crisis of confidence which is essentially what we may be seeing right now because we still have the risk ongoing of the escalating trade wars we still have risks risks from brexit from the china's slowdown from other geopolitical tensions and all of those things come together could get everyone sort of collectively saying you know what maybe now's not such a good time to hire fire and invest right now but ballooning deficit which republicans used to care about and now nobody seems to well and and that's one of the real risks here right that if we do have a recession there's not aww powder left in the gun right now because we took on two trillion dollars worth of debt normally if there is a recession what you would expect the president and congress to do would be to call paul from fiscal stimulus. There's just no room where there's very little room for effective fiscal stimulus and beyond that i mean even if we did have policy tools this white house fundamentally does not have a plan and do not have competent personnel in place to develop a plan. Let's talk more about that because right now. The president is tweeting stuff. He is watching on fox news or fox business. I guess i guess now he's turning on fox business for more specific things he can tweet about but jim acosta pointing out attacking taking the fed chairman and tweeting what the the people with interestingly dyed hair on fox business for talking about does not. That's not a policy. No look again. Catherine put it very well. I think there is no plan. There is no there is no actual plan that is in place when he makes these moves when he declares that china is a currency manipulator which freaked out a lot of investors <hes> a lot of his supporters when he does these tweets when he makes these moves they're not according to some game plan a strategy now and it's very very hard with with it is very hard to ask the rest of the world to live with you in these ten minerva time and that's what he is doing and he is playing a bit of a game of roulette with the economy <hes> his moves in the last couple of weeks have confounded his supporters certainly outside the white house some advisers inside the white house who think that he is creating more of an aura or a instability than is necessary and that is just going to prohibit investment going forward and it doesn't help that if you look at like the economic brain trust surrounding this president. You have a guy who plays an economist missed on tv. You have a guy who isn't economist but who's been disowned by the entire profession and you have a guy who was the producer of lego batman right like those are the people advising this president on economics. The only competent economic policy makers we have right now are over at the federal reserve lego. Batman was pretty good. Though i mean whatever it's it's creative merits got it by the way you have chief executive who has a long history of just running things into bankruptcy. Yes yes so there's less well. Catherine appreciate it. Katharine repelled maggie haberman maroon always we are monitoring the breaking news and philadelphia six police officers shot and wounded non-life-threatening <hes> we are told shooter or shooters remain in an hours long standoff standoff shots are still being fired or have up until about twenty minutes ago which the last time we heard from the commissioner of police also tonight astonishing comments about i. 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No ridiculous markups no hassles. Just quality affordable eyewear delivered right to you visits any today at xeni dot com slash c._n._n. C._n._n. As we monitor the shootings philadelphia six officers have been shot. The shooter is still or shooters. Police aren't sure is still apparently barricaded in a house. We also want to bring to your attention. New comments from iowa congressman steve king the controversial republican faces new calls to resign tonight after his stunning donen comments about rape and incest. The pressure is coming from democrats but republicans liz cheney the third highest ranking g._o._p. House member she describes his remarks as appalling rolling and bizarre today in front of an audience king questioned whether there would be any population left if not for rape incest as part of his case for banning banning abortions including those involving rape and incest listen what if we went back through all the family trees and just pull those people houses were products of ribbon incest whether beginning population of the world laughed if we did that considering all the wars and all the raping village this take place and whatever they will happen to culture after society can't certify that part of the product spends a lot of time thinking about rape and incest. I just months ago the house g._o._p. Stripped king of all his committee assignments after he made racist comments defending white supremacy king insisted he was misquoted back then and he wasn't with me now is c._n._n. Political analyst kirsten powers and former republican congressman charlie dent pearson. I mean i don't even know what the question would be but yet again. Here is steve king talking and saying just stuff. That's unbelievable yeah yeah and he was according to a website <hes> <hes> in in iowa he was confronted by a constituent who is upset about this who has schoolteacher who who said i heard your comments earlier. I have have a ten year. Old student was impregnated by her uncle. So are you saying that that ten year old should have to carry that that <hes> pregnancy to term and he according to the reporting was very taken aback and said. I've never heard you know such an extreme case but of course there was a case that was national news about an eleven year old and ohio <hes> who was raped by twenty six year old who got pregnant when there was the the the heartbeat bill that passed so does he does not even follow news in <hes> in iowa around these issues and and yet he feels that he can opine about whether or not <hes> you know there should be a rape or incest exception. I think that you know these. These kinds of decisions should not be made by people like steve king. The these kinds of decisions should be made by the person who is affected by it and i think the this explanation that he has given us the sort of a historical explanation that we're all products of rape and incest. <hes> really doesn't cut it. Congressman dan i mean you worked worked with congressman king in in the house in private is he as offensive as he is seemingly willingly in public and i'm just wondering what you make of these these latest comments on a personal level it can be very gregarious and friendly but these remarks are just so outlandish. They're out of bounds sounds out of control. I mean you. You wonder if he's out of his mind. <hes> you know this this brings back you know the todd akin moments roy moore and trent franks who all made similarly ridiculous comments about rape or women <hes> and what happens now is of course other republicans get tagged by the democrats with these kinds of outrageous -rageous remarks just as republicans tag democrats when the squad or some democratic socialist says something absurd <hes> that's what's happening and frankly. I've been through this enough enough. I was there when people were talking about. These legitimate rape forcible rape rapes reported within forty eight hours in says should be illegal against minors but not against an eighteen year old we ridiculous things and the party has to get away from this stuff because it's killing us among women <hes> in this country particularly suburban women and hurting us so recruit republican women candidates go yeah. I think it's killing you. Among sane people you know it's not just women and the problem with however nice. He is in private. He has in addition to these kinds of comments. He has a long history of veer only racist comments hence you know i mean really i mean it's it's gone on for so long. It's gone on as long as i've been following him. <hes> in the news and this is something that the republican party has tolerated and even to invoke the squad as if they could even be anywhere in the same realm of of steve king i mean we can argue separately if if they should even if the criticisms or even valid against them but even if they were like you cannot even mention them in the same breath with steve king and the republican party has gone after these women you know who referred to as the squad <hes> you know for making a comment here or comment there. This is a man in who has a long record of of of making virulently racist comments. He has been out open about his racism and now he is talking about <hes> just saying crazy things. I don't know what else to call this crazy things about one of the worst things that can happen to a woman or to a girl <hes> to have to face an unwanted pregnancy that is the result of either being raped by a family member or by another person your congressman. Does it surprise you that he continues to get reelected. I mean i know it's a co- clearly a conservative area but you know there are sensible people people i. I've always been surprised he's been able to hang on. He represents western iowa very conservative area. This is an overwhelming coming in republican constituency but he's had some tight races. He has a very serious primary now because of this and other issues and i agree with carson like this is out of bounds i mean this. This is crazy and i think most republicans want him to go away that means. They wanted to resign but he's not going to do that. They've defrocked them <hes> but he you know he he is one on and <hes> it's. It's surprising that he has but i think he's finally he's gonna probably at the end of the end of the line this time i think they're gonna get him in the primary. We'll see shirley. Thank you <hes> comparisons. Well just had more breaking news philadelphia police in that standoff at least at least one suspect after six officers were shot. We'll have the latest the cases we gotta find who wrote this. No we do that. We find the killer. The science defined out police used luminol a chemical which glows when it comes into contact with the iron component in blood d- drama where was the rifle and which richmond was telling the truth forensic files the legendary true crime show is now a podcast join investigators instigators as they take on the toughest cases with cutting edge scientific tools subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes every monday and thursday thursday. You'll never miss out on getting your forensic fix. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure. You're winning dot com slash c._n._n. Again our breaking news from philadelphia and act <hes> standoff for the suspect after six police officers were shot and wounded to go quickly back to jason carroll. Who's on the scene all sorts senior justice correspondent evan president washington so jason when this first started there were reports of continued gunfire that those gunfire went on for at least three we hours according to the twitter reports by police are you. Has there been more recent gunfire since the commissioner spoke well. It's been a bit of a lull in the gunfire but as you can see just about two blocks down the road. They're the activities still very much there. The the building in question is actually caro- house on the left side of your screen and police negotiators are trying to interact with the suspect there but they've been met by gunfire sunfire in the past and now they've been met by silence just a bit of a tick tock recap of what happened here anderson. It was just about at four thirty five and that's twin officers came to the scene <hes> trying to serve a warrant narcotics officers. Were the ones who responded. They were met by gunfire. Some of the officers had to jump uh out of windows in order to get away from the gunfire then the calls came in calls coming in for backup. More officers swat came down philadelphia. Police came down down here is well swatted coming in as the suspect continued to fire them. The calls came in about officers being injured. I was to than it was four than it. It was five now. Six officers injured their injuries not said to be life threatening. We're also told that a seventh officer was injured. He was trying to get out here at the scene and was caught. Aww been an accident. His injury said did not to be life threatening as well so well. All of that is going on police. Were trying to engage with the suspect the suspect returning fire over and over again at one point. We got a report that two officers were inside and are still said to be inside. I barricaded inside that row house with three prisoners that they are holding so what you have at this point is the standoff still underway police still trying to engage with this suspect the suspect returning fire but for the last forty minutes or about an hour so they've been met with silence and when you say engaged they've been trying to talk to verbally engage to try to get this guy out or there may be two people. They're they're not willing to save for short. Just one person that is correct <hes> at this point that they're trying to they're trying to give out as much information as they can and without giving away too much information at the same time for reasons that we can. We can all understand understand but once again at this point. You've got a lot of people out here. A heavy police person said that still out here and again as it gets darker it becomes harder in some ways to engage to to see what's actually going on but the weight is on as we continue to see what happens next anderson will continue to come back to you. Obviously we'll talk evan <hes> <hes> it just from a i'm wondering if you're hearing anything else in the fact that they still don't know or can't say whether it's one shooter or two usually early on and people an active shooter situation people often say it's it's too based on eye-witnesses and those are confused eye-witnesses. It's interesting that they're still not sure exactly what they're you're dealing with right. Anderson really gives you a sense of how much of a tactical advantage the shooter or shooters have here. I mean they know the layout of this building building bhai now. I'm sure the police have pulled some of the <hes> the blueprints for this building so they know what they're dealing with or what they what they possibly could be dealing with but you know this is an urban environment there are people landlords who will make alterations and maybe not reported to the city so they have to take all of that into consideration before they try to enter of this building and of course you have the additional complication of of two officers who appear to still be barricaded inside that building now <hes> according to the police commissioner in the last hour. He said that they believed that. Those officers are fine <hes> they have to they. Perhaps have some kind of way to communicate with those people but but you know that makes things. There's a lot more complicated. The fact that it's nightfall <hes> anderson i think makes it perhaps more tactical advantage of advantage for the police because they have gear to operate operate in the dark right jason jason carroll on the scene evan press in d._c. Monitoring thank you very much want to check in with both of you later on up next one one on one with stephen colbert late night is like in the trump era and i just are we rolling. We're rolling. Hey ladies guess what what c. n. N.'s got a new podcast. What's it about. We're talking movies with award. Winning actors actors directors costume designers. Tell me more tell me more sandra you want more. You gotta subscribe to lisa sandra and kristen go to the movies. Wherever you you get your favorite podcasts. I think it's about time for my close up lisa sweetie. It's a podcast. They can't see you thursday t._n._t. 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That's that's how i ended my day and nuts a handful of not just got a little bit and i'm going to stay in the suit binge out right and there are there are a few panelists that i just. I can't skip over. I gotta i gotta skip over some of the gucci gucci now. It'll be one of them. What's amazing to me anything you ever asked him that. You thought i'm going to get an honest answer. I'm going to get something that santo arm wooden say his answers or the jack kingston instant wooden say his answers are very thought out in terms of the grammatical structure of them and can be confusing which i think is part of the strategy okay. If any other person in an administration in prior administration had rewritten the words of emily harris poem which presidents from time memorial have quoted with great reverence it would be an outrage it would be people's heads would explode understandably because it is a fundamental bedrock bedrock <hes> marker of who we are yes there is there are physical constitution and then there's our physical bill of rights and the physical declaration of independence but also this emotional constitution that america has there's an emotional reality that we all share that makes us all americans and one of them is things like the <hes> the new colossus the palm lahser throats on the on the statue of liberty and i mean you see we're constantly being told by this administration. You don't see what what you see. You don't hear what you hear now. They're saying you don't feel what you feel. You don't actually feel that and you don't actually believe that. This is a nation of immigrants you called president trump <hes> a heretic reality reality a heretic reality you know as as a as a as a raised a catholic the greatest send is is actually heroism because not only do you our own lawyer you astray from the right path. You're inviting. You're encouraging other people to come with you on that path specifically harrison proselytizing for the devil and the punishment for heretics is red hot iron coffins in dante's inferno. The era has called this. I think that's the part of the level of hell that they're in so it's pretty bad and <hes> <hes> doesn't get much worse than the worst spot treatment and <hes> he our president wants wants to live in a fantasy world where only the way he perceives the world is is the way it is the only things that sort of serve his vision and he's also trying to convince us that that is the only world that exists it's extremely solar all of cystic but he's also trying to invite us into this madness that he has and that is that's harassing against reality that is proselytizing for the most selfish and the basis instincts that the american people like all people have but he is not appealing to the better angels of our nature. I've heard you say that the thesis uh of your show has become essentially hey. You're not crazy right right. That's that's the audience is not crazy. How you feel is actually how you feel. How you think is actually how you think what what you see is actually happening. 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Is Home Affairs too big?; also Rana Mitter on China's new nationalism

Between The Lines

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Is Home Affairs too big?; also Rana Mitter on China's new nationalism

"This is an ABC podcast. Hello Tom Switzer here and welcome to between the lines. Well, another bad week for some Australian ties indeed relations between camera and Beijing have plunged today worse in arguably half a century and this is after two Australian journalists fluid and a third was charged with endangering security to say China is a nation pumped up on nationalism. Well, that's an understatement. Isn't it? Later on? We'll delve into Chinese nationalism and find out how World War Two helped shape the national psychology on mainland China. But I intelligence. Well, you'd have to be living under a rock not to notice that Australia, is radically different security environment than walls just two years ago. The Prime Minister he's locked into the situation to the nineteen thirties, and in the last six months, we've seen a massive increase to the budgets for defense and our intelligence agencies. Now, the external threats are undeniable. You just think of the rising power of China, but are we at risk of undermining our political freedoms by expanding the powers of security agencies too much. Hell big and powerful. Should we let security agencies get? And what kind of oversight exists to ensure that the intelligence is not collected or used for political purposes? What do you think we'll pay the redwoods is the former official historian and the author of several award winning books. He's most recent one is called law politics and intelligence a law of Robert. Hope. Welcome back to the show painter. Thanks very much tom thanks for having me and just into carol she's a visiting fellow and senior research fellow at the national. Security, college it you good to be with you again just enter right to be thanks Tom. Now let's start with the hope commissions in the seventies and eighties Peter. This is your faces take us back to that time. Why are those commissions so important well between the mid seventies in the mid eighties over ten year period three successive Prime Ministers Whitlam Fraser and Hoke commissioned the same man just as good hope to conduct major inquiries into the intelligence agencies What he set up was not just not just any inquiry into a agency in Asia was the declared one and quite controversial that he set up a whole system for the agencies. Sitting out what each what agencies Australia needed, what each one should do, and what should not do how they should interact with each other, how they should interact with departments with individual ministers with the cabinet and cabinet committees and with the international partners Those we now know is five is and he emphasized a number of things. He particularly emphasized the intelligence system should serve the whole of government and not be unduly influenced as it was when he started by one or two very powerful departments, and towards that end, he said that should be a central coordinating agency which would only be invoked with assessment and he allocated collection assessment and dissemination different agencies. this one would be only concerned with assessment on like the American CIA and with its the independence of its. Assessments guaranteed by legislation. To, be independent from ministerial oh departmental. Precious. and. He said a of other things about the relationships between intelligence and lure enforcement agencies. Keeping Intelligence and policy making separate keeping intelligence and law enforcement separate were among the the basic principles. Okay. So that's the Robert Hope Recommendations are they now under threat from a new model? That's being pushed by Markle Zula. He's the secretary of Home, affairs I mean either growing risk that intelligence will become politicized or what happened was in twenty chain the then Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull May to announcements on the same day which I think pulled in different directions. One was accepting the recommendations have been very good report on Michael was strange and Stephen Merchant, which among many other things said that Central Agency should be upgraded to become the office of National Intelligence with a clearer and stronger role in coordinating intelligence from all different agencies. Before it went to the the policymakers and that agency is under the ambit of the the portfolio, Prime Minister and Cabinet, which symbolizes it it central role. But at the same time they announced and l'estrange and mentioned way to wear this. This was coming the creation of home affairs which consolidated a large number of intelligence insecurity and law enforcement agencies all under the one department which cuts directly again stat thrust of the of the hope inquiries that you shouldn't have one department. So influential. So we now have what's called the national intelligence community, a total of ten agencies five of them come under the portfolio of Home Affairs, and this blurs the lines between intelligence and policy making. It's not good for intelligence assessments to be unduly influenced by what they call the. preordained policy priorities and preferences of one area of government. And that I think is precisely the danger that this, the creation of home affairs is establishing. Paid is not alone he just enter I mean other scholars have said it's more difficult to ensure proper oversight with so many agencies under the home affairs. Deep mental structures. The question here is just into his home for his too big. Well, it certainly a very large organization and it's one of the largest in this new Central Agency portfolio. So. The question really eases the home affairs portfolio. Effectively, and appropriately, and by appropriate main in accordance with days. Foundation principles that pay just touched upon that were established by justice hype and really Bain the guiding. Lot for the role of intelligence and security in Australia, as a liberal democracy. So these foundation principles. Put in place by hope and reinforced by a series of independent intelligence reviews. Pages just mentioned the most recent in two thousand seventeen, but they very much focused on ensuring that we strike a balance between effective security dealing with increasing threats and increasing diversity of threats while also ensuring that this is clearly in the service of liberal democracy that has human rights as its founding point and that that balance typically isn't native. Liberal democracy, it's always ongoing. So the the sticky issue he as pay to has mentioned is that our most recent independent intelligence review, which is the long-term considered overall picture review fairly regularly held refusal. So in the past past twenty years was the opportunity to look where agencies had gone with the threat had manifest to how to best organize these things in terms of dealing with the threat having effective security and having a balance, and of course, that consideration didn't include this. Very significant new portfolio bringing in immigration the ACO in the portfolio. Pity you heard Jason into their how would you respond to her argument? Yes. the Hamath is a idea was first mooted back when Labor came in one, they two, thousand, seven election and with the proposal for something that was in muddle on the American Department of Homeland Security, and that was put up to a report by Rick Smith a highly respected public servant foam, secretary of defense among other things. WHO said that? This was not the model we should be following what we really needed was to have these various agencies. Each developing high level skills in their respective areas, and then being nimble, enough and flexible enough to collaborate as necessary according to the demands of the time because the the way different agencies have to collaborate like Boda, the border force and. Police and Asia, and so forth is different when you're dealing with terrorism for example, compared with when you're dealing with a pandemic, the home affairs supposedly modelled on the British Foreign Office. It's not really appropriate. I, think for the Australian setting and it cuts, it was actually recommended against by a will would of the will argue independent report in two thousand. and. Eight. Okay. But what about the Australian Stralia Signals Directorate just into back in the old days we used to talk mainly about Asia but these days everything happens online and the agency with the most rapidly growing powers is the ISD and of course that was in the news a Euro. So ago when it landed the Cambridge journalist and Smith US INTO HOT WATER Is Ice tea getting too powerful Jason Carroll well as state. Starting. Signals Directorate previously, the Defence Signals Directorate has. A long history that starts be the around the Second World War being card breaking unit. Much luck. We say in the British and the American experience, and that of course is very clear when you're at war, you have certain technical interceptions that need to be made and that that's moved into a ISD in more recent years being a Foreign Farkas signals intelligence service, and that's all very neat because again, going back to the principles of Australia's security, there are different things that the government and do in terms of foreigners than it can do intensive at signs citizens way law enforcement is priority. What's happened recently is that the security threat and indeed threats criminal and others are increasingly happening online and in the sauber environment in them. In the seventies and the eighties and when I s as role became more public. So what's happened in the last couple of years again, since I stay has become a statutory authority is that it has taken pragmatically I roll to use its particular technical skills and capabilities to assist other agencies win needed. So for example, to assist Saba crime investigation across a whole range of crime types including obviously scams as well as sexual exploitation online and others, and that that's a very pragmatic use of that capability. Again, the talk of thing that was not only Recommended the independent intelligence review but a capability that Rick Smith and others when they've conceded, how do we deal with all of these different agencies envisaged as they've undertaken reports and reviews over the past twenty years So. What's happening now is that is day's coming to the fore. In, some proposed legislation that would allow it to be able to use. It's very intrusive incapable powers to assist other legal entities, site various police forces, and criminal investigation units and others. To Under. Warrant undertake investigations to support them. So this is a good thing in that it's not expanding the SADA offensive and defensive capabilities into other agencies. But again, it's potentially using a very significant capability in areas that it hasn't been used before and including in the domestic environment. So as this evolves, we need to have a lot of scrutiny and sought either the mechanisms under which this would be allowed final question to you just into because you're eight every submission to the parliamentary. Inquiry. A you confident that we have the balance between secrecy and transparency road look. It's an interesting question Tom, and certainly before they the very high profile search warrants execution the rides on journalists in the I base. Say I thought that they balance in the powers and also the very live mechanism that we have of review will sufficient. So the review mechanisms and oversight mechanisms include an Inspector General Intelligence, insecurity Commonwealth and State. Ombudsman. For Non, intelligence agencies and independent national security legislation monitor who does exactly what the job says can earn Martian look at any laws of concerns or any cases of concern, and also very active parliamentary joint committee on Intelligence and. As. Well, as you normal things call, it's Senate committees inquiries and so on. However what's happened through in the in the aftermath of these rights is, of course, we had a very good, very far-reaching press freedom inquiry by parliamentary joint committee it attracted a very high number of public submissions from individuals but significantly from meteor ortganizations, media focused legal areas, human rights, lawyers, and others, and what I saw in those additions very well meaning was that there isn't a high level of understanding of Hell stuyvesant mechanisms work How whistle blow is may raise concerns without. Compromising security and what I take from that isn't necessarily that the fault lies with. Those people who are making the admissions, all those organizations. In a responsible government, which is the fullness of liberal democracy we have it is actually the the responsibility of government to communicate, and inform and educate the public about how Paulo being used. Particularly those that might affect individuals. It's quite difficult to navigate for the average punter an understanding of what our laws are hell they. The this oversight accountability is ensured. Are we mostly work on the security side? I do understand the threats understand the complexity of issues that these agencies in the many Publics Evans across the board whether be in uniform or not. Whether be at Federal State or working in industry but he's very important that as we deal with these threats and use very significant POWs in doing so that we always remember to be open to the people who are served by these officials by governments and I'm not sure we've got the balance right yet. That was just into Carol visiting fellow and Senior Research Fellow at the National Security College at I knew and paid a Edwards. He's the author of law politics and intelligence a life of Robert. Hope a decent between the lines with Thome Switzer. Making sense of Australia's place in the world. Will we've recently marked the seventy fifth anniversary of the end of World War Two and event, which still shapes the world and how we in the West understand our role in it but we really he stories from one of the most important. Allied countries in the warm talking about China it's interesting. Isn't it? Next. Guest argues that in the last few decades, China has been revising the way World War Two fit into its national culture, a project which underpins China's more assertive international prisons. Ron Meter is the director of the university China's Center and professor of the history and politics of modern China at the University of Oxford. He's new book is called China's good war how World War. Two shaping a new nationalism run working to between the lines. It's a real pleasure to be on the program. Now, the story of China's involvement in World War Two. It's not very well known in the West. I. Think most people couldn't even give a decent outline of China's role or how many Chinese died even even please do provide a brief overview absolutely, and you're right to say that I think it's fair that the China Theater is probably the single list well understood seater of World War Two of all of the. Major areas of combat. So free privilege just was thinking about a few quick statistics on on what happened where it self was. The longest war broke out in nineteen, seventy seven and wait till nine, hundred, forty, five, of course, during that time more than ten, million, Chinese military and civilian were killed during the course of the war burst in combat. But also disease disasters pool the other things that came with the war and always more than that. You might say something. Like eighty to one, hundred, million Chinese became refugees in their own country. So it was a really devastating event but one fact that we should also bear in mind and this is something that I think less than is really should remember during the height of that war all the way to fill harbor at the end of nineteen forty one Chinese resistance Chinese, troops were holding down over half a million Japanese troops who otherwise could have been redeployed. You notified the Soviet. Union to invade British India to head into southeast. Asia. So when we think about the whole complete arena of World War, two in Asia Chinese resistance to the Japanese of wooden Ford half years alone before actually Western allies came in is really important episode of the war and we know more about indeed and you argue that at least until recently China's is national self image was primarily shaped during the Cold War How howdy China see itself in the mount see to. One of the reasons that we know less than we might do about roller well to is actually ironically the government of Kevin meltsa adultery during the Cold War years actually Rolls Limited heavily limited discussion of what happened in World War Two. So they did talk about their own contribution, the guerilla warfare for which the Communists became pretty famous, not just in China, but around the world but he didn't talk about the one historically embarrassing fact that was actually that old opponents, the nationalist government or coming down as they were learning. Chinese of Changcai shake the actually did the vast. Majority of the battlefield fighting in places like Shanghai, cities like Chandra Goto these will actually plays with Communist, but he didn't have much of a role. So it wasn't until the one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety S, and the the thowing of the Cold War that the communist government in China was willing to talk about other people, nationalists, Americans. British. And others who contributed to the allied victory as well. Well, that is fascinating. So the main battles you're sighing afford essentially by the nationalists who of course, when they lost the civil war they fled to most, which is known as Taiwanese. Rana does this mean that the nationalist Senchenko shake have they been rescued from the dust bin of Chinese history how they been rehabilitated set the most stitching historical changes in China in the last Certainly. Thirty years or so and I'd say even more. So actually within just the last few years rehabilitation of the old enemies ofgem now the Chinese nationalist on the Schenker shake. So we have to remember these guys who mount defeated in the epic civil war between the two sides between nine, forty, six, hundred, forty, nine, I mean exited Taiwan. There are pretty much seen the devil in Connor waiting offshore to reinvade China. So they had to be essentially a very significant change in the way that China thought about itself which began in. The one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety S in which actually in many ways, China. was very disillusioned with the political disaster of the Cultural Revolution of the Sixties and seventies when China essentially going to war with itself and they were looking for a new different sorts of patriotic narrative. The could bring everyone together whether there'd been communist anti communist nationalist, whatever it might be and what will to really fitted the bill. So in doing that the actually stating that they were openly doing this decided to rehabilitate of those battles many of those. Events that are taking place between nine, hundred, Eighty, seven, and forty five when not the communists. But then nationalist opponents had actually been in charge of the fighting and this meant that for the first time a much will. Actually, much more objective view of China's World War. Two. History began to appear in China and to this day that broader a broader partition, all the wartime history bringing all of the parties who Ford, as well as those who actually supported the Japanese is now much more disgust in China it's not just a story about communists this but whereas Taiwan fit into this renewed celebration of China's Rawling World War. Two. Taiwan fits into a really interesting place essentially in various but depending on WHO's in power in Taiwan. Taiwan of course is. With claimed by the mainland as an integral part of the territory which they want to get back when the pro nationalist. Combing tongue are actually empower which most recent was about five years ago actually relations with the Chinese mainland have become quite warm and actually I know from my own experience of being in the summer of two, thousand, fifteen, the seventy, th anniversary of the end of world war two entire Bay the plenty of scholars even the artificial from the mainland went over to basically join in with the Taiwanese commemoration all that shared experience of World War Two which they commemorate but the current ruling party in Taiwan. The Democratic People's Party DP is much more in favor of autonomous even independent. Better that are shed idea that the shared history of global to his part of this. But this is historical has piece of embarrassment from that point of view, which is the many Taiwanese during the period because colonial citizens of Japan, and they actually fought in the war on the Chinese side, but the Japanese side. This is between the law and on Ibiza ready national helping you make sense of Australia's place in the. Well, my guest is Oxford Historian Ron mid. He's the author of a new book. It's called China's goodwill how World War Two shaping a new nationalism. Now according to China's revise interpretation of Modern History Rana. War Two didn't get started in Asia when Japan struck pill, how this would have been nine forty one it started much earlier either with the Manchurian crosses in the thirties or at least at the start of the Sauna Japanese war in one thousand nine, thirty seven why is pushing back the start date? So important if you want to summarize why this topic of what will two is so important in China today, it's because actually the war has never really been history John. It's always been current affairs and Louis links to the way in which China thinks about itself in backyard. So after my simply say that the dating of the war if it's extending start from the invasion of Manchuria by the Japanese in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty one, then you can actually argue the world. War Two and Japan's war against China. Lost it not just for eight years ninety seven when it breakout on the mainland until I forty five actually for fourteen years. Powell very powerful rhetorical weapons on which you can basically say look how hard we suffered. We the Chinese fought harder and longer and suffered more than any other allied power in World War Two and if you're making the ultimate was China is today the not just the Americans that the. Should also be able to a big say in the shaping of more than Asia because they fought and bled and sacrificed to died during the second world experience than saying for longer one anyone else is concept that rhetorical. Strategy such an important subject I bet your bottom dollar of young people don't even that China like Franz by the wife was an occupied palate during the wall question here is how does this new revised history deal with Japanese occupation tells more about that It's an incredibly sensitive subjects over but really interesting one in previous books including it was this one. I've done a little bit to talk about how that topic of collaboration bit like. Vichy Franz for those you know European history term operates the. Very. Short answer is the it's really talked about relentless of horrible embarrassing part of history but we coming to see the occasionally people wanting example one of China's best TV interview has man in China surpassed was the same as as you artist radiant new suede. And he basically actually wrote publicly that he could see the point of people like the nationalist leader went over the Japanese Michael One gene way he said it is sometimes you have to understand that when people don't know what's going to happen history Japan's invaded. Nobody's coming to help China the years that say nine, hundred, thirty looks like China's going to be defeated. Maybe someone needed to go and have those negotiations with Japan to try and bring about at least some sort of peace to stop the bombs falling now today often ninety, nine, hundred, forty. Five. We know that the one by the Allies and the course that looks like a treacherous in very mistake move but there are a few voices out there in Chinese. Say let's look at it from the point of view of those you have to make the decision time rather than in retrospect. So still highly controversial subject but one which does a small limited amount of debate even now going on in China let's bring this to the present here in Australia as I'm sure you well away we've been on the receiving end of this new wolf. Diplomacy, which basically describes the very straaten and bellicose statements recently made by. Chinese diplomats. Now I, know you have some time for John Me Thesis He's a passed on this program. So to grime alison that China's revisionist palace seeking regional dominance in global reach question do you see that as the logical extension of China's new nationalism this new? Wolf Warrior diplomacy? Actually don't entirely although the wolf worry diplomacy does very kind of aggressive language that's being used to countries like Stralia towards the UK actually recently, as well as the United States is something that we're seeing quite a lot of I think it's worth understanding the legacy of world two in China's own words is something different and more cooperative if we can actually track it down and basically put their own woods to, you'll see the people from Xi, Jinping Donald. So one either for Minister of China begun around the world saying that one of the biggest legacies of China's participation of World War Two is that China was not just one of but the first signatories to the United Nations Johnson Remember around the United Nations Charter back in ninety five that quickly became Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which was co written by Chinese John the international trade organizations that today all of that is a product of will would to the Chinese really want to. Keep keep hold off. So I would say the actually will go back to China should remind him that own commitments to the legacy of World War Two being genuine corporations. National Government in that world will will goof worried close he does not fit in its aggressive it's pointless. It doesn't help instead let's remind the Chinese themselves about that pledge of cooperation and that I think is the real lesson of China's. About China's ability to compromise on issues lock it's climb oversight, the South China, sea or Hong. Well, I think in those areas, we have to be very, very clear a liberal world hair which restraining the UPS members in make it clear that research areas where we have absolutely of the right to speak out I mean goal is one of those. The South China Sea is another the reason being quite simply will put this Chinese that China is now a global power like the United States and global power have to act with global responsibility they simply go out there and do they want. And that's old several lesson of World War Two, it's about taking responsibilities as well as simply claiming credit commemoration, we should always remember the Chinese contributions. Will we do? We do badly when we forget it, we should also remember the lesson of that is that global powers have to be Global Cooperative Palace, and that's just as important to China as it is for the US or any other country. Rana meter he's the professor of the history and politics of modern China at the University of Oxford, and his new book is called China's good war how World War Two is shaping a new nationalism. Well. That's it for another week of between the lines here on our in I'm Tom Switzer, I've continuing again next time. You've been listening to an ABC podcast discover more great. ABC podcasts, live radio and exclusives on the ABC listen APP.

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A Filipino Familys Escape From Poverty Offers Lessons On Global Migration

The Diane Rehm Show

28:55 min | 1 year ago

A Filipino Familys Escape From Poverty Offers Lessons On Global Migration

"Ah high it diane on my mind. Globalization word is often used to describe the movement of goods money aetna ideas a new york times journalist. Jason parl wanted to think about something else. People depart calls migration the defining story at the twenty first century with two hundred fifty eight million migrants scattered across the globe transforming economies politics and culture. He tells that story new book a good provider is one who leaves and he follows three generations that filipino lupino family from the slum in manila who is suburban cul de sac outside houston. Jason carroll joins me in the studio to share the story and to explain why our country's current conversation about immigration so badly misses is the mark jason two parallel. It's great to have you here. Thank you so you known tone the family at the heart of your or for three decades. Wow tell us a bit about about how your relationship began. I was a young reporter. Living in manila. I had an interest in shantytowns and <hes> wanted to move in and try to to get more intimate view. I went to a non who lived and worked in a slum called love arista and answered help me find a family. I wasn't interested in migration. I wasn't thinking about migration. I was thinking about poverty in the developing world but migration was how the family survived. The father of the family i lived with was a guest worker. In saudi saudi arabia going for two years of time. The mother was home raising the kids on the money he sent back in. All five of those kids wound up becoming overseas workers like their father said they came up vehicle for exploring the rise of global migration. Tell me about that. I was fascinated with her sister. Christine tam was probably the most famous this none in the philippines. She was a friend of the new president cory aquino. She was on the commission writing a new constitution. <hes> i called her up and said i was interested in <hes> <hes> coming to talk to her about slum poverty. She growled. Call me back in a couple of months. I'm busy. I managed to go see her and persuaded her to try to approach a family for me and came back a few days later thinking she would have screened someone to see if they would be interested in taking on a border and instead. She grabbed me and lead me through the alleys then auctioned off on the spot. What do you mean shouldn't you. I knew just enough to golic to understand what she was saying. Which was you saw the first person she recognized recognize and said hey. This guy wants to move in independent his sister. It's not possible cannot be and she did that. To the second woman in the third woman was struck mute of she was was too slow to say nothing to say no and sister christine stocked off and said <hes> don't cook him anything special if he gets six too bad and left me there with <hes> tita komodos who became my lifelong friend. Tell me how old you were at the time. I was twenty six and you were ready to do this. I don't it was ready to do it. I did yeah it was hard. Diana was <hes> immune in retrospect. It was the best experience of my life. I developed a lifelong friendship with his family but at the time it was <hes> lonely and i wasn't quite sure what the where it would go or what the purpose of it was that i thought maybe it lasts a week or two when i move on tell me about how you lived with this family. What did it look like tita had a two room shack which which was pretty large by leveraging standards among the poor people of this shantytown she would have been in the upper level because her husband was guestworker guestworker overseas so few of the houses in leverage that had toilets hers because her husband had been able to add one after he went abroad he was making ten times uses manila wage by going saudi arabia. <hes> tita had five kids. She and the kids slept upstairs. She had a couple of relatives who were boarding downstairs. Men who who had come into manila to go to school and i slept on the floor downstairs with them in so her husband ahead already gone too early before for you did he was on his third two year contract by the time i arrived so the family was substantially better off and that's why sister christine steered me toward them. When i talked to her she said living in leverage a wooden work <hes> because americans need toilets and most homes in levies don't have them but titas wasn't exception so so how did the family receive you extraordinarily generous and emmett came home of the husband came home three or four months into my day day and of course i was a little nervous how this man would react when he came home found. Some american guy was sleeping on his floor and <hes>. I was out of the country. When i came home went when i got back he bought me a cake as low as a welcome home president what about food and making food komo around for these people <hes> well. I paid broom board to to make try to make sure i didn't impose a financial burden erdan <hes> but this is a moment. I was keeping a journal and tita got interested. The fact that i was keeping a journal so <hes> i bought her a notebook and somewhat to my surprise she she started keeping one too so really we were taking notes on each other and at one point my journal says i woke up this morning and <hes> tita hit made me a fish fish head for breakfast and near the first thing i saw is sat down to table. Is this big fish. I looking up me and titas said <hes> i went to the market this morning and bought what jason a fish he liked it. I'm so happy and what about the children. What were they doing. How old were they at the time. The oldest was a seventeen and the youngest was about five. The one i grew closest to was the middle child rosa lee. She's the protagonist the book she was a fifteen year old school girl when i met her. She's now a forty eight year old mother of three and a registered nurse houston outside where she was going. The school were all high school time. His school were all older children in school. They were at that time. <hes> there've been a time when the family couldn't afford books and uniforms for rose lease older sister and they wanted her to drop out and she secretly went behind their back to sister christine gene <hes> be and sister pristine gave her the money to stay in school. Wow titas sixth grade education emmett had less than that. I see it us an awfully hard for the family to lose papa to saudi arabia even though there was stem money to support them coming back roselli's older sister ruina was born with a congenital heart defect she almost died as a baby and was sick throughout her life and the family needed medicine that they couldn't afford one point emmett was a religious man got down on his knees and ask god lord either. Take this child or let me have her. Please make a decision lord. Whether you're gonna let this child live and god answered it in a mysterious way a a few weeks later and that got the job offer in saudi arabia at ten times as manila wage so for him it was a chance to save his daughter's life pretty the and massive kind of incentive to go to for doing exactly the same work yeah. He was a pool maintenance man in manila's pullman. It's man in saudi arabia by so how do people in manila get recruited to a place as distant as saudi arabia. The philippines means is the country that does the most encourage people to immigrate to go overseas in most places. If someone goes abroad as individual decision. The government doesn't have anything to do with it. The philippines set up a bureaucracy to mark. Its workers overseas to help set up contracts with foreign corporations to process them. The president's celebrate them as national heroes for the money. They send back. I actually went to the airport once with the philippine president as she stood on a red carpet and handed out cookies <hes> at christmas to welcome visiting workers back home migration is to the philippines what what cars once were to detroit. It's the civil religion it sell interesting wishing we hear about the immigration from latin america but not so much about the philipe so when you set out to do your research y focus on the philippines really went the other way around. I focused on on the family. I didn't set out to write a book about migration. <hes> i mean most reporters start books by saying i'm interested in this subject only find a family and help explored which is a perfectly perfectly fine way to go about it. <hes> i found a family that i was interested in and it just happened that they led me to the subject of migration but my initial interest interest was <hes> their dignity and resilience and faith and courage that they showed road in the face of just awful developing world poverty <hes> it hadn't sapped their spirit and it was only after staying in touch for years. Here's that my focus shifted to migration may my my initial interest was was on there grace what about other individuals from philippians to have a huge migration into the united states from the philippines means. Yes the american immigration. Laws were rewritten in nineteen sixty five so this current wave of mass migration we have is a product of that and for most of the post nineteen sixty five period filipinos ranked second only to mexicans among the american immigrant population there now fourth behind mexicans chinese and indians hands but it's a huge population and it's largely invisible in part because they assimilate so well. They don't live in ethnic enclaves. They're largely middle class. They allegedly english speaking being there largely here <hes> legally there's a huge filipino migration in large part because the filters used to be an american territory so they're here <hes> in large part because we were there do talk about the number of filipinos going to for example saudi arabia and to many the other countries as well so it's a country that is happy to see. It said it's leave the the philippine newspapers run hundreds of stories a year about overseas workers half of them read like gold rush ads there about remittances setting new records about the condo. Oh boom about all you can buy with the money coming back and half read like human rights complaints about workers mistreated left asleep under bridges left asleep with dogs raped abused <hes>. It's two ideas in one. It's in it's in the mind of every filipino in exactly that way. When filipino goes abroad. She doesn't say i'm going to to make my fortune. She says i'm going to try my luck. That's the idiom. I'm going to try my luck. The overseas welfare workers administration which is the government organisation has ation charged with looking out for the wellbeing of overseas filipinos has a logo that combines the sun and the rain so how does saudi arabia. Hey bill rate as to how it treats. Its filipino workers not good not good. How could i may not good the biggest problems are with domestic workers who are mostly women and mostly work out out of public sight so rosalie went as a nurse for a nurse things are me. The situation is generally safe. You live dorms educate she was she was educated decatur win as a professional. She worked in a regulated environment. She slept in a dorm. She didn't have any problems but others in the family went as domestic mystic servants sometimes men as drivers and sometimes women as maids. There's constantly stories in the philippine papers about particularly sexual abuse rape <unk> of women mum but also workers being cheated out of their jobs not paid a branded with irons is a is a things they continue to go. The the alternatives are often worse. It's not that filipinos. Don't generally know the risks that as the point i was trying to make about the logo with the sun and the rain. I mean everyone recognizes. The risks and the risks are pretty thin so the risk of poverty dan i mean the the you know the risks of seeing your your child died because she doesn't have medicine or going without food or <hes>. The title of the book is a good provider. One who leaves came from <hes> roselli's roselli's aunts who was living in a nipah <hes> with her two children and seeing other people in the family go abroad and be able to come back and build cement block homes homes and she turned her husband and said you need to go to saudi arabia a good a good provider as one who leaves your day when i first started thinking about rowsley situation asian. I had the framework poor rosalie. She has to go abroad from her perspective. It was more. I'm lucky i get to go abroad. Not all the poor can go. It's the the upper strata of the poor who can afford to go. You have to be able to get a passport. You have to pass a medical exam. You often have to pay fees to the crooked. Middlemen people sell their farms. They sell their livestock. They go deep into debt for the chance to go abroad so rowsley not only got to go but she got to go as a nurse nurse as a professional so she was quite fortunate in the scheme of things so she was treated well. What about her father. He didn't have any particular problems but thiede. The mother of the family i lived with was one of eleven siblings in her generation nine when abroad or had a spouse who did and then you if you think of eleven siblings and a second generation there's forty five first cousins on one side of the family and i th- last count i think twenty four so had gone abroad <hes> yes so it's a large extended family and taken as a whole just about everything that could happened to a migrant good or bad has happened to somebody in the family. So what's the impact on a home country. Initially i was interested in the family alone but the light bulb moment to me when i discovered importance of migration in the world was in learning that remittances the sums that migrants send back to their family are three times the world's foreign aid budgets combined wow so if you're interested in poverty in the developing world. That's the anti-poverty the poverty program migration is the anti-poverty programme. Sometimes conservatives say that poor people need to do more to help themselves on migrants. Do that's what they're doing with. This family was doing and millions like him. So remains is ten percent of the filipino g._d._p. <hes> i i went to the philippines to do a story for the new york times on the impact of migration on philippine culture and i worried that it might be a little too subtle for an outsider to fully understand and then i rode past the philippine central bank were the years remittance tally was strung up in christmas lights so it's not subtle. This is a country that is nick deeply dependent on on the money from abroad so that money is then tax by the philippine government. No it's not it's not taxed as remittances. I mean it. It spent it's spent on education. It spent on healthcare. It's spent on housing so it's infused into the economy and taxed in that sense but it's the it's the a student aid program. If you want to go to college that's half of the people abroad are sending back money for tuition. It's the housing program and its healthcare program and when we come back more from jason to pearl join w._m._u.'s diane ream during the spring of twenty twenty for a cruise across the coast of australia and new zealand. You'll set sail aboard the cruise ship silver muse from auckland and crossed the tasman sea making stops in melbourne and sydney delve into the diverse history three of new zealand and australia and share the experience with w._m._u.'s diane ream. More information is at diane ream dot org now. Here's the rest of my conversation with jason. He's senior writer at the new york times and author of the new book titled. A good provider is one who leaves one family and my radiation in the twenty first first century so rosalie the daughter you've talked about becomes the central figure in the story talk about her migration story. If you were to sit in the shantytown of leverage sought when rowsley was a teenager and pick a a child who was gonna make it out of the slum. I don't think you would have picked rosalie home. She had friends who were more academically gifted. More outgoing seemingly tougher. Her rosalie was a b. student in high school. <hes> nothing showed any particular academic promise but the line on her transcript. I think most revealed. Her character wasn't her grades. It was her attendance in four years. She didn't miss a single day. <hes> she told me later the way she put it was in in high schools when i got grit and she did as a very very quietly very quiet persistence. She almost didn't get into nursing school. She almost flunked out nursing school. She had to pass take the american nursing. Test has three times should take the american english test five times and she just kept going for twenty years and never gave up. How good was the education and she had in the philippines. The nursing education is is quite good. The reason there are so many filipino nurses who come to the states is that the u._s. set up the nursing system there in the colonial administration. The rockefeller foundation arrived in about nineteen six and established the first american nursing school so they trained on an american curriculum. They trained in english and there's been a decades long. <hes> migration pipeline established so <hes> virtually every filipino nurse wants wants to come to the states. It's a it's a thing in the current. Context is one of the point. Maybe keep in mind about her. As a nurse which is that rosalie didn't take an american job. She went to a hospital in a community that had been hit by a hurricane and was rebuilding and the so many nurses had left galveston island highland. They couldn't lure them back even with bonuses so after years of trying the hospital finally went abroad hired twenty four nurses to come in and open a new ward so there's a a context in which in the current so a zero sum game framing that we sometimes hear about immigration you people. They're taking from americans. We'll rosalie didn't take another nurse's job. She filled a job hostile couldn't fill in doing so provided this life saving care so it does make one wonder to what extent that statement about taking jobs from other americans is really valid. There's forty four million immigrants brinson country. No one family can stand for them. All i think what rosalie stands for is the substantial part missing from the presidential twitter feed <hes>. There's a lot of different immigration stories out there. I think we overlook the ones success like hers now. Tell me how much of her income rose as late as april tis back home depending on where she wasn't appointed for career sometimes more than half i by the time she got to the states maybe third or so. She was providing health care for her aging parents. She was sending nieces nephews schools. Her sister was astill sick and couldn't work. She was supporting her <hes> the requests from home or just a unrelenting and one of the things i didn't fully realized until following so closely as just the amount of guilt that <hes> immigrants carry with them even when they're being very generous generous to the families as rosalie always was always a sense of guilt if she bought something for herself so her daughter whose was ten or eleven bought a doll and showed it on skype to one of the relatives back home and the relative complained. Why are you buying. Why are you spend the money could be sending it to me as a little girl. The barbie rb <hes> so imagine how rowsley felt when at the end of the book she buys a house in in a suburb of houston and it's obviously a source of great pride to her. It's a mark of her achievement in the united states but she's afraid to tell anybody back home about it because she's ashamed that she has so much more than them and she's also a little afraid that it'll it'll make them increased their demands for more money. It's a really a moat complicated emotion. I'd say so you began writing miss book before oh the negative rhetoric about immigrant actually began so how has that rhetoric affected your thinking about what's happening regarding immigrants to this country yet to the the extent. I had a framework for when it first started. It was wondering why immigration hadn't been as contentious in the united states has been in other other places legal immigration at least and trying to think through what was it about american economy culture history that made us more receptive or our forgive the word exceptional <hes> obviously that changed somewhere in the middle of the narrative and i had <hes> ref- reframe the question russian and wonder why this reaction hadn't happened earlier why was happening the way it did how deep it wentz what effect it would have on <hes> legal immigrants like rosalie. I mean a lot of those questions. Obviously are still we don't. We don't know the answer for a long time but it it it certainly changed the atmosphere around the story. The context were you helped rosalie to achieve what she finally achieved achieved talk about that. I guess honestly. I don't know how much of a role <hes> our friendship played. I there's no control group. I i can't look at a rosalie who didn't have an american journalist come land in her house and wonder if she would have gotten out the same the same way <hes> i think i encouraged her at times. <hes> you helped her is steady for her. When she needed a tutor. I was able to help her at at at the margins but i don't wanna detract from her own achievement. I think her resilience <hes> ambition was her own on me. My encouragement would have wouldn't have meant much if she hadn't had the drive her own absolutely alert like going yeah yeah but a little helping hand as it was reached out to you you then turned an henry out to her well. My relationship with her. Initially wasn't the arms length relationship of a journalist and a subject. I didn't an encounter her as a new york times reporter and decide to write about her and therefore we have a line drawn between us before i worked for the new york times i was a a young journalist i moved in and we became friends. So <hes> you know really it was a relationship that didn't <hes> didn't have a rule book. There's a moment where this became evident to me right. When she was leaving for the united states she had gotten her visa approved but she didn't have the visa in hand the the visa the the physical object that piece of paper and she was scheduled to leave the next morning and if she didn't get that day she was going to miss her plane she wouldn't get to texas and time you'll start orientation into new hospital. She theoretically could have even lost the job <hes> so i had an appointment at the embassy that day with a visa officer purely as a matter of reporting i wanted to learn more about the process and i sat there in the room and thought well if i mentioned something about this hung up in bureaucratically radically if i mentioned something about it maybe she can loosen and get rosalie the visa but i'm not there as an advocate went back and forth and even journalistically. I kind of would would have been a better story if she didn't get visas. It would have been something more interesting and revealing to write about that for all the talk of open borders even nurses who approved for visa. It's not such donovan bordering but then i thought gee is rose trying for twenty years to get to the states may twice so i'm eared <hes> you know i i sat there wrestle with for second. I mentioned that that <hes> she hadn't gotten the the visa hadn't come yet in the very kind. <hes> embassy employees got up and made a phone call and by the end of the day she had the visa so you do right that. President trump's policies are likely creating this permanent immigrant underclass us that everyone fears. Tell me how you see that happening. So people were opposed. Immigration worried that we're importing a foreign underclass the people who are undocumented with low skills who won't assimilate into our society will wind up <hes> unemployed in criminal in some way oy on well. It seems to me that what we really faces a risk of that becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you have the unprecedented the situation that we now have of eleven million people <hes> outside the law here here for many many years most of them but without the protections of of the law of american society then you know what better way we would there be to create an underclass so <hes> that in the harsh rhetoric of if you tell people long long enough and loudly enough that they're not wanted they they may start to listen to you so <hes> you know my hope is that this generation of immigrants and like generations past will by and large successfully assimilate <hes> even the poorest ones. My fear is that <hes> the policies at the president gonna that make it all the more harder for that to happen chase into pearl. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you diane and edsall ford today. Find us on facebook and twitter send his knee email d._r. Podcast at w._m._u. 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Ex-WH Chief of Staff John Kelly backs Mattis, says Trump divides; Trump invokes George Floyds name while taking economic victory lap; New scrutiny on police in America; Florida cases rise as Universal Orlando opens; Small cities from Biloxi to Missoula to Brockton protest; Understanding grief and trauma as protests rock the country;

