20 Episode results for "January First Of This Year"
Win in Georgia Painted as Loss
"I do and everybody. Mike with you with today's update. I wanna give you guys an update on what's happening in georgia. There is a ballot inspection that set to take place in georgia. It's not an inspection of the physical ballots but it's a judge has granted election integrity activists down near permission to scan about one hundred and forty seven thousand absentee ballots in fulton county fulton. County georgia is georgia's largest county in. It's the county where atlanta's and so a judge down there judge. Brian emeril granted election integrity activists permission to scan hundred forty thousand one hundred forty seven thousand ballots and those ballots while not as good though. Scans i meanwhile not as good as an inspection of the physical ballots obviously are going to go a long way towards helping to determine whether any widespread election fraud took place and if so what kind of fraud. One of the plaintiffs in the cases a fellow by the name of garland favorite. Oh garland federico is the head of an organization called voter g. a. which is an election integrity organization down there in georgia. He's been dealing with the case since the very beginning. obviously Since december and the scanning of the ballots was set to take place a couple of weeks ago and two days before it was again. The case has been ongoing for six months two days before these skin was about to take place the plaintiffs or defendants. In the case the fulton county board of elections and fulton county officials both filed a motion to dismiss and the reason they filed a motion to dismiss was based on a sovereign immunity law which holds that officials in georgia cannot be sued in their official capacity. It's a little bit convoluted but it's a it's important to understand because of the way the mainstream media portrays in a way that is simply not true so i wanna play you some clips from garland federico who held a conference called this morning discussing the developments in this case in discussing exactly what these officials were trying to do to were this inspection this quote unquote inspection the scanning of the ballots and how they won and then how the mainstream media portrayed what happened. Well i start off with fabrizio describing and explaining this sovereign immunity law and the impact that it had on this case the law would change last year. Actually in the change took effect in january first of this year on january first of this year. That's important and you'll hear february to explain. Why garland court on monday up and the issues before the court were auburn and so I that excited this kind of explain that again I heard for a short of over. The question of salary is sued or wrongdoing. Governor official Does something wrong. They had to claim soccer and be held unaccountable basically a matter of minutes and That did not nj where i other january first law is chad and the law was changed to make that much much better You know better for us not better so but that raise the question of the example. When there's like doing this case do you see members. Do you see the board of as a whole and counting. So that's where we were on minded or of elections for saying that you can't sue us and the guy was saying well we don't control election so you chance to la well we're saying folks. Kelly did this. You got somebody so that kind of what the baseball's was on my As to who who actually used to and That's the arguments that were made. There were literally twelve attorneys. They're online plus some kind of a record for attorneys in the courtroom Really have so. We're gonna stop it right there because he goes on to explain how there were about a million attorneys in this courtroom trying to defend from this scan Taking place but later on he talks about how the judge switched out the defendants according to the sovereign immunity law how it had really no bearing on the case so that turns out to be a victory for them because remember the other side wanted to dismiss. The judge did not dismiss the case. He just switched out the defendants. And how the mainstream media portrayed as a defeat here is fabrizio on that order on thursday. Got the whore and basically as the judge just decided to substitute the benefits so what. The judge was founded that the kelly. And we're still not convinced that that was the right decision. That business decision The removed also the board of elections and then substituted the individual Places or after individual defendants are the four. So that's the way we have lawsuit setup originally so we're basically back to the original defendants Mice recurrent except for the fact that Alex von share of on. John for now as replace mary tune hardly not parts by the way so anyway so that substitution took place Essentially that happened and doing and making the substitution booted Don spaniels is event up for dismissal because arguing on behalf of the affordable liked and the board of elections those checks so especially that mood it is and we essentially one that And as part of the plaintiffs substitution class. So we had a really good and we had a really good thursday. And we've had a really good week however you might have noticed that you happen to have seen the ajc article on Some other quote ransomware throughout the that we have acquaint- by arpey. Though kate was faking drop brought out all just got chase and basically we rebel. According to the corrupt nafta local news and this is take a couple of other Birds websites and usually session so they just explained why more to this conclusion tried to work with him. And explain it. Judge so whether judge Substituted parties this meth the charges against the party that he was substituted out and and retained all of the charges against the party's youth substitute. Yeah so you just missed. The charges against the county retained all that against the individual board members so that was virtually no change whatsoever. And i lost. Everything exactly defeated the raise dismissal function. That saying thank this again on behalf of individual actions but it does. We are in the process of amended complaint again and trump has the first official us sovereignty. And we have latham justice for the individuals. So that's it All is is well and good. We're really pleased. Put out an ashtray. Basically got a big Of some kind by a rogue when we've got to core on the car i have. We got the temporary injunction to protect the balance second time. Conditional group of students thanked the ballots. The third time we got the images before time we got the feeling about depend. We were able to see a motion to dispense. So we have one five times in a of course and you say you say we were on. If you read the ajc you would think they were on their last legs. Believe nothing folks. The full on information war has erupted. And it's been ongoing for a while is just that up until this point. I don't think we as a nation have fully understood the depth and the breadth of the threat against us. Get all your information from the ground level. Trust nothing being broadcast on major or mainstream media outlets this was portrayed as a defeat and it was actually a victory and so the audit potential in georgia marches on. There is a probably know hearing date was set but there will probably be probably be one in july and then the next for the court is ruling on a inspection plan put forward to be submitted by favor reto next week. So we'll keep you updated on that as events warrant. That's our update for today. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next time. In the meantime take care yourselves each other.
If Trump Is Re-Elected and Controls The House and Senate Expect This..
"Well most folks are probably at home relaxing as they should be The kind of thing I do for fun as I sit here and I ponder the question of what would be a doomsday scenario for in this country and I mean a doomsday. Scenario in a political sense for me obviously reelecting. The president is bad enough. That would be a doomsday. James Day scenario of the first order but if he was reelected and the Senate was still controlled by Republicans and additionally if Democrats lost the house and so trump had control of everything that would be the the absolute worst thing that could happen and The House has actually been our firewall. As we've seen them act over and over this is this has been our firewall to prevent this president from just doing whatever strikes his mind It okay I'll agree. Yes the judicial additional branches also have been a good firewall and we we can rely on them for sanity as well but if we lose the house folks. I don't think we'll get rid of trump because I can guarantee you that. If if trump and Republicans control everything there will be a change to the twenty second amendment to allow presidents to serve more than two terms that is my absolute worst fear. And that's what I want to talk about today. The two-term limit was established by Republicans in the form of Twenty Second Amendment which was passed in nineteen fifty eighty one the problems that Republicans were looking to avoid to them. They're worse case scenario had just happened president. Franklin Oakland Delano Roosevelt was just elected to a third term. One difference I WANNA throw out there folks is that FDR had approval ratings. That were fifteen to twenty percents Ed better than Donald Trump over the whole three terms that he was president so things were different but to Republicans that was the absolute the worst thing that could happen so out of concern. Republicans managed to pass the Twenty Second Amendment and seeing that Republicans Pass then amendment folks. That would be reason number number one they would likely give for modifying backed whatever they want. And you think that sounds crazy will they. Were actually thinking of doing it. Just as recently as nineteen nineteen eighty-six were White House spokesman. Albert Bushier said that although Mr Reagan President Reagan had argued for repeal the twenty Second Amendment on the ground that AH presidents effectiveness was restricted in a final term. He mentioned that President Reagan. Never put that as a top priority. The fact that Reagan even gave this some serious thought in kind of want to modify term limits but never did would probably be Republicans number two reason and for doing this yes rican was in my view. He was very serious about doing this. And according to a New York Times article from November twenty ninth nineteen eighty seven. And yes. It's still out there if you want to check it out where President Reagan was interviewed by David. Frost Remember David Frost from the old days in that interview. Reagan said and I quote him here I would like to start a movement to eliminate the constitutional amendment that was passed a few years ago. That limits the president to two terms. Now I say I wouldn't do that for myself but for presidents from here on and that was actually a kind way to put it President Reagan but really folks. I don't extr. I don't expect president trump to be so kind I don't in my reason number. Three here is just that with a Republican Senator Republican House Donald Trump still as president they would remove term limits just because they can. And you don't really expect attorney general. Bill Barda disagree with that. Do you for God's Sakes. Some of the president's men obviously our forecasting a trump victory as we speak Republicans but they're also forecasting that Republicans will hold the Senate and that Republicans will take the House Corey Lewandowski's one of those. He's trump's former campaign manager he wrote an op Ed piece in the hill dot com on January. First of this year saying just that and Lewandowski in that article praises the failure of Democrats to work with trump and also blames their fruitless. Investigations is the kind of spin that you're going to hear from the Republicans to try to take the house back so folks. It's incredibly important for every person to vote in this next election. Obviously but it's it's not just important. It's critical that everyone vote and we need to get behind. Whomever is the Democratic candidate for president? But let's not forget to keep the house and take the Senate while were added folks. There's a tremendous tremendous amount at stake here. This flash briefing was brought to you by the rusted culture. PODCAST and you can find us on. ITUNES stitcher tune in spotify in Google. Play or wherever you find your podcast. Thanks for listening.
Donkey Of The Day: Canton Man Kidnapped Ex-Wife So He Could Pretend To Save Her
"The breakfast club yet here today for monday. August thirty first laugh. They at a month. Goes the rodney william. Mets rodney is thirty. Six years old and he was recently sentenced to twenty five years in prison. Oh he admitted the fourteen charges including but not limited to kidnapping assault threatening with a handgun. All types of stuff. why oh. Why did rodney duties did rodney duties to well before we get into that. Let me just say that. I once heard someone say. Sometimes you have to fake a suicide to get. You grow back when i heard that understood. What a person was coming from. Because i too have felt like i wanted to make a permanent decision based off temporary feelings back in the day when my now wife broke up with me. I don't. I don't know if i really wanted to complete suicide. I just know that. I felt like the sky was falling and i wanted my woman back and i felt like making her feel. Sorry for me would work. I know i know. Toxic is l. All right thank god for therapy growth in healing. Thank you god. Thank you god. Well this guy rodney mentioned he definitely needs meal and okay and he's no different all right. See rodney in an attempt to gain sympathy from his ex wife. He jumped out the window. Because i faked cancer diagnosis see. I don't play like that. I read you turn out to be what you pretend to be. I'm not playing about having no cancer. Okay well according to sheriff's office sheriff's office investigators. That plan didn't work aka. his wife didn't give a damn okay. Ex wife probably heard the news. And said i'm gonna send him healing energy and kept her day moving. So rodney devises another plan this one even more diabolical than if i see rodney. Metzer decided to devise a plan to kidnap and save his ex wife in a bid to win her back. Listen to what i just said. Rodney metro devised a plan to kidnap and save his ex wife in a wig to win her back now back on january. First of this year. I guess rodney's ex wife was on some new year new me energy and we're riding. He tried to get back with her. She denied him. So rodney came up with this plan. They kidnap and safe his ex wife in a bid to win her back. But not just the kidnapping all right. He wanted the kidnapper in saver. Okay just like a man right ladies. Wannabe both the problem. And the solution when the reality is when you toxic like rodney. You just the problem. But i'm not judging. I'm sending them healing energy. Okay listen to this story. Rodney broke into his ex wife's house wearing a mask and displaying a gun when he spoke disguised his voice already. He hit her. what the budget. A gun tried to strangle her. Two times he zip tied. Her hands assaulted her place to pillowcase. Overhead and dragged her to the deck and told her if she moved from the deck. She would be shot then. Rodney went to change his clothes and came back to his ex-wife's house trying to be hero and called the police now rodney. Mets couldn't have denied this if he tried. Evidence in the case was substantial. Okay cherokee county. Sheriff's found the handgun in metro department bellboy as well as zip ties that match to ones found on his ex wife. Investigators also saw rodney on surveillance video carrying a package of zip ties out of a local. Lowe's alright rodney cell phone and laptop search history revealed to investigators that he searched such topics as how long before you starve to death how to change the sound of your voice and how long it takes to choke someone unconscious. I couldn't make this up if i tried now. Granted that how long before you start the deficit. What most men who lose their wives. Google because they can't cook in a man cannot live off chick-fil-a alone all right now. Da rachel ash who prosecuted the case said rodney. Metzer is a master manipulator. I believe that is an understatement. And it's also very interesting to me. That men will figure out all these ways to get our women back when we lose them but the one thing we need to do and we are together is just accurate okay. It's really not that difficult to simply act right when you together with said lady and maybe y'all still be together now. I know certain circumstances lead you to do certain things with that. Women's intuition at some point kicked in and she realized. I got to get away from this human rodney before. His trauma kills the both of us. And guess what you did. Rodney prove her right. Okay your ex wife was absolutely correct in leaving yo ass because you. My friend are sociopath. Now rodney mitch. The have been sentenced by judge. Anthony anthony baker to seventy years. Okay with the i. Twenty five years to be served in confinement. The remaining forty five to be served on probation. Let me tell you something man when you love something let it go if it comes back to you then it's meant to be all right is yours. Nope but also when you love something let it go and if you have to come up with criminal plans to get said thing back remember the first part let it go and let it stay on. Please let remar give rodney metzer. Two biggest he he he. Ha you stupid dumb Well i think a lot. I mean no no back. We go all out to get him back with. Don't go all out to keep it when we're together right. That's ridiculous okay. Just do right while you're witter and you won't have to put yourself in these type of situations. This is extreme though. I mean come on. You think it's extremely now. You gotta live twenty five years in prison driving yourself crazy over that woman who's going to be out here living her beth life. Okay thank god. Thank god lord have mercy all right eight hundred five eight five one. Oh five one. What's the craziest thing you've done today to get your woman back. Eight hundred five hundred five one zero five one. We'll talk about it when we come back the breakfast club morning. 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Cattle Current PodcastSept. 4, 2020
"Cattle futures continued to erode on Thursday. The recently revised factory baseline projects the beef cowherd declining to about thirty million head by twenty, twenty, five coming up in your. Mortgage, update with West. How dull this is where Ishmael with your Kelkar market update for Thursday night and Friday morning the fourth of September. Negotiated cash fit cattle trade declined another two dollars in the Texas panhandle on Thursday two, hundred dollars. One hundred weight according to the Agricultural Marketing Service for the week across all regions. Live sales are generally two to three dollars lower at one, hundred, two, hundred, and four dollars and dress trade is three to five dollars lower at one, sixty, two to one, sixty four. Cattle futures were lower again, following cash prices and wholesale beef values outside markets also pressured. Live cattle futures closed an average of fifty four cents lower feeder cattle. Futures closed an average of dollar and six cents lower except for unchanged in the back contract choice boxed beef cutout values thirty four cents lower. Thursday afternoon at two, hundred, twenty, seven dollars and twenty four cents. One hundred select was a dollar thirty to lower back to twelve fifty. Actual toll cattle slaughtered for the week ending August twenty second of six, hundred, fifty, thousand, eighteen head with sixty nine, hundred, thirty, seven head more than the previous week. But Sixty, four, hundred and two had fewer than the same week a year earlier however, beef production a five, hundred, forty, two, point five, million pounds was six point six, million pounds more or one point two percent more than a year earlier with heavier, carcass weight? The average dress. Dear wait was a pound heavier than the previous week at nine hundred and ten pounds, which was twenty six pounds heavier than the prior year. The average dress temper wait of eight, hundred, thirty, three pounds was the same as a week earlier. But twenty one pounds more than a year earlier. Corn futures on Thursday close three to five cents lower through July twenty one, and then mostly a penny lower soybean futures closed mostly three to six cents higher. Chasm feeder cattle sold mixed at the weekly Thursday auctions monitored by called- current. Ear Steer. Salt steady at would rely stock auction and Oklahoma the exception was ten dollars lower for steers wind six, hundred to six fifty. Fear have restricted steady to four dollars higher steer Heifer Castle steady to five dollars lower in a test. There were thirty, one, hundred, eighteen head on offer. At winter livestock in Pratt Kansas fieger steers and heifers Wayne less than seven hundred pounds sold three to six dollars higher. Steers Wayne Seven hundred and nine hundred pounds sold steady to a dollar higher wall fear heifers seven hundred, nine, hundred pounds hold steady on light receipt. There were twenty, two, hundred, and seventy, six head on offer. Deers Wayne Eight hundred eight fifty sold three dollars higher at Mitchell, livestock, auction, and south. Dakota, were there are two thousand and ten head Laura undertones were noted for steers and other whites. Lower undertones were also noted for feeder heifers at farmers and ranchers, Livestock Commission and SALONA Kansas Steers. Wayne. Eight, hundred ten, hundred, and fifty pounds sold three seven dollars lower and then with lower undertones lighter weight with instances of two to five dollars lower. heifers Wayne Four, fifty, nine, fifty, traded two to three dollars lower with instances of eight dollars lower their sixteen hundred and fifteen head on offer finally fear steers and have her solstice to two dollars lower at to Livestock Auction and Texas were twelve hundred eleven hit. Major US financial indices closed sharply lower on Thursday there appeared to be no primary reason other than some widespread profit taking especially in tech stocks and ahead of the long weekend and initial weekly jobless claims came in lower than the trade expected at eight hundred and eighty, one, thousand, which was one hundred, thirty, thousand fewer than the previous week according to the US Department of Labor. The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed eight, hundred seven points lower the S. and p. five hundred closed a hundred and twenty five points lower and the Nasdaq was down five, hundred, Ninety, eight point. The response to cove in eighteen induced market disruptions and a sharp but indeterminate economic contraction that has affected the agricultural sector in disparate ways depending on the commodity say analysts with the Food and Agricultural Policy Institute or Fabbri at the University of Missouri. However they add large carry out stocks and sizable production for many commodities in twenty twenty, twenty one along with uncertainty, regarding fulfillment of the phase one trade agreement with China as well as the timing of the rebound in China's hoggard have. Significantly, contributed to market conditions factory released updates for us, agricultural markets last week, which provide revised vibe your price projections reflecting coronavirus market impacts with information available through the middle of August as alluded to in Wednesday's CAL current fat pre projects the five area direct average fits dear price and one hundred thirteen dollars fifteen cents. One hundred weight year compared to an estimated one. Oh, nine, eighty, four this year. After twenty twenty, one projected prices increased steadily from one hundred, nineteen dollars ninety four cents in twenty, twenty, two, two, hundred, thirty dollars, and ninety one cents in two, thousand, twenty, five. For fear spears basis six, hundred to six hundred fifty pounds. Oklahoma, city, the forecast price for next year is a hundred and fifty dollars fifty hundred weight compared to an estimated one, forty, four, forty, six for this year. After twenty twenty, one projected prices increased steadily from one hundred, sixty, four dollars and forty three cents in twenty twenty, two to one, hundred, seventy, nine dollars and three cents and twenty, twenty five. All of that is with a forecast for the beef Kellyanne and Tori to decline from thirty one point three, million head on January first of this year to thirty, million, head and twenty twenty-five. Throughout, the time line projected beef production hovers between twenty seven, point three and twenty seven point six, billion pounds according to Fabbri analysts supply chain disruptions due to cope in nineteen increased the cost of processing. Last very products. These impact should moderate in twenty twenty one, but we'll still pressure the producer share of consumer expenditures. Among other highlights the report. The folks of fabry expect the total amount of beef pork and poultry meat supplies to the domestic market in per capita terms to contract at twenty, twenty, one and twenty, twenty two for the first time since two, thousand fourteen. Consumer food price inflation is projected at three point, two percent this year, the highest since two thousand eleven, but as increased processing and marketing costs due to cope in nineteen ease next year, those analysts expect food inflation to moderate to one point four percent finally, Fabri pigs the new corn crop prize at three dollars and twenty four cents a Bushel, and that includes a modest downward adjustment in Iowa corn yield given the recent drops of store. That, you're Kelkar market update for Thursday night and Friday morning the fourth of September. This is West. For, listening.
Cattle Current PodcastMarch 19, 2021
"Dress trade was dollars higher in nebraska on thursday matching the game in western corn belt. Live prices from a day earlier. Fabri projects cattle prices higher this year and then significantly higher through two thousand twenty seven km while you're calico market update with west. How did all this wis ishmael. An expanded edition of your cattle. Kurt market update for thursday night and friday morning the nineteenth march negotiated cash pick cal. Trade was two dollars higher on address basis in nebraska at one hundred. Eighty two dollars a hundredweight. According to the agriculture marketing service that was on slow trade and light demand. That might suggest that front end inventory. Is kerr enough for prices to finally move beyond the rut of the last seven weeks on wednesday live. Prices were higher in the western corner belt at one. Fourteen to one fifteen cal features closed sharply lower thursday amid waikele technical correction and positioning ahead of friday's catalog feed report despite wholesale beef values gathering some seasonal steam sharply lower corn futures and the likelihood that cash bid cattle. Prices are on the cusp of moving higher pressure. Also included sharply lower lean hog futures tied to chat or out of china that that nation is close to rebuild in its hoggart pre asf levels however that diverges widely from private sector reports citing further sf challenges also of note net usb export sales. Were twenty five thousand nine hundred metric tons the week ending march eleventh according to the weekly. Us export sales report from usda's for agricultural service that was twenty four percent more than the previous week and thirty nine percent more than the prior four week average increases were primarily japan south korea china taiwan and hong kong. Why cal teachers closed an average of a dollar ninety cents lower fear cattle futures closed on average of a dollar seventy eight cents lower across a range of twenty cents lower back to three dollars and fifty five cents little choice box beef cut out values fourteen cents higher thursday afternoon at two hundred and twenty eight dollars and sixty cents one one hundred weight. So lack was fifty cents higher at two eighteen eleven. The average drift steer wait for the week ending march. Sixth was nine hundred pounds according to usda's weekly actual slaughter under federal inspection report. That was a pound heavier than the previous week. But three pounds lighter than the previous year the average dressed heffer wait of eight hundred and thirty. Three pounds was a pound lighter than the previous week but three pounds heavier than the prior year. Cavs fear cattle continued to sell mainly steady to hire the weekly auctions monitored by gala current. Steer caz wayne three hundred seventy five to six hundred pounds sold sixty eight dollars higher at winner livestock in pratt. Kansas according to the preliminary report steers wind six hundred eight hundred pounds sold steady and then wanted to two dollars higher at eight hundred two nine hundred seventy five pounds africa's wayne three hundred to five hundred pounds full two to five dollars higher and instead at five hundred to seven hundred pounds there are thirty one hundred and seventy nine hit on offer feeder steer soul to four dollars higher at woodward livestock auction in oklahoma where were twenty seven hundred and fifty seven head. Fear heifers trade one. Two three dollars higher steer caz wine five hundred six hundred pounds sold seven to nine dollars higher and hever castle three to five dollars higher steers wind six hundred fifty eight hundred pounds sold on evenly steady at mitchell. Livestock auction south dakota steers way. More than eight hundred pound sold three to six dollars. Higher fear heifers wayne. Six fifty to seven fifty sold unevenly steady and then to six dollars higher at heavier weight. There are twenty seven hundred two head offer steers wayne five hundred to five fifty sold wanda four dollars lower and napoleon. Lock stock auction in north dakota. Were there are twenty two hundred forty six steers way more than five fifty soul steady to four dollars higher with instances of the ten dollars higher. The exception was three to eight dollars. Lower seven hundred to seven hundred and fifty pounds. You're heifers wind. Four hundred fifty to five hundred fifty pounds five to ten dollars lower and instead to three dollars higher at five hundred fifty eight hundred and fifty pounds with instances of a poten- dollars higher corn soybean futures closed sharply lower thursday. The most plausible explanations include. Ring your forecast for south america and worries about how many acres might show up in. Usda's perspective planning report due out at the end of the month. There's also likely some queasiness about us and chinese officials meeting in alaska this week net. Us court export sales for twenty. Twenty twenty one. We're nine hundred and eighty five thousand nine hundred metric tons the weekend in march eleventh. That was noticeably from the previous week and from the prior four week average however corn was also pressured state by the impact of lower oil prices west texas intermediate on. Cme close closed four dollars and ten cents to four dollars and sixty cents lower through the front six contracts reasons ranged from increasing inventory to the stronger to the simple fact that traders may have leaned too far over the skis reality core features. Close ten to twelve cents lower through the front three contracts and then mostly three to seven cents. Lower ask for soybeans net. us exports sales of two hundred two thousand four hundred metric tonnes for twenty twenty twenty. One were down forty two percent for the previous week and down thirty one percent from the prior four week average soybean futures closed twenty two twenty nine since major. Us financial engines closed lower thursday pressured by surging bond yield rates just today after federal reserve. Chair jerome pao expressed little concern. That inflation would get out of hand. The dow jones industrial average closed one hundred and fifty three points lower the s. and p five hundred closed fifty eight points lower and the nasdaq was down. Four hundred nine points lower government payments and higher farm production costs could outweigh the projected increase in livestock and crop sales in two thousand twenty one leading to lower year-over-year farm income. According to the latest analysis of national and global agricultural trends from the university of missouri even so analysts at the university of agricultural policy research institute project farming can this year at one hundred and twelve billion dollars which would be significantly higher than in two thousand fifteen to two thousand nineteen net farm income last year increased to one hundred twenty one billion dollars the highest level since two thousand thirteen primarily because a forty six billion dollars in government payment economists with fabry and the university of missouri agricultural markets policy. Release the annual. Us agricultural market outlook report each spring the baseline projections for agricultural and biofuel markets in the latest report running through twenty thirty were prepared using market information available january but do not reflect any subsequent policy changes with all of that in mind fabri projects cattle prices higher especially after this year as beef cow numbers decline from thirty point eight million head january first of this year to a low for the time series of twenty nine point six million in twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven projects the five very direct annual fit steer price at one hundred and sixteen dollars and sixty one cents one hundred weight this year at one twenty to forty eight twenty twenty two and at one twenty seven twenty eight twenty twenty three from their price projections peak at one hundred thirty six dollars and fifty five cents in twenty twenty seven projected steer calf prices basis six hundred six hundred and fifty pounds oklahoma city follow a similar path. A hundred and forty nine dollars and eight cents one hundred weight this year. A hundred sixty dollars. Eighty eight cents and twenty twenty two hundred and seventy dollars and sixty three cents in twenty twenty three and then peaking and hundred and eighty four dollars thirty six cents in twenty twenty seven. That's all with corn prices projected to be highest this marketing year. At four dollars and twenty cents a bushel thatcher calico market update for thursday night and friday morning the nineteenth of march. This is where sexual. Thanks for listening.
Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network: Lions of Liberty Felony Friday (July 12, 2019)
"Hey guys this is John Odor. Matthew host found Friday. Just WanNa come at you real quick before we get. Today's show started if you didn't hear the news youtube has demonetized our channel that sucks what's happening happened in this country. <hes> what's happening with government. What's happening with our big tech? Organizations is disgusting my friends when people like US people like lines of liberty good people like myself who are trying to make a change trying to have a positive impact and better society by reforming criminal justice system when channels like ours are demonetized. I would hope that you would stand behind us and help to support us. You can do that in a couple of ways do drink coffee. Would you drink our coffee. 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I'm very very hopeful and I'm very excited for you guys to get to hear from these two gentlemen <hes> they are very very passionate about what they're doing and it's amazing what can happen when two reasonable people come together and half an idea have a vision for way that they could make society better so I'm going to introduce those two guys in just a minute before I do that. I want to remind you WANNA. Let you know that sense. This is the one hundred eighty fourth episode of felony. The Friday that means the show notes page can be found at lines of liberty dot com slash F F one eighty four so good there for the show notes page this your first time listening to the show. Please consider subscribing wherever you're listening to this podcast outcast apple podcast stitcher overcast. There's so many podcasts apps out there. Just click that little subscribe button on your magical listening device in your pocket that some people refer to as a cell phone. 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It's a pre arrest diversion program for addicts addicts and it's the elizabethtown borough and North West regional police departments who've joined up with blueprints for addiction recovery and they're establishing resources that favour rehabilitation over incarceration hope over helplessness helplessness life over death and today. I'm joined by blueprints for Addiction Recovery C.. O. Christopher drives box say hello Christopher everybody felons not and Elizabeth town police chief Edward M Cunningham how John just call me just call you Ed yes okay. I'm glad we got that out of the way I was going to be calling you <hes> chief Cunningham the entire show so let's Chris has been on the show before I think about I think it was fifty episodes ago Episode One Thirty Four Felony Friday so you know we don't need to hear Chris this whole back story you know he went into that of that episode. We don't need to rehash that we're going to be I want to focus on this program because it's so unique and I think <hes> from what you from you guys are doing and really implementing <hes> in your local community. I think I wanted to shine a light on that so Chris but if you could just tell us a little a bit quickly for people that haven't heard that episode is a little bit about blueprints for addiction recovery and why you're so passionate about helping people suffer from addiction so blueprints for addiction recovery is a state licensed drug and Alcohol Treatment Project. We operate out of five separate locations here in south central Pennsylvania <hes>. I'm personally very passionate about this. Criminal Justice work with chief Cunningham and the other police in this area because I myself was arrested and the M._A.. Felon <hes> I spent nearly seven hundred days of my life in jail for drug related offenses and things related to my addiction and really really loves working with progressive people like Ed to help other people avoid the struggles that I had to go through. Thank you for sharing that Christopher and <hes> ed if you could just tell us <hes> what attracted you to a career in law enforcement and what's your career progression been if you've been elizabethtown the whole time if you have you moved around a little bit now I actually I am a third generation police officer. My Dad and grandfather were both police officers and I got my start. I worked at a couple of small departments. Uh south of Pittsburgh part time until I finally in nineteen ninety five got hired full time by the city of Pittsburgh police and I had a wide range of experiences working at twenty. Three years with Pittsburgh worked my way up I finally when I left Pittsburgh. My rank was lieutenant and I I saw the damage that was done by drug abuse and drug use and and I saw that we were arrested in a lot of people for <hes> for small amounts of drugs and when what they really needed was help the problem was i. I just didn't have the resources to do anything about it. In Pittsburgh on January of last year I got hired as the chief of police here in Elizabethtown January eighteen and just through the progression of doing doing my job I met Chris and we we came up with this really really interesting idea of trying to let the police be the gateway to helping people who need help get help in my career I've done I've done some works some work in drug work some in crisis negotiations some in patrol. I've I've had very widely varied career on but this is one of the things that I've always been passionate about is trying to get people help who who need the help. That's fantastic so what what community south of Pittsburgh I live south of Pittsburgh. I actually worked out in Hanover Township in Washington county out where it's now. I guess it was the Star Lake amphitheater yeah so I was one of the officers that worked there. Her worked real hard in the summertime and not at all in the winter not not much going on there in the winter. That's so I'm curious. So this program you guys met. Each Other was at Chris did did you did you approach ed or how did this <music> come about that. I'm not a thousand percent sure <hes> think maybe my office reached out to him as the new chief of police and we just wanted to talk a little bit about blueprints and what we could do to help residents of Elizabethtown and really just introduce them and little did I know that Ed was a progressive police chief that really wanted to make an impact in people's lives and change the way things are done in Pennsylvania. He can talk a little bit more about the small meeting that turned into this awesome program it it started off as just a when I first got here I was trying to meet as many business owners as I quoted and with Chris being a business owner here in town we got it set up through a mutual acquaintance and just plan to have a fifteen minute meeting and we started talking and that fifteen minute meeting <hes> initially turned into about a three hour afternoon and that's where we really got the ball rolling for the second chance program Yeah I do remember Chris called me. This was probably before the program started. I was <hes> we have a mutual friend in DEL currency ran for U._S.. Senate and I remember Chris Talking about how excited he was about this program <hes> and just the potential of it before it even rolled out so <hes> I know that how long has has this been implemented for like. What's the what's the time for when was the kickoff date percent? The official kickoff date was January first of this year we were actually doing some test cases through the end of November and into December and got a few you people connected with the service as we were trying to work out the all of the details but the official launch was January first of this year okay and just to give some background on how it works so it's a pre arrest diversion diversion program for addicts so what types of cases what types of situations would this program and feel free. I should probably say whoever can best address the question just jump in because both address it. I mean this isn't directed to any one of you but how does that work on case by case basis chief the things the things that we're looking at for pre arrest and pre arrest diversion is just <hes> one one portion of the overall program and Bay we look at the second chance <hes> when we were building only Chris and I were building at we took the best parts of a number of different programs from around the country to put it together for something that we thought would be unique and really address all of the pro the problems that we saw that we were facing and for for ray pre arrest diversion it would be something that's a small level <hes> a small amount of possession or paraphernalia charge or maybe something like <hes> Chris and I were just talking about this earlier here today. How a lot of times theft cases are really the the the addiction is the motivator behind theft case and so if we have a small theft case that might be a a that might be a candidate for for the pre arrest diversion <hes> basically it's? It's not it's summary cases very low level misdemeanors. Were obviously not going to be ignoring felonies <hes>. We're not going to be ignoring anything violent <hes> when I'm saying felonies. I'm saying things that the criminal justice system says has to be addressed through an arrest <hes> it's going to be the smaller ones wants the smaller cases that we would have the discretion at the magistrate's Office to knock down to a fine or something like that those are going to be the kind of cases that were that are the true pre arrest diversion <hes> some of the larger cases. We're not abandoning those people if a person comes to us it or if we come in contact with the person who needs the help but who is facing a more serious charge than the police officers go into more of advocate role and we still make contact with the recovery specialist we still make contact and make a referral through the second chance program and and we move into helping them get the help that they need once they've addressed the legal issues that have to be addressed <hes> but another big part of the program is that we've also turned the police stations nations into <hes> gateways into to safe places that a person can come and say <hes> you know. Excuse me but I need help. I can't do this anymore. I need help and if they happen to have. Move a little bit of paraphernalia on them or a small amount of drugs or something then that would be something that we're not going to arrest them for asking for help. That's great so so from there once <hes> so say someone walks into the police station say one of these arrests are is made or I guess before they're arrested what happens then is blueprints contacted or how does how does that play out. The officers can call and the officers have received training on how to do an initial assessment of you know. Is this person a good candidate for the second chance program and we have a phone number through blueprints for the <hes> the certified recovery specialists and there are several of them that Chris has on on call for us and we have a number that we can call twenty twenty four hours a day seven days a week anytime of the day and we have a commitment through the second chance program that someone you know a live person will answer the phone and we'll talk to us and will if if it's appropriate will come out whatever time it is will come out to where we need them and begin the assessment <unk> process to get this person into help immediately and that's one of the things that makes aches our program unique among all the other programs in the country that we were able to find is that we have the C._R._S.. Who will come to the scene of where we are and begin immediately working to get the person help C._R._S. stands for certified recovery specialists so that's somebody who has trained to meet a person where they are a person who is pre recovery to try to get them into recovery Br and certified are loving overlords at the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania so Chris this this initiative second chance for P._A.? Eh How's it. How's IT funded is it? A part of blueprints is it a separate entity is entirely separate entity from blueprints. I obviously the C._E._O.. Blueprints the blueprints blueprints is in everything that I do <hes> but second chance as a completely separate initiative <hes> up until very recently it has been completely self funded by blueprints and myself personally <hes> we are very close was to attaining nonprofit status with the great overlords. It's federal government and at that point we will then shift to an entirely different structure where we have a board that includes several notable folks and chief running included <hes> and will then be able to begin fundraising and have it become its own self supporting entity and hopefully show everybody <hes> that private citizens can do a lot to help this epidemic excellent excellent so this went into effect several months ago. Can you give us any idea of what sort of impacts been made so far. Is there any anything you can share troops. That's okay we've had today. <hes> we've had fifty six referrals. <hes> mostly through the the three the three partners in the very beginning were elizabethtown police north west regional no police and Susquehanna Valley E._M._S.. We were the three who got in at the very beginning and we're slowly bringing in other police departments and other E._M._S. providers to start making this program available to people where they need it <hes> we we actually have training scheduled for two other police departments coming up in the next month or two and I Chris and I both have meetings with several other chiefs chiefs to try to expand the program but at this point we've had fifty six referrals and we're doing pretty much anything that we can think of to get this help out to other people. <hes> one of the things that were were doing is that we got Chris Involved in coming to our D._U._i.. Checkpoints and we have a blueprints specialists recovery specialists. I'm sorry a second chance recovery specialists coming to all of our stationary D._U._i.. Checkpoints so if we find somebody at a D._U._i.. Checkpoint who needs who is suffering from addiction and needs help were able to get it for them immediately immediately right there on the scene at the at the the stationary checkpoint and we have we have some very notable success stories are very first referral to the program Graham. Actually we kicked off at what at noon Chris like at noon on January first and we got our first call at seven o'clock that night and it was a a woman who was suffering from alcohol addiction who was at risk of losing her nursing job and second chance was able to connect are with Rehab and with the services that she needs and she was able to complete the the beginning part of that and my understanding is she's doing very well with beating that addiction. That's fantastic if I can add to that John Thank jumping that was actually before January first that was before we had leaving officially launched at that we've done the training with encountered. A wonderful lady passed out behind a dumpster and when she woke up from her alcohol induced stupor she got a little aggressive with the officer turn thankfully that officer had been through our training and he understood a little bit about compassion in times of crisis and a little bit about the brain science of addiction and he had four thought to say hey. Let's call the cert recovery specialist and get her some help now if she had gotten charged charged with attacking a police officer or public drunkenness or whatever it might have been she might have been at risk of losing her nursing license and through this program our first case <hes> saved ladies nursing license saved her job or means of of living and I'm assuming that without alcohol she's probably even a much better nurse than she was previously so just in case number one I think we made a pretty huge impact right away yeah and contributing value to society. That's <hes> that's it's winning all around so you're talking about the training Chris what how extensive is the training and what are what are some of the things that are that are taught. The training is very extensive <hes> that somewhat sarcastic but. <hes> we do we do the first twenty minutes or so on the brain science of addiction actually teaching the officers that out on the street interacting with people about the brain science of addiction so that they understand that addiction is an illness and not a choice and it's pretty eye opening to a lot of them because it's information that most of them were never really shown or introduced to <hes> we go on a little bit after that we talk about the levels of care and proper treatment for addiction so that they understand and what's going to happen to the people that they encounter moving forward and then afterwards we talk a little bit about being compassionate in times of crisis and understanding that the people that they're meeting are in fact possibly at the low point of their lives and in extreme crisis even so it may not appear to be so in every time we talk a little bit about <hes> my life and things that happened with me and how I was able to turn things around and how police officers were able to have impacts on me be they positive or negative and it's really just was a spirited discussion more so than training even right so looking at this program a year from now five years from now ten years from now <hes> what's what's the Vision Vision. What what's the goal? I think the overall goal long-term would be to have addiction not be a crime. I think really <hes> treating it as a health issue and not a criminal issue with the help of Great Progressive Police officers and at least chiefs <hes> in the area I'd hope within five or ten years we can get this as close to statewide as possible and <hes> we're in it for the long haul. I don't plan on retiring for at least another fifty years in chief. He's getting a little closer than I am but it's my vision I dunno et what the long-term vision also touches on the as I say like the one A and one b but the tied for first most important part of of of the second chance program is that we're also one of our major goals in major visions in the program is to kill the stigma between people who are suffering from Addiction A. and police officers and two from both from both directions <hes> we want to show people who are suffering from addiction that they don't need to be afraid of the police that we really do want to get them help help so in working together and showing them a level of that that a level of trustworthiness that they can ask us for help and we will actually do what we say that we'll do and we will connect them with the services they need. We will not sneak up behind them and drop charges on them. Two months later three months later you know that we really are going to do what we said that we would do and also also from the point of the police officers introducing them to the fact that the person who suffering from addiction is a person who has an illness. It's you know they're not all criminals. They're not not all the dirty word of addicts. There's there's someone who suffering from addiction and that if we start to see each other as human beings than we can start to work together to make it so so that addiction doesn't kill anybody anymore and Christie WanNa talk about how we're doing that with the the meetings. Oh yeah sure <hes> so we've actually started doing groups in our treatment centers with police officers coming coming in and breaking down that stigma sitting together with people suffering from substance use disorder <hes> really spending an hour and a half an hour talking about issues talking about issues that people have against the police talking about the police stigma against drug addicts and it's just been a real real eye opening experience for everybody. That's been evolved so far because you see the reactions of people who are in treatment looking at a uniform police officer in their space and they're they're noticeably bothered other noticeably upset <hes> scared a lot of emotions happen said then the counselor that facilitates the group actually will work through it with them and try and figure out what the root of that fear is trying to figure out the root of all the the negative connotation that comes along with police and drug addicts Senate. It's a real beautiful beautiful thing to watch and thankfully I've been able to be a part of three or four of those as a person who used to have a strong hatred for police now sitting in a police station with a chief of police talking to you so it's just a real beautiful stigma to get an end to because there are police that are out here to help people who are suffering and I love this is just so awesome to here and you know a couple of things are rushing through my mind. <hes> no seeing the the two of you guys are reasonable people coming out of this from different perspectives and I'm just thinking you know why isn't this happening in more communities <hes> <hes> that's the question to ever wants to take it but what's really holding us back from having a program like this in every state money. I think money has has a lot to do with it and it's a really think that it was two guys drinking. A Cup of coffee said <unk> at both of US said Hey. We got this really dumb idea. Why can't we make it happen and the the more we we started building on it? It was the two of US sitting down and saying why can't we make it happen and you know I it took a little bit of courage on his part to to say to his partners. Hey I want to bring hiring. You WanNa make the police are partners in this and you know an an for me to talk to police officers and say we're going to try this new this new thing and we're going to try everything that we can to make it work work and just I think those are the two big things is why we're not seeing more places is just nobody nobody's tried it yet and the stigma sigma stigma real as well is <hes> and and realistically as a former not a former but a current fallon a lifelong felon until Governor Wolf pardons me and hint if you're watching <hes> you know until that point most felons islands don't associate with police officers realistically speaking we're we come from different ends of the spectrum and to be able to bridge that gap and