The Lead with Jake Tapper

38:43 min | 3 months ago

Ex-WH Chief of Staff John Kelly backs Mattis, says Trump divides; Trump invokes George Floyds name while taking economic victory lap; New scrutiny on police in America; Florida cases rise as Universal Orlando opens; Small cities from Biloxi to Missoula to Brockton protest; Understanding grief and trauma as protests rock the country;

"This CNN breaking news. Welcome to the lead on this Friday on Jake Tapper and we begin with our national lead. Former trump White House chief of staff retired Marine. General John Kelly today, adding his voice to the chorus of former top trump officials, not just dismayed with President Trump's handling of the current crisis, but worried Kelly agreeing with former defense secretary. James Madison's withering assessment of trump as As someone who seeks to divide the American people someone not mature enough to run the country. Saying quote I think we need to look harder at who we elect. What is their character like? What are their ethics unquote right now? Protesters across the US are taking to the streets demanding change in the wake of George Floyd's killing at the hands of Minneapolis police. Officers, former officers currently remain behind bars and this afternoon. The Minneapolis City Council. Voted to ban the use of Chou Colts. This all comes as a number of other dramatic police confrontations drawing increased scrutiny, including this disturbing video from Buffalo New York officers knocking over an elderly man yesterday, causing him to fall back and hit his head. We're told he's currently hospitalized. The two cops involved have been. been suspended, but it's important to note. The department originally lied about this incident, falsely claiming that the seventy five year old tripped on his own and fell once again driving home, the point that smartphones exposing not only police brutality, but federal government lies about such abuses of power today New York's Governor Andrew Cuomo blasted the officers, saying that the video made him sick. CNN's Jason Carroll reports. Eleven days of nationwide protests, anger, outrage and a call for change after George Floyd was killed with the police officers neon his neck. This is the message on a street leading straight to the White House the words. Black lives matter now emblazoned in yellow. Paint. Part of that call for change renewed scrutiny on police in Minneapolis the city council, voting to ban the controversial chokehold and vowing to work towards systematic change in the department. All four former police officers in the department are in jail charged in George Lloyd's killing this as a growing number of disturbing police incidents on video are emerging. In Buffalo New York to officers have been suspended after seventy five year old protester was pushed and left bleeding on the ground and initial message from police described as a man who tripped and fell when I saw the video got sick to my stomach Oh my God no scary in Tacoma. Washington, a new video posted to social media appears to show officers violently striking manual Ellis as he lies on the ground. A second video also appears to show officers holding Ellis while he's on the ground and telling him to put his hands his back Ellis died after being physically restrained by police. His family is calling for four officers involved to be fired. That medical examiner ruled his death a homicide. Blessed Child. West news good. Deserve. To be. A, The, police. were. In Atlanta new video of a woman being body slammed by a police officer, breaking her collarbone at protests, may twenty nine, no word yet from the Atlanta Police Department of whether the officer involved Basil Disciplinary Actions. While the New York City last night, a small sign of hope as a police chief in Brooklyn de escalate a situation with protesters, but shaking hands and listening to an African American law enforcement officer. How does that make you? How does that sit with you well? I'm a black man but I love being a police officer, not resigning. T to make sure everybody's sake. And Jake today the governor announced his plans to introduce what he calls significant police reform legislation. It's called, say their name. Part of that legislation includes banning chokehold and also pointing the State Attorney General to independently investigate whenever allegations of police misconduct arise as for New York City New, York City still under eight o'clock curfew. Many of these demonstrators out here today say they plan on doing exactly what they did. In previous nights and March, right through it Jake. Or Jason Carroll in New York. Thank you so much joining me now to discuss his bishop td Jakes, he's the founder and senior pastor. At the Potter's House megachurches Dallas a bishop jakes. Thanks for joining us, you said this country is at a turning point right now. So where do we go from here? First of all thank you for having. It's a real pleasure to be here today. I think that we are standing on the precipice of either a great a rejuvenation or rebuilding restructuring of our company, or we walk away from it with the mile view of only saying it within the context of George Lord of Armand. Arbor in the other cases that we can so easily only thing. I want want to be clear that days. Are Disa- tip of the iceberg. Iceberg for all of the people who didn't have a camera who didn't have thirty two never made it to the breast. They're just an icon for me of other people in our community, and we have a lot of work to do, but I have never seen the rallying people. Amal races, cultures, ages and generations behind a 'cause like we have seen in recent weeks and I think that gives me hope that there is a possibility that we could get substantive change. I. WanNa play for you. What Atlanta mayor occasionally bottoms recently said if we could roll that tape. We are in the midst of a movement in this country. But, it's GonNa be a common upon all of us. To, be able to get together and articulate. More than anger. In your view, what does real change look like from a policy perspective? I'm so glad you asked me that. Because while the Marta has drawn attention to the issue in and the murder has drawn. The murderers have drawn attention to the issue. No real decisions are made on sidewalks or bridges. or or marching that it's a place where we galvanize attention. I think it's time to move into the second phase where we begin to I realized that this is not just about police officers in their behavior, it is about the entire criminal justice system. It is about the district attorney's and how they work. We do find police officers who are acting out improperly it is about returning the right to vote in the areas where returning citizens from the criminal justice system had the right to vote. It is about not CEO's making statements in writing small checks, but it is about them. Creating a way for returning citizens to have gainful employment so that they do not digress back into crime again. It is about looking very strongly at the way corps people of all colors are represented in the criminal justice system often stuck in the system with court appointed attorneys remanded over into the cord, never represented a fully talked into plea bargain deals and causes them to be incarcerated for years. We need a complete overhaul of the entire system. Just of what you're seeing on the sidewall. It's the gate of entry to what you're seeing on. The court rooms in in the jail sales all over America. And what about the people watching right now? Who aren't district attorneys who don't run Nike or the NFL? How do they? How do we former more perfect union? What do we as citizens need to do? There are two things that we're looking at here. One of them is racism, which is a condition of art, and the other one is injustice, which is a result of of imbalance of power, and we have to work both of them. I think one of one of the things that every citizen can do is whole. Our elected officials to a higher standard question them more deeply. About what agenda do they have for Black America how functionally let's look at the record in their history as it relates to how they. They have dealt with us in the past is not that we can forgive them, but we have to confront have a conversation about that, and you can also began by talking to people look differently from you rather than learning about us from your favorite news channel, and and when you write the books, you read the truth that you come up with is often skewed to one side, or the other, and I think we have to build those relationships. We looking for the change to come from the White House. House, they certainly have a role to play. I'm not excusing them of their responsibility Congress. The Gut does too, but what I'm saying in the streets of America is average. We the people standing up and joining hands at singing solves at working together to bring about massive change and I think that together we can. We have to look at the fact that seventy percent of black people that are incarcerated imprison are for non violent crimes, and we have to say that really make sense considering the fact that we incarcerate. Incarcerate more people in America than all the countries of the world combined. We have to look at the whole system is not working. We have take them off the stock exchange as stopped making big business out of locking up black people. That's just a nicer way to go. About slavery were still being bought, and so those types of things have to be addressed, and we need average people to look at it because you are the voters, and if you don't vote it in, we don't have to live with. All right Bishop TD, jakes inspiring words. Thank you so much for joining us today. We appreciate it. Thank you for having a great day. Coming up next the stunning remarks, president trump today, using George Floyd's named, plus the big cities make a lot of attention, but protesters filling the streets of towns coast to coast as well. We're going to take a look with us. In our politics lead today minutes before his former chief of staff, General John Kelly seem to assail his former bosses lack of character and ethics. President trump claimed today is a great day four George Floyd, the black man who had been killed in Minneapolis police custody last week. The president said that he hopes Floyd is looking down from heaven. Praising what's happening in the country right now? The remark came after the president said that every American should be treated equally by. By police comment seemingly get odds with his insistence. Just moments before the governor should use the national guards who quote dominate the streets during protests. CNN's Kaitlan Collins reports are also tense exchange at the White House. Today is the president celebrating the fact that the overall unemployment rate went down sniped yet again at PBS Newshour reporter you Michel Sender for questioning why the president was celebrating the economy when unemployment rates for black and Asian, Americans were only continuing to rise. After the unemployment rate unexpectedly dropped to thirteen percent president trump seized on the first good news. He's had months during a last minute address in the Rose Garden today. Everything that you've seen this morning unexpected. Even the pro sitting here would understand that. The president predicted that an economic turnaround could happen sooner than expected. and has acknowledged the unrest across the nation. He invoked George Floyd's name. Hopefully, Georgia's looking down right now and say this great thing that's happening for a country. There's a great day for him. It's a great day for. Everybody. The president hasn't held any listening sessions with leaders of the black community, but he claimed a rebound in the economy could address racial tension in the US. As trump was taking his victory lab, his former chief of staff that he agreed with the scathing assessment of his leadership by the president's former defense secretary. We need to look harder. At who we elect John Kelly said if he was still chief of staff, he would have argued against clearing the street protesters for the president's photo op at Saint John's Church. Argue. That the end result of that. was predictable as more of his former top aides turn into critics. The Wall Street Journal Editorial Board wrote that trump's demand for personal loyalty and his thin skin clash with people who care about larger causes that breaking point could have consequences for the president's support within the Republican Party. The GOP only has a three seat majority in the Senate, but after Senator Lisa Murkowski, said she was struggling with whether to support trump. Trump in November, he vowed to campaign against her and support any candidate with a pulse, and another feud may be brewing for the president today DC Mayor Muriel Bowser wrote a letter, requesting that he removed all extraordinary federal law, enforcement and military presence from Washington. DC trump responded by calling her incompetent and said if she doesn't treat the National Guard well then. We'll bring in a different group of men and women. Now Jake I. Want to point out something else that happened during that press conference today or the White House called it a press conference. The president did not take any questions. He just made a statement. But if you look at what was happening in the rose, garden before reporters made their way out there. You'll notice that. The chairs were set up according to CDC. Guidelines socially distance as they have been for weeks now and these multiple events that we've been having in the Rose Garden, where typically White House staffers come out and wear masks, but then if you look at this second photo, you'll. You'll see that those chairs were moved much closer together. Those reporters then were not following CDC guidelines. As the White House had set those cheers up, and they were instead very close together now the White House. Correspondents Association has put out a statement blasting this move by the White House saying that they were basically using reporters as a political prop during that event today by putting them so close together knowingly, and when they ask the White House press office why they had moved these chairs once they had been socially distanced to then putting them together, Jake. They said it was because it looks better. Well of course they were using reporters as a prop said it was a press conference and they didn't take any questions. That's that's exactly what they were doing I. Guess The question is. How long has the White House Correspondents Association? Going to continue to let this happen Kaelin Collins. Thanks so much appreciate it. An elderly protestors shoved by police, and then ignored why he bleeds on the sidewalk in Buffalo. We have some breaking news on the Buffalo Police. Stay with us. We have him breaking news for you now from Buffalo. New York where to local stations are reporting that fifty seven members of the police emergency response team. Buffalo have resigned in response to the suspension of the two officers. Those officers will stay on the forest, just not not as part of the team. Response to the video, the reservation or the suspension, rather of the two officers to officers are seeing pushing a seventy five year old man They were suspended now the fifty seven resignations. In alliance with those two, let's bring in CNN law enforcement analyst Charles Ramsey, who served as police commissioner in Philadelphia Police Chief in Washington DC also with me Dr Hunt. He's a professor of Sociology and African American, studies and dean of social. Sciences at Ucla Chief Ramsey let me just start with you and your reaction to these fifty seven officers resigning from the emergency. Response Team in support of those two officers who pushed the seventy five year old man onto the ground and then lied about it. Well then want to resign should resign from the department. They don't have a vote in what unit they're in running that department they would not be allowed to step down with physicians if they want to resign from the police department. Let them go and bring him back. Just means you got some such you have to feel. That kind of stuff is ridiculous and I can't be tolerated. One of the things that's interesting here. Chief Ramsey just to stay on for one more question is that. There are a lot of people out here out here in the world who want to support the police and understand that you know most police are probably good people. And also decry police brutality. At the same time we decry violence in the streets from from protesters, anarchist's or looters or whatever but. The police force this week. Initially, the police statement in Buffalo said that a person that seventy five year old man we saw pushed the official statement, said that he tripped and fell, and that's not what I mean. We all saw it and then in Washington DC US park police originally said no tear gas was used to move protesters before president trump walked across Lafayette Square park, but again. That's not true. We saw it. We saw the teargas. How did these statements? Coupled with all this I mean. How does this cultivate trust in the police? It doesn't that's the and that's part of the problem. I mean you could go back to McDonald's and the statements that officers may do just simply were not true. Anyone who looked at the seventy five year old man being pushed down. And being injured and says that's okay. I'm going to resign over it. You don't need them on the police force. Quite frankly, what was even worse than that? Because they? They gave him a show which was inappropriate. It may not have intended for him to fall. But how do you walk by? person laying on a sidewalk with blood pooling around their head, and somehow that's okay. Officers should get a pat on the back and go back to work now. It doesn't work that way. That's why they're protests industry right now, because those kinds of actions on the part of police. That's exactly why we're where we are right now. It's an embarrassment quite frankly. Professor Hunt Jubal. he is in his opinion columnist for the New York Times and he wrote today quote where rioting protesters can be held to account for destruction violence. Rioting police have the imprimature of the state. What we've seen from rioting police in other words, an assertion of power and impunity in the face of mass anger over police brutality. They've effectively said so. WHAT UNQUOTE! What's your reaction to that? Do you understand why some people might feel that way? Yeah, it's it's a ridiculous double standard. Let's face the problem. That reunion was right. Now is one which we have come to this. Place where mentality of policing. Is that the idea the thin? With police are there to basically be the last live defense? Force society descends into chaos, and that particular perspective sets up this US against them. Sort of of dynamic is opposed to release. Being partners being protectors, being part of the community, and so this we of community policing has just fallen apart. We have a huge cultural problem where you have. Cultures vint least apartments that can allow the title of just brutality that we saw Minneapolis or the fact that these fifty seven officers with resigned from this particular unit in support of the two officers with Chris down older older ma'am. That's just it speaks to a broken culture. me after this now that we have to look at incentives dissented disincentives. Structural solutions to make sure this APP is more than just about individuals. At Daveramsey I WANNA. Get your reaction to this video. Captured a tearful police officer, telling a crowd in ocean. City New Jersey an African American officer that the problem in his view is lack of awareness of what black Americans have been going through for centuries. Take a listen. I did it because I'm not recognized when. I get it from. Both is I understand both sides. But the problem is. Is Lack of education? System is failing right. We don't teach the American history away comes from. We don't teach about the ancestors, the answer by people who black leaders what they went through the. Officer, tyron roles in New Jersey. Do you agree that that some of the problems we have here? That we're seeing protest about have to do with the lack of education about the way that black Americans have been treated in this country for literally hundreds of years. That's part of the history of policing in the United States is one that everyone should be exposed to the young men and women coming on the job that they were around in the fifties. The sixties were I. Certainly was around, and I can remember those times. They can't baby understand history policing in the United States in the fact that when you look at policing through today's Lens Police didn't always stand on the right side of justice, and that sort of legacy lingers. People still remember it and any trust you build is. is going to be very very fragile, and you have to understand recognize you know one of the things I've often fought. Is I mean we all look at the world through a different lands, our own lens depending on our background, but police need to learn to do policing through the eyes of those being policed. If they could do that, the nate understand better where people are coming from why anger, why is your bitterness wiser hostility, and if we could come together and do that, have honest conversations make all the difference? Professor when you hear people like the National Security Adviser a few days ago. Telling me that this is just a matter of a few bad apple cops. What's your response? that's not acceptable again. It's not about individuals. Structures is about the culture of policing. We have a fun little rob when you can treat people. As the enemy almost as it, you're buying a foreign territory. That's just not acceptable democracy police work for us. They're supposed to serve US and a few bad apples on doesn't explain why you can have the types of you know. Retaliation key over and over again throughout history and the officers on nine times out of ten or more get off. Darnell. Hunt and Chief Charles Ramsey thanks to both of you really appreciate your time and expertise today as popular attractions begin to reopen the warning that health experts say is not resonated as corona virus cases in some states are starting to tick higher. Do we need a new capitalism? Has the coronavirus pandemic been a wakeup call for CEO's and leaders around the world this week? Boss Fouls, I talked to salesforce founder and CEO. Mark Benny off about his call for what he says. Is the need for more compassionate capitalism and the responsibility of businesses to think about all of their stakeholders, not just their shareholders tune into boss files wherever you get your podcasts. Stay with us. And our health lead today, the corona virus pandemic continues to rage on the death toll in the United States has risen to more than one hundred, eight, thousand, the total number of cases, nearing two million, as states continue reopening and as C. N.. N.'s Erica Hill reports rest now Florida, which began face two of its reopening process including today, the opening of Universal Orlando Florida is seeing an uptick in cases for the first time in weeks, despite the president earlier today, praising Florida's reopening measures. Peaceful protests across the country have health experts worried? There is a potential unfortunately for this to be a seating event. New York Street field with demonstrators just days before the city's planned reopening and I understand still this painful real moment in history, but I want to keep reminding people. It is dangerous to be close together. You have been a protest. I strongly urge you to get tested. Minnesota's governor, encouraging the same as officials sound the alarm again about the need to wear masks were very concerned. That are public health message isn't resonating the world health. Organization expanding its guidance on Friday. Recommending fabric faced coverings in areas where the virus is still spreading and medical masks for those over sixty or with underlying conditions, sobering numbers about the nation's nursing homes, twenty six states say fifty percent or more of their covid, nineteen related deaths were. Were in long term care facilities according to a new report Minnesota at Rhode Island posting the highest numbers eighty-one percent followed by Connecticut and New Hampshire meantime. The number of new cases in the past week is up in twenty one states, testing is also on the rise Florida's saw its biggest one day jump in weeks, adding more than fourteen hundred new cases on Thursday. Much of the state is now in phase two of reopening Universal Orlando. Guests Friday morning fell very safe and bring in my family here. The NBA looking to bring its players to Orlando, using Disney world as homebase, aiming to restart the season on July thirty first twenty two teams added safety measures and regular testing part of that plan. The belief is, we would not have to shut down. A single player tested positive. Major League Baseball, however, still on hold after the Players Association rejected the League's call for further pay cuts. And in Alabama, interesting development today sports illustrated in Al. Dot com reporting several members of the football team at the University of Alabama, have tested positive. NCWA allowed athletes to return to campus this week of course in fact. AOL Dot Com reporting that one of those players who tested positive, had participated in a group workout, but was asymmetric dramatic at the time in response to CNN's inquiry, the university pointed us to a statement from Thursday, which said the health and safety of our student athletes, the top priority due to privacy laws. Of course they cannot share information on the specific health of their student Athletes Jake. Erica Hill thank you so much pandemic far from over. Let's bring in CNN's chief medical correspondent Dr, Sanjay, Gupta and Sanjay Florida's saw its biggest one day increase in cases in weeks as that's continues with phase, two of reopening universal studios opening today, if cases are starting to back up, and I understand testing is increasing, so that's also going to be part of it, but cases are going up. Is it wise for large crowds to to be gathering amusement parks? Is it wise for Florida to be proceeding with face to? The virus. The virus still out. There I think people sort of fundamentally no that throws inherent risks with doing activities like this where they're going to be. Larger gatherings of people there are shared public spaces. People are coming from all over. Perhaps the country, and then going back to their communities, those are the concerns. Those concerns are the same here. I think people will do the best they can to try and lower the risk, but the risks are there. There's you have to think about this I. Think in three phases before you go y'all make sure obviously if you're vulnerable anyway Kenny symptoms. You don't go while you're there. You GotTa do your best to reduce the likelihood of catching. The virus watching public spaces shared handrails things like that wearing a mask keeping physically distance, and then afterward Jacob. People who have concern may want to sort of quarantine themselves for a while and stay away from vulnerable people. That is sort of the the the best approach. I mean even the parks themselves say there is risk here so you can do this at your own risk. The World Health Organization issued new guidance urging governments to encourage the general public to wear masks. Take a listen to the president's message to governors this morning. But it up, and you do social distancing. Masks. If you want and you do things, you can do a lot of things. President, trump saying you can wear masks if you want. The World Health Organization and saying people should be wearing masks. Yeah I. Mean th the World Health Organization very clear on this as are most public health organizations admittedly. Some back and forth on masks I. Think the thing that changed everything. Jake is when it was clear there was a symptomatic spread. You could spread the virus without knowing you had it. Everyone has to behave like they have the virus. Wearing a mask goes a long way toward. Protecting others around you, so you're not putting them the virus into the environment. How how significant wearing a matt without a mask? You can be spreading. Eighteen percent of people will spread the virus with a mask. It's down closer to three percent. That's early evidence, but a significant impact of wearing a mask. All Right Sanjay Gupta. Thank you so much and be sure to listen to Sanjay's Daily podcast corona virus, fact versus fiction wherever you access your podcasts coming up. It's not just big cities where protests are happening. Very emotional about this because you can see. Everyone's standing together in Montana in Missoula. We're checking out small cities and small towns. Concerned Americans are making their voices heard. That's next. Images of massive protests over George Floyd's murder images of protests, major cities coast to coast. They filled your screen for more than a week now. But those protests are also happening in smaller cities and towns across the country as CNN's Tom Foreman now. Raising. ruckus on the quiet streets of the LUXY MISSISSIPPI A couple dozen protesters handmade signs crying out for change now a racism, our whole lives coming from a very small town and He's just gotTa stop. They are battling for Rights in Boise Idaho. They are taking a stand in Tulsa Oklahoma. Indeed beyond the roar of the big city protests. which have drawn enough people to be towns of their own? The map is steadily filling in with smaller communities. Making themselves heard coast to coast. Come what may in Huntsville. Alabama tear-gas flew after police say some people refused to leave when their protests was done to be sure they did not leave their passions I don't want grandchildren brought into this. If. It means I never albuquerque at. The sentiment was the same across the state in Auburn and in Tuscaloosa. Police. Racism. Did you cannot leave here today and be quiet. That's. About what is happening to black and Brown people across the country in Brockton Massachusetts, where more than forty percent of the population is black? The call went up. All lives matter until black lives matter you understand that, but it happened in Missoula Montana to which is more than ninety percent white. I'm very emotional about this. Because you can see everyone's standing together in Montana in Missoula and own, it goes from Georgia to Maine to Nebraska to taxes to. Michigan, Chore, They Know The. Big cities will get most of the attention, but smaller towns on this issue at this moment or having their, said seeing the injustice happened over and over again I've been watching it. Since I was a kid at some point kind of gets hard and some finally speak up and do something. Many of these protests are occurring and highly conservative communities where polls show. Many people doubt the whole idea that police abused minorities clearly more believe it now, Jake. Tom Foreman thanks coming up next what the barrage of news about racism and violence and the graphic videos might be doing to your psyche as this unrest continues nationwide. Stay with us. These past few weeks we've seen image after image of heartbreaking and painful moments in the United States from the video of peaceful protesters, having tear gas sprayed at them in front of the White House to George Floyd's family, visiting his memorial site to talk about all this and more I, want to bring in psychologist Alfie. BREALEY NOBLE WHO founded the Coma Project which focuses on reducing mental, reducing mental health disparities in improving treatment engagement for. For African American and Youth of Color Dr Alfie thanks. Thanks for joining me. I I want to read you an excerpt from an article in the Atlanta Journal Constitution it says quote. Most Black Americans will not be killed by police or white vigilantes, but they carry the scars of racism that infiltrates everyday life like pinpricks much of its subtle, some of it mundane all of its significant. It is cumulative experience stretch over generations unquote. So, this is got to be even more emotionally exhausting and psychologically traumatizing time I would think for people of color experience in the last couple of weeks. Absolutely absolutely so what you're speaking to what you've read the article, it was an amazing quote in his very spot on, and we talk about that and describe that as vicarious trauma, and so I was able to write earlier this week in medium, very very similar common. Basically what I spoke to was the intergenerational trauma. So this is not just about our dear brother, whom we lost George Floyd beyond a Taylor and and people like them. It is about the many many years over which African Americans have been subjected. To these kinds of ills, and so they absolutely take toll whether you experience them personally whether you watch, someone experienced them, or whether you hear the stories from your loved ones about I'm a child of the civil rights oration, so I heard these stories from my parents, and so all of that contributes to an exponentially greater experience of trauma for African Americans in black people and people of color. Between the video of George Floyd's murder. And images of violence in protests, sometimes by anarchist, sometimes by lewd or sometimes by police, this lot of of pain. For every American to see. How do those watching all of this or participating in the protest? Peacefully Cope. So I, think is a wonderful question because I'm not sure that people always recognize that we have to utilize. We call him. I feel active coping right so we have to make an effort to take care of ourselves. We have to make an effort to limit or curate the amount of news that we we have to make an effort to take a break and create some space. Space after we've come from protesting, we have to be mindful of the head space where and before we go out to protest, so it really does cause a lot of pain and what I'm always urging people to do is to just be mindful of the weight of all of this and to really work on actively coping to protect your mental health to protect your psyche. Give us some tips. Obviously turn off the TV. Put Down Your Cell Phone? put down the smartphones. And do what we're lack, yes. The friend. Tell us. All those things and another thing I think we have to start from acknowledging that this is a space in a period of time. That's painful right, because sometimes we just keep going, and we keep moving so if we can stop number one acknowledged that this is an unprecedented time for SS. Black people for other people of Color for people of all races and backgrounds. That's number one to is once. You identify that this is a. Time in that you're feeling upset or uncomfortable. You have to really name the issues that you're dealing with, so it's important for us to raise awareness about what is depression mcclay. What is anxiety? Look like? What are the after effects or impacts of trauma? And then how do we begin to deal with those so acknowledging we're in an unprecedented time is naming specifically what we're dealing with its naming our. Our feelings right for parents. We have to help. Young people name what they're experiencing. Are they happy? Sad, angry frustrated, and then once you all of those things. I think it turns to exactly what you said. Is this active way of caring for ourselves? So you have to speak with someone You have to go speak with the professional, but it's all about that taking care of yourself actively. And there should be no stigma about needing to talk to a professional. It is normal is seeing a doctor because you banged up your? Doctor Alfie Brealey Noble. Thank you so much for your time. Hope you have a peaceful place. Tune into CNN. State of the Union this Sunday morning. My Guest Will Be General Colin Powell as well as current HUD secretary, Ben, Carson and head of the Congressional? Black, caucus congresswoman Karen facets at nine am noon eastern on Sunday only on CNN. You can follow me on facebook. Instagram and twitter Educ tamper. You can tweet the show at the lead CNN. We actually read them. Our coverage on CNN continues right now have a healthy and safe weekend.

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"Cnn breaking news. Welcome to the lead on Jake Tapper right now. There are more than half a million corona virus cases in the United States and a staggering death toll now more than twenty three thousand people to be precise twenty three thousand seventy this time last week. That number was about ten thousand meaning. We have seen more than double the deaths in the US just in the last seven days the director of the CDC. Dr Robert Redfield saying this morning at the United States is nearing the peak of the pandemic and on the other side of the peak will come decisions about when and how to reopen the country the most significant development today in the US governors are banding together because leadership like nature pours vacuum. The governors of six northeast states announced this afternoon. They're now working together and to reopen responsibly. And just in the last few minutes. We heard that the governors of Washington State California and Oregon or announcing a western states packed on another shared approach governors taking the lead earlier today. President Trump tweeted that it is his decision to make writing in part quote a by in conjunction with the governors and input from others will be made shortly about reopening the country. It is worth noting that president trump never himself made any national order on shutting down the country. He has refused to accept any responsibility for the many ways the. Us was unprepared for this crisis. Although now he appears to be claiming that reopening the US is his decision. It's unclear what the path is out of this for the United States. In general the president has yet to offer any specific roadmap but Dr Anthony. Fauci told me yesterday. There is a huge risk with any notion of reopening the country. All at once. If you just say okay it's whatever you know may I click? Turn turn the switch on. Obviously if you do it in an all way. There's an extraordinary risk of there. Being a rebound rebound for the corona virus. We should underline and there is a new example of how that could happen in one part of the country a model presented by Los Angeles County officials predicting that up to ninety five percent of Los Angeles residents will be infected with corona virus. If the stay at home order would be lifted. Right now though. No one is talking about doing that. If the current measures are maintained that number of infections we'll hover around thirty percent according to the projection of that model in the virus. Epicenter of New York Governor Andrew. Cuomo said today that he believes the worst may be over but he cautioned restrictions must stay in place as CNN's Jason Carroll now reports for the first time in history every state is under a disaster declaration at the same time the national death toll numbers are staggering and yet in New York. The epicenter of the pandemic there are indications. The number of infected is leveling off. Here's the good news. The curve continues to flatten across the country. The number of hospitalizations is down the. Us Surgeon General says it appears the nation's hotspots places such as New York New Jersey. Detroit and New Orleans are all showing some signs of improvement. Dr Jerome Atoms tweeting this morning. In the midst of tragedy there is hope. Social distancing and mitigation is working. There is a light at the end of this. Dark tunnel and today governor's from New York. New Jersey Connecticut Rhode Island Delaware and Pennsylvania announced. They're forming one working group between them to come up with a coordinated plan to reopen. We should start looking forward to reopening quote unquote but reopening with a plan and a smart plan. Because if you do it wrong it can backfire. And we've seen that in other places on the globe so everyone is very anxious to get out of the House. Get back to work. Get the economy movie Everyone agrees with that. Even as president trump says he will be the one to decide when the country reopens despite never issuing a nationwide lockdown and leaving that if up to the states health officials say that reopening the country will likely happen section by section this is affected different parts of the country differently We're looking at the very carefully county by county by county and we will be assessing that still this morning. Los Angeles County health officials reported seeing its highest number of Cova deaths in a forty eight hour period. Thirty one people died the. Us military says a sailor on board the USS Theodore. Roosevelt has died from Kobe. Nineteen to date more than two thousand nine hundred servicemembers have tested positive for the virus and the economic impact continues to take Toll Disney announced. It will furlough forty-three thousand. Walt disneyworld employees starting April nineteenth and part of the nations food supply in jeopardy as one of the nation's largest pork processing plants now closed until further notice two hundred thirty eight employees at smithfield foods in Sioux Falls South Dakota tested positive for corona virus. That number of infected accounts for more than half of the state's total so again J. Not only do you have North Eastern governors banning together to come up with a reopening plan. You now have governors on the West Coast in California and Washington and Oregon doing the same Governor Cuomo saying for his part when the state does reopen. It's not going to be just like flicking switch. He says it's not going to be instant in terms of getting back to normal cheik all right Jason Carroll. Thank you so much joining me. Now is always chief. Medical correspondent Dr Sanjay Gupta Sanjay. Good to tell me how significant you think. It is That these governors the northeast governors Or nine including New England itself but but many of the North Governor Cuomo Murphy of New Jersey etc and the governors of the West Coast Washington. State Oregon. California are creating these regional packs working groups to establish protocols on reopening while still fighting this virus. It is this something that you think is happening because no one else is doing it on a on a federal level Yeah I in part I mean you know I think there's this acknowledgement that We know the house is governor. Murphy put it. The House is still on fire but You know this is all about trying to plan ahead. We and there should have been planning ahead all along but we certainly need to be doing it now. We don't want to send the message that it's time to sort of loosen up Stay home restrictions and things like that at all but we need to do these things and we need to be thinking and creative ways. I listened to the entire press conference. Jake I mean everything from what people may need to be screened. Even tested before coming into a workplace people may be taking their own temperature at home and when they arrive at a workplace masks You know for certain Essential workers things like that but also you know how are we going to invest in touch list technologies to try and reduce the likelihood of Of continue to transmit this virus. These are all things that they need to think about acknowledging that As someone once said to me Jake and infection anywhere is an infection everywhere so instead of a looking at this state by state basis starting to look at this by regions because the virus you know doesn't doesn't respect state borders so it does. It does make a lot of sense jake to be doing this but doesn't mean it happening anytime soon. Though right of course the death rate has more than doubled in the last week And that's with most most people particularly in places hit hard by the virus adhering to these stay at home orders and social and physical distance guidelines. one can only imagine what the death toll would be like if we were doing nothing. I mean twenty. Two thousand is a horrific number but if we were doing nothing it would be much much higher. It could be doubling every few days Jake and you know you. You know. This is something. We all learn and terms of math but looking at a log. Rhythmic sort of growth. It's it's significant. You have these conversations over the weekend. Jake and someone said to me. It's striking to me that the risk to any individual American right now is low again of of Of getting sick from this virus and I said yes that's true but the reason that's true is because what's happening in America. Today is something that we've never seen before These stay at home orders. They are having an impact but in order to get to that lower risk as as been described which is true. It's because we're doing these things you know that I guess that's maybe not a point loss on a lot of people but if we weren't doing these things nothing about the the pathophysiology viruses changed. It is a highly contagious. Pretty Lethal virus that that part is still true. The reason the numbers are as low and they're sad numbers as you point out shape at the reason they're as low as they are is because of what we're doing again. I think that that's a fundamental point. Maybe most people get but I think it's worth reiterating. I mean you most people get it but you see talking heads on Fox and other places Continuing to equate the corona virus with the regular flu and acting as though it will be outrageous if the death toll for this corona virus is less than the seasonal flu and still not getting it still not understanding that if we acted with Ron virus the way we act with the flu which is just basically flu shots and washing your hands that we would be in the hundreds of thousands there. There is no vaccine for this We know as a basic starting point. We don't we don't know what the exact fatality rate of this viruses. It probably is different in different places because it's highly dependent on how the medical systems respond to this virus. But it's a bad it's bad virus and we have no vaccine to it. There is no native immunity to it even with the flu. Even if you were someone who didn't get the flu shot you still have some protection. Why because you've been exposed to a variation of that flu shot in years past? If you've lived on this planet he probably have some natural immunity to it. You should get a flu shot. But you'd still have some protection with this. We just have no protection. It's at that that's that's the significance when when public health experts keep calling it a novel Corona Virus. It's an it's a new thing. The trump administration is looking at for the president to potentially call for a partial reopening. A different parts of the country ultimately will be up to governors and mayors. They're talking about potentially a main first date but according to the model that the White House uses it's from the University of Washington A. A thousand deaths are predicted. Just on May I. I don't understand the the May first time frame. Do you know I. I don't understand it. And if they are abiding by that model they should be looking at all. Parts of it Because what that model goes on to say is very important things one and they put a number on the street. Chris Murray and his team over at University of Washington say that it has to get below point. Oh three percent now. Do the math on that. That's about ninety people per day or so fewer than that would would would be dying in the country on any given day. Ninety as you mentioned may I I think it's a thousand I if that's what the numbers show. It's nowhere close but also You know not to Belabor this point that Jake you and I've been talking about for three months. Testing has been important is currently important and will continue to be important. And I'm talking about testing for the virus. Antibody testing is important as well but the viral testing the swab. Testing is always gonNA be important because as we start to think about reopening you still gotta find people who are infected. You still have to be able to isolate them. You still have to be able to trace their context. It's a laborious task. But it's important to get to that point where we can reopen the country without it yet. I can't find those people second of all. I think there's GonNa be a bit of a crisis of confidence because you don't know. Is the person next to you possibly infected or not so? They're still going to be that that that worry jake. I've read some reports that saying in order to be able to contact trace alone. Find the context of people who are infected. It could take hundreds of thousands of people. Jake we don't have that infrastructure in place right now. Still way behind in testing per capita Dr Sanjay Gupta. Thank you so much Be sure to tune into Sanjay's podcast corona virus factors. It's fiction on Apple podcast or wherever you. Listen to your podcast. Coming up fretting about Dr Found. She knew reporting about what president trump has been telling friends about the infectious diseases expert leading the pandemic response. Plus Boris Johnson says. I owe them my life. The Prime Minister's new statements leading many to wonder if his condition wasn't fact much more dire than the government admitted at the time. Stay with us. As the corona virus pandemic has four schools across the country to close teachers are scrambling to get their curriculum and their students online. I'm poppy harlow in this box files. I talked to two leaders who are supporting those teachers students and their parents during this crisis Russia Johnny the founder and CEO of girls who code and Joe Holland the CEO of teachers pay teachers. They talked to me about how their organizations are working to help the most vulnerable students during this uncertain time. You can listen to the latest episode of Boss Files. Wherever you get your podcasts about Sesia Kiel. O.`Neil like you've never seen him before this show about my life. Just because I have more than the average guy doesn't mean I'm better than the overs go back. Like all new Thursdays at nine pm t the White House issuing a statement today saying President. Trump has no intention of firing. Dr Anthony Fauci the country's top infectious diseases expert and member of his Corona Virus Task Force. That statement was in response to questions from the media about foundries future which came after president trump shared a tweet that called for Ouchi firing and spent the weekend calling his friends to discuss the doctor. According to sources as CNN's Kaitlan Collins reports for us now foul cheese latest offence in the eyes of trump's most ardent supporters. Is that in an interview with me on yesterday. He told the truth. He acknowledged that lives may have been saved. If the government had been quicker but social distancing and stay at home measures in place we did a clinical trial. The White House is now denying that Dr Anthony. Fallacies job is in danger after president trump elevated at twitter posts calling for him to be fired in a statement today. White House spokesman Hogan Gidley called the media chatter ridiculous and said President. Trump is not firing Dr Falcone but it was the president not the media who started this speculation yesterday. Trump RE tweeted this post from a former Republican congressional candidate that ended with these four time to fire foul chee hours earlier. The Nation's top infectious disease specialist had acknowledged to C. N. N.'s. Jake Tapper that shutting down the country earlier would have saved lives. You could logically say that if you had a process that was ongoing and you started mitigation earlier you could save lives. Obviously no one is going to deny that the president has continued to lash out following extensive report in The New York Times that documented his slow response to the corona virus while trump has publicly praised. Algae he is privately complained that he often contradicts him and at times. He's refused to let him answer questions. Algae has faced criticism from some trump allies for initially being skeptical of the proposed travel restrictions before endorsing them in late January. A New York Times investigation found trump squandered the time those restrictions bought him to take tougher measures in the US banning dangerous foreign travel. The threat is the health of our people. We did that early far earlier than anyone would have thought the New York Times says. Senior officials urged trump to impose social distancing measures long before he did a detail she confirmed on state of the Union. We look at it from a pure health standpoint. We make a recommendation often. The recommendation is taken. Sometimes it's not but we. It is what it is we all we all right now. Trump's pushback on his top public health officials comes as he's weighing went to reopen the country. A decision he wrongly claimed today. It's up to him. Not The nation's governors. He tweeted some in the fake news. Media are saying that it is the governor's decision to open up the state's not that of the president of the United States and the federal government. Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect. But that's not what the president said when it came to shutting the states down. I would leave it. To the governor's I like I like that from the standpoint of governing and I like that from the standpoint of even our constitution take more of the president's allies are also now continuing this afternoon to criticize Dr Foul Chee including Andy Biggs who is now the chair of the House Freedom Caucus he said in a radio interview today that he believes Dr Phil. Jones has emasculated the economy and taking a meat cleaver to it and he said quote. I think it's time for him to move along. Uh-huh all right. Caitlin. Thanks so much. A partisan fight is stopping more money from flowing to small businesses in the United States. Republicans warn that funding for the PAYCHECK protection program in emergency small business. Loan program could run out this week and the Republican solution is to pass a bill focused solely on providing more money for that program. Senate Democrats argue that any new bill should also include more money for states and for hospitals for food stamps and to fund widespread testing for Corona virus. Joining me now within and business anchor Julia Chatterley. Julia let's start with a question. I don't even know if the answer exists. The program the original paycheck protection program was about three hundred fifty billion dollars. How much of that? Money is gone out the door to these businessmen and businesswomen who need it so desperately. It's such a great question from what I hear. Just one percent of all the cash promised is now in the hands of small and medium-sized businesses. Shockingly Small Psalm from what. I'm understanding if you look at it and it's the same situation ongoing it's far more easy to get the money. Promised by the banks and it is to get approval from small business administration. That remains the chokepoint here. And that's going to continue to be an issue. It doesn't negate the need for more cash however of course but but I'm just talking about if the Republicans are talking about. It's going to run out this week. And only three billion of three hundred and fifty billion has been dispersed Certainly makes me question that that claim what happens if Republicans and Democrats are not able to reach a deal and this business program? Hypothetically were to run out of money whether this week or next. How severe would the consequences be? This is beyond severe. I spoke to a former chief of this business administration this week Karen Mills. She said to me. Even in a best case scenario twenty percent of small businesses here could fail. We're talking six million small businesses. Imagine the job losses were talking about this is the manageable unimaginable. More cash is required. Jake Win the program. Launched small businesses had to get the emergency money from banks but as of last weekend. I'm told they now can get the same emergency loans from other companies including pay pal and companies like that. That seems like it could make something of a difference. I think this could be key. These fintech as they called a far more agile they tend to learn to fall smaller businesses. Those with less than five employees so in terms of getting cash to the lifeblood of the economy. This could be a real game changer. That's the good news. The bad news is these guys still have to get approval from the small business administration as well. So we've got the same chokepoint. Hey getting cashed out there. I think we should be talking about solution. That bypasses the small business administration at this stage. I hear those talks are beginning interesting all right. Cnn business anchor. Julia Chatterley as always thank you so much. We have this breaking news for you. Never Mind Senator Bernie. Sanders has officially endorsed his former rival former vice president. Joe Biden for president so today I am asking all Americans. I'm asking every Democrat. I'm asking every independent. I'm asking a lot of Republicans to come together in this campaign to support your candidacy which I endorse. I seen as Jessica. Dean is live for us now Jessica. This endorsement came a few months before the endorsement that he Sanders did for Hillary Clinton for years ago. This could be significant for Joe Biden. That's exactly right jake. This is coming five days after he announced that he suspending his campaign. And you saw it right there that visual of Joe Biden Bernie Sanders together on that livestream Two men who represents these two wings of the Democratic Party coming together and really trying to highlight all of the places where they can really find common ground and to that end? They announced today that they'll be forming six different task forces to focus on different areas of policy including climate change criminal justice. The idea that they're going to bring together people from both of their campaigns to really look at these big issues and try to find some common ground that will appeal to all democrats but again jake big news for the Biden campaign today and this coming as you mentioned earlier in the process than it did in two thousand sixteen or eighteen. Thank you so much up next. I'm going to talk to one top doctor at a hospital that has had to convert its cafeteria into a room for patients in order to be able to fit more in. Stay with us. 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Hackensack Murnian health. Dr Daniel Varga Dr Varga. Thank you so much for joining us and thanks for the work. You're doing you're converting the cafeteria to hold. Non Intensive Care Unit patients. You've openly talked about employees at your hospital getting sick contracting corona virus. Tell us how serious how dire conditions are at your hospital. We know we've got right now about nineteen hundred patients in acute care hospitals If you look counter nursing homes and other areas that we provide care were around twenty. Six hundred patients total We've actually at Hackensack University Medical Center where you're talking about the cafeteria expansion Run and just shy of two hundred patients in. Icu bets a huge chunk of that being Kobe patients. And most of those folks are on ventilators But what we did do with the cafeteria and this is something that we've been doing continuously as converting space Mostly convert normal hospital beds space into ICU. Space but in this situation knowing that we had taken away normal hospital bed space. We created a seventy two bed unit down in our cafeteria and about three to five day period of time And we probably have that about two-thirds filled right now and Dr. Do you have enough personal protective equipment. Enough N Ninety five masks enough ventilators for for the needs of your healthcare workers in the needs of your cove in one thousand nine patients. So Jake right now. We've got the three big buckets of things you worry about as staff and material and we're actually doing pretty well with Space doing pretty well with material. I think we've we've done well within laters We've acquired a lot on our own. We've been lucky enough to get some from the national stockpile as well. We've been very good at moving them around our system to make sure That everybody has them when they need them and ninety five masks are going to be a challenge for the next couple of months. We are actually sourcing. And Ninety five masks anywhere we can as well as Sourcing the international equivalents of ninety five. But right now we're pretty good with that. Our biggest challenge right now is is our staff and we've got a phenomenal set of frontline caregivers. But you can make beds and you can get equipment. But if you don't have people to to staff those beds and take care of those folks Generally do you a lot of good? Our folks are doing a great job though. We're staying ahead of you worked. On one of the first of all cases in the United States you have experience with outbreaks. Have you ever seen anything like what we're going through right now? Nothing like this. I mean The scope of this is just so profound. I mean it's you know are are a Bolo crisis arose with Three patients in Dallas It was obviously worldwide Issue but the US impact was three folks and then folks who happened to come to hospitals from overseas. But this is a scenario that touches. Everybody and I'll bet there's not anybody out there in your audience right now. Who hasn't been personally touched by cove in nineteen The other piece is that you know we had had a little bit of experience with previous abol outbreaks. We never seen this one before. So that makes it particularly challenging Your Governor Governor Murphy said yesterday that there are some projections suggesting that New Jersey has hit its peak other projections show. The state has not hit its peak. Yet what what do you think is somebody who's on the front lines of this and if you think the peak is still potentially weeks away. How are you preparing to handle that? We know jake knock on wood It looks like We've at least slowed the amount of growth over the last week our admissions related to cove type individuals. Either people under suspicion or confirmed. Cova cases dropped about forty percent from the beginning of the week to the end of the week. That's about one hundred missions per day drop But that said we we are still growing. I mean Three weeks ago we were growing at fifteen percent A week before the week after that we were growing at about seven percent last week we kinda grew at about the two to three percent. So clearly we're seeing some positive transmit we really want to see is the sort of curve that New York is starting to experience where you see that rapid drop in hospital admissions and And actually that with the good news of people being excavated from ventilators discharge from the hospital. I was just reading a story. It's not new. It's at the few weeks old but nj dot com is reporting that your hospital has enacted a dnr do not resuscitate order for Corona virus patients. Tell us about the decision to make that move. So we're actually trying to build what we call a scarce resource allocation policy insider organization and. We're really trying to move in concert with the State of New Jersey The good news is as of right. Now there's no rational no need to make decisions about triaging Who GETS THE VENTILATOR? Doesn't because between what we've done internally with the state's done what we've been able to get from national resources we've managed to stay ahead of that but To a large extent we wanted to kind of get ahead of Of the situation in case the surge gets to a place where it absolutely taps out our resources all right Dr Daniel Varga. Thank you so much and good luck to you and the staff at the hospitals you. You supervise in the incredible worker doing. Thanks so much jake. We appreciate coming up next horrific new images just into CNN one hospital in the US so overwhelmed with corpses some are being stored. Anyplace employees confined space. Stay with us. What does leadership look like in times of crisis? I'm poppy harlow in for the next several weeks. My show boss. Miles is going to bring you. Conversations with business leaders who are trying to navigate the economic fall out of the corona virus pandemic in real time. We ask how. They're looking out for their employees. How they're planning for future. That will undoubtedly look very different for their business. Look for new episodes of this boss file special series every Thursday. I hope you'll join us some new photos from Sinai Grace Hospital in Detroit capturing just how dire and overwhelming the pandemic is in the city of Detroit bodies filling freezer units some even being stored in spare rooms originally meant for sleep studies. I WANNA bring. Cnn's Ryan Young. Who's in Detroit Right now Ryan? You recently visited this hospital. These pictures are just shocking when you see them. This is a tough story. Jake in fact we've been working in this area for about two weeks now talking to all the people who've been affected by Cova nineteen and what we started to do is when we started talking to this heroic first responders all across the city. They started sharing stories with us. And this is one of the groups who started talking about what was going on inside this hospital but share you some pictures here show you some of the pictures here some of his disturbing but the first picture that I wanNA show you is inside was considered a sleep. Study were told they had to store some bodies in here for at least one twelve hour. Shift Maybe because they were running out of space in other rooms then we have another shot inside a freezer They brought in where you could see bodies on top of each other as we were talking to staff. They were mortified but what they were having to do. In fact we talked to several er workers who basically told us not only were they worried about staffing shortages and the fact of so many patients coming in. They were concerned about the patients. Who were there that they were trying to care for but they never wanted anyone to lose a loved one to be stuck in a space like this and in fact a lot of folks even went as far as say The two sources told us at least they wanted to make sure that they had enough bed space for the folks who were inside the Er the last portion that I will tell you this to people did die in the hallway inside that hospital. The hospital has said they surged more employees into the area to sort of help patients. So Jake this ongoing story that we'll continue to follow just horrifying thank you so much. Appreciate it In addition to the scene we showed you. Doctors are also finding themselves in the grueling position of having to arrange conversations between critically ill patients and their family members are not allowed to visit them one doctor sharing with the New York Times taxed. She sent to her colleagues writing quote. You guys are going to see me with Red Puffy eyes for the next few weeks I just feel like I went into the specialty to save lives. And it kills me that we can't save everybody unquote joining me. Now Andrea bonior clinical psychologist and professor of psychology at Georgetown University. Who we check in with every week. If not more on Andrea we. We talked to a psychiatrist last week. Who said that healthcare workers now and when this is all over are going to have post traumatic stress the same way that first responders after nine eleven or veterans after Vietnam did. Do you think it will be that stark? And what should healthcare workers be doing right? Now to cope. Yeah I certainly hope it won't be that star but I do think there's reason to be concerned that it will. This is so unprecedented because the normal human ritual of being able to gather around dying loved one you know. The doctors are are basically. The people who are having to witness. That being completely disrupted and having to use some stopgap measure to try to help. People communicate with their loved ones on their deathbed. This is something that is just not seen these numbers and hasn't been seen in these numbers and a lot of physicians that I've talked to have also said you know the aspect of being alone in and perhaps distanced from their families. Their own families is very difficult. Here too you have. Physicians who who may have signed up to put their own lives at risk to some extent but they didn't sign up to put their families lives at risk and so they're grappling with that anxieties. Well about whether or not just by virtue of the work that they're trying to do they're endangering our own loved ones and so it's really an unprecedented situation and it's and it's heart wrenching. So I do think we are going to see some ripple effects for a very long time and then it's it's obviously tragic no matter what when you lose a family member but people are being denied by this virus The ability to grieve in the traditional ways funeral funeral homes have stopped wakes cemeteries or limiting graveside gatherings some local officials are limiting the number of people for religious services. Some people who are grieving are in quarantine themselves. What do you say to people like that? What's the what's the best thing they should be doing to grieve giving these horrific circumstances? Yeah yeah part of that. Ritual is is so important for finding meaning but I would say there are a couple of things to keep in mind and one is that there are still ways to find meaning in your grief. Even when it's so far sort of being postponed being able to gather there are still ways to connect as much as possible to find symbolism in the loss to write to draw to talk about it over it videoconferences as awkward as that sounds. But I think that's part of this. That is just so heart wrenching. We have such a human need to be able to help each other and touch each other and gather and that's why this particular tragedy is so different than what we've seen before but I think part of what people need to do is to realize that if we can connect through a if we can connect to our values during this time so in other words for instance the doctor on the front lines that are struggling so much with how they're not saving as many lives as they want and they're watching people dying alone they can still go back to those original values of what brought them into medical school in the medical profession. And think about how even though you know they are not there to save a life in that particular moment they are still offering help they are still offering a human connection to somebody who is in need of it because ultimately Cardiff how Greece. How how we come out of the other side of grief is to find meaning in and defined connection with with how it's impacted our lives in a way that that helps us move forward and again. I've spoken with other physicians. That say you know we're GONNA learn from this part of the pain and the chaos and the trauma that we're going through right now can help inform the practice of medicine for the future and that can be a way of finding meaning and all this heartache. Too and quickly Dr Brown you if you could It obviously traumatic for not just a healthcare workers who lose somebody but it's traumatic for everybody going through this. I mean it's a worldwide trauma people having to basically be prisoners in their own homes in some ways. what's your general advice to people watching right now. Who are maybe losing a little bit or having difficulty explaining to their kids. Why we're going through this. What what. What's the best advice you can offer? Yeah I think it's wrong number one label your feelings. There's a lot of data that says that if we can just allow ourselves to say yes. This is grief. I'm scared I'm sad I'm angry. I'm confused labeling. Those feelings putting them into words helps them feel more manageable and helps them to helps us derive meaning for them and second. Pay attention to your body whenever we talk about trauma. We're talking about it being you know it's it's embedded in our body so take care of your body as well and that's so important Dr Andrew by your thank you so much as always good to see you. It is a scene that makes many of shudder people hanging out in bars and restaurants amid this pandemic that controversial gamble that one nation is making and the results so far next and British prime minister. Boris Johnson is out of the hospital in and on the mend from his battle with corona virus. But it appears his condition may have actually been a lot worse than Downing Street lead on C. N. N.'s Bianca Nobile joins me now from London Bianca. There's some confusion over. Just how dire Prime Minister? Johnson's condition actually was in the sense that one day he was in hospital and the defacto deputy prime minister said he was still governing the country from his hospital bed and then later that day he moved into the intensive care unit so that does raise some questions over. How ill he actually was from what I can gather from. Government sources. It wasn't the Downing Street was being economical with the truth. It was the fact that they would just being economical with information. The prime minister is a very private individual and at the best worst of Times Downing Street. Don't want to project the image of a prime minister who is vulnerable or frail particularly at such a critical juncture in a national crisis. And it's not actually unprecedented if we look back to you. Even Boris Johnson's own political hero. Winston Churchill during the Second World War. He really underplayed the bouts of pneumonia that he had the meant that he ended up in hospital. There have been other prime ministers who've done the same whether this might raise legitimate concerns. Going forward is question marks over how transparent Downing Street to being overall there's been a lot of criticism over the government strategy of herd immunity in the early days then they backtracked and said that that was never their strategy at all. The same kind of mixed messaging concerns came out of Downing Street around the look down. Boris Johnson said that he was shaking hands and then there was social distancing implemented so even though the prime minister's own health potentially they could be more transparent the time but I think what's most important here jake will now over. Eleven thousand people have been confirmed to have died from Corona virus in the UK is how transparent and how forthcoming the Government. Touch the being with strategy going forward. Thank you so much. In China government. There is restricting publication of research on the origins of Corona virus which of course originated in Wuhan China. Cnn's Ivan Watson joins me now from Hong Kong and Ivan. The Chinese government now is saying that it needs to approve any corona virus related research before publication. That's right and we learned about this from the web pages of several Chinese universities and after we inquired about these apparent new restrictions. Those universities withdrew the web pages. But what they had shown were that there were these new regulations anybody wanting to publish research about the origin of the virus They had to get permission first and they would have to apply to a state committee to try to do that. We've tried to reach out to a number of different Chinese ministries to get an explanation for. Why is this happening and haven't heard back yet? a number of doctors and researchers that we've talked to about this independent researchers have been disappointed at the very least have have said that this backs of censorship and it could create obstacles to sharing valuable data and research with the rest of the world while all countries are struggling with this deadly disease. It also says something about what a titanic political football. The questions of its origin are especially because of the tensions between the trump administration and China. About how this pandemic really began. It was first documented in Han China last December. Jake thank you so much. Scandinavian countries reported the first corona virus. Deaths all of them at roughly the same time but the countries have taken different approaches. How to handle the corona virus Denmark the second European country to impose lockdown. Norway quarantined anyone coming back from abroad for two weeks. And then they're Sweden which after refusing to shut down businesses has seen nine hundred and nineteen deaths much higher than their to Scandinavian neighbour. Cnn's Phil Black now looks at how? Sweden's relatively lazy-faire approach to the deadly pandemic may have dramatically impacted. The spread these strange times. This is a strange side people just hanging out in bars and cafes enjoying the sunny Easter weekend with friends and family. The corona virus hasn't skipped Sweden. They're just dealing with it very differently. Not forced closures. No lockdown some including president trump think. The country is betting everything on that controversial theory herd immunity deliberately allowing the disease to move through the population so young people with antibodies surround and protect the elderly and more vulnerable Tweeden. Did that the heard they call it. The heard Sweden suffering very very badly. Absolutely not true says the Swedish government. Our go is the same as most other country to save lives. We want to hinder the spreading of the virus. Swedish health officials say their approach is designed to slow the virus where it spreads most and they don't think that's in bars and restaurants not convinced lockdowns in these teams and just take no Sweden state epidemiologist says their strategies. Focus is asking every what to avoid travel work from home where possible and isolate if you feel unwell. And he says it's worked flattening the curb keeping critical cases within the capacity of the health system. I think the strong reasons for why we have been doing what we're doing is that we feel disarray. Sustainable we can't keep doing this for for long for months. Dan Without any real harm to society but the numbers tell a different story for a small country. Sweden has suffered a relatively high number of deaths now at nine hundred nineteen the deaths per one hundred thousand people stands at eight point eight three higher than that of the United States at six point seven three but still far less than Italy at nearly thirty three. And there's one especially disturbing trend in Sweden's experience so far health officials say around half the total figure killed lived in homes for the elderly world. Health Organization says it's imperative. Sweden must do more and two thousand Swedish. Scientists have signed a petition because they fear current. Real mean many more dance. I think they are in control. That what we are saying. Is that the catastrophes lowering around the corner. So you're not in controlling two three weeks time critics say Sweden is now trapped in high risk experiment. Swedish officials believe the right balance. Either way in the coming months Sweden. We'll have much to teach the world about how to best manage. Covert nineteen now jake. If the health authorities are rice than the countries experiencing its peak right now. And they say it's going to be slow and manageable but there are so many scientists who simply don't believe them who say there's nothing in the international experience to suggest that can be true. They fear that while people socializing the disease the virus is spreading. And there's a P and there's another peak coming a real spike and they fear that something that could really overwhelm the Swedish health system. Jake all right back. Thanks so much our coverage on CNN continues right now.

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On Memorial Day, U.S. also mourns nearly 100,000 coronavirus deaths; President Trump tweets insults ahead of Memorial Day events; Large Memorial Day crowds spark fear of new virus outbreaks; Texas town sees surge in cases linked to Tyson meat plant;

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Dying in the first wave and the World Health Organization today is saying there may be a second peak as part of the first wave plus as White House senior adviser. Kevin Hassett told me yesterday. The devastating economic losses could also be long lasting as the president is on the ballot in November. You think that could be double digit unemployment. Still unemployment will be something that moves back slower. Many Americans are out and about on this memorial day visiting newly reopened businesses and trying to get a taste of summer and as C. N. N.'s Jason Carroll reports. Some health experts are alarmed. After weeks of caution and confinement. You wouldn't know a pandemic was going on by looking at the beach today. Looking almost normal in some places crowded beaches and busy boardwalk seemingly little sign of social distancing and even fewer facemasks Missouri shocking images of Pack Pool Party in the ozarks causing concern in other areas. More vigilance with some communities encouraging people to maintain six feet distance on the beach in New York City beaches remain closed. Today the World Health Organization warns we could see a second peak in the virus. We cannot make assumptions that just because the disease is on the way down. Now that it's on it's on it's going to keep going down on. We're going to get a number of months to get ready for a second way. We may get a second peak in this wave. Another WHO official says all countries should remain on high alert. Since the hallmark of the virus is how fast can spread from a single event in the United States at least eighteen states are showing an upward trend in covid nineteen cases and health experts. Warn Memorial Day weekend gatherings have the potential to spark a new string of infections in some areas in Alabama? The Montgomery mayor is again sounding the alarm over. Icu beds this morning. We have six ICU. Beds out of one hundred in this region and so while that is some mild improvement is not the type of improvement. We like to see. We're still at a crisis level in this community. Today the president attending to Memorial Day remembrances with out a mask on in public even though the White House Corona Virus Response Coordinator has urged all Americans to wear them. Amass does prevent droplets from reaching others and out of respect for each other as Americans that care for each other. We need to be wearing masks in public when we cannot social distance. Ohio's Republican governor in agreement saying wearing a mask should not be political. This is not about whether you're liberal or conservative. You were the mass not to protect yourself so much. As to protect others as deaths relating to Covid nineteen near one hundred thousand the New York Times publishing a stark reminder of the humanity behind the numbers John Herman Komax Junior of New Jersey taken by the virus in April was one of a few African American corporate bond traders on Wall Street. Just seeing all of those names you realize the vastness of this pandemic you realize the immensity of it. It's not just one kind of person and it really hits home and Dan this afternoon. Houston's mayor and telling CNN that given all that he has seen in his city people not following social distancing rules. They're going forward. He is going to enforce a twenty five percent capacity rule on all business their businesses there until further notice than Jason Carroll. Thank you so much for that report and I want to go now to doctor. Seema Yasmin a former CDC disease detective and Dr. Thank you so much for joining me when asked about the. Who Warning about a possible second peak coming even in this first wave now. You saw the photos the video which were playing again. Now people packing boardwalks. That's a massive pool party in the ozarks over the weekend. No face coverings that I can see listen to what Dr Books of the White House? Corona ADVERT CORONAVIRUS TASK. Force said about it. A mass does prevent droplets from reaching others and out of respect for each other as Americans that care for each other. We need to be wearing masks in public when we cannot social distance so doctor. What is your perspective? What is your view and advice when you see those pictures and photos of people out and about this weekend and probably even as we speak so America is not out of the woods everyday people becoming infected every day. Americans are dying by the hundreds of covid nineteen. I so wish that this was over. But we're not there yet. And by seeing people packed. Together on beaches on boardwalks even in some restaurants that haven't been strict about restricting the number of people who go again. We know there's going to be person to person transmission and as much as we have some unknowns about the virus we do know that it spreads really effectively from one person to another that those infected microscopic droplets can travel six meters. We know that mosques work and worryingly we about forty percent of the spread is occurring from people who don't have symptoms. So we have to keep reiterating that you need to do physical distancing even a state start to reopen. I don't even like that term. We opening symbolizes the gates being opened. We need to think about this as a gradual easing gradual lifting of restrictions. And you can end up in a situation like some counties in northern California where you reopen. You Eat Isa's restrictions and very quickly you see a big spike in the number of deaths and you have to go back to closing and that can actually be more detrimental to the economy. When you're opening shutting down and reopening again so we have to remember that people can transmit the virus when they don't have symptoms. We have to remember. We are not out of the woods yet. Know so much of this is human nature After being shut in effectively for for more than two months the weather is nice. You hear it's summer you feel like it's summer and people are just kind of done with this What from a medical perspective. I know you talk about the you and Dr Brooks and others talk about the droplets. But should what should people be keeping in mind as they are trying to break out of their homes and tried to grasp for some normalcy? So we did make big gains by sheltering in place and flattening the curve. We made sure that healthcare systems didn't get wellness but as a reminder of how quickly that situation can flip just think about Montgomery Alabama where the ICU beds filled up and people who are severely sick with covert nineteen a having to travel more than an hour to Birmingham to get intensive care treatment. That can happen really quickly. The way that we minimize that is still by sheltering in place as much as feasible. Shaw states are reopening but we have to look at the in our area to make safe and sensible decisions about what you should and shouldn't do and bearing in mind that people all packing out these public spaces and make sure that if you end up in a situation like that you'll stay as far away from people as possible. And you all wearing a mosque. When social distancing isn't possible for you so officials where I am in DC announced that there was an uptick in cases this weekend and atop doctor at the University of Alabama you mentioned Alabama warned of surge. That could really get out of control in that state. Arkansas said that High School Pool Party fueled a second wave there so cases in the. Us are trending down. But can you make a direct correlation between the spikes and easing the restrictions Over the past several weeks so this is a situation where it's really important to look at the national data overall but also look at what's happening in your state and your county because you might get a false sense of security from just seeing numbers are going down across the country. They might be spiking in your area. I think his too soon to say exactly that reopening an easing restrictions is what's causing a spike. Because there can be a to fourteen day lag between people being exposed to the virus and actually getting sick. But we do know. The spikes of occurred about a week off to reopening Maryland for example a few days after it reopened just lost Tuesday. It said it had the highest daily case counts In recent weeks more than seventeen hundred people in Maryland would diagnosed with covid nineteen loss Tuesday. So it's really important to look at what's happening in your region and be aware that of course as we lift restrictions as people do less and less physical distancing that Cov- can peak again. And we still need to do all. We can to flatten the curve. I want to ask you about something that former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff Said over the weekend. He said that chill children's students here in DC shouldn't go back to school fully until there is a vaccine yesterday. I spoke with New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy and I asked him about the real difficulty that parents who have no school no camp and in many cases no child care the difficulty. They have in getting back to work. Listen to what he said about that. The big nut to crack your to be daycare not just camps of it back to school in August and September and mass transit. Those are not easy ones to get stood up again in a way that remotely looks like it's an it's an old normal he asked me. What is your message to parents? This feels like such an impossible situation for parents and we did see the beginning of the epidemic that we thought that kids were bad. Now we're seeing in the US around. Two percent of all cases are in children. That's reassuring to some extent because they don't seem as hard hit as you might expect with a respiratory bug but the bad news is that some kids who have becoming sick with covert nineteen are becoming very severely sick and we're still at the tip of the iceberg. Goes learning exactly why it is but some kids get this full body inflammatory response that can land them in the ICU. I think in the meantime as we learn more about this virus that we do what we can to keep kids safe as possible. Maybe in the interest of feasability and being realistic kids do have to start returning in some cases to some kind of schooling situations but in that case we need to have good evidence based guidelines to keep kids as Paul as possible to have disinfectants happening. And also for them to wearing mosques. If that's feasible doctor Seema. Yasmin thank you so much for those incredible insights and advice science-based advice That you're giving to everybody on this holiday weekend appreciate it. Thank you and with restriction. Still limiting large gatherings president trump is attacking the governor of North Carolina trying to force plans for the GOP convention just months away plus a stunning scene in Brazil mass graves as corona virus surges. Cnn is on the ground. As Brazil becomes the nation with the second most reported cases. We expect a lot from our homes. They're more than a place to hang your hat. 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The president blasted at a series of tweets lashing out after critics. Critics attacked him for playing golf. On one of the most somber holiday weekends of the year in the middle of a pandemic a pandemic that has killed more Americans than Vietnam and the Korean War combined as CNN's Kaitlan Collins reports on this Memorial Day. President trump laid a wreath at Arlington National Cemetery to honor those who have sacrificed their lives and addressed corona virus as he remembered fallen soldiers in his speech at Fort McHenry in Baltimore in recent months our nation and the world have been engaged in a new form of battle against an invisible enemy earlier today. President trump threatened to move the Republican National Convention from North Carolina. If the state's governor doesn't commit to allowing a full attendance the convention has been planned for months and is scheduled for late August but the coronavirus pandemic has gotten up in both it and the Democratic National Convention the week before on twitter trump complain that North Carolina's Democratic governor. Roy Cooper is still shut down mood and unable to guarantee the by August we will be allowed to hold a full convention vice president. Mike Pence said they move it to a state? That's further along in reopening. We all want to be in Charlotte. We love North Carolina but having a sense now is absolutely essential because of the immense preparations. That are involved last week. Governor Cooper told CNN. It wasn't a political. Decisions is not political. This is not emotional. This is based on health. Experts trump spent a weekend dedicated to fallen troops on twitter where he aired his grievances. Posted insults promoted. A baseless murderer claim an amplified disparaging remarks for his eighty million followers. The president tweeted his support. John Stall who accused House Speaker? Nancy Pelosi of drinking booze on the job mocked former Georgia governor candidates Stacey Abrams by claiming she visited every buffet in the state and referred to Joe Biden as a racist the president also pushed debunked theory that MSNBC anchor. Joe Scarborough played a role in the death of staffer in two thousand and one who hit her head and died. The woman's death was ruled accident and police never suspected foul play though. The president implied that he's under investigation as the death. Toll from corona virus near six digits. Chunk complained about the media's coverage of him playing golf twice at his club this weekend though he often criticized Brock Obama for Golfing. Wallin office trump said he was only exercising and accused the press of portraying it as a mortal sin though he wants predicted the death toll in the. Us would never come close to one. Hundred thousand. Dr Deborah burks. The White House is still operating under the idea that it could range from dare to two hundred and forty thousand people on Sunday the US out in Brazil to the list of countries from which travel is banned because cases there have skyrocketed. Now Dan back to what's going to happen with the Republican convention. We are told by the city of Charlotte that they WANNA put out some guidance as soon as next month on what to do for these events. They said they've been meeting with the stakeholders of these large events like the RNC and they're hoping to put a guidance on exactly what everyone can expect in the coming days and Caitlyn source familiar with the president's thinking that this tweet storm about the RNC and threatening to pull out of North Carolina. Was it meant to really say? He was going to pull out of North Carolina. It's more about forcing the governor and local officials there to set the rules of the road To you know this is something that he does. When he's negotiating he does the most extreme Had takes the most extreme position in order to try to get people to where he wants them. What are you hearing there? Yeah we know that the RNC in these state officials have been talking about this. You know. Are they going to have to test all of the delegates or they're going? It's thousands of people that come to a convention like this like ten checks. All of those things are under under discussion right now. We're told but it's just not clear you know what agreement they're going to come to and it's really not clear what the state of the country is going to look like in late. August. We should note that these conventions bring a lot of money to the states where they are held. So it's hard to see why governor would not want to hold this commission given just how much of a financial boost they can be outs. He told Jeff Zeleny last week. He said that safety is their concern at this moment. A lot of bluster going on not surprisingly politics Caitlyn. Thank you so much for that. Report and many Americans are marketing this holiday weekend with trips to the beach but in some communities. There's a new battle brewing. I'll talk to one official. Who's trying to stop out of towners from visiting? Welcome back to this special edition of the lead in our national lead. Americans have flocked to newly reopened beaches and parks this holiday weekend. Even as health experts. Warn that if they don't social distance there will be a spike in corona virus cases within the next two weeks CNN. Tasha Chen is live from myrtle beach. South Carolina and Natasha. What are you saying? There are people social distancing or are they not well Dan. They're doing a pretty good job of that on the beach here because there's a lot of space to do that and the crowds are a lot lighter than what we saw this weekend. So P people can keep their groups their families separate from other groups now. The problem really comes when you talk about indoor spaces hotels restaurants. The people flocking to these businesses. That so badly need these tourism dollars. They're supposed to keep restaurant capacity here in the state to fifty percents But the state tells me when they sent out regulators. They found some places had too. Many people had to ask some patrons to be shown out the door. We talked to one person Keep in mind. We're wearing our masks when we're interviewing people in close range. He is the only other person we've met today wearing a mask and we asked him what it was like wearing a mask when others aren't I saw one older couple of couple but other than that we didn't see any and that kind of surprised US slightly a little bit about who we are oddballs here that restaurants but we didn't know that they still taking precautions to sixty this and the city of Myrtle beach of course took extraordinary action with an executive order seeing previous problematic behavior last weekend giving their police more authority this weekend to do things like potentially closed down businesses overnight if they had to. I'm hearing from the city that so far. They have not Dan and Tasha. Thank you so much for that report and in New York. There's a battle over beaches after mayor. Bill de Blasio announced that the city's shorelines. We're going to stay close this weekend and now neighboring beach towns in Long Island are putting in place. A residents only policy hoping to stop the exodus of city-dwellers joining me. Now is Nassau County executive Laura Karen and Laura. Let me ask about what you're doing there. Because NASA is the westernmost part of long island so some of the closest beaches to New York City. You sign legislation. You sign legislation to restrict beach access to locals only a wide you do that and be how you enforcing it. So number one. We share a fifteen mile border with New York City. Right on the Queen's border where the first county into Long Island and I've been speaking with Gava with Mayor de Blasio about his rationale for keeping his speeches closed for now. I completely understand it. There are density issues there. People take public transportation and since the local jurisdiction has to enforce it. I understand his decision. So since we're capped at fifty percent here All over the state. I WanNa make sure that our residents who pay the taxes Actually get the chance to enjoy the beach since we are limited. Now as soon as the governor games at safe and enforceable excuse me the mayor deems it safe in a forcible to open up his ear to the beaches than our law sunsets. How worried are you about that policy? Having a big impact on businesses in your county I mean NASA is typically kind of A. You have a lifeline in New York and other areas around Especially in the summer months for the economy absolutely. We had a wonderful tourism season last season. One of our best. And now we're seeing it really. Suffering hotels restaurants always wonderful beachside places are really struggling. Are downtowns struggling? I'm very happy that we're going to be getting into phase. One of our reopening were on track to get started on that on Wednesday. If we continue to meet our metrics meet our numbers but I am very concerned about our economy. I'm focused on helping people get back to work as quickly as they possibly can. And I think we've proven in Nassau County residents in our businesses. Have been fantastic that we can do this. While mitigating risk our people get about face coverings. They understand about social distancing and they're definitely ready to get back to work yesterday. Your Governor Andrew. Cuomo announced that Long Island is on track to reopen this Wednesday. We've seen the number of new cases in your state reach a plateau over the last two weeks. If there is a resurgence. Are you prepared to close the county again? So we're going to get into phase one there's GonNa be four phases and these are deemed those with the least amount of risk for instance. Construction construction is happening on central projects. Essential Projects Right now very safely. Curbside retail is another manufacturing is another if we however do see. The numbers starts to rise again. Then we can expand that face to for longer until we get a handle on okay. Nassau County Executive Laura Current. Thank you so much and I hope you have a nice. And as restful of Memorial Day weekend as you can under these circumstances thank you very much. Thank you and up next a mayor fighting a major corona virus outbreak among residents as she fights her own personal battle. Stay with us so we can in our national lead. Texas is moving swiftly to reopen all parts of life and the economy in the state's panhandle things are getting worse not better. It's a region that plays a significant role in the nation's food supply with a quarter of America's beef coming from that region. I talked to the mayor of Amarillo. Texas Ginger Nelson about how? She's keeping her cities safe and fighting the virus while she is personally fighting a different disease. Cancer we're a hotspot. We've been hit hard in Amarillo. Texas covid nineteen numbers spiked in recent weeks level read highest alert level mayor. Ginger Nelson says the city's hottest spot is Tyson meat plant. What about the meat packing plant caused the surge? We had to shelter in place so that we could educate ourselves and in the time that it took us to learn that it was already here in our communities and it was already working. Its way in through the employees of these meat packing plants. We just have a unique situation here with our meat packing plants. They're critical to the nations food supply and the can't close. How hard is it to balance what you're saying? Which is you? Don't think they can close because the food supply of the country. And yet you're talking about the health and welfare of your constituents in residents if you talk to people that work in the plant there conflicted by the same thing. They know how important their jobs are. And they know how important their industry is to both the nations food supply and our local economy but then again they way that with their own personal anxieties about getting sick mayor. Nelson isn't just fighting COVID. Nineteen for her city. She's also fighting cancer diagnosed right before the pandemic hit. She just finished her. First Round of radiation. You're in the middle of radiation while fighting a pandemic for your citizens yes. I don't do treatment here in my city because they This type of cancer is rare and so I go to Houston to get treatment so I'm immuno compromised Which is unexpected. No one expects to be on a cancer journey and I in my forty so I'm not in the normal cove high risk age range but it has given me a very empathetic perspective to someone who is kicked. Three hundred and sixty five. A big priority is connecting her constituents with resources to help their mental health. I think a lot of it's just been conversation is been trying to tell people. Check your mental health. It's okay to talk about your mental health and connecting them to resources that we already have here in our city that they might not have previously needed or been aware of or have been interested in using despite being a hotspot. Businesses are reopening in Amarillo. Texas what's it like to have to make a decision to you now? Reopened will help the economy and Society. The whole but also people could get sick. Well it's not a light burden and I think as a leader. It's never been that simple for me. It's a multifaceted issue. As I've asked people to stay home I've known I was asking businesses to close their doors and that meant they weren't going to be able to make mortgage payments this the mascot Nelson is aggressively using social media to push safety. We've used the tagline. Where one for you. If you aware when for me because truly it is a new form of citizenship that you would consider others in the needs of others above your own comfort. I lay awake at night and I worry. I worry about the kids. I worry about the MOMS that worry about the DADS worry about the small business owners. I about our city finances Worry about our our families getting sick or even not having enough to eat so sorry gary but it's real. We wish mayor Nelson enter her residents well and we want to give you this statement provided to us by. Tyson saying our top priority is the health and safety of our team members. Their families in our communities. We take this responsibility very seriously and are committed to working with our communities help minimize the spread of the virus and coming up there have been more than one thousand burials in this cemetery since the band democ began. We're going to go live to Brazil. Next how do you date during a global pandemic seriously? How do you do it? I'm poppy harlow and this week. I'm boss files I talk with. Whitney Wolfe heard the founder and CEO of the dating APP bumble. Her Company has had to totally rethink their approach to facilitating human connection. As I dates move online we get into how they're adding new features in the APP developing their own health and safety recommendations and whether or not virtual dating is here to stay listener. Our conversation on the latest episode of boss files. Wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to this. Special edition of the lead and in our world lead. Japan is lifting its national state of emergency today a week earlier than originally planned but Japan's Prime Minister says virus vaccine is significant in order to host the delayed Tokyo an India after two months shut down. Airports are reopening for domestic flights but coronavirus cases are still surging in that country and British prime minister. Boris Johnson says he regrets the pain his top aide. Dominic Cummings caused when he bucked the country's lockdown restriction and traveled to be with his family despite having the virus but he is supporting his aides decision not to resign and in the original epicenter of the virus. Wuhan China Director of the Wuhan Virology Institute says not only did the virus not escape some experiment from his facility but China didn't even know about the virus before December despite reports saying otherwise the. Us is now blocking anyone from coming in who has been in. Brazil in the past fourteen days after that country became the second most infected country in the world with more than three hundred and sixty thousand cases. I want to bring. Cnn's Nick. Payton Walsh to talk about this and and Nick is in Manaus Brazil which has been devastated by the virus. Nick give us an idea of just how serious the conditions are there. Well it's being an extraordinary past month for this city of It is pretty much isolated in the middle of the Amazon forest city of two million but we were one of their cemeteries today. Where fifteen hundred graves have been dark since the beginning of this pandemic. Just let you know why we're standing in front of a fence here behind us is the airport into which corona virus cases from all over the region are often on single private jets of missions of mercy to bring the patient of this disease is spread across this vast territory of the Amazon into the main city. They can get medical treatment if it's not too late but for those who it is. Unfortunately being too late we saw the graveyard there and I should point out one of the startling things revealed to us because it was sort of split in two one part of it was about a third of the size of the rest it and it was the cases the positive tested for corona virus. The rest four fifths was about people who had a suspected case of corona virus. And so starting. It's quite clear from that that the testing here has been full far short and it's exceptionally hard to know. Quite how many people in Brazil have actually died the disease and possibly how many indeed person positive for it so here mouse whistle seeing exactly what happens in city. There's isolated like this into which the infection is introduced where people unfortunately have been listening a lot to the president president giant Bolsonaro and his message. This is isn't that serious. It's quote a little flew. He's being a widely panned by the local mayor. Here who accepts that many people in this area have been fat listening to their president rather than the mayor of the city. Who's advising them to try and stay indoors? He has some very stern stop words as a response to Mr Boston. Narrow essentially saying he was stupid and he should shut up. Stay at home and resign because he said he was responsible for so many deaths because of the message. You've been giving out Donna and nick. That President Paul scenario as you mentioned he has been out in the crowds. He has been touching. He has been doing everything that you're not supposed to do. Not to mention downplaying the virus as you mentioned what are you hearing from the people of Brazil and what kind of problem is he sort of helping to cause and create an extend given the way that he is acting or maybe I should say not reacting? Well he's acting. You saw the video of him with a rally on Sunday Of His supporters very commonly done in the government of capital Brasilia. He greets his supporters be flew over the helicopter. It seems got off the helicopter. Moss then took it off to go near the crowds. That in itself is a dangerous message. It saying to people in places like monopoly mandatory the main cities of Sao Paulo and Rio. That you don't really need to wear remorse but you obviously do. And that is contributing to this extraordinary rise in numbers which I say is not the entire picture here in Brazil Donna. Nick Payton Walsh in Manila. Brazil thank you so much for that report appreciate it and Corona Virus has infected thousands of U S servicemembers. It's not the first time though that the military has had to battle disease. We'll explain next corona virus in the backdrop of tributes like this on Memorial Day at Arlington National Cemetery social distancing for those who looked on at the president's salute at the tomb of the unknown soldier and in Delaware former Vice President Joe Biden and his wife or masks at Veterans Memorial Park in New Castle Delaware. It's the first time Biden. His left is home since mid March. I WANNA bring in CNN presidential historian. Douglas Brinkley to talk about this more. And I'm really looking forward to talking to you because you have so much insight into the history of the military and and dealing with disease you know we know that the military reports another fifty nine hundred cases among its ranks. But it's not the first time disease has plagued the US military in American history. Hardly right hardly And fill our hearts go out for anybody suffering from Kobe? Nineteen in the armed forces. They're doing heroic work around the globe force right now but in. Us history. I mean let's start the American revolution. I mean George. Washington was so worried about yellow fever that his one thing that saved it we want to be a country today. If Washington inside to late troops for smallpox it was seen as a radical procedure at had been perfected in Great Britain in Washington. Went WITH IT IN. Its save thousands of lives nevertheless have to keep in mind in the first one hundred and forty five years of US history in any battle we talked about Revolutionary War War eighteen twelve Mexican American war all the way up to World War One. We had many more deaths in the military from disease than we did battle in fact that was always the enemy in World War One when the Spanish flu epidemic hit. I mean thirty thousand soldiers in one swoop never made it to France. They dying of influence on the way there. The Spanish American war seven dead a by disease from every one without a battle wound so part of the history of America. Memorial Day is connecting the idea of disease and our past wars and our veterans and recognize that. The enemy is always been not Infectious Diseases like smallpox tuberculosis. On and on that is such a fascinating stat than many of these wars. And you're saying most of the wars that America has fought. The death has not been from the enemy On the other side of the battlefield. It's been from pandemics. I know one of the stats. That you mentioned was World War. Two was the first time that that flip that death on the battlefield actually exceeded death from disease. And there's a hopeful note there because after World War One in the Spanish flu epidemic. That devastated our armed forces are bill boys. We started working really hard on antibiotics. It is a game changer. So right at the CUSP OF BEGINNING OF WORLD WAR. Two the United States was leading the charge. Globally on antibiotics and we inoculated our soldiers that went into the European theater and the Japanese island hopping campaign in the Pacific. They were they got inoculated for smallpox. Tetanus you know typhoid fever yellow fever. And that's how we are able to win. It's not just industrial mobilization or battlefield. Victories we won the battle against infectious diseases. And you mentioned what George Washington dead which seemed radical back during the revolutionary war. But more broadly. I know you know looking at history that there would be no country. No United States if not for the role of medicine specifically in the military and look we have the memorial for that as Walter Reed Hospital in Washington D Steve. Dr Reed was worried about the deaths of the Spanish American war. And now we try to take care of our veterans but on this Memorial Day. It's very sad. Veterans from the Korean warns Vietnam. World War Two more recent were. Some are dying of Kobe nineteen here. They fought the enemy abroad. Only to die here at home from this invisible enemy on that we're all combating right now and real quick The notion of Memorial Day was always intended. Not Just Tim. Remember people who died on the battlefield from bullets or or other artillery but from actual disease. Yes in you know. But we don't give a Silver Star Star purple heart to somebody who died of infectious diseases. So maybe this Memorial Day and every memorial day we should think more about soldiers sailors who in war on disease not just Battlefield INJURIES SO AL SADD. I could talk to you for hours. Maybe I'll call you after the show. Frankly thank you so much for joining us To give your important inside on the history of the military on this Memorial Day and before we go we would like to. Salute lives of two military veterans who died of Corona virus. Philip Khan died at one hundred years old. He lost a twin brother shortly after birth during the Spanish flu. Pandemic in Nineteen nineteen. Philip Khan was a sergeant in the US Army Air Force. His family says Khan kept warplanes. Fueled during World War Two. He received the bronze battle Star for his service. We also want to salute eighty six year old Derartu. He served in World War. Two and his grandson says Bartos loved all things Disney. He was someone who comforted everyone with his laugh. He lived in Melrose Park Illinois and the bartenders and con families to you. All may your loved ones rest in peace and may their memories be a blessing our coverage continues on CNN right now.