stand shoulder to shoulder and talk about how we can help be invested in the health of the community and how we can help don't do anything we can to help our community move forward. I think there's just a lot of people that haven't even thought that was possible and that I think might be stopping other people from doing it as well but I can tell you that I've met countless police officers. Search who loved this initiative and take the initiative extremely seriously and I couldn't be more proud to call them my friends today. That's awesome has the I know. There's been a couple articles written. I I read them in preparation for the interview interview but what what type of media coverage would you say there's been do you think it's this has been covered adequately across the state or not across the state. I mean in south central Pennsylvania. We've had all of our local news stations. Save One <hes> cover the beginning of the program <hes> follow up and then just recently the other night we had one <hes> follow up with a specific case and see how she was doing and she's been sober now five months in doing fantastic yeah really just crushing life and they they've chronicled at the newspaper. Did you know one article here in Lancaster <hes> so with limited media that we have in Lancaster County. I think they've done pretty tremendous job chronicling and we've also been using our social media are getting it out and whatever social media outlets we have access to you know we've been publicizing it there as well so one last question what about other police departments have from across the country as anyone reached out asking about what you're doing maybe trying to to use this model or asking about a similar model in their state across the country. No <hes> as I said before we we've made contact and we're starting to slowly expand within our county and we have some interest in your county which is right next door <hes> but but I'm also I know I'm going to a statewide conference next week. I'm going to be talking about program there and we're just we're starting to push I I also I wanna be careful that we don't outgrow too quickly and and then not be able to fulfill our promise by growing too quickly but we definitely <hes> you know Chris and everybody WHO's working at second chance in supporting that from his end they've got some great plans in place and all we have to do is just connect with other police departments. That's a really good point. I hadn't thought of thought of growing quickly but I really could happen especially when you talk about expanding into two more populated areas where you're going to have you know higher quantity more instances of of cases. Where were you need people to to be able to to to be president? It'd be on the scene so yeah. I hadn't thought about that. <hes> so how I mean what what's been <hes> what's been the strategy so far with with ramping up Chris everybody able to find enough people to enough. What is it A. C. C. R. S. so you're saying right? Yeah Sierra's got me we could we could hire CR S for days. <hes> literally all across the state. It's relatively new position that <hes> the state created probably two three years ago and there are increasing number of people attending that certification and there aren't really all that many jobs for them so I think that this could solve even some economic problems as well if we were to go statewide but again being self funded and being a soon to be funded on donations alone. It's going to take us a little bit because Philadelphia's a big Old City and I don't know if you've ever been to Pittsburgh chief but that's a big yeah yeah so well <hes> that'd be a good problem to have <hes> hopefully that's the problem that <hes> you guys encounter here in the in the near future <hes> growing to grow I mean you rather grow too quickly than <hes> than not have interest in implementing the program so I just want to give you guys both a chance to <hes> to talk about where people can learn more about the this initiative where they can <hes>. Maybe I don't know if I guess they can. They get involved with donating yet is that is that possible or so probably within the next one to two weeks. We should have a donate button up on our website at W._W._w.. Dot Second Chance P._A.. Dot Com might become an org at some point. I don't know we should have a donate button up then as of right now now we are not officially allowed to accept donations but if you want to keep your eyes peeled on the facebook page second chance P._A.. <hes> there will be an announcement hopefully very soon as soon as the I._R._S.. Allows us to accept donations for this purpose any other and of course <hes>. I don't know how you you can make a link available but you know anybody who's looking for. Information is welcome to send me an email and I'll share every anything that we have <hes> the promotional materials that we have I have them all in Chris does to have them all electronic <hes> electronically stored so we can email them out very quickly and for other police departments that are that watch your podcast definitely. Send me an email. Give me a call and I you know I I love this program. I love how it's working here and usually if you get me talking about it I'll go on on and on about how it came about and how we run it and so if you have your even just another police officer who's watching this podcast shoot me an email. I'll give you some information you you can tell the chief to call me and we'll talk chief the chief and I think that's how we're going to make make those contacts and get this to grow and the the good thing. Is that what we have at least from the police side is something that any police officer can make a decision to do there are there are treatment providers everywhere in the state and if they call us we may not be able to get them get to them right now because where they are <unk> Chris and his team of people have contacts throughout the the state and <unk> pretty much throughout the country so if they call me I can get them in touch with Chris and get them help right now. I think it's important to note that you don't have to be from Elizabethtown to come to the police station and get help. You can literally show up at this very location <hes> right now if you're from Pittsburgh if you're from Philadelphia if you're from Scranton if you're from williamsport short and you're struggling and you don't know where else to turn what else to do come here come here. The officers will connect you right with the certified recovery specialists in it's one of the most beautiful things in the world to watch a police officer help. It's awesome <hes> I just want to thank you both for for coming on the show and sharing this but more importantly for for you know being so instrumental in putting this program together so the links that you talked about <hes> chief Cunningham. I'll make whatever contact information. Information to give me I'll put that on the show notes page with which I'll share or I should say which was shared at the beginning of this episode and everyone heard where they can find it so that'll be available and <hes> for people to reach out and also in a couple of weeks here because podcasts are up forever so people here this two weeks in our three weeks an hour a year from now they can go find the second chance P._A.. And and donate their so thank you guys both again for for coming on the show and <hes> for for fighting widen to change this problem with addiction to solve. Thanks thank you hope you guys enjoyed that conversation as much as I did that conversation that I just had you just heard with Christopher derise Bach doc the C._E._o.. Of Blueprints for addiction recovery and Edward Police chief Elizabeth Police chief Edward M Cunningham two guys that are you know they're making a huge difference right now in their local communities in Pennsylvania and I would not be surprised if we're talking about them a couple of years from now as to leaders who have really paved a path forward <hes> for the way we look at addiction and policing in this country and a way to break down stigmas so addicts are looking at police in a different light in a better light in a way where police are actually here to help. They're not here you're to ruin your life and also a place where as we talked about on the show where police are looking at addicts understand that they're dealing with someone who is struggling through an addiction who was not in the right frame of mind and who needs help who doesn't the need to be charged with a crime and thrown in a cage and <hes> have <hes> that hung over them for the rest of their life and potentially lose their job and <hes> really lose hope <hes> Chris Chryssa or they talk about on the website on these second chance P._A.. Website <hes> they talk about getting rid of hopelessness and replacing it with helpfulness and that's exactly what they're doing and it sounds else cheesy to say that but it you know it's just so amazing to hear the these to talk about it and they make it sound so simple and it is simple really but the hard part is as they talked about is convincing because their stigmas on both sides really really ingrained strong stigmas on both sides here against people who suffer from addiction and from those addicts on those people who you know Mike fellows might have previous run INS with the law probably do with their attitude towards police officers and it's not like it's out of thin air. This is just the way things are. This is the way things have been. This is the way things have been. This is the way police officers have treated addicts for <music>. Ever police officers looked upon as someone who was there to help. They're not looked upon as someone that you can go to if you are looking to find a path forward to stop your diction find a treatment center get connected with people that want to help you kick your addiction not people that are going to throw you in a cage which previously and still throughout the entire country. That's what police officer police police officers are doing if you're found with a small amount of drugs a small amount of <hes> of Paraphanelia than there's a very good chance that even if you have your life together and you're working but you might be weighed down with his addiction addiction if you do have that arrest that interaction <hes> with that incident <hes> with police then it very well could derail your entire life and I am so thankful that <hes> that Chris and chief cutting him have come together here and are really just paving a new path forward and my hope for this podcast. My hope is that first of all that you are amazed this is happening. You're as amazed macy's. I am so excited to hear that this is happening. I I don't know if you can hear my voice. I am so frigging excited to see this happening in my state in Pennsylvania. It's not happening on my side of the state unfortunately but it's happening happening in Pennsylvania and I'm so excited to be able to help these two out to give them a platform and what I want you to do. I'm going to ask you to do those of you out there listening to this show. Maybe you're just a regular guy like me. Maybe you've never had a you know a run in with the police. You haven't been arrested. You haven't had a problems like that. Please share the show or maybe you're somebody who has who has had run INS with police. Maybe you're foul and maybe you're. You're an addict. Maybe you've struggled <hes> with different substances and you've seen the problems you've seen how a life can be derailed by an addiction. Please share this show. This is a path forward. Maybe you're a COP <hes>. Maybe your former COP. Maybe your police chief. Maybe you're someone in the media. Please look at what these two gentlemen are doing. Look at what they've put together with this initiative and please share this show. Please shine a light played on it so we can spread this around not only the state of Pennsylvania but around the country because this is a reasonable reasonable path forward. This is so easy to see that this needs needs to be the way police need to interact with addicts. The old way isn't working the old way is leading to more and more people dying of overdoses two more and more people being sucked into the back alleys the black market taking dangerous drugs that <hes> with if a couple of things are changed their life could be steered in a way where they're not making those decisions so when asked you to share the show asks you to subscribe to the lines liberty podcast. 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They pay me something to own a piece of that company as a shareholder but also hold about fifteen percent of my portfolio in value stocks and about five percent in growth stocks now grown stocks are those new companies the brand new companies that we invest in for cheap usually before they are profitable hoping book huge gains when the stocks grow and finally do turn profitable so we'll get to ride that growth wave up and we're usually handsomely handsomely rewarded with major major gains now in my growth bucket. I hold mainly cannabis stocks and several of them have gained triple digits with my highest hissed ever gain booked at almost twelve hundred percent capital gains so that's growth and that's exactly what a growth bucket supposed to do now that'll you stocks are basically the opposite of growth stocks. Value stocks are good companies. Who've been around the block for awhile whose share price has dropped for some reason and now you can pick them up on sale. You get to buy at a discount. So what exactly is value. Investing listing will value investing is an investment strategy that involves picking stocks that appear to be trading for less than what we call their intrinsic value or their book value so value investors actively seek out stocks that they think the market is underestimating right so they think that the market it has misplaced it. They think that the stock is worth more than it's currently trading foreign so they think that it's being sold at a discount. They can pick it up for cheap now. they believe that the market overreacts to news both good and bad news resulting in stock price movements that usually don't correspond to a company's long-term long term fundamental outlook and that overreaction offers an opportunity to profit by buying stocks at discounted prices right being able to buy stocks on sale now. Warren Buffett is probably the best known value investor today but there are lots of others including Benjamin Graham who was buffets. It's professor and Mentor David Dodd Charlie Munger Christopher Brown whose another Graham student and Billionaire Hedge Fund Manager Seth Clarkson Value Investing developed from a concept by Columbia business school professor's Benjamin Graham and David Dodd back in nineteen thirty four and it was popularized used in Graham's nineteen forty-nine book the intelligent investor. It's a great book. That's only taken me about nine years to read since it's like six six hundred pages long in the world's smallest font and only slightly more exciting than watching paint dry but the basic concept behind everyday value investing is really. Lee Straightforward and simple. If you know the true value of something then you can save a lot of money when you buy it on sale now just about everybody would agree that whether you buy a new TV on sale L. or at full price you're getting the same TV with the same screen size and the same picture quality and stocks work almost exactly like that right meaning the company's his stock price can change even when the company's value or valuation remains the same so stocks like TV's go through periods of higher and lower. We're demand leading to price fluctuations but that doesn't change what you're actually getting for your money so just like savvy shoppers would argue that it makes absolutely no sense to pay full price for TV since TV's go on sale several times a year. A savvy value investor believes that stocks work the exact same way and of course unlike TV's stocks won't go on sale at predictable times of the year like black Friday and their sales prices definitely won't be advertised right. It'd be a lot easier zero. If we woke up in the morning and the stock market alert came out and said Oh here's a list stocks on sale today that would make it too easy when they don't ever want to make it easy on us so value investing is the process of doing detective work to find those secret sales on stocks and buying them at a discount compared to how the market values them in return turn for buying and holding these stocks for the long term investors can be rewarded handsomely the way that most investors like Warren Buffett evaluate value all you stocks is with something called Graham's number. You're listening to the total returns podcast with Susan Lassiter Lions. We'll be right back after this message. Have you ever heard of So-fi so fi is an online financial company offering all the usual things personal loans student loans mortgages online online banking home renter's and auto insurance and the best thing I think is that they are a stock investing platform so fight. 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The financial services industry is a good thing especially when the levels the playing field for stock investing like So-fi has so get get started today. Just follow the link in the show notes to set up your S-o-f-i Invest Account and get your twenty five dollars free stock bonus. Your future self will thank you you now grams number also known as the Graham number or the Benjamin Graham. Number is a figure that used insecurities investing that measures. There's a stocks so-called fair value. It's named after Benjamin Graham right who is the founder of value investing who also happens again as I mentioned to be the mentor of very famous value investor. Mr Warren Buffett so the formula is actually express like this grams number equals the square root of twenty two point five times the earnings per share times the book value per share so I don't know about you but I haven't figured the square root of anything probably since it's high school so at least manually or with a calculator there are lots of screeners online that will just tell you what a stocks grams number is is like the service that I use myself is called White Charts and I'm very lucky in that it calculates that for me they're also grams number calculators online that you can find for free if you don't have a financial calculator and you don't have to mentally go looking around for the square root of something so you usually cannot go wrong buying stock at Graham's. It's number because you have a giant margin of safety and usually it is like the lowest of the low ball numbers right so if we put in terms of like real estate investing for example if a house is on sale you know they have listed it for a million dollars and we come in and we say you know that's a nice house and Yeltsin a neighborhood with other million dollar homes and yes. I'm not disputing the fact that it's worth a million dollars but I'm an off your five hundred thousand dollars for it. That's a low ball offer if we're able to get it for five hundred thousand dollars that's a value and that would be a value added on the real estate side. It's kind of the same thing with this grams number. These numbers are usually really really low so for example today. Netflix is trading at about two hundred and fifty four dollars. A share and it's grams number is twenty dollars on twenty nine cents. Now is highly doubtful that the stock would ever trade for that but you never know I i. I don't think anybody in their right mind would sell us a share of Netflix today for twenty eight dollars in two thousand nine cents when they could get two hundred and fifty four dollars for it on the open market so a more realistic example is Intel so today. It's trading talking about forty nine dollars. A share and it's grams number is forty dollars and forty eight cents per share so that's more in line right. If we put Intel on our watch list we only have what about a seven dollar and fifty who sent difference between grams number and the price is currently trading for anything can happen right. We can have like a little market correction some bad news something can happen at Intel and we would be able to actually buy it at Graham's number and we would would be picking it up at a significant discount like a black Friday price for example for Intel stock so is this a show about Graham's number. No it is not because that would be the most boring show in the world for value investing Warren Buffett has his grams number right he does although you know the square root of whatever and he figures out that number and he puts it on his watch list and Yada Yada. That's not how I do value investing right. I don't do it like Warren. I don't do it like grams. I don't look at these low ball numbers that somebody else has looked out and try to get in at the same price everybody else's looking for in the same stocks that are closer their grams number like everybody else's looking at. I I have a secret system and I have my own proprietary method for doing so and it's called CEO's Gone Wild Yep. CEO's gone wild is my secret value investing strategy that I've used with great success over the last few years the strategy is super simple whenever CEO does something stupid by the stock when it loses value as a result pretty simple right we just have to look for badly behaved CEO's now and trust me either all over the place according to Bloomberg thirty nine percent of bosses CEO's and in fact fired for scandals in twenty eighteen up from twenty six percent in the year two thousand seventeen so going to give you several examples of this but probably the most recent example for me. Personally is from a few months ago this year on March Twelfth It was revealed that Manuel and Rica's who is the CEO of one of my very favorite companies called Hercules capital was charged. He and his wife were charged in the college at Miss Admission Cheating Scandal Right. It's the same in college cheating scandal that Felicity Huffman and most likely Laurie Laughlin go to prison for so as soon as news hit that he he and his wife had been caught up and charged in that college admission cheating scandal you know by their daughters into nice colleges like Georgetown I think The stock immediately dropped about nine percent on the news but here's the thing it rebounded about two months later now. This is kind of the difference between my CEO's Gone Wild Strategy and the grams number strategy that Warren Buffett and everybody else in the world uses. We don't know the reason why any other stock has come down to its Graham number and because of that. We don't really know when or if it's going to come back specific example here. Ge General Electric Work Right. We can pick general electric now for less than its grams number. It is definitely on sale but is ever going to come back. I don't know because it was something a lot worse right happening in their company that really did fundamentally impact that company financially that caused housed it to be trading and currently trading less than its grams number. There's a reason why it's on sale. I don't necessarily want to buy stocks that have fundamental toll issues. I would prefer to pick value stocks that are good companies where the market is just overreacting to news right. That's why I love my. CEO's gone wild strategy because those stocks usually bounce back pretty quickly once the market realizes oh we overreacted to news there's nothing that's fundamentally changed in the company and so it's just GonNa be business as usual so as I said my Hercules capital stock dropped about nine percent right at about mid March when that news news broke and then completely came back about two months later and it's trading even higher now than it was back then so there are lots and lots of examples of CEO's Con Wild that we can look just even to recent history to see kind of how these things play out the first one that comes to mine is CBS. The corporation CEO les Moonves He was CEO. There for more than about twenty years and he was forced to resign as chairman and CEO Joe after several sexual allegations emerged against him and when the news dropped in August of two thousand eighteen this the CBS corporation stock dropped about five dollars dollars and then it came right back the following month Papa John's right the chairman and founder John Schneider he stepped down as CEO on January January first of this year making he made some crazy comments criticizing NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's handling the national anthem protests but he was forced to resign as chairman following the backlash after he used a racial slur on a conference call so he did kind of double whammy in the stock dropped about fourteen dollars on the news news but it rebounded about two months later after he stepped down Wynn resorts right Steve Wynn he was forced to step down as chairman and CEO after multiple reports of sexual all allegations stock dropped about thirty five dollars and then rebounded within weeks Intel Brian Kazannik. I is how you say his last name. He resigned after the board discovered. I heard that he had a relationship with an Intel employee something that violated company policies in stock dropped about nine dollars share and then rebounded within a few weeks and there have been tons of others recently including Jonathan Bush at Athena Sexual Misconduct Jeff Jacobson Xerox. CEO He and six six members of the board of directors had to resign after you know they got into a big argument with their top shareholders and there was a lawsuit filed Barnes and noble CEO Demos per narrows had to leave for violating company policies and we don't even know really what those policies these were priceline. CEO Darren Houston resigned back in two thousand sixteen after he had an inappropriate relationship with a female employee American apparel CEO dubbed Charney fired and fourteen you know again sexual harassment of employees best buy CEO Brian Dunne had to resign after after he also had an alleged close personal relationship with a female employee CEO Mark Hurd of Hewlett Packard resigned charges of sexual harassment Starwood hotels Stephen Air CEO got fired for sending inappropriate messages to female employees. Boeing CEO resigned following an investigation into consensual relationship with the Boeing executive so I mean seriously we are not at a loss for C. is gone. Wild K. there were it's like shooting fish in a barrel so for the but the thing here that I really want to drive home. The most important piece of all of this is that we are choosing value stocks that are on sale for a brief period of time and if we act quickly we'll be able to capture that short term capital gain right and then we can do whatever we want we can either just turn it into a short term holding ending and we can sell it off and realize that gain put it redistributed right back to our income bucket so that we can redistribute those prophets to have them make money or we can keep that in our value bucket and now we've got a really nice capital gain and hopefully it's going to pay some income in addition to the gain so that we can get a nice total return from that holding but the bottom line is that it's a news based renews driven sale as opposed to a fundamental problem with the company sale so I like these better because it gives me more of an opportunity to kind of know that look when the market realizes that they've overreacted overreacted to this news. I'm going to be able to get a nice bump in the share price and I'm going to be able to get it quickly and I'm not going to be holding onto a dog of a stock like potentially g. not forever and ever while they try to turn the titanic in incorrect course so for the folks who liked to do a ton of research research and analyzed charge and run complicated formulas. That's cool. You do you boo right you in the warns of the world. I'm just GONNA keep my ears and my eyes is open for CEOS. Gone Wild and jump in on the dip. It's almost too easy and it's definitely way too predictable. See you next time. Thanks for listening to total returns visit our website. The income investors DOT COM and join our academy for more Income Investment the ideas and the coaching you need to accelerate your income because more income makes everything better see you next time
The Voicefluencer Show with Nick Schwab of Invoked Apps
"You're listening to episode one. Fifty seven of the voice in canada podcast. Hey there. I'm dr terry fisher. One part position. One part voice enthusiast. One big part canadian and one small part of our community northern voice together. Let's explore how voice technology is transforming our lives north of the border. Let's talk voice. Hello and welcome to this week's podcast episode. I'm super excited to introduce to you A friend of mine. That i've known for a couple of years now in the voice industry nick schwab. He's got a real success story About everything he has accomplished in a short period of time here before we get to. I do want to just remind you that if you are looking to create your very own. Flash briefing is a free course It is called flash briefing formula and you can access that at flash briefing formula dot com and it takes you through exactly how to set up a market produce and be consistent with your very own flash briefings encourage you to check that out at flash briefing formula dot com now. Let's get to today's interview. This is a recording of an episode of the voice fluids or show as you may be aware i have a co host with me for those shows and again in this case it was utility a good friend of mine as well. And we're chatting with nick schwab. Schwab is the founder of apps he created. The very first sleep sounds on amazon lexi. And as you'll know sleep sounds have become a huge product category within the skill space. So nick is the oj. He is the man that started off and he's got a wonderful story and how he's been so successful with that so if you're interested in sleep sounds if you're interested in how he monetize this and turn this into a business A truly successful and viable business. You creating skills. Then you're gonna wanna tune in to this podcast episode so without any further ado Let's let's invite nick. And co host ian onto the show. All right nick. Welcome to the voice. Was there so good to see you here. Thanks the an incapacity is well. It's good to be here as wonderful. Well nick you will know and some of listeners will know that i chatted with you. I don't know how long going how it is. But on the on on my podcast when it was called election cannon. That's gotta be maybe even a couple of years ago. Now you were doing pretty cool stuff. So why don't we love to get the updates but first of all. Why don't we get you to introduce yourself. Tell us who you are. What's your deal with your story. Yeah my name. is nick. Schwab the founder of invoked apps been creating alexa skills and other voice apps for different voice platforms since twenty sixteen creator of these sleep jar series which helped thousands of people sleep. Relax meditating focus every single day. Great so i'd love to and before you were doing that you've got an interesting story because you're one of these guys you want us to real success stories in the voice industry because you doing this full time now for not mistaken is that is that correct. Yeah so actually. I used to work for ford motor company as a software engineer And i left that job back in april of two thousand twenty so right in the midst of the pandemic is like you know what screw it. Let's go fulltime voice. Everything's gonna be okay. Never looked back. Things are going. Great amazing amazing. So let's let's just get a little bit more that origin story so when you first started creating stuff for for voice technology like what was. What was the process like what were you. Why did you do it because it's been a great success. Where'd you get the idea. We're whereas the inspiration all that stuff. Yes as really surges kind of dabbling in. You know just kind of scratching your own kind of thing. So i actually i preordered the echo dot when it was first announced the first one was like the twisty top to adjust the volume and it didn't even show up at my doorstep yet and i was looking into building skills alexa and i decided i'm going to try this out. And i built the skill that allows you to get the daily deal from google dot com dot com and is just those are two sides that i used to visit on a daily basis to see what deal they offered and i thought how cool would it be for me to get these deals just using my voice So you know they had. Rss feeds that. I could tie into and see what the deal was. Every day I made a quick skill. i use the skill simulator. That alexa amazon offered at the time. And that's how. I like built and tested my skills at the very beginning. I didn't even didn't even have an echo device yet. So that was my first. Experience ended up launching this skill. I think it went live before the device actually showed up at my door And then once got the device i was able to try and that kind of The kind of like validated. My passion for voice being able to build something go live interact with it You know i dabbled more and more over the next few months and eventually moved into a new apartment and Had a noisy neighbor moving above me a couple of months later and curated a rain sounds as the very first sleep sound ever to be offered on amazon alexa and it just it just took off over the next couple of weeks and i thought wow okay. I need a double down on this. Makes more sounds ended up making a whole business from it. It's just it's been crazy. So i mean as you know there are a million sleep. Sounds now on exaggerating. But there's a lotta sleep sounds on on unlucky alexa now. So that's a pretty big claim to fame. I think that's pretty cool. You're the very first you or the. Oh gee you're the number one sleep sound very cool and so you created this whole business around multiple sleeps downs and so you've got you've got tons now like what are some of the sounds of people can listen to you. Yeah so we're up to believe ninety four sounds now Ranging from you know things like rain ocean waves thunderstorms to kind of the more obscure things like a dishwasher or dryer or a farm. You know Yeah people people request all kinds of different sounds and it really. It depends on where people grow up like. Someone grew up on a farm and they fell asleep to like cows mooing. Then those are the sounds that they request that they fall asleep to more easily So we we try to we. We tried to basically tally all different. Sound requests that we get over the years and figure out what people want most in create those curious like what you mentioned like dishwasher is that is that the most obscure one of the other ones that are really really obscure scared. Ho gosh there are there are some others No we have the sound of snoring That was that was released recently. And that was actually one of our most popular requests because folks will say oh. My partner is gone on a business trip and i can't fall asleep without their snoring. Just like it's crazy but it's really cool in getting feedback from customers saying that are sounds. Help them fall asleep Really fulfilling very cool. Now one of the things. I know that you did. Initially you had individual skills for the different sounds and then you combine them. I believe under under one sort of skill. I think it was just called sleep. Sounds or what was the the original Yup once yeah so so originally we had you know all individual skills with still do for our sounds too then we also have a consolidated version called sleep. Sounds by sleep. Jar in that scale contains all the sounds in one skill in allows you to to make sounds together as well cool and then you the the brand of sleep jar so tummy it talk more about that because we when we talked initially like it wasn't under sleep jar so what was just curious that thinking in in sort of high. You know why he did that. Yeah yeah so the big thing with that is sleep sounds. The spaces is becoming kind of competitive as you mentioned earlier. There's a lot of people making sleep. Sounds now And the term sleep sounds very generic. It's not a defensible name by any means legally so we kinda look at the business side and said all right. What do we need to do. In order to make this a brand that we can grow and defend over time We all right. We need to need to rename it to something. That's unique defensible So we ended up on sleep jar. We're kind of in that transition now of of renaming. All of our skills with asleep star brandon and taking more steps on the business side to I'll say make all the skills kind of More tightly intertwined yeah. That's no doubt that makes sense to me yet knowing when you put it that way is it. So is your teams. You're you have other people working with you on this. Now what does your team look like. yes sir. Right now We're a team to. We have a new employee starting in a couple months. Because that'll be nice We've had a summer intern in the past to to You know we are hiring right now. Anyways looking to get into voice you know build skills. Or even if they're experiencing mobile feel free to reach out looking for talented folks amazing amazing. So what's i don't know if you can share this. But i'm curious like what are your thoughts going forward in terms of what you do in there any exciting things that you that you can't share or future outlook in terms of what you're doing. Yeah so we are pretty title the chest but so over the past couple of months especially since like january first of this year We've been releasing tons of sounds so At the end of twenty twenty. We had i believe it was about sixty sounds in our up to ninety four. So you know. We've we've increased our library by a lot in. We also recent really released alarm tones. So we've taken some of our most popular sleep sounds it. We made them available as alarm tones on alexa. So now you can wake up to the sounds instead of sleeping to be. Sounds if you want to interesting us. That's very cool Like that. I like that now and ask yourself what about. You've been very successful like you say you've been able to do this fulltime and i'm sure there's a lot of people that would love to know like do you have any tips end. Sort of how have you been able to make that successful in terms of monetization side of of what you do any anything you can share their. Yeah you know when when i first started developing skills. I didn't think that i'd be making a living from it. You know and was the approach that took like i. I want to solve a problem that i had in my own life. And you know by doing that. I happen to solve a problem that exists for allowed people. So i'm a huge advocate of scratching your own each and just building things that solve problems and i think the successful follow and part of that too is just like listening to customers in being customer obsessed just like how amazon is right like they've built their entire business on making customers happy by fast shipping amazing customer support and we can take those same philosophies at invoked apps listening to customer feedback. I respond to a lot of customers request directly and you know looking at reviews in at one point. You could respond to reviews in doing that. Just always listen to the customer making sure that they're having the best experience possible cool and does the monetization work so people can access the skill but then assuming it's purchaser or how does that work. What are what are you. what's your what's your strategy there. Yeah so we offer Two different subscriptions their monthly subscriptions In the single sound skills you can pay ninety nine cents a month. us And that will get you higher quality audio in longer tracks So some folks there bit more sensitive sleepers you know they might wake up during the fade out and fade in every hour. So subscribe to the premium option though. Get a ten hour loops so basically they can sleep all night without hearing the faint out and fading and the same is true with our premium subscription in our consolidated version sleeps by sleep jar. You get higher quality audio the longer tracks As well as ability to mix to sounds the other at a time very cool so we were just chatting about monetization. Nick has been really successful with that and how he has subscriptions and he's got some amazing amazing. Sounds just like dishwasher sounds. Let me let me ask you a question about that. How do you if you can't share this. How do you source. High-quality dishwasher looping sound for people to fall asleep to him. Yeah yeah that's a good question So some of our sounds. I've actually recorded myself. I like a nice hand held recorder For a couple of hundred bucks. And i think you might actually have a similar one But yeah i just taking that literally said by whatever. It is a dishwasher or Outside when it's raining and just collect the sound over the course of an hour or something. In other ones that are maybe more obscure. We've we partnered with an audio design agency to help create those sounds or maybe they already have them sourced and we can get the now Great ian i know he had a step out from You back any questions at all for for nick. That's on your mind. So this is Products and what. He's doing your products and what you're doing well. If it was the question proxima what you're doing. I would ask What's your most ambitious ideas coming up and it doesn't have to be for the season or even this year but like what are some things that even scare you right. You're like god. That's a great idea. But i don't know man that would take years to or that would be costly. Would you will buy into it when i turn it into revenue like inspire me neck or something. Yeah yeah that's that's a. I can't i can't spill all the beans man. So yeah when when i think about you know voice in in what. I wish people were building in some things. I think it'd be really magical. I think there's a huge opportunity in in the game space. You know we've seen a few games that have been really successful But in my opinion we haven't seen anything that's like truly social yet and you know we have all the pieces necessary to create a nice social gaming experience on voice in for some reason. People just haven't done it yet your grant it. It's a big investment. There's a lot of technical heavy lifting that needs to happen but it is possible like this offer engineering background. I know as possible if i had the time to build a game. That's you know has a huge social design aspect. I would I just don't have that capacity right now but you know to be able to dislike. Maybe you account linked to twitter facebook in you're able to play against a friend And then you share it with your friends to get more people to come in and play you know that the foundation is there. We can do things like that. So i would love to see people start taking those steps. Can you imagine that being integrated directly into twitter spaces directly into clubhouse Not just in alexa game or just to assistant game but could you imagine integration where people are already at is one of the things for for us at attention life. Is we help. People live broadcast audio everywhere. The social media sites like youtube the voice devices like alexa. And i always say the social media sites is where people are at and the voice devices where people are going and so with a lot of people on clubhouse and ideally i think twitter spaces will be a great competitor How do you envision these other spaces. They're not voice devices but maybe could tie into could there in your mind. Could there be a collaboration where people could be playing a voice first game. That's maybe tied into their clubhouse community or people jumping on clubhouse together in all play the alexa game or the google assistant game at once. You thought through different ideas like that You know it's interesting. That's something that i've really thought about But i could see that being valuable. You know having this kind of partnership between platforms. Where maybe you don't want to invite. You know friends on your your friends on facebook but you wanna kinda this open game where random people can join in play with you And i think you know having some kind of like alexa clubhouse partnership would be super cool especially if you could display a pl. You know in you know it's something like that right like there's a lot of cool opportunity with these rising voice platforms in these voice assistance in making it so whether it's voice game or even just The utility you know. I think that something simple like having alexa be able to join a phone call would be amazing. You know if you could just like it could listen in on your conversation and automatically schedule something to your calendar based on how the conversations going this random there's so much opportunity for integrations into our daily lives where there's a phone call or absolutely clubhouse Just to make the experience so much more magical played jeff. Blake birt's game He is at amazon and he goes live a couple of hours a day. And he's done some trivia games in some kind of casino games. He said he had one person that has already when like a trillion points so he definitely has engagement and excitement. Have you played his games. You familiar with what he's doing if not he's live every day and you may find some inspiration what he has going on. Yeah i thought along with what he's doing. I haven't actually played it myself But yeah. I mean jeff is a great guy. He is leading the pack when it comes to figuring out new things to do with alexa and helping to train people on how to build alexa skills. you know. I've i've had the pleasure of meeting jeff several times and talking with them and in. Hey now he's like the number one jeff right because betas out good play that. That's true like you talk about jefferson amazon nuts in. That's good well a nick. I wanna i wanna be respectful of time. Thank you so much for spending time with us. I wanna ask you one more question. i'm. I'm super excited about having join us on the voice end tonight at five. Pm pacific wednesday the twenty fourth. And as you may know we get we get the participants to get to be active participants in this and they get to come and ask questions so if you were if you had the ability to direct those questions which you don't think it's i really asked whatever they want but if you did what kind of questions would you like to get like. Whoa you know. What are the things that you'd love to speak about or speak to you. know i. I have a software engineer background so the technical aspect is is really interesting to me so if you have technical questions or struggles or just wondering if something's possible i'd love to talk about that or even a little bit about how we've managed to scale from one user to millions of users on a monthly basis Those are things. I'm happy to talk about as well meaning amazing. Well thanks so much nick Why don't why don't you take a moment here. And just share with share with the listeners and the viewers where they can learn more about you how they can try out your skills all that kinda stuff any any any links and resources that you'd like to share. Please go ahead yes. You can find me on twitter at schwab you can find sleep. Jar jar dot com the has links to a alexa skill. Google action Bixby capsule as well as fire tv app and feel free to reach out nick Dot com happy to help you all over again. All right there you go hope you enjoyed that podcast episode as you heard. Nick has been extremely successful in creating lexi skills so Definitely if you're interested in getting Some more information from him Either with regards to his sleep sounds under the brand of sleep jar or just about monetization. I'm sure that nick would be happy to reach out to him and encourage you to do that again. 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NEJM This Week July 1, 2021
"Welcome this is the new england journal of medicine. I'm dr lisa johnson this week july first. Twenty twenty one. We feature articles on the treatment of multi-system inflammatory syndrome in children. A trans glutamates. Two inhibitor. For celia disease darah to mab in light chain. Amyloidosis embryo selection in vitro and clonmel peregrinations in the placenta a review article on cerebral venus thrombosis. A clinical problem solving on a brewing back pain and perspective articles on the learning health system on whether learning is worth the trouble and on kovic nineteen and the investigator pipeline treatment of multi-system inflammatory syndrome. In children by andrew mcardle from imperial college london in april twenty twenty a temporal association between infection with sars covy two and a multi system inflammatory syndrome in children. Misc was reported as a rare but serious complication. misc generally occurs two to six weeks. After sars covy to infection and is characterized by persistent fever and nonspecific symptoms that include abdominal pain vomiting headache and fatigue kanji -tival injection hyperthermia and rash resembling kawasaki's disease have occurred in a high percentage of children with this condition severely affected. Children have been reported with multi-organ failure and shock that requires i know tropic. Support evidence is urgently needed to support treatment decisions for children with misc this observational cohort. Study compared immunomodulating therapy with intravenous immune globulin ivig ivig plus glucocorticoid or glucocorticoid alone. Data were available regarding the course of treatment for six hundred fourteen children with s. from thirty two countries from june. Twenty twenty through february twenty twenty. One there were two primary outcomes first receipt of on atropine or ventilator tory support or death and the second a reduction in disease severity. The investigators found no evidence that the course and'recovery from misc differed after primary treatment with ivig alone ivig plus glucocorticoid or glucocorticoid alone. Although significant differences may emerge as more data accrue multi-system inflammatory syndrome in children. Initial therapy and outcomes by mary. Beth son from boston children's hospital. These authors analyzed surveillance data on inpatients younger than twenty one years of age who had misc and were hospitalized at one of fifty eight us hospitals between march fifteen and october thirty one twenty twenty a total of five hundred eighteen patients with misc median age. Eight point seven years received at least one immunomodulating therapy. Seventy five percent had been previously healthy and nine died in the propensity score matched analysis initial treatment with iv i g plus glucocorticoid was associated with a lower risk of the primary outcome of cardiovascular dysfunction on or after day to then ivig alone seventeen percent versus thirty one percent with regards to secondary outcomes. The risks of the components of the composite outcome were also lower among those who received. Iv i g plus glucocorticoid left ventricular dysfunction occurred in eight percent and seventeen percent of the patients respectively and shock resulting in vasil presser use in thirteen percent and twenty four percent. The use of adjunctive therapy was lower. Among patients who received iv i g plus glucocorticoid then among those who received ivig alone. Thirty four percent versus seventy percent but the risk of fever was unaffected. Thirty one percent and forty percent respectively. The inverse probability weighted analysis confirmed the results of the propensity score matched analysis among children and adolescents with misc initial treatment with iv. i g plus glucocorticoid was associated with a lower risk of new or persistent cardiovascular dysfunction than ivig alone roberta db ozzy from the children's national hospital and research institute. Washington dc writes in an editorial that the results from these two trials superficially seemed to have conflicting findings regarding the efficacy of immuno modulation with ivig glucocorticoid. 