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Vicious and personal, President Trump and house speaker Nancy Pelosi in a war of words words that are shocking considering, we're talking about the heads of the executive and legislative branches of the United States of America. President Trump just a short time ago, questioning the most powerful democrat in America's fitness. It was sad. When I watched Nancy all moving the movement and the hands and craziness, and I watched that's by the way, a person, that's got some problems. The president attacking Pelosi's extraordinary press conference, but there is something about Pelosi because the president who has claimed that when he is hit, he hits back one hundred times ardor. He has said that, while he shorted, in fact, his attacks paled in comparison to Pelosi's needling of the president again. And again, and again questioning whether he's fit for office. I wish that his family or administration staff would have been intervention for the good of the country. This is not behavior that rises to the dignity of the office of president of the United States. I am. An intervention concerned about his wellbeing. These are serious charges. They're not just casual insults of president by the speaker of the house of representatives and Pelosi kept going slamming. Trump's ability to run the White House and making him look like a child. I can only think that he wasn't up to the task I pray for the president of the United States. The president, again stormed out, I think what I. Pound the table walk out the door. My another ten temper tantrum actually ardently pray for the president, because we need, I don't know. Sometimes we're talking to him. He's he agrees. And then I said, one time who's in charge here because you agree. And then all of a sudden something changes what goes on there? Who's in charge? If to wonder how truly ardent those prayers are look the hits were relentless. So how did Trump fight back? What I he sent his staff out to, to counter, this old tenter, Tim temper tantrum thing to say, no, no, no. He was calm. Chilean. What was my temperament yesterday in the number what was my energy? Sweet. Eric hall. And you were very what was by attitude yesterday versus writing. Regard, tom. Okay. Well, then after we put each of them. Can you imagine what I'm going actually a little out of control, Mr President, my boss? Okay. Then he finally came out with this classic but still just as bizarre as ever line. I'm an extremely stable genius. Okay. The good old stable genius line just set Pelosi up as if she was waiting. There are phone for a tweet. She tweeted, just short time ago when the quote extremely stable genius starts acting more presidential. I'll be happy to work with him on infrastructure trade and other issues. It despite the escalating attacks and back and forth, that you would think was part of some sort of a fictional story that I just told you. And it's all fact Pelosi still says she's still not ready to go down the path of impeachment. The president is engaged in a cover up. It's in plain sight. It cannot be denied if north subpoenas of structure of Justice. Yes, these could be impeachable offenses. We've can get the facts American people through our investigation that may take us to a place that is unavoidable, in terms of impeachment or not. But we're not at that place. We're not at that place, because supposedly, I guys, we are still praying you fill up as out front live outside the White House. The president clearly was flustered by speaker Pelosi today. Erin, it does seem that Nancy Pelosi has gotten under President Trump's skin almost to that point. President Trump seemed to struggle to find some kind of nickname for her. He tried out crazy Nancy. But then said he he shouldn't do that because he's already called Bernie Sanders crazy. It's a bit of a sign that President Trump is struggling to figure out how to deal with this person who seems to be maneuvering around him and outmaneuver. Bring him in certain situations. But what our sources are also telling us, this is all about is the president's growing frustration with all of the inquiries happening on Capitol Hill that Nancy Pelosi is basically leading the charge for the president feels like as these inquiries are getting closer to his personal finances. His family, they are encroaching on these things that he thought were off limits. He said today to reporters that the Democrats are trying to impeach him. Trying to get rid of him for twenty twenty and in order to do that they are trying to attack him by thousands stabs thousand stabs was the way that he put it. So President Trump is airing this frustration to his friends and to his allies and I think having a difficult time figuring out how to best confront that and he's fed up and told Nancy Pelosi, I am not going to do anything with you and other and the other Democrats legislatively until these investigations. And now the trouble is politically seems to have made it clear that she is not going to a to that ultimatum. And, and so I. Think what we saw here at the White House. This afternoon was the president's of frustration bubbling over. He took some of the same attacks that he that Nancy Pelosi had lobbed against him and fired them, right back at her. That's another a clear sign that President Trump is a little bit rattled by the standoff with Pelosi. All right. Thank you very much, Abby. And I want to go now to a democrat who's been calling for impeachment proceedings against President Trump congressman Don Byer. So congressman, thanks for your time. Let me just start with this back and forth, which, which, which as I said, it almost reads, like some sort of a fiction or, or comedy, except for it's, it's real and because it's real, it's quite disturbing. Do you think the speaker's comments about President Trump were appropriate? Oh, I do. I know how frustrated she was. And the other Democrats that were in that meeting, we would like to get to an infrastructure Bill. They had them meeting just a few weeks ago that where they theoretically added agreement for two trillion dollars. And we would like to get to agreement on the US MCA the new NAFTA part two. So when the people like me. Asi Pelosi Ritchie Neil and sending where it goes in. And the first thing he does is wrap his hands on the table and walk out. It's incredibly frustrating when you're trying to govern and legislate. So the president obviously retaliated to her words, right? I mean she used the word cover up multiple times today. Right. Temper tantrum, you know, ardently praying and praying for him. I mean it was it was something. And he retaliated here, he is congressman. She's a mess luckless face it. She doesn't understand it, and they sort of feel she's disintegrating before the Russian easy, Nancy. I tell you what I've been watching her, and I have I have been watching her for long periods of time. She's not the same person. She's lost it. She's calling for an intervention because extensively, he's losing his mind. He saying she's losing her mind in an incredibly derogatory manner is is, is what he said. Okay because of what she said is this all now? Okay. Just at the same. No, it's not. Okay. First of all, it's laughable the thing that Nancy Pelosi is falling apart. I think she's absolutely at the height of her skills. I've never seen her more focused a more concentrated. She isn't pickle battle right now. Because on the one hand Democrats control the house. We have a huge agenda, some of which we've already passed a lot of things we want to move this nation forward. You know, prescription drug prices that cost the healthcare infrastructure cleaning, up corruption at the same time she leads us leads all Americans and trying to hold the president accountable for many of his lawless actions me, she's right on the cover up. We've been trying to get this tax returns for a couple of months now when the nineteen twenty four law is crystal clear. We had a memo just a week. Go saying the Mnuchin is not going to turn over the tax returns. We've been trying to follow up on Mueller's tendencies of obstruction of Justice, which he didn't indict on, because he said, he believed that you can't indicted a sitting president, and he left it to us, right? And of course, while he didn't directly leave it up to anyone, which is a separate issue about Muller and whether there was a mistake made there about the lack of clarity. But yes that is why we're in this position. But let me ask you, because the speaker said today the president needs an intervention. She talks about a cover up. And of course, you all could intervene right with impeachment, which you support issue talking out of both sides of her mouth. She's trying to make people like you calm down. Hold on trust me. Even if she's not doing what you think she should be doing. No, I, I don't agree that she's not doing, I think the four leading chairman judiciary and intelligence, etc. Are doing everything they can within the law to get the right people to testify, the right documents. So what speaker Pelosi is done said, we're gonna take this step by step by step. I'm joy. Joined a group of maybe two dozen Democrats saying, beginning, the inquiry of impeachment is probably the next right step. But we obviously will call for it, but it's up to her to decide when we move forward. So you respect when, when she won't do it because. She's not doing it. I know you're saying you need to she's not doing that. And she did give a reason today. Let me just play it for you. The president's behavior in terms of his obstruction of Justice. The things that he is doing spirit clear. It's in plain sight. It cannot be denied is more subpoenas, obstruction of Justice. Yes, these could be impeachable offenses. And I do think that impeachment is a very divisive place to go in our country and what we can get the facts American people through our investigation that may take us to a place that is unavoidable, in terms of impeachment or not. But we're not at that place. I mean, that's pretty definitive. We're not at that place. You're saying that's the next step. So as she made you change your mind and back off or do you believe that she's ready to go there? I don't know. She's ready to go there and maybe I'm a little ahead. Although that's a value judgement on being ready to do the impeachment inquiry. But I do respect. Her deep is iron not to further divide the country, and it's a, it's a really tenuous balance. It's a judgment. Call between fulfilling our responsibility to defend the constitution to not let a lawless president set that precedent for the years to come and also try to bring the country back together. I think this is the first president in our history, who's made his whole political strategy of dividing us rather than bringing us together some buyer. Appreciate your time. Thanks. Thanks, sir. And next Pelosi has a history of going after Trump, even questioning his manhood our word not mine. What is it about her? That gets under his skin so much. Plus, President Trump calls his former secretary of state dumb as rock what happened to his promise that he would only hire the best people, and is it the hottest endorsement of twenty twenty who will get a oh, C's stamp of approval. Hi, I'm Bill Kristol feeling confused about politics, who isn't. That's why I lost my podcast conversations with Bill Kristol. I have thoughtful conversations with leading figures in politics and public policy we reflect on where we are. And we consider where we're going subscribing itunes or wherever you get your podcast and check out our archive for conversations with guests like Mike, Murphy, David Axelrod, Ron brownstein, and Paul Begala. No spin no soundbites just thoughtful wheel conversations. Please do subscribe today to conversations with Bill Kristol. Tonight. House speaker Nancy Pelosi questions. Whether Trump is up for doing his job. I can only think that he wasn't up to the task of figuring out the difficult choices of how to cover the cost of what the important infrastructure legislation that we had talked about three weeks before there was then there was the intervention because he's done. Simply losing it. Look this was a crazy day, and it is not the first time Pelosi has gotten personal in December. She told a group of lawmakers according to a source that Trump's signature issue the border wall was quote a manhood thing for him. And went on to say, quote, as if manhood could ever be associated with him. Out front now CNN political commentators, Joan Walsh, national affairs correspondent for the nation and Alice Stewart, former communications director for Ted Cruz some days, I like to say, you know, five years ago, if I said to you guys that would have just come out of my mouth on this show, you'd say, well, here we are Joan, okay, not up to the task a man hood thing. Here's the bottom line Pelosi successfully, and actively riles him up. She does she knows exactly what she's doing. You know, sometimes I am reluctant to be gendered about this, but it is like she's dealt with toddlers. It is like she's raised children. And she just has this instinct for getting under his skin. I mean Pelosi has been in a little bit of trouble with her caucus, there are there's a rising number of people who at least in the last few days, we're calling for impeachment. Now they're starting to walk it back. But when he attacks her when he comes at her, it strengthens her hand and she really, you know, she basically called for an intervention today. She's been made. Cracks about his competence, and mental health. She she will take her remarking. I started to say, well, the intervention is impeachment speaker Pelosi, but when he attacks her, her members have her back, and they did write about those who are for impeachment. You just heard one of them. I mean, now they're all trying to, to act that they're all in line. I mean she succeeded that, that so effective in that regard Alice. Let's just play though a few of the other days over time to sort of this isn't a one day thing from the speaker here, she is talking about the president. Maybe it was lack of confidence on his part that he really couldn't come match the greatness of the challenge that we have the president may not know this. But Hawaii is part of the United States of America. Maybe he doesn't realize that temporary. Five. What do you say Alice as she went straight? They're calling him a toddler. He doesn't know Hawaii's state. He lacks competence. I mean that is just drill drill drill. Is it appropriate? It's not appropriate. But this is the world that, that we're in right now. And look a war of words is easy, but the battle for my partisanship in congress is hard and unfortunately, lack of getting anything done is the collateral damage that we have here and look Nancy Pelosi is successful. If her agenda or objective is to get under the president's skin check that box. She is doing it. And also, as we've seen today for objective is to rally and unify the democratic caucus and the more progressive wing of that check that box. She is doing it. But if objective is to get something done, and move legislation, and she's not doing anything on that. And that's the goal it to be successful in this war of words, both sides need to realize. Okay. Beat done that the game is over. Let's work together for the American people because that's what they're there respectfully they have passed dozens. And dozens of pieces of legislation Mitch McConnell, we'll take them up, but she has gotten everything done that she said, she would do they've passed voting rights reform. They've passed campaign finance reform. They've passed all sorts of things measure, strengthening the Affordable Care Act. She is delivering nothing. That's not going any what she majority. Right. You don't partisanship to do that. I know but say that she's neglecting to legislate while she. Can I ask you though, nearly one hundred and had a great op-ed? I don't know if you guys saw, but NIA wrote, you know about this, this, this battle between the two this nastiness and she writes and Trump clearly respects fears Pelosi because of her power, her wealth and her family lineage, is her most effective target student. What is it about her age gender background? What is it? That makes her uniquely difficult target his no problem slamming women right is no problem, slamming. People is no problem, slamming older people like himself. But yet it's harder for him with her. Well, I think damn leak as always is onto something in terms of prestige. He always wants the, the, the, the good, opinion of people who have power despite all the things he says about the failing losing New York Times, which is neither. He really wants to be respected by his local paper of record when she became the speaker in two thousand seven he sent her a nice note. She. As somebody who, who represents a certain level of prestige, a certain level of accomplishment, he would like her approval her provable. Yes. And he can't get it with the way he's acting so Alice, then you have this issue of the nicknames, right? Say call her crazy Nancy. But then said I can't do that. Because Bernie's, really the crazy one. But, you know, this is the guy of the nicknames. Little Marco lying Ted crooked Hillary, whatever it is. Bullying people has been go to tactic and yet. Nancy Pelosi or Nancy, as I call her the MS thirteen lover Nancy Pelosi. We've gotta stop crying. Chuck, yum. And Nancy Pelosi. I don't want to say crazy Nancy, because if I say that you're going to say it's a copy of crazy Bernie, and that's no good. Because he Bernie is definitely crazy. That was just an hour ago there at the end Alice. Why, why can't he get an name for her in the internal focus group? That's going on in his head with the branding is still at work. He's fine. Tuning what he's working on, look, I, I was a victim of, of his branding with Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz came out with a brand trusted. And when Ted became a huge trial, Inge for Donald Trump, then he came out with lying. Ted and Nancy Pelosi is someone that he has tried to work with tried to, to get along and try to move legislation along. And when she became a challenge as she is now. And today, she questioned his mental stability in fitness and saying he had a temper tantrum, that's when he said, crazy Nancy, he may be tweaking that he may find something else. But when, when she is nervous that he what, what? Offended him. Yeah. Branding is kicking in which is interesting. All right. Thank you, both very much a next, the Trump administration ignoring subpoenas, refusing to turn over documents. So we'll these words come back to haunt President Trump. You know, when you delete something or when you don't provide the documents requested after after you get a subpoena from the United States Congress, that's a criminal act. I'm really is a comment for everything isn't there, plus dumb as a rock President Trump unloading on his hand pick. Former secretary of state. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer a huge variety of high quality stylish frames in state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five you can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Xeni dot com. With the latest trends in eyewear available in hundreds of frame, styles and materials, there isn't a better way to change it up for every season. Plus, is any offers prescription sunglasses that incredible prices. Visit any today at Xeni dot com slash ready that Z E N N. I dot com slash ready. Tonight. House speaker Nancy Pelosi standing firm on impeachment. We want to follow the facts, she got the tooth to the American people. But we can get the facts American people through our investigation that may take us to a place that is unavoidable, in terms of impeachment or not. But we're not at that place. Not at that place, but couldn't peach when proceedings actually be the way the congress can get answers from the press. President out front now adviser to four presidents David Gergen, former federal prosecutor lar- coats and Philip Allen, lock of ARA. He was counselled of the Watergate special prosecutor argued US versus Nixon before the supreme court, we've had you on this very issue. It has now become the heart of everything right fail. You've got Democrats or the house speaker saying, quote, I'm not sure we get anymore information by instituting an impeachment inquiry as her defense of why they should have all these various subpoenas out there being argued individually she says, they'll get their that way, they don't need to do the formal proceeding you disagree. Explain why. I do disagree. I think she can't get there as of confidently by just doing these scattered shut hearings by the different oversight. Committee's, I think there's a much greater likelihood that win this battle alternately gets to the supreme court and I'm sure that's where Trump expects it to go. He is going to have a stronger argument with, with the pro Trump conservative justices, including two that he's appointed in battling Congress's right to get a general oversight subpoenas enforced as contrasted with the battle that he would have in convincing. The court ticket to to get away with not complying with an impeachment inquiry, which is what I'm recommending for a good long time. Yes, you certainly have. So Lara, what's your reaction? Pitchman inquiry. Obviously opens up the door to everything right in one fell swoop. Plus, obviously hearings and a whole process. That's very. Public as opposed to a scattershot situation. Well, technically you shouldn't need to have to go to an impeachment inquiry in order to have the congress be able to flex their oversight authority. I mean, the constitution does contemplate. They can actually walk into gun at the same time, both legislate, investigate, and also he can investigate the president is aids for all kinds of -bility issues. They should be able to do so, but what the good point that he's making. Of course, the idea, what would expedite the process, and what would go into dismissing the president's argument, which is listen, there's no legitimate legislative purpose here. You're just out to get me it's a witch hunt continued. Well, having an impeachment inquiry would take you outside of the context of purely oversight, which can be limited. Again, congress is I need to have all the details to actually be able to implant legislation. So it would have backed by the long run, they shouldn't need to do so, so, so, you know, and obviously, in the situation, we're in, you know, obviously, we're in this weird warped world. That we're in David, though, this world that we're in Justin Amash, one, Republican and congress has come out. Favor of impeachment proceedings and he has done so very clearly on constitutional grounds. Other Republicans, though have been very loyal to Trump. Even though a mosh says privately many have expressed to him that they agree publicly he's he's solo with Nixon though. It was very different, right? It was very different. It's worth remembering when the when the articles of impeachment were voted upon in the house of representatives that in the first article on the first major test. It went it went down twenty seven to eleven six Republicans over a third of the Republicans on the committee voted to impeach sorted. Three conservative southern Democrats, but to have over a third of your own party break with you is nowhere near where we are right now in terms of the Republican party's loyalty, to, to President Trump, I actually think that Nancy Pelosi is played this as brilliantly as anyone might and position that she's in that in politics and it's print court. And when you moving toward the supreme court, and I do think there's such thing as ripening and, and making sure that issue is right before you push. I don't think it's ripe yet. Fifty seven percent of the people in the country are are against impeachment. At this point. She's also got a couple of dozen new members of the of the house who Democrats who ran and Trump districts and one, and you put them at peril, if you move right now, of course, you know, before the Nixon, impeachment proceedings, the public wasn't in favor of it either. I guess this is the whole discussion as to whether you need to present them with a formal hearing that they can watch and observe to change that, that point of view, if it will change or not. I mean, Philip the democratic congressman Zoe Lofgren was on this show this week. And she tried to explain to me, why she thinks impeachment proceedings would be premature, you know why she thinks they could get the information they needed the way they're going now. And here's her explanation. The I-word really doesn't change what you need in order to get your subpoenas enforced. I worked on the Nixon impeachment when I was on the staff of Don Edwards. I was on the committee during the Clinton impeachment. So this is not my first rodeo when it comes to misbehavior in the executive branch and there's a process you have to go through it's frustrating, but you have to do it. So Phillip, what do you say to her? That's that's the argument being made by team Pelosi. Well, I think there are two responses to that one is practical. One is theoretical on the practical level. What they're doing now is conducting or trying to conduct inquiries among scattershot of, of committees. The contrast with the impeachment inquiry during Watergate was that you had a single coordinated consolidated focused hearing before the judiciary committee. That makes a lot of difference in terms of educating the public about whether there are grounds to impeach and then on the on the theoretical or legal side as I've tried to argue in various fora. I think the power to get the information that you need to make the case to the American public is much greater. If you're conducting an impeachment inquiry, as contrasted with just a variety of individual committee oversight hearings know, one thing here is that, you know, the president has been pushing back, right? They said they, he said, right? Gonna fight everything now twenty plus subpoenas investigations. They're trying to block all of them, of course. He's weighed in on this pretty much exact situation before which is defying a congressional subpoena here he is in the campaign. You know, when you delete something or when you don't provide the documents requested after after you get a subpoena from the United States Congress, that's a criminal act. For her, but not for him. Laura why? No people who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones at least two years ago. And that's probably what's going on right now and shooting himself in the foot, but the idea here about the defiance here. This comes down to the notion of the president on the one hand having this not GIC delay tactic being employed here. I'm not certain that he believes he'll be successful alternately being able to continue to thwart the subpoena. But the delay does a nerd his benefit to certain extent on the greater issue. However, that one thing about this is that you have to judicial opinions. Now, they're saying that congress is right in congress is the one that will ultimately decide whether articles of he should be drafted in the first place. All right. Thank you all very much. And next President Trump calling his former secretary of state dumb as a rock. So was this not true? Promised the American people that I ask our country's best and brightest. And we have that. Best and brightest and dumb as rocks. Plus, President Trump says China's paying for the sixteen billion dollar bailout. He announced for America's farmers today that claim does not add up. Remember to create an ad like this one, visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. New tonight. Dumb as a rock President Trump's slamming. Former secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, because Tillerson told a house committee, that Trump was not prepared for his 2017 seventeen meeting with Ladimir Putin. Michelle Kosinski is out front. In case there was any question, how Trump and his former fired. We'd secretary of State Rex Tillerson feel about each other, president of the United States today, laid it all out there by tweet Rex Tillerson, a man who is dumb as a rock and totally ill prepared and ill equipped to carry of state made up a story, he got fired that I was out prepared by Vladimir Putin at a meeting in Hamburg Germany. I don't think Putin would agree current secretary of state Mike Pompeo backed him up on that. It's pretty outrageous. And it probably explains wise Rex Tillerson's no longer the secretary of state Tillerson, outrageous offense in their view was to appear before members of the house born if airs committee in a seven hour session, and answer their questions telling them according to congressional aides that in Trump's long meeting with Putin at 2017 Trump was not ready CNN reported at the time that White House aides only had a few pages of material to prep Trump for the diplomatic face off. Wanting to keep things tight to help Trump focus in the well, Tillerson, believed himself and Trump shared the same goal for the country. This same could not be said of their personal values Tillerson wouldn't elaborate. The president has made clear that having a relationship with Russia's better than not having one. I think everybody can agree on that on presidential son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner's outsized role in foreign policy. Everything from Middle East peace to China, eight say Tillerson told lawmakers Kushner didn't consult with the State Department or other agencies and that his naievety in some up to being played Trump now on his second use of dumb as rocks for the former CEO of Exxon seems to still be smarting from that time Tillerson referred to him as a moron in a meeting at the Pentagon Trump, according to officials then make Tillerson get out in front of cameras in humiliating defense of the president smart. He demands results Tillerson, though. Never denying that he had called him a moron five months later. He was tweeted out of office. God bless America. True. Feelings on Trump. Now shares is pretty undisciplined doesn't doesn't like to read doesn't read briefing reports if our leaders seek to conceal the truth, or we as people become accepting of alternative realities that are no longer grounded in facts than we as American citizens are on a pathway to relinquishing our freedom. For months. Three house committees have been trying to get information from the White House from the State Department Trump's various contacts with leading or Putin. They haven't had any luck Rex Tillerson is one of the few people on the planet, who has at least some knowledge of that it's obvious. He's willing to talk having spent so many hours with these lawmakers also clear, just how unhappy this is making the president Aaron Soleil. Thank you very much, Michelle. And next the fight for twenty twenty presidential candidate. Congressman Tim Ryan, weighing up to the same blue collar voters as President Trump. So can he win them over? Plus, it's one of the most sought after endorsements who will woman Alexandra Cossio, Cortes support. The cases we gotta find who wrote this. No, we do that. We find the killer this science defined out. Police used Luminol a chemical which close when it comes into contact with the iron component in blood that drama. But where was the rifle and which man was telling the truth forensic files, the legendary true crime show is now a podcast. Join investigators as they take on the toughest cases with cutting edge scientific tools. Subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes, every Monday Thursday, you'll never miss out on getting your forensic fix. President Trump promising a bail out to American farmers. And he says, every dollar will come from China. I'm announcing that I have directed secretary Perdue to provide sixteen billion dollars in assistance to America's farmers and ranchers that all comes from China. But it doesn't the fact is that that is not true. Just today. The International Monetary Fund just came out and they explained putting out a study showing that it will be Americans in American companies who will pay for the tariffs, not China out front now. Twenty twenty presidential candidate congressman Tim Ryan democrat representing Ohio congressman look, you know, so these tariffs, obviously impact your state. The president keeps saying China's paying for them, right? He keeps saying it again. And again, are you afraid that the president's claims on this are going to stick, and that people will believe him even though it is not true. No. I mean I was in Iowa and I'm back in Ohio now, and I will tell you the farmers know that he's lying. I mean they just they know it. And, and so I think he's really on shaky ground because they're already upset with him that, that he's doing this and that he's causing them trouble. They haven't made a profit in five years, and farming and those in America, there's a recession in rural America. And now he's lying about it, and that's starting to really bother them. And I think he's, he's in dangerous territory now losing rural America, and we've got to be tough and go in there and try to have a plan for rural America. So these are these, these are people, you're trying to reach out to your trying to appeal to them for their vote. You're trying to appeal to some of the same voters at the president was very successful winning over last time around, and frankly, congressman sometimes you and the president have sounded rather, the same take a listen. And we're going to tell millions and millions of unemployed. Americans my favorite two words your hired. You're hired now. We need to say that to the American people, our country is going to start building and making things. Again, we're going to start building things again in the United States. So congressman look, are you concerned that those were those word echoes that pitch to the same constituents could hurt you in the primary. Not at all. I mean, the Democrats want a good paying job, but the president's not delivering we do have low unemployment the stock market is up. But the average person is not keeping their nose above water there surviving. They're not, thriving seventy five to eighty percent of Americans are still living paycheck to paycheck, forty to fifty percent of Americans can't withstand the four or five hundred dollar emergency. And I live with these people Aaron I know the struggles that they have the president does not know and we're getting our we're getting our rear ends kicked by China. They're they're destroying us in the electric vehicle market, they control fifty to almost fifty percent of that market. They control sixty percent of the solar panel market. They're running circles around us with five G the president's got the rhetoric right? But he has no plan or policy or hasn't done anything to try to position workers here in America, actually start manufacturing things again. So one of the reasons that the president was speaking today was obviously Nancy in that plan. He was responding also to the house speaker, Nancy Pelosi who had the press a press conference where she was talking about him and impeachment on that issue. You have said you want to, quote, let the process play itself out. She obviously is there. But more of your colleagues have come on board with the idea of starting the process now especially after Don Mcgann refused to testify. One of them congressman David, Cecil Leany his mind this week and here is why. I think the value of opening and Cree is that it's signals to the administration to the witnesses who may be contemplating defying subpoenas that this is an important proceeding actually. It would raise the level of serious. You're in congress, your vote, you could be called to vote on this. Have you considered changing your position congressman? Now, I'm watching every day, a very closely what's happening here. And, you know, again, I believe that the president has obstructed Justice. I believe him trying to really stonewall this whole investigation is very, very dangerous. And I think at some point if he keeps going, we are going to have to look at taking the next step, we've got to bring the American people along. I think we've got to do what we did not do in two thousand eight during the financial crisis. We should have been bringing bankers and heads of financial institutions before congress educating the American people as to what was going on. And I think we need to do the same thing now. So congressman, I want to ask you about, what democratic congressman Steve Cohen has had to say about the house speaker Nancy Pelosi when when he talked about this issue, right about her refusing to start the impeachment process. He thinks she's completely wrong. And here's what he said about it. He says that he's doing this because of patriotism, not politics. And I it's hard to see that. I mean patriotism say jump into hell for heavenly cause, and the fact is when you have a constitution, and you have a rule of law, and it's being destroyed in a reckless gangster manner, you need to act. I think the only the only reason not to act is because politics patriotism, says act. Obviously, he's, he's calling around patriotic, you challenged her her position as the minority leader in two thousand sixteen. Do you think Coen's assessment of her now is fair? You know, I, I everyone has an opinion here I think speaker Pelosi is handling this. Well, we have a very diverse caucus, we have a lot of people who don't want to necessarily impeach. And we have people that do want to impeach and the reality of it is there's a process here that we need to go through. So let's bring the American people along. I think that it more people hear about what's what's going on. They're going to they're going to understand what what's happening here. We gotta get back onto the economic message. Oh, erin. That's what I'm talking about Mike campaign, bringing jobs in want to enroll people to this new economy. There's an industrial revolution happening in America. And we got to win it in the United States. And if people are interested in rolling in that they can go to Tim Ryan for America dot com. We wanna make sure that we're building this out impeachments going to be here, but we got to get the economy straight. All right. Thank you very much conscious. Ryan, I appreciate your time tonight. Thanks. Thanks. Thank you. And next, the woman twenty twenty Democrats want in their corner. And they're doing all they can to win for endorsement. The right sheets. Can take your sleep and your style to the next level with bollandbranch the upgrade has never been more affordable. Every set is crafted from one hundred percent organic cotton. They get softer and softer over time. That's why they have thousands of five star reviews and even three US presidents have Boll and branch sheets. 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It is one of the most coveted endorsements on the political landscape and it will come from freshman congresswoman Alexandria, Cossio, Cortes, who has signaled, she'd might endorse a candidate during the democratic primary, but it's not going to be for a while, so perhaps, but already some twenty twenty candidates have emerged as front runners that what I would like to see in the presidential candidate is one that has a coherent worldview, and logic from which all these policy proposals are coming forward. I think Senator Sanders has that I also think Senator Warren has that cost you a Cortes now has four million, plus Twitter, followers, and has proven herself progressive power player on the hill, and while some twenty twenty candidates brush off talk of endorsements. And do you think you'll ask her for your endorsement? No cast anybody for tourists minutes. It's clear. Some are already jockeying for opportunities to tap into Okaz, Cortez's popularity. Senator Bernie Sanders and Oko Cortez have teamed up on occasions, appearing last week at a rally for the green new deal. The two also introduced a plan to combat predatory lenders. But none of that has stopped Senator Elizabeth Warren, from courting, her Warren wrote a glowing essay about. Oh, Cossio Cortez for time magazine, citing her meteoric rise from bartender to congresswoman writing a year ago. She was taking orders across a bar today. Millions are taking cues from her to even shared a game of thrones season, finale moment on Twitter, getting so close to having this endgame. With women running the world. Like, oh, they're to emotional exactly to the end Stu democratic hopeful. Washington governor, Jay Inslee had a Twitter moment with Oko Cortes when she tweeted praise for his own embassies climate change plan. Have you asked Representative Causey, Cortez foreign endorsement, and what would that mean to your candidacy? No, we haven't talked about that. And we'll former vice president, Joe Biden is polling as the Democratic Front runner. He's looking like a long shot broke Cossio Cortes endorsement, the to add odds over proposals to combat climate change. I will be damned if the same politicians who refuse to act, then are going to try to come back today and say, we need a middle of the middle of the road approach to save our lives. That is too much for me. Environment. She'll find that nobody has been more consistent about taking on the environment and the green revolution. Jason Carroll CNN, New York. And thanks to all of you for joining us. Anderson starts now. Hi, I'm Bill Kristol ever wonder what the godfather films breaking bad can tell us about the health of the American dream or what it was like to be in the Pentagon nine eleven or house surpreme court justices talk to each other, when they get together at a conference. 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Ep 529 | What Donald Trump Needs To Do To Secure the 2020 Election

The News & Why It Matters

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Ep 529 | What Donald Trump Needs To Do To Secure the 2020 Election

"Today Joe Biden's edge evaporates in a new national poll. California's governor newsome says. We're not going back to normal. We'll get into that and Dallas Salon. Owner Shelly Luther Sentenced to seven days in jail for be awful crime of wanting to feed her family. We've got a lot to get into folks and it starts right now. Welcome to the news and why it matters. I'm Sarah Gonzales today. Joined by Jason Carroll chief researcher at the Glenn Beck Program. Thanks for being here. You're welcome also for giving you your one day out of the House and we are also joined by Josh Hammer. Who by the way new announcement is a blaze? Tv contributor officially Sarah Despite the fact that unlike my friend to my right I have way too much air and I look ridiculous on these cameras. I'm still join. I can do something about that. My own clippers. Not that desperate Friday Friday. Go Get your haircut. I'M GONNA go get my nails done. It's going to be a wonderful day in Texas. Finally all right. We've got a lot to get into so last week. Biden led the Reuters poll by six points Americans were expressing concern that You know trump was not effectively handling the corona virus crisis. I know it's kind of gone back and forth with President trump at the beginning Or you know after a few weeks and they thought maybe they did trust him. And it's just Kinda gone back and forth well Biden's lead is now down and it keeps going down. Apparently he led trump by a staggering. Eight points about a month or so ago and now his lead is down and Let's see I missing it here. But his lead is down and there we go. He is to only two points ahead of trump and that is of course in with the three points of the margin of error. So I mean again. I don't know how anyone looks at. Joe Biden watches him On the news programs that he is on sitting in his recreational room and decides yes. I trust him much better than I trust. President trump on the corona virus on the economy on basically anything including formulating sentences correctly. But I guess maybe that's a good thing people. The more Joe Biden talks people maybe are saying that I really do trust this guy more than President. Trump. What's crazy is the krona virus Once you get rid of all the spin from how it was handled in the beginning which most advantages bullcrap anyway. But once you get past that this is revealing I think or exposing a lot of things that Donald Trump is going to take advantage of For one I mean he was elected. I don't know what he's got an uncanny ability to kind of reach out to certain voters and identify what pisses them off and then leverage that into getting him elected he did it in the past election when he went to places like Michigan. You know the rust belt and was like I'm I'm gonNA bring jobs back to you Globalization is a problem everything being centralized in China. You know that they're the world factory. That is a problem. He got elected on things like that. Then it went to where you know the the trade war was Kinda hurting some of those some of those. He lost some votes but now guess what guess what's happening. We're getting short of medication. Things like that. They're actually calling into you. Know calling out the fact that China is is a big problem with this. So I think that there's a lot of ebbs and flows in this. I think at the end of at the end of the day. The world's not going back to the way it was. I do not believe there's GonNa be a fundamental shift all out the world just far as like how they handle trade Whether they just put all their eggs in one basket whether they become you know more. You know. More of an you know nationalization maybe that's a thing that starts to come. I think we're already seeing that really But I think that trump is going to benefit from that so. I think that to make some all this ridiculously long explanation is that I think that the things that were being exposed the very beginning people were kind of nervous about Biden was kind of capitalizing on that but now as we go. Further and further on as people are losing their jobs as some people in the more progressive areas of the country are saying no. Let's stay locked down until the year. Twenty seventy five They're like okay. Enough is enough to move forward. We've got to do things like with. The president is saying and open up the economy and we have to change things like our reliance on China but Biden doesn't stand for that he should because he's like the blue collar uncle Joe lunchbox guy but he doesn't and people are starting to figure that out. Josh Sarah Beck Law School. One thing that they do is they'll introduce a bizarre hypotheticals away to try and teach the law and invariably in in the class someone tries to fight back and try to try to fight the hypothetical and lost says. Don't by the hypothetical. Just take it. I'M GONNA go here in the in a bit of cosmic revenge from from and I didn't like hypothetical that are pushing back upon. Is that the polls matter because the polls literally just do not matter right now it is. It is may six twenty twenty four years ago on. May Six twenty sixteen. Donald Trump had just defeated. Ted Cruz in Indiana three days earlier. I knew I was there. I was in the crowd and in Union Station in Indianapolis when Ted. Better out of the race date very well at that point in time. Donald TRUMP I don't remember the exact. Polls what's assuredly a Gargantuan Underdog Against Hillary Clinton and obviously we know what happened so you know I'm not gonNa just like literally say like throw away the Poles but I'm basically saying throw away the polls because they just don't actually matter at this point but Jason's making all the correct substitute points by the way I've read a com two and a half months ago encouraging trump to reframe this election. We get out of this madness and hopefully we're getting out obviously sooner rather than later. Thank God we are in Texas are doing that. Trump needs to refrain in two thousand twenty elections a referendum on US China relations because Donald Trump especially in his social stratum in in terms of New York on a wealthy real estate class has always stood out versus pure. Because there's always been kind of bipartisan. Neil liberal consensus that is supported. Free Trade free borders free globalization with China. Donald trump who always has had more populous instincts obviously opposed NATO in the ninety S. he was kind of Pat. Buchanan kind of Reform Party type. Guy Has always been more skeptical of trade with China. He's always supported anymore kind of industrial policy. Kind of bring our supply chain back home rhetoric. He's always been a hawk on sanctions and China's Party. This is his terrain. This is his issue and Joe Biden is also uniquely vulnerable on this issue back in two thousand two thousand one he kind of shepherded in China to the WTO he got China. Most Favored Nation status. The World Trade Organization Biden. Obviously his son hunter in two thousand thirteen accompanied uncle. Joe To Shanghai you Kinda cash out on this Shanghai private equity firm. He's still making lucrative dollars to that to this very day. So Biden is a total total trainwreck. Beyond vulnerable on your job. Trump can frame the twenty election as a referendum on how to respond to this once. A lifetime flew on. Us China relations. He will be in very good shape and I would encourage him to. Do you guys see though because usually historically when we look at how the economy is doing usually is the the basis that people use to to place their vote right if the economy is doing well. They want to keep the incumbent. If the economy is not doing well they usually want to bring in someone new. But I just feel like you know to your point about the polls I just feel like it's really hard to rely on the Poles but be to rely on history to tell us this because it's so unprecedented. The reason that the economy is doing so poorly. I mean you can't look at Donald Trump and say he did anything wrong while I know that the left likes to say they put both things on him. Right they'll say well they're this over. Sixty thousand Americans have died and we've lost this many jobs and I'm like well which one I mean like you can't hit them on both. You can't dig him on both if you're going to him for the for the people who have died then you can't count the jobs because what you're saying is he should have done. Know he's got to do something about the death so shutting neath things down if you're gonNA say something about the jobs lost then you can't ding him for all of the death so it'll be interesting to see how this plays out but I certainly don't feel like history when it comes to. The economy can be really a predictor of this year's election. You're absolutely right. There's no precedent for this whatsoever. This is not a recession that we stumbled into some kind of cyclical thing that every capitalist nation goes through our economy sort of bad economic policy under Donald Trump right. Well it's a bad economic policy but the policy was a force shutdown force down. This is forced recession so normally in a recession if they're gonNA handle bailout money they'll say okay we're going to give out some money go out and spend it. That's not what happened here. They're like okay. We're going to give you some money because we're forcing you into recession. And we don't want you going to spend it. We want you to use this just to stay alive and the pay rent. That's I can't ever imagine when that's no that's just never happened before it. Hasn't I think where this might start to change is that the president is one of one of the only voices really there's other other states governor in Texas and a few others that are saying okay. Enough is enough. We've got to start opening up the economy but then you have other progressive governance states that are saying. No no no. We're GONNA keep this down for ludicrous amounts of time like I've seen July August. We'll reassess then are you kidding me. The money that they have available already isn't enough so on one hand you have the people saying let's continue to bear the pain on the other hand. You have the president saying let's get the economy going if when he's the only one with that megaphone. He's going to be the only one that has the creditability when they stand up in front of debate and say look. I'm the one trying to jumpstart this. You're obviously on the other hand wanting to keep things the way they are. Something's got to change. We're screwed Josh. Not so the problem. With the way the president has handled this pandemic. It's kind of honestly emblematic of a broader. The trump his rhetoric and his policies are just non sync with one another. And we. We've seen it. It's obviously over and over again throughout the trump presidency but rhetorically throughout the tweeting. Like you know all caps will the cure be worse than the disease and then like on? The policies just like deferring to Burr Berkshire Voucher. And everything right. We've seen this over and over again with trump. I mean foreign policy a great example. I mean by instinct again going back to the Pat Buchanan thing that we just talked about trump is kind of like bring our troops home kind of guy by instincts. But we're still not Ghanistan. Unlike we saw this peace deal with the Taliban will see what happens with that. But like we're we're still there. We're still in a lot of places that trump at least rhetorically as we get out of and that's because on the one hand he signals to his base by twitter and by other means but I'm policy even though he's commander in chief and he's the head of the entire executive branch does tend to defer to people who can easily won. Simmons so weird way. I'm not really sure how to explain all that but what I would encourage him to do is to stand with staying with the people who elected you in two thousand sixteen. It was we. The people was a populist uprising. Revolution and the people who elected Donald Trump between sixteen are not blue checkmark by coastal ruling class. Clarify that can just sit back and telecommute easily and just like work from home now. The people who elected Donald Trump are the people who've lost their jobs the people who've had their 401K's their savings is utterly liberated the small business owners the manufacturing workers the assembly line workers who trump should be listening to you right now those people and if he wants to win this fall needs to get his base in line asset and. I mean you know it might be different if the person who was challenging him was someone who could speak coherently. Could you know coherently? Come up with some sort of agenda that maybe sounded like. Hey you guys are in pain right now. You know you guys in flyover country hurting right. Now you're out of jobs. I understand that I can help you with that. But we've got someone who can't who can't do that. I mean who? Really? I'm sorry but like he's he should be off the stage. He should be at home eating pudding family like he should not be up there to massive fail to. Because that's what I was worried. Someone up there who really could articulate that it would be very scary speechwriter. That wrote the speech that he did. I've talked about it on the show before but this was before he officially declared although we all knew he was buying was going to declare he went to Michigan and it was some union. I think that it was talking to a factory or something like that. And Oh my gosh. His speech was amazing and he was all talking about helping them all the working people all the that's how Clinton rolled right into victory and you know and that's how Democrats took over for eight years. That's all they need to do. That's what Donald Trump was able to do. You kind of just stole that away from them but all they need to do have that had him be that guy. He's just not capable right. Now is the perfect time for him to take to to be those non blue check marks which are so furious all the people that are like. Oh my gosh blue checkmark we all know everyone else not us all right but even still they're like. How dare you defy that? You Know How del. Dare that chick like which I think. We'll talk about later. How dare those people shut up? You're like you're like me like I'm still getting money. I have the ability to work from home. The problem is I have the ability under recognized that there's millions of other people that don't have justice problem that's called empathy empathy. Good for you to have. They don't have it absolutely insane. Yeah all right coming up. We'll get into what governor newsom has said about California this terrifying to me. I can't wait to get Gentleman your take on this. I want to thank our sponsor net sweet so the last few months have taught us what is really important in our lives. 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That bad is really terrifying. And would it would. If that's truly what happens? Set such a crazy precedent to say. We can't go back out into society until a vaccine is tested and manufactured and released. But so yeah he said reopened for curbside pickup The employees must wear masks. They have to wear masks and Among these services because not everyone can do it right They can have sporting goods stores clothing stores bookstores flower shops. And basically what they call lower risk workplaces so the higher risk workplaces hair salons nail salons gyms all those places Obviously those are not allowed including by the way in person religious services. Those are not I mean. Obviously it's California so he's not to let you go back to church anytime soon over there in California Jason what are your thoughts on? How California is handling this pandemic? I've got a lot of relatives that live in California. That's where my wife's families from I lived there forever. It literally is leaving behind an iron curtain. Seriously as it's California Stan it's insane. I'm amazed about how they're just kind of willing to accept. All this like does not compute in my head at all and not only that but they become little brown shirt activists for a lot of these things. There's there's there there are some people standing up. I remember like Was that Huntington beach or. I can't remember Clemente where they had that one protest Specific of the parks and stuff. There are small pockets of resistance within that Socialist Republic. Um Inspire the way do include my friends. The hippies really being told that they cannot get sunshine and not go to the beach. I don't appreciate it. Took this for them to find welcome to the party. Join US until we vaccine thing is absolutely insane so this is the mindset of the government can save you from this virus right. The lockdown was never for that it was just so that hospitals wouldn't get overwhelmed and that initial wave now. You cannot sit this out until you save us to you. Come riding in and save us. Because you're not going to. What's absolutely insane is you're going to be. They're going to be sitting there with masks on for eighteen months now. Watching this thing lifts. Let's say a vaccine finally comes out. Their economy is utterly destroyed and the mask and finally come off now. What do you think's going to happen when that happens during the hit with all kinds of regular viruses because they've screwed their bodies up they have no natural immunity anymore from anything else? I guarantee you. There's going to be an outbreak of flu regular flu outbreak of WHO? The heck else knows because this is not how it's supposed to work. You're not supposed to walk around with these masks on using all these stupid. The hand sanitizers crap all the time killing off all year. All all the good bugs in your body from doing its job. It's not supposed to work that way. But that was never what the lockdown was meant for it. I think it says a lot. When you have a person in power that will stand up and say look. I'm going to save you from a virus. Which is so ludicrous. But I can't believe people actually believe that it's GonNa take twelve months or so but continue to do what we say screw you. I'm sorry Josh. It really is interesting to see how far the goalposts have moved on this. Jason was saying I mean I feel like I kept having to remind people you guys. You're not you're not saying in your homes to wait until a virus. It's not just going to just become self eradicated because you've been staying inside your home. Oh and by the way. Go into the grocery store and the liquor stores and all of these other places. So you're not truly quarantining It's very interesting to see how quickly the mainstream media and even a lot of doctors in the medical community kind of lost that narrative and shifted towards the. We have to make sure that we never get this virus ever Sarah. I have an eighty four year. Old GRANDPA The in Boca Raton Florida. Because where else would Jewish grandfather Florida Who SMOKED PAT cigarettes for decades? He's not. He's physically very slim but his lungs are not in great capacity. He's basically a high risk person finance disease. My GRANDPA has told me that he will not leave his house. Until there's vaccine and you know what that's his decision tonight choice. He's he's he's eighty four. He's a high risk person. Obviously that's his choice. That is all the difference in the world in eighty four year olds personal choice than the governor and the government telling you that you're not going to do this until the freaking vaccine out there. I mean I don't have a whole lot to add other than what Jason said. I mean as the goalpost shifting is just out of this world insane I mean when we when these draconian lockdown policies. I started we as a society to the extent. We consented all we were consenting to the flattening of the curve rhetoric. And don't get you know. Let's Talk Star the on the studies. And how will studies off whatever? But at the time we thought they were consenting literally for one metric one metric only which was limiting the hospital load. That was the only metric in the in everything that was relevant. It was not the legality rate not the fatality rate. Not the how easily transmitted none of that was relevant. It was literally one thing and it was a hospital. Load the fact that we could be waiting for a vaccine was I. It is out. There was outside the realm of anything that anything that even considering discussing lose orders a managed outside that quick and in California though so California's an interesting state right. You're very slender coastline. That is that is like bright bright blue but all you have to do is go twenty five thirty miles. Inland took a whole different country. I mean just anecdotally. A couple years ago I was doing a Claremont Institute fellowship. At new we're Newport beach. I gotta basically see the ocean from hotel. We went to the gun range in like Riverside County or was it was about a thirty five. Forty minute drive so really just going straight east from the coast inland. I felt like a real America that point he felt like Arizona. Nevada like Utah so did western state so not all of California's crazy. Unfortunately the people who control the state are in that very slender blue coastline. And I wouldn't want to live there because of that I don't think I honestly if I were living inland in California. Might kind of take it takes. My taxes. Friends started talking about this session. A little bit. Not Quite going to go there but Yeah this vaccine talk just absolutely nuts Kelly on your point. California is like the perfect case. Study on why? The electoral college is so important because the entire state is being held. Captive by populous areas Populous areas. La San Francisco places like that. Everyone lives under the mandate of how they believe right there and everyone screwed. I know I. I worked several elections when when I lived there and I flew to Northern California and I was like where is has. Has this place been the entire time I've lived here? It's so completely. Different is Republicans everywhere up there. But they're obviously not in San Francisco where there's like. What five million. Progressives that are voting controlling the entire state and that one spot yeah I mean I even look at Texas and how Texas handling this. I just saw a headline last night. That said Dallas County is already alerting the parents in their school district that they should prepare for at home learning in the fall. And that you know the the students might come once or twice a week but they should be prepared for online learning. And I'm like okay if even Texas goes through with the Ludicrous Idea. That even in the fall. We are still going to have to have our children at home. I'm just done for so let's Dallas Right. Yeah Dallas on the ISD. Excuse me things are growing in In Texas are insane. It's with Domus President Greg Abbott as the governor and you have all these things going on just because these little pockets like that. There's there's some hardcore blue areas and that people just don't even know about. I mean I'm thinking to myself you know we're talking about how crazy California is. They're gonNA eliminate their right to go on the beaches. Which is a great thing you can do for your immune system by the way is go. Get some Sunshine Vitamin D. They don't want you to be allowed to do that. You know they're eliminating the ways that you can help yourself and stay healthy and then I look at Texas and I'm like every study that we've that they've done shows that children are not really at high risk unless it's there's some sort of underlying immune condition. They're not at high risk the latest study. I saw said that children might not even be able to transmit it. So it's like why are we even talking about the possibility of at home learning for children next semester? In the fall it just seems insane. Yeah I mean my mom getting into the panic giving in to the fear. We'll give us the panic. I mean look I mean my mom a fourth grade public schoolteacher up in New York non-tax says but I mean the rhetoric. There is the exact same talking about zoom forever and my my mom rightfully to me all the time about how terrible it is It's really terrible but like Texas. We live in a fascinating state okay. I'm twenty eighteen when crews were sorry. Robert Francis Quote Veto Rock. I'm I'm sorry Sarah on by what two point six points to its own point. Statewide tarrant county. Where Fort Worth was went to bed. Oh by less than one point and those the first Honda tarrant county. I think when blue in any state election in decades so you know look I I am one of those people who say that Texas is GonNa Balloon a decade. That's not where I am. But it's a real issue. It's a real issue. I mean in two thousand and Two Thousand Twelve in Collin County where Plano is right here in the Dallas Fort Worth RS When crews beata whoever's I can't remember where we were. Whoever the challenge was the time he won Collin County by by roughly forty point? Seventy thirty that turned to a ten point. Fifty five forty five margin in two thousand eighteen. So we've got a really focused here onto in taxes on those suburbs. The Cities Dallas County. Where I live Harris County Houston might be a loss caused but the suburbs where it's at. That's where we got to fight into your point that the schools and the beaches those are not the high risk areas All all the statistics are coming out right now. The vast majority or a nursing homes or in those high risk demographics. Those people need to be safeguarded like your grandfather. They need to be safeguarded. We do everything we can to safeguard them but people on beaches. They're not they're not getting this virus and dying and massive scale people from schools. They weren't catching it or in any of those age groups. They weren't catching it like this. 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Of course I said she's a hair salon owner so they said you're not allowed to open they. She opened she said. We got a feed our families. We've got to feed our families. I've been on the unemployment line for I think she said that. Used an auto dialer and called over five hundred times could not get through which is not surprising since over. Two million Americans are now out of work. I'm sorry two million Texans are now out of work and so she tried to call. Couldn't get through said you know what screw it. I'm opening my doors anyway. I have to feed my kids. My my hair styles have to feed their kids and she got sentenced to seven days in jail plus fines now when the judge was sentencing. Her this is what's so crazy. Yesterday the judge was sentencing her and he said you can't avoid jail time shelly. If you would just admit to me publicly right here that you were wrong and that you are selfish And Shelley did not take too kindly to that but in a very Texan Female way was So classy and her response. Here's what Shelly had to say in response to the judge insisting you can just avoid jail time if you just admit you're wrong and selfish watch judge. I would like to say that I have much respect for this court and loss and that I've never been in this position before and it's not someplace that I want to be but I have to disagree with you Sir when you say that. I'm selfish because feeding my kids is not selfish. Well I have hair stylists better going hungry because they'd rather feed their kids so if you think the laws more important than kids getting fed please go ahead with your decision but I am not going to shut this along who. I have chills so so far today. At the time of this taping Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton and also of course governor Abbot. They both released statements. Basically I mean I think Paxton's was a little more Heavily worded than than Abbott's he said I I'm calling for the immediate release of Shelley Luther. Obviously he can't make them under his statement. Governor Abbot kind of said the same thing he said. Hey when I gave this order. I didn't mean for these things to happen. I didn't mean for people to be jailed I don't agree with the decision. That's about as far as Governor Abbott. But so far as the time of the taping shelly. Luther still sits in jail Jason. I feel like you have a lot to say on this so when I saw this the first thing. I'm GonNa talk fast because I do have to say I saw this. I had that chill moment where I I read. Atlas shrugged the thing that I was in the tenth grade tenth grade and I remember seeing The was still guy's name Reardon when the the The courtroom scene where they're all see squaring off with the judges and they're basically giving him the spiel similar to that and he stood there and finally said No. I will sell to whoever I want to sell. It doesn't for the common good we talk about for the common good. I'm I'm a businessman. I'm going to sell based off of who I want to sell to and I. It was just always amazing but that was basically the same exact thing we used to say. I think it was Martin. Luther King Jr that said that if a law or he actually said law even though this is not a law she's standing into finds a frigging executive order. This is not a law. But she's standing in defiance of that but Martin Luther King Jozsef if it's unjust and were willing to you know to to show that it's unjust break that law and be willing to go to prison for that. Then you have more respect for the wall than the people are trying to enforce the injustice injustice on you boom right there and that's exactly what that is and if anyone else wants to say that this woman is selfish for that. GimMe a frigging break. This is unjust. And there is no non essential business when you have your starving family on one side and on the other side you've got what the heck do I do all businesses if if it goes towards your livelihood are essential they all are and the government has no right to say for the common good a non essential? Now screw that screw you so I love show. She's a frigging hero. Josh Shelly continues to mention her interviews that the the dog groomer a couple of doors down from her salon allowed to be open considered essential however grooming jobs more important than grooming humans. She had to be closed. So this is one of the most tyrannical aspects of all. This is just the utterly arbitrary way that these governors municipal mayors etcetera are just going about choosing what is essential and what is not and obviously the progressives are going to shut down the gun stores and promote the abortion clinics. But something like this. How do you rationalize that? I mean that's just beyond arbitrary Quick comment on that video. The judge Bane from like a little bit yes and also. I want to be like your honor. The mass doesn't work when you have a beard. That's it's been an all the headlines. I don't know how you missed it but when you have that right. I heard the same thing Unfortunately for me because my beer was quite long last week. But I'm on the on the legal point. Look I I actually was gonna make the comparison to the civil rights civil disobedience myself on now look to can be true. Of course I I'm a I'm a lawyer. I'm a bar lawyer here in Texas. I haven't been suing the state bar. I meant claim lawsuit says now are year and a half old. We're still winning. Are Judge on it but I am still a member of the State Bar Texas. So I'M NOT GONNA go here. Get on your encouraged people to violate the law. Even if it's not a loft or whatever having said that okay the American constitutional order the English. The common law tradition that we inherited from England are statutory law are ridden lied cetera. Collect we will call that the positive law it's the law that we society positively decreed legal theorists for hundreds of years really for a thousand years honestly if not longer than that probably going back to the ancient Greece. Thousands of years have understood that that is not the highest the highest of course is the natural law and under any coherent theory of natural law. You have a natural right to earn a living. Okay when Thomas Jefferson Wrong Declaration of independence and you have a natural right to life. Liberty and the pursuit of happiness directly employed in there. That you have a right to earn women. You have a right to bring home. The Proverbial Brennan the Bacon to put food on your family's table and to live happily and again. I'M NOT GONNA get here like applaud per se. Someone who is violating the law but wink. Wink Nudge Nudge Natural Law is above are possible I know I've tweeted out. Shelly's go fund me if anyone is interested in Contributing to her legal expenses. I know there have been a lot of Americans who have contributed in the last twenty four hours With three hundred thousand. Yeah it's been really really amazing to watch America come together over this. We've got more coming up I who went to thank our sponsor rough Greens so if you are a dog parents okay not really apparent but if you are a dog owner And you want to think Oh. I'm feeding my dog. The best food out there. I'm giving them the best of the best. I spent so much money on this dry food if you're giving them dry food there's nothing left that's alive in an all right. 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You will see the difference in your dog in fourteen days or less. All you gotTa do is go to Rough. Greens dot com slash blaze. That is are you. F- F- rough rough rough Greens dot com slash blaze. Back in a minute all right. Nancy Pelosi is She's refusing to answer any more questions about the sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden. She cases closed for her. Apparently because Joe Joe. Here's what Nancy how to say. Do you view this as it closed issue. Or what is your response? It is for me. I have said I am proud to support Joe Biden for president. I believe him when he says it didn't happen but I also believe him when he said let them and Look into the records. And that's what they should do. But I'm not going to answer this question and again I will just say. I have every confidence that Joe Biden mobile great of the United States. Not only because of the person of integrity that he is but the person of vision that he is for just some of the things. You've talked about Joe Biden. Is Joe. Leave all women unless the man of the Democrat national. Pass the silence from the bill. I'd say I was just about say did from Democrats on this has been deafening. But also from the media how they've handled very true very true The difference between Cavenaugh and now is just so ridiculous. I think that's the biggest thing to pull out of. This is how they're treating it. I've So Glenn show tonight is going to be all about this and we kind of we kind of took it of look. Let's there's a standard that actually ironically enough Joe Biden helped set up back during the Obama Administration. He's the one that pretty much started this. We'll just believe all women and there's multiple stories about how this Reu severely screwed the lives of several people on college campuses But he's the one that helps start this now. It's kind of coming back and biting him right now but we kind of we need to redefine the standard of this lens that we look through some of these cases. How credible is the case? When was it made you know where there were there? Witnesses were did are they? You know an an operative for the Clintons for this person you know. They have a dog in this fight. Basically we analyze all these things and that's kind of. I think they've done that in a you know the media has in this case for Terry. They didn't do that for for on. That's pretty much. The Standard has to be all the time. We've gotTA look with through. All these cases was skepticism. We have to be skeptical about it. Believe all women no listen to a woman. Yes two different things Josh again. The Gopal shifting here is just out of this world. I mean like the same people who are saying believe. All Women Cavenaugh are are trying to do this. Listen to all your literally not the same thing. Okay like all you need is probably second or third grade. English language EDUCATION UNDERSTAND THAT. Believe and listen to are not the same. I can listen to a million different things that I don't believe I can listen to religious doctrines political doctrines anything that like. I find absolutely insane. That doesn't mean I believe in it for God's sake so we're talking to an elementary English language misunderstanding although honestly misunderstanding giving too much credit people. It's a willful deliberate. Obfuscation they are I. It's comical is a comical actually is not even like bad enough. I it would be comical. Were not so Disastrous disastrous because what harms. Obviously all these shenanigans who they harm or the actual genuine victims of sexual assault. Okay that is who is being harmed here and you know like Nancy Pelosi. Obviously Nancy Pelosi doesn't have like an you know a bone filled with integrity and her entire body and she hasn't had that for decades now taught someone who has sold out to the to the Chinese repeatedly Dianne Feinstein are oftentimes on an entirely different level. But look I don't actually have a strong opinion on the merits honestly on the road by claim. I frankly haven't spent a whole lot of time being into it. I'm Mike I'm pretty agnostic. I mean maybe maybe it didn't but I value so much more than having a strong opinion on the merits is intellectual consistency. Don't a freaking hypocrite. Like take one standard and stick with it. Have some courage here. There's there is leagues more. There's more reason to actually call for an investigation. Yeah if you're analyzing both Kevin on and the an terry stuff blazing Chris before it. Had nobody cooperating. Her story not only that but the people she said were her friends. They were friends mind you. She said they would cooperate it. They said no that did not happen. And not only that but no. I don't think that happened at all on. This case has multiple people saying that. Hey you know back. In Ninety three ninety four she came right up to me and said this happened. Snuck some of them say harassment. She talk to them about harassment. Some of them actually say that there was a salt so again. There's weirdness here she has She has more corroborating witnesses but she also just has some funky us going onto. She's changed her story you've had I last year. She said there was just harassment. Then later a year later she said no he also assaulted me. Why would you do that? Yeah there's also a great reason to investigate it exactly. We need more information period on this but the other weird thing though that I had there's the Russia thing I'm not even GonNa go there because I'm so sick of that. She did write blogs that. Were like hey I love me some Russia okay? Whatever I personally don't think that matters. I do matters. She did as of like maybe two years ago. She was still riding I don't say opera like blog posts and tweeting favorably towards Joe Biden. Now you're not saying. Hey this guy's a champion of women's rights if he sexually assaulted you and you're planning on coming out in a couple years ago and calling them at that makes that's inconsistent since again that needs to be looked into and I will say to your point about consistency on the side of the left. You know you have Lisa Bloom. Who is the daughter of Gloria allred? Who is also you know? Lisa's also herself a prominent Hashtag need to attorney prominent feminist. She even came out and said she didn't say I don't believe her. She said I believed terror. Read I see how Joe Biden I just? I'm really sorry but I'm GonNa vote for him anyway because we have to get rid of Donald Trump. I mean that right. There tells you how the left fields when it comes to true sexual assault allegations. It's not whether or not they really have the conviction that you know. They want to help women. It's just does it politically benefit them to call something out. So Gloria one from wrong but western Gloria allred. Who in the late nineteen ninety s? Said that Bill Clinton could be getting you know what in the Oval Office and he was. She would still bother him if he made abortion. Legal Gory Alright. It runs daughter in apparently runs in the family I mean just disgraceful stuff all along with that that co founder of the hill and politico who said the exact same thing absolutely insane. Said he didn't care what happened. He was still voting. Coronation of Joe Biden. All right back in a minute. He said that even causes more who are yesterday's poll. Should it trump bail out the states or let them go bankrupt? Overwhelmingly you said? Let them go bankrupt. Go bankrupt you heartless. Just kidding I agree with you. Ninety three percent of you said bankrupt seven percent said today's poll. What would be the hardest thing to sit through and watch beginning and all right here your options? Are you ready? I don't know how you pick becoming by Michelle Obama reliable sources with Brian stelter. Joe Biden's podcast or the CUOMO brothers bantering on live television. I picked trump bridge. That's what I thought I'm going. I'm definitely watching. Joe Biden's podcast. That'd be frigging hilarious. That's true so can I do my own police? Say That's the one I actually WANNA watch. Because I can't I probably wouldn't be able to get through that by the hypothetical establish that earlier back. I mean you can't you can't pick stelter. Honestly be the MOST INSEPARABLE BECAUSE BRIAN. Sell this planet. But there's no wrong choice. They're crazy I read. He was thirty four. It blew my mind. Yes thank you I just lawyer mine. I couldn't believe it I will not a good look for Seltzer.

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United States Has More Deaths Than Any Other Country Due To Coronavirus

Erin Burnett OutFront

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United States Has More Deaths Than Any Other Country Due To Coronavirus

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I'm Erin Burnett out front tonight the US closing in on a sobering milestone tonight nearly one hundred thousand lives have now been lost in this country to corona virus that is more than any other country in the world and in fact it is nearly one in four deaths around the world taking place in the United States of America. It is not a number that should ever be celebrated in any way but this was the message today from President Trump on twitter. He wrote quote for all of the political hacks out there. If I hadn't done my job well and early we would have lost one and a half to two million people as opposed to the one hundred thousand not the first time he has that tone about a death toll which was unimaginable and of course much of it even preventable. Just three months ago we would have lost two million. We will lose more if we did it a different way. But you're talking about a hundred thousand more a little bit. Less more. Who knows people were thinking. In terms of one point five million lives lost to two point two without the mitigation. And hopefully we're going to come in below that hundred thousand lives lost. One hundred thousand is not just a number of course these are human beings. He's are people brothers and sisters mothers and fathers. The president also suggesting that his actions prevented the worst case scenario by the some models projected now. Of course the reality is we all is that the models have swung wildly right. There has been projections of sixty thousand. Deaths up to two point. Two million It comes as we see a country with You know mixed results. The reality of it is is of this hundred thousand number which he says there's so much lower than it would have been well. Many of those deaths were completely preventable. If the United States had acted sooner one hundred thousand dead Americans is an unprecedented total. It is a number not lost at once since World War Two in this country and tonight a new warning from trump's former FDA commissioner we now see a trend in uptick in hospitalizations. It's a small uptick but it is an uptick an unmistakable and it is probably a result of reopening. Jason Carroll is out front live in New York and Jason an uptick in hospitalizations. Obviously is very important. Right because uptick in cases could be the result of more more cases are more testing but hospitalizations is very real number and it is adding to a national picture. That's still is murky right. It is market because you know in some places in some states. The numbers are up and in other places number. The numbers are down. What health officials say Aaron is to look at the country as a whole and to not let one's guard down when it comes to trying to beat this virus as the nation steadily closes in on one hundred thousand deaths from Corona virus the number of new cases across the country holding steady in thirteen states with twenty state seeing declines in new cases. Still alarming numbers in seventeen states seeing increases in new cases including Missouri and Arkansas where the governor described a second peak more encouraging news. Coming from the epicenter of the pandemic. New York's governor rang the opening bell to mark the Stock Exchange reopening the trading floor after an historic two month hiatus. New York is back where we opening across the state and We'RE GONNA get back to be better than neighboring New Jersey taking a significant step. The Governor says outdoor graduations will be allowed starting July six still the World Health Organization urging caution saying there could be a second peak if people become complacent troubling images like these are of particular concern. To health officials fallout from this pact. Holiday Weekend Pool Party in the ozarks. After the video went viral Missouri Health officials issued a travel advisory telling those who did not practice social distancing to self quarantine for fourteen days. Back deputies like this This is inter- international example of exactly what not to do and this has potential of setting back Missouri. Moving forward with phase reopening. The same with Arkansas. Where standalone bars for example can now serve patrons in a limited capacity and some say it's long overdue. I could get killed by Kovin today or I could get hit by a bus or car tomorrow. I am practicing proper hand washing. I'd Jane in Georgia earliest states to ease restrictions. The number of new cases has just about remained steady over the past month. This is several students from and Atlanta. Private school who graduated by drive thru tested positive for covid nineteen after attending an unsanctioned graduation gathering and while there is encouraging word from another company called. Novak's joining the ranks to begin a human vaccine trial. Some health experts continue with grave warnings. Let me just say the virus itself is going to do what it's going to do. You know we're not driving this tiger. Were riding it an errand this disappointing development coming from the CDC. Today it has to do with those antibody tests turns out the CDC says that half the time the results of those antibody tests are simply wrong and then they put these developments saying that. They're not accurate enough to to foreign policy going forward they also say they should not be using decisions in terms of whether or not people should go back to work or school. Aaron all right Jason. Thank you very much pretty incredible. They're saying half of them are are inaccurate. And I know they're saying that also even areas where there's been high exposure like Where Jason I are tonight New York? Okay now gonNA Dr Sanjay Gupta Dr. She's jaw director of the Harvard. Global Health Institute Sonya. Let me start with you Jason. Just talking about that. Cdc Guidance on these antibody tests. And you've done a lot of work on this and they're now saying the tests might be wrong up to half the time even in areas where there's been you know where a lot more people have been sick from the virus not just places where very few people have been impacted. I mean that's incredibly unreliable. I mean that that's basically you can't count on it at all. I mean. Should they be used at all right now? These antibody test. I don't think that we should be making any decisions using those antibody tests and I spent a fair amount of the weekend actually talking to folks who are helping create these tests To get to get a better understanding but there's a few things one is that there are a lot of tests that were put out as you know. Aaron we've talked about it. Initially that were just unreliable tests. They weren't validated. They weren't very good test. Also we don't we still don't know the exact meaning of the antibodies are going to provide in terms of how long people would be protected as a result of having these antibodies. How strong that protection would be. It's like they're going to have some protection but we just don't know the extent of it yet also to your point that you're making Aaron. The tests aren't going are not going to work. As well and areas where you have a low prevalence of people with antibodies. If that makes sense the higher the prevalence the more that the test is going to be powered appropriately if you only have five or ten percent of the population that has antibodies. You're probably GONNA end up getting a lot of false positives as a result which I think was your point you were making Aaron. False positive is is the worst kind of results right because then you think I've got the antibodies. I'm good to go. You're not in and so the tests aren't good enough right now. So Dr John You know. Is there way to make these tests more accurate? You know one question. People have been asking me to say okay. Well I understand that you know. I live in an area where you know. Even if it's five or ten percent you know there may not be a lot of comparable people right to tested again so why not use it against a population where it is you know? There's this sort of hard to understand. Why why they're so inaccurate. So there's a lot of work being done on. Dr Gupta said you one of the problems that's happened. Is We rushed seventy eighty of these tests onto the market without proper testing and validation vast majority of these are really very very poor quality. There are few that are coming on that. I think are GonNa have very high specificity. That's the measure that we use to really make sure you're not going to generate a lot of false positives. So part of this all rushing in a new disease. Try TO GENERATE NEW TEST. And you really need an effective. Fda that can help provide oversight to make sure only high-quality tests are getting through that bar and getting out to the marketplace. So there's this huge question right about antibody testing and then there's the question that we've been asking Which is the this uptick? I it was cases. Now it's hospitalizations. Why are we seeing that? And you just heard the former FDA commissioner under president trump Sanjay Scott Gottlieb. He said that the upward trend in hospitalizations is his words. Probably a result of reopening. And then you know we've all we've all seen this awful picture In the ozarks right and I thought the governor there in Arkansas was upset by that as well. Sunday do you. Can we say at this point? That that's of these hospitalizations are linked to or not yet. I think there's a good chance that I mean we. We don't know for sure but if you look at for example I live in Georgia. You know things were. It's been about a month. Roughly that things have been opened up in about two weeks ago. You started to see a slight uptick in the number of people who were diagnosed with the infection. There's so many different factors Aaron. You have more testing possibly. That's driving that as well but but I do think you have a contagious virus out. There people are more out and about. You're going to see an uptick in infections. You can almost be certain that it's just a question of how. How many more infections one thing I will say? And I'm and I think Dr John has mentioned this before as well. But it's not a binary thing open reopen. I mean open or closed as people start to open. I think that some of the messages that we've been talking about getting out there people even though those images you just showed our hard to watch. Frankly I mean it makes me feel like I'm not doing a good job. That people aren't listening at all but but most people are though. I think most people are still maintaining physical distance wearing masks. So it's a little a little bit of a different gradual sort of opening and what about the fact you know we've been watching this numbers. Seventeen states seeing their cases. Go Up Twenty. I've seen their numbers. Go down. Thirteen holding steady You know four more states than we've got four more states now than last week. That are seeing numbers. Go Down Last week it was a little to tell you know why we were seeing this. This sort of not going in the right direction. Increasingly was it because there was more testing or was it because more people are getting sick. Is The picture any clearer now? A week later so unfortunately not much mean the way I look at this. It really is. We're GONNA almost surely see a lot of divergence across states because you know Sunday said you really have a spectrum. You have some places that have opened up where people are doing a really good job of maintaining social distancing. They have good testing infrastructure. And I expect those places to stay flat or go down over time and there are other states that are being less careful and in some ways. These things can take several weeks before they really show up. And the more testing can muddle the picture hospitalizations and death even though they are lake markers they really tell you the the most concrete story and I think in the upcoming weeks. Unfortunately we'll have more data where some states probably have gone the wrong way and Saturday before we go. I want to show you a chart from the CDC. This is percentage of deaths by age groups. So you can see. Nearly sixty percent of the deaths are in people who are over the age of seventy five When you look at the zero to seventeen years zero percent so at this point should kids. Who can stay away from older adults? Right could stay away from grandparents. Whoever it may be go back to school go back to camp. I think you may start to make a case for that. I think the if you start to say quantify how much advantage are we getting from keeping kids out of school grade school kids at least out of off the whole of things maybe two three percent according to some studies that were done in published in the? Lancet the challenges. We're learning every day. Erin right I mean. This is something that we're all learning together. They can still be carriers. You know so. Even if they're trying to be good about not visiting grandparents and things like that they can still be spreading to people within the school who may be elderly people within the community who may be elderly and we gotta keep our eye on this this multi inflammatory syndrome as well. It is rare thankfully but now twenty-seven states reporting children who developed this. This inflammatory like syndrome. Which which can be concerning. You don't know for sure who those kids are yet. We have to better identify. Who's really at risk and make sure we can take care of the symptomatic spread. What would help a lot? She should set it many many times. I think since last few months testing and banging the drum on that but if you could test at these schools you have some idea it. You'd have a lot more confidence that you wouldn't spread and people have more psychological confidence as well right. A lot of this obviously is psychological. Too Right thank you both very much. And next pharmaceutical giant Merck. Now entering the race for a cure are we getting any closer to a vaccine doctor who had a pivotal role in the early development of H. I. V. Aids Treatments is my guest plus the administration says it's looking at a four hundred fifty dollars bonus to encourage people to go back to work. Will it work Gary Cohn former economic adviser top advisor for the president and former Goldman Sachs executives out front and the breaking news twitter for the first time labeling the president's tweets with a back check how will that work we expect a lot from our homes? They're more than a place to hang your hat. Your home is where you try your handed gardening and new recipes rest and recharge work and play. And that's why at home advisor were committed to keeping your home up running no matter what from the projects that creep up on you like appliance repairs. 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But just how close are we to a vaccine that works out front now? Dr William Hazeltine former professor at Harvard Medical School and the School of Public Health. He's now the chair and president of access health international that house. I appreciate your help you so I wanted to start off by asking you about vaccines when you hear. Mark now getting into the race for a corona virus vaccine Biotech company Novak's announcing. It's begun human trials for potential vaccine. You know we just hear these headlines. Every day. What's your reaction first of all. I'm very happy that our entire the entire world's pharmaceutical biotech industry is involved in this. If it can't be done they're the ones to do it. So that makes me happy second. Has I think everybody should be cautious. At this point we if vaccine can be developed. Everybody's asking when when they should be asking if that's what scientists are asking We're hopeful we Have some indications that there's some positive indications but we also have some warning signs that some of the vaccines that have been tested that we have some idea of how they're working are working completely for example in one study all the animals that were vaccinated got infected. Their lungs were clear but their nasal passages weren't. That's pretty typical of these vaccines. So the question right now is if not really when maybe in a few months. We'll have a better fix on whether it's when but we don't know that yet so into that point. I've been talking to Dr Hill. Easily researcher in the Oxford Vaccine Child Right. They've been using tried and true technology. They they've been saying they were what eighty percent certain they've had would have an effective vaccine by fall. They're now saying they're fifty percent certain but that's because the prevalence of the disease has dropped in the UK where they're doing the trial right. So they're they're saying it's because of prevalence of the disease and the population not because of the vaccine itself. What do you make of that? There are one hundred thousand people that got infected today and they'll be another one hundred thousand people that are infected in the world tomorrow. That's not a shortage of patients. It's puzzling to me. Why they would say such a thing. What I fear is that there is a move to try to use a live virus to challenge healthy people. Give them a vaccine and then rather than wait to see if they get infected. That's dangerous and I believe unethical. Their plenty of patients out there Plenty of new infections. So if they're willing to spread their net beyond Great Britain. They should be able to do it. I think it's because they're in a hurry and because they're trial isn't using enough people because they are in a hurry. This is not a time to rush a necessarily yes do everything you can quickly but do it carefully meticulously so we can really believe the answers and don't take unethical risks so if there are people who are willing though to be part of that challenge trial to be infected right even knowing that there may not be a treatment if they become Incredibly sick you still don't think that that would be the right thing to do. Even if that did dramatically curtail the time line of a possible vaccine. I don't think so for the following reason. First of all it is unnecessary. There are plenty of people around secondly is uninformative because most of the people who do that are going to be young. And who really needs the vaccine? Oh well nobody in their right mind. Would you have a live? Virus old susceptible person needs the vaccine and air those two together. It's unethical memory good. Memory of the horrors of human experimentation starting in the nineteen forties and fifties the muskie trials here in the US. Do we really want to go back to that when we don't have to? I don't think so and we don't know who's going to work before we go. Merc announcing an antiviral drug separate from a vaccine right. This would be a treatment. Does this hold more promise for you? I am very pleased that people in developing antiviral drugs. That's what worked for as it's clearly going to work here. The current drugs don't work very well. That's off the shelf. Started off the shelf and they're tailor made for this virus and I would say with very high confidence. Those drugs will eventually work. They will work not only to hear the. Ill prevent them from getting sick. They'll also work in some cases to prevent healthcare workers who are exposed from getting sick right now. We may even have things on the brink. We have things like hyper-immune. Gamma Globulin from convalescence. Sarah that can protect people can help people can cure people so that is good news. All right well I appreciate your time Dr Hazeltine thank you. You're welcome. Thank you very much and next stocks are up home. Sales are up but could the worst still be ahead. Gary Cohn former trump adviser former CEO of Goldman Sachs's snacks and Joe Biden. Fighting back after trump mocks him for wearing a mask. He's a full map fool to talk that way tonight. National Economic Council Director. Larry cudlow says the White House is very carefully words looking at a potential back to work bonus under the Republican proposal. Unemployed workers who get a job would receive a temporary bonus four hundred fifty dollars on top of their weekly wages out front now is Gary Cohn former director of National Economic Council under president trump and a former president and CEO COO. I'm sorry Gary Goldman Sachs so you've talked a lot about this issue of the fact that the whole goal of the original Assistance was to keep people home so we were paying people more than they would earn in the workplace to get them to stay home. So now you're going to say if you go back to work get four hundred fifty dollar bonus on top of that. Does that even out to encourage people to go back to work? Well thanks for having me. Look. I understand what they're trying to do? They're trying to get people back into the workforce xactly what has to be done. I completely agree that the way to recover. Our economy is to get people back in the workforce. There's an enormous multiplier for every person you get back in drag other people back in because that person demands goods and services as they reenter the workforce so encouraging people to get back into the workforce. We'll drag along other people so I understand the mission and so if the government is going to spend money on employers and employees. I'd rather spend it to get them back into the workforce then having sit at home and setting. Ideally we do have to understand. There are some limiting factors. We still have not opened up daycare. We still haven't opened up schools so there are a bunch of limiting factors that we're going to have to deal with the get people back into their everyday normal life and to that point a Fox News poll curious people whether we should wait to reopen the economy or not fifty five percent said we should wait Even if it makes the economic crisis last longer thirty four percent say the country should reopen even if it makes the public health crisis last longer so two very different point of view but as you can see fifty five percent saying wait. How do you get the economy moving? If more than half of Americans think we should still be waiting to open up and I ask it in the context of what what everyone watching and you and I both know which you can open a state. But people don't feel like going back out. They just they don't right so you need you need that confidence We just don't have it yet. Look we do need the confidence but remember. We need the confidence by seeing people going out and interacting in the economy and seeing positive results so for the last two months. Almost we've been sitting at home and we've been hearing the right thing to do is to stay home. We need to protect each other. We need to flatten occur. So it's very difficult to change people's mindset instantly from. You need to stay home. And that's the right thing to do for your fellow citizens to now. You need to go out so this has to be an incremental approach and I. I actually think that's what we're trying to do right now. We're trying to have an incremental approach doping different parts of the economy earlier in the show. You showed the data how it's affecting different states and how the virus is coming back and certain states. It's not coming back and other states and that's something that we're going to have to be very careful about and look this. All goes hand in glove with testing. We're going to continuously have to test so we understand. What are the implications of reopening the economy? So you know I know. You're not a market prognosticator. But you know you look at unemployment. Real unemployment is what twenty percent? Maybe maybe maybe worse than not right at this point and and yet you got the Dow back to where it was eleven weeks ago when all this began consumer confidence jumped new home. Sales have gone up. I mean how. How does all of this add up to you? Those if I said Oh confidence is going up. Newham says are going up. The Dow is its highest level. Eleven weeks and then I tell Ya. Unemployment a twenty percent part of me says one of those things to be really really off and I know the unemployment numbers are real at least for now. The unemployment numbers are real. I don't think anyone's debating that but the Dow represents the thirty biggest companies in the country. The thirty maybe that thirty most important companies and even today was a perfect example. The Dow the thirty companies in the Dow outperformed the S. and P. Five hundred the five hundred biggest companies by almost one percent. So you're seeing different returns for different companies based their importance in based on the relevance and the market indices that we tend to look at on a daily basis or the biggest and most important companies if we looked at index of the smallest five hundred public companies in America. Today we would get completely different results. We would see companies that are really struggling struggling to stay alive. Let alone have their share price. Go Up. How quickly do you think unemployment will improve dramatically? Well remember the unemployment numbers that we see. Every month are lagging. So we'll continue to see some bad numbers and as we get people more and more comfortable re entering the economy and we get more and more people back to work and we get more normalized activity. We will see the economy recover. But we've got to change the mentality of people as I said we're used to hearing stay home and stay home. Is the right thing to do. We now need to hear. It's okay to go shopping. And maybe it's okay to go shopping. If there's only four people in the store five people in the store we need to come out with some real rules that make people comfortable leaving their home and re engaging in the economy again all right Gary Com. Thank you very much. I appreciate it as always. It's a fair point we need. We really need those. Those specifics everywhere. So much uncertainty. Everybody has different rules. Thank you and next. President trump pressed on why he was mocking. Joe Biden wearing masks. Thought it was very unusual that he had one on plus twitter now fact checking the president for the First Time. You can see it there at the bottom of the tweet. Get the facts about mail in ballots and now tonight the trump campaign responding. There's a place where the wicked witch of the West Mine. Bernice meets the king in the north where meets art and a fresh Prince Meets Dark Knight. It's a place where friends laugh about life while others keep coming back to life it's were all of. Hbo Meets The Greatest Collection of movies shows and new Max originals for everyone in the family. Hbo Max where Hbo Meets so much more. Not all titles available at launch tonight. Joe Biden firing back at President trump. After the president re tweeted this post from Fox News analyst Brett Hume Mocking Biden for wearing face masks on Memorial Day. It says quote. This might help. Explain why trump doesn't like to wear a mask in public. Here's how Biden responded in an exclusive interview with our Dana Bash. He's a fool fool to talk that way. I mean every leading doc in the world saying we should wear masks when you're in a crowd. The truth of the matter is that I think you're supposed to lead by example front now for public governor of Ohio. John Casick also Dr. Jonathan Reiner member of the outright medical team who advise the White House medical team under President George W Bush and of course A A heart surgeon case. Let me start with you. You know president trump obviously mocking a policy that his own administration has put in place right. His own doctors wear when they're there but when he re tweeted that that post You know this might help. Explain why trump doesn't like to wear a mask in public Showing Biden today. What what do you say to the President Governor BE LEADER BE LEADER? You know? Aaron leaders They just have to set an example. And I there's no example being said here and it's just extremely disappointing and frankly I also think that it's contributing to some of these folks out here who against the better judgement of medical personnel. Like the guest you have on with me would say you got to be responsible and wearing a mask means you're showing respect to all the medical personnel who are out there putting their lives at risk. It's terrible it's just. There's just no excuse for it Erin. It's just unbelievable to me. And you know. Look even his his friends on the world stage. Bb Netanyahu front page a Financial Times. He wears a mask right there. The people the leaders are wearing masks of countries. Countries leaders are wearing mass reiner. President trump was asked today about why he tweeted the post And here is the reason that he gave Biden wear masks but he was sending outside with his wife. Perfect conditions perfect weather there inside. That wear masks and so. I thought it was very unusual that they had one on and it came after. Dr Reiner White House. Press Secretary Kelly mcenaney said it was peculiar Biden. Wear masks outside. And not when he's inside His home obviously that that doesn't make any sense and and obviously the reason he was wearing a mask was to make the point that it was important to wear a mask right right so for the million time. Let's make very simple. We save lives when we wear masks outside. Because we prevent ourselves from transmitting the virus unknowingly to other people when we're in our own homes. We don't need to wear a mask. This country is rapidly becoming separated by those who believe in science and listen to scientists like Dr FAO chief Dr Burks and those who listened to the president and it's becoming very very destructive. I don't really care whether the president believes in masks a the astrophysicist Neil degrasse Tyson has said the good thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not but the thing is when he says something the public believes and when the public beliefs him they stop wearing masks and they stopped social distancing and that is killing people governor Kasich. The Republican governor of North Dakota Doug Burgum Was Emotional on this Topic here's what he told his constituents if someone is wearing a mask they're not doing it to represent what political party the inner what candidates they support. They might be doing it because they've got five year old child who's who's been going through cancer treatments. They might have full horrible adults in their life. Who are currently up near fighting governor. That was a good man point here. This is not political. You know Aaron thing for just back not that long ago to what? We used to call Natural Disaster America where we saw people showing up where there was terrible flooding and they get on these boats. They go and rescue people. Nobody was saying. Are you from a red state or a blue state? And frankly I think most people are aware of this. I think most people are acting responsibly. But it is. It's pretty interesting to see the numbers that are not and again back to natural disaster. America brought out the best in us. Just yesterday. I was watching The Battle of the Bulge these credible people that put their lives on the line wearing a mask is really about respecting others and not transmitting. This is not complicated. And there's no reason for this but it is beginning to tell us when you see this Erin. The deep divisions that we have in our country it's symptomatic of these divisions and they must be healed. If we're going to be a strong you know the strongest country we can possibly be. That's already made the point. You know talking about Neil degrasse Tyson on the facts. The president's actions and his words are having an impact on what people do all right. Here's one man in Alabama. He said this to our Gary Tuchman. If he's not wearing. I'm not gonNA wear mashed if he's not worried. I'm not worried. The president. Yes sir I mean. That's exactly what what is happening in some places. That's just the reality. Some people they see and they do it you his words matter they matter a lot and the the the cause people to Doubt Science. Look in in our hospital. We tested antibodies in people who work in the cove environment and you know in healthcare providers nurses and docs there are actually lower than in the general population. And that's been emulated in places like Colombia in New York because we wear masks masks prevent the transmission of virus from one person to another but they get in the way of the presence narrative that we're moving back to normal. If you wearing a mask how could things be normal? It's a really cynical calculus. The president is is forcing the country to choose between science and politics and it's it's a really disastrous situation. All right when I was elected governor it was. I liked the governor. It was a little bit bumpy and I've made a comment here. They're smart Aleck or whatever getting used to the job. My wife looked at me one night and she said John. You're the father of Ohio. Wanted to act like it. I repeated that to the president of the United States. You're the father of the country. Act like it. If he act like we'd be more united and we wouldn't have these divisions I hate to have to say it but you gotta sometimes tell it like it is thanks Aaron. All right well I thank you and thanks to you as well. Doctor Reiner's always the first time twitter's fact checking trump's tweets and tonight president trump has just responded and Brazil breaking another sobering record Brazil's now surpassed the United States with the most reported coronavirus deaths over forty eight hour period. One cemetery one hundred three people were buried in one day. We're going to take you there. Live breaking news twitter at fact checking the president for the first time twitter tonight added. You know this is. This is never happened before. Fact checking links to president trump's tweets about mail in voting as you can see twitter now prompting users to get the facts about mail in ballots because with the president had tweeted wasn't true clicking on that link takes users to a page which includes a section. What you need to know and the move follows. Trump's false claims today that mail in ballots cast in California will be quote substantially fraudulent and result in quote rigged election. Tonight trump responding on twitter. Of course writing twitter's completely cycling free speech and is President won't allow it to happen. Brian stelter joins me. Now I want to talk about that in one second but I the significance of this move. Twitter's been under a lot of pressure to do it. It's not easy to do. It's a slippery slope what what prompted it. Now it's a step toward twitter being more of a newsroom acting more like an editor and once they've taken this action once they will be under pressure to do it again and again because the president posts hundreds of things that are untrue or misleading or dangerous on the platform. Twitter up until now has not taken action. So it's a big deal that they are taking action. However this is like spitting at Godzilla or spitting into the ocean. Pick whatever metaphor you want. This is a very minor action toward very major problem. And that is a war on truth that continues every day unabated not just by president trump but many others using social media platforms so it is notable twitter is taking action but a lot of people say too little too late or too little at all and now the president is fighting back and saying he's not going to allow it to happen. So what can you do? He welcomes this fight he welcomes. This fight is campaign welcomes his fight. They want the twenty twenty campaign to be impart about what they say is conservative censorship meaning centers of conservatives by Big Tech and big media that is a narrative they embrace because it means we are not talking about the number of dead and the number of sick people from covid nineteen. They are going to embrace these kinds of fights but look at what happened today with the trump and Joe Scarborough trump is doubling down on this lie about Joe Scarborough. Suggesting Scarborough is guilty of murder in the face of all evidence and in the face of a widower says. Please stop talking about my dead wife the way you're talking about her. It is a shameful thing but twitter will not fact check it? Neither will facebook by the way. Facebook is just as culpable in these situations. What used to manage these things Aaron? It's shame and decency. You know you'd be held in check by your peers by news media outlets by your fellow politicians but it seems when someone is shameless and has no decency. There are none of those normal checks ultimately. What's going to cure this? War On? Truth are good. People of all political stripes saying stop lying. Stop making things up about voter fraud. Stop hurting innocent. Dead People Right now. Erin there's not enough pressure to stop it all right Bryan. Thank you very much. And next the trump administration just hours from stopping anyone who has been in Brazil from entering the United States deaths. They're hitting a new milestone. We're live on the ground in Brazil. Brazil surpassing the United States for the first time the most reported daily Corona virus deaths for two days in a row cases have been exploding in the South American country. As a Brazilian president. Downplays virus trump administration is now hours away from stopping anyone who has been in Brazil in the last two weeks from entering the United States neck. Pain Walsh is out front. This landing of last resort seeking salvation. In a corona virus hotbed tiny planes bring the sickest covid patients from hundreds of miles away deep in the Amazon. To manassas Brazil's worst hit city and to a hospital bed Johnny most make loan from which some won't go home. This is what doing well looks like. On these flights moving the woman on board struggling motionless once the had to intubate the patient in midair. It's very hard and you will carry a await that you don't see every time I carry this carry. This weight Baroness City. Might not only in death. But also fury Brazilian President Job. Bolsonaro has made light of the virus called the mayor here. A piece of excrement for digging these mass graves. They had little choice here when the body started piling up this month. They buried one hundred three in one day digging at night even in two hours. Five come one by one late in the trench. Many mourners say there's aren't corona virus deaths but it's hard to know here the official numbers in Brazil. Don't tell the whole picture partly because there isn't enough testing. You can see that here. These are those who've died and tested positive corona virus but these graves staggeringly well. They're the ones that they suspect may have died of the disease. The mass burial itself distressing around thirty minutes. Just I just put my mom there. Finish this. We don't need these my phone. Disney's we asked the grave diggers thinks fewer would have died here if the president had kept quiet. No one listens to Bolsonaro. One says he's not there for the people hats another. He should ask what was going on but still the hospitals have received at Davies streaming with new patients these from outlying villages where local tribes live badly hit the ICU which avoids ventilators where possible using less invasive means this frenetic and even the patients heard the president said the man was just trying to save. Lives says Raimondo. And the president is against that left inside a local indigenous lead of visits newly. Adopting the row from his father killed by the virus two weeks ago. I took my father into hospital where he was into baited for five days. He says now we have three hundred people with symptoms politically. The president forgot US and his killing the Indigenous People. Bolsonaro insists he is for economic growth and safety but the virus is still tearing through the pool. Here that remote life was no protection from this modern plague. It just put help further away. Erin that is where the worst place was. And this troublingly is where the worst place may be in the weeks ahead very familiar. I'm sure many watching this Copacabana Beach in Rio de Janeiro. A place that is likely to be future. Hotspot four thousand dead in this area forty thousand cases as you said the numbers now day by day increasingly worse in terms of debt in the United States. Brazil is on the way up in terms of its trajectory for infections and deaths the peak one to two weeks away and Rio Healthcare System Struggling. It seems and a city where we're wearing masks here. The first time and Sao Paulo was pretty much everywhere here in Rio. You see a little people not wearing masks and a lot. More of a sense of activity out on the streets and elsewhere could be very difficult for Brazil in the weeks ahead some liberal suggesting potentially hundred twenty five thousand in total Brazil really anxious about what comes next Aaron. All right thank you very much. 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Trump says report that he called U.S. service members who died in war losers and suckers is a hoax

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Trump says report that he called U.S. service members who died in war losers and suckers is a hoax

"This show is sponsored by facebook. FACEBOOK has taken steps to better secure their platforms. What's next their support of updated Internet regulations to set new standards for data portability privacy and elections learn more at about dot F. B. Dot com slash. Regulation. Good Evening Jim shooter here sitting in for Anderson Tonight the president of the United States as he insists, he would never attack an honored member of our military attacks in honored member of our military a decorated former marine general who is also a Goldstar father that is he lost his son in combat. Beginning with what trump is reported by several outlets. Now, to have said about the young men and women who serve this country and sometimes die defending it, he is reported to have called them suckers and losers suckers for serving losers for dine this evening Mr Trump answered questions about the reporting on this first reported by Jeffrey Goldberg, in the Atlantic and later by other outlets including notably. Fox News. This is from Goldberg's account of the President's canceled twenty eighteen visit to a French cemetery were hundreds of marines killed in the first world. War are now buried revered place for US Marines. He writes quote trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain and because he did not believe important to honor American war dead according to four People Goldberg says with firsthand knowledge the discussion that day. Goldberg for the Atlantic Continues Quote in conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit trump said why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers. In a separate conversation on the same trip, trump referred to the more than eighteen hundred marines who lost their lives at below would as suckers forgetting killed. Goldberg also recounts visit he made on Memorial Day three years ago to Arlington National Cemetery within the Secretary and retired general John Kelly who I mentioned earlier and as I said General Kelly son Robert is buried there. Reading again from Goldberg's account quote trump while standing by Robert. Kelly's grave turn directly to his father and said, I don't get it. What was it for them? Goldberg. Also reported citing three sources that when Senator John McCain died he said quote we're not going to support that losers funeral the president last night tweeted that he never called the late senator a loser really keeping them honest watch the tape. I supported him. He lost he led us down, but you know he lost. So I never liked him as much after that because I don't like to lose. But but Frank Franklin, we get to he hit me. He's at war hero. He's award. He's a war hero presumes captured. I like people that weren't captured. Okay. WHO's five years in a Vietnamese prison and he let others be released before him though he was offered the chance that's John McCain. Those were the president's words though not a war hero a loser. Again, he denied it last night. Today did not. Say What I say and I never got along with John McCain I disagreed with John McCain. You know that better than anybody frankly I wasn't a fan. For John. Kelly. Well, even as he denied allegations that he showed contempt for the troops, the president took an opportunity to show quite publicly for the cameras deliberate contempt for Kelly. Didn't do a good job had no temperament and ultimately he was petered out. He got he was exhausted. This man was totally exhausted. He wasn't even able to function in the last number of months. He was not able to function. He was sort of a tough guy by the time he got eaten up. In this world, it's a different world than he was used to. He was unable to function. As for the Atlantic story itself, the president called it a hoax. He called the Atlantic a second rate magazine Than Third Rate Magazine and he took verbal swipes at Joe Biden himself the father of a son who served or as the president apparently would put father of a sucker. If. It's true based on things. He said I believe your article is true. I'd ask you all tour question. How do you feel? How would you feel if you had a kid? Against them right now. How would you feel? If you lost her. SON DAUGHTER HUSBAND WAY How would you feel for real? I've probably. I've just never been as disappointed. In my whole career. With leader. That I've worked with President or otherwise. The articles true ended appears to be based on the things he said. Is Actually. Damn. Disgrace. Kaitlan. Collins is at the White House now with more Caitlin, you've seen it I've seen it. This White House has denied a whole host of stories that have later proven to be true Tell us how the White House is handling this controversy and how the president himself is can lead. What we saw yesterday is just how angry the president was over this that you've never really seen the White House, mobilize that quickly to deny a story in the fashion that we have seen play out over the last twenty four hours for they've gone current and former officials to come forward and dispute the story even culminating with the first lady weighing in just a few moments ago saying she believed this story was activism not journalism in a tweet that she posted to her account, and so you can see really the effort that they're putting behind. This to deny it. But of course, what's notable when you look at that Jim is that the people who couldn't deny who are pretty credible when it comes to president in the military have not said anything and John Kelly as one of those the former Defense Secretary James Mattis Joe Dunford. There are several notable figures who have been silent over the last twenty four hours and I think that could really do a lot to change the trajectory of this story. You you. You covered this White House while John Kelly with serving as chief of staff See the kind of person who at this point might take this moment to challenge the president here. That's a big question that a lot of people are wondering. I don't think the president really did himself a service in the briefing earlier to keep John Kelly from coming forward and confirming the details of the story if he could, of course, isn't waiting either way. So we're not sure really what he would save and it was interesting. You know you saw the president going after him and the President John Kelly certainly had their bad moments when he was chief of staff, we reported at one point right before John Kelly was. Removed as chief of staff that they were not even on speaking terms but the way the president spoke about him earlier basically saying he was incompetent and couldn't live up to the pressure of the West. Wing is notable when you just consider what John Kelly has done. He is a retired four-star Marine general. He led Southcom he has a son as who has noted died in Afghanistan he's been through a lot is my point, and so the way the president spoke about him, it is kind of hard to see how that would. Garner a response from John. Kelly. Will be watching Kaitlan Collins. Thanks very much. Joining us now retired army, Major General Paul Eaton whose video denouncing the president posted shortly after the story broke now has more than three million views and counting on twitter. We should also point out he is a member of the liberal leading group vote vets and I said that he is voting for Joe Biden with US tonight. Alex Horton who reported out an added to the story in The Washington, Post and who served himself in Iraq as an infantryman. Thanks to both of you generally I, want to ask you. Military Services Generational Service in in your family. You read this story, but you've also seen the president's comments about the military and other veterans veterans through the year John, McCain among them but not isolated to John. McCain. In your view and your experience are these comments in character for this president in terms of how he views the military. Jim Alex great to be with you. Thank you very much. We've had a steady diet of almost four years of disrespect to everybody in thought word and deed. This president doesn't understand. The nature of respect is a transactional guy and it's all do this for that. and we. CanNot lead if you do not. Inside bear a complete respect for your subordinates for your superiors and for your peers left and right. We're done here. This guy has gotta go. Alex You not only confirm any details from the Atlantic's story, but but also able to to add to it get more information about what the president had said to tell us what other details you uncovered. Again thanks for having me. Jim There are more details that we were able to confirm. That were in line with what the Atlantic reported one of which was. The president was. SORT. Of. Baffling confused that. So much effort is put into finding a POW's and and soldiers who are missing in action of course, the bedrock of the military principle bide So that was one of them wear you consider them. Someone who messed up on the job or got into on their. Mistakes and therefore you know why could that much effort and you know one of the other things that relearned that you know he found ranked to be impressive among the general's staff, his cabinet He was kind of curious about why they chose that line of work you know if they were smart and bright and. Were together as a team. Why didn't they go into business and make a lot of money So. That's a few things that were sort of in line with what? Jeff. A comments you talk about about dismissing folks who maybe shot down in combat but similar to how his publicly expressed views about John McCain saying he's a war hero because he got captured. Again the president's view general eating. You maintain close ties with many of your former and current I'm sure. Servicemembers. I'm not asking you to be a pollster here. I'm just asking if in your experience, the views of this president changed over four years because it's traditionally. Viewed as a base of support for him, right the US military have you since the. In the view of this president among servicemembers. Jim. Just before I, get to that I'd like to point out that my own father was missing an accident join us full accounting was the agency that did not leave my father behind. This is a great country for that. It is a great country that. Young men and women who actually will trust the chain of command because they know that they're not going to be left behind. Now, to the to the developing stories that we got right now, military times did a survey that found a over sixty percent of the officer corps is has shifted and is now in the in the camp to vote for. Vice President by. So that the shift is in place it's moving quickly and the story we're talking about right now is playing very badly and my group. Alex I many president. Trump's lawyers. So they've defended the president saying this didn't happen. We haven't heard from John Kelly. I wonder listen you. I've done many stories on sensitive information where we're folks we'll share that information based on you maintaining US maintaining their anonymity. Here, with with John, Kelly him being attacked today. Do you see like him coming out and San? No this is what happened. Certain possible. I mean, I think one thing we learned about. The trump administration the people in it is the senior administration official is a very person. You know a lot of people are willing to air their grievances and frustrations. They're not willing to go on the record because these are you know want to continue to work in the administration or the another job particularly around a Career military folks. This is something about under integrity not sticking your neck out too much that. A lot of General John Kelly like John Mattis you know they still onto sometimes perhaps maybe to the detriment of fully understanding. Someone like the president in the election year. So there's comments about Kelly today nowhere surprising in where quite shocking but you know. John. Kelly hasn't come out full force yet. Another either. Names Yeah. and. We've seen some hesitate and then eventually criticize the President Jim out a among them It took some time generally, I wanna ask you about another topic because this caught our attention today president trump was asked very simple question about something that America's allies closest allies have blamed. Russia. For the poisoning of Russian opposition leader Alexi Valley on the the president would not utter the simple words. This is bad and Russia should've done it or I will wear them away. Listen to how he answered I want to get your reaction. It is interesting that everybody's always mentioning Russia. And I don't mind you mentioning Russia but I think probably China at this point is Is, a nation that you should be talking about much more. So than Russia because the things that China's doing. Far Worse you take a look at what's happening with. The world. Repeatedly. Russia on this on election interference on bounties on US forces in Afghanistan on dangerous encounters between Russian aircraft and US aircraft All things that have been increasingly aggressive, not less aggressive. What do you make of his refusal to be critical Putin or trump or Russia any meaningful way and and is that a green light to Russia? Jim I. It is a green light to Russia Russia had been our most reliable enemy since the end of World War Two. If ever you needed enemy, they were always there to make sure that we add an opponent that was near fear or peer, and they had the capability and maybe the intent to do great harm to the United. States it is baffling. To this soldier that the president of the United States commander in chief will not call them out. He cannot walk passes mistake yet he does over and over again and a mistake of this poisoning of Putin opponent is revealing and. Indicates that the commander in chief cannot be trusted for reasons unknown to me, but it certainly appears as if the Russians that a lot of Mir Bhuttan has something very serious on this president. Generally. Alex. Thanks for your for your commentary tonight. Also, thanks to both of you for your service to this country. Jim Thank you Alex Sticker. A program note, then we'll bring you the stories of Joe, Biden End, Donald trump and their fight for the White House either triumphs tragedies and their dramatic journeys to a showdown. Don't miss the back toback documentary events starting Monday eight o'clock, pm on CNN. Sarah they're more on the story that froze out just about every other major political and economic headline today how the President's reported words on veterans and those killed in action will reverberate on the campaign trail and later almost six months since she was killed in a police raid protesters expected to crowd Louisville this labor. Day weekend searching for justice for Briana, Taylor our Jason Carroll speaks for Taylor's mother when three sixty continues. Before. The break we heard from a retired army major general as well a Washington Post reporter who served in Iraq for the military, and who's now one of several reporters who have corroborated pieces of or even added to the Atlantic count. The president's disdain for US servicemembers today the president said this about the men and women forces told the Atlantic's Jeffrey Cole Goldberg the President Referred to as suckers and losers. There is nobody that feels more strongly about ourselves. Our wounded warriors are soldiers that died in war than I do. It's a hoax. The question is after everything else the president has lied about does he have the credibility to make words carry weight appear to speak about it? CNN political commentator, Amanda Carpenter and senior political analyst David. Gergen. David. You served four presidents. We know the president's record with the truth does he have the credibility denies not just based on that General Record? Of, misleading or flat out false statements but also his frequent comments in public disparaging members of the military veterans, John, McCain and others. L. Exactly Gem I I I sorry to say this but I think this is if it is true. It's dishonorable act and the voters are going to have to this November decide whether they want to discharge him or not But I've never heard presence speak this way but motor ever presents who are suffering among pursued love them. Saint always showed respect the treated with. A new how much the men and women in both areas sacrificed a lives on the line. So this a very damning story, is it true I don't we don't dose it. They don't have the facts I think it's time has orden. Whoever is one of these sources? How out from behind the curtain and talent to a straight up now putting on a record and and you do that for the country we need to know it would be live less to do this president were not true. So he gets and. The more likely out doesn't do you believe trump who says who's has insisting ever called John McCain a loser and having a record we have John, McCain, who's head all these things are true and yet we know from the Washington Post that that over these four years, he's issued over twenty thousand lies or misleading statements twenty thousand. We know that the people who are involved in this. Burgers very respected journalists. He sounded terrific top. All signs point to the fact that it is true but we still don't have facts. I mean, it'd be clear. As president was saying you never disparages the military took. Some fairly dramatic broadsides John Kelly who. Served. But also lost a son in combat I just wonder. You worked for Ted Cruz. You've worked for Republicans for many years. Is there a line for for for many Republicans? We use that phrase hold their nose and vote for this president on something like this does it cross the line? Well I, think what we've seen it. There are different lines for lots of different people and I feel like a lot of times even today we're just chasing the next bad thing we heard about trump saying right I mean this is devastating I have every reason to believe it and I would hope that John Kelly would confirm it but at the same time I can understand how Traumatic. It'd be. Given the fact that some of these comments were by his son's graveside I mean that just rips me apart I don't know what that would do to apparent, right honestly. But I have to ask my fellow Republicans what what more do you need to know? I mean his former Defense Secretary James Mattis came out and said he is a threat to the constitution in he's the only president he seen that works to divide the American people instead of unite dot that happened after Lafayette Square I mean that listened to what don't listen to the partisan don't listen to me listen to what people who have worked for Donald Trump who have said about what they've said on the record about how he treats soldiers mattis came out said that after he used the soldiers like props. To Go, beautiful outfit a lot. Lafayette. Square I mean we we know people have been telling us miles Taylor last week Elizabeth Newman who says she can't get him to pay attention to right wing terrorism. All this stuff is out there in. So I just would encourage people to take a step back in not evaluate what we know Donald Trump said but what the people who have tried to help him in are now trying to warn us on the record have said. Have you David. Again in working for president, Clinton. Reagan Nixon but observing others. Have you ever seen a president have so many people? Who worked for him at the senior level? Say in. Public. oftentimes with their names attached oftentimes not but oftentimes with the names attached that he's unqualified unfitted competent. Is there any precedent for this? Especially True Jim in the national security view religious familiar. If you look at the generals admirals, the national security adviser. People at work at the NS in working intelligence. Up there over a dozen general admirals, top-flight people at broken within, and also particularly stunning is the people who are breaking with him people in best who spent a time around you know him best and then they have testified who's like character I still think that doesn't that doesn't solve this problem. This particular set of statement which I think is so far beyond the balance. But if you look entire recommended, right It really is a good question Republican what more do you need? Listen. I wrote a book recently spoke only people serve this president. Some someone one of his most senior adviser said that Putin is trump's trap right of and Said said explicitly that Putin the president is in the thrall of ladder. Putin it's it's. It's amazing. What people who served him say? Amanda put this in the. Of the race were sixty days from an election I know that. There's always the outrage of the day right and oftentimes people move on although there are things that have been more lasting. Is this one last thing. If it's evaluated in the context of all the other officials who have spoken out again, there's a pattern. Here is not just a pattern of donald trump saying outrageous things especially for this is for Republicans to consider people have tried to help him. There are Republican Congress who have tried to help him and they are unable to do so in. So everybody does have a breaking point. But what what good can you do and if the answer is you've tried you gave it a good go and it didn't work and it's not going to work looking to your heart ask yourself what can you do to in order to do good work in the future I think that naturally would lead you on a path away from trump. quickly. I say I want to previous gasset mention generational issue in that is generation after generation. Of People that serve the McCain family forgot about three to four generations. Those are if you look at the trump's I can't find. Trump in last three generations who has served his country in uniform and that's why this particular galling. This kind of these kind of conversations about. What from the Washington Post reporting live at the president just doesn't understand why you don't get paid enough wh why serve Fundamental things. We know soldiers as I know all three of us do. You know why Amanda Carpenter David Gergen appreciate your time. Thank you. Straight, ahead as president trump derides former president biden for wearing a mask something, the science show saves lives. He maintains the country is quote rounding the corner with the coronavirus this on a day where the death toll from covid nineteen approaches one hundred and eighty thousand, a new model show that. More than double by the year, we're keeping them honest. It's easy to feel overwhelmed these days. You're definitely not alone in that. But right now, as you're listening, you have the power to take back your mental wellbeing and joining better help is a great place to start their licensed professional online counselors are here to help you whenever and wherever you need them. They can help you with depression relationships, trauma and much more better. Help starts with a private questionnaire about your needs and then quickly matches you with a counselor from their your in control, you can connect through video. Or phone and exchange unlimited messages. 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There are sadly many more fatalities come in this country under the I H M es most likely scenario four, hundred and ten thousand by year's end. In the best case, two, hundred, Eighty, eight, thousand that is assuming very careful social distancing guidelines and quote near Universal Mask Usage, which is actually declining in this country and other president while reading from prepared remarks today very briefly called on Americans to wear a mask when appropriate when he is off prompter speaking to is crowds, it's a different story. Your second question was I couldn't hear you. Can you take it up because I cannot hear on I'll just speak louder services you WANNA be politically correct. Go ahead somehow sitting in the Oval Office. Beyond that Beautiful Resolute Desk. The Great Resolute Desk I think wearing a face mask. As I greet. Presidents Prime Ministers dictators kings Queens. Somehow. I don't see it for myself. I want people to have a certain freedom and I, don't believe in that. No, and I don't agree with the statement that everybody wear a mask everything disappears but did you ever see a man that likes him ask as much as him? And then he makes his speech and he always has not always but a lot of times. Yes. At hanging down. Because you know what it gives him a feeling of security if I were psychiatrists. Right. Now I'd say I'd say this guy's got some big issues. Joining me now CNN's chief medical correspondent Dr Sanjay Gupta and William Haseltine former professor at the Harvard Medical School and the Harvard School of Public Health. He's also author of Family Guy Dacoven, both on Sanjay spent a few hours since I talked to you this morning this model. And again, these are not crystal balls, their models th th they help give you a sense of what's going to come and I talk about this often when we look at this, actually i. Models in recent months have understated the death toll undershot the death toll. When you look at these figures, do you find this a credible path of where this pandemic is going in this country? It was a pretty jarring wakeup call to look at that model Jim I think for you and me both. Yeah I mean I it's it is it is. Not, surprising, but but pretty jarring. I think these are the previous models and as you point out, Jim compare the projections versus what the real numbers were and anything. This particular organization has been conservative last one October. They said one hundred and eighty thousand people would die by their projection by October obviously it's beginning of September, and we've already surpassed that. So that gives you some idea. You know there was some sense that. We had sort of plateaued in this country at are at an average of around a thousand people dying a day which. Is Awful. It's horrific to think about it and we shouldn't get used ever saying that. But what this model is now projecting is that those numbers are GonNa go up. Up to three thousand people potentially dying every day by December so. It's it's it does make sense sadly. Professional Hazeltine at at the upper end Worst case scenario number could jump to six, hundred, twenty thousand by January, first based on this model. I mean that presumes a further weakening of social distancing mask-wearing et CETERA which we're seeing signs of. You look at where this country is going with with its habits now on this and kind of exhaustion right with with the with the pandemic. Do you consider that a realistic outcome? While I think. It is a realistic outcome and we know that. This epidemic depends on our own behaviour amongst other things. Where the President says, we're rounding corner reminds me very much many years ago when Lyndon Johnson said there's a light at the end the tunnel it turned out there was a tunnel at the end of the tunnel. and. the numbers that were looking Ed just think of what the on course number looks like. It looks like as many people dying between now and December and we can have escaped on personal schedules go from now to December. Try this insane number of people who have died from the beginning of this epidemic now. Are. On. Track to die in the next three months. That's the average. If we take. Loosening up more than we are. It's three times that or twelve thousand people a day die. Now, what is twelve thousand people a day look like I can tell You New York. City it looked like a makeshift morgue on the Cross Street two blocks down for me with forty bodybags on the street one of them friend of mine. That's what it looks like. We saw it here in New York New York to its credit I'm here right now got it under control by by taking very strict measures right to to to reduce the spread. Sanjay. Everybody's wearing a mask the. Ninety percent Peop- people stick to stick to the rules to to their Credit Sanjay, a lot of focus of course on a vaccine. Russia is making progress here but but they're jumpstarting th the process right in that they're kinda rushing this out before the end of phase three trials. Should we look at this is a good time driving is, is there good news in there on progress on a certain approach to a vaccine here or are they going to fast? I'm glad they release them data. I will say that but I think you will be well served to be bit skeptical here. Right? I mean first of all when we last heard about this, we heard about this vaccine was registered kind of approved. And they're in Russia you know we heard that Putin's daughter got a dose of this. We heard that one of the investigators gave himself a dose of this vaccine that's not science. Just audacity but you know you've got to sort of take these things into context. If you look at the data, we can show what the date is. It's early data. Seventy six patients that have now participated in the trial they got two doses of this. According to the literature that was published in The Lancet mild side effects such as headache and fever, and it did show some evidence of generating antibodies, these types of neutralizing antibodies not in the concentration that some of these other trials have but the show, some of that Jim I gotTa tell you this is just a difficult story to cover because you know there's not a lot of transparency period we're talking about the Russia vaccine but frankly with any of these vaccine candidates, we're seeing very limited data sometimes data's coming to us by press release sometimes, it's coming as a preprinted we would like to see better data. There's this bipartisan legislation that has been introduced called the. Safe, authorization vaccines during an emergency which calls for the public to be able to to get full transparency. I. Think that's a good thing. Especially for this particular vaccine, the part of the driving force for that Professor Haseltine, is it not our fears in this country of political interference I? Mean you have the president saying today and you know vaccine by October in its CNN's reporting that he's putting pressure on health officials for some sort of back good vaccine news before the election should Americans be concerned that politics will influence the science here Well. Politics will influence a science if it can, and we should be concerned because we don't know it's going to be safe or effective nor can we know by November I? The second thing I would say is I've been looking at the Russian numbers if they had a miracle vaccine, why are the numbers going up? They don't have a miracle vaccine if you look at the data assigns has said. It looks like any ordinary phase one studied they called it. A face to study is not a phase two study it impulse phase one study with less than a hundred people. The did okay. There's even a couple of features I would commend about the vaccine that they have one form this heat stable. It's laugh that's good for the Third World, but it's not by any means an international standard or any kind of standard for which to approve a vaccine for general use. Let's hope the US follows a better standard Sanjay William Heseltine. Thanks to both of you. You're? Welcome? Coming up I'M GONNA speak with California Congresswoman Karen Bass about race and politics, and the result of a new CNN poll on racism in America are people more or less likely. Now to believe it is a major problem in the US today that's coming up. We'll come back for a time this year, the need for social justice reform with something that Democrats and even many Republicans could agree on it. All happened after those protests in Minneapolis and around the world over the death in late May of George Floyd, some of his final words pleading for his mother with police officers, knee on his neck. These protests help refocus attention on previous cases such as that of Elijah McLean twenty-three-year-old who died after authorities used ketamine to subdue him. But as violence has crept in, it appears that public support among some for social justice is fading according to a new CNN poll today fifty, five percent of Americans think racism is a big problem in this country back in June that number was was hired sixty seven percent. To speak now about this and other issues with California Congresswoman Karen Bash Cheer. Congressional Black Caucus Congressman thanks so much for joining US tonight. Thanks for having me on when you look at these numbers here. Do you worry that the moment after George George Floyd's death that that was. More fleeting than you'd hoped in terms of a moment for change in this country. No. As somebody who has worked on this issue for decades I really think that moment has caused a seismic shift in our country. When we've had passed examples of murders on videos, you never heard people connecting it up to the larger issue of systemic racism. Now, I know the polls have dipped some but I'm not discouraged by that I do think that we have a lot of work that we need to do in showing very specific solutions to. Lisa. And I was ask you about that because after George Floyd, there was a there was a push for legislation and it stopped right as so many things stop in Washington. Between Democrats and Republicans kind of you know put on the backburner it seems until after the election. that. Disappoint you or are you shaking your head is? Is it possible? We'll see something before the election. I am shaking my head because that is exactly what happened. What happened is is that you know we did pass the bill out of the House we bipartisan support. However, there have been discussions that have continued bipartisan discussions have continued with Republicans in the House and also with a couple of people in the Senate. Now, my Republican colleagues are talking to their counterparts in the Senate, and there is still hope you know in the legislative process you have things that appear to go to the back burner, but they're actually out of the public eye. Okay good. Well, we we will. Let's keep that conversation because because we'd like to hear enough date when when we get there. This week you saw the president and his opponent visit Kenosha. The President and actually. Some even said about Joe Biden. Don't come now there's too much going on here wh when you looked at both of those visits. Do you think they made a difference a positive differences negative. Well I do think that what the vice president did absolutely made a difference and maybe if neither one of them went, I think it was very important at Biden go after trump's visit because one of the reasons why I know there has been a decrease in those poll numbers is because trump has been doing everything he can to stoke racial conflict absolutely, and that has had a negative impact but because he went and because he went. In the manner in which he did, it was imperative for the vice president to go and I'm glad he did I think is his visit was healing. He met with the family he met with leaders in the community and when leaders in the community asked trump whether or not. He thought there was a problem with racism and police and he said, no, you can imagine what that meant to the African Americans and other people in that community. So. On that point. You heard the Attorney General Bill Bar Tell my colleague Wolf Blitzer earlier this week his view of whether there are two justice systems in this country. Have a listen I WANNA get your response. I don't think they're to justice systems. Let's you know I think the narrative that there's the police are on some epidemic of shooting unarmed black man is simply false narrative and also of that's based on race the demonization of the police and the idea that this is so widespread in that pedantic is simply wrong. False narrative false epidemic. What's your response? At the end of the day you look at data, you look at data how can you say that there's not to justice systems the picture of that young man actually the seventeen euro I hesitate to call him a man walking down the street with an Aarp fifteen after he had killed, two people shot a a wounded a third. The police do absolutely nothing if that had been a black man, he would have taken two steps. He would have been filled with twenty or thirty bullets. They gave him water and sent him home did not even arrest him and what did they do to? You know. So I mean there you look at the data you look at the incarceration rate you look at the arrest rate I would fully expect that though from attorney general bar because he is not the attorney general for the United States, he is the personal attorney for the president. Represented, care about Thanks so much for joining a hope, we can keep up the conversation. Thanks for having me. Just, ahead, we will continue discussion on this topic of conversation with the mother, a Brianna Taylor, no charges in the death of her daughter after a police raid almost six months ago. Now, protesters expected to gather tomorrow demanding action. It has been almost six months the killing of Brianna Taylor by police in Louisville and no charges have been filed in her death after police obtained a now banned no knock search warrant tellers boyfriend who survived the encounter said the officers did not announce themselves during the late night raid police say they did regardless large protests are expected this Labor Day and Derby Day weekend in Louisville CNN Jason Carroll spoke Taylor's mother about the shooting and their families search for justice. Brianna Taylor's mother is still looking for answers I've never had a lot of system. Just because I've seen, it failed the people so many times. So and going through this I definitely have less faith just. Like I just can't understand for the life of me. Why It's taken so long to Meka Palmer says she waited five months for answers five months since her daughter was shot and killed by police lots of times you WanNa you WanNa give up you want to walk away but. I know that she deserves justice. Taylor was killed in the early morning hours of March Thirteenth after Louisville police serving no knock warrant broke down your door with a battering ram police say they banged on the door but dot no response her boyfriend says he fired a shot thinking they were intruders and policies opened fire Taylor a twenty six year old emergency room technician died within minutes of being shot anger raped her. Guilt. Built white guilt. As a parent you fell. One job is to protect your baby and I wasn't there while the investigation is not complete. One point is tragically clear police forced entry into Taylor's home wrongly suspecting she was connected to a drug ring that operation ended with Taylor's death and lots of unanswered questions about the officers actions. Protesters have continuously called for the three officers involved in her shooting to be prosecuted, none have been charged but in June the Louisville Metro police. Department did fire one of the officers detective. Brent Hankinson for showing an extreme indifference to the value of human life. After he allegedly fired ten shots into Taylor's home, his attorney appealed the dismissal and disputed the allegation. Hankinson blindly fired his weapon in the wake of Taylor's death. The Louisville City Council has passed Brianna. which bans no knock warrants and requires officers serving search warrants to wear body cameras a state version of the law introduced last week. Taylor's family says they continue to be inspired by words and actions of support as George Floyd Brianna Taylor, and a never ending list of innocent people of color continue to be murdered. Stating the simple fact that a black life matters is still met with derision from the nation's highest office there is no scene for racism. We've got to do the work. For George Floyd. For Briana Taylor athletes all over the world have taken a stand for the black lives matter movement. Taylor's portrait gracing the cover of this month's Vanity Fair back in Louisville twenty-six billboards posted around the city one four year of her life and calls for justice continue I think they'll. They'll be protests every day and so just as art. And if? Justice is not. Served. I don't know I just I hate to even think about that. Jason Carroll joins us. Now, Jason, you're at Churchill downs of course, the site of tomorrow's Kentucky. Derby were protesters are expected to demonstrate how big a demonstration what do we expect? Will expecting hundreds if not more demonstrators are show appear tomorrow Jim I spoke to one of the organizers tonight. They know that all eyes are going to be on Louisville tomorrow and they say it's the perfect time to remind people that they say that still has not been justice for Briana Taylor or her family. The Derby's a big event Louisville it. It's a good way to attract attention. Thanks so much Jason Carroll. 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Biden Touts "Lifetime Commitment to Civil Rights" After Harris Slammed Him on Race, Busing in Rough Debate