's or both. What are possible reasons for these. Apparently disparate results. And what do they mean for clinicians. Who are treating a critically. Ill child with m. i. s. c. i. The consortium represent different patient populations. It is possible that differences in genetic background among the patients which could be associated with this immune response in patients with misc led to different responses to specific types of immuno modulation second the time periods during which the investigators were evaluating surveillance. Data in these studies differed in two important ways. It is possible. That the dis hyper immune. Response of misc could vary or change. According to the strain of initial infection re exposure to differing or mismatched variants or prolonged and repetitive exposure over longer periods of virus circulation within a community. Third large consortium trials improve the statistical power to evaluate the effect of therapies for rare diseases and are potentially more broadly generalize -able they cannot replace well characterized large prospective cohorts at single centers using a standardized approach to treatment fourth although it is becoming increasingly clear that swift and decisive institution of immunomodulating therapy can be lifesaving in patients with misc. Neither of these studies definitively answered the question about the most effective single or combination treatment. Finally it must be appreciated that neither of these groups of investigators has yet assessed the effect of therapies on long term outcomes specifically the comparative efficacy for progression or resolution of coronary abnormalities prolonged or permanent cardiac dysfunction or scarring systematic and comprehensive long term. Follow up for these and other. Non cardiac outcomes are sorely needed in the pediatric population and will launch soon. A randomized trial of a trance. Glutamates two inhibitor. For sealy act disease by death left shoe palm from the institute of cancer research. London united kingdom in celia disease. Trans clue tammy's to an auto antigen causes deanna. Dacian of certain glued. Amine residues in gluten peptides this process triggers t. cells resulting in mucosal damage in the small intestine current treatment of seal eac disease is limited to following strict gluten. Free diet this face. To proof of concept clinical trial assess the efficacy and safety of said one to seven a selective oral trans glutamates two inhibitor. During gluten challenge in patients with well controlled seal. Eac disease one hundred fifty. Nine adults with confirmed celia disease controlled by diet were randomly assigned to one of three doses of oral zad one two two seven or placebo pills daily for six weeks. Participants ate a biscuit containing three grams of gluten each morning. Thirty minutes after taking said one two two seven or placebo but otherwise followed their regular gluten free diet. the primary endpoint was attenuation of gluten induced. Mucosal damage as measured by the ratio of villas height to crypt depth into waddell biopsy samples all three doses of said one two two seven lead to significantly less gluten induced mucosal damage at six weeks than placebo. Most adverse events occurred at a similar incidents in the zad one two two seven groups and the placebo group rash developed in three patients in the one hundred. Milligram said one to seven group. The highest dose in this preliminary trial the investigational trans glutamates two inhibitor. Zad one two. Two seven prevented gluten induced. No mucosal damage as compared with placebo in patients with celia disease in an editorial bana job. Ry from the university of chicago writes that the need for the development of an adjunct treatment to the gluten free diet is supported by the difficulties in strictly excluding gluten from the diet and by the lack of mucosal healing that has been observed in forty percent of adults with celia disease who maintain a gluten free diet. Zad one two two seven is the first non dietary treatment that has preliminarily shown the capacity to prevent mucosal damage in persons with celia disease. Although this trial is very encouraging whether treatment with zad one two two seven and more generally trans tammy's to inhibition in patients with seal disease will be efficient in real life and during long-term gluten exposure remains to be determined. This proof of concept trial raises the possibility that strategies targeting post translational modifications of self antigens may be effective in other autoimmune diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis in which. Antibodies against sich eliminated. Self antigens are present darah to mab based treatment for immunoglobulin light chain amyloidosis by efstathios customer service from the national and kappa district and university of athens school of medicine. Immunoglobulin light chain amyloidosis results in organ damage most frequently affecting the heart and kidneys rates of complete haematological response to standard therapy are sub optimal and early mortality is high darah to mob is a human monoclonal antibody targeting cd thirty eight a glycoprotein expressed on plasma cells. This face three randomized trial compared the efficacy of standard therapy for teza mib cyclophosphamide and x. Mfs zone with that of therapy. Plus darah to mab in patients with newly diagnosed al amyloidosis. The percentage of patients who had a complete haematological response was significantly higher in the darah to mab group than in the control group. Fifty three point three percent versus eighteen point one percent survival free from major organ deterioration or hematological progression favored the darah to map group hazard ratio for major organ deterioration haematological progression or death. Zero point five eight l'info pina pneumonia cardiac failure and diarrhea were more common in the dera to mab. Group deaths in both groups were primarily due to al amyloidosis related cardiomyopathy. The addition of darah tomb hume app to standard therapy with four teza mib cyclophosphamide and decks. Methadone was associated with a significantly higher frequency of complete haematological response than standard therapy alone cerebral venus thrombosis a review article by alan roper. A deputy editor for the journal cerebral venus. Thrombosis is an unusual cerebrovascular disorder that is of current interest in part because rare cases have been associated with certain of the in nineteen vaccines cerebral venus thrombosis encompasses both d'oro klotz and portugal vein exclusion dural. Sinus thrombosis refers to clots enlarge dural venus conduits and quartz vein thrombosis refers to inclusion of veins on the surface of the cortex cerebral venous thrombosis causes two distinct path. Oh physiological entities quarter-final venus infarction with focal neurologic syndromes and raised inter cranial pressure. These clinical syndromes individually or together usually evolve over a period of hours or days. But ken progress for weeks. The presenting feature of dural sinus thrombosis is acute or sub acute headache in seventy to ninety percent of patients often with a normal neurologic examination seizures. Usually fo- convulsions and stroke deficits may follow if quarter cle. Infarction occurs focal neurologic. Deficits occur hours or days after the headache and about half of patients with quarter-final vein thrombosis as a very rare complication of to add no viral vector vaccines against kovic nineteen cerebral. Venus thrombosis is accompanied by disseminated intra vascular coagulation and hamorrhage c. t. and mri with contrast enhanced inaugural eighty are preferred methods for detecting dural venus sinus thrombosis and cordial vein thrombosis and have largely supplanted catheter based and geography the diagnostic. Finding is a segment of vein or sinus without blood flow. This brief review calls attention to the diagnosis of cerebral venus thrombosis based on clinical and imaging features and current treatments. A brewing back pain. A clinical problem solving article by lauren. Pixel from yale school of medicine new haven connecticut. A sixty seven year old man presented with a one week history of lumbar back. Pain that worsened with lying down. He had fatigue and had lost ten kilograms intentionally over three months he had no fevers chills. Night sweats weakness or paris thesis in his legs. Saddle anesthesia or incontinence. He had a cardiac murmur that had been present since childhood with a trans theoretic. Echocardiogram obtained eight months before presentation showing normal valves on examination a pan. Systolic murmur was heard at the cardiac apex. A finding consistent with those in previous examinations laboratory studies revealed a normal serum iron level. Low total iron binding capacity and elevated farrington level which were consistent with anemia of inflammation. The initial workup was focused on possible haematological and rheumatological diseases three weeks later arash with hundreds of palpable per purring lesions three to six millimeters in diameter developed on the patient's anterior lower legs extending to the hips eight weeks after the initial presentation fever and exertion dystopia developed and the patient was admitted to the hospital. Two sets of blood cultures obtained more than twelve hours. Apart were positive for lactobacillus species resistant to vancomycin. Trans esophageal echo. Cardiac graffiti showed mix soma das. Valvular degeneration in this patient. The development of perpere fever and progression of his murmur led to a diagnosis of mitral valve. Endo card itis due to lactobacillus the finding of myxomatosis valvular degeneration together with the character and location of his long standing cardiac murmur suggested the possibility of mitral valve prolapse as a pre existing risk factor for infective indo card. Itis problems with the use of polly genyk. Scores in embryo selection. A special report. By patrick turley from the university of southern california los angeles most human traits including height and body mass index cognitive and behavioral traits and the risk of many diseases are influenced by numerous genetic variants apologetic score summarizes the combined effects of many genetic variants on a given trait and imperfectly predicts that trait in an individual embryos produced through in vitro fertilization. Ivf can now be tested to identify those with genetic disorders such as tastes x. Disease or cystic fibrosis. Or that shared known parental traits such as deafness or dwarfism embryos can also be tested to select for those with human leukocyte antigens that match those of a six sibling enabling more successful tissue or organ transplantation from the resulting sibling and testing can select for male or female sex. Some companies have recently begun to sell a new service to patients considering. Ivf embryo selection based on poly genyk scores espn s. one company currently offers. Espn s to screen. For the risk of type one and type two diabetes breast prostate anticipate cancer malignant melanoma coronary artery disease hypercholesterolemia hypertension and schizophrenia. This company also advertised. Espn s for idiopathic short stature and intellectual disability another company offers espn s to screen for several of those same conditions as well as for inflammatory bowel disease and alzheimer's disease. This article includes a discussion of several nuances regarding the risks associated with espn s. That may not be obvious. To patients or clinicians. The authors call for the federal trade commission to help establish what would constitute adequate evidence to support claims about expected gains. Espn requires an urgent society. wide conversation. the placenta fast loose and in control a clinical implications of basic research article by joseph costello from the university of california san francisco. The placenta never fails to amaze the conventions that we take for granted as required for the normal formation and function of other organs are often flouted by placental. Truffaut blasts the specialized epithelial cells that carry out the myriad functions of the placenta in a recently published genomic analysis eighty-six placentas koren's and colleagues described. Large monoclonal lineages easily detectable on whole genome sequencing of specimens obtained from placental biopsies with a mutation burden similar to that found in tumors in children but lacking in cancer driver mutations accordingly every placental biopsy specimen that the researchers examined had both mutations that were shared with the other specimens and mutations that were specific to that specimen so called private mutations and were not present in the fetal tissues the earliest opportunity for the segregation of cells of placental lineages from those of feta lineage is within the first few cell divisions of the embryo in some cases the data described by koren's and colleagues suggest that this segregation may have been nearly complete thus the authors conclude that cloning genetic mosaics zim is a normal feature of the placenta. The results of this study have interesting implications for preimplantation genetic testing and prenatal diagnosis of anu. -ployees the findings may also have implications for pregnancy complications associated with abnormal presentation advancing the learning health system a perspective by j michael mcginnis from the national academy of medicine washington. Dc discovery leads to progress. When it's lessons are absorbed and applied society is in the early stages of a transformation of learning in health healthcare and biomedical science accelerating developments that began in the twentieth century. Have set the stage for a revolution in knowledge generation and application for progress. In health evidence development that has been episodic deliberate. An insulated is becoming more. Continuous query based and relational and the health system is both contributing and benefiting. The national academy of medicine is working to facilitate this change recognizing that technological and method illogic advances could improve on the pace generalize ability and costs of innovation health and medicine the n. a. has envisioned and helped steward the evolution of a continuously learning health system in two thousand six the iom now n. a. m. offered the first working definition of a learning health system as a system in which science informatics incentives and culture are aligned for continuous improvement innovation and equity with best practices and discovery seamlessly embedded in the delivery process individuals and families as active participants in all elements and new knowledge generated as an integral byproduct of the delivery experience underpinning. This vision is an appreciation that health is shaped by multiple forces genetic predispositions social circumstances physical environments behavioral choices and medical care the elements of the learning health system described in the iom's two thousand six definition science informatics incentives and culture have changed significantly over time. These authors discussed the evolution of the n. a. M learning health system is learning worth the trouble improving healthcare system participation in embedded research a perspective by richard platt from the harvard pilgrim healthcare institute boston despite frequent calls for creating a learning health system and increasing the use of real world evidence. The pace of medical research is inadequate and clinical trial capacity in the united states is insufficient to address. Certain important questions. One option is the use of embedded pragmatic. Clinical trials e. p. c. tease which are integrated into standard care involve existing clinicians instead of dedicated research staff and use routinely collected clinical data. Epc ts could generate real world evidence without the limitations associated with observational studies or the time expense and lack of generalize ability that are barriers to conducting conventional randomized clinical trials. Such trials generally compare various drugs. Devices or other therapies involve random ization at the patient level and require informed consent. The in nineteen pandemic has highlighted the need for rapid efficient trials. A specific challenge will entail increasing health system participation. These trials typically involve multiple clinical sites. And they can require great urgency such as in the case of in nineteen for such trials to succeed several barriers including cost lack of research infrastructure clinicians and patients aversion to research participation and liability concerns will have to be addressed these authors recommend and discuss a four pronged strategy for addressing these barriers kovic nineteen and the investigator pipeline a perspective by katrina armstrong from massachusetts general hospital boston by january first of this year less than ten months after covert nineteen declared a pandemic more than four thousand studies related to cove in nineteen were registered on clinical trials dot gov including nearly fifteen hundred involving a drug or vaccine the speed depth and breadth of the response to cova nineteen by the biomedical research. Community has been unprecedented at the same time. As these advances are on track to save millions of lives however the cove in nineteen pandemic is dismantling the pipeline of investigators who are essential to the future of biomedical science when cova nineteen hit the united states in the spring of twenty universities and hospitals in effected areas quickly. Shut down basic science laboratories in keeping with directions from public health authorities. Experiments were up ended and valuable laboratory. Animals were sacrificed with the exception of covert related studies. Clinical research slow dramatically. As conducting study visits became nearly impossible and resources were redirected by late spring twenty twenty the implications of covert nineteen for the investigator community were widely recognized and mitigation efforts began reopening research laboratories was prioritized and scientists. Were able to return to their labs for at least a few hours each day. The past year has made it clear how critical the investigator pipeline is for global wellbeing. More must be done to strengthen it. Academic institutions and funding agencies have the greatest responsibility for the scientific investigator pipeline and should support programs and policy changes that could mitigate the pandemics effects at the same time the in nineteen vaccine effort highlights the power of the federal government to leverage public private partnerships during a national crisis in our images in clinical medicine and eighty three year old woman presented. With swelling and discoloration of the right side of the tongue and electrocardiogram revealed atrial fibrillation right lingual artery thromboembolism in the presence of newly diagnosed. Atrial fibrillation was suspected c. T. and geography confirmed the diagnosis in another image. A sixty seven year old woman presented with fatigue and anorexia electrocardiogram easy showed first degree atrial ventricular block streptococcus mutants was grown on blood culture shock and ventricular teke cardia developed on the third day after admission emergency coronary angiography was performed and showed severe narrowing of the left. Main and left circumflex coronary arteries. On trans esophageal echocardiogram. A large perry valvular. A yorick root abscess was identified. That was compressing. The left main coronary artery as shown in videos at any j. m. dot org. This concludes our summary. Let us know what you think about our audio summaries. Any comments or suggestions maybe sent to audio at any j. m. dot org. Thank you for listening.
An Unprecedented Election Season Ends The Way It Began: With Voters Locked In
"Some strategists will tell you that a good political campaign should have the same message at the beginning and at the end. What you say. At the beginning we often tell you know you should be able to air your launch video at the end of the campaign that was doug fornell a longtime democratic strategist and adman. So here's joe biden. In april of last year kicking off his campaign of we give donald trump eight years in the white house. He will forever and fundamentally alter the character this nation the character of this nation. Well here's biden in a closing ad last week characters on the balance and character of the country and this is our opportunity to lead the dark angry politics the past four years behind us and on the other side. President trump launched his reelection campaign talking about the strength of the economy. And as long as you keep this team in place we have a tremendous way to go. Our future has never ever looked brighter sharper. That was june of twenty nineteen and these days. He's campaigning on the promise. Of an economic comeback. Next year will be the greatest economic year in the history of our country. Of course the whole notion of a closing message implies that there are still voters left to persuade and there may be some but consider this in a year when so much has changed in the lives of so many americans. This election has looked remarkably stable from npr. I'm ari shapiro. it's monday november. Second after months of campaigning. We are finally on the cusp of knowing what happens next in the white house and in the halls of congress the npr politics. Podcast will be there with you every day with the latest results will tell you what you need to know in these uncertain times. It's consider this from npr. So let's start. Last december article one is adopted as the first articles of impeachment passed the house speaker. Nancy pelosi shot a glare at a few democrats who applauded in the house chamber. She did not want it to look like a celebration question. His own the adoption of article two that same week polls show. Joe biden held a slim. Lead over bernie sanders and elizabeth warren in the fight for his party's nomination and with a slim lead over president trump in a hypothetical general election match up but biden would go on to lose. The iowa caucuses hampshire and the new hampshire primary long. In fact biden did so poorly in new hampshire. He didn't even make a big speech there that night. Instead he headed straight for south carolina. No idea how great is be back in south carolina. And that's where he turned it around. February twenty-ninth leap day. He won the south carolina primary and ran away with the nomination. Wanna wait one. Big and that last february was important for another reason to it was the day that the cdc announced the first known american death from covid nineteen. It happened in washington state and within weeks. The pandemic would change the election in ways that no one saw coming. I talked to reporters from npr's political team about the historic events of this past year. The ones that changed the course of the campaign and in a surprising number of cases didn't osma holiday. who's been covering. Joe biden this year and tamra keith. Who's been covering president. Trump congrats to both of you on making it to november at least two days into it. Thank you after that first. American died of covid nineteen on february twenty-ninth tam. How did the white house response to the arrival of this disease in the us. Yeah i was there at the white house on february twenty-ninth for a corona virus taskforce briefing one of provide an update to our people since they were trying to be reassuring at that time to say you know. Most americans don't have anything to worry about at this moment. We have twenty two patients in the united states. Currently some officials were saying but that could change at any moment. President trump was emphasizing. The positive as we now know he knew how serious it was and how serious it could be but he was publicly cheerleading. Which is something that became a theme throughout their short periods in mid march for instance when president trump called for people to stay home to slow the spread but most of the time president trump has been focused on getting the economy. going again. so healthy people. If you're healthy you will probably go through a process and you'll be fine. Over the course of march it becomes clear. this pandemic is going to define the campaign. The economy shuts down unemployment skyrockets. What did that look like. From where each of you were sitting at the start of much. It didn't really seem to be. That corona virus was going to overtake our lives as it has on the eve of super tuesday march second was really this critical moment where joe biden consolidated the support of his former rivals. I am ending my campaign and endorsing joe biden a few hours. We saw minnesota senator. Amy klobuchar the former soviet. Bend indiana earpiece. Judge and former texas congressman beto. O'rourke all endorsed joe biden on the ground in texas of delighted to endorse and support joe biden president and there was just no sense. Are that folks should be social distancing at that point. I don't know that any of us knew that we should be -tising our hands or maybe not shaking hands at that point and that was a big moment. It really made it clear that this was going to be a two person. Democratic primary between joe biden and bernie sanders and that same week i traveled with president trump to the centers for disease control and prevention in atlanta. And let's just say that things were not going well especially in the area of testing with anybody that did you test can protest. There simply was not an infrastructure in place to test people for the virus. And at the time i remember asking if if this was worse than we realized vast land of ours is great country of ours. We've two hundred and forty cases. Most of those before. He was really downplaying things he was saying. Well maybe it's not any worse than the flu. And i came away from that trip to the cdc thinking. Oh wow things are about to change in a big way for me that moment when i think it finally occurred to all of us who had been covering joe biden's campaign that things were fundamentally changing was the night of march tenth I was with joe biden in ohio. He gave some remarks at a town hall in columbus on gun safety. I believe bernie. Sanders was also supposed to be in cleveland that night and within hours you know the next thing we knew both of these rallies had been cancelled and biden is flying back to the east coast. But i'm still in a hotel room in cleveland. I flew a commercial flight back to the next morning and really had no sense that that would be the last commercial airplane flight. I would be taking for months. And within days the entire country was shut down and it really took the energy out of the primary in any chance that bernie sanders was going to have to make a comeback and win the nomination. It was just gone. I think that that corona buyers really hastened the end of the democratic primary so in late may the economy is virtually shut down people are dying of covid nineteen and then police in minneapolis. Neil on the neck of george floyd killing him how does this event and the national protests that followed shape the presidential campaign so you for a couple of months as the pandemic was spreading across the country. Joe biden didn't really leave his house in wilmington delaware. After george floyd's death was when we first saw him make one of his rare appearances outside of his house burnt longer. What this is all about. Eve visited a church in his hometown to meet with black community leaders and address some of the frustrations around. George floyd debt and that was the beginning of when we saw joe biden venture out to try to hold in person socially distant campaign events camp bruce george floors last words but they didn't die with him still being heard all across this nation and tampa the image. That people will remember from this time for president. Trump came on june first. He had quickly turned to make his focus as related to the issues that were being protested to be a focus on lawn order. Our nation has been gripped by professional. Anarchists violent mobs arsenals looters criminals riders antifa and others. He delivered a speech about law and order in the rose garden while he was speaking. You could hear the crowd being cleared from a park nearby. You could hear the canisters of pepper spray. Being shot into the crowd brutal. Death of george floyd. My administration is fully committed that and then after his speech he walks through the park over to saint john's church this historic church that had been damaged in protests the night before. And you're watching this video now. The president walking through lafayette park. You know this is a park where the protesters have been lined up for days now protesting against and to get that photo op which is now included in his ads. They had to forcefully clear peaceful protesters out of the way and for so many people. That really just sums up president. Trump's approach to that time in august. You get some of the events that we would see in any presidential election the announcement of a running mate. The party conventions in this crazy upside down year. Even the conventions are not normal with most of it happening. Virtually and trump delivering an acceptance speech from the white house and then in september with nearly two hundred thousand americans dead of cove nineteen the liberal lion of the supreme court ruth bader ginsburg dies of cancer. Another event that you would expect to end the presidential race. What was the actual impact of wolford democrats. It became this huge motivating factor. You know the online donor. Website act blue for democrats say that they raised a record amount of money. I believe between friday night and midday sunday. Something like a hundred million dollars was raised on the site and for president trump. he. I think really thought that nominating amy barrett and ultimately she was confirmed was going to be a big selling point in the in the final weeks of his campaign but what ended up happening is the event in the white house rose garden and private events. Indoors judge amy coney barrett that turned into a superspreader event. Numerous white house officials senators the president of the united states in many people in his inner circle all got corona virus. What a day of dramatic developments again. That test marine one on the white house lawn prepared. You take the president to walter reed national military medical center after testing positive for corona virus. That took the president off the campaign trail and completely contradicted the whole idea that he was trying to push as a candidate that everything was ok. Nothing to see here with corona virus so that brings us to the final stretch. And how does where we are right now. Compared to where you thought we would be a year ago before all this upheaval. Gosh are that feels like answering this hypothetical surreal question that i totally can't even compute because it doesn't mesh with where we have been right in the reality of cove. It what. I will say though is that. At the beginning of this presidential election cycle biden entered the primary relatively well known relatively well liked and thought to be the democrat who had the best shot of taking on president trump. And that is exactly where this is ended right like he is the democrat who is taking on president trump and i don't feel like much has changed the trajectory of this race. If you look at polling has been very very steady and you know look. I know a lot has changed in our own lives. Whether it's school shutting down sputtering economy but none of that has seemed to fundamentally change the arc of this campaign gag coming into this. I imagined that this would be a dark and difficult campaign year that this would not be a campaign of joy and uplift re-elec's basically never are but this certainly has been a more difficult year than i think anyone could have imagined and certainly a different year than even we imagined in january. But if you look at the real clear. Politics polling average on january first of this year biden was at forty nine and trump was at forty three today. That same average has biden at fifty one and trumpet forty four so almost no change at all and so tonight for their final events. Joe biden is going to be in pennsylvania and donald trump is going to be in michigan. And i think we could have predicted that eleven months ago. Npr white house correspondent hammer. Keith and political correspondent. Thank you for all of your reporting this year and good luck in this home stretch. You're welcome. You're listening to consider this from npr. I'm ari shapiro. And i'm jonathan wilson from wmu and i'm rachel courteous from dc est. It's consider this from npr and wmu. We want to start with some breaking news from this morning. Dc public schools will not reopen elementary schools next week schools. Chancellor louis fair be initially said that schools would reopen for thousands of students november ninth but strong pushback from teachers parents and school principals has delayed that decision giving the district time to solve staffing issues. Here's fair beyond that framework that we make fashion. Assignments were blocked by the western union And we can no longer utilize that data so we will have to create another staffing playing in collaboration with our principal for some context. Here this is also coming as covid numbers and cases. Rise in the district the dc public schools middle and high schools will continue virtual learning until at least february. And that's a pretty big deal but you know maybe not totally surprising if you take into consideration the cova numbers and also looking at other school districts across the region who have flirted with reopening and then had to pull back now. We want to turn to another major issue in our region. A little something. We're calling the presidential election. Oh zack coming up. It is something it's happening sometimes. Thousands of vietnamese americans live in virginia and this year. The community is seeing a distinct split between younger. People are vocal joe biden supporters and older vietnamese voters who have a long history of aligning with the republican party and are adamant about their support for donald trump in october. Wmu's danielle czeslaw time at eden center in falls church virginia where vietnamese voters held rallies for both trump and biden. She tells us what exactly is informing their presidential pick. Take a listen okay. Fifty-three-year-old matthew strong stand in front of a yellow pickup truck and greets about two hundred trump supporters. They're holding umbrellas and he jokes about the rain. I know you the view food because we still live in a free country. This is sixth. Trump rally this season at the eden center in falls church virginia. It's a strip mall of one hundred twenty businesses. Nearly all vietnamese trung is an it director and he says he's a republican because the party stands against the communist country that he fled. We believe that communism is wrong. It's bad and we know about it because we escape from a speaker blasts the star spangled banner trunks also registered voters here and. He says it was a help that the republican party rented space in the center for the first time. But just a few days after this rally. There's another one here for biden drummers. Play while a dragon dances at an outdoor fountain. Delegate kathy tran takes the mic. She's forty two and the first vietnamese to serve in virginia's general assembly a democrat representing fairfax county. She tells the crowd she arrived with her parents as refugees from vietnam joe biden and kamala harris. Understand what it's like when you have to start a new wall street speaks heckler. Shout one of them. Is philip tran. A forty nine year old construction foreman. They betrayed a whole vietnamese community. Audi republicans we're not gonna survive in america. There are more than fifty thousand vietnamese americans in virginia. The political split at the eden center is mirrored across the country says researcher mine new endo at the california based api data in a survey this year. Her group found nearly half of vietnamese voters. Pick president trump. She says that's less than in the past. And it reflects a generational divide older enemies. Republicans might say. We like trump. Because you've anti-china point that resonates strongly younger voters who might be more interested in things housing policy or more healthcare or the environment does says the biden supporters meet on facebook in the asian americans with republican parents support group and she says biden has reached out publishing an op ed in the national viet bound. Newspaper for wmu. I'm daniella chaz low. So i have always been fascinated by asian americans in northern virginia being a filipino american from arlington. I'm a little bit bias on this issue. And i live actually not too far from eaton center. So it's a fascinating place. I've been there myself. And i thought daniel a story was really fascinating when you take the politics into account you can listen to that full story at w. w. dot org now early voting in virginia has ended more than two million. Voters cast early in-person ballots and submitted ballots by mail or dropbox despite record early voting though the region still bracing for long lines and potential unrest on election day. That's right. this is the first election. Day that i'm going to be out in the field where i'm required to have a goggle and helmets and other protective gear which is really wild to think about comparing to how we dealt with election day even four years ago and we'll have more on what voters are saying tomorrow. Election day thanks for joining us for. Consider this from npr. Listen again next time. And we'll make sense of the major stories happening in the washington region and elsewhere in your world. i'm rachel i'm jumping wilson.
Lanes to 1600
"The common sense commentary on politics, culture and current events. If it's on your mind, it's in the news, and now in the news with your host might Dakkak. It's probably about time to begin handicapping, the early stages of the democratic primary for twenty twenty. And when starting to do that first and foremost, you probably have to figure out what the lanes are that can lead to the nomination. There are twenty four individuals currently running for president on the democratic side twenty three Democrats and one independent Bernie Sanders, and they basically run the gamut in terms of experience and age ideology, even voter appeal, the type of voters they appeal to. In two thousand sixteen the ideal of political leans became widespread because there were so many individuals running for president on the Republican side and lanes became a way to kind of categorize the candidates into clusters and the idea was whoever emerged from those clusters with then go on to challenge each other for the eventual nomination. People like Scott Walker. Ted cruz. Mike Huckabee were in the tea party slash evangelical lane, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie were in the moderate slash establishment lane, rand Paul was kind of all by himself in the libertarian lane, Donald Trump Carly Fiorina were in the outside early. It's not an exact science. There is, of course, overlap a candidate that is placed in one lane can also be placed in another sometimes more than two. There's also quite a bit of subjectivity that goes into analysis like this one person's outsiders slash disrupt. Their candidate may be another person's establishment Kennedy. And so on. But when you stare at the list of the cycles candidates on the democratic side, a very distinct picture begins to emerge and rather than inundate the ether in the atmosphere, with a thousand and one lanes. I've tried to whittle them down to as few a number as possible. I've got three on my board. I have looked ability, the progressive lane and what I call the Wimbley. Nine the electability lane, you can put people like former vice president, Joe Biden, former Colorado governor John Hickenlooper, Washington state, governor, Jay Inslee Montana. Governor Steve Bullock, who is a late entrant into the race. And quite an interesting one if you ask me, because he's one of the very few remaining deep red state, Democrats to hold statewide office left in the country, it's going to be very interesting to see what effect if any he has on the race. You could probably also put Minnesota Senator Amy klobuchar in this lane. Now, people in the electability lane are going to tout their experience long government experience, as well as executive experience. And they're also going to tout their strong policy. Chops, the governors are going to talk about problems. They've had to solve in their own states issues they've had to tackle and how they've often had to work with divided government in their states. The solve those problems and how they can duplicate that experience. In Washington DC should they be lucky enough to become president, someone like Amy klobuchar is going to tell real policy initiatives, that she has had to propose as well as hats vote on over her years in the Senate as well as initiatives? She's put forth for this campaign. The progressive lane by contrast is by far the largest and it clues candidates that are in what I like to call a race to the left. These are candidates whose campaigns are premised on the platform that no one is going to get to the left of me on any of these issues, so things like healthcare Medicare for all of the impeachment of Donald Trump climate change free college tuition. Their campaigns are based on the position that they're going to hurry and stake out the most progressive position on many of these issues if not all of them, why. Because they believe that's where the energy is on the democratic side. And they believe that the progressive lane is ultimately, what's going to lead to sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue? You can put people like Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts in this lane. Cory Booker of New Jersey, comma, Harris, California Kirsten gillibrand of New York. Baidoa Rourke, Texas. Last not least you have the what I call the win Ling, which is comprised of people who while I don't believe decided to run for president on a whim. I'm sure they take themselves and their candidacies very seriously. I mean in more of the fantasy definition of the word whim, where even they have to acknowledge and most of them readily do that. Their candidacies are longshots, the chances of them becoming president are kind of fantastical in nature and this lane, I have people like Marianne Williamson who was an author of spiritual books, bestselling author Andrew Yang, who's an entrepreneur from upstate New York was running on the platform of universal income, and former Alaska Senator, Mike gravel, graves campaign manager is seventeen years old, just to give you an idea of how he's going about his candidacy. Now an interesting thing about gravel. Is that he says his main goal in this campaign is not to actually win? But rather to simply make it onto the debate stage. And the reason he wants to just make it onto the debate stage is because he wants to pull the debate the national debate further to the left. Now making it onto the debate stage in this cycle is actually a real worry because the requirements to get onto the stage in the democratic debates this cycle are rather convoluted than they're not too terrible. But there are some caveats you have to be polling at more than one percent in at least three different polls that were conducted between January first of this year, and two weeks before that particular debate candidates can also qualify for the debates if they can demonstrate that their campaigns have received donations from at least sixty five thousand unique donors, as well as a minimum of two hundred unique donors per state, and at least twenty states. So as you can see there are some hoops that candidates have to jump through now. What the DNC appears to be trying to incentivize here aside, from high polling decent polling is grassroots donations, so most campaign. Are asking for donations as soon as you arrive on their home pages on their websites. I mean, there's really nothing new there has been that way for quite some time, but this time around, it's a little bit more pronounced, no doubt. The debate requirement is a bit of the impetus for that making an onto the debate stage in field dislodge and this deep as a very real worry. Of course, one of the very real worries for Democrats democratic voters that is, is the question of once these candidates are up on that debate stage, the ones who make it on there and voters have a chance to see them in action engaging with the other candidates, fielding questions answering questions is what criteria they're going to use to judge them. But what's the main goal of the candidate, they are going to nominate what do they most want democratic voters from their nominee? Do they want someone who's a real policy expert, a real want someone who can get down into the weeds on a lot of these issues? Do they want someone who agrees with them ideologically someone who's gonna be loyal to the democratic platform the most progressive planks within that platform, or do they want someone who can simply win reason polls show that it's that last option in a recent CNN poll, ninety two percent of respondents, considered the factor, quote, has a good chance of beating Donald? Trump to be extremely or very important to them in deciding whom to vote for nothing ranked higher. That's pretty telling another important question that will need to be asked when analyzing this field of candidates for voters is how do they go about beating Donald Trump? And we're pretty polarized as a nation, although self identified independents are now the largest political group in the US and spend that way for quite some time, actually, you wonder whether that is going to apply in this election with this particular president wanting for his reelection. The thing about Donald Trump. Is that he's a deeply polarizing figure you either love him or you hate him. There are very few people left in the country kind of have lukewarm feelings towards him. Right. Or a kind of indifferent are apathetic when it comes to him. So if your number one goal is beating Donald Trump? How do you go about doing that politically? Do you attack him personally? Do you challenge him on his policy on his knowledge of polish? Do you ignore his insults? Or do you respond to them? Do you take the high road while he takes the low road as Michelle Obama likes to say Donald Trump has kind of a master with the nicknames? Right. Once he nicknames, you that name tends to stick Marv got crooked Hillary low energy Jeb lying Ted Cruz. And so on. For Joe Biden. He nicknamed him. Sleepy creepy. Joe alluding to the fact that sometimes Biden and can be pretty touchy feely, even with people he doesn't know Biden, his from Delaware, and as Senator Tom Carper from Delaware likes to say, our other state motto in Delaware is were friendly, which you'll get used to it. The thing is. Sometimes that makes people feel uncomfortable. I'm not really sure what the sleep part in sleepy creepy. Joe refers to I think it refers to the fact that there are some people out there who questioned Biden's intelligence not. Sure. But Biden has been in public life for the better part of fifty years, folks and has faced many setbacks in his personal life as well in that time. You don't persevered through all of that unless you have above average intelligence. Donald Trump though considers nicknames away of putting down and establishing dominance over people, it diminishes people and put you in control of them as someone who knows the president well said of his practice. But the question remains, how do you go after someone who does those kinds of things employs those practices, while Biden thinks he has the answer politically and announcing his candidacy, bite, and released video that went right after Trump? And he went after him specifically for his response to the protests that turned deadly two summers ago in Charlottesville, Virginia. White supremacists were protesting the removal of a statue of a confederate general, Robert Lee for my park there and were met by counter protests. Violent clashes broke out over a period of a couple of days of one, young woman, wound up losing her life. President Trump and commenting on the may lay there. Said there were very fine people there on both sides. It was one of the more controversial statements of his presidency. He was calling white supremacist and Neo Nazis. Very fine people. It seemed now there's some revisionist history, going on members of Trump world, including the president himself are trying to say that he never called the white supremacists very fine people or the Neo Nazis. He was saying that the peaceful protesters who were originally against the removal of the statue that the very fine, people he was talking about where part of that group and the people who became violent were troublemakers, who were outsiders, and not necessarily members of that group at sorry. A fair statement if it is true, I guess the American people are going to have to decide for themselves what they believe Trump's true intentions were with those statements. They are probably those statements. Going to be relitigate in the national debate throughout this year, and next and the reason they're going to be relitigate as because Joe Biden is apparently going to see to it that they are re-litigating. He has basically made those comments, and that episode and the president's sentiments around them a centerpiece of his candidacy and speaking from a strictly political point of view it was rather ingenious for him to do that. First of all, no one else really has of all the twenty four candidates that have declared so far. None of said, I'm running strictly because of Trump and that might sound a little crazy, but it's true. They've all come out and said, why they feel they're the most qualified or why they feel. They're the best choice to be president, they've touted track records of bringing people together they've talked about why they feel. They can win working class voters, which are going to be very important demographic to win in this election. But none of really come out and said, I'm running because we've gotta get Trump out of the White House and you can't really blame candidates for not doing that. They're honoring the tried and true political adage, that you can't just run against somebody or something, you have to run for something. And so that's why you see the candidates talking about, you know, building up the middle class like Elizabeth, Warren has and uniting, the country in a time of deep polar is Asian like Cory Booker Biden, basically, came out and said, I'm running because we can't have another four years of Donald Trump in the White House. If we have eight years of Trump, it will fundamentally transform the nation. He said, and we are now in a fight for the soul of the nation. He had, but he didn't in a way that was rather politically astute. Right. Number one, he showed that he had the courage to take Donald Trump on directly. He went right after two he attacked Trump on the issue where he is most vulnerable, which is his perceived views on race. Most of Trump's critics believe that the president harbors a bias towards people of color, and minorities, the Charlottesville episode has kind of the most glaring example of that they say. So here you have in a master stroke Biden right from the gate. Let's Donald Trump on the defensive even if ever so slightly, usually it's Trump puts people on the defensive with those biting nicknames. He usually cuts people down right at the beginning of their candidacy might polka Hondas with Elizabeth Warren crazy Bernie with Bernie Sanders when he nicknamed Biden Biden, just called Trump clown and didn't get caught up in the name calling, I'm going to respond, when I have to, but I'm not going to do what he wants me to do. He said, which is to get caught up in the mudslinging. So Biden bolts up the charts after releasing that video officially announcing his candidacy bolts up to polls thirty nine percent of respondents said, they are most likely to support him for the democratic nomination in twenty twenty from that same CNN poll that poll was taken right after he announced he was actually even in the lead and some polls before he announced Biden announced in late, April in late March, he was at the top of the polls with about thirty percent of support among likely voters. So after he announces he pops up about ten points and most of that support seems to have come from other candidates. Interestingly, it's come from candidates in the progressive lane, and not from other candidates in the electability lane as I called candidates like Sanders saw their support drop even of just a bit. When Biden announced candidates like Warren, saw their support dropped just a bit as well. Perhaps the candidates who saw the big. Drop due to Biden getting in our beta award and comma, Harris of California. There were both hovering kind of around twelve or thirteen percent support before Biden Gaden, but they drop to around five or six after he announced suggesting again that while candidates like Harris and Aurora may be on the same page ideologically, with democratic voters voters want someone they feel can get the job done and getting the job done. Simply means winning the cycle, and that seems to be reinforced by what voters are looking for in a candidate. Besides the ability that Donald Trump seventy seven percent of respondents said the right experience to be president is important to them. That characteristic was second. Interestingly, it's hide for second. Seventy seven percent of respondents also said they want a candidate who was willing to work with Republicans to get things done suggesting that maybe maybe voters on the democratic primary side are a. No more keen to seeing an end to the dysfunction in Washington, then sending someone to Washington who was going to fight with the other side or obstruct, as has been the case over the last several election cycles, for both Republicans and Democrats to that end may or may not be related here, only thirty nine percent of respondents said it was very important to them that the democratic nominee bring an outsider's perspective to Washington suggesting that voters want to see some stability may be returned to the federal government. Maybe some more tradition some more of the old norms. They may not want to see a flame thrower, someone who's going to go to Washington to burn it all down. Now that may not bode well for President Trump. If this is not going to be a change election, but rather a return to normalcy election tomorrow, a phrase. Trump said that Biden reminds him of him and twenty sixteen. He said that in twenty sixteen he shot up to the top of the polls shortly after declaring and stayed there throughout the remainder of the race. He called Biden the clear front runner in the race. All the rest are fading fast. He said, we'll see if that whole strew it's still very early. One bit of good news for some of the more progressive candidates, though, is that many of them farewell when voters were asked their second choices were respondents whereas who they'd want to hear more about besides their top choice. And some of the more progressive candidates, like, comma, Harris and Elizabeth Warren came in first and second answers to that question. Ironically, though, Joe Biden came in third on that list as well. So that means he's either first or second choice for over fifty percent of democratic voters, clear majority. That's a pretty good place to be an democratic primary. Even if it is early. But that's also good place to be if you're comma Harris, where she is you just wonder if someone like Harris's ready for the attention that comes along with being in the top tier of candidates, and having such high expectations placed on the our campaigns. If you hear Harris speak for example, you realize that wa- she's a season prosecutor, she's guede questioner. You don't usually no. No. If she's flushed out all of her policy positions just yet. Whenever asked the question she usually responds by saying, well, we, we need to have a conversation about that, or, you know, there's room in the country for a conversation about that should Donald Trump impeached, while there's room for a conversation about that should convicted felons be allowed to vote from prison. We should have a conversation about what we can begin having that conversation by you first telling us what you believe on the topic and explaining why you believe it. That's usually how conversations whether between you and the nation or between you and just one of the person progress, but have a conversation. And by the way, Harris's, not the only candidates use that turn of phrase repeatedly, she's just a one who's used most often so far, ironically have conversation usually is what candidates say when they want to avoid having a conversation about something. And so it's responses like that, that leads you to believe that some of the candidates, especially those in that progressive lane. Aren quite yet, ready for prime time. It would be interesting to see Harris on the debates. H with President Trump though, and she's actually said, that's the aspect of a potential general election campaign where she would excel the most she may be right if you ever watch her in congressional hearings, you realize she's a very strong questioner and facing a strong question, her, maybe a place where Donald Trump, maybe most vulnerable, but policy is where the electability lane candidates may have a leg up on the progressives or some of them anyway, as well as the Wimbley they've been through the fires already. So they've had to think about positions on just about every possible issue. So not only are they ready with answers to those types of questions. Many of them are actually already putting forth, proposals on many issues. Mclovin chart, for example? She's put out a trillion dollar infrastructure proposal. She's come out in favor of the green new deal. She's spoken eloquently about her family's struggle with substance abuse. And how treatment can be more effective than imprisonment? As a result. She's for criminal Justice reform, she wants to regulate Facebook as well as online political ads on other platforms. She's not for free college tuition. She's four Medicare reform, but not for Medicare for all. So you can agree or disagree with her on some of these things, but she's formulated opinions on these issues. She's not saying she's got a monopoly on good ideas by any stretch. But she saying, hey, look, this is where I stand, and that also helps because a lot of those particular issues are issues that voters care about polls show that the issues voters care about the most in the upcoming election are climate change healthcare, specifically that Medicare for all a gun control free college tuition, and impeaching Donald Trump in that order if these are the issues voters care about, you probably better be ready to answer some questions about them. And I'm always struck by something. Former President Obama once said while he was in office, he once said that one of the most striking thing. About being US president. He found is that anything happens anywhere in the world. You have to have a position on terrorist attack natural disaster economic crisis. Even if it's something that doesn't affect the US directly or the direct interests of its allies, you're still sought out for comment. That's part of the job when you're the world's leader. You've gotta know you are. It's not easy. Really isn't it kind of makes you realize why everyone walks out of that office, the Oval Office after four or eight years after having been there with a head full of gray hair, right hall that weighing of decisions it takes toll on you. But if you crystallize the essence of the job, I mean, that's what you get. That's leadership. It's setting the direction for everyone else to follow in the first critic, debates are about a month away, and Miami, we don't yet know who will qualify for them, and who won't or what other issues or candidates will become manifest in the time between now and then the primary schedule is. Also going to play a different role the cycle because California has moved up in the voting. Schedule it often one of the very last states to vote in a primary next year is going to be among the first it's part of a jam packed Super Tuesday, schedule that's going to take place set to take place in the early part of March. Now that moves should favor, the progressive candidates over the electability candidates because California is a very left-leaning state. But in the end, it's going to be voters, the country over who are going to decide whether it's lanes mentioned Orleans, newly formed over the course of the campaign, and which candidate, they're going to follow down them that are going to lead to the nomination, and perhaps Alta, Millie, the White House. Well, that's show for today. Hope you enjoyed it. You have any comments on any of the issues, we discussed today. You can drop me a line at comments, and ITN show dot com. That's comments at IT and show dot com and remember to keep up with in the news on Twitter, and on Facebook at ITN show. That's ITN show. One word, thanks again. For listening everyone till next time take care. If it's on your mind, it's in the news subscribed to end the news on both. I tunes and on Stitcher radio. This has been in the news.
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"In from Springfield this is State Week. A program of analysis and commentary on the events that made news this past week in Illinois Roy State Government and politics today this bombshell. WBZ report brock state politics and email hinting at a rate cover up the two thousand twelve email from powerful lobbyists. Michael McLean was sent to senior members of then governor Pat Quinn staff in it maclean pleads for leniency in a disciplinary hearing for a state worker and then vouchers for the man's loyalty he has kept his mouth shut on Jones. Ghost workers the rape in champagne and other other items the email read. He is loyal to the administration that this this person could describe such an act of violence silence against another human in such a breezy and dismissive way that race. You know the one in Champaign they just is really beyond me a road this last night and it probably probably is One of the most disturbing and shocking set of facts that I have experience as a member of the legislature. Her needs to be accountability. For what happened even worse. This individual is currently on the state payroll the person who did the right thing by keeping his mouth. Shut what I want to know. Always what is the rape. That's being alleged here. What what exactly are the circumstances around that? What is there a cover up? That was done around that. And secondly what is this ghost payroll in reference to was there wrongdoing associated with then who's responsible trembling email from nearly eight years ago surfaces. It's caused quite a stir in state government and politics and we'll discuss that with the reporter who uncovered the email also a task force. That has been working on ways to bring property tax relief relief issued a draft report. Republicans came out critical. That and more coming up on state week I'm Shawn Crawford with me in the studios of NPR Illinois on the campus of the university. The village Voice Springfield is Charlie Wheeler. He's America's professor and former director of the public affairs reporting program at us is also a longtime statehouse reporter in observer. Also with us in studio is the statehouse editor Brian mackey and joining us from Chicago we have. WBZ's government and politics reporter. Tony Arnold Tony Tony. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me Sean. Don't a you were the one that uncovered this email that we mentioned and we want to get more into it. But let's start at the beginning. How did you come across this? I came across it through a I just filed a freedom of information requests something that myself and other reporters do regularly I it's not like I knew this was is this kind of this. E mail with this information was out there when I filed that Freedom of freedom of information request but when you work for the state government. Your emails are our public record and they're accessible if reporters just ask for them and this one's been sitting there for seven years and I don't think anybody else has asked ask for it The reason I did is because Michael McLean is a central figure in a in an UN as far as I can tell unrelated investigation from the federal prosecutors into lobbying activities at Commonwealth Edison. The power company. That's that's serves Chicago and the Chicago region so so Because Mcclain tied in with commented they. He was their lobbyist for a long time. I just asked for emails. That McLean had with the chiefs of Staffs of the last three governors going back about ten years From from the current Governor Jay Pritzker through Bruce Rounder to Pat Quinn and I got about about three hundred pages of e mails back This one just stopped me in my tracks when I when I read it Tony. What actually was in this email? What was what was the part? I usually mentioned stopped. You in your tracks. This is an email from July thirty first. Twenty twelve written by Michael Mclean at the time again again. He's just a a lobbyist and not just any lobbyist though. He's a very powerful lobbyist who's also very close with Michael Madigan terms of both as a strategist and ah but also as a friend and so in this email. mclane is Asking for leniency. For a state employee who is named Forest Ashby and and Ashby apparently is about to face discipline for not following. Orders in McLean is is asking for leniency. On Ashby's behalf to of then governor Pat Quinn's top aides Gary Hannigan Jerry Sterner and in this in this email he's asking for leniency for Ashby and then McLean ends the email saying but but Gary for God's sake do not let this disciplinary meeting. Get Out of hand. This man is a good compliance science person as I told you the office and the sheriff's love working with him. He has kept his mouth shut. On Jones. Ghost workers the rape in champagne gene and other items his loyal to the administration and I understand that people are cynical about about government in Illinois in government in particular picture but this is not something that as a political reporter for the last several years. Now I've this is not something that I typically they see this was. This was very surprising to me personally. and not just surprising what was in that amendment. I think you had mentioned this before. purdue Talk to other folks about this. You were surprised about the response or lack of response as far as I can tell. There's no there's no replies to this email it's not like Gary a Haniger. Jerry sterner the Quin AIDS row back to them and said Mike. What in the world are you talking about here? there's no there's nothing gene like that and in fact if there's any indication about how powerful and influential Michael McLean was and is as a lobbyist. The next day he he writes them a follow up email and he says I do not know what happened but I know nothing happens accidentally. Ashby Disciplinary meeting was postponed. I thank you this implies that there was action taken to benefit. Ashby because Maclean wrote this there's several interpretations I know to. How McLean is right in his email is he making some sort of threat to Hannity or S- termer that there could be some damaging information out there that that could become public? If if they don't act on Ashby's behalf there could be another interpretation of this email that he's he's just simply asking for some help for a friend. The fact of the matter is we don't know because the the four people equipped to answer what the emails all about the details about. It have not returned calls or emails or social media requests for comment that includes McLean handed. Stir and Ashby Ashby No one has commented it actually took A tip to to stake out a Mike McLean actually actually had lunch at a at a nice downtown. Chicago steakhouse yesterday My colleagues found out about it and rushed over there and caught him as he was leaving. And McLean said that he wasn't going to answer questions about this email and he indicated to didn't either that there might be some discussion going on and with prosecutors or investigators in some way he. He intimated that a prosecutors have asked him to cooperate in their investigation and Dan he left it at that. The implication here is that mclane is not cooperating with prosecutors. Charlie WanNa go to you. You've watched the government for a long time. I think Tony He also mentioned that all the time he seen government. This is not something you would normally run across and certainly not something to be taken lightly. Just get your thoughts on what we've heard so far. Yeah I was actually totally surprised shocked because Yeah I've seen a lot of stuff state government but nothing that would indicate that that someone actually do about a rape that occurred in a covered up. I mean that goes beyond beyond the bounds owns in my judgment. I guess we're used to YUP crooked state officials swiping a few thousand here in a few thousand. They're enacting beurs towards always women but the notion that you would Praise someone for helping to cover up rape. I mean that's just that's as I said it's beyond the balance just you know I'm like at a loss for words and that's the kind of thing that should be investigated I understand senator. Brady's Republican Republican leader in the Senate Bill Brady his asked the Illinois state police to look into the champaign county state's attorney if indeed this occurred in her jurisdiction attention should be looking into it to prosecute. I mean you can't just sweep this stuff under the rug. It's just horrendous and Brian. This came from governor pritzker discovers office this email. But there's no indication the we don't want to speculate that the governor Pritzker knew anything about this necessarily but you did talk with him this week. Are you have you and and you've also seen some other things that have some other Locations where he has spoken this weakest. He weighed in on this at all. Yeah the governor. This week I was didn't appearance a couple days after Tony's and his colleagues story for story on this came out and he was asked Many questions wins about this week. What is your office doing? Are you investigating. Are you calling people. His basic answer was he's given the information to the office of the Executive Inspector General General to investigate and he doesn't really want to go beyond that because he doesn't want to interfere with that investigative process but he apparently had not spoken Bokan to house. Speaker Michael Madigan about it at the time. Although the speaker did later get in touch with the governor and I think it's it's noting not just the governor's governors reaction but how some other lawmakers have reacted to this. It took a day for House Speaker. Madigan who has Tony said is a friend and and and and and mclane is considered one of his top political co strategists and confidence The speaker put out a two sentence statement saying these are extremely serious area so troubling allegations I had no knowledge of the incident referenced in the story and Only learned of this today. I encourage those with any information to come forward and I thought the reaction to that statement was interesting state representative Kelly Cassidy who has been very active on the metoo issue in Illinois. She said it should come as no surprise that he didn't know every single thing that's been revealed has gotten the same response not knowing is foundational and fundamental to the entire design nine of the organization. So you know. Lawmakers used to be very reluctant to come out and criticize the speaker and now we are seeing An increasing boldness among some to say that this is unacceptable. And you know there have been this series of revelations relations over the past few years not implicating the speaker himself but implicating people very close to him in terms of harassment and maltreatment of women and other staff and and this is just the latest revelation that that calls into question. The people with whom the speaker is around himself. Charlie Charlie. Let me go back to you on this. Because Speaker Speaker Madigan he is not mentioned in this email. There's no indication he knew of this e mail necessarily but a lot of people would say Mike McLean is not going to make a lot of moves news. Especially when dealing with the governor's office without the speaker having some knowledge or being involved in some way so I just want to get your thoughts. I know that we're speculating in the sense but But you know the people have a right to be critical of him. At this point I would be surprised. Head McLean said to the speaker. Look I'm going to try and help one of my buddies from Quincy you don't get out of this disciplinary thing and I'm GonNa talk about X Y and Z eh I think when McLean goes anything the the people with whom he's interacting would have their back of the mind This is someone who's very close to. The speaker has influenced with the speaker so I really don't WanNa Cross them. I mean I think. That's Ah the investigation about comment is all about. But I can't imagine that Michael Madigan would condone covering up rape. Well rape was certainly the well can go back on that a Meghan. I A roughly the same age. We're both in her late seventies. I'm fact of about six months older than he is. And as a young guy fifty years ago treatment of women by men was horrible. It was kind of taken for granted but even back then rape was not Condoned in so Madigan was caught by me tune in some of the stuff that when we were younger maybe wouldn't passed off as boys are being boys that kind of nonsense That's one thing but actually the physical violation of another person even way back then. That was not considered justifiable the term rape being in this email I think certainly caught the headlines and rightly so but there was At least another mention in there and that was as Tony I think read from that email earlier. Tony it said regarding Jones Ghost pay rolling in. We again aren't sure exactly. What is being alleged here but there is possibility of putting two and two together right? Well potentially I don't know fact. The fact fact is we don't know because nobody's talking. Nobody's returned our calls That includes to Jones's that I did reach out to that former Senate President Emil Jones and his his wife lawyer Rickman Jones. I reached out to them because at the time this is written in in July thirty first twenty twelve forced Ashby. The subject of this email email was working for the Department of Human Services at a state facility in rush. Ville and his overall supervisor would have been. Laurie Ori Rickman Jones who led at the time the division of mental health and so is this a reference to her as a reference to her husband husband. Email the the longtime state Senator It it's not clear. Neither of the Jones reached out or would return my calls and emails and requests for comment and so That's that's another element of this mystery. It should be noted that goes ghost. Ghost workers goes payroll in is illegal. It's I in fact. There's a sitting state senator who's been indicted for doing that. Very thing for being allegedly doing that very thing on the teamsters payroll and so That is a series element of this to go back to the wear air. Madigan is on this. I found it curious the way that he worded that his initial statement about this email after the story was published. He said that he was. I'm not aware of the incident in the email I I don't know what he's referring to. When he says the incident I I read it as that he's referring referring to the rape and champagne and that means that then he's not acknowledging his statement? What what this reference to Jones's ghost workers is and it's not clear to me whether automatic in knows what that references to or not but I I would add in there in? I guess it's kind of follows up on what I said before. The idea of goes payrolls is is not at all shocking to me. It's No big surprise that there are people who get hired because of their connections so better fact. We've had instances of recently although they were people who were actually working but they were working for the governor's office and they were being paid by some other agency and years and years ago that was kind of a version of ghost payroll but in my mind. Is I say that is that is really nothing. That's let's like filching Jelly beans from the candy store as opposed to talking about covering up an actual rape. Don't need this happened. This email. Well at least happened on Governor Pat. Quinn's watch but have you spoken with the governor heard from the governor regarding You know anything he might know about this. The former governor. It was right once. It was clear that we weren't getting going to be hearing anything from the people on this email we reached out to governor Quinn himself When we talked to him he said that this this was the first that he's heard of this and that he didn't know what the content of the emails referencing And that's that's where that stands at this at this time. It's very possible that he might be asked for the questions about this I to go back to The response ons to this email and the story being published. It's a lot of people have weighed in on it at calling for something to be done and I I have a little list right now of about where we sit at this moment We know that the governor Jay pritzker is office forwarded this email l. to the executive inspector general in addition to that the Senate Minority Leader Bill Brady. He asked the state police to investigate. This Republican Congressman from across Illinois as Attorney General Kwami Raoul to appoint a special prosecutor to look into this several lawmakers From both parties have asked both the. US Attorney's office and the Champaign County State's attorney to investigate this email and the claims in it and then in addition you have the House Minority Leader Jim Durkin asking for a legislative hearings into the email and the content of it including Is forming a committee that would have subpoena powers to compel the people on this email to come forward and testify to lawmakers under oath Speaker Madigan rejected elected that idea and And Dirk and kind of had a his spokeswoman had a snippy comment in return that I guess this isn't a doesn't rise to that And that level of importance to the speaker. But that's that's the kind of the check box list right now of where this is and the response is that this is this is generated so far. Would you be a possibility for the Senate to Heaven Investigating investigation into subpoena powers. The State Senate I don't know what would prohibit that. From from somebody from asking for that to happen. It will continue in this position right now. Where where the Senate president is is leaving office John Koehler ten and so it's not clear who the next Senate president is going to be having read somewhere that one of the candidates Senator Light I Had said suggested that that she would be open to having a hearing in the Senate to get to the root of what happened in this this this email. I think we have not heard the last of this. That's probably clear and this is something that's going to continue to be a subject going forward lawmakers not concession at this point but they will be coming back here and especially as we were the end of the month and in February. And we'll see what happens then. Tony Arnold I know you've got to get going on and beyond some other shows to talk about the same subject so we're going to let you get a get a get away from us here but I appreciate you taking time to be on state week. I appreciate being here. Thanks for having me thanks. Let's turn to another topic that got a little bit less headlines this week but it's certainly something that's on a lot of people's minds in the state of Illinois and that is property taxes always controversial subject Brian. There's been taskforce that was put together. It's been working Lawmakers Putting been working on this for a while now we get a little better idea of what they're talking about or what some of their solutions are. Can you walk us through. What's what's in the final product? Yeah it's a it's a task force like no other that I have scene. I think there were about eighty members of this task force so nearly half of the Illinois General Assembly were as a member of this thing and this came about as governor Pritzker was trying to push through the proposal to put a constitutional amendment on the ballot for the graduated income tax ax and there were some lawmakers. Who say you know you are asking us to Potentially have income tax increases on our constituents silence while the thing we hear most about is that property taxes are too high and so they wanted at least something to be done if not substantive legislation well Then you have a task force in Illinois and so basically the the task force was supposed to have its report out by the end of the year. It missed that deadline. There was a draft wbt of that that was circulating this week and basically it says things that have been out there these. There's no real groundbreaking getting ideas here. Consolidate government taxing districts. We've talked about on the show before how Illinois has thousands upon thousands of taxing districts from Mosquito Abatement districts to your public library and fire protection. And of course school districts are the big Property tax assessors in this state Potentially standardizing standardizing property value assessments across the state Putting tightening up the appeals process. Of course there are some lawmakers who Have private law firm work That specializes in property. Tax Appeals most notably house speaker. Michael Madigan Republicans were very quick to dismiss the findings of this report saying it doesn't go far enough. So the Republicans aren't necessarily happy with what they've heard so far. Have they come up with their roane ideas of they offered up some things that might not be in this more comprehensive report. Yeah I mean the the problem you run into with the property taxes is that it's it's like everything else with state budgeting. It's either a question of raising the amount of money that the state takes in or cutting thing. The amount of spending that the state does and the same thing is true. Since as I mentioned school districts are the big property tax Levy payers in this state. That's where most most of the property tax money goes. And if you're going to reduce the amount of money that school districts are collecting property taxes. You either need to increase just the amount of money they get from other sources namely the state which would mean the state would probably need to raise taxes either sales or income tax or you'd have to reduce the amount of money that the schools are spending and the biggest expense for schools. Are People Teachers and we just went through a four year. Term Governor Bruce Runner who made it sort of his mission in public life to try and reduce the amount of money that Illinois spends on people like teachers by reducing their collective bargaining rights. Taking certain things out out of their union negotiating abilities like Their income and he failed at that so whether there are really realistic alternatives to doing this it. It seems like There's there's still a long way to go before we find that solution. That's going to please everybody and Charlie when it comes. It's too high property taxes. I know there are people that want to put the blame on Jay Pritzker. They WANNA put the blame on. Bruce Rounder Pat Quinn Roy rich but this has been going on for a long time in the state of Illinois. We have had a high property taxes especially in certain parts of the state. I mean they are really high in some areas In as Brian mentioned schools are a big part of that. And there's are some reasons for it and as a matter of fact according to the most recent Data available from the State Department review which collect statistics or mall the taxing districts across the state. Not just school districts but counties and cities and special units the government you know the whole Shebang schools accounted for roughly sixty percent statewide of the property tax bill. This was for the taxes that were paid in two thousand eighteen and end the variance between school. Districts is pretty great and in fact some of the highest property tax rates are in cities or villages villages that have relatively low housing values and property value. So there's a real distortion in there but if you WANNA deal with property taxes this you really have to look at the state share of funding. I went online and looked at a document that comes from the federal government on the way local schools are financed and it compares. What percentage of the school spending in a state state comes from the state local or feds and for example you look at Illinois in Illinois? The state provides forty one percent of the total funding for schools according to the federal report in neighboring Indiana it provides sixty three percent. So if you look and you say Oh property. Taxes are so much lower in Indiana will part of the reason is because Indiana pays substantially essentially more state dollars towards its local schools the Illinois does Charlie real quick on that. I think they're going to be people that say. Well wait a minute. I'm I'm paying to the state and paying locally. What's is the difference? I think the differences people would generally agree that an income tax is based more on one's ability to pay than a property tax the property tax remnants from the from the nineteenth century when the value of the land and possessions. That you own was was probably a good measure of your worth nowadays. That's not true anymore and so we have people on fixed income particular senior citizens that live in an area we're housing values might be going up and suddenly. They're faced with property tax bills that they can't they can handle and over the years. We've tried things like homestead exemptions senior citizens this exemption property tax deferrals to try and mitigate the impact but in my mind. You're never GONNA be able to deal with the reality of high. I property taxes until the state assumes larger share of the cost of funding schools state dollars probably income tax dollars. The only sure way to do it is to give schools additional dollars in. Say That for every state dollar that you get you have to reduce your property tax levy the amount you ask for from property property owners by a dollar. Let's go to our notes from the field. Charlie let's go to you first this last week the Inspector General of the Department of Children and family services this came up with some more heart breaking news and it was that between July first of last year in January first of this year just in week or so ago fifty. Six children died who had had prior contact with. DCFS the agency that's charged with protecting children from abuse and neglect. And it's just another another indication of the deep problems that we have with that agency Brian. Yeah yeah there was a further. I think we talked last week about the first day of recreational marijuana sales while it continued strong for the next several days in at least in the first five days days that the state was selling this product. Ten point seven million dollars is recreational. Marijuana was bought around Illinois some of the stories actually having to halt sales was temporarily while they wait for the next crop of product to come in. Now that's all our time for this edition of State Week and our panel included Charlie Wheeler Brian mackey. Tony Arnold with WBZ get a podcast of the show and NPR Illinois Dot Org production assistance for the program provided by Bob Meyer. I'm Shawn Crawford. You've been listening to state week. A program of commentary and analysis of events in Illinois state politics and government state week is produced in the state capital by public radio station N._P._R.. Illinois this is ideal Eloy public radio.
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Hey you know what starts happening long about this time every single quarter all right my be that i've over sold it with my excitement but we are coming up on earning season. We're talking corporate profits and losses sometimes in the second quarter. That is april. Through june tomorrow gets as pepsi and jp morgan chasing goldman sachs wednesday it is delta airlines and the rest of the big banks thousands of other smaller lesser known companies as well and put it well conservatively wall street. Analysts are thinking. We are going to see blockbuster crazy. High best in more than a decade earnings growth compared to the second quarter last year. Which as we all remember was terrible marketplace's mitchell hartman starts us off then with what those earnings might be able to tell us about this economy. We're likely to be working the superlatives hard. As we take stock of corporate america's balance-sheet we're sort of reaching for the stars. Sam stovall is chief investment strategist at. Cf are a research estimates are for a sixty one percent year on your increase in s and p five hundred earnings. He predicts triple digit gains for banks and consumer products companies with the biggest gain in the industrial sector. Eighty three hundred and thirty percent rise because basically we came off an incredibly low level a year ago and that comparison to the deep pandemic downturn is a big part of the story says ross mayfield. Baird you got a burgeoning recovery. And you're comparing to the depths of a crisis. But that crisis also drove a lot of companies to become more nimble and profitable says mark zandi at moody's analytics businesses took the pandemic as an opportunity to rein in their costs and make big changes that they might not do more times to improve productivity and make their businesses more efficient and at this point there is still a lot of financial fuel especially from government stimulus to keep the boom going. Says university of maryland emeritus economist. Peter maurici just how much money is laying around in people's savings accounts on the balance sheets of banks corporations. They have a lot of cash to spend analysts. Do expect profit gains to gradually ramp down next year and the pullback could happen sooner if some downside risks pan out like persistent wage and price inflation from labor shortages and supply chain disruptions or wider outbreaks of cova variants worldwide. I'm mitchell hartman for marketplace. We've got a story coming up from me. Scott and just a bit about home prices and the i word but there is a report out from the real estate site redfin about factors that go into home prices. Those prices in places where you pretty much have to have a car to get around have grown twice as fast as they have in places with access to good public transportation and of course since the pandemic a whole lot. Fewer people are using public transit even in cities that have largely reopened so those transit agencies are trying to come up with new ways to get those riders back as marketplace's fields reports before kovac's about five and a half million people rode the subway in new york city every weekday on a good day. Now that number is close to two and a half million. We're getting there but obviously we'd like to get their a lot faster than we have been. Sarah feinberg is the interim president of new york city transit. She says the system is trying to encourage more people back onto trains and buses with a big marketing campaign. educating our potential returning writers. About all that. We're doing to keep them safe in the system and also offering a few little perks like partnering with museums to offer people discounts if they take public transit to get to the museum public transportation agencies all around the country are trying to find ways big and small to get writers back says police tells. Ceo of the american public transportation association many systems are really doing. Comprehensive route redesigns reimagining their networks concentrating on making sure the servicing the essential workers and he says many are also looking at pricing temporarily reducing fares or in a few cases even making rides free in san francisco bay area rapid transit or bart. Tickets will be half price for the month of september. A ito mayor at the brookings institution says those kinds of incentives will get some writers back but ultimately transit agencies. Best tool is one. They do not control the reopening of workplaces across the country. Especially he says. In big city downtowns. I'm samantha fields for marketplace on wall street today the prospect of those crazy corporate earnings. Yes that we'll have the details all the green when we do the numbers. We'll take the program now to spartanburg south carolina which michael a global local economy there. Thanks in no small. Part the bmw. Which has its biggest factory anywhere in spartanburg county and now thirty something years later there is a whole industrial ecosystem. Grown up around it. David bread is the chairman of the spartanburg county economic development committee. I met him on a trip down there about four or five years ago so we have gotten him on the phone to see what's what now david is good to talk to. You could talk to you too. So it's been about a year actually Since we were in touch and things were as most things were a year ago. A little tenuous in spartanburg county. How are things now far better than we ever imagined for. Could've ever planned. It's been incredible. So if i were to get on a plane and come back down to spartanburg and and go out To you know have a bite to eat or something. Once the mood. I think is the question in you know Upcountry south carolina. You probably would not recognize spartanburg from when you were here last We're having twenty point. Six people move to spartanburg every day just from january first of this year. To june thirtieth. We've had one point two billion dollars invested in the county and three thousand one hundred jobs coming off a pandemic so this these are not just record numbers. These are earth shattering numbers for us. And and congratulations to you forward sir but but and understanding that that your job is economic. Well you're you know sideline as it were because you've actually got a day job but but you know your your job as it were as economic development in spartanburg county What kinds of jobs are coming in. Are the company. Staying is costing any tax revenue outlay those kinds of things because it can all be sunshine in light last great question but it has been awesome china. These six months and again kai you know. I've been here when we when we did not have any jobs and nobody wanted to move here and in nineteen ninety-two when bmw decided to move here that changed everything force and we and we've actually worked hard to prove to the world that we're not a one hit wonder so what was happening this year. I think we've proven to our existing base you know all these manufacturing investors you know four weeks ago. Oshkosh defense international company. They're building a manufacturing facility. Here that will do all the united states. Postal service new electric vehicles for the whole country. Right here in spartanburg. How much of what you are able to do now is because of Assistance from the various virus relief packages. And i'm asking because it looks like that tap. May well be run out given the state of playing congress right now. You know there was. There was some bipartisanship early on Under president trump right. He passed a big package in president biden past his package I don't let me ask you. Do you see more help from the federal government coming in or are you going to be alright without that. We don't see any impact from the federal government on our success. That's a that's a bold statement and his bowl. But i know these companies i i deal with everyone in negotiating them to come here. But what's happened for our explosion of growth. The supply chain kovic talk companies here in the us. You can't be all over the world in a pandemic. So i i think you're seeing a lot of these companies move back and particularly spark spartanburg. Plus we're seeing tremendous population explosion. They're coming here in droves because this is where jobs are the quality life is out of out of the world. You were here. You saw hour from the mountains three hours from the beach. I don't know if you remember that day. We were having a little rough outs. That was not just a little humid. It would hot as all get less. Things are and then. I'll let you go. Are you keeping an eye on the delta variant. I mean you know. South carolina has been open for a while. Unemployment benefits of ended in june howard. Argue about another way. I am concerned. I got my vaccine publicly as did everybody else. And we're still encouraging folks because it is a problem in our task force will stay on top of their bread. His chair the spartanburg county economic development committee miss british. Good to talk to you. I really appreciate it. Thank you before to seeing. Let's talk about weather in this country already this summer. Heatwaves out west droughts as well. But it ain't just here and it ain't just us. There's been a drought in brazil. And that and maybe all of us and starbucks post lockdown has put coffee prices and we're talking the commodity here the beans but also eventually your morning caffeine. Those prices have at their highest prices in years and the department of agriculture says it expects coffee consumption globally to pass production this year so marketplace's met levin explains how coffee roasters coffee drinkers might be reacting a roaster in austin texas. Cuvee coffee used to make. It's money selling beans too. Fancy coffee houses but in twenty twenty survival depended on the stay at home. baristas says founder. Mike mckim our grocery business and our direct to consumer business increased exponentially. The drought in brazil is forcing cuvee to pay more than three bucks. A pound for beans up from about two sixty last year. Mackenzie gonna raise prices. Which could be dangerous. Grocery stores carry shelves full of cheaper brands. Yes one hundred percent. I think they're going to be more price sensitive but mcinnes confident. Most of his customers will pony up in. Twenty twenty was a big year for consumers to try something new says caleb bryant with the market research firm mintel is. I've live experimentation going on consumers either trading up to more premium coffees attempting to make specialty coffees at home. Brian says price jumps won't stop most remote workers from paying for fancier blends. It's the maxwell in folger's drinkers that may shift even cheaper store brands and as far as local cafes go. Brian says a few cents more for an afternoon. Cold brew will be a small price to pay to get out of the house. Seventy two percent of remote workers say that buying coffee and tea away from home breaks up the day. Coffee is famously volatile in the price spikes are nothing new ted fisher researchers the coffee industry at the university of vanderbilt. I'm old enough to remember in the seventies. It was like oil and coffee in like middle class. America felt because the coffee prices got so high expect even more volatility in the future. Climate changes making droughts like the one brazil is facing more frequent. I'm matt levin for marketplace sometimes. Can't hear on the radio we get that but never fear. We have a podcast as well. Check it out. Listen when every ally coming up if you were to ranch your house so much can rent for all right. Who's got a rental property calculator handy rights first though. Let's do the numbers the dow industrials up one hundred twenty six points today. Three tenths percent three-tenths percent closed at thirty four thousand nine ninety six also closed than thirty. Five thousand nasdaq up. Thirty one points two-tenths percent fourteen thousand seven thirty three s and p five hundred fifteen points about three tenths percent forty-three and eighty four new record highs. All the way around disney added four a ten percent. the media. john's movie black widow was released. Its best weekend. Maybe you heard about it then. I missed it if you didn't hear about it. Group drew in eighty million dollars in domestic box. Office receipts the highest for any movie release since the beginning of the lockdowns. Also not so bad given that it was on disney plus as well cheesecake factory also ford and a tenth percent day. Bond prices down yield on the ten year treasury one point. Three six percents. You're listening to marketplace this marketplace. Podcast is supported by biz. Insurer finding business insurance can be long and confusing process biz. Insure has made it easier for professionals to find and compare multiple quotes for general liability and professional liability insurance online in minutes no paperwork necessary and with competitive pricing. You can be saving time and money visit business dot com to find business insurance. That's right for you everybody. That's why i know this last year and change has had a whole lot of unknown but one thing is for certain that your kids have questioned about money. That honestly can be a little hard to answer. Lucky for you. We've got something just for that million brazilian the podcast for marketplace. That answers the questions. Your kids have about money. The easy ones the fun. Ones the head scratchers degree. Listen for the whole family. And a whole new season is out. Now million zillion helping dollars make more sense. Check it out. This is marketplace. I'm kai rozelle. According to the office of personnel management which is basically hr for the federal government eighty five or so percent of federal employees work outside the washington dc area among them now the headquarters staff of the bureau of land management which the trump administration moved from washington to colorado. Blm is in charge of more than two hundred and forty five million acres of federally managed land in the united states. More than any other agency. The question now though is is the front office going to stay in colorado madeline beck from the mountain west news. Bureau went to grand junction to find out the new bureau of land. Management headquarters is renting space in a sprawling four story brick and glass building near grand junctions airport. The agency isn't the only tenant but it's likely the most controversial under the trump administration acting director william perry pennsly- touted. Its move west as economical and good policy. When he first announced we want them closer to the lions they managed and the people they work with rather than to and even four time zones away in washington. He pointed out. Ninety seven percent of blm employees already lived in offices around the west but critics say headquarters and senior officials. Need to be in dc where the funding and power is according to be a lamb. Nearly three hundred employees retired quit or found other jobs after the headquarters announcement and only three d. Staffers have officially moved to grand junction. But what do the people of grand junction have to say. I found jack. Mueller sitting outside a coffee shop in grand junction on a hot afternoon. I don't know what to think of the people who are saying we don't own a move. He and his wife linda are retired. They say the headquarters move was a good idea and linda doesn't get why staffers wouldn't jump at the chance to live out west. Well anybody that wants to go back to dc deserves it plenty of other people. I talked with around grand junction also at the headquarters to remain here like resident. Stanzi i just love it. We would have the opportunity to have them here locally. And i think it truly makes more sense but others weren't so sure like miranda pursell. She'd heard the arguments that moving. Blm headquarters out. West would benefit the public lands agency overseas on the flipside. People said well. All the decisions are made in washington so is putting them out here. Removing the conversation. So i don't know which one i agree but one thing is certain. Moving headquarters here is an economic boon to the area worth about nine million dollars a year in jobs alone according to the grand junction economic partnership. Diane schwanke heads. The city's chamber of commerce that economic impact for us really at this point comes primarily from those jobs and the and the multiplier of those forty plus in place multiplier meaning the money the blm employees would spend on goods and services that support other jobs in the area and things have been challenging for the town. It used to rely more on the booms and busts the fossil fuel production which hurt the community for years after the two thousand eight recession but now swanky says they're diversifying into manufacturing and tourism and they survived the pandemic in okay shape. I'm glad that i've actually seen our community and mesa county survived the coveted pandemic economically much stronger than a lot of other places and that has not been the traditional history of our community. It's not just people in grand junction. Went headquarters to remain colorado's democratic governor jared. Police says he doesn't agree with how the move happened but he wants headquarters to stay now that it's there. Aaron weiss with the nonprofit center for western priorities disagrees. He says the headquarters should be closer to lawmakers and other agencies everything. blm does involves interfacing with the fish and wildlife service with the park service with the department of agriculture which oversees the forest service. But maybe there's a third way so the government doesn't have to choose between dc or grand junction. probably realistically. A split probably makes more sense. Chris brown is owner of the brown cycles bike shop in grand junction. You don't have to be you know sitting next to somebody to govern manage things that way. Brown says those who want to live in grand junction. Like those who want to move can and the rest can stay in the powerhouse. That is washington dc from grand junction colorado. I'm madeline back for marketplace. You know sometimes you make a promise with the best of intentions but then events just conspire against you. Such is the case today with me and this program and inflation been trying my darnedest not to overwhelm things with inflation stories. But we'll get the latest reading on the. I word tomorrow morning. When the bureau of labor statistics grace's us with the consumer price index for june. May as you might or might not remember showed biggest annual increase in consumer prices. Four point nine percent in thirteen years and here is why. I'm telling you this. Housing is part of the cpi consumer price index and housing. Prices have been rising like crazy as you know. So you think you might see that reflected in the monthly number but the shelter component of inflation as it's called has actually stayed pretty steady for the past decade marketplace's. Amy scott went to try to figure out why to understand how the b. l. s. measures housing inflation. I went straight to the source. I'm steve i'm an economist. And the information analysis. A section of the consumer price index program at the bureau of labor statistics has that for a government title. Reads job is to explain the cpi and the data behind it to the public. He says the goal of the cpi is to measure changes in the cost of living over time to do that. It tracks prices for a bunch of different things like gas groceries clothes and housing. The overall housing category includes furniture appliances and utilities even lodging away from home but the biggest component is what we pay for our primary residence. The price of rental housing is easy. The index looks at changes in monthly rents but most americans own their homes. And that's where it gets tricky when you purchase a home. A large aspect of that purchases is an investment aspect. It's not a consumption aspect and we are trying to measure the price change for consumption to do that. The bureau uses a calculation known as owners equivalent. Rent the idea. There is that if you're living in your home your cost of sort of consuming the shelter provided that at home is what you're forgoing by not renting it to somebody else. The cpi estimates owners equivalent rent by looking at actual rents for comparable homes in the same area but remember. Housing is just one item in that basket of goods and because it takes up a bigger chunk of most of our budgets it carries a bigger weight in the overall measure of inflation real rents and would be rents. Make up about a third of the cpi to come up with that weight the b. l. s. surveys us about how much we spend on the items in the basket including rant and for homeowners. That's where we have to ask this question if you were torrential house. How much can rent for seeing as how most homeowners probably don't spend a lot of time thinking about renting out their homes. They guess you may think all that guessing is why some economists have a problem with the way the cpi measures housing inflation is always around two point five percent regardless of economic conditions. Jiro yoshida is a business professor at penn state university. He says it's not the guesses. It's the hard numbers the ones based on actual rents that distort the inflation rate renters. Who stay in the same place for a long time. Typically only see small increases every year but when they move out rents often jump a lot for the next tenant. Yoshida's thinks the cpi has too few of those renters in the mix that appreciation rate tend to be underestimating the reality because that survey misses the huge adjustment between long term tenants yoshida and some colleagues created a different measure of housing inflation based on new leases and voila between april. And may we have eight point. Four percent annualized inflation that is significantly higher than two point five percent. Cpi rent and if you plugged that bigger housing number into the overall cpi inflation in may would have been nearly half a percent higher not a small thing if you're on social security and your cost of living increase is pegged to the cpi or if it determines your annual raise at work. The ls has tweaked. Its formula but not enough. Yoshida says and if you're wondering how all this measures up for the fed it uses a different index which yoshida says also underestimates housing inflation. But we've done enough for today. Maybe next time. I'm amy scott for marketplace final note on the way today saw this on. Cnbc data from the national association of colleges and employers paid internship pay it turns out the highest. It's ever been twenty dollars and seventy six cents an hour. That is the good news. Some are twenty twenty data by the way. The bad news is that fully. Forty percent of internships are still unpaid. All right. we gotta go. Here is your moment of economic context before we do. Though vaguely i word based but in a news you can use kind of way. Bond yields as we have mentioned a couple of times past couple of weeks have fallen quite a bit since inflation became a thing and people started talking about it back in february one way that decline manifests is in mortgage rates. Freddie mac says a thirty year fixed rate mortgage can be had on average at a rate of two point nine zero percent. that's the lowest rates of been since coincidentally february when inflation became a thing when people started talking about our daily production team includes unease. I mean andy corbin richard cunningham. Riyan horst sean mckenry blasios and minju park one last thing to do today that i meant to do on friday but honestly it kind of got away from me. We said goodbye last week to scott tong. after sixteen years with martin place. He opened our shanghai bureau back in the day. He has reported far and wide force. Ever since on virtually everything this program covers now is on to do something else. We wish him well of course and we'll miss him. I'm kai result. We will see you tomorrow. Everybody this is apn. Hey it's jed. Kim post a million bazillion million brazilian is a podcast for kids families. That helps dollars make more sense in each episode. We tackle the tricky questions that your kids have about money. Like how is it made. Is there a factory somewhere that makes it. Or what determines the price of pizza and we're back with all new episodes. That's more answers to the questions. Your kids wanna know thoughtful ones. The silly ones and the really hard. To answer one's million. Zillion listen wherever you get your podcast.
What's Going On With Graphics Card Prices?