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Good evening, and today we saw what appears to be a whole new campaign for the twenty twenty democratic presidential hopefuls, which it, which is really what makes any campaign so compelling, particularly this one at any point nearly anything can happen. And when it does the entire political landscape can shift tonight after two nights, Democrats, debating each other, and in many ways introducing themselves to the voters who watched last night in record numbers. There are signs the tectonic plates are in motion viewers saw former vice president, Joe Biden and the overwhelming favourite in the polls, stumble on stage last night over the issue of school busing, but also policy Assad, and questions of relevancy, and the eyes of some his resiliency his ability to do what he's done in debates in the past, namely, think. Well on his feet and react quickly in the moment, though. He retains a loyal and affectionate following some of the reviews of his performance have been harsh of Austin globe column, quoting something he said, on stage ran under the words, Joe Biden writes his own headline. My time is up. I'm sorry, the question now, is it did the former vice president do so badly? It would begin to erode what until now has been a commanding lead in the polls driven by the enormous goodwill. He has within the Democratic Party, especially African American voters did come la- Harris, whose confrontation with the former vice president over his past positions about school busing achieve of breakout moment. And what about night, one, standout performers Senator Elizabeth Warren? We'll talk tonight about what happens next for all the candidates as for Joe Biden in the wake of the dust up with Senator Harris over his civil rights record. He's spent the day trying to underscore his commitment to the issue. Speaking to Jesse Jackson's rainbow push coalition in Chicago at the same time National Public Radio manage to locate a nineteen seventy-five interview that reporter David Ensor did with a young Senator Biden, who said he was open to a constitutional amendment to stop court ordered busing. That would clearly do it. We are trying to figure out whether or not we can come up with an innovative piece of legislation, which would limit the remedy, and I don't, honestly, don't know whether we can come up with something constitutional, and if we can't, I will not in an attempt to eliminate bussing violate the constitution won't do that. The only way if I'm going to go at it. I'm going to go at it through a constitutional amendment, if it can't be done through a piece of legislation. Now, Senator Biden, they're talking about looking for ways to stop court ordered busing something today. He said he was never opposed to which clearly is an entirely true because you just heard him saying the opposite. Now, we should point out busing was enormously controversial in the African American community and in the public at large and remains so today, Joe Biden is finding out, which should also point out the Biden has a long history of supporting civil rights measures, including the Voting Rights Act as he pointed out last night. CNN's sign spent the day following the former vice-presidents she joins us now, so by. Clearly do some damage control today. What is even saying? Well, Anderson is very clear that Joe Biden knows the heat to clean up some of his statements from last night's debate, and I was here earlier today when he gave that speech in front of a crowd that was mostly made up of black activists and black voters as he defended his past position on bussing also his civil rights record overall take a listen to what he had to say earlier today. Here in Chicago. I heard and listened to and I respect Senator Harris. But, you know, we all know that thirty seconds to sixty seconds on the campaign debate exchange. Can't do Justice to lifetime committed to civil rights. I never never never ever oppose voluntary buses. But as you noted Anderson, there were moments several instances decades ago where Biden was there defending or trying to express his opposition to school busing. I asked the campaign how they can reconcile his statements today with what he had said in the past and having exactly gotten a full explanation. You also today heard Biden, and trying to do a little bit of cleanup when it came to some comments last night, relating to states rights, Biden today, saying that he does believe the federal government does need to be involved when it comes to issues of civil rights and integration, but going forward Biden is going to continue to face questions after that performance last night on the debate stage that was in front of one of the largest audiences. He's really seen so far this campaign so far. Anderson, voluntary busing is most the difference in his mind is, is in that phrase somewhere. However you define that, how have Biden campaign officials insurgents, have they been racking behind the scenes to what happened last night. I mean, they are very aware Anderson that last night was a bit of a rocky debate. That wasn't one of the best performances from the former vice president and Joe Biden himself aware that he needs to do better going forward. There are a lot of questions right now about whether Biden is the candidate who meets the current moment of the Democratic Party. And so, I think going forward, you're going to try to see Biden trying to make that case that he is one thing that he was pressing today here in Chicago is that this needs to be a campaign, not looking back at issues from the past, but that he wants to make this a campaign about moving forward Biden is spending the rest of the weekend doing some fundraisers next weekend. We're going to see him back out next week. I'm sorry. We're gonna see him back out on the campaign trail out in Iowa. He'll actually be marching in July fourth parade in independence, Iowa on Thursday. Anderson promote we're going to delve into the history of boasting shortly. In case you weren't around for that. But right now perspective from talented campaigner himself, Andrew gillum campaign for governor. Florida may national headlines kept us all up late into the night. Also seen and senior political reporter, namely a Henderson, vice president Biden's explanation today saying, quote, he never never never, ever oppose voluntary. Busing is he's splitting hairs. Because in the seventies I mean he clearly said he opposed busing last night. He said he opposed the board of Ed bussing. Yeah. And he was on the leading edge of this sort of anti busing movement in the Senate working with folks, like, Jesse Helms working with Senator Eastland to, to folks who were essentially segregation is to push this anti busing agenda. It's just three. You know, these these are the facts their letters, where he's writing about about anti busing and what's wrong with busing and the idea of these communities should be able to control their own schools, in their own communities and who gets access to those school. So I mean I don't know this is this is. The stubborn Biden that we've always seen somebody who can't really back off of a position can't really say he was wrong because he's just so wedded to the believe that, that he was right in this issue in last night. You know, I think even come Harris was a little surprise that you had a person in twenty nineteen essentially saying that making the state's rights argument and saying that the department of education, he felt shouldn't have any sort of right. And stepping in to push for busing, which, of course, was an effort to desegregate schools and to give opportunities American children. That often went to two sub sub par schools, mayor Gillam did the vice president put this issue to rest today, or did he just kind of continue it for tomorrow and the next day? Yeah. I mean, unfortunately, I don't think he put the issue to rest and frankly Anderson in your opening comments, you referenced the fact that there were people on both sides of the argument around bussing, if the vice-president where standing up and sort of making those arguments today that led him to the conclusion that reached from a public policy standpoint that would be one thing. But that's not what he's doing. He's actually speaking in conflict to what his published and demonstrated record has been on this issue. Not to Senator a comma Harris, I thought she was extremely effective particularly at this line of attack because she introduced into the conversation very, very personal narrative talking about the fact that twenty years after integration. She found herself being bused and integrating into the California school system, I thought that, that landed with people tremendously will. More than anything. I gotta say what she did last night is, she disrupted a little bit of chink in the armor of inevitability that I think, has been really boosting the vice president up to this point, this belief that nobody can compete and win against the Trump presidency, other than Biden think she disrupted that largely due to her great performance, but also due to his lackluster performance last night. Nia. I think may raise is really an excellent point, and using that word inevitability. I mean, how many times have we seen the candidate who was supposedly the inevitable candidate? You know, other implode or just wear way over time. And again, it remains to be seen if that is what is going to happen to vice president Biden, but, but certainly NIA. There's nothing inevitable about this race. Don't Trump showed that, and I'm not sure that vice president Biden has really absorb that lesson. If he's not even working this weekend, he's going to start next week. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, he's not exactly having explain a fire in his belly in terms of wanting to go out there and prove his metal meeting voters where they live being out on the hustings all over the country. And the way that a lot of these other candidates are in some ways you saw that rusty rustiness. I'll last night. He just wasn't up to it. He was a little incoherent and a lot of his answers. I think the other performers of very much commanded, the stage, the argument about Joe Biden has always been that he could he's the only one really kind of the argument I could could beat Donald Trump. He's the one that's electable. He's the one that could go to, to with him on a debate stage. It didn't look like it. Last night, that wasn't the guy who showed up. We'll see if this is just a fleeting part of his campaign for, for the nomination. But my goodness, a lot of folks are worried about that performance may go certainly you could argue that if you were envisioning Trump on that stage Joe Biden last night, it would not would not have gone well for Joe Biden as opposed to come. Laura's, you can imagine she she hit a few points, but she hit them very effectively in that room. No, she absolutely did Anderson and the other thing about creating the cheek in the armor of vice president Biden here is that not only did Senator Harris show that she is to the task of debating into dealing squarely with Donald Trump. But there were a couple of other candidates who showed a command, I thought, mayor buddhis- show, great command, I think, in the first night of the debate, Senator Warren, as well as secretary Castro also demonstrated turned in really good performances over the two nights. I thought. That what we saw is that there are a number of candidates competing for the democratic primary, who are frankly, increasingly well positioned to take on Donald Trump and to be a great standard bearer for what the Democrats believe Mary, Andrew appreciate you being with us. Namely Anderson as well. Thank you coming up next more on the political fallout from last night. NFL check and what we've been talking about so much tonight and last night, the claims Harris and Joe Biden made on stage on bussing later prison, Trump meets Ladimir Putin turns the issue of Russian interference in the next election into a joke, literally also more Twitter love for Kim Jong UN, and that's not all it's been quite a day. We'll talk about that in Moorhead on three sixty. 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So young many breakout moments last night for Senator Harris house. Her campaign feeling today. Well, twenty four hours in Anderson. The campaign is truly feeling like they are bullied by her performance. They say they do believe that she won the night that she would be a little like Steph Curry's scoring sixty. That's how it's being portrayed to me that they feel it is very positive, and they also point to the fundraising numbers, and they say, we're hearing from last night is during the bait, it was going to be the third best night of their entire campaign. I'm getting a little more guidance on it that what they are seeing a sixty seven percent boost larger than normal than what they have seen very important. Anderson. The second quarter is about to close. It is an injection that they needed should point out. It wasn't on a all out success for Harris last night. She did have a stumble of her own. You're absolutely right. The moderator asked who here on this age a question that was asked the exact same way. Almost word for word the night before who on the stage would be in favor of eliminating private insurance under Medicare for all program, eliminating all private insurance and Harris raise her hand along with Senator Bernie Sanders. Now, Harris says she misheard the question that, that is not her platform that she does believe in Medicare for all. But that she believes that private assurance should exist as a supplemental income for procedures that aren't covered. So what they've spent today. The campaign has spent dealing with media questions. What does she mean as backtracking? She unable to express her platform, clearly but what I'm hearing from the campaign is they believe that this is noise from the beltway from the press that overall think it is a win that this is not something that's resonating with regular people Anderson. All right, thanks very much more known the hard facts behind the debate moment that we've been talking about that Lenin's Harris and vice president Biden. Where each is today, the issue, bussing, and again, a reminder, whether it was in Philadelphia, Mississippi or Boston Massachusetts, the combination of race. And what's best for children hit home at the time and still resonates today? Tom foreman looks back tonight to a troubled time for the US and the electric confrontation on stage last night. Large it was the sharpest attack of the debate, Kamala, Harris lighting into Joe Biden for opposing racial busing decades ago. And there was a little girl in California, who is part of the second class to integrate her public schools, and she was bused to school every day, and that little girl was me, and it brought a quick rebuttal, this characterized my position across the board. So what do the facts say Harris was truthful about her childhood growing up on this corner in Berkeley, she was part of the second elementary school class there to experience busing in the late nineteen sixties the school, tell CNN as she would eventually right? I only learned later that we were part of a national experiment in desegregation. And while she young black girl was attending a mostly white school, Joe Biden was becoming a US Senator around that same time. Then Senator Joe Biden. Changed his position on bussing became anti busing joined with Jesse Helms. I don't even know if you know this, but not no. True escorts ordered a lot more schools to promote integration by busing kids from predominantly black schools to largely white ones and vice versa. Tests often violent broke out, coast to coast and Biden. Indeed began pushing back, listen to what he said, on this date in nineteen seventy seven I happen to think that the one way to ensure that you set the civil rights movement in America further back is to continue to push bussey because it's a bankrupt policy. And now I did not oppose busing in America. What I posed is bussing ordered by the department of education, that split hair likely won't satisfy proponents of the policy still Biden has long promoted civil and voting rights for African Americans and better housing policies to make sure black families can live and go to school where they wish in short the record shows Biden has fought for racial equality, even as he has refused to embrace the contentious political reality of busing joining the chorus of critics who have long argued that the benefits do not outweigh the social upheavals. Anderson. All right. Still to come and Tom, thanks very much. I'll speak legendary newsman Dan, rather. President Trump early this morning joking. 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President Trump told Saudi Arabia's crown prince and I'm quoting you done really a spectacular job. President did not mention the murder of dissident journalists Jamal kashogi as directly, whether he would raise that matter Trump said, thank you very much. Let's listen. Burge mocking show. He sorry. Thank you very much. Well earlier today, he also said he hopes to shake hands with North Korea's Kim Jong UN saying, he would be willing to go to go to the border to say, Hello, basically. And when it comes to confronting bladder Putin about election interference, don't continue hold your breath. President Trump has done anything, but he stood next to Putin defending him publicly. He's talked on the phone with him about the Russia, quote hoax, he got irradiated on Wednesday. When CNN Sarah Westwood ask the president, if he would ask Putin not to meddle in the twenty twenty election, president said his discussions with Putin were, and I'm quoting, none of your business. But until today, the president has never actually shared a laugh with Putin about election interference, at least publicly we have no idea what they discuss privately, at least in Helsinki. For instance, today, this is what happened when asked if he would tell Putin not to interfere in the next election. Listen. The president is in Osaka Japan meeting with world leaders extensively fighting for US interest, apparently, doesn't consider election integrity. One of them president was in more of a joking mood. In fact, he also ripped on how terrible the quote, fake news is one year to the day after mass shooting that killed five employs at the capital gazette in Maryland. And he did that joking with a man, whose regime, according to the committee to protect journalists has seen twenty five journalists killed since two thousand. Russia. We have. It's all funny. They're all just they're kidding about their loving that fake news of joining me. Now is Jerry anchorman newsman, Dan, rather? I still do not get used to seeing President Trump kind of genuine genuflecting in front of dictators around the world. Well, this is deeply strange. It least borderline bizarre. So see what happen today in that meeting with Putin. But as you just outlined that was only the beginning, he praises leader Saudi Arabia. I mean, the whole line of things, I think, in Kant put this in context, we have to understand. And whether you're Republican, democrat independent, whatever that under President Trump American foreign policy is become incoherent, and amateurish example tweeting to the president of North Korea. Meet meet the DMZ like to see those kinds of things. I thought that was actually a joke. When somebody said that there's now this tweet saying, oh, you know, I'll swing by the border and just to say, Hello quite question. Mark. Exclamation, mark. Well, it turns out, it wasn't joke because we know it came to. Wreck. President point is that, you know, history is watching through all this, and let's start what we won't end with whatever's going on with President Trump and, and President Putin as I say, deeply strange endangers histories, watching, but they're also watching all of this business with American foreign policies being incoherent all over the lot of the president of himself doesn't seem all that interested in learning about foreign policy, which can be complicated that he doesn't he no longer read the intelligence reports free presidents had intelligence report every every day he doesn't read them. It's hard to say in President Trump's case, whether it's, it's more ineptitude, ignorance or mendacity, but whatever it is. It's dangerous for the country. It's also interesting because he throws outlines like, hey, you're doing a great. Job you're doing spectacular work. That's the kind of thing he, I mean, it's one of his Goto lines. I mean, he says that I think at one point he was on my show. I mean years and years ago, and I think he said that to me, like, as if he'd been watching the show. I don't know if he had or not. But it just seems like one of those phrases he throws out, but when you're president, United States and Heathrow that phrase out to Mohammed bin Salman and, and his regime. It has great weight, and meaning and two dissidents around the world to people were imprisoned in Saudi Arabia for speaking up. Well. And there is this that, that same time, the president is praising almost any autocrat, he can find and really sort of wouldn't say genuflecting to. Amir Putin, but certainly behaving in a way that many Americans and not all of them, Democrats find humiliating and embarrassing. But at the same time, he's very critical about friends and allies. So he's here's a pattern of praises. The people who are seeking to undermine democratic plan, folks around the world, including own United States, praises of leader. But Putin, who had the United States under constant the tack trying to undermine the public's confidence, and even are the integrity, electoral process while he's praising the likes of Putin, and almost every other autocrat. He's criticizing our friends and allies and sooner or later, it may not happen to President Trump's administration, which sooner or later, you need friends and allies, you can't even as strong as we are. We can't go it alone. And the he also does this thing which when face to face with somebody like a like a poodle. Or like Kim Jong UN it's and Franklin interview he wants the other person to like him, and he seems to same thing in front of large crowds. He wants the crowd to adore him, and he will do anything to sort of make that bond to kind of have a connection with somebody and indicates of Putin. It's joking about fake news and reporters and election interference. Well, again with autocrats including Putin, and maybe specially President Trump won't be pleaser. He suffers the American disease wanting everybody to like it. But when it comes to friends and allies different attitude. Dan, rather was gonna have you on. Thank you. Coming up next some very strong words. What former president Carter had to say about President Trump today and the Russians and the legitimacy of the president's twenty sixteen victory. Remember to create an ad like this one, visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. It's rare that former presidents directly criticize the man who currently occupies the office that's what happened today. And then some one former president openly question, the legitimacy of Donald Trump winning the presidency. There's former president Jimmy Carter today on C span. There's no doubt that the Russians did interfere in the election. And I think the NFL, although not yet quantified pulled any would show Trump than actually win the election in two thousand sixteen. He lost the election and he was put in office because they Russians interfered on his behalf. So you believe President Trump is an illegitimate president. What I just said was I can retract. Certainly not an ordinary remark I'm joined by former White House large Schultz who's a senior legal analysts and by Rick Wilson Republican strategist and author of everything from touches dies. Jim, first of all, I'm wondering what you make president Carter's comments today. Extremely, rare to hear that from a former president even criticizing a little bit sitting president, not, not. I mean he went all the way. I'm not sure if for president Carter pay attention the fact that there was a full investigation here. The four hundred plus page report was issued by Robert Muller and they didn't talk about the legitimacy of the presidency in any of that. Sure, there was some Russian interference, but never anything about the legitimacy of presidency. So I think president Carter was a little out of his depth fear lot like he was out of his depth when he was president is related to the economy and, and the Konomi during his presidency. We had high inflation, low job growth, low growth in the economy versus the Tropicana me now we have high job growth, high economic growth. So I just think it's it's a little odd little strange that he would do that. And quite frankly, I think he was out of out of his depth to the Rick. I mean, is it was it fair for former president Carter to, to question the very legitimacy of it based on Russian interference? Well, the former president is, obviously, like every American entitled to his opinion on the matter. But I think the bigger question Anderson is if Donald Trump isn't in the pocket of the Russians, how could you tell me from G twenty from the twenty seven today where he sort of joking joshing with Putin and saying, oh, don't interfere in our elections, and to, to Helsinki and other things he has consistently behaved in a way that is served the needs of what Putin very frequently. Well above the needs of the United States. So I think that question of Russian influences already moot now, whether it was a legitimate these legitimate president. We don't have solid evidence that the Russians hacked voter files and caused vote changes elected Trump, but Russia's certainly played an active role in electing. Donald Trump, he was their favourite candidate in two thousand sixteen there's no dispute about that. And there are awful lot of parts of the mower counterintelligence investigation that have yet to come to light that some of the things that congress has sort of hinted around about have indicated there's a there was a very deep and. Persistent, Russian intelligence and information warfare program to elect Donald Trump. Yes. So the former president may have been, but this still a big issue. Do you think did you find it at all unsettling for the president to be joking that way, with ever Putin about interfering in the next election? And the fake news and agreeing with Putin that, they, they all have it, it's a problem. Well, I think going back the other point right where I think it's good that you did Rick talk about the fact that in places like Pennsylvania. In fact, there was a -firmative Lee said that there was no hacking. There was no indication any hacking occurred in Pennsylvania any a state like Pennsylvania. That is a state that Republicans hadn't wanted for the presidency since Bush, forty one but going back to your comment hack. Go, jim. Okay, put there was no interference. There's never any there was never any indication of voter files, hacked, and Pennsylvania. Anyone a state like Pennsylvania, by forty thousand votes, it was a close election. But again in a state where no one expected them to win. But, but he did take it. And so going back to your question Anderson. I mean the president has his own style. I mean, he says, things sometimes off the coffin, whether it's appropriate or not, it's his style. He was elected president, how he interacts with foreign leaders decision. Rick, it is harder, though, for the president to make the argument as he does. And many of his supporters that nobody's been tougher on Russia than he when it what we see in front of the cameras is him sucking up Ladimir Putin in one way or another. Whether I mean today we saw a little bit in their offered to do every. Yeah. He's everything. He's everything. Give. Talking to me. And then Jimmy Gill win. He's offering to give Putin everything, but a foot massage. This is a guy who behaves in a way, that is strikingly different than other American presidents. It should not be a big lift. I'm sure Jim will agree. No foreign power should should should attempt to manipulate our elections at any level. None zero and I think a lot of Trump folks have trouble saying that because they know that Donald Trump will not say Vladimir Putin and a stern and serious way. Don't do this. He expects Putin to do what he didn't sixteen and help and be elected again. He expects Putin to hack people's behaviors to use their information warfare program. They used to do advertising. Targeted to Trump supporters in key states. They're looking forward to having that help again. And they won't say that they don't want it. And they won't say they won't take it. They'll never say it, Jim. The president did say he would look at. That was given to him. And maybe turn it over to the FBI. Maybe. But let's not forget that it was the Trump department of Justice that issue those indictments against the Russians. It's the Trump it's the Trump administration that has taken on Russian time and time again with official acts. So, you know, the commentary and the proof of the proof is in the official actions that have come out of this administration. Not so much. The president says off the cuff. Counsel's office, which was in office that the president was attacking every chance every chance he could. No one get issue without without the attorney general in that case. So let's, let's remember who was in charge, there, it was the attorney general the United States. And at that time, the deputy attorney general, the United States, rod Rosenstein having to work. It was acting hundred who signed off on those indictments against Russia, Rosenstein signed off on those Jim Scholtz. Thank you just said, right? Predate it. Thank you. The ongoing crisis in the city where he's the mayor is forcing people to judge to critique his campaign schedule just ahead background on what's happening in a new interview with the mayor by C, N N's, Don lemon. The right sheets can take your sleep, and your style to the next level with Boll and branch. The upgrade has never been more affordable. Every set is crafted from one hundred percent organic cotton. They get softer and softer over time. That's why they have thousands of five star reviews and even three US presidents have Boll and branch sheets. Try them for thirty nights. And if you don't love them, send them back for a full refund. Go to bollandbranch dot com today for fifty dollars off your first set of sheets, plus free shipping with promo code CNN to spelled B O L L, andbranch dot com. That's bollandbranch dot com, promo code CNN, too. What stood out to many in this campaign has been Joe Biden's unwillingness to polish is really for anything? Now in fairness, it's a chronic condition among politicians and has been probably forever. Which is why moment on stage last night from south bend, Indiana p Buddha. Jed stood out so much as you know, he's dealing with deadly officer involved shooting back home in last night. Express regret that he hasn't handled it better. Your community of south bend, Indiana has recently been in uproar over an officer involved shooting. The police force in south bend is now. Six percent black in a city that is twenty six percent. Black. Why has that not improved over your terms man? Because I couldn't get it done. But community is in anguish right now because of an officer involved shooting. A black man, Eric Logan killed by white officer. And I'm not allowed to take sides until the investigation comes back. The officer said he was attacked with a knife. But he didn't have his body camera on. It's a mess, and we're hurting and I walked through all of the things that we have done as a community all of the steps that we took from bias training to deescalation, but it didn't save the life of Eric Lok. Let's Jason Carroll has more now on the crisis right now in south bend. Doing. South bend. Mayor Pete Buddha. Judge is facing a growing challenge at home as he prepared for last night's first national democratic debate this respectful that I have three. What? Town halls and community events in Indiana. This past weekend erupted in anger over alleged racism in the south bend police department. The recent death of black resident Eric Logan at the hands of a white police officer highlights. A longstanding problem mayor Buddha judge admitted he has not been able to solve be caught up with him on Sunday. We've done so many things over the years, obviously, it hasn't gotten us to the point where there is full trust were even the level of trust that we just need during the eight years. He has been mayor. The south bend police department has slowly grown less diverse. Twenty six percent of south Benz. Population is African American just over five percent of the south bend police force is black nearly half of what it was in twenty fourteen and in two thousand twelve just weeks after taking office Buddha. Judge ousted the city's first black police chief following allegations, that chief improperly taped. Officers phone calls. I'm sick of these things being talked about. Political terms in theoretical terms. Like it's a show. People's lives, the issue highlights political vulnerability for judge a lack of support from African American voters. Love you. On the recording to twenty sixteen exit polls African Americans make up twenty percent of all Democratic Party voters a crucial voting bloc. How do you think this is going to impact your stand with African Americans not just here in south bend, but nationally renowned really thinking of politics, it's not out of any lack of trying. It's a lack of getting where Jason Carroll CNN south bend, Indiana. Good friend, Don lemon spent time today with mayor Buddha, judge he joins us now. How was it was interesting because he's coming off of a night that he feels very confident that he did. Well, now they see the, the polls are, are showing at least the, the, the early polling the official ones. They come out and from public opinion. So he's feeling very confident about that. But he is dealing with race issues as Harris dealing with race issues as Joe Biden is dealing with race issues except his are back home when he is this young mayor who is trying to now become. President of the United States. I spoke to him about that. And whether he actually gets race issues. He's very honest about that. And exactly what he meant when he said, well, I just couldn't get there specifically, what that meant. You said, this is what you said about south men's police force. You say you couldn't get it done. So how are black Americans and all Americans really? How can they trust at you'll get it done issues of race and the tensions across this country? If you become president, if you couldn't get it done in south bend. Why don't they call these issues or things that somebody can just claim to have solved the issues that I haven't solved as a mayor are issues that America hasn't solved that no city has solved, but where we've made progress. Sometimes it's three steps forward and two steps back. I'm not going to present myself as the person who is going to resolve racial tension or racial inequality in this country. That's not the story, I'm telling what I am saying is that we have addressed these issues in my community. We have learned from that, and I'm passionately committed to bringing about in my lifetime a world, where a black person in a white person pulled over by police officer feels the. Zac, same thing, that's feeling out of fear, but a feeling of safety, it's a really interesting position he's in. I'm not sure interesting is the right word but on the one in he's running for president. He's clearly got his eye on that prize. And yet, he has this crisis at home, and he he's got to deal with that it's not. And this isn't the first time Jason Carroll is pointing out there was the issue with the police chief African American police chief, who was fired, and he a lot of these issues he says he can't really get into for legal reasons specific legal reasons. It's interesting spot for don't you think he's in a conundrum because here he is? And I asked him this, we went on after that to. Challenge them bit by asking about framing it, racial issues in the context of police issues in criminal Justice, and he explained himself he's not wanna cast issues about race only that. In that frame. But I do think that he is in a conundrum because he is at the highest point now in his career someone who is being seriously taken as a candidate for the presidency of the United States, and all of a sudden he has issues that are clashing, right? He's got race issues and people are also asking him about being gay. Why took him so long to come out why at thirty seven he hasn't dealt with race issues. In a way that you would think a mayor who who's from a diverse city should be dealing with them. So he's at an interesting point the thing that I get from him now is that he is right to answer questions on these issues because they've all clash together so he can only be honest about them. There is no talking points when it comes to that. 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United States Death Toll Nears 128,000 As Coronavirus Cases Surge

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United States Death Toll Nears 128,000 As Coronavirus Cases Surge

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I'm Jim Acosta in the situation room, and we're following breaking news Bruno, virus death toll in the US now nearing one hundred, twenty eight thousand people, as cases rise in thirty seven states, prompting at least nineteen of them to pause or rollback reopening the crisis in California is so bad that the governor there has just ordered almost seventy five percent of the state back to near shutdown. All Indoor activities in nineteen counties closed for at least the next three weeks that includes museums theatres dining restaurants California joins Georgia and Arizona all setting another. Another one day record number of new cases in the last twenty four hours, all of this apparently lost on president trump who claimed a short time ago that his administration quote did it all right when it comes to the pandemic, and that the virus will quote sort of just disappear. We begin with CNN. National correspondent Jason Carroll in New York Jason Disturbing developments in some of the country's largest states tonight. Yeah, and despite with the President says Jim more than anyone. This virus is not going away is not disappearing. In fact, it's getting worse. In some parts of the country, California's governor forced to close is to try to get a handle on it. California's Governor Gavin, newsom announcing new statewide restrictions this afternoon, halting all indoor activities in businesses, such as restaurants, museums, zoos and movie theaters in Nineteen counties, which represents seventy two percent of the state's population, we are now requiring the closed their indoor corporations, due to the spread of the virus, thirty-seven states, seeing a surge over the past week, and now results of a new study, says the US death count might be higher than the official number show research published in. In the medical journal Jama Internal Medicine, says the number of US deaths from March to May was twenty percent higher than what was attributed to cove nineteen or storm clouds on the horizon, the alarming rise in cases nationwide, prompting New York Governor Andrew Cuomo to stop restaurants in New York City from indoor dining next week. Cuomo warned people do not comply the state which has seen its numbers. Moving in the right direction could end up where it started. We're back. To the mountain. That is what is going to happen. Troubling numbers continue coming in from Texas Arizona and Florida. Where that state's Department of Health reported more than six thousand, five hundred additional Cova cases today the governor continues to push back on critics who say he reopened too soon and should by now have had a state mandate to wear a mask in Texas six, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy five new cases that. That tops the previous single day record by more than one thousand in the face of those numbers. The state's Lieutenant Governor says he will stop listening to recommendations from the nation's top infectious disease expert. Dr Anthony Fauci, who cautioned states against skipping over CDC guidelines when reopening. He doesn't know what he's talking about. We haven't skipped over anything. The only thing I'm skipping over his listening to him. And Jim this number just coming into US Texas now reporting eight, thousand, seventy six new covert cases. This is the state's highest number of cases in a single day again another sign. This virus is not just disappearing, not just going away. We are seeing a resurgence. No question about it. CNN's Jason Carroll. Thank you very much. Let's get now on the breaking news out of California CNN's Dan. Simon is working the story for us. Dan, this near lockdown is a dramatic reversal for California This must just be stunning to residents in that state. How extensive are the closings? You're right Jim. This does mark a major reversal. We're talking about a shutdown of indoor operations across a whole bunch of sectors for nineteen counties. Let's just tick through some of the things we're talking about no indoor operations for restaurants, bars, wineries, museums, zoos, movie, theaters and Family Entertainment now these nineteen counties represent seventy two percent of the population. So this is going to have a significant economic impact for people who work across those industries, but the governor's saying that this is absolutely the right call to stem the surging tide now in terms of what we're expecting over the weekend governor Newsom also. Also saying that state beaches the parking lots for state beaches will be closed. Obviously, they're trying to prevent large gatherings from taking place the beaches themselves will remain open, but without accessibility of the crowds should be a bit lower. You can see this beach behind the moderate crowd today, but of course a lot of people are expected to come to the beaches this weekend Jim. It'll be a very different scene this weekend I assume Dan in the meantime. Do we know exactly why we're seeing the surge in California? Right? What went wrong? Can we put her our finger on one thing here? Old Jim there seems to be a broad consensus among health experts and elected leaders that once the economy began to reopen around Memorial Day. People sort of went back to that pre pandemic mentality. People weren't as diligent about wearing their masks. Particularly young people, not as much social distancing, and that seems to at least contribute to the problem. Right, that is bad news. In d Dan Simon, thank you very much. Let's get more on all of this with CNN's chief medical correspondent. Dr Sanjay Gupta and Dr Chris Murray. He leads a team of Corona virus models at the University of Washington. Very Important Organization there. doctors Thanks to both of you Dr Sanjay Gupta. Let's start with you. First California was seen as one of the early leaders in combating this virus. everybody was looking to California and saying what a great job they're doing, and now it looks like they're almost back to square one. What happened out there now? Yeah well first of all you know the data. You've got to trust the numbers you know. The virus doesn't lie in this regard so sometimes. Go back and they say well. The numbers don't fit there for something didn't happen. They had a sudden surge of cases. That is true why it happened I. Think is sometimes a little bit more challenging to figure out I. Think one of the things governor. NEWSOM has pointed to is is is the fact that private gatherings may have been contributing to this more. Those are harder to regulate even if you closed down the Public Institutions Jim, large private gatherings and neighborhoods or extended family, people, possibly spreading the infection to lots of people at those events, and then people then scattering back to their. Their communities that could be part of the problem. We don't know, but you know you just remind people it can go into very rapid growth quickly Jim. It's like that old thing when you're a kid. You want a penny today. Two pennies tomorrow four pennies the next day, and so forth for a month. Where do you want a million dollars? Most people would take the million dollars. But if you did the pennies, it'd be worth closer to five million dollars. Point is when it starts to double rapidly the numbers grow. Absolutely in Dr Chris Murray What lessons can we learn? From California's reopening and this rollback, it's not a success story anymore in California. Now if this sturge. Cases in California have been rising actually out six weeks more de follow, and now we're seeing opposition going out with with words and sign. Back to the message that we were talking about previously, that is a some of this could be avoided if everybody was diligent, wore a mask, avoid physical contact, or up six feet or less. So quite a bit of this is in control. And Sanjay, one expert is warning that small incremental health measures aren't going to be effective cases of the virus or out of control when you look at the situation now compared to a month ago. Do you think it's time for more drastic measures? And what could they be? Yeah I mean unfortunately you know, and I don't get any joy in saying that I think one of our contributors. Erin Brockovich talked about when you have smaller numbers, you can sort of do more incremental adjustments like a dimmer switch, but when you have large numbers like this of newly infected people. It's more a hammer that you need. Some of it may be what governor newsome is talking about. These stay at home orders are very disruptive. Disruptive, we know that and it can be very disruptive communities for the state as a whole, but in order to get this under control and get back to the point where you say okay, we're looking again for that fourteen day downward trend, get that under control and then open up the right way I. Think is maybe something that's necessary. Nobody wants that I realized Jim, but we may. Decision made four people after a while. Riding in Dr Murray and Georgia Governor Kemp went around on a tour of the state today. Encouraging people to wear masks. But he's still won't issue a statewide mandate on them. desert water down the message. Would mandates help if we had mandates for mass across this country? Would we be seeing a very different picture right now? We would you know people's behavior is Rachel field to. Individual and sells the family, their community or Walsum to Mandarin and I think as we both countries were mandates and being placed where it's not recommendation, requirement, rent, higher use, and so that would be beneficial thing probably stalled Goldman. Sachs came out saying that mask used will save five percentage points of DVD in the US. So there's both their health reason economic reason. These mass mandates and then. You've gotTA wonder if they're talking about that metric around. The White House, that would be a fascinating conversation to listen in on Sanjay. Governor Disentis of Florida says he's less worried about fourth of July barbecues this weekend because he says quote, the Science is pretty clear that outdoor activities are safer. I suppose there is some truth to that, but do you. Do you worry that that sends the wrong message going into the holiday weekend that everybody can just start congregating. At. Barbecues I. in many cases I suppose without masks. People wear masks, but there are so many people who just resist doing so. Yeah people like to think of these things and just binary terms. You know either you can do it totally the normal way they used to or you can't and I do think the truth lies in there somewhere between you know, it is true that outdoor events are much safer. I think I think even according to Dr Murray's modeling. You know fifteen eighteen times safer in terms of decreased likelihood of transmission, but keep in mind now you're dealing with a state where there's a lot of people who are carrying the virus, so if I came back to you and. And said after that barbecue, you were in close contact with somebody who is carrying the corona virus, and now you have to be part of the contact tracing possibly after quarantine. That's more likely to happen. Now given how much viruses circulating there so you have to keep that in mind and also Jim as you as you say, it's not just the area where you are inside versus outside or even just the distance, but the duration. If you're next to somebody for a long period of time, he even if you're outside, that increases the risk as well. Okay Dr Sanjay Gupta Dr Chris Murray, fascinating discussion, great information, unfortunately just a sad predicament that the whole country seems to be right now. Thank you very much for all of that. We appreciate it up. Next increasingly is located on mass president. Trump appears to change his stance, just just touch but will he set an example for the nation by wearing a mask himself plus the crisis deepens as states including Arizona and California report record numbers of New Corona virus cases. Think about your home for a moment. It's where life happens. It's where you build that treehouse or try that recipe. It's where you rest and recharge and play. 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Breaking News, we're following president trump speaking out about the coronavirus pandemic a short time ago, and making some stunning claims, C. N. N. White House. Correspondent Jeremy Diamond has details Jeremy. The President Seems Unaware of how this crisis is escalating. Well, Jim. Amid this alarming surgeon corona virus. Haven't heard much from the president's over the last five days, the president has been out of sight but today he is breaking that streak making some movement on this question of masks, but we're. He's not changing is on this notion that the corona viruses somehow simply going to disappear the president, saying today that he believes at some point, corona virus will just disappear. I think we're going to be very good with the coronavirus. I think that at some point that's going sort of just disappear I. Hope Tonight, President Trump is betting on wishful thinking to stop the alarming surge of corona virus across the country. You still believe disappear I do I, do yes sure point with corona virus cases trending upward in thirty seven states and his own public health experts calling for swift action trump who? Who once called himself a wartime president in the face of a pandemic now appears to be taking a back seat. He hasn't appeared at a briefing alongside health experts in weeks, and he undermined CDC guidelines by rallying thousands of people at an indoor arena last month, but today I'm from asks. Masks are good. The president who has found himself increasingly isolated over the issue of wearing masks. Now saying this, you would wear one. I would Oh, I, have I. Mean People Have Seen Me wearing one? Group of people where we're not ten feet away, and but usually I'm not in that position and everyone's tested actually. Oh, I had a mask on I. Sort of like the way I looked okay had to look like the lone ranger, but the president is still resisting Cole's for a national mandate. Water of you need mandatory, because you have many places in the country. People feel good about it, they should. Should do trump's comments. Coming after a slew of Republicans have stepped up their coals for Americans to wear masks while also resisting instituting a requirement resent have to require mandate for people to wear a mask. The right thing to do I. Trust People. They're GONNA do that if we ask them Nice President Mike Pence also stepping up his coals for mask wearing if local officials agree, we believe that. Americans should wear mask whenever state and local authorities indicate that it's appropriate. The president's campaign, meanwhile finding a fall guy for the president's Tulsa campaign rally, reassigning its chief operating officer to a new role after trump privately fumes not about the lack of health precautions, but because the arena wasn't packed to the Brim. And then there's the culture wars from keeping his defense of monuments to the confederacy and threatening to veto a military funding bill because it would strike. The names of confederate generals from military bases is also attacking New York's mayor for plans to paint. Matter in front of trump tower on fifth avenue, pulling the slogan, a symbol of hate and suggesting police officers should block the painting. Amid mounting evidence that Russia tried to pay Taliban fighters to kill US troops, the president, stepping up his attacks on those reports, discrediting the intelligence, as just another hoax, even as his administration prepares to briefed congressional gang of Eight on the issue tomorrow. This didn't rise to the occasion and from what I hear. And I hear it pretty good. The intelligence people didn't even many of them didn't believe it happened at all. I think it's a hoax. Hoax by the newspapers and the Democrats. And Jim the White House press. Secretary Kaley mcenaney she had a briefing a few moments ago, where she defended the president's comments about the virus, simply disappearing at some point saying that it's the president having confidence in the team that he's put together. But what's clear Jim is that this is a White House that doesn't want to make this latest surge. Look like that. I search. They don't want this to look like. Like the national emergency style briefings that we saw during the early part of the coronavirus pandemic, when cases were surging and hospitals were reaching capacity instead. They want this to look very different because they want Americans to be less alarmed of course Jim. The president's reelection is just around the corner, and that's a big part of this. They do not want Americans to feel like. This surge is going back to square one. Jeremy People are alarmed because this emergency is not disappearing CNN's Jeremy Diamond. Thank you very much. Let's bring it on CNN White House scores by John Harwood and CNN political correspondent Abbie Philip John let me. Go to you. First President now says he's all for masks, but so far. He hasn't really taken any steps to reflect that. How can I say something like that right now? Well he's backing into it under extreme pressure from a whole range of Republicans what you have to ask yourself is given the scale of the crisis given the scale, the fact that very large states are now throwing opening into reverse because of the threat of corona virus in their states is backing into it. Good enough in that clip. That Jeremy just played a moment ago, Brian Kemp, the governor of Georgia said well. You don't have to have a mandate. If you ask, people will wear it well. The president isn't really asking people to wear a mask. You saying Oh, it's okay if they want. Want to do it. That's fine that is not leading on this issue, and you've got entire range of people briefing yesterday where the surgeon general was pleading with Americans to wear a mask, and so were other members of the administration That's a message that the president has a unique ability to deliver much better than anyone else in the country. He's not it. He sounds disconnected with reality about the scale of the crisis. That's right. He has the bully pulpit and Abby Philip President, trump says he likes how he looks at a mask. But this isn't about looks. It's about saving lives. What what do you make of that comment? Well, it really just gives you a window into how the president is approaching this and has been approaching this from day one. One of the things you have to remember is he has used masks a political weapon against Vice President Biden because he has said that Biden looks week. His campaign has used images of Biden wearing a mask, a see campaign attack ads, so it's not surprising that the president would be first and foremost concerned about the way that he looks and wanting to change that narrative before he changes his behavior. Behavior on the subject of whether he will wear masks but I also think that this is a sign of how the president has had trouble with this part of the presidency, which is the way in which he has to demonstrate the kind of behavior that he wants the public to to actually exhibit the argument that the White House makes is that the president is tested regularly and so they. They do not believe or they think there's a very good reason for them to believe that he does not have the coronavirus, and therefore doesn't have to wear a mask, but at the same time the way in which he demonstrates leadership on the subject is what you're hearing from a lot of mayors and governors and people who are leading cities and struggling to get their populations to listen to government officials. Officials, they want the president to demonstrate that to his supporters, and he's always had a very difficult time with that part it's it's usually Do as I say not as I do, and in this case that's just not sufficient given the level of crisis. We're facing. Yeah, and John Harwood it took a new peak of infections and many Republicans breaking from him on mass to get to this point. Is the president leading here, or is he being led? He's quite plainly being led and what was governing his behavior which is the same thing was governing at the beginning of this crisis? That is the idea that he doesn't want to disturb the psychology of the country around the state of the economy in the beginning, it was to protect a strong economy that we began this re election year in now it's try to protect the recovery, but it is quite obvious that the worst corona virus situation is the worst. The economy's going to be and what the? The president doesn't get in this election. Calculation is one of the reasons why he's in deep deep trouble for reelection is that people don't think he's taking the coronavirus seriously so if he continues to not take seriously in hopes of not disturbing the psychology, he's digging, a deeper hole and Abbey today. The president repeated this line that the virus will disappear at some point. We've heard this before. Let's watch a compilation of when he said this before. By April, you know in theory when it gets a little warmer. Miraculously goes away when you have fifteen people and the fifteen within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. It's going to disappear one day. It's like a miracle. It will disappear. This is GonNa go away without a vaccine. It's going to go away and it's. We're not going to see it again hopefully. Abby is Ronald Reagan, said there, he goes again. Yeah, I, mean it's. It's basically magical thinking on the president's part that somehow if you just ignore the virus, it's going to just disappear. That is obviously not how this works and and the problem for president trump is that the American public understands that they by enlarge? Want the government to do more to protect them from this virus. They understand that their lives and their livelihoods are on the line here. You know a couple of months ago. When this whole thing started, the president's own aides were telling me that he understood that he had to get control of the virus in order to have the best shot reelection. Reelection but day after day. The president seems to have given up on that. Hoping that this thing will just go away, but we could be facing really a worse. public health situation than we faced a few months ago. Given the way that the cases are rising, and then if there is an economic of fall back a where we're going backwards in terms of economic progress, I think the American public are not going to look at that. A very positively in the president could be an even deeper hole when it comes to his political situation seems to be shaping up that way, John, Harwood and Abby Phillips thank you very much. This breaking news is just A. Data from the Pentagon, showing the number of corona virus cases in the US military as more than doubled since June tenth as of today there are almost sixty five hundred servicemembers testing positive for covid nineteen. That is up just over twenty eight hundred three weeks ago. Defense officials say the rise in cases happening largely in hotspot states including California. Arizona Texas and Florida, WE'RE GONNA. Keep is on that. As our service, members need to stay safe in the middle of this covid, nineteen pandemic, like the rest of us and coming up Massachusetts requires visitors from all but seven states to self quarantine for two weeks. Will it stop the virus from spreading I'll ask the mayor of Boston layered. Multiple States are ordering bars to close again. Is there any way to keep them open and safe? Symptoms of overactive bladder. 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With a fourth of July holiday weekend around the corner of Massachusetts now is allowing people from only seven New England stays to avoid a mandatory fourteen day self quarantine when they come to visit with now is the Mayor of Boston Marty Walsh mayor. Thanks so much for joining us. We appreciate it. One of the states on that list is new. York governor Cuomo is warning of new problems in New York City. has there been enough progress for you to feel safe? Welcoming visitors from these seven states. I know. You're trying to be cautious about it, but Are you being cautious enough? I think we are right now. I know the governor has expressed some concern over the last couple of days are watching. We obviously monetary, great closely these other states in other cities around out the northeast part of the country. Even an emergency read at one point, nine percent positive test rate for Kovic so which track in this number literally on a daily basis and tracking these these trends on a daily basis here as we move forward. In a New York City mayor, Bill de Blasios wants the names of people flying into the city. In order to make sure they're getting what they need while quarantining. Would consider in Boston. Maybe being a little too invasive. Do you think? Yeah. I don't think we do that something of that here. In Boston I think that we're asking people that come from outside of the state, of Massachusetts to city other than those seven stakes in own stays plus New Jersey and New York. To self quarantine for fourteen days obviously one of the concerns. I have coming up here in the fall late summer early fall as the schools and colleges, a lot of archaeologists here in Boston to open up, and my concern is seeing the spike in case around the country, many of the kids that are going to be coming from those states right now that that are seeing these incredible surges that that were all in a single last seven days. And how do you police this just very quickly? Are Checking license plates. How do you? How do you monitor this? Now it's not we're not doing legs bites. I. Think Really we're asking people to kind of self quarantine. Done it pretty much. The whole time in Boston, in Massachusetts made recommendations wearing masks and keeping physical social distancing. And you know quite. Honestly I think a lot of numbers being so low as due the fact that people are paying attention i. think with what people are seeing now around the country. ADDS another layer of concern to them, seeing that people in what way quite honestly is really alarming to me in Florida. In place like that is that the folks that are testing positive are younger people that ages dirty fortysomethings and You know that that's something that in the very beginning I have some concern I was having a personal concerns that people weren't wearing face coverings, but now I think we understand the importance of wearing them. I think as as we've watched tapping around the country all the state. State shutdown all these states reopened, and they put these rules out the window. We didn't reopen until it was appropriate was still not fully reopened on the governor's going to announce another phase next couple of days here, in Massachusetts and we'll take a very cautiously and president trump today repeated his claim that the virus will eventually disappear I'm sure you saw that are a report from Jeremy Diamond a few moments ago. What goes through your mind when you hear the president say that the virus is going to disappear. Yeah I mean th. There's no hope of that I. think that we we. We were told in the very beginning this. If I remember correctly February march, the virus would have a lifespan by the summer would die out and we're. We're in the summer with had we haven't in heat wave in Boston, but we've just had seven or eight. Very one day in the virus is very much alive, not just here in Boston, but throughout the country and unfortunately. Until the scientists are doctor tells me. The virus saw when the dryers might ended cycle. I'll believe that, and unfortunately we keep hearing from everyone. Every expert is that we're. We're in in desperate need of having a vaccine here. Attitude to to combat the virus and one expert at Boston Medical Center, Warren's this weekend could be the perfect storm for a spike in new cases, people are GonNa be out there going to be barbecuing. They're going to. Some will be tempted to go to parties and watch fireworks. So what? What is your message to Boston's? As your great city has into this July holiday. We've done a Lotta work here. We not not just myself an elected officials, but the communities on a lot of great work here and keeping our rates down. Our cases now in a masking you is this weekend comes on comes and goes, do the same social distance physical distance. I wear masks. No large gatherings I know this year is not cook cookouts this. This year he had for for intimate small family. Gatherings why would. We want WANNA risk all of all of what we're doing here and it's actually have to shut down the economy again by people being are being irresponsible, some cases to their own health so I'm asking people to to be responsible for your own healthcare responsible family be responsible for neighbors. That's very good advice. Okay Mayor! Marty Walsh thank you very much for joining us and hope you stay safe as well. We appreciate it. Coming something president trump in Russia's Vladimir Putin seem to have in common no mask later. Is there any way to make bar safer other than closing them down to prevent the coronavirus from spreading? GROWN OF IRIS headlines, from around the globe president trump is not the only leader who is reluctant to wear a mask and public latimer. Putin was conspicuously unmasked today when he cast an important vote in Russia's in ends. Matthew Chances Monitoring developments from London tell us more. Jim A big day in Russia's voters decide on changes that could save Ladimir Putin, remaining power for another sixteen years state television, showing him casting his own and appears to be the person. They're not wearing a facemask. Everyone else. Election officials security journalists. They've got their masks on, said simple in a country where corona virus is still raging or calls another leader who prefer not to wear a face mask. Is President Trump? Who suggested that some Americans? Americans wear masks not to protect against coronavirus, but to signal disapproval of him I. Don't think it's taken on that kind of political symbolism in Russia and Putin has at least one occasion appeared wearing a full head to toe, Hazmat suit, but what Putin has been doing in the run-up to these national voter in Russia. He's saying the battle against Corona. Virus is all but one. Perhaps wearing a mask would project the right kind of confidence Jim. All right Mattie Jazz. Thank you very much. Brazil is second the US and the number of coronavirus cases and experts say cases likely won't peak until mid July to mid, August despite that Rio de Janeiro is starting to reopen, let's go to CNN Shasta. Darlington, Shasta, what are you seeing? Jim? Rio De Janeiro is preparing to reopen bars, restaurants gyms, all starting tomorrow and private schools next week. Even though the number of new cove, nineteen infections in the state has not slowed, and the rate of contagion has actually gone up since it allowed shopping malls and offices to reopen earlier this month. In fact, the pan-american Health Organization warned that countries such as Brazil. Argentina and Peru aren't likely to peak until mid August the group's director also. Also said the death toll in Latin America and the Caribbean could nearly quadruple to more than four, hundred, thirty, eight, thousand by October. At this point, Brazil has reported more than one point, four million infections and nearly sixty thousand deaths jim a so, Darlington, thank you. Mexico City is finally starting to reopen. Even though coronavirus cases are rising at an alarming rate, their CNN's Matt Rivers. Is there right right now for us? Tell us more men. Jim Of all the tests that Mexico has reported over the last seven days more than forty three percent of them have come back positive for covid nineteen. This is Mexico regularly has one of the highest testing positively rates of any country around the world, and the reason for that is simple. It is Mexican government policy to only test people who have strong symptoms of this virus, which means that they have only tested less than six hundred thousand people overall since this outbreak. Outbreak began Mexico's government argues that they don't need to engage in mass testing to get a handle on this outbreak, but that goes against what many public health experts would tell you that mass testing is crucial to understanding the true nature of any given outbreak, meanwhile more news out of the Presidential Office today here in Mexico City, with an announcement that Mexican President Lopez over door will be traveling to Washington on July eighth for a bilateral meeting with President Trump Jim. Thank you very much coming up California's shatters. It's one day record for new corona virus cases as the governor orders, thousands of businesses to close again plus multiple states were bars closed as cases surge. Is there any way for them to operate safely during the pandemic? Worsening pandemic is prompting some states once again. Order bars closed C. N. N.'s Brian Todd is working that part of the story for US Brian Bar seem to account for at least part of the increasingly rapid spread of the coronavirus. It's getting scary. It is Jim is inescapable that crowded bars recently have accounted for at least part of those spikes, not all of them, but experts say the atmosphere. The dynamic in bars make them potential super spreaders. Carefree crowd at a bar in Austin Texas many inside not wearing face masks in Jersey City. This bar was cited twice in one weekend for overcrowding, police say hundreds of people were inside, not wearing masks or social distancing at this club in Houston and owner says they required patrons to show. They had a mask in order to get in, and had the tables spaced out, but he says customers ignored the rules as much as we try to. Everyone based on the guidelines. It's not the facility. It's the P.. These scenes from recent days have prompted America's top voice on the coronavirus virus outbreak to issue a stern warning about bars or Baas really not good. Really not. Congregation at a bar inside is bad news. We really got to stop that. In Texas, where a corona virus spike has surged to alarmingly dangerous levels. Governor Greg Abbott admitted he made a mistake with his states reopening. If I could go back and Redo anything, it probably would have been to slow down. The opening of bars now saying in the aftermath of how quickly the coronavirus spread in the bar setting in you know how a bar setting in reality just doesn't work with pandemic, but Abbott and his State or certainly not alone tonight is among seven states, some of them experiencing massive spikes in cases which have either shutdown bars completely or have partially shut them or pause reopenings. Experts say crowded bars alone. Don't account for the recent spikes, but they say the natural social atmosphere in bars is especially dangerous. Bars are places where people are not wearing masks places where people are social distancing. And after some drinks, of course you lose your ambitions in you, even or less conscious. The doctors we spoke to say there's almost no way to make an indoor setting safe during this pandemic. Indoors they say especially. If there's loud music playing at a bar, it's like a petri dish for the spread of the virus inside into bar. If it's noisy, there's music playing. The IT. Noise is GonNa make you talk louder when you talk louder extol more droplets from their mouth. Those droplets of course can contain the virus in to the people, another part of the so called perfect storm of infection experts say is the average age of many people who go to bars. They feel invincible because they're young. And quite frankly throughout the beginning of this pandemic, it's mostly. Been Messaging about older folks and people with preexisting health conditions as being vulnerable. So has this pandemic killed the bar scene? Completely the medical experts we spoke to don't believe it. has they believe that traditional crowded bars will make a comeback, but they say that can't be until we have proven vaccines, and what they call, herd, immunity and Jim. They say that may not happen for maybe another year or so. In the video of those crowded bars, just downright stunning C., N. N.'s Brian. Todd thanks, we're focusing on that. We've reached it coming up. California's matic rolled back reopen the state posts, a record number of new corona virus cases details of which businesses the governors were enclosed again. That's coming up.