"You're listening to jones. Totally tech your tech podcast. If you're looking at building or upgrading a gaming pc lately you may have noticed that graphics card prices have gone up. What's going on. I'll discuss that on this episode of joey totally tat. Hello everyone welcome to the joe. Eats totally tat podcast. I hope you're all doing well So you may have your stimulus. check This past week or probably getting it soon. Right thinking about Building a new. Pc bike a gaming. You know that something that a lot of people have been considering especially staying at thome during the pandemic. because they've got nothing to do some people have gone on switch to start streaming games are they're just boarded. Just wanna play games. You know Some people are graphic designers that work from home and need that extra. Gpu power for the design process or maybe three be rendering what not so graphics. Cards play an important role for many people with their p. c.'s. Not everyone if you're just doing war documents doing homework and you're not in a graphic design type of field or three d. animation type field maybe graphics cards have no use for you unless you're to gaming so oh and there's also cryptocurrency mining. Well we're going to talk about why graphics card prices have skyrocketed lately right here at this episode stay tuned by the way antonio was not in this episode. Today we weren't able to get him scheduled in fact I haven't really hard from a mall week. I've sentence a messages. I hope he's doing okay. I'm sure he'll be back. But yes sir. Thank you for listening to. The joe is totally tech. Podcast as we go on with today's episode so in the past year a md. An nvidia have been pretty competitive. Amd just recently up. Their game to compete with nvidia has been in the lead for quite a while when it comes to graphics cards. Amd had been very competitive. In a recent years and the gp market they've become more competitive in the cpo barka which is great we needed a good competitor and the gpo market. Amd's finally set it up especially with intel getting into the game very soon and amd has done a very good job of Catching up to add video with the latest around of graphics cards they've had so you know things are rosy in the gpu market right. Well not so fast. Because you may have noticed if you've done searching the past month or so especially Are three months now. Graphics card prices have gone up. We're not just talking new graphics card. Prices were talking used graphics cards as well and that pretty rough here so Both companies have had problems. First of all with scalpers of course Consoles also have had scalpers and quite frankly there has been a huge supply of consoles at the retail stores. I know working at a retail store. We've not had that many playstation five or What's the latest version of the xbox. I can't remember off the top my head. i'm sorry has slipped my mind. But i think you know what i'm talking about the xbox series x. That's what it is that came to mind. Finally but yeah. We haven't had very many of those scalpers have to buy up a lot of the supply of the graphics cards same with consoles and flipping them on ebay to make like probably about twice as much or even more quite frankly because people are just willing to pay those prices But graphics cards especially they've had problems with scalpers and there have been bought created to check windows graphics. Cards come in stock for the scalpers to go automatically by those graphics cards so you the consumer can't get the graphics card so easily and neva invidia or amd rarely like thus. They've both been trying to do things to keep that from happening. Because they know that they're mainly seen as a gaming type of company are both. Amd nvidia now. of course. they're real bread. Butter right now is in like machine. Learning and i quite frankly. That's where the real money is for them but they have graphics cards to at the majority of consumers are wanting gaming graphics cards When it comes to amd and video and if the gamers can't get those graphics cards while that puts both amd an nvidia in a bad lights quite frankly even if they are making a ton of money off of the cards at still does it. look good for either company and that perception can affect stock valuations of. They're not careful. Of course it's not just scalpers. We've been dealing with that since like the middle of last year and quite frankly even before that with each new release of graphics cards a lot of them get bought up pretty quickly. It's been worse this time around but That's always happened At least for a long time now as the only reason they've grown up guys we've also got the waivers on tariffs that expired january first twenty twenty one Those terrorists they were actually put in place under trump and the tech companies specifically the graphics card companies They were for a little while until january. First of this year so that has caused graphics card prices. Go up a bit in of itself and i know trump said he was going to make china pay by doing these tariffs ultimately china does not pay these tariffs youth the consumer pay these tariffs s not china and. That's not the companies. It's you who pays the tariffs. The company is just up the price sonia. So we're having to pay more for those imports as the graphics. Cards are made in china for the most part and rtx thirty seventy previously sell between ford six hundred dollars but now sells north of six hundred dollars with the terrif- waivers ending new rx. Five seventy cards. Which are popular for entry. Level gaming computers of they've been selling between one hundred two hundred dollars previously in october of twenty twenty at started going above two hundred dollars and now they've At least as a february they've shot up above three hundred dollars which is kinda crazy for an rx. Five seventy and my opinion. It's not just the tariff sets going on guys have you kept up with the crypto currency market at all. You've probably noticed if you have. Bitcoin has skyrocketed. Ethereal has skyrocketed. A number of other crypto currencies have gone up. I mean doj coin has gone up over a penny now. I can't remember what it is but doj coin the factually over our penny that cryptocurrency was created as a joke. So why is it worth anything. That's crazy that's gone up and in a party means that says i don't get it but something crazy's going on here. Crypto currency see is going back up. The last boom was twenty eight. Eighteen coin prices are sane right now. Let's see i'd do a quick search for the bitcoin price while i'm recording this reluctant at fifty eight thousand four hundred twenty four. Us dollars for one. Bitcoin that is insane. I think when. I started this podcast that might have fall below ten thousand dollars. I can't remember now it's back up. I mean that's been up sixty thousand dollars actually down the well not that much. I mean that is still crazy expensive. Well got cryptocurrency. Going up Well graphics cards are often the first devices to actually mind us crypto currencies. Yes graphics card crisis. Start going through the roof. They dead back twenty eighteen. The last cryptocurrency Boom they're doing it again and it's a hard time to be a gamer win. Crypto currency is going up and the argument can be made that smart people would use their graphics cards to make money for them during their downtime. And you know get what they're saying but no one really knows what the cryptocurrency market is going to do over time and the average person find a graphics card just wants to game and not to cryptocurrency but some people see it as an investment rather than Just stop purchase for their pc and for their own entertainment. you know. And that's a huge part of what's driving up the graphics card crisis now. The people that see those cards as an investment rather than Normal commodity for gaming and entertainment so for those who don't know an order to mine. Most of these cryptocurrencies. There's a series of complex calculations and that's really hard for me to explain but Blocks are sent for the graphics cards or cps could be used for mining too much mostly graphics parts. Ted still a better job at it. There's a series of locks sent to that and Minds those algorithms run says algorithms and an exchange you get crypto currency of cryptocurrency as a digital currency of course and That's been pretty popular thing At least for some people. I wouldn't say at scon- completely mainstream yet. But that's kind of heading to go on mainstream steph lee in the mainstream i would say now. Bitcoin makes the news every now and then So that's a pretty big thing now Do you like the music and sound effects. Were using on the joey. Totally tech podcast. Well we get the licensed seat for this music through epidemic sound if you're a content creator created video on youtube or other social media platforms or a fellow podcast or visit bit dot l. y. slash. Jt epidemic. That's bit dot l. y. slash. Jt epidemic in you can sign up for a subscription for as little as fifteen dollars per month. They have a wide variety of genres of music. As well as sound effects. You can incorporate into your content. You don't have to pay royalties you. Just pay the monthly subscription fee. Or you can also buy lifetime licenses to particular tunes in effect too so if you want to use fresh music and help support this podcast to checkout. Bit dot l. y. slash jt epidemic and sign up for epidemic sound. Today we cannot get away from cryptocurrency at this point you know. I think it's here stay. What's interesting though. As an previous booms that was like average people like you and i could buy these graphics cards and then use them to mine. F we were thinking about that kind of investment. That's not really quite the case. This time around. A lot of corporations are buying up graphics. Cards and building mining farms with the graphics cards So yet it's like not quite the same thing anymore so. I don't know what corporations are doing this. I'd have to do more research into it. But i didn't know it's big corporations at this point by those graphics cards tamang now. I want to make it clear. They are not mining bitcoin. I think a theory. If i remember correctly is at a point where it can't be mind on graphics cardia more Some crypto currencies. Yes be mineable on a graphics card but now you have to get something called and basic and that's just basically a device that's created specifically to compete these complex calculations and mine cryptocurrency and. That's because the difficulty of our time for these cryptocurrencies increases and it gets to a point where graphics card just can't do it anymore so definitely bitcoin. I think assyria a theory was designed after it got to a certain point you cut mine anymore anyway. And i can't remember if it's at that point or not or gain close so i'm really had to check but there are plenty of other smaller crypto currencies. Going up right now. That are totally mineable on a graphics card. And i think right now you won't have graphics card that's like over four gigabytes my graphics cards only two gigabyte so you're not going to be mining cryptocurrency on my rx for sixty graphics card quite frankly no going to be pretty much any of the current generation graphics cards. They're going to be a really good for mining. Gps and of course that's caused the prices. Go up since people are buying those of our corporation far as i said So so let's take a look at a couple of my favorite graphics cards the Amd rx five eighty and four eighty rx five. Eighty prices have gone from two hundred to two hundred fifty dollars to above five hundred dollars because of gpu mining the rx for eighty n five eighty cards war popular cards for mining previously in the 2018. Eighteen crypto been and. They're in demand again right now. You could spend three times. The ms rpg to get a brand new graphics card in even by used graphics cards on ebay and other sites are quite expensive. Really i've checked ebay for usd forex for eighty and working condition. At the time of prepping for this episode the lowest. Buy it now. Price was two hundred forty nine dollars guys. Dust graphics card used shouldn't be going for more than like maybe hundred thirty four hundred forty dollars in my opinion but yeah. Where'd selling that at two hundred fifty dollars right well. Searching the salt sings as a slightly different story Not many of the rx. Four eighties are being sold at the price. And actually not many have been selling at all this past mas just a fear and at least rx four eighties They're selling still between hundred and one hundred fifty dollars. But i think that's because a lot of the buy it now. Prices are way too high and people are smart at least this case smart and they're not buying it for that price they wanna wait for it to go down which pay i. Don't blame them. I think it's smart for us to wait. I don't know how long it's going to be. We'll get to that in a bit though but yes check in the solved. Lessons did seem like a lot of climate spain. One hundred one hundred fifty dollars when they were so that's great That's not the case with all the cards though the rx five eighty inches just salon newer and quite frankly just an rx for eighty refresh Selling for three hundred plus on ebay used and even north of four hundred dollars. I mean come on guys. These aren't used graphics cards. They're selling for more than the. Ms rpm was new and videos gt x ten. Seventy antennae cards are going for double what they were going For six months ago as well even broke a gt x ten. Seventy cards are selling for two hundred dollars. Are you really wanting to buy a broken graphics card. Gts six seventy are ten seventy rather specifically for two hundred dollars definitely dies six dot be an old card no You don't want to do that guys. No that's a bad deal but that's the reality. Where in right now with the graphics card prices on top of that we've got the covid pandemic of course People have been staying home many of turn to gaming so of course demand for graphics cards as going to be higher than it would be pre pandemic so we get that that might cause a little bit of piece. I know it's caused an increase in price with like web cams for example. They went through the roof for a while I think there might be back down to more reasonable levels. I have a check. Webcam prices a while But yeah we can't ignore the cova nineteen pandemic Demand for technology Items tag devices. General has been pretty high We also need to mention. There's a worldwide shortage going on that can affect the price a bit too now. What do people actually buy these graphics. Cards for beyond gaming crypto currency mining. Course we've got gaming. The big reason. The crypto currency mine. Those are the two that i think most people know about. But they're not just for gamers and they're not just for minors Graphics card years for content creation task like video editing three d rendering and more in fact. It's actually use some for audio now to the arts yet. They are capable of for a living noise from audio Was a i can't remember. I think it was rtx voice. The feature is called Yes able to to remove rather any noise. That's in the background and clean up your sound which is amazing. You can even use your gpa. For scientific research why to help cure diseases West programs like folding at home. We actually did folding at home for a while. when the covid nineteen pandemic really started going and that hopefully helped with the development of a vaccine or two or three or four all the vaccines that are out there. Of course we've got three approved here in the united states so how much work went into that vaccine for my computer. I don't know. But i'm glad i was able to contribute attribute right suggest gamers that are affected by this sab price hike. There's only one real way that this could be corrected quickly. don't buy the graphics cards you know. Do not buy them at the cost. They're currently selling out. But you know on an individual level. We might be able to do that but to get everyone to rally around. That idea would be really difficult especially when you have people who are into. Gpu triptent z. Mining they don't look at these cards the same way the game or does they look at the card as an investment. And if it's going to make the money over time so be even they do have to overpay for you. Now they're going to make credit card t money then they'll sell those cards. Once things called down wants to. The cryptos are too hard to mind via graphics cards and probably wants the crypto currency. Prices have actually dropped okay. So what if you're absolutely in need of a graphics card you've got this. Pc that you've been building. You really need that graphics card. Something like let's say. A radio on hd seventy eight seventy. Which i was using a couple of years ago myself. It's not that bad of a card for what it is. I mean that's an old heart but could still do a good job at entry level gaming This is going to be ten eighty. You've gotta temper your expectations I'd say seven twenty p for most games. I mean there's some games ten eighty p no problems. But i think you're looking at a general seven twenty p card. I was looking on their salt price. I've seen a lot of sixty dollar cells within the past three months Some were going for up to like one hundred forty dollars but even still fairly recently sixty to eighty dollars is what it'll be spinning on an on a radio on hd seventy eight seventy so. That's probably a card. I might go four if you need something to get you buy. I probably wouldn't want to set on that card. You'd probably want a better card in the long run. But you know that's a great is card. I said i've had it before the ice q. Addition from hris especially that is a really good overclock or so. That's something that. I can honestly recommend if you don't mind temporary near expectations of bed until you can get more current graphics card Keep mine also. With a seventy eight seventy you will probably have some direct at twelve. She is it is technically direct x twelve compatible but not all the features of direct x twelve work on it as it was originally a direct. Ask eleven card in the first place Also ebay if you're looking there Look for sellers. Who will take a best offer because you might have someone who has a buy it now. Christ is way too high but they wanna get this thing sold. They have best offer enabled on their listing. Send them a more reasonable offer. They might be willing to take you up on that offer. Especially if they've been having trouble selling that card for the price they're asking for now of course ebay is known for a lot of price. Gougers might help to also look on a local listens like facebook market place. Craigslist offer macari anything. Like that as you may find someone who hasn't really kept up with the prices locally or someone who just wants to get rid of the card and they're selling up for a reasonable price. I should also mention if you're going to buy a cards. This way be courteous. And don't show up at the person's house or apartment. Or what have you and then just make a low ball offer in a. That's always been a pet peeve of mine when i've sold stuff on craigslist for example Exception is if you have a really good reason to do it. Like their damage. You discovered that wasn't mentioned. And the less than then. Yeah make a lower offer but guys be reasonable and don't just show up and make the lower offered that might be lower than what they want and expect to get you know because that's just a cool if you're going to make an offer like that generally let them know before you get there. Don't waste the person's time also think about do you really need high end graphics. Probably not for the game. You're playing that's going to really depend on your game again. Hd seventy eight seventy would probably be fine or you could look at in your build especially fits an amd build look at amd aps especially the newer ones like the rise at three thirty two hundred g. I can't remember what the and five thousand series of one is off the top of my head but they've got some really good. Ap us granted. That's like what's play all the hi settings at your play at with a graphics card unless you lowered the resolution. I get that. But that's not really a bad idea right now. If you just want to build a gaming pc and get up and running you can play a low to medium settings and still have a great time. Amd's aps have a good reputation. Also intel's newest chips that have the integrated graphics are also really good. They're not as good as like a dedicated graphics card. But you know they're pretty good for like low to mid range gaming. You'll have no problem with that. If you do go that route you want to make sure you have as much a ram as you can get and the fastest ram you can afford. Because you don't have the dedicated video memory on an eight year that you would have on a graphics card and the end it's really unclear. When graphics card prices are going to stabilize comeback down. I can't tell you when it's really going to be hard to predict we could be and the cryptocurrency bobble for the long term so You know just buckle up make maybe if you have a gaming computer right now And your love utah prayed. Just hold on hold on for a little while. You don't have to get the latest graphics card. i. I know it's tempting toll on people but no you don't have to have the latest greatest Think i enjoy a lot of games with by a kit with which has zeon x. thirty four thirty processor and our x four sixty graphics are a sixteen gig ram I'm happy with it. Does what i needed to do. And i might not be as hardcore gamers you. I don't know a lot of it. Depends own you and what you want but also What you really need to play the game You know if you really need thirty. Eighty play the games that you want. You know you really need that game right now or can you wait a bit. Can you play that game at lower settings you probably can and you'll be fine and you'd have just as much fun you know. Are you really going to notice that extra detail. Maybe in some games you can. Maybe and you can't and some game side. I get especially with games that use the ray tracing you might notice the extra detailed certain games you might not and it's really going to the pin on the games you play a what type of user you are. So but i'd say right now as just a bad time to upgrade par bad time to build a computer if you're expecting to use the latest greatest. Gpo horrible time to do that But yeah my recommendation. Like i said before. Radi on hd seventy eight seventy. That's a card for the money especially right now while the cards prices are so ridiculously high on anything else. This is the joey. Caygill eye catching next time. Hopefully we'll have them tonia back again all right later. Thank you to our exclusive subscribers. Laura lassiter ed beth as exclusive subscribers. You are considered executive producers of this podcast. Thank you for your support. If you're interested. It supported this podcasts. 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Human Sacrifice (ep. 73)
"What does the US the me singing instead of the Song Gimmick for the football pie to fill? I can't do it on this one. Oh you can you can't you'll be doing okay. Go for it. We don't have a song long and it feels so wrong but spencer INDAC- Talking Life All night long offer twenty minutes or so I like him. Yeah I if you listen to football bud devoted got in that joke. I'm sorry sometimes. You gotTA regurgitate Yeah. Sometimes you just don't have enough material material on your desk at work. Yeah good task destiny. It's been A. It's been an interesting few weeks for me. I bet a few weeks. The football all seasons over as you know once football season's over it's just two different lives at postseason and then I have wondering around wondering what to do with myself self season. Because that's where mad right now. I was last Sunday the Sunday in between the Super Bowl and the championship games. It was like what what what is this. I woke up and I had like twelve hours to do something with myself. I had no idea. What does one do want a free Sunday? That's what is one do. I'm just GonNa Watch a Lotta TV. I'll tell you one thing that have been doing this year. That I started in January now have kept up with it so far. It's only been one month but have kept up with it. I've written down everything I've watched movies and TV wise now for watching Youtube video. I don't I don't do it but movies. TV TV. I've watched it. I've wrote in a written a little bit out especially with the movies. Yeah and hopefully. This is a good exercise near the end of the year. I'll be able to look back and be like hey. This is my favorite stuff this year. That is interesting. We last year in March Heather and I went to a big board game convention and somebody told me they are about an APP that would log board game plays and Ansah starting in March of last year along every game we ever play. Oh well so I was able to go back January first of this year and look at all the Games we played in twenty nineteen. Start again this year. So there's probably a pretty good atfer that out there somewhere. That's awesome probably in that. I was in navigating times absolutely. That's what we have to do on Sundays. Westie is playing Dungy's dragon. Yes if he ate. You ought to be the ultimate. If you ain't gotta be dungeons and dragons you know the best thing about an APP that would keep with what shows you watched. Maybe the worst thing is is it the end of the year looking back and seeing how much time you spent. Oh dear you're watching. TV All going to waste time doing something sure. I don't know what I'd do if I was always one. Why not entertained yourself Desi did you have a CDC this week? We've got a list core values here. Although I brought list. We're not in the studio tonight. But I brought the Louis says they rolls up like a scroll because its ancient get around. Well since me and Jovan around I could smell the wisdom just permanent retaining off of it. Here's my CVC folks. Help Yourself. Text ext incomplete sentences. Oh boy you that we have grammar for a reason. We are butchering being the English language. When you text text like an adult spell spell your words use punctuation and use complete sentences? I tried to get like I'm not using a semicolon ever in text messages. Forget it I'm thinking about where that goes. You do good. I try and and use complete sentences but like commas and stuff. Sometimes I'm just like and you know what I'm GonNa pick bone with your English language because my wife taught English for a while autour and I'll be like hey do I need a comma before this. But or whatever and she's like well you can. What kind of rule is that? You can't subordinate conjunction. You've got to determine whether or not there's an independent clause on both sides okay. Yeah I hear about this independent chloride get you money Miss Independent calls. I feel you what do you think yes but there is A. But that's there is a rule. Were is your you. You don't have to Kane Right. Is that it. Yeah if it separates parade thought you can use a comma If it's if it's independent clause you use a semi colon of course too many exceptions. There are some. Yeah you need Welcome to the English language million. No Stop Stop with your greatness English language I need white and black from you. Yeah White and Black Yep if your rules are the white and black. I'm sorry I just can't no good for you. What's the there is no right answer? There is no right answer sometimes hard grade English but you know the as an English teacher and your wife will back me up on this kids today with their texting they they spend the vast majority of their day communicating indicating on their phone and so they learn to write the way they spend the most time writing and so when it came time to write essays and research papers for English class. They were our typing like they texted. They would put our the letter R. for like. Are How are you deliver you in the paper. And it was second nature to them that their brain is program now the function that way. So we're literally butchering the English. Language is disappearing. I wouldn't be surprised ten fifteen years from now we start to see some shifts because of that but these kids are growing up. That's how they all right. How is their skill of writing? Like I'm not talking about the grammar even spelling or anything like that but just literally putting pen to paper does the same foreign into them. It does because they're used to communicating in one hundred twenty characters or less knowing that comes down to write a two page paper. They feel like they don't have enough ideas and what was funny as a student when we come to me and they would argue for fifteen minutes about how they couldn't write a two page paper and I would say hey. Look you just spoke to pages worth material and that argument write that down. I was riding at rights suggestions for Improv practice tonight and I was looking at my handwriting and I was like I guarantee you second-grade Spencer was more more eloquent than this. I agree with the same way I never ride anymore. I can't read what I right. That's what type everything I can't rely on handwriting a week later. I have to write some thank you. I'm not for work. Sometimes and I legitimately will start the thank you note with. I apologize for my handwriting. I've got you beat one time I printed thank you. I'm not in a jet printer. I put my thank you cards in the printer cause a second writing. I want to do that but I'm like you know what hopefully hopefully they're like all this is per exactly. They took the time. Hopefully that's all they're thinking about failed. I may look like a hamster wrote this but please please take the thought into account. That's what counts. Does this past weekend. I did something I went to I've had to do more and more these days and went to a nieces and nephew view. Birthday party Oh look I got I got six of now on my wife's side there's spout to be six. I do these parties. It seems like there every every weekend sure in reality they could be months apart. Seems like there every weekend Look I love being there for the kids or something to be said about that. Here's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking we'll get a room for the brother-in-laws we get a room for the uncles and the brother-in-laws almost like a man cave type place you know with whiskey video games can ruin. Sure put on a robe. You like welcomed the child's birthday party get your smoking robe on not a smoker but fine. No one smokes. We just look at the cigar smoke. Just take it for atmosphere. It's atmosphere so that's that's one uh knocked. The Mike Down. They'd happens it happens. Were Life Kinda we will cut this in. Oh okay now. I'm on the floor recorded right. I will say that for this. Particular Birthday Party. Joined myself when I was there. Don't get me wrong. You know a little bit but It's like a three hour hour roundtrip. Oh God hello. What the last Kid's birthday party you've been to but not many UM lasts three hours? If the time spent in the car is greater than the time time spent at the venue we just have an issue. I agree I agree. It's a great point. You know if you're going to drive that far I need. I need an afternoon needs to be worth my afternoon. Yes so that's one of my points not necessarily a CBC sure because I do have a CBC say. Oh boy lay it on me. Got A core value for you value. I just recently added to the list. So it's actually core value six thousand six hundred seventy nine. Wow Wow it's a big one because I just added it. Maybe that's the newest one. Oh I'm so excited and I might need your help coming up with a name for my need your help coming with the name so just deal. Is there anything that you've done that you enjoy that you sucked at a Ho. Yeah but but you kept doing. Oh yeah now I mean legitimately bad not just like a humble way bed like Oh. I'm never regretted to this but like you. You know what I'm saying cooking okay. I'm not that great cooking but I love to do it. You still try angry Ryan Great. I'm not even sure. What my core values with this? Maybe it's the fact that you shouldn't let things if you suck it something but still enjoyed. Don't let that don't let other other people's feelings deter you from being a part of perseverance. Man I so I I guess I have a bad attitude with some of these things sometimes because it it started when I was young. I think it's carried over if I'm immediately terrible at something because I'm bad at it. I'm probably not going to enjoy myself now so I don't know if I've ever had anything where I like sucked at and I was like only to keep you on that. I don't enjoy that because I was bad at it. Yeah I think I think I probably missed out on a few things because I immediately dismiss something because I wasn't initially good at it. Sure so against the core value is if you've we've got to spark for something just because you immediately second don't give it up sure. Don't keep it up. Nobody's great at something to begin with right right correct I do do think I do think I never. You can recognize potential our future value in something right. Sure I I remember being around somebody recently and they were doing something as part of a cohesive unit and it was just immediately clear to me that this person is in the wrong position. They should not be doing what they're doing not sure why they keep coming. Why are you still showing up and I thought optimus of like that's really bad attitude to have? Yeah they may stink at this but they probably enjoy this probably doing something for them on a healthy emotional level. And you need to get over yourself yourself. Spencer don't don't you know if you sucked it something like this. You wouldn't have been back. You wouldn't have been back but this person. They are enjoying themselves. Let them have it. Don't let them have it. That's the core value. Let people enjoy what they enjoy the fact he had playing basketball detriment digitally to the team. Sure have fun. Losin exactly exactly. You GotTa bring me down to fine. Yeah fine as long as you're enjoying yourself when I was at this kid's birthday party when we were driving home I was sleepy. I was like I've gotTA stop. Get a coffee so we were inaccuracies. Louisiana that beautiful downtown downtown right. I was walking along the river there to get some coffee and I passed this this family. The family of three was was a man and his two children and the little boy family was playing with grasshopper. Yeah that happened to be passing by at this exact moment and this is what he told his dad he said. Dad I'M GONNA keep this grasshopper until dies it. I realized that's what we all do with. People blend pets. We could say that. Like Hey I would just keep this thing to the dice. Sure that's literally the marriage vow until death. It sounded really funny really kid like to me and then I was like wait a second. That's legitimately what you do when you love some. Let's just keep this dylan. That's right uh-huh so good on you kid. He's learning does did you have any topics are doing it to go on. Oh boy I need you I you know what I do. Have this leg of my desk at work notes about a topic that we were GonNa talk talk about a few weeks ago and that was by mail Pyramids Right Pyramids so here we go remember. I am going to try to remember okay. Same by the bail by. That's the man you asked about Pyramids Right. So what's the first thing you think of when you think Pyramids I think about that movie kristen. Kristen animated movie that was about a was Moses into the Prince of people that movie pyramid and I see the their hats. They're wearing like most everyone else. You think. Think about Egypt's pyramid far the most famous in the world There are oh I think there are seven or eight big pyramids that we always see like on TV and things in Egypt There are a few hundred actually in Egypt but those are by far the most famous. Is that you in matter of fact those few are one of the only as the the only remaining original seven wonders of the world so which of course they were built for the Pharaohs and they were. They were filled with treasure to help him take themselves. Take the Faeroes to the afterlife in that kind of thing but I wanna I wanNA. I don't WanNa talk about that. My Favorite Pyramids are the much lesser-known Pyramids in Mexico. Oh like the Aztecs. I take my in an economic mid. My Dad's seen those. He's been there. Oh my gosh jealous. I would love to see that. The pyramids needs of teaching ugly shirt from their imagine. So those pure mids Are Not same shape. They're not the they're not the traditional triangle they are kind of slope. They have stairs on the side. There may where you can walk up the outside with flat tops and they were built. Oh they're not quite as old as the ones in Egypt were built around two two to three thousand B C in these were around fourteen hundred or two thousand BC. Most of these in Mexico But they were built and used mainly for human sacrifice they would Sacrifice kids virgins up on top of the pyramid and like cut out their heart. Roll it down the two hundred steps to Nia fun times But the Mayans and the Aztecs were so So far ahead in terms of astronomy like they could predict locations of the stars stars plans. They understood all that back then. Twenty twelve right they did. They were the one that was wrong. So maybe we'll well not that but they knew like the days of the solar eclipse the lunar eclipse they. They knew all that for hundreds of years in advance so they built a lot of their pyramids. So that Whenever the Summer Equinox knocks the day of the summer equinox a lot of the pyramids cast shadows in the shape of their snake like God for hundreds of yards out away from the pier though if this just credible architectures absolutely amazing? Those are by far my favorite pyramids again to go to Mexico. Never Been I've been to Mexico but didn't get a chance to go into the the interior and see some of those pyramids but those blow the Egyptian pyramids out of the water for me. Wild yes which brings me to a to a recommendation If you haven't watched the movie apocalypse show a Mel Gibson Jan from say maybe seven two thousand twelve somewhere during that period You GotTa Watch. It's incredible if you haven't seen it. It's about the it's about the Aztecs. Whenever in the round the early fourteen hundreds and it was filmed with the actors are actually Natives of that area who have no technology like they went out in the jungles and they found These original native people and they're playing themselves in this movie. It's incredible I remember that movie. Well never seen it. I remember well because when it came out initially was Kinda wanted to see it but I was like barely a teenager. So that was funded Savia so so one of my friends who has got to see it. I just remember him coming back and being like man this woman. She gives birth in a river. Yeah she's just like standing the rough stuff. Maybe I don't WanNa see but it shows all the of course rebuilt of of the Pyramids and the sacrifices this dark booby bought very violent. But that's the way it was back then. But it's Oh it's a great great story. Yeah apocalyptic apocalyptic. Look at that you got to say by the bail. If you ain't you ought to be one thing. Sure Yeah does. That's that's that's too much resources. You gotTa Make It last. I have a high school ten year reunion coming up. Oh aw I say that it's just we nothing's plan it's just the ten year anniversary. It's my twentieth year twenty. Yeah so did you guys do anything for ten. Did you plan plan. What nothing at all? Do Anything for twenty. There's been no talk but I thought the other day you know. Somebody's got to plan something so crap. I guess I might go to facebook right. I feel like I think there are few other people that could step up and say something. Yeah I I certainly could. I'm in between face. You know I would enjoy. I would enjoy it but also don't WanNa be the one that you know when people are at the party Freddie and they're like oh who did this to agree to overeager life. What does he do? He was so ready to relive those. Why did we have to come I heard he's been planning this for five for nine years. He's been thinking about this now. It's finally here the ten year anniversary. He's got a decent job and he wants to Lord it over here you go out. You remember the recession. That was before we graduated the ten year high school reunion man. Yeah that's coming up. That's tough we'll do. Some was is it bad to only only do something with like a third of the class. I don't think nowadays you know you. GotTa you gotTa think a third of them were probably in jail third ever moved away yes listing. I didn't go to Joel. Rally probably heard still around. Yeah so maybe I'll do them joya joy it. Yeah I'll bring it up be like maybe I'll just text like three or four of them and be like. Hey do we want to do this. Get the ball rolling. Get the push it down the hill. Yeah did you have a fan. You ought to be anyone that you thought Oh Yeah Yeah If you ain't reading the book of your favorite movies Yada be you were on this trend barrier. Yeah because I don't think they've been doing this very long but I remember you. I remember coming out with the movie when you posted on face. I don't know where you said it to me but you like. Hey if you like that you gotTa love the book. Yeah that's it. I'm like okay. I'm not GonNa read that every movie that comes Out Today is based on a book or comic or something like nothing's original anymore but we got into this not long back My wife has never Never watched she like one Harry Potter movie. Like one of the ones in the the middle and She was talking about watching said well. Just hold off. Read the books you have to read the books. I you know like most things they leave out seventy percent of the stuff when it comes to the movie. Is there Louis assigned right now and I was right. She just finished last book not long back and after a book we would immediately watch the movie and she would get done and be like. Oh Oh my gosh. This movie makes no sense like could you possibly even understand. It left out so much. But that's the case with. I mean I've read so huge Stephen King Fan. I've got all his books over here and I've read all those before the movies and I can't. I can only think of one or two movies. That are actually better than the book but you know people. They really like something but they failed to. Sometimes I'm see where the idea came from and just so much better. Did you read the outsider. Stephen King I haven't watched the show yet. Okay I have read that one in the last couple of months uh-huh relatively new and I'll just read. We're watching the show. Now I'll get I freaking love it. I don't know if I brought that up last week or not. It's awesome. I love the tone own and stuff that they're going for. You know the story. Of course they're really it's it's haunting but it's also it's got that procedural cop mystery to it that's just human nature to like like. Hey something happened. It's mysterious. We want the good guys figure out what happened before I watched that I had to go back and read the bill. Hodges this trilogy that he wrote. Because I didn't read those books I listen to them. Okay well I did jealous do okay. One of the characters from the outsiders comes holly loose sequel equal. So I had to. I was like there's no way I can skip over that. No what she did have to read that verse. Now Mr Mercedes. That's the Mr Mercedes trilogy. That's also a TV show. I haven't seen yet but I only saw the first season because it's on a weird audience network. What awhile what so? I watched that first season back in when I was still living at my parents house. A long ago correct. I don't think I don't know if I'm sure audience network. Hasn't that haven't felt download. I never even heard of that. Audience Networks where that is anyway. There's a in different actress playing. GimMe than there is on the radio show they outside my Fiat to be could definitely be the outsider because I love five episodes. The halfway point can't believe they're doing five more anyway. The and that should be a contained story. Right I think so. I don't think they're gonNA do anymore. Yeah Yeah mid Somare to movie the movie. Great Movie Yes Love it so much. What he does with the I mean our always? I'm always fearful of saying too much when I bring up a movie. Yeah but horror in the daylight is a good tagline describes. What he he does what he does with? The daylight is almost more suffocating. The being in a tiny dark corner. Not what's in the shadows did you have to write. What is it sometimes wide open spaces or at terrifying? I agree and you can see everything. It's also a not to get too psychedelic on you but the whole movie feels like a bit of a trip in a way very true literally and Metaphor yes. It's all is trip. Yeah it's all in you know movie about Acceptance Awesome WH- sure have you watched parasite yet so I want to. I have to really site myself up to watch subtitles. Yeah it's Oh my God is worth it okay. Holy Cow. We're definitely GONNA watch it because it might win Oscar this weekend. I I mean I don't I I don't know if that I would say it was oscar-worthy necessarily but you know it's already been nominated for. The store was original. I mean I guess the actress did good. You know Korean movies totally different for an hour or so. Sure I don't know but I mean it was. It was great. It was a really cool story. Not Quite what I thought it was going to be and we enjoyed every minute of it. Yeah I've done a good job of staying away from spoilers for that so I look forward to watching parasite I will. Yeah we should just talk movies more. After the Oscars I don't Oh have any thoughts on the Oscars anymore so political. Now Watch once upon a time in Hollywood it was great. We know it'll be you haven't seen you know I don't know there's a scene in that movie and I'm not sure I've ever left harder my life. Oh Wow Tarantino's good for that. One wants a film once job. Good at that also. That's all I knew. We haven't seen so far alright will screw the Oscars screw kickers. 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1028 Armyworm Infestations in Kansas Farm Storage Facility Loan Program
"From kansas state university. This is agriculture today. Eric atkinson here. Here's what's ahead k. States jeff whitworth joins us to discuss. Those huge armyworm. Infestations have been turning up around kansas in recent weeks and the potential threat. They pose to cool season grass and alfalfa stands and potentially to newly planted wheat stands nearby offers his advice on whether an insecticide treatment would be worthwhile. Also today the latest. Fsa coffee talk over from the farm service agency. Josh ritter he'll provide the latest on the usda's farm storage facility loan program for financing commodity storage construction and later on with another stop. Look and listen case dates. Gus vander hoven plus more right here on agriculture. Today you're tuned into the wins the edition of agriculture today. Well we're after the latest on the crop insect front now as we visit via phone with crop entomologist. Jeff whitworth case date research and extension heading into what we hope are the waning days of summer and now transitioning into fall jeff but want to reflect on something. That's been more or less a newsmaker in kansas last several weeks as a matter of fact and whether it does trans into crop fields that is this flood of worms. Army worms primarily that Folks have reported in their home lawns and just about everywhere else. Are these something of worry in as far as our field crops. oh yes We have seen and heard about more worms this year. I think so. I was just looking back This week it's been fourteen or fifteen years since we've gotten this mini reports and looked at this much worm infested acreage in the state of kansas. It has happened before it will happen again. But this year has really been annoying. The a lot of growers We've had armyworm still true armyworm for the most part follow army worms and now we're starting to see if you beat army rooms but it all started last february and march with army cut worms. We have pretty good. Infestations of army cut worms early on their the first worms. Surp- mugginess Unintended in the late winter early spring and then they all packed up and head to the colorado rocky mountains for this summer. And then we get other worms and in this case armyworm say third affecting wheat and world mainly in the eastern third of the state and since oh june july they slowly transitioning a lot of folks wouldn't say slowly but they are transitioning throughout the state and the westward march the armyworm. They actually prefer grasses. That can be porn sorghum. We fescue or brome any any kind of grass. They prefer that but that doesn't mean they're limiting their diet to that they will actually infest broadly like soya beans and alfalfa and other crops also and the fall armyworm generally prefers broadly like alfalfa and soybeans but they will also infest week for sorghum beans or other crops so we. We have seen the real problem this year. I don't know what the weather conditions are that are conducive to both armyworm fall or i mean we were saying earlier army cut worms but whatever it is it's it has really allowed them to flourish this year. You say the jeff. The primary consideration at the moment is what sorts of ill effects these army worms could inflict on those brumfield's out there. The first question i get is on specially brome. If they're feeding brome will that allowed to stand usually not all of these worms have chewing mouth parts. So they're they're not injecting any toxins or any. They're not vectors of any diseases. They just chew off the green leaf part for the most part. So i get a lot of questions about why so much brown left out there in the brome where they went by killed all the scratch. They didn't really kill them. That just eating all the green. And so there's some of the fads or or the residue leftover on the ground that brings up some the some the guys asking if if burning will work it does if you you know that senior management plan to bring your passer When the worms out. That's a good way to getting rhythm. Just as good as spraying them with an insecticide. Get rid of all old batch and you know. Allow that green growth to come up. But that's up to each individual's management plan but the brown slept is just what the worms are not eating. They're eating the green part. We brought him in and try to feed him. You know three or four day old plants that have been removed from the field. They won't feed him as so there's just eating the green part and then they will eat week if there's if the wants brome starts dying down they'll transition into anything that's green lots of times. That's right about now or later. Hopefully when we've planted wait wheel sir. Growing and they'll start feeding on that greengross and we'll wait for those with waterways for instance near those wheatfields. That's a concern about those worms harboring in that waterway. Isn't it it is they move out They look for anything green once. They once anything. Search the diadem they. Move out and start feeding them anything green. They have done a pretty good number on a lot of volunteer wheatfields because they don't care whether it's domestic wheat that we planted or volunteer week. That just came up tone anything green. They will infest and they will use allies as a source one of the other questions. I've been getting lately as if we use an insecticide treated seed at planning time. Will that control the worms and generally speaking. The caterpillars lepidopterists larvae. Which is what we're talking about when we talked about army or follow army worms. They're not affected very much by c. treatments. they'll see treatments. You're really good job on. Haitian flight eight foot but again only for twenty one to twenty eight days so we do not recommend using insecticide-treated seed to try and manage or control any of the worms. The best thing is to manage them by planning as late as you possibly can i. We always stress that but the best management planning dates for wheat or sway. Possible the agronomy department is a really good job. I think putting out a map of kansas with the ideal planning gates for yields or for economic purposes and from as standpoint the later you can hold off planting the better off you are To help avoid of our pissed diseases. Fishing fly grasshoppers any of the worms. The later the better now as far as these armyworm fall armyworm go as of last week. They looked to me like they were about mature larvae so they will look for a place and that's why you see them crawling across whole sidewalks or roads or someplace. They're hidden for a site to pay. Did they pay new soil cracks crevices in in the graham under thatch. They'll take four to five days to pay. Day will emerge as a moth after four or five days. They will mate they will lay eggs. That aches take another four or five days to hatch so if you planted right now you've got about ten days without any army worm egg-laying going on in that field now that remember. That's the generality because jerry places a little bit different but if you were planning you've got ten days of plants start germinating and all those mazar out. They've already laid their eggs. They didn't lay their eggs on your green we because there wasn't any green we there they look for sites with greenery because that's what the larvae need to survive on. So that's why i say the later. You can hold off planting generally speaking the better off yard to help manage or just miss the largest flight of of these moths. It's much better than trying to spray for them. Some of the guys had sprayed their brome. Once you get so many worms in their guests summating the greenery that gotten out and straighten it a pretty good job of cleaning them up and from what i've heard takes thirty six forty eight hours later. F you've treated them for that rome patch to start bringing up and coming back so they were most most of the folks that i've talked to pretty happy with a treatment but again they shouldn't kill out the brohm pass they should just feed on it because they're grazers and rome is a perennial so should just keep coming back after that and one of the things you say is coming up. Are these armyworm a threat to alpha stans as they're starting to fade in their growth heading into the dormant period. Same thing with alfalfa Got several calls about worms and as you know getting to the point where a lot of producers are trying to decide whether to treat or whether to swath right now or just let it go going into the women. If you do have a serious armyworm fall armyworm or beet. Armyworm infestation in your alfalfa and it's within a week of swapping. I recommend going ahead and cut it instead of spraying We have seen a couple of fields earlier this year. That has serious infestations of of fall armyworm and army were they were all swath and the birds attack worms and the one of them to come back and the re-growth came back pretty quickly. So i'm hoping that instead of spraying right now if you just swab it if it's if like i said it's about a week of swamping just swap. I don't think you'll have a problem with the army rooms coming back next week. Jeff we want to have you back for just in brief noting here. You say we've a few issues in soybeans that bear monitoring we ever seen some problems with grasshoppers. You know we've had quite a few offers this year. We're also seeing stink bugs That have hatched earlier. They're becoming a little more prolific around soybean so probably something we have visit about indeed. We'll do so next week as we catch up with you once again. Thanks for giving us the low down on that multitude of army worms out there and the potential threats to our field crops per sheet. Your time is always a pleasure. Mature that from research and extension crop entomologist k. State jeff whitworth. You're listening to agriculture today. We're back now on agriculture. Today eric atkinson with you and once more we turn to an individual from the farm service agency state headquarters for kansas. This is the segment. We referred to as f- essay coffee talk and get the latest in this case on the usda's loan programs in a specific option available to you producers. Josh ritter is the farm loan chief with the kansas essay. We have discussed the various loan programs. That your shop administers before josh. But you want to expand today on a loan program for grain storage purposes. Tell us more about it yeah. Ffa administers loan program specifically for grain storage. Which is our farm storage facility. Loan or fsl program. This program is intended to be used by producers to help them store handle and or transport eligible commodities they produce most commonly the episode fell program is used for storage structures such as grain bins and grain distribution systems but in addition to the program can also be used for the following purposes. Hey storage structures both tanks milk storage cold storage for me. Eggs or fruits and vegetables and also portable equipment used a handle eligible commodities which would include augurs grain carts hay wagons baggers unloaders and storage and handling trucks including semi trucks grain trucks in semitrailers like grain hoppers cetera. Important information there it's more than just grain bins. What these loans can support. Who is eligible to utilize the program and while talking about that. What are some of the main requirements. Here think the first thing to point out about this program is that the commodity that the producer wants to store must be ineligible commodity. Luckily for us in kansas eligible commodities include hey and most grains commonly raised in our state such as we corn soybeans and milo other eligible commodities would include fruits and vegetables. Meat eggs and milk. Another thing to keep in mind. Is that the person or entity applying for the loan must be the producer of the eligible commodity. This program is not authorized for commercial storage. So f- assay will complete a storage calculation to verify that the applicant shows a need for the storage structure based on reported production acres for grain. Storage we can consider the applicant storage needs for two years a production cold-storage which would include fruits vegetables meats milk etcetera is limited to one year of storage needs. Now there. are you say financial requirements for the producer applying for the loan to satisfy under this facility. Storage loan program right. Yeah and we've previously discussed that. Most efforts alone programs have requirement that the applicants are able to obtain the needed credit from a commercial lender. but that's not a requirement for this farm storage facility loan program. Ffa can make a facility. Loan to an applicant has resources necessary to obtain a loan from a commercial lender As part of our financial review episode is required. Review the applicants curtain balance sheet. And that's the verify that the applicant has the resources available to make the required down payment and in addition will analyze typical your cash flow projection ensure that applicant can make the annual payment on the loan always of interest. What are the terms of the loans including interest. Of course you might run through those sure yeah. The maximum loan amount is five hundred thousand dollars for each loan so applicants can have multiple loans provided they show the storage need and can payment -bility for those loans. Applicants are required to make a down payment of fifteen percent of the total cost of the structure or equipment and there is a possibility for a slightly lower down payment requirement on small. Owns a fifty thousand dollars. Less the available terms for f- loans are three five seven ten or twelve years. The loan term corresponds with alone amounts of smaller loans are amortized for a shorter time and larger loans offer along emerson period and the interest rate under. This program are established each month so the interest rate for each loan is the rate in effect at the time of loan approval and it's fixed for the term of the loan currently the interest rates are very low for example for loans approved in september a three year term carries an interest rate of point. Three seven five percent and a twelve year term has an interest rate of one point three seven five percent so once again those terms are to encourage participation to be certain there is some form or level of security required for obtaining one of these loans one would assume yeah and the security requirements depend upon the aggregate outstanding loan amount which really means that we have to consider any outstanding principal balances on existing. Nfl loans and the amount of the new loan requests determining what security will be required so for aggregate amounts of one hundred thousand dollars or less a lien will be required on whatever is being purchased with the facility loan for example if the applicant is purchasing grain been will require lean on the grain being purchased to meet our security requirements for aggregate amounts over one hundred thousand dollars a lean unattractive. Real estate is required. In addition to the lean being taken on whatever is being purchased with the loan funds as an alternative to a lien on the structurally on real estate. We do offer. The option that the applicant can provide an irrevocable letter of credit from their lending institution if an vocal letter of creditors received in that satisfies the security requirement for the episode alone. And are there any application fees associated with the loan program then yeah there is a nonrefundable. Application fee of one hundred dollars at a charged for each fsl application in addition if the loan is secured by real estate. The applicant would be required to pay for an appraisal if needed and all costs associated with title work mortgage filings and and all those sorts of things once more all of this is put together to entice producers to go ahead and construct whatever storage facilities. They're looking into for their operation. So out is one who's interested in the loan program launched that application process. Sure and i wanna point out that. Kansas has regionalized the delivery of the of this program so we have four offices in the state that are primarily responsible for administering the program however i would recommend interested individuals contact their local office and then that local office will be able to assist the producer along with regional offices to make it as easy a process as possible so that local contact that your ffa headquarters and few finer details here and one is a very key issue. You want to remind folks about yeah. I want potential applicants to keep in mind that f. l. loans must be approved for any site. Preparation and or construction can be started so all loan requests are subject to environmental evaluation and accepting delivery of equipment or starting any site preparation construction before loan approval may impede the successful completion of that environmental evaluation and may adversely affect eligibility. So with that in mind. We recommend anybody interested in this program. Contact fa early in the planning stages. This will help us ensure that all environmental regulations are followed correctly. And we'll also give us a chance to help producers with the application process to make sure everything goes smooth as again very well. Well that is a quick rundown on the usda's farm storage facility loan program and it's put together to be of good appeal to producers who have a storage space need be for grain. Be it for other commodities. Look into it and the starting point for doing that would be your local. fsa counter. Talk with those folks josh. Thanks for the update on a very important opportunity for producers. Thank you have a good day you as well farm loan chief with the farm service agency state office for kansas. That's josh ritter taking us up to the break word on another. Usda program which was recently expanded to help drought impacted livestock producers recover some of the costs associated with transporting feed due to poor grazing conditions. The usda's rod bain fills us in. It is one of the programs available from the agriculture department to help livestock producers of the west great plains mitigate the impacts of severe drought conditions the emergency livestock assistance program you lap and agriculture secretary. Tom ville sack recently. Explained during a white house. Press briefing that through ee lap. Historically we've always provided resources to farmers to be able to pay for the cost of hauling water to their facilities if they had a situation where the drought and they needed to access additional water. There's a cost associated with that and we helped to defer some of that expense now. New adjustments at lap will also cover costs for the transport of feed for drought impacted. Livestock that rely on grazing. We know that. These farmers particularly in the western. Us are going to be confronted with having a truck or rail feet from far distances. And that's going to be incredibly increased cost to them so we're going to use this emergency program to provide up to sixty percent of the additional costs that they're incurring above and beyond what they would normally occur for transportation expense and for a limited resource farmers. It could be as much as ninety percent of assistance and help. A lap is under the farm service agency suite of programs. Ffa administrators act. dushi know. Explain some of the logistics involved with a lap covering feed transportation costs of eligible producers. This will trigger when the drought intensity is d two for eight consecutive weeks or that. Drought intensity is d. Three on the drought monitor or if. Usda determines a shortage of local or regional feet availability additional details on how fee transportation cost assistance is determined include a formula which will be established by the f. essay in the usda will be used to determine those reimbursement costs. We won't include the i twenty five miles. We won't include distances over a thousand miles because we have to have some type of cap on it. But we'll help producers figure out what that differences and make a payment based on that amount cost share assistance will also be made available to cover eligible cost in treating hey or feed to prevent spread of invasive pests like fire ants another eligibility requirement producers must have incurred feed transportation costs after january first of this year applications for payment under this provision. V lap must be submitted to local f. a. offices by no later than january thirtieth two thousand twenty two i broadband reporting for the us department of agriculture in washington dc and. We'll return shortly with today's agricultural news headlines and more for you here on agriculture today now in its ninety seven year of service to agriculture. This is the case state radio network. And you're listening to agriculture today. Eric atkinson here now. Today's agricultural news headlines for you courtesy in part of data while little is known about how the biden administration will rewrite the waters of the united states or quotas rules. epa administrator. michael. Regan says that exemptions for farming and ranching activities would remain in place in addition regan told state agricultural regulators that the agency is hoping to have a proposed rule reflecting pre two thousand fifteen definitions out for public comment by some time in november with rewrite proposal. Out for comment sometime this coming winter. Now regan was speaking at the national association of state departments of agriculture this week when he made these comments. Since nineteen ninety-three federal regulations have included an exclusion from jurisdiction for prior converted. Croplands regan said the forthcoming rule will propose retaining that exclusion. The clean water act also exempts discharges allowed associated with normal farming ranching enforced reactivity such as ploughing cultivating drainage and harvesting for food fiber enforced production on up land soil and water conservation practices. Regan said that. Epa's goal is to write a new rule that will bring clarity for farmers and ranchers and he said the new proposed rule would maintain all agricultural exemptions including minor drainage as well as the construction and maintenance of irrigation ditches. Regan said the new rule would not overburden or penalized farmers. While protecting water quality african swine fever has spread to haiti as the world. Organisation for animal. Health has confirmed an outbreak there. The oi- report the first indication that the virus may have spread from the dominican republic where it was identified in the western hemisphere for the first time in decades. This report indicates there were two hundred thirty four cases of asf found among backyard. Heard of about twenty five hundred animals. In haiti the report indicated. The origin of the infection is either unknown or inconclusive. The usda's animal health inspection service announced this week. It had shut off the flow of pork products from prato rico and the us virgin islands while the us government sets up a system to prevent the spread of the virus to the mainland us. The oie said the haitians are taking several steps in response including surveillance quarantine and screening additional animals in the region. Officials are preparing to take additional steps of establishing protection zones controlling movement of pigs inside that country and other measures now at the end of last week the usda had suspended the movement of all live swine swine germplasm pork products and swine byproducts from puerto rico and the virgin islands to the us mainland in effort to prevent the spread of asf. So far it has not been detected in either of those locations. The animal and plant health inspection service back in july confirmed in the dominican republic and a usda official said earlier in august that the us was trying to accelerate efforts to eradicate feral hogs in puerto rico and expand testing efforts in haiti and the dominican republic are the current low interest rates on farm loans expected to remain. Well one official has more to say about that. And this report from gary crawford of course farmers today depend on credit and are dependent on reasonable interest rates. And the good news on that. Is this right now. At producers are experiencing some of the lowest interest rates. They've ever experienced in Since we've been measuring really finances. And he should know. He's jackson tech cash chief economist for farmer mac and he told outlook for and put on by agra. Pulse this week. That not only are interest rates very low but if you look at how many cents out of every dollar farmer earns that gets eaten up an interest payments. It was thirty five cents back during the farm crisis of the eighties to do something more. Like ten to twelve cents very modest levels very manageable levels. And i think our new normal is going to be right around thirteen cents to fifteen cents mark. So we're gonna hold that level Given where interest rates are in the outlook for interest rates and here. This jackson says even though current interest rates are really low. Farmers in the next few months might see yet another decline. But it's gonna be on smaller than some of the more dramatic decreases we've seen over the last twelve to twenty four months. This is gary crawford reporting for us. Department of agriculture group of eighty seven ethanol and grain companies who are members of growth energy. Sent a letter to president biden calling for his support of the renewable fuel standard. The ethanol industry awaiting the release of proposed. Rfs volumes for two thousand twenty one and twenty two and possibly proposal to reduce volumes from twenty twenty in that letter. The company said they have continued to work through a number of obstacles to keep their businesses profitable. They said ethanol should be part of a strategy to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in transportation because ethanol reduces carbon emissions by forty six percent compared to fossil fuels. They said a recent analysis concludes that if we are to achieve net zero by twenty-fifty quoting them. We must use all the tools in the toolbox including biofuels companies are asking biden to assure that the volumes for conventional biofuels remain at fifteen billion gallons and to restore five hundred megan gallons fuel blending requirements for advanced and say bio-fuels while nine state beef. Councils joined together recently to showcase beef on a national stage scarlet. Hagan's tells us here. Numerous culinary enthusiasts were able to enjoy various recipes and learn more about how beef is produced the kansas florida iowa nebraska ohio oklahoma south dakota tennessee and texas beef councils partner to sponsor the twenty twenty one american culinary federation national convention held in orlando florida last month. The event drew nearly seven hundred professional shifts students and culinary instructors from across the country as part of the checkoffs sponsorship attendees were greeted at the welcome reception by the beef. It's what's for dinner station. Featuring bob beef tacos made with grilled tears major. This provided an opportunity for the beef. It's what's for dinner team including kansas beef council director of marketing. Charlie human to engage with chefs and showcase an innovative beef product beef. It's what's for dinner. Also had a presence in the trade show where attendees could interact with staff and pick up materials such as food service cut charts beef marveling posters and handouts explaining the beef life cycle additionally pop-up stations featuring samples of mexican style beef sausage cornbread muffins deviled eggs with sliced try tip and buffalo style. Beef bites were available between sessions beef short ribs. Were at the center of the plate for the president's grand ball the final event of the meeting sponsoring the american culinary federation national convention and distributing beef industry. Packs has been important especially in the last few years as meat alternative groups attempt to infiltrate the food service market. I'm scarlet hagans. And that's a quick recap of today's agricultural news gusts vendor. Hoven is in next. You're tuned to agriculture today. This is agriculture today. Stop look and listen. This is our state kansas. I've passed wild plum and pick the higher fruit. That's gus vendor hoven of kansas state university with comment on life in rural kansas. It was a nice crisp morning the kind of morning i associate this autumn the full season go down the driveway. I notice the toll grasses and flowers alone decide they're gonna rats and the thistle. I really like and look for each fall is the toll. Fissile also called roadside fissile. I like that name as it grows along the side of my driveway. Bees and butterflies were hanging around and visiting the flowers. then it's not sticky. Hot is fun to get the mail. And look at vodkas blooming. I see the first small astor's also nerve. Dogwood has started to change color. The leaves are turning purple and the fruit. The wide berries are pronounced on the farm. I passed a while plump and pick the higher fruit. We can still have warm hot days but the nights are getting cooler. And so i'd early mornings. I love this time of the year. I noticed the paul bluestar watch. Each year is six feet. Tall is clump along the driveway. I know and recognized by stints now other walk the trail on the hill and look for the club there many years ago took a photo while i stood next to it this martine than a baby in a back carrier. I'm pulling the tall grass vicious turkish food over while he is grabbing for it. A happy baby sitting high had debt was a long time ago. He is forty four years now. Other grasses prominent are diplom- indian grass. There's purple love grass and fox tails. I my wife select and cut to make bucase as you slowly walk the on grace bradley like on my hill. It is amazing. What all gross there. It's used to first-rate me. Did not always instantly know the name of the plant and everything that i had to know about it. I've learned and had allowed myself to simply enjoy. You cannot know everything and you're surely shoot up. Pretend you do. It's one reason. Value my book so much vis old resources. Maybe you use google on the computer. Flowers leaves and ripe fruit at telling us fall is a bonus but so the fresh spider webs boven across the trails. The other morning benhas driving by harvest. It's cornfield. i noticed. A flock of canadian. Geese hunkered down resting and grazing now. Debt is a sign of autumn. I- schroeck to track down. I looked at the flock of birds. They were on the race south but found a good and safe place to rest and feed. Dickey's seem to be in. No hurry so from now on the yard work can also slow down. The loan grow beck. Show fast if it grows at all soon. One last moaning. They'll do it. It feels so good not to be in a hurry. The rest of the season. My big fall job is to clear clean out to shed. I must organized lumber stored. There i have to reorganize the space zoo gucci stores. A lot through some pecora strive to make it home also and they're not welcome on the farm the couch have you taken off the grass one cow short before i have walked the draws to look if our died then we were short before they have found the lost neighbors just as we have had numbers of his neighbors cows on our property. It's not that bad. it's because some cows just like it better on the other side. They would be coming back this week and look. I hope they find her or else then. The neighbors pulled the cows off david call. Hey we have cows then. Sometimes this fall one. Third range will be burnt again. We now fall. Pech burning are back to the very first pitch them into smoke hangs over the hills and settles over to draw. I for a moment this spring. But it's not be burning the fall and it seems to work at least for us and then sprint gums. I after remind my neighbors that i've already burned and to please control their burn the group and all the day's it's have to come first. We have thanksgiving and holidays then comes. Winter freezes and snow. I hope gooch knows this winter and then it is winter be. They'll be burning route in the fireplace. There's plenty of goodwill dried and neatly stack. I'll throw a tarp over the stack of so that it stays dry. Just think a good fire in a good book the tough thing right now. Is that family planning to come this fall but account enter the country is because of the covert virus. The shouli hope dead by christmas. The borders are open. I know we can talk about this but we all need to be vaccinated. But i'll be honest in my own extended family that different opinions as state country. A world be must get on top of this. I will get my flu shot. I'm an old man but live is to goat. I like to celebrate more beautiful. Kansas autumn's gusts vendor hoven of kansas state university with his weekly commentary on life in rural kansas. That'll do it for our wednesday edition but this advance notice in a couple of weeks. Agriculture today will be undergoing a slight change in what you hear. Each weekday something a shorter version but nonetheless still loaded up with information that we hope and believe will remain of great interest and value to all of you in production agriculture and in allied ventures. You'll continue to hear several of the standard features. You're accustomed to and as this transition continues. Likely some new things as well. This ever so slightly. New format begins a week from this monday. Hope you'll find it to your liking in the meantime. Thanks for tuning in today. We're looking forward to having you right back here with us tomorrow until then eric atkinson for agriculture today. Over the case state radio network.
CCPA Enforcement Begins: What Were Learning
"Welcome to the BBB, national programs podcast better series when we will explore top of mind, topics and self-regulation with business and industry leaders together we seek to understand the leading trends and innovations that continue to push the envelope in today's marketplace. Thank you for joining us today on the better series podcast. I'm James Lee. Nearly two years ago, the California legislature passed the most comprehensive privacy. CYBERSECURITY allied United States California consumer privacy, act or CPA. The law gives consumers a wide range of rights in creates a series of obligations for businesses from giving consumers access to the information about them to acting on customer requests that businesses do not sell a consumer data for marketing purposes. And then there are the potential fines the largest in the US as well as the ability of consumers to sue companies directly for damages for violations of certain provisions. The CCPA went into effect on January first of this year, but the enforcement of the act was July. First, and while the plain language of the act gives us a general idea of what the law requires. It is the regulations proposed by the California. Attorney General that gives us a somewhat clearer road map to compliance and chest. When we thought we knew what the CCPA requires. There is now the prospect of voters strengthening the act in November. Thanks to a new ballot initiative. You combine that with a series of CCPA CPA. That are already filed, and you have all the ingredients needed to shape the nature privacy in the US for years to come. Jillions? Lamont is a privacy in cybersecurity associated Hogan Levels Heather Fetterman is vice, President Privacy and policy at big ID and Cohen's Wifa. Keegan is a privacy lawyer with the BBB national programs working to build new accountability initiatives for the future privacy. Joining us today to talk about all things CCPA what it means for the US businesses, and what's on the horizon, so everyone? Thanks for joining us today. Thanks so much for having us. So copen, US, talk first so I'm going to ask you first. Let's get started with a quick refresher to bring everybody up to speed. What is actually included in the EPA? What what does it do for consumers? And what does it do for businesses? Thank you, James for that question. The CPA is. Really the first? Law in the United States that starts to provide for some of the GDP. Style requirements that we are beginning to see his best practices for privacy, so that includes things like. Consumer Rights Taika right to access that you just mentioned other, the CCPA really is. Unique in its. Understanding of some of those rights and it really focuses operationally on this. Do not sell requirement allowing consumers to of the sale of their personal information, which is a little bit of a different way of thinking about it and other laws that we've seen In terms of operations is requiring. Lots of updates to data-processing agreements between between different types of companies and. A lot of the usual types of UPDATES in. Internal. Privacy Practices to make sure the company's understand where data comes from where where it's going to who they share it with whether they do sell it, which is some question? There's some. Contention there of what that really means and Then how to implement some of the consumer rights that CCPA provides for. That, Really has shown in practice to have some. The there's been quite a bit of uncertainty in the marketplace. As companies have tried to implement this. Regulation Law in the draft regulations sort of in real time with a fairly short lead up time compared to some. Prior laws that we've seen. And that has caused I. Think is considerable amount of friction in the inbetween businesses in particular as people have. Really. CONC-. Have really thought of the law in different ways, and That is something that I think. Is Beginning to start to play itself out as we sit in this particular moment where she was just about to be implemented about to go into force and we'll be start to begin seeing enforcement actions, even as it continues even as the story continues to change, and so I think that that was part of the idea behind this episode. Today is to really focus on this moment as Which is a pretty unique environment? Where we're just at the beginning of enforcement, after a long period of time of uncertainty, lead up and implementation and moving onto the next stage. Julian. Let's build on that. In your practice, which focuses a lot in these areas. This law was passed by the legislature in twenty eighteen. There are some amendments twenty nineteen, so people have had a time to look at it. The regulations of less time to look at how has this view of the law change in this continuum Do we still think of it the same way we did in two thousand eighteen, when it first passed as this sort of rapid release. Of A bill that came together at what ten to fourteen days Do we still view it the same way? Today looking back and looking at the regulations are. Or is it, is it? Is it, is it? Is it evolving and evolving rapidly our understanding? Well, thanks James I do think that you could kind of characterize it as evolving so obviously, the attorney. General received a significant authority from the text of the CPA Further outline, certain areas but. but I think the important thing there is that while the attorney general for example was asked to align verification verification procedures for for consumers who submit rights requests, the Attorney General, also kind of significantly outlined or kind of Further describe some of the compliance obligations that companies had. And By the way I just WanNa, go back because Kobe kind of characterize. This is something that's changing and I think that's absolutely true. We can't forget that you know. While the CCPA Statute was passed in June twenty eighteen. The initial regulations from the Attorney General didn't come out until October twenty nineteen just a couple of months, or a few months before the CPA would enter into force, which was January first, twenty twenty and then there was a first set of modifications that came out in February and a second set of modifications that came out in March. And, with each, there were some changes that businesses kind of had to take account of in building out their compliance procedures and kind of a good way to think about it is that the initial draft regulations were pretty strict or not so much strict took a very conservative approach to some of the obligations, and then in February the attorney general roll some of those back. I think an important provision came out then. That came out with the February release was how businesses could think about personal information, and that personal information that the business did not maintain in a way that would allow it to identify an individual or household. Would would not be personal information within the meaning of the act, but then that was something that was rolled back in the march release. you know? Leaving some. Or some of that original uncertainty about the true scope of personal information of the Attorney General also made some important clarifications for example the definition of household. Of you know. The the CCP contains a pretty broad definition of the types of information it covers which are personal information in those that's the information related, not only to individual consumers, but as well to households, which is undefined in the statute. And initially. Was Not defined. Clearly in in the regulations they were just defined as you know individuals in in single dwelling. But as the drafts evolved that definition as well evolved with some clarity now. You know kind of limiting the scope of household, and so this very much is something that has been evolving. Since that while since the CCPA was in engine, twenty eighteen, but certainly since the initial regulations came out in October twenty nineteen and assuming that those now our final. You know there shouldn't be any more changes but businesses. In a way still don't have clarity on what exactly is required of them. Because what's happened is that the Attorney General submitted final regulations for approval by the California Office of Administrative Law, but the away out. That office has not yet approved and implemented the regulations, and so we're in a situation now. Where as of July first, which at the time of recording was yesterday, the attorney general could start enforcing the CPA but all of the clarifications that came through and the additional requirements or I guess the clarified requirements that came through in the rags, technically are not yet implemented. And so this is. Kind of further. The uncertainty that businesses are facing related to the exact obligations under the CPA. Uncertainty is the word of the boarding. It sounds like that. Yeah. A heather businesses hate uncertainty. They need that level of stability to be able to plan and do the things that successful businesses do on a daily basis. What have they been doing to get ready to comply with clearly something that they're not really sure what they need to do to comply with. And the I mean you're. You're right James and thank you for having me. It's been a bit of a cluster because there hasn't really been any certainty as to. What can you do and in a business context? You typically want to know how you're going to execute how you could operationalize something. That isn't always clear right now. So one thing that I've heard from other businesses in stakeholders, and and myself as well is just a essentially applying the eighty twenty rule of just understanding that you probably won't be able to achieve one hundred percent compliance with this law, because there's a lot going on here and as we've been saying this law is, it seems to be constantly changing and the only constant in life is change. We can get the main core competencies in features of this law built in to our privacy program embedded within our business operations than we could. At least be in a much better place in not in the place of May may be tearing our hair out trying to figure out what's going on here. And so when I think of what is within that eighty percent. I, think of in terms of what's the data that actually dealing with so step zero for any organization is to really be able to say okay. These are all data assets I have, and this might be what is covered under this ever changing definition of personal information. Because from there, we can classify data out. We can tagger data. We can figure out what we need to do with our data, and that helps us fulfill the other piece of this puzzle, which is part of this law about the consumer data rights obligations, so if someone wants to know the data that a company would have about them. Will I have to know where that data is within. Within my systems and figure out the right way to be able to provide a report on what the date is, and be able to repeat this process again and again and again so it's figuring out that eighty percent of okay, here is my data. Here's the way I'm going. Operationalize its program for C. CPA and be able to do this in a way that a scalable and hopefully automated. In might be dependent upon the type of business you're dealing with because some businesses might not be getting a whole lot of consumer requests right now, perhaps they're not a consumer facing company. They're not in a hot seat, so there hasn't been any pr about them lately, but the sort of thing that even if you aren't necessarily a consumer facing company that's constantly in the news. You still need to be considering right now. Because if there were a data-breach well, there are provisions in this regulation thought you could. You could have a class action or private right of action so I I really think that's kind of what. Have to consider as we can't ignore this, but we can't drive yourself crazy. And I looked to someone like Juliet to help me understand the finer points of this law as they're constantly evolving, but in the meantime I have to consider what's the most practical approach to to get through here? Probably a good time to point out that this law is extraterritorial. You don't have to be in California for a to apply to you so. Coburn. As been any best practice emerge yet from inside the state or businesses outside the state or for someone who looks to help organizations comply and find the best way to do that What are you saying? Yen to clarify. I think yet for for businesses you don't have to be. headquartered in California for apply to them for sure because they're going to be processing. The data of of consumers in California has defined under the under the rules The. That's a very good question when you're thinking about. How companies are actually. Both implementing the actual requirements of this law, and also looking to the future because I think, we all know that this isn't going to be the last piece of privacy, legislation, or regulation that we see setting the standards. The minimum standards for. Privacy Best Practices moving forward, so I think a lot of companies really are seizing the. Actually looking at the uncertainty as an opportunity to set themselves apart in terms of privacy compliance, so you see for example like Microsoft saying you know we're going to apply CPA rights to all to everywhere across the board and I think there's some differentiation there I would I would like to hear from the others actually whether they see that as a standard practice I some companies some often, it's easier depending on how your data is structured to just apply new rights to all of your users rather than try to create two sets of rules. For different for different types of users but it really depends on the business, so it's interesting to see how that's how that's developed. That's been one thing that I've asked a number of companies about and I get many different answers. To that question. Yet Kobe I I can jump in there I agree that this that the CCPA's something that. Impacts. The practices of businesses outside of California because as you mentioned could, it can be difficult to implement various compliance practices depending. Solely on who the consumer is at the time, and this is something that we saw with the European. Union's General Data Protection Regulation. Was that some You know controllers under that law. Some businesses decided to implement the rights. Arising out of the GDP are. Globally, and so that certainly is something that I think we're seeing under CCPA where a business would for example you know, commit to honoring of consumer rights requests for any US consumer, but I don't think it's the norm and I. Think and I'm not sure will. Emerge as such because it's you know it's one thing to to commit to. Providing writes to to individuals or to users outside of California, but it's another to really go through the kind of back end processes that. A. Business needs to do to be able to provide those rights, and so it requires substantial data mapping for example, and also just really understanding. The Way Your Business is structured and also. What type of sharing you're doing with third parties? Or more to the point, service providers under the law. And so I'm not sure that. Applying CCPA, more broadly, would really become the norm or you know the there might be a situation where there would be a more limited application, so for example a business would say. You know under the CPA California consumers have the right to access information about our collection and use of their information that might be something that that the business is able to offer to consumers outside of California were as for example, the data deletion. Right. Under. The EPA would be more difficult to implement more broadly and frankly it. Could you know substantially disrupt? This business practices if it were applied more broadly so i. think while we are seeing some companies, applying a these rights or Assisi compliance measures more broadly were still seeing you know notices that are specifically tailored to California consumers. That include all of the the disclosures that are required under the CPA. And the and the same would go for. for providing consumer rights. Yeah. Just going to jump in there, I agree with Julian's perspective on this that I think for the time being. We're going to see a California only approach as the majority for businesses in. Businesses can also at the very beginning of the process. Basically. gave out anyone who's not from California. Because part of what this law requires that you have to verify consumers identity in order to fulfil their request in exercising one of these rights, and in that process, you can basically ask someone well. Where are you from? So you kind of actually have to know the consumer before you can give them more information about what you have about them, but in that process you can determine okay, so it's a California resident. If not I can send them a friendly message, saying we're not honoring request from outside California at this time, so you could keep it as simple as that. It might not always look great from A. Business PR perspective, but that is a stance that many businesses have taken. So we're in the middle of a pandemic, so there's not a lot of normal of there's certainly were not playing baseball right now when we should be, but here comes a curveball. We're now. Know that in California in November, there is going to be on the ballot. The C. P., R., A. The California Consumer Privacy Rights at so it's going to if it passes through a whole new set of regulations and whole new set of obligations onto business and rights given to consumers. What do we do about that? Yen before. We even get into that James into the details. Of I, think that that raises a really good point to what Hetherington and Julian. We're just talking about which is a it feels to me that. Doing. The California only approach sort of the can down. The Road many times because we know that. Most of these. Like access, rights and deletion, rights are going to be included an are included in basically every draft legislation at privacy legislation that we're seeing right now and so especially when you're already going through the motions of implementing a verification system and trying to like. Figure out specifically how you're going to honor deletion requests for Californians it just to some extent strikes me as funny that you make that extra move of I. Don't know of of. Only applying that to certain people although I guess I mean at the end of the day there's there's work required for each deletion reclassification requests, so you can try to to limit that to some extent, but for me it seems that the PR benefit the kind of thinking of it as a customer service, aspects of away of building trust with consumers actually outweighs that. so it's just interesting to hear how how businesses have been approaching that at this time. So, how will that change when we get additional? Requirements or will it. Right exactly and so yeah, and we can certainly move into the CPR issue then as well. I think I just wanted to pick up on that on your point. which is that you know, you characterize not providing CCPA. Rights more broadly than to California consumers as kicking the can down the road. You know it's it's certainly true that. Privacy new privacy. Laws are really I guess what we refer to as baseline privacy legislation, which is legislation that would regulate data. Across various industries are are emerging in various places and are being considered. You know in a number of states. What's unclear is how similar to the CPA. Those will be so certainly you know, see CPA spinoff, which is kind of a term people like to use is a thing and and. Various states have considered laws that really look a lot like the CCPA. The thing is and you characterize the CPA kind of at the opening of this podcast It's really a law that's focused on sales, so that's disclosures of personal information. To third parties for? Monetary or other valuable consideration and so. It's it's not clear to me whether this kind of sales focused, legislation is really the way privacy laws are going to develop in other places. And James also mentioned the the covert aspect I. Mean I think I think it's important to note that wants? The CCPA came out. You know commentators or people in in this community. that. States would kind of race to implemented would be able to approve. And enact. CCPA type laws so that first of all that didn't that didn't happen. Certainly not as quickly as as some expected now in addition in this current legislative session you in the in the various legislators across the states a. There were again as with last year. bills you know probably in ten privacy bills and ten plus states and. Those. In most cases didn't gain too much traction. And then you had this Cova complication where a lot of the legislators had to close, and then not only did they have to close, but they closed or on kind of a public safety related hiatus, until after their legislative session ended and so because of that I think it's unlikely that at least this year we're going to see. You know we're going to see any meaningful privacy legislation emerge I'm not I. can't you know talk about next year? I don't know what would come back. I think I. think another important piece to talk about with. This is the Washington Privacy Act. Which? You know we got pretty close to passing twice now. It didn't include the sales. Piece of you know that the CCPA has an really was kind of more of a of a law. kind of a GDP are spin. Offer a you know a law similar to the General Data Protection Regulation in Europe, and even that you know. Did. Not Pass even though when up twice and actually this year in the second go round received approval from the House and approval from the Senate. And then you know the the two. Houses who had amended their own versions of the bill were unable to reach a resolution. You know citing really the key difference being on enforcement whether to include a private right of action or not and so. Well while I agree with what you said that. You know in some ways, it's kicking. The can down the road not to implement the CCPA more broadly. It's actually not clear the exact shape that privacy laws in other places or at the federal level will take, and so I think you know a lot of businesses feel like while they're required to do this now. In California and maybe some implementation of that more broadly, which is what I reference with for example giving you know maybe providing some of the rights more broadly possible really really doing CPA type implementation more brawley than California may be unnecessarily burdensome. Right on I. I hear you there that makes total sense especially when. I think it is the general consensus that CCPA as we've been continuing to have these policy discussions. CPA does feel more and more. Like a one off it. It does feel a little different than where consensus is on. It's kind of always felt that way it was. It was who sort of uniquely. Crafted and conceptual. Focused on sale. And let let me jump in here, so make sure we cover this because we're we're. We are coming close on time. There were provisions of GDP are which were very disruptive, particularly around notice, and it is effectively killed some of the some of the practices that have been bedrock in digital advertising for example. Because you can't. You can't get notice in a meaningful way from consumers every time they click on a link every time they go to a particular website, so it has been very disruptive in some areas when we look at the CCPA CPA, and we look at what may be coming down the road with CPI CPR a assuming it. It does pass in November. Is there anything in these to the one existing long one proposed that has the potential to be that kind of disruptor. I can. This is Julian I can jump in on this one. which is that I think we're already seeing that disruption so I. Think you're right, James that. GDP, are Maybe not precluded, but really you know created an impasse for a lot of businesses, or or at least force them to think of new ways to deliver services, and to maybe delivered different services, and and a lot of that was based on the consent requirement. That's that's something that's kind of implicit in the CPA because of the way it limits sharing with third parties. It it takes a different approach which is that it allows consumers to opt out of the types of sharing that Why I guess it's still arguable you know the exact scope of of what's covered under the CPA in terms of whether you know cross contextual advertising. Is You know always? GonNa be a sale. But but certainly giving consumers the ability to opt out of that, and also requiring that businesses provide disclosure specifically. Related to those types of you know that type of sharing with third parties I think it can be a big disruptor. And also mentioned that you know in the lead up to implementation of the CCPA we saw a number of bodies and large service providers. Release functionality associated with the tools. that you know. That that businesses can kind of. Adopt or enable that would. Seriously affect the functioning of. A know the services they provide, so example is Google's restricted data processing functionality, and then more recently, the facebook limited data use functionality You know under both of those when a business. Enables the tool. The the service providers will treat the information as a service provider would would need to under the CPA to avoid sale and so what that does is it you know limits the effectiveness for example of ad campaigns and the analytics that the business would get back. From the service provider, and so I. You. Know were already seeing that substantial impact. Heather and with your with your customers because you're helping them comply. Are they even aware that CPR A is a potential is even on the horizon yet, and if it is what are they worried about with this? This version of the California Privacy Law. Yeah everyone's aware how much attention everyone's going to pay to it right now. That's a separate. Question I. Mean I think if we go back to that approach of being? Practical! It's looking at the implications of CPR. A of what are the big sweeping changes here and saying okay well, how can we extend this? Because in some ways it does bring it more on par with GDP are so for a company that's already complying with GDP are this may not be as big of a push for a company where that say they're more Just they have a US focus than this might be a bigger push especially in terms of some of the advertising implications. Also comes up in the regulations for the AJ. Because the AG seems to talk about, do not track which you know, what what does that even mean right now, is there some sort of global enabled way to opt out were I'm not quite sure so I. think There's a lot that still really confusing and at still changing but I also. Also think it's somewhat exciting and businesses want to do their best to comply so I'm also seeing that as well and just just one other thought I wanted to put out there as we were talking about earlier. The California versus other states is that the way that CPA in CPR a were created was very unique to the way that California lawmaking works. C. C.. C. C. P. A. was initially about initiative, which lobbyists and lawmakers were not happy about and the group that opposed the about initiative. They took that away and allowed a compromise legislative bill to go in place. which is what we're seeing with C. CPA, today, the backers of see CPI the Californians for consumer privacy. Not Happy with what they've seen over the last two years since the CPA was signed into law, and that's how CPR AA came about now. What's on the ballot for November whether or not? It's going to get past I don't know, but if it does get passed, and this is what we're stuck within the states but I, also think that our weight, so we're waiting on dot were waiting on regulations, and then also it's going to take several. Several years to really figure out what this means. Because we'll start to see how this trickles out through, the courts will start to see. What does the A G really care about when it comes to enforcement, so there's still a lot of unknown variables, so so for the businesses that I've spoken with an and for us. It's really trying to figure out what is the practical approach. What is it that we can actually do to do our best? Okay. We're going to give everybody one last word. About the State of privacy, and where we think it's going so and I know we'll get to revisit this later in the year because we are going to have an election, there is going to be a decision on CPR A and and so we're gonNA. Find out one way or the other whether the California law is going. GonNa Change again but a Cogan. What's what's your thoughts on the state of play? We have today. Why think I am I've been impressed by heathers comments about Focusing on fundamentals and the fact that getting that eighty percent compliance as goal is important, especially in in terms of of completing some of the overall compliance obligations like data mapping which set you up for complaints with future rules. I, think CPR. A is going to be a big consideration, and it doesn't include some pretty substantive changes from CPA. There's a there's opt in requirements for sensitive information in a really. Broad definition of sensitive information and This is going to start to dictate how businesses are really behaving, so I think the sooner people can kind of think ahead of what? What the what is going to set them up to do best by consumers? and to build trust in the marketplace, and And to set themselves apart in some ways as a competitive advantage I think the sooner they'll be prepared for things like CPR a possible federal legislation I mean down. Jillian. What's your thought, well Kobe? I think those are some great points and I agree as well that focusing on fundamentals is. An area to focus on and. I think one challenge though is that. Unlike the general data protection regulation which kind of had this long legislative process, and also had the directive before it. You know which was a enforceable. For Twenty Years We don't really know how enforcement is going to develop in this area, and so the challenge with eighty twenty is that you know accompany might be doing fundamentals which are good practices anyway, but then you know missing the mark in some way on CCPA and that could create a lot of risk for the company so again. I just want to reiterate. We don't know how the California Attorney General. What kind of enforcement posture the office is GonNa take, but certainly the statements that are coming out of that office have been you know. Have signaled that there will be active enforcement, and that you know maybe maybe the the attorney general, as of July first has already taken some actions, the CCPA contains the thirty eight year period and so the first step would be to notify a business that they're in violation before actually bringing kind of a an enforcement action, and then making that public but it may have started already so. You Know I. Think Businesses. Really need a drill down in. Make sure that they kind of check. The boxes of CCPA make sure that they have rights request processes in place, and as well that they're you know disclosures comply with the CPA, and then, of course you know if the the C., p. r. a. gets passed in November. They kind of get to start all over again. To to kind of update their internal processes, and to make sure that you know, they update their disclosures to meet the requirements of that law. And so this is kind of just a continuing thing. and so fundamentals is a good place to start, but as well there are some particularities in these laws, and especially as they developed with regulations that really need to be drilled down on as well. And Heather you get the last word. Yeah! Julian brings up a great point while I'm all about the fundamentals I wouldn't say the particularities of the law either of course. I think it's just really. Having to become okay with the sense of gray nece, especially for those who work in as a privacy practitioner be, there's never anything that's going to be black and white about what it is that we do and as much as we'd like. Are the the the laws that were trying to buy two black and white? That's definitely not the case here and I think when it comes to enforcement. You know I think we will see the a g. go after perhaps several. Several, egregious cases, but we have to keep in mind that no. His office has limited size limited budget. They have a political agenda. What I think will be interesting to see if the CPR a does get passed in November that requires a dedicated state agency for enforcing this law, and then if that becomes the case, then we really will need to thank well. How do these fundamentals plus particular aspects really come into full force because that could be a game changer? Well thanks everyone. I'm very much looking forward to our next conversation. 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Monday Morning Mojo | Guest Ari Markow, New Laws About Direct Mail Effective Now