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We're just learning from a source that. That the White House will brief Democrats tomorrow morning on reports of Russian intelligence officers, bribing the Taliban to target American forces in Afghanistan eight Republican. Lawmakers were brief today at the white. House is downplaying the reports saying there's no consensus among US intelligence and it denies president trump. Was briefed on them. Let's begin with the breaking news and the coronavirus pandemic CNN national correspondent Jason. Carroll is live from new. York right now. Jason cases are on the rise in more than half of the states. Without a doubt, Jay troubling numbers coming in from across the country, take the state of California for example state, seeing a forty five percent increase in corona virus cases just over the past week. Health experts are now warning. If more people don't practice social, distancing this could just be the beginning. Tonight Corona virus cases are surging across sections of the country, prompting at least a dozen states to pause or rollback reopening plans the country's house secretary warning the window is closing to get the under control. This is a real call to action. We have all got to as Americans act responsibly. Nationwide Florida now leads in new corona virus cases to spread primarily among young people or seeing A. A rise in in the infection rate of young people they will in then in turn eventually bring it in and to their parents and their grandparents, and then we're going to have a problem bars in a state now close for the second time, several counties, also closing beaches ahead of the fourth of July holiday, the mail of Holland'll beach in Florida heckled when she made the announcement. We're all in this together now and we will get through it if everyone cooperates in Texas health expert, seeing a sharp increase in infections among young people there as well bars now close to help slow the spread. The Governor says over the past two weeks the daily number of cases have spiked from an average of two thousand, two, roughly five thousand, some people now lining up and waiting hours for Cova. Test Hospitalizations here in Dallas of doubled for Kobe just this month, and also in our region. That, we're at the tipping point down in Harris. County where Houston is, and so the doctors are asking for us to have universal masking one bar in east. Lansing, Michigan shows just how infectious the virus can be. The health department is asking patrons who visited Harper's restaurant and brew pub earlier this month to self quarantine after some eighty five people contracted covid. Covid nineteen bars ordered closed in seven counties now in California. It was one of the first states to issue a stay at home order, and now sounding the alarm after seeing a surge in cases for not Atwood's. We have to continue to take every single possible precaution and I. Do Think People in California believe science, and going to to pay attention and. And adjust their behavior. New Data obtained by CNN show some of the hardest hit states including Texas, Florida and Arizona. Do not have the amount of contact tracers. They need to stop the spread of the virus contact tracers follow and monitor contacts of an infected person to see whether they become ill. This as a Dr Anthony Fauci warns that vaccine, if and when it is developed may not end the outbreak. His concern people may refuse to take it. That's one of the reasons why we have to make sure we engage the community as we're doing now to get community people to help us for people to understand that we are doing everything we can to show that it's safe and that it's effective. So Jim while you have states like Florida rolling back or putting on a pause on things there take the city of Jacksonville, for example of the site of the RMC now. That folks there were mask whether inside or outside in the flipside states like Arizona, which has also seen a surge in cases there, but not putting pause on things there yet so far businesses bars restaurants operating business as usual Jim. Are CNN's Jason Carroll? Thank you very much out of the White House and CNN White House correspondent Jeremy Diamond Jeremy we're learning. Democrats will be briefed tomorrow on these disturbing reports of Russian back on US troops. Can you tell us? That's right Jim today eight Republican lawmakers were briefed at the White House on this intelligence. The White House has said that it did invite Democrats to this briefing as well, but they didn't come to an agreement before this briefing, but now an aide to the number two house Democrat Steny Hoyer says Democrats have indeed reached that agreements and that a handful of Democrats. Democrats will get a briefing tomorrow at eight am. From White House officials now. They're saying though Jim that. This is not a substitute for the all house. Members briefing that Democrats are demanding now amid all of this gym. There is still a corona virus pandemic. That is escalating as you know and the president though Jim. He is focusing on anything but that. With the corona virus, surging to record levels in the United States president trump is talking about anything, but the pandemic instead inflaming racial tensions between Americans attacking Democrats and knocking down reports about an alleged Russian plot to kill American troops with cases climbing in thirty one states the president referencing the corona virus, just two out of more than one hundred tweets in Saturday. This is a very very serious situation, and the window is closing for us to take action and get this under control and vice president, Mike Pence making a rare plea for Americans to do the same encourage. Everyone to wear a mask in the affected areas wearing a mask, just a good idea. Those comments are notable shift after he and president trump rally thousands of massless supporters indoors. And where campaign staffers removed stickers, urging attendees socially distance according to this video obtained by The Washington Post as for the president. It's the personal choice of any individual as to whether to wear a mask or not, he encourages people to make whatever decision is best for their safety, but the president is still refusing to lead by example I wish the president would wear mask when it's appropriate, because millions of Americans admire him, and they would follow his lead real men wear masks. Be an example to the country. And where the mask the White House is also confronting reports that Russian intelligence officers tried to bribe Taliban fighters to kill us. Troops the white. House press secretary, disputing a New York Times report that trump was briefed on the intelligence, but struggling to explain why he was not informed, I'm there was not a consensus among the intelligence community, and in fact there were dissenting opinions within the intelligence community, and it would not be elevated to the president until it was verified, but that's not true according to. To a former CIA officer who has conducted presidential daily briefings? You don't put things into the President's daily brief only when they are completely corroborated and verified because then it's not intelligence anymore. Then it's backed. This is the kind of thing that is designed to go to the president of the United States trump has taken to twitter to decry reporting about the intelligence, claiming Intel just reported to me that they did not find this info credible, and therefore did not report it to me or VP. Said trump still had not been briefed on the intelligence. Even as the White House briefed seven Republican members of Congress today, the White House press secretary, also defending the president after he approvingly re tweeted this video of one of his supporters. mcenaney claiming trump didn't hear that racist slogan and Four between us, he did, and he did not hear that particular phrase, but trump has previously said he always knows what he's re tweeting. retweeting. Everything trump deleted the tweet three hours later amid widespread criticism. Well. There's there's no question they should not have re tweeted. He should just take it down. And Jim what we have not heard from the president or the White House press secretary is any kind of concern about the fact that this intelligence could very well be real. That Russia may, in fact have paid these bounties Taleban militants in order to kill US troops, and what we also haven't heard as any kind of commitment to get to the bottom of this and determine whether any American lives were lost because of Russian actions, the White House Press Secretary Jim. She was also asked whether she had or whether. The president has any message for Moscow and she simply said once again that the president has not been briefed the question, though still remains Jim why. And a lot of inconsistencies all right Jeremy Diamond thank you very much. Let's get back to the breaking news on the corona. Virus crisis. I'm joined now by New Jersey, Governor Phil Murphy. Governor thanks for joining us, we appreciate it. Just announced, you will no longer allow indoor dining to resume in New Jersey on Thursday. That's GONNA come as a shock to a lot of people in your state. What led you to decide at a pause on this as part of your reopening plan? A good to be with you, Jim a number of factors, and by the way we have outdoor dining, and that is for the most part going. Very well, and we're GONNA. Continue to promote that in this isn't a forever and for always, but this virus indoors sedentary lack of ventilation. Close proximity is just a lot more lethal than it is outdoors, and when you look at what's going on in other parts of the country right now we've gone through. Hell and New Jersey with lost over thirteen thousand people. We're trying to do everything we can to not go through hell again and we think if we could push off indoor dining even for a few weeks. We can better run this virus to the ground. And that's what we're going to try to do. And Governor as you know New Jersey is one of fourteen states currently slowing. They're reopening as you watch. These new hotspots emerged around the country. Do you, think premature. Reopening is to blame for this rise coronavirus cases. Lists Jim. My visibility is one hundred percent focused on Jersey. So I'm only looking at the other states from afar. By the way we wish them nothing, but a quick resolution here and they're all in our prayers I. Do know this We closed down hard. In March and we stayed closed hard, and then when we reopen, we did it outdoors I and we did it incrementally. We're not in the end zone ourselves. By the way we still we announce fatalities today, but I personally believe that series of events that series of steps is the right way to think about this incremental outside I be aggressive when you shot and be cautious when you open and you said today, if you could build a wall around US meaning New Jersey and around our region you would are you considering further restrictions in an attempt to protect your citizens? Could you do more than just what you're announcing today? The constitution doesn't allow us to stop people at the border, and were the United States of America were all Americans were all list together, but we have pleaded in an advisory for folks. If they've been in a hot spot in the country to self quarantine for fourteen days to to get test, get tested one of the things we have done. That's at our disposal. That was it there in March, is we? We have among the highest per capita testing capacity in the country. We've got a contact tracing core. That's growing by the day so God willing. We could spot this much more quickly. Surrounded and drive it to the ground but we do want folks again. If you've been in a hotspot self quarantine, get tested, and you said wearing a mask is not a political statement is a statement that you're smart. What is your message to those who are politicizing mask-wearing? You've spent some time with the president. He seems to be politicizing mask wearing. What's your message on masks? Listen I we we're big believers in masks and face coverings. You know the basic stuff still matters here social distancing face coverings, washing hands with soap and water, staying away from others. If you're not feeling well we believe in that inside, mandate it outside, we strongly encourage it. We think it's a game changer. Alright New Jersey Governor, Phil Murphy! Thank you very much for joining us. We appreciate it up next. 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Jim Say that in their experience and these are former senior officials who have worked with multiple president that is quote inconceivable to them that the president would not have been briefed on something like this especially, because of the potential threat to the US military i. just want to read you some quotes. They said that as soon as it came in because of the nature. Nature of the threat, you would immediately brief the principals, the Secretary of Defense, the national security adviser and then their opinion, the president and the vice president I went on and to ask one source. If it was any other president, would the intelligence community make sure the president knew about it, and the source said a hundred percent because it is the Russians absolutely. Absolutely absolutely and both sources Jim were stunned that Congressional leadership the intelligence, committee the gang of eight had not been a briefed, and finally they said to me the question you have to ask yourself is if the president wasn't briefed. Why in the world wasn't he gem? It's a very good question and a lot of people asking that question tonight. Jamie gingell thank. Thank you so much. Joining us now is the chairman of the House intelligence. Committee California Democratic Representative Adam Schiff shift. Thank you so much for joining us eight of your Republican. Colleagues received a detailed briefing on this intelligence. Today. We're now learning. Some Democrats will be briefed tomorrow as the chairman of the House, Intelligence Committee will you be part of that briefing? yes, my understanding is that I will be and it will be tomorrow morning. We're we're also asking for a briefing. For All of our committee, members that the intelligence community comment and give them an in person briefing on it, and of course the speaker has asked that the the intelligence community briefed the entire membership of the House and I think that's appropriate Given the Threat to our troops. If the these allegations proved to be accurate we also want to look into this issue of whether. The president was briefed on this and if he was not briefed. Why that was again. A concern with speaking truth to power that Donald Trump doesn't wanna hear anything negative about Vladimir Putin. Because after all, the president was inviting Russia back into the. And it's kind of unfathomable that he would do that if he was knowing of the fact, that his his friend, Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin or Russian intelligence services. If. These public reports are accurate, were offering bounty on the heads of American troops. and. Let me ask you about this. Because it goes to a Jamie. Gal was talking about a few moments ago the white. House insists there is no consensus within the intelligence community about this. Bounty matter is that reason enough for you to not present this intelligence to the president? Not at all I mean it is frequently the case that. The president will be breached should be briefed on matters where there is no absolute certainty about the intelligence on a given topic. And what we expect. Our Intelligence Agency leaders to do is say Mr President. We have intelligence that shows x, Y or Z. we have low confidence in this intelligence, or we have high confidence, or we have moderate confidence in this so that the president can evaluate the significance of it, but also ask for more information, so no, it's not sufficient to say. We didn't tell them because we couldn't you know dot every I cross every t prove every point If you're president is making decisions about the US Russia relationship which we do all the time if it's. Goes to the protection of our troops that's something that needs to be briefed to the commander in chief and the White House says the president was not briefed on this as you were saying but Mr Trump's tweet. He tweeted about this last night, saying he had spoken to the Intel community about what was going on in Afghanistan when it when it came to these Russian bounties, his tweet seems to suggest otherwise. Does that add up to you? You know the fact that matter is Jim. We can't rely on anything. The President says or anything The president's people say about him. and certainly can't rely on the press secretary to give the honest truth about something, so we just don't know, but it's really I think a problem either way. And that is the agency's either told him and he's denying it. Or they didn't tell them and we'd like to find out. Why is this again an issue where? Russian interference in our election. Bringing this up to the president is a great way to get a one way ticket out of the cabinet. Are they simply afraid to confront him with evidence and information that contradicts the Rosie Narrative. He wants to tell about Vladimir Putin's Russia or as the speaker has asked, is an issue of them, not trusting the president because there have been public reports of the president compromising intelligence even in the Oval Office with with Russian diplomats so. So is that a question, too? I would think if we're briefing our allies if those reports are accurate that ought to be certainly something that would have been briefed to the president and I WANNA. Get to corona virus for just a very quickly on this matter of these Russian bounties. Would you like to see hearings on this? Do there need to be hearings on this? Yes, we've asked this week. We asked intelligence agencies to come in and brief us in person. And so we would be doing a classified briefing or hearing on it. And we hope that we can arrange that asap and the governor of your home state of California. Chairman says there is a forty forty five percent a rise in positive corona virus tests over the last week what is your reaction to the messaging coming out of the white as your state? Many of these other states are fighting this virus and yet we're seeing these cases going up. Pretty dramatically in some states like yours well, the trends across the country and in my home, state of California are deeply alarming. And they're not help at all. In fact, they're made infinitely worse by the President, essentially counter messaging against what they health experts are saying. Including the rise of the presence of the virus increase in hospitalizations, the president, falsely blaming this just increased testing when expert after expert state after state has confirmed. No, this isn't just about more testing. This is about more people getting sick. And what's more, the counter messaging on wearing a mask? One of the most cost effective things we can do in addition to social distancing and merely washing our hands the continual counter messaging from the president. The participation of that issue is deeply destructive. I introduced a bill last week. To allow every American to get a mask by simply requesting it delivered by the Postal Service. To do PSA's on wearing masks as well as further research, but these are things that we can do that will help state in the union, and it's just a negligent for the administration, not to be leading right now. Okay, Chairman Adam Schiff! Thank you very much time. We appreciate it and coming up a new warning from Dr Anthony Fauci about the limits of Corona virus vaccine. If we get one and with run, virus cases spiking Florida authorities were beaches closed even through the fourth of July weekend. As that is coming up just around the corner. Hbo Max the New Way to stream all of Hbo God is the Greatest Collection of a love TV. Movies. Joker and new Max originals HBO Max Starts. Streaming Day visit HBO Max, Dot, com to start your free trial, free trials for new customers, only restrictions apply. On the breaking news, the US Corona, virus, death toll, nearing one hundred and twenty six thousand people, as cases rise, and more than half the states, and continue to surge Florida Texas Arizona and California let's get more with CNN's chief medical correspondent Dr Sanjay Gupta and the director of the Harvard Global, Health Institute Dr. She's jaw. Thank you both doctors for being with US Dr. Dr Gupta Sanjay when you look at these side by side maps of Corona virus cases in the US. Today compared to Memorial Day just one month ago, what does this tell you about what lies ahead? If we proceed down this path of reopening, I mean these maps are just jarring to look at I mean it really should be the reverse of this? Yeah right I mean I thought we'd be having a much different conversation by now. You know sort of ended June going July fourth weekend, maybe some celebration over heading in the right direction, but obviously we're not I. Mean I think as a as a as a doctor? If you sort of look at that map and that as a human body I see that the infection has worsened throughout the body throughout the country, while there were some localized areas before you thought, maybe you could treat those localized areas and hopefully. Put the country in better shape now it seems like it's become really a consuming for the body so I look at that, and and honestly Jim makes me worried about the whole country, even though there are some brighter spots in there. I'm worried. I mean. We're the United States. This is a contagious virus. It can continue to spread so i. look at that and say treatment is needed. Action is needed now. There's no there's no no sense waiting. And Dr. Fourteen states are now pausing some reopening efforts. Would you encourage others to follow their lead and slow down? Efforts so we can return to something resembling where we were perhaps around Memorial Day weekend. Jim So I, would and I think all the states across the country have to look at what's happening across the south and southwest, and really see that as a warning signal that says you know I think. Part of what happened was after Memorial Day. We all sort of had this feeling. Of maybe the pandemic is behind us. It's clearly not and I think the states that are not necessarily having big outbreaks. Really do need to look at whether they can really open up bars and restaurants and nightclubs I think the diagnosis here is that we probably cannot do those things and really need to try to preserve whatever amount of freedom we have before things get worse and Sanjay. Learning about how children fare against the coronavirus linked. Pediatric Inflammatory, Syndrome just so scary for a lot of parents out there to. Hear about this. Yeah, no, I. It is scary and you know. Thankfully it still seems to be relatively rare, although now twenty six states you know, have reported at least one child who's who's dealt with this. Multi Inflammatory Syndrome. Thankfully, it's rare because when kids do get it. They get pretty sick from this couple of things that we're learning is that these kids most likely had been infected within the last couple of weeks prior to them starting to develop these symptoms, eighty percent of the children needed to be in an intensive care unit, twenty percent needed to be on a breathing machine and. Two percent died. So you know it's? Something that we obviously have to take seriously still not entirely clear why some children develop others do not what's protective. What puts kids more at risk? Also Jimmy, you remember I mean. It wasn't until just over the last several weeks that we really started to notice this here in the United States and the UK we don't see much of this in Asia for some reason, so what exactly is making this more common in this part of the world versus the other part of the world? Why did it take longer? Why? Why did it comes sort of delayed? These are answers that people are still sort of looking for Jim. Very important information and we're looking for answers that is absolutely correct or Dr Sanjay Gupta and Dr a she shot. Thank you very much. We appreciate it coming up. President Trump's stokes racial divisions tweet, but the White House claims he didn't hear the white supremacist message in its, plus how a shortage of contact razors preventing states from controlling the spread of the corona virus. Tonight exclusively report from C. N. N.'s Carl Bernstein. According to sources familiar with hundreds of highly classified phone calls with foreign leaders, president trump was so repeatedly unprepared, outplayed by adversaries and hostile toward traditional allies that several senior US officials concluded the president himself posed a danger to national security sources say the calls convinced, former top trump deputies, including national security advisers, H R McMaster and John. Bolton Defense Secretary James Mattis Secretary of state. Rex Tillerson and chief of. Of Staff John, Kelly set Kelly that the president was delusional in several sources, noted he often pursued goals aligned with his own agenda rather than the National Interests Carl Bernstein joins us now with more on this Sh- jaw-dropping new report and Carl you write that one source said these calls were such an abomination. That members of Congress do the content. Even Republicans would not have confidence in the president. What were his calls with Russian President Vladimir Putin light. When it's closed with Putin. He was almost slavishly seeking. Putin's approval, trying to prop himself up trump as a great businessman. Demeaning his predecessors, the George, Bush and Barack Obama in foul terms, vulgar language, calling them incompetent. But, now that he trump was there that they could deal directly, but the overall tenor of the calls as well as the specifics of them show the president of the United States in terms of allies, bullying them, almost sadistically, dealing with women on the call namely Angle Merkel's German Chancellor Theresa. May the Prime Minister of Great Britain, those calls with those women are described in almost sadistic terms by the sources spokesman for the German Embassy. Here, in the United States confirmed that those calls are very aggressive and problematic. So, what we have! Is the president very much like we saw, the sources said in Corona virus briefings out of Control Fat. Facts be damned attacking people. All about himself, but also unable to handle the most basic national security matters the president of the United States is expected to handle competently. With foreign leaders and it's consistent with the behavior. We've seen throughout this presidency crawl. You report that Turkish President Air to Juan enjoys an almost direct line and president trump calling the White House during one period at least twice a week. What was aired on? I didn't just go the White House he would find trump on the golf course and get through to them because trump had given standing orders, that wine should be put through which was to the consternation. National security aides. Because you're supposed to ordinary presidencies. The president is briefed by his aides otheir in the room with him when he takes calls to foreign leaders to make sure that there's no foul up. It's understood that the leaders on the other side of their security services are recording these calls, and that's one of the problems especially to calls with air to one, and with Putin to the the Russians, and the Turks have these actual calls in which the president's conduct. Is really open to question and if they were ever heard, I'm told it would really caused great consternation. To anyone when? Who who earned them, but in Oregon space, it was thought of national security aides that somehow the Turkey security services had found out the president's schedule. When earn one could get through to him? And of course, the most grievous thing that I was told on almost all of the calls are those discussions having to do with the United States pulling forces out of Syria at earn wines, urging thereby setting up situation where our allies, the Kurds are allies in Iraq in Syria would be subject to slaughter buyer. WHO's? After the Kurds for all of his time. As the Turkish leaders star down. Between. The Kurds in all the other Turkish people. and this was something warmer. Putin wanted is one of the sources said. Trump gave away the store Syria. Partly on these phone calls with aired one and Carl, but the president wasn't always so differential and this is an important part of your store. You write that trump's calls with female leaders were near sadistic quote near Sadistic. He demeaned and denigrated them, according to reporting, telling UK Prime Minister Theresa May. She was weak and German Chancellor Angela Merkel that she was stupid of what was the reaction on the other side. In Theresa May's tastes. According to the sources that I spoke with she was very flustered. She was agitated. She was really very difficult for her to handle the call and in fact, the intimidation that was. Put forth in the call by trump was intended. It was intended to shake her up because the president was theory is. That the Brits the racist May Theresa May's plans for Brexit. Not the same because he wanted called her week, he called spineless. And also the whole question of our closest allies not pay a larger share of NATO and other defense dues. has preoccupied the president. And with some justification certainly. A larger share probably should be paid by the allies, but in these calls. He raises the question with the allies including mccrone. Hoodoo Theresa, May and Michael in such vicious personal terms to the exclusion of the more important larger questions of the Western alliance human rights. Defense all of the questions health. That are so important to to these. Advisers been allies the seventy five years, and instead he has this grievance about. Paying their fair share, and he becomes like a whipping boy, and somebody put it, but especially with the women. Really abusive to these two women in these calls why it's incredible reporting Karl, and we encourage everybody to check it out on our website Carl. Bernstein legendary reporter with more terrific reporting on the trump presidency Karl. Thank you very much. Appreciate it and coming up. To be with you. The desperate need for more contact tracers as corona virus, pandemic spreads across the US plus hospitals in Houston, straining under a surge of patients as the Texas governor warns of what he calls a swift and very dangerous turn in the pandemic. And we continue to get lots of questions about the coronavirus pandemic, so CNN chief medical correspondent. Sanjay Gupta Dr Sanjay Gupta's back with us to provide some. Answers and Sanjay I know wearing a mask of protects people from me I. Have Mine Right here But does it also protect me too I mean this is something that a lot of people don't seem to get it. It can protect you as well. Yeah, this is a critical point and you know. Ambassador burks sort of made reference to this over the weekend, and the has said that they're going to release more specific data around this, but the answer is yes. I think Jim to your point. We don't know how much the end ninety five fitted mass. That's a kind of mass, and I'll wear if I'm going into a respiratory environment in the hospital. That's the one that's going to provide the most protection to the user. These cloth masks provide provide a lot of protection in terms of not getting the virus out into the environment, but as you say probably provide some protection to the user as well still trying to learn that what I can tell you, though Jim is on a macro scale, you look at countries around the world that have had the lowest rates of disinfection. Many of them are mask wearing countries, so the masks decrease the transmission significantly. And and make a huge difference overall for a big community or the country as a whole, and here's another question. We get a lot, Sanjay. I am trying to make some plans Is it okay to in a hotel? I was over in Arizona. Last week on an assignment had to stay in a hotel and people may be concerned about that whether it's safe. Obviously you try to make save as possible. What do you have to say about that? What do you think? Here's what I would say. The the basics apply I think the it can be safe to stay in a hotel. The biggest risk is really still the contact with other people. So you know you WANNA. Maintain your physical distance. You WanNa maintain you know where the mask if you can indoors even if you can't maintain that physical distance in particular. There's this saying it says it's more people, not porcelain that's spread the virus, so we do worry about surfaces disinfect if you can surfaces I carry wipes with me now, Jim. This is becoming thing that people carry around if they can but for the most part you're. Your biggest risk is going to come from other people indoors worse than outdoors. So if you're standing in line if you're waiting for the elevator, try and maintain that distance where a mask and that'll go a long way. Now. That's right. There's no substitute for social distancing. Have to do that as well as the mass all right Dr Sanjay Gupta. Thank you so much coming up. We're states. Pause or roll reopening as the coronavirus pandemic worsens in the US.

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Awaiting last major court filing in Paul Manafort case as DOJ says final Mueller report not expected next week; Musician R. Kelly charged with sexual abuse of minors; NY Times: Trump's ex-attorney Michael Cohen gave prosecutors new info on Trump family bu

"Happening now breaking news waiting day. The Justice department now says the Muller report won't come next week. While the president is away in Vietnam. But we are standing by for Muller's Brousseau for filing all Manafort, which could come at any moment with new details on Russia, contests singer indicted. After decades of accusations are Kelly now faces ten counts of criminal sexual abuse. Three of the cases involve minors. Chicago. Police say a warrant has been issued for Kelly's arrest a bail. Hearing is set for tomorrow patriots owner charged police in Florida say New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft is being charged with soliciting someone to commit prostitution after a raid on a day spa. Police say more than twenty people have been charged all of them fought on video and North Korean brutality. Just days ahead of President Trump's second summit with Kim Jang North Korean defectors revealing gruesome. New details about what they portray the dictator's reign of terror. So why is the Trump administration considering softening its demands, I'm wolf Blitzer? You're in the situation room. This is N. Breaking new racy news at any moment, special Gaza, Robert Muller's to release his final big for filing in the case against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, a sentencing memo, which could reveal new key details manafort's Russia context at the same time, New York. Prosecutors are reportedly building a separate case against Manafort, which could mean that he'd served prison time, even if the president were department adjusted about an official now says baller is not expected to deliver his report to the attorney general next week. Also, breaking the musician R Kelly has been indicted on ten counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse involving four alleged victims three of them minors cases span more than a decade a bond hearing has been set for Kelly in Chicago tomorrow auspey Senator mazy run of the judiciary committee and our correspondents analysts. They will have full coverage of the day's top. Stories. Let's begin though with our crime and Justice reporters and our political reporter Sara Murray. Sara, what's the latest report? You're getting on when the Muller report will be finished. And what does the timing dependent but wealthy previously said if this report com early as next week? Now, a Justice department official says it's not likely to be finished next week part of the issue. Of course wolf is that the president is going to be traveling overseas. And they don't wanna do anything could interfere with the president's diplomatic efforts. That's part of the timing situation here. Now, it could still come anytime in the next few weeks. The attorney general Bill bar has to decide what he wants to make available to congress, and that's gonna be a court, of course, in a Goshi action within the Justice department, and we've already seen concerned from democratic lawmakers who believe that they're not gonna get enough information. They're going to get a watered down version, and they're pushing the Justice department to make the entire Muller report public that seems unlikely but wolf there have been many twists in this investigation. So you never know what are you hearing? Yes. I think one of the key issues. Here is the timing perhaps around the president's trip. We had been hearing for weeks that this was expected to come down. They were pretty much done. The Muller team was essentially wrapped up and ready to submit their report to the attorney general today. A Justice officials told Laura Jarrett that that's now not the case. This is not going to be delivered next week. But they don't tell us exactly when it's going to be delivered. But I think they just wanted to set some expectations for all of us. In addition to the final Muller report on the Russia investigation that Muller will hand over to the new attorney general Bill bar. There's a separate Muller statement that we're anticipating coming forward right now in the sentencing of the former Trump campaign chairman, Paul Manafort that could be released any moment at any moment. We are expecting the special counsel team to file this will be the sensing memo that is going to judge that is going to be sentencing. Paul Manfred here in Washington, Washington DC. Amy Berman Jackson that is going to contain some information that we may not have known ready. There will be reductions we're told. But a lot of what we have seen in the poll Manford case has been out there ready. There may be some new threads, certainly. And that's what we're waiting for. Now. Now, this is an important part of the poll Manfred case, obviously, it will be perhaps the last time that we see significant filing in the Muller investigation. So we'll see we're certainly hoping to learn some new information that he's almost seventy years old Manafort, he could faith many many years in prison, maybe the rest of his life. But their New York prosecutors are not taking any chances right now. They wanna separately move against Manafort in case, the president what we're to pardon Manafort, if they were convicted of primes in New York, the presidential pardon would mean any one of the lingering questions around Paul manafort's case and some of his bizarre behavior throughout his case. And then sort of botched cooperation with the special counsel was whether he was always sort of. Angling for a pardon in all of this. And now, we're learning through Bloomberg news and some other reports that that their prosecutors in New York, flew laying groundwork for separate cases in case. The president does pardon Paul Manafort, these are cases that have to do with his taxes. Now normally you can't face double jeopardy, but there could be a sort of loo full for this in New York, and exception for tax related cases. So we'll say it's a little bit odd for this information to be coming out to find out. The prosecutors may have a case waiting in the wings. Just in case someone inside profiles, Paul Manafort gets pardoned, but you know, wolf it's been a crazy investigation. So probably. There's no doubt about that. Guys. Good reporting. Thank you very much Murray. And Shimon pro Meanwhile, President Trump is talking tough about the Miller report. Let's go to our White House correspondent Caitlyn college. She has the very latest Caitlyn. Well, today, the president said he hadn't discussed the end of the molar investigation with the attorney general Bill bar yet. But he said he's looking forward to reading Robert Muller's report. And that he feels it will be an honest report if wolf it shows that there was no collusion between his campaign and Russia. Washington is bracing tonight as both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue await Robert Muller's. Final report. I guess talking about President Trump's sounding confident today that the special counsel's investigation will clear him. There was no collusion. There was no obstruction those no anything. So that's the nice part. There was no phone calls. No, nothing. Everybody knows. It's a ho. So I look forward to seeing the report if it's an honest report, it will say that. If it's not an honest report at one, eight Justice department official briefed on the plans telling CNN that at the moment Muller is not expected to deliver the report next week while the president is in Vietnam for his second summit with North Korean dictator, Kim Jong UN but sources tell C N N attorney general Bill bar is preparing to announce that the investigation is over after that, it will be up to him to decide how much congress, and the public sees is up to Muller with the content is and it's up to the attorney general what the summary is that is presented to congress. Aides. Insist Trump is more focused on his upcoming summit than the report. I think we're always prepared for a number of things that come at us. But right now, our focus is not on the mall report. But it's. On doing our jobs, but his Twitter feed says otherwise Trump tweeting today that the witch hunt is so bad for our country and must end and in the Oval Office today. Trump who has pledged to fight human trafficking commenting on his billionaire friend and New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft after he was charged with soliciting prostitution as part of a human trafficking sting surprised to see it. He's proclaimed his innocence totally and but I I the price to see him. In the meantime, the president's attention is also focused on the twenty twenty candidate field. New reporting from CNN shows Trump is eager to play disruptive role in the democratic primary. And in the words of one advisor his team is looking for ways to cause chaos from the left and right one Republican who speaks to him often, tell CNN the president wants to get into the game people may not him in terms of running the government, but he gets the campaign and can't wait to. Get started Trump who is closely watched Democrats entering the race has asked aids in recent days for political intelligence on Joe Biden, he's basically a one percent guy. He's week. We'll see what happens with him. So above all wolf, the president has become increasingly fixated on that democratic primary. It's become a regular subject of discussion here at the White House with allies advisers and even Republican lawmakers and now the president is getting regular briefings from his twenty twenty campaign manager. So we can stay up to date on all of it. Wolf. Caitlyn? Thank you, Kaitlyn. Call us at the White House. Joining us now democratic Senator amazing Geraldo Hawaii, she's a member of both of judiciary on the armed services committees. Senator thanks so much for joining us. And as you just heard we're awaiting momentarily key filing in the special counsel's investigation. Paul manafort's sentencing memo by Robert Muller's teams do by midnight. But we're told us coming fairly soon. What are you looking for in that new document? I'm sure that because the deal that manifests struck with the special counsel is off it will probably be a very strong sentencing memo, and of course, as reported by you, and the others that the New York DA and the AG of New York already standing by preparing their cases against him. Casey Manafort gets a pardon. So I think metaphor is in a lot of trouble. Hatton county, New York county district attorney Cyrus Vance. He's preparing separate separate charges in case there were to be a presidential pardon. We're also learning about these these prosecutors in New York, they're doing this because they fear the president could pardon could pardon Manafort, do you believe that the president would seriously consider pardoning metaphor? If the president thought that pardoning Manafort would somehow save him, I think he'd do it. Because as I've emissions so many times, president cares about two things protecting himself and money. So he thinks that it will help him to pardon Manafort, and that's why it is very wise for the New York DA as well as the New York AG to be San ready to go after Manafort in case apart in comes through precisely what they're doing. We're told right now. Meanwhile, department of Justice official tell CNN that Muller is not expected to deliver his final report to the new attorney general next week. Do you think this delay is a sign that Muller is still working on the report or the Justice department wants to wait until the president returns from his summit with Kim Jong UN Vietnam. I have such confidence and Muller that whatever he is doing as totally focused and appropriate. And so we will get them all the report when he gives it am I hope and expansion is that our new attorney general will release the report to the public is all of course, to congress, you press that is not certain as you as, you know, during his confirmation hearings, you press Bill bar, the new attorney general to provide details on what he plans to do with the Muller report. Let me play this clip. Testified that you'd like to make as much of the what will I can say right now. Well, I can say right now is my goal and intent is to get as much information out as I can inconsistent with the regulation. Are you satisfied with that answer from the attorney general? Of course, not he gave himself a lot of wiggle room to not provide the kind of disclosure and information that at this point the public should have. So I think he was very reassuring to the president. He very much was cognizant that the president wanted to hear certain things from bar and at the same time bar would not come right out and say, no, he's he's not going to do it to try to sway JR. Any concerns that the democratic members of the judiciary committee head, but by him, not in my view coming forward with a pretty clear answers. I think it just gave us more cause for concern. How will you respond? If you're not pleased with the attorney general's level of transparency will you go ahead and subpoena Muller to come ahead and testify before congress. Well, the thing is that we do not control our ability to issue subpoenas. But on the other hand the house does. And so I think they house committees relevant committees will be very interested in having them all the report disclosed to the public. I'm pretty sure that the three chairs the oversight chair. That's Elijah Cummings. The judiciary chair Jerry Nadler as well as Adam chef of Intel will be very interested in questioning bar as to why the report is not being made public European. We write the Democrats majority in the house, so they have subpoena power. The Democrats are in the minority in the Senate, and they don't have subpoena power, the Republican majority. Does if a sitting president, though, certainly raise our voices. I know you'll raise your voices. Let's voices. That's that's important, but subpoena power clearly is much more important. If a sitting president can't be indicted, and that's the Justice department guideline and Justice department other just apartment guideline is that prosecutors shouldn't share damaging information about unindicted individuals. Are you concerned about Muller's ability to share his findings whatever they may be about the president? That could happen. Although we should just look at the mullahs report in the context of his charge. And there are a lot of other investigations that are are happening with a southern district of New York with the other US attorney's offices. There are other aspects to what is going on with the Trump operation his foundation, any violations of campaign spending laws. So all the mullahs report may be what it is that these other investigations must continue. And I think they will as long as that they are not interfered with by the new attorney general. Rono? Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you up. Next, more breaking news. We're late in the final court filing. A special counsel's case against Paul Manafort and criminal sex abuse. Charges are filed against the vision are Kelly while New England Patriots under Robert Kraft is being charged with soliciting prostitution. A book dotcom vacation includes a beautiful all inclusive beach resort with all meals, all drinks, including alcohol activities taxes. 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And Nick there are four victims and the alleged crime span what more than a decade update our viewers on the latest. Absolutely wolf. There are ten counts of aggravated sexual abuse. Three of those victims. We are told were under the age of seventeen when these acts allegedly took place and a warrant is for our Kelly's rest, we do not know his whereabouts at this precise moment, but a bond hearing has been scheduled for him tomorrow lunchtime here in Chicago. Now, we heard all of this from the Cook County state's attorney Kimberly FOX earned their own. She just read the charges would not take questions. We've also just heard from Michael Abernathy. Now, I've Nazi provided FOX with a video that he says shows are Kelly having sexual relations with a fourteen year old girl I've teaches detailed what he says on that tape. He says that a number of times ten times. In fact, it is referred the age of that young woman is referred to. And she is fourteen have an auntie claims. The number of times are Kelly is addressed as daddy by this young woman, as I say, ten kinds wolf each of them could carry up to seven years in prison right now are Kelly's whereabouts unknown. But the charges we know and Johnson claims that he knows of two more videos that show our Kelly involved in illegal sexual acts. He says he has one of those tapes ready, and he is in the process of obtaining the other. He will then turn them over to Cook County, and you know, we are just waiting to see what happens to our Kelly wit. Whether he turns himself in whether his arrested with that bond hearing scheduled tomorrow afternoon, we'll fan Thais for watch it all closely, Nick Wotton, Chicago also tonight. We're getting new details about the sex allegations against Robert Kraft, the owner of the Super Bowl champion New England Patriots. If the result of a prostitution sting operation. Craft denies any wrongdoing. Let's go to our national first Bonner Jason Carroll. Jason what is craft being charged with? Well, he's facing a number of charges here wolf, and as you said through a spokesman he is denying the allegations. But police in Jupiter Florida say they have the proof and part of it. They say is on camera the investigation into allegations of sex trafficking took place over several months and involve several law enforcement agencies, including the department of homeland security, the focus the orchids of Asia day spa. It's located in a strip mall down there and Jupiter. Florida. Police raided it and charge twenty five men identified as John's for allegedly taking part in a legal activity. Investigators say they have videos that allegedly show craft engaged in what they characterized as paid acts. They say that craft visited the spa on more than two occasions. Police charge him with two counts of soliciting another for prostitution a misdemeanor. A spokesman for the. Seven year old releasing a statement saying in part that we category denied that Mr. craft engaged in any illegal activity. In addition to being owner of the New England Patriots craft has also friend of the president. He's a frequent visitor Tamara Lago. Trump calling this situation late today. Very sad. In addition to the criminal charges. There are questions now about what the NFL's going to do about this. How are they going to respond? Well, according to their policy book will owners are held to a higher standard. And so he might be subject, then two more some type of significant disciplined when these type of violations occur. We'll stay in touch with you and watch this unfold as well Jason Carroll reporting. Thank you are legal in our political experts. They are here. We're going to discuss all the breaking news right after this. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. 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As soon as it comes in also, breaking the New York Times just reporting right now, the President Trump's former attorney and fixer Michael Cohen met with federal prosecutors Manhattan last month time says Cohen offered information about possible irregularities within the president's family business in about a donor to his inaugural committee. Let's bring in our political legal experts talk about the locations of all of this and Susan Hennessy. This New York Times report, which all of us have now read suggests that the US attorney for the southern district of New York in Manhattan now going to reckless after the Trump business empire that Michael Cohen who spent ten years working for Donald Trump as a lawyer and fixer as already been questioned. I think this one thing reveals why? Exactly individuals close to the president are so incredibly concerned about the southern district of New York probe. They believed that it might actually represent more of a risk of the president. Then the Muller pro recall that they don't have any kind of jurisdictional limit here. Now, Michael Cohen doesn't have a formal cooperation agreement but prosecutors can actually recommend reduce jail funded within one year of his sentencing. So centrally he has a really really strong incentive now to cooperate as much as possible, absolutely everything. He knows it is interesting that every time sort of prosecutors look under a new rock they appeared to find a brand new set of possible crimes. Now, we're hearing that there's some question about insurance claims this is this is a brand new thing on the table. I think ultimately this really raises the political importance in the potential of Michael Coen's public testimony. He has said from the beginning. But he has a story to tell he clearly believes the story is going to be incredibly damaging to the president. And so I do think that it's going to be really really important to see what is he willing to say? Under oath, and before the American people about Donald Trump system that will be wedge. They Gloria starting at ten AM. When Michael cone does appear before the house oversight committee and presumably they're going to ask them about this development. Sure. I look I mean, this this goes into the whole broader aspects of the Trump organization Susan was saying, and I think this could the president's family including the presence family, including potentially the president. We don't know. But if Michael Cohen is talking about according to the times potentially irregular insurance claims if he was talking to them about the nine hundred thousand dollar donation to they nargile committee by Mr. berry, according to the times, then these are things that that prosecutors want to know about we know that they're investigating inaugural committee. And we know that Michael Cohen has been on the inside of the Trump or for more than a decade and CNN as you'll recall was the first to report that prosecutors wanted to interview people who. Worked for the Trump organization. So now, we know exactly exactly what they're pursuing. And we know that Michael Cohen is such an important link in all of this. Yes, his credibility will be questioned Schorr, but he has said publicly I have a story to tell. I'm not going to be the villain here anymore. I want to set the record straight with one quick comment on this. The president ordered told us this. He's not a great poker player. He played his hand already look at his Twitter feed. How many times has he gone after campaign people Manafort gates, Flynn, he Flynn was the first cooperative? The number of times that the president has gone after Flynn I could probably count on one hand how many times has gone after Cohen countless times. What's the difference between Manafort gates, Flynn and Cohen Manafort gates, Flynn know about the campaign in Russia. Not so much Cohen knows about money. I think the presence worried because he knows he's got a Billy on this issue. And he told us. You remember that interview last year, the president told the New York Times going after his family or his business that would cross Joey a red line while it wouldn't cross a red line and as much as remember the special counsel has a very specific mandate relating to and dealing with Russia and collusion southern district. Does not their mandate is to investigate criminal activity in the event that this criminal activity that becomes problematic, but something very important, and that's corroboration. The White House will savage Cohen as they have on the issue of his incentive and bias to lie as Susan mentioned, right because of substantial assistance within one year of your sentencing if you assist enough and if you're on team America, and you do it right. His the carrot has the stick will do good things for you. And we're going to reduce your set because you're cooperating, but it's more than that wolf in the event that Cohen is able to give reliable information to the southern district who's not bothered by a mandate about Russia. They're bothered by mandate about a crime. Whether it involves your family. Or not if it's in this district, we're going to root it out and find it. And so in the event that cone gives them information and the southern district is able to get information. That's ubstantially it's corroborates and otherwise supports Coen saying that could lead them to this other fruit, and that can represent problems for the president of the United States. We're legal headaches. No for the president and his family, potentially very significant. You know, Susan, Bloomberg has been reporting, and you've seen these reports federal that the state prosecutors in New York in the district of Manhattan are preparing charges against Paul Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman in case for some reason, the president were to pardon him, a presidential pardon doesn't affect those who have been charged and convicted local or state crimes that's pretty unusual to see this degree of sort of leaking out of law enforcement. The these reports don't just describe that. The prosecutors are sort of thinking about this set of backup charges, but it also shows quite a bit on what they're actually thinking about going after him. And so these really are relatively harmful leaks. Now, there might be a double jeopardy issues of the laws are pretty complex in terms of how they relate between between the state and federal government. You know that said I do think that we're seeing a little bit of a of a lack of discipline loosening as the Muller investigation potentially heads into the home stretch. We are seeing a lot of leaks of other investigations rates for the southern district. And now the New York district district attorney's office, but also sort of a flurry of leaks about the special counsel's office. Now, we've seen a lot of reporting. But most of that has come from defense attorneys and people that special counsel offices interviewed. Now, we see DOJ not just leaking a lot about whether or not the special counsel is about to. Handovers report to Bill bar, but also not getting it story straight as today. Right to walk that back, right? Clearly, the district attorney in New York. Thanks, a presidential pardon of Manafort is possible. But do you think well, the president has called Paul Manafort, a very brave man or words to that effect brave being the important part of it? He has said publicly he thinks that he's been treated badly. And while they were not particularly close during the campaign. I think that the president is watch what Paul Manafort has gone through and feels like he hasn't betrayed him in any in any way, shape or form. And so it is completely possible that the president could pardon. He has said various occasions. I didn't take that off the table. So we we just we just have no idea. I think what they're saying in New York as well. You may have thirty over that. But you don't have any thirty so far as the state is concerned legal headaches beyond beyond Robert Muller and. Special counsel investigation. Everybody stand by much more on all the breaking news right after this. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. Our political of legal experts. Enjoy Jackson, what do we know about this case involving Robert Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots while we certainly know that he's been otherwise or is being charged with solicitation of a prostitute. That's a misdemeanor offense punishable by up to a year in jail community service component of a hundred hours. You know, it's not the case of the century the larger question, and obviously it's represented embarrassment for him. He'll have some explaining to do eleven I'm explained to do in addition to criminally with his team, etc. The lodger issue is the human trafficking component of this. And certainly he lends a major face. The underlying issue is that he was involved in a situation with the women were enslaved and very well at part of that Uman trafficking. And so to the extent that the president seems to go on and on and on about union, human, trafficking and immigration. I'm just wondering what he would have to say as it relates to this specific instance, where Robert Kraft is apparently caught on video is the understanding involve. A situation involving prostitution. Yeah. This Cuban trafficking aspects isn't very serious. The president simply said, it's very sad. I was very surprised to see it. He's proclaimed his innocence, totally. But I'm very surprised to see seen the president do this playbook before even as recently as yesterday in which whenever his own labor secretary, Alex Kosta is accused of helping cover up really another set of horrific sex crimes against children by Jeffrey. Epstein the president basically, basically said, well, that's too complicated. And I'm you know, he's still on the job as of today. Now, what we've seen is that the president is perfectly. Happy to offer these images of of sex trafficking victims being smuggled over the border as part of the case for his border wall. But he defends ROY Moore defends Brett cavenaugh he defended Bill Riley, and Roger Ailes again. And again, whenever it's his buddies that are accused of these things, you know, the president is more than happy to defend these people. And so I do think that it reveals sort of just the the blatant hypocrisy on the fact that the president doesn't really appear to care about victims cursive care about. Himself and sort of his own political personal political advantage and defending his friends. Did you went away? I was just going to. I mean, I don't understand the confusion here by the the president paid for sex. If I were him I'd be saying how did Robert Kraft get also cheap? I mean, let's be serious federal documents indicate that he was in with the National Enquirer saying, we're going to pay off a human being why had sex with and to make sure she doesn't speak. So I can see where the presence coming from. He's saying I suspect from his optic. I paid one hundred thirty K this guy paid whatever he did. I mean, I don't wanna be crude about this. But the president himself did something similar he paid a human being for sex now agree with Joey the question here is not payment for sex. I think the real question is human trafficking. But the president in some ways is not defensible on this issue. He's paid himself. And we know it. Well, he was paying the hundred thirty thousand dollars to stormy Jaas hush money to to cover it up at one hundred fifty thousand arguing your hush money. Sex with. I mean, I don't buy this. He could pay me I didn't have sex with him. He didn't give me one hundred thirty thousand bucks. I mean, I think we know what happened, but I to get back to the serious point. Joy nailed it serious point here is about human trafficking. It's not whether a wealthy human being paid for sex. That happens every day in America, very quickly. Let's talk about twenty twenty the president seems to be obsessed right now with what the democrat the democratic presidential candidates are up to base that everything. We're hearing Zeleny. Caitlyn Collins over at the White House has done some great reporting for us. And now they're point is that the president may not be so obsessed with governing as he is with running for reelection. And he's been watching Democrats. I'm sure he'll watch your town hall on Monday night. Well, and he with Bernie Sanders. He will he's interested in Democrats. And he asked for research on Joe Biden, for example, you know, this is a president who was already planning on winning in twenty twenty. He's got a he's got a couple of things. Gotta get through before he gets to that. But that is his preoccupation right now obsessed right now with what's going on. According to those who know him very very well, everybody. Stick around the port note to our viewers once again picture to join me Monday night when I moderate our next CNN presidential town hall. It will be live with Senator Bernie Sanders right here in Washington. Monday night. Eight pm eastern only on CNN coming up shocking. New details about how North Korea's brutal dictator Kim. Jon moon is dealing with critics of his outreach to President Trump. The right sheets can take your sleep and your style to the next level with Boll and branch. The upgrade has never been more affordable. Every set is crafted from one hundred percent organic cotton. They get softer and softer over time. That's why they have thousands of five star reviews and even three US presidents have Boll and branch sheets. Try them for thirty nights. And if you don't love them, send them back for a full refund. Go to bollandbranch dot com today for fifty dollars off your first set of sheets, plus free shipping with promo code CNN to spelled B O L L, andbranch dot com. That's Boll and branch dot com. Promo code CNN too. More breaking news just days before President Trump hoses? Second summit with North Korea's Kim Jong Hoon. Multiple officials say the administration is considering softening its demands for a full accounting of North Korea's nuclear and missile programs before the United States makes any concessions that comes as a new report reveals some Bruce of deep gruesome details about what defectors portrays the dictator's reign of terror. Brian Todd has been looking into all of this forest. Bryant what are you learning? We'll just days before this summit. We're getting new details now on just how Kim Jong UN's regime eliminates its internal enemies the stories from defectors are graphic and jarring revealing methods of execution designed to instill fear and paranoia. Kim Jong Wu. The man President Trump will shake hands with again at a summit next week. Who he now calls chairman Kim, I asked German Kim. Would it be possible to do that? And who the president is counting on to get rid of his nuclear weapons tonight faces new allegations of especially grotesque brutality against his own people stories of executions and torture detail by those who once lived under the regime before fleeing can chill. Want says he defected after spending ten years in concentration camp? Day says witnesses told him that at one execution in two thousand thirteen two men closely tied to Kim Jong UN's uncle Jang song tech who the dictator distrusted were brought in front of a firing squad of eight antiaircraft guns. The men the defector says had lumps of iron stuffed into their mouths. He says Kim's uncle was forced to watch his colleagues murder between highlights out the fire against these two people, and these two people instantly like just disappeared in all the blood. It poured into Jang sung Tech's face who was forced to witness them. Fainted Kim's uncle would himself be executed later that year also allegedly with an anti-aircraft gun the accounts come as part of a new report released today by the North Korea strategy center an organization led by carrying the group, which includes defectors spotlights human rights issues. The group says it interviewed several current and former North Korean officials Kang says his group was also told about the execution of. A top police official named owes sang-hyon also close to Kim's uncle was on Kim Jong especially hated him. So Kim Jong personally ordered him to be executed by using a flame thrower. Mr. oh was burned alive without even using the machine guns. And then after he was burned alive the tanks around him kind of crushed him. The reason for pulverizing their bodies human rights observers say Kim believe they weren't good enough to be buried on North Korean soil. These senior officials were executed by z p four antiaircraft gun or flaying throw it are. They night this fundamental right of leaving behind a body for the family can says another official and his mistress were executed by being stripped naked and mauled by a pack of dogs. This all came. This group says on the personal orders of a man who President Trump has consistently expressed admiration for and then we fell in love. Now, really should President Trump be shaking Kim Jong hand calling him chairman Kim meeting with him professing his love for him. When all indications show that this is still murderous dictator twins on President Trump. Don't take this bloody man's hands. A meeting him in Vietnam. Saying good things he's a murderer very low signal to the world. The Kim regime has repeatedly denied allegations of committing human rights atrocities inside North Korea now is President Trump going to discuss these alleged executions with Kim Jong Hoon when he meets him in Vietnam next week, we reached out to the White House the State Department and US intelligence about that. None of them would comment on any of that, nor would they respond to this latest report wolf, and Brian the orders for these executions. You're also hearing that this is something Kim's family takes part in as well as that. Right. That's right wolf, this new report says one person who was instrumental in ordering these executions is Kim Jong UN's younger sister. Kim Kimyo John. She is often presented, of course, as the soft face of this regime, but the report says she and her brother collaborate very closely in ordering these very grotesque executions Brian Todd reporting for us, Brian. Thank you coming up. The breaking news. The Justice department now says the Muller report won't come next week. While the president is away in Vietnam meeting with Kim Jong Hoon, but we are standing by for Robert Muller's crucial court filing on Paul Manafort, which could come at any moment. Also, breaking the New York Times. Just now reporting the President Trump's former attorney Michael Cohen met with federal prosecutors in New York offer information about possible irregularities within the president's family. Hey, Sekou Smith here from the hang time podcast. Join me, and my main man John human every week as we break down, the latest, NBA, news and storylines with. Yes. From around the league, we should've subscribe to NBA hang time on apple podcasts. Spotify an NBA dot com slash podcast for new episodes every Monday and Thursday this season.