"Of. you WanNa talk about what prompted us to do this this morning love. Let's stand paddock tell the story, but we basically had a a plane from agent or excuse me from. A property owner. Because, he was getting mailings from all of our agents. Take, you take us through the story a little bit because it's a very basic story. There is a homeowner who has received multiple. Cards solicitations, letters, mailings from various element agents who does not wish to receive those and is using it to. Obviously build a case against us He. Is Adamant about not wanting to receive mailings, we've each each time that he receives something we rejected that agent and they take them off the list. However, lists are public information. So obviously anyone has access to his information and he he has received multiple mailings on an ongoing basis and we're trying to rectify that situation. He had his name and address Stan Handy? Socratic we cannot. Insulate. Yeah But we've sent it out to everybody in her office. So, Bill you you discovered a do not call list, and then you ask job are Ada, come on and share with us a little bit about. What we can do it not you. Yeah. There's there's no national do not mail list. In the same way that there's a national do not call registry, for example, but there is a new law in California, the California Consumer Privacy Act which was passed in twenty eighteen by the legislature and signed by Governor Brown and it went into effect on January first of this year, which this gentleman is relying upon in his complaints with us, and so we thought it would be prudent for us to have our Markov for Manning Casts our outside counsel here in California come on and talk with us a little bit about the law. And what it means for all of us for the company and for you specifically when are crafting your direct mail lists and your contact list and so forth. So Ari welcome thanks so much for being here he for having me morning everybody ordinary. Yes thank you introduction as mentioned my name Sorry Marco I'm with the mouth full of law firm. Manu cast arrived Ramirez entrust her. been. Practicing Law for bomb in my twenty fifth year doing this mostly real estate corporate finance and professional liability relates to realtors and brokers. I'm proud to say I've been with Douglas. Element Sends. I think you open your doors in Beverly Hills. So I have been asked to join you today to discuss the California Consumer Privacy Apps also known as the CPA and how it affects realtors. You know let's begin with an overview of the CPA. The CPA went into effect glucose mentioned on January one, twenty twenty. But it's enforcement actually began on July one, twenty twenty. Now, you may not recognize, CPA by name but I'm sure all of you have felt it's in one way or another Let me give you an example of how you may be familiar with the CPA. Every time you visit a website these days you're warned about cookies on given information about data collection by the website, and sometimes given a twist topped out of having your data collected. So, this is the CPA at work on the CCPA basically regulates three things. What Data and information you can collect from or about consumers what you can do with that data and information that you collect and what consumers are allowed to do about you collecting their data and information. Now. You may be wondering who is considered a consumer under the CPA. Well. The term consumer is broadly defined to include any California resident of this rule is specific California. You may also be wondering who's affected by the CCPA So the CPA affects all US businesses meet any of the following criteria. The first one specifically relates to each one of you as realtors in Douglas Element of course, and that business doing business in California It also regulates businesses have annual revenues of twenty, five million dollars more out of California and businesses that receive a data from fifty thousand or more individuals. Households are devices in California each year. Now consumers can exercise their rights under the CPA with respect to any information that relates to them in his stored store utilized business that's regulated by the CPA. Some basics examples of information covered by the CPA include consumers names in their home addresses. Conceive dovetails into How C., pay impacts realtors. So ensured the CCPA grants, California residents new rights with respect to the collection of their personal information. Now their rights as consumers include the right to be forgotten, which is deletion of all of their information except for information of business is required to retain by law. The. Right to opt out of the sale of their personal information. And the right to know what information business collects about them. CPS, very serious violations under the CPA California, Attorney General can bring a civil action for junctions or civil penalties of twenty, five, hundred per violation and up to seventy, five, thousand dollars seventy, five, hundred for any intentional violation. To See, understand, a intentional violation is usually something where you have repeat offenders. In, a business is in violation of the statute if it fails to cure in alleged violation within thirty days after being notified of alleged compliance, our add one question just your. When you mentioned twenty, five hundred dollars per violations at each piece of mail. For each piece of mail by way of example, and we'll get into how this relates to direct mail. If you were to use a list and you were to send out, let's say a thousand pieces of mail to a thousand different homeowners. If let's say twenty of them objecting they don't want to be included on the list and you don't corrected it. Twenty Times Twenty five hundred. That's a perfect example twenty times twenty, five, hundred. So it's not just that one blast of one thousand you could get five, twenty, five, hundred, it's per violation that's per household that complains to you and you failed to cure. What's even worse is. Going off this issue also includes a limited private right of action where the consumer can see directly on. That's more related to data breach violations, but it is expanding and a consumer can see you for anywhere from one hundred to seven hundred and fifty dollars per violation. By way of example, I think stands mentioning the individual who complained to Douglas alleman. He feels as though he's received four or five pieces of mail that he didn't want. So each one of those would carry a violation. It's also very important to keep this in mind your insurance most likely not cover you if you are sued for violation of the CPA by the Attorney General or consumer. So does that mean that means legal expenses in judgements that are entered will most likely be paid out of your own pocket? So. Now that we've discussed with this CPA is I'd like to move on to how it impacts you realtors on I. Imagine many of you may be wondering how this could apply to you well. Many realtors use names and address lists in order to market themselves and attract new customers. From simple direct millings to email campaigns to more elaborate digital profiling. hogging mailing lists are often an important component of many real estate marketing programs. So we were all together I would ask for show of hands to see how many of you direct market in this manner. Imagine of, you would raise your hands on. I can tell you this as a consumer I probably received one or two direct mailers from wheelchairs every week. So I recognize that they're popular sure that you. Anyway. Whether you create your own list. Or you receive a or or purchase from third parties you as a realtor are responsible under the EPA for all of the following. All of the consumers information he has. All the information you cultivate on your own. And all of the consumer information you directly or indirectly receive from a third party list or direct mail Good journalists. It also includes when you hire somebody to create a list and do the mailing for you. So to be abundantly clear, this would also include a list of title company REP or someone similar gives to you just gives you. A list you create a given your own research on a list you purchase from a third party and again direct mail or email blasts that is created by a third party and direct mail or blasted out for your benefit. By the third party you don't have to be the one who mails it. You can hire someone outside to do it which I understand is popular. You're still responsible for their work. So Going onto this this means that if you send out your own direct mail. Or Mail blast utilizing list you created. It's still going to be your responsibility. Now abiding by request. You get a request from consumer. To to to take them off their list on, it would include timely providing to the consumer noticed that he received their request. Timely advising consumer with whatever information you have about the consumer. From your list, the utilized. It will also include timely passing on the request of the third party. You hired to do the direct mail or email blast campaign and make sure that third party complies with the season. So you can imagine one one consumer complaining to you can create tremendous amount of work for you tremendous amount. And if you fail to take the action as required under the CPA, you could be subjected to inaction by the state attorney general face fines and disciplined. This is awesome. Consumer can do the same thing to bring their own loss. So just to give you a clear idea of timeline to act when you receive the CPA increase from a consumer, you have ten days to confirm receipt of the request and adviser consumer about how the process the request all this has to be done in writing. You have a total of forty five days from the consumers increase to manage the inquiry in take care of everything that they asked to do. That includes making sure any third party that gave you a list does the same. So what can you do to continue marketing in this way and avoiding running afoul of CPA? I know it's a very popular way to market and everyone to think that just can't do it. There are ways to deal with it properly Let's begin with broker provided lists. For starters, you can use lists provided to you by your broker. I understand Douglas Element is making an effort to create clean NC conforming lists that do not violate the CPA on it. Easier to buy the CPA, when you use only list created by your broker sense there vigorously working to comply and continuously making an effort to audit the list they have and listed there creating. Further if consumer contacts you under the in connection with using a list provided by your broker, you'll likely happy insistence of your broker in flu responding to the consumer so you can avoid violating the CPA. A keep in mind that your broker prefers that you used there proof less if you receive an inquiry from consumer when using a Douglas Element of list. Best. Practice. Best. Practices to inform your manager and immediately provide your manager with the communication received that the consumer. That when you're working together and tackle listened timely manner and hopefully can avoid any type of violation. Now Nixon of lists you create you can also create manager lists. It's similar to using a broker created list. It can also be easier to deal with the consumer inquiry when you use the list you created. You should have all the data compiled stopped the ability to lead consumer from your list. You should also be able to carefully Auden your list and keep your list clean on. If you create your own list, remember to keep records regarding how you obtain information about the consumer and exactly what information you have about the consumer. This'll make it easier for you to audit your trail in figure out exactly what you have to provide to the consumer. And remember to I discussed with your manager. Any plans you have to create news your own list before you move forward and doing so. And of course, if you get a request from consumer after using your own list. Immediately again, immediately inform your manager and provide your manager with Hyun occasion received. On the fact that used your own list does not mean that you should not or cannot involve Douglas Element Douglas Element wants to be involved in wants to make sure you're not running afoul to see. SEPIA. Remember if you're running afoul with it, they are tip even though they may have not done anything in particular they are too. So they have a vested interest in making sure this works out for everybody. Finally. We have third party lists lists from third parties present a much more complicated scenario. In our discouraged. Third Party lists especially affordable ones and given to you by people who mean well such as tattle representatives are often out of compliance with the CPA. This means they are not up to date on removing names of consumers have opted out or requested that their information be deleted. May also mean that they are not up to date in responding to increase. That are made by consumers. So it's very, very important, remember that you're responsible for all the data use the comes from a third party. If your data comes from a third party, you will also be responsible for timely responding to the consumer and taking all actually art by the CPA such as deleting names, information, consumer, and etcetera. It's not just up to the third party that provided the list or the third party did the blast for you with a third party that direct mail for it also is on your shoulders. Same liability structure. Relates to third party list you you're going to be just as responsible and liable as that third parties. So some best practices to help keep you from violating the CPA. From a third party were using direct mail services from third party include the following. The first one is if possible, avoid using them all together. Just created so much liability for. On in it's hard to control But if you must use a third party list, you've discussed it with your manager. I would suggest that you set some rigid guidelines that all parties of partying this brokers must comply with requested. They provide you with written assurance that the list that they use in conjunction with your marketing campaign have been audited for purposes of the CPA and are up to date. have been providing with a copy of their in house EPA guidelines. So you know exactly what they're doing and they're not you know. Not just saying, yeah. Yeah. We we comply to worry about it. This should have guidelines. It's a pretty serious a statute and companies that are serious about it do have guidelines in should be willing to to at any time. By the way we have guidelines and their posted on our website So before this, the over overall actually show you guys the link to our. CCPA privacy in our policy and what says to consumers that were willing to do right and I actually I actually go through that to have. That is one of the things I want to go through that it so happens to look at. So. Also, a number, another best practice adjust your contract language with the provider to protect yourself from any faults on third party side. If possible, you know it's not it doesn't hurt to ask them to see if you can get indemnification from them or great an obligation on their part to defend you in any action or to cover the costs related to that the CPA comes with significant financial penalties as we mentioned. There's even a class action risk for failure to adhere to regulations and you'd WanNa be left exposed that. CEPA crosses for ongoing monitoring and evaluation to protect. Yourself. Can also familiarize yourself with. Douglas elements protocols, which was just mentioned, which will go through in a minute and if you received inquiry from consumer. And soon to the CPA. When using a third party list immediately again, immediately inform your manager vitamin with communication. You see from the consumer I'm also already taught. Yes. One point that really important don't respond back to the person if you have a complaint until you talked to your manager i. because the next step will take will contact Ari. Right we we make sure that we do this right and that we protect everybody you know what? Much all the questions about this and we actually have one of the biggest turnouts we've ever had for a call today so. I think everyone's interested in this. Can you. Push them on about Edm how that works because that's been a question that's come across multiple times this morning. Here. Sorry. The direct mail through the postal service. If you're not using less than directly mailing through the postal service, they're not editing their own lists. So how are you protected if doing add 'em? You're if you're using it for instance, if you provide a list of post office for you Be This would be a case where. People engage in a mailing that just goes to a specific postal route. So you don't actually control the specific names and addresses, but yet every single drop on that mail carriers route for example, this gets dropped him. That we'd have to treat his third party less one, hundred percent I know this comes up your the consumer is only going to get a postcard from Douglas Salman in the realtor. Muscle going to know and from that have your contact information. The way you'd have to manage this is exactly how you would manage to third party list just because it went through the post office and they just did it draw, and by the way post office has a little bit different rules than they are sometimes treated outside of this that all falls on you hundred percent so you will get the inquiry. You should at least let the post office no too. So you've you've done what you need to do there, but you have to manage your unless you have to take care of every aspect of it. If they ask you to remove them from your list, you now remove them. You make sure that you don't use that more as part of the you're GonNa send you the IT. It's it's been a big problem because as you mentioned he's broad drops right in how does someone manage that because? No one's looking at it's just going to a post office. I. Think that the question about add is probably going to be challenged because you can't control the post office won't remove anyone you don't you don't. You don't receive names and addresses it's not like you just registered resident but what I would recommend no there's a lot of questions coming through are not GonNa get to all them today, but I would say this start with the list that we have that we know are good that were keeping clean Chev- using a doctor using. Bill, what is our other platforms we have? It doesn't manage. Improv. and Forever Express, docs those less worming caning. And those geographic Elissa. You can actually use those listen comfortable that we're taking all steps necessary to keep them up to date I. Think would already staying here is that when you move outside of that, you using title wrapped lists or or other things that we don't have control over. Even though the post office. Outside of it, if you're sending mail through that and you have a complaint, we're going to have the complaint and it's not a question of winning or losing in a in a court case. It has to go to Ari. and. It just takes time and effort and money to spend to do this in it is outside being now. So for everybody on the call my recommendation from companies that stick to the list either that of your own that you were going to maintain or useless that we have that we know are clean. That's right art. Art Percents that that is the best best practice. Awesome and even doing that understand you could easily get an inquiry, but it'll be very, very easy in-house list in locate the name can figure out exactly information you have. You can dress a the consumer quickly promptly within the statutory period of time void, any type of violation. I would say that EDM are we should probably have a conversation line about that and happy do some work on that in the background it's coming up a lot in the chat because a lot of people use that it's very cost effective. And that's when you get the mountain says resident and it just hasn't addressed the. You're sending all you have is the address and the definition of consumer information includes addresses but I understand what you're saying in this you have your just resident address with rock and you never really had any information that you just you just ask senator alter nine or two on our right. Let me. If I'm going to do a little bit of checking on that back to everybody. I will I have a lot of questions that are gonNA come on this for sure and it's also knew that this is a moving target. We're GONNA probably you know we only had one complaint so far but it was a pretty strong one Stan Receiver Multiple Times from one homeowner but this is gonNA probably pick up steam. Out there right now, that's even doing something about this. Even talking about it. Yeah I wanted to echo that I think it remains to be seen right? This is going to have to be tested in court and I. It's only this is only the first year that these laws are really. In effect and probably up to now, if anybody has complained, what's happening is that you have a chance to cure. You have a chance to to try to solve. It s wage that consumer first before they can. Really. Hope taking a task. So You know if any of you, the main point is if any of you contacted by consumer who's disgruntled, who doesn't want who does for whatever reason, they don't want to receive your mailings, they want to be taken off your list. Whatever main thing is tell to reassure them. I will tell you off my list very sorry to disturb you and to share that name with us with your manager so that we can make sure that we put them on the list that we are maintaining. as soon as possible. There's no question that there will be a of a lawsuit over this eventually. You just don't want to be the test case. Believe me. I would say. For me I'm not looking at what I can't do what you can do. mcadoo's listed are available to me that I know we're going to be clean. That's where I start. I wouldn't be looking for every reason not to do a mailing we don't want anyone to be nervous you're doing mallows. It's a big part of lead generation meals were. So. Used the ones that we do have that we know that are good. These other questions that are coming in keep on coming in and I would say that you know we'll. We'll have Ari work more on this in probably come back and talk about it again as well. It's going to be something I think that involves is bill says. My big worry I'm not as worried about the tree general come after he goes I am this idea that there's a private right back in. There are a lot of people within my profession you. Look, for little new laws like this t to profit from on and. That's my real concern where you have some attorney that decides he's going to go find a lot of people on that received now they didn't want they're going to. Work, together, in sending out notification, we're not timely, come? Back. In start sealing. Nothing. Better to do is one of the concerns with it at seven, hundred, fifty dollars per pop if you get enough starts to. Have some value in the in the risk and the threat of there being able to be a class action lawsuit on. Just. Just feeds that type of nonsense lawsuit. Are. Yes. Sorry. I'm sorry finish up please now. That was okay. I do want to try to share to to resources with the agents before we let them go a if if this is a good time to do that. Maybe, I was just going to go through your your policy, but if you WANNA if you want to discuss. Actually. So why don't we do that together let me let me I share with all of you the email that I sent i. hope all of you have seen this. But if I don't assume that everybody sees everything I sand or reads it so i. I want to call your attention to this message that I did send out Earlier, I guess it was on October fourteenth Four things that you should that you should be thinking of If you maintain your own mailing list we are we are keeping a an internal California do not mail list and it's on Douglas and the message that I sent to you include a link so far there's only one name on it, the name of the gentleman My neighbor here a few blocks away who doesn't want us to be mailing to him Mr Roseanne and if any of you have him on your list, obviously one of extreme take him off. But as you introduced as you have any consumers who complain we'll add them to this list moving forward. If you're and that's the second part. If you're directly contacted, please notify marketing. So that, we can add them to the list Express stocks maintains its own list. We'll make sure that list gets updated for you don't have to do anything for that and if you're using a third party provider make sure that these providers conform to the C. CPA and as always said, you may want to obtain written confirmation from them that They are you know During herbal and come forward to it. And ask them for their guidelines to see you see what they're really doing. Yes and on that subject limited share with you quickly. You. D. Ease guidelines are. because I think it's Just, a SEC. Here we go. This is on. BELLMAN DOT COM. If you scroll down to the bottom of the homepage of element dot com, there's actually a link directly to the California Consumer Privacy noticed you'll you. If you research that you'll find all of our competitors have similar notifications. At. Explains for the consumer with the type of information that we collect we. As. A Matter of course, in our business, we must collect a lot of information that's private about consumer as they. They can't instruct us not to especially if they're working with US directly right. If they're your buyers or sellers, we have to possess certain personal information about them and they don't have a choice about that. They can't ask us to expunge that information as a result of this law but. to the extent that people that we may not be working with actively are on lists that we maintain. For example, people who are on your direct mailing lists. Those are the people that we have to be concerned about. and. These are their rights. They have a right to know about the information that we collect. They have a right to request that we delete it and we have to comply. If if anybody actually reaches this page of our website, the person voted to contact me. and so far as long as this has been up, nobody has actually reached out to me to say, please take me off any list or to understand this. But as awareness of this law in its meaning, you know spreads. Eventually, we will I will start to get people reach out to me about this. So just know that this out there and That we have obligations under a bill. What is the person's name that send us to complain a lot of people are asking? So they can make sure selling their list, Barry Rosen and he lives on Clark Street in the city of Los. Angeles. Thank you. Ari. Bill. Peter. Maybe, we should. There's a lot of questions coming in more and more about this, which would probably have a follow up are if you be up for doing another one of these, maybe for an hour where we do a class on, it would be glad to you I'm. So. Glad to be associated with Tuggle Solomon I think. It's top notch and anything can do to help keep it at that place. We'd be glad to do it for many of you probably don't know you, which is a good thing if you haven't had to have any contact with. The I. Didn't travel. But unfortunately, we talked to are I. Mean I love Talking Everyday Ari but it's a lot. You talking about this maybe just a finisher this because I asked you. You know we have so many. Complaints that are coming in recently but you said it's more about the industry in general seeing this right now. Yeah. We at our from ribs and a number of. Real Estate Brokerages, and we've seen a significant uptick in in claims. including, losses all across word You know what? What what are we time to? Maybe it's climates community. It's people looking to average down the price of their home I see that because many of the claims seem to be outrageous but every now and then there's a claim that you know looks legitimate and I'm not saying anyone do you think of purpose I think that our risk management and keeping up to date things on a very important So we're talking about having you do something before the end of the year about compliance, and then trying to be more careful a stripper we're that we're working on it will happen before the end of the year hopefully were already will. Do a compliance seminar would stand and Peter and John Butler. Really dig into stuff more because our goal at the end of the day is to protect you. To minimize risk you know you know doesn't cover a lot of this stuff, and so we want to try to minimize the risk that's out there for you and that you know the more we can be proactive in doing that of the better for. Absolute Just notice. Okay. There is a lot of chat with questions on there. Haven't done that about five minutes, we can go more if there's anything in their bill you already to answer. We have. I think one of the big losses email and if you email falls into the same category and people have subscribed to the list described your list, you should be using email platforms where people can unsubscribe. Already you're already required. You know obviously to in any. Direct email strategy that you using to give people a way to opt out. So you should be doing that already the the new wrinkle here is really more on printed materials and on maintaining lists where you maintain information about people that's personal. So their name, their address and so forth. Dell. One. Dot was do we ask you know particular neighborhoods marketing? We have just about every neighborhood covered? I know we can do it by. ZIP CODES MLS numbers I. Mean I think expressed have covered just about every That correct. Yeah and so do you know and so most third party direct mail services that you're GONNA get a lot of these services belong to the direct mail association and because there's no national do not mail list in the same there's a do not call list the recommendations of the authorities including the California Attorney General for anybody who wants to exercise their rights under the. CPA and not receive mailing items is to contact the direct mailing association and asked to be removed from their lists. So one question that you might ask if you're using a third party direct mail or is are you a member of the direct mailing association because if they are, that's where people are being directed to send their requests to if they don't want to receive mailings and future. So. That's that's probably a good safeguard. Question Bill is to that impressed and expressed docs as far as farming lists. You know. They cover every area that we're in I believe. In everything and Stephen you know that is well as probably built as digit grits. Okay. Just, wanted to make sure. All right. What did you? I'm sorry. Are you WanNa say something else to? Remind everybody took these national do not call us remember. This is just to California there is a push I. think There are sixteen hundred states in the country that are now looking to have similar statutes as California so it is grown. Royce I. Alright we're always the trailblazers. Y. 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413: Not My Parcel, Not My Roof
"It's time for episode. Four hundred thirteen of the clockwise podcast from really m rewarded wednesday august twenty fifth twenty twenty one clockwise four people for tech topics thirty minutes. Welcome back to clockwise. The tech podcast that continues on even if dan more and isn't present more. I and one of your hosts. Mike is sergeant. I am joined across the internet. But my good pal. But not dungeon. Buddy. it is jason snell. Welcome back to the show. Jason mike it's always good to fill in to my old stomping grounds here. I'm surprised that you didn't have that. Rhyme that you're soldiering on when dan is gone. You swerve at the last minute there away thinking who's almost a song but it wasn't no it's great to be back on clockwise always folks. We have two awesome guests and it's time to introduce them to my left is just an all around fantastic person whose birthday happens to be today as well as the web editor and producer of the texas standard and a prolific writer and host. Right here on relay. Fm for parallel. It is shelly brisbane. La- shelley hi mica happy to be here happy to spend a little bit of my birthday with you. Know birthday shelley. Thank you and to my left. You may know her from the automakers podcast here. It really him and all of the other things that she does including her very own website which is literally her name is rosemary orchard. Hello hello thank you for having me. Happy birthday shelly. Thanks all right. let's get this birthday. Cast kicked off today. I want to know this. Smartphone makers seemed to be continuing to announce foldable phones. So it's a simple question. Could you see yourself ever carrying a phone with a foldable screen shelly. We'll start with you. I could assuming that they get to the point where there the technology is really good and it makes i like the foldable phone because it means that i would be more likely to carry a big screen phone. I have not been a max phone person in a while. And despite the fact that i love the idea of a big screen i just. My personal pocket does not Like it very well. And so if affordable phone was good. I don't know maybe an apple product because they tend to be I would certainly consider it. Yeah it looks like reading all the reviews of the latest. The samsung fold foldable phones. And then they have to new ones. It feels like they finally have gotten it. Mostly figured out and i know that people are going to roller is but it also feels like this means that apple is one or two years away from releasing their version because we know what apple does right. Apple has been working on foldable. Iphones in their labs for years. Now and and appleton's to be pretty conservative when it comes to new technology like this they they want it to be a great when they ship it whereas samsung is content to ship expensive kind of weird phones and kind of tested. All in public appleton. Doesn't do that so i feel like this. Latest round of samsung phone seemed good enough that we're probably on the precipice of a bunch of other companies including most notably think apple jumping in. Personally i have a twelve mini iphone. So i thought about the idea of like the galaxy or a galaxy anymore but the flip that they have a little phone. That's also a big phone. But the truth is i love my ipad so much that i think what i would really prefer is something that starts out as a phone and folds out like the like the fold from samsung to be more like a mini tablet. But either way i yeah. I'm kind of into the idea that we may be on the precipice of having a lot of choices in terms of something that fits in your pocket but is has a lot bigger screen when you want to use it. That that pretty much sums up a lot of my feelings as well. I really loved the idea of the microsoft gio it. I don't know maybe it was just their marketing video. They did really well. Not but i love the idea of this device senior where you haven't small. It's compact we need to use it. And it folds out. I find myself carrying an iphone. Twelve mini and an ipad mini at the moment And i actually had a pro max iphone for awhile and then i got the mini as a testing device and my promex is now the testing device because it turns out i really liked the tiny size But you know there are times where i go. You know it would be really how nature just to have a bigger screen on this. I don't want it most of the time but some of the time and carrying devices is a little bit annoying so yeah it would be wonderful to have this. I don't know if i would have it as a phone. I think i prefer a small tablet. The folds out into a bigger tablet or something But you know to see what we can get there. But i yeah one thing i definitely don't want though is something that looks like it's kind of others dodgy screen protectors it's put on e. peel it off and then it turns out you break your screen. I would really prefer not to have that whatever production devices in my pocket. What about you mica. Yeah all interesting answers. That i think i kind of fall into to some extent for me I think the idea of a foldable phone is cool in terms of being able to have a phone. That gets a bigger screen. But i don't like the way that when you fold it it gets so much thicker I wanna be able to store it in my pocket. And then if i were pull it out and you know make it the full size that it would get bigger at that point. I don't want the compromise that comes with that kind of super thick wedge that you stick in your pocket and so they're kind of two ways that that could go either some of those unruly foams that we've seen at least we've seen displays for that. Ees where it kind of rolls up and you can pull it out. Almost like a scroll thing. That's kind of interesting or really what i think. All of this is is a pause between what we have now in the technology we will eventually have. Which is augmented reality. And that's where you don't even really need a slab of glass in front of you because anything can be your screen. Anyone can cook. Anything could be your screen any display anywhere. That's kind of i. I hope that i get to be around for that. And that's the next level for me the next kind of technology for me so. Maybe i'll enough gullible phone. But i don't know if i like it. We'll see all right shelly. Let us move on to your topic. Well the alphabet owned wing delete drone company has announced that it's made one hundred million deliveries and a robot company. Called coco has just raised. Thirty six million dollars. They have these little robots that operate on city streets and with more activity in the robot delivery business. I guess i'm wondering as a consumer. How do you feel about automated deliveries. Are they job. Killing and sort of unsettling technology or are they an energy efficient way to get your stuff. I am not a huge fan of this. Although i was walking around a couple years ago around the campus at uc berkeley and the robot came by although it turns out it's not a robot because it is remote driven right just like the the cocoa ones. There's actually somebody in a data center somewhere. Who is steering this robot remotely. It's not autonomously moving. But that's a different podcast where we debate with something as a robot or not. I'll just say. I like the idea of having drone delivery robot delivery for things that need to be like immediately served. I feel a lot more ambivalent about the idea that we're going to end up with kind of robot trucks that bring packages to our house probably containing robots that. We've been open with our robot box opener and like it's real all the way down. I i feel like a lot of this stuff is unnecessary. But i can see for if you absolutely positively need it in the next two hours having a little drone drop it off on your front lawn like i. I get that. But i wonder i'm skeptical because this is like self driving cars and all of that like outside of college campuses and corporate campuses and things like that where i think it might make more sense. Take this to bob and accounting and the robot goes into the elevator and goes down five levels and goes across the sky bridge and all of that right like i can see that but beyond that it seems like i bet. Most of this is going to be a waste of time. I'm pretty skeptical about it in on a larger scale. Yeah this is something. Where on the one hand i left the idea of my deliveries you know being delivered by drone on the other hand. I've also seen how terrible the job people can do delivering parcels docking udal for storing it on the roof of a two story building. Just you know for extra difficulty points. Why did they do that. It made the news here in the uk. Fortunately it was not my personal on my roof but if drones gonna put something down you think that they're probably have to figure out a way to put it down carefully because what if it's fragile or badly packaged Etc they have weight limits and so on. I loved the idea of you. Know little remote control things zooming around Preferably specially organized tracks in offices and so on so that they're not in the way of people who possibly have accessibility needs possibly just straight up. Aren't looking where they're going. And you know so. That stuff can get around foster. But i'm also somebody who in a town adjacent to. Where amazon has one of their delivery. Where houses for one of a better word. It's a logistics center. Where a lot of stuff comes before them comes to me And so there's no drone that's going to get from there to this town so they're still going to have to drive it to this town or put it on trained. Get into this town. They won't put on train. That's too expensive. So i like the idea of it on a small scale for certain things but realistically. I don't think we are there yet. I think about the folks who have had issues working for amazon delivery folks where they don't have time to stop to use the restroom. They are in some cases coming across the waste of previous drivers in specific vans. I think about the uptick in crashes on the highway from amazon subcontracted truckers. All of that. And i wonder if some of that could be helped by robotics but how close we are. I don't know i think that you know. A lot of people are still skeptical about. Automated robots doing these kinds of things and of course. Then you do ask about what jobs the folks who would have been doing those jobs would be doing. So it's it's a tough one shelley it honestly is and i think that it could be efficient but it could also be detrimental so it's kind of one of those wait and see things Why don't you round us out my. I think you're right about the issues with the way people are doing the jobs that the robots would eventually get both in terms of the risk to those jobs and also the Soul second conditions of those jobs and sometimes dangerousness of those jobs. Because if it whether you can automate humans or not companies will do their best to squeeze the last ounce of productivity and. that's usually not great for people and so in that respect. I like the idea of giving those jobs to robots in to some extent On the other hand my concern too. Is that because drones and robots that go on the street for different technology for very different kinds of places feel like. There's a tendency when we get into things. Like automated delivery to to think in terms of one size fits all down toward the end. So right now you've got these companies experimenting essentially doing small scale pilots of drones and robots but the drones are great for rural and suburban areas. Where there may not be as much access to Quick delivery via car or via some human Method their places in australia for example. Where this co alphabet wing company is piloting where people were not able to get instant deliveries before one day delivery to our deliveries And then on the city streets though we we have a company. It's not it's a different company. Who does deliveries in the urban core of austin texas where i live and there's actually a person following behind we don't even have the sort of cachet of somebody in a data center piling it like piloting it from several states away. There's actually a human being standing there with a tablet as it goes down the street to which i say. Okay well this is clearly just a prototype and it's it's kind of kind of cute But but that's the concern i have. Is that all the good things about this. Technology are really specific to the kind of environment. You're in and i don't necessarily need a drone drop into my City yard. there is something in the article. About how difficult it is. The people who get these deliveries have to specify where the drone can land so that it doesn't run into trees or power lines or whatever so it's not an easy thing And this is my concern that if we decide that all the deliveries are going to be made by robots. The robot sizes might not fit. All the environments are right folks. We are going to take a quick break before we come back with the second half of the show. Yes that means. It's halftime in. This episode of clockwise is brought to you by electric somewhere along the way you've picked up on boarding off boarding of new employees. 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Nieve oy and she uses the plot and the characters of the great gatsby and she was able to do this because the great gatsby as of the beginning of this year entered the public domain finally exiting copyright after a very long time. So i i've been thinking a lot about sort of the push. Poll between the rights of creators to benefit from their work and the value of content ultimately the always the intent is for it to reach the public domain and be used for a broader. Good and i was thinking about it. As i was reading this novel that literally could not have existed without the approval of f scott fitzgerald's estate until january first of this year. So i'm prompting all of you ura putting you in charge for the day. You're the world copyrights are and you get to decree the length of copyright. How long should a work be locked up in copyright before being open to the public. And why do you feel that way rosemary. this is a really tricky one And i mean there is clearly no right answer to this but i think it should probably be something like for the author's lifetime or so Simply because otherwise you end up with works belonging to an estates and then the estate has to approve things i know. A lot of tokens heirs are going after. Pubs had the names for fifty sixty years or even longer. Because they don't want any way using a name that comes from lord of the rings we'll the named naturally originally come from lord of the rings it came from somewhere else and it happens to be the same sort of thing or maybe it did but it's been there for a really long time. Mica what about you. I think we have it or actually. I don't say i'm not gonna say that. Because i'm in charge so i'm going to say we're having it so i think that i don't even know what the current copyright period is and if it's different for different things but it is and it's complicated because it depends on when it went into copyright and all of that but it's long it's very long. Yeah whatever it is. we're taking it. We're slicing it in half and that's it because right now we have like the way the internet works and kind of the the base of the sharing cross the internet. And all of that. There's so much you know rework of work there so much remixing recreating and i know that. All of that kind of falls in its own rules and regulations with copyright. But given the sort of hyper connectivity and the ability to create some amazing things i think that yeah whatever it is right now. I agree that it's far too long. And if we just go ahead and slice that in half Were getting to a better place than we are now. I would have to put on my spectacles and drill down into the different types of copyright and and figure out perhaps on basis to basis kind of thing but for the most part of sliced in half would be good shelley. What do you think it blows my mind that a hundred years ago is nineteen twenty one. Whenever i hear that i'm startled. And so that's where we're at right now because much of copyright not all of it but much of copyright is one hundred years or seventy five years and the trouble also is. It depends on the kind of work. You're talking about because. I think we might all agree that f. scott fitzgerald who has long dead and whose descendants are are not. That many doesn't need to continue profiting from the great gatsby. Let the fan fiction exist. But there are lots of copyrighted entities. That are complicated. For example film and music that go through various stages of rights ownership and that copyright can both protect and harm the distribution of the work so for example classic films. Something i care a lot about Being in copyright means that theoretically it's an asset that's value to accompany that would want to continue to preserve it and disseminated via streaming via some sort of media the flip side of that is it's lying there dormant and if it's it's out of copyright It the reproductions that will be created will not be particularly good quality. There's no incentive for anybody to restore that and bring it bring it out because there's no money behind it so for me. It really matters what the what kind of material we're talking about because my goal would be to make sure that as many things continue to be available to as many people as possible without doing the copy of the original copyright holder out of his or her rights and to me life. Lifetime of the author for something. That's individually owned like that for you know this podcast. The great gatsby. All the wonderful classic works of fiction should should be lifetime of the others But i would like to make sure that you know really excellent classic films to be honest as copyrights are what i wanna do is make decisions based on what i like. And what will protect what i like. Most and so some of that is going to be arbitrary based on. Oh is that going to hurt this Wonderful film noir classic. Or oh well then. Let's do what i want to. As opposed to what what the law might say because copyright when you talk about things that are owned by companies is necessarily incredibly complicated in fact. That's the reason. A lot of material is not seen anymore because the rights tangle is so great that it's not either financially or legally worth the trouble it takes to pull it out of the deep dark hole. It's in so that would be an argument for looser copyright laws in other words. I'm over the place. But i'm bizarre. So that's my right. That's okay you can be that. Thank you to all of you. I think shelly makes a good point. I was actually just watching a little mini documentary about the front page. Which is a movie that fell into fell out of copyright and as a result the quality of the of the film was terrible. Because everybody just made dukes of it and it turned out. There was whole other version sitting in the archives. That was actually a different edition. And you need somebody who's motivated and honestly they have to either be a nonprofit kind of university or something like that or it needs to be somebody who's motivated to be able to sell it and make money for those things to exist so i think your point is well taken shelley and it may be different link for something like a film or a record album than it is for a for a book but i think if i were bizarre right now i believe a new copyright is the life of the author plus seventy years which seems extreme to me. We have whole businesses like disney that are built on adapting public domain material and then they copyright their material and insists that copyright should never fall out into public domain. The irony is rich. So i think i'm gonna go with life of the author or fifty years. Whichever is later in case somebody lives a long time. But basically what i'm saying is for most cases something like fifty or sixty years i think life plus seventy gets to the point that made which is you've got the descendants of f scott fitzgerald controlling. What happens to the great gatsby. And you know it's it should be long accessible to anyone to create great new material that builds upon it. So but thank you all my friendly copyright ours. I appreciate you. And i got you this circle with a c. Inside of it as a gift rosemary. What's your final topic. Bring it on home. Well apple is just one a patent for a dual display mac with virtual keyboard and wireless charging capabilities. So i'm wondering what features would you like to see in a computer designed for you who this is awesome. Okay so in a computer designed for me when the display so it would be a laptop and when the display is closed there would be like a button or some sort of activation method. Where the lights that are built into the displays. The backlight would go ultraviolet and it would clean the track pad and keyboard on a micro cellular level. So i could always have that kind of cleaned off and then it would also the fans that are built into the laptop Apple loves to talk about how you know the purpose perfectly designed and shaped just so so that they're quiet. I want a feature where it re routes the fans up through the keyboard to blow away. Dust That is trapped beneath the keyboard and on top of the the keys As you can tell. I don't like to have a very messy keyboard and track pad but occasionally i will look down and go that could be cleaner and so minored all be based around making sure that it was clean outside of that honestly. I'm pretty happy with the way my my sixteen inch intel macbook pro is I think the only thing i would do is somehow bring back an ethernet. Port direct ethernet port. Because that's the only thing that i find myself wanting when i'm away from my desk which has my cow digit yesterday plus For ethernet. I just want to have a quick and easy way to Plug into the internet without needing to use wifi. So yeah that's that's mine shelley. What about you. So i should start by saying it has to be a computer. It's not an ipad. Because what i'm going to describe you might say. Well why don't you just get an ipad. I have one thank you. What i want is a two piece laptop. I would like to be able to whether it's on a stand that is built in as part of the case or whether it's a stand i acquire separately. I wanna lift the monitor up and above the Keyboard so that it can be right in my face. But i can use the keyboard in whatever physical position i want to. It's not constrained by the other piece. Because that's the way i use a computer very close to my face and other because otherwise i'm always using laptop and clam shell mode to to lean over to use a laptop as intended with screen. We out there beyond the keyboard a doesn't work for me from an accessibility point of view. So so yeah. Give me a two piece laptop that has sufficient control of the standing mechanism for the for the monitor part that i can bring it a toward me and even in front of the keyboard as weird as that may sound to others i I thought shelly was gonna take my answer and she actually comes pretty close. Which is i want a laptop with a removable. Detachable scream so. This would work for shelly. So we're going to say. I'm gonna take shelly's laptop and i'm going to add one feature to it. Which is that. Screen is a touch screen. It is an ipad when it wants to be so. I can travel with a single device. That is a mac laptop. When i wanted to be but i can pop the screen off and it's an ipad and is accepted and then shelly can say. No i want when. I take the screen off. I wanted to stay in mack mode or you can call that you know whatever you want. Sidecar itself sidecar. I don't know what it is. But i should be able to also flip it over into ipad mode and then walk away and use it as an ipad or even flipping into ipad mode and use it as an ipad when it's still attached to the keyboard and the track pat. That would work too. But that's kind of what i want. Because i find myself travelling with an ipad anna laptop again and i'd really rather only have one if i could if i could help it but i'm not going to not bring my ipad so if i want the flexibility of the mac plus i want the ipad and i want one less thing in my bag. I need the mega super. shelly laptop. so i'm on board with shelley's thing i'm investing in shelley's idea this is such a good birthday so far limit. I mean between the two. You pretty much covered my answer as well You know i'd love a sort of desktop dock for the sixteen plus inch ipad. Or maybe it i mean i think maybe there would just be a chip that attached map watchband and i can pop that in the back of his screen. Which is an ipad or a mac with touchscreen and docket to a keyboard or docket on my you know. Put the chip in the back of that kyle. Looks like an eye. Mac but then all of my daters just they're everywhere regardless of whether or not stuff has been online And i know it's called usb but anyway But yeah they're they're you know. There are some very good ideas out there. I'm very curious. As to what the jewel display macbook with virtual keyboard and wireless charging would actually look like if it ever makes it to us as we all know with apple patents. They peyton things. But that doesn't mean we're gonna get it so we're going to have to wait and see their yes. We shall folks. We don't have to wait and see what the bonus topic is Surprise you just won a boat. What have birthday is so good. What are you naming your boat. Shelly gonna go simple. And i'm just going to call it nas boat i love it. I love it so much jason. I have lots of devices that are monkey themed with their name. So i'm going to call it. See monkey very good very good. Rosemary stardust express. All this way it does not infringe on any film franchises. I'm calling mine. Flesh after one of the two ave dannon. Which is i believe. An irish daddy. And i just like that name flesh. It sounds like a very fast boat. So thank you all for your nautical answers and I believe it is time to say. Thank you to our incredible guests as we wrap up the show shelley brisbane. Happy birthday and thank you for joining us. Thanks for having me. Thanks for making this part of my birthday so much fun and rosemary orchard. I did say your name is your website. It's rosemary orchard dot com. Thank you so much for being here. Well thank you very much. Mike for hosting me. I believe i might see you later this week. And jason for standing of course thank you all right and that ends this episode of clockwise dan. We'll be back next week. I assume wherever he is whatever dan but until then watch what you say and keep watching the clock by everybody.