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Rushmore were more than seven thousand people are expected to attend a holiday event tonight, but with no social distancing and masks optional this comes as the US set another record for new corona virus, cases, fifty, two, thousand in a single day, and thirty six states, or now suffering surges of new infections president trump. Trump silent on all of this, but we're learning. He continues to Stoke. Culture wars intends to do so tonight. A campaign source familiar with the speech says the president will focus in part on efforts to quote. Tear down our history. We begin with the latest on the pandemic C. N. national correspondent Jason Carroll is in New York for US Jason Extreme concern about the spread of the virus. This holiday weekend yet. Jim. No matter how you look at it every day this week. There's been some sort of record set. In Florida, or Texas or Arizona and now the holiday weekend is upon us, and that has health officials especially uneasy. Fireworks Shows Parades and beach barbecues canceled from coast to coast over concerns. The holiday weekend could fuel a surge in new corona virus cases. Florida, now leads the nation in the average number of new reported covid nineteen cases per day. The state announced nine thousand, four, hundred eighty eight new cases, Friday the numbers are going up in the hospital. The ICU beds are filling up and it's requiring a lot of work and a lot of effort to move patients around to make spot for the new patients whether covert or not only the state's youngest victim and living year old boy from Miami. Miami Dade County died from covid nineteen complications tonight at ten PM curfew goes into effect countywide to discourage holiday goers from heading out. There's nothing more American than making a sacrifice by staying home to keep a family member, said a neighbor saved for a stranger Saif Martin early Friday crowds had already started gathering on this beach on the other side of Florida in clearwater cases are on the rise in thirty six states, and the US hit another record Thursday more than fifty thousand cases across the country in a single day. The Nation's top infectious disease expert says there isn't just one. One event behind the surge, but it's very difficult to say that this particular demonstration or that particular rally or that particular holiday at a beach did it, but something happened to make the spike go way up like that health officials, being reported hospitalizations in California, were singing and chanting in that state is banned at houses of worship. The concerns that the virus will be transmitted through infected exhaled droplets while in Texas masks are mandated in more than two thirds of the counties in the state. The governor who critics say was slow to make the move now says if people gather on fourth. Fourth of July the same way they did immemorial day it is going to lead to massive increase in the number of people testing positive, the number of people who will be hospitalized, and it could lead once again to an increase in the number of people who lose their lives, and despite having once downplayed the importance of wearing a mask, the country surgeon general says it's imperative rate. If you want college football in the fall, young people leave where face covering won't prom next year. Please where a face covering it can prevent a symptomatic spread and help us overcome this this virus. And Jim as you recall right after the Memorial Day weekend. health officials saw a spike in Kobe one thousand nine cases. They're hoping that people who've learned lessons. Since then there have been more restrictions put in place since then more closures, but ultimately what they say, it's going to take our people basically heating the advice of health officials, wearing those masks practicing social distancing Jim CNN's Jason Carroll. Thank you very much. Let's get more on the crisis in California where C. N. N.'s Dan. Simon is working that part of the story for US Daniel Santa Monica where beaches are closed. What are you seeing there? Hijab has a picture perfect day. Temperatures in the mid seventies, and not a ton of people here, the beaches are closed in Los. Angeles, Orange and Ventura counties. It will be up to the individual jurisdictions to enforce the closures, but as long as you don't have a ton of people out here. I doubt you'll see really anybody. Get any citations. Of course all this comes amid the surging amount of cases that we've been sitting in California in Los. Angeles County one out of a hundred and forty. People are said to be infectious next week Mayor Eric. Garcetti says that could go up to one out of seventy people meantime Brad Spielberg chief medical officer for La County USC. Medical Center says ICU beds are becoming saturated take. We were seeing sort of ten, maybe fifteen new patients per day that were positive coming to our emergency room. That number now is typically twenty to twenty five per day at at that rate. If that rate continues to increase, we will run out of ICU beds in particular. And that's why you're seeing this. Push to try to get people to wear their masks. We're now seeing cities within California issuing fines to people who get caught without wearing their masks in west, Hollywood if you get taught three hundred dollar, fine and Santa Monica the third time if if you get caught three times five hundred dollars, so we're talking about some serious money here, so they're trying to get folks really to wear those masks, and and of course we saw governor newsom issue a PSA very powerful encouraging people to wear their face coverings Jemele. Jemele said it back to you all right. Let's hope they get their attention. CNN's Dan Simon thank you very much. Let's get more on all of this. With ABC meteorologist and CNN medical analyst, Dr Larry Brilliant and CNN senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen Elizabeth. Let me go to you. First The country hit another record high in new cases yesterday. How dangerous is that situation? Heading into this holiday weekend? It feels like Memorial Day weekend all over again and one expert is even calling this a perfect storm for transmission. Right Jim. We saw what happened during Memorial Day. Is that in the weeks that that came to after that that the numbers went up? There's no reason to expect anything different with July fourth, unless people behave differently, but there really isn't an indication that that is the case as people get together whether it's a group in someone's home or large group at a at a larger gathering. That is a problem I have been saying this from the beginning that you do not need A. ME -nology to know that this virus thrives when people get together, the numbers go down when people are part. It doesn't mean that you need to stay in your home, but certainly large holiday gatherings are real concern in Dr Brilliant Surgeon General warned today that the death toll lags behind rising cases. We certainly saw that at the beginning the beginning of the pandemic here in the US. So what could we be seeing in the next few weeks? Are we going to see the death count start to go up in a dramatic way here in the US. Hi Jim. Thanks for having me. This is a hard time. We're just about to see the peak in the death rate that comes on the heel memorial day. It's memorial, day plus three or four weeks for the illness count, and then add two three more weeks for the unfortunate death count. That's running into when we run into the fourth of July. It's it's like the fourth of July plus. Four weeks then we're going to be into Labor Day that this disease is accelerated by holidays and gatherings. And we're in the midst of our summer festivals. This is a very hard time for us. Everybody has to wear a mask. It's your chance really to contribute to. The independence of of our country is to protect us from this pandemic brings us to our knees. And Elizabeth! A lot of Americans are deciding whether to get together for Fourth of July weekend. And they're going to see president trump. Hold this event with more than seven thousand people. They're not going to be doing social distancing They're not making masks mandatory. What sort of example does that set and does it continue this mindset? In a huge part of the country where they just don't take seriously enough. Jim It sets a terrible example. Not only are they not using mass and not requiring requiring mass, not requiring social distancing, but the president will be speaking at an amphitheater. We're the chairs. They'll be folding chairs that are zip tied together, so you are forced to sit sort of as a pack. That is a real problem. It is just amazing to me that a leader R V leader would have an event that forces people basically to be close to one another thousands of people. It just doesn't make sense. There has to be some other way to celebrate our nation's birthday than by putting people in danger, and even if the people who are getting infected there. There don't get sick themselves. They will then go home and possibly give it to someone who will become very ill or will die, and so I think that as we move into this holiday weekend, and we each make our own decisions about what we're going to do, we should think. Do I WANNA kill someone? Hopefully, the answer is no. Why would you WANNA go to a large gathering? Maybe you? You're young and healthy. Maybe you will be fine. You will become infected. You won't know it, and you could infect your grandmother. Why would you want to kill your grandmother? That is the question that we should all be thinking about as we move into this weekend. About those shares we know from talking to the Secret Service. They say that the ZIP tie these chairs together so. If people have to make their way out of the event quickly that the chairs don't become a hazard or obstacle for people trying to leave the area quickly there. You see some of the ZIP ties there. but Dr Brilliant it's sort of sets the stage for a potential super spreader event. Does it not if people are sitting closely together? It does Jim and just look at the rocks and looking at Mount Rushmore, two of the four faces Washington Washington and Jefferson on Mount Rushmore got smallpox. It's a reminder that even the great and the near great that our presidents are vulnerable to this disease in the great influenza of Nineteen Eighteen President Woodrow. Wilson got this the Spanish flu the great influenza. Nolan is immune to a novel virus which. which has never hit us before for which we don't have an antiviral or vaccine, the thing that Elizabeth just said think about your grandmother. Think about your family think about who you can carry this disease to know that until we get a good Vecsey, not just a vaccine until we get a good vaccine. That's highly effective. Everyone is susceptible. That's the message for Independence Day for the fourth of July. Where mask practice social distancing practice hygiene don't go to gatherings indoors with a lot of people whose immunity status you don't know. That's a great message for this holiday weekend Dr Larry Brilliant. CNN's Elizabeth Cohen Thank you very much really appreciate that breaking news next new details about president trump intends to stoke the culture wars in his speech tonight at Mount Rushmore plus bore on their grim new record number of virus cases in the US. Think about your home for a moment. It's where life happens. It's where you build that tree house or try that new recipe. It's where you rest and recharge work and play. You expect a lot out of it, and that's why homeadvisor is committed to keeping your home up and running no matter what they match you with the best pros in your area. Pros who can get your home projects done right from unexpected jobs. 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Speech Don a lot of unifying. It doesn't sound like in the speech. Well Jim! The president has spent the last week focusing more on protecting the statues of confederate traitors than on this corona virus, pandemic and tonight we expect the president to continue stoking those culture wars. Wars, I'm told that the president will focus in his remarks on efforts to tear down our history and blame a left-wing mob for trying to divide our country. Trump campaigned aide frame the speech for me. This way Jim saying the president will tell the truth about America's history, and you will tell the truth about those trying to tear it down and divide our country but Jim no matter the president's words this Fourth of July. Speech will come against the backdrop of what's happening around this country, which is a corona virus pandemic. That is getting worse, not better. Tonight president trump is doing the exact opposite of what many health experts advise drawing a crowd of thousands to celebrate Independence Day at Mount, Rushmore even as corona virus cases hit new records up to seventy five hundred people are expected many of them, sitting shoulder to shoulder as trump speaks in the shadow of four former presidents. Free, face masks if they choose to wear one, but we won't be social distancing. Just like at the president's recent campaign rally masks won't be required. After a week spent defending confederate monuments, trump will continue stoking the culture wars at Mount Rushmore, warning about efforts to tear down our history and accusing a left-wing mob of trying to divide our country, according to a trump campaign, familiar with the speech as trump continues to participate in large gatherings. The Surgeon General Jerome Adams wavered on whether others should do the same. Would you advise someone to go to a large gathering? Yes or no? Well, Craig, it's not a yes or no. Every single person has to make up their own minds, and they have to look at their individual risk. As you mentioned CDC's larger gatherings are a higher risk. You have to take that into account, but the white. House's Corona virus coordinator Dr Deborah burks this week sending a different message, avoid crowds in addition to the handwashing and the social distancing, wearing masks, and not having large gatherings inside. Not having large gathering outside, but if you participated in a large gathering in the last four weeks, we ask all of you to come forward and be tested. Meanwhile, Vice President Mike Pence forced to delay a trip to Arizona this week after eight members of his secret service detail tested positive for corona virus, just the latest instance of secret service personnel, testing positive or being forced to quarantine, and while Dr, Anthony found. She warns we're setting records. Practically every day of new cases in the numbers that are reported that clearly is not the right direction president trump insists the virus is getting under control and the gracious show. Is being handled falsely claiming there is a rise in corona virus cases because our testing is so massive and so good. The reality infections rising in thirty six states with fifty two thousand new cases on Thursday alone a new record experts say is not caused by increased testing, and despite criticizing his predecessor for golfing amid a crisis, the president today did just that hitting the links for his three hundred sixty fifth day at a trump property since becoming president. And Jim while the thousands of people expected to attend the president's remarks, Mount Rushmore. This evening will not be social. Distancing the president's having another fourth of July party at the White House tomorrow evening at event. We've been told that there will be some social distancing. The attendees will be frontline healthcare workers and the deputy White House press secretary said that they're doing it to ensure the health and safety of those attending so the question Jim is. Why isn't that happening tonight as well Jim. Very, good questions, CNN Jeremy Diamond. Thank you very much. Let's get an early. Look at what the president will be seeing once he arrives at Mount Rushmore CNN's Joe Johns. Is There Joe? What are you saying? Well Jim. The authorities are looking for about seventy five hundred people to show up here at the rushmore amphitheater. There are two levels. We're up on the balcony. We shot some pictures just a few minutes ago of what's going down on the main level and as you can see it a lot of people there and the other thing. I think you have to take note of is as we've been seeing people come in, there has not been a lot of examples of people wearing face coverings, hardly any at all. As a matter of fact, there's also. A lot of social distancing here as far as we can tell, and a number of reasons for that obviously trump supporters who follow the president, but also just the physical space. One of the things we noticed is there are black folding chairs here in long rows, hundreds of these cheers for this event, and they are connected by plastic zip ties so people sitting in those seats are going to have a very. Very close experience to the person sitting next to them. Why is that well? We're told by the authorities. It's the law according to the Fire Marshal, their concerns that if you have loose seats and there is a problem, a fire problem like a storm what ends up happening is those seats can block egress for other people, and perhaps even be used for example as a weapon, so the Fire Marshal says. We're not going to have seats like this that aren't connected. That's the status right now, Jim back to you. All Right Joe Johns Thank you very much. Let's talk about all of this with. CNN senior political analyst, David Gergen and the New York Times White House correspondent Michael Shear Michael. Let me start with you first amid this new peak in the coronavirus cases the president golf this morning, and he's heading for this huge as Joe Johns describing non socially distant event tonight. What does that tell you about his priorities right now? Look I think one of the things that's most striking is how discordant the president's the message that the president is sending is with the rest of the sort of health public health community out there the. The president as You well know Jim has an incredible bully pulpit There is no platform. No single person has a bigger platform to tell the American people to send a message to the American people about what they should do, and the fact that most of the public health community, and frankly a lot of the president's own political allies Republican. Governors are beginning to send a very different message about the need to wear masks about the need to stay socially distant, even going so far as to tell people to stay home on a very popular holiday weekend, and instead of reinforcing that the pre the message. Message that the president is sending this evening and and you know it's really no surprise given where he's been for the last several months, but the message is one of ignoring all of that, and and they can say they're handing out masks, but but you and I know that the most of the people in that in the event tonight won't be wearing them they'll we sit and close to each other and I think that's That's a big concern for the people who like Dr Fokin like Dr Burks and others who are who are monitoring. What's going on with this with this virus and? The White House keeping people like Dr Foul. She off the national TV networks right now. We've been reporting that today. David Gergen the surgeon general pundit today, when asked if people should attend large gatherings like the one that the president is hosting, but Dr Deborah Brooks just yesterday was urging people who've attended big gatherings to go get tested are members of the administration on the same page here in is the surgeon general who is one of the most senior health officials in the country speaking honestly about this. Article was absolutely right. It's very discordant messages coming out of the White House. The! Healthy were saying one thing the president saying quite another in effect the president sabotage. The whole effort to up in order to be careful, though it masks and everything else, but I think what so. Sensitive I think it goes beyond what so sensitive about this patent tonight you know. The Mount Rushmore has long honored for American heroes, but those presidents out there in release, each one of them would have been appalled by what's going on. Here is Washington DC unifier so as Jefferson, especially Lincoln and also Teddy Roosevelt. They were not dividers and to have this job for the used. Used exploited by the president would a Paul them beyond that? Of course there's a racial issue working in the background now for the last three or four weeks. We've been talking about the grievances that people of Color Staff Americans have out. They've been mistreated in history. Think about now. Resident to ammonium with four white male faces not just not in keeping as much as we. Up there there's something offensive is almost like you're giving a senior the whole the whole. Argument in the conversation. We're trying to have about race race in the country now. But, not as base, and Michael Scherer Tonight's event. The president as David was just alluding to is expected to blame the left. As his campaign. Officials are describing it for dividing the country. So they say and try to tear down the country's history and any other administration, this event would be an opportunity to unite the country. Ronald Reagan would not give a speech like this for example with nearly one hundred, thirty, thousand dead from the corona virus. What do you make of the president delivering this very divisive message tonight? Well Look I. Mean I think you know as as David Welna because he served presidents in both parties this. President's from from you know Bush to to Clinton to Reagan I mean have have tried especially in the months leading up to a reelection campaign have tried to broaden. Their base broaden the their appeal to a beyond just base voters, and to end to sort of be a president of all America. That's both a good policy, but it's also good politics in most pre most presidential campaigns in what you have instead in president trump. Is President in a campaign and a core of advisers around him. Who seemed to have no interest in in in in even making the attempt at that broadening, instead what they do is double down on the very hardcore base that has sort of been with the president for a long time, and that means stoking the culture wars that amp up and rev up that base whether that has been reminds me of the the taking a knee and and for at Football Games, it reminds me of the. The immigration agenda that the president has used and the and the scaring folks with the caravans of the Mike migrant caravans coming up for the two thousand eighteen election's, and he's doing it again this time and you know I think The real question is whether it's going to be successful for him and I think there's a lot of reason to think that it just won't this time because it doesn't add to the number of people who his supporters. David Gergen, Michael Shear of variant saiful commentary on all of this. Thank you very much coming up Myrtle beach south, Carolina is expecting thousands of visitors this holiday weekend despite a warning, it's a petri dish for the Garona vires spoke with the city's mayor. The fourth of July weekend promises to send a wave of travelers to South Carolina's grand strand of beaches. But this year the fun comes with a big dose of anxiety because of the corona virus. Joining us now is the mayor of Myrtle, Beach Brenda Bethune, mayor, thank you so much for joining us. Since reopening conditions and Myrtle beach have been described as a petri dish for the virus. I'm sure you don't like to hear that. As the mayor but outbreaks have been linked to the city and other states are warning residents not to travel to your area. I'm sure you've heard that as well. Given all of that. Can you really say visitors will be safe this holiday weekend at Myrtle beach. Well. I don't think that any city can guarantee absolute safety in a situation like this we do have thousands of people coming this weekend, and without knowing where they're coming from and where they have been who they've been around. There's no way to guarantee that, but we are doing all that we can and I believe that people spread this virus that's been proven not places, so we enacted a mass water yesterday to try to prevent further spread and control it. And you say you're expecting thousands. Maybe over one hundred thousand. And I know you have a new mask ordinance, but are you planning any other measures to deal with this huge influx of crowds? One of the problems I suppose is that people don't WanNa? Wear the mask because what they hear on TV from. Certain leaders in this country and so on. You're exactly right. That is a concern is a great concern. We do have extra law enforcement in town from other areas of the state helping us we are working on compliance and education, and getting the messaging out, and our regular regulatory teams are out working with a big box, retailers, shopping malls and things like that to educate the business owners, the retailers as well as the community. Is there a part of you? Though that that worries that you know by drawing, all of these people there to Myrtle beach that you're going to your city is going to impart be responsible for people getting sick. Cases skyrocketing. In that area. How do you Russell with that? Well as I said, people spread this virus, and we can't stop people from coming here, but we all have personal responsibility in helping to prevent the spread of this virus. Keep the beaches open your allowing people to come there and congregating. You're not going to be able to stop everybody from crowding together on the beach. and you're not GONNA be able to force people to wear masks on the beach I suppose. So, how do you deal with that? Actually are beaches have been very well maintained since we opened back up and that's because of our each patrol, our fire department and our lifeguards working cohesively together very few issues on the beaches now in our main entertainment corridor. Yes, we do have crowds and that is where we have an influx of police officers. And regulatory units to help control this crowds as well. We wish you luck and hope. Everybody stays safe down there. Mayor Brenda Thune is telling everybody down there and. Pay attention to these new mask ordinances and listen to local authorities down there, so we hope they do that. Thank you, mayor. We appreciate you coming on. Coming up why Canada is crushing the grown virus curve while its next door neighbor, that is the United States is not. Hbo Max, The new way to stream all of HBO. Guard is the greatest collection of a love team Buzinga. Joker. Originals Hbo Max Starts, streaming today visit HBO Max Dot Com to start your free trial. Free trials for new customers, only restrictions apply. The US the current epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic, but it's a very different reality. Just across the border in Canada. CNN's Paula Newton has more. For Canada, it's been a hallmark of the pandemic empty quad. The feared wave of covert patients never happened. Candidate started out much like the United States, but as the covid curve climbed Canada, crushed it now, seeing on average just a few hundred new positive cases a day. That means right now. The is reporting more than ten times more positive cases per capita than Canada. And yet no one here is declaring mission accomplished what the situation we're seeing in the United States and elsewhere highlights for us. Is that even as our economy is reopening? We need to make sure we're continuing to remain vigilant individually and collectively vigilance has been the watchword early and widespread testing, a free healthcare system, still building surge capacity longer shutdowns, slower reopenings, social distancing, and there is no controversy over wearing masks most see it as their duty wear for myself and others who protects them for me and me from them. just it's Sir respectable. Respectful to other people from the top down the leading by example in terms of the. British Columbia's top DR acted as the country's early warning system successfully managing the very first outbreaks improving it could be done a lot of it comes down to cohesiveness speed able to provide the information that people needed to do what we need them to do and that has. Held up as we've gone into opening up things again, people still are are adhering to the basics to try and ensure that we still keep each other same doctor Henry points to something else. That was critical keeping politics out of the response. Here's a conservative leader. Praising the Liberal Deputy Prime Minister. Christine Free Lynn. What can I say? She's an absolute champion. It would be like a democratic governor calling vice president. Mike pence their hero in general. We're all coming together. We have the same basic formation for people and the politicians made the right decision based on advice, and and that helped us also critically important. The US Canada border remains closed to all but essential travel in anyone entering Canada right now must quarantine for fourteen days, and the EU has deemed Canadians as safe for entry unlike Americans, and yet here to misteps have had tragic consequences. More than eighty five hundred people have died the vast majority of the deaths linked to crowded and poorly stuffed seniors homes. Seen a lot of bad stuff happen but I. don't remember anything with this level of sadness. Prime Minister Trudeau admits it's been a national shame and in that contrition. Canadian see a willingness to recalibrate the country's response to the virus based on wavering deference to science. Jim At every turn. They have tried to defer the science. I mean Jim I don't WanNA act as if the response in Canada was perfect. It wasn't and thousands of Canadians paid the price especially Canadian seniors when things weren't going right eating in nursing homes, they called in the military, not a perfect solution, but a realization that they had made a mistake and the differences are really stark. Tomorrow's Fourth of July candidate was on Wednesday on candidate. Justin Trudeau went to a food bank and that was in the celebrations have moved. Online months ago. And, now you know in terms of what they're dealing with today and tomorrow so many health professionals worried about the repercussions of July fourth and I. Can tell you, Jim. There are a lot of Americans very close to the Canadian border watching this right now and thinking why not us? Why could we not crush that curve? Absolutely, and when we just showed that graph few moments ago Paul, you may not be able to see it on your end. The contrast between the United. States and Canada separated only by a border but it seems so much more these days as our curve is rocketing, the one up in Canada is Flat Lining Paula Newton thank you very much for us. to taking us up to see how things are going up in Canada. We appreciate it coming up next president trump planning to speak tonight about efforts to quote tear down our history. I'll talk to one mayor who city is taking down. It's confederate statutes. President trump, intending to stoke cultural worse tonight at Mount, Rushmore campaign source familiar with the speech says the president will focus in part on efforts to quote. Tear down our history. Let's get more with Richmond Virginia mayor. Lavar Stony mayor thanks so much for joining us. You've had confederate statues coming down in your city. You've been presiding over that Meanwhile president trump is resolved to protect them and tonight at Mount, Rushmore. He's expected to argue that the left is tearing down the country's history. That's the way the campaign is putting it. How do you respond to that? I I would tell the President I've taken down begun taking down Malik monuments in my city, because of public safety hazards of for years now people have gathered there. To support hate bigotry things of that nature of the city, we are having longer and so starting July, while we began to down volume the city of Richmond. My number one responsibility as the mayor and emergency management director is to protect life property nestle began doing, but also number two I would say those have been up for one hundred years too long. And in a time where we need to be united has one people. The president has chosen to to to once again be the divider in chief, and that's what we need right now in this country and so. When I think about those minds, those are disabled of of racist symbols and also symbols confederacy we had to do. The extra mile to rip out of systemic racism from our government's. From. Healthcare from our legal system, our criminal justice system. Removing volume. And what does it tell you that the president plans to blame? The left were dividing the country an event to celebrate our country's independence. This is I think the president has obviously failed on many occasions recently. We all should not be surprised that this is a part of his playbook. He's been using the same playbook from day. One I think about what the president said that can twenty sixteen to Black and Brown people. He said that. What do you have to lose both for me? With the course of the last three and a half years. We've come to find out what we have to lose. Thousands of black and Brown people have lost their life because of covid nineteen and the pandemic, and we've seen his mismanagement. There of we've seen. Babies are being obsessively cage at the border. So when you ask what we have to lose this playbook. He keeps on running over and over again. A we are very familiar with it right now, and if whether you are consider yourself liberal, your black and Brown, we know exactly what he needs and the Washington. Redskins today announced a review of the team's dame which many consider to be a racial slur. Fans Virginia especially down in Richmond. Their training camp is held in the city of Richmond. They're using a different area in northern. Virginia because of the Corona Virus is time to change the name of the Washington redskins. Do you believe? I've seen the NFL over the last couple weeks. Step Up. They were a little bit behind when he comes to. Colin Cabinet cabinet of his peaceful protests, and taking a knee and glad they finally have arrived with the bony where now they see that a systemic racism is real. And They participated in it and the Washington redskins name up should be changed as well. I think that's long overdue is well I think people are looking for something? Totally different I would people can still enjoy football nfl without a racial name like the rest, and there's probably plenty of good alternatives out there mayor Lavar Sony. James Madison graduate as well. Thank you very much for joining us. We have you fourth. Go dukes, coming up fifty two thousand new cases in a single day in fears of many more infections, this holiday weekend, the latest on the coronavirus pandemic next.

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"I'm loud and bold radio announcer. Who was hired to tell you about the loud and bold flavors and Tyson anytime there's chicken snacks? There boldly says it full of flavor. Thanks for listening by Tyson. NATO's chicken bold flavorful chicken's necks his time to get up with the MVP with the stage stage to himself. Lamar Jackson puts on a show. We'll tell you what it means for the league this season and beyond then what he turned up in Dallas. The cowboys have to look forward. Not Back we'll tell you why history says they're going to lose on Thanksgiving Day and then did you hear what Nick Sabin said about his game against Auburn this weekend. You won't believe and I can't wait for Swag Gouda respond. We're ready to get up. Starting right now is a man of all sorts of talents. He went went from this this sweatshirt last week and look got the button is the MVP the MVP pinch that button right anyway this morning. And there's only one place to begin. You cannot spell Lamar without the letters m. v. p. Ravens Rams Monday night football and whether we own the road. He's hearing that same chant from the fans last night in right listen up and he take no time getting started first possession for the Ravens and he's often running a base plate for them. Just dead zone. Read Clayton Matthews Dodge. Down on the tailback lamarcus. Thank you let me go get fifteen and later in the drive on third down in Hollywood is Hollywood. GonNa talk really likes these play the mark peak to his right move. The defense came back to Hollywood Brown. Score dance dance. Look at the fun. They're having having fun. Is Mark Ingram effective for him. This nineteen yard gain here. He had fifteen carries a hundred eleven yards and a rushing touchdown. It would set up this on the Dr John Harbaugh fourth in one go forward coach. Of course he is. This is what the Ravens do not the analytics analytics aspect of it. We're going to be aggressive quarterback sweep to the less moved. The line of scrimmage six yards for the mock that guy I'm going for it on fourth and one every time next play it's Jackson again brown again it's a touchdown the timing of it. The rhythm about this play covered three sees Hollywood round on the scene. I love the type of brody makes and then speaking of type of throw swag jumping on this. Just look at the play. Lamar Jackson makes makes here in trying to describe what he does particularly you'll see it on the replay. First of all during the the everything is moving slower than everybody else on the field and then flick it sideways weighs like we were in Namur went. Mahomes this Lamar did it. Twice this spectacular that wanted to nick boil two plays later dance and the fumble of the snap and goes the patients so he picks the ball up. There's no panic. Sets his foot in the ground goes in and the only thing that can stop them is a little fixed painted three yard line on the view as he's mad at himself because he slipped and fell ran for ninety five yards on the day ravers score on the next. Play the rams trying to stay in this game late in the second quarter Jared Goff we got issues. Well you see the block matthew on tight end and that's easy one of Premier Passos's in the division get around the edge swipe with a quarterback's arm going to make deathrow dude on with dynamic golf at a bad night. Two hundred twelve yards chew interceptions. Fifteen seconds left in the half ravens looking for more. That's Willie snead used to be how to defend the more relaxed last year. Come after them with pressure. Not so much this year sees the blitz. Get the to sneak. 'cause they all four of their first half drives up twenty eight to six and then more of the same in the third quarter Ingram just on an angle route east sets the linebacker. Make sure he come underneath crossing the space more celebration dancing for the Raymond. Lamar Jackson still in the game in the fourth quarter. He's he's GonNa find snead for the touchdown again. Lamar Jackson the only player to have five passing touchdowns in his Monday night. Football debut. The Raymond's would score touchdowns on all six drives in which he was on the field and they win on the road. Forty five to six. We're running out of words. I'm trying to win the Super Bowl and we take game at time. I'm not worried about. MVP If you come home. I'll be satisfied but I'm super us a team award that's L. J.. MVP VP. If you've got a problem come see me running back from last week solemn Assay man people been trying me Eh but they can't validate their opinions so eligible for him. Up is anyone having more fun right now that the Ravens. And here's one of the reasons. Why Lamar Jackson? QBR Last night was ninety. Nine point seven it's his third game with a QBR. At least ninety nine. He is now played the best three games by any quarterback in the last five seasons and he is the first ever to have three such games in the history of this metric which goes all the way back back to two thousand six so I know it is my job to come up with interesting questions but at some point I just have to say Marcus what I mean. What are we seeing him? We are seeing generational uh-huh talent we're seeing one in a one in a one of one rai and look you want to you. Want to describe them in so many ways but the one way to describe the Mar- Dr Jackson is you've never seen this before. Stop the comparisons. I said last night g stopped comparing the more Jackson to anybody. You've ever seen playing the league. I know we love to say Michael Vick. I know we talked about Randall Cunningham. How athletic those guys were? There has never been a Lamar Jackson the play in the NFL and now l.. The fact that he's delivering the ball from the pocket as patient and seeing defenses like he is this trend Sinden talent that we've never seen before Dan. He had you googling words so you can figure out how on the driving this morning. I was googling words like what would be something. How do you describe is something that is indescribable? That's what I was googling just to try to find words out like I have nothing I would love to sit here and sound smart. There's a artist by the name of Chris. Tomlin literally has a song long indescribable. And that's the only thing I can think about right now that when I watch him play I'm trying to figure out. What am I watching? First of all you don't know where the football I don't know if anybody else saw. This felt this way when they were watching the game last night but even on the television I have no idea where the football is. Imagine playing on the the field and trying to stop it but right now it's just indescribable. I've said it's indefensible. Right now is an offense into me. I can't sit here and put Lamar Jackson in a box. And say he is this right now. He's like you know when you're holding a water balloon and it starts you. You like water starts coming out. There's a whole and its ups talking. You put your thumb on it and then also sending. There's another break. And you put your thumb on it and then all of a sudden there's another one you're like wait you. Can you run out of fingers to try and stop grinning offense at some point you just going to get a new balloon but in this case there's really nothing you can do to stop this guy. And we mentioned and by the way that he's twenty two years old. Have we mentioned by the way the Joe Borough who is probably going to win. The heisman is older than Lamar Jackson is right now. Lamar won the heisman. Winning was nineteen years is old and last night he became the first player in. NFL history with three thousand passing yards and fifteen hundred rushing yards in his first two seasons and by the way he's still has all this time left to go in this season he is genuinely doing things no one's ever how many guys in the NFL that are so good and you want to watch them that even the blow you leave it like that game was a blowout. I don't want to turn it off is not supposed to happen right in the NFL. This is the best. The world has to offer individual. Make other guys look like they shouldn't be in the NFL. Like there's another level to where I play where you guys can't reach that that is crazy to why you were telling us in the meeting. You WanNa talk a little bit about Greg Rome in the offensive coordinator something absolutely for as much as we lauding Lamar Jackson we have to give great Roman created as well because great Roman is literally going into weeks of preparation and San Lamar. You go be you. I'm GonNa put you in the best possible situation. The number one thing that a player needs from coach is to feel like you're putting me in a position to succeed. A Greg Roman is doing this. We talk about Lamar but we see mark. Mark Ingram Bowling at a at a high rate like his younger years with the New Orleans. Saints Need We see more keys we see Andrews this whole Offense is operating at bream level. And Look we can say is because Lamar Jackson but there are some things. Greg Roman is doing offensively that other teams are having to pay attention to and I think it would work. If Lamar Jackson wasn't plant. What about their indefensible? No one can stop them. They're going to win the championship. Going there yet okay. Not going there yet. GEICO because of this New England is still there. They're still in the NFL boat race. You know what's the crazy thing was the rams gave up forty four points in the last four games that they played they got forty five hung on them at last night. Yeah Hembo told me this morning. Our football power index analytics. Give New England and Baltimore basically at flatfooted tie hi as the favorites in the AFC. We have much more on the Mark Jackson as I'm warning continues. Oh by the way. We'll talk about the rams who are in all kinds of trouble as well but before we do that. Let's get to the cowboy cowboy here. NFL's informed the cowboys that both of the tripping penalties called against them in their thirteen and nine loss at the Patriots should not have been gone. Yeah we have a collective duh. The cowboys have yet to beat a team with a winning record and this weekend Jerry Jones is placed the blame squarely on the shoulders of head coach Jason Garrett who talked about that relationship you mean with Jerry all the time. Have you talked to him. Since last night's game I have not to have a personnel meeting on the Monday after the game. But we haven't traditionally done that when we have the short weeks we just get a rise for you know really. It's the same message the same message if you win the game or lose the game. The biggest thing is get your eyes for the biggest thing for Ross together is forward on this game on Thursday but again arise afford on buffalo one of six active. NFL coaches who've been and with their teams for at least ten years is the only one of those six that hasn't won the super bowl and he's the longest tenured coach in cowboys. History without one. You probably just take take a winning record of the playoffs joining us live now from Dallas. NFL reporter Todd Archer. Todd what's the mood on the ground in Jerry World Right now yeah. The team really follows. Jason Garrett's message and they really yesterday talked to guys in the locker room that they were on the buffalo to steal bill belichick quote and a and they really believe that look they still control their whole destiny in their hands. FBI SPN'S FBI has the cowboys as favourite for each of the last five games including the sixteen matchup at Philadelphia. So as bad as things have gone and not beating eighteen with a winning record this season they still believe it can be a team. That doesn't damage now. They they actually have to beat a team with a winning record in. That could start this week against buffalo but Jason Garrett he doesn't get caught up in all this stuff around Jerry Jones. He knows it's kind of what comes with the dinner of being being this team's coach so he's really trying to maintain a a patient face in front of this to help his team deal with this as well and in the past. They've responded we'll see if they can respond again again because if he doesn't then we know Jerry Jones looking for a new head coach the best way that he can help. His team is to fix some of their issues. What would you say is the most glaring issue on that team? Well you look at Amari Cooper coming off a game without a catch for the first time as a cowboy that has to be at the top of the list. But the good news for Amari Cooper and the cowboys is this game is at. At and T.. Stadium Liam if you look at his six game seventeen catches two hundred thirteen yards and two touchdowns in the five home games. It's thirty nine catches. He has one hundred yard receiving in each of of his last three games. Yes buffalo as a good pass. Defense Trade Davis White is second in tied for second in the NFL and interceptions. But Amari Cooper no matter who he's played against at home as always succeeded in last year on Thanksgiving hundred yards against Washington. Including a ninety yard touchdown the cowboys will need some of that. Jason Carroll need some of that as well it seems like the holidays coming. We had a good time because they're pretty good on Thanksgiving Day Games Archer joining us from Dallas with the latest on. What's been pretty interesting? Last few days there greeny to say the least and swagger was here are a resident former cowboys. You pointed out. We'll get to you in a second. I did just want to quickly address the very first thing l.. Said which is the league comes out and says to tripping tripping calls should not have been made and it's a tripping penalty that you see so seldom in the nfl you can live. I almost feel like you can live with the bad interference. Call a bad this or that but to make up to tripping calls particularly one in the big spot of the game frankly is inexcusable. And everyone was able to see that it wasn't tripping like anyone chasm fan or die hard fan that has been around the game of football realized this wasn't tripping and got. NFL guess what like your apology means nothing. It doesn't take the loss away from this team's win loss record. Don't apologize anymore. Get the calls right. This was the most watched thing on television since the Oscars News and the most watched sporting event on television since last year's Super Bowl and for some reason the officials decided to insert themselves into that at that moment. Let's put that aside. 'cause isn't that isn't the biggest reason the cowboys lost. So let's deal with those if we can unless you look like you're ready to go I. I'm just watching you. Go Go ahead fell. Awakening banning is coaching. And I'm GonNa tell you this g when they tell you. The wind is blowing heart. Move your return up when you have an opportunity against the Patriots in red area. Go ahead and try to score at such now. Jane did it all gain. So what makes you think you're going to be a bakersfield going. Go back and do it again and then to when you think about what this team has done and continue to say this and I'm gonNA keep beating this dead arts. They've done everything. They put themselves in a position to win period. Like there is nothing else to point a two but Jason Garrett in this situation. They've changed coaches tasks. They changed offensive coordinators. They brought in Chris Resort. They signed players. They committed the Zeke. They brought this together. Everybody's back healthy. What is the one thing that's left? That hasn't changed about the Dallas Cowboys Jason Garrett and you know what keeps happening this is the definition of insanity. They keep doing it. Jerry keeps making those excuses. I think for the first time yesterday we saw Jerry. Draw a line in the sand and say okay. I know that this is not good enough anymore. And one thing I know about Jerry Jones Planning Organization for eight years. When those Dallas Cowboy fans started talking Blau it lists lots because he respects and it's a lot of people that know a lot about football and they understand what's going on right now? What was the last time you heard? A general manager talk about their head coach the way. When was the last time you heard just listened to Jerry listens? What is he saying about? Get right now to. The last. Three weeks has singled single. Jason Gal out is we lost him. We lost his. I have him in the other team that that guy look at the playoffs guys looking. WARLORDS WITH SEAN pay in Bill Belichick with craft and in Baltimore with Harbaugh a peak caroline Seattle. Listen to the way. Those general managers talk about their her head coaches uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh yeah technology truth brought to you by GEICO truth. You will certainly any text about your supervisor to your supervisor. What's Janet's fangs? Did she lose a bet with a weed. Whacker uh-huh oh wait. No no no no no truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at GEIKO DOT COM Janet. I think my phone almost hacked or something geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more the. Yeah yeah the yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah yeah the yeah the Yeah uh-huh.

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