#233 The Return of the Indian Outlaw w/ Tushar Singh
"Hey everybody it's me. Uncle daddy drew drew dollars real quick. Just wanted to give some announcements out of the way. I'm filling in for joe on the hosts and duties and We got a great show today to shar seeing our guest. Our good buddy. You guys know him. You love him. The indian outlaw himself. We got an announcement for a project resume with him. You hear all about it on this week's episode Dates though august nineteenth twentieth twenty-first. We were in denver. Colorado there's five shows tickets available come see is is going to be great We had rescheduled the little rock show. I'm sure if you had tickets to that you know that already. I don't know what to say guys it's upsetting. I'm sorry the real pandemic is dumb. Assery motherfuckers eight up with there. And even if there was a cure which there's not they wouldn't take it because they're too stupid We'll figure it out where rescheduling we're gonna come back And i'm not picking on arkansas. All of america's aid up with that dumb assery. But we're all we're going to figure it out. And we're all going to be taxed on september tenth eleven twelve in raleigh north carolina september sixteenth and seventeenth in atlanta georgia. I think the seventeen the sold out September twenty fifth in minneapolis september. Twenty ninth in irvine california in september thirty th in san jose california all right. That's it. It's going to be a great episode. Come see on the road go to well read comedy dot com for those tickets and always you love you. Buy their the theme brin sixty care way too much a next step. Thanks some obsessive. They got green. Big old dig. Well here we are. Make court physically together that weird and snacks. Yeah he's the back door studio backyard. You know what. I'm saying back through my back door to charlotte there and of course dirge with us too short back. What's up what's up. Thanks for having me. Fellas explained mike but look at his background. That's not a Not zoom background. Yeah now guy ritchie film that you have for sure especially with the with the What they called newsies newsy. Yeah you definitely look like a character. In the guy. Ritchie film extent soccer with a with a football as focused for a and i would have thought that you corey would know every type of hack you would think and i have one of those actually. Have one of those. But i don't know. I look my god i wore it. It was like two christmases ago. When i was to go into our with amer for family and like i always like to wear hats and she was like. Hey look i know you like to take pictures. So could you just go buy like a nice hat or something. Like that. And i was like. Yeah okay so. I was trying to figure out what i could wear. That was still like and stuff. And i went and got one of those and like i really thought i was pulling it off and now i go back and look at the pictures and i'll just like the most dip shit constable. I didn't i just gave all the stupid cases to. He's union we gotta let him be here. He's been here for a long time. We know his problem added. Who's been sucking all these ties. Let's grab it was very much like i. I barely hit in like regular hats. But like that i just turns out i was not pulling it off like i thought others at one picture of you in a bowler hat and that's also constable show. Yeah you constable dependent on the hat. Yeah yeah i do. Why the goofy you know. We all know cy cost for sure. Wait what do you mean by what. What a walkway. Thousands of fat police officer constable a bag of stuff. Move the mike a little closer to try us out. Fine corbett trays. A little quiet is comfortable. Just britain like a uk thing like we don't have had a constable outta do you know about the constable talked about it. Yeah chicken now. Corn bread cornbread ogden. I don't even remember having that conversation. Yeah tell him. Chicken no cornbread. Commerce we had a comfortable in my hometown. Healthy may still be although he probably dead. I i don't know the deal. But when i was in high school the constable and selena was dude named corn bread and his His like official uniform because constable. It's i can just make their own uniform. You know he had got damn holster with a live firearm and on a belt around his you know waste and jeans or whatever and also every single day a kirsten t shirt the he had made that said chicken. Ain't kick him without cornbread and it had like a cartoon chicken whatever kicking up five on the butter something you know who knows but like it was just. It was the dumbest looking thing you could imagine. And that was like might have been. I don't know that he wore that every day but it was very much his favorite shirt and same part of his uniform but the constable was like in salona. The mayor in salona don't hardly get constables. Made up just somebody. I was gonna say gary gun into the grocery store but like hell you can also just do that until ones to constable. I actually all constantly. Football team actually county constables warriors. Out and was it is gun or was it like an issue like did anybody. The authorities had take is chicken shirt. It was a potato gun. I think if i remember again yes on my desk. Yes what your chicken. Charity potato gun on my day did he had. I think you would hope if he did he have constable or clay county on the back. Did he tried to make it. Look i think. I do think it had constable on the back of the eye and he also had like corn bread man and his car was just like an old. You know Like oldsmobile or something from the eighties. Not a hitting one you know or whatever. He put a little lied on top of and like screen printed or however. Fuck you do that. The word constable on the side of it. I thought it was very official. You know but it was like. I don't know actual authority or anything. They may have a constable. No and you would think chicago would be the most having a constable last time we might but surely i know that they made in great britain gets an official police. Chief is not police chief but is that type of thing. Yeah i hear like anytime watching british stories. Like i just throw around the word constable all the time. It's never liked. It doesn't seem like one specific day. But maybe it is more of a like a like a softball umpire like that type reich as listening and his furious that this did not come up in our meetings with him. Show creator anti-iraqi iraqi. We've worked with in the past and we did it. That'll be out recently. Yeah for sure. Yeah y'all checkout dead. Pilots society locking. Subscribe to that. So you can hear because a lot of people ask all the time. I told andrews while we were so excited to do it. We we still get asked all the time like hey wind. Y'all show coming out. Because and i get it. People don't know when they say. Hey you have you signed a deal to do a sitcom. They're like art. Will that means it's getting put on air. We'll ours never did so. We can finally answer the question. What's happening with our show. It was we got the table. Read that we Finally we deserved on ben palaces saudis. You can listen to the thing we wrote that. Abc said. Get the fuck outta here. Pretty soon. That i Also we're gonna be in denver. Yes true denver. August not tainted the twenty fires. That comedy works. You can go to well read. Comedy dot com w. e. l. l. r. e. d. comedy dot com and. Get your tickets. And i'm super excited. I haven't been denver this longest. I've ever gone in my life without being in denver. It feels like there's like we were just we just we and intellect twice a year and then went two years without it. And i'm just starting to. Yeah i really want to go to a wage store and get a boston barter. the denver. hey it doesn't will head to shar. Where the hell are you at right. now. I am in new york on staying with He's everywhere prime time. You're supposed here in la supposed to be la. I was there for a film a pilot for show and it went really well so now. It's like in the editing phase. But basically got to the the thing of the piloting until he goes last time which is basically i interview someone while drawing their portrait and we ended getting. This guy named dj. Fred wreck who is a. He's like dr dre and snoop dogg's like music producer and he's just the coolest cat ever and interview went really well and then wednesday night. Gosh was like come to florida and and come to naples and and come feature. And then i just flew back here because i have no plans in life. You know me. Nice shameless plug. We're gonna be in naples. The weekend of december eleventh. You can go ahead and get those tickets to read. Comedy dot com. That's my birthday. Were you guys at night where he has a naples problem. Where a cautious off the hook yet. That is it off the hook. Yup i didn't have to look up. You're off the hook comedy clubs. Naples florida weekend of december eleventh tail. Yeah hey oh yeah you don't have to give away who you're telling on but tell them a little bit about this facility. You're currently staying in. Oh man So this place is like a new luxury high rise building. And it's you know it's it's luxury high ceilings. Big floor plans all that but the common space like the three buildings go underground into this common area and it's basically a huge gym and it has a workout thing in all the robot can lift weightlifting but it also has and this is where rich people have it. Good a full court tennis court basketball rock climbing gym racket ball. All right if that's not enough for you. They have a golf simulator room. They have a bowling alley. They have like a library that no one would ever go to like poker room. Which is what. I'm in They have a botanical hydro. Whatever where they grow plants and you can come like farm in this room. That has a four. It's crazy motherfucker. You there. I'm crashing with my gosh and he lives zero. So i'm this year. Yeah now this is in manhattan. That's exhibit what happened. Is that in manhattan. that's insane. It honestly feels like the world ended and they built a facility for people to not go insane and this is you know everything is nice right and is this what. It's it's a zombies contract out windows and shit. Yeah just keep them rates so all. Those things are common areas in the. It's like an apartment building. Yeah all of those facilities are amenities there. Yeah the bowling alley. Got me the bullying. I was like what recording studio recording studio boots and stuff big. Tom bates people there at the garden. Video any kind of becoming wars beat will be on their flag. So what you said. You're in the poker so that you have to like reserve the poker and i just walked end but like now dan. Yeah that's fucking sway. That is so sweet. One of to shores. He knows how to be the type of person he's just walked in. Yeah right like look at me in this hat. They don't want on cow. I'm recalling podcast. Y'all would've been taste so quickly. Had we tried to do what to shorts doing right now if they heard our accents coming through the laws yet. They're on the way it'd be like oh those guys. Yeah and then. We open her mouth. Maybe they work here. You just start cleaning immediately. Discerned like wiping afternoon. Show like that. I would feel uncomfortable in that. I can tell just by the way you've described it this year. We wrote a sketch about the fashion industry. Which trey discovers. Gory and corey is cleaning around the office when he discussed. I'm really. I'm really upset that we didn't get that's not one. That's on the docket. Is this what else guy. Yeah that would have been really really wanted to strut around and some car hearts as what i was gonna hit the way. The world admirals shit works. Now how man. Well i you know. Hey we just found out that it's officially illegal to be italian. cuomo Resigned because he was kissing too many people on the lips without their permission. Yeah he did he actually did you think he was going to call it quits her. No i didn't either a genuine. I'm glad that he did record but like i. I was surprised when i saw this morning. I was like god damn. I just figured that this guy would just like keep making silly. It's not harassment. its heritage. I think my theory on that core is he couldn't go republican because he's got much invested in it and i don't think the democrats allow for. I don't apologize. I double down and sometimes in terms winning. I think we should but in terms of like avid decent people. You know we should add three days of going through three days ago. I read an article that said. Will hillary clinton be the new governor. And unlike me like oh please. No these always just assigned paper just like like like hi level coaches sport right now. It's just a carousel of all the same dudes. Mostly her guys. Whatever just sign cycle in and out from the families am. I wrong though is like don't you think is being the governor of new york like in that like a step down for hillary that that seem like something that she would do at this point in her career i mean. I know that she's not doing it. Like she's not an elected official right now but like look. She very famously ran for president in one of the most famous elections of all time. It didn't work out. Don't you kind of think that she's just going to do charity. Work on an coast on that the rest of her life like. Why would you wanna do that. She is i mean molly. Yeah i agree with you. But i don't know if like somebody like hired just needs to command authority at any given time peons and whatnot. Yeah like a government. How does she lets you control ever she aglietta. Yeah i think she'd make a great constable. Actually to have a sweet tee shirt. The only thing i know about the power of the new york governor wields learned from the show billions. I feel. it's probably not reliable. What i learned there but it seems from that show. It made it out to be very powerful position because of wall street. Yeah i mean. I have to imagine like you know i may use to. It was like the past to being the president was being the governor of the state. Because they like you know they were like we don't want cinematic was just in a senators congress. We need to know that you can. You can govern on some level and That's that's the only reason i asked how she was. Because like i mean you know now we will. All white men do anything. I don't know that we're there with women yet but like she's still in play realistically like for basell like she could never run again. We're like oh well. She lost to trump. she's out like maybe this is like. Yeah i'll i'll out win an election that way. I'm i'm the stigma of being a loser over one thing and then i've governed and then now she can run again. Maybe there's i mean fucking. I hope not for the record. Yeah right yeah it would also have remained. She didn't know. And i just feel i just feel like but again i don't. I have no clue what it's like to be a person like that too. My head's like what what you just like. You said earlier just because you're speaking guy drive or else don't rat jane. Yeah that's true You guys got real our second but it went away. That's why me into sharma does phase. It went away. It was groping. It wasn't like it wasn't a thing it was a technical thing. It orton of didn't didn't touch she at too short. You're sort of new yorker you know like Who won't to be the next. I i i wish. I wish i cared more about these studio. I just wish i. There's people who have heated debates cuomo's the worst person you know like if you look at his track record with covert at least where he you lied and these things come up. My general point of view is pretty pessimistic than these people are generally pieces of shed just because of their ego. They don't serve for the people they serve themselves and they happen to be good at very elements their job. I a humble beet farmer living brown lay. I think people i mean the road up to him. You know the second what ten days ago when it was like eleven up to eleven women. Maybe more like discuss toast. There's no way he can survive it. This is not the early seventies where it's like shut up lady. You know like. I also saw and i didn't even watch the clip. 'cause you know wanting don't have but i i saw people were circulating I guess a. Trevor noah clip from little while back where he was talking about how much cuomo hits for him you know and then people were doing it in like gotcha type away or whatever which i just don't like which is always so stupid. What's posted like Trevor no in new all this stuff when he was saying that if i had. That's what i'm saying like bro. Cuomo video that i'd done. I'd probably post it myself right now. Well that's nice. Try that fuck it. What it happens you know like you said. It's not like he was supposed to know that. I'll be honest with the just now started locking the guy about him before this you know. What do you think. Let me ask you. What do you think the southern content like people in the south and people not living on the coastal cities. And they hear this news. Does it confirm their suspicions that these people are monsters. Or do they just say you know. Here's all it is. I mean this is a very simplistic answer not could be generalizing but like look. Here's the deal. If it if he was a republican they'd be saying look man. He's just nice to everybody but now you know what i'm saying but now that he's a democrat. I guarantee you what a lot of them are saying. And completely false is there going. Oh see it's fine when one of theirs does it. And it's like no as wrily on but before he resigned though they will be making up all this stuff. Democrats resident and everyone else was saying. You should reside right but like they go. The democrats are silent when this happened but it was trump and it's like no literally every single democrat. I personally know. And that. I've seen on the internet. Said nothing other than you know what this crowd of here so it's just it to me. It's exactly what you would expect. It's just stupid bullshit. A well and also. This is anti italian racism and they lack racism. Love it italian racer trying to rice. Their culture silence. I you can't just say invoking kiss whoever you all not my italy. Little spaghetti sticks to her forehead man. That's that's joe saying okay. Officially thank. i have to resign after constable chick among h So yeah i mean that's just that's how it is but yeah like drew was saying earlier. This is just one of those things where lack a it does hit that like we police our own and we clearly have higher standards but this is also a reason why we will continue to lose things that we definitely should win. I have a maybe controversial opinions Someone in that banks. I'm sure that conservatives would hear what i'm saying. Like i hear they go. I also don't really. I don't really understand what chris cuomo is supposed to have done any different than what he has done. Which is like people have been roasted has asked us like his and his brother. What's like no he's just not he ain't saying nothing about yeah exactly and it's like horse in my head it's like we'll of course we're other aids. His brother baits. He has a very clear conflict of like they. This whole thing where. It transitioned from quote. Chris cuomo to don lemon don lemon was like they're all cutting up and she had donald love you brother and cuomo signs off don lemon's like the sexual assault allegations straightening raised in his brother. Whatever they were kinda like a friday movement moment schick italians. and. I'm just saying that whole time with all of that in my head i was like i. I don't know how else you are supposed to expect. All of this part of it to play out for sure automation. Like and i just don't i mean i don't have a brother right but you know it'd be one thing if he was like going on reasonably expect somebody to just openly fucking. Just ask their brother. They try to cancel my brother murdering pedophile. I wouldn't stand for i suppose. Yeah right. I think people are angry at trae is that that two brothers can be feels like we got a little oligarchy. Thanks so it's like we're not royalty but we don't know how to express culturally. We have a hard time expressing that. So we're just like fuck that guy you know what i mean. I know i agree with that. Yeah it don't for me that we have this little oligarchy. We were kind of talking about it earlier. But i mean yeah. The cuomo yeah. It's always been weird to me all along all garden to judah friedlander judah friedlander. Yeah he is a joke. That i just saw enviros. We're we're an oligarchy. But with this humidity it feels like a dictatorship That's there's like this. General anger in america towards all that and i think people just take it out on the face so they say thought. Chris should do better when what they really feel is. I'm not in. This makes any sensor. As now i mean like you just said like when you really step back and think about it. And it's like the governor of new york is under fire for sexual misconduct. I wonder what his brother who is responsible for the top cnn anchor. Who's responsible for giving the news to millions and millions of people is going to say about that. It's ended up so again like you go well. The reason he's not saying anything is because he has conflict of interest but it's like he's had conflict of interest this whole time and you can't. You can't go okay so because this guy's brother does this. He's not allowed to do the thing that he likes. News good at but at the same again at the same time. It's just and then the fucking you know. Anderson cooper is like his family is the vanderbilt. It's shit man like if all of this was in a movie like minority report it would look very much like our that type of sapphire type. Shit you know what i mean. Yeah trey let me ask you because you follow closer. 'cause excuse what did he'd like. Why doesn't he have ten minute segment done by somebody else. Did he address it at all. And say it's a conflict of interest as he said i i mean i don't under- excuse later today and so as smart catches me up on everything you can thank you all other than able to tell you what the deal was because last week on skews when we talk about it at all just broke and at that time. Nobody was even really mad at chris yet in an assault on the next couple that actually. That's not true. Because i guess chris chris was like involved in the team that was like strategizing for how this is all gonna play out or something like i don't know i it goes that's literal propaganda to me. It's a version of that bill. Burr bed about you know. What did you think that he thought. Or whatever thing like that's all. I'm really saying it's like people just like i don't know it is up that those do during those two positions out. Give a shit of chris cuomo's ever on tv. Again i don't care i couldn't fucking care less but just people being like outraged at that whole part of it. I just thought was kind of silly from the beginning. Because it's like yeah i mean of co. Of course that's where he is on all of that. It's his fucking brother you know like i just. I just didn't find it surprising. I don't know how any of that works. Does he have a boss the like. Is there someone going chris. Yeah right but is it like in our world. It's like your show and for the most part you get to do what you want with like a little bit of this and that or it's the news world though. I wonder is there not someone going. Hey if you're not going to cover it then we gotta have ten minutes segment where i bring somebody else. Yeah well. I think i don't won't miss speak here but i think that like that's part say a lot of people were making. It sound like because chris was at cnn. And i i feel it feels weird. Just keep saying courteous. But we're talking about fucking brothers guam. Chris is at saying that. Cnn was latin and be off the hook. You know for all heads. italian shenanigans that he was doing now. But i'm saying that what it was just at. Cnn was still talking. Cnn was fucking wall wall. Talk about it from what i can tell. Chris was the one who wasn't and it to me the all time like. That's like that makes sense. That makes sense to me right. Yeah that's what. That's what i would expect it to look like on cnn right now. And thus i'm not particularly outraged by it so yeah man it does become a conservative talking point for them to go see how corruptly are and it's like man the whole network spent all day on it just one hour. The brother didn't Now it's it's stupid like happened for tow shar Let me we're back on skews. Yeah maybe there. Maybe this'll hit for shar Warmer random subject. To ask you about. And i don't mean any disrespect to the artistic entity about to bring up here at all but i do think it's fine. Thank about if. And if if i brought this up before. Stop me and i apologize. If y'all thought about how funny it is that super size may was such a cultural phenomenon. Like remember. Supersized more huge. Dale why guess ob- citing his any was and rightfully so. Moore's did a great job. It was it but it was so grandpa only in his country. And i'm saying have you ever thought about how it's kinda funny that that just shook ri- sent shockwaves through hold on fat in the john. Gaunt's sixty four ounce fucking mega goal size me that that stuff is bad for you bugging. Just yeah berber breaking news and we all just like oh my god. Yeah of it and still still right but wasn't part of it. That happened like in two weeks. It again it was. It was effective. It was necessary that time. I'm not shit talking super size me at all but even that part of it his whole thing was i'm going to eight nothing but it was dancing for a month and say what happens and what happened was it really didn't hit how we wish he might theory is that jack daniels is bad for you. I'm gonna replace water with jack daniels right now. Take jack daniels every day for thirty days and say how. 'bout liberties and make a time lapse video of my stomach. Exploding like jack kerouac and then. Just be real confused at alcoholism. Fuck your pilot. I got a new idea. You're just gonna get drunk and fuck whores every day. I'm gonna follow you around with a camera in artistically. That's the only reason i want to be there. You know it'd be funny if you keep living with a cash you can pull that shit off. Yeah there's plenty of people that can get drunk and folklore's every day for months on people but you know done. It can make people who live a fast food every day what. I laughed at ballot. I've done both of these. Things ought to make a film. I did not new now. What i liked about super size me. And i do think about this every now and then is that. He went from being a vegan like his starting point wasn't even normal. He went from vegan full retard fast. Food obviously and then he was like my sex drive is going down. It's like yeah buddy like what are you doing exactly right so the whole thing you would think knowing all that that the the the reaction to all that would be like. Yeah well of course. That's exactly what happened. But that wasn't a reaction. The reaction was like war ward. Winning stunned again. it was great and again clearly right. i'm having. I'm having to preface that even more. So because i know craig is listening on out to park brought. His brother is buddy of ours. We love craig fucking mortgage great to. I'm saying yeah the movie fucking crush. Yeah i'm saying. In retrospect while thinking about all of that is like if you made that movie that movie would never even be conceived in like sweden. I know what i'm saying like that. That would be so foreign to them that that a that that they didn't know that and be the anyone whatever live like that. Now yeah wait. I just fucking berry. Sharks fronts that. That's what infocomm weirdos. They do that. Yeah look so clear. Short he's like fermented charge for that started with them might bear in it because like you know oh not in the us you had to now in the do not know what i'm talking about except for saying this is a real thing generally across super shark me. Let's go for it. Sure it goes back to when they had to like you know some disappear for months right. We all die. Ballot bears from shar bears jars. Were still have chartres salerni start. You fermented. I believe so. Yeah it's i mean it's proof that that's real good for people. God damnit hang all second. Now i'll just have to look this up Y you look it up out staying on topic. I realize a lot of jokes like that auto. Were you like you point out some. Everybody knows but you do it in a way. That's great you know what i'm saying. A lot of great jokes people are like. Yeah i believe that too. But i've just never thought about it right So it ain't swayed. It ain't sweden it's iceland but come on come on The same these off east and west. Virginia man yeah right. Yeah accent that i forgot how funny it is. It's called carl. Yeah so it's icelandic. And it's called her. Carl and it's all it's the national or at least a national dish of iceland consisting of greenland shark or other sleeper shark. That's been cured with a particularly fermentation process in hung to dry for four to five months. It has a strong ammonia rich male and fishy thais. Oh smell right. Fit fish eat too busy. Kinda got into mario there too. Yeah well. I don't know y'all good it. But then he board dying described fermented shark as the single worst must disgusting and terrible tasting thing that he'd ever eaten. Look that senate in the wikipedia. Yeah the mate of the greenland shark is poisonous when brash because of its high content of urea satellite pissed shark. Also you armant piss shark and you know the anthony bourdain Bat placing a shallow hulled. The i knew that burying was involved. Somehow but it don't hit. I mean according to anthony bourdain like no. He's aiding some disgusted shit. Of course my whole faces all time. Was that it and he drew both independently. Thought that it would hit. Now i was talking about. I was stumped. We were talking. You said supersize me swayed whenever be a thing. I came up fuckers berry sharks and they kiss my ass. I though you're saying like yeah. They are fancy in eat fresh starting or whatever. Yeah like that's like yeah. They got like even their fish. Jerky kind of wild. Not hidden way right. I didn't know it was piss fish. Dentists let's have a party your every word they say say sounds like turpentine to me. I can say that. The thing about supersize me. I feel like while it hit you know but it hit for people who were already on board with that. It's gross life can't we can't where we're from. We can't comprehend that. This is shocking to anyone. Like the like like to me. Like there's people. I guess in like greenwich village or something that watch that. They're like holy shit. There's people that literally just eat mcdonald's every day like that's crazy to me on my. There's there's people who aren't the dumbest people who at least for breakfast every day. But i know people in this out who aren't dumb and who don't do that. I think there's something very dramatic about watching it happen that quickly around arson that dramatically shirt. I know what you're saying trade. But i do think there was an. You're saying this there was some value of displaying it. Yeah no i mop. My thing is like it was objectively effective. And so dan value. I think maybe it did documentary. It was like the it was the the shit. Yeah i'm saying is like so clearly. It was effective and a ride. An appropriate thing to do that is what's kind of funny to me given the subject matter and what it set out to do that. It was out ground Groundbreaking and and so effective in that way is what's funny because like i said just only in this country man bride were designed to give me the shovel side. That's a hard not done. Yeah because they've brought after like as soon as that shit came out in mcdonalds is like because know even do super size anymore. Now because of that. But like but like dude. Here's the thing. And i knew it as soon as it happened because like i've got really good sense for stuff like this like you know. Some people can like predict like oil futures like stock fluctuations. I know exactly what's happened when they start changing drug or food laws. They were like. We're schedule one hydros. I was like heroin comeback boom as soon as they got rid of super size me. I was like all my buddies getting two largest which is technically more did that shit. Every time they were like well guys get two largest which is like they say our size plus a media they made it. I i feel like i might be fighting the to my head. That's also time they start come out with him. Combo deals yes license. They got rid dollar menu. Jeff have all of you wanna add talk about. I'm the butter that joke. But it'll get oriented. How sorry. I thought you are around these parts. You are the official. But we're big bigger. Mcdonald's talking about morgan's barlow at nuggets just added nuggets to favorite parts of the documentary. Was you know if you remember. He didn't supersize unless they asked him. An emerson seines where they asked him and just like objects agnes just yells over his face. You know that was the thing. He didn't supersize every meal. He only did it if they asked. But ask ohio's fired in either one's that didn't ask bullshit after aims. You better. I find the whole i mean i used to be a factor in to real real nightmare but not that's not true. I wasn't really a fat kid. Now you talk yeah. I mean there was a fat boy. Five pitch of trace voice that he can only hit when he gets excited about a new way to call you fat already. Yes so my shorts. And the backpack wrestlers jared oil neon green shoes. Let him on board on waiting for myself off true. I was at georgia tech junior year and my roommate was this kid from rural georgia. I and his family to go to college ever. This kid was four fifty like he was a big big fella couple of his six foot. Four fifty so like wide and he might real real smart i mean he yeah he was a smart kid he seemed to be hard to hersi starship for back. That's what i'm saying like. He could have stated third in the bare minimum to go to georgia tech like he was clearly otherwise really really blessed to be big fat dumb. Don't hit motherfucker omega that ends up knowing georgia attractor for sure for sure. So he was a sweet kid. He didn't have any friends he was. And i remember one night. I came back One o'clock i was probably like kind of buzzing friday night. I came back and he had done his grocery shopping which was like fifteen three liter mountain dews plates her that he only sustained himself on soda and then he had. The rest of his diet was just red meat. And so that's when. I kind of like ended my weight loss so i got to this weight and i was like l. Putty have you ever thought about. This can't be fun for you. Like i'm just basically like this is not a healthy sustainable lifestyle and died. I'll never forget. he started. He breaks down and starts crying and he's basically like a try to lose weight in high school. When i came. I wanted the grocery store and got some vegetables than my entire family was left me was just that same from the concert. Got client down. Don't feel their big heads. Berg heads puzzle territory. Where how bad i was like this is not. This is not something that he can just like. Oh stop eating fast food. It's like it's like building show you though does show you the the difference like this kid also going big fat dome name taller books making olive garden. Go at goddamn college. You will not be skinny when you do. My daddy was big fan dove big hug and that's the reason you never met him but like the point is a point is is that like a. Take everything that we're saying about this person and then realized that he's going to georgia tech so it just shows you that like you clearly. He wasn't the dumbest motherfucker on earth. But like dill's such a thing that's hard to overcome like once you if you grow up. Just drinking mound doing hamburger patties. It lands fizzling bacon and his tears was falling into the bacon added on. You know he's got ya'll table. Msg into being corey of talk before plenty of times where we're up. The fire inside out together adds fattened side. You get it you know we talk about how like wages be trash and just do ourselves wrong road especially and it feels like it feels like when you're out there doing it if i know it feels about the bus like we just wake up star punishing and do that all god damn day. Wait until we fall asleep and a pile of sundries snickers ice cream bar in complete misery in wake up miserable and doing all again by god. Damn snickers ice cream bars are too good though. And it's all this drank into into oftentimes. Were on the road light. Alcoho- so much fucking calories in it and makes you and the next day makes you so much more of an empty vessel for which to put just garbage shit yes So we just sometimes will be that man. Just what do you think they truly big fat dumb folks out here like what is their day-to-day like you know. About what way do we do not hit now like. We are looking at a fucking foreign motherfucker. Who don't drink like booze and plenty of them do but then there's also tons that down it's like what does he like. Magin the inner working because again like that hands five outta because we don't drink soda and like as much as much as we talk about how we don't hit the one thing i will give myself is like i do have a number that i've only hit three times in the past eight years but that's my number of you can't ever go above the you can like get wrapped up to it gets you. What is that how much you weigh yet. Like and i'm way way down from it now. Because i hit it during the pandemic saw the number on the scale and as soon as it is thirty. Two thirty six years specific. Mind some thirty five by this. You ever got was ten thirty six. And that's what. And then from from now on. If i ever start getting close to that which like really two hundred like well. I was two hundred. I was two hundred when i left to come out here. Eleven days ago and i have drank every single day. Since i've been out here. I have fucking gotten seven. Eleven on uber eight more than once a day my last night my goddamn xbox controllers was about to die which which meant that. I wouldn't be able to watch my net flicks stories in my hotel room to share with me. Had double beds goddamn wait but then you're fucking asked with decided to go down to florida with kosh and i knew my battery. Batteries is going to die but as fat and side to walk to the store. So i had over eight seven eleven. Bring me a case of batteries and a pint of bennett. Jerry's fucking period. So i related are. Y'all draw ratna draft now. I'll be on what's wrong with me. I'm just hitting today weirdly. Which i shouldn't made because i didn't drink yesterday for the right around the time that is right around the time. I did an impression of an italian man that kicked it and here we go Now my actually. I actually do i have. It's less than number more role in. Like when i start fat now to all my clothes. Yeah but may atrophy. I refuse to gilmore by. I refuse fundamentally refused to go somewhere and purchase new clothing. You've been doing that your whole offer art because i'm yeah right. Just yeah trash tower trash. Yeah he black to give may clubs around have closed has been that way but i refuse to go somewhere in purchase new clothes for the reason of closed off being too fat. Because that's always that's the sailing i have now are putting it back together though. Have a clo- co sideburns putting a shirt for one. If you lose a lot of way you'll go buy new clothes because that's different. I just recently uninvited back into my job. Different shirt which has for me. Yeah i Yeah oh yeah. Let's tell you that. I guess actually i hang on. We will but to sharp and trying to spend five five. And i didn't. I just have a question once. You guys tip the scales. Too fatty levels that are concerning. Do you have drastic lifestyle. Changes like i work out. I do this. i need this now. Does that look like granted. Like for me like i just changed my life back in october and have really kind of just maintained that same lifestyle like For the first time in my life when a doctor asked me. If i'm like how. Active i am. I can legitimately say vary and not be lying. Yona main like every single day. I bare minimum. Go for an hour and a half walk in the park but i also work out with lights three times a week. I jog a couple miles at least twice a week. the food is that like an i eat better but like the food's the one thing where like because i do all that i will let myself like fucking have too many cheeseburger. Sometimes but i still do all that other stuff and back in october at the pandemic was just like so rough on our bodies. I was like man. You know what. You've got to like lack obviously in october from depression anxiety and i just got to the poor. You're not putting yourself in position to win like so much of this isn't your fault but like you're not putting yourself in a position to win and you're making it so much worse on yourself and so i just changed my lifestyle and now my lifestyle kind of just is that except for i came out here for eleven days to work on some stuff and kinda just lead myself off the hook and was like just have fun with your friends and i'm gonna have to really get back to it when i get back so for me People down. i can always say this shock and people's eyes. Tell them this now. Understand why but i have for most ahmadullah. I've been pretty consistent about working out working out. There have been a problem for me and people buy while really. You cannot tell it all. And i'm like yeah. Well that's just because of how horribly i live. Otherwise because here's what happens for you said when you really start to tip the scales. You've got changed something i can take. Every single time has ever happened. What that means is i have for whatever reason stopped exercising for a few weeks or sump which is all it takes and i'm saying zion and if i do that like at the beginning of the pandemic when it first started i wasn't working out and i was just starting bake cookies and shit or whatever and buddy. I'm talking five six weeks. Eighty atkin but alone up to the fattest i'll ever be and so when when you're like when that happens i gotta get my shit. What does that look like. All it makes me is that i start like working out again but this past year. I've been way more hardcore about it than i was before since it goes beyond the beginning of the year. But i'm saying since january first of this year to right now. Just august tenth. I might have not exercised on any given day maybe seven times bike otherwise. It's every single day. I did it this morning. i did the whole time. Eight been days a week. Do what seven days a are nasal week. Yeah every day on the road. So far like i've been but i'm still i don't eat. I don't eat that crazy either. I just don't hit is during the i'm very much genetically predisposed towards paying a fat. Fuck yes one hundred percent. I fight tooth and nail to not be and that's the truth if i i would have to eat. We talk show before we move onto the next thing in a minute. But i like i would have to eat and whitefish and broccoli everyday and nothing else and fish and also workout whitefish also work now currently too but eight like a fucking volt suber row actor diet just to not be flabby or whatever last night and broccoli and rice mostly because what we had and rice. I bet that was brown. Don't you the corner and about nine thirty and became a living room with chocolate covered. Strawberries sweet thanks. She can find in our house to make and we ate. I would say a thousand calories of seats worth like one male of white fish broccoli and we were like now. Let's go back to the old me for sure to to that part is too hard. They're sticking to working out is actually not difficult for me and never has been. That part is almost impossible. Man rob rob who is one of my best friends and also my personal trainer. Hey gets super mad at me rob. Now these personal trainer he dropped out. Rob rob is my personal trainer. Robbie is my drunk stupid friend. Who tells me idiots. Sketch ideas rob. Rob is a personal trainer. He gets mad at me. 'cause like i tell him i might look man. Yeah obviously an in an ideal world. I would love to be like one eighty five and cut. I said but i'll be honest with you. 'cause we've been working out together. I felt a lot better. I'm starting at town. That is by the way gone after being out here. But i told him i'll be honest with you man like i'm kind of comfortable with being the two hundred pounder that i am right now. That works out with you because in doing that. I'm able to steal like you know. Have cheeseburgers from time to time and have beers. But because i'm doing this view it kind of cancels out a little bit. He's like. I just don't understand that i didn't. It's fine like whatever like if that's what's going to be. This is kind of like the lost album. living back home is kinda my ideal happiness. It's like i'm getting enough workout. Fill like i'm not a piece of shit and then like i work out. I get super hungry and then like the cheeseburger taste way better. Because like i worked out my goddamn back all day and shit and like i know that like at the end of that. It's kind of cancels out. But i'm like that. That was worth it. You know to me like i'm okay. Being that way is that. I know the older i get the more that will stop canceling out. And i'll have to double that workout to have the cheeseburger imerman anyway. You can find happiness do it. And it's kinda like with robbie you you mentioned him. Sending you dumb sketches. I've heard you talk about how you been rodney. Why don't you push that more insight. Because he's happy. Send a new ten ideas them and maybe one of them you used somewhere. That's you know what i mean. That's the young. Wants to look like a fucking personal trainer. You just want to kind of exactly dude. And i'm serious manual. It's crazy like robbie is as passionate about personal training and working out and eating good and building his body as we are at comedy. And i cannot wrap my brain around that and i guess he can't wrap his brain around my shit but like like again when i tell him like yeah. I'm fine with just kind of looking. Okay he's like but you could look amazing on my hip. But then i wouldn't be able to have this milkshake though you should say if you ordered entree meal from seven eleven via uber e fat book. Thanks for being on the show with. We almost transition on the speaker jedi guys. We have a new project new. I don't know what we call. It signed podcasts. Short-lived podcast limited series. Go we'll represents while represents bubba shot the podcast. We will be covering nine. These countries story songs We will be starting that next week. We're going to put out the pilot episode and we've decided to include to shar and the reason wa from my perspective. Everybody joined in two shows. A guy who was around in the country in alabama in the nineties but at the same time obviously comes from a different world than us. So it's not like we brought in our buddy from new york or india who has no way of knowing what any of this culture or songs about. It's like we brought in a guy who Understands the culture but didn't grow up with these songs like we did needed somebody. Who wasn't why brought him in because he's the indian outlaw right now. I'm half cherokee and choctaw. That's right what your wall. I'll say let's go out on matt. Thank you right here where you get all your railroad wail red wears. Thank you for listening to the whale. Rich show we love stick around longer but we got to go tune in next week. If you've got nothing to do. Thank god bless. You did not ask you. That was hilarious.